Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, July 13th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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Beirdo:

laga: should be cleaned up

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Beirdo:

now to remove the crap users (again)

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laga:

Beirdo: thanks

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laga:

Beirdo: mediawiki is fun, huh? :(

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Beirdo:

no problemo

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Beirdo:

If I can remember how, I can reset your login's password, but let me clean up the crap first

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laga:

Beirdo: i could make mediawiki email it to me

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Beirdo:

is your email set in it?

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laga:

i think so, yes

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Beirdo:

gimme a sec :)

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laga:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/User:Laga

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Beirdo:

as I'm deleting rows from the user table anyway, I can confirm :)

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laga:

heh

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Beirdo:

definitely there ;)

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Beirdo:

phpmyadmin makes life so much simpler

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laga:

i just ban users in mediawiki.

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laga:

Beirdo: why don't you move the channel faq to the official wiki?

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Beirdo:

as I've said before, if someone wants to move it over, I'd be happy to cooperate :)

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laga:

heh

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Beirdo:

I've got so many things on the go anyways. The channel FAQ wiki predates the official wiki by at least a year... but I don't care where the stuff is, it would kinda make more sense on the official wiki now that it exists.

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laga:

yup

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Beirdo:

anyways, I gotta go out for a bit

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kormoc:

Beirdo, I'll move it over tonight then. It's actually been something bugging me lately and I've been meaning to ask you bout it... :P

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** kormoc waves to Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

heh, go nuts, kormoc

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Beirdo:

if you need any help on my end, let me know (once I'm back)

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Beirdo:

once you have it all moved over and we have updated the topic, I'll likely take down that wiki so it doesn't get spammed more ;)

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Beirdo:

I'll be back in like half an hour or so anyways.

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kormoc:

heh, indeed :)

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juski:

heh. you know, much has been said about the quality of mythtv's themes – but from what i've been looking at tonight – other than commercial products designed by pros I reckon we've got the cream

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kormoc:

juski, I think a large part of it isn't actually the themes, it's just the menu layouts and the like and people think they are controlled by the themes.

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laga:

juski: blowing your own trumpet? :)

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juski:

laga: no not really. there are some super fugly skins for XBMC & mediaportal

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juski:

kormoc: wrt the menu layouts... there's a lot we can do quite easily to improve stuff. I'm gonna look at that one day

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kormoc:

nifty

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juski:

if somebody were to pick up the ball from the UI rework SoC projects it'd help a bit

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juski:

anyway this weekend I'll mostly be theming the weather-revamp, assuming I can get it worky

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laga:

g'night

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juski:

yeah me too

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ShockValue:

blah, im trying to find if anyone is using a NAS for their tv storage,... lots of threads about it on the list discussing pros and cons.. but not one single person saying "ive done it and it works/sucks/etc"

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kormoc:

ShockValue, uhh... a nas is just a linux box using samba or similar typically, and thus it's no better or worse then using samba/nfs with another box

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ShockValue:

well right.. but can a NAS keep up with a mythbackend dumping or reading a HD stream to it

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kormoc:

ShockValue, typically, yes

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ShockValue:

you've done it?

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kormoc:

I have a nas that I work with and it handles much more then a single stream of sdtv

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kormoc:

I've also done backend storage over smb, nfs, and sshfs

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kormoc:

I don't recommend the last one

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ShockValue:

im thinking [nas]---[mythbackend]----[mythfrontend] type of a setup

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ShockValue:

currently i ahve all my storage crammed in my mythbackend box, and its a PITA

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kormoc:

how many streams of what res/bitrate are you attempting to do?

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ShockValue:

maximum load would be [record 1080I] + [stream 1080I] + [me f'ing around with some mp3's/mpgs/etc]

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kormoc:

ShockValue, let's put it this way, 1080i is around a max os 20 mbit a second, so your load there is likely around 45 mbit a second, well under what 100mbit network can do, yet alone a single hard drive or many in a nas.

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ShockValue:

hrm.. sounds feasible then

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ShockValue:

i just dont want to tear down my entire system to do this and find it wont work :)

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kormoc:

well, there's always that chance, you could pick some really bad hardware, but the basic idea is sound

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ShockValue:

well i have all the parts already, i'd just need to re-arrange some hardware

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ShockValue:

now to see about JBODing 2 RAID5's ;)

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kormoc:

ShockValue, would be better to just lvm them, so you can add/remove in the future...

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xris:

ShockValue: um, you want raid 50... jbod by definition deals with disks, not raid devices.

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ShockValue:

yeah but the 2 raid5 arrays are different sizes.

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xris:

then you want something like lvm or concatenation, not jbod

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ShockValue:

7x120 + 4x250

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xris:

jbod == "just a bunch of disks"...

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xris:

as in: hda1, hda2, hda3.... not concatenation.

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ShockValue:

ok, concatenation.. not "0" though

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xris:

(despite what some so-called raid card manufacturers call their concatenation function)

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xris:

ShockValue: lvm should work fine

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xris:

ShockValue: but why bother merging the arrays?

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ShockValue:

i dont want to worry about resizing+repartitioning crap when things grow

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xris:

right. but why not just keep them separate?

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ShockValue:

because what if array#1 fills up and i have space on array#2?

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xris:

fills up with what?

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** xris is very slowly trying to push the conversation to "storage groups" in mythtv .21 **

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TTT_Travis:

when I start minimyth it fails with the error ( error: 'ntpdate' failed to synchronize with any NTP server.

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xris:

TTT_Travis: sounds pretty trivial. like maybe you need to set up ntp

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vfrex:

anybody up for some unintelligible questions from a nub?

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TTT_Travis:

I wish the minimyth makers would have provided a sample config with all of the REQUIRED settings filled in

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TTT_Travis:

so I didn't have to keep rebooting and figuring out what is gonna need to be set for sure

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vfrex:

knoppmyth?

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TTT_Travis:

no minimyth

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xris:

vfrex: what about it?

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vfrex:

that is supposed to work with defaults, no?

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ShockValue:

bah, i need a new job

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ShockValue:

just got my anual review and scored top marks in every category (translation: over-qualified and under-paid)

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** ShockValue toots his own horn **

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TTT_Travis:

demand a raise

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TTT_Travis:

j/k don't take advice from me

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TTT_Travis:

I don't want the blood on my hands when/if you get fired

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ShockValue:

i cant get a raise, its a state non profit job

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ShockValue:

well i can get a raise, but i have to have a title change. but i have to kill someone to get a new title :)

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vfrex:

any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong if channel scan only picks up "2" channels?

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ShockValue:

depends on how you're hooked up to the feed

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vfrex:

digital cable through a motorola cable box

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ShockValue:

firewire?

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ShockValue:

no, i suppose not if you're scanning

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vfrex:

yeah, cable jack->cable box->coax to PVR150

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ShockValue:

well, time to go home <HA HA>.. see ya'll when i get home :)

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vfrex:

later

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monkeyBox:

What would cause mythtv to all of the sudden take up to 8 seconds to jump forward in a recording?

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tjcarter:

I am having a hell of a time with firewire under knoppmyth. Wiki isn't helping me much =(

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monkeyBox:

It also only happens on one particular recording!?

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Beirdo:

K, I'm back

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Beirdo:

and kormoc JUST letf

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Beirdo:

heh

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tjcarter:

Does someone here know something about these things? =)

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Beirdo:

left even

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tjcarter:

I have a Scientific Atlanta 3250HD

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tjcarter:

Essentially, KnoppMyth's documentations (such as they are) .. do not document this procedure at all.

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tjcarter:

I have the right modules, I THINK I understand from plugreport output what "should be self-explanatory" (sic), but after that it all falls flat.

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ircleuser:

hey guys, when recording while watching live TV using mythtv, I press 'R' on the keyboard to start the recording. What button do I press to stop the recording? I initially thought it was done by pressing 'R' a second time, but I get a message which says 'recording cancelled'...

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jams:

ircleuser- head to the watch recording screen. The menu there has an option to cancel recording

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ircleuser:

jams — does pressing the 'R' button stop and save the recording, or cancel it altogether?

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vfrex:

what is the process for scanning channels with digital cable? scan without the cable box, then use the cable box to decode digital signal?

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jams:

pressing r starts the recording. thats all it does

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ircleuser:

what if I only want to record so much (eg. 1 min)? what button do I press after that one minute?

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jams:

ircleuser- head to the watch recording screen. The menu there has an option to cancel recording

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ircleuser:

ok, thanks

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tjcarter:

nobody does firewire? O_O

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tjcarter:

It seems ideal, when it works

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TTT_Travis:

anyone know what video drivers are included with minimyth

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TTT_Travis:

I tried vesa and nvidia but they don't work

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ircleuser:

is there a way to stop re-generation of xorg.conf during the boot of knoppmyth r5f1 ?

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ircleuser:

I get that "c7 respawn quickly" issue

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TTT_Travis:

minimyth won't fetch my Xorg.conf file anymore know why that would happen?

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tjcarter:

ircleuser: you can edit out the lines that reconfigure X in the startup files

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defaultro:

good evening guys

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defaultro:

my mythtv died :(

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defaultro:

anyways, i think the reason is because, the area where my machine is was so hot. Does hard drive coolers really work?

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vfrex:

just set up your case to move air

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Agrajag-:

i think just better circulation in the case is the best solution

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defaultro:

ok

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Agrajag-:

drives don't just overheat by themselves from normal usage

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defaultro:

glad i have backup of mythconverg db

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defaultro:

or maybe, i can buy extra fan to exit hot air out

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defaultro:

this looks cool and doesn't cost much, http://www.casecooler.com/hardrivcoold.html

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vfrex:

personally, i'd prefer to have a fan to pull cool air into the case and right over the hard drive

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Beirdo:

and hard drive coolers DO work if used correctly, they just add forced airflow over the hard drive blowing into the case (usually)

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defaultro:

do you know of any brand that's got good reviews?

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vfrex:

wow, I nuked my display settings somehow

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Beirdo:

nah, the ones I've used before are just fans on the front of a drive bay type

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

I can remove fans from my dead machines in the basement

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Beirdo:

buy it somewhere you can take it back :) then measure the drive temperature before and after

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defaultro:

i'm also thinking of making a external house just for the 3 harddisk

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Beirdo:

smartctl can read that outta most drives

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defaultro:

that's a good idea

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Beirdo:

if it settles out to a lower temperature after installing something, it worked, otherwise, it might be a good one to return :)

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Beirdo:

assuming you do the measurements in the same room temperature conditions, etc, of course

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defaultro:

what about harddisk brands? my officemate's Western DIgital died. My friend's WD dies 2 months ago. My WD last night died. All are WD :)

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Beirdo:

I swear by Seagate

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ben_goodger:

seagate arE VERY GOOD

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vfrex:

same here...seagate all the way

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ben_goodger:

damn

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Beirdo:

I won't EVER buy Fujitsu

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defaultro:

seagate back in 1990s are the best

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Beirdo:

they are crrrap

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ben_goodger:

maxtor also appear OK

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defaultro:

but lately, they've been brittle too

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vfrex:

lol, maxtor? are you serious?

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defaultro:

maxtor died on me too

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Beirdo:

Maxtor have a bad track record

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defaultro:

it didn't even reach 3 years

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defaultro:

i consider 5 years a good span

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Beirdo:

but they may have turned the corner on that

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Beirdo:

Seagates have 5 year warranty last I looked

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ben_goodger:

one of mine is still going after ten, I forget the manufacturer

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Beirdo:

I wouldn't say any of mine have been "brittle" at all :)

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defaultro:

that's really good

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Agrajag-:

i always get seagate or WD, my WD have always been good too

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ircleuser:

has anyone had problems with ssh when using knoppmyth? sshd is running on the mythbox, but I am unable to log in – keep getting 'connection refused' errors.

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defaultro:

luckily, I got that 160g for $29 during thanksgiving

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Beirdo:

WD for the longest time didn't follow ATA specs with regards to error correction

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defaultro:

oh

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Beirdo:

so I put them on my black list, and unless Seagate stops making quiet fast stable drives...

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defaultro:

so Beirdo, in order, from good to bad, tell me your branks

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defaultro:

brands

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Beirdo:

I've heard Samsung's good too, haven't tried em yet

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Beirdo:

Seagate, Seagate, Seagate, Seagate :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

I think, I should invest in cooling

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Beirdo:

every single hard drive in all my machines

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Beirdo:

OK, except in the Sun E4500, it has one seagate, one IBM (I think), but I didn't *buy* those

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defaultro:

I'm thinking of building metal case, with 2 fans, one is taking cold air from outside, then other fan is letting hot air inside to out

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Beirdo:

cable management inside the case makes a HUGE difference too

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vfrex:

how are your fans set up now?

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defaultro:

just the 2 regular fans in the tower case

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Beirdo:

nylon zipties to tie off the cables to allow for good air flow, etc

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Agrajag-:

all my case fans just suck air out of the case.. i find that most effective

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defaultro:

it's pushes hot air out

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defaultro:

yes, similar here

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Altair256:

heya guys. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right place in the wiki...

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Beirdo:

heh, you know, I haven't had ANY heat issues here in Puerto Rico

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Altair256:

but how does one add a svideo/composite "channel" to the line-up?

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Beirdo:

and the room temp in that room has never been below about 78F

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Altair256:

or am I misunderstanding how it works

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defaultro:

but maybe, my fans is not enough to push the hot air that is created continuously

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ircleuser:

my mistake — fanless psu with only one fan — the heatsink fan. Progressively gets louder as the mythbox is powered on, then shuts down. There's probably a setting in the BIOS to enforce this protection. I'm not sure if i should disable it.

[02:05:55]

defaultro:

Beirdo, yes, i noticed it was hot

[02:05:59]

Beirdo:

defaultro, or maybe cables are blocking airflow

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Altair256:

the wiki (http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_A . . . 2FSVideo.3F) says:

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Altair256:

"Configure using mythtvsetup"

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defaultro:

I was like 3 ft away from the corner where my hdtv is and mythtv, it was warm

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Altair256:

which is obvious, but does not help me as I already guessed that much

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defaultro:

i'm sure it was like 80

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Beirdo:

eek.

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defaultro:

it has been like that for 1 year

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defaultro:

finally, it gave up

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Beirdo:

you might wanna consider an AMD64 processor (less heat production)

[02:07:13]

defaultro:

im on AMD64

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Beirdo:

and you got it THAT hot?!

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Beirdo:

damn

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

and I have a big heatsink and fan too

[02:07:45]

Beirdo:

I have my devel bot loaded with like 4 video cards, 3 drives...

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defaultro:

my nvidia has a power cord too

[02:07:53]

Beirdo:

it still hasn't gotten hot

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Beirdo:

box rather, not bot

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Beirdo:

stupid fingers

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

or I have to put my mythtv in the basement, it's always 66degF there

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Beirdo:

anyways, speaking of bots... I should continue coding.

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defaultro:

:D

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Beirdo:

adding the hook to save config changes (from the new ncurses console) back into the db

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defaultro:

I'll keep you posted guys. I'll try to design some connectivity ideas

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defaultro:

Thanks Beirdo for the ideas as well

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ircleuser:

defaultro: how do you control your mythbox when it's in the basement?

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Beirdo:

not a problem :)

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defaultro:

i have a hardware that I can tell where to send the signal

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ircleuser:

nice

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defaultro:

i think, it's time to use that box

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defaultro:

i also prewired my house

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Beirdo:

heh, I WISH

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defaultro:

i can buy an ir and ir repeater

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Beirdo:

I use wireless to bridge the rooms

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defaultro:

that's good too

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defaultro:

radio

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Beirdo:

frigging concrete houses

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defaultro:

passes thru walls

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defaultro:

ircleuser, you can use another machine as mythfrontend

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defaultro:

it uses network to pull tv shows

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TTT_Travis:

does anyone know how figure out what video drivers are avaliable?

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vfrex:

available for?

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cyrexion:

hey guys, what is a "safe" CPU temperature?

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cyrexion:

56 c ?

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vfrex:

what cpu?

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cyrexion:

amd 3800+ (64 bit dual core)

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vfrex:

under load I assume?

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cyrexion:

yes

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vfrex:

not bad

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defaultro:

my cpu is 38c

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defaultro:

that's what I remember

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cyrexion:

I'm in the bios of my mythbox and am watching the cpu temp climb towards the target temp... just wondering if it's going to shut down when it hits the target

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vfrex:

what are you using for cooling?

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cyrexion:

just the heatsink fan.... probably stupid

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cyrexion:

I want to go for small and quiet, but I don't know what the best combination is

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cyrexion:

I have all my components in a LC19

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vfrex:

heh, yeah default amd hsf haven't been good or quiet IME

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cyrexion:

vfrex: yeah, I have no idea how shuttle pcs manage to get their systems so quiet. would you happen to know where I can stop mkxf86config from generating the xorg.conf file?

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vfrex:

sorry, no idea

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Hrm. I need to find a CPU temperature monitor for windows that does NOT also display hard drive temperatures – anyone know any off chance?

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jsj:

Any recent, high quality demos of MythTV?

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jsj:

Actually scratch that. How does the commercial skipping work? I've heard it can recognize comercials and skip them automatically, without the manual process of the TiVo. Is that true?

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jsj:

hmm, no wonder people invade the dev channel

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vfrex:

no wonder!

