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Saturday, June 16th, 2007, 00:06 UTC

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a5benwillis:

what is bob and where can I turn it on?

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a5benwillis:

Isnt it a different encoder?

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juski:

tv playback settings

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juski:

bob deinterlacer

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juski:

if you use nvidia svideo or composite tv out, just use nvidia-settings to turn up the flicker filter to 128 instead

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a5benwillis:

k

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a5benwillis:

thanks

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squish102:

can mythvideo play x264 encoded video

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squish102:

the internal viewer, or xine

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mkrufky:

i am sick of mythweb telling me that i have guide data until 2037-09–06 ..... i want to clear out the bogus data, but "SELECT * from program WHERE starttime > '2007-07–01' " doesn't work — it's bad syntax .... how do i format the date? (sorry for slight OT )

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juski:

yes to both IIRC

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a5benwillis:

juski: Should I have deinterlace playback on? I have a plasma tv

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juski:

mkrufky: heheh a problem I sometimes get

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mkrufky:

how do you usually fix it, juski ?

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a5benwillis:

mkrufky: I have that problem as well

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jams:

a5benwillis- yes you need it on

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a5benwillis:

k

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juski:

a5benwillis: if you play interlaced content & output in a progressive video mode then YES you need to deinterlace

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juski:

sheesh how many times has this subject been covered?

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mkrufky:

i think it's either a bug in mythfilldatabase, or it's bogus data from datadirect

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jams:

it looks really really bad otherwise

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juski:

mkrufky: more likely duff data from EIT

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jams:

in fact that very topic was one of my first posts to the users list

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mkrufky:

so then.... any idea how to pass the date (formatted correctly) in mysql CLI ?

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squish102:

so u should have deinterlace playback on when using DVI -> hdmi on plasma tv?

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mkrufky:

<-- having a blonde moment

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jams:

squish102- if the source is interlaced you do

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** juski SHOUTS if you play interlaced content & output in a progressive video mode then YES you need to deinterlace **

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squish102:

how do i know if source is interlaced, i record both analoge and HD

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** jams hands juski a nice calming beer **

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mkrufky:

squish102: if you have bad eyesight, you'll not notice the difference if you dont deinterlace

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squish102:

ok i have bad eyesight

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mkrufky:

but if you;re epileptic, then you should deinterlace

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juski:

mkrufky: select * from program where starttime > "2007-06–27"; works here

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squish102:

mkrufky try " instead of ' ?

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mkrufky:

mysql> select * from program limit 1 where starttime = "2007-07–01";

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mkrufky:

ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'where starttime = "2007-07–01"' at line 1

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Eclipsor:

limits go at the very end?

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mkrufky:

i tried with both single and double quotes

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Aquahallic:

for a soundblaster Audigy SE am I correct that in make.conf I use Alsa_Cards="ca0106" and then emerge alsa

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mkrufky:

oh, oops

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Eclipsor:

I might be wrong, but thats how I've seen them

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a5benwillis:

juski: No flicker setting in my nvidia-settings

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juski:

select * from program where starttime > "2007-06–27" limit 1;

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mkrufky:

there ya go... thanks

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mkrufky:

i TOLD you i was having a blonde moment :-)

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juski:

a5benwillis: which part of "if you use composite of svideo" did you miss?!

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** juski goes postal **

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a5benwillis:

I use svideo -> component

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juski:

no you don't

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a5benwillis:

thanks...

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juski:

it'd be svideo to composite

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juski:

not component

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mkrufky:

lol, and that didnt do any good..... the programs table doesnt have anything past july, yet mythweb still claims i have data thru 2037-09–06

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mkrufky:

mysql> select * from program where starttime = "2007-07–01";

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mkrufky:

Empty set (0.44 sec)

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juski:

mkrufky: you need select * from program where starttime > "2007-06–27" limit 1;

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juski:

greater than >

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mkrufky:

omg, im really stupid today

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mkrufky:

thanks

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juski:

it just takes a junk entry in the table

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juski:

a5benwillis: most if not all TV, HD or no is interlaced. if you've selected deinterlacing during tv playback in mythfrontend's settings, myth will automagically detect progressive content & NOT deinterlace it

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mkrufky:

hooray! all fixed now

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mkrufky:

...and now i'm off to write some new atsc drivers

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juski:

hey my backend doesn't have any hooky guide data, unless I've got some cron job to tidy it up that I forgot about

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mkrufky:

this 2037 junk entry has been there ever since i first set up myth .... and there was only the 1 , so im not going to write any such cron job unless i see this happen again

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mkrufky:

(but thats a good idea, juski)

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juski:

every now & again I was getting junk data because of EIT I use for my dvb radio listings

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juski:

hasn't happened for ages now :) and I've not updated myth either

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mikeones:

is there such a thing as myth2avi?

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mkrufky:

well then.... maybe it was a bug then, and not bad data.... a bug that is fixed now

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juski:

mkrufky: maybe the broadcasters stopped sending junk more like – I've not updated myth & the problem seems to have gone away

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mchou:

what atsc drivers?

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juski:

mikeones: nuvexport

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mchou:

mkrufky: what atsc drivers?

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mkrufky:

atsc is the digital television standard used in usa, mchou

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mikeones:

thanks juski

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mchou:

mkrufky: dude, I asked which atsc driver, not what is atsc :)

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mkrufky:

hehe

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mkrufky:

i have the onair gt, which i havent written a driver for yet

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mchou:

mkrufky: is that from sasem?

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mkrufky:

...and then i already wrote the driver for onair creator, but it's got a nasty bug that i havent tried to fix in months

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mkrufky:

mchou: sasem made the older version of the onair hdtv — i have that one too, and it works, but buggy

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mkrufky:

the hardware is fine, my driver sucks

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mkrufky:

and then i'll work on the new dvico stuff next week or so

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mkrufky:

new dvico stuff didnt hit the states yet — only in korea, but it will get here eventually

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mchou:

mkrufky: the usb one from dvico?

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mkrufky:

FusionHDTV5 USB Gold is already supported (i wrote that one)

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mkrufky:

but they have a new one, ATSC NANO .... i'll start working on that soon

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mkrufky:

also, there is a FusionHDTV Master ..... it should probably work with the USB Gold driver, but i dont know anybody that has one to test

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mikeones:

is there a way to watch nuvexport (avi) files in mythweb? or just pre-encoded avi's in mythweb?

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juski:

you don't watch avi files in mythweb

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mkrufky:

mchou: do you have some other random atsc device that isnt supported yet?

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juski:

mythtv doesn't record avi files

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mchou:

mkrufky: nope.

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mkrufky:

oh, ok

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mchou:

mkrufky: using STB motorola for now

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mkrufky:

cool

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mchou:

might actually get a tuner card/device once the price becomes competitive with STB :)

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mkrufky:

the avermedia avertv a180 is only $80 and it does both QAM and VSB

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mchou:

mkrufky: I'm actually inclined to go HDHomerun or whatever it's called

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mkrufky:

yeah ive heard good things about that one

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mchou:

2 tuners over ip

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mkrufky:

i'll never get one of those — it's too easy.... i need something thats a pita to set up

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mchou:

no need for stinking "driver" :)

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mkrufky:

i know :-)

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mchou:

no driver means it works on any OS :)

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mchou:

not upgrade headaches either

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mkrufky:

yup

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mchou:

no*

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mchou:

I mean OS upgrade headaches

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mkrufky:

and no developer squabbles and no pull requests

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mchou:

exactly

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mkrufky:

lol

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mchou:

on thing that's needed is good cablecard support :)

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mchou:

only*

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mkrufky:

that'll probably never happen

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mchou:

now that FCC has stopped giving cablecard extensions to cableco

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mchou:

FINALLY

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mkrufky:

hauppauge used to make a cablecard QAM pci card

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mkrufky:

but it got discontinued

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mchou:

mkrufky: they were too early on the curve

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mkrufky:

yeah ur prob right

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mchou:

tey werent even on cablelabs radar

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mchou:

they*

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mchou:

anyways, STB is not a bad compromise right now

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mchou:

wait till cablecard firms up a bit

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mkrufky:

i hope it happens

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mkrufky:

but i doubt it will

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mchou:

engadget had a funny article on installing cablecard tuner on windows

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mchou:

at the end of the article the cable tech asked why would someone want a cablecard tuner when they can rent STB for $5/month?

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mchou:

NOBODY had a good answer :)

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juski:

STB with reliable, featureful PVR features? hmmm :-\

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mchou:

juski: there is no need for the PVR part on the STB

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juski:

oh if you want HD there is

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mkrufky:

i just assumed he was using ieee1394

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mchou:

juski: wtf are you talking about?

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juski:

ah but wait – you can't record premium HD outside of a cable DVR anyway usually

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mchou:

juski: not true. that partly what cablecard is for.

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mkrufky:

maybe they'll start making analog capture cards that take 1920x1080i component input

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mchou:

mkrufky: lol

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mkrufky:

.......nah

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juski:

remember the analogue hole? corked

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ubuntuEdgy:

I'm off to bed, juski here's food for thought. http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Simple_Animations/

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: NO NO NO NO NO NO NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO

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juski:

NO!

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mchou:

ahh, found the link: http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/21/installing . . . rt-1-fiasco/

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mchou:

MSFT sent a team over ther for the install, lol

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mchou:

there*

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mchou:

freaking hilarious

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juski:

I'll let you into a little secret. the other day I made myself a sequence of still frames out of a rotating 3d mythtv logo. it sucked – playback of the animation wasn't smooth at all. not worth the effort

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mchou:

the first two paragraphs says it all

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mchou:

"How many people does it take to install a Vista CableCARD-enabled Media Center PC? The answer is six. Or at least it would be six if the installation had actually been successful."

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mkrufky:

wow

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mkrufky:

thats rediculous

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mchou:

mkrufky: trust me, read that article to get a good laugh

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ubuntuEdgy:

are you sure, mines seems fine.

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: absolutely positive

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ubuntuEdgy:

not perfect but, just about acceptable. if you know what i mean

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juski:

flipbook animations SUCK

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juski:

SUCK!

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh...

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ubuntuEdgy:

any way im off.

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a5benwillis:

anybody know what causes this all of a sudden? "Got error 134 from storage engine

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a5benwillis:

"

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juski:

you're totally welcome to use them if you want, but IMHO, discontinuities in any animation look gash

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a5benwillis:

error during EIT scan/store

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mkrufky:

you know, if the pc cablecard vendors made linux binary drivers, i think that would be good enough for me

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mchou:

mkrufky: nah, cabllabs would never approve

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juski:

mkrufky: doesn't the cablecard handle decoding & display too though? what happens to the mythtv UI then?

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mchou:

cablelabs*

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mkrufky:

that makes sense to me to not be open source, it just wouldnt be able to ship with the mainline kernel, thats all ..... they could just do what nvidia does

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mchou:

mkrufky: that probably wont be in the spirit of GPLv3 :)

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mkrufky:

juski: i dont think it handles the mpeg stream decoding ..... only the decryption

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mchou:

of course that's another discussion altogether

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juski:

rock.. hard place.. hmmm

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mkrufky:

true

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mchou:

anyway, cablecard on linux aint gonna be pretty

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juski:

prolly not even legal, i'd postulate

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mkrufky:

is it really that much different from ci / cam ?

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mchou:

mkrufky: I dunno. I doubt it

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juski:

not that much different, but different enough

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juski:

bidirectional by the look of it

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juski:

what I don't get is how cablecard would ever prevent digital piracy if an unencrypted stream is ever recorded/output by the pc itself

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juski:

isn't that the whole point of it? maybe that's why its future isn't looking so hot now

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mchou:

that's not cablecard's function

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mchou:

cablecard is to deter theft of signal

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juski:

that's fair enough

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juski:

I'm all for that

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juski:

so I'm guessing that you have to register your card with the provider, similar to how an engineer would get your STB registered on the cable network

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juski:

each card has a unique, ID, they determine what you can get etc

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Dagmar:

Basically, what it amounts to is that you GET a card from your service provider

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Dagmar:

Like, your cable company would send you a cablecard for their service, and you'd plug it into your TV

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juski:

er.. right

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Dagmar:

The primary function of the card is to decrypt the content you are a legitimate subscriber for

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Dagmar:

So no more of this bullshit like they have now

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Dagmar:

...where they're using 5C to interfere with people trying to use a PVR

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Dagmar:

...and I say "interfere" because you can pay them *extra* money to use "their" PVR box

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Dagmar:

...and their PVR box will record this content just fine

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|Torg|:

do you have a cablecard?

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Dagmar:

It's that they can't easily do cablecard and still try to force the consumer to rely on more of their services that they normally would not be stuck with that is the reason they're dragging their feet on it

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Dagmar:

No, I figure the local comcast francise is so dim they'll roll it out about a year after it's become mandatory

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|Torg|:

more like 1 year afer its obsolete

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Dagmar:

There is, and I quote, "no current planning" involved in rolling them out here

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Dagmar:

...which IMHO is hellishly irresponsible

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|Torg|:

hey they put in 5c so they could still say, "but we dont encrypte local HD channels, see"

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Dagmar:

THe level of change this willk introduce would require beginning planning on it already, but if they sti onm it, they'll be able to whine for a handout because it will be so very expensive to rush it

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|Torg|:

comcast is the entire reason I put in ATSC cards

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juski:

we need a toothful FCC type gizmo over here

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Dagmar:

What they're doing with 5c is lame, but we're kinda stuck with it

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Dagmar:

juski: Hell man. Your folks have fewer channels, but more technologically advanced content than anything we have here with the FCC holding companies at gunpoint to progress

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|Torg|:

I woudlnt be so quick on the more channels are better bandwagon, its more channels of sh1t you dont want to watch

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juski:

the UK has over 300 channels

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juski:

I can tell you how many have stuff worth watching

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juski:

maybe 10

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Eclipsor:

I can think of two in the US

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|Torg|:

hell I cut it down to 4

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Dagmar:

THe annoying bullshit is that I'm pretty sure we *could* crack 5C, and use it legally, but there's not any legal way to crack or use 5C without breaking the law

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juski:

bbc1, bbc2, bbc3, bbc4, c4 .. that's 5

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|Torg|:

I know they crack sat keys, so there probably is a 5c crack too

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juski:

the key changes every 2 secs

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Aquahallic:

evenin' folks

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Dagmar:

Yeah they never come up with anything very interesting

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TSCHAK:

the thing is, currently all the cards that CAN be used as OCURs are only available to OEMs...no homebuilders

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Dagmar:

I cracked sat keys when I was 10

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juski:

whack it by brute force you only get 2s of clear video

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TSCHAK:

it's not like cracking videocipher II :-P

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juski:

and you go to jail if you ever publish how to do it

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|Torg|:

umm juski it dosnt exactly work like that, but ok :)

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Dagmar:

Well, see, unlike a lot of crypto attacks, you don't have a *limited* amount of ciphertext

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juski:

|Torg|: that's the principle – obviously if you knew what you were doing you'd go for the big boss :)

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Dagmar:

It would simply be a matter of time of cracking each chunk, and then cracking the sequence that leads to the keys

[01:09:30]

juski:

nayway it's way OT, and way dodgy for the channel.. and I'm always yelling at people for talking illegal $stuff

[01:09:40]

** Aquahallic just went and purchased a SB Audigy... I have sound but when I fire up Mythtv my log says Mixer unable to find control Master **

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Dagmar:

Yep. I'm annoyed that it's illegal tho

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|Torg|:

cracking 5c shoudlnt be illegal

[01:09:57]

Aquahallic:

and I have no audio control from within mythtv

[01:10:07]

Dagmar:

|Torg|: Ah but it is. DMCA again

[01:10:08]

xris:

|Torg|: there's this little thing called the DMCA that makes it so

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juski:

Aquahallic: that's likely more something for #alsa

[01:10:17]

Aquahallic:

anyone else using an Audigy SE???

[01:10:19]

TSCHAK:

Dagmar, you ARE right though... given the nature of the crypto.. it's like defeating WEP.

[01:10:23]

|Torg|:

Aquahallic what model and chip does it say you have?

[01:10:34]

Dagmar:

Aquahallic: You probably should have looked at the compatiblity list first, but #alsa

[01:10:53]

Dagmar:

See, what'

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|Torg|:

yes xris I know, and you can probably guess what I think of the DCMA doing to my fair use

[01:11:10]

Dagmar:

See, what's a pisser is that 5C is supposed to be a "copy once" flag

[01:11:15]

juski:

xris: evening btw :) you see me mutterring anything in #mythtv about mucking around with an appearance plugin? could becaome a theme chooser/downloader too if I ever get my bit done

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juski:

Dagmar: the blocker is that your PC firewire chip doesn't/can't talk 5C – if it could, maybe myth could obey it

[01:12:03]

xris:

juski: that'd be cool

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Dagmar:

COmpliant equipment can record 5C content, but are required by the contract to erase it if it's copied to something else. Meaning you can record with your 5C-compliant PVR, and maybe even transfer into some kind of Sony-made 5C-compliant jukebox

[01:12:31]

xris:

juski: it'd be really easy to do.. as long as mythtv can get an alternate location to store themes, since "user" wouldn't be able to save to /usr/share/mythtv/

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Dagmar:

but we can simply not make any kind of promises that users wouldn't patch that right out of the code, even if it was coded into Myth

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|Torg|:

just chmod 777 the whole box :P

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Dagmar:

Oooh xris

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juski:

Dagmar: that's between them & the law

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TSCHAK:

see, the even scarier part is knowing that basically, you could build a 5C compliant box by using the chip from a DVHS deck that's gone tits-up

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Dagmar:

Someone found a bug in mythweb the other day you might find interesting

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xris:

oh?

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Dagmar:

juski: But see the problem is that the 5C spec actually requires that it won't be easy for a user to bypass it

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|Torg|:

FEATURE, there are no bugs, it compiles fine :P

[01:13:41]

juski:

xris: I got the 'hello' plugin to work & wrote something to grab settings out the db.. just need to work out how to actually make it *do* stuff

[01:13:58]

juski:

anyway.. time to go be taxi

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xris:

|Torg|: mythweb doesn't compile at all..

