Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 2nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Fony_Vaio:

jams: you didn't quite miss me, the laptop was on the bed. about to switch off.

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Fony_Vaio:

jams: looks like i might be doing some recompiling tomorrow. thanks for the heads up. having the osd look half decent would make all the difference between the setup looking professional or amateur imo.

[00:03:50]

Fony_Vaio:

anyway, really going this time. night

[00:04:54]

Aquahallic:

evenin' folks

[00:06:06]

Aquahallic:

Can anyone shed a little light on this "Ringbuf Waited 1.0 sec for video to come available" error??

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Aquahallic:

Also getting "WriteAudio buffer underrun"

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juski:

pished!

[00:09:06]

AndyCap:

umm, anyone know why mythtv-setup only displays squares instead of fonts? (tried with both latin1 and utf8 for the db charset so don't think that's the problem)

[00:09:18]

juski:

when you have a discussion about the rights vs wrongs of Tony Blair vs common sense with a Taxi driver, you *know* you have had too much to drink! hik!

[00:09:22]

AndyCap:

or rather what font am I missing. :P

[00:09:39]

Dagmar:

Hey at least the taxi driver didn't try to run you over afterwards

[00:09:42]

AndyCap:

Does make this message quite funny tho "2007-06–02 02:07:49.735 Switching to square mode (G.A.N.T.)"

[00:09:57]

juski:

Dagmar: true

[00:09:57]

Dagmar:

AndyCap: Only if you're on a widescreen display

[00:10:50]

hondaman:

i got that msg too AndyCap

[00:10:56]

hondaman:

sqaure mode.

[00:11:10]

hondaman:

i cant see the setup menu at all

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: I am. but I don't think that message is related. it just seems funny when all the fonts are replaced by squares.

[00:11:30]

juski:

it's a big conspiracy

[00:11:48]

Dagmar:

You've somehow selected a crazy charset

[00:12:04]

Dagmar:

THe squares mean there's no glyph in the codepage for the font selected

[00:12:10]

juski:

see, the folks from Zeta-Reticuli all have this font which looks like rectangles to us humans

[00:13:27]

AndyCap:

what codepages are supported? or what font is the default for Gant? the locale is en_US.UTF8

[00:15:17]

Dagmar:

Codepage for the _font_

[00:15:20]

Dagmar:

Not the theme

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tuxmack:

random question, does anyone actually know why mythtv is so slow?

[00:16:12]

Dagmar:

tuxmack: Because you bought an underpowered machine

[00:16:17]

juski:

did you know.. that 'theme' is actually the word 'theme' without the last 'e' ?!

[00:16:27]

juski:

oh bum

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tuxmack:

lol

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juski:

mythtv is fast enough on my 1ghz epia m10k machine

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tuxmack:

i have a 1.6Ghz P4

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juski:

tuxmack: and an ATI VGA card?

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tuxmack:

with GeForce FX5200

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juski:

without binary drivers installed?

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tuxmack:

but, i have very little RAM lol, i will admit to that

[00:18:16]

tuxmack:

haha right now without them installed, im about to reinstall ubuntu cuz ati drivers botched the system

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juski:

anyway as much as I'd like to stay & chat, I have a wife to see to

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juski:

so goodnight!

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a5benwillis:

ello people

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tuxmack:

ello

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a5benwillis:

any DVB-S users here tonight?

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banyan:

Apparently it's not a good thing to yum update from fc6 to 7.

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planktonboy:

hi all

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lin:

hi folks, how do I enable mythfrontend to use gl instead of xv (the mythtv installation was via rpms therefore i think it aleady has gl already compiled)

[01:27:25]

gumpish:

The guide I'm reading doesn't give any indication as to which listings provider I should use...

[01:28:05]

gumpish:

that is, it lists two but doesn't make any distinction

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J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: Are you in the us?

[01:30:57]

gumpish:

yes

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J-e-f-f-A:

zap2it is the usual source for us... ;-)

[01:33:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: You have to sign up, the code to do so is in the docs.

[01:33:36]

gumpish:

Ok. I'm a little concerned since I just signed up and it says my subscription will expire in september =/

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's ok, it emails you to renew a couple of weeks in advance.

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gumpish:

oh, ok. thanks.

[01:34:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

They may ask you to fill out a survey when you renew, but they haven't done that (at least to me) in almost a year...

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gumpish:

soooo what's it mean when mysqld_safe is consuming all available CPU for15 minutes?

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[01:59:34]

gumpish:

hmm, during the graphical mythtv-setup, is it supposed to SHOW the capture cards and video sources after I add them?

[01:59:49]

gumpish:

(because it's not. and the only way I can get back to the main menu is to hit escape)

[02:00:29]

gumpish:

;_;

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J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: Are you running 'mythfilldatabase'?

[02:08:03]

gumpish:

The first time it went through the setup no card appeared after I filled out the properties. when it terminated I clicked "ok" for it to run mythfilldatabase.

[02:08:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

gump

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J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: (oops)... what distribution are you running?

[02:08:59]

gumpish:

Ubuntu 7.04

[02:09:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: I don't think it actually runs mythfilldabase for you, it just 'reminds' you that you must run it, especially if you added or removed tuner cards.

[02:10:07]

gumpish:

ok

[02:10:22]

gumpish:

but even before it gets to the point of actually populating the database, shouldn't it list the card I just defined?

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J-e-f-f-A:

When you added the card(s) — you went through all the setup pages until it said 'finish', right?

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gumpish:

yep

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J-e-f-f-A:

And when it went back to the 'add card menu', your card was listed on the screen?

[02:11:10]

gumpish:

nope

[02:11:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Umm... Did you setup mysql?

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gumpish:

just "create new card, delete cards on order, delete all cards"

[02:11:31]

gumpish:

yeah, synaptic took care of all that

[02:11:39]

gumpish:

dur

[02:11:41]

gumpish:

I think

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J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: I doubt it setup the Myth database...

[02:11:48]

gumpish:

=[

[02:11:54]

gumpish:

hmmmmm

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think you missed a step! ;-)

[02:11:58]

gumpish:

lol

[02:12:12]

** gumpish consults guide again **

[02:12:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

where's the guide you're following?

[02:12:23]

gumpish:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . nd_Desktop_O

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tuxmack:

wow reinstalling things from scratch a bunch makes u so much faster

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gumpish:

J-e-f-f-A: hmm, nope, I've followed the guide exactly

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gumpish:

and the prompt really does run mythfilldatabase at the end... (or it's supposed to anyway)

[02:16:42]

Ryushin:

2.1 TB of disk space. Yes, now I'll have room for another 6 months of recordings. Yippee.

[02:17:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: Run mythtv-setup from a shell window, and see if it logs any errors...

[02:17:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: Is that Raid5 I hope?

[02:17:47]

Ryushin:

Nope, individual disks in independent storage groups.

[02:18:08]

Ryushin:

RAID was not good for multiple recordings.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: Living up to your nic? (Russian Rulette?) ;-)

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gumpish:

ok

[02:19:11]

Ryushin:

I have two NTSC and two ATSC tuners. When three of them are going with RAID0 then I get IO bound. The storage groups keep everything running happy.

[02:19:45]

Ryushin:

Worse case if a drive crashes, I loose some shows. It's not like I'm loosing important data. If it's important, I'll burn it to archive.

[02:20:02]

Ryushin:

Storage groups was a huge blessing for me in my case.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: Yeah, I've got 3 NTSC and 2 ATSC... Running 3 500GB drives in a Raid5 for 980GB storage... ;-)

[02:20:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: Any luck?

[02:21:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: Hey — go to the troubleshooting page .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Troubleshooting

[02:21:21]

Ryushin:

Well, how much have you stressed it? I pushed mine into the ground with two ntsc recordings, one atsc recording, and watching a HD show. I pretty much screwed up all my recordings in that case.

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J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: At the bottom "Mythbackend setup not saving settings"

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Ryushin:

Storage groups make sure it sends a recording to a idle spindle.

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Ryushin:

And with 6 drives, and a NFS mount for another 500GB, it has enough spindles.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: I'm running Hauppauge PVR-500 and PVR-250, plus a HD3000 and HD5500. With all recording, it's well under the 300mbps thruput of sataII

[02:23:41]

Ryushin:

Yea, but that's theoretical. When you have multiple recordings, your heads are flying around like crazy trying to keep up.

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gumpish:

mmm yeah, DB errors all over the place

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: ..er.. make that 3Gbps of SATA II...

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gumpish:

I'll check that URL

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J-e-f-f-A:

Seems you unbuntu folks have it easy... an automatic install via synaptic... ;-)

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gumpish:

it's the only way to fly

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J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: er... ubuntu... ;-)

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Ryushin:

Just saying, I've hit the limit and I could no longer scale in the same box without storage groups. I was even running RAID0 with 3 SATA2 drives and it couldn't keep up.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: Hardware or software NTSC cards?

[02:26:07]

Ryushin:

Hardware.

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Ryushin:

350 and 150.

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matey:

howdy

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: Strange... Are you sure it wasn't some sort of hardware or driver conflict?

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matey:

i have a saa7146 card, and i wonder what card type to choose in the setup

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: And was your sql database on the same disk(s), or a seperate one? (My os & db are on a seperate disk than my recordings)

[02:28:14]

Ryushin:

Yea, very sure. I think Captin_Murdoch wrote the storage groups for exactly the same reason.

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Ryushin:

SQL database is on a different disk.

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Ryushin:

OS on seperate disk as well.

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Ryushin:

The individual spindles are faster working on their own recording then multiple spindles working on multiple recordings.

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J-e-f-f-A:

matey: Is it setup by Linux already (ie, does it appear in /dev/video0 ?)

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Ryushin:

Plus the box runs quieter as well.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: I'm just surprised you got anywhere near that, especially with sata II... How fast is your CPU, and how much memory?

[02:31:08]

Ryushin:

1 GB memory, dual core 2.2 ghz X2.

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matey:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah

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matey:

it does appear

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spader3d:

hi all

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J-e-f-f-A:

matey: Ok, try setting it up as a V4L 'framegrabber' card...

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spader3d:

how do i fix this protocol version difference error with mvpmc-0.3.3 and myth-0.20?

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Ryushin:

It the same reason when I build high end database servers that I put the transactions on different spindles. Try to separate out the databases onto difference spindles as well if they take a lot of hammering.

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matey:

i dont think that was in the list

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: Hopefully I'll be ok then... I'm running 2GB ram with an Athlon 64 x2 4600+

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matey:

there was something like v4l analogue or so

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matey:

ah btw

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Ryushin:

Well, you can easily test it. Start 4 recordings, and watch a HD program at the same time.

[02:32:43]

matey:

its a dvb card

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spader3d:

MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 31!

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Ryushin:

Look at your log and you'll be seeing IO Bound.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: I already did that... when I tested the 5 tuners... ;-) Although I didn't look at the log...

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gumpish:

J-e-f-f-A: it's working now, thanks a ton

[02:33:59]

Ryushin:

Well, if yours can do it, then I'll be impressed.

[02:33:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: I'll try again now... ;-)

[02:34:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: The errors appear on the backend log, or the frontend log, or both?

[02:34:47]

Ryushin:

backend

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ryushin: Well, I seem to have a problem ATM... Encoders 2 and 3 (my PVR-500) are 'missing' atm... (Humm....)

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Ryushin:

That's not good. :)

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders how that happened! **

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J-e-f-f-A:

gumpish: Awesome... ;-)

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matey:

J-e-f-f-A: framegrabber is not an option in the list there....

[02:39:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

matey: "Analog V4L capture card"

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spader3d:

how do i fix this protocol version difference error with mvpmc-0.3.3 and myth-0.20?

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spader3d:

MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 8 but we speak 31!

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J-e-f-f-A:

matey: (aka a 'framegrabber' card — as it doesn't do any encoding in hardware.) – sorry, thought it said 'framegrabber

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spader3d:

do i have to upgrade something?

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J-e-f-f-A:

... in the setup...

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J-e-f-f-A:

spader3d: Umm... Yeah, the protocol versions need to match usually... 8 to 31 is a HUGE gap...

[02:41:44]

spader3d:

but what do i have to do?

[02:41:59]

** J-e-f-f-A bummer... ASX streaming doesn't play HD (at least on my winblows XP box...) **

[02:42:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

spader3d: Seems you need to find a newer, compatible, version of mvpmc I would think...

[02:42:57]

spader3d:

0.3.3 is the newest one

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J-e-f-f-A:

spader3d: Or does it work, but you're just seeing that error logged?

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felipe__:

Hello, I just installed MythTv and already changed the path to where my music is but it doesnt shows up. Could someone help me?

[02:44:11]

spader3d:

does work on the localhost but not on the mediamvp

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J-e-f-f-A:

spader3d: Supposedly it will first 'try' 8, then, switch to the version that the backend responds with...

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felipe__:

I've installed the backend and the front end

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J-e-f-f-A:

spader3d: (According to : http://www.mvpmc.org/index.php?pg=faq#q18 )

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J-e-f-f-A:

spader3d: Although they mention MythTV 0.19 ... which is fairly old... and you're running a 0.20 backend...

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spader3d:

ok ... i will test a few other options

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Ryushin:

Well, added the new drives to be monitored by mrtg for temp and disk space used.

