Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, July 25th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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TUplink_:

bwm?

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TUplink_:

how far are the 2 boxes?

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jedix:

bandwidth monitor

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jedix:

two floors

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TUplink_:

hum...

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TUplink_:

maybe wifi..... or to far?

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jedix:

I could use wifi, but why?

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jedix:

I have wired..

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jedix:

it's faster

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jedix:

way faster.

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TUplink_:

um... cause its NOT on your network

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jedix:

I'll just turn ac3 off

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TUplink_:

is it a business or home?

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jedix:

WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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jedix:

home

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TUplink_:

hum..... you have any HUBs on the network?

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jedix:

none

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TUplink_:

hum.....

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TUplink_:

well how many comps you got?

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jedix:

6

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TUplink_:

i mean somthing is SLOWING it down if your only getting 800Mb/sec

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jedix:

umm.. and then an xbox and ps2

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jedix:

I'm getting way more than that

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jedix:

but mythtv is only using 800KB/s

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jedix:

the network to these two boxes are 11.1MB/s as per my scp test

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jedix:

so they are plenty fast

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TUplink_:

this is wierd...

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TUplink_:

got a windows box?

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jedix:

no

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TUplink_:

um....

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jedix:

why?

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TUplink_:

was gunna say try winmyth

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TUplink_:

and see if it works

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TUplink_:

see if its the frontend

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jedix:

it has to be the frontend.

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TUplink_:

could be the backend

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jedix:

nah, the backend is another front end

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jedix:

and it wokrs fine for ac3

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TUplink_:

so.....

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TUplink_:

its the same box

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TUplink_:

not really going over the network

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jedix:

true.

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jedix:

but the network usage tells us it's not htat..

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jedix:

unless the packets are being fragmented and by the time they get reassembled, the sound is outdated.

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TUplink_:

yea.... kindof i dont know how myth is made but it could be a way it sends stuff out

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TUplink_:

fragments shouldn matter

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jedix:

no big deal to turn this off ac3

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jedix:

it's my desktop..

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TUplink_:

it has a delay by nature

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TUplink_:

maybe...... mplayer isnt built corectly

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TUplink_:

for you dule core

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jedix:

um

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jedix:

it's using like 10%

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TUplink_:

but... the codec is slowing it down rite

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jedix:

okay

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jedix:

new problem

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TUplink_:

hehe

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jedix:

somehow the backend is stuck thinking this frontend is watching tv

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TUplink_:

whats that

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TUplink_:

sure its not recording?

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jedix:

sure.

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TUplink_:

um..... go to watch recordings

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TUplink_:

and delite it if its there

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TUplink_:

i had that prob once

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TUplink_:

but i used mythweb to stop it

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TUplink_:

i think

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jedix:

it's not there.

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TUplink_:

or just restart backent

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TUplink_:

killall -HUP mythbackend

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juski:

god no

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juski:

just change the filter in mythfrontend's watch recordings to show livetv recordings & delete it

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jedix:

how do you change the filter?

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TUplink_:

press m

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TUplink_:

under watch recordings

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juski:

something else you could try is exporting the recordings dir with nfs & mount it to the same location on the remote frontend

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ocgltd:

Does EIT data get added to the EPG database using channel number of callsign? I have renumbered my channels (due to overlapping ranges), and don't want EIT to wipe out my data...

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d00gster:

can someone tell me why startx isn't starting. I have the following: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02), trying to do tv out via rca. I see signal but it is messup and skewed. here are several outputs from X http://www.pastebin.ca/632395 http://www.pastebin.ca/629338 http://www.pastebin.ca/629340

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ocgltd:

d00gster: Does XServer give you an error? (What does "isn't starting" mean?)

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d00gster:

check the paste bin. but it basically says fatal error

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d00gster:

only when I change the driver to vesa then it starts

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d00gster:

but the picture looks like is it PAL rather than NTSC or the resolution is off or something

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d00gster:

I want to use the drivers for intel

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ocgltd:

If VESA is working, assume your xorg.conf is screwed up. Is the original save in your dir? Can you re-run the intel setup?

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ocgltd:

Any EIT knowledgeable people out there? Does EIT data get added to the EPG database using channel number or callsign? I have renumbered my channels (due to overlapping ranges), and don't want EIT to screw up my data...

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my2keh:

man this harmony rocks!

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my2keh:

remote that is

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ocgltd:

Any EIT knowledgeable people out there? Does EIT data get added to the EPG database using channel number or callsign? I have renumbered my channels (due to overlapping ranges), and don't want EIT to screw up my data...

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my2keh:

sec

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kormoc:

ocgltd, repeating your question here doesn't do anything but annoy the people who just don't know

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kormoc:

ocgltd, you should post your question to the mailing list and see if anyone there knows

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ocgltd:

kormoc-not itentional. cut and pasting. No respone on mailing list...tried last week

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my2keh:

well

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my2keh:

the mythconverg.program table stores channid

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my2keh:

versus channum

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kormoc:

ocgltd, well, let me put it this way, cut and pasting doesn't do anything but annoy us. Don't.

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ocgltd:

my2key – mythfilldatabase uses callsign as key.

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my2keh:

then what's the problem?

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my2keh:

just try it

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my2keh:

and you'll see heh

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Sedorox:

GreyFoxx: do you happen to have any howto.. or wiki setup with the msntv2 info?

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Speedy2:

hrm

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Speedy2:

libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.9 for DVD access

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Speedy2:

Please send bug report – no VTS_TMAPT ??

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alieas007:

greets

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cesman:

hello

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Speedy2:

Anyone here familiar with MythDVD?

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Anduin:

Speedy2: No one will talk to you about dvdcss in here

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Speedy2:

Anduin: I don't have any dvdcss questions.

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Speedy2:

Just curious if there's a way to backup entire DVD without having to select the titles

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Anduin:

Speedy2: iso copy

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Speedy2:

Anduin: I see that option but that still requires me to select titles, right?

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Speedy2:

Anduin: At least when I tried it a few seconds ago it seemed that way.

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Anduin:

Speedy2: It doesn't (the UI sucks a little)

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Anduin:

Ah, yeah, it will probe for titles

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Speedy2:

probe or request?

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Tom123:

Hi all, I'm very new to MythTV (but with some ubuntu and gentoo experience). I just bought a large plasma display and want to drive it with Myth. My question is this: are there recommended capture cards that work best with Myth?

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Anduin:

Speedy2: probe as in search for titles so the list can be sent back to the frontend

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Tom123:

or is there very uniform support across cards?

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Tom123:

I'm looking for HDTV, not just analog

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Speedy2:

Anduin: So I guess the real question is when ISO is selected does it do a full back up or it will only backup selected titles?

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Tom123:

Sorry to bother, but can anyone recommend a got HDTV capture card?

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Tom123:

good = fullest support, ease of install and feature set I suppose

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jedix:

Tom123: there's a site for this..

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jedix:

video 4 linux stuff

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Tom123:

do you have a link? I've been looking for it all day

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Anduin:

Speedy2: It does a full backup, I don't think you will be able to get to that point though as it fails too quickly.

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jedix:

Tom123: what kind of capture card are you looking for? satellite..etc?

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jedix:

Tom123: http://www.linuxtv.org/

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Tom123:

oh sorry, not satellite

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Tom123:

I'm going to be using an HDTV antenna I think

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Tom123:

no big cable package

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Tom123:

I guess this is non-encrypted digital?

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Speedy2:

Anduin: Awesome, it's running.

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Tom123:

so, i guess this link seems like more of the same that I've seen. It outlines the drivers available, but seems to be missing a discussion of quality...e.g. nVidia and ATI both have linux drivers, but nVidia's support is far better.

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jedix:

I think the pchdtv ones are supposed to be good

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jedix:

but I don't do over the air stuff

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jedix:

I'm a satellite guy

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Tom123:

ok

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Tom123:

it seems like the philips chipsets have good reviews too

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Tom123:

in terms of quality and support

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jedix:

ATSC is the name of what you are trying to do, I think

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jedix:

but the card you want depends on what you want to do with it

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Tom123:

right

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jedix:

like.. hardware decoding?

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Tom123:

touche

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Tom123:

I suppose i should read up more

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

I bought a second hand card off a friend to start

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Tom123:

I've got a lot going on, and was kind alooking for a good all-around card suggestion i could purchase and have no trouble with

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Tom123:

for digital and analog HDTV

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jedix:

turns out it isn't that good, but it works for the time being.

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jedix:

you could ask here earlier in the day, seems to be quiet now

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Tom123:

ok, ill do that. Thanks.

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jedix:

sorry I couldn't help more

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Tom123:

no no

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Tom123:

its fine

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Tom123:

im trying to avoid the usual legwork...which is never a great idea lol

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jedix:

hehe

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jedix:

hauppauge is apparently good too

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jedix:

dunno though

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Tom123:

ok, thanks

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Tom123:

unfortunatly, none of the guys at MicroCenter really knew anything about Myth...or linux in general

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Tom123:

but I saw a couple of those hauppauge cards on the shelf

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dstarchman:

hello. I have a quick (hopefully) mythtv/linux question. I feel like it should be obvious, but I've googled and sudo'ed 'til I'm cross-eyed; so, sorry if it is. I'm trying to run a user job (mencoder) without success.

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jedix:

I dunno what one you want.

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dstarchman:

the user job generates the right cmd text, but the log file says it can't create the file. User permissions?

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jedix:

did you check the log file?

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dstarchman:

yep. The log file says "can't create file" even though if I type the generated cmd at a terminal prompt it runs fine.

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dstarchman:

rather "Cannot open output file"

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jedix:

as the same user?

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dstarchman:

mythtv?

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jedix:

you tell me

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dstarchman:

Yes, my backend runs as mythtv.

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jedix:

what does myth run as?

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jedix:

k, and that works?

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dstarchman:

lemme try...be back

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jedix:

Tom123: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/archive/o_t/t . . . _t_card.html

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Tom123:

thanks jedix

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Tom123:

yeah, this is helpful

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jedix:

btw, don't get a via chipset for the mobo

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jedix:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1744

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dstarchman:

Thanks, jedix.

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zo0m:

zoom zoom zoom... yeah zoom zoom zoom...

