Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, May 30th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

[00:00:04]

hatter:

zoneminder looks good

[00:00:17]

mchou:

this is myth 0.20-fixes

[00:00:41]

sphery:

xris: That's the part that scares me. Then a cracker only need break filesystem security.

[00:01:02]

sphery:

(of course, I mean once he/she gets in...)

[00:01:11]

hatter:

tv-out on my nvidia card is quite a bit less quality than normal tv, do you know of a video card with good tv-out ?

[00:01:36]

mchou:

hatter: they all pretty much suck

[00:01:47]

hatter:

mchou, ah. i though that may be the case

[00:02:01]

mchou:

hatter: although ATI has a lightly better PQ than nvidia

[00:02:15]

mchou:

best just use DVI :)

[00:02:28]

mchou:

no quality issues there :)

[00:02:31]

hatter:

yeah, the projector has dvi, but not the tv

[00:02:59]

mchou:

seriously, forget about svideo

[00:03:13]

mchou:

just a big disappointment all around

[00:04:45]

hatter:

ok

[00:04:50]

mchou:

you want svideo go wuth a tivo :)

[00:04:54]

mchou:

with*

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xris:

sphery: if someone gets that far, there are a lot worse things to muck with than cron

[00:05:14]

mchou:

way better PQ than any PC tv out card

[00:05:31]

hatter:

i dont think i can get tivo in Australia

[00:05:53]

Leebier:

actually, tivo just annouced today they are expanding to oz

[00:06:08]

Leebier:

saw that on my betanews feed this afternoon

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mchou:

anyway, you assies are using DVB for everything, no?

[00:06:17]

mchou:

aussies*

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hatter:

yes

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hatter:

but foxtel is satellite

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hatter:

or cable

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mchou:

DVB is already mpeg2 stream

[00:06:48]

mchou:

so going svideo is a bit silly anyways :)

[00:09:40]

mchou:

I don't understand SCOTUS

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mchou:

lame decision

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warlord:

which decision, mchou ?

[00:12:15]

mchou:

pay discrimination handed down today

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mchou:

listening to the radio coverage on it right now

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mchou:

some lady working at firestone tires for 19 yrs got $6K less per year than the lowest paid man doing the same job at the plant

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warlord:

Hmm, not on cnn.com

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mchou:

SCOTUS basically said, "tough luck, it's too late to sue, you have 6 months"

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mchou:

lol

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Leebier:

alright, i'm out, but thanks xris and sphery!

[00:18:02]

warlord:

thanks

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mIRCat:

It wouldn't take her six months to figure out she's pregnan though!

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mIRCat:

eer pregnant*

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mchou:

mIRCat: haha, that'd take 2 months max :)

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kormoc:

mIRCat, warlord, the reason she wasn't given it was she knew about the issue for a long time and only decided now, see http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? . . . 5290391/1396

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mIRCat:

Ah, well if you're happy making what you make and don't complain... kinda late now

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mchou:

mIRCat: well, that's pretty much what SCOTUS said

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mchou:

but this is a 5–4 decision.

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mchou:

which really meant it could heave easily gone the other way

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mchou:

have*

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mchou:

Damn, pretty scary shit going on, man quarantied for TB

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xris:

mchou: similar thing happened to a friend in the 80's... fbi took away $2.6M, it took him 2 years to get acquitted, and by the time it was over, statute of limitations had passed on him suing to get his money back.

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mchou:

quarantined*

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hatter:

have any of you tried converting the dvi output to rca ?

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kdub:

wouldnt it be a lot more fun to just get a new tv

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hatter:

no

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kdub:

ok then

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hatter:

i have a projector, no need for a new tv

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hatter:

but the tv is for general stuff

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kdub:

blurry projector

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hatter:

i am wondering if going from the dvi output to a converter would fix the tv-out quality problem

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kdub:

how are you doing it now

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hatter:

well, i havent tried myth to the projector yet via dvi

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hatter:

now it is using the tv-out from the video card in to the tv

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hatter:

and has colour loss

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Tanthrix:

DVI/HDMI is the highest quality output you can usually get (with the exception of some tvs that look better with component) and RCA is literally the lowest

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Tanthrix:

So, you wouldn't want to convert down unless you absolutely have to.

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hatter:

yes, the tv-out from the nvidia card is quite a bit less quality than going direct to the tv

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Tanthrix:

hatter: What do you mean direct to the TV? Direct via what?

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hatter:

from the foxtel box to the tv

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kdub:

it is probably outputting in PC colorspace rather than video

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hatter:

when bypassed through the mythtv box and out the nvidia tv-out the picture quality is reduced

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kormoc:

hatter, what quality are you recording to start with?

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Tanthrix:

hatter: Is your cable box outputting over firewire or something else?

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hatter:

kormoc, havent recorded yet, just put the mythtv box in the middle

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hatter:

no the cable box is foxtel digital, but it has scart out to rca

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hatter:

in Australia

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kormoc:

hatter, so what are you seeing on the tv then if it's not going via myth?

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Tanthrix:

hatter: So you're connecting the cable box to the computer via a tuner card?

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hatter:

kormoc, what i am saying is, without myth the tv quality is much better

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hatter:

Tanthrix, yes

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Tanthrix:

hatter: Because you will always get worse quality with that, as opposed straight to the TV, since you have to first convert the analog output to digital

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Tanthrix:

TV-out might further make it worse of course

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hatter:

Tanthrix, yes. but this is the whole point of myth isn't it ? to make a pvr to stick in the middle of the signal ?

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Tanthrix:

Only way to get equivelant quality to the cable box is to get a firewire connection to it, playback the original mpeg TS, then output over TV-out that is setup right or something higher should it be needed

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kormoc:

hatter, but myth tv *always* records, so what quality are you telling it to record at?

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hatter:

kormoc, i have not adjusted the quality, so whatever it is out of the box from knppmyth

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kormoc:

hatter, by default myth records at a lowish quality. you should bump it up if you really care about quality

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Tanthrix:

hatter: So to bottom line it: The sad fact of the matter is that if you have digital cable, and don't have firewire output, you are going to get reduced quality with using myth. Not terribly worse, but noticable.

