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Saturday, July 14th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Kevorkian:

ahhh

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yap:

ok so i got a pvr-150 ,.... and i got this whole thing set up .... then i choose "Watch tv"

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yap:

blank screen for like 2 minutes ... then back to the menu

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juski:

yap: and you tested it outside of mythtv first right?

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yap:

am i missing something simple here ?

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yap:

now why would i do that ? :)

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** juski sighs **

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Tanthrix:

yap: What juski said. Do mplayer /dev/video and see if you get something.

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yap:

ok i will try

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** Kevorkian points to the myth-tv set up .. **

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Kevorkian:

Why do I bet you dont have it configured as a mpeg card

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yap:

well wait a sec .... should i be using the video out from the wintv card ? or my regular rgb ?

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yap:

kevorkian .. because i am a newbie ! :)

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yap:

thats why

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yap:

hehe

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Kevorkian:

not a problem ..

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yap:

come to think of it i did see a message during loading that said it couldnt load some dvb module or something

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Kevorkian:

go back to the place where you configure the card .. and make sure its set as mpeg .. and not vfl

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yap:

ok will do

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Staticwave_Ace:

sweet

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Staticwave_Ace:

I have nearly every one of my analog channels as QAM hidden on my cable

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yap:

oh man :(

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yap:

i cant find where to setup the capture and video shite now

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yap:

gah !

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Staticwave_Ace:

mythtv-setup

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yap:

dammit !

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, I think it should be *inside* mythtv as well

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kormoc:

Staticwave_Ace, tho, you don't need the backend to setup the frontend, and you don't need a frontend to setup the backend, so where should it be?

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Staticwave_Ace:

well, see, ideally, I'd like to setup the backend without X

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Staticwave_Ace:

I don't believe thats currently possible

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kormoc:

Staticwave_Ace, X forwarding works fine for that

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Staticwave_Ace:

that would still required an installed X no?

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kormoc:

on a different box, sure

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Staticwave_Ace:

I mean, if I have a headless server

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Staticwave_Ace:

with no X installed

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kormoc:

My desktop has X, my server does not, so I forward X from the server to my desktop

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Staticwave_Ace:

can I run mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

Staticwave_Ace, sure, it just forwards the X requests to the remote X server, not a local one

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrmm

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Staticwave_Ace:

but could I *build* mythtv

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kormoc:

Staticwave_Ace, so my server sees my desktop's X as it's X server and displays it there

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Staticwave_Ace:

:)

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** kormoc laughs **

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yap:

oh man this sucks :(

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kormoc:

Sadly, that's a bit more complicated :P

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phake:

hi, ive got a problem – i selected a wrong resolution, i cannot change it back, because of the f** resolution. is there any config file, where i can fix it manually?

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yap:

i installed some full distro .. knoppmyth

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yap:

now i cant get to a command prompt

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kormoc:

phake, in the DB

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrmm

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kormoc:

yap, ctrl + alt + f2 ?

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yap:

well i can if i hit ctrl-alt-f1 or some such .. but then cant run setup

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yap:

:(

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yap:

yah

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Staticwave_Ace:

I guess its time to buy a hdhomerun

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kormoc:

yap, why not? if X is running, it should work fine

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yap:

X is running

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phake:

kormoc, woah, very fast (-; im going to try it! thx

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yap:

says it cant connect to xserver

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yap:

cant i just invoke it from the myth thingy

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phake:

kormoc, one more question, do you know which table?

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kormoc:

phake, I would assume the settings table

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kormoc:

yap, try DISPLAY=:0.0 mythtv-setup ?

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yap:

woot i got to a shell :)

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yap:

from the gui

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phake:

| GuiVidModeResolution | 720x480

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phake:

but this seems to be good or not?

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phake:

but this fucks my whole screen

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phake:

i have to restart x

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phake:

also mythtv-setup runs with this bad resolution

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juski:

phake: if you try mythfrontend --help it will tell you that mythfrontend --reset will reset the GUI settings and that mythfrontend --geometry XxY will let you run mythfrontend at a size of X times Y :)

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juski:

e.g. mythfrontend --reset

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juski:

or mythfrontend --geometry 800x600

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phake:

oh thsx

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phake:

thx

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Staticwave_Ace:

anyone know of a place that sells the hdhomerun for < 169?

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phake:

oh no

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yap:

ok so i set it as a mpeg card

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yap:

now tried to watch tv

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yap:

i think its dead now :)

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hads:

juski: Your themes in SVN, are they designed for 20-fixes too, or just trunk?

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janneg:

hads: look at the path where the themes are

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hads:

janneg: Yeah, I know where they are.

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hads:

I'm setting up a 20-fixes box for a friend and was wondering if there are significant differences. I don't normally follow what happens in 20-fixes

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yap:

ok when i do mplayer /dev/video0 ... i get tv static

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yap:

so i guess the card is functional

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kormoc:

using anything from /trunk in -fixes is rather unsupported

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kormoc:

yap, your tuner might not be setup properly

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yap:

hmmm

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janneg:

hads: the cut marks in the edit screen will be off. there might be more incompatibilities

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clever`:

QSqlDatabase *m_db;

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clever`:

....

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clever`:

m_db->setHostName("127.0.0.1");

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clever`:

how would i go about making it use the unix socket instead?

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hads:

janneg: OK cheers, I'll stick the tarball versions on it then.

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** kormoc wonders why oh why did clever` bother to copy and paste all that crap before asking his question **

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clever`:

so you would know which part of the code i was talking about

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clever:

ive checked the manual for QSqlDatabase but dont see anything in there about what im looking for

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kormoc:

clever, why does it matter? you could have said, "Does anyone know if QSqlDatabase can connect to a unix socket rather then a tcp/ip socket?", or you could just lookup QSqlDatabase and see for yourself...

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clever:

i have looked up the manual on QSqlDatabase

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clever:

http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qsqldatabase.html#setHostName doesnt mention tcp or unix sockets

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kormoc:

clever, it wouldn't, as it would be under setConnectOptions

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** clever looks closer at it **

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kormoc:

but sadly, only in QT 4.x can you use a unix_socket for mysql

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clever:

and which is mythtv(svn trunk) linked to by default?

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kormoc:

no, myth is a qt 3.x only application

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clever:

ahh:(

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clever:

so enless i convert the whole thing over to 4.0 i cant do it

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kormoc:

righto joe

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clever:

i have seen scripts to aid in that on the qt site but it would cause problems anytime i svn update enless my changes get commited:P

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juski:

hads: only the edit cutmarks will be off AFAIK

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juski:

anyway hold off for a bit I'm doing heckloads of updates now

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hads:

juski: Sweet, cheers.

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yap:

oh man

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yap:

still nothin

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yap:

i scanned channels

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yap:

found about 10

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yap:

cant "watch" tho

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yap:

wassssup

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yap:

hehe

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janneg:

clever: porting mythtv to qt4 is no easy task and scripts won't help much

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

im guessing the scripts may convert some bits of code and break alot of it:P

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clever:

youll then need to understand all those bits to be able to fix them

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clever:

any plans in mythtv to do it(maybe at 0.25:P?)

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yap:

hey whats the theory of all this anyway

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juski:

clever: jesus you must be fond of a treat & a half!

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yap:

like ... select a caopture source

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yap:

then a video source

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clever:

;p;

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juski:

yap: RTFM?

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yap:

no way man

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yap:

i need the quick fix !!

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yap:

the intuative fix :)

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juski:

tsck

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juski:

not here

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yap:

hater !

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juski:

troll!

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janneg:

clever: that is still only a small part of the problem. we're uing qt3 in a way which isn't possible in qt4

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clever:

ahh what parts?

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juski:

yap: seriously though man – read the docs – they're very helpful ;)

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janneg:

port will not start before kde4 is released

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clever:

ahh:(

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clever:

so i should go and bug them to port over?:P

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juski:

yap: mythtv is one of those really complex apps you cannot just blunder through until it works. you could spend much more time changing settings you don't understand than reading the manual & _learning_ stuff

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clever:

instead of just blindly trying to input a unix socket into my db setting i went and dug the source code to see what would be done with that setting:P

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clever:

skiped the manual

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kormoc:

although you skipping the important part of the qt manual

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clever:

i checked the qt manual once i knew which qt class was in use

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clever:

and it didnt mention tcp or unix sockets

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kormoc:

Well, I guess you just missed a grasp of how QT handles things. Any options like that would be in the connection settings, and given it's missing, it doesn't support it

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i havent used qt before

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clever:

not the programing side

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juski:

that's gonna mean one hell of a lot of tickets and will no doubt (sob!) stifle development for a while

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clever:

lol

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clever:

by looking at the source and a few qt manuals i managed to increase my debuging level beyond normal

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clever:

added a extra bit of output to -v network

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clever:

12 19:07:44< clever> pastebin.ca/616845

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clever:

trying to track down the source of that error

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phake:

kormoc, my resolution prob is fixed, thanks! but if i start the frontend and want to watsch tv (channels already scanned&detected) i see only black – some seconds later it went back to mainscreen. mythtv-setup detected 2 drivers for the same card – ivtv and v4l, both wont work, if i use ivtv my x server crashes if a select "watching"

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hads:

Hmm, the new XMLTV stuff doesn't work quite the same in 20-fixes

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clever:

juski: any clue as to what might cause that pastebin?

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juski:

clever: too late for my addled brain to work right

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clever:

lol maybe hads could give the error a read

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hads:

I thought the new XMLTV stuff was backported. It seems it was only partially so third party grabbers still wono't work.

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phake:

my resolution prob is fixed, thanks! but if i start the frontend and want to watsch tv (channels already scanned&detected) i see only black – some seconds later it went back to mainscreen. mythtv-setup detected 2 drivers for the same card – ivtv and v4l, both wont work, if i use ivtv my x server crashes if a select "watching"

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clever:

did you restart the backend after changing mythtv-setup?

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phake:

yes of course

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clever:

i didnt when changing the sound input and had tons of problems:P

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clever:

was one of my first major problems with

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clever:

it

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hads:

It seems the code to find third party grabbers (tv_find_grabbers) was backported but not the handling code in mythfilldatabase. Odd.

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clever:

and was my fault:P

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phake:

yes, but i do not know why this mythtv wont run .... maybe i made a mistake, but which?

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clever:

mythbackend -v all

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clever:

also add -v all to frontend

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rooaus:

phake: Check the start on channel setting for each tuner, it is a mythtv-setup option for each tuner.

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phake:

?

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phake:

i do not understand

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rooaus:

I made some changes to my channels once and mythfrontend was trying to tune a channel that didn't exist anymore.

