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| [00:01:15] | Lunar_Lamp: | I really don't understand why I cannot connect to my backend from a remote frontend on teh same network. |
| [00:01:42] | Lunar_Lamp: | I have commented out the bind 127.0.0.1 in my.cnf, I have the right password/IP in the frontend config for the backend. |
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| [00:02:02] | Lunar_Lamp: | I opened the backend in a terminal session and get no output once it's running to indicate an error. |
| [00:02:13] | hads: | You need access to the database remotely too. |
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| [00:02:29] | hads: | Can you use the mysql client on a remote machine to connect to the myth database? |
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| [00:02:32] | Lunar_Lamp: | I evidently can access the database remotely as it can see what media is there :-/ |
| [00:03:02] | hads: | Then you probably need to setup the correct IP in mythtv-setup on the backend. |
| [00:03:26] | hads: | e.g. 192.168.0.27 instead of 127.0.0.1 |
| [00:03:27] | Lunar_Lamp: | hads what would be the syntax for that? "mysql -u mythtv -p [ip of backend]"'? |
| [00:03:35] | Lunar_Lamp: | hads, done that I;m afraid :-/ |
| [00:04:52] | hads: | mysql -h $HOST -u $USER [-p] $DATABASE |
| [00:08:11] | Lunar_Lamp: | ok, that works fine :-/ |
| [00:08:32] | Lunar_Lamp: | I can connect to the database from my frontend machine just nicely using that syntax. |
| [00:08:45] | Lunar_Lamp: | All I can think of is that perhaps mythtv uses more than one database and I'm using the wrong one? |
| [00:08:55] | Lunar_Lamp: | I'm using mythconverg |
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| [00:11:42] | hads: | Lunar_Lamp: No there's only one. Open that mysql client again and do this; SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value IN ('BackendServerIP', 'MasterServerIP'); |
| [00:13:22] | Lunar_Lamp: | http://pastebin.ca/603692 |
| [00:13:47] | hads: | There's yer probelm. |
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| [00:14:43] | hads: | Just making sure you read what I wrote before: Then you probably need to setup the correct IP in mythtv-setup _on the backend_ |
| [00:14:58] | Lunar_Lamp: | OK |
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| [00:15:12] | Lunar_Lamp: | I just run mythtv-backend-setup or whatever on the backend machine? |
| [00:15:39] | heanol: | mythtv-setup |
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| [00:15:42] | hads: | As it stands the backend is listening on 127.0.0.1 so other frontends can't connect to it. Yes, it's in `mythtv-setup` |
| [00:17:00] | Lunar_Lamp: | I need to change the ip addres in both places right? |
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| [00:17:34] | Lunar_Lamp: | Oh, and sorry if you said before what my problem was – i missed that you said I needed to set the ip on the backend rather than the frontend :-( |
| [00:17:49] | James2: | wow from the number of people this cant be shit then :D |
| [00:18:05] | James2: | i just stumbled on myth-tv having had problems loaidng xp mce |
| [00:18:28] | James2: | in media center the screen looks like someone is moving a magnet near it, as i press reote control buttons |
| [00:18:32] | hads: | Lunar_Lamp: 's'ok, it's a common mistake. |
| [00:18:37] | James2: | and dupliactes with multiple gfx cards, |
| [00:18:49] | James2: | i guess this isnt likely to happen with mythtv :P |
| [00:19:29] | James2: | firstly though, does it support the hauppauge pvr 500 card? |
| [00:19:46] | James2: | various others are listed, but not that specifically |
| [00:20:18] | Lunar_Lamp: | I don't use the card, but iirc, there is a specific option somewher ein a config page that refers to that card, so I think it would be supported. |
| [00:20:25] | James2: | ah nvn just found the answer to that in the links :) |
| [00:20:28] | hads: | James2: Basically if it's supported in Linux it's supported in Myth. So yes. |
| [00:20:30] | ** James2 starts it downloading ** | |
| [00:20:39] | synic: | is there an alternative to zap2it? |
| [00:20:53] | James2: | ok so whats the basic process |
| [00:21:01] | James2: | do i need a base install of a distro first |
| [00:21:18] | James2: | or is this a distro? |
| [00:22:52] | Lunar_Lamp: | James2, never used linux before? |
| [00:23:58] | Lunar_Lamp: | But no, mythtv is not a distro, so you'll need to install that first. Personally I like ubuntu, and it's the most friendly to newcomers also, so I'd go with that. You can install mythtv on it via the packages there. |
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| [00:33:24] | James2: | Lunar_Lamp: i run a linux based hosting company :) |
| [00:33:33] | James2: | never heard of myth tv b4 though :P |
| [00:33:41] | Lunar_Lamp: | lol, ok :-) |
| [00:33:45] | James2: | just been having major headaches installing xp mce on a pc for a friend |
| [00:33:56] | James2: | ive installed his whole home automation system |
| [00:34:08] | James2: | xp mce (from the packagaing) looked like the final touch for his bedroom touchscreen |
| [00:34:29] | James2: | fortunately we downloaded it before i'd actually let him buy it |
| [00:34:40] | James2: | and as i cant get it to work theres no way he's gonna be parting with cash lol |
| [00:35:03] | Lunar_Lamp: | lol |
| [00:35:15] | James2: | mythtv so far seems to support all our hardware, without the straining xp put on the system |
| [00:35:28] | James2: | and may have found me a use for my old xbox ;) |
| [00:37:30] | James2: | anyone know how to boot an xbox with a locked hard drive, or do i really need to buy that chip still ;) |
| [00:37:56] | James2: | or rather an unlocked hard drive, thought i'd locked it again before rebooting it, but apparantly not lol |
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| [00:41:34] | Lunar_Lamp: | hads, hmm, masterserverip and backendserverip are both correct now, but I still cannot connect :-/ |
| [00:42:08] | my2keh: | anyone here use LVM? |
| [00:42:31] | Agrajag-: | my2keh: yes |
| [00:42:52] | my2keh: | did you set it up right after your install, or later? |
| [00:43:23] | Agrajag-: | later |
| [00:44:45] | ShockValue: | bummer, my local PBS station doesn play the new bill nye science show |
| [00:44:58] | ShockValue: | nor American Scientific Frontiers |
| [00:45:22] | my2keh: | ok nice, did you follow the KM Howto? |
| [00:45:29] | my2keh: | I'm nervous about doing it heh |
| [00:46:10] | Agrajag-: | my2keh: i think i read both the kvm howto on the mythtv wiki and the tldp.org lvm howto |
| [00:46:57] | my2keh: | and did you lose your current recordings? |
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| [00:49:46] | rubberduck13415: | hey has anyone had any success with getting the mac os x mythfrontend running?? |
| [00:53:42] | Agrajag-: | my2keh: no |
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| [00:56:37] | Lunar_Lamp: | 2007-07–05 01:52:58.992 Connecting to backend server: 195.168.0.13:6543 (try 1 of 5) <== it's been like that for 2mins now. My frontend doesn't appear able to connect to the backend. |
| [00:57:22] | Beirdo: | Lunar_Lamp, did you restart the backend after reconfiguring? |
| [00:57:41] | Lunar_Lamp: | Beirdo, yes |
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| [00:58:12] | Beirdo: | Well, that's the leading cause of such issues :) |
| [00:58:15] | Beirdo: | dunno then |
| [00:58:17] | Lunar_Lamp: | ah, ok, now the connection timed out and told me that I should probably modify the master server settings and set the proper ip address |
| [00:58:28] | Beirdo: | did you restart the FRONTEND? |
| [00:58:29] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:58:43] | Lunar_Lamp: | Beirdo, well, I'll try rebooting the backend machine in case it didn't restart properly for whatever reason. |
| [00:58:46] | Lunar_Lamp: | lol, yes ;-p |
| [00:59:12] | Beirdo: | the other thing is to make sure that your mysql server allows connections from more than localhost |
| [00:59:30] | Lunar_Lamp: | Tested that earlier :-( |
| [00:59:34] | Beirdo: | K |
| [00:59:46] | Lunar_Lamp: | I was able to loign to the mysql server from the machine with the front end on :-/ |
| [00:59:57] | Beirdo: | good |
| [01:01:23] | Beirdo: | well, if yer in the US, take a break and celebrate the independence of your country by blowing up a little part of it. |
| [01:01:33] | Beirdo: | rough quote from Apu :) |
| [01:01:36] | synic: | is anyone else having trouble getting listings from zap2it? Or is it being down a normal thing? |
| [01:01:41] | Lunar_Lamp: | lol, I'm in the UK ;-) |
| [01:01:46] | Beirdo: | oh. |
| [01:02:05] | Lunar_Lamp: | I should celebrate by attempting to revoke their independance ;-) |
| [01:02:06] | Beirdo: | then celebrate getting rid of those ingrate Yanks by blowing up a little bit of your country? |
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| [01:04:31] | Lunar_Lamp: | Nope, rebooting the backend machine appears to have not solved my problems. |
| [01:05:00] | Lunar_Lamp: | Makes me feel better that I wasn't being stupid, but frustrated that I've no idea what I'm doing wrong. |
| [01:07:02] | cesman: | Lunar_Lamp: perhaps taking a look at your backend log? |
| [01:07:19] | Lunar_Lamp: | I think I've found the problem :-/ |
| [01:07:24] | Lunar_Lamp: | The backend doesn't seem to be running ?! |
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| [01:08:00] | Lunar_Lamp: | hmm, except when I start a new isntance it says "starting as slave" as other instance found. |
| [01:08:13] | Lunar_Lamp: | ps aux | grep myth doesn't show evidence of backend. |
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| [01:54:50] | James2: | Lunar_Lamp: what do the logs say? |
| [01:55:13] | James2: | does the client log log an error |
| [01:55:24] | James2: | does the server mention an incoming connection? |
| [01:55:27] | Lunar_Lamp: | James2, nothing of any use that I can see – so I'm reconfiguring my dvb card as I think that may have ccaused issues with the backend :-/ |
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| [01:55:45] | Lunar_Lamp: | It's taking ages to run the mythfilldatabase though (45mins so far) |
| [01:55:47] | James2: | can you telnet to your server pc? |
| [01:55:56] | Lunar_Lamp: | sure i can |
| [01:56:04] | James2: | or ssh, and can you make a telnet connection to the port the server is listening on? |
| [01:56:12] | James2: | if so does it answer |
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| [01:56:47] | ** James2 is going through the basics here, without even having had mythtv installed yet :P ** | |
| [01:56:47] | Lunar_Lamp: | Well, it won't atm as the backend goes down for the mythfilldatabase doesn't it? |
| [01:57:00] | James2: | now that i have no idea about :P |
| [01:57:06] | Lunar_Lamp: | hehe ;-) |
| [01:57:29] | James2: | but in general, on ce you (think) your backend is running |
| [01:57:35] | James2: | try making a telnet connection to it |
| [01:57:50] | James2: | and see if you get a response / matching entry in the backends log |
| [01:58:28] | James2: | whether you'll get anything human back is debatable, but any response is a good sign |
| [01:58:30] | Lunar_Lamp: | Happen to know the default port offhand? |
| [01:58:39] | James2: | no, but probably in the manual |
| [01:58:47] | Lunar_Lamp: | (to save me looking it up – I know I didn't edit it) |
| [01:58:51] | James2: | or the backend config file possibly |
| [01:58:58] | James2: | manual than |
| [01:59:02] | James2: | man <backend command> |
| [01:59:28] | James2: | or on the wiki no doubt |
| [01:59:42] | James2: | im still downloading the iso of knoppmyth |
| [02:02:31] | James2: | ah finished :) |
| [02:02:42] | ** James2 finds a blank cd ** | |
| [02:03:01] | adante: | telnet port is 6546 i think |
| [02:03:22] | adante: | mythfill shouldn't take down the backend |
| [02:03:24] | hads: | Yup, and the backend default is 6543 |
| [02:03:33] | Lunar_Lamp: | That looks right adante. |
| [02:04:07] | hads: | 6546 is the network control port though, which is the frontend. |
| [02:05:35] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, both give connection refused errors, but I'm not sure the backend is up yet as it goes down for the myth-setup and the mythfilldatabase is running as the last part of that. |
| [02:10:03] | synic: | can anyone confirm that zap2it is down? Try to add a lineup and see if it gives you this error: |
| [02:10:08] | synic: | The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it. Please inform the site administrator of the referring page.� |
| [02:11:08] | synic: | I'm trying to determine if it's just my connection or something |
| [02:12:52] | Lunar_Lamp: | Well, I get an error – no valid capture cards defined in the database message in my logs – and I cannot telnet in, or use mythweb |
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| [02:14:34] | Chicory: | !tuners |
| [02:14:45] | Chicory: | Hmm, no bot in the channel ... |
| [02:15:10] | clever: | MythLogBot is the main bot i think |
| [02:15:15] | clever: | !url tuners |
| [02:15:15] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword tuners |
| [02:15:17] | clever: | !url wiki |
| [02:15:17] | MythLogBot: | wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ |
| [02:15:21] | clever: | search that:) |
| [02:15:29] | Chicory: | Ah, well, see, I DID ... |
| [02:15:43] | Chicory: | But I haven't found the compatability *list* |
| [02:16:26] | Chicory: | I've found a lot of articles on the specific tuners and their own quirks, but I have yet to see a "Recommended Hardware For First Timers" or a compatibility chart. |
| [02:16:41] | hads: | SD? PVR150 |
| [02:16:46] | clever: | i have a real crappy card |
| [02:16:54] | clever: | and people keep telling me to get a pvr150:P |
| [02:17:14] | clever: | mine has a tuner but it isnt easy to use and i dont even try because i need the external tuner to get digital channels |
| [02:17:22] | Chicory: | hads: Honestly I won't know if I heed digital or analogue until I get there. |
