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Wednesday, July 11th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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pembo13_com:

GreyFoxx: i logged in ok, seeing my lineup, and subscription ends in 09

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GreyFoxx:

I assume by 09 you mean september ?

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pembo13_com:

GreyFoxx: no i mean 2009 (that's what it shows at least)

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Massif:

lol sweet

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GreyFoxx:

then something is corrupt about your account

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GreyFoxx:

cause all accounts expire after 3 months

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pembo13:

sorry

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pembo13:

i misread

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pembo13:

assumed the year was last

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pembo13:

2007/07/09

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GreyFoxx:

so it's expired :)

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, what in the world

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pembo13:

i extended it about 3 weeks ago

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pembo13:

didn't even think to look at that

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, thanks dude

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pembo13:

so is there any plan as to how to replace datadirect once they cut us off?

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GreyFoxx:

plans are in the works. Nothing official or announced yet

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GreyFoxx:

but hopefully very soon

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, does it involved money? cause i'm willing to pay a fair fee

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GreyFoxx:

there are several options

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pembo13:

cable is near useless as it is, without Mythtv i may very well just disconnect the cable

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GreyFoxx:

and some include a small fee

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pembo13:

cool

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pembo13_com:

is there a forum to give suggestions? or is this purely a prob to be solved internally by the devs?

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GreyFoxx:

internal

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pembo13_com:

ok

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pembo13_com:

are you part of the team?

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pembo13_com:

GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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geek_:

yay yay yay

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geek_:

i got it to work

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pembo13_com:

GreyFoxx: you might be able to answer this question of curiousiity, would there be less over heard (nandwidth, CPU) if the listings were pulled directly from a public, hosted DB?

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GreyFoxx:

never happen

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pembo13_com:

GreyFoxx: legal issues?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

well back up

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GreyFoxx:

what do you mean by a "public" database

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pembo13_com:

lawyers spoil everything huh

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pembo13_com:

well "we" pay to host a mysql db for example, and users can just log in and read the listings, as opposed to dloading the XML files which would then be parsed

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GreyFoxx:

not practical

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a5benwillis:

Can anyone help me with this error???

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a5benwillis:

"Table './mythconverg/eit_cache' is marked as crashed"

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pembo13_com:

i ask not out of defiance, but out of wanting to know... why not

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hads:

I wouldn't host a database that's open to the 'net if you paid me.

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a5benwillis:

How can I repair that?

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pembo13_com:

i figured it must have been considered and rejected

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GreyFoxx:

"repair table eit_Cache;"

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a5benwillis:

GreyFoxx: Run that from mysql?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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pembo13_com:

hads, why not... a readonly db, on a lite OS

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pembo13_com:

hads, one service, no other ports, services except a firewall running...

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pembo13_com:

hads: worst someone could do i would think is DOS

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hads:

Database servers are complex things and I wouldn't personally trust the security of them on the big bad 'net.

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pembo13:

hads, would be intersting to try... with a simple service, it should be fairly safe to lock down, at least no less afe that a web server

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a5benwillis:

GreyFoxx: I cant seem to get it to work

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pembo13:

I'm watching the myth install docs, but it didn't answer my my other question... is it possible to use a differnt DB name? other than mythconverg

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GreyFoxx:

sure

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GreyFoxx:

You define the name in your mysql.txt

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varun_:

I'm a little confused about the frontend/backend distinction. My MythTV box is going to be just for ripping/encoding DVDs and decoding video to my TV. I am going to have a NAS which stores all the actual files. Do I just need the frontend, then?

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Agrajag-:

nup you need a backend too

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varun_:

Agrajag-: much thanks!

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, thanks, didn't know about that file... is it normal to have a /.mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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Altair256:

is Data Direct down again?

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GreyFoxx:

pembo13: you have to have a mysql.txt at least somewhere

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GreyFoxx:

Altair256: No

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Altair256:

I thought I heard earlier today that it was backup and working correctly?

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GreyFoxx:

it is

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, sure... just found / to be a wierd place for it to be, as opposed to /etc

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Altair256:

when I when to "Video source setup" added my username and password and clicked "Get Lineups" or whateever, it's hanging at 50%

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Altair256:

it's hung connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com|206.18.98.160|:80... connected.

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Altair256:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response...

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Altair256:

isn't that the issue we were experiencing earlier?

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Altair256:

or do i possibly have a different issue on my end?

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pembo13:

Altair256, works

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pembo13:

Altair256, check your subscription, i made that mistake

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Altair256:

I'm logged into my subscription on my other computer right now

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pembo13:

Altair256, yah, but is it expired?

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Altair256:

no

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Altair256:

Subscription Expires: 2007/08/22

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pembo13:

cool

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pembo13:

i'm no pro here, sorry

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Altair256:

no worries, thanks for the suggestion

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mkrufky:

hello ... i had a segfault after mythfilldatabase... is it safe to assume that this mythfilldatabase run went ok? what is this, "remote 'Clear Cache' request" , and should I be concerned about this segfault? http://rafb.net/p/j6pKGx56.html

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Altair256:

it just gets a timed out error after a few minutes when trying to connect to get my channel lineups >.<

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Altair256:

ah well... I'll be back later. Maybe they're just a little overloaded right now ?

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Altair256:

thanks guys

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pembo13:

yet another question, but where/how do I tell the backend what ip to use for the mysql db?

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clever:

mysql.txt

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clever:

you can edit it frm one of the settings pages in mythfrontend

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clever:

or you can edit it manualy

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pembo13:

clever, looking at the file... i don't see any obvious keys to use for the db ip

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pembo13:

nevermind

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clever:

cat ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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clever:

DBHostName=192.168.1.60

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clever:

...

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pembo13:

clever, still got the same question apperently

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pembo13:

i set all mysql.txts i could find

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clever:

where are they?

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pembo13:

the mythbackend is still trying to connect to socket

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clever:

and what username is the backend running under?

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pembo13:

clever, not sure.. le me check

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pembo13:

clever, mythtv, home dir /var/lib/mythtv

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pembo13:

which has no files

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pembo13:

do i need to copy it with a mysql.txt too?

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clever:

no you only need 1 mysql.txt

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clever:

what distro?

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pembo13:

clever, fedora

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clever:

ah

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clever:

do you have a /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt?

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pembo13:

clever not according to locate

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pembo13:

clever, there is a /.myth/mysql (which I found wierd)

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clever:

lol

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clever:

you may have ran a myth prog as root or something

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clever:

im checking to see where mythtv looks for mysql.txt

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clever:

check the output of mythbackend -v database

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clever:

to see what its trying to do to the db

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pembo13:

ok

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pembo13:

yah it is being ran as root

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clever:

check maybe /root/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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clever:

"mysql.txt",

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clever:

"$ENV{HOME}/.mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

"/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

"/usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

"/usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

"/usr/local/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

"mysql.txt",

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clever:

"$ENV{HOME}/.mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

"/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

"/usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

"/usr/local/share/mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

"/usr/local/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt",

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clever:

oops

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clever:

thats the list of locations mythtv searches when trying to find mysql.txt i beleive

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pembo13:

clever, i ran the command , it's doing a whole set of MSsqlquery messages, so far without errors

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clever:

good

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pembo13:

not sure why that woudl work but service mythbackend start dies out

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clever:

that may run it under a diff username

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clever:

causing the "$ENV{HOME}/.mythtv/mysql.txt" path to come out diff

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pembo13:

ok, i'll copy the .mythtv to the home dir

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pembo13:

i see the init script cds to mythtv home first

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clever:

you could instead make a symlink

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clever:

so that theres 1 copy and it appears at all places

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pembo13:

yah, according to the init script it's suppose to get run as mythtv

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pembo13:

let me add the file

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pembo13:

still curious as to how a copy ends up in /

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clever:

if you have just 1 mysql.txt at /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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clever:

then that should do

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pembo13_com:

do i let mythbackend -v database run as long as it takes? or can i kill it?

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GreyFoxx:

pemo: ummm .... as long as it takes for what ?

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clever:

it will never exit

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clever:

enless it crashes

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clever:

or you tell it to exit

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GreyFoxx:

if you want it to daemonize add a -d tothe commandline

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clever:

'mythbackend -v database' is another way to 'service mythbackend start'

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clever:

his init script is having trouble starting the backend

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pembo13_com:

well i'm going to have to kill it to give the init stricpt another triy

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clever:

yeah just ctrl+c it

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AngryElf:

where can I edit what appears on the main menu?

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GreyFoxx:

AngryElf: the somewhere in the theme xml files

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GreyFoxx:

though even that is only so flexible

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pembo13_com:

this is fustrating

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pembo13_com:

i have mysql.txt all over the place

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GreyFoxx:

then remove them

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pembo13_com:

the dameon i still looking for the sock

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GreyFoxx:

and create asmple one

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GreyFoxx:

pemo: What exactly is it saying

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GreyFoxx:

pastebin the outpout to www.pastebin.ca

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TUplink_:

would this be a valit user job? ln -s "%DIR%/%FILE%" "/var/html/www/vids/%TITLE%: %SUBTITLE%" > /tmp/logwww

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pembo13_com:

GreyFoxx:

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pembo13_com:

sorry

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pembo13_com:

http://www.pastebin.ca/613554

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pembo13_com:

i want to use another machine as the db server, i can't figure out how to tell the daemon what to use as the server, it keeps trying to use localhost it seems

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pembo13_com:

GreyFoxx: and here is my /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt , http://www.pastebin.ca/613559

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mattwj2005:

hi everyone

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mattwj2005:

do you guys think that a Directv dish would work for OTA?

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mattwj2005:

all the tv stations come from basically the same degree

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mattwj2005:

any opinions?

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TUplink_:

i want to know if this would be a valid user job ln -s "%DIR%/%FILE%" "/var/html/www/vids/%TITLE%: %SUBTITLE%"

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hads:

TUplink_: There's a contrib script that will do what you want to do by the looks

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TUplink_:

um.... where is it?

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pembo13:

is there any way to tell the dameon what mysql.conf file to use?

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hads:

"contrib script" == in the contrib directory of the source.

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mattwj2005:

any options?

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mattwj2005:

*opinions

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TUplink_:

ok... let me have a look

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pembo13:

ok... how do i use a database on a different machine?

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TUplink_:

pembo13 cant you jsut set the mysql server in mythtv-setup

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pembo13:

TUplink_, that didn't work

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TUplink_:

then i have no idea

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TUplink_:

mattwj2005 you know what the script is.... i dont know perl :(

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loca|host:

am new to DVB on Linux, just trying to migrate from win to ubuntu, and am seeking for the way to get the equivalent to progdvb and watching TPS with softcam files

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loca|host:

anyone can help me ?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

softcam is a topic not allowed in here

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mattwj2005:

sorry I don't tuplink

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loca|host:

GreyFoxx, why ? nothing written on the topic about it

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Altair256:

grrr... datadirect still isn't loading for me. Ah well

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GreyFoxx:

loca|host: Because we said so ?

