Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, June 28th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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Imsdle:

can anyone tell me how to install knoppix myth just for backend

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

getrusage is useless under Linux, it seems

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Dagmar:

Well, after the first time, anyway

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Beirdo:

it's useless to me

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Beirdo:

doesn't show memory use

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Dagmar:

hohoho

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Imsdle:

use top

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Imsdle:

Berido.. type in top

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GreyFoxx:

Imsdle: He knows how to do that

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Beirdo:

inside a program, silly

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GreyFoxx:

he's trying to do it in his program :)

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Noble:

imsdle, I'm not sure how to easilty install just the back end, but whats wrong with installing both and not running the front end?

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jams:

GreyFoxx- had time to "spin" an iso around?

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Imsdle:

oh.. well worth a try

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Imsdle:

Noble..yeah i think that is the best option... I just want to set it up to record shows then copy them to my media gate over night

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mikeones:

how can I get the imdb info into mythvideo if the imdb.pl fails? Is there a way to get the movies number from the web?

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xris:

hahaha. kormoc will (probably) be at the gpl3 unveiling ceremony on friday.

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Beirdo:

ewww

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Beirdo:

hehe

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xris:

well, he's with "a girl" (who works for the fsf)

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Beirdo:

heh.... a "girl" :)

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Beirdo:

muhhah

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clever:

all the audio in my mythtv is messed up

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Beirdo:

:)

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clever:

sounds like its playing too slowly

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Beirdo:

clever, try reading the docs for mythtv, I think that's in there

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clever:

only affects 1 recording

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xris:

Beirdo: well, I'm not going to give her name in a public channel. she was quite nice when we met her at linuxfest nw.. nicer to him than me, but, well, he's single.

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clever:

the use audio as a timebase option?

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Beirdo:

then delete that one recording?

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Beirdo:

xris, well good on kormoc :)

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clever:

Beirdo: then id need to wait for it to reair before i can record and watch it

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clever:

video as a timebase turned on

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clever:

intact recordings still work

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clever:

the 'damaged' one still plays in a damaged way

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clever:

delete+rerecord

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clever:

:(

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wastrel:

hey dudes :]

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wastrel:

got my transmitter hardware working

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wastrel:

now need to get lirc configured :/

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wastrel:

always something else to do in myth

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cheeseboy:

hi

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cheeseboy:

zap2it doesnt work anymore right?

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Beirdo:

!trout cheeseboy

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** MythLogBot slaps cheeseboy with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

is it Sept 1?

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wastrel:

the announcement says they're going to stop sep 1

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wastrel:

yes

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cheeseboy:

what can i use instead?

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Beirdo:

my computer tells me it is Jun 27 today

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Beirdo:

you can use patience

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clever:

i see Wed Jun 27 19:49:01 2007

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Beirdo:

one way or the other, there will be an alternative by Sep 1

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wastrel:

bah. i don't know what i'm doing. is there a way to make lirc log errors?

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DMJC-L:

is there some way to view the mythtv database graphically?

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cheeseboy:

mysql-admin ?

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DMJC-L:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

whats happenign re4garding zapit

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EnterUserName:

any headline news/

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DMJC-L:

actually is there a list of things that can be manipulated in mythtv's mysql database?

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loops:

will have to go back to scraping websites no doubt

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DMJC-L:

eg videometadata

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DMJC-L:

coverfile

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DMJC-L:

etc

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EnterUserName:

that willt ake forever though no?

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Beirdo:

we'll see what happens, it's being looked into

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** EnterUserName sighs **

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EnterUserName:

Why doesnt' zap-it charge a little money

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EnterUserName:

if they charged 2 bucks a month couldnt they make a fortune ?

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EnterUserName:

:p

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EnterUserName:

id pay 2 bucks a month!

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EnterUserName:

maybe I should start the company! :)

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clever:

lol

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loops:

i'd like to know what they meant by "people abusing their free listing service"

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EnterUserName:

yes me too

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EnterUserName:

i didnt understand that

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clever:

would it be posible to program some stuff into mythtv

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EnterUserName:

I think they meant people weren't abiding by there guidelines

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clever:

say telling it that show xyz airs acording to this patern of rules

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clever:

so i could manualy feed info in for shows i want?

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Beirdo:

commercial enterprises misusing the data, I think they meant

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chandoo:

Hi :)

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loops:

ahh.. that could be Beirdo

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chandoo:

Need help in configuring mythtv, i installed just now for the first time

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loops:

probably clever, better to just have up to date listing service tho :)

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clever:

yeah

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DMJC-L:

I'm trying to get mythtv to schedule episodes to play one after another

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DMJC-L:

I know about the inbuilt software it's inaddequate for my needs

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Kevorkian:

so then write your own DMJC-L

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loops:

what's the problem chandoo ?

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DMJC-L:

I'm trying to write an sql script that will queue up all files in a directory and will set the metadata to play them one after another

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EnterUserName:

I have a complete id

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DMJC-L:

what I'm trying to find out is what mythtv stores that stuff as, how do i get a list of the variables in the database?

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EnterUserName:

why dont we have a server that scrapes data

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wastrel:

crap i broke my remote

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EnterUserName:

and mythtv users connect to the server thats scraping the data?

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Kevorkian:

well .. if by directory you mean a filesystem directory , then sql will also be "inadequate" for your needs.

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loops:

EnterUserName, yes.. but there is probably copyright problems then

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Beirdo:

why don't we let the devs figure out how they want to deal with it

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DMJC-L:

no... the database stores the filenames and locations

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EnterUserName:

loops: put the server somewhere where it wont infringe on copyrights?

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DMJC-L:

so I can sort by directory location

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Beirdo:

EnterUserName, no such luck

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DMJC-L:

and tell it to order files by directory

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DMJC-L:

instead of going into each individual file's metadata and setting it by hand

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loops:

EnterUserName, yeah.. i suppose that could work.. would be better than everyone scraping themselves.

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DMJC-L:

which for 500+ files is a lot heh

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wastrel:

do i have to restart mythfrontend if i restart lircd?

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Beirdo:

the data is from the USA, and will be used in the USA. You can't just bypass copyright by hosting the stolen data in a third world country

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chandoo:

Loops: after installing how to configure

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Kevorkian:

EnterUserName, will you pay for the server ??

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Kevorkian:

and the bandwith.

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Kevorkian:

and will you maintain it ?

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EnterUserName:

ya i thought you'd say something like that :)

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EnterUserName:

How did zap-it do it without copyright laws?

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loops:

chandoo, have you read anything from the website?

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Beirdo:

and will you pay the inevitable fines, and do the inevitable jail time?

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EnterUserName:

I could help maintain..

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Beirdo:

they OWN the data, EnterUserName

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Kevorkian:

there is no issue with copyright laws

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Beirdo:

they get it from Tribune Media, which is their parent company

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loops:

chandoo, there is a quick-start and other docs on the mythtv.org website..

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chandoo:

Loops: what ever i click i am getting choose language second db settings and finish After i press enter finish notthing is happening

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Kevorkian:

guide data in and of itself isnt copyrighted

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chandoo:

Loops: is this that difficult?

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Beirdo:

Kevorkian, there are plenty of issues with screen scraping copyrighted data

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Beirdo:

yes there is, actually

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loops:

chandoo, naw.. but there are a couple small sticking points

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wastrel:

bah

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chandoo:

What part i look for quick setup

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loops:

chandoo, it sounds like it can't connect to your database.. have you configured it ?

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Kevorkian:

There is no brodcaster in the world that wants to limit there guide data.

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Beirdo:

the episode description text for a start is copyrighted

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chandoo:

Loops: just intalled

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Kevorkian:

the distribution of teh data that is.

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Dagmar:

At least not while they're advertisers are out of the room

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Dagmar:

s/they're/their/;

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Kevorkian:

the more people that see the guide data .. the more eyeballs on the show itself ..

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loops:

chandoo, okay.. you need to do some configuration, read "Configuring MythTv" on http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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Beirdo:

We attempt to be above the legal board here, Kevorkian. Let's let the devs work out a solution.

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wastrel:

heh the more PVR's recording the show and skipping the commercials

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Beirdo:

they are actively working on it last I heard

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chandoo:

Loops: okay

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loops:

Beirdo, our talking about it isn't getting in the way of the devs

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wastrel:

sooo why won't my channel changing work?

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Beirdo:

loops, but it is also not productive in any way :)

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Kevorkian:

wastrel, most pvr's dont skip commercials

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loops:

Beirdo, i spose you're right.. i was just interested iz all

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Beirdo:

heh, true

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EnterUserName:

maybe the deves

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EnterUserName:

can get ideas from us?: )

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Beirdo:

it's also a recurring topic...

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Beirdo:

maybe

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loops:

yeah.. i just found out about it today when i redid my backend

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EnterUserName:

like would it be bad to make a little money from hosting a service that did it

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EnterUserName:

if you use really cheap rates?

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EnterUserName:

or is it completely impossible due to bandwidth problems.

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Kevorkian:

there really isnt a way to allow an open patform to access guide data in a way that they can keep secure and make money with a subscription model.

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loops:

no.. there's not a lot of bandwidth

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EnterUserName:

or making a policy similiar to gentoos once a day.. or maybe once a week

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Beirdo:

EnterUserName, yes there is if you are stealing the data :)

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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Beirdo:

Kevorkian, and I think that's not far off what is being considered, but I'm not sure

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EnterUserName:

make a partnership with zap-it?

