Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, June 13th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

save on you bills

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juski:

well, I need it on pretty much 24/7

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

i see, now your making sense

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mattwj2005:

well I dropped down to basic cable today

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mattwj2005:

luckily my HD ota still works :)

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

my bk end just whent off again

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mattwj2005:

yeah I have been experience problems too lately with my computer

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mattwj2005:

so has my dad

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mattwj2005:

what is going on in the world that would cause that?

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mattwj2005:

he is a in another state

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

so have I, things have not been the same, its all very inconsistent

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mattwj2005:

power grid problems?

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mattwj2005:

dare I say electric static pulse technology

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

yeah, sort off

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

juski try this song

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

Layo & Bushwackers – Love Story [vs Finally].mp3

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mattwj2005:

could the heat be causing this problem?

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mattwj2005:

AC kicking on and off?

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mattwj2005:

:S

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

ftp://82.13.245.244/Music/My%20Playlists/Layo & Bushwackers – Love Story [vs Finally].mp3

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

juski^^

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Zider:

I hope that isn't commercial music

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

relax

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Zider:

and what does that mean?

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

let your hair down, its not

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Zider:

good

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

dose that link work

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Zider:

I doubt it, it has spaces and stuff :P

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

his gona have to navigate to that specific song then

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mattwj2005:

I am surprised no one is concerned that a lot of people are having powers randomly shutoff

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juski:

AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: that's years & years old

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

mines is a complicated scrip problem.

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

its for juski lol

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juski:

and the Finally acapella doesn't quite sit on the backing track. the original version of 'Finally' is worth checking out – by The Kings Of Tomorrow

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

so you could down load it fine

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juski:

no I don't download illegal shares of copyrighted music

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

relax

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/btwmusic.png – speaking of music :)

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

will u

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juski:

relax nothing – you're daft publically admitting you're letting people access copyrighted music from your server in a logged channel

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mattwj2005:

emusic has a nice library of mp3's

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mattwj2005:

:)

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mattwj2005:

descent prices

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

coprighted

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

get you facts right

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juski:

AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: that track was commercially released

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mattwj2005:

independant music

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

that track was nuthing but hissing

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

it was a joke

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juski:

yeah right

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

f**K sake

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juski:

tell that to the log

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

relax

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juski:

hey look FCC, MPAA etc.. mythtv users share music..

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mattwj2005:

anyone in the room know Swedish?

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juski:

ffs be careful what you say in a logged channel

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Zider:

mattwj2005: yes

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mattwj2005:

in Swedish bra means good :)

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Zider:

yeps

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mattwj2005:

I am trying to learn it is difficult :S

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

ok juski

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

food for thought :0

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juski:

as mythtv users we have a responsibility to stay on the right side of the law in all parts of the world

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mattwj2005:

Ziders sometimes we should pm

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mattwj2005:

:)

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juski:

especially in a logged channel

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Zider:

mattwj2005: we should? ;)

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mattwj2005:

lol

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** juski books a room for Zider & mattwj2005 **

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Zider:

juski: paid for?

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mattwj2005:

:P

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juski:

you can go dutch as well as swedish :-P

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mattwj2005:

yeah I suck at English....you should see my Swedish ;)

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Zider:

anyhoo, right now I'm off to bed with a nasty headache

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juski:

Zider: is mattwj2005 there already?

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

darn thing has whent of again.

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Zider:

bloody smoking neighbours

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juski:

eh? how can you get a headache from your neighbours smoking?

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mattwj2005:

I want to vacation in Sweden

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Zider:

juski: what, you don't keep track of your own sex slave?

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mattwj2005:

next year :)

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Zider:

juski: the smoke blows in here

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juski:

Zider: eew sucky

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juski:

repay the favour by getting some insect bombs :-P

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Zider:

and it's some nasty brand with very "sharp" smell

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Zider:

combined with this bloody heat and a high blood pressure = headache the size of grand canyon

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

poor zider

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juski:

aww..

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Zider:

I'm just lucky the summer migraines haven't started yet

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Zider:

oh well

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Zider:

'nite all

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Zider:

*collapses*

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juski:

night Zider

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

lol

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

ohh man check this out http://www.autosrapidos.com/superautos/n/niss . . . gtrr3401.jpg

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

beautiful huh

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mattwj2005:

so most Swedish people know English?

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opello:

hads: thanks

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xris:

mattwj2005: many do, esp. younger ones.. that goes for most european/scandinavian countries, too...

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mattwj2005:

okay cool

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juski:

you will be assimilated!

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mattwj2005:

yeah I have a friend that is a native Sweden

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mattwj2005:

:|

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xris:

generally shows how backwards the US educational system is that most americans can barely speak ONE language.

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juski:

I can speak a bit of french when pushed

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mattwj2005:

*gets assimilated by Seven of Nine*

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mattwj2005:

I had two years of Spanish in high school

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xris:

I can get by in spanish (takes a week or two for me to get back up to speed), italian (from spanish), portuguese (mostly only written, from spanish), and speak a little german, too.

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juski:

don't forget php!

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mattwj2005:

hablo espanol mal

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mattwj2005:

yeah I wish I was that way :(

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xris:

juski: I had some guy put down "Russian" as a programming language on his resume. turns out there's an actual programming language with that name.

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** juski chuckles **

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xris:

mattwj2005: I grew up in peru. helps when you're bilingual as a child.

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xris:

made picking up (and remembering) German a lot easier.

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mattwj2005:

indeed

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juski:

blootube-wide is getting near a state where it could be considered check-in-able

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mattwj2005:

you have an mock ups juski?

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mattwj2005:

*any

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xris:

juski: cool

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xris:

juski: btw, been meaning to speak with you about adding theme-version tags into theme files.

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xris:

possibly via some sort of meta.xml file in the theme dir to hold stuff like aspect ratio, etc.

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

check this out guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_n-LS-vsAQ

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mattwj2005:

wow that is messed up

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mattwj2005:

I just kind of watched a video over tightvnc :|

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jusk1:

eeew dear

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mattwj2005:

I forgot I was logged in remotely :)

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jusk1:

my system isn't very well. blootube-wide is killing it. I'm gonna have to upgrade it to a newer version of -fixes soon

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

what you think

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jusk1:

well that box is locked up hard :-|

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

hows it killing it

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xris:

well, my new mythbox officially has hard drives.

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xris:

now if only it had anything ELSE...

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jusk1:

how? until recently mythfrontend didn't use memory as efficiently as it does now, and blootube-wide is a big theme in memory at 1280x720 resolution – and when you only have 512MB to play with.. oops

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

ahhh

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

its demanding skin.

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

i mean theme

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

sorry juski

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juski:

that's better

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juski:

oh man this box is swapping like crazy

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mattwj2005:

on crap

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mattwj2005:

any error messages on the console?

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juski:

nope. it just doesn't have enough memory

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juski:

now the bulk of the work is done I can just scale it down & use a 16:9 res lower than 1280x720

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mattwj2005:

oh okay :)

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mattwj2005:

now if you could explain computer problems everywhere lately

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mattwj2005:

I would greatly appreciate it

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juski:

aliens!

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mattwj2005:

:P

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mattwj2005:

I am wondering if I should look for a power line conditioner

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mattwj2005:

something beyond a surger protector

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mattwj2005:

*surge

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juski:

see now I've reduced the size of mythfrontend to 1000x568 it's very responsive

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

gd night

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node_6:

hey all. I'm looking for a good tv/video capture card... external (usb) if possible

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mattwj2005:

if you want US HDTV only let me know I have an awesome solution

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node_6:

nah... just 3 channel, regular country tv + vcr tape input

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mattwj2005:

on okay :)

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mtnbkr-laptop:

hellow everyone. Is anyone here familiar enough with minimyth to help me out with a 2nd diskless PXE-boot minimyth frontend?

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juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: I'll have a go

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juski:

you got one working though so a 2nd shouldn't be too hard :-P

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mtnbkr-laptop:

Hi again juski... thanks her eit is in a nutshell...

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hads:

I'm thinking about switching to a full distro NFS root instead of minimyth to ease the compilation stage.

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juski:

hads: I've been tempted to do that myself

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mtnbkr-laptop:

the first one is working because it's minimyth.conf file is in the /PXEClient/conf/default directory under the tftproot dir. however, this box is connected to a TV with an RCA connector so I need to make some minor changes in the minimyth.conf file

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juski:

not ubuntu though takes too damn long to boot

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hads:

juski: I did a debootstrap and setup a full distro ready for myth in about 20 minutes lastnight.

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juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: easy. instead of using the dir name 'default' you can have a dir with the mac id of the other unit ;)

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mtnbkr-laptop:

the docs I have says minimyth.conf should either be in a dir called default (which worked when I had one FE) or under a dir named afterd the box's mac address.

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juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: you'd need to have 2 dirs then – each one using the mac ids of the machines

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juski:

hads: really? wow

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mtnbkr-laptop:

it is not working,.... I tried caps and no caps in the MAC address in case that mattered. the messages file on the box just shows "no minimyht.conf found

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juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: try asking on the forum. Pablo is usually very quick to respond if nobody else jumps in

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hads:

juski: Yeah, I haven't booted it yet which I'm sure will take some time to get the kinks sorted out but so far it's been easy as.

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hads:

I leave the box on so boot time doesn't really worry me.

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mtnbkr-laptop:

Ok, I was typing a message there and figured I would look around first and thought I found my answer – which is exactly what you told me – so I will go back and finish the post. THANKS again.

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juski:

hads: quick boot time is handy incase of the occasional crash tho

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hads:

juski: True, but I figure a full distro will be easy to ssh in and fix things than minimyth so won't need to reboot for as many things. Besides, I don't find boot speed on Ubuntu that slow anyway.

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hads:

Mmm, lunchtime.

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juski:

was well over a minute when i tried it on edgy

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hads:

*shrug* :)

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juski:

plus it was a silent boot after POST until X started :(

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juski:

at least on the TV out anyway

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hads:

That's no fun.

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phlegm:

Question for the Myth gods. I'm getting double keypresses from lirc. Using ircevent in my config file. Could Myth be picking it up as well as irxevent and that's causing the double hit from my remote?

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juski:

phlegm: could be

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phlegm:

If I disable lirc support will it still pick up the irxevent sent?

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sphery:

phlegm: only if you configured a lircrc with program = mythtv

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phlegm:

disable when compiling myth that is

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phlegm:

I tried that but pick up nothing.

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sphery:

Sounds like you might be using kernel "keyboard" remote support and LIRC.

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phlegm:

Nope. I have an rf keyboard.

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sphery:

that would also prevent program = mythtv from working properly

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phlegm:

I have this cheese ir reciever. Tekram.

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sphery:

which remote

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phlegm:

sony

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sphery:

what LIRC remote module

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phlegm:

tried messing with the delay and repeat settings in .lircrc

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phlegm:

sucks when you back out from a show and it backs right out to the main menu.

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phlegm:

lirc_sir lirc_dev

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mattwj2005:

hey has anyone heard they can make heron out of cheese?

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phlegm:

heh. Saw that on CNN. It's just heroin. Cheap so the kids are doing it.

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sphery:

phlegm: do you have the kernel IRDA modules installed, also? That would break LIRC. I.e. something like smc-ircc

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sphery:

Or whatever depending on your IRDA device

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mattwj2005:

yeah it is crazy

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mattwj2005:

oh crap the new meth

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phlegm:

Scary.

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phlegm:

snd_pcm_oss 40512 1

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phlegm:

snd_mixer_oss 15008 2 snd_pcm_oss

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phlegm:

snd_seq_oss 30784 0

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phlegm:

snd_seq_midi_event 6112 1 snd_seq_oss

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phlegm:

snd_seq 48112 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event

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phlegm:

lirc_sir 15200 0

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phlegm:

lirc_dev 12500 1 lirc_sir

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phlegm:

snd_via82xx 22772 2

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phlegm:

snd_ac97_codec 92640 1 snd_via82xx

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phlegm:

snd_ac97_bus 1824 1 snd_ac97_codec

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hads:

This is not a pastebin

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phlegm:

snd_pcm 70856 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec

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phlegm:

snd_timer 19780 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm

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sphery:

pastebin would be good

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phlegm:

snd_page_alloc 7720 2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm

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phlegm:

snd_mpu401_uart 6688 1 snd_via82xx

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phlegm:

pwc 92032 1

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phlegm:

snd_rawmidi 19968 1 snd_mpu401_uart

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sphery:

pastebin

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phlegm:

snd_seq_device 6444 3 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi

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sphery:

pastebin

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phlegm:

snd 43908 11 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_via82xx,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm ,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device

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juski:

pastebin!

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phlegm:

joydev 8000 0

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mattwj2005:

don't get ignored it sucks ;)

[01:35:46]

phlegm:

sorry.....

[01:35:53]

phlegm:

:(

[01:35:55]

juski:

kickban!

[01:36:06]

juski:

!topic

[01:36:06]

hads:

Don't do that in IRC. Anywhere.

[01:36:09]

mattwj2005:

give him a break once

[01:36:19]

juski:

mattwj2005: no, it's in the topic

[01:36:39]

sphery:

phlegm: Don't see any modules that would be an issue. May be your lircrc.

[01:36:46]

phlegm:

Sheesh...... I've been irc'ing since pre web days. Just not in a few years. people are picky now. :)

[01:36:59]

phlegm:

sphery: I'll paste it ... heh

[01:37:01]

mattwj2005:

okay your guys choice

[01:37:07]

mattwj2005:

I am not ignoring him

[01:37:44]

juski:

some networks auto kickban for a flood like that, so folks here are lucky ;)

[01:38:19]

mattwj2005:

hehe

[01:38:29]

mattwj2005:

I am watching Cheers

[01:38:40]

sphery:

Norm!

[01:38:47]

mattwj2005:

they are talking about how great it is to get 60 channels :P

[01:39:00]

phlegm:

Been a Myth user for a bunch of years and have 2 frontends, 2 laptops and a backend hooked up to a 110 inch projector if that helps.

[01:39:12]

Beirdo:

I like Beavis & Butthead's take on many channels...

[01:39:17]

mattwj2005:

dang phlegm

[01:39:22]

Beirdo:

we got 250 channels, and they are all crap!

[01:39:36]

mattwj2005:

I am paying only $15 per month

[01:39:42]

mattwj2005:

only like 15 or 20 channels

[01:39:50]

mattwj2005:

more money for fun and chicks :)

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sphery:

I have 30 OTA digital channels and only watch shows on 7 of them.

[01:40:19]

phlegm:

heh we're paying over $200 here for cable and 11mb internet

[01:40:20]

mattwj2005:

dvb-s?

[01:40:23]

sphery:

(some are subchannels, obviously)

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mattwj2005:

8 Mbps Internet

[01:40:32]

mattwj2005:

$53

[01:40:46]

DrMitch:

anyone know of any reason why my audio sometimes works on some channels and then when i change the channel, the audio doesn't ever start?

[01:40:49]

phlegm:

11..... $75

[01:40:54]

juski:

there are only about 3 or 4 channels out of more than 300 in the UK that have _anything_ worth watching on them

[01:41:14]

sphery:

DrMitch: stops working when you change to a 32kHz channel?

[01:41:15]

mattwj2005:

I can't wait until FiOS comes to the area :)

[01:41:28]

DrMitch:

umm, how do i tell if it's a 32kHz channel?

[01:41:39]

sphery:

juski: How can they fit 300 channels in such a small country? :)

[01:41:48]

juski:

sphery: dunno but they do

[01:41:58]

sphery:

DrMitch: is it always the same channels that are missing audio?

[01:42:06]

mattwj2005:

UK is a people of art

[01:42:07]

DrMitch:

i think so

[01:42:11]

mattwj2005:

literature

[01:42:14]

mattwj2005:

and music

[01:42:18]

mattwj2005:

they have a lot to say

[01:42:28]

sphery:

DrMitch: What audio device have you configured Myth to use?

[01:42:41]

DrMitch:

alsa:default

[01:42:58]

sphery:

Do you have an ALSA config file (~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf)?

[01:43:01]

juski:

mattwj2005: and reality TV, shopping, commercial musak channels, religion, shopping, phone-in quizzes, reality TV, shopping, phone-in quizzes..

[01:43:31]

mattwj2005:

I hope to go to the UK eventually

[01:43:33]

DrMitch:

yes i do, and slave { has rate 48000

[01:43:35]

mattwj2005:

Sweden first :)

[01:43:44]

juski:

mattwj2005: I hoep to leave the UK eventuallt

[01:43:51]

juski:

*eventually. it sucks here

[01:43:57]

mattwj2005:

why?

