| Tuesday, June 19th, 2007, 00:08 UTC | ||
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| [00:08:35] | Beirdo: | seems the spew from the trac upgrade put the connection into a funky state after a while |
| [00:08:51] | Brian2: | Okay, so – how do I start mysql? |
| [00:09:00] | Beirdo: | anyways, Brian2... the first thing to try is just starting up mysql. How depends on distro |
| [00:09:12] | Beirdo: | it could be that it's not starting on startup |
| [00:09:17] | Brian2: | ubuntu feisty |
| [00:09:23] | Brian2: | how do I start it manually? |
| [00:09:29] | Brian2: | Then I can figure out how to start it automatically. |
| [00:09:38] | hads: | sudo invoke-rc.d mysql start |
| [00:09:43] | Beirdo: | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| [00:09:46] | Beirdo: | as root |
| [00:09:49] | Beirdo: | or that :) |
| [00:09:56] | hads: | Either or :) |
| [00:10:12] | Beirdo: | dunno why they bothered to wrap the script with another script, either way should do it |
| [00:10:42] | hads: | I just use invoke-rc.d as the tab complete is better for it :) |
| [00:12:05] | Beirdo: | then look in /etc/rc2.d, see if S20mysql is there |
| [00:12:17] | Beirdo: | if not, that's why it didn't start automatically |
| [00:12:46] | Brian2: | Okay, I've started the server but now I'm getting the "cannot find backend server" error. |
| [00:12:59] | Brian2: | Tried it with both the IP and with "localhost" in the setup |
| [00:13:03] | Beirdo: | does mysqld show up in your processes? |
| [00:13:13] | Beirdo: | as a starter? |
| [00:13:23] | Brian2: | No |
| [00:13:49] | hads: | Not a lot of point trying anything else until that's working. |
| [00:13:49] | Beirdo: | ummm, you got problems |
| [00:13:49] | fxfitz: | How come whenever I set up authentication with MythWeb, after I authenticate I have indexes? |
| [00:13:51] | niter3: | man this sucks a fat cock |
| [00:13:53] | niter3: | urgg |
| [00:13:55] | niter3: | so frustrated |
| [00:14:01] | Beirdo: | !trout niter3 |
| [00:14:01] | ** MythLogBot slaps niter3 with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [00:14:12] | niter3: | !trout niter3 |
| [00:14:12] | ** MythLogBot slaps niter3 with a trout on behalf of niter3... ** | |
| [00:14:18] | niter3: | !spank niter3 |
| [00:14:21] | niter3: | damn |
| [00:14:22] | Beirdo: | Brian2, OK, look in /var/log |
| [00:14:38] | niter3: | this entire mythtv box is screwed! |
| [00:14:53] | Brian2: | I see mysql.err |
| [00:15:05] | Beirdo: | OK, good |
| [00:15:12] | Brian2: | But it's a blank file |
| [00:15:19] | Beirdo: | less daemon.log |
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| [00:15:28] | Beirdo: | see if mysqld logged any nasty errors |
| [00:16:13] | Beirdo: | if it's not staying running, one would hope it would log why |
| [00:17:11] | hads: | Try syslog too |
| [00:17:16] | Beirdo: | aye. |
| [00:17:24] | Brian2: | Jun 15 21:54:16 media-desktop /etc/mysql/debian-start[5633]: WARNING: mysqlcheck |
| [00:17:24] | Brian2: | has found corrupt tables |
| [00:17:33] | hads: | There you go then :) |
| [00:17:36] | Brian2: | Like -that-? |
| [00:17:36] | Beirdo: | OK, you'd better fix em |
| [00:17:45] | Beirdo: | mysqld is not running? |
| [00:17:52] | Beirdo: | cd /var/lib/mysql |
| [00:18:17] | Beirdo: | myisamck */*.MYI |
| [00:18:22] | Beirdo: | let it fix em all |
| [00:18:33] | Beirdo: | (as root, of course) |
| [00:18:44] | Brian2: | myisamck – command not found |
| [00:18:55] | Beirdo: | mysql really doesn't like powerfailures |
| [00:18:59] | Beirdo: | really? one sec |
| [00:19:20] | Brian2: | That would explain why the computer was off at the time... |
| [00:19:21] | Beirdo: | sorry |
| [00:19:35] | Beirdo: | myisamchk */*.MYI |
| [00:19:41] | Beirdo: | missed a h |
| [00:20:03] | Brian2: | Okay, that ran. |
| [00:20:06] | Beirdo: | that will check every database on the mysql server. every table |
| [00:20:26] | Brian2: | what next? Is everything fixed now? |
| [00:20:41] | Beirdo: | did it report which one was crashed? |
| [00:21:44] | Brian2: | Not in any obvious way. I can't tell but it looks fine. What will a crash look like? |
| [00:22:03] | Beirdo: | not sure, it would report issues |
| [00:22:40] | Beirdo: | well myisamchk -r */*.MYI should do a repair |
| [00:22:42] | Brian2: | well, check data references index is 1. Is that an issue? There doesn't seem to be any issues that I can see. |
| [00:23:14] | Brian2: | Okay, that's done. |
| [00:23:29] | Beirdo: | well, that should have repaired every table |
| [00:23:39] | Beirdo: | soooo, try starting mysqld again? |
| [00:24:01] | Beirdo: | you shoulda seen the fun I had repairing the database for the bot... |
| [00:24:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [00:24:15] | Beirdo: | took me about 5 attempts, and each took over half an hour |
| [00:24:26] | Beirdo: | stupid nearly 2M row table with full-text index :) |
| [00:24:57] | Brian2: | :( |
| [00:25:33] | Beirdo: | 1,919,827 rows. |
| [00:25:35] | Beirdo: | fun |
| [00:25:39] | Brian2: | No, it's not working. Dammit, at this point? I gotta say that I gotta go with Windows Media Center edition. I'm sorry man. MythTV is very, very nice but it's just too much of a pain if this is going to happen every time there's a power surge. |
| [00:25:53] | Beirdo: | this rarely happens |
| [00:26:04] | Brian2: | This is my 3rd day using MythTV. |
| [00:26:10] | Beirdo: | did it log anything when it failed this time? |
| [00:26:30] | Beirdo: | relax, once you have the wrinkles ironed out... it's pretty sweet |
| [00:26:42] | Beirdo: | but once again, your machine :) |
| [00:27:03] | Brian2: | Beirdo – not that I know of. |
| [00:27:16] | Beirdo: | weird |
| [00:27:22] | Brian2: | which log file do you want me to take a look at. |
| [00:27:25] | Beirdo: | I would have expected something to be logged |
| [00:27:29] | Beirdo: | in /var/log |
| [00:27:38] | Beirdo: | likely either syslog or daemon.log |
| [00:27:57] | Beirdo: | right down at the end of the file there should be mysqld entries from when you restarted it |
| [00:28:45] | Brian2: | This is greek to me. I'm going to find a pastebin. |
| [00:28:50] | Beirdo: | k |
| [00:29:03] | Beirdo: | www.pastebin.ca is usually pretty fast |
| [00:29:19] | Brian2: | http://pastebin.com/931726 |
| [00:29:59] | Brian2: | See anything, Doc? |
| [00:31:11] | Beirdo: | it's definitely shutting back down |
| [00:31:40] | Beirdo: | oohhh |
| [00:31:44] | Beirdo: | cd /var/lib/mysql |
| [00:31:45] | Beirdo: | ls -al |
| [00:31:52] | Beirdo: | who owns the subdirs? |
| [00:32:24] | Beirdo: | they SHOULD be like drwx------ 2 mysql mysql 7464 2007-05–18 11:54 mythconverg |
| [00:32:34] | Brian2: | THey're not. |
| [00:32:42] | Beirdo: | if that says root root instead of mysql mysql.... that would be a problem |
| [00:32:57] | Brian2: | http://pastebin.com/931728 |
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| [00:33:35] | Brian2: | most say mysql mysql but some say root root and others say root mysql |
| [00:33:44] | hads: | `sudo chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql/` |
| [00:34:01] | Beirdo: | yeah that :) |
| [00:34:18] | Beirdo: | those SHOULD be OK, but maybe not |
| [00:34:54] | hads: | Maybe not as /var/lib/mysql itself looks like it isn't owned by mysql from that syslog info. |
| [00:35:15] | Beirdo: | as root, chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql/ |
| [00:35:19] | Beirdo: | yeah it is |
| [00:35:34] | hads: | Oh, is too :) |
| [00:35:56] | hads: | Mis-read. I'll go back to work :) |
| [00:36:46] | Brian2: | Still can't access the backend. Mythtv-frontend runs, but I can't watch TV or watch my recordings |
| [00:37:28] | hads: | Slow steps. Don't try and jump ahead. |
| [00:37:46] | Beirdo: | until mysqld stays running, mythbackend won't start right |
| [00:39:41] | Beirdo: | so after the chmod, do /etc/init.d/mysqld start |
| [00:39:51] | Beirdo: | then ps auxww | grep mysqld |
| [00:39:57] | Beirdo: | to make sure it's running |
| [00:40:57] | Beirdo: | if it is, THEN start up mythbackend |
| [00:41:08] | Brian2: | there's no init.d directory in /etc |
| [00:41:29] | Beirdo: | ok, invoke-rc.d mysql start |
| [00:41:32] | Brian2: | But that's okay because it's fixed now! |
| [00:41:42] | Beirdo: | stupid ubuntu scrapping a proper init setup |
| [00:41:45] | Beirdo: | anyways... |
| [00:41:46] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [00:41:51] | Brian2: | It's working. Re-ran Mythtv-setup on a hunch after changing ownership |
| [00:41:58] | Brian2: | Seems to be working :) |
| [00:42:04] | Beirdo: | excellent |
| [00:42:15] | Beirdo: | the joys of unix file ownership working |
| [00:42:50] | Brian2: | I'll stick with MythTV, but... well, it's on notice. :( |
| [00:43:12] | Brian2: | This happens again, I'm going to Windows. Sorry, man, but this is Strike 2. (First strike was when I had trouble with audio) |
| [00:43:14] | hads: | there's no init.d directory in /etc ? Um, yeah there is. |
| [00:43:37] | hads: | Brian2: Those type of threats are silly. The standard answer is "Off you go then" |
| [00:43:44] | Brian2: | Hads: I know. |
| [00:43:52] | Brian2: | Hads: But it feels better when I say it. |
| [00:43:57] | hads: | People don't mind if you use Windows. |
| [00:43:59] | Brian2: | hads: frustration and all. |
| [00:44:00] | Brian2: | :) |
| [00:44:30] | Brian2: | S'okay. I go both ways. |
| [00:44:42] | Brian2: | And by that, I mean I use Linux and Windows. |
| [00:45:36] | Brian2: | So, let's say that I recorded Robot Chicken's Star Wars special and I wanted to turn it into an Xvid file that I can burn to CD and play anywhere. How do I do this? |
| [00:45:52] | directhex: | xvid doesn't play anywhere |
| [00:46:03] | Brian2: | Play anywhere that plays xvid. |
| [00:46:52] | Beirdo: | I think nuvexport or mytharchive |
| [00:47:43] | directhex: | mytharchive's for dvds isn't it? |
| [00:47:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, right. hehe |
| [00:47:58] | Beirdo: | oops |
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| [00:49:38] | hads: | mytharchive would be useful if you could do native archives to USB disk or something. |
| [00:49:58] | hads: | I guess there's probably some other functionality to do it though. |
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| [00:50:58] | Zider: | so have a USB disk mounted wherever mytharchive writes to ;P |
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| [00:51:44] | hads: | Doesn't it write to DVD? I've never played with it much. |
| [00:51:55] | Paladine: | anyone know if the uk grabber for xmltv has been updated for the channel renumbering sky did today? |
| [00:52:05] | Paladine: | all my channels are cocked up |
| [00:52:07] | Zider: | I thought mytharchive did from dvd to disk? |
| [00:52:22] | hads: | Oh, it does export to files too :) |
| [00:52:36] | hads: | Zider: And back the other way |
| [00:52:40] | Zider: | ah |
| [00:53:14] | hads: | The use case I was thinking of is I recorded something but a friend missed it, so I could export it to USB disk and import it on their box. |
| [00:53:36] | Beirdo: | how.. illegal :) |
| [00:53:39] | Zider: | hm.. should I stay here in the channel even tho I'm not using mythtv anymore? :P |
| [00:54:04] | hads: | Beirdo: Hm, possibly, depends on the country I guess :) |
| [00:54:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, true |
| [00:54:25] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it's legal some places |
| [00:54:40] | Beirdo: | but certainly not in the USA or Canada |
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| [01:26:10] | Brian2: | Okay, I transcoded a file as an mpeg4. Where does MythTV store those transcoded files? |
| [01:26:48] | mikeones_: | is there anyway to record a show, run nuvexport to shrink it, delete the original file and replace it with the new .avi while still being able to access the new avi from mythweb through the streamer when do? |
| [01:27:16] | mikeones_: | *done |
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| [01:40:40] | GreyFoxx: | Brian2: If you used myth to transcode a recording it will be in the recordings directoryh |
| [01:40:52] | GreyFoxx: | (not counting transcoded dvd stuff) |
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| [01:46:58] | imperfect-: | Hi, I have two questions. 1. HOw do I turn on de-interlacing in DVD playback and 2. How do I tell mplayer to change the volume of the PCM device that is always set to 70 |
| [01:47:07] | imperfect-: | (better yet how can I always max it out first |
| [01:48:22] | Brian2: | I'm trying to run nuvexport from the terminal but for some weird, weird reason, Xvid is always disabled. Even tried installing the codec from source. |
| [01:51:14] | mikeones: | ffmpeg? |
| [01:52:44] | Brian2: | Apparently, it's the latest version |
| [01:52:50] | imperfect-: | an |
| [01:52:59] | imperfect-: | There has got to be a way to turn on deinterlacing |
| [01:53:04] | imperfect-: | I've seen te damn setting a million times |
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| [02:00:10] | Mr_Grieves: | my mysql db is screwed up...anytime I try to start mythfront end I get a warning about setting the DBSchemaVer variable. My mythconverg/settings table is empty! Is there a way to regenerate the table without dumping all the data in the database? |
| [02:00:23] | imperfect-: | Anyone at all |
| [02:00:31] | imperfect-: | NO one can tell me how to turn on de-interlacting |
| [02:01:00] | Mr_Grieves: | imperfect-: I'm not sure but I believe I saw the option on the menu during play back |
| [02:01:58] | mikeones: | imperfect: check in nuvexportrc if using nuvexport |
| [02:02:40] | imperfect-: | I'm not |
| [02:02:51] | imperfect-: | Imusing the the internet DVD player application |
| [02:02:54] | imperfect-: | and everything looks like this |
| [02:03:19] | imperfect-: | er like crap |
| [02:03:43] | imperfect-: | i need to have deinterlacing turned on |
| [02:03:49] | imperfect-: | this is a basic feature |
| [02:03:52] | imperfect-: | i know it's possible |
| [02:03:53] | imperfect-: | ;) |
| [02:04:05] | Mr_Grieves: | Have you tried http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Deinterlacing |
| [02:05:53] | imperfect-: | m http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Deinterlacing |
| [02:05:54] | imperfect-: | YEAH |
| [02:05:56] | imperfect-: | I DONT SEE THAT |
| [02:07:22] | Mr_Grieves: | /ignore imperfect- |
| [02:07:47] | Mr_Grieves: | it says where it is on the top... |
| [02:08:09] | imperfect-: | well |
| [02:08:11] | imperfect-: | You can ignore |
| [02:08:14] | Mr_Grieves: | given that you are using the default menu layout |
| [02:08:15] | imperfect-: | but i'm watcing a DVD |
| [02:08:17] | imperfect-: | not TV |
| [02:08:25] | Mr_Grieves: | worth a shot |
| [02:08:45] | GreyFoxx: | playback is playback |
| [02:08:52] | imperfect-: | So it dosn't matter? |
| [02:08:55] | imperfect-: | hey if it works |
| [02:08:59] | imperfect-: | i'm a happy camper |
| [02:09:06] | imperfect-: | how bout controlling audio correctly? Any ideas? |
| [02:09:23] | GreyFoxx: | You might consider being specific |
| [02:09:33] | imperfect-: | I explained it earlier |
| [02:09:39] | imperfect-: | PCM is always as 70 |
| [02:09:42] | imperfect-: | I can't control it |
| [02:09:50] | imperfect-: | so I've got to ssh to the box and use alsa mixer each time |
| [02:09:55] | imperfect-: | I'd rather it be linked to volume ;) |
| [02:11:38] | GreyFoxx: | See if you have internal volume controls enabled |
| [02:11:51] | imperfect-: | What menu item is this? |
| [02:11:52] | Mr_Grieves: | Is there a way to regenerate a db table that became corrupted during a crash? Particularly mythconverg/settings. I've tried rerunning mythtv-setup but it seems to do no good. |
| [02:12:16] | GreyFoxx: | Mr_Grieves: read up on the "Repair table" mysql command |
| [02:12:16] | imperfect-: | And yeah |
| [02:12:25] | imperfect-: | Even when kernel de-int there's still a shitload of motion blur |
| [02:13:01] | GreyFoxx: | imperfect-: the audio seting is like page 2 or 3 of the General settings in the frontend Setup menu |
| [02:13:22] | Beirdo: | argh, xris ain't here. had an svn question for him |
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| [02:14:35] | imperfect-: | mYeah |
| [02:14:42] | imperfect-: | I'm not seeing it uner genereal |
| [02:14:43] | Mr_Grieves: | GreyFoxx: I've tried it; I keep getting the error :( |
| [02:15:10] | GreyFoxx: | imperfect-: IT's the 4rd page, where the audio devi ces and volumes and such are defined |
| [02:15:13] | GreyFoxx: | 3rd page |
| [02:15:43] | imperfect-: | Okay |
| [02:15:44] | imperfect-: | I found it |
| [02:15:48] | imperfect-: | It's checked |
| [02:15:51] | imperfect-: | do I want it unchecked? |
| [02:16:24] | GreyFoxx: | I believe you want it checked if you want myth to control colume |
| [02:16:29] | imperfect-: | well |
| [02:16:33] | imperfect-: | when I hit volup/voldown |
| [02:16:37] | imperfect-: | it dont do jack |
| [02:17:04] | GreyFoxx: | And what if any output do you see on the frontend console? Any errors relating to audio ? |
| [02:17:05] | imperfect-: | what is it |
| [02:17:06] | imperfect-: | irw? |
| [02:17:09] | imperfect-: | nope |
| [02:17:25] | imperfect-: | I'm wondering if i"m just not sing the correct .lircrc |
| [02:18:20] | GreyFoxx: | does your OSD show anything ? |
| [02:18:37] | GreyFoxx: | If not, then your lirc config might be your problem |
| [02:19:51] | imperfect-: | Nope |
| [02:19:57] | imperfect-: | but I'm controlling mth with th remote no problem |
| [02:20:07] | GreyFoxx: | doesn't mean every button is working |
| [02:20:29] | imperfect-: | Yeah |
| [02:20:33] | imperfect-: | I just tried to watch the DVD |
| [02:20:48] | imperfect-: | the bottom half of the screen is a locked frame from what I was watching earlier |
| [02:20:53] | imperfect-: | the top half is the menu of the DVD |
| [02:20:54] | sphery: | imperfect-: To what key (i.e. "config =") do you have the volume buttons mapped? |
| [02:20:57] | imperfect-: | ad the whole screen is shaking |
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| [02:24:39] | imperfect-: | yeah okay |
| [02:24:43] | imperfect-: | this sucks |
| [02:24:46] | imperfect-: | No matter what I do |
| [02:24:50] | imperfect-: | whe he moves his heads |
| [02:24:54] | imperfect-: | er head |
| [02:25:01] | imperfect-: | is need deinterlated |
| [02:25:04] | imperfect-: | i'm watching in a plasma |
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| [02:46:37] | Mr_Grieves: | Is there a way to regenerate the mysql table "settings"? |
| [02:47:10] | Mr_Grieves: | there is NO trace of this anymore in /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg |
| [02:48:28] | Mr_Grieves: | I've been digging through docs for the last hour or two but to no avail. How is the table populated in an initial install? That's probably what I need to redo. |
| [02:54:48] | Tanthrix: | Setup myth with a new db, then copy the settings table into your current db maybe? |
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| [02:58:51] | hads: | myth is pretty good at automatically creating it's schema, does it not do it for you? |
| [03:00:11] | Mr_Grieves: | Tanthrix: I'll try that / hads: It crashed early and the settings.MYI/frm/etc files were gone :( |
| [03:00:23] | Mr_Grieves: | *earlier |
| [03:01:45] | hads: | Mr_Grieves: http://dpaste.com/12509/ |
| [03:04:47] | Mr_Grieves: | hads: do I rerun mythtv-setup afterwards :) |
| [03:06:18] | hads: | Not sure. AFAIK mythtv-setup/mythbackend/mythfrontend will automatically create/update/populate the tables for you whenever they are run. |
| [03:12:14] | Mr_Grieves: | ok....mythfrontend is loading. Running mythtv-setup repopulated the table, except for the DBSchemaVer entry. I manually added in the "current" version mentioned in mythfrontend output (1160) and then everything worked ok :) |
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| [03:26:07] | bball_: | can I use a pvr350 as purely an output device for mythtv ? |
| [03:26:30] | bball_: | for example use a dvb-s card to actually tune channels |
| [03:26:45] | bball_: | and the pvr350 just for mpeg-2 decoding and OSD |
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| [03:27:13] | hads: | Probably but the 350 as an output isn't a great idea these days |
| [03:27:30] | mikeones: | why hads |
| [03:27:45] | hads: | Much bettter off with a nvidia card, the TV output is better quality. |
| [03:28:02] | hads: | And it's a simpler setup |
| [03:28:26] | hads: | I believe the 350 is EOL too |
| [03:28:56] | mikeones: | is there anyway to record a show, run nuvexport to shrink it, delete the original file and replace it with the new .avi while still being able to access the new avi from mythweb through the streamer when done? |
| [03:29:33] | Dr_willis: | Proberly :) |
| [03:29:36] | bball_: | but I prefer video quality of hardware decoders |
| [03:29:57] | Dr_willis: | I need to track down a similer script – only convet things for my gp2x |
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| [03:30:36] | bball_: | I've mucked with the endless parameters that you can change for software deocders but never really got picture quality that I liked for some reason |
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| [03:36:17] | wastrel: | ahoy |
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| [03:47:01] | wastrel: | well i'm watching tv on my computer. |
| [03:47:35] | wastrel: | now just got to get sound, composite output and irblaster working |
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| [03:51:56] | dreamweb: | Hey guys. Wondering if someone might be able to help out a total newb with a knoppmyth install... |
| [04:00:29] | wastrel: | hi |
| [04:01:11] | dreamweb: | hi |
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| [04:10:13] | Reality-X: | hello all, just a quick question, what would be the best way to have 1 MythTV box work for multiple TV's (IE Replace two set top boxes) |
| [04:10:34] | wastrel: | mythtv eh |
| [04:11:02] | Reality-X: | or any other linux based HTPC for the matter |
| [04:11:59] | Reality-X: | my cable comp has got me set up w/ two really crapy boxes, the recording process is way to completed and my wife is starting to complain =) |
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| [04:23:57] | mikeones: | Reality-X: check out the mediamvp, it's less than 100 bucks. |
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| [04:24:17] | Reality-X: | cool thx |
| [04:27:17] | Reality-X: | eh not quite, seems like my PS3 already does what that device does |
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| [04:41:03] | simcop2387-tv: | ok i'm having a slight issue with getting video over firewire in mythtv, it works great with test-mpeg2 and i can play it back great too, but mythtv just never seems to write out anything to the disk and the frontend times out and stop the whole thing after about 5–10 seconds, and i can't for the life of me understand it |
| [04:41:43] | cesman: | Reality-X: install mythtv in a system w/ multiple tuners |
| [04:42:08] | cesman: | if yu _must_ have a "cable box", use IRBlaster to controll the boxes |
| [04:42:27] | cesman: | have 1 masterbackend/frontend and a remote frontend |
| [04:43:15] | Reality-X: | was planning on that already, but how do i basicly replace both of my set top boxes w/ a mythtv system |
| [04:43:29] | Reality-X: | remote frontend you say? |
| [04:43:56] | cesman: | I basically told you above |
| [04:44:06] | cesman: | yes, remote frontend |
| [04:44:32] | cesman: | I assume since you have two cable boxes, you have two tvs tyou'll want MythTV on correct? |
| [04:44:45] | Reality-X: | well three, but yes |
| [04:45:06] | cesman: | ok, a master backend and 2 remote frontends |
| [04:45:07] | Reality-X: | was trying to keep all the recording done in one place accessible from all the tv's |
| [04:45:36] | cesman: | you'll get just that with what I suggested |
| [04:45:56] | cesman: | MythTV streams the recording to it's frontends |
| [04:46:30] | Reality-X: | cool, any quality dropage? |
| [04:46:39] | cesman: | no |
| [04:46:43] | Reality-X: | say for the HD channels, etc |
| [04:46:46] | Reality-X: | very cool |
| [04:46:58] | cesman: | no |
| [04:47:21] | cesman: | you'll just want to ensure your frontends are powerful enough to playback HD |
| [04:47:51] | Reality-X: | well only have 1 HD tv atm, so prob set the master up on that one |
| [04:48:06] | cesman: | that is what I have here |
| [04:48:51] | cesman: | a master back/frontend and a slave back/frontend |
| [04:48:59] | cesman: | http://mysettopbox.tv/linhes.html |
| [04:49:15] | ** cesman should update that to reflect his new hardware.... ** | |
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| [04:49:42] | Reality-X: | heh nice |
| [04:50:16] | Reality-X: | so master gets tuner cards, and frontend just needs network connectivity w/ master and video output to tv correct |
| [04:50:36] | cesman: | yes |
| [04:51:41] | Reality-X: | awesome thx for the help |
| [04:51:49] | cesman: | you're welcome |
| [04:57:17] | simcop2387-tv: | does mythtv number firewire ports and nodes from zero or one? |
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| [05:00:02] | Reality-X: | cesman, got another one for ya, do you have digital cable, or are you using OTA? |
| [05:00:49] | cesman: | OTA |
| [05:01:27] | cesman: | w/ 4 tuners :) |
| [05:03:05] | Reality-X: | heh nice |
