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xris:

yay, I get to start interviewing new developers.. again... blech.

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squidly:

xris: why a new developer?

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xris:

just got notice from one of my team

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xris:

and company is growing.

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squidly:

ahh joy

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squidly:

xris: developer for what system?

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xris:

LAMP stuff (blech, I hate that acronym)

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xris:

http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i3290/careers/php-developer.php

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squidly:

xris: if I had more PHP experience I would apply

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ben_goodger:

meanwhile, the formerly linked to script (to add old recordings to a new db) says that it can't authenticate even though it hasn't asked me for a password; --password returns "no such option: password"

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xris:

ben_goodger: which script?

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ben_goodger:

xris: contrib/myth.rebuilddatabase.pl

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xris:

and it doesn't work?

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xris:

looks like the password is hard-coded at the top of the file.

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xris:

line 68 or so in svn trunk

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ben_goodger:

ah, thanks

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xris:

option is --pass

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xris:

I should probably rewrite that script to use the new perl bindings.. would save a lot of this kind of hassle.

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ben_goodger:

or perhaps a handy GUI option

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xris:

it's not that common of an occurrence

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xris:

smarter/better to export first, then you get a .sql file for ease of re-import.

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ben_goodger:

gah

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jams:

ick interviewing is ok the first time, but quickly gets old

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ben_goodger:

dammit

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ben_goodger:

brb

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jams:

xris you should be nicer to your team, you keep driving them away =)

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xris:

huh? I only drove kormoc away.

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xris:

and that was just so he could do something more interesting (how was I to know he'd get stuck with help desk stuff for months)

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ben_goodger:

hmm

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ben_goodger:

this is disorienting

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ben_goodger:

debian testing has just gone from a crazy mixture of gnomes 2.14 and 2.16 to mostly 2.18 in about 20 minutes

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, ok, I don't understand. I can view videos fine on the frontend that runs on the same machine as my backend. However, when I try to view them on the remote frontend, it says there are no files existing in the relevant directories, and wants to remove them from teh database.

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Lunar_Lamp:

Does anyone have any explanation for what stupid thing I've probably done?

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ben_goodger:

mythvideo or mythtv?

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Lunar_Lamp:

mythvideo – but the same happens with music and I presume recordings (though I don't have any yet)

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ben_goodger:

strictly afaik, mythvideo works locally

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Lunar_Lamp:

I can stream them fine (as they're on smb share) on this machine with the remote frontend, just not via myth

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Lunar_Lamp:

mythvideo can't stream remote videos?

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ben_goodger:

so your frontend's mythvideo is configured to look on the mountpoint of that samba share?

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Lunar_Lamp:

ben_goodger, hmm, I think so, I'd better check, if that's the stupid error I've made I'll be angry...

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ben_goodger:

(why you'd use samba for myth god only knows)

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Lunar_Lamp:

because the files were already on samba share – thus no extra config required

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ben_goodger:

mm

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ben_goodger:

my point was that SMB is desperately inferior to NFS, but it's your system, obviously

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Lunar_Lamp:

Well, yes, but smb took me 2mins to setup, and I've never used nfs – it was set up in a hurry and will be switched to nfs soon enough

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Lunar_Lamp:

Well, on the remote frontend, I've changed the dir for videos to be smb://hostname/path/to/videos

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Lunar_Lamp:

Doesn't seem to like it though as far as I can tell – still looks in /var/lib

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Lunar_Lamp:

So, if I want to set up an NFS with the media files on it – it should work though?

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jams:

don't think you can use smb://hostname as a path for videos. You would need to mount the smb share first, then point it to the mounted dir

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ben_goodger:

damn this script

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ben_goodger:

it finds the file, then asks me for the information, then runs commflagging

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ben_goodger:

and then MythFrontend says it can't find the file

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Lunar_Lamp:

jams, ah right

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ShockValue:

omfg i hate comcast sometimes

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ShockValue:

Ive talked to comcast corporate 3 times, and talked to a technician at our local PBS station today, and yet, our local office seems to think "it's not 5c, your box must be broken"

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ben_goodger:

if I knew who they were, I'd sympathise

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ben_goodger:

instead, I'm going to bed :P

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TSCHAK:

ughhh

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TSCHAK:

did IMDB change their site again?

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TSCHAK:

I'm having to enter in all my imdb numbers manually now

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mchou:

ShockValue: lol

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mchou:

ShockValue: that's fine, tell them you'll gladly try a new box

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mchou:

ShockValue: take a photo of the diag menu with 5C flag "on"

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mchou:

ShockValue: see what those bozos have to say

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mchou:

ShockValue: I'm actually interested in what your local PBS tech had to say

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mchou:

ShockValue: In the meantime I suggest you draft a letter up for FCC, explaing your local comcast "situation"

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mchou:

explaining*

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mchou:

hopefully the FCC would descend on them like a ton of bricks

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mchou:

look up their rear ends with a microscope :)

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mchou:

ShockValue: I'd also stay away from comcast corporate unless you found someone there who knew what they were talking about

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mchou:

ShockValue: the local comcast guys aren't all screw-ups. There are a few who know what they are doing (but in your case probably not in bremerton)

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mchou:

since they messed up the 5C implementation so badly

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dr12:

looking for help with channel changing

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dr12:

for some reason, my mythtv is using the starting channel value instead of what I pick

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dr12:

if I use my external channel changing script manually it works great...debugs show that it is sending in the "starting channel" value

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dr12:

but not always

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dr12:

seems > ch 700 or so

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dr12:

any ideas where to start looking?

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Anduin:

dr12: Run the backend with -v channel, it will print "External channel change: command"

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dr12:

change the init.d script? or manually daemon

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Anduin:

dr12: either way, I'd kill the backend and run it manually though as it isn't something your generally need

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dr12:

thx let me try

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dr12:

i have my external change channel cmd printing out to /tmp/d and it shows the value passed is the one from the "starting channel"

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dr12:

http://pastebin.ca/605328

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dr12:

it looks like it's picking 350

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dr12:

even though the schedule was like 754

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dr12:

i verified the recorded table too,using the right chanid and it refs back to the right channel

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Anduin:

dr12: You are really doing atsc?

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TUplink_:

Mythtv is already using all available inputs any ideas

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TUplink_:

1st time running

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Anduin:

TUplink_: did you configure your capture card correctly?

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TUplink_:

um.... what is ment by corectly

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TUplink_:

its an ATI capture card

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TUplink_:

set it as an analouge

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TUplink_:

/dev/video0

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TUplink_:

tvtime loads

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TUplink_:

and works with the tuner

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TUplink_:

im getting this in mythbackend 2007-07–05 23:14:00.475 ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs():

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TUplink_:

Could not get inputs for the capturecard.

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TUplink_:

Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video

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TUplink_:

sources to your card's inputs?

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Anduin:

TUplink_: and did you?

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TUplink_:

as far as i know its setup corectly

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Anduin:

TUplink_: So you associated a channel lineup with an input?

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TUplink_:

um... let me look

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TUplink_:

how do you go about that?

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TUplink_:

cause i set up the lineup

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Anduin:

TUplink_: mythtvsetup Input Connections

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TUplink_:

Auduin your a life saver....... it worked

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TUplink_:

thank lots

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TUplink_:

only took about 6 cigs to setup :P

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TUplink_:

now what do i do about sound?

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Anduin:

TUplink_: Usually play with audio settings (outside of myth) to make sure the capture device is from line-in (making many assumptions, considering I know nothing about your card)

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TUplink_:

hehe

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TUplink_:

um... all of the volumes are up

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Anduin:

TUplink_: This is a analog card with pass-through?

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TUplink_:

yes

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TUplink_:

have a jumper from output to lin-in on onboard sound

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Anduin:

TUplink_: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html#ss7.2 has some info

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Anduin:

TUplink_: You set the audio input correctly in setup?

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TUplink_:

give me a min....

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TUplink_:

trying to get somthing to play threw the headphones

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TUplink_:

brb

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TUplink_:

gonna reboot

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ShockValue:

is there a list of "best in class" of emulators around? im thinking of trying out mythgame

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dr12:

anduin atsc?

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dr12:

i'm doing ntsc I think

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Anduin:

dr12: Yeah, that channel change thinks it is a digital channel

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mchou:

ShockValue: you read my comments earlier?

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mchou:

ShockValue: scroll up if you havent

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dr12:

i am using a IR blaster to change my sat rcvr

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ShockValue:

scrolling....

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ShockValue:

mchou: im pretty sure i was talking to a low level tech at PBS today, but he assured me that they send NO 5c or any other type of encryption on their signal.

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dr12:

anduin: this time I tried channel 760 and it went to 757

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dr12:

but format says NTSC

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mchou:

ShockValue: he might be low level, but he is right :)

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ShockValue:

ShockValue: He told me to call back if the local office gave me any grief and he'd see what he could do to get the higher ups to take a look and make a call

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mchou:

mchou: you should have taped the conversation so comcast cant squggle

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mchou:

ShockValue: excellent :)

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ShockValue:

i decided today to let them slide and try out the new box for them.. i plugged it in and its the same (no surprise)

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mchou:

ShockValue: heh

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ShockValue:

but i have tomorrow off, so I'll be knocking on their door again

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

you're gonna be the "cable guys" worst nightmare

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ShockValue:

its frustrating because the people at the local comcast office just have this stupid look on their face when i try to explain it to them. the only "tech" in the house today was just a lowly installer

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mchou:

ShockValue: make sure to take a pic of the %C diagnostic screen

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mchou:

5C*

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ShockValue:

yeah thats a good idea

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mchou:

ShockValue: you need someone who runs the headend, not the techs that comes out to install stuff

[03:47:12]

ShockValue:

yeah, everyone who has a clue (my paraphrase) is on vacation this week

[03:47:18]

mchou:

iow, an internal comcast tech (that doesnt ever make customer visits)

[03:47:47]

mchou:

well, you'll just have to wait till next week then

[03:47:47]

Anduin:

dr12: clear the atsc_major and minor fields for those channels in the channel table.

