Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 9th, 2007, 01:17 UTC

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Beirdo:

OK... repair table irclog use_frm; worked

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Beirdo:

took 37min

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clever:

lol

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Beirdo:

something seemed to have corrupted the header of the MYI file

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clever:

whats it logging to mysql

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Beirdo:

and the "normal" repair wouldn't fix it

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Beirdo:

Key in wrong position at page 101235712

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clever:

only thing that can corupt my mysql stuff is 0 bytes free causing a write to fail or a impropr shutdown of the server

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Beirdo:

so someone online suggested rebuild from the frm file, which completely regenerates the index file, including the header

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Beirdo:

and it worked

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Beirdo:

yeah, a LONG time ago I got a 0-byte free, but normally a regular repair fixes those

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Beirdo:

not so for THAT table

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Beirdo:

Pain in the butt

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clever:

i mean part of the MYD gets writen but not all

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clever:

causing it to become corupt

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Beirdo:

this was the MYI header that was corrupt

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Beirdo:

not the MYD at all

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

some of my tables are of the memory type

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clever:

less important data

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Beirdo:

we will hit 1.9M rows tonight, BTW

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clever:

and faster

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clever:

lol

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Beirdo:

we are about 250 lines short

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Beirdo:

and rapidly decreasing as we chat

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clever:

!countrysearch clever

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clever:

search starting clever

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clever:

rowcount 1

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clever:

clever (#18) Monarchy Rank: 1689 Networth: 4,717 Land: 100 Tag: ReVeL GDI: 0 time: 2007-06–09 03:18:00 servertime

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clever:

ive fixed the well abused bug of searching for * :P

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clever:

but the n00bs i idle near havent tryed the mysql wildcard

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clever:

they recently figured out that they can get spam by searching for 1 char:P

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clever:

you probly know what the wildcard for mysql is:P

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Beirdo:

blargh!

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Beirdo:

my ISP sucks STILL

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Beirdo:

clever, what was that countrysearch thingy?

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clever:

its got a game i play

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clever:

web based

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Beirdo:

ahh

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Beirdo:

so they are gonna send a techie dummie over on Monday

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clever:

lol

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Beirdo:

8–12 appt

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Beirdo:

so he'll be here at 2

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clever:

my ffmpeg is still having floating point exceptions

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clever:

but i managed to reproduce it with a core dump and symbols

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Beirdo:

!help

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Beirdo:

OK, it's awake

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Beirdo:

gonna run it for a day or so without the rssfeed plugin running, see if there's an apparent leak

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Beirdo:

if not, I'll load it back up, see if it leaks

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Beirdo:

but I think I fixed the leak

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planktonboy:

hi Bierdo

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Beirdo:

hey

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planktonboy:

just watching March of the Penguins

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

the Farce of the Penguins was funny too

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planktonboy:

really interesting movie

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planktonboy:

yeah

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Beirdo:

hmph. where's xris when I need to tell him to update his bot? :)

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planktonboy:

was showing Oceans Deadliest to a friend earlier

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planktonboy:

the film steve erwin died making

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Beirdo:

I guess I'll shoot him an email

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planktonboy:

damn shame that was

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Captain_Murdoch:

anyone here have a Plextor USB capture device?

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Beirdo:

not me

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Captain_Murdoch:

:) thanks. I'm not getting a keyframe map with mine on my dev box and our code in NVR looks like the example code so I'm wondering if others see the same

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planktonboy:

goyya go sleep

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jams:

mine is sitting on the shelf

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planktonboy:

really tired

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planktonboy:

nite bierdo

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Captain_Murdoch:

I picked up one of the tunerless ones to connect to my DishNetwork receiver, but for now I have it on my dev box for testing.

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GreyFoxx:

Weird, it looks like my myth box "skips" the first 3 to 5 seconds of everyvideo at playback start but the OSD shows you as starting at second 0...... but if I tell it to jump back to the start it jumps all the way back to the "proper" starting point

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planktonboy:

nite all

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planktonboy:

:))

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jams:

well turns out you can't bind table names when using placeholders

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jams:

wish i knew that about 40 minutes ago

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, there are some leftover QStrings instead of bindValues in the code because of that.

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jams:

heh you know I was gonna ask you if it was possible, but decided to try and figure it out myself.

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** Captain_Murdoch finds his problem, forgot to delete a var in NVR when he moved it to RecorderBase... **

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Beirdo:

OMG!

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Beirdo:

I just found the athcool package in ubuntu

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Beirdo:

my fileserver's an Athlon 2200+, and the CPU temp was stable at 60C

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Beirdo:

run athcool (which puts the northbridge into powersavings mode if the CPU's idle), and the CPU temp is down to 46C in 10min

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Beirdo:

I wish I had found that eons ago

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Beirdo:

needs acpi, but that's not a problem

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pat__:

sounds like something I should look at

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Beirdo:

nice and stable at 46C

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Beirdo:

apparently some chipsets are prone to crashes with powersavings on though

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pat_:

seems to work for me, I checked the webpage for compatibility with my chipset before I started

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Beirdo:

good good

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Beirdo:

is your CPU running cooler?

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pat_:

dunno, I'm not monitoring the temperature

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

silly :)

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pat_:

I want it to use less power/electricity, don't care how cool it runs

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Beirdo:

well the two are related :)

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pat_:

how do you monitor the temp under ubuntu without having to compile anything?

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Beirdo:

and it would give you an idea of how effective it is, but whatever works ;)

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Beirdo:

apt-get install lm-sensors

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Beirdo:

then sensors-detect

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Beirdo:

then sensors :)

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Beirdo:

works for me anyways

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Beirdo:

some motherboards report the CPU temperature somewhere the tools don't expect, though

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Beirdo:

like for me, the M/B temperature is listed as CPU temperature

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Beirdo:

and the CPU temperature as temperature 3

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Beirdo:

but whatever :)

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pike_:

little dissapointed I cant get a 22 inch 1900x1080 lcd monitor.. always been on crt and was going to make the switch for my HDHomeRun device. you guys recommend lcd or a huge crt?

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Beirdo:

it's fairly obvious... the higher reasonable temperature's the CPU, the lower the motherboard.

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Beirdo:

unless your case is REALLY bad for airflow

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pat_:

hmm, i2c devices

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** pat_ reads some documentation **

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Fnc:

a5benwillis no led.. got and lcd panel

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Fnc:

pike how you like that hdhomerun?

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pike_:

well it hasnt got here yet :-) but ive heard good things so im looking forward to it. itll be my first look at mythtv and such

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Fnc:

pike: id say go for a westinghouse 1080p

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Fnc:

myth can be difficult, but if you work at it.. its quickt night

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pike_:

wanted something for gaming/tv

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Fnc:

er guite nice

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Fnc:

pike.. its really a huge monitor

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pike_:

good god just googled it

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Fnc:

actually they make a 24 inche 1920x1200 lcd

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pike_:

yeah i was looking at the 22 inch acers or something around 300

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Fnc:

bit these are what i was talking about... the 42 in version

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Fnc:

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/1080p_tour.html

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Fnc:

2 dvi's and a 15pin monitor

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Fnc:

umong others

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pike_:

response time fast enough for gaming ya think?

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Fnc:

i think so

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Fnc:

their regular monitors are 5ms

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Fnc:

of course im not a gamer so i could help much

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Beirdo:

oh neat. one of my AMD64 boxes has a working temperature sensor in the chipset

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Beirdo:

no, both of em do

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Beirdo:

that's neat

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Beirdo:

k8temp-pci-00c3

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Beirdo:

Adapter: PCI adapter

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Beirdo:

Core0 Temp:

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Beirdo:

+50C

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Beirdo:

don't remember seeing that before

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pat_:

ok, currently it is running at 34 (chipset) and 31 (cpu) with athcool on

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fadumpt:

sorry to come asking again, but I tried a few more suggestions and still have an empty program guide....am I at the point where I need to just reinstall and hope for the best next time?

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Beirdo:

what CPU?