[01:44:03]

juski:

taxes

[01:44:10]

sphery:

DrMitch: And you have a pcm.!default { ... } section, right?

[01:44:19]

DrMitch:

yes

[01:44:22]

mattwj2005:

yeah I don't recommend the US

[01:44:27]

juski:

crime, lack of a decent criminal justice system..

[01:44:29]

sphery:

Using digital audio?

[01:44:30]

mattwj2005:

our president is an a**

[01:44:47]

juski:

mattwj2005: and our dictator does what that asshole says to do

[01:44:57]

DrMitch:

i don't think so, don't remember, kinda just copied and pasted to get dmix working

[01:45:10]

juski:

I can't complain. i voted for the c***

[01:45:14]

mattwj2005:

yo hablos espanol mal

[01:45:24]

mattwj2005:

maybe Mexico is a good place to go :)

[01:45:26]

DrMitch:

shall i post my asound.conf?

[01:45:36]

mattwj2005:

no more freckin' snow :)

[01:45:59]

juski:

mattwj2005: or just any island where the lazy days are long & the glasses are longer

[01:46:03]

sphery:

If you're not using digital audio output, you should be able to just remove your ALSA config file (rename to something else in case).

[01:46:10]

mattwj2005:

indeed

[01:46:24]

DrMitch:

but then i won't get dmix will I?

[01:46:41]

sphery:

If you are using digital audio output, my recommendation is to use the ALSA config at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound .

[01:46:53]

juski:

I'd like to lie shipwrecked & comatose drinking fresh mango juice – goldfishes nibbling at my toes.. (etc)

[01:47:10]

mattwj2005:

or we could go the other direction

[01:47:13]

mattwj2005:

Canada

[01:47:24]

mattwj2005:

go up north enough no one around to bug you :)

[01:47:30]

juski:

hey I'm all for that.

[01:47:34]

juski:

eh

[01:47:37]

juski:

;)

[01:47:43]

mattwj2005:

lol

[01:47:45]

mattwj2005:

:)

[01:47:47]

mattwj2005:

;)

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sphery:

Since ALSA 1.0.9, all ALSA drivers for sound cards that require software mixing automatically use dmix for the default device (called "default"), so if you don't override that device (as your asoundrc does), you'll get dmix.

[01:47:57]

sphery:

Sounds like you're not getting dmix now, though.

[01:48:06]

sphery:

Which is why you're having this issue.

[01:48:31]

phlegm:

mattwj2005: Yaaay Canada

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mattwj2005:

I'll just have to remember no too play the blame canada from the south park movie :-P

[01:49:29]

** sphery hopes he doesn't have to get into details about ALSA conf because he'll get too spun up about all the misinformation on the wiki/lists... **

[01:49:29]

juski:

what are you talkin aboot?

[01:50:03]

juski:

sphery: you still not put the wiki right? eee i dunno

[01:50:54]

sphery:

Everytime I've corrected anything on the wiki, someone promptly uncorrects it for me. People focus on the leaves and don't realize they're in a forest...

[01:51:14]

sphery:

I think juski is trying to get me spun up about it... :)

[01:51:28]

Beirdo:

hehe

[01:51:39]

Beirdo:

but it's fun getting all spun up

[01:52:10]

sphery:

Only with the proper beverages available for spin down... And I don't have those beverages here.

[01:52:15]

juski:

sphery: that's what the trout is for

[01:52:25]

juski:

!trout wiki liars

[01:52:25]

** MythLogBot slaps wiki with a liars trout on behalf of juski... **

[01:52:32]

Beirdo:

hehehe

[01:52:39]

sphery:

thanks juski

[01:53:22]

juski:

I swear I am going to find the guy who put the trans- image stuff in the UI code and .. and.. ask him why he did it

[01:53:25]

sphery:

(although to their credit, I wouldn't call them liars--just confused enough to think it's a lot simpler than it is :)

[01:53:35]

sphery:

What is that about, anyway?

[01:53:47]

sphery:

I'm always seeing missing trans-whatever images in my logs...

[01:53:48]

juski:

you specify n image called box.png and the theme goes looking for trans-box.png in some places

[01:54:02]

sphery:

transparent?

[01:54:04]

juski:

sphery: not in my themes I hope

[01:54:25]

juski:

sphery: I've no idea what it's all about but I hope to reverse it one day

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DrMitch:

k, i mv asound.conf to a backup file, but still no audio

[01:54:32]

** sphery confesses he's been too lazy to switch themes since gbee's memory usage fix **

[01:54:41]

sphery:

I'm still on Minimalist-wide

[01:54:55]

juski:

I say use thisbox.png, so don't look for trans-thisbox.png, you undocumented feature you!

[01:55:07]

sphery:

(on which, BTW, I had to increase the width of the clock container to 400 for my date format--a long one)

[01:56:02]

juski:

you guys with your crazy "the year of our lord, twelvety minutes past the saint's hour of ten..."

[01:56:03]

sphery:

I would guess Myth has far more undocumented features than documented ones. :) (No disrespect to Robert K.--he does great at an impossible job.)

[01:56:06]

juski:

date formats

[01:56:23]

sphery:

twelvety... rotfl

[01:56:36]

juski:

it's not so much a feature as a part of the UI code

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mattwj2005:

at least he doesn't have a McJob ;)

[01:57:04]

juski:

it's pissing me off enough for me to seriously consider changing ti

[01:57:06]

juski:

*it

[01:57:23]

sphery:

True. Another impossible job. Billions served. Billions more to serve, and the original billions want more.

[01:57:29]

mattwj2005:

McJobs suck I know first hand

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spader3d:

hi all

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juski:

my job's a bit of a mcjob – but I'm too good at it to be allowed to progress apparently :(

[01:58:12]

sphery:

I vote change it--if nothing else because there seem to be a lot of missing trans images, so they must not be too important.

[01:58:13]

spader3d:

how do i change my recorded files from nuv to mpg?

[01:58:28]

sphery:

nuvexport?

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mattwj2005:

my job isn't but I have had a lot of jobs that were

[01:59:07]

juski:

eeks.. 3am. think I'd better head to bed

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Beirdo:

go to McBed :)

[01:59:47]

juski:

sphery: put all the missing images from your log on a ticket & I'll fix the theme :-P

[01:59:58]

mattwj2005:

I tend to have McGirlfriends :P

[02:00:09]

** juski goes to bedski **

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Captain_Murdoch:

mattwj2005: if they truly served Billions, then most people just call them sluts... :)

[02:00:54]

mattwj2005:

lol

[02:00:58]

mattwj2005:

good point hehe

[02:01:20]

mattwj2005:

if they have never served anyone run and hide too ;)

[02:01:56]

sphery:

juski: You sure you want the extra work?

[02:02:10]

sphery:

I'll get you a list.

[02:02:36]

spader3d:

i get a blank screen on my mediamvp and think it is because the files format are *.nuv

[02:02:51]

spader3d:

how do ichange to mpeg-1?

[02:03:10]

spader3d:

or mpeg-2?

[02:03:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

mythtv can't currently create mpeg-[12] files when doing software encoding.

[02:03:42]

sphery:

You'll have to transcode it. I think you'll have to use nuvexport (but I don't know as all my capture cards have always produced MPEG-2).

[02:04:10]

sphery:

Your best bet--if you're using a MediaMVP--is to get an MPEG-2-producing card, like the Hauppauge PVR-150.

[02:04:29]

DrMitch:

wtf, tvtime doesn't get sound from those channels either

[02:04:29]

spader3d:

the trancode option is accessed through the mythtvsetup?

[02:05:01]

sphery:

DrMitch: If it's your ALSA config, nothing will give you sound with those channels.

[02:05:14]

spader3d:

i can play the nuv file on the mediamvp with vlc

[02:05:22]

DrMitch:

i deleted my asound.conf

[02:05:36]

sphery:

spader3d: The built-in transcoding will always use an NUV container format (unless you have MPEG-2 and do MPEG-2 to MPEG-2 "lossless" transcoding).

[02:06:11]

sphery:

nuvexport is an external script – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexport

[02:07:22]

** sphery won't mention that Captain_Murdoch is considering working on/has done some work on allowing transcoding to MPEG streams (since it's not even in trunk, yet) **

[02:07:44]

mattwj2005:

well I got to go

[02:07:58]

mattwj2005:

as always thanks for the good chat :)

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sphery:

DrMitch: No sound from those channels with no asoundrc?

[02:08:21]

sphery:

later mattwj2005

[02:08:22]

DrMitch:

correct

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[02:08:28]

DrMitch:

think it's a driver bug?

[02:08:52]

sphery:

You're sure there's not also an /etc/asound.conf?

[02:09:45]

sphery:

And you're restarting the ALSA client (i.e. mythfrontend or tvtime) after removing the ALSA config file?

[02:10:17]

DrMitch:

did

[02:10:30]

sphery:

What sound card?

[02:11:10]

DrMitch:

built in – intel8x0 driver

[02:11:20]

DrMitch:

lemme find out

[02:11:51]

DrMitch:

sis ac97

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sphery:

intel8x0 is definitely a software sound card--requires 48kHz audio and software mixing. Was the asoundrc...

[02:13:04]

sphery:

Hmmm. So, sis ac97 or intel8x0

[02:13:51]

DrMitch:

well lspci says multimedia audio controller silicon integrated systems[ sis] ac97

[02:14:00]

DrMitch:

but snd_intel8x0 is loaded

[02:14:14]

DrMitch:

as is snd_ac97_codec

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sphery:

Oh. OK. I thought you found some sound driver I had never heard of.

[02:14:26]

DrMitch:

hehe

[02:14:29]

sphery:

That's the one I started to talk about.

[02:14:55]

DrMitch:

so i needed my asound.conf?

[02:14:56]

sphery:

So, if those channels are using 32kHz audio, you /must/ use the plug plugin to do automatic rate conversion.

[02:15:23]

sphery:

The default device will already do that for you (as well as dmix) if you don't re-define it.

[02:15:25]

DrMitch:

is that the dmix crap that i deleted?

[02:15:44]

sphery:

No, dmix allows more than one app to send sound to the card at once.

[02:16:13]

WattoDaToydarian:

janneg: With this new ffmpeg sync you did, the ac3 decoder sounds like the sound it going through a table fan.

[02:16:19]

sphery:

Without it, you'd watch an hour of TV, then upon exiting the show, you'd hear all the beeps, clicks, and other noises from other programs all played back one after the other... Really annoying.

[02:16:23]

DrMitch:

well is it normal for dmix to be working even if i don't have asound.conf (or asoundrc)? cause i deleted the file and i can still play more than 1 mp3 at once

[02:16:39]

sphery:

Yes. WIth ALSA >= 1.0.9

[02:16:43]

DrMitch:

ah, okay

[02:17:41]

sphery:

But, if the dmix is working and you have no asoundrc (meaning you're using the driver-defined default device, not an overridden definition of default), and you don't get sound on those channels, I'm thinking it's not your sound config.

[02:17:53]

sphery:

So, let's try going to one of those channels and hitting the + key

[02:17:59]

sphery:

(to choose the next audio channel)

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k-man:

hello all

[02:18:38]

k-man:

anyone here running myth under lenny/testing debian?

[02:18:54]

DrMitch:

+ key does nothing

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sphery:

I don't even know lenny.

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DrMitch:

lenny and i were buddies once

[02:19:16]

DrMitch:

until he slept with my girlfriend

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sphery:

Hmmm. Any messages in the frontend log file when you change to those channels.

[02:19:40]

DrMitch:

non at all

[02:19:57]

sphery:

k-man: Having issues or just looking to see if someone has already blazed the trail?

[02:20:19]

sphery:

DrMitch: You don't have AC-3 passthrough enabled, do you?

[02:20:25]

DrMitch:

lemme check

[02:20:40]

sphery:

"Enable AC3 to SPDIF passthrough"

[02:20:51]

DrMitch:

negative

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k-man:

looking to see if the trail is blazed

[02:21:08]

sphery:

cool. good luck.

[02:21:26]

k-man:

sphery, i want to update to the latest myth debs, but it requires fairly major updateing of my debian system

[02:21:38]

k-man:

sphery, so i'm just wondering if its worth the efford

[02:21:40]

k-man:

effort

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my2keh:

anyone here use DVB?

[02:23:37]

DrMitch:

whoa, i just pressed volume up and it changed from 73% to 75% and now i hear volume

[02:23:41]

DrMitch:

errr. audio

[02:23:42]

DrMitch:

wtf

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WattoDaToydarian:

my2keh: I do

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sphery:

Wow. Perhaps just a very low volume on those channels?

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my2keh:

WattoDaToydarian >> Do you use a Diseqc switch?

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DrMitch:

but now i do it on the next, and it doesn't work

[02:24:38]

DrMitch:

this is so confusing!

[02:24:38]

WattoDaToydarian:

my2keh: no I receive my channels over the air

[02:24:51]

my2keh:

ahhh darn

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sphery:

DrMitch: what capture card?

[02:25:19]

DrMitch:

don't ask me that. some cheapo one that i can't remember. hold on, lemme find the newegg email

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DrMitch:

ah ha, Hauppauge WINTV-44801

[02:29:22]

DrMitch:

18 bucks

[02:29:32]

DrMitch:

i spend the big bucks

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sphery:

So, it's a software encoder.

[02:29:49]

DrMitch:

indeed

[02:30:00]

sphery:

Some of them have issues where they mute the capture card on channel change.

[02:30:26]

DrMitch:

now i lost audio on that channel where i got the audio

[02:30:35]

DrMitch:

what key is to unmute audio? M?

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sphery:

It's not muted in Myth, it's muted in the capture card.

[02:31:22]

sphery:

You'd need to unmute it with v4lctl

[02:31:27]

sphery:

I don't know the syntax.

[02:31:39]

sphery:

I'd use v4lctl to find out if it's muted when you get no audio

[02:31:51]

sphery:

if so, then you can set up a channel change script to unmute it for you.

[02:32:15]

sphery:

Something like http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/153008#153008

[02:33:47]

wastrel:

my replaytv died :p

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sphery:

DrMitch: There may be an easier way... There's a setting in the V4L capture card controls called "Do not adjust volume". If you enable that, you may be able to just write a script that sets the capture card volume (and mute) appropriately on boot and Myth might not mess with it.

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sphery:

But I don't know if it only affects volume or if it will affect the mute issue, too.

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DrMitch:

negative

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DrMitch:

wtf, this was all working fine. maybe i should recompiling the driver with a new kernel

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DrMitch:

thanks for your help sphery

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sphery:

Sorry I wasn't really any help.

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DrMitch:

i gots to sleep so i'm not all tired-y for work

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sphery:

Good luck with it.

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DrMitch:

thxn

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john__:

does anyone have any hints on how to get an MCEv2 remote working?

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john__:

I've tried a few things from the internet but I get nothing out of it

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wastrel:

hrm i have forgotten to get a remote for my system

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jonesy_:

does anyone have any ideas about this?: If I schedule a recording, when it is due to record, the status page will say: tuner 1 is is recording BLAH...

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jonesy_:

but no file is ever created

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jonesy_:

there is no error in the log, and when I try to debug with strace, I see that there is not even a system call trying to open a file to write to

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Anduin:

jonesy_: -v all (or most), it is very hard for there to be nothing in the log

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pike_:

my hdhomerun is arriving tomorrow :) i guess i should have asked before but do you guys have a good opinion of the device?

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jonesy_:

2007-06–13 13:20:25.968 Started recording: National Press Club Address "Warren Truss, Minister for Trade": channel 1022 on cardid 1, sourceid 1

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jonesy_:

that's where the recording starts, and after that, just general sql statements, no errors

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fadumpt:

jonesy_, do you think it might be a rights issue?

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fadumpt:

maybe your user for mythtv doesn't have the permission to create any files

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jonesy_:

the directory is owned by the mythtv user, and it creates the nfslock file fine...

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jonesy_:

2007-06–13 13:20:25.876 TVRec(1): StartedRecording(0x81dc8e0) fn(/data/myth/1022_20070613132000.mpg)

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jonesy_:

sorry, just noticed that

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jonesy_:

doesn't seem to be an error though

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mchou:

jonesy_: are you a policy wonk?

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jonesy_:

haha, no, no selinux

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jonesy_:

is that what you were asking?

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mchou:

jonesy_: why are you recording National Press Club?