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rooaus:

It shows the dummy stream (black screen) while trying to tune, until it gives up.

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hads:

Bah, I'll just hard code my grabber manually.

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clever:

lol

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phake:

but i scanned all this channels ... they exist

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hads:

What timezone is stuart in again?

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juski:

which one?

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hads:

Ah, I dropped the a from stuarta :)

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juski:

UK

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hads:

Cool, I'll catch him about the XMLTV stuff later. Cheers.

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rooaus:

phake: Sorry, thats the "input connections" in mythtv-setup and check the starting channel is valid.

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juski:

and I think it was gbee who's dabbled in the xmltv grabber stuff not stuarta

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phake:

ok i changed it

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phake:

il try again

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phake:

also black

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phake:

:((

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phake:

but it doesnt switch back!

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hads:

juski: Yeah, I just saw stuarta on the commit that backports stuff to 20-fixes.

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phake:

oh sorry, now i gives up

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phake:

oh sorry, now it gives up

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juski:

phake: any changes you make to input connections or video sources / tuner cards – you need to restart the backend for them to take effect

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phake:

it restarts automatically

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hads:

Oops, it was stuartm actually.

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phake:

2007-07–14 03:03:52.708 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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phake:

2007-07–14 03:03:52.709 Using protocol version 31

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phake:

2007-07–14 03:04:32.950 TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

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phake:

2007-07–14 03:04:32.950 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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phake:

2007-07–14 03:04:32.978 TV: Deleting TV Chain in destructor

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** juski acts all innocent... **

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phake:

startrecorder? i want to watch and not record (-;

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clever:

livetv records and plays at the same time

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clever:

when you pause 'livetv' you just pause the playback and it keeps recording

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clever:

check mythbackend -v all

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phake:

yes, i kn0w (-; but why does starting startrecorder failed?

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clever:

to see if its having trouble starting the recording

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rooaus:

hads: Which grabber you using? The grabber has to support a couple of options (as you probably know) for the find_grabbers to work, some of them documented, some not.

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rooaus:

hads: Does tv_find_grabbers work from the command line?

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hads:

rooaus: It's a grabber I wrote that downloads an XML file I host for NZ. It supports all the options that XMLTV has standardised so far.

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kormoc:

phake, for your info, please don't paste into the channel, please use a pastebin as indicated in the topic

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phake:

okay

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phake:

clever, you mean mythtvfrontend -v all?

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hads:

rooaus: It appears only the code to find the grabbers has been backported. So mythtv-setup finds any grabbers but mythfilldatabase can't use them.

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clever:

phake: that paste you made looks like one from mythfrontend

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hads:

rooaus: (in 20-fixes that is, trunk is fine).

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clever:

phake: im guessing mythbackend is taking too long to start recording and respond

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phake:

one moment – ill nopaste the log

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phake:

clever, http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/12697/

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rooaus:

hads: ok. IIRC I thought the find grabbers behaviour was all that changed. ie Myth would now use the standardised xmltv discovery mecahnism. Once a grabber was found I thought it worked the same way.

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hads:

rooaus: Na, filldata.cpp in 20-fixes still has all the grabber names hard coded in it.

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phake:

how can i tune up "StartRecorder()"?

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rooaus:

hads: Cool, the source is always right.... well nearly always :)

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hads:

rooaus: In trunk it's been changed to support the --capabilities options and all that jazz.

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hads:

rooaus: :)

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rooaus:

I am trying to find the undocumented dependency, I am not sure if I updated the wiki. I think it was --desciption as well as --capabilities.

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hads:

Hold on, I remember that from a while back, I'll take a look.

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clever:

phake: it started to try and watch tv arround 2007-07–14 03:09:57.738 then crashed at about 2007-07–14 03:10:37.740 TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

[01:15:43]

phake:

yes

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clever:

took nearly 30 seconds before it gave up

[01:15:47]

phake:

how can i tune up "StartRecorder()"?

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hads:

rooaus: Yeah, I think you're right. If it doesn't have --description it won't get found.

[01:16:06]

rooaus:

--description is used to give a one line desription for the gui. See the oztvguide grabber for an example, I submitted a patch to Will for that.

[01:16:09]

clever:

increasing the timeout will probly just make it take longer before giving up

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clever:

wont fix whatever is making it take so long

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juski:

right folks updating my theme tarballs. don't touch!

[01:17:02]

hads:

Bah, I just downloaded those! :)

[01:17:20]

juski:

hads: only updated some music images & mythvideo ones

[01:17:34]

juski:

checkboxes are now in the house style :)

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hads:

OK, I won't worry then :)

[01:17:55]

rooaus:

Off to see Collingwood (my team) vs Geelong (my wifes), got to get ready. Go Pies!

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phake:

so i have to change the time for give up?

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juski:

Mmmmm pie! http://weebl.jolt.co.uk

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phake:

clever, so i have to change the time for give up? or is there any way to find out why startrecorder is to slow?

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juski:

oh noes! weebl is gone! :(

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hads:

OK, I guess I can go setup this box on-site now.

[01:19:12]

juski:

phake: it's not that it's slow. it's not configured right

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phake:

how can is configure this right?

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juski:

phake: slow down, read some docs..

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juski:

as incredible as it sounds, reading the manual can actually help!

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phake:

you have no ideas?

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kormoc:

phake, honestly, we don't know what you did or didn't do. it's not a common problem, so very unlikely we can solve it

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k-man_:

how can I turn on the real time signal strength display when watching live tv?

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JayRoe:

Hi all, I've installed myhtv along with dk_grab_tv. Everything seems to be working except the guide doesn't load the data from the fetched xmltv.

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FunkyELF:

where are the logs for this channel?

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JayRoe:

me?

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Tanthrix:

FunkyELF: It tells you when you join the chan, so scroll up.

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** FunkyELF can't scroll up that far...it is lost **

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Tanthrix:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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FunkyELF:

thanks

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Tanthrix:

np

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JayRoe:

can someone tell me why my program guide isn't being populated? mythtvfilldatabase returns this "Updated programs: 0 Unchanged programs: 608", yet nothing shows in the program guide

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JayRoe:

anyone?

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kormoc:

JayRoe, zap2it?

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JayRoe:

kormoc dk_grab_tv

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kormoc:

no idea then

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JayRoe:

kormoc it shows that there are 608 shows in the database, but none of them shows on the program guide.

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dunder:

can someone help me figure out why my frontend isn't connecting to my backend even though it's on and mysqld & mythbackend are both running. . . .

[02:06:41]

scopeuk:

dunder is tehre an error message?

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scopeuk:

and is the front end remtoe or local (is it on the same machien as the backend)

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dunder:

they're on diff machines

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scopeuk:

ok

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dunder:

and i see no error messages

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scopeuk:

is mysql configured for remote machines?

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kormoc:

dunder, run mythfrontend in a term window and it will spit out some text, might want to check in there

[02:09:18]

dunder:

i ran mythbackend and this is what i got::

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kormoc:

dunder, please use a pastebin, don't paste into the channel

[02:09:54]

dunder:

2007-07–13 21:08:45.643 Main::Starting HttpServer

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dunder:

QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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dunder:

2007-07–13 21:08:45.652 Main::HttpServer Create Error

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dunder:

2007-07–13 21:08:45.653 Main::Registering HttpStatus Extension

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dunder:

2007-07–13 21:08:45.664 mythbackend version: 0.20.20060828–3 www.mythtv.org

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dunder:

2007-07–13 21:08:45.664 Enabled verbose msgs: important general

[02:09:57]

dunder:

2007-07–13 21:08:45.665 AutoExpire: Found 2 recorders w/max rate of 144 MiB/min

[02:10:01]

dunder:

2007-07–13 21:08:45.668 AutoExpire: Required Free Space: 7.1 GB w/freq: 10 min

[02:10:03]

dunder:

QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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dunder:

2007-07–13 21:08:45.677 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting.

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scopeuk:

dunder as kormac sadi please use a paste bin

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scopeuk:

not directly into teh channel

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dunder:

that's not that much... this channel is slow trafficing

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kormoc:

dunder, channel rule

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scopeuk:

still its hwo this channel works and a general good habit

[02:10:53]

dunder:

aight.... well, what is qserversocket??

[02:11:12]

scopeuk:

was the backedn already running when you tried that?

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kormoc:

dunder, the last line is important, it means something else is already using that socket

[02:11:29]

dunder:

so, i'll just refresh everything

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dunder:

brb

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dunder:

shit...now the backend won't come up at all

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dunder:

and i have to find a vga cable... shizt!!

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chuk:

can anyone help me with some ati and myth issues (and yes, I know ATI stinks...)

[02:27:13]

chuk:

I have compiled the latest ATI drivers

[02:27:46]

chuk:

when I watch a channel on myth, it tells me "VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X shared memory video output"

[02:28:03]

chuk:

and "VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XVideo surface"

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chuk:

is there anything obvious I can try?

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kormoc:

chuk, ATI cards don't support myth, you might get it working by reverting to older drivers, but it's a crap shoot

[02:31:13]

chuk:

yeah, I've had mixed success with other ati cards

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chuk:

but the driver for this card is only in the current driver

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chuk:

I just wondered if maybe I was missing something from my xorg.conf

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kormoc:

chuk, they've dropped support for XV which myth requires

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chuk:

oh my

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chuk:

I thought it was just xvmc?

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kormoc:

chuk, http://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.as . . . tionID=26907

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chuk:

blech, I wonder if that means "not supported" as in "don't bother us"

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chuk:

or "not supported" as in "it doesn't work"

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kormoc:

likely both

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chuk:

does the linux driver support it?

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chuk:

not the proprietary one

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chuk:

the "ati" one

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kormoc:

chuk, ATI never supported XvMC, it's new that they dropped XV

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kormoc:

no idea, likely so I would imagine

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kormoc:

most oss drivers do

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kormoc:

well, most newer oss drivers at least

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cesman:

chuk: it means, don't buy our products

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chuk:

I was having a nightmare getting nvidia drivers to ignore EDID info from my monitor

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chuk:

but it works with an older radeon 8500 card

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kormoc:

cesman, they've hinted that it's only a temp removal, and that they are rewriting the entire engine and things will be 'better' then all other drivers in the future.

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chuk:

so I wanted to try a newer ATI setup, but obviously it stinks

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kormoc:

chuk, option 'useedid' false didn't work?

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chuk:

with nvidia? no

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chuk:

I tried 100 combinations

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kormoc:

hrm

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chuk:

still stuck at 640x480

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chuk:

but I can get 848x480 with my radeon card

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kormoc:

chuk, with a tv?