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tjcarter:

okay, this is odd

[02:39:05]

tjcarter:

I told myth to go to channel 751

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Tanthrix:

jsj: Commercial skipping is rubbish for me, but other people have said it works great. So I guess YMMV.

[02:39:21]

tjcarter:

I watched the LED display and ... 309

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tjcarter:

I told it 750 and ... 54

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tjcarter:

WTF

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jsj:

Tanthrix: it doesn't work well for the programs you watch?

[02:40:10]

jsj:

What about watching programs at 2x or faster and having audio normalized? Does that work well?

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** tjcarter tries setting it to SA4200HD **

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Tanthrix:

jsj: It was inconsistent enough that I stopped using it. Recently gave it a chance again, but the first few programs I tried it on were all off, so I stopped. Really, doing 30 second skips is fine.

[02:40:58]

Tanthrix:

jsj: Myth is absolutely excellent at time stretching. I haven't found another app that does it as well except for quicktime. In fact, I think it's the only app for linux that can even do it.

[02:41:13]

jsj:

Nice

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tjcarter:

yeah, I don't know what myth is doing, but it is changing channels very wrongly.

[02:42:41]

jsj:

So I'm looking at a $300 Pentium D 3Ghz Dell, 20" monitor, HD card, HD antenna, and remote and adding it up looks like 820 before taxes. Is there a better combo I should be aware of?

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Tanthrix:

jsj: That's a bit of money there – how much is the monitor out of that?

[02:43:25]

jsj:

250

[02:43:44]

jsj:

130 for hd capture card, 80 for remote, 60 for hd antenna

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Tanthrix:

jsj: Too much for the capture card, and the remote too unless you're looking for something fancy – don't know about the antenna.

[02:44:23]

jsj:

the 20" hdtv, tivo, 2 year subscription, dvd, and hd antenna came out to $96

[02:44:36]

jsj:

can you recommend a good hd capture card that's well supported?

[02:45:00]

Tanthrix:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0

[02:45:03]

jsj:

I'm not sure, can I plug in hd antenna and cable at the same time?

[02:45:08]

Tanthrix:

No.

[02:45:18]

Tanthrix:

But your cable often will provide all the OTA stuff as well.

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tjcarter:

okay, problem identified. I need to use -s with sa3250ch, which I didn't know mythtv had an external program for this..

[02:46:10]

jsj:

I think the cable wants to charge extra for the HD stuff, but I guess I'll hold off on the antenna

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Tanthrix:

jsj: That card is pretty easy to setup in linux, does ATSC / QAM, etc. Analog portion isn't supported, though it's a framegrabber so that doesn't matter. Be warned though: Setting up ATSC/QAM channels can be difficult, so don't expect it up and running perfectly

[02:47:01]

Tanthrix:

I've been using myth for 2 years now and it took me 20 minutes to get the card working, and about 1.5 hours to actually get the channels mapped properly with zap2it.

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** jsj googles ATSC/QAM **

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Tanthrix:

jsj: ATSC is over the air antenna. QAM is what your cable provides its channels via.

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Tanthrix:

So, make sure whatever card you get supports QAM, but be warned that your cable provider might encrypt your QAM channels, so you might not end up getting anything but the OTA (abc, nbc, etc..) channels

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jsj:

by analog portion do you mean non-digital channels?

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Tanthrix:

Aye

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Tanthrix:

So if you want to capture analog stuff, you need to also get yourself a PVR-150

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bbrooks:

i just bought the pvr-500

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defaultro:

i've been reading this, it's so cool -> http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/03/28/a-begi . . . c/page9.html

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vfrex:

walk before you run :p

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bbrooks:

question guys: I am setting up my new mythtv box, and I was curious on what video card to buy, I have a 52 " LCD and I want to hook up hdmi

[02:52:33]

jsj:

Tanthrix: maybe I'll just buy the card you mention, use a crappy comp and monitor from work to test it out on and see if it does what I need and works before buying all the other jazz

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Tanthrix:

bbrooks: Any new-ish nvidia card with DVI out. Even a $35 will do nicely. Avoid the 6xxx series though, so 7300 or above is the way to go

[02:53:44]

bbrooks:

is there a card with hdmi?

[02:53:47]

Tanthrix:

jsj: Might be a good idea. There are a few other ones as well that might be cheaper that use the same chip. Might try looking it up on the mythtv wiki

[02:53:58]

bbrooks:

rather than dvi?

[02:54:12]

Tanthrix:

bbrooks: DVI is HDMI+audio, so you can buy a card with HDMI, but you don't really get anything out of it.

[02:54:31]

bbrooks:

so dvi will do its justice?

[02:54:55]

bbrooks:

right now I am running hdmi from my reciever to my tv

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Tanthrix:

bbrooks: DVI video quality == HDMI video quality because they are EXACTLY the same thing

[02:55:27]

bbrooks:

interesting

[02:55:38]

bbrooks:

i didnt know that

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Tanthrix:

bbrooks: Cheapest HDMI card on newegg is $67, where as you can get a 7300 for like $40 plus a DVI to HDMI cable

[02:56:16]

bbrooks:

cool!

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Tanthrix:

Need to run audio separately of course. Not sure how the video cards handle it – probably a pass through to the sound card or something

[02:56:30]

bbrooks:

i really appreciate it! :)

[02:56:35]

Tanthrix:

NP.

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Tanthrix:

bbrooks: One thing though – what's the native resolution of your screen?

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bbrooks:

i am not sure

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bbrooks:

1080i

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Tanthrix:

You sure about that? What model TV is it?

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bbrooks:

sharp

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Tanthrix:

Model, not brand.

[02:59:45]

bbrooks:

aquos

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bbrooks:

sorry

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Tanthrix:

bbrooks: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127273 That is the video card I just purchased by the way. Working great with DVI>HDMI on my Sharp Aquos

[03:00:05]

Tanthrix:

More specific, looking for the number so I can see what its native resolution is

[03:00:55]

bbrooks:

http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Aquos-LC52D62U-10 . . . p/B000HKJKBS

[03:01:16]

Tanthrix:

Oooo, snazzy. I've got the same model, but 42 inch.

[03:01:21]

bbrooks:

:)

[03:01:30]

Tanthrix:

In any case, you'll be fine then. Some sets have problems with DVI, but that's a 1080P set so it will work great.

[03:01:33]

bbrooks:

yeah it was like 400 bucks more for the 52

[03:01:45]

Tanthrix:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812123183 <---That's the cable you need as well

[03:01:45]

bbrooks:

sweet! :)

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Tanthrix:

Then when you set it up, you'll want to put the TV in "dot by dot" mode (native res, no zooming) then setup the computer to output at 1920x1080p

[03:03:26]

Tanthrix:

When you get it going, feel free to message me and I can give you my xconf if you need it.

[03:03:27]

bbrooks:

does it look good?

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bbrooks:

do you notice any difference?

[03:03:40]

Tanthrix:

Between what and what?

[03:04:16]

tjcarter:

I found a way to test firewire connection =D

[03:04:17]

bbrooks:

sat to tv – sat to myth to tv

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captlloyd:

I wanna try to do 1080p on a sony rear projection, I'm hoping it works

[03:04:59]

Tanthrix:

bbrooks: You will have reduced quality unfortunately. It's definately noticable when comparing side to side, but I've been known to be rather picky

[03:05:02]

tjcarter:

using sa3250ch (works with -s flag) and firewire_test, I can cycle all channels to test them all

[03:05:13]

tjcarter:

the ones that work are the ones I can use =D

[03:05:15]

bbrooks:

dang hehe

[03:05:27]

Tanthrix:

bbrooks: Problem is that the video has to be converted from analog to digital via the PVR-500, and it loses quality in the process.

[03:05:42]

bbrooks:

ahhh no way to clean that up?

[03:05:59]

Tanthrix:

bbrooks: So, for example, the output from my cable box (straight digital stream) looks much better than the same channel outputted to my PVR-150

[03:06:17]

Tanthrix:

Not particularly.

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bbrooks:

hmmm so heres another question..is the pvr-500 a little better than the 150?

[03:06:58]

tjcarter:

the question remains: how do I tell the box to use one input for certain channels and another for others?

[03:07:18]

Tanthrix:

bbrooks: No, it's identical from what I understand. Just two PVR-150s on the same card.

[03:07:23]

bbrooks:

or what benifit will the 500 give me

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tjcarter:

I mean, when the tuner is doing stuff over firewire, it can't simultaneously go into something else

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Tanthrix:

In your case, probably nothing. You have sat in the US right?

[03:07:50]

bbrooks:

yup

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tjcarter:

bbrooks: Don't get a 500.

[03:08:07]

tjcarter:

Get two 150s

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bbrooks:

yeah?

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Tanthrix:

bbrooks: Unless you have two Satellite recievers, you won't be able to watch/record two channels at once, which is the benefit of the PVR-500 over the PVR-150

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tjcarter:

getting good signal on both tuners is next to impossible

[03:08:44]

tjcarter:

It will drive you mad.

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bbrooks:

ahhh that makes sense

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bbrooks:

well sweet!

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bbrooks:

thats cheeper

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bbrooks:

haha

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tjcarter:

Get two 150s and use an amplifier if you must

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bbrooks:

i have only one reciever

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Tanthrix:

bbrooks: Basically, what you'll be doing (I think – never done sat myself) is outputting the satellite to the PVR-150, then using an irblaster or some other means to change channel on the sat box

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tjcarter:

unless you're planning to use two cable boxes

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tjcarter:

in which case you're fine to use a 500 with SVideo for both

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tjcarter:

whelp, none of the first 105 channels are firewireable.

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Tanthrix:

bbrooks: And concerning the quality: Don't fret too soon. Sometimes it's not a big difference, especially if the sat box or TV is bad at scaling, etc. So potentially it could look the same-ish

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Staticwave_Ace:

okay. I have what may be a crazy question, if I were to order digital cable, and get a digital tuner card (HD5500 or somesuch) would I not need a set top box?

[03:11:19]

Tanthrix:

bbrooks: What you really need to do is get yourself an A180 though and an attenna to get the OTA HD channels to take advantage of that Tv

[03:11:21]

bbrooks:

Tanthrix: cool cool

[03:11:33]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Depends on whether or not your channels are encrypted.

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bbrooks:

Tanthrix: yeah iknow! too bad I don't have any hd signals in my area

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Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: any way to determine that?

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Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: All of my channels minus the OTA stuff are encrypted in QAM, so my HD card cannot tune them. I can, however, get them over the firewire out of the cable box (another lucky thing, sometimes you can get neither)

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tjcarter:

so is it possible to somehow tell mythtv that two interfaces (not inputs, but interfaces) are mutually exclusive?

[03:12:14]

varun00:

when I try and play a DVD, I get "libdvdnav: ifoRead_VOBU_ADMAP vtsi failed\mythfrontend.real:vm.c:1479: process_command: Assertion '0' failed"

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Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: but the HD5500 is QAM, would that work?

[03:12:30]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Only way is to get some kind of QAM tuner card or TV to try and tune the channels. As far as firewire encryption is concerned, you can check in the diagnostics menu of some STB

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varun00:

there are messages above that.........I can type those out if they will be useful

[03:12:55]

Staticwave_Ace:

none of the boxes offered by my provider have firewire

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tjcarter:

ie, you can use the 3250 for certain channels over firewire OR any channel over svideo, but not both at the same time?

[03:13:04]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Read my first statement – the QAM is encrypted here, so it cannot be tunred without a STB.

[03:13:12]

Staticwave_Ace:

right

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Staticwave_Ace:

I wonder if anyone keeps track of encryption on cable

[03:13:33]

** Staticwave_Ace pokes google **

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Tanthrix:

A few places, but nothing comprehensive. It sucks unfortunately, the whole situation.

[03:13:59]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: got a link?

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bbrooks:

Tanthrix tjcarter Thankyou both for your help, you have educated me a lot! thanks! :)

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Tanthrix:

No prob.

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Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: There's something in the mythtv wiki I think. Search it for QAM

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Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: ah, I see, thats all american :-/

[03:15:03]

Tanthrix:

It's highly unlikely you'll find the info though, since it varies by local franchise. Only good way to do it is to try it out

[03:15:22]

Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, trying it out means buying a card and paying for the server

[03:15:25]

Staticwave_Ace:

er, service

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Staticwave_Ace:

hehe

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: I just wrote a script to test all channels for firewire recording ;)

[03:15:30]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Oh, you're not in the states? Don't listem to me then, I don't have any experience with non-US TV and such

[03:15:39]

tjcarter:

of course, it requires an external channel changer

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Staticwave_Ace:

I read *somewhere* than canadian isn't

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Staticwave_Ace:

*that

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Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Nifty.

[03:16:05]

tjcarter:

which is fine, because INTERNAL channel changer for Scientific Atlanta 3250HD breaks badly for me.

[03:16:18]

tjcarter:

I have to use the -s flag to sa3250ch

[03:16:38]

tjcarter:

none of the first 200 channels work over firewire ;)

[03:16:42]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: if my TV found digital channels in my analog cable signal, do you suspect they're QAM?

[03:17:24]

tjcarter:

I suspect only 75[0–9] will for me.

[03:17:45]

tjcarter:

OTA network channels, essentially.

[03:17:52]

varun00:

shall no one heed my desparate calls for help? :)

[03:18:22]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Very likely.

[03:18:33]

Staticwave_Ace:

good to know

[03:18:36]

tjcarter:

varun00: desperate calls for help tend to be widely ignored.

[03:18:42]

** Staticwave_Ace looks up buying a HD5500 **

[03:18:52]

Staticwave_Ace:

anyone know of a dual-tuner digital card?

[03:18:55]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Go with an A180 – all the same features, but cheaper.

[03:19:04]

varun00:

tjcarter: shall no one heed my arrogant call for help? :D

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Tanthrix:

Or any other card that uses the chip that the A180 uses

[03:19:11]

tjcarter:

varun00: I don't recognize the error, so can't help you =)

[03:19:17]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: I like to hear things like that

[03:19:26]

varun00:

tjcarter: fair enough. Thanks anyways!

[03:19:28]

Tanthrix:

And people don't ignore errors, just that there is a ton of stuff that can go wrong that no one has any clue how to fix or help

[03:20:15]

** tjcarter doesn't think firewire is going to be very useful if MythTV is totally oblivious to whether it's using firewire or not. **

[03:20:34]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0

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varun00:

Tanthrix: I understand. I was just wondering if it was a common/known/recognized message

[03:20:51]

tjcarter:

it seems myth will happily schedule two things for the same STB because it doesn't know they're the same.

[03:20:51]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: thanks for the tip

[03:20:52]

Tanthrix:

I've got it – works great. Unfortunately my cable channels are encrypted, so all I get is the OTA.

[03:21:16]

tjcarter:

I can't figure out how to tell it that this firewire box it sees and the SVideo are the same external tuner.

[03:21:17]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: thats a single tuner right?

[03:21:30]

Tanthrix:

Took 20 minutes to go from box to working. THough about 1.5 hours to figure out how to map the damn zap2it channels to it. (Be prepared)

[03:21:38]

Tanthrix:

Aye.

[03:21:41]

jk1joel_home:

Any MythDVD Users in the house?

[03:21:47]

jk1joel_home:

I'm trying to rip some of my movies, and for most of them, it works fine, but for some it only shows "ISO Image" and "Perfect" quality options, no "Excellent" or "Good", etc. So I can't encode them with DivX/Xvid. Any hints on what to look at?

[03:21:49]

Tanthrix:

Never seen any dual digital tuners.

[03:21:54]

** Staticwave_Ace curses building a box with only a single PCI slot **

[03:22:13]

Tanthrix:

Oooo, bad move! :P

[03:22:21]

Tanthrix:

I made sure to get one with 4

[03:22:30]

tjcarter:

do any myth-supported cards capture component video at 768p? ;)

[03:22:45]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: its nice and tiny though... Shuttle SS30G2

[03:22:46]

Tanthrix:

None, unfortunately.

[03:23:01]

tjcarter:

So STB means no HD? =(

[03:23:03]

Staticwave_Ace:

my server can be a secondary backend I guess, its got lots of ports

[03:23:04]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Ahh, I see. Mine is a BUB (Big Ugly Box) that hides in the closet

[03:23:15]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Not unless you can get firewire working.

[03:23:33]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: I can for like 5 channels I think.. None of the first 300.

[03:23:44]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: so does this A180 have the 4 different QAM standards?

[03:23:48]

Tanthrix:

They're probably all 5C-ed then.

[03:24:01]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: 750–759 probably are not.

[03:24:17]

tjcarter:

750 definitely is not.

[03:24:24]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: I think QAM is QAM for the most part, it's just the different frequency sets that are different.

[03:24:46]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: so how do I tell Myth to use firewire for those channels and svideo for all others?

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tjcarter:

I have been up and down the wiki and I am pretty much convinced it can't be done.

[03:25:19]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: ah, QAM64 and QAM256

[03:25:26]

jk1joel_home:

Tanthrix: there are actually several different variations of QAM for the different encoding styles

[03:25:28]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Setup two separate inputs, and have two separate channel line ups. (Probably need 2 zap2it accounts.) Then in the zap2it settings, disable all channels but the ones that the card will be using

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: can do that with one account.

[03:26:01]

Tanthrix:

But isn't 64 backwards compatible with 256? In any case, I'm not sure about the card.

[03:26:20]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: the problem is that if you do, myth will schedule two recordings on the same STB

[03:26:28]

Tanthrix:

Oh, right. HRm.