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wastrel:

trade

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jonesy_:

because it's on right now, and I want to record something right now to test ;)

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mchou:

lol

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jonesy_:

it will be duly deleted

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mchou:

watching National Press Club is like watching paint dry

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Anduin:

jonesy_: most should remove the DB cruft, there is also -v record,channel

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wastrel:

i'm sleepy

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jonesy_:

ok, I'll try that, cheers

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mchou:

So who watched the Sopranos finale?

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Anduin:

11.x million

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mchou:

the only thing that was missing in the final scene was the subway screeching sound that was in Godfather when Al Pacino character was about to shoot the crooked cop

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mchou:

that would have been paying homage

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jonesy_:

2007-06–13 13:29:55.019 Preview Error: Previewer file '/data/myth/1022_20070613133000.mpg' is not valid.

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mchou:

and would have increased the tension even more

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jonesy_:

that's the only error I'm seeing, and that's when mythweb tries to make a preview for a file that doesn't exist...

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Anduin:

jonesy_: Yeah, doesn't really give anything useful

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ffish-:

I've seen this question asked before, but not really answered: why has auto-transcoding stopped working recently?

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de-v:

someone broke something? ;P

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ffish-:

best I can figure

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ffish-:

Everything was fine until I upgraded to the -157 packages

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mchou:

lol

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ffish-:

now I have to run the transcoder manually

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mchou:

then downgrade

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mchou:

aint exactly rocket science

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ffish-:

holy @#$#@ mchou! why didn't I think of that before!! brilliant!!

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de-v:

mchou: have you screwed around with an hdhomerun with myth?

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ffish-:

now does anyone actually have a decent answer?

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de-v:

well that is ;\ or check the logs

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mchou:

ffish-: that is the most decent answer

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ffish-:

de-v: I set '-v all' in the mythbackend script and dug through the resulting logs

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mchou:

ffish-: hy you persist in using broken shit is a real mystery

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mchou:

why*

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ffish-:

best I can figure is that it doesn't even try to insert the transcoding job into the job queue

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mchou:

de-v: nope

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de-v:

mchou: do you know anyone who has on here?

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mchou:

de-v: you have HDhomerun?

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mchou:

nope, haven't been following the channel

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de-v:

no, but im looking to buy one

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ffish-:

mchou: because I figured someone here would actually have a lucid answer on how to fix it

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mchou:

de-v: from where?

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ffish-:

before going through ATRpms dependency hell

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mchou:

ffish-: go ask in the dev channel if you wanna fix

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de-v:

friend did last week, decent myth setup like mine, but he got the homerun, then figured he would upgrade everything, was a ways behind, is now picking up the peices.

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de-v:

so he doesnt have a good perspective of it with myth at present :)

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mchou:

ffish-: you'll get the same answer there, I guarantee it

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mchou:

de-v: well, myth upgrades are not to be taken lightly :0

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de-v:

i know, he knows, but why he decided to do it right after getting it (tuesday) is beyond me

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ffish-:

mchou: but apparently downgrades are a walk in the park

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mchou:

de-v: cause he was impatient :)

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de-v:

im at least running -fixes from september 06, and they're stable, believe -fixes from that date can do the homerun with no problems

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de-v:

plug and pray into the second nic on my masterbackend :)

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mchou:

ffish-: downgrades are a walk in the park by comparison

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mchou:

de-v: hdhomerun is just mpeg over ip, no?

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de-v:

yeah, dual hdtv tuner.. unencrypted and ota

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de-v:

seems like a decent hdtv solution for at least east coast people..

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de-v:

cheap too

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mchou:

de-v: which city you live in?

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de-v:

supposedly more reliable than firewire

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de-v:

by nyc

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mchou:

de-v: firewire has been pretty reliable for me, but I live on West Coast

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mchou:

de-v: you are screwed by cable

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de-v:

renting the cable boxes sucks

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mchou:

I lived in NYC and cable there sucks

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de-v:

not with the homerun. 2 hdtv tuners on uncrupted broadcast which is all chans except ppv/premium

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de-v:

and only 169$

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de-v:

i have cablevision, its decent

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de-v:

they dont assrape too bad.

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mchou:

de-v: lemme get this straight, time warner doesn't encrypt the premium HD channels??

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de-v:

dunno about time warner, i dont have them

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mchou:

de-v: ok, nm, you have cablevision

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de-v:

yup

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de-v:

brb

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pike_:

de-v: any complaints on homrun? got one coming tomorrow

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** pike_ sighs **

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mchou:

haha!!

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mchou:

I dunno, conceptually HDHomerun should be easier than firewire

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mchou:

to get working

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pike_:

soo i was planning on an antenna but sounds like i might be able to use regular cable box. im sure it wont be too bad. if i can get myth running on freebsd anything is possible :)

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pike_:

regular cable not cable box..

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quink:

is there a way to amke xine not modify its config file when you run it?

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pike_:

chmod -r ? :)

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pike_:

er -w

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Phantom1000:

Quink: change permissions?

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squishy:

Hello, I had mythtv working perfectly and for some reason after the last time I rebooted when I open up the frontend it opens like its the first time and ask for the contry and goes through the 2 configuration screens, after that it just closes...

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quink:

Phantom1000: yeah but if its clobbering the config file i doubt it'll use what i set properly then.

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jonesy_:

ah, I thkn I know what I've done: My second tuner is working, so I think that when I had to reconnect my antenna connections, I must've looped dvb0 back into itself :S

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jonesy_:

I'll confirm when I get home from work

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jonesy_:

Thanks for the assistance guys

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Phantom1000:

quink: I haven't played with xine in a while., But if you change the write permissions on the config file to read only and the ownership to root, I don't see how the xine could modify the file.

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Phantom1000:

Providing your not running xine from root

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quink:

Phantom1000: true. but if its wanting to modify the file, then even if i lock it out, i doubt it'd bother to read the file

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Phantom1000:

quink: what have you got to lose from trying?

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quink:

Phantom1000: well the computer is downstairs. and i'm lazy

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quink:

Been trying to get xine to pipe ac3 data to my receiver, with no luck

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squishy:

any idea why the frontend would close after the configuration screen?

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dwbell:

I just setup my 1st mythbox yesterday and I can't figure out how to watch recorded shows that have been transcoded.

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dwbell:

I've noticed they move to the 'previously recorded' menu but I don't see an option to watch them there.

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cesman:

my question would be, transcoded to what?

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cesman:

what method are you using to transcode?

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cesman:

if it is a script, is the script moving the files?

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dwbell:

maybe I don't know enough to be asking this question yet. In the watch recordings menu option I selected a show and one option was 'transcode'

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cesman:

and, are you filtering your view?

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dwbell:

It would have been transcoded to the default, If I remember correct xvid.

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cesman:

by default, MythTV doesn't transcode to xvid

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dwbell:

to the best of my knowledge I'm not filtering anything

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cesman:

Media Library > Watch Recordings

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cesman:

press 'M'

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cesman:

change group filter

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cesman:

should be 'all programs'

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dwbell:

checked settings and the 'default transcoder' option is set to autodetect!?!

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dwbell:

thanks they're showing up now... I've got a lot to learn... hope my wife is patient!

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cesman:

you're welcome

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dwbell:

I'm sure I'll be back.

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RyeBrye:

My databse seems to have gotten hosed

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RyeBrye:

How can I rebuild it?

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RyeBrye:

My list of recorded shows is empty, but the files are on the disk and the auto expire list shows them in queue to be expired...

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RyeBrye:

arg

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Dibblah:

"Heh. Can someone help me diagnose my occasional signal problems? This is my antenna:"

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Dibblah:

http://www.microwaves101.com/content/images/M . . . ll_small.jpg

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Dagmar:

bwahahaha

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Dagmar:

I'm guessing the signal is relatively stable on windless days

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Dibblah:

Also depends on wind direction... Some people just shouldn't be let near microwaves :)

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kingborel:

is there a command line switch that i can use to return the value of $time?

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hads:

command line switch to what?

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ServerSage:

kingborel: Huh?

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ServerSage:

kingborel: Use date

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hads:

If you want the date/time use `date`

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kingborel:

is there a way i can get an optput of the $time varible from myth

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kingborel:

output*

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hads:

What $time variable?

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ServerSage:

kingborel: myth uses the system time if I'm not mistaken.

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kingborel:

ok cool

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kingborel:

thanks

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** directhex|work wonders what $time is meant to be, smells a php programmer **

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Dagmar:

I'm *still* confused as to what the hell that was about

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** ServerSage smells pizza. **

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ServerSage:

kingborel: If you just want the time, "date +%H:%M:%S" should do the trick.

[08:50:48]

kingborel:

im trying to fond out when mythtv sets the netxt wakeup time, what that value actually is

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ServerSage:

kingborel: See, now that is a useful question. :)

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laga:

o_O

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laga:

mythshutdown might be helpful. it's also stored in the database. after it was set, of course :)

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directhex|work:

/proc/acpi/alarm ?

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kingborel:

yeah i've got that

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kingborel:

essentially im trying to find where myth gets the value that it sets /proc/acpi/alarm to

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kingborel:

when you run set wakeup time

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directhex|work:

The X-Y Problem, as it is sometimes called, is a logical fallacy which leads to enormous amounts of wasted time and energy, both on the part of people asking for help, and on the part of those providing help. It often goes something like this:

[09:03:16]

directhex|work:

* User wants to do X.

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directhex|work:

* User doesn't know how to do X, but thinks they can fumble their way to a solution if they can just manage to do Y.

[09:03:16]

directhex|work:

* User doesn't know how to do Y either.

[09:03:18]

directhex|work:

* User asks for help with Y.

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directhex|work:

* Others try to help user with Y, but are confused because Y seems like a strange problem to want to solve.

[09:03:23]

directhex|work:

* After much interaction and wasted time, it finally becomes clear that the user really wants help with X, and that Y wasn't even a suitable substitute for X.

[09:04:08]

Dagmar:

I prefer to think of it as a "user is clever" problem

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hads:

Sweet, just moved from minimyth to a nfs root full distro, didn't take much time at all.

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directhex|work:

http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem – the bottom example is good

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Dagmar:

We need a !bot in here

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Dagmar:

"<greycat> You're a gentoo user. By definition, you don't have a clue what you're doing."

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directhex|work:

:gentoo

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directhex|work:

no wait, that's another channel i'm in

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** ServerSage is hurt by the gentoo comment. **

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hads:

Yeah, not really called for.

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** ServerSage pouts **

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kingborel:

you're right directhex|work

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kingborel:

i really dont have a clue

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juski:

hads: what board are you running? one of the epia ones? just wondering about how stable digital audio output is – I had problems with mine on ubuntu

[09:28:57]

hads:

juski: Yeah a newish EPIA, only using analog audio though (it's on the bedroom TV).

[09:29:04]

juski:

ah right

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hads:

nfs root was easy as to setup though

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juski:

yeah it is once you've got the stuff to put in there ;)

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hads:

I think it's an EK10000 board or something.

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juski:

all you need's a bootloader, nfs share..

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hads:

I originally tried to get a DVI daughter board working with the EPIA but failed so I'm using an Nvidia card in the mean time.

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BarDwellr:

hi all.. I've got a happy mythbackend processing uk freeview, and have added a dvbs card to recieve french satellite, but I can't see how to resolve the time difference, the backend is using uk time, but the xmltv data for france is french time (uk+1).. so the epg gets it wrong...

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BarDwellr:

uk tv entries are good.. but the french ones are out by an hour..

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jimmy:

hmm in trying to install Mythbuntu and it crashes at around 70%

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Zider:

70% of mythbuntu install or myth_tv_ install?

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Dagmar:

I really wish all these little monkeys that want to make their own distro just for MythTV would actually support their shit.

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Dagmar:

It's getting a wee bit old trying to troubleshoot what crazy crap the devs of Little Timmy Linux decided to do

[11:10:25]

directhex|work:

it's too easy to make a distro variant!

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I kinda think there should be a specific percentage of original work involved before someone can declare a fork for public consumption.

[11:13:07]

Dagmar:

Slowly but surely I'm documenting the osd.xml file

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jimmy:

ah sorry, it seems it fails during the installing MythTV section

[11:13:22]

Dagmar:

If you know anything at all about it's specifics, directhex|work, now would be a real good time to pipe up

[11:13:51]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, i don't know about the theme xml internals

[11:13:54]

Dagmar:

I outlined all the containers yesterday, but there's still a ton of crap where I am purely guessing

[11:14:21]

Dagmar:

...and some of it I'll probably just be submitting bug reports on

[11:14:42]

Dagmar:

Like, the formula it uses for making the elements fade away I think is ass-backward.

[11:15:11]

Dagmar:

Scrolltext starts fading them moment the start of the text hits the far boundary, not useful.

[11:15:37]

juski:

heh

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Dagmar:

It should fade after the end.

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juski:

since the OSD can do that, why not make it possible to scoot in & out sideways? that'd be quite nift

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Dagmar:

What do you mean? I think it already does that

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juski:

eh?

[11:17:18]

Dagmar:

fademovement attribute

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Dagmar:

You use it to set a vector for the graphic to move as it fades

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juski:

have to admit it's not something I've ever played with

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Dagmar:

You might not be amused.

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juski:

I might fix it :)

[11:18:18]

Dagmar:

There's still something really fried about the way the color tags are handled, unless the intent was to allow alpha-channeling to be specified.

[11:18:26]

Dagmar:

You can't say <color>#ff0000</color>

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Dagmar:

You have to do <color normal="#F7862B">255</color>, which is nuts

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juski:

I'm giving serious thought to going after the trans-element stuff

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juski:

Dagmar: so what? it's how it is. sucks for you because that makes more work for your svg converter :-P

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Dagmar:

I'm gonna have to do some digging at the code to verify that that's an alpha value being set within color, but I'd like to know why it has to be assigned as normal=\

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Dagmar:

I am not making the SVG converter do a damn thing but emit a list of coordinates for the elements.

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juski:

ah ok

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juski:

if that trans- element stuff pees me off again it's gonna go

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Dagmar:

In part because I *don't* want a million requests for the impossible, and in part because I have no way to create any kind of reasonable renderer for the graphical elements

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Dagmar:

Whaddaya mean by trans-element?

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juski:

I mean when you specify box.png in your theme element & the ui code sneaks off & tried to load trans-box.png

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juski:

it pisses me off

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Dagmar:

Oh. Man I really think you should just ask on one of the devel lists if *anyone* is still in love with that

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Dagmar:

it doesn't affect much, but it's definitely the wrong way to go about alpha-channeling

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juski:

who else is developing themes like?

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jimmy:

the installer crashes when it gets up to configuring MythTV (This is installing MythBuntu)

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juski:

jimmy: go bug the guys in #ubuntu-mythtv about it

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Dagmar:

jimmy: You might want to talk to the people who _made the installer_

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juski:

it's their baby

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Dagmar:

....*and* we've never seen it before.

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juski:

jimmy: it's still in alpha anyway isn't it?

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jimmy:

yeh true

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jimmy:

but to not even install..

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juski:

best you talk to them in #ubuntu-mythtv

[11:22:56]

jimmy:

do you suggest just getting ubuntu and putting MythTv on myself?

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Dagmar:

jimmy: You saw my comment about volume of original code, right?

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juski:

I SUGGEST YOU TALK TO THEM IN #ubuntu-mythtv

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Dagmar:

Whatcha wanna bet their installer isn't even complete yet

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juski:

ffs how many more times?

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jimmy:

i am mate

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jimmy:

i asked a DIFFERENT question

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Dagmar:

They might have a solution to it, but if they don't, jumping ship to ubunty fisty and doing an install from their repos would not be a bad idea

[11:23:58]

Dagmar:

....so long as you _read the documentation_ for setting it up

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juski:

well, if the mythbuntu devs don't get to hear about problems with their installer they can't fix em

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Dagmar:

If you deliberately avoid the documentation, you will *fail*

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juski:

and if you don't work with them to help them fix it – other people with the same setup as you will have the same problem. so it's up to you. do you want to help fix it or just selfishly get mythtv working as fast as poss?

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Dagmar:

jimmy: Mainly if you manage to even bring it to their attention, it'll get sorted

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jimmy:

yeh, i think everyone is afk though

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juski:

so show a virtue so rare with noobs.. patience ;)

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Dagmar:

patience is FTW

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Dagmar:

Considering this is a project most people are doing to dink around with for a month even after they get it installed, it doesn't hurt to just kick back and go slowly for a couple of days

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Dagmar:

jimmy: Here's something to kill some time with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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Dagmar:

It'll give you (hopefully) a working knowledge of what the various pieces are, which should make troubleshooting the eventual problems MUCH easier

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juski:

heh. looks like HD-DVD is being slower to take off than people might have hoped. Good!