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| [05:04:06] | cesman: | yeah, it is nice not missing any of the programs you want to record... |
| [05:04:16] | cesman: | the trick is finding the time to watch them |
| [05:04:36] | Reality-X: | yea w/ the 2 STB i have we still get "conflicts" |
| [05:05:07] | cesman: | it is nice once you do have time, you don't have to sit of an "hour", only 42 minutes or so... |
| [05:05:41] | Reality-X: | yea so how is that comerical edit out feature, does it work well? |
| [05:06:10] | cesman: | very well! |
| [05:06:37] | Reality-X: | does it do it automaticly, or do you have to set start and end points? |
| [05:06:57] | cesman: | it automatically flags |
| [05:07:15] | Reality-X: | very cool |
| [05:07:18] | cesman: | at least I think it does... |
| [05:07:26] | cesman: | with KnoppMyth, that is the default |
| [05:07:45] | cesman: | we ensure it is set to flag |
| [05:07:46] | Reality-X: | ahh gostsa love knoppix |
| [05:08:01] | cesman: | Yes, Knoppix is great |
| [05:08:13] | cesman: | however, KnoppMyth is no longer a Knoppix remaster |
| [05:08:51] | Reality-X: | oh |
| [05:10:15] | Grecko: | So you guys are usually pretty good with this stuff, maybe you can help. I had an X config that worked fine about an hour ago, hasn't changed. In the meantime I tried a different X config, and now the monitor only shows an image in the center portion (left and right sides are just black). Any ideas? |
| [05:10:18] | cesman: | while some Knoppix scripts are still used, it is build from scratch on Debian Sid |
| [05:10:55] | Reality-X: | Im liking debian more and more |
| [05:10:58] | cesman: | first thing I'd suggest is revert to old config |
| [05:11:02] | Reality-X: | Grecko, swich back configs |
| [05:11:39] | Reality-X: | what tuner should i use to get the majority of my digital cable service? |
| [05:11:46] | Grecko: | Reality-X: Did that. Doesn't work. |
| [05:11:59] | Reality-X: | Grecko, then something else has changed |
| [05:12:10] | Grecko: | Reality-X: Any ideas what? |
| [05:12:25] | Reality-X: | Grecko, try running the config app again w/ lower basic settings just to get X back up and running again |
| [05:12:31] | Grecko: | Reality-X: I've rebooted, unplugged everything, plugged it all back in again, etc etc. |
| [05:12:52] | Grecko: | Reality-X: X works fine on the laptops display. Even works on the external CRT – its just that the image only takes up like 60% of the display. |
| [05:13:14] | Reality-X: | oh its a laptop |
| [05:13:22] | Tanthrix: | Reality-X: Any QAM tuner, but how many channels you can get depends on if everything is encrypted or not. Also, firewire out from a STB is another decent way to go if that doesn't work. |
| [05:13:24] | Grecko: | Hell, if I disable the LCD and use just the CRT, and use xfce4's settings panel, I can get the CRT working fine. But in xinerama, it refuses to. |
| [05:13:55] | Tanthrix: | Reality-X: (I get all my channels, including HD stuff, minus two with firewire out, but only the OTA stuff via QAM) |
| [05:14:24] | Reality-X: | Tanthrix, what cable comp do you use? |
| [05:14:29] | Paladine: | grecko this for myth? if so you need to pass --disable-xrandr with ./configure to use xinerama |
| [05:14:58] | Paladine: | xinerama disables xrandr and unless you explicitly build mythtv with it disabled, it doesn't work properly |
| [05:15:08] | Tanthrix: | Reality-X: Comcast, but it's different for every local branch. |
| [05:15:16] | Paladine: | brb |
| [05:15:39] | Reality-X: | yea i used to have comcast, now i've moved to the middle of country and have cox |
| [05:16:44] | Reality-X: | Tanthrix, OTA w/ QAM? |
| [05:16:58] | Grecko: | Paladine: No, I'm just trying to get one of my machines working again and everyone else is stumped or is ignoring me :P |
| [05:17:13] | Tanthrix: | Reality-X: "but only the OTA stuff via QAM" |
| [05:17:41] | Tanthrix: | Reality-X: Or were you asking me to explain what I meant? |
| [05:17:56] | mikeones: | is SD cable NTSC or QAM/ATSC? |
| [05:18:12] | simcop2387-tv: | NTSC usually |
| [05:18:12] | Tanthrix: | mikeones: Can be either. |
| [05:18:18] | Reality-X: | ohh so firewire form your cable company, and the OTA w/ a QAM tuner (which can also tune cable correct) |
| [05:18:36] | Tanthrix: | If it's analog, then it's NTSC, but if it's digital then it's QAM (or something similar) |
| [05:18:47] | Grecko: | Reality-X: What could have changed that I could check? |
| [05:19:09] | mikeones: | Tanthrix: but the majority of SD cable is NTSC correct? |
| [05:19:16] | Reality-X: | Grecko, hmm so you only changed some settings in your X config |
| [05:19:27] | simcop2387-tv: | i'm having problems getting firewire setup :-( |
| [05:19:39] | Tanthrix: | Reality-X: QAM is what most digital cable channels are transmitted via in the US, and what I meant is that while I can get all my cable channels via firewire out, they are encrypted so I can't get them with a regular QAM tuner – only the unencrypted over the air stuff |
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| [05:20:11] | Tanthrix: | mikeones: Couldn't say, but I wouldn't want to make that claim, especially since analog is on the way out. |
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| [05:20:25] | Grecko: | Reality-X: I changed to a twinview xorg.conf, didn't work, changed back to my old conf. Doesn't work. |
| [05:20:41] | Reality-X: | Tanthrix, ahh ok |
| [05:20:54] | Tanthrix: | mikeones: Bottom line though is if you don't need a cable box, it's regular analog NTSC – if you do, it's probably digital. |
| [05:21:10] | Reality-X: | Grecko, what kind of laptop |
| [05:21:19] | Grecko: | Acer Aspire 9804 |
| [05:21:44] | Reality-X: | Grecko, there might be a function key that will fix your "zoom" issue |
| [05:22:03] | Reality-X: | i know i had a dell that did the same thing, the full screen wasnt being used basicly |
| [05:22:16] | Reality-X: | had to do a function key at boot to get it to look right again |
| [05:22:33] | Tanthrix: | Reality-X: So the annoying thing is that I have to rely on my cable box to get all but the OTA channels, so in addition to being at the mercy of their encryption, I am at the mercy of their buggy Motorlla STB |
| [05:22:37] | Grecko: | Its almost like the vert/horiz refresh rates in xorg.conf are being ignored – I set them to a specific value that I know used to work, monitor reports its getting a signal at the same rates as before I changed it |
| [05:22:47] | Tanthrix: | I bought my QAM tuner hoping that I would get more, but it was to no avail |
| [05:23:05] | Tanthrix: | Good though all the same, since two of the channels that wouldn't go over the firewire were oddly (and illegally) enough OTA channels |
| [05:23:40] | simcop2387-tv: | Tanthrix, that stinks, my local cable company has quite a few channels over QAM even when i'm not subscribing |
| [05:23:53] | Grecko: | I gotta head off. Guess I'll just have to fix this another time... |
| [05:24:15] | Tanthrix: | simcop2387: I get a complete sample of the home shopping channels, the local access channels, the OTA channels, and the discovery channel :/ |
| [05:24:30] | Tanthrix: | But that's all. |
| [05:24:32] | Reality-X: | Tanthrix, ahh, well i used to have that same motorolla, now i have a scientific atlanta |
| [05:24:40] | Reality-X: | Grecko, hope it works out for ya |
| [05:24:41] | mikeones: | does a QAM/ASTC card also pick up NTSC? |
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| [05:24:57] | Tanthrix: | mikeones: Only if it has an NTSC tuner built in. |
| [05:25:00] | simcop2387-tv: | Tanthrix, i've got my mythbox hooked up to my tv (its got a firewire out that works great, with test-mpeg2 anyway) but i haven't yet even gotten mythtv to even work properly with it, i can't even get it to record a thing |
| [05:25:03] | ** cesman should try and see what he can receive via QAM one day... ** | |
| [05:25:45] | Tanthrix: | mikeones: But you have to be careful, since some (maybe all?) tuner cards that have both often have a worthless frame grabber analog portion, such as the HD-5500 |
| [05:26:00] | simcop2387-tv: | cesman, i can pickup some of the on demand channels when my neighbors watch them |
| [05:26:10] | Tanthrix: | simcop2387: Weird. I couldn't get mine to work with test-mpeg2, but it works great with myth ;) |
| [05:26:13] | mikeones: | I just got a cheap kworld 115 card. |
| [05:26:37] | mikeones: | to check for OTA in my area. |
| [05:26:52] | kash: | Sid` |
| [05:26:53] | kash: | ping |
| [05:26:59] | mikeones: | may also check my SD cable also. |
| [05:27:03] | Reality-X: | here an easy way to see what is OTA, check anennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx |
| [05:27:07] | mikeones: | :) |
| [05:27:26] | Tanthrix: | mikeones: Likely you can get your OTA stuff over the cable, I believe it is standard to do that nowadays. |
| [05:27:27] | Reality-X: | punch in your address and you can see all the OTA stuff you can get |
| [05:28:10] | Reality-X: | however, you cant always get all the OTA stuff via cable, in my area ABC in HD is not on cable |
| [05:28:15] | Tanthrix: | mikeones: That card has the same chip as my A180 – it has a crappy frame grabber, so it's worthless. Get a PVR-150 if you want to do analog |
| [05:29:04] | Tanthrix: | Damn, it's slightly cheaper than my A180 too! |
| [05:29:15] | Tanthrix: | (I bought mine open box via newegg for $63 I think) |
| [05:29:25] | mikeones: | will I have a pvr-350 |
| [05:29:33] | mikeones: | *well |
| [05:30:01] | mikeones: | I got the 115 kworld for ASTC |
| [05:30:12] | Reality-X: | Tanthrix, now when using firewire, how many chans can you record/watch at the same time? |
| [05:30:30] | Tanthrix: | Reality-X: Only 1, from what I understand you cannot use both tuners at the same time |
| [05:30:30] | Paladine: | 1 presumably |
| [05:30:50] | Paladine: | you can't split a signal on a firewaire channel |
| [05:30:55] | Paladine: | firewire |
| [05:30:56] | Reality-X: | gah |
| [05:31:05] | Reality-X: | stupid STB |
| [05:31:27] | Tanthrix: | Paladine: No, but there are usually 2 firewire ports on STBs, presumably for the two tuners. Just not implemented yet. |
| [05:31:32] | Paladine: | that stupid STB is what is decrypting your tv |
| [05:31:37] | Paladine: | without it you would be SOL |
| [05:31:38] | Reality-X: | tobad it wasnt like the old days when a trip to radio shack would elivate your cable encription problems |
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| [05:32:23] | simcop2387-tv: | now its just a trip to the NSA computing facility, i know their root password! :) |
| [05:32:27] | Paladine: | you can probably still use both tuners, just not through firewore |
| [05:32:42] | Tanthrix: | Paladine: Only because it is a nuisance imposed upon us via the cable companies, not because cable boxes are inherently required. |
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| [05:32:48] | simcop2387-tv: | i just wish i could understand this problem |
| [05:32:57] | simcop2387-tv: | it just never seems to get recorded |
| [05:33:23] | Paladine: | can you select which tuner goes through the output in your stb menu? |
| [05:33:43] | Tanthrix: | No. |
| [05:33:56] | mikeones: | Tanthrix: does your A180 work well for ATSC? |
| [05:34:38] | Tanthrix: | mikeones: Haven't had a problem with it since the second day I've owned it, which was a few weeks ago. |
| [05:34:38] | Paladine: | on my dual tuner stb I can select the tuner each output channel should use I think |
| [05:34:54] | Paladine: | so using firewire for one tuner and svideo for the second |
| [05:34:57] | Tanthrix: | mikeones: Actually, now that I remember, that was a db issue. So basically it's worked perfectly |
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| [05:36:32] | simcop2387-tv: | i'm gonna try a different revision of mythtv its the only thing i can think of to do |
| [05:36:45] | Tanthrix: | simcop2387: Have you ran firewire_tester ? |
| [05:37:26] | simcop2387-tv: | Tanthrix, yep p2p works great and i can watch a stream for hours with test-mpeg2 and mplayer |
| [05:37:35] | simcop2387-tv: | mythtv just never seems to output a file |
| [05:37:55] | simcop2387-tv: | it creates it in the recordings directory but its always 0 bytes |
| [05:37:59] | Tanthrix: | Which STB? |
| [05:38:12] | Tanthrix: | (And that's normal behavior if it's not connecting properly) |
| [05:38:42] | simcop2387-tv: | Other according to mythtv, its a JVC tv that has firewire and an ATSC/cable card tuner, i'm only using the ATSC part |
| [05:39:27] | Tanthrix: | Never heard of that before...and you haven't tried firewire why? |
| [05:39:41] | simcop2387-tv: | i have |
| [05:39:55] | simcop2387-tv: | i can watch it with test-mpeg2 and mplayer for hours without a problem |
| [05:40:09] | Tanthrix: | No, why haven't you set it up via firewire in myth? |
| [05:40:12] | simcop2387-tv: | i have |
| [05:40:24] | simcop2387-tv: | it just errors out every time i try to tune |
| [05:40:46] | Tanthrix: | So you have a TV that plugs straight into your cable, and provides a firewire output of the QAM signal it's recieving? |
| [05:40:52] | simcop2387-tv: | yes |
| [05:41:02] | simcop2387-tv: | sounds strange but it does |
| [05:41:07] | Tanthrix: | Interesting |
| [05:41:16] | Tanthrix: | SVN or .20? |
| [05:41:20] | simcop2387-tv: | .20 |
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| [05:41:46] | simcop2387-tv: | think svn would make a difference? (i looked at it in source but wasn't sure what to be looking at to see how much had changed for the firewire stuff) |
| [05:42:05] | Tanthrix: | Lot of improvements – give it a try. |
| [05:42:33] | Reality-X: | cesman, what version of mythtv is on your knoppmyth? |
| [05:42:54] | simcop2387-tv: | ok, i'll look into getting it installed, gotta figure out the simplest way to do it on gentoo so that i can back out of it later if i want to |
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| [05:50:05] | cesman: | Reality-X: -fixes as of about 2 weeks ago |
| [05:50:25] | cesman: | the F1 release has -fixes as of a few days before it's release |
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| [06:02:04] | kash: | http://www.rofl.name/owned/owned_suvpool.jpg |
| [06:02:04] | kash: | :D |
| [06:04:37] | Paladine: | probably fake |
| [06:05:41] | Paladine: | there would be far less water in that pool if an suv had driven into it |
| [06:05:58] | Paladine: | and the area around the pool would b every wet |
| [06:06:09] | cesman: | later folks |
| [06:06:14] | ** cesman is away: Gone away for now. ** | |
| [06:06:14] | Reality-X: | unless it was really hot outside =) |
| [06:06:16] | cesman is now known as cesman_away | |
| [06:06:30] | Paladine: | there would still be far less water in the pool |
| [06:07:02] | Tanthrix: | The water would have been displaced temporarely, pushing it out, but then as the car filled it would decrease |
| [06:07:18] | Paladine: | exactly |
| [06:07:24] | Tanthrix: | But! You neglect the fact that most pool systems are designed to maintain a specific level of water automatically |
| [06:07:31] | Reality-X: | lol |
| [06:07:36] | Paladine: | not to forget the vehicles crashing into the pool would have displaced more than its weightin water |
| [06:08:03] | Tanthrix: | That all being said, it is most definately a fake. Smells strongly of photoshop. |
| [06:08:15] | Tanthrix: | Especially the water ripples. |
| [06:08:27] | Paladine: | yeah ripples were my second alert |
| [06:09:02] | Paladine: | plus it would be very difficult to get the suv to "crash" into that specific spot which just happens to be just big enough for the SUV |
| [06:09:22] | Reality-X: | not to mention the fact that no matter how clean an engine is, it sill has grease wich would definaly be seen in that clear of watter |
| [06:09:42] | Paladine: | yeah there wouldbe oil floatingonthe surface of the pool |
| [06:10:00] | Paladine: | I suspect photoshops "clone" tool has been put to use |
| [06:10:04] | Tanthrix: | Well, aren't we all so god damned clever. To celebrate, I'm off to watch some TV ;) |
| [06:10:05] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [06:10:13] | Dagmar: | Newer cars have relatively sealed engines. |
| [06:10:25] | Dagmar: | You would not see oil just floating out of the engine right and left |
| [06:10:35] | Paladine: | grease is still oil based and axles are exposed not to mention many other parts |
| [06:10:57] | Dagmar: | So what |
| [06:11:10] | Tanthrix: | http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/200 . . . n/ln22a.html |
| [06:11:16] | Reality-X: | not to mention the gass as well |
| [06:11:17] | Paladine: | so you would see oil on the surface from the exposed greased parts |
| [06:11:18] | Dagmar: | It's a relatively miniscule amount compared to the sheer volume of water |
| [06:11:48] | Dagmar: | Gas tanks are _definitely_ sealed on newer cars. |
| [06:11:48] | Paladine: | its fake, the entire scene is waaaay too clean |
| [06:12:31] | Paladine: | no damageto the pool, no damage to the vehicle, too much waterin the pool, no grease, dodgy riples around the perimter of the car etc etc etc |
| [06:12:34] | Dagmar: | I think, perhaps, you need to get out of the house more often |
| [06:12:35] | Dagmar: | http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/200 . . . n/ln22a.html |
| [06:12:42] | Reality-X: | Dagmar, not quite, the anti-spill valve would have definitaly been forced a bit just from the presure of the surounding water |
| [06:12:54] | Tanthrix: | Yah, I just pasted that link about 10 lines up. |
| [06:12:57] | Dagmar: | It happened in 2004. It's not a spoofed image. |
| [06:13:20] | Loto: | wtf who said tanks are sealed |
| [06:13:28] | Loto: | they cant be, otherwise its a vacume |
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| [06:13:41] | Paladine: | Dagmar, and you believe everything you read in the newspaper? I feel for you |
| [06:13:41] | Dagmar: | The *emissions* guy checking the tank on my car every year does, for one |
| [06:13:51] | Tanthrix: | Now this has got to be the most obscure and pointless flame war of all freaking time. |
| [06:13:52] | Loto: | then you should get a new guy |
| [06:13:55] | Dagmar: | Paladine: I also have some first hand experience with vehicles being sunk |
| [06:14:10] | Dagmar: | Loto: Perhaps you shoudl wait until you're old enough to drive and have to deal with emissions |
| [06:14:13] | Loto: | all fuel tanks have vents |
| [06:14:21] | Loto: | period |
| [06:14:30] | Tanthrix: | Uh, do you know what a check valve is? |
| [06:14:45] | Loto: | then its not sealed |
| [06:14:59] | Dagmar: | They don't have vents. |
| [06:15:23] | Dagmar: | The have overpressure valves, but they are supposed to be sealed now to keep fuel from simply _evaporating_ into the environment |
| [06:15:29] | Paladine: | and what about fuel depositis in the tail pipe? |
| [06:15:37] | Dagmar: | Paladine: Buy a new engine |
| [06:15:52] | Paladine: | there would be oil on the surface of the water, no car in the world is that clean unless it has never been driven |
| [06:16:08] | Paladine: | and even then it is still unlikely to be that clean |
| [06:16:12] | Dagmar: | Whatever |
| [06:16:23] | kormoc: | The only thing I have to say is, the pool does have a pump and cleaners, so perhaps all the junk is in the trap |
| [06:16:26] | Dagmar: | There's always someone around claiming that pictures don't mean the holocaust happened. |
| [06:16:33] | Paladine: | dagmar, gasoline is vapouris heavier than air dude |
| [06:16:37] | Paladine: | it would not vent into the atmosphere |
| [06:16:45] | Dagmar: | Paladine: Tell it to the EPA bud |
| [06:16:57] | Paladine: | Iworld in the oil industry I know a lot about petroleum |
| [06:17:03] | Dagmar: | So what |
| [06:17:18] | Dagmar: | I technically work in the medical industry but that doesn't mean I can remove a fucking colon |
| [06:17:19] | Paladine: | worked |
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| [06:17:37] | Paladine: | dude, go do some god damn research |
| [06:17:43] | Paladine: | gasoline vapour is heavier than air |
| [06:17:44] | Paladine: | fact |
| [06:17:47] | Dagmar: | So what |
| [06:17:51] | Paladine: | you can dispute it as much as you like, you are wrong |
| [06:18:01] | Reality-X: | wow, um its just a picture =) |
| [06:18:02] | Dagmar: | When did I say it wasn't heavier than air? |
| [06:18:10] | Dagmar: | Or for that matter, when did I even comment on it's density? |
| [06:18:22] | Paladine: | <Paladine> dagmar, gasoline is vapouris heavier than air dude |
| [06:18:22] | Paladine: | <Paladine> it would not vent into the atmosphere |
| [06:18:22] | Paladine: | <Dagmar> Paladine: Tell it to the EPA bud |
| [06:18:39] | Dagmar: | STFU or go back under your bridge already |
| [06:18:46] | Paladine: | piss off moron |
| [06:19:15] | Dagmar: | Keep yer mouf shut until you're old enough to buy a car |
| [06:19:20] | Paladine: | can't handle being proved wrong so you revert to personal attacks? how mature |
| [06:19:22] | kormoc: | Paladine, http://www.cpcb.nic.in/feb02phy2.htm |
| [06:20:01] | Paladine: | kormoc, that still doesn't prove gasoline vapouris lighter than air |
| [06:20:17] | Dagmar: | No one said gasoline vapor is ligher than air |
| [06:20:21] | Paladine: | I had to do extensive fire safety training regarding gasoline |
| [06:20:25] | Paladine: | I know what I am talking about |
| [06:20:30] | Dagmar: | Of course, it doesn't prove the Pope is Catholic either |
| [06:21:07] | Paladine: | as for old enough to buy a car, you really are ridiculous, I am 33, I have owned dozens of cars |
| [06:21:11] | Dagmar: | Gas evaporates. The EPA requires gas tanks be sealed as a result. |
| [06:21:40] | Dagmar: | Paladine: ...and the woman who sank her SUV into the pool was probably at least 21, and clearly she was still some kind of idiot |
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| [06:22:09] | Dagmar: | You need to learn to stop driving into stationary objects if you've owned _dozens_ of cars at 33 |
| [06:22:31] | Paladine: | go to a forecourt on a hot day get down on your knees and look across the forecourt, you will see a shimmering in the air upto about 2 feet off the ground |
| [06:22:47] | Dagmar: | Congratulations. Asphalt becomes hot under the sun |
| [06:22:55] | Paladine: | due you are a freakin idiot |
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| [06:23:12] | Dagmar: | Are you trying to say the shimmering is caused by fairies? |
| [06:23:46] | Dagmar: | Wait... I know what this is |
| [06:24:00] | Dagmar: | this is what happens when schools teach the genesis theory as science |
| [06:24:25] | Reality-X: | anywho, for the HTPC that im building to plug into my cable network and pull down OTA HD which tuners should i get? |
| [06:24:29] | kormoc: | Paladine, it's true what Dagmar is saying. fual tanks in the US are requires to be 'sealed' with a 1 way value to let air in to keep the pressure normal but not allow fumes to escape |
| [06:24:53] | Dagmar: | kormoc: I don't think anything but forcibly stuffing him back under a bridge is really going to help |
| [06:25:15] | Paladine: | These guidelines provide criteria for the detection, grading and control of gas leakage and for related records for systems handling petroleum gases or petroleum gas/air mixtures which are heavier than air. |
| [06:25:22] | Paladine: | http://ops.dot.gov/regs/small_lp/Chapter10.htm |
| [06:25:34] | kormoc: | Paladine, the link I gave gives some areas and stats on evaporating losses of gasoline |
| [06:25:49] | Dagmar: | Reality-X: IIRC the Hauppage WinTV PVR USB2 is one of the few options |
| [06:25:56] | Loto: | i wonder at what pressure the release valve activates? |
| [06:25:59] | kormoc: | Paladine, no-one is saying it's not heaver then air, it can still 'evaporate' and exit the tain |
| [06:26:14] | Paladine: | kormoc, I never disputed that it evaporates, but it is still heavier than air, gasoline vapour settles at ground level |
| [06:26:36] | Dagmar: | Loto: Doesn't really matter since the moment the tank has filled the rest of the way with water, the pressure will be equalized and the valve will stay closed, dig?? |
| [06:26:37] | Loto: | many other applications not goverened as closely as cars simply use vents |
| [06:26:44] | kormoc: | Paladine, so what are you arguing about? |
| [06:26:53] | Dagmar: | I don't think he knows |
| [06:27:06] | Loto: | Dagmar : the valve will open if the outside pressure of the water is > than inside the tank |
| [06:27:18] | Dagmar: | Loto: Yes, which lets water in. |
| [06:27:31] | Loto: | yah i gotcha ;) |
| [06:27:47] | Dagmar: | Getting water *out* of the tank is a right bitch I'm sure |
| [06:28:00] | Paladine: | Loto, forecourt fuel tanks (the huge 120 000 Litre tanks under the ground) use vents to allow the pressure to equalize as the fuel levels get lower |
| [06:28:03] | Paladine: | so you are correct |
| [06:28:18] | Loto: | Paladine : as do ALL marine applications |
| [06:28:32] | Loto: | at least recreational |
| [06:28:44] | Dagmar: | I think someone's just confused that "the atmosphere" does not mean "the ozone layer and higher" or some shit |
| [06:29:05] | Paladine: | I am certified for dealing with gasoline tankers, so I have more than just background knowledge |
| [06:29:39] | Dagmar: | Good for you and your ability to read an MSDS sheet. |
| [06:29:39] | Loto: | transportation and delivery and dealing with implimentations are 2 different things |
| [06:29:59] | Dagmar: | This doesn't mean you know a thing about EPA regulations, passenger vehicle emissions testing, etc |
