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| [00:09:17] | mishehu: | what TV format is north america? is it NTSC-M or NTSC-N ? |
| [00:16:00] | kslater: | didn't even know there was a -X after the standard. |
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| [00:16:49] | Aquahallic: | evenin' folks |
| [00:20:13] | a5benwillis: | evnin |
| [00:20:19] | a5benwillis: | enenin |
| [00:20:21] | a5benwillis: | evenin |
| [00:20:25] | a5benwillis: | ;P |
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| [00:34:41] | mishehu: | ugh. |
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| [01:14:24] | isntitknoying: | i don't want to make anyone mad...does anyone have any rough idea when a new release of myth may come out? |
| [01:15:14] | kormoc: | when it's ready |
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| [01:20:38] | harry: | i have some general questions about mythtv, can someone help me? |
| [01:21:51] | harry: | I don't actually have cable, but can I rip dvds onto my computer (ubuntu) and stream over lan to computer downstairs (WinXP)? |
| [01:25:44] | xris: | harry: there isn't really a client/player for windows. |
| [01:25:56] | xris: | but you could just use it as a fileserver and do things that way. |
| [01:26:24] | xris: | if you just want it for that, though, you're better off using something specifically designed for the job, though. |
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| [01:28:44] | harry: | xris: if I have coaxial cable wired through the walls, would it be possible to set it up so that the server streamed media over the coax and I could just plug into the tv (obv. i would need some kind of card) |
| [01:33:49] | xris: | harry: that'd take some sort of RF converter.. you'd lose all kinds of quality. |
| [01:34:00] | xris: | hopefully someone else can answer more. time for me to go home from work. |
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| [01:51:52] | Aquahallic: | is WriteAudio: buffer underrun a drive speed error?? |
| [01:52:00] | Aquahallic: | or is it my soundcard? |
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| [02:21:16] | my2keh: | anyone know why I'd be getting this in my backend log? #554 not found in PAT! |
| [02:21:23] | my2keh: | I'm running dvb-s |
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| [02:32:23] | my2keh: | it's saying I have a partial lock |
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| [02:49:39] | HalonChilled: | when i run irw in lirc setup I recieve the following error "connect: Connection refused". does anyone have any idea what i should do to fix the problem? |
| [02:58:42] | Aquahallic: | restart lirc |
| [02:59:18] | HalonChilled: | aquahallic using "/etc/init.d/lirc start" |
| [03:00:00] | HalonChilled: | aquahallic same error message |
| [03:00:44] | Aquahallic: | is mythtv running? |
| [03:00:59] | HalonChilled: | Aquahallic not even installed yet |
| [03:01:29] | Aquahallic: | hmmm |
| [03:01:38] | Aquahallic: | I had that error too |
| [03:01:47] | HalonChilled: | Aquahallic this is like my 25th reinstall so i decided to try installing lirc first |
| [03:01:49] | ** Aquahallic can't remember how I fixed it ** | |
| [03:02:05] | Aquahallic: | you logged in a root? |
| [03:02:08] | HalonChilled: | Aquahallic =( |
| [03:02:20] | Aquahallic: | in as root |
| [03:02:21] | HalonChilled: | Aquahallic ofcourse |
| [03:05:53] | Aquahallic: | I swear I can't for the LIFE of me remember what I did to get around that...:/ |
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| [03:08:45] | HalonChilled: | aquahallic thanks for your help though |
| [03:09:17] | HalonChilled: | aquahallic this is hte most frustraiting thing ever, I can get everything else on mythtv to work but damn lirc never ever works |
| [03:09:38] | Aquahallic: | what reciever you using? |
| [03:11:34] | HalonChilled: | aquahallic hauppauge pvr-150 |
| [03:11:46] | Aquahallic: | no.... IR reciever |
| [03:12:10] | HalonChilled: | Aquahallic its built into the card |
| [03:12:17] | Aquahallic: | ahhh |
| [03:12:42] | Aquahallic: | I built the serial receiver |
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| [03:24:50] | Fnc: | does anyone know anything about these... can they be used for a frontend? |
| [03:25:00] | Fnc: | http://cgi.ebay.com/EXTERNAL-USB-2-HARD-DRIVE . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [03:35:20] | Fnc: | http://cgi.ebay.com/EXTERNAL-USB-2-HARD-DRIVE . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [03:35:27] | Fnc: | does anyone know anything about these... can they be used for a frontend? |
| [03:35:55] | kormoc: | Fnc, don't spam the channel |
| [03:36:56] | Fnc: | what spam? |
| [03:37:21] | kormoc: | Fnc, saying the same lines over and over again is considered spamming |
| [03:38:21] | Fnc: | sorry about that when i signed back on i needed to identify... thought since i didnt see anyone talking maybe i wasnt sending to the channel |
| [03:38:24] | Fnc: | mea culpa |
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| [04:19:20] | fluvvell: | how does one change the startup channel on mythtv, ive deleted channel 28 and I get a warning from mythtv-setup |
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| [04:25:29] | cesman: | it is changed in mythtv-setup |
| [04:26:46] | clever: | 2007-06–06 00:26:13.271 DPMS is active. |
| [04:26:46] | clever: | QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| [04:26:46] | clever: | QSqlDatabase: available drivers: |
| [04:26:46] | clever: | 2007-06–06 00:26:13.412 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [04:26:46] | clever: | 2007-06–06 00:26:13.413 Unable to connect to database! |
| [04:26:58] | clever: | ugh:S |
| [04:27:21] | clever: | need some mysql dev packages i think |
| [04:27:30] | kormoc: | clever, please don't spam the channel. you've been in here long enough to know that any pastes longer then two lines require a pastebin |
| [04:27:53] | clever: | k i'll try to cut it down more next time |
| [04:28:29] | clever: | but that still doesnt fix the mysql problems |
| [04:29:01] | clever: | just did a apt-get build-dep mythtv which should install all stuff needed to build the mythtv source that comes with the os |
| [04:29:06] | clever: | but im building svn source |
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| [04:30:47] | russellb: | clever: that means you don't have the qt mysql driver installed ... sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-mysql |
| [04:30:57] | clever: | thanks |
| [04:31:11] | russellb: | np |
| [04:32:22] | clever: | looks much better now |
| [04:33:03] | clever: | slight problem |
| [04:33:06] | clever: | it cant find any themes |
| [04:33:21] | clever: | probly just needs a symlink in the right place |
| [04:35:22] | clever: | clever@media:/usr/local/share$ sudo ln -sv /media/disk/mythtv/install/share/mythtv/ |
| [04:35:31] | clever: | that fixed it |
| [04:36:06] | clever: | should track the bug down |
| [04:36:12] | clever: | it isnt fully following --prefix |
| [04:37:10] | clever: | installed themes to prefix/share/mythtv/themes |
| [04:37:20] | clever: | then tryed looking for them in /usr/share/mythtv/themes |
| [04:37:39] | russellb: | did you define prefix as /usr ? |
| [04:38:08] | russellb: | when you installed mythtv, not the themes |
| [04:38:20] | clever: | i defined it as /media/disk/mythtv/install |
| [04:38:42] | clever: | and the theme was the default that was put in with the main programs |
| [04:38:46] | clever: | all 1 giant configure script |
| [04:39:30] | russellb: | stop using weird install paths |
| [04:39:32] | ** russellb runs ** | |
| [04:39:34] | clever: | looks like everything installed in the custom prefix but it isnt looking there for a few things |
| [04:39:41] | clever: | my / had 19mb free |
| [04:39:57] | clever: | the prefix is filled to 38mb |
| [04:40:21] | clever: | mythtv's home dir/builddir/datadir/prefix are all on the external 80gig drive |
| [04:42:35] | clever: | and that makes the host use a diff backend ip then the others |
| [04:42:42] | clever: | which still leads to the backend over vpn |
| [04:49:07] | clever: | but having 50kb/sec to the master backend is cripling |
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| [06:17:18] | juski: | morning |
| [06:17:49] | cesman: | hi juski |
| [06:19:22] | juski: | hey cesman. my last day at work for a while today :) |
| [06:23:26] | cesman: | :D |
| [06:23:36] | ** cesman needs a holiday himeself ** | |
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| [06:32:28] | juski: | rm /media/dvbradio/*broadcasting*.mp3 |
| [06:32:31] | juski: | dog |