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Dagmar:

xris: Yeah, it seems to misbehave a bit and use the wrong language if someone scrapes it with wget (long disclaimer coming)

[01:14:12]

xris:

weird

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Dagmar:

Yes I know there's no sense in using scrapers on mythweb

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|Torg|:

ok xris your right, I was just being facetious tho

[01:14:30]

Dagmar:

THe bug is in that routine you got from the other guy for checking the requesting language, I *think*

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Aquahallic:

Dagmar is the SB Audigy not a compatible card??

[01:14:55]

Aquahallic:

:/

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Dagmar:

wget doesn't specify a language for the response, so that field is coming up null or undef or something weird in PHP I simply don't understand, where every other browser specifies the language the user would prefer

[01:15:35]

Dagmar:

If I could figure it out I'd just be sending you a patch

[01:15:47]

Dagmar:

The end result of the "bug" is that the thing will always use Dutch for the response to wget

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Dagmar:

..which is first to appear in the $Languages hash

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xris:

Dagmar: weird. would have assumed I'd just make the code default to english

[01:16:43]

GreyFoxx:

Looks like my cableco has rearranged their channels :)

[01:16:53]

GreyFoxx:

guess I'll be going through them again in the morning :)

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|Torg|:

Aquahallic http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.ph . . . reative_Labs

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Dagmar:

xris: Well, there's comments in there about a routine you borrowed from someone else, and I think that's where the issue has to be

[01:17:36]

Aquahallic:

yeah.. mine's in there.. and I have audio

[01:17:38]

Dagmar:

I just don't understand the fine details about what he's doing in that chunk

[01:17:54]

Aquahallic:

it's just the volume controls in mythtv..

[01:18:08]

Aquahallic:

I can use alsamixer and set them also

[01:18:19]

Dagmar:

Aquahallic: So do you have an .alsarc that you mauybe shouldn't?

[01:18:32]

Dagmar:

I'd also run alsamixer and make sure it's actually *got* an element named Master

[01:18:40]

Aquahallic:

it doesn't

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Aquahallic:

I already looked

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|Torg|:

then you have to make one

[01:18:50]

Dagmar:

Well, that would explain the error now wouldn't it

[01:18:58]

Aquahallic:

that's why I wonder if there's an alias I have to set somewhere

[01:19:04]

Dagmar:

Or he can just tell MythTV to use PCM to change the volume

[01:19:10]

Aquahallic:

no PCM either

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Dagmar:

Google for "ttable softmaster alsa"

[01:19:40]

Dagmar:

You get to learn how to construct a custom mixer element today

[01:19:47]

Aquahallic:

LOL

[01:19:54]

Aquahallic:

fun fun

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Aquahallic:

;)

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|Torg|:

google is your friend

[01:20:02]

Aquahallic:

thank you..;)

[01:20:14]

Aquahallic:

yeah I just wasn't sure exactly "what" to look for

[01:20:16]

Dagmar:

I had to basically *make* one called SoftMaster" so that I could have rational volume controls, *and* upmixing to run 5.1 speakers

[01:20:30]

Dagmar:

Those three keywords should take you right to somethingt hat tells

[01:20:43]

Dagmar:

You might need to throw in the keywords surround51 and upmix

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|Torg|:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client . . . &spell=1

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Aquahallic:

yeah.. this card has a GAZILLION channels

[01:21:02]

Aquahallic:

lol

[01:21:06]

|Torg|:

that only game aout 154,000 hits :P

[01:21:10]

Dagmar:

It's actually not very hard, but much of the documentation sucks festering monkey cock

[01:21:35]

Dagmar:

I mean it's horrible

[01:21:43]

Dagmar:

Really abysmal

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|Torg|:

it wasnt THAT hard

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Dagmar:

If you are a rocket scientist, you should be able to figure it out from what I didn't finish in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ALSA_upmixing

[01:22:55]

Dagmar:

I suspect I kinda know why no one has good docs for it tho

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Dagmar:

There's just so much crap you have to write to explain every little step between A and B and it's a bit easier to just throw out an example with some explanation

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Dagmar:

Oh and for the record I do not get twisted up about it when people add to or fix the wiki pages I put together

[01:24:58]

Dagmar:

Even if your grammar sucks, someone else can always clean it up for you... just getting the stuff on the page in a logical order is the truly hard part

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Aquahallic:

question... I see something about using Jack for mythtv would this possibly be a solution?

[01:25:34]

Dagmar:

You don't have to go that far

[01:25:40]

Dagmar:

...and you probably don't want to

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Dagmar:

On the wiki URL I pasted, there are working config chunks for upmixing

[01:26:07]

Dagmar:

Basically, you're doing the very same thing

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Aquahallic:

kewl... lemme go check this out..;)

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|Torg|:

Dagmar what are those pcm aliases for, fake surround sound?

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Dagmar:

Pull that up and look at the code block that just below the halfway mark

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Yep

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Dagmar:

It basically demonstrates _reasonably_ simple redirection of audio streams

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|Torg|:

hell I just bind the dsp to the spdif and push it all to my av reciver

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|Torg|:

it does raw pcm for me

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Dagmar:

Well, the problem is that if you light up ALSA in 5.1 mode, it basically is very true to that

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Dagmar:

Meaning, if you play a stereo MP3, you get not a damn thing from center, subwoofer, or rear speakers

[01:28:05]

Dagmar:

...same goes for regular old stereo tv

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|Torg|:

maybe I dont want it to :P

[01:28:18]

Dagmar:

I do

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Dagmar:

I have a 5.1 sysyem

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|Torg|:

I have a 7.1 I still dont upmix anything

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Dagmar:

Your unit does the upmixing for you

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|Torg|:

not *exactly* all it does is copy left to rear left and right to rear right

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Dagmar:

Basically, people buying home theater style PC speakers, most don't upmix

[01:29:18]

Dagmar:

That's all that alsa config fragment odes

[01:29:33]

Dagmar:

It copies fronts to rear, and mixes the two to feed the subwoofer and center

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Dagmar:

You can, if you're a masochist, install LADSPA and even route the subwoofers channel through a low-pass filter in realtime

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|Torg|:

woudlnt that sorta unstereo the left and right int he center tho?

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Dagmar:

...and JACK works about the same way with ALSA, but it's even less straightforward than using the LADSP plusing if you don't find a graphical utility to configure it

[01:30:44]

Dagmar:

The center speaker isn't stero anyway

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|Torg|:

yes I know, but if you mix right and left into it you would in effect get mono out of stereo

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|Torg|:

not exacly a desired effect

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Dagmar:

Not entirely, but it does't distort separation that much

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Esotericisms:

my sound isn't working

[01:32:10]

Esotericisms:

on my new install

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Dagmar:

It's pretty much doing the right thing with a subwoofer if you apply an lowpass filter

[01:32:18]

Esotericisms:

I am using onboard audio, can anyone help?

[01:32:18]

|Torg|:

ill play with them and see, but I suspect ill undo all of it just to go back to my av doing fake sourround

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Dagmar:

Esotericisms: What happens when you run `alsamixer`?

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|Torg|:

the subwoffer addin tho sounds cool

[01:32:49]

Dagmar:

|Torg|: Your external AV probably does a more intelligent job of it

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Aquahallic:

oh boy

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Esotericisms:

Dagmar I see a bunch of level indicators

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Aquahallic:

I'mma have to smoke some dope to get this done

[01:33:32]

** Aquahallic LAUGHS **

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Dagmar:

Esotericisms: Did you bother to unmute any of them?

[01:33:41]

Dagmar:

Aquahallic: I really recommend not. Save it for after

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Esotericisms:

Dagmar, how do I know if they are muted

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Dagmar:

Aquahallic; It's annoyingly nebulous stuff to figure out

[01:33:56]

rustalot:

I want to set up a media centre-type setup for my parents. They don't actually watch much TV {no cable}, but they watch downloaded videos of TV shows that me & my sisters give them. Is there a way to get Mythtv to view seperate .avi files as recorded TV shows? Is Mythtv even what I want?

[01:34:07]

Dagmar:

Esotericisms: Do you see "MM" or "OO" at the bottom of them

[01:34:16]

Esotericisms:

some have OO and others have MM

[01:34:20]

Esotericisms:

which is which?

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Dagmar:

If they're still muted, it's because you aren't reading the installtion instructions which explicitly point this out

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|Torg|:

MM is mute

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Dagmar:

MM is for MUTE

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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|Torg|:

sorry Dagmar

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Esotericisms:

thats what I thought ... no they are all unmuted

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Dagmar:

It's not you I'm sighing at

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Esotericisms:

except for mic

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Aquahallic:

Dagmar lemme ask ya..... From what I can see from that... it's for setting up the upmixing to take a normal 2 ch. signal and utilize all your channels.... am I correct?

[01:35:10]

Dagmar:

Aquahallic: Yep

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Aquahallic:

ok.. the audio itself isn't the problem I have

[01:35:25]

Dagmar:

Aquahallic: Lemme make one quick addition to tat page

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Esotericisms:

Dagmar, so it isn't the easy solution, whats next?

[01:35:31]

Dagmar:

I have the SoftMaster thing working here

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Aquahallic:

I believe THAT'S what I'm lookin' for..;)

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Esotericisms:

my card is HDA Nvidia, Chip Realtek ALC880

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Dagmar:

Esotericisms: Hit up alsaproject.org to find out their troubleshooting procedures and use `speakertest` to check as you go along

[01:36:34]

Dagmar:

Aquahallic: Your problem and my problem are/were related.

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Esotericisms:

thanks

[01:36:40]

Dagmar:

You use the same thing to fix both problems

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Lee0r:

can anyone may confirm that i can use this (http://www.ditech.at/watermark.aspx?pic=FBMCE) remote in mythtv with lirc?

[01:37:05]

Dagmar:

See, the issue that you run into after you upmix is that Master, even when it exists, only controls the volume on the left and right front speakers

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Dagmar:

So you wind up with all the other speakers *ignoring* your volume control

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Ryuken:

can anyone may confirm that i can use this (http://www.ditech.at/watermark.aspx?pic=FBMCE) remote in mythtv with lirc?

[01:37:48]

Dagmar:

The solution, simply put, is to route everything through a *new* mixer device you create

[01:38:05]

Dagmar:

You have no Master control, so you get to MAKE one

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Aquahallic:

YAY ME

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Aquahallic:

lol

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Ryuken:

Dagmar were you talking to me?

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** Aquahallic smaks g'friend for saying.. "I told ya to just get the cheap one" **

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Aquahallic:

Dagmar lemme know when you post that on there so I can go scramble my brains some more....:)

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|Torg|:

Aquahallic I belive I apid a whole $25 for mine

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Aquahallic:

I gave 50 for this audigy

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Aquahallic:

nice card though...;)

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Dagmar:

Aquahallic: Open up http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ALSA_upmixing again

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Aquahallic:

got it

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Aquahallic:

ty

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Aquahallic:

;)

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|Torg|:

what package is speakertest in?

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Dagmar:

It's a normal part of alsa

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Dagmar:

doh. speaker-test

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Dagmar:

Sorry about that

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|Torg|:

cant be I have all of alsa installed (at least all of it I need to work) and I dont have speakertest

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Dagmar:

`speaker-test -c6 -twav` can be very helpful in making sure you have the speakers connected to the right ports

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|Torg|:

cool ok, hellps if I would look a little harder

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Dagmar:

No biggie. It was my mistake in leaving out the hyphen anyway

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Dagmar:

Without -twav it uses a pink noise test

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|Torg|:

mine just puts out staic, it claims its doing timer periods but I cant hear the differnce

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Dagmar:

er -c6 -Dsurround51 might be useful hehe

[01:44:30]

Dagmar:

pink noise == static

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Dagmar:

There are several profiles it has defined by defualt

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Dagmar:

-Dsurround51 is necessary to make anything but the front stereo speakers work

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|Torg|:

ok how do i tell it to use my plug for the dmix?

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Dagmar:

It drove me batty until I found that out

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Dagmar:

Pfft. I buy hardware mixing cards for a reason

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|Torg|:

I used c6 and all I get is left and right, no center, rear or subwoffer

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: -c6 -Dsurround51

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Dagmar:

It will never light up anything but front left and right without being told to use a different output profile

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Dagmar:

This is equivalent to ALSA:surround51 in MythTV's setup menus afaik

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|Torg|:

I sotn use surround51 I use spdif (I called it that)

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|Torg|:

claims spdif is invalid, and supporund makes no sound

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Dagmar:

So you defined a pcm named 'spdif'?

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|Torg|:

yes

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Dagmar:

Hmmm

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|Torg|:

aliased to iec958 only becase I keep forgetting that if I dont look it up :)

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|Torg|:

default is dmix-digital and thats a 2 channel mixed dsp linked to the spdif port

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|Torg|:

im not entirely certain that I can get speaker-test to put put anything more then 2.0

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fysafysa:

not with SPDIF

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|Torg|:

I usually use a vob to test my sorrund sound tho

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Dagmar:

All the dmix stuff is well outside what I know about ALSA

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|Torg|:

hey i stole mine from google so long ago I dont even know where it came from

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|Torg|:

only thing I did was change the hardware values to correspond to my card

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|Torg|:

speaker-test would have to encode DD though I think to get my AV to actually play it

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Dagmar:

Maybe use -Diec958 ?

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Dagmar:

THat's just a guess

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Dagmar:

I'm looking at some stuff in /usr/share/alsa trying to figure it out

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Dagmar:

I or -Ddmix

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|Torg|:

naa same as -Dspdif comes back as mwpararms failed

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Dagmar:

Whatever you named the dmix pcm device

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|Torg|:

err hwparams

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Dagmar:

THat's freaking weird

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|Torg|:

I called it dmail-digital and called that default

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Dagmar:

DO you have this in your /etc/asound.conf or in an ~/.alsarc under a different uid

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|Torg|:

asound.conf

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|Torg|:

no .alsarc ont he box

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Dagmar:

The issue might be that you're not allowdd to replace default

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|Torg|:

as root?

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Dagmar:

LIke, if there's a Master element, you can't go and make a new one

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Dagmar:

ALSA will ignore it

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Dagmar:

You have to make a new thing and route default through it

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fysafysa:

you have to get JACK working to encode AC3 in real-time

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fysafysa:

to be able to use stuff like speaker-test with all speakers

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|Torg|:

it dosnt have to be ac3, plain DD will work

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fysafysa:

well, yeah.

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|Torg|:

mostly this is just to play with it tho, my card works fine :)

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Dagmar:

Huh? iec958 uses ac3?

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fysafysa:

same diff for the most part ;)

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mokkan:

hey, everytime mythtv starts, it has an orange-artifact-like effect on the lower third of the screen

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mokkan:

any ideas why?

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|Torg|:

iec958 is the coax fromt eh card to the AV

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Dagmar:

mokkan: Your video driver is incorrect

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Esotericisms:

Dagmar, i went into system-config-soundcard in kde and I can hear audio, just not from mythtv

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fysafysa:

iec958 just does a raw stream

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fysafysa:

your receiver does the decoding

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Esotericisms:

so I know my audio card is working

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|Torg|:

the AV lights up blue with AC3 DTS and orange for something else I forget

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mokkan:

Dagmar, incorrect for.. xorg?

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Dagmar:

mokkan: yep

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|Torg|:

other then that I have a little DD symbol for whenever I pass fake DD to it

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|Torg|:

there is a wav file I can use that does that, but I dont know how to encode that real fime

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Dagmar:

Esotericisms: SO read the installation documentation on how to set it up correctly

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fysafysa:

AC3 = DD/DDEX/DD Live/TrueHD/etc

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Dagmar:

Wow okay so I will definitely be avoiding getting a sound card like that then

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|Torg|:

so essentially I use a 7.1 vob that just goes thu each speaker to test it with, listen to everything in AC3 on fake 2 channel and leave the rest of it be

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Dagmar:

Havig to cook it over into ac3 format is not my idea of simple

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fysafysa:

http://essej.net/ac3jack/

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|Torg|:

and I thought AC3 was just the wrapper, DD is the encoding

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fysafysa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC3

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fysafysa:

SPDIF can only do PCM as stereo

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mokkan:

Dagmar, well i have an nvidia card and im using official nvidia drivers...

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mokkan:

and if i go to settings->appearence and reload the theme it looks fine

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mokkan:

so its weird

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Dagmar:

mokkan: So who made your binary packages of MythTV?

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fysafysa:

but it doesn't really matter for shows.

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mokkan:

Dagmar, i use gentoo

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

You have fun with that then

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fysafysa:

everything you watch that is surround and *not* with digital stream is usually Dolby encoded anyway, which passes fine with PCM.

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|Torg|:

yes fysafysa I aclay take the PCM and dump it raw to my AV that does the decode for me

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mokkan:

think rebuilding would help

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mokkan:

?

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Dagmar:

Suuure

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Dagmar:

why not

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mokkan:

ha

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Dagmar:

Personally, I go for just using binaries I've tested and know to work

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|Torg|:

and ill assume the wav file I have is actualy DDEX in PCM not an AC3

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|Torg|:

that im not 100% certain of tho

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fysafysa:

most OTA/QAM HD streams/DVD movies in surround have DD/DTS streams anyway

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: That sounds plausible to me

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fysafysa:

Dolby Digital *is* AC3

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Dagmar:

mokkan; Id suggest you back off some of your X omgoptimizations

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|Torg|:

nearly all my ATSC is in AC3 now, even the commericals that are in AC3 but only 2 channel

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|Torg|:

I personnly think its the bcast company trying to screw with my commerical detection

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fysafysa:

they are one and the same

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mokkan:

dagmar, i'm not quite sure what you mean.. i didnt rice my box out

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mokkan:

it's pretty much standard build options

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Dagmar:

...or if you're using an older nVidia card, make sur eyou don't _really_ need the Legacy driver

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fysafysa:

AC3 and DTS are the only two competing standard digital surround formats

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Dagmar:

It sounds like you're having a region of memory be improperly initialized, and it staying mangled, which should not happen

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mokkan:

hmm

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mokkan:

i have an idea

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|Torg|:

ok fysafysa but when I pass AC3 to my recover the nice blue birght as hell annoying led lights up, when I play the wave file it simply togges a DD symbol on the front pannel no blue light

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mokkan:

right now it's using an onboard chip

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mokkan:

but my friend just gave me his 6600

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mokkan:

so i think i'll throw that in there

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|Torg|:

I *think* the orage led means its DTS too

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Dagmar:

6100?

