Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, June 12th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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Beirdo:

xris, you got my message earlier?

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Beirdo:

OK, it would help if I actually recompiled ALL of it :)

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Beirdo:

sorry bout that

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Beirdo:

squigly, that's odd, dunno

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xris:

Beirdo: probably not. pm?

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squigly:

aah i think its a bug

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squigly:

some one had some thing like that previously

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squigly:

aah it only happens if the geomtry flag is being set

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squigly:

aah and it only happens when the gomtry is really weird

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juski:

squigly: a bug was recently fixed for something like that

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squigly:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1313 i found this one

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kash:

lol, i got mythtv-frontend to run on my PS2

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kash:

using the ps2 linux kit

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onewheelskyward:

That's a new one on me. Does it actually play video?

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kash:

yes

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kash:

i wish i had a camcorder or something

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onewheelskyward:

Cameraphone?

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cyrexion:

hi guys, how does one go about installing the drivers for the hd-5500 on knoppmytg r5e50 ?

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kash:

don't have video onit

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kash:

on it*

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juski:

squigly http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/267104

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stuarta:

think some sleep is in order

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squigly:

juski, is that for me?

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kash:

Sid`: i still haven't gotten the card

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kash:

i'm thinking that you scammed me for some reason

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kash:

and i got a call today that your CPUs are waiting for you to pick them up in customs

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Sid`:

i scammed you not

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cyrexion:

Can someone please help me? I am trying to install the Drivers for the pcHDTV HD-5500 on KnoppMyth R5E50, and simply running 'Make' errors out. Has anyone got this to work for them? Thanks.

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fryfrog:

did you ./configure?

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squigly:

cyrexion, what are the errors can you put them in a paste bin?

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cyrexion:

http://pastebin.ca/560179

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cyrexion:

and the kernel is 2.6.18-chw-13

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cyrexion:

fryfrog: there is no configure file

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Fnc_:

cyrexion: are they not automatically in that version?

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Fnc_:

cyrexion: you followed things in the Readme or install?

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squigly:

cyr3xion, still here?

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cyr3xion:

yes...

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squigly:

in the make file you have no rule to make a modules

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squigly:

do you have a linux source tree?

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cyr3xion:

I don't believe so.

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Fnc_:

yeah you have to get it for knoppmyth

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cyr3xion:

ok, I will get it

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Fnc_:

http://www.curious-contraptions.net/offsite/? . . . stom_all.deb

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Fnc_:

i think

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Fnc_:

wget ftp://knoppmyth.net/R5/linux-source-2.6.18-ch . . . stom_all.deb

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cyr3xion:

thanks

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cyr3xion:

ok, downloaded and extracted

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cyr3xion:

squigly: where do I go from here?

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squigly:

cyr3xion, is there a read me in the driver you downloaded?

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squigly:

I havnt done this my self i have different equipment

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squigly:

does chw-13 mean any thing to you?

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squigly:

it might be in the Makefile

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i10neorg:

Been running Debian testing, updated today, and now mythfrontend from debian-multimedia.org segfaults. Sound familiar?

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Teoz:

what file do I modify so that mythv outputs an interlaced signal?

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opello:

your x config?

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fxfitz_:

Hi. I just got mythtv setup today but I have one problem: The guide isn't correct. I used zap2it or whatever and all the channels are correct, but what is ON the channels is all wrong. Does anyone know??

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Beirdo:

fxfitz_, you sure the time on the backend machine is set correctly?

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Beirdo:

timezone and all?

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Teoz:

opello, no, I don't think so

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Teoz:

which file is that?

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Beirdo:

I think i'm gonna start heading for bed soon

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Teoz:

I loaded KnoppMyth on my box. Which file should I check?

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fxfitz_:

Beirdo, How do I make sure? :(

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Beirdo:

run 'date' at a login prompt

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Beirdo:

compare to reality

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fxfitz_:

Mon Jun 11 22:25:35 EDT 2007 --- looks good to me?

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fxfitz_:

Beirdo, Any more ideas?

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Beirdo:

well that's a good start. did you start the backend before changing the date/time earlier?

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Beirdo:

if so, restart the backend

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Fnc_:

toez, its in the setup

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fxfitz_:

No, the time has been the same for awhile now... but you know what? it is actually working fine now.

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fxfitz_:

It was not before I asked the question.

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Fnc_:

in myth congih

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Beirdo:

heh, at least it's right now

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boingolov:

anyone using the mediamvp as a myth frontend?

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fxfitz_:

Hehe. Thanks anyway!

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boingolov:

have read some blogs and some documentation to the effect that it is possible, but wondering if anyone in here wanted to chime in with "hey, this is rad!" or "hey, this thing sucks because..."

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Fnc_:

hey boingolov i was thinking aobut using the z500 and upnp

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boingolov:

z500 ?

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Fnc_:

ir seeing if i could compile myth on it

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Fnc_:

zensoinc

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boingolov:

you mean the pvr-500 ala hauppauge?

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boingolov:

hrm, not familiar ?

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Fnc_:

google zensonic z500 look for the overclockers au page

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boingolov:

will do

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boingolov:

very cool

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boingolov:

lil pricier than the mvp, but high def

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boingolov:

of course, I don't have a high def tv yet

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boingolov:

oh, only 720p

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boingolov:

the mvp does 720p

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Fnc_:

what price you seeing

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Fnc_:

?

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boingolov:

289

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Fnc_:

therse this one too

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Fnc_:

http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/DVD/cs510.asp

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i10neorg:

Debian testing segfaults mythfrontend on a dual screen setup right now.

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boingolov:

I am some months away from plunking down moneys just yet

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boingolov:

probably november-ish

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boingolov:

plenty of time to read up :)

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Fnc_:

yeah i got a lot of other projects i need to get done first

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boingolov:

same here

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boingolov:

I have read enough though to not want to bother with a less than adequate setup, i.e., buying a new machine to set this up on

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boingolov:

so I'm not going to even buy the tuners etc before I have that

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toad-six:

how do i force my system to run housekeeping?

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Beirdo:

run molly-maid?

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Fnc_:

i pretty much just followed the knoppmyth dragon, but am running fc on it

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toad-six:

i mean housekeeping for mythtv

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Beirdo:

heh

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toad-six:

to clean up the recordedprogram and recordedseek tables

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boingolov:

/etc/init.d/molly-maidd start

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Beirdo:

they should be self-cleaning when you delete recordings, no?

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toad-six:

i had some orphaned recordings in the recorded table

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toad-six:

so i deleted them via sql

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toad-six:

and now i want housekeeping to clean up the other trash in recordedseek and recordedprogram that's been orphaned

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Beirdo:

dunno if there's an automated way to do that

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boingolov:

you could write a script to go through the directory and files that don't have entries in the db, mebbe ?

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toad-six:

i see there's housekeeping.cpp – which appears to do what i'm looking for, but i don't know how to fire it off

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Anduin:

toad-six: Would have been better to create dummy files

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toad-six:

hindsight is 20/20 my friend :)

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boingolov:

heh, if only there was an rman for myth :)

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toad-six:

i know sql pretty well and could probably write the sql to find the orphaned records and delete them, but was wondering if it's simple to kick off housekeeping

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toad-six:

cuz i think that already does what i'm about to write the sql for

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boingolov:

toad-six, sounds like you could probably write that in 20 lines of perl or less ? not familiar with mythtv housekeeping though, probably an easier way, but still

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boingolov:

doesn't sound tough

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Fnc_:

toad-six: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Housekeeping_table

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Yeldarb:

hey all, i just got mythtv up and running on my ubuntu box (install was pretty painless) but i'm having some problems. Channels 1–13 work and come in nicely, but channels 14–44 are scrambled (it looks like static with colored horizontal lines running through it). The capture card is a PVR-150, any ideas?

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clever:

toad-six: if i had orphaned entrys in the db and no actual file id just tell it to delete the show normaly

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clever:

toad-six: it cleans up all thew tables and just emits a small error abotu not being able to delete the real video

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clever:

xris: you there?

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wastrel:

this caught my eye in the howto: Motherboards with the Via chipset are notoriously bad with DMA and have caused numerous issues with ivtv, including hard locks.

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wastrel:

I have a via chipset on my motherboard, is there something I can do to help avoid this problem, buy a different tuner card or something?

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hads:

Not so common with newer chipsets I believe.

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wastrel:

okey

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hads:

But it's something that you'd need to test with your individual hardware really.

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wastrel:

jolly

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wastrel:

i am rather ignorant about hardware, since i don't buy it often

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clever:

hads: any way to trigger the problem and crash it on purpose?

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hads:

No idea, I've never had the issues myself AFAIK, I don't use a VIA board anymore thoough.

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sphery:

buy a KM133/KT133 based system... :)

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sphery:

(yes, that's PC133... Old tech.

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clever:

i dont thin ive had the problem but my dell laptop used to lockup when changing settings in the video board

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clever:

X/textmode and sometimes freq res changes

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clever:

2007-06–11 23:17:05.968 MythSocket(8218500:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

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clever:

thats also anoying

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Yeldarb:

hmm.. in mythtv-setup, i just did a channel scan and sure enough it only found channels 2 through 13, anyone know what would cause this? if i plug the cable into a regular vcr and scan i get all the way up through channel 44

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Anduin:

Yeldarb: wrong frequency table

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clever:

on my masterbackend im getting a diff error but related

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clever:

2007-06–11 23:15:01.486 MythSocket(81f24a8:18): readStringList: Error, timeout.2007-06–11 23:15:01.486 Slave backend: media no longer connected2007-06–11 23:15:01.486 MythSocket(84cd960:19): writeStringList: Error, joined null string.

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Yeldarb:

anduin: how would i go about editting that?

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Anduin:

Yeldarb: and if you are using zap2it for analog cable, don't channel scan

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Anduin:

Yeldarb: change it in mythtv-setup

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Yeldarb:

anduin: i tried with zap2it without channel scan and it just had 14–44 looking scrambled.

[04:20:06]

Yeldarb:

anduin: ok thanks, i'll poke around

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Anduin:

Yeldarb: Yes, because you have the wrong frequency table

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Anduin:

Yeldarb: not us-bcast (or whatever you have it set to currently)

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Yeldarb:

anduin: it was set as default, should i change it to us-cable?

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Anduin:

Yeldarb: You should try other settings, default means use the global one

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Yeldarb:

anduin: ok, thanks, i'll mess around with that setting and see if it does the trick

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Anduin:

Yeldarb: the global on is on some other page, not looking at the setup currently though

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Yeldarb:

anduin: thank you so much, it looks like it's working

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PMantis:

Does MythTV support the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-500MCE? I don't see much of the PVR-300 mentioned in online stores.

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kormoc:

PMantis, that's cause there is no such thing as a pvr 300

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Anduin:

PMantis: 350, and yes, ivtv supports the 500 = myth supports it

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hads:

The PVR-150 is probably the most oft' recommended tuner.

[04:42:58]

PMantis:

Yes, 350... typo. :)

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kormoc:

the 350 has been discontinued

[04:43:21]

kormoc:

and a pvr 150 + nvidia card is cheaper and better imho

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PMantis:

I figured

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PMantis:

The 500 looks pretty good... 2 tuners, plus vid out

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kormoc:

PMantis, there is no video out on the pvr 500

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Anduin:

PMantis: You do not want your PVR card to do video out

[04:45:03]

PMantis:

Oh, those are inputs! Boy, batting 1000 tonight!

[04:45:36]

PMantis:

Guess reading the descritpions would have helped...

[04:46:07]

Anduin:

I don't know about you but once I learned how to type I stopped reading.

[04:47:29]

PMantis:

IRC is great, when the channels are friendly.

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** TSCHAK is still trying to find anyone who has successfully installed LinuxMCE.. so far, batting zero. **

[04:50:02]

TSCHAK:

whee

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clever:

lol

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clever:

MCE?

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TSCHAK:

clever, http://www.linuxmce.com/

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kormoc:

try #linuxmce

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mchou:

lol

[04:51:16]

TSCHAK:

kormoc, nobody ever talks in there

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TSCHAK:

......ever.

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PMantis:

Kinda reminds me of Pluto

[04:51:26]

TSCHAK:

PMantis, it is PlutoHome.

[04:51:30]

TSCHAK:

forked for Ubuntu

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PMantis:

Ahh

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TSCHAK:

and it seems to be a bitch in hell to install, much less run after installing.

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mchou:

TSCHAK: goes to show nobody uses it :)

[04:52:17]

mchou:

no talk, no use

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TSCHAK:

which really sucks, because its supposed feature set is neato

[04:52:50]

TSCHAK:

i just wish somebody would list what precise hardware to use to get all the currently available features

[04:52:58]

TSCHAK:

but i guess THAT would just make too much sense!

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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kormoc:

not all the features listed work yet

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mchou:

TSCHAK: that's a pipe dream

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TSCHAK:

i'd just like to see the features shown in the DEMO

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TSCHAK:

to work

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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kormoc:

he admited later that some of that was scripted to show 'future' usage

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TSCHAK:

i'll castrate the bastard.

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TSCHAK:

i was going to use a rusty motorized fillet knife, but that will work too

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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PMantis:

How about some sizing information... If I placed two PVR-500's into a server, and didn't run a frontend on it, would the number of frontends (if reasonable) affect the server sizing drasticly?

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mchou:

I dont see why linux needs vaporware

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kormoc:

sizing?

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TSCHAK:

physical dimensions, or?

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** TSCHAK scratches head **

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mchou:

no fools, processor sizing

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PMantis:

Yeah, enough power to record or view 4 shows at a time.

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kormoc:

frontends decode locally, and the pvr cards do hardware encoding, so cpu usage on the backend is rather low

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Anduin:

PMantis: should work easily

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clever:

i find streaming a show to 1 frontend has allmost no effect on my framegrabber backend

[04:56:49]

PMantis:

I might have 5 frontends on my network.. perhaps up to 8 or 9.

