Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, July 21st, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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achew22:

Has anyone had a nvidia gpu output everything with a blue tint?

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my2keh:

yup

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achew22:

how did you correct that?

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my2keh:

switched from 720p to 480p i think

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achew22:

anyone else had that problem?

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my2keh:

PFFTTT

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my2keh:

heh

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TUplink_:

what prob?

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achew22:

having a blue tint on the output on an nvidia gpu

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TUplink_:

just adjust the settings in the nvidia driver

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my2keh:

nadda

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my2keh:

that doesn't fix it

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TUplink_:

hum.....

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achew22:

there are no settings (to my knowlege) that say "don't output with a blue hue"

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TUplink_:

let me look at it hold on

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my2keh:

lol

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Staticwave_Ace:

achew22: gamma colour adjustments?

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TUplink_:

let me see if i can make mine blue

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TUplink_:

thats what i would think

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** Staticwave_Ace makes his blue **

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my2keh:

I'm telling ya, the only way I could fix it was to switch from 720p

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achew22:

my2keh, okay, did you chage it to 720p in the config file? did you plug it into a plug that was 480p?

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achew22:

I'd really like to have 1080i (which both the gpu and TV support) though

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my2keh:

achew22>> in the xorg.conf

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TUplink_:

cant you just adjust the color settings on the screen

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my2keh:

changed uhh I think it was TVStandard

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achew22:

TUplink_, you mean on the tv?

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TUplink_:

ok....

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TUplink_:

yea

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TUplink_:

screen TV x dont care what it is

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TUplink_:

its an output

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Dagmar:

That won't make an image blue. It'll only make it darker or lighter (skew gamma)

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** Staticwave_Ace points to nvidia-settings **

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TUplink_:

hum........

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Staticwave_Ace:

X Server Colour Correction

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Staticwave_Ace:

blue

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** Staticwave_Ace turns up the gamma for blue **

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Staticwave_Ace:

now my screen is blue

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achew22:

Staticwave_Ace, can you show me an example of that?

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Staticwave_Ace:

er, an image?

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achew22:

or does that not go into the xorg.config

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achew22:

conf*

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Staticwave_Ace:

it may

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Staticwave_Ace:

it may be applied through nvidia-settings loading stuff at startx

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Staticwave_Ace:

I'm not sure

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achew22:

hrm...

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Staticwave_Ace:

Gamma red-gamma green-gamma blue-gamma

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Staticwave_Ace:

in xorg.conf

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Staticwave_Ace:

under the monitor section

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Staticwave_Ace:

aparently

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Staticwave_Ace:

although I'm not sure thats the "same" setting

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achew22:

so, turn up red and green? or can I turn down blue?

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Staticwave_Ace:

default is 1 1 1

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Staticwave_Ace:

R G B

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Staticwave_Ace:

so, you can do either

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achew22:

I was expecting 127 default

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Staticwave_Ace:

its a floating point percentage thing

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achew22:

what is that?

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Staticwave_Ace:

like 0.5 and such

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Staticwave_Ace:

or 1.2

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my2keh:

damn cable

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my2keh:

didja get the blue shade fixed?

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warlord:

xris: FYI, my patched code seems to work now. The problem is that the TS streams all have two audio streams and one video stream. Myth is smart enough to use audio stream 0.1 (versus 0.2), whereas mencoder uses the first track it sees, regardless of whether it's an audio packet for 0.1 or 0.2. So, SOMETIMES it seems 0.2 first and grabs ahold of that.

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warlord:

I just changed my code to figure out the audio track IDs and then give -aid $aid to mencoder, and this seems to be working.

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achew22:

warlord, what plugin is this for? MythArchive?

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warlord:

It's actually a patch to mythweb to let me real-time transcode to mp4

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my2keh:

achew22>> didja get the tint fixed?

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achew22:

warlord, thats to say it sets up a mythtranscode job to do it

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warlord:

achew22: nope, "real-time".. It does the transcode on the fly... Which is fine, I'm network-bound most of the time when I use this feature.

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achew22:

warlord, so it streams mp4s to you?

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warlord:

* nods *

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achew22:

very nice — what bitrate?

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warlord:

Depends on whether the video is HD or SD. For SD it encodes to 480x360 @ 700kbps. For HD it encodes to 640x360 @ 1000kbps.

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achew22:

my2keh, I don't really want to play with it — it doesn't appear that that fixed it though

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my2keh:

darn

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achew22:

warlord, thats faster than any connection I could get in upload, where are you streaming it?

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warlord:

This works out to about 550MB/hr for HD, and 350MB/hr for SD.

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warlord:

Oh, I just pull it down to a file and play it later.

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warlord:

I've got a script that uses curl to contact my mythweb over my SSH connection to pull it down and save it to a file. I've got a directory full of videos on my laptop when I travel. Normally before I go to bed I set up my system to download all of the day's shows I want to watch.

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warlord:

Okay, later.

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jedix:

is there a way to change the overscan of the guide?

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jedix:

I guess with x

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d00gster:

guys I have Mythtv running on debian and have a mobo with a built in intel video card (82865G Integrated) I bought a vga-rca|svid adaptor hoping to spit the signal on rca to me tv. I installed xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg and configured my xorg with the interactive configurator. I was hoping that someone can tell me how to get the signal on rca.

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

once setting a size for the menu, after going to guide once, it locks up :/

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jedix:

umm

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jedix:

so..

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cyrexion:

does anyone know if KnoppMyth R5F1 is 64-bit ?

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jams:

it is not

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cyrexion:

thanks

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cyrexion:

second question: would anyone know how to enable sound (HD Audio) from the Asus A8N-VM CSM Mobo — it appears to be muted by default, and I can't un-mute it

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jedix:

alsamixer?

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cyrexion:

do I just run alsamixer and that's it?

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jedix:

run it

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jedix:

it's a volume thing

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cyrexion:

I tried, even added it to a startup script and had no luck getting the sound...

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cyrexion:

Going into "general settings", I see "/dev/dsp", "/dev/dsp1" — should I accept the defaults?

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jedix:

umm

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jedix:

I don't know

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Tanthrix:

cyrexion: Try setting it to alsa instead of OSS

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cyrexion:

hmm, ok.. I'll try that

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Tanthrix:

cyrexion: And if you're doing OSS, I think mixer should be /dev/mixer, not /dev/dsp1

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jedix:

hrm

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Tanthrix:

Anyway, for alsa you make the output device "ALSA:default" then I think just "default" for the mixer, no quotes

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cyrexion:

I only see three devices: dsp, dsp1, and adsp

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Tanthrix:

Forget what you see, enter the alsa ones anyway

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cyrexion:

:) I keep forgetting I can type in those boxes

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Tanthrix:

hehe, no prob

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

I find the blacks that I'm getting in xorg via the hdmi are not true black

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Tanthrix:

jedix: nvidia card?

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jedix:

Tanthrix: yeah

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Tanthrix:

jedix: Play with the contrast/gamma/brightness in nvidia-settings until you get it right

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cyrexion:

what about the passthrough output device?

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Tanthrix:

You can also use that to see if it's really the card's fault or the TV

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Tanthrix:

(By turning brightness all the way down to get true black from the card – and if you're still not happy with that, then it's the TV that has the problem)

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Tanthrix:

cyrexion: Are you doing passthrough?

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cyrexion:

probably not

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Tanthrix:

Passthrough is for digital outputs (optical or coax)

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Tanthrix:

If you're just doing analog out (headphone jack/rca) then don't worry about it

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cyrexion:

I see ALSA:iec958:{ AES0 0x02 } and 'Default' as options... just 'Default' then?

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Tanthrix:

Doesn't matter since you're not using it.

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Tanthrix:

But if you were, I'd suspect you'd want to choose the ALSA one it detected, which may or may not be the same as default.

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cyrexion:

understood... thanks for your help

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Tanthrix:

Only thank me if it actually works ;)

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cyrexion:

Then I'll wait... KnoppMyth apparently didn't like what I just did and now I can't get video .... ahh, I love it :)

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Tanthrix:

heh

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jedix:

Tanthrix: how do I make the changes perm?

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cyrexion:

do I get any kind of UI when I run alsamixer or 'aplay -l' ? I'm not seeing anything as a result

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jedix:

yes

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jedix:

alsamixer should bring up a screen

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jedix:

run it from a terminal

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jedix:

cyrexion: get it?

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cyrexion:

"get it == understand" <-- yes; "get it == display" <-- no

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cyrexion:

I'll keep trying, though

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jedix:

how are you running it?

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jedix:

alt+f2?

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jedix:

or in a terminal?

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cyrexion:

well, I exited mythtv and it dumped me into an "x" environment. I started an xterm shell and ran it from there

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cyrexion:

and have been waiting ever since.

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cyrexion:

but I'm going to restart and try again

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jedix:

shouldn't take long at all.

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cyrexion:

do I need to run this as root:?

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jedix:

no

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jedix:

do you have the alsa-utils installed?

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jedix:

is it normal to have audio/video jitter when anything related to the gui is on the screen during HD?

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cyrexion:

yes, alsa-utils is installed... strange, don't know why alsamixer is not showing up

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jedix:

no error messages?

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cyrexion:

I get lag when viewing HD content

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cyrexion:

nope, no error messages

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jedix:

my system is less than 50% :/

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jedix:

I think it has to be video driver related

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cyrexion:

are you using vesa / nvidia ?

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jedix:

nvidia

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cyrexion:

interesting

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jedix:

it's a 6600gt

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cyrexion:

pci-e ?

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jedix:

npo

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jedix:

agp

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cyrexion:

ok

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jedix:

why?

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jedix:

you?

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jedix:

wonder if pci-e would help

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cyrexion:

just curious... I'm using the embedded graphics on the Asus A8N-VM CSM

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jedix:

that's a decent a8n-vm

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jedix:

that' nvidia on-board

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cyrexion:

yeah... I like to get the most features out of one piece of hardware...

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jedix:

what's your tuner?

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cyrexion:

hdtv-pc5000

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cyrexion:

err, 5500

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jedix:

that's dual tuners, en?

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jedix:

can that be used for dvb-s?

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cyrexion:

hmm, not sure — http://www.pchdtv.com/hd_5500.html

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jedix:

thanks

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cyrexion:

I'm sorta new to this whole mythtv stuff...

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cyrexion:

alsaconf is more forgiving than alsamixer, but the driver can't be loaded for some reason

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cyrexion:

alright... I'm off to bed... thanks for the help jedix

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opello:

harmony 880 on woot for $80

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Tanthrix:

I think a remote is one of the last things I'd want an LCD screen on..

[05:42:33]

Speedy2:

I'm getting a lot of choppy playback with a lot of audio buffer messages. PC is plenty fast, audio is using ALSA. Any suggestions? Should I try OSS?

[05:43:18]

Tanthrix:

Definately. I was having problems with ALSA which OSS seemed to fix nicely

[05:43:29]

achew22:

any error messages?

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Speedy2:

Tanthrix: Did you use 4Front OSS or OSS compataibility in kernel?

[05:44:14]

Speedy2:

achew22: The machine actually hard locked, give me a few minutes and I'll report the specific error

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Tanthrix:

Speedy2: Dunno. Using whatever kernal came with Arch Linux.

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armbar:

anyone comment on this remote for mythtv? Will it integrate? http://www.woot.com/

[06:00:00]

achew22:

wow... how do you get woot.com

[06:00:45]

Dagmar:

armbar: MythTV doesn't do remotes. LIRC does.

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achew22:

I want one...

[06:04:28]

kusznir_:

achew22: from some quick googling, it appears it is. Google "logitech harmony lirc" (or substitute mythtv for lirc) and you'll get more details.

[06:09:20]

Dagmar:

Amazing how many people can't use a search engine on their own.

[06:09:54]

achew22:

Dagmar, it was a generic comment — I'm fully capible of looking but don't really care that much

[06:10:01]

achew22:

I never asked anyone to look for me

[06:10:10]

Dagmar:

Did I say I was talking about you?

[06:10:11]

achew22:

kusznir_, that said, thank you for the effort

[06:10:16]

achew22:

Dagmar, your timing did

[06:10:27]

Dagmar:

No, your paranoia did.

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Dagmar:

Damn palm... I got this freakish screwdriver just to open my T|X and now I'm definitely going to have to send the damn thing in for repair

[06:13:21]

Dagmar:

Apparently my actually *using* the alarm burn out the internal speaker driver

[06:13:26]

Dagmar:

s/burn/burnt/;

[06:13:50]

Dagmar:

Generally, when I spend $300 on a PDA, I expect it to not up and fail for at least nine months

[06:14:22]

achew22:

is that because you impregnate a new PDA every time a new one is born?

[06:14:48]

achew22:

alright — i give up myth... its bedtime

[06:14:49]

achew22:

night all

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Speedy2:

doh

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Speedy2:

The error I'm getting is "WriteAudio: buffer underrun"

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Tanthrix:

Speedy2: Try setting the aggressive audio buffering

[07:09:32]

Speedy2:

Tanthrix: I tried with and without, no change. Still using ALSA, I'll try to setup OSS>

[07:09:39]

xris:

nice logitech harmony remote on woot tonight.