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fadumpt:

(i didn't install this one hooked up to the TV card)

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fadumpt:

like tv card hooked up to cable i mean

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pat_:

2400+

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Beirdo:

running at 31C? That sounds a bit doubtful to me

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pat_:

shrug, I'll compare it with what I get in a few minutes

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Beirdo:

that's barely above room temp

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pat_:

it's about 17 degrees here at the moment

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Beirdo:

oh right, you have winter

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Beirdo:

hehe

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fadumpt:

lol

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Beirdo:

if it EVER gets that cold here, I'd be happy

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pat_:

anyway, they've changed to 42/31 now

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pat_:

so the 31 is suspect, but the other is probably near the money

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Fnc:

pike: here ya go.. send me the difference... http://www.amazon.com/Westinghouse-LCM-22W3-M . . . 8&sr=1-1

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Beirdo:

OK, I'd say the 31 might be the motherboard

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pat_:

I declare athcool to work for me

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Beirdo:

and the other the CPU

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Beirdo:

but it does seem to run cooler, which means less electricity wasted :)

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pat_:

which is what I'm after

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Beirdo:

aye :)

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Beirdo:

I want both

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Beirdo:

the temperature here's rarely much below 30C outside, so I have a much more likely overheating problem :)

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pat_:

now I need my backup server to use wake on lan, and power up before the backups are written to it and then power off again

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Beirdo:

hehe :)

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pat_:

shouldn't be too hard, but I'd need to upgrade it to an atx board for that

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pat_:

up to 44 now

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Beirdo:

not surprised

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Beirdo:

as I said, my 2200+ idled at 60C here

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Beirdo:

some of that's based on room temp though

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Beirdo:

it idled at 50C when I was in Toronto

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pat_:

oh well, I'm sold (up to 46 now) I think I'll keep using athcool

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

it does seem to be effective :)

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Beirdo:

as long as there aren't weird side-effects, I'm stickin with it

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Beirdo:

anyways, bedtime

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pat_:

nanite

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fadumpt:

okay, screw the program guide for now, where do I look on the internet to adjust my sound output so speech is as understandable as the music in a show

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pike_:

i dont care what you guys say ill be happy with my 22 inch monitor :)

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fadumpt:

what's wrong with a 22 inch monitor?

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pat_:

I'm happy with my 24" widescreen sgi crt monitor

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pike_:

i was complaining about not having 1900x1080 resolution on the 22 inch monitors im looking at. but for the price i cant really beat it

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Fnc:

pike did you see the last link i sent?

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pike_:

Fnc, yeah thats 1680x1050 though.

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clop:

that's my resolution !

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clop:

you can't have it because i have a patent lolol

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pike_:

ive never really had a nice monitor im assuming the hdtv picture is still pretty nice at that res

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** pike_ tries to decide between glossy and nonglossy screen **

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fadumpt:

glossy for movie watching

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fadumpt:

nonglossy for outside goodness

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pike_:

well.. i dont think ill be lugging it outside so glossy it is :)

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purserj:

hmm, how does Myth handle genre settings for DVB

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fadumpt:

what's a good howto on audio issues? most of the time speech sucks, and it gets louder and softer as it pleases

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hads:

purserj: genre setting for DVB?

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purserj:

yeah, I'm getting movies set as Game Show

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purserj:

I'm looking for where myths digital epg reader has its genre settings stored

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hads:

Depends on the listings you are using. Are you using EIT?

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purserj:

yeah

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hads:

Whatever you are using, it'll be the source that's wrong.

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purserj:

I'm testing to make sure a script I wrote for my former employer is working correctly

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purserj:

hmm I need a set top box to compare against

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purserj:

hads where in Aus are you?

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hads:

In NZ actually.

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purserj:

ah was confuzzled by your whois

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hads:

Yeah, just IRCing from my server over there.

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hads:

purserj: Are you in NZ or AU?

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purserj:

hmm, see I do work for a regional TV network over here, involved with pumping out the EPGs and such. I know the data we're pumping out has most shows set as "Entertainment", however they're showing up in Myth as "Show/game Show" so I wanted to compare myths genre settings with the Aus standard

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purserj:

Aus

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hads:

Ah, you'll kknow way more than me then :) I don't use EIT but I do have a script which grabs the EPG from DVB and I know that Freeview in NZ isn't categorised properly.

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purserj:

hads: heh, I took great care in making sure the shows were catagorised properly. At the moment, the only ones doing what my former employer is doing are the ABC

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hads:

purserj: I've read through a bit of the code whilst making this grabber but don't think I know enough to be of any help to you.

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purserj:

thanks anyway

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hads:

There is some eit stuff in libs/libmythtv

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purserj:

thanks, I'll have a look in there

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purserj:

the db isn't being super helpful

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juski:

purserj: of course it might not have occurred to you that the monkeys who make the EIT data where you live might not be paying enough attention. in the UK most shows end up in the show/game show category through what I put down to sheer laziness on their part, not something in mythtv ;)

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purserj:

juski: I am that monkey

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hads:

heh

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juski:

you are? lol

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hads:

juski: It's far too early for you to be around.

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juski:

so you'd be the 'horse's mouth' when it comes to knowing what genre stuff should be. nice :)

[05:13:48]

juski:

hads: nah. there's theming to be done!

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purserj:

juski: heh in Aus anyway

[05:14:42]

juski:

so I take it that the EIT situation is improving in Aus then? or is going to?

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purserj:

It is for the Network I contract back to

[05:15:02]

purserj:

their going to go 7 day rolling soon

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juski:

wooo! congrats!! about bloody time!

[05:16:20]

purserj:

yeah, the metro networks are spitting about it

[05:16:29]

purserj:

they do NOT want that sort of info out there

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juski:

hahaha

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purserj:

don't laugh, there's a move to encrypt EIT data

[05:17:13]

juski:

what?!

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hads:

It's not great over there, I was visiting my Father the other day and even his Sky box didn't have EPG for some channels as the networks wouldn't make a deal with them.

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juski:

so you have to PAY for EPG data?

[05:17:45]

purserj:

juski: not sure about the model, but you'd need a key to view them

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juski:

ffs that's evil

[05:18:15]

juski:

here was I thinking the Aussies were more laid back when it came to everything apart from immigration ;)

[05:18:33]

purserj:

especially as people have already bought settop boxes, and they will have to buy new ones

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cesman:

juski: when it comes to DRM/DMCA, the Aussies have taken a page out of the US's handbook :(

[05:19:15]

juski:

see, oh naeive peeps, this is exactly the kind of reason why I'm not having wet dreams about IPTV

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hads:

I'm just happy we can pull data from the Sky DVB feed over here.

[05:19:38]

hads:

Hopefully it lasts

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juski:

one of the things they're keeping schtum about in the UK is how FM radio is gonna be going off the air in less than 10 years – oh and by the way that digital radio you bought today – useless in 5 years! Useless! We're changing to mpeg4 audio – didn't anybody tell you? Oh dear. Buy a new one when they come out in the shops :)

[05:21:29]

juski:

there'll be an outcry by the time it's too late

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pike_:

hadees, dont you have to pay a tax on any tv devices?

[05:21:56]

juski:

cesman: ProjectGrayhem-wide is updated btw :)

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cesman:

ok

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cesman:

I'll grab it

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juski:

there's an online petition to hassle the UK govt to legislate for a free EPG to all viewers. Complete & utter rot. There are kids being malnourished/abused in this country.. put an end to that first ffs

[05:24:52]

juski:

cesman: projectgrayhem was updated the other day – I dunno if you grabbed it. anyway..

[05:26:14]

cesman:

yes, I grabbed both of them the other day

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juski:

i think that's it for the grayhems for now. I blimmin hope so

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hads:

purserj: libs/libmythtv/mpeg/dvbdescriptors.cpp

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purserj:

hads: thanks

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hads:

No worries, finally found it :)

[05:35:57]

purserj:

I'll have a look and see if there's a way to specify a genre table depending on location

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hads:

Isn't that standard DVB stuff?

[05:37:05]

purserj:

Yeah but Aus has its own standard based off DVB

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hads:

Oh Ug.

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purserj:

so the actual values might be different

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Sid`:

purserj: huh? DVB is DVB...

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Sid`:

at least, AU DVB is real DVB

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purserj:

Sid`: let me check something

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juski:

purserj: those'd be called EIT fixups ;)

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hads:

Yeah true.

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purserj:

Ah I see what the issue is

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purserj:

0x30 == Show/Game Show where in Aus 0x30 == Entertainment

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juski:

purserj: I suspect that might be the case in the UK too

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juski:

but I've not got a STB to check against

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purserj:

yeah, my father in law has one, but right now I couldn't be bothered going over there to check

[05:46:22]

juski:

there we go.. screenshots uploaded to my webshite now

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juski:

I love this new theme feeling. crispy & shiny. can't stop looking at them

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** purserj pulls from svn so he can build a patch against current codeset **

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juski:

oh god not more new tickets! the pile just keeps growing

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juski:

;)

[05:52:02]

juski:

well at least yours will be the best sort of ticket :)

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purserj:

one with a solution?

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juski:

that's it

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juski:

purserj: what does the DVB standards doc say about 0x30 ?

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purserj:

I'm just trying to find my copy of the doc

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juski:

just thinking it might have to be a country-based fix

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purserj:

yeah thats what I'm thinking

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purserj:

hmm, I'll have to grab a new copy, mine seems to have been lost a machine format or two ago

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juski:

etsi.org ftw!

