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Tuesday, July 24th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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juski:

http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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djbeenie:

anyone know if there will be a workaround for ZapitLabs on September 1st?

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juski:

djbeenie: see the channel topic

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djbeenie:

hmm I dont see anything in the channel topic

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Dagmar:

Click on the links

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juski:

you mean.. "The topic for #mythtv-users is: .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.20 NOT 0.2 .:. Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC .:. MythTV Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ .:. Use http://pastebin.ca/ .:. US Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/ .:."

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djbeenie:

juski: yeah i didnt know it was called scheduledirect.org

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GreyFoxx:

dbj: The name changed recently

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GreyFoxx:

was gonna be another name, but was changed to schedulesdirect.org

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djbeenie:

got it

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djbeenie:

do you think it will survive?

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GreyFoxx:

I have no reason to think it wont

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juski:

djbeenie: thing is I said it was in the channel topic, which it is. it just doesn't get any clearer than that!

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djbeenie:

sweet :)

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djbeenie:

Juski: with all do respect, I was more looking for somesthing that mentioned zapitlabs, if you didnt know what the new name was, then how where u supposed to know :)

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juski:

the bit that says "US Listings: ..." maybe, I dunno

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juski:

anyway you've clicked & thats the main thing

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djbeenie:

hehe right on :)

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djbeenie:

after i run mythfilldatabase, will this get updated automatically or will I have to do ever so often

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leprechau:

btw...im using the 96xx nvidia driver on an older geforce 2 go (32mb vram) ... and have mplayer set to use the gl video out option

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leprechau:

err

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leprechau:

mythtv is working for the most part....xvid (ie, mplayer vo=gl) works fine but internal player (dvd images) i get sound but no video...anyone know what the problem is?

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juski:

djbeenie: if you select 'automatically run mythfilldatabase' it will run at an appropriate time. you'll find that in mythfrontend > setup/utils > setup > general > last page

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juski:

leprechau: ati, I suspect

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leprechau:

Noble, it's nvidia driver geforce 2 go ... i put that up there

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leprechau:

err

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leprechau:

juski, it's nvidia 96xx driver on a gefore 2 go

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djbeenie:

juski: thanks

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djbeenie:

well I got mythtvworking...everything is installed and mythfill works.....so am I supposed to go out my reciever SVIDEO > in mythbox SVIDEO?

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djbeenie:

im not seeing anything yet

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TUplink_:

um.... guys i just found a typo in mythtv :P

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TUplink_:

then you got to info center..... and Zoneminder and the server isnt running it says cannot connect to the mythzmerver sheould be mythzmserver

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TUplink_:

who should i let know

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kormoc:

TUplink_, svn.mythtv.org

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TUplink_:

um.... ok

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TUplink_:

ill try to figure it out.... im kind of new to this whold devel thing

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TUplink_:

just make a ticket?

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kormoc:

aaye

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kormoc:

include a patch if you'd like

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TUplink_:

um..... i dont know a thing about that.... its just add one letter to a line

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TUplink_:

says mythzmerver should be mythzmserver

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TUplink_:

missing a "S"

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sinthetek:

is there some way i can get a screenshot of some video that is currently being played? i just tried with gimp and it looks like it's only capturing blue blankness

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djbeenie:

well I got mythtvworking...everything is installed and mythfill works.....so am I supposed to go out my reciever SVIDEO > in mythbox SVIDEO?

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sinthetek:

i thought perhaps there might be some sort of internal screencapture capability

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xris:

sinthetek: you have to turn off the xv extension

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xris:

sinthetek: there should be a way to save a screenshot from a running video, but just the video, no overlays, etc.

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leprechau:

xris, that is what I need to do...how do i tell myth to not use xv but use gl or something else?

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sinthetek:

i don't know what overlays are really... :P will that show the image from the tv? :P

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xris:

leprechau: not sure on that. there's a commandline option to override, but I don't know what it is. google/wiki, maybe.

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xris:

sinthetek: while watching a show, press M for the menu.

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xris:

you just won't be able to screencap any menus, etc...

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leprechau:

xris, aight...i'll look thanks

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sinthetek:

oh, the menu stuff

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sinthetek:

yeah, i don't need that

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xris:

sinthetek: there should (I think) be a screenshot option in the menu, though.

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xris:

I know that there is a screenshot function built into the remote control routine, and that it only works when a show is being watched.. thought it was also in the normal playback menu, too.

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xris:

I could be very wrong.

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Dagmar:

I've never noticed it

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sinthetek:

i didn't see it in 'capture' mode or whatever

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sinthetek:

i'll check previously recorded in livetv profile to see if it's there

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sinthetek:

err..watch recordings*

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mythahhhhhhhhhh:

i'm having some problems getting my pvr-500 card to work

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xris:

sinthetek: there's also an xml method to extract frames from recorded shows.. might only be svn trunk, though

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xris:

(actually, I'm sure it is)

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sinthetek:

you say if i disable xv i can capture it with gimp?

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xris:

sinthetek: yeah. xv basically renders that video content in the video card itself, so linux doesn't have access to it.

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xris:

(which is why you see it as blue)

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sinthetek:

is that in my xorg config or is than an option for the internal mythtv player?i know there's one for xine, mplayer etc

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sinthetek:

actually

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sinthetek:

i can use one of those

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sinthetek:

heh

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sinthetek:

grr, wtf

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** sinthetek kicks gimp **

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sinthetek:

doesn't seem to do anything when i try to capture now

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AngryElf:

i've noticed that since I updated to 0.20 (I only updated recently) that video playback sometimes speeds up to a lot faster than the audio

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AngryElf:

usually this happens around a skip forward, or commercial skip

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AngryElf:

is this a known bug?

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jams:

sinthetek- NO_XV=1 mythfrontend will start mythfrontend without XV enabled. You should then be able to take screenshots

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leprechau:

jams, what does it use instead then?

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jams:

leprechau- it falls back to X11

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jams:

it's not very useful except for screenshots and debuggin

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jams:

g

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mokkan:

hey, is there any documentation available for writing mythtv plugins?

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leprechau:

jams, is there a way to force gl/opengl?

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jams:

mokkan- the general response is look at other plugins. With that being said I think the wiki has a hello world example

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mokkan:

ah there is indeed, thanks

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leprechau:

wee got xv working with my nvidia 96xx driver ;}

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leprechau:

now i just have one last question....is there a way to disable certain modules/plugins

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leprechau:

and also...can i remove the TV stuff since i am just planning on using mythtv as a video/dvd player

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jams:

leprechau- remove them from the filesystem

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jams:

each plugin is a single .so file

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jams:

or you could edit the menu theme xml

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leprechau:

gotcha...same for removing the TV stuff i take it?

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jams:

for removing TV that would require the XML change

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leprechau:

and last thing...i assume it is already noted...but the weather plugin is broken

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jams:

yep

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leprechau:

jams, perfect i'll look into the XML file

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leprechau:

I appreciate it

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B5Duster:

Evening all – I was wondering if anyone has found a way to use an external soudcard input for the audio input device for live tv

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B5Duster:

I'm using a PVR 250 with analog sound input onboard but I'd like to use the digital in on my soundcard instead (a lot of digital cable channels and streamed movies etc use the digital out on my settop)

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B5Duster:

logically it seems impossible because the audio must sync-up with the video as it's being encoded...

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bmk789:

is anyone else using the mythtv packages from the repos in ubuntu feisty? i found a couple bugs and im wondering if anyone else has them

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B5Duster:

I am using that version

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hads:

They're a bit old now those packages.

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my2keh:

yo yo yo

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tripppy:

i have a problem with mythtv-setup – all the colours in the GUI are fluro in colour! i cant read all options!

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my2keh:

what is "fluro"?

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josey:

Hi, I'm experiencing a "lag" in my program guide that I havn't had before... if I scroll fast it needs to wait and catch up. any ideas what could cause this?

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tripppy:

like high contrast colours

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bmk789:

B5Duster: does your mythweather work?

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josey:

oh it looks like xorg was taking up all the CPU... but it seems cached now maybe

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B5Duster:

bmk789: yes – haven't had a problem with it yet

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josey:

when I go back to neon-wide theme it pauses again. xorg takes up entire CPU. this hasn't happened before

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bmk789:

B5Duster: and have you tried the imdb search in mythvideo?

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B5Duster:

bmk789: Nope – haven't tried that yet, lemme see

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B5Duster:

bmk789: That seems to work well too

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bmk789:

ok these must be unique to my system, thanks for the help

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B5Duster:

bmk789: network connection nice and stable?

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B5Duster:

np

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bmk789:

ya

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bmk789:

mythweather gives me a bunch of code for everything and the imdb search never gives any results even if the title is accurate

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B5Duster:

every once in a while a plugin will glitch out on me for no reason

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B5Duster:

but a frontend restart tends to fix things most of the time

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B5Duster:

hm

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hatter:

i am trying to run mythtv-setup but it is telling me access denied for user 'mythtv'@localhost' however i can login to the mysql database with mysql -u mythtv -p

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cecil:

hatter: perhaps the password is inaccurate in you mysql.txt file?

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rhollan:

sigh. no luck with iMedia

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rhollan:

Linux on an EPIA N

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rhollan:

Are there any quickly rolled backend installatins I can use with minumyth?

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rhollan:

er, minimyth

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hatter:

cecil, thanks, thats what it was, changing the password in the menu doesnt change the password in the ~/mythtv/mysql.conf file

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cesman:

hatter: you're welcome

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rhollan:

cesman: Stock latest KnopMyth on the EPIA N failed to play DVDs and hung. Are you aware of this and should the bleading edge release you suggested fix this?

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rhollan:

I poresume I need mythtv 0.20 backend to work with latest minimyth fe?

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dr_willis:

dont the front end and backend versions need to match?

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rhollan:

that's what I figure

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rhollan:

so latest minimyth uses 0.20, so I should use 0.20 on be.

[03:52:22]

rhollan:

getting it to install on an FC3 system is proving to be a pain

[03:52:40]

rhollan:

I keep getting segfaults running mythtv-setup on the B\

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rhollan:

BE

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cesman:

rhollan: no, I'm not

[03:55:08]

cesman:

rhollan: are you aware that stock KnoppMyth doesn't include support for encrypted DVDs?

[03:55:29]

rhollan:

cesman: yes, I know, and that wasn't the problem.

[03:56:09]

cesman:

then, what was?

[03:56:26]

rhollan:

When I built Myth from scratch and ran it on FC3 with updated X drivers on the EPIA N MythDVD worked fine... I was hoping to find a scaled down distro tuned to myth on the EPIA N and am currently playing with minimyth on the FE

[03:56:37]

rhollan:

cesman: the unit hung hard

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dr_willis:

Hmm seeing some interesting hacks for that APpleTV.. too bad its by apple.

[04:01:13]

cesman:

rhollan: without a "Epia N" to test with or someone to provide further information that "it hung"/work it, there is nothing I can do

[04:01:36]

dr_willis:

wonder if the Epia stuff could let me make a similer thing.

[04:02:25]

hads:

The EPIA stuff is OK, I use one for a frontend here. If I was doing it again I'd go up to mATX personally.

[04:02:40]

rhollan:

cesman: I understand. I didn't know if you had first-hand experience with an EPIA N or not. It's a Via C3 in a nano-ITX form factror with CN400 and VT1625 HD TV encoder.

[04:02:40]

dr_willis:

Yea. Been looking at that stuff for ages.. havent bought anything yet.

[04:02:56]

dr_willis:

I just like the idea of a uber-small pc to replace some of my large boxs i got

[04:03:36]

hads:

dr_willis: They're good, but not really grunty enough for myth IMHO. I'd get a smallish mATX and then you get normal levels of power.

[04:03:54]

hads:

The menus, guide etc. are too sluggish.

[04:03:58]

dr_willis:

Yea. they run about the same price or a little cheaper/more?

[04:04:16]

rhollan:

dr_willis: well, my first attempt had a full blown FC3 install on the EPIA N and I got xine running with XvMC support for the CN400 playing back 1080i real nice at 30% CPU on a 1.0 GHZ processor. But, having a full Myth FE AND BE AND mysql server on the EPIa N is a bit much.

[04:04:20]

dr_willis:

I got so many pc's now.. need to get rid of some of the old..

[04:04:37]

hads:

Pretty similar price wise here. But I'm guessing not many of you are in NZ.

[04:04:51]

dr_willis:

All i really do with MythTV these days is watch videos. rarely use it for tv/recordings.

[04:05:05]

hads:

Not much point using Myth then.

[04:05:05]

rhollan:

The attraction of the EPIA N is that it's small and the 800 MHz version is fanless

[04:05:08]

dr_willis:

Just wanting to build somthing the wife can use in the Livingroom to store all her dvd's

[04:05:21]

rhollan:

dr_willis: my primary use too

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rhollan:

BEs can record video if desired

[04:05:42]

dr_willis:

Trying to consolidate all my other box's to get one decent fileserver going. :)

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dr_willis:

the will put in somthing in the Living room to connect to it. and get the videos from the Fileserver

[04:06:11]

stormy|:

you guys have any idea on the best way to make a mythTV stencil that I can spraypaint onto my box?

[04:06:13]

rhollan:

file server, caching DNS server, main NTP server for the home, main SMTP server, etc.

[04:08:05]

leprechau:

does anyone here have a dell 8100 or an ess maestro sound card with working spdif??

[04:08:24]

dr_willis:

stormy|, ive seen 'decal sheets' you can print to. and make your own rub-on decals. :)

[04:08:44]

dr_willis:

or print out the letters, tape to the case. then sandblast it! :)

[04:08:44]

stormy|:

what do you mean dr_willis?

[04:08:52]

stormy|:

lol that's an awesome idea

[04:08:54]

dr_willis:

stormy|, 'stick on decal sheets' :)

[04:08:56]

stormy|:

but i just painted mine black :)

[04:09:10]

stormy|:

it's gorgeous.... take a C_R_A_P case... spray paint it jet black

[04:09:13]

dr_willis:

blast it gently, so it has a silverish area and black letters,

[04:09:15]

stormy|:

hmm

[04:09:22]

dr_willis:

I got a shiny black anatec case anyway :0

[04:09:35]

dr_willis:

with all these ugly blue lights all over.

[04:10:22]

dr_willis:

Got an Antec 900 Case the other day. It looks sharp. but egads its one huge fan. ;)

[04:11:50]

dr_willis:

I thoght i saw the other day, a case/display with a PC, that had a Little bitty LCD, that 'slid' into the drive bay. Like they do in car radio/dvd players..

[04:11:58]

dr_willis:

or was i just imaginign it? :) seen such a beast?

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cesman:

there probably is such an animal...

[04:19:59]

dr_willis:

Not sure what to do with it.. but it would be spiffy. :)

[04:20:24]

dr_willis:

with the lcds so common. ive wondered why theres not a decent way to mount one to the side of the case.

[04:20:31]

cesman:

you could have it display 'you have too much money'... ;)

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dr_willis:

cesman, and a gold etched case to go with it!

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dr_willis:

:)

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cesman:

:)

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dr_willis:

SOlid Gold Heat Sinks!

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cesman:

lol

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dr_willis:

Leaded Crystal Case Windows!

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** rhollan remembers his $2600 CD player... many years ago **

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dr_willis:

:)

[04:23:43]

dr_willis:

back when 'burning your own cd' was a pipe-dream!

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rhollan:

back when 500 MB disk drives took 14" platters

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** dr_willis hands out the punchcards **

[04:24:30]

dr_willis:

I rember IRC'ing on a 'green bar' printing serial terminal

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dr_willis:

:) ya could make the coolest banners with those things

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** rhollan remembers the CDC Hawk 2x5MB disk drive ... weighed about 300#... I'm now looking at a 4 GB CF card. **

[04:25:07]

dr_willis:

Idont have any cf cards at all.. got a few SD cards

[04:25:39]

rhollan:

Silly me... I tried to install iMedia MythTv on a CF card for the EPIA N, but it hangs on boot.

[04:26:19]

rhollan:

I think I'll try to get a mythbackend on my home box, and install Myth 0.20 on Ubuntu on the EPIA following a guide I found.

[04:26:38]

dr_willis:

Hmm.. oh yea..ide/cf booting.. thats somthing ive never tried. :)

[04:27:06]

rhollan:

this particular CF card/IDE dongle don't do UDMA. ide=nodma is your kernel boot option friend!