[02:48:21]

Ryushin:

Next I'll have to find the config to slow down their seek times.

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J-e-f-f-A:

spader3d: Try searching their mailing lists... Seems it works with the latest SVN MythTV, so there's hope. You may need to compile it yourself though...

[02:50:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

spader3d: IE: the mvpmc mailing lists...

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cntb:

o all

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cntb:

is ven14F1 dev 8800 tv card supported in mythTv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cntb: If it's supported by V4L, or Linux, then probably. Did you try googling for it?

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cntb:

n yet tyvm

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J-e-f-f-A:

alsoconfused: Welcome back! (Oh, you're on comcast... that's why!) ;-)

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evilDagmar:

Man... someday Comcast will be able to keep a connection up without me having to *watch it* 24/u7

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J-e-f-f-A:

evilDagmar: haha! Did you see my comment, or just happen to make the same comment at the same time?

[03:08:18]

evilDagmar:

I just managed to get back on after figuring out my cablemodem is down, again

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J-e-f-f-A:

alsoconfused: Hehe... sataII is your friend... ;-)

[03:08:34]

evilDagmar:

They're doing their usual "well it must be your cablemodem" bullshit when I call them

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alsoconfused:

lesson to my kid brother. don't buy maxtor

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alsoconfused:

and do your backups!

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J-e-f-f-A:

evilDagmar: Hehe.... that's funny... check out what I typed seconds before you logged in and made that comment....

[03:09:08]

evilDagmar:

If you'd asked about the maxtor thing, most people would have just *told* youj

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J-e-f-f-A:

alsoconfused: Welcome back! (Oh, you're on comcast... that's why!) ;-)

[03:09:16]

Aquahallic:

evenin' folks

[03:09:29]

Aquahallic:

Can someone tell me what this means exactly???

[03:09:31]

Aquahallic:

Video timing method: USleep with busy wait

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evilDagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: I can't exactly check that, but I'll assume you're going through the same stuff

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alsoconfused:

evilDagmar: i was seeing if i could recover stuff for my brother who bought a dell, with a maxtor..

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Aquahallic:

Where is this set at??

[03:10:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

alsoconfused: Yeah... that's what I did!

[03:10:58]

evilDagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Well, usuallyh after I've been with them for six months, they've _learned_ not to argue with me, but I've been slack about carping at them

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evilDagmar:

I managed to talk to the last CS rep without swearing even once

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ARfdee:

anyone using ftdi_sio?

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alsoconfused:

evilDagmar: the cable modem has been good for about 8 years now, but i'll dump them in a sec for some upstream

[03:11:27]

evilDagmar:

alsoconfused: I had a half T1 SDSL when I was in the bay ara

[03:11:29]

evilDagmar:

THat was nice

[03:11:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

alsoconfused: What part of mass are you in? Do they have FiOS yet? (I have it in marlborough...)

[03:12:08]

evilDagmar:

BellSouth will probably never get FIOS until some gov't agency forces them to at gunpoint

[03:12:21]

Aquahallic:

evilDagmar do you know where exactly this is set at?

[03:12:31]

evilDagmar:

Aquahallic: xorg.conf

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alsoconfused:

J-e-f-f-A: not in easton yet. I used to laught at my friend in middleboro when i had cable and he was stuck on dialup. now he has fios and calls my connection quaint

[03:12:48]

Aquahallic:

k... ty

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J-e-f-f-A:

alsoconfused: hehe ;-)

[03:13:06]

evilDagmar:

Aquahallic: You're going to have to Google to learn what usleep and busy wait is before you're going to be able to make any sensible decisions about it

[03:13:35]

evilDagmar:

If you have an NVidia card I can at least suggest looking at hte README for hte driver to learn about the new "UseEvents" directive

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[03:14:47]

opello:

hm, my pvr-500 is having problems too ... oddly coincidental

[03:14:53]

alsoconfused:

evilDagmar: i've been playing and working with computers for decades. i never dreamed things would ever be as good as a nice linux box, a decent connection, and MYTHTV!

[03:15:18]

alsoconfused:

i'm driving a f*cking rolls royce!

[03:15:44]

evilDagmar:

Yeah, but you had to build it first

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alsoconfused:

so did mr. rolls

[03:16:00]

evilDagmar:

I narrowly escaped a big argument with one of hte NLUG directors earlier tonight

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evilDagmar:

Attendance is so low they almost disbanded it

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evilDagmar:

I know why *that* is

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evilDagmar:

THe directors are doing a shit job of actual advocacy

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alsoconfused:

why?

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evilDagmar:

If you *ask* them about LInux, they'll say "Yeah it's awesome"

[03:16:56]

evilDagmar:

...but when they do presentations, what are they doing it on? Macbooks. BSD machines.

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alsoconfused:

screw advocacy. it's like talking up a nice restaurant and inso, ruining it

[03:17:12]

evilDagmar:

That's a great way to promote something... by never actually using it in publkic

[03:17:41]

evilDagmar:

So newbies come and learn all sorts of ways to actually *avoid* using Linux

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alsoconfused:

i shouldn't say that though. i could not find a decent unix job, so now i'm clicking on windows at work. i have sunk so low.

[03:18:44]

ben_goodger:

of course they do presentations on macbooks: OS X is the only tolerable OS for presentation

[03:18:45]

dr_willis:

"do you want fries with that?"

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dr_willis:

:)

[03:19:02]

evilDagmar:

I never have a problem using Linux for presentations.

[03:19:18]

evilDagmar:

The *worst* problem I've ever had was when it actually got EDID info back about a wall projector

[03:19:30]

evilDagmar:

Yeah, 100dpi rocks out on a 24 foot screen.

[03:19:31]

alsoconfused:

it's mostly perl applications, but cripes, give me some decent tools... an os, editor, a shell!

[03:19:46]

evilDagmar:

Fonts all of two f*cking pixels high

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evilDagmar:

I had to force DPI away from the _real_ value

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dr_willis:

gotta squint to see those!

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alsoconfused:

an email client that will display the freaking smtp headers

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evilDagmar:

Evolution FTW

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alsoconfused:

an xterm that will stretch

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alsoconfused:

evilDagmar: i wish i could use evo at work. outlook for everything. horrible

[03:21:18]

evilDagmar:

There's an Evo build for Win32 now

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evilDagmar:

I've been quietly using it at the office

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evilDagmar:

....because for some reason they think I need to be on every goddamn mailing list possible

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evilDagmar:

OUtlook's filtering sucks festering donkey ****

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alsoconfused:

yeah, but i'm not about to get involved with a nonexistant IT staff. i'm pretty sure they have no pop/imap going.

[03:22:42]

evilDagmar:

Evolution exchange connector works

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alsoconfused:

evilDagmar: the less email i get there, the better off i am anyway.

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evilDagmar:

Some of the emails I need to know about, *immediately* when they come in

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evilDagmar:

But, for instance, I get 2–3 emails every time the mail servers update their anti-spam signatures, which happens 2–3 times an hour

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alsoconfused:

lovely

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evilDagmar:

Yep. The tape robot sends out two dozen emails a day, only two I have to actually care about.

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dr_willis:

report it as spam! :)

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ARfdee:

anyone using ftdi_sio module for usb-uirt?

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evilDagmar:

It's Proofpoint.

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alsoconfused:

the only consolation is that the guy i'm working with is as disgusted by minwods as i am.

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alsoconfused:

minwods==windows

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ben_goodger:

yes...

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evilDagmar:

I mainly survive courtesy of Pidgin and Cygwin/X

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alsoconfused:

i haven't gotten around to install X yet. gvim, and cygwin so far

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dr_willis:

Been using that Xming for remote X desktops here.

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alsoconfused:

ahh, an Xserver. i've used many of them in the past but never found one that compared to a "real" one.

[03:29:51]

alsoconfused:

chameleon, etc.

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dr_willis:

gets me xchat on my windows machine. :) so it does all i need. heh

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alsoconfused:

i hear ya

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dr_willis:

My poor overloaded mythtv box – working as a remote X server. and a fileserver...

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dr_willis:

not sure if it can handle getting the torrents as well.

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alsoconfused:

i just have one box on the desk with a 17" lcd and a 2nd vid card for the tv.

[03:32:48]

dr_willis:

i got the mythtv box in the basement. :) gotta teach the wife how to use Mythweb to tag her shows she wants recorded.

[03:32:58]

dr_willis:

then i beter buy a bigger HD for it.. because she will tag everything

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alsoconfused:

yep. I'll hit 1TB soon enough.

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dr_willis:

this NDAS enclousre i got can work as a raid with a 2nd enclosure.. :) tempted to get 2 500gb's for that.

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opello:

J-e-f-f-A: what was wrong with your pvr-500?

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alsoconfused:

dr_willis: yeah, make two partitions on each drive. run one pair as raid-1 and the other as raid-0.

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dr_willis:

alsoconfused, not sure this NDAS can do that. :0

[03:36:58]

dr_willis:

reading its specs/site at the moment.

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alsoconfused:

dr_willis: it's hardware raid?

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dr_willis:

http://ximeta.com/products/ndenclosure1_en.php

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dr_willis:

its A hard diskj encousure that has a network conection. (NDAS) that can work as a raid with 2 encosures

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alsoconfused:

it looks like it used software raid on the host

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dr_willis:

from what im reading it handes it internally. No host

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dr_willis:

but for now – i only got one enclosure. :)

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dr_willis:

debating what way to expand my networkstorage. Get a cheap pc + gigabit nic. and drives.. or get another one of these enclosures.

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alsoconfused:

dr_willis: what does this mean? "Simply place the installation CD into each computer that will use NetDis"

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dr_willis:

alsoconfused, you have to set up the actual 'connection' software. to see the ndas device.

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opello:

8grr, piece of shit mythstreamtv broke my permissions on my recordings dir, and i missed a week of stuff

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dr_willis:

but its not actually doing the raid there.

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dr_willis:

alsoconfused, i got it going under linux with a kernel module you have to also cofigure a settings file with the id key off the bottom of the device.

[03:43:00]

dr_willis:

it then sees the device as a local hard drive. You can fdisk and format it and so forth.

[03:43:26]

dr_willis:

but it dident want to format it right for me under linux over the network. have to file a bug on that.

[03:43:36]

dr_willis:

Luckly the USB conector worked for the formating.

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alsoconfused:

dr_willis: so it presents a raid block device?

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alsoconfused:

phone call, at this time of night? one moment

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dr_willis:

alsoconfused, apraently it can

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ARfdee:

help, updated to f7, updated myth, won't start:O

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ARfdee:

oh poop, my mysql user got deleted

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ARfdee:

or maybe not

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ARfdee:

service mysqld start

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ARfdee:

chown: `mysql:mysql': invalid user

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ARfdee:

chown: `mysql:mysql': invalid user

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matey:

hey hm

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dr_willis:

bbl

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matey:

can someone help me setup my wintv nexus? it works in kaffeine, but not in myth

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matey:

halp

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tuxmack:

blah cant even get a signal with my tv-card :-(

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dr_willis:

Hmm.. Ive had 2 SD cards for my Camera die within 2 weeks....

[04:27:49]

dr_willis:

well for my GP2x. Been conveting MythTv videos to portable format on them

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cesman:

dr_willis: how do you like the GP2x?

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cesman:

I've thought about getting one for some time now...

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dr_willis:

cesman, it plays good video. but Egads.. I cant keep SD cards it seems

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kormoc:

might be warranty time

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** cesman thinks the perfect portable Linux power device would be a combination of the GP2x and the N800 **

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dr_willis:

The card was a week old

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kormoc:

I mean of the GP2x, I would say it's defective

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dr_willis:

avidumx can convert videos decently well.

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dr_willis:

kormoc, not sure if its that or not.

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dr_willis:

last time the card i had seemed to die inside the media reader under windows

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kormoc:

ooh, ick

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dr_willis:

This time i Just pliugged it onthe gp2x and it dident see it.. so i cant prove it was the gp

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dr_willis:

Hard to prove anything i guess either way

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dr_willis:

Whats a good brand of SD card anyway?

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kormoc:

I tend to stick with Sony's memory sticks, so I can't really recommend any first hand... Samsung makes some tho, right?

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dr_willis:

I got a Sandisk, a Kodak, and a Kingston

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dr_willis:

so far ive had a Kodak and Kingston both die on me

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kormoc:

Sandisk's are very common

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dr_willis:

well so far sandisk has worked for me the longest.

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dr_willis:

and its only like 3 weeks old.

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kormoc:

that's so sad

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kormoc:

my memory sticks are both over 3 years old and still going strong

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dr_willis:

Picked up the Kingston last week. used it like twice. and windows and linux both catn read it.

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kormoc:

and I bought them used

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dr_willis:

could just be a fluke.

[04:38:58]

kormoc:

could be

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** kormoc shrugs **

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dr_willis:

cant find the *#*&@*@ reciet either

[04:39:43]

dr_willis:

i had one copy i sent in with a mail in rebate.. lets see.. where did the other go. :)

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dr_willis:

it was only $20 but still!

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dr_willis:

I thought Kingston was a good brand

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dr_willis:

aha found it..

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dr_willis:

it says "life time warrenty' on the reciept. :)

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kormoc:

heh, too bad it's already dead :P

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dr_willis:

Must be the lifetime of a Hampster on the first day of Kindergarten!