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, the chips used in the WinTV PVR 150/250/500's don't hit the processor very much...the vast majority of the work is done on the codec chips on th card.

[04:57:07]

clever:

only probly you might have is harddrive bottlenecks or network ones

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PMantis:

Nice

[04:57:22]

clever:

depending on the quality of the shows and hardware

[04:57:35]

TSCHAK:

but yes, you'll probably run into disk or network bottlenecks first... probably network.. don't use wireless.

[04:57:35]

mchou:

PMantis: you might have issues with networking and disk if you do 9 streams :)

[04:58:02]

PMantis:

I didn't say they'd all be playing at once. :) We don't have that many in the family.

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clever:

i have 1 frontend on wireless and it takes up 90% of the bandwidth by itself

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clever:

lol

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mchou:

PMantis: and I dont understand why in the world you need 9

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TSCHAK:

alleviate the problems by RAIDing your disks, and use gigabit ethernet all around ;-)

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mchou:

PMantis: are you Mormon? :)

[04:58:42]

PMantis:

I didn't say I did, I said "up to"...

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PMantis:

4 bedrooms, living room, family room, guest room, my office (laptop?), basement...

[04:59:22]

PMantis:

Who knows where I might want to expand?

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mchou:

PMantis: yeah, but there are 9 ppl in the household?

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TSCHAK:

it IS possible to scale upwards to that many, but you'll have to be very intelligent about the design of the disks and network.... particularly you'll need to do some serious use case analysis... how many VIDEOs will you be watching versus TV streams, etc.

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mchou:

lol

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clever:

i have 3 frontends atm and 2 total(counting me) in the house:P

[04:59:41]

PMantis:

Nope, see my above comment...

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clever:

and my dad doesnt use any of the frontends:P

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** TSCHAK points PMantis to his statement. **

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hads:

Disk bandwidth isn't that high.

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kormoc:

TSCHAK, you'll be good to go

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TSCHAK:

watching ripped movies takes significantly less bandwidth than TV streams usually....(unless you ISO rip everything...)

[05:01:06]

PMantis:

TSCHAK: "videos" being a recording, ripped DVD, download show from tvrss?

[05:01:15]

TSCHAK:

PMantis, yes.

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kormoc:

TSCHAK, typical bitrate for tv is 2200 kbit/sec, not much at all

[05:01:25]

TSCHAK:

PMantis, something NOT recorded in mythtv.

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TSCHAK:

kormoc, I crank mine up a bit higher.

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clever:

most of my tv recordings use 300kbytes/sec compressed

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clever:

which just bearly fits thru my wifi b

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kormoc:

TSCHAK, then you should be able to calculate what it requires

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TSCHAK:

don't....use......wifi

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PMantis:

heh

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clever:

i know using wifi for streamingtv is painfull:P

[05:02:36]

TSCHAK:

if you're gonna do wifi, flash stream it

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kormoc:

TSCHAK, cleaver is the master of useless comments

[05:02:37]

TSCHAK:

:-P

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clever:

but its nice to be able to watch tv on my laptop

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PMantis:

I was hoping to use wifi in my hotel room to play a movie from the backend in my house. ;-)

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kormoc:

TSCHAK, he's just a sad, lonely boy

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clever:

also i cant flash stream it

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clever:

ffmpeg crashes randomly

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, Flash Streaming via mythWeb for the win

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clever:

floating point exception

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TSCHAK:

I freakin looooove it

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PMantis:

TSCHAK: Oh, you're kidding! LOL, and I was making a joke

[05:03:43]

TSCHAK:

now I never miss a mythbusters episodes :-P :-)

[05:04:01]

TSCHAK:

PMantis, it's a part of MythWeb as of.... a month or so ago in SVN?

[05:04:26]

TSCHAK:

I hacked one together myself, and then found to my surprise when I upgraded that one had been added

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TSCHAK:

:-D

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kormoc:

only works for mpeg recordings, not nuv recordings

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TSCHAK:

yup

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TSCHAK:

all I do is mpeg recordings

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PMantis:

So, what can Myth read besides a tuner? Can it search YouTube, Yahoo, TVRSS, etc?

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, um...no...no...no....

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PMantis:

Have a built-in torrent client? :)

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kormoc:

PMantis, no

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kormoc:

PMantis, that's a banable topic

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PMantis:

heh

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clever:

mythtv can play youtube stuff thru one of the plugins

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, no.... can you say copyright violation? :-)

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clever:

i think its the mythnews plugin or something

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PMantis:

hmmm

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clever:

grabs rss feeds off youtube and plays the top ... items

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, it does have MythVideo, which can play any files that libavcodec can play...

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, or whatever movie player you have defined if you don't use the internal player

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clever:

also mythvideo can run external players for certain types

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clever:

letting it run even more

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, and MythDVD can copy your DVD collection into your mythvideo folder.

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TSCHAK:

can we stuff clever into a closet?

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clever:

lol

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kormoc:

TSCHAK, I've really wanted to make the channel +m lately for some reason...

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PMantis:

clever: Yeah, they're trying to protect me from a lawsuit. :)

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clever:

lol

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** TSCHAK stuffs clever into a burlap sack, with a snake, a monkey, and a pit bull. **

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** clever brings a cat along to keep the dog busy:P **

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** PMantis dials his Asterisk server to play tt-monkeys **

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, just install mythtv and all the plugins... you'll get a good idea of the feature set, quickly enough.

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, it's pretty transparent.

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PMantis:

Is there a list of frontend devices that can be used (like XBox, etc) and their success level?

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TSCHAK:

and well, the website and wiki do a decent job.

[05:09:29]

TSCHAK:

PMantis, check the wiki... http://wiki.mythtv.org/

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kormoc:

PMantis, check the wiki

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** PMantis looks **

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TSCHAK:

every one of us has written pages on hardware

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TSCHAK:

that we've tested

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TSCHAK:

PMantis, and if you've tested a hardware config that you don't see on the wiki, add it.

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PMantis:

Once I have Myth, I'll do that.

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PMantis:

I've been entertaining it for some time... but we have Satelite... likely be best to switch back to cable for Myth.

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PMantis:

Oh, can I create my own "channels", like a video feed from a webcam, security camera, etc being fed to all frontends that tune to it?

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Dagmar:

Yes

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Dagmar:

Pick a channel number you're not using, create a channel for it *manually* in mythtv-setup, and then bind the input to it

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PMantis:

Dagmar: awesome!

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PMantis:

Thanks guys!

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DGnome:

Anybody here who has dvb-s reception with diseqc switching between lnb:s? I could need some pointers on how it works and what I may have done wrong :D

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Krazylegz:

Anyone using this HVR-950 yet?

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Dagmar:

Oof. GreyFox or someone will hopefully see this... What res are the icon placement for OSD themes based on if you're doing _widescreen_?

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Dagmar:

This documentation would be much easier to write if I didn't have to reverse engineer so damn much of it

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BrianBoyko:

Hello. Is there any way to set-up a shell script so that the computer automatically converts MPEG2 files recorded via Myth to Xvid when the system is idle?

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Dagmar:

BrianBoyko: Good luck detecting when the system is idle, but this ain't windows

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Dagmar:

You don't have to detect idleness--processes can have their "nice level" changed so that they will meekly wait for processor time if other processes are busy doing something more important.

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kormoc:

he quit already

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Dagmar:

Damn

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adante:

on is there anything that does niceness for hdd i/o?

[06:25:01]

Dagmar:

Hey YOU might know some of this stuff I'm about to have to reverse engineer

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adante:

on that note, i mean

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kormoc:

hrm?

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Dagmar:

adante: Nope. Nothing you want to change anyway

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kormoc:

adante, just IO Schedulers

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simcop2387:

yay! now all my parents need is a firewire card and for much less than an atsc tuner card they can do HD recording for mythtv!

[06:25:57]

tank-man:

man batch, it lets you run commands when idle

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Dagmar:

You could try renicing the journaling daemon thread, but I really don't recomment that.

[06:26:06]

Dagmar:

It's just asking for trouble

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tank-man:

oh, he is gone

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Dagmar:

kormoc: ABout OSD themes. The layout coordinates don't change between widescreen and 4:3 do they

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simcop2387:

ooo batch++ i like that

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kormoc:

Dagmar, don't think so

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Dagmar:

OKay, that's what I was thinking...

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kormoc:

tank-man, batch does not guarantee idle execution

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tank-man:

i've just seen that command before, never used it. changing nice level is enough for me

[06:28:47]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Is there any chance there's something explaining where these other widgets (Like the news scroller) in the OSD come from?

[06:29:05]

Dagmar:

I didn't even KNOW about the news scroller thing

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kormoc:

Hrm.... Nothing that I've run into yet

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Dagmar:

Blast not even a man page for mythtvosd

[06:30:13]

Dagmar:

Oh wow

[06:30:16]

Dagmar:

THat's buggered.

[06:30:27]

Dagmar:

I might *MIGHT* be able to fix this kind of bug tho...

[06:30:54]

Dagmar:

I did `mythtvosd --template=alert test` and got "%alert_text%" on the screen

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hads:

The help text...

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Dagmar:

hads: Where? I've not seen it yet, and I've definitely read a ton of docs

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hads:

mythtvosd --help

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Dagmar:

Hah

[06:34:00]

Dagmar:

That kinda of lacks.

[06:34:08]

Dagmar:

I will fix that tomorrow tho and submit a patch

[06:34:33]

Dagmar:

I had to just look at the README in the source directory to figure out how to set the %variable%

[06:35:09]

Dagmar:

Well, not --help, but what it does when you don't give it any arguments is like a half-hearted version of the same.

[06:35:11]

Dagmar:

That shoudln't be like that

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DGnome:

Hey! Anybody around with dvb-s reception and multiple lnb:s with diseqc switching?

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Dagmar:

bleh

[09:17:17]

Dagmar:

Methinks I have found a boog

[09:18:44]

laga:

svn.mythtv.org

[09:18:58]

Dagmar:

http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . nt=alert.png

[09:19:08]

Dagmar:

osd themes seem to be ignore the color attribute

[09:19:37]

Dagmar:

The "THIS IS BUGGERED" text *should* be red, but anything but a single 8-bit int passed there seems to be ignored.

[09:20:05]

Dagmar:

http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . rent=foo.png <--news scroller

[09:20:12]

Dagmar:

...which is less buggered

[09:20:30]

laga:

the mythmusic screen looks nice

[09:22:22]

laga:

NFS hates me, i think.

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Dagmar:

Bleh

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Dagmar:

THe alert window seems to fade out when it damn well feels like it

[10:01:39]

** gpd RMAs motherboard after banging head against flickering hell **

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[10:05:53]

gpd:

is there any clear choice between leadtek innovision and xfx?

[10:06:14]

gpd:

i've decided to scrap the onboard graphics idea and go with a PCIe card

[10:07:23]

directhex|work:

no

[10:07:30]

directhex|work:

of those three, i'd probably buy xfx

[10:07:53]

gpd:

I normally buy eVGA but i dont' want to spend too much on this box!

[10:08:00]

directhex|work:

leadtek used to be good, but i've seen some absolutely moronic things from them, including painted heatsinks – including the contact side

[10:08:24]

hads:

Most video cards are much of a much

[10:08:28]

directhex|work:

yep

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directhex|work:

most of them (especially the cheaper ones) are just reference design – and even often made in the same factory

[10:09:08]

hads:

Yep, and the high end ones too.

[10:09:43]

directhex|work:

often. some companies go screaming off the deep end though, those are always good fun#

[10:09:55]

directhex|work:

the coolers are the most obvious distinguishing feature

[10:10:01]

gpd:

ok – am I right in thinking that there is no reason to go higher than an nVidia 7300LE 128M for a SD frontend

[10:10:25]

directhex|work:

gpd, you are

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gpd:

the 7300GT or 7600GT are significantly more money

[10:10:38]

hads:

And probably have fans too.

[10:10:55]

gpd:

ok all good. let's hope i can get this *done*

[10:11:02]

directhex|work:

my FE/BE has a 7300le

[10:11:32]

hads:

I'm using a 7600GS in mine, it was a good deal.

[10:11:34]

directhex|work:

an XFX one if memory serves

[10:12:29]

directhex|work:

64MB XFX 7300LE PCI-E VGA/DVI

[10:12:46]

jduggan_:

can one convert .rmvb to .flv ?

[10:12:55]

directhex|work:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=396722

[10:13:24]

hads:

jduggan_: If anything can it will likely be ffmpeg.

[10:14:02]

directhex|work:

hm, looks like it needs a w32codec to play on linux. can mencoder use .dlls?

[10:14:54]

hads:

From memory yes, I haven't dealt with those sorts of codecs for an age.

[10:15:46]

directhex|work:

-vfm ffmpeg,dshow,vfw

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directhex|work:

that'll try internal codecs for preference, then fall back to directshow w32codecs, then fall back to ye olde videoe fore windowse codecs

[10:17:44]

gpd:

ok: final decision – any prefs of chipset: nvidia n570 over via K8T890?

[10:18:20]

directhex|work:

i'd personally get k8t890, but i'm weird

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hads:

I'd go for Intel :)

[10:21:48]

gpd:

I'm stuck with this AM2 X2 3600+ now...

[10:22:43]

gpd:

low power though – and complete system running myth BE/FE consumes 70W

[10:25:01]

directhex|work:

well hads is right, of course. k8t890 is a VERY basic chipset compared to nforce5 – question is, how much of the extra bling do you want, and how much do you trust the drivers driving that bling?

[10:25:15]

directhex|work:

actually, here's a deciding factor: what's the network controller on the boards in question?

[10:25:17]

laga:

how much do you trust VIA?

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directhex|work:

laga, enough. anyone who criticizes via's never used nforce1

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laga:

granted, i only have an nforce2 box

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directhex|work:

nforce2 is a fantastic chipset

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gpd:

my desktop is an nforce 650i that seems to work well

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gpd:

what sort of bling might i miss from k8? Power On RTC is my favorite toy atm.