[07:10:09]

Tanthrix:

That might have been the error I was getting with alsa, come to think of it.

[07:10:15]

robbins876:

I've got a 520 right now, it's a good remote

[07:11:51]

Speedy2:

Tanthrix: I played back a recording and I didn't get any errors when playing it, the errors I get are during live video

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Speedy2:

Tanthrix: Oddly, when playing back a recorded video it's non-linear, speeding up and slowing down. Could be due to my refreh rate; it's set I think at 75 or 80

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Tanthrix:

Weird

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Dagmar:

Video refresh rate isn't going to affect playback unless you went out of your way to enable vsync, and even then the odds are *miniscule*

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Speedy2:

Dagmar: So any thoughts on what could be causing my jacked up playback? XvMC and libmpeg2 both do the same thing. It's using RTC for sync. Playing back videos and files with xine or mplayer 0 issues.

[07:29:52]

Dagmar:

Speedy2: There's so many things that could break playback, it's not even worth the time to speculate

[07:30:03]

Dagmar:

Go download a KnoppMyth ISO and see if the problem happens with that.

[07:31:45]

Tanthrix:

I swear, there isn't a single time stretching library that can match what Myth uses

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alan|home:

hi all

[07:32:24]

alan|home:

i'm having an error, due to improperly erased file

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alan|home:

2007-07–21 09:30:47.563 AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /home/alan/MythTV//1504_20070512143000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

[07:32:38]

alan|home:

how can i get rid of this error ?

[07:33:16]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: Try making a file of that exact name in that directory, then try and delete it.

[07:33:26]

alan|home:

ok

[07:33:35]

alan|home:

let's try

[07:35:18]

alan|home:

thanks Tanthrix : it worked

[07:35:20]

Tanthrix:

And if you upgrade to SVN trunk, you can now delete files that were deleted improperly. (Best solution though is just not to do that in the first place)

[07:35:25]

Tanthrix:

No prob.

[07:36:11]

alan|home:

it took me su much time to configure mythtv... i don't think i'll update unless i really really need it :)

[07:36:24]

Speedy2:

Dagmar: Are newer nvidia drivers considered good or bad in mythland?

[07:37:46]

Dagmar:

THey are considered good.

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alan|home:

one other odd thing : mythtv UIs keep asking what language i want at each start... do you know why ?

[07:38:17]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: Hehe, understandable. Though, despite my fears in the past, I don't think I've ever had any problems introduced with a version upgrade. They do a damn good job of not breaking things for new releases.

[07:38:31]

Voker57:

very stupid question. Does MythTV work with TV tuners or it's about broadcasting? :)

[07:38:56]

Voker57:

i can't find out this looking on site and desc.s

[07:39:59]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: That shouldn't be doing that.

[07:40:14]

Voker57:

And i get that when compiling

[07:40:15]

Voker57:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

[07:40:15]

Voker57:

You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed to compile Myth.

[07:40:15]

Voker57:

exit: 2349: Illegal number: -1

[07:41:31]

Tanthrix:

Voker57: I'm generally pretty easy on people new to myth around here, but saying that you can't figure out what myth does when it's all over the place is a bit much. And your error is as it says: You need the lame mp3 libraries to compile myth

[07:41:42]

Voker57:

i have them

[07:41:47]

Voker57:

and developments too

[07:41:56]

Voker57:

that's what strange

[07:42:11]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: Start as "mythfrontend --verbose-all > file.txt" then pastebin that

[07:42:45]

Dagmar:

Voker57: What distro are you using?

[07:42:56]

Voker57:

Dagmar: kubuntu

[07:43:10]

Dagmar:

Lemme suggest you ditch that thing and go for KnoppMyth then

[07:43:31]

Voker57:

eh

[07:43:32]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: You'll yell at a guy for asking in the chan if a particular remote is supported with myth, but someone comes in asking if myth works with tuner cards and you don't bite? Your crankiness is quite unpredictable. ;)

[07:44:05]

Voker57:

i finally found out that it WORKS with tuners. The thing is kinda sophisticated :)

[07:44:21]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: I have a real simple guideline. If a *petunia* could Google it, then it doesn't need to be asked of live people.

[07:44:40]

Tanthrix:

What about a bowl of petunias?

[07:46:01]

Tanthrix:

Voker57: http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures

[07:47:01]

Voker57:

i see that mythtv is more like some desktop enviroment 0_o

[07:47:12]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: I have no problem with genuine stupidity. People tend to come by that honestly.

[07:47:34]

Tanthrix:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Selfishness (shifting the work of research onto other people) and sloth (being too lazy to even bother attempting a Google search) are the things that will piss me off in a heartbeat, because they are anathema to the continuation of the Internet, as well as destructive to the advancement of the human race.

[07:49:41]

just_joe:

i always thought it was intolerant people...

[07:49:50]

Dagmar:

I generally won't say anything about what I'd consider to be a stupid question if I punch the nouns into Google and don't see something leap out at me in the first five hits

[07:50:17]

Dagmar:

So when I'm chewing someone's ass for not searching, I've got the answers they were looking for on my screen already.

[07:51:05]

Dagmar:

It's bad for _them_ to not search. Search engine technology now is insane compared to what it was 10 years ago. Folks might as well try to live without aspirin or penicillin as to refuse to use it

[07:52:06]

Dagmar:

It's not far removed from changing a tire by chewing the bolts off instead of using the wheel spider from the trunk.

[07:52:19]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I still think it's misplaced anger. Hardly anyone who comes in here is actively being selfish. Most of them are confused, know nothing about myth, and are potentially already overwhelmed with all the info they've read. Some people just don't read tech manuals well, so they come in here with the hopes of asking a real person questions

[07:52:41]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Like I said, I generally don't say anything unless I've already got the answer on my screen.

[07:52:41]

just_joe:

what if they just don't get searching? i've noticed that my dad can'tpick good keywords to save his life. I suspect it is a cultural thing...

[07:53:01]

Dagmar:

just_joe: Does he know the difference between a noun and a verb?

[07:53:01]

alan|home:

Tanthrix: http://pastebin.ca/628418 and thanks for your help

[07:53:47]

alan|home:

"2007-07–21 09:50:20.803 MSqlQuery: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'Language' AND hostname IS NULL;"

[07:53:56]

just_joe:

dagmar: he has a phd in biochemistry and has more patents than i can count. he however doesn't "get" search engines

[07:54:08]

Dagmar:

just_joe: Just using nouns works, as does noun+verb, but most of the time you can get away with just typing a whole sentence into the search box, complete with question mark at the end

[07:54:32]

Dagmar:

just_joe: He's probably overthinking his queries then. Tell him to just start using whole sentences as if there were a person on the other end.

[07:54:37]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: Hrm. Not sure what to make of that.

[07:54:41]

Dagmar:

Most of the time you get the right keywords by side-effect

[07:54:58]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: So it asks for the language settings every time? How about other settings?

[07:55:02]

just_joe:

i've noticed he picks bad nouns. your solution of flaming him will ensure he figures it out though!

[07:55:13]

Dagmar:

just_joe: I don't flame.

[07:55:22]

alan|home:

Tanthrix: everything works fine... except the language setting...

[07:55:37]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: What I mean to say, is are your other settings being remembered?

[07:55:40]

Dagmar:

just_joe: If he can frame a sentence and talk to other humans, then he can type that same sentence into Google.

[07:56:02]

just_joe:

chewing != flame , an interesting way to highlight how different people perceive things.

[07:56:11]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: And I forgot to ask: is the backend and frontend on the same computer?

[07:56:14]

Dagmar:

Yes, if I tell someone they're being lazy, that's chewing.

[07:56:37]

Dagmar:

If I tell them they're being a whiny little bitch-newb who shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard without a grown-up present, *that*'s flaming.

[07:56:43]

Dagmar:

See the difference?

[07:57:24]

alan|home:

Tanthrix: frontend and backend are on the same computer, and settings are remembered

[07:57:39]

just_joe:

pendantics aside I have a mythtv problem.

[07:57:46]

Dagmar:

If people can't handle a rolled up newspaper form of discouragement from bad behaviour, they should move back in with mommy.

[07:58:05]

Dagmar:

We don't do jewelry here, so that's probably for the best.

[07:58:25]

just_joe:

maybe I can't find the right keywords to search for so dagmar perhaps can be of help here

[07:59:15]

Dagmar:

You definitely don't have a promising future in ditch construction, since you obviously don't know when to stop digging.

[07:59:35]

Dagmar:

...or would you like to continue to argue that you are mentally handicapped?

[07:59:43]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: What do you make of alan|home's problem? Asks for language setting everytime he starts his frontend, yet other settings are remembered. Pastebin of output above

[08:00:21]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Some idiotic thing relating to something "clever" someone wrote for KnoppMyth or Ubuntu or whatever project he got those binaries from

[08:00:36]

Dagmar:

That's not a default behaviour, nor is it something that could normally break.

[08:00:55]

Dagmar:

...because Myth (like almost every other app) doesn't directly give a damn what language you use.

[08:01:28]

Dagmar:

So *something* someone wrote specifically to set the language, assuming that both the user, and the distro maintainers were too dim to handle setting LC_ALL properly, has broken

[08:01:55]

Dagmar:

Simple solution: Find out where the binaries came from, report a bug

[08:02:30]

alan|home:

Dagmar: plf (for mandriva 2007)

[08:02:40]

Dagmar:

I'm guessing it's getting the lingua info from the user, and then not reading the proper credentials to actually store this info

[08:03:16]

alan|home:

Dagmar: if i understand correctly, the language setting is set in the mysql database, isn't it ?

[08:03:24]

Dagmar:

Let me repeat that

[08:03:36]

Dagmar:

Applications do not normally handle caring about the language

[08:03:55]

Dagmar:

There's a MASSIVE amount of code in glibc devoted *just* to dealing with different end-user languages.

[08:04:07]

alan|home:

ha. i understand

[08:04:11]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Then why is there a setting in the database for it?

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Dagmar:

All those *.mo files under /usr/share? They're direct translations of most strings a program would output

[08:04:41]

Tanthrix:

#

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Tanthrix:

2007-07–21 09:50:36.742 Clearing Settings Cache for 'Language'.

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Tanthrix:

#

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Tanthrix:

2007-07–21 09:50:36.778 MSqlQuery: DELETE FROM settings WHERE value = 'Language' AND hostname = 'localhost' ;

[08:04:41]

Tanthrix:

#

[08:04:43]

Tanthrix:

2007-07–21 09:50:36.782 MSqlQuery: INSERT INTO settings ( value, data, hostname ) VALUES ( 'Language', 'FR', 'localhost' );

[08:04:51]

just_joe:

I'm running mythdora (myth 0.20.20060828–4) and everything was working fine, I had several shows set to record any time they came on. all of the sudden they stopped recording and I don't see anything in "upcoming recordings". not sure where to check on this problem.

[08:04:54]

Tanthrix:

Er, sorry. Bit much to paste there

[08:05:02]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Where did that come from?

[08:05:33]

Tanthrix:

The pastebin of alan|home's "mythfrontend --verbose all > file.txt" I asked him for

[08:06:20]

Tanthrix:

just_joe: I had that problem. Seemed like once a week all my upcoming recordings would disappear. Had to restart the backend (maybe mysqld too, but I don't think so) to bring them back

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Tanthrix:

Never found out why, but the problem was fixed in .20 for me.

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Offhand, I'd suspect an ill-advised code edit they've made, or more likely someone was careless and killed the power on their box, which has corrupted the database

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Dagmar:

I don't appear to *have* that setting, according to mythweb

[08:08:04]

just_joe:

im running .20 and I have tried a simple reboot but it hasn't helped. do you mean a more specific backend restart than a reboot?

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Tanthrix:

just_joe: No, I believe that's all I did.

[08:08:24]

Dagmar:

I fully expect that initial query about language to go away, becuase it doesn't really have any place on a unix machine

[08:08:27]

alan|home:

Dagmar: neither do i...

[08:08:41]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: I'd try backing up your database, making a new one, and then seeing if the problem persists.

[08:08:54]

Dagmar:

alan|home: So when was the last time you ran the optimize/repair script?

[08:09:14]

alan|home:

Dagmar: don't know if i ever did that...

[08:09:27]

Dagmar:

Tables can easily get corrupted and flagged as read-only by MySQL without really saying much to you about it unless you're reading the syslog and the mysql logs

[08:09:35]

alan|home:

Tanthrix: i spent so much time configuring this db...

[08:09:47]

alan|home:

Dagmar: arf...

[08:09:51]

Dagmar:

alan|home: Type `optimize(tabtabtab)`

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alan|home:

Dagmar: ok, not so important, anyway...

[08:10:09]

Dagmar:

It should tab-complete into optimize_mythdb.pl

[08:10:18]

Dagmar:

Run that as the same user that starts the backend up

[08:10:42]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: How old is this db? A fresh setup, or something you've been running for months?

