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Saturday, July 28th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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just_joe:

no its almost 5

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just_joe:

beer time

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cesman:

just_joe: log time

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just_joe:

cesman: log?

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fryfrog:

even on svn head, my *myth* channel scanning is only finding *one* channel, and none of them are HD :/

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fryfrog:

stupid QAM, why does my parent's QAM tv in the same city pick up a ton of stuff on QAM unencrypted

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majost:

Is anyone using a diseqc switch?

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majost:

with 0.20

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bac:

on ubuntu, when starting the backend does it get the mysql password from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt? i'm trying to figure out why the backend won't start and report "access denied" for mythtv@localhost.

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tjcarter:

haha, as reality shows go, this is funny.

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juski:

bac: usually goes for a local mysql.txt file IIRC

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Anduin:

bac: It should, can you connect with mysql -u mythtv etc

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Anduin:

?

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bac:

Anduin: yes

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juski:

did you put the correct password in mythtv-setup?

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bac:

juski: yes, i put the one in from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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Anduin:

bac: also good to check ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt if it exists, it will look many places and combine

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bac:

Anduin: thanks. my home directory has no .mythtv and neither does /root

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juski:

sure? a simple 'ls' won't show it

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bac:

juski: yep...'ls -a'

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juski:

ok :)

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bac:

juski: np

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juski:

have to point that stuff out sometimes ;)

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bac:

so, when the backend starts, does it read the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt file? i've looked at the init script but can't figure out where it's getting the password

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cesman:

perhaps /usr/share/mythtv

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Dagmar:

It looks at a number of places

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cesman:

or ~/.mythtv

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Anduin:

bac: This is a non /usr/local prefix install correct?

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bac:

Anduin: yes, it's in /usr/bin. installed from ubuntu packages

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bac:

cesman: /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt has the same password as from /etc/mythtv...and it is the one that works

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cesman:

bac: ok

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bac:

it's odd b/c mythfilldatabase connects to mysql with no problem, and i can do it by running 'mysql -u mythtv' directly, but mythtv-backend cannot connect... ;(

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cesman:

bac: who are you running the backend as?

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bac:

logged in as 'bac' (in the mythtv group) i'm running "sudo /etc/init.d/myth-backend start"

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bac:

whoo hoo!

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juski:

what I'd do is 'locate mysql.txt' :) and make sure all the login details are correct

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bac:

it was /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt that it was using!

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bac:

*that* is annoying. you'd think the one in /etc would be definitive

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juski:

nah mythtv doesn't look in there I don't think. local ones override any others anyway AFAIK

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juski:

it'd be cool if the ubuntu packagers changed their debconf script to write the same contents to both /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt :)

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bac:

juski: yeah, that would be nice. i'll file a bug against it

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bac:

thanks for the help, everybody

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cesman:

you're welcome

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just_joe:

cesman: the only thing funny (i see) in mythbackend.log is "MythSocket(95552c0:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket."

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just_joe:

everything seems to work xcept saving a schedule to record

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just_joe:

anybody know what that is from?

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just_joe:

so where are the scheduled recordings stored? in mysql? I did a mythdbcheck.sh with no errors. where else should I be looking?

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hads:

Everything is stored in mysql

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just_joe:

ok. i can't figure out how to debug this. i cant save a schedule and all my previosuly saved schedules disappeared. everything worked fine for a month the only bad thing to happen was running out of space to save recordings which i fixed

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juski:

you ran out of hdd space? if the partition where the db is stored runs out of room, mysql can get very corrupted

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just_joe:

i ran out of space on /storage where is the mysql db stored?

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just_joe:

the only errors in mythbackend.log start with a readStringList: Error, timeout."

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just_joe:

and then i get a bunch of writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. which sounds like i'm not talking to the mysql?

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just_joe:

i have the front and backend on the same box a mythdora install

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just_joe:

juski: would mythdbcheck.sh show that corruption?

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** hads doesn't know what mythdbcheck.sh does **

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just_joe:

hads: me either

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hads:

Um, you could read it.

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hads:

Traditionally mysql stores it's dta in /var/lib

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just_joe:

# Nightly check for mysql database consistancy #

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fryfrog:

i don't see any mythdbcheck.sh on my setup, but i *think* the optimize script does a repair

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fryfrog:

optimize_mythdb.pl, found in ./contrib/

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just_joe:

its in /usr/share/mythdora where is the optimize script?

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fryfrog:

oh, sorry i don't use mythdora

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fryfrog:

svn head on ubuntu 7.04

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alsoconfused:

just_joe: before you start trying to recover the database, make a backup copy of the whole db directory (probably /var/lib/mysql)

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just_joe:

tar -cvf mysqlbackup.tar mysql/ done

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alsoconfused:

:)

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alsoconfused:

myisamchk is the stock utility for checking mysql tables

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just_joe:

just run it?

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hads:

s/mysql/isam/

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alsoconfused:

man myisamchk

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fryfrog:

or uh, how about `mysqldump -u <user> -p --opt <dbname> | bzip2 > mythconverg.sql.bz2

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fryfrog:

that is the "real" ish way of backing up a db

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alsoconfused:

even a broken one?

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fryfrog:

oh, ahah duh

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fryfrog:

well, i dunno it might still work?

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fryfrog:

i wasn't paying attention, will mysql start?

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alsoconfused:

just_joe: you should be able to { cd /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg; myisamchk *MYI; }

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just_joe:

uhm how can i tell exactly there are two pids when i grep for mysql /bin/sh /usr/bin/mysqld_safe and /usr/libexec/mysqld

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alsoconfused:

mysqld_safe is just a wrapper that calls mysqld

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just_joe:

ok i didnt see anything wierd.

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alsoconfused:

what, isamchk?

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alsoconfused:

all tables ok?

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just_joe:

yes i did what alsoconfused said

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just_joe:

all tables looked ok

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alsoconfused:

did the number of data records seem sane?

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TUplink1:

checks the DB files

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just_joe:

*sigh* at least as far as my scrollback history was concerned... :(

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alsoconfused:

|less ?

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just_joe:

just run it again?

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alsoconfused:

myisamchk *MYI | less

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alsoconfused:

actually, you need myisamchk *MYI 2>&1 | less

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just_joe:

or myisamchk *MYI > myisamchk.log

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alsoconfused:

whatever floats your boat

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just_joe:

what does 2>&1 do?

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just_joe:

all of the records seem fine

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TUplink1:

i thought if you put 2>&1 after a command it made it not return anything and bun in the background

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hads:

google: bash redirection

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alsoconfused:

2 refers to the "standard error" output which is where myisamchk seems to write its results. anyway i think the next step is to connect to the db from the commandline

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just_joe:

ahh

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just_joe:

my output looked like

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just_joe:

Checking MyISAM file: videotypes.MYI

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just_joe:

Data records: 9 Deleted blocks: 0

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just_joe:

- check file-size

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just_joe:

- check record delete-chain

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just_joe:

- check key delete-chain

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just_joe:

- check index reference

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hads:

Don't paste here.

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just_joe:

- check data record references index: 1

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just_joe:

- check record links

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just_joe:

oh sorry

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hads:

Use a pastebin

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TUplink1:

anyone know anything about REMOVING COMERCIALS from the NUV files?

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just_joe:

i thought short stuff was ok, i wasn't going topaste a mile just one example :(

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just_joe:

ferk, now i have to hit the enter button on chatzilla...

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alsoconfused:

you had us worried

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just_joe:

my bad

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alsoconfused:

connect to the database, if you have the standard user/password it's: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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just_joe:

ok that works and im at a mysql prompt

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alsoconfused:

show tables;

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just_joe:

75 rows

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alsoconfused:

sounds about right

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alsoconfused:

next question, why can't mythtv connect.

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alsoconfused:

what did you change? :)

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TUplink1:

mine has 89 tables

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just_joe:

i don't know enough to change anything :D

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alsoconfused:

mine is 82, but it depends on the addons

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alsoconfused:

it's been a while since i've had to mess with this, but i'd look at ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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TUplink1:

im doing mythcommflag --gencutlist and keep getting No program data exists for channel at

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just_joe:

hmm

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alsoconfused:

just_joe: do you know which unix user myth runs as on your machine?

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just_joe:

mythtv

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just_joe:

i think

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alsoconfused:

this is mythdora?

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just_joe:

yes

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just_joe:

mythtv 3010 1 0 Jul20 ? 00:02:14 mythfrontend

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alsoconfused:

ls /home/mythtv/.mythtv

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just_joe:

ok

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just_joe:

err ok that exists rather

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alsoconfused:

cat /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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just_joe:

i have the default password

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alsoconfused:

you should see DBHostName=localhost DBUserName=mythtv DBPassword=mythtv DBName=mythconverg and probably DBType=QMYSQL3

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just_joe:

yes exactly

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alsoconfused:

so how did we arrive at the conclusion that it was a db problem?

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just_joe:

don't know that.

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alsoconfused:

doh!

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alsoconfused:

it's a problem with the backend starting?

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just_joe:

the problem is that (which i said earlier) all of my scheduled shows went away and I cant save new ones. so i am no longer recording anything

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just_joe:

backend is running to.

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just_joe:

(too)

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alsoconfused:

ahh, right

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alsoconfused:

i seem to remember a debugging flag for seeing the database interaction

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hads:

-v help

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alsoconfused:

-v database

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alsoconfused:

-v schedule might be handy too

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just_joe:

you lost me

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alsoconfused:

you'll need to stop the backend and start it manally from the commandline

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just_joe:

kill the current backend and run it with those added to the command line?

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alsoconfused:

right

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alsoconfused:

-v schedule,database

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hads:

,important

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alsoconfused:

-v whatthefuck

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just_joe:

hmm Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authen

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just_joe:

tication failed

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alsoconfused:

that was the backend?

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just_joe:

yea

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just_joe:

wait a sec

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alsoconfused:

that error is about X (gui) authentication

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TUplink1:

Just_joe..... backend and frontend on the same box?