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Tanthrix:

But kormoc is right, make sure other factors aren't at play either, such as recording at too low resolutions / bitrate.

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hatter:

Tanthrix, ok, that is what is happening, its not terrible, but noticeably less quality

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hatter:

outputted on the tv anywas

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hatter:

'anyways'

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hatter:

i have not check it with the dvi out thus far

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** kormoc still thinks upping the bitrate would help out **

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Tanthrix:

You might want to just to be sure, since TV-out can further reduce the qualiity

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hatter:

so as you say, it needs to get converted from analog to digital coming in from the analogue capture card

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hatter:

kormoc, i will check the bitrate now

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Tanthrix:

I know one thing though: my digital firewire link up looks about 15 percent better than my PVR-150 recording at 4–6mbps at 720x580

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Tanthrix:

Sometimes even more depending on the channel

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Tanthrix:

I've also compared the PVR-150 getting output from the digital box instead of analog, and it was roughly the same as straight analog, so the PVR card just has an upper limit for the quality it is capable of

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Tanthrix:

hatter: Does your cable box have firewire output?

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hatter:

i dont think so, i will have a look

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hatter:

no

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hatter:

only the scart outputs that have rca on the end of them

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Tanthrix:

Well, then you either have to live with the reduced quality (whatever that may be after setting your bitrate / resolution nice and high, and outputting over DVI at the native resolution of your projector) or not use Myth

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hatter:

probably a good reason for foxtel not the have firewire out, they are selling there own box similar to myth

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Tanthrix:

I'd say set your resolution to the highest it will go, then a bitrate of 6mbps and see if that looks any better. If it doesn't, bump it back down to whatever it was before.

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Tanthrix:

But even before that, try DVI at the native resolution.

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hatter:

when i am speaking of DVI i mean HDMI, is that what you are speaking of ?

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hatter:

my current nvidia card doesnt have HDMI out

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hatter:

i have a card here with HDMI out but it wont plug into this mobo, older agp

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Tanthrix:

hatter: HDMI is just DVI with audio, so you can use a converter cable

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hatter:

where is the video resolution setting ? somewhere in the menus or in a config file ?

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hatter:

the menus look great on the tv,

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Tanthrix:

Recording Profiles, somewhere under recordings stuff

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hatter:

maybe its in the mythtv-setup

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Tanthrix:

I have a pvr-150 setup with one line up, and my digital cable over firewire setup with another line up. Can I have my ATSC card use the same line up as the cable box for the 10 or so channels that it has?

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Tanthrix:

hatter: Utilities/Setup>Setup>TV Setup>Recording Profiles

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hatter:

Tanthrix, thx

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hatter:

mpeg-4 or rtjpeg ?

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hatter:

i see, it will chew up more space on higher quality

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hatter:

dammit, somehow i got 480x480 picutre window

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hatter:

i see, i accidentally set i 1 pixel width, 0 fills the whole screen

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kormoc:

hatter, also framegrabber cards like the one you have are known for being low quality

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Tanthrix:

Definately. You might be more happy with a PVR-150 or such

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hatter:

kormoc, yeah, its an old spirit scp1000, i was wondering if it would be crap

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Tanthrix:

Didn't realize you had a framegrabbing card

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hatter:

pvr-150 , is that one hardware enconding ?

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Tanthrix:

Aye.

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adante:

howdy

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adante:

i'm trying to run some of the contrib scripts

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adante:

it's giving me a Can't locate MythTV/Socket.pm

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adante:

i'm not too familiar with perl, tried running with perl -I /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/ without any luck

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Know anything about setting up QAM channels?

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** Tanthrix backs up his database before breaking it the old fashioned way **

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Tanthrix:

I don't suppose it's possible to generate a channels.conf from the db

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matthew:

is it possible to install the frontend only? I don't mean putting the backend on another computer, i don't want a backend at all.

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mikeones:

nope

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Sid`:

matthew: possible, but not really recommended

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Sid`:

and really rather pointless

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Sid`:

if you want a nice GUI interface to your pre-acquired content, use elisa or freevo or something

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matthew:

those use external players

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Sid`:

how is that a problem?

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matthew:

the external players, how do i put this, have terrible gui

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Anduin:

matthew: You can run only the frontend, still need MySQL, and editing the .xml to hide things you will not use.

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matthew:

will it have that "cannot connect to backend" message every time though?

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Anduin:

matthew: when do you see that?

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matthew:

when i tried before (several months ago), when you start mythtv it says that.

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matthew:

i'll have to try again though i gues.

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Anduin:

It says that when you go to the watch recordings screen, which, yes, requires the backend.

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matthew:

so i need to still get mythtv-database?

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Anduin:

matthew: I have no idea about what packages you would use, you will still need MySQL and a mythconverge DB, so I'd imagine that is the right package.

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matthew:

ok thanks

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matthew:

what privileges does the mythtv user need?

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Sid`:

yeah, you'll also get that 'can't talk to master backend' message if you try and quit, or go to the status page, or one of 3 or 4 other things

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Sid`:

but you can hack around most of that

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Tanthrix:

I wonder how long it's going to be before you can't get a video card with DVI output sans HDCP

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Sid`:

Tanthrix: there's always going to be SOMEONE selling them, it's a feature that people'd pay for.

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Tanthrix:

True enough.