| [02:17:49] | Chicory: | The cable comes standard in all the dorm rooms, but apparently they're reluctant to let me know if they're encrypted/unencrypted/anaolg. |
| [02:17:52] | Chicory: | *analog. |
| [02:18:16] | clever: | plug a plain old coax tv into it |
| [02:18:25] | clever: | any channels you get are unencrypted analog:P |
| [02:18:38] | ** Chicory considers this ... ** | |
| [02:18:48] | Chicory: | Isn't September the cutoff date for this switchover to digital? |
| [02:18:56] | Chicory: | Or is that September 2009? |
| [02:19:08] | hads: | That probably depends what country you're in. This is the Internet. |
| [02:19:56] | Chicory: | Er, the US. XD;; |
| [02:21:10] | Chicory: | The PVR-150 is very tempting for the price and compatability ... |
| [02:21:42] | Chicory: | Does the video have any washout or banding like VHS? |
| [02:23:03] | ** Chicory noticed that the company's screenshot looked a little ... iffy. ** | |
| [02:23:40] | Chicory: | Wait, wrong page! |
| [02:26:37] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, ok, I get an issue with my backend. It won't start as "no valid capture cards are defined in teh database", but there is one sat there fine when I run mythtv-setup. |
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| [02:28:31] | Chicory: | Er, why are there so many instances of different items on Newegg for the PVR-150? |
| [02:28:32] | clever: | my backends run even without capture cards |
| [02:29:07] | Lunar_Lamp: | clever, so did mine :-/ |
| [02:29:22] | Lunar_Lamp: | but that's all I can see that would cause the backend to not be running |
| [02:29:24] | clever: | i run a backend on my laptop which has no cards |
| [02:29:31] | clever: | and i set the master backend to never comflag |
| [02:29:38] | clever: | and set it so the jobs can run on other hosts |
| [02:29:49] | Lunar_Lamp: | It's the only error in the backend log though |
| [02:29:53] | clever: | so now the laptop is a dedicated comflagging box |
| [02:29:58] | clever: | try -v all |
| [02:30:00] | clever: | to get more msgs |
| [02:31:39] | Lunar_Lamp: | aha! |
| [02:31:52] | Lunar_Lamp: | "perhaps you forgot to bind video inputs to your card" |
| [02:33:32] | Chicory: | Er, what's the difference between the "1042" tuner card and the "1062" tuner card? |
| [02:33:44] | Chicory: | I can't imagine they're different pin-numbers, as they're both PCI. |
| [02:34:07] | Lunar_Lamp: | clever, thankyou for the "-v all" tip :-) |
| [02:34:13] | Lunar_Lamp: | Seems to have fixed it nicely. |
| [02:34:23] | clever: | :) |
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| [02:36:00] | psm321: | what data does the recordedseek table hold? and should it be huge if i havea lot of recordings? |
| [02:36:29] | Tanthrix: | Chicory: Some come with remotes / recievers, some don't. Some are retail, some are OEM. etc. |
| [02:36:46] | Chicory: | Er, yes, but as far as I can tell, there's no distinction between the two numbers. |
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| [02:37:01] | ** Chicory is using Newegg for all its worth with its comparison chart. ** | |
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| [02:38:09] | Chicory: | Although I wonder why this particular low profile model seems to have TWO coaxial ports. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116629 |
| [02:38:09] | Anduin: | psm321: seek info, yes |
| [02:38:38] | Chicory: | I mean, the PVR-150 has *one* tuner, right? Are the coaxial cables different in the PAL ant NTSC standards? |
| [02:38:39] | Tanthrix: | Chicory: One is for an FM antenna |
| [02:38:45] | Chicory: | Oh! XD;;; |
| [02:38:53] | Chicory: | That was really stupid. XD |
| [02:40:02] | Chicory: | The low profile one seems to state all its data rates; the others seem mum on the point or newegg's documentation is lacking. |
| [02:40:38] | Tanthrix: | You'll probably be fine with any of them – only thing I know about being trouble is that Hauppuage was shipping some PVR-150s that weren't really 150s |
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| [02:40:49] | Tanthrix: | But they seemed to replace the cards for anyone who called them |
| [02:40:53] | Chicory: | Yeah, the ... HDR-1600's. something like that. |
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| [02:41:52] | Tanthrix: | I suspect you'd be fine with any of them |
| [02:43:34] | Chicory: | Yep. |
| [02:43:44] | ** Chicory is doing the Newegg route and putting graduation money to good use. ** | |
| [02:43:48] | Chicory: | Thanks, everyone. |
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| [02:47:09] | clever: | psm321: the recordedseek has the seek data for all files |
| [02:47:30] | clever: | psm321: mostly the offset in seconds and bytes for every file every 5–30 seconds i think |
| [02:47:48] | psm321: | so that is stored in the db instead of the files themselves? |
| [02:48:13] | clever: | yeah |
| [02:48:21] | clever: | i dont think nuv files support that |
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| [02:48:38] | clever: | but hardware encoding cards dont use nuv |
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| [03:15:49] | ShockValue: | is "subversion" the package i want in order to get "svn" executable? |
| [03:17:38] | James2: | yes |
| [03:18:03] | ShockValue: | danke |
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| [03:30:39] | ShockValue: | gonna give xris's channel_icons.pl script a try |
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| [03:36:03] | Chicory: | So, I've ordered the PVR-150 ... |
| [03:36:22] | Chicory: | How much should I worry about configuring the backend when it arrives? |
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| [03:37:24] | Chicory: | I've read all of these howtos on installing MythTV on a clean install, but I wonder if I should use a journaling partition for performance, or set up the MySQL myself ... |
| [03:37:31] | Chicory: | Any suggestions? |
| [03:39:39] | ShockValue: | setting up the mysql is pretty straight forward |
| [03:39:54] | ShockValue: | install it mysql, load the data via a script, and configure some permissions |
| [03:40:27] | ShockValue: | there's likely a pretty good walkthrough assuming you're using a popular linux |
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| [03:55:22] | Chicory: | Any particular script you know of for Ubuntu 7.04? |
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| [04:00:30] | mikal: | Well, mysqldump will create a script which contains all your existing data |
| [04:00:42] | mikal: | And you then run that with mysql -e (and some other args) |
| [04:01:50] | Chicory: | Oh, nice. |
| [04:02:22] | mikal: | :) |
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| [04:11:48] | squidly: | can someone explain this for me. I keep getting Video Buffer time outs when I restart my system. |
| [04:11:57] | squidly: | but if I wat a couple of minues it works fine |
| [04:14:47] | ShockValue: | maybe run 'top' when you system starts to see what is running at first? |
| [04:17:10] | squidly: | ShockValue: I have looked at that.. nothing is runing with any power |
| [04:17:28] | ShockValue: | hrm |
| [04:17:41] | squidly: | just X g15deamon, slim, and the other normal stuff for a system |
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| [04:30:47] | ShockValue: | hrm |
| [04:30:59] | ShockValue: | these baffalo blue chips are neither buffalo nor blue |
| [04:31:09] | ShockValue: | ..but they're tastey :) |
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| [04:31:44] | squidly: | ok.. that also hurt |
| [04:32:03] | ShockValue: | trip over the power cord? |
| [04:32:05] | squidly: | I think it was the nvidia-drivers |
| [04:32:32] | squidly: | no I wish. Myth locked up the front end. I realized though this only started happeneing when I updated the nvidia drivers |
| [04:32:47] | ShockValue: | you know, i had that problem too |
| [04:33:05] | squidly: | the 9755 version? |
| [04:33:28] | ShockValue: | yep.. so i upped to 100.14.09 and those are working ok |
| [04:33:55] | squidly: | ahh you upped to the 100.14.09 version? |
| [04:34:43] | ShockValue: | yeah, i dont understand the numbering system. but it seems that 100.14.09 is an upgrade to 9755 (at least thats how its listed in gentoo) |
| [04:35:04] | squidly: | yea that is what it appears to me as well |
| [04:35:24] | ShockValue: | gotta go calm the dogs down and watch some fireworks.. gl |
| [04:35:32] | squidly: | heh thanks |
| [04:35:36] | squidly: | have a nice 4th |
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| [04:44:19] | ftoledo: | ftoledo: hi all |
| [04:44:19] | ftoledo: | ftoledo: i install mythtv on debian testing |
| [04:44:19] | ftoledo: | ftoledo: i can see any icon when run the front end |
| [04:44:19] | ftoledo: | ftoledo: i see the backedground and the whatemark but no the menu |
| [04:44:19] | ftoledo: | ftoledo: any idea? |
| [04:44:19] | ftoledo: | ftoledo: can i debug the start of the front end or somethng? |
| [04:46:30] | ftoledo: | i see in in mi cache theme dir that the images on "title" was bad create |
| [04:47:28] | Tanthrix: | ftoledo: Try mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt |
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| [04:48:01] | Tanthrix: | If glx isn't working right, you won't see the menus and stuff, just the icons. (I found this out when trying to do the frontend over VNC) |
| [04:49:26] | ftoledo: | io have glx with nvidia propiertary driver and dri set to yes |
| [04:49:42] | ftoledo: | same result with the Painter option |
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| [04:50:35] | ftoledo: | i will to reintall my nvidia driver |
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| [05:02:09] | ftoledo: | still dont work |
| [05:02:18] | ftoledo: | can i delete my cache the me dir? |
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| [05:03:13] | ftoledo: | he big icons shows fine |
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| [05:03:19] | ftoledo: | the big icons |
| [05:05:18] | ftoledo: | i change the theme a can the menu! |
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| [05:05:28] | ftoledo: | i cahnge too the render to opengl |
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| [05:11:04] | adante: | lol strangest self-tech support discussion i've seen |
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| [06:16:49] | ShockValue: | who the heck are you talkint to ftoledo? |
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| [06:36:53] | TTT_Travis: | I have an old AMD K2 box that is too slow to play most video, if I were to get a PVR-350 would I be able to play video fine on it? |
| [06:37:18] | ShockValue: | i dont think mythtv really supports the 350 anymore.. not sure thouhg, never had one |
| [06:37:21] | TTT_Travis: | or is there anything else besides a PVR-350 that will let me do the same thing but without the capturing features (since this box is only used to play video |
| [06:37:37] | TTT_Travis: | I am sure mythtv would work fine |
| [06:37:38] | juski: | TTT_Travis: I wouldn't bother if I were you |
| [06:37:48] | TTT_Travis: | juski why is that |
| [06:37:49] | juski: | you'd only be able to play back mpeg2 anyway |
| [06:38:19] | TTT_Travis: | xvid and divx are MPEG2 right? |
| [06:38:23] | juski: | nope |
| [06:38:29] | TTT_Travis: | oh |
| [06:38:34] | TTT_Travis: | 4? |
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| [06:38:47] | juski: | xvid & divx are mpeg4 based, which the pvr350's mpeg2 decoder is no help with |
| [06:38:52] | TTT_Travis: | ok yeah then that defeats the purpose |
| [06:38:56] | ShockValue: | hey Juski, you make Greyhem right? |
| [06:39:05] | ** TTT_Travis crosses out that idea from brain ** | |
| [06:39:09] | juski: | Project gheyhem yesh |
| [06:39:17] | ShockValue: | very nice, its the one i use :) |
| [06:39:19] | TTT_Travis: | is an Xbox able to play most Xvid stuff ok? |
| [06:39:27] | ShockValue: | although, i just noticed blootube.. might go try that out :) |
| [06:39:30] | juski: | TTT_Travis: yeah but it's noisy & fugly |
| [06:39:42] | TTT_Travis: | noisy as in loud? |
| [06:39:47] | TTT_Travis: | as in the Xbox unit? |
| [06:39:52] | juski: | ShockValue: knock yerself out. there's now neon-wide too :) |
| [06:40:03] | juski: | TTT_Travis: what? I can't hear you – my xbox is switched on |
| [06:40:20] | ShockValue: | yeah, the neon didnt do much for me... its well built I think, just not my style.. if you know what i mean |
| [06:40:35] | TTT_Travis: | don't mind the loudness and ugliness |
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| [06:41:00] | TTT_Travis: | I want a good frontend for my HDTV with HDMI (or DVI) so the Xbox won't work for that |
| [06:41:04] | juski: | linux on the xbox is SLOW, it's only got 32MB usable RAM once the video hardware takes its 32MB |
| [06:41:06] | TTT_Travis: | is there anything else cheap that will work |
| [06:41:33] | hads: | A computer :) |
| [06:41:36] | ShockValue: | TTT_ go steal a "not quite as slow" machine from your computer geek friend.. he has something in his basement :) |
| [06:41:55] | TTT_Travis: | I am my geek friend, but all of my halfway decent computers have a purpose |
| [06:42:14] | ShockValue: | bah, you dont need a p4 for your firewall :D |
| [06:42:55] | juski: | will you guys using old hardware think of Planet Earth for once & buy proper hardware print servers, routers, mail gateways & web servers? |
| [06:43:25] | juski: | an old p3 500 box uses a load more energy than say, a modern router ;) |
| [06:43:37] | TTT_Travis: | actually I am just going to build a new file server and use that — my current is 1.3Ghz thats connected to the HDTV (@ 720P) via DVI |
| [06:43:46] | TTT_Travis: | Athlon 1.3Ghz Thunderbird |
| [06:44:07] | TTT_Travis: | juski yeah I don't use them for anything like that (besides the file server) |
| [06:44:27] | juski: | heh. |
| [06:44:33] | ShockValue: | Juski – you prefer me to put my old computers in a landfill and buy new equipment? |
| [06:44:45] | juski: | if anybody does anything with them they should send their old gear to 3rd world countries |
