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| [00:00:28] | DMJC-L: | what is the sticky keys option? |
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| [00:08:24] | jams: | DMJC-L- instead of jumping 30 seconds at a time when ffwd is pressed, it acts more like a vcr. |
| [00:10:37] | DMJC-L: | hmm |
| [00:10:49] | DMJC-L: | I've got a video I can't get playing properly |
| [00:10:57] | DMJC-L: | the audio is coming out high pitched |
| [00:11:06] | DMJC-L: | it plays normally in mplayer |
| [00:11:51] | directhex: | using Internal? |
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| [00:12:28] | DMJC-L: | yeah |
| [00:12:32] | directhex: | svn? |
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| [00:12:41] | DMJC-L: | dunno |
| [00:12:45] | DMJC-L: | it's from gentoo |
| [00:12:48] | DMJC-L: | ebuild install |
| [00:13:29] | directhex: | yay for gentoo |
| [00:13:34] | directhex: | try the file with ffplay |
| [00:13:41] | DMJC-L: | ffplay? |
| [00:14:55] | DMJC-L: | works fine in ffplay |
| [00:15:07] | directhex: | hm, odd |
| [00:15:11] | Honk: | just use mplayer as player :P |
| [00:15:30] | DMJC-L: | it's a dump of a dvd |
| [00:15:38] | DMJC-L: | video_ts folder |
| [00:17:34] | directhex: | NTSC? |
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| [00:18:14] | DMJC-L: | not sure |
| [00:23:09] | Salz: | hm, has someone xvmc working on i945? i always get (WW) intel(0): Option "XvMCSurfaces" is not used |
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| [00:30:00] | Salz: | is there even any support for xvideo motion compensation on anything later tahn i815? |
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| [00:51:29] | maek: | is there a preferd way of moving files from my /mythtv dir to a storage server? also how can I tell what |
| [00:51:44] | maek: | show a given mpg file is? |
| [00:51:47] | maek: | thanks |
| [00:51:56] | wastrel: | lirc |
| [00:52:17] | wastrel: | hi |
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| [00:54:47] | jams: | maek- there is a program called mythrename in the contrib dir. Have a look at it |
| [00:55:46] | maek: | jams: thanks much! |
| [00:56:30] | Beirdo: | OK.. it's bot upgrade time |
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| [00:58:30] | LennonNZ: | has anyone written anything for mythtv music which shows the album covers etc like it does for the videos? |
| [00:58:54] | Beirdo: | !list |
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| [01:01:27] | mikeones: | !plugin |
| [01:01:39] | Beirdo: | !help |
| [01:01:46] | Beirdo: | how odd |
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| [01:02:33] | Beirdo: | I want NPTL! |
| [01:02:38] | Beirdo: | linuxthreads + signals = headache |
| [01:02:45] | maek: | jams: im a bit confused here. does it rename the actual .mpg or does it symlink them? and if it renames them does mythtv care? |
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| [01:04:27] | wastrel: | blargh |
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| [01:06:01] | jams: | maek- if you give it the link option it only links the file to show_name. |
| [01:06:13] | jams: | if you don't give the link option it renames the file and updates the database |
| [01:06:15] | wastrel: | so i am supposed to be able to just dump these codes into my lircd.conf and then irsend will translate them into pulses for the LED? |
| [01:06:45] | maek: | jams: thanks. I was being stupid and not running as a user with proper perms thats what was confusing me. it was a long day at work dealing with firewalls my brain is fried. |
| [01:07:10] | jams: | no trouble |
| [01:07:31] | maek: | if I want to move some .mpg files to my storage server do I just move the .mpgs and thats that or do I need to update the db some how? |
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| [01:08:55] | jams: | you would need to update the db |
| [01:09:05] | hads: | You don't want to move the files out from underneath mythtv, it won't like that. |
| [01:09:12] | maek: | thats what I thought. |
| [01:09:18] | maek: | is there a tool for moving them? |
| [01:09:39] | jams: | maek- you can move them and just symlink them back in |
| [01:09:56] | Beirdo: | the bot and I will both be back |
| [01:10:11] | Beirdo: | right after I reboot the linode to a 2.6 kernel so NPTL is there :) |
| [01:10:25] | maek: | jams: yeah except id like to move them to another server and then access them under /video or what not. |
| [01:11:04] | jams: | maek- will /video be available to your mythbackend ? |
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| [01:17:23] | Beirdo: | perfect |
| [01:17:30] | Beirdo: | that first one was me killing it |
| [01:17:30] | jams: | wastrel- 3250HD ? |
| [01:17:32] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [01:17:32] | wastrel: | !botsnack |
| [01:17:35] | wastrel: | no hd |
| [01:18:08] | jams: | hmm, well you can try my config i'm using the 3250hd twc tends to keep all the signals the same |
| [01:18:14] | jams: | and yes that box was a pain to setup |
| [01:18:34] | wastrel: | sure |
| [01:19:23] | Beirdo: | sh-3.1$ getconf GNU_LIBPTHREAD_VERSION |
| [01:19:24] | Beirdo: | linuxthreads-0.10 |
| [01:19:26] | Beirdo: | huh? |
| [01:19:50] | wastrel: | never seen getconf before :] |
| [01:20:02] | jams: | wastrel- email or pastebin ? |
| [01:20:19] | wastrel: | pastebin would be easier for me |
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| [01:20:35] | achew22: | is MythLogBot sick? |
| [01:20:41] | Beirdo: | oh, and freenode's proxyscan shit's filling my damn logs |
| [01:20:52] | Beirdo: | no, it was an upgrade |
| [01:21:01] | achew22: | Beirdo, OOH! What did you add? |
| [01:21:03] | Beirdo: | a big one, it now should support SIGHUP for reloading |
| [01:21:10] | Beirdo: | if the signals will work |
| [01:21:44] | jams: | http://pastebin.ca/594689 |
| [01:21:53] | wastrel: | jams: thanks much |
| [01:22:27] | jams: | look any different then yours? |
| [01:22:41] | achew22: | Beirdo, isn't that just kill? |
| [01:23:02] | Beirdo: | I have now just blacklisted freenode's proxyscan |
| [01:23:16] | Beirdo: | yes, but signals with pthreads is the issue |
| [01:23:46] | achew22: | won't that get you kicked — system services tend to have the ability to do such things |
| [01:24:04] | Beirdo: | they're blocked anyways, and filling my firewall logs |
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| [01:24:10] | Beirdo: | so now they are silently blocked |
| [01:24:24] | achew22: | so you are responding and just not logging? |
| [01:24:36] | Beirdo: | no |
| [01:24:44] | Beirdo: | blackhole ;) |
| [01:24:56] | Beirdo: | with no logging |
| [01:25:01] | achew22: | ah |
| [01:25:05] | Beirdo: | rather than blackhole with mucho logging |
| [01:25:15] | Beirdo: | if IRC joining stops working, I'll undo it |
| [01:25:50] | wastrel: | jams: i've tried several, that one looks like the one for the SAE 2000 |
| [01:26:00] | wastrel: | but the 2000 didn't have the frequency line |
| [01:26:14] | jams: | ah |
| [01:26:19] | achew22: | Beirdo, does the bot run out of your house or do you have a server somewhere oding it? |
| [01:26:21] | jams: | hope it works |
| [01:26:27] | Beirdo: | it's on my linode |
| [01:26:32] | Beirdo: | my home connection is shite |
| [01:26:42] | Beirdo: | err... lousy |
| [01:26:48] | Beirdo: | !trout Beirdo language |
| [01:26:48] | ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a language trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [01:27:43] | achew22: | hrm... |
| [01:27:44] | achew22: | !help |
| [01:27:52] | achew22: | !list |
| [01:27:58] | Kevorkian: | !traout achew22 |
| [01:28:06] | Kevorkian: | !trout achew22 |
| [01:28:06] | ** MythLogBot slaps achew22 with a trout on behalf of Kevorkian... ** | |
| [01:28:30] | ** achew22 slaps Kevorkian with a traout on behalf of MythLogBot ** | |
| [01:29:33] | achew22: | !help authenticate |
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| [01:31:11] | achew22: | Beirdo, am I allowed to ask what authenticate allows you to do? |
| [01:31:27] | Beirdo: | authenticate to manage plugins, etc |
| [01:31:36] | achew22: | you have a plugin interface? cool! |
| [01:31:38] | Beirdo: | uses one-time passwords |
| [01:31:41] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [01:31:52] | achew22: | Beirdo, what language for plugins? compiled? |
| [01:31:54] | Beirdo: | dynamically loaded plugins |
| [01:31:59] | Beirdo: | C |
| [01:32:05] | wastrel: | nothing :[ |
| [01:32:09] | achew22: | nifty — you have some kind of api then |
| [01:32:12] | Beirdo: | and I have a limited LUA scripting support |
| [01:32:17] | Beirdo: | yup |
| [01:32:22] | achew22: | is that documented? |
| [01:32:36] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [01:32:41] | Beirdo: | not yet |
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| [01:32:50] | Beirdo: | documentation will get done eventually |
| [01:32:51] | achew22: | thats what I was thinking you'd say |
| [01:37:43] | jams: | wastrel- does irw work with that config? |
| [01:38:03] | jams: | or any of your configs for that matter? |
| [01:39:06] | jams: | if irw works, then the lircd config file is fine. |
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| [01:41:29] | wastrel: | i have an ati usb remote that's working |
| [01:41:31] | wastrel: | but it's RF |
| [01:41:36] | wastrel: | i don't have an IR receiver |
| [01:41:56] | jams: | heh, that stinks |
| [01:42:01] | wastrel: | i'm thinking the LED might be too dim. it looks bright enough but the remote is way brighter |
| [01:42:13] | wastrel: | gonna swap in a smaller resistor |
| [01:42:32] | wastrel: | also isn't the voltage drop across the diode like .5v? been a while since electronics class :] |
| [01:42:38] | wastrel: | might pull out that diode |
| [01:43:25] | jams: | home brew transmitter? and no ir receiver..have fun troubleshooting |
| [01:44:52] | wastrel: | well it blinks what more do you want :] |
| [01:45:45] | wastrel: | i didn't realize it would be so finicky |
| [01:46:33] | jams: | i build a few, then decided that it was easier to just buy them and not worry bout it |
| [01:47:00] | jams: | well that was terrible grammer |
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| [01:54:13] | wastrel: | well i'm done for the night |
| [01:54:13] | wastrel: | l8r |
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| [02:08:08] | Der_Thomas: | Hi is there anyone around that can help with the mythweather-revamp? |
| [02:08:35] | Der_Thomas: | I'm having trouble compiling it and I can't figure out what the problem is. |
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| [02:27:18] | Trentster: | Hey all, I have spent a couple of days tinkering with my system, I am using a leadtek dvt1000 dvb-t card digital over the air content, system is working and recording well, except the image isnt crystal clear, and the lip sync is very slightly out, and I get smear when there is fast movement on the screen, I also get stuttering for the first 5 secs when i change a channel with osd up. I have played with de-interlacing settin |
| [02:27:18] | Trentster: | gs bob 2x and xvmc and cant seem to get it right...any suggestions, you think it might be a limitation of the leadtek card? My system is a p4 3.2 HT with 1.5 gigs of ram... |
| [02:29:33] | adante: | Trentster: as its a digital signal it seems unlikely it would be a problem with the card |
| [02:30:54] | adante: | is your display a tv or monitor at the moment? if tv, what's the connection |
| [02:31:37] | adante: | and is this evident on all channels? any difference with the hd or sd streams? |
| [02:31:39] | Trentster: | adante, I am using an LCD television that has vga in, and using vga out on the nvidia 5200 card. |
| [02:32:42] | Trentster: | no it seems to do the same with hd and sd streams, except problems more noticable on HD |
| [02:32:56] | adante: | hm |
| [02:33:13] | adante: | have you tried using mplayer or xine to play the streams, and seeing if there is a difference? |
| [02:33:45] | adante: | or whatever other apps are available |
| [02:34:10] | Trentster: | i must add that I could never get xvmc to work properly, allways got stuttering when osd was up, I think at the moment its set to deinterlacing " kernel" and xvnc for the other option...... |
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| [02:34:28] | Trentster: | with bob x got the stuttering with osd up. |
| [02:34:29] | Tanthrix: | Anyone know if mplayer or any other apps can do non-linear (smart) stretching? (ie, stretching a 4:3 video to 16:9 by stretching the outsides more than the middle) |
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| [02:35:18] | Trentster: | adante, nope, have not tried to play the streams with xine or mplayer, |
| [02:35:22] | adante: | yeah um xvmc is very much touch and go, i suggest you avoid it for now trentster until you have things working smoothly |
| [02:36:11] | Trentster: | adante, well whats the ideal setting to use for image clarity, specially aimed at HD content, ? |
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| [02:36:45] | adante: | Trentster: no idea there sorry |
| [02:37:28] | adante: | if you don't get anything here you might be able to get some help at dtvforum.info |
| [02:37:52] | Trentster: | adante, have you come across an article that explains the pros and cons of different deinterlacing methods etc...? |
| [02:38:01] | Trentster: | ok will have a look there...... |
| [02:38:13] | Trentster: | btw what do you have your deinterlacing set to? |
| [02:38:47] | adante: | Trentster: not really, i think there are some smatterings of info on the wiki and mailinglist |
| [02:38:52] | adante: | uhh let me check |
| [02:39:18] | Trentster: | thanks for the help btw |
| [02:41:44] | adante: | i'm using kernel apparently |
| [02:42:14] | Trentster: | hmmm interesting..... |
| [02:42:44] | adante: | also try fiddling with the mpeg2 decoder, i had a bit of luck with that |
| [02:43:06] | adante: | i've got to scoot to work now but i'll be back in 30–40m |
| [02:47:13] | Trentster: | cool thanks man...laterz |
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| [03:10:06] | Beirdo: | OK, have NPTL, restarting bot |
| [03:10:34] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v MythLogBot | |
| [03:11:07] | Beirdo: | there we go |
| [03:11:36] | Beirdo: | weird, the RSS size went from 2900 to 7060 by switching from linuxthreads to NPTL |
| [03:11:42] | Beirdo: | don't care, it's better |
| [03:12:09] | Beirdo: | oh wait |
| [03:12:10] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [03:12:12] | Beirdo: | wrong window |
| [03:12:59] | Beirdo: | and bed time |
| [03:13:11] | Beirdo: | tomorrow... I start the ncurses console :) |
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| [03:31:41] | kiljaden: | so I've been reading up on mythtv, about to take the plunge, but I wanted to ask about the ease of running it ala frontend+backend+regular desktop machine |
| [03:32:05] | kiljaden: | specifically, the desktop has 2 monitors, and I'll want to use the svideo out for going to the tv |
| [03:32:21] | Dr_willis: | I got it goingon my fileserver in the basement, with a dvi mointor and tv. |
| [03:32:31] | kiljaden: | is this something mythtv can handle itself, or do I need 2 versions of xorg.conf? |
| [03:32:37] | Dr_willis: | I got mythtv frontend set to show up on display #2 the tv by default. |
| [03:32:54] | kiljaden: | ok, but that's just with one DVI monitor hooked up? |
| [03:32:54] | Dr_willis: | I dont run 2 x sessions.. just one with xinerima/twinview going. |
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| [03:33:39] | Dr_willis: | I got 1 dvi monitor and 1 tv. :) wouldent be much hardwer with 2 and a tv |
| [03:34:15] | kiljaden: | I was just pondering whether my nvidia card could actually push 2 DVI and the svid |
| [03:34:22] | kiljaden: | all at the same time |
| [03:34:29] | Dr_willis: | should be able to. |
| [03:34:38] | Dr_willis: | I got a 6800 that can |
| [03:34:41] | kiljaden: | will be fun to try anyway |
| [03:34:55] | kiljaden: | at least the drivers will be easy |
| [03:35:00] | Dr_willis: | tv output is rather low res anyway. not that big a power need. |
| [03:35:13] | kiljaden: | ok |
| [03:35:27] | Dr_willis: | you may want to use 2 X sessions running.. depending on your needs. |
| [03:35:44] | kiljaden: | one X for normal desktop and another for myth? |
| [03:35:52] | Dr_willis: | The way I got it set up. I got a 'wide' desktop. (tv on the left of the monitor) I mouse over to the left screen (tv) and can then controll mythtv. |
| [03:36:05] | kiljaden: | have you tried a remote? |
| [03:36:09] | Dr_willis: | since i also use that box as a work station. this works for me. |
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| [03:36:12] | Tanthrix: | With nvidia cards you can use twinview, or just have two separate X screens which I think is the best way to go |
| [03:36:28] | Tanthrix: | Can't drag stuff across windows, so you don't have to deal with apps behaving weirdly |
| [03:36:29] | Dr_willis: | I got a remote. but dont like it.. PLUS i dont know how the remote would work with mythtv frontend not selected/active |
| [03:36:35] | Tanthrix: | (Mouse goes back and fourth though) |
| [03:36:52] | kiljaden: | I just spent 5 hours trying to get xinerama going with 2 DVIs on an ati card >< without the terrible flickering |
| [03:36:53] | Dr_willis: | Tanthrix, but what one has the input. :) i tend to use the wireless keyboard i got as a remote. |
| [03:36:55] | Tanthrix: | It's in the nvidia docs – just make two separate device, monitors, and screens. |
| [03:37:19] | Tanthrix: | Dr_willis: They both use the same mouse and keyboard. |
| [03:37:28] | Dr_willis: | plus the fact i dont have the mythtv frontend running all the time.. some times i want the whole 2 displays for my work. |
| [03:37:39] | Dr_willis: | Tanthrix, Right.. so if you hit 'm' for menu.. which one gets it.. :) |
| [03:37:48] | kiljaden: | Dr_willis: that's exactly the type of setup I'm looking to do |
| [03:38:02] | Tanthrix: | That's just a matter of focus. (So click myth, then press m, just like anything else) |
| [03:38:14] | Tanthrix: | Though it wouldn't surprise me if you could setup two keyboards and mice if you wanted to |
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| [03:38:31] | Tanthrix: | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . pter-15.html |
| [03:38:38] | Dr_willis: | Tanthrix, thats how i do it.. with a single wide desktop/twinview. with 2 seperate X sessions you have to some how select the next session. I just mouse over. |
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| [03:38:52] | Dr_willis: | But to each their own. :) |
| [03:39:02] | Dr_willis: | i got the pc upstares as the main mythtv front end. |
| [03:39:19] | Tanthrix: | Dr_willis: I didn't say two sessions. I said two screens. I mouseover as well. |
| [03:39:36] | kiljaden: | I've accidentally had 2 x sessions running simultaneously- I was able to just run the mouse from one to the other pretty freely with the screens setup |
| [03:39:48] | Tanthrix: | My mouse goes flying across my room from my monitor to my Aquos ;) |
| [03:39:58] | Tanthrix: | (And technically that's NOT referred to as twinview) |
| [03:40:00] | kiljaden: | nice :) |
| [03:40:01] | Dr_willis: | kiljaden, cant say i managed to do that. :) |
| [03:40:13] | kiljaden: | it was while trying to get the terrible ati card going |
| [03:40:21] | kiljaden: | the auto configure did some strange things |
| [03:40:44] | Dr_willis: | I have noticed that with a Monitor/TV – if just leave the configuration for the monitor. and Unplug the monitor/plug in the tv. when you boot.. nvidia cards default to the tv.. no need to use the monitor. :) |
| [03:40:47] | Tanthrix: | Yah, having two x sessions is pointless. But separate screens is nice for myth, better than twinview / xinerama IMHO |
| [03:41:18] | Tanthrix: | Though, it does have its drawbacks as stated in those docs |
| [03:41:41] | kiljaden: | will it be an issue if I don't have a tuner card at all, will it? I want to use this box to store all our dvds (and keep them safe from the kids), but won't be doing any recording.. |
| [03:42:06] | Tanthrix: | No, but in that case myth is a bit overkill for what you need. |
| [03:42:42] | kiljaden: | well, cable might come in the future, but for now it's just 2 or 3 channels on the antenna |
| [03:43:02] | Tanthrix: | Should get an ATSC card and go HD ;) |
| [03:43:12] | Dr_willis: | If ya could figure out how to make the 2nd X session run mythtv on the tv, and some how accept a 2nd keyboard, or the remote.. tha tmay be nifty. not for my needs however |
| [03:43:35] | Dr_willis: | I got cable.. they got no hd worth messing with. :( |
| [03:43:49] | Dr_willis: | what they do got they want to charge extra $$ for. so heck with them |
| [03:45:07] | Tanthrix: | I'd probably ditch my HD and DVR cable box, but I can get almost all of my channels via the firewire out which is much better quality than what my PVR-150 can do |
| [03:45:24] | kiljaden: | for some reason, I thought I read somewhere that the nvidia cards could only do 2xDVI or 1xDVI+Svid, not 2xDVI+Svid |
| [03:45:32] | kiljaden: | perhaps that's just in windows |
| [03:45:45] | Tanthrix: | You can only do two screens, period I thought |
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| [03:46:52] | kiljaden: | so would that mean I'd have to stop one X session (with 2DVI xorg.conf) and start another (with DVI+Svid xorg.conf) for mythv... |
| [03:47:39] | Dr_willis: | Ive had my 6800, with a DVI, CRT and TV out. |
| [03:47:49] | Dr_willis: | not sure if 2 dvi make a diffeance.. i dont see why it would. |
| [03:48:58] | Tanthrix: | Dr_willis: I don't believe you until further notice. ;) |
| [03:49:21] | Dr_willis: | Tanthrix, i had a very wide desk setup downstairs with all 3 i belive.. |
| [03:49:30] | Dr_willis: | but that crt was taking too much space.. its out in the garrage now. :) |
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| [03:49:48] | Dr_willis: | Oh wait.. that wasent even my 6800. that was on the 5500? |
| [03:50:08] | kiljaden: | I'll be trying this out on a 7900 |
| [03:50:19] | Dr_willis: | Heck its 1 am here.. im too tired to think about it. heh. I do belive ive seen example xorg.confs with 2 monitors + tv also. |
| [03:50:33] | kiljaden: | they probably disabled all 3 on this card so you had to buy the 8100+++$$$ |
| [03:50:36] | kiljaden: | :) |
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| [04:13:05] | achew22: | is there a frontend only option still or was that removed? |
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| [04:14:43] | GreyFoxx: | There was one, but it was talked about removing it as it was not used as intended |
| [04:14:55] | GreyFoxx: | dunno if it was every actually removed though |
| [04:15:07] | achew22: | its not in the configure help file |