[08:11:13]

Dagmar:

Ya might wanna make sure that if you put /var/lib/mysql into it's own filesystem, that that filesystem is not full

[08:12:04]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Seriously tho... This language thing is not something any well-behaved Linux app should ever be asking a user about

[08:12:57]

alan|home:

hey... optimize_mythdb.pl solved the problem !! (^^)

[08:13:00]

Tanthrix:

Er, isn't the "select your language" the first thing that the frontend asks when you do a fresh install?

[08:13:07]

Dagmar:

Yeah, and it shoudln't.

[08:13:29]

Dagmar:

Simply looking at the LANG environment variable should always be able to answer that question.

[08:13:32]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: Well, if you're having db issues, check this page: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/repair.html

[08:13:42]

Tanthrix:

Might be wise to run through that and make sure everything is dandy

[08:13:42]

alan|home:

well... now, the UI isn't in french anymore... but i should survive...

[08:13:50]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: That perl script actually handles repairing and trimming the db properly.

[08:14:37]

Tanthrix:

alan|home: Go into appearance settings – few pages in you can try changing it back to french.

[08:14:51]

alan|home:

Tanthrix: ok. thanks a lot

[08:14:55]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Oh really? I'll have to remember that

[08:15:13]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Realistically, all that should be necessary for making the thing run in French would be setting LANG to fr_FR

[08:15:37]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: I have it being run by the init script for the backend before the backend is started

[08:15:40]

Dagmar:

It saves a lot of hassle.

[08:16:07]

Dagmar:

...because I have *yet* to have a power failure condition where at least one table didn't get knackered up.

[08:16:25]

Tanthrix:

I'll have to set that up myself, definately a good idea

[08:16:35]

Tanthrix:

I'm off for now. alan|home: Good luck.

[08:16:36]

just_joe:

tanthrix: ok i still don't have anything i HAD scheduled listed and i can't seem to save a new schedule and then list it, so i still can't schedule anything.

[08:17:10]

Tanthrix:

just_joe: Run the above db check just for good measure.

[08:17:17]

Dagmar:

I was going to suggest that as well

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just_joe:

tanthrix: but if I look at my recorded shows I see they have saved settings to record all the time. (running db check)

[08:18:07]

Dagmar:

just_joe: Yeah, so?

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alan|home:

thanks for your help, Tanthrix & Dagmar

[08:18:25]

Dagmar:

What I think you fail to realize is that the actual schedule of programs to record is *also* a table

[08:18:26]

Tanthrix:

No prob.

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alan|home:

everything work now

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Dagmar:

If that table gets buggered up and goes away or is otherwise truncated, no new things will be scheduled for recording

[08:19:07]

Dagmar:

...and you should get a bunch of weird errors in mythbackend.log, but that's kind of hit or miss

[08:19:07]

just_joe:

true.

[08:19:15]

Dagmar:

Myth doesn't always notice when the db tells it something is wrong

[08:19:59]

Dagmar:

For about a month I was doing power failure tests over here just to see what all could break

[08:20:16]

Dagmar:

3–4 times a week, I'd just power off the myth box

[08:20:38]

Dagmar:

The database is definitely THE most fragile piece of the lot

[08:22:21]

Dagmar:

Truncated recordings, missing recording files, corrupted recording files.... myth doesn't seem to care about these things

[08:22:36]

Dagmar:

...but the database cracks and splinters at the drop of a hat.

[08:22:59]

just_joe:

so when you say db check do you mean doing a 'mysqlcheck mythconverg' ?

[08:23:38]

Dagmar:

No I mean running optimize_mythdb.pl

[08:23:43]

just_joe:

(I uhm had to google your suggestion)

[08:23:46]

Dagmar:

It ships with myth and it does a very careful check

[08:24:26]

just_joe:

gotcha

[08:26:56]

alan|home:

is anyone aware of a mythtv frontend for PS2 ?

[08:27:17]

Dagmar:

The difference amounts to mainly that optimize_mythdb.pl appears to use the mythtv mysql credentials, where the mysql program for doing the same is likely to bother the user with a question about what credentials to use

[08:27:26]

enyc:

alan|home: what sort of PS2 ??

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Dagmar:

s/appears/attempts/;

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alan|home:

enyc: playstation 2, i mean

[08:27:43]

enyc:

alan|home: I have a PS2 386 v/ vga here... nad ethernet... so it might be doable but too slow

[08:28:25]

enyc:

alan|home: right... i know psx-2 w/ linux has been done....

[08:28:32]

enyc:

alan|home: so it sounds do-able ;-)

[08:28:41]

enyc:

alan|home: using the hard disk connector thing

[08:29:26]

alan|home:

enyc: mmm... i had SMS Media player reading video files without any hdd on my ps2

[08:30:05]

alan|home:

enyc: i guess it ___could___ be done even without hdd

[08:30:17]

enyc:

alan|home: indeed... with osme king of knoppix-equivalent ;-)

[08:30:32]

enyc:

alan|home: or indeed use a flash-based hdd-replacement anyway

[08:30:51]

alan|home:

don't know a lot about programming... so i guess you are right

[08:30:55]

enyc:

alan|home: iirc they are MIPS cpu systems...

[08:31:11]

alan|home:

i think so

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alan|home:

mmm... i may be wrong... but if i understand this http://sms.ps2-scene.org/SMSMANUAL/HTML/en/usage-network.html

[08:34:33]

alan|home:

i could use my ps2 to read videos recorded by mythtv

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alan|home:

if i get to read the live feed video... it may work...

[08:35:48]

** alan|home needs a new rj45 cable... **

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just_joe:

dagmar: should optimize_mythdb.pl tell me something besides what it is repairing since it says it repaied everything.

[08:37:46]

Dagmar:

just_joe: nope

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just_joe:

dagmar: ok that's fine but I dont see any of my shows scheduled. do i have to reschedule everything?

[08:38:41]

t0ny-p40:

Any using that new flv play/streamer for mythweb?

[08:39:17]

just_joe:

dagmar: I guess I am not sure how to tell that this did anything since

[08:39:43]

just_joe:

damar: i don't have my old list of shows back

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Dagmar:

Schedule one new show, and then check /var/log/mythbackend.log

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just_joe:

ok that didn't seem to generate any log entries

[08:44:16]

Dagmar:

Is it still scheduled?

[08:44:26]

Dagmar:

Does it show up in the list of upcoming recordings?

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just_joe:

no that says i don't have anything scheduled

[08:46:52]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

[08:47:00]

Dagmar:

Maybe check the *.err file in /var/lib/mysqld

[08:47:04]

Dagmar:

er /var/lib/mysql

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Speedy2:

Hrm, I verified the recordings Myth is making don't have any errors causing slow down / speedup

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just_joe:

no err files on /var/lib/mysql

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Dagmar:

You have a lame distro

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just_joe:

sweet

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just_joe:

mythdora?

[08:50:19]

Dagmar:

If it weren't lame, your stuff would probably work right now

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just_joe:

there is a /var/log/mysql.log

[08:51:14]

Dagmar:

Then check it

[08:51:42]

Dagmar:

...although it's not the same log file as what I was referring to would have been

[08:52:16]

subx:

my mythb0x is running solid

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subx:

alongside, postfix, bind, VSFTPD, NFS

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just_joe:

dagmar: i don't see anything glaring besides a non normal shutdown and the subsequent recovery

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just_joe:

dagmar: by the by which distro would you recomend for running myth?

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subx:

i rekon u should run ubuntu or fedora

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just_joe:

subx: i am running fedora

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Dagmar:

I just tell people to use knoppmyth

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subx:

fedora is good because it uses latest kernels and those have drivers u might need to save u patching

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Dagmar:

Although ubuntu or fedora would probably work, they require you to actually go to more trouble to install Myth

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Dagmar:

KnoppMyth's only reason for existance is to install MythTV, so it just gets done

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subx:

ubuntu has some good hardware detection scripts built in

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just_joe:

subx: yes it had the video driver I needed. dagmar: mythdora is pretty the same.

[08:56:39]

subx:

but for me, debian etch :D

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subx:

im not a fan of the ubuntu brown look...

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just_joe:

well ok I guess I can try to work on this in the morning and if not I am downloading knoppmyth as i type

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par-joha:

subx: there's 'xubuntu'

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par-joha:

...that comes with Xfce instead of gnome, very nice

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hume_:

hi... I am trying to scan for additional channels, but when I scan with the mythbackend, all existing information is lost. Can I just ADD information about a channel in some easy way? running analog TV, Hauppauge PVR-350 card, kubuntu machine

[09:43:12]

Dagmar:

mythtv-setup, I *think*

[09:43:53]

Dagmar:

Mainly if you are in the US and using "regular" cable or broadcast, it'll be simpler if you just let MythTV populate the channel lists using the program guide data

[09:44:14]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure if that works with the other guide grabbers, but I have my suspicions

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hume_:

hi again..... anyone can advice me on how I scan for new channels and add them, without replacing existing channel info. analog TV, kubuntu linux

[10:11:42]

Dagmar:

Again, don't bother scanning for analog TV.

[10:14:15]

hume_:

?

[10:14:38]

hume_:

i can scan and then find my channels.... but: how should I do then?

[10:16:54]

Dagmar:

Like I said earlier and was apparently ignored, if you are in the US or using a listings provider that only provides data on channels you have, let mythfilldatabase populate the channel listing.

[10:16:58]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, mythtv-setup

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hume_:

i crashed, sorry, didnt see

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hume_:

i am in Sweden, and my problem is to find the channel with the right frequncy. mythfilldatabase does not give me that, or have I misunderstood it?

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Cry_wolf2:

Analog in sweden ? com-hem ?

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hume_:

right

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Cry_wolf2:

ok, using dvb-t myself so i can´t help you

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hume_:

ok

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hume_:

with which provider?

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Cry_wolf2:

boxer

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Hoxzer:

hume_: you can use search for channels.conf of your tv provider and use that to get those missing channels to work

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Hoxzer:

*you can search for channels.conf

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hume_:

ok, another question: i would need to use two grabbers, tv_grab_se_swedb and tv_grab_dk – how can I set mythfilldatabase to do this?

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gbee:

need some help getting mythtv to use the correct alsa device, I've got it set to ALSA:default but instead of using the default device (card1) it's using the first one (card0)

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gbee:

nevermind, user error

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juski:

heh it's all well & good telling mythtv which device to use if they always change around.

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** juski smacks udev **

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laga:

juski: the mythbuntu guys are working on that ;)

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juski:

yeah like I'll ever use mythbuntu

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** gbee just wants stereo sound again **

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laga:

juski: it's not that bad. heh

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laga:

juski: i assume those changes will go into ubuntu as well

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gbee:

right hand speaker on the laptop packed up, so I bought a £15 pair of portable usb speakers until I have time to take the laptop apart

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juski:

muh muh muh muh muh muh, muh muh muh I think that mythvideo muh muh muhhh.. ARGHHH keep that sort of talk of the -dev list, morons!

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gbee:

heh, seems mandriva doesn't have a nice gui app for alsa configuration but will setup the devices correctly on boot, so I guess a reboot is required :(

[13:16:33]

Cry_wolf2:

juski: Is it you who have posted on facebook mythtv group ?

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juski:

er.. I dunno

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laga:

gbee: maybe you can restart the alsa service?

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** gbee tries restarting alsa **

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juski:

Cry_wolf2: can you try saying that in English?

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laga:

i need to fiddle with alsa, too. *sigh*

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laga:

today i shall rewire my computer stuff

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Cry_wolf2:

Justin Hornsby (Manchester) wrote <-- Is that you

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juski:

NO

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Cry_wolf2:

oki

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juski:

now be a good chap & stop annoying me

[13:18:20]

Cry_wolf2:

bah

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gbee:

laga: didn't work, well at least it's still not appearing as an available PCM device even though alsa recognises that it's a valid alsa device

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laga:

gbee: hum. are the modules loaded?

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gbee:

yeah

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laga:

that's weird. it should work then.

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gbee:

aplay -l shows it, aplay -L doesn't

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laga:

maybe it doesn't provide a PCM?

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gbee:

I know nothing about alsa, but I assume that means it's recognised as being there but it's not configured

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gbee:

alsamixer -c says it is

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gbee:

alsamixer -c 1

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gbee:

anyway, I'll try a reboot first

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juski:

anyway Cry_wolf2 what consequence would it be even if I was him – you a stalker or something? poor guy

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Gummie:

hmm

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Gummie:

lately I had a plugin idea

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juski:

Oh yeah now I get it. whoever IS in the mythtv group on facebook is going to be inundated, like as if it's a freaking support forum :(

[13:24:56]

laga:

help! mytharchive broke my cup holder!

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Gummie:

could it be feasible to make a plugin for searching and viewing flash movies from youtube

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laga:

Gummie: mythbrowser?

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Gummie:

fully automatic

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Gummie:

like

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juski:

yeah mythbrowser

[13:25:26]

juski:

yeah mythbrowser

[13:25:26]

juski:

yeah mythbrowser

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juski:

geddit?

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Dagmar:

Good luck keeping the flash plugin up to date

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juski:

Gummie: do you mean would it be easy for you to make or are you whining that nobody has yet made one?