[03:47:56]

ShockValue:

which is typical of techies right? make a big change then go on vacation :)

[03:48:20]

mchou:

yeah, and they do the change on Friday nights lol

[03:48:22]

jd86:

Hey, sorry if this has been discussed a bunch of times, but if zap2it is stopping their services, what will mythtv use for channel data? (it is stopping it service right?)

[03:48:32]

mchou:

so ppl holding the bag over the weekend

[03:48:48]

Anduin:

jd86: The sky isn't falling, just wait.

[03:48:56]

ShockValue:

jd86 – wait till xris is here, ask him :)

[03:49:19]

jd86:

Anduin, aaah, sounds like this has been discussed before. Next time I see xris I'll do just that

[03:49:28]

jd86:

well not see him, but see him online.

[03:49:36]

mchou:

jd86: it's been discussed to death

[03:49:48]

mchou:

jd86: here is no need to panic

[03:49:52]

jd86:

I'm not panicing

[03:50:03]

jd86:

(is panicing a word?)

[03:50:04]

ShockValue:

the only real answer ive heard is "devs are working on it, annoucement when things have been figured out"

[03:50:10]

mchou:

just get a tivo or cableco pvr worst case

[03:50:30]

jd86:

alright, ShockValue thats a good enough answer for me :).

[03:51:18]

mchou:

in any case, the cableco pvr may be cheaper than any (paid) solution that the devs might come up with

[03:52:51]

mchou:

but it would be a shame

[03:53:28]

mchou:

we should see if the windows ppl blink first :)

[03:53:34]

jd86:

would be far from the end of the world if I had to pay for channel data.

[03:53:45]

jd86:

I always had the "thats awful nice of those zap2it people" attitude.

[03:53:54]

dr12:

anduin: setting the atsc_major and minor to 0 didnt help

[03:54:06]

jd86:

I don't know anything about the arrangement though, so that might not be the case.... in any case.

[03:54:08]

mchou:

jd86: true, but the question is how much

[03:54:28]

jd86:

mchou, indeed. I don't know. It would be nice if somehow my friends and I could distribute the cost though ;-)

[03:54:31]

mchou:

jd86: consider you can rent a pvr of $10/month

[03:54:35]

ShockValue:

well, they were extracting marketing data from us.. it wasnt "free".. but it was very cheap :)

[03:54:35]

dr12:

they need to develop a bittorrent style guide data method

[03:54:48]

dr12:

so not everyone is getting the data from zap2it's servers

[03:54:51]

dr12:

spread the love

[03:55:02]

mchou:

bittorrent sucks

[03:55:18]

dr12:

mchou ok something similar, distributed is all I'm saying

[03:55:19]

jd86:

yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of people would have stepped up to spread the load over other services for oss users

[03:55:20]

mchou:

zap2it bandwidth is not the issue

[03:55:33]

dr12:

what was the abuse then

[03:55:46]

jd86:

I see, I don't know what the issue is at all... but I had kinda thought that was it

[03:56:06]

mchou:

dr12: abuse would be 1 party d/l programming for all of US, as an example

[03:56:06]

dr12:

maybe ppl were reselling the data

[03:56:25]

mchou:

instead of local community

[03:56:33]

jd86:

yuck. that's not cool

[03:56:48]

jd86:

took long enough just for my one lineup :)

[03:56:55]

dr12:

but that can be prevented with the api i would think

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mchou:

I only cited that as an example. I dont have any idea what the real abuse was

[03:57:40]

dr12:

anduin: clearing the atsc major minor didnt help...any other suggestions?

[03:57:56]

mchou:

but it aint about the bandwidth

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dr12:

i dont know why they didnt go with a sub method

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dr12:

i'd pay

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dr12:

i dont want to go back my set top pvr

[03:58:35]

dr12:

mythtv is like crack

[03:58:51]

dr12:

if only I could fix my channel changing problem :)

[04:00:02]

jd86:

well a recent lightening bolt next to my house broke parts of all of my frontends, so although my backend is cranking away my family is like WHERE IS MYTHTV!!!

[04:00:31]

mchou:

jd86: where you live? FL?

[04:00:34]

jd86:

RI

[04:00:58]

mchou:

jd86: the magic smoke escaped?

[04:02:09]

ShockValue:

yeah magic smoke. it makes electronics run.. but if you let it out, they stop working, and you can never get it back in.

[04:02:22]

mchou:

ShockValue: bingo!

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jd86:

it was really odd. I was just laying down watching some good o'l star trek on my mythtv... and then i heard BANG and my tv wen to white fuzz (I have frontends far away, and use rf modulators to get to tvs with rf remotes) so I went down to look and all of my "servers" were still on, but I guess the stuff travelled back into my house from a line that went outside and fried a GFI (where there was some magic smoke ;)) and somehow fried *only*

[04:02:29]

jd86:

the video cards in both of my frontends (i think the rf modulators went back into the vid cards)

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mchou:

ShockValue: like that 5C

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ShockValue:

5c is just the opposite.. if it gets in your machines, they never work again, and you cant get it out

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mchou:

jd86: damn, that was one expensive lightning bolt :)

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jd86:

all of my machines are okay, but I fried one or two segments on my 48 port switch.... and all kinds of little things here and there

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jd86:

so my shopping list includes new rf modulators, new video cards, and a day off from work to make it all work again :)

[04:04:28]

jd86:

nevermind my car isn't working and stuff... good fun mother nature.

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mchou:

jd86: nah, once you have a current surge like lightning all bets are off

[04:04:56]

mchou:

it might seem to be working, but they are all flaky

[04:05:28]

mchou:

eventually they'll start malfunctioning

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jd86:

everything that seems to have been effected were things not contained completely in UPSs.

[04:05:41]

mchou:

in ways that you will notice

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jd86:

rf modulators weren't plugged in there, neither was the switch down there...

[04:06:16]

jd86:

I don't have much of a choice... I could try to claim it all on insurance but be like "I just bet it will stop working soon because of this"?

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mchou:

true, and then there is the insurance deductible

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mchou:

which makes it almost not worthwhile to claim

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jd86:

yeah, well it was a crummy week. the lightening positioned itself perfectly to spray rocks all over two of our cars, and somehow manage to make mine not work at all any more... so thats 2x deductible.. nevermind my mom was in an accident a few days earlier with her car so thats another deductible plus the one for the house.

[04:07:53]

mchou:

jd86: the TV wasnt affected?

[04:08:01]

jd86:

one of them were, we now have pretty rainbows on it

[04:08:16]

mchou:

ouch

[04:08:18]

jd86:

I think the well should cover the deductible ;)

[04:08:30]

jd86:

which was classified as running "over amperage"

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mchou:

the well?

[04:08:41]

jd86:

for water

[04:08:46]

mchou:

huh??

[04:08:57]

mchou:

you have a well in your back yard?

[04:08:58]

jd86:

you know, to pump water from the earth to drink/bathe in?

[04:09:00]

jd86:

yes

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mchou:

lol

[04:09:11]

mchou:

you live in the boonies?

[04:09:27]

jd86:

nah, most of my town (well probably all now) has city water, but I'm up on this hill with curvy roads and stuff

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mchou:

so what happened to the well?

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ShockValue:

i'm on community well water too. when the power goes out you can hear its big generator kick in

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jd86:

I guess our insurance people said "you should have it checked out because sometimes they die a few weeks later" so the guy came and it was drawing too much amps or something (well's aren't my expertise)

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mchou:

jd86: ok, makes sense now

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dr12:

anduin: you still up?

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mchou:

jd86: blame it on global warming :)

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jd86:

you should have seen what it did to the automatic boat charger it hit (which I believe the stuff went into the house on) it was blown to shreds

[04:11:17]

jd86:

I should take a picture

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ShockValue:

man, i think im gonna dig out my old amiga.. see how she still runs

[04:12:10]

jd86:

replace boat with battery in that sentence up there.

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mchou:

ShockValue: huh??

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jd86:

alright, well I got work guys, nice chatting.... goodnight

[04:12:48]

ShockValue:

Commodore Amiga

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mchou:

ShockValue: you must really be bored

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** cesman misses his Amiga **

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** jd86 misses my working frontends.... **

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mchou:

jd86: I dont undestand why a front end would get blown

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mchou:

if anything, the backend would get blown (due to tuners)

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jd86:

rf modulator was plugged into circuit that also goes outside where lightening hit something, went inside, and somehow blew the tv out on video card only

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mchou:

jd86: ah, ok

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jd86:

thats my theory anyway

[04:15:10]

jd86:

it fried both video cards, one machine was plugged into a nice big UPS, so i figure it had to go back from the svideo cable

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mchou:

jd86: so your backend wasn't blown?

[04:15:27]

jd86:

nah, thats recording just fine :) all 5 tuners.

[04:15:38]

mchou:

makes no sense to me whatso ever

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jd86:

why?

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mchou:

tuners had RF, no?

[04:16:10]

mchou:

you have an RF jacks on the UPS?

[04:16:20]

mchou:

s/an//

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jd86:

nah, the rf modulator (boxy thing that takes svideo or rca type thing and makes it so you can send over coax to tv) was on a seperate everything for each frontend

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mchou:

yeah, but I still dont understand how backend was isolated despite UPS

[04:18:42]

mchou:

all thos RF cables attached to the tuners were susceptible

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jd86:

frontend ---> rf modulator ----> cable line that goes directly to my tv, the cable line is not plugged into the line that comes from the outside which is going to backend

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mchou:

and the RF probably werent grounded (during lightning)

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dr12:

<-smashes his mythtv

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jd86:

alright, I gotta get up in the morning, g'night all

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ShockValue:

can i plug my digital cable into a pchd3000?

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dr12:

anduin: i think I figured it out!

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mchou:

ShockValue: yup

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mchou:

and it wont even have 5C :)

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ShockValue:

trying to find an up-to-date guide on how to install a hd3000 so that i dont blow up my current installation

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mchou:

huh?