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juski:

ETSI EN 300 468 V1.7.1

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juski:

the standard says 0x30 is show/gameshow

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juski:

but there isn't a general 'entertainment' category

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hads:

Oops, undefined symbol: _ZN18ConfigurationGroup6byNameE7QString

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purserj:

hmm, must be australian specific

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juski:

I love reading documents like this. I'm such a geek & I love it

[06:08:11]

juski:

purserj: prolly a UK thing too

[06:08:16]

purserj:

juski: yeah

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juski:

there are way more categories than I thought there'd be

[06:09:09]

juski:

and I like how they've left more than enough headroom in the descriptors for future use

[06:09:19]

purserj:

yeah for us, 0x30 is "Entertainment"

[06:09:40]

purserj:

just confirmed it in the code I had written as part of the EPG generation system

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juski:

how do you find out country specific stuff?

[06:09:53]

purserj:

asking everyone?

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juski:

lol

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purserj:

I suppose you could ask the DVB guys

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juski:

I mean I've got the book in front of me, but who determines local variations?

[06:10:46]

purserj:

the local standards bodies

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hads:

Random people, that's the problem :)

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juski:

there isn't really a UK DVB standards body

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purserj:

juski: its probably the TV networks by agreement

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juski:

I mean most stuff tagged as show/gameshow could be renamed by me as 'utter tripe' :)

[06:12:18]

purserj:

well yeah

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purserj:

but "Entertainment" fits better

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juski:

this I really like the sound of.. "The RST (see table 10) allows accurate and rapid updating of the timing status of one or more events. This may be

[06:15:51]

juski:

necessary when an event starts early or late due to scheduling changes. The use of a separate table enables fast updating

[06:15:54]

juski:

mechanism to be achieved."

[06:16:24]

juski:

myth is – or is going to – support that :)

[06:17:11]

purserj:

ah but are the networks going to?

[06:17:40]

juski:

in the UK they already are :)

[06:18:02]

juski:

Freeview Playback – the mechanism for more reliable PVR recording

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juski:

they're about to start marketing PVRs which make use of it & now the networks are on board

[06:18:28]

purserj:

yeah but here the networks are scared crapless of PVRs

[06:18:35]

juski:

not here

[06:19:21]

juski:

I could see the commercial networks obfurcating the data, but who gives a fig about them anyway? ooo no I missed Pop Idol :-Z

[06:19:39]

hadees:

how long does mytharchive usually take to transcode 4 half hour mpeg2 recordings to a 2 hour DVD?

[06:19:53]

juski:

hadees: how long is a piece of string?

[06:20:15]

juski:

depends if you're transcoding, changing resolution.. etc

[06:20:36]

juski:

I get about realtime on my system.. 2ghz athlon xp

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juski:

oops. 2000XP not 2ghz

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pat_:

what's the script name to create symlinks to recordings with human readable names?

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hadees:

juski, what about the default settings, i just got mytharchive working on my remote frontend using nfs, i am trying to compare the speed to how mytharchive was supposed to run on the frontend that is on backend

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juski:

hadees: default settings? no idea.

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juski:

pat_: mythrename.pl

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juski:

usage to make symlinks is mythrename.pl --link $linkdir

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purserj:

right ticket submitted

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purserj:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3587

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juski:

I know :)

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juski:

so.. anybody know anything about getting projectM/libvisual going with mythmusic from trunk ?

[06:30:27]

juski:

oh wait.. got libvisual visuals in my list now just not projectM. hmm

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juski:

spectaclear crash!

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juski:

aww this is a bit disappointing

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juski:

libvisual is lacklustre at 1280x720 on my athlon 800

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juski:

will try at 720x576 see if it's much better

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sphery:

juski: It was crashing a lot for me, too.

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sphery:

But, performance was good at 1920x1080 on my Athlon X2 4800... :)

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juski:

bleh

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sphery:

(at least good performance until it crashes)

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juski:

say one thing about the visuals before libvisual came along – they were cack but never crashy

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sphery:

true

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juski:

but HOW cack!

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juski:

they use a lot more cpu than the gl screensavers.. no idea why that is

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sphery:

I know Chutt wasn't too enamoured with the idea of adding the libvisual stuff to MythMusic. Once I saw it (and saw it crashing a lot), I liked his approach better--bring in our own "ports" of worthwhile visuals...

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juski:

so port projectM :)

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juski:

that might be a bit like 'just cure world poverty' though

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sphery:

AIUI, his approach was more, "port (i.e. mainly "im"port) those visuals from projectM that are worthwhile so that we can ensure the code is well tested and stable in Myth.

[07:02:54]

sphery:

Basically like we do with ffmpeg.

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juski:

hmm

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juski:

is there any way to verify the visuals are actually using hardware gl ?

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Dagmar:

Oh yeah and THAT clearly works SO well

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juski:

I'm not sure they should be this slow

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sphery:

Dagmar: Well, if people have problems properly installing/configuring MySQL and LIRC (and blame Myth for it), imagine if ffmpeg--with all it's switches, compile options, and quirks when compiling with optimization--were left to the user...

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sphery:

juski: I don't know. I only installed libvisual/projectM on my machine just before they were added to MythMusic. Never actually played with any of it (other than seeing 4 or 5 visuals in MM, complete with 4 or 5 crashes :).

[07:06:34]

juski:

nastyfft.. is nasty. crashy

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Dagmar:

The visualizer really shouldn't be able to crash mythmusic

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juski:

that's may be, but doesn't alter the fact it does

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Dagmar:

I mean, architecturally it shouldn't be able to

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Dagmar:

XScreenSaver is a good example of how to avoid that

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Dagmar:

The hacks are run as their own, standalone processes.

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Dagmar:

There's no reason Myth can't do the same thing.

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Dagmar:

Then, if the visualizer crashes, it won't take the whole bloody interface with it

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hads:

encoding=locale.getlocale()[1]

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hads:

erm, excuse me

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juski:

Dagmar: FYI .... volume_display_timer = new QTimer(this);

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juski:

volume_display_timer->start(2000);

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juski:

I think that could be taken out but will it break any themes? :-O

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samesame:

does anybody here use centos + mythtv?

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Dagmar:

Heheh

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purserj:

nope sorry, gentoo here

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

anyone have a recommendation for what game emulator to use with mythgame

[10:09:46]

planktonboy:

Ive tried xmame but was wondering if there was something else that is more popular

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juski:

why go with something more popular?

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planktonboy:

hi juski, well, something with a bit better graphics

[10:12:37]

planktonboy:

not so much more popular, but see whaqt other were using

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planktonboy:

damn am I hungover this morning

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juski:

xmame looked great last time I saw it..

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planktonboy:

yeah xmame works well

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planktonboy:

and easy to set up, but the games are quite retro

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planktonboy:

just wondering ifd there was any other emu that was more up to date

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juski:

that's the whole point innit? ;)

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planktonboy:

was never very much into games

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juski:

retro gaming!

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planktonboy:

juski, true I guess

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juski:

there's an N64 emulator somewhere

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planktonboy:

the old pac man

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planktonboy:

ah

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juski:

sega megadrive, all that

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juski:

you need to own the original games of course

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planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

I used to have a megadrive actually so that miight be the way to go if I can find my old roms

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juski:

I think there's even a linux PS1 emulator

[10:16:05]

juski:

and PS2!

[10:16:07]

planktonboy:

ah

[10:16:11]

planktonboy:

yeah

[10:16:15]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but it runs like crap

[10:16:26]

juski:

EnotenoughMhz

[10:16:30]

Dagmar:

...or at least, I have yet to get FFT to run smoothly on it

[10:16:34]

planktonboy:

hi Dagmar

[10:16:48]

juski:

Dagmar: see the comment about the vol. popup?

[10:16:50]

Dagmar:

I think an X2 3800 should be pretty much immune to that one

[10:17:06]

Dagmar:

How far back do I need to scroll?

[10:17:25]

juski:

Dagmar: FYI .... volume_display_timer = new QTimer(this);

[10:17:34]

juski:

volume_display_timer->start(2000);

[10:17:39]

Dagmar:

Ah...

[10:17:43]

juski:

in playbackbox.cpp

[10:17:48]

samesame:

Dagmar told me that the more processes u have running on your mythbox the more chance of skipping frames, do plugins act as extra processes?

[10:17:53]

planktonboy:

ok..thanks for advice

[10:18:02]

juski:

samesame: nope

[10:18:06]

Dagmar:

samesame: Only if you find some way to run them all at once

[10:18:14]

samesame:

ok

[10:18:22]

juski:

plugins don't run til you run em.. they can't (yet) do stuff in the background

[10:18:29]

Dagmar:

Anything _running_ is a process (usually)

[10:18:39]

samesame:

but mythbackend is recording in the background?

[10:18:47]

Dagmar:

Like juski says, those plugins aren't run until/unless/except-while you're using htem

[10:18:53]

juski:

yeah but that's not a plugin is it

[10:19:02]

Dagmar:

Yes. Mythbackend is a separate process from the frontend and it's friends

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Dagmar:

juski: Do you ahve any idea why the items in the list for timestrecth are the ones they are?