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directhex|work:

is blu-ray any faster?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

hmm I wonder what could be making people think twice.. .. ..

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laga:

juski: could it be.. superior image quality?

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juski:

oh yeah. like if I have a disc from Sony/Universal & a HD-DVD player & it won't play.. oh dear!

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juski:

hmm. weird. Universal are making hd-dvd tiles. wtf?!

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juski:

I thought sony owned universal already. what a damn foo

[11:56:59]

juski:

it's MGM they own. duh

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BarDwellr:

flibble.. hey.. people are awake now ;-) any ideas on how to sync xmltv listings for two timezones within one mythbackend ?

[11:58:09]

juski:

BarDwellr: I saw that question earlier, had a think about it then got distracted

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BarDwellr:

my only thought was to write an xmltv grabber wrapper that shifted the times by an offset

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juski:

AFAIK you can only specify a time offset for all video sources, not just one

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juski:

BarDwellr: that sounds like the idea I was gonna suggest

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BarDwellr:

yep.. thats what I've experienced..

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BarDwellr:

they added stuff for data direct listings.. but they are no use to me

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Dagmar:

This is because it's not useful to offset the time manually

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BarDwellr:

I'd argue it is useful.

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juski:

Dagmar: not useful often you mean ;)

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Dagmar:

Okay, I'll bite. *When* is this useful?

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BarDwellr:

if you receive lineups from multiple timezones ?

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juski:

in BarDwellr's situation

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Dagmar:

BarDwellr: Perhaps it is the nature of time that is confusing you

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BarDwellr:

Ie, I get uk terrestrial digital tv, and french tv via satellite.

[12:01:51]

BarDwellr:

the uk guide data is based from eit data.. french comes in from xmltv grabber

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juski:

hang on though.. isn't the time in xmltv listings in UTC or something anyway?

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Dagmar:

And so since the offset applies to _all_ data sources, how is this useful?

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BarDwellr:

backend time is local to uk, uk epg entries are correct, french epg entries are all 1 hour out..

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Dagmar:

Sounds like the french are being stupid and using localtimes instead of UTC

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Dagmar:

...or the grabber is broken

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BarDwellr:

I wasnt arguing that a global offset was useful.. that an individual offset would be.

[12:03:05]

juski:

BarDwellr: that's another option – adapt the grabber script – tis only perl ;)

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Dagmar:

I can see them being willfully stupid about it

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laga:

does the time offset actually apply to EIT sources? i doubt it.

[12:03:34]

juski:

Dagmar: ah they're probably only screen scraping anyway

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sebrock:

Dagmar, you are my last resort here... problem with X11-forwarding

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Dagmar:

If they're screen scraping then the thing would be broken

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BarDwellr:

laga: no idea.. but thankfully my local time is same as eit source.

[12:04:05]

sebrock:

would you have a go?

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Dagmar:

Times across a network that spans multiple timezones (*kof*internet*kof*) should be done as UTC, _period_

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Dagmar:

All else courts failure.

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laga:

BarDwellr: then use the offset in mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

sebrock: Provided you never make me ask you to tell me what the problem is again, thereby wasting a question...

[12:05:10]

sebrock:

:P

[12:05:43]

sebrock:

ok here I go: I currently sitting on a mac (X11 installed) and a linux box here

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BarDwellr:

laga: i'll try.. but suspect I may have tested & found it did the opposite.. caused the french listings to be accurate & confused the hell out of the eit ones saying stuff had already happened & deleted the event etc

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sebrock:

When I ssh into the linux box and set the DISPLAY variable to my mac adress display will not function. However, If I on the linux box set the variable to the mac it works

[12:06:54]

sebrock:

can't figure out why

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laga:

BarDwellr: the help text implies that it will only modify the behaviour of mythfilldatabase.

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mtnbkr-laptop:

try sshing to the linux box with a -X from the MAC

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sebrock:

Yes, doing it with -X will work

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BarDwellr:

laga: does mythfilldb fill the db from eit too ? or is that a seperate process?

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mtnbkr-laptop:

sebrock: oh and make sure you ssh from the X11 term, not the standard terminal mac app

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laga:

BarDwellr: EIT is handled by the backend itself

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sebrock:

however, I would like it to work without

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sebrock:

I did

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laga:

sebrock: does X on your mac listen on your network interface?

[12:08:35]

sebrock:

yes

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Dagmar:

sebrock: Are you planning on using ssh tunneling for this?

[12:09:07]

Dagmar:

'cuz I know why it's breaking so far

[12:09:12]

sebrock:

Dagmar, I am planning to have the linux box as a backend without X running, and for configuration running X on the mac when it is needed

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BarDwellr:

laga: cool.. will retest .. I'd not recommend running myth overall with sources like this.. too confusing =)

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Dagmar:

You don't set DISPLAY to the address of the box you want the display to go to if you're using ssh forwarding.

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Dagmar:

Doing that will _go around_ the tunnel.

[12:10:43]

Dagmar:

You set DISPLAY to localhost, or better yet, don't set it at all because sshd will set it properly.

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sebrock:

this is using -X ?

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Dagmar:

As in, when you're using ssh tunneling of X, the connection does not go from the remote machine directly to your local display...

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sebrock:

ok so let say I have the linux box fired up

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sebrock:

whats next+

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Dagmar:

...what it does is it connects to a port the remote sshd opened _just for your tunnel_, which gets tunneled back to the ssh client on your end, and from there goes to the display on your local machine as if it came from there... which neatly gets around requiring any extra credentials, dig?

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sebrock:

phew

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Dagmar:

Just make sure you're _allowing_ X11 forwarding in the remote sshd_config

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sebrock:

I do

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Dagmar:

It's easier to explain as an illustration

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Dagmar:

Okay, then you just use ssh -X remote_place then

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sebrock:

ok, so how do I start the gnome desktop on the mac, instead of just applications

[12:13:08]

sebrock:

if this is posible

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Dagmar:

provided you could type `xterm` in a window and have it spawn a new xterm, running `ssh -X user@remotehost xterm` will also work

[12:13:46]

Dagmar:

Pfft. Session management issues aside, the same way you start GNOME...

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Dagmar:

`exec gnome-session`

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Dagmar:

Yer prolly better off using xdmcp for that if you don't need crypto

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BarDwellr:

gnome didnt appreciate running too well remotely last I tried it.. but I suspect the local x was a bit too pants to cope with all the extensions gnome was asking for.

[12:14:29]

Dagmar:

Note with 2.18 this willl likely also involve starting dbus

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sebrock:

OK, I will check it out

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sebrock:

thank you

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BarDwellr:

doubt beryl will work too well remote either ;-)

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Dagmar:

xdmcp makes a bunch of stuff like that "just work"

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Dagmar:

...at the cost of being pretty damn insecure on the local network

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Dagmar:

It's not like viruses or worms will be attacking it or something, but let's just say the nature of the thing is such that if you have a "friend" over who decides to be a jerk and screw up your X sessions with broadcast crap, he can

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Dagmar:

For local LAN stuff it should be fine tho under normal conditions

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sebrock:

This is just under LAN

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sebrock:

brb will ry this out now

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Dagmar:

I like xdmcp personally.

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BarDwellr:

Dagmar: awww.. problem with "friend"s like that are they are usually smart enough to know that xhost + is a bad idea ;-)

[12:19:29]

Dagmar:

Enh... It doesn't really matter.

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Dagmar:

Anyone in that circumstance falls under the umbrella of DHCP security.

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Dagmar:

i.e., they're close enough to be reached with the "DHCP securifying tool"

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Zider:

provided you use dhcp I assume

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Dagmar:

Here's two such securifying tools: http://www.gravitaexim.com/images/Lead-pipe.jpg

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Dagmar:

Only masochists have more than three machines and don't use it

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BarDwellr:

indeed.. tho if they use windows, you can send out a packet to ask if anyone else has their address & watch as they disconnect =)

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webman:

anyone know how to configure mythtv to get australian tv guide data? the only stuff I can see doesn't work, and seems to be very old ??

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MaverickTech:

webman: try http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~willu/xmltv/tv_grab_au_reg.html

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MaverickTech:

not been there in a while but it worked for me some time back

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Dagmar:

What I really don't get is why the OSD fonts are defined differently than menu fonts

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gbee:

juski: new mythmusic screen looks great on my laptop – http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6042/blootubemythmusiczl4.png

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gbee:

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7665/bloot . . . usic3pd6.png

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Dagmar:

Oh... I see now.

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Dagmar:

The value in color font declarations for osd.xml just isn't even used

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juski:

gbee: nifty :)

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Dagmar:

So, no wonder I wasn't seeing anything happening

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gbee:

juski: fits an extra two tracks on the visible portion of the playlist too, which is good

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samesame:

gbee: shouldnt u be encoding your music at 192 kbps + ?

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gbee:

samesame: I do now, but that was ripped a few years ago when everyone thought that 128 kbps was just fine and disk space was in short supply

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gbee:

I now use high average VBR

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samesame:

gbee: ok ill let u off this time

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juski:

check feck

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juski:

cheeky feck even

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juski:

!trout samesame cheeky

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** MythLogBot slaps samesame with a cheeky trout on behalf of juski... **

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gbee:

I will even re-rip everything to ogg when I buy a portable player which can read them (that will be a _long_ weekend)

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gbee:

it's not like I'm one of those audiophiles who can easily tell the difference

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Zider:

I rip my CDs to flac, and then transcode to ogg for my portable player..

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RayJones:

Hello when I try to view video in mythtv I get this message:

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RayJones:

TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start

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gbee:

imho flac is just a waste of space, but like I said, I'm no audiophile

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RayJones:

I have tested my tv-card using ivtv-tune and can get some good output

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Kevorkian:

did it ever work RayJones ?

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Kevorkian:

what type of card ?

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RayJones:

this is my first setup

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RayJones:

pvr-350

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TSCHAKWerk:

GOOOOOOOOOD MORNING, CAMPERS!

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Kevorkian:

is it configured as a mpeg2 card ?? or as a vid4l ?

[13:13:11]

TSCHAKWerk:

TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO LEARN HOW TO COOK WITH NAPALM!

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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RayJones:

I think a vid4l, what is the difference?

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Kevorkian:

one works , and the other doesnt

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RayJones:

which?

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TSCHAKWerk:

pvr-350's are MPEG cards

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Kevorkian:

well .. you know which one doesnt work.

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TSCHAKWerk:

and I don't think you can configure them as a raw V4L card.

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RayJones:

oook that might be why

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RayJones:

so its just reconfiguring mythtv-setup?

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Kevorkian:

its a very common mistake for a first time configure of a happauage card

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directhex|work:

http://apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section=thre . . . izwall01.jpg

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Zider:

puuurdy colors huh huh huh

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Kevorkian:

couldnt get anything with smaller bezels ?

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directhex|work:

Kevorkian, not on our budget. 1cm bezels aren't bad though

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Kevorkian:

yea .. but very noticable

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juski:

bahh blender still sucks

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gbee:

hmm, after the re-sync my laptop does much better with a HD BBC test stream – not watchable, but better

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Kevorkian:

1cm ?? are you sure ?? that looks much larger then 2c

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Kevorkian:

at least the center ones look biger

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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Zider:

bezels?

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directhex|work:

Kevorkian, i could do with a tapemeasure, but that's a reasonable guess

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Kevorkian:

Zider, the edge around the monitors

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: building a video tile wall?

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** TSCHAKWerk sooooo can't wait for widespread OLED panels **

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Zider:

ah

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, not personally. one is being built in the department though

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Zider:

TSCHAKWerk: oled ftw

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: cool.

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directhex|work:

by my calculations, it's a 6:5 ratio with 80" viewable area

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** TSCHAKWerk wonders where directhex|work works, so I can apply for a job there and get out of this god forsaken hell hole of a dead end contract job that's causing ulcers, a premature aneyurism, and a dependence on vicodin. **

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Kevorkian:

They provide vicodin ?

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TSCHAKWerk:

Kevorkian: oh no, that's courtesy of my second job, breaking and entering :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

although maybe i'll start replying to the spam in my inbox soon...

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Dagmar:

Okay....

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Dagmar:

So, um, upon closer examination, osd.cpp is full of crazy.

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Zider:

maybe you accidentally opened lsd.cpp?

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Dagmar:

It's almost a wonder it doesn't turn the CRT inside out with a loud sucking sound.

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Zider:

haha

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Dagmar:

Zider: The method that's being used to walk the data structure is just a wee bit dangerous

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jonesy__:

does anyone have any tips for getting AV in sync properly?

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Kevorkian:

Sure .. there is a feature called "audio sync"

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jonesy__:

it's fine before transcoding, but after transcoding to mpeg4, the audio is slightly behind the video

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jonesy__:

liveTV is fine too

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Kevorkian:

well .. thats just what the audio sync is for

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Kevorkian:

the mpeg process takes a while , so there is a delay placed on the audio. But I guess your processing the vid a bit quicker then expected. So therefore the audio is bhnd ..

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Kevorkian:

in your transcode command do you have the -async option enabled ?

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jonesy__:

hang on, I'll check

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Kevorkian:

and what are you using to transcode ? Im assuming ffmpeg

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jonesy__:

yep, ffmpeg

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Kevorkian:

well .. the -async helps a lot ..

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Kevorkian:

syncing when the codec has a lot of processing isnt the easyest thing in teh world.

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Kevorkian:

its not like magic button that can be pressed

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jonesy__:

ah ok, does the -async option go in the custom filters field or elsewhere?

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Kevorkian:

it needs to be passed to ffmpeg on the command line ..off the top of my head , Im not 100% sure where to put that in myth. But I know there is a place for your transcode command. I woudl start by trying it there.

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jonesy__:

actually sorry I'm not sure if I'm using ffmpeg, I'm using the transcode recording profiles, and have changed the codec from RTjpeg to mpeg-4

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jonesy__:

so I guess it's using mythtranscode

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Kevorkian:

hmmm .. not sure about that .. might want to just simply use the built in sync options then

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Kevorkian:

in the onscreen menu , there is a option for audio syncing

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wastrel:

hi

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Kevorkian:

im almost sure that that info is saved with the file for when it played back the next time

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jonesy__:

so it's not a common problem then, most people's recordings are fine after transcoding?

[14:02:08]

Kevorkian:

well .. it is sorta common ..

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Kevorkian:

in general when you have a codec that requires a lot of processing of the video and not much of the audio , syncing of the streams can be a issue.

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jonesy__:

ok, well thanks for the help, I appreciate it :)

[14:03:49]

jonesy__:

if I find it too annoying, I guess I can just not transcode

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nguyep:

hello

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nguyep:

i have a question in related to uPnP

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nguyep:

????

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juski:

just ask

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TSCHAKWerk:

if we can answer, we will.

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** TSCHAKWerk digs out his Blancmange tracks. **

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nguyep:

my media streamer can see mythtv (0.20) upnp server but it can not see any music listing. what gives?

[14:14:44]

GreyFoxx:

music streaming was broken in 0.20 release

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nguyep:

thank you

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GreyFoxx:

I know it works in svn and might work in 0.20-fixes as well

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nguyep:

so whatever binaries that comes with mythdora 4.0 may not work?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't know what comes with mythdora

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, feel like documenting myth upnp? i've never gotten it to do a single thing

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wastrel:

what's upnp?

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juski:

directhex|work: it's more a lack of knowing what works with what

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Fnc_:

unknown plug n play

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directhex|work:

juski, nothing, IME!

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juski:

wastrel: what's google? ;)

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Kevorkian:

google is your friend

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wastrel:

i'd have to open a browser :p

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: Sure

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GreyFoxx:

I'll udpate the exist wiki stuff

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juski:

wastrel: living up to your nick then eh

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GreyFoxx:

but FYI, I'ved used at least 7 different upnp clients to stream music, recordings and videos from myth

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wastrel:

truth in advertising :]

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nguyep:

greyfoxx: code change requires for upnp to works?

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GreyFoxx:

but I'll update the wiki entries

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GreyFoxx:

nguyep: It depends on what your problem is

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Fnc_:

GreyFoxx has fancy pants... so just cuz hes got things going... dont mean you can ;)

[14:18:14]

GreyFoxx:

if you are running 0.20 then yes code chanegs are needed, and they were done

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, i managed to get some tool (djview? i forget what it was called) to SEE the upnp back-end, but that's the best i managed

[14:18:52]

GreyFoxx:

nguyep: the lastest svn code works fine, and I'm sure it was fixes in 0.20-fixes

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GreyFoxx:

I just don't know what mythdora puts out

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TSCHAKWerk:

I haven't used a UPnP media box yet, can some of them export their media out via UPnP as well?