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gpd:

"Overall, the K8T890 is of less interest than the nForce and isn’t really interesting at all, except maybe from a purely economical point of view"

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gpd:

and that is a comparison with nForce 4!

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directhex|work:

windows-centric

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directhex|work:

nforce has things like a "hardware" firewall built in that requires a windows-only driver. that kind of thing appeals to reviewers often

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gpd:

bah and indeed meh

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directhex|work:

i'd let the networking drive the decision

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directhex|work:

avoid syskonnect like the plague

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ServerSage:

gpd: What board do you have that supports power on rtc?

[10:32:45]

gpd:

ServerSage: both Asus that I currently use and the one i am returning

[10:33:25]

gpd:

P5N-E SLI, M2NPV-VM (returning)

[10:33:47]

ServerSage:

Stupid Gigabyte.

[10:33:54]

gpd:

ALso my old Asrock K7VT2

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directhex|work:

generally, i'd buy a small-name board manufacturer ahead of big-name. i've never had much success with the big hitters

[10:34:56]

ServerSage:

directhex|work: Such as? ECS?

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directhex|work:

soltek. albatron. guys like that

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laga:

albatron works fine here. although the board i'm using seems to be very rare. i can only find its bigger brother on google

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directhex|work:

'He is a dwarf and "the second greatest lover on the Disc," because if he's only second best that mean's he'll try harder.'

[10:37:19]

ServerSage:

And somebody said Intel over AMD, reasoning?

[10:37:36]

directhex|work:

ServerSage, performance craps on amd, for significantly fewer watts?

[10:37:58]

gpd:

only when you go to Core 2, which isn't cheap

[10:38:25]

hads:

I don't have a reaosn, Intel always just works for me. So I use it.

[10:38:40]

ServerSage:

directhex|work: I assume this is a MythTV thing only.

[10:38:46]

directhex|work:

ServerSage, no, not really

[10:39:07]

ServerSage:

directhex|work: I have a dual core AMD and have never seen any performance issues. In fact, it flies.

[10:39:14]

directhex|work:

ServerSage, core2 is about 80% faster than am2, for pure floating point performance

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hads:

Don't let this degrade into a chip war.

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ServerSage:

directhex|work: Reference?

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ServerSage:

hads: I just like to be imformed.

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ServerSage:

directhex|work: Also, whats your fav vendor for Soltek and Albatron boards?

[10:41:03]

directhex|work:

ServerSage, internal figures i can't show you

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ServerSage:

directhex|work: Do you work for Intel? ;)

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directhex|work:

ServerSage, which is why the delta is so great – when i say "pure floating point", i really mean it. for memory-bound code, amd leads

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gpd:

I'm still slightly worried that my 'fault' isn't really a fault with the card – but the same symptoms on Windows as Linux an no problems with a different card and same TV/Cable...

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directhex|work:

gpd, try running it outside the case

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directhex|work:

and without any card risers, if you have any

[10:49:09]

gpd:

hmm. a good idea – but it is all packed up and ready to go now :(

[10:49:19]

hads:

I might switch to NFS root for my diskless frontend.

[10:49:33]

gpd:

the question is whether I should now ignore all onboard VGA mobos as evil

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hads:

The answer is no.

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gpd:

It looks like the nForce 550 offers good features: HDA, SATA2, Gigabit eth with none of the windows-centric stuff of 570+

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Beakster:

Hi, sometimes when I boot my PC my IR reciever is /dev/input/event2 and sometimes it is event1. How can I make it always appear the same?

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laga:

Beakster: just use the device node in /dev/input/by-id/

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Beakster:

laga: by-id: No such file or directory

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laga:

Beakster: /dev/input/by-path/ ?

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Beakster:

i do have a by-path tho

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Beakster:

ah, cool so i'll use /dev/input/by-path/pci-0000:00:0d.0--event-

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Beakster:

thanks

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laga:

hope it works :)

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directhex|work:

why are you using evdev anyway?

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Beakster:

evdev?

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laga:

directhex|work: why not?

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directhex|work:

laga, what's the benefit in using evdev for an ir receiver?

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Beakster:

what's the alternatve?

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laga:

directhex|work: you can use inputlircd, for example

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laga:

i bet it's not just a normal IR receiver. it's probably an MCE remote

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Beakster:

im using the reciever that came with my Haupaage PCI DVB card

[11:24:55]

Beakster:

cos its a hassle getting the serial port one to work, i had to keep on recompiling lirc

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laga:

i wonder what happens if you use a different remote with that IR ceiver, though. AFAIK, the symbol table is hard-coded in the driver

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Beakster:

seems to work well for what i need, and the remote has all the butons i want. plus there is a premade config file for it to use with myth and xine :)

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Beakster:

is 0.20 still the latest version of mythtv?

[11:30:38]

laga:

yes. get the release-0-20-fixes branch for the latest & greatest fixes or use svn trunk to help with development :)

[11:31:12]

Beakster:

i've installed via apt-get on ubuntu, is there a way to get the fixes applied to that easily?

[11:31:28]

laga:

you already haves -fixes then

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Beakster:

cool

[11:32:08]

Beakster:

1 last question.... :)

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Beakster:

i recently put a second tv card in. when i did this i had to split my ariel cable to feed both cards

[11:33:11]

Beakster:

this seemed to really degrade the signal strength, so i stuck a booster before the split. but now i have trouble recieveing some channels. is there an easy fix for this?

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directhex|work:

Beakster, a better booster

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Beakster:

better?

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Beakster:

do u mean one with a built in splitter? or a more powerful one?

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directhex|work:

the former

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Beakster:

i also have a booster at the ariel before the lenght of cable downstairs

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directhex|work:

you want a splitter which send out at the same quality as it receives – normally, a booster will amplify everyting – including noise, which is bad

[11:35:26]

Beakster:

ah, ok. so does a booster with built in splitter amplify each output seperatly or something?

[11:35:30]

Beakster:

ah, got you

[11:37:28]

Beakster:

something like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Coaxial-Cable-RF-TV-Sig . . . cmdZViewItem

[11:38:23]

directhex|work:

yes

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Beakster:

cool, thanks

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gpd:

is HDA (high def audio) worth the extra money over AC97? esp on 2 speaker output?

[12:02:21]

directhex|work:

no

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gpd:

directhex|work: tried the mobo out of the case and same problem

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gpd:

Hardware based on Intel HD Audio specifications is capable of delivering 192 kHz/32 bit quality for two and 96 kHz/32 bit for up to eight channels.

[12:05:14]

directhex|work:

true. but there are frequent pin-out issues

[12:05:35]

directhex|work:

i.e. the sound chip works, the driver-level linking of chip to sockets can be dodgy to say the least

[12:05:47]

directhex|work:

i had to patch alsa myself to get sound on this machine

[12:15:20]

gpd:

here is the flickering: http://www.grahamdavies.net/files/IMGP3694.MOV

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gpd:

can't think of any other reason than hardware – but don't want to wait 2 weeks for RMA... grr

[12:17:47]

gpd:

looks like MSI K9N Neo-F might be a winner

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directhex|work:

gpd, that's weird. using what graphics card?

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laga:

isn't that one of the cheaptest p956 boards available?

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gpd:

XFX PCIe 128M would probably be ok

[12:22:35]

gpd:

K9N Neo-F is cheap at 45 GBP inc VAT at ebuyer.com

[12:23:00]

gpd:

directhex|work: why weird?

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directhex|work:

gpd, the effect you see. it's weird

[12:24:14]

gpd:

ok – yeah, it doesn't look like monitor timing issue, and only lower 1/3rd of screen

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directhex|work:

lower 1/3? through all outputs?

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gpd:

no – only with DVI

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gpd:

but all resolutions

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gpd:

and with Windows or Linux nVidia driver, but fine with VESA/ VGA

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gpd:

component cable also seems to not output the Pr... all dodgy

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directhex|work:

physical issue with the graphics hardware of some kind

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directhex|work:

i don't think it';s the gpu or memory though. something in the output chain

[12:28:49]

gpd:

but still worth sending back the motherboard – I can't think of any other fixes / tests

[12:29:02]

directhex|work:

graphics card?

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gpd:

integrated on the mobo : nvidia 6150

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directhex|work:

try plugging in a random graphics card, see if that's fine?

[12:30:02]

gpd:

board is Asus M2NPV-VM (don't have a spare PCIe card)

[12:30:23]

gpd:

... that's not true – I have a GeForce 8800GTS...

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gpd:

but that means a total dismantle (again)

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stormy|:

hey all

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stormy|:

hey all

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stormy|:

oops

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stormy|:

anyone else used the component out on an Nvidia card?

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Kevorkian:

you mean the vga port ?

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Kevorkian:

thats the only way I know of to get component.

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Kevorkian:

Or do you mean composite ?

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SiD3WiNDR:

you can get component out through the breakout on some cards, no?

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stormy|:

composite, the "HDTV" connectors

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stormy|:

yeah

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stormy|:

methinks my card is b0rked

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stormy|:

I get a funky blue hue when I get it hooked up

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stormy|:

(it still shows stuff on the screen though..)

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stormy|:

meaning, it's not the blue screen you get when your TV is waiting for data :P

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wastrel:

i don't know what "component" or "composite" are. one is the one with red white and yellow

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Merlin83b2:

That's composite and it's rubbish.

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Kevorkian:

composte is when teh video signal is sent over a single cable .. in this case the yellow one.

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wastrel:

i'm just going to use coax i guess

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Kevorkian:

composite has never been ( correctly ) referred to as 'HDTV'

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stormy|:

mine is a 3 color cable, component... red green and blue

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stormy|:

my friend's Xbox uses that to get to 1080i , so I know it supports HD resolutions

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juski:

stormy|: have you told the driver it's using component out ?

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Kevorkian:

Sounds like your only getting half teh signal .. make sure the card is set proper

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stormy|:

it auto detected it as a TV

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juski:

TVOutputFormat "Component" or something

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stormy|:

i used the xserver setup

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juski:

it can't autodetect anything over a component cable

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modorf:

<wastrel> i'm just going to use coax i guess — NOT HD

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stormy|:

..?

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Kevorkian:

it can detect that "something" is connected .. but not which is the proper one ..

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Kevorkian:

it needs to know that you want compotent ..

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stormy|:

ah yes

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juski:

stormy|: did you edit xorg.conf to tell the card you want to use the component out?

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juski:

did you read the driver documentation? rofl

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stormy|:

I never got docs with this card :P

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Kevorkian:

modorf, ummmm .. coax can be HD :-D

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juski:

the driver documentation.. in the driver bumpf somewhere, or on the nvidia website...

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stormy|:

juski, I have a program called "NVIDIA X Server Settings"

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stormy|:

That's how I set it up

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stormy|:

simply editing the xorg.conf hasn't given me any results from what i've tinkered with

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wastrel:

modorf: i don't have HD

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juski:

stormy|: I don't care. does your xorg.conf have a line in there which says "Component" ?

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wastrel:

my old tv is not HD my cable isn't HD (afaik)

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modorf:

Kevorkian, yah forgot about digital cable

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stormy|:

no juski , it doesn't

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wastrel:

i really don't care about picture quality, as long as it isn't worse than what i get now.

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modorf:

wastrel, best input to the tv then would be s-video

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wastrel:

i just want the pvr function

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wastrel:

modorf: my tv only has coax in

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juski:

stormy|: I strongly suggest you stop farting around & read http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . pter-16.html

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stormy|:

juski, no offence but the way you said that came across as offensive, mind being a lil mindful?

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modorf:

wastrel, I haven't seen coax from computer --> tv

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stormy|:

I'll take a look anyway

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juski:

stormy|: nope

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stormy|:

not my problem then, just a suggestion :)

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Kevorkian:

stormy|, perhaps this is beter ..

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Kevorkian:

READ TEH FUCKING MANUAL

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juski:

just stop mucking about & read the documents. it's all there :)

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laga:

zomg

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wastrel:

i have a component->coax converter deal

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wastrel:

er, composite

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juski:

you'll be on all week trying to get the result you want if you pussy foot around, randomly prodding settings :-P

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wastrel:

hrm it's getting stupid eh :]

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Kevorkian:

all you need to do is add an option to the tv out section .. saying something like "compotent" .. the exact line I duno .. but the docs will know

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juski:

Kevorkian: it's all in http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . pter-16.html

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juski:

I don't even have anything that uses component but I knew where to look. now how could that be? Oh now I remember. I read the docs :)

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stormy|:

Ok I get the picture.

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Kevorkian:

you mean the options right below this line ?

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Kevorkian:

The "TVOutFormat" option can be used to force the output format. Without this option, the driver autodetects the output format. Unfortunately, it does not always do this correctly. The output format can be forced with the "TVOutFormat" option; valid values are:

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juski:

Kevorkian: duh

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Kevorkian:

I wonder which one he will need ?

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juski:

hmm let me think about it for 0.00001us ...

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juski:

"COMPONENT" Force Component output format, also called YPrPp HD

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Kevorkian:

Na .. I think he needs scart

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Kevorkian:

yea

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juski:

was news to me that they support scart out. must be a thing for newer cards than mine :)

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Zider:

I'd like to see a gfx card with SCART :P

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Kevorkian:

isnt scart really close to svid .. just rips out teh sync pulse or soemthing

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juski:

no. scart can carry composite & stereo audio both ways, or svideo & stereo audio, or RGB & stereo audio

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juski:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scart

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Kevorkian:

I wasnt sure .. thanks

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Kevorkian:

I knew there was a lil thing that could take scart and make it svid .. figured the signals had to be close

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Kevorkian:

but then again .. I live in the usa <sarcasam> where we do tv RIGHT </sarcasam>

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juski:

depends what's being output on the scart socket. if it's RGB, your svid thing will be useless

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juski:

it was great that somebody came up with a unified connector for AV gear. just a peeing shame it was SCART

[14:02:43]

stormy|:

Do I need to create a new Screen section for the TV or should I just put it in the one that is there already?