| [04:15:10] | achew22: | so I assume yes |
| [04:15:13] | achew22: | thats unfortunate |
| [04:15:20] | achew22: | what was its purpose? |
| [04:15:34] | GreyFoxx: | For help in porting mythfrontend to other platforms. |
| [04:15:34] | achew22: | if not to just be a frontend only compile |
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| [04:15:41] | achew22: | ah... |
| [04:15:51] | GreyFoxx: | There is no real "savings" otherwise |
| [04:15:56] | ShockValue: | well this is cool.. HD content all of a sudden wont play on my myth box |
| [04:16:01] | GreyFoxx: | unless you are worried about around 1 meg of diskspaces |
| [04:16:53] | ShockValue: | worked yesterday.. now when i tune a HD channel, it just stalls for 30 seconds and kicks me back to the menu |
| [04:17:09] | GreyFoxx: | the frontend requires all of the same libraries as the backend, so there is not much to be gained by frontend only |
| [04:17:12] | achew22: | GreyFoxx, how are you? |
| [04:20:08] | achew22: | what is the final verdict for what to do after tribune closes zap2it? |
| [04:20:20] | GreyFoxx: | Nothing is final yet :) |
| [04:20:37] | achew22: | thats unfortunate — is anyone working on a scraper yet? |
| [04:20:49] | GreyFoxx: | There are several out there I beleive |
| [04:21:17] | achew22: | well one will be declared the winner and someone will merge in an elegant way to myth and then I'll be happy again |
| [04:21:19] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't seen any of them, but I';ve seen them mentioned |
| [04:21:41] | GreyFoxx: | I doubt scrapers will be needed. but we'll see |
| [04:22:30] | Dr_willis: | bummer – havent heard about that going on. |
| [04:24:30] | GreyFoxx: | Eventually something will be mentioned on mythtv.org |
| [04:25:35] | clever: | GreyFoxx: i find a good use for a frontend only build is it wont have as many depends(no need for v4l or firewire or other capture headers) |
| [04:26:27] | GreyFoxx: | still, It's unsupported, and a couple of meg at most of diskspace |
| [04:26:46] | clever: | im not realy caring about the diskspace savings |
| [04:27:06] | clever: | but the ammount of extra packages i may need to install for capture support so the backend would compile and never get used |
| [04:27:20] | clever: | may also help to port the frontend alone to other os's |
| [04:27:41] | GreyFoxx: | That's what I said the frontend only option was for. porting to other OS's |
| [04:27:43] | clever: | backend porting will be alot more work since you need to redo the capture driver interfaces |
| [04:28:25] | GreyFoxx: | but people are using it to "streamline" their machines because of some percieved savings that's pretty trivial |
| [04:28:36] | clever: | lol |
| [04:28:51] | clever: | saving disk space wont improve performance |
| [04:29:14] | clever: | im even running backends on boxes which are more of frontends:P |
| [04:29:27] | clever: | i disabled comflaging on my only box with a capture card |
| [04:29:33] | clever: | and run a backend on the laptop frontend |
| [04:29:45] | clever: | effectively turning it into a dedicated comm flaging box |
| [04:30:16] | clever: | which i beleive helps with the coruption rate of my cheap framegrabber |
| [04:30:33] | GreyFoxx: | I never comflag :) |
| [04:30:48] | clever: | lol |
| [04:30:50] | achew22: | how do you tell the computer that your clock isn't utc but local? |
| [04:31:12] | clever: | you probly have to tell the os not the computer |
| [04:31:21] | clever: | and it would mainly depend on the distro |
| [04:31:27] | achew22: | clever, I used computer because it may be a bios fix or something |
| [04:31:30] | achew22: | gentoo |
| [04:31:40] | clever: | for my fulltime linux boxes i just set the clock to what the os thinks it is |
| [04:31:53] | achew22: | clever, I have to dualboot windows/linux windows is for work |
| [04:31:58] | clever: | the hardware clock the bios see's has no timezone setting |
| [04:32:13] | achew22: | clever, just covering my ass... |
| [04:32:21] | clever: | when linux boots it can either take that as utc and addjust to local or do it the other way arround |
| [04:32:28] | clever: | i forget what windows does |
| [04:32:34] | clever: | #gentoo might be able to help better |
| [04:32:37] | achew22: | okay |
| [04:32:50] | clever: | the clock within the linux kernel is in utc |
| [04:33:01] | clever: | and when any function gets the current time it gets converted over automaticaly |
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| [04:58:10] | rmoquin: | can anyone tell me what might cause sound in mythtv to all of a sudden stop working? I had switched mythtv to the pvr350 (after the sound was working looped through the sound card) sound output only, and when I realized I shouldn't have and switched back, my sound no longer works (sound in x works great and sound direct from the pvr350 works great) |
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| [05:02:37] | mikeones: | rmoquin: lsof | grep /dev/snd |
| [05:03:27] | rmoquin: | mikeones: ok, I see some output, anything specific I should be noting? |
| [05:03:46] | mikeones: | artsd? |
| [05:04:37] | clever: | lol crap |
| [05:04:42] | clever: | im playing with xrandr to fix my laptop |
| [05:04:47] | clever: | and the tv started to flicker |
| [05:04:58] | rmoquin: | mikeones: mixer_app 5671 ryan 18u CHR 116,11 14216 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| [05:05:17] | clever: | then i remembered i was watching mythtv:P |
| [05:05:26] | clever: | but that was still a diff host |
| [05:06:13] | clever: | the DISPLAY i had set for that term window was rerouting things on me:P |
| [05:07:03] | mikeones: | On my system artsd takes controll of /dev/snd but that does not seem to be the case here. |
| [05:07:23] | clever: | arts only starts if a prog needs arts |
| [05:07:39] | clever: | most of the time i think |
| [05:07:56] | clever: | arts is just a software mixer so things can share /dev/dsp |
| [05:08:03] | clever: | with alsa you dont realy need one as much |
| [05:08:28] | rmoquin: | mikeones: ah, everything had worked group looped through, I checked the box to switch to pvr out only, cause of misunderstanding, I went to configure my pvr350 out on x (installing the ivtvdev driver) and then I switch back to looped through and it didn't work.. could the ivtv driver have done anything? |
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| [05:10:00] | rmoquin: | mikeones: ivtvdev I mean? that's the last thing I mucked with before sound stopped working.. it's weird that sound works great, except in myth, nothing in myth has audio anymore |
| [05:10:38] | clever: | several things can go wrong with the audio in myth |
| [05:10:46] | clever: | it could be playback problems or recording problems |
| [05:11:00] | clever: | playing old recordings will show if its a playback problem |
| [05:11:05] | rmoquin: | clever: well, I tried every setting I could find :) I tested the audio out of the pvr350 and it works fine |
| [05:11:17] | rmoquin: | clever: no audio comes out of mythdvd |
| [05:11:28] | clever: | probly an output problem then |
| [05:11:35] | clever: | start something up in myth that makes autio |
| [05:11:38] | clever: | audio* |
| [05:11:40] | rmoquin: | clever: but output works great in x itself |
| [05:11:47] | rmoquin: | is there a difference? |
| [05:11:47] | clever: | then play with settings while mythtv is going |
| [05:11:58] | clever: | depends on what you have mythtv set to |
| [05:12:02] | clever: | and what the other progs are set to |
| [05:12:27] | clever: | my mythtv is set to use oss(/dev/dsp1) for audio on my main host |
| [05:13:44] | rmoquin: | clever: ok, I have nothing else running but mythfrontend (other than services which I haven't been playing with), so you are saying that I should play with the sound controls while myth runs? |
| [05:14:01] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:14:06] | clever: | so when you change the right option |
| [05:14:11] | clever: | youll hear sound start up instantly |
| [05:14:23] | clever: | so you can test all the little buttons faster |
| [05:14:29] | rmoquin: | clever: hmm ok, I can try it, I don't think there is much I can do other than volume but I'll see what stuff I can find to click :) |
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| [05:14:49] | clever: | you can also check to see what mythtv is doing when its playing |
| [05:14:55] | clever: | while mythtv is trying to play something |
| [05:15:03] | clever: | lsof|grep dsp;lsof|grep /dev/snd |
| [05:15:09] | clever: | anything listed by that? |
| [05:15:14] | rmoquin: | hmm that's a good idea.. one sec |
| [05:15:17] | clever: | while its playing a file |
| [05:15:27] | rmoquin: | not livetv? |
| [05:15:37] | clever: | either way |
| [05:15:43] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [05:15:46] | clever: | livetv will test both input and output at once |
| [05:16:00] | rmoquin: | I have that running |
| [05:16:11] | rmoquin: | and I received a line similar to what I pasted above |
| [05:16:16] | clever: | mythfront 8124 mythtv 27w CHR 14,19 8927 /dev/dsp1 |
| [05:16:20] | clever: | thats the one i see |
| [05:16:21] | rmoquin: | for mixer_app 5862 |
| [05:16:22] | clever: | so far |
| [05:16:31] | rmoquin: | I see nothing other than mixer_app |
| [05:16:36] | ** clever scrolls ip ** | |
| [05:16:44] | clever: | [29 00:05:05] <rmoquin> mikeones: mixer_app 5671 ryan 18u CHR 116,11 14216 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| [05:16:47] | rmoquin: | mixer_app 5852 ryan 18u CHR 116,8 13388 /dev/s |
| [05:16:52] | clever: | that one looks harmless |
| [05:17:02] | clever: | thats just watching the current volume levels for the alsa device |
| [05:17:08] | clever: | and posibly controling them |
| [05:17:10] | rmoquin: | yeah, nothing else popped up... which it looks like I should have seen mythfrontend? |
| [05:17:13] | rmoquin: | ahhhh ok |
| [05:17:19] | rmoquin: | would make sense |
| [05:17:27] | clever: | im watching an old recording atm on my box |
| [05:17:29] | clever: | so i see this |
| [05:17:31] | clever: | mythfront 8124 mythtv 27w CHR 14,19 8927 /dev/dsp1 |
| [05:17:39] | clever: | thats mythfront... using /dev/dsp1 to play sound |
| [05:17:42] | rmoquin: | hmmmm what would it mean if I don't see that? |
| [05:17:54] | clever: | that means mythtv doesnt have the sound device open |
| [05:18:01] | clever: | it probly had an error when starting up |
| [05:18:02] | rmoquin: | myth doesn't complain about sound, and the pvr350 audio option is NOT checked |
| [05:18:15] | rmoquin: | ok, I'll check for an error again on the frontend |
| [05:18:41] | rmoquin: | I would be fine with an error if I could simply see what it is |
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| [05:19:04] | clever: | you could restart it with mythfrontend -v audio |
| [05:19:16] | clever: | that will show lots of audio details as it runs |
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| [05:19:33] | rmoquin: | I do see an "invalid or unintialized device flyby now |
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| [05:19:53] | clever: | i get that ALOT |
| [05:20:04] | clever: | no idea what it is but even k3d(cd burner) does it |
| [05:20:16] | clever: | but i only seem to see it on my kde box |
| [05:20:59] | clever: | X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169 |
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| [05:21:10] | clever: | even mythfrntend is spiting it and it still works fine |
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| [05:21:26] | rmoquin: | ok, so with that command, I see a whole bunch of "WriteAudio" calls and amount of bytes free on "soundcard" |
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| [05:21:55] | clever: | yeah im getting that also |
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| [05:22:21] | clever: | try this cmd instead |
| [05:22:21] | rmoquin: | damn now all of a sudden esc won't quit myfrontend |
| [05:22:25] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [05:22:35] | clever: | mythfrontend -v audio > /tmp/frontendlog & |
| [05:22:43] | clever: | then play a file for a few seconds and close it |
| [05:22:52] | clever: | then open it up in any text viewer/editor |
| [05:23:08] | rmoquin: | clever: esc gets me out of livetv, but won't exit mythfrontend all of a sudden, is there something else I can hit? |
| [05:23:21] | clever: | go back to the term window where you started it |
| [05:23:24] | clever: | and just ctrl+c it |
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| [05:23:52] | rmoquin: | it's in fullscreen mode, I think I can kill it from my ssh term on this machine |
| [05:24:01] | clever: | alt+tab helps |
| [05:24:07] | clever: | but also ssh can help alot |
| [05:24:16] | clever: | you can view the output without having to alt+tab as much |
| [05:24:38] | rmoquin: | yeah alt+tab didn't do anything, I've been doing most stuff with ssh, yeah it's a huge help :) |
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| [05:25:10] | clever: | after i did ' mythfrontend -v audio > /tmp/frontendlog &' it left me with a log file with 11k lines(640kb) |
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| [05:25:24] | rmoquin: | ahhh son of a ... my ssh session ended for some reason, hence why the one command you gave me only brought back the mixer.. grr. let me reconnect and run that command again |
| [05:25:27] | clever: | the key stuff is probly in the area of this |
| [05:25:27] | clever: | 2007-06–29 00:21:26.535 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp1'. |
| [05:25:46] | clever: | my putty also crashed:P |
| [05:25:56] | clever: | right at that netsplit a few mins ago |
| [05:26:13] | clever: | but i also have ssh running on real linux on another box which rarely crashes |
| [05:26:22] | rmoquin: | clever: heh, yeah makes me feel stupid when that happens and I don't notice... was wondering why my "ps -A |grep mythfront" ddn't turn up any processes :) |
| [05:26:28] | clever: | lol |
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| [05:26:40] | clever: | i also use screen alot |
| [05:26:46] | rmoquin: | screen? |
| [05:26:46] | clever: | its learning curve is a bit sharp |
| [05:27:04] | clever: | but even if your putty crashes you dont loose any output |
| [05:27:08] | clever: | try running 'screen' in one of your ssh windows |
| [05:27:14] | rmoquin: | interesting, there was a mythfrontend process and mythfrontend.re process |
| [05:27:21] | clever: | 2007-06–29 00:21:26.686 AO: kickoffOutputAudioLoop: pid = 4509 |
| [05:27:35] | rmoquin: | yeah I'm running ssh from ubuntu into my other ubuntu box |
| [05:27:40] | clever: | that seems to sudjest it forked out a copy of itself to handle audio |
| [05:27:48] | clever: | which shows up under a second pid |
| [05:27:57] | clever: | once you run screen |
| [05:28:10] | clever: | youll get a welcome msg and then go back to what appears to be the same shell |
| [05:28:27] | clever: | now on a second term window to the same box do 'screen -x' |
| [05:28:41] | clever: | now if you do something in either of those youll see it in the other |
| [05:28:42] | rmoquin: | there we do.. not I got a bunch of mythfront entries when I run the "lsof|grep dsp;lsof|grep /dev/snd" command |
| [05:28:52] | clever: | good |
| [05:28:59] | clever: | www.pastebin.ca the list |
| [05:29:03] | clever: | and paste the url here |
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| [05:30:20] | rmoquin: | clever: http://www.pastebin.ca/594914 |
| [05:30:42] | clever: | mythfront 6370 ryan 19u CHR 116,8 14282 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
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| [05:30:51] | clever: | that seems to show that mythfrontend is using alsa |
| [05:30:54] | rmoquin: | right |
| [05:31:15] | clever: | so its not having any trouble getting that device connected |
| [05:31:17] | rmoquin: | I believe it was on that when it worked before, cause I hadn't messed with those settings |
| [05:31:25] | clever: | now we can check the mute and volume stuff |
| [05:31:28] | rmoquin: | nope, I don't think so, or I'd expect to get the error |
| [05:31:30] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [05:31:31] | clever: | alsamixer -c 0 |
| [05:31:35] | bruce_: | i have my imon VFD setup, and i can echo text to it, and lcdproc also works.. but it seems that mythtv doesnt display anything on it.. although i have mythtv set to use VFD/LCD |
| [05:31:38] | clever: | that will open up card 0 in the terminal |
| [05:31:42] | rmoquin: | I thought I had, but I might be having a blond moment, who knows :) |
| [05:31:59] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [05:31:59] | clever: | addjust the volume/mute on the master and pcm controls while something is playing |
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| [05:32:22] | rmoquin: | both are jacked |
| [05:32:23] | clever: | then repeat on alsamixer -c 1 and -c2 and -c 3 until it errors from not finding the card |
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| [05:32:26] | rmoquin: | and not muted |
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| [05:32:36] | clever: | got a pair of headphones? |
| [05:32:38] | rmoquin: | the 3d control one is muted, but that should be fine |
| [05:32:39] | rmoquin: | yeah |
| [05:32:44] | clever: | put them on |
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| [05:32:48] | rmoquin: | ok |
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| [05:32:52] | clever: | and plug into each output on the pc 1 by one |
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| [05:33:09] | clever: | pull the other stuff out of the way if needed and just put it back after |
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| [05:33:23] | clever: | see if you can hear the sound its playing on any of the plugs |
| [05:33:29] | wishie: | someone got alsa problems ? |
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| [05:33:43] | clever: | could be alsa problems but could also be mythtv or loose cables |
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| [05:33:58] | wishie: | ok, well, im a #alsa regular if that helps |
| [05:34:03] | clever: | ahh:) |
| [05:34:19] | rmoquin: | wishie: yeah, got problems with sound when it had previously worked.. those kind of problems :) |
| [05:34:23] | clever: | all ive confirmed so far is that mythtv has /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p open |
| [05:34:42] | clever: | so its not having trouble opening the device itself |
| [05:34:45] | rmoquin: | clever: I hear that no sound, sound when the volume is all the way up |
| [05:34:49] | wishie: | ok, well.. |
| [05:34:49] | clever: | and its not using /dev/dsp |
| [05:34:54] | rmoquin: | through the headphone |
| [05:35:00] | wishie: | www.wishie.net/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh |
| [05:35:01] | rmoquin: | so I know one output is def live |
| [05:35:04] | clever: | check any other outputs on the pc |
| [05:35:07] | wishie: | that will tell us all lots of info about his ALSA setup |
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| [05:35:19] | rmoquin: | the other one is quieter, so I don't think anything is coming out on that one |
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| [05:35:54] | rmoquin: | wishie: ok.. I like running new scripts without any regard :) hehe, j/k |
| [05:35:59] | clever: | lol |
| [05:36:04] | wishie: | take a look through it |
| [05:36:14] | wishie: | i wrote it. and google if you wish :) |
| [05:36:17] | rmoquin: | clever: I didn't check the pvr output since I've checked that before, though I can check it |
| [05:36:35] | rmoquin: | I have no other outputs besides 2 sound card ones and 1 pvr250 output |
| [05:36:58] | rmoquin: | wishie: I believe you... :) just playing around.. I would always check first if I'm concerned |
| [05:37:05] | clever: | could be usefull to just check every plug(even ones that appear to be inputs) just to be safe |
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| [05:37:46] | clever: | with my setup im using an external tuner(digital cable box) which splits the audio and video into 3 seperate sets of wires(composite,left,right) |
| [05:38:02] | clever: | then i feed the audio into a sound card that is pretty much dedicated to mythtv |
| [05:38:07] | wishie: | anyone got any idea why mythtv doesnt want to talk to my VFD ? |
| [05:38:29] | rmoquin: | clever: ok.. I'll do that real quick |
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| [05:38:33] | clever: | the output of that card goes to the tv |
| [05:38:48] | clever: | the other card is onboard and i use for feeding audio to the desk speakers |
| [05:38:54] | rmoquin: | wishie: did it auto upload the results? since I see it mention "uploaded results" |
| [05:38:57] | clever: | /dev/dsp goes to the speakers on my desk |
| [05:39:10] | wishie: | rmoquin: it will give you a URL if it succeeded |
| [05:39:10] | clever: | /dev/dsp1 goes to my tv and also inputs from the cable box |
| [05:39:17] | rmoquin: | ah |
| [05:39:27] | clever: | both also show up in alsa but i have yet to get mythtv to use a certain alsa dev |
| [05:39:29] | rmoquin: | ohhh I see it ok |
| [05:39:46] | rmoquin: | wishie: definitely good call by you to write the script |
| [05:39:51] | rmoquin: | wishie: alsamixer -c 0 |
| [05:39:53] | rmoquin: | grr |
| [05:40:03] | wishie: | heh |
| [05:40:06] | rmoquin: | wishie: try that again, http://pastebin.ca/594922 |
| [05:40:22] | wishie: | rmoquin: yeah, well, saves me (and the others in #alsa) from asking the same questions 1000 times a day |
| [05:40:34] | clever: | lol:) |
| [05:40:56] | rmoquin: | wishie: yeah I can imagine :) |
| [05:40:58] | wishie: | ahh, cmi8738-mc6 |
| [05:41:03] | wishie: | one of my favourites :) |
| [05:41:11] | wishie: | ive got custom .asoundrc's for that card too |
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| [05:41:47] | wishie: | but right now, your problem is what, exactly ? |
| [05:41:55] | clever: | sound doesnt work under mythtv |
| [05:42:00] | clever: | but works elsewhere |
| [05:42:09] | wishie: | ok |
| [05:42:20] | wishie: | is mythtv setup to use 'default' or 'hw:0,0' ? |
| [05:42:26] | wishie: | or is it still set to /dev/dsp ? |
| [05:42:44] | rmoquin: | wishie: it USED to work when I first installed myth, but stopped working when I was configuring X to use my pvr350 out |
| [05:42:49] | clever: | it appears to be set to some alsa device since i saw this in one of his lsof pastes |
| [05:42:53] | rmoquin: | wishie: default |
| [05:43:03] | rmoquin: | yeah I think default goes to alsa |
| [05:43:08] | wishie: | it does |
| [05:43:08] | clever: | http://www.pastebin.ca/594914 |
| [05:43:18] | wishie: | default is a link to hw:0,0 , via dmix |
| [05:43:27] | Dagmar: | Well, there was a great idea |