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| [06:38:51] | juski: | time to head off to work.. back in about an hour...... |
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| [07:36:00] | juski: | yup. took about an hour |
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| [07:40:51] | cesman: | bedtime for me... |
| [07:40:59] | ** cesman is away: Gone away for now. ** | |
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| [07:47:17] | sebrock: | got a quick question. In this backend-frontend design which part is doing the actuall decoding of lets say HD material? |
| [07:47:39] | sebrock: | so which part should have the best CPU etc? |
| [07:48:09] | hads: | The backend records and the frontend plays. |
| [07:48:12] | anykey__: | sebrock: the frontend does the decoding |
| [07:49:02] | juski: | the frontend _always_ does the playback & decoding |
| [07:49:15] | sebrock: | thanks lads |
| [07:49:38] | juski: | there's no way to do anything else. try playing even SDTV over a vnc link, forwarded X or freeNX ! |
| [07:49:55] | sebrock: | to much for the net? |
| [07:52:05] | juski: | ho ho ho oh yes |
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| [07:53:42] | sebrock: | hm... |
| [07:54:27] | sebrock: | how much bandwidth does SDTV need? |
| [07:54:35] | sebrock: | just curious |
| [07:55:14] | kormoc: | 2.8 megabit per second or so for standard bitrate |
| [07:55:54] | juski: | no no |
| [07:56:27] | juski: | or YES, but if you mean to watch TV over a forwarded X session it'd be uncompressed |
| [07:56:49] | sebrock: | yes, uncompressed I mean |
| [07:57:09] | juski: | so e.g. PAL would be 720 * 576 * 24 * 25 bits per sec |
| [07:57:48] | kormoc: | just a tad under 30 megabytes per second |
| [07:57:56] | juski: | HDTV might be 1920 * 1080 * 24 * 30 bits per sec – which is quite a lot! |
| [07:57:57] | sebrock: | oh shit |
| [07:58:05] | kormoc: | or 240 megabits per second |
| [07:58:18] | sebrock: | ok guys, nex ttime I log on I'll be having a 100mbit connection |
| [07:58:20] | sebrock: | :D |
| [07:58:51] | kormoc: | juski, there are cards that do it, they're just ungodly costly and no linux support |
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| [07:59:48] | Neeesat25: | Good morning |
| [08:00:06] | kormoc: | juski, http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ |
| [08:00:19] | anykey__: | well, there is still HDCP :( |
| [08:00:32] | kormoc: | that's much cheaper then the last time I looked |
| [08:01:49] | Neeesat25: | Any suggestion for a DVB-S2 HD card? |
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| [08:10:16] | juski: | kormoc: I know all about the MJPEG HDMI capture card. It may aswell not even exist :) |
| [08:10:23] | anykey__: | Neeesat25: I don't think they work with Linux yet... |
| [08:10:32] | juski: | Neeesat25: |
| [08:10:32] | juski: | 1: LRL07 Venue (The Lighthouse) |
| [08:10:32] | juski: | Travel |
| [08:10:32] | juski: | |
| [08:10:32] | juski: | 2: Birmingham International Airport |
| [08:10:34] | juski: | 3: Birmingham New Street Station |
| [08:10:40] | juski: | damnit |
| [08:10:45] | juski: | sorry |
| [08:12:00] | juski: | Neeesat25: dvb-s2 support is emerging in linux right now. #linuxtv would be a better place to ask. But look on the linuxtv mailing lists first! |
| [08:14:48] | Neeesat25: | Ok thanks |
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| [08:33:02] | sinthetek: | for some reason all of my recordings are showing up in 'previously recorded' and not in 'watch recordings'. how can i watch them from the previously-recorded menu/ |
| [08:33:08] | sinthetek: | ?* |
| [08:33:29] | hads: | FAQ |
| [08:34:03] | juski: | you cannot watch recordings from the previously recorded menu |
| [08:34:56] | juski: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_A . . . ecordings.3F |
| [08:35:25] | hads: | I couldn't be bothered finding the link :) |
| [08:35:45] | juski: | I have it bookmarked |
| [08:35:45] | sinthetek: | juski: that was the first thing i thought of, but to no avail |
| [08:35:57] | juski: | sinthetek: you're wrong |
| [08:36:25] | sinthetek: | juski: well, when i look at the default group filters, they only list 3 recordings total (it seems) |
| [08:36:30] | juski: | if you have mythweb and they appear there, then it's a filtering problem |
| [08:36:33] | sinthetek: | but in previously recorded, there is like 50 |
| [08:36:44] | juski: | maybe the recordings all expired already |
| [08:36:50] | juski: | or you deleted them |
| [08:37:01] | sinthetek: | in the default group there is 1 and in livetv there are like two |
| [08:37:19] | sinthetek: | i just got home from visiting a friend's for a few days and it was like this |
| [08:37:36] | juski: | how much free disk space have you got? |
| [08:37:42] | sinthetek: | there is only 1 of my old recordings left in the watch recordings page |
| [08:37:52] | juski: | what shows up in 'delete recordings' ? |
| [08:38:01] | sinthetek: | and like 2 or 3 others, and then all of the stuff that should have been recording the last 4 days are in previouisly recorded |
| [08:38:05] | ** sinthetek looks ** | |
| [08:38:25] | juski: | maybe time to look in your backend log |
| [08:38:38] | juski: | check the hardware is still working.. etc .. etc .. etc |
| [08:38:42] | sinthetek: | same as in watch recordings |
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| [08:38:49] | sinthetek: | just those same 3–4 recordings |
| [08:38:52] | juski: | ls the recording dir |
| [08:39:05] | juski: | files don't just vanish |
| [08:39:24] | sinthetek: | weak |
| [08:39:48] | sinthetek: | i shoulda had like 10–20gb free when i left though |
| [08:39:50] | juski: | so mythtv has expired them, or they never really recorded |
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| [08:40:17] | juski: | 20GB free?! as much as that eh |
| [08:40:38] | juski: | wow. no wonder mythtv isn't keeping 50 or so recordings |
| [08:41:02] | sinthetek: | juski: i never expected it to keep 50. i expected it to keep more than 3 |
| [08:41:16] | juski: | heh |
| [08:41:28] | juski: | look in your log |
| [08:41:30] | samesame: | isnt TiVO just like mythtv? they are both linux based? |
| [08:41:32] | sinthetek: | especially since 2 of those 3 weren't even scheduled recordings and the other is like the first ever mythtv recording i ever made (no doubt with altered priority) |
| [08:41:39] | juski: | see how many shows have been expired |
| [08:41:41] | directhex|work: | samesame, both are linux based. |
| [08:41:58] | juski: | samesame: no, mythtv is not like tivo. tivo is propriatary suckage |
| [08:42:19] | samesame: | ok |
| [08:42:20] | juski: | you can't run mythtv on a tivo |
| [08:42:20] | directhex|work: | and runs on an embedded platform |
| [08:42:26] | ** Captain_Murdoch ponders... isn't Windows 3.0 just like Windows Vista? they're both Windows based.... ** | |
| [08:42:37] | samesame: | lol |
| [08:43:17] | directhex|work: | Captain_Murdoch, oxygen and ozone are the same, right? wanna breathe some ozone? |
| [08:43:20] | juski: | isn't a Ferrari just like a Skoda? I mean they're both _cars_ ffs |
| [08:43:41] | doc|home: | juski: really? ok, swap you my skoda for your ferrari |
| [08:44:12] | juski: | deal! |
| [08:44:19] | juski: | will mythtv run on your skoda? |
| [08:45:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | sinthetek: the backend logs should list every recording that was expired. and Myth determines how much free space to keep based on the max recording rate of your tuners. look for "CalcParams(): Required Free Space" in your logs to see how much it wants to keep free. |
| [08:48:49] | doc|home: | juski: I'll throw a dashboard computer in too. You drive a hard bargain (and now a skoda) |
| [08:50:10] | ** directhex|work has an integrated dashboard, nowhere to put a computar, or even an ogg-capable cd player ** | |
| [08:52:06] | gardengnome: | get a trunk then |
| [08:53:13] | juski: | be nice if my car stereo would play ogg or flac |
| [08:53:26] | directhex|work: | cars need rockbox! |
| [08:53:35] | juski: | mp3 just doesn't cut it on some albums, even at ridiculous bitrates |
| [08:53:53] | juski: | I think it'll play wav though |
| [08:54:13] | gardengnome: | it might even play... AUDIO CDs *gasp* |
| [08:54:42] | samesame: | aiff |
| [08:54:48] | directhex|work: | wma! |
| [08:54:56] | juski: | wma – for the windows! |
| [08:59:17] | juski: | wow. 0.63G on all axes 5Hz – 500Hz operational vibration limit |
| [08:59:27] | juski: | that's quite impressive for a HDD |
| [09:04:09] | juski: | kemik: on some albums, no |
| [09:04:20] | juski: | on others, sounds fab |