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Sid`:

and nobody'd really mind as long as PVP-OPM or whatever windows calls it downgrades stuff without HDCP

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Tanthrix:

I'm seeing about 115 video cards with HDCP enabled DVI on newegg right now

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Sid`:

that's insane

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Tanthrix:

Just hope nvidia doesn't make it a requirement or anything for their next GPUs (at the forcing of Microsoft)

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Sid`:

i'm pretty sure you can tell the drivers not to negotiate HDCP, but again, you lose your 'protected content' stuff

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Sid`:

absolute worst case, just put a DVI bridge that doesnt speak HDCP in the middle, and force both ends to negotiate a non-HDCP path

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Tanthrix:

I was wondering if there was an easy way to make my cable box think it's connecting to a non HDCP enabled set by covering up some pins or something

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Tanthrix:

Box is buggy about HDCP, and I think it might not downscale with out

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Sid`:

suggest not

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Sid`:

i imagine that stuff's all done in-band

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Sid`:

has to be, looking at a DVI pinout

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Tanthrix:

Yah, that does make sense – less trivial to block then. Not that it matters much

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Sid`:

Tanthrix: * Carries video, audio, and auxiliary data via one of three modes called the Video Data Period, the Data Island Period, and the Control Period. During the Video Data Period, the pixels of an active video line are transmitted. During the Data Island period (which occurs during the horizontal and vertical blanking intervals), audio and auxiliary data are transmitted within a series of packets. The Control Period occurs between Video an

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Sid`:

(from wikipedia)

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Sid`:

infers that it IS all done in-band

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Tanthrix:

A shame.

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Sid`:

can't you tell your TV to not negotiate HDCP?

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Tanthrix:

No, no such setting.

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Sid`:

odd

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Sid`:

nice that once again the consumer electronics world is taking kickbacks from the content idiots and bending consumers over

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Tanthrix:

Sid`: Yah, neither of the two HDCP enabled TVs that I've worked with have had that option

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Sid`:

yeah, that sucks

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Tanthrix:

Bleh, these instructions for setting QAM channels are utter garbage. (I'd be happy to improve them if I could figure the damn thing out! heh)

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Tanthrix:

If anyone is around that knows a thing or two about the channel db or adding QAM channels, I could really use the help

[03:10:59]

Kevorkian:

There might be .. but irc seems to be less then stable tonight

[03:11:02]

Tanthrix:

I added a zap2it line up for my A180 card, then made a intermediary grabber-less line up to scan my qam channels in. I then used the channel editor to give one of those qam channels the same xmltvid as its corresponding line up

[03:11:06]

Kevorkian:

at least this net that is

[03:11:57]

Tanthrix:

So now I can tune to 710 (the zap2it channel number, which is mapped to the 10.1 QAM scanned number) but in the guide it just says unknown, even after mythfilldatabase and mythfilldatabase -refresh-today

[03:16:07]

Tanthrix:

Also tried --do-channel-updates

[03:18:16]

Kevorkian:

can you click on the guide and set a recording for it ?

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Kevorkian:

now .. I dont use qam and dont KNOW .. but I will try and help you to reason it out

[03:18:48]

Tanthrix:

Well, I could set a manual, but the channel just says "UNKNOWN" so there is no program data, even though it's mapped

[03:19:19]

Tanthrix:

And it does tune to the right channel, so the frequency / QAM aspect of it is working – the problem is that I can't link it up to a zap2its channel to get the data

[03:19:36]

Kevorkian:

oh .. so youve never got any data .. .. your question was how to tune to it .. I figure if you set a recording to it .. then it will show up in recordings .. and you can watch it that way ..

[03:20:03]

Kevorkian:

which is kinda like tuneing to the chan

[03:20:19]

Kevorkian:

cause even watching live tv is really watching the recording of live tv

[03:21:28]

Tanthrix:

I'll describe where I'm at now: I've got a grabberless (no zap2it) video source that I scanned QAM channels into. Then I got the my 10 QAM channels in the guide as 10.1, 6.1, etc.. – all with no channel data of course

[03:21:50]

Tanthrix:

Then I created a zap2its line up for those 10 channels, mapped it to nothing, then ran mythfilldatabase to get the channels and info, which it did

[03:22:03]

Tanthrix:

Now I'm trying to make those QAM channels use the channels in the zap2it line up

[03:23:20]

Kevorkian:

again .. I dont KNOW , but I would expect there to be some relation in the DB between them

[03:23:39]

Tanthrix:

Aye, which I thought was supposed to be the xmltvid, which I set accordingly

[03:24:23]

Kevorkian:

no .. I mean like in teh db itself .. a table where zap_id = qam_id .. or some sort

[03:24:54]

Tanthrix:

No, xmltvid is the id that corresponds to zap2it or any other lineups, in the db

[03:30:28]

Tanthrix:

Huzzah! I got it to work with one channel, not gotta figure out what I did.

[03:30:34]

Tanthrix:

Kevorkian: Thanks for your help, much appreciated

[03:31:08]

Kevorkian:

sorry I couldnt be more help

[03:31:31]

Kevorkian:

it really was all you .. anything I said was just me trying to reason it out with you.

[03:31:46]

Tanthrix:

It's the effort and thought that I appreciate, so cheers!

[03:32:01]

Kevorkian:

Ahh .. ok cool .. so where is my beer ?

[03:32:17]

** Tanthrix points behind you then runs **

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Tanthrix:

Now, off to the store for a break from all this.

[03:34:42]

Kevorkian:

dont forget the beer

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Leebier:

any ideas as to why my recordedseek table would keep crashing?

[03:37:12]

Kevorkian:

because it doesnt like you

[03:37:26]

Leebier:

this is becoming evident

[03:37:47]

Kevorkian:

Perhaps if you buy it some flowers it may put out

[03:38:45]

Kevorkian:

sorry .. wish I could help .. there was someone in here eariler that had something similar

[03:38:49]

Leebier:

come 'round earlier, figured out how to fix it w/ the mysqlcheck and then mythcommflag

[03:38:52]

Leebier:

yeah, that was me :)

[03:38:58]

Kevorkian:

ahhh

[03:39:00]

Leebier:

ran it all and it worked for a few hours

[03:39:05]

Leebier:

and now it seems to have just crashed again

[03:39:17]

Leebier:

happening once was understandable (i've had the box running a while now w/ no problems)

[03:39:27]

Leebier:

happening twice is concerning

[03:39:40]

Kevorkian:

is it really the tables ?? or could it be keybindings ?