[10:29:10]

juski:

Dagmar: because someone thought they might be ok & nobody would argue? ;)

[10:29:41]

juski:

I don't see any argument against making a 75% entry

[10:30:26]

Dagmar:

juski: yeah, I was trying to make sure I wasn't about to trod on someone's pet choices

[10:30:45]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure there's any decent way of smoothing the sound adjustment tho

[10:30:50]

Dagmar:

I can hear sawtoothing in it

[10:31:09]

Dagmar:

The sample size could be turned down, but that would jack up CPU time proportionally

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juski:

maybe libsoundtouch has been improved lately

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Dagmar:

Kind of the biter is that it's (by the sound of it) repeating short chunks of sound iteratively to accomplish the stretching without pitch shifting, but...

[10:43:29]

Dagmar:

mp3 playback, if it were assuming it'll be mp3 is basically generating new waveforms based on the samples taken before, so they can really be pitch shifted just fine within the mp3 player

[10:44:42]

juski:

libsoundtouch is trying to do realtime fft on tiny chunks of audio.. playing at a diff. speed & shifting the pitch of the audio at the same time.. kinda

[10:44:52]

Dagmar:

Yeah, which isn't necessary with mp3.

[10:44:58]

Dagmar:

I don't know about AAC and some of the other sound codecs

[10:45:40]

juski:

mpeg1 layer2 in the case of dvb & ivtv recordings

[10:45:46]

Dagmar:

With plain WAV format, you're kinda stuck with having to do that

[10:46:07]

juski:

I think it's a one-size fits all approach

[10:46:13]

Dagmar:

Oh that it is for sure

[10:46:21]

juski:

it gets decoded, then they operate on the output of the decoder

[10:46:46]

Dagmar:

It's a shame we can't go one step further and shift he playback speed by +/- 5% based on the pitch of the output

[10:47:00]

Dagmar:

It would make everyone sound like a _sincere_ drunk, instead of just a drunk.

[10:47:33]

Dagmar:

Watching CNN at 50% is hilaruous

[10:47:38]

Dagmar:

er hilarious

[10:56:25]

anykey__:

Someone's using DVB-T here? Does the channel scanner work for you? Mine says it failed to open the card..

[10:59:11]

juski:

anykey__: the user you run mythtv-setup as has to be privileged to use the card

[10:59:28]

anykey__:

juski: it is

[10:59:29]

juski:

oh and you need to stop mythbackend and any other apps which might be using it too

[11:00:03]

anykey__:

juski: it finds the card in the capture cards setup screen, but with the channel scanner it says "failed to open card" (no video-sources nor scan methods can be selected)

[11:00:11]

anykey__:

juski: nothing is using it actually, I checked with lsof

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laga:

anykey__: dont forget to post the device tree messages

[11:01:20]

anykey__:

ah yes

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anykey__:

when I try to scan I get the following on the console: DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1

[11:02:28]

juski:

that's exactly that – a warning. not an error

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anykey__:

ok

[11:02:47]

juski:

does kaffeine work?

[11:02:50]

anykey__:

yes

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juski:

it's not a stupid hybrid card is it?

[11:03:22]

anykey__:

no, it's a WinTV Nova-T Stick

[11:03:25]

juski:

they're up there with framegrabbers IMHO

[11:03:36]

juski:

dunno then

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anykey__:

hm ok

[11:03:51]

juski:

if kaffeine works, mythtv-setup should work with it

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anykey__:

ah, well, I think I found the problem. It's getting an empty result from mysql because it searches for a capturecard with type = FREEBOX...

[11:07:23]

anykey__:

but why?

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Dagmar:

It's pretty obvious, actually.

[11:08:02]

Dagmar:

God hates you.

[11:08:05]

juski:

because you didn't tell it the right kind of capture card?

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anykey__:

juski: I did, it's set to DVB

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juski:

there's more than one type of dvb tuner

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anykey__:

juski: it's set to DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)

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juski:

oh

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Dagmar:

Shucks. That sounds rather reasonable, and here I was digging through source and notes because he's actually looked into the problem somewhat

[11:09:39]

Dagmar:

Did you ever potentially misconfigure it before?

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anykey__:

Dagmar: i just started from a fresh database

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anykey__:

(I'm using SVN, if that matters)

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Dagmar:

Hmm... okay so much for that then

[11:10:17]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty much out of ideas, aside from the useless "I blame SVN"

[11:10:36]

Dagmar:

Maybe log all the queries and see where it's gettinng the idea there's a freeview card involved

[11:10:41]

anykey__:

if I change the card type to FREEBOX in the database, I can select the videosource on the channel scanner...

[11:11:01]

anykey__:

Dagmar: I don't know, because the previous query (where it searches for the cardtype) returns DVB...

[11:11:31]

juski:

hahaha I forgot I had a pvr2000 in my dustbin box

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Dagmar:

anykey__: okay, that would pretty strongly indicate a bug

[11:12:16]

** Dagmar quietly rm's the new binaries of SVN head he built earlier tonight **

[11:12:31]

anykey__:

Dagmar: yeah...

[11:12:40]

anykey__:

where is the channel scanner?

[11:13:05]

Dagmar:

I actually never use it so I dunno

[11:13:06]

** laga curses his ISP **

[11:13:13]

Dagmar:

Thankfully, I populate my stuff from Zap2it

[11:13:13]

laga:

looks like the tubes are clogged

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juski:

hmm. me hungy. me eat somefink

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Dagmar:

...which reminds me. I need to donate another mouseclick to zap2it

[11:15:30]

Dagmar:

Done.

[11:15:41]

Dagmar:

Still no survey questions.. I guess they figure they've got me pretty much pegged.

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planktonboy:

does mythweb video player have a limit to the size of the files it can play

[11:33:39]

Dagmar:

Four hundred seventy-nine kajillibytes.

[11:34:04]

Dagmar:

Give or take seven K.

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planktonboy:

I have some recordings on my system and they are identical in every way except most are just under 2GB but the ones that cant play are over 2GB

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Dagmar:

What kind of filesystem are they on?

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planktonboy:

jfs

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planktonboy:

its strange

[11:34:46]

Dagmar:

Hmm... This might be a PHP issue, but I can't be sure.

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planktonboy:

Dagmar, yeah..I think I'll have a look in mythweb video script just to see if I can figure it out

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Dagmar:

2Gb is exactly where a program without LARGE_FILE support would fail... :/

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planktonboy:

ah that could be it

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planktonboy:

any way to activate large file support in ubuntu

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Dagmar:

Shutk: Okay, so we know you're running a 2.4.x kernel... what exactly is the problem?

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planktonboy:

I'll do a googfle search

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Dagmar:

erk... wrong channel.

[11:36:19]

planktonboy:

yeah :0 no worries

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Dagmar:

planktonboy: Google could probably turn that up fairly quickly. I could have sworn xris is usually on about this time tho

[11:36:26]

planktonboy:

thanks though Dagmar

[11:36:33]

Dagmar:

He'd probably know off the top of his head

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planktonboy:

ok..will check it on google and then report back to xris if I find anything useful :)

[11:36:57]

planktonboy:

sure

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planktonboy:

Dagmar, thanks mate :)

[11:37:39]

Dagmar:

Oh hello... Google "mythweb 2gb problem"

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Dagmar:

Seems like it's an Apache issue

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planktonboy:

Dagmar ok thanks

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planktonboy:

will have a look at that

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FunkyELF:

any of you guys experience mythfrontend resetting alsa volume levels? Every time I jump ahead in a recording it changes the levels

[13:09:03]

Dagmar:

Shoot those binaries.

[13:09:53]

Dagmar:

..and by "those binaries" I mean wipe the machine and install a distro that isn't insane.

[13:13:27]

planktonboy:

Dagmar, while I remember, do you know anything about dts

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planktonboy:

when I compiled myth under both edgy and feisty doing the ./configure alsways says dts not enabled

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planktonboy:

I read somewhere that it was a bug in the naming of libdts files, but that didnt seem to work for me

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laga:

darn. LCD TV sets seem to be cheaper than CRT sets these days. :(

[13:25:53]

Dagmar:

planktonboy: I'd really have to replicate you devel environment to comment on that

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Dagmar:

laga: That's mainly because they don't weigh a thing compared to a CRT

[13:26:13]

Dagmar:

...plus they're smaller.

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Dagmar:

You can put _many_ more of them on one truck

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laga:

hm

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laga:

true

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laga:

i was going to get myself a nice 16:9 100Hz CRT, but it might as well be a cheap 30" LCD one

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Dagmar:

...and shipping costs (in the US at any rate) are based on tare (i.e., entirely based on weight) rates, that translates into a direct weight-to-price ratio

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knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: have you got libdca installed?

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planktonboy:

knowledgejunkie will take a look

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knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: that provides the DTS headers

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planktonboy:

no mention of libdca in edgy or feisty

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juski:

planktonboy: course not. software patent issues

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

right

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** laga is uberhappy to have be able to have working CI/CAM support **

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sebrock:

a graphics card is not needed in the backend is it?