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zdzisekg:

anyone here knows why all my digital stations would have a very low volume? I have my PC sound connected to amp via an analog jack

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Hoxzer:

Hmmm...would it be possible to use vdr for recording and still use mythtv to watch those recordings ?

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Hoxzer:

vdr's multiplexing support basically allows me to record every channel that I have with just two cards

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Hoxzer:

..at once :P

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hads:

It's planned in myth too

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cesman:

Hoxzer: I see no reason why not...

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cesman:

the recordings w/ VDR would bt MPEG2 correct?

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Hoxzer:

Yeah, of course but I assume that vdr has to populate db with correct recording info

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Hoxzer:

humm... doesn't seem like anybody has done this :P it would be basically somehting like when opening the listing it would open vdr listen instead ... and somehow setup vdr to populate db when recording is completed

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Hoxzer:

s/listen/listing

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hads:

Sounds like a lot of effort when the myth devs are going to implement it anyway.

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Hoxzer:

http://mythtvmultiplex.osp.fi/ :D omg fans have made even page for their req

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Hoxzer:

hads: atm nobody is working on multiplexing. Devs seem to just rather buy new cards than to code for x hours to get their multiplexing support

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hads:

Hoxzer: Who said that?

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hads:

Have you looked?

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Hoxzer:

Yeah, I have checked mailing list

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hads:

Obviously you haven't looked that well.

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Hoxzer:

Humm..

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Hoxzer:

Well, I guess so as that page tells me the project has already started..

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hads:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/mythtv-multirec

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Hoxzer:

cool

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Hoxzer:

:P reading mailing list about that. I guess it has some bugs in it and is not useable yet

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Hoxzer:

" Multirec brach seems to work fine in DVB-C in Finland also. 2 cards,

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Hoxzer:

tested with 4 concurrent programs. No actual problems found. "

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Hoxzer:

Cool cool <3 from finland here too

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Hoxzer:

Ok, seems like some problems when viewing live-tv and changing multiplex. Also some problems with recording subtitles ...

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Hoxzer:

Not too bad but I think I wait till I change to that

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Speedy2:

VDR may have a few niceties like recording from same multiplex, but it's UI and everywhere else it SUCKS.

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Hoxzer:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/mythtvnz/280517& nbsp;:O

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juski:

jedix: trac is not a discussion forum. keep your comments to yourself

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juski:

Speedy2: yeah I think from the screenshots I've seen VDR looks too much like a regular STB

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hads:

Yeah, a little patience is all that's required and then the support will be in Myth.

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juski:

I dread to think how many more shows it'll let me record. I already record far more than I watch

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k-man:

Speedy2, what is VDR?

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hads:

Hopefully Sky is switching to horizontal polarity here next week so I'll be able to share my sat with Freeview.

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juski:

k-man: Video Disk Recorder. turns a PC into a satellite/cable STB.

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juski:

hads: ?

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hads:

juski: Currently here (NZ) Sky is on V polarity and Freeview is on H so they can't be used through the same dish (unless you get a dual LNB and recable).

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k-man:

juski, oh, i see

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juski:

k-man: like mythtv, but lamer ;)

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k-man:

juski, ah, just what I was about to ask you

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juski:

it currently does one thing mythtv doesn't do, but work is ongoing to bring that complicated feature to myth :)

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juski:

well, one thing apart from *suck* ;)

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hads:

The amusing reason is that when they launched Optus D1 they put the transmitter on horizontal instead of vertical so it messed everything up.

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k-man:

juski, which feature is that?

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juski:

k-man: the ability to record more than one channel from a DVB-S/DVB-C/DVB-T transponder at the same time

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k-man:

juski, aka multirec? I have been reading the mailing lists about multi rec

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juski:

that's what multirec is

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hads:

Yes

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k-man:

can't wait for that

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hads:

Yeah, will be grand.

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juski:

it would've helped last night – had a conflict I couldn' resolve. It was one show or Family Guy, and family guy always wins :D

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juski:

if multirec doesn't make it into 0.21, probably the single biggest new feature will be Storage Groups

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juski:

or mythweb's streaming playback, depending which floats your boat ;)

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juski:

mythweb can just about be called a web-based frontend these days

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olds:

both are really awesome features

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k-man:

what is storage groups?

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k-man:

yeah streaming playback will be cool

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varun0:

I have a rear projection TV whose resolution is 1280x720. When I play movies that have a 1280x720 resolution (the res is reported by mplayer) they don't fill up the screen. They appear shorter and wider than 1280x720. Is that normal? If the res is the same as my TV, shouldn't it fill it up perfectly?

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k-man:

juski, remember i was asking you about if a dual tuner should show up as 2 /dev/adapter devices?

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k-man:

juski, and mine wasn't?

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juski:

yup

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k-man:

turned out the driver that comes with the kernel only has one tuner enabled.

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juski:

actually you should get /dev/dvb/adapterX & /dev/dvb/adapterY

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juski:

k-man: ouch!

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k-man:

the enabled the other tuner in a later patch

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k-man:

yeah, i think its a pretty new driver

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juski:

<smug mode>well, it pays to look on the wiki at www.linuxtv.org before buying a digital tuner</smug mode>

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k-man:

but i installed driver from the dvb site and it works

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juski:

;)

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juski:

scary for a noob to have to do that, I know. Been there

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k-man:

juski, unfortunately, in Aus there is very very few dual tuner options

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juski:

I'd not even been using linux for 5 minutes & I had to patch my kernel to support DVB devices, let alone my tuner. Back then in mythtv 0.16 it wasn't easy to get your channels in there either

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k-man:

juski, i think my first install was .17

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juski:

took me ages to figure out why patch -pl < patch.diff wasn't working. "l is not a number".. wtf?

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k-man:

and that wasnt easy either

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juski:

damn courier font

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hads:

heh

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k-man:

hehe

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juski:

right in at the deep end. A proper baptism of fire ;)

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k-man:

was that also your first experience with linux?

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juski:

not quite. I mean I knew how to ls & mkdir

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k-man:

hehe

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juski:

the difference in linux now, from when I first tried it (Red hat 2.0) is amazing

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hads:

It has come a long way hasn't it.

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k-man:

and in mythtv

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k-man:

mythtv has come a long way since then

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k-man:

especialy in the installing of it

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k-man:

juski, what distro do you use now?

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juski:

mythtv is only going to get better too. I've even seen myself go from a user who ranted about Isaac closing my first bug ticket (not enough information, yada yada.. GRRR!) to being a contributor in my own right.

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k-man:

cool

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juski:

I use ubuntu, but it's as much of a curse as it is a blessing

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

i use debian

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k-man:

but i have been struggling with a number of driver issues with debian recently

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juski:

I think all linux distros are the same on balance. all have their own advantages & disadvantages.

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k-man:

specificaly lirc in debian is very old

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k-man:

yeah

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juski:

if there weren't so many damn egos involved in open source it'd have progressed a lot further by now

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juski:

but at the same time there'd probably be much less variety too

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k-man:

yeah

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juski:

whatever you could say about Mark Shuttleworth I think he's certainly given linux a kick up the backside :)

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

i think its great

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juski:

ugh. yet another new channel on Freeview damnit.. "Nuts TV will air daily between 9pm and 1am from September 12, offering 'lads' programming and interactivity. Themes undertaken by the channel will include girls, sport, entertainment, gadgets, cars and news"

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juski:

like there's not already enough statistically muxed crap

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k-man:

what is freeview?

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juski:

freeview is FTA digital TV in the UK

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hads:

DVB broadcast in the UK and NZ

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k-man:

is it the same in nz as uk? or just the same name?

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juski:

31 TV channels (or so) in the space normally occupied by 5 channels, thanks to the miracle of mpeg2

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k-man:

and why don't we have it in Australia?

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hads:

Just the same name.

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juski:

you've got free to view digital TV in Aus

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juski:

and you guys got HD too

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

thats true

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hads:

No HD here yet. Word is it's going to be h264

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juski:

granted only mpeg2 HD (we'll no doubt get HD in h.264)

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k-man:

what is h.264?

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k-man:

is it good?

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juski:

hads: it might even be dvb-t2 when we get it too :-\

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k-man:

is that good or bad?

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hads:

k-man: Google will tell you

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juski:

h.264 allows more compression, to cram more into a given space. trouble is, decoding h.264 is a much bigger burden on a CPU than mpeg2 is. Much, much bigger

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hads:

juski: I won't get decent DVB-T reception here so I'll be stuck with DVB-S SD

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k-man:

juski, oh, i see

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juski:

hads: come the analogue switchoff ;)

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k-man:

juski, but is there open decoders for it?

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juski:

k-man: yeah, and now ffmpeg is going properly multithreaded, we linux bods will be able to use dual (or more) cores to help

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juski:

by the time we get FTA HD in the UK, maybe nvidia will be supporting hardware decoding of h.264 on their cards in linux, as they do in windows

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juski:

there are already a couple of cards available that do the same job as that hardware mpeg2 decoder – only for h.264 HDTV – we might start seeing some with linux support soonish

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juski:

either way, things are looking more rosy now

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k-man:

juski, i doubt it

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k-man:

nvidia are pretty crap at supporting their cards under linux imho

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k-man:

maybe intel will have some video cards with OS drivers by then

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hads:

Umm. Really?

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juski:

k-man: nvidia have much better support than ati

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k-man:

juski, doesn't mean its good

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k-man:

i hate nvidia for only releasing binary drivers

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juski:

the rumour goes that Intel are planning to support a good amount of video decoding in their next-generation open source drivers

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juski:

k-man: as if anybody in the oss community knows enough about nvidia's own hardware to be much use anyway ;)

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juski:

if you don't know how stuff inside works, you can't help much with the drivers

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hads:

Sure, they're binary but it's pretty decent support really.

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juski:

they break stuff, they fix stuff. they're ok on blanace

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k-man:

juski, yeah and for not releasing specs so people can write their own drivers

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k-man:

juski, but really, there is no alternative

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k-man:

so we have to live with it

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juski:

k-man: there are some intellectual property issues there. they don't always develop their own hardware, so they have to live by the licensor's restrictions

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k-man:

but they could choose not to use that encumbered hardware

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k-man:

or not signe those agreements

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juski:

IP issues are rife in consumer electronics these days. companies offer an easy way out to get a feature, to save development time & money

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hads:

This discussion isnt going anywhere.