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just_joe:

yeah it restarted (new pid) and the command line returned that

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just_joe:

yes

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TUplink1:

ok...

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alsoconfused:

strange

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TUplink1:

what happens if you run it as root

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just_joe:

that was as root

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TUplink1:

hum....

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TUplink1:

ok....

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just_joe:

run it is mythtv?

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alsoconfused:

yes

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alsoconfused:

kill the old one first

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just_joe:

wow much more output

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alsoconfused:

i was about to say you might want to increase the buffer on your terminal

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just_joe:

ok it connected to the db fine

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alsoconfused:

or, you can redirect the output to a file. either way, if you can't see the problem, put it up on a pastebin

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alsoconfused:

is the schedule there now?

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just_joe:

no it says i havent scheduled anything

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alsoconfused:

is the listing info there?

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just_joe:

2007-07–27 19:20:34.147 MSqlQuery: SELECT recorded.chanid, starttime,

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just_joe:

2007-07–27 19:20:45.246 MythSocket(95f44d0:10): readStringList: Error, timeout.

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just_joe:

is the first error i see

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just_joe:

(the query is a little longer thanthat)

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alsoconfused:

what's the "FROM" part of that query?

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just_joe:

FROM jobqueue j, recorded r WHERE j.chanid = r.chanid AND j.starttime = r.starttime ORDER BY j.inserttime, j.chanid, j.id;

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GreyFoxx:

This might be a little OT for this channel, but anyone know what is considered the best speech to text recognition software or libary these days ?

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TUplink1:

just_joe what is the prob? exatly

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TUplink1:

Festival

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alsoconfused:

his schedule disappeared

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just_joe:

yes what he said

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alsoconfused:

just_joe: try running that exact query from the mysql prompt

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TUplink1:

um...... schedule.... but not the program data

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GreyFoxx:

TUplink1: Cool. Have you used it ?

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just_joe:

tup: yes

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just_joe:

do i have to kill the backend?

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TUplink1:

yea.... with my Voip server

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alsoconfused:

festival is text to speech

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TUplink1:

WAS A PAIN IN THE RUMP to setup

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alsoconfused:

or so i thought

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hads:

Yeah

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh, I was looking for something the other way, convert speech to text

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TUplink1:

oh... you said speach to text SORRY

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hads:

GreyFoxx: I don't know of anything unfortunately

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GreyFoxx:

something I can feed audio either from a MIC or a file and it try and convert it to text

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just_joe:

http://pastebin.com/m9a1f7e0

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GreyFoxx:

time to search I guess :)

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TUplink1:

only speach to text i know of is https://studio.tellme.com/ dont know how it works

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alsoconfused:

just_joe: does the mythsocket error happen only when you start the frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

Ahh sphinx that's what I was trying to remember

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just_joe:

uhh i can kill the frontend and retry?

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alsoconfused:

yeah

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just_joe:

that select command returned nthing

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TUplink1:

GreyFoxx:..... you can call 1800555tell and get an example of how it works

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TUplink1:

it uses XML i belive

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alsoconfused:

just_joe: look at line 107 of your pastebin: localhost.localdomain as a slave backend server

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TUplink1:

and you can host your file on their server i think

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just_joe:

how did that happen?

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GreyFoxx:

hahah there is even a perl module for this

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just_joe:

and how do i change it?

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alsoconfused:

just_joe: i think there's a setting in the gui for "this is the master backend"

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just_joe:

this is supposed to be a one box setup

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just_joe:

you men in mythtvsetup?

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alsoconfused:

that's what it thought. i think it's trying to run as a slave. not sure though.

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alsoconfused:

probably

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alsoconfused:

killall the backend and frontend processes before you run mythtvsetup

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cyrexion:

hey guys, where can I find the source for knoppmyth so I can build nvidia drivers into the kernel?

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just_joe:

i didnt see that option, but i set the backend to 127.0.0.1

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just_joe:

will that also do it?

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alsoconfused:

master server ip address?

[02:37:13]

TUplink1:

whats the benifit to having a slave backend.....

[02:37:18]

TUplink1:

more tuners

[02:37:20]

just_joe:

it was my ip address now it is 127.0.0.1

[02:37:30]

TUplink1:

all accessable to 1 frontend

[02:37:35]

alsoconfused:

did your ip address change?

[02:37:36]

TUplink1:

?

[02:37:46]

just_joe:

no 127 is the loopback

[02:38:04]

just_joe:

i dont see where to say I am a master not slave backend

[02:38:07]

alsoconfused:

your box is still at 192.168.1.179

[02:38:09]

alsoconfused:

?

[02:38:36]

TUplink1:

Just_joe if you have no enabled adapters in windows 127.0.0.1 dosnt work..... but not sure how that applys to linux

[02:38:48]

just_joe:

the ethernet address is 192.168.1.179 the loopback is 127.0.0.1

[02:39:08]

TUplink1:

yea i guess lo0 would always be enabled tho

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just_joe:

but that doesnt make me the backend it just tells me to talk to that address as the backend

[02:39:45]

alsoconfused:

not sure, but if the two ip addresses in mythtvsetup don't match, it might infer that it's a slave

[02:40:04]

alsoconfused:

give it a whirl with both set to 127.0.0.1. that's what i have

[02:40:45]

just_joe:

right now the localhost and master server ip address as the loopback

[02:41:31]

alsoconfused:

restart the backend with the same -v options. see if it still says anything about Connecting to master server:

[02:41:42]

majost:

is anyone using a DiSEqC switch?

[02:42:29]

just_joe:

cannot open logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log what just changed?

[02:42:57]

TUplink1:

chmod 666 var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[02:42:58]

alsoconfused:

you ran it as root one time, so maybe the permissions on that file got whacked

[02:43:02]

just_joe:

oh when i ran it as root did it change that file ownershuip to root?

[02:44:15]

alsoconfused:

could be

[02:44:50]

just_joe:

now it isnt starting

[02:44:54]

just_joe:

as mythtv

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alsoconfused:

ls -ld /var/log/mythtv ; ls -l /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[02:46:01]

just_joe:

they both exist

[02:46:09]

alsoconfused:

but who owns them?

[02:46:21]

TUplink1:

ls -al var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[02:46:25]

just_joe:

1st is mythtv second is root

[02:46:41]

alsoconfused:

as root, chown mythtv /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[02:46:52]

majost:

you know.. you could just rename the log and have the app make a new one

[02:46:56]

majost:

heh

[02:46:59]

majost:

its a hack though

[02:47:14]

TUplink1:

actuly do this chown mythtv:mythtv /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[02:47:21]

TUplink1:

set owner and group

[02:47:51]

just_joe:

yeah i just did that still no

[02:48:03]

alsoconfused:

same error?

[02:48:18]

just_joe:

zero output and process dies

[02:48:22]

majost:

just move the log and see what happens

[02:48:28]

just_joe:

both?

[02:48:43]

majost:

if it still dies... make sure you disk isn't full

[02:48:46]

alsoconfused:

mv /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log.save

[02:49:07]

just_joe:

(got disk space)

[02:49:26]

just_joe:

still dies

[02:49:43]

alsoconfused:

try with -v all

[02:49:46]

majost:

is mysql running?

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alsoconfused:

it was

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just_joe:

yes it is still running and -v all didnt change anything

[02:50:53]

just_joe:

i could run it as root?

[02:50:56]

TUplink1:

did it put anything in the logfile?

[02:51:33]

just_joe:

ahh yes

[02:51:37]

just_joe:

was just looking

[02:51:44]

alsoconfused:

just_joe: i would not run it as root

[02:52:07]

just_joe:

no thats not it

[02:52:18]

just_joe:

my fingers fumbled

[02:52:26]

Tanthrix:

just_joe: Meh, I think the whole "fear of root" thing is silly. I've run all my myth stuff as root for years with no problem.

[02:52:32]

just_joe:

"/var/run/mythbackend.pid: Permission denied"

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majost:

heh

[02:53:00]

alsoconfused:

okay, as root rm /var/run/mythbackend.pid

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just_joe:

doesnt exist

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alsoconfused:

Tanthrix: famous last words

[02:53:32]

just_joe:

do i have to touch it and chown to mythv?

[02:53:52]

Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: Perhaps, but I find that it's not too difficult to avoid typing "rm -rf /" oddly enough

[02:54:27]

alsoconfused:

just_joe: you probably do

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Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: I think the fear is irrational, and exists mainly to give linux users something to bitch at newbies about while making themselves feel like they are avoiding some great peril ;)

[02:54:33]

just_joe:

i think rm -rf .* will alsohork you?

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hads:

It's about minimising risk.

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alsoconfused:

Tanthrix: you're just clueless, but hey it's your machine

[02:55:32]

just_joe:

ok its running

[02:55:45]

majost:

what about my great peril?!

[02:56:03]

alsoconfused:

Tanthrix: sorry, i shoudln't be so harsh

[02:56:19]

just_joe:

SWEET! my schedule is back

[02:56:40]

TUplink1:

what did you do

[02:56:43]

Tanthrix:

alsoconfused: No, you really shouldn't. I understand the reasons behind user permissions as they are, and for many things it's a good idea (ie, multiuser systems, systems directly on the internet, etc..)

[02:57:01]

just_joe:

i didnt do anything except what we discussed

[02:57:07]

TUplink1:

hehe

[02:57:12]

majost:

myth is inherietly insecure.

[02:57:12]

alsoconfused:

just out of curiosity, do an ifconfig -a and see if your box got a new ip address without your noticing

[02:57:13]

just_joe:

so what happened?

[02:57:14]

TUplink1:

it was the IP address thing

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Hoey:

hello

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just_joe:

no same ips

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majost:

thats my two cents anyway

[02:57:46]

TUplink1:

in myth setup?

[02:57:50]

Tanthrix:

But people speak like if you run as root on a system at the bottom of a locked cellar with a sign out front that says "Beware of the leapord" your computer will explode into a firery ball of death

[02:58:07]

Tanthrix:

Even if you are reasonbly experieced, careful, and the machine is not on the internet

[02:58:08]

alsoconfused:

i don't remember mentioning any leopards

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hads:

This conversation doesn't belong here.

