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Wednesday, July 18th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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** xris goes to look at that URL... oh, wait. I wrote that. :) **

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clever:

lol

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** clever wonders why xris still hasnt finished answering my question **

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xris:

clever: I missed whatever reply you had

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xris:

(and scrollback is gone)

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clever:

its still very recent in #mythtv

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clever:

thr MasterBackendIP and BackendIP are both ending in .60 when looking at the records for theP4

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clever:

which is the ip that host is set to

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xris:

ah. that'd explain it. guess I got my tabs confused (wasn't expecting user questions there).

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xris:

no clue. could try running `mythbackend -v all` and watching the output for more info

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clever:

i had explained in there that the conf is fine and it seems to be a problem in the programing

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clever:

im using mythbackend -v network,socket

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clever:

and when the bug finaly does ocur i get 5000 lines per second of spam

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clever:

so the cause is long gone

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clever:

and it takes several days to ocur so saving the log is painfull

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xris:

clever: huh? so what do you mean about the backend trying to connect to itself?

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clever:

yes it is

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xris:

is it that it suddenly thinks it's a slave backend?

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clever:

mythbacke 31597 mythtv 27u IPv4 25722461 TCP 192.168.1.60:55962->192.168.1.60:6543 (ESTABLISHED)

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clever:

mythbacke 31597 mythtv 28u IPv4 25722462 TCP 192.168.1.60:55961->192.168.1.60:6543 (ESTABLISHED)

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clever:

mythbacke 31597 mythtv 29u IPv4 25722463 TCP 192.168.1.60:6543->192.168.1.60:55961 (ESTABLISHED)

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clever:

mythbacke 31597 mythtv 30u IPv4 25722465 TCP 192.168.1.60:6543->192.168.1.60:55962 (ESTABLISHED)

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clever:

that bit from lsof shows it has 2 connections back into itself

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xris:

is it running a frontend?

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xris:

or running mythtranscode?

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xris:

or mythcommflag?

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clever:

theP4 host was running mythbackend mythwelcome and mythfrontend

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clever:

and its marked to never run comflag jobs

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hads:

That'd be pretty normal then

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clever:

the connections are ending on the same pid

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clever:

its a connection from pid 31597 to pid 31597

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xris:

ah

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xris:

no clue, then.

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clever:

not to one of the other(frontend/welcome) programs

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clever:

then it starts talking to itself

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clever:

007-07–16 20:08:21.294 write -> 30 '51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE[]:[]empty'

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clever:

2007-07–16 20:08:21.296 read <- 27 51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE[]:[]empty

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clever:

and im guessing it broadcasts that to all connected clients

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clever:

and again

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clever:

and again

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clever:

the mythwelcome's where getting spamed that msg constantly

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clever:

even after i shut down every single myth prog except the master backend

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clever:

it was still spaming itself on that connection to itself

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clever:

at one point i connected a custom client to the backend to see exactly what it was doing

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clever:

..._LIST_CHANGE[]:[]empty51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE[]:[]empty51 BACKEND_MES...

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clever:

same thing being sent to me over and over

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xris:

clever: submit a but report? sounds like you have enough info for something meaningful

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clever:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3739

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clever:

done last night

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hads:

Appears to connect to itself here and I don't have any problems.

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clever:

i also have had this bug http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/3728/nodatawriten

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clever:

once that ocurs nothing can finish the handshake on the mythtv protocol

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clever:

and all clients stop working

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hads:

I've seen you paste loads of weird logs here so it would seem that your setup is broken in general and it's not related to the backend connecting to itself.

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clever:

what parts of the settings could cause it?

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clever:

i can check them

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hads:

No idea

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TUplink_:

ok i have an interesting problem.... i have a nvidia card... with my HD tv hooked to it with a DVI to HDMI cable..... i have the screen up at 720x480 resolution.... SUCKS.... i got it to reconize 1920x1080 but when i switch it to it i only get the top 1/2 of the screen any ideas..... think its with the interlace........ how can i fix it?

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TUplink_:

#nvidia room said i should try here

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fryfrog:

TUplink_: First, you need to know your native resolution... that'd be the best to use

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fryfrog:

mine is 1280x720 (720p) so I found a modeline for that

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TUplink_:

yea i have..... made a modline then found i didnt needed

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fryfrog:

you also *probably* need to tell the nvidia to ignore EDID and such

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fryfrog:

most TVs i've seen report *crap* for their "supported" modes

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TUplink_:

um... ok....

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TUplink_:

edid dont report a 1280x720

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TUplink_:

720x480 like 4 difrent times and 1920x1080

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TUplink_:

so how do i confirm?

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fryfrog:

what do you mean?

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TUplink_:

um.....

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fryfrog:

you tell it to *ignore* edid for verification

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fryfrog:

then, setup a 720p mode

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fryfrog:

if it displays on your TV, you are good

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fryfrog:

but in theory, you should find the native resolution of your HDTV and use that

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fryfrog:

if it is 1080i, it might look better if you send it that kind of signal

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TUplink_:

yea where do i find it

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fryfrog:

google :)

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fryfrog:

i think when i googled for "native resolution <model>" I ended up at an AVS forum post

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TUplink_:

welll i have a ct27-hl its panasonic...... i did native resolution ct27-hl and came up with basicly nothing

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fryfrog:

maybe the manual?

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fryfrog:

or, do you know anything about the TV?

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fryfrog:

does it say anything about 1080i or 720p or what ever?

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fryfrog:

did it list the "pixel" dimensions?

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TUplink_:

it is 1080i on the front

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k-man_:

hello

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k-man_:

is there a description of how to add a capture card to mythtv somewhere (i'm talking about the mythbackend configuration)

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k-man_:

the card is installed and can receive and play

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fryfrog:

k-man_: its an integral part of the "mythtv-setup" (or mythsetup or myth-setup)

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k-man_:

yeah

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k-man_:

i know

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k-man_:

i followed that

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k-man_:

i can view it in mythtv

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k-man_:

but the data is not working

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k-man_:

for some reason

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TUplink_:

did you setup the linup?

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TUplink_:

lineup*

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k-man_:

linup?

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k-man_:

oh

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k-man_:

lineup? what do you mean?

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fryfrog:

a channel listing?

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TUplink_:

think its option 3 in setup

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fryfrog:

where it gets data from?

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kormoc:

k-man_, it's documented in the official documentation

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k-man_:

oh, yeah, i did thta

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TUplink_:

then you have to put the lineup to the 4th option.....

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TUplink_:

then you did mythfilldatabase

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k-man_:

yeah

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k-man_:

i did all that

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k-man_:

anyway

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k-man_:

i'm not at home now so I can't double check

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k-man_:

ill try again tonight

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k-man_:

thanks for your help :)

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TUplink_:

anyways fryfrog im going to bed i will be back tomarow maybe you can help me then thanks

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jedix:

I'm getting this a lot: writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

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jedix:

on the backend

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jedix:

with RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response. on the frontends

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jedix:

anyone know how to fix this?

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jedix:

seems to happen a lot to me :/

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clever:

jedix: sounds like the tcp connection might be crashing

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clever:

or something similar

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erpo:

It's been a while since I've checked in here. Is there a solution to the Zap2It problem yet?

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hads:

/topic

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erpo:

Thanks.

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jedix:

clever: it's the same box

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clever:

then its something else:S

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clever:

-v socket,network

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jedix:

on client?

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jedix:

front or backend?

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clever:

adding that to the front and backend will make it debug the network stuff more

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jedix:

ah

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clever:

youll see everything they send out and receive

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clever:

if you run the 2 in diff terminal windows you can tell which is from what

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clever:

and you should see what 1 sedns comming into the other

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keith4_:

is zap2it labs forum still down?

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keith4_:

i'd like to tell them about a channel change.... any other way to do that?

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my2keh:

do you guys use xvmc as your preffered MPEG2 DEcoder?

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jedix:

I don't

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jedix:

I found the libmpeg2 to be better

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jedix:

specifically for hd

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my2keh:

in terms of quality?

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jedix:

yeah

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my2keh:

or cpu usage?

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jedix:

smooth playback

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my2keh:

oh ok

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jedix:

cpu is about the same

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my2keh:

do you need anything special for libmpeg2?

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jedix:

I think just the lib installed

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jedix:

not sure, ubuntu just worked

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jedix:

hrm

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my2keh:

seems to work with debian as well

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my2keh:

unless it failed and went back to standard

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jedix:

I'm getting a lot of Program #165 not found in PAT!

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jedix:

I don't think it would list it if it wasn't able to use it

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my2keh:

ohhh ok slick

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my2keh:

just got a new APC UPS hehe

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my2keh:

have to hook up the apcupsd or whatever it's called

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jedix:

cool

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

you should have gotten a channel lock by now..

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my2keh:

you using dvb?

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

dvb-s

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jedix:

the set-top works fine

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jedix:

and it can scan for the channel

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my2keh:

sometimes i find I have to rescan the TP

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my2keh:

because depending on the provider, they may move channels from one TP to another

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jedix:

really?

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jedix:

well, I think it might be a switch thing

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Speedy2:

Use a tone switch

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Speedy2:

diseqc is so hit or miss.

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jedix:

I have a desicq

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jedix:

oh

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jedix:

I wonder if they sell those here

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Speedy2:

Tone limits you to two inputs

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jedix:

hrm

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Speedy2:

But that's usually good enough.

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Speedy2:

That is, two LNBs.

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jedix:

yeah

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jedix:

is there a debug for the switches on the backend?

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Speedy2:

Note: You can diseqc after tone switches, giving you serious expansion if you really need it.

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Speedy2:

jedix: Honestly, I debug tone issues with mytheatre.

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Speedy2:

jedix: Err, switch.

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jedix:

what's that?

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robbins876:

I was trying to get internet connection sharing working and i changed some things that I don't recall and now my internet is about 30% as fast as it was before I started messing with stuff, is that possible?

