| Thursday, June 21st, 2007, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:08] | kazan: | your hardware sucks |
| [00:00:13] | NightMonkey: | ben_goodger: Among other things, that makes duplicate checking a breeze. |
| [00:00:23] | ben_goodger: | NightMonkey: I see. |
| [00:00:29] | squish102: | kazan yip, 4 tv tuners later |
| [00:00:34] | NightMonkey: | squish102: Trying to install MythTV on a Kaypro? |
| [00:00:41] | NightMonkey: | ;) |
| [00:00:55] | kazan: | squish102: specify hardware, distro, etc |
| [00:01:02] | ben_goodger: | myth is a missed opportunity in general, imo... how many people develop it? |
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| [00:01:12] | ** kazan is running FC5, with a PVR-150, a PVR-500 and a KWorld ATSC-110 ** | |
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| [00:01:30] | NightMonkey: | ben_goodger: Missed by who? |
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| [00:01:48] | squish102: | kazan mythdora backend/ mythdora frontend pvr-150, ati hdtv wonder |
| [00:01:51] | NightMonkey: | kazan: Tried MythDora? |
| [00:01:53] | kazan: | i've always seen Zap2it's "no comercial clients!" thing to be a hinderance to mythTV's success because it prevents people selling prebuilds w/ support |
| [00:02:02] | kazan: | NightMonkey: nope |
| [00:02:05] | Bouchecl: | FC6, PVR150 PVR500, Sci Atl 2200, IR blaster |
| [00:02:09] | ** kazan compiles from SVN ** | |
| [00:02:24] | ** kazan was slaving a cable box for a while too ** | |
| [00:02:41] | squish102: | kazan problems with different recording levels among tuner cards/dvd ripping/web streaming etc being the one i am working on now |
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| [00:02:45] | NightMonkey: | kazan: Nothing preventing businesses from doing business with the data providers themselves, and writing a bit of code to grab and parse the data. |
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| [00:03:05] | kazan: | NightMonkey: yeah there is... the nasty freaking mess it is |
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| [00:03:15] | kazan: | NightMonkey: zap2it is aggregating data from dozens of sources |
| [00:03:25] | ben_goodger: | NightMonkey: missed by the devs. if it were tidier, let's say, it'd be more accessible |
| [00:03:44] | NightMonkey: | kazan: And they have a for-pay service, too. |
| [00:03:48] | squish102: | i wonder if there could be a p2p solution to this |
| [00:03:59] | NightMonkey: | ... |
| [00:04:13] | Bouchecl: | Delivery of the data is not the problem. It's getting the data... |
| [00:04:25] | NightMonkey: | The problem is that the data collection and presentation takes human effort. |
| [00:04:51] | ben_goodger: | I'm talking about the program |
| [00:05:08] | squish102: | so out of interest, how do other countries get their data? similar company to zap2it? |
| [00:05:14] | NightMonkey: | xmltv |
| [00:05:20] | timmyhuntington: | scrape |
| [00:05:21] | Bouchecl: | ...scraping |
| [00:05:21] | dansmith: | a p2p solution is illegal, right? distributing the screen-scraped data is not allowed, right? |
| [00:05:37] | squish102: | dansmith u probably right |
| [00:05:42] | ben_goodger: | dansmith: it's copyright infringement, afaik, yes, in most countries |
| [00:06:06] | dansmith: | if not, it would be easy for one dev per locale to maintain a scaper for the best data source and provide listings for that area, aggregated at a higher level |
| [00:06:12] | dansmith: | but you'd be breaking copyright law there |
| [00:06:27] | Scopeuk_: | hmm distributign the scraper whould be legal though |
| [00:06:33] | dansmith: | true |
| [00:06:34] | Scopeuk_: | or if the scraper was cleint side |
| [00:06:44] | dansmith: | you could have a library of scrapers, which pulled from the best source for a given locale |
| [00:06:45] | timmyhuntington: | that's how xmltv works |
| [00:06:46] | Scopeuk_: | rearly ad examl java script |
| [00:06:52] | NightMonkey: | xmltv was the way North American users got data before datadirect/zap2it. |
| [00:06:53] | Scopeuk_: | yes |
| [00:06:54] | ** dansmith doesn't know anything about xmltv ** | |
| [00:07:06] | Scopeuk_: | xmltv can be a nightmare but when it works is pretty good |
| [00:07:09] | timmyhuntington: | http://xmltv.org |
| [00:07:18] | ** Scopeuk_ is a uk user no alternatiev ** | |
| [00:08:12] | kazan: | xmltv tv_grab_na is unsupported |
| [00:08:27] | timmyhuntington: | because tv_grab_na_dd replaced it |
| [00:08:27] | dansmith: | yea, it'll have to get supported real quick :) |
| [00:08:40] | Scopeuk_: | with direct data goign away it will eb come suported agai nid guess |
| [00:08:46] | Scopeuk_: | there wil lcertainly be pressure for it |
| [00:09:03] | NightMonkey: | What would rock for me would be if Echostar/Dish Network provided XML feeds. But, perhaps they buy their listings from a middleman, too? |
| [00:09:10] | squish102: | i think google should step up now and show support to the open source comunity ;) |
| [00:09:28] | hads: | Man this subject gets old quickly. |
| [00:09:29] | dansmith: | squish102: I don't think that will happen by 9/1 |
| [00:09:37] | timmyhuntington: | NightMonkey: I'd assume they probably buy from a middleman |
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| [00:10:07] | deniidil: | grr |
| [00:10:09] | deniidil: | fsck()ing dsl |
| [00:10:13] | Scopeuk_: | hads yup but its fun to muse |
| [00:10:17] | deniidil: | <kazan> WAF is going to be very low when i break the news to her |
| [00:10:30] | deniidil: | when i first build the box wife was like "mmeehhh" |
| [00:10:34] | deniidil: | she has three times the recording schedules as me |
| [00:11:06] | squish102: | u lucky, my wife was... "put that on DVD so i can watch it" |
| [00:11:21] | timmyhuntington: | I think the echostar guides for a while even had the data listed as being copyright Tribune Media Services |
| [00:11:22] | jthunt: | I just talked my wife into switching from the cable company's DVR... and I have the hardware ordered... DOH! |
| [00:11:47] | deniidil: | well... DD doesn't go kersplat until sept |
| [00:11:53] | deniidil: | by then a solution will probably be worked out |
| [00:11:54] | dansmith: | jthunt: that's better than having to undo 3 years of training :) |
| [00:12:02] | jthunt: | true |
| [00:12:06] | squish102: | lol |
| [00:12:09] | timmyhuntington: | yeah, i wouldn't panic until then |
| [00:12:22] | jthunt: | with as many users as their are, I am sure some type of solution will come about |
| [00:12:35] | jthunt: | if I have to, I will just hack together my own scraper. |
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| [00:13:24] | NightMonkey: | jthunt: Then, give it to xmltv once you're done, please. ;) |
| [00:14:12] | jthunt: | its going to be in PHP if I do it... XMLTV uses perl |
| [00:14:18] | dansmith: | man, the ubuntu package for xmltv doesn't even have tv_grab_na |
| [00:14:38] | jthunt: | nope... it was related by tv_grab_na_dd a while ago |
| [00:14:57] | dansmith: | I figured the base one would still be there, though |
| [00:15:27] | jthunt: | nope... because people stopped working on it... even if you find out, it will not work |
| [00:15:33] | jthunt: | err find one |
| [00:16:00] | dansmith: | yea, but I figured it would be worth a look for ideas and/or to pull it up to working status |
| [00:16:23] | jthunt: | true... I am sure if you search around, you can find an old copy |
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| [00:20:49] | squish102: | some things in this world should be free |
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| [00:33:30] | mankitty: | Hello, I am having a problem with mythdvd and importing dvds |
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| [00:38:58] | mike3_: | I got a really really strange problem. Volume UP and Volume Down work fine under mythtv when playing livetv. However, under MythVideo,MythMusic, and Mplayer. VolUp and VolDown do not work. Anyone have a clue why???????? |
| [00:39:46] | t0ny-p40: | Any one hear about zap2it stopping their support fro mythtv!?!?!? http://labs.zap2it.com/ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01-1,00.html |
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| [00:40:39] | ben_goodger: | t0ny-p40: if by "hear about" you mean "make only subject of discussion for the entire evening", then yes |
| [00:41:15] | Sedorox: | and the mailing list |
| [00:43:15] | mikeones: | someone needs to adjust the channel topic. ;) |
| [00:44:39] | t0ny-p40: | This sucks. |
| [00:44:53] | mike3_: | weird thing is the right codes are under my lircd.conf. If i'm doing a irw it matches the configs in my lircd.conf file.. It's weird, why wouldn't MythVideo be able to reconize my volume buttons and everything else except volume buttons???????? |
| [00:44:55] | mike3_: | i'm lost |
| [00:44:58] | mike3_: | makes no sense to me |
| [00:45:05] | t0ny-p40: | How hard would it be to write a program to use ocr to watch the tv guide channel? |
| [00:47:52] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: you need configs for *all* of your media players in your ~/.lircrc file, not just for MythTV |
| [00:48:00] | mankitty: | Could anyone help me with the mythdvd plugin? I am having a problem ripping the dvds. I get an error "no jobs and nothing else to do. You could hit 0 to rip a dvd" even though I just created a job. |
| [00:48:27] | Dagmar: | t0ny-p40: Maddeningly |
| [00:49:24] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, I have ~/.lircrc file there |
| [00:49:41] | mike3_: | which is meant to control mplayer |
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| [00:49:58] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: and do you have specific configs for mplayer? (with prog=mplayer) |
| [00:50:12] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, yes |
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| [00:50:25] | mike3_: | i only have for mplayer in that file |
| [00:50:44] | mike3_: | mythtvideo should work with the ~/.mythtv/lircrc file or whatever it's called which I have |
| [00:51:11] | mike3_: | and it doesn't |
| [00:51:16] | mike3_: | but live tv volup and down work |
| [00:51:19] | mike3_: | it's only the volume buttons |
| [00:51:29] | mike3_: | makes no sense the Mythtv livetv works, but not mythvideo |
| [00:51:32] | mike3_: | it reads the same file |
| [00:51:45] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: are you using mplayer for MythVideo, or the Internal player? |
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| [00:54:16] | mike3_: | for mythvideo I'm using mplayer |
| [00:54:22] | mike3_: | did I say mythvideo above? |
| [00:54:33] | mike3_: | I meant mythmusic reads the same file as mythtv live tc |
| [00:54:34] | mike3_: | tv |
| [00:57:20] | mikeones: | If I have two NTSC capture cards in the same backend can I use the same DD lineup or does each card need a seprate lineup? |
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| [00:59:08] | mike3_: | makes completely no sense |
| [00:59:09] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: if you run mplayer from the command line, does volume control work using the remote? |
| [00:59:35] | mike3_: | sec |
| [00:59:39] | mike3_: | i will tell you |
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| [01:05:28] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, no it doesn't work |
| [01:05:37] | mike3_: | when I push the volume button it just shows me the current volume |
| [01:05:43] | mike3_: | but doesn't actual move the vol up or down |
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| [01:06:48] | jroysdon: | I ran low on disk space, and now I see: SQL Error: Table './mythconverg/oldrecorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired [#145] |
| [01:06:48] | jroysdon: | Any ideas? |
| [01:07:06] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, every other button works |
| [01:07:09] | rogue780: | what is the plan for US users after september? has there been any discussion of this matter? |
| [01:07:09] | mike3_: | that i have programmed |
| [01:07:27] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: what commands do you have the vol+ and vol- buttons assigned to in the mplayer config |
| [01:07:32] | rogue780: | http://labs.zap2it.com/ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01-1,00.html |
| [01:07:57] | mike3_: | config= volume 1 and config= volume -1 |
| [01:09:48] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, is this right? |
| [01:10:00] | mike3_: | shuld be as this config hasn't changed. maybe something with mplayer?? |
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| [01:15:25] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: it looks good (I don't use mplayer though, but it agrees with the commandlist) |
| [01:15:37] | abarbaccia: | so what does every1 think about zap2it shutting down? |
| [01:15:44] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, yah I have no idea why the heck this isn't work |
| [01:15:49] | mike3_: | next thing to do is rebuild mplayer |
| [01:16:11] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: what happens if you update your lircrc so that vol- is assigned to 9, and vol+ assigned to 0, rather than the vol commands? |
| [01:16:28] | mike3_: | i haven't bothered to be honest |
| [01:16:44] | mike3_: | i think i will goof with this tomorrow at this point.. |
| [01:16:50] | mike3_: | Makes no sense. |
| [01:17:04] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: that would emulate the keyboard, rather than the mplayer command name |
| [01:17:08] | mike3_: | irw and lircd.conf agree with the button assigned for volup and voldown |
| [01:17:13] | mike3_: | live tv in myth works perfect |
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| [01:17:52] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: post your lircrc and lircd.conf to pastebin.ca |
| [01:18:04] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: i'll take a quick look |
| [01:18:46] | mike3_: | alright |
| [01:19:30] | de-v: | i use ] and [ in my lircrc config for Vol+ and Vol- |
| [01:20:16] | mike3_: | http://pastebin.ca/580308 |
| [01:20:56] | mike3_: | de-v, what do you have set for repeat ?? |
| [01:21:02] | de-v: | 3 |
| [01:21:15] | mike3_: | sec trying |
| [01:22:05] | mike3_: | dont' work |
| [01:22:38] | de-v: | chris@siegfried ~/.mythtv $ grep Vol /etc/lircd.conf |
| [01:22:39] | de-v: | Vol- 0x00000000000017D1 |
| [01:22:39] | de-v: | Vol+ 0x00000000000017D0 |
| [01:22:47] | de-v: | thats why i use Vol-/Vol+ in ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [01:23:11] | mike3_: | no i tried the [ and ] |
| [01:23:13] | mike3_: | don't work |
| [01:23:17] | RyeBrye: | jroysdon – fix your mysql thing yet: |
| [01:23:18] | RyeBrye: | ? |
| [01:23:24] | de-v: | even on your keyboard? |
| [01:23:38] | RyeBrye: | jroysdon – you need to free up some disk space, and then you need to run the MySQL repair – it's probably not too hard |
| [01:23:53] | de-v: | myisamcheck or whatever |
| [01:24:04] | de-v: | its rather painless as long as nothing serious is wrong :) |
| [01:24:14] | mike3_: | button = VolUp |
| [01:24:14] | mike3_: | button = VolDown |
| [01:24:14] | mike3_: | VolDown 0x00007bee |
| [01:24:14] | mike3_: | VolUp 0x00007bef |
| [01:24:17] | mike3_: | I have those right |
| [01:24:19] | mike3_: | makes no sense to me |
| [01:24:28] | RyeBrye: | jroysdon – usually it just marks it as corrupt and it doesn't mean anything – but if it is corrupt that can be a problem... mostly the check just unmarks it as corrupt |
| [01:24:53] | mike3_: | weird thing is when I press the volup or voldown Mplayer displays the volume bar but nothing happens |
| [01:24:56] | de-v: | mike3_ : and you sure them's the codes? got it from irw? |
| [01:25:25] | mike3_: | 000000037ff07bee 02 VolDown mceusb |
| [01:25:25] | mike3_: | 000000037ff07bef 00 VolUp mceusb |
| [01:25:29] | mike3_: | that' irw |
| [01:25:32] | mike3_: | that's irw\ |
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| [01:25:57] | de-v: | what you pasted from lircd.conf doesnt look like it matches? |
| [01:26:44] | mike3_: | they never do exactly match, it just matches those characters to whatever it outputs even if it's more or not. It sees that string in there and associates it to the button |
| [01:28:15] | de-v: | hrm.. well i just took the numbers right out of irw tossed them into lircd.conf and they been working for years |
| [01:28:19] | de-v: | so i dunno ;\ |
| [01:28:40] | de-v: | but that might not even be your prob :) |
| [01:28:46] | knowledgejunkie: | de-v: you need lircd.conf before you can use irw |
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| [01:29:15] | mike3_: | Put it this way. I had this harddrive in another computer. Now it's in this computer and it's the exact same scripts |
| [01:29:22] | mike3_: | so I have no idea why it's not working now |
| [01:29:27] | mike3_: | volume works in Live TV |
| [01:29:31] | mike3_: | Don't ask me why it does |
| [01:29:54] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: mythtv and mplayer are 2 different programs requiring 2 different sets of LIRC configs in your lircrc file(s) |
| [01:30:14] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, I understand that |
| [01:30:17] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: if you use the internal player for mythvideo instead of mplayer you won't have this problem |
| [01:30:19] | mike3_: | explain mythmusic then |
| [01:30:31] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: I don't think anyone can... |
| [01:30:37] | RyeBrye: | lol |
| [01:30:38] | mike3_: | exactly... |
| [01:30:46] | mike3_: | These are the EXACT same config scripts |
| [01:30:49] | mike3_: | nothing has changed. |
| [01:30:54] | mike3_: | these were the working ones I used for months |
| [01:30:58] | mike3_: | now I get this |
| [01:31:02] | mike3_: | I have no idea why |
| [01:32:02] | mike3_: | i've rebuilt my entire packages |
| [01:32:04] | mike3_: | so |
| [01:32:07] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: mythmusic should still use the [ and ] keybindings |
| [01:32:19] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, where do I set mythmusic stuff? |
| [01:32:34] | mike3_: | does mythmusic use mplayer? |
| [01:32:39] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: use the key binding editor in frontend setup |
| [01:32:47] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: no it doesn't |
| [01:32:51] | mike3_: | i didn't think so |
| [01:32:56] | mike3_: | key binding editor |
| [01:32:57] | mike3_: | ??? |
| [01:32:58] | mike3_: | where is that |
| [01:33:11] | knowledgejunkie: | main menu -> setup -> edit keys |
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| [01:34:32] | mike3_: | don't have that |
| [01:34:37] | mike3_: | is that part of mythcontrols ?? |
| [01:34:56] | knowledgejunkie: | what version of MythTV are you running? |
| [01:35:22] | mike3_: | sec |
| [01:36:24] | wireddd: | so when are my zap2it listings going to stop working? |
| [01:36:36] | mike3_: | 0.20.1_p13344 |
| [01:37:21] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: do you have mythcontrols installed? |
| [01:37:26] | mike3_: | no i don't |
| [01:37:30] | mike3_: | i'd imagine I need those |
| [01:37:33] | knowledgejunkie: | yup |
| [01:37:34] | mike3_: | what will this do for me? |
| [01:37:54] | knowledgejunkie: | allow you to configure your keys in the MythTV GUI |
| [01:38:02] | RyeBrye: | http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/answer.py?answer=30312 Google is hiring a TV technology engineer... |
| [01:38:20] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, butr the volume buttons work fine in recordings and livetv |
| [01:38:26] | mike3_: | that's what i don't get |
| [01:38:49] | knowledgejunkie: | in mythmusic, do the [ and ] keys work? |
| [01:40:31] | mike3_: | no |
| [01:40:41] | mike3_: | jus t shows the vol bar |
| [01:40:43] | mike3_: | nothing else |
| [01:40:46] | mikeones: | does mythweb/modules/video/scan.php check for avi's to play in mythweb? |
| [01:40:59] | SteveWrightNZ: | http://www.stuff.co.nz/4103247a4560.html lol |
| [01:41:33] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: what about F10 and F11 ( or { and } ) |
| [01:41:38] | RyeBrye: | Screen scraping to get episode data requires a HTTP request for EVERY SINGLE episode listed... so if you have 80 channels, and half of the programs in the guide are 30 minutes and half are 1 hour – that is 1440 HTTP requests for only 1 day of data |
| [01:42:19] | de-v: | math omg brainsplode |
| [01:42:27] | RyeBrye: | and if you multiply that by 14 to get the data from 14 days... that's over 20160 HTTP requests to get the guide data for 14 days |
| [01:42:45] | RyeBrye: | and if you figure that you will have several hundred users doing this on a given day... |
| [01:42:47] | RyeBrye: | That's nuts |
| [01:43:05] | SteveWrightNZ: | no thats DEATH |
| [01:43:14] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, no |
| [01:43:36] | mike3_: | rebuild mythtv ? |
| [01:43:44] | RyeBrye: | make distclean |
| [01:43:48] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: what is your music output device set to in mythmusic setup? |
| [01:43:52] | RyeBrye: | be sure to rebuild the mythcontrol plgin or whatever |
| [01:45:05] | mike3_: | default |
| [01:45:16] | GreyFoxx: | RyeBrye: Hundred? No, many, many thousands users doing it |
| [01:45:16] | RyeBrye: | imagine for a second 1,000 users sending 20,160 HTTP requests per day to get the data from a given listings site... |
| [01:45:34] | RyeBrye: | yeah, how many thousands? |
| [01:45:48] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: and your mythtv audio output device? |
| [01:45:50] | GreyFoxx: | many :) |
| [01:46:01] | RyeBrye: | Lets lowball it – 3,000 users per day |
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| [01:46:08] | GreyFoxx: | hahaha not even close :) |
| [01:46:19] | de-v: | GreyFoxx : is there any userdata on total number of mythtv users? |
| [01:46:29] | RyeBrye: | Still – 3,000 users would give you 60,480,000 HTTP requests per day |
| [01:46:37] | RyeBrye: | that's a hell of a lot of bandwidth |
| [01:46:37] | wastrel: | ah it's been a looong time since i've messed around with electronics components :] |
| [01:46:40] | Dagmar: | Enoujgh to make Slashdot jealous |
| [01:46:48] | wastrel: | trying to figure out this db9 port housing |
| [01:47:11] | GreyFoxx: | we are awaiting specifics from zap2it, but we have arough number, of course that's only NA users |
| [01:47:18] | mike3_: | /dev/dsp |
| [01:47:21] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, |
| [01:47:32] | de-v: | GreyFoxx : a rough number? nice. any hint? :) |
| [01:47:43] | RyeBrye: | Well, if it's 10,000 users – you would be hitting a server with over 1 billion HTTP requests per day |
| [01:47:49] | RyeBrye: | that's a lot |
| [01:47:58] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: yup? |
| [01:48:22] | RyeBrye: | Actually, 10k users gives you 2,016,00,000 http hits per day |
| [01:48:28] | RyeBrye: | roughly |
| [01:48:31] | GreyFoxx: | no hints until we have thge specific number |
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| [01:48:34] | RyeBrye: | and that's for only 80 channel lineups |
| [01:48:42] | kazan: | i really want to kill my POS dsl |
| [01:48:44] | mike3_: | knowledgejunkie, /dev/dsp |
| [01:48:52] | de-v: | GreyFoxx : aww i just want a hint about the rough number :) hehe i wont hold you to it |
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| [01:49:20] | kazan: | devs get a ballpark number of how many mythtv subscribers there are in datadirect? |
| [01:49:31] | RyeBrye: | Devs have special powers |
| [01:49:39] | RyeBrye: | They can make commercials disappear |
| [01:49:45] | kazan: | oh.. if we're going to have to pay for listings in the future.. make sure out ccounts can do multiple lineups :D |
| [01:49:47] | de-v: | maybe measured by how many backends accept the filldatabase recommedned time |
| [01:49:54] | kazan: | commflag + hd content = the loose |
| [01:50:21] | abarbaccia: | i just talked to someone at tribune media — because i was seeing if i can't have them setup a corporate account under MonolithMC — and it's very expensive |
| [01:50:39] | RyeBrye: | How very is very? |
| [01:50:45] | de-v: | BillLIONZ |
| [01:50:51] | RyeBrye: | $10k / mo? $100k / mo? |
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| [01:51:44] | jams: | vacation has started! |
| [01:52:33] | knowledgejunkie: | mike3_: I use ALSA, so I'm not sure. You do need to check you have keybindings set up for MythMusic though, if you don't it won't work |
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| [01:54:59] | wireddd: | kazan: I really hope they do |
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| [02:14:38] | wastrel: | yikes ok i built myself an IR blaster |
| [02:14:44] | wastrel: | now to see if i can get it working |
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| [02:38:52] | achew22: | did you ever get an answer for how much a corporate one would be? |
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| [02:42:52] | mikeones: | if I have two SD cards can I use the same zap2it lineup? |
| [02:43:00] | achew22: | mike3_, yes |
| [02:43:06] | achew22: | oops |
| [02:43:15] | achew22: | mikeones, yes, provided they are using the same source |
| [02:43:22] | achew22: | i.e. the same cable line |
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| [02:44:23] | dan2: | my mythfrontend is crashing saying it can't detect X devices while I have several other X applications working just fine |
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| [02:44:45] | achew22: | dan2, what is the exact error |
| [02:44:56] | dan2: | Xlib: extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ":1.0". |
| [02:44:56] | dan2: | Failed to get list of devices |
| [02:45:11] | achew22: | do you want to use display :1 |
| [02:45:13] | dan2: | yes |
| [02:45:17] | dan2: | it's a Virtual Framebuffer |
| [02:45:20] | dan2: | it has not input devices |
| [02:45:26] | dan2: | no |
| [02:45:30] | achew22: | ooh.. nice |
| [02:45:41] | duende: | Help: I just had a quick question. My mthtv output colors are way off. After someone searching, i found on the wiki regarding ATi driver and "smurf" effect. Would this still be the case if i'm viewing it on a remote system through mythfrontend? |
| [02:45:42] | achew22: | google the error I'll bet google has info on it |
| [02:46:12] | achew22: | duende, does the computer your on have an ATI card? |
| [02:46:29] | duende: | achew22: the computer i'm viewing on has an ATi card, the computer with the backend is nvidia |
| [02:46:52] | achew22: | duende, does the backend play it without the color thing |
| [02:46:58] | duende: | achew22: yes |
| [02:47:02] | duende: | looks fine |
| [02:47:19] | achew22: | it may be the case — however I don't own any ATI cards so I'm not the person to talk to |
| [02:47:29] | achew22: | if you'd like I'm willing to look it up though |
| [02:47:47] | duende: | i'm using ubuntu binary install. there is a fix for it on the wiki, but it requires recompiling |
| [02:47:59] | duende: | just wanted to make sure it was the case |
| [02:48:00] | achew22: | duende, thats not hard at all |
| [02:48:15] | duende: | i'll try it out and see, i'll post back when i find out :) |
| [02:48:19] | achew22: | duende, worst case scenario — you compile it and it runs faster and it still works the same |
| [02:48:36] | wastrel: | heh i have such a crappy TV i didn't expect to have a problem with output quality but it's not so good |
| [02:48:42] | wastrel: | i need to play around with that too :p |
| [02:48:58] | mikeones: | achew22: thanks |
| [02:49:00] | achew22: | wastrel, whats your output method |
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| [02:49:13] | achew22: | mikeones, did that help? |
| [02:49:18] | achew22: | Hello kormoc! |
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| [02:49:54] | wastrel: | achew22: it's pretty ugly itself. I have composite out via nvidia, that goes to the RF modulator that converts it to coax because my TV only has coax in. |
| [02:50:48] | achew22: | wastrel, you pobably would get a better picture by actualy hand drawing each frame with stick figures then flipbooking them with the sound on thats what I'd do |
| [02:51:25] | wastrel: | i suppose i should get a card with coax out? |
| [02:51:29] | wastrel: | do such things exist? |
| [02:51:34] | achew22: | wastrel, I don't think so.... |
| [02:51:42] | achew22: | you may want to get a garage sale tv... |
| [02:51:45] | Dagmar: | You could buy a TV that is worth more than your floppy drive |
| [02:51:48] | achew22: | spring cleaning = deals |
| [02:51:54] | Dagmar: | craigslist == deals |
| [02:51:57] | achew22: | lol |
| [02:52:14] | Dagmar: | THis is really like putting gold spinners on a Yugo |
| [02:52:17] | achew22: | I was setting spring cleaning = to deals, Dagmar was comparing them |
| [02:52:24] | Dagmar: | The PC running myth cost how much more than the TV? |
| [02:52:38] | Dagmar: | achew22: No, I'm just using math notation |
| [02:52:52] | Dagmar: | == is 'exactly equals' |
| [02:53:10] | achew22: | yes — yes |
| [02:53:20] | achew22: | Dagmar, you know how cool a yugo with golden spinners would look ;) |
| [02:53:21] | wastrel: | the TV was free |
| [02:53:22] | kormoc_: | unless you are in php, then you use === |
| [02:53:31] | wastrel: | so i dunno. |
| [02:53:36] | Dagmar: | Leave it to the PHP developers |
| [02:53:44] | achew22: | kormoc_, why is it ===? |
| [02:53:46] | wastrel: | and the pc is doing other things, print server file server, mail server :] |
| [02:54:02] | kormoc_: | achew22, == is equals, === is exactly without casting |
| [02:54:07] | achew22: | ah |
| [02:54:14] | Dagmar: | Wow they actually had a point to that |
| [02:54:16] | achew22: | i should use === more |
| [02:54:34] | Dagmar: | "without casting" i.e., "non-judgementally" ;) |
| [02:54:41] | kormoc_: | 0 == FALSE, 0 !== FALSE |
| [02:54:54] | kormoc_: | (and yes !== is valid php :P) |
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| [02:55:00] | achew22: | whoa |
| [02:55:11] | achew22: | kormoc_, whats with the _ why not use nickserv to kill ghosts |
| [02:55:21] | kormoc_: | cause I didn't notice |
| [02:55:23] | Dagmar: | I'm betting they're probably still sedating the guy who wrote the bit that parses that as different from != and == |
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| [02:55:53] | Dagmar: | Well, time for me to go get some coffee and see if the FBI calls. |
| [02:56:09] | achew22: | Dagmar, is this the usual time they call? |
| [02:56:15] | Dagmar: | Thankfuly, no |
| [02:56:33] | achew22: | is there a reason they are calling or are you being silly? |
| [02:56:36] | Dagmar: | I just had to send 'em a tip off about some moron contractor apparently working for a state gov't leaving an asston of people's personal data exposed online |
| [02:56:50] | Dagmar: | ...and I think it's definitely a metric asston this time |
| [02:56:57] | achew22: | lol |
| [02:57:07] | kormoc: | woah, metric means so much more! |
| [02:57:15] | achew22: | .25 x more |
| [02:57:29] | wastrel: | the picture was better coming from the replay and that was going through the RF modulator, so i think i must be able to play with it a bit |
| [02:57:44] | Dagmar: | Yes, jumping craploads as opposed to galloping craploads |
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| [02:58:07] | achew22: | is a assload more than a crapload? |
| [02:58:22] | Dagmar: | Of course |
| [02:58:28] | Dagmar: | THats' why asstons are measured in craploads. |
| [02:58:34] | achew22: | does anyone in here watch Penn And Teller's Bullshit? The numbers episode is amazing |
| [02:58:57] | ** Dagmar admires the skid marks left by that seque ** | |