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, i pasted the files

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loca|host:

GreyFoxx, you better keep silent please

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GreyFoxx:

the project is largely US based and those devs do not want it in anyway associated with anything legally questionable

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Altair256:

what's legally questionable ? >.> lol

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GreyFoxx:

loca|host: No, softcam talk is not allowexd in here

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loca|host:

GreyFoxx, and where is it allowed so ?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't have an alternate location you can go to get info on it. Just not on here nor the official mythtv mailling lists

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pembo13:

:(

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GreyFoxx:

pembo13: Have you deleted all of the other mysql.txt's uyet?

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Altair256:

afk

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pembo13:

as soon as it was suggested, yes

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GreyFoxx:

And have you used find to search to ensure there isn;t something that's not in the locate database ?

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, no , i did an updatedb just before

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pembo13:

i'll check with find agaibn

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hads:

heh "GreyFoxx, you better keep silent please"

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mattwj2005:

well I need to run up town :)

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mattwj2005:

brb

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, well it seems to have recreated /.mythtv/mysql.txt, which i proceded to configure again... solving that problem

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, i'll have to email the package about that

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pembo13:

GreyFoxx, however, tvtime works, but i'm getting a green screen with mythtv when attempting to view cable

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pembo13:

i think i'm fairly exhausted with mythtv for now, will check out this green screen thing later

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Freman:

heyas, is there some way to get the currently playing song from mythmusic?

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Freman:

ie: over a socket, from a file, etc?

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mattwj2005:

okay I am back :)

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mattwj2005:

FTA satelllite would be cool too

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mattwj2005:

I wonder how much for tuners

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mattwj2005:

anyone in the room do FTA Ku satellite/

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mattwj2005:

particularly in the US

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foxbuntu:

I am actually looking for the devs...where is the channel for devs?

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mattwj2005:

no idea

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mattwj2005:

:S

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mattwj2005:

have you tried the wiki?

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Altair256:

foxbuntu, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC

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Altair256:

#mythtv is for the devs

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Altair256:

however the devs are generally in this room as well, I believe

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Altair256:

fyi: datadirect is on try 6 after about an hour, the specific error is:

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Altair256:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers.

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Dagmar:

Can we put "No one cares about your DataDirect problems." in the channel topic yet?

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Altair256:

-.-

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Altair256:

I am simply trying to be helpful, as it seems the powers that be believe the problem was resolved

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Altair256:

I am doing my part in letting them know that it is not working for me, and what the specific error is

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Altair256:

I am not whining, I am not even complaining... I am simply trying to be helpful so that if anyone else is experiencing it they will know they are not alone

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Altair256:

and that if it is only me, that someone may care enough to point me in the right direction

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Altair256:

...

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Altair256:

that is all

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brianko:

running 0.20...been working for months, along comes a storm and knocks it off-line. Restart, all is well, but remote no longer works.

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brianko:

irw shows commands being generated

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brianko:

suggestions?

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clever:

check lirc.conf

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brianko:

intact...codes match what is displayed by irw (this is a Haup. 350)

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TTT_Travis:

is http://irblaster.info pretty much the cheapest place to get serial IR things?

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mattwj2005:

I am thinking about getting stuff for FTA DVB-S assuming it'll work

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clever:

TTT_Travis: i made one by buying a ir led and shreding a serial mouse

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clever:

also got a small pack of resistors

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TTT_Travis:

don't know if I have the parts todo that

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TTT_Travis:

can you just use like the serial led from a remote?

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TTT_Travis:

I assume you would need some type of circuit board too?

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clever:

nope

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clever:

3 parts in series

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clever:

pin 4 goes to a diode

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clever:

to a resistor

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clever:

thru the led

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clever:

and back into pin 5

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clever:

melted a hole in the side of the serial mouse case for the led

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clever:

ohm'ed out the cable from the mouse

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TTT_Travis:

yeah don't have the spare parts + sounds confusing + need two :)

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TTT_Travis:

was this a blaster or receiver?

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clever:

lol

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clever:

blaster

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clever:

changes the channel on the digital cable box just fine

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TTT_Travis:

oh I see

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brianko:

anyone know if the cx88 module not being loaded might affect the remote?

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TTT_Travis:

I was talking about receiver

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

receiver is more complex

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clever:

but still can be done without a board

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clever:

http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/ shows how to build a receiver

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TTT_Travis:

oh I can order then there

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TTT_Travis:

sweet

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TTT_Travis:

they're cheaper

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clever:

:)

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clever:

you can also see how there made

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TTT_Travis:

boring ;)

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clever:

lol

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** clever goes to watch some tv **

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mattwj2005:

you know what is exciting talking about DVB-S working in the US :P

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stormy|:

is it possible to ffmpeg a video into .3gp format?

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brianko:

rebuilding lirc seemed to do the trick...

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Massif:

stormy: yes, http://www.torrentocracy.com/blog/archives/20 . . . ytht_1.shtml

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clever:

brianko: you may have upgraded your kernel

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clever:

brianko: and the reboot loaded that new kernel

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clever:

and the lirc module then became invalid maybe

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brianko:

Believe me, once I got mythtv running (after many hours of tinkering), the last thing I'd do is try a new kernel!

[03:28:07]

brianko:

I barely breathe around the box...

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brianko:

I found a forum thread that discussed something similar happening "for no reason"

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mattwj2005:

yeah I am thinking I won't have proper view area for my dish :(

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clever:

briand: my ubuntu keeps offering new kernels to me every now and then

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mattwj2005:

any one have any suggestions for tv antennas?

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brianko:

No offers for new kernels here...

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cesman:

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

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sphery:

foxbuntu: You do realize that kormoc's changes are going into SVN trunk, not 0.20-fixes SVN, right? (And any new development you do should be directed toward trunk if you want to push changes upstream.)

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foxbuntu:

right

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Trentster:

Hey all, I seem to get this error in mythbackendlog every time i try and transcode anything " 2007-07–11 11:33:25.544 Unknown video codec: " "transcoding failed" any ideas, I think its to do withh ffmpeg, is this not enabled by default?

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sphery:

Just making sure. I thought mythbuntu was using 0.20-fixes, so...

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Eclipsor:

ok, this may seem like a dumb question, but I have a pvr 500 and I';d like to be able to use the composite input for xbox on my pc, possibly recording it

[03:51:28]

Eclipsor:

how would I get that set up to work with mythtv?

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sphery:

Trentster: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . sb=post_time

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mattwj2005:

thanks cesman

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sphery:

Trentster: for example, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/247249#247249

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sphery:

Many other solutions if you take the time to read the search results

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sphery:

Don't know which applies to your case

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cesman:

mattwj2005: you're welcome

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sphery:

Eclipsor: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/188022#188022 (using the "No grabber" approach--which is now in 0.20-fixes).

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Trentster:

sphery, thanks, I will check it out, but surely on a default install of knoppmyth r5f1 trancoding should just work without any tweaking, I notice if i set it to mpeg4 it works just not ffmpeg which by default is what its set to use.

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sphery:

Needs configured

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Eclipsor:

ohh

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Eclipsor:

sphery: awesome, so once I get that set up, I'd just hit C while watching live tv?

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sphery:

Yeah. Then look me up on XBox live. I could really use the ranking help...

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sphery:

You'll be seeing video from 2-seconds behind real-time (or more).

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Eclipsor:

don't have live :P

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sphery:

In other words, you can do that to record XBox, but you can't play that way.

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Eclipsor:

would be nice to get it for a month or so though to snag all the content updates

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sphery:

XBox or 360?

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Eclipsor:

xbox

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sphery:

Oh. Don't know about that one... I got a month free with my 360.

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sphery:

Either way, you won't be able to use Myth to play the XBox.

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stormy|:

I'm trying to compile the GPAC project, and I am getting this error... doesn't make any sense to me as I dont know what 'lglut' is... : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lglut

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sphery:

You'd have to use xawtv or tvtime or something that does not record, and--even then--the PVR-x50's internal buffering is likely enough to get you killed. :)

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kormoc:

libglut

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Trentster:

sphery, thanks for the info

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kormoc:

that was to you stormy|

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sphery:

Trentster: Hope it helps. I don't know details of making transcoding work, but I know that it has to be configured properly for your system after install. If I knew more, I'd give you details.

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stormy|:

kormoc: lol I feel silly now.. hehe thanks!

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Trentster:

sphery, thanks it is a big help....I will have to look into it further.

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Eclipsor:

sphery: using xawtv or tvtime wouldn't interfere with myth if I had the backend running at the same time, right? (but not recording)

[04:00:28]

Eclipsor:

"xxx is set to start on channel 3, which does not exist."

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Eclipsor:

:\

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sphery:

Eclipsor: You have to create a "button" in the XML menu theme that does an EXECTV

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Eclipsor:

ok

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stormy|:

hey kormoc: doing a yum install libglut doesn't show up anything, nor is it in the extra libs for GPAC; where can I get the library?

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kormoc:

stormy|, typically it's with mesa

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sphery:

Eclipsor: Look at /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/tvmenu.xml and /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/themes/{DVR,classic}/tvmenu.xml . There's an example in each menu theme.

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sphery:

stormy|: or in freeglut

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sphery:

(But you only want one--the mesa- or the freeglut-provided libglut--not both.

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stormy|:

the mesa didn't have it (it would have showed up in the yum listing right? ), so I got freeglut

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sphery:

It's built into mesa, but if compiled without the built-in libglut, freeglut can be used instead.

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sphery:

Don't know how a package manager would show that.

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sphery:

And I don't know how your distro compiles/ships it.

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Eclipsor:

sphery: and where will I be looking to see these menu changes?

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Eclipsor:

just the menu that appears on startup?

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sphery:

I think, though, that because of the license issues with Mark Kilgard's original GLUT implementation (that's in Mesa), most distros use freeglut, instead.

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sphery:

Eclipsor: Depends on which menu theme you've selected (which also determines which of the 3 files to edit).

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Eclipsor:

just default

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Eclipsor:

oh, I see it now

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sphery:

Where did you find it?

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sphery:

(I was looking at the code to see where it should be--and was thinking you needed to move it from tvmenu.xml to mainmenu.xml or some submenu.)

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Eclipsor:

changed my menu themes to classic

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Eclipsor:

doesnt show up under dvr though

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sphery:

If using the default menu themes, I think you have to do as I just mentioned.

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sphery:

Looks like default no longer uses tvmenu.xml (since the mainmenu has the tvmenu's functionality)

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Eclipsor:

going to have a play around with xawtv

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ben9:

so what are people using as as an alternative to Zap2It wilst a new solution is in the making?

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kormoc:

ben9, nothing?

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kormoc:

ben9, zap2it is still around for a few more months...

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ben9:

kormoc: mine times out

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kormoc:

ben9, they are having DB issues, as posted in the z2i forum, it'll be fixed as soon as they can

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ben9:

ah ok, i thought they already took it down

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ben9:

well that calmed my worries for now ;-) toodles

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Trentster:

is it better to use mpeg-4 for transcoding HDTV recording over ffmpeg, that is selected by default in the recording profiles

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AngryElf:

halt: must be root — if MFE doesn't run as root how do I get around this?