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Gummie:

why do you think I'm asking it here before i post it somewhere

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Gummie:

:p

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juski:

Gummie: I don't know

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juski:

why are you asking here?

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Dagmar:

Sloth.

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Gummie:

like I said

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Gummie:

it is an idea

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juski:

are you gonna write a plugin? COOL!

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Gummie:

...

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juski:

that's totally awesome you've offerred to make a plugin to search & view youtube videos!

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juski:

can't wait to see it working already

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SiD3WiNDR:

hum

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SiD3WiNDR:

doesn't front row have a "top 10 youtube" or something?

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Gummie:

juski do you burn all user's ideas down?

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juski:

Gummie: any ideas that don't come with patches, YES

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juski:

we don't do feature requests

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Gummie:

did I ask you do?

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laga:

o_O

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Dagmar:

You whined at the channel in general.

[13:29:39]

Dagmar:

That's annoying.

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Dagmar:

...and lame.

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juski:

there's a (totally ignored) feature wishlist in the wiki

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Dagmar:

...especially considering that MythBrowser already does YouTube just fine.

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laga:

... in svn trunk

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Dagmar:

...so you've not done any research, either.

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Gummie:

that's why i asked it here in the gist place juski

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juski:

oh and mythnews already supports lists like top 10 youtube videos & other categories

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juski:

and it's really easy to add other feeds too

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Dagmar:

Damn I wish I could record TV with MythTv instead of just watching it.

[13:30:53]

Dagmar:

It would be cool if someone wrote a plugin to record shows.

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juski:

Dagmar: you need MythHarddisk. It's in SVN trunk right now

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Gummie:

Dagmar i didn't ask someone to write a plugin

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juski:

trouble is, it records everything & people are whining about it

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juski:

Gummie: you asked how easy it'd be to write one, as if you were gonna do it

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juski:

then you eased off, meaning you expect somebody else to do it

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juski:

you didn't say it outright, but it was a feature request

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Gummie:

ok

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juski:

I need to smack somebody. going insane with my inlaws here today

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laga:

go for a walk b efore you decapitate even more users?

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juski:

nah. capping users is fun

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juski:

whiny users suck!

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laga:

awesome. i've only got 35W bulbs and this lamp is rated for 20W only. gah.

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juski:

of course it's easier just to

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juski:

oh ****ing GREAT. mythtvtalk's ftp account is offline again

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juski:

wheee all gone

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juski:

wtf is the point in that USELESS STINKING FTP SERVER?!

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laga:

your in-laws must be great

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juski:

I think I'd rather have my own parents come to visit

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juski:

that's how bad it is

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laga:

woah

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k-man:

hello

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k-man:

should dvb-t dual tuners show up as 2 tuners in /dev/dvb?

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juski:

hmm let me think

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juski:

naw they should appear as half a tuner in /dev/foobar

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** k-man pokes juski in the eye with a dirty stick **

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juski:

of course they should appear as 2 tuners in the dev/dvb tree

[14:01:45]

k-man:

juski, hmm, thats interesting as mine does't for some reason

[14:01:56]

k-man:

thanks

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juski:

that'd be a problem for #linuxtv then

[14:02:06]

k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thanks

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juski:

should be like /dev/dvb/adapter0 and /dev/dvb/adapter1

[14:02:34]

k-man:

juski, ok, thanks

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k-man:

i just have one of them

[14:02:38]

juski:

if the dual tuner card is the only one.. all depends what order udev enumerates the devices

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k-man:

yeah.. i have 3 other cardss

[14:03:09]

k-man:

maybe no device is being made

[14:03:14]

juski:

wait

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k-man:

so that makes a total of 5 adaptors

[14:03:33]

juski:

I think to support more than 4 you need to patch the kernel and / or mythtv

[14:03:36]

k-man:

and the new dual tuner should be adapter3 and 4

[14:03:41]

k-man:

oh

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k-man:

really?

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k-man:

crap

[14:03:55]

juski:

if I remember right.. they should know in #linuxtv

[14:04:23]

juski:

why don't you just wait a while for the multirec branch to be merged? might not be long now

[14:04:55]

k-man:

juski, really?

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k-man:

when you say it might not be long... are we talking days or weeks?

[14:06:18]

k-man:

or months?

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laga:

something between weeks or months, i'd say.

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laga:

maybe they show up as /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 and /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend1

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laga:

k-man: i guess there is no ETA on the merge yet

[14:08:26]

k-man:

laga, no

[14:08:36]

k-man:

the multi rec stuff sounds pretty exciting though

[14:08:49]

laga:

yup

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k-man:

laga, i checked the frontend idea, and no, they don't show up like that

[14:10:04]

laga:

k-man: maybe in some other adapterX directory?

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k-man:

laga, ill check ,but i don't think so

[14:10:40]

k-man:

no

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k-man:

nothing there

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laga:

hum

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laga:

dunno then :(

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k-man:

oh well.. thanks anyway

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juski:

'not long' in mythtv terms is anything less than years :-P

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SiD3WiNDR:

AND you also said "might" ;)

[14:23:14]

SiD3WiNDR:

so I guess it -may- happen this century

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juski:

yeah well if people capable of producing decent bug reports get testing it, maybe sooner

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juski:

ah well. hey folks. no more theme updates. can't upload em

[14:36:32]

juski:

hard lines etc

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gbee:

well got the speakers working, only I can't figure out what the mixer device should be and after playing music for about a minute alsa locks up

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gbee:

but other than that, it's going well ;)

[14:39:20]

juski:

sod it. nobody'll care much if my website disappears

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juski:

if they don't know how to svn co, screw them

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Cry_wolf2:

But tar.bz2 is so easy :=)

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juski:

but uploading tarballs when an ftp server is borked, is impossible!

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gbee:

right it out on sheets of paper as ones and zeros, then post it to NTL

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gbee:

write

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Cry_wolf2:

juski: Yes that might be a litle hard

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juski:

it's not so much ntl's it's mythtvtalk.com

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gbee:

what's feisty using for a kernel?

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juski:

screw it though

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juski:

gbee: a moist lump of chewed up code? ;)

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juski:

ah 2.6.20 ish

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gbee:

juski: thanks

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gbee:

they are obviously a little more adventurous than mandriva who used 2.6.17 in their lastest release

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Cry_wolf2:

Etch is on 2.6.18

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gbee:

at least they are offering 2.6.21 in their cooker repo

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gbee:

2.6.22 even

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gbee:

if my alsa device is default:1 any ideas what the mixer should be?

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juski:

oh ffs I give up trying to upload these themes

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juski:

sodit & fackem

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Dagmar:

gbee: Type `amixer scontrols` and peruse the list

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Dagmar:

You'll probably need -c 1

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imperfect-:

Howdy

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gbee:

Dagmar: thanks. any idea what should actually be entered into mythfrontend setup though? ALSA:default:1 doesn't work

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imperfect-:

What's the status on Zap2It?

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juski:

imperfect-: see the channel topic

[15:03:41]

imperfect-:

juski: must you always be such a dork?

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Dagmar:

imperfect-: Why must you be such a lazy git

[15:03:58]

imperfect-:

juski: it's beens months since i've been here and I could set my watch to you being a twit.

[15:04:38]

juski:

imperfect-: the channel topic mentions a link

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imperfect-:

juski: if you weren't so damn knowledgeable I'd give you a noggie.

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imperfect-:

that's weird

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imperfect-:

what was I just looking at

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imperfect-:

Oh my bad.

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juski:

you're so sharp you could cut yourself

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Cry_wolf2:

git & twit... you´ve gotta love uk-people. So much funnier than us-english

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Dagmar:

I'm not UK.

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Cry_wolf2:

oh

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imperfect-:

Well my question really was — do you think they're going to actually make it happen

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imperfect-:

No

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Dagmar:

I just have a rather vast vocabulary for describing "stupid"

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imperfect-:

I'm USA>

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imperfect-:

I just didnt wanan call him a dickhead

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imperfect-:

or an asshole

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juski:

imperfect-: fuck you

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Cry_wolf2:

lol

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imperfect-:

or anything else that came to mind because he's been helpful ;)

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Dagmar:

Just STFU before you make everyone put you on ignore

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Dagmar:

He told you to look at the channel topic, and you insulted him for it

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imperfect-:

Of course I did!

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imperfect-:

He's an ass!

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imperfect-:

but that'

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Dagmar:

Because you're an ass.

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Dagmar:

He didn't say anything mean.

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imperfect-:

No

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imperfect-:

I'm joking you dolt!

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Dagmar:

He just said to look at the channel topic.

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Cry_wolf2:

wb

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juski:

hey can an op do everybody a favour & kickban me? PLEASE

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juski:

seriously

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Dagmar:

juski: No, I'm 100% behind you in this one. His behaviour was uncalled for.

[15:09:12]

Dagmar:

It doesn't get much more semantically neutral than "see the channel topic"

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juski:

I'm sick of this channel, and IRC in general. I need to stop coming in here to save my sanity

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juski:

imperfect-: stop PMing me

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imperfect-:

very well.

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juski:

I'm this far '' from going postal

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** imperfect- hands juski some whitespace. **

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imperfect-:

don't do it.

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juski:

I'm apparently not the only thing overheating round here. cpu at idle is 56'C. ffs!

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GreyFoxx:

My main frontend does that a lot :/

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imperfect-:

Jeez

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GreyFoxx:

Though I plan to buy anew one soon to go with the rest of the new gear

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juski:

is this my kickban coming? :D

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juski:

seriously I've got to stop coming in here, it's too much to resist

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imperfect-:

I've got a Core2Duo 1.86 wit the 4MB cache version

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imperfect-:

2gig of ram

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imperfect-:

about a TB for storage

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imperfect-:

I'd really love to finally get things configured to a point where everything actually worked.

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Dagmar:

Fat luck getting help today

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imperfect-:

Dagmar: Jesus god!

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GreyFoxx:

My current machine plays the hdtv stuff, but it's right at the edge. If much else is going on in the background it drops frames, so it's time to udpate it

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imperfect-:

Dagmar: It was a JOKE!

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imperfect-:

Dagmar: the last time I talked to him he wa

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imperfect-:

Dagmar : I dont evenknow you... trust me he's a second from losing his freaking mind — LIKE ALWAYS ;)

[15:15:53]

imperfect-:

Dagmar : I was trying to joke with him because he's been very helpful to me in the past. Nothing more, Nothing less.

[15:16:03]

imperfect-:

Dagmar : He doesn't rememeber me so he flipped out.

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imperfect-:

GreyFoxx : O dpm

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imperfect-:

GreyFoxx : I don't do a lot of HD

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imperfect-:

Anyone here got Digital Cable?

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GreyFoxx:

I got HD the other day when I moved into the new house

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** GreyFoxx does **

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imperfect-:

[like from comcast]

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imperfect-:

Well

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GreyFoxx:

Analog cable, digital via QAM capture card, and now digital+hd over firewire

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imperfect-:

I dont have have one of the nifty boxes that has 1394 coming out

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imperfect-:

Ok

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GreyFoxx:

If I put back in my bttv card and hookup my dish I can have ~1 of most cards myth supports

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imperfect-:

What kind of QAM capture do I need?

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: I use the Avermedia A180, worked well out of the box

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GreyFoxx:

though it's a crapshoot just what channels you will get from your cableco in the clear

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imperfect-:

GreyFoxx : Do you get access to the ondemand and menus?

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imperfect-:

Yea

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imperfect-:

That's what I was araid of.

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: No menus or ondemand

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imperfect-:

If I upgrade a box to the HD version

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imperfect-:

w/ th firewir

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imperfect-:

I can have full control of the box though and it'll spit out straight mpegfor me, right?

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GreyFoxx:

imperfect-: The problem with that is that they can encrypt the channels that are available on firewire too. So it will depend on the alignment of the moon and your particular local cable co

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imperfect-:

wow

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GreyFoxx:

I'm lucky in that my cableco lets it all through unencrypted

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imperfect-:

That stinks ;)

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imperfect-:

I've got a PVR-150

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GreyFoxx:

oh ok

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GreyFoxx:

Well you can record the analog standard def output with thaty

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imperfect-:

I wonder if my wire will let me get regular cable channels at least

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imperfect-:

I've also got a Air2PC

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imperfect-:

I heard it had _some_ QAM support

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GreyFoxx:

depending on the vcersion some of those do QAM as well

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imperfect-:

I think it's earlier.

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imperfect-:

(an earlier revision

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imperfect-:

I'm not really too keen on running ubuntu

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imperfect-:

It just seems to so resource intensive

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imperfect-:

Have they done anything about mythmusic recently?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use it, but it's talked abotu frequently by people working on it

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imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

I loved XBMC on my xbox

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GreyFoxx:

Should be nifty once they finish the port of it to linux

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willcooke:

OTQ > Is it "Help desk" or "Helpdesk"?

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imperfect-:

Question

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imperfect-:

What's a baselink nvidia card I should have to improve plaback?

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laga:

what's a "baselink nvidia card"?