[04:27:11]

dr_willis:

wonder if i could find a cf to ide adaptor for my laptop.

[04:27:17]

stormy|:

dr_willis: is it the antec P180 family one?

[04:27:18]

dr_willis:

bummber.

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rhollan:

I have one, but they take stock 3.5" IDE adapters not the smaller 44pin 2.5" drive ones

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dr_willis:

stormy|, the 900 is their big uber-gamer case its got a huge fan in the top.. blue fans ont he front.. extrta blue fans on the sides.. :)

[04:27:56]

stormy|:

oh wow

[04:28:09]

rhollan:

Does it fly like a chopper if you frag too much?

[04:28:10]

stormy|:

hehe, my mythtv box looks like a server now :)

[04:28:11]

dr_willis:

rhollan, yea. I was just thinking how much pwoer savings id get moving my linux laptop to CF media.

[04:28:19]

dr_willis:

rhollan, i dont even game on it. :) much.

[04:28:27]

rhollan:

I don't game at all.

[04:28:27]

dr_willis:

rhollan, it was on sale for $60

[04:28:32]

rhollan:

I hack

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dr_willis:

so i grabbed it., iw as wanting that 180 case. but it wasent on sale that week

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** dr_willis chats inirc **

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rhollan:

just got a cool job offer from an outfit that makes cell phone chips — embedded Linux and 50% more $$$ than I make now working for "the devil"

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rhollan:

well, I got an Ubunto download going and a myth build... think I'll go relax for a while and come back to it.

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Speedy2:

Myth rocks.

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xris:

Speedy2: it does, yes.

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leprechau:

anyone here ever gotten spdif working on a maestro 3 ??

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leprechau:

and/or dell inspiron 8100?

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Speedy2:

Hrm, backend is using a lot of RAM. Does commercial skip typically eat up a lot of RAM

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Speedy2:

?

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pat_:

how much is a lot?

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kormoc:

Speedy2, and how did you check ram usage?

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Speedy2:

top

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Speedy2:

123 M RES, 294M Virtual

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kormoc:

that's not the real usage (that includes virtually mapped and the like)

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Speedy2:

Total RAM usage is 299 MB / 500 MB

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kormoc:

pmap -d `pidof mythbackend`

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kormoc:

the value you want is under the writable/private

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Speedy2:

mapped: 301808K writeable/private: 255532K shared: 0K

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kormoc:

almost 50 megs less :P

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mrdigital:

hi mythtv sees my /dev/video

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mrdigital:

but when i do scan for channels it says unable to open card

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kormoc:

check permissions

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mrdigital:

how?

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Speedy2:

kormoc: Well 250 MB is sizable. Just curious if that's expected for backend doing commskip.

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pat_:

Speedy2: writeable/private: 2246336K

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kormoc:

Speedy2, depends on the video and all that jazz, but that's not too bad

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** kormoc blinks at pat_'s 2.2 gig memory usage **

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pat_:

must be open filehandles on videos or something, I'm not using any swap, and I'm only using 688M of real memory for the whole system

[05:03:39]

Speedy2:

Wish the PVR box could take ECC RAM :/

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kormoc:

pat_, hrm... what kernel version? cause that actually can change pmap a lot

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mrdigital:

is there a nother V4L program i can test my card with

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kormoc:

mrdigital, xawtv, tvtime, mplayer, etc

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mrdigital:

hey tvtime works!

[05:10:25]

mrdigital:

any reason why no sound?

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kormoc:

if it's a framegrabber, you might be missing the sound cross over cable

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mrdigital:

no its realtime i think

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kormoc:

how's that relate in the least

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mrdigital:

its a mpg2 hardware decoder card Avermedia M150-D

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hads:

Decoder?

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mrdigital:

i didnt mean toi put decoder lol

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mrdigital:

Encoder

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Speedy2:

Anyone aware of a NAS device that takes a bunch of PATA HDDs?

[05:15:13]

Speedy2:

takes and makes it into one humugo volume.

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mrdigital:

if tvtime sees the card how come mythtv wont

[05:16:20]

Dagmar:

Not really, but I'm sure they exist.

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Dagmar:

It's not like it's terribly hard to build one.

[05:16:44]

Dagmar:

mrdigital: Because you failed to read the documentation for TVTime that says it doesn't use those cards

[05:16:51]

Dagmar:

erk got it backwarsd

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Dagmar:

mrdigital: What type of carD?

[05:17:10]

mrdigital:

Mpeg2 Hardware

[05:17:17]

Dagmar:

Specifically, what type

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mrdigital:

Avermedia M150-D

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Dagmar:

Hmm.. not sure what's up there

[05:17:51]

mrdigital:

but if tvtime can see it

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mrdigital:

why not mythtv?

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kormoc:

I'm surprised that tvtime actually gave a picture...

[05:18:19]

Speedy2:

Dagmar: Actually I already have a fileserver but I want something lower power and ~10–15 MBytes/sec bandwidth.

[05:18:43]

Speedy2:

(rather only need)

[05:18:45]

Dagmar:

Speedy2: So search carefully for a board with SATA2 support and a GigE card that Linux can use

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pat_:

kormoc: Linux mutton 2.6.15-28-k7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu May 10 10:18:30 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux

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mrdigital:

correction to myself... mythtv does see it

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mrdigital:

but will not open it

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kormoc:

pat_, yeah, I seem to recall fixes went in for memory mapping in 2.6.18 or so... I wonder if it's related or not

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** kormoc shrugs **

[05:19:40]

kormoc:

mrdigital, maybe you didn't tell myth to use the correct card type?

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pat_:

kormoc: I've got 267 lines using 8M of memory which look like: "b47d3000 8192 rwx-- 00000000b47d3000 000:00000 [ anon ]

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kormoc:

mrdigital, I wonder if you read the documentation on setting up your card?

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pat_:

kormoc, but it works fine and doesn't crash too often, so I'm not phased

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kormoc:

pat_, huh, fair 'nuff

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pat_:

kormoc: which equals 2.1G of memory

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** kormoc nods **

[05:21:30]

kormoc:

pat_, all at the same location?

[05:21:34]

pat_:

no

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kormoc:

strangeness

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Speedy2:

I'm running 2.6.16...maybe I should consider upgrading.

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** kormoc shrugs **

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pat_:

what's the latest pastebin site?

[05:22:05]

kormoc:

we have one in the topic

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mrdigital:

im following a guide on the card for mythtv

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pat_:

http://pastebin.ca/631659

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leprechau:

has anyone here ever used maestro 3/allegro with spdif?

[05:22:44]

pat_:

that's pretty typical of the whole listing

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kormoc:

crazy

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pat_:

kormoc, almost certainly would be fixed by upgrading my kernel and my mythtv to the latest 0.20-fixes. Let's not worry about it

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** kormoc nods **

[05:24:25]

kormoc:

mrdigital, well, you might want to try reading myth's documentation on your card... namely where it talks about video but no audio

[05:24:38]

pat_:

(wife approval factor is extremely high at the moment, and I don't want to do anything to change the setup.)

[05:24:46]

kormoc:

heh, fair 'nuff :)

[05:24:59]

leprechau:

my wife approval is in the toilet at the moment

[05:25:19]

leprechau:

i'll have to stick winblows back on that thing if i can't get spdif working :{

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pat_:

she's even bringing her friends around to show them

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mrdigital:

i got it

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mrdigital:

how do i start mythtv server?

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kormoc:

mrdigital, it's covered in the docs

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leprechau:

you start the backend then run setup...then the frontend

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kormoc:

leprechau, you don't need the backend running to run setup

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leprechau:

ehh good to know

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leprechau:

really im just about done with myth for awhile.....this spdif issue is driving me crazy

[05:27:19]

leprechau:

been working on it for 6 hours now

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kormoc:

spdif isn't myth, it's alsa, entirely different beast

[05:27:36]

leprechau:

yeah i know that

[05:27:50]

leprechau:

but without spdif myth is pretty useless to me

[05:28:40]

** xris wonders if anyone can tell the difference between digital and analog audio connectors on a compressed audio signal. **

[05:28:55]

leprechau:

it's not that...it's the channels

[05:29:28]

leprechau:

you can't get 5.1 without spdif...well not on this hardware anyways

[05:29:43]

leprechau:

it doesn't have but one single stereo miniplug and then spdif coax connector

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xris:

I can't get 5.1 in linux, period....

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xris:

not that I've put much effort into it

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Dagmar:

-dsurround51

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Dagmar:

er -D

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Dagmar:

You basically have to *tell* ALSA to use that profile

[05:30:35]

Dagmar:

`speaker-test -c6 -Dsurround51` will show you right off

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leprechau:

hrm...lemme try that

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xris:

Dagmar: helps to have 5 speakers, too

[05:31:03]

xris:

that set is now on my wife's windows (gaming) box...

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xris:

gaim's new-message beep in surround just isn't as cool as Oblivion in surround.

[05:31:38]

leprechau:

ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM cards.pcm.surround51

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leprechau:

Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory

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kormoc:

leprechau, and you created the virtual device in the asoundrc file?

[05:33:00]

clever:

Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34':

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clever:

mythweb is dead again

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leprechau:

kormoc, no...i have been googling all night...keep trying to mess with different module options and alsamixer settings...i never ran across anything saying i had to create the device

[05:33:32]

leprechau:

everything i read said there should be an iec or spdif device present

[05:33:52]

kormoc:

depends on the alsa version and the driver

[05:34:09]

xris:

clever: svn update?

[05:34:20]

clever:

xris: mythweb worked an hour ago

[05:34:22]

** xris wonders where he put his video camera **

[05:34:26]

clever:

and i didnt upgrade or restart the backend

[05:34:34]

clever:

the backend is still the same version

[05:34:34]

xris:

clever: then you updated the backend. or are misremembering

[05:34:52]

clever:

no i didnt

[05:34:59]

clever:

and if i restart the backend it will be fixed

[05:35:01]

leprechau:

kormoc, you have a link to creating a virtual device?

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clever:

but it will randomly come back

[05:36:13]

hads:

Don't you hate it when a server in another room doesn't come back up after an upgrade reboot.

[05:36:20]

clever:

and i just manyaly did the handshake with the backend using version 34

[05:36:22]

clever:

[24 00:33:38] OUT: MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34

[05:36:23]

kormoc:

leprechau, look at asoundrc's

[05:36:23]

clever:

[24 00:35:25] IN: ACCEPT[]:[]34

[05:36:26]

xris:

clever: how many copies of the backend do you have installed?

[05:36:31]

clever:

1

[05:36:38]

xris:

clever: humor me

[05:36:40]

clever:

and it took 2mins to answer the mythproto version

[05:36:43]

xris:

do a locate

[05:37:02]

hads:

You're always having weird issues. Something is definitly broke on your box.

[05:37:05]

clever:

greping out the /home/mythtv/mythtvbuild/mythtv/programs/mythbackend/.svn/prop-base/deviceslave. xml.svn-base

[05:37:12]

clever:

/usr/local/bin/mythbackend

[05:37:28]

clever:

when greping out bin

[05:37:35]

clever:

root@theP4:~/cf25# locate mythbackend|grep bin

[05:37:47]

hatter:

i have an entry in my log saying 'NVR: Error, unknown audio codec' what does this mean ?

[05:37:56]

xris:

clever: did you update mythweb recently?

[05:37:58]

clever:

where in the mythweb source is the timeout for the myth_proto_version?

[05:38:03]

clever:

no i havent updated anything

[05:38:10]

xris:

mythproto is currently 35

[05:38:12]

xris:

in trunk

[05:38:15]

clever:

and if i restart the backend it will appear to be fixed

[05:38:23]

xris:

there is no timeout specifically for that.

[05:38:25]

clever:

i havent done a svn update for a week or so

[05:38:38]

xris:

timeout in general is 20 secs

[05:38:43]

clever:

when i manualy did the handshake it took 2mins

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xris:

ahhhh

[05:38:56]

xris:

yeah, something's seriously f'd with your system, then.

[05:39:02]

clever:

yeah

[05:39:04]

xris:

web pages would time out before that, anyway.

[05:39:10]

xris:

browser usually kills the connection after 30 secs

[05:39:14]

clever:

lol

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clever:

also

[05:39:24]

clever:

the backend is repeating the same thing over and over

[05:39:29]

clever:

and eating nearly all the cpu

[05:39:40]

clever:

mythbacke 26066 mythtv 26u IPv4 34898450 TCP 192.168.1.60:42906->192.168.1.60:6543 (ESTABLISHED)

[05:39:41]

xris:

sounds like it's time to upgrade to a more recent snv

[05:39:42]

xris:

svn

[05:39:46]

clever:

mythbacke 26066 mythtv 29u IPv4 34898454 TCP 192.168.1.60:6543->192.168.1.60:42906 (ESTABLISHED)

[05:40:02]

mrdigital:

when i goto Watch TV i get a blank black screen

[05:40:02]

clever:

doesnt that look like a tcp connection back into itself?

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mrdigital:

if i alt tab to the terminal window

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hads:

I've seen this conversation about 5 times now.

[05:40:26]

mrdigital:

it see /files/recordings/3723098230981093.mpeg (invaild file)

[05:41:20]

clever:

http://pastebin.ca/631672

[05:41:30]

clever:

that shows the backend repeating the same thing over and over

[05:41:46]

clever:

a kill -sigsegv got rid ofit and saved a core dump to check

[05:42:35]

clever:

and now the handshake works instantly on my program

[05:43:01]

clever:

and mythweb is 'fixed'

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Dagmar:

Dude, don't use the segfault signal

[05:43:35]

Dagmar:

Kill or term it

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clever:

then i wont get a core dump

[05:43:48]

Dagmar:

There's no reason to segfault binaries unless you intend them to dump core

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xris:

clever: sounds like maybe you have a frontend gone wild or something

[05:43:53]

clever:

and i wont be able to see the var's inside of it at the time

[05:43:57]

Dagmar:

Are you able to actually make USE of a core dump?

[05:44:10]

clever:

i'll have to look at the core to see

[05:44:17]

clever:

but from the lsof i pasted above

[05:44:18]

xris:

I think it's probably worthwhile to do a distclean, recompile and update to latest svn

[05:44:23]

clever:

you can see the backend is connected to ITSELF

[05:44:46]

clever:

and i shut off every other backend/welcome/frontend and it still was spaming away that part from the paste

[05:45:16]

clever:

also if you look closely at the paste youll see a slight change i did to the logging of debug info

[05:45:34]

clever:

MythSocket(b084e000:28:192.168.1.60)

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clever:

ip doesnt normaly show

[05:48:03]

clever:

Updated to revision 14033.

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mrdigital:

anyon encounter my problem?

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mrdigital:

isnt myththv recording in .nuv?

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zo0m:

wow, forgot i had this client running

[05:55:56]

zo0m:

(signon: Thu Jun 28 07:33:42 2007)

[05:55:59]

zo0m:

hehe

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pat_:

quick question, does anybody know of 0.20-fixes packages for ubuntu 6.06 anywhere, I couldn't find any current ones with google

[05:57:06]

zo0m:

so this schedulesdirect thing is going to take over the listings eh

[05:57:13]

zo0m:

and i take it.. we will have to pay

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ServerSag1:

zo0m: Are you opposed to paying?

[05:58:44]

zo0m:

depends on the cost.. dont really have deep pockets like other people might

[05:58:54]

zo0m:

been running myth for a few years now, pretty used to it being free..

[05:59:08]

zo0m:

since 0.15

[05:59:44]

xris:

zo0m: we'll be trying to keep the costs as low as possible, but it's unlikely to be free unless we get some LARGE donations.

[05:59:45]

ServerSag1:

Same, been a long time Myth user. But I have 0 problem paying a little. I'd just rather it went to the Myth project rather than to zap2it.

[06:00:13]

ServerSag1:

zo0m: Screen scrape if you want to keep it free.

[06:00:21]

zo0m:

yup

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xris:

there should be an official announcement within a week or so...

[06:00:37]

zo0m:

xris: cool

[06:00:38]

xris:

speaking of which, I should go read some of the paperwork for this.

[06:00:57]

ServerSag1:

xris: When you say "large donations", do you have any idea how much it would take to keep it free for all?