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chuk:

its only an EDTV plasma

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chuk:

yes, using DVI

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kormoc:

did you create your own modeline?

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chuk:

yup, ignores it

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kormoc:

you should submit a bug report, they tend to be decently fast on responding

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chuk:

I had to create my own modeline for the ati driver, but it actually worked

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chuk:

I don't think its a bug report, so much as its user error

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chuk:

but I've tried so many things

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chuk:

the biggest problem is that my monitor returns the wrong EDID

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chuk:

thats problem #1

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chuk:

I was looking into re-writing my EDID info, but that seems iffy

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kormoc:

chuk, I have this (http://pastebin.ca/618634) on a box that has bad EDID info, works for a 6200 with a custom mode line

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kormoc:

if you can pull up logs, might be able to gleam more info, maybe not

[02:51:02]

kormoc:

might need to set ExactModeTimingsDVI TRUE as well...

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chuk:

thanks, I'll give those a try

[02:52:22]

chuk:

then you use a custom modeline in the "monitor" section?

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** kormoc nods **

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chuk:

and you add that rez to the screen section too

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kormoc:

Yup

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chuk:

great, thanks for your help

[02:53:12]

kormoc:

g'luck

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kormoc:

nvidia-settings also might help, it's quite nice and sometimes can do some magic that doesn't seem sane at times :)

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chuk:

it was locked in at 640x480

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** kormoc nods **

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chuk:

but I think its because I wasn't properly ignoring edid

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chuk:

I definately didn't have as many options as you

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TUplink_:

um..... trying to get my HD tv to work..... finaly got a picture on it.... but i only get the top 1/2 of the screen... seemes to be somthing with the interlace any ideas?

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exobyte:

how can I troubleshoot commercial flagging?

[04:32:00]

exobyte:

mythcommflag says everything's flagged, but I still see commercials

[04:32:10]

kormoc:

mythcommflag isn't perfect

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exobyte:

kormoc: is there a way to look at what's been flagged?

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kormoc:

so unless you want to dive into the code and deal with figuring out better algorithms, you're sorta shit out of luck

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exobyte:

like

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exobyte:

the times when they start and stop

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kormoc:

enter the recording in edit mode and import the commflag into the cutlist

[04:33:13]

kormoc:

press e and then z when watching the recording

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exobyte:

it's not just in the db?

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kormoc:

sure it is

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kormoc:

but it's based on frame counts, which is a tad hard to figure out where they are

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exobyte:

and it seems harder to remember the password on the db

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exobyte:

edit mode?

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kormoc:

yes

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exobyte:

ummm.... where is it in the UI

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kormoc:

I quote, <kormoc> press e and then z when watching the recording

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exobyte:

oh- oops

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exobyte:

I thought you mean go into edit mode, *then* do that

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kormoc:

e is edit more, z is import

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kormoc:

press e or z to exit out

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

e or escape

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exobyte:

ahh... so it did find some commercials

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exobyte:

thank you

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kormoc:

no problems

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[R]:

is there anyway to make an hdtv icon show up in the guide?

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TTT_Travis:

what is the most lightweight desktop environment to run on mythtv frontends?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think a lot use ratpoison. I use a stripped down fvwm2.

[05:13:32]

TTT_Travis:

thats what I was thinking

[05:13:38]

TTT_Travis:

how do I actually set ratpoison?

[05:13:53]

TTT_Travis:

when I click session on the gdm login it only lists xfce

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TTT_Travis:

and failsafe

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cesman:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Window_Managers

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cesman:

TTT_Travis: is ratpoison installed?

[05:14:26]

TTT_Travis:

yes

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TTT_Travis:

I have used fluxbox before is it much different then ratpoison?

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cesman:

I've not used ratpoison

[05:16:20]

cesman:

fluxbox is what I ship w/ KnoppMyth

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TTT_Travis:

I will give it a shot

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TTT_Travis:

how do I actually make them show up under the session menu on the login screen

[05:17:13]

TTT_Travis:

do I need to restart gdm?

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cesman:

Google it

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TTT_Travis:

ok

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TTT_Travis:

ahh fluxbox showed up automatically

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cesman:

floss! where is my floss?

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TUplink_:

um... what port number is the remote control for the frontend

[05:45:43]

TUplink_:

by default...

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TUplink_:

i think i changed it

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captlloyd:

right now I have lirc working, I see my button presses with irw, but now what do I need to to get Myth to use the remote? I made a ~/.lircrc and a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file

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captlloyd:

I'm wondering if I left something out when I compiled

[06:00:51]

clever:

im guessing libqt3-mt-dev is one of the packages i need to rebuild mythtv

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Anduin:

captlloyd: mythfrontend --version will let you know if lirc was compiled in

[06:01:30]

captlloyd:

That sounds familiar from when I compiled clever

[06:01:36]

captlloyd:

Thanks Anduin :)

[06:01:38]

clever:

good:)

[06:01:47]

clever:

i just guessed from a apt-cache search

[06:01:58]

clever:

still getting it

[06:02:03]

captlloyd:

I had one library I needed that I felt was a lucky guess

[06:02:08]

captlloyd:

it might have been that one

[06:02:28]

clever:

lol

[06:02:31]

clever:

this one is pulling in 40mb of others

[06:02:45]

clever:

causing my tmpfs to swell up

[06:04:04]

captlloyd:

so if i had lirc compiled in, it would say something like 'using_lirc' in the version string?

[06:04:25]

clever:

check mythfrontend --versoin

[06:04:29]

clever:

sion*

[06:04:31]

captlloyd:

yeah

[06:04:53]

captlloyd:

I don't see anything that says lirc in it, so I'll have to go back and fix that

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Tanthrix:

captlloyd: IIRC myth just looks in .mythtv/lircrc, but mplayer and xine default to ~/.lircrc, so it's best to put everything in the latter, then a symlink for the former

[06:10:44]

captlloyd:

Yeah, didn't have lirc support, installed liblircclient-dev package and ./configure finds it and enables it.

[06:10:49]

captlloyd:

now just to wait for a compile

[06:11:45]

TTT_Travis:

I am using GDM autologin and that logs my tv user into a fluxbox env — how can I automatically launch irxeven and mythtv?

[06:12:04]

cecil:

~/.fluxbox/apps

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cesman:

[startup] {mythtv}

[06:13:05]

cesman:

[startup] {irxevent}

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TTT_Travis:

perfect

[06:13:12]

TTT_Travis:

thanks

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cesman:

you're welcome

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ShockValue:

this is kinda OT, but its a question about my mythbox.. ive exported a directory as (rw,etc,etc) on my media server via NFS. on the client side, I can mount it just fine, and root has no trouble accessing the files

[06:19:12]

ShockValue:

but the regular users cant enter the directories

[06:19:31]

ShockValue:

ash: cd: /NAS: Permission denied

[06:19:45]

ShockValue:

drw-rw-rw- 7 nobody nogroup 176 2007-07–13 17:22 NAS

[06:19:57]

ShockValue:

any thoughts on what im screwing up? :)

[06:21:10]

ShockValue:

exports: /media 10.1.1.20(async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check,rw)

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[06:23:46]

** clever installs lame dev **

[06:25:26]

** clever errors **

[06:26:03]

clever:

http://pastebin.ca/618828

[06:26:17]

clever:

that shows me installing lame dev and then configure failing because it needs lame

[06:26:19]

clever:

this is lame:P

[06:27:04]

ShockValue:

hrm, thats weird

[06:27:08]

hads:

No, that shows you installing libtwolame-dev

[06:27:15]

kormoc:

libtwolame != liblame

[06:27:19]

ShockValue:

i dont know much about apt-get though, so i dunno

[06:27:20]

clever:

apt-cache search lame|grep dev

[06:27:20]

clever:

libtwolame-dev – MPEG Audio Layer 2 encoder (development files)

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[06:27:26]

clever:

no other results

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clever:

what might it be called under this debianish system?

[06:27:48]

cesman:

clever: welcome to my world ;)

[06:27:53]

clever:

lol

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hads:

Ummm... liblame-dev

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kormoc:

clever, http://www.twolame.org/ "API very similar to LAME's (for easy porting)", similar != the same

[06:28:47]

** cesman suggest clever google debian multimedia... **

[06:28:50]

clever:

lol

[06:29:03]

kormoc:

cesman, clever isn't clever enough to use google

[06:29:09]

** clever pokes hads with E: Couldn't find package liblame-dev **

[06:29:28]

** hads doesn't respond well to pokes **

[06:29:37]

clever:

lol

[06:29:41]

clever:

your package wasnt found:P

[06:30:07]

kormoc:

clever, http://www.google.com/search?q=+site%3Apackages.debian.org++lame

[06:30:47]

clever:

same results as what i found pretty much

[06:30:54]

clever:

toolame twolame and flame

[06:31:11]

hads:

Well, install at the mates went well, except for the fact that his TV has only composite input.

[06:31:26]

kormoc:

then you're foobared unless you follow cesman's suggestion

[06:32:54]

hads:

So I've got pink and green borders on vertical lines for some reason. That's a job for another day.

[06:33:05]

clever:

found liblame0 but only python depends on it

[06:33:15]

clever:

was expecting to find a dev package depending on the lib

[06:33:50]

clever:

cant even see the package liblame0

[06:34:02]

clever:

missing package in the tree:S

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hads:

At a guess lame isn't compatible with Debian's package policy.

[06:34:32]

clever:

but python-lame(which depends on the missing liblame0) is in the system

[06:34:40]

clever:

and its actualy a knoppix livecd

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** cesman wonders if anyone follows his suggestions :P **

[06:35:12]

clever:

lol

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hads:

Seems clever doesn't.

[06:35:21]

ShockValue:

shouldnt a joe-schmoe user be able to access this directory? "drw-rw-rw- 7 nobody nogroup 176 2007-07–13 17:22 NAS"

[06:35:24]

clever:

not yet:P

[06:35:39]

hads:

ShockValue: You need x to list the contents

[06:35:54]

ShockValue:

crap, seriously?

[06:35:59]

ShockValue:

man i suck

[06:36:00]

cesman:

clever: you are only trying to do what I did four years ago :P

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clever:

lol

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cesman:

tiem for more tequila

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** hads drools over tequila **

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ShockValue:

take this you bastard files! chmod -Rc 777 /NAS

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cesman:

hads: if you've ever in Ca, we can see who does the most shots

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** clever mixes packages from ubuntu into knoppix **

[06:37:18]

hads:

cesman: That's a long way from me :)

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ShockValue:

canada or california? :)

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captlloyd:

*sigh* still no lirc in myth

[06:38:47]

captlloyd:

Its compiled in now

[06:39:02]

captlloyd:

irw shows the that the buttons are working

[06:39:40]

captlloyd:

my ~/mythtv/lircrc file has button names the correspond to the names that are in my lircd.conf file, and that show in irw

[06:39:44]

captlloyd:

What else could I be doing wrong?