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Speedy2:

jedix: It's a program for Windows.

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jedix:

oh

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jedix:

I don't have windows

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robbins876:

Anyone know much about linux networking stuff?

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jedix:

a little.

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robbins876:

Any idea what i can do to increase my speeds?

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jedix:

linux to linux?

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jedix:

or what?

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jedix:

and what are you seeing?

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robbins876:

well, i was trying to set up internet connection sharing

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jedix:

what's your network layout?

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robbins876:

and i changed some stuff from a tut i read online

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robbins876:

and now my internet has dropped from about 2.9MB/sec to around 300K

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jedix:

the linux box should not be a botlekneck in such a setup

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robbins876:

no, the problem is the linux system

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robbins876:

i could care lessa bout the other system

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jedix:

waht kind of speeds do you get locally from the linux box?

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robbins876:

uhh, not sure even how to test that

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jedix:

something simple would do

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jedix:

wget <insert linux iso here>

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jedix:

wait

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jedix:

2.9MB/s

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jedix:

?

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jedix:

or 2.9Mb/s?

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jedix:

2.9MB is one hell of a connection

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robbins876:

megabyte

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robbins876:

like a 16megabit connection

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jedix:

jesus christ

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jedix:

that would be ~23Mbit

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robbins876:

whatever

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jedix:

what is this box?

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robbins876:

i usually get that, sometimes higher

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jedix:

nice.

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robbins876:

but i can't even squeak out 1MB right now

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robbins876:

i'm going to install Fedora 7 in a couple of days, hopefully that fixes this bull shit

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jedix:

well, test the speed from the linux box to the net

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jedix:

then test from the internal computer to the linux box

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jedix:

then throughput

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jedix:

Speedy2: still there?

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jedix:

I have these two switches hooked up to the desicq switch

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jedix:

I'm not sure if they are tone or what

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jedix:

they have 3 input, two for lnb's and one for cable/ota

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jedix:

but four out

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onewheelskyward:

Assuming I have lirc_sir installed correctly, and my irblaster.info blaster is plugged into the proper serial port, what is the command I can run to test it?

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Speedy2:

jedix: Yes, I'm here

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Urden:

sphery, troubles! that hauppague wintv pvr-150 dosent have coax-in :(

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jedix:

Speedy2: did you see what I said about the switch I have

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jedix:

I think it's a switch

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jedix:

it's an eagle aspen dtv4x3

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dr_willis:

I can second that.. :) mine dosent have a coax in. .. just a .. err.. composite in? i think. :)

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jedix:

says it's a 3x4 multi-switch

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Urden:

dr_willis, what to do?

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Urden:

i only have coax out

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dr_willis:

Urden, no idea. :) cant recall seeing much stuf fwith coax outs...

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dr_willis:

other then cables that go in to tv's with all the channels on them.

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Urden:

yeah

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Urden:

thats what i've got

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dr_willis:

then ya need to hook it to a tuner i guess.. not just a 'video in' jack of some type.

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Urden:

hmm

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Urden:

thats shitty

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dr_willis:

you expect to plug a coax with all the channels onit into a video in conector and get some specific channel? :)

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jedix:

vcrs used to ahve them

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Urden:

no

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dr_willis:

vcr has the tuner. as does my PVR.

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Urden:

the card is supposed to have a tuner

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dr_willis:

a vcr would work..if ya had a spare.

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dr_willis:

Urden, the Hauppage 150 has a Tv tuner. on its coax in.

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dr_willis:

and a svideo in, and a compsite in – i think...

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Urden:

when i looked at it, it said it only had composite in

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dr_willis:

looked at the docs/ads? or back of the card?

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

is anyone else getting a seg fault on frontend when going to Manage Recordings – Schedule Recordings – Programme Guide – select a recording then – select Record only this showing, and on ok that then the frontend seg faults...this happened on recent svn 13971, but someone else said they had that happen on a slightly earlier revision

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Urden:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html

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dr_willis:

Its a tv tuner card, that has svideo in as well. and a composite in. and looking at mine.. one jack for the Remote thing.. and some other jack.. I think thats for the IRblaster.

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planktonboy:

was looking for some info on it in gossamer threads, but nothing recently although have been references a while back

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dr_willis:

Urden, it has a tv tuner.. its a tv tuner card. :)

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dr_willis:

You plug the coax in to the coax conector.

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planktonboy:

if anyone has a recent svn revision installed could they check that

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Urden:

it just dosent ay it actually has a coax connector

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dr_willis:

no idea there.. i dont write the copy. :()

[03:11:09]

Urden:

hmm

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dr_willis:

the hauupage pvt 150 has the conectorss i just mentioned.. I got one in this machine.

[03:11:34]

dr_willis:

Coax for the tuner, SVideo, RCA, and 2 little ports for the remote tools.

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dr_willis:

The higher end cards with 2 tuners has 2 coax jacks.

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Urden:

http://www.hauppauge.com/images/pvr150-250_ep_bg.jpg is that top port the coax?

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dr_willis:

yes

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dr_willis:

thats a coax conectyor.

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dr_willis:

or co-ax or however ya call it.

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Urden:

it does look like one

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Urden:

must be

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dr_willis:

i wonder if any of the cards can get 2 channels off one coax conector.

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onewheelskyward:

I think the PVR-500 does that.

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hads:

Yeah, I think so.

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onewheelskyward:

yep, one TV connector, two tuners.

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hads:

Internal splitter

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onewheelskyward:

Black majick

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jedix:

made fo blue magic smoke

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dr_willis:

yea. connecting 2 would be a bit of a bother.

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dr_willis:

but i can see how it would be nice if ya had 2 different sources.

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planktonboy:

anyway time for bed

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planktonboy:

cheers all

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Tanthrix:

Harry Potter was leaked, which means I can't read slashdot for the next week.

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opello:

the book?

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jedix:

meh, I don't read /. anymore

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Tanthrix:

Damn Rowling and her horrendous, cliche laden, derivative writing. Literary garbage that I can't wait to read.

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Tanthrix:

opello: Aye – the whole thing.

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dr_willis:

Tanthrix, i hear theres a cool Orgy scene. :)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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jedix:

ascii porn?

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Tanthrix:

I clicked on one link and then quickly adverted my eyes – basically a jpg of all the major happenings in the book

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dr_willis:

Oh the Humanity of it all!

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dr_willis:

Oh well.. when the book comes out.. it will keep me enterained for a few hrs.

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jedix:

no spoiler warning?

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dr_willis:

Harry Marries Dumbledore!

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Tanthrix:

jedix: There was. I clicked it anyway out of impulse

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dr_willis:

:)

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jedix:

how long are these books?

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dr_willis:

jedix, hmm.. 400–500 pages lately. getting longer as the series grew

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dr_willis:

I think.

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Tanthrix:

More like 750 lately

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Tanthrix:

For the US versions anyway

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dr_willis:

Could be im just gettting the large print versions. :)

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opello:

784 i thought the wikipedia said

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dr_willis:

at least she dident split the books up into 3 books per book.. :) like ive seen so many others do.

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dr_willis:

some of the junk ive read.. heh..

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dr_willis:

Heck wasent Stephen King selling some book. a chapter at a time?

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jedix:

what size of a book are you talking for 750?

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jedix:

paperback?

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Tanthrix:

Hardcover, US

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Tanthrix:

And opello is right, it's 784 for the most recent one.

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dr_willis:

that might take me more then 1 shift at work. :)

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Tanthrix:

I'll be listening to the audiobook, so it will take me at least 25 hours

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dr_willis:

ick

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dr_willis:

I could read the whole series in that time. :)

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Tanthrix:

It's about the quality, not the quanitity ;)

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opello:

lol

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dr_willis:

the few audiobooks ive heard.. seem to lack quality

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dr_willis:

"read by Earl James Jones!" :)

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opello:

unless patrick stewart is reading

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jedix:

speed up the audio

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dr_willis:

jedix, i do that with dvd's :)

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Tanthrix:

I've enjoyed the HP ones very much – read by Jim Dale for the US version

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Tanthrix:

Only thing that helps me get to sleep at night

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dr_willis:

So thats where the Captian has gotten!

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dr_willis:

:)

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dr_willis:

"Where are they now" doing voice acting bit parts!

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opello:

heh

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jedix:

there's a 20-fixes?

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opello:

nah he read a bunch of the star trek books

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dr_willis:

actually that 'data' guy was a musician i recall. :)

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dr_willis:

but as for the rest.. seen them in a few bit parts on Stargate SG1 ever so often..

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dr_willis:

and LifeTime Movies

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opello:

heh

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Tanthrix:

Brent Spiner is hardly a musician

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dr_willis:

Lifetime movies = the Mondern Day LoveBoat. where stars go to fade away

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dr_willis:

Tanthrix, if MilliVanilli and Others count.. so does he. :)

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dr_willis:

"Lenard Nemoy – sings the story of Billbo Baggins!'

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dr_willis:

On Youtube!

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Tanthrix:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Brent_Spiner

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dr_willis:

Thats such a scary video clip

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Tanthrix:

He played the decapitated borg head on Voyager! How did I not see that?

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dr_willis:

Voyager = A Soap Opera Discuised as a Sci-Fi show.. :)

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dr_willis:

oh wait – that was DS9

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jedix:

no, it was both.

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Tanthrix:

How dare you compare Voyager to DS9!

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dr_willis:

I cant recall seeing Voyager very much. seemed like every show was Spouting Political Ramblings..

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Tanthrix:

(Though, I liked them all except for Enterprise)

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dr_willis:

"we cant use a weapon of mass destruction!"

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clever:

lol

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dr_willis:

I did watch all of the Enterprise series.. it was a bit... lacking in ways..

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dr_willis:

then it got on its big 'story line'

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jedix:

like sequencial story?

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dr_willis:

then it just ended.. :) dident it.