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Kevorkian:

is screen scraping REALLY stealing the data ?

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Beirdo:

well, unless there's another source of decent data, there may not be any other choice but license the data from TMS

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loops:

probably it is if you redistribute it afterward

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Kevorkian:

in theory , you could read the screen and type it into yoru DB manualy ..

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Beirdo:

Kevorkian, yes it is if you repackage and republish

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Beirdo:

just the same as it would be to scrape someone's blog and republish as if you owned the data

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Kevorkian:

its not the scraping itself thats the issue then.

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loops:

but if everyone does their own scraping.. probably legal

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Beirdo:

loops, yes, likely so

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Beirdo:

but not the ideal methodology :)

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chandoo:

Loops: cannot able to find libqt3c102-mt-mysql for fc7

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Kevorkian:

BUT .. if everyone did there own .. I could see the format changing .. daily

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loops:

nope.. and not ideal for the provider either.. heavier load on their servers

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Beirdo:

so HOPEFULLY there can be some good middle ground

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Kevorkian:

DDOS untill they let us have the data in a reasonable manor

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loops:

chandoo.. hmmm.. i haven't tried it on fc7 yet.. 1 sec

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Beirdo:

!trout Kevorkian dumbass

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** MythLogBot slaps Kevorkian with a dumbass trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

don't even talk like that on a publically logged channel, silly :)

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xris:

!trout Beirdo language

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** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a language trout on behalf of xris... **

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Kevorkian:

well .. induhvial scraping would be that

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Beirdo:

heh, my bad, xris

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EnterUserName:

haha

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chandoo:

Loops: OOPs that is debian users, sorry, what i learned in document

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wastrel:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

DDOS can they charge us for that :P

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wastrel:

so it seeems

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wastrel:

that the thingy isn't working

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

They can turn things into an arms race

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Kevorkian:

now .. if I could figure a simple way to pull the guide data from my tivo and put that into myth ..

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Kevorkian:

that would be good

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

that data also comes from TMS, BTW

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Kevorkian:

its all trbuine

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Kevorkian:

not may others that package it

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Kevorkian:

BUT .. I think the cable companys do there own

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Beirdo:

yeah, they pretty much have a monopoly

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Beirdo:

not many

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EnterUserName:

how about tribune make it hard so only mythtv users can use it?

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loops:

chandoo, all i see for Fedora is using atRPMS repo to get it precompiled...

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EnterUserName:

i know that will be hard considering mythtv is opensource.

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Kevorkian:

thats the thing EnterUserName .. once its in a open format ..

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Beirdo:

most cable company guides I've seen are powered by TMS data

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Kevorkian:

it will be out there

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wastrel:

so i'm using irsend but it's not translating the button lable into a pluse code, it's just flashing the led once for each button

[01:16:51]

wastrel:

pulse

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loops:

chandoo, but i really don't know proper way for Fedora

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wastrel:

label

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EnterUserName:

hmm make a external binary fromz zap-it if ppl want to use it?

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Kevorkian:

I know that my cable company used to compile it itself

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EnterUserName:

:S

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Kevorkian:

EnterUserName, how do you protect the data once itsin the db ?

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Kevorkian:

how will myth use said data ?

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EnterUserName:

hmm.

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wastrel:

since we have 2 months, lets let the devs figure it out and not worry ourselves about it

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EnterUserName:

2 months go by quick

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EnterUserName:

:)

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wastrel:

instead, save channel bandwidth for my lirc problems

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Beirdo:

yeah, get worried if there's nothing ready by the end of August

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loops:

lol wastrel

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Kevorkian:

lirc problem ??

[01:18:46]

Kevorkian:

you mean you got it to work ??

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Beirdo:

until then, sit back, have a beer and relax

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EnterUserName:

wastrel: your ir blaster?

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Kevorkian:

CALL THE MEDIA @@

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wastrel:

yes ir blaster

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EnterUserName:

what from?

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loops:

sorry.. beer makes me worry more

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EnterUserName:

PVR150?

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wastrel:

it's flashing the led but not sending the channel codes

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wastrel:

no it's serial

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EnterUserName:

oh

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Kevorkian:

the led ??

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Kevorkian:

the IR led ?

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wastrel:

yes

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EnterUserName:

maybe you got the wrong frequency

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Kevorkian:

just wondering how you confirmed that ..

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chandoo:

Loops: do i need to create user in mysqldb, is it not automatic

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wastrel:

you can watch it in a digital camera

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wastrel:

or you can swap out the ir led for a regular led and just look

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loops:

chandoo, you just need to redirect the myth load script into mysql

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loops:

it does everything

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Kevorkian:

did you put the IR one back in .. bckwards ?

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wastrel:

but regardless i'm giving irsend the button label and it's supposed to flash out the pulse code but it's just flashing once

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wastrel:

no code just one flash

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loops:

chandoo, as root: mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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chandoo:

Loops: okay let me run that

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chandoo:

Loops: no database directory

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loops:

chandoo, oh.. you don't have a working mysql install yet.. k hmmm

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loops:

i forget the instruction...

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loops:

chandoo, does the command "mysql_install_db" work on Fedora ?

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chandoo:

I have it in this path /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.20.1/database/mc.sql

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loops:

ahh.. okay

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cheeseboy:

know when you go to change channel it goes through thing with show decsriptions?

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chandoo:

Root@localhost ~]# mythmytharchivehelper mythbrowser mythfilldatabase mythjobqueue mythreplex mythtranscode mythtvosd mythtv-setupmythbackend mythcommflag mythfrontend mythlcdserver mythshutdown mythtv mythtvsetup mythwelcome

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chandoo:

Loops: i have these commands available

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loops:

right... well what happens when you mysql < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.20.1/database/mc.sql

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chandoo:

I did it

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chandoo:

No output i just got prompt

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loops:

yup.. thats good

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chandoo:

Run setup again now

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cheeseboy:

anyone know what im talking about?

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loops:

chandoo, yeah.. mythtv-setup should work for you now

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chandoo:

Let me run

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loops:

cheeseboy, not sure what you mean.. what's your question though?

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cheeseboy:

well on it instead of saying channel # it says adding chan

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cheeseboy:

and gets cutoff

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cheeseboy:

how do i fix?

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Dagmar:

needs more gaffer tape

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loops:

Dagmar, might be on to something there.. i don't know cheeseboy.. hopefully someone does

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cheeseboy:

:/

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r33ddl3r:

hala

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r33ddl3r:

anyone here running linuxmce?

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wastrel:

ok i'm thinking i don't like the irsend command

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wastrel:

because it's not what i want?

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wastrel:

what do i know

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wastrel:

ok no irsend is good. lircd is breaky

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wastrel:

crap i'm going to have to bulid lirc with debugging enabled?

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r33ddl3r:

bah... I got my remote to work w/mplayer.. but not w/mythtv

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wastrel:

did you restart mythfrontend after you restarted lircd

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wastrel:

your .lircrc also has to be in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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chandoo:

Loops: works now, but little bit complex to setup

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chandoo:

No mouse

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chandoo:

Do not know how to choose a option like check box

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chandoo:

I had initiall error

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chandoo:

Let me tell you

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wastrel:

we hates it my precious

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Kevorkian:

cheeseboy, you scanned your channels in. you did not add them via a listing source

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cheeseboy:

Kevorkian, what?

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cheeseboy:

scan for channels again?

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Kevorkian:

no ..

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Kevorkian:

thats why it says "adding chan"

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Kevorkian:

is because you scaned them in

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Kevorkian:

when you scan them in .. it has no way to know the chan name

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cheeseboy:

so what do i do?

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Kevorkian:

SO .. it defaults to calling it "adding chan" and the chan number

[01:55:58]

Kevorkian:

either name them .. or del the source and re add via a listing source

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Kevorkian:

its not like myth automagicly knows what chans YOU have

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cheeseboy:

how i do that?

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cheeseboy:

go to myth-setup then?

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Kevorkian:

yea .. it would be in mythsetup

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Kevorkian:

right near where you hit scan ..

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Kevorkian:

is .. get from soucre

[01:58:02]

wastrel:

Realtime priority would require SUID as root

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wastrel:

what's that?

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Kevorkian:

as long as you add a listing source thats valid for your location .. it will work

[01:58:34]

Kevorkian:

SUID is a privlage level that lets a process set its userid ..

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hads:

wastrel: Nothing to worry bout

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loops:

chandoo, yeah.. takes a bit to figure out checkboxes :o) right-arrow

[02:00:18]

wastrel:

will setting mythfrontend suid root make it more responsive?

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chandoo:

Loops: i have error like could not connect to master backend server is the server running?

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cheeseboy:

Kevorkian, theres no get from source

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Kevorkian:

yes there is cheeseboy

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loops:

chandoo, are your frontend and backend on same machine?

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Kevorkian:

it would be right around the same place as where you scan

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chandoo:

Yes

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chandoo:

Loops: it is my desktop so every thing is on same machine

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Kevorkian:

chandoo, did it work before you broke it ?

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cheeseboy:

Kevorkian, theres sort mode videosource channel scanner transport editor

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loops:

chandoo, did you start the backend ?

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chandoo:

Mysql?