[06:01:11]

ServerSag1:

xris: Perhaps I could have a bake sale.

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zo0m:

are there any rough estimates on cost? wondering if i should get started on my perl script heh

[06:01:59]

zo0m:

as it is i eat ramen noodle and pbj lol

[06:02:00]

ServerSage:

zo0m: Why recreate the wheel? There are already screen scrapers out there. Just modify to your needs.

[06:02:01]

mchou:

!seen ShockValue

[06:02:01]

MythLogBot:

ShockValue was last seen 15 hours 41 minutes 21 seconds ago

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xris:

ServerSage: it'd take quite a few bake sales.

[06:03:26]

ServerSage:

xris: $5k? $10k? $10000000000k?

[06:03:41]

xris:

the only number I can give out is the retail number quoted by an unrelated party on the mythtv mailing list.. retail costs for TMS data is about $12k/month plus a small per-user fee.

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ServerSage:

xris: Ouchy.

[06:04:11]

xris:

I can't even say who we're negotiating with now for the actual data, but the TMS fee should give you a ballpark what we're dealing with.

[06:04:21]

zo0m:

holy shit

[06:04:24]

zo0m:

pardon my french

[06:04:53]

xris:

there are already scrapers out there... just nothing as good as the real/full data we'll be providing.

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xris:

nothing legit, and scrapers are known to break.

[06:05:16]

ServerSage:

xris: If I have 1 bake sale per day, and sell my cookies at $45/each....

[06:05:26]

zo0m:

fixing a scraper weekly is better than having nothing i guess

[06:05:54]

xris:

ServerSage: that's an idea. :)

[06:06:00]

zo0m:

id need a bake sale every month just to pay for the fee

[06:06:06]

ServerSage:

Or I could sell 24000 fifty cent cookies...

[06:06:15]

xris:

on the other hand, the more people who sign up, the less we'll have to charge for the data

[06:06:46]

ServerSage:

xris: Be nice if some of the corporate jerks who got us into this mess would step forward and pitch in some $$.

[06:07:06]

zo0m:

its about knocking down OSS

[06:07:31]

ServerSage:

zo0m: I don't know about that.

[06:07:39]

zo0m:

at least part of it, im sure, one of the posts on labs.zap2it explained who owns who

[06:08:04]

ServerSage:

zo0m: This is a discussion that I've seen on here a few hundred times.

[06:08:09]

xris:

ServerSage: I'm pretty sure that TMS has tracked most of them down and gotten them to pay up.

[06:08:12]

ServerSage:

zo0m: Don't care to see/read it again.

[06:08:38]

zo0m:

serversage: no worries, dont really want to talk about that anyway ;)

[06:08:39]

ServerSage:

xris: Saweet. Is it so hard to follow a simple policy? Sheesh.

[06:08:48]

xris:

zo0m: the people at tms/zap2it have been nothing but helpful to those of us using the labs service.

[06:09:18]

xris:

ServerSage: yeah. I think the main concern from them is that it's WAY too much effort to continue tracking down the offenders.

[06:09:30]

xris:

easier to shut it off and close the "free" hole

[06:10:06]

ServerSage:

xris: I honestly don't blame them. It would have been nice if they could have offered the same service for a small fee. I can understand the logitstics of such an undertaking though. I don't envy them.

[06:10:33]

xris:

ServerSage: once we can release some numeric data, you'll probably understand.

[06:11:05]

xris:

schedulesdirect did get a server donated for awhile, though..

[06:11:10]

ServerSage:

xris: I'm sure it'll boggle my mind.

[06:11:13]

xris:

at an isp with a nice fat pipe. all free

[06:11:19]

ServerSage:

xris: Nice.

[06:11:42]

ServerSage:

xris: Are we allowed to know what ISP? Perhaps we (as a community) could shove business their way.

[06:11:42]

zo0m:

did zap2it hook you guys up with any expected number of users/traffic/io/etc?

[06:12:01]

zo0m:

(to plan for capacity)

[06:12:13]

xris:

ServerSage: they're not exactly a public isp of that sort... most of their business is, shall we say, for the over-18 crowd...

[06:12:31]

xris:

zo0m: can't comment

[06:12:41]

kormoc:

ServerSage, or in other words, likely the community already does business via them...

[06:12:41]

ServerSage:

xris: Aaaah, late night kind of stuff. ;)

[06:12:45]

xris:

ServerSage: happens that I know one of their sysadmins, he's a mythtv user, and he offered.

[06:12:48]

xris:

kormoc: exactly. :)

[06:16:21]

t0ny-p40:

Hey xris does the new mythweb with flv only work in .21?

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xris:

t0ny-p40: there is no "new mythweb" yet.. just svn trunk (which will someday become .21)

[06:19:04]

xris:

so, "yes"

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zo0m:

- Tom

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zo0m:

FORMER! Zap2it Labs forum and customer service manager

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zo0m:

yeah see... its deeper than we all know

[06:36:34]

zo0m:

or i just want it to be haha

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xris:

zo0m: yeah. he quit ages ago. came back to help out with the shutdown because he's a nice guy

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kormoc:

zo0m, stop the fud

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zo0m:

xris: ahh

[06:37:57]

zo0m:

kormoc, relax heh

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xris:

zo0m: you'll have to excuse us.. it gets old listening to people complain all day, and spread unnecessary worry about the whole tv schedules thing

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Speedy2:

hrm, I ended up with several duplicates of a show

[06:49:20]

Speedy2:

Maybe need to change it to check by description?

[06:49:29]

xris:

Speedy2: usually a good thing

[06:49:45]

xris:

if you're running trunk, you can also "exclude generic" and/or a couple of other kinds of filters

[06:49:49]

Speedy2:

xris: It was set to subtitle and description

[06:50:26]

Speedy2:

xris: If I make an alteration in mythweb to the repeat checking, will it go back through the recorded programs and remove dups?

[06:50:55]

xris:

Speedy2: odd. that should be more restrictive

[06:51:09]

xris:

no, you'd have to manually delete recordings.

[06:51:14]

Speedy2:

k

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xris:

'night all

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rhollan:

what to do when mythtv-setup segfaults?

[07:00:20]

rhollan:

it's in r128_dri.so

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rhollan:

strace says it's looking for .drirc or some similar file

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ServerSage:

So I have been seeing "ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data." lately, and been getting some chop in my recordings. I have "options ivtv dec_yuv_buffers=32 dec_mpg_buffers=16 dec_vbi_buffers=16 enc_yuv_buffers=32 enc_mpg_buffers=16 enc_vbi_buffers=16" for my ivtv module line. Any suggestions?

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Trentster:

hey all, please could someone help figure out why I am having random mythfrontend crashes, I can see the output of the backtrace from the logs but i am battlg to understand what it is saying...

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ServerSage:

Trentster: Can you paste it somewhere?

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Trentster:

ServerSage, http://pastebin.ca/631703

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ServerSage:

Trentster: Are you using an nvidia card?

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ServerSage:

Trentster: And if so, do you have RenderAccel enabled in your xorg.conf file?

[07:18:48]

ServerSage:

Look for RenderAccel in your xorg.conf file, and change it to false if it exists. If it does not exist, try adding:

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ServerSage:

Option "RenderExcel" "false"

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Trentster:

ServerSage, yes, and yes

[07:19:15]

ServerSage:

Trentster: That would be your problem. :)

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Trentster:

ServerSage, sorry i dont seem to have RenderAccel in xorg.conf

[07:21:32]

ServerSage:

Trentster: Then add the line above.

[07:22:17]

robthebob:

what does removing that fix?

[07:22:29]

Trentster:

ServerSage, thanks is this a common known problem?

[07:22:43]

ServerSage:

robthebob: Hang on, let me see if I can find the thread in the mailing list.

[07:22:55]

ServerSage:

Trentster: *shrug* I had the problem, thus I know of it.

[07:23:34]

Trentster:

ServerSage, LOL

[07:23:45]

ServerSage:

robthebob: This thread has a bit about it.

[07:23:46]

ServerSage:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/191576

[07:24:13]

Trentster:

ServerSage, in what section is that added in Xorg, screen or device?

[07:24:28]

ServerSage:

Trentster: Device.

[07:24:56]

Trentster:

ServerSage, and what about my log file paste led you to deduce that it was the problem>?

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robthebob:

ah ok thanks ServerSage

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ServerSage:

Trentster: *shrug* Looked familiar. :)

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ServerSage:

Trentster: Let me know if it works.

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Trentster:

ServerSage, thanks will do

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pat_:

how can I check the 0.20-fixes branch for anything pertaining to "mythreplex" in the patches applied to it?

[07:52:32]

Trentster:

ServerSage, looks like it might have done the trick, havent managed to get it to crash yet, been jumping up and down the menus and loading videos music and newsfeeds atr andom.....

[07:52:51]

juski:

pat_: it's unlikely many (if any) changes have been backported to -fixes

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Trentster:

ServerSage, could just be a coincedence casue sometimes it would only crash once or twice a day

[07:53:08]

juski:

pat_: in any case you should check the -commit archive

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ServerSage:

Trentster: Awesome. I will keep my fingers crossed for ya. ;)

[07:54:37]

pat_:

juski: I'm trying to compile the ubuntu dapper-backports packages with the latest 0.20-fixes svn version instead of the version shipped with the package (#11365) the only patch in the ubuntu patches which doesn't apply is mythreplex

[07:54:59]

pat_:

where are the commit archives?

[07:55:04]

pat_:

ie, mailing list?

[07:55:16]

hads:

Yeah

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juski:

pat_: that's a bit of a daft way to go about it. If I were you I'd remove the packages & just check out the very latest -fixes from SVN

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** pat_ looks **

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** hads agrees with juski **

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juski:

pat_: don't just check out mythtv either. get the plugins & themes too. ./configure, then make then make install mythtv before building the plugins

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juski:

and for pity's sake back up your database first

[07:56:23]

pat_:

yeah, I've got all three

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pat_:

database is backed up daily

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juski:

so don't mess with patches, just build what you've got

[07:57:35]

juski:

you don't stand a chance of getting the latest -fixes otherwise. if the changes to mythreplex haven't been backported it's a case of either hard cheese, or else you have some work ahead of you

[07:57:46]

pat_:

ok

[07:58:17]

juski:

when changes to trunk don't get backported there's generally a good reason for it (too much work)

[07:59:03]

pat_:

oh, I'm just wondering if they have been backported. (I don't even know what mythreplex does)

[07:59:08]

juski:

btw when you say mythreplex you DO mean the actual command called mythreplex not the whole transport recording don't you?

[07:59:47]

juski:

only asking because that's a potentially awesome new feature coming up which is currently only in its own branch

[08:00:08]

pat_:

when I refer to is a 49 line patch under the ubuntu package patches

[08:00:21]

pat_:

I'm not sure what it does, or if I need it

[08:00:31]

hads:

heh, just ignore it then.

[08:00:49]

pat_:

I'm compiling without it at the moment, just wanted to see if it was backported

[08:00:55]

pat_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12376

[08:01:00]

pat_:

probably those changes :)

[08:01:04]

pat_:

but I wanted ot check

[08:01:26]

Speedy2:

replex == lets you record several programs from the same multiplex/transponder?

[08:02:50]

juski:

Speedy2: no

[08:03:00]

juski:

mythreplex remultiplexes mpeg streams

[08:03:07]

hads:

Just sounds a little similar

[08:03:12]

juski:

REmultiPLEX ;)

[08:03:39]

juski:

it's used by mytharchive & mythtranscode iirc

[08:03:54]

pat_:

anyway, I'll see how it goes without the patch, it's got the latest 0.20-fixes along with a couple of debian path specific patches

[08:04:02]

pat_:

which I do follow :)

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juski:

pat_: that patch was committed

[08:04:36]

juski:

well rather changeset 12376 was

[08:04:45]

pat_:

juski, which is why the ubuntu patch won't apply

[08:04:47]

Dibblah:

Really silly question. On channels marked non-commercial, how does the seektable get generated?

[08:05:17]

Dibblah:

More specifically, recently I'm not seeing the seektable being generated in that case.

[08:05:18]

pat_:

juski, I'll suck it and see, I've got my old packages and database to switch back if anything stuffs up

[08:05:20]

juski:

Dibblah: gets generated on the fly – the 'commfree' column just flags whether or not auto commflagging takes place

[08:05:49]

Dibblah:

juski: AFAIK, commflagging also builds the seektable, no?

[08:05:59]

juski:

pat_: here's the thing okay.. it's a *changeset* which means stuff was committed. if it were just a ticket # with a patch attached.. ;)

[08:06:23]

juski:

Dibblah: commflagging can alter the seektable IIRC

[08:06:50]

Dibblah:

Okay. On BBC One, I get no seektable.

[08:06:52]

juski:

i.e. insert flag markers (commercial start, commercial end etc)

[08:07:07]

Speedy2:

How does a channel get marked non-commercial? (can that be adjusted manually?)

[08:07:12]

Dibblah:

ie it falls back to ffmpeg seeking.

[08:07:27]

juski:

Dibblah: the seektable should be constructed for a recording as it goes along regardless of commflagging

[08:07:28]

Dibblah:

(for ffwd, etc)

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hads:

Speedy2: mythtv-setup

[08:07:45]

juski:

Speedy2: in mythtv-setup's channel editor or mythweb

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Dibblah:

juski: Yup. That was my expectation.

[08:08:41]

Dibblah:

And it also appears to me that ffmpeg seeking is busted :(

[08:11:36]

Speedy2:

The only setting I see in mythweb is "commfree" in the /settings/tv/channels . Is that to indicate it's commercial free or commflag should run on it?

[08:11:46]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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Dibblah:

(commercial free)

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juski:

Speedy2: if you have commflagging set to run automatically on every recording by default, recordings from channels with 'commfree' set do not get flagged. it's as simple as that

[08:15:17]

Speedy2:

10–4

[08:19:49]

Dibblah:

Okay, no, I'm wrong.

[08:19:53]

Dibblah:

It's even odder.

[08:20:28]

Dibblah:

The recording is not having any type 6 (GOP_START)s...

[08:20:44]

Dibblah:

Plenty of type 9 (GOP_BYFRAME)...

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Speedy2:

Thanks for the info juski, Dibblah

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juski:

Dibblah: maybe a transmission problem if it's missing that kind of thing...

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juski:

assuming it's dvb-t sourced :)

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juski:

heh. just been given a lend of an elonex media centre pc to 'see what can be done' with it

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Daviey:

juski: I'm sure it's ebayable :)

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juski:

Daviey: lol. it's got a hvr1100 & hvr1300 inside. pity only the digital side of both works in linux. also a great pity about the ATI rubbish inside

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Daviey:

Is there anything but digital?

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Daviey:

Do they still transmit that analog rubbish?

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juski:

sadly, yes

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Daviey:

:0

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juski:

plenty of digital rubbish too though don't forget :-P

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Daviey:

yeah, no doubt they'll scrap the awesome neighbours for something poor

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juski:

awesome? roflmao

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juski:

who needs antipodean soaps for eye candy while there's Hollywhores though? ;)

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Daviey:

\o/

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help i cant get mythweb to work

[12:40:11]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have fiesty

[12:40:27]

laga:

ask away

[12:41:19]

ubuntuEdgy:

it stopped when i upgraded to feisty.

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tm_:

ubuntuEdgy ; yes ask

[12:41:37]

ubuntuEdgy:

when i type 192.168.1.10 i get an error

[12:42:09]

ubuntuEdgy:

Internal Server Error

[12:42:09]

ubuntuEdgy:

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

[12:42:17]

ubuntuEdgy:

please feel free to try

[12:42:19]

tm_:

with mythweb

[12:42:23]

tm_:

?

[12:42:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

yeh . 192.168.1.10/mythweb

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laga:

ubuntuEdgy: what does /var/log/apache2* say?

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ubuntuEdgy:

like this http://192.168.1.10/mythweb

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tm_:

are you sure that apache is running ? , check logs ?

[12:43:01]

fryfrog:

check your error_log

[12:43:07]

ubuntuEdgy:

i did

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fryfrog:

my guess is the change from htpasswd -> htdigest

[12:43:24]

fryfrog:

I think feisty went from apache 2.0 -> 2.2

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laga:

yeah, right

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ubuntuEdgy:

check this out ...192.168.1.6 – - [24/Jul/2007:13:19:42 +0100] "GET /mythweb HTTP/1.1" 500 616 "-" "Opera/9.22 (X11; Linux i686; U; en)"

[12:43:31]

laga:

fryfrog: yes, you are right.