[02:58:14]

just_joe:

we changed in mythsetup then both to be loopback but my ether is still the same

[02:58:16]

Hoey:

using a digital cable box via comcast, is it possible to use 2 tv capture cards record 2 separate channels? or because i'm using a cable box i'm limited to one channel no matter what?

[02:58:19]

alsoconfused:

right

[02:58:35]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: Yes, but you need one box for each channel.

[02:58:54]

just_joe:

i have no idea how that happend, that sucks i lost a few weeks of house and scrubs :(

[02:58:54]

majost:

Hoey: Your STB capabilties are unchanged

[02:59:21]

majost:

If your STB has dual tuners, it *may* be possibe

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Tanthrix:

But highly unlikely.

[02:59:31]

majost:

s/possibe/possible

[02:59:34]

majost:

yeah

[02:59:48]

Hoey:

it's an older model stb, i dont think it has dual tuners

[03:00:17]

Hoey:

it's a motorola dct2224/1661/acdeg

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majost:

Tanthrix: are you using ny DVB cards?

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just_joe:

i really appreciate the help thanks everyone

[03:00:51]

Hoey:

how do i tell if it's dual tuner or not? if there are 2 coax that say "cabin in" ?

[03:00:58]

just_joe:

and my tuner is recording already

[03:00:59]

Tanthrix:

majost: My setup is firewire, QAM, and an PVR-150

[03:01:03]

alsoconfused:

you're welcome joe

[03:01:14]

majost:

ah

[03:01:42]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: I've never heard of anyone getting dual tuners to work on a cable box with firewire out, so I'd forget it. And if you're doing the analog route, it's flat out impossible.

[03:01:45]

just_joe:

so what is the easiest way to archive video off of mythtv, nfs to another location or just keep adding disks?

[03:02:02]

majost:

I feel as if I may be one of very people trying to get DiSEqC switches working

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just_joe:

i didnt mean archive to tape/dvd i meant just long term online storage

[03:02:18]

majost:

And I'm not getting very far. heh

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Hoey:

the cable box doesn't have firewire out

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majost:

either way you face a challenge just_joe

[03:03:25]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: Then you can only do one channel via the analog option.

[03:03:46]

alsoconfused:

nuvexport is nice once you get the hang of it. It will put meaningful names on the files and snip out the commercials if they have been flagged. no transcoding needed for mpeg2->mpeg2

[03:03:54]

majost:

adding disks you will need to either have the current trunk version of mythtv to support multiple targets

[03:03:55]

majost:

or

[03:03:57]

just_joe:

well since its lvm i can just keep adding pairs of drives, raid them and then add them in

[03:03:59]

majost:

use LVM

[03:04:08]

majost:

which I do, and its a pain

[03:04:29]

just_joe:

i already added a disk to it once, it wasnt to bad

[03:04:32]

majost:

and if you export to another system.. you need to export so the db doesn't get messed up

[03:04:55]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: I made a guide to this last night, check it out: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Digital_Cable

[03:04:56]

just_joe:

there isnt a function to move from one server to another like froma master to a slave?

[03:05:19]

majost:

don't know.. never tried that

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Hoey:

true or false, using an ir blaster, i can use a pvr 150 to record digital cable channels above 125?

[03:05:31]

Hoey:

i found this on another site, so i'm not sure if it's legit..

[03:05:32]

just_joe:

hmm.

[03:05:32]

Hoey:

http://www.diy-pvr-dvr-htpc.com/index.php/125 . . . igital_Cable

[03:05:56]

majost:

Hoey: provided you have a stb

[03:05:58]

majost:

yes

[03:06:12]

Hoey:

yes got an stb

[03:06:23]

Hoey:

tanthrix thanks im checking that out now

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just_joe:

and there is only one database so i can't have say multiple "libraries" of stuff each with its own db?

[03:07:06]

alsoconfused:

just_joe: if you're clever, you can do it

[03:07:19]

just_joe:

<-- only clever enough to ask for it :(

[03:07:20]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: Let me know if it explains things well, or if you feel some parts need clarification

[03:07:30]

Hoey:

k

[03:07:46]

Hoey:

looks like the question i just asked might be covered in your option #3

[03:07:56]

just_joe:

oh you mean you can setup multiple databases liek i said? not "joe go write that code"

[03:11:20]

just_joe:

ok i have another question.

[03:11:32]

just_joe:

i cant seem to vnc into my myth box

[03:11:52]

Tanthrix:

just_joe: Missing the icons?

[03:12:06]

just_joe:

tan: eh?

[03:12:18]

Tanthrix:

When you VNC in, is that your problem?

[03:12:30]

just_joe:

no it refuses the connection

[03:12:39]

Tanthrix:

Oh, ok. Not a myth issue then

[03:12:57]

Hoey:

tanthrix so far so good, makes good sense so far

[03:13:21]

Hoey:

are you sure that seattle has unencrypted qam? i.e. comcast in seattle?

[03:14:45]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: They don't have unencrypted QAM, they have non-5C-ed channels (so firewire works)

[03:14:47]

Tanthrix:

Did I say that wrong in there?

[03:16:02]

majost:

I think I may have found a bug

[03:16:04]

majost:

huh

[03:16:12]

majost:

checking it now

[03:17:11]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: I did say it right, but I updated it to make it more clear. Refresh the page

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just_joe:

anybody good at vnc?

[03:19:25]

Hoey:

so 5C is different than QAM?

[03:19:32]

just_joe:

i want to login to 5900 my normal desktop display

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Tanthrix:

Hoey: Aye.

[03:20:11]

Hoey:

but both are types of encrytion?

[03:20:55]

just_joe:

which is display 0

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Tanthrix:

Hoey: Aye, though I'm not completely sure about the details. But essentially, you can have encrypted QAM channels that are not recievable without a set top box but work fine over firewire

[03:21:34]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: I think the box might do the 5C encryption, it's highly unlikely channels are encrypted twice. Or the 5C thing might just be a flag that the box follows, who knows.

[03:21:57]

Tanthrix:

End result is the same: they're different, with QAM in the clear being rare, and firewire not so much

[03:22:04]

just_joe:

woops gotta jet will look at this later thanks all!

[03:22:49]

Hoey:

hm

[03:23:23]

Hoey:

tanthrix, after we talked yesterday, i did some more research on cards..

[03:23:43]

Hoey:

DVB and ATSC and DVB-C etc... the 2 cards you mentioned on your new guide, those would qualify?

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Tanthrix:

Quality for what exactly?

[03:24:00]

Hoey:

and it wasn't clear to me if hauppauage have any cards to qualify for them

[03:24:07]

Tanthrix:

Er, qualify

[03:24:07]

Hoey:

qualify, not quality

[03:24:13]

Hoey:

qualify for able to do digital cable

[03:24:23]

Tanthrix:

You're in the US, no?

[03:24:37]

Hoey:

yes

[03:24:48]

Hoey:

coincidentally, seattle area, like in your guide :P

[03:25:05]

Tanthrix:

If I understand things correctly, DVB-* are all stuff for Europe and elsewhere, so you should ignore them

[03:25:12]

Hoey:

ah

[03:25:22]

Hoey:

and i should ignore ATSC too?

[03:25:34]

Tanthrix:

But read my guide carefully – the A180 is a good bet for doing QAM, but also as the guide says, unencrypted QAM channels are very rare, so that method would probably only get you the FTA channels

[03:25:46]

hads:

DVB = world – USA

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Tanthrix:

ATSC is for terrestial antennas

[03:25:54]

Tanthrix:

hads: Nice way of putting it ;)

[03:26:01]

hads:

:)

[03:26:23]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: ATSC cards are used to recieve over the air digital (and often HD) channels from an antenna

[03:27:01]

Hoey:

ah

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Hoey:

k, so ignore both dvb-x and atsc cards

[03:27:37]

Tanthrix:

Aye. Though, usually cards that do QAM also do ATSC, if not always

[03:28:17]

Hoey:

what about the pcHDTV brand?

[03:28:22]

Hoey:

i wonder if that should be added to your guide

[03:28:34]

Hoey:

though i discovered that on linuxtv.org..

[03:28:35]

Tanthrix:

But, the bottom line, is that the QAM tuner card method is unlikely to work for you. You're likely stuck between doing firewire (which you'll need to pay extra for since you don't have HD) or the analog option

[03:28:53]

Hoey:

yeah im leanin towards the analog..

[03:29:06]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: My guide is not meant to be all encompassing. It just says "a QAM card such as the A180 or Kworld..." Both of which are well supported and the cheapest way to do QAM

[03:30:04]

Hoey:

well reading the wiki on the a180, sounds like i can't use that for my purposes

[03:30:34]

Tanthrix:

Hoey: As my guide says, it is a QAM card, and it will only work if your channels are provided in the clear without encryption.

[03:30:47]

Tanthrix:

If they were, it would work great for your purpose. And mine for that matter.

[03:31:16]

majost:

I figured out the problem with the DiSEqC switches

[03:31:29]

majost:

though it may actually be a undocumented feature

[03:31:41]

majost:

It seems that you cannot use the same source for more than one port

[03:31:51]

Tanthrix:

majost: Make a wiki page about it if it's useful, or update an existing one. Do your part! ;)

[03:32:07]

majost:

I had to make a uniqe source for each port

[03:32:14]

majost:

Allready working on it

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majost:

=)

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, good.

[03:32:25]

majost:

Its still kinda a bug

[03:32:34]

majost:

but I also understand why it works the way it does

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Hoey:

looks like the kworld one might work well

[03:33:06]

majost:

Only took me 11 hours to figure out

[03:33:13]

majost:

heh

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Hoey:

for my needs... multiple places are saying it will do analog

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Tanthrix:

Hoey: Both the A180/Hworld does have an analog tuner onboard in addition to the QAM one, but it's not the kind you want to have

[03:33:40]

Tanthrix:

In fact, I need to update the wiki pages on that

[03:33:57]

Tanthrix:

It's the old frame grabber type without an encoder – absolutely to be avoided – PVR cards are the only way to go for analog

[03:34:55]

Hoey:

you're talking about hardware encoding right?