[14:19:21]

nguyep:

my media streamer (omnifi) can SEE mythtv (0.20) upnp... mythtv just doesn't do anything

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TSCHAKWerk:

(see honestly, I see no reason to actually have one, unless say somebody decides to bring theirs over and snap into the network for a star trek marathon or somethin.)

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TSCHAKWerk:

nguyep: you need a newer version of mythtv.

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Fnc_:

TSCHAKWerk.. what about for a cheap easy frontend?

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TSCHAKWerk:

Fnc_: ??

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nguyep:

tschakwerk: that's my conclusion

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Fnc_:

TSCHAKWerk: zensonic z500

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TSCHAKWerk:

see, this is why the all in one liveCDs need solid support channels.

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Fnc_:

MythDora is a specialized Linux distribution based on Fedora Core 6 and MythTV 0.20–1.

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Fnc_:

id ask about the upnp for mythdora in the forums

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Fnc_:

http://g-ding.tv/?q=forum

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RyeBrye:

When trying to use Mytharchive, I got an error last night... seems like it's trying to use mpeg2enc, but it has a message saying mpeg2enc is broken

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RyeBrye:

my mythburn.log file is here: http://pastebin.ca/564229

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RyeBrye:

The "error message" part of it is: ERROR: Failed while running jpeg2yuv – jpeg2yuv -n 449 -v0 -I p -f 29.97 -j '/video/archivetemp/work/background-1.jpg' | mpeg2enc -b 5000 -a 2 -v 1 -f 8 -o '/video/archivetemp/work/temp.m2v'

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: You're using what version of MythTV?

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RyeBrye:

svn, from middle of last week

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RyeBrye:

I can check specific build if you want

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Dagmar:

No, that's not necessary.

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Dagmar:

Don't use SVN head unless you're willing to *fix it*

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Dagmar:

...and the "error message" part is not what you said, it's much much clearer, actually.

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Dagmar:

"**ERROR: [mpeg2enc] mpeg2enc is currently broken. If you really want to use it delete this line and recompile"

[14:37:27]

RyeBrye:

Oh, gotcha

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Dagmar:

Use 0.20-fixes

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RyeBrye:

I'm willing to do work on the head and fix it, but I want to make sure it's not pebcac error first :)

[14:37:56]

RyeBrye:

err pebkac

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Dagmar:

Then I suggest you read your output more carefully

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RyeBrye:

i.e. the part about recompiling with that line deleted?

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Dagmar:

If I have to tell you, then you need to run 0.20-fixes.

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RyeBrye:

Sorry... I don't mean to be a pest. I'll go tinker with it and leave you alone

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RayJones:

Hi, my remote only works when I run mythfrontend as root

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RayJones:

is this a problem?

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RyeBrye:

You probably need to copy your settings files from your root user to the user you want to run mythfrontend as

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RyeBrye:

(and change ownership to that user)

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geemark:

does anyone know of any alternative frontends for MythTV than the default one?

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mtnbkr-laptop:

juski, you here still? I figured out the naming convention issue for multiple diskless frontends...

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wastrel:

naming

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juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: cool. what was it?

[15:07:16]

mtnbkr-laptop:

but I now have another issue... It's relatively minor in comparison. :) I am not sure what settings to change to get the menu etc to fit properly on the TV screen from the composite output

[15:07:43]

juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: appearance settings, X & Y size & offsets

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wastrel:

composite

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mtnbkr-laptop:

juski: yeah, the wiki where it said to use th eMAC address was wrong. And Pedro answered pretty quickly that it was supposed to be the name of the unit... What he didn't say, which I figiured out is that I needed the DHCP option host-name "nameofbox"; for each of my diskless front ends, THEN the directories named by name worked as expected. :)

[15:10:13]

mtnbkr-laptop:

see: http://www.linpvr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1 . . . 6c6efbec28f7

[15:10:32]

juski:

duh it's hostname. damnit. lol

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mtnbkr-laptop:

juski: so, on this "normal" circa 1999 Sony TV, what might the proper settings be? right now, it goes past the right side and the bottom of the screen

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wastrel:

my tv is also old

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juski:

work it out like this – overscan is normally about 5 to 10% right – so if you're running X at 800x600, set the X & Y size to 800 minus 5% and 600 minus 5% as a starting point :)

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mtnbkr-laptop:

okee dokee. heh

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Dagmar:

Ho ho ho. Only put text within the center 640x480 region of the screen

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Dagmar:

...and there is also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Cheatsheet.png which comes in handy

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juski:

jesus. US radio stations like their time compression.. incomprehensible!

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directhex|work:

juski, ?

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juski:

listening to a dance station on digitally imported – heard a car insurance ad that sounded like mythtv on 2.0x playback

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planktonboy:

hi all

[15:23:02]

planktonboy:

hi juski

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juski:

hi planktonboy

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** juski continues to work on his very secret project :-P **

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jams:

well it's not secret if you tell us it's secret

[15:26:02]

planktonboy:

just managed to update mythweather and mythweb weather page using patches from ticket 3327 and 3303

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planktonboy:

all is working now apart from the radar map on mythweb weather page

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mtnbkr-laptop:

juski: I am reading thru the config options and I do not understand what MM_ option I need to set in order to follow your X & Y instructions above.

[15:27:11]

mtnbkr-laptop:

planktonboy: heh well it's still a secret if he doesn't tell us... it's just not a secret that he HAS a secret now. :)

[15:27:31]

planktonboy:

?

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Dagmar:

mnnbkr-laptop: You could have also assigned the leases based on the mac addresses of the machines in question

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directhex|work:

it's a secret project, not a secret secret

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mtnbkr-laptop:

Dagmar: I am doing that

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Dagmar:

I thought you said you were doing it based on the hostname option passed from the client

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planktonboy:

mtnbkr-laptop, I think that was jams you were referring to, yes?

[15:28:25]

planktonboy:

:)

[15:28:52]

mtnbkr-laptop:

the part I initially missed was the whole "hostname" section in the docs. :)

[15:29:08]

planktonboy:

so what secret is this then juski :)

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jams:

planktonboy- either that or morocco mole

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juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: just use the appearance menu

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Dagmar:

mtnbkr-laptop: I think maybe you're still going about it the long way

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

ok :)

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Dagmar:

mtnbkr-laptop: See http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/dhcpd.conf for an example of binding static leases to hosts based on their mac addresses

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planktonboy:

hehe...

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mtnbkr-laptop:

Dagmar: no need. I am all set with that (being a linux and network admin and consultant I need to do that all the time) :)

[15:30:40]

Dagmar:

Ah okay

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Dagmar:

I'm just going to assume I msised something in the original problem explanation then

[15:31:20]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Dagmar: yeah possibly. Plus I don;t think I am being as clear as I should be in my comments today. :)

[15:32:01]

mtnbkr-laptop:

my only issue right now is that myth is not fitting properly into my TV screen via the Composite RCA video output.

[15:32:09]

Dagmar:

nvidia video card?

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Dagmar:

euw composite

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mtnbkr-laptop:

Dagmar: the TV is Circa 1999 :)

[15:33:00]

Dagmar:

See, unless it's really damn big, you a probably putting gold spinners on a yugo

[15:33:14]

Dagmar:

You might want to rethink putting $600 worth of hardware on a TV that's worth $10

[15:33:26]

Dagmar:

Find something used on Craigslist or somethin' first.

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mtnbkr-laptop:

lol

[15:33:31]

Dagmar:

Something with s-video input.

[15:33:52]

Dagmar:

I spent $125 for an ungodly huge 35" used

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** directhex|work still wants to import a bigger engine for his car **

[15:34:19]

Dagmar:

...and Wal-Mart even sells $100 TVs that have s-video and are probably better

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mtnbkr-laptop:

oh shit... I'm an idiot! this VIA mini-ixt board has RCA, VGA AND S-video out! And my TV has S-video IN!!!!

[15:35:00]

Kevorkian:

125 ?? not a bad deal for a 200 pound tv

[15:35:09]

** mtnbkr-laptop NEVER sets foot in a walmart **

[15:35:19]

Kevorkian:

walmart is the best

[15:36:23]

Kevorkian:

I never understood that whole "walmart is evil" thing

[15:36:24]

juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: I've told you. use mythfrontend's UI size options

[15:36:38]

juski:

utils/setup > setup > appearance

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Dagmar:

Kevorkian: Talk to one of their employees about how much they make

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juski:

it's a PITA to have to use that appearance menu but needs prevail :)

[15:37:07]

fryfrog:

yeah, walmart is kind of evil... that all said, i still shop there :/

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Kevorkian:

well Dagmar if they could do better , then they would

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Dagmar:

mtnbkr-laptop: lol you've had s-video available all this time?

[15:37:19]

fryfrog:

they put smaller, local buisinesses out of bisness...

[15:37:24]

fryfrog:

they pay like crap

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mtnbkr-laptop:

juski: OH! Duh.... Wow... I am seriously, and unusually thick-headed and slow today... I think I am going to go back to bed... lol

[15:37:40]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: They would be working at places that Wal-Mart already wiped out, most likely

[15:37:57]

Dagmar:

They literally sell NOTHING that wasn't made overseas

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mtnbkr-laptop:

Kevorkian: run, don't walk to your video store and rent "Walmart: The high price of low cost"

[15:38:26]

Dagmar:

They don't give employees health benefits without a gun being pointed to their heads.

[15:38:43]

Kevorkian:

but I can get a tv with svid for less then $100 .. isnt that the important thing ?

[15:38:51]

mtnbkr-laptop:

I'll mail you my copy if you don;t have one at your local rental store.

[15:39:01]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Kevorkian: no, not really.

[15:39:20]

Dagmar:

I've worked a lot of places that treated their employees like crap before, but Wal-Mart seems to be a carefully calculated effort to roll all of what's been learned from those places into one, great big steaming hole of despair

[15:39:33]

Kevorkian:

if that wasnt the important part .. then walmart would be out of bussness allready

[15:39:43]

juski:

well, the animation feature on the UI just isn't fluid enough to be ANY use

[15:39:47]

mtnbkr-laptop:

you will have a shitty TV that was made in China

[15:39:48]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: You could actually buy that same TV from several other places for about 3% more

[15:40:08]

Dagmar:

Are you hurting for $3 that badly? I'm not.

[15:40:13]

Kevorkian:

that 3% is important to some people

[15:40:23]

Dagmar:

Yep. Folks who are only making what Walmart pays

[15:41:14]

Kevorkian:

Here is the thing. if there were other options for the folks working there .. why do they not take them ?

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mtnbkr-laptop:

one word: ignorance

[15:41:30]

Dagmar:

There aren't other options, because Wal-Mart wiped them out.

[15:41:40]

mtnbkr-laptop:

and what Dagmar jjust said

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Beirdo:

that's such a load.

[15:42:01]

RyeBrye:

Target seems to give Walmart some competition

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fryfrog:

no way

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Dagmar:

The simple matter that for a retail-oriented corporation, the economy of scale *wins*. Period.

[15:42:22]

fryfrog:

Walmart looks at Kmart, Target and uh, what is the other one?

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Dagmar:

They *will* wipe out every competitor, just because of their scale.

[15:42:28]

fryfrog:

and says "hey little buddy" :)

[15:42:40]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Kevorkian: seriously – Take a look at that movie. Your eyes will be opened and you will understand the whole "walmart is evil" thing you mentioned

[15:42:48]

Dagmar:

Kmart is faltering large, man.

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Kevorkian:

mtnbkr-laptop, I doubt it .. but I will look at your movie ..

[15:43:04]

fryfrog:

actually, kmart is in the black now i think

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Dagmar:

Walmart's entry into the markets they were in wiped out many of their stores

[15:43:20]

fryfrog:

they went and sold off like half their stores (property) and got a *ton* of cash

[15:43:22]

Beirdo:

if you want cheap stuff, that is how you get it. Don't fool yourself, it's the consumer's fault

[15:43:37]

Kevorkian:

All I know is , I can walk into walmart .. and an hour latter walk out with most everything I need for the month .. and still have money in my pocket.

[15:43:37]

fryfrog:

oh yeah, can't blame anyone *but* consumers for walmart

[15:43:58]

fryfrog:

i mean, if there wasn't a market for it, walmart wouldn't exist

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Dagmar:

Just like you can't blame drug dealers

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juski:

so – just to make sure everybody heard me – I'm not bothering with theme animations. they suck. a simple 120x100 rotating logo wasn't being played smoothly. pooey

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fryfrog:

animations can bite my shiney metal ass!

[15:44:28]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, the dead is probably easier to animate than a MythTV theme

[15:44:31]

Kevorkian:

juski, what does that have to do with the price of tea in walmart ?

[15:44:40]

Beirdo:

mmmm, tea

[15:44:45]

Beirdo:

that's a damned good idea

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juski:

that was a waste of 2 hours. ah well

[15:45:06]

Kevorkian:

dont forget the peperment snaps in that tea

[15:45:08]

stuarta:

mmmm tea...

[15:45:27]

Kevorkian:

but walmart wont sell MA rated video games .. isnt that good

[15:45:28]

Beirdo:

I think I'll go make some mango tea

[15:45:43]

juski:

the UI stops playing the animation to change the watermark :(

[15:45:45]

Kevorkian:

they dont sell beer or liquor either ..

[15:45:46]

Beirdo:

Kevorkian, no, that's stupid, they are just limiting their income :)

[15:46:29]

Kevorkian:

they give the nice old man a job .. if he didnt work there he would have to stay home and yell at kids to get off his lawn..

[15:46:43]

juski:

tbh though rotating logos – if that's the only option you've got for animation, may aswell not bother anyway :)

[15:46:49]

Beirdo:

what most people don't realize... Walmart, with all its inherent evils, is the prime example of why unfettered capitalism blows

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juski:

Beirdo: true – unless you happen to be a shareholder ;)

[15:47:20]

Beirdo:

but of course :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

mo money for mo money makes mo money

[15:47:51]

Beirdo:

aye

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Beirdo:

BRB, gotta make me tea

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Kevorkian:

why should walmart pay there people more... would you pay 5 bucks for an item you could get for 3 ?

[15:48:27]

juski:

whoah I gotta go to the postal orifice

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Kevorkian:

and the only reason is to "be nicer to the guy your buying from" ??

[15:48:42]

juski:

and Asda (walmart).. lol

[15:48:49]

Dagmar:

It's called ethics.

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Kevorkian:

Thats not ethics

[15:49:12]

Dagmar:

yes, it is.

[15:49:17]

Kevorkian:

your confusing it with "moral"

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Dagmar:

Or are you going to tell me that all those textile mills that were working children for pennies a day back in the 30's were ethical operations.

[15:49:45]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Kevorkian: watch the movie. There is a lot to the "walmart is evil"

[15:49:59]

Dagmar:

You really have no idea how far down this particular rabbit hole goes, man.

[15:50:42]

Kevorkian:

yes Dagmar .. if that was the practice at the time .. then its ethical .. it may not have been MORAL .. but it would be ethical.

[15:50:57]

Dagmar:

Thanks for falling into a really obvious trap.

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mtnbkr-laptop:

especially the part where they get tax breaks and roads and other infrastructure built specifically for them and their giant store, and have successfully figuired out how to skip out ontheir promises to pay back and live up to their side of the initial deal

[15:51:11]

Dagmar:

Now that we've established that Wal-Mart is hideously immoral....

[15:51:36]

Dagmar:

mtnbkr-laptop: Oh that I've seen around here, but they're no different than Dell in that respect.

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Kevorkian:

no .. we have not .. we have simply argued the symantics of the words ethicial and moral

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** directhex|work lives in uk, wal-mart have no hold here **

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directhex|work:

yet 1/3 of all retail transactions occur in tesco

[15:52:08]

Dagmar:

You've said those textile mills were immoral, and they were really not doing anything different than Wal Mart does

[15:52:35]

Kevorkian:

the words I used was "MAY HAVE"

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Dagmar:

Either way, watch the movie. You don't have a damn clue right now, and you clearly don't _want_ to believe.

[15:52:44]

Kevorkian:

I am not in a postion to judge it.

[15:53:05]

Dagmar:

...or I should say, don't want to believe that something like this could actually exist.

[15:53:38]

fryfrog:

herm, i must have missed it... what movie are you talking about?