[12:43:36]

fryfrog:

that is your *access_log*

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fryfrog:

look at the *error_log*

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laga:

and for fuck's sake. ubuntuEdgy, learn to ask questions properly please.

[12:44:52]

ubuntuEdgy:

im so noobish

[12:45:02]

fryfrog:

damn noobs!

[12:45:17]

fryfrog:

back in my day, i had to walk uphill in the snow both ways to ask a question!

[12:45:25]

laga:

heh

[12:45:30]

ubuntuEdgy:

??

[12:45:33]

Dagmar:

Back in my day we had to post to usenet to ask a question

[12:45:37]

ubuntuEdgy:

any way here http://pastebin.ca/index.php

[12:45:38]

fryfrog:

get off my lawn!

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ubuntuEdgy:

oops ,....http://pastebin.ca/631869

[12:46:31]

fryfrog:

you don't seem to have php loading

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laga:

ubuntuEdgy: did you upgrade your mythweb as well when you upgraded to feisty?

[12:46:44]

ubuntuEdgy:

yes :P

[12:46:55]

fryfrog:

first, i'd try "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 reload"

[12:47:09]

fryfrog:

then look at the last bit of the error_log, does it mention PHP?

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laga:

ubuntuEdgy: is your mythweb password-protected?

[12:47:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

i try-ed to reconfigure it with no luck

[12:47:23]

ubuntuEdgy:

laga

[12:47:25]

ubuntuEdgy:

yes

[12:47:47]

laga:

ubuntuEdgy: then edit /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess

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ubuntuEdgy:

it dose not ask me for the password

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fryfrog:

laga: i think we need to make sure php is being loaded, the "php_value" errors indicate it isn't

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have a problem

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ubuntuEdgy:

i cannot install php4-mysql

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laga:

and change AuthDigestFile to AuthUserFile

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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laga:

fryfrog: ah, i didn't look at the error_log.

[12:49:32]

fryfrog:

you probably want php5-mysql

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fryfrog:

feisty also went form php4->php5 afaik

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ubuntuEdgy:

No candidate version found for php4-mysql

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ubuntuEdgy:

i see thanks

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juski:

hey ubuntuEdgy I saw where you got the idea for that theme you alleged to be working on. another mediaportal skin rip-off :-P

[12:50:19]

ubuntuEdgy:

i said that when i stated work on it :P

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fryfrog:

mythweb should join gophp5.org

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ubuntuEdgy:

couldnt agree more

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fryfrog:

said what ubuntuEdgy?

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ubuntuEdgy:

its called a port juski :)

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juski:

users should stop saying should

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laga:

should should should

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ubuntuEdgy:

should***

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ubuntuEdgy:

should

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski.............. should

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juski:

anyway as if I don't have enough work to do I've begun work on my HTPC case design

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: should the fug up!

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh you should

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ubuntuEdgy:

AuthDigestFile to AuthUserFile........done

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fryfrog:

did you reload apache2?

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fryfrog:

i still don't think you are even starting up php

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes.

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ubuntuEdgy:

im going to start php

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fryfrog:

you don't *start* php

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fryfrog:

you need to setup apache2 to load the php module

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fryfrog:

you should have 2 files i believe, "php5.conf" and "php5.load" in the /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ directory

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ubuntuEdgy:

in what conf file ? sudo nano /etc/httpd/conf/ **

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ubuntuEdgy:

i se

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fryfrog:

mods-enabled/php5.conf -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf

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laga:

you just sudo a2enmod php5, don't you?

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fryfrog:

they are symlinks, like ^^ above

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fryfrog:

oh yeah, thanks

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fryfrog:

i always forget how ubuntu/debian does apache :)

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laga:

that's easier :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

so should work after sudo a2enmod php5

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fryfrog:

way :)

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fryfrog:

you'll need to /etc/init.d/apache2 reload

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fryfrog:

then hit the page and perhaps look at error_log again

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ubuntuEdgy:

sudo a2enmod php5

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ubuntuEdgy:

Module php5 installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable.

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have run it*

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fryfrog:

spiffy, how is teh mythweb now then?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[12:59:03]

ubuntuEdgy:

f*ckin get in

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ubuntuEdgy:

it asked for the password but did not work after that

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fryfrog:

check error_log

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fryfrog:

you are probably pointing an "AuthDigest" to a .htpasswd

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ubuntuEdgy:

cpu just juped to 100

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fryfrog:

you can use htdigest to create a new .htdigest file in the new format

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laga:

fryfrog: AFAIK, the change from htpasswd to htdigest did not happen from edgy->feisty. it happened some time between 0.19 and 0.20 AFAIK

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh get this .... Could not open password file: /etc/apache2/mythweb-passwords

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fryfrog:

ah

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ubuntuEdgy:

ihave no /etc/apache2/mythweb-passwords

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ubuntuEdgy:

i looked at /etc/apache2/ for mythweb-passwords

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tm_:

this is in /etc/mythtv/mythweb-password no ?

[13:02:41]

juski:

bunty been friggin with apache again? they'll be popular

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tm_:

mythweb-htaccess sorry

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fryfrog:

try "htdigest -c /etc/apache2/mythweb-passwords <username> MythTV

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ubuntuEdgy:

tm_: found it at /etc/mythtv

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laga:

juski: the mythtv packages never supplied a /etc/apache2/mythweb-passwords file. guess the end user broke it this time :P

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** juski guffaws **

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tm_:

btw : fryfrog i have a feity + apache 2.2.3–3.2build1 , it seems ok with htpasswd , how can i check ?

[13:04:11]

fryfrog:

if htpasswd is working for you, there is no reason to switch to htdigest

[13:04:21]

ubuntuEdgy:

New password:

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tm_:

however i have build .deb form SVN

[13:04:26]

fryfrog:

htdigest is just a little stronger, afaik and has "realms"

[13:06:56]

ubuntuEdgy:

Mythweb Keeps on asking for a password

[13:07:17]

fryfrog:

check error_log

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ubuntuEdgy:

tyanks

[13:07:48]

juski:

don't most people *want* passwordyness ?

[13:08:33]

ubuntuEdgy:

[error] [client 192.168.1.6] user sexmachine not found: /mythweb

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ubuntuEdgy:

:P

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fryfrog:

ahahhah

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fryfrog:

check the .htaccess file in mythweb, it has directions you can use from here to get it up

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ubuntuEdgy:

=-O

[13:09:52]

fryfrog:

you just need to make sure your "auth" is "AuthDigest" and you've created a proper digest file with htdigest

[13:10:59]

ubuntuEdgy:

it was acualy AuthType Basic

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

sorry, so if you switch to "digest" i guess it would be "AuthType Digest"?

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ubuntuEdgy:

AuthType Digest

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ubuntuEdgy:

:-P yep

[13:12:36]

fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/631896

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fryfrog:

that is what is in my .htaccess file

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fryfrog:

of course you need to point the file to the right place

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ubuntuEdgy:

mines http://pastebin.ca/631899

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fryfrog:

you should probably use "require valid-user"

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fryfrog:

and then do "htdigest -c /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords sexmachine MythTV

[13:16:26]

fryfrog:

htdigest

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fryfrog:

oops

[13:16:41]

fryfrog:

oops, that was backwards

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fryfrog:

htdigest -c /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords MythTV sexmachine" :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahh i see

[13:23:09]

ubuntuEdgy:

"/mythweb": Password Mismatch

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ubuntuEdgy:

from the log8

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ubuntuEdgy:

shouldnt this AuthUserFile /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords

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ubuntuEdgy:

be

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ubuntuEdgy:

/etc/mythtv/mythweb-htcacces

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fryfrog:

it should be what ever you created

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fryfrog:

it isn't *fixed*, it can be anything you want

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ubuntuEdgy:

because of ....htdigest -c /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords sexmachine MythTV

[13:27:56]

fryfrog:

yeah, but reverse it

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fryfrog:

it should have ben realm, THEN username

[13:28:15]

fryfrog:

so your username is probably "MythTV" and the realm is "sexmachine"

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ubuntuEdgy:

it shoud be /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords

[13:28:26]

fryfrog:

no

[13:28:29]

fryfrog:

i mean,

[13:28:31]

fryfrog:

yeah that is fine

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ubuntuEdgy:

wait i get you now

[13:28:39]

fryfrog:

htdigest -c /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords MythTV sexmachine

[13:28:48]

ubuntuEdgy:

yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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fryfrog:

you can `cat /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords` to make sure its all right

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ubuntuEdgy:

sexmachine::MythTV:3bdd5de56b984f01b3508433dd05d19cd

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ubuntuEdgy:

should work?

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ubuntuEdgy:

should*

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ubuntuEdgy:

its hard nut to crack.

[13:31:57]

ubuntuEdgy:

still no luck

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ubuntuEdgy:

[client 192.168.1.6] user sexmachine not found: /mythweb

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont understand it

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ubuntuEdgy:

AuthUserFile /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords

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ubuntuEdgy:

im going to change this line * Require valid-user

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fryfrog:

the format is correct for the file

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fryfrog:

OH

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fryfrog:

you are making changes in the httpd.conf, not .htpasswd

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ubuntuEdgy:

just to see

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fryfrog:

you need to /etc/init.d/apache2 reload to make them take effect

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh ... done it about 30 tinmes already

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ubuntuEdgy:

once more just in case

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fryfrog:

ah

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ubuntuEdgy:

it says user not found

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ubuntuEdgy:

*from the error log fryfrog

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fryfrog:

make sure you are pointed to the right file

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ubuntuEdgy:

:/etc/httpd/conf$ ls

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ubuntuEdgy:

httpd.conf httpd.conf~ httpd-passwords

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ubuntuEdgy:

fryfrog: htdigest -c /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords MythTV sexmachine

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats the "MythTV" for

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ubuntuEdgy:

realm?

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fryfrog:

yeah

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ubuntuEdgy:

why caps ....why not just mythtv

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fryfrog:

can you pastebin that portion?

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fryfrog:

just need to set it the same in both places

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fryfrog:

if it is "MythTV" in your httpd.conf, needs to be MythTV in the .htdigest file

[13:45:56]

ubuntuEdgy:

AuthName "MythTV"

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ubuntuEdgy:

so it there

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fryfrog:

yeah

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ubuntuEdgy:

.htdigest?

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ubuntuEdgy:

ohh i see

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ubuntuEdgy:

sorry

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fryfrog:

well, thats the "tyupical" name of the file

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fryfrog:

but of course you can name it anything

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ubuntuEdgy:

htdigest -c /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords MythTV sexmachine" :)

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fryfrog:

yeah

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok.

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fryfrog:

but w/o the " at the end

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ubuntuEdgy:

sorry?

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fryfrog:

you have an extra " at the end, i think i had it on the end of mine way up there

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ubuntuEdgy:

its ok :P

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ubuntuEdgy:

i removed it

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have retryed with password 1

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ubuntuEdgy:

whant to try ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

pasword is 1

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fryfrog:

?

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ubuntuEdgy:

try and connect

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ubuntuEdgy:

want you to see what it dose

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats this Order allow,deny

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ubuntuEdgy:

Allow from all

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juski:

list of allowed hosts

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juski:

i.e. hosts allowed to connect to the server

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahh i should have some thing there

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahhh

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ubuntuEdgy:

like me 192.168.1.6

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juski:

if you want to restrict access to an ip range you need stuff there

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juski:

I use that and htpasswd

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ubuntuEdgy:

can i remove it altogether

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juski:

I wouldn't

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont need all this complicated stuff right now

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ubuntuEdgy:

*just for now

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juski:

I wouldn't

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juski:

the defaults are pretty sensible

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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juski:

only when folks futz with them does stuff go wrong. startling!

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ubuntuEdgy:

im going to try firefox

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ubuntuEdgy:

:(

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Hhhhh:

hi!

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juski:

well done for finding the right channel for mythtv users :)

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Hhhhh:

hehe, thx :)

[14:00:41]

Hhhhh:

ok, question

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Hhhhh:

*OT* as an alternative to using a PC running PVR software such as MythTV, if I want to use a set-top box, do I *have* to get a subscription?

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Hhhhh:

sorry for OT, if you know of a better place to ask, please let me know

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juski:

sounds like a question about stuff you're not supposed to talk about here. i.e. illegal things

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KaiForce:

speaking of OT but legal, how can I, in a bash script, extract the name of the most recently created file in a directory?

[14:02:03]

Hhhhh:

I just want PVR capabilities + progamming guide + rewind-live-TV stuff without having to pay for a subscription, and I don't have a spare box to run MythTV off

[14:02:23]

juski:

Hhhhh: you don't get pay tv without paying for it. that would be illegal!

[14:02:43]

Hhhhh:

juski, I have cable already

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fryfrog:

KaiForce: ls -ltr | tail -1

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Hhhhh:

I just want some PVR functionality but I can't spare a box to run MythTV

[14:03:04]

KaiForce:

fryfrog you rule thanks

[14:03:11]

KaiForce:

duh tail, i'm such a dik

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juski:

Hhhhh: so get a 2nd hand tivo with a lifetime subscription then :-P

[14:03:25]

Hhhhh:

what's the subscription for?

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juski:

for the EPG data

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Hhhhh:

never understood that

[14:03:35]

Hhhhh:

oh

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Hhhhh:

EPG = programming guide info, right?

[14:03:47]

fryfrog:

Hhhhh: get tivo, it'll work w/o the subscription but it won't do PVR, just like VCR

[14:03:47]

juski:

TV guide data doesn't grow on trees ya know!

[14:04:01]

** juski laughs **

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Hhhhh:

hehe

[14:04:21]

juski:

except in the UK, where it does

[14:04:33]

ubuntuEdgy:

uk baby

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juski:

nah I mustn't mock. we might end up in the same boat one day

[14:04:58]

Hhhhh:

now, if I understand correctly, MythTV uses servers that have the TV guide info, such as the currently missing Zap2It, right?

[14:05:18]

Hhhhh:

is there a set-top box that could do that as well, or I'd need a computer running MythTV or similar software?

[14:05:36]

fryfrog:

you could get a STB from your cable / sat co?

[14:05:39]

fryfrog:

or a Tivo?

[14:05:42]

juski:

Hhhhh: you can buy HDD PVR units, standalone things. some even have dvd burners

[14:05:57]

Hhhhh:

my cable provider uses Zap2It

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juski:

they won't do anything fancy like change channels on the cable box though

[14:06:08]

Hhhhh:

as the official TV guide, long to explain

[14:06:32]

Hhhhh:

juski, yea, see, I wanted something that could do that and all the other PVR functionality

[14:06:53]

fryfrog:

why would anyone sell a PVR w/o a subscription service?

[14:06:53]

juski:

Hhhhh: Tribune re-sell the data to lots of other companies – even back to the TV companies sometimes

[14:06:58]

Hhhhh:

in other words, I can't get all the MythTV functionality on a set-top box unless I pay Tivo subscription?

[14:07:02]

Hhhhh:

I think that is my question

[14:07:07]

fryfrog:

right, that is true

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juski:

fryfrog: most of them are just like a vcr really

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juski:

a vcr with the ability to watch & record at the same time

[14:07:55]

juski:

Hhhhh: if you want fancy features, pay fancy money

[14:08:00]

juski:

or get mythtv

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Hhhhh:

darn it, so I guess either get a spare box to run MythTV or similar, or I pay Tivo subs

[14:08:26]

juski:

FWIW there's no solution from even a cable provider that can do as much as mythtv does

[14:08:37]

bb_:

hey guys, I just got my mythtv all setup and everything seems to be working on the backend...I have direct tv and its going out the SVIDEO from my dtv reciever

[14:08:53]

juski:

they still haven't bought into the idea of *convergence*

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bb_:

and then going to my pvr 150 SVIDEO in

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Hhhhh:

I imagine. I haven't played with it (yet), but from what I hear, it almost prints money!! ;) kudos to devs

[14:09:16]

juski:

bb_: and?

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bb_:

however I am not seeing any tv

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bb_:

is this setup correctly?