| [03:00:27] | pike_: | so.. is mythtv dead yet? |
| [03:00:32] | ** pike_ checks his watch ** | |
| [03:00:35] | russellb: | o.O |
| [03:00:38] | kormoc: | pike_, why would it be dead? |
| [03:00:55] | achew22: | even without labs.zap2it we still have the non US users |
| [03:01:10] | Dagmar: | 'cuz slashdot trolls posted it so it muzt be troo! |
| [03:01:11] | kormoc: | and screen-scraping... |
| [03:01:28] | achew22: | I think someone will fill the hole |
| [03:02:36] | pike_: | i didnt read slash i just saw everyone moaning here earlier :) |
| [03:02:48] | hads: | *yawn* |
| [03:03:00] | ** Dagmar keens in mock despair ** | |
| [03:03:05] | achew22: | what is Andrew Barraca going to do he sold myth as a product... |
| [03:04:25] | kormoc: | get bitched out for helping to kill zap2it? |
| [03:04:32] | russellb: | seriously ... |
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| [03:07:19] | SteveWrightNZ: | product, lol... diiiiie ]8-> |
| [03:07:40] | Dagmar: | So much for LinuxMCE or Proton or whatever it was called |
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| [03:07:50] | mchou: | achew22: lol, he probably has 2 'customers' |
| [03:10:30] | achew22: | mchou, probably but it sucks to be them |
| [03:10:41] | achew22: | they were expecting a lifetime of listings |
| [03:11:23] | mchou: | achew22: I doubt it. I'm almost certain Barraca had some 'fine print' in the contract |
| [03:11:40] | mchou: | an escape clause |
| [03:11:55] | mchou: | he'd be a fool not to have it |
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| [03:28:28] | de-v: | channel scanning still broke in -fixes with hdhomerun? |
| [03:30:31] | de-v: | get "timeout scanning qam-256 channel 2/3/4 — no tables" |
| [03:30:36] | de-v: | when it tries to scan |
| [03:30:57] | wastrel: | mmm |
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| [03:39:39] | sandeen_: | so without going on the zap2it freakout... you're supposed to generally be able to get listings off digital cable from some sort of substream or other, right... |
| [03:39:53] | sandeen_: | is there some standalone tool that can pull this down? I wonder if I even get it |
| [03:42:12] | squidly: | sandeen_: I think it will have to head back to screen scrapeing of the data |
| [03:42:32] | squidly: | though if the providers like comcrap and WOW would just make a listing for us that would be even better |
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| [03:42:58] | wastrel: | or read tvguide and type it in |
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| [03:43:09] | squidly: | wastrel: that works too |
| [03:43:09] | sandeen_: | hmm I swear I read that you could get programming data off the cable itself. |
| [03:43:11] | sandeen_: | guess I'll google. |
| [03:43:27] | wastrel: | you can, there's an acronym |
| [03:43:32] | wastrel: | i don't think myth does it currently |
| [03:43:36] | cesman: | VBI |
| [03:43:38] | achew22: | EIT? |
| [03:43:55] | cesman: | EIT is via DVB |
| [03:44:04] | squidly: | wastrel: I dont think you can get that with out haveing digital cable |
| [03:44:04] | sandeen_: | that's what I was thinking of |
| [03:44:14] | sandeen_: | anything standalone to read that stuff...? |
| [03:44:34] | cesman: | continue your your Google quest.... |
| [03:44:39] | ** sandeen_ sees the don't panic icon on the wiki ;-) ** | |
| [03:44:53] | squidly: | sandeen_: rember the guide. Dont Panic :D |
| [03:45:23] | wastrel: | there's no config for my cable box in the remotes tarball |
| [03:45:25] | wastrel: | :[ |
| [03:45:35] | squidly: | :( |
| [03:45:50] | sandeen_: | Even many modern digital televisions can have a program guide by gathering and storing EIT. |
| [03:45:54] | sandeen_: | sounds good to me |
| [03:46:01] | cesman: | wastrel: make one and share it |
| [03:46:04] | mikeones: | I have been working off http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Channel_Editor and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XMLTV_ID |
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| [04:08:19] | clever: | Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 'MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 34': |
| [04:09:30] | wastrel: | is there a command to pull up the grid/program guide |
| [04:09:47] | wastrel: | m gets a menu , is there a way to skip that part and go direct to the guide? |
| [04:10:00] | Dagmar: | Umm... by pushing the buttons? |
| [04:10:16] | Dagmar: | Look under MythControls |
| [04:12:35] | Beirdo: | OK, bot reboot time |
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| [04:13:03] | xris: | clever: still version mismatch |
| [04:13:18] | clever: | xris: and yet it worked 5mins ago |
| [04:13:23] | clever: | and i didnt change the version of either end |
| [04:13:57] | ** clever slaps the spaming MythLogBot ** | |
| [04:14:10] | xris: | clever: something must have changed |
| [04:14:14] | Dagmar: | It only does that because it wuvs you |
| [04:14:23] | clever: | its a random error i think |
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| [04:17:05] | Beirdo: | now THAT was nasty :) |
| [04:17:18] | Beirdo: | clever: it doesn't spam |
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| [04:17:39] | clever: | Beirdo: it sent me the on join notice when it joined:P |
| [04:17:44] | Beirdo: | heh, it just sends out a notice once in a while, and with the privacy laws in Europe.... |
| [04:17:59] | clever: | ahh lol |
| [04:18:10] | clever: | i log 24/7 in everything but there private logs |
| [04:18:32] | Beirdo: | if I didn't notify, at some point someone WILL complain (and rightfully so) that they weren't warned, etc. |
| [04:18:59] | clever: | what about the fact that they are warned at every join?:P |
| [04:19:00] | Beirdo: | yeah, my client logs 24/7 too, but as you say, those are private logs |
| [04:19:16] | Beirdo: | it's not every join actually |
| [04:19:28] | Beirdo: | it's limited to a max of once per 24h |
| [04:19:51] | clever: | ahhh |
| [04:19:58] | Sid`: | i've got it on ignore |
| [04:19:58] | clever: | but that should be enough i think:P |
| [04:20:04] | clever: | lol |
| [04:20:06] | Beirdo: | it should be |
| [04:20:13] | Beirdo: | Sid`, your choice :) |
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| [04:21:47] | Beirdo: | anyways, tomorrow is another day, and another new plugin... that xris requested a year ago now |
| [04:21:59] | clever: | lol |
| [04:22:02] | xris: | woot |
| [04:22:12] | Beirdo: | been cranking them out lately. :) |
| [04:22:16] | clever: | which plugin? |
| [04:22:40] | Beirdo: | for URLs... like !url wiki to return the URL of the wiki |
| [04:22:45] | xris: | Sid`: if it's ignored, you can't search, etc |
| [04:22:55] | clever: | ahh |
| [04:23:16] | Sid`: | xris: ah, point; |
| [04:23:17] | clever: | well he can search he just cant see results:P |
| [04:23:24] | Sid`: | i dunno what it does other than remind me it's logging |
| [04:23:28] | Beirdo: | heh, yeah |
| [04:23:35] | clever: | are searches returned public or via notice? |
| [04:23:37] | Beirdo: | it logs, lets you search the logs, etc |
| [04:23:49] | Beirdo: | searches are returned by privmsg only |
| [04:24:09] | clever: | you could put a notice based ignore on the bot to hide the welcome msgs |
| [04:24:14] | clever: | and searches thru pm will still work |
| [04:24:21] | Beirdo: | true |
| [04:24:31] | clever: | under /uwho you can go to control->ignore and edit the ignore |
| [04:25:01] | Beirdo: | so the trac plugin is complete (but not enabled at this point) |
| [04:25:21] | ** clever goes off to sleep ** | |
| [04:25:59] | Beirdo: | only 3/8 modules are enabled on this bot instance... |
| [04:27:17] | clever: | arg |
| [04:27:23] | clever: | frontends cant even connect to the backend |
| [04:27:32] | clever: | no way to delete/change recordings |
| [04:31:57] | clever: | master backend restarted |
| [04:32:21] | clever: | and suddendly |
| [04:32:25] | clever: | for no apparent reason |
| [04:32:35] | clever: | mythweb and the backend are compabable versions again |
| [04:32:43] | kormoc: | Get a job and buy reliable hardware |
| [04:32:54] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:32:57] | Beirdo: | now now |
| [04:33:01] | clever: | what hardware could cause the backend to show up as a diff version?:P |
| [04:33:17] | sandeen_: | must be a single-bit-error |
| [04:33:24] | sandeen_: | bad memory :) |
| [04:33:25] | kormoc: | clever, evidently whatever you have :P |
| [04:33:29] | clever: | lol |
| [04:33:40] | clever: | 2007-06–20 23:11:50.948 MythSocket(81feab0:18): writeStringList: No data written on writeBlock |
| [04:33:45] | clever: | that have any meaning? |
| [04:34:05] | Beirdo: | we have 1.926M log records, 14k nicks seen cumulative :) |
| [04:34:06] | clever: | it happens everytime a client(frontend/mythweb) fails to connect |
| [04:34:31] | kormoc: | Beirdo, wow, that's a tad... active |
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| [04:34:50] | Beirdo: | yeah, a decent amount of data |
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| [04:38:51] | Beirdo: | BTW, logs go back to 2005-03–31 |
| [04:39:12] | clever: | lol |
| [04:39:27] | clever: | thats allmost longer then ive been on irc |
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| [04:48:43] | Beirdo: | anyways, bed :) |
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| [05:09:55] | jroysdon: | RyeBrye- You still there? Yeah, I freed up disk space, but how do I have it check/unmark mysql is corrupt? |
| [05:13:36] | jroysdon: | I ran low on disk space, but have fixed that problem. However, now I see: SQL Error: Table './mythconverg/oldrecorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired [#145] |
| [05:14:09] | jroysdon: | (I'm just not sure how to fix that with mysql... I stopped mythbackend and ran mysqlcheck --all-databases and everything has an "OK" now, but still same problem) |
| [05:14:34] | xris: | jroysdon: optimize_mythdb.pl (in the contrib directory) |
| [05:14:49] | jroysdon: | xris- ah, ok, I'll give that a shot here. Thanks |
| [05:15:08] | xris: | dunno if it'll do much different than mysqlcheck, but it seems to help sometimes. |
| [05:17:33] | jroysdon: | xris- Yay! That fixed it. Shame on me for trying to download an 8gb DVD ISO to my OS drive (Knoppix Live CD), and causing it to run outta disk space ;-p |
| [05:19:03] | RyeBrye: | mysqlcheck --auto-repair-A --check -u mythtv -p |
| [05:19:05] | xris: | jroysdon: actually, that's good for me to know. means that mysqlcheck -r (or whatever the "repair" option is) doesn't always work |
| [05:19:23] | RyeBrye: | oh mysqlcheck --auto-repair -A --check -u mythtv -p |
| [05:19:25] | RyeBrye: | is what I mean |
| [05:19:32] | jroysdon: | oh, well, I didn't do that repair options, I think... |
| [05:19:34] | RyeBrye: | sounds like the optimize script works too |
| [05:19:40] | jroysdon: | I just did: mysqlcheck --alldatabases |
| [05:20:01] | RyeBrye: | I had to do that when a liveTV went crazy and ate up all my disk space |
| [05:20:20] | RyeBrye: | (and deleted ALL my programs that wren't set to not expire) |
| [05:20:36] | jroysdon: | ack... my shows are in a different mount, so it shouldn't normally be able to trash my os |
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| [05:20:47] | jroysdon: | (using mythdora, so it set it all up in /storage) |
| [05:21:50] | jroysdon: | If zap2it doesn't have info for a channel, is there a way I can get the channel info otherwise? |
| [05:21:59] | RyeBrye: | What channel? |
| [05:22:12] | RyeBrye: | Meet me at the flagpole by midnight, and bring your wallet... |
| [05:22:18] | jroysdon: | lol |
| [05:22:19] | RyeBrye: | j/k.. I have no clue |
| [05:23:07] | jroysdon: | oh, just any channel. In this case, 72/INSP, 73/EWTN, 98/CALCHAN, and even 7/PUA007. The last two are very local, but may have website data somewhere. |
| [05:25:19] | jroysdon: | Yeah, channel 7 (Public Access) has a website here in my town with all the schedule info |
| [05:25:36] | jroysdon: | http://www.modesto.tv/channels/default.asp?Channel=7/19 – it'd be nice if there was a way to import that... |
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| [05:27:43] | jroysdon: | What's the "useonairguide" option for MythWeb's MythTV channel info edit option? |
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| [05:45:20] | Grecko: | So, whats the response from the mythtv users in regards to zap2it shutting down? |
| [05:48:33] | tank-man: | my response is a small shell script |
| [05:49:10] | squidly: | tank-man: what does the script do? screen scrape? |
| [05:49:33] | tank-man: | i havent made it yet but thats what its going to do |
| [05:50:02] | tank-man: | no rush to make it yet, i have till sept :) |
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| [05:57:57] | Grecko: | So then its going to turn into a war between the users and the sites with listings. |
| [05:58:26] | Grecko: | Users updating their scripts to scrape, sites changing their layout to mess up the scripts, and the cycle repeats... |
| [06:00:10] | squidly: | tank-man: :D |
| [06:00:32] | squidly: | Grecko: and Zap2It had a working solution. they just thew a fit |
| [06:01:18] | tank-man: | i should have given bogus info in those surveys |
| [06:01:25] | Grecko: | The entire thing was setup so that they could get a larger customer base. |
| [06:01:48] | Grecko: | They hoped by giving free accounts, developers would use their service, and then when they went commercial, they would start paying |
| [06:02:08] | squidly: | I can understand them not wanting someone to user it for profit |
| [06:02:12] | Grecko: | But since most of the projects that go commercial aren't paying, from a business perspective, it doesn't make sense to keep going. |
| [06:02:40] | Dagmar: | I still think they could make paying single-user accounts viable if they'd contact Paypal |
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| [06:02:49] | squidly: | Grecko: that is what they make lawyers for. They charge a LOT of money for the comercial things. |
| [06:03:00] | Grecko: | Hell, there was a PVR program one of the local computer guys bought, that had its zap2it serial code printed in the manual – it was identical to myths |
| [06:03:05] | squidly: | Dagmar: I agree, and many people would be willing to pay |
| [06:03:15] | Dagmar: | I would |
| [06:03:24] | Dagmar: | I can't imagine the information is particular expensive to individual users |
| [06:03:39] | Grecko: | No, but how many myth users do you think there are out there? |
| [06:03:44] | Dagmar: | I'm figuring something less than $15/year is a pretty solid possibility |
| [06:03:45] | squidly: | Dagmar: nor can I, also that gives the credence to fraud |
| [06:03:59] | squidly: | Grecko: that is that companys fault. |
| [06:04:13] | Dagmar: | s/fault/fraud/; |
| [06:04:24] | squidly: | that 2 |
| [06:04:46] | Grecko: | Eh, I'm sure, with all the work that has gone into mythtv, someone will find a way to get use listings :P |
| [06:04:52] | squidly: | now if the company setup and delivered mythtv on hardware great. Just give instrustions on how to setup zap2it |
| [06:05:46] | achew22: | earlier they were estimating 10,000 users |
| [06:05:51] | tank-man: | squidly, i think zap2it still didnt like that. they are still selling a product witch uses zap2it |
| [06:06:52] | squidly: | tank-man: the same could be said for each myth user. We are "making money" by not paying for the POS DVR's like TiVo |
| [06:07:12] | squidly: | though I did notice a BIG resurgance of TiVo add's on my local cable stations |
| [06:07:38] | squidly: | perhaps its something that is comeing up from that. |
| [06:08:03] | squidly: | something just smells like tuna |
| [06:08:36] | tank-man: | if you setup your own mythtv box that uses zap2it, i think that is for personal use and ok with the zap2it guys |
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| [06:11:59] | squidly: | tank-man: that is what I gather. |
| [06:13:06] | squidly: | tank-man: one simple solution would be to make us all get our own keys to register, and then monitor what how many backends are pulling that data. |
| [06:13:35] | squidly: | then if one uses more then say 3 devices, block that key and request info. |
| [06:17:04] | jroysdon: | (or ask you how many devices you have and make the keys only work for that many) |
| [06:17:38] | ** ServerSage missed part of what seems to be a very interesting discussion. ** | |
| [06:18:00] | squidly: | jroysdon: that works too. |
| [06:18:26] | jroysdon: | ServerSage: labs.zap2it.com is going away |
| [06:18:46] | squidly: | sept 1 right? |
| [06:19:05] | ** ServerSage cries ** | |
| [06:19:14] | squidly: | what I really would like is for the cable companies to give out the info directly. |
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| [06:19:33] | jroysdon: | (no more free US listings from them) |
| [06:19:39] | ServerSage: | Is there an alternative in place? Or is that what the discussion is about? |
| [06:19:43] | RyeBrye: | My cable company relies on Zap2It to give out it's guide data |
| [06:20:02] | ServerSage: | jroysdon: Are they offering pay listings? |
| [06:20:12] | squidly: | ServerSage: talking about what to do, and ides to help keep itup |
| [06:20:18] | squidly: | ServerSage: not at this time. |
| [06:20:43] | jroysdon: | ServerSage- not for personal stuff, you have to be a big company with big bucks (like a Cable company, etc.). |
| [06:21:01] | jroysdon: | The discussion I saw was something like $500 per DMA or something. |
| [06:21:17] | jroysdon: | (Something like $12K+ for all of the US) |
| [06:21:19] | kormoc: | ServerSage, something will be up before the listings expire |
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| [06:21:52] | jroysdon: | I think whatever it is, it needs to be independant of big business and multi-sourced. |
| [06:22:04] | jroysdon: | If we can get zap2it info, great, but don't rely solely on it. |
| [06:22:06] | squidly: | jroysdon: i agree there |
| [06:22:12] | ServerSage: | Indeed. |
| [06:22:16] | RyeBrye: | here here |
| [06:22:19] | kormoc: | worse comes to worse, screenscraping |
| [06:22:32] | kormoc: | you guys can always use the old screenscraper now if you'd like... |
| [06:22:44] | kormoc: | packaged with older versions of xmltv |
| [06:22:47] | jroysdon: | kormoc- how does one go about that? What about for my local Public Access stuff? |
| [06:22:52] | RyeBrye: | screenscraping from 10,000 users will generate roughly 2 billion hits on a server if you extract episode data on an 80 channel listing |
| [06:22:58] | ** jroysdon wonders how hard xmltv is to hack... ** | |
| [06:23:02] | RyeBrye: | that's in one day |
| [06:23:12] | kormoc: | jroysdon, it rips the data from tvguide.com or other websites with listings |
| [06:23:19] | ServerSage: | Well, is there anything that the non-programmer myth community can do to help? Have a bake sale or something? |
| [06:23:21] | squidly: | RyeBrye: and that load can criple there servers |
| [06:23:22] | kormoc: | so if they list it, you can grab it |
| [06:23:34] | RyeBrye: | 2 billion hits is nuts |
| [06:23:37] | jroysdon: | squidly- then they should provide it in xml format. |
| [06:23:46] | squidly: | kormoc: from what I konw tvguide.com relies on zap2it as well |
| [06:23:49] | jroysdon: | (or an rss feed, or whatever) |
| [06:23:52] | RyeBrye: | yeah... like on a labs page somewhere :) |
| [06:23:54] | squidly: | jroysdon: yea true |
| [06:24:01] | squidly: | and rss feed would be fine with me as well. |
| [06:24:02] | kormoc: | squidly, zap2it isn't going away, just the free service |
| [06:24:21] | squidly: | kormoc: true. But for any of us to pay for it.. ouch.. |
| [06:24:21] | jroysdon: | labs.zap2it.com is what is going away (just the labs part, which is where the free personal stuff is from) |
| [06:25:04] | kormoc: | squidly, and honestly, everyone uses tribune media, the owners of zap2it, they are the only listings provider in the US (least by my understanding) |
| [06:25:13] | squidly: | ok I just did some quick math. If they charge $20/mo for listing. 400 people would generate about 96000 for them |
| [06:25:43] | kormoc: | squidly, it comes out to $5 a month or so to sell listings, surprisingly close to tivo's cost |
| [06:25:44] | squidly: | kormoc: that is what I understand as well. Though the Trib is a pos company |
| [06:26:02] | RyeBrye: | TiVo's cost is $18 per month |
| [06:26:06] | RyeBrye: | NOT $5 per month |
| [06:26:15] | RyeBrye: | It's $5 per month if you have DirecTV and use a TiVo with that |
| [06:26:18] | kormoc: | ooh? was it $5 once or something? |
| [06:26:19] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [06:26:21] | jroysdon: | I had a lifetime when I owned it... |
| [06:26:28] | jroysdon: | (DirectTivo) |
| [06:26:29] | kormoc: | I just seemed to recall $5/mo for some reason |
| [06:26:29] | RyeBrye: | TiVo I think is even upping their costs from there |
| [06:26:37] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I think it was that way back when |
| [06:26:45] | RyeBrye: | but they have been increasing it steadily for a while |
| [06:26:49] | RyeBrye: | soon it will be a kidney a month |
| [06:26:54] | kormoc: | well, not like I keep up on that :P |
| [06:27:14] | kormoc: | but in anycase, yeah, around $5/mo per user would be around break even |
| [06:27:28] | squidly: | yep. |
| [06:27:38] | RyeBrye: | so sell it for $6.50 and make enough to actually make it slightly worthwhile |
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| [06:28:02] | RyeBrye: | and give the dev's it for free.. |
| [06:28:04] | squidly: | RyeBrye: that works for me. also dont forget they still have the comercial listings as well |
| [06:28:07] | kormoc: | thing is, I balk at the idea of $5/mo and I'm not cheap, it's just a shock from free |
| [06:28:15] | RyeBrye: | True |
| [06:28:21] | squidly: | kormoc: here,here |
| [06:28:24] | RyeBrye: | $10 is too much for me |
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| [06:28:47] | ServerSage: | My wife would beat me if I add another monthly charge for something to our bills. |
| [06:28:48] | RyeBrye: | I could get a crappy DVR from my cable co for that... and my wife might make me if guide data cost $10 |
| [06:28:56] | squidly: | ServerSage: lol |
| [06:29:00] | RyeBrye: | anyway, I've got to go to bed |
| [06:29:06] | RyeBrye: | maybe when I wake up Zap2it will change their mind : |
| [06:29:07] | squidly: | gn RyeBrye |
| [06:29:08] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [06:29:17] | squidly: | RyeBrye: heres to hopeing |
| [06:30:03] | squidly: | jroysdon: as much as I would love to not be dependent on one source over all we are, Tribune Media pwns the listings |
| [06:30:36] | tank-man: | seems silly that the tv companies dont give the listings for free |
| [06:30:49] | tank-man: | cable companies |
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| [06:31:05] | ServerSage: | tank-man: Everybody wants their all mighty buck. |
| [06:31:17] | Tanthrix_AFK: | Is it possible to find out how many hours a drive has been used via SMART? |
| [06:31:22] | kormoc: | tank-man, think of it this way, you're a cable co, and someone offers you lots of money to give them sole ownership of the listings, wouldn't you do it? |
| [06:31:23] | squidly: | ServerSage: yea look at how much comcast has been raping people |
| [06:31:33] | kormoc: | Tanthrix, sometimes, yes |
| [06:31:35] | tank-man: | stupid anology time: its like buying a book and having to pay extra for the table of contents/index |
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| [06:31:47] | ServerSage: | squidly: Tell me about it, I'm currently bent over my desk for internet access from those bastards. |
| [06:31:49] | squidly: | Tanthrix_AFK: yes smartctl should be able to tell you |
| [06:31:54] | kormoc: | tank-man, they give you listings, tvguide channel! |
| [06:32:21] | tank-man: | i havent used that channel in ages |
| [06:32:23] | squidly: | ServerSage: honistly there needs to be some better competation in the ISP world then just cable and dsl. Fiber is comeing but they will cost too much |
| [06:32:47] | ServerSage: | squidly: Problem with fiber is that it's owned by the same jerks. |
| [06:32:47] | kormoc: | squidly, ooh? I pay $35 a month for fiber |
| [06:32:56] | ServerSage: | kormoc: Where you at? |
| [06:33:01] | squidly: | kormoc: FiOS? |
| [06:33:03] | kormoc: | ServerSage, Kirkland, WA |
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| [06:33:12] | kormoc: | squidly, aye, for 5 mbit down, 2 mbit up |
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| [06:33:21] | ServerSage: | kormoc: Lucky. Here in San Jose, CA I pay through the nose for Comcast. |
| [06:33:35] | Tanthrix: | Yah, I'm doing -a with smartctl but I'm not really finding it anywhere |
| [06:33:36] | squidly: | kormoc: where I'm at I only have comcrap or AT&T for internet |
| [06:33:42] | ServerSage: | fios is verizon, right? |
| [06:33:46] | Tanthrix: | Some drives just not have it? |
| [06:33:49] | kormoc: | ServerSage, aye |
| [06:33:56] | squidly: | Tanthrix: perhaps |
| [06:34:09] | kormoc: | squidly, fair 'nuff, but fios (for now) is cheaper then cable is by far |
| [06:34:18] | ServerSage: | kormoc: So you have to have a home phone with them to get it I'm sure. |
| [06:34:22] | kormoc: | Tanthrix, typically it's there |
| [06:34:24] | squidly: | kormoc: true. and better speeds up and down |
| [06:34:27] | kormoc: | ServerSage, nopers, I do not |
| [06:34:54] | squidly: | I'm solidly in AT&T area. I wont ever see fiber in my life time |
| [06:35:15] | kormoc: | ServerSage, plus the install came with a BBU for the fiber connection, and a kickass router |
| [06:35:16] | squidly: | if I'm lucky I will get ADSL2 |
| [06:35:30] | squidly: | kormoc: can you use your own router/firewall if you want to? |
| [06:35:32] | kormoc: | squidly, I moved into a FIOS area :P |
| [06:35:36] | kormoc: | squidly, yes I can |
| [06:35:39] | squidly: | kormoc: I would too |
| [06:35:49] | ServerSage: | kormoc: I'm gonna have to check if they are in my area now. |
| [06:35:59] | ** ServerSage sighs knowing they won't be. ** | |
| [06:36:01] | squidly: | kormoc: cool. They still useing some form of authenticaion to get you on? |
| [06:36:06] | kormoc: | squidly, the fiber connection is just a DHCP, I used my linksys WRT54G for awhile |
| [06:36:15] | squidly: | kormoc: oh cool |
| [06:37:59] | Tanthrix: | I'm seeing 100 as the worst value out of 200 possible on Multi_Zone_Error_Rate and Soft_Read_Error_Rate on a new drive – anything to worry about? |
| [06:38:01] | kormoc: | tho, the actiontec they gave me really is cool, full QOS and runs iptables (and sshable in for configuration) |
| [06:38:15] | squidly: | Tanthrix: i dont think so |
| [06:38:17] | Tanthrix: | Er, out of 253 |
| [06:38:19] | Sid`: | Tanthrix: how many remapped sectors? |
| [06:38:19] | Dagmar: | ...and as a bonus, it's buggy as fuck. |
| [06:38:23] | squidly: | kormoc: very sweet |
| [06:38:28] | Sid`: | that's the best pre-failure indicator ime |
| [06:38:31] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Wait until you see it resolve hostnames to 1.1.1.1 |
| [06:38:41] | kormoc: | Dagmar, so far it hasn't |
| [06:38:41] | squidly: | on real myth question |
| [06:38:45] | Dagmar: | One of the side effects of them using busybox and ulibc |
| [06:38:52] | kormoc: | Dagmar, been up for around 6 months solid |
| [06:39:09] | Dagmar: | Yeah, my parent's unit never fell over, but I still wound up recompiling some of it with some actual bug fixes |
| [06:39:16] | Tanthrix: | Sid`: http://novae-res.org/smart.txt Same as reallocated sectors? If so, then looking good. |
| [06:39:21] | squidly: | I'm trying to rip a dvd to my mythbox. Using the import dvd it pulls the vob. How can I watch that in my mythtv viewer? |
| [06:39:24] | Dagmar: | The 1.1.1.1 response for tempfail conditions was really pissing me off |
| [06:39:48] | Dagmar: | squidly: transcode it into something else |
| [06:39:50] | kormoc: | Dagmar, they might have fixed it with a different model/firmware then |
| [06:39:50] | Sid`: | Tanthrix: yeah, reallocated |
| [06:39:53] | Sid`: | thats what SMART calls it |
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| [06:40:16] | squidly: | Dagmar: I thought the MTD did that for me? |
| [06:40:17] | Tanthrix: | This is my RMA return from the one I sent back with bad sectors |
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| [06:40:32] | Tanthrix: | Just wondering if there was a way to figure out whether or not this is a refurb |
| [06:40:35] | Dagmar: | squidly: If it's still a VOB file then no |
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| [06:40:42] | Sid`: | have a look at power_on_hours |
| [06:40:42] | Tanthrix: | It did have someone's finger print on it, which makes me slightly nervous.. |
| [06:40:53] | Sid`: | unless they replaced the SMART EEPROM when they refurb'd it |
| [06:40:58] | Sid`: | 4 hours is a good guess that its a new disk |
| [06:40:59] | squidly: | Dagmar: I have the dvd right here. |
| [06:41:04] | Dagmar: | VOB *looks* enough like an mpeg stream for most things to be able to just play it, but it can and generally will have "end of stream" bits in it at the end of each section |
| [06:41:16] | Tanthrix: | Sid`: Is that what the Raw Value means? (ie, 4 hours then?) |
| [06:41:19] | Sid`: | yeah |
| [06:41:26] | squidly: | Dagmar: can I use MTD to pull it to something else? |
| [06:41:29] | robbinsc: | can anyone tell me how to adjust the timeout on a remote frontend? the network is a bit shaky between remote frontend and server, and the remote frontend times out when trying to watch livetv |
| [06:41:31] | Dagmar: | ...which means a lot of players when pointed straight at the VOB file will play the first chapter, and then stop. |
| [06:41:39] | Dagmar: | I have no idea what MTD is. |
| [06:41:54] | Tanthrix: | Well, that's exactly how long I've had it on, so at the very least, it's not a return. I would venture a guess though that they'd clear the SMART data for refurbed drives |
| [06:41:56] | squidly: | MTD = myth Transcode Deamon |
| [06:42:11] | Dagmar: | Ah... It probably can since it's mainly wrapping ffmpeg |
| [06:42:27] | Sid`: | Tanthrix: well yeah |
| [06:42:30] | Sid`: | spose they would |
| [06:42:30] | Dagmar: | I just haven't done any bothering at all with MythArchive yet |
| [06:42:45] | Dagmar: | I'm trying to actually get the hang of manually transcoding things without making them double in size |
| [06:43:26] | Dagmar: | I think maybe my next few test runs I'm going to give up trying to deinterlace |
| [06:43:28] | Tanthrix: | Thanks for the help. |
| [06:43:59] | Tanthrix: | I wish I could check my power on time for my three remaining IDE drives...probably close to 4–5 years now. |
| [06:44:10] | Dagmar: | You can if they support SMART |
| [06:44:25] | Tanthrix: | My system hard locks up when I attempt to access the SMART data, due to my crappy $13 IDE card (and the fact I'm running windows) |
| [06:44:30] | Dagmar: | THey'd have to be kinda old or really, really cheap to not support SMART |
| [06:44:35] | Tanthrix: | For any drive on the card |
| [06:44:39] | Dagmar: | SO boot up just about any linux distro |
| [06:44:43] | Dagmar: | EVen Knoppix would do |
| [06:45:19] | Tanthrix: | My laziness overules my curiosity in this sense, since the card did not seem to automatically work when I was playing around with xbunutu the other day. |
| [06:45:30] | Sid`: | christ |
| [06:45:32] | Dagmar: | Who made this IDE card? Promise? |
| [06:45:33] | Sid`: | what kind of IDE card is it? |
| [06:45:50] | ** jroysdon whines... "The Netflix web site is temporarily unavailable due to scheduled maintenance." ** | |
| [06:45:54] | Dagmar: | I used to use THE sketchiest jesus cards ever, and they never gave Linux any problems |