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mokkan:

yes indeedy

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mokkan:

wasnt my idea :(

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fysafysa:

my receiver goes blue with *surround* AC3, correct

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|Torg|:

but I can *definatly* get it to play DD without lighting up the led at all, so there is some sort of DD that isnt AC3

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Dagmar:

Well, it's probably something weird with the nVIdia driver then, specific to the 6100. You might want to make absolutely sure you have the latest version of it

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fysafysa:

if you watch something that is *not* encoded in AC3, it will still go over your SPDIF cable

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fysafysa:

optical/coax as it were

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fysafysa:

but it will only be 2-channel PCM going out

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Dagmar:

Jesus another new nvidia driver

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simcop2387-tv:

whats the simplest way to setup mythtv to reencode a large recording (1080i) down to say half that resolution (960x540), i was thinking a userjob or something

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Dagmar:

100.14.09 now.

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fysafysa:

your receiver may pick up Dolby Pro-Logic encoding on that stream and output surround yet

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|Torg|:

yes thats true, its the only thing connected from the PC in any event anywau (its coax)

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fysafysa:

DD supports mono and stereo also.

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fysafysa:

but that doesn't make it *not* AC3

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fysafysa:

you can have AC3 2.0 channel just fine

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|Torg|:

I know that from the commericals

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|Torg|:

I always thought the blue light meant it was AC3 tho

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fysafysa:

AC3 is what DD used to be called

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fysafysa:

Dolby Surround AC-3 Digital

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Dagmar:

mokkan: I'd give the new driver a shot first

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|Torg|:

fysafysa I belvie you and I am reading the wikipedia page, what I can tell you however is what the behavious of my hardware is

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fysafysa:

the blue light may not go on if the AC3 stream is only 2 channel

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fysafysa:

but it could still report as Dolby Digital

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Esotericisms:

Dagmar, I have looked at the audio section and the audio system in control center on fedora is disabled

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fysafysa:

the 'advantage' here is that even though the stream is only 2 channel, it's still likely compressed

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Dagmar:

Esotericisms: Try #alsa

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Dagmar:

I don't troubleshoot ALSA problems ever.

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Dagmar:

I buy SBLive cards so I don't have to

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fysafysa:

so it takes less bandwidth than a 2 channel PCM stream

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fysafysa:

there are a few cards that have 'fake' analog surround outputs that are internally compressed to AC3 (DD Live) on-the-fly

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fysafysa:

this is nice for gaming, but not good for movies

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|Torg|:

ok this is what I know, if I tune to an ATSC station bcasing the stream in HD the little blue light stays on all though the show and commerical, if I tune when its SD it never comes on and in

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fysafysa:

(nice because I can run a 50 foot HDMI cable and 50 foot optical audio cable to my projector from my office, to play games in the theater room in surround)

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|Torg|:

if I play mp3s it does not come on

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|Torg|:

if I play one specifc wav file the DD symbol shows up

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|Torg|:

and other then that it never comes on for 2 channel

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fysafysa:

it's a .wav?

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|Torg|:

thats what I know for a fact my AV recover does

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fysafysa:

I believe you :)

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|Torg|:

yes I have one .wav file that will put out 4 channels, and one vob that will put out 7.1

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm interesting. IF a slave backend is offline when you navigate over a recording on it in the WAtch recording screen, then you navigate back to it after starting the slave, the frontend starts the preview playing, but wont let you play the recording normally because "that file isnt found"

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|Torg|:

well I ahve many mp3, wav and vob files, I meant for testing

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Aquahallic:

Dagmar you still around???

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fysafysa:

interesting

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fysafysa:

Dolby Digital in WAV is 44khz instead of 48

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Esotericisms:

my audio output device is /dev/dsp, but when I do a speaker-test on that device it isn't the right one, but my only other option is /dev/adsp which isn't the correct one either

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx -> PM

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fysafysa:

http://www.kellyindustries.com/diy_5_1.html

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fysafysa:

here's a page documenting conversion from ".ac3" DD to ".wav" DD

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Esotericisms:

can anyone help with the audio issue?

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Aquahallic:

Dagmar when you're back can I get you to throw your asound.conf file up on a pastebin??... I just want to do some comparisons....

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Esotericisms:

Dagmar, my sound works just not with mythtv, I just verified with the alsa guys

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, you here?

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Aquahallic:

HAH! I GOT IT!

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Aquahallic:

thank you Dagmar ;)

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mike3_:

Where in Gentoo can you set vbi_buffers=16 pcm_buffers=16 dec_osd_buffers=2

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mike3_:

??

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|Torg|:

you mean in ivtv?

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Brian2:

Damn. I don't know what it is. TV Time works, MythTV doesn't.

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Brian2:

Video works, but no sound in Mythtv

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mikeones:

is nuvexport in the svn trunk now?

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jams:

mikeones- yes mythtv-extras

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** Denidil is having a REALLY weird SDtv playback bug **

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Denidil:

seemingly randomly playback like gets out of sync with video and audio and basically starts fastforwarding

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mikeones:

thanks jams

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Denidil:

and i see a lot of VideoOutputXv Error: Child (a letter) was already marked as available.

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Denidil:

somtimes the letter is F, G, B, H

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mchou:

are there any other linux media players other than mythtv that can play videos at a faster speed with sound?

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clever[rev]:

Denidil: i have a problem with my sdtv

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clever[rev]:

Denidil: my dad keeps thinking im ff'ing whem it happens

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clever[rev]:

Denidil: i beleive the problem i have is the frame grabber didnt have enough cpu power when it recorded causing the file to get corupt

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Anduin:

mchou: There was a thread on the -users ml not too long ago (only remember it was there not the result, though I believe a new version of "something" supported it)

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Anduin:

mchou: Something is mentioned in "OT? Timestretch playback of radio recordings" about xine with some mention of steps.

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mchou:

Anduin: ok, cool

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mchou:

thx

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mchou:

hmm, seems xine needs some sort of "stregth" filter. Not clear if it works for videos (sound is mentioned)

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mchou:

stretch*

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Denidil:

clever[rev]: are you using XvMC.. i think i _may_ have found the problem.... turn off XvMCusestextures

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mchou:

damn. what a PITA

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clever[rev]:

my problem seems to be embeded into the recordings once it happens

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Denidil:

not for me

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clever[rev]:

i can rewind and it will happen the same way at that point in the video

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Denidil:

doesn't seem that way for me

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mchou:

this timstrech feature should be incorporated by all media players :)

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Denidil:

all my SD encoders are ivtv

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Eclipsor:

timestretch?

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mchou:

timestretch

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clever[rev]:

my prob i think is caused durring the recording of the video

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clever[rev]:

framegreabber

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clever[rev]:

ugly thing:P

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Denidil:

mine was playbback

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shnastybiznastic:

alright, I'm going to ask a weird question, but I have been combing the lists and wikis, and I want to get this straight in my head

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mchou:

I can covert to divx but then I'd lose timestretch. sigh

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Denidil:

anyway.. think i fixed it

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mchou:

convert*

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Denidil:

while (WAF < INT_MAX) WAF++;

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

s/AF//g

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mchou:

Denidil: that would be correct code :)

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shnastybiznastic:

if my provider is offering "Digital Cable", and I want to get it with myth, do I need a card that can decode QAM. (eg. HD3000)?

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Denidil:

not for you

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** Denidil is married **

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: no :)

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shnastybiznastic:

elucidate me

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Denidil:

shnastybiznastic: you need one of their freaking STBs

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Denidil:

shnastybiznastic: their digital cable is QAM.. but it's encrypted

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: with firewire out enabled

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Denidil:

mchou: only for HD

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Denidil:

you can slave STBs via the old component cables

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mchou:

mchou: no, not necessarily

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clever[rev]:

i have 'rogers digital cable' going thru one of there cable boxes which then goes into my pc thru composite video

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Denidil:

i did for a while

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clever[rev]:

half the lower channels are analog

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Denidil:

yeah you can tune them directly

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mchou:

Denidil: firewire fults out even the SD channels :)

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shnastybiznastic:

I have no intention of getting the HD channels, do I still need to do it through the STB?

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mchou:

puts*

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clever[rev]:

but my tuner doesnt work without special modprobing

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Denidil:

when i had digital cable i had one tuner slaving the STB via component + IR Blaster, and a PVR-500 getting lower channels

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: no

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clever[rev]:

so i just let the external box and lirc do all the tuning

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Denidil:

clever[rev]: ?

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: but trust me, get a stb :)

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Denidil:

shnastybiznastic: yes

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Denidil:

mchou: YES

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Denidil:

without the STB you aren't getting "digital cable"

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Denidil:

without the STB you cannot tune into any of the stations above expanded basic

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Eclipsor:

say I have 2 tuners, are the tuners set to a certain recording? or is it just whatever one is free when the recording starts

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clever[rev]:

i have to tell my bttv module which tuner i have on the card manualy

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Denidil:

ie for me thats 2–77 w/o STB

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Denidil:

clever[rev]: um... modprobe.conf

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clever[rev]:

and i forget which one is right so i just ignore it

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clever[rev]:

id probly have to fix btaudio and hook up the loopback line too to use the internal tuner

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: this is not to say you cant use a card that decodes QAM

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shnastybiznastic:

ah, so anything in real channel space you can gert even if you have the digital service, but to actually get the digital bits you need the STB

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Denidil:

ie for my ivtv – options ivtv tuner=50,57,57

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: no

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clever[rev]:

Denidil: i have a video highway extreme card

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: you can also use a QAM capable card

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Denidil:

no you cannot

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TSCHAK:

wow, mythtvOSD is NEATO

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Denidil:

where do you live mchou

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mchou:

CA

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Denidil:

are they providing their digital cable QAM channels unencrypted?

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shnastybiznastic:

I'm in NC. Charter Communications is my provider

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Denidil:

because NO digital cable company in the US that i've ever heard of does

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mchou:

sure you can. you ust dont get the "premium" HD channels

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mchou:

Denidil: bullshit

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Denidil:

we're. not. talking. about. hd

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Denidil:

we're talking digital cable

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TSCHAK:

I think i've found something to hack on, try to get OSD feedback for things initiated in the background (DVD imports, MythArchive events, Recording notifications...)

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clever[rev]:

there is a raw digital data output on my box which could acording to a website go thru a converter and into a hdtv

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Denidil:

not HD

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mchou:

Denidil: just go ask xris

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clever[rev]:

but all the other outputs on my box are sd

[03:54:54]

Denidil:

it's CableLABs craptastic encrypted

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mchou:

Denidil: bullshit

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Denidil:

mediacom doesn't broadcast it's QAM unecrypted except for three stations

[03:55:15]

Denidil:

one of them being GolTV :D

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mchou:

Denidil: there are plenty of franchises that havent turned on encryption in US

[03:55:30]

Denidil:

(not counting QAM repeats of the local ATSC stations)

[03:55:44]

shnastybiznastic:

I may start hanging out here even if the myth box doesn't work out, it';s just like ##slackware used to be :)

[03:55:46]

Denidil:

all the other digital channels on mediacom are encrypted with CableLabs crap

[03:55:55]

Denidil:

i'm fairly certain charter cable is probably doing that too

[03:56:04]

mchou:

Denidil: so? that doesnt mean rest of US is

[03:56:06]

Denidil:

i'm sure shnastybiznastic should go search on the net and find out

[03:56:11]

Denidil:

my answer is GAURANTEED to work

[03:56:24]

Denidil:

yours only works if he manages to somehow find a cable company which isn't a total bastard

[03:56:35]

mchou:

Denidil: bullshit

[03:56:40]

Denidil:

dude

[03:56:44]

Denidil:

i have a QAM tuner

[03:56:48]

mchou:

Denidil: barstard has nothing to do with it

[03:56:53]

Denidil:

you want to come to my house plug it into digital cable and scan

[03:57:12]

Denidil:

you'll see all kinds of QAM channels... that get skipped because they're encrypted

[03:57:15]

mchou:

Denidil: it has to do with local franchises investing in the equipment to encrypt

[03:57:30]

Denidil:

like i said

[03:57:34]

mchou:

not all franchises are $$$

[03:57:35]

Denidil:

my answer is gauranteed to work

[03:57:40]

Denidil:

yours only works if he gets lucky

[03:57:55]

shnastybiznastic:

The great thing about this is that I have an answer: I don't know enough yet, and need to go learn.

[03:57:58]

Denidil:

and it is indeed luck – because you are the first person i've ever talked to that can get digital cable unencrypted

[03:58:12]

mchou:

Denidil: you havent been around

[03:58:23]

mchou:

Denidil: so of course you'd say that

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mokkan:

my VFD stays on when my computer turns off.. how do i turn it off?

[03:58:32]

Denidil:

everyone else i've talked to/read postings from/etc which is a HECK of a lot of people (you read the users mailing list much?) have to have their STDs

[03:58:46]

mchou:

Denidil: bullshit

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clever[rev]:

if you had a card/firewire for qam recording the unencrypted channels and something else for the rest you could record 2 at once easily

[03:58:51]

Denidil:

mchou just STFU

[03:58:54]

Denidil:

you're acting like an arrogant ass

[03:59:11]

Denidil:

just because you are lucky and your cable company hasn't bothered to encrypt their QAM doesn't mean it's very common of an occurance

[03:59:33]

Denidil:

infact only a totally naive fool who doesn't pay the SLIGHTEST bit of attention to how the cable cartel treats consumers in this country would think as you do

[03:59:36]

mchou:

Denidil: virtually everyone on this channel living in Seattle (I can think of 3 regulars that hang out here) can prove you wrong

[03:59:39]

Denidil:

so why don't you do us all a favor and SHUT THE FUCK UP

[03:59:43]

** Denidil adds mchou to ignore **

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clever[rev]:

lol

[04:00:15]

Denidil:

anecdotes do not prove a rule

[04:00:24]

Denidil:

anyway.. i'm going to go spend time with my wife

[04:00:57]

Denidil:

atleast when she starts acting in an exasperating manner it normally ends up in a defusing of the situation which ends in sex

[04:01:44]

clever[rev]:

lol

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mchou:

Denidil: so you're saying you are an agumentative biatch :)

[04:02:36]

mchou:

argumentative*

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** shnastybiznastic goes off to ask what goes well with blackened human fetus in #republican **

[04:02:43]

mokkan:

you guys should calm down

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clever[rev]:

shnastybiznastic: lol

[04:03:39]

shnastybiznastic:

I'm still a little impressed at the fact that my first time here I got two dudes wantin to help me as opposed to having to lol about for hours

[04:03:39]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: why in #republican? that's hardly wxciting for them in that channel

[04:03:53]

mchou:

exciting*

[04:04:01]

mchou:

:)

[04:04:12]

shnastybiznastic:

but it would perhaps draw as much ire.

[04:04:24]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: you include the placenta too? :)

[04:04:43]

shnastybiznastic:

Well, every disk needs sauce

[04:04:48]

shnastybiznastic:

*dish

[04:05:05]

mchou:

placenta aint sauce. it's protein

[04:05:25]

shnastybiznastic:

I got a protein sauce for ya'

[04:05:26]

mchou:

usually used to make soup

[04:05:57]

shnastybiznastic:

so the rundown is: encryption varies by locale.

[04:06:08]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: bingo!

[04:06:22]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: that is indeedy the orrect answer

[04:06:27]

mchou:

correct*

[04:07:08]

shnastybiznastic:

And if my provider encrypts content, then I need their STB (controlled through serial of some sort) to deal with it.

[04:07:27]

shnastybiznastic:

but if not, then any ol' QAM decoder should work

[04:07:43]

mchou:

and not only that, all the "local" HD channels (via cable) by law must not be encrypted

[04:08:27]

mchou:

like ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and whatnot

[04:08:49]

shnastybiznastic:

Is that state or federal? I seem to remember that falling under the juristiction of the states

[04:09:17]

mchou:

if you get a QAM card and want HBO, you are at the mercy of local encryption

[04:09:17]

Tanthrix:

FCC. So federal.

[04:09:19]

shnastybiznastic:

not surprising

[04:09:40]

shnastybiznastic:

but the answer is the same even if I don't want HD channels.

[04:10:01]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: no, it's not necessarily the same

[04:10:16]

shnastybiznastic:

can you expound on that?

[04:10:18]

mchou:

you can always use an analog capture card

[04:10:20]

Tanthrix:

It is one of the unfortunate downsides to the switch to digital.

[04:10:47]

Tanthrix:

In a few years analog won't work anymore, so we'll really be at the mercy of the cable companies

[04:10:57]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: but still no HBO :)

[04:11:21]

Tanthrix:

I'm lucky right now – I get everything over firewire including my HD channels, with the odd exception of NBC and PBS

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mchou:

Tanthrix: huh?? That makes no sense

[04:11:46]

Tanthrix:

(Which are both in the clear for QAM, so they aren't encrypted, just not flagged to be output over the firewire)

[04:12:11]

mchou:

Tanthrix: complain to fcc

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shnastybiznastic:

so here's a situation: I have a plan that gives me the standard analog channels, and some modicum of digital content

[04:12:30]

mchou:

no 5C on locals either per FCC

[04:13:36]

shnastybiznastic:

and here's how I think it would work (am I right?): I have an analog capture card (pvr-350, for example), so I get the analog channels, but not the digital stuff.

[04:13:57]

Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: That is correct.

[04:14:07]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: you need to be more discriptive. what HD channels you get?

[04:14:17]

mchou:

descriptive*

[04:14:35]

shnastybiznastic:

well, nothing in HD, just stuff listed as "Digital"

[04:14:44]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: like what?

[04:14:49]

shnastybiznastic:

as far as I know all that stuff is still old-def

[04:15:07]

shnastybiznastic:

I dunno, my carrier has MTV2 as a digital channel

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: I mean what constitutes "digital?"

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Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: There are essentially 3 ways to get stuff over cable – analog (via a tuner card as you mentioned,) and digital either through QAM (which requires a tuner card) or firewire output (which requires a set top box)

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mchou:

weird

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shnastybiznastic:

that's a part of my question

[04:15:32]

mchou:

you probably have ADS in your area

[04:15:44]

mchou:

google ADS

[04:15:48]

shnastybiznastic:

not likely, this is the USA, not Africa

[04:16:08]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: dude, it's ADS, not AIDS

[04:16:15]

hads:

This is the USA? Tis is the Internet.