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Dagmar:

Not unless you intend to run a frontend on it

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sebrock:

No just fileserver / backend

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Dagmar:

Read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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sebrock:

tnx

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juski:

sebrock: but you will have to run X on the backend somehow

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juski:

even if you're only going to forward it to another box

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Dagmar:

what?

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Dagmar:

X isn't necessary on the backend

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juski:

how so?

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sebrock:

might be easier for configuration

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Dagmar:

I mean, since Qt is involved it needs to be installed, but you do *not* have to actually use X

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sebrock:

but when thats done X is not needed I guess

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juski:

mythtv-setup kinda needs X

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Dagmar:

A display can be exported with SSH tunneling without X running on the local host at all.

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Dagmar:

er remote host... backend

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juski:

ah. didn't realise that

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sebrock:

which mode does not start X?

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Dagmar:

All the X apps care about is that there's a display they can connect to _somewhere_

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sebrock:

ie just boot everything up

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knowledgejunkie:

sebrock: 3

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sebrock:

thnx

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Dagmar:

juski: You never noticed that the backend is started way before entering a graphical runlevel?

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Dagmar:

I'm still starting my frontend manually most of the time

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juski:

did I say mythbackend? I didn't. I meant mythtv-setup needs some kind of X connection

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knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: if you want libdca (and it's legal where you live) you can get it from http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/lib . . . 0.0.2.tar.gz

[13:38:31]

Dagmar:

I kinda still think mythtv-setup should just be an ncurses app

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Dagmar:

For what it does one could probably hack it together with a shell script and dialog.

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sebrock:

can't wait to get my PVR-500 now and finally get the real backend frontend stuff working

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sebrock:

Only problem left is getting a router that can handle 100/100 mbit

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planktonboy:

knowledgejunkie thanks...yeah I was just reading up on it but wondering if its worth installing...i.e. if I need it

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Dagmar:

100/100?

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sebrock:

yeah, got a 100/100 WAN connection

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sebrock:

well, wanna have Gbit local that is

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knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: Do you have any DTS discs?

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Dagmar:

Don't you mean 100/1000?

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planktonboy:

dont think so...will have to check

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sebrock:

yes, but I got 100/100 to ISP

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Dagmar:

Well, 100/100 would imply it's just Fast Ethernet.

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Aquahallic:

I just did a clean install of mythtv and when running mythfrontend it comes up and I get no icons.. just the background... my mythfrontend log has this... anyone seen this before???.........http://www.pastebin.ca/552823

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Dagmar:

sebrock: Fiber connection?

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sebrock:

thats where the real problem lies, getting a good throughput to the net

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planktonboy:

I thought dts was to do with sending a digital signal out of myth into an external amplifier

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sebrock:

Dagmar , yes

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Dagmar:

Ah

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sebrock:

as of this week

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sebrock:

:d

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planktonboy:

basically that is what I want to

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Dagmar:

Okay, well, there are not many gigabit routers for anything approaching cheap yet, but 100base-T routers you should be able to obtain quite easily

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Dagmar:

...and if nothing else you can build one for pretty damn cheap

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Aquahallic:

has lots of qt errors....:/ and I just reinstalled qt-3

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sebrock:

Dagmar, you sure? I just read some review; throughput beening ~20mbit

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sebrock:

and that sux

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Dagmar:

Throughput being ~20mbit on what?

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sebrock:

on a 100mbit wired router

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Dagmar:

I can punt packets through my firewall at pretty close to wire speeds

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sebrock:

best I saw had 88

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sebrock:

you got a monowall?

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Dagmar:

Huh? No. I just know how to build Linux machines into useful equipment.

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sebrock:

I just want a consumer priced router

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sebrock:

time is money :D

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planktonboy:

so if I want to send a digital signal out of the mythtv pc to an external hi fi system then what do I need to do, and presumably I will need a card with spdif out or something like that

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sebrock:

food

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laga:

there is a tremendous amount of *crap* available over digital cable. "the poker channel". ffs.

[13:44:46]

Dagmar:

sebrock: Linksys RV042 should be able to do it

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Dagmar:

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_ . . . 161822279B02

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Dagmar:

...although with it costing nearly $200 you might be better off just picking up a used PII machine with about 128Mb of RAM in it and stick a couple of 3Com PCI cards in it

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Dagmar:

Packet tossing is *easy*

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sebrock:

Dagmar, tnx gonna check it out

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Dagmar:

My service firewall is a 400Mhz celery, but I suspect anything around 250Mhz or higher should be able to keep up without excessive tweaking being required

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Dagmar:

...and as far as Time is Money is concerned, I've definitely been at this for so long it takes me like 30 minutes to set that up

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sebrock:

been using Netgear so far. Linksys any good?

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Dagmar:

...and that would include installing Slackware

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Dagmar:

Linksys seems okay to me

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Dagmar:

3Com bought them out, so that should at least vouch for their viability a little bit

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Dagmar:

Just _pay close attention_ to the spec sheets on whatever you buy

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Dagmar:

There are _several_ models of home routers out there with a 4-port 10/100 switch built into them, and only a 10base-T uplink

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knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: either a motherboard or a sound card with S/PDIF

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laga:

Dagmar: wasn't linksys bought by cisco?

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Dagmar:

Ooof yeah

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Dagmar:

I've been at work for long enough to start frying my brain a bit now

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juski:

my brain is toast. been bobbing between themes & source & themes & source all day so far

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** laga hugs his new DVB card **

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laga:

400G free space and their full cable plan for free for the rest of the month.

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laga:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe Pr0n!

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laga:

GreyFoxx: the real stuff is pay-pre-view :(

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laga:

s/pre/per/

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juski:

pay perv view

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planktonboy:

knowledgejunkie thanks mate

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laga:

juski: heh

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planktonboy:

will sort that out later on..yeah I have spdif out on both machines, so will check that out

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knowledgejunkie:

planktonboy: if you want to go with SPDIF, read and then re-read the digital sound HOWTO on the MythTV wiki to see how to get it working

[13:53:48]

planktonboy:

will do

[13:53:52]

planktonboy:

thanks again

[13:54:07]

laga:

that's great. when i choose to record somethin in mythweb, it doesn't stick. it gets reset to "don't record" when i visit that page again

[13:54:38]

planktonboy:

just need to get the hifi system now

[13:55:06]

juski:

laga: are you sure? my mythweb says that but stuff gets recorded

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juski:

the button is confusing IMHO

[13:55:23]

laga:

juski: trunk?

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juski:

laga: yeah

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laga:

interesting

[13:56:36]

laga:

maybe i need to svn up, i'm running different versions of mythtv and mythweb

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juski:

laga: I just clicked on a programme to record, it's in upcoming, yet the MythTV status link on the page I changed the rec schedule on says 'never record'

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juski:

if you hover over it is says "Falsify a previous recording of this show so that it won't record."

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laga:

juski: mine are not in upcoming and i don't get any icons indicating a recording schedule in the EPG of mythweb

[13:58:25]

knowledgejunkie:

laga: you prob have the bad video source config then

[13:58:32]

laga:

true

[13:58:57]

laga:

i manually fiddled in the DB to use two video sources with one card. AFAIk, janne told me it'd work

[13:59:40]

planktonboy:

going to get one for my mother too, so will have a look at whats around

[14:00:24]

knowledgejunkie:

laga: if you successfully schedule a program, the 'MythTV status' entry on the programme detail page should update to 'This showing will be recorded' and show the 'Never Record' option

[14:01:27]

knowledgejunkie:

laga: do all channels that you want to work on the card's input have the same videosouceid?

[14:01:53]

laga:

no. one video source is my 'premium' cable content, another video source is the FTA stuff.

[14:02:23]

laga:

heh

[14:02:26]

laga:

i give up.

[14:02:53]

laga:

just looked at the DB and the video source is not connected to this card. when i put in "1,3" in the sourceid column, it truncated it to "1"

[14:03:10]

laga:

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knowledgejunkie:

laga: each card input can only be associated with one video source

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laga:

knowledgejunkie: there's got to be a trick. janneg does it too, AFAIK. i'll have to ask him when he returns

[14:04:04]

laga:

yay, now it's working

[14:04:15]

laga:

thanks for your help :)

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knowledgejunkie:

laga: what you *can* have is channels on the same video source getting their listings from different sources

[14:05:59]

laga:

knowledgejunkie: by using the same xmltv id?

[14:07:04]

knowledgejunkie:

laga: that depends on if you are using XMLTV for listings :)

[14:07:12]

laga:

heh

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knowledgejunkie:

laga: I use a mixture of XMLTV and EIT data from DVB

[14:07:19]

laga:

i don't care much about listings right now

[14:07:26]

laga:

knowledgejunkie: same here. xmltv for my PVRs

[14:08:08]

knowledgejunkie:

laga: I only use EIT for radio channels – as the XMLTV data is superior for the TV channels it covers

[14:09:09]

laga:

knowledgejunkie: we have to use screen scrapers. :(

[14:09:23]

juski:

hey nick! just realised who you are :)

[14:10:17]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: hey

[14:10:56]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: will try and get along to lugradio live and support the cause

[14:11:02]

juski:

sitting here with my fuzzy head going "knowledgejunkie.. why does that ring a bell?"