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ShockValue:

well, my backend is working fine.. and it usually stays that way until i tinker with it (like adding a new card)

[04:37:02]

ShockValue:

then i kill it, my wife gets pissed, and i start over :D

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mchou:

umm,by definition it will blow up

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mchou:

whether you have good instructions or bad

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mchou:

best to put hd3000 in a slave backend

[04:38:00]

mchou:

no need to mess with master backend

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ShockValue:

i have 1 backend and 1 frontend.. the frontend isnt anywhere near a cable source

[04:39:07]

mchou:

dude, just wait till next week

[04:39:22]

mchou:

when the cable guys finally do something about 5C

[04:39:43]

ShockValue:

well, it would be nice to have 2 recording sources so my wife would quit cancelling my recording shows so she can watch "so you think you can dance"

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

I dont get it

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ShockValue:

she seems to think her shows are more important than documentaries on solar power and black holes

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mchou:

why cant she just watch on another TV?

[04:40:39]

ShockValue:

we only have 1 tv

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mchou:

or you record on another cable outlet

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mchou:

I still dont get it

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ShockValue:

oh i see what you mean.

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ShockValue:

my tv doesnt have a tuner

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mchou:

you have one TV. you can record 1 channel while you can watch another on the TV

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cesman:

no, you need 2 tuners for that

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mchou:

cesman: no, dont be a fool. most tvs have tuners

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ShockValue:

most do, mine doesnt.

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mchou:

ShockValue: what TV is this?

[04:42:16]

ShockValue:

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/nec-50xm3.html

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mchou:

damn, that TV doesnt have a tuner

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Solv:

lol

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** cesman was thinking of something else **

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mchou:

use the VCR then

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cesman:

been awhile since I used a TV's tuner

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Solv:

buy a second tuner card?

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ShockValue:

hrm, i could use a vcr i guess.. i would have to go down to the Good Will store to get one though ;)

[04:43:24]

loops:

is there an easy way to run mythtv in a window rather than full screen?

[04:43:30]

Solv:

loops, yes

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cesman:

guess I was a fool after all

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Solv:

mythfrontend -w

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loops:

Solv, thanks very much

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Solv:

or --geometryx

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Solv:

woops

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Solv:

--geometry 640x480

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Anduin:

dr12: What was it/

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Solv:

ShockValue, I know I've come in late to this conversation...but why not a second tuner card?

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loops:

Solv, excellent.. thx again

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ShockValue:

Solv – mchou thinks its dangerous (specially with a newb like me) to mess with my working master backend

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ShockValue:

but im bored. so i might do it anyway

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ShockValue:

i have a pcHD3000 sitting on my desk collecting dust :)

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mchou:

trust me, you dont wanna do this when your wif is expecting :)

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mchou:

wife*

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Solv:

ShockValue, it'll be a great way to NOT be a newbie anymore

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Solv:

=)

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ShockValue:

nah, I learn just enough to get somethign working.. then dont touch it for 6 months.. so i forget everything i did :)

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mchou:

she will kill you when giving birth

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Solv:

my wife is expecting too...haha...I just tell her to watch the analog tv reception if something goes wrong...

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dr12:

anyone know how to hide myth recordings?

[04:47:07]

dr12:

protect them?

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ShockValue:

protect from expiring or protect from wife/kids/etc?

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mchou:

dr12 must have too much pron

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ShockValue:

thats what i was thinking >:)

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mchou:

I'm just wondering how he recorded pron on myth

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mchou:

ppv has 5C

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mchou:

:)

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dr12:

can it be done?

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mchou:

what's that, pron? of course

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mchou:

if you need to ask, you cant do it :)

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xris:

jd86: re zap2it: http://wiki.mythtv.org/

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ShockValue:

damn it

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ShockValue:

where the heck did my /boot/grub directory go?

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Tuplink_:

ok... i finaly got the sound working

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Tuplink_:

but.... im not getting chanels above 13

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Tuplink_:

like its stuck on uhf

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

nooob

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Dagmar:

Set the thing to use cable frequencies, not broadcast frequencies.

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Tuplink_:

got it

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Tuplink_:

i think i found it about the time you said somthing :P

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Dagmar:

heh

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Tuplink_:

ok... im really having sound probs

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Tuplink_:

i have 2 soundcards...

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Tuplink_:

onboard is a sigmatel

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Tuplink_:

the PCI soundblaster

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Tuplink_:

finlay got the sound going threw soundblaster

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Tuplink_:

but i want it to go threw the onboard?

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Dagmar:

Tuplink: http://www.alsa-project.org/ or ##ALSA

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ShockValue:

hrm

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ShockValue:

i loaded up the module for my hd3000 , but i dont get a /dev/dvb*

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ShockValue:

hrm.. could be that it doesnt show up in LSPCI for somereason

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jblack:

Ok. I'm still having a problem. mythcommflag is running but mythtranscode is not.

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jblack:

As far as I can tell, the jobs aren't being scheduled at all.

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jblack:

Running them manually does seem to work, though.

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Juski:

what a bunch of arse about Aus going to get EPG data over the air at last but it's gonna be encrypted. Who is that gonna benefit?!

[08:31:20]

quicksilver:

the cryptosheilas

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MilkBoy:

lol

[08:34:27]

Juski:

heheh

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** Daviey wonders if it will be licenced to stb manufactuers **

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Juski:

seriously though – putting free epg data out but then encrippling it? who are they kidding – if a simple STB is gonna be able to uncripple it, it's not gonna be hard for anything else.. and it's only text ffs – you know what's on, so you can brute force attack it for names of shows :) ahem

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Juski:

the data will be free, so why the hell encrypt it? weird

[08:43:03]

AndyCap:

because they can?

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slaine_:

Doesn't Aus have something similar to the CDMA ?

[08:43:38]

Juski:

DMCA? probably

[08:43:48]

slaine_:

That's the one :)

[08:43:57]

slaine_:

cdma, lol

[08:44:25]

MilkBoy:

crap... backend choke on transcoding one program, and killed the other transcoder too when failing

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slaine_:

I assume they'll charge a nominal license fee for those wishing to decrypt it

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AndyCap:

do they use conditional access on the tv programs?

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[08:53:12]

Dagmar:

Nominal?

[08:53:14]

Dagmar:

Hahahahah

[08:53:48]

slaine_:

indeed

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AndyCap:

like $250,000 minimum yearly fee or so.

[08:55:05]

Juski:

per customer? lol

[08:55:30]

MilkBoy:

that would be nominal yes ;)

[08:55:40]

Juski:

MilkBoy: solution is to get a bigger HDD & not have to transcode :)

[08:56:12]

MilkBoy:

Juski: heh.. true I guess

[08:56:29]

MilkBoy:

but the point being, why does both transcode jobs fail when one chokes

[08:57:39]

Juski:

something common between them do doubt

[08:57:44]

Juski:

run out of disk space? :-P

[08:58:17]

MilkBoy:

nope... 25 gigs free

[08:58:57]

MilkBoy:

the one job had been stuck @ 60% for like 30 minutes, but the other was working just fine

[08:59:30]

Juski:

what sort of recordings?

[08:59:34]

Juski:

dvb y any chance?

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MilkBoy:

dvb indeed

[09:00:05]

MilkBoy:

aaaaaaa

[09:00:15]

MilkBoy:

disregard the question

[09:00:22]

Juski:

why?

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MilkBoy:

Jul 6 11:39:39 aristoteles kernel: oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201d2, order=0

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MilkBoy:

etc etc

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Juski:

?

[09:00:51]

MilkBoy:

ran out of memory

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Juski:

how the ?

[09:01:03]

MilkBoy:

so the stuck thread apparently ate up all memory it could get

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Juski:

ah right so that explains why the other process died

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MilkBoy:

yup

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Juski:

not why it got stuck

[09:02:12]

MilkBoy:

that problem still needs to be resolved, yes.. but might have a perfectly reasonable explanation too

[09:02:35]

Juski:

what does the log say?

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MilkBoy:

yup.. confirmed that both mythtranscode processes got killed about at the same time =D lol

[09:05:58]

Dagmar:

I say it was a murder-suicide.

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AndyCap:

These days it's a IED

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MilkBoy:

Juski: http://pastebin.ca/605565

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MilkBoy:

so not really any useful information I guess

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jduggan_:

LRL tmrw!

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Juski:

aye :)

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thinc:

hello. I was wondering if anyone knows why when I record livetv, it only records an hour. Is there some setting I am missing?

[09:52:36]

Juski:

programme guide data perhaps? ;)

[09:52:55]

thinc:

I am recording from my vcr

[09:53:09]

thinc:

I setup a custom channel 999 that has no programming data

[10:04:40]

Dagmar:

MythTV Is Not A VCR.

[10:05:31]

thinc:

Can you expand on that statement? What do you mean?

[10:06:08]

Dagmar:

It means that trying to use it for continuous recording is going to remain awkward.

[10:07:55]

thinc:

Would you be able to suggest a better way of archiving my vcr tapes and making them available on my mythtv box?

[10:10:35]

AndyCap:

thinc: just cat the /dev/videoblah device if this is a PVR-xxx card?

[10:10:45]

Dagmar:

Only if someone's written a dedicated application for it.

[10:11:00]

thinc:

yeah PVR500

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AndyCap:

thinc: but then you'd have to put the videos in the Video library, not under recorded programs

[10:11:37]

thinc:

and then I don't get to transcode and cut the ends to clean it up...

[10:11:38]

Dagmar:

It's not like the metadata would be correct for it otherwise.