[04:16:16]

Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: Digital != HD – digital can be anything. So for my setup I recieve channels 0–70 in analog and also 0–700+ (should I subscribe) digitally

[04:16:21]

shnastybiznastic:

yeah, that was probably in bad taste\

[04:16:41]

hads:

USA != world

[04:16:46]

mchou:

lol

[04:16:55]

shnastybiznastic:

pfft, you obviously don't live there!

[04:16:59]

mchou:

Bush thinks so, therefore it must be so

[04:17:01]

shnastybiznastic:

;)

[04:17:02]

Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: Same goes for local channels – each network gets allocated a certain amount of bandwidth, and some choose to run a few SD digital channels instead of 1 HD channel

[04:17:09]

mchou:

hads: ^^

[04:17:11]

hads:

shnastybiznastic: Thankfully :)

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Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: Like PBS here has 1 HD digital channel, as well as 3 SD digital channels

[04:17:43]

shnastybiznastic:

ah

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Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: And unfortunately a lack of encryption does not mean in the clear. While I can get all of my digitial channels (minus NBC and PBS) over firewire, I only get 2–3 plus the standard local ones with my QAM tuner

[04:19:07]

mchou:

Tanthrix: huh???

[04:19:22]

mchou:

Tanthrix: wtf is this??

[04:19:44]

mchou:

Tanthrix: bring in the FCC man

[04:19:46]

shnastybiznastic:

I hate to ask, but to expidite my googling (and wikiing), what does ADS stand for?

[04:20:21]

mchou:

Tanthrix: I'm much more inclined to believe that's bad HW

[04:20:22]

Tanthrix:

mchou: There is nothing that forces cable companies to provide digital channels in the clear over QAM. Only local channels.

[04:21:15]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Well, you can believe anything you like, but that doesn't change the fact that neither my QAM TV or my QAM tuner card can get anything but the locals plus a few other cable channels. xris is in the same boat. (He can get them over firewire, but not QAM)

[04:21:19]

mchou:

Tanthrix: did I misread something? I thought you impilied not all locals are clear for you

[04:21:42]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Yah, read up "plus the standard local ones"

[04:21:47]

shnastybiznastic:

no, I thought he said he only gets a few in addition to the locals

[04:22:10]

mchou:

Tanthrix: so which interpretation is correct?

[04:22:31]

mchou:

Tanthrix: shnastybiznastic or mine?

[04:22:40]

Tanthrix:

I get all the OTA stuff over QAM, as well as a few crappy digital channels like the home shopping network, but not the rest of my regular digital cable channels, despite the fact I can get them over firewire

[04:22:48]

shnastybiznastic:

Probably both of us, (and rtherefore all of us)

[04:23:01]

mchou:

Tanthrix: ok, that makes perfect sense to me

[04:23:40]

mchou:

I didnt even know HSN went digital :)

[04:24:03]

mchou:

I get INHD and DiscoveryHD in the clear

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Tanthrix:

mchou: HSN isn't a local network, they're provided over cable. So they are either analog or digital based on what system you're on

[04:24:21]

mchou:

even though I'm not subscribed

[04:24:28]

Tanthrix:

Spiffy.

[04:25:07]

mchou:

Tanthrix: is HSN wide screen for you? :)

[04:25:19]

Tanthrix:

No.

[04:26:19]

mchou:

That's too bad :)

[04:26:35]

Tanthrix:

But like I said, digital != HD, or widescreen. I get all of my cable channels (most of which are standard definition) provided digitally. My cable box doesn't even have an analog tuner. And at the same time, the 0–70 channels are also broadcasted over analog, which will be going away soon-ish

[04:27:01]

mchou:

Tanthrix: dude, that's because there is ADS in your area

[04:27:15]

Tanthrix:

And?

[04:27:19]

Tanthrix:

Obviously.

[04:27:24]

mchou:

Tanthrix: what and?

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shnastybiznastic:

I don't think we have ADS... it refers to getting info from a dish

[04:27:37]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: nope

[04:28:27]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulcast

[04:29:09]

mchou:

search for ADS on that page

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Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: Yah, ADS just means you get the legacy analog channels and the digital channels at the same time.

[04:30:53]

mchou:

Tanthrix: no, that's not what it means at all

[04:31:21]

mchou:

it means evem analog is broadcast mpeg is what it means

[04:31:28]

mchou:

even*

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Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: In this area you don't get digital cable with a cable box unless you sign up for any custom channels above 70

[04:32:04]

mchou:

even non-ADS areas get analog and digital channels at the same time

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shnastybiznastic:

that's exactly what we have here. We don't get cable boxes unless we go above 70

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Tanthrix:

mchou: What I meant by that is that with ADS you get all your analog channels provided digitally as well, which IS what ADS is.

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mchou:

Tanthrix: that's not what you said earlier

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shnastybiznastic:

It seems that there are multiple meanings for that particular acronym within the context of cable

[04:34:27]

Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: And from what I understand, that will cease along with analog OTA, so at some point in time you'll be getting a box. Which is rather unfortunate in some ways – they are almost always slow and buggy

[04:35:10]

shnastybiznastic:

I have noticed some issues with my neighbor's cable box outrput, yeah

[04:35:18]

mchou:

lol

[04:35:24]

mchou:

stealing cable?

[04:35:40]

shnastybiznastic:

no, we watch VHuno over there

[04:35:41]

Tanthrix:

I just hope the networks and companies get their acts together – too much overcompression, bad sources, a/v sync issues, etc..

[04:36:32]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: what's that? The espagnol version of VH1?

[04:36:33]

Tanthrix:

PBS in these parts looks like it's been blend deinterlaced from an original MPEG2 source, then re-encoded as 1080i, so it looks awful.

[04:36:48]

shnastybiznastic:

mchou: yeah, it's very entertaning at times

[04:36:51]

mchou:

PBS looks great here

[04:37:06]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: lol

[04:37:23]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: do they have cute hispanic chix?

[04:37:28]

Tanthrix:

I've been meaning to see if I could get in touch with one of the techs at the local branch to complain, but I haven't gotten around it.

[04:37:33]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: like teh mexican soaps?

[04:37:40]

mchou:

the*

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Tanthrix:

It's also possible that it's comcast doing the re-encoding. Will have to hook up an antenna to compare.

[04:38:10]

mchou:

Tanthrix: I suspect comcast doing encoding

[04:38:57]

mchou:

damn, I'm glad the heat wave is over for now

[04:39:23]

mchou:

this global warming shit sucks

[04:40:10]

mchou:

2 heat record years in a row

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mchou:

some Damn lake in FL dried out and alled the plants burned in it

[04:40:55]

mchou:

all*

[04:42:02]

mchou:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3226097 . . . RSSFeeds0312

[04:42:19]

wastrel:

yup

[04:43:02]

mchou:

that's all fire and brimstone stuff now

[04:43:40]

mchou:

not to mention hurrican seasons will once be upon us soon

[04:43:59]

mchou:

somebody better build noah's ark for New Orleans

[04:44:09]

wastrel:

a hurricaine would seem to be the cure for drought

[04:44:20]

mchou:

nope, it wont

[04:44:31]

mchou:

one word: runoff

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mchou:

no plants to absorb moisture

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mchou:

that dried lake bed wont come back even if it gets flooded now

[04:45:58]

mchou:

all the water will just run off cause the soil is harder than concrete

[04:47:28]

mchou:

we can watch all this excitement in HD!

[04:48:03]

shnastybiznastic:

mchou: actually, one of the reasons I want to know about digital cable is so I can record the telemundo-style soaps. They are on when I am asleep (I work nights)

[04:48:16]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: haha!!

[04:48:33]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: you speak spanish fluently?

[04:49:40]

shnastybiznastic:

not hardly. But I like to watch the telenovellas because I can almost feel the language centers of my brain bulking up

[04:49:47]

wastrel:

i put together my mythtv hardware tonight... except for the video card, still waiting for that

[04:50:12]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: bah. unless your "brain" is somewhere else :)

[04:50:30]

mchou:

wastrel: huh?? what good is that?

[04:50:44]

shnastybiznastic:

heh

[04:50:49]

mchou:

wastrel: HW aint the problem for myth

[04:51:05]

wastrel:

the video card didn't come in yet

[04:51:27]

mchou:

wastrel: setting up the SW is the hard part

[04:51:44]

mchou:

wastrel: scavenge any old vid card for now

[04:51:55]

mchou:

even an old pci one

[04:52:06]

mchou:

set up the SW first :)

[04:52:10]

wastrel:

i work with software every day, i never mess with hardware

[04:52:19]

wastrel:

so meh

[04:52:33]

wastrel:

i don't understand the sata power connector for example

[04:52:36]

mchou:

wastrel: dude, trust me on this one. SW will take you days......

[04:52:40]

wastrel:

nah

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mchou:

HW takes at most 1 hr

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wastrel:

it took me several hours

[04:54:23]

wastrel:

had to clean out the case, remove the existing hw, install new hw, figure out cables, find screws, find cables

[04:54:24]

wastrel:

etc

[04:54:35]

mchou:

bah

[04:54:37]

wastrel:

still don't konw if the sata drive will work

[04:54:57]

mchou:

I thought you have sata drive?

[04:55:10]

wastrel:

i have new sata drive

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wastrel:

never used

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mchou:

you mean will work for booting?

[04:56:01]

mchou:

there is a simple way to find out.....

[04:56:07]

wastrel:

will work at all

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wastrel:

i could boot the machine? no video card

[04:56:21]

mchou:

use a livecd and see if the SATA drive gets recognized

[04:56:43]

mchou:

wastrel: sure, machine will boot w/o vid card

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mchou:

it's called headless

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shnastybiznastic:

so: I will need a QAM capable capture card if I want to get anything called digital cable. I can use a regular-ol' analog capture card for stuff like 0–70 though.

[04:58:04]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: dude, we just went thru this with ya

[04:58:17]

mchou:

shnastybiznastic: and you still have it wrong

[04:59:28]

mchou:

damn, I feel the need for speed

[04:59:39]

mchou:

fell like going out to ride my bike

[04:59:45]

mchou:

feel*

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shnastybiznastic:

sorry, this is all new, and I'm not finding the Wiki as informative as I had hoped.

[05:00:37]

mchou:

just remember this: STB rental

[05:00:53]

mchou:

set you $5/mo

[05:01:00]

mchou:

and make sure firewire works

[05:01:17]

mchou:

no need to mess with lirc and whatnot

[05:01:55]

shnastybiznastic:

Okay, this was something that I could find lots of info on.

[05:02:30]

mchou:

QAM cards are relatively useless anyways, and may be obsoleted by CableCARD.

[05:02:49]

mchou:

not exactly the wisest investment atm

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shnastybiznastic:

Ah.

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mchou:

of course some ppl think cableCARD may never come to pass

[05:03:56]

mchou:

but that's even more reason to rent a STB

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wastrel:

meh ok

[05:04:28]

wastrel:

i need to buy a molex to sata power adapter

[05:04:49]

mchou:

wastrel: bah

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shnastybiznastic:

So the STB gets the cable input, and the output of it (the STB) goes to the myth machine. The myth machine has a firewire (or other serial) interface connected to the STB that asks it (the STB) to change the channel.

[05:05:07]

shnastybiznastic:

close? or not even?

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: you got it

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mchou:

all thru firewire magic

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awesome

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mchou:

wastrel: by the way, that's generally included with the mobo

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mchou:

wastrel: which mobo and proc did you get?

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wastrel:

hand-me-down

[05:09:13]

mchou:

what proc?

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wastrel:

i dunno what proc yet i didn't want to take off the heatsink

[05:09:19]

wastrel:

it's AMD something

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mchou:

ok

[05:09:37]

mchou:

probably an old tbird

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mchou:

those are nasty loud

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mchou:

have a big ass honking heatsink

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mchou:

nas-T

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mchou:

sounds like an airport

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mchou:

wastrel: you live in NYC?

[05:12:13]

wastrel:

yes

[05:12:30]

mchou:

wastrel: I use to be a bike messenger there :)

[05:12:34]

mchou:

used*

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mchou:

in my high school days

[05:12:50]

mchou:

those were the days

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mchou:

wastrel: where you live? DUMBO?

[05:13:36]

mchou:

wastrel: one of those trendy places?

[05:14:00]

wastrel:

bococa

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shnastybiznastic:

the question is, what sort of input (does it even need to be a capture card at this point?) do I need to put on the myth box?

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mchou:

wastrel: huh?? where is that?

[05:15:12]

wastrel:

it's what they're calling boerum hill, cobble hill & carroll gardens now

[05:15:18]

wastrel:

i live in carroll gardens

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shnastybiznastic:

here's the optimal solution (the question is, will this work?): pvr-X50

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mchou:

wastrel: cool

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mchou:

wastrel: you work in Manhattan?

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wastrel:

tribeca

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mchou:

wastrel: nice. You artsy type?

[05:19:09]

wastrel:

no

[05:19:17]

mchou:

lol

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mchou:

dont tell me. waiter? :)

[05:19:59]

shnastybiznastic:

I believe he said he works with software earlier. As much as I like to fight it, that sort of precludes artsy.

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: bah

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wastrel:

i have to go to sleep

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mchou:

SW and artsy are not mutually exclusive

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shnastybiznastic:

I haven't found that to be true for my case. <-- B I T T E R

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TSCHAK:

they're not, in fact, to be good at it, you need an artistic streak at the very least.

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shnastybiznastic:

of course, I may be an edge case

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mchou:

TSCHAK: I dunno about that

[05:22:07]

TSCHAK:

mchou, we have our opinions, and I stand firmly by mine.

[05:22:29]

mchou:

there are ome SW guys who don't know which end of the brush to hold :)

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TSCHAK:

;-)

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TSCHAK:

I am one such case, both artist and engineer.

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mchou:

some*

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mchou:

TSCHAK: lets see some of your portfolio

[05:24:32]

TSCHAK:

mchou, I just finished some web work for a contract: http://www.bluecrossma.com/CLUBBLUE/ lots of javascript and graphic work, along with some content management system logic.

[05:25:06]

mchou:

bah, that's no portfolio

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TSCHAK:

right now, I'm currently working on a VHDL image processing core on another contract.

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TSCHAK:

mchou, it's just my most recent finished example.

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TSCHAK:

mchou, I also do Atari 2600 (6502 assembler) coding in my spare time

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mchou:

dude, so far that's mostly engineering. where is the art?

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TSCHAK:

mchou, you've never done any 2600 hacking, have you? ;-)

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mchou:

nope. but assembly language on aything is not "art"

[05:28:46]

mchou:

anything*

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mchou:

even though some ppl think so

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TSCHAK:

yes, it is. do some demo coding, or game design on vintage hardware.

[05:29:23]

shnastybiznastic:

There's an art to that, yeah

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mchou:

no self respecting artist would touch assemby

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mchou:

assembly*

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TSCHAK:

http://www.unit-e.cc/~thom/omd/ <-- some of my latest povray work.

[05:30:26]

TSCHAK:

mchou, i beg to differ.. talk to Ron Hubbard sometime.

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mchou:

there is art in electronics, but it's not art

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TSCHAK:

artists use any medium they can

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TSCHAK:

to create.

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mchou:

Hubbard was a quack

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TSCHAK:

and what about Wendy Carlos?

[05:31:17]

mchou:

wendy carlos didnt use assembly

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TSCHAK:

or... Ryuichi Sakamoto? Karlheinz Stockhausen?

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mchou:

she/he used vaccuum tubes

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TSCHAK:

artists who also possess(sed) engineering skills

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TSCHAK:

.....

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TSCHAK:

I can see I'm talking to an idiot

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TSCHAK:

so i'll stop now.

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mchou:

and to call wendy an "artist" is a stretch at best

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TSCHAK:

okay, matter of opinion.

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mchou:

a performing monkey is not an "artist"

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TSCHAK:

and Delia Derbyshire?

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TSCHAK:

or the other members of the BBC Radiophonic workshop?

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mchou:

wendy hasn't withstood the test of time, where bach has

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TSCHAK:

all of them possessed engineering degrees and skills, and all of them were artists of the highest calibre.

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shnastybiznastic:

Fot the record, we won't know who has stood the test of time till a few huhndred years go by

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: wendy is already a faded memory

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mchou:

shnastybiznastic: that's my point

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TSCHAK:

with me, any tool, is a medium used to create

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TSCHAK:

it doesn't matter

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mchou:

Stockhausen didn't have an enginneering degree afaik

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shnastybiznastic:

I need to do a little wiki diving to back it up, but it seems like there are a few artists we revere now who were nothing but a passing fancy in their times

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TSCHAK:

mchou, no, but he did approach music with engineering technique.

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mchou:

TSCHAK: bullshit. you call serialism an engineering technique?

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shnastybiznastic:

how about a non-musical example: xscreen

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TSCHAK:

mchou, one of many.

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mchou:

you migh as well call him a mathematician then cause he used dice to write music

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mchou:

might*

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TSCHAK:

mchou, and I do.

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

Stockhausen is no mathematician

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TSCHAK:

mchou, and you are mired in your own narrow minded context.

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TSCHAK:

mchou, people like you SERIOUSLY make me sick.

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mchou:

TSCHAK: good. Stockhausen is no mathematician

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mchou:

gag on that

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TSCHAK:

mchou, you are nothing more than a critic, not contributing to the overall output of society in any meaningful way.

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shnastybiznastic:

I don't think you need to be an individual accredited in a certain field to be able to take some of the concepts of that field and apply it to art.

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TSCHAK:

mchou, and for that, I truly feel sorry for you.

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mchou:

in fact he is not even very interesting as a composer

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TSCHAK:

mchou, because you are incapable of truly creative thought.

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mchou:

lol

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TSCHAK:

mchou, because you limit yourself in every way possible.

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mchou:

yeah, define "creative" for me

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mchou:

your definition of creative seems to be "dabbler"

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TSCHAK:

mchou, to create.. to make. all other definitions are simply extrapolations of that.

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mchou:

TSCHAK: so did STockhause "create" a new branch of mathematics?

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mchou:

QED

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TSCHAK:

I am someone who has defined his life by learning how to learn, and using that knowledge to create what my imagination comes up with.