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dr_willis:

cesman, the gp2x is ok for a media player. It could use more cpu power however. and its not widescreen. PSP looked bette.. but egafdsit was a pain to convert video to psp format

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kormoc:

dr_willis, nuvexport supports it

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dr_willis:

gp2x can only do 320x240 res video. :(

[04:45:05]

dr_willis:

kormoc, yea. but it was still a pain. :) i traded off my psp to my brother for his GP2x

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dr_willis:

so its a toss up. PSP cant run the emulators as easially as the gp2x.

[04:45:42]

dr_willis:

Id like to get a Nokia N800 but they are too pricy

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dr_willis:

so would most people say SD cards are decently reliable? was going to get a Camera that used SD cards for the wife. but if they die this easialy..

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kormoc:

you're the first one I've heard ever have any flash memory die so fast, typically it's after some abuse, like being dropped in salt water or what not

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dr_willis:

well that aint happened. Its been in its little pastic case.

[04:50:32]

dr_willis:

I guessi will get a new usb-reader tomorrow and exchange this card.

[04:50:45]

dr_willis:

tried 2 different readers however. (actually 3 different ones)

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kormoc:

not touching the contacts on the card are ya?

[04:51:57]

dr_willis:

barely touched the card..

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dr_willis:

put it in reader.. copies stff over.. put it back in case..

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: ping... ;-)

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hondaman:

Im installing mythtv on F7, and I cant see any menus, either in mythtv-setup, or in mythtv frontend. The background is there, but no menu. Can anyone help me?

[05:02:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

hondaman: I don't know if it will help, but try forcing the them painter to QT with 'mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt'

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clever[rev]:

#

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clever[rev]:

can that handle mythtv stuff mostly?

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hondaman:

that didnt fix it jeffa :|

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kormoc:

hondaman, could be missing fonts. any output when run in a terminal

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hondaman:

lots of output, but nothing that looks out of place.

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hondaman:

one line says switching to square mode

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kormoc:

try with -v most?

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hondaman:

-v most isnt a valid arguement it says

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

I thougt it was, sorry

[05:10:28]

kormoc:

could try -v all and really get all the output :P

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hondaman:

yeah, i just tried all. lets see what it says.

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J-e-f-f-A:

or '-v all,nodatabase' ...

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tcpsyn:

I figured out my mytharchive problem

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hondaman:

ty jeffa, haha. 100000000 million lines of mysql

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tcpsyn:

The problem was the nic card on my backend

[05:12:36]

tcpsyn:

It was set to 10/half

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tcpsyn:

and racking up tons of errors

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J-e-f-f-A:

tcpsyn: Wow, that's fast! ;-)

[05:12:49]

tcpsyn:

now it's actually working.

[05:13:09]

tcpsyn:

it's weird that a network issue would affect the cpu on the frontend so much

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hondaman:

still no errors. one about joystick. it says its using qt painter, but im in gnome. is that a problem?

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kormoc:

as long as qt is installed, nope

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hondaman:

so weird.

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** juski sits down, gulps from pint of water. **

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juski:

morning!

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** J-e-f-f-A waves at juski. **

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Dagmar:

Morningish

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juski:

well, I think Manchester is officially a bit more red now than it was when we first met up yesterday :)

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juski:

oh yeah and it was my first night out as a non-smoker

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tcpsyn:

I'm a non-smoker once a week

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tcpsyn:

I try to quit every week

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tcpsyn:

and fail

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tcpsyn:

miserably

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tcpsyn:

I blame linux

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juski:

heh. sounds like you just need more willpower

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tcpsyn:

my willpower is broken.

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hondaman:

i fixed my disappearing menus

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hondaman:

it works in kde.

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hondaman:

in gnome, the menus arent there.

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** Tanthrix grudingly installs Vista so he can start getting the feel for it **

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Tanthrix:

(In a virtual machine, of course!)

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juski:

hondaman: so use kde then :)

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hondaman:

i am ;(

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tcpsyn:

kde owns anyway

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juski:

I tried Kubuntu at work for a while & I have to confess I really don't like it. Daft menu layout. I spose if I switch I'd get used to it but...

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tcpsyn:

eh, everyones different.

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juski:

yep. vive la difference etc!

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Dagmar:

It's because it's KDE

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tcpsyn:

damn right it is

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Dagmar:

It's a different bus, but it's still a short bus.

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tcpsyn:

bah

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tcpsyn:

now my dvds burn

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tcpsyn:

but with no sound

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tcpsyn:

frustrating

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tcpsyn:

weird.

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tcpsyn:

actually the dvd works in the dvd player

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tcpsyn:

just not in mythdvd

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hondaman:

hi, anyone wanna take a stab at helping me figure out my audio? I have no audio from live tv. audio works in linux. I have tried changing the audio output and mixer to "ALSA:default" and "default" respectively

[07:50:17]

hondaman:

yeah, thats what they were set to initially

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cesman:

perhaps line in isn't recording if you have a software based tuner?

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hondaman:

i have a stb, and the left/right line out is plugged into the back of my hauppauge

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cesman:

hauppauge what?

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hondaman:

win-tv pvr250

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xris:

hondaman: pvr-250 encodes its own audio

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cesman:

right, so hondaman no need to worry about my statement above

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hondaman:

sorry for being dumb, but so if it encodes its own audio, what do i need to do next?

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hondaman:

back in the olden days, i used to have to load some firmware using windows drivers. i did load the ivtv firmware via yum. does that replace the old way of doing it?

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cesman:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto

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cesman:

take a look at 'test the card'

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Tanthrix:

Costco has the 37 inch LVM-37W3 1080P set for 799

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Tanthrix:

Insanity.

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hondaman:

ah, k. so the test.mpg didnt have sound either. and it said that it couldnt find an audio stream when i scroll up to see what happened.

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XChatMav:

evening all

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XChatMav is now known as MaverickTech

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MaverickTech:

evening all

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MaverickTech:

that's better

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MaverickTech:

I've just done an svn update from trunk, and a clean make

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MaverickTech:

I am getting compile errors in myththemedmenu.cpp

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Anduin:

MaverickTech: put the errors on a paste site

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xris:

hondaman: do you have the audio firmware installed?

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hondaman:

xris, well, im not sure. i loaded all the firmware stuff from atrpms, and i dont know if thats good enough. the ivtvdriver site talks about an ancient (.4) version of ivtv, and how to extract the firmware for it, but i dont know if thats still relevant/updated

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xris:

hondaman: should be ivtv-firmware-audio, or something like that

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Anduin:

hondaman: You should look at the ivtv init section in dmesg (though I'm not aware of a 250 with the audio chip that requires the firmware)

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Tanthrix:

hondaman: Check your dmesg, it would probably tell you if it couldn't find the audio firmware

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Tanthrix:

Er, I'm slow apparently. (What Anduin said)

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hondaman:

there is no error in dmesg | grep ivtv

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hondaman:

ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (376836 bytes)

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hondaman:

http://pastebin.ca/530931

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hondaman:

looks ok to my untrained eye

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MaverickTech:

Anduin: http://www.pastebin.ca/530939

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directhex:

sniff sniff

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directhex:

smells utf-8ish

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Anduin:

MaverickTech: which "from svn" are you using?

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MaverickTech:

svn trunk > http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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MaverickTech:

I am 99.9% sure I have not futzed with anything to do with myththemedmenu.cpp

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Anduin:

MaverickTech: You probably have a conflict in there (your line numbers don't match), revert or edit and fix.

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Anduin:

hondaman: looks ok to me as well, you are using the composite input?

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MaverickTech:

eeeek

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** MaverickTech hides under the table to avoid a beating **

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hondaman:

Anduin: im using the left/right rca from the back of the STB into the rca jack into the back of the pvr-250

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Anduin:

hondaman: Yes, but which for video?

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Anduin:

(if you say f-type, well there is your problem)

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hondaman:

oh, sorry, svid

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MaverickTech:

Anduin: there was something smelly, I reverted myththemedmenu.cpp

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Anduin:

hondaman: I'd try "normal" cable as well (just as something to test), from S-video certainly should work

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MaverickTech:

thanks for your time, sorry to have troubled the channel

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Tanthrix:

Methinks there should still be an audio track, even if nothing is hooked up to the inputs

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Anduin:

That is true

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hondaman:

anduin, would a cable, like the type thats plugged into my stb from the dish work? to plug from the stb out-to-tv into the pvr-250?

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Anduin:

could tcprobe to confirm it really isn't there

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Anduin:

hondaman: Hmm, a harder test with sat, it could work though, just use channel 3, could also verify that there really is no audio stream, what Tanthrix said should be true (even when there is no real audio the stream should be there)

[09:09:36]

hondaman:

well, i know there is an audio stream coming from the stb. if i the rca jack into the soundcard line-in, i can hear the tv

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hondaman:

if i plug*

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Anduin:

hondaman: yeah, but in the mpeg stream, you can use tcprobe (part of transcode) or mplayer -v to see if it finds a stream

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hondaman:

it didnt find a stream in my test.mpg

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Anduin:

hondaman: you can also check the volume setting on the ivtv card with v4l2-ctl

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Tanthrix:

I'd say turn the computer off, unplug the power, wait 30 seconds, then turn back on at this point

[09:11:56]

Tanthrix:

I've had issues in the past that could not be fixed by anything but that (including a regular reboot)

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Tanthrix:

Just to be sure it isn't some weird quirk

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Tanthrix:

(This was with a PVR-150, and an older driver – was fixed with later releases – damned annoying though. Happened everytime I rebooted the system or there was a power outage.)

[09:13:20]

hondaman:

http://www.pastebin.ca/530965

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hondaman:

does that tell me anything useful?

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: I swear, I tested it numerous times. I'm big on the scientific method ;)

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: Oh, I believe you, it certainly wouldn't hurt anything.

[09:18:21]

Tanthrix:

I was very dubious at first though and didn't bother with it until I finally had two separate people telling me to try it

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Tanthrix:

Well, off to bed. Good luck hondaman.

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Anduin:

hondaman: how about just -l

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hondaman:

thanks for the help

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hondaman:

http://www.pastebin.ca/530971

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Anduin:

hondaman: can you tcprobe -i your test.mpg?

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hondaman:

http://www.pastebin.ca/530972

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Anduin:

hondaman: your volume could be louder but should be audible at that volume

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AndyCap:

grrmf, who let the tv_grab_no dev smoke crack?

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voltagex:

hi, when I hit "R" to record the current show, is there any way to make it keep recording until stopped?

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Aquahallic:

Mornin' folks

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planktonboy:

hi chaps

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Aquahallic:

If I used mythtv autostart.. where does this get loaded up? I'd like to set mythfrontend to start with a log??

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planktonboy:

Aquallic, you mean have mythfrontend start automatically on turning on the pc?

[10:31:13]

Aquahallic:

yes...

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Aquahallic:

it's setup like that now... it's a USE flag when I emerge it in gentoo

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planktonboy:

Aquallic, what manager you using, gnome or kde or other

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planktonboy:

if gnome I know how to

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planktonboy:

if kde I dont :)

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Aquahallic:

it's already logging in auto

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planktonboy:

ah gentoo...not too sure

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Aquahallic:

I just need to know where it's being called so I can change the commandline

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Aquahallic:

yeah...:P

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planktonboy:

Aquallic, maybe someone else will know more than me, but for me it is set in /home/mythtv/.gnomrerc

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planktonboy:

oops I mean .gnomerc

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planktonboy:

not sure if that will be same for Gentoo distro though

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planktonboy:

does anyone know about htdigest

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Aquahallic:

I just did mythweb

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planktonboy:

I am trying to setup secure login to mythweb

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planktonboy:

Aquallic :)

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Aquahallic:

what error you getting?

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planktonboy:

yeah I can only get it to work with htpasswd, not htdigest

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planktonboy:

I think its to do with the realm type

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Aquahallic:

apache2

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Aquahallic:

?

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planktonboy:

yup

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Aquahallic:

yeah I did htpasswd

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planktonboy:

right

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planktonboy:

yes that works fine

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Aquahallic:

why you want digest?

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planktonboy:

but htdigest is supposed to be a little more secure

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planktonboy:

and the myhweb readme files says to use that if possible

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Aquahallic:

ahhh.... well... I only allow access to my mythbox from internal IP's soooo not really a big deal

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Aquahallic:

man... I wish I knew what was calling mythtv when I login..:/

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planktonboy:

Aquallic, yeah sorry I cant help with that

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planktonboy:

what do they mean by realm name in htdigest

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sannes:

just a name, isn't it?

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Aquahallic:

heh... I do remember I added this line... c8:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty --autologin mythtv tty8

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Aquahallic:

just don't remember where...:|

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sannes:

inittab ?

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Aquahallic:

THAT'S IT

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Aquahallic:

lol

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planktonboy:

aha

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Aquahallic:

was 3 am this morning

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planktonboy:

In order to avoid to have our password transmitted as clear text, we are going to use the Digest Authentication.

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planktonboy:

This kind of authentication actually relies on an apache module which is not enable by default: auth_digest. To enable it, simply run:

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planktonboy:

sudo a2enmod auth_digest

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planktonboy:

lets see if that works

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sannes:

Will a masterbackend server wake up slavebackends to make a recording?