| [06:45:02] | juski: | ShockValue: if it's gonna use less energy, yeah |
| [06:45:09] | TTT_Travis: | yeah so they can put them in there land fills!!! |
| [06:45:14] | TTT_Travis: | their* |
| [06:45:17] | ShockValue: | actually, i just switched my whole house to compact flourecent lights.. get off my case ;) |
| [06:45:32] | juski: | you have my sympathy then. |
| [06:45:40] | ** juski offers ShockValue a candle so he can see better ** | |
| [06:46:02] | ShockValue: | actually they're not bad at all.. i only really notice the difference if i look at the lights side by side |
| [06:46:22] | juski: | that and the flickering, bluish light |
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| [06:46:39] | TTT_Travis: | I like cold lighting :) |
| [06:47:00] | juski: | I'm concerned about all these bloody plasmas that burn 500W compared to a CRT's 150W |
| [06:47:02] | ShockValue: | you're thinking of the CFLs of a few years ago.. you can get fairly warm ones now |
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| [06:49:14] | TTT_Travis: | ok amazingly complex question: can I run TWO instances of Xorg, each with it's own mythtv instance running — the computer has two sound cards so have one mythtv instance output to sound card #1 and the other to #2 |
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| [06:49:41] | juski: | TTT_Travis: if you have enough CPU you could prolly get away with a hair-brained scheme such as that, yes |
| [06:50:01] | TTT_Travis: | plenty of cpu |
| [06:50:25] | juski: | although mythtv bases all its settings storage on the machine's hostname, so it'd be tricky to keep each frontend's settings apart |
| [06:50:45] | TTT_Travis: | just need to figure out a way to use a separate remotes for each |
| [06:50:49] | juski: | pretty lame idea really |
| [06:51:06] | TTT_Travis: | juski basically it allows me to use one computer for 2 TVs |
| [06:51:19] | TTT_Travis: | and just run a small cable to the room, since it's next door |
| [06:51:32] | juski: | still a lame idea |
| [06:51:41] | TTT_Travis: | ouch. |
| [06:52:08] | juski: | you configure one frontend to use one audio output.. that setting is stored based on the machine's hostname |
| [06:52:27] | juski: | how do you separate that from the other instance of mythfrontend using the other audio output? |
| [06:52:50] | TTT_Travis: | couldn't I just use a separate mysql DB |
| [06:52:50] | juski: | of course you can override settings with commandline values |
| [06:53:08] | TTT_Travis: | honestly I would probably use freevo for something like this |
| [06:53:18] | juski: | that's what you'd have to do – start each frontend instance with its own commandline options |
| [06:53:24] | juski: | freevo is shite though :) |
| [06:53:36] | juski: | freevo despite it's name isn't good at recording TV |
| [06:53:53] | TTT_Travis: | actually I don't use the PVR functions of mythtv, so Freevo is better for my purpose (watching recordings etc.) |
| [06:54:44] | juski: | blasphemer! |
| [06:55:57] | TTT_Travis: | the only real challenge is making LIRC work with both some how |
| [06:56:34] | juski: | 2 instances of lirc – hardly rocket science |
| [06:57:04] | juski: | but getting each to start on a given device node might be tricky especially if they're based on the same hardware! |
| [06:57:31] | TTT_Travis: | think I might give this setup a shot on a spare box tomorrow |
| [06:57:59] | TTT_Travis: | if I can make it work it would probably be a better solution then an Xbox for the second room |
| [07:00:06] | TTT_Travis: | btw what do you guys use for LIRC hardware? |
| [07:00:35] | TTT_Travis: | I bought a serial reciever for like $20 on ebay |
| [07:01:07] | juski: | my home-made serial receivers are very handy.. cost me nothing but time to make with spare parts from work |
| [07:01:37] | TTT_Travis: | how long do they take to make? |
| [07:02:31] | juski: | less than half an hour per receiver |
| [07:03:02] | TTT_Travis: | yeah I suck at soldering though so I probably won't attempt |
| [07:03:26] | TTT_Travis: | I just wish I could find a good place to buy them for cheap — I had to order the other one from like Europe or something |
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| [07:10:58] | juski: | http://irblaster.info/receiver.html |
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| [07:21:40] | TTT_Travis: | wow |
| [07:21:44] | TTT_Travis: | I hate you :) |
| [07:22:30] | TTT_Travis: | too bad that cabled costs so much more |
| [07:22:42] | TTT_Travis: | don't you need line of sight? |
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| [07:36:29] | mchou: | I'm a bit late to the party, but looky here: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070705/D8Q68M3G0.html |
| [07:37:22] | mchou: | lamer cablecos |
| [07:37:52] | mchou: | dragging their feet on cablecard and then turning around and charging us for some vaporware |
| [07:38:48] | mchou: | not to mention all dcts support cablecard already |
| [07:39:07] | mchou: | what a way to celebrate Independence Day |
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| [07:39:46] | mchou: | sigh. time to stop using the cable STB |
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| [07:42:34] | mchou: | buy my own QAM card instead |
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| [07:59:07] | conor: | anyone know why my recorded shows playback too fast (chipmonk voices :), while my live tv plays back fine? |
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| [08:01:05] | conor: | i can hit 'A' and drop the playback speed to about 65–70% and the video looks ok, but the audio is still off... |
| [08:02:05] | galorin: | I |
| [08:02:44] | galorin: | 'm noexpert, but can you tell me a bit more about your setup,and how lng this has been hapening? |
| [08:03:11] | conor: | just set it up, so it has yet to work correctly |
| [08:03:55] | juski: | recording profile settings will be the answer no doubt.. that's the only thing to differentiate livetv & recordings |
| [08:04:17] | juski: | perhaps changing the audio bitrate in the 'default' recording profile will help |
| [08:04:30] | conor: | k, i'll check that out. |
| [08:04:43] | juski: | if not, I'm sure a quick search of the -users mailing list archive will show some results to a 'chipmunk audio' search |
| [08:05:26] | juski: | although, the recording profiles all start out with the same parameters IIRC, so maybe that's not it at all |
| [08:06:02] | conor: | hmm, my sampling bitrates were different between the 2 profiles |
| [08:06:52] | conor: | i was having a similar problem before with live tv and changed the smample rate to fix it.. didn't realize that recorded tv uses a differnt setting |
| [08:06:58] | conor: | thats probably it, thanks! |
| [08:09:23] | juski: | well this is prolly gonna just invite problems this close to LRL, but I think I'm gonna have to move all the recordings to another drive |
| [08:11:02] | conor: | yup, looks like that fixed it. thanks! |
| [08:13:44] | juski: | np :) |
| [08:14:28] | juski: | so I guess you changed the audio sampling rate from 32000 to 48000 or something then.. |
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| [08:19:17] | hads: | Man vs Wild is pretty cool. |
| [08:30:32] | quicksilver: | is this neuros OSD thing any good? |
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| [08:47:06] | siXy: | quicksilver: if you want a cheap SD only frontend, it looks pretty good, yes |
| [08:48:28] | siXy: | nice and small too. its silent as well – but with careful design any frontend can be made silent |
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| [08:49:26] | quicksilver: | siXy: I'm not in the US, so it's academic interest |
| [08:49:36] | quicksilver: | siXy: but there was a story about them on theregister and I was curious |
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| [08:51:23] | siXy: | quicksilver: personally I would rather buy a nice m-itx case, a CF card and a fanless MB/CPU with an intel CPU – you should get HD playback out of that and will still be silent |
| [08:51:43] | siXy: | depending on the exact MB/CPU combo obviously |
| [08:51:48] | quicksilver: | siXy: I don't have HD, so that particular point is not important to me :) |
| [08:51:57] | quicksilver: | siXy: it looks like the neuros would be much, much, cheaper though |
| [08:52:08] | siXy: | quicksilver: neither do i, yet, but im sure i will eventually |
| [08:53:31] | siXy: | yeah its certainly cheaper. the m-itx solution would set you back about £300-£400 for SD and £500-£600 for HD |
| [08:53:53] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [08:53:56] | siXy: | neuros is about £150 iirc |
| [08:54:07] | quicksilver: | I'm vaguely looking for a cheap frontend-only for upstairs |
| [08:54:19] | quicksilver: | doesn't look like neuros will be a mythtv frontend 'out of the box' though |
| [08:55:03] | quicksilver: | looks like the MPEG4 issue could be a problem |
| [08:55:07] | quicksilver: | (I'm a DVB user) |
| [08:59:05] | juski: | quicksilver: dunno if it's any cop but I'll be seeing it this weekend :) |
| [08:59:19] | quicksilver: | juski: ah, well I will be interested to hear |
| [08:59:37] | siXy: | quicksilver: http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11471 somehting like that+ case + CF card == a v cheap frontend |
| [08:59:48] | juski: | main man is giving a talk.. the $100 linux media centre |
| [09:03:34] | siXy: | juski: be insterested to see how he got it down to $100 – thats impressively cheap |
| [09:04:12] | juski: | that's their goal I think – the economies of scale |
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| [09:26:58] | Cry_wolf2: | Slow channel today ? |
| [09:27:35] | juski: | hey sometimes people manage to get mythtv worky without supernatural help |
| [09:28:11] | quicksilver: | or, with *other* supernatural help |
| [09:28:19] | quicksilver: | like the fairy godmother coming down their chimney |
| [09:28:42] | quicksilver: | I think it's mostly quiet because no kiddies have hacked juski's site today (yet) |
| [09:28:49] | Cry_wolf2: | lol |
| [09:29:14] | juski: | hasn't happenned for ages – the monkeys must be happy |
| [09:29:25] | hads: | Maaybe people are watching their MythTV :) |
| [09:29:36] | Cry_wolf2: | How is the new licens comming along ? |
| [09:30:06] | MilkBoy: | if I have a DVB-C card in one backend and a DVB-T in another, do I need separate input connections for them (I think all channels visible via cable also exist on the terrestial)? |
| [09:30:26] | juski: | if they have the same channels you can use the same source for both AFAIK |
| [09:30:30] | MilkBoy: | err.. the other way around of course.. all -T are also on -C |
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| [09:31:06] | MilkBoy: | mmkay |
| [09:31:20] | juski_: | if you're in the UK you won't be using dvb-c though – that'd be VERY VERY naughty |
| [09:31:35] | MilkBoy: | .fi here =) |
| [09:31:46] | juski_: | and you certainly wouldn't talk about it in a logged channel |
| [09:32:00] | mchou: | hmm, this neuros thingy looks interesting |
| [09:32:06] | Cry_wolf2: | is dvb-c not allowed in uk ? |
| [09:32:25] | mchou: | bur why does the serial connector look like an audio jack? |
| [09:32:50] | mchou: | s/bur/but |
| [09:33:19] | juski_: | mchou: space saving :) |
| [09:33:21] | MilkBoy: | lol.. got my setup completely screwed up.. better start over I guess =D |
| [09:33:35] | mchou: | or when they say serial do they mean irblaster? |
| [09:33:36] | juski_: | Cry_wolf2: cable companies in the UK forbid you from connecting your own stuff |
| [09:33:51] | Cry_wolf2: | aha, how stupid |
| [09:34:09] | MilkBoy: | juski_: what? is that like legal? |
| [09:34:10] | juski_: | not at all |
| [09:34:11] | quicksilver: | possibly illegal and unenforceable, actually |
| [09:34:13] | mchou: | juski_: forbid as it's alw? |
| [09:34:18] | mchou: | law* |
| [09:34:25] | quicksilver: | but heck, I'd rather vote with my feet and just not use them :) |
| [09:34:28] | juski_: | forbidden in the T&Cs |
| [09:34:29] | mchou: | or a "request?" |
| [09:34:55] | juski_: | rather like BT used to forbid you from connecting unapproved phones to their network |
| [09:35:03] | juski_: | get found out, you get cut off |
| [09:35:12] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:35:17] | Cry_wolf2: | Well come to think of it..in sweden it´s not legal to connect anything to the phonegrid without it being connected to earth. Not that anyone care but... |
| [09:35:22] | juski_: | and quicksilver in the UK it's either cableco or $ly |
| [09:35:35] | mchou: | phones I'd understand, but dvb-c?? |
| [09:35:57] | mchou: | that's ridiculous |
| [09:36:02] | MilkBoy: | phones send stuff into the network, so crapu user equipment could possibly break something |
| [09:36:07] | juski_: | they just don't want the extra support burden, and it'll help keep theft of service down |
| [09:36:14] | hads: | Illegal gets thrown about a lot. Lots of things are against a companies T&Cs but that doesn't make them illegal. |
| [09:36:15] | mchou: | MilkBoy: exactly |
| [09:36:31] | juski_: | and a faulty dvb-c receiver could make a street box live |
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| [09:36:46] | mchou: | street box? |
| [09:36:54] | SiD3WiNDR: | live? |
| [09:36:54] | mchou: | what's street box? |
| [09:36:56] | juski_: | the cabinets in the street |
| [09:37:01] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:37:03] | mchou: | what BS |
| [09:37:23] | juski_: | I dunno what their motivation is – primarily protectionism & keeping support simpler |
| [09:37:47] | mchou: | it aint support |
| [09:37:50] | juski_: | $ly don't let you use your own sat receiver & CAM either – you gotta get theirs or else |
| [09:38:04] | mchou: | they could just say dvb-c is not supported |
| [09:38:14] | juski_: | they COULD just say that |
| [09:38:17] | juski_: | but they don't |
| [09:38:30] | siXy: | from their point of view they dont lose much of imporance by denying it – and they stand to lose potentailly lots by allowing it |