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Tanthrix:

And started to suck big time.

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dr_willis:

The Dog was the Best Actor.

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Tanthrix:

I hate story arcs

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jedix:

back the the future one was alright

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jedix:

because it lasted about 10 min

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dr_willis:

"All the plot of a scooby doo epsoide, only with worse acting!"

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Tanthrix:

People say long story arcs are the mark of a good series, but I disagree. Ends up becoming one long cliff hanger. And I swear, story arcs inherently imply silly soap opera esqe drama.

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jedix:

and scooby doesn't get high

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jedix:

what fixes are in 20-fixes?

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dr_willis:

Tanthrix, even Dr Who. wasent as bad as some of these today

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dr_willis:

Tanthrix, then ya got the 'lets have 3 seperate stories going Per eposiode" feature......

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jedix:

also, the new dr who rocks.

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dr_willis:

http://stage6.divx.com/Doctor-Who-Classic/vid . . . th-Sontarans

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dr_willis:

downloading some of the OLD Dr whos to watch at work. :)

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jedix:

I work from home

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dr_willis:

I goof at at work.. and work at home...

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dr_willis:

got to go to work to get some rest

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dr_willis:

:)

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jedix:

hehe

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juski:

wow. wonder what this is all about then.. "Drama series about people all over the world dealing with the newly-discovered superpowers they possess. "

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xris:

heh

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juski:

gonna be shown in HD in the UK at last! too bad I've not a) got anything to receive it and b) play it

[05:33:25]

xris:

:(

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xris:

dunno. I've been really into british tv these days... dr who, life on mars, etc.

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juski:

I think I might have to splurge on a dvb-s tuner

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juski:

wonder how well transcoding h.264 to mpeg2 HD works. might be worthwhile for me since we never watch livetv

[05:35:14]

juski:

then I can just get a mac mini

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juski:

doh. not got a hd display. this could be expensive

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xris:

myth and h.264 don't get along all that well

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hads:

I got into life on mars

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hads:

Oh, and I didn't know there was a season two yet :)

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juski:

watched a couple of episodes. keep forgetting to set it to record at any time

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juski:

being repeated on bbc4 at the mo

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Speedy2:

It would be nice if one could semi-real-time decode h.264 to JPEG and leave the audio as MP3/MP4

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Speedy2:

Transcode to MJPEG

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xris:

hads: yeah.. annoying being stuck with bbc america

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xris:

Speedy2: nothing wrong with h.264 video (I transcode most of my stuff to h.264). just need ffmpeg to support it better (myth uses ffmpeg libs)

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hads:

Yeah, won't be on here for a while yet either

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Speedy2:

xris: x.264 HD? Don't you need some dual-core type machine to decode it?

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hads:

Would be cool to get some more BBC stuff over here

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xris:

Speedy2: that may be... my mythbox can't even do plain mpeg2 HD.

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Speedy2:

xris: I wonder how much worse it would be to transcode to MJPEG.

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xris:

hads: definitely. there were rumors of bbc webcasting a lot of their stuff, but they haven't done it yet. and probably wouldn't let us americans see it, anyway.

[05:42:35]

Speedy2:

size wise.

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xris:

Speedy2: size has nothing to do with it. it's all about quality.

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Speedy2:

xris: MJPEG should be pretty high qualtiy.

[05:43:32]

Speedy2:

quality.

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Speedy2:

If you encode raw data in MJPEG, it's better looking than MPEG2 and usually x264.

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xris:

Speedy2: it's about quality vs bitrate

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xris:

you trade one in for the other

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xris:

mjpeg might look great at high bitrates, but crap at low bitrates

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Speedy2:

I know, I work in the video field :)

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xris:

Speedy2: then you can't talk about mjpeg being better than h.264 in quality. it's all about the tradeoff

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hads:

xris: We get reasonable amount of BBC stuff here on TV1 (goverment funded channel) and Sky but not enough :)

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Speedy2:

Well, if you're storing stuff on your HDD, you might be able to afford the space. Obviously for a CATV or Sat provider bandwidth is the biggest issue.

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xris:

Speedy2: but transcoding anything will lower the quality. you wouldn't want to transcode to a larger file format

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Speedy2:

xris: Well, the issue is one of decoding HD/x.264 real-time.

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xris:

Speedy2: dual core proc is cheap these days

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Urden:

does anyone know if the hauppague wintv pvr-150 actually has a real coaxial input that i can screw my cable directly into?

[05:53:11]

Speedy2:

Urden: What else would it have?

[05:58:33]

Urden:

svideo/composite

[05:58:37]

Urden:

like their site says

[06:00:57]

Urden:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hauppauge_Computer_Works <<-- that also says that it only has svideo and composite in

[06:01:07]

Urden:

i just wanna make sure i buy the right thing

[06:03:38]

xris:

Urden: I have a 150 MCE (and have seen plenty of non-mce versions) that has an rf connector on it

[06:05:38]

onewheelskyward:

Urden: It does...if you want to tune to the cable box's channel, just set it for 3.

[06:05:40]

Urden:

ok

[06:05:48]

onewheelskyward:

I'd trust the product page before I trusted WikiPedia.

[06:05:53]

Urden:

i dont have a cable box

[06:06:22]

onewheelskyward:

Aah, that's ok too. The tuner will pull anything that's not scrambled.

[06:06:30]

Urden:

yeah...the product page was the first place i looked, and it didnt explicitly state that it had a coax input so i was nervous

[06:06:41]

Urden:

ok

[06:06:41]

** Urden orders **

[06:07:52]

onewheelskyward:

The 'Tuner' column and the 'Analogue' column on the wikipedia page are what confirms the tuner-ness of the 150.

[06:07:55]

xris:

Urden: composite is a coax connector.

[06:08:08]

xris:

you mean "rf connector" for the screw-in type coax connector

[06:08:31]

onewheelskyward:

Enjoy the new card. :)

[06:09:05]

Urden:

xris, yeah sorry about that

[06:09:11]

Urden:

i thought the screw in kind was coax

[06:09:16]

xris:

it is

[06:09:27]

xris:

coax just refers to having the shielding wrapped around the data wire, rather than side by side

[06:09:30]

Urden:

hmm

[06:09:36]

Urden:

ohhh ok

[06:09:51]

xris:

i.e. refers to the wire, not the connector

[06:09:59]

Urden:

yeah

[06:10:10]

onewheelskyward:

Connectors have all kinds of fun names.

[06:10:19]

Urden:

lol yeah

[06:10:21]

xris:

the signal going over the wire is "rf" (radio frequency) vs composite vs svideo, etc.

[06:14:16]

Urden:

im a bit confused again

[06:14:43]

Urden:

so youre saying that the signal coming from my cable company is an rf signal

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Urden:

and its coming in on a composite cable, but with a coaxial connector like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_connector ?

[06:16:10]

Speedy2:

yes

[06:16:46]

Speedy2:

It's not composite per-se, it's a coaxial cable

[06:17:51]

xris:

Urden: no, the signal from the cable company is coming in over some whatever-standard-it-is coaxial cable in some form of radio frequency standard

[06:17:59]

xris:

composite is a different kind of signal... not rf

[06:18:09]

Urden:

so the yellow port that says "composite" on the back of the card is for RCA-style connectors, and the "TV" port is for rf-style connectors

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xris:

yeah

[06:18:28]

Urden:

ok

[06:18:32]

xris:

"composite" refers to the signal coming over the wire

[06:18:50]

Speedy2:

Composite == chroma and luma signals summed together in one cable

[06:18:55]

Urden:

i wish the site would just say that it has a rf connector too

[06:19:13]

Speedy2:

s-video == seperate chroma and luma on the cable

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xris:

Urden: probably has a thing for "analog cable connector" listed in the text somewhere

[06:19:22]

Urden:

maybe

[06:19:53]

Urden:

u suppose some cable boxes output on composite and others on svideo

[06:20:00]

Urden:

i

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xris:

or both

[06:20:06]

Urden:

yeah

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xris:

or rf on channel 3 or 4, for old tvs with no composite input

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Urden:

hehe i remember having a tv like that

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juski:

Speedy2: mjpeg is teh suck

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juski:

better than mpeg2 though I'll grant you that

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Urden:

xris, whats the main diff between an mce version of the 150 and a non mce version?

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pat_:

you get a remote with the non mce version, iirc

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juski:

Urden: subtle differences. some come with MCE remote packages, other MCE packs only come with the card

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pat_:

you don't with the mce version

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juski:

there are 2 MCE versions

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juski:

easiest way to figure it is by the price

[06:24:24]

juski:

cheapest is the card by itself. no remote

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Urden:

ok

[06:24:46]

juski:

in the middle is the non-MCE card with a Hauppauge remote & receiver/blaster

[06:25:07]

juski:

then at the top there's another MCE pack with the MCE remote package

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Urden:

is the remote that comes with it compatible with the mythtv remote plugin?

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juski:

mythtv doesn't have a remote plugin

[06:25:38]

juski:

mythtv uses lirc and lirc supports the mce & hauppauge remotes

[06:25:47]

Urden:

ohh ok

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xris:

Urden: main difference is that the mce has RCA style audio input connectors (for use with svideo/composite), but the retail card uses a headphone-style plug

[06:27:06]

Urden:

hmm

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juski:

one version also has an FM tuner but mythtv can't use that. besides, if you used the FM tuner you can't use the TV tuner at the same time anyway

[06:27:32]

Urden:

ok

[06:27:38]

Urden:

so fm verson is useless

[06:27:50]

Urden:

or not extra useful

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juski:

but FM radio?! no point, when mythmusic gets Eskil'

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juski:

Eskil's shoutcast patch committed :)

[06:30:08]

** juski laughs at the people talking about capture HDTV over HDMI on the mailing list **

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pat_:

since I haven't been keeping up with development, can we pull two shows from the same channel off the one tuner at once (ie, pre-roll overlapping with post-roll of another show?)