[03:35:20]

Hoey:

the machine im planning to put it in is a p4 2.8 ghz with 1gb ram

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Tanthrix:

Aye.

[03:35:42]

Tanthrix:

You do not want to use a frame grabber card, period.

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Hoey:

hm k

[03:36:39]

Hoey:

too cpu intensive even for 2.8 ghz?

[03:36:43]

Hoey:

or other reasons

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Tanthrix:

Hoey: It does require a fair bit of overhead, has less quality then PVR cards, can have A/V sync issues, etc..

[03:38:20]

Tanthrix:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . enkiller.jpg

[03:38:33]

Tanthrix:

Not Worth It.

[03:39:57]

Hoey:

haha

[03:40:56]

Hoey:

i found this on linuxtv...

[03:40:58]

Hoey:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . e_Decoder%3F

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Tanthrix:

That's a different matter entirely – it talks about decoders, not encoders

[03:42:09]

Hoey:

o

[03:42:48]

Tanthrix:

Hardware mpeg2 decoders are not really useful, especially on a system as powerful as yours

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Hoey:

gotta go, thanks again for the help tanthrix

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alpaca:

I have a question concerning an installation setup for my mythbox

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alpaca:

I've searched through the wiki, etc but haven't found any solutions though I've easily spent 4–5 hours on this specific issue.

[04:02:01]

alpaca:

I have Ubuntu Fiesty and am using this guide : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . nd_Desktop_O

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alpaca:

however when I attempt to run MythTV Backend Setup (under System --> Administration) a dialog box asks if I would like to close all running mythbackend instances

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alpaca:

I select "Yes" then it immediately asks if I would like to run mythfilldatabase. It never allows me to access the MythTV Backend Setup

[04:08:31]

alpaca:

If I select cancel, nothing loads therefore if I attempt running MythTV Backend Setup subsequent times, the same dialog boxes appear

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alpaca:

I have uninstalled all MythTV components and reinstalled without success. Since I have a current MySQL server I use sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database to enter my info for the mysql db

[04:10:42]

alpaca:

still nothing allows me to proceed leaving me stuck without being able to configure my box

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Anduin:

alpaca: Only a few will know what Ubuntu has done, mythtv-setup, mythbackend, mythfrontend, etc those are common.

[04:13:00]

alpaca:

Anduin: any ideas for where I should turn for advice/help?

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alpaca:

I'm tearing my hair out here – all I want to do is use my pvr-350

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Tanthrix:

alpaca: I don't have any experience with Ubuntu, but it sounds like your problems are that the wizards are obfuscating your problems

[04:25:29]

Tanthrix:

alpaca: Forget all the ubuntu menus and such, just open a terminal and run "mythtv-setup"

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alpaca:

Alright I will try that

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alpaca:

I'd be just as happy to install with commandline to be honest

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Tanthrix:

Sometimes the prebuild packages + gui wizards work, but sometimes they fail, and when they do, it can be difficult to discern the problem since you have no idea what they've done

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Tanthrix:

To that end, if you can't make this work using the command line "mythtv-setup for the setup up, mythbackend for the backend, mythfrontend for the frontend) I'd recommend uninstalling all of it then using the myth howto guide for installing from source

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alpaca:

Everything I've ever installed w/linux has been commandline and I figured "hey a gui wizard hurrah this means I can relax and install this"

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alpaca:

wrong...

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Tanthrix:

hehe

[04:29:43]

Tanthrix:

MythTV is a very complex suite of programs, so I'm of the opinion it is worth it to do everything manually to get a good understanding of the whole suite

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alpaca:

i have no clue where everything is stored

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alpaca:

it's frustrating ha

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Tanthrix:

Indeed.

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alpaca:

ok i will try that – good advice thanks

[04:30:45]

Tanthrix:

No prob.

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alpaca:

just to be sure http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall is the guide that is up to date for manual install?

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, I'm not sure if I'd call it up to date...but it's adequate

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Tanthrix:

Also, I'd recommend that you install from svn-fixes instead of the current release

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alpaca:

ok, it should work sufficiently well to get me running?

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alpaca:

any other suggestions?

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Tanthrix:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ second box on that page

[04:34:29]

Tanthrix:

Basically it's the current release with fixes. If you want you can do trunk, but that's not as stable (though, it's usually pretty close, and a lot of us run it routinely)

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Tanthrix:

alpaca: Make sure your card works outside of myth before trying to set it up in myth. (IE, get it to a point where it works with mplayer)

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Tanthrix:

alpaca: And also, during the configure script, make sure you're not missing anything that you'll need. (Such as lirc etc..)

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alpaca:

hmm is there a guide for ensuring the card works outside myth

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alpaca:

or a standard method

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Tanthrix:

I'm sure you can find something on the wiki (wiki.mythtv.org) or google

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alpaca:

alright thats great – good deal

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Paladine:

anyone ever tried to compile mythfrontend for ARMV4T architecture?

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phocus_:

does the sip phone actually work?

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phocus_:

!sip

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meteor-1500:

hi all – got a problem with my install, was working fine, then after a monitor res change the menu text doesn't appear, changed it back and it regenerated the themecache, but still the same, no text

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meteor-1500:

any suggestions

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meteor-1500:

?

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Dibblah:

meteor-1500: Which video card?

[09:12:31]

meteor-1500:

Dibblah: nvidia

[09:13:02]

Dibblah:

Using the NV or nvidia driver?

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meteor-1500:

using the nvidia proprietary driver

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Dibblah:

Odd.

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meteor-1500:

yeah

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Dibblah:

Pastebin your frontend log.

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Dibblah:

(-v all)

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meteor-1500:

http://pastebin.com/m5fa16681 <- there are some x errors in there i think may be significant

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Dibblah:

Have you tried a reboot? :)

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meteor-1500:

yeah many a time lol

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meteor-1500:

and x restarts etc

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troll:

Salty licorice is often just licorice with more sodium

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Dibblah:

meteor-1500: A frontend log, just from startup to menu, with -v all, please.

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Paladine:

anyone ever tried to compile mythfrontend for ARMV4T architecture?

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meteor-1500:

hrrm does the pastebin text box have a limit?

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troll:

32768

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meteor-1500:

lol the log is too big for pastebin

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meteor-1500:

Dibblah: http://pastebin.ca/636885

[09:37:59]

gbee:

anyone know of a cheaper version of the 'SkyControl' (http://www.heenan.me.uk/control-sky-from-pc/)? I'm looking for a usb based option and whilst I appreciate the time and work put into that guy's offering I just can't justify spending £45 on it

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Paladine:

I can highly recommend heenan's

[09:40:57]

Paladine:

it is a fantastic piece of kit

[09:41:12]

Paladine:

rock solid and he told me if it ever breaks, send it back and he will repair it for free

[09:41:25]

Paladine:

that was a verbal lifetime warranty

[09:41:48]

Paladine:

45 quid might seem like a lot, but in my opinion it is money very well spent

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Paladine:

he is very approachable too if you need help setting it up

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Paladine:

plus 45 quid is not expensive when you consider he makes every single one by hand

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gbee:

well maybe I need a tip jar like juski

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Paladine:

seriously, it was the best purchasing decision I made for my mythtv setup

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gbee:

Paladine: yeah, as I said I appreciate the work he puts into it and if I were in the same position I'd probably charge the same

[09:44:29]

Paladine:

save up for a couple of weeks, it isn't much when you get down to it

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Paladine:

mine has been connected for about 8 months or so now

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gbee:

heh, I still like the tip jar idea, "Like my code? Buy me a SkyControl!" :p

[09:48:10]

Paladine:

do you play a musical instrument?

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Paladine:

go busk for 2 days, you should make enough to buy it :)

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gbee:

haven't played an instrument in 20 years

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juski:

morning

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gbee:

It's not the lack of money, I could spend the £45 right now, but that little nagging voice in the back of my mind says that it's not good value

[10:02:15]

gbee:

if it were around £25–30 I'd probably snap one up and at £15 I'd buy three ;)

[10:04:27]

juski:

I've seen a DIY version of it somewhere

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hads:

Does it do anything much better than an IR blaster?

[10:05:22]

juski:

more reliable, I suppose

[10:06:10]

hads:

I 'spose it could be for some boxes. I've setup three Sky boxes with IR blasters and AFAIK they've never missed a channel change.

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juski:

think it might be faster too

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juski:

it's only an oscillator gated on & off with a data bit

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juski:

here was me thinking there was a microcontroller inside doing clever stuff – there's nothing of the sort ;)

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gbee:

hads: ir blaster requires a free serial port

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gbee:

the box I want to use it only doesn't have a free port

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juski:

I've been toying with the idea of starting to mess with PIC chips. it'd be nice to be able to switch my frontend on & off with the remote

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hobophobe:

I notice the newest (2.6.22) kernel has ivtv included with it. How do I tell if the module in use is from the kernel or if it's my old version?

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juski:

hobophobe: modules for older kernels probably won't work

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hads:

gbee: Ah yes, that could do it. I just setup my mates box and used the blaster that came with the MS MCE remote. It works well and is USB.

[10:19:31]

hads:

hobophobe: modinfo should tell you the version

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hobophobe:

Awesome, thanks... I nearly filed a bugreport against my distro's latest ivtv until I realized it was part of the kernel.. just wanted to make sure before I removed the old module :o)

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juski:

arggh FFS users! STOP posting theme 'bug reports' on the mailing lists!!!!!!!!

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hads:

It's not really a major drama

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juski:

it could mean I miss them – I don't check the archives as often as I check my email

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juski:

huh? the description text starts at 4, is 880 long. the video preview boundary is at 900 – yet text is being clipped.