[03:26:31]

tjcarter:

one on the svideo input, one on the firewire input

[03:26:40]

tjcarter:

That would be bad.

[03:26:51]

Tanthrix:

You mean if you have two recordings scheduled at the same time.

[03:26:56]

tjcarter:

yes

[03:27:17]

tjcarter:

I don't see how to tell myth that these separate inputs are actually the same box.

[03:27:58]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: My advice? Ask your cable company for one of the non-DVR cheap STBs for another TV, then set it up separetly.

[03:28:14]

jk1joel_home:

so nobody has any ideas on my MythDVD Divx problem?

[03:28:17]

tjcarter:

They'll charge me another $6 for that.

[03:28:22]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: ooh, the HDHomeRun is a dual tuner

[03:28:33]

Tanthrix:

Staticwave_Ace: Oh, that's right! I forgot about that

[03:28:37]

jk1joel_home:

I noticed that the disc I'm trying to encode only has 5 chanel ac3 for the main title

[03:28:53]

jk1joel_home:

is mtd unable to down-sample or use the 5ch ac3 track?

[03:29:05]

** tjcarter wants a cablecard-using capture card. **

[03:29:05]

Staticwave_Ace:

Tanthrix: that looks quite ideal, QAM and such, with dual, and then I can install a dedicated network card for it

[03:29:17]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Yah, it's a bit extra, but I think using s-video and firewire on the same box is asking for troube. My firewire setup doesn't even remain stable for more than 4 days at a time.

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Tanthrix:

But, I've been told some people have it working perfectly. (Not that I believe that)

[03:30:27]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: this box apparently works very well with firewire. The problem is the channel changing, which is best done with the external command anyway

[03:30:39]

tjcarter:

which people? I must harass them for details. =D

[03:31:14]

Tanthrix:

kormoc got all pissy once when I told some person new to myth that firewire recording was one of the least reliable methods of recording stuff via myth

[03:31:41]

Tanthrix:

(Was meaning in comparison to say a PVR-150, obviously a some random ass frame grabber will be worse than firewire, etc.)

[03:32:07]

Tanthrix:

Not sure if he has it, but he's the one that told me many of the devs use it all the time and stuff

[03:32:37]

tjcarter:

I have a random ass frame grabber which is now actually supported by Linux, but not autodetectable.

[03:32:53]

tjcarter:

I gave up having it in the BE with my PVR-500

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tjcarter:

and I sorely regret the PVR-500 even today, I still can't get the tuners to work for anything useful.

[03:33:30]

Tanthrix:

Not even with an amp?

[03:33:40]

tjcarter:

overdrives one, underdrives the other.

[03:33:49]

Tanthrix:

And this may be dangerous, but if you look at the board do you think it would be possible to solder on a connector to each input?

[03:34:03]

Tanthrix:

(Dangerous as in, you might break your card)

[03:34:06]

tjcarter:

THAT would fix the problem.

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Tanthrix:

Might not be so hard

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tjcarter:

I just can't help but think that there's got to be a way to get HD content that isn't PBS into Myth ;)

[03:35:39]

tjcarter:

actually, it happens that tuner 1 works fine without an amp

[03:35:45]

tjcarter:

tuner 2 needs the amp badly

[03:35:51]

Tanthrix:

Not if it's coming via cable and it's 5Ced

[03:36:04]

Tanthrix:

You are completely at the mercy of the cable companies

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jk1joel_home:

well so much for my theory on my rip not working because of 5 channel ac3. I just found one disc that ripped fine and was 5 ch ac3

[03:36:27]

tjcarter:

My thinking was to use the 3250HD for the second encoder and never use tuner 2

[03:37:07]

tjcarter:

but dammit, I wanna watch NOVA in 1080 deinterlaced or something

[03:37:29]

Tanthrix:

Thought you just said PBS is working?

[03:38:01]

tjcarter:

yeah but it looks like it's choose between using this box for HD firewire or use it for a tuner

[03:38:03]

jk1joel_home:

Does Divx support all the framerates and interlace modes that DVD supports?

[03:38:17]

jk1joel_home:

could it be that what I'm trying to rip won't work with Divx?

[03:38:21]

tjcarter:

and NOVA isn't worth $6/month ;)

[03:38:32]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Third option: Buy an A180 and get PBS and all your OTA hd channels with no muss and no fuss

[03:38:45]

Tanthrix:

I bought one specifically to get PBS, since it is 5Ced over the firewire

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tjcarter:

bastards

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Tanthrix:

Only $80 – and the only absolutely reliable way to get HD content, even if it is only OTA stuff

[03:39:36]

jk1joel_home:

My HDHomeRun is extremely reliable for HD OTA

[03:39:39]

jk1joel_home:

and it has 2 tuners

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jk1joel_home:

and it can do QAM for unencrypted cable

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Tanthrix:

jk1joel: My thoughts would be that you're missing the libraries or whatever necessary for divx/xvid, so when you compiled it did not include support.

[03:40:39]

varun00:

does anyone know what the "libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c: 2019 for vts_attributes->last_byte+1 >= VTS_ATTRIBUTES_MIN_SIZE" error means? I get that message on an infinite loop when I try and play a DVD with mplayer

[03:40:45]

Tanthrix:

But I've never used mythdvd, so I don't have any idea

[03:40:59]

tjcarter:

I suspect i get like 5 QAM channels

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varun00:

(there should be a line break between 2019 and for)

[03:42:03]

tjcarter:

I suppose sat is a possibility if an eastern exposure works..

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** tjcarter in apartment **

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Tanthrix:

varun00: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=e . . . ;btnG=Search <--Start reading, looks like some people are having that prob

[03:44:24]

Tanthrix:

varun00: What do you see in your system logs?

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varun00:

Tanthrix: ah.......I was searching for the whole string, and that didn't really return anything useful

[03:44:55]

Tanthrix:

Sometimes good to split it up for really crazy errors, especially ones that have possibly unique numbers in them.

[03:45:14]

Tanthrix:

varun00: Pastebin your /var/log/syslog

[03:46:00]

varun00:

Tanthrix: yessir. one sec.

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tjcarter:

I was correct, 75x

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Tanthrix:

varun00: I don't got all day, the gf is bugging me to get off the computer! :P

[03:53:15]

varun00:

Tanthrix: just 2 minutes, sir. I'm so sorry. I need to grab the logfile from the mythtv box onto my laptop :(

[03:53:39]

Tanthrix:

No prob. Just making sure you're on it. ;)

[03:55:25]

varun00:

Tanthrix: http://pastebin.com/d39260ebb. I'm so sorry. I accidently sshed into the wrong linux box :-$

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, I've done that before

[03:56:36]

Tanthrix:

Yah, something is definately not right with the drive. (Your problem isn't with myth, but with libdvdread and the drive specifically)

[03:56:40]

Tanthrix:

Are you in the US?

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varun00:

Tanthrix: yes sir

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Tanthrix:

Well, I'd follow that first hit on google and use regionset to set the drive to region1 to see if that fixes it

[03:57:17]

Tanthrix:

http://linvdr.org/download/regionset/

[03:58:02]

Tanthrix:

Looks like you're having the exact same problem as this guy: http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/l . . . /031848.html

[03:58:22]

varun00:

Tanthrix: let me try that.

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Tanthrix:

I'll be afk here and there, but let me know if it works or not.

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varun00:

Tanthrix: hm. The drive is acting funny. I'm beginning to wonder if there is something wrong with the drive. It says media not found, and it won't eject.

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Tanthrix:

That's possible, though it could also be a side effect of the region problem.

[04:05:10]

varun00:

Tanthrix: I'm going to swap out the

[04:05:31]

varun00:

Tanthrix: woops.......stupid enter key always gets in the way of my typing. swap out the drive, I meant

[04:05:51]

Tanthrix:

Probably a good plan. That might fix both problems at the same time actually.

[04:06:40]

varun00:

Tanthrix: I will let you know. In case you go AFK, thanks so much for the assist.

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varun00:

!@$#!@$ shut down the wrong linux box

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varun00:

all this hastiness.......do I really want to see Grandma's Boy this bad?

[04:08:42]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[04:08:51]

Tanthrix:

and NP

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: there is another problem.. MythTV cannot properly change channels on my 3250HD. sa3250ch with the -s flag

[04:20:48]

tjcarter:

but sa3250ch doesn't support more than one tuner at present

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TTT_Travis:

it's too bad there is no way to get sd and digital channels via firewire on the sa3250hd

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TTT_Travis:

but I guess it makes sense

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TTT_Travis:

I can't believe how many people have a a 3250hd when I got mine I was like wow this is a pos my cable provider needs better boxes, but I guess they are super popular

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varun00:

Tanthrix: yea....so I guess I had to set the region and install libdvdcss2.....I thought mythbuntu would have it, but I guess not :-\

[05:18:09]

Tanthrix:

So that did the trick?

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varun00:

Tanthrix: yup :-) once again, thank so much

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bjweeks:

I'm getting a small bar of interference with DTV (not HD) channels with my pcHDTV 5500, any ideas what could cause it?

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varun00:

Tanthrix: now I just need to get sound to work.......and Grandma's Boy, here I come :-D

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metalac:

hey guys

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metalac:

you think that core 2 duo 2.13 will show HD fine on a back/frontend box?

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opello:

one would hope

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metalac:

I do too

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metalac:

my current AMD 3200+ ain't cutting it quite without XVMC

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TTT_Travis:

anyone know how wake on lan works? to conserver power I want to send my frontends into low power or off at a certain time, that part isn't very hard, what I also want to do is have them come back on at a certain time

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TTT_Travis:

so say off at 2am back on at 8am or whatever

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opello:

some motherboards' support timed intervals like that

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opello:

but wake on lan uses a special packet, called the 'magic packet'

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opello:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN#How_it_works

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opello:

should be a program you can download somewhere that asks for a mac, or it wouldn't be too hard to write

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TTT_Travis:

k I'll look into that

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TTT_Travis:

I think this NIC card supposedly has wake on lan

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gts:

My mythtv credits table vanished after a power outage, and I cannot find the syntax needed in phpmyadmin to recreate the table ... anybody know where to find it?

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Agrajag-:

in the backup you make

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gts:

:P

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gts:

But seriously — you know where I can find that at?

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gts:

I haven't even been able to locate it in SVN.

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varun00:

GOT SOUND WORKING

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varun00:

sorry just needed to share :-$

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epaulson:

how can I turn up the bitrate of my pvr250? I've been googling, but everything seems to be from 2003, and ivtv has changed a lot since then

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epaulson:

watching live tv with the pvr250 is pretty painful, any real movement in the picture causes a lot of noise in the stream

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varun00:

if I have a 7600GT and an X2 5000+, should I use xvmc?

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epaulson:

I've checked my hard drive with hdparm, I've got dma turned on

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Tanthrix:

bjweeks: Is it at the top?

[07:07:19]

Tanthrix:

bjweeks: If so, that's normal. Just gotta overscan to get rid of it. I have my video overscan set to +2,+2 and it takes care of it nicely

[07:08:02]

Tanthrix:

(It's part of the video, not the fault of the card – IIRC that bar is not interferance but has information such as closed captioning and other things)

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varun00:

when I do a mplayer dvd:// -ao alsa:device=spdif -ac hwac3, I get a message saying "cannot find codec for format 0x2000" and there is no sound

[07:13:20]

varun00:

googling seems to suggest I need to compile mplayer with hwac3 support, but I was wondering if there was any other way to do it?

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Tanthrix:

If it ain't got the libraries it needs to do it, then there's probably no way to make it work without them

[07:14:19]

Tanthrix:

The good news though is that mplayer compiles relatively quickly compared to say myth

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varun00:

Tanthrix: without a recompile, right?

[07:14:38]

varun00:

Tanthrix: ah ok

[07:14:46]

Tanthrix:

No, with a recompile if that's what it says

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varun00:

Tanthrix: heh.....what I meant was "no way to make it work without them, without a recompile"

[07:16:12]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I gotcha – my answer was essentially "no" ;)

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varun00:

Tanthrix: have you heard about mplayer-custom?

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Tanthrix:

Actually I haven't – what's that about?

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varun00:

it's supposed to be a precompiled mplayer.......but with all the extra codec stuff compiled in

[07:33:52]

varun00:

but I can't find it, so I gave up......and now am trying to figure out how to compile hardware ac3 support into mplayer

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varun00:

Tanthrix: so this is more a Linux question.....but since you have proved a godsend once, I'll try you again :-) I'm kind of confused about how my system is going to handle the installed mplayer and the mplayer I am going to compile. Or should I remove mplayer first?

[07:36:19]

hads:

You don't have to but it's probably safest if you are unsure.

[07:37:11]

varun00:

hads: do you know how to compile support for particular codecs into mplayer? I can't seem to find it in the docs

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Tanthrix:

varun00: hads is correct. As a rule of thumb, if I can easily uninstall first I always do. If I can't, then, just gotta hope the developer has taken that into consideration ;)

[07:39:28]

Tanthrix:

As far as compiling support for codecs, generally it involves installing a certain library necessary for that feature

[07:39:48]

Tanthrix:

And then when you do a ./configure, somewhere in the output it will say "Checking for feature X....ok!"

[07:39:53]

varun00:

so I need to figure out what library has the ac3 codec?

[07:40:07]

Tanthrix:

Yes. One sec

[07:40:50]

varun00:

10–4

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hads:

`./configure --help | less` may have details for you

[07:41:03]

Tanthrix:

varun00: Well, let's back up a second. You're trying to do hardware output over SPDIF right?

[07:41:25]

varun00:

Tanthrix: yessir

[07:41:54]

Tanthrix:

Why is it that it takes about a thousand years to find a howto doc for any OSS project?

[07:42:06]

varun00:

Tanthrix: well what I am trying to do is hardware dolby digital decoding.......I'm not sure if that's teh same thing :-\

[07:42:09]

Tanthrix:

If I ever run one, the main site is going to have a 600x600 pixel square that says "DOCUMENTATION" on it

[07:42:14]

varun00:

haha

[07:42:24]

varun00:

I suppose because they are coders, not writers?

[07:42:38]

Tanthrix:

And I'm not going to have a bloody FAQ, then HOWTO, and then documentation either

[07:43:14]

varun00:

yea I guess it can get a bit confusing

[07:44:03]

Tanthrix:

Could you give me the exact error you were getting when the passthrough wasn't working?

[07:44:38]

varun00:

"cannot find codec for format 0x2000"

[07:44:57]

varun00:

is that what you mean? or is there some other error I should be looking for?

[07:45:00]

Tanthrix:

You sure that's word for word? No hits on google

[07:45:33]

varun00:

one sec

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Flexy:

how do I get that multirec branch?

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varun00:

crap...now it's another error......."alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1242: snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D2p failed: Device or resource busy" :-S

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varun00:

that's really weird

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Tanthrix:

Are you playing the same file as before?

[07:48:15]

Tanthrix:

AC3 and DTS are different things, maybe you were trying one earlier instead of the one you're trying now?

[07:48:18]

varun00:

exact same DVD

[07:48:42]

varun00:

no it's the same command......hit the "up" button

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Tanthrix:

varun00: Try doing it as root (if you're not already) just to make sure it's not a permissions issue

[07:50:16]

varun00:

oh....good call....one sec

[07:50:19]

Tanthrix:

But that error makes me think that mplayer is fine, it's ALSA or the communication between mplayer and ALSA that is at fault

[07:51:01]

varun00:

woah.....now I get the "cannot find codec for audio format 0x2000"

[07:51:09]

Tanthrix:

As root?

[07:51:13]

varun00:

yessir

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Tanthrix:

Try it both ways again to confirm that you get different errors each time

[07:51:29]

varun00:

so maybe my mythtv user isn't in the audio group?

[07:52:09]

juski:

varun00: maybe you need liblame or similar – some distros don't come with any means of playing mpeg format audio

[07:52:11]

varun00:

yup.....as mythtv, alsa-lib error.......as root, cannot find codec error

[07:52:12]

Tanthrix:

Well, I'm suspicious since it seems to be inconsistent

[07:52:33]

Tanthrix:

juski: He's trying to do AC3/DTS passthrough

[07:52:40]

juski:

ah righto

[07:52:56]

juski:

just throwing that in there since I've seen it a few times

[07:53:02]

varun00:

<small voice>what is passthrough?

[07:53:02]

Flexy:

is the multirec branch in svn?

[07:53:05]

Tanthrix:

varun00: And earlier when you got the 0x2000 error, were you root as well?

[07:53:33]

varun00:

I am assuming so......I've been doing so much, I honestly can't remember for sure.......sorry :-(

[07:54:09]

Tanthrix:

varun00: It's passing the straight digital audio from a digital source to a reciever without any processing instead of having the computer doing the processing and outputting analog

[07:54:37]

varun00:

ahh

[07:55:02]

Tanthrix:

varun00: So for this to work you need either a coax (really a decent regular RCA cable will do) or optical digital output from your sound card, and an input to a reciever that is DTS capable – do you have this setup?

[07:55:11]

varun00:

yessir

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Tanthrix:

Ok, just making sure.