[06:39:57]

ShockValue:

.mythtv right? not mythtv ?

[06:40:02]

captlloyd:

yeah

[06:40:04]

captlloyd:

:)

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captlloyd:

When I press power it should be doing the same thing as pressing escape on the keyboard I think

[06:40:31]

ShockValue:

and ~/.mythtv/lircrc points to ~/.lircrc ?

[06:40:37]

captlloyd:

begin

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captlloyd:

prog = mythtv

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captlloyd:

button = Power

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captlloyd:

config = Esc

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captlloyd:

end

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cecil:

damn it

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captlloyd:

Is there a way I can see if myth is talking to lirc?

[06:41:45]

kormoc:

run the frontend in a term window and see if it says it is or not

[06:41:45]

ShockValue:

"Power" is mapped in your /etc config file?

[06:41:47]

captlloyd:

lircd doesn't wanna accept -L for logging in it

[06:42:15]

captlloyd:

yeah, Power is in my lircd.conf file

[06:42:40]

captlloyd:

Power 0x00007bf3

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cesman:

perhaps lircd -L --logfile=~/lirc.log

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cesman:

or something like that....

[06:42:50]

captlloyd:

It will not accept it

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ShockValue:

hads: thanks for pointing out my dumb permission issue :) working fine now

[06:42:58]

captlloyd:

--logfile or -L

[06:43:06]

cesman:

no

[06:43:12]

cesman:

it needs both

[06:43:16]

captlloyd:

Oh

[06:43:17]

hads:

ShockValue: No worries, it's probably not immediately obvious.

[06:43:43]

ShockValue:

my brain was in w1nd3rz mode :)

[06:43:45]

captlloyd:

lircd: invalid option — L

[06:44:01]

captlloyd:

# lircd lircd -L --logfile=~/lirc.log

[06:44:12]

captlloyd:

the lirc I did not compile myself, it was a package

[06:44:19]

captlloyd:

perhaps that's what I need to do, compile it myself

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cesman:

try lircd -h

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captlloyd:

does not show any options for logging with -h, but the manpage does

[06:46:34]

cesman:

depending how how lirc was compiled, it maybe dumping to syslog...

[06:50:42]

cesman:

later folks

[06:51:38]

captlloyd:

Yeah, It was

[06:51:40]

captlloyd:

Laters

[06:51:53]

captlloyd:

Doesn't show any connections when I start mythfrontend

[06:52:05]

captlloyd:

but does when I start irw

[06:52:22]

kormoc:

<kormoc> run the frontend in a term window and see if it says it is or not

[06:53:37]

captlloyd:

I get no messages about lirc

[06:53:41]

captlloyd:

in the terminal

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kormoc:

then likely your mythtv wasn't compiled with lirc support

[06:55:07]

captlloyd:

when I pass it --version it says "using_lirc" as one of the options

[06:55:14]

kormoc:

hrm

[06:55:28]

kormoc:

mine talks about attempting to talk to lirc socket... I thought...

[06:55:39]

captlloyd:

I just recompiled it with lirc support, wonder if there's anything that could have been left behind from before

[06:56:46]

captlloyd:

Maybe I didn't do a make clean

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captlloyd:

Thanks for all the help.

[07:01:50]

captlloyd:

gotta wake up in a few hours

[07:03:57]

hads:

kormoc: Yeah I'm sure I've seen that too.

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captlloyd:

Yeah, that's all it was

[07:21:35]

captlloyd:

Not doing a make clean between compiles made it show that lirc was compiled in, but did not actually enable lirc

[07:22:04]

Dagmar:

ouch

[07:22:11]

Dagmar:

Allow me to suggest scripting your builds.

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captlloyd:

This was the first time I'd built it, well ok, second

[07:22:34]

captlloyd:

I don't even have a tuner card yet :)

[07:22:38]

Dagmar:

Which source tree did you use?

[07:22:59]

Dagmar:

0.20, 0.20-fixes, or trunk?

[07:23:43]

captlloyd:

0.20 pretty sure

[07:23:53]

Dagmar:

Ah, see, now there's a reason to build it again right there.

[07:24:08]

Dagmar:

0.20-fixes eliminates a number of bugs you'll see in 0.20

[07:24:13]

Dagmar:

_crash_ bugs

[07:24:16]

captlloyd:

Ahh

[07:24:27]

captlloyd:

I'll have to compile mplayer too I think

[07:24:49]

Dagmar:

trunk isn't really worth bothering with unless you have a couple of particular types of tuner cards, or you're good at debugging C++, because it doesn't even always build correctly.

[07:24:51]

captlloyd:

I bet the version that I installed from my package manager doesn't support lirc

[07:25:02]

Dagmar:

You're planning on using mplayer for what?

[07:25:05]

hads:

If you really need mplayer. The Internal player is pretty good IMHO.

[07:25:13]

captlloyd:

ahh

[07:25:23]

captlloyd:

it was using it by default for the videos I was playing

[07:25:33]

Dagmar:

I have it built because there's some stuff that _can_ use it, but you definitely don't need it with 0.20-fixes

[07:25:41]

hads:

Yeah, just change it to 'Internal'

[07:25:47]

captlloyd:

ok, i'll try it

[07:26:00]

captlloyd:

if it works that'd be a lot lot easier for me

[07:26:24]

hads:

No setting up extra lirc stuff etc. etc.

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Dagmar:

The _same_ OSD and controls is a big plus

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Dagmar:

but anyway, if you _script_ your build process, you can re-use that script between builds and not have to worry about whether you accidentally left out some odd configure argument

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captlloyd:

Yeah, its a good idea

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Dagmar:

...because THAT is a *common* mistake, and it *will* bone you when it happens

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hads:

And ccache is a winner.

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Dagmar:

Meh I don't like ccache

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hads:

You don't like a lot :)

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Dagmar:

I worry that gcc is going to screw me as it is

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captlloyd:

Hey, you guys have been a huge help

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Dagmar:

I don't need it behaving like the typical craptacular web load balancer

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captlloyd:

Thanks, laters

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Dagmar:

Man we just got a load balancer at the office and the stupid thing *rsyncs* it's cache to the second unit

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Dagmar:

I'm about >< close to strongly suggesting they just set up a f**king pair of squid boxes in accellerator mode

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Dagmar:

...or course what will happen first is I'll suggest we beat the crap out of some of the in-house developers who don't understand what an Expires: header is about

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Nik_Doof:

do i need a specific driver version to use my fx 5200 with chromakey osd?

[09:49:15]

k-man_:

anyone know how to ensure my usb remote always appears on the same device (/dev/input/eventX) so lirc can find it?

[09:49:23]

k-man_:

it seems to keep changing for some reason

[09:49:55]

juski:

Nik_Doof: don't think so, but if you use xvmc it won't support partial transparency

[09:49:59]

juski:

k-man_: udev rules

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k-man_:

juski, ok.... can you give me a few more clues?

[09:50:22]

juski:

k-man_: meaning what?

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k-man_:

juski, so your saying i should not use /dev/input/whatever and use udev?

[09:50:41]

Nik_Doof:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini

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Nik_Doof:

seems to be some notes on there on how to alias it :)

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Nik_Doof:

juski: nah im just trying to get a colour osd :)

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k-man_:

juski, or are you saying i should lookup something called "udev rules"?

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juski:

Nik_Doof: then you must be using xvmc is your osd is mono

[09:52:03]

juski:

k-man_: I'm saying you should look into something called 'udev rules'

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k-man_:

juski, oh... i thought you were saying "udev rules (the world)"

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k-man_:

thanks juski

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juski:

udev does not rule, but it's better than what's been before it

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Nik_Doof:

lol so very true

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juski:

Nik_Doof: see the wiki about Xvmc to find out how to enable chromakey osd

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Nik_Doof:

tried it, but it doesnt seem to work

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Nik_Doof:

hence me asking about a specific version :)

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juski:

Nik_Doof: you'd have to restart mythfrontend I think

[09:57:50]

juski:

you're not using the gray-osd are ya? lol

[09:57:56]

Nik_Doof:

lol no :)

[09:59:46]

Nik_Doof:

mmm gonna try upping my nvidia driver, see if that helps

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Nik_Doof:

didnt fix it, but now my cpu usage has dropped another 10%

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k-man_:

so after i set up a new rule with udev, should i just unplug the device and plug it back in to see if the rule works?

[10:10:31]

k-man_:

or how do i test it?

[10:12:08]

Pete_:

I've switched a frontend with a remote (ati remote wonder II) to ubuntu, I just can't get it to play nice with lirc, (Had it working well on suse). Anyone here using a similar remote with myth?

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darmou:

do I need to compile mythtv for dvb or does the ubuntu version come with dvb out of the box?

[10:23:29]

juski:

ubuntu's packages are built with dvb support

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darmou:

ok how do you scan for dvb channels?

[10:23:57]

Pete_:

With mythtv-setup

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juski:

darmou: stop flailing around pressing random buttons & read some docs man

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Pete_:

Its a shame the ati_remote2 kernel module doesn't do the trick, damn lirc

[10:25:51]

juski:

darmou: I strongly recommend you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

[10:26:01]

juski:

that's *STRONGLY*

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darmou:

I knew about mythtv-setup when I did a scan I looked for us channels so I will check out that doc juski thanks

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darmou:

that is a great guide juski, wish I'd found it earlier sigh

[10:33:13]

juski:

saves you arsing about pressing random buttons eh

[10:35:26]

biohazd:

hey guys

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biohazd:

can i view chanels from svideo in and also coax in ?

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juski:

biohazd: not at the same time, no

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biohazd:

but i should be able t change channels ?

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juski:

if you configure them right, yesh

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biohazd:

press channel button to view coax chnaeels and then goto svideo channel

[10:37:13]

biohazd:

hmm now to try configure it

[10:37:38]

biohazd:

do i use same video source ?

[10:38:00]

biohazd:

when running scan. it shows it adding lots of channels

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juski:

biohazd: only if the channel lineup is exactly the same otherwise you've got to make a new video source

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juski:

and you CANNOT scan svideo for channels

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biohazd:

yes svide will be one channel :)

[10:39:00]

biohazd:

so do i need 2 xml feeds ?