| [09:04:45] | juski: | starting to think some encoders are better suited to some styles of music more than others. go figure |
| [09:05:10] | kemik: | afaik lame is considered the best encoder... and eac to rip with |
| [09:06:34] | juski: | that's what I read too. doesn't make any difference. those albums still some crap in mp3 |
| [09:06:39] | juski: | *sound crap |
| [09:11:25] | samesame: | analogue recordings still sound the best |
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| [09:13:34] | directhex|work: | assuming you don't believe in nyquist |
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| [10:44:43] | Aquahallic: | Mornin' |
| [10:50:30] | kslater: | ugh |
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| [11:58:40] | planktonboy: | hi all |
| [11:59:22] | ** juski burps loudly ** | |
| [11:59:39] | ** directhex|work feeds juski a compiler ** | |
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| [12:06:30] | planktonboy: | hi juski |
| [12:06:35] | planktonboy: | hi directhex |
| [12:06:41] | jduggan_: | any germans here |
| [12:06:47] | planktonboy: | does anyone in here use mythphone |
| [12:06:50] | planktonboy: | :) |
| [12:07:01] | planktonboy: | just thought I would try it out for what its worth |
| [12:07:01] | gardengnome: | jduggan_: probably |
| [12:07:10] | planktonboy: | hi gardengnome |
| [12:07:11] | kslater: | juski – I didn't see if you ever got your network file sharing working any better? |
| [12:07:27] | gardengnome: | hi planktonboy |
| [12:07:34] | planktonboy: | kslater :) hiya |
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| [12:07:45] | kslater: | morning and I'm not saying good |
| [12:07:49] | planktonboy: | hehe |
| [12:07:50] | gardengnome: | jduggan_: i can look thm up for you in a magazine |
| [12:08:03] | kslater: | stayed up too late studying for an interview |
| [12:08:24] | gardengnome: | kslater: coffee? |
| [12:08:35] | kslater: | just got some |
| [12:08:39] | planktonboy: | kslater, yeah? whens the interview |
| [12:08:46] | kslater: | tomorrow at 2 |
| [12:08:53] | kslater: | and then another if that one goes well |
| [12:08:54] | planktonboy: | good luck |
| [12:09:30] | kslater: | thanks |
| [12:09:58] | planktonboy: | I want to try out mythphone, but no one to call |
| [12:10:00] | planktonboy: | hehe |
| [12:10:19] | gardengnome: | planktonboy: no worries, it's quite common in #mythtv-users not to have any friends |
| [12:10:19] | kslater: | I've wanted to try that out too, but I've never set it up |
| [12:10:33] | planktonboy: | LOL |
| [12:10:35] | kslater: | what does it need behind it for calling? |
| [12:10:35] | planktonboy: | yes |
| [12:10:50] | gardengnome: | i coudln't get it to work with my SIP provider. *shrug* |
| [12:11:17] | kslater: | for example could it be tied to an asterisk box inside the house? |
| [12:11:25] | planktonboy: | kslater just register to pulver.com freeworlddialup and rhen setup in mythfrontend |
| [12:11:37] | planktonboy: | kslater yes it can be |
| [12:11:43] | kslater: | k, already have an id there so that would work |
| [12:11:51] | kslater: | what do you use for a mic? |
| [12:12:05] | kslater: | seems odd to talk to the TV |
| [12:12:14] | planktonboy: | I registered with pulver.com as they suggested but everyone I know uses skype |
| [12:12:27] | planktonboy: | just an ordinary mic |
| [12:12:28] | kslater: | other than during sports events when your team is losing |
| [12:12:34] | planktonboy: | but can use ip phone too |
| [12:13:09] | kslater: | does it do any sort of video phone? that could be truly scary |
| [12:13:17] | planktonboy: | yes |
| [12:13:20] | gardengnome: | kslater: yes |
| [12:13:26] | planktonboy: | video phone is supported |
| [12:13:44] | kslater: | #:-O |
| [12:15:30] | gardengnome: | never heard of that website before |
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| [12:16:17] | planktonboy: | gardengnome which one |
| [12:16:25] | planktonboy: | hi gbee |
| [12:16:30] | gardengnome: | the cosmoseng.com one |
| [12:16:31] | gbee: | hi |
| [12:16:58] | gardengnome: | hi gbee |
| [12:17:04] | planktonboy: | yeah..just used it as I couldnt find any other basic instructions on another |
| [12:27:33] | gbee: | downloading a 70MB audio recording of a thunderstorm to test flac changes :) |
| [12:32:37] | planktonboy: | cool |
| [12:32:59] | planktonboy: | gbee dont stand in the open while listening to it |
| [12:33:08] | planktonboy: | mind out for lightning |
| [12:33:13] | planktonboy: | :) |
| [12:38:22] | gbee: | any distros still shipping Flac 1.1.2? |
| [12:39:04] | directhex|work: | 1.1.2–5ubuntu2 |
| [12:41:10] | gbee: | joy |
| [12:41:41] | directhex|work: | why? |
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| [12:43:44] | gbee: | because I have to worry about constants in the patch I'm applying not being defined in flac 1.1.2 and therefore breaking compilation |
| [12:45:30] | directhex|work: | 1.1.2–6 |
| [12:45:40] | directhex|work: | looks like any stable debianese systems are 1.1.2 or less |
| [12:45:48] | gbee: | current flac release is 1.1.4 |
| [12:48:49] | gbee: | there were big api changes between 1.1.2 and 1.1.3, we've already got a bunch of hacks to handle the two, I just need to find the equivalent constants in 1.1.2 so I can map them to the new names |
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| [12:50:49] | Belboz99: | Hey all I'm on Debian Etch and I can't seem to load theh ivtv modules, it's complaining about the firmware not being in the directory, where should it be? |
| [12:51:30] | directhex|work: | /lib/firmware i expect |
| [12:51:33] | Belboz99: | also, cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug returns nothing |
| [12:51:36] | gbee: | well where have you put it? It's usually /lib/firmware or /usr/lib/firmware |
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| [12:52:57] | Belboz99: | I have it in /lib/firmware and /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| [12:53:15] | a5benwillis: | Anyone here run VMWARE in a production environment? |
| [12:53:35] | Dr_willis: | a5benwillis, not production – no. :) at home yes. |
| [12:54:01] | a5benwillis: | having an issue with ip addresses showing up in DNS when they shouldnt. |
| [12:54:31] | a5benwillis: | This on a GSX server... Already asked on the vmware chan so dont flame me ;-) |
| [12:54:47] | Belboz99: | anyone? I have to go to work in 30 minutes |
| [12:55:04] | a5benwillis: | Belboz99: Wish I could help. |
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| [13:13:47] | Dagmar: | a5benwillis: It's highly unlikely that VMWare is responsible for something as high-level as superfluous nameserver data |
| [13:14:00] | Dagmar: | I mean, we're talking lottery odds. |
| [13:14:04] | a5benwillis: | I think I figuredit out. |
| [13:14:10] | Dagmar: | Cool |
| [13:14:37] | gardengnome: | benc-: have you searched www.ivtvdriver.org? |
| [13:14:41] | a5benwillis: | ths is also a domain controller so the private addresses used by the vmware adapters were making itinto dns and causing log in issues.. |
| [13:14:59] | a5benwillis: | back to our regularly scheduled programs..... :-) |
| [13:15:03] | Dagmar: | He's gone, Jim. |
| [13:15:44] | gardengnome: | oops, sorry benc- |
| [13:16:17] | Zider: | does anyone know if VIA UniChrome Pro II can output actual HD or is it just upscaling lower res to 1080? |
| [13:16:21] | Dagmar: | I'm thinking it's a broken or missing hotplug script |
| [13:16:35] | Dagmar: | Zider: DOing that would be a bit mad I think |
| [13:16:56] | Dagmar: | Afaik it outputs 1080, but it's dodgy getting the machine to feed it |
| [13:17:00] | Zider: | Dagmar: well the web site only mentions upscaling lower res for HDTV |
| [13:17:08] | kslater: | ivor probably knows if he's around |
| [13:17:20] | Dagmar: | You need a lotta beef to actually render 1080 |
| [13:17:34] | Zider: | "an HDTV encoder that utilizes VIA's Advance ProScale® Technology to scale the input resolution for 640x480 up to 1024x768 encode for as high as 1080i, 720p standard HDTV resolution output for HD DVD playback" |
| [13:18:22] | gardengnome: | hey Dagmar. do you know how i can feed a password to htdigest2? i guess it's just a matter of redirecting STDIN properly, but i can't quite figure it out. |
| [13:18:32] | Zider: | I was thinking about getting one to build a mythbox from, but it would be nice if it supported actual HDTV ;) |
| [13:18:53] | Zider: | not that I need it yet tho |
| [13:19:45] | Zider: | prepared for the future and all that ;) |
| [13:20:21] | MrGandalf: | greetings |