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mchou:

Stockhausen*

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TSCHAK:

mchou, possibly, we might look back on his work and derive something from it. Who knows at this stage?

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mchou:

TSCHAK: stop deluding yourself

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TSCHAK:

mchou, what happened in your life to become such a negative force?

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shnastybiznastic:

This is beyond pedantic

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shnastybiznastic:

Literally. It is now personal. The true sign of a communication breakdown.

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mchou:

TSCHAK: you might as well call those guys in "Intelligent design" movement "scientists"

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TSCHAK:

whoa whoa whoa

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mchou:

that's your idea of "creativity"

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** TSCHAK stops this conversation, the point has been lost. **

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mchou:

TSCHAK: that's the degree of delusion I'm talking about

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TSCHAK:

...

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mchou:

just beause I use the rear view mirror sometimes while I drive doent make me a physicist

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mchou:

doesnt*

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

especially at night since I make use of the Bragg angle in the rear view mirror

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mchou:

lol

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mokkan:

what's the best bootsplash theme?

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hads:

Anyone having issues crossing program boundries while watching livetv? I just updated my checkout this afternoon and the problem appeared.

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shnastybiznastic:

Okay. If I had a cable box, and wanted to use a hauppage card, I could use an irblaster to change the channels on the cable box, which has it's output routed to the hauppage card, whose remote controls the actual mythtv interface

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shnastybiznastic:

question: how then could I record and watch television at the same time?

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Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: You wouldn't, unfortunately.

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kormoc:

shnastybiznastic, get a second cable box

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Tanthrix:

Unless you got a second cable box, which isn't a big deal often

[07:45:11]

Tanthrix:

I think I can get a standard box for a few bucks a month

[07:45:18]

shnastybiznastic:

okay. that sounds reasonable

[07:45:26]

shnastybiznastic:

what do they cost to buy outright?

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Tanthrix:

I don't believe you can usually buy them

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kormoc:

shnastybiznastic, depends on the cable co

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kormoc:

a few hundred for some, others, just can't

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shnastybiznastic:

fair enough. is it possible then, to have two IRblasters talking to seperate cable boxes?

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kormoc:

yup

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Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: Keep in mind that you will need two tuner cards as well (Or one PVR-500)

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shnastybiznastic:

of course

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Tanthrix:

It would probably be worth your while though to see if you can get firewire output working

[07:47:47]

Tanthrix:

It isn't as reliable as a PVR-150, but it's pretty close and getting better all the time (SVN is great compared to 0.20)

[07:47:49]

shnastybiznastic:

how about this altrenate situation: the cable boxes are controlled by usb or firewire. can they be told what channels to change that way?

[07:48:07]

Tanthrix:

Aye

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kormoc:

depends on the cable box

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kormoc:

motorolas typically can, other brands, typically not

[07:48:18]

Tanthrix:

Er, I guess I should say sometimes.

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** Tanthrix yeilds to kormoc's greater knowledge **

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Tanthrix:

I've got a Motorolla via comcast, and it works pretty well.

[07:49:36]

shnastybiznastic:

alright, if I go with firewire output, will I be able to view all the channels? I heard it only worked for locals.

[07:49:47]

Tanthrix:

Depends on your luck.

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kormoc:

depends on your local franchise

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Tanthrix:

You might get everything or nothing

[07:50:01]

kormoc:

Seattle area is great, gets everything other then VH1

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shnastybiznastic:

anyone have any info on Charter?

[07:50:17]

Tanthrix:

Depends on the local area, not company wide

[07:50:18]

kormoc:

it's not just the cable co, it's also dependant on the local branch

[07:50:28]

shnastybiznastic:

east cost, I think it's the charlotte area (even though I'm up in appalachia)

[07:50:36]

shnastybiznastic:

damnation

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Tanthrix:

They should give you a 30 day trial though, so you can give it a try and just return it if it doesn't work

[07:50:54]

shnastybiznastic:

I imagine they don't exactly give out that information either...

[07:52:34]

shnastybiznastic:

but if I go with the analog channels, I won't needthe boxes, and the setup gets about a thousand times simpler

[07:52:44]

shnastybiznastic:

I'm torn.

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Tanthrix:

Alternatively, if you have a neighbor with a Motorolla cablebox you can go into the diagnostics and check

[07:53:19]

Tanthrix:

Have to check each channel individually though, which isn't much fun

[07:53:19]

shnastybiznastic:

Your ideas interest me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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extremis:

I am having difficulty getting my svideo out to display X on my 30" (old) tv

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extremis:

I am just getting a black screen

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extremis:

I have tried a bunch of diff guides with no luck

[07:54:59]

extremis:

could someone help me out for a few?

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shnastybiznastic:

Sorry for my silliness. slogging through the Wiki to understand the basic concepts behind television broadcasting makes brain go numb

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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XChatMav:

evening all

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extremis:

?

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Tanthrix:

extremis: Are you trying to output to just a TV, or a monitor and a TV?

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extremis:

just a tv

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kormoc:

extremis, putting up logs that show the errors to a pastebin would be the first step towards getting help

[07:57:32]

extremis:

not getting any errors

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kormoc:

extremis, are you sure? did you up X's log verbrosity?

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extremis:

testing...

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extremis:

the only thing I get is:

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extremis:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): Unable to initialize the X Int10 module; the console may not

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extremis:

(EE) NVIDIA(0): be restored correctly on your TV.

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extremis:

but that shouldn't be a big deal

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kormoc:

so if you have no error messages, it's a tad hard to even guess what the issue might be

[08:00:21]

extremis:

true

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extremis:

I just get black output on my tv

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extremis:

if I kill X, I get my console output

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extremis:

so, the vid card is sending normal console via svideo

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kormoc:

you might want to try different driver versions and the like

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extremis:

I have a geforce 4 mx440

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kormoc:

and you're using the legacy nvidia driver, right?

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extremis:

from what I read, I need a driver in the 9600 range

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extremis:

I am not using the legacy driver because I read that it isn't in the legacy drivers

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kormoc:

96xx is a legacy driver

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kormoc:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html

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hads:

Would the ffmpeg sync effect crossing program boundries while watching livetv? I'm trying to track down a changeset which might have introducted the problem on this box.

[08:03:01]

kormoc:

"Latest Legacy GPU version (1.0–96xx series)"

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extremis:

hrmph... I though 7xxx was legacy

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kormoc:

there's stages of legacy now

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kormoc:

they dropped certain cards as of 71xx and others as of 96xx

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extremis:

heh, I am using ubuntu

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kormoc:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html

[08:04:17]

kormoc:

might want to go over that then

[08:04:41]

extremis:

heh

[08:04:50]

extremis:

installed nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-legacy-kernel:

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extremis:

Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.9631, but

[08:04:51]

extremis:

this X module is version 1.0.7184. Please be sure that your kernel

[08:05:02]

extremis:

so, legacy is 7100 according to ubuntu

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extremis:

and I guess I don't know how to downgrade the kernel driver after installing nvidia-legacy-kernel

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extremis:

I had used m-a to compile it

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extremis:

m-a doesn't want to recompile

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extremis:

how should I proceed to downgrade from 96xx to 71xx?

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** kormoc shurgs **

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kormoc:

I don't use ubuntu

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extremis:

I'll just let the binary installer from nvidia do it

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extremis:

...

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MaverickTech:

I have ubuntu feisty running, using Nvidia driver v100.14.09

[08:13:41]

MaverickTech:

its a fairly recent nvidia card though

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shnastybiznastic:

One of the other questions I have is about video output cards. Whose drivers are most optimal? I have heard that NVidia cards are worthwile, and that a PVR350 is the optimal situation (if you can find them anymore), but I fear I'm missing a part of the picture.

[08:19:21]

extremis:

MaverickTech: where does it install the kernel driver?

[08:21:55]

extremis:

I'm not seeing it show up in /lib/modules for some reason

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extremis:

I see the ubuntu drivers in there, but those are hosed

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kormoc:

shnastybiznastic, pvr 350 only handles mpeg-2 videos, and thus isn't really the recommended solution these days. Ati doesn't support myth, and personally, I like nvidia quite a bit

[08:25:21]

shnastybiznastic:

I thought mpeg2 was the preferred filetype because of the ease at which it can be encoded (on the fly!)?

[08:26:30]

MaverickTech:

extremis: checking...

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kormoc:

shnastybiznastic, but if you transcode the video in myth it turns into mpeg-4 or rtjpeg, or if you want to watch videos not recorded from the tv, or if you want to view HDTV, or if you want to use the opengl interface, yet alone it's laggy in menus even with opengl turned off

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MaverickTech:

extremis: I used this as a reference – http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490

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shnastybiznastic:

kormoc: I see. So you say you have had good luck with nvidia cards?

[08:28:08]

kormoc:

Aye, I've used a 5200, 5800, 6200, 6800-gs just fine

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MaverickTech:

I have reluctantly moved back from trunk to -fixes :(

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shnastybiznastic:

now, are there any nvidia cards that can speed up decoding?

[08:28:56]

MaverickTech:

the new ffmpeg updates in trunk are driving me mad

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kormoc:

5200 and higher support XvMC, which can help, depending on other factors in the system

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shnastybiznastic:

I'm looking to do an all-in-one pvr on the cheap, so I'm only considering low-cost cards.

[08:29:53]

shnastybiznastic:

given that info, what would you suggest?

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kormoc:

I paid ~$40 for my fanless 6200

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shnastybiznastic:

that is quite adequate

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MaverickTech:

I have tried a few budget nvidia cards with no hassles

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kormoc:

it's a MSI, I also like Gainward, XFX, and Asus

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anykey_:

shnastybiznastic: if you want to get a cheap pvr, go get a motherboard with onboard nvidia graphics ;)

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Tanthrix:

shnastybiznastic: kormoc was just saying that the PVR-350 can only decode MPEG2 (not anything else you might want to,) so a PVR-150/500 and an nvidia card is really the only way to go

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MaverickTech:

I have a struck out 100% on ATI cards :(

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kormoc:

shnastybiznastic, also, a pvr 150 + nvidia is cheaper then a pvr 350 :P

[08:31:24]

kormoc:

MaverickTech, ATI doesn't support mythtv, so don't feel too bad

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Tanthrix:

PVR-150 MCE is around $60–70, and any nvidia card will do (Even a $35 7300gt)

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shnastybiznastic:

I had noticed that. even on ebay, they command exorbitant rates.

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Tanthrix:

There is only one video card manufacturer to go with for linux, and it is nvidia. Unparalleled support, capabilities, and cheapness.

[08:32:47]

anykey_:

Tanthrix: there is still intel...

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shnastybiznastic:

alright, I have adjusted my budget expectations accordingly.

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extremis:

okay, so I tried using the drivers on nvidia's website...and I get the same thing

[08:33:03]

extremis:

black screen

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hads:

Yeah, Intel would be the only other I'd think about.

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kormoc:

extremis, try playing with the res you are outputting to it, might only like a certain res

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Tanthrix:

Haven't used intel much, but I still could not believe it is anywhere near as good as nvidia's linux support. Have you checked nvidia-settings lately? It's crazy stuff

[08:33:52]

extremis:

kormoc: its at 640x480 now

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extremis:

this is an old zenith tv

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shnastybiznastic:

what about game controllers? it would be nice to get my freeciv or wormux on from teh couch, and I see that the games module can handle that sort of thing, but I worry about controller support.

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extremis:

its a 28" or something

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extremis:

not lcd or anything fancy

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kormoc:

extremis, so try lower or ntsc standard

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extremis:

what is lower?

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Tanthrix:

(Not that gui app == quality to anything, just stating that in addition to great capability nvidia provides a very nice and workable app to manage settings such as xv/gl sync and other such things easily)

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kormoc:

tank-man, the new intel intigrated stuff plays things quite well

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extremis:

what does the bootloader run at?

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extremis:

because it displays fine

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kormoc:

extremis, 320x240?

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kormoc:

extremis, might be bitdepth then

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MaverickTech:

I've had nothing but problems with Intel peripherals :/

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shnastybiznastic:

I have created a USB xbox controller, but it only seems to work from within certan programs

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anykey_:

Tanthrix: intel drivers are opensource and don't have bugs that haven't been fixed for years..

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kormoc:

I have to admit, nvidia-settings is quite snazzy tho

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** Tanthrix plugs his ears and shouts "WAH WAH WAH I'm not listening" **

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hads:

Tanthrix: It's not as advanced as the nvidia stuff but Intel is worth looking at anyway. The drivers are open source and are good and are fast becoming better too.

[08:35:47]

kormoc:

they won't ever work as well for games, but for workstation stuff, quite adiqute

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hads:

Yup

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anykey_:

true

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extremis:

tried 16bit

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extremis:

320x200 nothing

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extremis:

still black

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Tanthrix:

Oh, I agree that there is plenty of stuff that works, and works well enough for most things.

[08:36:13]

kormoc:

Exstatica, try 256 or 16 color

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extremis:

the ubuntu bootsplash displays just fine

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extremis:

what does that run at?

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kormoc:

hell if I know

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kormoc:

extremis, you might want to go ask in #ubuntu

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Tanthrix:

Just that if you're setting up a new system there really is no reason to go with anything but nvidia at the moment. Though, from what you all have told me about intel, that may be a slight exaggeration.

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extremis:

I tried 8bit at 320x200 with no result

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anykey_:

Tanthrix: there is for sure no reason to go with ATi/AMD, though I'd really consider buying intel these days, as I don't have any time for games ;)

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extremis:

what refresh settings should I use?

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, personally, If I'm not running games or myth, I don't mind running a intel, but I do only have nvidia at home :P

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extremis:

I am using 30–50, 60 right now

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kormoc:

extremis, whatever is in your tv's manual to use

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hads:

Hmm, the program boundires thing seems to be intermittant, I was just trying to test and it didn't happen this time :)

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Yah. I just feel very thankful that nvidia has created the drivers that they have. And I've gotten quite cranky at all the "It's proprietary, so it's worse than Hitler" crowd.

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hads:

s/boundires/boundries/

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extremis:

does anyone know what normal console refresh rates are?

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MaverickTech:

my tv is 50

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MaverickTech:

any VGA is 60+

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extremis:

I have no clue why this won't work

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extremis:

I'd say it was my tv if console didn't work

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extremis:

X is starting to irritate me

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extremis:

the nv module is no help either

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gpd:

what file sharing method would you suggest between by frontend and another desktop that is often switched off?

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kormoc:

nfs or smb

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gpd:

how do i get it to automatically remount the shares when the machine boots back up?

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kormoc:

automountd or autofs or the like

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gpd:

ok thanks, I'll investigate

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gpd:

also, back on the overscan issue, can I tell gnome to not use the non visible overscan areas?

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clever[rev]:

gpd: probly cant tell gnome but if your video drivers are right you call thell them and X wont have access to the edges you cant see

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gpd:

clever[rev]: I went throught that last night with juski et al and it seems that the nvidia linux drivers do not support compensating for overscan

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hads:

Huh? Yeah they do.

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gpd:

hads: how / where / which?

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hads:

nvidia-settings

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hads:

There's also a setting in xorg.conf but the nvidia-settings app lets you adjust more.

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gpd:

...?

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gpd:

hads where in nvidia-settings – I don't see anything

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gpd:

this is for DVI->HDMI, does that make a difference?

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hads:

Oh. I assumed you were talking TV out. FOr DVI you'd want to play with mode lines.

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gpd:

yeah – I've tried many modelines but all have some overscan – hence why i wondered if gnome could just set the outside edge to be out of bounds for maximize etc

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clever[rev]:

gpd: my nvidia drivers are overcompensating a little too much by default

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clever[rev]:

gpd: i can see a black border arround the entire screen

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clever[rev]:

im using composite video out

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** gpd goes back to not caring about it **

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clever[rev]:

lol

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hads:

Sort it out adante

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MaverickTech:

put adante in, put adante out, put adante in and shake him all about... IRC hokey pokey :p

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juski:

don't remember ever seeing adante say anything here anyway

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hads:

juski: What made you shift the program info in the guide to the bottom in blootube-wide

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juski:

consistency

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hads:

Looks good

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juski:

I was on with reducing the number of individual background graphics & came up with a solution whereby I have one background overlay slightly bigger than half the screen height – then on the various screens I just display it at different heights :)

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hads:

Nice one

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juski:

the 'watch recordings' screen will get a similar treatment eventually

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** MaverickTech reverts his svn trunk back to r13654 for the moment, to avoid ffmpeg sync borkyness **

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hads:

What borkyness?

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MaverickTech:

I upgraded my ffmpeg to ffmpeg-svn about a month back to play with xris's flv player

[10:57:03]

MaverickTech:

noticed it choked on a bunch of my recordings

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MaverickTech:

since upgrading to latest trunk this week, with ffmpeg sync in it

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MaverickTech:

...the frontend has been falling over all over the place

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hads:

I see

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MaverickTech:

a gdb this morning seems to suggest libavcodec is segfaulting

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laga:

MaverickTech: why don't you report some bugs then?

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laga:

that'd be more sensible than bitching in #mythtv-users

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hads:

I don't see bitching.

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MaverickTech:

not exactly sure what/where to report yet, and I have a disgruntled user base ;) (MrsMaverickTech)

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MaverickTech:

laga: I was not bitching

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MaverickTech:

when I have a good trace I will report the appropriate authorities, in the mean time I will try to nut out why it is occuring on my system

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laga:

:P i must have misunderstood you then, sorry

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laga:

i suppose you already know about http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo

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MaverickTech:

given that this change went in a week or more ago, I am assuming it not a widespread problem

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MaverickTech:

thanks for the link laga

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juski:

laga: for laughs I tried Elisa last night. what a POS! It won't even play mpeg2 files – you need to pay $money for plugins :(

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laga:

juski: isn't it supposed to be OSS?