[07:55:34]

varun00:

XMystique 7.1, coax, and my receiver does DD & DTS

[07:55:40]

Tanthrix:

My thought is that you have a two fold problem

[07:55:46]

juski:

Flexy: the multirec branch isn't really fit for anything other than testing right now AFAIK, but it's in svn & has its own branch

[07:55:49]

Tanthrix:

1) Permissions aren't right so only root can access the card

[07:56:06]

Tanthrix:

and 2) When you run as root problem 1 isn't an issue, but you still don't have mplayer compiled with proper support

[07:56:30]

varun00:

I suppose I could resolve (1) by adding mythtv to the audio group.....?

[07:56:49]

Flexy:

juski: right, how do I get it, I'm totally new to svn. And I kind of need to try it, so that perhaps WAF raises to same level than in vdr...

[07:56:51]

Tanthrix:

For now, don't worry about that.

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varun00:

ok

[07:57:48]

Tanthrix:

One sec while I read up on the 0x2000 error

[07:57:57]

Tanthrix:

Also, what are you passing to the command line to test this?

[07:58:15]

varun00:

mplayer dvd:// -ao alsa:device=spdif -ac hwac3

[07:59:08]

juski:

Flexy: I really don't recommend you go for it unless you can submit good bug reports. It's in its own branch because it's hairy, very alpha code.

[07:59:20]

Tanthrix:

Could you add an "> file.txt" no quotes after that then pastebin it for me?

[08:00:31]

Flexy:

juski: ok. still, I need to try it

[08:00:54]

varun00:

Tanthrix: yessir. one sec. And hopefully it won't take an hour this time :-$

[08:01:00]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[08:01:09]

juski:

Flexy: well, you're gonna need all the dependencies to build it – ubuntu for example allows you to apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

[08:01:16]

juski:

Flexy: then you need a subversion client

[08:01:38]

juski:

then you check out the latest code (see svn.mythtv.org for hints) & build it

[08:02:01]

Flexy:

I do have it, I've testing with normal svn right now, with instructions from myth homepage

[08:02:03]

juski:

this is all after backing up your database & uninstalling any previously installed mythtv stuff

[08:02:18]

Flexy:

ok

[08:02:32]

Flexy:

thanks

[08:03:00]

varun00:

Tanthrix: http://pastebin.com/d18eca84b

[08:03:01]

juski:

Flexy: doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out how to svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/mythtv-multirec/mythtv&nbs p;:)

[08:03:28]

juski:

maybe not that last /mythtv

[08:03:44]

varun00:

Tanthrix: the "Cannot find codec for audio format 0x2000" printed to screen, but not to file

[08:04:18]

Tanthrix:

Anything else that printed to screen but didn't make it to the file?

[08:04:29]

Flexy:

juski: right. thanks :)

[08:05:21]

juski:

varun00: see http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-u . . . /067481.html – found from searching for "Cannot find codec for audio format 0x2000" on google

[08:05:23]

varun00:

Tanthrix: yea....some stuff about the joystick, lirc support, mga, vo_tdfxfb, vo_3dfx.....the selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec

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voltagex:

svn, wheeeeeee

[08:05:55]

varun00:

juski: yea I saw that....it's just the problem, no solution :(

[08:06:07]

Tanthrix:

juski: He's trying to do a DVD, not whatever special format the hd-dvd uses

[08:06:07]

juski:

and http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-u . . . /067684.html

[08:06:23]

voltagex:

backend has been stable as, its the Mac frontend that's driving me beresk.

[08:06:37]

juski:

usually unknown codec errors mean just that

[08:06:52]

juski:

if it couldn't access the output device, surely it's just say that

[08:07:12]

Tanthrix:

voltagex: Alright, enough of this. Go here http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html, download the source, do "tar xjf sourcefile.whatever," then run the ./configure > file.txt and pastebin that

[08:07:32]

Tanthrix:

Likely you're just missing the libraries necessary

[08:07:37]

Tanthrix:

What distro are you on?

[08:07:39]

varun00:

Tanthrix: I did a apt-get source mplayer.......can I use that configure? or no?

[08:07:46]

varun00:

Tanthrix: mythbuntu

[08:08:07]

voltagex:

Tanthrix: hi, I'm not the person you should be scolding

[08:08:19]

voltagex:

varun00: ah, there's your problem, go downlod Ubuntu proper.

[08:08:28]

Tanthrix:

To be honest, I've never used debian based distros, so I'm not sure. I think it'd be better for you to grab the latest source straight from the site

[08:08:36]

varun00:

Tanthrix: yessir

[08:08:38]

Tanthrix:

voltagex: Sorry ;) (And I wasn't scolding, for the record)

[08:09:10]

Tanthrix:

More like defiantly proclaiming the next step on how to attack this problem. (Though, for the record, I've never done hardware passthrough, so I'm just guessing here)

[08:09:39]

voltagex:

whoa...mythbuntu popped up and I didn't notice it

[08:09:43]

voltagex:

shiny site

[08:10:32]

voltagex:

Tanthrix: can you defiantly proclaim the next step to solve my problem now?

[08:10:45]

Flexy:

juski: svn complains about URL not existing...

[08:10:48]

varun00:

http://pastebin.com/da07e891

[08:10:54]

voltagex:

No video output on a Mac OS X build of MythTV

[08:11:18]

voltagex:

Flexy: can you pastebin the error? I think it might be exactly what I'm getting

[08:11:47]

juski:

Flexy: I said "maybe without that last /mythtv" ;)

[08:12:10]

Flexy:

juski: aaah, stupid me :D

[08:12:17]

varun00:

Tanthrix: hm I wonder why it said I have no ALSA audio

[08:12:57]

voltagex:

aha. 2007-07–13 18:11:13.285 Opening NULL audio device.

[08:12:59]

juski:

Flexy: the rest of it – on your own head be it. Don't be surprised if the WAF goes way, way down – but the developers will thank you for good bug reports

[08:13:02]

Flexy:

voltagex: not much pasting, it was just that, missing url

[08:13:20]

voltagex:

ok not related to my problem.

[08:13:23]

Flexy:

juski: right :) I'll try it atleast

[08:13:39]

voltagex:

I have many problems, not many can be solved by #mythtv-users

[08:14:21]

voltagex:

I seem to have a penchant for SVN^H^H^Hpain

[08:14:38]

juski:

Flexy: make sure to back up your DB before installing. there's no going back otherwise!

[08:14:50]

Flexy:

juski: I'll do that

[08:14:59]

Tanthrix:

varun00: Yah, you seem to be missing quite a bit in there.

[08:15:10]

Tanthrix:

varun00: Make sure alsa-dev is installed, or something similar to that

[08:15:14]

juski:

voltagex: same for me when I have problems too

[08:15:26]

voltagex:

ok, the frontend doesn't seem to have ANY codecs available to it.

[08:15:41]

varun00:

Tanthrix: hm ok

[08:15:44]

Tanthrix:

varun00: Also, you're going to need to install libdts

[08:15:49]

Flexy:

juski: ok, just one question. themes and plugins, where, how?

[08:15:54]

voltagex:

my front+backend box works fine, but my laptop's frontend is broken, badly.

[08:16:03]

juski:

Flexy: dunno about that

[08:16:14]

juski:

not for that branch

[08:16:23]

varun00:

Tanthrix: check

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Flexy:

juski: ok

[08:17:30]

Tanthrix:

varun00: And lirc if you're going to use a remote. And libdvdnav as well

[08:17:39]

varun00:

Tanthrix: got it

[08:17:52]

Tanthrix:

Then rerun, and you should see alsa there, as well as yes for lirc, libdvdnav, libdts, etc..

[08:18:19]

Tanthrix:

(Don't know if make clean is necessary, but I usually do it just to be sure)

[08:20:00]

Tanthrix:

Pastebin the output again if you'd be so kind

[08:20:53]

Tanthrix:

varun00: Ok, you're missing more than I thought here.

[08:21:00]

varun00:

Tanthrix: I can't seem to find libdts and libdvdnav

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hads:

What distro are you using?

[08:21:15]

varun00:

ubuntu

[08:21:22]

varun00:

well....mythbuntu, really

[08:21:28]

voltagex:

no, it's mythbuntu

[08:21:36]

voltagex:

which != ubuntu

[08:21:41]

varun00:

apologies

[08:21:49]

hads:

Have you `apt-get build-dep mplayer`

[08:21:55]

varun00:

hads....yessir

[08:22:17]

Tanthrix:

varun00: You need xv as well, that's uber important

[08:22:29]

varun00:

ah libdts got installed

[08:22:32]

hads:

OK, just thought I check on my way past without reading the backlog :)

[08:24:10]

varun00:

Tanthrix: that came in with the build-deps. All that I am missing is libdvdnav and libdts

[08:24:35]

Tanthrix:

Ok, re pastebin the output if you would after all these changes

[08:24:57]

varun00:

http://pastebin.com/d3643d10f

[08:26:56]

Tanthrix:

Much better!

[08:27:10]

Tanthrix:

Now go ahead and compile it

[08:27:47]

Tanthrix:

While that's doing that uninstall your old version of mplayer. Then when it finishes, do make install and give it a try again.

[08:28:03]

varun00:

yessir

[08:28:08]

** varun00 crosses his fingers **

[08:28:11]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[08:31:01]

varun00:

Tanthrix: any idea how long this should take on a AMD 5000+ (2.6 GHz)?

[08:31:58]

Tanthrix:

My guess is >12 minutes, plus or minus 20 minutes

[08:32:00]

Tanthrix:

;)

[08:32:06]

varun00:

heh....fair enough

[08:32:06]

Tanthrix:

Er, <12

[08:32:15]

Tanthrix:

It's pretty quick IIRC

[08:32:38]

varun00:

that's fine......I was just looking for a ballpark......got work in 5 hours :(

[08:33:18]

Tanthrix:

If you want to sleep I'll be around tomorrow

[08:33:32]

varun00:

o wow

[08:33:32]

varun00:

done

[08:33:38]

Tanthrix:

That was fast.

[08:33:43]

varun00:

well..the make, anywyas

[08:33:55]

Tanthrix:

Sure no errors? That was too quick..

[08:34:16]

varun00:

didn't say anything

[08:34:30]

varun00:

make install worked fine

[08:34:38]

Tanthrix:

K, give it a try.

[08:34:52]

Tanthrix:

And don't be too disheartened if it doesn't work – takes quite a bit of tinkering sometimes to fix these problems.

[08:36:28]

varun00:

yea same thing.......cannot find audio codec :)

[08:36:49]

Tanthrix:

Damn.

[08:37:09]

varun00:

oh well......I'm going to go dream about stuff working out of the box.....I'll pick this up tomorrow

[08:37:09]

Tanthrix:

What were you passing to the command line again for that?

[08:37:20]

Tanthrix:

(Sorry, I've got a head ache and scrolling up would make it hurt too much)

[08:37:40]

varun00:

oh

[08:37:42]

varun00:

shit

[08:37:43]

varun00:

shit

[08:37:44]

varun00:

shit

[08:37:50]

Tanthrix:

Problem?

[08:38:10]

varun00:

it should have been mplayer dvd:// -ao alsa:device=spdif -ac hwac3

[08:38:14]

varun00:

but I forgot to type the 3

[08:38:24]

Tanthrix:

Working now?

[08:38:39]

varun00:

no....now I get the device or resource busy problem

[08:38:46]

Tanthrix:

Running as root?

[08:39:04]

varun00:

if I scroll up, I it finds the codec just fine

[08:39:05]

varun00:

yea

[08:39:12]

varun00:

god I feel like an idiot

[08:39:21]

Flexy:

is there any usb dvb-t devices that works in linux? linuxtv.org/wiki does not list any... dvb-c usb side has 4 listed.

[08:40:10]

Tanthrix:

No worries, it happens.

[08:40:19]

Tanthrix:

So it never had that codec problem likely, just the ALSA problem?

[08:40:23]

varun00:

Tanthrix: this combination of gratitude and apologeticness is very discomforting

[08:40:24]

varun00:

yea

[08:41:09]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, don't worry about it. It be late, I've done far wose.

[08:41:24]

Tanthrix:

Well, tomorrow you/we can tackle that then.

[08:41:25]

Flexy:

ah, found them under a different link

[08:41:33]

varun00:

Tanthrix: yea I'm really sorry man. Thanks so much, again. I shall name my first born Tanthrix.

[08:41:38]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[08:42:00]

varun00:

Tanthrix: hopefully I'll catch you tomorrow........but thanks so much everything you've done today

[08:42:02]

Tanthrix:

varun00: Under the far worse catagory, back when I was new to linux, I deleted a drive mount thinking that it was just a "shortcut" to a drive.

[08:42:06]

Tanthrix:

Deleted the whole partition

[08:42:16]

varun00:

Tanthrix: LOL

[08:42:22]

Tanthrix:

(Though, your mistake was not a knowledge issue, just a typo issue, but all the same)

[08:42:45]

varun00:

I've been going at this for about 8 hours straight now......I need to take breaks

[08:42:52]

Tanthrix:

And I'm glad to help. I'll be around tomorrow if you need help monkeying with alsa.

[08:42:58]

Tanthrix:

Breaks are good. Try not to do more than 4 at a time.

[08:43:08]

Tanthrix:

After that it's a crap shoot usually. (Case in point, what you just did)

[08:43:13]

varun00:

Tanthrix: heh. true.

[08:43:16]

varun00:

thanks again

[08:43:19]

Tanthrix:

g'night

[08:45:05]

Tanthrix:

juski: I'm starting work on that "Choose your own adventure style" HOWTO guide to myth that I mentioned a while back

[08:45:50]

Tanthrix:

juski: Seems like there are a huge amount of people coming in lately asking about hdtv, firewire, etc.., so my goal is to make this guide a nice link we can send those asking instead of repeating the whole story everytime

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cyberdune:

hello

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cyberdune is now known as ice2

[08:49:34]

ice2:

i need some help

[08:50:07]

ice2:

my mythtv-box has some errors while playing live-tv..

[08:51:52]

Tanthrix:

Such as?

[08:52:48]

ice2:

im copying

[08:53:40]

ice2:

invalid mb type at 0 10

[08:53:47]

ice2:

ac-tex damaged at 0 31

[08:53:50]

ice2:

etc..

[08:54:00]

ice2:

dont know what to do..

[08:54:09]

ice2:

live tv is scrambled..

[08:54:36]

Tanthrix:

Try searching the mailing list for your specific errors

[08:55:21]

ice2:

yes... ive done.. the suggested help does not work..

[08:55:46]

ice2:

they told me to use -dumpstream with mplayer..

[08:56:01]

Tanthrix:

What kind of tuner card are you using?

[08:56:32]

ice2:

hauppauge nova-s plus

[08:57:06]

Tanthrix:

Sorry, don't have any experience with that. Is it a dvb card?

[08:57:23]

juski:

yeah it's dvb-s

[08:57:27]

Tanthrix:

I think I get those ac-tex damaged errors when my signal strength is low on my ATSC card, so that might be a factor

[08:57:29]

ice2:

yes this is a dvb-s card..

[08:57:57]

ice2:

signal strength is above 95%

[08:58:06]

juski:

ice2: the 'scrambling' issue sounds like you've got signal problems

[08:58:31]

juski:

test the card with szap & mplayer – but you'll have to stop mythbackend first

[08:58:37]

juski:

or try kaffeine

[08:58:42]

Tanthrix:

Maybe the signal strenth indicator is lying

[08:58:56]

juski:

some drivers report the signal strength back to front

[08:59:16]

juski:

the one for my card reports $ffff signal with the aerial unplugged!

[08:59:18]

ice2:

well.. ive used another box and this one is working well.. seems to be an error of my mythtv for me..

[08:59:26]

juski:

nevermind another box

[08:59:32]

juski:

test the tuner outside of mythtv

[08:59:46]

juski:

it won't be a mythtv problem, you can bet on it

[09:00:04]

juski:

test the tuner outside of mythtv – it's the only way to be sure it even works right in linux

[09:00:08]

ice2:

ok ill test

[09:00:16]

ice2:

thank you

[09:00:31]

juski:

mythtv takes the blame for too many problems caused by factors unrelated to the program

[09:00:50]

ice2:

im away for a cuple of minutes

[09:00:55]

ice2:

but thank you anyway..

[09:03:04]

juski:

if the card is fine in a different box with the same dish & LNB, yet doesn't work properly when you test it outside mythtv in the box you want to run mythtv on – I'd suspect the PSU

[09:04:12]

Tanthrix:

That seems odd. Wouldn't it be far more likely that there is some kind of weird configuration error / hardware issue? Never heard of a tuner card not working well due to a PSU when everything else is fine and dandy. (No reboots, etc..)

[09:04:41]

Tanthrix:

No experience with dvb though

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juski:

Tanthrix: I've heard of it. helped another guy out & it was the last thing it could possibly be. he eventually relented & tried a new PSU – cured the problem

[09:04:59]

Tanthrix:

interesting

[09:05:01]

juski:

since the card powers the LNB...

[09:05:47]

juski:

LNBs & switches etc can take their power from the signal coax – all a draw on the PC's PSU

[09:06:32]

juski:

if the 12V rail dips too low that'd cause all kinds of issues – you can't say that just because everything else works ok that the tuner isn't more sensitive to 12V variations

[09:06:50]

Tanthrix:

True enough.

[09:07:03]

juski:

since ice2 said the card works fine in another box it's a likely suspect

[09:07:43]

juski:

it's either that or some incompatibility with the motherboard IMHO

[09:08:01]

juski:

this is why I'm always prattling on about making sure your hardware works before even trying mythtv

[09:08:14]

juski:

s/works/works in linux

[09:10:50]

Tanthrix:

Definately a good idea.