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juski:

ahh. the textarea was only 800 long

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juski:

I really hate themes sometimes

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gbee:

hads: good point about the MS IR blaster, I'd forgotten about that (even though it has been pointed out to me before in here *sigh*)

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gbee:

they seem to go for £20 inc. postage, which is pretty damn reasonable considering it includes the remote (even though I don't need or want the remote)

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Paladine:

yeah but IR blasters are not as reliable as the SkyControl hardware

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Paladine:

Iwas using an IR blaster before I got it

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gbee:

Paladine: maybe not, but at half the price I'm willing to risk it, at least until someone buys me a SkyControl ;)

[11:00:04]

gbee:

plus the ir blaster will work with the NTL box as well (MCE thingy includes two IR blasters)

[11:01:03]

gbee:

and it's now too late to change my mind, because I've just bought it

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juski:

heheheh

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gbee:

can't hurt to have all the different hardware anyway, means I'm in a position to fix bugs or improve it's integration with mythtv

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gbee:

if anyone wants mythtv to integrate better with a HD LCD tv then please send one to my home address ;)

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Paladine:

juski, you know if anyone has built mythfrontend for ARM architecture before?

[11:07:18]

Paladine:

am thinking of building it for my HP iPAQ rx3115

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subx:

the flooding is getting worse and worse in UK..

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subx:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_u . . . 03/img/1.jpg

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RaYmAn-Bx:

subx: er..is that serious?

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Paladine:

lol

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Paladine:

of courseit isn't lol, would take a major international ecological incident for that to be real

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I kindof figured that, but still =P

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Paladine:

thats about an 80–100 foot rise in water levels

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subx:

it makes u think its real because its coming from the bbc news website

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RaYmAn-Bx:

indeed

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RaYmAn-Bx:

on the other hand, bbc has a lot of weird stuff on their site so

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subx:

aye

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Paladine:

if london was flooded that badly, you would know about it, because no matter where you are in the world, whatever caused it would be causing major problems for you too

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Paladine:

would take an asteroid collision or something similar for that

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RaYmAn-Bx:

=P

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subx:

or a tsunami

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Paladine:

even a tsunami wouldn't be enough to do that

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subx:

it could pump a lot of extra water into the thames then flood the gates

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Paladine:

yes it could, but 80–100 foot? nope

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subx:

not that much no

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Paladine:

for a tsunami to do that it would have to be so big that the buildings would have collapsed from breaking the wave

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subx:

hehe

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juski:

Paladine: no idea re the arm chip stuff

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juski:

ymmv :D

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Paladine:

could be interesting

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Paladine:

my iPAQ has hardware mpeg3 and mpeg4

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juski:

it builds for ppc alright I think

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Paladine:

so itmight be nice :)

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Paladine:

Ijust installed linux on it the other day it is running as a web server at the moment

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gbee:

Paladine: linux drivers for that?

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Paladine:

gbee I think so, I haven't checked, but I know people are running x11 on arm devices and doing video playback

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Paladine:

soIpresume the drivers are there

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Paladine:

I had x11 running on it just theother day

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juski:

subx: anyway, in manchester the ground is dry as a bone, so it's not all the UK. silly southerners building on flood plains

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gbee:

I struggle to have any sympathy for people who bought homes on flood plains, either knowingly or out of ignorance

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juski:

maybe people don't read their own surveys

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gbee:

some of them might have a case against their solicitors or surveyors if they they weren't told, but then anyone can look at an OS map and see that it's a flood plain

[12:01:10]

Paladine:

well it won't be an issue soon

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juski:

when the aliens land? I totally agree

[12:01:42]

Paladine:

the government are bringing in legislation which will force construction companies to cover the insurance premiums for any property the build on a flood plane for 20 years

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juski:

way to bring down house prices. pfft

[12:02:25]

Paladine:

so either they will stop building on flood planes, or the people who buy the properties will be covered by insurance paid by the construction company

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gbee:

that's just a joke, imho they shouldn't be permitted to build on the flood plains to start with

[12:02:47]

Paladine:

well the point is, most of them won't

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Paladine:

the cost of insuring a property for 20 years build on a flood plane is not cheap

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Paladine:

so they will choose not to build on flood planes

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gbee:

they will, in the wake of that legislation the price of land on flood plains will crash and in turn some developers will then buy it up cheap knowing that they can afford the additional cost of the insurance

[12:04:15]

gbee:

or at least they will gamble on it being profitable

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Paladine:

it is too big a risk

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juski:

and the govt will reap it all ways – tax on the insurance, stamp duty etc

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Paladine:

land on flood plains is already cheap

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Paladine:

andit only takes one year of flooding to increase the premiums significantly

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Paladine:

imagine if they flood every 3 years

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Paladine:

the gamble is not worth it for the construction companies

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juski:

btw gbee I've asked that UK guy who claims he got the new weather plugin going, to spill the beans

[12:05:46]

gbee:

juski: cool

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Paladine:

brb

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gbee:

juski: thinking I might push for a 0.20.2 release this weekend, only problem is that it requires Chutt is on-board

[12:07:01]

gbee:

I'm still seeing too many people using 0.20 and I'm hoping a 0.20.2 release might change that

[12:13:13]

juski:

wooo!

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juski:

btw anybody know a reason why mythvideo's gallery view could be painstakingly slow to crawl through?

[12:14:49]

juski:

I have only 263 videos, not all of them have posters. ones without posters are very quick to access. ones with posters.. Zzzzz

[12:15:53]

juski:

the poster storage dir is mounted 'locally' and the cache size setting for the poster images doesn't seem to have much effect

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gbee:

juski: no idea

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gbee:

ask Anduin

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juski:

it's as fast as heck on the backend

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juski:

wonder if there's anything I could tweak in terms of nfs settings

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juski:

to all intents & purposes all the files ARE local, so it's hardly as if it's having to stream anything – not that I even think mythvideo can

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juski:

jees! mythfrontend is using 15% CPU playing back an mp3 in mythmusic

[12:24:36]

juski:

with the album art visualiser!

[12:26:09]

juski:

a 1ghz cpu being taxed *that* much playing an mp3? can't be

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juski:

mpeg2 playback even with xvmc enabled is hogging more than 50%

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juski:

er.. 75%

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juski:

hmm there's been a new release of minimyth this month. I should try the latest

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pat_:

juski, I've found that posters I've scanned in myself are slower than the ones downloaded automatically by the imdb scripts

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pat_:

mostly because of the size of the files I assumed

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pat_:

anyway, bed

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juski:

one day there'll be a new release of minimyth & there won't be any pointless config file changes

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juski:

hrm. playing the same recording, this new version is using much less CPU

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juski:

arghh yeah so cpu usage is less but can it play Eastenders without gaps? can it feckers like

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directhex:

when the workin' day is done ooooh girls just wanna have fu-uuuun, ooh girls just wanna have fun!

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juski:

you really belong in Whitley Bay for reciting that

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juski:

oo I do like that it's so easy to override db settings now

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juski:

extra audio buffers don't help. realtime priority threads don't help...

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juski:

using video as timebase doesn't help..

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chairman:

I'm setting up a harmony remote, and I'm wondering what remote I can set up so that I have so many button as possible to configure. I have a hauppauge dvb-t with a reciver. Or can the reciver just recognize the buttons on the standard hauppauge remote.

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juski:

http://www.pastebin.ca/637032 is my playback log. only happens on BBC recordings :-\

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juski:

chairman: you might be able to use all kinds of extra buttons but YMMV – depends completely on how the receiver works

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chairman:

juski: I'm jusing the standard hauppauge reciver

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juski:

it depends how the receiver works – it might not decode extra buttons not present on the original remote

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juski:

see if you can learn another remote using irrecord. if so, you can program your Harmony to use more buttons & then learn them with irrecord

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chairman:

juski: the big question is what remote I should emulate on the harmony

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juski:

no idea

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juski:

I wouldn't have one of those remotes if you gave it to me

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chairman:

hehe

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chairman:

the problem is that I want to have another config in different menues.

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chairman:

to bad that it isn't possible to use prog = mythvideo and so on in the lircrc config

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juski:

grrr. cpu usage with this version is less than half what it was,but playback is gappy as hell

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juski:

cddd

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juski:

d

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juski:

d

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juski:

d

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juski:

d

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juski:

oops

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just_joe:

oops

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just_joe:

?

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just_joe_:

hmm

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just_joe_:

i have two clients withthe same nick on the same channel from different machines, that doesnt seem right

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just_joe_1:

there

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just_joe:

morning all

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juski:

woo. t

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juski:

w

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juski:

tweaking some settings is helping in some small way

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juski:

where the hell are all these audio buffer underruns coming from anwya

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juski:

anyway?

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juski:

well I give up with that.

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alpaca:

christ installing this has been a nightmare for me

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juski:

nightmare? you don't know the meaning of the word til you've wrestled with a via epia board & tried to get it to play mpeg2 SDTV without stutterring

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juski:

I dunno whether it's myth to blame or X, or alsa, or...

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alpaca:

since i learned that command line is typically better for installs – i've been doing that following the guide on the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html is where I am right now but then I receive a bunch of errors and ohgodsoconfusing. I have no idea where to begin because all of the errors seem to be separate

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juski:

I have a version which works, but it's not as new as it could be & every single newer version won't play back BBC recordings without gaps. concerns me that when the new version is released I'll have no end of trouble

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juski:

woah you get a 'bunch of errors'? that's totally sucky!

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juski:

all kinds of stuff can cause 'a bunch of errors'

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juski:

I mean 'a bunch of errors' could mean almost anything is wrong

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dr_willis:

apt-get install libqt3c102-mt-mysql v

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dr_willis:

is giving errors?

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directhex:

i had gap issues on a high-spec machine when using xvmc

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juski:

directhex: it used to work just fine. a cpu with less grunt can play back mpeg2 better than this junk thing

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juski:

I think I'm gonna have to dig into my wallet ^ build a *proper* frontend – none of this EPIA shite

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directhex:

juski, i can't watch bbc recordings on a dual-core 3ghz pentium machine if i enable xvmc. it stutters & skips

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juski:

directhex: I think it's only because mythtv's timing is screwed up

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juski:

it thinks it's further ahead than it is, so messes with the playback speed

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juski:

then it gets even more askew

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directhex:

my backend is still crashing, it seems. i might need to try a newer svn build, or *sigh* gdb

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alpaca:

this is the message I receive

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alpaca:

mythtv-setup

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alpaca:

Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display "127.0.0.1:1.0".