| [06:46:01] | Tanthrix: | Let me check, one sec. |
| [06:46:10] | Dagmar: | jroysdon: Have you looked at Vongo? |
| [06:46:14] | ** ServerSage hits Tanthrix with a rolled up newspaper. ** | |
| [06:46:35] | Dagmar: | I messed with them for a month, and then I looked at my cablemodem logs and figured maybe if I kept using Vongo that Comcast was going to get real mad at me. |
| [06:46:38] | jroysdon: | Dagmar- just trying to get MythFlix working... |
| [06:46:39] | squidly: | Dagmar: I think mythvideo may be busted |
| [06:46:54] | Dagmar: | squidly: Why? It's not playing the VOB at all? |
| [06:47:04] | kormoc: | Dagmar, and not linux friendly :/ |
| [06:47:06] | squidly: | it wont even show it as being avaliable to play |
| [06:47:08] | Dagmar: | ....or are you trying to play the VOB file right off the DVD or something? |
| [06:47:27] | squidly: | playing the dvd works. but pulling the info is not working |
| [06:47:31] | Dagmar: | Strange. I have a vob file lodged in mine and it sees it |
| [06:47:38] | squidly: | yea mine does not |
| [06:47:43] | Tanthrix: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815104214 <--Reports as SiI 0680 in Windows |
| [06:47:44] | Dagmar: | You can't play the VOB file straight off the DVD |
| [06:47:50] | Dagmar: | It's in CSS-bufu'd space |
| [06:48:12] | squidly: | Dagmar: yea it was ripped with mythvideo |
| [06:48:13] | Dagmar: | Eek |
| [06:48:18] | Dagmar: | Screwey raid cards |
| [06:48:43] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: What you see when you run `lspci` is probably more useful than what WIndows says about something |
| [06:48:59] | Tanthrix: | And by "automatically work" I mean my drives on that card did not automatically mount and show up on my xbuntu desktop – prolly works in linux, but if I really wanted to check the smart data on those drives it would be faster to pull them and stick it in my linux box |
| [06:49:06] | squidly: | Dagmar: IIRC that "raid" card does a bastardized version of software raid |
| [06:49:13] | Dagmar: | WIndows gets the human-readable names for devices from their drivers, which means it could be saying it's a "Tapioca Pudding Controller" and that's what you'd see on the screen |
| [06:49:25] | Tanthrix: | Dagmar: Oh I know, but I'm not running linux on this system so I can't check. |
| [06:49:29] | Sid`: | Dagmar: you can get the PCI IDs outta windows |
| [06:49:35] | Sid`: | under device properties |
| [06:49:42] | squidly: | Dagmar: where do I check to see where mythvideo is looking for the files |
| [06:49:55] | Dagmar: | SiD3WiNDR: YEah but it's all munged up in that crazy string format |
| [06:50:09] | Dagmar: | squidly: In the setup menus of the frontend afaik |
| [06:50:17] | Dagmar: | Under video setup stuff |
| [06:50:20] | squidly: | Dagmar: that is what I though. |
| [06:50:21] | Tanthrix: | Anyway, I thought it not a wise investment to spend more than $15 on an IDE card, for obvious reasons |
| [06:50:24] | Sid`: | Dagmar: yeah, but you get the 2 16-bit numbers and stick em in google, and you're usually laughing |
| [06:50:28] | Dagmar: | There's even a section just for file types by extention |
| [06:50:47] | Dagmar: | Sid; That's what I do but I've no easy way to explain to people over IRC how to read through that mess |
| [06:51:18] | Dagmar: | Tanthrix: Probably you would have been better off without something promising RAID support for that money |
| [06:51:27] | Sid`: | heh, fair point |
| [06:51:40] | squidly: | Tanthrix: I've got a ide controler for about $15 5 years ago. And its still working like a champ |
| [06:51:54] | Tanthrix: | Hehe, likely. Though it did have the best reviews for the price at the time. (Not that reviews mean much, if anything) |
| [06:52:01] | squidly: | Dagmar: I tried a "Raid" card a while ago. blew up my linux boot |
| [06:52:31] | squidly: | and I went back and some idiot from "Geek Squad/Best Buy" said it HAD to be built on to the mobo |
| [06:52:52] | squidly: | he even argued with me about it. |
| [06:53:59] | Dagmar: | THey no longer dare argue with me around here. |
| [06:54:41] | Dagmar: | ...because I'll go to their manager and request they spend money on giving their employees basic technology classes. |
| [06:55:14] | squidly: | Dagmar: heh, I didnt have time to argue. I told him to get the GM, then told him to get Regonal Manger when he argued with me (even though I returend a faulty "raid" card a about 2 months ago) |
| [06:55:41] | squidly: | Dagmar: If you want actualy knowledge about a product don't ever go to Best Buy. I worked there for a christmas |
| [06:56:12] | squidly: | and never take a pc to them unless its under hardware warenty |
| [06:56:38] | Dagmar: | Oh me and Best Buy have had tangles before. |
| [06:56:38] | Tanthrix: | No retail places anywhere have knowledgable sales people. If they were really knowledgable, they wouldn't be in sales.. |
| [06:56:40] | squidly: | they took a budys computer, whiped the drive (for a cd-rom replacement) and then wanted $300 to reinstall windows |
| [06:56:49] | squidly: | Tanthrix: lol |
| [06:57:05] | Dagmar: | I went there once for a USB cable for my parents, and the little sales girl f**ked up and told me that USB 2.0 used only gold connectors because "it makes the electricity go faster" |
| [06:57:16] | squidly: | Dagmar: lmao |
| [06:57:24] | Dagmar: | I immediately demanded to know who told her that, and then went and pretty much ate the face off the male employee she pointed out to me. |
| [06:57:37] | squidly: | Dagmar: good. |
| [06:57:40] | Dagmar: | Chicks have enough trouble in this field without dipshits telling them stupid things like that. |
| [06:57:58] | squidly: | Dagmar: did you educate her as to why gold connectors are usualy the best |
| [06:58:01] | Tanthrix: | And that isn't a joke either – people in the know have jobs where they can put that knowledge to good use. For sales, it is irrelevent for the most part unfortunately. |
| [06:58:02] | Dagmar: | Anyone who's been through high school physics would know that gold doesn't make electricity go faster |
| [06:58:20] | squidly: | Dagmar: nothing does. Its all a matter of resistance. |
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| [06:59:00] | squidly: | though with most PC's using a gold connector can lead to differental correosion (if I can spell but its 2am so I'm taking a pass) |
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| [07:00:52] | ServerSage: | squidly: 2am, you must be in the center of the good 'ol USofA. |
| [07:01:12] | squidly: | ServerSage: yep. Near Chicago |
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| [07:03:08] | squidly: | hmm.. |
| [07:03:31] | squidly: | is now sees the video but does not play sound |
| [07:04:05] | Dagmar: | This is probably because the primary audio track in there is DTS and you are missing libdts, or possibly AC3 support |
| [07:04:20] | squidly: | Dagmar: in mythvt? |
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| [07:04:33] | Dagmar: | We have vt's now? |
| [07:04:47] | squidly: | vt? |
| [07:05:04] | ServerSage: | squidly: You spelled mythtv wrong. :) |
| [07:05:22] | ** squidly sighs ** | |
| [07:05:27] | squidly: | ServerSage: what time is it there? |
| [07:05:45] | squidly: | (also my cafeen intake has been null for the last 2 weeks |
| [07:07:02] | ServerSage: | squidly: Just rolled past midnight here. I'm in Cali. |
| [07:08:57] | squidly: | ahh ok |
| [07:11:40] | squidly: | oh something is blocking sound |
| [07:12:13] | ServerSage: | God I hate know it all elitists. |
| [07:13:36] | croppa: | Is it possiable to make the remote start mythtvfrontend? |
| [07:14:24] | ServerSage: | croppa: Do you want it to start the computer? Or just start mythfrontend? |
| [07:14:50] | croppa: | just to start mythtvfrontend |
| [07:14:58] | ServerSage: | croppa: irexec should be able to do it. |
| [07:16:06] | croppa: | I have been able to get the remote working with mythtv |
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| [07:21:01] | croppa: | Thanks |
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| [07:32:20] | squidly: | will myth keep ripping a disk if I exit the ripping screen? |
| [07:39:28] | croppa: | ServerSage: I have just got irexec starting mythtvfrontend..Would it be normal to have irexec running in the background all the time? |
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| [07:41:08] | jroysdon: | How do I set a password on mythweb? I have some firewall rules to only allow my IP, but just as an added measure I'd like to secure things more. |
| [07:42:45] | squidly: | jroysdon: iirc its a .htaccess files |
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| [07:42:58] | Dagmar: | jroysdon: It tells how to do it in the readme |
| [07:43:03] | jroysdon: | ah, as simple as that, okies |
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| [07:43:26] | Dagmar: | It is *not* hard, provided you either know how already, or look at the readme that comes with mythweb |
| [07:44:37] | Blaksmith: | Hi.. quick Q... what's the best way to set myth up to use the least amount of HD space during/after recording... I can only get 44 or 45 recordings of regular shows on an 80g drive... would transcoding them after the record be beneficial? |
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| [07:46:48] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [07:47:07] | Dagmar: | Provided you don't transcode them to some really poorly compressed format |
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| [07:47:56] | Blaksmith: | ya, it's about 1g per 30 min at this setting currently |
| [07:48:51] | Dagmar: | So tell it to automatically transcode everything with the Medium Quality setting |
| [07:49:30] | Blaksmith: | ok, will try that thanks .. (I think it is on high quality right now) |
| [07:50:06] | Dagmar: | High Quality by default isn't doing *anything* |
| [07:50:19] | Dagmar: | It's basically useful for cutting out commercials. |
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| [07:51:04] | Dagmar: | Go into the cutlist editor, hit 'z' to pull in the commercial flagging list, save it, and then from the menu you can tell it to begin transcoding to High Quality and all it will do is cut the commercials from the file without reencoding anything |
| [07:51:11] | Dagmar: | ...well, *almost* anything |
| [07:52:30] | Blaksmith: | I actually dont' want to take out the commercials, because it cuts them wrong on some shows I watch |
| [07:52:42] | jroysdon: | I just like 'em flagged |
| [07:52:57] | Blaksmith: | yep. :) flaggs |
| [07:52:57] | jroysdon: | That way it'll skip them, but if it is wrong I can turn off the skipping for a show and manually skip |
| [07:52:59] | Blaksmith: | flagged |
| [07:53:04] | Dagmar: | I always check the flagging and fix it, then transcode them out |
| [07:53:43] | Dagmar: | Using up/down-arrow in the cutlist editor to tell it to move to the next cutpoint and then change to move by 1 frame makes it very easy to see if the marker is in the right place |
| [07:54:02] | jroysdon: | Dagmar- where is the cutlist editor? |
| [07:54:13] | ** jroysdon is new to some of these more advanced mythtv features ** | |
| [07:54:29] | Blaksmith: | I don't have time to cut em out.. I work 14+ hours / day... i miss some episodes because they have fallen off before I can watch em |
| [07:54:38] | Dagmar: | You should probably read the docs, but basically you just hit 'e' while playing a recording |
| [07:54:55] | Dagmar: | Blaksmith: I can run through an hour program and check the cut points in about a minute flat |
| [07:55:00] | jroysdon: | ah, okie |
| [07:55:13] | Dagmar: | jroysdon: hitting 'e' again will save whatever changes you made |
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| [07:55:38] | Blaksmith: | plus I'm too lazy lol .. just would like more hd space or more episodes stored lol |
| [07:55:42] | Dagmar: | ...but just chopping the commercials out should save you about 20–25% space |
| [07:56:14] | Dagmar: | ...then transcoding to medium quality (which is pretty reasonable XviD) will save even more |
| [07:56:33] | Dagmar: | Just one note... If you see the transcoding profiles in there, DO NOT ATTEPT TO RENAME THEM |
| [07:56:57] | Dagmar: | "High Quality" and "Medium Quality" and "Low Quality" can be renamed, but this breaks the hell out of things |
| [07:57:02] | Dagmar: | ...so don't rename 'em |
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| [07:58:08] | Blaksmith: | heh, nope, just going to tell it to use medium instead of high |
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| [08:01:25] | Blaksmith: | been a while since I"ve been in there to change settigns lol.. tryin to find the quality heheh I'll find it though |
| [08:02:34] | Dagmar: | The defaults are pretty good |
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| [08:02:49] | gregorovius: | hi folks... wondering if anyone could help me a bit. I live in argentina, so I got a xmltv grabber from CVS... it works standalone, but mythth-setup (in ubuntu feisty) doesn't let me select it as my grabber |
| [08:02:49] | Dagmar: | ...you can't add new transcoder profiles for the same reason you shouldn't change their names. |
| [08:02:59] | Dagmar: | There is some serious painted-into-a-corner action in that part of the code |
| [08:03:47] | hads: | gregorovius: You won't be able to select the grabber if mythtv doesn't know about it. You will need to use the grabber seperately and then import the XML from the file. |
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| [08:04:36] | hads: | gregorovius: This has changed in SVN trunk so in 0.21 you will be able to use the grabber directly. |
| [08:04:46] | gregorovius: | ok hads, so I should select 'no grabber' for now? |
| [08:04:52] | Blaksmith: | hmm, looks like all values are the same... bitrates etc.. between high and low, and default |
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| [08:05:35] | hads: | gregorovius: Yes, pretty much and then you can use mythfilldatabase --file |
| [08:05:41] | Dagmar: | They shoudn't be |
| [08:05:54] | Dagmar: | High Quality by default has the thing checked for using lossless transcoding |
| [08:05:57] | gregorovius: | that'll work, thanks a bunch |
| [08:06:49] | hads: | gregorovius: No problem, you will see on this page the way to use the --file option; http://pvr.geek.nz/w/index.php/Listings |
| [08:07:30] | gregorovius: | thanks, I'll save that for later |
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| [08:11:21] | Blaksmith: | ok, think I found it... will see after a few recordigns :) |
| [08:12:40] | gregorovius: | hads, the --file option requires 3 parameters: sourceid, offset and xmlfile. is sourceid an integer beginning with 0 or something else? |
| [08:14:10] | hads: | gregorovius: The sourceid relates to the id in the capturecard table in the database. If you only have one card it's likely 1 |
| [08:14:26] | gregorovius: | okay, i'll try that |
| [08:14:48] | hads: | You can look in mythtv or mythweb to check the id |
| [08:15:09] | Blaksmith: | for space, what's the best codec .... mpg4 or RTjpeg? |
| [08:15:21] | hads: | gregorovius: It'll be in the 'Information Center' in mythfrontend |
| [08:16:20] | hads: | GreyFoxx: Or you can look in mysql directly with "SELECT cardid, cardtype FROM capturecard;" or something. |
| [08:16:41] | hads: | erm, gregorovius not GreyFoxx :) |
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| [08:19:55] | gregorovius: | hmm |
| [08:20:22] | gregorovius: | mythfilldatabase didn't report anything wrong, but I'm not getting the data in mythfrontend |
| [08:21:36] | gregorovius: | and I'm getting an awful high pitched noise instead of sound, but that's another issue, heh |
| [08:23:20] | jroysdon: | Where do the channel icons actually show up? I've used the channel_icons.pl, but I still don't see any channel icons... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_icons |
| [08:23:45] | hads: | gregorovius: Did you check the sourceid before you did the mythfilldatabase run> |
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| [08:25:23] | gregorovius: | hads, I tried with mysql, but got an access denied message |
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| [08:26:12] | hads: | gregorovius: If you aren't comfortable with mysql then look in the 'Information center' in mythfrontend |
| [08:27:01] | gregorovius: | I checked there, only relevant thing I saw was 'tuner 1 not recording' |
| [08:27:25] | hads: | OK then 1 should be the correct sourceid to use. |
| [08:28:36] | gregorovius: | I used source 1 and mythfilldatabase added 5000 something entries to the DB |
| [08:28:53] | hads: | Well that sounds OK then. |
| [08:31:13] | gregorovius: | and mythfrontend connects ok to the backend and database |
| [08:31:39] | hads: | Actually I put you wrong on that SQL but it doesn't matter in this case. |
| [08:32:48] | gregorovius: | haha |
| [08:32:50] | gregorovius: | anyways |
| [08:32:56] | gregorovius: | in the EPG I have duplicate entries |
| [08:33:15] | gregorovius: | for each channel I've got one with the correct EPG info, and one empty... |
| [08:33:35] | gregorovius: | I guess channels aren't setup correctly |
| [08:33:48] | hads: | Most likely, mythtv-setup will help you there. |
| [08:34:57] | gregorovius: | probably :) |
| [08:39:53] | gregorovius: | great, it works now, thanks for the help |
| [08:40:08] | gregorovius: | now... the high-pitched-noise.... |
| [08:40:22] | hads: | Cool |
| [08:41:41] | gregorovius: | I can't find anywhere in mythtv-setup to set the audio capture device |
| [08:41:56] | gregorovius: | I have an analog tuner, btw |
| [08:42:17] | ** hads doesn't know anything about analog tuners. ** | |
| [08:42:41] | gregorovius: | heh, it's ok, you've helped me enough |
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| [08:59:30] | gregorovius: | tvtime has an 'audio volume boost' option, and if I don't set it to something, I only get a faint noise out of the tv tuner... I'm getting that same noise in myth, anyone know if there's an equivalent option? |
| [08:59:58] | gregorovius: | it's not a capture problem but a tv tuner initialization problem |
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| [09:04:47] | quicksilver: | gregorovius: v4lctl? |
| [09:05:25] | quicksilver: | v4lctl -c /dev/video0 setattr mute off |
| [09:05:32] | quicksilver: | or other options for v4lctl |
| [09:05:42] | quicksilver: | I have to run that at startup to get sound from my analog capture cards |
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| [09:12:39] | gregorovius: | "v4lctl -c /dev/video0 setattr volume 65535" worked, thanks quicksilver |
| [09:12:54] | gregorovius: | I didn't even knew that command existed |
| [09:14:44] | gregorovius: | if only the LIRC guys were as friendly and helpful as you :) |
| [09:15:16] | siXy: | gregorovius: lirc support is normally not too bad... |
| [09:15:50] | gregorovius: | dunno, maybe I just had bad luck |
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| [09:26:42] | siXy: | having issues with the internal player. it fails to play .vobs ripped with mythdvd, using any combination of settings with one exception. ffmpeg (or whatever its called, the one that is neither xv, xvmc nor via-xvmc) will play the files, but any attempt to skip forwards or back appears to crash the player |
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| [09:43:24] | galorin: | I'm looking for short-term ideas for a cooling problem.. when mythtranscode or mythcommflag kicks in,my cpu gets too hot, and the PC shuts itself down.Is there any way to keep these processes from using 100% cpu,or do I need to prevent them from running? |
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| [09:44:51] | galorin: | whoopsie |
| [09:45:34] | siXy: | cpuspeed, depending on your cpu. alternatively a better HSF |
| [09:45:36] | anykey_: | galorin: how about preventing the cpu from getting hot by using a cooler? |
| [09:48:16] | galorin: | _temporary_ solution.My new CPU cooler and other cooling bits were ordered today,but won't be arriving for a few days yet. |
| [09:50:51] | siXy: | if its just a few days, just stop them running. no point messing around for that short a space of time |
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| [09:54:15] | galorin: | siXy, that's just tv settings > general (jobs) and uncheck transcode new recordings,and commercial flag new recordings? |
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| [09:55:15] | siXy: | galorin: yeah that sounds right. |
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| [09:59:00] | galorin: | ok,done.Now we'll see if this PC shuts itself off tonight. Hopefully my coolers will arrive soon and I can get this permanently fixed. |
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| [10:06:38] | Brian2: | :( |
| [10:06:44] | Brian2: | It happened again. |
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| [10:07:28] | Brian2: | I don't know what did it – either the machine rebooted or it logged out or whatever but I can't get into MythTV either from the remote or from the main computer. I think my MYSQL tables are corrupted again and I don't want to go back and fix them all over again. |
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| [10:29:58] | HWL736: | hi |
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| [10:30:52] | HWL736: | do i need a graphic card with tv-out to connect mythtv to my tv or can i run it with dvb-s card |
| [10:30:57] | Merlin83b: | You'll need a graphics card with tv out. |
| [10:31:04] | Merlin83b: | The DVB-S card jsut has an input, right? |
| [10:32:01] | HWL736: | oh |
| [10:32:10] | HWL736: | i thougt its an output |
| [10:32:30] | Merlin83b: | Not likely. |
| [10:34:11] | HWL736: | but it is an output |
| [10:34:26] | HWL736: | on my dvb-s caus it has got an hardware decoder |
| [10:34:39] | HWL736: | kann jemand deutsch? |
| [10:35:29] | directhex|work: | decoder on DVB card? what's the point? |
| [10:35:57] | HWL736: | the card has an output here is the solution |
| [10:36:04] | HWL736: | http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Full-featured-DVB-Karte |
| [10:36:20] | HWL736: | the graphic capabilities of the card are very small |
| [10:36:43] | HWL736: | linvdr would work with the tv-out of the card |
| [10:36:57] | HWL736: | but i think mythtv dont cause its to heavy |
| [10:37:00] | HWL736: | for the card... |
| [10:37:10] | HWL736: | even if you upgrade ram on the card |
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| [10:37:37] | HWL736: | http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/SpeicherMod |
| [10:37:41] | directhex|work: | full-featured cards are strongly disrecommended |
| [10:37:51] | directhex|work: | they're an unneccessary relic |
| [10:38:40] | HWL736: | what ? why, they save cpu power and AC power |
| [10:38:41] | directhex|work: | "From a today's point of view they are just outdated and forcing people to blow their money for a hardware decoder they really don't need (every recent PC with more than ~500MHz is able to decode MPEG2 Streams in software without any extra cost). No modern card design repeated this approach, Microsoft even denies to support this type of cards in their BDA Driver Architecture." |
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| [10:39:04] | directhex|work: | "let the "Full-featured Cards" die better sooner than later. You can spend your money a better way, invite your girlfriend for a ice-cream or drink some beer with your friends." |
| [10:39:16] | directhex|work: | from the linuxtv wiki, home to the people who write drivers for the bloody things |
| [10:39:57] | HWL736: | okay |
| [10:41:24] | HWL736: | am i right when i think mythtv doesnt need to decode the videostream when i am recording? |
| [10:41:54] | pat_: | yup |
| [10:41:55] | directhex|work: | DVB comes in pre-encoded. it just streams that signal to disk |
| [10:42:18] | HWL736: | cause i ve got only 730mhz an 256mb ram |
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| [10:43:19] | HWL736: | and i dont know if the system is stable when i am doing many things at the same time |
| [10:43:32] | HWL736: | something like dvd-watching and recording |
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| [10:45:31] | directhex|work: | that depends on your IO bandwidth |
| [10:47:06] | HWL736: | i think i will need the pvr card |
| [10:47:32] | HWL736: | the doc says |
| [10:47:36] | pat_: | the pvr-350 is an analogue card, not digital |
| [10:47:36] | HWL736: | A PIII/733MHz system can encode one video stream using the MPEG-4 codec using 480x480 capture resolution. This does not allow for live TV watching, but does allow for encoding video and then watching it later. |
| [10:48:00] | HWL736: | ??? |
| [10:48:11] | HWL736: | i ve got an digital dvb-s card... |
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| [10:48:19] | pat_: | with a dvb card you'll be limited by your IO, for instance I use about 2% cpu recording with a dvb-t card |
| [10:48:24] | HWL736: | who says ive got the 350? |
| [10:48:28] | HWL736: | nexus-s |
| [10:48:43] | pat_: | in my athlon 2400+ |
| [10:49:02] | HWL736: | only recording not watching yes? |
| [10:49:06] | directhex|work: | stop mixing up what you're saying. it's incredibly frustrating for those trying to help you |
| [10:49:16] | pat_: | just recording |
| [10:49:26] | HWL736: | ive an idea, |
| [10:49:38] | HWL736: | i will try the software decoder |
| [10:50:11] | HWL736: | an when it work without problems i will sell the card on ebay |
| [10:51:11] | pat_: | I don't know how much cpu you'll need to decode a dvb mpeg stream, I transcode all my recordings to mpeg-4 to save disc space |
| [10:51:52] | directhex|work: | same as a dvd |
| [10:51:54] | directhex|work: | maybe less |
| [10:52:05] | directhex|work: | 500mhz p3 ought to cope |
| [10:52:12] | directhex|work: | the frontend likes ram though |
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| [10:52:33] | HWL736: | dvd are in mpeg4? |
| [10:52:44] | pat_: | dvd are mpeg-2 |
| [10:52:48] | HWL736: | okay |
| [10:52:50] | directhex|work: | no, DVDs are MPEG-2 |
| [10:52:50] | pat_: | as is dvb |
| [10:52:56] | directhex|work: | most DVB |
| [10:53:00] | pat_: | :) |
| [10:53:09] | HWL736: | mmh, i dont need so much space for my movies |
| [10:53:28] | HWL736: | the recordings are only temporal.... |
| [10:53:36] | HWL736: | or i will burn them... |
| [10:54:01] | Merlin83b: | Temporary. |
| [10:54:08] | HWL736: | yes |
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| [10:54:11] | HWL736: | temporary |
| [10:54:15] | Merlin83b: | Not temporal. |
| [10:54:29] | Merlin83b: | Pet peeve. |
| [10:54:41] | ** directhex|work sends Merlin83b into temporal flux ** | |
| [10:54:43] | HWL736: | i dont speak english well |
| [10:54:59] | Merlin83b: | HWL736: In that case, happy to help :) |
| [10:55:22] | Merlin83b: | directhex|work: See it's okay there, as you used it in the right context, and got a geeky sci-fi reference in too. |
| [10:55:35] | pat_: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 has some typos, it refers to MPEG-4 where I remember it saying MPEG-2 (or at least I originally read it as MPEG-2) |
| [10:55:48] | HWL736: | yep |
| [10:56:10] | HWL736: | i would overclock my cpu if i will need too... |
| [10:56:19] | HWL736: | bye know ive got to work |
| [10:56:23] | directhex|work: | pat_, framegrabber recording is to mpeg4 or rtjpeg iirc |
| [10:56:49] | pat_: | oh, I thought it was to mpeg-2 |
| [10:57:10] | HWL736: | are you sure i am able to enable software decoding with my card? |
| [10:57:30] | pat_: | I think the systems listed there would have a hard time encoding mpeg-4 faster than realtime |
| [10:57:41] | directhex|work: | HWL736, no, because your card is not involved at all in the decoding process |
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| [10:58:05] | directhex|work: | HWL736, if you've ever played a "video" on your computer, then you're set |
| [10:58:44] | HWL736: | thx |
| [10:59:09] | HWL736: | i dont want to encode it |
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| [10:59:17] | HWL736: | only decode and recording... |
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| [11:07:31] | fatmatt: | heyas |
| [11:09:04] | fatmatt: | got a question... I'm running mythtv on a server/tv and also a frontend on my laptop. Laptop is ubuntu 7.04, server is 6.10. Is it worth doing a custom kernel compile or should I just stick with the standard ubuntu 386 which works |
| [11:09:32] | directhex|work: | messing with kernels on ubuntu causes pain and suffering |
| [11:10:55] | fatmatt: | I've run custom kernels since the dark ages. this just works stuff is new to me. Wondering what the advantages are, I've had custom kernels on my ubuntu laptop before, nothing caused me my pain |
| [11:11:32] | directhex|work: | there are a SIGNIFICANT number of patches in the ubuntu kernels compared to upstream |
| [11:11:45] | directhex|work: | as well as the "restricted" stuff like nvidia modules |
| [11:12:04] | directhex|work: | the benefits to self-compiling? absolutely none whatsoever, unless you're a kernel developer |
| [11:12:13] | fatmatt: | I'd compile using the ubuntu source, I'm not going to go through the patching |
| [11:12:46] | fatmatt: | what about the processor options? is there a performance gain in specifying P4 etc over 386 or generic? |
| [11:13:06] | directhex|work: | yep. in which case install linux-686 and remove linux-386 |
| [11:13:08] | directhex|work: | job jobbed |
| [11:13:41] | ** fatmatt hunts through list for package names. ** | |
| [11:15:01] | directhex|work: | obsoleted by now. i think the kernel does its cache alignment stuff at boot, not at compile |
| [11:15:42] | directhex|work: | if you're running i386, nothing will really do much for performance in the end |
| [11:18:59] | fatmatt: | wasn't really expecting much, the server and laptops are a p4 and a p4 celeron, getting a little old. |
| [11:19:20] | fatmatt: | so a bit of optimisation might make them more useful for longer |
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| [11:20:36] | directhex|work: | pissing in the ocean. 99.9% of your machine's time is spent idle anyway |
| [11:20:48] | directhex|work: | and if you want performance, bin GCC and recompile things with ICC |
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| [11:22:41] | fatmatt: | things = everything? |
| [11:24:49] | directhex|work: | anything you can actually convince to compile |
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| [11:29:48] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [11:30:07] | Dagmar: | ICC = Irrational Compiler Collection |
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| [11:33:45] | laga: | morning |
| [11:33:46] | laga: | dude |
| [11:33:51] | laga: | zap2it is gonna close down |
| [11:33:54] | QQQQ: | afternoonish |
| [11:34:10] | ** TSCHAK thwacks laga with a giant summer sausage log. ** | |
| [11:34:27] | QQQQ: | is zap2it gonna close down? oh noes! first I've heard of it. man I'm glad I'm not a yank :-P |
| [11:34:34] | laga: | heh |
| [11:34:53] | TSCHAK: | ah that made such a nice sounding thud |
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| [11:35:49] | QQQQ: | god I wish I could stay mad forever. every time I lash out I just end up calming down – it's no use |
| [11:35:52] | Dagmar: | Silly limeys |
| [11:36:06] | laga: | i never calm down |
| [11:36:11] | shnastybiznastic: | Where should I lurk for news about a zap2it alternative |
| [11:36:12] | Dagmar: | QQQQ: Elect Bush Prime Minister |
| [11:36:14] | laga: | i'm always pissed off at something |
| [11:36:16] | directhex|work: | i try my best to never get mad |
| [11:36:20] | directhex|work: | i get even! |
| [11:36:21] | Dagmar: | shnastybiznastic: google |