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k-man:

no

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k-man:

its not

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k-man:

i have voiced my greivance with nvidia

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k-man:

i'll shut up now :)

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juski:

for $15,000 or so you can get a development kit & everything you need to make your own product which needs virtually no development effort compared to designing a product from scratch

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juski:

that, of course, comes with limitations attached – which is one of the things that has held ivtv back

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k-man:

right

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juski:

it's also why there aren't linux drivers for every single MCE compatible tuner card

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juski:

such as ATI's theater range, and nvidia's own nvtv gear

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juski:

they don't make the hardware encoder, and aren't allowed to disclose the driver

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juski:

it's very common. look for the datasheet of the cx23416 as used on a lot of pvr cards. all you get from a website is a 2 page pdf with block diagrams. to get the full datasheet with details of registers & example driver code you need to pay & sign a tight NDA. phone conexant & ask to be sent a datasheet & their sales guys ring you back saying "what have you asked for? it's caused a major stir here, they want to send a

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juski:

that last bit is from my own experience btw

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juski:

I thought I'd try & help the driver guys by getting a datasheet by pulling some strings. those strings have some very heavy weights attached to them, as it turned out

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juski:

it's also one of the issues the designers of the Neuros OSD device have ran into. Their hardware drivers aren't all open source yet because of stuff like that, but the chip manufacturers they're working with are being very receptive apparently

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juski:

anyway what I'm saying is that it's not just as simple as nvidia clamming shut & not unleashing the driver source on the community ;)

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juski:

for Intel it's a different matter no doubt – they either develop more of the stuff themselves or just have a lot more clout when it comes to contracts

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** Ribs has got the ps3 to act as a very nice frontend, using the game os :D **

[07:57:43]

Ribs:

would people be interested in that, on the wiki?

[07:58:00]

Ribs:

I know there is a ps3 page to do it within Linux on the ps3, but that kinda sucks with access to the graphics chip

[08:00:02]

juski:

Ribs: if it ain't already documented, go for it :)

[08:00:15]

Ribs:

aye

[08:00:22]

Ribs:

it's just access what the backend creates though

[08:00:29]

Ribs:

it's not running the proper frontend on the ps3

[08:00:34]

Ribs:

that's why it may be 'off topic'

[08:00:59]

juski:

it's related to mythtv enough I think

[08:01:03]

Ribs:

cool

[08:01:09]

Ribs:

I'm refine the process a bit

[08:01:20]

Ribs:

then get down to the big task to remembering and documenting what I've done :)

[08:25:34]

pat_:

what's the command to start mythfrontend using the qt painter?

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juski:

mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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pat_:

(overriding what is set in the database)

[08:25:59]

pat_:

I couldn't find that documented anywhere

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juski:

mythfrontend --help

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Ribs:

hey juski, is it possible to just play around with my own wiki page?

[08:32:04]

Ribs:

and, like, publish it only when I'm ready?

[08:32:10]

Ribs:

or is it always publish straight away?

[08:32:20]

juski:

Ribs: you can preview changes as much as you like

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Ribs:

say I want to save the page and come back to it tomorrow

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Ribs:

I don't want people seeing unfinished crap

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juski:

it's not really meant for that

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

I'll put a 'unfinished' notice on, I guess

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juski:

pat_: it's not documented anywhere, well it wasn't. but it is now! http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Override_settings :)

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Ribs:

:D

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juski:

our CEO at work really loves wikis. our wiki is now starting to overtake email

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Ribs:

juski, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PS3_GameOS

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Ribs:

my first wiki page :)

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juski:

yay :)

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Ribs:

juski, I'm having problems here

[09:52:45]

Ribs:

I'm trying to get mythtv to convert stuff into proper mpeg2

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hads:

Proper?

[09:53:00]

Ribs:

yeah

[09:53:07]

Ribs:

I'm telling it to transcode

[09:53:13]

Ribs:

whatever I pick, it gives me .nuv files

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Ribs:

which the ps3 doesn't like, even when renamed

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hads:

What capture source?

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Ribs:

dvb-t

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Ribs:

the ps3 can play the original files sometimes

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hads:

Shouldn't it be MPEG2 anyway?

[09:53:52]

Ribs:

but I need it to play them all the time

[09:53:55]

juski:

Ribs: use 'lossless transcode'

[09:53:59]

Ribs:

so I need the non standard stuff removed

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Ribs:

hads, mythtv adds it's own stuff to the files

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juski:

lossless transcoding turns recordings into (more or less) regular mpeg2

[09:54:23]

Ribs:

it confuses other media players

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juski:

Ribs: myth doesn't add anything

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hads:

Not if it's an MPEG2 stream.

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juski:

myth just takes the mpeg2 transport stream & puts it on disk

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

so why am I having issues displaying those files?

[09:54:58]

hads:

So it's gonna be the stream if anything.

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juski:

the transport streams usually have nasties like a/v offsets & crud

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Dagmar:

Because it's a dinky little player

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juski:

but not once you put them through a lossless transcode ;)

[09:55:14]

Ribs:

I see

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** Ribs tries that now **

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juski:

lossless transcoding remultiplexes the primary audio & video streams together

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Ribs:

you say "more or less"... what's left in there?

[09:57:13]

juski:

no idea, but after a lossless transcode there are def. no issues with playback in other players as far as I know

[09:57:13]

Dagmar:

Nothing

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juski:

it's basically turning an mpeg2 TS into mpeg2 PS

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Ribs:

okay

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Ribs:

that's better than the 'proper' transcode I was doing before

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Ribs:

less cpu used :)

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juski:

minus 2nd audio, MHEG crap & subtitle streams

[09:58:11]

Dagmar:

guest76: There is a more useful option than that

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juski:

you might find that lossless transcoding still fails sometimes though – such as when the number of audio streams changes in the recording. not much you can do about that other than bob the file through ffmpeg

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Dagmar:

I don't think there's much risk of that with most broadcast recordings.

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Dagmar:

DVB maybe, but not analog

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Ribs:

hrm

[10:03:13]

Ribs:

ps3 says it's corrupt

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Ribs:

yet mplayer has no problem

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Ribs:

grrr :/

[10:04:11]

Dagmar:

I told you it was a dinky player

[10:05:09]

Dagmar:

It's not in Sony's financial interests for you to play "just any" video file

[10:05:19]

Ribs:

it's odd how it works fine (most of the time) with the normal files

[10:05:42]

Ribs:

so what breaks with the lossless transcode?

[10:05:50]

Dagmar:

beg pardon?

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Ribs:

well, it works fine with the 'raw' files that mythtv produces, most of the time

[10:07:23]

Ribs:

so I figured transcode would fix it all the time

[10:07:32]

Ribs:

but... hrmm

[10:07:40]

Dagmar:

fft

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juski:

when the number of streams in the recording changes, it can break the transcode – i.e. it can fail

[10:08:04]

juski:

it might have already been fixed I dunno

[10:08:15]

Dagmar:

Let's get something straight... were you using `transcode` or were you using the lossless transcoder function for commercial cutting that MythTV uses?

[10:08:20]

juski:

doesn't affect ffmpeg as far as I know

[10:08:37]

juski:

it's mythreplex that fails IIRC

[10:09:07]

juski:

Dagmar: the lossless transcoder has uses other than commercial cutting – like cleaning up dvb recordings for one thing

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markk_:

Ribs: any reason to use ushare rather than inbuilt upnp server?

[10:10:23]

Ribs:

needs to be dnla

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Ribs:

otherwise nothing plays at all

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Ribs:

Dagmar, I'm not commercial cutting

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Dagmar:

That's not what I asked you.

[10:11:38]

Dagmar:

You need to focus on answering questions accurately, or forming complete and concise sentences.

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Ribs:

I'm telling mythtv to transcode each recording

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markk_:

Ribs: works for me. What's your source(s)?

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Ribs:

I ticked the lossless option on the profile

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Dagmar:

Ribs: OKay, so you're *not* using transcode then

[10:12:37]

Ribs:

and, well, that's all I know about it, really. I'm not an expert on these things

[10:12:51]

Dagmar:

transcode is a utility EXTERNAL and SEPARATE from MythTV.

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Ribs:

when I do use transcode, mythtv creates nuv files, and I don't know what they are

[10:13:12]

Ribs:

Dagmar, so why is the option called 'transcode' when it's not transcoding?

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Dagmar:

You are NOT USING TRANSCODE THEN

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Ribs:

You don't have to shout, I can read

[10:13:35]

Dagmar:

No, you apparently can't.

[10:13:45]

Dagmar:

Nouns and verbs are two different things.

[10:13:50]

Ribs:

Dagmar, if you're just going to insult me, don't bother

[10:13:57]

Dagmar:

Then learn to speak English.

[10:14:03]

Ribs:

I can speak English

[10:14:06]

Dagmar:

Bullshit.

[10:14:08]

Ribs:

but there we go

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Ribs:

markk_, the source recordings are dvb-t

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Dagmar:

If you did, you'd know why there's a difference between saying "I transcoded the recordings" and "I used transcode to convert the recordings"

[10:14:34]

Ribs:

I'm not too sure why the ps3 is barfing on these converted files

[10:14:50]

Ribs:

Dagmar, the option is called "transcode" within mythtv...

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markk_:

are you running svn head or .20-fixes?

[10:15:02]

Ribs:

therefore, I say I'm "transcodeing"

[10:15:06]

Dagmar:

So where should I be seeing that on my screen?

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Ribs:

markk_, fixes, I think

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Ribs:

whatever ubuntu supplies

[10:15:12]

Dagmar:

...the word "transcode"

[10:15:34]

Dagmar:

Again, you don't understand English.

[10:15:45]

Ribs:

Dagmar, seriously. I don't care if you think I'm an idiot, if you're going to insult me, I'm not going to waste my time. I'm just trying to solve a problem and asking for help.

[10:15:54]

markk_:

Ribs: that's probably the issue – svn has a number of changes.

[10:16:07]

Dagmar:

...and you're not even attempting to listen to anyone telling you you're making it hard to understand what you're talking about

[10:16:17]

markk_:

still not perfect (no sound sometimes etc) but mostly works

[10:16:27]

Dagmar:

Ribs: Juski already told you one possible cause for the failure

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Ribs:

markk_, I'm using the svn, it seems

[10:16:47]

Dagmar:

If you want to know what's wrong with your recordings, I suggest you make with the Googling and learn all the ins and outs of the mpeg container format

[10:17:13]

Dagmar:

Obviously, the recordings are still quite fine enough if mplayer will still play them.