| [05:43:28] | wishie: | so multiple streams can play at once. |
| [05:43:31] | clever: | wishie: from that paste rmoquin made you can see its using alsa |
| [05:43:59] | rmoquin: | wishie: ahhh .. |
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| [05:45:19] | wishie: | hmm, so, to try... speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav |
| [05:45:20] | wishie: | works ? |
| [05:45:24] | wishie: | just to confirm |
| [05:45:24] | rmoquin: | wishie: the only thing I did related to sound after I had it working and before it stopped was checking the "audio through pvr 350 only" but have since turned it off.. was worried it got stuck on that option, but I checdked the db and it's off |
| [05:45:32] | rmoquin: | np, one sec |
| [05:46:15] | clever: | whoa |
| [05:46:17] | clever: | i ran that |
| [05:46:19] | rmoquin: | wishie: she has a sexy voice |
| [05:46:20] | clever: | left channel dead:P |
| [05:46:21] | rmoquin: | hehe |
| [05:46:28] | clever: | never noticed that before:P |
| [05:46:28] | wishie: | hah |
| [05:46:29] | rmoquin: | almost hypnotic |
| [05:46:50] | rmoquin: | wishie: but yes that works |
| [05:46:55] | wishie: | ok, so we know 'default' is working |
| [05:46:59] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [05:47:22] | wishie: | try setting mythtv to use 'dmix:0' |
| [05:47:26] | wishie: | see if that works. |
| [05:47:33] | rmoquin: | in the frontend? |
| [05:47:36] | wishie: | yeah |
| [05:48:06] | rmoquin: | clever: by the way, I notice a focus issue was causing escape to not exit the frontend btw |
| [05:48:09] | clever: | wishie: how would i set that speaker test to test only the left channel? |
| [05:48:16] | clever: | ahhh |
| [05:48:27] | wishie: | speaker-test -c1 -Ddefault -twav i think will do it |
| [05:48:30] | clever: | i get that randomly on my system with several moniters |
| [05:48:32] | wishie: | it will loop "front left" |
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| [05:49:10] | clever: | when i ran that on a system which i know works on both |
| [05:49:16] | rmoquin: | wishie: ok, I put that for mixer device, restart the frontend or should it work without restarting? |
| [05:49:18] | clever: | i heard the word front/left comming out of both |
| [05:49:36] | clever: | but thats routed thru several linein's |
| [05:49:37] | wishie: | rmoquin: put that for the playback device. |
| [05:49:43] | wishie: | the mixer device should be 'default' |
| [05:49:46] | rmoquin: | oh ok |
| [05:50:00] | wishie: | using /dev/mixer is pointless, as thats just getting alsa's oss emulation to do extra work |
| [05:50:08] | ** clever rewires the speakers a bit so the linux is last ** | |
| [05:50:38] | rmoquin: | wishie: "Audio output device"? |
| [05:50:39] | wishie: | rmoquin: on a side note.. how many speakers are connected to the card ? a 5.1 system ? |
| [05:50:42] | wishie: | rmoquin: yes |
| [05:50:44] | rmoquin: | yeah 5.1 |
| [05:50:51] | rmoquin: | not using spdif though |
| [05:51:01] | rmoquin: | not normal connections in and out |
| [05:51:01] | wishie: | would you like all 6 speakers to work, instead of the 4 currently working ? |
| [05:51:10] | rmoquin: | wishie: hell yeah :) |
| [05:51:24] | rmoquin: | wishie: was afraid to even try with all the problems I keep causing |
| [05:51:31] | clever: | there |
| [05:51:31] | wishie: | we'll get that going, once sound is setup |
| [05:51:42] | clever: | now the onboard card of theP4 goes right to my desk speakers |
| [05:51:51] | clever: | clever@theP4:~$ speaker-test -c1 -Ddefault -twav |
| [05:51:55] | clever: | still comes out of both |
| [05:52:00] | wishie: | hmm |
| [05:52:02] | rmoquin: | wishie: "Audio output device"? |
| [05:52:10] | rmoquin: | is that correct for what you wanted me to change? |
| [05:52:17] | wishie: | rmoquin: try it as dmix:0 first of all, yeah |
| [05:52:30] | rmoquin: | ok, so I did that and it says I have no audio |
| [05:52:38] | wishie: | try simply dmix then |
| [05:52:41] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [05:52:47] | wishie: | perhaps myth doesnt like the :0 |
| [05:53:09] | clever: | i had an imposible time trying to get myth to use the non default alsa device |
| [05:53:16] | clever: | so i just gave up and pointed it at /dev/dsp1 |
| [05:53:20] | rmoquin: | error opening audio device |
| [05:53:24] | rmoquin: | (dmix) |
| [05:53:37] | wishie: | hmm |
| [05:53:53] | ** wishie checks your script output again ** | |
| [05:53:56] | rmoquin: | clever: what's dsp1? I've seen dsp |
| [05:54:04] | clever: | thats the second sound card |
| [05:54:12] | rmoquin: | clever: I only have one sound card |
| [05:54:16] | rmoquin: | oh |
| [05:54:18] | clever: | dsp is the onboard card and dsp1 is the pci card |
| [05:54:19] | rmoquin: | sorry :)( |
| [05:54:20] | clever: | i think both are oss emulations |
| [05:54:32] | wishie: | they are both emulations |
| [05:54:37] | rmoquin: | I'm getting tired and answered your statement retardedly |
| [05:54:40] | clever: | also the 'acer' box has lost the ability to beep since i just rewired things:P |
| [05:54:50] | ** clever looks to see where its going ** | |
| [05:54:52] | rmoquin: | clever: nice I hate those stupid beeps |
| [05:55:05] | rmoquin: | clever: windows makes me want to rip the speaker right out |
| [05:55:19] | wishie: | rmoquin: well, we can test if its something myth is doing wrong.. set the front end to use hw:0,0 |
| [05:55:27] | clever: | ;p; |
| [05:55:29] | wishie: | we wont want to keep that setting, but try it for now |
| [05:55:33] | clever: | brb |
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| [05:55:48] | rmoquin: | wishie: ok, so that goes in the same spot as I was putting the dmix? |
| [05:55:59] | wishie: | in "Audio Output Device" yeah |
| [05:56:25] | rmoquin: | wishie: ok want to make sure I do this correctly... |
| [05:56:27] | clever: | fixed |
| [05:56:33] | clever: | had a in and out wire backwards |
| [05:56:34] | rmoquin: | wishie: error opening audio |
| [05:56:40] | rmoquin: | same error as the other ones |
| [05:56:42] | wishie: | error ? thats interesting |
| [05:56:45] | rmoquin: | for hw:0,0 |
| [05:56:49] | clever: | back to my testing |
| [05:56:54] | rmoquin: | yeah says, "No such file or directory" |
| [05:56:56] | wishie: | since hw:0,0 is the actual device. straight to hw |
| [05:57:09] | rmoquin: | wishie: oh, interesting |
| [05:57:56] | wishie: | can you paste your /usr/share/alsa/cards/CMI8738-MC6.conf please, on pastebin |
| [05:58:04] | rmoquin: | wishie: sure |
| [05:59:05] | wishie: | brb |
| [06:00:24] | wishie: | doh! |
| [06:00:34] | wishie: | i think i sorted it out |
| [06:00:41] | wishie: | set it as ALSA:default |
| [06:00:44] | rmoquin: | for mine? |
| [06:00:46] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [06:00:49] | wishie: | yeah |
| [06:00:59] | wishie: | not used to having to prepend ALSA: |
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| [06:01:20] | rmoquin: | yeah that should be what it was originally |
| [06:01:57] | wishie: | then we can try directly... ALSA:dmix etc etc |
| [06:02:02] | wishie: | and figure out where its going wrong |
| [06:02:24] | rmoquin: | unable to set alsa parameters |
| [06:03:32] | clever: | when i use -c1 it outputs thru both channels |
| [06:03:45] | clever: | when i use -c2 on some computers |
| [06:03:50] | wishie: | clever: odd. ill test here in a minute |
| [06:03:50] | clever: | it alternates between left and right |
| [06:03:51] | rmoquin: | wishie: in case you want it: http://pastebin.ca/594937 |
| [06:03:55] | wishie: | -c is channels |
| [06:03:59] | clever: | yeah |
| [06:04:04] | clever: | when i use it on the tvout |
| [06:04:09] | clever: | even without having to walk up to it |
| [06:04:21] | clever: | i can hear it alternating between noise and no noise |
| [06:04:27] | clever: | left channel is fully dead |
| [06:04:33] | rmoquin: | wishie: in case you didn't realize it, that "unable to set alsa parameters" is what myth responded with |
| [06:04:42] | wishie: | yeah |
| [06:04:49] | wishie: | is there any more info in the console about it ? |
| [06:04:53] | wishie: | rmoquin: thats for you |
| [06:05:51] | wishie: | and this all happened since tell mythtv to use the PVR ? |
| [06:05:56] | rmoquin: | wishie: ok so I got a couple errors |
| [06:06:29] | rmoquin: | wishie: yeah, nothign else I did was even remotely related to sound, I'm a saavy programmer, I normally don't touch anything I can't reverse or that doesn't need touched :( |
| [06:06:32] | rmoquin: | er :) |
| [06:07:09] | rmoquin: | wishie: "AudioOutput Error: Rate doesn't match (request 44100Hz, got 48000Hz" |
| [06:07:25] | rmoquin: | wishie: that's after it says it's opening dmix |
| [06:07:41] | rmoquin: | wishie: then it disables it due to being unable to set the parameters |
| [06:07:45] | wishie: | ok |
| [06:08:03] | wishie: | 'dmix' isnt a 'type plug' so expects a certain sample rate/format |
| [06:08:19] | wishie: | 'default' uses 'type plug' so does automatic rate/format conversion |
| [06:08:20] | rmoquin: | wishie: I know I had to have done somethign to it but can't think what could have had this kind of side effect |
| [06:08:39] | rmoquin: | wishie: ok, makes sense :) |
| [06:08:57] | wishie: | as far as the ALSA side of things goes, if speaker-test works, then ALSA works. |
| [06:09:16] | rmoquin: | wishie: yeah I'm convinced the sound itself isn't the problem |
| [06:09:21] | wishie: | if ALSA:default isnt working, then something is screwy with myth |
| [06:09:38] | rmoquin: | wishie: I'm convinced that even though the pvr audio option is off, it's still trying to send the audio through it only |
| [06:09:42] | wishie: | you havent run alsaconf or anything ? |
| [06:09:51] | rmoquin: | wishie: I'm guessing if it was then the regular sound wouldn't work |
| [06:10:13] | rmoquin: | wishie: no, I'm using whatever the defaults for ubuntu feisty is, which is supposed to be the correct settings for myth, and was originally |
| [06:10:38] | rmoquin: | wishie: could reinstall ubuntu but would rather know what the hell is wrong with it rather than avoid the issue |
| [06:10:44] | wishie: | and you have ESD turned off in gnome (if you are using it) ? |
| [06:11:18] | wishie: | clever: so you still use the /dev/dsp settings ? |
| [06:11:35] | clever: | im using /dev/dsp1 for mythtv |
| [06:11:45] | rmoquin: | wishie: what's ESD? |
| [06:12:03] | wishie: | Enlightened Sound Daemon |
| [06:12:10] | rmoquin: | oh, never heard of it |
| [06:12:11] | wishie: | its what gnome uses by default |
| [06:12:23] | rmoquin: | never tried to do anything with it, how do I check it? |
| [06:12:30] | wishie: | it has an uncanny way of blocking the sound card, for a period of time, after its finished using it |
| [06:12:38] | wishie: | but if you havent changed it, then i doubt its the issue here |
| [06:12:40] | rmoquin: | interesting |
| [06:12:50] | rmoquin: | not purposefully :) |
| [06:13:15] | wishie: | well, gimme a minute.. |
| [06:13:47] | rmoquin: | interesting, Enable software sound mixing (ESD) is checked in my sounds |
| [06:13:55] | rmoquin: | should I uncheck that? |
| [06:14:03] | wishie: | do you use system sounds etc ? |
| [06:14:11] | wishie: | you can congifure gnome to use ALSA directly anyway, i think |
| [06:14:14] | rmoquin: | they are on, but I could care less about them |
| [06:14:20] | wishie: | i know you can in KDE |
| [06:14:36] | rmoquin: | probably rather they were off, only really care about sound in myth since all my media should be through that |
| [06:14:50] | wishie: | ok |
| [06:15:07] | wishie: | get rid of ESD then, although its likely not the issue here.. unless |
| [06:15:09] | rmoquin: | so uncheck that one, and uncheck the "Play system sounds"? or does that one not matter? |
| [06:15:21] | wishie: | there is a system sound event, right before you open mythtfrontend |
| [06:15:26] | rmoquin: | oh it grays it out either way |
| [06:15:45] | rmoquin: | wishie: the start up sounds, but I don't think those have played for a while since we've been testing things |
| [06:16:30] | rmoquin: | the low res of the pvr350 is pretty irritating since you can't see much of anytthing :) |
| [06:16:31] | wishie: | http://www.wishie.net/alsa/configs/asoundrc.cmi8738-mc6 <-- by the way, thats my config to get stereo sounds on all 6 speakers on the CMI8738-MC6 |
| [06:16:49] | rmoquin: | wishie: nice |
| [06:17:17] | wishie: | yeah, i just setup a nice mythtv box here, but i want the VFD working.. but yeah, full 1920x1080p display with 1920x1080i DVB signal tv |
| [06:17:28] | clever: | wishie: the onboard card i have on XP |
| [06:17:37] | clever: | wishie: can use its mic as a center+woofer output |
| [06:17:48] | clever: | wishie: and the linein can be used as a left/right rear output |
| [06:17:57] | wishie: | clever: yeah, should work that way in linux too |
| [06:18:03] | clever: | wishie: ive played with it a bit in 4 speaker mode |
| [06:18:04] | rmoquin: | wishie: that would be pretty sweet |
| [06:18:18] | clever: | but i dont plan to switch the os on that pc any time soon |
| [06:18:26] | clever: | its still running some winblows based services |
| [06:18:50] | wishie: | thankfully im now 100% linux at home |
| [06:19:19] | rmoquin: | wishie: nice, core dump when I switched back to ALSA:default :) |
| [06:19:21] | clever: | theres 3 xp boxes in my house |
| [06:19:25] | clever: | 2 that my dad has |
| [06:19:32] | clever: | and 1 on my kvm for some mirc windows running scripts |
| [06:19:49] | wishie: | rmoquin: hmm, when set to ALSA:default, mythfrontend core dumps ? |
| [06:20:15] | wishie: | clever: i have gentoo, debian, and xandros boxes at the moment..heh |
| [06:20:20] | rmoquin: | wishie: yeah never did before... but I think it's having a hard time switching to the new setting I put it on.. cause sometimes it thinks it still using dmix |
| [06:20:52] | wishie: | rmoquin: the way it works is this.. |
| [06:21:01] | rmoquin: | wishie: keeps resetting itself to dmix |
| [06:21:13] | wishie: | default -> 'plug' plugin -> dmix ->hw:0,0 |
| [06:21:18] | clever: | i have 3x ubuntu |
| [06:21:21] | clever: | 3x xp |
| [06:21:26] | clever: | and a linuxfromscratch |
| [06:21:32] | clever: | that are on regulary |
| [06:21:37] | wishie: | clever: oh yeah, a few ubuntu boxes, ready to sell..but i dont count them |
| [06:21:45] | wishie: | my car has XP in it though |
| [06:21:55] | clever: | id like to put a pc in my van/jeep later on |
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| [06:22:32] | rmoquin: | naked chicks are on, nice |
| [06:22:47] | wishie: | rmoquin: hmm, want to try my config, which redefines 'default' anyway ? |
| [06:22:49] | wishie: | see if that helps |
| [06:23:03] | rmoquin: | wishie: guess I gotta hit enter in the field after I change params... so now I get a pic, and no sound again |
| [06:23:26] | t3soro: | does mythtv support laptop tuner cards? |
| [06:23:35] | rmoquin: | wishie: won't hurt to try.. bothers me to change all this stuff when it used to work without changing it... really dying to know what the heck happened to this |
| [06:23:42] | wishie: | if linux supports, it, then mythtv should. |
| [06:23:50] | clever: | t3soro: do you see a /dev/video* item from that card? |
| [06:23:57] | wishie: | rmoquin: well, it will allow the 6 channel sound anyway.. |
| [06:24:06] | rmoquin: | wishie: def |
| [06:24:07] | t3soro: | clever: no |
| [06:24:20] | wishie: | rmoquin: ok, the asoundrc link i posted before..do you need it again ? |
| [06:24:39] | clever: | t3soro: either the drivers dont use the v4l standard,they arent loading, or they dont exist yet |
| [06:24:57] | wishie: | put it in the home dir of the user that runs mythtv, as .asoundrc |
| [06:25:00] | t3soro: | the card is a hauppauge card, but i have no idea what version it is (its branded by hp and doesnt say a model number) |
| [06:25:19] | clever: | t3soro: check the output of lspci |
| [06:28:32] | rmoquin: | wishie: I got your one with the CMI config, I copied it in, what do I have to do to try it out? |
| [06:28:33] | t3soro: | its not listed in there. i guess its not compatibvle |
| [06:28:51] | wishie: | rmoquin: as the user whose home dir its in.. |
| [06:29:05] | wishie: | rmoquin: first of all, run alsamixer , and turn off '4 channel mode' |
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| [06:30:36] | wishie: | once that is done.. speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav |
| [06:30:50] | wishie: | should say "front left" and "front right" but will be from many speakers :) |
| [06:31:20] | rmoquin: | wiwishie: so just to make sure, the link you sent should .asoundrc in my home dir right? |
| [06:31:44] | wishie: | the asoundrc.cmi8738-mc6 or whatever i called it |
| [06:31:50] | rmoquin: | yeah |
| [06:31:57] | wishie: | save it as .asoundrc in your users home dir, OR as /etc/asound.conf |
| [06:32:01] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [06:32:07] | wishie: | /etc/asound.conf is the system wide config file |
| [06:35:24] | rmoquin: | wishie: seems to only do both speakers still |
| [06:35:33] | rmoquin: | I put it as .asoundrc in my home dir |
| [06:35:35] | wishie: | you turned off 4 channel mode ? |
| [06:35:53] | rmoquin: | yep |
| [06:36:01] | wishie: | and you ran speaker-test as that same user ? |
| [06:36:18] | rmoquin: | hmmm alsa:default is def broke now :) |
| [06:36:21] | rmoquin: | yep |
| [06:36:39] | wishie: | speaker-test -c2 -Dch51dup -twav |
| [06:36:40] | rmoquin: | yep put it in my ryan home die |
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| [06:37:39] | wishie: | hmm, done a sytem update recently ? can you tell me which version of libasound is installed please |
| [06:37:39] | rmoquin: | still keeps saying left and right for front, could I have one in the system wide that's overriding? |
| [06:37:51] | rmoquin: | yeah I did update recently |
| [06:37:54] | rmoquin: | how do I check the version? |
| [06:37:54] | wishie: | rmoquin: yeah, it will only say front left/right |
| [06:38:03] | wishie: | but it should be coming from the other speakers aswell |
| [06:38:14] | rmoquin: | ah, ok.. nope not from the other speakers |
| [06:38:26] | wishie: | run alsa-info for me again |
| [06:38:58] | rmoquin: | http://pastebin.ca/594965 |
| [06:39:38] | wishie: | ahh |
| [06:39:40] | wishie: | in alsamixer.. |
| [06:39:50] | wishie: | line-in mode should be set to "rear output" |
| [06:39:58] | rmoquin: | ohhh yeah forgot about that one |
| [06:40:08] | wishie: | and mic-in mode to "Center/LFE" |
| [06:42:08] | rmoquin: | nope, and to save you the trouble, uploading my settings again :) |
| [06:42:30] | rmoquin: | http://pastebin.ca/594967 |
| [06:42:46] | rmoquin: | ran both ones you gave me to ran to test |
| [06:44:18] | wishie: | hmm, and using speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -twav as the user ryan, doesnt work ? |
| [06:44:28] | wishie: | if not, then something IS screwy with ALSA |
| [06:45:12] | rmoquin: | nope, doesn't appear to.. |
| [06:45:24] | rmoquin: | just goes back and forth on the two speakers |
| [06:45:39] | wishie: | are you close to the other speakers ? |
| [06:45:48] | rmoquin: | not sure what I should do next.. don't understand why this is so screwed up |
| [06:45:51] | rmoquin: | yeah, pretty close |
| [06:45:59] | rmoquin: | closer to the back speakers than the front |
| [06:46:05] | wishie: | cause i have them set quieter than the fronts |
| [06:46:07] | wishie: | oh ok |
| [06:46:17] | wishie: | ok, as i was saying before.. |
| [06:46:22] | wishie: | done a system update recently ? |
| [06:46:28] | rmoquin: | yeah |
| [06:46:34] | wishie: | there have been reported issues with alsa libs 1.0.14a |
| [06:46:39] | rmoquin: | it's possible that hosed something to |
| [06:46:40] | rmoquin: | oh really? |
| [06:46:49] | rmoquin: | hmmm that could explain a lot |
| [06:46:53] | wishie: | dpkg -l |grep ^ii |grep asound |
| [06:46:57] | rmoquin: | I know I def applied all updates |
| [06:47:04] | rmoquin: | looked innocent enough :) |
| [06:47:33] | rmoquin: | ii libasound2 1.0.13–1ubuntu5 |
| [06:47:46] | wishie: | hm ok |
| [06:47:55] | rmoquin: | kinda wish it was 14 |
| [06:48:00] | wishie: | cause i know the 1.0.14a release was to fix broken plugin dirs. |
| [06:48:07] | rmoquin: | ahhh |
| [06:48:12] | wishie: | ie, dmix, route, plug, etc, that we are using :) |
| [06:48:27] | rmoquin: | ah but the 14 release broke more than it fixed? |
| [06:48:56] | rmoquin: | god it's going to be fun getting up for work in the morning, but I'm so tired of this problem, dying to know what the heck is wrong with it |
| [06:48:59] | wishie: | well, the alsa-driver package was a VAST improvment. |
| [06:49:07] | rmoquin: | oh really |
| [06:49:09] | rmoquin: | ? |
| [06:49:10] | wishie: | especially for hda-intel based cards |
| [06:49:38] | wishie: | and there is no alsa-libs update for ubuntu ? odd.. |
| [06:50:16] | wishie: | ill have to talk to the maintainer about that |
| [06:50:29] | rmoquin: | doesn't appear to be |
| [06:50:40] | rmoquin: | go figure there are 3 new updates now |
| [06:50:48] | rmoquin: | I just applied 2 like a couple hours ago |
| [06:50:50] | rmoquin: | wonder what they are |
| [06:51:09] | rmoquin: | all libexif stuff |
| [06:51:12] | wishie: | asking the packager now |
| [06:51:14] | wishie: | brb |
| [06:51:18] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [06:51:47] | wishie: | try this in the meantime.. |
| [06:51:56] | wishie: | speaker-test -c6 -Dplug:dmix6 -twav |
| [06:52:16] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [06:53:17] | rmoquin: | ok, now it's trying to play the other speakers, but nothing comes out of them |
| [06:53:23] | wishie: | ok |
| [06:53:26] | wishie: | wiring issue ? |
| [06:53:54] | rmoquin: | nope |
| [06:53:56] | wishie: | that should be working.. that 'device' is only using the dmix plugin |
| [06:54:08] | rmoquin: | I know surround works on my xbox and all that |
| [06:54:13] | wishie: | speaker-test -c2 -Ddmix -twav |
| [06:55:01] | wishie: | wish i was at home, so i could test locally, instead of via ssh :) |
| [06:55:02] | rmoquin: | sigh, nothing seems to want to work |
| [06:55:10] | rmoquin: | heh |
| [06:55:11] | wishie: | any error with that one ? |
| [06:55:21] | rmoquin: | yeah I'm doing ssh and then listening to my speakers |
| [06:55:23] | rmoquin: | nope |
| [06:55:24] | rmoquin: | no errors |
| [06:55:37] | wishie: | and it played sound on the front 2 speakers ? |
| [06:55:44] | rmoquin: | "Playback device is dmix" |
| [06:55:45] | rmoquin: | yep |
| [06:55:48] | wishie: | ok |
| [06:55:51] | wishie: | so dmix is working |
| [06:55:59] | rmoquin: | says 2 channels |
| [06:56:00] | wishie: | the 'dmix' device uses the dmix plugin |
| [06:56:09] | rmoquin: | ok |
| [06:56:52] | wishie: | ok |
| [06:56:58] | wishie: | speaker-test -c2 -Drear -twav |
| [06:57:40] | rmoquin: | that displays front left/right but no sound |