[03:40:04]

Leebier:

um, i'm not sure. that said, fixing the tables worked

[03:40:22]

Leebier:

and the OSD usually shows the key i'm hitting (if a big laggy)

[03:40:36]

Kevorkian:

OK .. so it knows what keys your pressing

[03:40:47]

Leebier:

though, at the moment, it isn't, but it was a moment ago

[03:40:47]

Kevorkian:

then most likely not keybings

[03:40:53]

Leebier:

so i presume it's still the table, not hte binding

[03:41:00]

Kevorkian:

via remote ?? or keyboard ?

[03:41:03]

Leebier:

remote

[03:41:10]

Leebier:

where did i put that keyboard? :)

[03:41:12]

Kevorkian:

hmmm

[03:41:30]

Kevorkian:

yea .. try a keyboard to be sure its not a lircd issue

[03:41:31]

Leebier:

same w/ the keyboard

[03:41:35]

Kevorkian:

kk

[03:41:49]

Leebier:

well, currently no response from anything, but i was getting that before as well sporadically

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Leebier:

usually after a few times that the OSD does work, i imagine the commands are backing up in a queue or something

[03:42:34]

Kevorkian:

I had a box with a pvr 150 remote .. the remote was so buggy I ended up not using it ..

[03:42:49]

dr_willis:

Kevorkian, same here. I use a wireless keyboard for a remote.

[03:42:53]

Leebier:

i'm using a 350 but the remote has been fine for 2+ years now

[03:43:07]

Leebier:

and the keyboard is non-responsive as well

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Kevorkian:

kk .. I was just saying issues that I have had personaly .. and with teh leyboard being broke also it points away from it being a ir thing

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Leebier:

yeah

[03:44:24]

Leebier:

grr

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Kevorkian:

being that it had worked ..

[03:44:46]

Kevorkian:

I woudl ask myself ..

[03:44:49]

Kevorkian:

what has changed

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Kevorkian:

cause something must have .. we just dont know 'what' changed

[03:45:51]

Leebier:

right, as i haven't futzed around w/ anything in months

[03:46:02]

Leebier:

i've learned not to mess with things when they are working :)

[03:46:29]

Kevorkian:

ahhh .. if its working .. that just means you havent fixed it enough yet

[03:47:19]

Leebier:

well, yeah, but i was waiting until i buy a new enclosure to start fixing all over again :)

[03:49:18]

Leebier:

better yet, i'm trying to run the optimize_mythdb.pl

[03:49:31]

Leebier:

and it's giving me an invalid syntax error and i know nothing about python to attempt to debug

[03:49:51]

** Kevorkian shrugs **

[03:49:58]

Leebier:

yeah, at this point i'm just bitching

[03:50:39]

Kevorkian:

but this is the fun part ..

[03:50:45]

Kevorkian:

this is why we MYTH

[03:50:56]

Kevorkian:

if we wanted it to 'just work' we would have bought a tivo

[03:51:02]

Anduin:

perl

[03:51:06]

dr_willis:

"I Myth there for i am"

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Leebier:

yeah

[03:52:01]

Leebier:

i knew that

[03:52:17]

Leebier:

that would explain the error though since i typed python in bash too

[03:52:19]

Leebier:

oy

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Leebier:

thx anduin

[03:56:19]

Leebier:

alright, i'll have to come back to this another day

[03:56:24]

Leebier:

halt the system and go to bed

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[04:01:25]

Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: you around?

[04:03:01]

mIRCat:

he's off selling his television to pay for his myth addiction

[04:04:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

wanted to ask some RM4100 questions. have Linux nfsroot up on one of the ones I just got in the mail this afternoon and next step is getting mythfrontend on it. :)

[04:05:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

old serial dock for my handspring visor deluxe came in handy to use with the serial connection on the RM4100.

[04:14:43]

hatter:

anyone know how i get a miro dc30+ to be recongised in mythtv ?

[04:15:46]

Kevorkian:

if I knew what that was I might be able to point you at a startign place

[04:16:07]

hatter:

its a miro capture card around 8 years old with a zoran chipset

[04:16:45]

hatter:

there is a card type mjpeg capture card (dc10) which should use the same chipset, but it says failed to open

[04:19:21]

Kevorkian:

we know the card works ?

[04:19:37]

Kevorkian:

is there an entry for it in /dev ?

[04:19:47]

Kevorkian:

can you point mplayer at the /dev and get a pic ?

[04:20:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

and what is the exact error message in Myth if it works outside Myth.

[04:26:20]

hatter:

hmmm, the old bt878 module is still loaded and i cant see a zoarn module, i will just check this out

[04:26:31]

vandebo_:

I can't get mythdvd to rip my dvd... When I press 0, the button presses and then nothing happens

[04:27:21]

vandebo_:

mtd is running and there's nothing interesting in the logs

[04:27:47]

Kevorkian:

mtd ?

[04:28:13]

Sid`:

mythtranscoded

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Sid`:

i think

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MavT:

vandebo_: does mtd have permissions on the temp folders required for working ?

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ShockValue:

ok, so i have a 6 gig movie i want to watch in myth, it shows up as 6g on my file server, but on my front-end, its only 2G.

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ShockValue:

am i mounting the server wrong somehow, or is there a file size limit with mounting over network?

[04:35:00]

Captain_Murdoch:

samba?

[04:35:04]

ShockValue:

nfs

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Captain_Murdoch:

v2?

[04:35:11]

ShockValue:

umm

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Kevorkian:

you have the front end mounting the file from the fs and not letting the be stream it to you

[04:35:17]

ShockValue:

not sure

[04:35:23]

kormoc:

if you don't know then it's likely v2

[04:35:56]

ShockValue:

the frontend mounts the media server share so it can get music and dvd rips.. the dvd rip is 6g, but it shows as 2g when mounted front end

[04:36:28]

Kevorkian:

and when you look at the same file outside of myth ?