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Kevorkian:

just add the option to the tvout line ..

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juski:

stormy|: it's already working on the TV in a fashion – just the wrong output format – so I'd guess not

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stormy|:

Okay, thanks juski

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Kevorkian:

Option "TVOutFormat" "COMPONENT" # should be added to whatever section is curently workign

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juski:

you should check your cabling too – a connector not pushed fully home can cause colour casts

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Kevorkian:

yea .. but the connector also uses the same pins for composite .. so his break out box will still get singal on the luminance cable.

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juski:

yes I know that

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Kevorkian:

which should make the pic come up as black and white .. unless the input of hs tv isnt really compotent and mixes the inputs before it uses them

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wastrel:

i'm buying a video card with tv out

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stormy|:

Okay, restarting X, brb

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juski:

Kevorkian: some sets do that. very lo-q & naughty

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Kevorkian:

even worse .. is the lcd monitors that have a dvi input .. but REALLY just have a built in dvi-vga adaptor

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juski:

not here – BIG difference between DVI & VGA inputs :)

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Kevorkian:

now that really pisses me off .. I got a spam once from an online dealer .. I wont mention the name , but its a very CAT like name .. for a cheapo 22' wide screen .. teh specs looked nice so I bought one ..

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laga:

do you also order che4p v1agr4?

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Kevorkian:

it was so crappy .. I pulled it apart .. and what was a dvi input .. really was just basacly an adaptor that went the same place as the vga ..

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Kevorkian:

na man .. cialis for me .. I like to go teh whole weekend

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Gabril:

hi, has anyone a working terratec 5.1 pci and can give me some tips for optical output?

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Kevorkian:

I guess stormy made it work .. or is afraid to come back and get yelled at by juski again

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juski:

Kevorkian: that wasn't yelling. jesus

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Kevorkian:

:-D

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Kevorkian:

SO .. does it work ?

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Kevorkian:

huh

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Kevorkian:

come on ...

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Kevorkian:

tell us

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stomy|:

not really

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juski:

define 'not really'

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Kevorkian:

What is it doing now ??

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stomy|:

the Xserver crashed and I had to let i 'fix itself'

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stomy|:

However, the TV is working in color- that's a start :P

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juski:

stomy|: the correct colours now?

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stomy|:

Indeed.

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Kevorkian:

if teh xserver crashed ?? but the tv is working ?

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juski:

I'm very happy for you :)

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Kevorkian:

huh

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stomy|:

I had to let it repair itself Kevorkian

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Kevorkian:

self repairing xservers ??

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stomy|:

X offers to try and reconfigure itelf

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juski:

being wise after the event you should always back up important config files before editing them

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Kevorkian:

was I sleeping when this was added to xorg ?

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stomy|:

Alright

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juski:

anyway the main thing is, that titbit from the docs sorted out the problem. another moral victory :-P

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stomy|:

lol sorry, i have a cruddy keyboard that lags and I didn't feel like being exact and using the right terms :P

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stomy|:

Yeah...

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juski:

I'm not just being an asshole (well I still am one) for the sake of it :)

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Kevorkian:

and now we do the dance of joy

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stomy|:

Here's the wierd thing... the stuff that was in the docs is not in the xorg.conf file-- yet component works?

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juski:

eh?

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Kevorkian:

most of it is defaulted

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juski:

so your changes (which was presumably what broke X) have been reversed automagically

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Kevorkian:

if it isnt there .. it will default to some vaule ..

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stomy|:

learned another important lesson this time around :P, only change one thing at a time

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juski:

and this time somehow, the card has autodetected or set itself to a more sane default than it had before

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Kevorkian:

and the tvout likes composite as a default ..

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juski:

stomy|: copy your working xorg.conf to somewhere safe

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Kevorkian:

backup config files ?? OHNOES ..

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juski:

and FWIW I'd either try rebooting several times to make sure it comes up the same way every time – or else edit xorg.conf.. just ONE LINE to force it to use COMPONENT out

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juski:

Kevorkian: what? you'd rather people blindly prod files hoping for the best & ending up having to reinstall?

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Kevorkian:

hmmm ..

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** Kevorkian prefers to sed /dev/kmem for any changes he needs to make :-D **

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Kevorkian:

But seriously .. I have a question for you .. you the skin doctor .. right

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juski:

sed is kinda beyond the scope of users like stomy| I think. no offense stomy|

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juski:

I am not the fscking skin doctor.

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Kevorkian:

or theams .. or whatever they call em

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stomy|:

haha, it's fine

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stomy|:

I'm still getting the hang of fixing linux when itdies

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stomy|:

actually... when I kill it :P

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juski:

stomy|: so am I. so am I

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wastrel:

do i need linux to run mythtv

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Kevorkian:

linux is user friendly

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laga:

wastrel: yes.

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Kevorkian:

its just very picky about who its friends are

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Kevorkian:

hmmm

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stomy|:

lol wastrel , it's worth the transition :)

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juski:

Kevorkian: as it should be. not like that Windows whore

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Kevorkian:

does he NEED linux ..

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Kevorkian:

nope

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Kevorkian:

he does not

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stomy|:

windoes must die....

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Kevorkian:

myth runs fine under bsd

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Kevorkian:

solaris also

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wastrel:

we had solaris at work a couple of jobs ago

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Kevorkian:

and there is even a rumor that someone finaly got the backend running on OSX ..

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juski:

stomy|: no no no no.. if it did, more idiots would come to linux – there are too many already

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Kevorkian:

no .. the answer to your qustion of NEED wastrel is no .. but its most likely the easiest way to run it right now

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Kevorkian:

I wonder if anyone has played with myth and cygwin

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wastrel:

is there a relatively cheap box i can get for a frontend machine or is it cheaper just to upgrade my existing machine and do combined?

[14:28:29]

juski:

anyway Kevorkian what did you want to ask about themes?

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Kevorkian:

cheap box for front end .. hmmm .. xbox cheap enough for ya ?

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juski:

and FYI apparently now myth compiles under cygwin – it just doesn't do anything interesting yet. I for one hope it stays that way

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Dr_willis:

Isent there some $99 uPNP device ya can hook up to a tv also? I forget the brand/name.

[14:29:39]

Kevorkian:

OH .. in teh vid section .. the browser .. on one of teh default theams .. the spacing is screwy .. just wondering what you use to edit theams and stuff .. I wana play

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juski:

xbox is fugly, slow & way too noisy

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Kevorkian:

but it "works" .. and is "cheap"

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juski:

I use nano to edit. paintshop to do bitmaps

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Kevorkian:

any good links for a n00b at theams ??

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wastrel:

i'm looking at about $350 to upgrade my existing box to work as a combined so i don't think there's goign to be a less expensive option.

[14:30:31]

juski:

yeah I use windows tools to develop my themes, so bite me :-P

[14:30:39]

juski:

Kevorkian: the wiki

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stomy|:

o_0

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wastrel:

but i'm goign to have to run cables from the office to the living room because there's no way i want that machine in the LR

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Kevorkian:

an xbox is less then 350

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wastrel:

fugly slow and noisy?

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juski:

Kevorkian: but be warned there's a lot of undocumented stuff. and no, I'm not on-tap

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wastrel:

anyway i'd still need to buy some stuff for the backend.

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juski:

wastrel: xbox1 is fugly, slow & noisy yes

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stomy|:

I'm getting funky visual lag in myth now

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wastrel:

i guess i'll run the cables ;]

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Kevorkian:

interlacing wastrel ?

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wastrel:

what's interlacing?

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stomy|:

some sort of fading lag... but it shouldn't be doing this? It's a 7600 for gosh sakes

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Kevorkian:

gfading lag ...

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Kevorkian:

hmmm

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Kevorkian:

3:2 pulldown issue I bet

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wastrel:

1gb of RAM for a combined box should be sufficient?

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Kevorkian:

http://www.projectorpeople.com/resources/pulldown.asp

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Kevorkian:

thats plenty wastrel

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Kevorkian:

I use 512

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wastrel:

is yours a dedicated mythtv thing or are you using it for other work Kevorkian ?

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Kevorkian:

just myth

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Kevorkian:

well . also a samba server ..

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wastrel:

yeah i'm goign to be doing file and print services

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wastrel:

but that's about it.

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Kevorkian:

if your gona be doing a LOT of file serving .. ou may want to put that on a diffrent drive then your myth storage

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wastrel:

mostly baby pictures

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wastrel:

my laptop drive is too small for them anymore

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Kevorkian:

myth isnt very disk intensive .. but it does use the disk .. if you can leave it its own disk its better.

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Kevorkian:

at least for its storage

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stomy|:

Kevorkian, even if this is referring to the GUI? not TV?

[14:38:05]

Kevorkian:

but it is stomy|

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wastrel:

myth + OS are going on the new big disk, the old smaller disks get the baby pix and stuff

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fysafysa:

make sure you burn them to disc too :P

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stomy|:

hmm, what would you recommend as a solution Kevorkian ?

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stomy|:

lol yeah

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wastrel:

hrm or i could put OS and baby pix on the disk and myth gets the new sata to itself.

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stomy|:

thats what I would do

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Kevorkian:

Depends on the total setup stomy| .. and if it really is interlacing

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stomy|:

I think t is, should I try turning it off?

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Kevorkian:

well .. is it the same when displayed on the tv and the mon ?

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stomy|:

yes.

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stomy|:

I find it rather odd.

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Kevorkian:

thats strange .. in one place it should be "better"

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Kevorkian:

if it was an interlacing issue that is

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Kevorkian:

tv .. unless your in a "p" mode would be interlaced .. and the mon would not be

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stomy|:

yeah, makes me think it's a HW ssue...but this is a retty powerful computer... I can't see t hanging on this lol

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Kevorkian:

try and explain what your seeing better

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stomy|:

on the main menu of myth, you have the different selections...

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stomy|:

when I either go up or down, or go to a new screen, it lags horribly

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Kevorkian:

http://www.dvdfile.com/news/special_report/pr . . . pulldown.htm that might explain the interlacing problems a little better

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stomy|:

probably 1FPS

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stomy|:

k

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Kevorkian:

like a fade in and out ?

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stomy|:

yes.

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Kevorkian:

nvida card ??

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stomy|:

yup

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Kevorkian:

do you get the nvida splash when X starts ?

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stomy|:

ooh...

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stomy|:

that's something I need to check

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stomy|:

I don't think so :X

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Kevorkian:

make sure its using the nvida driver ..

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Kevorkian:

hmmm

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Kevorkian:

it would be in the X logs someplace

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stomy|:

ahahahaha

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stomy|:

it's using "vesa"

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stomy|:

in xorg.conf

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stomy|:

wait... is that the wrong section?

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Kevorkian:

have you installed the nvida drivers ??

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stomy|:

Yeah'

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stomy|:

It's worked before

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stomy|:

I use nv as the driver name correct? (it's a 7600)

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Kevorkian:

well .. the default is to get the splah screen .. you can turn that off ..

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Kevorkian:

im not sure ..

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Kevorkian:

but I think the real nvida driver is sowemthing else

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stomy|:

k, i'll look it up

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Kevorkian:

mine is nvidia

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Kevorkian:

as the driver name

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Kevorkian:

root@mythtv:~# cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nvi

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Kevorkian:

Driver "nvidia"

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directhex|work:

nv is the open-source 2d driver

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directhex|work:

nvidia is the closed-source 3d driver

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Kevorkian:

ahhh ..

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stomy|:

got it

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stomy|:

whats the command to start the X server again? I'm goign to do a ctrl+alt+ backspace

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stomy|:

last time it didn't start up :P

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Kevorkian:

oh .. directhex|work that remote issue you helped with yesterday .. it didnt fix it :-(

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directhex|work:

Kevorkian, the module is still loading?

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stomy|:

brb

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Kevorkian:

depends stomy| .. it might be StartX or soemthing like that

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Kevorkian:

ya know directhex|work I forgot to check that ..

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Kevorkian:

and yea it is

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directhex|work:

how tiresome

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Kevorkian:

duh .. typo in blacklist file

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Kevorkian:

hmmm .. nope no typo ..

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Kevorkian:

http://pastebin.ca/561606 I know this is a basic linux thing .. but what am I oing wrong ?

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Kevorkian:

should not the blacklist line keep it from loading ?

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wastrel:

startx

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stormy|:

so....

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stormy|:

1080i works

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stormy|:

however, the GUI in MythTV is all discolored

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stormy|:

almost like looking at a high resolution image in 256 bits color

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stormy|:

err

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stormy|:

256 colors :P

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stormy|:

that, and myth seems to crash X onstartup... putting the computer in a loop

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stormy|:

I had to do something bad.... login as root from GDM

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stormy|:

>.>

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stormy|:

any ideas as to what the problem could be?

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Kevorkian:

this box is ONLY for myth .. right ?

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fxfitz:

Can someone help me with lirc? I had it set up and working fine, but now it just stopped working all of a sudden.

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Kevorkian:

fxfitz, so .. your saying that it worked before you broke it ??

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stormy|:

Kevorkian, pretty much-- if anything a fileserver.... but that's later

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Kevorkian:

stormy|, to be honest .. I would try knopmyth .. its as close to plug and play as you can get .. most stuff is autodectected and just works

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fxfitz:

Kevorkian, Lol. I would say that, except I really don't think I did anything to break it. :-P

[15:21:32]

Kevorkian:

fxfitz, does irw show the keypresses ?

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fxfitz:

Kevorkian, Nope.

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stormy|:

Kevorkian, I'm using mythdora

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fxfitz:

Kevorkian, This happened once before and the only way that I could figure out how to fix it was to reboot (which fixed it). But I don't want to reboot every time.

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stormy|:

myth has workd for thepast week

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stormy|:

but I have to get things going moe smoothly

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Kevorkian:

fxfitz, you could always try and restart lircd

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fxfitz:

Stopping lirc daemon: lircmd lircd.

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fxfitz:

fxfitz@tvbox:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start

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fxfitz:

Starting lirc daemon: lircd lircmd.