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| [06:57:55] | wishie: | hmm, that should play those sounds, but on the rear speakers. |
| [06:58:27] | wishie: | turn off IEC958 5V in alsamixer |
| [06:58:28] | rmoquin: | my amp doesn't list those speakers as available |
| [06:58:37] | wishie: | it will most likely toggle back on soon after though |
| [06:58:39] | rmoquin: | such as a stereo feed, that doesn't matter though right? |
| [06:58:59] | wishie: | your amp is only a stereo amp ? |
| [06:59:11] | rmoquin: | no it supports everything |
| [06:59:19] | wishie: | ok, and its in which mode ? |
| [06:59:22] | rmoquin: | it just thinks it's only getting a stereo signal, it shouldn't think otherwise right? |
| [06:59:34] | wishie: | oh, with that, it will be getting stereo |
| [06:59:52] | wishie: | with the -c6 -Dplug:dmix6 it should be getting analogue 6 channel though |
| [06:59:54] | rmoquin: | well it's detecting stereo, I have it in the simulated 5.1 for stereo inputs since I don't have a digital in from the mythbox |
| [07:00:03] | rmoquin: | hmm |
| [07:00:13] | rmoquin: | not sure if it will change it config for that or not |
| [07:00:39] | wishie: | can you turn off the simulated stuff on the amp for now ? |
| [07:00:47] | wishie: | you have 3 x cables from the pc to the amp though, right ? |
| [07:01:17] | rmoquin: | only 2, I have an svideo directly to my projector |
| [07:01:42] | rmoquin: | ok turned over the closest thing I have in alsa mixer, but no sound |
| [07:01:44] | wishie: | for this 6 channel to work, you need 3 x audio cables from the pc to the amp |
| [07:01:46] | rmoquin: | it just didn't have a V at the end |
| [07:02:06] | rmoquin: | 3 audio cables? where does the third one come from? I only have a left and right... |
| [07:02:11] | rmoquin: | they third is usually a video |
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| [07:02:35] | wishie: | you are using what type of cable to connect sound card to amp ? |
| [07:02:51] | rmoquin: | just normal rca |
| [07:03:19] | wishie: | headphone jack -> RCA or RCA -> RCA |
| [07:03:53] | rmoquin: | headphone jack to rca |
| [07:03:58] | wishie: | ok |
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| [07:04:08] | wishie: | you will want 3 of them, for 5.1 from the PC |
| [07:04:17] | rmoquin: | ohhhhh |
| [07:04:21] | wishie: | 1 carries front left/right |
| [07:04:23] | rmoquin: | you know what, I got what you are saying |
| [07:04:26] | wishie: | 2nd carries rear left/right |
| [07:04:31] | wishie: | 3rd carries center/lfe |
| [07:04:32] | rmoquin: | yeah I got a second output |
| [07:04:37] | rmoquin: | that would turn on |
| [07:04:39] | rmoquin: | duh |
| [07:04:41] | rmoquin: | I am getting tired |
| [07:04:43] | rmoquin: | stupid me |
| [07:04:54] | rmoquin: | though by turning that on, it turns off my input for myth |
| [07:05:32] | rmoquin: | I'm forgetting the extra output on the card |
| [07:05:45] | wishie: | yeah, the sound card has 3 outputs |
| [07:05:55] | wishie: | and you can toggle some of them as inputs. |
| [07:06:00] | rmoquin: | right |
| [07:06:03] | rmoquin: | now I am with you |
| [07:06:11] | wishie: | your setup is a simple PC(mythtv) -> amp ? |
| [07:06:26] | rmoquin: | I was thinking it somehow encoded it over the rcas |
| [07:06:31] | rmoquin: | yeah |
| [07:06:46] | wishie: | and the pvr passes its audio how ? |
| [07:06:48] | rmoquin: | just pvr350, looped into sound card, then sound card out to amp |
| [07:06:55] | wishie: | ahh ok |
| [07:07:03] | rmoquin: | even if the pvr was hooked up wrong |
| [07:07:19] | rmoquin: | mythdvd still doesn't output anything |
| [07:07:22] | wishie: | the PVR350 cant do that over the bus, or internally via the "CD" plug on the inside of the card ? |
| [07:07:36] | wishie: | is mythdvd set to use xine for playback ? |
| [07:07:56] | rmoquin: | I believe so |
| [07:08:07] | rmoquin: | I'm pretty sure I changed it to that a day or two ago |
| [07:08:08] | rmoquin: | I'll check |
| [07:08:11] | wishie: | ok, its got seperate sound settings, in some cases..heh |
| [07:08:17] | rmoquin: | go figure :) |
| [07:08:50] | rmoquin: | oh it's on Internal I must have turned the normal video ones to xine |
| [07:08:59] | wishie: | so yeah, that could be an issue |
| [07:09:02] | wishie: | oh, ok |
| [07:09:06] | rmoquin: | so I shoudl change this to xine then? |
| [07:10:01] | rmoquin: | I tried playing dvds straight off my hd, I think that would go through the mythvideo stuff though actually |
| [07:10:05] | rmoquin: | which is set to xine I believe |
| [07:10:14] | rmoquin: | yeah |
| [07:10:17] | rmoquin: | it is |
| [07:11:11] | wishie: | ok, and you are testing if audio is working with mythtdvd ? right ? |
| [07:11:18] | rmoquin: | starting to think I'm better of reinstalling ubuntu but worried I'll end up hitting the snag again |
| [07:11:38] | rmoquin: | actually I'mn not sure what it's going through |
| [07:11:49] | rmoquin: | I have dvds on my hard drive in dvd filesystem format |
| [07:12:00] | wishie: | rmoquin: try the mythmusic |
| [07:12:07] | rmoquin: | I'm playing those directly, those get played with mythdvd or mythvideo? |
| [07:12:14] | wishie: | so we know if its internal, or mplayer or xine etc |
| [07:12:15] | rmoquin: | ha, mythmusic freaks out when I try it |
| [07:12:25] | rmoquin: | it goes into a loop with the time |
| [07:12:27] | wishie: | play a sound file i mean :P |
| [07:12:46] | rmoquin: | it's say something like 3:06, 3:05, 3:04, 3:06, 3:05 |
| [07:12:50] | rmoquin: | and no sound comes out |
| [07:13:02] | wishie: | when playing an audio file ? |
| [07:13:08] | rmoquin: | yep |
| [07:13:14] | wishie: | hmm |
| [07:13:29] | wishie: | something is certainly screwed, with myth i think |
| [07:13:41] | wishie: | you can always reinstall those packages |
| [07:13:49] | wishie: | purge them, and re-install them |
| [07:14:04] | rmoquin: | yeah that's why I'm thinking |
| [07:14:14] | rmoquin: | how do I purge them? I did a reinstall earlier which didn't help |
| [07:14:20] | wishie: | or use something like knoppmyth, if its a dedicated mythtv box |
| [07:14:38] | wishie: | apt-get remove --purge <package1> <package2> etc etc |
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| [07:14:47] | rmoquin: | I hate to go away from ubuntu but I will if I have to, it used to work which is what bothers me |
| [07:14:48] | wishie: | then apt-get install <package1> <package2> |
| [07:15:15] | wishie: | you could even blow the DB away, if you dont mind setting up myth again |
| [07:15:21] | wishie: | that way, you know its not a problem in there |
| [07:15:43] | rmoquin: | looks like it did the same thing as it did earlier when I removed it |
| [07:15:54] | wishie: | --purge removes the config files too |
| [07:15:57] | rmoquin: | ah |
| [07:16:03] | wishie: | apt-get remove by itself, doesnt. |
| [07:16:16] | rmoquin: | don't feel like reconfiguring it but kinda want to be safe.. I'll go in and drop the db |
| [07:16:25] | rmoquin: | wasted way too much time on this issue as it is :) |
| [07:16:49] | rmoquin: | I tout how great myth is, yet I can't get it set up again (used to have it setup and working great on this machine like 2 years ago) |
| [07:17:29] | wishie: | yeah |
| [07:17:37] | wishie: | i only just got it working 'nicely' with my hardware |
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| [07:17:51] | wishie: | now i have all the opengl stuff working, fast. and reliable |
| [07:17:54] | rmoquin: | ok reinstalling |
| [07:18:03] | rmoquin: | with a dropped db |
| [07:18:03] | wishie: | with the last install, opengl menus wouldnt work, and it was sluggish |
| [07:18:06] | rmoquin: | nice |
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| [07:18:38] | wishie: | i sorta chose the wrong cpu for the task though.. in hindsight |
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| [07:19:29] | wishie: | but surely the PVR350 can send the audio via the bus (dma) ? |
| [07:19:51] | rmoquin: | peanut |
| [07:19:53] | mattwj2005: | good early early morning |
| [07:19:55] | rmoquin: | ugh |
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| [07:20:15] | mattwj2005: | 2:20 am I am work tomorrow :( |
| [07:20:19] | rmoquin: | yeah early morening makes me speak gibberish |
| [07:20:24] | rmoquin: | yeah I work in 4 hours |
| [07:20:26] | rmoquin: | sweet |
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| [07:20:51] | mattwj2005: | yeah I work in about 4 hours too |
| [07:20:53] | wishie: | 5:20pm here |
| [07:21:12] | wishie: | and i dont work until 4:30pm tomorrow |
| [07:21:22] | mattwj2005: | nice :) |
| [07:21:40] | rmoquin: | heh |
| [07:21:43] | wishie: | damn cold here though :( |
| [07:21:51] | rmoquin: | fun get to set myth back up.. don't care long as this works this time |
| [07:21:56] | mattwj2005: | what temp do you have? |
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| [07:22:05] | wishie: | got to ~5C last night |
| [07:22:15] | mattwj2005: | brr |
| [07:22:33] | wishie: | and i work with freezers at work |
| [07:22:37] | wishie: | BLAST freezers |
| [07:22:45] | wishie: | -32 in those bastards |
| [07:22:49] | mattwj2005: | we have 15 C here |
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| [07:23:03] | wishie: | mattwj2005: where abouts are you ? |
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| [07:23:09] | mattwj2005: | Minneapolis |
| [07:23:11] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [07:23:14] | wishie: | ahh |
| [07:23:20] | mattwj2005: | you wishie? |
| [07:23:32] | wishie: | thought "couldnt be american, cause they are talking in C , not F" |
| [07:23:35] | wishie: | Australia |
| [07:23:53] | mattwj2005: | lol....to be honest I used my computer to convert ;) |
| [07:24:04] | wishie: | mattwj2005: haha |
| [07:24:05] | mattwj2005: | 59 F |
| [07:24:44] | wishie: | so when you guys gonna move to metric, and the 21st century ? :P |
| [07:24:52] | mattwj2005: | lol |
| [07:25:03] | mattwj2005: | good question :P |
| [07:25:12] | mattwj2005: | in someways we are meteric |
| [07:25:39] | wishie: | 1 millimeter = 0.0393700787 inches |
| [07:25:42] | wishie: | rofl. |
| [07:25:43] | mattwj2005: | our bottles of soda are measured in liters and so are our cars |
| [07:26:00] | wishie: | mattwj2005: liters? engine size ? |
| [07:26:06] | wishie: | yet fuel is still by the gallon ? |
| [07:26:12] | mattwj2005: | yup like a 3.1 liter v6 |
| [07:26:19] | mattwj2005: | yup that is true |
| [07:26:26] | wishie: | haha |
| [07:26:30] | mattwj2005: | gas is about $2.85 usd per gallon |
| [07:26:37] | wishie: | hmm |
| [07:26:42] | wishie: | time to calculate that |
| [07:27:07] | wishie: | 1 US gallon = 3.7854118 litres |
| [07:27:38] | wishie: | 1.00 USD |
| [07:27:38] | wishie: | = |
| [07:27:39] | wishie: | 1.17712 AUD |
| [07:28:16] | wishie: | ok, 3.35AU per gallon |
| [07:28:28] | mattwj2005: | is that cheap or expensive? |
| [07:28:28] | wishie: | 3.35AUD per 3.785L |
| [07:28:37] | mattwj2005: | holly crap! |
| [07:28:39] | mattwj2005: | :| |
| [07:28:51] | wishie: | so.. |
| [07:28:53] | wishie: | per litre.. |
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| [07:29:30] | wishie: | 88c per litre ? |
| [07:29:33] | wishie: | did i do that right ? |
| [07:29:54] | wishie: | umm, no |
| [07:29:57] | wishie: | wtf |
| [07:30:07] | wishie: | pfft |
| [07:30:08] | rmoquin: | wishie: what should my sound be set to for myth now? ALSA:default? or ALSA:dmix? |
| [07:30:11] | wishie: | totally wrong! |
| [07:30:17] | wishie: | rmoquin: ALSA:default |
| [07:30:27] | wishie: | and the mixer should be "default" |
| [07:30:30] | wishie: | without the quotes |
| [07:30:52] | wishie: | mattwj2005: nah, i stuffed up, big time.. brb, recalculating |
| [07:31:54] | wishie: | oh nah, thats right. |
| [07:32:01] | wishie: | 88c AUD per litre |
| [07:32:08] | wishie: | if thats true, you guys have it GOOD |
| [07:32:17] | rmoquin: | ugh, the cannot set params message again |
| [07:32:19] | rmoquin: | ugh |
| [07:32:40] | wishie: | send me your /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf please, on pastebin.ca |
| [07:32:41] | mattwj2005: | yeah I think your right |
| [07:32:43] | rmoquin: | oh wait |
| [07:32:47] | rmoquin: | I continued without audio |
| [07:32:49] | rmoquin: | and now I got audio |
| [07:32:56] | wishie: | rmoquin: odd.. |
| [07:32:57] | mattwj2005: | audio is good :) |
| [07:33:09] | rmoquin: | yeah I don't give a shit what it THINKS is happening |
| [07:33:14] | rmoquin: | long as what I want to happen is happening |
| [07:33:18] | mattwj2005: | *watches who's the boss on Joost* |
| [07:33:22] | rmoquin: | myth must have just hosed itself before |
| [07:33:25] | wishie: | mattwj2005: well, you pay ~88c AUD per litre. |
| [07:33:35] | wishie: | mattwj2005: i paid $1.24 per litre today |
| [07:33:35] | mattwj2005: | is that a good price? |
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| [07:33:57] | mattwj2005: | that is quite a difference....but better than the Neatherlands :D |
| [07:34:10] | wishie: | it fluctuates here ALOT |
| [07:34:15] | mattwj2005: | yeah pay like ~ $7.35 usd per gallon :) |
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| [07:34:32] | wishie: | it was 1.08 at 3am the other morning, but i thought, "nah its too cold to get out of the car, ill get fuel in the morning" |
| [07:34:42] | mattwj2005: | yeah it does here too....lately it has been only going up ) |
| [07:34:44] | wishie: | so, the next morning, i went to the SAME service station.. |
| [07:34:44] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [07:34:48] | wishie: | $1.28 |
| [07:34:59] | mattwj2005: | bummer |
| [07:35:30] | rmoquin: | wishie: so weird it complains about the audio yet it seems to work... should I worry about it? or just let it complain? |
| [07:36:03] | mattwj2005: | mosquin I am not sure if this is related....but.... |
| [07:36:14] | wishie: | rmoquin: well, what part complains, and what part works ? |
| [07:36:34] | mattwj2005: | Linux in general has a hard time to play audio using more than one program at a time |
| [07:36:41] | wishie: | any message in the console about what its complaining about ? |
| [07:36:45] | mattwj2005: | I run into that with Ubuntu on my desktop |
| [07:36:56] | ShockValue: | anyone heard any news about comcast encrypting HD in the last 24 hours? all of a sudden i cant get my hd channels to play |
| [07:36:57] | wishie: | mattwj2005: that can be fixed :) |
| [07:36:58] | rmoquin: | wishie: it says it can't set the alsa params for default |
| [07:37:21] | mchou: | ShockValue: dude, that depends on your local provider |
| [07:37:28] | mattwj2005: | oh yeah I have recently redived into Linux |
| [07:37:29] | ShockValue: | hrm |
| [07:37:39] | rmoquin: | wishie: but the sound seema ro xomw out of only my center channel |
| [07:37:45] | mchou: | ShockValue: it's not as if the whole nation goes encrypted |
| [07:37:50] | mattwj2005: | doing a nice dual boot...still can't cut my Windows ties ;9 |
| [07:37:51] | mchou: | at the same time |
| [07:37:52] | mattwj2005: | :( |
| [07:38:01] | ShockValue: | well my provider is backwoods hicks, so I doubt they would just change stuff unless they had to |
| [07:38:19] | mattwj2005: | I have Comcast..... |
| [07:38:22] | mchou: | ShockValue: bullshit. They change whenever they have money |
| [07:38:25] | rmoquin: | wishie: since I can't use the 6 speakers now anyhow, should I just remove the .asoundrc and see what happens? |
| [07:38:26] | wishie: | rmoquin: the .asoundrc still in place ? |
| [07:38:27] | mattwj2005: | let me try mine for fun :) |
| [07:38:31] | rmoquin: | wishie: yeah |
| [07:38:36] | wishie: | rmoquin: remove it |
| [07:38:47] | ShockValue: | all i know is now when i tune to a HD channel, it kills the com and I have to reset the box and restart my backend |
| [07:39:04] | mchou: | kills the com? |
| [07:39:07] | rmoquin: | wishie: ok |
| [07:39:13] | mchou: | wtf does that mean? |
| [07:39:20] | ShockValue: | Broadcast: Testing...Failed |
| [07:39:21] | ShockValue: | P2P: Testing...Failed |
| [07:39:29] | mattwj2005: | nope I have channels in the clear :) |
| [07:39:38] | wishie: | rmoquin: if snd-mixer-oss is loaded, you can also try keeping the "Mixer Device" as /dev/mixer if you wish. |
| [07:39:45] | mattwj2005: | I thought legally they had to keep the OTA channels in the clear |
| [07:39:48] | ShockValue: | and it wont talk to my receiver until i reset it to a non hd channel by hand |
| [07:39:55] | mchou: | mattwj2005: they do |
| [07:39:56] | rmoquin: | wishie: rather not if it's more intensive |
| [07:40:11] | mattwj2005: | did they change the channel numbers on you? |
| [07:40:24] | mattwj2005: | they do that to me all the time :( |
| [07:40:31] | rmoquin: | wishie: hmmm now livetv isn't happy |
| [07:40:34] | ShockValue: | nah, 35 is still food (works) and 662 is still TNTHD (breaks) |
| [07:40:42] | wishie: | ive heard about you poor americans and tv networks..heh |
| [07:40:59] | wishie: | rmoquin: whats the error there ? no sound ? |
| [07:41:02] | rmoquin: | wishie: there we go.. it freaks sometimes |
| [07:41:08] | rmoquin: | wishie: louder now |
| [07:41:25] | wishie: | rmoquin: thats perhaps because of the mixer settings for the Line-In or whatever channel |
| [07:41:32] | wishie: | in alsamixer. |
| [07:41:36] | ShockValue: | ah well, guess ill have a beer and watch some SDTV. maybe it will be magically fixed in the morning |
| [07:41:44] | rmoquin: | wishie: ah... yeah seems to be coming out the center, left and right now |
| [07:42:10] | wishie: | rmoquin: because you toggled that output, remember ? |
| [07:42:13] | rmoquin: | wishie: so I think I'm good... even though it wasted a ton of time messing with it, I'm just glad it works and I can maybe squeeze 4 hours of sleep still :) |
| [07:42:23] | wishie: | haha |
| [07:42:26] | mattwj2005: | yeah the American record and movie industry are a bunch of jerks |
| [07:42:27] | wishie: | 4 hours is more than enough |
| [07:42:28] | rmoquin: | wishie: I reversed those... the 3 speakers play now which is what I expect it would do |
| [07:42:31] | wishie: | you can sleep when you're dead |
| [07:42:34] | rmoquin: | wishie: yeah |
| [07:42:36] | rmoquin: | haha |
| [07:42:37] | rmoquin: | true |
| [07:42:42] | rmoquin: | gotta do something with all that down time |
| [07:42:59] | wishie: | just hope you're having a good dream..heh |
| [07:43:01] | rmoquin: | guess I shoudl turn cathouse off and hit the sack |
| [07:43:05] | rmoquin: | haha yeah or I'll get bored |
| [07:43:18] | rmoquin: | wishie: thanks for the assistance.. I at least learned a bit about alsa |
| [07:43:21] | wishie: | mattwj2005: cancelling of shows, changing how times etc.. |
| [07:43:31] | wishie: | rmoquin: there is lots more to learn, and lots of 'tricks' |
| [07:43:33] | rmoquin: | wishie: and ended up with a working system |
| [07:43:38] | wishie: | feel free to drop by #alsa if you have more issues |
| [07:43:50] | rmoquin: | wishie: yeah I'll bet... I'll def be around |
| [07:44:13] | mattwj2005: | yeah America is a little crazy but it is my home |
| [07:44:14] | rmoquin: | I know this won't be the last of the problems... gotta get the lirc stuff working |
| [07:44:15] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [07:44:22] | rmoquin: | anyhow, catch you all later |
| [07:44:30] | mattwj2005: | I am looking forward to visiting Sweden though |
| [07:44:31] | wishie: | mattwj2005: if TV network here, acted like they do in the USA, there would be riots! heh |
| [07:44:42] | mattwj2005: | hehe |
| [07:44:46] | wishie: | rmoquin: i can probably help with that too |
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| [07:44:50] | wishie: | tomorrow or something :) |
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| [07:45:04] | mattwj2005: | you guys have free OTA satellite in Europe right? |
| [07:45:09] | wishie: | i remember, downloading 'vanished' the tv show, from the states.. |
| [07:45:21] | wishie: | and, wow, it certainly vanished alright |
| [07:45:28] | wishie: | got cancelled after like 4 episodes. |
| [07:45:39] | wishie: | Australia, not Austria :P |
| [07:45:43] | mattwj2005: | heh it just vanished? :P |
| [07:46:07] | wishie: | we have Pay sevices, via Satellite and Cable, and Free-To-Air analogue and digital stations |
| [07:46:34] | mattwj2005: | the free to air is on satellite though :) |
| [07:46:41] | wishie: | nah |
| [07:46:43] | wishie: | DVB |
| [07:46:52] | mattwj2005: | free DVB-S? |
| [07:46:53] | wishie: | DVB-T to be more specific |
| [07:46:57] | mattwj2005: | oh okay |
| [07:47:02] | mattwj2005: | yeah we have ATSC |
| [07:47:21] | mattwj2005: | free over the air |
| [07:47:24] | wishie: | but out Free-To-Air stuff isnt too bad |
| [07:47:32] | wishie: | i mean, we get 1080i stuff |
| [07:47:40] | mattwj2005: | that is cool |
| [07:47:51] | wishie: | its quite good at the moment too |
| [07:48:06] | wishie: | since 'HD' stations arent allowed to broadcast non-HD content |
| [07:48:13] | wishie: | and since all commercials are still in SD.. |
| [07:48:22] | mattwj2005: | yeah I have basic cable right now..... |
| [07:48:38] | mattwj2005: | hehe SD commericals |
| [07:48:40] | mattwj2005: | nice |
| [07:48:52] | wishie: | they arent allowed to broadcast them on the HD channels |
| [07:49:07] | wishie: | so there is a HD "demo" that plays when the commercials are meant to be on |
| [07:49:25] | mattwj2005: | wow that is crazy :) |
| [07:49:38] | wishie: | so, now for the reason i came in here.. |
| [07:49:47] | wishie: | getting myth to talk to my LCD/VFD |
| [07:50:04] | HrdwrBoB: | I laugh at people that run 1080i on 720p screens and thing it's better than 720p |
| [07:50:15] | mattwj2005: | hehe |
| [07:50:15] | wishie: | the screen works, myth is set "Enable LCD" but it doesnt work :) |
| [07:50:28] | wishie: | HrdwrBoB: i got a 1080p display :) |
| [07:50:41] | mattwj2005: | I have a 480p CRT that has a HDTV tuner |
| [07:50:47] | mattwj2005: | it works good enough |
| [07:50:48] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [07:50:51] | HrdwrBoB: | as do I, but I realise it is excessive for 37" |
| [07:51:04] | wishie: | yeah, mine is 37" too |
| [07:51:09] | mattwj2005: | yeah this is just a 27 inch |
| [07:51:49] | mattwj2005: | yeah my apartment is kind of crazy....I live by myself.... |
| [07:52:04] | HrdwrBoB: | I live in my own little world |
| [07:52:06] | wishie: | yeah, as do i.. well, me, and my cat. |
| [07:52:10] | HrdwrBoB: | surrounded by my wife and two cats |
| [07:52:15] | mattwj2005: | I have a few computers ... 27 inch CRT HDTV and an old analog tv |
| [07:52:27] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [07:52:57] | mattwj2005: | I think this whole room lives in its only little world ;) |
| [07:53:05] | mattwj2005: | *own |
| [07:53:27] | HrdwrBoB: | my room is the study |
| [07:53:44] | HrdwrBoB: | where I have the server and my PC, bathed in the glow of blue leds and my 22" monitor |