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loops:

no.. there's a separate process

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chandoo:

Then i didnt

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loops:

i'm guessing.. but on fedora it should be... service mythbackend start

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wastrel:

lirc lirc lirc lirc

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chandoo:

Loops: wooooooow you are right

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chandoo:

I typed mythwelcome then i go the error

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chandoo:

How do i browser my movies folderand run avi file

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loops:

does mythfrontend work?

[02:06:20]

chandoo:

Yes it works

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chandoo:

Let me try now again

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cheeseboy:

Kevorkian, nvm found it but it isnt working

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loops:

chandoo, i'm not sure if you can import your existing avi files into mythtv...

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chandoo:

I choose my videos folder under videos setup settings but it doesnt scan subfolders, however it does for music

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loops:

chandoo, right.. you're into stuff i've never done there.

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chandoo:

Loops: :)

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chandoo:

I am figuring it out like how to do that

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chandoo:

I can listen music it is awsome, i have to figure it out videos

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cheeseboy:

help?

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loops:

chandoo, if you want mythtv to work after a reboot you'll need to set mysql, and mythbackend to start automatically

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loops:

chkconfig --level 345 mythbackend on

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loops:

and chkconfig --level 345 mysql on

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loops:

should do it

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chandoo:

Loops: i updated, but i can also start under services mytvbackend and mysqld

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chandoo:

Wooooooooow first time i am using mythtv really awsome

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chandoo:

Loops: thanks for the help buddy

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loops:

no problem.. glad you got it working

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chandoo:

It would be really help ful if you know how to make mouse work

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chandoo:

I like neon theme

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wastrel:

now configure lirc for your external cable box ;]

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loops:

chandoo, mouse doesn't work very well with myth.. but you can turn it on in frontend

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loops:

utilities/setup -> setup -> appearance -> (second page) -> uncheck "hide mouse"

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EnterUserName:

d

[02:28:37]

loops:

u

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loops:

d

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loops:

e

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cheeseboy:

how i adjust tv stuff like hue and brightness?

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loops:

press G cheeseboy

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loops:

while watching tv

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loops:

each time you press you get next option... arrows to set

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chandoo:

Loops: i enabled it thanks

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chandoo:

Now i can see videos scanned in subfolders

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chandoo:

It happened after i changed the theme

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chandoo:

Now i can play videos from my disk

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loops:

cool.... just needed a reset

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chandoo:

:) lol what a marvalleous piece

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cheeseboy:

thnx loops

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chandoo:

Why there is no us weather in mythtv

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loops:

cheeseboy, np.. here's a good cheat sheet of all keys http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/keys.txt

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chandoo:

I do not see us cities under weather

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loops:

my fav key is Z to skip commercials

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chandoo:

Am i missing some thing

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loops:

chandoo, no weather in USA.. always sunny

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loops:

;o)

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chandoo:

Lol :)

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wastrel:

does that work?

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wastrel:

heh i haven't tried it yet

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wastrel:

Z

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loops:

yeah.. it rocks.. the commercial flagging is really good

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wastrel:

i would be very happy if lirc worked :[

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loops:

only works on recorded shows of course

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wastrel:

yeah i can't record shows because the tuner doesn't work

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loops:

i just moved my board to a new machine.. and my second tuner doesn't work either :oP

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loops:

why are you worrying about lirc if your tuner doesn't work yet :)

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wastrel:

lirc is how to control my tuner

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wastrel:

ir blaster

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wastrel:

cable box

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loops:

ahh.. okay..

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loops:

thought you were trying to get a remote control working

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wastrel:

the remote works

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wastrel:

the annoying thing is my distro's packaged lircd doesn't have the logging option

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chandoo:

Guyz what is xrandr

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wastrel:

dunno if it's a compile-time configuration option or not present in the version

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loops:

wastrel, what distro you using?

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wastrel:

ubuntu

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loops:

chandoo, it controls screen rotation

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loops:

it's part of the X server

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loops:

wastrel, have you seen this lirc troubleshooting page? http://www.eggshellskull.com/lirc/trouble/index.php

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wastrel:

i haven't but my problem isn't directly covered there

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loops:

nothing bout single blink led's hey ?

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loops:

what type of tuner do you have?

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wastrel:

the cable box or the hauppauge card?

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loops:

cable box

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wastrel:

scientific atlanta something 3250

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loops:

just because it sounds a bit like you maybe have the wrong config file for it

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wastrel:

i've tried several different configs

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loops:

if its sending the wrong codes

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wastrel:

yeah

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loops:

hmm.. found some SA configs.. but not 3250.. only 1840, at8400, and explorer 2000

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wastrel:

2000 is the same supposedly

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wastrel:

for remote codes anyway

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wastrel:

per the tivo forums

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loops:

right.. well that's what you're trying to send out

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loops:

remote codes

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loops:

you're turning your computer into a giant remote control ;o)

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loops:

might be worth trying the config from http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/scientific_atlanta/

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loops:

if you're stuck for what to try next

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wastrel:

i tried it

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loops:

k

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wastrel:

no matter what config i try it just blinks the LED once

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wastrel:

for each digit i send

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wastrel:

it's not sending a pulse code

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loops:

anything in your /var/log/messages ?

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loops:

an error or anything?

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wastrel:

no but i don't think lircd would log there

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wastrel:

there's lircd stuff in /var/log/syslog but it's not very informative

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wastrel:

"accepted new client" "removed client"

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loops:

does the LED make a visible blink?

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loops:

are you able to see it blink?

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wastrel:

yes, on then off. i have the circuit breadboarded so i can swap in the red LED or the IR

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loops:

right..

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wastrel:

both just blink on then off. i watch the IR through a digital camera

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loops:

isn't it possible that's what's supposed to happen? i mean.. maybe it just happens faster than the human eye can see?

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wastrel:

i'm going to try to recompile lircd with debugging support

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loops:

that's smart

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loops:

no sense guessing what's going on.

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wastrel:

well if i watch the remote through the digital camera i can see a pulse pattern from pushing a button

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loops:

interesting...

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_banyan:

Is there a prefabbed Hauppauge PVR .lircrc file kicking around?

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loops:

_banyan, perhaps here: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/

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wastrel:

meh i can't mess with this tonight

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wastrel:

i need to remove my distro's lirc packages and install from source

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clever:

wastrel: when you combine the freq of the camera refresh rate and the freq of the remote signal

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clever:

you may wind up getitng a harmonic

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clever:

for example if the camera refreshes at 60hz and the remove at 40hz they will float in and out of phase

[03:30:27]

clever:

your only getting a sample of that 40hz signal 60 times a sec

[03:30:51]

clever:

if the remotes signal is faster (i think 40Khz is standard area) youll only get parts of it and not much detail at 60hz

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Tanthrix:

Otherwise known as a beat frequency

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Tanthrix:

(Sort of)

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clever:

but if the sampling rate is too slow like the 60hz of the camera you will get random parts of the the wave form and see a diff freq

[03:32:02]

clever:

if you graphed out the 2 freq's you could calculate the freq you wind up seeing

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wastrel:

clever: i get a couple hours a week to play with this

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clever:

lol:)

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clever:

i got several hurs a day

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jjaacckk:

Can anyone spare a few minutes an chat about a rewind issue I am seeing under 0.20 — PVR 350

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dr_willis:

rewind issue?

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jjaacckk:

yep

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** dr_willis wonders how rewinding is related to the tv tuner card **

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jjaacckk:

It may not be...

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jjaacckk:

i upgraded from .19 and have seen a GREAT improvement in backend stability

[03:45:35]

jjaacckk:

however:

[03:47:33]

jjaacckk:

If I rewinding for and then hit play the screen freezes and slowly progresses in small jumps until finally it plays [the freeze seems to be proportional to the time I was rewinding]

[03:47:53]

jjaacckk:

odd

[03:48:02]

jjaacckk:

FF works without this problem

[03:49:11]

jjaacckk:

though if I FF 3 5 ...120x 180 it then wraps around to 3x and starts playing-perhaps this may be related?

[03:49:22]

jjaacckk:

any thoughts?

[03:51:31]

jjaacckk:

how can i determine which version of ivtv I have?

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dr_willis:

hmm...

[03:55:57]

jjaacckk:

it may be a kernel issue? I have upgraded this kernel and therefore ivtv for a long time

[03:57:16]

jjaacckk:

are you using ivtv 10.3

[03:58:14]

wastrel:

i hate lirc

[03:58:22]

jjaacckk:

concur

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jjaacckk:

i did finally get 2 instances running under debian but not yet under SUSE

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wastrel:

i got it running easily enough but it's not working

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loops:

cheeseboy, to fix "adding channel" problem run " mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates"

[04:00:25]

cheeseboy:

loops, got it alreadt thnx though

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jjaacckk:

ircat is helpful to debug lirc issues

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wastrel:

no, i'm transmitting not receiving

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jjaacckk:

irw is better — oh transmitting — i did get that to working a long time ago

[04:02:04]

jjaacckk:

it was difficult for me

[04:02:27]

jjaacckk:

so you have compiled a second instance of lircd

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wastrel:

well i compiled 2 modules for it

[04:03:28]

jjaacckk:

i have lirc and lirc_xmit

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wastrel:

i'm just starting 2 instances of lircd wiht different args

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jjaacckk:

k

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jjaacckk:

root@box:~/ivtv-0.10.3# cat /etc/rc5.d/S20lirc_xmit

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jjaacckk:

# start up custom LIRC to handle IR LED transmission

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jjaacckk:

#

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jjaacckk:

# /bin/setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none # use this for COM1

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jjaacckk:

if [ -x /usr/local/lirc-ledxmit/sbin/ledxmit-ledxmitd ]

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jjaacckk:

then

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jjaacckk:

fi

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jjaacckk:

#

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wastrel:

yeah i'm able to blink the transmitter led

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wastrel:

but lirc isn't sending the pulse codes

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jjaacckk:

k that is good

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jjaacckk:

you did the Camera test?