[10:17:27]

Dagmar:

Your problem isn't with MythTV. Your problem is with Sony's substandard media player.

[10:19:05]

Dagmar:

I've yet to have anything fail to play the mpeg files the "lossless transcoder" option produces

[10:19:37]

Dagmar:

...but like juski said, if the number of audio streams present changes in the middle of a recording, myth's remuxer will *fail*

[10:25:15]

juski:

I prefer to say "it's not unknown for a transcode to fail" ;)

[10:25:56]

Ribs:

so for things like subtitles, etc... are those stored in the stream itself?

[10:26:04]

juski:

yes

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juski:

rubbish containers have resulted in the need for separate subtitle files

[10:26:40]

juski:

rubbish containers, like wmv & avi :D

[10:27:03]

Ribs:

I see

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Ribs:

mpeg supports that properly?

[10:27:17]

juski:

yes

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Dagmar:

F**k. Some kid in another channel was quoting Steve Gibson

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Dagmar:

Why, oh why didn't we just have that man killed back in 1995

[10:27:43]

juski:

it's how dvb works. each transponder/multiplex is just one big f.o. mpeg stream

[10:28:01]

** juski googles **

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Ribs:

right

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juski:

ahh that steve gibson

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Ribs:

so maybe if I just encode from mpeg2 to mpeg2 again, in theory I'll loose a bit of quality, but I'll have a flawless file at the end?

[10:29:16]

juski:

Ribs: it won't lose any quality

[10:29:34]

juski:

all the 'lossless' transcode does, when you're not cutting – is remultiplex the audio & video

[10:29:53]

Ribs:

yeah, lossless doesn't seem to work

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Ribs:

I'm thinking of using ffmpeg or something

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juski:

ffmpeg -i $somefile -acodec copy -vcodec copy $someoutputfile should do it

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Ribs:

I see

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Ribs:

thanks juski

[10:30:47]

juski:

might still not work. the lameness of some media players knows no bounds

[10:31:13]

Dagmar:

The future is dour. This wouldn't be the first complaint I've heard about the PS3's media player

[10:31:34]

Ribs:

juski, I've just seen a load of 'junk in packet' messages

[10:31:45]

Ribs:

this might be the cause of this silent stream :)

[10:31:56]

juski:

Ribs: if you've got myth set to record all the dvb junk you'll see stuff like that

[10:32:06]

laga:

juski: nice, you put google ads von your site

[10:32:11]

Ribs:

there is a way of unjunking?

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juski:

you can change the recording profiles to only allow video or video&audio through

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Ribs:

oh yeah, seen that

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juski:

laga: figured I might aswell try to make some more cash from teh intrarwebbies

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Ribs:

mythtv plays it okay

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juski:

Ribs: of course it does! mythtv has a very capable player :D

[10:33:03]

Ribs:

it's just mplayer and the ps3 which have silent playback

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Ribs:

juski, well yeah, it has to deal with a lot of crap in the airwaves :)

[10:33:49]

juski:

I'm really happy myth no longer automagically re-adds dvb channels you once deleted

[10:34:31]

juski:

seeing those damn shopping & musak channels come back was a pain

[10:34:43]

juski:

esp. since the 'visible' filter didn't always work

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Ribs:

yeeehaw

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Ribs:

we have sound on the silent file!! :D

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janneg:

juski: huh,if the scanner doesn't readds deleted channels, it's broken

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juski:

janneg: no not the scanner :) this'd happen in the course of normal mythbackend operation!

[10:36:25]

juski:

new channels were added automatically & it was a pain

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janneg:

ah, I've not read enough context

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juski:

part of me still misses having to enter PIDs.. frontier days :-P

[10:38:09]

janneg:

I'm not but I can still remember

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juski:

to the untrained eye mythtv might seem like it's not come along much in the last couple of years – even in the last year but I fully appreciate all the work that goes in. I don't often use the word 'awesome' but it applies in this case

[10:42:58]

juski:

well, much as I'd love to spend my birthday wrangling xml files, it's time to go & do stuff

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Ribs:

juski, ffmpeg fixed the unplayable files as well

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Ribs:

this is perfect, thank you! :)

[10:45:57]

Ribs:

now I need to script everything to tie it together

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markk_:

Ribs: wouldn't it just be easier to run mythtv on your ps3 :)

[10:48:10]

Ribs:

markk_, Sadly not... Sony crippled access to the ps3's graphics chip

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Ribs:

everything is painfully slow and choppy

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Ribs:

plus you have to boot into Linux... wait for everything to load.... etc. etc.

[10:48:58]

Ribs:

this way, you can just go to "Videos", find what you want, and play

[10:49:20]

markk_:

Ribs: I posted some patches a few weeks ago – offloads all the hard work to the spus

[10:49:34]

markk_:

works fine with anything up to 1080p mpeg2

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** Ribs blinks **

[10:49:52]

Ribs:

damn

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Ribs:

heh

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Ribs:

either way, this is quicker than Linux

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foo8ar:

I have a problem with my channel table. After i did run the mythfilldb script I have all the channels twice and the frontend complains about locked channels.

[10:54:57]

Dagmar:

...not to mention, just like with the Xbox, you have to break the law to boot Linux on the PS3

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laga:

Dagmar: AFAIK, linux is officially supported by sony

[10:56:12]

Dagmar:

Really? I thought they still had to sploit the bootloade

[10:56:16]

Dagmar:

Nice

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laga:

no

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laga:

you just insert a distro like yellowdog and there you go

[10:59:27]

foo8ar:

can I just drop the table or are there scripts to do the cleaning?

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juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual: . . . _Maintenance

[11:11:20]

laga:

juski: happy birthday :)

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foo8ar:

thx

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juski:

cheers laga. still don't feel old yet

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jduggan__:

how old

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jduggan__:

(if you dont mind me asking)

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juski:

35 today

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jduggan__:

ah

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juski:

you might not think it, the way I go on sometimes :-P

[11:17:36]

juski:

I just put that down to my primadonna temperament!

[11:18:03]

Dagmar:

Quick! Time to rush out and buy a Mini Cooper and find a 22 year old girl to date

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juski:

that's just it – I don't feel middle aged

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Dagmar:

My thinking is I'll feel middle aged when I reach the halfway point for when I plan on dying

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juski:

I'm past that point already ;)

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Dagmar:

...which will maybe happen somewhere around 2230

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laga:

Dagmar: is that military time or a year?

[11:19:15]

juski:

I really do hope I die before I get old, or at least that any kids we have give a shit about me

[11:19:19]

Dagmar:

laga: That's a year

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laga:

ah.

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juski:

I've seen care homes over here. they're not pretty places

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jduggan__:

haha

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Dagmar:

I'm not particularly sure if it'll even matter tho, since it shouldn't be much of a problem to reinstntate me from backups by then

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jduggan__:

nod

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juski:

Dagmar: just cat the log of all the irc channels you frequent into an atom smasher :-P

[11:20:50]

Dagmar:

That wouldn't capture the piquant casualness with which I occasionally pick people up and shake them

[11:21:16]

juski:

yeah anyway when I go I hope I go with all my faculties. I can't see any dignity in needing some underpaid 17 year old Polish girl to wipe my arse

[11:21:40]

imperfect-:

dude.

[11:21:44]

imperfect-:

she's 17.

[11:21:47]

imperfect-:

and she's wiping your ass.

[11:21:48]

imperfect-:

so

[11:21:49]

imperfect-:

hot.

[11:21:53]

Ribs:

lol

[11:21:55]

Dagmar:

If I must go, I intend to go with not only my faculties, but the faculties of as many other people as I can get

[11:22:10]

juski:

lol Dagmar

[11:22:38]

Dagmar:

If I can function on 20 hits of LSD, then I suspect senility will be a cakewalk

[11:23:03]

juski:

the alternative to dying in good shape is ending up smelling like some of the people I met the other week at LRL

[11:23:08]

imperfect-:

I submit to you that function should be used in "quotes".

[11:23:49]

juski:

is there a faq somewhere which answers the question "why do some geeks stink so bad?"

[11:24:12]

Dagmar:

juski: I think the answer "too much time spent alone in the lab" just about covers it

[11:24:21]

imperfect-:

juski: they're subleasing olfaction for better response times in counterstrike?

[11:25:10]

juski:

hrm. there's still no excuse

[11:25:54]

juski:

puzzlingly I spoke with one such geek who was in the UK with his girlfriend. she either had no sense of smell or just very low standards. there might be hope for us all yet

[11:27:47]

imperfect-:

some UK people are scary looking

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juski:

it's all that inbreeding we do

[11:29:03]

imperfect-:

you from UK?

[11:29:09]

juski:

yeah

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imperfect-:

You got normal teeth?

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imperfect-:

Cuz like

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juski:

ish

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imperfect-:

I see some people on tv from Uk

[11:29:33]

imperfect-:

and I'm totally like

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juski:

not filmstar grade but jees

[11:29:48]

imperfect-:

htf did your teeth grow in at that angle

[11:30:00]

juski:

because dental plans have yet to catch on in the UK

[11:30:05]

imperfect-:

Yeah I dunno

[11:30:13]

imperfect-:

Everything else you guys have is so cool

[11:30:16]

imperfect-:

(the accent)

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thoraxe:

orthodontics in the US is not typically well covered by dental plans

[11:30:28]

juski:

and kids would rather have crooked teeth than look like dorks for their formative years I spose

[11:30:45]

thoraxe:

at best you're looking at 50% on something extraordinarily expensive anyway

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imperfect-:

Yea

[11:31:00]

thoraxe:

so i'm not sure that dental plans are the primary reason that people are doing orthodontics in the us

[11:31:01]

imperfect-:

I was gonna say

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imperfect-:

I didnt go to the dentist much as a kid

[11:31:15]

imperfect-:

I've got all my teeth and they're not all straight or anything

[11:31:16]

imperfect-:

but damn

[11:31:23]

juski:

we brits are known for bad teeth anyway – it's a national trait

[11:31:27]

imperfect-:

I mean there are bad examples here in the US as well

[11:31:32]

thoraxe:

juski – i wonder why that is though

[11:31:34]

juski:

meet cleetus

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imperfect-:

really? See, that I didn't know.