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| [13:22:12] | MrGandalf: | I know I've asked this before – just want to see if anyone else has seen this – where the frontend stops responding to all input (keyboard, lirc) and network control commands. It gets stuck in livetv and the only thing I can do is kill it. For some reason this is getting worse for me and I can't explain it. |
| [13:22:34] | gardengnome: | MrGandalf: what do the logs say? |
| [13:22:46] | pat_: | my audio from mythtv has a hum, kind of like but not as bad as am radio. mpg123 playing music doesn't exhibit this problem. any ideas? |
| [13:23:06] | MrGandalf: | Nothing unusual. I don't have the verbose turned up very far, that's my next step. |
| [13:23:16] | Dagmar: | pat_: What video output method are you using? |
| [13:24:23] | pat_: | preferred mpeg2 decoder: standard |
| [13:24:27] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [13:24:31] | Dagmar: | What physical hardware |
| [13:24:42] | pat_: | oh, geforce 6200, svideo out |
| [13:24:54] | directhex|work: | gah |
| [13:24:57] | directhex|work: | WHAT TV CARD |
| [13:25:17] | Dagmar: | Hrm... Copy the recording to a different machine and play it there, or use mplayer to play it |
| [13:25:26] | Dagmar: | The hum is probably in your recordings |
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| [13:25:54] | pat_: | any of the 4 tuners in the computer |
| [13:26:03] | pat_: | (two of each) |
| [13:27:01] | pat_: | picture doesn't break up at all so I'm assuming that I've got good reception |
| [13:27:14] | gbee: | well then it's unlikely the problem is in the recording unless it's broadcast with the hum – but that's a little strange |
| [13:27:27] | gbee: | what are you using for audio, oss or alsa? |
| [13:27:38] | pat_: | umm, I'll check |
| [13:27:45] | Zider: | hm, doesn't the player (mplayer, xine, mythtv builtin..) need to support hardware decoders for it to work? or is it enough that there's a driver for it (unlikely)? |
| [13:30:25] | pat_: | (umbongo 6.06 whatever it has set up, I didn't set up sound manually) |
| [13:30:38] | Zider: | oss then |
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| [13:32:17] | pat_: | mpg123 is using alsa |
| [13:32:39] | Zider: | mpg123 is using oss last I checked.. mpg321 can use alsa tho |
| [13:32:44] | pat_: | so, if I change myth to use alsa the theory is the hum disappears |
| [13:32:51] | pat_: | prog_mpg123=/usr/bin/mpg123 -b 1024 -o alsa |
| [13:33:04] | pat_: | (mmpg123 is called from mserv) |
| [13:33:20] | Zider: | yeah, mpg321 installs a symlink so mpg123 calls it |
| [13:33:42] | pat_: | so /dev/adsp/ is alsa? |
| [13:33:48] | Zider: | nope |
| [13:34:03] | Zider: | in mythtv, set ALSA:default as device |
| [13:34:14] | pat_: | hmm, how do I change it to alsa then, they are the only listed devices |
| [13:34:16] | Zider: | /dev/adsp is oss with digital out (spdif) |
| [13:34:32] | pat_: | can I just type it in? |
| [13:34:39] | Zider: | yes |
| [13:35:42] | Dagmar: | Mixer should say Default |
| [13:36:12] | Dagmar: | ...as in "default". Not "/dev/anything" |
| [13:37:05] | pat_: | yup, just done that now I'm restarting the frontend |
| [13:38:10] | Dagmar: | FYI, you don't need to restart after changing that |
| [13:38:34] | Dagmar: | Basically, anything that inits the interface, like entering liveTV or watching a recording, re-grabs the audio stuff |
| [13:38:51] | planktonboy: | ok gotta go |
| [13:38:53] | planktonboy: | later all |
| [13:40:12] | pat_: | problem solved |
| [13:40:16] | pat_: | thanks guys |
| [13:41:06] | pat_: | when I'm using alsa, oss is just emulation isn't it? |
| [13:41:40] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [13:43:59] | pat_: | my last bugbear is my transcoding to xvid settings, I transcode all dvb-t recordings to 624x352 xvid, what bitrate is normally used for that resolution? (900 seems to give me quite a bit of blockiness) |
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| [13:47:18] | Dagmar: | There is no "usually" |
| [13:47:27] | Dagmar: | THere is only "what you can stand" |
| [13:47:33] | pat_: | aah :) |
| [13:47:38] | pat_: | no wonder google wasn't much help |
| [13:47:49] | Dagmar: | This is something that's effected by so many variables, asking someone else for an arbitrary bitrate is kinda useless |
| [13:55:54] | Dagmar: | Cripes. s/effected/affected/; |
| [14:06:23] | pat_: | hmm, can't seem to get the mixer working |
| [14:06:34] | pat_: | but no hum :) |
| [14:09:22] | Dagmar: | Mixer Device: needs to say "default" and Mixer Controls: needs to say something like Master or PCM |
| [14:09:31] | Dagmar: | Whatever works to lower your volume in `alsamixer` |
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| [14:24:51] | dmz: | howdy y'all |
| [14:25:38] | dmz: | i've decided to get rid of my pvr350 and go HD but not sure what the best solution to replacing the 350 remote is (I'd like to be able to use my universal remote too), suggestions? |
| [14:27:51] | RyeBrye: | A LIRC receiver – either serial or USB would work fine |
| [14:28:46] | juski: | woooooooooo.. big meeting at 3.30 today.. some kind of announcement :-| |
| [14:29:47] | directhex|work: | juski, migration to wince as an embedded platform! |
| [14:33:38] | dmz: | RyeBrye, any recommendations :) (usb?) |
| [14:34:28] | dmz: | ever hear of iguanaworks? hmm $40 :/ |
| [14:36:00] | dmz: | what does everyone here use for their remote? I just got too use to my pvr350 |
| [14:36:24] | Dr_willis: | I use a wireless keyboard. :) |
| [14:36:59] | SiD3WiNDR: | I use the remote that came with my imon vfd |
| [14:37:39] | RyeBrye: | I think the USB IRMon or something sounds like one other people have used |
| [14:41:50] | RyeBrye: | http://www.usbuirt.com/overview.htm the USBUIRT does both receiving and sending |
| [14:42:22] | RyeBrye: | but if you don't need sending, and don't think you will ever need sending, you might be paying a little extra for a feature you don't need/want |
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| [14:44:26] | frink_: | oyoyoyoyoy |
| [14:45:05] | frink_: | dmz: I got a LIRC Serial port receiver form ebay for about 5 pounds and it's fine. |
| [14:45:32] | frink_: | in fact it was a lot easier to get working than my Nova-T 500 was.. Mainly because there is no Nova-T 500 remote support |
| [14:45:43] | frink_: | So I used the Nova-t 500 remote and the LIRC receiver |
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| [14:50:29] | rtsai: | hello |
| [14:50:33] | rtsai: | anyone around? |
| [14:51:12] | gardengnome: | yup |
| [14:51:20] | gbee: | no, nobody here |
| [14:51:22] | rtsai: | :) |
| [14:51:36] | gardengnome: | rtsai: weren't you responsible to the experimental commflagger? |
| [14:51:40] | rtsai: | have any messages to mythtv@tsaiberspace.net on -dev or -users been bounced back to the list? |
| [14:51:54] | rtsai: | My mail provider wants some bounced messages so they can figure out why I can't get any list mail |
| [14:52:09] | rtsai: | gardengnome: yes, i wrote it. |
| [14:53:20] | gardengnome: | rtsai: k, just wondering ;) |
| [14:53:28] | rtsai: | I didn't see any in the gossamer archives, but I don't see -any- bounced messages there |
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| [14:54:23] | geemark: | is there any easy way to rename all the "hostname" fields in mythtv when the host it is running on has changed name? |
| [14:54:41] | gardengnome: | yes |
| [14:54:48] | gardengnome: | but i can't tell you how off-hand |
| [14:54:51] | rtsai: | geemark: in MySQL, you can say something like UPDATE tablename SET colname = newvalue WHERE colname = oldvalue |
| [14:54:54] | directhex|work: | mysql powaah! |
| [14:55:02] | rtsai: | I don't know the MythTV schema specifics offhand, though. |
| [14:55:22] | geemark: | rtsai, i know, but MythTV has like a thousand tables |
| [14:55:35] | rtsai: | I think only the settings table has a 'hostname' column. |
| [14:55:37] | gardengnome: | geemark: it's all in the settings table AFAIK |
| [14:55:45] | gardengnome: | rtsai: and the recorded table, AFAIK |
| [14:56:10] | geemark: | and the capturecard table...and... |
| [14:56:13] | gnome42: | geemark: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . tname;#48325 |
| [14:56:14] | rtsai: | if you take a mysqldump backup, you can easily see the column names of all tables |
| [14:56:43] | gnome42: | I seem to recall things go bad if you try and update the tables in place :/ |
| [14:57:21] | rtsai: | probably simpler to just rename the old "mythtv" machine :) |
| [14:57:29] | geemark: | gnome42, thanks for the link |
| [14:57:50] | gnome42: | sure, no problem |
| [14:57:57] | geemark: | rtsai, what do you mean? |