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AngryElf:

last time I messed with /etc/sudoers I blew up my machine

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clarkey:

Hi wondering if anyone could help trying to set up a MythTV box nearly all done all that is left is to get the remote working (some of the buttons work ie. numbers and left right up down but the others don't) I have tried to set up lirc but get errors any one that could help? spent all day trying to work this out i am relatively new to linux so its a hard one and any help would be very appreciated PS Using Ubuntu 7.04

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AngryElf:

clarkey, man irrecord

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clarkey:

yea it gives me this error:

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clarkey:

irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running ? --> close it, check permissions)

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AngryElf:

well did you close it?

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t0ny-p40:

Whats the best way to transcode a recording in osx?

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clarkey:

i dont kno how to

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t0ny-p40:

My myth box is slow

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AngryElf:

kill, killall

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t0ny-p40:

and my macbook pro is fast :)

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clarkey:

cool

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clarkey:

its not started but when i try to start it it says to configure it

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clever:

cable out

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** clever upgrades mythtv:P **

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clever:

wait

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clever:

just 1 channel

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clever:

wtf:S

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clever:

a few are static

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clever:

others are weak signal

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clever:

might be a break in the wire which is causing signal damage

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clever:

some are clear

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clever:

some are full static

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clever:

others are weak signal

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clarkey:

could anyone help me I am having quite a bit of trouble with setting up lirc

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Dagmar:

Then you should start consulting the documentation unless you can cite a *specific problem*

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AngryElf:

how do I remove a plugin, especially from the main menu?

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AngryElf:

remove, uninstall, don't show it....etc

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Dagmar:

You uninstall the plugin.

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AngryElf:

right

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AngryElf:

ok let me clarify, I didn't install via a package

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Dagmar:

The answer is still the same.

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AngryElf:

vague and useless?

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Dagmar:

It's very specific.

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Dagmar:

REMOVE THE PLUGIN DMANIT

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AngryElf:

how?

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AngryElf:

i dont see a "remove the plugin button"

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Dagmar:

Did you have a button to install it?

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AngryElf:

no

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Dagmar:

I suggest you go find your magic buttons.

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AngryElf:

so how do I remove it?

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cesman:

you can edit the xml files to remove reference to the plugins

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AngryElf:

there's no XML file for the main menu

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cesman:

you can rm -fr /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/libpluginidon'twant.so

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** cesman ponders what mainmenu.xml is... **

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Dagmar:

You can use rm -rf / for all I care after that "vague and useless" crap

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AngryElf:

cesman, thanx for your simple, quick, and to the point answer

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cesman:

you're welcome

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AngryElf:

cesman, I was refering to the xml files in /usr/share/mythtv

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cesman:

again

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cesman:

you're welcome

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AngryElf:

they give some control over the submenus, but not complete

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Dagmar:

And fuck you for pretending to be more specific than you actually were.

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Dagmar:

Ask a vague question, get a vague answer.

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Dagmar:

Repeat the same stupid question, and you will get the same answer.

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AngryElf:

removing something is vague?

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Dagmar:

"<Dagmar> REMOVE THE PLUGIN DMANIT" <-- look vague to you

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AngryElf:

yup, where is it, exactly what do I remove?

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AngryElf:

i've got better things to do

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AngryElf:

cya

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Dagmar:

The plugin, which is where cesman said it was.

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cesman:

Dagmar: how can you quote yourself? ;)

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cesman:

muahahahaha

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Dagmar:

I use the mouse to highlight the text, and then hit shift-insert.

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[R]:

i can't figure out where it draws the "this time is past" overlay for the guide grid

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Dagmar:

That "vague and useless" crap was just inexcusably rude

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Dagmar:

[R]: I'm a little confused about what you're referring ot

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[R]:

in the grid... say the current time is 10:20 and it starts at 10

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Dagmar:

Okay

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[R]:

the time between 10 and 10:20 is like a darker shade

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Dagmar:

That is hard-coded, I *think*

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[R]:

yes i know

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[R]:

i'm trying to find where

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Dagmar:

If there's a theme element that controls it's color, I don't recally having seen it

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Dagmar:

Oh man GOOD LUCK finding anything in the source

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Dagmar:

The lack of comments make that a huge pain

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xris:

so quiet...

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Speedy2:

BOO!

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TUplink_:

how do i make myth use MPEG4 instead of NuppelVideo

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stuarta:

well the no output on an OSX frontend bug got fixed already :)

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stuarta:

^sound

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juski:

TUplink_: nuppelvideo is just the container – it can contain any format in theory but myth only uses mpeg4 or rtjpeg

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TUplink_:

so why dont the regular mpeg4 codecs work in windows why do i have to download dsmyth

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juski:

you say that, and all I hear is wah wah wah

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TUplink_:

hehe...

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TUplink_:

i want people to be able to download it and not have to install

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juski:

you want people to be able to share recordings you've made? admirable some might say but others might say NAUGHTY

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TUplink_:

um.....

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TUplink_:

hehe

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** stuarta waves the naughty stick at TUplink_ **

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Cry_wolf2:

Depends on where you live :=)

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juski:

it generally doesn't, as a matter of fact

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Cry_wolf2:

...and what you are recording

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TUplink_:

its all free brodcast....

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juski:

I'm not having this argument again

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TUplink_:

if they brodcast it why cant i others could just watfch it

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TUplink_:

n/m

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Cry_wolf2:

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juski:

oh FFS

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stuarta:

Cry_wolf2: TUplink_ don't even start or i'll kick ban you okay?

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juski:

you could say that yet on the other face you could be sharing copyrighted material. mythtv stays firmly on the right side of the law & leaves NO room for misinterpretation

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TUplink_:

i said n/m and droped it

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stuarta:

good :)

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Cry_wolf2:

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stuarta:

good :) x2

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stuarta:

now we all know where we stand, back to our regularly scheduled nonsense

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Cry_wolf2:

How do you check what version you are on ? Is It mythtvbackend --version ?

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juski:

mythbackend --version or mythfrontend --version

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stuarta:

juski: that photo with me in it at LRL is shocking

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stuarta:

i look like the fat bastard i am

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juski:

wanna be pixellated?

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stuarta:

nah :)

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Cry_wolf2:

ok, thanks.

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stuarta:

just tell me to breath in next time.

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juski:

if you think that's fat.. I imagine mine are much more lardy

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juski:

sixpack for summer, bollocks

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stuarta:

i have a keg :)

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juski:

they need to sort out a zero calorie Jack Daniels

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stuarta:

i'll give up first

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juski:

give up JD?! over my dead liver!

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juski:

anyway after last weekend's JD marathon it'll likely be a while til my next drinky excursion

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juski:

ENOMONEY

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stuarta:

yeah, same, had monday off and spent $$$

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juski:

well if nothing else I spotted stuff that needed work in my themes at the weekend

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SORMANOV:

am new to DVB on Linux, just trying to migrate from win to ubuntu, and am seeking for the way to get the equivalent to progdvb and watching TPS with softcam files

[10:51:29]

GreyFoxx:

As I told you last night, softcams are not a topic allowed in here

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stuarta:

persist and you will be banned

[10:52:40]

** stuarta has an itchy trigger finger today **

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Cry_wolf2:

juski: Damn blootube-wide is nice. What things are you going to fix en the weekend ?

[10:54:57]

juski:

huh?

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Cry_wolf2:

[12:11] <juski> well if nothing else I spotted stuff that needed work in my themes at the weekend

[10:55:30]

juski:

yes, last weekend I spotted things that I needed to look at

[10:55:38]

juski:

and some of those have already been fixed

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Cry_wolf2:

ah

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Trentster:

Hey all, does anyone know what this means, I am watching the frontend logs and see this being logged about once or twice every second. " NVP: prebuffering pause" any ideas?

[10:56:10]

juski:

anyway as far as 0.20-fixes goes, it's all ok :)

[10:56:34]

juski:

Trentster: if your video looks fine & plays smoothly you can safely ignore those messages

[10:56:39]

stuarta:

Trentster: pause it, count to 3, unpause

[10:57:45]

Trentster:

juski, yes video is semi fine, just can see its semi unsmooth when there is scrolling text on the screen like ticker feeds etc...

[10:58:01]

juski:

you need to deinterlace then

[10:58:42]

juski:

or if you're using a nvidia card's svideo/composite TV out, just crank up the flicker filter to half way :)

[10:59:39]

Trentster:

juski, I am deinterlacing allready with bob 2x and xvmc, and using vga out to lcd tv vga in

[11:00:22]

juski:

I use bob 2x with xvmc – looks perfect on my TV

[11:00:31]

juski:

even on news tickers & fast scrolling titles

[11:01:18]

rooaus:

Trentster: Pal or NTSC? What is your vertical refresh for the display?

[11:01:43]

Dagmar:

But... but... he's your uncle! How can you treat him that way

[11:02:08]

juski:

EWRONGWINDOW again Dagmar ?

[11:02:27]

Dagmar:

"<juski> I use bob 2x with xvmc – looks perfect on my TV"

[11:02:34]

Dagmar:

No, perhaps ENOTFUNNY tho

[11:03:01]

stuarta:

Dagmar += COFFEE

[11:03:02]

juski:

ahh. hardly har har

[11:03:11]

juski:

see what I did there? ;)

[11:03:12]

Dagmar:

It's this PAM stuff

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stuarta:

that's enough to send anyone loopy

[11:03:30]

rooaus:

Dagmar: Aunty pam?

[11:03:47]

juski:

so there you are Dagmar – knuckle deep in PAM

[11:04:14]

juski:

more lube, vicar?

[11:04:15]

rooaus:

juski: rofl!!!

[11:04:55]

Dagmar:

I begin to think I'm going ot need it

[11:05:12]

Dagmar:

No one ever documented what they were doing with this when it was built for Dropline, so I get to do a semi-audit

[11:06:26]

Dagmar:

...which means looking at all these little patches RedHat put in, figuring out what they do, and whether or not we need to have them.

[11:07:11]

Dagmar:

...which means exposing myself to things like pam-0.99.7.1-unix-allow-pwmodify.patch which removes a stanza from pam_unix dealing with a case where the host isn't using shadowed passwords

[11:07:16]

** juski wonders how the .org revamp is going **

[11:07:25]

Dagmar:

I don't even know why RedHat is using that one

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juski:

and wtf was this all about at LRL anyway? http://www.flickr.com/photos/avantman42/761585612/ got one hell of a fright when I got back in the building after lunch

[11:12:33]

Dagmar:

That's called "something that should have been given more thought"

[11:14:08]

Dagmar:

Maybe they were fishing for yanks

[11:14:12]

Dagmar:

no pun intended

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Dagmar:

Most Americans, not being all that concerned with politeness, would have just shouted "PUT ON SOME FARKING CLOTHES YOU NUT!"

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voltagex:

mythtv compile is chugging away nicely.

[11:55:04]

voltagex:

I wonder if I'll have my box up and running tonight

[11:55:09]

Dagmar:

Nope

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voltagex:

:/

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voltagex:

somehow I feel as if I have pointed a gun at my foot and fired.

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Dagmar:

Rule of thumb is it takes newbs about 24 hours the first time

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voltagex:

I've had mythtv on this box before, just not SVN.

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voltagex:

you're right... just run into an issue with distcc... I didn't even think it was on this box

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[12:01:21]

Dagmar:

There's always something unexpected.