[10:39:04]

juski:

what?

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juski:

make a new video source & bind it to the svideo input

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biohazd:

set 2 video sources

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juski:

make a new video source & bind it to the svideo input

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biohazd:

one for svideo (cable tv)

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biohazd:

one for tuner in

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biohazd:

cool

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biohazd:

ehe its working.. thanks

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biohazd:

why odes it try download radio times channels everytime i quit backend ?

[10:44:05]

Nik_Doof:

the /usr/bin/mythtv-setup is a script, which calls mythtv-setup.real

[10:44:38]

juski:

yeah the ubuntu stuff is a bit backwards like that – they assume the users are too thick to cope with anything else (which is mostly right)

[10:44:42]

Nik_Doof:

think it maybe a ubuntu addition

[10:45:44]

Nik_Doof:

i usually just ssh in and call .real after i've shutdown the backend

[10:45:56]

Nik_Doof:

saves hassles and having to vnc to the box

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biohazd:

i scanned the tuner channels

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biohazd:

but cant sem to chnage to them with remote

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biohazd:

any idea ?

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biohazd:

i only see the svideo channel

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juski:

hahahaha I'm such a traitor!

[10:53:02]

juski:

I got xbmc running on ubuntu

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juski:

they've still got all that stupid drive letter stuff going on but it work!

[10:56:08]

juski:

kin amazing

[10:59:16]

Nik_Doof:

i liked the look of xbmc, there was a guy at LRL demoing it

[10:59:33]

Nik_Doof:

just got to find a cheap xbox :)

[11:00:00]

juski:

it's great apart from the fact it's built with ILLEGAL TOOLS

[11:00:07]

Nik_Doof:

oh?

[11:00:18]

juski:

yeah you need the MS XDK to build it

[11:00:29]

Nik_Doof:

ummm, thats not good

[11:00:34]

juski:

nope

[11:00:57]

juski:

he was conveniently forgetting to tell people it was built with 1337 tools

[11:01:17]

juski:

and some of his media content was from er.. questionable places

[11:01:39]

juski:

you shoulda said hello if you were at LRL last weekend

[11:02:20]

Nik_Doof:

i was all over the place, wandered over to the myth stand then spent 10mins watching the F1 :)

[11:02:43]

juski:

well, we ain't wasting our time next year

[11:03:21]

juski:

LRL is only the UK's premiere OSS event because there's no other

[11:03:30]

juski:

LWE doesn't count cos it's commercial

[11:03:36]

Nik_Doof:

true

[11:04:04]

juski:

hahah so much for most of xbmc being worky in linux – it won't play videos!

[11:04:08]

juski:

roflmao

[11:04:16]

Nik_Doof:

wtf?

[11:04:41]

juski:

didn't the guy at LRL tell you?

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juski:

they're porting it to linux

[11:04:58]

Nik_Doof:

he mentioned it

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juski:

a lot of it works, seemingly

[11:05:05]

juski:

except media playback

[11:05:18]

juski:

figured it'd be too good to be true this early in the day

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Nik_Doof:

but i didnt really listen to him on that, i was more interested in using it with upnp client

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juski:

doesn't work with mythtv

[11:06:06]

Nik_Doof:

ahh balls to that idea then

[11:06:24]

juski:

I keep trying it with newer 'r3l3@5e5' as & when I see em 'available' – no dice as yet

[11:06:36]

juski:

xbox is noisy & fugly anyways

[11:07:02]

juski:

not that you could tell last weekend with all that furgin metal blaring out :-\

[11:07:10]

Nik_Doof:

lol

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Nik_Doof:

really need to look at gettting a mini-itx then

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juski:

wouldn't recommend that either

[11:08:02]

Nik_Doof:

as i've got a old laptop running my frontend upstairs, but it sounds like a harrier jump jet

[11:08:22]

juski:

I use an epia m10k for a frontend & performance is VERY hit & miss

[11:08:55]

juski:

my old athlon 800 that I used at LRL fares way better

[11:09:21]

juski:

thing is, it's impossible to keep an 800mhz athlon cool quietly in a small box

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Nik_Doof:

a athlon xp?

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juski:

up

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Nik_Doof:

then again, that laptop has a mobile althon

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Nik_Doof:

probably why its so loud

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juski:

anyway – well done xbmc linux port guys – it works a lot better than I thought it would at this early stage

[11:11:49]

juski:

I don't even think it's been 2 months since they announced plans to port it

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juski:

the UI is already done

[11:12:14]

juski:

took the directx & turned it to opengl, just like that

[11:12:29]

Nik_Doof:

not bad for 2 months

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juski:

why don't they turn their attention to a proper media centre app though? ;)

[11:13:18]

juski:

instead of concentrating on all that 1337 crap?

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JayRoe:

does anyone know if it's possible to make lirc do a "ctrl + key"?

[11:17:24]

juski:

config = Ctrl+$key

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JayRoe:

thanks juski

[11:18:26]

juski:

that'll prolly only work in mythtv's lircrc file though, not for irexec or whatever

[11:18:47]

JayRoe:

only need it for myth =)

[11:19:22]

captlloyd:

does the internal player in myth support volume control?

[11:19:43]

Pete_:

It controls the system PCM by default usually doesn't it

[11:20:10]

captlloyd:

I'll have to play with the settings then when I get back, it isn't controlling it with my remote right now

[11:20:59]

Pete_:

On some systems I've noticed the pcm control does nothing, I think you can change which volume the controls in myth use somewhere

[11:21:36]

captlloyd:

what keys on the keyboard adjust volume by default?

[11:21:40]

juski:

[ ]

[11:21:44]

juski:

RTFM

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Pete_:

Its the square brackets

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captlloyd:

ooh yeah, that works

[11:22:14]

captlloyd:

just have to change my remote settings

[11:25:22]

Nik_Doof:

are radio times listings updated on a daily basis?

[11:25:38]

juski:

yes

[11:25:54]

juski:

only daily though, no more than that

[11:29:23]

Nik_Doof:

a weekly download of all listsings wont be too bad for RT will it?

[11:29:46]

Nik_Doof:

in the sense of downloading all the .dat files so a modded xmltv grabber can run off the files locally

[11:30:05]

juski:

nah

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juski:

I've started taking my listings 48 hourly

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Nik_Doof:

usually they cover the next 10–12 days dont they?

[11:34:39]

juski:

more than that even

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juski:

14 days

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Nik_Doof:

just about to say, never for me, but i checked and i've got 13 days

[11:36:43]

juski:

well, near enough & it's FREE :D

[11:37:06]

juski:

no messy signups or surveys, and it's not gonna end on Sept 1st (touch wood)

[11:37:11]

Nik_Doof:

true

[11:37:23]

Nik_Doof:

well, RT is partially funded by the beeb isnt it?

[11:37:44]

juski:

hmmm xmltv.radiotimes.beeb.com ... let me think...

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Nik_Doof:

lol

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laga:

+

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janneg:

-

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laga:

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biohazd:

hey guys

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biohazd:

if i have been watching live tv for 30 minuts

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biohazd:

can i press record now and it will record the last 30 minutes too ?

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juski:

biohazd: try it & see

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janneg:

biohazd: it's already recorded

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juski:

since mythtv records everything anyway.. er..

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juski:

all pressing R will do is make mythtv keep it

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juski:

blimey commits are busy today :)

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laga:

:)

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laga:

yup

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janneg:

yeah, I'm trying to get rid of a couple of bugs

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** laga praises janneg **

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GodSyn_:

help please : server : myth frontend can talk to myth backend. no IP binding on server (mysql). remote: "could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? (yes) Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct? (yes)" how should i go about troubleshooting?

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FunkyELF:

can someone point me to a place that describes the tables in the database?

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laga:

GodSyn_: the error message says it all.

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FunkyELF:

I'm interested in the recordedmarkup table

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janneg:

FunkyELF: wiki.mythtv.org

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GodSyn_:

laga : I am able to connect to the master backend via "mysql -h192.168.1.100 -u mythtv -p" from the remote PC no problem.

[13:55:21]

GodSyn_:

I've confirmed that mythbackend is working, and have connected to it.

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GodSyn_:

from the server, to the server.

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Daviey:

GodSyn_: Your certaiwn that you can connect to mysql manually from the remote machine?

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GodSyn_:

yap

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Daviey:

'cause that's all mythfrontend is doing under the hood

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GodSyn_:

and i've checked and rechecked the ip/user/pass in setup on the remote machine.

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laga:

um

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GodSyn_:

mirrored all (except the localhost / ip) from the servers IP.

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Daviey:

GodSyn_: try starting the frontend with verbose on

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laga:

why do you people keep asking about mysql? it can't connect to the *backend*

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GodSyn_:

Daviey: will do.

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laga:

GodSyn_: what ip addresses have you entered in mythtv-setup on the backend?

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Daviey:

GodSyn_: then you can see what it is trying to do with the database

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GodSyn_:

laga : looking

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GodSyn_:

192.168.1.100

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laga:

GodSyn_: did you enter that in both fields?

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GodSyn_:

nope :) (have now)

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GodSyn_:

mythfilldatabase time?

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laga:

it should be working now

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GodSyn_:

<4

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GodSyn_:

*<3

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GodSyn_:

thanks a ton

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GodSyn_:

thank you again.. i'm impressed that this is so responsive for streaming..

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phake:

if i run mythfilldatabase --manuel i get a msg: ERROR: No channels selected, aborting. Please run me with --configure.

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phake:

so i have to run tv_grab_de_prisma --configure? right?

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laga:

yes.

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phake:

okay, to keep it easy for testing i only added 1 channel

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phake:

but mythfilldatase brings the same error .... :((

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laga:

are you running svn trunk?

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phake:

what does this mean?

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laga:

you're not running svn trunk then

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laga:

phake: you have to use mythfilldatabase --file

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laga:

do you speak german? /join #mythtv-de then

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phake:

okay, thx

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justdave:

hmm, so I was having aspect ratio problems with some videos with mplayer the other day, and someone suggested to change the player to Internal instead

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justdave:

which worked great for some of them, but the Internal player on the version I'm running apparently hangs the machine if you try to play H.264 content with it

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justdave:

discovered the file types overrides since then...

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justdave:

attempting to set the default back to mplayer and using the filetype overrides for types I know the Internal player can handle...

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justdave:

I have: mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv "%s"

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justdave:

however, when attempting to play a video, it flashes briefly and goes back to the summary screen for that video

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justdave:

if I tail the frontend log while doing it, it shows a bunch of errors that indicate that it's breaking up the filename on the spaces and trying it as a bunch of different files

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justdave:

(none of which exist because it's just one filename)

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justdave:

I was thinking the "" around the %s should have handled that (and seems like it did before). what am I missing?

