Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, June 3rd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Fony_Vaio:

doesn't jfs have better delete performance than xfs?

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dunder:

supposedly

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asd:

dudes how do i get the perfect modlines for my tv?

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dunder:

that's why i used it

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dunder:

i tried xfs and had problems, so i moved onto jfs...

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dunder:

starting to wonder if i should just go back to ext3

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dunder:

dunno??

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Fony_Vaio:

dunder: hrm, any specific problems?

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dunder:

it was a while ago, but it was corrupted somehow

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Fony_Vaio:

ic

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Fony_Vaio:

i reckon a lot of my problems may be down to poor reception

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dunder:

?? poor reception?

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Fony_Vaio:

well, i get mpeg artefacts from time to time on most channels

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Fony_Vaio:

some channels are completely unwatchable

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Fony_Vaio:

little high pitched blips in the soundtrack on some chans, too

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Fony_Vaio:

seems to come and go

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hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: yep

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hugolp:

when I was testing mythtv I didnt have signal from the roof antena and that was making mythtv to crash often

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dunder:

yea...i get that too on the lower channels

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Fony_Vaio:

might not help that my tuners are quite old..?

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dunder:

i'm wondering if my cable box has firewire. . .

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dunder:

or my cable company's box has firewire

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hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: my turner is new and that happens

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dunder:

never wanted to pay for digital, but mythtv doesn't look as good as my tv

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dr_willis:

My cable co. box dosetn have firewire.

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dr_willis:

Not that theres much on anyway :)

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dunder:

yea, planet earth, wildboyz, and some stuff on comedy central were the only things i was interested in before

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wasabi:

Recommendations on a good traditional cable tuner?

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dunder:

but i moved and don't get mtv2 & comedy central, tho they're supposed to be adding comedy central very soon

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dunder:

pvr150, pvr350, or pvr500...depending on your needs

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hugolp:

the firewire conections can make the cable box to change channel?

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dunder:

yup

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dunder:

essentially

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hugolp:

thas cool

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dunder:

yup...i asked my cable co if their box had firewire and they wouldn't tell me

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dunder:

son's a pricks

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dunder:

i'll prolly just have to go buy one

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hugolp:

why they would not tell you?

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dunder:

beats me...

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hugolp:

lol

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dunder:

i asked for firewire port, and they prolly thought that was some kinda business secret or somethin'

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dunder:

i think i'm about to go to taco bell...

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dunder:

take it easy, guys!

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asd:

how do i set the time in linux

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hads:

date

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hads:

ntp will help you.

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asd:

strange my xml data is wrong but the time is correct

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Anduin:

timezone is usually the problem

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asd:

seems like the nvida driver isn't working correctly on knoppmyth

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dr_willis:

i had issues with them and the latest knoppmyth and mythdora (well about 3 mo ago)

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dr_willis:

not sure what updates theya re up to now.

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cesman:

would be nive if folks that had issues come to #knoppmyth or report them om the forum....

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dr_willis:

i did mention it some time ago. but i also had identical issues on mythdora. of course Now i got MythTv working on ubuntu.

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dr_willis:

im thinking it was a nvidia driver issue and my specific machine to be honest with ya.

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asd:

i'm using gf4–440se

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** cesman has no issues w/ a gf4 and KnoppMyth **

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Dagmar:

COuld be.

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Dagmar:

Seems that KnoppMyth has a *really* old version of the nVidia driver

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asd:

i installed the new knoppmyth

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dr_willis:

No idea. i dident spend a lot of time trouble shooting it. and then when mythdora had same problem, and my weekend was up. I went back to the older. (again this was several months ago)

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asd:

is mythdora is easier? then knoppmyth?

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dr_willis:

knoppmyth was an easier install

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dr_willis:

Mythdora – ya had to be carefull on the first boot and answer their setup questions right and disable some things – i recall.

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asd:

i'm using xorg nvidia tv out

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asd:

i should of left my old mythtv, i was like 8 months old

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asd:

worded fine

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lin:

is it possible to get the TV to display using opengl? (the menus are already being rendered using opengl after changing the settings)

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cesman:

asd: perhaps if you gave specifics instead of "it doesn't work"

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lin:

is it even possible to render the actual video using opengl?

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dr_willis:

lin, i think my tv out works for me with opengl. at least I think its using opengl. On a Nvidia 5500

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a5benwillis:

is there a key that I can press with the internal player to turn off subtitles?

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dr_willis:

the # key perhaps?

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a5benwillis:

when watching a dvd...

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dr_willis:

or was that for audio tracks

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a5benwillis:

that doenst work lol

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lin:

dr_willis, did you have to use a command line switch/option? or did it default to it? (my video rendering defaults to xv)

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asd:

cesman the nvidia logo isn't coming up

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asd:

it came up with standard xorg file..but it has no options on tv-out

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a5benwillis:

also, you have to enable video output to the tvout. its not on by default nor is it automatically detected.

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** cesman wonder if asd tried the sample /etc/X11/xorg.conf.nvidia.tv.out.sample **

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NobleCommerce:

hey, how can I get video gallery to auto update when i get new files, right now I have to run video manager every time i want it to update

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asd:

yeah set on nviida

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asd:

cesman yeah

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Tanthrix:

asd: Do you see a "Nologo" option in that file anywhere? That would make the logo cease to show up..

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cesman:

yes, it is there

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a5benwillis:

I like to see the logo, lets me know its working :-)

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cesman:

asd: you issues is a non-issue

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asd:

standad Xvmc

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cesman:

the sample does surpress the logo

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dr_willis:

lin, i dident do anything like that. but im not even sure how to check to be sure its doing that.

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Tanthrix:

asd: As I *think* cesman knows what he's talking about, if you would have looked closely at the xorg, you would see something like '"Option" "NoLogo"' which would be a clue as to why the logo is not showing up..

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asd:

the performance on my last mythtv box was ok, i don't get it

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asd:

his right, it is supressed

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Tanthrix:

cesman: By the way, I read your comments on slashdot. I bet the people complaining put their foot in their mouth after you so helpfully responded ;)

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cesman:

:)

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Tanthrix:

asd: So what exactly is your problem then?

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asd:

tank-man it's a little jerky

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asd:

standard xvmc might not be working correctly or the interlaced option

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Tanthrix:

asd: And you're using XvMC as your decoder? Have you tried the regular one?

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asd:

Tanthrix with nvidia card Xvmc is the best

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Tanthrix:

asd: No, actually, it's the worst since it can cause OSD issues, you can only use two of the deinterlacers, no custom filters, etc.. The only thing it *might* be best at is CPU usage, and for plenty of people it doesn't actually make a difference

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Tanthrix:

So, in reality, the *only* possible benefit to using XvMC is decreased CPU usage. All other aspects remain on par or worse off than standard. So unless you actually need it, don't sweat it not working.

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asd:

i'll try the standard one

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Tanthrix:

It's only improved CPU usage on 1 out of 3 systems I've tried it on (and I have verfied that it was being used, and tried both mplayer / myth)

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asd:

still need to get the proper modeline for my tv

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Tanthrix:

And on one of those systems it didn't work on using XvMC just make CPU usage worse!

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Tanthrix:

(Rather, on one of those systems that it did not work properly, it actually made things worse)

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asd:

standard looks better i think

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asd:

i cna't play HD stuff with standard but

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asd:

now to get the modelines

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Tanthrix:

Can I delete recordings manually from the recorded table will that cause problems anywhere else?

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asd:

i have 51cm tube tv, the res is 720x576?

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Tanthrix:

You have a non-HD set?

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Tanthrix:

If that is the case, you shouldn't have to deal with modelines for s-video/composite TV out. At least I never did.

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lin:

is it possible to force mythtv to use a different video driver/renderer? (ie. in mplayer the option would be -vo gl2 instead of -vo xv )

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clever[rev]:

Tanthrix: if you delete from the recorded table the files may still be on the drive waisting space unable to expire

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: No, I meant that I would delete from the recorded table then delete manually. I seem to have a livetv recording from a month ago that won't die.

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clever[rev]:

ahhh

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clever[rev]:

if my backend is crashing from 0 bytes free

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Tanthrix:

I just would rather leave it there though if it will mess up other things

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clever[rev]:

i perfer to just delete the nuv

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asd:

Tanthrix trying to be a perfectioist

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clever[rev]:

and then properly remove the db entrys later

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clever[rev]:

all it does is complain that it cant delete the file itself that way

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asd:

seems like they broastcast in 720x576 50hz here

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Tanthrix:

asd: There's being a perfectionist, and then there's wasting time.

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: Are there any more db entries that reference files other than those in the recorded table? (Or entries that reference info on the recorded table?)

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asd:

Tanthrix trying to make it look the best

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clever[rev]:

only 1 that i know of but better to be safe:P

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Tanthrix:

asd: What I'm saying is that I don't think nvidia makes use of modelines for TV-out

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: Which is that one, just for curiosities sake? ;)

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clever[rev]:

only one i use is in the recorded table

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, ok.

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dr_willis:

for tv out – i though it had options for pal/ntsc/ and hmm thats about it?

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clever[rev]:

for example

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clever[rev]:

select title,subtitle,originalairdate,filename from recorded;

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Tanthrix:

dr_willis: Yah, that's what I thought as well. So asd: Pick the resolution that looks best for menus and video (probably any of them considering SD is so slow to begin with) and be done with it.

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clever[rev]:

shows the name and orig air date and filename of all files

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clever[rev]:

also im recording a show

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clever[rev]:

which is airing on 2 channels

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clever[rev]:

but only 1 has details

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Tanthrix:

clever[rev]: I've been using the newbie way via webmin to view the tables in a spreadsheet fashion. So I see all the recordings I have right now and all the info for each one

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dr_willis:

i was thinking the nvidia cards also scaled down the tv res on the fly. I seem to recall tweaking that a bet however. I am using twinview Monitor+tv

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clever[rev]:

so sometimes the unnamed episodes are dup's of the other channel

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clever[rev]:

so i was using the frontend to rename the subtitle then mysql to update the originalairdate column

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clever[rev]:

a feature id like later but havent found yet

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clever[rev]:

sorting the shows in frontend acording to the original airdate

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clever[rev]:

so the interlaced seasons from 2 channels are sorted properly

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Tanthrix:

I see

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clever[rev]:

like season 3 and 5 where airing side by side on diff channels

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Tanthrix:

What does the "autoexpire" field mean? My LiveTV have "10000" in them, while my regular recordings have 1

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clever[rev]:

so i wind up with episodes of both mixed between eachother

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Tanthrix:

Does higher mean expire sooner?

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clever[rev]:

not shure what the value is but 0 means it wont expire

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clever[rev]:

the 10000 of livetv might make it expire sooner

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Tanthrix:

Must be

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clever[rev]:

i just logged in from a hotel to find 600mb free on my mythtv partition

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Tanthrix:

And that one liveTV from 2 months ago has 10000, just like my other livetv ones. Not sure why it hasn't been deleted.

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clever[rev]:

i had a show in my list which i couldnt delete from mythweb

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asd:

how does one know if a modeline is working

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clever[rev]:

i couldnt set autoexpire

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dr_willis:

67TB and Nothing on... :)

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clever[rev]:

or view its details

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clever[rev]:

wait no

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clever[rev]:

was holding off on the delete to get debug details

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clever[rev]:

dr_willis: lol

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clever[rev]:

dr_willis: free or total?

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dr_willis:

just got me a 500gb drive today. need to add it to my MythTv box.

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dr_willis:

i guess i could do that now. How long do ya think mkfs.ext3 will take on 500gb?

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clever[rev]:

lol

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dr_willis:

vs to how long windows would take? :)

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dr_willis:

30 min?

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clever[rev]:

dont know

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dr_willis:

vs 30 hrs.

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clever[rev]:

depends on the block size i think

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Tanthrix:

Depends on the kind of format, doesn't it? (Quick vs. full)

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clever[rev]:

larger blocks will let you get less block groups

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dr_willis:

can windows even DO a quick format on a newly partitioned drive?

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Tanthrix:

Windows can do any NTFS drive in about 30 seconds with quick format, not sure of ext3 does something similar but I would suspect it.

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Tanthrix:

Of course

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clever[rev]:

i beleive it can

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dr_willis:

is there a quick format option for ext3?

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dr_willis:

Hmm.

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clever[rev]:

ext2/3 needs block group info spread evenly over the whole drive

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Tanthrix:

I would think it would be done by default – there's no reason to do full formats on new drives

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dr_willis:

every time i repartion a drive for windows i seem tor ecall that quick only worked on allready formated inthe past filesystems

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clever[rev]:

but larger blocks means that a single group can cover more space

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dr_willis:

fdisk, make partition, try quick format – i dont think worked.. Not tried lately.

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dr_willis:

may have to try.. or not. :) heh

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Tanthrix:

dr_willis: Nope, I do it all the time. Really it's no different from a full, it just doesn't bother checking every block and setting it accordingly – just marks the range as good to go.

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asd:

HD576i interesting

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dr_willis:

Tanthrix, ok. MS could be a little more clear about that.

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dr_willis:

heh. Now the question is which box toput the 500gb in.

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Tanthrix:

dr_willis: And I'm talking about using "Disk Manager" not commnad line

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dr_willis:

Tanthrix, ok. :)

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asd:

i think that needs to go out via compment

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dr_willis:

gettting larger hd's now moving smaller ones to USB enclosures for extra space. – so some are going to get reformated

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dr_willis:

well bbl

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wasabi:

hey how do you go about getting a datadirect login?

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clever[rev]:

labs.zap2it.com i think

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opello:

you read the manual :)

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wasabi:

Ahh. I signed up on their commercial site.

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wasabi:

oops

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wasabi:

the wiki one?

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Beirdo:

muhahahah

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Beirdo:

Senators are kicking Duck butt tonight

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wasabi:

success

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juski:

mmmm boozy

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Beirdo:

if I weren't so busy watching the hockey game (first one I've seen on TV here!) I might just go and get some Stoli

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wasabi:

okay the pvr150 remote? lirc_i2c or ?

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wasabi:

irc says the kernel is tainted ...

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wasabi:

and device not found catting /dev/lirc

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wasabi:

hmm. not sure the driver sees the device

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Anduin:

lirc_i2c would create the device

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Anduin:

it will print to the kernel log if it finds the device

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wasabi:

says driver registered, but does not print about the device

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wasabi:

lsusb shows the device (without name/text), but I can tell it's appearing because an item appears.

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Anduin:

wasabi: do you have the one with the ir tx/rx?

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wasabi:

Yeah I think so. It has some little attachment things.

[03:40:02]

Anduin:

and that answers it

[03:40:08]

wasabi:

It's new, picked it up an hour ago

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wasabi:

Not supported or?