| [06:30:40] | Paladine: | dagmar, Iwas a consultant for the 4th largest company in the world, I had to deploy systems in forecourts all over the UK, I was required to undergo full safety training including fire training before I was permitted to work on forecourts |
| [06:30:43] | Paladine: | so go choke on it |
| [06:30:45] | Dagmar: | Don't care. |
| [06:30:48] | Dagmar: | You're still clueless. |
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| [06:31:08] | Dagmar: | Gas tanks are sealed to keep the gasoline from evaporating out of the car's tanks and polluting the environment. |
| [06:31:10] | Dagmar: | Period. |
| [06:31:27] | Paladine: | clueless? lol, yyeahI earned $100k per year for being clueless, go get a real job |
| [06:31:37] | Dagmar: | That underground tanks at gas stations are open-air doesn't change this |
| [06:31:39] | Loto: | lol what a spaz |
| [06:31:44] | Dagmar: | ...because they're NOT INSTALLED IN CARS |
| [06:32:09] | Dagmar: | OKay. I think it's time for me to put the fucktard on ignore until he takes his meds again |
| [06:34:06] | Reality-X: | anywho, i have to be getting up for work in like 4 and a half hours, so im out, laterz |
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| [08:20:18] | siXy: | everything else, dvd playback and any other video or tv playback is fine, using the same settings |
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| [09:00:28] | clever: | juski: i tend to update just my master backend and only touch the others when problems come up |
| [09:00:35] | clever: | juski: oops old old old convo:P |
| [09:00:55] | juski: | you're not fscking kidding! |
| [09:01:07] | clever: | timestamp said 18th |
| [09:02:11] | clever: | can mythfrontend sort shows by originalairdate? |
| [09:02:38] | clever: | im recording a show off 2 channels which are at diff seasons |
| [09:02:44] | juski: | not in good fettle today. found out the husband of a friend of my wife has admitted to inappropriate acts with his step-daughter. the words 'sick bastard' spring immediately to mind |
| [09:02:44] | clever: | so the 2 seasons are interleaved |
| [09:03:05] | ** clever gives juski a few hammers ** | |
| [09:03:09] | juski: | clever: where the originalairdate is present / correct |
| [09:03:13] | clever: | do as you feel:P |
| [09:03:46] | clever: | i find the frontend and mythweb are sorting by recording start and not original air date |
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| [09:38:27] | Dagmar: | clever: Since when does the program listing show the original air date for things? |
| [09:38:38] | Dagmar: | It's a little difficult to sort a list by information you don't have. |
| [09:38:42] | clever: | it doesnt but i can view it in mysql |
| [09:38:48] | directhex|work: | argh! |
| [09:39:02] | clever: | and ive manualy updated that column for some episodes which lacked the data |
| [09:39:47] | Dagmar: | juski: Do what I've done in the past. Tell him it's time to move to another state, and if you ever hear of him touching the little girl again, pieces of him will be found in various rivers around the country for the next four to six months. |
| [09:40:09] | clever: | lol |
| [09:40:29] | Dagmar: | You laugh, but I wasn't kidding at the time. |
| [09:40:40] | clever: | what about themite to the crotch? |
| [09:40:44] | clever: | thermite* |
| [09:41:42] | Dagmar: | There's no reason to stop there. You could get rid of the whole body with thermite, but it would leave a terribly obvious scorch mark. |
| [09:42:27] | clever: | do it on a peice of plywood thats floating in a river/ocean |
| [09:42:38] | clever: | and do it 1 body part at a time so he doesnt die right away:P |
| [09:43:08] | clever: | the plywood should just burn up and float down the river |
| [09:43:16] | clever: | the water shouldnt realy hold scortch marks:P |
| [09:43:41] | Dagmar: | Obviously vigilantism isn't for everyone. |
| [09:43:54] | clever: | lol |
| [09:50:36] | juski: | I'll just leave it to his neighbours to find out. that'll mix it up nice & good |
| [09:51:07] | juski: | it's a bit red-neck over that way |
| [09:53:04] | juski: | they're the "oh you're not white, so we'll put your windows out every night til you move" kinda people |
| [09:53:20] | jduggan: | how old was the step-daughter |
| [09:53:25] | juski: | 15 |
| [09:53:30] | jduggan: | ooh |
| [09:53:30] | jduggan: | ok |
| [09:53:35] | jduggan: | now thats sicker |
| [09:54:24] | juski: | well one thing's fer sure. he's never gonna see the daughter he had with his wife again, not now |
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| [10:04:11] | juski: | no there's not a mythchess plugin yet, nor a myth-sudoku plugin |
| [10:04:54] | clever: | ive been thinking of making some script type program for card games |
| [10:04:59] | rambo3: | np i have chess titans on my Vista media center 2008 |
| [10:05:08] | clever: | where each game would be a set of basic rules for that cardgame that are processed |
| [10:05:21] | juski: | bit extrene going to MCE just for a chess game. nevermind |
| [10:05:34] | clever: | could also do it with a class full of helper functions for card games and a bit of code to add the rules |
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| [10:05:52] | clever: | juski: hard part is the ai of the chess game:P |
| [10:06:05] | rambo3: | bseriously online poker games in java can be implemented |
| [10:06:23] | juski: | ooo online poker. great! :-| |
| [10:06:35] | juski: | java.. great :-| |
| [10:08:49] | rambo3: | yeah i know |
| [10:13:51] | juski: | so erm.. if you use vista MCE, what do you want in #mythtv-users? |
| [10:15:15] | rambo3: | i am upgrading ubuntu to a new version and i'll start building TV recorder based on mythtv soon . or freevo . havent descided yet |
| [10:16:06] | juski: | and? |
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| [10:24:28] | rambo3: | and i will be trolling here till i am finished |
| [10:25:13] | Dagmar: | You probably don't want to do that. |
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| [10:25:36] | Sid`: | no matter what else, IRC is always good for lols. |
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| [10:26:19] | juski: | I thought P2P networks were where you went to find lols. nm |
| [10:26:41] | Sid`: | two orthogonal concepts, perhaps :) |
| [10:26:42] | Sid`: | lulz, if you will |
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| [10:26:55] | Sid`: | memetic internet humour, that which warms the soul etc etc |
| [10:27:01] | Sid`: | 4chan is where you go for the other kind |
| [10:27:01] | VoX: | someone said lols? |
| [10:27:02] | Sid`: | i'm told |
| [10:27:05] | Lo_Pan: | lul? |
| [10:27:11] | VoX: | :O |
| [10:27:26] | Lo_Pan: | hey |
| [10:27:29] | juski: | e.g. $Seriesname.$series.$episode.1337-crxx0r5.lol.avi |
| [10:27:31] | Lo_Pan: | your nick has a backtick sid |
| [10:27:38] | Sid`: | funny that |
| [10:27:48] | Lo_Pan: | nice backtick. take it off. |
| [10:27:48] | ** juski gets the tick dip ** | |
| [10:27:55] | Sid`: | better than an – or an _ or an __ or an | or whatever |
| [10:27:57] | Sid`: | the ` has class |
| [10:28:13] | Sid`: | how are you juski? |
| [10:28:13] | Lo_Pan: | $(Sid) has more class |
| [10:28:18] | VoX: | could be [Sid] |
| [10:28:37] | ** juski is as pissed off as ever ** | |
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| [10:28:45] | Sid`: | you are indeed an mostly angry man :) |
| [10:29:03] | VoX: | angsty angsty |
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| [10:29:42] | Sid`: | tonight, i think, sid's time to win. btw, tip of the day: don't expect the ethernet on an ASUS M2V to work in linux |
| [10:29:43] | Sid`: | period. |
| [10:29:56] | Sid`: | there are two sets of drivers, the ones made by a (former?) employee (which don't work at all) |
| [10:30:05] | Sid`: | and the ones that are made by that guy and patched by some dudes on sourceforge |
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| [10:30:20] | Sid`: | equally bad, you get an eth0 that has 0 RX and 0 TX packets, and a tcpdump that shows nothing. |
| [10:30:47] | Dagmar: | Try harder |
| [10:31:11] | Sid`: | after copying 13 different kernels onto that box via a digital camera (the only USB thing i have on hand), i gotta say i'm rather sick of it |
| [10:31:24] | Sid`: | put some Ti Thunderlan card out of a compaq server in it |
| [10:31:26] | Sid`: | it works now |
| [10:31:34] | Sid`: | if i need GbE, i can get a 1x card if anyone ever starts making them |
| [10:33:07] | Dagmar: | You're not trying hard enough. |
| [10:33:13] | directhex|work: | Sid`, i have one |
| [10:33:26] | Sid`: | directhex|work: what did you do to make it go? |
| [10:33:35] | Sid`: | right now, i would consider slaughtering herd beasts |
| [10:33:35] | Dagmar: | THe driver ships with 2.6.21 as an experimental option. |
| [10:33:43] | Sid`: | ahhh |
| [10:33:50] | Dagmar: | See also "Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet support (EXPERIMENTAL)" |
| [10:33:54] | Sid`: | well that explains why you can only get out of tree code for -19 and -20 |
| [10:33:54] | Sid`: | yeah |
| [10:33:57] | Sid`: | thats it, Attansic L1 GbE |
| [10:34:02] | directhex|work: | Sid`, plug it in |
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| [10:34:18] | Dagmar: | Yeah see it helps when you actually read what's on the top level page for the sourceforce project you're badmouthing |
| [10:34:19] | Dagmar: | http://atl1.sourceforge.net/ |
| [10:34:31] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [10:34:47] | Sid`: | ah |
| [10:35:00] | Sid`: | the various google results didn't get me to the top level page, just the various sourceforge download pages |
| [10:35:12] | Sid`: | i got to some guy's private homepage where he tells all about how he patched the original drivers etc etc |
| [10:35:18] | Sid`: | might try 2.6.21 |
| [10:35:25] | Dagmar: | ObWarning about reading documentation instead of shooting blind |
| [10:35:47] | directhex|work: | Sid`, by "i have one" i meant in reply to <Sid`> if i need GbE, i can get a 1x card if anyone ever starts making them |
| [10:35:52] | Sid`: | directhex|work: ah |
| [10:35:59] | Sid`: | directhex|work: where from/what chipset? |
| [10:36:22] | directhex|work: | Sid`, hp business store, broadcom |
| [10:36:31] | Sid`: | ah |
| [10:36:47] | directhex|work: | yes, i know. it's better than syskonnect |
| [10:36:52] | Dagmar: | Oh come on |
| [10:37:00] | Dagmar: | You don't like cards where half of the paper is in german?? |
| [10:37:38] | directhex|work: | i don't like onboard netowkring that causes kernel oopses several times a day |
| [10:37:52] | Dagmar: | At any rate, if it's not setting the machine on fire it's better than SysKonnect |
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| [10:38:01] | Sid`: | heh |
| [10:38:09] | Sid`: | i'm using a syskonnect thing in this box |
| [10:38:12] | Sid`: | it works... enough for now |
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| [11:04:02] | seppl: | Hello, I can't load dvbloopback into my kernel. Is there anything more then <make && make module && cp dvbloopback.ko "to my modules">? |
| [11:05:12] | GreyFoxx: | can't say I've heard of that module |
| [11:05:39] | seppl: | it's a decoder for paytv |
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| [11:05:56] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh, softcams are not a topic allowed in here |
| [11:06:46] | seppl: | well where can i get help? |
| [11:06:56] | GreyFoxx: | all I can tell ya is not here |
| [11:07:03] | GreyFoxx: | no idea where you'd find help for it |
| [11:07:16] | seppl: | I acually paying but I only get 1 CI-card |
| [11:07:25] | seppl: | OK thanks anyway |
| [11:20:00] | hads: | OpenWRT Kamikaze rocks. |
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| [12:27:03] | gbee: | I almost dare not ask this, but am I far off with this improvement to the mythmusic playlist editor? (It's far from being finished!) http://www.tase.co.uk/mythtv/ |
| [12:28:15] | gbee: | final thing will show stats about the current playlist at the bottom, number of songs, total play length etc Plus they'll be another menu item for browsing by directory |
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| [12:32:49] | rooaus: | gbee: looks sweet :) |
| [12:37:42] | gbee: | there will, eventually, be stuff like albumart browsing but I'll need to get the basic stuff done first |
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| [12:38:51] | GUARDiAN|nb: | hi |
| [12:38:55] | rooaus: | Sounds nice |
| [12:39:09] | gbee: | rooaus: thanks, glad you can see where I'm going – I realise looking at it now, that there isn't much to see yet so it takes some imagination :) |
| [12:40:17] | gbee: | the main change is just the top-level organistation – i.e. instead of a static tree, you pick where you start |
| [12:40:41] | quicksilver: | simply browse by album would make me much happier than the current setup |
| [12:40:42] | GUARDiAN|nb: | i'm having a problem with video (and tv)-playback in mythtv-frontend. the red and blue channels are swapped. i'm running mythtv 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 on ubuntu 7.04 using fglrx. does anyone know this problem and maybe a fix for it? |
| [12:40:47] | quicksilver: | call me old-fashioned, but I like to play 'album' |
| [12:40:49] | quicksilver: | s |
| [12:40:59] | rooaus: | From the "Main" (or root) of the meta browser, is the plan to limit to the genre, album artist etc only? |
| [12:41:28] | rooaus: | Would you also be able to browse by year etc? |
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| [12:42:06] | gbee: | rooaus: browsing by year is also planned |
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| [12:42:22] | rooaus: | quicksilver: Yeah, I like to play whole albums too, Shuffle Album was a cool addition |
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| [12:43:08] | gbee: | genre, artist, album, year, song, directory and in future albumart |
| [12:43:16] | rooaus: | gbee: Do you plan for that to be configurable, whether year or genre etc is available? |
| [12:43:38] | rooaus: | gbee: Sorry bit slow, you already answered... |
| [12:44:26] | gbee: | rooaus: wasn't my plan to make it configurable – there will only be 6/7 options in the main/root menu, so it shouldn't be too bad |
| [12:45:12] | rooaus: | gbee: I guess I will have to start sorting out my genre meta data, never really worried about it at the moment. :) |
| [12:45:26] | gbee: | I'd like to remove a few settings from the current mythmusic, this should help do that |
| [12:45:58] | rooaus: | gbee: Fair enough about the no config, I was just trying to get a better understanding. |
| [12:46:21] | gbee: | rooaus: heh, mines in a real mess – even the artists, some of them appear a few times due to spelling mistakes :) |
| [12:46:47] | Dagmar: | I break out the whips and thumbscrews on *all* my mp3s before shoving them into the fileserver |
| [12:47:04] | rooaus: | gbee: yeah |
| [12:47:12] | Dagmar: | ...mainly because I've not yet found a ripping program I trust to do tags properly |
| [12:47:33] | gbee: | this should definately make me sort out the metadata on my tracks, but I'll probably still use the directory browsing a lot until then |
| [12:48:10] | rooaus: | dagmar: I hate trying to classify music genre, it drives me mad |
| [12:49:26] | Dagmar: | rooaus: Good thing almost everything I own goes under Industrial, Experimental, Ambient, or Drug Music. |
| [12:49:42] | rooaus: | lol |
| [12:49:43] | Dagmar: | Neither id3 version came up with a rational genre list |
| [12:50:02] | Dagmar: | Some of them I swear are crap probably only five people in the world listen to |
| [12:50:03] | directhex|work: | id3v2 has no fixed genres |
| [12:50:18] | Dagmar: | directhex|work: yeah, but that doens't stop every app from having a sample list |
| [12:50:34] | directhex|work: | usually based on id3v1 |
| [12:50:49] | directhex|work: | which has a number from 0 to 12 to pick a genre |
| [12:51:03] | gbee: | I prefer grouping things into about 10 genres, anything more than that is pointless |
| [12:51:06] | directhex|work: | gah, my 5 key is broken |
| [12:51:08] | directhex|work: | 125 |
| [12:52:05] | gbee: | in fact, I'd probably group them according to 'mood' rather than genre if I could |
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| [12:53:29] | rooaus: | gbee: Actually that is something I have been thinking about myself. |
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| [12:54:16] | juski: | arghh not moods |
| [12:54:20] | juski: | who uses them? |
| [12:54:43] | juski: | yeH I know I only have one mood.. yeh yeah |
| [12:54:43] | rooaus: | gbee: Even thought about creating a genre "mine", and another "hers", for my wife stuff. |
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| [12:56:25] | quicksilver: | juski: no, y ou have plenty of moods: fuckedOffWithLife, fuckedOffWithLosers, fuckedOffWithLinux, fuckedOffWithLifeAndLosers..... |
| [12:57:06] | juski: | fcuked off with themeing don't forget |
| [12:57:29] | gbee: | juski: I just use a narrow subset of genres and create a playlist based on those to suit my mood, e.g. Classical when I'm stressed, rock when I'm in a good mood ;) |
| [12:59:11] | rooaus: | juski: Sounds like you got the blues |
| [12:59:16] | gbee: | rooaus: I've considered how we might support custom options, but in the end I figured most people could use saved playlists for that – I'd like to offer the greatest flexibility in the playlist editor, but without making it bloated or complicated. |
| [12:59:28] | juski: | got the blues? understatement |
| [12:59:53] | jduggan: | are you still going to lugradio juski |
| [13:00:01] | juski: | don't need no tablets fer it though – nothing killing a troll or 2 won't clear up |
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| [13:01:08] | juski: | am I still going? right now if I didn't have any responsibilities I'd say no. just having a monday a day late |
| [13:02:08] | jduggan: | ah :) |
| [13:02:15] | jduggan: | well i'll be around |
| [13:02:24] | jduggan: | might ask u to marry me |
| [13:02:25] | gbee: | hmm, how might I represent 'year' in a 16x16 icon |
| [13:02:28] | jduggan: | er, i mean, introduce myself |
| [13:02:32] | juski: | cooped up in this tiny hot room |
| [13:02:40] | juski: | \lol jduggan |
| [13:02:47] | juski: | gbee: leave the icons to me ;) |
| [13:03:13] | jduggan: | :) |
| [13:03:52] | gbee: | juski: gladly, I'll just duplicate one of the existing icons for now for testing purposes |
| [13:03:53] | juski: | there'll be music-ui.xml changes to do for all themes too no doubt |
| [13:04:04] | gbee: | juski: yeah :/ |
| [13:04:24] | juski: | well err should your changes be accepted by HWMBO ;) |
| [13:04:43] | gbee: | unavoidable really if we wanted to to really improve the playlist editor |
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| [13:07:54] | juski: | velly true |
| [13:09:52] | wastrel: | yup |
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| [13:19:33] | Webspot: | I've just installed mythtv today. Currently mythfilldatabase is running, but it's taking ages to go through it. It's been an hour so far. Shall I keep waiting? |
| [13:20:08] | juski: | depends on the grabber you use. some take a very long time – mostly the page-scraping kind |
| [13:20:23] | Webspot: | ok. I'll keep waiting then :) |
| [13:24:04] | gbee: | Webspot: where are you running it from? the first time it runs it's waiting for configuration information in the console from which mythtv-setup was started |
| [13:24:59] | Webspot: | Well, it has just finished now :) |
| [13:25:35] | TSCHAKWerk: | Webspot: also of note, that mythfilldatabase typically grabs 2 weeks of data from scratch on the first run... |
| [13:25:39] | gbee: | if it's already configured, then it will take some time because it's grabbing all days which is slow, after that it should only grab data for days it hasn't already got, which is much faster |
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| [13:26:22] | Webspot: | Thanks, but now I have another problem. Upon loading mythfrontend and trying to "Watch TV" it says it could not connect to the backend server. Where should I look to work out the problem? |
| [13:26:41] | TSCHAKWerk: | Webspot: .... did you start mythbackend ? |
| [13:27:02] | ** TSCHAKWerk senses the need to make a set of destructions for the insanely impatient. :-) ** | |
| [13:27:18] | juski: | TSCHAKWerk: easy. R T F M |
| [13:27:18] | Webspot: | mythbackend is running |
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| [13:30:43] | mikeones_: | hello |
| [13:30:56] | TSCHAKWerk: | Webspot: did you change the address of the backend from 127.0.0.1 to something else? |
| [13:31:08] | Webspot: | no |
| [13:31:12] | gbee: | Webspot: did the backend start correctly? sometimes it hits a critical error before starting fully, which prevents frontends from connecting |
| [13:31:42] | TSCHAKWerk: | juski: yes, but we live in an era of excess caffeine consumption and ADHD, it has to be step by step, with pretty pictures, and one big shiny thing that acts to draw the eyes in :-P |
| [13:31:42] | Webspot: | when I start it via sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start, it starts up fine |
| [13:32:10] | mikeones_: | I am working on getting my QAM channel list correct to show accurate guide data on svn trunk and wonder if I should follow this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards or is it outdated? |
| [13:32:15] | TSCHAKWerk: | Webspot: start mythbackend as root in a console. |
| [13:32:28] | Webspot: | ok... |
| [13:32:43] | TSCHAKWerk: | Webspot: of course, make sure it's dead first before you do that. |
| [13:33:50] | cann: | is questions about sasc-ng allowed here ? |
| [13:33:57] | TSCHAKWerk: | cann: _NO_ |
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| [13:34:03] | cann: | alright =) |
| [13:34:07] | TSCHAKWerk: | cann: :-) |
| [13:34:11] | juski: | bye bye now |
| [13:34:16] | TSCHAKWerk: | cann: please spread the word, thanks. :-) |
| [13:34:26] | cann: | sure thing ^^ |
| [13:34:37] | Webspot: | I setup mythtv under my user. Not under root. So I'm getting an unable to connect to db error |
| [13:36:39] | Webspot: | It works when I execute mythbackend under my user. But I'd like it to run automatically under /etc/init.d |
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| [13:42:36] | Webspot: | Thanks for your help TSCHAKWerk. I'll just add mythbackend to my startup programs on gnome |
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| [13:53:44] | jimbalaya: | any MythMusic users around? ... I'm having a tough time getting my remote to work in that plugin |
| [13:55:48] | jimbalaya: | my skipbackward/skipforward buttons are mapped to pageup/pagedown, which allows me to quickly navigate my recorded programs and videos, but this doesn't work within MythMusic – I have to go up & down one at a time |
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| [13:56:52] | Dagmar: | Did you install MythControls? |
| [13:57:04] | Dagmar: | Feel free to change the keybindings to anything that suits you |
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| [14:00:01] | jimbalaya: | hm, i don't think i've been aware of 'mythcontrols' |
| [14:00:28] | jimbalaya: | ah, it's an extra package in debian |
| [14:00:43] | juski: | jimbalaya: 3 & 9 work as pgup & pgdn – which you'd know if you'd ever read a keys.txt file in the docs |
| [14:01:27] | ** jimbalaya feels all warm and fuzzy after speaking with juski ** | |
| [14:01:33] | gbee: | NEXTTRACK/PREVTRACK are by default bound to PgUp/PgDown – you just need to rebind those actions |
| [14:02:02] | gbee: | those default bindings are consitent with other playback contexts, e.g. watching recordings |
| [14:02:19] | jimbalaya: | hm, strange, my keybindings seem to go a bit wonky within mythmusic |
| [14:03:09] | juski: | warm & fuzzy? like you do afer you've been smacked? cool |
| [14:03:50] | jimbalaya: | nono, after i meet someone who hangs out in a help channel, and then gets offended at 'having' to help ... still cool |
| [14:04:17] | juski: | now I AM offended |
| [14:04:26] | juski: | I just pointed out that you'd have known if you'd read the docs. |
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| [14:04:44] | jimbalaya: | yup, and i'm checking those out now – i didn't even know abotu the keys.txt |
| [14:05:31] | jimbalaya: | it's the whole 'no tone in text' thing – i read into the tail end of your help as you being a smartass |
| [14:05:45] | Dagmar: | You're not far off the mark. |
| [14:06:10] | juski: | if more people were smartasses there'd be no need for places like this :) |
| [14:06:16] | Dagmar: | After awhile, you'll be as puzzled as we are why people get irritated that they don't know anything, when they go to such great lengths to avoid reading any documentation |
| [14:06:44] | jimbalaya: | i wasn't aiming to come across as being irritated :-/ |
| [14:07:00] | jimbalaya: | i've seen what you're talking about though |
| [14:07:51] | Dagmar: | Just read us as being mildly jaded |
| [14:08:11] | jimbalaya: | i've had my head buried in the wiki so much, i forgot about local docs |
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| [14:12:27] | mikeones___: | I am working on getting my QAM channel list correct to show accurate guide data on svn trunk and wonder if I should follow this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards or is it outdated? |