[15:53:40]

Kevorkian:

im trying to understand .. but the points your bringing up are not valid.

[15:53:55]

Beirdo:

OK, got me some mango tea (from Sri Lanka)

[15:55:13]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: what is the name of the move you are talking about?

[15:55:23]

Beirdo:

Dagmar: to be certain 90%+ of Americans (and Canadians for that matter) don't give a damn about how evil Walmart may be as long as they are getting decent quality stuff for good prices.

[15:55:39]

Beirdo:

although the quality of Walmart goods is definitely questionable at times

[15:56:18]

wastrel:

h8n walmart

[15:56:20]

Beirdo:

it all comes down to how much it hurts THEIR bank account to buy stuff they "need"

[15:56:40]

Beirdo:

and like it or not, walmart makes that ratio easier to bear

[15:57:13]

Beirdo:

and they do this by screwing over the employees and their suppliers, but we just don't care if it means we can afford stuff better. Welcome to capitalism

[15:57:33]

Beirdo:

dang, this tea is good, I should remember this more often

[15:57:42]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Beirdo: I'd go as far as to estimate that 80% don't kknow the name of their President or Vice president and speaker of the house. and that 98% don';t know the names of their senators or reps. No wonder they don't care about Walmart.

[15:57:57]

Beirdo:

aye, that's likely true

[15:58:06]

Beirdo:

although I expect most know that Bush is prez

[15:58:18]

Beirdo:

they may forget Mr. Hunting-Accident Cheney though

[15:58:28]

Kevorkian:

why does this movie want me to BUY it ..

[15:58:35]

Kevorkian:

why does it not give it to me ?

[15:58:59]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Kevorkian: dude, if you PROMISE to watch it and take notes, I will mail you my copy.

[15:59:18]

fryfrog:

what is the name of the freakin gove damnit!

[15:59:22]

wastrel:

i don't know my state senator and rep

[15:59:26]

fryfrog:

er, movie :p

[15:59:29]

Kevorkian:

im just saying .. if they REALLY cared about getting this message out .. they would make the movie free to download ..

[15:59:32]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Walmart: The high price of low cost

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Kevorkian:

they made the movie to make money .. not get a message out

[15:59:47]

mtnbkr-laptop:

fryfrog: that was for you

[15:59:53]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Kevorkian: wrong.

[15:59:55]

Beirdo:

Kevorkian, and give it out at the door of every Walmart

[15:59:58]

fryfrog:

thanks :)

[16:00:20]

mtnbkr-laptop:

They made little to NO $ and want people to copy it and distribute it freely.

[16:00:31]

Kevorkian:

is mr moore involved in this project at all ??

[16:00:35]

mtnbkr-laptop:

no

[16:00:41]

Beirdo:

Kevorkian, sure sounds like it, doesn't it?

[16:00:41]

Kevorkian:

just making sure ..

[16:00:44]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Open your eyes, ears and mind

[16:00:49]

Beirdo:

my sister has that movie, I think

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Beirdo:

and STILL buys stuff at Walmart for her kids. Lack of funds will do that

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Kevorkian:

found a torrent

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Beirdo:

most of OUR purchases are done at Sam's Club (aka Walmart) or at Costco

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Beirdo:

heh

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Kevorkian:

doesnt look to be very well seeded tho

[16:02:31]

Beirdo:

oooh, GO Liberty!

[16:02:37]

Beirdo:

you dumbass cableco

[16:02:49]

Beirdo:

TNT has audio, and a black screen instead of video

[16:03:02]

Beirdo:

I guess I won't be "watching" Judging Amy today

[16:03:10]

Kevorkian:

well .. the rules state that the game must be BLACKED OUT ..

[16:03:14]

Kevorkian:

not muted out

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wastrel:

i don't watch tv

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Beirdo:

this isn't a game :)

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Beirdo:

it's a network show

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Kevorkian:

OH

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Kevorkian:

you sure its them ??

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Beirdo:

yes

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Beirdo:

they are incompetent

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Kevorkian:

might be the feed

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Beirdo:

switching to the Game Network

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Beirdo:

"who wants to be a dumbass... er millionaire"

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Kevorkian:

OH JOY .. 8 days and I will be watching this walmart is bad movie

[16:04:23]

Beirdo:

hahaha

[16:04:29]

Beirdo:

go buy it at Walmart

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Kevorkian:

I guess ill run down to walmart and buy it

[16:04:34]

Kevorkian:

hahah

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Kevorkian:

I bet they sell it

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mtnbkr-laptop:

I can overnight my copy and you can watch it tomorrow. :)

[16:05:32]

mtnbkr-laptop:

oh shit... I loaned my copy to one of my "I buy all my stuff at Walmart" buddies... Time to make a phone call. heh

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Beirdo:

heh

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Dagmar:

Beirdo: You know, people occasionally miss the first question

[16:06:28]

Kevorkian:

OH ..nice .. watching pen and tellers rebutal to this movie now ..

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mtnbkr-laptop:

duh

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Kevorkian:

Oh wait .. ive seen this one ..

[16:07:07]

mtnbkr-laptop:

try watching the movie first so you can have a valid opinion of your own.

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Beirdo:

yeah, there are a lot of DUMB people out htere

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Beirdo:

bah

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Kevorkian:

mtnbkr-laptop, I always try and form my own opinion

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mtnbkr-laptop:

does it work?

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Beirdo:

why watch someone's opinions to form your own? That's just.... so un-American

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** mtnbkr-laptop ducks **

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Kevorkian:

who knows

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Kevorkian:

im sure it influenced alot ..

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Kevorkian:

after all .. I am simply forming it based on the inpout that I have been given..

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Beirdo:

mtnbkr-laptop, I guess you don't wear Nike shoes either then?

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Dagmar:

Gods forbid someone actually base their opinions on detailed studies of economics and game theory

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mtnbkr-laptop:

Actually I try to not wear anything with obvious logos.

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Kevorkian:

ahh you bring up game theory ..

[16:09:30]

Kevorkian:

the same theory that walmart uses to figure out exactly how low they can go with wages

[16:09:34]

Beirdo:

heh, well, I'm sure the same sweatshops make the non-logo shoes, etc.

[16:09:41]

mtnbkr-laptop:

Beirdo: and I TRY like hell to not buy stuff made in China. Which is nearly impossible these days.

[16:09:52]

Beirdo:

oh they know how low to go... right to minimum wage

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** Kevorkian points at mtnbkr-laptop's laptop **

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Beirdo:

you don't like the minimum wage, complain to your government

[16:10:03]

mtnbkr-laptop:

it really pisses me off actually.

[16:10:04]

Kevorkian:

I wonder where that was made

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Dagmar:

Minimum Wage: "We'd pay you less if the law would allow it"

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Beirdo:

What's wrong with "made in China"?

[16:10:43]

Dagmar:

When it's on an American flag... lots.

[16:10:51]

Beirdo:

what makes me laugh is going into souvenir shops here, seeing all the stuff with Puerto Rico crap all over it...

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Beirdo:

turn it over "made in China"

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Beirdo:

uh HUH

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Beirdo:

OK, you can buy the $50 American flag made in BFN, US, or a $15 American flag made in China... which do you think will sell better?

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Kevorkian:

why is it bad that a chinaman ( or whatever the PROPER term is ) is willing to make a product for so much less then someone local ??

[16:12:19]

Beirdo:

well, they DO get exploited

[16:12:38]

Beirdo:

but still, if we were willing to pay more for our crap, there'd be no market

[16:12:47]

Beirdo:

it's our liking cheap stuff that fuels this.

[16:12:56]

Kevorkian:

but they get 3 bucks a month .. when the guy down the block eats dirt ..

[16:13:44]

Kevorkian:

OH look .. a guy that fought to keep walmart out of his town ..

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Beirdo:

let's face it. We're rich, and we exploit the poor

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Kevorkian:

and the town is going to crap ..

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Kevorkian:

all the shops are closign ..

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Kevorkian:

BUT .. he kept walmart out

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Beirdo:

everyone's driving to the Walmart in the next town over, I'm sure

[16:14:39]

Kevorkian:

then the guy at the hardware store should have sold bolts for a bit cheaper

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mtnbkr-laptop:

sigh....

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Kevorkian:

perhaps he could have bought them at walmart .. and sold them local

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Beirdo:

if they were made in China, he woulda

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Kevorkian:

what would all these people do for jobs if walmart up and left ??

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Beirdo:

good question

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mtnbkr-laptop:

you're joking, right?

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Beirdo:

not at all, actually

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Beirdo:

in small towns, that's a valid question

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Beirdo:

in the cities, not so much

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Kevorkian:

the citys are an even more valid place for this question

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Beirdo:

no, there's more diversity of employers in a city than in a small town of say 3000 people

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Kevorkian:

the walmart in queens deep in the heart of NYC .. pays the same as a walmart in the middle of nowhere ..

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Beirdo:

if Walmart leaves said small town, like 400 or so people lose jobs

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Kevorkian:

yet they still have people working there ..

[16:18:04]

Kevorkian:

when they have lots of options ..

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Beirdo:

which is a significant portion of the population

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Kevorkian:

why do they work there ?

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Beirdo:

because they do?

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Kevorkian:

im thinking its cause they went to the local enployment agency .. and the lady said .. OH MR HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT .. you get to work at walmart .. OR Mc Donald's ..

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Kevorkian:

they picked walmart

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Beirdo:

as would I

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Beirdo:

100 times over before a McJob

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Kevorkian:

Seriously .. if walmart was REALLY that bad .. expecialy in citys .. people would not work for them

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Beirdo:

you'll always find people desparate enough to work anywhere

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Kevorkian:

the people that do work for them .. do so because they have little choice

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Kevorkian:

yes in the middle of kanas .. you may get teh phd that has no job that is a gretter

[16:21:34]

Kevorkian:

but if he really wanted to .. he could move ..

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Kevorkian:

but he doesnt

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Kevorkian:

cause its a job ..

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Kevorkian:

and its good enough

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Beirdo:

people are lazy

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mtnbkr-laptop:

and ignorant

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Kevorkian:

and I should pay more for pants cause some guy is too stupid to learn

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Beirdo:

obviously

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Beirdo:

:)

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Kevorkian:

COMMUNIST

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Kevorkian:

mtnbkr-laptop, Beirdo doesnt have a laptop .. you should let him use yours

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** Beirdo wonders what this is that he's typing on ;) **

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Kevorkian:

ok .. my sister doesnt have a laptop .. let her use it then

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wastrel:

i'm printing a document

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Kevorkian:

I bet that prnter was made in china

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Kevorkian:

now . the paper may have come from the usa ..

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Kevorkian:

there is a slight chance of that

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Beirdo:

or from Canada

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Kevorkian:

OR .. at the very least the logs were from NA .. made into plup here .. and then shiped to china to be made into paper ..

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Beirdo:

hehe, now that would be a silly thing to do economically

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Kevorkian:

thats the kind of thing that boggles my mind

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Kevorkian:

it wouldbt be silly

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Kevorkian:

there is a good chance that it would work

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Kevorkian:

Thats how MUCH cheaper labor over there is

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Beirdo:

might make sense for steel, but paper?

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Beirdo:

be cheaper to denude THEIR forests to make it

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Kevorkian:

paper is even less dense .. shipping costs woudl be less

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Beirdo:

fewer Greenpeace morons spiking the trees there

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Kevorkian:

Ok .. yea .. they do have a supply of wood

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Kevorkian:

but even so .. it might be cheaper then makign the paper here

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Kevorkian:

from out own local supply

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Beirdo:

quite possibly

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Beirdo:

we have too many environmental laws to follow too

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Kevorkian:

eventulay tho .. it will be just as expensive to make things in china

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Beirdo:

true

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Kevorkian:

There was a time when it was much cheaper to make cars in japan ..

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Kevorkian:

not so much anymore

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Beirdo:

yeah, I was gonna say.. "made in japan" used to mean cheap crap

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Beirdo:

now it's quality stuff

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Kevorkian:

bought a hundi last year .. made in Michigan ..

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Beirdo:

hyundai?

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Beirdo:

those are Korean

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Beirdo:

:)

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Kevorkian:

your thinking of kia

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Beirdo:

no I'm not

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Beirdo:

Hyundai is one of the largest Korean companies

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Kevorkian:

yea .. you are .. hyundai is 100% japan

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Beirdo:

and so is Samsung

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Kevorkian:

hmmm

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Kevorkian:

ok .. perhaps it is korea

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Beirdo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai

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Beirdo:

heh

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Kevorkian:

but even so .. it was made here .. at least the final asembly was done in mi

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Beirdo:

they made Hyundai to make cars in Korea so Koreans wouldn't buy Japanese cars... (one of the reported reasons)

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Kevorkian:

oh wait .. might have been alabama

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Kevorkian:

now I gota go find the sticker

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Beirdo:

yeah, I had a Honda Accord... made in Columbus, OH

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Kevorkian:

just saying that eventulay it will even out

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Beirdo:

just wait until they start making em all in China

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Kevorkian:

and selling em in walmart

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

anyways, back to myth

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Kevorkian:

oph shit .. this is funny

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Kevorkian:

hundai is part of kia

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Beirdo:

is now

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Kevorkian:

thats funny ..

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Dr_willis:

I work for DaimlerChrysler.. :)

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Beirdo:

they bought Kia in 1998

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modorf:

Beirdo, now if we can get the cars to run myth, then that would be on topic

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Kevorkian:

the loan on this car is thru capatol one .. and one of the big notes on it was "can not be used to buy anythign from kia"

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Beirdo:

that would be a bit distracting but cool

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Kevorkian:

what would be so hard about myth in a car ??

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Kevorkian:

perfect for running myth

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cesman:

modorf: perhaps you should google 'mythtv in car'

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Kevorkian:

IR remote ..

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Kevorkian:

very small form factor ..

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** cesman use to own a Kia **

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modorf:

Kevorkian, I'm not talking about a mac-mini or pc in the car, I'm talking about using the car's control computer

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Beirdo:

modorf, I wouldn't trust myth code on that computer

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Kevorkian:

That would be stupid

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** cesman would sooner own another than _any_ Dodge **

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Beirdo:

sorry, but I don't want Qt crashing my car

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Kevorkian:

Opps MYTH crashed .. why did my airbag pop ??

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modorf:

but that is the silliness I'm talking about

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mkrufky:

...i know i joined late, but now i am curious.... why would anyone possibly want to run mythtv on the car's internal computer??

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modorf:

but I think we could all insert our own windows running a car jokes

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Kevorkian:

might be cool to connect it to the odbc data buss and allow inteaction that way .. but not ON the engine computer

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mkrufky:

that would give a whole new meaning to BSOD

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modorf:

mkrufky, they were talking about cars and then beirdo said we should get back to myth and then I mentioned we could talk about installing myth in the cars

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mkrufky:

lol, ok makes sense

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Kevorkian:

mkrufky, started with .. WALMART IS EVIl .. then cheap labor in china .. then cheap labor in japan .. then jap cars made in the usa .. then they tried to turn it back to MYTH .. so it was myth running on a car

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mkrufky:

hahahaha

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mkrufky:

thanks for the recap, guys :-)

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modorf:

np

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Kevorkian:

OH wait .. juski also has issues with animations playing in theams

[16:41:37]

Kevorkian:

almost forgot about that part

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mkrufky:

did mythlogbot kill himself today?

[16:42:12]

Kevorkian:

who knows ..

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** mkrufky thinks that Beirdo would know **

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Kevorkian:

so which would be better ,, a "normal" receiver .. or woudl a sat based set up work better ??

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Kevorkian:

for said MythCar

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mkrufky:

wierd... ok the logbot *is* working

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mkrufky:

mythcar while in motion, or mythcar parked under a tree?

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Kevorkian:

I woudl say both

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modorf:

thinking I would go with Sat. You can get a roof mounted dish kinda like the ones used on boats and RVs, to auto locate and lock onto a sat

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Kevorkian:

and unless it was winter .. leaves might interfer with say

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Kevorkian:

sat even

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mkrufky:

i think the dish might be too much high maintenence, and might upset the cops

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mkrufky:

but using normal dvb-t would be rather shotty while in motion

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Kevorkian:

not if its under teh dome mkrufky

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mkrufky:

troo

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Kevorkian:

why would it be shotty ?

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Kevorkian:

your fm radio works .. same concept

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modorf:

I know there are DirectTV dishes for boats that are on gyroscopes and can handle a good amount of roll without loosing signal lock

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mkrufky:

Kevorkian: maybe it would be fine... i dunno

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Kevorkian:

hmmm .. I wonder if a gyro woudl really be needed ?