[12:01:38]

Dagmar:

Later we'll talk about why you chose to build SVN instead of 0.20-fixes which will actually compile

[12:01:50]

voltagex:

Dagmar: I blame juski.

[12:01:50]

Dagmar:

...but we'll wait for the Mysterious Compile Failure for that.

[12:01:51]

Dagmar:

;)

[12:02:32]

voltagex:

Dagmar: he told me that SVN was pretty stable, and I believed him.

[12:02:42]

Dagmar:

"pretty" stable.

[12:02:55]

Dagmar:

Let me put that one in perspective for you...

[12:03:04]

Dagmar:

'My car's brakes "mostly" work.'

[12:03:08]

Dagmar:

:D

[12:03:15]

voltagex:

can't be any more unstable than my other install – crashed 4 times in 2 hours

[12:03:50]

Dagmar:

It *should* work, but I woudn't consider that a high enough possibility that it would be a good choice if say, you had to give a demo of the thing tomorrow morning

[12:04:17]

voltagex:

Dagmar: nah... just my TV box, and not the main TV in the house, so it really doesn't matter.

[12:04:36]

voltagex:

are you trying to scare people away from helping out by testing things?

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juski:

we ran 3 machines with the same version of trunk at the weekend – it stayed up the whole time no probs

[12:06:17]

juski:

and it got a bit of a hammerring

[12:06:45]

juski:

so don't come crying to me with blame :-P

[12:06:50]

voltagex:

see! I blame juski!

[12:06:57]

** voltagex hides **

[12:07:10]

juski:

FUCK OFF

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

I'm not trying to scare people away

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voltagex:

touchÃ©

[12:07:43]

Dagmar:

Ah he's joking

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voltagex:

how do you tell?

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Dagmar:

I just have a very pessimistic attitude about new installs.

[12:08:09]

Dagmar:

I *count* on whatever can possibly go wrong actually going wrong.

[12:08:39]

Dagmar:

THis way when I do something, and things go right, I get to skip a lot of steps.

[12:09:08]

Dagmar:

...as opposed to the alternative method of expecting everything to go right, and having to stop every so often and fix something, which causes frustration and despair.

[12:10:11]

Dagmar:

Plus, when you're of the opinion that everything's going to screw up, you watch it a lot more closely so you don't miss the tiny things that would otherwise evade detection until they've become horribly obscured by subsequent steps.

[12:10:14]

voltagex:

ok, the mythtv part built ok (or appeared to, no errors from make or make install)

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Dagmar:

whoohoo1

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voltagex:

are mythplugins or myththemes required at this stage?

[12:10:36]

Dagmar:

That depends

[12:10:47]

Dagmar:

Do you want any of the plugins like MythVideo?

[12:10:51]

Dagmar:

hinthint

[12:11:01]

Dagmar:

Would you like more than two themes?

[12:12:57]

Dagmar:

Mtyhthemes will build in mere seconds, mythplugins not so much but still not very long

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voltagex:

BAHAHA oops "This app was compiled against libmyth....but the library version is... you probably want to recompile everything"

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stuarta:

2 different versions installed

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stuarta:

probably one from package

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juski:

to a different path

[12:15:09]

stuarta:

remove all packages

[12:15:18]

juski:

insert brain

[12:15:28]

stuarta:

wonder how badly you'd screw up a redhat box with rpm -e rpm

[12:16:05]

stuarta:

probably have to force that tho

[12:16:21]

voltagex:

yeah, I'd removed all ubuntu packages other than libmyth

[12:16:31]

voltagex:

feel free to hit me with the cluestick

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stuarta:

well that was silly

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stuarta:

remove *all* packages relating to myth

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voltagex:

yes, I know that now

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** stuarta thwaps voltagex with the cluestick **

[12:17:28]

juski:

remember to back up the database

[12:17:31]

juski:

remember to back up the database

[12:17:32]

juski:

remember to back up the database

[12:17:35]

juski:

NOW

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voltagex:

already done, twice.

[12:17:45]

stuarta:

there is hope

[12:18:03]

juski:

and feel free to blame whoever you like – I just won't care. I don't get paid enough to give a damn

[12:19:27]

voltagex:

I don't get paid.

[12:20:26]

voltagex:

woo, processor hits 34 deg C under load.

[12:25:03]

voltagex:

so, is there any point to me installing SVN, other than I like pain? (useful for bugreports?)

[12:25:18]

anykey_:

voltagex: features ;)

[12:25:37]

juski:

only really storage groups & mythweb's streaming are new features of note though

[12:25:37]

voltagex:

anykey_: yes, I wish I was a decent programmer so I could add some.

[12:25:58]

stuarta:

stability

[12:26:17]

juski:

bug fixes, storage groups & web streaming

[12:26:20]

voltagex:

stuarta: yes, less or more?

[12:26:23]

juski:

oh and a clock

[12:26:34]

stuarta:

much more stable, many many many bugfixes

[12:26:57]

stuarta:

think there's only 1 memory leak left in the backend

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voltagex:

oh ffs, now it can't finf libmythtv-0.20.so.0

[12:27:12]

voltagex:

find*

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juski:

voltagex: when I compile on umbongo I run ./configure with --prefix=/usr

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juski:

I don't want no shite in /usr/local

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stuarta:

i'd rebuild everything after removing all the packages.

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stuarta:

i like my /usr/local

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voltagex:

juski: I just modified ldconfig and it worked.

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voltagex:

sorry, /etc/ld.so.conf

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stuarta:

ah, you had to add /usr/local/lib

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stuarta:

and run ldconfig?

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voltagex:

yep

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voltagex:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . tial_Gotchas

[12:30:51]

stuarta:

that old chestnut

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voltagex:

hmm, where's mythtv-setup looking for its password?

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juski:

ERANDOMSTUPIDPASSWORDTHANKSUBUNUT

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voltagex:

thar we go

[12:33:32]

juski:

look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to find out what the mysql password is

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voltagex:

look at my database get blown away by the upgrade!

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voltagex:

juski: yeah, I did

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juski:

upgraded, not blown away

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voltagex:

woo, a clock!

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juski:

awesome :-\

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voltagex:

thanks jusky, you're my(sql) hero! /sarcasm

[12:34:48]

voltagex:

s/jusky/juski

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juski:

I find it hard to believe that I've become even more grumpy since coming back from LRL

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voltagex:

are you gonna believe that I have TV going already?

[12:37:02]

juski:

LIAR!

[12:37:08]

voltagex:

how can I prove it?

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juski:

it's taken you less than one calendar month, so by definition must be a lie!

[12:38:01]

voltagex:

note that I don't have any text in the main menu, but at least TV still works!

[12:38:48]

juski:

was very annoying to meet folks at LRL who'd got the impression with mythtv 0.12 that it was a bitch to install/make work – so would it be worth trying it again? Hmmmm

[12:39:23]

juski:

no text in main menus.. try installing the font(s) used by the theme

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voltagex:

well it is a bitch to install the first time around.

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voltagex:

errmm, which fonts does GANT use?

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juski:

who cares?

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juski:

Arial I think

[12:41:08]

juski:

yeah it's Arial

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juski:

gah! XBMC's linux port is retarded. they've hard-set the make files to need gcc4.1 for no apparent reason

[12:41:59]

voltagex:

I thought Arial was installed...

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voltagex:

any hints on where to grab the font? I've never had to install a font on a linux distro before

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juski:

msttcorefonts

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juski:

pseudo apt-git installify msttcorefonts

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voltagex:

msttcorefonts is already installed.

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voltagex:

anywho, I'm off to bed, that's a minor issue to be fixed in the morning

[12:53:18]

juski:

bit of a global replace of 4.1 to 4.0 & let's see...

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stuarta:

sed 's/-4.1/-4.0/'

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stuarta:

sed 's/-4\.1/-4\.0/'

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stuarta:

or cd /usr/bin; ln -s gcc-4.0 gcc-4.1

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stuarta:

cheating

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juski:

better to fix the config files

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janneg:

how insane can anyone be to break make CC=my_super_compiler

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juski:

why even hard code it? compiling with 4.0.3 seems to be going ok

[13:05:53]

juski:

I'll not be surprised if this code crashes or something – then I'll know I should get 4.1

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juski:

but since there's apparently no gcc4.1 for this distro I'll try this way 1st :)

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juski:

bollocks. VideoRenderers failed to build

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Dagmar:

C++ tends to change in sinister and dark ways between minor revisions of GCC is why

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juski:

hmmm. no 4.1 package for dapper :(

[13:15:23]

Dagmar:

Oh that's annoying

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stuarta:

upgrade to feisty!

[13:15:38]

Dagmar:

You know Fisty actually turned on stack protection in the compiler by default?

[13:15:46]

Dagmar:

I'm impressed.

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juski:

fisty? not on this box

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Dagmar:

Here I am just finding out tonight that it's now a part of gcc with 4.1.2 so I don't have to dork with the pro-police patches and vetting a new compiler anymore

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Dagmar:

You're going to wait for Gassy?

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stuarta:

aka flatulence

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juski:

gutsy gobbler?

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juski:

what I mean is I ain't upgrading just so I can try xbmc out

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Dagmar:

Gusty Gibbon, i.e., Gassy

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Dagmar:

er GUTSY gibbon

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juski:

looks like I'd have to compile gcc4.1 or just not bother. hmmm

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fryfrog:

feisty ftw!

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juski:

sod that

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Dagmar:

Oh you're going to have FUN with that

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juski:

why trash a perfectly worky distro ?

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juski:

fuckit – no point going to all the hassle just for xbmc

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fryfrog:

get an xbox :)

[13:20:47]

juski:

got an xbox

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fryfrog:

so why bother with xbmc + linux?

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juski:

the whole point was to have a look at the linux port

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fryfrog:

ah

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juski:

experimentation

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Dagmar:

Pfft that little girl on CNN was not on E

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Dagmar:

She'd have a big dopey grin on her face if she was

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fryfrog:

and she'd be touching everyone

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fryfrog:

or dancing with glow sticks

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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fryfrog:

or saying "i love you man!"

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Dagmar:

She's got this look on her face like she's just humoring her older sisters until she figures out why the heck they keep pinching her cheeks

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Dagmar:

This sillyness of saying she's on E becuase her sisters in the videotape joked about it makes about as much sense as saying "He's speaking in falsetto! He must be drunk!"

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siXy:

well would you speak in falsetto when sober? ;)

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Dagmar:

Possibly.

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juski:

if you're James C***, maybe you would

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Dagmar:

...or mocking a Monty Python skit, or making fun of some hatter from Harry Potter

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Dagmar:

Now if I sounded like I were set to 75% playback speed, *then* I'd be really drunk

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Trentster:

Hey all, I have a strange problem, randomly mythfronend freezes and whatever I am watching on the screen freezes, if i look at ntop it says mythfrontend is using 98% cpu "this is a core 2 high end system" ctrl alt backspace and mythfronend restarts and all is well for an hour or two then it happens again...any ideas?

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armbar:

hello

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Trentster:

any ideas?

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armbar:

When I run mythfill I get this

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armbar:

2007-07–11 08:44:03.142 Did not find any new program data.

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armbar:

It did not start untill the this Monday.