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fxfitz:

However, still nothing on irw.

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fxfitz:

Kevorkian, Any other ideas?

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stormy|:

where is the my fronten logs lcatd asdfat?

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Kevorkian:

/var/log/myth for logs ..

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stormy|:

omg sorry, this is a wireless keyboard that likes intererence

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stormy|:

k

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Kevorkian:

fxfitz, .. im not sure

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fxfitz:

Alright. Well thanks anyway!

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Kevorkian:

your saying a reboot fixes it .. is there a way you can make it break

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fxfitz:

Nope. It just happens.

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Kevorkian:

like does it only break under high load or somehting ?

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Kevorkian:

sound slike my remote ..

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stormy|:

hmmm..... that's the backend log

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Kevorkian:

it woks when it wants to

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fxfitz:

lol yeah, works when it wants to.

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Kevorkian:

there should be two logs there stormy|

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Kevorkian:

well .. at least two .. front and back

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stormy|:

only see th backend and a bz2 of the backend lo

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stormy|:

g*

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Kevorkian:

if you have slocate on the box you may try 'locate mythfrontend.log'

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cesman:

in most cases, there is frontend log by default

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fxfitz:

Oh, I have another question: On mythtv's site it has screenshots. One of the screenshots has the options "Play DVD" and "Rip DVD". How do I get the option to Rip DVD? I have installed MythDVD, but it only has the option to play it

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cesman:

did you compile it yourself?

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cesman:

if so, did you --enable-rip?

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fxfitz:

cesman, I used Ubuntu's synaptic manager to get it.

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wastrel:

meh

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cesman:

hey juski

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juski:

hey cesman

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cesman:

fxfitz: then my assumption would be that the packager didn't compile it w/ that option

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juski:

no, still not finished revamping blootube-wide yet. watermarks are taking an excruciating amount of effort

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squishy:

Hello, I'm having a problem with my mythtv on ubuntu. I've got it all setup and worked out a few bugs I had but im only able to view the basic channels (1 to 13) and the rest are there but scrambled any ideas?

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kormoc:

try setting your frequency table to the correct value

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squishy:

is that in the backend set-up? and how do i know the correct value is it just guess and check?

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kormoc:

mythtv-setup, aye

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kormoc:

and the value typically is us-cable if you are in the us and you have cable

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Kevorkian:

when you say scrambled .. what do you mean .. like .. old style scrambled ?? and just to confirm .. if you plug this into a normal tv .. they come in ok ?

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squishy:

ya its come in ok on a normal tv, and i can get all the channels in mplayer

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squishy:

I think your first suggestion just worked let me verify quick

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Kevorkian:

then its most likely the freq table

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squishy:

looks like it worked, thank you Kormoc and Kevorkian

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bgriffith:

Hey everyone. I recently set up an HTPC with integrated Intel video (i965) and I get very noticeable video tearing. As far as I can tell from the searching the list, I can't fix this with current drivers. However, I was wondering if a PCI graphics card would be able to handle the HDTV signal. Any ideas?

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squishy:

it was set on default previously

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Kevorkian:

when you say pci .. you mean pcie ??

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kormoc:

bgriffith, with a powerful enough cpu, yes a pci works fine

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bgriffith:

kormoc: It's a Core 2 Duo 6700. I'm guessing that's powerful enough, right?

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, one would hope that if he ment pci-e then he would say pci-e

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bgriffith:

Kevorkian: No, just PCI.

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Kevorkian:

if old school pci .. then I doubt the gpu would be very powerful .. so you would need a decent cpu

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kormoc:

bgriffith, aye, should be fine

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Kevorkian:

a core duo with a old pci card ??

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, a fx 5200 can handle it fine and they come in pci flavors

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bgriffith:

Kevorkian: It's a small form factor box. Integrated video would be fine if it wasn't for the damned driver issue causing the tearing.

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Kevorkian:

yea kormoc .. but thats about the bigest they come ..

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fxfitz:

Kevorkian, Well, I just rebooted my computer and I definitely don't have any lirc. :(

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, doesn't change the fact that it will work

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Kevorkian:

yes .. it could work .. but most , meaning bulk of , pci vid cards wouldnt have much of a gpu ..

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** Kevorkian shrugs **

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, given with that cpu, the gpu hardly matters as long as it can do the resolution...

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mlehrer:

so is there a good choice for a silent dual core cpu that will fit in a low profile case?

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mlehrer:

or is that still a pipe dream

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wastrel:

pci video out ?

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directhex|work:

sure. but it'll cost you

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kormoc:

mlehrer, slientpcreview.com

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mlehrer:

kormoc: as opposed to silentpcreview.com? :)

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wastrel:

i suppose i shoudl get agp over pci?

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kormoc:

mlehrer, whoops :P

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kormoc:

wastrel, more up to you

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fryfrog:

most cpus are already silent!

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fryfrog:

its the fans that give you the problem :/

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mlehrer:

fryfrog: heh

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directhex|work:

wastrel, both are extinct

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squishy:

any idea why the display of live tv in the program guide is messed up? it is showing the video scrambled and split into 3 images

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juski:

squishy: yeah your video driver lacks Xv support. get one that doesn't suck :)

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squishy:

k

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wastrel:

directhex|work: well they're what my mobo has ;]

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Mr_Grieves:

I'm having a problem using mytharchive. It will fail on the ffmpeg command, and after playing with the command it passes, the option "-ab 192" isn't recognized by ffmpeg. is this a known bug?

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nastynate:

hey guys; wondering if I could get some ivtv help. 2.6.20-gentoo-r8, ivtv-0.10.1-r1; A `cat` from /dev/video0 hangs waiting for data. Wondering if anyone could provide any insight.

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laga:

nastynate: have you read all the faqs and troubleshooting information at www.ivtvdriver.org ?

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nastynate:

sure have.

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nastynate:

they don't actually go into any problems when you can't physically read from the device

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Kevorkian:

first off .. when you try to read from the /dev ... you have nothing else accessing it ?

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nastynate:

right..

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nastynate:

just me trying to `cat` it.

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Kevorkian:

just making sure

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Kevorkian:

the driver loads clean ?

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nastynate:

dmesg shows the initialization happening properly....

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nastynate:

ivtv gets loaded without problems...

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nastynate:

no errors to speak of.

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nastynate:

I've set mythtv up previously (older kernel and version of ivtv) withtout problems....just this time around...nada

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nastynate:

naturally, I haven't ran into a problem where I couldn't even cat /dev/videoX...werid indeed.

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fxfitz:

How come when I try to use the weather feature on MythTV it gives me random pgoramming stuff? For example: weatherObj() and a bunch of Obj()

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modorf:

fxfitz, which svn build are you using? that is a know bug that has been fixed. not sure which svn build has the fixes, but current should be fine.

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fxfitz:

modorf, Err... I used synaptic with Ubuntu to install it.

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squishy:

ya i have the same problem fxfitz havent figured out how to fix it yet

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fxfitz:

Hmm. Crazy Weather. :(

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modorf:

fxfitz, the Ubuntu Fiesty build is a bit old, since the mythweather bug

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fxfitz:

modorf, Alright. How would I go about installing "the new version"??

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Kevorkian:

isnt that when msnbc changed the format ?

[17:02:00]

modorf:

fxfitz, wait for Ubuntu to back-port MythTV to Fiesty from Gusty, wait for Mythbuntu's package release, upgrade to Gusty, or build you own

[17:02:35]

modorf:

Kevorkian, I think the msnbc change was what broke mythweather at least in the US

[17:02:37]

fxfitz:

modorf, Hmm. What would be the best way? :-P

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modorf:

fxfitz, I'm just waiting right now, but contumplating downloading the Gusty MythTV packages and pray nothing else breaks on my Feisty system.

[17:04:12]

modorf:

fxfitz, are you running x86 or x86_64?

[17:04:33]

fxfitz:

modorf, I /believe/ x86. I'm not much of a hardware person. :-P

[17:04:34]

modorf:

mythbuntu has a set of packages built for x86

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modorf:

fxfitz, if you `uname -a` that will tell you which hardware platform your using

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modorf:

or atleast which kernel your using

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fxfitz:

Linux tvbox 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 20:19:32 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux

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modorf:

fxfitz, your using the x86 packages

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fxfitz:

Alright.

[17:07:45]

wastrel:

$260 for hardware for mythtv. tivo ends up being cheaper

[17:08:12]

modorf:

fxfitz, http://www.mythbuntu.org/

[17:09:26]

modorf:

wastrel, your also not looking at the monthly cost for schedules, having the ability to control the content yourself

[17:09:53]

sphery:

modorf: you're also not looking at time

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xris:

wastrel: that's cheap hardware, too.

[17:10:03]

xris:

but you can do way more with mythtv than tivo

[17:10:08]

wastrel:

modorf: that's with a year of service :]

[17:10:11]

sphery:

IMHO, Myth is probably the most expensive PVR. But, to me it's worth it.

[17:10:12]

wastrel:

yeah i'm still going with myth.

[17:10:16]

fxfitz:

modorf, I'm not looking to delete my current operating system though.

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modorf:

sphery, ok, not looking at the time I've spent and pissing my wife off, but I have enjoyed.

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xris:

sphery: actually, tivo series 3 is pretty spendy.

[17:11:04]

RyeBrye:

Would an AMD Athlon 800 Mhz be an okay frontend for SDTV?

[17:11:07]

xris:

and myth costs less than vista mce, too

[17:11:22]

xris:

RyeBrye: it should, yeah. just get a good nvidia video card (5200)

[17:11:39]

sphery:

I'm factoring in cost of the time spent on it.

[17:11:41]

modorf:

fxfitz, you don't have to delete your current ubuntu box. just add their repositories to your source list, then do an update

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** RyeBrye sees an old gateway listed on craiglist for $50 – the price just might be right :) **

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fxfitz:

Oooh!

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fxfitz:

And it won't break anything?

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sphery:

I also have a /lot/ of money in hardware.

[17:12:07]

wastrel:

i'm looking at this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814139174 because i need composite out

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modorf:

fxfitz, I haven't tried it, but the idea is that it won't break anything.

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RyeBrye:

wastrel – I bought a GeForce 6200 in November for $30 that does composite HD out

[17:13:05]

RyeBrye:

wastrel – it was a 128 meg card, fanless, and from chief value (which is basically the same store as newegg)

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RyeBrye:

wastrel – I'll see if Ic an find the link

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fxfitz:

Now what exactly do I add to make it work? :(

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niter3:

Hi guys. I'm having a hell of a time getting my wide screen tv working. Could somebody help assist me in setting this up. I'm not to sure what I'm doing wrong. My vid card supports a max resolution of 1920x1440.

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RyeBrye:

wastrel – this card might be better value for the money: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133151

[17:15:53]

niter3:

Just doesn't seem to fille the edges in. I can get the screen up on the LCD tv, but their is so much space on the left and right side of the tv

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wastrel:

RyeBrye: there's no composite plug? i don't have svideo

[17:16:11]

RyeBrye:

wastrel – it has a little tail that has composite out on it that you connect to the s-video-like connector on the card (notice in the pics how that connector has a ton of pins, and isn't really svideo)...

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fxfitz:

modorf, Err, nevermind. Found it.

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wastrel:

oic

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, by basically the same store, you do mean entirely different, but share some of the same prices

[17:16:46]

RyeBrye:

wastrel – yeah, that's the same way that my 128 meg version works... the little tail thing has both an svideo out on it and the composite outs

[17:16:48]

xris:

niter3: generally, you go into the tv's settings and adjust the picture there, just like a monitor.

[17:16:57]

modorf:

fxfitz, http://www.mythbuntu.org/files/packages/dists . . . eekly-fixes/

[17:17:07]

RyeBrye:

kormoc – are chief value and new egg different people? I thought they were the same store with two different websites

[17:17:20]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, I do believe they are different folks

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wastrel:

RyeBrye: i don't have HD, that will work for regular composite? it's going to convert to coax anyway, that's all my TV has

[17:17:56]

wastrel:

i don't know anything about this A/V stuff

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niter3:

xris: here is my manual for my tv. http://www.aocdisplay.com/envision/manuals/L27W461.pdf

[17:18:07]

RyeBrye:

wastrel – oh, so you need coax? Yeah, that one just has the RCA style outputs (the red green blue things)

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niter3:

could you of be some help

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wastrel:

i don't think i can use that. i need the yellow thingy

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xris:

niter3: if the tv doesn't support that sort of stuff (most good hdtvs should, though), you're just going to have to play around with resolutions until you get one that lines up well with the edges.

[17:19:26]

fxfitz:

modorf, Okay, well, I added it but nothing happened. :(

[17:19:28]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, whois shows different contact addresses and phone numbers, as well as different hosting providers

[17:19:34]

niter3:

nevermind I got it

[17:19:35]

** Kevorkian farts **

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RyeBrye:

http://www.resellerratings.com/forum/t112076.html

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fxfitz:

modorf, apt-get upgrade didn't do anything. Nothing to upgrade.

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RyeBrye:

kormoc – yeah, that thread later on has a message indicating that they are different companies. I guess they have the same distribution warehouse which means they use the same inventory numbers

[17:20:14]

** RyeBrye stands corrected **

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, that email header bit is quite interesting tho

[17:23:10]

RyeBrye:

kormoc – yeah, there is a link in the bottom of the thread that points to another quite longer thread that goes on and on – people complain that Reseller Ratings doesn't link the two, and a RR admin says that's because they are seperate companies...

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** kormoc nods **

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RyeBrye:

the reason I thought they were the same was just because of the same inventory numbers and same mailling address... In reality, it's not too relevant

[17:23:35]

RyeBrye:

since their prices are different :)

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wastrel:

can myth play dvd from my computer drive to my TV?

[17:24:52]

RyeBrye:

mythfronted can yes

[17:25:27]

wastrel:

is this something i can control with an IR remote?