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| [15:01:09] | gbee: | rtsai: bounced messages go to Isaac as the list admin iirc |
| [15:17:42] | rtsai: | gbee: thanks |
| [15:18:26] | planktonboy: | anyone here using mythphone. I want to try it out :) |
| [15:19:25] | planktonboy: | got it all setup I think but no one to call :( |
| [15:19:27] | planktonboy: | hehe |
| [15:19:53] | russellb: | planktonboy: set up with what type of account? |
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| [15:20:57] | planktonboy: | russellb, fwd |
| [15:21:03] | planktonboy: | pulver.com |
| [15:21:10] | russellb: | i wonder if i still have my fwd account set up ... |
| [15:21:11] | ** russellb looks ** | |
| [15:21:37] | planktonboy: | or is there a better service that I can use |
| [15:22:07] | planktonboy: | pulver.com is the one that is suggested on the mythphone info pages, so thats what I used |
| [15:22:34] | planktonboy: | unfortunately it doesn connect to skype network |
| [15:22:39] | russellb: | yeah, that's fine ... it's free |
| [15:22:43] | russellb: | they have some test numbers you can call |
| [15:22:48] | planktonboy: | yup...free is good :) |
| [15:22:49] | russellb: | i don't have my account set up |
| [15:23:24] | planktonboy: | russellb, yeah I have tried those test numbers, and it seems to work ... apart from sometimes I am cutoff |
| [15:23:51] | planktonboy: | but cant get thorugh to the helpline number 55555 |
| [15:24:41] | russellb: | http://www.freeworlddialup.com/learnmore/?p=f . . . ccessnumbers |
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| [15:24:47] | russellb: | ah.. |
| [15:25:45] | planktonboy: | its always busy i guess |
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| [15:30:52] | planktonboy: | anyway let me know if you get that set up and fancy a try |
| [15:31:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | planktonboy: Were you the one working on getting UAE setup with Myth? |
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| [15:34:19] | RyeBrye: | Anyone know a way to redirect outgoing traffic headed towards a specific IP address to my local machine? (on a windows box) |
| [15:34:20] | planktonboy: | J-e-f-f-A I dont thin so, whats UAE |
| [15:34:41] | planktonboy: | dont think so that is |
| [15:34:55] | RyeBrye: | If it were using a hostname, I could use my hosts file, but it's headed to an IP address |
| [15:35:24] | planktonboy: | but I have tried to get a few things working, so many I cant remember |
| [15:35:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | planktonboy: It's an Amiga Emulator... I thought it was you, but I don't have my note in front of me... (it's on my desk at home...) ;-) |
| [15:35:34] | planktonboy: | ah |
| [15:35:34] | SiD3WiNDR: | RyeBrye: add the ip address as a /32 on a network interface? |
| [15:35:36] | planktonboy: | no |
| [15:35:38] | planktonboy: | sorry |
| [15:35:45] | RyeBrye: | SiD3WiNDR – yeah, it is |
| [15:35:55] | SiD3WiNDR: | then that should work, no? :) |
| [15:35:58] | RyeBrye: | Oh, not a bad idea... Let me try :) |
| [15:36:02] | SiD3WiNDR: | hehe |
| [15:43:51] | RyeBrye: | Hmm... I can't quite get Windows to let me set up such a device – but I can probably set my Vmware up to run and listen on the IP address I want... So I can just run the thing I want to redirect the traffic to in vmware I suppose |
| [15:53:13] | jams: | RyeBrye- you could setup a static route |
| [15:55:13] | pat_: | yay, working |
| [15:55:42] | ** pat_ realises that ALSA:Default does not equal ALSA:default ** | |
| [15:55:51] | pat_: | (well, it didn't for me) |
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| [16:05:36] | planktonboy: | oh well, off to do some gardening |
| [16:05:44] | planktonboy: | later chaps |
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| [17:39:40] | clever: | 2007-06–06 12:38:30.979 AO: 61392 bytes free on soundcard |
| [17:39:40] | clever: | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| [17:40:13] | clever: | -v all didnt help much |
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| [18:09:17] | xris: | clever: your best choice: strace and/or gdb |
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| [18:11:03] | clever: | xris: got a -v all from 'mythtv' which just exists without playing |
| [18:11:09] | clever: | exits* |
| [18:11:23] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/log |
| [18:11:51] | clever: | in the past ive ran mythtv somefile.nuv |
| [18:11:57] | clever: | and it played with commflaging and everything |
| [18:12:43] | clever: | 007-06–06 13:04:12.200 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec |
| [18:12:46] | clever: | 2007-06–06 13:04:12.706 TV: Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded |
| [18:12:48] | clever: | 2007-06–06 13:04:14.009 TV Error: nvp->IsPlaying() timed out |
| [18:12:53] | clever: | 2007-06–06 13:04:12.200 TV: StartPlayer(): took 20002 ms to start player. |
| [18:13:04] | clever: | dangit:P just a tad too slow maybe? |
| [18:14:56] | clever: | (gdb) run |
| [18:14:56] | clever: | Starting program: /media/disk/mythtv/install/bin/mythfrontend |
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| [18:18:19] | sdf: | I have two problems: 1. the backend doesn't start automatically, even though it's setup to do so in init. 2. The setup crashes when trying to fetch channels |
| [18:20:13] | clever: | try running the backend startup script manualy |
| [18:20:20] | clever: | like /etc/init.d/backend start |
| [18:20:32] | clever: | see if it spits errors |
| [18:21:04] | seppl: | Could someone please post my there <inuseprograms> database structure. Mine got lost when the backend crashed 2 days ago. Or better where can I find the table definitions myself? |
| [18:21:38] | clever: | theres a txt file with the def of all the tables |
| [18:21:43] | seppl: | sdf: What kind of inputsignal do you use? |
| [18:21:45] | clever: | used when you first make the db |
| [18:22:10] | clever: | i forget where it is or what its called but it will contain the info you want |
| [18:22:45] | seppl: | database/my.sql? ? |
| [18:22:54] | clever: | that sounds close |
| [18:23:16] | seppl: | theres only the statments to grant access to the database for the mythtv user |
| [18:23:30] | seppl: | mythtv-setup does the DB filling |
| [18:23:37] | clever: | ahhh |
| [18:23:45] | clever: | delete the table and see if it gets auto replaced |
| [18:23:48] | clever: | also |
| [18:24:02] | clever: | often the db layout file isntdamaged |
| [18:24:07] | seppl: | it doesn't allready tryed that |
| [18:24:14] | clever: | theres a repair db option which just dumps all the data |
| [18:24:26] | seppl: | the table is empty |
| [18:24:31] | clever: | ahd resets it to empty using the existing layoug def file |
| [18:24:34] | seppl: | allready tryed all of that |
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| [18:25:53] | clever: | xris: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| [18:26:56] | sdf: | seppl: I don't know |
| [18:27:08] | sdf: | clever: running the init script doesn't work |
| [18:27:15] | clever: | what error? |
| [18:27:48] | sdf: | there is no error, it says 'ok', but it's not started |
| [18:27:59] | clever: | check the log files |
| [18:28:25] | sdf: | /var/lib/mythtv/recordings//nfslockfile.lock: Permission denied |
| [18:28:25] | sdf: | Unable to open lockfile! |
| [18:28:33] | clever: | did you run it as root? |
| [18:28:47] | clever: | all init scripts need to be ran as root |
| [18:28:54] | clever: | and is nfs setup right? |
| [18:29:12] | seppl: | dropped and startet mythtv-setup. that worked |
| [18:29:15] | seppl: | thanks |
| [18:30:07] | sdf: | I ran it as root |
| [18:30:32] | clever: | then nfs isnt letting root on 1 sysem act as root on another |
| [18:30:43] | sdf: | I only have one system |
| [18:30:49] | clever: | ahh |
| [18:31:02] | clever: | ls -ld /var/lib/mythtv |
| [18:31:09] | clever: | hats that output? |
| [18:31:19] | sdf: | drwxr-xr-x 6 mythtv mythtv 4096 Jun 6 15:45 /var/lib/mythtv/ |
| [18:31:33] | clever: | looks normal |
| [18:31:45] | clever: | is there a recordings folder in that? |
| [18:32:31] | sdf: | yes |
| [18:32:31] | clever: | xris: found the segfauklt |
| [18:32:39] | clever: | #2 0xb7a0dd9b in iso639_get_language_key_list () from /media/disk/mythtv/install/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0 |
| [18:32:43] | clever: | languagePreference(iso639_get_language_key_list()) |
| [18:32:48] | clever: | decoderbase.cpp |
| [18:32:55] | clever: | sdf: seems normal to me:S |
| [18:43:11] | Dopy: | i have a low sound problem.. is there any configs i can look at? im at 95% on the mythtv volume, and like 70% on my tv before it gets loud... |