| [11:36:55] | QQQQ: | shnastybiznastic: you might aswell pay $$$$ & get your cable company's DVR. it's for the best :-P |
| [11:37:01] | shnastybiznastic: | Dagmar: of course, but I thought there might be a wiki page on it, however I couldn't find it. |
| [11:37:20] | Dagmar: | THere's no wiki page because there's no other services. |
| [11:37:42] | QQQQ: | maybe /. will be useful for once! |
| [11:38:20] | TSCHAK: | have you been drinking the wishful thinking water? |
| [11:38:23] | TSCHAK: | :-P |
| [11:38:35] | shnastybiznastic: | the zip news made me sad, because this coming month I'm putting together a myth box |
| [11:39:03] | QQQQ: | got an email from the LRL organiser dude yesterday. said something that didn't exactly fill me with optimism.. "smelly linux geeks browsing your stand" |
| [11:39:12] | shnastybiznastic: | it's like I'm late to the party, and the police came to bust it up, but really it's more like the MC decided he wasn't getting enough out of the party, and decided to leave. |
| [11:39:30] | QQQQ: | shnastybiznastic: I can relate to that somehow |
| [11:39:33] | laga: | QQQQ: ah, you are back :) |
| [11:40:31] | TSCHAK: | shnastybiznastic, if you read the various threads going around, there are some things being attempted.. you just have to read between the threads |
| [11:41:03] | Dibblah: | What? You can read the weft? |
| [11:41:14] | shnastybiznastic: | I saw that the consensus is scraping so far. |
| [11:41:28] | shnastybiznastic: | Dibblah: that was fantastic |
| [11:41:41] | Dibblah: | You do realise that consensus means nothing, right? |
| [11:42:02] | Dibblah: | This is discussion with a commercial entity... |
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| [11:43:32] | shnastybiznastic: | Oh, I was talking about alternative methods to get listings, and screen scraping is the process that keeps getting thrown around as if it were some shell-script type answer to the problem. |
| [11:43:57] | HWL736: | i dont believe it sid is still unstable lol |
| [11:43:58] | HWL736: | rofl |
| [11:44:00] | HWL736: | ROFL |
| [11:44:01] | Dibblah: | It's also wrong. Should have been the warp :( |
| [11:44:30] | Dibblah: | Screen scraping is a (stupid) answer. |
| [11:44:42] | Dibblah: | It benefits noone. |
| [11:45:01] | TSCHAK: | well, there aren't many mythtv users that were around when that WAS how we were getting our guide data...but zap2it was being hit HARD by the barrage of html requests, so they made DataDirect as an....alternative....so they could meanwhile try and figure out just what in the hell we were doing with the service. |
| [11:45:02] | directhex|work: | HWL736, who'd have thought the one that's ALWAYS called unstable would be unstable? |
| [11:45:08] | laga: | HWL736: AFAIK, sid will never get stable. it's supposed to be that way. |
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| [11:47:33] | QQQQ: | laga: you knew I'd be back damnit. I can't fcuking stay away for the damn life of me |
| [11:47:51] | QQQQ: | it's very annoying |
| [11:48:13] | TSCHAK: | ZAP2IT IS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| [11:48:38] | laga: | TSCHAK: ZOMG |
| [11:48:56] | ** TSCHAK does his best Charlton Heston impression :-P ** | |
| [11:49:26] | ** Dibblah does his best "this channel is going to the dogs" look. ** | |
| [11:49:56] | shnastybiznastic: | Going? |
| [11:50:39] | shnastybiznastic: | nah, I appreciate all the help I've found here, but it's definitley... informal |
| [11:50:54] | TSCHAK: | man, i have to inject some humour, with all the brainfcuk going on in the digital HTPC world these days, I have to laugh, because otherwise I'd just go into the corner of a room, undress, curl up into the fetal position and suck my thumb. |
| [11:50:56] | laga: | it used to be better ;) |
| [11:51:44] | shnastybiznastic: | I like informal. it's a welcome change from the rest of the straight-laced world of freenode. |
| [11:51:54] | TSCHAK: | .... |
| [11:51:59] | TSCHAK: | straight-laced? |
| [11:52:27] | Dibblah: | Non-frilly, of course. |
| [11:52:29] | TSCHAK: | either I'm on every crazy channel on freenode, or you're only visiting the mormon chat rooms |
| [11:52:30] | TSCHAK: | :-P |
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| [11:52:42] | Dibblah: | From the days when lace was common on dresses, etc. |
| [11:53:03] | shnastybiznastic: | well, ubuntu and slackware are both pretty well regulated |
| [11:53:09] | Dibblah: | Not that I wear dresses, you understand. |
| [11:53:15] | QQQQ is now known as Juski | |
| [11:53:50] | laga: | #ubuntu is well-regulateD? |
| [11:54:01] | laga: | i was in there once.. *shiver+ |
| [11:54:55] | shnastybiznastic: | it's full of people, but they almost kicked me for relating a certain kernel patch to the output of a specific part of my anatomy |
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| [11:56:36] | laga: | interesting |
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| [12:06:00] | Ruleke: | lo folks |
| [12:06:02] | Ruleke: | lo Juski |
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| [12:29:32] | fryfrog: | sweet, my "kill frontend" button on my remote works, which means my "restart backend" button probably *also* works :) |
| [12:30:44] | laga: | my "kill zap2it" button worked, too |
| [12:31:27] | fryfrog: | bastard, so it was you :/ |
| [12:31:59] | SiD3WiNDR: | lol =) |
| [12:32:27] | fryfrog: | I'm a little afraid inside :/ |
| [12:32:49] | laga: | no worries |
| [12:32:58] | siXy: | fryfrog: why not just run a process to automatically restart the backend if it dies? |
| [12:33:00] | laga: | the developers will find a solution |
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| [12:35:38] | siXy: | its about 5 lines long and it means that if the backend dies when you are out your programs still get recorded |
| [12:37:58] | fryfrog: | siXy: yeah, i have something like that for my FE |
| [12:38:05] | fryfrog: | but my BE is actually pretty stable |
| [12:38:20] | fryfrog: | i *used* to restart it when the FE said it lost connection to the BE... |
| [12:38:31] | fryfrog: | but it turned out it was just the FE barfing |
| [12:38:38] | fryfrog: | I don't remember the last time I had to restart the BE :) |
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| [12:49:56] | ** Kevorkian crys ** | |
| [12:50:02] | Kevorkian: | no more zap2it .... |
| [12:50:43] | fryfrog: | everone is crying :( |
| [12:50:52] | fryfrog: | cept those euro benches who never had it :) |
| [12:51:38] | siXy: | uk_rt graber works great over here xD |
| [12:52:03] | siXy: | and if rt stops providing guide data there are other poeple who do too. |
| [12:52:24] | rsdvd: | EIT is even easyer :-) |
| [12:52:54] | Kevorkian: | I tried settign up eit .. but it doesnt seem to work for me |
| [12:53:02] | siXy: | EIT is pretty poor, in comparison |
| [12:53:24] | rsdvd: | for freeview eit is perfect (IMHO) |
| [12:54:09] | siXy: | rsdvd: try uk_rt if you live in the uk. you will never go back to ****itty old EIT i assure you :) |
| [12:55:46] | rsdvd: | SiXy : I actaully use both already – by Sky channels from from uk_rt and my freeview from eit....apart from some occasional data corruption on eit it seems to work fine.....and I don;t have to wait for a daily cron job to populate the data (also saves a bit on my bandwidth useage) |
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| [12:57:13] | siXy: | rsdvd: why wait for a day to populate? it grabs 14 days in advance so if you run it every day how are you waiting for a cron job? and RT gives far more detail and program information. but use whatever you want by all means |
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| [12:58:37] | jduggan: | problem with rt i found was that there's too much info for the osd |
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| [12:58:43] | rsdvd: | siXy : I have it running every mornign (4:00am) but if there is a change is will take 24 hours for the next cron job to notice....and if it fails (which it does more oftern than I would like) then eit is better |
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| [12:59:14] | rsdvd: | but as you say – both are eaqually good – so you take your choice |
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| [13:00:07] | siXy: | iirc you can press i to read it all. but tbh i only record films, for whihc the review is helpful if ive not heard of it. its the wife that records everything else, and she was decidedly unhappy when we had to use EIT when our net connection was down for a couple of weeks |
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| [13:01:46] | rsdvd: | the other thing that eit is better at is adding new channels as they are available and channel changes.....the recent re-numbering of sky channels has screwed my recordings up..............on freeview/eit it just sorts itself out |
| [13:05:25] | siXy: | yes that is true. EIT is nicer in that regard |
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| [13:19:59] | wastrel: | ahoy |
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| [13:21:17] | fxfitz: | Does anyone know why when I add authentication to MythWeb it gives me an index view of the folder instead of the MythWeb interface? |
| [13:21:54] | Kevorkian: | when you say "add auth" what do you mean ? |
| [13:22:25] | Kevorkian: | Did you modify the .htaccess file by hand ? |
| [13:22:47] | fxfitz: | I actually did it the other way using Apache. |
| [13:22:49] | wastrel: | i don't even know what mythweb is |
| [13:22:51] | fryfrog: | could you some how be removing the processing of php by apache? |
| [13:23:19] | fxfitz: | I don't know, I just followed the directions on the wiki. :( |
| [13:23:25] | Kevorkian: | something changed .. perhaps you set a new default file .. |
| [13:23:35] | fryfrog: | check out the directions that came with mythweb, they may be a bit different |
| [13:23:41] | fxfitz: | But when I take the authentication off, it works fine. |
| [13:23:52] | fxfitz: | fryfrog: I'm using Ubuntu. :( |
| [13:24:04] | Kevorkian: | please define "adding auth" |
| [13:24:32] | directhex|work: | replacing the default .htaccess presumably |
| [13:25:06] | fxfitz: | Kevorkian: Okay. What I did was edited the <Directory "/var/www/mythweb" and added the AuthType, AuthName, AuthUserFile, etc |
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| [13:25:47] | Kevorkian: | Well .. "something" is changing the default file served. |
| [13:26:27] | Kevorkian: | did you add or remove anything that has "index.php" in it ? |
| [13:26:58] | fxfitz: | Alright, well I'll bring it back to my original installation. How would I go about adding authentication the way I'm supposed to do it |
| [13:27:03] | fxfitz: | Kevorkian: There is no index.php. P:( |
| [13:27:05] | Kevorkian: | and just to test something .. can you click on the index.php in your listing and get what your expecting ? |
| [13:27:21] | Kevorkian: | no index.php ? |
| [13:27:28] | fxfitz: | Nope. Only mythweb.php |
| [13:27:47] | Kevorkian: | and clicking on that gives you what your expecting ? |
| [13:28:15] | fxfitz: | Kevorkian: No. It would say Database Error or something. I can't replicate it exactly because I just reinstalled MythWeb. |
| [13:28:30] | Kevorkian: | huh |
| [13:28:45] | Kevorkian: | but when you "turn auth off" all woks ? |
| [13:29:00] | fxfitz: | Kevorkian: That's correct. |
| [13:29:28] | Kevorkian: | link me these insturctions you followed |
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| [13:30:25] | fxfitz: | Kevorkian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . /mythweb_bug |
| [13:30:52] | fxfitz: | Kevorkian: Those aren't the instructions that I followed, however I think it might be a problem? What do you say? In the mean time I'll get you the instructions that i followed |
| [13:31:40] | fxfitz: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb |
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| [13:52:43] | fxfitz: | Kevorkian: Any ideas? |
| [13:53:20] | Kevorkian: | Sorry .. got pulled into something here .. |
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| [13:53:34] | Kevorkian: | whats the exact section on he mythweb page ? |
| [13:53:55] | fxfitz: | Kevorkian: You know, actually I have to get oing |
| [13:54:13] | fxfitz: | I'm sorry. I'll probably be back at some point today to figure out the problem. |
| [13:54:21] | Kevorkian: | np .. |
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| [13:54:31] | Kevorkian: | "something" is changing teh default file |
| [13:54:39] | Kevorkian: | thats .. oh ok bye |
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| [14:21:49] | cal: | isnt the tv guide supposed to come up on the channel your currently watching on livetv? mine always comes up on the first channel no matter what channel i am watching. |
| [14:22:41] | sphery: | And I'll bet that scheduled recordings don't work, either, right? |
| [14:23:00] | cal: | eh? yeah they work just fine. |
| [14:23:14] | sphery: | Multiple video sources? |
| [14:23:43] | cal: | i have the pvr-500 dual tuner card |
| [14:24:01] | sphery: | Don't know, then. |
| [14:24:38] | cal: | what key switches tuners again |
| [14:24:40] | cal: | i |
| [14:24:47] | cal: | ll try the guide on the other tuner |
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| [14:26:03] | cal: | well that was it... thats interesting |
| [14:26:21] | cal: | when i am on the first tuner, it works. on the second tuner, it doesnt. |
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| [14:33:27] | Ruleke: | are both linked to the same guide source ? |
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| [14:40:46] | armbar: | hello |
| [14:40:58] | cesman: | hello |
| [14:41:05] | Ruleke: | gday |
| [14:41:46] | armbar: | cant seem to find a way to get my qam channels setup to match the dd lineup. |
| [14:42:07] | armbar: | all my scanned channels have a # in them |
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| [14:44:05] | armbar: | I can't figure out how to map the XMLTV ID to the scan results |
| [14:44:32] | Ruleke: | there's a field in the database cmltvid |
| [14:44:36] | squish102: | armbar i did it this way, if i had the same problem as you |
| [14:44:36] | Ruleke: | xmltvid ratehr |
| [14:44:41] | Ruleke: | gah I can't type |
| [14:44:59] | squish102: | i went into channel editor in mythweb |
| [14:45:17] | squish102: | i matched the channel name/number to zap2it.com |
| [14:45:17] | armbar: | ok |
| [14:45:37] | squish102: | i hovered over the channel name in zap2it and looked at the url |
| [14:46:58] | squish102: | the number after stnNum= |
| [14:47:16] | squish102: | i punched into the xmltvid column on mythweb |
| [14:47:53] | squish102: | then i ran some form of mythfilldatabase and i got all my program info |
| [14:48:13] | Ruleke: | just match xmltvid and it'll be fine |
| [14:48:19] | fryfrog: | for me, what i did was create two "lineups" |
| [14:48:27] | fryfrog: | one that is from zap2it, the other was from scanned |
| [14:48:43] | fryfrog: | then i just looked at the info the the db of the zap2it listing, copied what i needed to the scanned from cable one |
| [14:48:47] | squish102: | oh, and then also had to make sure i selected all the channels in labs.zap2it.com |
| [14:48:49] | fryfrog: | also, zap2it is closing down on sept 1st |
| [14:48:49] | Ruleke: | I want to do the inverse, but never really succeeded... use the EIT data for my analogue card :) |
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| [14:50:42] | siXy: | Having an issue with the internal player, it refuses to play .vobs ripped by myths mtd daemon. stutters extremely badly. but it plays everything else fine, using sae settings, and the files themsleves are good, verfied with both mplayer and vlc |
| [14:53:19] | armbar: | squish102: I do not get any url when I hover over the channel in zap2ip. I check ie6 and ff. |
| [14:53:43] | wastrel: | hi |
| [14:55:02] | Ruleke: | ho |
| [14:55:40] | Ruleke: | cesman: I really plan to test the F1 release sometime to see if it's still got problems with via xvmc :) |
| [14:55:43] | Ruleke: | some day... |
| [14:56:36] | armbar: | how do I change 114#9 into a channel that matches zap2it's guide data again? |
| [14:56:55] | GreyFoxx: | use the channel editor and manually set the xmltvid and channel name/callsign |
| [14:57:32] | Ruleke: | or use mythweb, it's faster ;) |
| [14:57:36] | RyeBrye: | Any official announcements yet? |
| [14:57:44] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah I use the channel editor in mythweb to do mine |
| [14:58:12] | GreyFoxx: | RyeBrye: No. I thought something was gonna go on the site last night, but looks like noone put it up |
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| [14:58:58] | RyeBrye: | I noticed today when looking that the individual channels have way more future data than TMS provided... ESPN, for instance, has data until August 1st available for all of it's networks |
| [14:59:14] | RyeBrye: | (of course, that future data – especially on espn – probably fluctuates a great deal) |
| [14:59:33] | armbar: | GreyFoxx: so how do I map the xmltvid and channel name/callsign? I am in mythweb now and am looking at my channel edit page. |
| [15:00:04] | cal: | do those USB hdtv tuners work on mythtv? i was lookin at a pinnacle PCTV HD at best buy. |
| [15:00:31] | Merlin83b: | cal: if linuxtv.org say it works, yes. |
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| [15:01:32] | GreyFoxx: | armbar: I just used the editor to change the values on those channels to match the callsign and xmltvid for that channel |
| [15:01:37] | cal: | my tv has an hd tuner built in, but i see no way to use it with mythtv |
| [15:01:42] | GreyFoxx: | I determined what channel it actually was by tuning to it |
| [15:02:49] | armbar: | darn, I guess I will start running to them. ;) |
| [15:05:00] | ** jams awaits critical remarks from greyfoxx .... ** | |
| [15:05:50] | TSCHAKWerk: | cal: you can't. |
| [15:05:51] | Merlin83b: | cal: Er, no. |
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| [15:08:22] | armbar: | s/running/tuning |
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| [15:13:52] | siXy: | Having an issue with the internal player, it refuses to play .vobs ripped by myths mtd daemon. stutters extremely badly. but it plays everything else fine, using same settings, and the files themsleves are good, verfied with both mplayer and vlc |
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| [15:20:18] | directhex|work: | disable xvmc |
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| [15:21:40] | siXy: | directhex|work: tried that. no joy] |
| [15:22:11] | gratuit: | I just upgraded my mythtv install, now every channel above channel 13 is static. I can use ivtv-tune and cat /dev/video0 and get a picture from higher channels so I know the signal is fine, any ideas? |
| [15:22:27] | gratuit: | below channel 13 works fine |
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| [15:31:01] | siXy: | mplayer is an alternative option, but for some reason even if i specify -ao alsa:device=spdif -ac hwdts (or hwac3) I cannot get it to output DD/DTS streams to my amp for decoding |
| [15:31:14] | siXy: | yet this the internal player does flawlessly |
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| [15:39:41] | scurb: | anyone has experience from running xebian and mythfrontend? |
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| [15:54:45] | RyeBrye: | was mplayer compiled with dd/dts support? |
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| [16:15:07] | RyeBrye: | Man... One site I provide support for has a very strange idea of what security is... After connecting to their web-based VPN and having their system scan my machine for viruses – the only access they provide to get to their linux web server is a VNC connection that opens a window with nothing but a background image... |
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| [16:15:55] | Dagmar: | Looks like you'll just have to wait for the next VNC exploit before you can do anything that that machine. |
| [16:16:08] | Dagmar: | Good thing for you they're about due for another one |
| [16:16:10] | laga: | right-click? maybe it's a weird window manager |
| [16:16:13] | Merlin83b: | Middle click... |
| [16:16:23] | Merlin83b: | Was thinking along laga's lines :) |
| [16:16:39] | Merlin83b: | But long time since I used X for anything other than a dedicated Myth box :) |
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| [16:16:45] | Dagmar: | I'm just baffled why the hell they'd use VNC to a linux box |
| [16:16:50] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, me too |
| [16:16:57] | Merlin83b: | Easy to get clients for lots of platforms. |
| [16:17:04] | RyeBrye: | So is SSH |
| [16:17:05] | Merlin83b: | (and free clients, at that) |
| [16:17:14] | Merlin83b: | Hmm yeah, I was thinking graphical. |
| [16:17:15] | Dagmar: | Like, hello... OpenSSH has about a million times better reputation for safety |
| [16:17:26] | Dibblah: | SSH + X has serious disadvantages usability wise. |
| [16:17:31] | RyeBrye: | What's funny is it isn't even standalone VNC – it's in some Active X browser control |
| [16:17:37] | Dibblah: | It's OK for one-off things. |
| [16:17:41] | Dagmar: | I don't really have a problem with tunneling X over ssh |
| [16:18:00] | RaYmAn-Bx: | Dagmar: remote X is rather bandwidth heavy as opposed to VNC |
| [16:18:01] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Sure. On a LAN or reasonable connection. |
| [16:18:28] | Dagmar: | If I'm on a crap connection, I generally don't expect to even try to use a remote GUI |
| [16:18:36] | Dagmar: | ...let alone tolerate the evil mouse lag VNC has |
| [16:18:50] | RaYmAn-Bx: | surprisinly, RDP works reasonably well over a crap connection |
| [16:18:56] | RyeBrye: | I can connect to their windows SQL server via an Active X – but I tried to SSH from that box into the linux webserver, and they have that connection blocked... |
| [16:19:05] | Dibblah: | Mouse lag? I usually don't play Quake that way ;) |
| [16:19:15] | Dagmar: | ...but considering I have used Evolution a number of times from a coffee house to my house over tunneled X, I don't think it's that bad |
| [16:19:38] | RyeBrye: | I bet that whoever set up this site has a door with a deadbolt blocking the entry to his kitchen from his dining room... |
| [16:20:01] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: ...and a broken kitchen window |
| [16:20:17] | RyeBrye: | :) |
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| [16:23:37] | Juski: | freenx is cooler than vnc.. it's almost like being there unless you expect spitting video performance |
| [16:23:42] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: The lag VNC induces on mouse movement on a clogged connection (which literally anything less than 128K tends to be) drives me batty |
| [16:23:45] | kazan: | any updates on the data direct situation? |
| [16:23:50] | Juski: | oh ffs |
| [16:24:03] | Dagmar: | Time to teach MythLogBot a new trick |
| [16:24:05] | Juski: | you'd think you lot had had a main artery severed or something |
| [16:24:17] | kazan: | um... considering DD is vital to the operation of mythtv |
| [16:24:22] | kazan: | for NA users |
| [16:24:24] | Juski: | no it isn't |
| [16:24:30] | Dagmar: | ...or maybe just 9 or 10 of us run an on-join-notify scripe |
| [16:24:30] | kazan: | yes, yes it is |
| [16:24:36] | Dagmar: | s/scripe/script/; |
| [16:24:51] | Dagmar: | Flat out pound clients entering the channel with "THERE IS NO NEWS." |
| [16:25:02] | Dibblah: | kazan: For the latest information, please read the mailing list. |
| [16:25:04] | kazan: | i was just asking for an update anyway |
| [16:25:04] | Juski: | if there was an update I think you'd have heard a collective sigh of relief by now |
| [16:25:08] | Dibblah: | Or the wiki. |
| [16:25:13] | Dagmar: | We'd have put it in the topic |
| [16:25:14] | Dibblah: | Or the tea leaves. |
| [16:25:16] | ** kazan dibblah i have like..11k unread messages :P ** | |
| [16:25:28] | Dagmar: | kazah: So unsubcribe from those porn-by-mail lists |
| [16:25:31] | Dibblah: | And that is my problem...? |
| [16:25:36] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [16:25:40] | Dagmar: | Solution: Evolution |
| [16:25:49] | Dibblah: | The window manageR? |
| [16:25:53] | kazan: | Dagmar: that's 11k messages ONLY from mythtv-users mailing list |
| [16:25:57] | Dagmar: | Evolution is a window manager? |
| [16:25:58] | ** kazan filters his mail into folders ** | |
| [16:26:06] | Juski: | Dagmar: by natural selection? they've got me on meds to stop me killing any more people |
| [16:26:24] | Dibblah: | kazan: If you can't figure out how to search your own folders... |
| [16:26:29] | Dagmar: | kazan: So? Learn to sort by arrival date or something |
| [16:26:30] | kazan: | Juski: i wouldn't have been around to hear that sigh considering i've been having a candlelit dinner with my wife, then sex, then sleep, then physics lab, then physics lecture |
| [16:26:38] | kazan: | dagmar: hehe it is :P |
| [16:26:42] | Juski: | TSWC |
| [16:26:43] | Dagmar: | Don't give us this limp-wristed "reeding mail iz 2 hard!" |
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| [16:27:12] | Dagmar: | I get 11K mail in about 15 days |
| [16:27:26] | kazan: | yup |
| [16:27:36] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: Wow! That is a slow link. |
| [16:27:39] | Dagmar: | Evo sorts it all nice and tidy |
| [16:27:40] | kazan: | mailing list annoys me because it's hard to follow thread of conversation when – harder than on a phpBB :P |
| [16:28:00] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: No, I mean 11,000 emails have generally arrived new to my mailbox in 15 days |
| [16:28:13] | Dagmar: | kazan: Stop using a crappy mail client. |
| [16:28:15] | Dibblah: | Dagmar: I sorta guessed that. |
| [16:28:31] | kazan: | i'm using thunderbird |
| [16:28:37] | kazan: | it threads... but email threads "Split" all the time |
| [16:28:47] | Dibblah: | No, they don't. |
| [16:28:50] | Dagmar: | Heck switch to using Gmail then |
| [16:28:53] | Dibblah: | Stupid people split them. |
| [16:29:15] | kazan: | exactly |
| [16:29:19] | Dibblah: | And there's only one real thread. |
| [16:29:22] | kazan: | much harder for stupid people to split a thread on a phpBB |
| [16:29:25] | ** kazan is trying to find that thread ** | |
| [16:29:30] | Dibblah: | And that's wandered off into the weeds. |
| [16:29:45] | kazan: | think i just found it |
| [16:30:13] | kazan: | i saw the gossamer-threads link the other day.. but i dun have it anymore |
| [16:30:14] | Dagmar: | I like to show off Evo's filtering to long-time Outlook users. :) |
| [16:30:16] | Juski: | oh hell. the begging emails are starting to come in |
| [16:30:25] | Juski: | NO! |
| [16:30:33] | Dagmar: | "Lewk! 2.4Gb of mail searched in 3.9s!" |
| [16:30:46] | Dagmar: | It's ludicrously fast. |
| [16:31:09] | Juski: | what little mail I get I can't get rid of fast enough :) |
| [16:31:10] | Dibblah: | If there's going to be any updates, search for krist, chris pet, etc. |
| [16:31:29] | Dibblah: | Errr... Those are the shortest substrings for the names. |
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| [16:31:31] | Dagmar: | Or just look for subject lines reading "OH SWEET MERCIFUL JESUS THANK YOU!" |
| [16:32:09] | kazan: | hopefully Isaac et al will be able to work out some kind of deal |
| [16:32:14] | Juski: | anyway hey you never know how well off you've been until you're not eh |
| [16:32:17] | Juski: | muhahahaha |
| [16:32:18] | ** kazan would be willing to pay Zap2it a reasonable price ** | |
| [16:32:21] | Dibblah: | Or even isaac rich... |
| [16:33:00] | Dagmar: | Time for P2P distribution of programming schedules, just to drive ISPs crazy |
| [16:33:01] | Dibblah: | Heck, even I can work out how to search by name with TB. |
| [16:33:04] | kazan: | lol dgmar |
| [16:33:06] | Juski: | for any of this to come as a kind of shock to anybody should be unheard of |
| [16:33:09] | kazan: | that would be kinda clever |
| [16:33:22] | Dibblah: | No, P2P would be dumb. |
| [16:33:23] | kazan: | juski: it comes as a half-suprise to those not paying attention |
| [16:33:29] | kazan: | Dibblah: i said "kinda" |
| [16:33:45] | Dibblah: | It comes as a complete surprise to those of us who don't really care ;) |
| [16:34:08] | Juski: | I'm not gonna say I saw it coming but I don't find it surprising at all |
| [16:34:33] | Dibblah: | How long till RT goes the same way, though? |
| [16:34:42] | Juski: | last time uk_rt went down for a few days I was a tad upset but at the end of the day you can't really moan much when something you don't pay for disappears |
| [16:34:43] | ** kazan really needs to do a QAM scan and find out how many unecrnypted QAM channels float about ** | |
| [16:35:04] | fryfrog: | i need to do the same thing kazan :/ |
| [16:35:08] | Juski: | oh wait that sounds something like theme tarballs or something |
| [16:35:22] | kazan: | fryfrog: i know golTV is coming through on unencrypted QAM |
| [16:35:23] | fryfrog: | i jsut hate having to visually hunt through like 300 channels to find the 20 that have video |
| [16:35:26] | kazan: | wonder what else is |
| [16:35:58] | Dibblah: | kazan: No porn, so it's not worth even looking. |
| [16:35:59] | Juski: | the lesson to take away from all this is to try not to take anything for granted :) |
| [16:36:14] | ben_goodger: | indeed |
| [16:36:19] | Juski: | he giveth, and he taketh away |
| [16:36:31] | kazan: | wish mythTV had some integrated tool for doing hybrid ATSC/QAM searches on tuners that support both |
| [16:36:37] | kazan: | it can only scan ATSC or QAM |
| [16:36:47] | kazan: | atleast for DVB-drivered cards like the ATSC-110 |
| [16:36:53] | kazan: | building a channels.conf by hand = the suck |
| [16:37:03] | Juski: | all it needs is your code contribution! |
| [16:37:08] | Dibblah: | And the wrong way to do it to boot. |
| [16:37:31] | Dibblah: | Does EIT type data exist in ATSC / QAM? |
| [16:37:36] | Juski: | Dibblah: nope |
| [16:37:45] | Dibblah: | Ah. Carry on, then :) |
| [16:37:49] | Juski: | well maybe sometimes, in some places... |
| [16:38:00] | Juski: | but it's not any kind of standard, or something like that |
| [16:38:17] | Dibblah: | Same in DVB. |
| [16:38:30] | Dibblah: | Most providers do... Sorta. |
| [16:38:41] | kazan: | Dibblah: it's supposed to exist on ATSC... think QAM too |
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| [16:38:46] | kazan: | though my mythbox never seems to try to use it |
| [16:38:51] | Juski: | virgin send the next 3 days' worth of info! |
| [16:39:07] | Juski: | maybe it's only info for that day |
| [16:39:17] | kazan: | i have enough projects on my own already juski |
| [16:39:20] | Juski: | and MAYBE myth just hasn't been coded to make use of it! |
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| [16:39:23] | kazan: | i don't need more on my plate |
| [16:39:31] | kazan: | plus... i've no expirience with this kind of code |
| [16:39:35] | Juski: | ahh but whining ain't gonna make it happen :-P |
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| [16:40:01] | Dibblah: | Would you like some enlightenment with your self-interest? |
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| [16:40:41] | fryfrog: | i see juski is back! welcome back! |
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| [16:40:51] | Merlin83b: | lol |
| [16:40:54] | Dibblah: | Hehehe. |
| [16:40:58] | TSCHAKWerk: | or....not |
| [16:40:59] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-P |
| [16:41:21] | fryfrog: | well, at least i got that out before he left |
| [16:41:53] | kazan: | Dibblah: would you like to change spacetime? |
| [16:41:59] | kazan: | Dibblah: i only have so many hours in the day |
| [16:42:15] | Dibblah: | Sure. So subcontract ;) |