[10:11:49]

thinc:

I can edit the database to put the metadata in

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AndyCap:

thinc: then you can edit the database to put in a "program" for your video befor recording.. :P

[10:12:29]

thinc:

true

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AndyCap:

so from 10pm to 13 pm I'll be recording die hard from the S-Video channel

[10:12:49]

thinc:

is that the problem then? I need to put in guide data so that it records for two hours

[10:12:57]

AndyCap:

seems like it

[10:13:13]

thinc:

when I try and manually set the record times it just fails for some reason

[10:15:20]

Dagmar:

The fundamental problem is that MythTV wasn't designed to be used as a VCR>

[10:15:50]

thinc:

it seems super close to having that capability though

[10:16:45]

thinc:

and if the manual schedule worked, then thats pretty much a vcr right there

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Juski:

thinc: a manually scheduled recording will allow you to dub a video into mythtv. you can always trim/edit the captured video later :)

[10:45:16]

thinc:

the problem with that is everytime I manually schedule a recording, it fails for unknown reasons

[10:45:37]

thinc:

is there a place I can look to get more information about why it is failing?

[10:45:44]

Juski:

logs

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Juski:

e.g. /var/log/mythtv/.........

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Juski:

log locations vary by distro

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thinc:

I'll take a look...

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Juski:

anyway it's altogether better to use a composite/svideo input for something like a VCR

[10:46:41]

Juski:

if you use the tuner you're limited to mono sound for one thing

[10:47:01]

Juski:

VCRs don't make the RF output stereo

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Juski:

plus you'll be losing quality

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thinc:

I am using the composite input of the pvr500 to do this

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Juski:

you know it's gonna be a whole lot easier to stop mythbackend & just cat it to a file yourself!

[10:48:40]

Juski:

if you don't have many to do it's no sweat. if you have a lot to do you should probably use something other than a PC anyway

[10:49:28]

thinc:

its mainly because I am too cheap to buy mulan on dvd

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Juski:

great so you're pirating videos now

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thinc:

I'll just do one or two a week until it is done

[10:49:50]

thinc:

no, I have mulan on vcr tape

[10:49:58]

thinc:

I want to ditch my vcr

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Juski:

unauthorised duplication yada yada yada yada.....

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Juski:

and you're talking about this in a logged channel too

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quicksilver:

sounds like appropriate use to me

[10:51:20]

Juski:

you don't have carte blanche to do whatever the hell you like in all parts of the world

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quicksilver:

just like ripping a CD to an iPod

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Juski:

why do you think Macrovision was invented?

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Juski:

to stop home video copying

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quicksilver:

because they don't want you to sell it to other people

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Juski:

bullshit

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quicksilver:

nobody's going to care if you copy it for your own use to a more convenient format

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quicksilver:

it's no more 'bullshit' than ripping to iPods

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Juski:

dvd recorders won't let you tape protected VHS

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AndyCap:

quicksilver: well, the dvd salespeople care

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quicksilver:

and it's fairly widely accepted that that is acceptable, now

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Juski:

in windows you wouldn't be able to do it either!

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quicksilver:

AndyCap: I bet they do, but I don't care what they think :)

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quicksilver:

AndyCap: I stand by my statement that that is an appropriate thing to do

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Juski:

the driver'd go "uh-oh – copy protection!"

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AndyCap:

Juski: yes. so why does myth allow this? shouldn't you make it stop

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quicksilver:

and I'm happy to say that in a court of law

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quicksilver:

and I'm happy to be logged as saying it

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thinc:

I did not want to start a flamewar on copyright with this question

[10:53:13]

Juski:

AndyCap: myth doesn't allow you to copy VHS to a digital format, per se

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quicksilver:

thinc: you didn't. I started the flamewar.

[10:53:26]

quicksilver:

thinc: because Juski pissed me off :P

[10:53:27]

Juski:

the ivtv drivers do though

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AndyCap:

but it doesn't respect macrovision eitheR?

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Juski:

it's up to the driver to respect macrovision

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AndyCap:

passing the buck are we

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Juski:

no way

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Juski:

the driver is the only thing that has access to the register on the encoder

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Juski:

macrovision isn't supported in the v4l API AFAIK anyway

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AndyCap:

so if one made ivtv support macrovision, would you make myth respect it if it said do not record? :)

[10:55:39]

Juski:

I don't care either way, not being a use of analogue formats anymore

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Juski:

s/use/user

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AndyCap:

yeah, for all this is going away in the digital world.

[10:56:48]

Juski:

wouldn't that be futile in open source anyway?

[10:57:09]

Juski:

same goes for ivtv infact – be a one line change to remove it :)

[10:57:22]

AndyCap:

not really no.

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AndyCap:

futile that is..

[10:58:08]

Juski:

ah I see, so follow the letter of the MPAA law, then with a wink just disregard it when it comes to compile time

[10:58:11]

AndyCap:

the common answer is that ugly l-word

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quicksilver:

the MPAA does not make the laws where I live

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Juski:

it's a bloody minefield is what it is

[10:58:48]

quicksilver:

I obey the laws of my realm, to the best of my understanding

[10:59:01]

quicksilver:

and I'm very happy to justify them to the authorities if that were necessary

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Juski:

quicksilver: right, but they pay the guys who make the laws

[10:59:13]

quicksilver:

yes, and I don't care

[10:59:19]

quicksilver:

because I *vote* for the guys who make the laws

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quicksilver:

and I believe in a fair justice system

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** quicksilver shrugs **

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Juski:

anyway bottom line is, if you're too cheap to replace your VHS, on your own head be it etc

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quicksilver:

I'm not going to be intimidated into not doing something I know is fine

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Juski:

catting to a file is by far the easiest way

[10:59:59]

Juski:

then just trim it later, or whatever

[11:01:04]

Juski:

certainly way easier than scheduling recordings manually

[11:01:55]

Juski:

as for the '1 hour' limitation of mythtv- that's easily worked around if you can be bothered to change the source – because myth's TV functions are designed with having a working EPG in mind, hard cheese

[11:02:41]

thinc:

but I get around that 1 hour limit with the manual record, yes?

[11:03:05]

Juski:

yes, but catting to a file is much easier, I think you'll find

[11:03:09]

thinc:

if I can get it to work that is

[11:03:38]

thinc:

catting the file is not as wife friendly :)

[11:03:41]

Juski:

if it's not working with your dummy channel, maybe you didn't set that input up correctly – maybe it doesn't have a video source bound to it or something

[11:03:59]

thinc:

I can watch the vcr playing on live tv

[11:04:19]

Juski:

hmm sure that wouldn't work if it wasn't bound to a video source... but it's def. something related to that

[11:04:53]

thinc:

ok

[11:06:16]

Juski:

did you bind the comp. input to the same source as your regular TV channels?

[11:06:25]

Juski:

or did you make a new source?

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thinc:

I made a new source

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Juski:

right, so how does the new source differ from the original one? other than the fact it has no EPG data of course ;)

[11:11:29]

thinc:

It uses the composite inputs, and has a custom channel of 999

[11:11:45]

Dagmar:

...and contains 12% moar lolcats

[11:12:14]

Juski:

I'd have used 0 myself – like the VCRs of yore ;)

[11:12:26]

laga:

Dagmar: kthy

[11:12:28]

laga:

kthx*

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Juski:

if live recording works but a manual schedule doesn't, I can't rahhly fathom wassup wid dat

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thinc:

"TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 999. Reverting to kState_None"

[11:14:11]

Juski:

another way around it would be to fill the program table for that video source with 3 hour long dummy shows :)

[11:14:16]

thinc:

more context:

[11:14:16]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:08:03.983 Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel ''

[11:14:16]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:08:03.984 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel.

[11:14:16]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:08:03.985 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 999. Reverting to kState_None

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Juski:

no freqid?

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laga:

try setting the channel changer script to /bin/true

[11:14:44]

Juski:

no name/callsign ?

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thinc:

Canceled recording (Recorder Failed): ll (Manual Record) "Fri Jul 6 04:10:00 2007": channel 1031 on cardid 1, sourceid 2

[11:15:13]

Juski:

maybe there's just no freqid / callsign / name

[11:15:16]

Juski:

fill em in

[11:15:23]

thinc:

which table?

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Juski:

every channel needs em AFAIK

[11:15:54]

Juski:

sept digital ones – they don't need freqid IIRC

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thinc:

heh table => channel

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Juski:

give 'channel 999' a freqid of 999 & a name & a callsign & see how far you get

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thinc:

select freqid,name,callsign from channel where channum = 999;

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thinc:

+--------+----------+----------+

[11:17:28]

thinc:

| freqid | name | callsign |

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thinc:

+--------+----------+----------+

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thinc:

| NULL | External | 1031 |

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thinc:

+--------+----------+----------+

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Juski:

give it a freqid of 999 then

[11:17:52]

Juski:

same as the ch. number

[11:18:00]

Juski:

then see if it works

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thinc:

trying

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Juski:

that's what external inputs go by, the freqid – it's the number which gets passed to channel changing scripts, so that'd figure

[11:19:56]

thinc:

still had an error

[11:20:09]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:54.910 Reschedule requested for id 145.

[11:20:09]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:55.185 Scheduled 151 items in 0.3 = 0.03 match + 0.25 place

[11:20:09]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:55.238 TVRec(1): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

[11:20:09]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:55.246 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

[11:20:09]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:55.253 Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(999): Failed to find Channel '999'

[11:20:09]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:55.254 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(999): Error, failed to find channel.

[11:20:11]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:55.255 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 999. Reverting to kState_None

[11:20:13]

thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:55.256 TVRec(1): Changing from RecordingOnly to None

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thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:55.261 Canceled recording (Recorder Failed): aaa (Manual Record) "Fri Jul 6 04:15:00 2007": channel 1031 on cardid 1, sourceid 2

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Juski:

maybe try restarting the backend

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thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:58.287 Error deleting '/video/tv/1031_20070706041900.mpg' could not open

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Juski:

and use a pastebin~!

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thinc:

eno: No such file or directory (2)

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thinc:

2007-07–06 04:18:58.292 Delete Error '/video/tv/1031_20070706041900.mpg'

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thinc:

eno: No such file or directory (2)

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Juski:

and use a pastebin~!

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thinc:

2007-07–06 04:19:02.302 Reschedule requested for id 0.