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stormy|:

hey all, if I was doing a DVD burn, and I reboot my mythtv box, will the burn be okay?

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justdave:

unlikely

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justdave:

depends if it actually started burning or not I suppose

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stormy|:

yeah

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stormy|:

it's locked up :x

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justdave:

if it actualy started burning you probably have a coaster

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stormy|:

haha yeah

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stormy|:

oh well.. just a dvd to waste no?

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subx:

just burn another u tight git

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stormy|:

you're so kind subx :)

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subx:

:p

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stormy|:

;p

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subx:

and i dont care about global warming either

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subx:

fluxbox makes a excellent windows manager, especially for mythtv

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justdave:

ooh, interesting.

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justdave:

mythvideo must be smart enough to add the "" itself now (didn't used to be)

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justdave:

so my "" around the %s was canceling it out

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justdave:

got rid of the "" and it started working

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JayRoe:

Can someone help me with this: "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"

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justdave:

make sure the password for your mythtv user in mysql actually matches the one in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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JayRoe:

justdave how do I restart the msql server? I just changed the password

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justdave:

how/where did you change it?

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JayRoe:

in mysql.txt

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justdave:

shouldn't need to restart it to pick it up

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justdave:

mysql.txt is the password mythtv uses to try to connect to the database

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justdave:

do you know it matches the one for the mythtv user in the database?

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JayRoe:

it shold

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JayRoe:

should

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justdave:

just run mythfrontend again

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justdave:

might have to restart myth-backend

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JayRoe:

thanks justdave, that did it :D

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JayRoe:

is mythweather supposed to look ill-coded or is it possible I did something wrong?

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justdave:

JayRoe: it does screen scraping, and the service it scrapes changed their layout recently

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justdave:

so it's basically broken until it gets updated to use the new page layout or a different service

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JayRoe:

ah, I'll stop troubleshooting it then :P

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JayRoe:

do you know if it's possible to add ones own rss feeds to mythnews?

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justdave:

yeah, there's a news setup under information in the setup screens I think

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JayRoe:

I found that one, but it'll only l let me select feeds from a list.

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justdave:

I was sure there was someplace to add them, but I can't look right now because the kids are watching something

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stormy|:

anyone have a good .htaccess file for their mythweb?

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JayRoe:

no problem dave, I'm still looking aroudn for a solution

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Mr_Grieves_:

strange strange strange...I was using an external USB ext3 partition for my partitions, now I'm using IDE XFS. Whenever I watch live video the playback is choppy. I also upgraded to SVN...would it be the hardware or software thats likely to be responsible for this behavior

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acorn_electron:

Mr_Grieves_, While watching live TV try to pause for a few seconds (e.g. 10) and see if it's any better when you press play. If it is, then this might point to a write problem rather than a read problem. Somewhere to start?

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Mr_Grieves_:

acorn_electron: it is still choppy after that. I'm going to try using 0.20-fixes just in case it is svn. If not, I may just switch the recordings back over to the USB.

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acorn_electron:

Mr_Grieves_, worth checking DMA is enabled on your IDE drives first. What distro?

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Mr_Grieves_:

Something else I just thought of. My recordings directory is a symlink on the USB drive to the IDE. Would the symlink across partitions be slowing it down?

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Mr_Grieves_:

acorn_electron: gentoo

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Mr_Grieves_:

acorn_electron: DMA is enabled in the kernel, right?

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acorn_electron:

I would expect it to enable it by default, but I have no direct experience of gentoo. as root (e.g. use sudo) do hdparm -i /dev/hda (replace hda with the correct drive)

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acorn_electron:

re symlink, I doubt it, but again, no direct experience so couldn't say for certain

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biohazd:

hey guys

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biohazd:

im watching a program and am 20 minutes into it

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biohazd:

live tv

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biohazd:

how do i record it fro mthe begining ?

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Mr_Grieves_:

dma is off. lemme play with that first :)

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biohazd:

any ideas ?

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acorn_electron:

biohazd, Have you been it since the beginning?

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acorn_electron:

been *watching* it since the beginning?

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laga:

wow

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laga:

i totally missed the mythweather-revamp merge

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Mr_Grieves_:

dma helps, though it seems to keep disabling itself with CRC errors. I'm trying some other -X options...-X66 (udma2) seems to be doing fine so far :D

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acorn_electron:

Mr_Grieves_, good news! Fairly easy fix then?

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laga:

Mr_Grieves_: "CRC errors" doesn't sound good

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Mr_Grieves_:

fairly :) I'm just crossing my fingers that udma2 sticks. I was more than a little confused that an IDE drives was having problems where a USB drive was working fine :)

[16:39:39]

Mr_Grieves_:

laga: no they don't :( I just got these drives off ebay. Ya get what you pay for.

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Mr_Grieves_:

But 2 320GB WD drives for ~$100...couldn't pass that up!

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acorn_electron:

Mr_Grieves_, Are using an 80 wire ide cable?

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Mr_Grieves_:

I'm not sure honestly. It's a standard one that came with a newish motherboard

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Mr_Grieves_:

~10 minutes and no CRC problems. The other modes were disabling themselves about 30 seconds into live video

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acorn_electron:

it should be then. If it turns out to be a 40 wire that won't help udma at full speed

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Mr_Grieves_:

ah. Well, so far udma is doing it for me :)

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cycom:

Hey, what's a good USB capture card that has good support, and that I can just go buy rather than ordering it online?

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cycom:

I've been hunting around, and all I can find is these cards at best buy that no-one seems to be able to get working.

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Beirdo:

heya, kormoc

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Beirdo:

you find time to put the FAQ wiki on the mythtv wiki yet?

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kormoc:

Mornin' Beirdo

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kormoc:

I did indeed

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Beirdo:

niiice

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kormoc:

Heh, yeah, a bit of it was duplicated already, but I put in the differences and it's rather good

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Beirdo:

beautiful

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Beirdo:

split between the FAQ page and IRC page, I take it

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kormoc:

and a few specific pages like bttv and the like, aye

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Beirdo:

cool

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Beirdo:

Thank you for your fine work :)

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kormoc:

You're very welcome :)

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Beirdo:

I guess we should change the topic?

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Beirdo:

point it at the IRC page, I guess

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kormoc:

Yeah, I was wondering bout that

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kormoc:

on one hand, seems wasteful of space, other hand, no one will read it otherwise

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Beirdo:

yeah

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Beirdo:

there :)

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kormoc:

:)

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Beirdo:

and it gets the old wiki out of the topic, so I can disable it

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Beirdo:

actually, I think I'll put in a redirect

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Beirdo:

in a moment, after I use the facilities

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** kormoc pokes at cocoa programming **

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Beirdo:

OK, basic redirect is there, now to do it the apache way :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and done

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Beirdo:

RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC [L,R=permanent]

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Beirdo:

muhahaha

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** kormoc laughs **

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Beirdo:

in the wiki/ subdir of course

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kormoc:

How bad would it be if I codenamed my Cocoa IRC app Chocolate IRC?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

as long as it isn't "Swiss Miss IRC" or something

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

I just really don't like any of the current OS X irc clients, so I'm gonna have a go at writing my own. Also should be a good intro into objective c, and os x programming

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah

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Beirdo:

and if it's cool enough, lots of others will use it

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** kormoc nods **

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laga:

use ssh and irssi? ;)

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Beirdo:

hush, laga ;)

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laga:

:)

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Beirdo:

kormoc wants to exercise his coding muscles

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Beirdo:

;)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

laga, I like having more of a gui :)

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Dagmar:

Okay/ The british are officially bastards

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kormoc:

ooh?

[17:43:18]

Dagmar:

Yes. Absolutely.

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Dagmar:

Example: http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/dr-who-phone-charms/index.html

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Dagmar:

That *and* the USB hub are both marked "Not for USA"

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

well, the power IS different

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Dagmar:

OKay, it's one thing to make us wait a year for the new season DVDs, but it's entirely another to forbid the sale of toys overseas

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laga:

" [..] which, when your mobile rings, will spin and flash"

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laga:

omg

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Dagmar:

You're telling me a _battery powered_ device uses different power

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GreyFoxx:

It's funny cause the page gievs you the price in USD as well

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Beirdo:

well, the dongle may not work well as the US uses different RF ranges for cell than the UK and the rest of the world

[17:45:13]

Beirdo:

just a thought

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Dagmar:

The hub is also an unpowered hub

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Beirdo:

heh

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Dagmar:

They're just being bastards about this

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm

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Dagmar:

Greedy, selfish bastards

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Beirdo:

maybe they just wanna stick it to the yanks

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** GreyFoxx see's if they will ship to Canada **

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Dagmar:

I'm thining about emailing Play-Asa

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Dagmar:

er Play-Asia.

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Dagmar:

They

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Dagmar:

They'll practically ship me surplus Chinese children if I ask nicely

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Beirdo:

being a Canadian who couldn't get ANYTHING from places like newegg, I have little sympathy for Americans who can't get stuff from elsewhere :)

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Beirdo:

unless it's Cuba of course

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah

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GreyFoxx:

That too :)

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Beirdo:

and now I'm in PR, and many things say "continental US only, no AK, HI or territories"

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Beirdo:

bah, screw y'all

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Dagmar:

That's because there's not many shipping options to there

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Beirdo:

sure there are

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Beirdo:

USPS

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Beirdo:

UPS, Fedex

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Beirdo:

all the same as on the continent... oh, and BTW, Alaska is ON the continent

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Dagmar:

Those places add a steep surcharge for shipping that far

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chuk:

continental US includes alaska, contiguous does not

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Dagmar:

I guess we'll just have to talk to ThinkGeek about refusing to ship those remote-controlled Daleks to the UK

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hume:

hi.. I have a problem with the aspect ratio on the TV image on one fontend – it's a widescreen LCD. i try to manipulate the aspect in the settings for TV, but no good. Anyone got advice?

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juski:

tried pressing W ?

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laga:

ah, juski has been a busy bunny today in the commits list

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juski:

also depending on the res. & DPI you run X at, myth will think the aspect should be 'whatever' which may not be what you think it should be. pressing W to cycle through the options will find one suitable to force it to I bet

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juski:

laga: yup

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hume:

me? pressing w?