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imperfect-:

sorry base line

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laga:

hum

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jarle__:

Which frequency should I use to search for channels on Thor 2? Would any transponder do, or is it a special frequency I should use?

[15:52:35]

imperfect-:

I've got a C2d 1.86 4mbcache

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imperfect-:

Right now i'm using the onboard video card into the baclk of my plasmsa

[15:53:01]

imperfect-:

but that only gives 1024x768

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imperfect-:

I wonder if I can do DVI->HDMI and use another HDMI port and get better rez or someting

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dr_willis:

imperfect-, i doubt if using converters like that will help much.. but ya never can tell. :)

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dr_willis:

since it is all digital. it might...

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dr_willis:

Hmm.. I cant recall seeing a DVI to hdmi converter.

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laga:

imperfect-: why can't you go higher than 1024768?

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caitlin_:

right, i'm a retard. I've got an AC97 chipset sound thingy on an NFORCE 250 board affair, i want to make the damn thing output 6 channels (5.1) and it's being recalcitrant

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caitlin_:

any pointers

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caitlin_:

i know it can do it 'cause there's instructions for XP, can i botch my linux drivers to make it make me happy

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willcooke:

caitlin_, has it got 6 analogue outputs, or a spdif?

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caitlin_:

analogue

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caitlin_:

it uses the normal 3 sockets on the back inc headphone and mic and stuff

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caitlin_:

obviously i need to get the chip to change mode

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willcooke:

ah, sorry – then I don't know. I once got my spdif working but I've never got the analogue working. I think it's something to do with a .asound file, hold on I'll look....

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willcooke:

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/asoundrc.php

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alieas:

is anyone running mupen (n64 emulator) ?

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caitlin_:

*click*

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willcooke:

caitlin_, very comlicated (to my eyes anyway)

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caitlin_:

yummy

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caitlin_:

cheers for the link

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willcooke:

np :) – good luck!

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imperfect-:

Hey

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imperfect-:

Anyone here know if this card is supported GF7600GS-HDCP

[16:12:41]

imperfect-:

I'm trying to find a video card that has HDMI out...

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willcooke:

caitlin_, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound

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willcooke:

imperfect-, Looks good to me

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imperfect-:

willcooke : So Myth won't have a problem w/ me going out HDMI?>

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alieas:

janneg: I compiled that patch... it seems to be playing h.264 alot better now. Its played everything so far.

[16:17:17]

willcooke:

imperfect-, If you don't mind using non-free drivers

[16:18:16]

willcooke:

imperfect-, Myth won't care, it uses X to draw to the screen, not directly to the video hardware – so as long as you can get X to start you should be laughing

[16:20:09]

laga:

willcooke: it also uses xvideo...

[16:20:40]

willcooke:

laga, and xvmc

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willcooke:

laga, but isn't that driven my an intermediate library.

[16:21:16]

laga:

if you tell it to ;)

[16:21:46]

willcooke:

But myth itself doesn't actually care does it?

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laga:

of course it does.

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laga:

how can it not care? it has to interact with the library

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willcooke:

well yeah, what I mean is that mythtv doesn't explicitly know about hdmi

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laga:

that's a different thing, indeed

[16:24:53]

willcooke:

it all see's a a pipe in which to send things to the screen?

[16:24:58]

laga:

i wonder if hdcp works in linux

[16:25:08]

laga:

willcooke: yup. i must have misunderstood you, sorry :)

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Dagmar:

laga: It does not.

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willcooke:

:)

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Ymsetjenesta:

Hi my Myth TV configurations hangs up during the retreiving the list of available channels.

[16:45:37]

alieas:

has anyone run zsnes? I compiled and on laucnh "Segmentation fault (core dumped)

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alieas:

"

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caitlin_:

GET IN! surround#

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caitlin_:

nice

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alieas:

I've never used it before

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willcooke:

caitlin_, Good work – that didn't take long!

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caitlin_:

i'm quite ace when i have my eye in :P

[16:46:46]

laga:

won't you need mark spieth's patch to get multiple channel support over analog out?

[16:46:52]

caitlin_:

random option setting ftw

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caitlin_:

now just to wait for the bugginess to appear

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laga:

alieas: try talking to the zsnes people

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Ymsetjenesta:

Can anyone please help me. The Myth TV configurations hangs-up after finishing the videosource setup.

[16:54:22]

laga:

Ymsetjenesta: details?

[16:54:25]

laga:

*sigh*

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laga:

Dagmar: do you have some example code for your trivia bot?

[16:57:43]

Ymsetjenesta:

Laga: When I'm finished with the setup screen for video source and press "finsish". The Progress bar starts at 50% and never continue.

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laga:

"If you're outside of North America, then some manual interaction will be required with XMLTV. You may need to switch from the MythTV setup program to the console it was run on to interact with XMLTV.

[16:59:40]

laga:

"

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laga:

Ymsetjenesta: ^^

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Ymsetjenesta:

Yes I'm outside America. Norway here :)

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jarle__:

Ymsetjenesta: What kind of tuner-card?

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Ymsetjenesta:

Hapauge PR150

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willcooke:

Ymsetjenesta, If you're using an XML TV listings (video) source then press alt-tab and see what it says on the console

[17:05:48]

Ymsetjenesta:

Two secs

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TUplink_:

what is the trick to using mytharchive.......im getting and error...... Source file does not exist: /GetPlaybackURL/.......

[17:10:18]

willcooke:

TUplink_, You need to run it on the same computer as the source video (assuming your front end is on a different box to your back end)

[17:10:26]

Ymsetjenesta:

Laga: A whole lota things suddenly happended. I let you know whats happening.

[17:10:29]

TUplink_:

nope on the same box

[17:12:02]

TUplink_:

maybe its in mythburn.pl

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willcooke:

TUplink_, Hmmm. Hvae you got all the dependencies installed? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive#Dependencies

[17:12:08]

TUplink_:

py*

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TUplink_:

should..... wouldnt ./configure of mythplugin check that

[17:13:36]

willcooke:

TUplink_, dunno, I would have thought so, yeah.

[17:13:42]

laga:

no, it does not AFAIK

[17:14:01]

TUplink_:

yea i mean i have instaled mythtv from RPM..... then uninstaled and did it from source

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willcooke:

TUplink_, I think it creates a log file somewhere, perhaps /tmp – that will tell you what's going on

[17:16:12]

TUplink_:

well im in the logviewer.......

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TUplink_:

in mythfrontend

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TUplink_:

Source file does not exist: /GetPlaybackURL/.......

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TUplink_:

but i would help to find that log

[17:18:40]

jarle__:

I'm unable to scan for channels on my DVB-S card in MythTV (I only get timeout) Which tools should I try to verify that my card is actually working?

[17:20:42]

willcooke:

jarle__, dvb-utils in ubuntu/debian

[17:20:58]

willcooke:

scan in particular

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laga:

he's already got that answer, kind of. cross-posting rocks, huh?

[17:21:39]

willcooke:

?

[17:22:25]

jarle__:

willcooke: can't seem to figure out where to supply the frequency to scan?

[17:23:58]

willcooke:

jarle__, try /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-s

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TUplink_:

this is the error ERROR: Source file does not exist: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/Tommy-Fedora.KAK-Networks.net/CSI- Crime Scene Investigation – 2007-07–09, 6–00 PM – Pledging Mr. Johnson.nuv

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laga:

TUplink_: does that file exist?

[17:25:39]

TUplink_:

um.... NO

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willcooke:

laga, won't it be called something like 1005_200707211000

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TUplink_:

all the vids are in /content

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TUplink_:

should i make all those folders and symlink to them?

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laga:

willcooke: no, you can change that using mythrename.pl

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laga:

TUplink_: no.

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laga:

TUplink_: check that the file exists

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TUplink_:

huh? wqhat file

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TUplink_:

/GetPlaybackURL

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TUplink_:

i know that on eodnt

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laga:

no.

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laga:

"Tommy-Fedora.KAK-Networks.net/CSI- Crime Scene Investigation – 2007-07–09, 6–00 PM – Pledging Mr. Johnson.nuv

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laga:

"

[17:27:38]

laga:

this file.

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laga:

ffs.

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TUplink_:

in /content?

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laga:

i'll leeave it up to you to figure that out.

[17:28:54]

TUplink_:

well thats not much help....... it could be anywhere

[17:29:11]

** laga is rather busy getting pissed at some crappy lamp **

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laga:

TUplink_: of course in /content!!!!!

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TUplink_:

ok..... dang...... take it easy

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Dibblah:

laga: Better than getting pissed at a (non-crappy, expensive, GF induced) tap.

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TUplink_:

hum......

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TUplink_:

i did /src/mythtv_build/mythtv/contrib/mythrename.pl --link /content/Tommy-Fedora.KAK-Networks.net and got incompatable version

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laga:

and why did you do that?

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laga:

Dibblah: i guess that yours doesn't come with screws that break very easily

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TUplink_:

probably cause i have updated mythbackend.....

[17:33:05]

TUplink_:

but i did a svn to /syc/mythtv_buld/

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Dibblah:

No, it comes with piping you have to solder to. And at $400, one wrong move...

[17:33:17]

TUplink_:

co that script should have been updated

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laga:

Dibblah: oh, nifty. good luck.

[17:33:35]

Dibblah:

It's done. And doesn't leak :)

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willcooke:

Dibblah, would you like to come and fit my new bathroom?! ;)

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jarle__:

diseqc setup in mythtv: port 1 is the first LNB, not port 0?

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Dibblah:

willcooke: Way OT still, but: Thanks for the offer, but no. Tips, though, would be prepare, prepare, prepare. Sand each pipe + inside of fitting, then sand *again* just before applying flux to the lot (both pipe + fitting). Slide together, heat the fitting and the pipes evenly in a waving motion until all the flux boils off, Then hit the solder rings, one at a time, for ~2–3 seconds each.

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Dibblah:

Or use push-fit / plastic :)

[17:40:57]

Dibblah:

Basically, get everything ready first. Don't leave a fitting sanded or covered in flux for long – It plays havoc with the solder.

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willcooke:

Dibblah, good advice!

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Dibblah:

There should be a #plumbing and #plumbing-devel ;)

[17:44:22]

willcooke:

:) uk.d-i-y is a good group

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jarle__:

When scanning for channels in mythtv-setup, it will only scan for channels on one transponder, missing a lot of channels, correct?

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laga:

jarle__: the initial scan covers only one transponder. however, it will add the other transponders to its list of transponders. just scan all existing transponders again

[18:16:25]

jarle__:

laga: thnx, I figured it out after a bit of trying and failing...

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jarle__:

Any hints on where I could go to get help getting my subscription card to work in mythtv?

[18:17:39]

hatlevip:

subscription card?

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fryfrog:

wtf?

[18:18:04]

fryfrog:

you mean, like from a satalite box?

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jarle__:

fryfrog: I recon I could setup a cardserver on my dreambox and have mythtv connect to it, but I'd rather connect a card-reader to my mythtv box...

[18:19:53]

laga:

bad topic

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hatlevip:

what is a cardserver? is that for cablecard?

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laga:

to get your subscription card to work in mythtv, you'll need a CI and a CAM.

[18:20:18]

laga:

hatlevip: no.

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fryfrog:

sorry, i dunno anything about sat

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jarle__:

laga: I was hoping to be pointed somewhere this was not a bad topic...

[18:21:21]

laga:

fryfrog: it's illegal stuff anyways

[18:21:29]

hatlevip:

laga, ahhh, i know nothing about satellite stuff

[18:21:30]

laga:

jarle__: just read the channel faq.

[18:21:59]

fryfrog:

illegal because it is stealing or illegal because it is bypassing encryption?

[18:22:23]

laga:

fryfrog: the latter. it'd be re-implementing the encryption software found in a CAM in software

[18:22:38]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

so its one of those "you have the dvd, you have the right to make a backup copy... but you *don't* have a right to bypass the encryption" type deals

[18:23:24]

fryfrog:

only in this case its, you pay for the service, you aren't stealing... but its encrypted so you have to use their service only how they want?

[18:24:09]

jarle__:

laga: from the faq: "Specifically, the use of softcam to decrypt DVB signals is not a welcome topic in #mythtv-users. This is due to it being a *potential* DMCA violation."

[18:24:24]

laga:

i suppose the encryption and the decryption routine is way more sophisticated, but essentially, yes. additionally, it's usually really easy to watch encrypted stuff without a subscription with those softcams and that's why it shouldn't be discussed in here IMHO. kinda like the torrent plugin

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fryfrog:

ahhhhh

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jarle__:

laga: note that the faq is not saying that is *IS* in violation...

[18:25:28]

fryfrog:

didn't realize the "easy to not pay for it" was true

[18:25:33]

laga:

jarle__: not the FAQ is saying that it's not a welcome topic

[18:25:52]

fryfrog:

i thought it was more like cablecard in the US. in theory, if you could use it in a PC I think it'd be legit cause that is what its for

[18:25:54]

laga:

fryfrog: AFAIK, you just need the keys and that's it.