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armbar:

and mythweb says There's guide data until 2007-07–14 21:47 (3 days). WARNING: is mythfilldatabase running?

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stuarta:

Trentster: you overclocking ?

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Trentster:

stuarta, nope

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Dagmar:

armbar: Just run mythfilldatabase manually and maybe it'll work this time

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Dagmar:

armbar: THey've been having some issues for the last week.

[13:55:42]

Dagmar:

No we don't have any idea when it will be fixed.

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Dagmar:

I would have said to just ignore it for now if you had more than three days of guide data

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armbar:

Dagmar: I am running mythfill manaually since it is not working. I am getting the same results.

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armbar:

so if it is still broke then I can wait

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Dagmar:

THen there's nothing else to be done.

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armbar:

ok

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juski:

DD/zap2it? they got fixed the other day I thought..

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armbar:

!paste

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Dagmar:

Seems to be working right now, actually

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armbar:

here is a snipit from my mythfill manual run. http://pastebin.com/d673d48db

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armbar:

brb

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Dagmar:

That says you have at least 12 days of data

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Dagmar:

"2007-07–11 08:44:03.143 Data refresh needed because no data exists for day @ offset 13 from 8PM – midnight."

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armbar:

mythweb only shows data till the 14th

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Dagmar:

Did you lose power recently or something?

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armbar:

yes

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Dagmar:

Okay so your database has become corrupted.

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Dagmar:

Buy a $30 UPS already

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armbar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

...but in the meantime, run optimize_mythdb.pl

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Dagmar:

It should sort out the damage to the database, then run `mythfilldatabase --refresh-all`

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armbar:

Thanks Dagmar, I will give that a try.

[14:08:09]

Dagmar:

Bad things happen when the power goes away and the database gets crashed

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Dagmar:

Typically, once a table gets broken, MySQLd will refuse to write to it anymore until it's fixed.

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armbar:

Dagmar: could it be that my dd subscription was expired?

[14:15:34]

Dagmar:

Could be

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armbar:

I just extended it

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Dagmar:

Did you forget to login to labs.zap2it.com and click "Renew"?

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armbar:

let me try agian

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fryfrog:

speaking of dd, any news on the imposion of the world in sept?

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juski:

NO

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juski:

jesus H...

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Dagmar:

WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE

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juski:

Dagmar: correction.. everybody who relies on DD/zap2it are gonna die on 9/1

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fryfrog:

before I go, I'm going to take out as many of you commie, hippie bastards as i can!

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Dagmar:

I really doubt it

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Dagmar:

Like I've said before, there's easy money to be had here, and companies generally don't walk away from easy money.

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Dagmar:

When they started this up, there wasn't really anyhting compelling enough for anyone to give a damn about whether or not they had zap2it

[14:20:09]

Dagmar:

Now we've all got Mythtv and we're spoiled as hell

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Dagmar:

Tell me I need to pay $15/year for programming data and my credit card will make a whistling sound as it comes out

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fryfrog:

ahhah

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fryfrog:

mine too :)

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Dagmar:

...and a little "twang-g-g-g-g" noise as it comes to a halt in the ready position

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fryfrog:

but if they go for like $5/mo, i'll probably just ditch myth and use both of my crappy communistcast dvrs :(

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dr_willis:

I just tend to record Sci-Fi channel in a 24 hr block.. then watch it the next day.....

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dr_willis:

:()

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Dagmar:

$5/month would be really high

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Dagmar:

heh

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dr_willis:

but i havent even been doing that lately.

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dr_willis:

$5 is a bit high for info thats allready out there on the web.

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dr_willis:

But ya know how companies live to Nickle an Dime You to death.

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juski:

fryfrog: and if you do go back to your cumcaste DVRs none of us will care :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh if you know the cost of the data to buy it, $5 is not high. Depending on how many users you have of course. But it's on the very upper range of what I'd pay that's for sure

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GreyFoxx:

With enough people then you can lower it a lot

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Dagmar:

drwillis: $5/month would be a sign someone was stupid and used a greedy credit card transaction clearing house

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Dagmar:

PayPal can really hook this sort of thing up easily for cheaper

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dr_willis:

Google needs to buy out Zap2IT. :)

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fryfrog:

i concur!

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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dr_willis:

give it time.

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dr_willis:

GooMythTV

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dr_willis:

with YouTubeChannels!

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Dagmar:

Joost would probably have their CEO jump out a window if Google went into the TV market

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dr_willis:

Havent tried Joost yet...

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dr_willis:

it dont work under linux right?

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Dagmar:

...and Viacom would probably up their lawsuit to "Seven Hundred Bajillion Dollars"

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Dagmar:

Nope. Won't work under Linux

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fryfrog:

or google stock :)

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dr_willis:

2 steps forwared 3 back.....

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armbar:

mythfilldatabas[32227]: segfault at 00000000007ec020 rip 00000000007ec020 rsp 00000000407ff6d8 error 15

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dr_willis:

Been getting videos/oldmovies from http://stage6.divx.com lately. :)

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armbar:

:/

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dr_willis:

Old-Skool B/W B Sci fi Movies. :0

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dr_willis:

'attack of the vampire aliens' and so foth. :)

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armbar:

well I was able to get my guide data updated. :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

hello

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armbar:

hi TSCHAKWerk

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Dagmar:

Not for people who are overly protective of their iPhone: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/10/will-it-bl . . . ne-smoothie/

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dr_willis:

Hmm.. Looking at this Stage6 sit. and all these video 'tags' and i got no CLue what most of the 'tags' mean. :)

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dr_willis:

Tag – hidebu -> That Dirty or nice ? or what.. heh heh dare i click on it...

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Dagmar:

I'm just gonna look at it at home

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** dr_willis is sure the wife is not around. **

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tonyb2007:

Hi, I have an em28xx card (WinTV USB 2 not PVR) and it's hooked up to a DirecTV box so it needs to tune to channel 3 (the svideo input doesn't work on anything, but thats for another day) – and starting Mythbackend it errors: Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel. (newline) TVRec(1) Error: Setting start channel '3' failed, and backup '3' failed as well.

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fryfrog:

you might need to fill in the "pre-tune" to channel in myhthtvsetup?

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tonyb2007:

I think I did that

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tonyb2007:

hold on

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fryfrog:

oh :/

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tonyb2007:

Preset Tuner under the Input Configuration?

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fryfrog:

yeah, that is what i was talking about

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fryfrog:

i've never used it though :/

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tonyb2007:

:|

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geemark:

I have a metadata problem – I have run mythtranscode on a recording, and it worked fine. however, I have cut too much off the file, and therefore replaced the file with the original – however, mythtv will only play the first 2 minutes (lenght of the transcoded file) – where in the DB do I change this?

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fryfrog:

geemark: maybe if you re-run mythcommflagging on it?

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geemark:

fryfrog, testing...

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geemark:

fryfrog, no luck

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godsyn:

anyone here?

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godsyn:

anyone else getting 401 (and no 200) from zap2it?

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geemark:

I have been in the "recorded" tabled, and corrected the filesize field.... but I cannot find any "length" field or similar

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godsyn:

http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService

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godsyn:

anyone able to get anyhting other than 401?

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geemark:

godsyn, prompts me with 401 too, asking for login

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godsyn:

do you use zap2it?

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geemark:

no, I don't even know what it is – just tried your link

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geemark:

fryfrog, no other suggestions please?

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Dagmar:

Then you're not going to be able to use that URL, period.

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Dagmar:

Read the freaking Myth documentation

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Dagmar:

This should not even be an issue for people who are following the installation guide

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godsyn:

>.<

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godsyn:

it was what was default in my repo get/make sorry...

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godsyn:

URL to guide?

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godsyn:

"Read the freaking Myth documentation" url?

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Dagmar:

o.O

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anykey_:

godsyn: mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

Click on the word "Documentation"

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Dagmar:

noobuntu users...

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godsyn:

ty

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godsyn:

would you rather me go back to MS? at least I have will to learn..

[15:46:03]

godsyn:

ans thanks for the URl.

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anykey_:

godsyn: go if you want to

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godsyn:

*url

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anykey_:

godsyn: nobody makes you use linux

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Dagmar:

We're really not all that bothered by people struggling with Microsoft.

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Dagmar:

They're a different support channel.

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Dagmar:

So, um, futile threat, that.

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geemark:

can anyone tell me what the "mythconverg.recordedseek" table does?

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godsyn:

not a threat, a question.

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Dagmar:

There's also wiki.mythtv.org which is where information goes after it's been asked about a million times in here.

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Dagmar:

geemark: Astonishingly, I actually know that because I've broken mine before. Normally I ignore the internals of the database.

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Dagmar:

That's the table where all the cutpoints from commercial flagging jobs go.

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godsyn:

Aye, found the wiki 1st, and found info as to where they are pulling service (zap2). I appreciate your assistance, and apologize for being a myth noob.

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Dagmar:

No recordedseek table == no commflagging magic skippingness

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Dagmar:

godsyn: MythTV is one of those things that kind of requires one to follow along the documentation the first time

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Dagmar:

It's not particularly _hard_, but it's not self-configuring either

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geemark:

Dagmar, i see, thanks – I am still trying to find out where MythTV stores the length of a recording – apparently it does not look that up in the actual file

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Dagmar:

Nope, that's something that would break on certain media formats where you basically need to seek through the entire file to find out how long it is

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Dagmar:

People would yelp about that

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Dagmar:

Seeking say, 20–30 3Gb files would take a "while"

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geemark:

Dagmar, good point, but do you know where it is stored? I have been looking in the database for half an hour i think...

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godsyn:

Dagmar: noticed :) i'm running now. thanks again.

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godsyn:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK (yay)

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Mr_Grieves:

I'm looking for an opinion...What would be the best method to network a drive to be accessible across a LAN for mythvideo?

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anykey_:

Mr_Grieves: nfs

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Mr_Grieves:

that's what I was thinking. I've never used it before, though and wanted to make sure :)

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tonyb2007:

I have a DirecTV box, and it doesn't seem to tune to the channel right, I can see the image but its quite messed up (black and white, barely visible, covered in static, and sliding constantaly)

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tonyb2007:

(The s-video input in my card doesn't work)

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TSCHAKWerk:

tonyb2007: your tuner is set to PAL, change it to NTSC.

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tonyb2007:

:o

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tonyb2007:

Bah

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tonyb2007:

All the sold ones of my model are under $50 :|

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tonyb2007:

Wait..I have the box

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tonyb2007:

But I bought it a while ago..

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tonyb2007:

Can anyone tell me how I might just be able to make this one work?

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GodSyn_:

1 more thing (checked forums / wiki / docs/ google, my wording must be off) how do I modify the channel information overlay (when displays when changing channels in the front end)?

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GodSyn_:

*what displays

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GodSyn_:

OSD! (researching)

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juski:

the OSD theme... change it by going into utils/setup > setup > tv > playback

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juski:

if you want to modify it to change what it looks like, that's something else entirely

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GodSyn_:

*nod* thank you

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Linuturk:

I have a few questions about a potential myth setup I'm pondering

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Linuturk:

If I see the potential for up to 4 live tv feeds, do I need 4 tv tuner cards?