[17:25:32]

RyeBrye:

wastrel – if your frontend device has a dvd drive, you can play the dvd back

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** wastrel adds a DVD drive to his shopping list **

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RyeBrye:

wastrel – if you have an IR receiver for your computer, like a LIRC device (see http://www.lirc.org ) you can

[17:26:13]

wastrel:

yeah lirc

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RyeBrye:

fwiw I use a wireless keyboard to control my machine – although I'm going to get my LIRC stuff setup better

[17:26:30]

RyeBrye:

It does feel more like "watching TV" when you use a remote rather than a keyboard

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wastrel:

this is for my GF

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wastrel:

trying to replicate dying replaytv pvr as closely as possible.

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wastrel:

i don't watch tv personally

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RyeBrye:

Hmmm

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RyeBrye:

I see a P4 1.6 GHz machine on craigslist that I could probably pick up for $100 -

[17:36:58]

RyeBrye:

I could use that as another slave backend as well as a frontend, probably

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RyeBrye:

(for sdtv)

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Kevorkian:

I would still recomend at least a mpeg encoder card

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RyeBrye:

Is 10/100 ethernet fast enough for nfs dumping of a slave backend to the master backend HD of recordings?

[17:37:50]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I'd do a Hauppauge PVR 500 card probably

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** RyeBrye would like 4 tuners :) **

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juski:

RyeBrye: if 100mbit ethernet isn't fast enough there's something wrong.. unless you have a _very_ busy network at home

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Kevorkian:

well .. for reference a SD dvd at full rate is like 8mb/sec

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RyeBrye:

true :)

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RyeBrye:

802.11g wouldn't be fast enough I take it

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juski:

might be but YMMV

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Kevorkian:

why not ??

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RyeBrye:

it MIGHT be

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Kevorkian:

the issue with wireless isnt bandwith .. but latency

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RyeBrye:

but when I was transfering some files over SSH from my machine to that one over wireless I was only getting about 500 Kb/sec

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Kevorkian:

increase the window size

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juski:

latency & interruptions.. interference in other words

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RyeBrye:

Gotcha

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RyeBrye:

I'll try to tweak the window size and see what I can get out of that card

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RyeBrye:

but I will probably just plug it in to wires now

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Kevorkian:

even with clear reception .. you have like a lot of delay in the radios

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RyeBrye:

When I first moved into my new place, I thought I was going to have to run cat 5 everywhere since there was just POTS lines everywhere but no Cat5 jacks

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RyeBrye:

but the I found in my utlility closet about six or seven cat 5 lines going down into a box – so I assume they wired the telephone jacks using CAT5

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Kevorkian:

most likely cat3

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RyeBrye:

It's labeled cat5 on the wires

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Kevorkian:

nice

[17:41:20]

Kevorkian:

got lucky

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Kevorkian:

unless

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RyeBrye:

I was pleasently suprised :)

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Kevorkian:

they broke it out and used pairs in the wires

[17:41:41]

RyeBrye:

yeah, true

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Kevorkian:

and wired the boxes in series

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RyeBrye:

I'll check it out and see more... There seem to be as many lines into my ulitility closet as there are jacks in the house

[17:42:15]

RyeBrye:

looks like they are all home runs to the utility closet

[17:42:18]

RyeBrye:

but I haven't looked too closely

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Kevorkian:

that would be nice .. but home phone guys usualy do the least amount of work needed .. but then again it might have been the previous owner

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RyeBrye:

We dont' use plain telephone, so I will likely just put a patch panel and switch in and put cat5 jacks on all the old telephone line jacks (except for maybe 1 for when I sell the house and someone might look for a thing)

[17:43:23]

RyeBrye:

well – if it's the previous owner, then I know I'm screwed :)

[17:43:25]

RyeBrye:

He was an idiot

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Kevorkian:

awww

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Kevorkian:

your brother ?

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** Kevorkian ducks **

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RyeBrye:

he used pipe thread compound as if it was some kind of sealant on his plumbing...

[17:43:41]

RyeBrye:

:)

[17:43:53]

RyeBrye:

no, some hispanic guy who is a "builder"

[17:44:20]

RyeBrye:

I'd hate to see what he "builds" since he didn't seem to understand basics of plumbing, wiring, or other things an average-joe homeowner should know

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Kevorkian:

graduated from standing outside the home deopt ?

[17:44:26]

RyeBrye:

Yeah :)

[17:44:27]

RyeBrye:

Probably :)

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Kevorkian:

who knows what people know ..

[17:45:27]

RyeBrye:

True

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Kevorkian:

ive met some people that you would think are idiots .. but when it comes to the subject they do KNOW about .. they really know all about it

[17:46:12]

RyeBrye:

yeah, true

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** RyeBrye knows nothing **

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Kevorkian:

the smartest people in the world are the ones that know what they dont know.

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RyeBrye:

Known unknowns :)

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wastrel:

unknown unknowns

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wastrel:

and stuff we know is true but we're ignoring for political reasons

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RyeBrye:

kormoc still around?

[17:54:19]

RyeBrye:

I dont' watch the boondocks, no

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RyeBrye:

'cause I found on the chiefvalue site... – at the very bottom it tells you it's a newegg site:

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RyeBrye:

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RyeBrye:

so I guess that's probably why I said they were the same :)

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juski:

evening

[18:39:23]

stuarta:

evening

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juski:

got all my watermarks for blootube-wide done. what a chore that became

[18:42:39]

RyeBrye:

are those new themes in the trunk?

[18:43:47]

juski:

no not yet

[18:43:51]

juski:

they're not yet worthy

[18:44:22]

juski:

but getting there: www.juski.co.uk/look.png

[18:44:48]

RyeBrye:

Cool

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juski:

just done the new title icons. shiny shiny

[18:45:24]

RyeBrye:

Big Brother is watching you :)

[18:45:32]

RyeBrye:

like the shiny look

[18:46:02]

RyeBrye:

Are themes tough to build?

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juski:

yes

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RyeBrye:

yeah, thats what I thought

[18:46:28]

RyeBrye:

lots of little image files and stuff, right?

[18:46:33]

RyeBrye:

and manually editing an xml file?

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juski:

not technically hard but there's a hell of a lot of work

[18:46:42]

RyeBrye:

Yeah

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juski:

a *hell* of a lot of work

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RyeBrye:

Yeah... Someone should write a program to make it easier – like people do for making phone themes

[18:47:21]

juski:

I dunno if I'm happy with some of the new images yet but they can be updated later

[18:47:24]

RyeBrye:

by "someone" I mean: "I would like a program, but no way I would ever write one" :)

[18:47:50]

juski:

oh no editing the xml & putting files in place is a doddle compared to drawing the images

[18:48:31]

juski:

like www.juski.co.uk/appearance.png started life looking er.. not as good & took a good 20 mins to retouch the photo

[18:48:45]

RyeBrye:

Hmm... I might take a crack at it some time... I'm really good at image manipulating and editing...

[18:48:56]

** RyeBrye worked as a graphic designer for about 9 years **

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juski:

now you say!

[18:49:04]

RyeBrye:

:)

[18:49:13]

juski:

welcome to the theme team! muhahahaha

[18:49:32]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I'm willing to help

[18:49:35]

RyeBrye:

I'm a whiz in photoshop

[18:49:44]

RyeBrye:

err... I mean... I ONLY use the Gimp!

[18:49:45]

RyeBrye:

;)

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juski:

right I'll put my thick skin on now... as an ex-pro designer what do you make of the themes I've done?

[18:50:01]

juski:

image-wise

[18:50:23]

a5benwillis:

blah, cant get myhtwebto stream video at a watchable rate... Keeps buffering.

[18:50:24]

RyeBrye:

I like them

[18:50:47]

RyeBrye:

I like the round layout and the consistent colors

[18:51:20]

juski:

even the sharpest corners are a little rounded in real life – that's my take on it

[18:51:52]

RyeBrye:

On the eye on the "apperance" one I might do some gradual blurring toward the edge so it wasn't such a "sharp image" against the round border – and it would make the eye a bit more of the focal point

[18:52:11]

juski:

so many of the default graphics are spoiled IMHO by having a rounded box with a hard rectangle select bar

[18:52:13]

RyeBrye:

If I had photoshop on my machine here I'd do a quick mockup of what I'm talking about, but I'm at work now... I can do something quick when I get home

[18:52:16]

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[18:52:31]

juski:

RyeBrye: noted. a minor tweak :)

[18:52:34]

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[18:52:44]

RyeBrye:

Are you using Photoshop?

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juski:

god no. it's too unintuitive

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RyeBrye:

yeah, it might be – but once you've used it forever it's wired in your brain

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juski:

plus its scaled views really suck

[18:53:48]

RyeBrye:

The reason I ask is because using layers in photoshop would help make life a lot simpler – you could keep the consistent right sidebar and just drop images in below on the left

[18:53:58]

RyeBrye:

Maybe GIMP does something similar – what are you using?

[18:54:04]

juski:

you think I'm not using layers?

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RyeBrye:

does GIMP have alpha transparencies in layers?

[18:54:09]

RyeBrye:

I dunno :)

[18:54:13]

Dagmar:

Yes

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juski:

GIMP would be a royal pain too

[18:54:46]

RyeBrye:

What are you using?

[18:54:50]

juski:

PSP

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Dagmar:

I really don't have any problem using Gimp

[18:55:37]

juski:

PSP is great for mixing vectors & bitmaps

[18:55:41]

Tanthrix:

We at least all of us Photoshop and Gimp users can agree on one thing: PSP sucks!

[18:55:44]

RyeBrye:

My favorite image editing program of all time was Live Picture – but they killed it off... It was really sweet... beat photoshop hands down at the time... It used a resolution-independent FITS based image editing engine, and rendered low-res proxies on your screen.... all of the editing was nondestructive

[18:55:51]

RyeBrye:

It did layers before Photoshop did

[18:56:00]

Dagmar:

I found lots of useless in the osd stuff

[18:56:27]

juski:

the one thing I always thought photoshop would be better at would be layer blending & mask layers.. and it isn't – as I discovered after trying it

[18:56:40]

stuarta:

i should stop backup up my mailboxes across the net

[18:57:07]

RyeBrye:

I've never used PSP, so I don't know how it works – but I have some tricks to get photoshop mask layers to work well

[18:58:22]

Dagmar:

It would be easier if you just had direct access to the red, green, blue, and alpha channels.

[18:58:25]

Dagmar:

...like you do in Gimp.

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, true... it is kind of lame you are limited to just the luminosity

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juski:

RyeBrye: refresh the appearance.png :)

[18:59:32]

RyeBrye:

Juski – yeah, that looks better

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juski:

duplicate the original layer, blur the duplicate then erase areas of the top blurred image :)

[19:00:13]

RyeBrye:

What I'd toy around with (and it might look like crap, so I only mention "toy around with") would be to desaturate the image towards the edges and leave the eye fully saturated...

[19:00:29]

RyeBrye:

I'd do it in photoshop by making a duplicate layer and setting a layer effect on it to make it totally desaturated

[19:00:54]

RyeBrye:

then on top of it I'd throw the eye fully saturated and put a gradient alpha mask on it that I would blur a bit to let the colors fade in to a certain area

[19:01:06]

Dagmar:

http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . nt=alert.png <-- osd alert dialog does not work well as scrolltext

[19:01:18]

RyeBrye:

I wouldn't let the image go FULLY black & white – but just slightly...

[19:01:27]

RyeBrye:

sometimes the effect works well, sometimes it looks horrible

[19:02:21]

laga:

juski: is that a makeup blob on the upper eye lashes? ;)

[19:02:44]

Dagmar:

I get the feeling the rarer parts of osd.xml don't get seen much

[19:02:49]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: You're making an LCARS OSD?

[19:02:57]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: yes.

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juski:

RyeBrye: refresh

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Dagmar:

Have been for awhile now

[19:03:19]

Tanthrix:

Nifty.

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juski:

laga: I already had to tidy up makeup splodges on below the eye & get rid of veins..

[19:03:54]

laga:

yuck, veins

[19:04:17]

RyeBrye:

juski – I'd see what it looked like if I moved the eye up a bit... so it looked like it was looking directly at the "apperances" text – but depends on how much source image you have available on the left side to work with

[19:04:36]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I made this years back when I was learning flash for fun (I know, I have since had myself shot) http://stuff.novae-res.org/lcars.swf

[19:04:37]

RyeBrye:

Does Myth support animations in themes yet?

[19:04:40]

juski:

RyeBrye: not enough and my cloning skills aren't up to it

[19:04:48]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Sort of

[19:04:50]

RyeBrye:

yeah. Gotta hate that

[19:04:56]

juski:

RyeBrye: not as such, but there's a flipbook thing you can use

[19:05:00]

Tanthrix:

And by made I mean cobbled it together from various sources, including ripping off the only vector starship I could find, voyager, from Paramount's site.

[19:05:02]

juski:

it's not all that

[19:05:08]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Neat!

[19:05:18]

juski:

laga: original image... http://www.imageafter.com/image.php?image=b20 . . . eburg001.jpg

[19:05:24]

RyeBrye:

So for animations, it would be kind of hard to make some kind of Tivo-smoke like background I bet

[19:05:25]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: DOing those orange/white text things using what Myth has for animation makes a theme INHALE memory

[19:06:44]

RyeBrye:

juski: yeah, that woudl be a nightmare to clone...

[19:06:47]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I've heard that kind of stuff can be tricky.

[19:06:48]

juski:

RyeBrye: wait until the menus are more like an OSD overlayed on video

[19:07:05]

juski:

tivo uses mpegs for menu backgrounds

[19:07:07]

Dagmar:

I *do not like* that the OSD uses a 640x480 grid

[19:07:13]

Dagmar:

It makes my stuff look all freaking blurry

[19:07:14]

Dagmar:

HATE HATE

[19:07:28]

RyeBrye:

It would be HELLA cool if the menus were an OSD overlayed over an OpenGL layer, and the way video was implemented was by implementing an OpenGL object to play video back

[19:07:46]

RyeBrye:

then you could have some cool openGL crap in the background of the menus

[19:07:49]

RyeBrye:

or video

[19:07:52]

RyeBrye:

or stills... etc

[19:09:15]

RyeBrye:

Have you guys seen the RSS feed screensaver on OS X? The one that is build using Quartz Composer? It's got a big helix of news headlines in teh background that kind of stream up, and then a tube of news headlines scrolling around – and when a new headline comes in it swoops out and gets big, and then when it goes away it swoops away...