| [09:38:33] | juski_: | they COULD let people like me have a CAM & card too, but they don't |
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| [09:39:08] | mchou: | anyway, sounds pretty lame |
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| [09:39:30] | Cry_wolf2: | Nice not to live in uk then. |
| [09:39:47] | Juski: | yeah for that & a multitude of other reasons |
| [09:40:00] | mchou: | I dont seey how a faulty dvb-c device can inject stuff upstream, lol |
| [09:40:05] | mchou: | see* |
| [09:40:22] | Cry_wolf2: | btw, you uk guys...do you know whan SG Atlantis gets aired there ? You have been before US for a long time now. |
| [09:40:23] | Juski: | PSU going faulty could conceivably put mains voltages on the cable |
| [09:40:33] | Juski: | very unlikely though |
| [09:41:02] | mchou: | PSU going faulty means PCI aint gonna be powered, lol |
| [09:41:20] | mchou: | or at least not working, anyways |
| [09:41:42] | mchou: | not to mention it's DC |
| [09:41:42] | Juski: | they don't just mean PCs |
| [09:41:50] | mchou: | not AC |
| [09:41:56] | mchou: | TTL |
| [09:42:26] | Juski: | you can conceivably end up with 240VAC on the PCI bus if a PSU goes bad enough :-P |
| [09:42:40] | Juski: | not an approved-type PSU though ;) |
| [09:42:44] | mchou: | no frigging way |
| [09:42:51] | Juski: | course you can |
| [09:42:52] | mchou: | PCI is TTL |
| [09:43:07] | mchou: | aint no frigging AC component in there |
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| [09:43:18] | mchou: | that's what I mean by fry |
| [09:43:21] | Juski: | in some fault conditions you can get mains inputs going onto the low voltage rails |
| [09:43:55] | Juski: | way less likely with proper PSUs but it's not unknown in badly designed hardware in other areas |
| [09:44:24] | Juski: | bottom line with the cable companies is – they're the daddy & they're in control thanks very much. use their hardware or go elsewhere |
| [09:44:50] | mchou: | I dont know what dope you're smoking |
| [09:45:02] | mchou: | regarding PSU |
| [09:45:38] | Juski: | it's got a mains input which is high voltage right? insufficient isolation CAN result in those high voltages ending up on the outputs in a fault condition |
| [09:46:04] | Juski: | not likely but nevertheless still possible. to deny that and you're talking out of your arse |
| [09:46:08] | mchou: | rignt, in which case the PCI bus is FRIED |
| [09:46:24] | mchou: | or any TTL for that matter |
| [09:46:35] | mchou: | including chips |
| [09:46:35] | Cry_wolf2: | But won´t the very small components on the MB fry before the current even reaches the pci bus ? |
| [09:46:44] | mchou: | Cry_wolf2: same dealio |
| [09:46:48] | Juski: | yeah but you can't guarantee that the same high voltage won't also appear on anything connected to the outer reaches |
| [09:46:57] | Juski: | at least momentarily |
| [09:46:58] | mchou: | result is magic smoke escapes |
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| [09:47:39] | Cry_wolf2: | But what if there is current going to the chassi ? |
| [09:47:49] | Juski: | those little schottky diode clamps won't last long when there's a couple of joules going through em |
| [09:47:58] | mchou: | then you have a ground loop |
| [09:48:17] | siXy: | i guess a spike is theoretically possible. ive seen plenty of fried pci cards that have been lighting-bolted into extreme submission – its no impossible that some of that current could pass over the cable its connected to |
| [09:48:31] | mchou: | and there are plenty of ground loop isolators in the street box |
| [09:48:38] | Juski: | siXy: of course it's not impossible |
| [09:49:15] | Juski: | and of course there are protection devices in the street box, they're talking about minimising risk IMHO |
| [09:49:27] | mchou: | Juski: lol |
| [09:49:35] | mchou: | stop kidding around |
| [09:50:02] | mchou: | street boxes have isolators that protect against lightning |
| [09:50:22] | mchou: | a freaking ground loop is least of cablecos concerns |
| [09:50:25] | Cry_wolf2: | What if you strip the "cable cable" and plug it into your wall socket :=) |
| [09:50:43] | mchou: | dont be frigging ridicolous |
| [09:50:50] | siXy: | Cry_wolf2: then the street box goes pop i guess |
| [09:50:56] | Juski: | anyway it's all academic. even if you were allowed to connect your own stuff to the cable there's no way to legally decrypt pay channels because they won't give you a CAM – end of story. IPTV isn't gonna be much use either since there are already competing systems which use propriatary formats & hardware |
| [09:51:06] | mchou: | my cable co plugs AC brick to amplify their signals |
| [09:51:23] | mchou: | so whatever rationale they are spouting is false |
| [09:51:49] | mchou: | lol |
| [09:52:03] | mchou: | talk about faulty power supplies |
| [09:52:07] | Juski: | we don't get to argue with them – only vote with our feet. I did that & now only have their basic package – which we only use for live tv & internet access |
| [09:52:25] | mchou: | to AC bricks are phenomenally noisy and unreliable |
| [09:52:29] | Cry_wolf2: | Are the decrypting keys internal in the cablebox ? You don´t have a keykard ? |
| [09:52:41] | Juski: | you need a CAM and a key card |
| [09:52:56] | Juski: | they give you one key card & don't let you have a CAM |
| [09:53:20] | Juski: | sure I could use some other means but that's naughty too, so I don't |
| [09:53:26] | siXy: | ofc there are ways to illegally decrypt the paytv channels. #mythtv-haxor i guess would be the channel for that |
| [09:53:59] | Cry_wolf2: | Cam = the thing you put the card into ? |
| [09:54:00] | siXy: | but im not convinced theres anything decent on the tv pay or free thats worth record much less stealing |
| [09:54:09] | Juski: | siXy: exactly :) |
| [09:54:33] | Juski: | Cry_wolf2: conditional access module. it decrypts the stream using the key on the card |
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| [09:55:13] | Cry_wolf2: | Ok...think thats what i´m doing..legal here in sweden i think :=) |
| [09:55:38] | Juski: | it's not illegal here -just prohibited by the cable companies |
| [09:55:38] | siXy: | lots of things are legal in sweden it seems |
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| [09:56:36] | gbee: | any UK users recording from Freesat? (DVB-S) |
| [09:56:55] | Juski: | gbee: nobody in their right mind? ;) |
| [09:57:26] | Juski: | gotta have my fix of quiz & God channels :D |
| [09:57:29] | siXy: | out of interest – what is actually shown on freesat? |
| [09:57:38] | gbee: | obviously, but for the sake of the FAQ :) |
| [09:57:42] | Juski: | siXy: same as freeview only with a lot more cruft |
| [09:57:55] | Juski: | a LOT more cruft |
| [09:58:01] | siXy: | ah the joy of tv-cruft :) |
| [09:58:08] | gbee: | actually I thought it was missing several freeview channels |
| [09:58:12] | Juski: | religion, quiz channels, shopping.. |
| [09:58:23] | gbee: | I just need to know that it works ok |
| [09:58:28] | Juski: | ah yeah it's missing itv, five.. |
| [09:58:48] | Juski: | cos they're free to VIEW not free to air ;) you still need a CAM & card from $ly for those |
| [09:58:52] | siXy: | gbee: dunno never had the time to test it when i lived in a house with a sat dish |
| [09:58:55] | Juski: | which you can't get... |
| [09:59:10] | hads: | I believe they are called Sky. |
| [09:59:24] | Juski: | gbee: make a note about HDTV in the UK too – it's $ly or bust :( |
| [09:59:52] | siXy: | doesnt look like we are gonna get HTDV freeview anytime soo either |
| [09:59:59] | Juski: | unless there's any on the freebie sats.. but then it'll be a dog to decode – h.264 |
| [10:00:08] | hads: | It's like the kiddies saying M$ – looks silly. |
| [10:00:19] | Juski: | siXy: anytime soon == some time between now & 2020 you mean ;) |
| [10:00:52] | Juski: | hads the dollar sign indicates their love of ripping you off. the 'sly' part indicates their sharp business practices |
| [10:01:17] | Juski: | I've seen money+++ (Sky+) |
| [10:01:40] | Juski: | it's funny reading forum posts where "Oh yeah I missed that because it was raining" |
| [10:01:49] | siXy: | Juski: if it even happens then :( heard they decided to auction off all the spare spectrum from the analog switch-off as it was "good for consumers" as long as the consumer in question was the governments coffers |
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| [10:03:00] | mchou: | siXy: it's all trickle-down economics |
| [10:03:03] | Juski: | yeah of course |
| [10:03:20] | Juski: | and as long as the Murdoch empire maintains its monopoly of course! |
| [10:03:24] | mchou: | what's goodfor the goose is good for the gander |
| [10:03:57] | Juski: | you want HDTV? get Sky! you want a HDTV DVR? Get Sky! |
| [10:04:15] | mchou: | anyway, just think of all that spectrum for your $600 iPhone |
| [10:04:26] | Juski: | screw that |
| [10:04:42] | Juski: | the systm3 guys had the right idea when they got their iphone |
| [10:04:59] | Merlin83b2: | Did they add all the crap it's missing? |
| [10:05:04] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:05:18] | Juski: | expose it as being the fragile but pretty junk it really is |
| [10:05:52] | mchou: | apple 1st iteration is pretty much always junk |
| [10:05:53] | Merlin83b2: | If they launch that in Europe without adding the stuff all the other phones on the market add for free I'll be interested to see the results. |
| [10:06:00] | Juski: | the screen is glass ffs, hardly suitable for a hand-held mobile device |
| [10:06:04] | Merlin83b2: | Either people are dumb and will get them anyway ot it'll flop. |
| [10:06:14] | mchou: | but they rapidly improve subsequent generations |
| [10:06:38] | Juski: | yeah so who'd be an early adopter? ;) |
| [10:07:01] | mchou: | who said anything about adopting early? |
| [10:07:29] | mchou: | in 6–9 months apple will introduce another phone..... |
| [10:07:37] | mchou: | just you wait |
| [10:08:07] | siXy: | im waiting for an iphone to feature on willitblend.com |
| [10:08:23] | siXy: | the iPhone-nano maybe? :) |
| [10:08:46] | mchou: | no, a more reliable iPhone battery :) |
| [10:09:04] | mchou: | those were the days |
| [10:09:54] | mchou: | battery would no longer hold charge and a new ipod was cheaper than buying a new battery :) |
| [10:10:08] | mchou: | haha |
| [10:10:24] | mchou: | that's planned obsolescence |
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| [10:13:49] | jaume_: | can anyone help me? |
| [10:14:14] | mchou: | jasta_: not if you have an iPhone :) |
| [10:14:36] | jaume_: | i dont |
| [10:14:40] | MilkBoy: | =D |
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| [10:15:10] | mchou: | iphone as a myth front end. lol |
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| [10:16:29] | XLV: | i wonder whats the status of nvidia binary linux drivers and all the weid overscanning/underscanning/frequency locking needed when display is a htdv lcd/plasma/projector, anyone here uses such a combo? |
| [10:16:46] | XLV: | s/weid/weird |
| [10:17:45] | mchou: | XLV: huh?? |
| [10:18:39] | mchou: | XLV: dont understand your question.....just mess with xorg.conf, no? |
| [10:20:02] | XLV: | mchou, well, from what i hear, when output display is lcd/plasma/projector, you need many times to perfrom underscanning or overscanning to match display exactly, or lock vertical frequency to weird Hz like 56 etc.. i know that theoretically, with xorg.cong and xvidtune you should be able to do all that, but i wonder if anyone has first hand experience |
| [10:21:10] | Juski: | shock! horror! TV overscans! |
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| [10:22:48] | Juski: | if you get your desktop edges matched exactly to the sides of your display, there's still a chance that any video played back will have visible edges, black/coloured borders.. broadcasters still work on the assumption a viewer's display overscans |
| [10:23:34] | Juski: | so unless it's a ridiculous amount, say more than 5%, just live with it & adjust mythtv's GUI size & offset to compensate :) |
| [10:24:54] | XLV: | Juski, dont know really, just that i am in the process of buying a lcd hdtv, and in various forums i have seen people having problems with nvidia windows drivers locking in freqs and over/underscanning, they seem to prefer ati cause their drivers are more cooperative, so i thought i'd ask here whats the status on linux with nvidia |
| [10:25:59] | siXy: | XLV if youd asked that other day the answer would not have been pretty |
| [10:26:24] | XLV: | still using a crt sdtv here... crap quality of tvtuner ruins all the mythtv experience |
| [10:26:35] | XLV: | siXy, why exactly? its a valid question |
| [10:26:41] | siXy: | heh nevermind :) |
| [10:26:58] | siXy: | generaly its not a bad idea to have a little overscan on video playback in any case |
| [10:27:06] | siXy: | and you can resize the gui t fit |
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| [10:32:26] | siXy: | XLV overscan can be a pain in the ass, but its mostly fixable with correct modelines |
| [10:34:26] | Juski: | hmm I should look for a channels.conf file for Sutton Coldfield.. |
| [10:36:13] | GreyFoxx: | |
| [10:38:07] | Juski: | got one – well enough to test the aerial setup with tzap anyway |
| [10:40:24] | siXy: | ive got a pretty complete one – but as my rootvg died the other day i cant get at it easily |
| [10:41:10] | Juski: | can you just produce another one? |
| [10:41:28] | Juski: | seems I was mistaken – I only have a file for scan |
| [10:41:42] | Juski: | and scan aint much use if I dunno where to point the aerial! |
| [10:41:43] | siXy: | i could do if i had a working computer to produce it on |
| [10:41:54] | Juski: | hahaha |
| [10:41:57] | ** Juski googles ** | |
| [10:42:03] | siXy: | i can probably get into the VG and grab the old one – but not from work :( |
| [10:43:01] | Juski: | nm then, I'll find one somehow |
| [10:46:00] | Cry_wolf2: | ah, nvidia. Witch is the best driver to use ? getting the stuff today and I would like to make it right from the start. |
| [10:46:45] | siXy: | Cry_wolf2: nv has less issues but no hardware accelleration, so nvidia is much faster |