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Linuturk:

and, how well will a frontend work on a laptop over wireless g

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Linuturk:

?

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Dagmar:

Fine provided you don't have a lot of microwave ovens about

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Dagmar:

You will need four tuner cards for what you're talking about.

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Dagmar:

If thiis is digital TV, forget it. That much data would strangle the machine I suspect.

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Dagmar:

If it's regular broadcast or cable in the US, two PVR-500's will do nicely

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laga:

um

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laga:

why can't he run four DVB cards in his machine?

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Linuturk:

cable via comcast in the usa

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laga:

digital cable != HDTV ;)

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Linuturk:

I don't have the TV's for HD

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Linuturk:

lol

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Dagmar:

laga: yeah but it could be

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laga:

true enough

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Dagmar:

Four streams of 1080 from HBOHD would get ugly

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laga:

even then it shouldn't be that much data

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Linuturk:

well, why pay for digital when I can get the digital experience on analog?

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Dagmar:

I'm not going to tell someone "Yeah four streams will be fine as long as all four are on QVC and the Home Shopping Network"

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Linuturk:

or is the signal actually better with digital? I figured that was just them marketing their dvr

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Dagmar:

Digital is a different animal

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laga:

heh

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Dagmar:

Signal quality doesn't come into it.

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Dagmar:

Either you ahve enough signal for the thing to make sense of the digital stream, or you've got no picture.

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Linuturk:

not HD, but SD digital vs SD analog

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Linuturk:

so, spliting digital 4 ways before hitting the server can get hairy?

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Dagmar:

Yes,, but this is where the PVR-500's are a little bit handy, in that they at least only have one input each, which is split internally.

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Linuturk:

ah, I see

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Dagmar:

Four tuners going will probably mean you'll want to buy a signal amp tho

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Dagmar:

They're like $25

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Linuturk:

well, I've got cable internet too, so I'm seeing a 1/2 drop in the signal from the road before splitting off into the server. Where is the best place to put the amp? after the first split?

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Linuturk:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . ;Tpk=PVR-500 << and that's the tuner you are talking about?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

Put the amp between you and the cable company

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Dagmar:

*Before* any splits actually if you can

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Linuturk:

ah, good to know

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Linuturk:

any specific amp recommendation?

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Linuturk:

or, radioshack it?

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Dagmar:

Enh anything at Best Buy probably

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Linuturk:

so, I'm seeing this so far Comcast >> amp >> splitter >> modem | server >> Linksys router >> out via ethernet to tv's | out to less used laptops via wireless

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Linuturk:

that look right?

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jams:

depending on the strength of your signal you might want to switch the amp and splitter

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jams:

to much amp whill cause trouble with the cable modem

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Linuturk:

trial and error type thing?

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jams:

yeah

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jams:

also come amps are not made to work with a cable modem

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Linuturk:

and, apparently there is a problem with the pvr-500 if it has a samsung tuner instead of the better phillips tuner

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Linuturk:

any way to make sure I get the phillips?

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jams:

i think the latest ivtv driver has cleared up the samsung tuner problems.

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jams:

don't know of any way to make sure it's phillips other then buying from ebay and asking the seller to check

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Linuturk:

k

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Linuturk:

now, I'm guessing all my setup is missing so far is a remote. That's going to depend on the front ends though, right?

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Altair256__:

hrm, that's interesting

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Linuturk:

it's a ghost Altair256__

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jams:

Linuturk- sorta. Each frontend will have it's own remote but you could buy the same remote/receiver for all the frontends.

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Linuturk:

I'm looking into a mac mini as the front end. can the remote that comes with the mac mini be used with myth jams ?

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Slyboots:

Hey

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Slyboots:

Just a quick question, Got a auction on ebay Im watching (TV card and remote) and they are throwing in a MCE remote control and reciever

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Slyboots:

I think its.. a Version 1 remote? I checked the Wiki and it says that the IR receiver is supported, but IR transmitter is not

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Slyboots:

By IR Transmitter it means.. the remote itself?

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Massif:

maybe the receiver communicates back to the remote

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Massif:

and that portion is not supported

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Massif:

just a guess

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fryfrog:

or maybe the IR transmitter is used to control cable/sat boxes

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Massif:

yeah that too

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fryfrog:

(and is part of the "reciever" and isn't usable/used)

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Slyboots:

Hmm

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Slyboots:

Im just wondering if its worth paying a little extra for it, or holding off for something cheaper

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Slyboots:

Only a Nova-T card, not exactly "rare"

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serenity:

hi

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serenity:

i am looking for a dvb-s card with hw mpeg2 encoding...ist there any for little money and known to work with mythtv?

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jafa2:

just noticed that my zap2it OTA lineup has disappeared. The zap2it website gives a not-found error when attempting to add the lineup back. (my apologies in advance if this is known and has been beaten to death)

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jafa2:

My cable lineup was still there – I was able to delete it and add back the cable lineup

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jafa2:

attempting to add my OTA lineup results in a not found message – "The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated..."

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Slyboots:

jafa2: Zap2it are gone

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Slyboots:

Discontinued the service because people were abusing it

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jafa2:

interesting... the zap2it website says they will discontinue effective September 1st

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jafa2:

and the cable lineup still works ok

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Linuturk:

any ideas on the mac mini remote and using it with a linux install of a myth frontend?

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jams:

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jams:

Linuturk- cvs versions of lirc support the apple remote for the macmini

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jams:

Linuturk- assuming your using linux on your macmini.

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subx:

will there be another release of mythtv this year? maybe .21 ?

[18:28:22]

subx:

or is there a lot of bug fixes to do?

[18:30:16]

laga:

lots of open tickets and feature people want to implement

[18:30:42]

subx:

i never check svns so im unsure

[18:30:58]

xris:

subx: will probably be a .21 this year

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xris:

people are more concerned about the zap2it thing at the moment

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subx:

im unsure what zap2it is

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fryfrog:

data listings for teh USA folks

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laga:

i wonder if i should post a digg story. "how zap2it makes mythtv users wait"

[18:34:49]

subx:

shall i create a TV information data server what contains listings for every single satellite, national, cable showing in the world

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fryfrog:

yes plz :)

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kormoc:

subx, sure, and let us know how much you spend on legal fees

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subx:

o_0

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subx:

there will be no legal fees, the server will be hosted in russia :D

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Massif|away:

alloftvlistings.com

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Massif|away:

:P

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subx:

www.allyaf******tvinfo.net

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tafkaz:

hi there, i need to know the correct freq and symbol rate to perform a fullscan on hotbird

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tafkaz:

please

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tafkaz:

i just cannot find anything on that...astra worked fine

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tafkaz:

so if anyone has an idea, i would be a happy man

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tafkaz:

if he shared it with me

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Linuturk:

so if I wait a bit jams, it the mac mini remote would work out of the box on linux?

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janneg:

tafkaz: http://www1.digitalfernsehen.de/frequenzen/hotbird13.html

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tafkaz:

thanx

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fsckr:

this is killing me guys...yesterday i had mythtv running fine with no problems. I decided today to do a fresh install of fiesty and for the life of me I cannot get mythtv to work. and the ivtv website says forbidden for me

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fsckr:

i remember yesterday that there were a couple of things i needed to install for fiesty but i think they were on the site I can't go to.

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laga:

fsckr: are you looking for the ivtv-utils or ivtv-source packageß

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laga:

although feisty already comes with the ivtv driver installed.

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Cry_wolf2:

Is there anyway for mythtv to control the volyme when using spdif ? Would be really nice to get that working

[19:00:34]

laga:

Cry_wolf2: ac3 passthrough?

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janneg:

Cry_wolf2: no

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Cry_wolf2:

laga: both ?

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laga:

well, as janneg said, it's not possible :)

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Cry_wolf2:

oki

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fsckr:

laga: no im not i have those fiesty has them. I did d/l the utils

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laga:

fsckr: it's spelled "feisty"

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fsckr:

when i run mythtv i just get a black screen

[19:05:07]

fsckr:

laga typo :P

[19:05:12]

laga:

fsckr: not a spelling flame, i was just confused.

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fsckr:

hehe

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fsckr:

< type to fast

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Cry_wolf2:

Another thing is that sometimes the sound just starts going nuts, alot of noise and distorted sound

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fsckr:

i got it working :)

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fsckr:

just tried again

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fsckr:

hehe

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fsckr:

yay works now

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fsckr:

ok now i can go in the pool its friggin hot

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Cry_wolf2:

lucky you

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fsckr:

:P

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fsckr:

cya bon voyage

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Slyboots:

Damn, my Mythbox is caught in a loop

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Slyboots:

Keeps opening the same recording over and over and over..

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Massif:

shutdown mythfrontend?

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pyron84:

hello guys

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pyron84:

does anyone know enough about lirc to help me with my remote problem?

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xris:

someone must.

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pyron84:

this people go to front :-D

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Altair256-work:

that's one of the things I'm going to work on next... lol

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xris:

pyron84: you didn't ask if anyone HERE knows, though...

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pyron84:

hehe

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pyron84:

ah ok

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pyron84:

so are you knowing something about this xris

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pyron84:

or anyone else in this channel ?

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xris:

pyron84: not much, sorry. btw, have you asked in #mythtv-de?

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pyron84:

oh no good idea, i thought that here are more people who could know that

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pyron84:

thanks for that tip

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xris:

#lirc-dev might also be good

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xris:

or whatever the lirc channel is called

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pyron84:

i will look for that thx

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Mr_Grieves:

mythweb isn't streaming mythvideo content due to authentication issues. If I add user:passwd@<link>, it works. Is there a way around this without disabling authentication?

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xris:

Mr_Grieves: wait for .21, or run svn? there are config workarounds for that.

[20:06:21]

xris:

grumble.. looks like the chassis I was looking at for my new mythbox is gone from newegg

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Mr_Grieves:

looks like I'm waiting then :)

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xris:

Mr_Grieves: you could read the docs from svn. I just don't remember what all changed as far as directory names.

[20:08:00]

Mr_Grieves:

ok, thanks :)

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Altair256-work:

what case is that, xris?

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Altair256-work:

I was looking at the various Asus Pundit systems myself right now

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xris:

nmediapc 280ba, I think

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Altair256-work:

what kind of motherboard are you looking at?

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xris:

microatx

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Altair256-work:

yes, I gathered that much..

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Altair256-work:

lol, I meant what specific brand/model of motherboard :)

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xris:

it'll be whatever one is available through the intel demo-purchase store when I buy my proc (after the price drop)

[20:11:23]

xris:

about 50% less than retail

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Altair256-work:

nice

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Altair256-work:

does anyone happen to know much about the nVidia Crush 51PV onboard chipset?

[20:12:29]

Altair256-work:

specifically... on the http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu= . . . 408&l4=0 (Asus Pundit P1-AH1)

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Altair256-work:

I guess the advantage of going with something like an nMediaPC case and putting your own motherboard in is slightly more choice

[20:13:25]

Altair256-work:

but those nMediaPC cases look huge

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xris:

some of them are

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xris:

I'd miss my little pundit, but it'd be nice to get something I can put more than one drive into

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Altair256-work:

more drivers means more noise though

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xris:

and even cube machines like http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16811144162 are pretty big

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Altair256-work:

at that point why not just make a backend with lots of drives?