[14:11:11]

juski:

cool!

[14:11:27]

laga:

gah, the sci fi channel is not there

[14:11:28]

laga:

*sigh*

[14:11:33]

juski:

more the merrier. free mythtv badges for stand attendees :)

[14:11:40]

juski:

that is stand HELPERS

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: ooh

[14:12:11]

juski:

case badges I mean

[14:12:20]

juski:

my head is wrecked. damn afternoon beers

[14:12:31]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: I can stand around and pretend to look knowledgeable

[14:12:44]

juski:

haha. no you can't. that's my trick

[14:13:04]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: damn

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juski:

I think I'm demoing in the Hour Of Power again. oh boy

[14:13:43]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: which day is that?

[14:13:47]

juski:

Sunday

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juski:

2pm-3pm I think

[14:14:01]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: righty

[14:14:56]

juski:

wow. I remembered that rightly – it is 2pm-3pm

[14:15:38]

juski:

Joe Born's " The Path to the $100 Embedded Linux Media Center" talk might be interesting

[14:15:57]

juski:

I might actually catch some talks this year! OMG!

[14:16:01]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: just looking at hte schedule now

[14:16:04]

laga:

"at first, let's take VDR and this full-featured dvb card.."

[14:16:25]

juski:

laga: he's the guy from that company who are selling an embedded box

[14:16:32]

laga:

juski: ah, nice

[14:16:48]

juski:

the tiny mpeg4 recording/playing embedded box

[14:17:06]

juski:

once it has 512MB RAM it'll be reet for mythtv :-P

[14:17:41]

juski:

Joe Born is the CEO of Neuros FYI

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juski:

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4532837874.html

[14:18:23]

laga:

gah. duplicate channel ids :(

[14:18:35]

purserj:

so how many companies are selling myth based home entertainment networks?

[14:18:54]

juski:

purserj: none. some are selling boxes of dubious quality

[14:19:15]

juski:

others seem fairly reputable.. Dragon & a couple of others

[14:19:25]

purserj:

hmm

[14:20:05]

juski:

there's a guy in NZ doing it – he's a pain in the mailing list – asking for features his paying customers want

[14:20:30]

purserj:

yeah I met him at linux.conf.au

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sebrock:

if I have one AMD64 3500+ and one AMD64 3000+ which one should I have to backend and frontend?

[14:21:18]

purserj:

Interviewed him when I was doing live from LCA

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juski:

I've met countless people interested in turning myth into a commercial product. all of them greedy bastards on first impressions – saw their eyes light up when they were told myth is open source

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juski:

this web streaming stuff which is in SVN trunk now is gonna turn heads at LRL, of that I can be sure

[14:22:27]

purserj:

web streaming?

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: what if danielk gets the multirec stuff working for then also? :)

[14:23:09]

juski:

knowledgejunkie: can't bank on having a good enough signal at the show

[14:23:20]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: grrrr

[14:23:38]

juski:

I'm gonna try & get near an outside door if I can

[14:23:57]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: showing off the ITV over DVB would be good, plus PiP

[14:24:06]

knowledgejunkie:

juski: what did you show them last year?

[14:24:18]

juski:

interactive stuff sucks if your demo box only has 800mhz

[14:24:50]

juski:

I might take my actual desktop machine this year though- it's got the fastest CPU in the house

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knowledgejunkie:

juski: are they using a projector?

[14:25:30]

juski:

knowledgejunkie: on the main stage they are

[14:25:49]

juski:

I'm taking my 22" wide LCD for the stand. gbee will maybe have his laptop

[14:25:59]

juski:

I can also bring a 19" 4:3 LCD

[14:26:16]

juski:

though of course if anybody wants to come along & bring their 42" display they're welcome!

[14:27:20]

laga:

juski: do you have flash streaming working? do you know where i can find some documentation?

[14:27:35]

juski:

laga: just needs a non-crippled ffmpeg

[14:27:57]

laga:

juski: non-crippled as in "get a sane distro instead of ubuntu feisty"?

[14:28:08]

juski:

as if!

[14:28:09]

juski:

http://jusftp.no-ip.org/mythweb/

[14:28:40]

laga:

slow. :)

[14:29:16]

gbee:

laga: no real documentation, it's barely been committed to svn

[14:29:27]

anykey__:

laga: it just works(tm)

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juski:

laga: basically just get a proper ffmpeg & you're done

[14:29:48]

laga:

juski: where do i have to click? i only see the asx and "direct download" buttons

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gbee:

well it doesn't really, but it will by the time 0.21 is released

[14:30:12]

anykey__:

laga: you need to click on the thumbnail of the recording

[14:30:17]

juski:

laga: you need flash in your browser

[14:30:17]

gbee:

laga click on the title or thumbnail

[14:30:19]

anykey__:

laga: the player is inside the detail page

[14:30:29]

laga:

ooooooh!

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gbee:

you also need to be sure that it's looking in the right place for ffmpeg – currently uses a hardcoded path

[14:30:58]

laga:

omg omg omg omg

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laga:

it works here, too

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laga:

without sound. ok. but it works.

[14:31:25]

anykey__:

though jumping inside the recording doesn't work here :|

[14:31:38]

laga:

anykey__: works here

[14:31:41]

anykey__:

hm

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gbee:

might just see a first today folks, an exploding gnome

[14:31:49]

laga:

hm

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laga:

wait, i was wrong. it was just on a scene cut

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laga:

gbee: yes

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laga:

gbee: working CAM and working flash streaming

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anykey__:

I wish I had a CAM :(

[14:32:22]

laga:

the mythweb is teh win

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gbee:

can't really stream from juski's connection :(

[14:33:15]

laga:

anykey__: correction: jumping works here

[14:33:16]

laga:

omg omg

[14:33:26]

anykey__:

laga: ffmpeg version? svn version of myth?

[14:33:56]

laga:

heh

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laga:

"FFmpeg version SVN-rUNKNOWN"

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gbee:

it can only jump as far as it's already transcoded/buffered

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anykey__:

laga: same here =)

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laga:

anykey__: 0.cvs20060823–3.1ub

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anykey__:

ah, there's an update, *trying

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laga:

gbee: yup

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laga:

the recording i'm watching was currently happening

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laga:

it's maxing out my 1 GHz athlon :'(

[14:35:06]

laga:

anykey__: mythweb is 0.20-svn20070607-13595–0.0ubuntu3

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laga:

juski: what did you have to enable in your ffmpeg?

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juski:

http://pastebin.ca/552912

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sebrock:

is the development of MythTV down?

[14:39:15]

juski:

sebrock: svn.mythtv.org is up

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z1pp1ty:

any ideas on why grub-set-default has no effect on my system?

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z1pp1ty:

it always boots into option 0

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GreyFoxx:

You might consider a grub support location ? :)

[14:43:59]

z1pp1ty:

i thought some of the folks using nvram-wakeup here might have an idea

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laga:

z1pp1ty: are you running debian sarge?

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z1pp1ty:

ubuntu feisty

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GreyFoxx:

It's like me going to my car mechanic to ask LEgal questions just cause he's been to a lawyer before :)

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Aquahallic:

mornin' folks

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z1pp1ty:

yes, i understand it is off topic

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XGizzmo:

he must have sucked at being a lawyer if he is working on cars now

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XGizzmo:

:)

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Aquahallic:

is there any way to see who/what is reading/writing to your drive??

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z1pp1ty:

laga: why did you ask about debian?

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laga:

z1pp1ty: i used to have a problem on sarge where itr wouldn't work eiter, AFAIK because something was broken in that version of grub

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knowledgejunkie:

z1pp1ty: are you running as root?

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z1pp1ty:

did you figure out a workaround?

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z1pp1ty:

sudo

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laga:

z1pp1ty: i don't remember, to be honest. your issue might be different

[14:51:18]

z1pp1ty:

sure. thanks

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laga:

seems like my mythtv box cashed during its first recording

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laga:

and there's nothing obvious in the sys log

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riddlebox:

is there a way to cut commercials out of a video all together? so when you burn a dvd you save space?

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juski:

riddlebox: see the wikiwiki

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riddlebox:

ok

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Aquahallic:

afternoon....

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Aquahallic:

would prebuffer pause during livetv a result of the app not getting enough data from the drive quick enough or is it from the app to the video card??

[16:55:37]

Dagmar:

drive

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Aquahallic:

is there a way to tell if it's from my PVR150 not producing fast enough or if it's the drive not serving fast enough to the application (mythtv)

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Dagmar:

if the recording plays on another machine, it's not the card

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** laga sobs **

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jroysdon:

Is there a simple MythTV frontend playing method for Linux?

[17:19:22]

laga:

still nos ound in mythweb.