| [10:47:10] | Cry_wolf2: | Ok, så use the one from nvidia.com then |
| [10:49:03] | siXy: | Cry_wolf2: what distro? |
| [10:49:14] | siXy: | most have already built the driver |
| [10:49:26] | Cry_wolf2: | debian 4 |
| [10:54:01] | Cry_wolf2: | Just trying to figure out iff i´ll should use "the debian way" or "the nvidia way" to install the driver |
| [10:54:03] | siXy: | dont know anything about debian, really, but its probably packaged already for it |
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| [10:57:04] | siXy: | if its already packaged its probably better to use the pre-built package – less chance of something going wrong |
| [10:57:47] | Juski: | sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx should pick up everything |
| [10:57:56] | Cry_wolf2: | oh |
| [10:58:28] | Cry_wolf2: | Found a wiki page at debian.org...seemed much more complicated |
| [11:00:58] | Cry_wolf2: | with headers and module-assistant and stuff |
| [11:03:33] | Juski: | maybe it is- I just assumed debian would be very similar to ubunut |
| [11:06:26] | Cry_wolf2: | Yes you would think that |
| [11:06:42] | MilkBoy: | ummh.. mythtv-setup segfaults if I run it locally... logging in from my windows comp (cygwin x-server) it works =D |
| [11:07:45] | MilkBoy: | altho it's slow as "¤#%&#¤%"#¤ since I'm not inn the local network then |
| [11:10:47] | siXy: | you have a badly borked setup if mythtv-setup is segfaulting |
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| [11:11:15] | MilkBoy: | but it works if the X-server is my cygwin environment =D |
| [11:12:17] | Juski: | but nothing |
| [11:12:42] | Juski: | if it won't run locally, maybe try turning off all that rotating cubic desktop _nonsense_ |
| [11:13:15] | MilkBoy: | lol. got an almost default install of ubuntu 7.04 =) |
| [11:13:37] | Juski: | almost default? |
| [11:13:53] | siXy: | that rotating cube would be a cool channel change effect tho |
| [11:13:57] | MilkBoy: | well.. just a little tuned to have vnc and stuff ;) |
| [11:14:01] | siXy: | MilkBoy: then the almost is the problem |
| [11:14:39] | Juski: | siXy: would only be any good with multiple tuners & would be a waste IMHO |
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| [11:16:00] | siXy: | Juski: yeah i was just thinking about the multiple tuners :( would work with single if they are both on the same multiplex – and you coud always freezeframe on the old channel if they werent. but the delay in switching channels would probably break it |
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| [11:18:53] | Juski: | heh El Reg running a piece about Cebit 2008.. wonder how much it costs to exhibit there... |
| [11:18:58] | Juski: | sponsor us! |
| [11:19:55] | siXy: | maybe if everyone who has ever downloaded mythtv payed £100 you could do it :) |
| [11:20:19] | Juski: | that's such an unknown number |
| [11:20:35] | Juski: | impossible to know how many mythtv users there are out there |
| [11:20:44] | anykey_: | probably a few :) |
| [11:21:04] | Juski: | well there's me, siXy, anykey_ ... |
| [11:21:08] | anykey_: | hehehe |
| [11:21:10] | Juski: | that's three so far |
| [11:21:26] | anykey_: | and about 500 more that cried OH MY GOD, ZAP2IT IS CLOSING |
| [11:22:23] | Juski: | "Big fan of blootube – very professional looking. Looking forward to trying this new skin".. ARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU MONKEYBOY! |
| [11:23:51] | siXy: | lol? |
| [11:23:56] | Juski: | skin. FFS |
| [11:24:05] | siXy: | ohhh :) |
| [11:24:07] | anykey_: | hm Juski, you're named uppercase, why that? =) |
| [11:24:42] | Juski: | because I like capitalisation? |
| [11:24:58] | anykey_: | ok ok ;) |
| [11:26:23] | Juski: | bah still no finding a channels.conf for sutton coldfield |
| [11:28:48] | Cry_wolf2: | Bah, 12 hours and the postservice hasn´t transported my package 120 kilometers yet. |
| [11:29:10] | Honk: | lol |
| [11:30:41] | janneg: | Juski: Axel Thimm exhibited mythtv once at the hauppauge booth |
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| [11:33:35] | siXy: | janneg: was that because its one of the few PVR apps that are willing to be crippled by the PVR-350? |
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| [11:40:41] | AndyCap: | now, where's the h.264 pvr-350? |
| [11:42:25] | janneg: | siXy: I don't think so and I can't see how mythtv is crippled by supporting the hardware decoder of the 350. you're free no to use it |
| [11:43:22] | Juski: | the h.264 HDTV PVR350 :D |
| [11:43:48] | Juski: | right now where did I put my mythtv logo? |
| [11:44:14] | siXy: | janneg: but how many UI improvements havent been implemented that could have been if it hadnt been for the need to keep pvr-350 compatibility? |
| [11:44:58] | janneg: | they haven't be implemented because of lack of time / developers |
| [11:45:03] | Juski: | siXy: so far only one.. the menu fade |
| [11:45:19] | siXy: | ah well menu fade i can live without |
| [11:45:34] | Juski: | I already do :) |
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| [11:59:06] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, I can't connect to my backend at all :-/ I can connect to the database fine. |
| [11:59:27] | Juski: | maybe the backend isn't running anymore! |
| [11:59:30] | Lunar_Lamp: | When I try and telnet in on port 6543 I seem to get in as it gives me an escape character etc, but no more. |
| [11:59:52] | Lunar_Lamp: | Juski, it is, I can see it when I run ps aux|grep back on the machine running the backend. |
| [12:00:11] | Lunar_Lamp: | The backend logs just say that I timed out connecting. |
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| [12:02:05] | Juski: | the backend logs say it timed out connecting? to the database? you should check the login details for the database then :) |
| [12:02:30] | Lunar_Lamp: | I can login, even remotely, to the database using the same details :-/ |
| [12:03:19] | Lunar_Lamp: | Sorry, the timeout isn't to the database – I was very very unclear. The timeout is to the Master Server |
| [12:04:50] | Lunar_Lamp: | http://pastebin.ca/index.php <== is that right? Hostname for the master server being NULL ? |
| [12:05:05] | Juski: | course it's not supposed to be null |
| [12:05:39] | Lunar_Lamp: | I presume it should it be teh same hostname as the masterserverip – how can I make that be set? |
| [12:05:56] | Juski: | er.. in mythtv-setup |
| [12:06:11] | Juski: | and FWIW if it's all on one box you should've left it all at 127.0.0.1 |
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| [12:06:28] | Lunar_Lamp: | Well, it's not going to be all on one box. |
| [12:07:16] | Lunar_Lamp: | Right, in mythtv-setup though there is only a place to set the IP's for master and backend ip – both of which you can see I already set. |
| [12:07:20] | Lunar_Lamp: | :-/ |
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| [12:20:11] | siXy: | Lunar_Lamp: check the database tables then. its stored in the settings table iirc |
| [12:22:04] | Lunar_Lamp: | Well, I think I've fixed it by setting both the ip's back to 127... and then back to the network ips in mythtv-set :-/ |
| [12:22:09] | Lunar_Lamp: | *mythtv-setup |
| [12:23:27] | siXy: | ok – probably didnt update database correctly 1st time |
| [12:24:16] | Lunar_Lamp: | Yeah, seems odd, but hey, working now :-/ |
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| [12:28:46] | siXy: | its only a mysql database – mysql is short on data integrity |
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| [12:32:15] | chuck: | I just looked at my CPU usage. For nvidia mx440, athlon 1700+, 512MB ram, does 55% cpu usage for live tv seem ok? (40% for recordings also) |
| [12:33:47] | anykey_: | chuck: framegrabber? |
| [12:36:06] | chuck: | anykey_: not sure what you mean exactly. i don't know what framegrabber is really. you asking if it is turned on now? |
| [12:37:44] | anykey_: | chuck: what tv card do you have? |
| [12:37:54] | chuck: | avermedia m179 |
| [12:38:49] | chuck: | should have onboard hardware encoding |
| [12:38:52] | chuck: | (I think) |
| [12:39:13] | anykey_: | I think those 40% for recordings are pretty high then |
| [12:39:21] | chuck: | hmm... |
| [12:39:24] | anykey_: | if it has *hardware* encoding |
| [12:39:53] | chuck: | i was under the impression that it does. its supposed to be very similar to the hauppauge 250 card |
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| [12:40:06] | chuck: | maybe a driver problem |
| [12:50:15] | Cry_wolf2: | wee, packets arrived....will be back later with questions :) |
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| [15:11:20] | masonsjax: | OMG, did you guys know zap2it is discontinuing the feeds? I CAN HAS REPLACEMENT?!11 |
| [15:11:52] | Juski: | ZOMG! that's awful news! we had no idea!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [15:12:25] | siXy: | hehe |
| [15:12:51] | Juski: | so what's to do? going around with tar & feathers then find the guys who were selling data to the commies? |
| [15:13:12] | Juski: | hanging's too good fer 'em let's face it |
| [15:13:24] | jduggan: | so ehm, y'all be sitting there inputting data outta your weekly tv times magazine ;) |
| [15:13:27] | jams: | i can has replacment ? |
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| [15:15:35] | masonsjax: | jams: google for lolcat |
| [15:16:12] | masonsjax: | http://icanhascheezburger.com/ |
| [15:16:25] | masonsjax: | althogh jokes arent funny when you have to splain em |
| [15:16:30] | jams: | hehe |
| [15:16:33] | jams: | true |
| [15:17:41] | masonsjax: | in fact, i dont really find that particular meme that funny anyway |
| [15:18:38] | mkrufky: | out of all new words i could learn today, i never thought 'lolcat' would ever be one of them |
| [15:19:26] | mkrufky: | i think those "macros" are more cute than funny... i'll have to upload some of my own |
| [15:21:24] | mkrufky: | all your base are belong to us |
| [15:21:39] | Juski: | weird foreigners & their crazy sayings |
| [15:25:33] | masonsjax: | engrish ftw |
| [15:25:46] | hensema: | on the internet foreigners are defined as those unable to speak IP |
| [15:26:53] | Juski: | or mysql |
| [15:27:34] | Juski: | or install mythtv unaided.. muhahahaha |
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| [15:37:40] | ubuntuEdgy: | hi |
| [15:38:05] | cesman: | hello |
| [15:38:12] | Juski: | hiya cesman |
| [15:38:53] | Juski: | not long til LRL now :) |
| [15:39:12] | cesman: | hey Juski |
| [15:39:17] | cesman: | how are you? |
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| [15:39:38] | Juski: | great thanks. got over my outrage at tvease selling a box with my themes on it :) |
| [15:42:12] | siXy: | wow thats a bit cheeky |
| [15:42:35] | Juski: | my themes are GPL so they're entitled after all. no more GPL themes in future |
| [15:42:51] | ubuntuEdgy: | why |
| [15:43:14] | ubuntuEdgy: | they are selling your themes ? |
| [15:43:18] | Juski: | that kinda implies there'll be new themes in time.. and you know me.. I just can't stop :) |
| [15:43:40] | ubuntuEdgy: | or just selling a box that has your thems |
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| [15:44:33] | ubuntuEdgy: | confused, i don't even know what the GPL says on this |
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| [15:46:04] | MilkBoy: | mmkay.. now it seems to be working =) backend 1 records + transcodes something old, backend 2 records and commflags both recordings |
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| [15:49:05] | ubuntuEdgy: | can i have some feedback guys, http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotqi8.png |
| [15:49:17] | MilkBoy: | altho transcoding is a little slower than normal with 2 recordings and 2 commflaggings going on at the same time (master shares the storage using nfs) |
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| [15:53:34] | ShiftyPowers: | man reiserfs is a POS |
| [15:53:39] | ShiftyPowers: | anyone run RAID5 here? |
| [15:53:42] | ShiftyPowers: | software RAID5? |
| [15:53:50] | MilkBoy: | anyonne know of some kind of USB DVB-C-gadget? |
| [15:54:55] | ShiftyPowers: | ubuntuEdgy, to be honest, if that is a theme, i'm not too keen on it...seems too light |
| [15:55:18] | Lunar_Lamp: | ShiftyPowers, possibly, but I can see how some people would like it |
| [15:55:29] | ShiftyPowers: | true |
| [15:55:30] | ubuntuEdgy: | i was tood it was to bright las time i asked for feedback |
| [15:55:35] | ShiftyPowers: | didn't mean to sound mean |
| [15:55:43] | Lunar_Lamp: | I'm confused about the big green arrow though |
| [15:55:46] | ubuntuEdgy: | told* |
| [15:55:58] | Lunar_Lamp: | Also, to be picky, the "TV" selection seems a little too far left. |
| [15:56:16] | Lunar_Lamp: | (almost like it's left-aligned in it's section rather than centre-aligned like the others) |
| [15:56:18] | siXy: | ShiftyPowers: why would anyone run RAID 5 out of choice? |
| [15:56:37] | Juski: | why would anybody store TV on RAID anyway? |
| [15:56:47] | ShiftyPowers: | sorry i mispoke |
| [15:56:53] | ShiftyPowers: | what i have is a large LVM array now |
| [15:56:56] | ShiftyPowers: | running reiserfs |
| [15:56:59] | ShiftyPowers: | that stores a lot of my video |
| [15:57:01] | Juski: | isn't it all disposable ? ;) |
| [15:57:03] | ShiftyPowers: | it's not my Myth drive |
| [15:57:15] | ShiftyPowers: | my Mythdrive is a JFS LVM |
| [15:57:16] | siXy: | ubuntuEdgy: it seems a little plain – perhaps work on the font and colour scheme a little? |
| [15:57:27] | ShiftyPowers: | what happened is that my reiserfs drive has gotten corrupted |
| [15:57:28] | siXy: | JFS?? *why*? |
| [15:57:31] | ShiftyPowers: | lots of errors |
| [15:57:35] | ShiftyPowers: | don't ask me why jfs |
| [15:57:38] | ShiftyPowers: | i did it and regret it |
| [15:57:41] | ShiftyPowers: | and will reformat soon |
| [15:57:45] | siXy: | yeah well if you must use jfs at least use jfs2 |
| [15:57:54] | ubuntuEdgy: | i shall make it bright an see if its any better |
| [15:57:55] | ShiftyPowers: | but isn't RAID5 better for redundancy on the non Mythdrive? |