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juski:

laga: yeh. not only that be teh ult1m@t3 OSS m3d1@ c3nt3r ! FU mythtvxorrz

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juski:

it's a bid by Fluendo to own the marketplace. and by that I don't just mean user share

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juski:

it works great with mythtv's Upnp though, just won't play anything back without paid-for cash-money plugins – and all this without mpeg software patents even being valid in europe yet

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laga:

preemptive suckiness

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juski:

oh I look forward to having a chat with an elisa fanboy next time I see them and expose their evilness to all & sundry

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juski:

in all the 'ubuntu media center' "we're dropping MythTV" bullshit they seem to have completely glossed over the single most important aspect. Kiss goodbye to some of your open source – hello paid-for binary blobs :-\

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laga:

there's still mythbuntu

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laga:

no worries :)

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laga:

juski: some guy asked me where he could download MeinMythTV, my knoppmyth spin-off for linuxtag 2006. i told him to get knoppmyth or mythdora instead. he wrote back explaining his needs to me and was like "if you are a programer, maybe you can make a distro like this"

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juski:

I found a fluendo blog page yesterday where they're rattling on about how _they_ have been taken under the wing of 'ubuntu media center' not mythtv.. then loads of misantrhopic comments underneath saying "mythtv suxx0r5.. I couldn't install it & I tried for like FIVE minutes :("

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laga:

instead of getting knoppmyth

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juski:

I tell you – mythtv doesn't need or want those kind of users – let them rot ;)

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laga:

heh

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juski:

oo mythweather-revamp really is as much a bee-ach as I heard it is. ah well

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juski:

it built ok though

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zd:

anyone around an expert with spdif out and myth

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juski:

that's an alsa thing

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juski:

nothing to do with myth as such

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juski:

next!

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zd:

well, it works fine with mplayer

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zd:

I should be more specific

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zd:

ac3 audio through spdif in myth has 0 audio, works in mplayer, regular audio works fine in myth through spdif

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juski:

mythtv's ac3 & DTS passthru needs work in 0.20-fixes – which if I remember right it has had in trunk

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zd:

hmm, same problem in both .20 and the .21 cvs builds, course i havent tried .20-fixes i don' tthink

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juski:

i.e. 0.20-fixes has problems with ac3 & DTS passthru which if I remember right has been fixed in trunk :)

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juski:

cvs? cvs hasn't been used for ages

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zd:

okay maybe its not actually cvs, just the current builds from the .21 source, no need to split hairs

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juski:

yes there is

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juski:

cvs is deprecated

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juski:

anyway I think you're going to need to be even more specific than "plays ok with mplayer, not ok with any version of mythtv"

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juski:

is it all video with ac3? or just some dvds?

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zd:

any audio

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zd:

ac3 passthrough is enabled in myth

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laga:

mythcommflag is only using 10% CPU on my remote backend :( i want it to be superfast. i've already reniced it to '0'. any hints?

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juski:

maybe you've not specified the right device, zd

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laga:

vmstat says that it's not waiting for i/o it seems

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zd:

if its not ac3, it plays fine

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juski:

zd: so DTS works ok?

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zd:

honestly i havent tried it, let me find a dvd

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juski:

there are 2 devices for audio output in mythtv – there's the ordinary audio device – PCM – which gets routed to SPDIF out by most soundcards anyway ... then there's the SPDIF passthru device – and if that isn't correctly specified in mythtv you will get ordinary audio from SPDIF but not AC3 or DTS

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zd:

well, i purposely specified the same output device for each

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zd:

having a hell of at ime finding a dvd that even has dts

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juski:

that's probably where you went wrong

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juski:

the device would have a name like alsa:spdif or something like that IIRC

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juski:

the names you see when you do aplay -l

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zd:

its like ie958 or something

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zd:

iec958

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zd:

i'm currently specifying with ALSA:plughw:0,1

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zd:

to make sure its pumping out the 'digital device'

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zd:

see if this helps any: ALSA lib control.c:910:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer

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zd:

2007-06–16 03:24:30.186 AudioOutput Warning: Mixer attach error -2: No such file or directory

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zd:

though /dev/mixer odes exist

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Arfdee:

hi friends, i just plugged in a wintv usb 2 pvr and it says

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Arfdee:

***WARNING*** Device fx2 controller firmware seems to be missing.

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Arfdee:

pvrusb2: Did you install the pvrusb2 firmware files in their proper location?

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Arfdee:

pvrusb2: request_firmware unable to locate fx2 controller file v4l-pvrusb2–24xxx-01.fw

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Arfdee:

i was wondering where to get that

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juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=v4 . . . ch&meta=

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juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=v4 . . . ch&meta=

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laga:

Arfdee: http://www.isely.net/pvrusb2/firmware.html

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juski:

posted it twice just so you get the picture

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samesame:

has anyone here used cedega to play windows games on linux? (*cough off-topic *cough)

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laga:

samesame: maybe. ;)

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samesame:

i just wondered what the performance would be like, do they run slower on cedega than they would on windows

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** laga mode +b adante!*@* **

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juski:

samesame: duh yeah

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juski:

running anything emulated is likely going to be slower than running it in its native environment

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samesame:

ok

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Arfdee:

laga, what is all this boot up windows stuff?

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sebrock:

need help... can't run mythtv-setup

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laga:

Arfdee: dunno, i didn't read it

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Arfdee:

i have the fx2 one

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Arfdee:

how do i determine if i have 29xxx or 24xxx?

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juski:

sebrock: type m y t h t v – s e t u p and press return!

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sebrock:

juski, won't work :d

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sebrock:

Let me show you the output

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juski:

no, let you not show me the output. I'm outta here

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sebrock:

lol

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sebrock:

please, anyone have a look: http://www.pastebin.ca/567054

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Arfdee:

ah i have the 24xxx

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Arfdee:

why they can't just give you the firmware files to download....

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zd:

glad to see juski maintains the 'linux help' stereotype

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sebrock:

yes as always

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robyr:

morning

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juski:

muh muh muhhh,,, "glad to see juski maintains the 'linux help' stereotype"

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juski:

yeah yeah yeah

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zd:

eh, its true

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juski:

hey look if you're gonna talk about me, do it to my face asshole

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zd:

i am

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zd:

no need to start calling people names, be proud of who you are

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sebrock:

awww

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sebrock:

will you help me now then juski?

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juski:

the 'linux help stereotype' suits me fine, just as the 'lazy user' suits a lot of other people

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zd:

lazy user, heheh, nice

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sebrock:

its a fine line between lazy and new user?

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juski:

sebrock: mythtv-setup segfaulted. not a lot you can tell from that message

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juski:

sebrock: no it's not

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zd:

because you know how much work people have put in, impressive!

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zd:

from your pov, its a fine line, from the user's, its not

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sebrock:

juski, so what can I do? any logs? thing is Im trying to access mythtv-setup via a ssh -X session

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juski:

sebrock: you can't do anything, not without getting debugging symbols

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sebrock:

btw which RAID will make multiple disks appear as one?

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zd:

depends on what you're looking to do

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sebrock:

ok, so should I just sit here?

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juski:

sebrock: JBOD, or raid0 – not advised since it multiplies the chance of losing everything in one go

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sebrock:

aww, nothing that cant be replaced

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zd:

pretty much all raid levels make a bunch of drives look like 1

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zd:

just a matter of how they do it

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juski:

sebrock: maybe try running mythtv-setup on a local X session

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zd:

and what you're looking to do, speed and fault tolerance wise

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sebrock:

hmm...

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zd:

raid5 is probably the most popular due to the combination, though write speed suffers

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sebrock:

is that mirroring?

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zd:

its stripe+parity

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juski:

you not heard of google, sebrock?

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zd:

wikipedia has a great article on raid

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zd:

gives you info on each level and what they're generally u sed for

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sebrock:

Im goggling m y ass off on this mytht-setup

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juski:

sebrock: IT SEGFAULTED. without running it under gdb if it's been built with debugging enabled there's NOTHING you can find out

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juski:

I've said that twice now

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zd:

is it the initial run of the setup?

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juski:

try running it on a local X server

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juski:

your resistance to using X on the backend is proving to be the problem here

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juski:

if it won't run like this, there's no way you can find out what's up with it

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sebrock:

I guess, it just kills my dream of remote configuring the backend when needed

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juski:

you can ask anybody else – if mythtv-setup segfaults at that stage you do not stand a chance in hell

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juski:

just use vnc

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juski:

or freenx

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juski:

X doesn't take up *that* much room or *that* many cpu cycles. sheesh

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sebrock:

juski, says in the log that "No setting found for this machines BackendServerIP"

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zd:

could get really fancy and just edit the sql directly

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zd:

i don't recommend it, but hey, its an option

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juski:

not in http://www.pastebin.ca/567054 it doesn't, sebrock

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sebrock:

zd, continue :d

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sebrock:

thats what the mythtbackend.log says

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sebrock:

actually it states this on several locations

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juski:

sebrock: well DUH you've not run mythtv-setup successfully yet

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zd:

not much to continue, i'm just assuming its keeps its settings int he db it creates, if so its gotta be editable

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juski:

so of COURSE it'll say that!

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zd:

thats assuming it gets far enough to create the db

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sebrock:

so anything I can do before installing X

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juski:

sebrock: just install X

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zd:

just do it

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zd:

heh

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juski:

it's WAY less hassle

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zd:

it wont hurt much, and it'll make things easier

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juski:

yes it's certainly possible to get mythtv running on a backend with no X server, but not YOU and not today :)

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sebrock:

:D

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juski:

hell mythtv-setup might even segfault on a proper X server we dunno yet..

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sebrock:

gonna check it out then

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laga:

GreyFoxx, xris: can any of you use your super powers and ban adante?

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laga:

what happens if i restart mysqld while a show is being recorded?

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juski:

laga: bad $stuff I bet

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juski:

ymmv ;)

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juski:

maybe only the recordedseek table would be borked

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Milosch:

yeah, that's a fun one

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Milosch:

must be a shark nibbling on the cable

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juski:

who is adante anyway? never seen him say anything, ever

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laga:

i justb restarted mysql anyways :)

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Milosch:

laga: you rebel, you

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laga:

it might be fun to track down slow queries in mythtv and optimize them

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laga:

maybe some other day..

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juski:

lol

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juski:

not as much fun as making your own plugin, believe me!

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laga:

;)

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binks:

hi anyone here user the kubuntu repo or no why it doesnt create the mythtv user and database

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juski:

again please, in English?

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binks:

ok sorry i installed mythtv from the ubuntu repository

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juski:

have you tried reading the ubuntu community docs about installing mythtv?

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binks:

but it hasnt created the mythtv user or the database in mysql

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binks:

yes thats what i was following i think

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juski:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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laga:

are you using ubuntu feisty?

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binks:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . nd_Desktop_O

[12:54:19]

binks:

kubuntu fiesty

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binks:

i have mysql installed ok and phpmyadmin but there is no mythtv user

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laga:

have you installed mysql-server before installing mythtv-database?

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binks:

i justed chose the mythtv option as stated in the howto should i install them separate and try that

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juski:

is mysql-server STILL not a dependency of mythtv-database? argghhh man

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laga:

juski: no, it's intentional

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juski:

why?

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binks:

should i uninstall and start from scratch

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laga:

juski: because the DB server can reside on a different host

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juski:

for the very few users who will run slave backends I suppose

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laga:

binks: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force mythtv-database

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laga:

hum

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laga:

i might have omgoptimized my mysqld to death. it's slowing down again

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laga:

guess i'll need to throw in more RAM ;)

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binks:

:) mint thanks

[12:58:03]

binks:

l cheers

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sebrock:

juski, it started on the local display

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binks:

laga: cheers

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juski:

sebrock: quel surprise

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laga:

binks: glad it worked :)

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laga:

juski: quelle ;)

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sebrock:

but still that sucks, because I want to strip the backed machine from every part I dont need, like the gpu (just makes noise)

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juski:

whatever :-\

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sebrock:

can't do that if I cant forwad the X session

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juski:

sebrock: wah! wahhhhhhh!

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laga:

my GPU doesn'

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laga:

t make noise ;)

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sebrock:

mine does

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juski:

nor does mine

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juski:

be smart & buy silent parts

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laga:

you can still use vnc, or is that broken as well?

[13:00:12]

sebrock:

anyway, it is totally overkill to just have it in the backend for no reason

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juski:

sebrock: it's not for 'no reason' – it's because you can't get X forwarding to work lol

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sebrock:

harrrrr

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juski:

hey I know you could make up a ncurses and/or perl setup utility. none of mythtv-setup really needs graphics

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juski:

and since you want one so bad...

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juski:

and it'll be fun :)

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juski:

oh noes there I go again telling a user to go do something himself. how very evil of me

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sebrock:

evil reincarnated

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laga:

wow

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laga:

now i've got a mythcommflag process using 50% cpu and another one using 10%

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laga:

i just can't wint

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juski:

did you set mythcommflag to use a lot of CPU in mythtv-setup ?

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laga:

back to 10% for both. i just want more than 60fps :(

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laga:

juski: i reniced the processes to 0 and it was still slow

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laga:

hum

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laga:

maybe there's other magic to it

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laga:

i'll tell it to use a lot of cpu in mythtv-setup then

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laga:

killall mythcommflag results in "143 commercial breaks found".

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juski:

heh

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juski:

that reminds me of something else I found about the 'all singing' Elisa last night. crashy. how very crashy

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juski:

not very often I have to use kill -9 to stop something

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juski:

bad show

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laga:

did you go to their irc channel to whine about it?

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juski:

shoulda I guess

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juski:

be a typical $user :)

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juski:

speaking of whining.. "They look pretty well,

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juski:

but they seems to miss MythGame support."

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juski:

they look pretty well.. hmmm

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juski:

and "Btw... which Font do you use for your Project Grayham OSD Theme".. well look in the osd.xml file dummdumm

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juski:

!trout the-clueless clue

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** MythLogBot slaps the-clueless with a clue trout on behalf of juski... **

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juski:

I guess I could add mythgame support, but I don't even use mythgame

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juski:

probably better would be to fix the default and default-wide files for game-ui.xml & stop them being so sucky

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/game.png – I mean COME ON.. did somebody think that was acceptable?

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laga:

:'(

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juski:

does anybody here use mythgame – does the UI really look so badly lined up?

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juski:

I can't honestly believe somebody committed that

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Aquahallic:

it's not that bad

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Aquahallic:

sure as hell ALOT better than THAT

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juski:

this is what it looks like here – I've not edited it in any way

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juski:

Aquahallic: which theme do you use though?

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Aquahallic:

just the basic blue theme

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Aquahallic:

nuttin' fancy

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juski:

yeah blue has a game-ui.xml so somebody has played with it to make it better

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juski:

the defaults which get used when a theme has no $plugin-ui.xml are sometimes needing something ;)

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Aquahallic:

juski... lemme ask ya something

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laga:

according to the backend status page, mythcommflag is running on backend2 when it's really running on backend1. that's just fscked up

[13:20:14]

juski:

shoot

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jams:

that looks like a unfinished conversion between square and wide

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juski:

jams: so I'll finish it then

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Aquahallic:

I've been CURSED with these WriteAudio buffer underruns... and if I turn on extra audio buffering then I get prebuffer pauses

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Aquahallic:

I've spent DAYS jacking with latencies and even went and bought a new audigy soundcard

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juski:

Aquahallic: not an area I'm good with. my frontend is plagued by the same problem sometimes. sucky

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juski:

Aquahallic: changing your soundcard won't help

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juski:

changing your videocard won't help

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Aquahallic:

yeah... I'm wondering if I shouldn't just make a separate frontend and backend

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juski:

getting a faster CPU / more RAM won't help either

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Aquahallic:

it ONLY does it on livetv

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juski:

nor will making frontend & backend separate

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juski:

it's a known issue

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juski:

oause for a bit, and the problem goes away when you unpause

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juski:

*pause even

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Aquahallic:

yeah

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Aquahallic:

if I go back like one click... it's gone

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juski:

there are a few theories about why it happens

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juski:

all of them revolve around how mythtv works out the playback timing IIRC

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Aquahallic:

so does yours only do it on livetv also?

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juski:

I only ever use livetv to test my tuners, so no not only livetv

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Aquahallic:

you using the newest revision??

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juski:

Aquahallic: nope

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Aquahallic:

I've managed to get mine down to a very very minimal... after I change a channel I'll get a couple (expected) then I might get like 2 an hour

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Aquahallic:

the only thing I can't seem to do is get the latency on my drive to change...:/

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binks:

is there a quick way to test if i have my dvb card setup

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Aquahallic:

nomatter what I set it to... it stays at 0

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juski:

binks: kaffeine

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Aquahallic:

since it's a audio issue... I'm wondering if using Jack with realtime as my mixer would help???

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Aquahallic:

anyone using Jack for thier audio??

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Aquahallic:

juski what are you using as your player for recordings?

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robyr:

i have a quick question. I have my mythtv box pretty much setup at this point, but one thing is still irking me

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robyr:

is there a way to have mythmusic continue to play music

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juski:

Aquahallic: mythfrontend – the only player you can use

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robyr:

cause thats annoying to be on the player window the entire time

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juski:

robyr: NO

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robyr:

:/

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Aquahallic:

you can set an external player for your recordings

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GreyFoxx:

robyr: AT this point, no

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GreyFoxx:

Aquahallic: No you can not

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juski:

Aquahallic: no you cannot

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Aquahallic:

hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

Your only options for external players is in mytvideo or dvd playback

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robyr:

GreyFoxx: Heh, awsome. the one thing that makes it or breaks it for the other half :/

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GreyFoxx:

You COULD point mythvideo at your recordings dir I support

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juski:

why are weekends always like this? do the documents go on holiday?

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GreyFoxx:

suppose

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GreyFoxx:

juski: of course :)

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robyr:

juski: ive read the docs, and not a damn one blatantly states that you cannot

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juski:

now I have to fix neon-wide because the sucky gl painter breaks it :(

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Aquahallic:

so what's that with mplayer in there... is that only for your media folder??

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juski:

for mythvideo

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GreyFoxx:

Aquahallic: Aka, mythvideo

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Aquahallic:

gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

and even that is optional, you can use the internal player

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GreyFoxx:

which is the code default now

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Aquahallic:

man... be nice if myth was thin... and you could select which player to use for livetv and recordings...;)

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** Aquahallic hears... "Get coding then" **

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Aquahallic:

lol

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juski:

be nice if users stopped fucking whining

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GreyFoxx:

It would never be accepted :)

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GreyFoxx:

Aquahallic: But you can use another app for "LiveTV" if you edit the menu xml and have ti execute an external app

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GreyFoxx:

though that might get ugly

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robyr:

meh, i wish there was a media center type app that wasnt TV centric. i havent watch tv in ages, but i have a sizable media collection ;)

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GreyFoxx:

robyr: Apples Frontrow

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robyr:

GreyFoxx: so i hear.