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Juski:

and use a pastebin~!

[11:20:27]

Juski:

and use a pastebin~!

[11:20:27]

Juski:

and use a pastebin~!

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thinc:

2007-07–06 04:19:02.550 Scheduled 151 items in 0.2 = 0.01 match + 0.24 place

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Juski:

and use a pastebin~!

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Juski:

and use a pastebin~!

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Juski:

failed to find channel '999'.. must be something else you're missing which'd make it a valid channel

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laga:

my irc client is on fire because of the heat caused by friction in the scroll bars

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Juski:

and in future PLEASE use a pastebin for more than 3 lines

[11:23:09]

thinc:

thanks for the pastebin advice

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thinc:

sorry about that

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Juski:

did you create the new channel in mythtv-setup or by mysql-fu ?

[11:24:15]

Juski:

maybe it's missing its sourceid

[11:25:25]

Juski:

select name, callsign, channum, chanid, freqid, sourceid from channel WHERE name="999";

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Juski:

make sure the sourceid allocated to it actually exists too!

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thinc:

I created the channel in mythtv-setup

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Juski:

though all this makes me wonder why it'd work in live mode

[11:26:19]

Juski:

it's got to be something dead simple like that

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Juski:

did you restart the backend after making the new input & source?

[11:27:14]

Juski:

that'd no doubt have a bearing on it

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thinc:

yes, everything has been restarted

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thinc:

http://pastebin.com/943102

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Juski:

arghh not the .com !! .ca is faster :)

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thinc:

ok

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Juski:

looks ok

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Juski:

is there another channel with the same name/number/callsign ?

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Juski:

running out of ideas rapidly here

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Juski:

like I keep saying it's gonna be something really simple I'm sure

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thinc:

http://pastebin.ca/605684

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thinc:

no conflicts that I can see

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Juski:

and God help me for aiding somebody doing Disney out of its precious dollars.. bah I'm going to hell anyway

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thinc:

hey, I have home movies too :)

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laga:

i bet god doesn't like these either!

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Juski:

roflmao

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Juski:

'the lost tape'... I have one of those somewhere

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laga:

EWAYTOOMUCHINFORMATION

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Juski:

nah – TMI would be if it ever found its way to youtube

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Juski:

anyway I'm out of ideas thinc

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Juski:

I tried

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thinc:

thanks for the help :)

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Juski:

can't really concentrate today anyway – lots on my mind.. "have I packed that yet? will I need... ?"

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Juski:

turning rough hewn timber into a nice high monitor stand :)

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wireddd:

are cable companies in the us required to provide you with a firewire enabled cable box if you request it?

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siXy:

wireddd: i seem to remember reading that that was the case. but i dont live in the US and dont know for sure

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wireddd:

it looks like it is just for HD boxes if you have an hd subscription based on this from the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#FCC_regulations

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mikeones:

hello

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gbee:

what directory do I need to mount in /data to allow mythweb access to recordings?

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Dagmar:

That would be doing it the hard way.

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gbee:

Dagmar: how so?

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Dagmar:

Because there are configuration parameters to tell MythWeb where things are, not the other way around.

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gbee:

Dagmar: there are? Can't say I've ever seen that

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gbee:

I know by default mythweb looks for a directory in data/ but I can't remember what name it expects for that directory

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gbee:

oh well, I've got the source I guess I'll just do it the hard way :)

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siXy:

gbee: iirc mythweb just sues whatever the defualt recording directory is set to

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siXy:

s/sues/uses

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gbee:

siXy: when installed on the same machine as mythbackend, yes, although maybe mounting the nfs share on the same path as the backend server would work

[13:51:23]

** gbee tries that **

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siXy:

gbee, thats what i did when i had a seperate mythweb box. then used mod_proxy to fool apache into thinking it was on the backend

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gbee:

hmm, a little too messy to involve apache configs, I'm just trying to get flash streaming to work quickly so I can pass the time by watching some recordings from my hotel room

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siXy:

heh nice idea :D

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gbee:

probably should have set this up before I left, but I didn't really expect a free net connection at the hotel

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siXy:

yeah you're lucky – whenever im in a hotel for work i have no internet :(

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Juski:

bugger that reminds me I didn't install the latest mythweb.. or did I? simple fix tomorrow anyway

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Juski:

time to shower & finish packing anyway, then pack up the monitors

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gbee:

hmm, looking at the mythweb source it seems I was wrong about the directory in data/ we use it for music, videos, icons and everything else but not recordings

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siXy:

link not fast enough to copy the recordings over i guess?

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gbee:

siXy: heh no, my upstream is something like 256K

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gbee:

kbs

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siXy:

*ouch*!!

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gbee:

upstream rates generally suck here in the UK

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Juski:

right – time this monitor went away... see ya laters

[14:18:35]

Juski:

oh wait.. got a spot of printing to do first!

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gbee:

well streaming is working, except for sound

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gbee:

Juski: give me a call when you get in and I'll give you a hand unloading

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gbee:

btw, where are you staying?

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siXy:

gbee: im in the uk and i get 1.2Mb upload ;)

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gbee:

siXy: who with? and buisness connections don't count

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Juski:

gbee: britannia hotel

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siXy:

gbee: nah im talking about my home connection – on the much-slated be (bethere.co.uk)

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Juski:

arse! I sorta need my clippy mike holder – bright idea I had was to use a gooseneck mike stand to support the aerial, and I can't find the universal gripper part

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gbee:

Juski: ah cool, same as stuarta and me (you've probably said before, but I couldn't remember)

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gbee:

siXy: hmm, not bad! I didn't realise anyone was offering those sorts of upstream speeds yet

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gbee:

still not fast enough for streaming recordings though

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siXy:

24meg down 1.5meg up (in theory... i only get 1.2 :) )

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Juski:

fackit. bit of wood for insulator & plenty of tape'll do it!

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Juski:

uh.. I have to go down the M6 :((

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Juski:

better have plenty tunes for the car then

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Juski:

right.. time to go offline & do the last of my sorting out. I'll give you a buzz when I'm about there gbee

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gbee:

cya

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Juski:

ttfn y'all... there'll be a full post-show report on the mailing lists etc when we return, and maybe even photos

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siXy:

ah nice :) have fun

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gbee:

hmm, ffmpeg is just flat out ignoring the audio when transcoding

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siXy:

thats unfortunate :(

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gbee:

as it may be the multiple audio streams which are confusing it, I'm transcoding a couple with mythtranscode first – that should remove the second audio stream

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RogerM:

Anyone know if Myth internal player can play VCD/SVCD dics?

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dr_willis:

cant say that ive tried those..

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dr_willis:

cant even say that i HAVE any. :) to try. but theinternal player is xine isent it?

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quicksilver:

dr_willis: no

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RogerM:

I know that MythARchive dont have support for buring VCD/SVCDs.

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quicksilver:

RogerM: yes, I believe it can, if you compiled it with support for VCD

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quicksilver:

RogerM: hmm maybe not

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quicksilver:

RogerM: maybe it's mythdvd I'm seeing info about

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dr_willis:

only vcd i evern downloaded..i converted/burnt to normal dvd. :)

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RogerM:

:)

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dr_willis:

and i got the 2 parts backwards..

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dr_willis:

so the wife watched the 2nd half of the movie first.. thenm the 1st part..

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quicksilver:

RogerM: it would be a bit surprising if it couldn't

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dr_willis:

and she dident notice thje differance!

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quicksilver:

RogerM: it's only a mpeg file

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RogerM:

While talking about buring DVDs.. Anyone noticed any problems with the themes? With MythCenter I get green borders in the DVD menus and i both mythcenter and g.a.n.t I dont get any borders so I dont know what I'm selecting.

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RogerM:

dr_willis: :) I guess she got confused. :)

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dr_willis:

RogerM, the movie was that bad..

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AndyCap:

Blowing up "good old PAL" from a PVR-500 to 1920x1080 was downright ugly.

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siXy:

AndyCap: LCD or plsma?

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AndyCap:

siXy: LCD.. From what I hear plasma is slightly more forgiving

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siXy:

yeah – it is

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AndyCap:

guess I should move to DVB completely.

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siXy:

you can do some processing to de-artifact low-q mpeg2 signals tho

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AndyCap:

or just take my glasses off.. :P

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siXy:

hehe :)

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AndyCap:

yeah, but the cable signal isn't all that great here anyway.. :/ gonna see how it looks if I feed the tv directly in a minute..

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AndyCap:

just got to check that there weren't any upcoming recordings. :P

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siXy:

AndyCap: theres some messing you can do with ffmpeg to reduce the blockyness if you can be bothered :)

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AndyCap:

siXy: I'll have to look into that

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quicksilver:

generic problem with good TVs

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quicksilver:

they expose poor video quality

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quicksilver:

I'm happy with my shitty blurry TV thanks :)

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quicksilver:

everything looks just as good as each other on that...

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AndyCap:

quicksilver: Hehe, maybe I should send it back and stick with my CRT

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gbee:

any ideas why the ffmpeg isn't creating audio for the flash stream on one machine but yet it works on another?

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AndyCap:

missing library?

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janneg:

gbee: ffmpeg -i $RECORDING

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janneg:

does it list the audio stream?

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gbee:

AndyCap: can't see any obvious difference between the configure output on one machine and that on another

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gbee:

janneg: yes it does, nothing different between the recordings on the two machines, but ffmpeg on one transcodes the audio and doesn't on the other

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janneg:

gbee: strange. Is there any difference between those two machines?

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janneg:

is it just this recording or is it consistent for all recordings?

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gbee:

not really (any difference)

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gbee:

consistent for all recordings, they all work on one machine and none work on the other

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janneg:

so there has be a difference between the machines

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gbee:

just rebuilding ffmpeg for the third time, it's got to be something there

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janneg:

they have the same mythweb and the same ffmpeg installed?