[09:10:59]

Tanthrix:

Off to bed.

[09:11:03]

juski:

night

[09:17:15]

** juski receives http://www.wwcoms.com/products/product_brochures/wwasp-pb-r1.pdf in his email **

[09:17:48]

juski:

it takes DVI input!!!!

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juski:

ahem..

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Hugolp:

hi

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ice2:

hey guys.

[09:59:35]

ice2:

it didnt work either

[10:00:44]

juski:

ice2: so it's not a mythtv problem then :)

[10:00:51]

ice2:

but i remember that on my first setup i tried mplayer and all worked fine. after installing a DVD-RW on my box the signal is still above 90% but bitstream errors rises.

[10:00:55]

ice2:

now my question:

[10:01:11]

juski:

ice2: maybe the problem is caused by your PSU

[10:01:34]

ice2:

do you think that it could be possibly a 12V problem – AS I AM USING A 12V BOARD

[10:01:55]

ice2:

i have a MINI AT-X Board

[10:01:59]

juski:

THAT'S WHY MY MONEY'S ON

[10:02:04]

juski:

oops

[10:02:14]

juski:

that's where my money's on :)

[10:02:20]

hads:

:)

[10:02:20]

ice2:

so what you think juski

[10:02:30]

juski:

I think you should maybe try a different PSU

[10:03:09]

juski:

unless you have another way to power the LNB

[10:03:13]

hads:

I think it could be lots of things.

[10:03:40]

juski:

if it worked before adding the DVD-RW drive, maybe try removing it

[10:03:49]

ice2:

my board gets 12V – 60W. Is it possible that there is not enough power strength left for the LNB?

[10:03:53]

juski:

hads: my bet is on the PSU. seen this here before

[10:04:06]

ice2:

then it is not a PSU problem, but a voltage one

[10:04:06]

hads:

Worth a crack

[10:04:11]

juski:

ice2: if you can measure the 12V rail with a meter I'd see what it is

[10:04:30]

juski:

ice2: that'd still be a PSU problem

[10:04:40]

ice2:

ok, i go on investigating – maybe its a case for the wiki after ;-)

[10:04:53]

juski:

well not so much a problem as such – just that the psu can't give out enough juice for your setup

[10:04:57]

ice2:

define PSU pls

[10:05:04]

juski:

power supply unit

[10:05:10]

ice2:

ok

[10:05:17]

ice2:

see ya later

[10:05:26]

juski:

the magic box that turns mains electricity into low voltage DC

[10:05:53]

juski:

try a full-size ATX PSU if you have one spare. some mini-atx PSUs are puny

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juski:

if that fixes the problem maybe you can find a more suitable PSU to fit your box

[10:06:34]

ice2:

i cant use a full-size one – it would blow up my mini-board!

[10:06:44]

juski:

no it won;t

[10:06:45]

ice2:

your right though

[10:06:52]

juski:

the board only takes as much juice as it wants

[10:06:54]

ice2:

it wont?

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juski:

if you put a 2000W PSU on the board it will still only consume what it needs

[10:07:10]

ice2:

220V

[10:07:10]

ice2:

?

[10:07:20]

ice2:

no i wont try that ;-)

[10:07:37]

ice2:

W is not V!! it all about the ampere

[10:07:57]

juski:

if the board is designed to take a PSU with a regular ATX connector, I'd try a regular PC power supply

[10:08:18]

ice2:

it not, it just can take 12V max

[10:08:36]

juski:

what kind of motherboard is it? make & model ?

[10:08:50]

ice2:

but i reboot now anyway and try to disconnect all power consuming devices like DVD,LAMPS, etc

[10:08:53]

ice2:

cya

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juski:

ah so the mini atx board you have is designed to take just one 12V input

[10:09:08]

juski:

very unusual!

[10:09:14]

ice2:

VIA EPIA 1000MHz mini tx

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juski:

those have a regular ATX PSU connector you dummy

[10:09:32]

juski:

I know because I have one

[10:09:32]

ice2:

all onboard – no fans – a living room device

[10:09:42]

ice2:

and?

[10:09:48]

ice2:

?

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juski:

you can use a normal ATX PSU with them

[10:09:58]

ice2:

all right then shame on me and thx

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juski:

ok so a full sized PSU will be too big for the box you have, but it will prove one thing at least!

[10:10:34]

ice2:

yepp

[10:10:38]

juski:

are you using a fanless PSU thing ? a DC-DC converter?

[10:10:51]

ice2:

YES

[10:10:52]

ice2:

#

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juski:

aha

[10:11:16]

juski:

well, carry on as you suggested – try removing parts that consume power til it works ok :)

[10:11:45]

juski:

maybe you should think about getting an 80W DC-DC converter or more. those sat cards can be thirsty ;)

[10:11:46]

ice2:

;-)

[10:13:28]

juski:

I've thought about going down that way myself – my silverstone case wastes a lot of power – very inefficient

[10:14:01]

ice2:

yeah.. it was a lot of work

[10:14:10]

juski:

it has a 180W PSU when the mainboard only pulls around 25W peak

[10:14:23]

juski:

it has no HDD & only a slimline DVDROM

[10:14:46]

juski:

those DC-DC boards are not cheap though :-\

[10:15:04]

ice2:

well, we have 2 HDD and a DVD with a few of lamps

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juski:

lamps, not LEDs?

[10:16:54]

ice2:

ive installed blue glowing lamps

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ice2:

;)

[10:17:09]

juski:

ah LEDs

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juski:

they don't take much power

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ice2:

yeah.. it works with them before.. only dvd was added since it dont works

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juski:

if it won't work when the DVD drive is at idle, it'll def. give you problems if you try to burn a disc!

[10:20:23]

ice2:

think so

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juski:

this new weather plugin is pissed

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juski:

ah it might help if I take my own weather-ui.xml away

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justdave:

hmm, is there a way to tell xorg to ignore a border area around the edge of the screen?

[11:58:52]

justdave:

there's no size adjustment on my display, and the edges of the display area are off the edges of the screen

[11:59:21]

juski:

so?

[11:59:22]

hensema:

you could adust the timings (modelines)

[11:59:30]

juski:

just compensate the mythtv gui accordingly

[11:59:37]

juski:

even HDTVs overscan

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justdave:

doesn't bother so much for myth because TV usually does that anyway. :) Just makes it hard to use the panel menus and so forth when you exit out of myth :)

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justdave:

it's an HDTV it's hooked up to, via HDMI

[12:02:05]

justdave:

not really a big deal, not outside of myth all that often, was just curious :)

[12:03:42]

juski:

it's probably possible to tweak a modeline to make the desktop touch the edges of your display exactly, but then that might give you issues with borders on TV content

[12:04:31]

justdave:

I need to upgrade my system. I'm apparently a contributing factor to the zap2it problems because I'm running an old version of Ubuntu that uses a cron job for mythfilldatabase instead of letting myth do it internally

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justdave:

which probably means upgrading every mythfrontend in my house (only two others) because I think there was a protocol change between what I'm running and the current version

[12:06:42]

justdave:

the other two frontends are both OS X, I remember having to hunt down an old version to get one that matched the back end...

[12:06:49]

juski:

just wipe out the cron job :)

[12:07:06]

juski:

0.21 might be out sometime this year anyway ;)

[12:08:15]

justdave:

I was just using hardware I happened to have available to hack up a front end for the upstairs TV... was a no-longer-used Powerbook G4 with an S-Video output on it

[12:08:34]

justdave:

Tried running it with both Linux and OS X, and found a huge tradeoff on features...

[12:08:50]

justdave:

if I ran it under Linux, the remote control works, but it can't drive the S-Video output (so I can't hook it to the TV)

[12:09:04]

justdave:

if I run it under OS X, it runs the video, but the remote control doesn't work

[12:09:45]

justdave:

the good remote actually. Can make it work with one of those little white Apple Remotes, but that's a pain in the butt because there's not enough buttons on it

[12:10:39]

justdave:

so it's in OS X and we're living with the little white remote so far.

[12:11:07]

quicksilver:

apparently those little white remotes are bluetooth remotes

[12:11:13]

quicksilver:

and any other bluetooth remote will also work

[12:11:15]

justdave:

one of these days I'll come up with a day or two to play with it and finish porting the mceusb2 driver for lirc

[12:11:21]

justdave:

no, it's IR

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quicksilver:

oh

[12:11:31]

quicksilver:

must be the newer ones that are bluetooth then

[12:11:41]

quicksilver:

intel gen machines

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justdave:

the one that came with my Mac Book Pro is IR

[12:11:49]

quicksilver:

or appleTV gen machines

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quicksilver:

oh really?

[12:11:54]

quicksilver:

hmph

[12:12:05]

quicksilver:

I was sure one of them had a bluetooth remote

[12:12:13]

quicksilver:

maybe it's only the appleTV then?

[12:12:16]

juski:

bluetooth.. pah!

[12:12:18]

justdave:

I had to disable the driver in the MBP to keep the mythtv remote from screwing with my laptop when it was in the same room :)

[12:13:20]

justdave:

I have one of those eHome IR Receivers that Microsoft sells in their MCE kits hooked up to the Powerbook G4

[12:13:30]

justdave:

and OS X knows how to use it, but only for the Apple Remote

[12:13:43]

jduggan_:

juski: were you at LRL?

[12:13:49]

jduggan_:

i didnt see the myth stand on saturday?

[12:13:53]

juski:

yeah. wish I'd never bothered

[12:14:02]

jduggan_:

howcome, what happened?

[12:14:07]

juski:

twas shite

[12:14:27]

jduggan_:

where was the myth stand?

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juski:

opposite ByteMark

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jduggan_:

on saturday?

[12:14:53]

justdave:

any mythtv stuff happening at OSCON?

[12:14:53]

juski:

on both days

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jduggan_:

oh

[12:15:04]

jduggan_:

must have overlooked it then :)

[12:15:12]

jduggan_:

i saw xbmc stand

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juski:

yeah you & several hundred other people

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jduggan_:

=o

[12:15:27]

juski:

facking XBMC – built with stolen tools

[12:15:28]

jduggan_:

was it hidden away?

[12:15:34]

juski:

far from hidden

[12:16:11]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk – photo of the stand on there

[12:16:26]

juski:

were next to CentOS

[12:17:28]

juski:

won't be going back to LRL. too little gain for the project

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juski:

sorry for not fawning over the large gents' nob jokes & admiring their religious following

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juski:

we're not on any of the photos in anybody's flickr stream – it really is like we weren't there

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will_:

Can anyone point me at a *small* command-line app to demux TS's (all I want to do is extract the audio from a DVB-T "radio" station).

[12:22:26]

will_:

Hello Juski, BTW – Hope your hangover has gone by now! :)

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juski:

will_: I made a user job script to do that very thing

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will_:

:)

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juski:

it's in /contrib

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will_:

Juski – I've got a couple of pics of your booth (assuming you're talking about LRL) but they weren't very flattering – so I didnt upload them! :)

[12:23:24]

will_:

juski, Thanks!

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juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . dioexport.pl

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juski:

they weren't veyr flatterring of whom? ;)

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juski:

I don't mind tbh – rather wipe the weekend from memory tbh

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will_:

All of you! Eyes closed, gurning, etc etc

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juski:

lol

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k-man_:

hello

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will_:

When I got back my mrs asked if I'd go again next year – I replied "I'd rather stick my head in a pig" :)

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juski:

take it on sunday? I was gone all day

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k-man_:

sometimes I find mythtv says it has recorded a show, but the show is a 0 size file

[12:25:38]

k-man_:

and I can't find any useful error message in the logs

[12:25:42]

k-man_:

anyone else had this problem?

[12:25:48]

will_:

Saturday I was v. tired from going to bed at 2 and getting up at 6 with a monster hangover, Sunday I was just bored! ;)

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juski:

will_: I dunno many people who can say much of any positivity about the weekend

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will_:

k-man_, DVB?

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k-man_:

will_, yeah

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juski:

still not got over from coming back from lunch on saturday & seeing that guy in a thong :-O

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will_:

juski, Yeah – from the blogs I've read it's about 50/50

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zntneo:

Hello, I am having a problem with my listings. They do not match the actual channels that i have. such as discovery channel is E!. How can i fix this?

[12:27:23]

will_:

k-man_, The usual cause of that is a bad signal. Myth thinks it's recording and locks, but no usuable data is received

[12:27:39]

k-man_:

will_, oh.. really?

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k-man_:

will_, so it could just have been poor reception?

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juski:

k-man_: yes, really

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will_:

k-man_, ya rly. Well – that's what I have in my expierince

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juski:

or if you use pay TV & have a CAM/viewing card, maybe the CAM crashed

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k-man_:

actually, i got this error message..... Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211

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will_:

need tea & ciggies and better do some work. Thanks Juski for the script. Catch you later

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k-man_:

no, free to air DVB-T

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subx:

im installing a new box for mythtv and its asking me for a username for a account on the box. would it be ok to call it 'mythtv' or will that mess with the mythtv installation when it trys to create a mythtv user

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zntneo:

no one?

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Cry_wolf2:

zntneo: Mythtv-setup -> Channel editor ?

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zntneo:

well the weird thing is that like 2 days ago it fixed it's self

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zntneo:

and now it's messed up again

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zntneo:

so if i use the channel editor will it stay or will it mess up again?

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k-man_:

i get a problem where mythbackend seems to crash once in a while

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k-man_:

anyone else had that problem?

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k-man_:

or more specificaly, it doesn't crash, it just hangss

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egsavage:

i'm running an old version – .18 and I have never hand mythbackend crash

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k-man_:

so my process monitor program doesn't notice it not working and does not restart it

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k-man_:

is there some way I can test of the mythbacked process is running correctly other than 'ps uax | grep backend'?

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egsavage:

hmm, no hangs on mine – maybe there is an issue in the latest code?

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k-man_:

egsavage, i'm running the marillat .debs

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egsavage:

maybe one of the developers that might be on this channel can answer your question better

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k-man_:

maybe

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egsavage:

is your tuner card working?

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egsavage:

can you watch live tv with another app?

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egsavage:

just wondering if the backend is blocking on a bad tuner device

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k-man_:

egsavage, its like the back end hangs, but the process is still there

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k-man_:

so the front end can't talk to the back end

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egsavage:

you might want to check back in a couple of hours when more people get online here

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k-man_:

ok

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k-man_:

i will

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k-man_:

thanks

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k-man_:

can one talk to the backend like this? echo MYTH_PROTO_VERSION | netcat localhost 6543

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Flexy:

no answer, process does not finish

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armbar:

hi

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will_:

Juski, is the audio from a TS MP2 or MP3?

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will_:

Hmmm, Juski gone. Anyone> Is the audio transmitted by BBC Radio1 on Freeview MP2 or MP3?

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will_:

I /thought/ it was mp3, but now I think I'm wrong.

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juski:

tis mp2, will

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juski:

mpeg1 layer2

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juski:

AC3 in other places, but not in the UK

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juski:

you still need ffmpeg to be compatible with it. whatever they ship with ubunut isn't usually

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Cry_wolf2:

juski: You who have built osd´s... The Signal % thing, were does it get the value ? Because my is at 0% always

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juski:

I don't get it from anywhere. the UI code puts it there

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juski:

only used for DVB/HDTV tuners anyway, not for analogue

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juski:

and don't forget some tuner drivers report the numbers upside down, so 0% is really 100% in some cases

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Cry_wolf2:

aha, that might be the case then :=)

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Cry_wolf2:

when i do channel search i get values around 98%

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juski:

if it works ok why the f. worry?

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juski:

I always think about patching the code not to show that cack anyway

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Cry_wolf2:

That would be ok as well

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Cry_wolf2:

:=)

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juski:

wouldn't be accepted though – some people actually *want* that schidt

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will_:

;wakes uo

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** will_ wakes up **

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will_:

juski, thanks

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** will_ took delivery of an HP tc3100 server yesterday with a HUGE 100GB of hardware RAID5 goodness. **

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will_:

waste of time. :(

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will_:

100GB is good for my mp3's and that's about it.

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juski:

first thing I always do on ubuntu is rebuild ffmpeg properly & uncrippled

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will_:

:)

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will_:

I do the same with mplayer!

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juski:

laughed when I read about the Quality chin on the forums btw

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juski:

stayed there last year & that was enough to make me change :)

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zntneo:

sigh my tv listings are still messed up

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zntneo:

channels aren't mapped correctly

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** will_ goes to the LRL fourms to read... **

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juski:

2.5% payrise this year but at least I get a free 256MB USB stick :-\

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will_:

:(

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will_:

0% pay rise this year – the joys of the public sector!

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will_:

ooo. lame-mt

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immolo:

I'm trying to run a vga to composite adapter but just get a sort of out sync display on my tv anyone know the right settings for an xconfig?

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juski:

immolo: give the adapter a mode it can work with – prolly start at 640x480 & work up

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will_:

vga to composite or vga to rgb (eg scart)?

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Ryushin:

Can I assume the local broadcast data from zap2it is gone? It won't let me add a broadcast lineup anymore and a week ago is said that the broadcast lineup was invalid and needed to be deleted.

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immolo:

well the little yellow port

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immolo:

I'll give it a go juski

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juski:

Ryushin: it's all go til sept. 1st

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Ryushin:

Yea, I know that. But we still have 45 days until d-day.