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Aquahallic:

ok so... if I added that to initab.. that logs in mythtv user auto... but what would make X startup and fire off mythfrontend automatically?

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sannes:

probably a startx and .xsession ?

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sannes:

where startx is set either as a shell or in whatever shell startup script the mythtv user is set up with ..

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Aquahallic:

aha.... I found it

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Aquahallic:

.xinitrc

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Aquahallic:

;)

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Aquahallic:

ty...;)

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Aquahallic:

hmmm trying to set rtprio mythfrontend gives me this... Realtime priority would require SUID as root.

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voltagex:

Aquahallic: so setuid the mythfrontend then?

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PaulWay:

Anyone set up one of those minimyth setups?

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PaulWay:

My brother has flashed his but can't get it to boot.

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PaulWay:

Or, more precisely, it's booting but it's not starting up all the way – some configuration error.

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blackest:

hi anyone used a world dvb-s 100 card ?

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blackest:

sorry kworld

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blackest:

no one about ?

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maty:

i got a wintv nexua dvb-s card, what card type do i have to set in mythtv-setup?

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Aquahallic:

would using an AC97 soundcard have something to do with Writeaudio buffer underruns??

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planktonboy:

does anyone know how to resolve a <LocationMatch not allowed here

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planktonboy:

error using htdigest authentication in apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf

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planktonboy:

if I have that commented out I cant stream music or recordings via mythweb, but if I uncomment it I get that location match error

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gardengnome:

maty: the DTV one

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Aquahallic:

can mplayer be used as your default livetv player in mythtv??

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gardengnome:

no.

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GreyFoxx:

no

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blackest:

can mythtv work with a softcam :)

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gardengnome:

no

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GreyFoxx:

blackest: softcam is a topic that isn't allowed in here :)

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blackest:

maplins just opened today near me they have kworld dvb-s 100 in stock for Â£60 I think there is a linux driver so i guess fta should work with mythtv

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blackest:

i have other sat recievers but getting mythtv to work with them seems problematic

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blackest:

i would need a decent mpeg2 encoder i guess

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GreyFoxx:

why ? The dvb signal will already be encoded

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blackest:

yes but it doesn't get out most sat boxes

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GreyFoxx:

oh, yes, if you are recording from the analog outputs you would kinda want an encoder

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GreyFoxx:

but if you have access to FTA channels you can record them directly

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blackest:

this is why i am concidering getting the kworld card that way its direct mpeg to disc

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maty:

well

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blackest:

i did think about maybe setting up a video sender connecting that to my satellite box and connecting the reciever to my pc

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maty:

it wont find any programs

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maty:

channels

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maty:

i'm frustrated

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blackest:

i guess using composite in will be just as awkward

[12:18:12]

sannes:

Does a master backend ever start slave backends at other times than at startup ?

[12:24:53]

S2:

dos'nt that work already with wake on lan?

[12:25:57]

S2:

"Wake command for slaves" is the one command executed to wake your Slave backends. This should be a script that contains the calls to wakeup all Slave backend systems.

[12:28:26]

sannes:

well, it only does that at startup it seems to me?

[12:30:28]

sannes:

fwiw I want to be able to use mythweb and add a recording, and then when it is going to record; it wakes up one slave and starts the recording ..

[12:31:42]

sannes:

what seems to be happening now is that when a slavebackend is offline, non of the scheduled recordings on that slave shows up in the status of the master backend ..

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sannes:

if I start the slave backend the recordings reappear (and work), but then I'd have to have the slave on all the time ..

[12:34:26]

sannes:

so what would have been nice is if it sent an WOL to a slave when needed ..

[12:35:02]

S2:

i understand. i tought it already works like that.

[12:37:26]

blackest:

would an ubuntu install transfer between pc's i am thinking about bringing my mythtv-backend onto a more powerful box

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sannes:

S2 : the giveaway that it does not work like that, is that there is one wake command for all slaves, and not one for each ..

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juski:

blackest: not all channels on 'Freesat' are free to view

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juski:

blackest: ITV, C4, Five etc need a viewing card supplied by Sky

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blackest:

theres more than 28.2 out there i tend towards hotbird and 19.2

[12:42:02]

S2:

sannes: i have only one fe/be system and a fe, i never installed a second remote beckedn system, so i belive you :)

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juski:

blackest: anything worth watching then?

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sannes:

S2 : and here I was hoping someone would point out that I'm mistaken .. heh, guess I have to look at the source now :P

[12:43:02]

juski:

decent free movie channels or anything?

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blackest:

quite a lot on a technomate 1500ci

[12:43:25]

juski:

no dodgy cams needed though?

[12:43:34]

blackest:

sometimes :)

[12:43:47]

juski:

only interested in legit stuff

[12:43:59]

juski:

since I started using linux I came over all moral

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blackest:

it all depends on the channel there is a tendency for broadcasts to have a 2ndary english audio channel

[12:45:42]

juski:

nifty

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juski:

I wonder if mythtv selects the home language channel or just the 1st one it finds

[12:46:32]

juski:

it'd piss me off having to select the 'other' audio track every time

[12:46:40]

blackest:

well i don't know yet

[12:46:58]

juski:

I know a fair bit about mythtv but not that :)

[12:47:19]

juski:

like I wouldn't have the foggiest clue about what to do with discecq etc

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gbee:

juski: we auto-select the right language based on preferences

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blackest:

i think this kworld sat card could be good it looks like it has ahem all the features available to it but probably only in windows

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juski:

gbee: that's cool :)

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juski:

blackest: linuxtv.org

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gbee:

juski: although that assumes that the stream is identified correctly as English

[12:48:04]

juski:

gbee: of course!

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juski:

gawd I'm in need of a sleep this afternoon I think

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blackest:

there does appear to be a driver for it under linux but probably not as fully featured as the windows one.

[12:48:55]

juski:

blackest: I doubt it somehow

[12:48:56]

gbee:

I was going to strim the grass on my allotment, but it's a little too hot under the direct sun for manual labour ;)

[12:49:14]

juski:

I was in Asda at 8.30am

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gbee:

beats the crowds :)

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juski:

hahaha.. don't remember doing this;

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juski:

juski: when you have a discussion about the rights vs wrongs of Tony Blair vs common sense with a Taxi driver, you *know* you have had too much to drink! hik!

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gbee:

lol

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blackest:

http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/ . . . LIST.cx88#40 seems to be there :)

[12:51:54]

juski:

blackest: so er.. what 'features' might you expect the linux driver not to have that the windows one does?

[12:52:28]

juski:

it's prolly only the software which comes supplied with the card that does magic tricks anyway

[12:52:31]

blackest:

not allowed to discuss that in this channel

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gbee:

damn, 4 away from my best score on knetwalk

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juski:

the linux driver won't stop you doing anything like that

[12:53:23]

juski:

more is the pity!

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gbee:

guess I should go outside again before it rains and I've wasted all the nice weather

[12:54:24]

juski:

if somebody would stop mowing their ducking lawn I'd go outside & have my snooze there

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** gbee tries imagine a lawn specifically designed for Ducks **

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blackest:

I think i am going to buy the card and see how it goes i might need to run windows thou, which sucks

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juski:

gbee: T9 predictive swearing ;)

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gbee:

;)

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juski:

arggghhh Hoegaarden has wrecked my guts

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juski:

despite not owning a dog

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maty:

halp

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maty:

channel scan no worky

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juski:

maty: analogue or digital?

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maty:

digital

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juski:

maty: tuner hardware works in linux and you have proved it works already?

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gbee:

heh, last time I drank that stuff I was in Brighton with some mates for my 18th birthday – wasn't impressed at the time

[12:59:18]

maty:

yes

[12:59:23]

maty:

works with kaffeine

[12:59:46]

gbee:

terrestrial, cable or satellite?

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maty:

sat

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hugolp:

its what I do

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Aquahallic:

hmmm

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Aquahallic:

what's this NVP: prebuffering pause

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maty:

it so err what scan?

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hugolp:

maty: www.linuxtv.org and then go to the dvb wiki and there youll find a page on how to scan for channels

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hugolp:

and how to create a channels.conf file that you can load into mythtv

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maty:

hm ok tks

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gbee:

Aquahallic: means the decoder has run out of data to parse, so it has to pause playback until it can buffer enough to continue

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gbee:

Aquahallic: remote frontend?

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gbee:

hugolp: I assume there is a ticket open for your particular scanning problems?

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** gbee leaves **

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hugolp:

gbee: nop

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** gbee is dragged back **

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Aquahallic:

no.. backend and frontend on same machine

[13:05:12]

hugolp:

what should I say its quite random isue

[13:05:32]

hugolp:

actually I did a test and re-scan with mythtv four times in a row

[13:05:43]

hugolp:

it took like 3 or 4 minutes

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hugolp:

and it found diferent channels on each scan

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gbee:

well say all that – a good ticket explains the problem in detail, what you've tried, what hardware you are using and what networks cause the problem – you should also be prepared to give followup information when asked

[13:07:59]

gbee:

I tried to persuade the other devs that we should invest in some mind reading technology so we could fix issues without being told about them, but I wasn't successful

[13:08:25]

hugolp:

gbee give me the link of the bug mythtv web

[13:08:40]

hugolp:

gbee: now that you are here

[13:08:55]

briand:

svn.mythtv.org/trac

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maty:

i didnt really understand how to create a channels.conf file. but ive downloaded one, and it doesnt work either

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hugolp:

maty: you cant use someone elses channels.conf file

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maty:

i see

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hugolp:

well unless its from the same city or area you are from

[13:13:36]

maty:

its dvb-s

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hugolp:

maty its very easy

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hugolp:

then have the same satelite signal than you

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hugolp:

maty check this page http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan

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maty:

ya, already did, in a way

[13:16:43]

hugolp:

actually that page is only for dvb-t but in a previous page I think youve got dvb-s

[13:16:54]

hugolp:

I got only dvb-t and thats what works for me

[13:20:19]

maty:

i dont see anything about beginning and and end-frequencies or so i could use for a dvb-s

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maty:

scan

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hugolp:

maty: dont have idea about how to do it with dvb-s

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Aquahallic:

is there a way to set PCI latency timer at boot??

[13:39:19]

gardengnome:

yes

[13:39:23]

Aquahallic:

?

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gardengnome:

use setpci in your startup scripts

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Aquahallic:

anywhere in particular?

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gardengnome:

depends on your distro

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Aquahallic:

gentoo

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gardengnome:

you can also set them in your BIOS

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gardengnome:

sometimes.

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Aquahallic:

my bios won't let me...:(

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gardengnome:

well, it's gentoo so i assume you know where your init scripts are

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Aquahallic:

D@mn IBM

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Aquahallic:

lol

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Aquahallic:

yeah... so just make a shell script and pop it my init scripts?

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gardengnome:

i'd assume there is a special init script just for simple commands, like /etc/rc.boot or something

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dr_willis:

rc.local is commonly used

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gbee:

now this is more like it, sitting outside in fantastic weather with a beer and streaming music using mythmusic :)

[13:49:34]

Aquahallic:

./etc/conf.d/local.start

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Aquahallic:

;)

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Aquahallic:

thx guys

[13:50:33]

gardengnome:

gbee: streaming? tell me more :)

[13:51:17]

gbee:

gardengnome: well NFS is streaming isn't it? ;)

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gbee:

but I would be using my uPnP patch if it was in a working state

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gardengnome:

heh :)

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maty:

scanning ! :(

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maty:

boohoo

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hugolp:

maty: did it work?

[13:54:16]

maty:

did what work?

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gardengnome:

scanning?

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maty:

i still dont know how to scan

[13:54:39]

maty:

with "scan"

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gardengnome:

well

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gardengnome:

did you read the manual?

[13:55:03]

maty:

the help files seem dvb-t and -c orientated

[13:55:10]

Aquahallic:

can someone tell me what USleep with busy wait is exactly??

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Aquahallic:

:/

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gbee:

gardengnome: mostly applies to mp3s, or at least the biggest benefit will be seen by those with a large number of mp3s – if I get the ogg tagging switched over to taglib, I imagine there will be a similar improvement there too

[13:55:21]

gardengnome:

Aquahallic: it's a video timing method

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maty:

yes i did read it

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Aquahallic:

is there a better way??

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gardengnome:

gbee: nifty. most of my music is mp3.

[13:55:41]

Aquahallic:

like.. a different setting to use??

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gbee:

gardengnome: cool

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gardengnome:

Aquahallic: there's rtc timing, drm timing and opengl vsync AFAIK

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Aquahallic:

what's best to use?

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gardengnome:

gbee: i can't wait to get this hooked up to my TV and show the GF. svn trunk seems to be really good stuff

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Balachmar:

Hi can anyone help me getting my remote control to work?

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gardengnome:

Aquahallic: rtc is pretty good, i suppose. you can enable it by letting mythtv access /dev/rtc (using chmod/chown)

[13:57:16]

Aquahallic:

would that be the SUID error I'm getting trying to load it now?

[13:57:26]

gardengnome:

Aquahallic: what SUID error?