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xris:

not too concerned about noise. fans make more noise than drives

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coopster:

I had an install of mythTV, and I ended up having to reformat the system partition, leaving me with a directory full of *.nuv and *.png files. Is there any way to restore these as recorded episodes in a new MythTV install?

[20:15:06]

Altair256-work:

I've always thought those cubes are cute, but I don't want one in my media center

[20:15:09]

xris:

Altair256-work: trying to keep my file server and mythbox separate.

[20:15:44]

coopster:

Altair256-work, I got an Antec Aria, I love that thing

[20:16:30]

Altair256-work:

looks cute.. but just doesn't feel right sitting next to an Xbox or PS2, etc

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pyron84:

i will look for that thx

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xris:

Altair256-work: I don't have anything like that... well, might eventually get a wii.

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coopster:

true, this is my desktop machine, i'd go for a longer smaller case for a media box

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Altair256-work:

exactly my point

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xris:

the htpc-shaped cases will match my receiver better

[20:18:32]

Altair256-work:

I like the cube style, just not for media boxes

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coopster:

:-/ i'm thinking all my program data is just lost forever, right? there's no way to go from a handful of pngs and nuvs to a MySQL database of summaries and all that, is there?

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xris:

short cases mean using risers, and risers usually mean compatibility problems

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Altair256-work:

I have an original pundit, and other than the onboard video sucking, I like it

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xris:

coopster: not unless you have the summaries somewhere else

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Altair256-work:

o.O

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Altair256-work:

I haven't had problems out of riser cards in small cases since...

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Altair256-work:

well.. since Packard Bell days

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Altair256-work:

lmao

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coopster:

xris, is there any sort of importing thing where I could pick the episode out and myth will automagically get the stuff like it originally did?

[20:19:34]

Altair256-work:

and I don't know if I can honestly say the "riser" was the problem... lol

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xris:

coopster: myth.rebuilddb.pl or something like that.

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xris:

Altair256-work: I work in the server industry. risers are one of the main sources of trouble.

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Altair256-work:

I work in the server industry as well, but we are strictly a Dell shop

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stuarta:

bored, so installing feisty on test machine.

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Altair256-work:

our 1U servers have risers and I have not once had an issue

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stuarta:

Altair256-work: poor you, prefer HP kit myself...

[20:21:24]

Altair256-work:

more likely to have a PCI/PCI-X/PCI66 compatibily problems

[20:21:30]

xris:

Altair256-work: you must not be doing much weird stuff, then. pity you guys use dell... heh.

[20:21:38]

Altair256-work:

lol, I like my all Dell/Cisco/Microsoft shop

[20:21:41]

Altair256-work:

keeps things boring

[20:21:57]

Altair256-work:

180 servers or so

[20:22:00]

Altair256-work:

no blades yet

[20:22:05]

xris:

ah. small shop. heh.

[20:22:20]

Altair256-work:

but as we look at more virtualization, we are considering some blades

[20:22:28]

Altair256-work:

yes, only about 500 employees

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t0ny2:

Crap, When I do a lossless transcode it cuts the video in half if its more then 40mins

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xris:

Altair256-work: well, I think we build more than that daily.. some of our customers are dunning data centers with thousands of machines.

[20:23:07]

Altair256-work:

I used to work for a consulting firm as well, but we were all Dell/Nortel/Microsoft

[20:23:10]

xris:

t0ny2: sounds like something's wrong.

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Altair256-work:

that's awesome xris :)

[20:23:34]

Altair256-work:

so you're a system builder/reseller?

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tonyb2007:

Hmm.. What's a good USB capture card with an IR blaster for use with mythtv?

[20:23:54]

xris:

Altair256-work: there's a new blade platform coming out soon... not sure how much info is public, so I won't say who (and I don't really know when), but it should be within a couple of weeks.

[20:23:57]

xris:

Altair256-work: siliconmechanics.com

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xris:

tonyb2007: only usb stuff I can recommend is the hauppauge stuff. check the linuxtv wiki for compatibility lists

[20:25:41]

xris:

I don't know if they have blasters, though

[20:26:02]

Altair256-work:

you could always add a cheap serial IR Blaster anyways

[20:26:04]

tonyb2007:

I have a WinTV USB2 (NOT PVR) and I don't like it, I hear the PVR-USB2 is better

[20:26:17]

Altair256-work:

what do you not like about it?

[20:26:48]

Altair256-work:

ah...

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** Altair256-work just realized that xris is pronounced Chris, not x-ris **

[20:31:25]

Altair256-work:

tonyb2007, what's wrong with the WinTV USB2?

[20:32:05]

tonyb2007:

For one, I have to start Tvtime before I start MythTV to get it to tune to my channel

[20:32:10]

tonyb2007:

Two, the svideo in doesn't work

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stuarta:

tonyb2007: are you running a kernel less than the absolute latest?

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stuarta:

which is 2.6.22 i believe

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tonyb2007:

I'm running the absolute latest driver for the card, compiled it off of the experimental tree

[20:33:19]

stuarta:

might be worth asking over in #linuxtv about the svideo

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t0ny2:

xris, its done this with two movies so far. :/

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cesman:

you may wany to try #pvrusb2

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Cry_wolf2:

Sometimes my soundcard seems to go crazy and produce alot of static and noise to the speakers when watching live tv. Anyone else that have had that problem ?

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fdsd:

hey guys, what is happening to zap2it?

[21:00:19]

kormoc:

fdsd, wiki, users mailing list

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fdsd:

kormoc, what?

[21:01:10]

fdsd:

kormoc, how does that help me?

[21:03:28]

Altair256-work:

fdsd, he said go check the wiki

[21:03:32]

Altair256-work:

go read the mailing list

[21:03:37]

Altair256-work:

it helps you AND it helps everyone else

[21:03:47]

Altair256-work:

i.e.; we don't answer the same question 500 times

[21:04:07]

Altair256-work:

if you would like to be more specific...

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Altair256-work:

and you have already read the wiki and or mailing list, then I'm sure everyone here would love to hear about your question/concern

[21:04:45]

jams:

probably not

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Altair256-work:

everyone – jams

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Altair256-work:

alright. I probably lied. Very few (if anyone) will LOVE to hear about it, but they'll probably listen either way

[21:06:38]

Altair256-work:

as of last night, I still can't get Data Direct to load either. Assuming that is what you were talking about

[21:07:07]

Altair256-work:

if you are talking about the 9/1 shutdown of zap2it.. well.. that's old news and the wiki has everything you need

[21:08:00]

jams:

heh

[21:08:21]

Altair256-work:

btw, jams, I got my PVR150

[21:08:33]

Altair256-work:

I still have to try that little thing you suggested

[21:08:57]

jams:

eh no rush

[21:09:22]

jams:

i suggest you kick the pundant to the curb

[21:09:28]

Altair256-work:

I think I'm going to go ahead and get an FX5200 or 5500

[21:09:33]

Altair256-work:

bah.. I love my Pundit

[21:09:34]

jams:

it can be trciky

[21:09:44]

Altair256-work:

I got the PVR150 working perfectlly

[21:09:48]

Altair256-work:

albeit.. a VERY tight fit

[21:09:54]

jams:

well if your going to put in a real video card.

[21:10:09]

Altair256-work:

the Sis651 is a piece of junk

[21:10:21]

jams:

yep

[21:10:26]

Altair256-work:

if I had one of the newer Pundits it wouldn't be so bad

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Altair256-work:

looks like I can builda full AMD based one for about 355 including a 160GB SATA drive

[21:10:52]

Altair256-work:

$355 that is

[21:11:04]

jams:

thats a nice price

[21:11:06]

Altair256-work:

all Newegg prices including shipping, of course

[21:11:40]

Altair256-work:

assuming the Pundit P1-AH2 can take a Sempron

[21:11:52]

Altair256-work:

if it requires at least an Athlon64, then bump that up about $20 more

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Altair256-work:

assuming TMS figures something out for continuation of the xml feed..

[21:16:29]

Altair256-work:

I think I could turn around and sell those for $550 easy to local people

[21:16:39]

Altair256-work:

preconfigured with all the channel lineups, etc

[21:16:49]

Altair256-work:

that price is including a PVR150

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juski:

that sort of schidt was what got TMS pissed in the first place. work your own deal out with them & leave mythtv users out of it

[21:21:59]

Altair256-work:

they would each still have to have their own Zap2it account

[21:22:10]

Altair256-work:

as long as that is done, there is no breach of TMS contract

[21:22:20]

Altair256-work:

I'm not "selling" the guide data

[21:22:30]

juski:

that wasn't the issue before IIRC

[21:22:49]

Altair256-work:

they would be bound just like any other MythTV user (or any Zap2it labs users for that matter)

[21:23:22]

Altair256-work:

interesting

[21:23:32]

Altair256-work:

so, following that line of thinking...

[21:23:39]

Altair256-work:

at what point did TMS get upset?

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Altair256-work:

when I put all the hardware together and sell it...

[21:23:53]

Altair256-work:

when I install MythTV on it?

[21:24:01]

Altair256-work:

when I show the user how to setup a Zap2it account?

[21:24:20]

juski:

I think it'd be best for everybody if you ask them how they'd feel about it

[21:24:37]

Altair256-work:

them being who?

[21:24:41]

Altair256-work:

TMS or the end user?

[21:24:41]

laga:

hum. i thought it was OK if the vendor showed people how to set up their own zap2it account

[21:25:03]

juski:

depends how they define 'personal use' doesn't it?

[21:25:36]

juski:

it's a grey area is all I'm saying

[21:25:37]

Slyboots:

Who are TMS?

[21:25:43]

Altair256-work:

is MythTV pure GNU?

[21:25:58]

Altair256-work:

or does it have a mixed license?

[21:26:10]

juski:

GPL 2.0 AFAIK

[21:26:18]

Altair256-work:

if so, I could burn MythTV packages (along with the source) to a CD, and charge for it

[21:26:32]

Altair256-work:

if I attach a sheet of paper with directions on how to sign up for a Zap2it labs account, TMS gets upset? o.O

[21:26:46]

juski:

that isn't clear & hasn't been made clear

[21:26:54]

Altair256-work:

that's assinine

[21:27:17]

juski:

commercial products have been mentioned but not which ones

[21:27:28]

Altair256-work:

because they are giving some data away for free, you believe they think that NO one should be able to make money?

[21:27:32]

juski:

it's up to them where they draw the line

[21:28:21]

Altair256-work:

I was under the impression the said commercial vendors were mass setting up accounts, or setting up single accounts for areas and redistributing the data

[21:28:32]

Altair256-work:

but you are correct there...

[21:28:33]

juski:

I could sell systems preconfigured to use RadioTimes.com's data – the licence for that is strictly 'personal use only' but is it personal use if I sell boxes that use their data, even if the end user is only doing it for themselves at home?