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laga:

guess i'll have to debug..

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laga:

http://www.pastebin.ca/553278 – huh? ffmpeg clearly knows about the audio stream but it's not transcoding them?

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GreyFoxx:

jroy: huh ?

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mchou:

what's the easiest way to convert a recording to divx (mpeg4) with culist in myth?

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gbee:

laga: does any flash have sound?

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laga:

gbee: yes

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mchou:

cutlist*

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juski:

mchou: I'd hazard a guess at nuvexport

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gbee:

laga: oh right, just looked at the pastebin output

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mchou:

juski: I've never used nuvexport

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laga:

gbee: youtube works fine

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juski:

mchou: it's pretty easy to use

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mchou:

juski: what would I need besides ffmpeg and transcode for nuvexport?

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juski:

er.. that's it – I think

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juski:

some perl stuff too IIRC

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laga:

gbee: it doesn't work on ivtv recordings either

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gbee:

laga: no clue, does it work when transcoding to another format?

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gbee:

laga: also try grabbing and building the latest version of ffmpeg from their svn repo

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Aquahallic:

afternoon folks...

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laga:

gbee, juski: damn. while i rebuild ffmpeg with --enable-mp3lame and installed the resulting ffmpeg*deb, i didn't install the libavcodec and libabformat packages.

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laga:

sorry for wasting your time

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Aquahallic:

any opinions as to what filesystem types are best for your recordings folder to help IO for livetv??

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Aquahallic:

any opinions as to what filesystem types are best for your recordings folder to help IO for livetv??

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Aquahallic:

whoops...:/

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Aquahallic:

didn't mean to do that twice

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sphery:

3/sb c

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sphery:

oops

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** laga does the happy mythweb flash streaming dance **

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sphery:

kormoc: Did you see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/272745#272745 ? The guy to whom I responded noticed another "exit" instead of "CORE::exit" in handler.pl, line 137 that's hit if ffmpeg fails to start. We only fixed the one for when ffmpeg finishes successfully.

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sphery:

knowledgejunkie: You around?

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kormoc:

whoops, i'll fix it :)

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sphery:

thx, kormoc

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Aquahallic:

can I ask what filesystem you folks are using for your drive that holds the recordings for you livetv???

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** sphery feels slightly ashamed for not doing up a patch/ticket for it **

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kormoc:

Aquahallic, ext3

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GreyFoxx:

Aquahallic: xfs

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sphery:

Aquahallic: I use ext3, though most say it's the worst

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Aquahallic:

I used reiserfs and I get prebuffer pauses

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sphery:

ext3 is rock-solid stable, and with "slow deletes" enabled gives you the best of all possible worlds...

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Aquahallic:

could this be the filesystem??

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GreyFoxx:

Aquahallic: I doubt it's the FS

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sphery:

could be a lot of things...

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Aquahallic:

I've been trying to run this thing down for days...:/

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GreyFoxx:

Try hitting pause, painting 10 seconds and hit play again

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GreyFoxx:

see if the jitter goes away

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Aquahallic:

yes it does

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GreyFoxx:

It's not the FS

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sphery:

I just had to move all my recordings from one drive to another then move them back in a more appropriate order because of serious fragmentation issues...

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Aquahallic:

then it'll pick back up every so often

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GreyFoxx:

Aquahallic: Sounds like you are playing back slightly faster than realtime and you are pausing when the buffer is starved and waiting for more data

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GreyFoxx:

I had alot of them with certain kernels

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GreyFoxx:

they had nothing to do with myth

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GreyFoxx:

everything to do with the system timer

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sphery:

Yep, and in my experience, that's almost always the case--Myth is not the cause...

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Aquahallic:

I've checked my disk access and I'm getting UDMA5 and if I check it with hdparm it says I'm getting about 56 meg

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GreyFoxx:

I updated and it went away

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sphery:

disk read's aren't so important as reading the actual file...

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Aquahallic:

I'm using 2.6.20 kernel

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Aquahallic:

2.6.20-r8

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Aquahallic:

is there something I can compile differently in my kernel then??

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sphery:

what do you have for the kernel timing?

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GreyFoxx:

Try changing your kernel HZ value

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sphery:

250Hz, 300Hz, or 1000Hz?

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GreyFoxx:

the default is like 100 or 250

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Aquahallic:

250

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GreyFoxx:

bump it to 1000

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sphery:

definitely

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sphery:

will also help LIRC significantly

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GreyFoxx:

those are great for servers, but not so for multimedia machines

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sphery:

Also, you may want to ensure "tickless kernel" is disabled...

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sphery:

Still very new and has issues.

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Aquahallic:

tickless kernel?

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sphery:

(Don't remember if that's a 2.6.21+ thing, though...)

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** Aquahallic is using gentoo **

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sphery:

Without tickless, there are 1000ticks/sec at 1000Hz. With tickless, ticks only occur when necessary.

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sphery:

It's supposed to bring the efficiency of a 100 or 250Hz timer to a machine that sometimes (like during multimedia playback) needs 300 or 1000Hz...

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Aquahallic:

so recompile my kernel with Timer Freq at 1000 instead of 250?

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kormoc:

yes

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Aquahallic:

okee... recompiling

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Aquahallic:

:)

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** cesman is surprised that isn't the default w/ Gentoo **

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sphery:

Looks like tickless was introduced in 2.6.21, so just remember it for future upgrades... :)

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Aquahallic:

yeah I didn't see it on this build

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Aquahallic:

I originally started with gentoo 2007 but had all kinds of problems...so I backported

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cesman:

backported?

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Aquahallic:

bad choice of words... formated and started over with 2.6.20

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mchou:

lol gentoo lusers

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mchou:

format....wtf

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Aquahallic:

it was just as easy cause there's nuttin' on the drive anyways

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mchou:

if there aint nothing on the drive, why was a format necessary?

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mchou:

lol

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Aquahallic:

nothing worth keeping I meant..;)

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mchou:

aw, shoot. Now I remember why I didnt use nuvexport

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mchou:

video quality was horrid

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mchou:

cant give this recording to a budding, it would give myth a bad name :)

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mchou:

buddy*

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kormoc:

Aquahallic, you do understand that gentoo is versionless, only the install is versioned and once it's installed and updated, it's exactly the same, right?

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Dagmar:

It's all CRAZY

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tgm4883_laptop:

does anyone use ir transmitting to a vizio tv?

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juski:

Dagmar: we've got a new thing in mythmusic :)

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/woot.png

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juski:

not committed yet though.. just finished coding it with a bit of help

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nasa:

anyone know where the script that is referenced in the wiki for epsxe is located? The link in the wiki is dead....

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kormoc:

google might

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** nasa google skills suck. He hasn't come across it yet. **

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nasa:

nvm, I had a backup copy :}

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laga:

put it on the intarweb again and link to it in the wikiwikiwah

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directhex:

juski, i don't often use mythmusic because it's crashtastic. what's the new feature?

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laga:

directhex: get those bug reports in then

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juski:

directhex: progress indicator.. bar style

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achew22:

juski, its beautyful

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achew22:

is it draggable?

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juski:

meh

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juski:

no

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juski:

nothing in mythmusic works with a mouse yet

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achew22:

oh, thats too bad — who is maintaining mythmusic?

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juski:

and to make the bar draggable I'd need to change the uitype to something like a horizontal scroll bar

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achew22:

juski, if you are commiting it, when will you be commiting it?

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juski:

achew22: there are bigger fish to fry than bringing mousey support to mythmusic anyway IMHO

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achew22:

juski, that was a curiosity thing

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juski:

I dunno when I'll be committing it, I'll ask for consensus :)

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** directhex laughs at the poor feeble people on digg **

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directhex:

"There are 8 dual-core Opterons in there somewhere, running at 2.8GHz each (as I recall) ... but they're hard to see as they are tucked away under 128 Gigabytes of RAM." – 128? zomgs! what an emormous number!

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achew22:

juski, it looks good — will it require rewrites on the theme files?

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juski:

directhex: I had a link to a hole once. nobody dugg it :-P

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directhex:

juski, but 128! imagine that! is that even possible without the universe imploding?

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juski:

achew22: it needs a new container

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juski:

128? that's like... 16 to the power 2!!! ffs!

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juski:

awesome!

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achew22:

ha ha ha — its just a math computer nothing exciting

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juski:

achew22: since I'm the offishull-stylee theme maintainer dude now, it'd be quite trivial to add it to all the core themes

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achew22:

juski, congrats?

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directhex:

orac:~ # free -g | grep Mem

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directhex:

Mem: 585 3 581 0 0 0

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directhex:

*cough*

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juski:

achew22: yeah thanks.. I asked.. nobody made me do it

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achew22:

juski, just out of curiosity — are you a graphic designer in real life or is this just a hoby?

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juski:

hobby

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achew22:

how did you get a <title>Juski's stuff – MythTV GUI Themes</title> into that png?