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juski:

hume: duh

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hume:

ok.... seems that it actually helped, when I got to "16:9 zoom", thx

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juski:

frum noo oon I em gueeng tu burkeeffy ell my seemple-a rtffm unsvers veet thees

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juski:

http://binky.org.uk/index.html?page=borkify

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juski:

laga: still plenty to do, but ENOMOTIVATION

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hume:

juski, i also have problems with sound on one frontend – is there a way to figure out what the sound settings on the frontend should be? i mean, other applications, like amarok, mplayer etc, work well

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juski:

defaults work fine for me (tm)

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kormoc:

hume, read the docs and wiki

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hume:

kormoc, any specific page you think of in the wiki?

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kormoc:

hume, audio ones?

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willcooke:

hume, (from memory, so don't quote me on this) try setting the device to ALSA:default (note the capitalisation)

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juski:

that's the default

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willcooke:

that'll be why it works for you! ;p

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hume:

yeah, tried that, and it worked well, until today... dunno what changed

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willcooke:

hume, esd running?

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juski:

got 2 soundcards?

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hume:

one soundcard

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laga:

juski: it's the default on ubuntu. /dev/dsp is the default in vanilla mythtv... unless it was changed in trunk

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juski:

hmmm. ah well

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juski:

ugh. game-ui.xml looks like shite

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hume:

esd...hrm...wouldn't that interfere with say xmms too?

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laga:

juski: i brought the trunk packages for ubuntu up to date today. authentication for mythweb is still giving me trouble :( but superm1 added code that'll let the user choose to open up mysql

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hume:

ps finds no esd anyway

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kormoc:

not if xmms is using the xmms esd plugin

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hume:

ok, no, xmms uses oss

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hume:

i got the alsa > oss installed, whatever it is called, running kubuntu

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hume:

guess I'll just do some more reading, i'll be back

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willcooke:

juski, http://www.8none1.org/fromtheblock.mp3

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icyValk77:

Hi, anyone else have problems with pci nova-t 500 dual tuner dvb card?(keeps locking up and requiring reboot)

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juski:

bored, bored bored bored bored BORED!

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juski:

so bored I made game-ui.xml for the wide blootube themes :(

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icyValk77:

Can anyone recommend a good pci dvb-t card for mythtv? I've got a nova-t 500 and it really doesn't work properly. would like to cause myself less grief and buy a new card – advice very welcome :)

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Cry_wolf2:

I got eh nova-t single tuner because i wanted the remote..works fine

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Cry_wolf2:

Thinking of bying the nova-t 500 to get mote tuners....but now maybe not :=)

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icyValk77:

Ok cool, thanks. Will try and find the single tuner. I've just googled (wish I did before buying it) and found lots of other people having big probs with it :(

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willcooke:

juski, you get that link ^^^^^

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Cry_wolf2:

Guess you read this ? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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Cry_wolf2:

Så it really should work fine

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Led-Hed:

anyone here using MiniMyth?

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willcooke:

Cry_wolf2, Haupaugge (sp?) do a multi-tuner in one card, it's basically a usb bridge with a couple of usb tuners on board, but my farther in law uses it and says it works well

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willcooke:

sorry, that comment should have been directed at icyValk77

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icyValk77:

Cry_wolf2 – cheers, no not found that page before. will have a read. I was reading the wiki from linuxtv.

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willcooke:

Oh, wait... that IS the nova-t 500.

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willcooke:

scrap that

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icyValk77:

willcooke – Thanks, aye, I've heard that there's variants of the card. I'm using it in linux and have lots of probs. Perhaps I haven't configured my pc correctly! will try some tweaks now...

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Cry_wolf2:

willcooke :)(

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juski:

willcooke: yeah, sorry was about as funny as an episode of LRL

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willcooke:

juski, Ooooooooo. Hand bag! :p

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razzam21:

i am having problem with some of my channels being jumpy (when viewed on a normal tv the channel is clear) is there anyone that can help me

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icyValk77:

willcooke: Thanks for the link. I've read it and have done the steps that it said but there was one section new to me. Where is says to edit /etc/modprobe.d/options. I'm using gentoo. I don't have that file but have /etc/modprobe.conf – do you think I add the options line to this file?

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willcooke:

icyValk77, Sorry – I don't know much/anything about gentoo, what's in that file at the moment?

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willcooke:

icyValk77, Does this help? http://xawdecode.sourceforge.net/aideUS/htmlpage/TVCardall.htm

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icyValk77:

Thanks for your help btw. That file has a load of alias lines in it and one options line which looks to do with sound options

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briand:

hmm. So, how does one ensure that a 'Perl::Magick' module is installed, when CPAN has no idea of what it is?

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icyValk77:

willcooke – ah yes, this seems very useful thanks, i'll give that a go now. Cheers

[19:30:06]

willcooke:

icyValk77, :)

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juski:

http://www.imagemagick.org/script/perl-magick.php

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razzam21:

i am having problem with some of my channels being jumpy (when viewed on a normal tv the channel is clear) is there anyone that can help me

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briand:

thanks, juski. :) i'll surf that-a-way

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Cry_wolf2:

Is there some musicvideo playlist player for mythtv ?

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Speedy2:

Hey all. I notice in channel scanning Myth has an option to import from channels.conf ; will this work for DVB or only ATSC?

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Cry_wolf2:

contrib or whatever..

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Hoxzer:

yes. it works for dvb

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Speedy2:

Hoxzer: How does one handle things like mapping channels to LNBs?

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Hoxzer:

dunno

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Speedy2:

ugh, wish there was more info on this

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MilkBoy:

never managed to get the channels.conf import to work as I wanted ;P (with dvb)

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MilkBoy:

scanning works better

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Speedy2:

MilkBoy: The scanning still has a lot of issues.

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JayRoe:

Where do I find a partition in ubuntu, like /dev/sda(x)?

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Speedy2:

MilkBoy: Do you know how dvb channels are stored in mysql? Channels table stores channel info and dtv_multiplex stores info on which transport, but I still haven't figured how it maps multiplexes onto dvbs

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Speedy2:

JayRoe: What are you trying to do?

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Speedy2:

JayRoe: type fdisk -l to print out a list of your partitions.

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JayRoe:

speedy2 I've created a partition for recordings in mythtv, but I don't know it's address.

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JayRoe:

do I need a mount point?

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Speedy2:

JayRoe: Yes.

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JayRoe:

how do I do that?

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Speedy2:

JayRoe: mkdir /mnt/<some_mount_point>

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Speedy2:

JayRoe: manually you can do: mount /dev/<path_to_partition> /mnt/<mount_point>

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Speedy2:

JayRoe: Automatically you have to edit /etc/fstab and enter your partition and mount point in.

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JayRoe:

speedy that will do it for me at boot?

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Speedy2:

JayRoe: Usually. Do some googling on "Ubuntu" and "fstab" to learn more.

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JayRoe:

speedy2, thanks, I'll give it a try :)

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razzam21:

i am having problem with some of my channels being jumpy (when viewed on a normal tv the channel is clear) is there anyone that can help me

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Speedy2:

MilkBoy: Still here?

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willcooke:

razzam21, dvb?

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TTT_Travis:

one of my older PCs that I use as mythfrontend doesn't support wake-on-lan, but I need it to turn on automatically at a certain time, since my bios doesn't have a feature is there anyway to do it?

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laga:

probably via /proc/acpi/alarm or using nvram-wakeup

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TTT_Travis:

ok using those methods how would it be accomplished

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TTT_Travis:

I have a script that shuts down my frontend at a certain time

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TTT_Travis:

but I have no ideas on how to automatically make the frontend boot back up a few hours later

[20:45:53]

TTT_Travis:

since there isn't wake-on-lan support

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Tanthrix:

TTT_Travis: Go buy a cheap wall timer and set the bios to "Power on after outage"

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Dagmar:

There is also a wake-up timer in many BIOSes

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laga:

it would be accomplished by reading the manual

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laga:

seriously. it can't be that hard to google "nvram_wakeup".

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TTT_Travis:

Tanthrix if I did that wouldn't the computer be doing a hard shutdown?

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clever:

Tanthrix: you would need to manualy program the wall timer to match the scheduling

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MilkBoy:

Speedy2: yea.. kinda =)

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clever:

and how would it cut power without an improper shutdown?

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Tanthrix:

Hard shutdown smard shutdown..

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clever:

lol

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Tanthrix:

TTT_Travis: But if you follow laga's instructions, the FIRST hit on google is a howto on how to make it do exactly what you desire

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MilkBoy:

Speedy2: only problem with dvb-c scanning was that some null-valued column had to be changed to 0 values, then everything worked.. dvb-t works right away (for me in finland that is)

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willcooke:

just leave FE on all the time! :)

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clever:

it could shut it off in the middle of recording a tv show:P

[20:50:19]

clever:

fe's dont need automatic on/off

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clever:

you can shut them off and nothing will stop working

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razzam21:

i am having problem with some of my channels being jumpy (when viewed on a normal tv the channel is clear) is there anyone that can help me

[20:52:00]

Tanthrix:

TTT_Travis: But if you absolutely cannot find a way to make it work in software, you could easily use the wall timer approach and a relay to turn the system on.

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TTT_Travis:

ok yeah I see how that would work

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TTT_Travis:

how can I tell if my motherboard supports Nvram>

[20:53:14]

TTT_Travis:

asus CUW-AM/MEW-AM

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Tanthrix:

TTT_Travis: ....you freaking try it. Looks like it would take 2 minutes to find out judging by that howto.

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TTT_Travis:

ok

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laga:

or you look in the list of supported mainboards

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TTT_Travis:

I installed the program but it says I'm not supported :(

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TTT_Travis:

so my alternative is wall timer with a custom shutdown script

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biohazd:

hyer guys

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biohazd:

im watching lvie tv

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biohazd:

i hit record

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biohazd:

how do i stop and save the recording ?

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Anduin:

biohazd: Once you hit r it will record the show

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Anduin:

biohazd: so just quit like you normally would

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siXy:

anyone know a way to disable dvd subtitles when using the internal player?

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laga:

hit "t", probably

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laga:

maybe it's in the OSD

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siXy:

thanks – will go and try :)

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laga:

gotta go, bye

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biohazd:

thanks

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hads:

Does stuartm hang about on IRC?

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Anduin:

hads: That is gbee

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hads:

Anduin: Oh cool, thanks.

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TTT_Travis:

my motherboard and network card both support wake-on-lan but I don't see an option in the bios to enable wake-on-lan

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TTT_Travis:

would it probably just work if I connected a wol cable?