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kormoc:

wasabi, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/#s1-18

[03:41:07]

wasabi:

oh, great.

[03:42:10]

wasabi:

hmm... got all of that... I'm guessing I'm missing the firmware?

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Anduin:

wasabi: You probably have the MCE version... post your usb device id

[03:42:31]

wasabi:

Yeah, I'm confident I do.

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wasabi:

It says so on the package.

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wasabi:

Fry's did not have anything that said otherwise. =/

[03:43:01]

Anduin:

wasabi: lirc_mceusb2

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wasabi:

I have no such module.

[03:43:15]

wasabi:

What version is it in?

[03:43:16]

Anduin:

You need it

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wasabi:

Looks like I have 0.8.1cvssomething

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kormoc:

you may need to build lirc by hand if your distro doesn't package it

[03:43:38]

kormoc:

it's been in from sometime in the 0.7.x line

[03:44:07]

wasabi:

hmm weird. I have the module source package.

[03:47:05]

cwalv3:

Hey, does anyone know why mythfrontend would keep asking me what language I want to use EVERY SINGLE TIME I start it up? O_o

[03:49:22]

wasabi:

ahh got it. werid debian package

[03:49:28]

wasabi:

have to configur ethe source package to enable the build

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stahnma:

I am using pvr-350 output, and have playback/watchtv issues. The audio is high-pitched and video is choppy. (Mythdora 4.0)

[03:54:46]

Staticwave_Ace:

hopefully there's a lot of ivtv users here, I seem to be having some kind of alignment problem with the video

[03:54:58]

Staticwave_Ace:

example here, http://staticwave.ca/temp/test_1.mpg

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Staticwave_Ace:

the video is shifted up and to the right

[03:55:20]

Staticwave_Ace:

has anyone seen something like that before?

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CWALv2:

I'm using a software tuner card and it always has black bars on every side..

[03:56:19]

Staticwave_Ace:

well its not really a black bar

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Staticwave_Ace:

its like the video source is shifted up and to the right

[03:56:36]

Staticwave_Ace:

because there's no bar on the top, or the right

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CWALv2:

I can't get it to stop asking me what language I want every time it starts.. :/

[03:57:52]

Staticwave_Ace:

CWALv2: does it remember any other settings?

[03:57:56]

CWALv2:

Yeah

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CWALv2:

It just randomly started doing thsi today

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrmm

[03:58:07]

Staticwave_Ace:

so unlikely its permissions

[03:58:09]

CWALv2:

It'd been running fine for a couple weeks

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kormoc:

check your database

[03:58:35]

CWALv2:

Everything else is working fine

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CWALv2:

kormoc: What should I check for?

[03:58:48]

kormoc:

corrupt tables

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erpo:

I need to make the text size in menus bigger. it's hard to see the list of recorded shows when the letters are so small. I've tried setting Setup->Appearance->Font Size to "big" and changing the "small" "medium" and "big" font number to different values, but it seems to have no effect. What can I do?

[03:59:39]

Staticwave_Ace:

same problem here

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Staticwave_Ace:

no idea where to change that

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Staticwave_Ace:

:)

[03:59:48]

Staticwave_Ace:

I just squint

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Anduin:

erpo: fix your dpi

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kormoc:

CWALv2, SHOW TABLE STATUS WHERE Name LIKE 'settings';

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CWALv2:

I get a huge response, what should I be looking for

[04:02:22]

erpo:

Anduin: I get 75 x 75 according to xdpyinfo.

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kormoc:

names that it doesn't say it's corrupt

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CWALv2:

I don't see anything about corruption anywhere

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erpo:

Anduin: So I should set this number lower in order to get the fonts bigger?

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Anduin:

erpo: higher, 100

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CWALv2:

Okay, I ran check table settings; and it says it's corrupt

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erpo:

Anduin: I'll give it a try. Where do I force the dpi for the monitor?

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Anduin:

erpo: many do it by adjusting DisplaySize

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kormoc:

CWALv2, so you might want to repair it, it'll likely store your settings correctly then. If you use the optimize script in the contrib that comes with myth, it'll check all your tables and repair them all for you

[04:06:18]

CWALv2:

Yeah, thanks. :)

[04:06:27]

CWALv2:

Why would it only have problems with the one setting though?

[04:06:30]

CWALv2:

That's a little weird

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Anduin:

erpo: roughly

[04:11:50]

wasabi:

hmm... got lirc working... failing to find out how to make myth use it though.

[04:12:04]

wasabi:

lirc says a client connects, then disconnects.

[04:12:15]

Staticwave_Ace:

Anduin: thanks for the tip, now I can read my OSD

[04:12:22]

Anduin:

wasabi: ~/.mythtv/lircrc map the keys

[04:12:32]

wasabi:

yeah, i copied one of those from the manual

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kormoc:

CWALv2, only the corrupt data in a corrupt table is affected, other settings might be corrupted but set to defaults on each run and thus you never noticed

[04:13:07]

CWALv2:

Ah

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Anduin:

wasabi: I think there is on in contribscripts, it is important that it match your lircd (and that myth is compiled with lirc support)

[04:13:35]

wasabi:

yeah

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CWALv2:

Well that was definitely the problem, all fixed up.

[04:13:38]

CWALv2:

Thanks! :)

[04:14:18]

Anduin:

Staticwave_Ace: Yeah it really is silly, but many people hit that problem.

[04:14:39]

Staticwave_Ace:

its weird, I would expect xorg to choose something suitable for the monitor

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Staticwave_Ace:

although I guess it assumes I'm sitting in front of it

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erpo:

Anduin: Ok, xdpyinfo now shows 100x100 dpi. I see very little change while browsing the media library.

[04:15:09]

erpo:

*very little if any

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Staticwave_Ace:

erpo: are your fonts configured correctly?

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erpo:

Staticwave_Ace: How would I know?

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Anduin:

some themes may depend on fonts that no one would normally have

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Staticwave_Ace:

erpo: whats listed in xorg.conf's font section

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erpo:

Staticwave_Ace: There is no fonts section in xorg.conf

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Staticwave_Ace:

"Files" section

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erpo:

There's one line that says RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm

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erpo:

That's it.

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah you're missing any font info

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Staticwave_Ace:

whats in /usr/share/fonts

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erpo:

Staticwave_Ace: three directories: truetype, type1, and X11.

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Staticwave_Ace:

add Fontpath "$directory" for each of those in the Files section

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Staticwave_Ace:

full path

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erpo:

Staticwave_Ace: No change.

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrmm

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Staticwave_Ace:

what sizes are the fonts in appearance?

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erpo:

small 12, medium 16, big 25

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Staticwave_Ace:

default, alright

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erpo:

Let me be sure I'm being clear about what I want.

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Staticwave_Ace:

whats the theme?

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erpo:

There are seven rows in the media library browser, and the GUI is showing one TV program per row. I want, perhaps, 4 or 5 rows of shows in the media library but with bigger fonts.

[04:23:03]

Staticwave_Ace:

well, thats two seperate settings

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erpo:

The theme is Titivillus.

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erpo:

Staticwave_Ace: Oh?

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Staticwave_Ace:

somewhere there's a setting for that grid...

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Staticwave_Ace:

I saw it today..

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Anduin:

That is just the guide grid

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erpo:

Staticwave_Ace: But the font is small everywhere. I want to have less information shown on all menus in exchange for bigger fonts.

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erpo:

Anduin: How do I set the guide grid?

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Anduin:

erpo: There is a setting, but it isn't the display you are talking about.

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, its not

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Staticwave_Ace:

I was thinking the grid

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Staticwave_Ace:

but he's talking about the recording list

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erpo:

Well, that too. The guide grid's fonts are too small.

[04:25:28]

Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, thats a font issue

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linux2:

anyone here know how i can have my client connec to my remote mysql database server?

[04:25:46]

linux2:

its on the same network

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Staticwave_Ace:

try a different theme, if the fonts clear up, you might be missing the right one

[04:25:55]

linux2:

it just doesn't do what i want it to do. I have checked the settings a million times but it just ignores them and puts in these instead

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Staticwave_Ace:

linux2: put that ip in in myth setup?

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Anduin:

linux2: Yes, just edit ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt (or whatever mysql.txt you want)

[04:26:04]

linux2:

it keeps trying to connect to here

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linux2:

Anduin: i did that

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linux2:

and yet it still does this

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erpo:

So, let me be sure I understand: if I can somehow finagle the fonts to be larger, mythtv will automatically reduce the amount of information shown on each screen to compensate?

[04:26:20]

Anduin:

linux2: then you have multiple mysql.txt files

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linux2:

Access denied for user 'root'@'lappyplus.local' (using password: YES)

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Staticwave_Ace:

erpo: nope

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linux2:

i can only find one

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Anduin:

linux2: ah, yeah, you need to regrant with wider perms, in the main myth docs

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Staticwave_Ace:

erpo: the stuff you're refering to is probably hard coded, if you make them *too* big, it'll probaably overlap

[04:27:08]

wasabi:

Hmmm. SATA DVD drives still seem to be badly supported.

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erpo:

Staticwave_Ace: Well, I'd still like to try...

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linux2:

Anduin: humm... any idea how i could do that quickly

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kormoc:

wasabi, yes, yes they are

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Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: works fine here

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wasabi:

My plextor isn't even see still. It' sbeen a year now. ;)

[04:27:34]

linux2:

and what is the exact page with the docs. i seem to have issues getting to the myth tv page

[04:27:45]

Staticwave_Ace:

erpo: well, try a different theme to see if you're missing a font

[04:27:46]

wasabi:

PLEXTOR DVDR PX-712A

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wasabi:

Sees it as a SCSI device, but nothing creates device files for it at all.

[04:28:12]

Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: have you bugged the kernel devs?

[04:28:19]

wasabi:

No.

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kormoc:

wasabi, do you have scsi cdrom device support in your kernel?

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Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: its not gonna get fixed if you don't tell anyone important

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Staticwave_Ace:

another good question

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wasabi:

Got me. What module?

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linux2:

Anduin: that doesn't help at all

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Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: sr_mod

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linux2:

Anduin: take a look at the error

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linux2:

Access denied for user 'root'@'lappyplus.local' (using password: YES)

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linux2:

root@lappyplus.local

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erpo:

The themes GANT and Retro have the same problem.

[04:29:24]

wasabi:

Hmm. That didn't autoload.

[04:29:27]

wasabi:

sillyness

[04:29:30]

Anduin:

linux2: Yes, you are right, granting to % hasn't worked for anyone...

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Staticwave_Ace:

erpo: you've restarted X and such

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Staticwave_Ace:

right?

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erpo:

Staticwave_Ace: After every change to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, yes.

[04:29:52]

linux2:

thats not an actual vailid domain name to begin that. and it won't accept 10.10.0.160 as another option

[04:30:01]

Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: I don't see why any SATA/IDE drive wouldn't work, provided the interface chip is supported

[04:30:05]

erpo:

Staticwave_Ace: I haven't restarted X each time I change a theme. Is that necessary?

[04:30:17]

Staticwave_Ace:

erpo: no, just after that DPI change

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dr_willis:

Hmm. Im trying to figure out in a directory with some files (who are accidently chmod +x'ed by mistake) and some dirs. whats an easy way to chmod -x the files, but not the dirs in that dir?

[04:30:40]

wasabi:

Hmm. Mplayer says it can't open the device.

[04:30:42]

dr_willis:

Got all these image and video files that are executable. which is annoying.

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Anduin:

erpo: so you are saying that the grant that allows "%" doesn't work?

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wasabi:

dvd -> scd0 was created though

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Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: rights?

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erpo:

Anduin: Wrong person?

[04:31:03]

Anduin:

erpo: Yes, sorry

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Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: try it as root

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wasabi:

ahh might be wrong because udev doesn'tknow

[04:31:24]

wasabi:

Nope, group cdrom.

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Staticwave_Ace:

well, udev works wonderfully when configured correctly, and dreadfully otherwise

[04:31:53]

wasabi:

Won't play as root

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erpo:

Well, thanks for all your help, people. It's time for me to turn in. Night.

[04:32:09]

wasabi:

not sure why though...

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Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: lets see some dmesg stuff

[04:33:23]

Staticwave_Ace:

what does the kernel say

[04:33:36]

wasabi:

give me a sec

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Staticwave_Ace:

oh, and is mplayer attaching to the right device? (use -v)

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linux2:

Access denied for user 'root'@'lappyplus.local' (using password: YES)

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linux2:

why does it say that

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wasabi:

i got it mounted... just not playing yet

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linux2:

instead of root@10.10.0.160

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linux2:

like i have in every file

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wasabi:

end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 14928240

[04:34:31]

wasabi:

[ 8784.799118] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1866030

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wasabi:

Those are spewing by. ;)

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Staticwave_Ace:

thats definitely some kind of hardware error

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linux2:

why won't it listen to its config files and where is it getting the idea that lappyplus.local is a domain name

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linux2:

its annoying the crap out of me

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Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: sounds like you might need to bug some kernel devs *now* :)

[04:35:27]

wasabi:

heh

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wasabi:

how does one bug kernel devs? lkml?

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Anduin:

linux2: use mysql -h hostname -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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linux2:

mysql -h 10.10.0.160 -u root -p

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linux2:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'lappyplus.local' (using password: YES)

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Staticwave_Ace:

wasabi: yes, and you should check the Maintainers file for the SATA guys/list to CC

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Staticwave_Ace:

linux2: its reverse resolving that most likely

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linux2:

i cannot see that anywhere that it would do that

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Staticwave_Ace:

shouldn't the user be mythtv?

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linux2:

10.10.0.160 is a ip address. why would it be reverse resolving it

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Staticwave_Ace:

see, when I see access denied

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kormoc:

wasabi, also what mode is your sata in? legacy or achi?

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Staticwave_Ace:

I see an auth failure

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linux2:

Staticwave_Ace: im just using root now because it doesn't matter

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wasabi:

got me.

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wasabi:

if it asked me I probably did not choose legacy

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Staticwave_Ace:

its in your bios most likely

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kormoc:

wasabi, it's a bios setting, typically defaults to legacy

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Anduin:

linux2: because people like names

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Staticwave_Ace:

kormoc: if he's accessing via SATA, doesn't that imply that its achi mode?

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wasabi:

it would not be recognizing my devices as sd* disks if it was legacy, no?

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Staticwave_Ace:

doesn't legacy emulate an IDE contoller?

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kormoc:

Staticwave_Ace, not at all. legacy uses a wonky per controler driver, achi uses the unified ahci driver, so they're quite different but give the same results

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kormoc:

Staticwave_Ace, yeah, it emulates a scsi device, not a ide

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Staticwave_Ace:

speaking of SATA, I should pull the jumped on my SATA drive to see if my controller can do SATA2

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kormoc:

doesn't hurt

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Staticwave_Ace:

so no one else is having alignment issues with ivtv and a PVR-500?