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juski:

I mean there should be no change til sept. 1st

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juski:

business as usual

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immolo:

juski- 640x480 is better but still no visable image

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Ryushin:

Oh, well, that doesn't seem to be the case. I've read that other people on the zap2it forums are seeing that broadcast data is no longer available and that zap2it really isn't responding to requests for problems anymore. Cable data is good though once they got their database fixed.

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Ryushin:

Does anyone know if most local broadcast stations put their listings into a EIT stream?

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cyrexion:

Ryushin: most do.

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xris:

Ryushin: HD ones should

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cyrexion:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/EIT

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Ryushin:

And it's the HD ones I'm concerned about. So hopefully they should populate on their own. I only showing 10 days worth of listings for those right now through. I don't know if they do more than that, or it's not pulling the data right now. I guess I'll know more in a couple of days.

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Ryushin:

Will EIT data updates show up in the log?

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xris:

Ryushin: usually EIT is only a few days

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Ryushin:

Yea, it does show up in the log. That's cool.

[14:45:07]

Ryushin:

I wonder if cable channels ever broadcast eit information.

[14:45:49]

Ryushin:

Listings show up in my samsung DLP tv that cables plug into it.

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juski:

that'd be a big 10–4 good buddy

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Ryushin:

If I can get the guide data from EIT, then that solves the zap2it problems.

[14:46:40]

juski:

it may be solved anyway

[14:47:33]

Ryushin:

Yea, I saw something on the list about that.

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Ryushin:

So my box has been randomly crashing every few days to a week or so. This all occurred after adding a two port sata card and two more hard drives bringing the master backend/frontend up to 6 drives, 2 HD tuners, PVR-150, PVR-350. I have a good quality 420 watt power supply in there. Is it possible that I'm stressing out the power?

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anykey_:

Ryushin: you could also run out of pci bus bandwidth

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anykey_:

Ryushin: does it shutdown or just lockup?

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Ryushin:

It doesn't seem to be crashing when it's under any particular load.

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Ryushin:

Locks up.

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Ryushin:

That's why I'm thinking it's hardware.

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anykey_:

Ryushin: what chipset does your motherboard have?

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cyrexion:

When I use mythtv to record a show, at the top it says "recording 'Unknown' " — how can I rename this to something meaningful?

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Ryushin:

I read that spinning down desktop hard drives really shortens the life on them. They are not designed to be shutdown like laptop drives are.

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Ryushin:

It's a nforce4 chipset.

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anykey_:

hum ok

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Ryushin:

It should be okay. It's been rocksolid before the last two hard drives and the sil sata card.

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anykey_:

well, I'm running 9 Harddrives and 1 dual tuner card in my backend using a 450 watt ps.. no problems here

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Ryushin:

Hmmm.... Maybe I should upgrade to 2.6.22 and see if that fixes it.

[14:55:03]

Ryushin:

I've just been waiting for the bootsplash patch to be updated first.

[14:55:54]

Ryushin:

anykey_: Yea, I didn't think the hard drives really draw that much power. But I could be wrong.

[14:56:53]

anykey_:

Ryushin: Though if the power supply is overloaded it should shutdown, not lockup, I think

[14:57:08]

anykey_:

Ryushin: I'd guess it's pci bandwidth somewhere *or* a crap sata card..

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Isbeorn:

Ryushin: do you have a spare power supply lying around?

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Ryushin:

It's possible it could be a crap card. I was doing a lot of research and that was why I choose the SiL chipset.

[14:58:03]

Ryushin:

Not really anymore.

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Isbeorn:

Ryushin: There's a fun trick I used to do, use a paper clip to jump start a spare power supply and power those 2 new drives from it

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Ryushin:

I put it in my wifes PC to quiet hers down.

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Ryushin:

Yea, I guess I could do that. Maybe I'll just order a 500 watt PS next month. Power supplies are smart aren't they? They can handle the higher wattage, but do they draw that 500 watts all the time?

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Isbeorn:

Ryushin: basically you are using 2 power supplies in one computer, the only trick is you have to turn on the one not connected to the motherboard first

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Isbeorn:

if you still got the lock-ups after that, i'd say its the pci card

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Isbeorn:

Power supplies should not draw their max wattage all the time.

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Ryushin:

Yea, thats what I figured. So, what power supplies does everyone like? I'm thinking of going with a sparkle this time around, I've read good things about those.

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quicksilver:

I bought a quiet one from 'QuietPC' I'm happy with

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jk1joel:

So last night I was asking about MythDVD, but nobody was around that uses it.

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jk1joel:

I'm trying to rip some of my movies, and for most of them, it works fine, but for some it only shows "ISO Image" and "Perfect" quality options, no "Excellent" or "Good", etc. So I can't encode them with DivX/Xvid.

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jk1joel:

any ideas why some movies would let me rip to DivX and some wouldn't?

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jk1joel:

The only idea I had was that perhaps some combinations of framerates and interlaced/non-interlaced aren't supported by the DivX encoder

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nnnnnnnn:

what is MacProgGuide? I saw mention of it on the list, but can't find a site.

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my2keh:

yo yo yo

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xris:

nnnnnnnn: coolmacsoftware.com (or .org, I forget)

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nnnnnnnn:

aha — thx xris

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xris:

would have been nice to have gb-pvr on the board, but its author lives in new zealand and thought it wouldn't work so well.

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my2keh:

ohhh ur Chris

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my2keh:

heh

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my2keh:

just put 2 and 2 together

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xris:

heh

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xris:

and now it's time for me to leave...

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my2keh:

buh bye lah

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my2keh:

good post on the datadirect stuff

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jhatch:

does anyone here actually use PIP?

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mkrufky:

jhatch: it works for me, but choppy due to deinterlacing... (you and i have a similar setup, iirc) i do not use it regularly

[16:19:10]

mkrufky:

question to the room: i know that hybrid cards are to be set up by 1st) create the dvb card entry, 2) active the analog part in the dvb card's setup

[16:19:26]

mkrufky:

^^... will this work for a hybrid dvb / mpeg encoder card, such as the hvr1300 ?

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mkrufky:

using the v4l2 mpeg encoder api instead of raw framegrabber mode?

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mkrufky:

(the hvr1300 has 3 modes of operation — dvb, analog mpeg encoder, and raw analog framegrabber)

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mkrufky:

i do not have such a card..... i only ask because it is a case i havent yet thought of, and i wonder if mythtv is prepared for it

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Dagmar:

Only a fool would willingly use raw framegrabbing

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jhatch:

mkrufky, I just got my HDHR setup and wanted to see it in action. i'm sure mine will be just as choppy.. :) Do you need to set up a keybinding?

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mkrufky:

yes, Dagmar .... the question is: current "hybrid" mode in mythtv is dvb + raw framegrabber ...... will it also work as dvb + mpeg encoder ?

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mkrufky:

...i am talking about a single device

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mkrufky:

jhatch: just dont use PIP ... unless you have a faster processor and / or graphics card

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jhatch:

fair enough.

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janneg:

mkrufky: I think only dvb + framegrabber hybrid cards are supported

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mkrufky:

i, instead, use the PIP feature of my television, to switch between my cablebox and my bythfrontend

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mkrufky:

janneg: thats what i thought...... we should see what can be done for dvb + encoder cards..... hvr1300 is the first of its kind, but we are bound to see more

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janneg:

mkrufky: is there now a stable way to detect hybrid cards

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mkrufky:

(i already know of more)

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mkrufky:

janneg: sysfs

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mkrufky:

?

[16:25:42]

JayRoe_:

can someone help me with a hvr-1300? Without v4l-dvb it works in mythtv but I can't get the remote working. If I install v4l-dvb the remote works, but myth fails to open the card in the channel scanner.

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janneg:

mkrufky: we spoke a couple of months ago about hybrid detection and there was no stable way to detect hybrid cards through sysfs

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mkrufky:

janneg: ah, ok i remember

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janneg:

i.e. different bridge chips/drivers had different sysfs entries

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mkrufky:

JayRoe_: i'll finish helping you in #linuxtv ... i just wanted you to see this conversation

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mkrufky:

janneg: yeah ... you're right

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JayRoe_:

I think I missed the conversation :-s

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jhatch:

mkrufky, so yeah, pip is worthless.. :)

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mkrufky:

JayRoe_: dont worry about it, then ... i told you what you need to do.

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mkrufky:

JayRoe_: after you install v4l/dvb, you need to remove the card from mythtv-setup, and then re-add it

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mkrufky:

jhatch: IMO, yes

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mkrufky:

jhatch: but dont blame the software

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mkrufky:

jhatch: its because your hardware sucks

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mkrufky:

^^ and mine sucks too

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mkrufky:

but it's good enough for 1080i / 720p single screen, so im happy

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jhatch:

Well, that and it looks like half the pip is off my screen. :)

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jhatch:

choppiness wasn't actually *too* bad...

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mkrufky:

jhatch: i dunno... maybe something else then... i dont have that problem

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jhatch:

though it was present.

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mkrufky:

janneg: is THAT the reason why not to move forward on dvb + mpeg encoder support?

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jhatch:

I'm just not going to use it. It was just something I couldn't do before...

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janneg:

mkrufky: I have unfortunately only a hybrid stick from "He Who Must Not Be Named."

[16:30:08]

** mkrufky almost said his name **

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janneg:

mkrufky: no of course not, I need at least a tester

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mkrufky:

janneg: ok, well.... any hvr1300 user can test this .... also, the hvr1800 drivers will be officially released in a month or two

[16:31:02]

mkrufky:

(another hybrid atsc + mpeg encoder + raw frame)

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mkrufky:

...and then hvr1600 will follow probably a few months later

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jk1joel:

for the logs... the answer to my MythDVD issue of only showing Perfect or ISO Image quality for some discs: http://readlist.com/lists/mythtv.org/mythtv-users/0/2708.html

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janneg:

on the other hand the hvr 1300 is not that expensive, only 60 Euros

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janneg:

I wonder how much the pvr150 is now

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mkrufky:

i dunno.... i think pvr150 will eventually phase out

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mkrufky:

but im only guessing

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janneg:

the regular version is also 60 Euro, but there are white box versions for 45

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mkrufky:

i wish i could play with dvb-t here.... i'd love to work on the hvr1300 stuff

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juski:

sounds about right. I bought my card only white box version for Â£37

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janneg:

nah, white box is also 60 Euro. the one for 45 is not available

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janneg:

so it's stupid to buy a pvr150 now

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mkrufky:

yeah

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mkrufky:

they wont be available in the states for much longer

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mkrufky:

new FCC regulations state that any device capable of picking up television must also be able to pick up digital television

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mkrufky:

so, you may see hybrid devices for sale in america, but no more analog-only devices

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sphery:

juski: I'm thinking you forgot to knock on wood...

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sphery:

20070711 10:05:57< juski> and I only theme plugins I use – not had any complaints about not having themed a plugin yet

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mkrufky:

i think this means that all vendors will have to re-spin their analog-only products to include digital support

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sphery:

Then today on -dev list: Possible Blootube theme bugs

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juski:

sphery: yeah just posted about that

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sphery:

Just thought the timing was classic. 2 days after your comment. :)

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juski:

1. he didn't do his research and 2. I specifically state to email me directly about problems, not plaster them all over the lists

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juski:

anyway he's not gonna be in any doubt that I'm in no rush to fix it

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sphery:

Right. That's good. Then he (or someone else can do it).

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sphery:

And, it's not like he has to learn to code to fix it up.

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juski:

he WILL whine though

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juski:

the mythvideo problem – that's not real either. can't reproduce it here

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sphery:

True. Too bad learning to whine doesn't require the same effort as learning to code...

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sphery:

I haven't been into that view in MythVideo (is it list or browser view)?

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sphery:

May have something to do with symlinks (don't know if he's using a version that you have fixed, yet).

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juski:

sphery: file type setup

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sphery:

Since the install script in themes doesn't install the symlinks.

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juski:

not a symlink issue AFAIK

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sphery:

Oh, yeah. I was remembering the mythgame screenshot. I thought there was a similar one in his mythvideo shots, but was remembering the bad link he gave in the first.

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sphery:

So, yeah, it's just the associations.

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juski:

if he'd bothered to look, there's no game-ui.xml file in my theme root

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sphery:

Yeah.

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sphery:

But that would also require his learning how default works, which takes more effort than just posting to the list.

[16:45:20]

sphery:

Anyway, just had to say you tempted fate with your comment.

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juski:

I'll likely fix it at some convenient time

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sphery:

Yeah. You tend to fix things--even if others should be able to. I guess having pride in your creations may have its downside, too. :)

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juski:

I reckon the problem with the graphics in the video file associations thing is a bug in svn

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juski:

it won't appear with some other themes because I think they include them

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juski:

mine rely on the default images being in $whatever/default

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sphery:

Cool. Anyway, still loving your themes.

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sphery:

My parents (visiting from up North) saw my Myth box for the first time since I switched. They loved the new look.

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juski:

I ran into the same bug myself. the paths in my video-ui.xml should make mythfrontend look in /default

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juski:

be easier just to make new ones. never really liked the defaults much tbh

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juski:

fixed up blootube-wide already

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juski:

no new images yet. maybe all my themes are broken in svn now images have been moved

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juski:

blootubelite-wide fixed now too

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juski:

aand blootube is also fixed

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juski:

time to commit, export & upload

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cyrexion:

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juski:

all themes fixed. you can't accuse me of being a lazy sod :-P

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juski:

hey that's not bad – about an hour to fix all that :)

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Mr_Grieves_:

I'm having some annoyances with text. If I leave the font sizes at the default size, it is nearly impossible to read them, but it I bump them up, the letters run into each other, creating equally difficult to read text. The screen is a 32" CRT running 1024x768.

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juski:

1. check X is running at 100DPI

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juski:

2, check you actually have the fonts the theme requires

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juski:

3. dig into the theme & change the text size yourself because other than select 'default', 'big' or 'small' you can't change the actual font sizes from the UI

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Mr_Grieves_:

In my xorg.conf I set the DisplaySize option to 650 490 (the size in mm of my screen). From what I understand that should fix the dpi issue (correct me if I'm wrong).

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juski:

you may be wrong

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AndyCap:

are there any docs for mythnotify protocol somewhere?

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juski:

AndyCap: use the source!

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juski:

or use ethereal :-P

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AndyCap:

the source it is then I guess. :)

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juski:

out of curiosity, wotcha up to?

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AndyCap:

dunno just yet.. for now I just want to pop up some text on the frontend. IRC, mail, and possibly isdn, but the last I guess the caller-id broadcast thing could do

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juski:

IRC? hahah God please no!

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juski:

apparently we might be gonna get the OSD stuff all over menus too, which'll be quite nifty

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juski:

I'd never played with mythtvosd til the other week – it's ace!

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AndyCap:

juski: hehe, already use libnotify for irc..

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juski:

though I said mythtvosd is ace, it's not something I could see myself ever using. Don't like to be interrupted

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juski:

there's enough onscreen junk without any more being generated ;)

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juski:

'coming up next...'.. argghhh!

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juski:

we users of digital TV can press one button to see what's next damnit

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AndyCap:

juski: but you don't always press it because you were planning to watch something else next.

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AndyCap:

so lets bug you some more

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juski:

it's immaterial anyway since the 'next' show isn't next at all :D

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AndyCap:

Hehe.

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juski:

not when I watch a recording, which pretty much makes up 99% of my tv viewing

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tonyb2007:

What USB2.0 card would you recommend with an MPEG2 encoder, and an IR remote – and preferably an IR blaster built in.

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kormoc:

tonyb2007, I highly recommend the microsoft MCE usb remote/blaster setup

[17:56:47]

juski:

and the pvrusb2

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juski:

from Hauppauge (of course)

[17:57:11]

AndyCap:

btw.. anyone seen something like this http://ignasiak.googlepages.com/mythremote for linux? remote control app.

[17:57:11]

fryfrog:

you mean an mpeg2 tv tuner that is USB?

[17:57:18]

mkrufky:

new version of pvrusb2 comes w/ a blaster

[17:57:27]

juski:

but if you're in the UK, analogue TV is a dying beastie, so I'd only consider dvb-t or dvb-s

[17:57:37]

tonyb2007:

I'm in the US though

[17:57:44]

juski:

fir 'nuff :)

[17:57:50]

tonyb2007:

Does this look right, http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytsq6w

[17:58:11]

juski:

yeah – should be ok in linux too

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juski:

OW! HOW much?! sheesh

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mkrufky:

get it, tonyb2007 == thats a good deal

[17:59:38]

Henkie-:

is there an easy way to fix/alter the tv-guide?

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tonyb2007:

You sure it has an IR blaster?

[17:59:48]

mkrufky:

no

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tonyb2007:

:|

[17:59:58]

Henkie-:

many series, arent split into title and subtitle

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Tanthrix:

juski: That thing from last night, with dvi input – that's really not so special. There already exists a card that takes hdmi/dvi input and caputures HD video. The problem is that they're both useless until hardware based realtime mpeg2/x264 HD encoder chips exist

[18:01:44]

mkrufky:

Tanthrix: do you have a link? can i see?

[18:02:02]

Tanthrix:

One sec

[18:02:23]

Tanthrix:

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/

[18:02:29]

mkrufky:

also, you say there's a card that captured HD video from hdmi / dvi? also interested in that

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Tanthrix:

That's it, right there.