[11:31:44]

imperfect-:

I saw this thing call

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thoraxe:

is it because you are exceptionally lacking in orthodontics or is it because of all the terrible food

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imperfect-:

A Evening with Kevin Smith: evening harder

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thoraxe:

;)

[11:31:58]

imperfect-:

and part of the DVD was in London

[11:32:04]

imperfect-:

and some of those people had the most fux0red teeth.

[11:32:09]

imperfect-:

I mean it totally shocked me

[11:32:14]

juski:

imperfect-: that's their perogative

[11:32:28]

thoraxe:

the worst teeth i've encountered was on indian grad students while I was at columbia

[11:32:29]

imperfect-:

juski: Aye. Agreed. =)

[11:32:38]

thoraxe:

there was one guy who had an extra row of teeth growing out of his gums at strange angles

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juski:

we just don't tend to judge by appearances as fast as you lot

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imperfect-:

It's not a judgement on the people ;)

[11:33:02]

juski:

we're prolly not quite as materialistic either ;)

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imperfect-:

It's honestly a "what causes that to happen"

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imperfect-:

materalistic

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imperfect-:

I can get behind

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imperfect-:

We're some greed fucks over here.

[11:33:20]

juski:

shallow, also ;)

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** thoraxe changes #mythv-users to #mythtv-dentists **

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imperfect-:

I think shallow might be pushing it ;)

[11:33:56]

Esine:

hey how come MythTV doesn't support playing files with unicode characters on them?

[11:34:00]

imperfect-:

If you look at hollywood as your exemplar, yeah

[11:34:16]

juski:

though I dunno what's happened to the buck-toothed high hairlined (think not forehead but FIVEhead) women I used to see in my hometown. last time I visited it seemed to have had a big influx of hotties

[11:34:47]

GreyFoxx:

Your standards have lowered ?

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juski:

imperfect-: that's the image you guys project onto the world ;)

[11:34:52]

GreyFoxx:

:)

[11:34:52]

juski:

GreyFoxx: lol maybe

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imperfect-:

juski: Yeah. it's pretty sad.

[11:35:34]

imperfect-:

juski: I honestly don't wanna bomb anyone. ;)

[11:35:56]

juski:

hey y'all could overthrow George if you really wanted to

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imperfect-:

I didn't vote for him ;)

[11:36:22]

juski:

I've never spoke to anybody, online or otherwise – who did

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GreyFoxx:

Noone admits it :)

[11:37:37]

juski:

I voted for Blair. he was the lesser of many evils

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juski:

don't think I'll vote for Gordon Brown though. Scottish penny-pinching c***

[11:37:37]

juski:

ahem

[11:39:25]

juski:

only the latter 2 parts of that last sentence are a slight on his character, btw. I don't have anything against Scots per se

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jduggan__:

lol @ penny-pinching

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juski:

anyway. time to go out

[11:52:16]

Esine:

does mythweather work for you? I'm getting a weird error here

[11:52:42]

Esine:

it prints "weatherObj{ alert( " and something after that (it's cut out) where it should print the temperature info

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laga:

no

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laga:

it's broken.

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Esine:

ok... well is there a fix on SVN or a separate patch then?

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Hoxzer:

,/win 13

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tm_:

hi

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Paladine:

I appear to be having a problem

[12:15:55]

Paladine:

mythtv says it is using the device for recording so I can't watch livetv, but there is nothing recording

[12:19:01]

Paladine:

ahh got it

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Paladine:

my webcam stole /dev/video0

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planktonboy:

ah

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Paladine:

had to go into mythtv-setup and change it to /dev/video1

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Paladine:

laters

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Ribs:

juski, can I put pictures on the wiki?

[12:43:31]

Dagmar:

Ribs: Yes, the wiki does support images

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HalonChilled:

ok lejon you squad is forming

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laga:

?

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foo8ar:

Q: does myhtv record everything I look at?

[13:13:53]

foo8ar:

or did I hit some setting by mistake?

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otwin:

foo8ar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . n_Live_TV.3F

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foo8ar:

thx

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foo8ar:

can you play vdr recordings on a myth system?

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laga:

why not?

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Cardoe:

So what's the plan with Data Direct goes away?

[13:59:14]

Cardoe:

or there still isn't one?

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zo0m:

all they say is: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/

[14:00:07]

zo0m:

which doesnt have very much info on it either..

[14:00:18]

needinfo:

How do I test to see if the backend is running properly and that my card is OK?

[14:00:34]

Cardoe:

needinfo: watch a show?

[14:00:55]

needinfo:

Can't get anything. No over-the-air or composite input.

[14:01:58]

needinfo:

I am confused over the channel setup and that could be my problem.

[14:02:24]

needinfo:

When I look as status, I see "Tuner 1 not recording"

[14:03:08]

needinfo:

When I select "Watch TV" eventually it will timeout and return to the menu.

[14:03:17]

foo8ar:

laga: perhaps I was not specific in my question. does anyone here have experience in playing vdr files?

[14:03:51]

laga:

foo8ar: how is that questions more specific? :)

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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zo0m:

some of you guys sure have turned bitter over the years :0

[14:06:10]

laga:

zo0m: *shrug* i'm sure he'd get an answer if he asked a *good* question. ;)

[14:08:03]

needinfo:

Alsio, none of the shorcut keys cause any effect when I select "Watch TV".

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needinfo:

This is the start of my fourth day trying to get MythTV installed and working.

[14:10:50]

fryfrog:

needinfo: once you figure it out, you should wipe it and start over. it'll only take you about a day then ;)

[14:10:55]

foo8ar:

why does return a Q with sarcasm?

[14:11:08]

fryfrog:

I've done it so many times I can do it in a few hours

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fryfrog:

why does " " what?

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foo8ar:

i thought people here was interested in *helping* out

[14:11:59]

needinfo:

Problem, I am not getting any farther by myself and am unable to find help!

[14:12:03]

fryfrog:

oh, no most people are bitter and sarcastic due to years of support

[14:12:13]

foo8ar:

but from what i've seen the last days i better be helping myself

[14:12:39]

fryfrog:

needinfo: what type of tv card do you have? what channel listing service?

[14:12:41]

foo8ar:

and shut up asking questions

[14:12:50]

Dagmar:

You might well be

[14:13:02]

Dagmar:

We provide help for people who have hit a technical problem and can't get past it

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fryfrog:

foo8ar: you can do both, help yourself *and* ask questions

[14:13:22]

foo8ar:

well dagmar saw that yesterday

[14:13:26]

foo8ar:

*not*

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Dagmar:

We do not hold people's hands, nor do we read them bedtime stories, nor do we act as a proxy for using search engines

[14:14:06]

needinfo:

Have WinTV-PVR and no listing service.

[14:14:16]

needinfo:

WinTV 150

[14:14:16]

Dagmar:

Most of the time when sarcasm comes into play, you've asked someone to do one of those three things

[14:14:17]

foo8ar:

no that would be evil, right?

[14:14:34]

foo8ar:

you all act like judges in spare time?

[14:14:59]

Dagmar:

No, actually, I cut off people's internet at work, so I don't need to do it in my spare time.

[14:15:03]

zo0m:

lol now you're just being ridiculous

[14:15:10]

fryfrog:

needinfo: and you've confirmed it is working *outside* of myth?

[14:15:18]

Dagmar:

If you have a problem with this, go tell a grown up.

[14:15:25]

foo8ar:

hope you guys have a life beond this........

[14:15:33]

foo8ar:

over and out

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Dagmar:

foo8ar: Cease the trolling

[14:15:39]

zo0m:

foo8ar: it is a work day, some people do work on computers...

[14:15:46]

laga:

foo8ar: no. we're not judging. we just choose the people we want to provide with support. if those people seem to waste our time, then it's very unlikely we're helping them

[14:15:54]

needinfo:

How would I check it outside of Myth?

[14:16:04]

foo8ar:

if you don't like the Q why not pretend it never was spelled?

[14:16:16]

Dagmar:

They DID ignore you.

[14:16:24]

Dagmar:

...and your question was dumb.

[14:16:41]

fryfrog:

needinfo: i'm pretty sure IVTV has been very well documented on how to do this sort of stuff, what distro are you using and what guide(s) are you following?

[14:16:42]

Dagmar:

It takes little to no time to take one of your files, chuck it where MythVideo can see it, and see if it'll play.

[14:16:44]

foo8ar:

well if you have istory in your client you better scroll backwards

[14:17:06]

laga:

foo8ar: yeah, most of us did ignore you. i was trying to make you rephrase your question so that it was worth answering. your question was a meta-question, IMHO. here, read this: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

[14:17:08]

Dagmar:

...but for some reason, you felt other people's time was much less valuable than your own--which is insulting

[14:17:15]

foo8ar:

what's wrong with being helpful and acting nice?

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Dagmar:

Nothing's wrong with it

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foo8ar:

but?

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fryfrog:

it's no fun!

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Dagmar:

...but to the degree you want to take it it means spending all day wiping people's asses because they can't be bothered to reach for the roll.

[14:17:45]

laga:

foo8ar: people don't appreciate it *shrug*

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foo8ar:

dagmar and you were busy?

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laga:

foo8ar: and where did i reply with sarcasm?

[14:18:19]

foo8ar:

why ever bother this discussion then?

[14:18:31]

zren:

I got many films I want to have infos and pics from imdb, clicking every single sucks, is there a way to run the script for all?

[14:18:45]

zren:

thanks in advance

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laga:

foo8ar: you started it.

[14:19:41]

laga:

we've had this discussion one too many times already.

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needinfo:

Thank you, I shall research IVTV and return when done.

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laga:

foo8ar: a question like "does anyone here have experience in playing VDR files?" is useless. do you want everyone in here type "yes" or "no"? and even if you knew, it wouldn't help you.

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Dagmar:

foo8ar: Do you have *any* explanation for why you were apparently unable to at least TRY playing your own file?