[14:09:50]

bb_:

or is this the best way to be setup

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Hhhhh:

so, the thing is, I have a spare box (that I intended for other purposes, really but oh well). I still need to get a hauppage 150 pvr card and a cheap nvidia card

[14:10:17]

Hhhhh:

I guess that's a better option than buying a crippled set-top box or paying a monthly fee

[14:10:18]

juski:

bb_: you need to make sure the 'video source' you put all your channels on is bound to the tuner's svideo input within 'input connections' like the docs would say :)

[14:10:26]

Hhhhh:

+ buying the PVR set-top box

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fryfrog:

bb_: make sure you have the "listings" bound to the svideo input on the PVR150

[14:10:51]

KaiForce:

bb_ sounds right, take juski's advice

[14:10:52]

fryfrog:

not the tuner/rca

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Hhhhh:

any recommendations on any prebuilt and preconfigured MythTV distros? (LinuxMCE, Mythbuntu, KnoppMyth)?

[14:11:23]

fryfrog:

you can go into watch live tv too, and Y will switch inputs afaik

[14:11:31]

juski:

Hhhhh: linuxmce is a white elephant

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bb_:

cool! so svideo is the best way to go from my reciever to my pvr 150

[14:11:44]

Hhhhh:

juski, what do you mean by white elephant?

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juski:

fryfrog: you can't do that until an input connection is defined

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Hhhhh:

sorry, not familiar with that slang

[14:11:59]

KaiForce:

bb it would be my choice if I had it on my receiver

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juski:

Hhhhh: alpha. waste of time at the moment

[14:12:03]

Hhhhh:

k

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Hhhhh:

Mythbuntu?

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KaiForce:

i'm using coax

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Hhhhh:

opinions?

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juski:

would avoid mythbuntu aswell

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fryfrog:

yeah, svideo has the highest quality of the 3 SD options

[14:12:25]

Hhhhh:

juski, why?

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juski:

Hhhhh: alpha

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fryfrog:

Personally, I'd just go with a full distro and set it up

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Hhhhh:

juski, any non-alpha prebuilt and shrinkwrapped MythTV installations?

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fryfrog:

Ubuntu Feisty is my preference

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juski:

IF you follow the docs, ubuntu makes it dead easy

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Hhhhh:

I decided my days of source tinkering are over for good

[14:13:26]

juski:

if you have your brain plugged in, knoppmyth makes it easy too

[14:13:27]

Hhhhh:

juski, so what's the diff between using mythbuntu and ubuntu + apt-get mythtv

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juski:

Hhhhh: one is highly beta, the other is not

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Hhhhh:

k

[14:14:53]

Hhhhh:

how would an Athlon XP 2000+ 512Mb + Hauppage WinTV 150 MCE + GeForce 6200 128Mb fare in MythTV for SDTV?

[14:15:08]

Hhhhh:

crappy, decent, bare-minimal?

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juski:

just fine

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Hhhhh:

fine or good

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juski:

very decent

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Hhhhh:

cool

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laga:

yup

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Hhhhh:

do you guys I could both run MythTV and a small scale proxy (squid, just 2–3 computers in LAN) on it, and still work fine?

[14:16:35]

juski:

have my themes been included in mythbuntu? still considering changing the licence conditions......

[14:16:40]

laga:

hum. isn't a proxy rather memory-hungry? maybe you should add some more RAM

[14:16:50]

laga:

juski: dunno yet. i dont think so

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Hhhhh:

well, again, it is only 2–3 machines in LAN

[14:17:06]

Hhhhh:

but again you may be right. I don't know about proxies yet

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juski:

personally I wouldn't leave a mythtv box connected directly to the internet

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KaiForce:

install shorewall

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KaiForce:

if you do

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fryfrog:

I wouldn't combine a mythtv w/ proxy/firewall

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fryfrog:

If you aren't on dial up, a proxy is a *huge* waste for 2–3 users. Just get a $50 linksys router and put dd-wrt on it to get some spiffy features

[14:22:29]

juski:

yeah if the firewall gets busy (it likely will) you don't want it eating mythtv performance

[14:23:42]

juski:

heheheh. everybody who's been in the lab today has been commenting on how damn *ugly* that Elonex Artisan machine is :-P

[14:28:22]

ubuntuEdgy:

:(

[14:28:56]

Daviey:

pmsl on the ML – [mythtv-users] Using Microsoft Access as a front-end to the MythTV database: HOWTO

[14:29:21]

ubuntuEdgy:

:'(usr not found: /mythweb

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juski:

Daviey: not in the archive yet then

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Daviey:

it's just *wrong*

[14:30:16]

juski:

Daviey: I pmsl @ the usual 'xyz SHOULD' threads – esp the recent stuff about mythmusic. thing is I just haven't seen any patches yet

[14:30:35]

juski:

oh fack. there I go being evil again

[14:30:50]

Daviey:

it's the lack of cigs

[14:31:17]

juski:

you know something? it's been so long since I quite I dunno how long it's been

[14:31:24]

juski:

s/quite/quit

[14:31:38]

Daviey:

I gave up in Jan/Feb – went 8 weeks

[14:31:59]

juski:

I think I gave up some time in March

[14:32:04]

Daviey:

luckily i had a dose of flu and pnemonia to help :)

[14:32:38]

Daviey:

The pnemonia does gently encourage lots more than nicorette

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Daviey:

*fact*

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laga:

it's ikea time for me now. someone help me.

[14:33:09]

juski:

Daviey: cold turkey FTW!

[14:33:13]

Daviey:

laga: i have an ol' pallet that you can buy for Â£80 as a bed

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juski:

laga: don't do it!

[14:33:46]

juski:

I bought too much furniture from CrapKea when I first got my own place. big mistake

[14:33:48]

laga:

Daviey: new week is to be delivered in two weeks ;)

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Daviey:

new week in two weeks?

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Daviey:

i'd feel ripped of.. i'd expect a new week nextweek

[14:34:10]

laga:

err

[14:34:18]

laga:

i'm confused. fear of ikea, i guess.

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laga:

Daviey: new bed is to be delivered in two weeks.

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juski:

two weeks isn't a long time to wait for a new week. if you bought the week from SCS it'd take 6 weeks to arrive, minimum

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Daviey:

btw.. argos beds are naff

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juski:

ahh you know what the best thing about skipping ads is? never having to see another sofa commercial

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Daviey:

what about Steve whatisface? that's the only time he's on tv

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** juski shouts "CILLIT BANG!" at Daviey **

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laga:

gah :(

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Daviey:

And how will you know when the neverending sale, never starts?

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juski:

they only have 2 sales a year – they both last 6 months

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Daviey:

juski: a few years ago; i got a cillit bang presentation kit for my bday.. that was a suprise!

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juski:

lol

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juski:

I still need to myther my boss to sign my holiday for tomorrow. 35 tomorrow :)

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Daviey:

yeah, almost halfway eh?

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ole_git:

nickerv won't let me have miserable_ole_git :(

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miserable_ole_gi:

O RLY?

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ole_git:

where was the 't' then?

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ubuntuEdgy:

is this right root 1 2007-07–24 15:36 /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords

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ole_git:

ubuntuEdgy: tried #apache ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

no

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ubuntuEdgy:

i haven't

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** juski isn't even gonna suggest reading the apache docs then... **

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ubuntuEdgy:

what docs

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ubuntuEdgy:

acually i read that

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juski:

what is it you're trying to do anyway? just password protect mythweb?

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ubuntuEdgy:

no just get in the drn thing

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ubuntuEdgy:

i just want to log on

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juski:

so it's password protected by default?

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ubuntuEdgy:

no

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ubuntuEdgy:

i upgraded to feisty and it screwed things up

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juski:

ah

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juski:

that was silly. upgrading distros breaks stuff. always

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ubuntuEdgy:

wel now i know

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juski:

I think there are 2 kinds of people. those who break stuff when they update like that & those who get away with it & nothing gets broken. I've been one of each, the times I've used apt-get dist upgrade

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juski:

probably takes more time in the long run to update a distro than do a fresh install & restore a backup database

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ubuntuEdgy:

will the peaple at ~apache know about mythweb ?

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juski:

it's not about mythweb though is it?

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ubuntuEdgy:

wait and see :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

it is

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juski:

mythweb doesn't give you any rubbish about 'logging in'

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juski:

it's apache which deals with security

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh but it didnt even work in the fisrt place with no "security"

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juski:

did you read the .htaccess file that comes with mythweb?

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juski:

this has gone round in circles, I feel...

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ubuntuEdgy:

the one that talks about connecting to mysql ?

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juski:

what was the *exact* error mythweb spat out?

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mrdigital:

MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Could not set MPEG controlseno: Invalid argument (22)

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mrdigital:

whay does that mean?

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fryfrog:

sorry, no idea

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mrdigital:

fryfrog: this is what im getting after that

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DGnome:

Hi! http://pastebin.ca/632030 happened during mythtv svn compile on ppc arch. Any ideas?

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mrdigital:

RingBuf(/home/rob/share/1000_20070724015029.mpg): Invalid file i get that when starting live tv

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juski:

mrdigital: tuner configured correctly? got the correct type defined in mythtv-setup?

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mrdigital:

yup

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mrdigital:

if i go to mythweb

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juski:

tested & known to work in linux?

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mrdigital:

i see the tuner working in a little box on the left

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mrdigital:

and it does work in TvTime

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mintee:

mernin

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juski:

mrdigital: what kind of tuner card?

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mrdigital:

Avermedia M150-D

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mintee:

i had a weird issue yesterday... with myth. I was about to wash dishes, but hell's kitchen was about to come on, so i went out and paused it, finished doing the dishes and went out and unpaused it, everything was fine til a commercial came and i went to ffwd

[15:18:36]

juski:

didn't think tvtime worked with hardware encoders

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mintee:

it wouldn't, i lost all control expect pause, i couldn rrwd, or ffwd, only pause... when the show was over, i hit the back button on the remote and everything went back to normal, have any of you had such probelm with live tv? (it was HD)

[15:18:44]

mrdigital:

MPG2 HW Encoder

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mrdigital:

juski: it doesn't.. it used it as a framegrabber

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juski:

mrdigital: so then you don't know if it works in linux then!

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mrdigital:

people say it does

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juski:

you know the lamegrabber part works but not the hardware encoder

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mrdigital:

and theres a howto for mythtv

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juski:

NO I mean 'works on your box'

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juski:

to determine if a hardware encoder works you cat the device to a file & play the resulting mpeg2 file

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juski:

if you've not done that, don't even bother trying mythtv

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ocgltd:

Does anyone know what timezone the automatic MYTHFILLDATABASE is run at? In the settings datbase I see a value for MythFillSuggestedRunTime. Is that local timezone, or UTC?

[15:20:51]

mrdigital:

junki: can i change the channel on a cat? it displays a blue screen (indicating theres no channel selected)

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juski:

mrdigital: you have a big unknown there. does the mpeg2 encoder work on your box?

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mrdigital:

i belive it does

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mrdigital:

holdon

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juski:

you can use the ivtvtune (or whatever it is) command

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mrdigital:

i think myth doesnt have proper pemissions

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juski:

usually you should see 'snow'

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juski:

mrdigital: if the tuner card is owned by the 'video' group then the 'mythtv' user should be a member of that group

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mrdigital:

no its weird

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mrdigital:

if i do adduser. mythuser it says this user is already here

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mrdigital:

if i look in the actual list

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mrdigital:

its not

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mrdigital:

command unkown for ivtvcrl and ivtvtune

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mrdigital:

i got it

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mrdigital:

hmm whats the syntax to change channels?

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ocgltd:

Can someone help with a simple mythfilldatabase question: In the settings datbase I see a value for MythFillSuggestedRunTime. Is that local timezone, or UTC?

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ubuntuEdgy:

change --x n-po -o [ '

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ubuntuEdgy:

>:ojust jkin i dont knwo

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mintee:

ocgltd, should be localtime iirc

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mintee:

I'm going to reask my question

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mintee:

i had a weird issue yesterday... with myth. I was about to wash dishes, but hell's kitchen was about to come on, so i went out and paused it, finished doing the dishes and went out and unpaused it, everything was fine til a commercial came and i went to ffwd

[15:29:25]

mintee:

it wouldn't, i lost all control expect pause, i couldn rrwd, or ffwd, only pause... when the show was over, i hit the back button on the remote and everything went back to normal, have any of you had such probelm with live tv? (it was HD)

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mintee:

sorry i inturupted a previous conversation

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ocgltd:

mintee: thx

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ubuntuEdgy:

can some run this commend please ls -l /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-passwords

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ubuntuEdgy:

and let me know the out come

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fryfrog:

what would be the point? people would have to have their shit setup exactly like yours

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mintee:

file not found :P

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mintee:

lul

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fryfrog:

and that isn't even going to help you

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ubuntuEdgy:

i might

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ubuntuEdgy:

mines says -rw-rw-r-- 1 664

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fryfrog:

so that is read for everyone

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh

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ubuntuEdgy:

should work

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ubuntuEdgy:

i cant wait to nail this problem its going to be fun.

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** mintee assumes that no body has had the same issue with not being able to rrwnd or ffwd after live tv had been paused for 20 minutes? **

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats you drive capacity ?.

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mintee:

500BG, 20% free

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ubuntuEdgy:

note im a noob

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mintee:

no offence, but I know

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mintee:

:P

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ubuntuEdgy:

check for errors in error logs

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fryfrog:

ahahh

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ubuntuEdgy:

huh ?

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fryfrog:

ubuntuEdgy: honestly, you are pretty hard to help :(

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ubuntuEdgy:

hard problem ?

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fryfrog:

from what i can see, you have your stuff setup right.

[15:38:02]

fryfrog:

is there something in your .htaccess file that is over-riding your settings?

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ubuntuEdgy:

thanks ;)

[15:38:16]

fryfrog:

no, you are just a difficult person to help (no offense)

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ubuntuEdgy:

no true at all

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ubuntuEdgy:

i just come up with hard problems

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ubuntuEdgy:

yet they still call me noob

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ubuntuEdgy:

i done every thing you said

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ubuntuEdgy:

?

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mintee:

heh

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mintee:

fryfrog, so didja overlook my question?

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fryfrog:

this is a pretty simple problem

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fryfrog:

you've got something wrong in your httpd.conf, .htaccess or .htpasswd

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fryfrog:

mintee: i saw yours, but i *never* use livetv :(

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fryfrog:

only thing i can offer is ignore it this time, see if you can make it happen again

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ubuntuEdgy:

i once also had the same issue *look at the error logs* they speel out what you should do

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ubuntuEdgy:

oops spell*

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ubuntuEdgy:

how can i take a look at htaccess

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Dagmar:

For god's sake man

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alieas:

ha

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Dagmar:

I KNOW you've been told how to read text files by now

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Dagmar:

Smoke less dope!

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ubuntuEdgy:

/usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/.htaccess ?

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mintee:

right on...

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ubuntuEdgy:

whatever

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bbrooks:

lol :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

:-D wanker's these days. i tell you

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blackest:

anyone here run zoneminder ?

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blackest:

i think i've probably got a problem with ffmpeg or permissions

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leprechau:

mythtv is working great with one last issue....after I finally got XV working with my nvidia gf2 go...anything that mythtv plays has a faint blue box around it...it's not bad on fullscreen content but widescreen content it's really annoying

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ubuntuEdgy:

fryfrog: i had never seen htaccess before

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ubuntuEdgy:

can you find some errors on that ?

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fryfrog:

did you pastebin it?

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ubuntuEdgy:

one sec

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ubuntuEdgy:

do you know how to select all text using nano

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ubuntuEdgy:

*sudo nano*

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fryfrog:

well, if you are ssh'd in from windows... with putty or something, just highlight it

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fryfrog:

otherwise, w/in the same document you can use ctrl-k and ctrl-...

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fryfrog:

ctrl-u to cut/paste

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Dagmar:

leprechau: Run `xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0

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Dagmar:

leprechau: er. run `xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0` after you start X, just before you start the frontend

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leprechau:

Dagmar, wow...im not the only one with that problem apparently ;}

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leprechau:

thank you

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Dagmar:

It doesn't actually make the blue box go away, but it does paint it black

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leprechau:

Dagmar, that's all i need ;}

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Dagmar:

There's been various offset-by-one errors in that code forever now

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fryfrog:

what is doing it?