| [16:42:18] | kazan: | with my other open source projects, my wife, my college classes, etc i don't have the time to fit in working on mythtv |
| [16:42:33] | kormoc: | using trunk + a air2pc for OTA ATSC, I was getting EIT data... |
| [16:42:48] | Dibblah: | Have you tried the 0.2 version of wife? I've heard it takes less time... |
| [16:42:50] | TSCHAKWerk: | it's amazing how much time $significant_other can take up |
| [16:43:08] | Dibblah: | As soon as you upgrade to 1.0, though... |
| [16:43:23] | kazan: | kormoc: i'm using .20-fixes with a Kworld ATSC-110 (uses DVB drivers – saa7133) .. get no EIT |
| [16:43:52] | Dibblah: | kazan: Have you set the 3 required options? |
| [16:43:57] | kormoc: | kazan, could be broke in your driver too |
| [16:43:58] | ** kazan likes some people's idea of getting google involved ** | |
| [16:44:00] | Dibblah: | (or so) |
| [16:44:08] | kazan: | Dibblah: probably not because i couldn't find any farking documentation on how to setup EIT |
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| [16:44:17] | TSCHAKWerk: | not ANOTHER data source that Google controls |
| [16:44:22] | Dibblah: | kazan: Yeah, because SoC worked _so_ well. |
| [16:44:25] | TSCHAKWerk: | Google is REALLY starting to scare the shit out of me. |
| [16:44:27] | AndyCap: | TSCHAKWerk: they pwn you already. :) |
| [16:44:34] | TSCHAKWerk: | AndyCap: yes. |
| [16:44:41] | Como|Lappy: | google owns the rights to your soul |
| [16:44:48] | TSCHAKWerk: | Google, No, We're not evil. Honest! |
| [16:44:49] | kormoc: | kazan, before getting pissed, you should search the documentation, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/EIT |
| [16:45:24] | Dibblah: | kazan: Or, ask google. |
| [16:45:43] | Dibblah: | Which gives the above as the first answer. |
| [16:46:02] | Dibblah: | And read alllll the way to the bottom. |
| [16:46:33] | ** kazan used the install docs instead of the wiki ** | |
| [16:46:41] | kazan: | putting documentation like that in the wiki is bad mojo |
| [16:47:31] | Dibblah: | Great! Where's your patch? |
| [16:48:40] | Dagmar: | At least they're not running commercials that say "Rule 34 – We can find it for you" |
| [16:48:52] | kazan: | Dagmar: ? |
| [16:49:21] | Dagmar: | Go to YouTUbe and search for "I finally found what I want" and look at the Ask.com commercial |
| [16:49:23] | kormoc: | kazan, the wiki is fast becoming the standard docs. |
| [16:49:31] | Dagmar: | ...the guy is searching for "chicks with swords" |
| [16:49:42] | Dagmar: | If that's not rule 34 propaganda I don't know what is |
| [16:49:46] | kormoc: | kazan, bad mojo or not, it's the nature of open source software |
| [16:50:58] | TSCHAKWerk: | Dagmar: rule 34 propaganda? |
| [16:51:04] | Dagmar: | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule+34 |
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| [16:51:50] | TSCHAKWerk: | ahhhhhhh |
| [16:52:17] | kazan: | Rules of the Internet |
| [16:52:21] | juski: | is everybody done whining about zap2it yet? |
| [16:52:24] | kazan: | are these like The Wizard's Rules (Sword of Truth) |
| [16:52:34] | kazan: | juski: are you done whining about people DISCUSSING zap2it |
| [16:52:36] | kazan: | nobody here was whining |
| [16:52:39] | Dagmar: | Except they're entirely accurate |
| [16:52:43] | juski: | yes you were! |
| [16:52:45] | Dagmar: | I've *seen things* |
| [16:52:45] | kazan: | no |
| [16:52:46] | kazan: | nobody was |
| [16:52:51] | ** kazan puts juski on ignore ** | |
| [16:52:52] | juski: | yes YOU were kazan |
| [16:52:54] | Dagmar: | So I don't search for those things, EVER anymore |
| [16:53:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | ok guys calm down. |
| [16:53:05] | juski: | NO |
| [16:53:07] | kazan: | juski's never polite |
| [16:53:22] | juski: | you get what you pay for! |
| [16:53:28] | RyeBrye: | Not always |
| [16:53:38] | RyeBrye: | I paid for a tent on eBay once, but I never got it :(( |
| [16:53:39] | juski: | ok then you get what you didn't pay for |
| [16:53:59] | RyeBrye: | It's been three years, and I still wait every day for the tent to arrive... but nothing |
| [16:54:04] | juski: | awww |
| [16:54:05] | kazan: | i wonder if we go back to screen scraping.. if maybe we could have a few websites that would scrap the others, general DBs, and output in DD-compatible XML |
| [16:54:17] | kazan: | RyeBrye: pwn |
| [16:54:18] | juski: | not much point in that |
| [16:54:19] | kazan: | +d |
| [16:54:20] | kazan: | heh |
| [16:54:30] | ** kazan always checks people's ratings first ** | |
| [16:54:47] | RyeBrye: | The guy had high ratings... but I guess he decided to "cash in" on his high ratings that week |
| [16:54:51] | juski: | going back to screen scraping means you'll lose episode numbers & all that jazz – stuff myth uses to better check for duplicated |
| [16:54:54] | RyeBrye: | his account no longer exists... etc |
| [16:54:54] | juski: | *duplicates |
| [16:55:08] | RyeBrye: | You can get episode descriptions still |
| [16:55:18] | RyeBrye: | it just takes thousands of more requests to do it |
| [16:55:39] | juski: | anyway the sadist in me is quite happy now |
| [16:56:03] | kazan: | <3 he Feist v Rural pwnage that went on in the thread |
| [16:56:24] | kazan: | yeah.. you basically have to spider their web page |
| [16:56:47] | juski: | better to do it by proxy & pass the info on |
| [16:57:02] | kazan: | which is why a set of servers spidering it (a set so they cannot simple IP ban easily) then pooling into a DB, then serving out DD-compliant XML to myth would be a possible solution |
| [16:57:04] | juski: | but again that's seriously naughty & will probably result in a big arms race nobody can win |
| [16:57:33] | juski: | change the layout data for every page? sure thing boss |
| [16:57:51] | kormoc: | until the people who run said service get sued to oblivion... |
| [16:58:48] | kazan: | oooh.. someone brought in the Sherman act into this discussion |
| [16:58:50] | ** kazan gets popcorn ** | |
| [16:59:04] | kazan: | kormoc: they can't sue google for caching their webpage |
| [16:59:14] | kazan: | kormoc: they post it publically.. they haven't got a leg to stand on |
| [16:59:16] | juski: | so er.. the internet hasn't so much been an information revolution from the point of view of making info available to more people – it's more been a revolution in people who *own* information trying to make a killing out of it |
| [16:59:21] | kormoc: | there's a difference between caching and redistributing |
| [16:59:27] | Dagmar: | That can, of course, quite easily tell Google not to cache the content. |
| [16:59:47] | Dagmar: | There are tags you can put in your web server for that, and Google's servers will heed them. |
| [16:59:55] | juski: | aren't their pages generated on the fly per request anyway? |
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| [17:00:15] | kazan: | google isn't legally required to respect those |
| [17:00:23] | Dagmar: | But they do. |
| [17:00:27] | kazan: | it's only considered a courteousy for a search engine to do so |
| [17:00:50] | kazan: | there is nothing forcing you to respect that, and they can't do jack |
| [17:01:02] | kazan: | if they brought cast against you for it they would loose and you could countersue and would win |
| [17:01:19] | kormoc: | the fact that tvguide pays for said data and you take it and redistribute it without said advertising that they put on it means you are removing revenue from them, Google doesn't do that, and when money is involved, they won't look the other way |
| [17:01:32] | kazan: | though.. according to Daniel TMS contacted Isaac BEFORE going public with the annoucement |
| [17:01:35] | kazan: | so it sounds like they want to work with us |
| [17:01:44] | kazan: | kormoc: doesn |
| [17:01:50] | juski: | when they're backed by a $40bn company they certainly won't look the other way .. rofl |
| [17:01:50] | kazan: | 't mean they have a leg to stand on in court |
| [17:02:04] | GreyFoxx: | kazan: Like a couple hours before at most |
| [17:02:12] | kazan: | there is serious incentive involved for them to work with us anyway... like a lot of users saying they'd be willing to pay a modest fee |
| [17:02:14] | kormoc: | kazan, actually it does. See the cases against the internet archive where they've been required to pull content |
| [17:02:17] | GreyFoxx: | but we are hoping to work something out |
| [17:02:26] | kazan: | GreyFoxx: the fact they did it at all says something |
| [17:03:02] | juski: | see – there are guys with your interests at heart trying to work it all out for you. lucky it's not left up to me :-P |
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| [17:05:24] | juski: | oh ffs. it can't be. not grey stubble.. ffs NO! |
| [17:05:27] | GreyFoxx: | At this point we are at the mercy of how fast they respond to our inqueries and of course also investigating other options |
| [17:05:33] | GreyFoxx: | juski: heh |
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| [17:06:27] | juski: | nowhere in the docs does it say that installing, using or helping people use mythtv will give you grey hairs. I'll sue! |
| [17:06:36] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: Is Isaac even "involved" with myth these days? :) |
| [17:06:36] | kazan: | someone posted a price... they have a contract with TMS for a subset of a data... it's $12k a month for all data for all stations in the US.... canada is extra |
| [17:07:04] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: Yes, he's just beeing working a lot and spending almost all of his time on that |
| [17:07:06] | kazan: | $12000/$5 = 2400 users |
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| [17:07:16] | kazan: | think we have 2400 users in NA willing to pay $5/month? |
| [17:07:17] | AndyCap: | For us foreigners. Does DD zap2it provide more than normal xmltv scrapers? |
| [17:07:19] | kazan: | welcome xris |
| [17:07:32] | kazan: | AndyCap: as i understand it, yes |
| [17:07:33] | kazan: | a lot more |
| [17:07:35] | GreyFoxx: | AndyCap: I it depends on your particular scraper, but usually yes |
| [17:07:36] | fryfrog: | kazan: plus you need $$$ for servers, $$$ for a pipe, $$$ for a facility :/ |
| [17:07:44] | kazan: | fryfrog: i know |
| [17:07:51] | kazan: | fryfrog: but each one of those is just adding users needed |
| [17:07:59] | dansmith: | fryfrog: people could donate space/bandwidth on servers |
| [17:08:05] | dansmith: | I know I could do that easily |
| [17:08:06] | kazan: | fryfrog: but the single biggest expense is the subscription to the TMS data |
| [17:08:12] | ** juski suggests a #mythtv-zap2it channel ** | |
| [17:08:13] | fryfrog: | What DD will hopefully provide to the dev team is how many mythtv users therea re getting dd, and maybe how high the bw is |
| [17:08:18] | GreyFoxx: | dansmith: that is not an issue, |
| [17:08:20] | kazan: | yup |
| [17:08:24] | fryfrog: | kazan: yeah, true |
| [17:08:25] | GreyFoxx: | the ONLY issue is source fo listings data |
| [17:08:30] | GreyFoxx: | nothing else is a concern |
| [17:08:38] | AndyCap: | been wondering why nobody published commercial xmltv data in any other country, since the users are more than just mythtv. |
| [17:08:41] | dansmith: | GreyFoxx: I know, fryfrogg mentioned the extra cost for hardware :) |
| [17:08:44] | kazan: | once you clear the hurdle of paying for the TMS data each month clearing the hurdles for the rest is trivial |
| [17:08:47] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: so BW is not a concern? |
| [17:08:51] | GreyFoxx: | no, it is not |
| [17:09:01] | ** dansmith actually *reads* the mailing list ** | |
| [17:09:03] | juski: | AndyCap: redistributing is usually a very grey legal area at best |
| [17:09:15] | fryfrog: | bw, hardware, etc *are* an issue... it is just probably a drop in the bucket compared to the cost to license the data |
| [17:09:16] | kazan: | 3k users * $5/month = $15000/month – that's $3k/month for collocation, bandwidth and hardware |
| [17:09:19] | AndyCap: | juski: yes, but that's where the for pay part would come in. licensing.. |
| [17:09:20] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: did TMS intimate who was abusing? |
| [17:09:27] | fryfrog: | and some group/person/company has to be willing to do all the behind the scenes work |
| [17:09:39] | kazan: | figure.. let's knock off $1k a month and call that the collocation and bandwidth costs |
| [17:09:42] | fryfrog: | mchou: no :( |
| [17:09:45] | kazan: | that leaves us $24k/year for hardware |
| [17:09:48] | juski: | AndyCap: uk_rt lets us use the data for ourselves as long as we don't redistribute it. and AFAIK nobody does, and they're sweet :) |
| [17:09:48] | Dagmar: | mchou: Probably their advertisers |
| [17:09:49] | AndyCap: | juski: but I have no clue who one would approach here in .no for example. |
| [17:10:01] | AndyCap: | juski: that's nice.. |
| [17:10:05] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: no names that I';m aware of |
| [17:10:10] | kazan: | if you could come up with solid numbers of subscribers provided by Zap2it... take it to a bank.. you could probably get a loan to run such a service |
| [17:10:21] | mchou: | lol |
| [17:10:27] | juski: | this has all been done to death already |
| [17:10:44] | AndyCap: | do or die then? :P |
| [17:10:48] | mchou: | amateurs with their business plans |
| [17:11:05] | kazan: | mchou: amatuers and their business plans producted google |
| [17:11:09] | juski: | projected turnover in year 5? |
| [17:11:10] | AndyCap: | One word: bankrupt, bankrupt |
| [17:11:11] | kazan: | produced* |
| [17:11:23] | ** AndyCap has been watching cocktail recently. :) ** | |
| [17:11:27] | mchou: | kazan: no, they bought in professionals |
| [17:11:50] | juski: | ebay didn't get to where it is today just by being 2 guys fresh out of college |
| [17:11:50] | mchou: | kazan: ever heard of Eric Schmidt? |
| [17:12:06] | GreyFoxx: | It's really gonna come down to how much they charge us for the data |
| [17:12:11] | juski: | it got part way there... |
| [17:12:15] | Dagmar: | It took lots and lots of fraud to get them where they are today |
| [17:12:21] | GreyFoxx: | people are talking to them and we are waiting for their responses |
| [17:12:22] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: who is "us"? |
| [17:12:27] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: ahhahah :) |
| [17:12:28] | GreyFoxx: | Us being the devs? |
| [17:12:32] | AndyCap: | ouch |
| [17:12:42] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: serious?? |
| [17:12:45] | GreyFoxx: | Yes |
| [17:12:52] | mchou: | that's screwed up |
| [17:13:03] | juski: | jesus this is starting to sound like devs care about users! |
| [17:13:09] | Dagmar: | Before ebay people had to wade through usenet listings to buy things that would be shipped to them broken, and packet with human feces |
| [17:13:20] | ** kazan looks up what dedicating hosting costs from his hosting provider ** | |
| [17:13:23] | GreyFoxx: | mchou: how so ? |
| [17:13:28] | mchou: | that's gotta be the lamest scheme I've heard |
| [17:13:39] | mchou: | charging the devs?? |
| [17:13:54] | kazan: | someone make a reasonable guess at the MAXIMUM monthly bandwidth you can imagine DD taking up for just mythtv users |
| [17:14:02] | AndyCap: | feather -> five chickens... |
| [17:14:02] | mchou: | makes 0 sense to me |
| [17:14:05] | fryfrog: | mchou: what??? |
| [17:14:05] | GreyFoxx: | Well, we'd be "buying" the data from zap2it, then prviding it to users for a tiny monethy or yearly fee |
| [17:14:16] | |Torg|: | why not just use EIT? |
| [17:14:20] | fryfrog: | mchou: no, i think he means that the mythtv devs would be the guys managing it |
| [17:14:25] | GreyFoxx: | oh |
| [17:14:26] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [17:14:27] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [17:14:35] | GreyFoxx: | that's what I meant : |
| [17:14:36] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but if TMS is looking to make happy with their advertisers, they just won't allow it at all |
| [17:14:38] | fryfrog: | if they didn't get enough money to pay for it, somehow i suspect they *won't* be taking on the fee themselves :p |
| [17:14:51] | Dagmar: | ...which I'm leaning on as the most likely scenario. |
| [17:15:07] | juski: | Dagmar: put the conspiracy theories away for now |
| [17:15:20] | juski: | "it's all down to MS! they're worried about vista!" |
| [17:15:25] | Dagmar: | But the flames are so pretty |
| [17:15:27] | fryfrog: | I imagine that the devs would say "okay, right... it is going to cost us $100,000 / yr to do this... so start donating and when we hit the "go value" we'll go for it!" or something |
| [17:15:47] | mchou: | that's just lame |
| [17:16:07] | juski: | okay mister business mchou – how would you go about it? |
| [17:16:15] | mchou: | if I'm the dev there is no incentive for me to get involved whatsoever |
| [17:16:16] | kazan: | Business Server I – AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 1GB RAm, RAID1 2x150GB (software raid), 2TB transfer, 100mbit throughput, .. $99/month |
| [17:16:23] | kazan: | for a managed server |
| [17:16:37] | Dagmar: | Yes, yes, there are plenty of us here who have colocation hosting |
| [17:16:44] | Dagmar: | We know quite well what it costs |
| [17:16:45] | GreyFoxx: | KAzam: hardware and connectivity are not an issue |
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| [17:16:47] | juski: | kazan: people are quite capable of looking up the price of cheap reliable hosts |
| [17:16:56] | kazan: | root server (you manage yourself) same hardware for the same price... but 8IP addresses |
| [17:17:01] | juski: | ffs even *you* are |
| [17:17:12] | kazan: | juski if you don't have anything nice to say to me then be silent |
| [17:17:16] | Dagmar: | Hell I work in a data center that does it |
| [17:17:21] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: Me too |
| [17:17:22] | juski: | kazan: you have /ignore |
| [17:17:30] | ** cesman is away: Gone away for now. ** | |
| [17:17:31] | kazan: | i took you off ignore incase you said something meaningful |
| [17:17:33] | cesman is now known as cesman_away | |
| [17:17:34] | GreyFoxx: | I've got free colo lined up already |
| [17:17:35] | kazan: | anyway |
| [17:17:38] | kazan: | awesome grey |
| [17:17:39] | GreyFoxx: | I need data :) |
| [17:17:55] | juski: | maybe I'm trying to get banned.. ever occurred to anybody? |
| [17:17:56] | AndyCap: | juski: it's not working. :P * kazan puts juski on ignore |
| [17:18:04] | kazan: | i was just pointing out that the hardware and bandwidth costs per month if the mythTV community ran a sub service wouldn't probably be significant |
| [17:18:05] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:18:20] | ** GreyFoxx ponders lunch ** | |
| [17:18:33] | Dagmar: | kazan: Try to keep up. We had that figured out quite some time ago |
| [17:18:34] | AndyCap: | Time is but an illusion, lunchtime doubly so |
| [17:18:55] | kazan: | i've been mucking around the mailing list and the web at the same time as being in here |
| [17:18:56] | kazan: | so sue me :D |
| [17:19:33] | ** Beirdo drafts a lawsuit ** | |
| [17:19:46] | kazan: | lol |
| [17:19:56] | ** TSCHAKWerk notes Beirdo is using SCO's boilerplate. ** | |
| [17:20:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | you might have a problem there, buddy. |
| [17:20:04] | kazan: | "Why are you suing the defendant?" – "Because he didn't keep up with the chat in our IRC channel!" |
| [17:20:09] | kazan: | lol |
| [17:20:18] | Beirdo: | "because he told me to" |
| [17:20:26] | fryfrog: | its a shame this zap2it thing is to late for SoC |
| [17:20:33] | juski: | roflmao! |
| [17:20:39] | juski: | best laugh I've had all day! |
| [17:20:41] | ben_goodger: | fryfrog: there's always 2008 |
| [17:20:49] | juski: | there's always 2050 |
| [17:20:50] | TSCHAKWerk: | has SoC actually produced anything of merit yet? |
| [17:20:52] | fryfrog: | i can't go w/o my listings until 2008! |
| [17:20:53] | jams: | fryfrog- ?? we want a finished product not 2 lines of code |
| [17:20:54] | juski: | nope |
| [17:21:01] | fryfrog: | not for myth? |
| [17:21:06] | fryfrog: | its done pretty well for gallery |
| [17:21:09] | juski: | fryfrog: nope |
| [17:21:20] | fryfrog: | i'd say about half of the entrants end up doing something useful |
| [17:21:28] | TSCHAKWerk: | fryfrog: gallery is the biggest hunk of turd, code and ui wise </opinion> |
| [17:21:40] | fryfrog: | and about half of those end up in it |
| [17:21:41] | ** kazan agrees ** | |
| [17:21:43] | juski: | so wtf is all the useful mythtv code from the SoC students? even the ones who were gonna stay on? |
| [17:21:50] | fryfrog: | 1.x yeah, 2.0 not so much |
| [17:21:53] | fryfrog: | er, 2.x |
| [17:21:59] | janneg: | there is some in libav& |
| [17:22:42] | fryfrog: | TSCHAKWerk: you are the biggest hunk of turd, code and ui wise! :p |
| [17:22:46] | fryfrog: | and so is your mom! |
| [17:22:47] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [17:22:54] | fryfrog: | also, your mom's dog's face |
| [17:22:55] | janneg: | and we will get this year probably more. the students for ffmpeg had to qualification tasks |
| [17:23:03] | Beirdo: | you peopel are making me laugh today |
| [17:23:15] | TSCHAKWerk: | fryfrog: "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it." -Voltaire ;-) |
| [17:23:25] | juski: | maybe a mythtv SoC could have a 'write a plugin' task to qualify |
| [17:23:27] | fryfrog: | TSCHAKWerk: is that one of the transformers? |
| [17:23:38] | juski: | then even if they bomb out at least we get a new plugin :D |
| [17:23:42] | TSCHAKWerk: | har har har |
| [17:23:44] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-) |
| [17:23:46] | kazan: | hehe |
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| [17:23:55] | fryfrog: | The first SoC for Gallery didn't go great cause we accepted way more students than we prolly should |
| [17:24:08] | fryfrog: | the second one, we took in only a couple and they did a good job hand picked out |
| [17:24:37] | fryfrog: | seems like the SoC students just... disappear sometimes :p |
| [17:24:45] | TSCHAKWerk: | well, they are students |
| [17:24:47] | fryfrog: | but we've had 2 or 3 that have joined the dev team |
| [17:24:48] | TSCHAKWerk: | they do have school |
| [17:24:50] | juski: | it's good to disappear |
| [17:25:03] | TSCHAKWerk: | either that, or they um... discover drugs and alcohol |
| [17:25:04] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-P |
| [17:25:05] | juski: | even if it's only for 1 blessed day |
| [17:25:07] | fryfrog: | well, i *imagine* they try to do it over the summer so there is less school :) |
| [17:25:14] | kazan: | DMCA.. soon coming to a country near you (canada) |
| [17:25:17] | TSCHAKWerk: | or even worse and more far fetched..they discover women :-P |
| [17:25:18] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-) |
| [17:25:30] | fryfrog: | ahahhaha |
| [17:25:46] | juski: | I'm still holding my nose at the prospect of meeting "smelly linux geeks who come to browse your stand" |
| [17:26:17] | ben_goodger: | TSCHAKWerk: the point of SoC is that the students are on holiday |
| [17:26:50] | TSCHAKWerk: | there is a disturbing statistic that those people who have felt most satisfied with what they've achieved....completely ignore the woman problem. |
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| [17:27:01] | deniidil: | fsck()ing DSL |
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| [17:27:11] | ben_goodger: | deniidil: wonderful technology, isn't it |
| [17:27:29] | Kazan: | oh.. mine likes to drop out intermittenly for unexplainable reasons |
| [17:27:30] | TSCHAKWerk: | note that, my woman is nowhere _NEAR_ this channel, so I feel safe saying that without having my d*ck taken away and put into a mason jar :-P |
| [17:27:42] | Kazan: | a cow farted in india and all that |
| [17:27:57] | TSCHAKWerk: | blew the butterfly off course, eh? |
| [17:27:58] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-) |
| [17:28:04] | Kazan: | yup |
| [17:28:09] | Kazan: | and that caused it to rain in denver |
| [17:28:27] | ben_goodger: | and snow like hell off eastern australia |
| [17:28:32] | ben_goodger: | or so I'm told |
| [17:28:59] | Kazan: | "canadian politicians demand DMCA"... "No you may not have a DMCA. Not yours" |
| [17:29:41] | TSCHAKWerk: | US businesses are pushing hard for "compatible" copyright and intellectual property protection. |
| [17:29:57] | Kazan: | yeah |
| [17:30:07] | ** Kazan celebrates corporatism ** | |
| [17:30:10] | |Torg|: | compatable to what, there wallets? |
| [17:30:23] | Kazan: | bingo torg... their wallets over all |
| [17:31:35] | Kazan: | or in german... ihren Geldboerse ueber alles |
| [17:31:59] | Kazan: | (obligatory ueber ales) |
| [17:32:09] | TSCHAKWerk: | i pledge allegiance, to the droves, of the shopping malls of america, and to their bottom line, with which we help. One nation, hopelessly asleep, consumerism, and compliance for all. |
| [17:32:45] | TSCHAKWerk: | (me? pithy? naaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh) :-P |
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| [17:33:23] | deniidil: | grr |
| [17:33:25] | deniidil: | dsl died again |
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| [17:34:02] | ** TSCHAKWerk waits for the men in the black vans, with the paper bags and duct tape to show up. ** | |
| [17:34:31] | Kazan: | you forgot the helicopters |
| [17:34:35] | Kazan: | it's all about the black helicopters |
| [17:34:54] | TSCHAKWerk: | and those damned underpants gnomes.. |
| [17:35:30] | Kazan: | fsck.. disconnect from eq |
| [17:35:55] | Kazan: | qwest sucks |
| [17:36:40] | TSCHAKWerk: | is qwest still using that god awful deliberately-dain-bramaged Actiontec modem/router? |
| [17:36:40] | juski: | TSCHAKWerk: orange jumpsuits etc.. ftw! |
| [17:36:56] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-D |
| [17:39:12] | Kazan: | yes they are |
| [17:39:14] | Kazan: | but i'm not |
| [17:39:18] | Kazan: | i have a Dlink DSL-2320B |
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| [18:03:48] | fryfrog: | http://digg.com/linux_unix/MythTV_about_to_lo . . . ting_service |
| [18:03:51] | fryfrog: | it hit dig |
| [18:04:08] | laga: | oh noes |
| [18:04:16] | charlieS: | what? OMG no. |
| [18:04:28] | fryfrog: | oops, digg :) |
| [18:04:36] | laga: | "top 10 reasons why mythtv will [die|survive]" |
| [18:09:11] | charlieS: | fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| [18:09:19] | ** charlieS hopes they figure something out.. ** | |
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| [18:14:35] | Kazan: | hmm |
| [18:14:41] | Kazan: | i'm usre it'll all get worked out |
| [18:15:23] | charlieS: | where does beyondTV get listings? |
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| [18:15:47] | Anduin: | If only there were some place where all of this had already been discussed. |
| [18:16:31] | fryfrog: | if only! |
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| [18:17:46] | Kazan: | lol anduin |
| [18:17:56] | Kazan: | though.. charlies does have a question that wasn't brought up on the mailing list |
| [18:18:10] | fryfrog: | i'm pretty sure it was, or the forums |
| [18:18:16] | ** GreyFoxx finally goes for lunch ** | |
| [18:18:17] | Kazan: | it wasn't |
| [18:18:18] | fryfrog: | though maybe they were mentioning sagetv or something |
| [18:18:19] | Kazan: | i read the entire thread |
| [18:18:32] | fryfrog: | they pay for a license, becuase they are a shareware/pay software afaik |
| [18:18:37] | Kazan: | didn't know there was a forum (As in phpbbb) for myth out there |
| [18:19:11] | fryfrog: | oh, sorry no the labs forum |
| [18:19:12] | fryfrog: | zap2it |
| [18:19:14] | Kazan: | ah |
| [18:19:20] | Kazan: | their forums are a bloody mess |
| [18:19:31] | fryfrog: | yeah, but there are 2 big threads on this |
| [18:19:44] | fryfrog: | one from the announcment, one from a user who psoted a poll to see who would pay for it |
| [18:19:51] | fryfrog: | last i saw it was at a ratio of like 200:3 |
| [18:19:58] | Kazan: | in favor of paying? |
| [18:19:59] | Kazan: | nice |
| [18:19:59] | fryfrog: | pay:wouldn't pay |
| [18:20:12] | Kazan: | well.. i need to log out of irc.. going to fourbox EQ |
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| [18:20:18] | Kazan: | later all |
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| [18:20:28] | fryfrog: | course, i expect a lot of people simply won't find out until it closes down on sept 1 |
| [18:20:40] | jams: | good point fryfrog |
| [18:21:01] | jams: | you know mythtv.org needs an rss feed for mythnews |
| [18:21:35] | TSCHAKWerk: | the people who answered no need to be hung by their scrotums. |
| [18:21:53] | fryfrog: | why? |
| [18:22:09] | TSCHAKWerk: | because :-P |
| [18:22:10] | TSCHAKWerk: | : |
| [18:22:12] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-) |
| [18:22:21] | fryfrog: | if they were serious about doing a real serivce, i doubt 500 people saying they would pay and *none* that woudln't would ... |
| [18:22:33] | fryfrog: | i mean, it would make it look like total bs |
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| [18:24:07] | saltybeagle: | I'm here to moan and bitch wrt zap2it |
| [18:24:15] | saltybeagle: | :-p |
| [18:24:54] | jams: | saltybeagle- moan and bitch is noted, no need to say anymore |
| [18:25:43] | charlieS: | "anymore" |
| [18:27:09] | laga: | i wonder if it'd help if i bitched about people who are bitching about zap2it |
| [18:28:34] | br14: | then they would bitch about you, and the circle would be complete! |
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| [18:30:13] | Beirdo: | !url wiki |
| [18:30:13] | MythLogBot: | wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ |
| [18:30:15] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [18:30:21] | Beirdo: | xris: your plugin is complete |
| [18:31:07] | clever: | just found the source of one of my sound card problems |
| [18:31:21] | clever: | audio playback is horibly messed up when mythtv is recording |
| [18:31:35] | clever: | but only thru that 1 card |
| [18:31:50] | sebrock: | anyone knows how to not print a running script? |
| [18:32:05] | sebrock: | i.e acutally not printing the info when running |
| [18:32:23] | clever: | > /dev/null |
| [18:32:29] | clever: | that hides its stdoutput |
| [18:32:39] | clever: | like scrpt > /dev/null |
| [18:32:55] | sebrock: | clever, so I just write that in the script? |
| [18:32:59] | br14: | > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| [18:33:13] | clever: | it has to go after a command |
| [18:33:20] | clever: | and only takes effect on the command its after |
| [18:33:24] | sebrock: | ok so the script is a fancontrol |
| [18:33:33] | clever: | br14's version also hides stderror |
| [18:33:40] | sebrock: | so like this: fancontrol /dev/null |
| [18:33:50] | clever: | fancontrol > /dev/null |
| [18:33:59] | sebrock: | aha, I see |
| [18:34:01] | sebrock: | thank you |
| [18:34:12] | clever: | fancontrol > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| [18:34:14] | clever: | would hide even more |
| [18:34:20] | sebrock: | what is that last bit? |
| [18:34:22] | clever: | even errors that you might have wanted to see |
| [18:34:31] | br14: | clever: yep, who wants to see errors? |
| [18:34:32] | clever: | redirects 2(error) into 1(stdout) |
| [18:34:40] | sebrock: | ok thnx |
| [18:34:49] | clever: | it would be confusing when it suddenly stops working and is still silent |
| [18:34:56] | clever: | and you forgot that you hid errors:P |
| [18:35:07] | br14: | ehh, debugging is always fun |
| [18:35:12] | sebrock: | ok |
| [18:36:02] | RyeBrye: | I usually use >> /dev/null instead of > /dev/null – I'd hate to overwrite null! ;) |
| [18:36:32] | jams: | sure cause sometimes you want to back and see what was written there |