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alpaca:

Failed to get list of devices

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alpaca:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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alpaca:

2007-07–28 09:19:13.610 Using runtime prefix = /usr/local

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alpaca:

2007-07–28 09:19:13.614 DPMS is not supported.

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alpaca:

2007-07–28 09:19:13.659 New DB connection, total: 1

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alpaca:

2007-07–28 09:19:13.665 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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alpaca:

2007-07–28 09:19:13.667 Total desktop dim: 1280x1024, with 1 screen[s].

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alpaca:

2007-07–28 09:19:13.679 Using screen 0, 1280x1024 at 0,0

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juski:

alpaca: PASTEBIN.CA !

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alpaca:

2007-07–28 09:19:13.727 Current Schema Version: 1160

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alpaca:

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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juski:

more than 3 lines, put them in a pastebin

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alpaca:

true – didnt even consider

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alpaca:

my apology

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juski:

didn't even read the welcome message when you joined the channel you mean

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alpaca:

perhaps

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alpaca:

I wonder if this is a result of using VNC

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alpaca:

perhaps I should just put a monitor on the headless for a bit

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alpaca:

regardless I'm going to bed again then i will dive back in

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gbee:

alpaca: almost certainly a VNC related problem, why not just use ssh with X11 forwarding?

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Dibblah:

Oh, this should be fun. Uwe plans to fork linux-dvb.

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gbee:

what!?

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Dibblah:

Private email.

[14:56:21]

Dibblah:

I attempted to tell him to stop being an ass.

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gbee:

just read some of the arguments from back at the end of May :(

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Dibblah:

I'd rather not.

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Dibblah:

I read them at the time.

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gbee:

when opensource doesn't work, it _really_ doesn't work

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Dibblah:

So, that'll be *3* forks.

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gbee:

*sigh*

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gbee:

in a handful of cases, forking really is a good thing, but most of the time dividing the community and the developers just means everyone suffers

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** gbee wonders how many devs Uwe has onboard **

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janneg:

Dibblah: I pretty much doubt that Uwe's fork will have more than *one* user

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janneg:

and it will have less than one sane user

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janneg:

Dibblah: the only useful way of interacting with Uwe is ignoring him

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juski:

<dream> if only there were no egos in open source </dream>

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gbee:

juski: just wait till someone forks one of your themes ;)

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janneg:

Uwe's problem is not his ego. he is ill

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juski:

gbee: they can if they like – but won't be able to fork any new ones due to the licences they'll be under. muhahahaha

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juski:

although, there's hardly been what you could call a massive influx of themes lately anyway ;)

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gbee:

what happened to Dagmar's sci-fi one?

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Dagmar:

It won't be done until I can stop compiling GNOME packages for a few days

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juski:

hmm can the programme finder not display the channel icon?

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Dagmar:

Utterly leave out that element

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Dagmar:

Or put it on a layer below something that hides it

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** gbee likes the channel icons **

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juski:

that's poo! we need more consistency across the ui

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** juski wonders exactly how many different classes are used to show programme info **

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jams:

42

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juski:

there are loads of different display methods at play

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juski:

some containers support A,B & C, some support A, C & D ..

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juski:

I can see why the mythui stuff is taking so long

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juski:

what?! there's this now?! eesh. http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Apple_trailers

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juski:

written in php. great plan, Batman

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jams:

somebody has written somthing similar in bash

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jams:

couple weeks ago they were asking for testers

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jams:

wouldn't call this a "plugin"

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juski:

nor would I

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juski:

doesn't use the mythtv ui, or the mythtv player

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jams:

if i had a wiki account i would change it

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jams:

but i do not, nor do I want to create one

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jams:

hmm myth needs to log to syslog

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_App . . . #Description

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juski:

now it's a 'bolt-on' – more accurate I think

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juski:

or since it uses php, maybe better to call it 'bodge job held on with duct tape'

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laga:

i'd love to see some screen shots.

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laga:

juski: shouldn't you be using "use strict;" in your perl scripts?

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gbee:

juski: you're too hard on php ;)

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gbee:

wonder why it uses mplayer though, instead of say mythtv

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directhex:

comparing something to duct tape is a compliment, surely?

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directhex:

duct tape rules!

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janneg:

no, it's nothing compared to real gaffer tape

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phocus_:

hey guys, anyone around for me to show my stupidity to>?

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TUplink1:

i mhere

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TUplink1:

im here*

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Bonkers:

I'm admittedly running a pretty old version of mythtv (probably 1 1/2 years maybe?), and it just stopped transcoding stuff, so I was wondering what goes on in the transcoding scheduling process, like who is supposed to be scheduling this and where can I look for errors abut it not running or what database table may be corrupt?

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TUplink1:

just check the whole database

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TUplink1:

mythcontrib

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Bonkers:

I have, it doesn't seem corrupted

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TUplink1:

then its probably not the DB

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Bonkers:

how do you get it to check every table btw? it seemed to be skippihng corrupted tables, then I made some shell magic to check each individual

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TUplink1:

did you maybe update a dependcy?

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Bonkers:

'mysqlcheck -r mythconverg -p' skipped the corrupt ones

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Bonkers:

and told me the non-corrupt were OK

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Bonkers:

I don't think I updated anything, I'm guessing my HDD filled up, something got corrupted, and now it stopped

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TUplink1:

contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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TUplink1:

if you dont have the sorces i dont know where you get that file tho

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Bonkers:

ya, I have it, gotta get all these perl deps installed now

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TUplink1:

time::format was the only one i was missing

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Bonkers:

this was at one time built from cvs

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Bonkers:

I need Date/Parse

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TUplink1:

fedora?

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Bonkers:

nope, debian, cpan to the rescue though

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Bonkers:

now I need Time::Format

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TUplink1:

:P

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alpaca:

Is anyone here able to assist me with resolving some errors I receive upon running mythtv-setup? I've searched and not found any specific answers.

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TUplink1:

what is the errors?

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alpaca:

http://pastebin.ca/637064

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TUplink1:

im a newbie :P but might be of help

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Bonkers:

ok, that script didn't seem to do much, hmm

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alpaca:

hey newbie or not, if you help me resolve anything i'll love you

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TUplink1:

have you tryed a recompile?

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alpaca:

of...

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alpaca:

mythtv?

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alpaca:

the entire package?

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TUplink1:

i hate Segmentation fault (core dumped) i think they usualy make a *.core file

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TUplink1:

yea

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fryfrog:

1) you *may* not have the XV stuff for X working/setup... what distro are you using?

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alpaca:

ubuntu fiesty

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TUplink1:

frefrog what is xv?

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fryfrog:

video card?

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alpaca:

it's headless so i'm using x11 w/ssh

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fryfrog:

"Xvideo

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fryfrog:

oh, so this is a BE only box?

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fryfrog:

You might try VNC instead of ssh x11 forwarding, but in theory I think that should work

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alpaca:

i'm vnc'd also

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fryfrog:

I usually use x11vnc to do work on my BE, but i do have a monitor on it anyway

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fryfrog:

and vnc fails with the same errors?

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fryfrog:

and what version of myth are you compiling? snv -fixes or svn head?

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alpaca:

actually if i just use terminal w/o vnc I mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server :0

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alpaca:

svn-fixes

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TUplink1:

should XInputExtension be in she sshd.conf file?

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fryfrog:

no, that'd be an X thing :)

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TUplink1:

ok...

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alpaca:

using VNC the error I receive is this : http://pastebin.ca/637064

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TUplink1:

i know nothing about using x over ssh..... would be nice to get working

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TUplink1:

:P

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fryfrog:

does mythtv-setup take -v all?

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fryfrog:

i dunno why you are core dumping :/

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alpaca:

haven't tried what does the -v parameter do?

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laga:

ssh -X -Y <yourhost>; mythfrontend --geometry 800x600 works for me

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fryfrog:

even though it is headless, you *do* still have all the xlib stuff right?

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alpaca:

I initially had it setup as a full desktop/server

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fryfrog:

-v is verbose for mythfrontend and mythbackend, never looked to see if it did anything on mythtv-setup

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alpaca:

then just removed the monitor once i had installed everything proper

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fryfrog:

alpaca: can you just try it locally with a monitor?

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fryfrog:

though... vnc should be the same :/

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alpaca:

yeah =/

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fryfrog:

is it x11vnc or is it a seperate vnc server?

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alpaca:

x11vnc

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fryfrog:

or is it the vnc built into feisty's gnome desktop?

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fryfrog:

k

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alpaca:

hell no

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alpaca:

ha

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fryfrog:

sorry, i'm lost :)

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alpaca:

x11

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alpaca:

na it's at least good to get some form of support

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alpaca:

lemme try -v

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TUplink1:

alpaca..... i have an idea

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alpaca:

alright

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TUplink1:

mythtv-setup -display X-server Create GUI on X-server, not localhost

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TUplink1:

and its --display X-server

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TUplink1:

i guess X-server would be your ip

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alpaca:

mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server 127.0.0.1:1.0

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TUplink1:

did you try what i sugested

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TUplink1:

mythtv-setup --display <yourip>

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alpaca:

ip being my internal lan ip i will assume

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TUplink1:

yea....

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alpaca:

nope

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alpaca:

no dice

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TUplink1:

of the box that you are on.... not the backend

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alpaca:

right

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alpaca:

Xlib: no protocol specified

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TUplink1:

just an idea.... i did mythtv-setup --h help

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TUplink1:

maybe its ip:1.0

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alpaca:

hmm interesting let me pastebin this

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alpaca:

http://pastebin.ca/637181

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alpaca:

I'm going to believe something is awry with Xlib what do you think?