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mkrufky:

all i *DO* know, is that OTA atsc hardly even works in my apartment without a strong in-line amp

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Dagmar:

Your FM radio works with a seemingly stable signal because ther'es quite a lot of circuitry in there to make it get a stable signal while you're in motion

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Kevorkian:

I think that a matrix of 5 recieve points would be better then any sort of atempt to stablize

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modorf:

Kevorkian, have you ever used satalite tv?

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Kevorkian:

yeppers

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modorf:

Kevorkian, what was your experiance with signal stregth when you moved the dish just a little bit

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RyeBrye:

FWIW to anyone who cares, the problem I had earlier with mpeg2enc was not in the myth codebase at all – but the ATRPMs package for mjpegtools has a broken mpeg2enc that simply spits out the "mpeg2enc is broken" message rather than doing anything else...

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Kevorkian:

modorf, my point was that an array of 5 recieve points might be better and a seek to best recieve .. would be better then trying to stabliaze via an gyro based system

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mkrufky:

RyeBrye: maybe you should file a bug to atrpms

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Kevorkian:

something like this

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Kevorkian:

1

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Kevorkian:

234

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Kevorkian:

5

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Kevorkian:

oppe

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Kevorkian:

5

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, i'm going to send a bug report in – I've got to set up a bugzilla account first there

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Kevorkian:

now NORMALy you woudl have it lined up on point 3 ..

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Kevorkian:

but you use the others to tell you where to seek to for the best signal

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Kevorkian:

have then be .. perhaps .. a deg or two out of line .. and wham .. no need for gyros

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RyeBrye:

I think launching a tethered satellite of your own that would have a low-earth orbit might be more practical... it would probably get really good reception up there – but you would have to use a shielded cable to connect to that satellite or you might get a noisy signal

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RyeBrye:

;)

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Kevorkian:

why woudl you want low orbit ??

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RyeBrye:

Cost of cable :)

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Kevorkian:

they move way too fast

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RyeBrye:

True, but it'd give you an excuse to speed

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RyeBrye:

"Officer, I have to go this fast – my satellite is tethered on a relatively short cable"

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mkrufky:

you mean, run a cable from the satellite in the sky all the way down to the ground ?!?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah :)

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RyeBrye:

It'd save you on having to put a gyro on your car, or have multiple reception points

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mkrufky:

lol ... may as well add some wooden handles to the cable, so that you can climb up to the heavens like they tried to do in that SOUTH PARK episode

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mkrufky:

(the one when butters faked his own death)

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gpd:

is it possible to get radio listings for Freeview channels?

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gpd:

looks like I can use EIT or bleb.org

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gpd:

http://www.tonywhitmore.co.uk/cgi-local/wiki. . . . ox/TakeThree

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mike3_:

so i got a wide screen tv with vga and sound in. I've only set my xorg.conf file up with a reslution of 1024x768 and on the tv I enabled wide screen. Is this the way it's done?

[17:24:26]

gpd:

that probably isnt the best resolution: depends on your tv

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mike3_:

is there anything more I need to do with xorg for a wide screen tv?

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gpd:

for 720p you want 1280x720@60

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Neeesat25:

I am trying to compile qt-embedded-free-3.3.5 but I get: /usr/local/src/qt-embedded-free-3.3.5/bin/uic: error while loading shared libraries: libqte-mt.so.3

[17:25:04]

gpd:

if you have an nvidia card you can use nvidia-settings and not mess about with xorg.conf

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mike3_:

gpd, I'm wondering if my video card is at fault. I've setup metamodes and 1280x720 as the first option with no luck

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Neeesat25:

Did anyone using myth in frame buffer?

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gpd:

what card? I know one of mine doesn't go that high

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ubuntuEdgy:

ello

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mike3_:

geforce 2 mmx

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mike3_:

mx

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Neeesat:

Anyone using mythtv with frame buffer?

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gpd:

mike3_: yeah – that is older than the one i was using

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mike3_:

mx 200

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Kevorkian:

not mess around with xorg.conf ?? BUT ITS SO MUCH FUN ..

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gpd:

mike3_: do you get any picture at all with 1024x768?

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mike3_:

oh yah.

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mike3_:

that's what it's set at right now

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mike3_:

works fine

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gpd:

mike3_: so your question is how to get widescreen resolution?

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Kevorkian:

1024X768 isnt a "wide" resolution.

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mike3_:

gpd, let's backup here and forget that

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mike3_:

the video card says it can do 1920x1440:75 Hz

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Kevorkian:

question would be ,, will the tv do that at 75 ..

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Kevorkian:

wait . will that even work with vga ?

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Kevorkian:

I know there is .. at least in theory .. a limit to vga

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mike3_:

Hrm. I got a list of reslutions on a page

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mike3_:

what is 720p ?

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Kevorkian:

just that vga is still an analouge signal ..

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Kevorkian:

that woudl refer to the second part of the number

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Kevorkian:

as in .. 1280X720 ..

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mike3_:

so that's what 1280x720 ?

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Kevorkian:

and the p .. means progresive ..

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Kevorkian:

non interlaced

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mike3_:

which means?

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gpd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

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mike3_:

yah this video card does not do 1280x720

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Kevorkian:

then you wont get a "true" wide screen picture

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mike3_:

got'cha.. Well I do have another computer sitting around that is suppose to replace my current myth box. Just time and money is all..

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Kevorkian:

your tv can most likely fake it .. and stretch it ..

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mike3_:

which is what it's doing right now

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mike3_:

but at a reslution of 1024x768

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mike3_:

because that's what the vid card can do

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gpd:

depends on the TV – if you have a VGA port on your TV you might be able to do 1024x640 etc...

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Kevorkian:

or 848X480

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Kevorkian:

but thats more depends on what the card will do

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gpd:

I had to install windows, run powerstrip and find out what my card / tv could do

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ubuntuEdgy:

seen juski

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ubuntuEdgy:

/seen juski

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ubuntuEdgy:

some one please show me hot to do this

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Kevorkian:

I think its !seen

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ubuntuEdgy:

!seen juski

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MythLogBot:

juski is here and has been idle for 1 hour 52 minutes 15 seconds

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ubuntuEdgy:

!thnak

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ubuntuEdgy:

!bot snack

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Kevorkian:

Might even be able to msg the bot with that also

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Kevorkian:

!trout ubuntuEdgy

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** MythLogBot slaps ubuntuEdgy with a trout on behalf of Kevorkian... **

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ubuntuEdgy:

thanks for that

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** gpd notes subtble hint from Kevorkian **

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gpd:

ubuntuEdgy: shouldn't you be ubuntuFeisty by now?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh needs updating

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wastrel:

i still have a breezy box

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ubuntuEdgy:

i like edy better any way

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ubuntuEdgy:

my server is running edgy

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ubuntuEdgy:

breezy, why

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wastrel:

haven't felt like upgrading it

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ubuntuEdgy:

its so easy

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wastrel:

less easy than not upgrading it

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ubuntuEdgy:

.....your lazy bro .

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wastrel:

i think you haven't had a lot of broken upgrades

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ubuntuEdgy:

nah, just the odd lircd

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

out of the many upgrades I've done, 2 or 3 were nearly disastrous

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ubuntuEdgy:

how

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ubuntuEdgy:

what dose it say, or ask for

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Beirdo:

one of them wouldn't finish the LVM upgrade, and nearly broke the file server

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wastrel:

broken dependencies incomplete upgrade apt segfaulting

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Beirdo:

thank goodness I knew my way around hacking the crap outta dpkg library files

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ubuntuEdgy:

i see.

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Beirdo:

another upgraded to a new kernel that wouldn't work on the hardware, needed backing out until it got fixed

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Beirdo:

forgot the other one, but it was painful

[17:52:11]

Beirdo:

but most ubuntu upgrades have been nearly uneventful

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Kevorkian:

awww.. playing apt and pray ..

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ubuntuEdgy:

i never had to do that. only thing is i once loaded the old kernel at things didnt work.

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Beirdo:

one of my machines was originally warty and has been upgraded all the way up to feisty

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one whos bored can play on this interesting game http://teppo.tv/pelisali/index_en.html

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ubuntuEdgy:

very nice beirdo

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ubuntuEdgy:

you use stumble upon on firefox ?

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maelstrom:

hello sirs

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planktonboy:

does anyone know why installing mythplugins svn with that mythweather patch would try to overwrite /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtbeginS.0

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cyrexion:

hi guys. has anyone successfully installed the hd-5500 drivers in the latest version of knoppmyth (r5e50) ? If so, can someone help me with it? I don't know if a complete kernel re-compile is needed or what...

[18:15:28]

planktonboy:

I appkied to same patch to same version svn build on another machine and it installed fine

[18:15:38]

planktonboy:

applied even :)

[18:16:09]

planktonboy:

but on my main mythpc it comes up with this error

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planktonboy:

dpkg: error processing mythplugins_0.20-svn20070612–1_i386.deb (--install):

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planktonboy:

trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/crtbeginS.o', which is also in package gcc-4.1

[18:16:26]

planktonboy:

dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)

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planktonboy:

Errors were encountered while processing:

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planktonboy:

anyone know how I could try and resolve that?

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charlieS:

remove gcc-4.1, reinstall mythplugins, reinstall gcc

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planktonboy:

charlieS, ok will try that, thanks

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planktonboy:

I have just installed ot without the patch and it worked fine

[18:30:05]

planktonboy:

but I will try again with the patch and uninstall gcc 4.1 first

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cyrexion:

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cesman:

planktonboy: where did you get that package?

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planktonboy:

cesman I built it myself

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planktonboy:

from svn trunk

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cesman:

using?

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planktonboy:

cesman how do you mean?

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cesman:

how did you built the package?

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planktonboy:

using checkinstall

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cesman:

there are tools such as checkinstall that...

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planktonboy:

ubuntu feisty

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planktonboy:

yup

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cesman:

odd that it would include that file...

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planktonboy:

yes

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cesman:

dpkg --force-overwrite -i your.deb

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planktonboy:

as I say, I built exactly the same using same revision same patch on other pc and it worked fine

[18:47:22]

planktonboy:

cesman, yeah I was thinking of that but wasnt sure how a force-overwrite would affect the gcc 4.1 package

[18:47:31]

planktonboy:

might try that next

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planktonboy:

just going to try 1 more time and look inside the makefile that the patch changes to see if it adds anything there

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planktonboy:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3327

[18:49:36]

planktonboy:

that is the patch I am trying to apply

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cesman:

I don't think it is the patch

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cesman:

checkinstall F'd somewhere along the way and included that file in your deb

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cesman:

as you built it, forcing the overwrite should be safe

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planktonboy:

ok will try that

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planktonboy:

thanks mate

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planktonboy:

I'll let you know how that gets on :)

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cesman:

perhaps if your where planktongirl, you could call me mate ;)

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planktonboy:

in a few moments

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cesman:

you're welcome

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planktonboy:

LOL

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a5benwillis:

planktonboy: that patch worked for me...

[19:04:31]

mtnbkr-laptop:

I have just finished getting my 2nd diskless minimyth frontend running. Both are using a VIA EPIA ME6000G Fanless Mini-ITX Mainboard with 512MB ram. This one, however runs with a high CPU load 1.5 to 2+ while watching video and the sound will often 'skip' for a split second... anything I might be able to do to lessen the load and stop the skipping?

[19:05:08]

planktonboy:

a5benwillis, yeah it worked on my other machine

[19:05:49]

mtnbkr-laptop:

BTW, that board comes with a 600MHz CPU

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planktonboy:

and the patch applied fine, its just the install that isnt working, but I am going to try again and check it out, and will report back shortly

[19:08:00]

planktonboy:

just made a boo boo so have to re make again :(

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mkrufky:

mtnbkr-laptop: how much did it cost you to build your diskless mythfrontend ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

it would cost less i guess

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mkrufky:

mtnbkr-laptop: ...and does it play HDTV smoothly? (i understand your problem is audio, but how is the video?)

[19:14:21]

mtnbkr-laptop:

mkrufky: I don;t have, nor really plan on getting HD. I'm pretty sure that this motherbord/CPU combo would not be able to handle that.

[19:15:02]

ubuntuEdgy:

thats a nice set up mtn

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mtnbkr-laptop:

about $350/front end. the case is sweet. Casetronic C134 Mini-ITX Case – Black (C134B)

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ubuntuEdgy:

very nice

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mtnbkr-laptop:

got 1TB of RAID0 drive space on the dhcp/mysql/dhcp/tftp/mythbackend server which has a PVR-350 2-tuner card and a secondary backend with another PVR-350 in my primary worksatation (AMD Athlon X2 64bit 2GHz)

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mkrufky:

ah, pretty cool, mtnbkr-laptop

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ubuntuEdgy:

im in pressed

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ubuntuEdgy:

impressed *

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mtnbkr-laptop:

mkrufky: regarding the 'skipping' it is random, and very very short... but enough so that the ear notices and it is annoying. :)

[19:18:18]

mkrufky:

.... the 2-tuner card is probably a pvr500 .... the pvr350 is a single tuner with video out + mpeg decoder

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mtnbkr-laptop:

the video probably also skips, but a skipped frame or two, I might not be noticing

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mkrufky:

what are you using to decode the video ?

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mtnbkr-laptop:

re: pvr-500 – yeah, I made a typo – twice lol

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

if you have a pvr350, you should put it in the mini-itx frontend box, and let it do audio+video decoding in hardware

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mtnbkr-laptop:

no, I have 2 pvr500's and the case I bought for the FE's will not accomodate a pci card. That was on purpose actually.

[19:20:32]

mkrufky:

ah, so the video is on-board?

[19:20:41]

daviess1:

hi, does anyone know if it's possible to get a hauppauge dec2000-t working with 0.20?

[19:21:07]

mtnbkr-laptop:

oh, yeah the VIA EPIA ME6000G has a ton of features onboard

[19:21:16]

mkrufky:

daviess1: does the device initialize correctly? (you should see it if you do dmesg|grep DVB )

[19:21:27]

mtnbkr-laptop:

wtf? phone ringing, called ID says "The Tax Club"

[19:21:30]

daviess1:

yep, it's working in mplayer et al

[19:21:41]

mkrufky:

mtnbkr-laptop: lol The Tax Club — run & hide!

[19:21:55]

mtnbkr-laptop:

first rule of Tax club....

[19:21:57]

mkrufky:

daviess1: then it will work in mythtv, too .... just set it up as a DVB device

[19:22:04]

mkrufky:

we do not talk about Tax Club

[19:22:10]

mkrufky:

:-P

[19:22:13]

daviess1:

i have, but it seems to never lock onto a (known working) signal

[19:22:33]

** laga hugs xris for flash streaming in mythweb **

[19:22:35]

mkrufky:

daviess1: did you try to scan for channels from within mythtv-setup ?

[19:22:47]

mkrufky:

flash streaming in mythweb?!?! hot!

[19:23:02]

daviess1:

only from my primary card which works fine, not dared try it with the dec2000

[19:23:19]

daviess1:

does that need to scan too or do they use the same database?

[19:23:25]

mkrufky:

the same database

[19:23:38]

mtnbkr-laptop:

mkrufky: unders settings, TV settings, Playback, the "Preferred MPED2 decoder" is set to VIA XvMC should I change that? It seems like a reasonable choice for a VIA board. :)

[19:23:44]

mkrufky:

but its possible that the dec2000 needs an offset, and that's rather annoying

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laga:

mkrufky: in svn trunk, yes.

[19:24:09]

juski:

dec2000? EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWW

[19:24:12]

** mkrufky is missing out on tons of cool stuff by not using svn trunk **

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daviess1:

mkrufky: it works using the same channels.conf as the other card in mplayer though

[19:24:42]

mkrufky:

wierd... then scanning for channels should not help, daviess1

[19:24:57]

daviess1:

juski: yes, i know, but using something i have already instead of buying a new one is cheaper ;)

[19:24:59]

mkrufky:

mtnbkr-laptop: does the video driver support XvMC ?

[19:25:22]

mkrufky:

mtnbkr-laptop: it wont hurt to try the other options... libmpeg2 works well for many also

[19:25:40]

juski:

daviess1: does it work any better in linux than it doesn in linux? I've heard all kinds of stories where it just locks up & needs to be power cycled

[19:25:48]

juski:

wtf am I talking about?