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mkrufky:

awesome

[18:03:40]

mkrufky:

i doubt we'll see an oss driver for that anytime soon

[18:03:41]

Tanthrix:

But there's no hardware encoder, so it's useless for most purposes. (I'm sure HD uncompressed video is absolutely freaking huge)

[18:03:54]

Tanthrix:

It's basically a frame grabber

[18:03:58]

mkrufky:

oof... it sure is

[18:03:58]

Tanthrix:

But HD

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mkrufky:

i doubt any affordable machine today can transcode raw HD frames like that to mpeg on-the-fly

[18:07:32]

mkrufky:

that thing could sure use a hardware encoder

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janneg:

mpeg2 HD might be doable on a Core 2 Quad with ffmpeg

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mkrufky:

heh... with absolutely no other processes running? ;-)

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mkrufky:

...or in RT priority

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fryfrog:

Is there something in svn -fixes branch that would not let 2 commflag processes run even if the jobque is allowed 2?

[18:15:47]

fryfrog:

oh, krikey

[18:15:50]

fryfrog:

its set to 1 :p

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jams:

heh

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** tonyb2007 just sold his wintv usb2 (with no mpeg2 encoder) :D **

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fryfrog:

i can't believe that was the problem :p

[18:19:38]

fryfrog:

i swear i set it to 2 like 6 months ago :p

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Henkie-:

if i changes entries in the database, when will mythtv pick those up?

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fryfrog:

Henkie-: I *think* you usually have to restart, but it'll depend on what entry in the db you are changing

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fryfrog:

for instance, if you delete things from jobque or alter the commflagged table in recroded table, it is instant

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Henkie-:

fryfrog, well, i want to fix the tv guide

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Henkie-:

so i will be adjusting the program names, and subtitles (everything after the ":" will be a subtitle)

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fryfrog:

ah :/

[18:22:22]

fryfrog:

well, try one and see? :)

[18:22:27]

Henkie-:

instead of relying on the online guide

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Henkie-:

so true :)

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jams:

should be instant

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jams:

that information is not cached by anything cept by mysql

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Henkie-:

and when will mytht schedule the recordings?

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Henkie-:

v

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jams:

Henkie-- to force a reschedule restart mythbackend

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fryfrog:

or just wait like 10min

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jams:

or just wait, eventually it will do it

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fryfrog:

i think it does a schedule check every so often

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jams:

it does

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jams:

fryfrog- do you use svn ?

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fryfrog:

i use svn -fixes branch

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jams:

not -fixes but svn head

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jams:

ok

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fryfrog:

i *used* to use head, but got tired of the breakage i saw

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jams:

hehe

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siXy:

is there a ncurses version of mythtv-setup?

[18:25:34]

fryfrog:

anything super spiffy in head?

[18:25:38]

jams:

siXy- nope

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fryfrog:

siXy: no, you'll have to use X or export it over ssh :(

[18:25:44]

siXy:

meh

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jams:

fryfrog- couldn't tell you what differenct between -fixes and head

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** siXy considres ways to get around having X on his backend **

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siXy:

(it died the other week and im rebuilding it slimmer – or so i thought)

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immolo:

siXy- ssh -X

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immolo:

thats how I do it

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fryfrog:

siXy: when you get down to it, having the X libs (but not running X) isn't going to make a shit hill of beans difference

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siXy:

thought you needed X installed on server to use X forwarding

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fryfrog:

its not like you are installing your backend on a box with 100mb hd

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fryfrog:

siXy: you probably need the *libs*

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fryfrog:

which usually means you need X

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immolo:

fryfrog- yeah you do

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fryfrog:

(but not configured and running, etc)

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siXy:

fryfrog: actually i was thinking of installing the actual OS and programs on a flashcard

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fryfrog:

siXy: zounds, on a *backend*? :/

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siXy:

yep. thinking then a mini SAN for storage

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jams:

mini SAN?

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siXy:

but i guess i can install on a normal hdd the copy the db

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siXy:

jams: yes

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siXy:

could use NAS i guess, but i would rather have a gigabit SAN for this

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fryfrog:

why?

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fryfrog:

I mean, I can see why you'd use flash/diskless on an FE

[18:30:32]

fryfrog:

but the BE doesn't need any of that jazz

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fryfrog:

Just get a (cheap) system and throw as many hard drives at it as you can afford :)

[18:31:03]

fryfrog:

my BE runs on a pair of 2.4ghz xeon discards and its nice

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fryfrog:

3200+ amd64 is real cheap now, that worked fine as a BE too

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jams:

siXy- got a link I didnt' know they made SANs that were affordable to home users

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siXy:

fryfrog: thats what i had before but i feel the urge to be more adventurous

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siXy:

jams: finding it now

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siXy:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/11/fujitsu_siemens_uk_smbs/

[18:33:04]

siXy:

saw that this morning and ive been trying to think of a use for it all day :)

[18:34:26]

tonyb2007:

mkrufky: Thanks for the advice, I bought that card.

[18:34:32]

juski:

storage groups in svn are spiffy

[18:34:42]

juski:

flash streaming in mythweb is spiffy

[18:34:47]

juski:

bugfixes are spiffy

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mkrufky:

tonyb2007: pvrusb2?

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tonyb2007:

Yes

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** siXy makes a mental not not to do yum search X again **

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mkrufky:

^^ it's an external device, not a card

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tonyb2007:

Yeah I know, I just say card

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mkrufky:

ok, the support for that thing is very good

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tonyb2007:

I heard

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mkrufky:

mike isely is the maintainer of that driver, and he stays VERY on top of things

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jams:

juski- yep storage groups are. The only problem i noticed is that multiple storage groups introduces a small delay when switching recordings

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juski:

jams: rly? ouchy

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mkrufky:

also, he wrote a beautiful sysfs interface for it.... hopefully the entire v4l subsystem will eventually adopt that interface

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juski:

jams: but small price to pay for avoiding the need for LVM :D

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janneg:

mkrufky: I can transcode 1080p h264 to mpeg2 1080p on my athlon64 2.5ghz dual core with more than 20 fps

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jams:

yeah it's less then a second but still noticable

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jams:

and its FAR BETTER then using lvm

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janneg:

it should be capable of encoding mpeg2 hd from raw frames

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mkrufky:

janneg: awesome... i was just joking around, earlier.... but thats very good to know

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mkrufky:

so it should handle on-the-fly from raw just fine

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siXy:

hmm storage groups?

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janneg:

mkrufky: yes, mpeg2 to mpeg2 runs with 35–40 fps

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siXy:

maybe i misunderstand (reading through commits atm) but i dont see the point of them...

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juski:

siXy: yeah separate storage dirs for recording groups, and it's clever enough to work out where it needs to record – so if one dir is low on space, it'll put it in another dir with more free space

[18:40:07]

jams:

hmm nothing on that page shows how much it's supposed to cost. I doubt it's afforable to most home users

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juski:

siXy: so you can group a bunch o disks without ever needing the mess that is LVM

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siXy:

ah yeah i see that :D

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mkrufky:

janneg: very cool.... i had no idea :-)

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jams:

there we go suggested list price $8000EUR well outside my price range

[18:45:52]

siXy:

jams: really? meh :(

[18:46:06]

siXy:

guess thats that idea down the drain. thought it was a lot less than that

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jams:

from fujistu's website list price starting at 8000 EUR

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juski:

jus' use storage groups instead :-P

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siXy:

pity really – been enjoying playing with the new FC SAN at work and was quite sold on the idea of a little one for home useage

[18:47:14]

juski:

fibre channel for home. rofl

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siXy:

well ofc its not FC SAN :P

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siXy:

just gigabit ethernet + sata HDDs

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siXy:

8000 eur is taking the pi$$ a little tho

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juski:

wow. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/279134

[18:55:16]

juski:

very interesting and apparently 100% legal

[18:56:19]

jams:

juski- is that the thread about digibox decoder card

[18:56:56]

juski:

yeah

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siXy:

woooooww now i can see a possible sky subscription on the horizon ;)

[18:57:41]

juski:

they sell a receiver with such a card ready fitted for about Â£150

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juski:

and it'll do HD apparently

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siXy:

not sure if USB2 can cope with the HD channels tho...

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siXy:

oh really? wow

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juski:

it will

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juski:

it's only 10GB/hour

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siXy:

oh fair enough. thats not too bad

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Henkie-:

what is a simple language to communicate with mysql?

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siXy:

tho i can see more HDs are gonna be needed atm

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juski:

so they're offerring free hardware to developers.. who'd turn em down?

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Henkie-:

programming language i mean

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siXy:

Henkie-: SQL

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juski:

Henkie-: er.. mysql !

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juski:

select name from people where title="mr";

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juski:

pretty simple $stuff

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juski:

oops...

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Dagmar:

select name from bishes where status="ho"

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juski:

SELECT name FROM people WHERE title="mr"; – don't wanna upset the purists

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siXy:

so simple in fact that sometimes hard stuff becomes really really difficult ;)

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Henkie-:

hehe, ok point taken

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Dagmar:

OMG you didn't specify a codepage!!!

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juski:

if you're talking aboutprogramming languages.. perl makes it easy, but then so does a shell ;)

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** juski commits hari-kiri **

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Dagmar:

YOu can't just go 'round assuming everything is ASCII you ethniocentrist you

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Dagmar:

heh

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siXy:

lol dagmar :)

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siXy:

Henkie-: if you are writing web apps, php is very mysql-friendly

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juski:

that 'cielplus' name rings more than one bell

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Henkie-:

no i'm writing a little standalone app

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Henkie-:

but almost done already in java

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juski:

oh flippin chuff – if the USB port has enough bandwidth that cielplus thing can stream a whole mux ffs

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juski:

oh hell AND EIT works

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juski:

sometimes you end up being glad you took a look on the users' list :)

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juski:

in the event of hell becoming buried in snow & ice, I may con$ider $ky

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: was it you I was discussing my ivtv (pvr-500) issue with?

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** Staticwave_Ace hates being terrible with names **

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mkrufky:

i remember you, Staticwave_Ace

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mkrufky:

i dont remember our conversation, though

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biohazd:

hey guys

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biohazd:

anyone help with getting lirc working

[19:54:51]

siXy:

biohazd: just ask your question

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biohazd:

:)

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biohazd:

i have lirc isnatll configured

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biohazd:

etc

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biohazd:

when runing irw it stays on screen

[19:55:18]

biohazd:

press remote = nothing happens :(

[19:55:23]

biohazd:

any ideas

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siXy:

you need a lirc.conf that matchs your remote then

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biohazd:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty <- i followed this guide

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siXy:

its located in /etc/ btw

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biohazd:

i have set the lirc.conf already

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siXy:

methinks not :)

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biohazd:

ok i will double check

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siXy:

unless your remote is broken

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biohazd:

its hauppage pvr 150

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biohazd:

its brand new :(

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siXy:

but to check, can you run mode2 and press some buttons on your remote?

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biohazd:

just run mode2 on cmd line ?

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siXy:

yep

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biohazd:

ok gimmie a sec

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biohazd:

thanks for the help

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siXy:

might need to run as root ( sudo mode2 )

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biohazd:

ok

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biohazd:

does lirc have a log anyware ?

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siXy:

not by default iirc

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biohazd:

drat

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siXy:

you can turn on logging but its rarely needed unless you are patching it or running a cvs build

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biohazd:

ok

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siXy:

if its just a remote not working problem the log wouldnt help anyway

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biohazd:

true

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biohazd:

running mode2 = error pening /dev/lirc

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biohazd:

in hardware.conf i told it to use /dev/lirc0

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biohazd:

symlink them ?

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Beirdo:

OMG, my brain hurts

[20:01:22]

siXy:

biohazd, yeah symlink em

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Beirdo:

just spent half a day chasing a stupid bug

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biohazd:

mode2 runs now

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biohazd:

pressing button – shows nothing :(

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Beirdo:

and found like 2 or 3 more in the process

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Beirdo:

heh

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biohazd:

shoudl any other remotes pressd show up ?

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siXy:

mode2 is hardcoded to use /dev/lirc (or used to be anyway – i spent some time in the sourcecode once removing that restriction but it wasnt accepted into upstream for some reason)

[20:02:10]

biohazd:

e.g. use my tv remote, will it show up

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biohazd:

lol

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siXy:

biohazd: might do – but not nesecarily

[20:02:34]

biohazd:

ok

[20:02:40]

biohazd:

hmm bum remote then ?

[20:02:56]

siXy:

if you get nothing it means that lirc is not correctly set up

[20:03:02]

biohazd:

ahh ok

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siXy:

probably a module loading issue

[20:03:18]

biohazd:

mods seem loaded

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siXy:

lsmod will tell you whats loaded

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siXy:

but ubuntu is a big PITA about loading things in a funny order

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biohazd:

lirc_pvr_150

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biohazd:

lirc_pvr_i2c

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biohazd:

lirc_dev

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biohazd:

ivtv

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biohazd:

look good ?

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siXy:

eeek its not packaged.....

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biohazd:

hey ?

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siXy:

ah well :) unload the modules, and modprobe -v lirc_i2c

[20:06:10]

biohazd:

must you only have one remote listed in lircd.conf ?

[20:06:14]

biohazd:

cool

[20:06:28]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: I was asking about http://staticwave.ca/temp/test.mpg and http://staticwave.ca/temp/test_1.mpg noting that they were misaligned, and channels 1–13 had poor reception

[20:06:38]

siXy:

nah you can have sevral as lng as you get the syntax right

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biohazd:

how does it know whcih remote to use ?

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: ah, yes .... i told you to pull out the card and confirm the tuner

[20:07:38]

mkrufky:

part number

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: which I did, and have confirmed that its the same tuner :-/

[20:07:57]

Staticwave_Ace:

well, some model number

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siXy:

biohazd: it can use them all – thats kinda the point of having more than one :)

[20:08:05]

Staticwave_Ace:

which I assume means the same tuner

[20:08:32]

biohazd:

if i get lirc.conf wrong, will mode2 run? or will it show no remote input ?

[20:08:53]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: Hauppauge model 23552, rev E692 (detected as such, and its the same on the can)

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siXy:

yeah mode2 doesnt depend on lirc.conf

[20:09:23]

siXy:

mode2 shows you raw output of the /dev/lirc0 FIFO pipe

[20:09:27]

biohazd:

hmm so wot am i missing

[20:09:37]

biohazd:

maybe i will reinstall lirc via apt-get

[20:10:26]

siXy:

biohazd: waht output did you get when you modprobes lirc_i2c?

[20:11:12]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: any other words of wisdom to poke my hardware into acting more sanely?

[20:11:33]

tantris:

Hi! I need to change the frequency of a few of my channels, but I can't figure out how to do this best?

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biohazd:

tried to remove mods – failed.. rebooted

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: no... we need the model number of the tuner itself

[20:13:55]

mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: that's the model number of the entire card!

[20:14:16]

Staticwave_Ace:

Staticwave_Ace: ohh, so I wrote down the wrong number?

[20:14:46]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: I got the numbers off the tin can(s) on the card

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Staticwave_Ace:

shoudl I be looking on the PCB instead?>

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siXy:

biohazd: ok well if you do dmesg | grep -i lirc what do you get?

[20:15:25]

kormoc:

Staticwave_Ace, mkrufky, typically to get the tuner model number, you need to open the tin enclosed section and get it off of the chip

[20:15:53]

mkrufky:

kormoc: no chip involved

[20:16:01]

mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: peel off the sticker from the tin can

[20:16:09]

mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: the model number is written underneath

[20:16:12]

Staticwave_Ace:

ooh

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Staticwave_Ace:

alright

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** Staticwave_Ace makes a note **

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mkrufky:

:-)

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biohazd:

sixXy: its on anothr pc so cant paste output

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** Staticwave_Ace feels less stupid **

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Staticwave_Ace:

you didn't mention that :)

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kormoc:

mkrufky, on my m179, it wasn't there, I had to open it up and look at the chip

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biohazd:

siXy: it loos good though. shows it loaded the hauppage pvr 150

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Staticwave_Ace:

I'm okay with disassembling something, I've got a fair amount of elec experience

[20:17:16]

Staticwave_Ace:

but I'd prefer not to :)

[20:17:41]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: I guess its probably under the sticker on both tuners?

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siXy:

biohazd: you got something like lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

[20:17:59]

biohazd:

sixy: yes :)

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: BOTH TUNERS?!?!?

[20:18:11]

mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: oh, it's a pvr500 ... oops

[20:18:13]

mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: yes

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Staticwave_Ace:

ah

[20:18:22]

Staticwave_Ace:

that was scary for a moment

[20:18:23]

Staticwave_Ace:

lol

[20:18:29]

mkrufky:

kormoc: m179 is a different beast, made by a different vendor

[20:18:48]

kormoc:

mkrufky, it's just a rebranded pvr 250, it's not all that different at all

[20:19:13]

mkrufky:

happauge made it?

[20:19:17]

siXy:

biohazd: and now if you do mode2 + press buttons on remote what do you get?

[20:19:24]

kormoc:

mkrufky, it's a happauge chip and pcb, yes

[20:19:27]

biohazd:

nothing :(

[20:19:29]

mkrufky:

does the eeprom get read by the hauppauge_eeprom() functioj ?

[20:19:46]

tantris:

anyone willing to talk me through a channel change, could also be with mythtv :-)

[20:19:54]

tantris:

sorry meant mysql

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siXy:

any errors? or just nothing?