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TUplink1:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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TUplink1:

i would lookinto Xlib

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TUplink1:

can you run anothe xbased app threw ssh?

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alpaca:

yeah

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TUplink1:

hum...

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alpaca:

this is just so odd because I followed the steps of the setup verbatim

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alpaca:

i tried initially using one of the ubuntu walk-throughs thinking it would be easier since there are such detailed walkthroughs for ubuntu fiesty

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alpaca:

but then no – so i figured compiling it myself would be best

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alpaca:

i've really never had much trouble with installing software or compiling ;/

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juski:

so er.. what's a good cpu to get these days for an sdtv machine – capable of going fanless ? ;)

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juski:

or at least quiet anyway

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laga:

juski: that celeron 733 in your s100 ;)

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juski:

no optical drive though

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juski:

messy case mod

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laga:

heh

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juski:

I could see about re-housing the pcb though I suppose

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juski:

bah 128MB RAM.. no blootube-wide

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laga:

juski: i believe i found out why gutsy will give me a messy pciture. its agp driver does not 'see' the pre-allocated memory. i believe its trying to use that stolen memory to display $stuff which gives me a lot of garbage.

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laga:

juski: a friend of mine is trying to get us some good SDRAM to upgrade the s100 to 256M ;)

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juski:

fat lot of use 256M will be :)

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laga:

my s100 is currently running off a usb stick. works great.

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juski:

I'm gonna need a proper frontend

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laga:

juski: i've still got 78M free in iulius in the main menu.

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juski:

I'll dump the epia crap on ebay. I'm sick to death of its puniness

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laga:

get the cheapest cool&quiet capable cpu then

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juski:

iulius has got to be the suckiest theme in the world though

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laga:

it's light-weight!

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juski:

suckiest :)

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juski:

yeah I reckon the days of playing back SDTV hogging 50% CPU are over

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juski:

did you see earlier I tried a newer version of minimyth & it was using 25% *less* CPU than the one I'm currently using but the playback was stutterring?

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juski:

I mean wtf is that all about

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juski:

so what version of myth have you got on your usb stick laga?

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laga:

juski: i can offer release-0.20-fixes or svn trunk.

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juski:

woo

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laga:

wlan is working, too, with ndiswrapper.

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TUplink1:

what is that a mythfrontend on a USB stick

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juski:

heh. not much use for me

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laga:

i'd love to fix the agp driver and use mythbuntu gutsy. if the agp driver is the problem :)

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laga:

TUplink1: well, it's a mythfrontend on a usb stick...

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juski:

how fast does it boot up?

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TUplink1:

laga you have an ISO to share with the world?

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laga:

juski: it takes approximately one minute.

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laga:

TUplink1: no. it's for some kind of special hardware

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laga:

TUplink1: you can make one yourself. install mythbuntu on an usb stick. it's easy.

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TUplink1:

kool

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juski:

I thought feisty used that new boot manager thing

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just_joe:

question: is there a recomended windows myth client?

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laga:

juski: upstart?

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juski:

yeah

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juski:

just_joe: no. nobody would ever recommend using windows here

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juski:

just_joe: but search the wiki

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just_joe:

someone of my users (the wife) are not wanting unix on their laptops

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laga:

juski: i think they introduced that in edgy. remember: the box is slow ;)

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juski:

laga: I've seen it get into myth's menus in under 20s in slack damnit

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Samatros:

If you're experienced enough, eINIT is the fastest boot I've ever seen next to OS X's.

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laga:

juski: i haven't tweaked it yet ;)

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juski:

I managed to shave about 20secs from Edgy's boot time

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juski:

still wasn't enough though

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alpaca:

laga: is mythbuntu good to setup a mythbox and then add-on whatever additional functionality is needed? would you recommend it?

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laga:

it's still alpha. i wouldn't recommend it yet for a production box. it's looking very good, though :)

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laga:

alpaca: i would recommend using feisty and the guide in the ubuntu wiki. it's easy as pie, too

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juski:

digital audio working?

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laga:

juski: i have no clue. i can't test. my receiver will only do dolby pro logic. (!!)

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juski:

might give ubunut another try & see if the digital audio will work *all* *the* *time*

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laga:

juski: on the s100? ;)

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laga:

juski: i'll upload a tarball later tonight. if you want, i can give you the download URL. you'll need at least 1GB of disk space.

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cabajgtr:

I'm trying to compile MythMPD on an install from the Ubuntu Feisty repositories. I DL'd the mythplugin dev package, but I don't have "settings.pro" how can I get it?

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TUplink1:

what is MPD?

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cabajgtr:

music player daemon

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Hugolp:

hi

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cabajgtr:

its a mythtv front-end for mpd backend

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Hugolp:

what ports does mythtv use?

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TUplink1:

what is so special about it?

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TUplink1:

and why not just use mythmusic

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cabajgtr:

because mythmusic interface is awkward, and playlists are way to difficult

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cabajgtr:

you can simultaneously control mpd via a web browser anywhere and on the mythfrontend

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xris:

Hugolp: 6543, 6544, 23

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xris:

sorry, not 23.

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cabajgtr:

Has anybody compiled a myth-plugin without compiling all of mythtv from cvs?

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xris:

Hugolp: 6543, 6544, 6546

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juski:

cabajgtr: you can't

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Hugolp:

so that is 6543 and 6544. Thanks xris

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xris:

cabajgtr: if you're compiling myth from cvs, you're about 2 years out of date

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Hugolp:

oh 6546 as well

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Hugolp:

thanks

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xris:

Hugolp: 6546 is the "telnet" interface to mythfrontend

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juski:

anyway... hmmm background music.. for music which isn't worthy of your undivided attention :D

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cabajgtr:

no, i don't want to install from cvs

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cabajgtr:

I want to compile an unofficial plugin, but I dont have settings.pro

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Hugolp:

xris: its really 6546 needed then?

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xris:

Hugolp: not unless you want to control the frontend remotely

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Hugolp:

cool

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Hugolp:

thanks

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xris:

cabajgtr: you need mythtv installed if you want to install plugins

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juski:

cabajgtr: you can't just compile one part from source. it's all or nothing man. and it all has to be the same version

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cabajgtr:

I've got myth installed from the ubuntu repos

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juski:

cabajgtr: you can't just compile one part from source. it's all or nothing man. and it all has to be the same version

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juski:

I'll keep repeating myself until it sinks in

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Hugolp:

xris: one las question the port needs tcp open, udp open or both?

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Hugolp:

*last

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cabajgtr:

ok, so there is no way to use unofficial plugins unless you compile all of myth from cvs?

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xris:

Hugolp: should just be tcp

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cabajgtr:

(unless the unofficial plugin has a binary)

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xris:

cabajgtr: myth hasn't used cvs in years... there is no "myth from cvs"

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juski:

cabajgtr: there is no way to use even ONE plugin built from source without building the rest of mythtv from source too. how many more times?

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cabajgtr:

ok, sorry

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xris:

cabajgtr: packages put libraries under one path, hand-built stuff defaults to another path... without tweaking the source code, the compile won't work.

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juski:

which unofficial plugin anyway?

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cabajgtr:

MythMPD

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cesman:

what the heck is that?

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cabajgtr:

http://www.mackers.com/projects/mythmpd/

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juski:

Myth Multiple Personality Disoder?

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cabajgtr:

Music Player Daemon

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cabajgtr:

(frontend for)

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juski:

yeah lovely :-\

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xris:

cute.

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juski:

!trout mythmusic-haters

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** MythLogBot slaps mythmusic-haters with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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cabajgtr:

=)

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xris:

juski: or that it's nice to have remote control of the music player.

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cesman:

cabajgtr: how did you install MythTV?

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cabajgtr:

Feisty Apt-get

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juski:

I'm gonna go watch some mythtv. way too narked off to hang around here. damn users

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cesman:

did you install -dev?

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cabajgtr:

yes

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cesman:

should be all you need to compile MythMPD

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cabajgtr:

it cant find settings.pro

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xris:

cabajgtr: what needs a settings.pro?

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cabajgtr:

make

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squish102:

does mythtv have some housekeeping that will clean upp recordings? i noticed my recordings owned by root so they were not deleted when done through mythweb.

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xris:

squish102: that's odd.. mythweb just tells the backend to delete stuff. doesn't do things itself

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squish102:

yip, and i guess the backend could not delete it

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squish102:

so will it still keep trying?

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cesman:

normally, things aren't automatically deleted unless space is low

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xris:

squish102: should be something in the log

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cesman:

in addition, live tv is delete 24 hrs after recording

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cabajgtr:

there are a couple references to settings.pro in the makefile, there is a settings.h my /usr/include/mythtv

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squish102:

cesman, but i dont think the recordings are in the database anymore, so it will never get deleted :(

[18:52:22]

cesman:

ok...

[18:52:37]

cesman:

you asked about housekeeping...

[18:52:40]

cesman:

I answered

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cesman:

BTW:you shouldn't be running MythTV as root

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Tanthrix:

Doing so may cause a supernova or other catastrophy

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squish102:

thanks cesman, i have to go figure out how that happened

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squish102:

but now i want to try align my recordings dir to the database

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keith4_:

in mythweb, in the video section, there is a 'category' column... but i can't find a way to define categories

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squish102:

is there an ERD diagram of the tables used in mythtv?

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keith4_:

ERD?

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cesman:

entity relational diagram

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squish102:

entity relationship diagram, so i can figure out these tables

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squish102:

im looking for the table that has the recorded filename in it

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Cry_wolf2:

select * from recorded;

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Cry_wolf2:

bla bla... 1008_20070725064222.mpg

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squish102:

thx

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TUplink1:

cant you add a catogory to videocategory

[19:11:58]

TUplink1:

in mysql

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cesman:

I do believe you can add additional categories in the video manager

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keith4_:

is that how knoppmyth does the "pretty" folder?

[19:12:54]

Anduin:

You can, don't know about in mythweb though.