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kash:

Staticwave_Ace: ask in #mythtv-users

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Sid`:

ore sense now.

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Sid`:

oops

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Sid`:

wrong window

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stahnma:

anybody know the solution to pvr350 out and high-pitched audio?

[05:13:42]

stahnma:

I saw several threads recommending removing video4linux

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stahnma:

and I removed it, but then I could get tv out to work

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linux2:

ok well one problem fixed

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linux2:

now onto the sound

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linux2:

if i use mythfrontend on the server sound comes right through

[05:25:05]

linux2:

if i connect over my network from this machine i cannot get any sound

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linux2:

it says in the log

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linux2:

any ideas?

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Anduin:

linux2: look for some sound daemon that may be using it

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linux2:

Anduin: humm... i can't think of anything that might

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linux2:

Anduin: yeah i can't find anything

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linux2:

Anduin: ok thanks, i got it working

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robbins876:

Anyone here familiar with hellanzb?

[07:07:08]

immolo:

Morning, Anyone know if the lastest nuvexport works with newer versions of mencoder?

[07:27:26]

croppa:

I am haveing a problem I think with the data base

[07:28:20]

croppa:

If I tell the front end to use localhost it works but if I use the ip it doesnt work.

[07:28:51]

croppa:

What do I have to do to fix this?

[07:30:08]

cesman:

I take it the frontend is on the same machine as the backend

[07:30:14]

cesman:

no need to change the IP

[07:30:22]

cesman:

you can level it as 127.0.0.1

[07:32:39]

Dagmar:

Okay. That's fun.

[07:32:57]

Dagmar:

I forgot you have to explicitly activate an lvm group before/when you reboot

[07:33:13]

Dagmar:

I thought the new 500Gb drive had just died and taken all my sh*t with it

[07:33:40]

Dagmar:

croppa: There's a reason for that.

[07:34:00]

Dagmar:

By _default_ for safety's sake, most distros ship MySQL with networking _turned off_

[07:34:34]

Dagmar:

Any MySQL clients that connect to the mysqld do things a little differently depending on how they're told to connect to it

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Dagmar:

If you tell them to connect to 127.0.0.1, they'll use a TCP connection to connect to it.

[07:35:04]

Dagmar:

This is the _very thing_ that is turned off for safety reasons.

[07:35:35]

Dagmar:

If you tell them to connect to 'localhost' they will use a Unix domain socket to connect, which *does* work even when networking is turned off.

[07:37:11]

croppa:

sorry got busy elsewhere............ I also watch on other machines on the network

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Dagmar:

No sweat man. That's basically what my job is (watching a network)

[07:38:16]

Dagmar:

Do you understand now about the reason you were having problems connecting to the mysqld?

[07:38:27]

croppa:

My last install worked perfectly

[07:38:57]

Dagmar:

You actually had things right, just using the IP address to tell things where the mysqld is won't normally work (and isn't optimal in the case of everything on one box)

[07:39:28]

croppa:

I did not think I did anything differently this install

[07:39:40]

Dagmar:

You probably didn't do anything differently.

[07:40:11]

Dagmar:

When one sets up a MythTV configuration where everything is all on one box, the _defaults_ mythtv-setup picks are pretty much the correct ones

[07:40:34]

Dagmar:

I'm betting you just didnt' realize there was any difference in behaviour between using "localhost" and using "127.0.0.1"

[07:40:45]

Dagmar:

It kinda caught me by suprise when I found out about it.

[07:40:52]

croppa:

Mythtv is amazing

[07:41:21]

Dagmar:

I have a local nameserver running here with everything under the *.kung.foo domain, so I kinda lucked out in that I almost always use hostnames instead of IP addresses.

[07:41:25]

croppa:

no I did not realise there was a difference

[07:43:28]

croppa:

before I just put the machine ip in the setup and the same ip and mysql password in the setup of the front end of the remote machine and it worked

[07:43:48]

Dagmar:

You probably had networking turned on then

[07:43:57]

croppa:

This time it says it cant conect to the database

[07:44:11]

Dagmar:

Check yer /etc/my.cnf.

[07:44:29]

Dagmar:

The "skip-networking" token in there is what turns off the use of 127.0.0.1 as a possible option

[07:44:30]

croppa:

hang on phone

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Dagmar:

Unless you're using multiple machines, you really do want that off

[07:45:22]

Dagmar:

I'm a crazy enough bugger that when I get arond to adding more frontends I'll probably set up a VPN in the house and have things talking to it over that, just because I can.

[07:45:40]

scopeuk:

Dagmar if you have crazy bandwidth avaliable go for it

[07:45:56]

Dagmar:

I have 100base-T in the house, and 802.11g on the wireless.

[07:46:11]

Dagmar:

...not like VPNs add that much overhead anyway.

[07:48:57]

Dagmar:

I've been using a VPN over the wireless for awhile now.

[07:49:14]

Dagmar:

God help the poor bastard who cracks my WEP key and then tries to access the internet

[07:50:13]

Dagmar:

...it'll be "Tubgirl Uber Alles"

[07:52:27]

croppa:

I am looking at the /etc/mysql/my.cnf file in my original install

[07:52:41]

croppa:

What do i look for?

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Dagmar:

Depends on what you're trying to find

[07:53:36]

Dagmar:

Is this myth setup all one machine? As in frontend, backend, and mysqld all running on one box?

[07:54:15]

croppa:

all running on one box

[07:54:25]

croppa:

for beside the tv

[07:54:33]

Dagmar:

Okay then you shouldn't have to enable networking

[07:55:01]

croppa:

the frontends on various machines at times around the house

[07:55:04]

Dagmar:

You were saying it would connect to 'localhost' but not 127.0.0.1

[07:55:30]

Dagmar:

If you are going to have multiple frontends, or basically have the frontend running on a different machine, _then_ you have to have networking enabled

[07:55:42]

Dagmar:

...which means you'd yank 'skip-networking' out of the /etc/my.cnf

[07:56:02]

Dagmar:

It should then bind to 0.0.0.0 (any/all interfaces)

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Dagmar:

You can check this with `netstat -tunap | grep mysql`

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Dagmar:

If it binds to 127.0.0.1 explicitly, check the my.cnf to make sure it wasn't being told to do that

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croppa:

just a while while i reset it up and boot it

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croppa:

This does have bind-address = 127.0.0.1 in /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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croppa:

it also has user=mysql

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croppa:

If i changed this to the ip of the backend machine what would happen?

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Anduin:

croppa: It would possibly work, should also bind to all interfaces if you just comment out the bind-address

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Dagmar:

Damn comcast

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Dagmar:

I thought i was about to go offine again

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croppa:

Thanks for your help I will do some testing now

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cesman:

wouldn't be must of a rise w/o him...

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Dagmar:

Considering who you're talking about, there won't be much chance of a _sequel_ if he _does_ appear

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cesman:

compile -fixes compile

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blackest:

hi any udev experts in the house /

[10:02:01]

** gbee wonders if cesman is building a new version of knoppmyth based on the latest -fixes **

[10:02:50]

blackest:

I need to create a udev rule so my dvb-t and dvb-s cards are static

[10:04:02]

Anduin:

blackest: the non spammed ivtv page has the info, one of several places to find the info (how depends on your udev version)

[10:08:20]

blackest:

have you an address for it please

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[10:13:26]

Anduin:

blackest: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto

[10:13:45]

blackest:

thank you

[10:13:53]

** gpd contemplates ordering Asus M2NPV-MX AM2 onboard GeForce6150 with Sempron 3400+ for front/backend with two Nova-T PCI **

[10:18:37]

xris:

Anduin: do you ever sleep?

[10:19:03]

hugolp:

gpd why a sempron?

[10:19:58]

hugolp:

why not a athlon?

[10:20:17]

gpd:

that sempron is only 25 quid

[10:20:34]

gpd:

you think the althlon will be significant improvement?

[10:20:38]

hugolp:

I got a new athlon for 45 euros

[10:20:41]

xris:

gpd: intel graphics onboard generally work ok as long as you don't need tv-out

[10:20:47]

Anduin:

xris: Hey, I know we are in the same time zone

[10:21:01]

hugolp:

thats like 30 quid

[10:21:04]

xris:

Anduin: rebuilding my server. xen is not as cool as you would think

[10:21:07]

hugolp:

and you get a better procesor

[10:21:12]

Anduin:

and I am just one working kernel build away from sleep

[10:21:23]

** gpd checks again **

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** xris wishes he was that close **

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hugolp:

gpd: at least here in spain for the diference in price is worht getting the athlon

[10:22:06]

hugolp:

theres like 5 or 10 euros difference only and you get better procesor

[10:22:10]

gpd:

Of course the X2 3600+ at 45 quid is tempting too: but probably use more power

[10:23:03]

hugolp:

with the new cpu's coming this summer the prices are going down

[10:23:29]

gpd:

hmm. now you are making me think i should just wait and suffer the current system a little more

[10:23:55]

hugolp:

gpd: how much is a athlon in uk?

[10:24:01]

hugolp:

gpd your are from uk right?

[10:24:30]

gpd:

hugolp: yes, UK and AMD Athlon 3200+ 512Kb L2 = 35 inc VAT

[10:25:21]

hugolp:

its up to you

[10:25:31]

hugolp:

but the difference in price is very short

[10:25:45]

gpd:

my plan was to get the cheapest possible right now and then upgrade to an X2 later

[10:25:47]

hugolp:

and you do get a better procesor, check perfomance and decide

[10:26:28]

gpd:

I am under pressure from wife to spend little on this system

[10:26:44]

gpd:

also want to minimize noise / power consumption

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hugolp:

gpd: if you really want to do that get a X2 now. The diference in price its not going to go down so much anymore to justify the 25 quid you spend in the sempron

[10:26:55]

hugolp:

but its up toyou

[10:27:11]

gpd:

this is true :(

[10:27:30]

gpd:

but I just bought a monster machine for my desktop – so this doesn't need to be fast

[10:27:55]

hugolp:

I have an x2 as server and a normal athlon as media player

[10:28:03]

hugolp:

works fine

[10:28:26]

hugolp:

For the price I would get the ahtlon at least

[10:28:45]

gpd:

trouble is that power here is so expensive that leaving on my Core 2 Duo uses up 240W (mostly because of the GeForce 8800)

[10:29:30]

gardengnome:

um

[10:29:36]

gardengnome:

i doesn't use 240W in idle mode, right?

[10:29:50]

hugolp:

do computers really consume a lot?

[10:29:53]

gpd:

sure does — i have the energy plug attached...

[10:30:31]

hugolp:

I allways though that computers consume is ridiculous compared to tv/screens, washing machines, fridge, lights etc...

[10:30:31]

gardengnome:

hugolp: yes...

[10:30:45]

gardengnome:

gpd: that's insane. my core 2 duo uses like 60 or 70W when idle

[10:31:01]

gardengnome:

hugolp: a typical computer will consume between 50 and 150W, i'd say.

[10:31:13]

gpd:

it puts out enough heat to warm the underside of the desk

[10:31:47]

hugolp:

gpd: thats good for uk, you consume less heat

[10:31:48]

hugolp:

XD

[10:31:55]

gpd:

actually 240W is with the 22' LCD on – with that off it is only 200W

[10:32:00]

hugolp:

not so good for here (Barcelona) though

[10:32:22]

hugolp:

with the warm winter we had, this summer can be insane...

[10:32:26]

gardengnome:

gpd: does speedstepping work for you? cat /proc/cpuinfo to find out if they clockdown

[10:32:41]

gpd:

gardengnome: yes, that is all working

[10:32:53]

gpd:

itles at 1600

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gardengnome:

well, those cards usually underlock in 2d mode. mnaybe you need to enable something in the driver?

[10:34:20]

gardengnome:

gpd: how muchdoes it consume under full load?

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gpd:

give me a test to try

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blackest:

join #v4l

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blackest:

whoops

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juski:

heh. doesn't take mcuh to scroll back to yesterday in the buffer here

[11:26:46]

gardengnome:

gpd: i'm using gigabyte at the moment. works for me. :)

[11:28:44]

juski:

gardengnome: done wrestling with it now?

[11:29:09]

gardengnome:

juski: acpi wakeup seems to be working fine now. i dont have to use nvram-wakeup :)

[11:31:47]

juski:

didn't realise there was much of a difference – just found out there is :)

[11:32:14]

gardengnome:

yep

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gardengnome:

/proc/acpi/alarm is less painful

[11:32:31]

gardengnome:

the ubuntu wiki is a good ressource.

[11:33:20]

AndyCap:

juski: you'll smell BO and farts much better, but overall it will be an improvement. :)

[11:33:22]

gardengnome:

you're not getting any younger, huh? :)

[11:33:39]

gardengnome:

what's "BO"? some sort of date&rape thing?

[11:33:44]

juski:

gardengnome: it was a top night. got home about 3ish

[11:33:49]

juski:

BO == body odour

[11:34:05]

gardengnome:

ah

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juski:

AndyCap: BO & farts generally don't make your eyes water :-P

[11:34:28]

AndyCap:

juski: well, that remains to be seen. :)

[11:35:33]

AndyCap:

Happy with the smoking ban here. and the smokers can claim that rugged outdoorsy thing, when smoking outside in winter, at 20 degrees below zero

[11:36:26]

juski:

AndyCap: I prefer to be outside in summer, watching the world go by. smokers are gonna spoil all that. the bastards!

[11:36:46]

PaulWay:

They do that anyway...

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juski:

yeah but they don't do that in the kindof numbers they're going to

[11:37:21]

PaulWay:

I'm happy for them to smokers to consider themselves an endangered species if it means they'll stop stinking up the air.

[11:37:50]

juski:

I'll just carry a bucket of stinky water with me at all times!

[11:39:04]

PaulWay:

Or a handy bit of sulphur and a match.

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blackest:

heres a simple question how do i select composite input from one of my cards in mythfrontend ?

[11:56:52]

xris:

blackest: did you configure it with a source in mythtv-setup?

[11:57:21]

blackest:

no do i need to make one up?

[11:59:52]

blackest:

its not really a channel is it ?

[12:01:07]

blackest:

cool that worked after a fashion

[12:01:20]

gbee:

blackest: you still need to connect it to a source and create a channel for it

[12:02:33]

blackest:

well i created a source called compincar and then i ran mythfrontend and pressed y and it came up (with an audio whine but ...)