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gbee:

gardengnome: yeah, trunk is a pretty big step up from 0.20 although I can't really remember the differences are :)

[13:57:47]

Balachmar:

And even after a reboot the ir still doesn't work

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gardengnome:

gbee: neither can i. i just know that mythweb looks way better and there's storage groups :)

[13:57:58]

Aquahallic:

2007-06–02 08:08:59.733 Realtime priority would require SUID as root.

[13:57:58]

Aquahallic:

2007-06–02 08:08:59.832 Video timing method: USleep with busy wait

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gardengnome:

Aquahallic: have you read the official documentation at www.mythtv.org regarding realtime priority?

[13:58:47]

gbee:

not even sure how many people will notice some of the differences – there have been some significant improvements and new features, but in terms of eye-candy there hasn't been that much added :)

[13:59:06]

Aquahallic:

I was looking up some errors I was getting and it was suggested to use RTC

[13:59:19]

Aquahallic:

so I made the change and got that kicked back at me

[13:59:27]

gardengnome:

gbee: i read -commits. ;)

[13:59:53]

Aquahallic:

to answer your question... no I haven't read the full documentation on it yet...:)

[14:00:06]

Aquahallic:

YET being keyword here

[14:00:08]

Aquahallic:

ty

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Balachmar:

has no one any idea about the remote? because I am getting desperate

[14:01:36]

Aquahallic:

lirc remote?

[14:01:50]

Balachmar:

Aqua: yes

[14:02:05]

Aquahallic:

?

[14:02:11]

gbee:

Balachmar: when you start mythfrontend does it say anything about lirc in the console?

[14:02:26]

Balachmar:

gbee: I will check that

[14:03:29]

gbee:

Balachmar: hmm, hang on – your lircrc file is in ~? Try moving it to ~/.mythtv/lircrc (no dot before lircrc)

[14:04:00]

gbee:

and pastebin.ca the contents so I can check it's correct

[14:04:53]

Balachmar:

gbee: ok, just booting the computer now

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maty:

mythtv should be able to read vdr channels.conf?

[14:09:02]

gardengnome:

no.

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Balachmar:

gbee: it wors

[14:10:19]

Balachmar:

gbee: it works

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Aquahallic:

gardengnome I'm just looking at some of the mythtv docs.. .and it says something there about enabling real-time scheduling of the display thread... yet it goes to talk about audio

[14:11:04]

Aquahallic:

am I missing something??

[14:12:33]

maty:

fuck it

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gardengnome:

Aquahallic: wait a second.

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Aquahallic:

?

[14:14:32]

Aquahallic:

yeah.. the real-time portion

[14:14:44]

Aquahallic:

where it has rlimits

[14:14:51]

Aquahallic:

that's where I was reading that

[14:15:05]

Aquahallic:

see how it says... real-time video thread

[14:15:08]

gardengnome:

yes.

[14:15:15]

gardengnome:

"Assuming anyone running mythfrontend is in the audio group and rlimits are supported, all you need to do is place this in your /etc/security/limits.conf"

[14:15:18]

Aquahallic:

then the box below it has @audio

[14:15:23]

gardengnome:

what part don't you understand?

[14:15:40]

Aquahallic:

it says audio not video

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Aquahallic:

that's why I ask... Am I missing something?

[14:16:07]

gardengnome:

yes :)

[14:16:12]

Aquahallic:

LOL

[14:16:21]

Aquahallic:

what am I missing.. "besides my MIND"

[14:16:50]

gardengnome:

so, there are groups (less /etc/group). your user can belong to a group, right (see 'id')?

[14:17:00]

Aquahallic:

yup

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gardengnome:

Aquahallic: if your user belongs to the "audio" group and members of the audio group are allowed to use realtime priority threads.. what do you get then?

[14:17:36]

Aquahallic:

the video

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Aquahallic:

realtime video

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gardengnome:

no

[14:17:59]

gardengnome:

it's simply a permission thing

[14:18:03]

Aquahallic:

so do I need to make an entry for @video

[14:18:22]

gardengnome:

you could be a member of group "foobar" and allow members of "foobar" to use realtime priority

[14:19:05]

Aquahallic:

audio:!:18:mythtv

[14:19:07]

Aquahallic:

video:!:27:root,mythtv

[14:19:18]

Aquahallic:

so mythtv is a member of both

[14:19:57]

Aquahallic:

yet.. when I edit the limits.conf I get that SUID error in my frontend logs...

[14:20:19]

Aquahallic:

2007-06–02 08:08:59.733 Realtime priority would require SUID as root.

[14:20:19]

Aquahallic:

2007-06–02 08:08:59.832 Video timing method: USleep with busy wait

[14:21:24]

Aquahallic:

see what I mean?

[14:21:39]

Aquahallic:

mythtv is in video and audio groups

[14:22:08]

Aquahallic:

but I get that message and it reverts back to USleep with busy wait

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gardengnome:

care to explain to me how the video timing method and the priority of the display thread are connected?

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gardengnome:

Aquahallic: also, what version of pam doyou have on your system?

[14:24:31]

Aquahallic:

0.78-r5

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gardengnome:

Aquahallic: what does "Unfortunately, you need PAM version 0.79 or above, which may not be supported by your distribution yet." tell youÃŸ

[14:25:41]

Aquahallic:

:|

[14:26:07]

Aquahallic:

ok.... now I officially feel like a DUMBASS

[14:26:12]

Aquahallic:

sorry man..

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Aquahallic:

thx

[14:26:38]

gardengnome:

Aquahallic: if you want a different video timing, just chmod 777 /dev/rtc and restart play back

[14:34:16]

Balachmar:

Can anyone tell me what to type in the settings for ACPI shutdown en wakeup to work with mythtv

[14:34:45]

Balachmar:

because the article on the wiki only explains how to check if it might work, not how to wet it up in mythtv itself

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** gardengnome is currently fighting ACPI wakeup, too :'( **

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** juski has just woke up **

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** gbee figures than kidding juski that he's slept into Sunday won't really work, so doesn't bother trying **

[14:48:22]

juski:

gbee: my afternoon naps can turn that way very easily

[14:48:40]

juski:

don't quite feel the benefit of that one yet

[14:48:43]

gardengnome:

my

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gardengnome:

s/my//

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gardengnome:

acpi wakeup won't quite work here. sad. :(

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juski:

tends to work for me but the NIC doesn't come back online

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juski:

really defeats the object, that

[14:52:13]

gardengnome:

oh

[14:52:49]

gardengnome:

well, i just checked and it's still completely offline.

[14:53:00]

gardengnome:

that's weird ebcause it works sometimes.

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gardengnome:

i'll try nvram-wakeup

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juski:

very interesting post on the -dev list about stuttery playback with XvMC on unichrome hardware. very interesting indeed!

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gardengnome:

yay. my mainboard is unsupported by nvram-wakeup, too

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juski:

gardengnome: *currently* unsupported you mean.. look on the bright side ;)

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gardengnome:

heh

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cal:

xev isnt seeing the volume keys on my remote.. see's most the other keys. do i need to upgrade a driver?

[15:01:21]

gardengnome:

juski: sometimes i just get weary ;)

[15:01:25]

juski:

I think the majority of effort goes into getting acpi etc stuff worky on laptops first

[15:02:08]

juski:

gardengnome: I know. so do I. so do I. definitely whenever I see regression in minimyth.. recurring stuttery playback

[15:02:52]

juski:

but since I can built it myself I could always try the patch on the -dev list & hard-code the refresh rate to 50Hz :D

[15:03:18]

juski:

see if that helps the playback probs. it's got to be something to do with that- nvp prebuffer pauses etc are all about the timing

[15:03:46]

juski:

the "we are too far ahead, slow down.. noooO! speed up! nooo slow down!"

[15:06:44]

gardengnome:

yay, guess-helper reboot orgy.

[15:10:27]

gbee:

the buffer code needs some attention

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juski:

if I can fix the problem by hard coding the refresh rate detection like Christiaan van Dijk has, then it'll help pin down what's wrong

[15:13:30]

juski:

though quite why the issue isn't seen on *every* recording is beyond me

[15:13:45]

juski:

probably bitrate related too somehow

[15:16:47]

Balachmar:

Hi, can anyone help me with getting mythtv to auto start with acpi?

[15:17:01]

Balachmar:

I know it is working, but I cannot seem to make mythtv do it

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juski:

ah nvram wakeup?

[15:17:29]

Balachmar:

because if I do it myself, it works, but mythtv doesn't put the time into acpi alarm

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juski:

there's an entry in the wiki about that

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Balachmar:

no, using /proc/acpi/alarm

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ACPI_Wakeup

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Balachmar:

problem is, my own computer uses nvram wakeup and it works perfectly, but I don't know how to do the same with acpi

[15:18:50]

Balachmar:

juski: I found that one, but if you read it, it doesn't actuallu tell you what to put into mythtv-setup

[15:18:56]

Balachmar:

and that is my problem...

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gbee:

juski: something isn't right there – when we start to prebuffer we often never buffer enough before trying playback – now I know Isaac intended to reduce channel change times with the current buffering code, but something isn't being accounted for

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juski:

gbee: before playback starts there's a delay of about 5 secs

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juski:

gbee: I think the problem is with the maths used to calculate how the player is keeping up. stuarta suspects this too IIRC

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gbee:

juski: I know stuarta was looking at something, but I'm not sure if it's a related issue – IF it is then thats good, at least we know what needs to be fixed

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gbee:

bbl – work to be done in the garden

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maty:

hm the setup wont find any channels for me, no matter if i use a channels.conf or not

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maty:

what can i do?

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juski:

maty: the setup.. dvb-c, dvb-s or dvb-t ?

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maty:

sat

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juski:

you in germany?

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maty:

yeah

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maty:

astra

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juski:

see the ubuntu page at mythwiki.de – very good guide for satellite there apparently

[15:26:26]

juski:

and folks with dvb-s experience tend to hang out more in #mythtv-de FYI

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maty:

did that already ..

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maty:

hm alright, i'll try that channel

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gardengnome:

you've done something wrong then ;) did you modify that LNB setting?

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juski:

dvb-s isn't popuplar in english speaking countries yet ;)

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maty:

didnt modify any lnb settings

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maty:

i think there arent even any

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maty:

except for the channel scan

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gardengnome:

you need to add an LNB

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gardengnome:

i think it's called "universal LNB"

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RatFerret:

I'm sure I am being a complete moron, bur whenever I check the mythweather plugin all the values say things like mythweatherobj(). The Radar maps works perfectly. Am running 0.20 on top of a new isntall of debian 4.0. Any suggestions?

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gardengnome:

RatFerret: mythweather is broken

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RatFerret:

ok then. I won't feel bad :)

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juski:

hard-coding webpage scrapers was maybe ill-advised, in hindsight :-P

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blackest:

hi anyone got a channels.conf for hotbird?

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juski:

blackest: you only need an initial tuning file for satellites. mythtv-setup will do the rest

[16:07:13]

juski:

I can tell you now that the over the air guide data won't work in 0.20-fixes if you import a channels.conf

[16:08:46]

juski:

should be one in the dvb-utils guff somewhere

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blackest:

does the over the air guide data work in earlier versions

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juski:

blackest: importing a channels.conf file misses out info vital for EIT guide data to work in 0.20-fixes

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blackest:

my backends running on edgy so i think may be slightly earlier

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juski:

there was a fix for that in svn head which might have been backported to -fixes recently I can't remember

[16:10:21]

blackest:

i'm probably on the edgy repro i don't think i got it from svn

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juski:

the -fixes branch comes out of svn ;)

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blackest:

hmm nothing like more work lol ok i am going to play with this card, going quite well so far i got one transponder out of kaffiene anyway and my old knife scores are still good on my dish lined them up and got straight on :)

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juski:

one thing I know from lurking here is that to get stattylites to work in miffytv you need to tell it tuning info for at least one transponder

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** gardengnome sobs **

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gardengnome:

nvram-wakeup makes baby gnomes cry:(

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gardengnome:

juski: FYI, janne fixed the channel.conf import AFAIK

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juski:

gardengnome: I know, but I don't know if it got backported to -fixes or when, if it did

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gardengnome:

blackest: did you go into the diseqc settings screen and added an "universal lnb"?

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gardengnome:

juski: i think it was backported

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blackest:

yes

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juski:

blackest: when you get it working could you be a real dear & put something in the wikiwikiwah about it?

[16:15:46]

juski:

there's a serious lack of stattylight info in the wiki

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blackest:

thanks for the help ok i will see what i can do

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blackest:

thou i started with all the drivers installed from mercurial so the card was instantly recognised

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juski:

wouldn't worry about screenshots – just explain clearly about the LNB adding, getting tuning data into the scanner n stuff

[16:17:02]

juski:

if I knew what it was all about I'd do it myself, but not having a dvb-s card at the mo..