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wastrel:

yeah and i pull out the ir led and pop in a red led

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wastrel:

easier

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wastrel:

i have yellow and green too but not blue

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wastrel:

or white

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jjaacckk:

i guess — I just think its cool to see the IR in the LCD of the digital camera ... it also shows the our IR led is good

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jjaacckk:

our --> your

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wastrel:

i'm pretty satisfied that the hardware is working, and the basic setup to drive the serial port is working

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wastrel:

but the config isn't right

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jjaacckk:

you're probably right

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wastrel:

i give lircd the button name and get a single blink instead of the pulse code

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wastrel:

so now i am going to download and build lirc again with debugging flags turned on and try again

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wastrel:

but not tonight because i'm fried

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jjaacckk:

do you have a change_chan.sh

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wastrel:

yeah but that just calls irsend

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jjaacckk:

#!/bin/sh

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jjaacckk:

REMOTE_NAME=SA3250

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jjaacckk:

for digit in $(echo $1 | sed -e 's/./& /g'); do

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jjaacckk:

sleep 0.5 # note, you may have to tweak the interdigit delay up a bit, depending on your DISH receiver model

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jjaacckk:

done

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wastrel:

you're missing the irsend bit

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wastrel:

you have sa3250? what lircd.conf are you using?

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jjjaacckk:

i left off /usr/local/lirc-ledxmit/bin/ledxmit-irsend SEND_ONCE $REMOTE_NAME $digit

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wastrel:

yeah irsend

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wastrel:

seems to be a client to lircd

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jjjaacckk:

probably

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wastrel:

just delivers your args to lircd which does some magic to them

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jjjaacckk:

$REMOTE_NAME is right?

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wastrel:

yeah

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jjjaacckk:

you downloaded the remote info from the sight?

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wastrel:

what config did you use for your sa 3250? i have that box (not the HD)

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wastrel:

yeah i've tried a bunch

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jjjaacckk:

me too

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wastrel:

i'm thinking of building an IR receiver so i can record from the remote

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jjjaacckk:

let me look real quick

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jjjaacckk:

I think it is Explorer_2000

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wastrel:

that's one of the ones i tried :]

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jjjaacckk:

hmm

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xanderp:

anyone in here have the antec fusion with the vfd display working in a frontend?

[04:16:38]

jjjaacckk:

nope

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jjjaacckk:

any experience with a glitch in Rewind?

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xanderp:

whatcha mean

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wastrel:

i need to get some shuteye

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jjjaacckk:

goodluck wastrel

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wastrel:

thanks for chatting folks, gl with your issue jjjaacckk

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jjjaacckk:

thx

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xanderp:

i'm literally falling asleep typing this.

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jjjaacckk:

when I stop rew it gets glitchy — frame pause frame pause ... then eventually it plays

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xanderp:

sounds like an encoding issue where it's not putting enough sync blocks in the stream... what happens if you rew the same video outside of myth?

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jjjaacckk:

i haven't tried that — ff in myth doesn't have this problem

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xanderp:

also, is this standalone, or separate frontend?

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jjjaacckk:

no – It is a backend/frontend with a nfs to another backend

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jjjaacckk:

I haven't seen this issue in minimyth

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xanderp:

possible network bottleneck?

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jjjaacckk:

possible but it is curious that it doesn't have the same issue with ff

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jjjaacckk:

if just checked my ivtv version ... its from 2003

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jjjaacckk:

I bet the .20 version is assuming a newer version

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jjjaacckk:

of ivtv

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xanderp:

i don't know that much about it but seaking backwards in a file could be more work intensive than forwards

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jjjaacckk:

i would find that surprising

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xanderp:

me too

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xanderp:

try it with mplayer or something to see if it's myth

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jjjaacckk:

that would be easier that recompiling the kernel — i'll give that a try

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jjjaacckk:

can mplayer read a nuv ?

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xanderp:

hauppauge?

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jjjaacckk:

yep

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xanderp:

try it and see.. it plays mine, (pvr350 and 250's)

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jjjaacckk:

350

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xanderp:

you can cp the file to a .mpg file and play that

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xanderp:

nuv from 350 is a mpg

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jjjaacckk:

i renamed it mpg and mplayer choked on it

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xanderp:

odd

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xanderp:

what distro

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jjjaacckk:

what i had to mplayer -vo x11

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jjjaacckk:

what – > wait

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_banyan:

loops: it's weird that irw works but mythfrontend ignores it.

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xanderp:

lirc.conf in the right place?

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xanderp:

gotta bail, falling asleep at the kb.

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xanderp:

nite all

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_banyan:

nope, it's missing. I was looking for one.

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jjjaacckk:

thx x night

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_banyan:

it's supposed to be where again?

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Dagmar:

/window balance

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HrdwrBoB:

haha

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Ross_C:

wow – quiet in here today. Guess everyone's packing their bags to camp out for an iPhone? ;)

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Dagmar:

No, but there's some kid who thinks I'm paying him $600 for his place in line in the morning

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HrdwrBoB:

hahaha

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[R]:

whats the big deal

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[R]:

ooo, a phone

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Ross_C:

a phone with a decent web browser

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[R]:

lets go waste 5 days of our lives to be the first to have one

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[R]:

yes, because i really need to browse the web on a 1 inch screen

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Ross_C:

Palm's basically done as close to nothing for the past 4 years that they could do.

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jjjaacckk:

anyone else doing 350 out?

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CCFL_Man2:

camp out for iphone, wtf?

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Dagmar:

No way would I do that

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CCFL_Man2:

who would want to camp out for an iphone thats locked to att?

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CCFL_Man2:

and has no wifi

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CCFL_Man2:

or does it have wifi?

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Dagmar:

It does afaik and it's not locked to AT&T so much as the other carriers won't have anything to do with it because Apple won't let them "customize" it into a vending machine for charging per tune and per ringtone

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CCFL_Man2:

ahh, apple kicks ass

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Dagmar:

I also suspect they're probably senselessly pissed off that they can't upsell people coming in for an iPhone

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CCFL_Man2:

i thought it was locked to att

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Dagmar:

Service is set up through iTunes at the moment

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CCFL_Man2:

if i could buy an iphone without cell phone service i wou;d

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Ross_C:

so, question is... how do we get myth recordings into itunes or onto iphone

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Dagmar:

...but if the cell providers weren't going out of their way to make incompatible networks requiring specific hardware in phones, they might not have this problem

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Dagmar:

Pfft. If I pay $600 for a phone, it better make freaking phone calls

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CCFL_Man2:

get a $20 tracfone and use it's sim card

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Dagmar:

That'll only work on GSM networks

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: the cell phone companies are digging themselves into a grave

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HrdwrBoB:

I'm going to go out on a limb here

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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HrdwrBoB:

and tell you all just how crap the iphone is

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HrdwrBoB:

the answer is : very.

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CCFL_Man2:

why is it very crappy?

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HrdwrBoB:

overpriced

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HrdwrBoB:

underfeatured

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HrdwrBoB:

not enough battery life

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CCFL_Man2:

overpriced, definately

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CCFL_Man2:

underfeatured how?

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Dagmar:

You haven't seen what most of the high-end cell phones actually cost then

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HrdwrBoB:

Dagmar: I have

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HrdwrBoB:

I know the asiapacific mgr for imate

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HrdwrBoB:

and I work for telstra

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HrdwrBoB:

(AU biggest mobile phone co)

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Ross_C:

I just want a modern PDA with a great web browser that doesn't crash/reset/reboot all the time

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Ross_C:

hint: it's not palm

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HrdwrBoB:

heh

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HrdwrBoB:

as much as I hate to say it

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CCFL_Man2:

i use my nintendo ds with ds linux and ssh into my shell, it's all i need

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HrdwrBoB:

windows mobile isn't actually all that bad

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CCFL_Man2:

win mobile is fairly decent

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Dagmar:

Just keep sucking Bill's schlong

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HrdwrBoB:

Dagmar: ...

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Ross_C:

that's cause Palm has blown the 5-year lead they had, and Microsoft's on round 6 and is starting to get a few things right...

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: i don't, i pirate windows

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Dagmar:

See, I'm of the belief that if it's not worth paying for, it's not worth using.

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Ross_C:

that's junk

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CCFL_Man2:

windows 2003 is nice

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Ross_C:

everything has an intrinsic value

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CCFL_Man2:

i use windows 2003

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Ross_C:

if you're forced to work hard for junk, you might rationalize that it's worth it, but you're just trying to console yourself

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CCFL_Man2:

windows is overpriced

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Dagmar:

So how exactly does this contradict the idea that if something is worth using, it'll be worth paying for?

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Ross_C:

well, it doesn't necessarily follow that something free is not worth using

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Dagmar:

That's good because it has nothing to do with what I said.