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ShockValue:

im looking at it from the cosole on both servers. from the console on front end its 2g. back-end console = 6g

[04:37:06]

defendguin_:

is anyone else having problems grabbing data from zap2it right now?

[04:37:09]

ShockValue:

proc2 18 0 36 0 0 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1

[04:37:09]

ShockValue:

proc4 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

[04:38:14]

ShockValue:

so am i running both v2 and v4 somehow? :)

[04:39:11]

Kevorkian:

shock .. how large is the file outside of myth on the fe machine ?

[04:39:17]

ShockValue:

2g

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, <ShockValue> im looking at it from the cosole on both servers. from the console on front end its 2g. back-end console = 6g

[04:39:25]

Kevorkian:

so this is not a myth issue

[04:39:40]

vandebo_:

MavT: I started mtd as root...

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Kevorkian:

did not see that kormoc

[04:39:46]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, he has determined that before he even started this conversation, rehashing it won't help matters...

[04:40:12]

ShockValue:

yeah ok, i see what you're getting at.. its not /technically/ a myth issue.. but its /for/ mythtv, and there are some friendly and smart people in here :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

ShockValue: did you compile this kernel yourself?

[04:40:58]

defendguin_:

Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... failed: Name or service not known

[04:41:14]

ShockValue:

Yes, but its been 6+ months since ive done it.. this is the first time ive tried storing files this big

[04:41:15]

MavT:

vandebo_: hmmm, ok – ran into a similar problem to you at one stage, but my problem was permissions

[04:41:45]

Kevorkian:

Marvin:~ chris$ ping datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com

[04:41:45]

Kevorkian:

PING datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com (206.18.98.160): 56 data bytes

[04:41:45]

Kevorkian:

'Marvin:~ chris$ ping datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com

[04:41:45]

Kevorkian:

PING datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com (206.18.98.160): 56 data bytes

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Kevorkian:

opps

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Kevorkian:

sorry ..

[04:41:53]

Kevorkian:

but anyay .. works for me

[04:41:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

doesn't sound like you ahve v3 support compiled in. you can try putting "nfsvers=3" in your mount options and seeing if that works.

[04:42:00]

defendguin_:

uggg

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ShockValue:

Captain_Murdoch – ill go check my kernel config as well, thanks

[04:42:28]

defendguin_:

i termserved into a box at work and it didn't work

[04:42:31]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, you missed an important bit of info. defendguin_ it resolves but doesn't respond

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Captain_Murdoch:

might be a module, can't recall if you can compile that as a module or not

[04:42:39]

defendguin_:

oh duh

[04:42:57]

Kevorkian:

kormoc, last error he pasted was a failed reslove

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defendguin_:

same here i guess they are having issues

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ShockValue:

i typically dont do modules unless i have to, so its probably a kernel thing

[04:43:08]

Kevorkian:

oh .. wait ..

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kormoc:

defendguin_, they tend to swap servers every few months or so, it'll likely work in a few hours

[04:43:11]

Kevorkian:

umm ..

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Kevorkian:

damm .. I need to fix my eyes

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defendguin_:

kormoc: thanks :-)

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Kevorkian:

wait .. no .. that was a failed reslove

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ShockValue:

lol, ok

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ShockValue:

my kernel on my FE has V4 but not V3

[04:45:00]

ShockValue:

think that's it?

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defendguin_:

supertux@houston:~$ ping datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com

[04:45:06]

defendguin_:

PING datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com (206.18.98.160) 56(84) bytes of data.

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defendguin_:

same deal here

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Kevorkian:

so now you reslove

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defendguin_:

it always resolved

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Kevorkian:

<defendguin_> Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... failed: Name or service not known <--- it did ?

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defendguin_:

thats from mythfilldatabase no telling why it posted that error

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defendguin_:

maybe it couldn't find the service it was looking for at that address

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** Captain_Murdoch wonders where MythNetwork is from. **

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, MythNetwork?

[04:47:29]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, ticket I just closed

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ShockValue:

yep, my BE doesnt have V3 NFS checked, so its probably V2 eh?

[04:47:52]

Captain_Murdoch:

google came back with 3 results which were links to squatter domains

[04:48:23]

Captain_Murdoch:

ShockValue: yep

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ShockValue:

damn, now i have to figure out how to recompile my kernel with out hozing my FE.. i never remember what modules i have to recompile :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

pays to keep a copy of your .config around, that's why some distros put it in /boot

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kormoc:

check /proc/config*

[04:49:33]

ShockValue:

well i got my .config in /usr/src/linux

[04:49:57]

kormoc:

ShockValue, lsmod will give you a nice list :P

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ShockValue:

but im more worried about nvidia/ivtv etc

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kormoc:

ShockValue, if you are recompiling the same kernel version, no need to bother

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Captain_Murdoch:

just make sure your nvidia module is in a misc or extras directory or something or else it will get wiped with the rest of your modules when you do a modules_install

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ShockValue:

oh, wont it overwrite some modules? i remember i always had to re-do my non-kernel modules afterwards for some reason

[04:51:04]

Captain_Murdoch:

same with the others.

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ShockValue:

i see

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kormoc:

ShockValue, the kernel don't have any modules named nvidia, shouldn't get overwritten

[04:51:43]

kormoc:

least never has on mine

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ShockValue:

im not so hot at linux, just OK at following directions :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

it will get removed

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, so if I do make modules_install in my kernel sources it should remove nvidia and folks?

[04:52:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

stock kernel source removes existing all existing modules under the kernel tree

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hatter:

any Australian users here ? know where or which remote control to buy ?

[04:52:37]

ShockValue:

can i just not do a modules_install?

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Captain_Murdoch:

@rm -rf $(MODLIB)/kernel

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, it's not here, and I'm using kernel from kernel.org's vanilla tree

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's in the main Makefile under Linux

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Captain_Murdoch:

kormoc: this is stock as well.