[16:17:05]

blackest:

ok i will see how it goes i might be hairless before i get it right in myth

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juski:

hahaha okees

[16:17:41]

juski:

like there's no info about how to get analogue tv worky in the UK in the wiki

[16:18:07]

juski:

no info at all on the internets either by the look of it! no ducking wonder folks are so grey and/or hairless. poor sods

[16:18:29]

juski:

not that there's much point bothering with that now ;)

[16:19:01]

juski:

blackest: so yeah there should be a .conf file stashed in dvb-utils somewhere

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blackest:

you can get it workin in the uk lol i sorta got half way with analog got a picture no sound and if i played mp3s on the backend that was the sound on the frontend i gave up

[16:19:37]

juski:

oh I know you _can_ get it worky there's just bugger all info on how to. I mean I know how to in theory, but there's no howtos

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blackest:

but dvb-s should be relatively easy i'm used to sat stuff

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juski:

not everybody is blessed with the mythtv-ologist streak ;)

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blackest:

lol well i did dvb-t so dvb-s is erm similar

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juski:

it's a lot more complex, what with disecq & crap

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blackest:

if i can get it to tune of course

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juski:

just looks like witchcraft to me

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blackest:

well i am going simple no motors yet

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blackest:

disecq isnt that bad with single sat its just a signal to shift bands

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blackest:

you should get half working even without disecq figured out

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blackest:

ta ta for now i got transponders to find :)

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juski:

ahh discecq is the 22khz signal thingy!

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greed_:

Hello, Does anyone know the status of the dvico fusionhdtv pro ?

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juski:

greed_: linuxtv.org !

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juski:

if I were you though I'd stay away from hybrid tuner cards

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greed_:

Yeah i've got a few here. the dual wintv one works ok I suppose pvr500 although there are lines through the picture. I read something about it being because it's split and I need an amplifier. Any idea how true that is ?

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greed_:

s/split/dual

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fysa:

using Fusion5 Gold or something here.. only use it for DVB/QAM though.

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juski:

greed_: it's got an internal splitter yeah

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greed_:

fysa: So I can use the pro with something like modprobe cx88xx card=whatevernumbergoldversionis ?

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juski:

and by 'hybrid' I mean tuner cards which do analogue & digital on the same card

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juski:

greed_: chances are you might not even need card=

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fysa:

don't know. but needing an amp is fairly common from what I've seen.

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greed_:

juski: The Pro defaults to card=0 so it's pretty much useless

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fysa:

I was having tuning problems for a year until I got an amp, anyway, and feel rather stupid for not getting it sooner.

[16:39:43]

greed_:

fysa: So I've got a normal digital box here, any idea of the uhf out would be amplify it enough ?

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fysa:

depends on where the channels sit. a 5–1GHz amp was fine for me.

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fysa:

5MHz – 1GHz

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gbee:

greed_: the Nova-T 500 has a built in amp, which is only enabled through a module parameter – it's possible the same is true for the PVR 500

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juski:

greed_: passthru outputs on boxes tend to be just that – unlike those of VCRs

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greed_:

gbee: Any idea of the module name ?

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juski:

greed_: even with a good signal I would only split an antenna/cable feed _once_ without an amplifier

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greed_:

juski: thanks i'll give that a whirl, I suppose there's no module param to switch of the internal card splitter ?

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juski:

greed_: for the pvr500, the module name is *ivtv*

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gbee:

greed_: it's not a module, but a parameter to the module you are using and no I have no idea what it might be for a PVR 500 or even if it has a LNA built in

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juski:

and the option is something like LNA=1

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** juski wonders if his body will withstand another night out **

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greed_:

ok thanks guys, ill give it a go

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greed_:

fysa: Can you do me a favour and dmesg | grep card= and tell me which 1 your using ? I'm getting fuzz garble.. at least it's better then nothing

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fysa:

which ivtv you using?

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fysa:

CORE cx88[0]: subsystem: 18ac:d500, board: DViCO FusionHDTV 5 Gold [card=31,autodetected]

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greed_:

fysa: I'm not using any ivtv on the dvico card ?!

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juski:

greed_: #linuxtv is a good place to ask for dvb card help ya know ;) they're very nice there

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greed_:

thanks

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fysa:

12:52 spacepants:~ > dmesg | grep dvb

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fysa:

cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.6 loaded

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fysa:

cx88[0]/2: cx2388x based dvb card

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AndyCap:

juski: well, unless they're debating impelemtation of xc3028 drivers. :P

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AndyCap:

but I saw the main devs had a reasoned discussion there recently, so perhaps some optimism is due.

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juski:

CJDBunny: you can only use zap2it in the USA you numpty!

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CJDBunny:

hehe

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juski:

CJDBunny: see the wiki about xmltv in the UK

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CJDBunny:

i didn't think i told it to use zap2it

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Uk_xmltv

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CJDBunny:

thanks

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juski:

CJDBunny: you need to tell mythtv-setup to use tv_grab_uk_rt

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juski:

zap2it is the default

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CJDBunny:

i'm so certain i did, i'm checking now

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juski:

remember when you change settings, you have to go all the way to FINISH in the menu for the changes to be stored

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CJDBunny:

my only video source is xmltv UK (alt.)

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juski:

anyway.. have fun with that I need to get ready

[17:05:45]

juski:

CJDBunny: wait a tic

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juski:

you need to paste some log from mythfilldatabase methinks

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juski:

a tip might be to make sure that the user mythtv runs as.. or mythfilldatbase runs as – has a .xmltv file in ~/.mythtv/

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CJDBunny:

cool, i'll give it a go thanks juski

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gbee:

UK (alt)? err, you want UK (Radiotimes)

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gbee:

alt was the tv_grab_uk_bleb script

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CJDBunny:

i don't have that option

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gbee:

what version of mythtv are you running?

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CJDBunny:

i'm using the december release that ships with ubuntu

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gbee:

hmm, well doesn't really matter – for now both will work

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juski:

wouldn't use the bleb script – it went down for months a while back

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gbee:

when you run mythtv-setup and select it as your source you should find that you need to Alt-Tab to the console you started mythtv-setup from, there you need to specify the channels you want to download data for

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AndyCap:

Do the uk grabbers have equally useless .xmltv configfiles? i.e. just channel 1, channel 2 #channel 3 ...?

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gbee:

oh nevermind, follow the guide in the wiki – it pretty much covers everything

[17:12:24]

gbee:

AndyCap: it contains the list of xmltvids for the channels we want – not exactly useless as xmltv can't function without it

[17:14:38]

AndyCap:

gbee: well. if it actually used the xmltv id's and not the ordninal number of the id's (which isn't accessible anywhere except by digging through the grabber perl code)

[17:16:03]

AndyCap:

gbee: --list-channels won't show it. and in the channel editor and database it's channel Id's that are referred.

[17:17:04]

AndyCap:

but I guess xmltv is too entrenched in well, everything to change it to use id's instead of numbers.

[17:17:36]

AndyCap:

then it would just need to be internally consistent in the grabber, and not with a config file written by some other tool.

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gbee:

AndyCap: a few grabbers use the IDs – including the radiotimes grabber

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AndyCap:

gbee: excellent. so they're not all useless then. :)

[17:20:10]

gbee:

but I know that not all do

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AndyCap:

I guess there's hope of hacking a patch for grabber and submitting it then I guess.

[17:21:02]

AndyCap:

It's broken as it is already, with some channels missing an Id

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gbee:

yeah it would be great if the xmltv devs would push towards using the IDs for all external bits, then myth could just feed the grabber the list of channels to grab directly from the database

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AndyCap:

uh-oh, I just pictured a unified config for xmltv.

[17:23:18]

AndyCap:

so it would list all the channel ID's it knows about, and figure out which grabbers to use on it's own..

[17:24:10]

AndyCap:

would need a source qualifier of some sort though.. and rewriting of a lot of apps. :(

[17:24:43]

AndyCap:

oh, well. I'll stick with trying to patch the grabber I use to use xmltv id's

[17:25:31]

AndyCap:

before I go all architecture astronaut, and run out of air.

[17:27:45]

AndyCap:

on a related note. moving my recorded programs to the new backend was as easy as pie. :)

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Fony_Vaio:

got a little nuisance with the new setup. My main fe seems to freeze video (usually screen goes black) during live tv at seemingly random intervals (usually every 30mins or so). If i exit live tv, and go back in, it's fine.

[17:29:39]

CJDBunny:

thanks guys, all works grand now

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CJDBunny:

only thing left to do is get lirc working with my serial ir receiver

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juski:

AndyCap: when I actually manage to find time to sit down & sort stuff out we're gonna have a nifty script in the UK for channel configurummying

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AndyCap:

juski: Heh, I'm not in the uk, but does sound interesting. related to the sky box channel list right?

[17:34:50]

AndyCap:

there's only two major cable providers here. but I think they have 5–10 different channel frequency lists depending on which smaller cable provider they bought out

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Fony_Vaio:

juski: sounds good re: script.

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Fony_Vaio:

will it add all the pretty icons on its own? :D

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gbee:

Fony_Vaio: already stuff to do that in trunk

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gbee:

contrib/master_iconmap/channel_icons.pl

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

not having much luck getting this mythweb secure login working properly. I've managed to get the login working okay, but cant stream any music or recordings

[17:44:01]

planktonboy:

if anyone has some ideas or an up to date guide for this I would appreciateit

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AndyCap:

planktonboy: does the streaming pass a file or an url to the player app? if it's an url. does the player know how to authenticate?

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planktonboy:

hi AndyCAp

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planktonboy:

AndyCap, I have tried several players, some are asking for authentication the others just error out

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planktonboy:

its obviously something to do with the way the new svn mythweb scripts handle streaming I guess

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AndyCap:

planktonboy: Just guessing here, but support for digest auth may be poor in players? since, well, you're probably the only person on earth using it. :P

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planktonboy:

Ive tried following several guides, but nothing has worked

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planktonboy:

AndyCap, Ive gone back to htpasswd

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planktonboy:

still not getting streaming

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planktonboy:

done a complete image backup and started again

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CJDBunny:

is it possible to have a multi region mythdvd setup?

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GreyFoxx:

mythdvd has no concept of regions

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planktonboy:

hi xris, do you have any ideas on why I cant get mythweb to stream music or recordings using htpasswd

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xris:

planktonboy: because most players don't support it

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

ok...

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planktonboy:

any player that do?

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xris:

not sure

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xris:

that's why the stuff in svn has specific "allow" flags for the streaming URLs

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planktonboy:

yeah..I seen that settings page for streaming

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xris:

no, it's in the mythweb.conf file

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xris:

the one in mythweb settings is for http

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xris:

er, http/https

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planktonboy:

ah you mean locationmatch

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juski:

gawd I seriously need some canine hair right now!

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CJDBunny:

i guess i'm looking for a dvd driver that supports multi region rather than having just 4 permitted changes

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planktonboy:

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GreyFoxx:

CJDBunny: That's the hardware, not the driver

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planktonboy:

and

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planktonboy:

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juski:

CJDBunny: not so much hardware/driver – more like *firmware* !

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CJDBunny:

can you recommend a device?

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juski:

regionfree.org or whatever – $searchengine is your friend!

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planktonboy:

if you mean that I need to enable them, I tried that but apache failed on restarting

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juski:

CJDBunny: you have to upload a hacked firmware to the DVD drive

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CJDBunny:

:)

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juski:

how to reflash the firmware in a dvd drive is beyond the scope of this channel

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AndyCap:

juski: uh, how is this different from cams?

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planktonboy:

Syntax error on line 37 of /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf:

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planktonboy:

<LocationMatch not allowed here

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juski:

AndyCap: it's not circumventing copy protection

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GreyFoxx:

And he is not instructing him in how to do it/use it

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xris:

planktonboy: are you using virtual hosts?

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planktonboy:

xris, I dont think so

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planktonboy:

do I need to be

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juski:

AndyCap: so before you get all moral crusader on me.. :-P I'm not that much of a hypocrite ;)

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AndyCap:

juski: more what's good for the goose is good for the gander than any moral issues on my part.

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planktonboy:

I set this up successfully on the old machine, but cant remember how I did it, and it all looks slightly diffferent now :)

[18:00:26]

xris:

planktonboy: don't need to, but it might affect where you can put those lines

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

I'll look into it again

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juski:

anyway I don't own any region 1 DVDs

[18:00:55]

planktonboy:

thanks

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juski:

and it doesn't look an awful lot like I'll be buying HD-DVD or BD either :)

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** juski is 1.0 **

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AndyCap:

Hehe, well. I guess I'll come to some point where buying a machine without some AACS drive is harder than keeping it

[18:03:10]

juski:

I think the point will soon be upon the movie studios where they'll realise that no matter what they do, somebody somewhere will be trying to undo all their good work – so maybe (just maybe) they'll wise up & be the good guy

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juski:

btw I say 'good work' advisedly ;)

[18:03:34]

AndyCap:

heh, seems EMI is halfway there already.

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juski:

they've put info about the purchaser in the files somehow (maybe id3 tags?) – which might deter file sharing a bit. I'd be all for that kind of move

[18:04:39]

AndyCap:

I'd be happier when hollywood understands that 1 smartcard = 1 viewer instead of the stupid country restrictions we have now. :)

[18:04:46]

juski:

I don't care if all my content says 'juski' inside it

[18:05:24]

AndyCap:

well, I do care. the files will leak, and suddenly you get a letter mentioning minimum statutory damages.

[18:05:36]

juski:

this could even be a _good_ use for trusted computing! deter pirates by indelibly watermarking files with unique IDs

[18:05:52]

juski:

then we could have all the fair use we like in our own homes

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GreyFoxx:

until someone breaks in and steals your pc

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AndyCap:

to the tune of us $250.000 pr file..