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leprechau:

don't guess i should even ask why they haven't been fixed ehh?

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leprechau:

;p

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fryfrog:

is the image just smaller than it should be?

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Dagmar:

One pixel smaller, or one pixel to the right or left of what it should be usually

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leprechau:

firefr, well i thought it was just something with me but apparently not

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leprechau:

ehh fryfrog

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ubuntuEdgy:

first part http://pastebin.ca/632077

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leprechau:

fryfrog, ...there i got your name right...but anyways like dagmar said...i just get this faint blue box around the left side and top of any content played

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fryfrog:

ah

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: There's probably hits in the wiki for "blue line"

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Dagmar:

At least one http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidiaProprietaryDriver

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ubuntuEdgy:

second part http://pastebin.ca/index.php

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure it was also a FAQ item

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ubuntuEdgy:

third http://pastebin.ca/632079

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leprechau:

Dagmar, so should i use 0 or the number on that wiki page?

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ubuntuEdgy:

fifth http://pastebin.ca/632080

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol :)

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Dagmar:

leprechau: Due to the screwball way that utility works, either number (and a few others besides) will do. 0 is just simplest

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leprechau:

gotcha

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leprechau:

thanks

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Beirdo:

OK, this is getting ridiculous... time to clean some crap off the fileserver

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Beirdo:

have nearly 1TB, and have 12G available for new LVMs

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fryfrog:

krikey!

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Beirdo:

so first step... archive the old downloads

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Beirdo:

that should get me like 100G or so :)

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fryfrog:

time to delete *all that pr0n*

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

hmmm /opt/torrent is 50G, I don't use that anymore.... archive and delete time

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ubuntuEdgy:

fryfrog: given up ?

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Beirdo:

90% of that at least is etree.org stuff

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Beirdo:

heh, and some stuff I shoved there when /opt/mp3 filled up once

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Beirdo:

jeez, I should clean up filesystems more often

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Beirdo:

trying to setup a second opensolaris domU on that machine, but don't have the disk space

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Beirdo:

just insane

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fryfrog:

time to order some new 320G drives

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Beirdo:

heh

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fryfrog:

is your LVM running on top of a raid array?

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Beirdo:

yes

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fryfrog:

what kernel version you running? one that supports raid5's grow?

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Beirdo:

4*300G SATA in HW RAID-5

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Beirdo:

wouldn't help :)

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fryfrog:

why not?

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

HW

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Dagmar:

goatse on CNN. LOL

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Beirdo:

I'd rather just delete crap anyways

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fryfrog:

what sort of HW raid?

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's an Adaptec 2410SA (IIRC)

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Beirdo:

not quite as sweet as a 3ware card, but half the price

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fryfrog:

nice

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fryfrog:

was it free or did you actually buy it?

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Beirdo:

oh, I bought it

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Beirdo:

heh

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

what sort of speeds do you see to it?

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Beirdo:

about 2 years ago now.

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

sata or pata is it?

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Beirdo:

sata

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Beirdo:

with 4 nice Seagates on there :)

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fryfrog:

nice

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Beirdo:

nice and quiet

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fryfrog:

wish i'd gone with seagates :)

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fryfrog:

but i've been very happy with kernel software raid

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Beirdo:

heh, trust me, hardware raid would impress you even more :)

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fryfrog:

some day i'd like to compare a good sata raid card with kernel software raid

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fryfrog:

the cpu usage is negligable, so it'd be down to speed imho

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fryfrog:

that and speed *while* degraded

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fryfrog:

i think i was seeing 20–30% cpu usage when i had 1 drive failed in my array

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fryfrog:

vs 2–4% normally

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Beirdo:

yikes

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fryfrog:

and i'm sure the read/write speed dropped a ton too, but didn't test it

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one explain this for me please http://pastebin.ca/632117

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ubuntuEdgy:

was i lucky ?

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fryfrog:

sure: pastebin is a service that allows you to display text and share it with other users

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kormoc:

fryfrog, cpu also is a consideration, as for example, the core2's are really slow with the style calculations that software raid uses, so they'll require more cpu to use software raid

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol

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fryfrog:

kormoc: yeah, but the core2's *are* faster in general, no?

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kormoc:

fryfrog, they are, but they're still slower then equivalent p4's were. Just saying when you speed test software raid, it's dependant on the cpu(s) you pick :P

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ubuntuEdgy:

going out see you guys later.

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fryfrog:

ah, yeah for sure

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kormoc:

fryfrog, http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32818

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fryfrog:

and mine aren't even that good, just some old 2.4ghz Xeons

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fryfrog:

i see that is about the onboard raid, though they are similar i wonder if it is also the case

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fryfrog:

for kernel raid, that is

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Beirdo:

most onboard raid is "software assisted" at best

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fryfrog:

actually, most onboard raid *is* software raid

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Beirdo:

yeah

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fryfrog:

but it *could* be doing something different from the kernel

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fryfrog:

so maybe "onboard" crap raid uses a lot of cpu... but linux kernel raid doesn't

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fryfrog:

course, i ain't got any of that gear so i dunno :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I think a couple of my motherboards do, but I don't use it

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fryfrog:

i don't have any core2 cpus

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Beirdo:

me neither

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fryfrog:

even though they are the hotness, i'm not even sure i'll go with one when I "upgrade"

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Beirdo:

the only Intel I have is a P3 :)

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fryfrog:

hard to beat a amd 6000+ for like $200 or what ever

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Beirdo:

all the rest is AMD, and I think I'll stick with AMD for a while yet

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fryfrog:

bah, i have athose P4 Xeons :(

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fryfrog:

but they make a good server box, 2 2.4ghz xeons :)

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Beirdo:

yeah well, use what ya got :)

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fryfrog:

pre-dual core days

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Beirdo:

I should go play with my 8-way SPARC box

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Beirdo:

heh

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fryfrog:

young wipper snappers with their 2 or 4 cpus on one core...

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fryfrog:

that the E450 house warmer?

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Beirdo:

E4500, yeah

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Beirdo:

big monster :)

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fryfrog:

ah, 1000x better than a 450!

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Beirdo:

it has 8G RAM too

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fryfrog:

yonkers!

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Beirdo:

so I want to try playing with Solaris zones to learn it for work purposes

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fryfrog:

do you use it as an end table or a coffe table?

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Beirdo:

currently, it's a mobile desk for a Sun Ray 100 :)

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fryfrog:

ahhhh!

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Beirdo:

I have it on a rack dolly

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fryfrog:

how many watts does that thing consume?

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Beirdo:

ummm, I think it's 15A/120V

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Beirdo:

a buttload

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Beirdo:

which is the main reason it's off :)

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fryfrog:

does it require a special plug?

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fryfrog:

hahah

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Beirdo:

no, actually, standard plug

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fryfrog:

oh, nice

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Beirdo:

I wish it were 240V though

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Beirdo:

use an AC plug or a dryer plug :)

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Beirdo:

lower current on the power cable would be good

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fryfrog:

ah

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Beirdo:

but basically, I have to put it on a nearly empty circuit

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fryfrog:

is it redundant?

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Beirdo:

so as our washing machine's putzed, I plug it in there

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fryfrog:

psu that is

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Beirdo:

don't think so

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zntneo:

i'm getting angry at my mythtv box

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Beirdo:

I don't recall off-hand

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fryfrog:

man tell me about it, mine records so many shows i probably will never see them all!

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zntneo:

well at least your listings are correct

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fryfrog:

true!

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fryfrog:

till datadirect goes titsup

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zntneo:

mine went from being correct to being incorrect again

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juski:

is titsup like catsup?

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Beirdo:

heh, it's being worked on though, fryfrog

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Beirdo:

argh!

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Beirdo:

/opt/archive only has 640MB free?!

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zntneo:

has anyone had the problem of listings messing up?

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zntneo:

like the listings are a couple channels off?

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fryfrog:

all your space issues? easily solved...

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fryfrog:

raid5, mounted in one dir :)

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juski:

zntneo: you did & you fixed it. then it screwed up again. I suspect something is wrong with your lineup

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Beirdo:

ewwww

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fryfrog:

I <3 my /data which has no LVM!

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juski:

maybe it's only fine til mythfilldatabase runs ;)

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fryfrog:

LVM ftl?

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Beirdo:

or I could just delete the 400G of mythtv recordings :)

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zntneo:

that could be juski

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fryfrog:

using the myth interface of course!

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zntneo:

i'm unsure whats wrong with my lineup if thats correct

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juski:

zntneo: there's a file ending in .xmltv which should live in the home dir of the user you ran mythtv-setup as

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fryfrog:

so, what happens zntneo? start from the beginning of setting up your lineup/binding to a card

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Beirdo:

fryfrog, LVM is wonderful if used correctly (and on top of RAID-5) :) I blame my space problems on me being a packrat

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fryfrog:

yeah, but it sounds like you have seperate partitions for everything? i can see how it can be *useful* (ie, one doesn't fuck over another) but talk about a pain in the butt :P

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zntneo:

well when i first installed mythtv the listings were incorrect

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fryfrog:

yours *came* with listings/

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fryfrog:

?

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zntneo:

oh no i had to set it up

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fryfrog:

who are you using?

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Beirdo:

I WANT separate partitions for everything :)

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juski:

zntneo: explain what you did to fix it, and what's happenned since which might have broken it

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fryfrog:

datadirect or xml?

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fryfrog:

I smell a hardcore unix admin :p

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Beirdo:

aye, of course

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zntneo:

i removed all the channels and got the channels form the listning source

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juski:

separate partitions make it easier to manage disk usage

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zntneo:

datadirect fry

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Beirdo:

after all, I'm trying to make space to run another opensolaris xen domU :)

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juski:

zntneo: look in that .xmltv file. see if all the entries in there agree with what you think your lineup should be

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juski:

cos when mythfilldatabase runs, any channels present in that .xmltv file which aren't in your mythtv setup will be added – that *could* be what is causing your problem

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zntneo:

uh my .xmltv seems to be empty :O

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juski:

that being said, maybe the zap2it grabber doesn't pay heed to that .xmltv file, I don't know for sure

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juski:

you haven't mistakenly got yourself 2 zap2it accounts & you're using the wrong one or something...

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zntneo:

nope, i created a new one for this box

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zntneo:

there is one thing i have noticed

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zntneo:

when i do things in the backend setup

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zntneo:

and go to leave

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zntneo:

it says tuner 1 adn 2 are set to channel 2 which doesn't exist

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zntneo:

it does in channel editor though

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fryfrog:

I would start by doing the "delete all" on your cards (inputs) and also on your lineup. Then, I'd go into zap2it and double check that you line up is correct.

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juski:

maybe you ran mythtv-setup as the wrong user initially, then somehow ran mythfilldatabase as the right user when you got your channel lineup right

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fryfrog:

Then, I would re-add it all and run a mythfilldatabase

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juski:

best start again as fryfrog suggests

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zntneo:

i did that to fix it temp. fry

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fryfrog:

then check mythweb's listings to make sure they are accurate

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fryfrog:

if they are, re-run mythfilldatabase again and see if it changes

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juski:

make sure you do all this as the same user mythbackend runs as

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juski:

sometimes the user is 'mythtv', on some distros it's 'root' though

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juski:

because that'll be the user mythfilldatabase runs as too – it's vital that you run mythtv-setup as that user when you grab the channels list

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juski:

a lot of howto docs would do well to explain that. might save reams of confuzzlement

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juski:

it took me a *long* time to figure out wtf was going wrong when I first set out to get tv guide data

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zntneo:

hmm that could be the problem

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juski:

and distros that go their own way should all be shot

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juski:

this is where those all in one distros have the edge.. they take mistakes like that out of the user's hands ;)

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zntneo:

all in one like mythdora?

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juski:

btw anybody here ever used a local metal fab place to get a pc case made?

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juski:

zntneo: like mythdora yes

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juski:

not that I'd recommend it, not having had experience of it

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zntneo:

holy shit i just did what you said and boom it's fixed

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zntneo:

sorry for the curse word

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juski:

what did you do?

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zntneo:

changed the user the backend was running as

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juski:

you ran mythfilldatabase as the same user mythbackend runs as?

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juski:

look in the home dir of that user, inside .mythtv

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juski:

if there's a populated .xmltv file in there, you've got your answer

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zntneo:

that fil does not exist

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zntneo:

within this users home directory

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juski:

well, maybe if you use zap2it it's not needed

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juski:

it's prolly only for xmltv grabbers ;)

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juski:

as for why in the world running mythbackend as a different user fixes it.. that's anybody's guess

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zntneo:

wow i can't believe that fixed it

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juski:

there's no sane reason for that

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zntneo:

i mean i was looking at mythweb changed teh backend user reloaded and it was fixed

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juski:

so tell us which user you changed mythbackend to run as...

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juski:

and from what...

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zntneo:

root

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zntneo:

mythtv

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juski:

still doesn't make sense

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juski:

and there's def. no .xmltv file in /root/.mythtv/

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juski:

but there is in /home/mythtv/.mythtv ?

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zntneo:

actuall the .xmltv file is in /home/mythtv/

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juski:

it'd have to be in .mythtv to make any difference AFAIK

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juski:

does the .xmltv have the name of your video source?

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juski:

e.g. antenna.xmltv ?

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zntneo:

.xmltv is totally empty

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juski:

what's the filename though?

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juski:

or is it just .xmltv ?

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zntneo:

just .xmltv

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zntneo:

its 0 bytes

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zntneo:

i wonde rif i switched it back over to mythtv and reran mythfilldatabase it woudl work

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juski:

so now you've got somewhere. still need to know why that fixes it. that's too weird

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zntneo:

i tnotice more things in /home/mythtv/.mythtv then roots home/.mythtv

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juski:

such as?

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zntneo:

a bunch of .xml files

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zntneo:

myth flix /news/phone/stream

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zntneo:

theme cach/ osdcache

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juski:

what is in the xml files?

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zntneo:

musicmenu.xml, dvdmenu.xml/dvdmenu.xml

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juski:

customised menus

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zntneo:

mainmenu.xml

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juski:

is this a pre-rolled distro like mythdora perchance?

[17:05:57]

zntneo:

yes

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zntneo:

i though ti said that before , must not have

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juski:

I'm not in here 24/7/60/60 ya know ;)

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bbrooks:

question: will my SVIDEO pickup my sound, or would i have to plug rca from reciever to my pvr 150?

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zntneo:

no i mean sense we've been talking

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juski:

bbrooks: svideo is only video. you need audio connections too

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bbrooks:

got it thanks

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juski:

composite is only video too, fyi

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juski:

zntneo: didn't see that. brain cogs whirring away

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zntneo:

oh no prob

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zntneo:

also, it seems i can't even run backend as mythtv

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juski:

zntneo: maybe take this up on the mythdora forums. it's a strange problem. everything should just work out of the box if you configure everything right. working when you run mythbackend as one user & not another is weird

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juski:

zntneo: how are you trying to run mythbackend as the mythtv user?

[17:09:22]

zntneo:

mythbackend

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zntneo:

wait i think i got it to work

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zntneo:

had to remove a lock file

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juski:

I'd also check your database isn't corrupted

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zntneo:

wtf it still is working

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zntneo:

after i swithce the user the backend is on

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zntneo:

trying mythfilldatabase on mythtv user

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zntneo:

hmm still working

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zntneo:

wth

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zntneo:

trying mythfill as root

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zntneo:

none of that messedit up again

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Hoey:

what is XvMC?

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fryfrog:

X video Motion Compensation

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fryfrog:

It accelerates MPEG2 playback, afaik. Less CPU usage, more GPU usage.

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fryfrog:

probably not worth it (imho) unless you have some wimpy underpowered cpu like a C7 or uh, what ever that system is called that uses the C3?

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zntneo:

anyone have any clue how i can break it again so i can repeat the problem?

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alieas:

juski: If I'm using revision 13888 with the multi threaded h264 diff patch, can I use a newer revision plugins?

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juski:

alieas: no

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fryfrog:

why not just apply the patch to a later revision of myth?

[17:20:55]

alieas:

is that possible ?

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janneg:

maybe

[17:21:29]

Hoey:

fryfrog: do you know much about hardware?

[17:21:40]

Hoey:

specifically, tv capture cards?