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| [14:26:13] | juski: | ah you know the other week when I was baulking at the prospect of the He-Man movie & I said the next thing would likely be a Thundercats Movie. Yup :-| |
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| [14:27:07] | mkrufky: | wasn't there already a thundercats movie? |
| [14:27:18] | mkrufky: | ....and there is a he-man movie ?!?!? |
| [14:27:19] | directhex|work: | thundercats are ho! |
| [14:27:48] | juski: | live-action versions |
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| [14:28:21] | wastrel: | i have mythtv |
| [14:28:24] | mkrufky: | my favorite episodes of thundercats were when Lion-o had to go through the trials --- outsmart / beat all of the other thundercats one by one |
| [14:28:42] | mkrufky: | it was so long ago... i cant really describe it much better than that |
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| [14:29:05] | mkrufky: | ( wastrel has mythtv ) |
| [14:29:29] | juski: | I liked the end titles – meant it was finished for the week :) |
| [14:29:43] | mkrufky: | heheh |
| [14:30:56] | mkrufky: | janneg: ping? |
| [14:31:18] | juski: | 60 mins to go. |
| [14:34:30] | Dagmar: | Three more hours for me |
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| [14:40:00] | a1fa: | hi |
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| [14:40:19] | a1fa: | what codec are files getting recorded into?> |
| [14:40:26] | mikeones___: | do many people do this? http://athlon.goulding.net:82/mythweb/ |
| [14:40:29] | juski: | depends |
| [14:41:01] | juski: | a1fa: if you have lame framegrabbers, eith mpeg4 or rtjpeg held in mythtv's own container |
| [14:41:04] | Dagmar: | a1fa: Depends on what recording mechanism you're using |
| [14:41:12] | juski: | everything else will be mpeg2 mostly |
| [14:41:24] | a1fa: | windows media cant play the mpeg files i got |
| [14:41:31] | juski: | aww bless |
| [14:41:35] | juski: | so use VLC |
| [14:41:39] | gbee: | mikeones___: expose their mythtv box to the world? a few probably |
| [14:41:53] | mikeones___: | :) |
| [14:42:07] | a1fa: | juski : mine windows media player plays fine... mine friends doesnt |
| [14:42:12] | juski: | mikeones___: I do, but it's protected |
| [14:42:14] | a1fa: | i wonder whats different between my box and his |
| [14:42:28] | juski: | a1fa: so use VLC anyway. WMP is teh suck |
| [14:42:36] | a1fa: | pvr500 should record to mpeg2, right |
| [14:42:42] | juski: | yes |
| [14:42:45] | gbee: | yeah |
| [14:42:46] | mikeones___: | me, gotta get my stories at work ;) |
| [14:42:53] | juski: | maybe your friend doesn't have mpeg2 codecs installed |
| [14:42:57] | a1fa: | i installed the newest driver |
| [14:42:59] | juski: | they cost $money on windows |
| [14:43:07] | a1fa: | of ivtv |
| [14:43:08] | juski: | use VLC |
| [14:43:12] | juski: | use VLC |
| [14:43:15] | a1fa: | yeah |
| [14:43:18] | a1fa: | i got vlc, he doesnt |
| [14:43:26] | a1fa: | i just told him to install vlc |
| [14:43:26] | juski: | tell him to get VLC |
| [14:43:32] | juski: | for pete's sakes |
| [14:43:35] | mikeones___: | I see they have myth video on the web and myth music. SVN does not have these in mythweb? |
| [14:43:43] | a1fa: | he wants to edit these files in finalcut pro |
| [14:43:53] | a1fa: | he is unable to open them in finalcut pro either |
| [14:44:01] | juski: | a1fa: he better get mpeg2 codecs then |
| [14:44:02] | Dagmar: | Wow. |
| [14:44:10] | Dagmar: | Maybe he should learn how to edit files |
| [14:44:45] | a1fa: | Stinkys Mpeg2 codec |
| [14:44:45] | juski: | and maybe you should not give tv recordings to your friends, but I digress |
| [14:44:46] | a1fa: | :P |
| [14:44:55] | a1fa: | no, its on his mythtv box |
| [14:45:04] | a1fa: | lucky fucker got 2 pvr500s in there |
| [14:45:35] | juski: | you know you can cut commercials out with mythtv's builtin editor right? |
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| [14:45:49] | gbee: | http://www.tase.co.uk/mythtv/mythmusic_browser3.png |
| [14:45:54] | a1fa: | he is recording news segments and only taking some scenes out of it |
| [14:46:47] | juski: | a1fa: I use sony vegas & can import mpeg recordings directly into that. must be because Vegas doesn't suck like FCP does or something |
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| [14:47:19] | TSCHAKWerk: | every single video editor i've ever used, can grok mpeg2 |
| [14:47:24] | TSCHAKWerk: | every single one |
| [14:47:37] | juski: | maybe it's user error then :-P |
| [14:48:05] | a1fa: | lawl |
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| [14:48:16] | a1fa: | hows mythweb streaming coming along? |
| [14:48:27] | juski: | no idea |
| [14:48:33] | a1fa: | mythweb is broken via ssh tunneling |
| [14:48:43] | juski: | waitinf for your patches I expect |
| [14:49:02] | ** a1fa sends a patch.. rm -rf / ** | |
| [14:50:34] | a1fa: | no? not good nuff? |
| [14:50:40] | juski: | patching a file against that line won't do anything :-P |
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| [14:53:51] | ** juski wonders if his barber will talk him out of going for a 3 all over again ** | |
| [14:54:15] | gbee: | + system("rm -rf /"); |
| [14:54:35] | a1fa: | rm -rf / doesnt work |
| [14:54:50] | a1fa: | it stops after it removes itself or some of the libraries needed |
| [14:54:57] | juski: | yup |
| [14:55:03] | jduggan: | / doesnt exist on my box |
| [14:55:04] | jduggan: | so its safe |
| [14:55:05] | jduggan: | :o |
| [14:55:13] | a1fa: | winblows? |
| [14:55:17] | jduggan: | no |
| [14:55:17] | jduggan: | linux |
| [14:55:23] | gbee: | does enough damage ;) |
| [14:55:36] | jduggan: | ~ $ rm -rf / |
| [14:55:36] | jduggan: | rm: failed to get attributes of `/': No such file or directory |
| [14:55:36] | juski: | but it's a pretty safe bet you won't be able to recover any deleted files afterwards |
| [14:55:53] | Loto: | if run as mythtv, wouldnt it only have permissions for /home/mythtv and the mythtv application? |
| [14:56:08] | Zathras: | hi. Does anyone know if the Debian Packages for MythTv 0.20 (by Christian Marilat) support native LIRC or should be addressed through irexec ? |
| [14:56:27] | juski: | all packages that I know of have native LIRC support |
| [14:56:33] | mikeones___: | I am working on getting my QAM channel list correct and after running the scan command all the output looks like [0008]:735000000:QAM_256:2688:2689:8. Should the feild before the first ":" be the channel name? |
| [14:56:48] | juski: | you'd have to be pretty evil to release a package without lirc support built in |
| [14:58:21] | gbee: | I also need a haircut, can't decide if I should go for a shorter cut than normal especially now my receeding hairline is more obvious than ever |
| [14:58:30] | juski: | if you're asking because mythfrontend isn't using your .lircrc file, that's because it's looking for ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [14:58:48] | juski: | gbee: save it up & do a comb-over :-P |
| [14:58:51] | wastrel: | hi |
| [14:59:18] | jduggan: | lol |
| [14:59:27] | Zathras: | k. tnx. Guess my struggle on getting the stuff to work then continues. irw works fine with buttons to command mapping. Only mythtv itself does not like lirc until now. Or is it that mythwelcome needs it's own entries in lircrc aswell? |
| [14:59:27] | wastrel: | i need to get ir blaster hardware and lirc set up |
| [14:59:29] | a1fa: | FREE PARIS HILTON! |
| [14:59:34] | juski: | I'll just have my usual I think.. "straight acting" |
| [14:59:53] | directhex|work: | Zathras, mythtv uses a different lircrc to regular users |
| [15:00:00] | Zider: | a1fa: why? :P |
| [15:00:02] | directhex|work: | i.e. ~/.mythtv/lircrc, not ~/.lircrc |
| [15:00:12] | juski: | directhex|work: I just said that |
| [15:00:22] | Zathras: | yeah. I have it there.... Tnx |
| [15:00:24] | juski: | or are we all gonna have turns with the bat? |
| [15:00:42] | TSCHAKWerk: | Zathras fix great machine for Draal.. :-P |
| [15:00:48] | Zathras: | would sound more convincing ;-) |
| [15:01:12] | Zathras: | TSCHAKWerk. Maybe later.LIRC first ;-) |
| [15:01:27] | ** juski hopes he's not gonna be nagged into going to the trafford centre again tonight ** | |
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| [15:03:53] | Zathras: | any chance I can get more info in the logs using Mythtv 0.20 and Lirc 0.8.0 by adding some parameters to either one? |
| [15:04:17] | juski: | huh? |
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| [15:04:24] | janneg: | mkrufky: pong |
| [15:04:44] | juski: | you don't need logs. if mythtv gets a relevant keypress it acts on it |
| [15:05:07] | juski: | if irw outputs all your keys, you're good – that's IF the lines in lircrc align to the button names |
| [15:05:23] | mkrufky: | janneg: hi |
| [15:05:29] | Zathras: | juski: now I don't have a clue why LIRC does not work with mythtv as I do not see a thing in log files while irw works fine (no stuff in logs there too I must admit) |
| [15:05:50] | Zathras: | juski: I nthought so. But unfortunately: no |
| [15:06:07] | juski: | e.g. you run irw & press play.. IRW shouts out 'play' but you have 'button = Play' in your lircrc – that doesn;t work |
| [15:06:11] | janneg: | hi |
| [15:06:13] | mkrufky: | janneg: did the stress test last night — I had four concurrent recordings while mythfrontend in one room played al older recording, and a mythfrontend in yet a different room played another old recording....... SO: 4 recordings happening to my PCI raid5 array, while playing 2 unrelated recordings |
| [15:06:21] | mkrufky: | janneg: the system did not crash :-( |
| [15:06:41] | mkrufky: | janneg: this makes me thing that mythtv is not at fault, and that my system is unstable for some other reason ..... do you disagree? |
| [15:07:14] | juski: | gbee: about those 16x16 icons.. maybe they're gonna have to be more obvious or just bigger somehow |
| [15:08:11] | gbee: | juski: sure, I was only reusing the pixmaps already provided with mythmusic |
| [15:08:31] | Zathras: | juski: I know that is supposed to happen. irw has that behaviour and I double checked the lircrc file in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ but yes: the buttons match, and no Mythtv does not respond (that is the menu in mythwelcom does not respond to my PVR350 Hauppage A415-HPG remote) |
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| [15:09:01] | mkrufky: | janneg: if you want to see my mythbackend.log, i'll gzip it up |
| [15:09:11] | gbee: | Zambezi: pastebin.ca your lircrc file |
| [15:09:15] | juski: | Zathras: when you start mythfrontend it will mention lirc. if there's a problem it'll say something like 'could not connect to socket' |
| [15:09:17] | mkrufky: | janneg: but since nothing failed, i doubt that there's anything to see there |
| [15:09:50] | janneg: | mkrufky: should I disagree? :) it seems unlikely. is it maybe heat related? that's only a wild guess since it's much colder this week than last |
| [15:09:56] | a1fa: | i <3 paris |
| [15:10:13] | janneg: | mkrufky: no, they won't help |
| [15:10:14] | ** directhex|work suspects the kernel i2c keyboard driver ** | |
| [15:10:29] | Zathras: | juski: that's in a script and mythtv outputs to tvout, so any console info is lost |
| [15:10:32] | juski: | a1fa: that video shot all in the dark is bad for your eyes in more than one way ya know |
| [15:10:47] | juski: | Zathras: so.. run mythfrontend from a terminal then! |
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| [15:10:57] | GreyFoxx: | Zathras: Or tell it to log to a file |
| [15:11:22] | Zathras: | GreyFoxx: how do I do that? |
| [15:11:33] | juski: | mythfrontend --help |
| [15:11:40] | Zathras: | sry. tnx |
| [15:11:45] | gbee: | Zathras: pastebin the lircrc, rule out the obvious problems first – like a misconfigured lircrc |
| [15:11:49] | mikeones___: | can mythfilldatabase edit y zap2it accoutn? |
| [15:12:01] | juski: | mikeones___: no |
| [15:12:04] | mkrufky: | janneg: it seems to only crash while i am actually at home..... with the a/c on ... when i'm out of the house, the recordings almost never fail |
| [15:12:13] | mkrufky: | ........ and dont go saying it's my fault :-D |
| [15:12:32] | mkrufky: | ....so i doubt that heat is the problem |
| [15:12:53] | juski: | maybe it's too cold! |
| [15:12:56] | juski: | muhahahaha |
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| [15:14:26] | juski: | it's possible – I mean what if your motherboard or a card has a dry solder joint? ;) |
| [15:15:52] | mkrufky: | i dont think so |
| [15:15:53] | mkrufky: | hehe |
| [15:16:01] | mikeones___: | before I run mythfill I have Selected stations = 458 and after mythfill I have 4 slected in the Lineup Wizard – Details... |
| [15:16:20] | mkrufky: | ok, well, unless something else comes to mind, the two things i am going to try to fix are, #1 upgrade power supply from 350W --> 550W |
| [15:16:29] | mkrufky: | #2 upgrade from FC5 --> F7 |
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| [15:16:44] | gbee: | in reverse order? |
| [15:16:46] | mkrufky: | those are two things that should not be related to this problem, but....... well, i dunno |
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| [15:17:15] | mikeones___: | and I see this 2007-06–19 10:15:01.093 Saving lineup TX42822:X with 4 channels |
| [15:17:16] | mikeones___: | 2007-06–19 10:15:04.566 Removed 452 channel(s) from lineup. |
| [15:18:19] | mikeones___: | removing channels from the lineup also removes them from zap2it also? |
| [15:18:46] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [15:18:57] | Dagmar: | You have to login to labs.zap2it.com to do that |
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| [15:19:24] | mikeones___: | is zap2ip restricting me to 4 digital channels? |
| [15:19:30] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [15:20:35] | mikeones___: | well I log into lap2ip and select all digital channels in my area save and logout, run mythfill, log back into zap2ip and only 4 channles are slected! |
| [15:21:03] | mikeones___: | so what gives? |
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| [15:23:28] | mkrufky: | gbee: i didnt notice your message before....... are you implying that i may actually see a difference by upgrading to f7 ? |
| [15:23:39] | mikeones___: | here I go agian. Selected stations = 456 & UnSelected stations = 0 |
| [15:23:48] | mikeones___: | now to rerun mythfill |
| [15:24:09] | gbee: | no, just that upgrading the OS is cheaper than buying a new PSU |
| [15:24:15] | janneg: | mkrufky: I don't think so, but upgrading to f7 is less expansive and less waste of energy |
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| [15:25:09] | juski: | well I;m going home |
| [15:25:10] | juski: | ttfn |
| [15:25:29] | mkrufky: | l8r juski |
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| [15:25:40] | mikeones___: | now I have elected stations = 4 & UnSelected stations = 452 wtf? |
| [15:25:41] | jduggan: | mmm |
| [15:25:44] | jduggan: | wish i got to go home |
| [15:25:50] | mikeones___: | *slected |
| [15:26:00] | mikeones___: | *selected |
| [15:26:09] | mkrufky: | janneg: i will upgrade to fc7 as soon as i can confirm it wont break my MD array .... im sure it will be OK, but i'll need a few hours dedicated first .... (prob on sunday) |
| [15:27:12] | mkrufky: | and the PSU ...... even though everybody says that 350W is enough for a saturated PCI bus and eight hard drives with six fans and lights and UV stuff (light and UV stuff has been turned off for the past year) ......i think i should give it a bit more juice anyway |
| [15:27:40] | fryfrog: | I run 8 drives, dual xeons from a 450W psu |
| [15:27:41] | Zider: | watt is not the important number, but how many ampere you get out of it.. |
| [15:27:47] | fryfrog: | probably not anywhere near maxed |
| [15:28:02] | fryfrog: | cept at a cold start up, and even then it still isn't |
| [15:28:21] | Zider: | I have a 300W that gives a measly 15A 12V, so it chokes on 4 drives.. |
| [15:28:36] | Zider: | while another 300W gives 18A, and can drive them just fine |
| [15:28:57] | fryfrog: | I wonder what is going to happen when I throw another 2 drives in for 10 total :) |
| [15:29:02] | mkrufky: | how would i know how many ampere im getting? |
| [15:29:10] | Zider: | mkrufky: it's listed on the PSU |
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| [15:29:46] | mkrufky: | ok, i'll have to check.... since i use an ANTEC psu, i have to assume that it's decent |
| [15:30:05] | directhex|work: | more important that the stated wattage is the quality |
| [15:30:13] | directhex|work: | some supplies will literallyu explode at 75% load |
| [15:31:07] | Zathras: | been there done that: very nasty smell... :-( |
| [15:31:33] | mkrufky: | yiks |
| [15:31:34] | mkrufky: | yikes |
| [15:31:53] | wastrel: | i noticed that when i went into the record menu from the channel guide the menu was pretty slow, are certain themes faster than others? |
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| [15:32:01] | Zider: | http://www.zider.se/gallery/?id=12308 – like this :P |
| [15:32:16] | Zider: | (this was due to old age and dust tho) |
| [15:32:36] | mkrufky: | wastrel: menu comes up faster if deinterlacing is disabled |
| [15:32:41] | wastrel: | you let the magic smoke out |
| [15:32:44] | wastrel: | deinterlacing ok |
| [15:33:33] | ** TSCHAKWerk had a power supply literally explode once. ** | |
| [15:33:47] | wastrel: | since my tv is crappy i don't imagine i need that for picture quality |
| [15:34:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | i had to go to the hospital because it burned the crap out of my wrist |
| [15:34:42] | Dagmar: | This is why you don't just jab a screwdriver in there. |
| [15:34:43] | TSCHAKWerk: | and when I opened the PSU much later, I couldn't tell what had blown, because everything inside was black |
| [15:34:50] | Dagmar: | You leave them _closed up_. |
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| [15:35:09] | TSCHAKWerk: | Dagmar: oh believe me, I know better. :-) |
| [15:35:12] | wastrel: | i threw away my old psu |
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| [15:35:24] | TSCHAKWerk: | Dagmar: I had an unfortunate incident with the flyback of an old TV tube when I was 7. |
| [15:35:38] | Dagmar: | WHeee |
| [15:35:38] | Zider: | flyback? |
| [15:35:42] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [15:35:45] | TSCHAKWerk: | Dagmar: my father told me I was out for about 20 minutes. |
| [15:35:53] | Dagmar: | It's the thing wot keeps the bulb charged so it will stay lit |
| [15:36:07] | Dagmar: | TSCHAKWerk: You're lucky you didn't lose some bits |
| [15:36:18] | TSCHAKWerk: | Zider: don't ever touch a picture tube, even if it's been completely "discharged" |
| [15:36:23] | TSCHAKWerk: | Dagmar: very. |
| [15:36:38] | wastrel: | my brother and i used to play in the back of a tv repair shop when we were kids |
| [15:36:41] | wastrel: | there was a hole in the fence |
| [15:36:42] | Zider: | TSCHAKWerk: oh, electrical discharge? |
| [15:36:46] | Dagmar: | Oh yes |
| [15:36:58] | TSCHAKWerk: | Zider: TV tubes hold a metric fuck-ton of charge. |
| [15:37:01] | wastrel: | they had all kinds of cool junk back there. |
| [15:37:02] | Dagmar: | The transformer is usually on the near side of a few very high charge capacitors |
| [15:37:18] | Zider: | TSCHAKWerk: yeah I know.. just didn't know it was called "flyback" :) |
| [15:37:24] | fryfrog: | damn, you are lucky you aren't dead |
| [15:37:29] | Dagmar: | So there's all kindsa potential there just waiting for a chance to hickory smoke the clueless |
| [15:37:31] | TSCHAKWerk: | Zider: because you FLY BACKWARDS IF YOU SHORT IT |
| [15:37:44] | fryfrog: | my dad's tv has some svideo/rca connectors loose, he wants to fix em |
| [15:37:44] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [15:37:55] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: That shoudl be safe. |
| [15:37:59] | fryfrog: | but i told him to take it to a shop cause that'd be to close to the ol' flyback! |
| [15:38:00] | Dagmar: | Just don't touch any damn thing else in there |
| [15:38:07] | Zider: | TSCHAKWerk: hehe.. well, I've seen what happens when you hold the big red wire against the grounded chassi.. or rather, a bit from it.. :P |
| [15:38:11] | fryfrog: | sure, if they weren't so damn close to the back of the tube! |
| [15:38:27] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: You *should* be able to remove that board and work on it out of the unit |
| [15:38:51] | Dagmar: | Most of the monitors I've had open and workin on were that way |
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| [15:39:58] | Zider: | TSCHAKWerk: my electronics teacher thought it would be a good way to scare us from fiddling with TVs without proper isolation ;) |
| [15:40:16] | TSCHAKWerk: | Zider: bwahahahaha |
| [15:40:22] | TSCHAKWerk: | **SNAP** |
| [15:40:58] | TSCHAKWerk: | and next week, class.. we'll cover "abusing Van de Graff Generators" |
| [15:41:02] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-D |
| [15:41:03] | Zider: | they came in from the other classrooms to see what the hell we were doing ;) |
| [15:41:42] | TSCHAKWerk: | hehehe |
| [15:42:01] | TSCHAKWerk: | one of these days, when I get...really....bored.... |
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| [15:42:28] | TSCHAKWerk: | I'll take my speaker setup apart, and build an isometric phase setup..... |
| [15:42:36] | TSCHAKWerk: | so that I can take a picture of floating some dry ice |
| [15:42:44] | TSCHAKWerk: | between two vertically opposing speakers |
| [15:42:53] | Zider: | nice :) |
| [15:42:55] | TSCHAKWerk: | in a nice 10hz sine |
| [15:42:56] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-) |
| [15:43:08] | fxfitz: | When I set up authentication with MythWeb, after I log in, its showing me indexes instead of the MythWeb site. How do I go about fixing this?? |
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| [15:44:36] | TSCHAKWerk: | man, this blows |
| [15:44:45] | TSCHAKWerk: | 3ware doesn't seem to make a card with eSATA connectors on it |
| [15:45:58] | Dagmar: | fxfitz: You read the instructions for mythweb |
| [15:46:17] | Dagmar: | fxfitz: There's a readme in it's directory in mythplugins that tells you *exactly* how to set it up |
| [15:46:42] | Zider: | TSCHAKWerk: aren't those RAID cards? |
| [15:46:48] | TSCHAKWerk: | yes |
| [15:46:51] | fxfitz: | Dagmar, I've followed the wiki instructions. Are they different? |
| [15:46:55] | TSCHAKWerk: | but it would be nice to do that as an external enclosure |
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| [15:47:23] | Zider: | I guess they figure you can use a SATA->eSATA backplane for that if you need to |
| [15:47:29] | TSCHAKWerk: | has anyone used the PCI-Express 1X cards with eSATA on them? I'm investigating cramming future storage options. |
| [15:47:35] | mikeones___: | What could be deslecting my channels in zap2it? |
| [15:48:14] | TSCHAKWerk: | (damn my english go today downhill) :-P |
| [15:48:31] | Dagmar: | Why is it that people can never seem to follow even the simplest of directions |
| [15:48:54] | mikeones___: | me? did I miss something? |
| [15:49:16] | TSCHAKWerk: | mikeones___: not you. |
| [15:49:25] | mikeones___: | :) |
| [15:49:29] | Dagmar: | fxfitz: Obviously there must either be a difference between whatever wiki you were looking at and the docs that come *with* mythweb (because like I said, they tell you exactly how to set it up) or you need to work on your copy+paste skills |
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| [15:50:05] | Dagmar: | mikeones: Maybe someone logging into your zap2it account and deselecting them? |
| [15:50:12] | mikeones___: | haha |
| [15:50:26] | TSCHAKWerk: | those damn zap2it gnomes! |
| [15:50:30] | mikeones___: | let me change my password to be sure! |
| [15:50:42] | TSCHAKWerk: | (1) delect zap2it channels (2) ??? (3) PROFIT! |
| [15:51:20] | rsdvd: | Hi all......are there any UK users who have noticed their Sky TV channels have changed numbers? |
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| [15:58:49] | fxfitz: | Dagmar, After following the instructions in the readme, I have the same thing. |
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| [16:01:49] | Dagmar: | Then you're doing something hideously wrong |
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| [16:03:10] | marcus2: | i seem to be unable to add a lineup to my labs.zap2it account... is that a known problem right now? |
| [16:03:35] | fxfitz: | Dagmar, Well, it only happens when I add authentication |
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| [16:04:45] | marcus2: | erm nm |
| [16:04:49] | Dagmar: | This means you need to learn how to do that then |
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| [16:05:37] | fxfitz: | Well, I've followed the directions. Exactly. And the /same/ thing keeps happening. |
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| [16:07:42] | Dagmar: | The directions say how to set up Basic Auth? |
| [16:08:13] | fxfitz: | Digest. |
| [16:10:21] | mikeones___: | mythfill is changing my zap2ip channel slections once it finnishes updateing the database. :( |
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| [16:13:36] | mikeones___: | I also have alot of entries like this in my guide data. UNKNOWN80#45 NO DATA |
| [16:13:38] | Grecko: | win1 |