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GreyFoxx:

and it has screen bling too

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robyr:

Be a cold day in hell before i use an overpriced apple machine though

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binks:

juski: cheers kaffein finds the chans cheers again

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robyr:

but front row is pretty bad ass.

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juski:

you could try Elisa but it won't play anything MPEG derived without you buying a plugin

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juski:

that means dvd & mp3 btw

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fysafysa:

Elisa isn't ready.

[13:39:19]

juski:

Elisa is poo

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fysafysa:

better off with oxine, IMO.

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robyr:

heh

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juski:

closed source poo

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fysafysa:

.. if you can get it to compile.

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fysafysa:

http://oxine.sourceforge.net/

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robyr:

juski: i realize what mpeg is.

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juski:

XBMC for linux

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juski:

:)

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robyr:

fysafysa: i may end up having to try that

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juski:

another MCE clone yay :-\

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juski:

horrible UI too

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robyr:

thats what i want though

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robyr:

I just wanna watch shit

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juski:

so use MCE

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robyr:

and make it decent for the girl to use.

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fysafysa:

oxine? it could use some updated graphics, but it's basically just an updated file browser for xine-ui.

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robyr:

juski: i prefer free software, god damn you are a douchbag.

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juski:

lol

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fysafysa:

haha

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juski:

I just want I just want I just WANT

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juski:

I don't actually wanna DO anything though :-\

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robyr:

fysafysa: in all honesty, that would probably work best.

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juski:

muhhhhh

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robyr:

juski: i am a full time dba and technical support contact. I really dont want to spend my saturdays doing it again.

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juski:

getting off your ass speaks louder than saying "i want" though

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robyr:

Yeah, I'm sure it does, but when I finish is the product even going to be worth it? You types are the problem in the oss world.

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robyr:

Im sure you are uber leet and code anything you happen to need, right?

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robyr:

fysafysa: thank you atleast. Youve given me some more options to look at.

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enyc:

hrrm I want to know what the DVM QAM recording is about..... is this about recording an entire MUX (multiple channels) on a tuner ?

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fysafysa:

now get off your ass.

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fysafysa:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, the OSS world would be better populated with people who say "why should I bother since it might not be worth it" :)

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robyr:

fysafysa: planned on it, oxine doesnt look half bad

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juski:

no but I don't make demands of the mythtv project and what I *can* improve I do

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** GreyFoxx goes back to messing with OSD fonts **

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juski:

enyc: no it's not

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fysafysa:

yeah, you don't make demands of the mythtv project. the mythtv project makes demands of you.

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robyr:

juski: i never demanded anything

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robyr:

if myth was going to work, i just asked for alternatives.

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robyr:

since tvcentric media wasnt my aim

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juski:

yeah well for that I would just go for xmms, geexbox etc

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juski:

IF I didn't mostly want TV stuff going on

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robyr:

juski: not on a crap res tv and not with any sort of decent controlability.

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robyr:

You can proceed to take your head out of your ass now.

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enyc:

juski: [ok]

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juski:

geexbox is taking on freevo2 now

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juski:

assholes everywhere I look today!

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fysafysa:

wait.

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fysafysa:

geexbox has a newer release than the 'christmas' release?

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fysafysa:

hmm. indeed.

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fysafysa:

I thought I had looked at it a month ago and saw the same live CD from 5 years ago.

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enyc:

juski: hrrm iirc geexbox seems useful as a "self booting" video cd player linux whatnot

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enyc:

juski: there was something like this before.. ubt i can't remember what it was

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laga:

juski: URL?

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enyc:

juski: movix ;-) that was it... but seemed to become unmaintained

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sebrock:

juski, setting the display with mythtv-setup -display will that work?

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sebrock:

could it work

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laga:

sebrock: does ssh -X -Y work?

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sebrock:

nope

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sebrock:

well all apps except mythtv-setup works

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laga:

did you try it like mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt ?

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sebrock:

no

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fysafysa:

you can set DISPLAY= on the command line before executing mythtv-setup

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sebrock:

what is that

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sebrock:

set it to the mac ip?

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sebrock:

the x server is on a mac

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fysafysa:

http://www.cisl.ucar.edu/docs/ssh/guide/node29.html

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laga:

sebrock: well, try it

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fysafysa:

http://developer.apple.com/opensource/tools/runningx11.html

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sebrock:

been there done that

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laga:

done what?

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sebrock:

I do get the prompt window saying I need to be a part of the mythtgroup and other stuff works aswell

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sebrock:

its just mythtv-setup that will not work

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laga:

done what exactly?

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fysafysa:

echo $DISPLAY

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fysafysa:

if it's not the remote machine, it's not setup properly.

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Aquahallic:

question: if I compiled mythtv with autostart and I need to boot this box up and not have mythfrontend startup what on earth do I need to comment out???

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sebrock:

fysafysa look at this: http://www.pastebin.ca/567054

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sebrock:

it says missing display on localhost:10.0

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laga:

Aquahallic: how do you compile mythtv with "autostart"?

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sebrock:

thats when trying to launch with ssh -X -Y

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Aquahallic:

gentoo has a USE flag of autostart

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Aquahallic:

damn thing populates something and I dunno WTF it is

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laga:

Aquahallic: read the ebuild

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sebrock:

fysafysa I'm following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_Backend

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juski:

read the ebuild, read the docs, read the wiki.. who'd have thunk that using a conscooter would mean so much damn _reading_ ? :-\

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juski:

muhahaha

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sebrock:

nope echo $DISPLAY on the server shows: localhost:10.0

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sebrock:

is that not correct?

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fysafysa:

well. you are sshing in, and you want the output displayed elsewhere. $DISPLAY needs to be the IP of where you want to send the $DISPLAY to. You're using a Mac, so $DISPLAY=macip:0.0 possibly.

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fysafysa:

given that you have X11 running and setup properly on the Mac.

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sebrock:

it is running, but I find it strange that before mythtv-setup starts there is a number of prompts that work

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sebrock:

they DO get forwarded to the mac

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fysafysa:

why not just run VNC really quick for mythtv-setup and get it over with?

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sebrock:

just when pressing OK to shut fown the backend and start the setup that it does not work any longer

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sebrock:

hmmmm

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sebrock:

I guess

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sebrock:

I just hate it when there is no explaination

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fysafysa:

maybe that shutting down the backend prompt is relaunching mythtv-setup

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fysafysa:

so shut down the backend first.

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sebrock:

Great idea! will try that

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sebrock:

brb

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fysafysa:

.. :P

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ubuntuEdgy:

8-)

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sebrock:

Even if I manually start the backend I cant stop it afterwards because none is running it says

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sebrock:

this is crazy

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GreyFoxx:

How are you attempting to stop it ?

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juski:

sebrock: you using ubuntu by any chance?

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sebrock:

juski, yes?

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juski:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

Just a hint, starting it manually, and then trying to use an initscript to stop it likely wont work

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sebrock:

juski?

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sebrock:

any other distro you recommend for backend?

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GreyFoxx:

the initscript is likely looking for a pid file (which when started with the init script mythbackend would bve told to create)_

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juski:

sebrock: mythtv-setup on ubuntu is a link to a script

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juski:

sebrock: you need the REAL mythtv-setup

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juski:

I don't think the script will be passing the real mythtv-setup the info you need to fwd it to a remote X server

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sebrock:

ok so how do I get htat?

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sebrock:

oh

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juski:

called something like mythtv-setup.real

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sebrock:

so I run that instead?

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juski:

ubuntu's striving to make life easier for users strikes again :)

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juski:

well try a tab autocomplete of mythtv-setup.

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sebrock:

heh, could you recommend any other small distro to use as backend?

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juski:

note the dot at the end

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juski:

sebrock: the distro is irrelevant really

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sebrock:

ok

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sebrock:

I'll try it, brb

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juski:

GreyFoxx: I got as far as www.juski.co.uk/appear-wiz.png :)

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sebrock:

juski same error

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juski:

can't seem to get it to read settings out of the db yet, but I will eventually (I hope)

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juski:

sebrock: that mythbackend is running?

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juski:

or same segfault?

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sebrock:

no same segfault

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juski:

I'd have given up by now, or bought a nice shiny new fanless nvidia card

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GreyFoxx:

juski: nice :)

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sebrock:

nah, I'll be doing VNC instead then

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sebrock:

But I need a small X system, any tips on that?

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ubuntuEdgy:

did you ssh with "-X"

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sebrock:

yes

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok good

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GreyFoxx:

sebrock: Small X system? For what ?

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sebrock:

cant seem to forward the mythtv-setup

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ubuntuEdgy:

works here "

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sebrock:

I have to do i locally

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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sebrock:

what is the smalles I can do?

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GreyFoxx:

you must have X (or at least the X librarieS) installed for mythbackend anyway

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** juski goes off to try & find out how to make a function pull stuff out of the db **

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ubuntuEdgy:

all i do is log on, then stop the back end then ,start the setup

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sebrock:

how do you stop your backend?

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GreyFoxx:

juski: gContext->GetSetting()

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ubuntuEdgy:

did you remember to allow x far-warding on the back-end

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GreyFoxx:

for the settings table

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juski:

GreyFoxx: I'm trying GetNumSetting because I want numbers not Qstrings

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sebrock:

ubuntuEdgy, yes. other apps works, its just the setup that dont

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juski:

numbers/int

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GreyFoxx:

*nod*

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ubuntuEdgy:

to stop the back end sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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ubuntuEdgy:

sorry sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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sebrock:

I tried it... says no backend found

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sebrock:

none to kill

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ubuntuEdgy:

did you see if it was on

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GreyFoxx:

Thats casue you started it manually

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sebrock:

And yet I cant start t

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ubuntuEdgy:

check id its on

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ubuntuEdgy:

if*

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juski:

GreyFoxx: http://pastebin.ca/570067 so far .. builds fine, runs fine but mythfrontend -v all isn't showing me any queries going on

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GreyFoxx:

That's cause you are doing your calls in the destructor

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juski:

oh not again lol

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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juski:

and the constructor would be MythAppearance::MythAppearance(MythMainWindow... right

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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ubuntuEdgy:

is the backend on ?

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sebrock:

ubuntuEdgy, no

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ubuntuEdgy:

how did you check

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sebrock:

w8

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juski:

hrm. still no dice

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juski:

I should put some VERBOSE in to read out my variables

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ubuntuEdgy:

check with this command ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid`

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, i only to know for sure the code is getting called

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sebrock:

ubuntuEdgy, do you run mythtv-setup straight away when ssh or do you first manually shut down the backend?

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ubuntuEdgy:

fisrt stup down the backend

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ubuntuEdgy:

shut*

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sebrock:

because I do get a popup asking me to shutdown the backend forwarded.... but then it goes down

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ubuntuEdgy:

ps -p `cat /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid`

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sebrock:

what happens if you do mythtv-setup at once, not shutting down

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ubuntuEdgy:

what dose it say

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sebrock:

nothing

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ubuntuEdgy:

nothing?

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sebrock:

nope nothing

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sebrock:

w8, Im reinstalling right now. Gimme 5 mins

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ubuntuEdgy:

im getting confused here

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sebrock:

you should see my face

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ubuntuEdgy:

you forgot to install it didn't you /

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sebrock:

no hehe

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ubuntuEdgy:

dk head

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ubuntuEdgy:

:-P

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ubuntuEdgy:

`any way im off, bye

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sebrock:

hey

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sebrock:

omg

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Teoz:

I've no 'flicker' option in my nVidia-settings although I have a nVidia card and alot of other options are there

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juski:

no flicker filter? ye gads!

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juski:

what card?

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juski:

eh? got a VERBOSE (VB_IMPORTANT, "HELLO!") in the constructor bit & nothing doing. this is gonna be one slow journey

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GreyFoxx:

What is creating MythAppearance ?

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GreyFoxx:

You were doing this as a plugin right ?

[15:40:14]

juski:

yeah

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juski:

main.cpp I spose

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laga:

don't you need a main( somewhere?

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Teoz:

juski: well, GeForce 2 mmx

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laga:

Teoz: those cards might be too old

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juski:

Teoz: no wonder :)

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GreyFoxx:

dammit, brb, kid accident here

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Teoz:

juski: damn then, the only recent ones I have are ATI which I doubt MythTv could wield

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Zider:

Teoz: mmx? didn't know gfx cards had that ;)

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juski:

nvidia geforce fx5200 – circa $25 or so

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juski:

or 6200 for about the same money

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Teoz:

juski: so fx5200 would have flicker permiting me to finallyget an image on my TV :)

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juski:

you mean you can't get tv out to work on the gf2 mx card at all?

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Teoz:

juski, well, when booting, the startup procedures appear and everythings is okay up until the KnoppMyth spalsh screen

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juski:

knoppmyth have their own channel you know ;)

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Teoz:

juski, yeah but primo, they're never there :P and secundo, I was pretty sure MythTv was the one taking care of the output

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Zider:

mythtv is just a program running in X

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Zider:

(more or less at least)

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mirak:

I hate ATI

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Zider:

mirak: we all do ;)

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juski:

for cards lower than GF4 you need a program called nvtv to get the tvout to work properly

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Zider:

juski: like overscan you mean?

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mirak:

Teoz: you better buy a ATI card and build a VGA to SCART cable

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juski:

Zider: yeah

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juski:

mirak: only any good if his TV has RGB input!

[15:51:25]

mirak:

quality is much much better

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Zider:

juski: yeah, too bad nvtv is a stinking pile of dog feces.. ;P

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mirak:

juski: of course if he have DVI ...

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mirak:

juski: I don't know much TV with scart that don't understand RGB

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Teoz:

If I had DVI or VGA, I would be watching tv throught MythTv right now :)

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Teoz:

all right, though I also have a more recent and decent ATI but I've heard ATI and Linux don't mix

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Zider:

they don't mix well at least

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Zider:

especially if you're trying to do tv-out :P

[15:54:03]

Zider:

but YMMV

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mirak:

Teoz: for vga to scart it works with radeons, and proprietary drivers doesn't support it

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mirak:

so you can only use thhe free one

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Zider:

mirak: doesn't work with later cards?

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mirak:

Zider: what is later ?

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Zider:

newer

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Zider:

more modern

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mirak:

ii works on my radeon 9600 pro, I think it works also from 8500

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mirak:

and probably for recent card but I don't know

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mirak:

it doesn't work as simply on nvidia cards

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mirak:

they need a little bit circutry

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juski:

hahahaha "support for the DXR3/Hollywood+ MPEG-Decoder. There exists already a plugin for xine. MPEG-decoding ist already supportet with PVR-350, so this schould be no big deal.". out of the mouths of babes

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laga:

juski: source?

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juski:

features wishlist

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laga:

i think i know the guy who entered that

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juski:

I think I need to go to c++ school

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laga:

i think i need to study for school or something

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juski:

well so far I've done more than most people who wish for plugins :)

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sebrock:

i've given up, what is the minimum x-system I need to install to get the setup working?

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Teoz:

damned unstable windows

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Teoz:

juski, what cards that you've mentioned will permit a flicker option so that my interlaced TV can get a decent signal?

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juski:

Teoz: about any gf4 and above card as long as it has tvout

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Teoz:

all right! and flicker will simulate an interlaced signal, right?

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Teoz:

all right! and flicker will simulate an interlaced signal, right?

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laga:

you will get an interlaced signal anyways.

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laga:

the tv-out encoder takes care of that

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juski:

the flicker filter will do the same thing as deinterlacing in mythfrontend, basically

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Teoz:

all right

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Teoz:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/nVidia-GeForce-4-MX420-64M . . . cmdZViewItem

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Teoz:

this seem okay?

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GreyFoxx:

go for something newer

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GreyFoxx:

those are no longer supported by their newest drivers

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GreyFoxx:

at least not officially

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laga:

Teoz: i still don't know why the lack of a flicker filter prevents your tv-out from working?

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Teoz:

laga, well, I don't either, I have 3 bits of observations. IT works with VGa on a monitor. It works with tv out (s-video) from the boot sequence up until the spash screen stops loading. When entering fluxbox OR even when in MythTv, my Tv is all garbleded

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juski:

laga: gf2 & tvout.. in knoppmyth

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Teoz:

I was just supposing that the tvout did a good job until it was, sorta, took over by whatever module in Knoppmyth. Therefore, I'm presuming the problem is in KnoppMyth and someone suggested the flicker thing which doesn't exist on my old gf2 it seems

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laga:

that "someone" guy was most likely wrong

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laga:

i guess the nvidia driver is mis-configured

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laga:

or you're using the wrong one, your card is not supported by current drivers. might have to use the leagcy driver

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Teoz:

GreyFoxx, is a GF5 appropriate?

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Zider:

I believe I used 8776 on my mythbox with gf2mx

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Teoz:

Zider, 8776?

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Zider:

nvidia-driver 1.0.8776

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Teoz:

okay then, I will go try to find that specific driver and install it.. and maybe it will work then

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Zider:

like I said "I believe" ;)

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Zider:

I could be wrong tho

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Zider:

my mythbox is sold now :/

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Teoz:

Zider, built a new one?

[16:38:40]

Zider:

nope

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Teoz:

what nvidia is recommended? GF4?

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Teoz:

why not?

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Zider:

setting up XBMC :/

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Teoz:

from M$?

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Zider:

no, they didn't make it

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Teoz:

open-source project?

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Zider:

I guess.. this isn't the place to discuss it tho

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Teoz:

yeah sorry

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Zider:

I don't mind but others might.. ;)

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Teoz:

last things to ask, does this seem any good to anyone here http://cgi.ebay.ca/NVidia-Compaq-GeForce4-MX4 . . . cmdZViewItem

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juski:

ok.. old vs new default-wide/game-ui.xml here www.juski.co.uk/game.png vs www.juski.co.uk/game1.png

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juski:

GreyFoxx: better, you think ? still gnarly but better IMHO

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juski:

I'll commit it – at least stuff lines up :)

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Teoz:

juski, 2nd was cooler IMHO :P

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juski:

cooler.. pfft. just wait til I'm finished with it in my themes

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Teoz:

in conclusion, I gotta get a GF4, right? right?