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juski:

don't give me the ole you're in the wrong job schtick – I get that about my v/o work, my video editing...

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juski:

into what png?

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achew22:

www.juski.co.uk/woot.png

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achew22:

it has a title

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juski:

woot.png? my crappy DNS redirector puts it in a frame

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achew22:

ohh... damn — I was excited for a seccond

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juski:

lordy – if we had graphics out there that could change browser variables we'd be done for

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achew22:

juski, do whatever the hell you want with your free tiem — I'm not going to bug you about it

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achew22:

especialy if I'm beinifiting from it ;)

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juski:

achew22: also coming to mythmusic is the buttons actually reflecting the current play state (play, pause, stop) – and no themes will be broken in the process thanks to gbee :)

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directhex:

hooray for gbee

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achew22:

juski, nifty — other than trac which I find hard to follow because its so vast is there any way to follow the progress of a perticular plugin?

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juski:

the -commits list

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achew22:

I assume I'll be flooded there too — right?

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juski:

actually folks there are a lot of changes to put into the release notes in the wiki.. anybody feel like cracking on with that feel free

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achew22:

juski, is there a list in trac?

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juski:

achew22: it's not a torrential flow like -users is put it that way

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jduggan_:

hmm

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jduggan_:

thunder and lightening

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juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/

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achew22:

I am thinking about unsubscribing from -users because I can't deal with waking up to 20 emails

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juski:

lol

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directhex:

try my job

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jduggan_:

try goin on postfix list

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juski:

just stop receiving emails – that way if you read gossamer & see anything interesting you can reply to it

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jduggan_:

120310213 emails a day

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achew22:

I wake up — look at the number not knowing if its from my boss or from the list and cry

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directhex:

the sendmail list would have that many if anyone could get their mail server working

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jduggan_:

directhex:

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jduggan_:

LOL

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juski:

I noticed a comment/bug report about one of my themes on -users.. it's gone ignored. I tell folks to email me in the README.txt damnit

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achew22:

juski, where do I subscribe to the commit list (read: commit suicide)

[20:51:07]

juski:

same place you subscribe to other lists

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achew22:

okay

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juski:

other mythtv lists I mean

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Hoxzer:

http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/Universal . . . 00084714.htm <- I dont understand this remote controller has feutures like: macros, rogrammable keys, 8 in 1 .... and it still costs somewhere around 15 euros

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Hoxzer:

*programmable

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juski:

whoah. reality dawns... LRL is one month today!

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juski:

Hoxzer: what you'll probably find is that you can enter device codes to set each of the 8 sections to emulate different remotes.. and maybe assign a few custom buttons or learn a few from another remote. it'll be limited much like my OneForAll-6 is

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** jams becomes lost in a sea of xterms **

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juski:

jams: do you approve of the new mythmusic progress indicator bar?

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juski:

er.. _proposed_ new..

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jams:

yeah it looks rather nice

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jams:

it would be nice if like the ipod the start and end time can be at the end of the bar

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juski:

oo new theme elements

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jams:

i don't remeber if it's possible to move the start/end time around

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juski:

and breaking older themes

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juski:

you can move the _time_ around but not the start/end

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directhex:

yay for breaking older themes!

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jams:

figures

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juski:

hey I'm still a 3rd party theme creator :-)

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jams:

it's good, i do like it

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jams:

course now i have to update my themes...

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juski:

jams: it's one container

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juski:

read the commit note when it's in :)

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jams:

yep i will mark it as todo

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jams:

it will sit right beside the other theme updates todo

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** juski wonders if there are any easy tickets he can close **

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juski:

prolly not knowing the sweat I was in over the progress indicator patch

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jams:

hey that progress patch is impressive

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juski:

there I was, converting the current time vs total time into a percentage, then into an int, then passing it to the function.. when it turned out the function does the hard sums already

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juski:

s/function/class

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juski:

jams: ever had problems getting arrows to line up right in the managed list views? ;)

[21:02:47]

jams:

good lord yes

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jams:

and yes that's marked as todo as well =)

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juski:

you can now put <location>x,y</location> on the left & right arrows

[21:03:14]

juski:

that one had pissed me off for ages, so I ate it

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jams:

hehe

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juski:

looking around the source it wasn't the only place that graphics size/location are hard-coded. no doubt I'll find them all eventually

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juski:

I'm not a huge fan of the managed tree list resizing the selectbar to appear in the left hand bin either

[21:05:33]

jams:

yeah cause it almost always get's it wrong

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jams:

thats one of those things where you just need to keep trying till it looks ok

[21:06:11]

juski:

not so much that – I spend a lot of time getting the corners & shading right now, and squashing a 700 pixel bar down to 250 just sucks

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jams:

i find it clips off the ends

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juski:

interestingly, I've been thinking about the possibility of using SVG icons & stuff

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directhex:

svg!

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directhex:

yay!

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juski:

shiny is easy with SVG

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juski:

too many layers will make it slower than bitmaps though

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juski:

but I guess you could always render a SVG into a bitmap at the right size & just blit that around

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juski:

so then you'd always get the icon/whatever at the best res :)

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juski:

hang on a tic

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juski:

I was on to Chutt a while ago about the possibility of making a new theme element for reflections.

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juski:

I've made a new theme element today!

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juski:

oh boy

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juski:

be kinda interesting to get transformations into theme elements for opengl too

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juski:

skew, perspective..

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achew22:

does anyone in here run linuxbios?

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mcquaid:

hmm, I probably shoulnd't have done this but I changed my mythtv box ip address while myth was running

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mcquaid:

now when I launch the frontend or setup it just says 'new DB connection 1' and hangs there

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mcquaid:

i assumed it would time out after a min and let me enter the new ip address but doesn't seem to be

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mcquaid:

is there some file where I can just put in the new ip address?

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mcquaid:

i tried stopping/starting the backend but didn't help

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mcquaid:

ok it finally timed out saying it can't connect to mysql database on old ip address

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mcquaid:

how can i changed it to the new one?

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mcquaid:

change

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jams:

mcquaid- you have to change mysql.txt and also run mythtv-setup to change the ip of the MBE

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mcquaid:

ok thx i'll try that

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mcquaid:

jams, ok i changed that, now instead of hanging it loops really quick can't connect to new ip over and over when trying to run mythtv-setup

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mcquaid:

ok mysql isn't running anymore. when i tried /etc/init.d/mysql start it times out trying to connect to localhost

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mcquaid:

damn, all this cause i changed an ip address. after this i'm not going to use actual ip addresses anymore

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mcquaid:

anyone have any other suggestions on how i can get mysql back to life?

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pike_:

/etc/hosts entry or something maybe?

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mcquaid:

damn, finally fixed it. changed the ip in /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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mcquaid:

ok i have to get away from static ip's and use hostnames to avoid that in the future

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mcquaid:

all that crap cause i changed one ip

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mcquaid:

and the computer wouldn't even boot because of fstab smb mount points pointing to the old ip

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: Or just don't bind to any specific IP

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mcquaid:

GreyFoxx, well, thats what I mean by using hostnames. Not sure what you mean

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: If you do not tell mysql to bind to aspecific IP it will bind to ALL IP's on your box

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mcquaid:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

then you can change IP's at will

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GreyFoxx:

It's the same with just about any IP listening application

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mcquaid:

ok thx good to know

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Zider:

can mythtv be set to fall back on another IP for mysql? in case the "main" mysql is down or something

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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jams:

Zider- mythtv can not. However there is nothing stopping you from doing HA mysql

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Zider:

HA?

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GreyFoxx:

high availability

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jduggan_:

high availability

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jduggan_:

darnit

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jduggan_:

:o

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jams:

yeah what those two said

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jduggan_:

mysql replication and some heartbeat type stuff

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Zider:

like distributed mysql..? :P

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Zider:

I was thinking having it revert to a local mysql on the frontend in case the backend is unavailable.. so it can still play dvds and stuff without having access to the backend..

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Zider:

I suppose that can't be done then

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tcpsyn:

I'm bummed. I bought a dvi cable thinking I could use vga, dvi, and tvout on my graphics card so that I could free up a pci slot

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tcpsyn:

but they only support 2 displays at a time

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tcpsyn:

:(

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tcpsyn:

I wonder if I can split the signal using hardware

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tcpsyn:

a vga splitter or something

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Zider:

most cards supports maximum 2 displays

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tcpsyn:

yeah, I just figured that since it had 3 I could use 3.

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tcpsyn:

I could always dump my second monitor and make the tv a dedicated myth screen.

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tcpsyn:

is there a way to start mythfrontend on a dedicated screen at login?

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tcpsyn:

hrm.

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tcpsyn:

that would be good.

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hads:

Should be easy

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** hads shakes his fist at his Sky box **

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hads:

Why if they have a setting for parental level do they not honour it!

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Zider:

kick them

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squish102:

if i record HD, but I dont want to keep it in HD, can I click that auto-transcode and possibly trascode it to divX to save space?

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