| [07:54:13] | mattwj2005: | my room is my living room |
| [07:57:03] | HrdwrBoB: | http://roystontech.com.au/pics/blueroom.jpg |
| [07:57:09] | HrdwrBoB: | couldn't do that to the lounge :) |
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| [07:57:33] | mattwj2005: | :| *shocked* |
| [07:57:53] | mattwj2005: | that is crazy...but in a cool way :) |
| [07:58:47] | HrdwrBoB: | now I also have my G15 with blue backlight kb :) |
| [08:00:40] | wishie: | what case is that on the left ? |
| [08:00:47] | wishie: | CMStacker ? |
| [08:00:57] | HrdwrBoB: | yep |
| [08:01:11] | wishie: | Cooler Master rocks |
| [08:01:15] | HrdwrBoB: | yeah |
| [08:01:21] | HrdwrBoB: | and on the RHS, Antec nine hundred |
| [08:01:44] | wishie: | http://gallery.wishie.net/main.php?g2_itemId=3068 |
| [08:01:49] | HrdwrBoB: | they are the standard CM stacker bays |
| [08:01:53] | HrdwrBoB: | but i've replaced the fans |
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| [08:02:02] | HrdwrBoB: | and added UB lights, and used a zalman MFC for control |
| [08:02:17] | HrdwrBoB: | UV |
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| [08:02:25] | HrdwrBoB: | ah, sweet |
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| [08:03:15] | wishie: | old CM WaveMaster case |
| [08:03:41] | HrdwrBoB: | I love the 200mm fan in the nine hundred |
| [08:04:13] | ShockValue: | here's the view out my window (sorry, no cool computer pics:) http://deadpla.net/1.jpg |
| [08:04:23] | mattwj2005: | man Joost is awesome....I hope they make a Linux version soon...and maybe we can even add it to Mythtv |
| [08:04:36] | HrdwrBoB: | heh |
| [08:04:37] | HrdwrBoB: | nice |
| [08:04:43] | mattwj2005: | that is awesome ShockValue |
| [08:04:51] | HrdwrBoB: | the view out my windows is a) dark and b) boring even if it wasnt' |
| [08:05:05] | HrdwrBoB: | fortunately, I have already resigned |
| [08:05:12] | ShockValue: | 10 points to anyone who can name the mountain :) |
| [08:05:12] | HrdwrBoB: | and I'm just doing my notice period |
| [08:05:38] | mattwj2005: | Rocky? |
| [08:05:47] | ShockValue: | Adrian! |
| [08:06:04] | mattwj2005: | haha I was close :P |
| [08:06:10] | ShockValue: | further west than the rockies |
| [08:06:20] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [08:06:54] | ShockValue: | im teaching myself lightroom .. i suck at it :) |
| [08:07:16] | mattwj2005: | lightroom? is that photo editing? |
| [08:07:20] | ShockValue: | yeah |
| [08:07:29] | mattwj2005: | interesting |
| [08:09:10] | ShockValue: | saw the new DIe Hard tonight.. it was OK, if you're into the brainless action flicks type of thing |
| [08:09:10] | mattwj2005: | sweet I just got paid :D |
| [08:09:16] | ShockValue: | paid = good! :) |
| [08:09:30] | mattwj2005: | *round of beers for the room* |
| [08:09:56] | ShockValue: | man, i brought home my 6 pack tonight.. and 2 of the beers were capped but 3/4 empty |
| [08:10:02] | ShockValue: | i knew it felt light... |
| [08:10:14] | mattwj2005: | bummer |
| [08:10:24] | mattwj2005: | I am going out for a beer this weekend |
| [08:10:34] | mattwj2005: | "socialize" |
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| [08:12:06] | ShockValue: | contact with other people you mean? interesting concept |
| [08:12:49] | mattwj2005: | lol |
| [08:13:07] | mattwj2005: | yeah I need to do that more besides family and coworkers :) |
| [08:14:36] | ShockValue: | my wife seems to think that "hermit" is not a title to aspire to. i disagree, but she always wins |
| [08:14:59] | mattwj2005: | lol...yeah I need one of those wives :P |
| [08:15:31] | ShockValue: | meh <shrug> |
| [08:17:17] | mattwj2005: | well guys..... |
| [08:17:23] | ShockValue: | g'night |
| [08:17:27] | mattwj2005: | I bought a dual head ATI 1050 |
| [08:17:39] | ShockValue: | oh, i thought you were taking off >:) |
| [08:17:46] | mattwj2005: | it was ~ $40 including shipping and handing |
| [08:17:53] | mattwj2005: | not quite yet but soon :) |
| [08:18:19] | mattwj2005: | one display will go to my tv the other to my monitor |
| [08:18:22] | cecil: | if only wives came in dual-heads... |
| [08:18:30] | mattwj2005: | lol |
| [08:18:36] | mattwj2005: | they all ready think too much :P |
| [08:18:46] | ShockValue: | that would be a blessing and a curse. |
| [08:19:12] | mattwj2005: | I am not sure if I want to know how that would be a blessing? |
| [08:19:51] | ShockValue: | i think it's how you define the word 'head'.. but i suppose thats a bit OT :) |
| [08:20:10] | mattwj2005: | lol |
| [08:21:04] | ** cecil just came back from watching GrindHouse ** | |
| [08:21:14] | cecil: | excellent movie! |
| [08:21:25] | mattwj2005: | GrindHouse? |
| [08:21:42] | cecil: | http://www.grindhousemovie.net/ |
| [08:21:48] | ShockValue: | oh man i wanted to see that.. Im a big Rose McGowan fan :) |
| [08:22:37] | mattwj2005: | oh yeah I did here of that |
| [08:22:38] | cecil: | it is still showing in one theater in the LA area |
| [08:22:50] | cecil: | I drove 58 miles to see it |
| [08:23:01] | mattwj2005: | haha |
| [08:23:13] | mattwj2005: | I would have to fly out to see it in Theater |
| [08:23:14] | mattwj2005: | :P |
| [08:23:32] | ShockValue: | where are you at matt? |
| [08:24:23] | mattwj2005: | Minneapolis |
| [08:24:56] | mattwj2005: | plane ticket is $364 |
| [08:24:59] | mattwj2005: | :D |
| [08:25:14] | ShockValue: | ok, i was just thinking... Rockies? thats a coast guard ship! |
| [08:26:56] | mattwj2005: | and a mountain region |
| [08:26:58] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [08:27:48] | cecil: | +$6 for the movie ticket |
| [08:28:47] | mattwj2005: | yeah it is just a day dream....I won't do it :) |
| [08:29:16] | mattwj2005: | I rather spend the money in Sweden |
| [08:30:15] | wishie: | bbs |
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| [08:31:10] | mattwj2005: | well I should get going |
| [08:31:18] | mattwj2005: | nice chatting everyone :D |
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| [08:56:00] | juski: | it's Friday yay! |
| [08:57:18] | directhex|work: | yay |
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| [08:57:26] | directhex|work: | i'm off to cuba on sunday yay! |
| [08:57:39] | juski: | woo nice! |
| [08:58:19] | juski: | not that I'm gonna be jealous or anything since I'll be off to sunny Wolverhampton on Friday night :D |
| [08:58:22] | juski: | haha |
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| [09:28:51] | voltagex: | hi, is there an easy way to move a recording from one partition to another while keeping the mythfrontend info intact? |
| [09:29:54] | siXy: | voltagex: you will need to update file location in the mythconverg db |
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| [09:33:02] | voltagex: | siXy: :/ that's doable but not easy |
| [09:33:48] | juski: | voltagex: you're really gonna like 'storage groups' in 0.21 :) |
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| [09:34:28] | voltagex: | juski: yes! |
| [09:34:38] | voltagex: | juski: only since I have my new box with 500gb of hdd |
| [09:34:59] | voltagex: | although, a quick fix would be to archive them to "native archive" no? |
| [09:35:04] | juski: | moving just one recording though? maybe just make a symlink... |
| [09:35:13] | juski: | less mess |
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| [09:38:35] | voltagex: | juski: no, unfortunately I still need windows so my data partition is NTFS. I didn't want to record directly on to it because of ntfs-3g's CPU usage |
| [09:39:58] | voltagex: | so, I was hoping there was a way to do it via a job |
| [09:40:21] | juski: | messy mess... |
| [09:40:25] | voltagex: | once .21 is stable I'll go to that I think |
| [09:40:57] | voltagex: | juski: :P yeah, I'm also buying another 500gb hard drive purely for video/dvb/mp3s :P |
| [09:41:04] | juski: | it IS pretty stable IME.. been running it for a few weeks on a box I'm taking to LRL |
| [09:41:05] | voltagex: | so expensive mess |
| [09:42:23] | voltagex: | would mythrename.pl do what I want? |
| [09:43:19] | juski: | only good for renaming & building friendly-named symlinks |
| [09:43:41] | voltagex: | ok |
| [09:43:44] | voltagex: | I'll cope |
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| [09:44:28] | voltagex: | what does mythtv query normally for the temperature info? |
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| [09:45:35] | juski: | lmsensors innit |
| [09:45:44] | voltagex: | :/ that's installed. |
| [09:46:15] | voltagex: | temp1: +30°C (low = +127°C, high = +127°C) sensor = thermistor |
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| [09:47:20] | juski: | if I don't smell smoke or see flames coming out of the case & it still works, I don't need lmsensors :) |
| [09:47:34] | voltagex: | :P I'm a bit of a statistics nerd |
| [09:56:50] | siXy: | voltagex: depnding on your motherboard that may bear little or no relation to the actual temp of your cpu |
| [09:57:27] | mat__: | hmm |
| [09:57:43] | siXy: | anyone know of anything like pastebin for small binaries? |
| [09:58:14] | jduggan: | ~/public_html/ |
| [09:58:16] | jduggan: | :| |
| [09:59:17] | siXy: | yeah im reluctant to host personal stuff on work servers, even temporarily, and having recently moved house most of the non-myth computers are still in boxes |
| [10:01:23] | jduggan: | ask someone for a shell account :) |
| [10:01:30] | siXy: | lol :D |
| [10:02:06] | Merlin83b2: | siXy: rapidshare.com? |
| [10:02:07] | laga: | right. ask the people in #scriptkidd1ez |
| [10:02:07] | siXy: | ive made my menu theme into a slightly more portable version and want people to test it + see what they think |
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| [10:03:13] | jduggan: | laga: er, well i wouldnt wanna host my stuff on a host not trusted |
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| [10:03:16] | jduggan: | :o |
| [10:04:10] | jduggan: | siXy: i have a machine i use for personal use colocated in the datacenter i work at, if you need a shell for hosting, msg me |
| [10:04:24] | mat__: | is there some sort of user managment for mythweb in order to protect certain recorded files from being downloaded by others? |
| [10:05:18] | wishie: | hmm, is there some alternative to MythMusic, as , it seems to be very 'clunky' compared to the rest of myth, and also, doesnt seem to match in with the theme too well |
| [10:05:46] | juski: | wishie: use a better theme then! |
| [10:06:10] | juski: | and no there's no alternative but it's been getting a lot more love recently, so improvement IS coming |
| [10:06:36] | wishie: | the theme part isnt my main concern |
| [10:07:01] | wishie: | its just that it seems alot less 'complete' compared to the rest of the plugins |
| [10:07:37] | juski: | well, mythtv like other OSS projects depends on code input from folks, and mythmusic hasn't had a whole lot of that in its life |
| [10:07:56] | jduggan: | wishie: mythmusic has always been poor, but as everyone else will say, if you want to improve it, the code is there ;) |
| [10:08:06] | siXy: | http://rapidshare.com/files/40010782/twig.tar.gz.html |
| [10:08:10] | juski: | but like I said, it's had quite a bit recently – not saying it's gonna end up radically different but it'll be improved |
| [10:08:34] | jduggan: | someone should start mythmusic2 |
| [10:08:36] | jduggan: | :o |
| [10:08:41] | siXy: | jduggan: thankyou :) but rapidshare will probably do for this |
| [10:08:45] | jduggan: | ive never done any gui coding |
| [10:08:50] | jduggan: | maybe i should learn |
| [10:09:02] | siXy: | any testers would be appreciated :) |
| [10:10:32] | siXy: | jduggan – i made a start a while back, but the horrors of the current code and lack of time kinda forced me to scrap the project |
| [10:10:55] | siXy: | it will require a lot of time investment as it needs to be re-written from scratch really |
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| [10:11:37] | juski: | what I'd be tempted to do is take mythvideo & mythmusic & roll them into just 'a player' – then you could do playlisting & all manner of fancy stuff – but that'd require a boatload of changes all over the place |
| [10:13:18] | siXy: | ah i like a seperate player for music and video personally |
| [10:13:51] | siXy: | i cant imagine ever wanting a playlist containing music + video together |
| [10:13:53] | juski: | what I mean is you can still have your 'play music' and 'play video' options – just handle them the same way kinda |
| [10:14:04] | siXy: | oh yeah that would be nice |
| [10:14:13] | juski: | but then people who collect music videos could playlist a music vid |
| [10:14:25] | siXy: | ah true |
| [10:14:37] | jduggan: | thats a good idea |
| [10:14:39] | juski: | record a music channel & edit recordings into tracks.. :) |
| [10:14:47] | juski: | I do quite a bit of that |
| [10:14:59] | jduggan: | hmm |
| [10:14:59] | voltagex: | pity I don't have another box with a DVB card, I want to try .21 but not ruin my stable |
| [10:15:03] | jduggan: | ive never thought of that actually |
| [10:15:46] | siXy: | not found any music channels i like so far :S |
| [10:15:46] | voltagex: | I have a huge collection of recorded music off the ABC (australian) |
| [10:16:41] | juski: | try to collect works of good video directors too, like Spike Jonez & Michel Gondry / Chriss Cunnignham et al |
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| [10:17:17] | voltagex: | yeah, I know this is WAAAAY off topic but I'm looking for Joker by Fatboy Slim while we're on the topic of music videos |
| [10:17:49] | juski: | voltagex: I want a DVD copy of that too.. might one day appear on @the work of..@ DVD series |
| [10:18:49] | juski: | ah. Dir Jon Watts |
| [10:19:14] | juski: | might be on his 'greatest hits' DVD |
| [10:19:23] | juski: | FatBoySlim's I mean.... |
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| [10:27:00] | ** directhex|work throws Michel Gondry at juski ** | |
| [10:31:41] | juski: | uh? why? |
| [10:31:43] | wishie: | i was thinking, why cant mythtmusic be similar in design to mythvideo or something |
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| [10:31:53] | wishie: | its just so different (mythmusic) and doesnt seem to fit. |
| [10:32:04] | juski: | so make it that way then |
| [10:32:19] | juski: | it's all there, ready & waiting for your input |
| [10:32:40] | Daviey: | juski: give him checkin privs then :) |
| [10:33:06] | wishie: | voltagex: you australian ? |
| [10:34:11] | juski: | Daviey: I can't do that |
| [10:34:29] | Daviey: | >:o |
| [10:35:15] | Daviey: | juski: I heard there were plans for mythmusic getting updated over the summer; is that the case? |
| [10:35:29] | juski: | no way I'm starting THAT argumnent again re 'user input' |
| [10:35:43] | juski: | mythmusic has been getting attention of late |
| [10:36:14] | Daviey: | good stuff |
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| [10:37:09] | juski: | not saying it'll end up radically different but it's only one very busy guy looking at it ;) |
| [10:37:14] | wishie: | when it comes to writing stuff for myth, id have no idea where to start :( |
| [10:37:24] | wishie: | i did quite a bit of modding to freevo though, a few years back |
| [10:37:27] | juski: | I've put my $0.02 in.. a progress bar |
| [10:38:00] | juski: | if you want it to improve that badly, get stuck in – I'm a big advocate of that |
| [10:38:13] | juski: | otherwise just wait :) |
| [10:43:49] | juski: | and as radical a change as you're suggesting will prolly need a complete re-write |
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| [11:01:39] | blackest: | morning all |
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| [11:19:24] | voltagex: | wishie: still around? |
| [11:29:27] | sebrock: | uuuu will I ever get this damn imon remote to work? |
| [11:30:14] | sebrock: | juski, about patching an installed package... is this really difficult... |
| [11:30:29] | sebrock: | looks like that is my only way right now |
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| [11:48:18] | juski: | it's pretty mcuh impossible to patch an installed package with a binary patch when you don't know the exact conditions it was built under |
| [11:50:32] | juski: | plus – how would you get the binary patch without compiling? :-P |
| [11:51:01] | laga: | juski: thanks for the badgers :) they look great |
| [11:51:11] | laga: | + dilbert :) |
| [11:51:12] | juski: | cool! glad you like em :) |
| [11:52:07] | juski: | damn – reminds me my ebay thing runs out today |
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| [11:52:36] | directhex|work: | :( why isn't my altix scaling properly? |
| [11:52:38] | laga: | yay, got my new sim card for my PDA. :) |
| [11:52:44] | juski: | I might go back to email ordering |
| [11:52:48] | sebrock: | I dont understand, I've got both headers and source and still cant comple this |
| [11:53:46] | directhex|work: | compile what? |
| [11:54:33] | juski: | if you're an ubunut, try apt-get build-essential – always helps to have the tools you need for a job :) |
| [11:54:35] | sebrock: | lirc |
| [11:54:58] | directhex|work: | aptitude install module-assistant; m-a a-i lirc |
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| [11:55:21] | sebrock: | well I need to patch it in order to get my remote pad to work (imon pad) |
| [11:55:24] | Treito: | hello |
| [11:55:39] | sebrock: | thats why I need to compile it from source directhex |
| [11:55:40] | directhex|work: | so modify the source module assistant places in /usr/src/modules/ |
| [11:55:49] | laga: | juski: apt-get install build-essential or apt-get build-dep </smartass> |
| [11:56:09] | sebrock: | wooha, directhex you seem home in this field |
| [11:56:23] | Treito: | can anybody tell me why i'm not able to install mythvideo? |
| [11:56:39] | sebrock: | it is the lirc package that needs patching btw |
| [11:57:02] | sebrock: | how would I go about this now then? could you guide me, this is taking way to long time for me |
| [11:57:56] | directhex|work: | so apt-get source lirc && apt-get build-dep lirc && cd lirc* && patch -p0 </path/to-/your/patch && dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot && cd .. && dpkg -i *.deb && m-a a-i lirc |
| [11:58:04] | directhex|work: | seems simple enough to me! |
| [11:58:08] | directhex|work: | :p |
| [11:58:10] | sebrock: | haha |
| [11:58:30] | sebrock: | could you devide that into steps :/ |
| [11:58:39] | directhex|work: | s/&&/\n/ |
| [11:58:54] | sebrock: | you lost me at hello |
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| [11:59:51] | Treito: | svn-version 13775, all plugins compiled except mytharchive but mythvideo-installation failed, there is no menu entry |
| [12:00:34] | sebrock: | directhex... your my only hope *shhhhhh* directhex, your my only hope *shhhhh* |
| [12:00:35] | siXy: | sebrock what remote is this for? |
| [12:00:39] | sebrock: | the imon pad |
| [12:00:59] | siXy: | theres alrady a lirc imon driver |
| [12:01:09] | sebrock: | I know, but not for the pad on the remote |
| [12:01:22] | sebrock: | I want it to be used as arrow keys |
| [12:01:27] | sebrock: | and there is a patch for this |
| [12:01:50] | siXy: | imon_pad is already in lirc – that not the same? |
| [12:02:00] | sebrock: | but I can't get it to complie after applying the patch |
| [12:02:13] | siXy: | which patch are you using? |
| [12:03:01] | sebrock: | this one: http://brakemeier.de/electronics/vdr/lirc-imon.html |
| [12:03:45] | siXy: | sebrock: yes that patch is now in latest stable lirc |
| [12:03:53] | sebrock: | you sure? |
| [12:04:06] | sebrock: | ie also in the ubuntu package? |
| [12:04:16] | juski: | ahh the 'joys' of random homepage howto guides.. pfft! |
| [12:04:25] | siXy: | you wont be able to get it compile with that patch, as that patch is against lirc 0.8.0 and latest stable is 0.8.2 |
| [12:04:36] | sebrock: | Im using 0.8 |
| [12:04:45] | sebrock: | patching is done |
| [12:04:54] | siXy: | .2 includes various imon modules, including one for the pad |
| [12:05:01] | sebrock: | oh |
| [12:05:12] | sebrock: | but I still cant compile anything :D/ |
| [12:05:26] | sebrock: | how about the ubuntu package? |
| [12:05:59] | sebrock: | it's 0.8.1+cvs20070310 |
| [12:06:01] | siXy: | sebrock: update lirc to the latest version using apt-get |
| [12:06:12] | siXy: | unless that is the latest version |
| [12:06:21] | sebrock: | siXy I have not yet installed it from aptitude |
| [12:06:26] | sebrock: | but I will try it now then |
| [12:06:49] | jduggan: | g/win 23 |
| [12:06:51] | sebrock: | you reckon its included there? |
| [12:08:45] | siXy: | looking at lirc cvs, last update to imon driver was 2 months ago. try updating lirc to latest verion |
| [12:09:05] | sebrock: | I got that package now |
| [12:09:22] | siXy: | what version is it? |
| [12:09:27] | sebrock: | as above |
| [12:09:59] | siXy: | hmm is there a lirc 0.8.2 in updates-testing? |
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| [12:10:02] | juski: | the 'packages' on ubuntu are only sources though ain't they? |
| [12:10:21] | juski: | so yu might aswell just build from a new source tarball anyway |
| [12:10:42] | sebrock: | I think that is the latest version |
| [12:10:53] | juski: | if you get all the dependencies building lirc should be a piece of cake |
| [12:11:01] | siXy: | sebrock: ok then just remove it and grab latest stable from lirg.org |
| [12:11:09] | siXy: | lirc.org* |
| [12:11:17] | juski: | with or without the dratted module-assistant |
| [12:11:19] | sebrock: | well problem is I cant complie anything |
| [12:11:38] | siXy: | ./configure; make; make install |
| [12:11:41] | directhex|work: | ubuntu stable uses a cvs snapshot from post-0.8.1 |
| [12:11:58] | directhex|work: | 20070310 to be exact |
| [12:11:58] | juski: | sebrock: it's not hard if you find out what to do |
| [12:12:09] | siXy: | *tries hard not to make negative comments about ubuntu* |
| [12:12:19] | directhex|work: | siXy, what's it meant to have? |
| [12:12:27] | siXy: | 0.8.2 |
| [12:12:29] | juski: | there are some great howto guides – but yet more fkin useless ones |
| [12:12:33] | sebrock: | Ok Im downloading from lirc.org |
| [12:12:35] | directhex|work: | siXy, which was released when? |
| [12:12:53] | siXy: | released: 09-Jun-2007 |
| [12:13:04] | siXy: | yeah ok that is quite recent :) |
| [12:13:07] | directhex|work: | siXy, and how would that be in a distro released in april? |
| [12:13:26] | siXy: | ok ubuntu get excused – just this once |
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| [12:13:39] | sebrock: | ok, now I have it unpackged |
| [12:14:11] | siXy: | sebrock: what kernel version btw? |
| [12:14:20] | siXy: | (run uname -r) |
| [12:14:31] | sebrock: | 2.6.20-16-generic |
| [12:15:25] | siXy: | ok that should work then |
| [12:15:34] | siXy: | now go into the lirc source directory |
| [12:15:47] | sebrock: | I did, when doing make I get the same error as before |