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gbee:

the working one has a slightly older ffmpeg, but not that much older – mythweb, again one is a little older than the other, but only by a week or two worth of revisions (don't remember any changes to the ffmpeg command going into trunk though)

[17:30:26]

gbee:

I'll see if I can't update both to current svn

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gbee:

it's a little slow as I'm doing this 60 miles away from the machines across my relatively slow net connection

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janneg:

I doubt the ffmpeg version will make a difference. on the otherhand I can't remember recent streaming related changes in mythweb

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binks:

if my dvb_ttpci is in use how can i find out what is using it

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olds:

binks: lsof | grep adapter0

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binks:

it returns nothing

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olds:

then nothing is using adapter0

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binks:

main:2247: FATAL: failed to open '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0': 16 Device or resource busy

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mikeones:

hello

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olds:

*shrug*

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olds:

gbee: you need to have mp3lame compiled in your ffmpeg

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gbee:

janneg: third build fixed it, or rather I think the distclean di

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gbee:

d

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gbee:

anyway, finally I can watch some decent TV – just my luck that juski will finally turn up now and I'll have to go out into the cold to help him unload :D

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blackest:

anyone god with irda ?

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blackest:

good will do ;)

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gbee:

blackest: what you trying to do? and no, I don't know anything about irda

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blackest:

i've bought a irda adapter usb thing it seems to work to an extent i managed to get irdump to see a pda

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blackest:

i've a few things in mind hopefully doing some lirc stuff with it

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blackest:

also trying to talk with a blood glucose meter with it

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ASTX813:

If my frontend and backend are on different networks, which ports do I need forwarded to the backend? I've already forwarded 6543, 6544, and 3306, but it doesn't seem to be working.

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ASTX813:

I get several errors that mysql is still unable to connect (isn't that port 3306?)

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gbee:

is mysql networking enabled?

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stormy|:

hey all, i'm trying to get mythweb working over my LAN. when I go to http://<it's IP> it shows up on the host machine, but I cannot access it remotely over my LAN.. any ideas?

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ben_goodger:

NAT?

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ben_goodger:

firewall?

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stormy|:

NAT yes, firewall is off

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James2:

giving it a static ip?

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olds:

are you trying to goto 127.0.0.1 ?

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James2:

that would be a picnic lol

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stormy|:

hehehe.. not that simple

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stormy|:

I just double checked the firewall ... I think in my head I got that mixed up with SELinux... I allowed HTTP.. let me try it again

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stormy|:

xD

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stormy|:

I feel really stupid... lol

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stormy|:

Although, the page is displayed a bit funny

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stormy|:

I read something about that in the docs though, so i'll look there

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mintee:

'lo all

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mintee:

i'm having a problem with overscan on my sony kdf e42a10

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mintee:

i've been playing with modelines and I'm just not getting anywhere

[19:32:40]

laga:

ask a question then..

[19:32:43]

laga:

i'm off, cya

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mintee:

lul, cya

[19:33:54]

mintee:

well, i guess my question would be... I'm using HDMI on a nvidia 7050PV to my sony widescreen, and it's cutting off about 50 pixels on each side.

[19:34:16]

mintee:

i've been googling and finding other modelines that supposadly work, but i've had no luck

[19:34:44]

mintee:

which i guess brings me to the realization that I don't know what I'm doing with the modelines

[19:34:53]

mintee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline . . . y_KDF-E42A10

[19:36:19]

mintee:

there are 2 modelines that supposed to work with my tv... so, I add the modelines into the Monitor section of xorg.com and have to call the mode by the name ("1280x720" "1920x1080") in the Screen section?

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** mintee steps on the cricket that's chirping in the channel **

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mintee:

i soooooooooo don't wanna install windows on this box and use powerstrip

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thoraxe:

windows!

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mkrufky:

powerstrip... i can only assume that's a windows app that will automatically generate an X modeline for use in linux?

[19:52:01]

mintee:

correct

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mkrufky:

where do i get it? is it free?

[19:52:18]

mintee:

no, not free

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mintee:

http://entechtaiwan.com/util/ps.shtm

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mintee:

shareware

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mkrufky:

i may as well see what it says for my westinghouse — i think my modeline is less than perfect

[19:52:45]

mkrufky:

ah, shareware — good enough, i only need to use it once

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mintee:

like i said, i'm off 50 pixels, easy on each side... i can't even see the next button in mythtv-setup

[19:53:33]

mintee:

and --geometry isn't what i'm going for, cause it'll screw with mythgame and such

[19:54:02]

GreyFoxx:

mintee: How would it screw with mythgame?

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GreyFoxx:

It will of course control the size of all myth windows, but that wont affect the emulators mythgame launches

[19:54:24]

mintee:

mythgame uses the full screen, doesn't it?

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GreyFoxx:

mythgame is just a menu system that calls outside programs which actually play the game

[19:54:42]

mintee:

not just the geometry set with the flag

[19:54:47]

mintee:

right

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mintee:

therefore xmame or whatever will run fullscreen and there's my overscan problem again

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mintee:

i need to get the native res of the teevee

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GreyFoxx:

Well, you are suppose to have overscan

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mkrufky:

regardless, you're better off with the correct modeline / resolution

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mkrufky:

are you sure your tv isn't in zoom mode?

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mintee:

GreyFoxx? supposed? 50+ pixels... i don't think so

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mintee:

yeah, i'm sure mkrufky

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

easily

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GreyFoxx:

It's like 5–10% of the screen is EXPECTED to be overscan

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mintee:

so i'm just not supposed to be able to read the menus is what your telling me.

[19:56:42]

mintee:

that makes sense

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mintee:

*sigh*

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GreyFoxx:

No, that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying you are support to have overscan, but Certainly you can use either the Min/X/Y or geometry to lineup the myth menus

[19:57:16]

GreyFoxx:

bug video playback and such are suppose to be overscanned

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mintee:

sorry, i'm not trying to be an ass...

[19:57:39]

mintee:

yes, this is correct.

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mkrufky:

is the problem only myth, or does the KDE desktop also go past the edges of your screen?

[19:58:23]

mintee:

in the following modeline is "720p" the name of the mode that should be called in the "Screen" section?

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mintee:

ModeLine "720p" 74.25 1280 1390 1430 1648 720 725 732 752 +hsync +vsync

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** mkrufky assumes KDE ... s/"KDE"/"[.*]" **

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** mintee uses fluxbox **

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mkrufky:

so, does the desktop extend past the screen?

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GreyFoxx:

mintee: Yes, 720p is the mode name

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mintee:

So that MUST be called in the Section "Screens" \ Modes "720p" \ EndSection

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mintee:

mkrufky, yeah, so far a cannot see the fbpanel

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GreyFoxx:

mintee: Yes

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mintee:

ok... that helps a bit

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mkrufky:

and if you move your mouse past the visible boundary, the screen doesnt move with you, also correct?

[20:00:26]

mintee:

i'm not home right now, but just gathering information

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geemark:

is there any gereral small and easy tool for linux for taking a part of an mpeg and saving it to a new file? i do not want to reencode anything, just cut it

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mintee:

mkrufky, correct. it's a fixed screen.

[20:01:08]

mkrufky:

yeah... im just going thru the obvious mistakes... very often things boil down to an easy fix, other times not

[20:01:30]

mintee:

mkrufky, yeah. i messed around with it for about 5 hours yesterday

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mkrufky:

have you tried with a hardcoded resolution, instead of a 720p modeline?

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mintee:

yeap

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mkrufky:

ie: 1280X768

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mintee:

1280x720

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mintee:

yes... same thing

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mkrufky:

you tried both and each resulted in the same problem you have explained above?

[20:02:26]

mintee:

there is a problem with it reading the EDID's from the monitor, because they report them wrong, but I've also tried turning them off

[20:02:31]

mintee:

yes

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mkrufky:

hmm.. .i guess you didnt need *me* to say it, but it sounds like you;ve got the basics done correctly

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thoraxe:

geemark: tmpgenc ?

[20:03:22]

thoraxe:

virtualdub?

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thoraxe:

i don't remember

[20:03:26]

mkrufky:

modeline setup can be are annoying if it doesnt work out-of-the-box

[20:04:05]

mintee:

mkrufky, heh, thanks. I think maybe my lack of xorg.conf has something to do with it. I think if I try these modelines and make xorg ignore my EDID's it might work. Highly doubtful knowing my luck, but we'll see

[20:04:25]

mintee:

*lack of xorg.conf knowledge*

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mkrufky:

well, setting up my screen was no picnic, either

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mkrufky:

in fact, i dont think i ever really did it correctly.... i just gave up after i got a decent picture under 720p

[20:05:53]

mintee:

yeah... after i get this working i have the pleasure of figuring out why my ivtv modules are screwed up.

[20:06:03]

mkrufky:

....although i should really try again... right now it's set to 1280x768, where it shoudl ACTUALLY be 1366x768

[20:06:17]

mkrufky:

ivtv — let me save you some time with that

[20:06:31]

mkrufky:

remove the devices from mythtv-setup, then re-add them

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mintee:

yes... exactully, i cannot however set mine to a number like 1366... it refuses it

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mkrufky:

the code for the ivtv stuff changed, ever since ivtv was added to the kernel, using the new v4l2 mpeg encoder API, instead of the old ivtv api

[20:07:17]

mintee:

yeah? well since i've not been able to get thry the myth setup, i've just been trying it in tvtime

[20:07:33]

mkrufky:

ivtv will _never_ work in tvtime

[20:07:38]

mintee:

tvtime has no problem picking up my pchdtv 5500

[20:07:41]

mintee:

oh, really?

[20:07:41]

geemark:

thoraxe, the webpage says it converts avi to mpeg?