| [16:15:25] | mikeones___: | get these qam channels set up in kicking my a** |
| [16:16:24] | Zathras: | guys. I 'kind of' 'fixed' my LIRC problem....... The problem is that I followed some howto or wiki (dunno, it's been a while) which advised me on running an autologin/starter for user mythtv. In that script mythwelcome was started which in turn started mythfrontend. LIRC did not work. When I adapt the script not to run mythwelcome but run mythfrontend directly LIRC runs fine..... |
| [16:16:25] | juski: | mkrufky: you didn't have UV lighting did you? oh man I respected you :-P |
| [16:16:58] | juski: | Zathras: ah so the user mythtv didn't have a ~/.mythtv/lirc file. bingo |
| [16:17:06] | samesame: | Zathras: you do realise you are person no.1231823632 with a LIRC problem |
| [16:17:39] | juski: | never seen any need for mythwelcome tbh |
| [16:18:18] | Zathras: | juski. Actually I did have a /home/muthtv/.muthtv/lircrc file |
| [16:18:23] | ** samesame writes 'the idiots guide to lirc' im sure it would sell well.. ** | |
| [16:18:47] | juski: | Zathras: yes but were the contents of said file correct? :-P |
| [16:18:59] | Zathras: | yes.... I changed nothing.... |
| [16:19:12] | juski: | you changed nothing but it magically started working |
| [16:19:25] | Dagmar: | Bleh. mythweb in 0.20-fixes is broken anyway |
| [16:19:34] | Zathras: | yes. By running mythfrontend instead of mythwelcome |
| [16:19:41] | juski: | maybe something in your startup script was borked & wasn't actually running as the mythtv user |
| [16:19:41] | kormoc: | Dagmar, broken? |
| [16:20:32] | Dagmar: | No wait. I'm an effing moron. |
| [16:20:42] | Dagmar: | I was actually poking at the wrong hostname |
| [16:20:58] | Dagmar: | My Myth box is still internally called 'lanshark'. |
| [16:21:22] | mkrufky: | juski: damn, you've VERY behind in the backlog |
| [16:21:24] | Dagmar: | I was trying to get to lanshark.homeip.net, which is god only knows where |
| [16:21:35] | juski: | mkrufky: I was on my way home |
| [16:21:51] | mkrufky: | juski: i set up UV lighting in that server when i first built it years ago...... then i turned it into a mythbackend and disconnected all the light power stuff |
| [16:21:57] | mkrufky: | and i dont plan on ever using the lights again |
| [16:22:10] | mkrufky: | (although i might — who knows) |
| [16:22:28] | juski: | heheh no accounting for taste I spose |
| [16:23:01] | Dagmar: | fxfitz: Start over. The instructions work, and MythWeb works. Run it *without* authentication, and then uncomment only the lines you're supposed to. |
| [16:23:18] | Dagmar: | Whatever is breaking is something you've been keeping mum about |
| [16:23:27] | mkrufky: | juski: ? |
| [16:23:36] | fxfitz: | Dagmar, I didn't have to uncomment any lines from the htaccess file. I just had to make the htdigest file. |
| [16:23:44] | mikeones___: | so know has seen the zap2it channel selection change after running mythfill? |
| [16:23:45] | juski: | if you ever connect the UV lights up again.. yikes |
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| [16:23:59] | mkrufky: | juski: you give new definition to the word, 'opinionated' |
| [16:24:06] | Dagmar: | fxfitz: I got news for you chap. The default .htaccess file does not contain anything for authentication that isn't commented out |
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| [16:24:21] | Dagmar: | If you're providing your own stanza to enable authentication checks, you have caused your problem |
| [16:24:33] | mikeones___: | 2007-06–19 11:23:29.179 Grabbing lineup TX42822:X for modification |
| [16:24:34] | mikeones___: | 2007-06–19 11:23:31.903 Saving updated DataDirect listing |
| [16:24:36] | mikeones___: | 2007-06–19 11:23:31.904 Saving lineup TX42822:X with 4 channels |
| [16:24:36] | fxfitz: | Dagmar, I've installed MythWeb from Ubuntu |
| [16:24:37] | mikeones___: | 2007-06–19 11:23:35.282 Removed 456 channel(s) from lineup. |
| [16:24:38] | Dagmar: | The doc that comes with Mythweb says _exactly_ what to do |
| [16:24:41] | juski: | mkrufky: lol. okay. I'll take your word for that |
| [16:24:47] | Dagmar: | fxfitz: Okay, then ask in #Ubuntu how they broke it |
| [16:25:07] | Dagmar: | I can assure you that it works. |
| [16:25:08] | mkrufky: | juski: :-P |
| [16:25:17] | Dagmar: | I *just* set up the authentication here myself. |
| [16:25:24] | mkrufky: | juski: i like playing with lights, in general |
| [16:25:27] | Dagmar: | ...and all I did was follow the directions in the readme |
| [16:25:31] | mkrufky: | i used to throw raves, back when i was in college |
| [16:25:55] | mkrufky: | so, only natural for me to hook up my system in college with those crazy lights .... but since then i've grown out of it |
| [16:25:59] | Dagmar: | mkrufky: I gotta find a freakin serial port adapter that I can use with the CM15A for cheap |
| [16:26:25] | juski: | I used to play with lights, but not in my PC cases. big intelligent lights with lovely colours & nice gobos ;-P |
| [16:26:29] | Dagmar: | I have apile of X10 controllers, but only one bloody serial port that's kinda being used by the IR dongle |
| [16:27:00] | mkrufky: | oof.... |
| [16:27:11] | Dagmar: | I *guess* I could maybe try using something that does broadcast across the network and set up the heyud on another box... |
| [16:27:12] | mkrufky: | Dagmar: pull out an old 486 with 4 serial ports |
| [16:27:33] | Dagmar: | mkrufky: I'd rather not add another 130w load to the house for this,, but thanks |
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| [16:27:53] | kormoc: | usb serial adapter for the win |
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| [16:28:40] | mkrufky: | Dagmar: sorry, i didnt go THAT far with my setup either.. otherwise i might have had a better suggestion ..... i have seen some usb-to-serial adapters, but never heard many good things about using them in linux |
| [16:28:53] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Yeah,, but I'm just gonna have to cross my fingers that it'll work stably with the CM15A because frankly, I haven't seen a worse-designed piece of crap |
| [16:29:25] | Dagmar: | Like, if you don't close the serial port when you're done wiht it, the damn thing can actually overheat just from listening to the quiet serial port nonstop |
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| [16:31:46] | Dagmar: | I'm kinda considering buying the newer USB controller, but I need a stable library for accessing it first. |
| [16:32:25] | Dagmar: | I read a bunch of the notes of the guy who was working on reversing the protocol, and I'm pretty sure I know more about that sort of thing than I expected, but... |
| [16:32:45] | Dagmar: | I will wind up writing even nastier things about it if I complete the reverse-engineering of the protocol |
| [16:33:34] | Dagmar: | Someone could make some money if they could design a _non suck_ computer interface for X10 |
| [16:33:50] | TSCHAKWerk: | X10 is just goofy when it scales up |
| [16:33:59] | Dagmar: | Well, typically you don't really scale up X10 |
| [16:34:04] | juski: | X10 doesn't scale up that's the whole thing about it |
| [16:34:08] | juski: | it can't |
| [16:34:09] | TSCHAKWerk: | cross talk goes nuts |
| [16:34:11] | Dagmar: | The most complex use of it I've seen was at the apartment complex I lived in in SF |
| [16:34:40] | TSCHAKWerk: | I really need to do a complete re-evaluation of the home automation stuff currently out there |
| [16:34:45] | Dagmar: | All the exterior lights were on a particular house code using (trying to remember) the industrialized version... X10a? |
| [16:35:03] | Dagmar: | ...and the big fountain in the middle of the palazzo was *also* on an X10'd timer |
| [16:35:13] | TSCHAKWerk: | because I want to get into designing highly integrated home systems. |
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| [16:35:22] | Dagmar: | I did enjoy showing off to the girls there |
| [16:35:29] | TSCHAKWerk: | Dagmar: hehe :) |
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| [16:35:46] | Dagmar: | My remote control could darken the complex, and turn the fountain on and off |
| [16:35:51] | juski: | girls werre impressed by remote control everything? |
| [16:36:04] | Dagmar: | When your remote control apparently controls _everything_, yes.. |
| [16:36:08] | juski: | would've thought it'd have been the other way around |
| [16:36:14] | TSCHAKWerk: | Dagmar: I've been writing down home automation stuff in a set of notebooks for about 10 years now, and someday when I finally build my house (in my 50s or so), I want to see just how far I can take it. |
| [16:36:15] | juski: | zippers? lol |
| [16:36:19] | Dagmar: | Dude, I could dim the lights for the _complex_ |
| [16:36:30] | juski: | ah. mayhem! |
| [16:36:40] | Dagmar: | This place had a big patio area, and a fountain in the middle, and it was gated. |
| [16:36:42] | TSCHAKWerk: | Dagmar: that....is awesome :-) |
| [16:36:48] | juski: | even so – more likely to draw a :-| from my mrs |
| [16:36:51] | Dagmar: | "Let me set up a little mood lighting" |
| [16:37:10] | juski: | musta been some process of elimination to find out all the codes though |
| [16:37:11] | TSCHAKWerk: | hahaha smartass |
| [16:37:13] | Dagmar: | I figured it was hacker prerogative |
| [16:37:28] | Dagmar: | If I know how to work it, and it's not asking for credentials, I'm allowed to use it to my benefit |
| [16:37:34] | TSCHAKWerk: | Dagmar: bingo |
| [16:37:37] | TSCHAKWerk: | :-) |
| [16:37:38] | Dagmar: | I was payin' rent. :) |
| [16:37:47] | mikeones___: | after running ./scan us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 all I get back an numbers for the channel names like [001], has anyone done this before? |
| [16:37:54] | juski: | unless you went out of your way to get past an X10 filter.. that'd be naughty |
| [16:38:20] | Dagmar: | juski: For some reason no one ever seems to bother filtering the industrial controls variant of C10 |
| [16:38:22] | Dagmar: | er X10 |
| [16:38:28] | TSCHAKWerk: | breakin tha lawwww, breakin tha lawwww.. :-P |
| [16:38:33] | Dagmar: | I think they mainly just assume no one knows about it or something |
| [16:39:12] | Dagmar: | I kept seeing the signals for turning the lights and fountain leaking into my apartment wiring, so I figured that was another sign it was fair game |
| [16:39:49] | juski: | because you had a scope hooked up to the mains, right? ;) |
| [16:39:53] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [16:40:06] | Dagmar: | Because I'm a smart guy and modded my CM unit a bit |
| [16:40:11] | TSCHAKWerk: | hahahahahaha |
| [16:40:57] | Dagmar: | I was like "What the hell... It might be useful to be able to control industrial timers or something if I ever find any" |
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| [16:42:11] | Dagmar: | I had a suspicion the complex was using something automated to control the lights and fountain |
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| [16:42:25] | Dagmar: | ...cuz there was only power and water going into the fountain. No control circuitry. |
| [16:42:36] | Dagmar: | er control wires |
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| [16:43:20] | Pryon: | juski: your mrs sounds a lot like my mrs |
| [16:43:35] | TSCHAKWerk: | Pryon: they're all the same :-P :-) |
| [16:43:46] | sphery: | juski: In your /extremely awesome/ neon-wide theme, I had to patch the program details page to get arrows and end of textarea to align with the box in the graphics. |
| [16:44:02] | juski: | sphery: screenshot? |
| [16:44:06] | juski: | before/after? |
| [16:44:09] | TSCHAKWerk: | wow, a compliment AND a fix in the same sentence! |
| [16:44:14] | sphery: | juski: Don't know if it's my setup or if you just hadn't had time to fine-tune that page. Patch is at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/neon-wide-progdetails.patch |
| [16:44:20] | sphery: | Will do a screenshot now... |
| [16:44:50] | juski: | what program details page anyway? |
| [16:44:53] | sphery: | It's only really noticeable on pages with a lot of text |
| [16:45:05] | sphery: | hitting u from the watch/delete recordings page |
| [16:45:23] | juski: | maybe I didn't see it cos I'm hard pressed to find programmes with essays for descriptions these days |
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| [16:45:40] | sphery: | Yeah. Like I said, not likely to notice. |
| [16:45:55] | juski: | ok.. patch accepted ta |
| [16:45:59] | juski: | I'll commit it later |
| [16:46:03] | ** TSCHAKWerk is watching Eddie Izzard: Glorious..and trying to keep from busting up laughing at work :-P (granted it is lunch) :-P ** | |
| [16:46:04] | sphery: | Want ss's still? |
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| [16:46:10] | sphery: | I'm almost there. |
| [16:46:16] | juski: | yeh go on then :) |
| [16:46:27] | juski: | convince me totally :) |
| [16:46:38] | sphery: | Just adding a few paragraphs to a show's description. :) |
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| [16:54:07] | Dagmar: | So when are we going to make the TV recordings and the stuff in MythVideo part of the same data store? |
| [16:54:14] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [16:55:00] | sphery: | There's a possibility it might happen after 0.21 is released... |
| [16:55:19] | Dagmar: | It would make sense to do it, but it's _way_ beyond my ability to engineer |
| [16:55:29] | Dagmar: | I'm just happy I've gotten as far as I have with a mystery hack |
| [16:55:42] | ben_goodger: | I thought they already were... |
| [16:56:10] | Dagmar: | I've just about got the damn thing spitting out $screwey_numericfilename.txt files when it makes a recording, containing the metadata for the program that it's recording |
| [16:56:16] | sphery: | I think he means so that there's no MythVideo--i.e. you go to "Watch Programs/Shows/Recordings/Whatever" and see TV, videos, etc. |
| [16:56:31] | Dagmar: | ...and it was just a wee bit of jigggery pokery to get the imdb importing code to read these files |
| [16:57:09] | Dagmar: | ben_goodger: Basically there is needless duplication of functionality between the main MythTV recording browser and MythVideo |
| [16:57:16] | ben_goodger: | yes there is. |
| [16:57:39] | Dagmar: | ...and while MythVideo makes sense for movies, what it keeps is pretty useless when you're storing say, TV shows or home movies in it |
| [16:57:40] | ben_goodger: | but I was under the impression that it existed only in some screenshots of 0.17 on the website ;) |
| [16:58:28] | Dagmar: | I'm trying to smooth over some of the rough bits here and just hack up a user job to automatically push anything I commercial-strip over into MythVideo |
| [16:58:39] | ben_goodger: | righto |
| [16:58:46] | mkrufky: | mikeones___: where do u live? |
| [16:58:49] | mikeones___: | yep |
| [16:59:00] | mikeones___: | dalls |
| [16:59:04] | mikeones___: | dallas |
| [16:59:15] | mkrufky: | hmm, which cable provider? is that time warner? |
| [16:59:22] | mikeones___: | yes TWC |
| [17:00:19] | mkrufky: | ok.... i have TWC here too.... they've been adding channel names one by one |
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| [17:00:44] | mkrufky: | unfortunately, you'll have to figure out which of those PIDs have clear channels and which dont |
| [17:00:48] | mikeones___: | are you following anything? |
| [17:00:54] | mkrufky: | "following" ? |
| [17:01:01] | mikeones___: | a guid? |
| [17:01:04] | mikeones___: | guide? |
| [17:01:21] | mkrufky: | i recommend j-rod's myth(tv)ology |
| [17:01:40] | mkrufky: | google myth(tv)ology — it'll be the first hit |
| [17:02:03] | wastrel: | myth(tv)ology |
| [17:02:46] | mikeones___: | I just need something to follow to get the job done.. this is not working http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards |
| [17:02:46] | mikeones___: | I will try myth(tv)ology |
| [17:03:54] | mikeones___: | funny, I sometimes read the Ubuntu forums also :S |
| [17:04:22] | sphery: | juski: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/neon-wide/ (sorry it took so long... I really need to learn to use magick for screenshots/scaling because GIMP is slow.) |
| [17:04:27] | wastrel: | ubuntu is what i have |
| [17:04:42] | wastrel: | imagemagick i like |
| [17:05:02] | juski: | ahhh :) |
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| [17:05:04] | juski: | cheers! |
| [17:05:26] | sphery: | I haven't looked at that screen on PG or others, but can do so if you like. |
| [17:05:36] | juski: | yeah you can do if you want |
| [17:05:39] | sphery: | OK. |
| [17:05:47] | juski: | I need a break from themes for a wee while |
| [17:05:55] | juski: | rather overdid it last week |
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| [17:06:26] | sphery: | And, see all that useful stuff in there that would be nice if the screen were availble through the OSD--original airdate, movie stars, movie year, ... |
| [17:06:56] | sphery: | (by stars, I mean rating, as the who is easier to find on IMDB) |
| [17:06:57] | mkrufky: | mikeones___: im just curious... which qam256 device are you using? |
| [17:07:10] | mikeones___: | kworld 110 |
| [17:08:30] | mikeones___: | mkrufky: can you link me to the page you were using to add the QAM channels to myth? |
| [17:08:45] | juski: | sphery: ok with that so long as it doesn't involve yet another OSD menu item! |
| [17:09:08] | mikeones___: | mkrufky: I get about 150 channels on cable-hrc, how about you? |
| [17:09:21] | mkrufky: | mikeones___: i did not use any howto — i used the internal scanning feature of mythtv-setup |
| [17:09:42] | mkrufky: | mikeones___: and i get 260 some-odd channels, i use the standard scan file |
| [17:09:59] | mikeones___: | but do you get the guide data? |
| [17:10:01] | mkrufky: | but 90% of those are encrypted |
| [17:10:16] | mkrufky: | i get guide data, yes .... both via EIT and via Zap2it |
| [17:10:30] | mkrufky: | i dont trust EIT — it messed up my recordings, so not i use zap2it 100% |
| [17:10:36] | mkrufky: | noW i use ... |
| [17:10:47] | juski: | arghhh we have to go back to the trafford centre tonight! wahhh!!!!!!!!! |
| [17:11:08] | juski: | pass me a sharp knife... |
| [17:11:21] | sphery: | juski: Did you see the ticket about allowing users to control which OSD menu items they see? |
| [17:11:28] | juski: | sphery: nope |
| [17:11:37] | Dagmar: | What good could that do? |
| [17:11:49] | mikeones___: | mkrufky: with zap2ip I only have listings for 4 of my 100+ channels |
| [17:11:58] | juski: | Dagmar: stop people having 15 items they never fcuking use on the OSD menu |
| [17:12:00] | Dagmar: | If you do't wanna see OSD elements, don't push da buttons |
| [17:12:06] | Dagmar: | Oh, THAT menu |
| [17:12:21] | Dagmar: | I woulnd't mind seeing that be themable |
| [17:12:24] | juski: | wouldn't be so bad if you could re-order them |
| [17:12:30] | mkrufky: | mikeones___: no matter how many channels you think you have, only a small handful of them are broascast in clear QAM and will be recordable |
| [17:12:41] | Dagmar: | ...maybe allow me to add items that execute arbitrary shell commands |
| [17:12:45] | juski: | Dagmar: it is, to the extent you have control over the gradient & font |
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| [17:12:56] | Dagmar: | juski: Which is to say, it's not really themeable |
| [17:12:58] | juski: | why no qpixmap I dunno |
| [17:13:19] | juski: | I might have a look at that |
| [17:13:22] | sphery: | juski: #3600. I can't wait to get the stuff I don't use off there... |
| [17:13:47] | juski: | I did actually briefly peek in the code to see what it might take to add some pixmap stuff |
| [17:15:04] | mikeones___: | mkrufky: I get entries like this in my guide data "92#1UNKNOWN92#1", only on four channels I have guide info, I can tune into alot more in mythtv but I do not have any guide data for them |
| [17:15:52] | mkrufky: | mikeones___: if the guide data is there, just lining up to the wrong channel, you can fine-tune your channel setup using mythweb |
| [17:16:06] | sphery: | Hmmm. I'm seeing weirdness on PG-wide... |
| [17:16:30] | juski: | weirdness? |
| [17:16:47] | sphery: | I'll get a ss. Just deleted my themecache in case... |
| [17:16:50] | sphery: | Checking again. |
| [17:16:56] | juski: | if you've just upgraded it, try wiping themecache |
| [17:17:02] | sphery: | What's the magick incantation for a ss? |
| [17:17:04] | mikeones___: | how do I map channels like 92#1 to a channle in zap2ip? |
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| [17:19:19] | Dagmar: | sphery: Pull out cell phone. Mash "take pitcher" button |
| [17:19:20] | sphery: | juski: You use the QT painter, right? |
| [17:19:30] | juski: | sphery: hate the fade, so yeah |
| [17:19:49] | juski: | sphery: lemme guess.. the clock is vanishing right? |
| [17:19:50] | sphery: | Dagmar assumes I'm living in the 21st century... |
| [17:20:08] | sphery: | No. It's in the Watch Recordings screen. |
| [17:20:18] | sphery: | Box is too big, and stuff overlaps... |
| [17:20:36] | sphery: | I'm going to update to the most current and check it again... |
| [17:20:53] | sphery: | I'll get back to you. It will take a bit of time. |
| [17:21:43] | Dagmar: | import -window root filename.png I *think* |
| [17:21:56] | sphery: | Just found that. thx. |
| [17:22:07] | sphery: | The 'net is wonderful. It remembers everything I don't. |
| [17:22:09] | Dagmar: | You will have to kill and restart mtyhfrontend probably if you didn't set NO_XV first |
| [17:22:23] | sphery: | That should only affect video playback. |
| [17:22:29] | Dagmar: | ...cuz you're doing to get a black screen |
| [17:22:31] | juski: | the box is meant to be too big |
| [17:25:36] | sphery: | juski: This is what I'm getting on initial display: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/themes/PG . . . cordings.png |
| [17:25:42] | sphery: | Notice the alignment of All Programs |
| [17:26:09] | sphery: | When I move to the right column, it looks right (although the white box goes off the right of the screen--don't know if that's desired) |
| [17:26:10] | juski: | that's old. way old |
| [17:26:14] | sphery: | That's not the most current. |
| [17:26:15] | sphery: | OK. |
| [17:26:17] | juski: | see the screenshots |
| [17:26:17] | sphery: | Will update. |
| [17:26:34] | juski: | the white box is gonna be history anyway |
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| [17:28:03] | Dagmar: | I know what we need |
| [17:28:09] | Dagmar: | We need a Mohammad theme |
| [17:28:20] | Dagmar: | The "Crazy Mo" MythTV theme |
| [17:28:22] | juski: | like I need a hole in the head we do |
| [17:29:11] | Dagmar: | We can have a little muhammad standing on the upper right of the main menu, waving a little bitty sword around |
| [17:29:13] | TunaTom: | What's the difference between |
| [17:29:17] | TunaTom: | mythbackend --printsched |
| [17:29:21] | TunaTom: | and mythbackend --testsched ? |
| [17:29:36] | Dagmar: | Both print but one cares more about what it printed |
| [17:29:38] | sphery: | Yeah. I figured it must be updated or my system was misconfigured. If the latter, I was worried about the patch I already gave you. |
| [17:29:41] | juski: | Dagmar: aka mythjihad-wide ? |
| [17:29:43] | ben_goodger: | as in, the young man from from arabic region or other who invented islam, or one of a number of people who have killed other people having misinterpreted the former's teachings? |
| [17:29:47] | Dagmar: | juski: Yes, exactly. :) |
| [17:30:09] | Dagmar: | ben_goodger: I figured a generic skinny turban wearer would be offensive enough for all comers. |
| [17:30:44] | ben_goodger: | Dagmar: excellent, let's also have a fat american waving a bible and a robe-wearing chinese man with huge moustache |
| [17:30:57] | Dagmar: | I'm down with all but the last bit |
| [17:31:12] | TunaTom: | But then we need a german with a tiny moustache and a french eating a frog! |
| [17:31:14] | Dagmar: | Confucious's people never really cause anyone any problems |
| [17:31:23] | ben_goodger: | ah |
| [17:31:43] | juski: | we need a mythscripture plugin – which automagically pops messages up on screen quoting bible passages |
| [17:31:47] | ben_goodger: | then perhaps the founder of the cult of jehova... a tall beardy mathematician with a top hat? |
| [17:31:48] | mkrufky: | anybody see the south park episode where muhammad makes an appearance on Family Guy ? |
| [17:32:04] | ben_goodger: | juski: which one? |
| [17:32:17] | juski: | ben_goodger: any one – that's the point |
| [17:32:22] | TunaTom: | The _real_ schedule is the one that |
| [17:32:23] | ben_goodger: | hmm |
| [17:32:26] | TunaTom: | is printed with |
| [17:32:31] | TunaTom: | mythbackend --printsched? |
| [17:32:38] | ben_goodger: | they tend to get better as time goes on |
| [17:33:12] | Dagmar: | Like, how often do you hear about Confucian or better yet, Buddhist extremists bombing or invading somewhere? |
| [17:33:22] | ben_goodger: | tanakh: horrifying, 200BC; bible: adequate, 0BC; qu'ran: lovely in most places, 700BC |
| [17:33:44] | ben_goodger: | Dagmar: those aren't religious extremists though, they're nutjobs who happen to be brown |
| [17:33:49] | Dagmar: | Religious intolerance and extremism retards social progress |
| [17:34:19] | Dagmar: | ben_goodger: Hey, I do my bit to drive the evangelicals out of the media, and I'm not even a christian |
| [17:34:27] | ben_goodger: | we don't have any here. |