[12:03:27]

blackest:

so should i create a fake channel too like 9999 or something like that

[12:03:35]

gbee:

blackest: audio problems can be caused by older versions of ivtv, so might sure to grab the latest version

[12:04:04]

blackest:

i dont think i am using ivtv

[12:04:15]

gbee:

blackest: yeah, means you can schedule recordings on the channel – or hit 9999 in livetv to change to the channel

[12:04:37]

blackest:

ah makes sense

[12:05:11]

gbee:

blackest: ahh, just assumed you were using a PVR 150/250/500 because you said the card had a composite input

[12:05:59]

blackest:

just one thing to figure out now how to use udev to set up two digital cards so they will not swop places on reboot

[12:06:17]

blackest:

every card seems to have comp in

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gbee:

blackest: if you were connecting a STB or similar to the composite input, you could create channels in mythtv for all the ones available on the STB and therefore have proper guide data to make scheduling easier

[12:08:26]

blackest:

so say i had 10 channels i wanted to control i would call them say 9990 – 9999 and then i could get myth to change channels according to which 1 i had selected

[12:08:34]

gbee:

blackest: I've no problems with mine switching places, although I don't think it would matter much for me either because the two cards are functionally identical and it doesn't matter which one gets which address

[12:08:38]

gbee:

blackest: yep

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blackest:

well problem i have is one is dvb-t the other is dvb-s

[12:10:17]

gbee:

blackest: changing the channel on an external device usually requires an IR blaster or serial connection to it, but a lot of people recording from an encrypted cable/satellite source that way :)

[12:10:54]

blackest:

the testing i just did was to add a card using a symlink (car) as the video source and that worked fine i need to figure out what kind of udev rule i need for digital

[12:10:56]

gbee:

you can of course just change the channel on the STB manually, but if you forget then you end up recording the wrong thing

[12:12:12]

blackest:

true i am not keen on analog grabbing with mythtv its going to hammer the cpu and look lousy

[12:13:27]

blackest:

however suppose i have a device which outputs mpeg2 with a device name called mydevice i suppose it should be possible for myth to connect to it

[12:14:23]

blackest:

i have an external usb device which does mpeg2 but it uses a nonstandard driver on linux

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blackest:

i think i'll try that another time more important to me is get dvb-s working

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gbee:

blackest: we recommend a Hauppauge PVR 150/500 for analogue as it's got a built in mpeg2 encoder, so no CPU involved

[12:18:47]

gbee:

but one step at a time

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blackest:

heres a thought suppose you had a program maybe vlc which can output a stream could you pipe the output into myth

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blackest:

anyway i should get back to figuring out how to get myth to scan for sat channels

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gpd:

apart from ebuyer.com and dabs.com: where would you look in UK? [I miss my newegg]

[12:36:22]

frink_:

gpd: www.stak.com and of course pee cee world

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wil:

How can I amke mythtv automatically shutdown after an automatic boot when using ACPI?

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frink_:

i duno

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frink_:

why do you want it to shut down?

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wil:

because I don't want it to be on, all the time

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wil:

It is a waste of energy

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gpd:

can't you just turn off automatic boot?

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wil:

I already have set it up to wake on the next recording, but it doesn't automatically shutdown when it has nothing to do

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gpd:

or do you mean 'some time later'

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wil:

I know why, it is because mythwelcome starts mythfrontend automatically

[12:46:06]

wil:

yes, I mean sometime later when it has nothing more to do

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gpd:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . ext/ACPIWake

[12:46:55]

gpd:

that has a shutdown check and shutdown script

[12:48:00]

gpd:

frink_: ever used misco.co.uk?

[12:48:24]

wil:

I noticed that page, but most of that I don't need to use and now I'm a bit confused on what to do

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Fony_Vaio:

how do i set up a keyboard shortcut for something like getting into the guide? (right now i press m, then select the guide on the menu)

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Fony_Vaio:

i need to have a keyboard shortcut for the guide in order to map a lirc input to it, i think

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tcpsyn:

anyone have recommendations on a storage solution. I've got about 500G used up now, and that's not backed up or raided. I'd like to scale up to at least 1tb..

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Fony_Vaio:

tcpsyn: 320gb drives seem cheap atm. could get a bunch of 'em in raid5?

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tcpsyn:

I've got 5 ide disks, 2x40, 80, 250, and 300G

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wil:

tcpsyn, also check out lvm, If you want to scale up later

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tcpsyn:

Yeah, I'll definatly want to scale up, I'm sure of it

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tcpsyn:

unfortunatly, my backend doesn't have sata or any available pci slots

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wil:

lvm allows you to add drives to partitions and resize them or relocate them etc. without much fuzz

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tcpsyn:

that only gives me 4 ide drives tops.

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blackest:

hoorah sattv and freeview working on my mythbackend :)

[12:53:24]

immolo:

tcpsyn- I've got just under a TB using 4 ides

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tcpsyn:

320g?

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tcpsyn:

in raid 5?

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immolo:

my bad missed the raid part

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blackest:

just one transponder for now but the principle is there :)

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tcpsyn:

yeah, it looks like I'm hosed without upgrading the entire server

[12:55:12]

tcpsyn:

or getting a nas device

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AndyCap:

tcpsyn: if money is no object. :P http://www.magma.com/products/pci/4PCI/

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gbee:

if you're just going to use the storage for mythtv, then forget LVM – svn trunk makes that unnecessary with the concept of storage groups

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tcpsyn:

that's pretty cool, but it's cheaper to just get a new mobo

[13:00:25]

tcpsyn:

gbee, storage groups eh?

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tcpsyn:

what's that about

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tcpsyn:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816152018

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tcpsyn:

this actually looks like the way to go.

[13:03:53]

tcpsyn:

863 for the server, proc, and 4 320g drives.

[13:04:04]

tcpsyn:

bah, but I'd need memory too, of course

[13:04:26]

wil:

gpd:They use MythWakeSet in that page, but that is only needed if you use UTC on the mobo

[13:04:49]

hugolp:

AndyCap: when is money not an object?

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wil:

And I don't do that, so now I need to fix that script so that it doesn't adjust it to UTC.

[13:05:47]

hugolp:

I remember people here about a program that cleans and repairs mythtv mysql database

[13:05:52]

hugolp:

does anybody know?

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tcpsyn:

so the whole box comes to about 1100.

[13:06:29]

tcpsyn:

I can probably swing that.

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Fony_Vaio:

any recommendations over the internal mythdvd player, ie. ogle or xine?

[13:24:22]

Fony_Vaio:

the internal one doesn't upscale apparently, which is why i'm interested in switching

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gbee:

tcpsyn: storage groups are basically a way of defining multiple storage areas – mythtv balances the available space across these areas (drives), recording to each one so that you don't fill one drive whilst another is empty and even allows you to move a recording from one location in the group to another without needing to change it's location in the database

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: internal player is at least as good as either ogle and xine and integrates much better e.g. using the same OSD, playback options etc – but go with xine if you need to use something else

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gbee:

tcpsyn: storage groups also allow to specifiy different areas for different recordings, e.g. you can create a group just for livetv, or one for all your films etc

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: as i understand it, the internal player only outputs at osd resolution? So my options are to either try to make the OSD output at native res (seems to require recompiling of fe), or choose player that does upscale.

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gbee:

it's extremely easy to use and avoid messing about with raid or lvm

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: I'm not sure where you got that impression, I'm not even sure what you mean if I'm honest

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gbee:

OSD isn't relevant to the resolution in any way

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: "MythTV has the option of outputting different video resolutions based on the resolution of the video being viewed. Unfortunately, there is no similar option for MythDVD – the GUI resolution will always be used." http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythDVD

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: that's rubbish afaik – the trouble with wikis

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: hrm, ok. Just that i really want upscaling for dvd playback, is all. :D

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: only way to be sure is to try it

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gbee:

what resolution are you using?

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: 1920x1080

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gbee:

yeah – well it will be upscaled to that

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Fony_Vaio:

sweeet

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Fony_Vaio:

the 360 didn't upscale, that was one of the reasons for building this fe.

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: I'm not sure how it will look at that res, but give it a go and then decide

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: kk, trying now

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gbee:

what that line in the wiki is actually trying to say, is that mythtv can change the resolution used to something other than the native/gui res – e.g. you can tell it NOT to upscale but that you can't do the same for DVDs

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Fony_Vaio:

aha

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Fony_Vaio:

yeah, you're right. i wasn't reading it correctly

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gbee:

re-reading it, I realise that's what it means – which is _probably_ true – we might bypass that resolution changing code for DVDs

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Fony_Vaio:

can i pass any extra options to the internal player?

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gbee:

no

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: internal looks good compared to xine (lots of motion blur, soft), although i'm pretty sure xine must have more setup options.

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gbee:

it's integrated, basically the same player which is used for playing livetv and recordings, so any settings that apply to those also apply to DVD playback

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pigeon:

hmm there's a recording i got here, when i transcode it i gets Transcode failed with status: 235, what does that mean?

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Fony_Vaio:

gbee: thanks, i think i'll stick with internal. It looks fine to me, and i like the fact that it's integrated in terms of osd / navigation, etc

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GreyFoxx:

Analog broadcasts pretty always hve blackborders where they are set out by the cable company

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GreyFoxx:

they expect your tv/output device to overscan and the borders will be past the visible edge of the screen

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AndyCap:

any possibility of cropping it out?

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GreyFoxx:

I believe there is a crop filter, but I have never tried using it as I want my output to match as close to the original as possible

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** AndyCap goes digging in the ivtv wiki. **

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GreyFoxx:

the filter I'm referring to is a playback filter in myth. dunno if ivtv has anything

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gardengnome:

i'd just zoom in

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AndyCap:

probably better to "nip it in the bud"

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GreyFoxx:

why are the borders a problem? Playing back on a PC monitor or something ?

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AndyCap:

Yep. :) and on a future lcd panel there won't be any overscan either. But hopefully I'll have most of the channels from a dvb-receiver instead by then

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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bjweeks:

I'm having a problem with flickering and shaking while watching live TV inside Myth. I have tested playing live TV in mplayer and it works fine. The box is running Ubuntu 7.04 using the repo package of Myth (svn of .20 fixes) with a PVR-150 connected to an antenna. Haven't found anything on the wiki or Google, any ideas?

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Fony_Vaio:

bjweeks: played with the video / deinterlacing options?

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AndyCap:

from slashdot: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=855576

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bjweeks:

Fony_Vaio: I have deinterlacing running on Myth, yes

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wil:

Hi, I am following this howto:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Inst . . . ext/ACPIWake

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wil:

And I got ACPI wakeup to work (without using the MythWakeSet script

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wil:

But I need to create a MythWakeSet script, because else mythtv won't automatically shutdown when it idle when it isn't booted manually

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AngryElf_:

I can't get my IR Blaster working on either COM port — I've done the following install procedure and tried the irsend with the blaster connected to both ports, does anyone see something I could do differently? Thanx!! http://pastie.caboo.se/67437

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lin:

is it possible to force mythtv to use a different video driver/renderer? (ie. in mplayer the option would be -vo gl2 instead of -vo xv )

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** eidolon is preparing to uncrate and restore a knoppmyth box that hasn't been touched or powered on in almost a year. **

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gpd:

What do we think of the Intel 950 onboard graphics mobos?

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gpd:

lin: can't you just set the command line for mplayer (mythvideo) in the settings?

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lin:

gpd, i am refering to mythtvs video not mplayers, I was using mplayer as an example of what i need, sorry for the confusion

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eidolon:

hey anyone know what the current state of using a mythtv box with something like comcast digital cable? are we SOL?

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dr_willis:

eidolon, if your cable box has a firewire port you may be lucky

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dr_willis:

but in my area – we dont.

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** eidolon nods. **

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eidolon:

lemme look

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eidolon:

i have a Motorola 'flat black' sort of tuner now... no fw port, but i haven't jumped to HD yet.

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eidolon:

(even though I have an HD display)

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anykey__:

hm, why would mythweb not display all channels? (SVN)

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phil___:

ls

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dr_willis:

yea he does good info

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AndyCap:

I think it has gone beyond just tom these days. :P

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gpd:

those energy efficient AM2 chips are interesting

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Philyboy:

AndyCap: What do you mean it has gone beyond Tom.

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gpd:

when on 24/7 that makes a big difference

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ramatieg:

Do hardware MPEG-4 (H.264) decoders exist for PC?

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Philyboy:

gpf how is AM2 more efficient than CoreDuo2

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gardengnome:

Philyboy: by using less power when idle.. although i'm not sure how those new c2d steppings compare to amd cpus

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Philyboy:

gpd: I wan to built a new system (quiet forntend) and less thermal heat = quiet is AM2 more efficient than COreDUo

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gpd:

that seems to be what Tom and the gang say in that article

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kormoc:

Philyboy, http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36446

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gpd:

The energy efficient ones use 35W it seems

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kormoc:

22w when idle vs 7.5w

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Philyboy:

gpd have a look at http://www.answers.com/topic/cpu-power-dissipation

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Philyboy:

gpd: I am actually using a celeri because of small power requirements

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kormoc:

tho in my mind, 22w for a core 2 duo is a no brainer :P

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gpd:

where are you getting 22W for C2D?

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kormoc:

whoops, 12w idle

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gpd:

I have an E6600 that runs at 65W

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kormoc:

gpd, the link I just posted

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kormoc:

gpd, that's under load

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kormoc:

gpd, http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36446

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gpd:

well the C2D are much more $$$

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kormoc:

or a fanless videocard

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kormoc:

onboard doesn't really change things much

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gbee:

ramatieg: no, not as far as I know

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Philyboy:

kormoc: I use FX5200 fanless for now

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kormoc:

I have a fanless 6200 in my box currently

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ramatieg:

gbee: :(

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gpd:

with that mobo you are buying into old tech though

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gpd:

or do you have old stuff to transfer?

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Philyboy:

I also ne mATX for my current HTPC case

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gpd:

kormoc: by old tech I mean AGP and DDR1

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Philyboy:

I also need mATX for my current HTPC case

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gardengnome:

dude

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gardengnome:

that CPU is called "core 2 duo"

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gardengnome:

just a quick FYI ;)

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Philyboy:

gardengnome: sorry

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kormoc:

so far it's been called "CoreDuo2", "COreDUo", "C2D", "core duo 2", "DUOCORE 2"

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kormoc:

and the last one was yelled at us no less!

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gpd:

kormoc: do you work for Intel?

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** gpd runs **

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kormoc:

gpd, nopers.

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kormoc:

gpd, typically someone just gets it wrong and sticks to a single wrong way to say it, I'm amused that Philyboy just kept switching it up wrong time and time again

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Philyboy:

gpd: have a price on the 3800+ EE SFF

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dr_willis:

its C*2*D* :)

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dr_willis:

oh wait thats not the right regrexp..