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mkrufky:

ivtv is a hardware mpeg encoder, only outputs mpeg streams

[20:07:56]

mkrufky:

pvhdtv5500 will work fine in tvtime, for ANALOG mode

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mintee:

ah... well that explains alot

[20:08:06]

mintee:

thanks

[20:08:07]

mintee:

heh

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mkrufky:

but you can use mplayer to test the atsc/qam for the pvhdtv5500, and also for ivtv

[20:08:15]

mintee:

saved me a headache to look forward to

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mkrufky:

yup

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mkrufky:

no prob. saves me the headache of explaining it all again later, ;-)

[20:08:38]

mintee:

yep yep

[20:08:42]

mintee:

everyone's happy

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mkrufky:

where in usa do u live?

[20:09:05]

mintee:

are these sessioned logged somewhere

[20:09:11]

mkrufky:

yes, see channel topic

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mintee:

South Jerz... right outside of philly

[20:09:22]

mkrufky:

cool... in in englewood right now

[20:09:48]

mintee:

co, fl, nj, oh, or tn?

[20:09:51]

mintee:

:P

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mkrufky:

oops... here is the log: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

[20:09:56]

mkrufky:

in jersey

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mintee:

oh, cool

[20:10:01]

mkrufky:

and i live in brooklyn ;-)

[20:10:09]

mintee:

got a friend in queens

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mkrufky:

actually, i live closer to you than where i work

[20:10:12]

olds:

I live in candy mountain

[20:10:16]

mkrufky:

yeah, i grew up in queens

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mintee:

just opened a new office in verona... west orange.

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ben_goodger:

mkrufky: where is that? somewhere in the north-east, I know, but nothing more

[20:10:52]

mkrufky:

ben_goodger: where is what? englewood? 2 mi from the GW bridge

[20:11:03]

ben_goodger:

booklyn

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ben_goodger:

*brooklyn

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mintee:

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mintee:

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mkrufky:

Brooklyn is in NYC

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ben_goodger:

ah, very well

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mkrufky:

:-D

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ben_goodger:

my knowledge of geography is microscopically detailed within thirty miles of Lostwithiel, Cornwall, UK.. and microscopic beyond it

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mkrufky:

so, comcast, mintee?

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mintee:

mkrufky, here's my friends pics from the 4th.. atop a brooklyn building. http://www.flickr.com/photos/vomitparty/72962 . . . 00666384750/

[20:12:24]

mintee:

mkrufky yeah... basic, and HD-antenna

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mkrufky:

hah that's funny.... i had the same view on my friend's rooftop

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mintee:

small city

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mkrufky:

you'll probably find the same channels onthe clear qam as you receive on the OTA

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ben_goodger:

I probably should read up on things

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ben_goodger:

I can't even point to Utah

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mkrufky:

nobody says you have to be an expert on usa geography, ben_goodger

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ben_goodger:

true, but it helps

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mkrufky:

i can point to Utah, only because i know it's (waaaaaay) west of here

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mintee:

mkrufky, yeah? my antenna is about a 45 mile radius. but it's inside and not mounted. I'll be using the hauppage150 and the 5500 together.

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mintee:

the 5500's ntsc decoding(?) is kinda crappy

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mkrufky:

hmm... i'd be curious to know how many atsc channels u pick up on that antannae

[20:14:56]

mkrufky:

you're getting a bad analog signal with that card?

[20:15:03]

mkrufky:

it's got a very good tuner

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mintee:

oh yeah... but that's a known problem

[20:15:11]

ben_goodger:

meh, apparently most americans cannot point to iraq on a map, so I suppose I'm OK not being able to point to utah

[20:15:17]

mkrufky:

there is no known problem

[20:15:22]

mkrufky:

...unless your colors are off

[20:15:32]

mkrufky:

in which case, change contrast to 25%

[20:15:34]

mintee:

last i heard.. there was problem.

[20:15:41]

mkrufky:

i maintain that driver

[20:15:43]

mintee:

really?

[20:15:45]

mkrufky:

tell me about the problem, please

[20:15:56]

mintee:

ya know... it might actually be the contrast

[20:16:02]

mkrufky:

:-)

[20:16:10]

mintee:

like i said.. haven't actually got it working on my 42"

[20:16:14]

mkrufky:

ah...

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mintee:

just on a crappy 19" CRT

[20:16:27]

mkrufky:

dont bother trying to use the pchdtv in analog mode w/ mythtv

[20:16:34]

mkrufky:

it will look absolutely horrible

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mintee:

yeah, that's what i was talking about

[20:16:59]

mkrufky:

thats not a bug

[20:17:10]

purplefrog:

I'd like to get a nice compact mythweb report that covers certain time blocks like "monday night, sci-fi channel" and "sunday night, cartoon network" in a format that is similar to the title search of mythweb.

[20:17:13]

mkrufky:

the analog video on that card is a dumb raw video framegrabber

[20:17:25]

mkrufky:

that will never look good on myth — thats what pvr hardware encoders are for

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mkrufky:

it looks fine for live video though, using tvtime...

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mintee:

ah... icey. yeah, well i had this card in a box not too long again and the HD live playback was crap. found out it's because it was the processor bottleneck. it recorded fine and would playback crystal clear on my windows box, so i put this together and this is what I'm dealing with now. http://www.freshstation.org/~mintee/myth.jpg

[20:19:28]

mintee:

here's a question.... what about guide data for the HD antenna?

[20:19:50]

mkrufky:

eit is also broadcast in the ota

[20:20:00]

mkrufky:

it has guide data

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mkrufky:

.....or, you can use Zap2It for another < 3 months

[20:20:36]

mkrufky:

btw, VIDEO CARD!!!

[20:20:38]

purplefrog:

In the mythweb advanced search what format is acceptable for the "showings between" text fields?

[20:20:42]

mintee:

?

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mkrufky:

you dont need a crazy powerful processor to play back hd

[20:21:08]

mkrufky:

you need a good video card

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mkrufky:

and, unfortunately, the best route nowadays is to use nvidia's binary driver

[20:21:56]

mintee:

ya know... i've fondled that question in here for a few months.. back and forth from everyone. everyone and their mother... and it seems that nobody actually knew.

[20:22:08]

mintee:

i was in here like 6 months ago when i first picked up the card

[20:22:13]

mkrufky:

well, the cheapest way to go is the nvideo fx5200

[20:22:18]

mkrufky:

nvidia, that is

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mintee:

meh... well, what i have will be just fine ;)

[20:22:35]

mkrufky:

what DO you have?

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** mintee points at above link **

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mintee:

http://www.freshstation.org/~mintee/myth.jpg

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mkrufky:

on-board video?

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mintee:

7050

[20:22:58]

mintee:

yeah

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mkrufky:

ok, well, perhaps it will be supported.... perhaps

[20:23:26]

mintee:

my 6600GT was not proving to be of any use

[20:23:39]

mintee:

that's the card i had that was playing back choppy

[20:23:45]

mintee:

and the CPU was maxed out as well

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mkrufky:

there are all sorts of things you can do to fix that, without changing any hardware

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mkrufky:

XvMC is a good place to start

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** GreyFoxx is getting HDTV in 2 weeks, a week or 2 later I'm getting an HDTV capable display heh **

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mintee:

XvMC helped somewhat, but was still unwatchable

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mintee:

hey, that was then... no worrys now

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mkrufky:

heh ok

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mintee:

i'm gonna go head home now... i'll jump back in here in about 15 minutes. as m1nt3E or something

[20:25:35]

mintee:

:P

[20:25:36]

mintee:

thanks

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mkrufky:

hey, if you ever need my help, look for me in #linuxtv

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mintee:

Ah, right on. will do

[20:26:02]

mkrufky:

have a good one

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mintee:

u2

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GreyFoxx:

hmm I suppose I need to make sure firewire is setup on my backend if I want to record those HD channels

[20:26:32]

mkrufky:

....OR you can buy a dvb card, GreyFoxx

[20:26:50]

GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: No OTA here, and no clear HDTV on the cable

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mkrufky:

boooo

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GreyFoxx:

I already have 2 DVB cards reading the QAM stuff :)

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GreyFoxx:

with a little VLC + ,mythtv iptv setup so I can record 8 channels at once

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GreyFoxx:

off the single card

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GreyFoxx:

but now that myth's multirec stuff is progressing I might give that a shot

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mkrufky:

nice..... do you have to use the dummy device for that?

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jams:

wb GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: Nope. I have VLC tune the transport, split it into 8 IPTV feeds. I then add 8 iptv "tuners" to the backend and set them to recieve the seperate feeds

[20:28:29]

mkrufky:

thats sucha great idea!

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GreyFoxx:

jams: hello and about to say goodbye as I big my job farewell for the weekend hehe

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GreyFoxx:

s/big/bid

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jams:

doh

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mkrufky:

but, better off that multirec will eventually be ready

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: It's sweet since all of my 8 top channels happen to be on one transport

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jams:

guess i will wait a bit longer for the email

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mkrufky:

:-) awesome

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purplefrog:

Hmm, how hard would it be to get you to send me 10 seconds worth of that MPTS, GreyFoxx? I'm always looking for more samples for my work.

[20:29:24]

GreyFoxx:

so myth controls 1 card directly, and the other is done via iptv as 8 seperate streams

[20:29:44]

GreyFoxx:

purplefrog: Ask me again later tonight and I'll take snapshots

[20:29:52]

GreyFoxx:

jams: I'll send it tonight :) I have your email address :)

[20:30:02]

purplefrog:

actually, send it to thoth@tandbergtv.com .

[20:30:20]

jams:

no trouble

[20:30:23]

** GreyFoxx heads home **

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** purplefrog rereads. **

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jams:

i really really wish the settings screen respected the theme safe zone

[20:31:57]

jams:

i'm so sick of those buttons being offscreen

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** cry_wolf2 wishes snd-hda-intel would JUST WORK! **

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RogerM:

I'm trying to get User jobs working. I've now managed to queue some jobs manually in the frontend but somehow they wont start. I'm set up in mytht-setup, I've enabled them in mythfrontend. What am I missing?