| [18:43:32] | Dopy: | my pc has that HDAudio built on |
| [18:44:31] | clever: | i noticed a problem wint my sound card |
| [18:44:34] | clever: | changing the volume of linein on playback |
| [18:44:42] | clever: | affected its recording which was a second bar |
| [18:44:57] | clever: | so just start playing with all the volume controls |
| [18:45:02] | clever: | even the ones that dont make sense:P |
| [18:45:16] | clever: | alsamixer and max it all out 1 at a time until somethign changes |
| [18:45:25] | Dopy: | ok |
| [18:45:36] | Dopy: | i was thinking of getting an audigy |
| [18:45:42] | clever: | tab key changes between Playback Capture [All] |
| [18:45:48] | clever: | left/right picks a bar |
| [18:45:51] | clever: | up/down changes them |
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| [18:46:29] | Dopy: | cool, tkx |
| [18:46:39] | Dopy: | 1 more thing.. will the archive |
| [18:46:49] | Dopy: | work with full dvd ISOs? |
| [18:47:00] | clever: | making it riping? |
| [18:47:03] | clever: | or* |
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| [18:48:20] | clever: | ahh |
| [18:48:38] | clever: | not shure havent used the dvd riping in mythtv before |
| [18:48:42] | Dopy: | and if i want to make a dvd copy for someone.. i want to be able to stick a dvd in.. and archive it |
| [18:49:01] | Dopy: | from an already copied iso |
| [18:49:12] | clever: | but cpdvd can copy the vob files out which can later be burnt back to the disk |
| [18:49:25] | xris: | Dopy: please don't talk about illegal stuff here. |
| [18:49:39] | Dopy: | they are all my dvds in my collection |
| [18:49:47] | xris: | "making a copy for someone" is not legal |
| [18:49:53] | xris: | and mythtv doesn't have any functionality for copying dvds |
| [18:49:54] | clever: | cpdvd cant copy encrypted dvd's by itself |
| [18:50:03] | clever: | and i wont say how to fix that in here |
| [18:50:07] | Dopy: | i ment for me.. if i wanted it back to dvd disc format |
| [18:50:22] | xris: | Dopy: if it was a legit dvd rip, you'd already have the disk for it. |
| [18:50:32] | xris: | like I said. not something mythtv does, and not something to talk about here. |
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| [19:02:25] | KaZeR: | mmm. what can cause this? Channel(/dev/v4l/video0): SetChannelByString(63), Error: CheckChannel failed. |
| [19:02:34] | KaZeR: | i'm using a pvr350 capture card. |
| [19:02:54] | KaZeR: | i reinstalled the box due to a hdd crash, and tried to restore my DB |
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| [19:15:33] | clever: | xris: lol |
| [19:15:43] | clever: | xris: now that i got the libc6 debug info and am running it in gdb |
| [19:15:46] | clever: | xris: it runs fine:P |
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| [19:42:48] | juski: | evenings |
| [19:52:32] | clever: | juski: guess what? |
| [19:54:25] | juski: | you living up to your nick again? |
| [19:55:21] | clever: | lol |
| [19:55:32] | clever: | my seg faulting problem fixed itself |
| [19:55:37] | clever: | it segfaulted several times in a row so i could reproduce it |
| [19:55:46] | clever: | but libc6 lacked debug info so i installed that |
| [19:55:52] | clever: | and it stoped segfaulting on me:P |
| [19:56:03] | juski: | we call that sod's law |
| [19:56:14] | ** RyeBrye should install libc6 with debug info so that mythtranscode will not segfault on him :) ** | |
| [19:56:32] | clever: | sod? |
| [19:57:01] | clever: | it was the libc6-dbg package on ubuntu for the debug info |
| [19:57:20] | juski: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sod%27s_law |
| [19:57:47] | clever: | also mythtv runs on 128 mb raM |
| [19:57:56] | clever: | :P |
| [19:58:45] | clever: | not shure if the slowness is the 50kb/sec+lag access to mysql+backend or the swaping |
| [19:59:01] | clever: | but i also have gnome and a backend running here |
| [19:59:13] | juski: | clever: get some proper kit, then your troubles will lessen :) |
| [19:59:37] | clever: | im in a hotel 1000 miles from my backend |
| [19:59:39] | clever: | with 1 linux pc with limited ram/cpu/hdd |
| [20:00:01] | clever: | i managed to move a 900mb nuv over the web at 50kb/sec |
| [20:00:11] | clever: | add its folder to the local backends storage dir's |
| [20:00:21] | clever: | and change the hostname field for the nuv in the recorded table |
| [20:00:34] | clever: | so now its using the local version of the nuv and playing fine |
| [20:00:50] | juski: | oo lordy lordy lordy |
| [20:00:58] | clever: | lol |
| [20:01:24] | clever: | i also had toforce a singlehost setting onto MasterBackendIP in te settings table |
| [20:01:33] | clever: | so my host uses a vpn ip instead of the lan ip |
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| [20:07:17] | foxpaul: | hi all. i've just bought a nova-t usb stick, and trying to get it set up in linux. i've put the firmware file in /lib/firmware, and the device seems to be detected properly (http://pastebin.ca/545589) |
| [20:07:38] | foxpaul: | but i'm not sure which option to use in mythtv-setup for the capture device. |
| [20:08:00] | foxpaul: | it's not automatically detected, so i'm not sure if mythtv is seeing it |
| [20:09:38] | Dagmar: | mythtv-setup doesnt' automatically detect much of anything is why |
| [20:09:43] | foxpaul: | any ideas is that log output is ok? i've seen others' logs registering a frontend? |
| [20:10:07] | juski: | foxpaul: you should test the device works in linux before playing with mythtv |
| [20:10:13] | juski: | with kaffeine, for example |
| [20:10:33] | foxpaul: | juski: kaffeine just downloading now – does that auto-detect? |
| [20:10:45] | juski: | or the old school method involving dvb-utils... |
| [20:11:19] | foxpaul: | the only dvb* binaries i have so far are: dvbdate/net/scan/traffic |
| [20:11:41] | foxpaul: | juski: yeah i have that |
| [20:11:54] | juski: | you should be good to take Kaffeine for a wee spin then |
| [20:12:04] | foxpaul: | adapter0/demux0,dvr0,frontend0,net0 |
| [20:12:08] | foxpaul: | juski: ok will do |
| [20:12:10] | foxpaul: | thanks |
| [20:13:26] | juski: | you're welcome :) |
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| [20:36:37] | jason__: | hey guys!? this place pretty active? have mythtv set up on ubuntu, but have some questions about ota hd. Specifically what is a good low-to-mid price range outdoor antenna, and is bad signal strength the reason my channels switch on their own? |
| [20:40:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | jason__: Are you in the us? And are you HD channels all in the UHF range? (Not the channel number, the real frequency assignment) |
| [20:43:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | jason__: Check out Antennaweb.org to see what the channel assignments are. Here's the antenna I use — Radio Shack 15–2160 – Model U-75R — 75 mile range. A little overkil, but for $29.99 it's a great value. (It's also directional..) |
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| [20:45:48] | jason__: | yeah, i got the indoor, terk antenna, but im in an apartment complex, and there is a building right across the way, i only skyline out 20% of my living room glass doors, im hoping if i go outside, i may be able to get a better view |
| [20:46:09] | jason__: | *i only see skyline out 20%... |
| [20:46:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | jason__: What you want to see is the 'frequency assignment' If all are 13+, then it's only UHF frequencies, even if the 'channel' is < 13... |
| [20:46:46] | jason__: | i know at my parents house, with a large antenna on the room, and an amplified signal, i could get pretty good reception |
| [20:49:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | jason__: And this is a directional antenna – it's only going to pick up stations that it's pointed at... But you won't need an amplifier. I don't like the 'unidirectional amplified' antennas... too much interference, haven't had any luck with them myself... |
| [20:50:50] | jason__: | yeah, thankfully, all the major networks are in the same direction. antenna web is a pretty sweet service! |
| [20:51:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A agrees! ** | |
| [20:52:04] | jason__: | so have you ever heard of the channels automatically switching? i think it happens when the signal drops out too much. is this a myth tv setting i have overlooked? |
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| [20:54:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | jason__: No, I haven't... but I suspect it's an issue with your card, not Myth. |