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Captain_Murdoch:

it removes kernel dir and children, removes source link, then makes new kernel dir, then links source dir, then removes and relinks build link then installs modules

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kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch, I see the line but it's not doing anything

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Captain_Murdoch:

has done that as long as I remember

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Captain_Murdoch:

I've always put my nvidia module in the misc directory because of that.

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

ooh duh, nvidia stuck it in /lib/modules/ver/video not kernel/video

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kormoc:

ivtv is in there too

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kormoc:

hence why it's not doing anything

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Captain_Murdoch:

nvidia trickery... :)

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kormoc:

welp that would be why I've never had to rebuild :P

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Captain_Murdoch:

seen things sometimes put it in extra also

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Captain_Murdoch:

could be if that dir exists nvidia and other apps will use it.

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kormoc:

perhaps

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hrm, i have lirc, realtime, and nvidia modules loaded

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Dagmar:

So, what size/aspect are the movie covers for MythVideo supposed to actually be?

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Agrajag-:

the ones the imdb script gets look fine for me

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Dagmar:

At least one of the myth themes seems to think they should be square

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Dagmar:

...which is pretty darned lame, but I'm cool with treating the aspect IMDB uses for most as "the" aspect

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NewCastleScott:

Hello all,Im in need of some help with the finnishing detales to get myth to work.I cant seem to record or watch any channels yet what info can I provide in order to get some help?

[06:15:39]

NewCastleScott:

I have a hauppauge 150 card and Im running it at mpeg2 I beleave

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Dagmar:

So did you do the troubleshooting steps on the ivtv site to make sure the card and drivers are working?

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NewCastleScott:

Dagmar I have not

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NewCastleScott:

Ill look now

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NewCastleScott:

do you meen if the card even works or not?

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NewCastleScott:

Dagmar,

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drfoz:

what does it do when you try to watch tv?

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NewCastleScott:

can I post in here?

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NewCastleScott:

its like 5 lines

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drfoz:

i dunno

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drfoz:

i came for help too :)

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NewCastleScott:

ahh I see

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NewCastleScott:

Dagmar, there is channels picked up running ivtv-tune -l so I think its just my settings with myth

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Tanthrix:

Woot off!

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NewCastleScott:

???

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Tanthrix:

www.woot.com

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hatter:

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NewCastleScott:

b

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NewCastleScott:

yup

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NewCastleScott:

anyone around to lend some support?

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Dagmar:

I don't want to hear "channels picked up".

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NewCastleScott:

Dagmar, it showed there were more than 100 channels found

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Dagmar:

I want to hear "saw that sample recording made by following the troubleshooting instructions was correct"

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juski:

god is he still trying to scan analogue channels?

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juski:

NewCastleScott: are you still trying to scan analogue channels instead of just using zap2it to configure em all for you?

[06:47:03]

NewCastleScott:

juski, I dont know what settings I need for my card to work...

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NewCastleScott:

I have googled but found nothing..

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juski:

1. get a zap2it account like DOCS TELL YOU. 2. tell zap2it what channels you have. 3. in mythtv-setup, 'get channel lineup from listing source'. badabing. AFAIK#

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NewCastleScott:

juski, I cant see any tv though...no recordings eather

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hatter:

NewCastleScott, is that newcastle Australia ?

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juski:

you keep rabbiting on & on about how such & such found so many channels. so far no information on whether or not you've used ivtvtune & cat /dev/video0 to see actual pictures

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NewCastleScott:

I get somthing in term. saying seek failed

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juski:

start at square one

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NewCastleScott:

id that a driver issue?

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Dagmar:

It could be damn well anything.

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juski:

stop

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juski:

stop mythbackend

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NewCastleScott:

hatter, I like the beer

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juski:

right now. just stop it

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NewCastleScott:

ok

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Dagmar:

You've had two people now tell you the same thing to test, and you're not doing it.

[06:49:56]

juski:

now do mplayer /dev/video0

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Dagmar:

Hand-holding is for bitches

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juski:

hell even if you just see mush in mplayer, like an untuned tv station (!), the driver is working

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NewCastleScott:

it sais playing but I see no pic...

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juski:

no picture at all? not even static?

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NewCastleScott:

mpayer doesnt open...

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NewCastleScott:

it sais playing though

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Dagmar:

congratulations then you have finally proven that you didn't install ivtv correctly.

[06:51:18]

juski:

bingo!

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juski:

so if the driver ISN'T WORKING how the hell do you expect mythtv to work with it?!

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Dagmar:

Maybe you'll start *doing* what people tell you is the correct step to test/fix

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NewCastleScott:

nice then the problem has been solved...

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NewCastleScott:

I thanlk you ill go back to the wiki...

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juski:

#1 confirm your hardware works in linux before even going NEAR mythtv

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juski:

oh damnit I was gonna list my badges on ebay before heading to work.. and I can't because their site sucks. nice

[07:08:35]

Dagmar:

I used a hammer this morning.

[07:08:44]

Dagmar:

On my myth box, no less. :)

[07:08:53]

Kevorkian:

t worked before you broke it ?

[07:13:03]

Dagmar:

Nah. I have http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/Products.aspx?pid=1169 case.

[07:13:27]

Dagmar:

The badge it has is clearly not square. http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/ProductImages/1169_3.jpg

[07:13:40]

Dagmar:

Pull it off and it leaves a six-sided indentation in the grille.

[07:14:07]

Dagmar:

I couldn't find anything that would fit it, or cover it without being hideous, but several whacks with a padded hammer flattens it right out. :)

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juski:

Dagmar: what you need is a mythtv case badge

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: That collation error went away by just removing one of the card inputs and re-entering it. So I didn't need to downgrade after all.

[07:29:42]

Dagmar:

Collation error?

[07:30:38]

Dagmar:

Xenobyte: someone should remind him that files in bin are supposed to be root.bin

[07:30:43]

juski:

bah. mythvideo really doesn't like you removing redundant info areas. BAHHH!