| [12:15:56] | sebrock: | problems with my linux source |
| [12:16:30] | directhex|work: | you should absolutely never use linux source for building modules on ubuntu |
| [12:16:49] | sebrock: | then I can't do make |
| [12:17:02] | directhex|work: | linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| [12:17:05] | siXy: | sebrock: you should install the source via apt – that way you get the correct source |
| [12:17:10] | sebrock: | configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed for this driver |
| [12:17:18] | directhex|work: | siXy, what does the source achieve? |
| [12:17:27] | sebrock: | I did that yesterday, Ok I do it again |
| [12:17:33] | siXy: | kernel source. or at least the headers |
| [12:17:50] | directhex|work: | siXy, there's a couple of huindred meg unpacked size difference between those two things |
| [12:17:55] | siXy: | yes i know |
| [12:17:56] | sebrock: | so which one? |
| [12:17:58] | sebrock: | headers? |
| [12:18:00] | siXy: | headers |
| [12:18:24] | ** directhex|work wonders why he bothers concocting 1-liners if they're gonna be ignored ** | |
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| [12:19:30] | sebrock: | when I do apt-get on the headers it says it is already installed |
| [12:19:31] | sebrock: | huh |
| [12:19:49] | siXy: | source also works. and many distros if you do $packagemgr install kernel-source install just the headers now... i forgot ubuntu still had full kernel source availiable via apt by defualt |
| [12:20:05] | Ekskoo: | i want to run the tvrenamer.pl script but i don't know how to install it |
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| [12:20:57] | sebrock: | siXy says the headers are already installed |
| [12:21:31] | juski: | Ekskoo: just copy it to the location you'll be running it from |
| [12:21:43] | juski: | or /usr/local/bin or wherever |
| [12:21:48] | Ekskoo: | how do you run it? |
| [12:22:11] | juski: | it has to be set to be executable first |
| [12:22:14] | siXy: | sebrock: where does ubuntu actually put the kernel headers? |
| [12:22:29] | juski: | siXy: /dev/null |
| [12:22:30] | sebrock: | /usr/src is empty |
| [12:22:37] | sebrock: | :D |
| [12:22:50] | juski: | try /usr/local |
| [12:22:58] | siXy: | lol juski |
| [12:23:09] | sebrock: | empy |
| [12:23:22] | sebrock: | very strange, I dowloaded headers before |
| [12:23:57] | Ekskoo: | .... ok.. sorry lost |
| [12:24:05] | directhex|work: | if /usr/src is epty you've fucked your system |
| [12:24:17] | juski: | Ekskoo: man chmod |
| [12:24:19] | directhex|work: | headers go into /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| [12:24:31] | sebrock: | directhex its empty by default on ubuntu |
| [12:24:53] | sebrock: | I've done nothing to it |
| [12:24:53] | juski: | well yeah it's empty by default – til you install the headers.. ;) |
| [12:25:08] | sebrock: | right, I tried and it says it is already installed |
| [12:26:52] | sebrock: | siXy... |
| [12:28:53] | siXy: | can you remove + reinstall it? |
| [12:29:28] | Daviey: | sebrock: 'ls -l /usr/src' returns nothing? |
| [12:30:41] | directhex|work: | sebrock, yes you have. linux-headers-foo installs to /usr/src |
| [12:30:55] | sebrock: | it returns nothing |
| [12:31:00] | directhex|work: | sebrock, then you fucked it |
| [12:31:03] | sebrock: | this is the case on a fresh install of ubuntu aswell |
| [12:31:11] | sebrock: | I have not fucked anything up |
| [12:31:19] | directhex|work: | sebrock, a fresh install of ubuntu has no sodding headers installed |
| [12:31:23] | directhex|work: | jeesus |
| [12:31:34] | sebrock: | please, I promise you |
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| [12:31:57] | directhex|work: | aptitude reinstall linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| [12:31:59] | laga: | if you have installed the headers then there should be something in /usr/src/linux |
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| [12:32:10] | laga: | s,/linux,, |
| [12:32:34] | sebrock: | directhex ok |
| [12:32:44] | sebrock: | done |
| [12:32:55] | sebrock: | headers are there now |
| [12:33:07] | directhex|work: | o rly? |
| [12:33:19] | laga: | NOWAI |
| [12:33:31] | sebrock: | so now I try make in lirc folder? |
| [12:33:54] | directhex|work: | you try whatever you want. you weren't interested in patching your packages |
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| [12:34:38] | sebrock: | directhex|work, I dont follow, there was no need for patching on latest stable I thought? |
| [12:35:28] | directhex|work: | if you want lirc to behave even remotely properly, you want to use a packaged version. if the package is missing something and you have a patch, then apply the patch to the source package and rebuild |
| [12:36:08] | sebrock: | siXy, said no patching was needed? Sorry but Im totally lost |
| [12:36:28] | Ruleke: | how's that, you just need a kernel module and some userspace tools, nothing magical |
| [12:36:33] | Ruleke: | I've always compiled lirc from source |
| [12:36:48] | directhex|work: | Ruleke, with said tools being launched at the right point during init, and so on |
| [12:37:02] | Ruleke: | well ok |
| [12:37:32] | directhex|work: | at this point, sod it. cba anymore |
| [12:38:27] | sebrock: | ok, configure worked now |
| [12:38:59] | sebrock: | but make gives this: http://www.pastebin.ca/595271 |
| [12:39:34] | HrdwrBoB: | that's what I did |
| [12:39:51] | HrdwrBoB: | had to patch lirc to use my pad as single buttons |
| [12:40:29] | sebrock: | what is wrong when I do my make |
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| [12:41:08] | directhex|work: | aptitude reinstall linux-headers-2.6.20–16 |
| [12:41:10] | siXy: | sebrock: your on x86_64? |
| [12:41:22] | adante: | FEW |
| [12:41:22] | sebrock: | yes |
| [12:41:23] | adante: | BEERS |
| [12:41:30] | adante: | HOW ARE YALL |
| [12:41:35] | sebrock: | I reinstalled the headers already |
| [12:41:45] | sebrock: | The ./configure worked this time |
| [12:41:47] | directhex|work: | you reinstalled linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic |
| [12:41:57] | sebrock: | oh |
| [12:42:34] | juski: | bah.. ENOTHOMETIMEYET :( |
| [12:43:05] | sebrock: | ok direct, I run configure and make again? |
| [12:43:14] | Ruleke: | thome ? |
| [12:43:18] | directhex|work: | configure shouldn't be needed |
| [12:43:22] | sebrock: | ok |
| [12:43:32] | siXy: | sebrock: you will need a --with command |
| [12:43:35] | sebrock: | tnx for bearing withg me |
| [12:43:43] | sebrock: | I did --with-driver=imon_pad |
| [12:43:52] | siXy: | ah ok |
| [12:44:04] | sebrock: | well it is compiling I think |
| [12:44:18] | sebrock: | some warnings but thats all |
| [12:44:26] | sebrock: | make install? |
| [12:44:53] | psofa: | anyone knows of a free upnp client for windoze? |
| [12:45:10] | psofa: | im too spoiled with oss to search for a crack for nero :P |
| [12:45:43] | sebrock: | w8, I get an echo message saying that Kernel configuration is invalid |
| [12:46:05] | sebrock: | and I should do make oldconfig && make prepare on kernel source |
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| [13:02:47] | sebrock: | ok guys Sixy |
| [13:02:52] | sebrock: | siXy |
| [13:03:17] | sebrock: | and directhex, I've done make oldconfig && make prepare in the headers dir |
| [13:03:33] | sebrock: | and now make did not return any errors |
| [13:04:11] | sebrock: | please check this: 595298 |
| [13:04:19] | sebrock: | http://www.pastebin.ca/595298 |
| [13:04:28] | sebrock: | is that done correctly? |
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| [13:06:23] | sebrock: | anyone? |
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| [13:07:01] | Solv: | quick quesiton....does anybody know if I upgrade my mythtv install (gentoo) if all the settings, channels etc etc will remain intatc? |
| [13:08:03] | juski: | Solv: back up the database first! back it up!! infact you should back it up regularly anyway! |
| [13:08:27] | sebrock: | juski, is this done correctly? can I make install? http://www.pastebin.ca/595298 |
| [13:08:30] | Solv: | juski, is there a command within mysql to do that easily? |
| [13:08:36] | sebrock: | please, I'm dying here |
| [13:09:06] | juski: | sebrock: I can't look – got a very slow desktop here – pentium 2 or something & it's slow as f... |
| [13:09:16] | juski: | Solv: see the wiki about backing up the db |
| [13:09:18] | sebrock: | thank you |
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| [13:09:48] | Solv: | juski, k ta |
| [13:09:59] | juski: | stuck on IE3.0 here too.. |
| [13:10:07] | sebrock: | siXy2, hey I think I managed to compile it |
| [13:10:14] | siXy2: | ah ok |
| [13:10:15] | laga: | juski: who did you annoy at work? |
| [13:10:23] | sebrock: | siXy2 have a look http://www.pastebin.ca/595298 |
| [13:10:27] | sebrock: | is that OK? |
| [13:10:41] | juski: | laga: nobody – I'm just at a remote outpost using our environmental chanber |
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| [13:11:16] | juski: | keeping out of folks' way – they're a bit pissed at getting made redundant :-\ |
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| [13:11:37] | siXy2: | sebrock: lots of nothing to be dones. what happens if you do make install? |
| [13:11:44] | sebrock: | I'll try |
| [13:12:12] | juski: | sudo make install that is ;) |
| [13:12:42] | sebrock: | siXy2, here you go http://www.pastebin.ca/595307 |
| [13:12:43] | siXy2: | uh yeah :) |
| [13:13:21] | sebrock: | thats the output, seems OK doesnt it |
| [13:13:49] | juski: | nooo wait – this machine has a MMX Pentium Inside sticker on the front! |
| [13:13:57] | siXy2: | that looks ok to me. |
| [13:14:20] | sebrock: | ok so I'll test it with irw |
| [13:14:41] | sebrock: | connect: Connection refused |
| [13:14:46] | sebrock: | need to load modules? |
| [13:14:55] | juski: | more than likely |
| [13:16:07] | siXy2: | yeah you need to modprobe imon_pad or whatever it is |
| [13:16:29] | sebrock: | yeah |
| [13:16:53] | sebrock: | nothing shows, but I have to configure lirc.conf first I think |
| [13:21:44] | siXy2: | sebrock: there are pretty comprensive instructions on lirc.org i think – if you walk through all those you should be fine |
| [13:22:23] | siXy2: | sure takes a long time for siXy to time out :S |
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| [13:25:17] | sebrock: | got it working now :D |
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| [13:25:35] | sebrock: | thank you so much siXy2 |
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| [13:33:07] | siXy2: | no problem :) |
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| [13:33:46] | directhex|work: | Testing node link 6–22: BAD |
| [13:33:46] | directhex|work: | Testing node link 6–23: BAD |
| [13:33:47] | sebrock: | siXy, but the pad is not regocnized |
| [13:33:48] | directhex|work: | :( |
| [13:33:57] | sebrock: | damn |
| [13:34:02] | siXy: | sebrock: run mode2 and press stuff on the pad |
| [13:34:41] | sebrock: | yeah works |
| [13:35:01] | siXy: | ah cool then you just need to modify /etc/lirc.conf |
| [13:35:09] | sebrock: | siXy, but I dont want to use it as a mouse... I want it to be used as up, down etc... |
| [13:35:17] | sebrock: | and that is included in the lircd.conf |
| [13:35:36] | siXy: | isnt there a button on the remote that switches? |
| [13:35:46] | siXy: | or is that just a trigger for the windows driver? |
| [13:35:53] | sebrock: | think that is for win |
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| [13:36:24] | siXy: | try it in mode2: press buttons on pad, then pres the toggle then press same buttons and see if the codes match |
| [13:37:37] | ** siXy loves the free tea+coffee machine in his office ** | |
| [13:37:45] | sebrock: | no its not the same code |
| [13:38:25] | siXy: | ah ok then it looks like a hardware switch, which just means you need to specify the 2 codes seperately in lirc.conf – one set for mouse one for keyboard |
| [13:39:34] | sebrock: | when I check lircd.conf there is some defined for mouse_e mouse_w _s _n |
| [13:39:37] | siXy: | (which, incedentally, is much nicer as it means you get remote mouse control) |
| [13:40:00] | siXy: | ok, so also define some for UP, DOWN, etc |
| [13:40:14] | sebrock: | ok.. hm |
| [13:40:28] | siXy: | but with the alternate codes |
| [13:40:46] | siXy: | thus you can switch between keyboard + mouse with the buton on remote |
| [13:41:10] | sebrock: | are there no ready made confs for this? |
| [13:41:37] | siXy: | sebrock: no idea, sorry |
| [13:42:36] | sebrock: | ah found something |
| [13:43:11] | siXy: | http://lircconfig.commandir.com/lircd.conf/?viewremote=39 |
| [13:43:19] | siXy: | try that |
| [13:46:22] | snarkster: | page times out |
| [13:46:43] | sebrock: | but not mode2? |
| [13:47:01] | wastrel: | i've decided that my ir blaster problems are due to my LED not being bright enough |
| [13:47:47] | Ruleke: | stick it on the receiver :) |
| [13:47:53] | wastrel: | it is |
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| [13:48:00] | siXy: | http://rafb.net/p/MCN05f26.html |
| [13:48:02] | Ruleke: | eesh |
| [13:48:09] | siXy: | thats a copy of the page incase you cant get to it |
| [13:49:36] | snarkster: | thank you |
| [13:49:53] | sebrock: | siXy, it only get regocnized when using mode2 |
| [13:50:11] | siXy: | you need to restart lirc after modifying lirc.conf |
| [13:50:19] | sebrock: | did that |
| [13:50:42] | wastrel: | you need to restart myth after you restart lircd |
| [13:50:45] | wastrel: | at least i do |
| [13:50:45] | siXy: | ah well you may need to make your own. lirc has a learning function for that purpose |
| [13:50:53] | sebrock: | hm ok |
| [13:51:10] | siXy: | oh and test with irw not mythtv obviously ;) |
| [13:51:30] | snarkster: | why would you ever have to recompile the kernel to use a remote.. |
| [13:51:46] | siXy: | snarkster: you dont have to |
| [13:52:14] | snarkster: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html |
| [13:52:14] | snarkster: | Says in some instances you need to recompile the kernel |
| [13:52:15] | siXy: | you do however need the kernel source (or at least the headers) to build kernel modules |
| [13:52:24] | snarkster: | ah |
| [13:52:29] | sebrock: | seems that its working now anyways, LCDproc too |
| [13:52:30] | snarkster: | well that part makes sense. |
| [13:53:30] | siXy: | snarkster: only time you need to recompile kernel if its built without support for some things that lirc needs. most often happens for serial remotes |
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| [13:53:47] | snarkster: | oh ok |
| [13:53:56] | snarkster: | hmm i might have to do that. |
| [13:54:16] | snarkster: | well maybe not mythdora might already be fixed. |
| [13:59:00] | sebrock: | siXy are you using LCDproc? |
| [13:59:08] | sebrock: | there is a lot of different init scripts |
| [13:59:18] | sebrock: | I'm not sure which one to use |
| [14:00:25] | sebrock: | could it be init-LCDd.LSB.in |
| [14:00:25] | siXy: | sebrock: i have set it up before, but not on mythboxes and not for a v long time dont remember a whole lot about it |
| [14:00:39] | sebrock: | ok I'll try that one |
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| [14:02:36] | siXy: | sebrock: http://lcdproc.sourceforge.net/docs/current-user.html &m dash; docs |
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| [14:12:06] | juski: | ESTILLNOTHOMETIMEYET :-\ |
| [14:12:22] | Merlin83b2: | We're off to see Monkey tonight. |
| [14:12:28] | Merlin83b2: | Freebie from Bruntwood :) |
| [14:12:40] | juski: | nice |
| [14:12:59] | juski: | Damon Albarn's first foray into composing |
| [14:13:00] | snarkster: | has any one here used this remote? |
| [14:13:00] | snarkster: | 6-in-1 Kameleon Touch-Screen Universal Remote |
| [14:13:00] | snarkster: | Model: 15–2133 |
| [14:13:08] | wastrel: | monkey is a band? |
| [14:13:24] | Merlin83b2: | Yeah, opening night last night got mixed reviews, but only bad ones were that it was confusing. Since I know the story behind it I'm hoping to avoid that. |
| [14:13:25] | juski: | wastrel: it's a contemporary opera based on the TV series |
| [14:13:41] | Merlin83b2: | ...which was based on a hundreds of years old legend :) |
| [14:14:09] | juski: | it's an ace legend. monkey king turns human & eventually into Buddah |
| [14:14:43] | Merlin83b2: | After going and fighting a lot. |
| [14:14:59] | juski: | quite |
| [14:15:00] | Merlin83b2: | Quite looking forward to seeing it – we were going to get tickets anyway until Bruntwood asked if I wanted some :) |
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| [14:15:15] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | Can someone tell me why I can not see the entire screen when I run mythtv-setup and how to fix. I cannot see the next/back buttons at the bottom of the screen. I am running on FC7, mythtv-0.20.1–158.fc7, with latest nvidia drivers(100.14.11) . Everything else seems to be running fine . thanks |
| [14:15:24] | laga: | srthsrhsrthsrth: how do you pronounce your nick name? |
| [14:15:41] | wastrel: | hanumann the monkey king? |
| [14:15:41] | juski: | like radio static is my best guess |
| [14:16:11] | jduggan: | laga: lol |
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| [14:16:32] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | :) |
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| [14:16:41] | juski: | wastrel: I just know his as 'monkey' from 'monkey magic' |
| [14:16:44] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | any way you want |
| [14:16:57] | laga: | srthsrhsrthsrth: are you running on a tv-out? |
| [14:16:59] | Merlin83b2: | wastrel: The legend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West |
| [14:17:12] | Merlin83b2: | What I'm going to tonight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey:_Journey_To_The_West |
| [14:17:21] | Merlin83b2: | (Plus, they're taking us out for a chinese dinner first) |
| [14:17:28] | juski: | bastards! |
| [14:17:47] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | It happens using s-video(to TV) out or vga(to computer screen) |
| [14:17:48] | wastrel: | different monkey :] looks interesting |
| [14:18:37] | Merlin83b2: | The invitation says we're then going on a procession from Yang Sing to Palace following a chinese dragon :) |
| [14:18:45] | Merlin83b2: | Should be insteresting – must remember my camera! |
| [14:19:00] | juski: | srthsrhsrthsrth: try mythtv-setup --geometry with numbers less than the X resolution ;) |
| [14:19:21] | juski: | Merlin83b2: yang sing? bastards! |
| [14:19:38] | Merlin83b2: | Yep, looking forward to it, not been there for a whlie. |
| [14:19:39] | juski: | one of the most expensive (and nice) places to eat in Manchester too |
| [14:20:05] | Merlin83b2: | For Chinese it's up there. Best proper Chinese. Pacific beats it for westernised Chinese though. |
| [14:20:14] | laga: | srthsrhsrthsrth: i dunno. hum. i think it's a common problem. i'd just resize the screen a little bit. or ignore it. |
| [14:20:23] | juski: | MSG overload you mean :-P |
| [14:21:02] | juski: | aye anyway – nice tab if somebody else is picking it up :) |
| [14:21:08] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | ignore it as in , "cross my fingers and hope I hit the right button"? |
| [14:21:29] | Merlin83b2: | MSG overload, westernised chinese, all the same. |
| [14:21:36] | Merlin83b2: | Been watching Paul Merton in China? |
| [14:21:39] | juski: | srthsrhsrthsrth: turn the overscan down on nvidia-settings while you run mythtv-setup on a tv-out |
| [14:21:51] | juski: | Merlin83b2: nope. it's on channel five ffs |
| [14:22:00] | ** juski is a snob ** | |
| [14:22:05] | Merlin83b2: | He went to some restaurant there where (and I understand this is common practice) MSG was in a shaker along with salt and soy sauce. |
| [14:22:18] | Merlin83b2: | It's good watching though, it could honestly be perfectly in place on bbc2. |
| [14:22:20] | juski: | ahaha.. explains much then |
| [14:22:37] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | juski: I tried but I can not find the overscan settings in nvidia-settings. |
| [14:22:52] | juski: | been a while since I had my fix of Japanarama, in a similar vein |
| [14:22:58] | siXy: | lol@MSG shakers :) |
| [14:23:22] | Merlin83b2: | I still have yet to watch Japanorama – all recorded and sitting on my myth box ready, though! |
| [14:23:24] | juski: | srthsrhsrthsrth: if you have the tvout enabled on a > GF4 card, you get an overscan slider |
| [14:23:27] | Merlin83b2: | Wow, almost got on topic there. |
| [14:23:35] | juski: | Merlin83b2: oh it's ace |
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| [14:23:58] | juski: | just makes me wanna go there even more though |
| [14:24:04] | juski: | they're WEIRD |
| [14:24:29] | juski: | er.. the pop culture is .. |
| [14:24:49] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | juski: it should be enabled, I am using VGA at the moment though. How can I check if it is still enabled? |
| [14:24:49] | Merlin83b2: | Yeah, I even speak a little Japanese – got a GCSE in it years ago. |
| [14:25:09] | juski: | srthsrhsrthsrth: if you're on the VGA out only, you don't get the overscan slider |
| [14:25:38] | juski: | anyway like I said – e.g. if you run X at 1024x800 try mythtv-setup --geometry 800x600 |
| [14:26:16] | juski: | a size LESS than you run X at :) |
| [14:26:34] | siXy: | oh btw juski thanks for yesterdays tip about 100dpi fonts – much more readable now |
| [14:26:45] | juski: | ding ding! |
| [14:26:51] | juski: | np siXy |
| [14:27:03] | wastrel: | 100dpi fonts |
| [14:27:44] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | juski: I will try. What about mythfrontend? It seems like I may be having the same problem there too. The default theme doesn't tell me what direction to go to navigate the menu. Is something being cut off at the bottom of the frontend as well? |
| [14:27:48] | juski: | yeah wastrel for best results, you need to run mythtv on X at 100 DPI |
| [14:28:12] | juski: | srthsrhsrthsrth: that might fix your problem too |
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| [14:29:07] | siXy: | btw testers for http://rapidshare.com/files/40010782/twig.tar.gz.html would be much appreciated (menu theme for myth) |
| [14:29:24] | laga: | siXy: does it support 3d transitions? moving text? |
| [14:29:43] | juski: | rotflmao |
| [14:29:56] | siXy: | lol :D |
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| [14:30:30] | siXy: | would be nice wouldnt it? |
| [14:31:01] | juski: | will somebody PLEASE think of the poor pvr350 owners? lol |
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| [14:31:36] | juski: | hey I wonder if anybody gives VDR any stick for not having a 3D UI |
| [14:31:44] | siXy: | pvr350s should be declared illegal |