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: it's not worth paying for with the price they put on it

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Dagmar:

CCFL_Man2: Then, IMHO, it's not worth using at that price

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Dagmar:

Ross_C: You might wanna read up a bit on obversion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obversion

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Dagmar:

...so that you'll be able to see the difference between what I said and what this other stuff is

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CCFL_Man2:

i need to figure out how to mount windows shares in openwrt

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Dagmar:

It's not valid to obvert or convert what I said to mean "If something is free it's not worth using"

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Dagmar:

More specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraposition

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Ross_C:

dagmar: fair enough, you said "if it's not worth paying for"...

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Ross_C:

but... mythtv is free – is it worth paying for?

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Dagmar:

See, this is where basic reading comes in.

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Dagmar:

I did *not* say that.

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Dagmar:

I said "If it's worth using, then it's worth paying for"

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: my bullshit meter is wayyyy off scale

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Dagmar:

Seriously, look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraposition

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k-man:

hello

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Dagmar:

IN the second section there it shows examples of conversion, obversion, etc

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HrdwrBoB:

I use things that are good for a particular purpose

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k-man:

can anyone make any recommendations of a dual tuner DVB-T tuner card that works with linux?

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CCFL_Man2:

it's too late to look at that stuff

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Dagmar:

Each of these types of logical operations is only valid for particular types of statements

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HrdwrBoB:

dual tuner is tricky I think

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Dagmar:

Use the wrong form on the wrong type of statement, and the resulting argument is almost always invalid

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Dagmar:

Example of above in contrapositive: If something is not worth using, then it's not worth paying for.

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: youropion is moot then

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Dagmar:

No, it's not.

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** loops changes topic mythtv-logic-lessons **

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Dagmar:

Look at the table in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraposition_% . . . nal_logic%29

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CCFL_Man2:

i'd pay no more than $50 for a windows license

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Dagmar:

Seriously, if you want to ever be able to tell what the hell is going on in gov't you have to learn logic

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Dagmar:

Because those m'f'ers lie like there it no tomorrow using the cheapest and most transparent of fallacious arguments

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: with bush running the gov't you call it logic, gah

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Dagmar:

Once you learn to break their statements down and test them logically, they pretty much can't hide anything

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: you need a life

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Dagmar:

I've a life.

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Dagmar:

...and a reputation for really fucking over beureaucrats

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Ross_C:

so you must be busy

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CCFL_Man2:

you are republican, aren't you?

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CCFL_Man2:

i fucking hate republicans

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HrdwrBoB:

CCFL_Man2: what about jews and black people?

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CCFL_Man2:

you are a disgrace to my irssi window running in screen

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CCFL_Man2:

HrdwrBoB: nope, just republicans

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Ross_C:

just wait, without even changing your views, you'll become a republican in 30 years (quoting someone else...)

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Dagmar:

F*ck herd mentality.

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CCFL_Man2:

i'll be out of politics by then

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CCFL_Man2:

Dagmar: you have proven yourself as worthy as an ant

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Ross_C:

CCFL_Man2: contrapositively, dagmar has not proven himself worthy an a non-ant

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

Keep reading.

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Dagmar:

You will eventually learn why "non-ant" doesn't work there.

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Dagmar:

Truth, and validity are two different things.

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Dagmar:

"contrapositively, dagmar has not proven himself worthy an a non-ant" <-- valid, but not true

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Ross_C:

I'm just playing around. You guys are great :)

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CCFL_Man2:

oh who cares if big words are used properly

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Dagmar:

Oh, I thought you were serious

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Dagmar:

Shucks, here I was thinking it was a good try anyway

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CCFL_Man2:

i don't see the need to use big words

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CCFL_Man2:

not when my keyboard is the bottom screen on my ds

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Ross_C:

y u nd 2 uz big wrdz? zzz... OMG

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CCFL_Man2:

i bet none of you know about vapor compression refrigeration

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Dagmar:

A tiny bit

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Ross_C:

Isn't that how the Doc created ice cubes in Back to the future 3? ;)

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Dagmar:

Could have been. I wasn't paying attention to what they were supposed to be doing in the storyline

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k-man:

anyone ever heard of or used this DVB tuner? http://www.digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/DualUSB.html

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juski:

k-man: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/LifeView

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juski:

I especially enjoyed reading "The LifeView company are not at all Linux friendly and you should avoid buying their DVB-T devices unless you have no alternative. LifeView supports only Windows and, in the case of the LifeView TV Walker Twin, they even refuse to support the device under Windows Vista."

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Ross_C:

which means they probably didn't write their existing windows driver...

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Dagmar:

Yep

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juski:

who does? everybody's just an OEM these days

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juski:

even Hauppauge are to a large degree

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juski:

"so this reference design of Conexant's.. we'll take it.."

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achew22:

in 2.6.20 did they remove a lot of drivers for wifi?

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xris:

juski: um, oem means "original equipment manufacturer"... that'd be "everyone's NOT an oem"

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xris:

and on that note, I'm going to go manufacture some dreams...

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ShockValue:

man i screwed up my system, not sure whats going on

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ShockValue:

i upgraded to newest nvidia drivers, didnt work, so i went back to regular ones

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ShockValue:

and now when mythfrontend loads, it does the "pre-scaling" etc, and right before the menu shows up, the screen goes black

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ShockValue:

but, it still works, if i hit enter, live tv starts..its just not displaying the menu

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ShockValue:

any idea whats going down?

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Dagmar:

Disable the OpenGL paint engine

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ShockValue:

that sounds reasonable.. how do i do that on a front-end only machine?

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ShockValue:

crap, wrong button, sorry 0

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Dagmar:

The same way you'd do it for any other

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ShockValue:

brb

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siXy:

what seting controls the font size in recorded tv? it doesnt seem to affected by global font size in settings>appearences

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Dagmar:

There's a font size for TV?

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siXy:

no i mean the font size in the watch recordings section

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Dagmar:

It's controlled by the theme

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siXy:

ah ok, thx

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juski:

yeah xris that's what I meant but hey it's too early for my cogs to work properly :)

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juski:

siXy: a lot of themes set the font sizes rock solid – something I plan to get round to addressing in my own themes at some point

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juski:

but, if you run X at 100DPI, all my own themes at least should have the font size set at something reasonable & at least _readable_ on a TV – as shown in the screenshots on my website

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juski:

the moral of the story is – don't use anything but my themes. muhahahahahahahaha

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siXy:

lol!

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siXy:

i will try switching to 100 dpi tho – thanks

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juski:

http://pastebin.ca/593272 – that's how fons sizes _should_ ideally be defined in themes

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juski:

the actual 'small' and 'big' values you set in the appearance menu don't actually change what you see in the UI drawn by mythtv itself, only qt areas

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siXy:

ah i did think they were doing less than i expected them to :)

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juski:

another thing that can affect your font sizes is not actually having the correct fonts installed on your system.

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siXy:

main problem tho is that our current tv is sh*t and text is hard to read on it

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juski:

I think there might yet be merit in making a 'hard of seeing' theme where the amount of info displayed is much less but what _is_ displayed is much bigger

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siXy:

for those of us still with small CRT tvs? yeah good idea

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juski:

so it'd be much more like a STB UI

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siXy:

the wife has so far resisted all attempts by me to persuade her that we really, really *need* a 42" plasma

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juski:

I'm still reeling from the 'designed by engineers' comment the HDguys made about the UI in mythtv. it's not a million miles away from any other dvr app

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juski:

I'd love to be able to see past my confusion at that sort of comment so I can even begin to think how it might be improved – but I can't

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siXy:

maybe they were using the GANT theme...

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siXy:

but imo with your new themes which vastly improve video gallery + music playback, the only thing really missing is music chooser

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juski:

I mean will it be as simple as re-arranging the menu layout a bit? take less used options & move them out of the way? change default options (like pressing select in the livetv epg schedules a recording instead of jumping to the channel by default)

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siXy:

oh yeah the menu layout is excecively complex. ive massively simlified it on mine

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siXy:

root menu (imo) should have <tv> <video & dvd> <music> <plugins> <settings>

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Dagmar:

s/jumping to the channel/crashing the machine/;

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siXy:

and all the stuff by defualt in settings > music tools should be in the same place as music playback, same for video.

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siXy:

it doesnt make sense to me to have tv in 3 root menus (live tv, media libary > recordings, shedule recordings)

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juski:

doesn't make sense to me to have livetv in ANY menu

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siXy:

heh :D

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juski:

maybe I'll look at the DVR theme – it's meant to be much more simply laid out

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siXy:

my daughter would throw a strop if i took it out tho

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Dagmar:

It should be ever-present on the main display, to maximize the chances the machine can crash

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juski:

I think it's much more logical having all media under the one submenu as it is by default

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siXy:

iirc DVR is the one that has no settings > appearance, thus no way to change back bar editing the db

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juski:

not something I've played with yet -theming the menus

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Dagmar:

You'll see those wonderfully misleading comments that would make you think you can execute custom commands

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siXy:

Dagmar: yeah i spent some time there before giving up when i made my menu theme

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siXy:

juski: if you want i can bring my menu theme in to work tomorrow, but admittedly they are v easy to make (even i had no problems :) )

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juski:

DVR has no appearance menu though? jees that'll have to be fixed!