[07:32:04]

Dagmar:

Xenobyte: That rar package on LP.net

[07:32:16]

Dagmar:

damn lag is making me type into all kinda wrong channels tonight

[07:39:09]

juski:

so now the badges are on ebay, folks might actually buy em

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juski:

hmm. I can see a patch being needed to fix the arrow locations in video-ui.xml's list function

[07:44:27]

juski:

it's ignoring location="

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juski:

aaarse

[07:45:06]

juski:

Dagmar: you ever tried to get the arrows to line up with the select bar perfectly? it's impossible!

[07:45:19]

Dagmar:

You wanna see something funny?

[07:45:24]

juski:

go on then

[07:45:34]

juski:

last thing before I go to work

[07:45:34]

Dagmar:

Some dude in ##Slackware is wanting help with his C program.

[07:45:35]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/521687

[07:45:53]

Dagmar:

I told him he should ask in #C.

[07:45:58]

Dagmar:

They could use a good laugh over there.

[07:46:12]

juski:

maybe try asking in #perl too

[07:46:58]

juski:

nah this is definitely going to need fixing

[07:47:01]

Dagmar:

"<shhheks> im learning from a video"

[07:47:37]

juski:

oh that video? teach yourself C in 10 minutes with this 1337 divx ? I almost paid for that

[07:47:46]

** juski goes to work **

[07:50:09]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: The weird thing that I thought had been caused by upgrading to Mysql5 – something like "illegal collation mix: latin_c1_swedish and latin_c1_general" or something

[07:50:37]

Dagmar:

Oh oh now I remember what you're talking about

[07:50:56]

Tanthrix:

Do you have to remove channels manually from the db if you've removed them from a line up, or is there a way to do that automatically?

[07:51:34]

Tanthrix:

mythfilldatabase, and mythfilldatabase --refresh-all haven't done the trick. Just removed the data so I have a bunch of unknown channels now

[07:57:50]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: It's an easy enough mistake to make for a newbie. That's why it's important to stress that it's not an equal sign, but an assignment operator.

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slaine_:

Anyone using MythDora 4 here ?>

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slaine_:

I'm wondering what the base installation size is

[07:59:19]

Dagmar:

One of these days I will figure out what macro to unbind so I can stop bouncing off and back on like that

[07:59:22]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

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slaine_:

Hoping to put the OS part on a 1Gb IDE Flash module and then have my 400GB drive mounted as /storage

[08:00:15]

Tanthrix:

slaine_: Mounted from a remote computer I take it...

[08:00:27]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: There's "being a newbie" and there's "i've been doing an alarming number of inhalants"

[08:00:37]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking his code represents the latter.

[08:00:47]

Dagmar:

There's hardly a single line in it that isn't fucked.

[08:00:48]

slaine_:

lol

[08:00:55]

gbee:

morning

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Haven't seen it, so I can't say. But in my first few weeks of cs classes I made that mistake

[08:01:10]

Dagmar:

You *have* to see this

[08:01:34]

gbee:

who's code?

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Dagmar:

You might want to um, put on a padded helmet or goggles first tho

[08:01:55]

Tanthrix:

I've only had three C++ classes, so I don't know if I know enough to understand what is so fundementally flawed about it

[08:02:02]

Dagmar:

It appears to contain an extremely high number of bogon particles

[08:02:03]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/521687

[08:02:04]

slaine_:

Tanthrix, not mounted remotely no, just like the idea of having OS on one flash and media on the large hdd

[08:02:48]

Tanthrix:

slaine_: That is an insanely pointless idea, to be frank. No idea about the size though, sorry.

[08:02:57]

Dagmar:

...and he's like "oh but it only gets one compiler error"

[08:03:12]

slaine_:

OMG

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Dagmar:

slaine_: It's crazy. There's literally not a single line in it that's kosher

[08:04:13]

slaine_:

I know, I'm wiping the tears away from my eyes

[08:04:16]

Dagmar:

He got the printf right and that's about it

[08:04:37]

NewCastleScott:

Hello all.Im back with conformation the hw I have works....I have tested it with mplayer and it looks good.I have ran the frontend and tryed to watch tv but I get a segmentation fault what will cause this?

[08:05:34]

slaine_:

Dagmar, where's that garbage from (I can't even bring my self to call it code)

[08:05:36]

Dagmar:

NewCastleScott: Could be anything, but... Now you should probably run mythtv-setup again

[08:05:45]

NewCastleScott:

ok I will thanks

[08:05:56]

Dagmar:

slaine_: Some newb named shhheks was wanting help with it in ##slackware

[08:06:07]

Dagmar:

slaine_: He says he's learning C from some video.

[08:06:51]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking that perhaps he's watching a video on basketweaving or perhaps painting pastoral landscapes

[08:06:58]

slaine_:

rofl

[08:06:58]

Tanthrix:

Man zap2it takes forever. I'm getting near dial up speeds from them.

[08:07:48]

slaine_:

Dagmar, and in that vein, I think I'll learn some Python this morning. I've a nice little text parsey project that needs doing here, no better way to learn

[08:08:35]

Dagmar:

Thanthrix: Betcha they're running it on MSSQL.

[08:09:04]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[08:09:22]

Dagmar:

I get some people in another dept over here pissed at me on a regular basis

[08:09:34]

Dagmar:

They host the change management calendar server, and it's database is ludicrously slow

[08:09:51]

Dagmar:

If I had to guess, I'd say they were running it on a P150 with 128Mb of RAM or something

[08:10:02]

Dagmar:

We're talking 15–20s to get a query back from it

[08:10:23]

Dagmar:

Every time I deal with them I offer to give them one of my old 300Mhz pentiums to run it on

[08:10:31]

Tanthrix:

I'm sure they love that, heh

[08:10:36]

NewCastleScott:

Im getting 4.25 k myself from zap2it

[08:10:49]

Dagmar:

Honestly I don't know how they managed to make the thing run *that* slowly

[08:10:56]

slaine_:

Dagmar, The DB would have to be big for that machine to be slow at returning a query request

[08:10:57]

NewCastleScott:

lol

[08:11:03]

Dagmar:

slaine_: It's not.