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fryfrog:

needinfo: you didn't say what distro or guides you are using, i might be able to point you to a good one

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jams:

zren- there was a util called batchimdb not for sure of it's status

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needinfo:

Feisty and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . nd_Desktop_O

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zren:

jams, thanks, sure about the name? google doesn't find any information

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jams:

zren- try searching on the knoppmyth forum

[14:26:39]

jams:

imdbbatchgrabber.pl

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Dagmar:

Amazing how there's no answer for why he couldn't just _try_ to play the file

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zren:

thanks! thats it!

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fryfrog:

needinfo: that is a very detailed GUI install :)

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needinfo:

Am now working my way through testing under IVTV. Thanks for the direction to go! Maybe that was what I needed to make some progress.

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varun_:

I have a rear projection TV whose resolution is 1280x720. When I play movies that have a 1280x720 resolution (the res is reported by mplayer) they don't fill up the screen. They appear shorter and wider than 1280x720. Is that normal? If the res is the same as my TV, shouldn't it fill it up perfectly?

[14:40:07]

dr_willis:

sounds like some overscan stuff to me.

[14:40:28]

dr_willis:

but i dont have such a tv, and no personal esleriance with those fanccy thing.. :) ive just read a lot of docs and forums posts.

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varun_:

dr_willis: the reason I doubted that is it overscan, was that it seems a more severe. The height of the video is about 1/3rd of the screen, and the width is about 7% larger (ballpark eyeballed numbers)

[14:42:36]

dr_willis:

Hmm...

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dr_willis:

Interesting..

[14:43:00]

dr_willis:

Id have to say check the forums. They will proberly have a few huge threadfs on this. :)

[14:43:32]

dr_willis:

if its a projecton tv.. Hmm thats an older tv aint it? not even HighDef?

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fryfrog:

varun_: is the aspect ratio maintained? or is everyone real fat/skinny?

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fryfrog:

"projection" has nothing to do with being HD or not

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fryfrog:

and if the resolution is 1280x720 like he says, that is 720p which is HD

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varun_:

fryfrog: hm.....good question......let me check real quick

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fryfrog:

sounds like my parents TV

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varun_:

fryfrog: it's a samsung dlp

[14:44:52]

fryfrog:

ah, i *think* my parents have a mitsubishi

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fryfrog:

man, i can't believe how light those things are. 63" and its like 50lbs

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fryfrog:

my 30" *tube* is like 125+lbs

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varun_:

fryfrog: the aspect ratio looks like it's being maintained

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fryfrog:

ah :/

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fryfrog:

and *other* stuff (like recorded shows) does fit the screen

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varun_:

fryfrog: I don't have any recorded shows......I'm just using this to watch movies :-\

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fryfrog:

ahhhh

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varun_:

fryfrog: pastebin.com/d5ea55323 is the (relevant?) output from mplayer

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fryfrog:

can you use the "internal" player

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varun_:

sure one sec

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varun_:

fryfrog: what is the player command for internal? :-$

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janneg:

internal

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varun_:

fryfrog: yea I had to capitalize the I.....lol.....

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varun_:

fryfrog: still the same

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noddan:

is there a simple way to auto-execute a script when starting mythfrontend?

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cesman:

what window manager are you using?

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jduggan__:

whereever you call mythfrontend from can call it also..?

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cesman:

script up something that runs that script then the frontend

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fryfrog:

yeah, thats what i do

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fryfrog:

i have a cron job that checks every minute to see if mythfrontend is running, if it isn't it starts it

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noddan:

okay

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SiD3WiNDR:

I should do the same for my backend

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noddan:

I've just written a perl script that connects my home automation systems ir-recievers to the telnet socket of mythtv

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noddan:

it would be convenient if it always started a few seconds after starting the frontend since it requires the frontend to be running. I'll start hacking :p

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needinfo:

How do I switch to the composite input on the WinTV 150 card with IVTV? Everything I try gives "command not found".

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SiD3WiNDR:

what are you trying then?

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fryfrog:

you might need to install the ivtv utils

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fryfrog:

ivtvtune.pl i think?

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needinfo:

ivtv-ctl and v4l2-ctl ivtvctl v4l2ctl v4l-ctl v4lctl , etc

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needinfo:

I will get ivtv utils and try again. Thanks!

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SiD3WiNDR:

I have /usr/local/bin/ivtvctl from the ivtv driver

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needinfo:

I have made it as far as recording static and playing it back with my card.

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fryfrog:

score!

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fryfrog:

so, why don't you have a channel listing/lineup?

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fryfrog:

how are you going to get data about shows/channels?

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needinfo:

To start, I only want to use as capture to record from my camcorder and satellite.

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fryfrog:

well, satalite you can do listings. are you in the US?

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needinfo:

Now I have ivtvctl but have not found the command to switch to composite.

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fryfrog:

its been a while, what does --help show?

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needinfo:

Yes, US. But I still use the Big Ugly 10 foot dish with about 4 channels.

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

FTA stuff?

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needinfo:

No. With the BUD, I can still buy channels a-la-carte.

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needinfo:

I CAN get some weird stuff by FTA off of C-Band though.

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needinfo:

The command is ivtvctl -d <dev> . However, I don't what device to specify. Am searching for that info.

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kormoc:

needinfo, the /dev node path

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needinfo:

Under /dev, I have video0, video24, video32. Does this refer to the different inputs to the card or different devices?

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alieas:

needinfo: /dev/video0 is all the inputs

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alieas:

needinfo: you have to find out what the "display info" command is and then you can go through the -d #, devices until you get the right now

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kormoc:

needinfo, they're for different output color spaces, myth only supports video0

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kormoc:

afaik

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alieas:

I recorded something off a PVR Composite input the other day (slideshow from my camera), and used v4lctl to change the device, but recorded from video0. At first I was trying to record video24 and video32 which did not work (obviously)

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foo8ar:

i've made a scheduled recording. from what i can see the recorded file is the recordings folder together with its png file. i don't understand where to find it within the frontend. other files recorded due to the fact i was watching a channel shows up in the "browser". am i missing something obvious?

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kormoc:

foo8ar, did it have guide data (like a title?)

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foo8ar:

yep, the simpsons

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foo8ar:

and i can see that it probably was recorded because it shows up in the "previous recordings" menu

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kormoc:

check your filters?

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foo8ar:

filters?

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kormoc:

recorded tv has filters to hide and show programs

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foo8ar:

I found out that I was only viewing "live TV", thanks alot.

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Dibblah:

Anyone using a C2D mobile for a frontend?

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Dibblah:

("Merom", etc..)

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fryfrog:

not meh!

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Dibblah:

For a specific reason, or just because you can't get your hands on the kit? :)

[16:13:37]

fryfrog:

oh, cause i'm poor :)

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fryfrog:

my FE is a 3200+ :)

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Dibblah:

Mine is a Geode 1750.

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fryfrog:

thats one of those low power cpus, no?

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Dibblah:

ie a power reduced Athlon-XP.

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fryfrog:

ah

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Dibblah:

I can get a laptop C2D setup for Â£125.

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Dibblah:

But I need to know real-world power consumption, which SPCR hasn't bloody done on the Merom.

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Dibblah:

"laptop" as in SO-DDR memory, S478 mini-atx motherboard + mobile chip, not a real laptop.

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. 42w for a _system_ according to SPCR forums.

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Dibblah:

(idle)

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Dibblah:

Including disk, external vid card,...

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laga:

GreyFoxx: thanks for the i420hack database setting :)

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laga:

GreyFoxx: you don't happen to have an updated iegd patch for 2.6.22 lying around? ;)

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juski:

re

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laga:

juski: i'm messing with the s100 again. it's looking good so far

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juski:

goodo :)

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juski:

I forget about my two s100 boxes all the time

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juski:

too busy with other $stuff

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alieas:

Hey Juski I have a question about the h264-mt patch

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juski:

er.. what's that got to do with me?!

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alieas:

Its been playing back h264 better than anything I've used yet, but top still shows it using only one core.. is that typical?

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juski:

no idea.

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alieas:

sorry if it doesn't have anything to do with you, I thought you had involvment with that

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juski:

I'm a theme developer, one who submits the occasional few lines of code once in a blue moon. what would I have to do with that bit of code? ;)

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Dibblah:

alieas: Yes, it's typical.

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juski:

I've heard tell that another ffmpeg sync is going to be needed soon anyway, so that might improve things ever more

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alieas:

Dibblah: janneg said you can adjust the number of threads it spawns, do you know how to do that?

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Dibblah:

There are _some_ things parallelised. And it depends very much on the source.

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Dibblah:

As in the broadcast source.

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alieas:

juski: and your themes kick ass too

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Dibblah:

janneg is the expert on the ffmpeg stuff.

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juski:

alieas: thanks. that's the general idea

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juski:

though I might one day do a 'lame-wide' for laughs

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juski:

copy some winamp skin or other.. or maybe a lesser-known xbmc skin lol

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juski:

sods law dictates it'd prolly be the most popular yet though

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laga:

juski: do you still have the .xmodmap for the s100? will trade for a working usb stick image ;)

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juski:

laga: file:///E:/Webpages/juski.co.uk/s100/keycodes.txt at the bottom of the file :)

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juski:

rofl

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juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/s100/keycodes.txt

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juski:

better

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laga:

thanks :)

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juski:

though if the 1st url worked, you'd tell me, right? ;)

[16:50:44]

laga:

of course ;)

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juski:

wow. why didn't somebody buy me this for my birthday? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/25/r2-d2_multimedia/

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janneg:

alieas: it can't decode all streama with multiple threads

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kormoc:

juski, I

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kormoc:

'd buy you one if you buy me two first! ;)

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alieas:

janneg: x264 .mkv ?

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janneg:

alieas: it depend entirely on the parameters of the h.264 video

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kormoc:

x264 is different then h264, no?

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alieas:

ah, well the patch definately is playing back the video a lot nicer than before

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janneg:

no, it's just the name of the os h264 encoder

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alieas:

Its about as different as DivX and XviD, no?

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kormoc:

gotcha

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juski:

x264 is kinda like trying to dodge a patent lawsuit by changing the name ;)

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juski:

thank $deity for Europe's lack of enforcable software patents!

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janneg:

please tell that frauenhofer, thompson, sisvel, mpegla, ...

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juski:

really? I thought we were safe in Europe

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alieas:

janneg: can you tell me where to adjust max number of threads spawned?