[06:30:28]

juski:

"A dual Opteron 252 (2.6Ghz) took 80% cpu power to capture 1080i60

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pat_:

dvb-t

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juski:

pat_: in the multirec branch, yes

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pat_:

woot

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pat_:

will that make it to trunk do you think?

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juski:

it's in its own branch & isn't nearly ready yet

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pat_:

aah, so 0.21 not so likely, 0.22 likely

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pat_:

ok

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juski:

it's getting a _lot_ of attention, but I'd not hold your breath for 0.21

[06:32:08]

juski:

infact I wouldn't hold your breath for 0.21 anyway :-P

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pat_:

oh, I'm not

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pat_:

everything is set up fine

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pat_:

and the wife approval factor is very high

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juski:

same here

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Urden:

wife approval is important

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juski:

it's really funny seeing people going "like OMG, there's not been a new release for like ummm 6 months! OMG!"

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pat_:

no futzing till the new server, and with it new versions of software (so I can keep the old one running simultaneously)

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pat_:

don't think I'll upgrade to hdtv until my current widescreen tv dies, and being a crt that could be years

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|iuaudio|:

hey all

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juski:

heh

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|iuaudio|:

does anyone have an hdhomerun?

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Speedy2:

Well, MythWeb has high awesomeness factor.

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juski:

Speedy2: yeah especially in SVN right now

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xris:

Speedy2: thanks. :)

[06:40:31]

Speedy2:

xris: You maintain MythWeb? Well it fricking rocks the house.

[06:41:02]

Speedy2:

I did have to apply a diff to fix an error with it and lighttpd.

[06:41:08]

Speedy2:

Dunno if that's fixed in current svn or not.

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xris:

Speedy2: no one has submitted me much stuff for lightty

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xris:

I still want a .conf file for it like the one for apache in svn

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juski:

xris: changer-ooed some stuff in mythweather

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Speedy2:

xris: I have both

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juski:

I'll get around to doing all the images in every theme one day

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Speedy2:

xris: How do you want it?

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xris:

Speedy2: ticket is best.

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Speedy2:

xris: Ok

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Speedy2:

Let me file one for lighttpd right now

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xris:

the main issue I know of with lighttpd is that it doesn't play well with the mod_env type stuff from apache

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Speedy2:

xris: I need to re-do my myth setup, but as of right now, all the pages in mythweb come up and it's quite fast.

[06:49:16]

xris:

cool

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xris:

turning on mod_deflate in apache makes a HUGE difference

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xris:

I'll eventually be fixing a lot of mythweb stuff for speed if this tv listings stuff ever slows down.

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Speedy2:

xris: I'm just providing the patch in this URL : http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4138309. . . . c7027402bc62

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xris:

Speedy2: just upload it to the ticket

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Speedy2:

xris: Doing so now.

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Speedy2:

xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3750

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xris:

um, that should have been fixed months ago

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Speedy2:

xris: I'm using SVN rev 12681 . If so, sorry for the confusion.

[07:00:41]

xris:

yeah, you're about 1300 commits behind.

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Speedy2:

xris: Sorry about that :/

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xris:

np

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Speedy2:

I'll get you the lighttpd.conf I'm using after I clean it up a bit

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xris:

I'm mainly looking for a drop-in conf file to set lighttpd up for mythweb. someone sent me a "full" lighttpd config for it, but I want something with just the mythweb-specific stuff so that it can be "included" via the master cnf

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Speedy2:

xris: Ok, I'll diff mine against the generic one I used from lighttpd package.

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xris:

take a look at the apache one for ideas, if you want

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Speedy2:

Gotcha.

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juski:

hmm. here's an idea. new theme with a big long button for each menu item, but items that have submenus, put an arrow on top to indicate such :)

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geemark:

I am going to reinstall my MythTV box soon, but how do I backup my recordings and settings? can I simply dump the mysql database and leave the mpeg2 files be, and cross my fingers? I may be moving from 0.21 to 0.20 in the process

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hads:

0.21 doesn't exist yet

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Tanthrix:

geemark: That's correct. There are instructions in the howto for dumping the db.

[09:03:48]

hads:

If you are downgrading from trunk to 0.20 then the schema would have changed though.

[09:03:52]

Tanthrix:

geemark: No finger crossing required – really no chance of anything going wrong as long as you don't delete any of the mpeg2 files manually.

[09:05:07]

geemark:

hads: well "svn" then :P

[09:05:37]

Tanthrix:

Never gone backwards before. I would definately do some finger crossing for that ;)

[09:05:55]

hads:

geemark: That would also require a qualifier such as 'trunk' – all of it is 'svn' :)

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geemark:

hads: let's not split hairs – we seem to be on the same page anyway

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geemark:

but anyway – if I stick with the same version (mythtv svn trunk, HEAD revision :P), there should be no problems with a simply mysqldump?

[09:08:10]

juski:

gcc is quite the pedant, I hear, so no harm in being as bad IMHO

[09:08:30]

juski:

geemark: see the wiki

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Tanthrix:

geemark: Highly unlikely.

[09:09:05]

Tanthrix:

geemark: Even if something went horribly wrong changing versions, as long as you have a db backup you can easily revert.

[09:09:34]

geemark:

righto, thanks

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juski:

Tanthrix: unless the new version spontaneously expires all your recordings :-P

[09:38:54]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, this is true.

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Tanthrix:

Hopefully that doesn't happen to frequently ;)

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GodSyn_:

help : mythbackend is unable to connect to mysql. I've checked (and rechecked) that the user is there, and is gtanted permissions to the needed database. any clue what may be wrong? (asise from user error, we already know that)

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GodSyn_:

user mythtv has all privileges on database mythconverg.

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doc__:

hi there

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GodSyn_:

hi doc

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GodSyn_:

seems to be jsut you and me in here.

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GodSyn_:

*just

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juski:

GodSyn_: tried logging into the mysql server as that user?

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GodSyn_:

remote@synserv:~$ mysql -u mythtv -p works fine.

[09:53:49]

GodSyn_:

made sure the password I used matched that of the config..

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anykey_:

GodSyn_: does the host match? (-h)

[09:54:22]

GodSyn_:

checking

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GodSyn_:

DBHostName=localhost , yes.

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anykey_:

hm, did you install the mysql driver for qt?

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GodSyn_:

libqt3-mt-mysql, installed.

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juski:

on ubuntu by any chance?

[09:57:17]

GodSyn_:

yap, noobumtu.

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GodSyn_:

i'm starting to gather that is the equivalent of "throw things at me!"...

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juski:

how come I always manage to guess the distro?

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Speedy2:

Hrm, just installed -0.20-svn, r14000 ; I keep getting stuttering and buffer overflows. CPU utilization is < 15%

[09:58:42]

Speedy2:

audio buffer overflows.

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anykey_:

GodSyn_: are you absolutly sure the passwords match?

[10:00:03]

GodSyn_:

kinda hard to misstype "1", ya. I dumbed it down for testing.

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anykey_:

ah ok

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anykey_:

GodSyn_: well, do you have a space at the end or so? ;)

[10:05:00]

GodSyn_:

nope :)

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GodSyn_:

thik i found the issue.. if so, i'll let you know, brb.

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TUplink_:

have we got work about directdata... zap2it?

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juski:

TUplink_: see the topic

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TUplink_:

k

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juski:

!topic

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TUplink_:

hehe i think easytvdata is down :P

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TUplink_:

wont do a DNS lookup on it

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TUplink_:

yup its not doing DNS lookup

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pat_:

it works for me

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TUplink_:

im using DNS server 4.2.2.2 and 4.2.2.3

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juski:

blame your ISP then. works at home & at work

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TUplink_:

even NSLOOKUP fails

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TUplink_:

whaty is your DSN servers?

[10:21:04]

pat_:

http://easytvdata.org/

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pat_:

erg

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pat_:

http://networking.ringofsaturn.com/Tools/dig.php

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pat_:

that'll tell you all you'll ever need to know

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juski:

huh?

[10:22:25]

juski:

all I'll ever want to know? sure?

[10:22:40]

pat_:

about the domain and IP address and authoritive nameservers for easytvdata

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TUplink_:

well i got it up now

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laga:

re

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laga:

i'd like to put a second VGA card in this box, but i only have one PEG slot. do those new nvidia pci express cards work in a pci express x1 slot?

[11:17:53]

Dibblah:

laga: They won't physically fit.

[11:18:50]

Dibblah:

PCIe x1 is much shorter than PCIe x16.

[11:19:13]

laga:

hum

[11:19:18]

Dibblah:

It *may* be possible to fix with a jigsaw and a fine blade.

[11:19:34]

laga:

right. i just took a closer look. i assumed it might be possible to plug it in nevertheless

[11:19:53]

Dibblah:

But that depends on if the bridges on both sides will negotiate down.

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laga:

:(

[11:20:50]

Dibblah:

... Not guaranteed. If it works, tell us :)

[11:20:51]

laga:

AFAIK only matrox makes pci x1 VGA cards

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laga:

heh

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Beirdo:

damn, mornings suck

[12:05:16]

laga:

get a sane time zone

[12:05:18]

laga:

:P

[12:05:38]

Beirdo:

bah, that still wouldn't change that I have a 9am interview

[12:06:10]

laga:

hum

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laga:

i hope it'll go well :)

[12:06:17]

Beirdo:

and that I had to get up at 5am to get here as my wife starts work at 7am

[12:06:29]

Beirdo:

I hope so too...

[12:06:49]

Beirdo:

There isn't enough caffeine in the world to make me alert on 4h sleep

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laga:

go to bed earlier? :)

[12:07:17]

Beirdo:

I tried

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Beirdo:

the wife wouldn't let me sleep. Grrr.