| [18:36:34] | br14: | overwrite null, isn't that the way to open the portal to hell? |
| [18:36:49] | RyeBrye: | cat /dev/null >> /dev/null |
| [18:36:58] | RyeBrye: | that's the way to get the portal to hell |
| [18:37:06] | clever: | lol |
| [18:37:38] | clever: | it overwrites by truncating when opening the file |
| [18:37:46] | clever: | which is ignored because its null |
| [18:37:53] | RyeBrye: | (only works in Kernel 2.6 or higher – in 2.4 there was a bug that would cause all hell to break lose instead) |
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| [18:38:08] | clever: | lol |
| [18:38:21] | clever: | what exactly does the bug trigger?:P |
| [18:38:35] | RyeBrye: | I don't know for sure. Nobody ever returned who tried it... |
| [18:38:41] | Beirdo: | whatever |
| [18:38:43] | clever: | lol |
| [18:38:46] | br14: | isn't something about zap2it closing? |
| [18:39:02] | clever: | makes me want to try it:P |
| [18:39:03] | clever: | Linux clever.mine.nu 2.4.20–8 #1 Thu Mar 13 16:42:56 EST 2003 i586 i586 i386 GNU/Linux |
| [18:44:41] | clever: | !url wiki |
| [18:44:41] | MythLogBot: | wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ |
| [18:49:22] | RyeBrye: | !url free dirty pictures |
| [18:49:23] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword free |
| [18:49:25] | RyeBrye: | :) |
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| [18:55:53] | TSCHAKWerk: | RyeBrye: no mythtv pr0n |
| [18:57:16] | RyeBrye: | just making sure the LogBot wasn't hiding a stash somewhere |
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| [18:59:17] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta | |
| [18:59:31] | laga: | !url mythtv |
| [18:59:31] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword mythtv |
| [18:59:36] | laga: | MythLogBot: help |
| [18:59:43] | laga: | Beirdo: yay :) |
| [18:59:51] | Beirdo: | !trout laga |
| [18:59:51] | ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [18:59:54] | stuarta: | !url laga |
| [18:59:54] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword laga |
| [19:00:02] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [19:01:32] | janneg: | !url MythLogBot |
| [19:01:32] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword MythLogBot |
| [19:01:45] | GreyFoxx: | + |
| [19:01:54] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:01:56] | Beirdo: | jeez |
| [19:02:04] | Beirdo: | well, I haven't defined many yet |
| [19:02:05] | Beirdo: | !logs |
| [19:02:11] | Beirdo: | !url logs |
| [19:02:11] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [19:02:18] | Beirdo: | !trout Beirdo dumbass |
| [19:02:18] | ** MythLogBot slaps Beirdo with a dumbass trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [19:02:20] | laga: | !rtfm |
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| [19:02:24] | laga: | !url rtfm |
| [19:02:24] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword rtfm |
| [19:02:35] | stuarta: | now that's useful, i can never remeber where the logs are :) |
| [19:02:43] | Beirdo: | you can also do |
| [19:02:47] | Beirdo: | !notice |
| [19:02:47] | MythLogBot: | This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [19:02:59] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [19:03:13] | Beirdo: | also put in |
| [19:03:16] | Beirdo: | !url google |
| [19:03:16] | MythLogBot: | google: http://www.google.com/ |
| [19:03:19] | Beirdo: | and |
| [19:03:22] | Beirdo: | !url faq |
| [19:03:22] | MythLogBot: | faq: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/ |
| [19:03:40] | stuarta: | :) |
| [19:03:41] | Beirdo: | I need to add a "list" method |
| [19:03:43] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [19:04:09] | stuarta: | so how's the puppy? or should i say young dog? |
| [19:04:36] | Beirdo: | she's such a good doggie... most of the time |
| [19:04:47] | Beirdo: | she does like to crunch on plastic cups though |
| [19:05:00] | stuarta: | have teeth, must chew |
| [19:05:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, pretty much |
| [19:05:25] | Beirdo: | am Lab mix, must chew |
| [19:05:51] | Beirdo: | but as long as it's just crunchy plastic cups, we'll live |
| [19:06:02] | clever: | while trying to debug a problem with my sound card |
| [19:06:06] | clever: | i started up xawtv |
| [19:06:07] | Beirdo: | she's only destroyed 2 pairs of shoes so far (since last October)... |
| [19:06:14] | Beirdo: | one of mine, one of my wife's |
| [19:06:16] | stuarta: | bones are good |
| [19:06:18] | clever: | to see if its a combination of the framegrabber and the sound card |
| [19:06:30] | clever: | xawtv spat out game over and the video card crashed:P |
| [19:06:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, we keep her well supplied with rawhide and stuff |
| [19:06:38] | stuarta: | ouchy |
| [19:07:06] | clever: | but i can still access it thru putty so the system itself is fine |
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| [19:07:42] | clever: | i'll try posting the video board |
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| [19:07:55] | clever: | if i can remember the damn cmd:P |
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| [19:09:25] | clever: | vbetool post has semi fixed it |
| [19:09:32] | clever: | its text now instead of garbage |
| [19:10:30] | stuarta: | anyone got any ideas why dvdauthor would get stuck with mytharchive? |
| [19:11:05] | stuarta: | it basically just sits there and does naff all |
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| [19:11:45] | laga: | stuarta: i can't offer help, but if you're desperate for getting that DVD burned, you could try kmediafactory |
| [19:12:01] | stuarta: | you can't burn if you haven't got an iso |
| [19:12:11] | laga: | you can master a new one ;) |
| [19:12:23] | stuarta: | it's supposed to be assembling a master :( |
| [19:12:36] | janneg: | laga are you sure that kmediafactory doesn't use dvdauthor too |
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| [19:13:00] | janneg: | it's probably a problem with one of the mpegs |
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| [19:13:31] | stuarta: | it's a straight recording, no menus, no intros |
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| [19:14:06] | laga: | janneg: kmediafactory uses dvdauthor as well. i assumed the problem was with the dvdauthor config file created by mytharchive |
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| [19:18:06] | janneg: | if there's a problem with the menu xml it will stop immediately |
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| [19:18:51] | stuarta: | i'd be happy if it stopped and barfed |
| [19:19:06] | stuarta: | it just sits there and doesn't do anything |
| [19:19:20] | laga: | stuarta: there are two log files for mytharchive, both in your temporary directory. is anything useful in there? |
| [19:19:38] | stuarta: | not so far, nothing in the logs |
| [19:19:51] | stuarta: | looking at everything else see what i can find |
| [19:19:54] | Mr_Grieves_: | Is there a good howto on setting up a frontend on a separate machine from the backend? I've been wrestling with it for hours with no luck :( It keeps telling me it can't connect to the remote sql server |
| [19:20:09] | Mr_Grieves_: | s/luc/luck/ |
| [19:20:11] | stuarta: | Mr_Grieves_: you specifed the backend by name didn't you |
| [19:20:16] | fryfrog: | sounds like it can't connect to the remote sql server |
| [19:20:24] | Mr_Grieves_: | no; ip address |
| [19:20:36] | ** stuarta crosses off idea #1 ** | |
| [19:20:44] | fryfrog: | you could try "mysql -u <user> -p -h <ip of server> <db name> |
| [19:20:49] | fryfrog: | from the frontend |
| [19:21:03] | stuarta: | on the sql box do a netstat -tan | grep 3306 |
| [19:22:07] | Mr_Grieves_: | fryfrog: That gives me "ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.0.102' (111)" for all users, even root |
| [19:22:41] | stuarta: | my bet is mysql is only listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| [19:23:02] | RyeBrye: | or maybe his users are set up to only be able to connect from localhost |
| [19:23:09] | RyeBrye: | by default can users connect from remote? |
| [19:23:15] | praet: | no |
| [19:23:21] | stuarta: | not normally these days |
| [19:23:25] | Mr_Grieves_: | stuarta: you're right |
| [19:23:36] | Mr_Grieves_: | how can I fix that? |
| [19:23:59] | stuarta: | in /etc/my.cnf there will be a line like bind_address 127.0.0.1 |
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| [19:24:11] | fryfrog: | or maybe uh, "network no"? |
| [19:24:28] | stuarta: | most of them bind to localhost these days |
| [19:24:34] | stuarta: | but that's also possible |
| [19:24:52] | Mr_Grieves_: | so I want to add or change one for 192.168.0.102? |
| [19:24:54] | praet: | GRANT USAGE ON *.* to 'user'@'host' IDENTIFIED BY 'newpassword'; |
| [19:25:00] | praet: | FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [19:25:10] | stuarta: | praet: you are a few steps ahead... |
| [19:25:19] | praet: | oh my bad stuarta |
| [19:25:31] | stuarta: | Mr_Grieves_: yes change it to the ip of your backend |
| [19:25:58] | Mr_Grieves_: | ok |
| [19:26:19] | stuarta: | and restart mysql |
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| [19:27:17] | Mr_Grieves_: | ok |
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| [19:28:16] | stuarta: | now, as praet said, have you created an appropriate user that is allow access to the DB remotely |
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| [19:36:37] | Beirdo: | !url – list |
| [19:36:37] | MythLogBot: | faq google logs wiki |
| [19:36:40] | Beirdo: | there :) |
| [19:37:01] | laga: | Beirdo: how can one teach it urls? |
| [19:37:10] | Beirdo: | by putting them into the database |
| [19:37:16] | laga: | oh :( |
| [19:37:26] | RyeBrye: | I always forget the URL for google.... handy to have a bot that remembers it for me! |
| [19:37:27] | RyeBrye: | !url google |
| [19:37:27] | MythLogBot: | google: http://www.google.com/ |
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| [19:38:44] | Mr_Grieves_: | I keep getting "ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.0.100' to database 'mythconverg'" |
| [19:39:08] | Mr_Grieves_: | after: GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO 'mythtv'@'192.168.0.100' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv'; |
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| [19:39:27] | Mr_Grieves_: | FLUSH PRIVILEGES; |
| [19:39:36] | Mr_Grieves_: | and restart mysql |
| [19:40:03] | Hausberg: | is anybody fit with alsa? I somehow lost my surround sound or my configuration from mythtv and I just can't remember how I did it |
| [19:40:14] | RyeBrye: | mysql -u mythv -p -pretty-please -pretty-please |
| [19:40:14] | Hausberg: | now I am manually trying to trace it back |
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| [19:41:26] | Hausberg: | mplayer dvd:// -ao alsa:device=surround51 gives me just stereo sound ? and I had a recollection it was a correct formulation |
| [19:41:54] | Mr_Grieves_: | RyeBrye: didn't work :) |
| [19:42:08] | laga: | Hausberg: are you "jykke" from de.mythtvtalk.com? |
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| [19:42:25] | RyeBrye: | mysql -u mythv -p -do-this-or-I-rm-rf-you...-you-piiece-of-crap! sometimes works |
| [19:42:31] | Hausberg: | laga yes |
| [19:42:33] | RyeBrye: | (with one i though) |
| [19:42:47] | laga: | Hausberg: :) you should ask in #mplayer |
| [19:42:49] | Mr_Grieves_: | :) |
| [19:42:53] | stuarta: | well that's not really gunna help |
| [19:42:57] | laga: | Hausberg: there is also a german mythtv channel at #mythtv-de |
| [19:43:28] | Hausberg: | laga it does not really matter whether it is mplayer or xine I have just forgotten that bit and no german is not necessary ... |
| [19:43:36] | stuarta: | Mr_Grieves_: mysql -h 192.168.0.100 -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
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| [19:44:42] | Mr_Grieves_: | stuarta: ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.0.100' (111) |
| [19:45:08] | Mr_Grieves_: | the server is on 102, should I use that for the -h parameter? |
| [19:45:11] | RyeBrye: | Can you login as that user on the database? |
| [19:45:15] | stuarta: | yes |
| [19:45:17] | RyeBrye: | Yes |
| [19:45:22] | RyeBrye: | errr I meant server |
| [19:45:23] | clever: | -h is to give it the host/server |
| [19:45:51] | Beirdo: | guh |
| [19:46:00] | Beirdo: | now it's time to work on the autoconf stuff |
| [19:46:02] | Mr_Grieves_: | RyeBrye: yes. |
| [19:46:06] | Beirdo: | what fun |
| [19:46:48] | Mr_Grieves_: | using -h 192.168.0.102: ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'192.168.0.100' to database 'mythconverg' |
| [19:46:50] | RyeBrye: | If you STILL can't get that crap working, you can connect to the backend via ssh tunnels – but that's kind of a pain to set up a frontend that way because you'd have to open the tunnel each time before you opened it |
| [19:47:29] | clever: | are you giving it a -p |
| [19:47:46] | clever: | -pmythtv should cause it to use the password mythtv |
| [19:47:56] | Mr_Grieves_: | is there a way to check that the " GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO 'mythtv'@'192.168.0.100' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv';" is working right? |
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| [19:48:16] | Mr_Grieves_: | clever: yup. It's still not working. |
| [19:48:28] | clever: | mysql -u mythtv -h SERVER -pmythtv mythconverg |
| [19:48:30] | stuarta: | might wanna GRANT ALL ON.... |
| [19:48:39] | sphery: | If you give a million monkeys computers and subscriptions to mythtv-users list, eventually they'll almost surely type a program listing. |
| [19:48:40] | clever: | yeah that may help:P |
| [19:49:25] | clever: | id grant it on mythconverg.* |
| [19:49:32] | RyeBrye: | ssh -L 3307:192.168.0.102:3306 username@192.168.0.102 |
| [19:49:34] | clever: | so the other databases(if any) are protected |
| [19:49:40] | RyeBrye: | mysql -u username -p -h 127.0.0.1 -P 3307 databasename |
| [19:49:45] | RyeBrye: | That will get you in :) |
| [19:49:51] | RyeBrye: | (doesn't fix the problem, of course) |
| [19:49:54] | clever: | RyeBrye: yeah but thats more complex |
| [19:50:00] | stuarta: | just complicates it :) |
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| [19:53:39] | stuarta: | dammit, which package contains mplex... |
| [19:54:56] | laga: | mjpegtools: usr/bin/mplex |
| [19:55:01] | laga: | apt-file search ... |
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| [19:55:33] | stuarta: | dammit again, only fire trucking package mentioning mplex that i didn't install |
| [19:55:42] | stuarta: | even tho i meant to |
| [19:55:59] | stuarta: | right, that should sort out my dvd author issue. |
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| [20:04:46] | RyeBrye: | Mr_Grieves_ you still here? |
| [20:05:34] | Mr_Grieves_: | yup. It's working now. Now I'm just playing around with sound :) thanks everyone |
| [20:06:03] | RyeBrye: | Did you do it over SSH tunnels? |
| [20:06:19] | RyeBrye: | That's not exactly the easiest way to do it... you might still want to get it fixed so you can do it the easy way in the future |
| [20:06:30] | laga: | hm |
| [20:06:34] | laga: | oops, wrong channel |
| [20:06:41] | RyeBrye: | yeah, no hm's allowed here |
| [20:06:58] | laga: | !trout RyeBrye |
| [20:06:58] | ** MythLogBot slaps RyeBrye with a trout on behalf of laga... ** | |
| [20:07:07] | RyeBrye: | ouch |
| [20:07:18] | RyeBrye: | !trout MythLogBot |
| [20:07:18] | ** MythLogBot slaps MythLogBot with a trout on behalf of RyeBrye... ** | |
| [20:07:26] | keith4: | hmm |
| [20:07:27] | Mr_Grieves_: | nope. got it working through just running mythfrontend. I had some problems in the database on the server end :) |
| [20:07:37] | RyeBrye: | oh, ok.. good |
| [20:07:41] | keith4: | someone fill me in on this zap2it debacle? |
| [20:07:57] | RyeBrye: | zap2it sayz; after 9–1 no data 4 u |
| [20:08:08] | RyeBrye: | Mythtv community says: OMG!!!11! SKY IZ FALLING! |
| [20:08:51] | RyeBrye: | Devs say: Sky not falling, STFU, wait for us to tell you when it falls |
| [20:08:53] | RyeBrye: | (basically) |
| [20:08:58] | stuarta: | well only those in the US |
| [20:09:07] | stuarta: | they've had really good data for ages. |
| [20:09:15] | stuarta: | now they'll just be like the rest of us |
| [20:09:27] | laga: | heh |
| [20:09:57] | sphery: | we will never be like you! ;) |
| [20:10:02] | RyeBrye: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Data_Direct |
| [20:10:11] | RyeBrye: | There is apparently a more detailed explanation on the wiki now |
| [20:10:15] | ** stuarta sighs in relief ** | |
| [20:10:42] | ** kslater thinks we should have a team of volunteer monkeys typing in the guide data from the Sunday paper.. ** | |
| [20:11:27] | kslater: | at least then, every user could contribute |
| [20:11:30] | kslater: | :-) |
| [20:11:47] | sphery: | all the monkeys are busy posting to the "Zap2it Labs Shutting Down?" thread. |
| [20:12:12] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. that is so two days ago |
| [20:12:27] | RyeBrye: | Anyone see that movie – JFK – about the cuban missle crisis? |
| [20:12:34] | RyeBrye: | This is like that all over again |
| [20:12:40] | RyeBrye: | (minus the nuclear threat, of course) :) |
| [20:13:24] | sphery: | how do you know there's no nuclear threat here? |
| [20:13:55] | kslater: | zap2it has gone nuclear |
| [20:13:56] | sphery: | Hmmm. Some guys in trenchcoats driving a black sedan just pulled up in front of my house. |
| [20:14:06] | stuarta: | hehe |
| [20:14:29] | beata--: | sphery guns drawn? |
| [20:14:58] | stuarta: | maybe they've nicked his computer. |
| [20:14:59] | keith4: | i'd be willing to pay a little bit for zap2it |
| [20:15:14] | keith4: | not *too* much... but a little |
| [20:15:40] | sphery: | This is sphery. I was not apprehended. This is really me... |
| [20:16:36] | zo0m: | id pay if they had a guarantee of service and a bit more announcement about problems and resolutions etc |
| [20:16:52] | zo0m: | the crap that happened in april was so a precursor to this |
| [20:16:53] | RyeBrye: | I'd pay if they would watch the shows for me and tell me if they sucked |
| [20:16:55] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [20:16:59] | keith4: | heh |
| [20:17:07] | keith4: | zo0m: which crap in april? |
| [20:17:19] | keith4: | oh |
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| [20:17:24] | zo0m: | when guide data busted for like 4 weeks almost |
| [20:17:25] | ** keith4 finishes reading the wiki page ** | |
| [20:17:28] | zo0m: | no announcement, nothing |
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| [20:18:14] | laga: | whine whine |
| [20:18:41] | zo0m: | that incident made this alot less surprising |
| [20:18:47] | sphery: | Vista Home Premium MSRP is $239USD (basically Vista Home Basic + Media Center Edition) and Vista Ultimate MSRP is $399USD (basically Vista Home Premium (including MCE) + Vista Business). I think Myth would be a steal even at those prices. |
| [20:18:58] | zo0m: | oh well no worries, we all have microsoft media center |
| [20:19:02] | zo0m: | to fall back on |
| [20:19:02] | zo0m: | haha |
| [20:19:10] | Beirdo: | HAH |
| [20:19:10] | keith4: | i would consider paying for (and hacking) a tivo, rather than MCE |
| [20:19:26] | RyeBrye: | I was thinking of running MCE in VMware and vampiring guide data out of it :) |
| [20:19:29] | keith4: | in fact, i'd but an apple TV thing before i'd consider MCE |
| [20:19:32] | zo0m: | i'll write a scraper way before mce or tivo heh |
| [20:19:33] | Beirdo: | you think $240US would make MythTV a "steal"??? |
| [20:19:37] | fryfrog: | And now Tivo has their cable card one, i think? |
| [20:19:42] | keith4: | RyeBrye: that's not a bad idea |
| [20:19:44] | Beirdo: | do you work for Microsoft or something? |
| [20:19:48] | fryfrog: | series 3 i guess? |
| [20:20:01] | RyeBrye: | The cabelcard one hasn't been hacked yet, afaik |
| [20:20:10] | RyeBrye: | and it has some crazy protection on it to prevent hacking |
| [20:20:10] | sphery: | No. Just think that if Vista Ultimate is worth $399, Myth is worth much more... |
| [20:20:17] | Beirdo: | that's a big if |
| [20:20:20] | zo0m: | but myth is not ultimate |
| [20:20:23] | RyeBrye: | Well... myth isn't exactly an operating syste |
| [20:20:24] | RyeBrye: | m |
| [20:20:26] | Beirdo: | Vista Ultimate isn't "worth" $399 |
| [20:20:28] | sphery: | (I'm taking the $399 as a big fat granted.) |
| [20:20:29] | fryfrog: | yeah, sure if it came pre-setup or had some sort of an easy install :p |
| [20:20:30] | zo0m: | ultimate is an extra 25% right there |
| [20:20:46] | zo0m: | vista isnt worth 10$ honestly. |
| [20:20:56] | kslater: | Vista is worth whatever people lay on the table for it. |
| [20:20:56] | zo0m: | there's nothing wrong with xp :P |
| [20:21:01] | kslater: | that's the definition |
| [20:21:07] | Beirdo: | no, kslater, it's not worth it |
| [20:21:11] | Beirdo: | that's what it costs |
| [20:21:11] | ServerSage: | zo0m: Vista isn't *that* bad. |
| [20:21:21] | ServerSage: | But I agree, it's not worth $400. |
| [20:21:27] | zo0m: | serversage: what must have feature does it have over xp? |
| [20:21:33] | kslater: | right and to the person willing to part with that much dough, that's it's value at that time |
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| [20:21:42] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:21:54] | Beirdo: | whatever you wish to think... MS gumby ;) |
| [20:21:56] | kslater: | I wouldn't give you $5 for a copy |
| [20:21:59] | ServerSage: | zo0m: I didn't say it had any must have features. You said it wasn't worth $10. I would disagree. |
| [20:22:02] | Beirdo: | neither would I |
| [20:22:05] | sphery: | RyeBrye: Vista isn't an operating system, either. There's no such thing (despite MS's claims to the opposite). There is a kernel and there are applications... Nothing more. |
| [20:22:14] | kslater: | but I work with a bunch of fanboys that would |
| [20:22:14] | Beirdo: | I paid for XP Pro, just to be legal |
| [20:22:22] | ServerSage: | I paid for XP and Vista. |
| [20:22:36] | Beirdo: | the kernel + applications is the operating system |
| [20:22:44] | zo0m: | ServerSage – but thats exactly why i say its not worth 10$, it doesnt offer anything over xp really. the *only* part of vista that might remotely save its ass from a complete sales failure is dx10 |
| [20:22:48] | fryfrog: | I know a guy who got two copies of Vista from a friend of his taht worked at MS for very reasonable price |
| [20:22:51] | fryfrog: | i'd pay that for it :) |
| [20:22:53] | Beirdo: | maybe not by original definitions perhaps |
| [20:22:55] | kslater: | I have legal copies of XP Pro, but I didn't buy them |
| [20:23:07] | ServerSage: | fryfrog: Thats how I got it. $45/copy of vista ultimate. |
| [20:23:17] | fryfrog: | yar, now *that* i would pay :) |
| [20:23:24] | Beirdo: | ServerSage, not exactly kosher, I bet |
| [20:23:27] | sphery: | But if you say kernel + applications, where's the boundary? There's no way to define a boundary, which is why MS used that argument... |
| [20:23:31] | fryfrog: | well, actually not until i got a new pc |
| [20:23:36] | ServerSage: | Beirdo: 100% Kosher. Just can't sell it. |
| [20:23:37] | fryfrog: | cause vista would suck on my current one :/ |
| [20:23:41] | sphery: | So, the only true boundary is between kernel and app. |
| [20:23:46] | zo0m: | i got my winxp pro copy for 20$ through a friend that works at m$ heh |
| [20:23:49] | zo0m: | yay company store |
| [20:24:03] | sphery: | didn't a bunch of MS people get fired for that? |
| [20:24:10] | ServerSage: | sphery: They were selling it. |
| [20:24:15] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [20:24:16] | ServerSage: | I feel dirty with all this talk of MS. |
| [20:24:21] | zo0m: | hehe yeah they were turning it over for profit |
| [20:24:28] | Beirdo: | selling/giving to friend in exchange for the cost... same thing |
| [20:24:51] | fryfrog: | Beirdo: no, they were selling hundreds or thousands of copies, for a profit |
| [20:24:52] | ServerSage: | sphery: They can give it away as a gift. Which is how I got it. |
| [20:24:52] | sphery: | One way deprives MS of profit, the other deprives MS of excessive profit. :) |
| [20:24:55] | Beirdo: | anyways, the hell with MS. |
| [20:25:01] | fryfrog: | ahhaha |
| [20:25:03] | keith4: | right |
| [20:25:05] | zo0m: | beirdo: actually i think its perfectly fine, since the program is called friends and family something or other |
| [20:25:06] | keith4: | back to myth |
| [20:25:17] | sphery: | keith4: /topic |
| [20:25:21] | sphery: | Oh, wait. ;) |
| [20:25:22] | ** ServerSage goes to take a shower to wash the MS off. ** | |
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| [20:25:26] | keith4: | heh |
| [20:25:28] | fryfrog: | they just wanna sink their teeth into more and more people, as best they can :) |
| [20:25:30] | keith4: | what would people be willing to pay... say, monthly, for good XML tv data? |
| [20:25:35] | zo0m: | ms isnt that bad, it has its uses. like to play games |
| [20:25:40] | Beirdo: | zo0m, likely still a clause in the license agreement saying that you give them the right to give you a cavity search should you install |
| [20:25:53] | zo0m: | Beirdo – hehe :) |
| [20:25:54] | fryfrog: | I'd give datadirect somewhere between $1 – $5/mo |
| [20:26:02] | sphery: | You just have to pretend to enjoy it. That freaks them out. |
| [20:26:04] | RyeBrye: | I thought the body cavity penetration was part of the install procedure |
| [20:26:05] | zo0m: | 5$/month is way too much |
| [20:26:12] | zo0m: | unless they go to 31day listings |
| [20:26:13] | fryfrog: | But for me, $5 is to high and I'd probably scrape if they charged that much |
| [20:26:13] | RyeBrye: | $20 a year |
| [20:26:16] | Beirdo: | "way too much"? |
| [20:26:26] | zo0m: | beirdo: yes. |
| [20:26:35] | Beirdo: | you realize that if you subscribed to TV Guide, it would be a lot more than that, right? |
| [20:26:37] | fryfrog: | I'd do $24/yr easy ($2/mo) |
| [20:26:48] | fryfrog: | Beirdo: yeah, and they'd send you a paper magazine every month |
| [20:26:52] | zo0m: | beirdo: and i can write a perl script in a few hours to do the job of 60$/year |
| [20:26:54] | fryfrog: | with articles, stories, etc |
| [20:26:58] | zo0m: | tough choice isnt it |
| [20:26:59] | keith4: | the wiki says that the myth devs have a rough idea how many people are using zap2it... |
| [20:27:05] | keith4: | does anyone have any idea what that number is? |
| [20:27:05] | sphery: | The problem is we have people running Myth on systems that can barely run the kernel without swapping ;) while others have 3TB storage with dedicated frontend and 2 dedicated backends... |
| [20:27:07] | fryfrog: | spiffy :) |
| [20:27:10] | RyeBrye: | "If you choose the monthly TiVo Package Payment Plan, your options are as follows: (a) Commit to the TiVo Package for three (3) years at $12.95 per month; (b) Commit to the TiVo Package for two (2) years at $14.95 per month; or (c) Commit to the TiVo Package for one (1) year at $19.95 per month. Promotional Pricing may be available from time-to-time." |
| [20:27:15] | sphery: | So, "how much" differs greatly for many. |
| [20:27:15] | RyeBrye: | Just for comparison |
| [20:27:28] | keith4: | sphery: i have two dedicated backends :-D |
| [20:27:38] | sphery: | me to (and I have the 3TB storage ;) |
| [20:27:39] | Beirdo: | sphery, yes, and some have more lineups than others too |
| [20:27:44] | sphery: | true |
| [20:27:44] | fryfrog: | RyeBrye: yeah, but that also gets you updates to your *tivo* and support for your tivo too |
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| [20:27:53] | RyeBrye: | True |
| [20:27:56] | Beirdo: | I would say charges would end up being based on the number of lineups at some point |
| [20:28:14] | sphery: | Beirdo: and that affects the numbers the devs got (i.e. some users have multiple accounts so they can get the same provider with different lineups) |
| [20:28:15] | keith4: | how about charging based on freqency of data downloading? |
| [20:28:29] | Beirdo: | but we'll see what kind of a deal they can get put together in the end |
| [20:28:38] | Beirdo: | lots of advanced warning at least |
| [20:28:41] | RyeBrye: | Aren't some of the people at TMS out of town until Monday anyway? |
| [20:28:42] | zo0m: | i run 6 tuners now, get up to 4 in use at a time at least once a week. a dvr from the stupid cable company just wont cut it |
| [20:28:50] | zo0m: | fully myth-ized :) |
| [20:28:59] | sphery: | I think that's the best approach. Wait until you have the information, then decide whether you're willing to pay what it takes. No sense deciding "what it's worth." |
| [20:29:08] | keith4: | i agree |
| [20:29:17] | Beirdo: | you can decide for yourself what it's worth to you |
| [20:29:18] | zo0m: | what they provide now, its worth free |
| [20:29:24] | keith4: | that's deep |
| [20:29:26] | zo0m: | if they provide 31days worth of guide data.. id definitely pay |
| [20:29:31] | zo0m: | 14days worth, no |
| [20:29:49] | Beirdo: | then once they say how it would be provided, you can determine for yourself if it's worth it to you, and go from there |
| [20:29:54] | sphery: | Beirdo: And, if it's not worth what it costs, find another (non-Myth) solution. :) |
| [20:29:54] | stuarta: | 14 days is a luxury |
| [20:29:58] | keith4: | if they have 100,000 people paying $5/mo... that's quite a pretty pile of cash |
| [20:30:08] | zo0m: | stuarta: compared to? tivo? |
| [20:30:14] | ** sphery knows he'll be using Myth regardless of what it costs. ** | |
| [20:30:16] | zo0m: | tivo is longer than 14days |
| [20:30:19] | Beirdo: | bingo, sphery. And it could well cost more |
| [20:30:32] | stuarta: | zo0m: i have 7 days eit date, RT gives us 14 days |
| [20:30:40] | zo0m: | beirdo: thats when you do what you gotta do |
| [20:30:46] | jams: | some eit in the USA is only 3 days |
| [20:30:52] | RyeBrye: | TiVo is more than 14 days? |
| [20:30:55] | keith4: | the point about zap2it being abused.... is it a server load issue? |
| [20:30:57] | keith4: | bandwidth? |
| [20:30:58] | zo0m: | yeah eit in the usa is bullshit |
| [20:30:59] | stuarta: | in some countries you are pushing it to get more then 3 days |
| [20:31:02] | RyeBrye: | I thought it was onyl 14 days – but I was on DirecTV |
| [20:31:08] | sphery: | Yep. I'd gladly pay more for my listings than a TiVo subscription would cost because, well, Myth is worth more to me. |
| [20:31:38] | sphery: | keith4: No. Some companies were abusing the data for profit. |
| [20:31:46] | keith4: | aw, that's shitty |
| [20:31:58] | sphery: | I don't know what "abusing" means--reselling or making "implied" contracts with customers or ... |
| [20:32:05] | keith4: | i think if it cost more than tivo... we'd figure out a way to share that cost amongst subscribers of the same provider |
| [20:32:17] | sphery: | But, yeah. It was problems with commercial ventures. |
| [20:32:17] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. I feel bad about those websites I was republishing the data on, and the local newspapers I was providing the data to for a fee... Think they were talking about me? |
| [20:32:25] | keith4: | like, i know people with the same company who use myth... we could all pitch in and pay for XML, and then sync our databases or something |
| [20:32:32] | Beirdo: | sphery, I think it means depriving TMS of income that they shoulda got, with the income going to another company for TMS' data |
| [20:32:40] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [20:33:06] | sphery: | Beirdo: Makes sense. Just don't know the "how" of the depriving... |