[19:13:08]

TUplink1:

INSERT INTO `mythconverg`.`videocategory` ( `intid` , `category` ) VALUES ( NULL , 'Movie');

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keith4_:

what is 'category' intended for?

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Anduin:

keith4_: for you to make categories

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keith4_:

genres?

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TUplink1:

i guess so you can group types of movies

[19:14:03]

Anduin:

Not genres

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TUplink1:

like horor

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keith4_:

isn't horror a genre?

[19:14:29]

Anduin:

keith4_: basically something you can control, the genres are filled in from the info grabber

[19:14:35]

keith4_:

they are not

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keith4_:

i don't see any genre info in the imdb data

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Anduin:

keith4_: You don't see the Genres: line?

[19:16:55]

Anduin:

It really is there.

[19:17:18]

keith4_:

well, i'm looking at mythweb and in the database

[19:17:35]

keith4_:

let me check in frontend

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Anduin:

keith4_: I assure you it is there.

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keith4_:

in 0.20 svn?

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Anduin:

keith4_: It is far from new.

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keith4_:

well then i guess i'm stupid

[19:19:45]

keith4_:

because i don't see it anywhere

[19:20:06]

keith4_:

in video manager, i have all kinds of data, but no genre

[19:20:48]

Anduin:

keith4_: You have no control over it so it isn't in the video manager, try filtering a view.

[19:21:24]

keith4_:

ah

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keith4_:

it's odd that mythweb can sort by category, but can't filter or sort by genre

[19:23:08]

keith4_:

so maybe i'll copy the 'genre' to the 'category' for each movie

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Anduin:

That would take work, multiple genres per, only one category.

[19:23:54]

keith4_:

hmm

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keith4_:

has anyone written a web interface to control frontends?

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cesman:

http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/?p=30

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keith4_:

sweet

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TUplink1:

Keith4_ its builtinto mythweb now

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keith4_:

"now"?

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cesman:

svn is my guess

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cesman:

as it isn't in 0.20 or latest -fixes

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keith4_:

but that requires mythweb to be installed on the frontends?

[19:49:23]

Samatros:

Does having a tuner with no hardware encoding mean that I can get my picture instantly (game console)?

[19:50:20]

cesman:

no

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Anduin:

Samatros: No, it still needs to be encoded/decoded before display (with mythtv), another TV viewing program may have less latency

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Samatros:

Aw nuts ;X. Can I get anybody's experience on a good card/program (I've heard dscaler and xawtv) for less latency?

[19:51:56]

sphery:

away -all afs

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sphery:

oops

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cesman:

how is that nuts?

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cesman:

MythTV is designed to be a PVR. It buffers the data so you can pause, etc.

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cesman:

try TVTime

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keith4_:

i think he means "aw shit"

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keith4_:

not "aw crazy"

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cesman:

whatever

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Tanthrix:

I second that – the nuts in question was not directed at mythTV. Case closed!

[19:53:35]

Samatros:

Yes.

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Samatros:

Everybody is right.

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keith4_:

TUplink1 I don't see any remote control built into mythweb

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TUplink1:

um... it is in mine

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TUplink1:

SVN

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TUplink1:

and it works

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TUplink1:

eb/remote

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cesman:

LOL!

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TUplink1:

mythweb/remote

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** cesman loves the blood and gore on SciFi **

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Tanthrix:

Meh, I'll take gratuitious nudity and sex over blood and gore anyday!

[19:58:15]

Tanthrix:

Though, I do appreciate a good zombie movie.

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cesman:

isn't that what pr0n is for?! ;)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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keith4_:

mythweb/remote: "An unknown module was specified"

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juski:

keith4_: it's only in SVN trunk

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keith4_:

ah

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keith4_:

so..... what should I do?

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keith4_:

I have "0.20-svn20070122–0.0"

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juski:

you need to either wait til 0.21 is released or upgrade to svn trunk

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juski:

and *no* nobody can tell you when 0.21 will be released other than "when it's ready"

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keith4_:

i wasn't even going to ask

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keith4_:

i'm a debian user ;-)

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keith4_:

i know not to ask about releases

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Tanthrix:

Asking is paramount to murder!

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keith4_:

so explain to me how the remote works

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juski:

tantamount to murder even

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keith4_:

do you have to tell it hostnames of frontends to control?

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keith4_:

or do you have to install it on the frontends?

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** Tanthrix checks webster.com to see if he can make it work **

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juski:

you tell it which frontend to control

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keith4_:

hmm

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juski:

there's a mythweb remote extension for 0.20-fixes somewhere

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Tanthrix:

juski: I was intending to say tanamount, you are correct. But it works! (Essentially, it means asking is worse than murder)

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keith4_:

this? http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/remote/index.html

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juski:

it uses the telnet interface

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** Tanthrix leaves in shame anyway **

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keith4_:

is it slow?

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TUplink1:

on the same machine its about as fast as using the keybord on the frontend

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keith4_:

does it allow control of multiple frontends?

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TUplink1:

yup

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keith4_:

well then I eagerly await 0.21, because this http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/remote/ only controls 1 frontend

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overpointe:

Hello, is anyone here using free to air satellite on their mythtv?

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laga:

maybe

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CCFL_Man2:

anyone have a suggestion for a mythtv frontend box that can do hdtv?

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CCFL_Man2:

anything that can be hacked

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CCFL_Man2:

msntv2 is great for standard and downsampling

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opello:

was there a site on getting the msntv2 up and running?

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CCFL_Man2:

opello: yeah, but the s100 iptv box firmware runs better on it, making it like a regular pc

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laga:

"firmware"? do you mean the BIOS?

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opello:

bios isn't firmware?

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laga:

BIOS is not the only kind of firmware :P

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opello:

*gasp* blanket term!

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laga:

opello: he might have referred to the windows CE "firmware" of the s100.

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** laga shivers **

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CCFL_Man2:

laga: i mean the bios, sorry

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CCFL_Man2:

the bios is a regular pc bios i hear

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opello:

all i had was a couple forum posts, can you drop a link?

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CCFL_Man2:

i have no links

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opello:

ah

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laga:

CCFL_Man2: kinda, yes

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CCFL_Man2:

laga: you can install winux with everything working properly

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CCFL_Man2:

i just can't find where i put the firmware

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laga:

CCFL_Man2: what is winux? the bootloader or the virus?

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CCFL_Man2:

linux, typo

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CCFL_Man2:

wonder where GreyFoxx is

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laga:

ah :)

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laga:

CCFL_Man2: do you need a link to the BIOS of the s100?

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CCFL_Man2:

laga: if you have it that would be great

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laga:

CCFL_Man2: i think i saw a bootable CD that would flash the bios. let's see..

[21:37:43]

CCFL_Man2:

even better!

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laga:

(youtube/flash plugin crashed my firefox again.)

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh

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laga:

what distro are you running on yours?

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CCFL_Man2:

i was going to run either debian or ubuntu, there a better solution than that?

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laga:

i tried mythbuntu gutsy on my s100, but the screen was garbled partially. i'm trying to track down the problem right now.

[21:41:41]

laga:

ubuntu feisty seems to be working well.

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CCFL_Man2:

might go with debian then

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CCFL_Man2:

or you might have to use the intel linux driver

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opello:

hrm, how would you boot a cd on it?

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CCFL_Man2:

opello: install an ide header

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opello:

oh there were pads for that?

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opello:

i guess i haven't looked at it in a while

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laga:

CCFL_Man2: i am using IEGD already ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

laga: ahh, might be the linux version

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CCFL_Man2:

i think i'll just install debian with tiny wm and mythfrontend

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laga:

sounds good

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SiD3WiNDR:

< laga> (youtube/flash plugin crashed my firefox again.) > whew, glad I'm not the only one :/

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cesman:

laga: http://www.linux-sxs.org/hardware/flash_boot_cd.html

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laga:

CCFL_Man2: http://forum.zenega-user.de/index.php?showtopic=4610&hl=bios

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laga:

cesman: thanks. i was looking for that CD iso i posted because it's already got the bios roms

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cesman:

you're welcome

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JoeyJoeJo:

The power went out at my house and my backend shut down. Ever since I can't watch live tv. It just shows black and kicks me back to the menu after a few seconds. However, it records perfectly. Here is what I see in my logs: http://pastebin.ca/637439

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laga:

JoeyJoeJo: what does it say in the backend logs?

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JoeyJoeJo:

laga: Error excessive retries

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laga:

JoeyJoeJo: what *else* does it say?

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JoeyJoeJo:

this a bunch of times: Retry Sat Jul 28 17:59:39 2007

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laga:

could you please paste the complete log file at www.pastebin.ca (or somewhere else)?

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, but thats really all it says

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JoeyJoeJo:

http://pastebin.ca/637456

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JoeyJoeJo:

crap.. thanks for your help so far, but I've gotta run

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laga:

...

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CCFL_Man2:

laga: perfect, rthanks

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CCFL_Man2:

you use it as a frontend?

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laga:

the s100? yes.

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CCFL_Man2:

the bios will work on the mythtv2 as well

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laga:

good luck ;)

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CCFL_Man2:

thanks

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TimRiker:

I have some large .ts files I'd like to split up and burn to dvds. is that an app that will split/merge .ts files losslessly while still making them playable? (ie: not just splitting bytes)

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TimRiker:

s/that/there/

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mokkan:

hey, none of the menu items are showing up at all... but everything else works

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mokkan:

any ideas?

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laga:

mokkan: does mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt work?

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mokkan:

indeed it does :)

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mokkan:

thank you much

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mokkan:

got it fixed

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laga:

mokkan: you need to tell mythfrontend in its settings menu to use the qt painter then

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mokkan:

yeah, thats what i set it to :)

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metalac:

hey guys i still have issues with sound levels

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metalac:

general LiveTV sound is fairly low, but some commercials tend to be INSANE

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metalac:

there is also a significant difference between some channels as well

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metalac:

is there any way to normalize this?

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metalac:

i get a stream using firewire from DCT-6200

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jams:

GreyFoxx- what kind of rates does the isp you work for get for colo?

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