| [15:57:59] | Lunar_Lamp: | Also, ubuntuEdgy, the text, you have shadows by default, but lose the shadows when selected. That doesn't seem quite right, but maybe it works when you're using it rather than just seeing a screenshot. |
| [15:58:13] | siXy: | your errors are probably to do with not enabling large file support which you have to do manaully on jfs |
| [15:58:16] | olds: | I used xfs I think |
| [15:58:25] | ShiftyPowers: | no no, the jfs partition is fine |
| [15:58:38] | ShiftyPowers: | it's the reiserfs drive (which has all my other non-mthtv videos, music, etc) |
| [15:58:49] | ShiftyPowers: | that one has ahd a bunch of errors after running reiserfsck |
| [15:59:11] | Lunar_Lamp: | Also, to critique the design somewhat ubuntuEdgy, it seems like the top half of the screen is a little empty, maybe if you switched the text from midway to 1/3rd down the screen? Not trying to be harsh, just trying to help out – I always like to hear lots of suggestions myself. |
| [15:59:18] | siXy: | ShiftyPowers: raid5 is just RAID1+0 for people that can't afford it |
| [15:59:29] | ** Juski is done helping people make themes ** | |
| [15:59:31] | ShiftyPowers: | i understand that |
| [15:59:39] | olds: | raid6++ |
| [15:59:40] | ShiftyPowers: | so what's the best in your opinion |
| [15:59:49] | ShiftyPowers: | for one large drive where I can store lots of stuff over various drives |
| [15:59:50] | ShiftyPowers: | ? |
| [15:59:51] | olds: | if you have a raid card that supports it |
| [15:59:56] | ubuntuEdgy: | Lunar_Lamp: notes taken |
| [16:00:17] | siXy: | dont bother with raid and just take backups regualrly would be my advie |
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| [16:00:27] | Lunar_Lamp: | ubuntuEdgy, btw, how are you finding the ease of making a theme? I was thinking of doing one myself :-) |
| [16:00:40] | ShiftyPowers: | yeah but it's hard to back up 400gig of tv shows, music, etc |
| [16:00:40] | Juski: | oh ffs we've got enough non-lame themes now :) |
| [16:00:46] | ShiftyPowers: | i backup the important stuff |
| [16:00:48] | ShiftyPowers: | like my pictures |
| [16:00:59] | ShiftyPowers: | but now i had a drive show a bunch of errors |
| [16:01:08] | ShiftyPowers: | and it's annoying ot have to lose some of those files |
| [16:01:17] | ubuntuEdgy: | Lunar_Lamp:do make one. |
| [16:01:46] | Juski: | Lunar_Lamp: if you really wanna know, be prepared to put in a lot of hours. it's not HARD but by God it takes time |
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| [16:02:13] | ubuntuEdgy: | Lunar_Lamp: its not easy when you don't have a clue. but lots of people have the wisdom here |
| [16:02:20] | Juski: | and your prospective audience ain't exactly the most appreciative of animals! |
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| [16:02:51] | Juski: | "great work BUT" "nice work BUT" "thanks for the hard work BUT" |
| [16:03:15] | Juski: | the curse of open source I call it |
| [16:03:18] | Lunar_Lamp: | Juski, is it the graphical work that takes the time, or the xml type stuff? |
| [16:03:22] | siXy: | ShiftyPowers: run it overnight as a cronjob from one disk to another, much less chance of screwing up your recordings than using RAID |
| [16:03:41] | Lunar_Lamp: | Juski, heh, I'm very much used to that response, though actually, I'm more used to "so what if it;s better, it's not perfect" |
| [16:03:44] | ShiftyPowers: | siXy, you mean run backup? |
| [16:04:01] | ShiftyPowers: | i see what you mean |
| [16:04:02] | Juski: | Lunar_Lamp: depends on the kind of detail you want to get into. you can spend many an hour trying to get an arrow to line up in a screen only to find out it never will because its position is hard-coded |
| [16:04:15] | Lunar_Lamp: | Juski, ouch :-/ |
| [16:04:30] | siXy: | yeah. you can use tar with error checking – that works well – dont use compression tho you cant really compress recordings much |
| [16:04:35] | Juski: | these days I just tend to submit a patch to snuff that sort of thing out :) |
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| [16:04:44] | Lunar_Lamp: | So unless you submit the patch upstream to un-hardcode the arrow, you're screwed? |
| [16:04:48] | Lunar_Lamp: | lol |
| [16:05:00] | mkrufky: | countdown to RTFM alert |
| [16:05:03] | mkrufky: | 5 |
| [16:05:03] | Lunar_Lamp: | Alas, I probably don't have the skills for patch submission to myth (yet) |
| [16:05:03] | Juski: | not screwed so much, but a theme can be sub-optimal shall we say |
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| [16:05:12] | mkrufky: | 4 |
| [16:05:22] | Juski: | Lunar_Lamp: I'm not the most accomplished of coders either lol |
| [16:05:30] | ubuntuEdgy: | i once had done about 80% of my theme but didn't back it up, and lost even thing. |
| [16:06:07] | TSCHAKWerk: | Juski: but that's still miles better than god's gift to coders who never contributes. :-) |
| [16:06:07] | ubuntuEdgy: | made it a little bright http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/4392/screenshot1ua9.png |
| [16:06:15] | olsta: | hi i found this tutorial on the web http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_HVR_1100 |
| [16:06:16] | Lunar_Lamp: | ubuntuEdgy, heh, on my birthday in march I turned on my laptop to find the hard drive and catastrophically failed with no restoration possible. I had all my work backed up, but had to re-rip over 250 cds :-( |
| [16:06:18] | gbee: | ubuntuEdgy: heh, I did that with the only map I ever created for Quake 2, never bothered again |
| [16:06:30] | mkrufky: | ....bomb diffused |
| [16:06:37] | siXy: | ShiftyPowers: as for your reiserfs errors, i would reccomend posting them on rafb for people to take a look at |
| [16:06:39] | Juski: | I'm a big advocate of rolling up one's sleeves & *trying* |
| [16:06:45] | olsta: | but here i get errors irrecord -d /dev/input/eventX HVR-1100 |
| [16:06:53] | siXy: | mkrufky: heh :) |
| [16:06:57] | olsta: | irrecord -d /dev/input/event1 HVR-1100 |
| [16:07:08] | Lunar_Lamp: | ubuntuEdgy, that looks better I think, but I still don't get the big green arrow :-/ |
| [16:07:14] | Juski: | the other devs are generally helpful & give enough hints so long as you're not TOO needy |
| [16:07:17] | ShiftyPowers: | siXy, what's rafb? |
| [16:07:25] | siXy: | http://rafb.net |
| [16:07:28] | mkrufky: | ShiftyPowers: http://rafb.net/paste |
| [16:07:32] | ShiftyPowers: | a |
| [16:07:35] | ShiftyPowers: | ah like pastebin |
| [16:07:39] | mkrufky: | ...but better! |
| [16:07:43] | siXy: | yeah but less slow :) |
| [16:07:48] | Juski: | better n' pasteybins? nahhhhh |
| [16:07:50] | ** TSCHAKWerk is listening to Bill Hicks: Revelations ** | |
| [16:07:59] | Lunar_Lamp: | Juski, aye, the mythtv team don't have a great reputation for being nice and friendly :-/ (at least from my perspective and what I've heard) |
| [16:08:04] | olsta: | someone can help? |
| [16:08:14] | gbee: | pastebin.ca is fast enoug, .com is usually useless |
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| [16:08:24] | mkrufky: | Lunar_Lamp: people in here are _much_ friendlier than people in ##php |
| [16:08:26] | Juski: | if you ever get a chance don't read Bill Hicks' book – same chapter over & over again. lame as f.... |
| [16:08:46] | Juski: | Lunar_Lamp: bullshit. ask the right questions the right way & even mchou is nice |
| [16:08:51] | Juski: | :-P |
| [16:08:52] | AndyCap: | look like we got ourselves a reader |
| [16:09:12] | ubuntuEdgy: | yeah took me some months and lost of motivation from juski's themes. before i could think about making the some theme again |
| [16:09:13] | Lunar_Lamp: | mkrufky, I wasn't saying that I'd found it that way at all, but that was my impression before I asked for help the first time. |
| [16:09:19] | ** Juski runs from the baying posse ** | |
| [16:09:31] | ubuntuEdgy: | can some one explain why the arrow is there > |
| [16:09:31] | gbee: | Lunar_Lamp: not really true, we're a nice friendly bunch but with a low tolerence for idiots |
| [16:09:40] | mkrufky: | ah, ok Lunar_Lamp |
| [16:09:56] | Juski: | "readin' brings chayngees.. we don' laaayke chayngees" |
| [16:10:00] | Lunar_Lamp: | gbee, aye, that seems to be about right :-) |
| [16:10:23] | TSCHAKWerk: | "Pick up the gun..." |
| [16:10:34] | TSCHAKWerk: | "I don't want to, mister." |
| [16:10:38] | TSCHAKWerk: | "Pick it up..." |
| [16:10:45] | Juski: | "oo arrr, he's ran orf down that ways.. t'wards yon wicker man!" |
| [16:11:05] | AndyCap: | Y'all saw him, he had a gun! |
| [16:11:21] | gbee: | there is also a vocal minority of people who got really upset when we rejected their patches or ideas and they've been known to go around moaning about Isaac and suggesting that mythtv's code is crap etc |
| [16:12:05] | ubuntuEdgy: | i have been trying to have different backgrounds. for all the tv,music,video, but cant find a theme that dose this. |
| [16:12:12] | gbee: | that group seem to think their opinion is more important than everyone elses and that we should be grateful for their advice and patches :) |
| [16:12:15] | Juski: | or there's those folks who are foolish enough to post 'usability reviews' on the mailing lists. Oh boy they get what's coming to em |
| [16:12:48] | TSCHAKWerk: | well, I wouldn't mind that, if they attached a patch to the bottom of the mail |
| [16:12:51] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-P |
| [16:13:11] | ** TSCHAKWerk does usability work as part of his 50,000 hats at his job :-P ** | |
| [16:13:13] | AndyCap: | speaking of usability, are anyone working on mythmusic? |
| [16:13:35] | Juski: | one thing I didn't get the chance to pull anybody at LRL about last year was the fact an assumption had been made that everybody who flamed Jono on the -dev list wasn't necessarily anybody who'd ever contributed a line of code let alone been called a developer! |
| [16:13:50] | ubuntuEdgy: | Lunar_Lamp: if you have spare time we can work together on this theme |
| [16:14:05] | Juski: | er.. I mean it'd been assumed that they were devs when more than likely they weren't |
| [16:14:26] | siXy: | AndyCap: albumart is coming i hear |
| [16:14:30] | Juski: | we've not had a good lynchin' for ages |
| [16:14:42] | AndyCap: | siXy: well, hello. :) |
| [16:15:03] | Juski: | I said 'eventually' which kinda means 'maybe' |
| [16:15:05] | AndyCap: | siXy: meh, screw albumart, usability, as in not having to be the developer to figure it out in 5 minutes.. :) |
| [16:15:05] | siXy: | hi :) |
| [16:15:42] | Juski: | AndyCap: suggest improvements, make UI mockups / do SOMETHING |
| [16:15:53] | Juski: | don't just stand there saying it sucks :) |
| [16:16:00] | gbee: | AndyCap: yeah I'm working on it, but no promises |
| [16:16:10] | TSCHAKWerk: | or we'll give you a group mushroom printing |
| [16:16:13] | siXy: | AndyCap: actually in trms of useability its not terrible unless you have a very large music collection or lots of singles |
| [16:16:22] | TSCHAKWerk: | or tea bagging, your choice. |
| [16:16:37] | Juski: | mushroom printing? wth? |
| [16:16:43] | AndyCap: | TSCHAKWerk: tea bagging now? not sure you'd like that. |
| [16:16:54] | gbee: | I've never really found mythmusic hard to understand if I'm honest, so although there is room for improvement I'm not quite sure what people mean when they complain about it |
| [16:17:20] | siXy: | gbee: its fine until you have a large music collection i find |
| [16:17:30] | Juski: | I'd love to hear of _any_ player that makes it a pleasure to deal with big collections of music |
| [16:17:48] | Juski: | hell even just owning a lot of records is a nightmare lol |
| [16:17:49] | siXy: | instead of a single scrolling vertical menu a grid makes it easier |
| [16:17:56] | TSCHAKWerk: | yes it is... |
| [16:17:58] | Juski: | faster you mean |
| [16:18:02] | gbee: | you have to remember that mythmusic has to be usable with a remote, so forget what you know from other PC based music applications |
| [16:18:06] | AndyCap: | what does qualify as a big collection? |
| [16:18:12] | TSCHAKWerk: | I have approx 4000 vinyl, 2000 CDs... |
| [16:18:20] | siXy: | gbee: have you seen vista-mce? |
| [16:18:20] | Juski: | see it's great to say "it sucks" – but better to suggest HOW to improve it! |
| [16:18:24] | gbee: | think instead of hardware players for guidance or what might be possible |
| [16:18:26] | AndyCap: | I do like the remote ui of softsqueeze |
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| [16:18:30] | Juski: | too easy to say "it sucks" |
| [16:18:31] | gbee: | siXy: no |
| [16:18:31] | TSCHAKWerk: | I had to make a catalogue just to keep track of the stuff I have. |
| [16:18:32] | siXy: | that i think is much more useable |
| [16:18:43] | Juski: | and don't just say "like XYZ".. not everybody knows XYZ |
| [16:18:56] | siXy: | ok there an image equivalent of rafb? |
| [16:19:00] | AndyCap: | and that doesn't really have any display to speak of. |
| [16:19:12] | Juski: | siXy: imageshack ? |
| [16:19:15] | siXy: | thx |
| [16:19:45] | Juski: | explain, draw pictures, make a video/flash thing.. let's see the ideas you got |
| [16:20:05] | Juski: | most people run out of steam there and thus lose credibility |
| [16:20:24] | Juski: | tell the devs HOW to improve it & you'll get em more on your side |
| [16:20:26] | AndyCap: | Softsqueeze lets you browse or search, and it uses the now familiar numerical phone alphabet. |
| [16:20:27] | gbee: | and don't explain in here, put it on a website or something, because I've got the memory of a goldfish |
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| [16:20:37] | AndyCap: | gbee: hehe. noted. |
| [16:20:45] | TSCHAKWerk: | and as much as it might help, a cattle prod might not motivate them to draw. |
| [16:20:48] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-P |
| [16:21:00] | Juski: | Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttttttttttt! |
| [16:21:31] | TSCHAKWerk: | HARDER! HARDER! MORE! MO... oh wait, wrong channel |
| [16:21:33] | gbee: | AndyCap: umm we have searching in mythmusic, probably true to say that it should be found in the same place as the playlist editor though |