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zntneo:

i give up

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fryfrog:

I know some about the cards I've used, but not others.

[17:22:06]

Hoey:

any hauppage?

[17:22:22]

juski:

for analogue, there are only 2 cards worth considering

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alieas:

I have another question. When I'm on my HD channels (QAM), is there anyway I can scroll via OSD all my channels, not just the HD ones?

[17:23:19]

alieas:

I have to go to the guide to see whats on SD channels. I know mythtv isn't built around being a LiveTV viewer, but this would be nice

[17:24:45]

fryfrog:

I have a PVR250 and PVR500, have used up to 4x PVR250s in the past. But I don't use them anymore

[17:25:04]

fryfrog:

alieas: I think if you goto the *guide* it shows all of them?

[17:25:17]

alieas:

fryfrog: yeah I have to go to the guide

[17:25:19]

fryfrog:

but when you are on one, the quick changing thing only shows channels on the current tuner

[17:25:26]

alieas:

correct

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Hoey:

fry: hmm, i'm considering getting a pvr 350, but then i saw somewhere to not get it for the hardware decoding cuz it won't let you fast forward?

[17:26:16]

fryfrog:

A few years ago, the PVR350 was neat. Now, it is a waste

[17:26:32]

fryfrog:

Get a PVR500 or PVR150 and a $20–30 nvidia card.

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AndyCap:

before cpu's could decode mpeg with impunity

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fryfrog:

well, even then the CPUs were fine for mpeg2 decoding

[17:26:59]

fryfrog:

the pvr350 just had good myth support and very nice tv out

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Hoey:

the machine im planning to make for my mythtv box is a p4 2.8ghz and 1gb ram, old spare parts

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AndyCap:

VGA is a nice tv out. :-P

[17:27:21]

fryfrog:

now... nobody uses them anymore, so it is a pain in the ass to get working (compared with the ease of using nvidia products in linux)

[17:27:40]

fryfrog:

Hoey: sounds perfectly fine for SD and *probably* okay for HD playback

[17:27:51]

fryfrog:

what video card?

[17:27:51]

Hoey:

no HD here

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Hoey:

ati radeon 9700 pro

[17:28:01]

fryfrog:

I prefer my DVI -> HDMI output

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zntneo:

is there a vga to rca adapter?

[17:28:12]

fryfrog:

trade it for an nvidia based card with someone :)

[17:28:16]

Hoey:

why?

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: well, assuming you have HDMI/DVI in sure

[17:28:26]

fryfrog:

ati + linux == harder than nvidia

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Hoey:

hm

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AndyCap:

Hoey: because ati drivers suck. :)

[17:28:52]

fryfrog:

a trade for a 5200 or 5700ish would be a good trade, i think?

[17:29:10]

fryfrog:

or just get a $20 6200ish card when you buy the PVR150

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Hoey:

in my initial research, i liked that when compared with 250, the 350 had hardware decoding, i thought hey it must be good to have hardware decoding, is that wrong thinking?

[17:29:36]

AndyCap:

depends. from what I hear the 6xxx had improvements in tv out if you're going to use that

[17:29:37]

fryfrog:

yes

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fryfrog:

i mean, its good but...

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fryfrog:

there are so many problems

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fryfrog:

1) it *only* hardware decodes MPEG2, so you can't watch your divx/xvid/mpeg4 on it

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Hoey:

since the box will be 2.8 ghz (or was it 2.4? i don't recall) is it unnecessary to have hardware decoding?

[17:30:17]

fryfrog:

2) it is hard to setup to use X (framebuffer, xdriver, blah blah)

[17:30:23]

fryfrog:

correct

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: how is dvd support on it

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fryfrog:

hardware mpeg2 would be useful on say... a P2 300

[17:30:46]

fryfrog:

sure, dvd is mpeg2 so it should be fine

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Hoey:

i see, so hardware decoding is more for low end cpus then?

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fryfrog:

yeah

[17:31:03]

Hoey:

thanks for info

[17:31:09]

fryfrog:

especially now, when you have like 2.4ghz cpus :)

[17:31:17]

fryfrog:

hardware mpeg2 *encoding* is what you want

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fryfrog:

that is a big cpu saver

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fryfrog:

PVR150/250/350/500 all did that of course

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Hoey:

another reason i was considering the 350 was because i saw on the back that it had TWO coax

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fryfrog:

FM radio in and Cable/Ant in

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Hoey:

i want to be able to record 2 shows at same time WHILE watching say a 3rd channel

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fryfrog:

don't be fooled :)

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AndyCap:

so do the other cards.

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fryfrog:

if you want 2 inputs, get a PVR500

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AndyCap:

he wants 3

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fryfrog:

Hoey: you'd need *three* cards to do that

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Hoey:

a splitter won't help?

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fryfrog:

but a PVR500 would get you *recording* two shows while watching a 3rd you already recorded.

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AndyCap:

Hoey: and how's that going to help your pc?

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Hoey:

dont know, i'm noob :)

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Hoey:

signal splitting or something

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fryfrog:

a "tuner" and mpeg2 encoder are paired, doing one thing at once

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AndyCap:

doesn't absolve you from logical thinking

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SiD3WiNDR:

:)

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fryfrog:

so if you have 2 tuners, you get 2 things recording at once

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fryfrog:

3... etc

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Hoey:

so the pvr has 2 coax inputs?

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fryfrog:

If you hook up one cable to your VCR, can you magically record 2 things by hooking up 2?

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Hoey:

correction pvr500?

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fryfrog:

PVR500 has 2 mpeg2 encoders and 2 tuners

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Hoey:

hmm... a good analogy... i understand now :)

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fryfrog:

it only has *one* coax input, for tv, because it splits the signal internally

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Dibblah:

and an embedded 'splitter'.

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AndyCap:

and one coax input. :) the other radio input

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Dibblah:

;)

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Hoey:

and the 150 has 1 tune/1 hardware mpeg encoder?

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AndyCap:

yes

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fryfrog:

Are 2x PVR150s still *cheaper* than 1x PVR500?

[17:35:45]

fryfrog:

PVR150/250/350 are all 1 mpeg2 encoder/tuner

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AndyCap:

not here at least

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fryfrog:

PVR500 is *really* just 2x PVR150 on a single PCI card

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fryfrog:

and don't be fooled, the PVR250 is *older* and in thoery not as good as the PVR150

[17:36:28]

fryfrog:

and the PVR350 is just a PVR250 with the addition of TV out

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Dibblah:

Could be more confusing. The Nova-T500.

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Hoey:

tv out meaning using TV in-lieu of monitor for output?

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fryfrog:

whats that?

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fryfrog:

meaning it has hardware mpeg2 *decoding* (tv out)

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Dibblah:

Which is: A USB2 hub, 2 USB DVB-t sticks and an internal splitter.

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fryfrog:

it physically has an svideo plug on it you'd hook to yoru TV (just like an nvidia card does)

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Dibblah:

All on one PCB. No connectors, etc, for the USB bus.

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fryfrog:

Dibblah: on a PCI card?

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Hoey:

hmm i think i see

[17:37:48]

Dibblah:

The words "nasty hack" spring to mind.

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metalac:

hey guys. MythTV has EXTREMELY low sound output, is there anything I can do to raise it? If i play something trough mplayer or such it works OK, but LiveTV is just way too low

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fryfrog:

the PVR350's tv out is basically just a really hard to use video card

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juski:

metalac: try pressing ]

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fryfrog:

metalac: are you using an mpeg2 card or a bitbanger?

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Beirdo:

Free PE / Size 3339 / 52.17 GB

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Beirdo:

ahhh, better

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fryfrog:

Dibblah: does it *work* in linux?

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metalac:

fryfrog: what are those?

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metalac:

juski: oh it's all the way up

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Dibblah:

it had serious disconnection issues. But those *may* be fixed now.

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fryfrog:

PVR150 (mpeg2) bttv (bitbanger)

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juski:

metalac: you can also try changing the recording volume in the recording profiles which live in utils/setup > setup > tv settings > recording profiles

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AndyCap:

bitbanger, bah. it's at least a bytebanger if not a wordbanger.

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fryfrog:

what kind of card do you have?

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juski:

fryfrog: just say *lamegrabber*, don't sugar-coat it ;)

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metalac:

fryfrog: pulling of firewire, from motorla box

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fryfrog:

i think in the kernel it says "bitbanger interface" or something

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fryfrog:

ah, firewire

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AndyCap:

iirc. that's for the i2c interface.

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fryfrog:

and you have the volume set reasonably in mythtv's settings?

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AndyCap:

which is serial.

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fryfrog:

AndyCap: ahhhhh!

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juski:

metalac: then the volume you get is the volume you get. nothing you can do about it other than: get JACK working & pipe audio through a compressor/limiter/maximiser plugin

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fryfrog:

there is a spot where you setup the audio portion, you can turn up the volume here and set what the volume slider controls

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fryfrog:

if you use alsa, the entry should be "ALSA" for the sound device and "ALSA:default" for the mixer

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metalac:

juski: is there a wiki about that?

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metalac:

fryfrog: yeah i checked that as well and everything is 100

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AndyCap:

play a recording file with mplayer or something?

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fryfrog:

metalac: that is odd :/

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fryfrog:

I use firewire from a pair of DCT-6412 and while I notice volume differences (between channels and shows) none of them are very extreme

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metalac:

fryfrog: telling me i upgraded the box with a new mobo/cpu and am using new onboard card

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juski:

metalac: there's no wiki, and alsa is enough of a bee-atsh without bringing JACK into the equation too

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Hoey:

ok thanks all for the tips, you saved me money i'm sure :)

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Hoey:

i may be back later sometime

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Hoey:

thanks fryfrog especially

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juski:

just remember to stay away from the pvr350 and non-pvr cards for analogue tv :)

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Hoey:

yep i've already decided it will be a hauppage card for sure, just a matter of which

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juski:

and if you're in the UK, don't even bother with analogue unless you're only planning to grab video & audio from a cable/satellite box

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Hoey:

in USA

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Hoey:

thanks again, bye

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metalac:

juski: hey what would be a good adition to my current setup? i have a pvr150, but the quality is not nearly as good as the firewire box, what would you recommend I replace it with? a pchdtv?

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juski:

depends if you can live with only OTA HDTV channels or you're lucky enough to get cable channels unencrippled

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mcquaid:

unencrippled.. heh

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metalac:

juski: well i have comcast digital cable, and i think most are unencripted

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mcquaid:

i have to stick to analog myself

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fryfrog:

metalac: they are mostly encrypted, actually

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fryfrog:

you'd likely get the FTA HD channels and a bunch of the *crap* digital channels

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fryfrog:

(like QVC, etc)

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mcquaid:

aren't there tv cards that have the tuner on a chip and not as susceptible to interference

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: but it's in digital. how can it be crap?

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fryfrog:

true, sorry

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mcquaid:

vs cards like the 150 that have the shielded tuner box

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AndyCap:

HD TV shopping must be the end of civilization

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fryfrog:

"high quality channels like "QVC" and "HSN" " :)

[17:49:24]

fryfrog:

oh, make no mistake... it isn't HD :)

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fryfrog:

they cram like 16 of these SD channels in digital onto one "channel" :)

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juski:

mcquaid: silicon tuners are generally less sensitive than olde worlde tuners

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: well, I guess civilization has a little while left.

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juski:

metalac: anyway of course SDTV is gonna *suck* big style compared to HDTV ;)

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mcquaid:

juski, from what I gather, but how much difference does it make in the end regarding picture quality

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mcquaid:

never saw a good review comparing

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mcquaid:

surprised hauppauge hasn't updated one of it's cards with that.

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juski:

mcquaid: depends on the tuners involved. a cheap tuner is generally rubbish no matter what the topology

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mcquaid:

true

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metalac:

juski: of course, so there is no way to deal with encrypted channels besides getting the motorla box? anyway to get multiple firewire ports enabled on motorla's box?

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juski:

the analogue tuner stage of a TV or VCR is usually vastly superior to something in *any* pc tuner card

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juski:

metalac: I've seen talk of a dual port firewire box which has 2 tuners but can't say anything specific

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mcquaid:

but people always recommend the haupp 150–350 because of the hardware encoding, but I've seen a few friends who have them and the picture isn't the greatest

[17:52:16]

mcquaid:

yes, my old clunk of a vcr gets a way better picture

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juski:

mcquaid: that can be down to their setups. not enough signal, crappy cabling, grounding issues..

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fryfrog:

analog < digital

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juski:

ground loops can cause even the most crystal setup to fuzz up

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juski:

I get all my TV digitally, and make no mistake it *wees* all over analogue

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mcquaid:

yes of course analog < digital, but they're encrypted here, and ota isn't enough so for the rest it would be nice to get a better analog tuner

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juski:

the quality of the pvr150 tuner is about as good as you'll get in any PCI card

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juski:

of course anything better is likely a framegrabber, and you really don't wanna mess with those

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Beirdo:

expect notices when the netsplit puts the bot back on the network

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc

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** ServerSage tips his hat to the room. **

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** juski waves **

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jduggan_:

hai

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ServerSage:

I've about had it with Vista. :/

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cesman:

then stop using it

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ServerSage:

cesman: Oh, I think I am. My laptop is about to become a Gentoo only laptop.

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cesman:

:)

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Dibblah:

ServerSage: Resist the urge.

[18:10:15]

Dibblah:

Seriously.

[18:10:34]

ServerSage:

Dibblah: The urge to throw it out a 3 story window? :)

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Beirdo:

hold out for a 20 story window

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ServerSage:

Hehe.

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Dibblah:

No, the urge to Do Gentoo.

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ServerSage:

Dibblah: Why? I run Gentoo on my desktop, and dual boot on my laptop.

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Beirdo:

let's not go into that religious war again

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Dibblah:

Ubuntu is recommended for the purpose.

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Dibblah:

;)

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kormoc:

Dibblah, nothin' wrong with gentoo

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** kormoc sighs **

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Beirdo:

use what you're comfortable with

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Dibblah:

kormoc: Sure.

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ServerSage:

Dibblah: Wrong place for a distro war.

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Dibblah:

:)

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kormoc:

I'm gonna add an entry to the irc faq saying 'you will be kicked for distro bashing/wars/etc' and start doing so, I swear...

[18:12:44]

ServerSage:

Back on a more myth friendly topic, my mythbackend has been inserting some choppyness into my recordings, and dmesg says ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data. :(

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Beirdo:

hehe

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metalac:

hey anyone knows why does the image viewer pop up first when I start mythfrontend? i definitely didn't set it up to be that way, and i'm not sure if it's even possible to do that

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ServerSage:

Hehe.

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Beirdo:

all distros suck in some way, no need to go to war over it

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kormoc:

ServerSage, typically that's due to the backend being under too much load to record

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ServerSage:

kormoc: Hmmm. All it does is record TV... Lazy server.

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kormoc:

ServerSage, IO bound?

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ServerSage:

kormoc: Not sure, I'm never around when it's spilling bits out of the bucket of course.

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kormoc:

ServerSage, commflag?

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ServerSage:

kormoc: Though, with a RAID5 array, you'd think it could handle a commflag and a recording.

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ServerSage:

Nope, it's not a commflag problem.

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ServerSage:

From the looks of it, it has happened at times when nothing should be happening. No backups, no other cron jobs, no commflags, and it was the only recording running.

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kormoc:

ServerSage, I was wondering if perhaps commflagging + recording at the same time was causing the IO lock?

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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metalac:

so anyone knows why is it that first thing that pops-up when i start myth is the myth-image-viewer plugin?

[18:25:33]

metalac:

by myth-image-viewer i mean mythgallery :)

[18:25:59]

ServerSage:

metalac: I didn't even know that could happen. :/

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metalac:

no clue man i installed mythtvplugin package in ubuntu and it started happening

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kormoc:

check the setup for it?

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metalac:

kormoc: there is nothing relevant in there

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metalac:

can i just disable this plugin somehow? i don't need it, it comes with the package

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cesman:

metalac: remove it from the menu

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cesman:

if the plugin is a seperate package, remove the package

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metalac:

cesman: it's not a sepearate package all plugins come in one

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cesman:

metalac: remove it from the menu

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metalac:

will try

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alieas:

I'm going to take my mythtv box out on a date tonight, and make sweet love to it

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juski:

hey look if that's what it takes for you to get your jollies...