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** juski goes to check film times **

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janneg:

alieas: search for thread_count in libs/libmythtv/avformatdecoder.cpp

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alieas:

thanks

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sege:

does newcamd/card servers work with every dvb-t card or do i have to buy anything special?

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juski:

ugh. Die Hard 4.0 isn't on til 20.40. BUM!

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juski:

sege: don't even go there. not here

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GreyFoxx:

sege: No support for softcams in here

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juski:

"Specifically, the use of softcam to decrypt DVB signals is not a welcome topic in #mythtv-users. This is due to it being a potential DMCA violation. As the main developers of MythTV are in the USA, we must respect their wishes, and keep the legal stink off MythTV caused by these potential DMCA violations. If you wish to discuss the use of softcam, do it elsewhere. You will be kicked if not banned should you persist. You h

[17:02:29]

juski:

from http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC

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sege:

ok sorry sorry =) i jsut want to throw my box away and only use mythtv, maybe i should buy a card working with my card then. sounds easier. =) but its harder to find a card then.

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I did some testslast night and you were right. mplayer was much less

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GreyFoxx:

it's 5–7% different for sdtv, it was like 30% for HDTV

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juski:

GreyFoxx: seems it's different for different folks

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GreyFoxx:

time to compile a profile version and see what's up

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juski:

anyway.. time to scoot

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janneg:

GreyFoxx: without deinterlacer?

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janneg:

release build?

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GreyFoxx:

svn as of 3 days ago, deinterlacing turned on. Never thought to try turning it off. I imagine that would add a load

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janneg:

yeah, I don't think mplayer will deinterlace automatically

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GreyFoxx:

mplayers playback was certainly blurrier and no avsync

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GreyFoxx:

I'll try it without the deinterlacing when I get home

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laga:

GreyFoxx: seen my iegd question? ;)

[17:14:33]

GreyFoxx:

laga: Nope

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laga:

GreyFoxx: well, i thanked your for the database setting you recently added and i was wondering if you had a iegd patch for 26.22 handy

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh no I haven't tried a newer kernel lately :)

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laga:

GreyFoxx: heh, ok :)

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esperegu:

hi@

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esperegu:

anyone around who knows how I can disable AC3 passthrough on my sb live (emu10k1)

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esperegu:

(i want to hear normal output again but since I enabled it with mplayer my sound is gone..... only when using passthrough with a dvd I here sourd)

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S2:

you can disable it in mythtv

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_fjh_:

Hi, I did an apt-get upgrade of my debian/etch system where the mythfrontend is runnign on.

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_fjh_:

Now I get X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8

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_fjh_:

lots of them and a brown/pinkish border with no text instead of the normal menues.

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_fjh_:

Is this a known problem?

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_fjh_:

versions: stdout says: mythfrontend version: 0.20.20060828–3 www.mythtv.org

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_fjh_:

versions: debian says this is ii mythtv-frontend 0.20-svn20070223–0.0 A personal video recorder application (client)

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par-joha:

_fjh_: multiple binaries?

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_fjh_:

par-joha: What are multiple binaries?

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par-joha:

_fjh_: more than one version of the mythtv programs, I mean

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par-joha:

_fjh_: one in /usr/bin and one in /usr/local/bin, for example

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Dagmar:

Yep. That sort of thing will hurt ya

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_fjh_:

par-joha: Only /usr/bin for mythfrontend,mythtv

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Cardoe:

_fjh_: they only bump the mythtv date when there's a change in the libraries API

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Cardoe:

or such

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Cardoe:

the svn checkout date from debian is the date/time they checked it out of svn

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Cardoe:

realistically, debian should use revisions and not date/times

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Cardoe:

since multiple revisions can happen on the same day

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_fjh_:

Cardoe, Cardoe: Thanks, that explains the version dicrepancy.

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Cardoe:

_fjh_: file a bug with Debian regarding the X errors

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Cardoe:

basically they have X library mismatches

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Cardoe:

and are cross-compiling the issues

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Cardoe:

or they're shipping a bad libX11

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Cardoe:

i.e. the issue you're having is entirely unrelated to MythTV

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Cardoe:

and squarely with the X packaging in Debian

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_fjh_:

Cardoe, but why should the only affected program be mythtv?

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Cardoe:

_fjh_: the error you're having is bad messages between the X client and X server

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Cardoe:

in the X protocol

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Cardoe:

Debian linked to wrong stuff

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Cardoe:

I dunno

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Cardoe:

or qt is badly linked

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GodSyn_:

help : internal sound card will only record @ 16 bits when audio_alsa driver wants to record @ 8. is there an easy fix? (lircd problem, I know this is the wrong place, but I cannot find anywhere else for assistance)

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laga:

sound card? lircd?

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laga:

wtf?

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Dibblah:

Yeah, you can, if you're perverted enough.

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Dibblah:

Patient, wasn't he?

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fryfrog:

wait, what is he trying to do?

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fryfrog:

recieve IR over... sound card?

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kormoc:

fryfrog, yes, it's been done before

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fryfrog:

crazy :)

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fryfrog:

guess it maybe looks a little neater than a serial dongle

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fryfrog:

or is useful if you... don't have serial or usb ports maybe

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thostr:

I'm having sound drop out during dvd playback (xine, spdif output), seems to happen more frequently when playing form dvd disc compared to when playing from ripped dvd. any hints?

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thostr:

sound drops out for ~1 second, happens every 3-4–5 minute

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thostr:

anyone experienced this?

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laga:

thostr: the xine people might know better (unless you can reproduce it in mythtv)

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zo0m:

or you see something on the box running very few minutes that might be causing it

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thostr:

been looking for other activities but only by using crude tools such as 'top'

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thostr:

and iostat

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thostr:

iostat baffles me a bit, since it reports activities constantly on the idling box ( mythfrontend only 'user defined' program running)

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thostr:

harddisk activity led flashes every second on a totally idle box, but I guess that may be normal os maintenance stuff going on

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mulletron:

does anyone have any hardware recommendations for tv cards under gnu/linux systems

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par-joha:

mulletron: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware

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mulletron:

thanks a lot

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Dagmar:

mulletron: Note that a PVR-500 is basically a dual tuner PVR-150

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Dagmar:

Another useful thing about a properly-maintained Wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category . . . apture_cards

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mulletron:

haha, yes I've noticed there is a lot of info on there now!

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mulletron:

I am correct in thinking that dvb-t is uk digital terrestrial (bbc brand freeview) ?

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Lorian`:

Hi, something I have been wondering about for a while now, what is the ETA for the next release? Is there an ETA? The last release was September last year and there is no sign of anything happening any time soon. Should I just use the SVN version?

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Lorian`:

mulletron: DVB-T is what it uses, yes

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mulletron:

excellente

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olds:

I have two DVB-S cards in my mythtv box with the same channels on both cards. While watching live tv, when a recording is about to start, it prompts me as to what it should do (record and watch, skip recording, etc), which is fine. But it would be nice if it could attempt to schedule it on the other card if that card is available to record it

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olds:

currently it does not do this, so I have to tell it to record, have it kick me back to the main screen, and then go back into live tv (and it uses the other card)

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Lorian`:

olds: I had that same problem, there is a setting in mythtv-setup somewhere which sets it to prefer the second card when recording stuff

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olds:

well, it shouldn't matter which card I'm on

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olds:

if it CAN schedule it on the other card, it should. imo

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Lorian`:

I agree, it is annoying

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olds:

because what happens is certain people in my house besides myself use the mythtv

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olds:

and they're watching tv

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olds:

and they end up skipping a bunch of stuff I wanted to record

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olds:

even though there's an unused tuner

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Lorian`:

Yep, there's always something which makes my Dad want to get rid of it

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Lorian`:

He never sets anything to record so gets angry when there are no available tuners

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** olds pokes around the code **

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mattwj2005:

hey guys I am trying to learn about Ku FTA in the US

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Cardoe:

Ku FTA?

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olds:

Ku Band Free To Air

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mattwj2005:

yeah

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mattwj2005:

I wish I had a different apartment...

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mattwj2005:

I am facing the wrong direction :(

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olds:

shitty

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mattwj2005:

yeah

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mattwj2005:

I am not sure how my apartment would like a big ole 3 foot dish on my patio anyways :P

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olds:

I live in a house

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mattwj2005:

eventually I'll have my own house....hopefully soon :)

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mattwj2005:

you have a dish?

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juski:

houses rock :)

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cyrexion:

which is more myth-friendly? dish network or directv ?

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mattwj2005:

fta ;)

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olds:

yea, I have a few dishes

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mattwj2005:

what part of the world do you live in?

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olds:

the western part

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mattwj2005:

US?

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olds:

yup

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mattwj2005:

pick up much?

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thostr:

I'm in Norway, we're getting mpeg4 based DVB this year

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olds:

yea

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mattwj2005:

sweet!

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mattwj2005:

you doing DVB-S, C, or T?

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juski:

thostr: h.264 probably. tricky to display on a pc – more so than mpeg2

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thostr:

just hope I can find tuners for my myth system

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olds:

there really isn't any DVB-T in north america that I know of

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olds:

DVB-S

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bill2or3:

nope.

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mattwj2005:

yeah we are all ATSC

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cyrexion:

can someone explain to me what "enable/disable motion" does in mythtv? I select 'enable' and nothing happens...

[21:02:44]

Dibblah:

Anyone else noticing something very wrong with position map generation?

[21:03:00]

mattwj2005:

only DVB in the US is version S

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juski:

Dibblah: not just the odd recording? eew

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olds:

there's a few cable providers in the US that use DVB-C

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thostr:

DVB-T in Norway yes

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mattwj2005:

I did not know that :)

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mattwj2005:

we do have QAM ATSC here

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thostr:

and H.264, encryped with Conax CA

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Dibblah:

Pretty much everything.

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mattwj2005:

hehe I can get the Pentagon Channel for free :P

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Dibblah:

Looks like the thing that myth is using to count frames is going negative, and this is confusing things.

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juski:

free propaganda? ace!

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mattwj2005:

I would watch it but I would probably be shot ;)

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olds:

it's pretty boring

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thostr:

juski: you know of anyone receiving h.264 over dvb-t with myth?