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MiNtE1:

well that sucked.. got pulled over on the way home

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xris:

for talking on cell phone? (new WA law)

[20:57:53]

MiNtE1:

nah, expired registration

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mkrufky:

ugh, that DOES suck, MiNtE1

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MiNtE1:

stupid jerz

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mkrufky:

cell phones without a hands-free has been illegal in new jersey for a few years already

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mkrufky:

.....and you should see the fine for THAT...

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MiNtE1:

yeah. i don't talk on the phone and drive if i can help it

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xris:

mkrufky: $1068 in WA for violating carpool

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mkrufky:

i dont talk on the phone while NOT driving, if i can help it ;-)

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xris:

double for second, then triple, then bye bye license.

[20:59:13]

mkrufky:

damn!! xris

[20:59:13]

MiNtE1:

super cute woman officer

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mkrufky:

it was $125 in albany, about 4 years ago... i was in court for my speeding ticket when i say someone else get that fine

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xris:

mkrufky: honestly, I don't care about the carpool one.. seems most of the new traffic laws here (went into effect on the 1st) are pretty good

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xris:

carpool used to be $267 before this last raise

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mkrufky:

what is this 'carpool' law ?

[21:00:21]

janneg:

xris: QPixmap::grabWindow doesn't work?

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xris:

janneg: I tried it and grabWidget.. got a file out, but it was just static/garbage

[21:01:38]

xris:

and sometimes grabWindow caused the frontend to segfault

[21:01:56]

janneg:

yeah, you should use grabWidget

[21:02:26]

xris:

isaac thought that the opengl stuff might be getting in the way

[21:02:43]

xris:

or maybe my not having a clue was also interfering.

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xris:

heh

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sinthetek:

did that zap2it thing start yet? my program guide is not listing anything anymore

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sinthetek:

i ran mythfilldatabase manually and it said it completed

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olds:

september 1

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sinthetek:

hrmph

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janneg:

xris: if you have a patch I'll look at it and try it myself

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xris:

janneg: sorry, wiped it out last night.

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sinthetek:

that sucks, i guess i'll check zap2it site and see if for some reason my area has no listings atm

[21:06:31]

xris:

maybe I'll try to recreate it again tonight.

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MiNtE1:

here's another quic problem i've been getting. using the nvidia bins, when i CTRL-ALT-Backspace, it sends me back to a blank screen. If i hit up and enter (recalling startx) X comes back up, but i get now shell

[21:06:57]

MiNtE1:

sorry, totally not mythrelated

[21:07:09]

janneg:

xris: I'll do it

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xris:

janneg: I had just put it all into the remote control section.

[21:07:45]

xris:

would only be a few minutes for me to rewrite what I'd done.

[21:08:46]

sinthetek:

everything is showing up fine on zap2it.com

[21:08:57]

sinthetek:

just not reflected in my guide

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olds:

well your guide sucks

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olds:

;)

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mkrufky:

probably database problem

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olds:

yea

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mkrufky:

maybe you're using the wrong logon, or pointing to a db on thewrong ip

[21:11:20]

olds:

try clearing out everything in the program table

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xris:

sinthetek: what kind of data not syncing?

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MiNtE1:

anyone got a anon user\pass for zap2it so i odn't have to signup for a 3rd time?

[21:28:37]

xris:

MiNtE1: um, or just use one of your other logins?

[21:28:47]

MiNtE1:

here, i forget them

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MiNtE1:

luls

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MiNtE1:

from a few months ago

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xris:

no "lost password" option?

[21:29:23]

** xris wonders how the world's going to handle things when the listings aren't free anymore... **

[21:29:30]

mkrufky:

you need your own account in order to pull the correct lineups

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mkrufky:

xris: i'll be happy to pay for it

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MiNtE1:

gotcha... i'm just lazy right now. modelines still ain't working

[21:30:06]

MiNtE1:

getting flustrated... i'm going to go play with a soldering gun or something

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xris:

mkrufky: many people will...

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xris:

thankfully

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xris:

we also got a decent third-party donation to help with startup costs.

[21:31:29]

mkrufky:

ah, good... so there IS a solution

[21:31:44]

mkrufky:

...and i thought i'd have to keep quiet and not ask till 9/1 about it

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xris:

we're in talks with several parties to provide data...

[21:32:07]

mkrufky:

well, i am very happy to hear that

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mkrufky:

any idea of what the cost to the individual user will be? ...or is it still too early to say?

[21:32:36]

xris:

nothing as cheap as we'd like, but the user community made it pretty clear that $5/month would be about the most people would be willing to say.

[21:32:40]

xris:

s/say/pay/

[21:32:50]

xris:

but no, we don't know the actual costs yet.

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mkrufky:

ok, thats about right

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xris:

it sort of depends on which provider(s) we go with, and how many users actually sign up.

[21:33:08]

mkrufky:

a little more than i wanted to pay, but i'd still do it

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xris:

the long-term target is somewhere around $20/year but we have *no* idea if we can make that happen.

[21:33:58]

mkrufky:

well, that would just be perfect

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xris:

yeah

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mkrufky:

thanks for this good news, xris :-D

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xris:

we'll know more as people come back from vacation next week, etc.

[21:35:41]

xris:

an announcement will be made long before sept.1, though.

[21:36:18]

mkrufky:

well, a good thing about subscription by fee, is that we wont have to remember to fill out a survey within 10 days of the expiration, blah blah

[21:36:33]

** mkrufky loves credit card auto-payments **

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xris:

I want to see a lot of community value-added stuff go into things, too... with so many complaints about zap2it's incorrect data, it shouldn't be hard to create some way for users to update/maintain our OWN info for stuff.

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xris:

mkrufky: yes. good for users.. bad for people running this org (me, currently acting treasurer/accountant) who fear how many credit card transactions we'll have to keep track of.

[21:37:31]

mkrufky:

sounds like a good idea.... just want to make sure that no bad seed can fark up anything, either

[21:37:51]

mkrufky:

oh, yikes

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xris:

yeah. we'll find some way to work around that.

[21:38:18]

mkrufky:

well, id imagine that eventually there'll be a market for this type of thing

[21:38:25]

mkrufky:

and eventually there will be competition

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xris:

maybe.

[21:38:37]

xris:

TMS keeps a tight control over this kind of stuff...

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mkrufky:

so, ideally, this solution wont have to stay around forever

[21:38:52]

xris:

you can only get the data from them or gemstar (tvguide)... and TMS is the only one that provides data on canada.

[21:39:01]

xris:

so you either go through them, or someone else who does...

[21:39:03]

mkrufky:

ah, didnt know that

[21:39:29]

mkrufky:

hmmm, so, TMS and gemstar have absolutely nothing to do with one another?

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xris:

I've contacted a couple of local tv stations out of curiosity, but even THEY get the data from TMS.

[21:39:38]

mkrufky:

lol

[21:39:46]

xris:

which is funny, since TMS gets it from the stations in the first place... some wacky closed loop system.

[21:39:54]

mkrufky:

yeah, really

[21:40:31]

mkrufky:

i always think its quite amusing when i see a typo in an episode description, and then i see that same typo in every cablebox, every tv guide, every stb, every website, etc

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mkrufky:

well, the level of amusement depends on the typo, of course

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xris:

http://www.king5.com/tvschedule/ — tv listings on the website provided by TitanTV, who buys their data from TMS.

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mkrufky:

i notice yesterday, (while doing usbsnoop ona new atsc/qam device) that the SDTV channels have much better, much more accurate eit guide data as opposed to the HD channels

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mkrufky:

oh, in windows... (forgot that detail)

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xris:

interesting

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janneg:

mkrufky: as long as it's in the stream and not encrypted it shouldn't be a problem to parse it

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mkrufky:

nah, not a problem.... just seems that my provider does a mor thorough job on the sdtv channels

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mkrufky:

i wish we could use whatever system time warner uses for the box's normal guide data system

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mkrufky:

i know we cant, because it'll range depending on the provider

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mkrufky:

ok, im goin home.... g'nite guys

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matmil:

I wonder if I could ask someone, i have ubuntu installed on a machine connected to my lcd tv via vga and i have ben trying for weeks to get it to fill the whole screen and it won't

[21:54:29]

matmil:

i have black bits each side of the screen

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matmil:

i have tried everything i could find on google, and nothing will help, any ideas?

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AngryElf:

hey folks, when I run ./config of mythplugins I get a whole bunch of

[22:00:17]

AngryElf:

;cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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AngryElf:

i'm guessing it's a general problem with my libraries

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AngryElf:

how can I get rid of them?

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sinthetek:

weak, first i went to login and got this error... i tried again and it let me. after that i, i click on my lineups and got the same error i had gotten on upon login: The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. Please inform the site administrator of the referring page.

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sinthetek:

but now it won't go away

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sinthetek:

i wonder if that error could be related

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psofa:

anyone knows if latest minimyth can talk the latest mythtv svn-head protocol? minimyth says its 0.20 fixes 13243

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hads:

psofa: There's beta minimyth versions that are built from trunk

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psofa:

may i ask where are they?

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hads:

You may. I'd look on the minimyth site myself. They were there somewhere last time I looked.

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psofa:

lol im sorry, im so lazy

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psofa:

i wouldnt even follow the downloads link

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psofa:

:)

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gbee:

psofa: -fixes branch generally doesn't include protocol changes, so unless there haven't been any protocol changes in head, then no it won't

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xris:

!seen jonk

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TUplink_:

um.... how do i set the record settings so the files arnt so big

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jams:

TUplink_- lower the bitrate

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TUplink_:

where do i do that?

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jams:

in the tv settings screen,, recording profiles

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jams:

most likely you only need to change the default value

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TUplink_:

ok....

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TUplink_:

is medium ok.... about how many MB / hour

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jams:

lowering the bitrate will reduce the quality. So you will need to experiment with bitrate and what looks ok to you

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TUplink_:

how do i set the auto detect defaults to low?

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xris:

omfg, zap2it labs is shutting down, wh@t ev4r shall I do?!? (sorry, more crap on -users list.. funny in a painful sort of way)

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opello_:

wow, really (to the shutting down)?

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