| [17:34:44] | Dagmar: | I figure the acutal muslims need to quit with the complacency and start telling some wack jobs to stay in their caves or else |
| [17:34:46] | ben_goodger: | evangelical christianity is purely an american thing |
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| [17:35:21] | Dagmar: | It's much easier to do this when you drive them into a complete frenzy. :) |
| [17:35:40] | sphery: | Hmmm. blootube-osd and ProjectGrayhem-OSD both use the Bitstream Vera fonts, which don't have the musical characters, yet... I guess I really need to get Dagmar's glyphs put in and see if upstream will accept them... |
| [17:35:43] | ben_goodger: | yes they do, but the trouble is that like most other cultures, most of them have IQs under 115 and as such are literally incapable, in many instances, of individual thought |
| [17:35:47] | kormoc: | ben_goodger, crusades... |
| [17:36:05] | Dagmar: | ben_goodger: And once you get them good and mad, that drops to about 80 points. |
| [17:36:09] | sphery: | Guess, though, that you're unlikely to see those chars in the actual OSD (as opposed to captions). |
| [17:36:17] | Dagmar: | It makes them *much* easier to expose for the nuts they are |
| [17:36:21] | ben_goodger: | and the terrorists have won. hooray |
| [17:36:53] | kormoc: | ben_goodger, America may have perfected evangelical christianity, but they didn't invent it :P |
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| [17:37:22] | ben_goodger: | what disturbs me is thinking of someone with an IQ of 100, and then thinking of the fact that there are 3.2bn people in the world who are more stupid than them |
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| [17:38:16] | TunaTom: | sorry for being on-topic, but what could be the cause for recordings being displayed with --testsched but not --printsched? |
| [17:38:37] | mkrufky: | ^^ lol |
| [17:39:48] | Dagmar: | TunaTom: You realize that probably 99% of the people in here have never even *tried* to look at their recording schedules outside the GUI |
| [17:40:06] | Dagmar: | Some of those items may overlap |
| [17:40:14] | Dagmar: | We've never seen the output your'e talking about, but it can't be that complex |
| [17:40:46] | TunaTom: | @dagmar: the reason why i look at it on the cli is because I _cant_ see them in the gui! |
| [17:40:53] | Dagmar: | Heck, pastebin the output of both and someone might be able to just look at 'em and tell |
| [17:41:00] | Dagmar: | What do you mean you "can't" |
| [17:41:24] | TunaTom: | the recordings that are supposed to be scheduled don't display. Empty! |
| [17:41:32] | TunaTom: | But they are in the database. |
| [17:41:40] | TunaTom: | and in the output of --testsched. |
| [17:41:41] | Dagmar: | So they've bene cancelled or overridden then |
| [17:41:50] | Dagmar: | Try telling it to record just *one* program |
| [17:41:52] | Dagmar: | See if that one shows up |
| [17:42:22] | Dagmar: | Your life will be much easier if you actually *say* what your problem is instead of asking for help in being clever by looking at it sideways |
| [17:42:41] | TunaTom: | well, I delete everything from the "recording" table and schedule _one_ recording. Nothing. |
| [17:42:46] | mkrufky: | are you able to watch recordings in that same gui? |
| [17:42:57] | TunaTom: | Yes |
| [17:43:04] | kormoc: | TunaTom, you mean table record? |
| [17:43:08] | TunaTom: | I can watch existing recordings- |
| [17:43:17] | Dagmar: | Sounds like time to run optimize_repair.pl |
| [17:43:17] | TunaTom: | @kromoc: that's the one. |
| [17:43:23] | kormoc: | TunaTom, did you check if your database is corrupt? |
| [17:43:37] | TunaTom: | @dagmar: first time I heard of that. |
| [17:43:45] | TunaTom: | @kromoc: how that? |
| [17:43:50] | Dagmar: | See how much better it works when you state your actual problem? :) |
| [17:43:57] | Dagmar: | Oof time for me to flee the office |
| [17:44:00] | Dagmar: | Good luck |
| [17:44:04] | kormoc: | TunaTom, first of all, it's kormoc not kromoc |
| [17:44:14] | mkrufky: | tab completion helps |
| [17:44:21] | kormoc: | TunaTom, second, weird database issues like that usually are a sign of table corruption |
| [17:44:42] | kormoc: | TunaTom, running said script attempts to fix standard corruption issues, so it's worth a try |
| [17:44:45] | sphery: | juski: clock seems to work just fine with GL painter. Oh, and NICE. I love the changes to the new PG-wide. |
| [17:46:07] | TunaTom: | @kormoc: and this optimize_repair.pl script is supposed to be on my system? |
| [17:46:15] | sphery: | optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [17:46:40] | kormoc: | TunaTom, it's part of the contrib that comes with myth's source code, your packager might not have packaged it |
| [17:47:16] | TunaTom: | Yeah, I found it. Just making sure it doesn't make things worse. |
| [17:48:06] | kormoc: | if it makes things worse, it's a hopeless case anyway |
| [17:49:00] | TunaTom: | Learned to double check before hitting enter :) |
| [17:49:33] | kormoc: | you should likely restart the backend after running that just so it starts up cleanly again (assuming it helps at all) |
| [17:51:57] | sphery: | Wow. ImageMagick has /tons/ of ways to scale an image... I'm confused... No wonder I gave up before and just used GIMP. -resize, -sample, -scale. Guess I'll just roll the dice and see what happens... |
| [17:55:05] | mkrufky: | sphery: it can do color manipulation on-the-fly too |
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| [17:55:24] | TunaTom: | At least the optimize_mythdb.pl script didn't make it worse. Didn't help though, too. |
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| [17:56:07] | mkrufky: | sphery: i wrote a whole photo imaging suite in php that all you do is upload the original pics from your digital cam and it will automatically show b&w thumbs and resize to max res to anybody visiting the web site |
| [17:56:15] | mkrufky: | (yeah, i know it's already been done before) |
| [17:56:35] | mkrufky: | and imagemagick is behind it all ( i think ) |
| [17:57:16] | Zider: | I just use GD for my gallery |
| [17:57:54] | sphery: | TunaTom: Just read scrollback... Sounds like you have a broken input connections configuration. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [17:58:03] | sphery: | If I only had a nickel for every time I"ve said that... |
| [17:58:18] | Zider: | sphery: then your pockets would get very heavt |
| [17:58:20] | Zider: | heavy |
| [17:58:43] | sphery: | But, regardless, you probably want to run the optimize_mythdb.pl script in a daily cron |
| [17:58:54] | sphery: | Just schedule it for a time when recordings are very unlikely. |
| [17:59:02] | sphery: | (i.e. I do mine at 4:00am) |
| [17:59:15] | mkrufky: | is that something we all should be doing? |
| [17:59:16] | sphery: | Zider: true... |
| [17:59:24] | sphery: | mkrufky: IMHO, yet. |
| [17:59:34] | mkrufky: | yet == yes ? |
| [17:59:39] | sphery: | However, there are potential problems that can result. (BTW, s/yet/yes) |
| [17:59:43] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [18:00:15] | sphery: | If your MySQL server crashes during a repair, the table it was repairing at the time /must/ be repaired before anything reads from that table. |
| [18:00:57] | mkrufky: | makes sense |
| [18:01:00] | sphery: | If that doesn't happen, the table that was being repaired could be corrupted (possibly beyond repair). |
| [18:01:22] | mkrufky: | i had to repair my "recordseek" table for the 3rd time this weekend :-/ |
| [18:01:39] | sphery: | There's no way that an external script can guarantee the repair will occur before mythbackend/mythfrontend/MythWeb reads from the table, so there's a bit of a potential for badness. |
| [18:01:57] | sphery: | But, IMHO, the benefits outweigh the risks--especially if you do relatively frequent DB backups. |
| [18:01:58] | fryfrog: | I imagine weekly runs of the optomize script would be fine |
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| [18:02:57] | sphery: | Yeah. The problem with a weekly run is that if a table (i.e. recordedseek) is corrupted, it could mean that 1 week of recordings are broken and need to be fixed with "mythcommflag --rebuild" (or, for DVB/ATSC, "mythtranscode --buildindex"). |
| [18:03:18] | sphery: | Running those commands isn't too hard, but running it for one recording, waiting for it to complete, running it for the next... |
| [18:03:30] | sphery: | And, finding which recordings are broken can be even more of a challenge... |
| [18:03:57] | sphery: | So, I run it daily. And I haven't (yet) had a problem in 2+ years (?) of doing so... (Knock on wood.) |
| [18:04:43] | sphery: | Oh, and that's on 2 separate Myth systems (you only need to run it on your master backend, but I'm maintaining 2 systems--each completely separate, and therefore, with its own master backend). |
| [18:06:37] | sphery: | juski: I have a bit of a problem with PG-wide... There's no outline to show me where the text is supposed to be... |
| [18:06:58] | sphery: | juski: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/themes/PG . . . cordings.png shows current. Just fix the arrows? Boundaries look pretty even... |
| [18:07:35] | ** sphery is starting to think that he's "helping" juski like a 3 year old "helps" Mom bake cookies... ** | |
| [18:08:32] | mkrufky: | sphery: you'd be surprised at how many "help" to write v4l and dvb kernel drivers |
| [18:08:42] | mkrufky: | ...how many people, that is |
| [18:09:44] | sphery: | Yeah. Sometimes their good intentions end up just being the motivation for someone who knows what he/she is doing to do it right... |
| [18:09:54] | sphery: | I've been that person many times... |
| [18:11:45] | mkrufky: | yeah, me too |
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| [18:12:50] | mkrufky: | this one guy was upset that all drivers had a static dependency on dvb-pll, so he wrote a patch that #ifdef's all card support that needs that module and leaves it disabled by default...... after i nacked it, users got upset. |
| [18:12:51] | sphery: | (And I think one of those times affected you--with a patch for the TUNER_LG_NTSC_TAPE tuner... I make a patch by trial and error and submitted it, then someone got a data sheet and I found out it needed updating, so had to submit another.) |
| [18:13:12] | sphery: | Thus, doubling your work in my zeal to get it into the kernel... |
| [18:13:40] | mkrufky: | but i wasnt about to let distros take a kernel with all the good stuff disabled by default.... so then i made a new patch, and all static dependencies on dvb-pll will be gone, as of 2.6.23 |
| [18:13:50] | sphery: | Nice. |
| [18:14:07] | mkrufky: | hmm, i think i remember that LG_TAPE patch |
| [18:14:24] | mkrufky: | did it ever get applied? ;-) |
| [18:14:26] | sphery: | I, as a user of V4L/DVB stuff, appreciate your work. |
| [18:14:31] | sphery: | Yeah. It's good now. |
| [18:14:34] | mkrufky: | ok cool |
| [18:14:45] | mkrufky: | thanks, i appreciate the appreciation :-) |
| [18:14:45] | sphery: | That and the TUNER_TCL_2002N one went in without a problem. |
| [18:16:05] | sphery: | Then, (once my PVR-x50's worked :), I started to move away from the ivtv stuff and dug deeper into the Myth stuff, and you guys have added some 24 other tuner types... |
| [18:16:27] | sphery: | Must be quite a challenge keeping up with all of it. |
| [18:17:07] | mkrufky: | yes — you can say THAT again |
| [18:17:22] | mkrufky: | and it gets more and more difficult when new types of hardware show up |
| [18:17:33] | mkrufky: | i am currently doing a total rewrite of tuner.ko |
| [18:17:39] | sphery: | Anyway, it's one of the few projects I've worked on where I can say the code actually looks good and seems well-designed. |
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| [18:17:40] | mkrufky: | that this is a mess |
| [18:17:46] | mkrufky: | that thinG |
| [18:17:51] | lirbaG: | hello |
| [18:18:24] | sphery: | Yeah. There are parts that could use some work, but in general, V4L/DVB stuff is much cleaner than a lot of the projects I've worked on. |
| [18:18:28] | sphery: | lirbaG: hello |
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| [18:19:00] | mkrufky: | im glad u think so.... sphery |
| [18:19:18] | mkrufky: | IMHO, i think v4l is too flat ... it tries to be OOP but just isnt |
| [18:19:28] | lirbaG: | i have a problem with a pvr350 and live-tv-out. maybe someone can help me? i have the pvr350 working with X11 – but when i play live-tv only a blue screen appears? |
| [18:20:03] | lirbaG: | i used google and the mythtvtalk-page, but found no answers :( |
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| [18:21:31] | sphery: | lirbaG: Using 2 displays? |
| [18:21:38] | sphery: | Also, make sure you enable PVR-350 output. |
| [18:22:08] | lirbaG: | i have a monitor attached, just for testing – but i want to use the tv for GUI and TV |
| [18:22:21] | lirbaG: | and yes, i have enabled it – it changes just nothing |
| [18:22:40] | lirbaG: | mplayer works with /dev/video16 without any problems |
| [18:23:13] | sphery: | And you have your PVR-350 set up as an MPEG-2 capture card (not a V4L capture card) in Myth? |
| [18:23:47] | lirbaG: | i don't capture with this card, i only want the playback |
| [18:24:02] | sphery: | It sounds like you're using Xv output, which is only using the first display (as is normal with Xv), so it's displaying on the monitor (although that doesn't necessarily mean you can see it). |
| [18:24:03] | lirbaG: | i have a dvb-s card in a backend locatet in an other room |
| [18:24:25] | sphery: | In that case, I would highly recommend you use a "real" graphics card. |
| [18:24:47] | sphery: | PVR-350 is great for playing back PVR-x50-captured recordings on NTSC/PAL, but not good at anything else. |
| [18:25:30] | sphery: | Since you've captured using another card, Myth probably realizes that the PVR-350 can't handle playback, so it uses Xv (which uses the first display--the monitor)... |
| [18:25:39] | sphery: | Best bet--get rid of the extra display. |
| [18:25:56] | sphery: | And, long term, I'd recommend a different choice of TV out... |
| [18:26:03] | lirbaG: | i try – reboot and will see ... 2 minutes and i'll be back |
| [18:26:38] | sphery: | (And I own a PVR-350 that I used for TV out for 1 week and then decided its disadvantages outweight its one advantage--which isn't much of an advantage on modern CPU's). |
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| [18:27:32] | niter3: | Hi guys, I'm setting up mythtv to shutdown and to come up on a recording. However, which file does mythtv write to for the next recording? |
| [18:27:53] | lirbaG: | nothing changed – great sound, blue box |
| [18:27:58] | GreyFoxx: | the filename is based on the channel and time/date of the show |
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| [18:29:40] | lirbaG: | can i force mythtv to use the pvr-350? or disable any other devices? |
| [18:29:50] | sphery: | lirbaG: Did you remove/comment the configuration (in xorg.conf/XF86Config) for the monitor? |
| [18:30:04] | lirbaG: | will be back in a minute ;) |
| [18:31:29] | lirbaG: | i have no other screen in my xorg.conf |
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| [18:31:40] | lirbaG: | only the tv |
| [18:31:54] | lirbaG: | no way for mythtv to escape – but still the blue box |
| [18:37:29] | sphery: | lirbaG: no other Device (i.e. graphics device)? Only the ivtvfb or whatever? |
| [18:37:57] | lirbaG: | jup |
| [18:37:59] | lirbaG: | nothing else |
| [18:39:40] | sphery: | Well, I'm thinking there's something small missing... I don't know what it would be, and, IMHO, it's probably not worth the effort to find it as--unless you're recording with PVR-x50's--you're unlikely to be able to benefit from the PVR-350 (i.e. you won't be able to use its hardware decoder). |
| [18:39:48] | juski: | sphery: you know the thing that used to piss me off about people sending me theme patches or bugs about stuff not being perfectly aligned? the default themes were always worse off & nobody ever went to correct them ;) |
| [18:39:52] | sphery: | I still think the best bet is to use a real graphics card. |
| [18:40:10] | sphery: | juski: I definitely understand that... |
| [18:40:26] | sphery: | I spent some time on Minimalist-wide, but there was much left to do when I switched to your themes... |
| [18:40:37] | mkrufky: | the pvr350 can play back SDTV stuff fine |
| [18:40:48] | mkrufky: | just not HDTV |
| [18:40:50] | sphery: | juski: BTW, new page to use for all the patches, etc. http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/themes/ PG-wide is done |
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| [18:41:38] | juski: | what's up with the pg-wide screenshots? background is grey |
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| [18:41:47] | sphery: | mkrufky: It can't use the hardware decoder for anything captured with a software encoder (i.e. NUV container with RTJPEG or MPEG-4). I don't know whether the DVB-captured SDTV MPEG-2 would work well... |
| [18:42:00] | sphery: | juski: Don't know... That's now how it's supposed to be? |
| [18:42:08] | sphery: | Let me switch to QT painter... |
| [18:42:31] | mkrufky: | sphery: dvb-captured SDTV works fine, so long as it is NOT transcoded to nuv |
| [18:43:26] | sphery: | I wasn't sure--since the MPEG-2 I get here (OTA HDTV) is so all-over-the-board in terms of non-compliance... |
| [18:43:48] | lirbaG: | so – it should work fine – but only plays the nice blue box ... |
| [18:43:55] | sphery: | And, I wasn't sure if it could handle MPEG-TS (which I'm assuming they use for DVB SDTV) |
| [18:43:59] | lirbaG: | mplayer works fine with mpg-files |
| [18:44:02] | lirbaG: | gui works fine |
| [18:44:08] | juski: | sphery: www.juski.co.uk/pgw.png |
| [18:44:16] | lirbaG: | only live-tv (from dvb-s) doesn't work |
| [18:44:32] | juski: | anyway the opengl painter doesn't make stuff like recorded programs look any different AFAICT |
| [18:45:16] | sphery: | juski: You're right. It's not the painter... Unable to find image file: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/ProjectGrayhem-wide/dbackground.png |
| [18:45:35] | sphery: | I don't know if it's the make install in themes or something else... I'll find out in a minute. |
| [18:46:17] | sphery: | I think it's the install script... |
| [18:46:46] | sphery: | Yeah. It's not copying it because it's a link. |
| [18:46:53] | juski: | bleugh |
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| [18:47:11] | juski: | actually now I can remove dbackground.png & any references to it |
| [18:47:35] | sphery: | Going to just use background? |
| [18:48:25] | sphery: | If not, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3568 would fix the installer if applied to mythtv and (modified? and) applied to myththemes and themes. |
| [18:48:50] | juski: | just gonna use background |
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| [18:48:54] | sphery: | Yeah. I'm definitely making you do a lot of work considering I'm trying to help... :) |
| [18:49:07] | sphery: | 06.19 14:07:35 * sphery is starting to think that he's "helping" juski like a 3 year old "helps" Mom bake cookies... |
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| [18:49:19] | juski: | ah wait I need trans-background to be there |
| [18:49:30] | juski: | unless I set all the image types to fleximage=no |
| [18:49:33] | juski: | arghhh! |
| [18:49:43] | sphery: | Yeah. Also getting: Unable to find image file: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/ProjectGrayhem-wide/trans-pl-background.png |
| [18:49:54] | juski: | ffs |
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| [18:50:04] | sphery: | Same issues with blootube-wide... |
| [18:50:34] | sphery: | Well, for now, I'll manually create the symlinks... |
| [18:51:00] | Dagmar: | yep... tar abhors symlinks |
| [18:51:45] | juski: | I hate themes! |
| [18:52:10] | sphery: | It's actually Myth's cpsvndir script that's the problem here. |
| [18:53:05] | sphery: | Heh. Just noticed that the patch at #3568 would copy a copy of the file rather than copying the symlink (i.e. we'd have two copies). |
| [18:54:01] | sphery: | Hmmm. 21 links... I think fixing the install script is quicker than making the links manually. |
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| [18:56:54] | juski: | pg-wide updated |
| [18:57:05] | juski: | not the tarball. the tarballs can go F themselves |
| [18:58:23] | sphery: | Yeah. |
| [18:58:27] | sphery: | Thanks, though. |
| [18:58:34] | Dagmar: | Oh come on... make 'em into shar executables. |
| [18:58:48] | Dagmar: | You know you want o |
| [18:58:55] | sphery: | pax! |
| [18:59:05] | juski: | I'm seriously considering forcing users to check them out from subversion |
| [18:59:12] | sphery: | (course you'd have to become the GNU Pax maintainer, then finish writing it.) |
| [18:59:17] | juski: | donations or no donations |
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| [18:59:36] | juski: | I'm now maintaining each theme in two locations |
| [18:59:40] | juski: | messy as hell |
| [18:59:43] | ** sphery just broke his myth ** | |
| [18:59:47] | juski: | and tarballs.. and a webpage |
| [19:00:29] | juski: | and soon I have to drive my wife to a mall so she can take a 'hideous' dress back & help her pick out another. fecking joy |
| [19:00:30] | Dagmar: | Make a little script that does the publishing for you then |
| [19:00:58] | juski: | Dagmar: and have my ftp details lying around in a text file.. yeah great idea considering my website's history |
| [19:01:01] | Dagmar: | I don't manually upload all that dropline stuff |
| [19:01:11] | Dagmar: | scp, dude |
| [19:01:26] | juski: | ftp or ftp or ftp or ftp |
| [19:01:44] | juski: | I could use ftp! |
| [19:02:00] | Dagmar: | So let the script make the ftp client ask for a password |
| [19:02:16] | Dagmar: | Seriously |
| [19:02:51] | juski: | I could just stop updating the website :)( |
| [19:02:57] | TunaTom: | @sphery: Your hint with the broken input connection was great. |
| [19:03:11] | TunaTom: | Rebuilding/reinstalling the mercury checkout took a while but now the recordings are scheduled as normally. |
| [19:03:15] | Dagmar: | I just run 'publish pkgname' and the script invoke gpg to sign the things, and then uses scp to push 'em up |
| [19:03:29] | wastrel: | hi |
| [19:03:48] | juski: | hmm right now I'm not really feeling for end users so much.. |
| [19:03:54] | juski: | so they can wait for updates |
| [19:04:04] | sphery: | TunaTom: Glad it worked for you. |
| [19:04:19] | Dagmar: | I only had to manually sign and upload 3–400 packages before I got fed up enoug to script it |
| [19:04:23] | sphery: | Was wondering since you disappeared for a while. |
| [19:05:01] | Dagmar: | That number is not an exaggeration, btw |
| [19:05:31] | juski: | Dagmar: I know what I'd have done. say "screw that! users, go F yourselves one & all" |
| [19:05:34] | wastrel: | i got TV working on my linux |
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| [19:05:47] | juski: | but I'm just nice like that today |
| [19:06:18] | juski: | anyway its about now I make a promise i know I'll never keep but what the hell... |
| [19:06:25] | juski: | NO MORE THEMES FROM ME ! |
| [19:06:50] | juski: | maybe a proviso.. okay – if I make any more, I have to stop supporting another |
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| [19:08:00] | juski: | anyway maybe 8 is enough.. projectgrayhem, projectgrayhem-wide, projectgrayhem-osd, blootube, blootube-wide, blootubelite-wide, blootube-osd, neon-wide |
| [19:08:30] | juski: | it looks like a lot from where I'm sitting tbh |
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| [19:09:59] | sphery: | In the 70's they said eight is enough... |
| [19:10:17] | juski: | eight what? |
| [19:11:28] | Dagmar: | bullets |
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| [19:12:54] | Den|AFK: | ok i have this weird problem |
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| [19:13:11] | sphery: | juski: http://www.tv.com/eight-is-enough/show/691/su . . . ults;title;0 Perhaps a little to US-centric a reference... |
| [19:13:16] | Denidil: | when i'm watching LiveTV and it goes to comercial break.. when it comes back.. picture goes black/white and i have to exit and reenter |
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| [19:18:36] | lirbaG: | so, here i'm back, with no changes – no live or recorded playback over pvr350... only gui :( |
| [19:18:39] | TSCHAKWerk: | juski: now we just need one that uses animations like MePo-Wide uses |
| [19:18:44] | ** TSCHAKWerk runs away really fast ** | |
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| [19:19:57] | TSCHAKWerk: | we could call it "The Six-Million-Dollar-Theme" |
| [19:20:11] | Denidil: | ? |
| [19:20:17] | TSCHAKWerk: | the animation would be just fast enough to do "de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de-de..." :-P |
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| [19:21:39] | lirbaG: | if i try a dvd i see a small part of the picture through the pvr350 tv-out – but only a very small part, over the rest of the screen there is a big black box. at least i see something ;) |
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| [19:35:12] | sphery: | juski: I'm posting a working patch for #3658. Are you planning to just change names in the theme xml files or should I say that the patch is required for themes? (List of links at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/themes/ ) |