[18:26:21]

laga:

fryfrog: it's "more elgal" if you get a proper CAM, i guess. then you usually just break the TOS of the cable co

[18:26:40]

fryfrog:

i'd love to ditch my two cable boxes using firewire and get a tv tuner card that took a cablecard

[18:26:42]

Dibblah:

Depends on the country.

[18:26:48]

laga:

Dibblah: indeed

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fryfrog:

I *think* ATI makes some of those, but they are of course for Vista MCE

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jarle__:

laga: my initial question was my humble try of getting somebody to send me a private message pointing me to a channel where I could get help without discussing this here against the channel rules...

[18:28:28]

laga:

you failed at that, huh?

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fryfrog:

but then... that is discussing it here, no? :p

[18:29:42]

jarle__:

laga: sorry, but you did a good job continuing discussing the subject too :)

[18:30:12]

fryfrog:

yeah, but our discussion was totally philosophical :)

[18:30:34]

Dibblah:

jarle__: What you're discussing is possible and supported in Myth. You need a CAM for your card, a DVB card that supports said CAM under Linux, etc.

[18:30:36]

laga:

i explained why it's a not a good thing to be discussed in a mythtv-ish context

[18:31:27]

Dibblah:

CAM as in hardware PCMCIAish decryption related module.

[18:31:41]

jarle__:

Dibblah: Then you would (as far as I know) need one subscription pr tuner-card...

[18:31:48]

Dibblah:

Indeed.

[18:31:52]

Dibblah:

That's how it works.

[18:31:59]

fryfrog:

stupid question: is this for european stuff? or can directv/dish do this?

[18:32:13]

Dibblah:

There is no DTV / Dish CAM.

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fryfrog:

ah

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Dibblah:

That I'm aware of, anyway.

[18:32:28]

fryfrog:

they use their own shit, no?

[18:32:38]

Dibblah:

Nagra2, I believe.

[18:33:17]

Dibblah:

However, that's a discussion you'll need to have somewhere else :)

[18:33:37]

laga:

sad

[18:33:44]

laga:

it was just getting interesting ;)

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fryfrog:

sounds like you are being racist :p

[18:34:52]

laga:

why?

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laga:

i'm nowhere near directv ;)

[18:35:29]

fryfrog:

yeah, and i'm stuck with communistcast

[18:35:53]

laga:

i said "sad" because there are cams that can do nagra2. ah, nvm

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jams:

xris i really like the antec fusion

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Dibblah:

laga: As far as I am aware, there are no physical nagra2 CAMs.

[18:47:45]

Dibblah:

Certainly none supported by the various providers.

[18:48:05]

** Dibblah wishes he lived in SE :( **

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xris:

jams: was looking at this one, but according to newegg, it's discontinued: http://www.nmediapc.com/htpc280.htm

[18:49:25]

jams:

the local store had that case for a while

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xris:

how'd it look quality-wise?

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xris:

not sure what I think of the fusion

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: You're forgetting, the enemy has changed, and terroristcast doesn't really work ;)

[18:53:48]

jams:

from the front it looked good, but I didn't like the mismatch of steel and aluminum

[18:54:10]

jams:

i never opened it our anything, so I can't speak about it how it looks inside

[18:54:54]

jams:

i'm really thinking about getting revision2 of the fusion in black.

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xris:

wpw. directron is WAY cheaper than newegg for the fusion v2

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xris:

s/wpw/wow/

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d00gster:

can someone please help me spot the problem with my xorg. I see the signal on TV-out (compsite yellow) via a vga adaptor. however the signal is b/w and skewed/rolls My tv is a 27inch Sony, my vga card is intel built onto the mobo. the xorg is on http://www.pastebin.ca/628869

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d00gster:

appreciate some input, I've tried google .... :-)

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xris:

d00gster: sounds like the drivers are messed up or confused

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xris:

or just don't support tv-out

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d00gster:

xris: according to this the chipset does support tv out

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d00gster:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)

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d00gster:

http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/intel86 . . . 865main&

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xris:

d00gster: I didn't say anything about the chipset. I'm talking about the driver.

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xris:

no driver means *linux* might not be able to do tv-out

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xris:

and could/would explain the weirdness

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xris:

d00gster: you'd make your life a lot easier if you picked up a $20–30 nvidia card. otherwise, you'll probably have to do a lot of web searching to see if there is any way at all to get tv-out working with that chipset under linux

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eubey:

does mythtv have a netflix plugin like media portal?

[19:13:28]

cesman:

mythflix

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eubey:

thx

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cesman:

you're welcome

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d00gster:

xris, which card could support 1080p ?

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eubey:

im thinking about switching from mediaportal ot mythtv cause media portal is being dumb

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xris:

d00gster: anything with a dvi port?

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xris:

tv-out doesn't do HD like that, anyway

[19:14:32]

d00gster:

true

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d00gster:

ok, another question: is there a developer irc room for myth?

[19:15:13]

xris:

#mythtv

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Dibblah:

#mythtv-devel, but there aren't many developers ;)

[19:15:49]

xris:

but we tend to get upset when conversation isn't directly related to actual development

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d00gster:

well I got this 16 port diseqc switch that has uniqe command structure

[19:16:53]

d00gster:

I managed to get it to work with VDR after weeks of pain

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d00gster:

but in vdr you can configure the commands yourself

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d00gster:

wondering is the code in myth does really support diseqc 2.0 for 16 ports using E0 10 38 F0 – through- FF

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d00gster:

anyone knows?

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xris:

not a clue

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Dibblah:

d00gster: Are you willing do dig into the code?

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d00gster:

hummm, I got very rusty in C

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d00gster:

I know killercode on dvbn had to patch the source

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d00gster:

Dibblah, were you going to suggest what part of the code to dig in?

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Dibblah:

Line 985 or so of diseqc.cpp

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Dibblah:

Also some definitions before it, but you'll see in that switch statement.

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Dibblah:

(current SVN)

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d00gster:

ok thanks

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Dibblah:

You'll also need to look at DiSEqCDevSwitch::ExecuteDiseqc

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overpointe:

How many of you have a printer on your mythtv box?

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overpointe:

I'm running mythdora 4, and I want to attatch a printer.

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chairman:

Is it possible to make a button on a remote control to do something else when you are in mythvideo?

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Speedy2:

overpointe: What kind of printer do you have?

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chairman:

for example I want "skip next" to be page down

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chairman:

in mythvideo

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overpointe:

I have an hp deskjet 3520, Speedy2.

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Speedy2:

overpointe: Does that have an Ethernet option? Network printers just plain rock.

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overpointe:

No, I'm just on usb, Speedy2.

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cesman:

CUPS just plain rock!

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fryfrog:

Anyone want to trade a GeForce 5200 w/ 128mb (2 vga, 1 svideo) for something similar with DVI?

[20:35:06]

fryfrog:

Or maybe a Radeon 9600XT with vga,dvi and one of those weird breakout box connectors?

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Speedy2:

Anyway to force eitscanner to run? Myth's not picking up enough EIT info

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eubey_laptop:

does anybody here know how to deal with overscan?

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fryfrog:

eubey_laptop: sure, just shrink the myth UI

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fryfrog:

or find a modeline that fits better

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eubey_laptop:

how do i find better modeline?

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fryfrog:

search internets for your tv and "linux" or "xorg" or something

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fryfrog:

or learn modelines and experiment

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eubey_laptop:

another question, what do i type in terminal to run the mythtv-backend?

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fryfrog:

depends on your distro and how you installed myth

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fryfrog:

on ubuntu, i use "/etc/init.d/mythbackend start"

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eubey_laptop:

kk

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fryfrog:

well, actually i type "/etc/init.d/myth<TAB><TAB> start"

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fryfrog:

for auto-complete :)

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chairman:

hmm

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chairman:

fryfrog: do you have any ideas for my problem?

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fryfrog:

i didn't see your problem

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fryfrog:

oh, mythvideo the bastard child

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fryfrog:

where button presses don't do the same thing

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chairman:

yes

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chairman:

I'm setting up a harmony remote

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eubey_laptop:

whats the best way to find out what size to shrink the mythtv ui to?

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fryfrog:

do it

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chairman:

and I want to make an activity that is named watch movies. and my plan was to send for example the remote key 1 and map it to F for getting the filter dialog up

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fryfrog:

10–30 pixels at a time

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fryfrog:

takes a little while, but eventually you'll get it in the right place

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eubey_laptop:

and i do this using the -geometry argument, or can i do it in the ui itself?

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fryfrog:

in the UI itself, but fuck me if i remember where

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fryfrog:

something gui/ui related

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chairman:

so the thing is that I want to write prog = mythvideo instead of mythtv in lircrc I think

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Speedy2:

eubey: Geoemtry can be issues off the command-line

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fryfrog:

chairman: no, i doubt that'll work

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fryfrog:

mythvideo is just a plugin for myth

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chairman:

fryfrog: yes

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fryfrog:

you probably want to poke around and see if you can find any keymaps for mythvideo

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fryfrog:

chairman: yes, as in you've tried it and it works?

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chairman:

I haved tried it yet. Just read around on the wiki and google and stuff and hasn't find it mentioned anywhere

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chairman:

just prog = mythtv and prog = mplayer

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chairman:

hmm

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eubey_laptop:

how long should mythfilldatabase take?

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fryfrog:

1 – 10 min or more

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fryfrog:

depending on where you get your data, how much data it has to get, etc

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eubey_laptop:

cause it looks like it is looping over and over again

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fryfrog:

as long as stuff is flying by your screen, you are fine

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eubey_laptop:

ok

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fryfrog:

it is, and it should

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kormoc:

eubey_laptop, it's getting multiple days worth of data, one day at a time

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eubey_laptop:

ok

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eubey_laptop:

for some reason the chanels are showing up in bad quality? is there a reqason for that?

[21:04:46]

fryfrog:

analog cable sucks?

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kormoc:

eubey_laptop, you'll need to explain a bit more then just bad quality

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eubey_laptop:

grainey, diagonal lines

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eubey_laptop:

didnt have problem with windows and media portal

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kormoc:

eubey_laptop, your drivers might not be setup entirely correctly

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eubey_laptop:

how do i fix that?

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fryfrog:

by fixing it

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kormoc:

by setting them up correctly?

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fryfrog:

you need to go to question asking school

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fryfrog:

lesson 1) we aren't psychic, you need to provide details

[21:06:39]

fryfrog:

"how do i get to the road"

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eubey_laptop:

haha

[21:06:49]

eubey_laptop:

runing 2 hauppage 150's

[21:06:53]

eubey_laptop:

installed ubuntu

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eubey_laptop:

isntalled mythtv

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eubey_laptop:

set up mythtv

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eubey_laptop:

scanned for chanels

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eubey_laptop:

run front end

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eubey_laptop:

bad wuality

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eubey_laptop:

thats where i am

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eubey_laptop:

on ubuntu

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xris:

eubey_laptop: scanning for channels with analog is a bad idea

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fryfrog:

are you using datadirect?

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kormoc:

eubey_laptop, return is not valid punctuation

[21:08:09]

eubey_laptop:

yeah

[21:08:12]

eubey_laptop:

im uzing zap2it

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kormoc:

so why are you scanning for channels?

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cesman:

ls

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cesman:

doh!

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par-joha:

cesman: good thing you weren't typing in your root password :)

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eubey_laptop:

so shouldn

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cesman:

:)

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eubey_laptop:

*shouldn't scan for channels? just grab from source?

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hatlevip:

just setup datadirect

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hatlevip:

then run mythfilldatabase i would think

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hatlevip:

i assume you are in north america

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stormy|:

I'm trying to get my .htaccess files for mythweb to work. I have the default .htaccess file pointing at my .htpasswd file... but when I try to login at the prompt... it just comes back up again

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my2keh:

anyone use an IR remote here?

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kormoc:

yes

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my2keh:

is it a harmony by chance?

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kormoc:

no

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kormoc:

if you wanted to know about harmony remotes, you should have said so the first time

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stormy|:

my2keh: it is possible to use harmony I believe

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stormy|:

someone mentioned to me on the e-mail list that I could use the Windows Media Center IR Reciever, and setup harmony to control the WM Reciever.

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my2keh:

kormoc>> it's only a good thing if it was, that's only a bonus though

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fryfrog:

stormy|: make sure you are using htdigest or htpasswd, which ever you've specified

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my2keh:

how did you get it setup?

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kormoc:

stormy|, read the apache error logs

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kormoc:

my2keh, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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fryfrog:

man, our momma cat just made so much throw up i can't believe it

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stormy|:

kormoc: where are they normally found/

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kormoc:

depends on the distro, but typically somewhere in /var/log/

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** cesman likes how easy it is to build packages from ATI driver source **

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cesman:

too bad that is about the only thing I like about it...

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stormy|:

[Sat Jul 21 16:31:22 2007] [error] [client 72.64.126.243] Digest: user `mythtv' in realm `MythTV' not found: /mythweb is what I get kormoc (I'm just using a default name at the moment... will change it later)

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eubey_laptop:

whats a good tv capture card that works with myth/linux that would get the digital channels?

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fryfrog:

digital channels from what, cable?