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gpd:

Philyboy: yes, more expensive that I thought :( 70GBP inc VAT

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jduggan_:

which socket?

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Philyboy:

anyway I<ve got a question regrding the backend what is your longest up time for the backend I can<T seem to get more than 24 hours

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gpd:

jduggan_: AM2, Philyboy long time: what is the cause of going down? spontaneous reboot or crash?

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Philyboy:

I get a message in the log ythSocket(895b3f8:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

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GreyFoxx:

my backends get restarted once a week since I updatge my SVN once a weeek, but my dads backend has been about running since just after 0.20 came out last sept

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Philyboy:

I use monit to monitor and fire the process backup

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Philyboy:

This seems pretty random

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GreyFoxx:

You could always do adebug compile and run it under gdb to get a backtrace

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Philyboy:

I also get: Event socket closed. No connection to the backend. seems to be a nwtwork issue. MySQL is running!

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GreyFoxx:

and depending on what version you are running you can update that too

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FunkyELF:

whats up guys....any xbmc users here?....not necessarily as a mythtv front end but just users in general?

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Philyboy:

GreyFoxx: And who is going to analyse the backtrace I;m not a programmer

[16:08:19]

GreyFoxx:

Philyboy: Normally once would send the backtrace, any output logs and a description of the problem to the bug tracking system

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Philyboy:

I also get @error encoutered displaying mythtv@ on the frontend at every hour or show end. I<m using dvb anyone know how to resolve this

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kormoc:

@error? displaying mythtv@?

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eidolon:

wow. this is a sad day. powered up the myth box after a year of inactivity. "HOLY CRAP IT BOOTED!"

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** eidolon worries :) **

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Philyboy:

kormoc: sorry french keyboard: "

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Philyboy:

kormoc: sorry french keyboard: "error encoutered displaying mythtv"

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JoeyJoeJo:

does anyone know if the via xorg driver supports overscan when using s-video out?

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** gpd orders, moves on **

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Philyboy:

gpd: Has got a lot of money

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gpd:

not too bad, still comes in under the price of a TV recorder here (~180)

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JoeyJoeJo:

what refresh rate should I run X at for a rear projection tv? 60hz?

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Philyboy:

JoeyJoeJo: what input does your tv have

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JoeyJoeJo:

svideo

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Philyboy:

JoeyJoeJo: your s0video output from your card will do the correct conversion.

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok

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Philyboy:

JoeyJoeJo: all you havbe to set is for NTSC if in america

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JoeyJoeJo:

sweet, thanks

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juski:

JoeyJoeJo: 720x480Noscale for NTSC & 720x576Noscale for PAL are valid modes for Via TV output :)

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juski:

JoeyJoeJo: http://wiki.openchrome.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=TVOut

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doschdn:

hi. how can i tell mythtv to refresh the EIT?

[16:36:12]

juski:

doschdn: it happens on the fly

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juski:

doschdn: you can't force it

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juski:

if you use 0.20-fixes before a recent version you will not get EIT data if you imported a channels.conf file instead of scanning

[16:37:03]

doschdn:

i had problems with my timezone and thus all times were +2h. now i fixed it but the times of the EIT aren't refreshed yet :|

[16:37:27]

juski:

you just have to wait until they are

[16:37:33]

doschdn:

hm okay, thanks

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gumpish:

=/ I have an account set up with zap2it (and a lineup created), but nothing happens when I hit Fetch Channels from Listings Source...

[16:40:42]

juski:

gumpish: how do you mean – nothing happens?

[16:41:03]

gumpish:

No channels are added.

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juski:

I imagine not much will happen in terms of channels being added to mythtv until you run mythfilldatabase for the very first time.

[16:42:13]

gumpish:

Also there is absolutely no feedback from the interface that anything has happened.

[16:42:49]

juski:

gumpish: setting up mythtv is wholly reliant on the user reading some documentation

[16:43:11]

gbee:

and electricity

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Philyboy:

gbee: and some key punching

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squish102:

and lots of luck

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juski:

losing patience comes before key punching

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juski:

and luck just doesn't come into it at all

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NewCastleScott:

Hello all,Im receving a seg.fault in my backend as well as the front end from time to time.It related to /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15. anyone know how to resolve this?does

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juski:

not qt 3.3.8 is it by any chance?

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NewCastleScott:

Im thinking its from sql but Im now beaing told it could be from myth?I dont know whare to turn to figure it out...its been a 3 day project

[16:54:08]

juski:

what you need is a backtrace

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NewCastleScott:

for shure

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squish102:

does anyone run a frontend on a different machine from a backend?

[16:55:47]

juski:

arghhhh I'm a pale imitation of myself today. can't do 2 nights out in a row without it killing me

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gbee:

NewCastleScott: what version of mythtv are you using?

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juski:

squish102: no, nobody has even attempted such a reckless thing, not ever. not even me!

[16:57:01]

squish102:

i wanted to know if there was some documentation on probably having to do nfs mounting or something, so that the dvd ripping works from the frontend

[16:57:16]

squish102:

but cannot find it in wiki

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kormoc:

squish102, google

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squish102:

and do ppl do the nfs mounting when separating back from front

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kormoc:

some do

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juski:

you can't do dvd ripping on a frontend if your friendly local neighbourhood packager dude hasn't included the necessary stuff with mythfrontend as dependencies

[16:58:34]

gbee:

squish102: I don't bother, but then I'm not ripping DVDs or using mytharchive

[16:58:41]

squish102:

im still testing

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juski:

squish102: network shares are the only way to get mythmusic, mythgallery & mythvideo to work on frontends as well as backends

[16:59:04]

squish102:

well i want to put all my daughters dvd's available for instant gratification

[16:59:07]

juski:

i.e. to see the same content on all machines

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squish102:

ok let me figure out nfs mounting

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gbee:

juski: heh, that reminded me – of course I use NFS for mythmusic

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squish102:

nfs > samba?

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gbee:

squish102: infinately

[17:00:14]

dr_willis:

for linux to linux – yes

[17:00:19]

squish102:

ok thanks

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gbee:

but if you want to share with windows machines you need samba

[17:00:29]

juski:

figure out? edit /etc/exports. edit /etc/fstab on the remote machine. make sure you've got portmap running at both sides, job done IIRC

[17:00:55]

Fony_Vaio:

just been playing around with mplayer -vf yadif to de-interlace. Seems to work very well. Are there plans to get such a filter into mythtv?

[17:01:02]

gbee:

even easier with some distros as they include wizards for sorting out nfs shares and mounts

[17:01:34]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: who knows? nobody who doesn't keep up to date with the -dev or -commits list will possibly have a clue what's likely to appear

[17:01:39]

gbee:

e.g. Drakconf on Mandriva (aka Mandriva Control Centre)

[17:01:52]

dr_willis:

yea – getting where telling someone the 'old-skool' way to do somthing gives you blank stares. :)

[17:02:09]

juski:

dr_willis: and that's somehow meant to be a good thing?!

[17:02:10]

juski:

pfft

[17:02:14]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: ic. Would be nice to see a really good deinterlacer.

[17:02:37]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: bob is very good. absolutely perfect for me. haven't seen a single interlacing artifact on my frontend – not ever!

[17:02:44]

squish102:

gbee mythdora on both machines... so it is FC6

[17:03:14]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: and if you use a nvidia TV out, oh boy – just turn on the flicker filter & crank it up to half – looks *superb* without any deinterlacer!

[17:03:39]

gbee:

knowing the old-skool ways is valuable, but doing everything that way when it's often quicker and easier to use the tools provided is just idiocy :)

[17:03:45]

juski:

and FYI no it doesn't overly soften the image. still looks nice & crispy ;)

[17:03:59]

gumpish:

"On the connection pane there is a "Scan for channels" button, if you are configuring a digital source such as a DVB card, you need scan for channels and you must do this before pressing the "Fetch channels from listings source" button." — why? :p

[17:04:08]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: i used to use tv-out, so i never had any problems (interlaced crt). But now i'm going out over dv-i to hdmi on a panel, deinterlacing has become a pain.

[17:04:48]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: bob works great for me. always has. I think myth has more of a problem determining what's interlaced & what isn't

[17:04:57]

gbee:

juski: any idea off-hand which cards the filter works with?

[17:05:14]

juski:

gbee: gf4 and above AFAIK

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Philyboy:

Fony_Vaio: Try to use kerneldeint=7 in the custom pane works better than bob for me

[17:05:24]

juski:

if it appears in nvidia-settings go for it

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gbee:

juski: thanks, never noticed in it nvidia-settings but that doesn't mean it isn't there ;)

[17:05:59]

juski:

ah. this is why I'm sweating my bits orf. it's 30 deg. C in here

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jduggan_:

juski: lol :)

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jduggan_:

its been a muggy day today

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gbee:

juski: that's why I'm outside

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juski:

I could be outside with beer. laptop & long network cable!

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** juski once again proves just how 1.0 he is! **

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gbee:

;)

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gbee:

wireless, with a salad and beer :D

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dr_willis:

Veggie!

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dr_willis:

and i bet its some fancy Micro-Brew!

[17:07:43]

gbee:

chicken salad ;)

[17:07:48]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: see, linear blend looks better to my eyes.

[17:08:23]

Fony_Vaio:

i notice there's a custom filter box in the prefs. where can i get a list of custom filters i can apply?

[17:09:06]

gbee:

dr_willis: but yeah, you are right about the beer

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gbee:

well, close enough

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gbee:

Knowle Spring Brewery, Keighley

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gbee:

I'm assuming that's Leinbhhhhhjjjjjjjj

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gbee:

er, kitten

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Fony_Vaio:

nm found it http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_playback_filters

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gbee:

assuming Keighley in West Yorkshire, up by Skipton – label doesn't actually say, but I know Skipton reasonably well

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Fony_Vaio:

i found a mplayer filter which works very well on dvd's http://guru.multimedia.cx/deinterlacing-filters/

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juski:

wireless schmireless

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Fony_Vaio:

reckon it'd look real good on live tv

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juski:

15m rj45 patch cable, ftw!

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juski:

keeping it 1990s

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** juski is now in the garrrrdin! **

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juski:

how very civilised this is :)

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** gbee waits for juski to trip over the cat5 **

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juski:

I could put an outdoor rj45 socket on the patio!

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gbee:

heh

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juski:

but the squirrels might start stealing my bandwidth

[17:16:09]

RaYmAn-Bx:

firewalls!

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gbee:

with real fire!

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juski:

RaYmAn-Bx: to keep the squirrels out of thegarden?

[17:16:34]

RaYmAn-Bx:

if you have any sort of wireless, they might already be stealing your bandwidth!

[17:16:38]

RaYmAn-Bx:

juski: exactly!

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RaYmAn-Bx:

or in..but certainly not comfortable!

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Hoxzer:

:D RaYmAn-Bx that sounds paranoid

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juski:

the original 'walled garden' approach

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** RaYmAn-Bx ponders if Hoxzer is one of them **

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Fony_Vaio:

juski: lol @ walled garden

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juski:

wow. the unprotected mythbox is still online

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juski:

free (though lame) porn & still it continues

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juski:

this is gonna be interesting. stream dr who &watch it here

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** gbee is fighting a losing battle to keep the kitten off the table **

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wasabi:

heh

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wasabi:

kittens are funny.

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** wasabi throws his **

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** dr_willis huffs kittens **

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juski:

no way! IE6 still needs you to do 'http' for ip addresses.lame

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wasabi:

... why is that a suprise?

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juski:

I dunno. not used it for ages

[17:22:29]

wasabi:

... also who cares?

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gbee:

people who type in IP addresses frequently?

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juski:

confrontational fella eh?

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mchou:

juski: where is this unprotected mythbox?

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juski:

mchou: think about it. where else would it be?

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gbee:

the mention of unprotected porn eh?

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dr_willis:

Hmm...

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mchou:

no, unprotected box

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mchou:

better than pr0n:)

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dr_willis:

Ok. Unprotected Porn – brings up some.. odd visions

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juski:

not on port 80, no

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dr_willis:

:)

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mchou:

maybe it's just a honeypot

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juski:

dr_willis: odd visions..of what? the opposite? remembering which is the norm...

[17:25:31]

dr_willis:

i wonder what Protected Porn would be,

[17:25:35]

eidolon:

hmm, in mythgames, how do you mark something as a 'favorite' ?

[17:25:38]

juski:

mchou: you giveme way too much credit :)

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dr_willis:

people covered in Latex?

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

ppl now will do pron in oxygen masks

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mchou:

you know there is risk of TB and all

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dr_willis:

Saran Wrap

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RaYmAn-Bx:

mchou: just a guess, but I somehow think that already exists =P

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dr_willis:

Im reminded of that Nakde Gun scene. with the Full body condoms.

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mchou:

RaYmAn-Bx: of couse oxgen masks already exist. dont be silly :)

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juski:

anyway maybe I should delete some of the recordings – even the tamer stuff is illegal in some US states

[17:27:28]

RaYmAn-Bx:

mchou: pfft =P

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Fony_Vaio:

strange, there seem to be a few mythweb installs without .htaccess protection around

[17:27:32]

kormoc:

juski, is it the often talked about open one?

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juski:

kormoc: yeah

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kormoc:

yeah... he's even been emailed bout it

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juski:

I'll have some cleaning up to do on the machine before I cart it to LRL

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mchou:

so nobosy has any issues with mythfrontend sge faulting on exit?

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mchou:

nobody*

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mchou:

seg*

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juski:

mchou: sometimes. I don't usually care since I'm closing it anyway

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Fony_Vaio:

found another one

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Fony_Vaio:

glad to see americans have to deal with as many crap programmes on their listings as us in the UK :D

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gbee:

mchou: bug in QT 3.3.8

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mchou:

juski: may it leaves all sorts of uncleaned contexts

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gbee:

and it doesn't do any harm

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mchou:

gbee: is this documented or discussed somewhere?

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gbee:

discussed at length on the -dev list and I've got the QT bug url somewhere

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juski:

it's nowhere near as bad as allowing the partition where the db lives to get full

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mchou:

juski: dude, that's operator error

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juski:

minor corruptions I can live with :)

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gbee:

http://trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker/i . . . mp;id=154194

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mchou:

gbee: ok, thanks

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Fony_Vaio:

i have a small problem with some menu screens within myth having very small corruption (like a little garbled colour on one line or something) when the screen refreshes the menu it goes away. something to do with the painting of the menu's?

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gbee:

oh good, they've fixed it – now just have to wait for 3.3.9 to be released

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: clear the theme cache dir

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mchou:

gbee: ok, it's at least good to know

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** eidolon doesnt' trust it. **

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gardengnome:

juski: have you got a laptop now?