[21:28:48]

Altair256-work:

TMS has been very quiet as to what specifically really upset them

[21:29:22]

Altair256-work:

if the end user is the one that entered into the license agreement directly with TMS, then yes

[21:29:23]

juski:

I wouldn't want to take the risk – neither from the point of view of not wanting to get my ass sued & also from the PoV of pissing off the community who uses it

[21:29:28]

kormoc:

Altair256, you're limited to charging only for the cd media if you are distributing mythtv on it. The GPL limits you to $5 max I believe

[21:30:14]

Altair256-work:

the amount is immaterial

[21:30:19]

juski:

I'm just saying it's gonna be a very good idea to check with TMS before setting out on your venture

[21:30:24]

Altair256-work:

plus I could charge for the "documentation"

[21:30:31]

Altair256-work:

that sheet of paper with instructions on it... lol

[21:30:53]

kormoc:

Altair256, you could, but personally, I'd really dislike you

[21:31:05]

Altair256-work:

very true, kromoc... lol

[21:31:06]

juski:

I personally wouldn't wanna deal with all the support issues you're gonna have.

[21:31:21]

Altair256-work:

the idea was theoretical anyways

[21:31:40]

Altair256-work:

but the conversation it triggered was very enlightening

[21:31:48]

laga:

juski: you already do in here ;)

[21:31:54]

juski:

nobody's in any danger of becoming a millionaire from mythtv for a while yet

[21:32:10]

juski:

laga: you can't really get away with telling paying customers where to put their genitals

[21:32:48]

juski:

unless you're getting paid to do that I mean :-P

[21:33:04]

Altair256-work:

hrm... very different type of support issues o.o

[21:33:12]

laga:

juski: you can... in certain businesses

[21:33:21]

Altair256-work:

btw, juski... I LOVE ProjectGrayhem

[21:33:28]

Altair256-work:

the OSD is very nice too

[21:33:48]

Altair256-work:

and the fact that I can use the wide version later when I switch to a bigger tv is nice

[21:33:48]

juski:

hey I've just found a mediaportal skin that looks very much like something ubuntuedgy (sp?) was playing with.

[21:33:58]

juski:

http://www.youatnotes.de/web/juliusbuss/blog. . . . ?OpenElement

[21:34:27]

Altair256-work:

very shiny

[21:34:30]

Altair256-work:

hurts me eyes!

[21:34:31]

juski:

I can't get away with how crap mythtv is in 4:3

[21:34:31]

** Altair256-work runs away **

[21:34:48]

Altair256-work:

what is it that you don't like, juski?

[21:34:49]

juski:

infact how crap anything is in 4:3 :D

[21:34:57]

Altair256-work:

very true

[21:35:10]

Altair256-work:

I'm not sure how DVDs are still selling in 4:3

[21:35:12]

juski:

I was only saying it looked a lot like something some hanger-on has been playing with

[21:35:15]

Altair256-work:

there should be some law against it

[21:35:22]

juski:

'fullscreen' – BS

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Altair256-work:

fullscreen dvd is an oxymoron

[21:35:57]

Altair256-work:

if you want the "fullscreen" get the widescreen, otherwise you aren't getting the "Full Screen"

[21:36:02]

juski:

true

[21:36:04]

Altair256-work:

you are only getting about 70% of it

[21:36:15]

juski:

so you're saying only morons still have 43 TVs. I concur

[21:36:20]

juski:

4:3 even

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jams:

holy crap that is very close

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Altair256-work:

morons and all those that aren't made of money

[21:36:44]

Altair256-work:

I would be in the latter group

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Altair256-work:

at least.. I hope I am

[21:37:16]

Altair256-work:

rather.. I would define moron as someone who goes out right now and buys a NEW 4:3 TV -_-

[21:37:17]

juski:

jams: ?

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jams:

the screenshot you posted

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Altair256-work:

mm... I wish I had 43 tvs >.>

[21:37:44]

juski:

jams: yeah I thought "aha you theiving ********" too

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Altair256-work:

I'm not sure what I would do with them though

[21:38:25]

juski:

I'm sure folks who still have 4:3 TVs have their reasons, but folks who buy NEW 4:3 displays for TV want a mental exam IMHO

[21:39:05]

jams:

i'm not for sure I could use that theme for very long

[21:39:28]

jams:

ah well, doubt he we finisht the mythtv port any time soon

[21:40:02]

juski:

not without help. I can't see what he says anymore ;)

[21:40:27]

jams:

have not seen him in at least a week

[21:41:06]

juski:

been sitting here going thru my cctv tonight. this woman been stopping by our front gate when we were out, then coming up the path, doing something with her cellphone, coming back up the path then going away. did that 3 times in as many hours tonight

[21:41:07]

jams:

it takes alot for me to /ignore somebody. Only done it a few times in years of irc

[21:41:19]

Altair256-work:

($174) ASUS P1-AH2 – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110057

[21:41:19]

Altair256-work:

($33) AMD Sempron 64 3200+ – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103032

[21:41:19]

Altair256-work:

($80) Hauppage PVR-150 – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116625

[21:41:19]

Altair256-work:

($25) Crucial 256MB DDR2 – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146518

[21:41:19]

Altair256-work:

($58) WD 160GB 7200, 8MB, SATA 3.0Gb/s – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136075

[21:41:28]

Altair256-work:

bah.. posted the links too

[21:41:34]

juski:

eejit

[21:41:36]

Altair256-work:

sorry.

[21:41:50]

juski:

I asked for a kickban for more than 3 lines of paste but was told no

[21:41:53]

Altair256-work:

$370 there ..>

[21:41:54]

jams:

juski- did you still have your bluetooth scanning thing on?

[21:42:16]

juski:

jams: haha no, I forgot to mention it was making the poor backend crawl on saturday

[21:42:25]

juski:

too many kernel messages, poor thing

[21:42:31]

juski:

brokenness

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jams:

well thats no good

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Altair256-work:

is the bluetooth thing for detecting when someone is close by, or for using a specific bluetooth device?

[21:43:35]

jams:

ugh stupid isolinux. it used my isolinux.cfg~ file instead of isolinux.cfg

[21:43:38]

Altair256-work:

a bluetooth remote would be nice

[21:44:54]

jams:

Altair256- the first option you mentioned

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juski:

I was gonna be using it for spamming people at LRL but it produces a whacky amount of kernel log when it's connected

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Altair256-work:

sweet.. what device do you carry around to detect when you get close?

[21:47:48]

Altair256-work:

I imagine you could use anything that bt stack supports syncing with

[21:47:57]

Altair256-work:

doing it with a bt enabled cell phone would be sweet

[21:49:35]

juski:

a desktop PC with a USB BT adapter

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Altair256-work:

lol, I gathered that much, but what device do you carry around with you for it to detect when you get close?

[21:50:15]

Altair256-work:

or does just any old bt device work?

[21:50:25]

juski:

huh?

[21:50:33]

Altair256-work:

hrm, maybe I still don't understand

[21:50:43]

Altair256-work:

I would like, for example...

[21:51:07]

Altair256-work:

when I walk in the room, for it to dim the lights to my taste and start my music playlist

[21:51:12]

juski:

my phone, & the adapter don't have the range for it to detect me in the front garden

[21:51:18]

Altair256-work:

that's not necessarily true, but that's a good example

[21:51:45]

juski:

I like gadgets, but going OTT on HA isn't my bag really

[21:52:10]

Altair256-work:

that's my primary goal

[21:52:31]

Altair256-work:

I haven't tried it yet, but LinuxMCE has the right idea... just a little wet behind the ears

[21:52:53]

Altair256-work:

total home automation, completely OTT

[21:52:58]

juski:

standing on the bottom of the sea, more like IMHO

[21:53:14]

otwin:

Altair256: i think pluto home does that

[21:53:15]

Altair256-work:

lol

[21:53:22]

Altair256-work:

seems the dev is having to fix all the PlutoHome cod

[21:53:26]

Altair256-work:

yes otwin

[21:53:55]

Altair256-work:

but if I understand correclty, the LinuxMCE dev is trying to take the PlutoHome code and make it mesh with other products better

[21:54:17]

Altair256-work:

in a year or two, it might be decent

[21:54:31]

Altair256-work:

but on my first HTPC, I have to make it work good for the wife

[21:54:42]

Altair256-work:

bleeding edge is not where I need to be on this first one

[21:54:56]

juski:

does she like rotating cubes though?

[21:55:08]

Altair256-work:

>.>

[21:55:15]

Altair256-work:

I... imagine she would, yes

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Altair256-work:

lol

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juski:

I saw a 'demo' of Elisa at the weekend. crashy

[21:56:37]

juski:

it's been around long enough now for the UI to be semi-stable, I'd have thought – but no

[21:56:39]

Altair256-work:

does the MythTV theme system support MNG or some other type of animated graphic type?

[21:56:58]

juski:

nope

[21:57:08]

juski:

flipbooks of pngs yes

[21:57:16]

juski:

as used by mepo-wide

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sphery:

Is that what MePo-wide does?

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sphery:

nvm

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juski:

awful

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juski:

playback timing ain't too hot from what I've seen of it

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sphery:

Would MNG's be better?

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juski:

NO

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sphery:

Would anything?

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juski:

let's move stuff around. 2d animation is sucky, k

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sphery:

just wondering what you'd want

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Altair256-work:

are you just against animated themes in general, juski?

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Altair256-work:

ah, you want the whole interface to be pure OpenGL?

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juski:

ANIMATION – as in ANIMATING things – making stuff DO STUFF

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juski:

not some lame flipbook thing – you have any idea how intensive that is in terms of memory & creative input?

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Altair256-work:

... >.>

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sphery:

I do find the MePo character a bit distracting. But I'm the type who prefers practical over pretty, so I didn't know if it was just me.

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juski:

fly icons in & out, zooms, that sort of thing

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Altair256-work:

your memory or the computers?

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Altair256-work:

Juski, so you would like a flash action script like interface for the themes then?

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Altair256-work:

bah.. gotta go home

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Altair256-work:

been a long day... lol

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Altair256-work:

thanks for the conversation guys

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juski:

flash actionscript? ffs!

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voltagex:

hi

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juski:

wrong channel again?

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juski:

haha no sorry lol

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juski:

oops!

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juski:

twas *I* who was in the wrong channel

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juski:

Dagmar: thanks for the Iphone smoothie video link earlier btw :D

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xris:

juski: that video hurt my eyes.

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tonyb2007:

The top of my screen when watching TV has this little blakc line with white dots sorta on it, how can I crop that out

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GreyFoxx:

turn up your overscan

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GreyFoxx:

That's why TV's overscan so that stuff is off the screen out of your viewing area

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juski:

xris: heheh

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juski:

btw about gbee's themeinfo.xml files – I was hoping to see a <baseresolution> tag.. but nm

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xris:

http://easytvdata.org/

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xris:

and here we go... :)

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J-e-f-f-A-2:

Hi xris! ;-)

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xris:

hi

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J-e-f-f-A-2:

xris: Ah, I see you're on that board. ;-) Kewl.

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hads:

xris: Put it in the topic so the 100 people a day that ask can be pointed there :)

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juski:

nice work guys :)

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o xris

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J-e-f-f-A-2:

xris: Will it have Dish PPV stuff? ;-)

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A-2: can't comment more for now.

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J-e-f-f-A-2:

xris: That's cool.

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xris:

negotiations will be ongoing for another couple of weeks. we hope to have things finalized before august.

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