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juski:

you're a pervert! :-p

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alieas:

juski: I'm just in love

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juski:

I could say mythtv has made a big difference in my life, so much so that I spend heaploads of time helping out & even money promoting it – but I wouldn't wanna have intercourse with it

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S2:

you just need a different case

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Dibblah:

alieas: Don't worry. Once you get inside it, the novelty soon wears off.

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S2:

http://www.funmansion.com/html/fm-Sexy-Case-Mod.html

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Dibblah:

Code wise, I mean, of course ;)

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juski:

then you start looking around for other cool looking things to poke around the insides of

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juski:

the genetic imperative to reproduce, distribute & patch :-P

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Dibblah:

Yup. Looks longingly at the N770 again...

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juski:

does paulh of mytharchive infamy ever hang out on irc?

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Dibblah:

!seen paulh

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MythLogBot:

paulh has not been seen here

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Dibblah:

That'd be a no, I guess ;)

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Dibblah:

Some sites just... shouldn't exist. http://www.videojug.com/tag/erotic-dancing

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cesman:

Dibblah: get it!

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cesman:

the 770 that is...

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cesman:

I have an 800

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cesman:

and love it!

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Dibblah:

The 128Mb worries me.

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Dibblah:

As does the processor speed.

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cesman:

If I knew how good it was, I'd have gotten the 770 before hand

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Dibblah:

Wish they hadn't used that newfangled combined flash / RAM :(

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cesman:

then get a 800

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Dibblah:

The 770 is Â£80.

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Dibblah:

The 800 is Â£200+.

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Dibblah:

(or, at today's exchange rates, about $32,000)

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Hoxzer:

I'm looking for cheap remote control that has actual macro buttons any recommendations ?

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Dibblah:

N770.

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Dibblah:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

cesman: A coworker got the 800 the other day. He;s is totally in love with it

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immolo:

Hoxzer- a psp with vnc :D

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mikeones:

hello

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Hoxzer:

aargh, it is really hard to find proper remote controls here in finland I guess I have to go with Logitech 525 ...

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cesman:

Hoxzer: like Dibblah said, get an 770

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cesman:

you can use it and the web remote

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cesman:

works great!

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Dibblah:

I didn't actually mean that seriously.

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Dibblah:

I don't have one yet – So can't recommend it.

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** cesman can **

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cesman:

add a bluetooteh GPS unit and you have a GPS unit

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cesman:

transcode you shows and you have Myth2Go

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cyrexion:

does any logitech remote support bluetooth yet?

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Hoxzer:

cesman: .... I bet I can't get one under 100 bucks...

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nitrocks:

is there a tv tuner card on the market that will allow myth tv to control digital channels?.. i currently have service through comcast, but i am willing to change providers

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cyrexion:

OTA + HD5500 == :) :)

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cesman:

Hoxzer: I suppose if you wait...

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cesman:

the 770 is down to about 140

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Hoxzer:

:P

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djbeenie:

hey guys, what do I need to emerge on gentoo for the pvr-150?

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djbeenie:

sorry for the remote

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cesman:

lirc

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alieas:

QAM + HD5500 == :)

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juski:

Ahhhhh! in G.A.N.T. the 'manage recordings' icon is meant to be a TV & a HDD

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juski:

only taken me 2 years to figure that one out

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jedix:

hehe

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jedix:

us there a way to reverse the channel numbers in the OSD?

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jedix:

and schedule recordings

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jedix:

s/us/is

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jedix:

all good suggestions..

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juski:

there isn't yet a reverse sort available. seen a ticket for that recently though IIRC

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jedix:

juski: ah, cool.

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juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3096

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jedix:

thanks

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juski:

that's a few times I've seen people say thanks today. what happened? ;)

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jedix:

oh man

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jedix:

a patch!

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jedix:

sweet

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juski:

heheh people from all over my past are looking me up on farcebewk

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TUplink_:

im trying to setup mythweather from SVN....... but every time i save the location then go back to it its not there

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juski:

anyone here know what affects the alpha of the programme guide grid?

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TUplink_:

this mythweather setup is a joke :P

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TUplink_:

any help....

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TUplink_:

maybe a location of a log

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TUplink_:

somthing

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phiwer:

anyone here using a 3200+ with mythtv playing hdmaterial?

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phiwer:

(or similar)

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GreyFoxx:

I use an xp2500+

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phiwer:

goodie goodie

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juski:

no ideas what controls the opacity of the guide grid then? I must say I'm disappointed :-P

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GreyFoxx:

phiwer: I use 90–95% of the CPU watching stuff. 1080i and 720p mpeg2

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phiwer:

GreyFoxx, what's your cpu usage (approx) when playing 720p (mkv)?

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phiwer:

GreyFoxx, ok tnx. You wouldn't happen to know (or have any figures) for where I approx should be?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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phiwer:

btw.. using mplayer -vo gl2

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phiwer:

ok tnx

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GreyFoxx:

Ther are way too many variables

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GreyFoxx:

I use the myth player

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GreyFoxx:

and am about 5% less cpu if I use mplayer

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TUplink_:

GreyFoxx you know anything about setting up mythweather?

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phiwer:

aha ok

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GreyFoxx:

TUplink_: I haven't even seen the "new" stuff

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phiwer:

tnx for the info greyfoxx

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juski:

only 5% less cpu in mplayer? wow. Myth uses about double, last time I looked

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TUplink_:

well its a JOKE..... i cant get it to add a screen... it searches for scripts i add one..... set location

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TUplink_:

exit

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GreyFoxx:

juski: For me the difference is about 5–7%

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juski:

really have to put downmy crayons & do some profiling at some point

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TUplink_:

and them come back to it and its all gone

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phiwer:

GreyFoxx, which videodriver do you use with mplayer in that case?

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GreyFoxx:

phiwer: straight XV output

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phiwer:

aha ok

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GreyFoxx:

nvidia video cards

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phiwer:

might explain it :)

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juski:

this alpha thing is bugging the life out of me now

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GreyFoxx:

juski: heh

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juski:

I don't want the guide grid to be translucent

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juski:

makes the category colours harder to see IMHO

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juski:

doesn't seem to be anything in qtlook.txt or in ui.xml

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phiwer:

talking about something completely different.. is there any way to set the speed of the dvd via mythtv? (I know about hdparm etc,.. but that's a bit buggy atm).

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juski:

nor does there seem to be a mask graphic

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GreyFoxx:

phiwer: Nope, nothing built in

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

I'm trying to setup a client to a mythbackend, with no success

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jedix:

it keeps trying to connect to a local host

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jedix:

err

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jedix:

to localhost

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jedix:

not to the host I ask it to

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TUplink_:

mythtv-setup... cant you set the server

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jedix:

mythtv-setup isn't installed

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TUplink_:

um.... ok....

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TUplink_:

can you get in to frontend at all?

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

the frontend loads

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jedix:

screw it. I'll install the backend to get myth-setup

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TUplink_:

hehe... let me finish adding all of my music and ill see where the settings are i know i have seen them

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jedix:

okay

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jedix:

I've tried changing them

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jedix:

then I restart and it bitches it can't connect to the mysql server

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juski:

aha! gridfilltype = gContext->GetNumSetting("EPGFillType", UIGuideType::Alpha);

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GreyFoxx:

paste the exact error somewhere

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TUplink_:

oh.... thats an easy one

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TUplink_:

you dont have access to the SQL server from any address than othorhost

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jedix:

http://pastebot.nd.edu/3273

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TUplink_:

Jedox did you set a root password for SQL?

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jedix:

solidsnake is not what I entered..

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juski:

jees. that programme guide fill type setting should be in the appearance menu

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jedix:

TUplink_: root password? yes

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TUplink_:

ok.... for SQL :P give me a sec finding the commadn

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jedix:

to do what?

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GreyFoxx:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'solidsnake.local' identified by 'YOURMYTHPASSWORDHERE';

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jedix:

the problem is that mythfrontend is trying to connect locally still

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TUplink_:

Jedix can i PM you?

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GreyFoxx:

jedix: Does your mysql.txt refer to ther backends sql server ?

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jedix:

GreyFoxx: okay, i get it.

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TUplink_:

jedix: mysql -u root mythconverg

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TUplink_:

enter the root password

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juski:

jedix: you need to set mythbackend to run on the machine's real IP address too

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juski:

and restart mythbackend

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TUplink_:

Jedix: grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; flush privileges; all of this is on the backend

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jedix:

did that

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jedix:

still bitches

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jedix:

(I used my passwd and not mythtv)

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TUplink_:

well..... its conecting to mysql

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TUplink_:

just not authinicating

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GreyFoxx:

jedix: Same error?

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jedix:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

And you issued the commands on the same mysql that the backend isusing?

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TUplink_:

jedix: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql

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GreyFoxx:

And does your mysql.txt file on the new frontend point to that database machine ?

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jedix:

GreyFoxx: in my users ~/.mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

on the database make sure you do

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GreyFoxx:

flush privileges;

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jedix:

I did.

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GreyFoxx:

to make it reread the priv tables

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jedix:

how?

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TUplink_:

or simpley restart mysql

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phiwer:

haha

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phiwer:

:)

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jedix:

I restarted mysql

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GreyFoxx:

flush privileges; as the root sql user makes mysql reread them

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jedix:

stll the same thing

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jedix:

I did that as root anyways

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jedix:

anything else?

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TUplink_:

you did wnat as root

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jedix:

how can I test the mysql connection withouyt myth?

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GreyFoxx:

jedix: from the new box

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jedix:

flush privileges;

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TUplink_:

"mysql -u root -p mythconverg"

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GreyFoxx:

mysql -h IPofdatabase -umythtv -pyourmythtvsqlpassword

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GreyFoxx:

And I hope you are not confusing the mysql user password with your system users password

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jedix:

that worked.

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TUplink_:

GreyFox i dont think he would be able to flush privs

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jedix:

it's not a mysql thing then..

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TUplink_:

Jedix is you sql server public?

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TUplink_:

exe behind a firewall

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TUplink_:

n/m

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jedix:

it is behind my firewall..

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juski:

ahh! this is why my EPG looks all fuzzy on my TV downstairs! the EPG shading method! FINALLY

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TUplink_:

Jedix on the backend is where you did the "mysql -uroot -p mythconverg' rite

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jedix:

correct.

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TUplink_:

ok.....

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jedix:

the -h one runs from this machine (the new front end)

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TUplink_:

and yotested the conection from the remote box yo want to be a frontend

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juski:

what I can't figure out is why a solid fill allegedly uses more cpu than an alpha blend. doesn't make sense

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juski:

and anyway a few filled rectangles isn't gonna burn that much cpu in this day & age

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jedix:

TUplink_: with that -h command..

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TUplink_:

es

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TUplink_:

es

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TUplink_:

yes sorry keybord is acting funny

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jedix:

np

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TUplink_:

error still the same?

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jedix:

so it's a mythtv problem.

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jedix:

yes

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TUplink_:

ok... i have an idea

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TUplink_:

on the frontend "ping solidsnake.local"

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TUplink_:

just make sure it resolvs rite

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juski:

wow. there's some new settings I never knew existed. amazing!

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TUplink_:

solidsnake.local is the backend i asume

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jedix:

PING solidsnake.local (169.254.9.100) 56(84) bytes of data.

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jedix:

not cool.

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jedix:

no, that's not the backend.

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jedix:

that's the frontend

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TUplink_:

oik....

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jedix:

I'm using real ips for the setup

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jedix:

well, ips

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TUplink_:

edit /etc/hosts and add <ipaddressof backend> solidsnake.local

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jedix:

192.168.1.6

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jedix:

but it's not solidsnake.local..

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TUplink_:

no brackets

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jedix:

that's the frontend.

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TUplink_:

ok....

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TUplink_:

hum....

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TUplink_:

did you use 192.168.1.6 as the ip in the frontend?

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jedix:

yes

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jedix:

DBHostName=192.168.1.6

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TUplink_:

ok..... paste the error now... but paste a little more....

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TUplink_:

like more than QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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turbo is now known as briand

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TUplink_:

cause for some reason its not OPEN

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jedix:

oh

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jedix:

I got it!

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jedix:

sigh

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TUplink_:

what was it....

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TUplink_:

typo in the ip

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jedix:

I don';t wnat to tell you

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jedix:

no

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jedix:

that was cp/paste

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TUplink_:

um....

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jedix:

typo in passwd

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TUplink_:

hehe

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TUplink_:

ok... now that you have it up :P

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jedix:

2007-07–24 19:11:15.608 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543

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jedix:

sigh

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GreyFoxx:

run mythtv-setup on the backend, and change the backendip and master backendup to the external ip of the box

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GreyFoxx:

then restart mythbackend

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TUplink_:

is there a way to restart mythbackend when its not bussy?

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juski:

might have to make the alpha of the epg grid themable

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juski:

it's a bit of a bummer being limited to 50% or none, or a horrible dither

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jedix:

thanks guys

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jedix:

this works well

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

seems I should get gigE switches for streaming hd

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jedix:

it's okay after recorded

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jedix:

but before.. yeah

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juski:

nah

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juski:

HD is only like 18mbits/sec max

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juski:

100mbit ethernet should cope well unless you have a totally overloaded network

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

wonder what hte problem is then

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TUplink_:

Juski you on a switch or hub?

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jedix:

you mean me?

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jedix:

:)

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jedix:

there's two switches between them

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TUplink_:

oh yea...

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TUplink_:

hum....

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TUplink_:

switches should do fine

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TUplink_:

hubs are what you have to look for

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TUplink_:

hubs = OLD technology ....... makes for a big colision domain

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jedix:

yeah, I know

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jedix:

but it is choppy..

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TUplink_:

hum....

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TUplink_:

choppy like......

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TUplink_:

skips parts or pauses?

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jedix:

no sound

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jedix:

and video is lacking frame rate

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TUplink_:

hum....

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TUplink_:

i would say its not a bandwith prob cause its TCP

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TUplink_:

do this...

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TUplink_:

you have some sort of file sere instaled on mythbackend?

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jedix:

ssh..

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TUplink_:

no....

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TUplink_:

ftp Samba NFS

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jedix:

no

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TUplink_:

hum....

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TUplink_:

i was going to say record a live show but dont transcode it

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TUplink_:

then copy it over the network

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jedix:

so.. what's wrong with ssh?

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TUplink_:

if time to copy is grater than run time you have probs

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TUplink_:

ssh is encripted adds extra overhead

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

well, I scp'ed stuff at 6MB/s today to it

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jedix:

let me see how fast it goes with scp to this computer (should be > 6MB/s

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juski:

I get about 9MB/sec over nfs

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jedix:

11.1MB/s

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TUplink_:

18bits is waht in bites.. like 1.4 bites

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juski:

if you're running a firewall, maybe think about getting rid ;)

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TUplink_:

should be more than enough

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jedix:

the firewall is a different machine.

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TUplink_:

um......

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juski:

arghh suddenly the realisation dawns that I'm going to have to re-theme all mythmusic screens based on the new windows. bummer

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TUplink_:

maybe jumbo frames yould help

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TUplink_:

would*

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jedix:

jumbo frames on ethernet?

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jedix:

I'd rather not.

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jedix:

it's not like I have IB cards here.

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TUplink_:

hehe

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TUplink_:

um... but if it was im sure you would have seen somthing sugesting it on the inet

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jedix:

okay

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jedix:

if I disable AC3 passhtrough, it's okay

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TUplink_:

ok.. what is ac3?

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TUplink_:

its a codes

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TUplink_:

codec*

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jedix:

it works, but it's so choppy

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TUplink_:

hum....

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TUplink_:

are the specs of the frontend good enough?

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jedix:

lol

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

it should be.

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TUplink_:

im just pulling stuff out of my rear :P

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jedix:

E6600, dual core

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TUplink_:

ideas

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juski:

not ATI I hope?

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jedix:

nvidia 8600GTS

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juski:

nvidia drivers? not nv?

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jedix:

correct.

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jedix:

this is my desktop

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TUplink_:

so if you copy the live file to your frontend it plays

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juski:

try turning on useevents in xorg.conf (so I read somewhere)

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TUplink_:

honestly it sounds like a bandwith issue

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

it does.

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jedix:

watching bwm, it only gets to 800KB/s

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