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gbee:

had to bring the laptop inside – battery is flat

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juski:

gbee: anyway I watched that Panorama about wifi.I'm not gonna let my loved ones get fried by INVISIBLE DEADLY RADIATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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gbee:

I'm going back outside

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Fony_Vaio:

found another open mythweb

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gbee:

juski: ROFL

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Fony_Vaio:

shouldn't we try to contact these ppl to tell 'em their myth installs are open?

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Fony_Vaio:

juski: kk thanks i'll try it

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gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: why? free slave backendsb ftw!

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: what I've done in the past is put some obvious URL requests in which'd hopefully appear in their logs – sometimes the only way to bring their attention to it

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gardengnome:

juski: do you think these people really watch their error.logs?

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mchou:

juski: those ppl dont read their logs

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Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome: lol – yeah but like one guy here has mythgallery with all his personal pics on it (from what i can see of album thumbs, anyway). surely he doesn't want this world viewable? :P

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janneg:

juski: no one read log files

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juski:

yeah I realise that but what else was there to do?

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juski:

valiant effort:)

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gbee:

juski: very scientific that one was – but what do we expect in a country where things are repeatedly sold or maligned on the basis of scaremongering :(

[17:34:37]

juski:

or you could just pwn their box good & proper. that'd teach em

[17:34:39]

janneg:

rename channels to your_mythweb_is_open

[17:35:15]

juski:

janneg: or ju5k1-r0xx0r5!!!!!!

[17:35:36]

Fony_Vaio:

wow this guy has all the channel icons, looks so cool.

[17:35:50]

juski:

gbee: get Jeremy Vine to shout the programme introduction at the top of his voice!

[17:35:57]

juski:

be afraid!

[17:36:50]

juski:

or as we call him here.. Jeremy Whine..:-P

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juski:

wow. I should've cranked a can or 2 open much earlier. I feel amazing now

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** directhex throws beer at juski **

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gardengnome:

beer o/

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** Fony_Vaio looks over at his beer fridge... empty. ;-( **

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directhex:

rain? :

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directhex:

:o

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juski:

manchester innit

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gbee:

eep, guess that rain will be over here soon enough

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Intelligitimate:

I would like to build/purchase a Linux computer (Ubuntu) that doubles as a DVR, but I

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directhex:

it's grim oop norf

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Intelligitimate:

I'd like to minize costs. Does anyone have any hardware recommendations?

[17:51:45]

juski:

hmmm seems to have stopped now. I just know as soon as I get the laptop again it'll start

[17:51:59]

Philyboy:

Fony_Vaio: I did not know that mythweb had a mythgallery interface

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kormoc:

Intelligitimate, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recommended_Hardware

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Intelligitimate:

Thank you, kormoc.

[17:52:26]

Fony_Vaio:

Philyboy: neither did I. That guy's mythweb looks nicer than mine. :|

[17:53:22]

Philyboy:

Fony_Vaio: do you mind sending me the link I just fund a 12 mythweb box using google

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Fony_Vaio:

lol

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Philyboy:

Fony_Vaio: intitle:Welcome to MythWeb

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juski:

it's hardly showing the world how friendly the mythtv community is by publishing details of unprotected boxes

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Philyboy:

juski: agreed but I,ve never seen or heard mythweb galery interface

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juski:

Philyboy: try jusftp.no-ip.org:8080 in a couple of minutes

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Intelligitimate:

kormoc, this seems interesting, but I will be having a Satellite setup (Direct TV) at home, and the website has no recommendations. It also has no recommendations on processors, RAM, HD size, etc.

[17:55:24]

kormoc:

Intelligitimate, yeah, it needs exapnded a bit...

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Philyboy:

juski: is this your box

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juski:

Philyboy: yeah my dustbin

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kormoc:

Philyboy, Fony_Vaio, that's cause mythweb doesn't have a gallery module. there's 3ed party patches for it tho

[17:56:15]

juski:

mythweb doesn't do mythgallery? not even in svn? doh!

[17:58:11]

Intelligitimate:

How much space does a single show/movie take up?

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Fony_Vaio:

juski: looks better than mine, is there a theme or something i'm missing?

[17:58:29]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: I'm running svn head as of last week-ish

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juski:

Intelligitimate: you should have read the channel faq :)

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kormoc:

Intelligitimate, depends on the quality you record at. typically is around 1.2 gig/hr, can be a few gig a hour to a few hundred megs

[17:58:48]

kormoc:

and by typically I mean by default

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Philyboy:

Intelligitimate: typically 1 G/H on good quality recording

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Philyboy:

juski: what version of mythweb are you using

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juski:

I just said!

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Intelligitimate:

Are there are limitations when doing this with a direct TV setup? How many channels can I record at once?

[18:00:35]

juski:

Intelligitimate: you can record one channel at a time from the output of one directtv box

[18:00:57]

Intelligitimate:

So it's not as good as with cable, I take it?

[18:01:06]

juski:

there is NO legal way to record Direct TV directly into MythTV

[18:01:16]

juski:

Intelligitimate: cable is the same just about

[18:01:35]

juski:

one tuner per show you want to record, or one firewire input per show you want to record..

[18:02:09]

kormoc:

Intelligitimate, it's the same as digital cable

[18:02:11]

Fony_Vaio:

phew, that could make a triple tuner setup expensive... renting 3 boxes off the cable company.

[18:02:40]

kormoc:

Intelligitimate, now analog cable doesn't have the tuner box restriction and thus yes, you just need lots of cards and you'll be fine

[18:02:56]

Fony_Vaio:

virgin keep harassing me to go on their tv service, but it seems pointless unless i have control of the content they're providing.

[18:03:12]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: it IS pointless. we're gonna dump them

[18:03:15]

Intelligitimate:

Hmm. What about auto-changing channels with the Direct TV setup? Could I just put a channel and time in, and it will automatically record that for me?

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kormoc:

Intelligitimate, as long as you have a ir blaster setup correctly, yes

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Intelligitimate:

What is an IR Blaster?

[18:03:42]

juski:

Intelligitimate: are you averse to reading FAQs?

[18:03:54]

Intelligitimate:

No. Please point me in the direction of one.

[18:03:56]

jimbalaya:

i have a hauppauge150 card, with the IR remote ... i've got a nicely working MythTV system, and now I'm just trying to smooth it all out – the main problem right now is my remote's responsiveness (or, rather, the computer's responsiveness to my remote) ... is this entirely dependent on the lircd.conf file?

[18:04:08]

kormoc:

Intelligitimate, it's a device that runs from the mythbox and emulates a remote and thus myth can control the receiver box

[18:04:18]

kormoc:

jimbalaya, yes

[18:04:19]

Intelligitimate:

Interesting.

[18:04:35]

juski:

Channel FAQ wiki at http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/

[18:04:43]

Intelligitimate:

Thank you.

[18:04:53]

jimbalaya:

what i get is, a few button presses on the remote work *perfectly*, very responsive and almost TOO quick ... but then i randomly have to press a button 2–4 times in order for it to work

[18:04:54]

kormoc:

Intelligitimate, as for FAQ's, mythtv's site is full of docs, as is the wiki. the topic is full of links to things...

[18:04:54]

juski:

you should have seen that as you came in

[18:05:23]

kormoc:

juski, people don't read topics, flat out, they just don't

[18:05:24]

Intelligitimate:

I did, I guess I just overlooked it.

[18:05:58]

Intelligitimate:

"Channel FAQ" didn't strike me as a title that would give me answers to the questions I had.

[18:06:12]

Intelligitimate:

Seemed more like a channel-etiqette thing.

[18:06:24]

jimbalaya:

Intelligitimate: there's also this one http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[18:06:32]

kormoc:

it is, hence why you were linked to it

[18:07:08]

juski:

I'll go back to ignoring folks who don't read the topic then :)

[18:07:34]

kormoc:

juski, at times I do wish we were +m and I could just -v folks who don't read :P

[18:07:56]

juski:

kormoc: +v are the ops here. only they can become +o

[18:08:12]

juski:

it was a good thing I gave up my privileges believe me

[18:08:13]

kormoc:

juski, you can +v non-ops as well

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[18:09:49]

juski:

jesus. I couldn't even -v myself

[18:09:57]

kormoc:

yeah

[18:10:04]

Philyboy:

juski: r u using dsl

[18:10:23]

juski:

so my name came up in a dsl forum ONCE.. no I'm not using dsl.

[18:10:46]

kormoc:

juski, but yeah, +m just means that people without +v can't speak in the channel

[18:11:00]

juski:

nor will I be since I couldn't find any info about how to get mythtv up & running on it :)

[18:11:04]

Philyboy:

juski: your mythweb seem spiffier than mine on local network! I think mysql is grinding on mine

[18:11:14]

** directhex sets mode +cake **

[18:11:45]

juski:

the mythweb you see on jusftp.no-ip.org:8080 is from SVN head from last week or so

[18:11:46]

** kormoc sets mode -id10ts **

[18:12:04]

Intelligitimate:

Hmm, this FAQ seems too advanced for me.

[18:12:09]

Intelligitimate:

I don't understand most of the terms.

[18:12:25]

Philyboy:

juski: do you want ot measure mine and tell me how it is

[18:12:31]

juski:

Intelligitimate: so having read the FAQ, ask questions based on what you didn't understand

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juski:

Philyboy: mythweb has been optomised a fair bit since 0.20-fixes IIRC

[18:13:24]

Intelligitimate:

It says none of these cards work with a satellite receiver.

[18:13:35]

juski:

even locally I can see a massive difference between the production backend's mythweb & the dustbin's mythweb :)

[18:13:35]

Intelligitimate:

How do you use MythTV with Direct TV then?

[18:13:54]

juski:

Intelligitimate: with a hardware encoding tuner card such as the Hauppauge PVR150

[18:14:30]

juski:

you connect the DirectTV reciever's audio & video outputs to the tuner card. you aim an IR blaster at the sat receiver's IR window and voila!

[18:15:14]

Intelligitimate:

So get one of the Hauppauge tuners?

[18:15:21]

juski:

mythtv will be set up to know all the channel numbers and will (if properly set up) have a full program guide for your channels. then you just tell mythtv what to record & it should automagically change channels on the directtv box via the IR blaster

[18:15:37]

juski:

and NO unsolicited MSGs please ffs!

[18:15:59]

juski:

I'm gonna have to set ignores on all msgs

[18:16:01]

Philyboy:

juski: sorry wanted you to check out response time of mythweb

[18:16:58]

NewCastleScott:

juski, any chance you can help me out with the diagnosis of a backtrace? let me know if you need more backtrace.log-----> http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/534181

[18:17:10]

juski:

NewCastleScott: nope. beyond me completely

[18:18:05]

directhex:

NewCastleScott, which version of qt?

[18:24:54]

NewCastleScott:

directhex, I beleave its 3.3.8-r2

[18:25:10]

directhex:

NewCastleScott, 3.3.8 is bugged heavily WRT sql things

[18:25:26]

NewCastleScott:

is there any workaround?

[18:25:32]

kormoc:

downgrade qt

[18:25:34]

directhex:

NewCastleScott, downgrade to 3.3.7

[18:25:46]

NewCastleScott:

thanks I will try it

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kormoc:

NewCastleScott, it's a known bug, no need to file yet another report

[18:27:41]

NewCastleScott:

thanks

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[18:28:02]

NewCastleScott:

I will unmerge mask and remerge Im guessing that will fix it

[18:28:42]

gardengnome:

+./mythplugins

[18:28:42]

gardengnome:

+./mythplugins/mythdvd

[18:28:42]

gardengnome:

+./mythplugins/mythweb

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gardengnome:

oops. sorry.

[18:28:51]

gardengnome:

stupid fingers

[18:30:27]

directhex:

NewCastleScott, http://trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker/i . . . mp;id=154194

[18:30:51]

NewCastleScott:

directhex, looking now

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NewCastleScott:

it looks like Im using 4.3 for qt so is 3.3.7 the best to use?

[18:35:50]

juski:

4.3?

[18:35:54]

juski:

qt3 only man!

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juski:

I really don't like folks putting stuff on youtube & saying it was recorded with mythtv. for $deity's sakes you muppets!

[18:39:08]

juski:

NewCastleScott: had nobody made it quite clear that mythtv will only work with qt3 ?

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juski:

infact I very much doubt it'd have worked at all with qt4.whatever

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NewCastleScott:

juski, Im learning that now....

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oh yea

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thrall:

Is MythTV hard to setup for an experienced linux user? I'm thinking of using it but I'd like to know what I'm in for? :)

[18:52:20]

thrall:

s/?/.

[18:52:44]

cesman:

just follow the instructions

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dr_willis:

thrall, a lot can depend on the disrto. of course theres Knoppmyth and mythdora. which make it a lot easier.

[18:53:31]

cesman:

in that order ;)

[18:53:33]

dr_willis:

the hard part often is having the patience to go throguh the mythtv setup program to get all the settings just right.

[18:54:06]

thrall:

Read about LinuxMCE, is that any good?

[18:54:15]

jimbalaya:

wow, manually creating a lircd.conf file is kind of a pain :-/

[18:54:21]

dr_willis:

thrall, never seen it.

[18:54:43]

thrall:

http://www.linuxmce.com/ if you wanna check it out

[18:54:55]

cesman:

thrall: I have old experience w/ Pluto Home, which LinuxMCE is based on

[18:55:22]

cesman:

as it has been years since I used it (rather tried to), it wouldn't be fair for me to comment on it

[18:56:11]

anykey__:

thrall: if you're an experienced linux user and you know how to read manuals, there is no problem in setting up myth ;)

[18:56:46]

thrall:

Okay, the options that I'm choosing from is using a MCE distro (Knoppmyth, mythdora, LinuxMCE) or using a source based distro for performance and doing all the configuration manually.

[18:57:11]

thrall:

I'll probably go with the latter then :)

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S2:

thrall: mythtv is a pain in the ass to setup. you will spend at least 6 moths till you have it going like you want it too, and that if you use a distro where your hardware works out of the box.

[18:57:41]

** cesman would put up the performance of KnoppMyth against any other any day **

[18:58:07]

kormoc:

thrall, and for others, took me less then 4 hours to setup the first time

[18:58:25]

crakhed:

i have a quick question, i just got mythTV up and running, and i'd like to know if its possible to have it autofill the names of the channels

[18:58:25]

** kormoc wonders why S2 sits in here if he just wants to troll **

[18:58:46]

thrall:

Fine, I'd use a distro that's not based on ubuntu because I consider the ubuntu startup to be slow.