| [20:54:38] | ** J-e-f-f-A but that's just my *guess*, not a professional opinion.... ** | |
| [20:54:48] | Dagmar: | Sounds a reasonable guess to me |
| [20:55:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | jason__: Especially if your signal strength is very weak... |
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| [20:57:31] | jason__: | yeah, hopefully it will go away with better signal, i dont remember it happening on the bigger outdoor antenna.... im using a pchdtv5500. |
| [20:59:18] | jason__: | also, i have a geforce4200 ti, i found in wikis that it doesnt properly do the hardware accelleration, i got a $27 geforce 6200 coming, to hopefully fix this problem. |
| [20:59:44] | jason__: | looking forward to a good mythtv experience, fun project either way. |
| [20:59:46] | Dagmar: | It should do XvMC just fine actualoy |
| [20:59:53] | Dagmar: | ...although it is a bit dated. |
| [21:00:03] | Dagmar: | You'd have been better off aiming for a 5200 if you could find one |
| [21:00:18] | Dagmar: | ...although $27 is pretty damn close to what 5200's go for |
| [21:00:34] | jason__: | better in linux/mythtv? cuz yeah, they were pretty close in price. |
| [21:01:38] | jason__: | it was a fun buying experience. when to online stores and sorted by price, lowest to highest, lol... being a gamer, i dont think ive EVER done that, i usually end up getting the upper mid range cards |
| [21:02:01] | jason__: | funny how cheap video cards get in a few years |
| [21:02:48] | RyeBrye: | I think I have a 6200, I paid around that much for it |
| [21:02:51] | RyeBrye: | it was a fanless one... |
| [21:03:09] | RyeBrye: | Xvmc seems to work fine, but I have only used sdtv |
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| [21:12:21] | ** xris likes his pci 5200.. $20. :) ** | |
| [21:12:38] | jason__: | i imagine the system specs for a backend are pretty low since digital tv needs no major cpu power... it just mostly writes to harddrive. mainly i only have problems watching live tv. recorded programs run pretty smooth, i think its my frontend that is causing the playback issues |
| [21:13:06] | gardengnome: | xris: for your pundit? |
| [21:13:14] | jason__: | /spit geforce4200ti |
| [21:14:09] | xris: | gardengnome: yeah |
| [21:14:23] | xris: | though I'll probably keep it even after I upgrade to a new core2duo box |
| [21:15:13] | gardengnome: | xris: i upgraded mine with a vga->scart cable. now it's not used anymore because i couldn't stand the noise anymore |
| [21:16:19] | xris: | noise? |
| [21:18:00] | gardengnome: | xris: yes, the hard disk and the CPU fan were rather loud |
| [21:19:20] | jason__: | bah, this mythtv project is eating up all my time, im not complaining, but the missus is gonna kill me when she see how messy the new apartment is still... lol |
| [21:19:25] | jason__: | thanks for the help guys |
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| [21:26:18] | jason__: | im pretty sure bandwitdh on g is good enough theoretically... but not sure about IRL |
| [21:26:51] | tgm4883_laptop: | g is good enough for SD |
| [21:27:58] | jason__: | hmm, i was hoping to watch hdtv too. i may just get an n card so i dont have to hear the complaints about wires in the apt... ;-( |
| [21:30:27] | tgm4883_laptop: | g isn't good enough for HD. Maybe theoretically, but once you add overhead and any signal loss it isn't |
| [21:30:33] | tgm4883_laptop: | i have tried |
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| [21:30:50] | tgm4883_laptop: | although you could always try yourself |
| [21:31:04] | tgm4883_laptop: | never hurts to test something |
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| [21:36:29] | jason__: | yup, just wanted to see what i was getting into. |
| [21:36:31] | jason__: | thanks |
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| [21:41:22] | blackest: | anyone got working udev rules for dvb ? |
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| [22:03:42] | chuck: | So I previously had guide info for all channels that I get.... then i ran mythfilldatabase and i lost about half my channels. what would be the best way to figure out if zap2it is busted? or if my computer is busted? |
| [22:05:35] | RyeBrye: | run mythfilldatabase again, probably |
| [22:05:50] | RyeBrye: | and then log into labs.zap2it.com and see what's up there |
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| [22:08:18] | chuck: | i've run mythfilldatabase several times, no luck |
| [22:08:34] | chuck: | where around the site would I check? all i can see is that i do have a linup, and all the channels are selected |
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| [22:12:02] | immolo: | chuck- I have to run --update as well to stop losing channels |
| [22:12:34] | chuck: | immolo: I will try that. thanks |
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| [22:14:57] | immolo: | masquerading is simple |
| [22:15:15] | immolo: | its when you add more rules it gets hard |
| [22:23:10] | clever: | immolo: you know much about iptables? |
| [22:25:52] | immolo: | clever- No, I suck at iptables |
| [22:26:02] | clever: | lol |
| [22:26:09] | immolo: | hence why I know what is easy or not |
| [22:26:15] | clever: | i managed to get a port forwarding rule |
| [22:26:19] | clever: | so if i try to access publicip:22 |
| [22:26:25] | clever: | i wind up talking to privateip:22 |
| [22:26:35] | clever: | but the problem was |
| [22:26:40] | clever: | that only works when on the public side |
| [22:26:54] | clever: | a pc within the lan cant access the forwarded ports that simply bounce back into the lan |
| [22:27:41] | immolo: | heh, I think I know the rule for that but I've had way too much beer to answer it |
| [22:28:08] | clever: | lol |
| [22:28:15] | clever: | my dad is downstairs atm at the open bar |
| [22:28:20] | immolo: | remind me tomorrow and i'll track it down for you |
| [22:28:30] | immolo: | and you aren;t there why? |
| [22:29:03] | clever: | was in the shower |
| [22:29:07] | immolo: | anyway I've got work in 6 hours I need some rest |
| [22:29:11] | clever: | and i never had an intrest in alcohol |
| [22:29:32] | clever: | !age |
| [22:29:32] | clever: | I am 20.210066 years old. (I'll be 21 in 41wks 2days 6hrs 30mins 24secs.) |
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| [22:37:39] | thrall: | Boy, it's sure taking a lot of time compiling mythdvd, mythgallery, mythvideo, mythtv, mythmusic and mythbrowser... |
| [22:38:50] | thrall: | Btw, is mysql the recommended database handler or will postgresql work? |
| [22:39:22] | directhex: | i don't know whether postgres works. mysql is recommended, and potentially the only option |
| [22:39:37] | directhex: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PostgreSQL_Support |
| [22:41:37] | thrall: | I see. Thanks. |
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| [22:56:01] | Aquahallic: | evenin' folks |
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| [22:56:26] | Aquahallic: | /me has been digging and digging and can't find anything on 'WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [22:56:38] | Aquahallic: | anyone seen this?? |
| [22:57:54] | Aquahallic: | I see others with this problem but nothing about where it comes from.. what's giving the error... or any resolution |
| [22:58:02] | gbee: | Aquahallic: it's not an error, but a warning – means that we aren't feeding audio to the sound card fast enough |
| [22:58:24] | Aquahallic: | any way to correct this? |
| [22:58:38] | Aquahallic: | or any culprit? |
| [22:59:41] | Aquahallic: | possibly turn up the latency on the soundcard?? |
| [23:00:13] | gbee: | there is an option for aggressive sound buffering somewhere – might help to either enable or disable it |
| [23:00:24] | Aquahallic: | did that |
| [23:01:19] | Aquahallic: | could it possibly be that the soundcard is an AC97 and doesn't have hardware decoder onboard? |
| [23:01:38] | gbee: | what problems is it causing exactly? I mean it's unlikely to be the source of any problem, but the sympton of many different ones |
| [23:02:00] | Aquahallic: | get a freeze every so often when watching livetv |
| [23:02:55] | Aquahallic: | also I'll get a prebuffer wait timedout 10 times sometimes too |
| [23:03:24] | gbee: | do you get both each time, or does the audio message appear by itself? |
| [23:03:44] | Aquahallic: | one or the other.. haven't seen them together |
| [23:04:29] | Aquahallic: | and I checked the speed of the drive... it's up in the 40 – 50 mb range |
| [23:04:34] | gbee: | prebuffer wait means that the bitrate of the video has dropped below a threshold – it's basically the same as the audio warning |