| [20:33:26] | sphery: | (I mean I get that income didn't come in to TMS, but...) |
| [20:33:29] | Beirdo: | well, TMS would supply the data to anyone, given a license agreement (which costs) |
| [20:33:51] | Beirdo: | ahh, yeah how the commercial enterprises were charging, not quite sure in all cases |
| [20:34:10] | zo0m: | guide data, screen scraping, whatever. got plenty of time to figure it out anyway |
| [20:34:22] | sphery: | Anyway, it's not that important now. What is important is that, "The sky is falling!" |
| [20:34:25] | sphery: | ;) |
| [20:34:31] | zo0m: | by middle of august if there's nothing in the works then will just scrape heh. who cares. |
| [20:34:32] | Beirdo: | yeah, lots of time to chill out and let the devs hammer out some sort of a deal |
| [20:35:04] | Beirdo: | and likely other affected open-source users too... I'm not worried until late August :) |
| [20:35:50] | sphery: | I heard Chutt had to leave the 50000-acre ranch in the private jet to go talk to some people about making a deal. :) |
| [20:36:00] | Beirdo: | hah |
| [20:36:39] | sphery: | I figure I'll worry on Sept 12th (assuming they shut off data on Sep 1--since I will have pulled 12 days on Aug 31) |
| [20:36:50] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:36:59] | Beirdo: | no, you'll freak on Sep 12 |
| [20:37:06] | Beirdo: | you'll worry on Sep 1 |
| [20:37:07] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:37:12] | sphery: | Probably true. |
| [20:37:24] | sphery: | Although based on the last season of TV, I may not... |
| [20:37:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:37:33] | Beirdo: | there is that |
| [20:37:41] | sphery: | I could easily do manual recordings of the shows that were actually worth watching. |
| [20:38:00] | ** sphery was extremely disappointed with this season's lineup. ** | |
| [20:38:03] | jams: | like oprah ! |
| [20:38:15] | Beirdo: | or get a DVR from your cableco/whoever for a month or two while stuff's getting fixed |
| [20:38:20] | Kritter: | /s 2 |
| [20:38:26] | sphery: | Oh, hadn't considered that one, but it's probably better than some of the ones I recorded and deleted without watching. |
| [20:38:44] | sphery: | I'd have to get a cableco/whoever to go with that DVR. :) |
| [20:38:49] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:39:10] | Beirdo: | now... where the heck was the documentation for autoconf 2.59?! |
| [20:39:22] | sphery: | What are you autotooling? Your bot? |
| [20:39:36] | sphery: | heh. I said bot. |
| [20:39:36] | stuarta: | anything that moves |
| [20:39:43] | Beirdo: | it's already using autoconf, but I need to add the new stuff to the config |
| [20:39:44] | RyeBrye: | !trout himself |
| [20:39:44] | ** MythLogBot slaps himself with a trout on behalf of RyeBrye... ** | |
| [20:40:08] | Beirdo: | like looking for lua |
| [20:40:27] | Beirdo: | and allowing selectively disabling compilation of plugins |
| [20:41:32] | sphery: | Always fun. I'd volunteer to help, but I only know enough to have done the little bit I've had to do myself. |
| [20:42:05] | Beirdo: | oh, I've done it before, but I *NEED* the docs to make sure I don't mess it up as I go along :) |
| [20:42:36] | sphery: | That's always good if you just want it to work for everyone (rather than using everyone as your alpha testers). |
| [20:42:55] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [20:43:37] | Beirdo: | http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/html_node/index.html |
| [20:43:39] | Beirdo: | too obvious |
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| [20:46:35] | kruuli: | if i use mplayer to play movies in ubuntu it works fine .. but none of the external players work in mythtv .. any idea? |
| [20:47:38] | sphery: | different user? |
| [20:47:46] | sphery: | (i.e. your running mythfrontend as root?) |
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| [20:48:26] | kruuli: | yeah as root |
| [20:48:54] | sphery: | then test Mplayer as root (to ensure that the MPlayer config is correct in /root/.mplayer |
| [20:49:16] | kruuli: | tryed it works fine |
| [20:49:51] | clever: | watch the output of mythfrontend |
| [20:50:08] | clever: | that also includes the mplayer output if thats being used by mythvideo |
| [20:50:35] | kruuli: | clever: how do i do that? |
| [20:50:46] | clever: | depends on how your starting mythfrontend |
| [20:51:33] | kruuli: | just by an icon in ubuntu |
| [20:51:43] | clever: | edit the icon to run it in a terminal |
| [20:51:48] | clever: | and watch that terminals output |
| [20:52:40] | kruuli: | clever: heh sorry im a bit new at this .. what do i have to add? |
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| [20:52:54] | clever: | gnome or kde? |
| [20:53:22] | kruuli: | ok |
| [20:53:27] | kruuli: | thanks alot |
| [20:54:11] | sphery: | or just add (or read) a "-l /path/to/logfile" to the end of the command line |
| [20:54:17] | mkrufky: | is full TS support in trunk yet? |
| [20:54:23] | sphery: | i.e. if it's there, read where it's logging |
| [20:54:40] | kruuli: | ok |
| [20:57:26] | stuarta: | mkrufky: think the stuff you are after is in the multirec branch |
| [20:58:06] | mkrufky: | stuarta: cool... i was just wondering. who would know whether or not that is planned for 0.21 ? |
| [20:58:18] | mkrufky: | ...or should i just assume that it is? |
| [20:58:31] | mkrufky: | (isn't it refreshing that im not asking about zap2it? :-P ) |
| [20:58:55] | sphery: | aren't you assuming that there will be a 0.21 ;) |
| [20:59:14] | stuarta: | it's doubtful it would make 0.21 |
| [20:59:14] | mkrufky: | ah, i found it — mythtv-multirec |
| [20:59:15] | sphery: | Daniel K. is working the multirec branch. |
| [20:59:32] | sphery: | He's also working the mythtv-vid branch |
| [20:59:34] | mkrufky: | gotcha.... |
| [20:59:39] | stuarta: | it's not even ready to be merged back to head |
| [20:59:43] | sphery: | (which might have some more/different TS stuff) |
| [21:00:07] | mkrufky: | ok, so i wont expect that functionality for another 2 years or so, then :-) |
| [21:00:14] | sphery: | But, fortunately, 0.21 doesn't seem to be near on the horizon ;) |
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| [21:00:46] | mkrufky: | yeah... i knew 0.21 was far far away.... that's why i was kinda hoping that full ts support might have a chance to slip in there |
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| [21:01:25] | stuarta: | unless an ogre is taking you to far far away |
| [21:01:58] | sphery: | I think Janne is hoping to have ffmpeg's multithreaded support in there for 0.21 and multirec will likely be there (since it's being worked on for a bounty), but 0.21 could sneak in there first and they may become 0.22 things... |
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| [21:02:19] | mkrufky: | aha, i didnt realize multirec was on bounty — thats awesome |
| [21:02:29] | sphery: | yeah. |
| [21:02:38] | mkrufky: | once thats all done and ready, it will revolutionize how STBs work forever |
| [21:02:41] | dansmith: | what's multirec? |
| [21:02:55] | mkrufky: | you KNOW all the cable companies are gonna try to do it too |
| [21:02:55] | sphery: | Don't know whether the devs wer more interested in the bounty or shutting up the whiners on the list ;) |
| [21:03:20] | mkrufky: | well, i have 30 tuners or so.... so i dont really NEED multirec support — i just think it'll be hot |
| [21:03:26] | sphery: | dansmith: It allows you to record multiple shows from the same multiplex |
| [21:03:33] | sphery: | with only one capture card |
| [21:03:45] | dansmith: | ah, so a digital thing, I guess |
| [21:03:49] | janneg: | multithreaded h264 is probably only weeks away, but the ac3 decoder needs more attention |
| [21:03:54] | mkrufky: | yeah, digital only, dansmith |
| [21:04:13] | mkrufky: | janneg: that's also great news.... are you working on smp h264 ? |
| [21:04:23] | mkrufky: | (excuse my shortcut) |
| [21:04:37] | sphery: | mkrufky: I think your way is the right way (and I wonder what Daniel /could/ have done with this time), but it will be nice to see an end to the, "MythTV is a stupid program with a very poor design since I have to buy a new card," comments |
| [21:04:38] | janneg: | no, only on merging the newest ffmpeg to mythtv |
| [21:04:56] | mkrufky: | btw.... as per murphy's law, my bythbackend is suddenly rock-solid again...... so wierd |
| [21:05:10] | clever: | lol |
| [21:05:44] | sphery: | janneg: are the multithreaded patches in ffmpeg, yet or still just patches on the list? |
| [21:05:49] | mkrufky: | sphery: im sorry, i have to disagree with you....... full TS is better, and there is nothing wrong in the fact that mythtv doesnt yet support it — things come in time. |
| [21:06:03] | mkrufky: | sphery: i dont think any other app supports it.... maybe vdr, but thats it |
| [21:06:08] | janneg: | mkrufky: probably phase of the moon or sunspots |
| [21:06:12] | sphery: | I just think it's not worth the cost (in time) of development |
| [21:06:15] | mkrufky: | janneg: yeah, lol |
| [21:06:19] | sphery: | When capture cards are so cheap |
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| [21:06:28] | mkrufky: | sphery: but it's also nice to have pci slots |
| [21:06:33] | mkrufky: | ...available |
| [21:06:52] | sphery: | True. I'm also influenced by the fact that it won't help me with my OTA HD ATSC setup. |
| [21:06:56] | mkrufky: | capture cards arent THAT cheap either.... i only have so many cuz i dont pay for 'em |
| [21:07:04] | janneg: | sphery: still just patches, otherwise there would be patch floating around |
| [21:07:30] | mkrufky: | sphery: here in NYC, most of the OTA sdtv channels are all broadcast on a single frequency |
| [21:07:53] | mkrufky: | ie: you might be able to record 16 SDTV programs using a single ATSC capture card |
| [21:08:04] | mkrufky: | now, tell me that isnt hot? |
| [21:08:14] | sphery: | janneg: Cool. Thanks for the info. I was hoping with how quickly they've improved H.264 decoding performance, they might have the multithreaded stuff worked in by now. |
| [21:08:54] | sphery: | I'm thinking you'd hit an EIDE or SATA or disk seek wall long before that, but I get what you mean. |
| [21:09:05] | mkrufky: | ...same thing on cable... i think all the sdtv channels are on one single frequency, and most of the HDTV channels are four pids per multiplex |
| [21:09:43] | sphery: | Unless it's being written as one file, but I got the impression it was being written as multiple because people were talking about doing the same for analog overlaps on the same channel... |
| [21:10:19] | janneg: | sphery: not so much of a problem in trunk if you have more than one disk |
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| [21:10:34] | janneg: | sphery: yes, one file for each recording |
| [21:10:45] | sphery: | Yeah. In my area, I have 7 channels worth watching and they're on 7 frequencies. :) |
| [21:13:28] | mkrufky: | hmm, i never considered that problem |
| [21:13:53] | sphery: | It could definitely be minimized (as janneg says) with storage groups and multiple spindles. |
| [21:13:56] | mkrufky: | so, if somebody uses a raid5 array, recording 16 shows off 1 multiplex, that raid controller is going to be QUITE busy |
| [21:14:28] | mkrufky: | should i break apart the raid5 into storage groups now ehile i can? |
| [21:14:31] | sphery: | Having X non-raided disks and X directories in a storage groups might actually be better. |
| [21:14:50] | ** sphery has 3TB without any MD (no RAID or LVM) ** | |
| [21:15:19] | mkrufky: | i was thinking of setting it up as JBOD, but... well, i figured raid5 would be a bit wiser |
| [21:15:51] | janneg: | bandwidth wouldn't be problem (less than 20mbyte/s) but disc seeks will kill it |
| [21:16:17] | mkrufky: | i think i should just pretend we never had this conversation ;-) |
| [21:16:27] | mkrufky: | what's the liklihood of ever recording 16 shows at once anyway? |
| [21:16:29] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [21:16:33] | RyeBrye: | I'd do it |
| [21:16:35] | RyeBrye: | just to say I could |
| [21:16:43] | mkrufky: | well, yeah... so would i... ONCE |
| [21:16:45] | sphery: | what's the likelihood of 16 shows worth recording airing at once? |
| [21:16:48] | janneg: | mkrufky: as long as you don't want the redundancy you should break it up |
| [21:17:23] | mkrufky: | well, are storage groups going to hit 0.20 ? |
| [21:17:27] | janneg: | no |
| [21:17:32] | sphery: | new feature |
| [21:17:37] | mkrufky: | so then i have quite some time before i have to worry about this |
| [21:18:05] | mkrufky: | lol, but i dont have 3 tb of scratch space ready for when i do want to break it up, lol |
| [21:18:15] | sphery: | That's the hard part. |
| [21:18:28] | janneg: | but even with two concurrent recordings and more than one spindle storage groups have an advantage: less fragmentation |
| [21:18:45] | mkrufky: | yes.,.. true |
| [21:18:51] | sphery: | I had to defrag a disk with 200GB on it. Was easy enough since it wasn't part of a 3TB MD. |
| [21:19:19] | mkrufky: | maybe i could rent a 3tb NAS for a weekend |
| [21:19:27] | RyeBrye: | I just record everything to RAM – I have 3 TB or RAM ;) |
| [21:19:32] | ** RyeBrye wishes ** | |
| [21:19:35] | sphery: | I got the fragmentation because all my recordings were SDTV, then I upgraded to all HDTV. Since the SDTV was 1/4 to 1/8 the size of a similar-length HDTV recording, I got massive fragmentation. |
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| [21:19:52] | sphery: | Took 10 hours to read the 200GB off the disk (and no time at all to write it back). |
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| [21:20:44] | sphery: | RyeBrye: Like the new devices they invented because Vista is so bloated--the flash disks for swap. |
| [21:20:58] | RyeBrye: | basically, yeah :) |
| [21:21:08] | sphery: | Of course, they're usually like 4GB or so... |
| [21:21:25] | mkrufky: | are they fast? |
| [21:21:47] | RyeBrye: | faster than the tape drive on a TRS-80, probably |
| [21:21:48] | sphery: | still limited by EIDE/SATA, but no physical seek time |
| [21:22:13] | mkrufky: | ok, well thats good |
| [21:22:25] | sphery: | Very nice for fragmented recordings. :) |
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| [21:22:52] | mkrufky: | i boot knoppix off a CF disk (in emergencies) .... it was faster that a dvdrom / cdrom , but still slower than my sata drive |
| [21:24:08] | sphery: | I'm trying to remember the name they used for these drives... |
| [21:24:20] | hads: | SSD |
| [21:25:08] | mkrufky: | i'd still like to boot a mythfrontend off a cf disk.... but i dont think any of those distros have auto-discovery yet |
| [21:25:41] | sphery: | hads: thx. |
| [21:25:49] | sphery: | They've dropped in price a /lot/. |
| [21:26:06] | mkrufky: | ie: i would need it to autodiscover the mysql server.... maybe even scan the network for a share with the mysql credentials inside a text file |
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| [21:27:41] | juski: | damn parents |
| [21:27:42] | janneg: | mkrufky: autodiscovery (through upnp) will also be in 0.21 |
| [21:28:10] | mkrufky: | that'll do it :-) thanks, janneg |
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| [21:28:26] | mkrufky: | although i feel like it could still be done using 0.20 + some hacks |
| [21:28:36] | mkrufky: | i have to play with knoppmyth again ... i havent tried that in ages |
| [21:28:56] | midav: | can someone answer a few questions relating to building mythtv on OS X? |
| [21:29:00] | juski: | dear father of mine is trying to run clarisworks 1.08b in windows XP, dated 1993. ffs!!!!!!! |
| [21:29:18] | stuarta: | thats enough to send anyone over the edge |
| [21:29:20] | mkrufky: | i thought clarisworks was for the AppleIIe |
| [21:29:24] | hads: | sphery: They have come down a lot. I can get a 2.5" 16GB SSD for the same price as 2 1/2 160GB HDD :) |
| [21:29:31] | juski: | they did a version for windows 3.x apparently |
| [21:29:33] | jams: | wow clarisworks, thats a throwback |
| [21:30:11] | juski: | it was working til he put more memory in his machine, now it says there's not enough memory. bit odd a windows app going for memory all by itself but hey |
| [21:30:12] | jams: | juski- did your dear father succeed? |
| [21:30:20] | juski: | jams: hahahaha no. |
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| [21:30:30] | sphery: | juski: When you get multimate working, let me know. I miss it. |
| [21:30:44] | juski: | multimate? |
| [21:31:02] | sphery: | Word processor I used in the late '80's. |
| [21:31:06] | juski: | that went wheeeeeeee over my head |
| [21:31:07] | midav: | I don't own a mac so I'm running a hacked version of OS X on my C2D machine and I'm trying to compile latest trunk so that I can use it on Apple TV but it compiles but whenever I execute it I see no video at all, no windows are launched and I think I pin pointed the problem but I'm not sure.. whenever I run configure for mythtv under video support everything is a no |
| [21:31:26] | hads: | Umm, right. |
| [21:31:41] | juski: | midav: nobody here condones illegal activity, so by admitting your OS X is hacked, you've denied yourself help. muhahahaha |
| [21:32:13] | RyeBrye: | I can't even get Mythfronend to compile on my legit mac, so you're donig better then me |
| [21:32:13] | midav: | there is no legal way to install OS X on regular machine so.... |
| [21:32:20] | RyeBrye: | Yes, there is |
| [21:32:23] | RyeBrye: | buy a mac |
| [21:32:26] | juski: | midav: buy a mac? |
| [21:32:27] | RyeBrye: | that's a regular machine |
| [21:32:36] | midav: | no use for it |
| [21:32:38] | juski: | pay for your OS or use Linux |
| [21:32:52] | midav: | I don't need this OS |
| [21:33:00] | hads: | Then don't use it. |
| [21:33:03] | midav: | all I need is to compile mythtv |
| [21:33:07] | sphery: | There's no legal way for me to install this illegal software on my machine, so... |
| [21:33:08] | midav: | ok i don't need your lecture |
| [21:33:12] | midav: | if u dont want to help than don't |
| [21:33:15] | RyeBrye: | Thereare binaries of OS X packages available |
| [21:33:30] | juski: | midav: nobody here will help you with your illegal endeavour |
| [21:33:32] | RyeBrye: | sniperpad has them |
| [21:33:39] | midav: | yea for PPC |
| [21:33:43] | midav: | they don't run on aTV |
| [21:33:50] | juski: | there are intel binaries too |
| [21:33:53] | mkrufky: | midav: i hear linux installs fine on appletv |
| [21:34:02] | midav: | those are from .20 fixes and don't connect to my latest svn trunk |
| [21:34:10] | mkrufky: | midav: you may as well just install linux on it, then install mythtv standard method |
| [21:34:11] | juski: | fucking hell you're picky |
| [21:34:15] | midav: | mkrufky: installs fine but doesn't run right |
| [21:34:25] | RyeBrye: | I'd just install linux on the AppleTV and use mythfronend from that |
| [21:34:26] | malph_work: | If I have one machine running mythtv frontend and a second running the backend which machine is going to transcode with mythdvd? |
| [21:34:41] | mkrufky: | im curious about this, cuz i was thinking of replacing my huge frontend clunker with a cute little appletv |
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| [21:35:01] | mkrufky: | malph_work: backend |
| [21:35:03] | juski: | mkrufky: make a nice SDTV frontend. bit expensive just for SDTV though |
| [21:35:15] | malph_work: | mkrufky: thanks |
| [21:35:25] | mkrufky: | juski: i thought appletv has HDMI outs? |
| [21:35:37] | juski: | doesn't mean it'll play HD content though does it? ;) |
| [21:35:44] | mkrufky: | err |
| [21:35:51] | mkrufky: | !foot krufky's mouth |
| [21:35:53] | sphery: | juski: (not trying to pressure you--I'm patient and patching my own tree--just trying to make things easiest for you) should I make a ticket for the program details patches or just leave them on my server? |
| [21:35:56] | RyeBrye: | http://www.thesniderpad.com//index.php?option . . . ect&id=3 |
| [21:36:01] | mkrufky: | damn, the bot doesnt know that one |
| [21:36:06] | RyeBrye: | nightly builds of os x |
| [21:36:12] | midav: | those are from PPC |
| [21:36:12] | juski: | sphery: get back to me next week on that one I think |
| [21:36:15] | midav: | i talk to David from that site |
| [21:36:17] | midav: | he runs PPC mac |
| [21:36:23] | juski: | if I see another theme I'll properly go postal |
| [21:36:24] | sphery: | malph_work: actually for DVD transcoding (i.e. MythVideo frontend plugin), it's the frontend. |
| [21:36:31] | midav: | and all his binaries are compiled under PPC and it will NOT run on aTV as it's x86 based |
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| [21:36:43] | sphery: | for recording transcoding, mkrufky would be right--it would be the backend. |
| [21:36:48] | juski: | anyway.. ttfn |
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| [21:36:52] | RyeBrye: | Well, FWIW, his binaries don't run on my PPC either |
| [21:37:03] | RyeBrye: | Something is strange in the OSX build script at the moment... |
| [21:37:06] | midav: | if u got a normal mac I can probably help u compile it |
| [21:37:09] | ** sphery chased juski away ** | |
| [21:37:10] | midav: | i fixed the script |
| [21:37:11] | midav: | last night |
| [21:37:14] | RyeBrye: | You did? good :) |
| [21:37:18] | RyeBrye: | I fixed parts of it... |
| [21:37:31] | midav: | it compiles all good, i think the problem for me is X11 support |
| [21:37:49] | midav: | for some reason mythtv does not see X11 library |
| [21:37:52] | RyeBrye: | It wont link for me – it tries to link to -lX11 and and stuff and doesn't link to it |
| [21:37:53] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [21:38:02] | midav: | i manually give it the dir and still nothing |
| [21:38:03] | RyeBrye: | Yours gets past the linking part? |
| [21:38:09] | midav: | yes |
| [21:38:19] | midav: | i even tried to compile it manually and i got that going too |
| [21:38:29] | midav: | all u need is a few things like qt and freetype, mysql |
| [21:38:40] | midav: | all that was easy and do configure and disable firewire |
| [21:38:41] | RyeBrye: | Have you submitted a patch of the new packager? |
| [21:38:45] | midav: | no |
| [21:38:54] | RyeBrye: | you should :) |
| [21:39:06] | midav: | I would if it would run but I cannot test it 100% |
| [21:39:20] | midav: | if u want i'll send it to u |
| [21:39:21] | midav: | try it |
| [21:39:24] | RyeBrye: | Ok |
| [21:39:30] | midav: | hold on |
| [21:39:35] | RyeBrye: | I'm at work, and my gateway that I SSH home to is down, so I'll have to compile it when I get home |
| [21:39:42] | midav: | that's fine |
| [21:40:02] | RyeBrye: | I want to get my old G4 laptop to actually have a purpose again... It wants to be a MythFrontend, it really does :) |
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| [21:40:39] | RyeBrye: | If I were a glutton for pain, I suppose I could try to compile MythTV and all its dependencies on PPC Linux |
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| [21:40:58] | malph_work: | sphery: so after mythdvd does the transcoding it uploads the finished file to the backend? |
| [21:41:08] | RyeBrye: | I ran PPC Fedora for a little while, and it was like being a red-headed stepchild of the linux community |
| [21:41:10] | midav: | this Colloquy crashed when i tried to send u a file |
| [21:41:14] | RyeBrye: | No binary drivers, no flash, no anything... |
| [21:41:16] | RyeBrye: | Oh |
| [21:41:24] | RyeBrye: | You can email to me at gmail.com |
| [21:41:27] | RyeBrye: | ryebrye@gmail.com |
| [21:41:29] | midav: | ok |
| [21:41:31] | midav: | coming right up |
| [21:41:37] | RyeBrye: | thanks |
| [21:41:42] | midav: | np. |
| [21:41:45] | midav: | u got PPC or x86? |
| [21:41:46] | RyeBrye: | PPC |
| [21:41:47] | SiD3WiNDR: | RyeBrye: neither binary drivers nor flash are made by the "linux community" ;) |
| [21:41:50] | RyeBrye: | I know |
| [21:42:26] | RyeBrye: | SiD3WiNDR – Yes, I know... but my video was slower than death and I couldn't play any flash stuff |
| [21:42:33] | sphery: | malph_work: No. MythDVD (and, MythVideo, which has taken over its functionality for the next release) are frontend only. |
| [21:42:48] | RyeBrye: | And valgrind doesn't work on PPC linux IIRC |
| [21:42:50] | malph_work: | hmmm pity |
| [21:43:04] | sphery: | malph_work: So, you can use it to read the DVD and write it to a local filesystem. |
| [21:43:16] | sphery: | If that filesystem is network mounted, it can be available to all frontends. |
| [21:43:51] | sphery: | But, the frontend will do any transcoding you choose (although I highly recommend the "Perfect" = rip but don't transcode setting). |
| [21:44:05] | midav: | RyeBye: did you try to do .configure of just SVN trunk with --disable-distcc and see if it says No for all under video support? |
| [21:44:08] | sphery: | Not that I've ever done it, because that would be illegal for me. |
| [21:44:37] | RyeBrye: | When I try to just do .configure of svn trunk it craps out and tells me it can't because I failed endianness check |
| [21:44:42] | RyeBrye: | but I can try again later, maybe that got fixed |
| [21:44:47] | midav: | u got to do disable |
| [21:44:52] | midav: | elsei it will crap out |
| [21:45:37] | RyeBrye: | I'll try that then |
| [21:45:40] | midav: | edian (sp) will be there unless u --disable-distcc |
| [21:45:42] | RyeBrye: | I have all the dependencies I think |
| [21:46:01] | midav: | i spent all night yestarday with this. |
| [21:46:14] | midav: | i get an executable which disables absolutely nothing |
| [21:46:23] | midav: | what do u get when u try to run one of David's builds? |
| [21:46:27] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I lost a few nights to it earlier... I submitted patches to get the download links in the packager script working |
| [21:46:42] | midav: | i had to fix a few links there too |
| [21:46:45] | RyeBrye: | On the last few I've tried they weren't even built correctly – just a disk image wiht a bunch of broken stuff |
| [21:47:03] | midav: | but the ones that were build okay? |
| [21:47:05] | RyeBrye: | The disk image was only 1.3 gigs but needs to be around 1.5 or 1.6 to build |
| [21:47:15] | RyeBrye: | No, the last built one I tried just bounced in my dock, didn't do anything |
| [21:47:26] | RyeBrye: | I HAVE used his stuff before and it worked, but not recently |
| [21:47:33] | midav: | hmm odd. |
| [21:47:36] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [21:47:39] | midav: | u can email him |
| [21:47:44] | midav: | i got his email addy |
| [21:47:52] | RyeBrye: | what's his address? I coudn't find it anywhere on his site -you can email me his address if you want |
| [21:48:07] | midav: | i did a whois on the domain |
| [21:48:12] | RyeBrye: | I do have an x86 mac at my work |
| [21:48:19] | RyeBrye: | I can download the svn trunk and run the packager here I suppose |
| [21:48:28] | midav: | that be cool |
| [21:48:30] | RyeBrye: | but I don't know if it will get done building before I leave in an hour |
| [21:48:32] | midav: | u can use the script i emailed u |
| [21:48:53] | midav: | all u need is perl, xcode and subversion installed |
| [21:49:09] | midav: | that packager takes care of the rest |
| [21:50:21] | RyeBrye: | I've got to load perl and svn on that box |
| [21:50:25] | RyeBrye: | II've got xcode on it already |
| [21:50:34] | midav: | if u got xcode perl is there i think |
| [21:50:34] | RyeBrye: | thought I had svn too.. strange |
| [21:50:57] | midav: | so it xcode and subversion that is needed |
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| [21:52:19] | midav: | just in general for mythtv to display something at least one of things from "Video Output support" must be a yes? LIke x11? |
| [21:55:24] | midav: | ... |
| [21:56:12] | midav: | RyeBrye: Do you remember the last trunk from snider that worked for u? |
| [21:56:34] | midav: | the configure script had a lot of changes latetly and perhaps something with x11 got massed up |
| [21:57:38] | sphery: | I think the info on the replacement of DataDirect should be treated like "The Sixth Sense"--everyone agrees to keep the secret. It gets posted once to the list and people who fail to search/read the list don't get to find out the "ending." |
| [21:58:23] | mkrufky: | ...and i thought i understood the sixth sense |
| [21:58:28] | mkrufky: | suddenly i am confused |
| [21:58:47] | midav: | what would that be? |
| [21:58:49] | Beirdo: | I see stupid people |
| [21:59:19] | RyeBrye: | midav – the last time I tried one and had it work, it was a 0.20 or 0.20-fixes build |
| [21:59:31] | RyeBrye: | I didn't try until recently to use svn builds, and none of them have worked |
| [21:59:38] | midav: | ic. |
| [21:59:40] | midav: | hmm |
| [21:59:50] | midav: | so little support for OSX |
| [21:59:50] | RyeBrye: | My build is actually going pretty fast here at work... I've got avery fast network connection, and that helps with downloading the packages...etc |
| [22:00:01] | midav: | thats good |
| [22:00:12] | mkrufky: | i dont read the list, but i write the atsc drivers....... are you going to let me go without listings, sphery ? |
| [22:00:34] | RyeBrye: | !url the-secret |
| [22:00:34] | MythLogBot: | No match for keyword the-secret |
| [22:00:42] | RyeBrye: | MythLogBot isn't in on it either, I guess |
| [22:00:49] | mkrufky: | :-P |
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| [22:02:03] | RyeBrye: | Does AppleTV have dual core? |
| [22:02:09] | midav: | no |
| [22:02:28] | midav: | it's some 1Ghz cpu but it got some hardware accelaration |
| [22:02:35] | RyeBrye: | dang... this thing builds fast here |
| [22:02:36] | malph_work: | sphery: ok so is the library information for the mythdvd plugin stored locally or on the backend? |
| [22:02:37] | sphery: | mkrufky: Just amazed at how many new threads are being created to announce the late-breaking news and how many times people keep saying the exact same things in the existing threads. |
| [22:02:51] | midav: | and by it's nature it is supposed to play mpeg4 up to 720p |
| [22:02:59] | sphery: | malph_work: The metadata is stored in the database. |
| [22:03:24] | midav: | that is why i don't want to swap OS on it and keep it with its own crap since all the hardware is supported natively here |
| [22:03:27] | RyeBrye: | Is there late breaking news? the wiki page hasn't changed |
| [22:03:30] | mkrufky: | sphery: i think nothing can be done to handle the mass hysteria, besides auto-responders and irc robots |
| [22:03:31] | sphery: | So, to get it to work on all frontends, use network shares--all mounted in the exact same absolute path--and everything works great. |
| [22:03:50] | malph_work: | sphery: tha sounds a lot like what I was going to say |
| [22:04:06] | mkrufky: | *I* know to hang tight and expect something by august.... if i dont here anything by then, thats when i'll start freaking |
| [22:04:11] | sphery: | malph_work: It's really quite nice--as long as you're wililng to use network shares. |
| [22:04:20] | FunkyELF: | so....zap2it is done....that sucks |
| [22:04:39] | sphery: | mkrufky: Yeah. It's just getting old. I'm wearing out the delete button in Thunderbird. |
| [22:05:40] | RyeBrye: | There's a reason I don't subscribe... I just read them on gossamer |
| [22:06:00] | midav: | just in general for mythtv to display something at least one of things from "Video Output support" must be a yes? LIke x11? |
| [22:06:13] | RyeBrye: | I think so |
| [22:06:33] | midav: | i couldn't find an answer that said that for 100% |
| [22:06:34] | mkrufky: | is there much reason for a regular user to subscribe? i'd imagine that would only be annoying... what would a user want besides tech support, and everything is probably already covered in the wiki |
| [22:06:34] | malph_work: | the plan is to connect three buildings with wifi access points and parabolic antennas and allow all two buildings to upload to a media server and view everyone elses files |