| [19:36:35] | sphery: | lirbaG: record something with the same capture card you're using for liveTV (or take a LiveTV file and try to play it back by dumping it to /dev/video16). If it doesn't work, that's your problem. |
| [19:36:55] | sphery: | It really sounds like you're trying to play back things that the hardware decoder can't handle. |
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| [19:40:30] | sphery: | juski: Much better with the background. It's impressive how something so much better than the "default" themes could be even better than I realized (when I had it partially installed). |
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| [19:45:32] | Beirdo: | xris: what version of svn do you have on your server with the bot? |
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| [19:48:21] | GreyFoxx: | Anyone know a good mpeg2ts analysis tool ? |
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| [19:48:27] | gbee: | sphery: #3658? |
| [19:48:47] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a stream here and I want to run it through something to give me the language identifiers (if any) oin the audio streams |
| [19:48:54] | gbee: | guess, that was meant to be #3568 |
| [19:49:27] | gbee: | removing symlinks is a good idea anyway, means we load the images multiple times so it's not very memory efficient |
| [19:53:28] | lirbaG: | recorded a file from dvb-swith mythtv, copied it to the frontend, played it with mplayer and it worked. |
| [19:54:33] | lirbaG: | so it seems to work – no decoder/hardware problem |
| [19:54:48] | sphery: | gbee: Yeah. #3568. Typo. |
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| [19:56:00] | lirbaG: | if i try to play the same file in mythtv i have my nice blue box |
| [19:56:01] | sphery: | I'll agree that it would be good to just change the references in the themes, but the patch attached to the ticket is broken (improper grouping). |
| [19:58:58] | lirbaG: | anyway – which card with tv-out do you prefer? i have a ati9800, a matrox450 – but nvidia around... |
| [20:00:22] | sphery: | NVIDIA's definitely the easiest to work with. Good driver support. |
| [20:01:25] | sphery: | If you want to try to get the 350 working, feel free. If the time required is less valuable than the cost of changing to a video card, that's probably the better approach. |
| [20:01:57] | sphery: | I'm just not a fan of the 350... I spent a lot of time figuring it out on my system, then realized it has /way/ too many downsides to have been worth the time. |
| [20:02:00] | xris: | Beirdo: subversion or svn revision of the bot? |
| [20:02:10] | xris: | no clue on the bot version |
| [20:02:15] | Beirdo: | subversion itself |
| [20:02:25] | xris: | 1.2.3 |
| [20:02:33] | Beirdo: | yikes :) |
| [20:02:46] | xris: | fc4 |
| [20:02:55] | Beirdo: | the wonks in #svn (aka developers) are telling me not to try to use libsvn 1.3, use 1.4 |
| [20:02:58] | xris: | it's getting upgraded to centos5 in the next few weeks (new hardware) |
| [20:03:04] | Beirdo: | as 1.3 is just about to be unsupported |
| [20:03:12] | Beirdo: | heh, and you have 1.2 currently |
| [20:03:37] | Beirdo: | the guy didn't understand the concept of not wanting to maintain a local copy of libsvn source... |
| [20:03:48] | xris: | what are you using libsvn for? |
| [20:03:57] | Beirdo: | getting changeset details |
| [20:03:59] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:04:08] | xris: | ah |
| [20:04:16] | Beirdo: | not gonna screen-scrape trac for that, that'd be silly |
| [20:04:22] | xris: | you need a ./configure that lets you do stuff like --without lua |
| [20:04:22] | xris: | etc |
| [20:04:46] | Beirdo: | yeah, I'll have to do that for the release (whenever that it) |
| [20:05:02] | Beirdo: | but yeah, being able to disable LUA would be a good thing |
| [20:05:18] | Beirdo: | actually, ./configure should be checking for LUA too |
| [20:05:37] | xris: | yes, it should |
| [20:06:39] | Beirdo: | I think for release time, I will be generating .deb files too |
| [20:06:39] | Beirdo: | and perhaps RPM |
| [20:07:29] | Beirdo: | be nice if they'd actually make tutorials for how to use libsvn :) |
| [20:08:34] | Beirdo: | heh, the guy I was chatting with is one of the authors of the SVN book |
| [20:09:10] | sphery: | juski: blootube{,lite}-wide are good in progdetails. Only PG-wide still needs patching. Patch (and updated shots) are at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/themes/ . Thanks. |
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| [20:28:18] | scurb: | What should be done in order to get mplayer to play .nuv files? |
| [20:29:08] | sphery: | You'll have to modify ffmpeg to support Myth's NUV format, then push the changes upstream, then compile MPlayer with the new ffmpeg... |
| [20:29:28] | scurb: | any howtos somewhere? |
| [20:29:43] | sphery: | Don't know if anyone has written the code, even... |
| [20:29:50] | janneg: | sphery: it should work out of the box |
| [20:30:07] | sphery: | when did they add the support? |
| [20:30:16] | tyce: | I am having trouble with my backend server crashing a lot. From what I've read, it seems it may be tied to my mysql tables getting corrupted due to dvb signal strength issues. Anyone know a good way to A. Fix the table (I don't care how much data is lost) and B. stop this from happening in the future? |
| [20:30:53] | janneg: | ffmpeg's rtjpeg decoder might need a update but a ffmpeg dev is working on that |
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| [20:31:31] | scurb: | I'm having problem playing videos with my xbmc ;) Installed the perlscript.. and setup the database.. all seems to be OK.. but when playing files.. it just shows a dialog in a short time..and after that.. nothing happens.. |
| [20:32:46] | sphery: | janneg: Cool. I hadn't tried it in forever since it didn't used to be supported. |
| [20:32:55] | sphery: | It works great, though. |
| [20:33:26] | sphery: | So, scurb, it should just work with a new enough MPlayer/ffmpeg. |
| [20:33:32] | sphery: | It works on my system. |
| [20:33:33] | janneg: | sphery: I don't know, Captain_Murdoch fixed an error involving multiple mp3 frames in a single packet recently, but general support is much older |
| [20:33:58] | scurb: | ha! it did :D haven't tried for a while :) |
| [20:35:01] | scurb: | aspect is wrong.. but guess I could change something when starting it in mplayer |
| [20:37:20] | scurb: | Anyone know how to change colorsettings on the tuner-card and then "save" it.. My picture is too red.. and with xawtv I can change this.. however.. it's never resistant.. |
| [20:37:35] | sphery: | hit g in livetv |
| [20:38:08] | sphery: | you'll have to do it on all channels (or use MythWeb's channel editor to copy the value from the channel you changed to all others). |
| [20:38:33] | scurb: | Ah, will do it with mythweb then... thanks for help anyway |
| [20:39:34] | scurb: | am I supposed to "save" the value when I've altered it with G in livetv? |
| [20:39:51] | scurb: | my mythweb shows max value for the channel .. even though I've changed it. |
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| [20:40:32] | sphery: | It's saved automatically. |
| [20:41:18] | sphery: | Are you sure you're looking at the right field? Are you sure it was saved when you told MythWeb to bring up the channel settings page? |
| [20:41:49] | sphery: | Also, make sure you exit LiveTV (just in case) (or at least change the channel) after changing the value. |
| [20:42:04] | sphery: | Don't know exactly when it gets saved. |
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| [20:44:42] | scurb: | Hum.. changed channel... will try to exit livetv as well |
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| [20:45:51] | scurb: | it says 32768 in all columns despite my changes :) (brightness, contrast, colour, hue) |
| [20:51:13] | sphery: | what capture card? |
| [20:52:45] | mkrufky: | scurb: are you using a cx88-based card? |
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| [20:53:10] | mkrufky: | i bet he's suffering from the contrast bug... which i fixed, but "the maintainer" nacked my fix last year |
| [20:53:29] | xDVST8x: | ive just installed a "backend" server... it wont let me login via ssh?? |
| [20:53:46] | mkrufky: | you have to start the sshd service, xDVST8x |
| [20:54:00] | xDVST8x: | its telling me i have an invalid password |
| [20:54:07] | mkrufky: | well, then |
| [20:54:20] | xDVST8x: | i know the password i set |
| [20:54:32] | mkrufky: | are you trying to login as root ? |
| [20:54:36] | xDVST8x: | yes |
| [20:54:44] | mkrufky: | try to login as a non-root user |
| [20:54:58] | mkrufky: | you probably have remote root login disabled |
| [20:55:00] | scurb: | mkrufky, bt878-card... hauppauge |
| [20:55:13] | mkrufky: | (and thats a good thing — keep remote root login disabled) |
| [20:55:21] | mkrufky: | scurb: ok, forget it — i was thinking of something else |
| [20:55:29] | xDVST8x: | how bout this.. when i try to browse to the ip of the server |
| [20:55:34] | xDVST8x: | it says the backend isnt running |
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| [20:56:15] | RyeBrye: | maybe your backend isn't running |
| [20:56:18] | ** RyeBrye shrugs ** | |
| [20:56:37] | xDVST8x: | why wouldnt it be |
| [20:56:55] | xDVST8x: | a fresh install... already did the mythfilldatabase thing... |
| [20:57:03] | RyeBrye: | did you tell it to start? |
| [20:57:21] | RyeBrye: | you have to explicitly tell mythbackend to start |
| [20:57:27] | xDVST8x: | oh |
| [20:57:31] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [20:57:32] | xDVST8x: | whats the cmd |
| [20:57:38] | RyeBrye: | mythbackend |
| [20:57:43] | RyeBrye: | or mythbackend -d if you want it to run as a daemon |
| [20:57:51] | RyeBrye: | (you should probably use mythbackend -d) |
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| [20:59:03] | xDVST8x: | is there a way i can setup a windows share on the /storage |
| [20:59:19] | mkrufky: | man samba |
| [20:59:44] | RyeBrye: | yes, see what mkrufky said |
| [20:59:45] | mkrufky: | oops, im sorry, that is outdated advice, huh? |
| [20:59:53] | RyeBrye: | why not use samba? |
| [20:59:54] | mkrufky: | i think newer distros use CIFS now |
| [20:59:56] | RyeBrye: | oh |
| [21:00:06] | mkrufky: | look up samba anyway, xDVST8x — it will explain what u need to know |
| [21:02:58] | janneg: | samba is cifs server too |
| [21:03:37] | Dagmar: | Think of CIFS as what the people who reverse-engineered SMB learned from all it's mistakes. |
| [21:03:51] | mkrufky: | lol, thats a good analogy |
| [21:04:03] | xDVST8x: | it wont start |
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| [21:07:40] | RyeBrye: | Is there a way to tweak the tuning for specific channels on a PVR-500 card? I've got some channels that are noisy on my analog cable |
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| [21:08:14] | Hausberg: | I tried updating my kernel on gentoo to 2.6.20 all wen ok except mythtv accepted only cursor keys and enter – ESC or any other keys were not getting response at all?!? is there a known issue like this? |
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| [21:08:53] | sphery: | RyeBrye: finetune |
| [21:09:01] | sphery: | Specify offset in kHz (positive or negative) |
| [21:09:06] | RyeBrye: | Cool |
| [21:09:21] | sphery: | But, chances are it won't help |
| [21:09:26] | RyeBrye: | :( |
| [21:09:28] | sphery: | It's most likely the signal. |
| [21:09:45] | sphery: | amps, splitters, and filters may be important... |
| [21:09:51] | Dagmar: | It's just always Gentoo, isn't it? |
| [21:10:07] | RyeBrye: | I'll have to get an amp probably |
| [21:10:16] | Dagmar: | Every time someone has a problem that makes you say to yourself, "Jesus, how the h**l did that manage to bugger it up like *that*?" |
| [21:10:50] | Dagmar: | Bizzare, downright _unnatural_ malfunctions. Things straight out of some kind of bad supernatural horror flick. |
| [21:11:00] | sphery: | Here's some info I wrote up after a friend and I made his cable connect go from unusable to nearly as good as my DISH network STB's S-Video output |
| [21:11:03] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/ivtv/devel/17953#17953 |
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| [21:11:41] | sphery: | Dagmar: Yeah. I know what you mean... |
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| [21:12:08] | Dagmar: | sphery: Summary of URL... "Go unbugger what the cable company reps did." |
| [21:12:14] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [21:13:08] | sphery: | Dagmar: definitely a good summary |
| [21:14:55] | sphery: | Hausberg: Do your keys work elsewhere in X (i.e. not in MythTV, but in an xterm or something)? If not, do they work outside of X? |
| [21:16:17] | Hausberg: | sphery yes they do and the same happened with my remote too. Suddenly the mythtv was responding only to the arrow keys (actually number keys too) and enter |
| [21:16:39] | Hausberg: | It has to do something with kernel since 2.6.18 works ok |
| [21:17:04] | sphery: | If it works in X, it should work in Myth... |
| [21:17:15] | sphery: | Myth just uses the keycodes that X passes it... |
| [21:18:23] | sphery: | It sounds like it may be a problem with your keymappings, but I can't see any way that downgrading the kernel would cause broken keymappings to work again... |
| [21:18:48] | sphery: | (actually, I mean Myth's key bindings, not X or kernel stuff) |
| [21:20:48] | Hausberg: | sphery yes, actually that's interesting – now that you say X was not responding to ctrl+alt+f2 or something – it was before x started that I had functional keyboard... |
| [21:21:55] | Hausberg: | but still remote was not cooperating either with this...although it should send the same keypresses |
| [21:21:55] | xris: | so much for free zap2it listings..... |
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| [21:23:04] | mkrufky: | xris: i renewed my zap2it yesterday — it wa still free |
| [21:23:27] | mkrufky: | (this is the first time i actually remembered to renew, instead of waiting till it expired and create a new acct) |
| [21:24:33] | xris: | mkrufky: they just posted on their forums |
| [21:25:12] | xris: | gone as of sept. 1 |
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| [21:29:34] | mkrufky: | yikes!!! xris: what are we americans going to do ?!? |
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| [21:31:58] | mkrufky: | :-( the announcement is in the front of their web site, too... http://labs.zap2it.com |
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| [21:33:20] | ** russellb cries ** | |
| [21:34:48] | mkrufky: | DataDirect Status: Your subscription expires on 09/19/2007 01:55:48 AM |
| [21:35:07] | Dagmar: | *crap* |
| [21:35:10] | mkrufky: | ^^^ so, i guess that's a lie, too :'( |
| [21:35:37] | mkrufky: | they're not even going subscription-only..... looks like they're discontinuing the service, entirely |
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| [21:37:07] | mkrufky: | ok, so now i am having september, and june isnt even over :-( |
| [21:37:15] | mkrufky: | having a bad september, that is |
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| [21:37:57] | GUARDiAN|nb: | hi, is it possible to have mythtv running in a resizable window? |
| [21:39:03] | janneg: | GUARDiAN|nb: no until you write a patch |
| [21:39:19] | RyeBrye: | Dang. That sucks |
| [21:39:32] | ** RyeBrye wonders what will happen to guide data for MythTV ** | |
| [21:39:58] | ben_goodger: | does that apply to the UK? |
| [21:40:36] | ** russellb requests a minute of silence from the US folks to mourn our loss. ** | |
| [21:40:54] | GUARDiAN|nb: | what loss? |
| [21:41:10] | russellb: | free tv listings :) |
| [21:41:31] | GreyFoxx: | free, and good xml listings service |
| [21:41:37] | GreyFoxx: | personally I'd pay for it |
| [21:41:45] | GreyFoxx: | if it was an option at least |
| [21:41:55] | russellb: | I would too, for sure |
| [21:42:05] | Dagmar: | It's not like it would cost people much |
| [21:42:09] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [21:42:12] | RyeBrye: | I'd pay for it too |
| [21:42:21] | Dagmar: | Maybe we should hassle Zap2it to just do something with Paypal |
| [21:42:28] | GreyFoxx: | that would be cool |
| [21:42:33] | ** GreyFoxx takes his kid to the playground ** | |
| [21:42:34] | russellb: | yeah, that's not a bad idea ... |
| [21:42:39] | russellb: | if enough people wave money at them .... |
| [21:42:57] | Dagmar: | They've gotta know pretty much exactly how much it costs them per user by _now- |
| [21:43:01] | RyeBrye: | The abuse was people using the data to avoid buying commercial data, right? |
| [21:43:13] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
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| [21:43:25] | GreyFoxx: | reselling it |
| [21:43:29] | Dagmar: | ...and very likely people having several hundreds of units of their commercial product using the thing |
| [21:43:42] | russellb: | yeah, that's weak ... |
| [21:44:10] | RyeBrye: | zap2it runs my local cable co's guide data screen |
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| [21:44:39] | RyeBrye: | that has no relevance to this discussion, I suppose |
| [21:45:31] | Dagmar: | If it's a CPU power and bandwidth problem, a paypal solution could probably be worked out before then |
| [21:46:18] | RyeBrye: | What licensing terms do they release their guide data under? |
| [21:46:35] | RyeBrye: | (the commercial stuff) |
| [21:46:43] | Dagmar: | As far as we're concerned here, "free to hobbyists for their own personal, noncommercial use" |
| [21:46:55] | Dagmar: | ...which basically amounts to data for a few thousand people. |
| [21:46:58] | Dagmar: | Not terribly much |
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| [21:47:24] | RyeBrye: | Maybe they could just strike up a deal with one "hobbyist" and then license the data to him... and he then resells it to mythtv users who pay via paypal... ' |
| [21:47:25] | Dagmar: | Because "hobbyists doing personal, noncommercial things" is a pretty small group of folks in this case |
| [21:47:56] | Dagmar: | That could be done, but I think they'd probably want to be able to make at least like a 3% profit off it or something |
| [21:48:48] | Dagmar: | It might be that they're also paying the stations some amount for their data, so reselling the data at a markup might cause a problem |
| [21:49:15] | TSCHAK: | fucking hell :-( |
| [21:49:17] | Dagmar: | ...but with no markup, and no external entity working a markup either, the problem becomes pretty squishy |
| [21:49:26] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. damn. |
| [21:49:40] | TSCHAK: | i'm going to write to them and ask if there's anyone we can get the data from, even if it IS for a subscription |
| [21:49:57] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, someone start a thread on their forum where we can all say "let me pay! PlEEEEZe" |
| [21:50:04] | RyeBrye: | or something :) |
| [21:50:17] | RyeBrye: | 'cause my MythTV box will pretty much suck without guide data |
| [21:50:21] | Dagmar: | If enough people email them and inquire about it, they'll probably give it some thought |
| [21:51:09] | RyeBrye: | I HALF wonder if they are planning to do it as subscription, but were smart enough to realize that by saying "No more data" that they know they will get a much more favorable response when we realize that paying $ is better than no data |
| [21:51:15] | Dagmar: | They're a business, and you can *always* interest a business in a profitable system. |
| [21:51:49] | Dagmar: | Frankly if it were like $5/year I'd have give it to them if all they promised was to think nice thoughts at my name |
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| [21:52:21] | Dagmar: | ...and I think it could be done for less than that |
| [21:52:44] | mkrufky: | i want to pay also!!! |
| [21:53:00] | mkrufky: | i simply cannot rely on EIT alone |
| [21:53:08] | RyeBrye: | I have no EIT |
| [21:53:14] | RyeBrye: | I have nothing |
| [21:53:16] | RyeBrye: | :/ |
| [21:53:40] | GreyFoxx: | I'd pay up to $25/$30 a year |
| [21:53:45] | GreyFoxx: | but we;ll see what happens |
| [21:53:48] | RyeBrye: | maybe I can get a Windows MCE box setup and sniff its traffic and steal it's guide data coming down the pipe |
| [21:54:05] | RyeBrye: | windows mCE users don't pay for data, do they? Just MS? |
| [21:54:50] | juski: | yeah but MCE users don't get very good data either |
| [21:54:53] | mkrufky: | well, lets not put a price on it just yet :-) |
| [21:55:30] | TSCHAK: | I just sent them an email. |
| [21:55:43] | russellb: | so someone start a thread on the zap2it forums, and we can all note that we'd be willing to pay |
| [21:55:45] | TSCHAK: | I think every one of us in here in the US should do the same. |
| [21:55:49] | RyeBrye: | ok |
| [21:55:52] | russellb: | then email the mythtv lists asking for others to post their thoughts, too |
| [21:55:57] | TSCHAK: | yes |
| [21:56:00] | mkrufky: | hmm... maybe somebody will take this as an opportunity to RE time warner's guide data .... im not talking about EIT — that's only a day or two's worth ... but in the advanced program guide they have at least a week's worth |
| [21:56:36] | mkrufky: | (i'd still rather use zap2it) |
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| [21:59:11] | sphery: | I'd guess that $5/year/customer would cost them more money than it would make them (i.e. the cost of billing the customers). |
| [21:59:47] | mkrufky: | they should only accept credit — that would make it easier |
| [21:59:59] | mkrufky: | automatic bill payments, _only_ |
| [22:00:18] | sphery: | The benefit they have with selling to cable/satellite/PVR-companies is that they bill for tons of people all at once. |
| [22:00:26] | Dagmar: | sphery: Hence, paypal and the micropayments it facilitates |
| [22:00:54] | sphery: | Does that really save them money? |
| [22:01:09] | sphery: | Isn't it the maintaining customer accounts that's expensive? |
| [22:01:23] | sphery: | I.e. why the local gas company charges $5/mo just to be a customer. |
| [22:02:06] | sphery: | It would help on the collection side, but they'd still need the account maintenance stuff... |
| [22:02:10] | Dagmar: | Paypal is cheap to work with |
| [22:02:31] | Dagmar: | ...and you can pretty much just plug their stuff into your DB and let it go |
| [22:03:11] | mkrufky: | i gotta go... later guys |
| [22:03:12] | sphery: | I'm just thinking if I had the choice of billing 10 vendors or billing millions of customers and getting the same revenue either way, I'd gladly take the first option. |
| [22:03:27] | RyeBrye: | http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1296 |
| [22:03:28] | Dagmar: | See, with this you just point the customers at paypal |
| [22:03:34] | sphery: | (Not that they would have millions of Myth users, but the millions of TiVo/cable/satellite users) |
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| [22:04:32] | Dagmar: | Now if you were going to accept credit card payments and handle user password recovery yourself, it would be expensive |
| [22:04:56] | RyeBrye: | yeah, Paypal would be good |
| [22:05:00] | RyeBrye: | or Google checkout maybe :) |
| [22:05:07] | sphery: | Since the Myth users are "negligible" numbers in comparison, I'd say the right business decision would be to drop them. But, it will be interesting to see what happens. |
| [22:05:14] | Dagmar: | Pfft. |
| [22:05:23] | RyeBrye: | maybe Google can buy Zap2it for us |
| [22:05:26] | Dagmar: | Google might damn well just decide to *adopt* the service if they found out |
| [22:05:28] | RyeBrye: | and give it to us for free still :) |
| [22:05:40] | TSCHAK: | zap2it knows we're a bunch of creative people |
| [22:05:42] | RyeBrye: | Dear Google: |
| [22:05:43] | Dagmar: | "Hey internet users! You can now search local TV listings!" |
| [22:05:47] | TSCHAK: | and ultimately that's why they gave us the service |
| [22:05:50] | TSCHAK: | to see what we'd do with it |
| [22:05:53] | RyeBrye: | For Christmas, I would like my local TV listings. Thank you. |
| [22:05:55] | Dagmar: | I can see them doing that |
| [22:06:01] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. |
| [22:06:02] | ** sphery voted ** | |
| [22:06:07] | RyeBrye: | Search your local TV listings. (Beta) |
| [22:06:27] | Dagmar: | Pfft. It's probably already in there somewhere as a Google calendar if we just looked hard enough |
| [22:07:01] | sphery: | I'm vote #2. |
| [22:07:07] | RyeBrye: | I'm vote #1 :) |
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| [22:09:08] | sphery: | Thanks for setting up the vote. Are you posting it to the -users list? |
| [22:09:33] | RyeBrye: | I'm not on the -users list... I'll let you post it :) |
| [22:09:38] | RyeBrye: | (I just read via gossamer) |
| [22:11:54] | RyeBrye: | Before zap2it labs, was mythtv just screen scraping guide data? |
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| [22:13:24] | gbee: | xmltv/scrapping may not be a desirable long term solution, or at least not a solution for everyone, but it would be a good idea to start work on a script before those 2 months are up |
| [22:14:01] | RyeBrye: | Yeah |
| [22:15:38] | ** sphery doesn't relish the idea of daily updates of XMLTV due to a company's trying to discourage screen scraping... ** | |
| [22:17:17] | Tanthrix: | Oh, we are so screwed. |
| [22:17:36] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. No joke |
| [22:17:44] | ** RyeBrye is screwed :( ** | |