| [23:04:59] | Aquahallic: | so is that the frontend waiting on data? |
| [23:05:10] | gbee: | yeah |
| [23:05:14] | Aquahallic: | meaning the capture card isn't producing quickly enough?? |
| [23:05:48] | gbee: | no, that's unlikely, but there seems to be a bottle neck there somewhere |
| [23:06:25] | thrall: | how long should the plugins/extensions take to compile on a P4 3Ghz CPU? Starting to think something is wrong with the compile... |
| [23:07:06] | Aquahallic: | well.. while viewing livetv.. I just did a hdparm -t and it says I'm getting about 59 MB/sec throughput |
| [23:07:13] | thrall: | It's been like an hour since I started compiling and it's still not finished... |
| [23:07:27] | Anduin: | thrall: not long |
| [23:07:58] | thrall: | Aquahallic: hdparm isn't that reliable. I prefer bonnie++ since it actually writes a file on the disk. |
| [23:08:19] | gbee: | Aquahallic: I've no clear idea why you are having that problem, I see the same thing here but only when using a remote frontend over wireless and only when there is other traffic on the wireless network |
| [23:08:30] | Aquahallic: | is there any way to test the througput to the video card and soundcard? |
| [23:09:05] | thrall: | Anduin: So there's definitely some problem? |
| [23:09:42] | thrall: | And no, there's nothing else hogging the cpu. |
| [23:09:56] | jams: | thrall- has it been more then 30 minutes? |
| [23:10:30] | gbee: | It's not going to be either of them – it's something between the frontend and the disk |
| [23:10:41] | Aquahallic: | and I get ringbuf errors...:/ |
| [23:11:12] | thrall: | jams: Yes, about an hour. Now it finished... |
| [23:11:35] | Aquahallic: | it wouldnt' be the reiserfs on that disk would it? |
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| [23:12:27] | gbee: | Aquahallic: in TV settings > Playback > Decoder settings – what options appear and what is selected? |
| [23:12:28] | thrall: | ReiserFS was a bad idea with myth IIRC |
| [23:13:53] | Aquahallic: | Preferred mpeg2 decoder = libmpeg2 |
| [23:14:02] | Aquahallic: | aspect override off |
| [23:14:14] | Aquahallic: | pip video location Top Left |
| [23:14:18] | Aquahallic: | that's it |
| [23:14:53] | Anduin: | thrall: when building you should be logging (or teeing), I'd look at that and see what it is doing |
| [23:15:02] | gbee: | hmm, the settings have been moved around – that page now has the "Always stream recordings from the backend" option |
| [23:15:49] | jams: | if he's running .20 that option is not available |
| [23:15:51] | Aquahallic: | I haven't seen that option anywhere |
| [23:15:54] | gbee: | Aquahallic: is there any particular reason for using libmpeg2 btw? I doubt it's connected to these problems, but the Standard decoder is better supported |
| [23:16:13] | Aquahallic: | not really.. should I be using standard?? |
| [23:16:23] | Aquahallic: | or XVMC? |
| [23:17:24] | gbee: | Standard |
| [23:17:37] | Aquahallic: | k.. it's on standard... and I just got the error again...:/ |
| [23:18:53] | gbee: | I'm not quite sure of the reason why we still support libmpeg2 ... some people prefer it, but I don't know the reasons and suspect that whatever advantages it offered the Standard (ffmpeg) decoder has grown to match it |
| [23:19:23] | gbee: | like I said, I didn't really expect it to make a difference, but still work trying |
| [23:19:31] | gbee: | SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value='AlwaysStreamFiles'; |
| [23:19:39] | gbee: | if you can run that query |
| [23:20:01] | Aquahallic: | from commandline with myth running? |
| [23:20:05] | gbee: | I'm not sure when the setting was added, it could have been after 0.20 was released |
| [23:20:25] | gbee: | mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg; |
| [23:20:31] | gbee: | then that query |
| [23:20:57] | gbee: | you may have to change the password according to the one you have set for the mythtv user in mysql |
| [23:21:15] | gbee: | it will be listed in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt if in any doubt |
| [23:21:56] | gbee: | note, no space between -p[password] |
| [23:22:22] | Aquahallic: | if I run SELECT from commandline I get SELECT command not found |
| [23:24:46] | gbee: | you need to enter the mysql command first |
| [23:24:56] | Aquahallic: | k |
| [23:25:10] | gbee: | which starts the mysql client and gives you the mysql commandline |
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| [23:27:15] | nasa: | hi, how do I fix this error? "MyISAM table 'program' is in use (most likely by a MERGE table). Try FLUSH TABLES" I am getting it when I am running mythtv-setup. This error seems to prevent me from saving settings to the DB |
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| [23:28:02] | Aquahallic: | when running the select in mysql it says no database selected |
| [23:28:10] | commander-ape: | hi, i am using an old analog hauppauge theathre tv – card. and i cant get it running under my mythv. its working fine with tvtime and xawtv. When I start mythtv-setup he cant search for channels. whats the problem? |
| [23:28:20] | gbee: | Aquahallic: type "USE mythconverg;" |
| [23:28:40] | gbee: | nasa: "mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg;" |
| [23:28:43] | Aquahallic: | yeah I jsut realized that...:/ |
| [23:29:05] | gbee: | then "FLUSH TABLES;" |
| [23:29:15] | gbee: | quit to exist mysql |
| [23:30:06] | gbee: | Aquahallic: one other thing – the output of hdparm /dev/hda when you get the chance (use pastebin.ca) |
| [23:30:42] | nasa: | gbee: I get this message "Access denied; you need the RELOAD privilege for this operation". If I try and login as root, the same command just hangs... |
| [23:31:40] | gbee: | nasa: hmm, mysql's stuffed – have you tried restarting the mysql daemon? |
| [23:32:58] | nasa: | not yet, will try now... |
| [23:33:00] | Aquahallic: | pastebin is hosed...:/ |
| [23:34:27] | gbee: | Aquahallic: ok, important lines are "using_dma" and "IO_support" |
| [23:35:40] | gbee: | talking about hdparm now |
| [23:36:48] | Aquahallic: | so just do a hdparm -t /dev/h** |
| [23:37:15] | Aquahallic: | ahh.. n/m |
| [23:38:13] | Aquahallic: | IO_SUPPORT = default 16 bit and DMA is ON |
| [23:38:33] | Aquahallic: | that's on both drives... root and my storage drive |
| [23:38:34] | gbee: | nasa: somethings screwy – try DROP DATABASE mythconverg; and start again |
| [23:39:49] | gbee: | switch IO_SUPPORT to 32bit "hdparm -c 1 /dev/h**" |
| [23:40:38] | Aquahallic: | k |
| [23:40:54] | Aquahallic: | should I add those to local.start?? |
| [23:41:01] | Aquahallic: | or is there somewhere else I can load them? |
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| [23:42:53] | nasa: | gbee: Yeah, that did it. |
| [23:43:12] | gbee: | Aquahallic: anywhere will probably be fine |
| [23:43:39] | Aquahallic: | I just added it to autostart and rebooted |
| [23:44:19] | Aquahallic: | what did those mysql commands do exactly?? |
| [23:44:26] | gbee: | make sure it's worked after rebooting – again, I don't know if it will fix it but it should improve hdd communication |
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| [23:45:06] | gbee: | the mysql command would show if the mythtv setting "Always stream from backend" was enabled |
| [23:45:20] | Belboz99: | Hey all, I'm getting a strange error on mythtv-backend |
| [23:45:34] | gbee: | but it's probably not relevant – I'm not sure that setting even existed in 0.20 |
| [23:45:43] | Belboz99: | weird, it's gone now :-O |
| [23:45:57] | gbee: | anyway, it's late here I'm off to bed |
| [23:46:10] | gbee: | good luck to both of you |
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| [23:47:27] | Aquahallic: | ok.. ty |
| [23:47:37] | Aquahallic: | and yes.. it's still 32 bit after reboot |
| [23:47:39] | Aquahallic: | ;) |
| [23:50:31] | gbee: | Aquahallic: if all else fails, you might think about trying one of the recommended filesystems instead of Reiser, it may just be too slow at this type of use |
| [23:51:25] | gbee: | each of the various filesystems have their own strengths and weakness, some are great with large files, others small, some are slower but very robust and vice-versa |
| [23:52:46] | gbee: | and it might especially cause problems in this case if they do things like delayed writes |
| [23:59:00] | Aquahallic: | what's the best filesystem to go with for mythtv?? |
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| [23:59:26] | juski: | Aquahallic: ext3 gave me no problems for over 2 years |
| [23:59:34] | juski: | deletes were slow though |
| [23:59:45] | juski: | now on xfs & it seems great |
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