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| [22:06:58] | malph_work: | s/all// |
| [22:07:21] | midav: | RyeBrye: how is the build going? what machine u got there? |
| [22:08:09] | RyeBrye: | It's just an intel imac |
| [22:08:13] | RyeBrye: | It's building QT right now |
| [22:08:17] | midav: | ic. |
| [22:08:27] | midav: | u using the thing i sent u? |
| [22:08:30] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [22:08:44] | midav: | hope it works. |
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| [22:09:09] | midav: | u running 10.4.8 o 10.4.9? |
| [22:09:20] | RyeBrye: | 10.4.10 : |
| [22:09:22] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [22:09:26] | RyeBrye: | came out yesterday I believe |
| [22:09:26] | midav: | nice |
| [22:09:32] | midav: | hmm |
| [22:09:50] | RyeBrye: | I don't think the update had anything major in it |
| [22:09:55] | RyeBrye: | just bugfixes and device support |
| [22:10:10] | midav: | i'm quite sure the problem is x11 related but i can't find where it fails with finding x11 even when manually specified. |
| [22:10:12] | midav: | ic. |
| [22:10:25] | midav: | well on OSx86 it be quite some time before 10.4.10 comes out |
| [22:10:30] | RyeBrye: | yeah :) |
| [22:10:56] | midav: | i thought about getting mac mini but i'm not a real mac user... i just want to have an environment to compile mythtv and switch back to windows |
| [22:11:08] | RyeBrye: | the Mac OS is nice |
| [22:11:14] | midav: | i agree |
| [22:11:14] | RyeBrye: | I run it and linux, |
| [22:11:24] | midav: | I like it.. i'm using it now |
| [22:11:24] | RyeBrye: | anytime I need windows specific stuff I use vmware |
| [22:11:34] | midav: | but so not used to it |
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| [22:11:52] | midav: | especially finding what happened to my APPS when i open other apps or minimize them |
| [22:11:53] | RyeBrye: | It's like linux – only parts are a lot easier to deal with... like how programs bundle their dependencies inside themselves |
| [22:11:57] | midav: | where they are hinding and stuff |
| [22:12:04] | RyeBrye: | In the dock :) |
| [22:12:13] | RyeBrye: | Alt -tab will get them though |
| [22:12:18] | midav: | yea but i don't get how it really works |
| [22:12:40] | midav: | if i dont minimize it and just open one on top it is not displayed in the dock |
| [22:12:54] | RyeBrye: | So they don't do cross compiling? I can't compile PPC on my Intel machine or vice versa? |
| [22:13:11] | midav: | there must be a way |
| [22:13:12] | midav: | because |
| [22:13:20] | midav: | there are some .20 universal binaries floating around |
| [22:13:20] | RyeBrye: | It's not like it has to run the code as it compiles it |
| [22:13:36] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, you can build a UB by building on a PPC and building on Intel and combining them |
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| [22:13:47] | RyeBrye: | I don't know about cross compiling though |
| [22:14:18] | midav: | if mac mini was core 2 duo I'd buy it but that shit is core duo :( |
| [22:14:30] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [22:14:37] | midav: | so cheapest mac with my student discount is macbook for $1k |
| [22:14:45] | RyeBrye: | not an imac? |
| [22:14:49] | midav: | no |
| [22:14:52] | midav: | x86 macbook |
| [22:15:06] | midav: | i didn't look into imacs |
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| [22:15:37] | RyeBrye: | had a denied donwload for libdvdcss-1.2.9.tar.bz2 on that |
| [22:15:42] | RyeBrye: | I'll edit the script to use a different URL |
| [22:17:01] | midav: | hmm |
| [22:17:02] | midav: | odd |
| [22:17:06] | RyeBrye: | http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1. . . . .2.9.tar.bz2 is what I switched it to |
| [22:17:11] | RyeBrye: | it was using some german gentoo server |
| [22:17:19] | RyeBrye: | maybe they hate my work IP or something |
| [22:17:24] | midav: | maybe |
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| [22:17:29] | RyeBrye: | I do work for SCO after all |
| [22:17:35] | midav: | it works for me and i think i put that in there |
| [22:17:36] | RyeBrye: | (just kidding) |
| [22:18:09] | midav: | when i compile in linux I get x11 support yes |
| [22:18:09] | midav: | xrandr support yes |
| [22:18:09] | midav: | xv support yes |
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| [22:21:54] | RyeBrye: | It's getting ready to build MythTV now |
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| [22:22:11] | midav: | momemnt of truth |
| [22:22:11] | RyeBrye: | it's checking out the trunk to the disk image now |
| [22:22:20] | RyeBrye: | well... getting closer :) |
| [22:22:36] | midav: | yea |
| [22:23:20] | midav: | my perl knoweldge is not that great, but i think i will disect this script and find out how it links X11 |
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| [22:25:22] | midav: | do u know what the test if test -f is in perl is that the same as if exists? |
| [22:25:44] | squidly: | anyone know if I can get mythmusic to pull a cd with out me having to watch it? |
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| [22:28:28] | keith4_: | can someone explain to me what "master backend override" actually does? |
| [22:29:10] | midav: | RyeBrye: do u have this file on ur intel mac /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| [22:31:45] | RyeBrye: | cat: /etc/ld.so.conf: No such file or directory |
| [22:32:13] | mike3_: | I'm having some issues turning down volume in any application. I'm not sure why, but I cannot turn down volume in mplayer, mythtv, mythmusic. Pretty much everything. Can somebody be of some help\ |
| [22:32:21] | midav: | well i just manually edited configure and under darwin and x11 changed to yes and now it says x11 yes |
| [22:32:26] | midav: | let me try to compile it |
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| [22:32:51] | RyeBrye: | http://pastebin.ca/582323 |
| [22:33:02] | RyeBrye: | That's good |
| [22:33:08] | RyeBrye: | that pastebin is the output of the configure script |
| [22:33:23] | midav: | :( |
| [22:33:26] | RyeBrye: | what is in your /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
| [22:33:30] | midav: | nothing |
| [22:33:41] | mikeones: | maybe /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ |
| [22:33:43] | midav: | that does exist on linux machine and one of the things in configure checks for it |
| [22:33:46] | RyeBrye: | oh, you just put a blank file in there and i said "yes"? |
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| [22:34:05] | midav: | no i didn't put any files i found darwin and changed x11 to yes there |
| [22:34:20] | midav: | so far it hasn't died |
| [22:34:22] | midav: | it's compiling |
| [22:34:52] | RyeBrye: | rather strange – it's building but has no sound support or video support |
| [22:35:02] | RyeBrye: | don't know what good a frontend like that would be |
| [22:35:08] | midav: | i'm no rocket scientists nor a software developer but i'm quite sure it supposed to be yes for at least one thing |
| [22:35:10] | RyeBrye: | maybe for the Hellen Keller foundation? |
| [22:35:11] | midav: | died... |
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| [22:35:32] | midav: | screensaver-x11.cpp:5:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory |
| [22:35:45] | RyeBrye: | Doesn't OS X use X11R6? |
| [22:35:51] | midav: | yes |
| [22:35:54] | midav: | it can be added |
| [22:36:00] | midav: | and i have |
| [22:36:11] | midav: | if u have it /usr/X11R6 |
| [22:36:15] | midav: | then it should work |
| [22:36:17] | RyeBrye: | I have it there |
| [22:36:41] | RyeBrye: | Nigel on the trac system seems to have an intel mac – he mentioned he compiles it on his macbook |
| [22:36:46] | RyeBrye: | I dont' know what his magic is though |
| [22:37:05] | keith4_: | compiles mythfrontend? |
| [22:37:14] | keith4_: | i know someone who has it working |
| [22:37:20] | RyeBrye: | on OS X? |
| [22:37:26] | keith4_: | yep |
| [22:37:26] | RyeBrye: | and gets it to actually do something? |
| [22:37:28] | keith4_: | yep |
| [22:37:33] | keith4_: | he had his macbook at my house |
| [22:37:36] | keith4_: | pointed to my backend |
| [22:37:41] | keith4_: | watched tv over G wireless |
| [22:37:57] | midav: | i'm sure it can be done |
| [22:38:03] | midav: | just can't find where the problem lies yet |
| [22:38:09] | keith4_: | let me ask him |
| [22:38:26] | midav: | that be cool |
| [22:39:10] | RyeBrye: | Yeah... my frontend compiled |
| [22:39:16] | RyeBrye: | It bounces in the dock, and does nothing |
| [22:39:29] | midav: | u executing it from bash right? |
| [22:39:29] | RyeBrye: | It finishes bouncing and gives a menu bar |
| [22:39:31] | RyeBrye: | that's baout it |
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| [22:39:38] | RyeBrye: | no, double clicking it |
| [22:39:43] | midav: | dont double click |
| [22:39:44] | RyeBrye: | what bash script should execute it? |
| [22:39:54] | midav: | just from terminal give it absolute path |
| [22:40:37] | midav: | like /User/xxx/src/MythFrontend.app/Contents/MacOS/Mythfrontend |
| [22:40:49] | midav: | where it is located |
| [22:41:09] | keith4_: | why would you have to do that? |
| [22:41:24] | midav: | there is some issue with ur environment |
| [22:41:27] | midav: | in mac |
| [22:41:30] | mike3_: | I'm having some issues turning down volume in any application. I'm not sure why, but I cannot turn down volume in mplayer, mythtv, mythmusic. Pretty much everything. Can somebody be of some help\ |
| [22:41:42] | midav: | if u don't modify somewhere it will not run |
| [22:41:47] | keith4_: | mike3_, how are you "turning down volume"? |
| [22:41:57] | mike3_: | by the remote |
| [22:42:03] | mike3_: | or on the computer |
| [22:42:04] | mike3_: | doesn't matter |
| [22:42:07] | mike3_: | neither work |
| [22:42:25] | ** keith4_ sighs ** | |
| [22:43:10] | midav: | hmm no idea |
| [22:43:17] | midav: | i use volume on my amp |
| [22:43:31] | keith4_: | mike3_, let's start with mplayer |
| [22:43:32] | RyeBrye: | I get a crapload of errors – same way if I run it by double clicking or by using absolute path |
| [22:43:54] | keith4_: | when playing a movie, what exactly happens when you hit * or / ? |
| [22:43:59] | mike3_: | keith4, ok sure |
| [22:44:00] | RyeBrye: | Looks like it skips over the gui part where you set the backend IP and it just tries to connect to the backend constantly |
| [22:44:03] | mike3_: | keith4, sec |
| [22:44:04] | mike3_: | i will try |
| [22:44:06] | RyeBrye: | and throws lots of mysql errors |
| [22:44:27] | midav: | yea that is ok |
| [22:44:30] | midav: | mysql is no big deal |
| [22:44:35] | midav: | what are the last 3 lines u get |
| [22:44:41] | midav: | when all mysql errors end? |
| [22:44:44] | RyeBrye: | http://pastebin.ca/582338 |
| [22:44:48] | midav: | anytinnglike QFont |
| [22:44:50] | RyeBrye: | When all the errors end, nothing |
| [22:44:55] | RyeBrye: | That's the whole output |
| [22:44:56] | midav: | yep |
| [22:44:59] | midav: | QFont |
| [22:45:03] | midav: | bam |
| [22:45:07] | midav: | same issue |
| [22:45:20] | midav: | 10 bucks says that is a problem with x11 |
| [22:45:25] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [22:45:28] | RyeBrye: | Since it can't find the libs |
| [22:45:33] | RyeBrye: | My PPC mac finds those libraries |
| [22:45:42] | midav: | really? |
| [22:45:46] | RyeBrye: | It says "yes" on some of the output options, I'm pretty sure |
| [22:45:50] | midav: | ok |
| [22:45:51] | keith4_: | any reason you're not using a prebuilt binary? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X |
| [22:45:53] | RyeBrye: | but it wont link, so it doesn't matter :) |
| [22:45:57] | midav: | let me figure out how this pastebin works |
| [22:46:00] | midav: | i'll paste something for u |
| [22:46:00] | RyeBrye: | The prebuilt binary no worky |
| [22:46:05] | RyeBrye: | at leats not for me |
| [22:46:13] | mike3_: | keith4, the volume bar just comes up |
| [22:46:16] | mike3_: | doesn't turn it down or up |
| [22:46:20] | mike3_: | just shows the volume bar |
| [22:46:26] | keith4_: | what distro? |
| [22:46:32] | mike3_: | gentoo |
| [22:46:34] | keith4_: | ew |
| [22:46:36] | keith4_: | ok |
| [22:46:40] | keith4_: | what audio hardware? |
| [22:46:47] | mike3_: | Intel 845g chipset |
| [22:46:55] | keith4_: | digital out? |
| [22:46:56] | midav: | http://pastebin.ca/582341 |
| [22:47:03] | keith4_: | using alsa? |
| [22:47:04] | mike3_: | keith4, How can I tell? |
| [22:47:06] | mike3_: | yes alsa |
| [22:47:20] | keith4_: | how are your speakers / headphones / stereo / whatever hooked up? |
| [22:47:30] | midav: | for darwin someone disabled x11 by default |
| [22:47:35] | mike3_: | just speakers |
| [22:47:50] | mike3_: | only speakers are plugged in |
| [22:47:58] | keith4_: | analog? |
| [22:48:13] | mike3_: | It's just a set of speakers you would buy at a store |
| [22:48:16] | midav: | http://pastebin.ca/582349 |
| [22:48:19] | mike3_: | plugs into the green jack at the back |
| [22:48:21] | mike3_: | that's all I know |
| [22:48:22] | midav: | so i went into configure and enabled it |
| [22:48:27] | midav: | look at this paste |
| [22:48:43] | midav: | once I enabled it, it found xv too |
| [22:48:54] | midav: | but failed to compile half way through |
| [22:48:56] | keith4_: | mike3_, do you have 'alsamixer' ? |
| [22:49:01] | midav: | is that a similar error u get on ur PPC? |
| [22:49:10] | RyeBrye: | No, the error I get isn't at a compile, it's at a link |
| [22:49:14] | mike3_: | keith4, yes |
| [22:49:17] | RyeBrye: | So it gets past that stage, at least |
| [22:49:29] | keith4_: | RyeBrye, my buddy reports that he used the intel binary on his macbook, and it worked fine |
| [22:49:31] | RyeBrye: | Too bad I can't ssh into my PPC box |
| [22:49:33] | keith4_: | once he had x11 working |
| [22:49:41] | RyeBrye: | keith4_ running fixes or svn trunk? |
| [22:49:54] | RyeBrye: | I think the problem is the svn trunk is not building correctly |
| [22:49:54] | ** keith4_ shrugs ** | |
| [22:50:00] | midav: | keith4: can u ask him plz? |
| [22:50:02] | RyeBrye: | what version backend did you have? |
| [22:50:11] | midav: | yea |
| [22:50:11] | RyeBrye: | that's probably the important thing |
| [22:50:13] | midav: | thats a good problem |
| [22:50:15] | keith4_: | why can't you ssh into your ppc box? |
| [22:50:16] | midav: | err |
| [22:50:17] | midav: | question |
| [22:50:21] | RyeBrye: | My gateway is down :( |
| [22:50:25] | mike3_: | keith4, Yes I ahve alsamixer |
| [22:50:25] | midav: | keith when he connected at ur house |
| [22:50:36] | midav: | which rev were u running? svn or fix? |
| [22:50:43] | midav: | cause he could not connect with a fix to svn |
| [22:50:53] | keith4_: | i was running whatever is in debian stable |
| [22:50:57] | RyeBrye: | Ahh |
| [22:51:03] | midav: | a |
| [22:51:04] | midav: | fix |
| [22:51:05] | RyeBrye: | Yeah... probably fixes or something |
| [22:51:14] | midav: | they don't put svn in there |
| [22:51:21] | RyeBrye: | I wonder if that nigel guy ever comes on here |
| [22:51:27] | keith4_: | 0.20-svn20070223–0.0 |
| [22:51:35] | RyeBrye: | I think that's fixes |
| [22:51:43] | RyeBrye: | february.... |
| [22:51:43] | midav: | looks like fix to me but says svn |
| [22:51:45] | keith4_: | mike3_, does alsamixer work? |
| [22:51:48] | midav: | yea |
| [22:51:50] | midav: | fix |
| [22:51:52] | mike3_: | keith4, yes |
| [22:52:11] | keith4_: | some apps try to control master volume, when they should control PCM, or vice versa |
| [22:52:17] | RyeBrye: | I'm goign to head home in about 10 minutes, but probably wont get to working on building myth for another 5 hours or more |
| [22:52:22] | RyeBrye: | I'll be sure to reset my gateway |
| [22:52:25] | mike3_: | keith4, PCM doesn't have a place to turn volume up or down |
| [22:52:28] | mike3_: | it's just off or on |
| [22:52:29] | RyeBrye: | I will just work on doing it from remote tomorrow |
| [22:53:21] | keith4_: | shit wait |
| [22:53:23] | midav: | sounds good to me too |
| [22:53:24] | RyeBrye: | If I can get it to build on my intel box here at work, I can put a script up to make it generate binares each day |
| [22:53:24] | keith4_: | that was one of my frontends |
| [22:53:31] | keith4_: | wrong ssh window ;-) |
| [22:53:40] | midav: | i'll be massing around with it, but if anything... |
| [22:53:43] | RyeBrye: | and put them on a server somewhere |
| [22:53:52] | RyeBrye: | yeah – if you get it to work, email me the config script or whatever :) |
| [22:54:00] | midav: | yea of course |
| [22:54:05] | midav: | u got gmail |
| [22:54:08] | midav: | i'll add u to gtalk.? |
| [22:54:11] | RyeBrye: | sure |
| [22:54:17] | midav: | ok |
| [22:54:21] | mike3_: | keith4, is there a way to tell mplayer to control sound through the master volume instead of PCM? |
| [22:54:29] | RyeBrye: | I can't ssh into my Intel box because my work is on a nutz VPN – so I can't work on the intel build until tommorow |
| [22:54:52] | keith4_: | mike3_, dunno |
| [22:54:58] | keith4_: | i don't know anything about gentoo |
| [22:55:02] | keith4_: | maybe ask in #gentoo? |
| [22:55:05] | mike3_: | because PCM doesn't have the option to control sound |
| [22:55:18] | keith4_: | ah |
| [22:55:20] | keith4_: | that might do it |
| [22:55:27] | keith4_: | when you use alsamixer to control master volume, it works? |
| [22:55:28] | midav: | oh |
| [22:55:34] | midav: | u mean ur ssh box at work from home |
| [22:55:48] | midav: | ssh=iintel |
| [22:55:52] | midav: | going nuts here |
| [22:57:55] | midav: | i found there is a way to disable backend |
| [22:58:00] | midav: | i will try building without backend |
| [22:58:07] | midav: | let me see if it will crap out in the same place |
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| [23:00:25] | midav: | same spot |
| [23:00:30] | midav: | X11/Xlib.h not fund |
| [23:00:35] | mike3_: | keith4, hey -softvol for mplayer works |
| [23:00:41] | midav: | he bounced |
| [23:00:47] | mike3_: | how can I use software volume for mythtv/ |
| [23:00:47] | mike3_: | ? |
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| [23:05:59] | Dibblah: | mike3_: softvol in alsa configuration. |
| [23:06:42] | Dibblah: | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/How_to_use_ . . . aster_volume |
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| [23:08:58] | sphery: | xris: And, IMHO, Perl is right to do installs that way. :) Saves a ton of @INC problems. |
| [23:09:07] | mike3_: | Dibblah, But I can control through master volume in alsamixer |
| [23:09:10] | mike3_: | that's what I don't understand |
| [23:09:18] | xris: | sphery: yup |
| [23:09:31] | Dibblah: | Oh. You're asking how to control that inside Myth? |
| [23:09:47] | mike3_: | yes |
| [23:10:08] | Dibblah: | [ or F10 to decrease volume |
| [23:10:18] | mike3_: | Dibblah, volume will not turn down though |
| [23:10:20] | Dibblah: | ] or F11 to increase volume |
| [23:10:31] | mike3_: | same in mplayer unless I use -softvol |
| [23:10:54] | Dibblah: | In which case, you don't have your mixer selected in the setup screen. |
| [23:11:05] | mike3_: | I can produce sound fine though |
| [23:11:17] | mike3_: | just can't adjust volume |
| [23:11:38] | Dibblah: | Can you try setting your sound device to ALSA:default |
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| [23:11:54] | Dibblah: | and leave your mixer set to Default |
| [23:12:02] | mike3_: | sec I will try |
| [23:14:28] | sphery: | mike3_: don't have time to read 1-hr+ of scrollback, so please correct me if I'm wrong. You're trying to get volume control to work. In any application you use it does nothing. With MPlayer it works by using softvol. |
| [23:14:37] | sphery: | Now you want to figure out how to make it work in Myth, right? |
| [23:14:58] | sphery: | (And, you're using digital audio output, too.) |
| [23:15:25] | mike3_: | sphery, yes |
| [23:15:27] | sphery: | If so, the right solution is to get an A/V receiver and output the digital audio to the receiver and use the receiver's volume control to change the volume. |
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| [23:15:48] | sphery: | Chances are--if you're using digital audio output--you already have a receiver of some sort. |
| [23:15:57] | mike3_: | sphery, digital audio ? |
| [23:16:00] | mike3_: | I'm not sure what you mean |
| [23:16:05] | sphery: | So, all you need is a way to send it volume commands--like with an IR blaster. |
| [23:16:08] | mike3_: | Just normal speakers |
| [23:16:39] | sphery: | Using S/PDIF with a TOS-Link optical connection or a coaxial digital audio cable, right? |
| [23:17:11] | sphery: | How are your speakers hooked up? From the mini-din connections on the soundcard directly to the speakers? |
| [23:17:48] | mike3_: | mini-din.. the green jack |
| [23:17:51] | mike3_: | then yes |
| [23:18:35] | sphery: | I mean, 1/8-in jacks--not mini-DIN. But, yeah, the green jack. |
| [23:18:43] | sphery: | That means that you're not using digital audio output. |
| [23:18:56] | sphery: | So, the normal way of controlling the volume should work. |
| [23:19:00] | mike3_: | which color is digital output.. should i use that? |
| [23:19:09] | sphery: | No. That makes things more complex. |
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| [23:19:46] | sphery: | (Although it's better sound quality--assuming an OK receiver (which is probably better than a great sound card).) |
| [23:20:35] | sphery: | So, do you have a master control for your sound card? I.e. does "amixer scontrols | grep Master" (no quotes) return any lines? |
| [23:20:43] | sphery: | BTW, what sound card? |
| [23:21:14] | mike3_: | sphery, I just set it to use the Master instead of PCM |
| [23:21:19] | mike3_: | sphery, 845g chipset |
| [23:21:22] | mike3_: | and it worked by the way |
| [23:21:46] | mike3_: | which color on the jack is considered digital |
| [23:21:46] | mike3_: | ? |
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| [23:22:31] | mike3_: | soundcard sorry |
| [23:22:46] | directhex: | a sort of beige tan color |
| [23:22:49] | sphery: | Usually digital will be an optical connection (black square connector, might have a "plug" inside it to protect the optics). |
| [23:22:57] | directhex: | or an optical connector |
| [23:23:05] | mike3_: | i just have an integrated sound card |
| [23:23:07] | sphery: | or a beige connector ;) |
| [23:23:17] | sphery: | Do you have a receiver? |
| [23:23:26] | ** directhex gives sphery a biscuit ** | |
| [23:23:26] | mike3_: | no |
| [23:23:36] | sphery: | So, for now, at least, I'd recommend sticking with analog. |
| [23:23:54] | sphery: | (I'm still using analog and I have a pretty-OK receiver.) |
| [23:24:02] | Dibblah: | If it works, STOP FIDDLING :) |
| [23:24:03] | mike3_: | yah.... hrm... I'll deal with this later |
| [23:24:05] | mike3_: | thanks for the help |
| [23:24:08] | ** directhex has a proper hi-fi rig on his to-buy list, somewhere near a house and a sports car ** | |
| [23:24:55] | sphery: | Just want to do digital right (and, IMHO, right means 8-channel uncompressed PCM via digital link--i.e. HDMI 1.3+ in such a way that DRM doesn't ruin things). |
| [23:24:57] | Dibblah: | It makes things more complex, and shows up some of Myth's deficiencies :( |
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| [23:25:16] | sphery: | Dibblah: definitely true. |
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| [23:25:23] | Dibblah: | Okay. Deficiencies _if_ you don't do digital passthrough. |
| [23:25:42] | sphery: | Also makes you learn /way/ too much about digital audio/sound cards/receivers... |
| [23:25:52] | sphery: | Even if you do digital passthrough. |
| [23:26:02] | sphery: | Most sound cards will only do 48kHz AC-3 passthrough. |
| [23:26:17] | Dibblah: | Compression really doesn't hurt all that much. |
| [23:26:34] | Dibblah: | Especially if the source is using the same compression as the link. |
| [23:26:37] | sphery: | And, with passthrough, you can't do timestretch. |
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| [23:26:58] | sphery: | I'd say, the /first/ compression doesn't hurt all that much. |
| [23:27:13] | sphery: | for timestretch, you'd have to uncompress, then recompress, complete with generational loss. |
| [23:27:14] | Dibblah: | Yeah. |
| [23:27:18] | sphery: | Granted, still not a lot. |
| [23:27:37] | sphery: | But, to put it in terms an Olive producer would understand, I like my audio extra virgin. |
| [23:28:03] | Dibblah: | Always handy, in case one breaks. |
| [23:28:23] | ** directhex superheats sphery and squeezes him, then runs him through the blender just to be sure ** | |
| [23:28:54] | sphery: | lol. Someone knows more about olive oil production than me. (Actually, probably everyone does :). |
| [23:29:05] | Dibblah: | Well, at least the zap2it discussions have died down. |
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| [23:29:15] | ** Dibblah ducks.. ** | |
| [23:29:17] | directhex: | sphery, i might suck with audio, but i enjoy cooking |
| [23:29:31] | Dibblah: | Didn't need that image. |
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| [23:30:41] | sphery: | Guess that "extra virgin" doesn't really mean anything (at least in the US). I probably should say, "I like my audio first-cold-pressed." |
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| [23:32:21] | ** sphery needs to get the US to join the International Olive Oil Council, and make laws making olive oil labels conform to IOOC standards. ** | |
| [23:33:03] | directhex: | do i remember right – EV is cold pressed, V is subsequently hot pressed, and regualr is a blender job? |
| [23:33:46] | sphery: | Wikipedia doesn't say that cold-pressed is required for EV. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_virgin_oli . . . abel_wording |
| [23:33:58] | sphery: | don't know how accure it is, though. |
| [23:34:05] | sphery: | s/accure/accurate/ |
| [23:34:43] | sphery: | Oops. It's just above that in Retail Grades... |
| [23:34:55] | sphery: | Stupid mouse, right clicking on the wrong thing. |
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| [23:37:20] | juski: | damn insomnia |
| [23:37:32] | sphery: | Hmmm. Seems the 1/8" (3.5mm) jacks are technically, "TRS" connectors. |
| [23:37:36] | directhex: | i only have EV in the house anyway. use it for everything. frying, salad, whatever |
| [23:38:08] | juski: | ahh sphery you're here :) can I have those patches please? you tested them with the latest theme versions then? cos if so I can prolly just commit em |
| [23:39:08] | juski: | I can always take the consequences later & undo/change bits after the fact ;) |
| [23:39:53] | sphery: | juski: sure. |
| [23:40:07] | sphery: | They're on http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/themes/ |
| [23:40:10] | juski: | might aswell seen as I can't sleep |
| [23:40:13] | sphery: | complete with screen shots. |
| [23:40:19] | sphery: | tested with the latest revs. |
| [23:40:34] | sphery: | (screenshots actually look right, now :) |
| [23:41:03] | juski: | I think I already did pg-wide tho |
| [23:41:30] | sphery: | Really. Didn't see the commits. |
| [23:41:34] | juski: | whoah |
| [23:41:43] | sphery: | Those were the only two of the ones in the themes directory. |
| [23:41:47] | juski: | not good. couldn't find the selector object! eek! |
| [23:41:49] | sphery: | blootube* were good. |
| [23:42:09] | sphery: | Are they broken patches? |
| [23:42:59] | juski: | this is a bad edit I think, before your patches |
| [23:43:02] | juski: | in pg-wide |
| [23:45:21] | sphery: | juski: You did fix neon-wide, already. |
| [23:45:33] | sphery: | in [13743] |
| [23:45:43] | juski: | ah yeah |
| [23:46:47] | juski: | <image name="filler" draworder="0" fleximage="no> |
| [23:46:56] | juski: | !trout juski broken-tag |
| [23:46:56] | ** MythLogBot slaps juski with a broken-tag trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [23:47:13] | sphery: | looks like pg-wide isn't yet patched. |
| [23:47:23] | sphery: | (BTW, I didn't check PG (non-wide).) |
| [23:47:37] | sphery: | didn't realize it was there. |
| [23:47:38] | juski: | heh.. not a great priority tbh |
| [23:48:13] | sphery: | I'm guessing--based on the placement in the -wide version, it's probably right. :) Looks like the arrows were where they should be in an 800x600 screen. |
| [23:48:33] | sphery: | You got the missing selector thing? |
| [23:48:43] | juski: | yeah sorted it |
| [23:48:45] | juski: | broken tag |
| [23:48:54] | sphery: | cool. |
| [23:49:47] | sphery: | Oh, also, with my date format ("Thu Jun 21 2007, 7:49 PM"), the 300-pixel clock container isn't big enough. |
| [23:49:50] | sphery: | 350 works. |
| [23:50:05] | sphery: | I haven't cut it down to the smallest working one, though. |
| [23:50:26] | sphery: | I've been just putting in 400. |
| [23:50:33] | juski: | I really dunno why the very long date formats even exist |
| [23:50:56] | juski: | there's so much info to fit onscreen AND take the overscan area into account it's tough |
| [23:51:04] | sphery: | 300 worked for <20, but the 2 is too big. |
| [23:51:22] | sphery: | Yeah. Especially for the non-wide. |
| [23:51:31] | sphery: | (I haven't looked at those.) |
| [23:51:43] | juski: | which 300-wide clock container? prog details or the program info bit? |
| [23:51:45] | sphery: | I don't mind just patching mine if you want to leave it. |
| [23:51:53] | sphery: | in base.xml |
| [23:51:59] | sphery: | the main clock |
| [23:52:01] | juski: | ah THAT one.. lol |
| [23:52:03] | sphery: | new one that gbee wrote |
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| [23:52:13] | sphery: | Sorry. Should have warned you I switched tracks. :) |
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| [23:52:47] | juski: | just gonna sync the pg-wide in my own svn server to my local copy of 'themes' |
| [23:53:31] | sphery: | BTW, I'm loving the themes. |
| [23:53:53] | sphery: | As a former Minimalist-wide user, I didn't know that recordings were supposed to change color when they went into a playlist in Watch Recordings. |
| [23:54:10] | juski: | they can do, or not :) |
| [23:54:17] | juski: | depends what the theme designer intended |
| [23:54:19] | sphery: | I actually had a TODO on my list to fix Myth to support showing what's in the playlist. ::) |
| [23:54:41] | sphery: | I like that it does in neon. |
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| [23:55:48] | sphery: | And that I have a selector when creating a new schedule so I know whether I'm on Cancel or Save these settings. |
| [23:55:51] | juski: | does that in all my themes.. I use the playlist feature to delete multiple things a lot |
| [23:56:18] | sphery: | Yeah. I just deleted two series that ran a few episodes and then got cancelled today. |
| [23:56:21] | sphery: | That's when I noticed it. |
| [23:56:40] | sphery: | (actually, today I deleted, they weren't cancelled today) |
| [23:57:02] | juski: | I'll have to sit down & have a proper sort out here – they're in a bit of a mess, like my head |
| [23:57:19] | sphery: | Yeah. Matching up 2 SVN repos is a challenge. |
| [23:58:43] | sphery: | I've been considering doing it with vendor branches, but have found my tar/patches/good notes/copy and paste to work quite well. |
| [23:58:46] | juski: | I think what I might end up doing is replace my tarballs with downloadable scripts which check them out from svn |
| [23:59:16] | juski: | maintaining EIGHT themes is one thing, doing it with eight in two repos is another |
| [23:59:27] | sphery: | yeah. |
| [23:59:35] | juski: | my own worst enemy, me |
| [23:59:46] | sphery: | Some of the devs might have some suggestions for you, though. |
| [23:59:54] | juski: | I just can't fscking STOP! |
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