[18:58:48]

cesman:

:)

[18:59:16]

cesman:

kormoc good observation

[18:59:50]

thrall:

Actually, I was reading Linux Format and they said the same thing as S2 ^^

[19:00:01]

cesman:

thrall: when I first started used MythTV, trying to get it up and running was a pain on Mandrake

[19:00:10]

jimbalaya:

why is it that when i run 'mode2 -d /dev/lirc0' and press the Up button, sometimes it says the code is '0x1794' and sometimes it says the code is '0x1f94'

[19:00:11]

cesman:

that is because of the dependencies

[19:00:16]

cesman:

and not because of MythTV

[19:00:26]

jimbalaya:

actually, it alternates

[19:00:27]

cesman:

that experience led me to start KnoppMyth

[19:00:36]

thrall:

I have managed to install mythtv so no problem there.

[19:00:47]

cesman:

in terms of hardware, simply do some research ahead of time

[19:01:00]

cesman:

don't get the latest hardware as Linux support maybe lacking

[19:01:09]

thrall:

cesman: That I will do.

[19:01:59]

jimbalaya:

...should i edit my lircd.conf to have duplicate entries for each button, one for the F and oen for the 7?

[19:02:37]

thrall:

I was thinking about the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR4000 but now I'm not so sure how good the GNU/Linux support is

[19:03:01]

cesman:

MythTV is easy to setup

[19:03:22]

kormoc:

myth is, lirc, mysql, drivers are hard

[19:03:27]

cesman:

now, because it gives you A LOT of options, it might get confusing

[19:04:14]

cesman:

you have not used KnoppMyth....

[19:04:14]

kormoc:

nah

[19:04:24]

kormoc:

took 30 minutes to get my ivtv card working

[19:04:26]

cesman:

LiveTV can be done in under 20 mins

[19:04:53]

kormoc:

took me around 40 for the air2pc configured and working in myth

[19:05:17]

crakhed:

i don't think mythTV is difficult to setup, but everything leading up to running mythtv-setup can be tedious

[19:05:23]

cesman:

what is to argue?

[19:05:28]

cesman:

it is a statement of fact

[19:05:43]

gbee:

it took me weeks to get my first linux install working just how it should

[19:05:53]

crakhed:

so anyone know how i can name all my channels automatically?

[19:06:06]

Intelligitimate:

Which Hauppauge PVR should I get for a Direct TV setup?

[19:06:18]

cesman:

S2: again, you have obviously _not_ used KnoppMyth

[19:06:24]

cesman:

most of that is done for you

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kormoc:

Intelligitimate, 150

[19:07:00]

thrall:

cesman: Is the boot of KnoppMyth speedy?

[19:07:14]

Intelligitimate:

kormoc, there are a couple different 150s, I think. Any specific type?

[19:07:39]

kormoc:

gonna need to research to find out which one you want

[19:07:47]

gbee:

it's like saying that setting up a TV was hard because you had to build the house, lay in the electrical wiring and install the aerial first

[19:07:56]

cesman:

thrall: yes, it is speedy

[19:08:23]

Intelligitimate:

kormoc, I don

[19:08:28]

Intelligitimate:

I don't know what I want.

[19:08:31]

cesman:

S2: you don't have to believe, but you will once you try it ;)

[19:08:55]

gbee:

so does building a house ;)

[19:09:22]

cesman:

S2: that is exactly why I started KnoppMyth

[19:09:42]

thrall:

cesman: Maybe I'll take a look at it then.

[19:09:45]

kormoc:

S2, for a lot of people all that configuration is part of linux and thus if you know linux decently well, it's speedy fast

[19:09:51]

gbee:

cesman: will there be a new Knoppmyth using the latest fixes (stuff from yesterday) any time soon? :)

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kormoc:

S2, other then mysql, sure it can

[19:10:11]

thrall:

cesman: So you're a dev for KnoppMyth?

[19:10:24]

gbee:

thrall: he's _the_ dev

[19:10:27]

cesman:

gbee: well, the testers will get it soon

[19:10:34]

kormoc:

S2, no window manager works fine for standard myth stuff using the internal player, lirc is optional, you can use a keyboard just fine

[19:10:42]

cesman:

thrall: yes

[19:10:43]

gbee:

cesman: cool

[19:11:10]

thrall:

aha, coolio.

[19:11:20]

kormoc:

S2, I don't consider acpi wakeup as a part of myth. Personally I don't use it, and I know lots of people who don't. Same with mythwelcome

[19:11:33]

cesman:

gbee: I saw the improves!

[19:11:36]

kormoc:

infact I've never run mythwelcome in my life, I have no idea what it is

[19:12:15]

kormoc:

S2, so stop saying things and we will all stop saying our thoughts on your statements

[19:12:52]

kormoc:

S2, for you. for us. that's not the case

[19:13:31]

kormoc:

S2, and the fact that you are attempting to tell me that myth is a pain to setup for myself is just trolling and is just stupid

[19:14:13]

kormoc:

cause some people do have issues, not everyone

[19:14:27]

kormoc:

why are there distros only for firefox browsing?

[19:14:53]

kormoc:

cause some people want them, but that doesn't mean everyone needs them

[19:15:44]

kormoc:

all I did was run mythtv-setup, set the settings that were bloody obvious to me, and then run mythfrontend and wow, it worked

[19:16:01]

** cesman cannot believe it took S2 6 months... **

[19:16:06]

cesman:

you must be very patient

[19:16:08]

kormoc:

S2, sure, one minute

[19:17:18]

Philyboy:

kormoc and S2: TO be honest it took me 40 hours to set up myth to my liking with extra bells and features like softcams and monit to monitor major process, butmy first install took me an hour from os install to getting a picture on my lcd tv

[19:17:37]

thrall:

so, when it comes to supported hardware, is TechniSat SkyStar 2 TV PCI a card that is well supported?

[19:17:54]

S2:

cesman: it did not really take 6 months to have it going, but it took 6 months to fine tune it to make it work like a pvr does.

[19:18:03]

Philyboy:

thrall: is you habe not ought your get get hauppage products

[19:18:16]

kormoc:

S2, no ac3 here, zap2it means just three settings, user, pass, lineup, yes it does, with the config that comes with lirc, just 1, yes, just not the same channel, yes, nvidia drivers are a peice of cake

[19:18:17]

cesman:

whaa?

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kormoc:

S2, you're also forgetting a lot of peopla *already* have that working before they attempt myth

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cesman:

well, I have things to do....

[19:19:31]

cesman:

later folks

[19:19:35]

gbee:

cya

[19:19:46]

thrall:

Philyboy: I thought those weren't very well supported. I'm looking here: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware

[19:19:47]

S2:

haha :) ok. i would not tell anyone that setting up myth is easy, but ok.

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** cesman is away: Gone away for now. **

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[19:19:55]

thrall:

cya cesman

[19:19:59]

S2:

bye cesman_away

[19:19:59]

kormoc:

S2, vmware keeps a distro for just browsers, and yes you can install that directly to a drive if you would like

[19:20:18]

janneg:

juski: I have 4 x 45 of your flyers left. If you are planning to use them at LugRadioLive I can mail them

[19:20:31]

kormoc:

S2, it's based off of ubuntu in a similar fastion that knoppmyth is based off of knoppix

[19:20:48]

gbee:

janneg: how did it go?

[19:20:53]

Philyboy:

S2: Try to get MCE working with softcam plus 2 dvb tuners + 1 analog + ir blaster

[19:21:09]

janneg:

gbee: pretty well

[19:21:34]

gbee:

was this your first one?

[19:21:39]

janneg:

yes

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Philyboy:

S2:Try to compile mediaportal yourself and tell me how it goes we have to compare apple to apple, setup program under windows = specialize distro

[19:22:34]

Philyboy:

S2: mythtv under ubuntu = breeze apt-get install mythtv

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S2:

Philyboy: i am not saying that mythtv is less userfrendly than something else. if mediaportal takes as much time and knowlege to set up like myth or even more that's ok with me.

[19:24:46]

gbee:

lets just agree that setting up mythtv could be easier – no-one can disagree with that :)

[19:24:47]

S2:

just look at the wiki. there is even a mythtv book. ok look at wilsons guide. there are 9438583945million things to do and to make work.

[19:24:51]

S2:

but that

[19:24:55]

S2:

's ok

[19:25:02]

S2:

myth is great and i love it

[19:25:13]

S2:

but it is not a piece of kake to setup

[19:25:32]

Philyboy:

S2:I just thinkMythtv targets a different audience. I amgoing to get bash but mythtv is not for your uncle Joe just like some of the other free pvr on windows. You need to be tech knowledge.

[19:25:42]

kormoc:

S2, here's the thing, we're not saying it wasn't ungodly hard for you, we're all arguing when you tell someone else that it *will* take them the same, that's just not true

[19:26:54]

kormoc:

complicated, sure, but with some common sense, it all fits really well

[19:27:19]

S2:

yes. ok. if you think so...

[19:28:07]

S2:

kormoc: if everything is so easy to you you are a genius :)

[19:28:09]

thrall:

kormoc: Because you have experience. For someone who have been using linux for a few months and trying to setup oracle, I don't think that person would succeed.

[19:28:35]

S2:

so you could work as an oracle dba or an aplication server mantainer without problems

[19:29:04]

S2:

that's really cool, because i got 2 days of trainign before i understood what's going on under the hood.

[19:29:05]

kormoc:

S2, no, there's things that are hard for me, solid bluetooth eludes me, but that doesn't mean bluetooth is hard for everyone...

[19:29:22]

S2:

kormoc: sure.

[19:29:34]

S2:

kormoc: i am happy for you.

[19:29:51]

kormoc:

S2, and that's what everyone is arguing with you about. you seem to say it's hard for everyone when that's not the case and you refuse to admit that others might have it easier then you

[19:30:39]

kormoc:

S2, if you didn't want to argue, you can just stop making absolute statements and people wouldn't jump on them

[19:30:48]

S2:

kormoc: no. that's not what i am saying. what i say is that telling someone that setting up mythtv is a 40minutes job is just plain lying. sorry.

[19:30:59]

GreyFoxx:

*sigh*

[19:31:15]

GreyFoxx:

It IS a 40 minute job for some, it's a week long job for others

[19:31:30]

GreyFoxx:

It's not a lie, it's just not something that applies to everyone

[19:31:59]

S2:

GreyFoxx: not for someone that has never tuched mythtv before.

[19:32:04]

GreyFoxx:

IT's like a mechanic telling me that to fix something on my car takes 15 minutes. And for him and anyone who knows cars it IS 15 minutes. For me it would be longer as I don;t know sh*t about cars

[19:32:06]

gbee:

guys ... new topic – "Harry Potter vs LoTR"

[19:32:14]

GreyFoxx:

S2: Bullshit

[19:32:20]

kormoc:

S2, that's the thing, it still can be, depending on their experences, which *YOU* do not know

[19:32:27]

GreyFoxx:

My very first install of myth 5 years ago was 1 hour long

[19:32:35]

S2:

ok.

[19:32:40]

GreyFoxx:

It is VERY dependant on the person doing the install

[19:32:46]

S2:

yes... ok...

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S2:

get 10 verz experienced linux users and give them a cd with theyr favorite linux distro and make them setup mythtv.

[19:33:37]

thrall:

So say that. Depending on your preferences and your experience it might take everything between 40 minutes and two weeks.

[19:33:56]

S2:

and see how long it takes them.

[19:34:06]

thrall:

Or five months, I don't know.

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GreyFoxx:

S2: I've assisted in 40+ myth installs with users of varying levels, I've seen the range of time it can take

[19:34:15]

kormoc:

S2, and by telling everyone that it will take 6 months, all you are doing is scaring them away from even trying, in which case why are you even in this channel, cause you are not helping anyone

[19:34:25]

S2:

GreyFoxx: and what was that time? 40 mins? 1 hour?

[19:34:27]

GreyFoxx:

I've watched my own coworkers install it in less than an hour having never installed it before

[19:34:50]

GreyFoxx:

PArt of how they did it however was to pick hardware that was known to work well

[19:34:59]

kormoc:

hell, my brother who never used linux before installed knoppmyth in under a hour and it worked perfectly for his wants

[19:35:01]

GreyFoxx:

Like PVR cards instead of bttv cards, Nvidia instead of ATI etc

[19:35:09]

S2:

GreyFoxx: how much time did it take to choose the hardware?

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kormoc:

S2, took me around 5 minutes to tell him what I recommended, likely took him 30 minutes to order them from newegg

[19:35:49]

S2:

you told him.

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GreyFoxx:

S2: As long as it takes to ask "What kind of hardware should I buy if I want to do X and Y"

[19:36:06]

S2:

aha. ok. right.

[19:36:06]

GreyFoxx:

and by reading the hundreds of mailing list posts on that subject

[19:36:11]

GreyFoxx:

and the hundreds of FAQ's

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gbee:

come on! this argument is going nowhere, how about moving to #mythtv-fight

[19:36:16]

GreyFoxx:

google is your friend

[19:37:25]

squish102:

anyone can give me advice on seperating backend and frontend? with mythvideo, can i still rip dvd's from the frontend? should i have the directories the same name that are nfs mounted?

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kormoc:

squish102, that's what I do

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squish102:

ok, im kinda struggling

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Tanthrix:

I was actually thinking of making some kind of flow chart for newbies, might save some time around here.

[19:38:24]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, familar with the make your own adventure books?

[19:38:38]

GreyFoxx:

That's just what I was thinking :)

[19:38:41]

Tanthrix:

Basically where you start at the top of "I want to build a mythbox" and go down, choosing from Analog cable, to Digital, to DVB, etc.. and you answer accordingly, and eventually end up with a complete list of ideal hardware

[19:38:43]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[19:39:11]

kormoc:

I've often thought it would be a awesome way to do a install doc

[19:39:43]

thrall:

What kind of hardware should I buy if I want to watch HDTV, look at pictures, stream music, watch DVD/Bluray and movies coded with XviD/h264, Rip those movies, rip music CDs? ^^

[19:39:56]

GreyFoxx:

Or even a webpage guide where you have aton of options, you pick from, (hardware time, distro, etc etc) then when you submit it generates the appropriate guide for you

[19:40:19]

Tanthrix:

I'll come up with something after classes let up

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kormoc:

thrall, honestly, you'd want a rather heavy cpu to do hd h264

[19:40:56]

squish102:

backend is ripping fine, frontend i have /storage (backend) nfsmounted on storage2 (frontend). in setup of mythvideo on frontend all i have set is the directory to /storage2. is there a wiki on this?