[18:06:09]

GreyFoxx:

puts your mp3's on is ipod

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juski:

yeah you'd have to work out the finer points

[18:06:26]

GreyFoxx:

sells the ipod to a friend

[18:06:27]

AndyCap:

and tcpa doesn't really enable watermarking

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GreyFoxx:

etc etc

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juski:

they could just go back to trusting everybody </naieve>

[18:07:03]

AndyCap:

In the meantime I trust emusic and emusic trusts me. :)

[18:08:52]

GreyFoxx:

This xbmc port to linux could he interesting onc they are done

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juski:

GreyFoxx: I agree. if they don't get overloaded & give up

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juski:

way I see it is that it's the only way for them to continue the good fight. xbox1 is dead

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GreyFoxx:

I've been following their IRC channel and svn commits list and they are definately quite active

[18:09:56]

AndyCap:

what does it have that mythfronted doesn't?

[18:10:08]

juski:

AndyCap: spiffyness & allround goodness

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gardengnome:

python bindings? :)

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gardengnome:

:>

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gardengnome:

AndyCap: there's xmbcmyth

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JoeyJoeJo:

when I stick both a wintv-500 and 350 in the same backend using gentoo, on boot at the udev step I get a kernel panic

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JoeyJoeJo:

is this common?

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xris:

JoeyJoeJo: I recall hearing problems about running both in the same machine

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JoeyJoeJo:

that sucks

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xris:

not saying that they won't work... just that I've heard about problems

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xris:

which means you might get something by googling

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xris:

(look for info about the 150, too, since it's the same chipsets as in the 500s)

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planktonboy:

oh well..cant take any more of this today :)

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planktonboy:

xris thanks for the help mate...I'll try to figure this out later on...

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

but for now, time to get ready before going out for some BEER

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

later all

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plankgone:

msg NickServ IDENTIFY <Be3RGuT>

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AndyCap:

plankgone: time to switch passwords?

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plankgone:

AndyCap. hehe

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plankgone:

yeah I guess

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plankgone:

LOL

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gardengnome:

beergut? :)

[18:29:34]

plankgone:

too damn tired and that what one gets

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plankgone:

gardengnome, well I figured I saw it every time i looked down so its easy to remember

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AndyCap:

plankgone: no. no. it should be BierGut!

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plankgone:

AndyCap, haha

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plankgone:

yeah

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AndyCap:

on that note. I'm off to get some Bier.

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plankgone:

or LeffeGut

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plankgone:

yup...cheers guys

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nasa:

Howdy, I am trying to repair what seems like a corrupted database. Via google, I found (and used) the following command: mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg --verbose

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nasa:

however, it hangs right after mythconverg.cardinput (which does state, ok).

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nasa:

Any other way to fix this?

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SiD3WiNDR:

I'd say.. wait? :)

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kash:

rofl, i love google

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SiD3WiNDR:

:)

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SiD3WiNDR:

there are a few different angles for that one ;)

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kash:

ahh

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kash:

=D

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kash:

how do they do that

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SiD3WiNDR:

with a car? :P

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kash:

really?

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gardengnome:

digicam pixies

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gardengnome:

yes

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kash:

hm.

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kash:

do they have some sort of 360 degree camera

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SiD3WiNDR:

van with 360° camera thingy on the roof

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kash:

ah. cool.

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SiD3WiNDR:

in one of the streetviews you can see the van mirrored in a window

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SiD3WiNDR:

linkywinky

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SiD3WiNDR:

one of those ;)

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kash:

nice

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kash:

so they just drove around?

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juski:

no they just took one photo & used one of those conscootery thingies

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juski:

like in the matrix

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AngryElf_:

I've got two serial ports on my box — when I configure lirc is the IRQ option the one that picks which port it will be using?

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juski:

adress & irq myers

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AngryElf_:

and since they aren't labeled there's no good way of figuring out which is which without troubleshooting?

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SiD3WiNDR:

if you've got standard atx the one closest to the ps/2 is com1/ttyS0

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SiD3WiNDR:

if you've got one on the i/o shield and one on a backplate the i/o shield one is ttyS0

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AngryElf_:

ok, and for an IR blaster with a homebrew all I need is --with-transmitter?

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JoeyJoeJo:

when I try to import a cd, the progress bar only shows 0% and then the cd ejects and it kicks me back to the menu. dmesg says this: http://paste.uni.cc/16045

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cesman:

is your CD primary master?

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Fony_Vaio:

anyone know if there's a foolproof way of slowing the read speed of an optical drive in linux?

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gardengnome:

Fony_Vaio: man eject

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gardengnome:

it's probably reset after changing the disc, though

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Fony_Vaio:

gardengnome: thanks, was trying setcd.. neither seem to do anything useful, though

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Fony_Vaio:

or more likely i'm getting the command wrong

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AngryElf_:

my ir blaster doesn't seem to be emitting anything — where do I begin troubleshooting?

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gardengnome:

AngryElf_: grab a digital camera. those sensors can 'see' infrared light

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AngryElf_:

yea, i tried that...nothing

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AngryElf_:

two instances :(

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SiD3WiNDR:

hdparm can set the speed, can't it?

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SiD3WiNDR:

hmm, eject's setting is cleared per eject indeed

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SiD3WiNDR:

I wonder if it's the same for hdparm

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AngryElf_:

maybe my blaster is broken?

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AngryElf_:

it used to work before it sat in a drawer for a few months :-/

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AngryElf_:

/join #mplayer

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Keithamus:

has anyone here attempted to setup mythtv with asterisk?

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gardengnome:

what does mythtv have to do with asterisk?

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Keithamus:

nothing, just I want to setup a box with both, and wondered if anyone had tried it

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SiD3WiNDR:

should not be a problem

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SiD3WiNDR:

what makes you think there should be? ;)

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SiD3WiNDR:

I have a mythbackend and asterisk on the same machiine, yes

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Keithamus:

i've read some problems

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Keithamus:

i am looking for a full all-in-one solution; backend frontend and asterisk box.

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hugolp:

linuxmce

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hugolp:

XD

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Keithamus:

:D

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Keithamus:

thats pluto isnt it?

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hugolp:

yes, its a fork for ubuntu

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Keithamus:

I looked at pluto and it looks kinda cack tbh

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hugolp:

I get this mistake randomly when I change channel and it crashes my back end:

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hugolp:

[mpegts @ 0xb72b2ec0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94212 !

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hugolp:

*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0xad22a46f ***

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hugolp:

I can paste the whole thing if needed

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hugolp:

I dont know whats going on but it is fucking anoying

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hugolp:

Keithamus: cack tbh?!?!? thats good or bad?

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Keithamus:

i think it looks bad

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gardengnome:

report it

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gardengnome:

and get a backtrace

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Keithamus:

i'd rather use mythtv

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Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: memtest your backend?

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hugolp:

memtest?

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hugolp:

you thing my memory is wrong? phisically?

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Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: http://www.memtest.org/

[21:04:01]

Fony_Vaio:

not necessarily, but worth excluding, no?

[21:04:55]

Fony_Vaio:

you can burn the iso and it's useful to diagnosing machines with odd memory related problems, or if i upgrade memory in any machine i'll do one full pass of memtest before i boot the os.

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hugolp:

theres the memtest in the ubuntu cd

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hugolp:

Ill do tomorrow when I live home

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hugolp:

leave

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Fony_Vaio:

that'll be fine

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hiredgoon:

http://g-ding.tv/ looks promising

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Fony_Vaio:

i've seen quite a lot of mythdora recently, is it any good?

[21:26:46]

dr_willis:

I dident have much luck with it.

[21:27:08]

Fony_Vaio:

i remember trying knoppmyth a while ago and not having much joy, either

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dr_willis:

somthing odd was going on with it and the nvidia drivers sadly on my machine. havent tried it on any other box's

[21:27:23]

dr_willis:

the Older Knoppix worked great for me.. the newer ones.. not so great

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dr_willis:

Using Ubuntu Feisty + mythtv for now.

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Fony_Vaio:

ditto

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Fony_Vaio:

although i use debian x64 on the backend

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Fony_Vaio:

with the debs from debian-multimedia.org

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dr_willis:

i was suprised i got UbuntuMythtv's working so easially. :) dident dare try anything else.

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dr_willis:

Heh

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Fony_Vaio:

lol, i know what you mean, it is a real doddle, ain't it

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Fony_Vaio:

did you use the mythfrontend-ubuntu package?

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dr_willis:

which i then convert over to portable format for my GP2x

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Fony_Vaio:

so that it does a auto-login for mythtv user?

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dr_willis:

Fony_Vaio, yea i thinki did.. i forget what all i did.. followed a wiki and egads it worked!

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Fony_Vaio:

heh

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dr_willis:

I dont have autologin set up. but if i select mythtv as the user. it autostarts up the front end.

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Fony_Vaio:

i like the idea of myth running without gnome in the background, but it's causing a couple of weird problems for me, too

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dr_willis:

I can login as my normal user. and have a desktop on the Moniutor. Then i start mythfrontend. and it shows up on the tv. (shared twinview desktop)

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dr_willis:

Using Kubuntu mainly here.

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Fony_Vaio:

aha

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dr_willis:

well time to hit the Pool!!!

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dr_willis:

after spending all spring cleaning it and stuff! i finially get to use it!

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Tanthrix:

Why is there a storage group in the db for one of my front end machines that points to /mnt/store/? Is that some kind of automatic function?

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gardengnome:

yes.

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gardengnome:

do you only have that for one of your machines?

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Tanthrix:

Right now I have three in the db: /mnt/store for the front end that was generated automatically, /mythstore/recordings, and /mythstore

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gardengnome:

nice

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gardengnome:

does /mnt/store show up in mythtv-setup?

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Tanthrix:

The last one I made by accident when I reinstalled my backend and didn't call the computer the same hostname

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Tanthrix:

Well, it was the same host name, just not the domain name

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Tanthrix:

So I reset everything up, but I forgot that I had it set to /mythstore/recordings and not /mythstore – I plan to fix this shortly

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Tanthrix:

In the storage group I only see one, /mythstore

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Tanthrix:

Listed under default

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Tanthrix:

I get the feeling that you can only see the storage groups attached to whatever hostname you are viewing fron

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Fony_Vaio:

hrm, fe is acting weird. sound pauses and video slows, then goes back to normal. sometimes screen blanks and can only be restored by exiting live tv and re-initialising.

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hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: I get that too sometimes

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hugolp:

I though it was because my memory thing

[22:01:22]

hugolp:

but I guess its not

[22:04:08]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: hrm, interesting... lemme check my backend logs.

[22:04:32]

Fony_Vaio:

i'll fire up the fe on the craptop, too, see if it does the same there.

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Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: seems fine on the craptop (and that's over wlan)..

[22:13:08]

hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: I dont know I get that randomly

[22:15:12]

Fony_Vaio:

i'm wondering if it's sound or video related on the fe.

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Fony_Vaio:

are you using nvidia?

[22:18:14]

hugolp:

yes

[22:18:25]

hugolp:

7100 GS

[22:18:54]

Fony_Vaio:

me too, 7600GS

[22:18:59]

hugolp:

actually not

[22:19:06]

hugolp:

the 7100 GS is in the other

[22:19:14]

hugolp:

this one got a 6XXX

[22:19:21]

Fony_Vaio:

hrm

[22:19:23]

hugolp:

nvidia too

[22:19:28]

Fony_Vaio:

still, nvidia binary module

[22:19:53]

hugolp:

yep and its a version 6 but with mpeg2 acceleration

[22:20:06]

hugolp:

though I heard the nvidia drivers dont use it much

[22:20:09]

hugolp:

dont really know

[22:21:15]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: i thought the mpeg2 acceleration was only leveraged by the purevideo codec under win32?

[22:21:50]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: when i fiddled with the audio settings it seemed to help, something to do with audio buffer maybe?

[22:22:07]

Fony_Vaio:

what audio hardware do you have?

[22:22:38]

hugolp:

its an Asus barebone and I am using the motherboard audio

[22:23:40]

hugolp:

havent check more

[22:24:22]

Tanthrix:

MPEG2 acceleration is accomplished via XvMC under linux, which nvidia supports on everything from the GF2

[22:24:34]

Tanthrix:

Different from purevideo, which is not supported in any way.

[22:24:55]

hugolp:

what is purevideo?

[22:25:06]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: hrm, i'm using audigy 2 zs, so maybe keep looking at the video side for now.

[22:25:30]

Tanthrix:

And it's not automatic – you specifically have to specify using the XvMC decoder in mplayer / myth / xine / whatever

[22:25:35]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: it's a hw accelerated mpeg2 decoder for win32, by nvidia for 6, 7, and 8 series nvidia cards.

[22:25:44]

Tanthrix:

x264 as well

[22:25:46]

hugolp:

ok

[22:26:04]

Fony_Vaio:

yah, purevideo HD does new yummy things

[22:26:21]

Tanthrix:

Gparted is one nice app.

[22:27:10]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: are you using xvmc?

[22:27:17]

hugolp:

that purevideo is not suported under linux is a nvidia driver problem or something else?

[22:28:04]

hugolp:

libmpeg2

[22:28:08]

hugolp:

Fony_Vaio:

[22:28:10]

tuxmac1:

ah, and i have returned after clearing up the ATI drivers problem only to realize that a blue screen means the overlay is actually being drawn...