[19:25:57]

mtnbkr-laptop:

not sure about XvMC... Gonna try a few of the other choices

[19:26:03]

juski:

daviess1: does it work any better in linux than it does in *windows* ? I've heard all kinds of stories where it just locks up & needs to be power cycled

[19:26:17]

mkrufky:

mtnbkr-laptop: let me know what happens, if im still here — im curious

[19:26:25]

ubuntuEdgy:

have you guys seen this http://www.picotux.com/

[19:26:35]

daviess1:

juski: i've never had a problem with it in linux before, not had it on windows for a very long time

[19:28:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

hey juski ProjectGrayhem looks really good

[19:28:10]

daviess1:

mythtv just sits there saying L__ NPartial Lock

[19:28:24]

daviess1:

Partial Lock even

[19:29:00]

juski:

janneg: ping! got the flyers today thanks very much :)

[19:29:05]

mtnbkr-laptop:

libmpeg2 was far worse audio skipping bit system load was around 1.0

[19:29:27]

juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: I get that on my alleged 1Ghz EPIA PoS board

[19:29:40]

geemark:

i just installed the MythTV frontend under gentoo – it complains that it cannot connect to the database at localhost, even though I created a new /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt file that points to my backend... what could be wrong?

[19:29:44]

juski:

varies with minimyth version & which recordings I try to play back

[19:30:49]

mkrufky:

geemark: are you the 'mythtv' user when calling mythfrontend ?

[19:30:55]

Dibblah:

juski: You got an EPIA you don't want? ;)

[19:31:01]

mkrufky:

geemark: oops, bad question

[19:31:08]

juski:

Dibblah: haven't made up my mind yet.

[19:31:13]

Dibblah:

:)

[19:31:18]

mkrufky:

geemark: that file needs to be in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[19:31:31]

geemark:

mkrufky, ah, thanks

[19:31:44]

** Dibblah needs a cheaper to run backend :( **

[19:32:00]

mkrufky:

geemark: good luck — that one had me wondering for a _very_ long time when i first got started with myth

[19:32:07]

geemark:

hehe

[19:32:31]

Dibblah:

geemark: You mean ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[19:32:32]

Dibblah:

?

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mkrufky:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ..... i dont know if it ever even looks there

[19:32:48]

Dibblah:

Ahem ;)

[19:32:50]

Dibblah:

Sorry.

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mkrufky:

'sall good Dibblah :-)

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mtnbkr-laptop:

heh try running MY setup... lol AND... I recently moved the database and 'master' backend to a new server... lol Good thing I have some SQL skilz

[19:33:12]

laga:

do you have "skills" or "skilz"?

[19:33:22]

mkrufky:

he's got mad skillz

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mtnbkr-laptop:

lol

[19:33:34]

laga:

ph34r

[19:33:35]

mtnbkr-laptop:

5k1lz

[19:33:38]

laga:

;)

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mtnbkr-laptop:

mkrufky: hmmm I THINK it was the deinterlacing setting causing me headaches. runs with a MUCH lower load and NO audio skipping with deinterlacing diabled

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mkrufky:

ah, i should have thought of that, mtnbkr-laptop ...

[19:35:59]

mkrufky:

turning off deinterlacing will give you lesser load, although VIDEO playback may not be as smooth

[19:36:42]

juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: using minimyth? there's something wrong with that distro on every odd numbered release

[19:36:53]

mtnbkr-laptop:

yeah, minimyth

[19:36:54]

MindHack:

Im having a mythtv issue Ive had before, I just canot remember the fix: mythweb is showing entries in the "recording schedules" page, but not the "upcoming recordings". Futhermore, nothing is being recorded anymore

[19:37:04]

juski:

I've given up trying to debug it

[19:37:22]

RyeBrye:

MindHak – do you have listings?

[19:37:28]

laga:

MindHack: sounds like a problem with your input connections, you better check them

[19:37:42]

juski:

MindHack: try restarting mythbackend with the --resched option

[19:37:54]

mtnbkr-laptop:

it pretty much 'just works' on my other VIA M/B and now this one too.

[19:37:55]

MindHack:

didn't have listings before, but I ran mythfill a few days ago, fixed the issue. I'll check the input

[19:38:10]

MindHack:

juski: I'll give that a whack first

[19:38:31]

juski:

mtnbkr-laptop: yeah it 'pretty much works' on my box, every other release won't play back any recordings from BBC channels without pausing every 5 to 10 seconds

[19:38:56]

juski:

it'd help a lot if minimyth didn't always use bleeding edge versions of *everything*

[19:39:25]

juski:

and if between some revisions, maybe not upgrade *everything* 'just because'

[19:39:27]

MindHack:

hmm, connection timeout, weird.....

[19:39:28]

juski:

grrr

[19:39:54]

mtnbkr-laptop:

the only issue I have lately is that the master backend's NFS processes 'hang' top shows that they are all in uninterruptable sleep 'D' and I have physically power cycle that machine. My next stop is google to see if I can remedy that.

[19:40:11]

MindHack:

juski: running that command works if backend is running...

[19:40:33]

juski:

MindHack: mythweb won't work if the backend is stopped, silly

[19:41:13]

MindHack:

I know:p

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janneg:

juski: you're welcome

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MindHack:

yup, lack of input connections indeed, laga

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daviess1:

juski, mkrufky: is there anything else i can try to find out where my dec2000t problem lies?

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mkrufky:

daviess1: sorry, gettin busy over here

[19:57:56]

mkrufky:

err.... that came out all wrong :-P

[19:58:03]

daviess1:

heheh no problem

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mkrufky:

daviess1: i have no suggestions... perhaps you may want to google a bit about this.... probably somebody may have some solution on the linux-dvb mailing list?

[19:58:27]

mkrufky:

or.........

[19:58:44]

mkrufky:

pull out the other card (just for a test) and try scanning for channels with the dec2000t only

[19:59:02]

daviess1:

i've spent the last 4 hours googling, there are so many things saying it does work, then it doesn't, then it requires a patch I got lost ;)

[19:59:24]

daviess1:

i'll give it a shot, ta

[20:02:10]

mkrufky:

sorry i dont have a better suggestion

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daviess1:

mkrufky: the closest useful thing i found was http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2457 which seems to suggest it doesn't work, but i was hoping something would have been changed since then

[20:04:27]

mkrufky:

daviess1: but, you're saying it works fine in mplayer

[20:04:36]

mkrufky:

it works in all apps but not mythtv ??

[20:06:41]

daviess1:

heh, actually mplayer is the only video software i have on that box but on my laptop it works in everything..but i don't have mythtv to test

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Janneman_:

Anyone succeeded in running the masterbackend on Debian NSLU2?

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Janneman_:

Anyone succeeded in running the masterbackend on Debian NSLU2?

[20:17:22]

mkrufky:

nobody answered when you asked eight minutes ago, Janneman_ :-P

[20:17:36]

Janneman_:

ohh there's live here :)

[20:17:40]

mkrufky:

i know many people use the NSLU2 with a pvrusb2 using shell scripts

[20:17:49]

mkrufky:

but i have not heard of anybody doing it with mythbackend

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Janneman_:

i want a NSLU2 without tunercards

[20:17:57]

mkrufky:

although it may be possible — u dunno

[20:18:00]

mkrufky:

s/u/i

[20:18:18]

mkrufky:

what good is a mythbackend without a tuner card?

[20:18:23]

Janneman_:

and a slave PC with tunercards...the master (also scheduler) wakeups the slave when it needs to record

[20:19:01]

** mkrufky doesnt see the point in this **

[20:19:04]

Janneman_:

nslu2 is always on and available at low cost

[20:19:08]

Janneman_:

it's the brain

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: most use them for offloading the commflagging or transcoding to another Cpu

[20:19:32]

Janneman_:

that's the second step

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mkrufky:

ah, ok.... so it would just be in charge of assigning jobs?

[20:19:49]

Janneman_:

just need to running the brain and mythweb

[20:19:58]

Janneman_:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: No, it would , dependong on your setup, just take jobs that are needing to be done and do them

[20:20:15]

Janneman_:

checking the database for program's to record

[20:20:20]

Janneman_:

it also runs mythweb

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mkrufky:

ah.... ok that makes more sense

[20:20:39]

Janneman_:

so I can plan recordings from anywhere even from my mobile!!!

[20:20:55]

Janneman_:

the concept rocks

[20:21:05]

Janneman_:

and I am not the only one that wants this

[20:21:16]

Janneman_:

and it should be possible

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Janneman_:

are there any mythtv packaged for debian?

[20:21:35]

GreyFoxx:

I'm sure there are

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Janneman_:

which apt source?

[20:21:48]

GreyFoxx:

debian: is popular enough that there must be

[20:21:52]

GreyFoxx:

that I wouldn't know :)

[20:21:56]

Janneman_:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use packages nor debian, so I'm not the best to answer that one :)

[20:22:30]

Janneman_:

in ubuntu there are!

[20:22:43]

Janneman_:

it's also based on debian right?

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GreyFoxx:

I think they have their own

[20:22:59]

GreyFoxx:

theirs are likely very ubuntu specific

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mkrufky:

knoppmyth is debian based also

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Janneman_:

someone succeeded in compiling mythtv on nslu2?

[20:26:20]

RyeBrye:

Anyone else like to build their stuff from scratch – not using makefiles?

[20:26:35]

RyeBrye:

(as in – you write each line to make each .o file, and manually write the line to link them)

[20:26:48]

RyeBrye:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

RyeBrye: I do for most stuff I write

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GreyFoxx:

but eventually I end up making a Makefile for it

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Janneman_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch

[20:30:26]

GreyFoxx:

Or was that sarcasm ?

[20:30:27]

Janneman_:

found this

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: The real question is, what kind of cpu and such is in it. Myth might not compile on that platform

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Janneman_:

you don't need a fat cpu/mem just to check the database when to send a wol packet to another pc

[20:33:17]

Janneman_:

on nslu2 there will only be running some background services which are triggered now and then

[20:33:26]

Janneman_:

mythtv scheduler

[20:33:35]

Janneman_:

etc

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: I'm not talikng about speed or any such thing

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GreyFoxx:

I'm talking about the type of processor

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Janneman_:

or sorry

[20:34:01]

Janneman_:

ARM 266mhz i think

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be extremely suprised if it would compile without some code changes

[20:34:33]

GreyFoxx:

What are you planning on use it for ?

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Nik_Doof:

are there any 0.20-fixes packages available for ubuntu?

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Janneman_:

see my previous messages

[20:38:51]

Janneman_:

tomorrow i will try the url posted above

[20:39:10]

Janneman_:

i will use these apt sources:

[20:39:12]

Janneman_:

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main

[20:39:12]

Janneman_:

deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main

[20:39:24]

Janneman_:

found it in: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch

[20:39:45]

Janneman_:

hopefully i can apt-get install mythtv-backend

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Janneman_:

thanks and cu

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planktonboy:

well pleased to say that the mythweather patch worked after a force-override

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planktonboy:

dont know why it wanted to overwrite those files, but it seems to be ok

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planktonboy:

anyway, enough for today. bbl, and thanks again all :)

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tcpsyn:

I would like to run two seperate x servers so that I can have mythfrontend run on one, and beryl on the other. Is anyone using a similar configuration?

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tcpsyn:

Beryl doesn't do the dual screen thing

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jduggan:

er, ive used beryl on dual screen?

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tcpsyn:

it's not supported, and it doesn't work for me. They say ymmv

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hads:

Not really a mythtv question though

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tcpsyn:

sure it is.

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hads:

Um, no it's not.

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tcpsyn:

I'm asking if anyone is starting their frontend on a dedicated x server and using the other for normal tasks.

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tcpsyn:

It's most certainly a mythtv question.

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hads:

Riight

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tcpsyn:

regardless, a simple no would be a more informative answer.

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jonesy__:

tcpsyn : you can certainly run two X servers, and dedicate one to mythtv

[22:33:07]

jonesy__:

mythfrontend rather

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tcpsyn:

are you running like that? Could I see your xorg?

[22:33:21]

jonesy__:

I'm not sorry

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tcpsyn:

damn.

[22:33:30]

tcpsyn:

wh.

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tcpsyn:

eh

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jonesy__:

but what you'd do is have two xorg.confs

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tcpsyn:

well. It looks like beryl released a fix

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tcpsyn:

so I might not have to

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jonesy__:

and start two instances of X each set to use it's own conf file

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jonesy__:

ok, cool :)

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jduggan:

tcpsyn: whoever told u that? its bs http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Beryl_FAQ# . . . _monitors.3F

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tcpsyn:

jduggan, this is new.

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tcpsyn:

jduggan, as of last week it still said multiple screens were unsupported.

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jduggan:

thats rubbish

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jduggan:

because i installed it months ago

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jduggan:

on debian

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tcpsyn:

No, it isn't.

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jduggan:

and read that very same doc

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tcpsyn:

http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php? . . . k=t&sd=a

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juski:

beryl the peril :-P

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tcpsyn:

jduggan, that's what I was reading, straight from the horses mouth.

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help with my script http://pastebin.ca/565244

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ubuntuEdgy:

pls

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hads:

Help what?

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ubuntuEdgy:

it dose not work

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ubuntuEdgy:

pc wont go off

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ubuntuEdgy:

mythwecome says it will shutdown it 5 seconds but never dose

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ubuntuEdgy:

the default script worked thou.

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kingborel:

change shutdown check to exit 0 to see if it's a problem with the script or something else first

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ubuntuEdgy:

i did

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ubuntuEdgy:

mythwelcome stops counting down

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kingborel:

it work then?

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ubuntuEdgy:

it just says "mythtv is idle"

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hads:

You need to read some man pages and some shell scripting basics to start with

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have

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tcpsyn:

hads, you are unbelievably unhelpful.

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hads:

Thanks :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

thats how i got the , ping |head |

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kingborel:

you using ACPI or nvram?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i just need a scrip so that ther other pc wont shut down while pc 169.168.1.6 is on

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ubuntuEdgy:

im using ACPI

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kingborel:

GL

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kingborel:

thats a bitch to get working with mythwelcom e

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ubuntuEdgy:

acpi 0.09

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ubuntuEdgy:

it all worked before. but the pc would shutdown when im using it

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ubuntuEdgy:

*remotely*

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont see why it wont work because. ping 192.168.1.6 | head | grep -q "64 bytes from" from a terminal gives me the results I'm after.

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ubuntuEdgy:

with out the -q

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hads:

ubuntuEdgy: What happens when you run that script by hand. You should get a syntax error because it's not right.

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ubuntuEdgy:

unless the pc still sends the "bytes " even when its off

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont

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ubuntuEdgy:

look

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hads:

Don't paste anything here if you are thinking about it.

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ubuntuEdgy:

x:~$ ping 192.168.1.6 | head | grep "64 bytes from"

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ubuntuEdgy:

64 bytes from 192.168.1.6: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.027 ms

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ubuntuEdgy:

64 bytes from 192.168.1.6: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.025 ms

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ubuntuEdgy:

oops

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hads:

I didn't say when you run that line, I said when you run that script.

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gnome42:

if ping -q -c1 google.com; then echo bang! ; fi

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ubuntuEdgy:

sould i run that ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

paste it at the end of the script ?

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** hads goes back to work **

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gnome42:

ubuntuEdgy: you should, and you should figure out what's going on with it too :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

we will all miss you

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gnome42:

sorry, hads. I thought I was helping :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

like this http://pastebin.ca/565299

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juski:

hey blootube-wide fans.. doing you a favour & optomising it now.. all those big backgrounds are only going to be the bits that need to be different from the usual background :)

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hads:

gnome42: No need to be sorry, you were helping! I just should be working :)

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hads:

gnome42: You were more helpful than me being grumpy anyway :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

dont say

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ubuntuEdgy:

were will i see this echo bang!

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gnome42:

ubuntuEdgy: You need to spend a few minutes experimenting and trying to understand what's actually happening there.

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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ubuntuEdgy:

echo bang will be in a log file

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ubuntuEdgy:

?

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gnome42:

hads k, cool

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jarle:

"bang!" will be written to stdio

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ubuntuEdgy:

pls dont

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gnome42:

ubuntuEdgy: run it at the cmd prompt and try running it in a file a.k.a. script – thats experimenting :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

is it possible to it do two things like this , if ping -q -c1 google.com; then echo bang! ; fi

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ubuntuEdgy:

and then underthat line add if ping -q -c1 yahoo.com; then echo banggggggggggggg! ; fi

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ubuntuEdgy:

then exit 0

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ubuntuEdgy:

else exit 1

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ubuntuEdgy:

thanks all it work

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