[19:09:20]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I'll be curious to see how it turns out. Frankly, I'm not that hopeful – while LCARS does give me the geeky giggles it's one of the most useless interfaces that exists. (Though I suppose the Cardassian one is worse)

[19:09:21]

RyeBrye:

hard to describe, but it's really really coollooking

[19:09:43]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: (In that they both waste screen space, look kind of funky, etc..)

[19:09:51]

** juski re-uploads his mockup videos **

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: not necessarily.... http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . usicplay.png

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opello:

is zap2it limited to 2 days now?

[19:10:35]

** RyeBrye goes to check **

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juski:

RyeBrye: I'm just the guy for making moving menu backgrounds.. done a lot for dvd

[19:10:56]

RyeBrye:

Oh, that's great :)

[19:11:17]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: One of the better ones that I've seen over the years.

[19:11:18]

RyeBrye:

Are any of the developers working on getting the menus to play over video?

[19:11:25]

juski:

RyeBrye: nope

[19:11:39]

juski:

it's not as simple as it sounds

[19:11:44]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, probably not

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RyeBrye:

since it's using all QT crap

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juski:

course now XBMC is being ported to linux...

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juski:

they could concievably write a real kicking mythtv plugin for it.. one that actually works well

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wastrel:

hi

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RyeBrye:

If QT had some open GL support, it's not too hard to have video overlayed over other stuff overlayed over other stuff

[19:12:58]

juski:

RyeBrye: it does :)

[19:13:03]

RyeBrye:

(like Beryl or Compiz)

[19:13:08]

juski:

but the mythtv opengl stuff is using real opengl anyway

[19:13:43]

juski:

http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/videos/animock.mpg

[19:13:48]

RyeBrye:

Things like the Ogre 3d framework wouldprobably work well

[19:14:01]

RyeBrye:

but might be overkill :)

[19:14:15]

juski:

and http://downloads.mythtvtalk.com/mythtv/videos/whoops.mpg (still uploading)

[19:15:22]

juski:

heard folks wax lyrical about Elisa but tbh that UI just stinks of poo. so it's animated. yeah.. but it's crap

[19:17:29]

juski:

so – yeah theming isn't hard per se it'll just eat your time

[19:17:44]

juski:

you can tweak images til you're blue in the face

[19:18:01]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, true :)

[19:18:30]

juski:

actually you could do me a big favour if you have a bit of time

[19:18:35]

RyeBrye:

What's that?

[19:18:58]

juski:

the watermarks I've got for programguide & stuff – I'm not 100% happy with them. wanna see what you can come up with?

[19:19:05]

RyeBrye:

sure

[19:19:14]

RyeBrye:

What kind of files to you have your existing ones in?

[19:19:21]

adante:

juski: cool, what is that whoops.mpg?

[19:19:35]

juski:

I'll let you have a PSD with the watermark base images in it RyeBrye

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wastrel:

400GB drive generally OK at this point?

[19:19:39]

RyeBrye:

Ok

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juski:

adante: just a mockup :)

[19:19:58]

RyeBrye:

I just msg'ed you my email

[19:19:59]

juski:

it's not working code or anything like that so don't go digging it

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laga:

wastrel: 500GB works even better ;)

[19:20:07]

wastrel:

but spendy

[19:20:12]

laga:

wastrel: true

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RyeBrye:

wastrel – sdtv?

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RyeBrye:

400 gig should be fine for standard def

[19:20:25]

adante:

juski: haha ok.. what's it for?

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adante:

(here i was getting excited)

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wastrel:

definitely standard def

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RyeBrye:

Hardware encoder?

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RyeBrye:

for mpeg2 stuff that's not bad... if you are using a hauppage PVR card that would give you quite a few hours

[19:22:35]

juski:

adante: just messing around to see what it'd look like

[19:23:01]

** RyeBrye has a mythbox that seems to be locking up every couple of days :( **

[19:23:14]

RyeBrye:

(at the OS level, appears... machine get totally hung)

[19:23:26]

** RyeBrye needs to go home and tweek his system a bit! **

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RyeBrye:

The power-on over ethernet stuff can reboot a totally locked machine, can't it?

[19:24:37]

** RyeBrye wonders if he can just put an openWRT router on his network and reboot his mythbox when it crashes manually from remote **

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laga:

do you mean wake on lan?

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RyeBrye:

yeah, that stuff

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Krazylegz:

Hauppauge sales seems pretty good.

[19:26:19]

Krazylegz:

Got me a new IR receiver for my PVR-350.

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wastrel:

hardware encoder hauppauge 150 thingy

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mkrufky:

wastrel: get the largest drive you can afford — you will not regret it

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mkrufky:

500 GB is the most bang for the buck right now, but 750 GB isnt that much more expensive

[19:30:30]

mkrufky:

1TB is prohibitively expensive, IMHO

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Kevorkian:

whos making a 1tb drive now ?

[19:31:18]

mkrufky:

Hitachi

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, a 1TB Maxtor drive would be a great!

[19:31:40]

** RyeBrye is sarcastic **

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mkrufky:

Seagate bought out Maxtor

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RyeBrye:

Maxtor should sell all their high-capacity drives in 2 packs

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jduggan:

lol

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RyeBrye:

So you can use them in a RAID

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RyeBrye:

I've had Maxtor drives and Western Digital drives fail on me well before the MTBF

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RyeBrye:

or the listed MTBF that is

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laga:

that's because it's a *M*TBF ;)

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RyeBrye:

yeah :)

[19:32:56]

RyeBrye:

and they may define "F" differently?

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RyeBrye:

"Oh, we mean fail – as in – it blows up and kills you... losing data isn't really failure in our definition"

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Kevorkian:

well .. mean does mean that half will fail before that

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RyeBrye:

One thing that I found interesting was a while ago Google published a paper on predicting drive failure... they tried to find indicators that predicted when a drive was about to fail so they could proactively replace drives

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Neeesat25:

Good evening

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Kevorkian:

how large is your sample RyeBrye ?

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RyeBrye:

My sample is 1

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RyeBrye:

but I am assuming their standard deviation is not 3 years

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mkrufky:

yeah, i just bought four of those seagate barracuda 750GB drives and and threw them into a raid5

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RyeBrye:

The drives died in about 6 months for the WD, and 8 months for the maxtor

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RyeBrye:

I still buy Maxtor drives

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RyeBrye:

'cause they're cheap

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RyeBrye:

but I don't put stuff I desperately need on them... storing mythtv recordings is fine

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Kevorkian:

in my experence .. drive failure is 100% related to heat.. keep em cold and they last forever

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Neeesat25:

I have try Nvidia FX5200 and 6150 cards for TV-out composite and I need better quality. Any recomendation for a better car for TV-out?

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laga:

Kevorkian: trust, tripping over them kills them as well. poor maxtor drive :(

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Kevorkian:

Neeesat25, dont use composite ..

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laga:

Kevorkian: err, trust me*

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Neeesat25:

Thats what I have, SVIDEO and COMPOSITE

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RyeBrye:

Kevorkian- I like to keep the ambient temperature the same as the operating temperature for them... I like to put them in a little heater running about 150 degrees F so that the drive doesn't have to work hard...

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wastrel:

my drives in my current box have been going for several years

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Kevorkian:

then use svid Neeesat25

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** RyeBrye is kidding, of course :) **

[19:36:42]

Neeesat25:

Still no good

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wastrel:

they're old and slow and small tho

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RyeBrye:

DVI to HDTV

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Kevorkian:

what exactly do you want Neeesat25 ?? your not going to get any better then svid for sdtv

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Neeesat25:

Well the output from 5200 and 6150 on composite it's not so good

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Neeesat25:

Any better card?

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Kevorkian:

then use svid

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RyeBrye:

probably a TV issue

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RyeBrye:

SDTV wont be crisp. Period.

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Kevorkian:

what exactly are you expecting ?

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Neeesat25:

not so clear picture

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Kevorkian:

your tv will NOT look like your monitor

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RyeBrye:

ARe you running 640x480?

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RyeBrye:

or 800x600

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Neeesat25:

I need better quality

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Kevorkian:

Then buy a better tv

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Neeesat25:

I have used the hardware decoder of a nexus card for tv out and it's mutch better

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Neeesat25:

I need a better card for tv-out if there is?

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mlehrer:

Neeesat25: maybe a hauppauge wintv card would be better

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mlehrer:

e.g. pvr350

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Kevorkian:

well .. you just said it .. go get one of them nexus;s

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Neeesat25:

I use only DVB-s

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serversage:

Neeesat25: I came in at the middle of the convo, but why not use an Nvidia card for TV out?

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Neeesat25:

I am using FX5200 and 6150 and I need a better card

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Neeesat25:

Is there a better Nvidia card in the market from those two?

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serversage:

Neeesat25: What is wrong with the FX5200 and 6150?

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RyeBrye:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 138085317167

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RyeBrye:

That will fix your TV out problem

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Kevorkian:

Neeesat25, what EXACTLY do you mean by tv-out quality ?? whats wrong with what you are seeing ?

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RyeBrye:

Have you used Nvidia-settings to tweak the output settings?

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RyeBrye:

You can tweak overscan, sharpness.... etc.

[19:42:38]

RyeBrye:

My tvout looks like hell until I run nvidia-settings on it

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Neeesat25:

What I am saying is that I have seen a better composite and svideo signal from a NEXUS DVB-s card and I am wondering if there is similar nvidia card out there?

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ServerSage:

Neeesat25: I'm not sure you can get much better output than what you are probably getting from the 5200.

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RyeBrye:

you have to tweak it with the nvidia-settings

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** ServerSage finds that hard to believe. **

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Neeesat25:

I have change the settings but still the same

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Kevorkian:

of course your screen will look like crap if your trying to run it at 1024X768

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RyeBrye:

not just crap – completely illegible

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MrFeetio:

how well do USB tv tuners work?

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RyeBrye:

I don't have USB TV, so I dont' know

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Neeesat25:

Can mythtv use the output of a NEXUS card?

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ServerSage:

MrFeetio: Depends on the USB tv tuner. :)

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tcpsyn:

any of you guys mod your own xbox?

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ServerSage:

Neeesat25: If X can use it.

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tcpsyn:

it looks mildly difficult. Is it worth it?

[19:44:31]

RyeBrye:

for a myth frontend?

[19:44:33]

tcpsyn:

yeah

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RyeBrye:

I've not done it, but I've heard the box works okay

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Neeesat25:

What about frame buffer out from a matrox card?

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ServerSage:

Neeesat25: Once again, if X can use it....

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tcpsyn:

I'm sure it works great

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tcpsyn:

I'm just wondering if it's as difficult to mod as it looks

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RyeBrye:

probably a major PITA

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GreyFoxx:

Neeesat25: If you mean DirectFB, there is some support in there. I've never tried it myself

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ServerSage:

tcpsyn: I didn't think it was worth it.

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GreyFoxx:

Neeesat25: few people do, so I don't know how easy/well documented it is

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tcpsyn:

serversage, did you go with a similar dedicated frontend?

[19:46:34]

Neeesat25:

Can the game emus works with DirectFB?

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ServerSage:

tcpsyn: I built a frontend, yes. My wife got cranky when I had the server next to the TV...

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tcpsyn:

what'd you use for the frontend.

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GreyFoxx:

Neeesat25: You'd have to check the docs on each one you use

[19:46:57]

tcpsyn:

I'm looking for a cheap dedicated frontend.

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tcpsyn:

or 3

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RyeBrye:

ServerSage – what are you using for a server? a 4U unit or something :P

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GreyFoxx:

I've never seen any specifically mention directfb support, but I don't use directfb so I don't know what it takes to support its use

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** RyeBrye has his frontend/backend behind his TV **

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ServerSage:

RyeBrye: As a matter of fact, yes. :) I have a 4U server with a 3ware 4port card and 4x 400GB drives.

[19:48:12]

ServerSage:

tcpsyn: I just bought a media case that went with my TV and stereo, and then just started buying quiet components (Read: no fans).

[19:48:52]

tcpsyn:

only necissary thing is going to be IR recievers

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ServerSage:

tcpsyn: It wasn't cheap though.

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tcpsyn:

damnit

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ServerSage:

tcpsyn: You can get those on ebay for like $15.

[19:49:31]

ServerSage:

tcpsyn: Or, if you have a spare hauppauge card like I did, just use that.

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tcpsyn:

yeah.. I don't need hard drives or dvds or anything.. Maybe I should leave dvds in them

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RyeBrye:

ServerSage – that's nuts. :) I thought about putting a little rack in for my backend, but didn't want to spend the $

[19:50:16]

tcpsyn:

Serversage, I use the hauppauge for IR now.. and I use lirc over tcp/ip which is nice.

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** juski wonders how hard it'd be to change the menu code to allow buttons to follow a path or grid formation.. **

[19:50:34]

tcpsyn:

but I'll have to get serial recievers for the frontends.

[19:51:11]

ServerSage:

RyeBrye: I got the rack from SharkRack on ebay for $50. They are local to me, so I just picked it up. I got the 4U case from work when they phased out the big servers. And the hard drives were on sale dirt cheap.

[19:51:27]

ServerSage:

tcpsyn: Why?

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** RyeBrye is jealous **

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RyeBrye:

ServerSage – the 4U has PCI slots,right?

[19:51:45]

ServerSage:

RyeBrye: Yup.

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juski:

Dagmar: would you benefit from being about to offset every button? e.g. in blootube-wide have them laid out alongside the arc in.. an arc :)

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ServerSage:

RyeBrye: Filled with hauppauge cards. :)

[19:52:02]

RyeBrye:

500's or 150's?