[12:07:41]

** laga blinks **

[12:07:55]

Beirdo:

yeah well, such is life :)

[12:07:59]

juski:

yeah I hate it when Mrs J keeps me awake :D

[12:08:16]

juski:

makes me all good natured & nice in the morning

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juski:

for all of about 5 minutes

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Beirdo:

when it means having an interview on 4h sleep, it sure makes me annoyed, but I'll live

[12:08:49]

Beirdo:

after the interview, I'll go sleep in the car for a while

[12:08:51]

Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

haha that'd do the job

[12:09:08]

** juski puts inkscape down. sposed to be working **

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Beirdo:

hopefully, it's not TOOO long of an interview. Long is OK, but please no 3h interview

[12:09:42]

Beirdo:

hehe

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laga:

gah

[12:10:10]

Beirdo:

the fun part is that the department it's for is the one my wife is currently working in as a contractor through her employer

[12:10:23]

Beirdo:

so she made SURE that the director had my resume right in her hand :)

[12:10:54]

laga:

i was trying to get a backtrace for a segfault. after i've recompiled without --enable-proc-opt and an svn up, it was gone. now i'm running with optimizations again and it just segfaulted after i restarted the backend. *sigh*

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Beirdo:

eek

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Beirdo:

now that sucks

[12:11:23]

laga:

i spose it was a different segfault, though

[12:11:32]

laga:

well. no more recompiling today

[12:11:43]

Beirdo:

I've had PLENTY of those in my bot development :)

[12:12:09]

Beirdo:

but the ncurses console is nearly complete. Need to add "New Server", "New Channel"

[12:12:20]

Beirdo:

and then a way to delete server/channel/etc

[12:12:28]

laga:

at least it's reproducable

[12:12:33]

Beirdo:

then I release again... and upgrade MythLogBot

[12:12:39]

laga:

heh

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Beirdo:

it's at SVN 334. Current is SVN 412

[12:13:12]

Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

so er... did all the bickering on the -dev list kill off the project to redesign mythtv.org or is that just a bad impression? ;)

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anykey_:

looks like so ;)

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lindenle:

Hi al my user jobs just get queued but never run can someone help me figure out why?

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juski:

lindenle: because maybe you've not set them to be allowed to run?

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lindenle:

juski: Jobs run on record host ?

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lindenle:

JobsRunOnRecordHost seting i mean?

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lindenle:

juski: How do I force te queued ones to start

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juski:

check mythtv-setup & make sure user jobs are allowed to run. also make sure the times are set to the time period you'd like jobs to run between

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lindenle:

juski: can i do that from mythweb?

[13:27:52]

juski:

no

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juski:

why did I say mythtv-setup?

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lindenle:

juski: sorry just woke up

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zren:

hey guys, I want to install a media player for a friend of mine, I heard about linuxMCE, but i don't know what it's supposed to be, is it just an "easy to install" myth tv or is it more

[13:44:59]

zren:

and do i need more than mythTV to just have a nice frontend for watching avis and stuff from the computer or a computer in the network?

[13:47:09]

anykey_:

you need to read the documentation ;)

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zren:

anykey_, k I'm sorry what do I have to read in the documentation to understand linuxMCE, sry I really didn't get what it's supposed to be

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anykey_:

i don't know linuxmce..

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Ryushin:

So can I assume that I can't pick up EIT information using PVR-*50 cards?

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tonyb2007:

On the "Watch Recordings" thing, basically everything I've watched except what I've recorded is there....I'm probably doing something wrong....

[13:59:42]

anykey_:

Ryushin: EIT is DVB only I think, PVR-500 are analogue

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Ryushin:

Hmmm.... My Samsung DLP does have a QAM tuner in it, but it is receiving the analog channel lineup information.

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anykey_:

rcxdude: maybe these informations are transmitted too over QAM?

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Ryushin:

Maybe. I wonder how much CPU it takes to encode analog on the fly and if the quality would be better than the PVR cards?

[14:03:10]

Ryushin:

I have a dual core AMD running at 2.2 ghz, so that should be a problem. I would like a nicer picture if possible.

[14:03:20]

Ryushin:

I can always get two more HD-5500 cards.

[14:03:31]

anykey_:

it takes a fairly high amount.. I'd recommend a PVR! You don't have to fiddle with a crappy framegrabber...

[14:03:43]

Ryushin:

They have analog tuners in them, but then I have to deal with the whole sound routing issue.

[14:03:46]

Ryushin:

Nah, it's not worth it.

[14:04:02]

Ryushin:

I'll keep using my 350 and 150.

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anykey_:

aah, well, the PVR-500 does have the same tuners as the 150 I think

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Ryushin:

It would be nice if there was a digital option available. Cablecard.

[14:05:15]

anykey_:

Ryushin: you in the us? maybe firewire is a solution for you

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Ryushin:

I'm in the US, but then I'll have to get 3 set top boxes, and pay the monthly BS for them.

[14:06:20]

Ryushin:

I'm not too pleased with the move to digital because they are making it a pain to distribute the signal around the house.

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Ryushin:

If they would send in plain QAM, it would just make life easy, but noooooo, they have to go through this proprietary BS.

[14:07:40]

anykey_:

same here, though there is some discussion going on to forbid the cablecompanies to encrypt FTA channels...

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anykey_:

(and to make CAMs/smartcards available)

[14:09:06]

Ryushin:

What are FTA channels? I know OTA channels. Yea, it would be nice to see open cablecards for linux, but I won't hold my breath for them.

[14:09:29]

Ryushin:

It would be nice to see someone like pcHDTV produce a cable card.

[14:10:02]

anykey_:

Ryushin: Free To Air (stuff you can receive using DVB-T or DVB-S without a subscription)

[14:10:35]

anykey_:

Ryushin: well, they don't need to make cablecards here, the equipment would all exist ;)

[14:11:21]

Ryushin:

Does that mean, channels that have commercials will be unencrypted? You'd think that would be a no brainer.

[14:12:48]

anykey_:

Ryushin: yeah... but they encrypt *everything* and say thats because they are using a proprietary solution, but in fact they are using QAM-256..

[14:13:32]

Ryushin:

Yea, I know, it's just nuts. Bastards, all of them.

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anykey_:

Ryushin: well, if they'd stop the encryption they could still sell these STBs, they would just need to make something available for us mediacenter users ;)

[14:14:56]

anykey_:

Ryushin: fact is you cant get digital here with firewire like in the US :/

[14:15:27]

Ryushin:

Well, they can encrypt the firewall as well, with the exception of OTA channels.

[14:15:32]

Ryushin:

firewire.

[14:15:52]

Ryushin:

All depends on how lucky/unlucky you are with your local cable provider.

[14:16:16]

Ryushin:

Still, you'd have to have a digital box for each tuner which would be a pain.

[14:16:29]

anykey_:

yeah, well we'll see what this discussion that is going on brings, maybe I'm lucky ;)

[14:16:40]

Ryushin:

Maybe it's time to build a backend for the basement and stick all the crap downstairs, digital boxes and all.

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anykey_:

Ryushin: I did that, works pretty good, except that it is a dirty hack... because you could get a better picture using a DVB tuner directly ;)

[14:19:56]

Ryushin:

Yea, not doubt there.

[14:20:18]

anykey_:

not to mention that those boxes consume about 20 watts...

[14:20:27]

Ryushin:

So yea, a bunch of money to spend again. My WAF probably will be pretty low.

[14:20:38]

anykey_:

no matter if they are in standby or not

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j-rod:

yay, I'm now rockin' the in-kernel ivtv driver...

[14:23:57]

j-rod:

zero out-of-tree drivers on my backend now

[14:24:12]

j-rod:

and only one on my frontend (lirc)

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Ryushin:

j-rod: Yea, I'm looking at moving to 2.6.22 soon too. Just need to figure out fbsplash now instead of using bootsplash. A project for the weekend.

[14:27:48]

j-rod:

me cares not about splashes, my boxes pretty much never reboot. :)

[14:30:04]

j-rod:

though I do like 'em in text mode. purty.

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Ryushin:

j-rod: Well, the wife likes splashes and seeing a bar go across the screen whenever the box does need to be rebooted.

[14:38:28]

j-rod:

making wife happy is always a good thing

[14:38:29]

Ryushin:

I just sent an e-mail to pcHDTV asking them if it would be possible for them to build a cablecard device for linux like they did with their HD cards.

[14:38:54]

j-rod:

they were already rumored to be working on one

[14:39:07]

Ryushin:

Really? I never saw that rumor.

[14:39:37]

j-rod:

don't recall where I heard that, but how feasible it is, I dunno...

[14:39:38]

Ryushin:

That would be outstanding! I already have a HD-3000 and HD-5500 from them.

[14:40:20]

Ryushin:

From what I've been reading, the hard part is getting it certified by CableLabs.

[14:40:25]

j-rod:

yep

[14:40:55]

Ryushin:

I figured that with the binary firmware, like in the HD cards, it might be possible to get it certified.

[14:40:57]

j-rod:

because I doubt if any cable companies really want such a card to come into existence

[14:41:07]

Ryushin:

But I think they just don't want someone to be able to record content.

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j-rod:

particularly some rogue linux app w/o any drm in it

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Ryushin:

I just don't understand it. We can record analog all day long. We can dump the signal from set top boxes just fine. What is the freaking deal with not being able to see/record what we pay for. It's already been extortion by the way they've been raising my cable bill after the last year without giving me anything in return.

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Ryushin:

It's gone up 25% and the only thing I've gotten in return is a few of my channels being converted to digital only, and a few more spanish channels, which I don't even speak.

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Ryushin:

Thank you comcast you $$#%^@$%@#$ @$%^&*&^ #@$%^$%^&^%&!

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fryfrog:

comcast are a bunch of hobags :(

[14:51:33]

Ryushin:

fryfrog: You shouldn't be complimenting them like that. It might go to their heads and they'll raise are rates even more.

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Ryushin:

They like us, so raise their rates again. Squeeze every last dollar from our lemming subscribers.