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| [14:33:03] | ** juski declares pvr350s & framegrabber cards are herby illegal & will be unsupported forthwith ** | |
| [14:33:05] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | juski: I tried what you said. I can see how the change made the setup window smaller than the actual screen siz but the buttons are still cut off in the setup window! |
| [14:33:25] | juski: | srthsrhsrthsrth: I think you need to try running X at 100 DPI then |
| [14:33:40] | juski: | or install the MS core fonts – missing fonts can cause issue slike that |
| [14:34:02] | juski: | naughty themes relying on MS fonts |
| [14:34:12] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | juski: remind me how to do that? |
| [14:34:34] | SiD3WiNDR: | my tv is connected via svideo; it's a 16:9 and if I feed it a 4:3 resolution it'll stretch it (currently 800x600 i think). Is there a recommended widescreen resolution I can set my graphics card to? |
| [14:34:58] | juski: | SiD3WiNDR: just use the DISPLAYSIZE variable in xorg.conf |
| [14:35:01] | Ruleke: | juski: what's wrong with the 350, it works fine :) |
| [14:35:10] | juski: | DISPLAYSIZE sets your X DPI |
| [14:35:19] | siXy: | 720x576 is PAL dvd resolution – that produces good results for me SiD3WiNDR |
| [14:35:26] | juski: | Ruleke: it's bum. no 3d! no digital audio out... eew |
| [14:35:30] | Ruleke: | ah |
| [14:35:36] | Ruleke: | well I don't use it to run X :P |
| [14:35:41] | SiD3WiNDR: | thanks |
| [14:35:47] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | juski: is DISPLAYSIZE in x config? |
| [14:35:57] | juski: | yup |
| [14:36:00] | SiD3WiNDR: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size |
| [14:36:03] | SiD3WiNDR: | found this on google ;) |
| [14:36:08] | juski: | use your fave search engine to find out how! |
| [14:37:25] | ** juski runs X at 720x576 for his 16:9 32" CRT TV ** | |
| [14:37:43] | juski: | DISPLAYSIZE 400 225 if I remember right |
| [14:38:20] | juski: | maybe not WYSIWYG 100DPI but looks fine to me |
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| [14:46:07] | SiD3WiNDR: | 29" for me, I'll try those parameters out when I get home |
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| [14:51:15] | ** siXy slaps siXy around a bit with a large trout ** | |
| [14:51:19] | siXy: | ooops |
| [14:53:49] | SiD3WiNDR: | heh |
| [14:53:53] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | juski: I added "DisplaySize 260 195" in the monitor section of x config then restarted X (init 3 && init 5). No help.... |
| [14:54:39] | juski: | so make sure you have the right fonts installed for the theme you're using |
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| [14:59:33] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | juski: Arghhhhhh!!! How frustrating...Its easier installing asterisk PBX server than getting X to work correctly! Can you expand? How do I do that? |
| [14:59:59] | juski: | some themes need MS Corefonts |
| [15:00:09] | juski: | msttcorefonts or something on some distros |
| [15:00:13] | juski: | install em |
| [15:00:20] | juski: | my themes generally need Bitstream Vera |
| [15:00:39] | juski: | they look a lot like Arial etc but they ain't MS based :) |
| [15:01:13] | siXy: | srthsrhsrthsrth: its really *not* easier to install + configure asterix ;) |
| [15:01:52] | juski: | the Gaul? cool! |
| [15:02:19] | siXy: | s/aserix/asterisk |
| [15:02:21] | juski: | he of the silly hat with wings? |
| [15:02:21] | siXy: | :PP |
| [15:02:44] | ** siXy slaps juski with an oblisk ** | |
| [15:02:47] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | That is debatable! ;) |
| [15:03:01] | juski: | hrm this seems to be an improvement.. 40 deg C & the dome internal temp is 40 deg C :) |
| [15:03:37] | juski: | now the stepper motor current has been reduced to almost 0 when it's not moving :D |
| [15:03:52] | juski: | stupid hardware designers |
| [15:04:17] | siXy: | *peers upwards at pretty words flying clean over his head* |
| [15:04:44] | wastrel: | themes eh |
| [15:04:47] | wastrel: | okay |
| [15:04:58] | loops: | srthsrhsrthsrth, which distro are you on? |
| [15:05:08] | juski: | siXy: a dome camera that can be panned & tilted remotely, uses stepper motors which were previously always turned on even when it wasn't moving anywhere |
| [15:05:19] | siXy: | srthsrhsrthsrth: cant you just config it on a normal monitor then switch to tv when its set up? |
| [15:05:25] | juski: | got hotter inside than needed to :) |
| [15:05:31] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | loops: FC7 |
| [15:05:55] | siXy: | ah nice :) that sounds more interesting than testing cd drives |
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| [15:06:23] | juski: | siXy: it's not. loads of sitting around waiting for the chamber to reach temperature. Zzzzzz |
| [15:06:26] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | siXy: It is currently on a normal monitor. The problem happens on computer monitor or TV |
| [15:06:35] | juski: | my job is easysometimes but it sucks |
| [15:07:02] | loops: | srthsrhsrthsrth, can't you just use preferences->display applet from menu? |
| [15:07:07] | directhex|work: | juski, you could work out why my altix is being slow |
| [15:07:18] | juski: | directhex|work: your who/what? |
| [15:07:24] | ** Kevorkian hands srthsrhsrthsrth a knoppmyth cd ** | |
| [15:07:32] | juski: | gisajob! |
| [15:07:40] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | loops: which menu? |
| [15:08:09] | loops: | hmm.. kde or gnome should both have "Display" applet installed... |
| [15:08:16] | siXy: | srthsrhsrthsrth: argh. can you see the top bit of the button or none of it at all? |
| [15:08:39] | ** Kevorkian points at the shiney knoppmyth cd. ** | |
| [15:08:45] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | I was thinking of using Kubuntu instead, but 7.0.4 has some nasty graphics bug during install |
| [15:09:06] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | siXy: I can see the top bit |
| [15:09:07] | ** Kevorkian points at the shiney knoppmyth cd again. ** | |
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| [15:09:51] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | Kevorkian: mabey a good idea.... |
| [15:10:00] | siXy: | then ust remember that the right most one is next/finish, the one slightly to the left of it is back and the one on the far left is cancel |
| [15:10:18] | siXy: | or just use alt+n for next and alt+f for finish |
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| [15:11:43] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | siXy: What is the fun in that? I like pulling my hair out |
| [15:11:58] | siXy: | srthsrhsrthsrth: heh :) |
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| [15:13:23] | juski: | 10 more mins to go.. then I'm not gonna be here |
| [15:13:39] | siXy: | pfft :( |
| [15:14:00] | siXy: | i should have gone 15 mins ago if something hadnt broken badly |
| [15:14:08] | juski: | I hate that |
| [15:14:37] | siXy: | always on a firday afternoon for some reason :grrr: |
| [15:16:21] | directhex|work: | my last weekday in .uk as an unmarried man |
| [15:16:35] | Kevorkian: | my condolences |
| [15:16:48] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | Thanks for your help slackers. I am going to mess with the setting for a while. If I do not get anywhere then I will try knoppmyth |
| [15:16:58] | ** Kevorkian points at the shiney knoppmyth cd again. ** | |
| [15:17:21] | srthsrhsrthsrth: | stop pointing already! |
| [15:17:38] | Kevorkian: | but .. its SHINEY |
| [15:18:11] | siXy: | not after ive used it as a coaster for a few weeks :) |
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| [15:19:36] | juski: | when I used to work at Sun, always used to have to work Xmas eve half day & you could guarantee the worst problem would appear at 11.45am |
| [15:20:04] | siXy: | oooo nasty :( |
| [15:20:31] | juski: | always some stupid-ass operator error too |
| [15:20:57] | juski: | like plugged the ethernet cable into the wrong part of the backplane |
| [15:21:07] | HrdwrBoB: | better |
| [15:21:20] | HrdwrBoB: | plugged serial into ethernet |
| [15:21:21] | directhex|work: | an important lesson in not buying sunfires |
| [15:21:28] | HrdwrBoB: | but it's best if you get it REALLY wrong |
| [15:21:33] | HrdwrBoB: | like using a line with POE in it |
| [15:21:46] | juski: | I dunno what name these things went under |
| [15:21:50] | siXy: | *boom* |
| [15:22:08] | juski: | mc68040-based fault-tolerant telco systems |
| [15:22:23] | directhex|work: | m68k? O_o |
| [15:22:26] | juski: | 2 CPUs per CPUset board, 3 CPUset boards per machine |
| [15:22:51] | HrdwrBoB: | haha telco systems |
| [15:22:53] | juski: | when we did 88k stuff they have 2x 2 CPUs per CPUset |
| [15:22:54] | HrdwrBoB: | telcos suck. |
| [15:23:11] | HrdwrBoB: | I can say that because I work for one |
| [15:23:23] | juski: | we sold that stuff into Motorola SmartZone etc |
| [15:24:23] | juski: | running Unix & PSOS, one OS on each CPU |
| [15:24:33] | juski: | PITA to fault-find on |
| [15:26:29] | thoraxe_: | fault tolerant! |
| [15:26:40] | juski: | they still went wrong |
| [15:26:55] | juski: | 3 cpusets, all checking each other's bus transactions against their own |
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| [15:27:06] | thoraxe_: | at least you weren't running qnx |
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| [15:27:19] | juski: | got a great grounding in unix though :) |
| [15:27:35] | thoraxe_: | yeah i'm getting better with all this qnx thrashing |
| [15:27:42] | thoraxe_: | i still don't understand how to compile lol |
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| [15:28:02] | juski: | nor do I really – it just works for me most times |
| [15:28:09] | thoraxe_: | nothing works on qnx :) |
| [15:28:11] | juski: | and this is me who's submitted patches ffs |
| [15:28:28] | thoraxe_: | heh |
| [15:28:35] | juski: | I'll have a go at anything, me |
| [15:28:44] | juski: | within reason |
| [15:29:54] | thoraxe_: | just depends on what you've got time for |
| [15:30:33] | juski: | yeah wwell this weekend I've got a show to prepare for, so that's what I'll mostly be doing |
| [15:30:44] | thoraxe_: | show? |
| [15:31:02] | jduggan: | thoraxe_: except traffic light systems |
| [15:31:03] | jduggan: | :o |
| [15:31:08] | juski: | LUGRadioLive next weekend |
| [15:31:15] | thoraxe_: | jduggan what about traffic light systems? |
| [15:31:22] | jduggan: | thoraxe_: run on qnx |
| [15:31:23] | juski: | beard! |
| [15:31:37] | thoraxe_: | ah |
| [15:31:40] | juski: | goatse! |
| [15:31:45] | jduggan: | hrm.. |
| [15:31:47] | thoraxe_: | probably because of the distributed processing sharing stuff |
| [15:31:52] | jduggan: | so that *was* you |
| [15:32:01] | juski: | what was me? |
| [15:32:05] | jduggan: | goatse |
| [15:32:07] | jduggan: | :p |
| [15:32:22] | juski: | nah just paraphrasing somebody from #lugradio |
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| [15:32:58] | jduggan: | ah :) |
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| [15:33:14] | juski: | time for the journey home.. fun ahead... |
| [15:33:18] | juski: | laters all |
| [15:33:20] | jduggan: | :) |
| [15:33:20] | jduggan: | laters |
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| [15:38:24] | Kevorkian: | juski, that was more then 10 minutes |
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| [15:41:30] | sebrock: | must I change the port for mythlcdserver in order to get it to work with LCDd? |
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| [15:45:15] | SiD3WiNDR: | sebrock: not as far as I know, no |
| [15:45:30] | sebrock: | ok... |
| [15:45:34] | sebrock: | doesnt work here |
| [15:46:23] | sebrock: | failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [15:46:49] | sebrock: | something is wrong trying to start wih port=6545 |
| [15:47:00] | sebrock: | LCDd is running on 13666 no? |
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| [15:48:10] | sebrock: | fixed |
| [15:48:48] | gbee: | sebrock: 6545 is the port through which mythlcdserver communicates with mythfrontend/mythbackend, it's not related to the port used by LCDd |
| [15:49:08] | sebrock: | its fixed |
| [15:49:16] | sebrock: | wrong permissions on /dev/lcd0 |
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| [15:53:08] | mkrufky: | anybody with a FusionHDTV Dual Digital4 that wants to make the remote control work?? meet me in #linuxtv |
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| [16:03:59] | jams: | gbee- have you worked on the mythmusic scanning in the last 4 weeks? |
| [16:04:19] | gbee: | jams: don't think so |
| [16:04:29] | jams: | i just rescanned my music collection and it missed 60% of the files |
| [16:04:33] | gbee: | but I can't trust my memory |
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| [16:05:05] | jams: | didnt think so |
| [16:05:17] | jams: | i will look into it a bit more later today |
| [16:05:59] | gbee: | jams: hmm, only recent bug I've seen that is related had to do with samba/cifs |
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| [16:06:17] | jams: | k, it's an nfs share |
| [16:06:36] | jams: | nothing to be alarmed with yet, probably something i did |
| [16:07:31] | gbee: | there are still a few things I need to do with the scanner, but nothing I'm aware of that would cause it to miss files |
| [16:07:33] | jams: | the sucky part is that is found all the crappy stuff |
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| [16:08:25] | Dagmar: | That didn't get all your music? |
| [16:10:10] | gbee: | ;) |
| [16:10:52] | gbee: | the only related change I've made was this one, from two weeks ago – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/13670 |
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| [16:16:59] | jams: | 2nd scan found them all |
| [16:18:30] | jduggan: | voodoo |
| [16:23:06] | gbee: | I've had the scanner delete all my tracks from the database when I forgot to mount my NFS share first, really need to put in some checks to prevent that sort of thing |
| [16:23:44] | juski: | right let's see if this morning's compile does stuff |
| [16:26:27] | Dagmar: | That's nothing. |
| [16:26:59] | Dagmar: | For MythVideo to do it, when it discards all your metadata with no easy way to get it back unless it was populated from IMDB (and to a degree, that's not so easy either)... |
| [16:27:09] | Dagmar: | ...now *that's* a big deal. |
| [16:27:17] | juski: | so be careful out there ;) |
| [16:27:27] | Dagmar: | At least with MythMusic, it repopulates from the id3 tags with no real issues. |
| [16:27:40] | juski: | until video files can have metadata.. |
| [16:27:41] | Dagmar: | All you lose is number of times played and star rating (which no one probably uses) |
| [16:27:51] | Dagmar: | juski: Working on an OOB solution for that |
| [16:27:59] | juski: | nifty |
| [16:28:08] | juski: | I know we can count on you Dagmar :) |
| [16:28:10] | Dagmar: | viddyfile.mpg + viddyfile.txt |
| [16:28:19] | Dagmar: | cheap, but should be effective enough |
| [16:28:29] | HrdwrBoB: | it sucks though |
| [16:28:34] | juski: | but.. text files? no way to hide info in a header somehow? |
| [16:28:38] | Dagmar: | ...mainly because I'm getting tired of manually reentering all the shit for the TV shows |
| [16:28:38] | HrdwrBoB: | because I use multiple things to play videos |
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| [16:28:55] | HrdwrBoB: | myth, other PVRish programs, windows, embedded boxes |
| [16:29:03] | Dagmar: | juski: Well, some of the Microsoft-invented containers have room for this, but not all |
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| [16:29:19] | juski: | ah |
| [16:29:20] | Dagmar: | Particularly not mpg itself. |
| [16:29:27] | juski: | I bet mkv does |
| [16:29:32] | Dagmar: | Probably |
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| [16:29:41] | juski: | can mkv hold plain mpeg2? |
| [16:29:57] | Dagmar: | I dunno. I just know about what kind of people use mkv |
| [16:30:02] | juski: | haha |
| [16:30:20] | juski: | fans of cel-based animation |
| [16:30:27] | Dagmar: | Anime freaks. |
| [16:30:34] | juski: | I was trying to be kind |
| [16:30:39] | Dagmar: | Buncha freaking otaku, every one |
| [16:30:44] | HrdwrBoB: | no |
| [16:30:47] | juski: | frame that statement! |
| [16:30:48] | HrdwrBoB: | also lots of HD in mkv |
| [16:30:58] | juski: | yeah but 1337 HD I bet |
| [16:31:06] | HrdwrBoB: | mkv can hold anything |
| [16:31:09] | HrdwrBoB: | it's just a container |
| [16:31:16] | juski: | well that's good |
| [16:31:26] | Dagmar: | Yeah, well, the other name for them is "pirates" |
| [16:31:26] | juski: | maybe the metadata bit will garner it some extra support |
| [16:31:51] | HrdwrBoB: | you say pirates, I say copyright infringement is only a tort |
| [16:31:53] | HrdwrBoB: | eh |
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| [16:32:19] | Dagmar: | ...but either way, not all video formats can have metadata of the key-value type embedded in them, so an OOB text file is the only universal solution |
| [16:33:22] | juski: | well for the amount of space it'll occupy relative to the size of the video files.. |
| [16:33:41] | Dagmar: | Yeah really. |
| [16:33:56] | Dagmar: | "Onoez! These txt files are taking up 2k each!" |
| [16:34:06] | juski: | maybe make it xml-based in a proper format |
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| [16:34:26] | juski: | easier to parsen stuff |
| [16:34:38] | Dagmar: | I was going to be lazy and just make it key: value unless I can find something in the code to recycle easily |
| [16:34:58] | Dagmar: | Yeah but it's easier for humans to scribble up a text file, although XML ain't _that_ damn hard |
| [16:35:16] | juski: | ah but it is to hear some people.. |
| [16:35:17] | juski: | pfft |
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| [16:35:25] | Dagmar: | It really amounts to what i can recycle first that looks like it would never, ever result in a BugTraq posting about something with my name attached. |
| [16:35:38] | Dagmar: | I simply will not have that happening. |
| [16:36:20] | Dagmar: | I've gotten this far without publishing anything exploitable, and I'd like to keep it that way |
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| [16:40:28] | gbee: | if we ever start worrying about the security of mythtv, then I'd think we are all in trouble |
| [16:40:29] | sebrock: | when I boot it says mythbackend is starting but then I have to start it manually anyway... |
| [16:40:56] | gbee: | sebrock: something wrong with your init script then |
| [16:41:40] | sebrock: | which script should I look into? |
| [16:42:03] | juski: | /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend |
| [16:42:15] | sebrock: | hm... it will start manually |
| [16:42:16] | SiD3WiNDR: | hehe |
| [16:42:26] | sebrock: | could it be a permission thing? |
| [16:42:38] | SiD3WiNDR: | gbee: you mean things like passing invalid data into the non-protected backend port causing it to segfault? :) |
| [16:42:55] | juski: | maybe a thing mythbackend depends on.,. oh I dunno like mysql or networking hasn't started by the time mythbackend tries to run |
| [16:43:23] | sebrock: | aha |
| [16:43:44] | gbee: | SiD3WiNDR: yeah, as one example |
| [16:43:49] | sebrock: | I noticed that portmap is tryig to start a second time aswell... |
| [16:43:52] | juski: | there should be crud in the init script looking for mysql having started IIRC |
| [16:44:54] | juski: | maybe mythbackend is failing to start because (!) your recordings dir is on some NFS share that isn't getting mounted right away.. that'd bork it too |
| [16:44:56] | gbee: | we assume, and with good reason, that mythtv isn't going to be running on an unprotected network ... if you are running an unprotected network, then you've more to worry about ;) |
| [16:45:21] | juski: | I agree with you gbee – no need to make mythtv secure as such |
| [16:45:30] | sebrock: | no recordings is on the same machine |
| [16:45:37] | gbee: | sebrock: may even be that the network isn't started, so that mythbackend is unable to bind itself to the right IP/port |
| [16:45:42] | juski: | if folks are gonna be running it over VPNs or whatever that's their own lookout |
| [16:45:49] | juski: | hey look in your backend log ;) |
| [16:46:19] | sebrock: | this is the last thing and my setup will finally be finished |
| [16:46:23] | SiD3WiNDR: | gbee: somehow there was a reference to encoder 5 in my database somewhere, frontend requested status of that encoder via backend socket -> boom. |
| [16:46:32] | SiD3WiNDR: | I didn't hand-change a single thing in that database |
| [16:46:49] | SiD3WiNDR: | I removed all my tuners and re-added them, problem solved |
| [16:46:53] | gbee: | the backend init script should really run almost last in the init sequence, e.g. runlevel 5, at S95 |
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| [16:48:04] | SiD3WiNDR: | juski: I don't think it should be that hard to protect it some way, a simple password would help somewhat, without immediately resorting to SSL encrypted connections and such |
| [16:48:06] | Dagmar: | Some troll fodder for those of you pimping Core2 like Intel is the new golden child: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20070628134608 |
| [16:48:20] | SiD3WiNDR: | theo doesn't count |
| [16:48:21] | SiD3WiNDR: | :> |
| [16:48:45] | gbee: | SiD3WiNDR: that would be a bug more than an exploit, the difference being that one is something that could happen by accident in normal setup, the other is a deliberate attempt to cause harm |
| [16:49:13] | Dagmar: | Theo might be a jerk, but as far as technical considerations are concerned, he's usually spot on |
| [16:49:16] | SiD3WiNDR: | gbee: well, buffer overflows shouldn't be there in any case, but I can easily crash my backend with a simple telnet connection, that's not cool :/ |
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| [16:49:23] | Dagmar: | s/jerk/flaming asshole from hell/; |
| [16:49:33] | juski: | so don't run myth on an unprotected network |
| [16:49:40] | SiD3WiNDR: | every network is an unprotected network |
| [16:49:51] | SiD3WiNDR: | my frontend crashed my backend! |
| [16:49:55] | juski: | hell stuff like apache has vulnerabilities that aren't _that_ hard to exploit |
| [16:49:56] | gbee: | not my network :) |
| [16:50:06] | SiD3WiNDR: | gbee: you don't have any machines on it? :P |
| [16:50:13] | juski: | I'm happy the way it is |
| [16:50:40] | juski: | if peeps wanna spread machines between locations let them take their own measures to protect $stuff |
| [16:50:41] | gbee: | like usual, patches are welcome |
| [16:52:00] | SiD3WiNDR: | juski: my backend is in my pc room and my frontend is in my living room; I hope that's not too far away from standard mythtv use :> |
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| [16:52:21] | juski: | I meant kinda WAN stuff |