[22:28:48]

hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: actually I am going to change that to see if it does any good

[22:28:49]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: no, purevideo is just a win32 app which takes advantage of some nvidia hardware. apparently according to Tanthrix xvmc takes advantage of hw acceleration with the nvidia module.

[22:29:16]

Tanthrix:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC for more info and all that

[22:29:20]

tuxmac1:

anyone in here ever solve their tuner not having input even when its plugged in?

[22:30:10]

hugolp:

so in resume and without getting technical the nvidia linux driver can take all the juice out of the nvidia hardware?

[22:31:45]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: some of the processing requirement for mpeg2 decoding will be shouldered by the gpu, basically.

[22:32:46]

Fony_Vaio:

changing chans is hella slow, too..

[22:33:07]

Dagmar:

It takes time for encoder buckets to fill

[22:33:39]

hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: changing to XvMC has improved things a lot

[22:33:50]

hugolp:

its actually working fine now

[22:34:12]

hugolp:

maybe its just luck and it will happen again, will see

[22:34:37]

hugolp:

but I have done a lot of channel changing that was when I was getting the problem and fine

[22:39:26]

Fony_Vaio:

interesting

[22:39:32]

Fony_Vaio:

mine is also looking ok now

[22:40:16]

hugolp:

what have you done?

[22:40:18]

Tanthrix:

XFS does delete noticable faster, cool.

[22:41:00]

Fony_Vaio:

Tanthrix: yes, I've noticed that, too.

[22:41:23]

Fony_Vaio:

switched the /home part on backend to XFS, works well.

[22:41:37]

hugolp:

thats another one

[22:41:52]

hugolp:

I have all with ext3 but wanted to know if there are better options

[22:42:16]

Tanthrix:

I just switched my recordings directory to it, since I just suddenly realized that I had no reason not to

[22:42:45]

Tanthrix:

Not sure about my main partitions since I might want to back them up with norton ghost, but I'd never bother with that on my storage drive

[22:44:43]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: changed to standard decoder, seems ok now.

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asd:

i need help

[22:47:25]

Tanthrix:

Is there a way to force all livetv recordings and other such things to expire? I'd like to clean up my folder, and get rid of any files that are no longer referenced in the database

[22:47:31]

hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: I have stoped testing but its working fine

[22:47:36]

Tanthrix:

(With the exception of actual recordings)

[22:47:40]

Fony_Vaio:

although, i think i have problems with signal quality, i'm running three cards through cheap splitters, a long (10m) length of cheap coax to one old socket on a rf distribution system serving all the apartments in this block, from an old antenna that predates dvb on the roof.

[22:47:55]

asd:

nn /etc/modules doesn't seem to be working

[22:48:12]

hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: amplifiers are cheap

[22:48:13]

Fony_Vaio:

Tanthrix: i thought live tv recordings auto expired?

[22:48:27]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: wouldn't that just increase noise?

[22:48:40]

hugolp:

depens where you put the amplifier

[22:49:06]

asd:

my remote was working before in the old version of knoppmythtv

[22:49:09]

hugolp:

if you put the amplifier just after the antena it will (almost sure) decrease the noise

[22:49:16]

Tanthrix:

Fony_Vaio: They do, but not immediately sometimes

[22:49:40]

hugolp:

because you increase the signal and then the next noise youll get through the cable will do almos no harm

[22:49:47]

Tanthrix:

And also, anyone know why I'm getting numerically numbered recordings in a recent SVN? I thought that was change to put titles and such into the file names

[22:49:53]

hugolp:

and also youll have a lot more signal to split

[22:50:00]

hugolp:

so less noise as well

[22:50:01]

asd:

modprobe bttv card=70 doesn't work anymore

[22:51:18]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: i was actually looking at lengths of CT100 cable, using all F connectors and stuff. shouldn't cost much, but should reduce noise, all that along with decent amp should resolve all these problems.

[22:51:48]

asd:

bttv0: using: *** UNKNOWN/GENERIC *** [card=0,autodetected]

[22:52:07]

asd:

dmesg seems like modules commands are failing

[22:52:26]

hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: what about other options to ext3? what can you tell me?

[22:53:21]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: just xfs and jfs seem good for dealing with big files from what i'm aware.

[22:53:40]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: apparently reiserfs can be good for dealing with lots of small files.

[22:54:05]

hugolp:

mmm

[22:54:39]

hugolp:

so if I have a hard drive that is only for mythtv recording files, videos, music and torrent it would be xfs right?

[22:55:00]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: might be, worth looking into at least.

[22:55:18]

hugolp:

is there a big improvement compared to ext3 (what I have now)?

[22:55:21]

asd:

root@mythtv:/home/tim# rmmod bttv card=70

[22:55:21]

asd:

ERROR: Module bttv is in use by dvb_bt8xx,bt878

[22:55:33]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: although personally i'd probably just make the partition where recordings are placed xfs.

[22:55:52]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: mainly fs operations like deletion seem to be quicker

[22:56:57]

asd:

i don't understand this thing work with previous version od knoppmyth

[22:57:30]

hugolp:

ok, last question, I guess Ill have to delete the info to use another filesystem right?

[22:57:59]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: not necesarily. you could migrate it

[22:58:10]

hugolp:

oh so thats posible

[22:58:13]

hugolp:

is it safe?

[23:02:31]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: http://www.linkstationwiki.net/index.php?titl . . . rsion_to_XFS

[23:04:04]

Fony_Vaio:

not sure how safe / unsafe it is

[23:04:24]

Fony_Vaio:

would recommend fulll backup as standard, or at least anything you really wanna keep out of your recordings

[23:05:08]

hugolp:

ok so it was too nice too be true

[23:05:16]

hugolp:

the backend just hung up

[23:05:25]

hugolp:

crashed myth back end

[23:05:28]

hugolp:

I mean

[23:05:35]

hugolp:

same error as before

[23:05:43]

hugolp:

memory alloc somehting

[23:06:08]

asd:

dam this remote

[23:06:09]

hugolp:

at least I dont get the glitches and playing is not slowing down :P

[23:06:18]

hugolp:

thanks for the link Fony_Vaio

[23:06:27]

asd:

installed a new knoppmythv for the worse

[23:07:14]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, maybe I was using mythrename.pl and forgot about it. Can anyone else confirm that recent versions of myth use numerical, non-human readable file names?

[23:07:34]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: yes

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gardengnome:

Tanthrix: that'

[23:07:39]

Tanthrix:

(Not just recent, but that's what I'm speaking about specifically)

[23:07:44]

gardengnome:

s been the case ever since

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Tanthrix:

Forever, right?

[23:08:25]

Tanthrix:

I think I setup a mythrename.pl on a cron job, then forgot about it. Just setup my new system and I was wondering why I was getting non-human readable names ;)

[23:08:58]

Tanthrix:

Though, if I understand correctly now, it's not generally wise to do that is it? Better to make a "pretty" directory and just put symlinks in there

[23:09:53]

gardengnome:

why?

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Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: weird, i think i had a similar problem with my old backend (p4 prescott 3.2ghz 1gb ddr400 (memtest ok), seem to remember the backend crashing a few times with similar errors.

[23:10:11]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: what's the hardware in your backend?

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hugolp:

amd 2x 4200 2 gig ram nvidia 7100GS Gigabyte motherboard

[23:11:07]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: Was looking on the mailing list, someone said that it can be risky to change the file names, even though the script changes them in the db. Is that just unwarranted paranoia?

[23:11:07]

hugolp:

AverMedia Volar Usb dvb-t

[23:11:19]

hugolp:

two seagates hd

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gardengnome:

Tanthrix: you might run into trouble with special character, but that's rare. mythtranscode doesn't work too well with modified file names if it's run manually, but that doesn't happen too often usually

[23:12:49]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: Ahh, I see.

[23:13:01]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: are you using a x64 dist or a 32bit kernel with smp?

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hugolp:

32

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Fony_Vaio:

smp?

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hugolp:

what smp?

[23:13:39]

hugolp:

I just got the 32 bit cd and installed

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Fony_Vaio:

symetric multiprocessing

[23:14:17]

Fony_Vaio:

i remember that option giving me some problems with various modules in the past.

[23:14:32]

Fony_Vaio:

bit of a longshot maybe

[23:14:35]

hugolp:

how can I know if it is installed or not?

[23:14:40]

Fony_Vaio:

uname -a

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Fony_Vaio:

fonyvaio@dellboy:~$ uname -a

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Fony_Vaio:

Linux dellboy 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Wed May 23 01:46:23 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux

[23:15:43]

hugolp:

yes it sais that

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Fony_Vaio:

hrm

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hugolp:

says the smp

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hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: at first I though symetic multiprocessin would have to do with dual core cpu's but my athlon its got smp too so I guees I was wrong

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Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: yes, it allows programs to take advantage of multiple cpu / cores.

[23:19:28]

hugolp:

then why does my one core ahtlon has it?

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Fony_Vaio:

i thought you said you had a x2 4200?

[23:19:57]

hugolp:

yes, the back end is

[23:20:19]

Fony_Vaio:

x2 denotes dual core on the amd64 range

[23:20:20]

hugolp:

but I have check another computer that has a one core athlon and has also the smp

[23:21:23]

Honk:

<hugolp> then why does my one core ahtlon has it? <-- cuz it's enabled in the kernel

[23:21:29]

Honk:

that's all the line says

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Fony_Vaio:

yes, you can run a smp kernel on a single core / single proccessor system, just won't be used afaik.

[23:21:43]

Honk:

Fony_Vaio: correct :P

[23:22:35]

Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: it's a kernel config option, basically. When you compile your own kernel there is a .config file that you can specify lots of options such as smp, which modules to compile, whether said modules should be compiled into the kernel image or not, etc.

[23:23:24]

Fony_Vaio:

most dists come with kernels configured with fairly broad options to make them compatible with as much hardware as possible.

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hugolp:

I see

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dunder:

guys....i'm trying to setup a new frontend on my home system and i keep getting this error: "Could not connect to the master backend — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?". . . but it had a few of the settings i configured on the other frontend, but not all of 'em =-/

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dunder:

very weird

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dunder:

ooohhhh...and i can see the program guide and program finder....but can't view video

[23:39:10]

dunder:

even weirder

[23:39:23]

dunder:

i guess this computer must be too old

[23:39:49]

Fony_Vaio:

dunder: the other fe works fine?

[23:40:03]

dunder:

it should...it's down, hold please

[23:40:20]

hads:

I think the program guide comes direct from the database so that may well work without a connection to the backend.

[23:40:29]

Fony_Vaio:

true

[23:41:07]

hugolp:

dunder: have you shared the folder with the recordings?

[23:41:31]

hads:

The frontend will stream the recordings

[23:41:32]

hugolp:

I dont know much about mythtv but it sounds like you can see the database but not the files

[23:41:53]

Tanthrix:

Anyone have any idea what would make checking the "System Status" so slow?

[23:42:13]

hugolp:

hads are you sure about that?

[23:42:17]

hads:

Tanthrix: Not sure, but I've noticed it.

[23:42:24]

hugolp:

I think you have to share the folders

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hads:

hugolp: Yes, I'm sure.

[23:42:42]

hugolp:

tha

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hugolp:

hads what version?

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hugolp:

cause I remember that when I set the system I had to set the recordings directory and had to share it with nfs

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Fony_Vaio:

system status is instant on both my fe's

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hads:

hugolp: No idea when it started doing that (I'm relatively new to myth, starting just before 0.20 was released).

[23:44:15]

hugolp:

I am runing .20 as well

[23:44:22]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, it might be from phantom tuners.

[23:44:22]

hugolp:

hads so how do you make mythtv stream?

[23:44:38]

hads:

But I know for sure that at least 0.20 onwards will stream the recordings automatically if they aren't on the local filesystem.

[23:45:20]

hugolp:

hads it doesnt happen in my .20 mythtv

[23:45:30]

Tanthrix:

I have two tuners that I had setup with my previous backend box, and my new backend (using the same db) is of a different host name – the tuners don't show up in mythtv-setup, but they are listed under status as "unavailable" well as in the db – would it be ok to remove them from cardinput table manually?

[23:46:19]

Fony_Vaio:

phew... it's like 5secs to change chans, need to try to speed it up

[23:46:32]

hads:

hugolp: Well I dunno, it did for me when I was on 0.20

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hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: 3 seconds here

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hugolp:

having a good signal helps

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Fony_Vaio:

hugolp: true

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hugolp:

when I have a channel with bad signal it takes more time

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hads:

That would depend on the type of tuner :)

[23:48:26]

hugolp:

of course

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asd:

yes i think i got it working all hail jesus

[23:54:49]

asd:

hail lord jesus

[23:55:36]

gardengnome:

hail odin, too

[23:56:25]

dunder:

ok...so, it seems that every time my backend shuts down unexpectedly (power outage), it needs to be fscked

[23:57:16]

asd:

licrc file isn't working

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hugolp:

Fony_Vaio: thats good

[23:57:50]

hugolp:

I have channels running fine with 32%

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dunder:

i just don't understand why all of a sudden a partition won't mount after an outage unless it's been fscked...

[23:58:44]

dunder:

must either be jfs or lvm...

[23:58:55]

dunder:

all my other ext3 partitions mounted fine

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