[14:52:45]

Ryushin:

They'll pay it, because we have no competition go to their homes.

[14:54:24]

fryfrog:

I wish I could get DSL w/o a phone line

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j-rod:

there actually is competition in my area

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fryfrog:

I'd even go with satalite and their not as bad as comcasts but not as good as myth dvr

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j-rod:

if I'm willing to put a 2nd ONT on the side of my house, I can get Verizon FiOS TV

[14:54:55]

fryfrog:

just to get away from then

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fryfrog:

what is an ONT?

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j-rod:

Optical Network Terminal

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j-rod:

or something

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fryfrog:

you already have a 1st "ONT?

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j-rod:

yep

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j-rod:

verizon fios business service

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fryfrog:

FiOS internets?

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fryfrog:

mmmm, tastey

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cyrexion:

hey guys, my mythbox is situated in a relatively tight spot — about 2 inches of "free" space from the shelving enclosure it sits on. That along with one fan inside the case (the CPU fan), the system shuts off after about 5–7 minutes of actually doing work (capturing / playback). Does anyone know of a liquid cooling solution for HTPCs. I was thinking of this (http://www.bigbruin.com/reviews05/ttrhythm_1), but am unsure if it will sol

[14:56:06]

cyrexion:

ve my "shut down" problem. Any ideas?

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j-rod:

20Mbps down, 5Mbps up, 5 static IP, no restrictive EULA :)

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fryfrog:

i bet thems is a big dump truck

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fryfrog:

how much / month?

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j-rod:

$99

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fryfrog:

not horrible

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j-rod:

which was cheaper than comcast + colo'ing a server

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fryfrog:

i'd pay that if i made a little money off my internets

[14:57:14]

fryfrog:

i'm finally caching in my adsense :)

[14:57:20]

fryfrog:

$130 in like 1.5 years :)

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j-rod:

I don't really make any money off it, but I use it quite a bit

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

do you really *see* 20/5 performance?

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j-rod:

oh yeah

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fryfrog:

nice

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jams:

yes he does

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fryfrog:

where do you live, i need to find a job in that area :)

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j-rod:

Boston area

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AndyCap:

cyrexion: just use normal liquid cooling? if you have place to put the radiator?

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jams:

att uverse is the other option, but they limit you to 1Mbs upload

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AndyCap:

cyrexion: but dunno what the WAF on say reserator-1 is. Depends on W I guess

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fryfrog:

cyrexion: woudln't it be cheaper to resolve the "tight spot" your pc is in?

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fryfrog:

frak at&t

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fryfrog:

they are the evil empire :)

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AndyCap:

j-rod: they build out a new network with asymmetrical bandwidth? eew.

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cyrexion:

AnyCap: Yeah, immediately on top or below the htpc....

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j-rod:

evil empire showdown: at&t vs. comcast...

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fryfrog:

and comcast is their model for customer service :)

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cyrexion:

fryfrog: I could alleviate about 4 inches of space on the top... but I don't know how much it would help

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AndyCap:

cyrexion: isn't that shelf already too hot? so just putting a radiator there won't help

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j-rod:

AndyCap: no, its 100% fiber all over the place, and you can get symmetric packages, they just cost a shitload more

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jams:

i was talking to them last week and they had some of the worst static and echo on their phone system. I thought it was very ironic.

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fryfrog:

cyrexion: also, could it be your cpu/hs aren't mated well? did you use a hair thin layer of thermal paste?

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AndyCap:

j-rod: I hate stupid providers. (and here you see them whine about peering imbalances as well)

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fryfrog:

cpus can stand some pretty high temps, if they are actually getting some cooling

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cyrexion:

fryfrog: yes, I made absolute sure of that...

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j-rod:

I got no complaints.

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fryfrog:

k

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j-rod:

it works quite well for me, and its more than fast enough

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fryfrog:

cyrexion: must be getting *really* damn hit in there :(

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cyrexion:

fryfrog: yeah, checking the bios diagnostics... the cpu temp climbs .5 degrees every 10–15 seconds...

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fryfrog:

s/hit/hot

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fryfrog:

maybe a fan or duct would be a cheap way?

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fryfrog:

or just totally move it somewhere else?

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AndyCap:

cyrexion: you only have a cpu fan? no fan to move air through the case?

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j-rod:

I ended up carving out the rear panel of my entertainment center to give better cooling to my old frontend box

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cyrexion:

yeah... I probably need another case... I'm using the LC19, and it's really small. Really no place to put cooling after all the components are in.

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fryfrog:

is it a FE/BE or just a FE?

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j-rod:

I'm quite partial to my mac mini. Looks good sitting on the shelf next to my wii.

[15:04:31]

fryfrog:

if it is FE/BE, thats probably the problem. TV tuners get pretty hot (if you use one). Hard drives cause a bit of heat too

[15:04:48]

fryfrog:

j-rod: you run linux + myth or is it still runing... olsx?

[15:04:54]

fryfrog:

er, but w/o the l :)

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j-rod:

linux

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AndyCap:

cyrexion: "you will notice a series of fan mounts for the addition of an optional 40mm cooling fan." Btw, how does the cpu temp develop when you run something on it?

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j-rod:

still has an os x partition on it, but hasn't been booted into os x in a few months now

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fryfrog:

will it do HD playback?

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j-rod:

yep

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fryfrog:

nice

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j-rod:

feeds a 1080p signal via DVI to my hdtv, plays back both 1080i and 720p w/o a problem

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AndyCap:

j-rod: mpeg-2 then?

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fryfrog:

cool

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j-rod:

yes, mpeg2

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fryfrog:

man, i might have to pick one up when i finally redo my FE

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j-rod:

definitely well worth it

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jams:

just wish it had optical out

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j-rod:

jams: erm, it does...

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fryfrog:

is it hard to get linux going on it? its intel, so you can use most distros?

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jams:

mine doesn't

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Dagmar:

You can't use Yellow Dog on it

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j-rod:

jams: Its a mini-optical, so you need an adapter, but I'm feeding optical audio straight over to my amp

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j-rod:

fryfrog: pretty much any standard x86 distro should work

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jams:

j-rod- is that the connection right next to the headphone?

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fryfrog:

neat, know of any sites with info on mini + linux, i'd love to read some

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fryfrog:

or maybe even mini + linux + myth

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j-rod:

jams: I think it *is* the headphone connector — mutifunction plug. But it might be the other one. I'd have to double-check.

[15:08:20]

jams:

ok

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j-rod:

fryfrog: there really isn't much to it, its just like any other x86 box, by and large

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AndyCap:

heh, same as the Turtle Beach usb soundcard then. that has a optical/headphone connector

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jams:

thats what I get for listening to the apple rep

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j-rod:

make sure you have a new enough firmware on it that it supports bios emulation, and you're gravy

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fryfrog:

neat

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fryfrog:

you do anything crazy like go hard drive less?

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fryfrog:

the picture mentions what you guys are talking about

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fryfrog:

"headphones/audio out/optical out" and "line in/optical in"

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fryfrog:

pointing to head phone size jacks

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fryfrog:

holey crap, the damn thing is $600 bucks!

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fryfrog:

er, department of redundancy department :)

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j-rod:

nah, diskless is pointless

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j-rod:

I got mine for $570, then upgraded the RAM to 2GB

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j-rod:

$600 seemed perfectly reasonable to me. Especially if you look at comparable form-factor offerings from other vendors.

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jams:

the hardest part of working with a mini is opening the dang thing

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j-rod:

Apple actually beats the pants off most of them. The only ones that come close in price have shitty single-core celeron procs

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j-rod:

yeah, opening it was not so fun

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j-rod:

woulda been easier if I got a putty knife

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jedix:

hrm

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jedix:

I'm getting a lot of SendReceiveStringList(): No response. errors :/

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jams:

i had one, and it was still a slow process

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jams:

granted i was being careful to not crack anything

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fryfrog:

yeah, true. i guess i was just comparing to a $600 system in any sort of normal case :)

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j-rod:

jams: I was reasonably careful, but w/o the right tools, I did chew up the bottom edge of the thing pretty bad. Oh well, its not visible... :)

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jams:

man i just can't seem to motivate myself to finish up some details in this code

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sphery:

j-rod: Do you know if the QT 3.3.8 application destructor patch has (or is being) applied to the QT in repos for Fedora users? See http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3748#comment:2

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laga:

jams: same here ;)

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jams:

sphery- i believe it is

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j-rod:

sphery: yeah, supposedly it is

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sphery:

Hmmm. OK. Probably just a user who hadn't updated his system.

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sphery:

thx

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fryfrog:

j-rod: which distro did you end up putting on your mini? fedora?

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j-rod:

yeah, fedora 7 on it now (more or less)

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fryfrog:

ah

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j-rod:

chances of me using anything BUT fedora are slim to almost non-existent... :)

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j-rod:

well, I do also have several boxes running rhel5...

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j-rod:

but that became mostly non-interesting to work on once it went GA

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j-rod:

aside from feature-adds for point releases

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j-rod:

whee, the ia64 xen saga continues...

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** jams secretly installs linspire on one of j-rod's computers **

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j-rod:

hahahahahaha

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j-rod:

all my base are belong to you

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jams:

heh

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jams:

alright back to this boring code

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j-rod:

I do install other stuff periodically to check it out, but other stuff usually doesn't stay around long

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j-rod:

me too.

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j-rod:

finally getting around to trying to figure out how badly we fucked firewire in F7...

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j-rod:

(at least wrt firewire cable boxes)

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j-rod:

firewire_tester oopes the system

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j-rod:

oopses even

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cyrexion:

fryfrog: it's just a FE

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cyrexion:

AnyCap: The CPU climbs significantly. All I know is that when the system is idle (in bios-mode), it increases .5 degrees over a span of 10–15 min.