| [16:52:46] | juski: | between your yacht with sat-network & your NYNY apt. and your log cabin.. lol |
| [16:52:53] | juski: | that sort of thing :-P |
| [16:53:03] | HrdwrBoB: | ahaha |
| [16:53:10] | Lunar_Lamp: | I've installed mythtv on ubuntu. I plan to use a frontned to it, so understand that havint the backend ip set to "127.0.0.1" is incorrect. However, what should I set it to to avoid the error mesage? localhost? |
| [16:53:35] | SiD3WiNDR: | how about the ip address of your backend machine? :) |
| [16:53:44] | juski: | no, if you run the frontend & backend on the same machine 127.0.0.1 is fine |
| [16:53:56] | Lunar_Lamp: | juski, oh, ok, so what does the error message mean? |
| [16:54:03] | SiD3WiNDR: | oh. |
| [16:54:03] | Lunar_Lamp: | The backend is running, and the ip is correct. |
| [16:54:13] | Dagmar: | If you have networking turned off for the mysqld, 127.0.0.1 will just not work. :)_ |
| [16:54:24] | juski: | if you run the FE & BE on different machines, you must set the frontend to connect to the correct IP address of the backend |
| [16:54:29] | Lunar_Lamp: | Dagmar, ah, ok, so how do I turn it on? |
| [16:54:34] | juski: | the page in mythtv-setup tells you this |
| [16:54:36] | Lunar_Lamp: | juski, yes, ofc, that makes sense :) |
| [16:54:37] | Dagmar: | Lunar_Lamp: Look in my.cnf |
| [16:54:48] | Dagmar: | ...and like juski says, the docs say |
| [16:54:55] | juski: | the setup page says too |
| [16:54:59] | juski: | pretty hard to miss it |
| [16:55:04] | Dagmar: | If you can't read docs, don't waste other people's time with your problems |
| [16:55:42] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, i did read teh docs, whichis where my original question came from... |
| [16:55:58] | sebrock: | yes juski, it turns out it is unable to open the lockfile |
| [16:57:46] | gbee: | really want to see the auto-discovery go in soon, might badger CDev about that |
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| [16:59:41] | sebrock: | I was wondering, the program guide, does it update itself? |
| [17:00:58] | Dagmar: | yep |
| [17:01:38] | sebrock: | great |
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| [17:01:56] | sebrock: | so last thing now, dont know why portmap tries to start two times |
| [17:02:18] | sebrock: | ...or why there is a file called '1' in root that contains nothing :D |
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| [17:03:37] | sebrock: | which log should I look into to find that? (portmap) |
| [17:04:19] | juski: | in theory the epg updates itself.. depends how you get your guide data & whether you opt to run mythfilldatabase or not ;) |
| [17:04:49] | juski: | </pedant> |
| [17:04:51] | sebrock: | I get it through XMLTV |
| [17:04:53] | sebrock: | :D |
| [17:08:03] | juski: | have to dig out one of my homebrew serial lirc receivers tonight & get lirc worky for the show. bah |
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| [17:08:40] | juski: | haven't had that much fun in ages :) |
| [17:21:00] | Sid`: | greetings from Port Moresby |
| [17:21:06] | Sid`: | this place is an dump. |
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| [17:24:51] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, the weather plugin doesn't appear to be working properly for me – I have lots of "insert weatherobj()" type errors on teh screen |
| [17:25:31] | juski: | yeh it's borked & nobody is in a special hurry to fix it |
| [17:26:22] | Lunar_Lamp: | Ah, fair enough :-) |
| [17:26:22] | gbee: | shame lirc doesn't work with IrDA |
| [17:26:30] | Lunar_Lamp: | Wasn#t sure if it was at my end or not :-) |
| [17:26:58] | Lunar_Lamp: | juski, what kind of broken is it? Or where can I find info, to see if I can find out if I'm able to help fixing it. |
| [17:27:40] | Lunar_Lamp: | (btw, the error I had earlier seemed to be due to the backend not starting due to a dodgy path for storing recordings :-s) |
| [17:27:47] | juski: | they changed the site (MSNBC did) & that broke the screen scraping code – but that code violated the usage conditions of the site anyway |
| [17:28:19] | Lunar_Lamp: | Ah ok, so it requires a location from which to obtain the info then. |
| [17:28:23] | GreyFoxx: | Heh my wife was asking about that the other day when she was trying to see what the next day was gonna be like |
| [17:28:44] | gbee: | Lunar_Lamp: we already have a replacement for North America, but nothing for the rest of the world yet |
| [17:29:05] | gbee: | though I'm not entirely happy with the replacement, it's a pain to setup |
| [17:29:12] | juski: | gbee: we now have a veritable fistful of flyers :) |
| [17:29:26] | Lunar_Lamp: | gbee, I'm just checking out the MET office site to see if that's a viable replacement – they are a public body with a remit to work in best interests of the piblic, so there may be an opportunity to work there. |
| [17:29:27] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Is that in mythweather-revamp or in trunk ? |
| [17:29:33] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: revamp |
| [17:29:37] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [17:29:41] | GreyFoxx: | I should check that out |
| [17:30:02] | juski: | it's a PITA & I couldn't get it to do much |
| [17:30:03] | gbee: | Lunar_Lamp: MET office or BBC Weather are possibilities for the UK |
| [17:30:26] | Lunar_Lamp: | gbee, MET is international I think – at least it claims to be on the website. |
| [17:30:37] | juski: | might see what mythnews can do with the bbc xml feed |
| [17:30:38] | Lunar_Lamp: | Though I concede that it might not do the fine detail for non-UK places. |
| [17:31:30] | gbee: | Lunar_Lamp: doubt it provides detailed information for anywhere but the UK – might provide generalised info for world capitals but not localised stuff |
| [17:31:37] | Lunar_Lamp: | Also, that reminds me, I tried to load up a BBC news item from the info centre also – that crashed mythtv. |
| [17:31:59] | Lunar_Lamp: | gbee, yeah, that's what I suspect, though, that's possibly better for non USA people :-/ |
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| [18:03:52] | sebrock: | why are scripts called S(numer)portmap etc... |
| [18:03:59] | sebrock: | what does the number do |
| [18:04:55] | jams: | S means start, the number is the order it starts in |
| [18:05:01] | jams: | lower numbers start first |
| [18:05:09] | juski: | woo mythnews does youtube & stuff now :) |
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| [18:05:22] | sebrock: | ah tnx |
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| [18:11:44] | ** jams is getting tired of waiting for UPS to show up ** | |
| [18:19:22] | fryfrog: | a good toy due? |
| [18:19:28] | fryfrog: | or something boring like underpants and socks? |
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| [18:25:24] | Daviey: | Truly amazing.... |
| [18:25:30] | Daviey: | The mailing list. |
| [18:26:44] | Daviey: | RE: Spam – Where did this come from, how can we stop this?... Then the discussion moves completely onto whether it should be discussed |
| [18:27:19] | jduggan: | too many politics in the world today |
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| [18:27:46] | ** Daviey doesn't like ** | |
| [18:28:01] | Anduin: | Daviey: That thread plus the zap2it ones are part of a plot to make everyone unsubscribe. |
| [18:28:03] | Daviey: | ................... people |
| [18:28:16] | Daviey: | zap2it got silly... |
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| [18:30:14] | Daviey: | I'm not suprised the yanks posted so much. Panic & hysteria set in |
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| [18:36:51] | fryfrog: | hey, any summary of the datadirect news? |
| [18:36:55] | fryfrog: | cancelation still on? |
| [18:36:58] | fryfrog: | any update? |
| [18:38:18] | GreyFoxx: | cancelation = still on, update = no, negotiations with mutiple vendors for datasources = yes, alternate scrapers = yes |
| [18:39:57] | jams: | i wonder how large of thread that update information would cause on the mailing list |
| [18:41:29] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
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| [18:43:33] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [18:44:48] | thoraxe: | panic AND hysteria? |
| [18:44:55] | thoraxe: | who would've thunk |
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| [18:55:56] | juski: | bluegh. vomity |
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| [19:01:13] | jams: | juski- ? |
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| [19:03:39] | oppiz: | i am setting up mythweb and when i attempt to accessed thje page http://127.0.0.1/mythweb/ i get Database Error with no other output, that isn't much help |
| [19:05:20] | ** juski is feeling very ill.. ate something dodgy maybe... ** | |
| [19:06:46] | oppiz: | if you help me it will make you feel better |
| [19:07:03] | juski: | oppiz: you should read the docs that come with mythweb :) |
| [19:07:11] | oppiz: | indeed i did |
| [19:07:12] | juski: | there. that didn't make me feel any better at all |
| [19:07:22] | oppiz: | i still have the erroe |
| [19:07:34] | juski: | lemme guess – you're running ubuntu right? |
| [19:07:38] | oppiz: | no |
| [19:07:41] | juski: | no? |
| [19:07:56] | ** oppiz is a devel. od cross-lfs ** | |
| [19:08:00] | juski: | ok so the username & password for the mysql user in .htaccess is what ? |
| [19:08:11] | juski: | make sure they're correct for your box |
| [19:08:22] | juski: | they default to 'mythtv' & 'mythtv' |
| [19:08:39] | oppiz: | mythtv:ZHuJSjfGsDesg |
| [19:08:46] | juski: | and usually the 'database error' pretty much tells you exactly what you need to do |
| [19:09:01] | oppiz: | that be the md5 sum |
| [19:09:23] | juski: | bah I didn't mean the .htaccess file |
| [19:09:31] | juski: | the mythweb config file.. |
| [19:09:42] | juski: | the docs tell you which file to put the mysql login details into |
| [19:09:48] | oppiz: | oh yeah, it is the defaults. mythfrontend works fine |
| [19:10:17] | oppiz: | setenv db_login "mythtv" |
| [19:10:17] | oppiz: | setenv db_password "mythtv" |
| [19:10:28] | juski: | maybe you need to tell mysql to work on the machine's real IP address instead of 'localhost' |
| [19:10:43] | juski: | I'm really dizzy now so can't even try to help for much longer |
| [19:10:52] | oppiz: | thanks |
| [19:11:17] | juski: | this sucks feeling like this on a friday, but thank f. it's tonight not this time next week! |
| [19:13:43] | sphery: | matty: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . zilla-search |
| [19:13:59] | sphery: | matty: And, my personal favorite is: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232749#232749 |
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| [19:26:20] | Daviey: | juski: Are you staying Sunday night? |
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| [19:26:56] | juski: | no I'll be heading back home |
| [19:27:06] | juski: | 2 nights' stay is all I can stretch to |
| [19:27:06] | Daviey: | booo |
| [19:27:27] | juski: | hey if more people would donate for my themes I'd not be so skint :) |
| [19:27:27] | Daviey: | I managed to wangle Fri->Mon :) |
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| [19:27:48] | Daviey: | juski: stay Sunday night and i'll donate you a beer |
| [19:27:56] | juski: | anyway there's a limit to how many beers I can take! |
| [19:28:21] | juski: | I'll be a shadow of my former self on sunday |
| [19:28:48] | Daviey: | Considering i've only seen the 1 pic of you, that can't be a bad thing :) |
| [19:28:59] | juski: | f.o. :-P |
| [19:29:35] | juski: | why do you think there aren't any pics of me in my own themes like?! |
| [19:29:48] | juski: | don't wanna scare people away ;) |
| [19:29:58] | Daviey: | 'cause we want to promote mythtv, not scare people away? |
| [19:30:08] | Daviey: | you beat me! |
| [19:30:53] | juski: | anyway wossis 'we' ? you planning to help out on the stand? |
| [19:31:06] | Daviey: | erm |
| [19:31:09] | ** Daviey hides ** | |
| [19:31:14] | juski: | hahaha |
| [19:31:29] | juski: | well, I'm gonna go have a nice lie down & see if this queasyness sods off |
| [19:31:30] | Daviey: | I'm willing to put some time in :) |
| [19:31:53] | Daviey: | take care juski |
| [19:32:31] | Lunar_Lamp: | Hmm, when I try to load newsfeeds, or a webpage, via mythtv – it crashes. Is this a known issue, a config problem, or an odd aberration? |
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| [19:45:30] | gbee: | not known, maybe config and a bug if config is correct |
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| [19:48:02] | oppiz: | of is the output file! |
| [19:53:02] | Lunar_Lamp: | gbee, ok, thanks |
| [19:53:06] | SiD3WiNDR: | if is the input file! |
| [19:53:07] | SiD3WiNDR: | (or the interface) |
| [19:53:19] | thoraxe: | or the input frequnecy |
| [19:53:22] | Lunar_Lamp: | Do you have any suggestions what it could be? |
| [19:53:31] | Dagmar: | Aliens. |
| [19:53:45] | thoraxe: | does it crash with an error message? |
| [19:54:01] | gbee: | Lunar_Lamp: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
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| [19:57:16] | oppiz: | Database Error |
| [19:57:18] | oppiz: | AH!!!! |
| [20:04:13] | gbee: | !seen o_cee |
| [20:04:13] | MythLogBot: | o_cee was last seen 5 days 10 hours 40 minutes 48 seconds ago |
| [20:04:41] | thoraxe: | time to go home |
| [20:04:43] | thoraxe: | have a good weekend |
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| [20:11:14] | oppiz: | anyone know what the perl script in ,ythweb is for? |
| [20:13:39] | oppiz: | someone should add that you need perl DBI-mysql |
| [20:20:26] | Dagmar: | EVeryone's perl ships with that |
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| [20:26:18] | oppiz: | indeed it does not |
| [20:26:33] | oppiz: | perhaps most distros ship with it |
| [20:26:41] | oppiz: | but perl does not |
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| [21:02:03] | Lunar_Lamp: | When I try to watch TV, mythtv crashes. I started mythtv from teh command line, and this is the output: http://pastebin.ca/596251 |
| [21:02:16] | Lunar_Lamp: | I'd appreciate it if someone was able to point me in the right direction. |
| [21:05:11] | juski: | 1st question – are you running mythtv on top of beryl? if so, don't :) |
| [21:05:14] | seanwg3: | does anyone know where the romdb loading script for mythgame lives? |
| [21:05:22] | Lunar_Lamp: | juski, no I'm not :-) |
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| [21:17:46] | gbee: | Lunar_Lamp: a crash is a mythtv bug, but we can only fix it with a backtrace |
| [21:18:57] | gbee: | heh, there is a limited stacktrace in that log ... open a ticket http://svn.mythtv.org/ |
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| [21:30:36] | Lunar_Lamp: | gbee, I will, though, no idea if it's related, but my box died soon after, not sure what the problem is – might be overheating. |
| [21:30:43] | Lunar_Lamp: | That may be the cause of the myth crash. |
| [21:30:46] | Lunar_Lamp: | THough no idea. |
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| [21:32:20] | rmoquin: | hello, can someone tell me why I get this message: "LIRC IS NOT CONFIGURED"? I've put my lircd.conf into both the /etc and /etc/lirc directory.. is there another reason why I would get this message? |
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| [21:33:02] | gbee: | no lircrc ? |
| [21:34:33] | rmoquin: | the tutorial I have has that as a step after |
| [21:34:50] | gbee: | oh nevermind, that's a lirc error, not a mythtv one |
| [21:35:25] | juski: | you do need a lircrc in ~/.mythtv/ though |
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| [21:36:14] | rmoquin: | right, I'm definitely putting on there, I already downloaded a preconfigured one to try |
| [21:36:46] | rmoquin: | the tutorial specifically mentions that error and then tells you to go back to the section where it tells you to download and put an lircd.conf in /etc/lirc |
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| [21:38:37] | gbee: | rmoquin: try start lircd manually and seeing what error it gives |
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| [21:44:48] | rmoquin: | gbee: no error that I see |
| [21:45:08] | rmoquin: | when I run it manually |
| [21:45:55] | rmoquin: | brb |
| [21:46:41] | gbee: | does someone want to cat the ubuntu lirc init script and see why it throws that error? |
| [21:48:26] | juski: | that's something I'll be playing with tomorrow I fear |
| [21:48:49] | hads: | It's a grep -q "^#UNCONFIGURED" /etc/lirc/lircd.conf |
| [21:48:57] | juski: | doubtless I'll not bother with module-assistant this time either |
| [21:49:12] | hads: | juski: m-a is good, simple |
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| [21:50:58] | juski: | I just ask myself – why bother going through the rigmarole of finding out wtf I'm doing when I can just do what I'm used to – I mean I'll forget the new stuff soon enough anyway |
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| [21:51:37] | hads: | *shrug* |
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| [21:52:11] | juski: | I tried following a howto on the ubuntu blog/forum/wiki thingy & just got into a big tangle |
| [21:52:38] | juski: | missed out a step somewhere no doubt & wrecked it beyond all recognition. ended up building it myself anyway |
| [21:53:21] | hads: | Just run `m-a` as root and follow the steps... :) |
| [21:54:35] | juski: | I screwed a debconf effort somewhere along the line.. might be worth picking it up again since I won't be in such a hurry this time |
| [21:56:47] | hads: | I usually just edit /etc/lirc/lirc-modules-source.conf by hand and specify the module I want (mceusb2), that's all that's needed for me. |
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| [22:09:42] | jason__: | im having issues getting mythtv to playback hd tv smoothly, ive got a amd 2500+ with a gig of ram, and a geforce 6200 video card, ive tried different tweaks and nothing seems to get it quite smooth enough to watch HD and record at the same time. I can only watch HD recordings while nothing is being recorded, if im not using the nvidia library in xvmc. with the nvidia dll, i get choppy sound and or video... ;-( |
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| [22:10:01] | jason__: | any guru's in the house? ;-) |
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| [22:22:29] | juski: | can anybody around here punctuate properly?! :-P |
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| [22:23:55] | mikeones: | juski: No! |
| [22:23:59] | mikeones: | hehe |
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| [22:31:00] | juski: | jason__: DMA on your HDD turned on? not upscaling the video to some daft size? tried disabling opengl vsync? |
| [22:31:21] | juski: | or if already disabled, EN-abling it/ |
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| [22:54:44] | atarinox: | does anybody have any recommendations for a simple way to dual boot windows and mythtv |
| [22:55:05] | atarinox: | would knoppmyth straightforward enough |
| [22:55:54] | juski: | but what happens when your fave show is on & you're in windows? myth can't record it then! |
| [22:57:05] | atarinox: | yeah i know it's not ideal, but i don't have the money right now to make a standalone box |
| [22:57:06] | jason__: | lol, true. dedicated backend is the way to go! or frontend/backend combo, cuz i can at lease exit from the frontend and the backend will still record |
| [22:57:23] | jason__: | *least |
| [22:57:34] | jason__: | but then im in ubuntu, not windows... |
| [22:57:56] | juski: | recording with the right hardware takes up very little CPU, so all you need is a big HDD in a cheap old box really |
| [22:58:43] | immolo: | jason__- ubuntu and for those hard to reach scratches use vmware |
| [22:58:55] | atarinox: | really? i thought the encoding req. some cpu power. i've got an olddddd 600 mhz p3 desktop...would that work? |
| [22:59:12] | juski: | atarinox: if you're not planning on doing much processing after recording, probably |
| [22:59:44] | juski: | maybe not for HD but definitely for standard def. TV with a hardware encoding card like the hauppauge pvr150/pvr500 |
| [22:59:47] | atarinox: | hmmm...so i'd prob just need to upgrade the vid card and hd |
| [23:00:39] | juski: | and even with a faster machine you really don't wanna be mucking about with software encoding with 'A' TV card |
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| [23:05:50] | atarinox: | what kind of storage is typical...assuming i don't want to hold onto everything recorded and watched? |
| [23:06:09] | Dagmar: | 2.2gb per hour |
| [23:06:17] | juski: | more for HDTV obviously |
| [23:06:30] | juski: | maybe 10GB/hour for HDTV |
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| [23:16:19] | atarinox: | let's say i just want to have an rss feed setup to grab shows online. is myth more than what i need? |
| [23:16:41] | atarinox: | and then to play on tv obviously |
| [23:18:08] | juski: | myth doesn't 'do' grabbing of tv shows from online. that's mostly naughty |
| [23:22:19] | atarinox: | hmm yeah |
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| [23:27:44] | mchou: | lol |
| [23:28:17] | mchou: | some ppl have the weirdest questions |
| [23:30:41] | Daviey: | I wish to break the law in most western countries, what's the best way to do it? |
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| [23:48:36] | MarcNo: | I've been happy with mythtv 0.19 on Dapper for quite a while, after a kid-generated reboot, mythtv doesn't have any sound. The system does — startup noise and gxine play, just not mythtv. I've checked the sound settings in the database and they were around 85. Any ideas on how to trouble shoot it? |
| [23:50:26] | MarcNo: | Aha! |
| [23:52:18] | MarcNo: | A while ago I added mythtvfrontend to the gnome startup. I've removed it and started it manually and have sound. |
| [23:53:01] | MarcNo: | Thanks for the help ;-) |
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| [23:57:18] | k-man: | is there any way to watch youtube videos through mythtv? |
| [23:58:27] | hugolp: | k-man yes |
| [23:58:35] | hugolp: | download them and play them |
| [23:58:42] | k-man: | hugolp, ? |
| [23:58:53] | k-man: | usng? |
| [23:59:00] | k-man: | using what? they are flash videos |
| [23:59:22] | hugolp: | there are several programs that let you download youtube videos |
| [23:59:30] | hugolp: | dont know the name but google will tell you |
| [23:59:34] | k-man: | ok |
| [23:59:38] | k-man: | now what I really meant |
| [23:59:54] | hugolp: | then the answer is dont think so |
| [23:59:57] | k-man: | i mean't a way to browse youtube, and select and watch videos |
| [23:59:58] | hugolp: | never heard of it |
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