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biohazd:

nope

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mkrufky:

i'll take that as a yes... i wasnt aware of that, kormoc

[20:20:18]

biohazd:

siXy: if i look at /dev/lirc*

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biohazd:

siXy: /dev/lirc is sym link to /dev/lirc0 (character special file)

[20:20:50]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: what length of number/info am I looking for?

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biohazd:

siXy: /dev/lircd is socket

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siXy:

biohazd: try pointing your symlink at lircd then :)

[20:21:21]

biohazd:

shoud lthe config be using /dev/lircd rather ?

[20:21:22]

mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: do, "dmesg|grep tuner"

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biohazd:

lol. ok

[20:21:34]

mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: and you're looking for something similar to that output

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biohazd:

siXy: nope doesnt like that at all – erro opening..

[20:22:44]

siXy:

any joy?

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: alright, off to home, to try this out, thanks for the further clarification

[20:22:57]

mkrufky:

no prob, Staticwave_Ace

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siXy:

biohazd: didnt think so – but its always worth a try ;)

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biohazd:

lol

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siXy:

given that the module seems to load without errors and mode2 can open fine it might be worth checking that your remote has batteries and works

[20:24:22]

biohazd:

yip, chnaged batteries :)

[20:24:27]

biohazd:

stil no good

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biohazd:

let me try point remote at my blaster on other tc, it should blink

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kormoc:

biohazd, have a digicam?

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siXy:

kormoc: ??!!

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biohazd:

sixty: no

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siXy:

this a strange interferance issue ive never heard of?

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tantris:

I know my request sounds easy but I just can't figure it out :-(

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siXy:

biohazd: might be dodgy hardware then...

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biohazd:

:(

[20:31:17]

siXy:

worth removing the version youve compiled and testing with the packaged version tho

[20:31:50]

biohazd:

might be cable bumping on case

[20:32:02]

biohazd:

took card out and cable clips in :)

[20:32:08]

biohazd:

need to trip the rubber

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armbar:

hello

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biohazd:

hmm it cliped in now, powering on

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tantris:

hmm I guess you are all pretty busy?

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siXy:

tantris: sorry, what was your problem again?

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tantris:

ohh a channel changed its frequency and now I would like to change it in mythtv, but I can'T figure it out in the mythtv-setup gui or in mysql :-(#

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biohazd:

wooohoooooooooooo it WORKS !!!! thnaks siXy

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biohazd:

bloody cable has to clip in really hard

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siXy:

biohazd: glad to hear it :)

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siXy:

its always the simple things... ;)

[20:38:18]

biohazd:

thanks for your help

[20:38:21]

biohazd:

true

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siXy:

nps

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biohazd:

now to figure out how the xml feed works... grrrr

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biohazd:

one mission after another :)

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siXy:

tantris: its in mythtv-setup – somewhere :)

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tantris:

well the somewhere is the problem

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will__:

tantris, Have you got apache(2) installed on the backend? If so, you could install phpmyadmin (or perhaps it's called myphpadmin?) and edit the table directly?

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ifvoid:

hi

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ifvoid:

it is possible to tell mythtv to expire a certain type of recording before all other, even though the other ones might be older?

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gary:

downloaded myththemes from stable-svn; getting compile error --- Downloaded Myththemes from stable-svn; compile gives error:/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot open output file myththemes: Is a directory

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siXy:

tantris: there is a channel editor in mythtv-setup – but sadly i dont have a mythbox thats installed atm so i cant tell you exactly where

[20:48:35]

biohazd:

anyone here in uk ?

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biohazd:

how can i get uk tv listing to work wih cable ? virgin media

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siXy:

biohazd: theres an xml grabber that will grab the data off the RT website – just need to tell it what channels to grab info for

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tantris:

sixy: thanks, I can't find it too :-(

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biohazd:

siXy: do u configure it in mythv ?

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biohazd:

siXy: hmm. but tv outout to mythv is svidoe, so how does it know what channel ?

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siXy:

tantris: do you know exactly what change you need to make?

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tantris:

yes i think so

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siXy:

biohazd: it will control your virgin cable box via an ir blaster

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siXy:

tantris: then you can just do an sql update command

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biohazd:

sixy: ir blaster. is that a cable from serial port?

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siXy:

there is a channel table in the mythconverg database with the data on all configured channels – you can update directly in there

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biohazd:

i wnt into videosouirce, chouse uk alternative, but it fails to get listing

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siXy:

biohazd: without some way for myth to control your tv source its not really that useful tbh... an ir blaster is a ir treansmitter that sends signals from your computer to the cable box

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siXy:

tantris: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: so, I took the sticker off, and there was a second one under it on the tin can

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Staticwave_Ace:

unfortunately it came off with the other sticker

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biohazd:

sixy: i ordered the ir cable , should be here soon

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tantris:

siXy: yes I found dtv_multiplex, but I don't know which mplexid is my channel :-(

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: hopefully the info I seek is on that sticker?

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tantris:

ahh there is the mplex id !

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: I've scanned it and I'm attempting to reverse the image

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biohazd:

thnaks for help guys

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biohazd:

night

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: so should the numbers I want be imprinted on the metal, or on a sticker *under* the other sticker

[21:10:46]

j-rod:

mkrufky: hey, got a v4l question for ya...

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: not sure

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mkrufky:

hi, j-rod

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: well the sticker underneath the other sticker indicates "FQ1236A/R H-4"

[21:13:09]

j-rod:

mkrufky: any familiarity at all with this? : https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/video4 . . . sg00287.html

[21:13:12]

mkrufky:

THATS what we're looking for, Staticwave_Ace

[21:13:25]

Staticwave_Ace:

alright

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: and what does it say in dmesg?

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mkrufky:

which tuner

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Staticwave_Ace:

Staticwave_Ace: Philips FQ1236A MK4

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mkrufky:

j-rod: looking...

[21:14:40]

Staticwave_Ace:

er

[21:14:43]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: Philips FQ1236A MK4

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mkrufky:

j-rod: ive seen those OCERR msgs from dvb-bt8xx , but i never say bttv produce them

[21:16:10]

mkrufky:

s/say/seen

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: ok, so that means that you probably have the right tuner loaded.... tuner=57 ?

[21:17:42]

Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: yeah :-/

[21:17:52]

mkrufky:

what was the problem again?

[21:17:55]

mkrufky:

bad static?

[21:18:07]

mkrufky:

you basicly have a picture, but it;s bad quality ?

[21:18:14]

Staticwave_Ace:

static on 1–13, and misaligned (shifted right and up)

[21:18:39]

mkrufky:

about the misalign, you should ask about that on the ivtv devel mailing list

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mkrufky:

about that static, are you saying it's only on one channel?

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: there is "poor quality" on channels 1–13

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mkrufky:

oh, channelS 1 thru 13

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Staticwave_Ace:

actually, let me revise

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Staticwave_Ace:

its more like 1–5

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j-rod:

mkrufky: don't suppose anyone has looked into the cause of those OCERR messages?...

[21:21:33]

mkrufky:

j-rod: i am sorry..... i try to be helpful, but this is one thing over my head :-(

[21:21:50]

mkrufky:

j-rod: i encountered those error messages, and asked about it on linux-dvb

[21:22:00]

mkrufky:

j-rod: developers just told me how to tell the driver to ignore them

[21:22:07]

j-rod:

mkrufky: no problemo, just starting on some research

[21:22:14]

j-rod:

hrm.

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mkrufky:

j-rod: look inside dvb-bt8xx.c , grep for OCERR

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** mkrufky checks **

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: http://staticwave.ca/temp/test.mpg and http://staticwave.ca/temp/test_1.mpg

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Staticwave_Ace:

to quantify the quality difference

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mkrufky:

oops, j-rod i'm sorry that was wrong

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mkrufky:

j-rod: look in dvb-bt8xx.c , at static int __devinit dvb_bt8xx_probe(struct bttv_sub_device *sub)

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mkrufky:

j-rod: card->irq_err_ignore

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: i cant look right now..... BUT

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: you should try to edit the tuner entry for tuner #57

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: alter the cut-off range to match the channels you are having problems with

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mkrufky:

try to use the cb for the next range instead

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mkrufky:

see if that helps

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: where should I be editing this?

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mkrufky:

tuner-types.c

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mkrufky:

i'm sorry.... i'm assuming that you know something about this stuff :-/

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mkrufky:

do you?

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Staticwave_Ace:

I know some stuff

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mkrufky:

ok

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Staticwave_Ace:

its tuner-types.h it seems

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mkrufky:

i am suggesting that you drop the lo range and see what hapepns

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mkrufky:

tuner-types.h is in linux/include/media

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mkrufky:

tuner-types.c is in linux/drivers/media/video

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Staticwave_Ace:

you are correct

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** mkrufky knows **

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mkrufky:

:-)

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrmm, so the 1236A mk4 uses the same range as the mk3

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** Staticwave_Ace edits the mk3 **

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: .cb_first_if_lower_freq = 1 ?

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Staticwave_Ace:

set that low?

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mkrufky:

nah

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mkrufky:

hmm

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** mkrufky looks **

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mkrufky:

this is a NTSC tuner??

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Staticwave_Ace:

yes

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Staticwave_Ace:

WinTV-PVR-500 NTSC/NTSC-J

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: delete line #617

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mkrufky:

{ 16 * 160.00 /*MHz*/, 0x8e, 0x01, },

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mkrufky:

THIS IS A TEST

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mkrufky:

it might make things worse

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mkrufky:

....or it might not

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** Staticwave_Ace comments **

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j-rod:

mkrufky: pretty sure the tuner def for the Philips FQ1236A MK4 is fine...

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j-rod:

WORKSFORME anyhow

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j-rod:

that's the original pvr-500

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: does not appear to be any change

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mkrufky:

j-rod: i think so, too.... but we had to try

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j-rod:

I've got one in my own backend, works perfectly. Well, actually... I really haven't recorded channels 1–13 in a long time...

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: you compiled and reinstalled and reloaded the module?

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: sure did

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mkrufky:

it shuold nto look "the same"

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Staticwave_Ace:

even rebooted to be sure

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j-rod:

(since the stuff in that range is mostly available in hd, so I record that instead) :)

[21:36:46]

mkrufky:

it should either be better or worse

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mkrufky:

oh, oops

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mkrufky:

j-rod is right

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Staticwave_Ace:

the higher channels are screwed

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** mkrufky brain hurts **

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Staticwave_Ace:

channels > 6

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mkrufky:

anyway, i didnt seriously think the tuner def was wrong..... just dont know what else to try

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mkrufky:

could be tda9887 handling

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j-rod:

already tried different freq tables?

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mkrufky:

i dont even know what app he's using

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mkrufky:

what app r u using, Staticwave_Ace?

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j-rod:

sounds sorta similar to a us-cable/us-cable-hrc/us-cable-irc mismatch

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mkrufky:

that could be

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mkrufky:

gosh... thats probably it!

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Staticwave_Ace:

mythtv, 0.20_gentoostuff

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** mkrufky does not believe in mythtv for testing **

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mkrufky:

but thats probably OK

[21:39:17]

mkrufky:

...since it's a hardware encoder

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Staticwave_Ace:

well, its a dedicated frontend/backend

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Staticwave_Ace:

kinda hard to fiddle with

[21:39:28]

mkrufky:

...famous last words

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kormoc:

Staticwave_Ace, that _gentoostuff is the mythtv svn revision

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Staticwave_Ace:

figured that

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mkrufky:

sorry Staticwave_Ace ... i probably wasted your time

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mkrufky:

...at least we can rule OUT the tuner :-/

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: the samples I provided were "recorded" via cat

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: so are we saying its a us-cable mismatch?

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chuk:

can I get EIT data over digital cable?

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chuk:

in the USA

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: thats a good possibility

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clever`:

im getting eit and closed captioning on the composite out

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clever`:

of my digital cable box

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mkrufky:

chuk: YES

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clever`:

atleast what looks like eit data

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chuk:

let me clarify, I am using a cable tuner card in my box

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chuk:

not an external box

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chuk:

I have always associated EIT data with satellites

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mkrufky:

then why did you ask?

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chuk:

so I wasn't sure which settings were applicated to cable

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mkrufky:

the answer is YES

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clever`:

i think the eit i get is in the vbi area of the video signals

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mkrufky:

I have EIT data provided by Time Warner Cable

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clever`:

im on rogers digital cable

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chuk:

I wasn't sure if there was a difference between using a cable box and using a tuner card

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mkrufky:

I have heard that EIT is present in comcast TS also

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: us-cable-hrc and us-cable-irc do not improve the quality

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mkrufky:

if you use a cable box, then you wont get any eit

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clever`:

my cable box seems to output eit data

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** mkrufky pleads the 5th, Staticwave_Ace **

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clever`:

but the tvout on my pc doesnt

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mkrufky:

:-P

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chuk:

so, it should be as simple as choosing "use EIT for guide data" or whatever that option is

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clever`:

and my tv can see some of the eit data and show it on screen

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clever`:

but the tvout(of the pc) cant reproduce it for the tv's use

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chuk:

I have comcast and I have tried that option, and I didn't get anything, so I wasn't sure if it was even possible

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: oh well, I'm gonna check the current QAM channels I get (on my analog service for some reason) to see if I can get all the same channels in digital and avoid this "quality' issue

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chuk:

I have one of the lamer comcast branches, so it wouldn't surprise me

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: what qam card do you have?

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clever`:

i have a bttv:(

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: none yet, gonna investigate if I should get one (probably the hdhomerun)

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: by law, they have to give you those network programming in unencrypted qam ... isnt that great?

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Staticwave_Ace:

mkrufky: in the US I assume, this is canada

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mkrufky:

Staticwave_Ace: ok... ive heard good things about the hdhomerun

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mkrufky:

(one is on its way to me now)

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Staticwave_Ace:

a nice dual digital tuner seems like a good idea

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Altair256:

where's the best place to ask a generic question about text file manipulation in linux/bash?

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Staticwave_Ace:

#bash

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Staticwave_Ace:

lol

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Altair256:

I just want to remove a line from a file

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Altair256:

hrm

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clever`:

grep could do that easily

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mkrufky:

grep -v "token"

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Altair256:

so simple. I must be totally brain dead today

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Staticwave_Ace:

or sed

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Altair256:

ah, ty

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clever`:

....|grep -v hidelinescontainingthis

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Altair256:

I'm an old Dos guy

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Altair256:

so I'm not afraid of scripting, but things are very different in bash

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mkrufky:

waaaaay better ;-)

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Altair256:

grep -v "token"... thanks

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Altair256:

sed could do regex though, right?

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clever`:

grep can do regex also

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Altair256:

ah

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Altair256:

easy enough then

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Altair256:

thanks :)

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Altair256:

everyone in this channel is always so helpful :)

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** mkrufky apologizes to those he tried to help but could not **

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mkrufky:

i have to go

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mkrufky:

any last questions before i leave?

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Altair256:

what's the meaning to life, the universe, and everything?

[21:51:02]

mkrufky:

love

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mkrufky:

next?

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clever`:

lol

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mkrufky:

that IS the answer, and i stand behind it 100%

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** will_ thought it was 42 **

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Altair256:

google says it's 42

[21:51:42]

** will_ is google **

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Altair256:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=what . . . ;safe=active

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clever`:

LOL

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Altair256:

you can even use it as a constant in google math

[21:52:17]

Altair256:

ie... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=a . . . erything+*+3

[21:52:22]

mkrufky:

lol you're right... google does say 42

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Altair256:

the answer to life the universe and everything * 3

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mkrufky:

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Li . . . d_Everything

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mkrufky:

and with that, I'm out

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Altair256:

google response with: the answer to life the universe and everything * 3 = 126

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Altair256:

later mkrufky

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mkrufky:

l8r guys

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FunkyELF:

where is the commercial skip list stored for a particular show?

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Tanthrix:

Everything goes in the db.

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juski:

FunkyELF: recordedmarkup table

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Mr_Grieves_:

Hey, I just got some new hard drives...what would be the best fs for mythtv's storage?

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juski:

xfs has its ups & downs. ext3 has its ups & downs. reiserfs has its ups & downs..

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juski:

you decide :)

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Mr_Grieves_:

:) I see.

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Mr_Grieves_:

I've always been a fan of ext3, but I wanted to keep my mind open ;)

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juski:

before the slow delete stuff came to mythtv I once had an issue using ext3

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juski:

deleting a *lot* of stuff in one go caused me big problems – had to restore a db backup

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Mr_Grieves_:

ouch. Which one do ya think will handle all the read/writes best fragmentationwise?

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Tanthrix:

I finally switched to XFS since I realized there was no good reason to be using ext3 on a storage only drive

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vladg:

I'm having a lot of trouble with the PVR-350. Whenever it records, it drops frames, and the audio is sped up. I'm not getting any errors in any of my logs, and I tried changing various settings under both the recording profiles and the TV playback. Any ideas where I can look for advice?

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Tanthrix:

Haven't really noticed any differences in using myth and such, so it probably doesn't matter much, but I could be wrong.

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juski:

Mr_Grieves_: all fs get fragmented eventually

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Mr_Grieves_:

right, but some take longer than others to get bad

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Kevorkian:

I heard a rumor abotu a zap2it replacment .. any truth to it ?

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juski:

Kevorkian: see the topic

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