| [22:18:20] | RyeBrye: | are there any rss feeds for news listings? |
| [22:18:23] | RyeBrye: | err guide data? |
| [22:18:33] | RyeBrye: | that would be the next best thing to the xml data I would presume |
| [22:19:05] | xDVST8x: | do i have to do anything special to setup mybackend to stream dvd video to the frontend? |
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| [22:19:28] | Tanthrix: | I'm sending them e-mail telling them I'd be willing to spend $20 a year on keeping up the services – I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to set something up like that – it's not like this stuff requires a lot of bandwidth, so it's practically free money to them |
| [22:20:11] | sphery: | xDVST8x: You do realize that's an on-topic question, right? ;) |
| [22:20:22] | mchou: | damn, say it aint so! No more free listings from zap2it? |
| [22:20:31] | RyeBrye: | Nope, it's so |
| [22:20:34] | RyeBrye: | http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1296 |
| [22:20:38] | RyeBrye: | As of Sept 1 |
| [22:20:46] | RyeBrye: | (that's our "please give us data" thread) |
| [22:20:55] | sphery: | xDVST8x: You'll need to mount the DVD locally (i.e. have a DVD drive in the frontend or rip it and use a network share to store the ISO) |
| [22:21:02] | mchou: | damn, so we use xmltv again? |
| [22:21:02] | RyeBrye: | http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1294 |
| [22:21:27] | RyeBrye: | guess so :( |
| [22:21:36] | mchou: | misuse?? |
| [22:21:48] | mchou: | I think that's a bunch of crock |
| [22:22:02] | mchou: | Tribune Co. go bought up is more like it |
| [22:22:29] | mchou: | s/go/got |
| [22:22:52] | RyeBrye: | hmm... probably true |
| [22:23:09] | mchou: | Tribune Co. was in the dumps for a long time as far ast stockholders were concerned |
| [22:23:39] | RyeBrye: | http://www.gemstartvguide.com/WhatWeDo/Publis . . . Default.aspx TV Guide has a pay data service... I wonder if zap2it says "no pay data for you" if TV guide would see a chance to make some easy money |
| [22:23:43] | Tanthrix: | I seriously doubt the mythtv and assorted user base is large enough for any company to give a damn about withholding TV data from |
| [22:23:55] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [22:23:56] | mchou: | They finally got sold, labs.zap2it was probably one of their casualties |
| [22:24:01] | RyeBrye: | :( |
| [22:24:41] | mchou: | Tanthrix: I doubt if it's myth user base |
| [22:24:57] | mchou: | if anything, I'd blame Snapstream |
| [22:25:05] | RyeBrye: | There are LOTS of things using zap2it |
| [22:25:20] | RyeBrye: | a lot of stupid little "see tv listings on your desktop" programs and such |
| [22:25:21] | Tanthrix: | "mythtv and assorted" |
| [22:25:30] | mchou: | assume the "abuse" reason isn't full of of crock |
| [22:25:44] | Tanthrix: | Hence, I'm more inclined to believe it is about "abuse," where abuse == too many people using. |
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| [22:26:16] | mchou: | Tanthrix: where does it say "mythtv and assoreted?" |
| [22:26:25] | mchou: | assorted* |
| [22:26:36] | RyeBrye: | "...we suggest you consider the many TV listings options offered by the commercial licensees of TMS TV listings data" |
| [22:26:56] | sphery: | I was just about to ask who those are... |
| [22:26:56] | RyeBrye: | Meaning: "Go buy from them" or "Go scrape the hell out of the people sell data to"? |
| [22:27:20] | RyeBrye: | My local cableco uses them for their tv listings channel |
| [22:27:21] | mchou: | gah, what a PITA |
| [22:27:30] | sphery: | Does anyone know of a commercial licensee that makes it available in a form that could be made usable? |
| [22:27:56] | RyeBrye: | I don't even know of a commercial licensee period |
| [22:28:15] | sphery: | Yeah. That's where I stand... |
| [22:28:17] | Tanthrix: | mchou: That was me, replying to your comment that you thought it was a cable company shutting down the labs to prevent competition. I'm saying that mythtv user base (and other PVR apps that use it) is too small for them to care about. More likely too many people are using the system, or too many commercial uses, etc.. |
| [22:28:26] | mchou: | RyeBrye: there are plenty of commercial licenses |
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| [22:28:53] | Tanthrix: | In any case, I encourage you all to send e-mails saying that you'd be willing to spend some money (assuming you would) to keep using their service |
| [22:28:53] | RyeBrye: | my cable company uses them to power their scrolling list of "what's playing" – but OCR on a scrolling video channel to get 2 hours of data isn't exactly a good solution |
| [22:29:14] | sphery: | The question is who has "TV listings options offered by the commercial licensees of TMS TV listings data" that we could "consider" |
| [22:29:16] | Tanthrix: | $20 a year would be nothing, and I think essentially free money to them since, as I said, bandwidth cannot cost that much |
| [22:29:24] | Tanthrix: | And they already have the data and system setup, obviously |
| [22:29:28] | mchou: | Tanthrix: I never said cable was shutting them down. I said Snapstream is most likely the abuser |
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| [22:29:45] | Tanthrix: | All they need to implement is a billing component, so us regular users can pay for the service and use it accordingly |
| [22:29:50] | Tanthrix: | mchou: Oh, misunderstood. |
| [22:29:58] | sphery: | Tanthrix: How many North-American MythTV users do you think there are? |
| [22:30:02] | RyeBrye: | They already HAVE a "account status" thing |
| [22:30:09] | RyeBrye: | I'm a "Gold member" |
| [22:30:10] | RyeBrye: | :) |
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| [22:30:36] | mchou: | Tanthrix: dude, the adminstration costs dont make business sense at all |
| [22:30:37] | sphery: | At $20/year, a few thousand users wouldn't pay for a computer tech to keep the system running... |
| [22:30:45] | Tanthrix: | sphery: Probably not too many – but if you take into account all the other apps that use it, and the fact that it's essentially free money to them, I don't see a reason why they wouldn't offer it |
| [22:30:50] | mchou: | lol. exactly |
| [22:30:53] | Tanthrix: | Doesn't preclude them from doing whatver commercial stuff they want to |
| [22:31:21] | Dibblah: | "free money" doesn't exist. |
| [22:31:39] | RyeBrye: | free money would have a pretty high inflation rate |
| [22:31:49] | Dibblah: | If you pay for a service, you expect a level of service that requires maintanance. |
| [22:32:04] | ** sphery thinks Tanthrix should, "discuss how to license TV listings for commercial use ... by e-mail (labs@zap2it.com )" and set up a company that makes free money selling it to MythTV users. ** | |
| [22:32:06] | mchou: | dude, if "free" money existed they'd had charges myth ppl for zap2it long ago |
| [22:32:19] | Tanthrix: | Dibblah: Like what? Are they supposed to come fix my TV when it breaks? |
| [22:32:22] | mchou: | sphery: haha! bingo! |
| [22:32:26] | mike3_: | lirc is locking up my computer. As soon as I press a button on the remote my whole computer freezes... |
| [22:32:27] | mike3_: | help! |
| [22:32:43] | sphery: | did you press the pause button? |
| [22:32:51] | mike3_: | no my whole computer locks up freezes |
| [22:32:52] | mchou: | mike3_: that's easily solved. stop using lirc |
| [22:32:54] | sphery: | (that's a joke--ignore me--I don't know what would cause it) |
| [22:32:54] | RyeBrye: | don't press buttons |
| [22:32:54] | mike3_: | i have to rboot |
| [22:33:33] | Tanthrix: | And by "free money" I mean "income with little to no work or downside" – obviously it might not be that much income, but it would certainly make some kind of profit. |
| [22:33:35] | sphery: | So, now that LXM Suite is looking pretty, well, sweet... |
| [22:33:54] | sphery: | Too bad they went out of business because no one was willing to pay when they could get the listings for free... |
| [22:34:00] | mchou: | screw that. LXM never had a viable business model |
| [22:34:13] | mchou: | free listings or no |
| [22:34:15] | sphery: | Yeah, but they had data. And now we don't. :) |
| [22:34:24] | RyeBrye: | we ain't get no data |
| [22:34:27] | mchou: | xmltv still works |
| [22:34:40] | Tanthrix: | Bandwidth is extremely cheap, especially for doing text only stuff. But if you all would like to do nothing and bitch and moan about how zap2it labs is going away, be my guest. I for one would be willing to pay, and I think others might be as well, so it's worth mentioning. |
| [22:34:41] | sphery: | But not for North American users. |
| [22:34:50] | sphery: | tv_grab_na is gone, isn't it? |
| [22:34:54] | Tanthrix: | It's a good service, and definately beats scrapers |
| [22:34:58] | sphery: | just tv_grab_na_dd, now. |
| [22:35:00] | mchou: | xmltv afaik works for north america |
| [22:35:17] | sphery: | I"m pretty sure the only one that works is the DataDirect one |
| [22:35:43] | sphery: | Since one requirement TMS had when they started DataDirect was that we stop scraping Zap2It. |
| [22:35:44] | mchou: | sphery: maybe the only one that gets maintained was DD |
| [22:35:46] | RyeBrye: | http://tv.yahoo.com/listings;_ylt=AoCGVbFCGPxUe8JkcwjUHh2Ao9EF |
| [22:35:52] | RyeBrye: | yahoo has listings |
| [22:35:58] | sphery: | So, they shouldhave taken out the screen scraping one. |
| [22:36:00] | RyeBrye: | but of course... they are in bed with TiVo |
| [22:36:24] | mchou: | there is nothing they can do to prevent screen scraping now |
| [22:36:49] | sphery: | No, but there are games they can play (i.e. small mods to the web page every day). |
| [22:36:51] | mchou: | I'm sure someone will have a working soln by Sept 1 |
| [22:36:59] | sphery: | I'm getting too old to compete in those games... It's not worth my time. |
| [22:37:00] | Tanthrix: | RyeBrye: Lots of places have listings – the issue is that scraping can be damned unreliable. All they need to do is change the page and the scraper needs to be updated. That's why datadirect is so great. |
| [22:37:08] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I know |
| [22:37:16] | sphery: | Yep. |
| [22:37:20] | sphery: | I'd gladly pay for listings. |
| [22:37:39] | Tanthrix: | So go tell zap2its instead of complaining here. It will take 2 seconds and can't hurt. |
| [22:37:55] | mchou: | hell no |
| [22:38:12] | mchou: | that's just going into the circular file |
| [22:38:23] | Tanthrix: | sphery: (And I didn't mean that rudely or anything – just that I think it's worth doing) |
| [22:38:27] | mchou: | assuming you dont piss them off |
| [22:38:28] | sphery: | I did tell zap2it... I was vote #2. |
| [22:38:51] | sphery: | http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1296 |
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| [22:39:06] | sphery: | #3 isn't helping the cause... |
| [22:39:11] | mchou: | you'd have much better change by writing to the guy who bought Tribune Co. |
| [22:39:18] | sphery: | Why would you vote no... Why not just not vote. |
| [22:39:21] | mchou: | chance* |
| [22:39:28] | Tanthrix: | sphery: What are you referring to? Are you seeing a poll or something? |
| [22:39:36] | sphery: | http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1296 |
| [22:39:39] | sphery: | yep |
| [22:39:40] | sphery: | there |
| [22:39:50] | sphery: | need to log in with your DataDirect login |
| [22:39:53] | mchou: | because businesses arent democracies |
| [22:40:02] | Tanthrix: | Oh, I wasn't logged in. My bad. Thought you were just linking to their little message. |
| [22:40:08] | sphery: | Nope. |
| [22:40:20] | sphery: | Message is 1294. RyeBrye's vote is 1296 :) |
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| [22:40:51] | sphery: | anyone willing to pay should definitely vote at http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1296 . |
| [22:41:02] | RyeBrye: | Oh :) |
| [22:41:07] | sphery: | even if it doesn't help, it shouldn't hurt |
| [22:41:12] | mchou: | that's gonna be useless |
| [22:41:14] | sphery: | (unless more people vote no) |
| [22:41:24] | RyeBrye: | AOL's TV listings are powerd by zap2it |
| [22:41:34] | RyeBrye: | maybe they are the ones they refered to in their announcement |
| [22:41:39] | sphery: | If nothing else, it should give a more reasonable count than anyone's WAG's. |
| [22:41:49] | Tanthrix: | Indeed. |
| [22:41:59] | sphery: | That would at least allow others to consider the option of licensing and redistributing the listings... |
| [22:42:37] | sphery: | (I am assuming that it won't let a logged in user vote more than once.) |
| [22:42:55] | sphery: | Unfortunately, if people who have 2+ DataDirect accounts vote multiple times... |
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| [22:43:40] | RyeBrye: | I would license and redistribute, but I bet they want $$$ up front for that kind of agreement |
| [22:43:51] | mattwj2005: | hi everyone :) |
| [22:44:37] | mattwj2005: | anyone know how to change the size of the mythfrontend when it is in a window? |
| [22:44:41] | Beirdo: | W00t! |
| [22:44:45] | mattwj2005: | 640x480 would be awesome :) |
| [22:44:45] | Beirdo: | <BeirdoTestBot> [10] Author: gjhurlbu Date: 2006-08–01T01:49:29.624016Z Message: Renamed test-glut.c to render_child.c Cleaned up includes |
| [22:45:05] | RyeBrye: | cool |
| [22:45:07] | Beirdo: | I got it workin! that's actually polling the SVN repository directly from the bot |
| [22:45:35] | sphery: | Unfortunately, I don't know that I would license and redistribute as I think it would be unable to cover expenses. |
| [22:45:37] | Beirdo: | I hate the date format, but that's what SVN gives me |
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| [22:45:57] | sphery: | mattwj2005: You can only change the size through the settings. It's not resizeable (sp?) |
| [22:46:11] | mattwj2005: | that is cool |
| [22:46:20] | mattwj2005: | my screen is 1024 x 768 |
| [22:46:24] | sphery: | mattwj2005: You can use "-geometry 800x600" on the command-line, but only at startup. |
| [22:46:28] | mattwj2005: | 640x480 would be awesome |
| [22:46:33] | mattwj2005: | :| *shocked* |
| [22:46:38] | mattwj2005: | it is that easy? :D |
| [22:46:45] | sphery: | If you don't want to resize it, you should change the settings. |
| [22:46:55] | sphery: | in mythfrontend settings under appearance |
| [22:47:08] | mattwj2005: | yup I got it under a window format |
| [22:47:10] | mattwj2005: | thank you! |
| [22:47:11] | sphery: | Otherwise, you're doing a "settings override" (with -geometry) |
| [22:47:30] | edman007: | is there anything i can do to make commercial flagging use like 50% CPU (and renicing it does not help) or at least delay all flagging to the middle of the night |
| [22:47:31] | mattwj2005: | if you were here you could have some onion rings and fish sandwiches |
| [22:47:34] | sphery: | So, change it in the settings to what it should usually be and only override when you need something else. |
| [22:47:34] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [22:47:42] | sphery: | mattwj2005: sounds good... |
| [22:47:48] | ** sphery should go get some dinner. ** | |
| [22:47:55] | mattwj2005: | Diet Mountain Dew if you like that too |
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| [22:50:14] | sphery: | mattwj2005: You did change the settings to the most appropriate value, right? |
| [22:50:37] | sphery: | (sorry, but I'm obsessive about "settings should be set to the norm and overridden only when necessary") |
| [22:50:48] | mattwj2005: | yeah |
| [22:50:58] | mattwj2005: | 640x480 is prefect :) |
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| [22:54:31] | mattwj2005: | hmm |
| [22:54:38] | mattwj2005: | I might have to make it a little smaller |
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| [22:57:46] | mattwj2005: | 480x360 works better |
| [22:59:30] | edman007: | is there no way to push back commflagging so it always starts at night? |
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| [23:02:17] | sphery: | edman007: Job Queue Start/End Time in mythtv-setup |
| [23:02:37] | edman007: | ok, let me look, thanks |
| [23:03:01] | mattwj2005: | brb guys |
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| [23:03:31] | simcop2387-tv: | whee |
| [23:04:15] | mikeones: | is this bad? mythtv-setup[5951] trap stack segment rip:2b0e8c533137 rsp:7fff24d09f80 error:0 |
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| [23:07:25] | simcop2387-tv: | "DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 0" anyone know what this means? i'm trying to setup a firewire STB, and mythtv-setup says this about the set top box (its a jvc tv with firewire out) it works fine with test-mpeg2 |
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| [23:08:28] | Tanthrix: | Hrm, I had that at some point but I don't remember why |
| [23:08:53] | simcop2387-tv: | Tanthrix, yea i just don't know what it means |
| [23:08:55] | Tanthrix: | I'd try removing the firewire card then readding it. And do use SVN – it's got some nifty stuff (such was using GUIDs instead of nodes, so rebooting doesn't change your settings) |
| [23:09:24] | simcop2387-tv: | yea i'm using svn now, i haven't been able to add it (well i can but it doesn't display any guids) |
| [23:09:43] | Tanthrix: | Hrm, weird. |
| [23:09:53] | simcop2387-tv: | i'm tempted to just edit the database and put it in from plugreport |
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| [23:14:49] | mattwj2005: | hey guys :) |
| [23:14:54] | mattwj2005: | I got it to work! |
| [23:15:00] | simcop2387-tv: | cool! |
| [23:15:36] | mattwj2005: | right now this is a on my main desktop running linux of course |
| [23:15:47] | mattwj2005: | I need to dump Windows XP :) |
| [23:16:13] | mattwj2005: | I got HD and Analog basic cable with a tv guide! |
| [23:16:18] | simcop2387-tv: | :) |
| [23:16:47] | mattwj2005: | right now watching the Simpsons |
| [23:16:49] | mattwj2005: | :0 |
| [23:16:51] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [23:16:58] | simcop2387-tv: | mythtv was actually one of the killer apps that made me ditch windows |
| [23:17:22] | mattwj2005: | yup |
| [23:17:41] | mikeones: | anyone know how to keep my pvr-350 set to video0 and my kworld 110 set to video1? |
| [23:18:07] | mikeones: | they switch sometimes at boot and break mythtv untill I reassing the cards. |
| [23:18:13] | simcop2387-tv: | mattwj2005, oh i've got almost all of the simpsons episodes, AND i've got a computer that plays them back constantly to the whole house via one of those converter boxes that takes composite/svideo and puts it onto analog cable, we don't have cable so its the only thing providing a signal to every room in the house that has cable |
| [23:18:19] | immolo: | BSoDs were the reason why I killed XP, does that count? |
| [23:18:43] | simcop2387-tv: | mikeones, the easiest way i can think would be to setup some kind of udev rule that loads the module for the pvr-350 first |
| [23:18:51] | mattwj2005: | nice |
| [23:18:58] | mikeones: | thanks |
| [23:19:10] | mattwj2005: | yeah I have a HDHomeRun and a WinTV PVR-150 |
| [23:19:55] | simcop2387-tv: | mattwj2005, yea its really great because i wrote software to do playlists for a radio station that i'm using to do the tv stuff too, i have my own channel that i can schedule everything one (still haven't made it capable of playing back stuff from mythtv yet though, i need to do that) |
| [23:19:56] | Beirdo: | ok, time to go out |
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| [23:20:48] | mattwj2005: | nice simcop |
| [23:20:52] | mattwj2005: | fyi.... |
| [23:21:16] | mattwj2005: | mythfrontend doesn't like to play HD at resolutions under 640x480 |
| [23:21:18] | mattwj2005: | :) |
| [23:21:32] | simcop2387-tv: | mattwj2005, yea i know :) i planned on doing it through mplayer and mythweb probably |
| [23:21:45] | simcop2387-tv: | and just connect to the database to get what shows are available |
| [23:22:42] | mattwj2005: | sounds cool :) |
| [23:23:20] | edman007: | anyone use mythtv with beryl on a widescreen monitor? |
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| [23:23:39] | edman007: | it stretches the video when i use beryl |
| [23:23:48] | edman007: | is there a fix for this? |
| [23:24:14] | mattwj2005: | yeah my HD looks a little stretched too |
| [23:24:19] | mattwj2005: | W doesn't seem to help |
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| [23:25:09] | simcop2387-tv: | hmm looks like i may have to write new support for mythtv to support this tv... |
| [23:25:15] | mattwj2005: | is there a crop shortcut? |
| [23:25:26] | simcop2387-tv: | theres stuff in the M menu |
| [23:25:50] | mattwj2005: | thanks again sim! |
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| [23:26:29] | simcop2387-tv: | yea it the backend comes out with, Error not an STB |
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| [23:31:04] | mattwj2005: | HD tends to crash when you have 2 frontends running :P |
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| [23:41:38] | niter3: | lirc_mceusb2 module is crashing my system guys. I don't know what to do. This is the proper module for the remote as I was using this on another system. Whenever this module is loaded and I plug the usb receiver in, I get a kernel panic. I'm stumpped with what to do |
| [23:42:35] | niter3: | So I'm shit out of luck |
| [23:42:36] | niter3: | ? |
| [23:42:42] | simcop2387-tv: | well that should do it... lets recompile and test |
| [23:43:18] | niter3: | are you talking to me? |
| [23:43:59] | simcop2387-tv: | no, sorry was mumbling to myself, honestly i'm not sure why that would happen, theres alot of people that use that module, the lirc mailing list is a great place to find out what to do (albiet slow sometimes) |
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| [23:44:59] | simcop2387-tv: | have you tried only loading the module after plugging it in? and if possible could you type up/copy the kernel panic/dmesg after it happens it'd help a bunch to diagnose |
| [23:45:18] | squish102: | SQL Error: Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired [#145] |
| [23:45:27] | squish102: | any ideas what i do with that error? |
| [23:45:32] | niter3: | simcop2387-tv: yes I've tried that.. How am I to copy the kernel panic? |
| [23:45:50] | simcop2387-tv: | theres a script in the contrib directory that will do repair them if needed i forget what its called |
| [23:45:59] | squish102: | thanks |
| [23:46:02] | simcop2387-tv: | niter3, well the best way i've ever figured out is, pen and paper |
| [23:46:20] | simcop2387-tv: | niter3, kernel panics suck |
| [23:46:39] | niter3: | simcop2387-tv: Yah, I'm thinking it's the 845g chipset and the module that don't agree with the deivce |
| [23:46:42] | niter3: | ;) |
| [23:46:46] | niter3: | I only have two USB ports |
| [23:46:51] | niter3: | so.. I think i'm screwed. |
| [23:46:54] | simcop2387-tv: | ah microatx board? |
| [23:47:05] | niter3: | well it was. :) |
| [23:47:11] | niter3: | I had to put it in a bigger case |
| [23:47:18] | niter3: | old computer died |
| [23:47:19] | niter3: | so.. |
| [23:47:36] | niter3: | I switched out the parts because I would have need to reorder slim pvr 150 cards |
| [23:47:41] | simcop2387-tv: | heh, i've heard of people having weird issues with some micro atx boards for no apparant reason, but the lirc list should be able to help if possible |
| [23:47:43] | niter3: | don't have the money for that |
| [23:48:08] | niter3: | ok i'm going to kill this |
| [23:48:17] | hads: | simcop2387-tv: A photo of the screen is a much easier way to copy things like that :) |
| [23:48:19] | simcop2387-tv: | yea my parents went with a nicer full sized case that matches their tv for they're mythbox that i'm working on at the moment |
| [23:48:26] | simcop2387-tv: | hads, good idea! |
| [23:48:39] | ** hads used to do that with BSOD back when he was a Windows admin. ** | |
| [23:48:52] | simcop2387-tv: | well if this works i've got a patch to mythtv to send in! |
| [23:50:02] | mattwj2005: | why can't you just buy a USB hub? |
| [23:50:24] | mattwj2005: | that message was for niter3 |
| [23:50:51] | squish102: | dont see anything in contrib dir to fix mysql :( |
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| [23:53:59] | niter3: | simcop2387-tv: I wonder, could it be a result of a certain kernel I'm using? |
| [23:54:04] | niter3: | maybe if I try a diff kernel? |
| [23:54:25] | squish102: | ahhh 6 minutes to try fix the mysql problem, so I can get the recording to start :( |
| [23:55:34] | niter3: | i'm going to try the latest kernel and see what happens |
| [23:55:37] | niter3: | Maybe I will get lucky |
| [23:55:39] | niter3: | what do you think |
| [23:55:40] | niter3: | :) |
| [23:56:12] | niter3: | ? |
| [23:56:36] | mattwj2005: | speaking of USB.....I bought a drink cooler/heater that runs off of USB...I can't wait :) |
| [23:58:17] | niter3: | :) |
| [23:58:19] | niter3: | good job |
| [23:58:20] | niter3: | ass |
| [23:58:21] | niter3: | :) |
| [23:58:25] | niter3: | At least your USB works! |
| [23:58:41] | mattwj2005: | sorry my friend! |
| [23:58:44] | squish102: | mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p<password> mythconverg does not show any errors |
| [23:58:57] | squish102: | SQL Error: Table './mythconverg/program' is marked as crashed and should be repaired [#145] |
| [23:59:08] | squish102: | but i get that when trying the listing |
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