[19:41:01]

thrall:

kormoc: I know, my p4 3ghz is barely enough with pretty much only mplayer open ^^

[19:41:01]

kormoc:

thrall, bluray dvd's are rather new and not overly supported by myth, so googling around would serve you better on that end

[19:41:43]

Tanthrix:

thrall: I play 720p x264 rips at around 50 percent of one core on my $140 Core 2 Duo E4400 – and I'm nearly certain it will do 1080P x264 as soon as multi-threaded decoders come out

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Tanthrix:

Still is odd to me that a 1.8ghz Core 2 Duo is faster than a Pentium D 3.4 GHz...to many years of the GHz race..

[19:43:29]

thrall:

Tanthrix: I see. For me CPU load is between, 80–100%

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kormoc:

thrall, with watching hd, that more depends on where in the world you are

[19:43:53]

thrall:

Sweden

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kormoc:

likely gonna need to research your provider a bit and some dvb cards

[19:44:51]

thrall:

There are a few HD channels but that's no big deal. Don't really care that much about HDTV as long as I can playback some kind of high quality movies.

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kormoc:

I would go with a core 2 duo of the higher end then, and grab a good nvidia card

[19:45:34]

thrall:

I.E Bluray movies or BlurayRips encoded in 720p-1080p, i'm not that picky.

[19:46:02]

thrall:

Are the C2D better than AMD X2?

[19:46:18]

kormoc:

personally, I think so

[19:46:42]

thrall:

I was looking at the nVidia Geforce 8500GT, you think that would be enough?

[19:46:50]

kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

thrall, they have lots of tests to compare cpus at

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Tanthrix:

The Core 2 Duo's win at everything.

[19:47:53]

thrall:

I consider toms hardware to be a bit biased but I've heard the same from other sources.

[19:48:23]

Tanthrix:

Well, you should be able to trust their benchmarks. Check out the Clone Dvd transcoding one – probably most applicable to video performance, at least for MPEG2.

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, the highest end core 2 duo does win at everything, but when model to model, there are a few things the x2 does slightly better

[19:49:51]

Tanthrix:

(Hehe, I know – I was exaggerating)

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Philyboy:

Thermal power wise the C2D rule thus = quietter system

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Tanthrix:

(USD)

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thrall:

After reading up a bit, I'll probably go with C2D

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wezlo:

hey all I'm trying to burn some DVD's from mythTV and the discs that myth-archive creates aren't able to play back – anyone able to troubleshoot with me?

[19:59:27]

thrall:

But it's quite a close call, the X2 5600+ is faster in transcoding than the E6600 and cheaper.

[20:00:01]

thrall:

I'll have to sleep on it ^^ Cya all

[20:00:23]

Tanthrix:

Keep in mind that's for mpeg2 – x264 is a different beast

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Urgo:

does anyone in here use FIOS & mythtv? I've been using mythtv w/ analog cable for years and considing moving to FIOS but I'm not sure its really better..

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S2:

Urgo: what is fios?

[20:08:19]

Urgo:

verizon's tv service

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wezlo:

tv and internet over fiber optics

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Urgo:

yep

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S2:

cool.

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wezlo:

I want it....mostly for internet

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Urgo:

right now I have a WinTV-PVR-500 that lets me do dual-chan analog recordings

[20:10:30]

wezlo:

nice

[20:10:34]

wezlo:

I'm wondering about that

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wezlo:

analog cards won't work with fios will they?

[20:10:45]

Urgo:

I'd want the same functionality with fios.. but from what I'm seeing it doesn't look very simple

[20:11:13]

Urgo:

aparantly fios offers chans 1–49 in analog, but thats just the networks

[20:11:41]

Urgo:

my cable company offers chans 1–100 in analog, which is almost every chan

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wezlo:

yup

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wezlo:

so to get the same functionality you'd need to fios recievers and ir blaster?

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r3m01:

is there a card with HD capture from component (Y, Cb, Cr) inputs?

[20:12:36]

Urgo:

thats what I'm thinking... each box is $5/mo though..

[20:12:41]

wezlo:

no one in here is playing with mytharchive?

[20:12:46]

wezlo:

what's the monthly charge?

[20:12:56]

wezlo:

you still might come in under cable

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Urgo:

basic package is $43/mo

[20:13:16]

wezlo:

really?

[20:13:18]

wezlo:

hmmm

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wezlo:

not much of a savings there

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wezlo:

never set up irblaster either

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Urgo:

then I'd need three cable boxes to equal the same functionality as I have today (two for myth and one for tv)

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r3m01:

err, is hat a no?

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wezlo:

dumb

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Urgo:

r3m01: not sure r3m01

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wezlo:

too many boxes

[20:14:20]

Urgo:

and yeah, I've heard of irblaster, but haven't used it either. sounds clunky to be honest

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kormoc:

r3m01, don't think so

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wezlo:

irblaster IS clunky

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Intelligitimate:

Hello.

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r3m01:

OK. I'm trying to get from my satellite box to myth via S-Video but I get ghosting. on coaxial it just looks fuzzy. any ideas? (e.g. different S-Video cable or something?)

[20:15:19]

Urgo:

fios offers their own pvr which I belive they told me is $15/mo.. which is the same thing as the three cable boxes.. but then no mythtv love :(

[20:15:27]

wezlo:

heh

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wezlo:

Urgo, can you export videos from the fios one?

[20:16:05]

Urgo:

I'm not sure

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wezlo:

Urgo, if you can it'll cost teh same as your current setup, but you'll be able to keep myth for another TV

[20:17:25]

wezlo:

let me ask another way, is anyone successfully burning DVD's from mythtv?

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** Urgo has exported mythtv shows to xvid, thats about it **

[20:18:11]

wezlo:

Urgo, how did you do that?

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kormoc:

wezlo, O jave

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kormoc:

*I have

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Urgo:

I belive its an addon called mythexport

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wezlo:

kormoc, great – what settings do you use? No disc I create works

[20:18:36]

Urgo:

one sec

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kormoc:

wezlo, sadly, I just used the defaults

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Urgo:

nuvexport

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wezlo:

kormoc, ok

[20:19:17]

Urgo:

https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/

[20:19:33]

wezlo:

anyone know if there is a place to reset defaults in mythtv?

[20:20:14]

wezlo:

Urgo, thanks

[20:20:36]

Urgo:

wezlo: a working link for them: http://www.forevermore.net/mythtv

[20:21:12]

Urgo:

oh neat, nuvexport is now officially in mythtv

[20:21:22]

Urgo:

and by the same guy that wrote mythweb

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wezlo:

really?

[20:21:38]

Urgo:

aparantly so

[20:21:39]

wezlo:

dang, now I need to upgrade

[20:21:45]

wezlo:

:-S

[20:21:48]

Urgo:

read the latest link I sent

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** kormoc laughs **

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AndyCap:

Hmm, any suggestions what causes this? "NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: myth://server/filename.mpg"

[20:26:09]

AndyCap:

it's one on-going recording that makes mythfrontend say that, the others work fine. (one more on-going, and previously recorded stuff)

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xris:

Urgo: nuvexport used to be part of mythtv. I only pulled it out because way-back-when, I wanted to use subversion, and mythtv was still stuck in cvs.

[20:28:19]

Urgo:

xris: ah :) well its a nice little app. Works well for when I need it.

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xris:

thx. :)

[20:28:40]

Urgo:

you are the author?

[20:28:44]

xris:

then it does it's job

[20:28:45]

xris:

yes

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wezlo:

xris, thank you

[20:28:52]

Urgo:

well if so, I have one request for mythweb ;)

[20:28:53]

wezlo:

hmmm

[20:28:55]

wezlo:

provlem

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wezlo:

"Can't locate Date/Manip.pm in @INC"

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Urgo:

I tried to hack it in myself but failed

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Urgo:

the orig air date of a program

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xris:

wezlo: so install Date::Manip

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xris:

it's a perl module

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wezlo:

xris, thank you

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Urgo:

the orig air date shows up in the upcoming recordings section, but not in the recorded programs section

[20:29:38]

xris:

should be a package, it's a really common one

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r3m01:

any guides on getting optical out sound working from an nvidia chipset mobo?

[20:32:29]

Urgo:

xris: any chance that could be added to a future mythweb version? :)

[20:32:43]

xris:

Urgo: you mean "fixed"... and yes.

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xris:

I just haven't had much time to muck around with it.

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Urgo:

hehe np

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Urgo:

mythweb is awsome. its actually the only way I use mythtv

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doschdn:

hi. how can i make mythtv compress the recordings after they've been recorded (or even better: while they are recorded). i always select transcoding quality (i hope that's the correct translation. in german it is "Umwandlungsqualität") medium, but nothing happens at all :/

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Anduin:

doschdn: It doesn't actually transcode by default, you need to set the Post Recording Processing for the rule.

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xris:

doschdn: it always compresses them.

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doschdn:

hm, i'll look for it

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** wezlo is recompiling ffmpeg to get xvid support **

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xris:

doschdn: why not just record at a higher compression ratio initially instead of transcoding?

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xris:

wezlo: don't forget mp3

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doschdn:

how do i do this?

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xris:

doschdn: recording profiles..

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kormoc:

xris, unless he's using dvb

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xris:

kormoc: true. but it's still already compressed at that point.

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doschdn:

hmmm

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anykey__:

xris: will mythweb support live-tv using the flashplayer? watching the recordings with mythweb is awesome :)

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doschdn:

yes, i'm using dvb

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doschdn:

i'm doing the setup again and see wether i missed something

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Urgo:

anykey__: theres an addon for mythweb will convert things to flash.. not exactly live-tv, but closest to it I've seen with myth

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kormoc:

anykey__, one day, likely

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anykey__:

Urgo: i'm speaking of the SVN version of mythweb...

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anykey__:

kormoc: cool :)

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Urgo:

okay, haven't used the svn ver

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Urgo:

http://chiefhacker.com/2007/01/22/streaming-m . . . using-flash/ is the thing I was refering to

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xris:

doschdn: if you're using dvb, you're stuck with what you get (the signal is already compressed when your machine receives it), so then yes, if you want to compress it more, you should use the transcoder in myth

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xris:

anykey__: I hope to support livetv, yes. but need backend support/help before that happens.

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anykey__:

xris: ok

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xris:

I sort of want to get a mini-frontend written in flash

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doschdn:

yes, that's what i want, because the files are very big (approx. 1gb per hour)

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anykey__:

that would be quite cool... do you plan on adding a settings dialog for the ones of us with a bit more upstream for better quality? :)

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doschdn:

and another question: is it possible to make mythtv use other filenames for the recorded shows?

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xris:

doschdn: that's actually pretty small... mine come in at about 1.6G/hour, and I used to record at around 3G/hour when I didn't get stuff directly from digital

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xris:

doschdn: there's a file in contrib called mythrename.pl that will let you rename them.

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doschdn:

ok thanks :)

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doschdn:

well, they are bigger than 1gb

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xris:

doschdn: you can also usually just invoke the commercial editor, mark all of the commercials, and then do a lossless transcode. your files will get 20–30% smaller without the commercials.

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xris:

you should do that before transcoding, anyway, since it'll save more space.

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xris:

ok, it's too hot to sit in this room now. I'll be back when things cool down outside.

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Urgo:

later xris

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doschdn:

i usually don't watch programs with commercials, so i couldn't test this feature yet

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doschdn:

is it possible that i can only select transcoding from the mythfrontend and not from mythweb? i didn't install the frontend yet :|

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xris:

doschdn: yeah, all of that config is in the frontend

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** wezlo installs -dev files **

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wasabi:

Hmm. Why flash? Cortado would be quite a bit nicer.

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doschdn:

ok, damn :D that's why i didn't find it ;) thanks

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wezlo:

ot (other than being on TV), even when the phillies win it's depressing (goes back to installing -dev files)

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gbee:

eww, java

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hads:

:)

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kormoc:

wasabi, cortado?

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doschdn:

is it possible to change the name of the integrated upnp server?

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wasabi:

fluendo's open source media player java applet thing.

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wasabi:

yes, it's java, but it's also going to do way higher quality video than flash

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wasabi:

and it supports RTP and stuff

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gbee:

tis fine as an option, but if I must have a plugin installed (and I hate them all) then I'd rather use flash myself

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** hads agrees **

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doschdn:

i think i found it. there is a upnpavcd.xml file in /usr/share/mythtv which contains the current name. i'll try it as soon as i can restart mythtv

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wezlo:

sudothank gang, I'm off to play with this new toy

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wasabi:

Hmm. I'd be very interested in whatever arguments puts teh flash plugins over the java plugin

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wasabi:

last I checked my desktop machine still didn't even support flash heh

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xris:

wasabi: huh?

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xris:

you running an i386 browser with the flash plugin installed?

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wasabi:

No. 64 bit.

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xris:

there is no 64bit flash player

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wasabi:

That's my point, no?

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xris:

so install a 32 bit browser

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wasabi:

No....?

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Dagmar:

Well, there's an opensource one, but it sucks

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gbee:

nspluginwrapper lets the 32bit flash run under 64bit firefox

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kormoc:

wasabi, well, I actually can't run the java one for some reason

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wasabi:

I guess my point is, as much as I dislike both technologies, at least Java is a sane programming language, with a sane VM design, that is no open source.

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wasabi:

oh?

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kormoc:

yeah, black window no video and chimpmunk audio

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wasabi:

ahh well. ;)

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kormoc:

I'm using sun's vm, so something is wonky

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xris:

wasabi: huh? java is open source, and so is flex (for building swf)

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wasabi:

http://stream.fluendo.com/demos.php?stream=vi . . . ormat=theora

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wasabi:

xris: And you can run the swf with open source software?

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kormoc:

wasabi, aye, we're using ffmpeg

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xris:

wasabi: there are some players, yes.

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wasabi:

oh, heh.

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xris:

not my fault they suck

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wasabi:

I've never managed to get swfdec to work yet. I know it's getting close though.

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Pogonip:

Does anyone know how mythmusic knows what songs to play when the "Play Music" button is pushed? Is there a Select query and where is it? Or is there a table somewhere?

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Dagmar:

GOd the LVM docs suck

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Dagmar:

20 minutes to figure out how to remove two drives from an old vg and put them in the new one

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Dagmar:

923Gb should be able to keep me in free space for awhile now tho

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a5benwillis:

hello people

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a5benwillis:

Just getting around to trying the dvd ripper

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a5benwillis:

what would cause my system to become unresposive while ripping? If I stop the job the system is still hung..

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tcpsyn:

irq conflict

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Tanthrix:

I am really getting sick of watching movies with really messed up volume normalization

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Tanthrix:

Is there any way to do real time normalization / volume adjustment in linux? (ie, volume is adjusted on the fly such that quiet talking scenes are actually audible, but the exploding house in the next scene doesn't rupture your ear drum)

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a5benwillis:

hiya Tanthrix

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a5benwillis:

anybody know where I can get jpeg2yuv?

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a5benwillis:

got an error when calling it from mytharchive

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