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Speedy2:

TTT_Travis: Try it

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TTT_Travis:

I don't really have wol cable

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Speedy2:

TTT_Travis: You can look up the spec for wake-on-lan. I think if a signal gets grounded then it's a signal to boot the machine

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Speedy2:

TTT_Travis: Find the pinout and simulate a WOL event, see if the machine boots.

[22:12:37]

TTT_Travis:

on the NIC there is a WOL connector and on the motherboard there is also one

[22:13:06]

TTT_Travis:

so could I just somehow short out the wol connector on the motherboard or something to test?

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stormy|:

how can I check what port sshd is running on?

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Speedy2:

TTT_Travis: Don't randomly short anything out.

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Speedy2:

stormy|: Usually it's on port 22. Check your /etc/sshd/conf

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Speedy2:

stormy|: err /etc/ssh/sshd_config

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stormy|:

Speedy2: I'm trying to change it to a custom port... but it doesn't seem to be working

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TTT_Travis:

maybe if I just use some spare wire to connect the nic to the mobo it would work

[22:15:03]

TTT_Travis:

since it's only 3 pins

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killaz:

are there some important checks to find out where things are going wrong with the installation of lirc

[22:15:48]

killaz:

I'm installing lirc on my ubuntu feisty, but when starting lirc I get the message that the kernel module aint loaded

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killaz:

and irw is telling me that it can't find file..

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Speedy2:

TTT_Travis: That will work. The pinout is Power, GND, and Signal.

[22:17:36]

TTT_Travis:

kk

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Speedy2:

TTT_Travis: Not neccessarily in that order!

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TTT_Travis:

Speedy2 yeah my only problems is getting the wires attached to the pin somehow

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Speedy2:

TTT_Travis: Solder?

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TTT_Travis:

pins are too close

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TTT_Travis:

and thats too permanent

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Beirdo:

no such thing as "too close"

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TTT_Travis:

I could wait a few days and order a wol cable

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TTT_Travis:

Beirdo ok that was my excuse for sucking at soldering

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Beirdo:

heh

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TTT_Travis:

and the motherboard would be pain

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TTT_Travis:

I'll see if I can just get the wires to work somehow

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Beirdo:

yeah, I wouldn't be soldering stuff to my motherboards either

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Daviey:

Can't be anyworse than finding a melted BabyBel wax coating on my mobo – god knows how it got there

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Beirdo:

even though I have the skill level to do so :)

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TTT_Travis:

the WOL cable is absolutely necessary for wake on lan to work right?

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Speedy2:

tank-man: All three pins.

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Speedy2:

TTT_Travis: Sorry, you need all three pins.

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Cry_wolf2:

The cable isn´t always necessary for wol to work. Any mothern motherboard should be able to get the info trough the pci-slot if the nic supports it

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TTT_Travis:

ok I will try that then

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TTT_Travis:

ok another thing I want my mythfrontend to just go in standby after like 20 minutes of non-use

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TTT_Travis:

but how do I wake it up?

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TTT_Travis:

pressing keys etc. doesn't do anything

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Staticwave_Ace:

depends upon what kind of standby you used

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TTT_Travis:

I just did powersave -m

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TTT_Travis:

that probably powers down the usb controller

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TTT_Travis:

it also turns off the CPU fan, is that safe? since I still see the menu on my TV

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dotwaffle:

UK User – just rediscovered MythTV after trialing it at 0.15, wanting to install it at home for my mum as she can't get Sky+. Obviously, would want a *quiet* unit – anyone know of any systems you cna buy for the UK that are quiet? Would prefer not to self-build a patriot/shuttle.

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dotwaffle:

(would self-install, would prefer a PVR-150 already installed, can do myself if needs be)

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Staticwave_Ace:

any of the shuttle SFF devices are pretty damned silent

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Staticwave_Ace:

TTT_Travis: powersave -m doesn't mean anything to me

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dotwaffle:

Staticwave_Ace: Thx, will investigate ;)

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TTT_Travis:

Staticwave_Ace what do you use to standby?

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Staticwave_Ace:

TTT_Travis: I don't currently standby on my mythbox, but I use the hibernate-script package on my laptop for hibernate-ram and hibernate

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Staticwave_Ace:

one being suspend-to-ram, the other suspend-to-disk

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TTT_Travis:

oh

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Staticwave_Ace:

suspend to ram *can* respond to keypress, if used correctly

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TTT_Travis:

when I try suspend to ram is says it's not supported

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TTT_Travis:

I would like to be able to have my remote wake it up

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TTT_Travis:

when I press a button – > goes to the serial

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olds:

I'm having some issues compiling mythplugins (specifically mythvideo)

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Staticwave_Ace:

I believe thats possible if your bios allows you to set that interrupt to a wakeup source

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Staticwave_Ace:

not sure if its available in your bios though :)

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hads:

olds: What type of issues?

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TTT_Travis:

this computer is old

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TTT_Travis:

barely anything in the bios

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Staticwave_Ace:

TTT_Travis: you might be out of luck then

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olds:

I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.com/m49ba016a

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** Staticwave_Ace really hopes that when he gets suspend2-disk working that ACPI wakeup works **

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olds:

I just barely czeched it out of the subversion repository

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TTT_Travis:

I tried ACPI wake up, shutdown my computer, but it never turns back on at the time

[22:57:59]

TTT_Travis:

my bios even has a setting for wakeup but that doesn't work either

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hads:

olds: What branch are you using?

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olds:

trunk

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Staticwave_Ace:

TTT_Travis: unfortunately, bioses are very buggy and almost never completed

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TTT_Travis:

wish I could run 3rd party bios like operating systems are

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hads:

olds: I'm not sure sorry, I haven't compiled trunk for a few weeks as I've got issues with it here.

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olds:

yea, hmph

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olds:

mythtv compiles fine

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olds:

just issues with mythplugins

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hads:

You did install mythtv first?

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olds:

of course

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hads:

:)

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TTT_Travis:

when I press the power button on my computer all it is doing is completing a circuit right?

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Staticwave_Ace:

depends

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Staticwave_Ace:

is it AT or ATX?

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JayRoe:

does mythtv have an internal player for media files?

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hads:

JayRoe: Yes

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Staticwave_Ace:

TTT_Travis: the old AT supplies actually turn on the electrical supply with the switch

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Staticwave_Ace:

TTT_Travis: the new ATX supplies sent a signal to the controller in the computer to power on the sytem

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JayRoe:

hads what would I need in order for it to play mpeg4 encoded files?

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TTT_Travis:

it's ATX

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olds:

JayRoe: mythvideo ;)

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olds:

I think

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hads:

Yeah

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Staticwave_Ace:

TTT_Travis: you'll note that ACPI has a power button in its standard, that would be that button

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TTT_Travis:

I was wondering if I ran a small wire along the wall and I could just have a hidden button that does the same thing as the power button and would therefore wake up the box

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Staticwave_Ace:

thats why the button is generally ignored in linux unless configured

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JayRoe:

olds and hdas, what would you recommend? An external player or mythvideo?

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olds:

well

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hads:

'Internal' is the internal player, you can set that up in mythvideo setup.

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Staticwave_Ace:

TTT_Travis: you certainly could, you could also *wire* the serial IR reciever into the button *in theory*

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hads:

I'd recommend the internal player over using an external one unless you have a good reason.

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TTT_Travis:

Staticwave_Ace think getting a ir on the button would be tricky

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Staticwave_Ace:

I've always used mplayer for all of mythvideo

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olds:

yea... there are cases where you want to use mplayer

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JayRoe:

hads, so I would replace "mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo -xv %s" with "internal"?

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JayRoe:

olds, what kind of cases?

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hads:

JayRoe: "Internal"

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hads:

The benefit of the internal player is the same keybindings and on screen display.

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JayRoe:

hads mplayer hasn't got OSD?

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hads:

Yes, it does.

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Staticwave_Ace:

as far as I can tell, myth doesn't handle surround sound correctly

[23:11:28]

Staticwave_Ace:

which is why I use mplayer

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JayRoe:

staticwave_ace the system I'm installing on hasn't got surround. Is the internal player capable of downmixing surround to stereo?

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Staticwave_Ace:

well, it seems to player DVDs correctly

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Staticwave_Ace:

I doubt that it downmixes 6 -> 2

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Staticwave_Ace:

it probabaly just uses the fl/fr audio channels

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someninjamaster:

im working on a fresh myth install with a pvr-500 card and when i run watch live tv the entire machine locks up

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someninjamaster:

anyone have any ideas

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someninjamaster:

i have tried the card in another computer and it works

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someninjamaster:

and i have tried swaping pci slotsw

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: What kind of hardware in the computer?

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: VIA, ALi or SiS chipsets?

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someninjamaster:

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/EN-US/Product/m . . . en-gb0000202

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someninjamaster:

this is what i have

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: Foxconn might be your first problem.

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: All the nvidia stuff need proprietary drivers, you have to make sure all of that is "good"

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someninjamaster:

yeah i was worried about that

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someninjamaster:

i have tried to install the nvidia drivers

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someninjamaster:

but knoppmyth is being a bitch

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: For Linux, Intel based chipsets are best — they're well supported.

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someninjamaster:

so i guess theres a reason the motherboard and cpu combo was 60 bucks

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: I'd say dump the MB and see if you can find an AMD-chipset based MB.

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: It could also be your power supply.

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someninjamaster:

http://www.xoxide.com/apevia-xqpack2-window-blue.html

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someninjamaster:

this is the case and powersupply im using

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: Do you have any other peripherals or devices in the machine?

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someninjamaster:

1 dvd-r

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someninjamaster:

2 lights

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someninjamaster:

should i ditch the lights

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: What kind of "lights" ? LEDs? CCFLs? If it's your power supply then just pare your system down to the minimum. It's more than likely driver issues with the nVidia chipset, etc.

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someninjamaster:

ccfls

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someninjamaster:

ok i disconnected all the lights

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someninjamaster:

everything works fine

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someninjamaster:

but the second you try to watch tv it all locks up

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someninjamaster:

speedy2:what kind of chipset would you recommend

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: You might also want to try another program that accesses the TV card. It could be xorg configuration setup, etc.

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: Intel chipset for the MB, nVidia or Intel for the video chipset.

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JayRoe:

is it possible to change the interface for the music module in mythtv?

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someninjamaster:

speedy2 i have an intel mb here

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someninjamaster:

but it has ati graphics

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: Swap it out for nVidia graphics. ATI has crap xvmc support.

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someninjamaster:

so it seems i dropped 600 dollers on a machine

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someninjamaster:

and im going to have to replace 300 dollers worth of stuff on it

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Speedy2:

someninjamaster: You don't know until you build a kernel with proper drivers

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