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ServerSage:

250's and 350's. No reason for using these, just happened to be on sale locally.

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RyeBrye:

gotcha

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ServerSage:

RyeBrye: My backend isn't just for myth though. It's my backup server, file server, DNS for my LAN, my PDC for my house, etc...

[19:54:05]

RyeBrye:

makes sense

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ServerSage:

RyeBrye: Until you look at the power bill.

[19:54:16]

RyeBrye:

I would do something similar if I wer eto do it

[19:54:20]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, true :)

[19:54:45]

RyeBrye:

Maybe I'd just run the backend in the winter

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juski:

oh man. over 100 revisions to blootube-wide since I started the revamp

[19:54:53]

RyeBrye:

and put it in my furnace duct to heat the house :)

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ServerSage:

RyeBrye: My only complaint is that my garage is attached to my house, and you can hear my backend from the dining room. Sounds like a jet spinning up in the garage.

[19:55:02]

RyeBrye:

lol

[19:55:13]

RyeBrye:

yeah, there's not much of a market for silent server fan

[19:55:15]

RyeBrye:

s

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ServerSage:

RyeBrye: I live in California, so Never need the heat. But it gets REALLY hot in the garage.

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juski:

over 100 revisions & still haven't even touched ui.xml

[19:55:42]

RyeBrye:

you using your own svn or putting it into a branch?

[19:55:52]

juski:

my own svn

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juski:

the commit emails from what I'm doing would be many :)

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juski:

duh.. search words.. I should use an image of a dictionary. muh!

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RyeBrye:

:

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RyeBrye:

:)

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RyeBrye:

http://provo.craigslist.org/sys/336831528.html gotta love how they specify clock speed but not processor type

[19:57:59]

RyeBrye:

1Ghz machines! w00t!

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ServerSage:

RyeBrye: Don't ya just love craigslist? :)

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ServerSage:

RyeBrye: My favorite are the people that have to POST ALL IN CAPS TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS.

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wastrel:

craigslist provo good god

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wastrel:

i guess they've expanded since i last looked

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tcpsyn:

juski, you're revamping blootube now. Damn man.

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tcpsyn:

you're a busy guy.

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tcpsyn:

It's hard to find a motherboard with enough pci slots for a serious myth backend

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Kevorkian:

so run 3 backends

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de-v:

i run 3 heh, 1 master 2 slaves

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de-v:

pci bus isnt that fast anyway..

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tcpsyn:

yeah, but I'm trying to have room in the house for things other than computers

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Kevorkian:

your also looking at power requirments on the buss

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de-v:

thats what dumpster diving for old cabinets and your basement is for

[20:12:37]

de-v:

oh, and a large pickup

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de-v:

:)

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Kevorkian:

large pickup ??

[20:13:04]

de-v:

to carry said cabinet, or 2 ;)

[20:13:06]

** Kevorkian points at the gas price sign. **

[20:13:20]

de-v:

yeah its almost 90$ to fill my silverado

[20:13:23]

de-v:

:)

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de-v:

but i also have a car

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de-v:

i drive that more, though its pretty expensive to fill also since it only takes 93 octane

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de-v:

but anyways, its worth it to pickup 2 cabinets

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Kevorkian:

my local station still only pre auths $50 for a cc .. so if I am filling up I need to pump twce

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de-v:

did that a few weeks ago

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de-v:

gas prices actually went down here.. dunno how much it'd cost to fill now.. havent really drove it in a month except for a few weeks ago to get the cabinets

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de-v:

only use it for towing the boat/jetskies, camping, and dragging my car around when i break it :)

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juski:

tcpsyn: yeah I'm busy alright. I swear I'll take a day off tomorrow though

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RyeBrye:

http://provo.craigslist.org/sys/330858533.html LOL – this guy thinks his P3 machine "would make an excellent webserver"

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Beirdo:

why wouldn't it?

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RyeBrye:

Depends on what you want to serve...

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Beirdo:

most webserver crap doesn't need huge processor

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Beirdo:

ya might wanna throw a bit more RAM into it though

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, lots of ram

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RyeBrye:

I would say "would make an adequate webserver for home use" would be more accurate

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Beirdo:

just stop serving craptacular huge PHP scripts

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

like that will ever happen :)

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** RyeBrye does J2EE, not PHP :) **

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Beirdo:

Hahahaha

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Beirdo:

even worse

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RyeBrye:

yeah, for server requirements

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RyeBrye:

but performance and code maintenance is much better

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laga:

i'm still awed how easy it is for phpnuke (or was it postnuke) to take down a reasonably-sized web server. :)

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stuarta:

and be hacked in five seconds flat

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RyeBrye:

yeah – wouldn't it hit the DB server hard?

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** juski does the "approx half way there" dance **

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juski:

half way in terms of screens, not time

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Beirdo:

1,905,418 records in irclog

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Beirdo:

heh

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RyeBrye:

http://provo.craigslist.org/sys/338555924.html

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RyeBrye:

I wonder if that guy just is as stupid as he sounds, or if he's trying to rip people off

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** Beirdo burps **

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** MythLogBot burps back at Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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** stuarta farts **

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Beirdo:

good, the luascript works fine, time to unload it

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** RyeBrye covers his nose **

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Beirdo:

I didn't load that module

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Beirdo:

one sec

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stuarta:

was just checking if the bot was house trained :)

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** Beirdo farts **

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** MythLogBot farts back at Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

that one stays disabled too

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Beirdo:

generally

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laga:

why?

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laga:

:)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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** Beirdo belches **

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** MythLogBot belches back at Beirdo and shatters the windows **

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

fart was my test for regexps (done in C)

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** MythLogBot farts back at Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

burp was the test LUA script

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** MythLogBot burps back at Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

there

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Beirdo:

burp fart

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

unloaded em both

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** RyeBrye flatulates **

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Beirdo:

just wanted to make sure that they'd work here, my test bot is on a 64-bit box, this is on a 32-bit box

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wastrel:

yup

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Beirdo:

always best to do the occasional testing and all

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laga:

i bet a lot of lifeblood went into the fart plugin

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Beirdo:

heh, not really

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Beirdo:

it was the first plugin too :)

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laga:

shows its importance ;)

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Beirdo:

it's 81 lines long including comments

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

like 20 lines of code if that

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wastrel:

hi

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laga:

61 lines of comments in a fart plugin?!

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Beirdo:

well, a good chunk of that's the LGPL boilerplate comment

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stomy|:

hey all

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stomy|:

myth keeps crashing X whe I start it up

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stomy|:

I just set it up to run n 1080i, is there any chance myth doesn't like this?

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stomy|:

Also, myth's theme i all discolored, as if it were in 256 colors

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laga:

g'night guys

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** xris ponders a vfd for his new mythbox **

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mlehrer:

ack, vfd's are nasty

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mlehrer:

to each his own though

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Nik_Doof:

is the mysql config held in the mysql.txt only?

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Anduin:

Nik_Doof: one of them, yes

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Nik_Doof:

bit strange to have a global mysql.txt and then a per user one...

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Nik_Doof:

turned out thats where my issues were coming from

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Kevorkian:

has mysql changed or something ?

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GreyFoxx:

Nik_Doof: think of the per user one as an override of the global

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GreyFoxx:

so user 1 might want to use 1 dataqbase, use 2 another

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GreyFoxx:

Or for testing you can override the hostname used for settings in the mysql.txt

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GreyFoxx:

so you have have different frontends settings depending on the user running mythfrontend

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Kevorkian:

Oh .. not a confg of mysql .. just the setting that myth uses to talk to mysql

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blinx:

hi

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blinx:

how I can go to the configure dialog of the mythtv-mysql config?

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sphery:

blinx: If I understand your question correctly, upon initial startup, myth programs will prompt you for information about the location of your master backend if the mysql.txt file cannot be found.

[21:47:12]

blinx:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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sphery:

So, you can edit mysql.txt (in /usr{,/local}/{share,etc}/mythtv or ~/.mythtv ) or you can rename the file and see if it will give you the interactive dialog again.

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sphery:

Where is your mythconverg database?

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sphery:

Is it running on localhost or on another machine?

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blinx:

localhost

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sphery:

Then it's a permissions issue. See http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 for a start and also check the MySQL docs ( http://dev.mysql.com/doc/ )

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blinx:

is a mysql db really necessary?

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stuarta:

yes

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xris:

mlehrer: well, the chassis I'm looking at has a vfd option..

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xris:

I'll probably skip it and mount my IR receiver internally..

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GreyFoxx:

new frontend case ?

[21:52:34]

blinx:

2007-06–12 23:52:23.982 New DB connection, total: 1

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blinx:

2007-06–12 23:52:23.986 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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blinx:

the initial db was not found

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xris:

GreyFoxx: yeah. looking at the nmediapc 280ba

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xris:

vfd is easier to read at distance than lcd, though

[21:53:04]

xris:

just not sure what the heck I'd actually USE it for.

[21:53:04]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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mlehrer:

xris: it would rock for a music jukebox

[21:53:17]

mlehrer:

xris: but if you are plugged into a tv, it seems like a waste

[21:53:21]

xris:

mlehrer: yeah. or progress on transcode/recordings/etc

[21:53:28]

mlehrer:

i guess i shouldn't knock it til i try one

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xris:

mlehrer: point is to give status messages while the tv is off.

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GreyFoxx:

xris: I want this one :) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856171001

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blinx:

2007-06–12 23:53:38.793 Connection timed out. You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper IP address.

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blinx:

2007-06–12 23:53:38.792 Connecting to backend server: localhost:6543 (try 1 of 1)

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blinx:

the last one before the other ;-)

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xris:

GreyFoxx: nice. I'll be getting a good deal on a core2duo and board, so I'm sticking with intel.

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stuarta:

note the mention "proper IP address"

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stuarta:

localhost != IP address

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blinx:

stuarta: where I can change that?

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stuarta:

in the setup

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blinx:

ok

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blinx:

why is the mouse deactivated in the setup/frontend?

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stuarta:

so you can use a remote

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blinx:

or better: I guess that the resolution is too bad

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blinx:

where I can set the default resolution?

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RyeBrye:

blinx – from the command line

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RyeBrye:

you can set the geometry

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RyeBrye:

but I forget the flag you set

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blinx:

and how?

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RyeBrye:

mythtv-setup -geometry=640x480 or something like that

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RyeBrye:

maybe minus the =

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RyeBrye:

mythtv-setup -geometry 640x480 should change the resolution

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blinx:

hmm

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RyeBrye:

not working?

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blinx:

no

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RyeBrye:

mythtv-setup --geometry 800x600

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RyeBrye:

maybe it needs two dashes, try that

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blinx:

ah

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RyeBrye:

that work?

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blinx:

yeah

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blinx:

sorry mythtv is not the right thing for me

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blinx:

thx for your help

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RyeBrye:

ok

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fxfitz:

Does anyone have any experience using MythArchive with Ubuntu?? I have everything installed but when I go to Optical Disks>Archive Files>Export Video Files>Create DVD, it says that it "Cannot find the MythArchive directory. Have you set the correct path in the settings?" However, I have no idea where the directory is.

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RyeBrye:

setup

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RyeBrye:

err settings, I think you have to tell it where to put archive files

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fxfitz:

RyeBrye, It looks like the only thing that is missing is the Myth Archive Temp Directory. There is already an address in Myth Archive Share Directory

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fxfitz:

RyeBrye, If I set the temp directory to /tmp, it gives me another message: "No files to archive", but I just finished recording something. :(

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hads:

You need to select the files

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fxfitz:

hads, Ooh. With the "Find Files to Archive"??

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RyeBrye:

you're getting warmer :)

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** RyeBrye hasn't used Mytharchive yet **

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RyeBrye:

Does MythArchive burn video dvds?

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fxfitz:

I believe so.

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RyeBrye:

good

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juski:

I thought it burned bread to make toast! doh

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fxfitz:

:-P

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fxfitz:

It doesn't seem to be working though. It doesn't seem to be doing anything. :(

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juski:

did you put the bread in & pull the lever down?

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juski:

sorry got confuzzled for a sec

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fxfitz:

:(

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RyeBrye:

dunno

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fxfitz:

Aha. I have fixed it. Didn't have the right permissions on the temp folder. The user has to have writable access.

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fxfitz:

Oh, speaking of that, do you think its the user running mythTV or the mythtv user??

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juski:

the user you're running mythfrontend as

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fxfitz:

juski, Thanks

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hads:

Finally got some love from the XMLTV mailman server

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juski:

mm love :)

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hads:

Took about 30 hours for my subscription request to come back to me :|

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

hi guys

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

im trying to play some music from my bk end server but it keeps shuting down, i read that mythshutdowncheck wouold combat this. its not thou

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

im browsing the music using a web broser with ftp

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

like this ftp://user@192.168.1.100/music/

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juski:

AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: you're in the wrong channel

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

ooops

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juski:

oops no you're not – by bad!

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hads:

hah

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juski:

my sincere apologies!

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

we all make mistakes juski

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

dont worry about it

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

did i make sense ?about the bk end turning off

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opello:

what's that nvidia proprietary video stuff that isn't supported called?

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

try google

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opello:

yeah i did ... still looking

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

yeh me too

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a5benwillis:

xvmc

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hads:

purevideo or something

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

im looking for a song , it gose like this "they span a web for me, they span a web for me"

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

i dont know who sings it

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hads:

"they spun a web for me"

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

ok okok

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

found it Cold Play

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juski:

Coldplay – Trouble

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juski:

razor blades not included

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

love this sng

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juski:

a bit melancholy though isn't it? like most British music these days :(

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

dont be daft

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juski:

I'm serious

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juski:

British music is utterly depressing

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

lol its just cold play. the others a fine . i think

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mattwj2005:

good evening room :)

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AMD-ubuntuPOWEo:

juski do you keep you bkend on 24 7

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juski:

yes why wouldn't I?

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