| [16:21:34] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-) |
| [16:21:47] | Juski: | hell even screenshots of other apps that do the job 'better' would be better than nowt |
| [16:21:56] | gbee: | it's possible that the search wasn't available in 0.20, can't remember |
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| [16:22:01] | AndyCap: | gbee: I'll write something down, I'm not promising any drawings though |
| [16:22:14] | gbee: | anyway, lets see what complaints remain after my re-writing of the playlist editor |
| [16:22:17] | AndyCap: | but screenshots with scribbles on I can do |
| [16:22:38] | Juski: | letter searching needs to be in mythtv allround IMHO. might have a play with that |
| [16:22:38] | siXy: | meh printscreen doenst work in mce |
| [16:22:47] | Juski: | alt printscreen? |
| [16:23:02] | siXy: | no dice. just black screen |
| [16:23:13] | Juski: | you must need a DirectX capture app then |
| [16:23:17] | siXy: | trying fraps |
| [16:23:17] | TSCHAKWerk: | screenshot DRM |
| [16:23:19] | TSCHAKWerk: | doh! |
| [16:23:29] | ubuntuEdgy: | ahaaaaaaaahahhahaaha |
| [16:23:38] | AndyCap: | btw, what is the minimum supported remote keys? arrows,, enter, escape and numbers? |
| [16:23:59] | Juski: | and transport buttons |
| [16:24:00] | ubuntuEdgy: | DRM is getting ridiculous |
| [16:24:01] | ** TSCHAKWerk remembers when hauppauge shipped remotes without even any arrow keys. ** | |
| [16:24:03] | AndyCap: | sorry if that's written in bold somewhere. |
| [16:24:13] | gbee: | these are very early screenshot of the new playlist editor – so far the main difference is the structure of the browsing, doesn't really look or behave any differently – http://www.tase.co.uk/mythtv/ |
| [16:24:45] | Juski: | 0–9, arrows, ok/select, back/esc, play,pause,stop,rew,ffw should do ya |
| [16:24:53] | gbee: | mainly the change so that you can browse by genre, artist, album, song, year and directory from the top level |
| [16:25:34] | gbee: | ksnapshot has no problems with mythtv |
| [16:25:37] | AndyCap: | gbee: is that the top or the start of browsing? |
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| [16:26:01] | TSCHAKWerk: | now all we need is the ipod clicky noise |
| [16:26:03] | gbee: | http://www.tase.co.uk/mythtv/mythmusic_browser.png < thats the start (subject to change) |
| [16:26:05] | ** TSCHAKWerk runs!!! ** | |
| [16:26:32] | Juski: | loads peeps would like audio feedback in the UI |
| [16:26:40] | gbee: | it's all very rough, but it's a starting point and it should be better than the current playlist editor |
| [16:26:47] | Juski: | not me though.. make it compulsory at your peril! |
| [16:26:52] | siXy: | gbee: http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ehshellkp3.jpg |
| [16:26:54] | AndyCap: | just don't use the IE click noise |
| [16:27:06] | Juski: | or the tivo noises |
| [16:27:15] | TSCHAKWerk: | Juski: okay then, what about greying out a menu when a selection is made? |
| [16:27:26] | Juski: | huh? |
| [16:27:29] | TSCHAKWerk: | or highlighting the selection |
| [16:27:31] | siXy: | thats the best remote music playback interface i know of for large collections |
| [16:27:33] | TSCHAKWerk: | something |
| [16:27:51] | TSCHAKWerk: | anything that lets me know that I selected something in case it takes 10 seconds for a response. |
| [16:28:04] | TSCHAKWerk: | blink three times... |
| [16:28:07] | ShiftyPowers: | guys any ideas |
| [16:28:10] | ShiftyPowers: | here's the paste |
| [16:28:10] | ShiftyPowers: | http://rafb.net/p/wnOY8J70.html |
| [16:28:12] | Juski: | audio feedback is fine for some people |
| [16:28:14] | AndyCap: | hourglass, spinners, whatnot? |
| [16:28:28] | Juski: | what a waste of screen space!!!!!!! |
| [16:28:40] | Juski: | all that space & the matrix is like 3x3?! |
| [16:28:54] | Juski: | they're kidding, right? |
| [16:28:56] | TSCHAKWerk: | i thought the matrix was everywhere? |
| [16:29:03] | siXy: | ShiftyPowers: did you --rebuild-tree? |
| [16:29:22] | ShiftyPowers: | yea see ehre's te problem |
| [16:29:28] | ShiftyPowers: | /dev/hdc2 contains only one partition |
| [16:29:29] | TSCHAKWerk: | oops, i took the red pill. |
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| [16:29:35] | ShiftyPowers: | called /dev/HTPCvg/HTPClv |
| [16:29:38] | ShiftyPowers: | it's part of the lvm |
| [16:29:52] | ShiftyPowers: | when i run --rebuild tree on /dev/hdc2 it fixes all the problems |
| [16:29:59] | Juski: | siXy: so 'the best' UI only shows 3x3 i.e. NINE bits in all that room? ridiculous! |
| [16:30:07] | ShiftyPowers: | but then right after doing that it causes /dev/HTPCvg/HTPClv to have a bunch of issues |
| [16:30:08] | gbee: | siXy: yeah I plan on adding albumart browsing, but how does it differ otherwise? |
| [16:30:18] | siXy: | Juski: nah thats just all the albums i have on my work laptop |
| [16:30:20] | ShiftyPowers: | and then if I run rebuild-tree on the LVM volume the problems resurface on /dev/hdc2 |
| [16:30:24] | TSCHAKWerk: | Juski: maybe it's tailored for gramma. |
| [16:30:27] | ShiftyPowers: | so weird |
| [16:30:48] | siXy: | i dont have any of my music here – thats justwhat comes with vista |
| [16:30:54] | Juski: | TSCHAKWerk: that being the case wouldn't they be much bigger? |
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| [16:31:09] | TSCHAKWerk: | she only imports her three church music albums anyway, so i guess it evens out |
| [16:31:12] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-P |
| [16:31:26] | TSCHAKWerk: | Juski: yeah. |
| [16:31:28] | gbee: | actually my plan for albumart browsing was going to be a little more interesting (think apple's one) but I may just start with something nice and simple like the MCE one |
| [16:31:47] | siXy: | gbee: apples is really nice too |
| [16:32:00] | TSCHAKWerk: | let's just make it grab a video clip from mtv2. |
| [16:32:02] | siXy: | but i like the easy switching between sor criteria |
| [16:32:05] | ** TSCHAKWerk runs!!! ** | |
| [16:32:13] | siXy: | *sort |
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| [16:32:41] | ** TSCHAKWerk realises he is in a very...goofy mood for some reason. ** | |
| [16:32:48] | Juski: | video support would be ace – I've got loadsa music vids |
| [16:33:07] | gbee: | yeah, well the stuff I'm working on right now allows easy switching |
| [16:33:08] | TSCHAKWerk: | just put Kylie on loop, and mute. |
| [16:33:14] | TSCHAKWerk: | i'm fine for hours. |
| [16:33:25] | Juski: | put kylie on a loop, press mute, break open a box of tissues.. |
| [16:33:33] | Juski: | (if you've got a bad cold) |
| [16:33:38] | ** TSCHAKWerk hi-fives Juski ** | |
| [16:33:45] | TSCHAKWerk: | hehhehehe |
| [16:34:37] | ** TSCHAKWerk wonders how she can STILL look good after all these years. ** | |
| [16:35:32] | siXy: | gbee: it looks a lot more navigable. personally i find the list+ checkbox slightly dull tho – and i still prefer a grid to a list. howabout a grid of small rectangles containing the name, which change colour when selected? |
| [16:35:39] | TSCHAKWerk: | she must use Satan's plastic surgeon.... |
| [16:35:41] | Juski: | my fave is 'come Into My World'.. HOW many? ;) |
| [16:35:48] | TSCHAKWerk: | lol |
| [16:36:11] | Juski: | gawd.. y'all be thinkin I'm a 'friend of Dorothy/Kylie' next |
| [16:36:21] | TSCHAKWerk: | hahah |
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| [16:36:40] | Juski: | well, I like nothing better than staying at home, putting curlers in my hair, wearing lipgloss & singing showtunes! |
| [16:37:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | hey man, I do that every thursday night, gotta pay rent somehow. |
| [16:37:07] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-P |
| [16:37:08] | gbee: | siXy: yeah, the checkbox/list just happens to be the widget/style which is already there so I'm using it while I sort out the underlying playlist code |
| [16:37:18] | Juski: | emphasis on the 'paying rent' bit I notice |
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| [16:38:22] | TSCHAKWerk: | Juski: yeah... |
| [16:39:01] | ** TSCHAKWerk is an....Executive Transvestite... ** | |
| [16:39:14] | Juski: | mate of mine has been heard to scream when Girls Aloud are played in bars |
| [16:39:22] | siXy: | gbee: ah ok. well i definately prefer the sort by criteria concept :D |
| [16:39:23] | TSCHAKWerk: | roflmao |
| [16:39:25] | Juski: | enthusiastically, I mean.. v. worrying |
| [16:39:34] | TSCHAKWerk: | dear god |
| [16:39:44] | Juski: | in denial |
| [16:39:54] | TSCHAKWerk: | propping the closet open. |
| [16:41:15] | siXy: | well finally everything is working and i can go home – YEY! |
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| [16:42:35] | Juski: | well, no more HDMI chips to put on PCBs, and my last 2 CAD drawings have been checked in.. so I figure I can leave shortly too |
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| [16:43:47] | TSCHAKWerk: | handling HDMI/HDCP chips would make me feel a little dirty.. I'd have to burn the dead skin off my hands afterwards. |
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| [16:44:45] | Juski: | no HDCP – just a transceiver |
| [16:45:18] | TSCHAKWerk: | ah ok |
| [16:45:27] | Juski: | and if you do what I did the other day you'd burn plenty skin too! |
| [16:45:38] | TSCHAKWerk: | whassat? |
| [16:46:13] | Juski: | hold the chip down with tweezers while you're going round with the hot-air pencil, then drop said tweezers & reflex to pick em right back up again, wrong way round |
| [16:46:26] | Juski: | wow that hurt |
| [16:46:38] | Juski: | damn reflexes |
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| [16:47:20] | TSCHAKWerk: | holy fsck, sorry man! |
| [16:47:24] | TSCHAKWerk: | I've done similar things. |
| [16:47:49] | Beirdo: | Juski, been there, done that... hurts like hell |
| [16:47:56] | Juski: | great joints though – never know they'd been hand-placed :) |
| [16:48:15] | Beirdo: | watched a coworker decide to tade a resistor off the end of a hot soldering iron... by hand |
| [16:48:25] | TSCHAKWerk: | ow ow ow ow ow |
| [16:48:26] | Beirdo: | that was humorous... what a loser |
| [16:48:32] | Beirdo: | take even |
| [16:48:45] | TSCHAKWerk: | i could totally imagine a darwin award with a soldering iron accident |
| [16:48:53] | Beirdo: | all too easy |
| [16:48:56] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [16:49:10] | AndyCap: | killing yourself with a soldering iron? Dunno. |
| [16:49:40] | Beirdo: | how about a combo of a soldering iron and an ultrasonic bath full of isopropyl alcohol? |
| [16:49:43] | AndyCap: | a wave soldering machine or something perhaps |
| [16:49:48] | Juski: | oof |
| [16:50:07] | Juski: | how do you make a new employee go 'woof' ? ;) |
| [16:50:14] | Beirdo: | which (at that job) was about 2m from the soldering station |
| [16:50:16] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:50:28] | Beirdo: | thankfully he wasn't THAT stupid |
| [16:50:37] | AndyCap: | just rinse the tip off... |
| [16:50:42] | Juski: | trying to get out of the habit of just flicking SMD resistors onto the bench.. |
| [16:50:50] | Juski: | yow they hold some heat! |
| [16:51:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, when one lands on yer leg... |
| [16:51:11] | Juski: | or you rest your arm on the bench... |
| [16:51:13] | Juski: | tssst! |
| [16:51:14] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [16:51:28] | Beirdo: | but you wanted little red spots on your arms, didn't you? |
| [16:51:35] | Juski: | sure! |
| [16:51:46] | Juski: | like hot rocks, those things |
| [16:51:48] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [16:51:55] | Juski: | without the stonedness |
| [16:52:26] | Beirdo: | ahhh, I remember the days of being a firmware designer and being told to go to the lab to solder on some QFPs as I was the only person capable of doing it properly... |
| [16:53:08] | Beirdo: | curse that previous job as a PCB assembler :) |
| [16:53:25] | Juski: | I had to rework a QFP & rotate it thru 180 degrees vertically cos they'd laid out its footprint mirror image – all on my 2nd day. 80 pins & wires |
| [16:53:51] | Beirdo: | Oh GOD |
| [16:53:59] | Juski: | upsidey downey chip :) |
| [16:54:16] | Beirdo: | did you sky-wire the pins or just bend em down? |
| [16:54:21] | Juski: | sky wire |
| [16:54:22] | Beirdo: | make J-leads? |
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| [16:54:32] | Beirdo: | oy, what a mess |
| [16:54:33] | [1]majesty is now known as majesty | |
| [16:55:13] | Beirdo: | I hope you had a magnifier at that station |
| [16:55:40] | Juski: | ohyay |
| [16:56:38] | Beirdo: | heh, so my concentration went to crap today... at 9:30am when I got called to schedule an interview |
| [16:57:00] | Juski: | employment? :) |
| [16:57:11] | Beirdo: | possible employment, yup |
| [16:57:25] | Beirdo: | we shall see |
| [16:58:15] | Beirdo: | makes concentrating on bot coding more difficult :) |
| [16:58:17] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [17:08:50] | Juski: | cool :) |
| [17:09:20] | Juski: | btw those weren't just ordinary QFPs I was soldering.. LFCSP packages |
| [17:09:30] | Beirdo: | eek |
| [17:09:50] | Beirdo: | http://www2.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/files/bot2.png |
| [17:09:51] | Beirdo: | BTW |
| [17:10:03] | Beirdo: | that's what the forms stuff I'm working on looks like ;) |
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| [17:10:31] | Beirdo: | got a LOT of code to write that will be behind that to implement changing stuff, etc |
| [17:10:47] | Juski: | not just a trouty bot then :) |
| [17:11:01] | Beirdo: | true :) |
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| [17:11:28] | Beirdo: | I wanted to make this ncurses console for a while now, it will make configuration much simpler |
| [17:11:44] | Beirdo: | not everybody's willing to diddle mysql directly |
| [17:12:26] | Juski: | rly? you do surprise me lol |
| [17:12:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:14:19] | Juski: | well, last one out from this floor today.. and not back til Tuesday. loads to do tomorrow! |