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Zider:

Teoz: either an older driver that supports gf2, or a gf4 or better card.. :)

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GreyFoxx:

Teoz: Go for something newer than GF4

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GreyFoxx:

or at least newer than a 440

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GreyFoxx:

a fx5200 or better

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GreyFoxx:

GF4 440 and earlier at no longer officially supported

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Second one definately looks better :)

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Teoz:

so if I get myself a fx5200, I should be more up to date and therefore it should work better and it would mean less annoying questions here :)

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juski:

cool. committed the change

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GreyFoxx:

Teoz: yes :)

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Teoz:

oh what! they are like 100$ ! Damn

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GreyFoxx:

I can buy them local for $40 CDN

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Teoz:

`hey GreyFoxx, the S-video 4 pin business worked as you predicted :)

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Teoz:

where??

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GreyFoxx:

any computer store I walk into

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GreyFoxx:

Or do you mean where am I ?:)

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Teoz:

hmm, I'll go visit my local ones too and stop depending on eBay

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Teoz:

well, where do you live could change the prices :p

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GreyFoxx:

HAlifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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GreyFoxx:

We do NOT get the cheap hardware here :)

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GreyFoxx:

most cost more than if we got it in the US

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Teoz:

well, where do you live could change the prices :p

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GreyFoxx:

"<GreyFoxx> HAlifax, Nova Scotia, Canada"

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Teoz:

ooh you're THERE

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juski:

with regard to a book on qt & c++ would this book be much cop then? http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Bruce-Peren . . . p/0131240722

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juski:

I need something I can keep referring to ask I forget $stuff a lot

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juski:

s/ask/as

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laga:

"The shortcomings are minor. There is no reference portion to the book"

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laga:

well, trolltech has one online, afaik

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juski:

maybe I need a book like "How to program the plugin Juski wants to make in 24 hours"

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laga:

"example source code included"

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juski:

yeah! got the ISBN for that one?

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juski:

;)

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Teoz:

well then, this sucks, my MythTv is paralysed until I get a fx 5200 from eBay or I find a store that still holds them in stock. Store scouting time!

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XLV:

anyone here using mythtv on ubuntu? i tried to use mythbuntu packages, i added mythbuntu repositories, but still i only see the old svn-20070122 version that was initially available in the ubuntu reps

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Teoz:

by SOME chance, a ATI Rage Theater or an ATI 6500 or 9800 pro wouldn'T magically work, would it??

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** juski uses ubuntu on feisty. took wooo about 30 mins to get worky **

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** laga uses feisty on ubuntu **

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juski:

XLV: read the ubuntu community documentation on mythtv

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** juski uses mythtv on feisty even. sheesh. braindump **

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Aquahallic:

is there a readme or howto for purging mythdatabase back to new??

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juski:

find the community docs. read them

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juski:

Aquahallic: flatten it completely?

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Aquahallic:

yup

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juski:

back to a virgin state? you sure?

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Aquahallic:

yup

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Aquahallic:

I gotta reformat my recordings drive

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juski:

drop the mythconverg database, create it again & re-run mythtv-setup

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Aquahallic:

and it's just as easy to start over

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Aquahallic:

yeah that's the howto I'm looking for.

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juski:

but if you do that you'll lose ALL settings – everything!

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Aquahallic:

yup

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Aquahallic:

I'm going to resetup all of it

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juski:

mysql -u mythtv -p$password -e "drop database mythconverg; create database mythconverg;" might work

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juski:

or you could use phpmyadmin to do it

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Aquahallic:

ty

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Aquahallic:

;)

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caitlin:

so, i was using KERNEL=="event*",SYSFS{vendor}=="0x14f1",SYMLINK="input /irremote" to pick out my remote from random boot up sequencing, but i got a second tuner card

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caitlin:

can you advise how to get it to use the physical address on the pci bus, rather than vendor id

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caitlin:

i guess it's just syntax, but my google foo is proving weak

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juski:

heh. is there a #udev channel ?

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caitlin:

maybe there should be

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caitlin:

is this coming up alot then? *why* is noone posting stuff about it i can google then? :P I'll have to blog what i find out

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laga:

the udev guys are too scared

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caitlin:

i'd reboot my box, but we're rather using it for edutainment

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juski:

teh intranets 2.0 .. a collection of vaguely related howto experiences penned in blogs

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caitlin:

whoops

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kormoc:

caitlin, http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#udevinfo

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phlegm:

Anybody know where the official lirc irc channel is? If there is one that us.

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kormoc:

#lirc ?

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phlegm:

freenode?

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kormoc:

try it and see

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phlegm:

Nope

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phlegm:

already did

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juski:

phlegm: maybe they ran away

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phlegm:

Weird lirc prob with myth. When running MODE2 I get range of 30 feet. Whe using a config file with myth or irw I get a range of 3 feet :(

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kormoc:

caitlin, is that link enough to get you going?

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caitlin:

yeh, cheers. i was already on the page, i've written a bunch of rules.

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caitlin:

if i just restart udev is that comparable to rebooting the box?

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kormoc:

for new events, aye

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kormoc:

so if you restart it and rmmod + modprobe, it should work fine

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caitlin:

wicked

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caitlin:

cheers

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kruuli:

can i try a mpeg2 file in mythtv?

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kruuli:

just too see if my setup works

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Brian2:

Hello. I'm looking for the page that tells you how to setup MythTV so that you can access it from any computer on your network.

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fysafysa:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client . . . ;btnG=Search

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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juski:

see "If you're going to have multiple systems accessing a master database, you must grant access to the database from remote systems."

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juski:

and http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1

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juski:

see "If you will be deploying multiple backends, or if your backend is on one system and you're running the frontend on another machine then do not use the "127.0.0.1" IP address."

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XLV:

Brian2, you got to explain what you mean access it from other computers? running multiple backends? set up various recordings etc from another pc? running multiple frontends, but one backend?

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Brian2:

Running multiple frontends from one backend.

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juski:

Brian2: the links I gave you are what you need

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juski:

if you then read those links & still do not understand, THEN ask questions about what you don't get

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Brian2:

Thanks. I think it might work.

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mcquaid:

does mythvideo support srt?

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RyeBrye:

I just installed a new F7 setup – someone mentioned before that livna had all the dependencies so I wont need to use ATRPMs, is this true?

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Anduin:

RyeBrye: probably

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Anduin:

mcquaid: MythVideo isn't a specific player

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RyeBrye:

Is there a list of dependencies I should install somewhere? In the past, I've been spoiled by using 'mythtv-suite' :)

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laga:

hello cesman

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cesman:

hello laga

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, depends for what?

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laga:

it's official now.

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laga:

i love mythtv.

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Anduin:

RyeBrye: You can look at the BuildRequires in the spec from atrpms, not the best check. The Myth readme also has the deps.

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RyeBrye:

kormoc: For a fresh F7 install... Trying to use livna and not atprms to install the deps for MythTV so I don't have a nightmare every time I want to update my system using yum

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, ... the depends depend on what you want to do... what plugins, what plugin options, etc...

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RyeBrye:

Fair enough :)

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mcquaid:

Anduin, yes when i said mythvideo i meant the internal player which uses ffmpeg which i believe supports srt but i'm not sure

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mcquaid:

and i don't see an option to select font/size in setup

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mcquaid:

i have it working for now with xine but was curious if the internal player can

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keith4_:

is there a way to reconcile programs in the database with what's actually on disk?

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Esotericisms:

I could readly use someones help, I am trying to get my Realtek ALC880 onboard sound to work with mythtv ... my audio works just fine, I have tested using speaker-test and everything so I know the alsa drivers are working with the sound card, has anyone had experience trying to get ALC88X working with mythtv?

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, you around?

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laga:

you failed to specify your problem

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kormoc:

Esotericisms, you might want to say what your problem actually is

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keith4_:

try alsa OSS emulation?

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aaaa:

hi.. i am having a problem with mythtv connecting to mysql database

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aaaa:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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aaaa:

mysql5

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kormoc:

aaaa, please read the topic and post more of your log into a pastebin

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aaaa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/570596

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aaaa:

here u go

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Esotericisms:

laga, kormoc, I am sorry, ... my audio just won't work in MythTV

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Esotericisms:

no matter what settings I use in the General->Audio section

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Esotericisms:

I have tried everything I can think of and find in the wiki

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Esotericisms:

KDE sound server is off

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aaaa:

kormoc : whats the issue?

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kormoc:

aaaa, Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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kormoc:

aaaa, might want to set the password correctly

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kormoc:

Esotericisms, and the logs that show things going wrong are at?

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aaaa:

kormoc i did

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kormoc:

aaaa, not according to it you didn't

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aaaa:

ok how can i reset the password

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kormoc:

aaaa, google has thousands of hits on instructions to reset mysql passwords

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aaaa:

its mysql5

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aaaa:

its compatible with mythtv, right

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kormoc:

yes

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Esotericisms:

kormoc, which log would I be looking at ... mythbackend.log doesn't show any errors that I can see related to sound

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kormoc:

Esotericisms, you run the frontend in a termianl and it will output log info to the terminal

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Esotericisms:

so when I try and play a recording i should see any errors? ok .. I will go do that and get back to you

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aaaa:

thanks

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keith4_:

does anyone here have a slave backend?

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kormoc:

keith4_, it's better to just ask your question

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keith4_:

ok

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keith4_:

is 100mbit sufficient for a slave backend with two hardware encoders?

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kormoc:

yes

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keith4_:

excellent

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keith4_:

does the slave backend have to record locally (or nfs, samba, etc) or can it stream to the master backend and have the master write it to disk?

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kormoc:

locally

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keith4_:

thanks kormoc

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kormoc:

np

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Esotericisms:

kormoc, apparently my sound wanted to start working after a reboot, my new problem is I have installed a new graphics card, and there is an onboard card, after this reboot when I try and start x the system crashes

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kormoc:

try diabling the onboard video card?

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Esotericisms:

would that cause fedora to hang completely

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Esotericisms:

ok it is disabled we will give this a go again ... kormoc, any reason why I should have to reinstall the drivers?

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kormoc:

depends if the driver changed

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Esotericisms:

it is still an nvidia chipset

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kormoc:

might need to re-run the x configuration util

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Esotericisms:

the onboard and the new pcie are both nvidia ... old was a 6150 the new 6200le

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one know hot to move the <watermarkimage>watermark/gallery.png</watermarkimage> image location

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ubuntuEdgy:

how*

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Esotericisms:

that did the trick

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Esotericisms:

now my only problem I have left is my remote

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats the prob

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, next time, please read the docs first, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_de . . . enericbutton

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have

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ubuntuEdgy:

i might have missed it

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Esotericisms:

kormoc, you don't happen to use the Niveus remote

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, there is a search function to the wiki that allows one to search for the info they want

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kormoc:

Esotericisms, sorry, I do not

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ubuntuEdgy:

you're very help full kormoc thanks

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Esotericisms:

anyone know how to adjust the horizontal and vertical positions of the output to a tv through svideo with nvidia drivers?

[21:14:03]

Esotericisms:

my dvd playback is really crappy .. any ideas?

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Esotericisms:

clicking and static

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kormoc:

clean the dvd

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Esotericisms:

nm, I have enable bypass for Ac3 and DTS and I disabled it and it fixed it

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Esotericisms:

kormoc, another question whenever I put in a new dvd it doesn't always let me play it

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kormoc:

would need the logs...

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Esotericisms:

from front of backend?

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Esotericisms:

or*

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kormoc:

all plugins are frontend only

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Esotericisms:

ok I will restart mythfront in terminal

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Esotericisms:

could not open /dev/hdb for reading

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Esotericisms:

I think the drive isn't mounting when I put in the cd

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Esotericisms:

er dvd

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Esotericisms:

kormoc, could not open /dev/hdb for reading

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Esotericisms:

is the error

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kormoc:

should likely check the permissions

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Esotericisms:

on the device i would imagine?

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Esotericisms:

:)

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kormoc:

yes

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Esotericisms:

mythtv has rw ... owner is mythtv

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kormoc:

check dmesg output

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Esotericisms:

anything in particular I am looking for?

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kormoc:

errors reading from the device?

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Esotericisms:

none, does mythtv mount the drive or does it rely on the OS to do that?

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kormoc:

dvd's don't get mounted for playback

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Esotericisms:

ok good to knwo

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Esotericisms:

Could not open //dev/hdb with libdvdcss

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Esotericisms:

Can't open //dev/hdb for reading

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Esotericisms:

vm: faild to open/read the DVD

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Esotericisms:

that is the exact error

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Esotericisms:

kormoc, any ideas?

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zambaboo:

hi all!

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Esotericisms:

hello

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zambaboo:

can i run frontend in a windowed mode?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes

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ubuntuEdgy:

u can run it in wondowed mode

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wastrel:

hi

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zambaboo:

where do i set this?

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ubuntuEdgy:

look at the front end setings

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zambaboo:

ok thx

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ubuntuEdgy:

yrwc

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Esotericisms:

well I am completely at a loss ... myth won;t always play dvds, frontend says it can't open the device for reading

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Esotericisms:

ok apparently it can do some dvds and not others

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Esotericisms:

that is confirmed it will read some dvd's but not others

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ubuntuEdgy:

strange bug

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Esotericisms:

really? it isn't an encryption thing?

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Esotericisms:

ubuntuEdgy, really just a strange bug>

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ubuntuEdgy:

i don't think so no.

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ubuntuEdgy:

i could be wrong thou, after all I'm just a noob. and new to the linux world

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Mr_Grieves:

I'm having trouble with the tv listings – the times are off. I've adjusted tthe offset option in mythtv-setup but no matter what I set it as, the times are still 5 hours off. Is there another setting I should adjust?

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Esotericisms:

GreyFoxx, you around?

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ubuntuEdgy:

!seen GreyFox

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MythLogBot:

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Esotericisms:

wrong spelling

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Esotericisms:

!seen GreyFoxx

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MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 5 hours 35 minutes 42 seconds

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zambaboo:

hi again

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Esotericisms:

hello

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zambaboo:

having an issue here, not so much myth related, but sound related.

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zambaboo:

the sound on my ubuntu laptop stopped working. if i play a song and pull the power cord out, i can hear the song for a split second, along with the laptop's 'ac off' notification beep.

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zambaboo:

so i ran alsamixer -V all and unmuted everything i could

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zambaboo:

didnt help, though

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Esotericisms:

make sure the kde sound manager is off

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zambaboo:

gnome

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Esotericisms:

hrm ...

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Esotericisms:

then the gnome sound manager if it has one, which I am sure it does

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zambaboo:

it seems as if the irq is taken or something like that, and when i pull the plug, it gets freed up for a split second.

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ubuntuEdgy:

keep experimenting

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zambaboo:

ubuntuEdgy, what was your suggestion earlier?

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ubuntuEdgy:

about the sound issue ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

Zambaboo about what

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zambaboo:

ubuntuEdgy, oh nm i asked about windowed mode

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keith4_:

can someone recommend minimum hardware for a slave backend with 2 hardware encoders?

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ubuntuEdgy:

zambaboo: its at the front end setup dialogue

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zambaboo:

ubuntuEdgy, yesyes i remember

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zambaboo:

thanks

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zambaboo:

this sound issue is really buggin me

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ubuntuEdgy:

zambaboo: setup, appearance ,next

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ubuntuEdgy:

zambaboo: dose the sound work at all ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

with out having to pull the plug

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zambaboo:

ubuntuEdgy, no, that's the point

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zambaboo:

it's silent

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zambaboo:

when i pull the plug, the machine beeps – and thats when i can hear the song play

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ubuntuEdgy:

what plug

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ubuntuEdgy:

?

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ubuntuEdgy:

ear phones ?

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zambaboo:

power cord

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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kormoc:

hardware is brokeassed

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ubuntuEdgy:

so it the sound worked in winodws

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** ubuntuEdgy presume you used to have xp installed **

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zambaboo:

ubuntuEdgy, probably at some point in this lappy's life. i havent used winders in many years.

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zambaboo:

kormoc, think it's the hw?

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kormoc:

there's not very many other things it can be, given the change based on hardware changes (pulling the plug)

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zambaboo:

i think you might be right

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont think so some how

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keith4_:

is it possible to watch live tv from a slaved backend?

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kormoc:

keith4_, yes

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keith4_:

through the frontend?

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keith4_:

er

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keith4_:

through the master backend?

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, in what fasion does the sound drivers change based on power changes?

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ubuntuEdgy:

it still makes a sound right? and the sound is letting you know the plug has been pulled

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zambaboo:

i think i'll boot up the ubuntu install and see if the sound works there.

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kormoc:

keith4_, the frontend talks to the slave backend and streams from there

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zambaboo:

since its a livecd

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zambaboo:

bbiab

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, you missed an importnat part, no only does it play the sound, it also emptys the buffer (he hears a second of audio or so), which it should be doing already and not

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, so that proves the buffer is getting written to, just not outputed, which is a hardware task

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ubuntuEdgy:

i see

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keith4_:

kormoc: i have 2 tuners in the master backend, and 2 in the slave backend... if i hit 'y' to change tuners in the frontend, it will jump to the other backend?

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kormoc:

in theory, yes

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ubuntuEdgy:

niche huh ?

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keith4_:

that's awesome

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keith4_:

in theory

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ubuntuEdgy:

nice*

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kormoc:

I've never done it personally, but that's how it should work

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ubuntuEdgy:

i don't see why it wouldn't. thou

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one use gimp, i have a really annoying issue with it

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ubuntuEdgy:

guys at #gime are use less

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kormoc:

might want to try #gimp then

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol

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ubuntuEdgy:

that what i mean

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ubuntuEdgy:

can the "lasso tool" be moved. i cant seem to be able to move it to a new area?

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ubuntuEdgy:

its the only thing i miss about photoshop

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keith4_:

you want to move the button?

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kormoc:

he wants to select and move the selection bounds

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keith4_:

oh, transform the *selection*

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ubuntuEdgy:

i found a very good tool

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose the some thing but better :)

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Mr_Grieves:

I'm having problems with the program guide for mythtv. The program data is off by 5 hours. I've tried rerunning mythfilldatabase manually, but it doesn't fix anything. Any ideas?

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kormoc:

set your time zone correctly mr. east coast man

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