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juski:

yes it does!

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juski:

in main_settings.xml

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siXy:

ah ok just my flaky memory – sorry

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juski:

!trout sixy forgetful

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** MythLogBot slaps sixy with a forgetful trout on behalf of juski... **

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siXy:

hehe

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Imsdle:

i have just installed knoppix myth.. how can i ssh to the box

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blackest:

morning all

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blackest:

my dvb-t card needs a driver from cvs i've got that working but i need the ivtv driver as well and when i make install the dvb-t driver it also puts in an ivtv driver thats no good. if i reinstall the kernel i get a working ivtv driver but then my dvb-t driver doesnt work

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blackest:

any idea's how to limit whats getting installed from cvs

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Dagmar:

What kernel are you using that includes ivtv?

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Imsdle:

how do you rerun mythtv-setup after installing knoppixmyth.. i had to setup my bttv card. i get can't connect to x server

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Dagmar:

YOu do it from within X

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Imsdle:

cool... where or what is X!

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blackest:

its .17 generic

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blackest:

2.6.17-11-generic

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Dagmar:

If you don't know what X is by now, perhaps you need to start with something like http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/toc.html

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Dagmar:

blackest: The ivtv driver is not part of any kernel at the moment

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Imsdle:

excuse me.... im a newbie... this knoppixmyth was supposed to fairly simple and even pointed to how helpful this channel is..

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Imsdle:

obviously not

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Dagmar:

Probably bias

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Dagmar:

erk. wrong channel

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Dagmar:

It's pretty easy for them to dump their problems into other people's laps

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anykey_:

Imsdle: would you drive a car without knowing what the steering wheel is?!

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Imsdle:

you guys are wankers

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blackest:

sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-`uname -r` if i issue this command then ivtv is working but i lose my dvb-t driver

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Imsdle:

don't bother blckest.. these guys heads are too far up their own asses

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anykey_:

lol

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Dagmar:

blackest: Okay, so this is a problem caused by the people who put that kernel package together. They get to fix it.

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Dagmar:

No joke.

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Dagmar:

They shouldn't have bundled those.

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Dagmar:

...*because* it causes your problem

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blackest:

it kind of solves it since it gets my pvr150 working the problem is, is when i go into v4l-dvb and type sudo make install puts my dvb-t driver in and breaks ivtv

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blackest:

i think i need to identify what specifically is needed by my dvb-t card and only install that

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Dagmar:

I would stilll seriously drop this ivtv issue in their laps to fix

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blackest:

well the modules with that kernel do work for ivtv... what am i supposed to say you bÂ£$%@ made my tv card work

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blackest:

i think cvs is building 97 modules for all manner of cards i dont need to be installing 97 modules really its my heavy handed approach which is causing the problem

[09:56:22]

blackest:

i did try copying the modules for the kernel installing from cvs and then pasting the originals back in but that didnt work

[10:02:36]

juski:

maybe the guys in #linuxtv can help you there but don't say I said so :-P

[10:03:37]

blackest:

lol actually i had an idea can you make install to somewhere else ?

[10:04:11]

blackest:

build them and put them in a different folder so i can manually copy them in

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juski:

all well & good so long as there aren't any nasty symbol interdependencies & crap

[10:05:06]

juski:

like different tuner.ko modules – could get v. messy!

[10:05:49]

juski:

they're the experts in #linuxtv – they'll know the best course of action to take

[10:08:09]

blackest:

ok thanks

[10:09:01]

juski:

and chances are you'll end up doing it 'by the book' which'll mean when you come to do it again it'll be repeatable :-P

[10:09:13]

juski:

not necessarily the case with a kludgy workaround-ish hack

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** juski reports a user for talking about illegal $stuff on the forums **

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juski:

yeah yeah I know I'm a killjoy

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Dagmar:

KILL!!

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juski:

folks should know better than to try & use dvb loopback devices with mythtv

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Dagmar:

Wait... that's illegal?

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juski:

technically no, but they have illegal uses & the forum rules forbid talking about em

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quicksilver:

mythDVD has illegal uses

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juski:

I've never heard of anybody using em for legal uses anyway

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juski:

maybe I just enjoy being a bad cop :D

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directhex|work:

what's a dvb loopback device?

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juski:

a means to getting paytv without paying for it

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directhex|work:

so softcam stuff, then?

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siXy:

juski: i think you can use dvb loopback to transmit reasonable quality video around the house without expensive cabling. not heard of any ilegal uses

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juski:

no in this context it's definitely grey legally

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juski:

I'm just a jobsworth & proud of it

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siXy:

ok. im obviously just too sweet and innocent :)

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Dagmar:

I'm baffled myself, and I'm *far* from innocent

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juski:

I wouldn't help anybody steal T even if I knew how

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juski:

*TV

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siXy:

hmm wonder if you could use one of these to get sky HD on myth (might be against T&Cs of skys service tho)

[10:36:50]

juski:

nope

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directhex|work:

"So you've decided to steal cable"

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juski:

would be against the law too, nevermind $ly's T&Cs. not to mention the bother you'd have displaying h.264 hdtv in linux

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directhex|work:

you could pay for a dodgy windows codec, then man-handle it into myth!

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juski:

might not be any point doing that anymore – the multithread ffmpeg is very close now I heard

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juski:

I hrm at it all the time. not big, neither is it particularly clever

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Dagmar:

Cool, so soon we can get more than one segfault out of ffmpeg per run

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siXy:

heh :)

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** directhex|work runs Dagmar on a quad-core xeon **

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juski:

not one of your more upbeat days then, Dagmar ?

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Dagmar:

Not really

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Dagmar:

I was trying to sort what was wrong with Slackware 12's git.SlackBuild but the problem refuses to manifest for me

[10:49:01]

Dagmar:

Got a monkey in another channel trying to get a RTL8180L wireless card working, who got all pissy when I pointed out that he should stop using insmod and trash the r8187.ko module he somehow came up with after "patching the driver included in the kernel"

[10:49:17]

Dagmar:

No kernel comes with the correct driver for that card.

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Dagmar:

So I've *no* idea what the hell he patched.

[10:50:24]

Dagmar:

But apparently I'm an asshole for telling him to use the right driver and where to get it.

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siXy:

some people just dont want to be helped :S

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HrdwrBoB:

RTL* fails anyway

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juski:

born helpless.. I guess some people are just that lol

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directhex|work:

HrdwrBoB, better than syskonnect

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siXy:

it amazes me just *how many* people will come on to irc and ask for help without even the most basic of google searches first

[10:58:33]

juski:

"how do I search for stuff on the internet?"

[10:58:40]

HrdwrBoB:

"how do I shot web?":

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siXy:

lol :)

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Dagmar:

"teach me the art of hack"

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juski:

and "hey, this mythtv thing sucks. it needs to do this, this & *this* instead of what it does now. make it happen NOW or I'll go use VDR"

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SiD3WiNDR:

[28|12:49:23] < Dagmar> So I've *no* idea what the hell he patched.

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SiD3WiNDR:

he renamed rtl8139 and replaced all occurences of 8139 with 8180 ? ;)

[11:46:06]

Dagmar:

Maybe.

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Dagmar:

God only knows

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thoraxe:

PIBKAC

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thoraxe:

damn users

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thoraxe:

maybe some day i'll get around to setting up my htpc and installing myth on it

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thoraxe:

and then i can be one of those dudes that asks dumb questions

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thoraxe:

instead of one of those dudes that lurks on IRC and makes dumb comments :P

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Dagmar:

Odds are you'll probably be sitting there typing in the commands needed from memory and wondering why the hell you remember them at all.

[12:07:37]

Dagmar:

The same stuff gets asked over and over and over because people don't look at the docs

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Dagmar:

I'm about to go back to semi-formally logging issues to pick out the biggest ones, again

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voltagex:

hi, if I restart mysql while mythtv is recording, will I break everything?

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Ruleke:

moo

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Dagmar:

voltagex: possibly.

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Dagmar:

HOpefully not.

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siXy:

voltagex: only if you restart at beginning or end of recording i think. but still dont do it

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voltagex:

damn, I forgot to allow external connections to mysql so I can't run the frontend/s

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siXy:

voltagex: dont need to restart mysql for that

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voltagex:

err, hmm, good point but the tutorials I'm seeing all use /etc/init.d/mysql restart

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siXy:

mysql -u root -p

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siXy:

then GRANT ALL ON mythconverg TO 'user'%'*' IDENTIFIED BY 'somepass'; (or something like that)

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voltagex:

? I thought it was a mysql.conf option, thanks

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siXy:

nps

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mattd:

hopefully a quick question. I've been running trunk with no problems, and wanted to try the mythtv-vid branch. So switched over, recompiled, installed, etc. Now when I start the frontend I get a segfault (in QT). If I switch back to trunk it works fine. Do I need to do anything special to compile this branch?

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siXy:

uh wait it should be:

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voltagex:

siXy: yeah, that's not right I'll wait for you to correct it ;)

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siXy:

GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO 'user'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'somepass'; (or something like that)

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siXy:

got my wildcrds the wrong way round :)

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voltagex:

can I just use mythtv as the user?

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siXy:

yes

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voltagex:

thanks, be right back

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mattd:

I've got the back-trace if it helps ... but it doesn't seem to be anything directly related to the branch. Any ideas?