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stormy|:

eubey_laptop: you looking for HD?

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fryfrog:

an atsc/qam will usually get some HD and SD channels from cable, but only *unencrypted* ones. Firewire is the way that'll get you the most channels, but you'll be renting an STB from the cable co to do it

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eubey_laptop:

i have a stb, is there a way to use the two hauppauge 150's in conjunction with the stb?

[21:37:46]

eubey_laptop:

i went back in deleted all channels then added from zap2it or whatever and the quality is still bad

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subx:

jesus i just checked the RAM on my myth box and its hardly got any left

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subx:

i dont understand why

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stormy|:

subx: same here

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kormoc:

subx, how much is in buffers/cache?

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kormoc:

stormy|, sounds like you need to add the correct Realm entry for the htaccess file

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stormy|:

kormoc: fixed it :)

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kormoc:

eubey_laptop, you would need a second cable box and a ir blaster to control it, or a serial cable

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subx:

Total Mem: 1036360 Used: 1023172 Free: 13188 Shared: 0 Buffers: 2664 Cached 781260

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subx:

13188 Free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-S

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kormoc:

subx, so you have 781 megs of cached files in ram, they don't count as 'used'

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subx:

what are cached files?

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kormoc:

subx, linux caches files from the drive in ram, and when the memory is needed, it dumps the cache, hence the second line in free where it says +- buffers

[21:48:19]

kormoc:

subx, when you access a file off of the hard drive, it caches it in ram

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subx:

oh yes

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kormoc:

subx, so you actually have close to 800 megs of free ram

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subx:

i was really worried for a moment then

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subx:

thats good :)

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subx:

Considering im running Mythtv, Postfix, Bind, VSFTPD, NFS, Apache on the same box thats very good

[21:49:57]

subx:

Swap: 1951888 Used: 72 Free: 1951816

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subx:

-/+ buffers/cache: used: 239248 free: 797112

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subx:

when does linux make use of swap?

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kormoc:

when it needs ram for other things

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subx:

/dev/hda1 15G 1.3G 13G 9% /

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subx:

/dev/sda1 250G 4.8G 246G 2% /mnt/mythtv_video

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** kormoc wonders why subx is bothering to copy and paste his drive usage stuff **

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subx:

i thought u guys would find it interesting

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eubey_laptop:

if a dvb card is plugged into cable line, will it get higher quality channels than a regular hauppauge 150 does?

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subx:

?

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subx:

i havent a clue

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kormoc:

eubey_laptop, in the US, digital cable is almost always encrypted and the DVB card won't be able to capture it

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subx:

i wonder if windows vista would use 1.3G of disk space with all the same/similar stuff i have installed on my linux box?

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kormoc:

only way to know is to install it and see

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subx:

*cough* no thanks

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subx:

"Windows Vista requires 15GB of free space on Hard Drive"

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my2keh:

damn the ATI was much easier to setup

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my2keh:

ssshhh

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jedix:

I recorded something, but I want to delete the first few mins.. is there a way to do this?

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my2keh:

hmmm within myth itself? don't think so

[22:43:04]

jedix:

really?

[22:43:09]

my2keh:

you have a hauppage remote?

[22:43:12]

jedix:

but it does commercial flagging..

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my2keh:

I don't think so

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jedix:

no

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jedix:

I don't

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my2keh:

yes, it does comm flag

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jedix:

I have a keyboard right now.

[22:43:29]

achew22:

does anyone in here use mythnettv?

[22:43:41]

my2keh:

maybe if you transcode it let's you specify a start time?

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jedix:

it's only to cut the streamm

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my2keh:

hmmm no /dev/lirc0

[22:51:48]

Speedy2:

I'm assuming I have to manually set "commfree" in the channel table to indicate commercial free channels?

[22:52:35]

Tanthrix:

jedix: Bring up the OSD, then go into the cut window. You can cut out anything you like, just use perfect quality or whatever it is for the transcoding

[22:53:22]

jedix:

Tanthrix: how?

[22:53:41]

Tanthrix:

jedix: Play the file, press M to bring up the OSD, then click "Edit Recording"

[22:54:30]

jedix:

thanks!

[22:54:40]

Tanthrix:

You then move the slide bar around and delete after or before to cut out what you don't want. Then exit, press M again while playing, and begin transcoding at "High Quality" – your file will be replaced with the cut version

[22:54:45]

imperfect-:

Anyone got any advice on distro underneath Myth?

[22:54:49]

chuk:

I'm getting an error trying to compile myth. I get "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL"

[22:55:00]

Tanthrix:

High quality only re-encodes what it has to, so it's relatively lossless

[22:55:04]

imperfect-:

ubuntu just feels so bloated-- but that's always the way I've gone

[22:55:20]

chuk:

imperfect – try mythbuntu or mythdora

[22:55:40]

hads:

Whatever you are experienced with

[22:55:54]

jedix:

Tanthrix: I have high quality set to lossless

[22:55:57]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: I'm loving Arch Linux. No wizards or bloat, but a nice package manager and a great wiki for setting everything up.

[22:56:10]

hads:

Any distro is only really as "bloated" as the packages you install.

[22:56:15]

Tanthrix:

(I refer to it as gentoo without the silliness)

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Tanthrix:

I thought it might be scary to not have the wizards and everything, but it's oddly not. It's actually less overwhelming, because things only do what they do if you make them, so you don't get that feeling of mysterious things going on in the background

[22:57:53]

kash:

how do i set an ALSA device to be recorded from :o

[22:58:06]

Speedy2:

imperfect-: I like GoboLinux , but it requires you do be knowledgable about Linux.

[22:58:15]

kormoc:

kash, you don't

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kash:

i can't do ALSA:hw:0,1 ?

[22:59:08]

Tanthrix:

chuk: You might be missing ibglu1-mesa-dev

[22:59:11]

kormoc:

myth only supports recording for OSS

[22:59:13]

Tanthrix:

er, libglu1-mesa-dev

[22:59:19]

kash:

oh

[22:59:20]

kash:

ok

[22:59:42]

Tanthrix:

chuk: Or some other gl related package

[23:00:06]

Tanthrix:

chuk: Disabling gl support might do the trick. If you have an nvidia card it's not really useful these days anyway

[23:00:46]

** kormoc blinks **

[23:00:54]

kormoc:

not really useful with an nvidia card?

[23:00:57]

jedix:

Tanthrix: how do I encode it?

[23:01:01]

jedix:

err transcode

[23:01:13]

Tanthrix:

Because you can set Xv sync in nvidia-settings, so it's not needed to avoid tearing

[23:01:19]

jedix:

Tanthrix: nm

[23:01:34]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, opengl isn't just used for vsync

[23:01:45]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Oh really? What else then?

[23:02:00]

imperfect-:

GoboLinux is an alternative Linux distribution which redefines the entire filesystem hierarchy.

[23:02:00]

imperfect-:

In GoboLinux you don't need a package manager because the filesystem is the package manager: each program resides in its own directory, such as /Programs/Xorg/7.1/ and /Programs/KDE-Libs/3.5.3. Like it? Learn more...

[23:02:02]

Speedy2:

kormoc: Does your FE work better or worse with OpenGL? Right now I don't think I'm using OpenGL.

[23:02:05]

imperfect-:

you've got to be out of your mind. ;)

[23:02:14]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, gui effects mostly right now, and in the future the -vid branch might be moved in and then extra help rendering video and the like

[23:02:27]

imperfect-:

Is anyone here running an nvidia card with HDMI out?

[23:02:30]

Speedy2:

imperfect-: Everyone says that. YOu still have the legacy UNIX tree (/etc, /usr) it's still all there.

[23:02:48]

kormoc:

Speedy2, personally, I don't use the opengl effects, but it's no worse or better

[23:02:51]

jedix:

imperfect-: I am

[23:03:05]

Tanthrix:

Oh, gotcha. I was referring to getting rid of "--enable-opengl-vsync" which I think has caused his error for me in the past, not GL entirely

[23:03:05]

imperfect-:

jedix: which one are tyou using? what did you pay and where did you get it?

[23:03:25]

imperfect-:

jedix: and how bad does SDTV look coming out of it?

[23:03:27]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, his missing lib is required for any gl stuff, not just opengl vsync :P

[23:03:27]

Speedy2:

imperfect-: YOu can get a DVI to HDMI adaptor. Did you mean HDCP?

[23:03:46]

jedix:

imperfect-: haha, $250 about three years ago.. 6600GT

[23:03:47]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: I'm running DVI->HDMI out over 1080P on a $35 nvidia GF7300

[23:03:51]

Tanthrix:

Works great.

[23:04:01]

hads:

Damn spam backscatter

[23:04:01]

jedix:

imperfect-: yeah, I'm using DVI->HDMI

[23:04:07]

imperfect-:

Speedy2: well. I've got a plasma with a 15pin VGA going into it...

[23:04:14]

** hads grumbles **

[23:04:25]

imperfect-:

Speedy2: I'm not happy with 1024x768 and I don't think that's the max

[23:04:40]

imperfect-:

Speedy2 : SO I thought switching to HDMI might help — my PS3 using HDMI and it looks great

[23:04:43]

Speedy2:

imperfect-: You should be running at native. And you should use DVI (HDMI).

[23:04:44]

kormoc:

my gawd, "To maintain backwards compatibility with traditional Unix/Linux apps, there are symbolic links that mimic the Unix tree, such as "/usr/bin -> /System/Links/Executables", and "/sbin -> /System/Links/Executables" (this example shows that arbitrary differentiations between files of the same category were also removed)."

[23:05:03]

kormoc:

there's damn good reasons for the non-mixing of sbin and bin files...

[23:05:04]

Dagmar:

Yes, they *are* that retarded

[23:05:06]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127273 – That's what I'm using.

[23:05:08]

Speedy2:

kormoc: It's all cleanly done.

[23:05:19]

Dagmar:

Speedy2: No. It's newbly done.

[23:05:44]

jedix:

Tanthrix: I get jitters with OSD with a pretty decent system.. is there any way to stop this? (in hd)

[23:06:21]

Tanthrix:

jedix: Any number of bazillion things can cause that. Check the mailing list for the various solutions

[23:07:33]

imperfect-:

well.

[23:07:35]

imperfect-:

Hrm.

[23:07:40]

imperfect-:

I'm not looking for power

[23:08:19]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Grab that card then, and a dvi->hdmi convertor, and be on your way. Cheapest way to go.

[23:08:24]

Tanthrix:

Er, adapter cable.

[23:08:49]

imperfect-:

Aye

[23:08:52]

imperfect-:

but no sound

[23:08:59]

imperfect-:

If I get a card that supports HDCP

[23:09:10]

imperfect-:

(with a native HDMI coming out of the card) will that be an issue?

[23:09:14]

jedix:

Tanthrix: dev list?

[23:09:16]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: HDCP is not sound. HDCP is encryption. And it's not supported in linux

[23:09:44]

imperfect-:

imperfect- : i Know it's copy protection... but straight HDMI does sound ;)

[23:09:47]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: For the video cards with HDMI I think they just have a pass through cable that links to your sound card. Might be able to find a dvi->hdmi cable with that built in

[23:10:13]

Speedy2:

HDMI carries SPDIF for audio.

[23:10:14]

kormoc:

imperfect-, due to the nature of HDCP, it will never be supported in open source

[23:10:35]

imperfect-:

Tanthrix : So as far as the plasma is concered it's getting a normal HDMI signal

[23:11:14]

imperfect-:

All I really want is HDMI and XvMC

[23:11:26]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Does your TV not have a separate input for digital audio?

[23:11:28]

imperfect-:

I wonder if Frys would have this stuff in stock ;)

[23:11:38]

imperfect-:

Tanthrix : I dunno

[23:12:01]

imperfect-:

It carryed the PS3 audio over the wire

[23:12:27]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: Because you'll pay a lot more for a card with HDMI built in. A lot more.

[23:12:41]

Tanthrix:

And if you can just run the HDMI and an audio cable, then it doesn't matter.

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imperfect-:

Gotcha

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Speedy2:

imperfect-: http://www.lektropacks.com/pdf/cp268.pdf

[23:14:10]

Viking325i:

is anyone around that might be able to shed some light on my broken mythtv box? :(

[23:14:19]

Tanthrix:

Speedy2: That looks expensive.

[23:14:40]

Speedy2:

If he wants to carry it over one cable, he can.

[23:15:06]

Speedy2:

I'm having issues with my EPG being jacked up. Which tables do I clear in the database so it's all reset?

[23:15:10]

imperfect-:

Sure does

[23:15:33]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc=

[23:16:04]

Tanthrix:

Starts at double the cost, and for that first one, one guy says he coudln't get the SPDIF passthrough to work. By the way, what model TV do you have?

[23:17:16]

Tanthrix:

And are you using a reciever?

[23:17:44]

Dibblah:

I see a 'feature request without patch' in Trac's future...

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imperfect-:

I dont have a reciever

[23:18:40]

imperfect-:

I need to get one

[23:19:01]

imperfect-:

This is in my bedroom

[23:19:09]

Tanthrix:

What model TV?