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fryfrog:

ouch :/

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fryfrog:

to both j-rod and cyrexion :)

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jams:

adding vnc support to the install process has turned out to be more trouble then first thought

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shodan:

just read about zap2it flipping us the bird, that was predictable ... damn I'm happy to have made the transition to DVB :) DVB EIT rules :)

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fryfrog:

in teh US?

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fryfrog:

how many days do you get?

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jedix:

fryfrog: I think it's september, check topic for details

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fryfrog:

I was talking abou thow many days of EIT data ;)

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jedix:

oh

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jedix:

2

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jedix:

I think

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fryfrog:

i wonder if datadirect has made any new official comments, i should check teh forums

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shodan:

I get 2 weeks through EIT

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shodan:

but I override with zap2it to get categories

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shodan:

(for coloration in mythweb)

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laga:

"override"?

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Beirdo:

bah

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levander`:

Is there any MythTV plugin that lets me read my mail on my TV?

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jams:

nope

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jams:

i know of one that let you check if you have email. but that was never published

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levander:

I assume there's no web browser for MythTV either?

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AndyCap:

levander: that there is

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AndyCap:

mythbrowser

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levander:

Excellent.

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AndyCap:

dunno about excellent though. :P

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jams:

hehe

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jams:

i agree andycap

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levander:

It's not per chance based on Gecko is it? (Gecko is Mozilla's rendering engine.)

[17:34:59]

levander:

Apparently it's based on KHTML instead.

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levander:

I'm surprised it's not very good.

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jams:

levander- it's just tough to use with a remote

[17:35:22]

levander:

KHTML is an excellent rendering engine. Apple's Safari and KDE's Konqueror is based on that.

[17:35:30]

levander:

jams: Ah, I see.

[17:35:40]

AndyCap:

a rendering engine does not a browser make.

[17:35:53]

Isbeorn:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firefox

[17:36:00]

Isbeorn:

just make myth open firefox

[17:36:30]

AndyCap:

firefox would be even worse with a remote though?

[17:36:34]

levander:

Yeah, thanks for the tip.

[17:36:52]

Isbeorn:

yeah, but i'm guessin gif Levander wants to check and write email, probably has a keyboard

[17:37:40]

AndyCap:

btw, anyone try one of these? http://www.gyration.com/en-US/OEMProduct.html

[17:38:02]

levander:

The same way you can run Firefox, can you run Thunderbird (for email) from within Myth also?

[17:38:19]

AndyCap:

"Uses standard Microsoft drivers" would it be a fatal mistake to assume it's HID? :)

[17:38:43]

siXy:

AndyCap: no, but it looks siilar to the imon pad remote which also combines keyboard and mouse functions in a similar way

[17:38:44]

Isbeorn:

levander: i suppose that would work

[17:38:57]

levander:

AndyCap: yeesh, i'd say 70/30 it works.

[17:39:02]

siXy:

and i know the imon pad requires its own special driver

[17:39:32]

siXy:

so unless it uses the same driver as the imon pad (which is possible but unlikely) i wouldnt expect it to work – at least not fully

[17:39:52]

AndyCap:

since the remote wonder II seems to be damn near impossible to get a hold of outside US/CA

[17:40:09]

jams:

all the other gyration branded mice work with linux.

[17:40:52]

siXy:

yeah but they dont depend on lirc :)

[17:41:04]

AndyCap:

and they don't have the "official Green Button"

[17:41:11]

siXy:

hehe

[17:41:47]

AndyCap:

there seems to be an mceusb driver

[17:41:52]

siXy:

AndyCap: if you are just after an RF remote, http://www.snapstream.com/products/firefly/ might be mossible

[17:42:09]

** gnome42 just posted a patch to #2335 if anyone is interested in that one **

[17:42:58]

siXy:

AndyCap: in that case it must work differently – maybe it will identify as 2 seperate devices, a mouse and a remote? if so it may well work in linux

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AndyCap:

siXy: I'm guessing it has a mouse and a remote thing, but dunno.. It is a tad pricey, but the dollar is down the tubes these days. :)

[17:44:45]

siXy:

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AndyCap:

http://perens.com/FreeSoftware/gyration.html

[17:45:15]

AndyCap:

hid device. cool

[17:45:20]

siXy:

very nice

[17:45:35]

siXy:

doesnt seem to use lirc at all

[17:45:50]

AndyCap:

hmm, oh, well.

[17:46:01]

siXy:

which may be a Very Good Thing

[17:46:07]

AndyCap:

btw, is there a way to stuff commands into lirc programmatically?

[17:46:21]

AndyCap:

as in faking lirc input.

[17:47:32]

siXy:

AndyCap: yes but not easily and not without modifying the source some ( true as of 0.7.x, may have changed now )

[17:47:57]

siXy:

but you dont need lirc for myth, in fact its much better not to use it if possible

[17:48:08]

AndyCap:

ok.. scratch that then. :) I'll find some other way to make mplayer do my bidding

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siXy:

are you talking about using thta remote with mplayer?

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AndyCap:

siXy: indirectly. I still use mplayer for mythvideo in some cases

[17:49:19]

siXy:

if so it looks like it will function as a keyboard, using the input layer, which is *much* better than lirc which is at best poor.

[17:49:23]

AndyCap:

and thus the network remote socket wasn't very useful

[17:49:46]

AndyCap:

but other than for external programs it worked fine.

[17:50:44]

siXy:

not sure how you would control mplayer rmeotely tho... that doesnt seem an easy thing to do. cant you get your application to fake keypresses? that would be simpler

[17:51:22]

AndyCap:

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/tech/slave.txt

[17:51:45]

siXy:

ah that handy :)

[17:51:48]

AndyCap:

hmm, I guess one could have mythvideo enslave mplayer... but

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AndyCap:

that would require writing lots of code

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[18:29:06]

psymin:

Based on a quick search of the mailing list, my impression is that MythTV can scale 480p signal to make it appear smoother on a 1080p display. Is that correct?

[18:31:09]

|Torg|:

can it upscale, yes. will it look smother, no (well probabbly no)

[18:32:20]

psymin:

comparable to one of those upscaling DVD players? Or 2xsai, hq3x, or those other emulator scaling methods?

[18:33:02]

|Torg|:

coparable to how you scale it, with what hardware, etc

[18:33:10]

|Torg|:

and I assume you menat 480I as in DVD

[18:33:37]

psymin:

Yup

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Cry_wolf2:

wow, just found the mythtv group on facebook. Nice

[18:34:17]

|Torg|:

the problem with the scaling is what is doing the inverse telecine on it

[18:34:34]

|Torg|:

depending on hardware it can look fine, to being very choppy

[18:34:57]

|Torg|:

I for example simply push it to the TV and let my TV upscale it, but then again I have a rather expsive TV

[18:35:28]

xris:

it's usually better to let the tv do the upscaling

[18:35:47]

** psymin searches the manual of the display. **

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psymin:

doh, no mention of scaling (other than widescreen and back)

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|Torg|:

can your TV do 480I? Ill assume it can, if no why upscale it at all

[18:37:41]

|Torg|:

err if so

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psymin:

I'm sure it can.

[18:38:33]

|Torg|:

upscaling anything it not going to make it better, the bits simply arnt there to use

[18:38:36]

AndyCap:

because the tv scaler may suck, and convincing myth to output 480i may be tricky.

[18:38:41]

psymin:

Mostly I'm still giddy from the purchase of the 42" 1080p LCD .. looking for ways to make my existing media (or future media) pretty

[18:39:00]

|Torg|:

convisign myth to output 480I is imposible, X does it, not myth

[18:39:12]

AndyCap:

|Torg|: I know, slip of the tongue

[18:39:54]

|Torg|:

ModeLine "ATSC-480–59.94i" 11.958 640 664 736 760 480 484 492 525 Interlace

[18:39:58]

|Torg|:

its about that difficult

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|Torg|:

psymin take a cup of water and make it fit all the space in a gallon jug

[18:41:05]

** psymin boils the water. **

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psymin:

done!

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|Torg|:

when you figure out what the problem is there, you will understand why upscaling wont make it look any better

[18:41:17]

psymin:

http://www.hiend3d.com/hq3x.html

[18:41:29]

psymin:

Somehow hq3x is able to do it for some types of images ..

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Dagmar:

FACT: Image detail, once lost, can not be reclaimed.

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psymin:

I agree.

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Dagmar:

That's just going to make the video look like it's been run through an SVG filter of some kind

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Dagmar:

It works "okay" for video games, but for video it's going to look like those E*Trade commercials

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AndyCap:

psymin: might work if you watch cartoons. :)

[18:42:55]

** psymin watches cartoons. **

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|Torg|:

psymin either way its guessing at what pixels to shade in

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** psymin nods. **

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cyrexion:

\exit

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cyrexion:

\quit

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jedix:

after living in linux for so long, \ looks very incorrect

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|Torg|:

except / has been used in irc commands since the beginning

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|Torg|:

never mind :P

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mkrufky:

my hdhomerun arrived :-D

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fryfrog:

score!

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mkrufky:

now i can see what the fuss is all about

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mkrufky:

(good fuss, that is — i've only heard good things)

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KiSak:

hi folks

[20:57:31]

KiSak:

I find myself in need of guidence

[20:58:04]

** juski passes KiSak the good book. **

[20:58:34]

juski:

yeah, I know. the manual is in good shape after all this time but hey – so few people have even read it

[20:59:48]

fryfrog:

you are in luck then, there are lots of guides available!

[21:00:34]

KiSak:

/usr/bin/removecommercials talks to mysql properly when run manually, but not when run by mythbackend

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[21:01:09]

fryfrog:

wtf is that?

[21:01:17]

fryfrog:

something in svn head?

[21:01:30]

juski:

nope

[21:01:36]

KiSak:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials

[21:02:14]

juski:

KiSak: then maybe you're in need of something to tell the script how to talk to mysql when it's run as the user mythbackend is running as ;)

[21:02:40]

KiSak:

like ~/.my.cnf ?