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thoraxe:

voltagex: access rights are controlled by the privs table

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thoraxe:

voltagex: you can add/remove/alter users while the db is running, but you have to remember to flush the privs table after you make a change

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thoraxe:

be careful about passwords though because it's fun when you change the only mysql user password to something that the db doesn't know how to handle and then your whole mysql install is junk

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thoraxe:

haha

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voltagex:

thoraxe, siXy: sorry, I didn't describe my question properly, the answer was actually changing the my.cnf file to allow connections on 3306

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voltagex:

again, I apologise.

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thoraxe:

ohhhh ports, yes, that could require a restart :)

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siXy:

voltagex: by default mysql connectins are allowed on all ports

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siXy:

unless youve changed my.cnf iptables is a more likely cuplprit

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** juski gets bored & decides to look into his mouse's 'lazer' **

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thoraxe:

i got a logitech g5 yesterday

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voltagex:

siXy: ubuntu :) I've had this problem before, they lock down all ports

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thoraxe:

haven't assembled it yet

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Dagmar:

It's just an LED

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Dagmar:

I was pretty disappointed

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thoraxe:

juski what do you do for a living, i assume it's something besides mythtv

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siXy:

ah yeah ubuntu devs like to do non-standard things to further annoy users

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juski:

I know that – I saw that when I'd just given up nicotine.. smashed my meeses to pieces :(

[12:36:35]

juski:

thoraxe: not much. as little as possible

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voltagex:

thoraxe: thanks, I still like Ubuntu :P

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voltagex:

oops, I mean siXy

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Daviey:

juski: still nicotine free?

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siXy:

voltagex: in any case there should be a port line (or sometimes 2) near the top of my.cnf which you can change. Or just get the frontend to use whatever the default port is

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juski:

yeah but all these "no smoking" signs are making me want cigs

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voltagex:

siXy: was a bind option, needed to change it from 127.0.0.1 to my LAN IP

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siXy:

juski: july 1st :(

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juski:

July 1st :D

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siXy:

voltagex: thats a bizzare default config you have there :D

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juski:

siXy: not at all – ubunut binds it to localhost by default

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directhex|work:

siXy, that's the debian default. t'is securererer!

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** juski can't wait to receive his 'ubuntu users are all retards' t-shirt **

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juski:

wear it with pride & see how long I survive.. lol

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** Daviey slaps juski **

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Ruleke:

http://johnleach.co.uk/words/archives/2007/06/28/269/

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Ruleke:

hehe

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Ruleke:

thought that was funny

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Ruleke:

look at the examples :)

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Daviey:

juski: lrl; i'm thinking of bringing my cute frontend – reckon you could find use for it?

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Dagmar:

juski: Does such a shirt exist

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juski:

the "I want it all on a plate" generation :)

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juski:

Daviey: we're ok for machines

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siXy:

so we are now up to 3 t-shirts needed. juski's myth advert-shirt, the kitten, and ubuntu

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Daviey:

juski: skrew u then :)

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juski:

cheers Daviey

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juski:

reminds me I need to make a sign saying "badgers on sale here.. only Â£10 each"

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juski:

"or Â£50 if your IRC nick is Daviey"

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Daviey:

oh what..

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Daviey:

I'll just bait somebody elses badger

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voltagex:

juski: why is being more secure by default a bad idea?

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voltagex:

(I'm not saying that Ubuntu is more secure than other distros)

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siXy:

voltagex: because in practice most users disable 90% of security features anyway, and if they are on by defualt it just means that lots questions get asked on irc channels and forums about them

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juski:

did I say it was a bad idea?

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voltagex:

siXy: like my question :/

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siXy:

hehe :)

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voltagex:

juski: you implied ubuntu was a bad idea by calling all the users retards ;)

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juski:

I didn't say all ubuntu users are retards. I said I can't wait til my tshirt saying that, arrives

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voltagex:

:P

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voltagex:

can I get one saying "every time you use the G.A.N.T theme, a child dies" ?

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siXy:

voltagex: GANT is a whole lot better than what it replaced

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juski:

I'll be voting for the removal of mythcenter & mythcenter-wide

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Dagmar:

siXy: Does it still do that spastic flickering because of the pulsing mythtv logo?

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juski:

until I make the ui code do something cooler I'll refrain from commenting about alpha-pulsing

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siXy:

Dagmar: i dont remeber it ever doing that. maybe my frontend doesnt pulsate as much as yours?

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juski:

never seen any alpha-pulse action, but then I don't enable opengl

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juski:

other than for testing

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Dagmar:

It reacts badly with deinterlacing

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juski:

the UI doesn't get deinterlaced

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Dagmar:

When you have the menu fading going on, adn that alphapulse, when you change menus the magical deinterlacer in nVidia's stuff gets freaked out and it starts showing hte pages out of order

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juski:

eew

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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juski:

one of my next moves will be to make the fade optional by a new tag in base.xml

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juski:

I hate it, but would like to feel able to use the opengl renderer

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siXy:

the opengl renderer is nice for pictures. also would be cool to get some nice annimation for album art in a future version of myth with a pretty playlist chooser

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juski:

animation in the menus 1st, since afaik not much else has gone over to mythui yet

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wastrel:

ahoy

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juski:

aharrrrrrrrrrr!

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quicksilver:

yarr!

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** quicksilver announces Pirate Day on #mythtv-users **

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wastrel:

i got my ir blaster working partly

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wastrel:

but it's not configured right

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wastrel:

er, me hearties?

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directhex|work:

yo ho

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mkrufky:

is today international talk like a pirate day?

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wastrel:

i doubt it

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mkrufky:

...that *is* a real holiday... fyi

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mkrufky:

i heard about it on NPR

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wastrel:

it is the 401k webinar

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mkrufky:

lol, ur the 2nd person to mention 401k today

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anykey_:

shouldn't a AMD 3200+ be able to play an h264 720p movie with a 5mbit/s bitrate?

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mkrufky:

anykey_: My AMD Athlon XP 3200+ barely plays 1080i in mpeg2

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mkrufky:

anykey_: it should probably work, but i'd guess that AMD 3200+ is the bare minimum

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anykey_:

mkrufky: well, yours is an AMD XP, mine is an AMD64

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mkrufky:

ah, ok

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wastrel:

is there a lirc channel?

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siXy:

#lirc

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wastrel:

heh i need to get my cable box working

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siXy:

not terribly populous tho

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wastrel:

yes i tried that

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wastrel:

are you talking about a different network or just being silly

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siXy:

wastrel: ??

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siXy:

oh seems #lirc no longer exists....

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siXy:

wierd

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Ruleke:

chooselazy(irc,docs) always returns irc :P

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wastrel:

ok

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wastrel:

well i have work to do tonight if i can find the tim

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wastrel:

e

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siXy:

well #lirc was never terribly busy – guess it just went away. try the mailing list

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wastrel:

hrm

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loops:

grrr.. mythtv refuses to change the channel on my second (onboard) tuner...

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loops:

ivtv-tune from the command line works fine.. so its something in myth

[14:56:58]

mkrufky:

nope

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loops:

random venting in case anyone has a tip....

[14:57:04]

mkrufky:

probably you need to update your ivtv

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mkrufky:

are you using a recent versionof mythtv?

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mkrufky:

ivtv is not using the new v4l2 mpeg encoder api, and recent mythtv uses that too

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mkrufky:

^^^ s/not/now

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loops:

i'm on latest ivtv (merged in mainline kernel) and it works from command line

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mkrufky:

try with v4l2-ctl , instead of ivtv-tune

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loops:

okay..

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mkrufky:

if it _needs_ ivtv-tune, then you're not using the latest ivtv

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mkrufky:

oh.... then again, if you're using 2.6.22 or later, then you do have a relatively recent ivtv

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mkrufky:

meanwhile, 2.6.22 isnt out yet, so you're using an unstable kernel

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loops:

yeah.. i'm on -rc6

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loops:

because distro kernel was oopsing

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mkrufky:

oopsing on what?

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loops:

ivtv irq setting

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mkrufky:

if a distro kernel is oopsing, that's a clue that something is wrong

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loops:

do you happen to know v4l2-ctrl command line ?

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loops:

to change channel

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siXy:

distro kernels shouldn't oops, really

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mkrufky:

v4l2-ctl --help

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mkrufky:

exactly, siXy

[15:00:03]

loops:

yeah yeah.. it's just long and not clear

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Ruleke:

let me guess... gentoo ? ;)

[15:00:15]

loops:

siXy, in a perfect world

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mkrufky:

i wont say RTFM, but you probably know what im thinking :-)

[15:00:39]

loops:

mkrufky, sure.. i appreciate the help.. just thought you might be able to speed the process

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loops:

Ruleke, yup

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mkrufky:

loops: i suspect that you'll need either a) an older version of ivtv or b) a NEWer version of mythbackend

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mkrufky:

(NOT BOTH)

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loops:

what's interesting is that both pieces of software worked fine on a different machine

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loops:

i'm just moving to a stand alone backend

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loops:

but it's on a pretty low end amd box

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loops:

thought it might be a problem with frontend/backend on different machines

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siXy:

loops: remote frontend does little to mkae live tv any more unstable than it is anyway in my experience

[15:04:06]

loops:

siXy, yeah.. that makes sense.. i was grasping at straws

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siXy:

livetv makes myth cry :)

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Dagmar:

This Paris Hiliton interview makes me want to kil

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loops:

okay.. "v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video1 -f 193.250 -s 0 --verbose" worked fine

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siXy:

loops, there are some fixes in recent myth svns regarding crashing due to tuner CRC errors – have a look through the comitts and see if any of them look like what you are seeing

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loops:

mkrufky, so v4l2-ctl works (changes channel even while mythfrontend is running)

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loops:

i can make it turn to the price-is-right from the command line but not from myth ;o)

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siXy:

loops: v4l doesnt die on tuner CRC error, whereas the backend does, so it might well be worth having a look through the -comits

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siXy:

esp if you are using DVB tuners

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loops:

i don't think this old hauppauge is DVB...