[23:19:54]

imperfect-:

I'm gonna have to go look

[23:19:55]

imperfect-:

brb

[23:26:30]

imperfect-:

Ok

[23:26:31]

imperfect-:

back

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imperfect-:

;)

[23:26:39]

imperfect-:

It's a Samsnug HP-4253

[23:27:32]

** jedix can't find much **

[23:27:47]

imperfect-:

I spelled samsung wrong ;)

[23:29:08]

jedix:

I meant on my OSD jitters

[23:29:37]

jedix:

I guess it's not `jitters`

[23:29:54]

Tanthrix:

jedix: Oh, your OSD jitters? Using bob deinterlacing?

[23:30:01]

Tanthrix:

I thought you meant playback was jittering

[23:30:03]

jedix:

no, kernel

[23:30:17]

jedix:

I'm using xvmc

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Tanthrix:

Hrm. Try getting rid of that and see if it fixes it

[23:30:22]

imperfect-:

Tanthrix: Any ideas? I'm currently using the Onboard video of an Intel board

[23:30:34]

imperfect-:

Tanthrix : but I was thinking I'd prolly want XvMC if I do any high def

[23:31:47]

imperfect-:

Does that 7300 link you sent me do XvMC and is there a drawback to just using Analog 15pin?

[23:31:49]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: From the looks of your TV, it has analog audio in for DVI. So, you can use a dvi>hdmi adapter cable, then use a regular headphone jack to RCA adapter to do analog audio

[23:31:54]

Tanthrix:

No digital for the HDMI though

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jedix:

Tanthrix: nope :/

[23:32:41]

imperfect-:

Tanthrix: Yeah. =( I guess I got a ghetto tv

[23:32:43]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: It does XvMC. And as far as vga is concerned, it's simply a matter of the TV really.

[23:32:49]

Tanthrix:

No, it's normal. That's what mine has.

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imperfect-:

Tantrhix: What do you mean simply a matter of the DV?

[23:33:11]

imperfect-:

er TV

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Tanthrix:

Some screens I've noticed really are pretty indistinuisable between DVI and VGA the same resolution, while some aren't

[23:33:15]

imperfect-:

I mean this tv has a PC input

[23:33:23]

Tanthrix:

So, it all depends.

[23:33:25]

imperfect-:

Ah I see what you mean

[23:33:35]

jedix:

Tanthrix: it chops like crazy with anything onscreen

[23:33:41]

jedix:

but without it, it's perfect

[23:33:53]

jedix:

makes changing channels very crappy

[23:33:59]

Tanthrix:

Oh, that's an XvMC problem I think. One of my systems did that

[23:34:04]

Tanthrix:

Disable XvMC to check, and it should go away

[23:34:14]

imperfect-:

Tanthrix: tell me this.. could I get away with not having a nvidia card and watching HD content?

[23:34:20]

jedix:

without xvmc, I find everything chops :/

[23:34:25]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: You can't do digital audio in with PC anyway, so I'd say get that card and just do analog audio.

[23:34:39]

Tanthrix:

imperfect-: That depends much on the system. What are your specs?

[23:35:08]

imperfect-:

imperfect- : Intel Core 2, 1.86 (4MB Cache) 2 gig of ram

[23:35:31]

Tanthrix:

You would be fine for mpeg2 HD, even without XvMC.

[23:35:53]

imperfect-:

What other kind of HD is there?

[23:35:53]

Tanthrix:

But, your screen has a 1366x1024 resolution, so you would likely have problems with DVI

[23:35:55]

imperfect-:

264?

[23:36:10]

Tanthrix:

Aye, x264, but that's unheard of in the US as far as I know. Where do you hail from?

[23:36:20]

imperfect-:

Indiana, USA.

[23:36:26]

Tanthrix:

Er, wait.

[23:36:30]

imperfect-:

Yeah my TV comes up at 1024x768

[23:36:31]

Tanthrix:

Your set os 1024x768.

[23:36:39]

imperfect-:

Yeah.

[23:36:40]

Tanthrix:

So DVI would be fine.

[23:36:45]

imperfect-:

Does that suck?

[23:36:54]

Tanthrix:

It's pretty standard for plasma.

[23:36:57]

imperfect-:

Cuz i thought 720p was higher on the one side

[23:36:58]

Tanthrix:

I would say so though ;)

[23:37:08]

imperfect-:

sigh

[23:37:12]

imperfect-:

1200$ blown on a shitty TV

[23:37:15]

imperfect-:

I can't win ;)

[23:37:16]

Tanthrix:

720p is 1280x720p, and 1080P 1920x1080P

[23:37:28]

Tanthrix:

Ton of people think plasma looks better though

[23:37:32]

Tanthrix:

So don't fret too much.

[23:37:36]

imperfect-:

well

[23:37:38]

Tanthrix:

Can you still return it though?

[23:37:41]

imperfect-:

This was sold to me as 720p

[23:37:42]

imperfect-:

Nope

[23:37:44]

imperfect-:

I've had it months

[23:37:44]

Speedy2:

Hey all. Can you get a pre-roll in increments less than minutes?

[23:37:45]

imperfect-:

;)

[23:37:48]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see.

[23:37:56]

imperfect-:

I got a girlfriend

[23:37:57]

Tanthrix:

Because you can get a full 1080P LCD from costco right now for 999 :/

[23:38:00]

Speedy2:

start early in the recordings option is in increments of minutes.

[23:38:01]

imperfect-:

she made me get cable ;)

[23:38:11]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[23:38:22]

imperfect-:

Thing is

[23:38:23]

imperfect-:

It's all digital

[23:38:29]

imperfect-:

I've got one Pvr-150

[23:38:38]

imperfect-:

and a Air2PC card

[23:38:52]

imperfect-:

So I figure i'll record shit I can't stay up to watch like Daily show and Colbert

[23:39:04]

Tanthrix:

Got firewire out from your cable box?

[23:39:08]

imperfect-:

nope

[23:39:12]

imperfect-:

I could get it

[23:39:21]

imperfect-:

but I was told earlier that it's hit and miss on the un-encrypted stuff

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Tanthrix:

Well, if your box is supported, and it's unencrypted, it's somewhat reliable.

[23:39:49]

Tanthrix:

But whether or not it is encrypted is hit and miss.

[23:39:55]

imperfect-:

NOd

[23:40:05]

imperfect-:

last time I had this setup

[23:40:07]

imperfect-:

I had 3 tuners

[23:40:10]

Tanthrix:

Anyway, you currently do audio via a headphone jack to rca adapter cable?

[23:40:12]

imperfect-:

and It waSn't ever exactly perfect ;)

[23:40:27]

imperfect-:

Currently I dont have myth installed

[23:40:34]

imperfect-:

it's been 6 months or so since i have ;)

[23:40:59]

imperfect-:

The streamzap remote I got wasn't exactly perfect in terms of getting the keys mapped right

[23:41:03]

Tanthrix:

Oh, ok. Well, then order that card, a cheap DVI>HDMI adapter cable, and the headphone jack to RCA adapter cable, and you'll have everything you need.

[23:41:13]

imperfect-:

Always had to ssh in to get my main volume turned up load enough to hear

[23:41:14]

imperfect-:

etc etc

[23:41:27]

imperfect-:

oh

[23:41:28]

imperfect-:

I have that now

[23:41:35]

imperfect-:

The headphone -> RCA

[23:41:47]

imperfect-:

I've got two JBL speakers hooked up to a subwoofer from a 1997 set of sonys i had

[23:42:14]

imperfect-:

But I dont like the speakers on my plasm so I need to get the sound out of the TV somehow ;)

[23:42:34]

Tanthrix:

Gotcha.

[23:43:11]

Tanthrix:

Well, if you look on your set, next to the HDMI port labled "HDMI/DVI IN" there are two RCA jacks to be used for audio input specifically when using an hdmi adapter cable

[23:43:14]

imperfect-:

You really think I should just forget the analog VGA input on my tv?

[23:43:19]

imperfect-:

I've been using it and it doesn't look that bad imho

[23:43:35]

Tanthrix:

I thought you were the one saying you didn't like it ;)

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imperfect-:

No!

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Tanthrix:

I have no opinion on the matter; I thought you were just saying that you wanted to do DVI

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imperfect-:

I'm sorry.. I was asking for best practices ;)

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Tanthrix:

Well thanks, I've been rambling on pointlessly then ;)

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imperfect-:

nnonon

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imperfect-:

You've been _very_ helpful

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Tanthrix:

But, I'd say that yes, DVI is usually the best way to go, ASSUMING you don't have a weird resolution and can run native.

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imperfect-:

Alright

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imperfect-:

Well

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imperfect-:

I guess for now

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Tanthrix:

But, with the addendum, that while DVI is usually the best, sometimes you won't notice a difference between it and vga or component

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imperfect-:

I can just gop up there get myth running the 2 cards I do have installed (even though that air2pc thing is a joke)

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Tanthrix:

And sometimes, the latter two can be better. But generally that is the case for cheaper TVs that have issues, or weird resolutions. Yours is a nice set with a standard resolution, so I'd be very surprised if DVI looked worse

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imperfect-:

II proI should

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Tanthrix:

If you want a good ATSC/QAM card, check out the A180.

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Tanthrix:

Might even be able to get some digital cable channels if you're lucky.

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imperfect-:

heh

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imperfect-:

I wish comcast would just offer a card for HTPC's

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Tanthrix:

They don't need to, just need to make all their firewire unencrypted, as well as their standard QAM channels

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imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

If I have digital cable

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imperfect-:

I can still get analog from the wall, right?

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jedix:

Tanthrix: do you know the bug number for the xvmc osd bug?

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Tanthrix:

Assuming it's provided.

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Tanthrix:

No idea. Just know I had the same problem on my system

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jedix:

oh, hehe

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: That will be cut off in 2009 though, or whenever the damn date is, assuming you still have it now. (You can test by just plugging a regular old cable ready TV in)

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imperfect-:

I've had good luck with nvidia 6600 based cards

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imperfect-:

is that still ok to go with you do you think 7xxx is much better?

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, that's not true

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, the analog cutoff date is for over the air stuff, not analog cable

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: I think Dagmar mentioned to me that the 6xxx series had something broken. Don't remember what

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I've been told by my cable tech and others that they are discotinuing at the same time.

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Tanthrix:

discontinuing*

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Tanthrix:

Comcast, that is

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, that's their call, not a law, so it all depends on the cable co and the area (comcast is a franchise for example, so different areas do different things)

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imperfect-:

so wtf am i gonna do in 2009 ;)

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imperfect-:

I'll have a worthless box then ;)

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kormoc:

cable box + ir blaster or firewire

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that analog is on the way out in the next few years. In some places it's already gone for cable.

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imperfect-:

wait a sec

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imperfect-:

How does that work?

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, sure, but saying it's going to be gone for x user on a specific date/time isn't true and shouldn't be stated

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imperfect-:

I just have basically "one channel" coming in from the cable box?

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: You use an analog card (like the PVR-150) to record the output of the cable box, then use an irblaster to change channels

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Tanthrix:

Aye.

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kormoc:

imperfect-, yes, but you can use a ir blaster to change the channel

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kormoc:

imperfect-, and with firewire, the box becomes the capture card

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: It's an accurate enough statement that I won't lose any sleep over it.

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Speedy2:

You'll never see all channels via firewire.

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Tanthrix:

Though, I concede that you are technically right/ ;)

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, it's not tho. the difference between 2008 and 2011 is a long difference

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Speedy2:

All the companies are shitting themselves over content protection and security.

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kormoc:

Speedy2, depends on the area. in the seattle area with comcast, you do

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imperfect-:

anyone using a irblaster successfully?

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kormoc:

Speedy2, again, comcast is a franchise, and it's up to the local office to decide

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Speedy2:

kormoc: *All* channels come through via firewire without any encryption?

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: 2011? Analog cable will be gone way before that...like I said, it's already on the way out, and most cable companies plan to get rid of it around the same time as OTA

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kormoc:

imperfect-, I do with my satalite setup

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kormoc:

Speedy2, yes

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Speedy2:

kormoc: Lucky, lucky. Don't go around saying it too much

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, not true. Comcast in seattle is saing they're keeping it till 2011

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imperfect-:

Where do i get a irblaster?

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Tanthrix:

imperfect-: The ir blaster approach is pretty reliable from what I hear. Firewire less so, but it's improving, and some people have it rock solid.

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kormoc:

Speedy2, lots of people have mixed results, it's worth saying that it works for a lot of people bit ymmv

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Crazy – didn't know that,

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Tanthrix:

All I've heard is the contrary, but that's good to know I suppose.

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kormoc:

imperfect-, I bought the MCE USB ir blaster and remote combo, works perfectly

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

I've got an StreamZAP remote for USB controlling

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hads:

Yeah the MCE remote is extra cool now that lirc supports the transmitter.

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imperfect-:

I think I have a wire with wha tlooks to be a IR either reciever or a transmitter on the end

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imperfect-:

well it splits

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imperfect-:

one recieves I think the other transmits

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kormoc:

check out lirc's website and see if they support it

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