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KiSak:

or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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juski:

the latter

[21:03:20]

KiSak:

both exist

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KiSak:

and have been checked

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fryfrog:

wow, your commflagging is accurate enough for you to actually *remove* em?

[21:05:26]

KiSak:

yes, for most shows

[21:05:28]

juski:

wtf is that script doing?

[21:06:15]

KiSak:

# The meat of the script. Flag commercials, copy the flagged commercials to # the cutlist, and transcode the video to remove the commercials from the # file.

[21:06:43]

KiSak:

then it needs to clean up after itself

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juski:

KiSak: maybe if you put "mysql -u$youruser -p$yourpassword mythconverg" in place of "mysql mythconverg" ...

[21:07:40]

juski:

.e.g. mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

[21:08:07]

subx:

ive found a bug in 'Watch Recordings' i can delete recordings but once it reaches the last recording and you delete it mythtv locks up

[21:08:30]

juski:

subx: nice. now tell somebody who cares

[21:08:54]

subx:

:-S

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juski:

er I mean open a ticket with a full report of what goes wrong, how to reproduce it & also a backtrace

[21:09:36]

juski:

a bad bug report is as good as no bug report. sometimes even worse

[21:09:36]

subx:

juski: i dont know how to code in c

[21:10:01]

juski:

see the section in the DOCS (remember them?!) about troubleshooting

[21:10:07]

subx:

if i submit the bug it might even take longer for .21 to appear, so maybe i wont report it

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juski:

it's possible (though unlikely) that nobody else has found the bug – I mean who goes around deleting all their recordings? ;)

[21:11:08]

subx:

thats true

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juski:

search the -users list, the -dev list (mailing list archives), the commit logs.. might already be fixed

[21:11:33]

subx:

ok

[21:11:33]

juski:

if indeed it is a real bug

[21:12:05]

juski:

that's what the troubleshooting section of the docs tells ya to do, plus some more

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juski:

I don't just yell RTFM for the hell of it damnit

[21:12:22]

subx:

juski: not everyone reads the docs :p

[21:12:36]

juski:

EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THE DOCS, SMARTASS

[21:12:52]

** subx runs **

[21:13:40]

willcooke:

greets

[21:13:54]

** willcooke got a Nokia N770 today! Wooo! **

[21:14:13]

** juski basks in willcooke's N770's 2.0-ness **

[21:14:37]

willcooke:

Oi!! It was cheap, 60 GBP brand new.

[21:14:41]

siXy:

is that the vastly-huge tablet thingy?

[21:15:01]

willcooke:

it's not so big as to not fit in my (slightly large) pockets

[21:15:11]

juski:

heh I can't help but be a skeptic of internet appliances

[21:15:22]

willcooke:

It's got mplayer!

[21:15:31]

juski:

and?

[21:15:48]

juski:

sorry I had to sit through Shrek 3 tonight, so I'm pissed off

[21:15:51]

willcooke:

erm, it comes with two stylus's (styli?)

[21:16:04]

willcooke:

:)

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immolo:

you put a custom linux distro on it yet?

[21:16:14]

willcooke:

HAD to?

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juski:

oh come on. everybody knows the plural of stylus is 'styleeeee'

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willcooke:

immolo, Looking at ubuntu mobile atm

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siXy:

lol!

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immolo:

ubuntu moblie????????

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immolo:

oh my god

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juski:

willcooke: either that or access denied errors for the rest of the week :\

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willcooke:

rotfl

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siXy:

im actually not sure i can think of a single thing that the tablet can do thats not already covered by one of my mobile, my blackberry or my laptop

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juski:

immolo: are you an ostrich? did the digg dugg slashdot flashbot not reach you about the saviour of the human race they call ubunut mobile? ;)

[21:18:13]

willcooke:

siXy, vnc?

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willcooke:

oh, sorry, laptop, yeah

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siXy:

and its not like i vnc, ever, either, i just ssh

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juski:

for £60 I might dabble. if I had wireless

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immolo:

juski- digg? :P

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willcooke:

juski, I've got a WiFi access point or three you can have

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Juski:

heh.

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Juski:

the server won't let me be juski1.0 :(

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willcooke:

I tried selling an 802.11b wifi ap on ebay for 5 quid with free postage – no one bought it. :(

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Juski:

jees

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Juski:

the snobbage!

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immolo:

ubuntu mobile isn't going to run on the N770 though

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willcooke:

they are literally worthless

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willcooke:

immolo, it'll be ported to arm eventually

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immolo:

when the N770 will be too slow to run it :P

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willcooke:

*cough* 60 quid

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Juski:

who cares about putting linux on every possible device even if it sucks just because you can ? ;)

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willcooke:

that's like a tank full of petrol and a packet of ciggies

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Juski:

my digital watch has a CPU.. hmmm

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willcooke:

Ubuntu game & watch edition?>

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Juski:

rofl

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immolo:

Juski- you telling me if your toaster supported linux you wouldn't install it

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Juski:

immolo: course I wouldn't. jesus

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willcooke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dwarf_characters#Talkie_Toaster

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siXy:

willcooke: didnt that get smashed to bits for being too annoying for words?

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Juski:

it's cool that people hack stuff – and all very noble etc.. but if a device works just fine (tm) before putting linux on & does everything you want it to anyway – why bother?

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immolo:

Juski- so a device that holds your porn collection and toasts your bread isn't the best thing since well sliced bread

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Juski:

immolo: what porn collection?

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Juski:

and anyway wtf would my toaster have a hdd inside it? it's a freakin TOASTER ffs

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Juski:

you crazy kidz

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fysa:

willcooke: have you tried using a bluetooth keyboard with it?

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immolo:

you always get a guy who puts crazy mods on stuff

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Juski:

anyway, people with beards shouldn't play with toasters. very dangerous things

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willcooke:

siXy, :-) Would you like some toast?

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immolo:

haha

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fysa:

willcooke: thinking of picking one up with a small bluetooth keyboard/mount for sub-laptop coding use..

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siXy:

how about a crumpet?

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willcooke:

fysa, Not yet – we've got one of those laser projection whatsits at work – I'll give it a go

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Juski:

siXy: steady

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Juski:

I turn 35 next week. I really feel very very old now

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willcooke:

Oh, a question.........

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fysa:

something that can be a car MP3/GPS that I can do work with in a pinch.

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Juski:

I've lost the will to be a gadget freak

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willcooke:

Would you like a tea cake?

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fysa:

I know what you mean, juski. I've had a failed drive in my RAID5 for a week — living dangerously.

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Juski:

willcooke, siXy – you know you laugh about it now but that toaster was one of the best characters Red Dwarf ever had

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fysa:

just haven't worked up the motiviation to swap it out.

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willcooke:

My mate has one of those bluetooth gps things connected to his windows mobile phone with tomtom on it – that's pretty cool!

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** Juski has a mate at work like that. he's the guy who lives alone with a bunch of cats **

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willcooke:

He does have a cat actually

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siXy:

Juski: lol :D

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Juski:

the ironic thing is the whole house is automated & he logs in from work to see what's been going on at home. why is that ironic? there's nobody at home, so there'a FA happening

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willcooke:

:))

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Juski:

please kill me if I get like that

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willcooke:

I used to have motion set up with a load of usb cameras in my old house, I'd get emailed an avi of the postman walking down the drive. :(

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fysa:

hot.

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willcooke:

Although, motion is a pretty cool project, but not quite as easy to use as zoneminder

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Juski:

nah he's a windows fanboy through & through

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Juski:

really starting to hate MCE though, which is funny

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KiSak:

Juski: that change to the script failed

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Juski:

ah well

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Juski:

if the script works when you run it as you, why not try to run it as the user mythbackend runs as, and see if it works then

[21:37:05]

Juski:

it has to be a simple mistake

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KiSak:

I always have been running it manually as the mythtv user

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Juski:

the script?

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KiSak:

yse

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KiSak:

*yes

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Juski:

well I got news for ya. the backend doesn't always run as 'mythtv'. different packagers have different views ;)

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KiSak:

is that news?

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Juski:

try running the script as the same user mythbackend runs as, and see if it works then

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KiSak:

I run Gentoo, the backend is run as mythtv (user)

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Juski:

I'm only pointing out the bleeding obvious stuff to try, so help me

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Juski:

ah to hell with it

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willcooke:

can anyone tell me how I revert a single file with svn?

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AndyCap:

willcooke: revert some/file/ ?

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willcooke:

Can I tell it which version to revert to?

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willcooke:

Actually, forget that – I've found the man page! Cheers!

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willcooke:

:)

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AndyCap:

willcooke: no. revert means reverting your changes

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metalac:

hey guys

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metalac:

i have an issue with firewire on my box

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metalac:

it worked fine in the past, but I upgraded the box and decided to install Ubuntu

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metalac:

now I connected everything as before, and I see the connection in plugreport, but when i run the firewire_primer it fails every time and it seems to freeze as well

[22:08:26]

metalac:

by freeze i mean it will say Testing... and that's it for a long time

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d00gster:

guys don't anyone know what diseqc commands myth sends if i tell it I have a 16 port diseqc switch?

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d00gster:

is it going to be E0 10 38 F0-FF ?

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metalac:

so it looks that i fixed my firewire issue, but now I get "MythTV is already using all availab inputs for the channel you selected....."

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d00gster:

guys does anyone know what diseqc commands myth sends if i tell it I have a 16 port diseqc switch?

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d00gster:

is it going to be E0 10 38 F0-FF ?

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murray:

greetings ... dvb-t (uk), using the broadcast eit epg data. How do I tell myth to fetch the eit data, so that I can then run mythfilldatabase to populate the epg?

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murray:

if I run mythfilldatabase by hand, it says "Source configured to use only the broadcastd guide data. Skipping"

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murray:

hmm, so I think I need to kick the EIT crawler .. but how?

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