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juski:

thostr: I know h.264 takes more cpu grunt than mpeg2 to play

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thostr:

that's very true... goodbye to my athlon 900 myth front end :-)

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Dibblah:

Wasn't the DVB-t Crystal Palace HD tests H.264?

[21:06:16]

mattwj2005:

here is a list of in the clear us channels

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mattwj2005:

http://www.ftalist.com/english.htm

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juski:

Dibblah: yeah

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mattwj2005:

if anyone is interested...

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mattwj2005:

that is only the English ones....but my Spanish and Swedish sucks :P

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mattwj2005:

so is FTA on it's way out?

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juski:

not here in the UK :D

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juski:

not that Sky would have you believe

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cyrexion:

juski: you should make a flash-based mythtv skin... animated an all

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cyrexion:

or theme, I should say

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mattwj2005:

I hold not!

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mattwj2005:

I hate monthly bills for anything

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mattwj2005:

I prefer hardware cost only

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juski:

cyrexion: flash? NO WAY JOSE or to put it another way, over your dead body

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juski:

I won't even say what I think you 'should' do

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mattwj2005:

hey Juski

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mattwj2005:

how is the UK?

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juski:

not bad. went to see the simpsons movie tonight

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mattwj2005:

any good?

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juski:

didn't want my money back, but it's half an hour too long IMHO

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mattwj2005:

cool cool

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mattwj2005:

I saw Evan almighty

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juski:

ouch!

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mattwj2005:

what?

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juski:

you have my condolences

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juski:

I've seen the trailer for that. 3 times now.

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mattwj2005:

and?

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juski:

when watching the trailer makes me want to walk out of the theatre..

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mattwj2005:

:P

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mattwj2005:

lol\

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mattwj2005:

I thought it was good

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mattwj2005:

then again some people like the Blarie Witch

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juski:

cyrexion: anyway – this flash idea. you know that place where the sun doesn't shine out of? Can you even imagine how awful a flash-based UI would be anyway? Tell you what 'all' you have to do is rewrite the mythtv UI code – every bit of it. shouldn't take you long

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mattwj2005:

*vomit*

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juski:

mattwj2005: yeah. some people can't get enough of eddie murphy in latex bodysuits

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juski:

and oh how low Steve Martin has sunk. bless

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mattwj2005:

he has sunk like the Titanic :P

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mattwj2005:

speaking of bad movies ;)

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juski:

yet another chick flick

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juski:

needs more exploding helicopters

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mattwj2005:

yeah no doubt

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juski:

that used to be the yardstick I used to measure how good a film was – the exploding helicopter quotient

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mattwj2005:

hehe

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mattwj2005:

what about the first Matrix movie?

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mattwj2005:

do crashing count?

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juski:

didn't see that in a cinema, watched it drunk at home

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juski:

souped up the awe factor quite a lot

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mattwj2005:

got ya

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mattwj2005:

understandable

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juski:

first time you ever see bullet time is like WHOAH

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juski:

oh gawd no.. got that damn 'spiderpig' song in my head again

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mattwj2005:

hehe

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mattwj2005:

spiderpig? sounds like an interesting couple :P

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juski:

http://www.spiderpig.org/

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juski:

they even manage to have a dig at fox's onscreen advertising

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mattwj2005:

awesome

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mattwj2005:

dang it is 91 here

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mattwj2005:

33 C for everyone else in the world

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juski:

that's what we'd call a 'scorcher' over here, but I'm wise enough to know only pussies call that hot in some places ;)

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mattwj2005:

haha

[21:48:04]

mattwj2005:

hey this is Minneapolis....half the year the ground is frozen :P

[21:49:24]

olds:

we've had 9 days over 100 degrees so far this month

[21:49:35]

juski:

just read that Disney is vowing to cut out smoking in all its films & discourage it in films they distribute too

[21:49:36]

AngryElf:

i've noticed that since I updated to 0.20 (I only updated recently) that video playback sometimes speeds up to a lot faster than the audio. This usually happens after a skip forward/backward and also commercial skips — has anyone seen this before?

[21:49:43]

juski:

Nanny Disney :-\

[21:49:44]

olds:

0 days with a high below 90

[21:50:45]

juski:

AngryElf: I sometimes get gappy playback while the osd is up, or the audio speed will 'wow' when resuming normal playback

[21:50:56]

AngryElf:

'wow' ?

[21:51:07]

juski:

you know – speed up & slow down

[21:51:07]

AngryElf:

...this goes nuts, it's completely unwatchable

[21:51:24]

juski:

check your database

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mattwj2005:

dang where are you olds?

[21:51:39]

juski:

specifically the recordedmarkup & seektable

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AngryElf:

what about em?

[21:52:31]

juski:

AngryElf: check they ain't corrupted

[21:52:46]

juski:

myth uses them to find out where in the file it's up to

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AngryElf:

> select * from seektable;

[21:52:53]

AngryElf:

ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.seektable' doesn't exist

[21:52:54]

AngryElf:

!

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juski:

ok maybe not seektable

[21:53:16]

AngryElf:

recordedmarkup is fine

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juski:

recordedseek

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AngryElf:

both don't seem corrupted

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juski:

what does mysqlcheck say?

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AngryElf:

all OK

[21:56:51]

AngryElf:

think it might be that the my memory is pretty pegged?

[21:59:05]

AngryElf:

...lots of skipping on live tv

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juski:

could be!

[22:00:14]

juski:

if you're using blootube-wide, upgrade to 5TB RAM or face eternal swapping

[22:00:16]

AngryElf:

watching recordings doesn't seem to be a problem though

[22:01:03]

AngryElf:

not using blootube

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AngryElf:

in other news what "misuses" made zap2it close its doors?

[22:05:30]

juski:

pure speculation but people re-distributing data

[22:05:46]

juski:

or those companies selling boxes preconfigured to use zap2it data

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juski:

not necessarily anything to do with mythtv though

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AngryElf:

added another 512, up to 1GB now (I know, still low) still getting pegged out :-/

[22:35:15]

AngryElf:

maybe a bit better, we'll see

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AngryElf:

so everytime I seek and/or commercial-skip on a remote frontend the DB on the backend gets accessed?

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JoeyJoeJo:

even though I have my backend process running, mythweb and my frontends can't connect to it

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olds:

did you set them up properly?

[22:53:00]

Esine:

Is there any reason to use the year old 0.20 release of MythTV or is SVN the way to go?

[22:53:51]

hads:

Esine: trunk is usually pretty stable, but it has the possibility of breaking.

[22:54:04]

juski:

AngryElf: the db is accessed during playback, no matter what

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juski:

Esine: follow the -dev & -commits mailing lists to keep track of potential issues

[22:54:36]

Esine:

hads, ok. Do you know if the Mythweather buy has been fixed yet or is there a workaround?

[22:54:43]

Esine:

MythWeather bug*

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juski:

it's kind of fixed in trunk

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hads:

mythweather-revamp has been merged into trunk. I don't use it myself so I don't know what it's like.

[22:55:27]

Esine:

Good. Will MythTV build with QT4? Since I had some problems building it earlier.. I'll try again though

[22:55:29]

Anduin:

Not great, currently.

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juski:

only issue is that folks need to write local grabber scripts for non-us countries

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juski:

mythtv will *not* work with qt4

[22:56:09]

Esine:

yeah.. maybe there's a configure option to point it to my qt3 includes and libraries

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juski:

a *lot* of work has to be done first, but that's got to wait until more distros include it as standard

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Dibblah:

My gentoo detector just went ping.

[22:56:58]

Dibblah:

Who was it. Own up.

[22:57:22]

hads:

It's included by default in most distros these days. I thought the issue was that myth uses QT3 in a way that isn't supported in QT4

[22:57:34]

Esine:

:(

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Dibblah:

hads: It is?

[22:58:00]

Dibblah:

That's not what distrowatch says...

[22:58:10]

Dibblah:

The only distro with 4 is Gentoo.

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Esine:

<juski> only issue is that folks need to write local grabber scripts for non-us countries <-- does this mean that all the weather data isn't grabbed from the same source?

[22:58:26]

Esine:

anyone know where to get weather data for nordic countries (europe)? ;)

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hads:

Dibblah: Odd. That doesn't seem right.

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juski:

Esine: the problem with continuing to use msnbc was that scraping the site contravened their usage conditions IIRC

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juski:

Esine: as far as I know, nobody has yet stepped up to write scripts to grab weather data for non-us sources

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hads:

Dibblah: My Debian stable boxes and Ubuntu boxes both have QT4.

[22:59:56]

Esine:

ok..

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Dibblah:

Interesting.

[23:01:46]

Dibblah:

My ubuntu box has QT3, by default.

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juski:

Esine: should be pretty straightforward to write grabbers.

[23:02:32]

Dibblah:

Nope. Everything still says it ships with qt3.

[23:02:43]

Dibblah:

Apart from Gentoo. But they're odd.

[23:02:46]

juski:

esp. since sites like bbc.co.uk give away rss feeds of weather data :)

[23:03:06]

Esine:

juski, I'll look around and see if I can write a wrapper for Finland ;)

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Dibblah:

Even rawhide has 3.3.8

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juski:

time for bed I reckon. g'night all

[23:04:56]

Dibblah:

Night.

[23:05:08]

Dibblah:

Esine: That's going to be a damn big wrapper!

[23:05:13]

Dibblah:

Badda boom.

[23:05:16]

Esine:

:|

[23:05:29]

Dibblah:

Sorry – Couldn't resist.

[23:05:58]

hads:

Dibblah: Whether QT4 is installed by default doesn't really mean much. It's available in the repository. Even QT3 won't be installed by default depending on how you install.

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hads:

Ships with QT3 doesn't mean it doesn't also ship with QT4.

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Esine:

I have both QT3 and QT4 installed. Can I point mythtv to use the qt3 libraries and not qt4?

[23:08:28]

Esine:

.. at compile tim

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Esine:

time

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Esine:

PATH=/usr/qt/3/bin:${PATH} ./configure && make -j2 seems to work \o/

[23:13:12]

Esine:

now it uses the QT3 qmake instead of QT4's so now it gets the correct library and include paths

[23:13:38]

Dibblah:

QTDIR too, maybe.

[23:13:49]

Esine:

actually I tried that but it had no effect

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Dibblah:

As in you may need to set that as well.

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Esine:

well it seems to compile just fine now..

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