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loops:

and what gets me is that this kernel, and this version of myth worked in a box that's sitting 6 inches away :)

[15:09:48]

loops:

but maybe some weird interaction with different kernel config..

[15:10:38]

loops:

siXy, the backend isn't dying.. do you still think updating myth is worth a try?

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wastrel:

hrmmmmmmm

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siXy:

loops, i dont know. its starting to sound less like tuner CRC error and more like some other issue which ive not come across before

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loops:

okay.. there is actually an error in the log

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loops:

ChannelBase: external tuning program exited with error 127

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loops:

looks like its trying to use an _external_ tuner ?

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loops:

TVRec(2) Error: Failed to set channel

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siXy:

external tuning program != external tuner

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loops:

okay

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wastrel:

today i learned that it is expected to see a single blink from the IR led when sending codes to the ir blaster

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loops:

wastrel, isn't that a bit strange.. shouldn't it look exactly the same as your remote ?

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loops:

but maybe that's good news.. maybe its just a matter of finding the correct config

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wastrel:

perhaps my remote sends multiple repeats of the code

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loops:

wastrel, right.. that makes some sense.

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siXy:

almost all remotes have a tendancy to send multiple repeats

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wastrel:

so i should try sending a string of repeats to the blaster

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wastrel:

and tweak the pause between them i guess

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siXy:

lirc has some error handling to filter out the duplicate presses – but doesnt alwys get em all

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wastrel:

i'm not sending to lirc

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siXy:

yes i know :)

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juski:

all remotes send out multiple transmissions of each key anyway – to ensure they're received

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wastrel:

it's depressing to get nothing from the cable box

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siXy:

IR is such a horrid way of transmitting data

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wastrel:

my rf/usb remote isn't terribly reliable either

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wastrel:

was easy to setup tho :]

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juski:

RF isn't any better. you can't beat the reliability of wires :)

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juski:

but I remember wired remotes.. yuck!

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wastrel:

could it be the frequency of the IR led?

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wastrel:

i am re-using one that worked for this cable box previously (from the replay)

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Dagmar:

I remember getting one's lazy ass off the couch to turn some knobs

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juski:

consumer IR works on a carrier freq. of approx 38khz mostly

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juski:

Dagmar: as soon as I could walk, my Dad had a remote control :-P

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Dagmar:

lol

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wastrel:

the other thing i'm thinking is to build a receiver and use irrecord to record the remote

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juski:

that'd prolly work if there aren't already any premade files

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wastrel:

i have a couple of files that supposedly work for other people

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juski:

have you confirmed the IR sender is actually doing stuff yet?

[15:26:26]

juski:

yet another use for a digital camera ;)

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wastrel:

yes i got that working last night

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wastrel:

i think i hadn't fixed the kernel serial driver properly before

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loops:

siXy, i deleted both tuners, and recreated them in mythtv-setup.. then ran filldatabase with --do-channel-updates and.... success!

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wastrel:

but it could have been a bad component in the circuit

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juski:

well, if your IR led flashes now that at least has eliminated a couple of unknowns :)

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wastrel:

yes

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wastrel:

also the red led flashes

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wastrel:

i have green and yellow too but haven't tried them

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loops:

shouldn't matter except for the color ;o)

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anykey_:

Is there a way to make channel changing faster with an ir transmitter? For me, myth changes channels like this: I select another channel, myth makes something, *now* the channel changer script runs and while it sends IR commands I see the STB changing channels...

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juski:

you can adjust the pauses in the ir changer script but that could affect reliability

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anykey_:

I don't have any pauses...

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anykey_:

I'm just doing irsend SEND_ONCE REMOTE 1 2 3 Ok, to change to channel 123

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anykey_:

it seems like myth is calling the channel changer script at the end of all...

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wastrel:

myth is always a bit behind "live" tv

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juski:

myth will probably kill the current recording process, then call the channel change script & start a new recording

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wastrel:

when i switch manually using my cable remote, it takes a couple of beats before the channel changes

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juski:

heh. I've tried recording various things in myth, thru the composite input of my pvr150 card & always find it's like 5 secs or more behind 'live'

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siXy:

same here

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siXy:

tho i dont actually use my pvr-150 anymore

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wastrel:

ah my encoder is pvr150 yes buti 'm using coax in :]

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Treito:

nabend

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Treito:

klappt bei einem mythdvd und stereo-wiedergabe? (MP2-format)

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Treito:

oh wrong language

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RyeBrye:

Anyone with any experience with coax crimping want to weigh in on if this tool looks like it's at least adequate? http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/display . . . number=95449

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Treito:

good evening, anbody succes using mythdvd and stereo-playback (mp2)?

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Treito:

!mp2

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Treito:

!mythdvd

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HalonChilled:

hey

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HalonChilled:

lejon, choppy, need aide?

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HalonChilled:

wrong window srry

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Dagmar:

Who the heck makes dvds with mp2 audio?

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Treito:

Dagmar, older recordings that wasn't broadcast with ac3

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Treito:

strange that could by another fault

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Dagmar:

Did you install mpeg2dec?

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Treito:

oh the DVD HAS AC3! it seems it selects a wrong track

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Treito:

i could also play the english MP2-track and the german AC3-track by manually selcting them

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I was pretty sure that all DVDs are required to have at least one ac3 audio stream, but I didn't feel like arguing the point

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Treito:

Dagmar, that's not the problem. it seems that he changes the AC3-track from German to English und adds a German MP2-track instead as Track 0, the first audio-track, very strange

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Treito:

he=it

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Treito:

Dagmar, do you know the program dvdwizard?

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Dagmar:

I never bother with that kind of stuff

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Dagmar:

Mainly, I use whatever came with the drive for free.

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Treito:

I see, now I use xvid instead

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loops:

sounds like you guys are talking windows....

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loops:

do you use myth from windows?

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Treito:

dvdwizard? that's linux

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loops:

oh.. thought xvid was windows tho

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Treito:

windows wasn't able to play a DVD without stuttering

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Treito:

xvid? that's a videocodec

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loops:

right.... i spose you can manage to make that work on linux

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Treito:

that's easy, a simple apt-get install

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Treito:

what's the name of the package? xvidcore or something like that

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Treito:

libxvidcore4 ;-)

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Treito:

hmm i think i need to manualley update mythtv since the debian-packages seems to be to old for trac

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xris:

Treito: it's not that hard to compile

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Treito:

xris, i know i did it in the early past, but i need the packages for my brother, so i have to build debian-packages with via-support

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Treito:

eventhough i found a workaround that could also help

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Treito:

playback via "viaXvMC" seems not to be needed anymore with a little trick and you also get colored osd

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sebrock:

I installed the frontend and the backend on two different machines. Now how do I go about to get the LCD on the frontend to work? Do I have to install anything on the backend?

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sebrock:

i.e all I have to do is install LCDproc on the frontend?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hi – i was asking on here yesterday if its possible to use jack as an audio output plugin, and somebody told me it was in general setup in mythfrontend – i cant find it, any ideas anybody?

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ah, found it on google

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Super_Cat_Frog:

hmm, it said change /dev/dsp to JACK, but that causees mythtv to output: 2007-06–28 18:56:24.133 Error opening audio device (JACK), the error was: No such file or directory

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loops:

Super_Cat_Frog, do you have a working Jack setup?

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laga:

Super_Cat_Frog: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/174236#174236

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laga:

enter "JACK:"

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Kevorkian:

well .. Super_Cat_Frog I am not famailer with your exact problem .. but if your replaceing /dev/dsp with something , that something should be able to look as if its a device

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Kevorkian:

I doubt its JUST "jack" you need to enter there

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Super_Cat_Frog:

ah, my bad, i didn't realise jack needed setting up

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kruuli:

any tip to reduce flickering in recordings?

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Kevorkian:

flickering ?

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Kevorkian:

please define your term

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sebrock:

could anybody point me in the right direction

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sebrock:

Is all I have to download to get the VFD to work LCDproc on the frontend machine?

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Kevorkian:

sebrock, there is a setting for that in the setup .. I dun remember where exactly

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Kevorkian:

but its like a whole page

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sebrock:

I know

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Kevorkian:

with "use LCD device"

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sebrock:

but I need to install LCDproc

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Kevorkian:

you might

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sebrock:

and that is all frontend?

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sebrock:

nothing on the backend?

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Kevorkian:

I know on my cobalts .. its just a device

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Kevorkian:

/dev/lcd or soemthign

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Kevorkian:

and i just point it to that

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kruuli:

Kevorkian the picture is jumpy and in 2 distorted layers sometime

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kruuli:

s

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kruuli:

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