| [17:14:26] | Juski: | back later... |
| [17:14:45] | Beirdo: | have a good one |
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| [17:17:54] | jblack: | Hello! I have done something that has caused transcoding and commercial detection to stop working. The jobs are running according to the log, but those things aren't happening. |
| [17:18:30] | jblack: | Pardon, "Job #1" is running, but transcoding and commercial detection isn't. |
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| [19:05:23] | jduggan: | hmm |
| [19:05:26] | jduggan: | fucking $ky |
| [19:05:45] | jduggan: | claiming all sorts of shit about HD =o |
| [19:05:49] | Daviey (Daviey!i=daviey@ubuntu/member/daviey) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [19:05:55] | Daviey: | Hey, anybody using NFS for /recordings? |
| [19:06:24] | Daviey: | ie, saving on non-backend? |
| [19:08:14] | TSCHAKWerk: | yeek |
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| [19:30:33] | Beirdo: | Daviey, I did that for years. |
| [19:30:55] | Beirdo: | currently my mythbox is off... stupid cable co with "no more cable boxes right now" |
| [19:31:48] | Daviey: | Beirdo: ta – i found the problem – i was trying to push too much traffic through one cable |
| [19:32:05] | Beirdo: | oh |
| [19:32:07] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:32:31] | clever: | i have a cisco switch between every single pc |
| [19:32:40] | clever: | and cacti graphing the bandwidth at every point thru snmp |
| [19:32:55] | clever: | so i can see when a port is getting maxed out if i just look at it |
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| [19:56:11] | ShiftyPowers: | is there a way to copy files from a dvd to a harddrive so that MythTV plays them as if they were part of the library? |
| [19:56:26] | ShiftyPowers: | i'd like to backup my dvds onto a server so i don't have to swap them in and out |
| [19:56:32] | ShiftyPowers: | might be a simple answer but i've never done it |
| [19:56:34] | squidly: | ShiftyPowers: yes. Just rip the dvd |
| [19:56:43] | squidly: | that is what I do |
| [19:56:51] | ShiftyPowers: | squidly, you rip and compress or just leave it as .vob files? |
| [19:57:14] | squidly: | ShiftyPowers: depends on the movie and my avalaiable disk space at the time. But usualy I just rip and transcode it |
| [19:57:27] | ShiftyPowers: | ah |
| [19:57:31] | ShiftyPowers: | rip and transcode ok |
| [19:57:38] | ShiftyPowers: | i was thinking for something like a TV show |
| [19:57:48] | ShiftyPowers: | it would be nice to not have to transcode or something |
| [19:57:53] | ShiftyPowers: | but i guess that's the way |
| [19:58:41] | squidly: | well the transcodeing is more for sound IIRC |
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| [20:04:22] | will_: | Juski, You going to LUG radio at the weekend? |
| [20:07:49] | paranoid_: | http://www.paranoidgeek.co.uk/media/Photos/Newquay/KidsToday.jpg |
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| [20:23:20] | Juski: | will_: duh yeah :) |
| [20:24:53] | ubuntuEdgy: | good news / i finally worked out how to have different background on each section , music, video, recoded tv blah blah |
| [20:25:12] | ubuntuEdgy: | ;) |
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| [20:29:02] | will_: | Juski, sweet – I'll come and find you (WillCooke I am) |
| [20:30:12] | Juski: | zomg – long lost mythtvtalk.com moderator, like me! |
| [20:30:19] | Juski: | IIRC |
| [20:30:51] | will_: | Juski, me? Nah mate – never actually got round to signing up! |
| [20:31:35] | mchou: | Beirdo: you know why they say "no more cable boxes right now?" |
| [20:31:53] | Juski: | maybe not then. heheh |
| [20:32:11] | mchou: | Beirdo: cause CableCard exemption (for cablecos) just got lifted |
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| [20:32:29] | Juski: | anyroada I'd best get back to making my monitor stand |
| [20:33:29] | will_: | Juski, You got a stand at LRL? |
| [20:34:53] | Cry_wolf2: | Someone using alsa and spdif ? |
| [20:35:07] | Juski: | will_: oyay |
| [20:35:17] | Juski: | danger – man at (wood) work |
| [20:35:21] | will_: | Juski, That will make you easy to find! |
| [20:35:30] | will_: | Juski, you need anything bringing? |
| [20:36:42] | Juski: | will_: nah got it all covered |
| [20:37:04] | will_: | Juski, GWF! |
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| [20:46:26] | jblack: | Hello. I seem to have done something that has stopped automatic transcoding with job #1. The log says job#1 is still running, but transcoding and commercial detection aren't. The options are turned on in mythtv-setup though. Manually transcoding and commercial detection work. |
| [20:48:30] | olds: | what is job #1 |
| [20:49:21] | jblack: | job #1 is "enable transcoding, enable commercial skip" |
| [20:49:40] | olds: | huh |
| [20:49:44] | olds: | user job #1 |
| [20:49:45] | olds: | ? |
| [20:49:52] | jblack: | Yeah. |
| [20:50:00] | olds: | weird, why do you do that? |
| [20:50:07] | jblack: | Run them as jobs? |
| [20:50:22] | olds: | why have a job to enable transcoding and commercial flagging |
| [20:50:28] | olds: | when those are options by themselves |
| [20:50:56] | jblack: | Because it lets me limit skip and transcoding to one at a time? |
| [20:51:31] | olds: | I'm confused *shrug* |
| [20:52:16] | jblack: | my server would bog down too much if it tried to transcode/skip detect 2 or 3 at the same time. I use user job #1 to do it instead, so that only one show is done at a time. |
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| [20:52:35] | olds: | well, what is your script to do that |
| [20:53:27] | jams: | jblack- myth has the option to limit the number of jobs run at any given time |
| [20:53:49] | olds: | this is true as well |
| [20:53:50] | jblack: | I dont' remember setting up a script. In mythtv-setup, on the Job queue page, I enabled "user job #1" jobs, enabled "allow commercial detection" and "allow transcoding", and set "limit simultaneous" to 1. It was working great for months last week. |
| [20:54:09] | olds: | uhh |
| [20:54:10] | jblack: | It stopped working at about the same time that I took out one of the two tuners. |
| [20:54:19] | Juski: | GWF? |
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| [20:54:25] | olds: | you don't need user job #1 if you don't have a user job |
| [20:54:33] | Juski: | ahh good work fella :) |
| [20:54:43] | Juski: | FHM-ism.. I remember now |
| [20:54:49] | jblack: | I'm just using it to serialize the transcoding/commercial detection. |
| [20:55:25] | olds: | but I don't think you are unless you've setup some sort of script to do it |
| [20:55:50] | olds: | you might want to check your recording schedules |
| [20:56:02] | olds: | make sure commercial flagging and transcoding are setup for the recording schedules you want |
| [20:56:19] | jblack: | Let's hypothesize that I've unintenntionally been relying on an unintentional side effect that's been repaired. |
| [20:56:40] | jblack: | Where can I check to see what the name of the user job #1 script is defined, and what it's supposed to be doing. |
| [20:56:53] | ** jblack looks at juski with large, pitiable eyes ** | |
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| [20:57:07] | olds: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_job |
| [20:57:53] | jblack: | Yeah. I've been there. IT doesn't say where, in the front end, that the filename for the script is given. |
| [20:58:03] | jblack: | pardon, in mythtv-setup, not the frontend |
| [20:58:42] | jblack: | Let's try this differently. Myth says the jobs are running after recording. Hoewver, the options as given in mythtv-setup (transcode and skip) seem to be ignored |
| [20:59:30] | jblack: | Ok. User job #1 is empty, so don't run a script. |
| [20:59:37] | olds: | ok |
| [21:00:24] | jblack: | So, what could I have done to convince myth to not xcode and commercial detect during job run? |
| [21:00:41] | olds: | disabled it in your recording schedule |
| [21:01:14] | jblack: | For all of my programs at once? |
| [21:01:33] | olds: | maybe? |
| [21:01:36] | olds: | probably not |
| [21:01:47] | olds: | how do you know it's not flagging commercials? |
| [21:01:56] | olds: | what are your "symptoms" |
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| [21:02:53] | jblack: | My symptoms are 1) commercial skip has stopped happening automatically when it's turned on in user job control and 2) transcoding is no longer happening automatically when turned on in user job 1 |
| [21:03:39] | jblack: | It used to be automatic. I shutdown the machine, took out a tuner card, turned it back on, and it stopped working automaticly. |
| [21:03:49] | olds: | you don't "enable" transcoding and commercial skip as a user job |
| [21:03:57] | olds: | user jobs are only if you want to run some sort of custom command |
| [21:04:13] | jblack: | It's right there in mythtv-setup. :| |
| [21:04:24] | olds: | right, with a field of the command to use |
| [21:04:33] | jblack: | No, no field for the ocmmand to use. |
| [21:05:17] | olds: | go and look at your recording schedules and make sure commercial flagging is enabled |
| [21:05:18] | jblack: | I have max jobs, start and end time, cpu usage, allow jobs 1–4, allow commercial detection, allow transcoding jobs... no option to specify a script (which I don't want to run anyways) |
| [21:05:31] | olds: | okay, fine |
| [21:05:41] | olds: | and make sure commercial skip is enabled in your playback |
| [21:06:05] | jblack: | Oh, there's the script name page. It's several pages of config later. |
| [21:06:37] | jblack: | Ok. Lets say I adjust every program and turn on transcoding and commercial skip individually. How do I make sure only one thing is transcoded and skipped detected at once? |
| [21:07:34] | jams: | in those same setup screens, there is an option" Maximum simultaneous jobs on this backend" |
| [21:07:49] | jblack: | That's not just User jobs, but all jobs? |
| [21:07:58] | olds: | correct |
| [21:08:02] | jams: | that value includes all jobs in the queue |
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| [21:08:49] | olds: | user jobs or otherwise |
| [21:09:17] | jblack: | Waiit. HOld on. |
| [21:09:18] | jams: | also make sure there isn't a typo in the commerical flagger command or transcoder command |
| [21:09:30] | ** jblack double checks ** | |
| [21:10:03] | jblack: | Ok. I see why you guys thought I was crazy. |
| [21:10:09] | jblack: | Ok. I need to reframe the question. |
| [21:10:23] | Juski: | in true A-Team/Macgyver/Heath Robinson style, we have a monitor stand for the stand :) |
| [21:10:39] | Juski: | sanding/painting/countersinking tomorrow |
| [21:10:42] | jblack: | Just strike out the whole user job stuff. that's redundant. I _do_ have individual shows set up to transcode/commercial detect. |
| [21:11:12] | olds: | ok, then you're fine |
| [21:11:27] | jblack: | No. I'm still broke. |
| [21:11:53] | Juski: | broke? me too. spend £6 on wood tonight & didn't buy enough :( |
| [21:11:56] | jblack: | Because they're not happening unless I pick a show, pick job options, and say "transcode now" |
| [21:12:15] | jblack: | juski: Ohhh, you fix my myth breakage, and I'll help fix your wallet breakage? |
| [21:14:02] | jblack: | I bet there's a counter in the db that is off by one. |
| [21:14:11] | Juski: | no idea |
| [21:15:21] | olds: | jblack: go into system status on mythfrontend |
| [21:15:26] | olds: | see if there are any jobs running |
| [21:15:36] | olds: | that is preventing flagging/transcode from working |
| [21:16:12] | jblack: | There weren't at the time. I started transcoding up manually in order to clear out the backlog of 5–6 shows. |
| [21:16:21] | jams: | heck check the backend log files, I'm sure they have something interesting to say |
| [21:17:35] | jblack: | The empty jobs are running without a complaint. The transcoding and detect aren't in the log at all. |
| [21:18:03] | ** jblack starts to strongly suspect that he's gotten myth constipated somehow. Perhaps a transcoding was running during shutdown. ** | |
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| [21:19:37] | jblack: | I need to shut down the machine anyways to install the new second tuner. Maybe it'll fix itself. |
| [21:19:58] | jams: | thats the spirit!!! |
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| [21:30:21] | Cry_wolf2: | £¤%&@ soundcard |
| [21:30:55] | Cry_wolf2: | what is the english term for when there is "static" comming from the speakers ? |
| [21:31:24] | mkrufky: | "static" |
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| [21:32:55] | Cry_wolf2: | Well then you just get alot of people trying to ger rid of dhcp :=) |
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| [23:13:42] | lyynox: | hi |
| [23:13:44] | lyynox: | wurup |
| [23:15:49] | lyynox: | ok are there any kewl external tuners around? |
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| [23:32:59] | lyynox: | ok are there any kewl external tuners around? |
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| [23:39:26] | ben_goodger: | herro |
| [23:40:00] | ben_goodger: | is there any way to add preexisting recordings from windows (avi format) into mythtv? |
| [23:40:11] | Cry_wolf2: | yes |
| [23:40:59] | Cry_wolf2: | http://www.google.se/search?q=mythtv+import+recordings |
| [23:41:27] | ben_goodger: | ah, that's handt. |
| [23:41:29] | ben_goodger: | thanks |
| [23:41:34] | hads: | Mythvideo |
| [23:42:25] | lyynox: | ok are there any kewl external tuners around? |
| [23:43:00] | ben_goodger: | hads: that just plays them |
| [23:43:23] | ben_goodger: | hads: the devs are working on removing some of the duplication, but no releases so far |
| [23:43:33] | ben_goodger: | no stable releases anyway |
| [23:43:39] | ben_goodger: | well, I say stable |
| [23:50:52] | hads: | Um, what else were you going to do with your recordings? |
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| [23:56:04] | Lunar_Lamp: | hads, that's exacly what I was wondering :-/ |
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