[08:11:08]

Dagmar:

It _can't_ even be

[08:11:33]

Dagmar:

They've had it running for less than two years, at most it handles about 15 events a day, averaging five

[08:11:39]

slaine_:

Something wrong somewhere, P150's are ancient by today's standards, but by god their not that slow

[08:11:40]

Dagmar:

...and it's been this slow since day oen

[08:12:00]

slaine_:

Dagmar, likely a bad design then then or setup

[08:12:09]

Dagmar:

If several hundred people were hitting it at once, I could see it being this slow

[08:12:25]

slaine_:

Yes, but that's not likely is it ?

[08:12:41]

Dagmar:

That's not only unlikely, it's laughable

[08:12:49]

slaine_:

hehe

[08:12:59]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, I should probably make a ghost image of my myth system as soon as I get it working all nice and perfect-ish

[08:13:29]

slaine_:

I've run serious enterprise servers on machines less capable than that in the past and they where rock solid performers

[08:13:37]

** slaine_ showing his age **

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NewCastleScott:

lol

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Tanthrix:

slaine_: Now that I think about it, isn't the mythdora ISO 1gb? I think that means you'd be out of luck

[08:14:41]

NewCastleScott:

will someone stop syncing with zap until I connect?

[08:14:51]

Dagmar:

heh

[08:15:06]

Dagmar:

NewCastleScott: it's not really expected to be zippy

[08:15:07]

slaine_:

Tanthrix, I've never installed it, but I was hoping that I wouldn't need to install everything.

[08:15:16]

NewCastleScott:

no doubt I see

[08:15:31]

Dagmar:

99.9% of the time it'll be synching in the background, so it being very slow is fine

[08:15:33]

Tanthrix:

I think they're having issues, I near stalling out

[08:15:42]

slaine_:

I can do a Fedora Core 5 install that takes up less than 450Mb here with X etc. So it should be possible, I guess I'll just have to hand roll it

[08:16:04]

Dagmar:

slaine_: If you're doing FC you need to look into kickstart

[08:16:08]

NewCastleScott:

It looks nice though I shuldent complain.my last pc was a 333Mh I spoiled myself with a 2.2 and forgot what waiting was like

[08:16:48]

slaine_:

Dagmar, You can just yum install a few key packages to a mounted disk to get a base system

[08:17:21]

slaine_:

That's what I've integrated into our build system here at work.

[08:17:24]

Dagmar:

slaine_: yes, but kickstart is meant to let you "define" a machine in a simple text file and then boot up and have kickstart make it happen

[08:17:39]

slaine_:

yup

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gbee:

Dagmar: the thing about that code is that it's nearly identical to that found in dozens of online tutorials – ignoring maybe two mistakes it could have been lifted straight off any website

[08:18:24]

Dagmar:

Only two?

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Dagmar:

pfffft.

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Dagmar:

The printf is about the only thing he got right

[08:19:04]

gbee:

well I'm counting the variable declarations as one mistake

[08:22:20]

Tanthrix:

dfsdfsdf

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Tanthrix:

Er, am I still alive?

[08:22:50]

gardengnome:

dunno

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gardengnome:

but you're still typing

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NewCastleScott:

I think my seg. fault is from no sound but I have no idea

[08:24:29]

slaine_:

NewCastleScott, is there a core file ?

[08:24:51]

slaine_:

failing that, strace the app that's segfaulting, might help

[08:24:57]

slaine_:

Anyway, coffee time

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vandebo_:

I can't get mythdvd to rip dvd's. When I hit 0 to start the processing (either on perfect, or other quality setting), the 0 button flashes, but nothing else happens. mtd is running

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Anduin:

vandebo_: look at the log

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vandebo_:

nothing interesting in the mtd.log

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vandebo_:

last line is a "title n is of type 4..." line

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Anduin:

vandebo_: doesn't make sense, something about creating the job or it failing should be there

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vandebo_:

yea, it would be great if there was more info, but there's not. Is there a flag to mtd to be more verbose?

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juski:

haha schoolboy error on this dome PSU board. open collector output connected to pullup resistor on a 36V input line when the max voltage is 11V on the o/c output. whoops

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directhex|work:

so stop hiring schoolboys to do your PSUs!

[08:53:16]

juski:

235003410103

[08:53:19]

juski:

bugger

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directhex|work:

yay, i have 1337 mail in my inbox#

[08:54:31]

juski:

I should have quit the forums after that many posts

[08:57:51]

Anduin:

vandebo_: it will accept -v all, but really anything bad should be in the log

[09:00:44]

vandebo_:

-v all prints some more info at the start (selects to the db for config), but otherwise it prints the some stuff the title's and one line that says the client socket has been opened

[09:04:49]

Anduin:

vandebo_: put the last several lines on some paste site

[09:07:35]

juski:

Anduin: do you know – off the top of your head why the position attribs don't work on the left & right arrows in mythvideo's list view ?

[09:07:52]

juski:

if not, s'okay – gonna have a go fixing it myself tonight

[09:08:10]

Anduin:

juski: I do not (I don't know any of the UI code off the top of my head)

[09:10:23]

Dagmar:

Wow

[09:10:28]

Dagmar:

Some people feed their pet crazy things

[09:10:57]

Dagmar:

There's a grass seed commercial on and one of the problems they cited was "pet urine spots killing your lawn?" and showing three big spots of dead grass

[09:11:49]

Dagmar:

I suppose if you have like, a tasmanian devil or something and you feed it only jalapeno peppers

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flavius:

anyone here has experience using a PCMCIA capture card with a PCMCIA to PCI adaptor (in a desktop)?

[09:17:31]

Dagmar:

flavius: Provided they _came together_ you might be able to make them work

[09:17:41]

Dagmar:

Normally that sort of thing is just like using a PCMCIA port in a notebook.

[09:17:53]

Dagmar:

...but not all PCMCIA "adapters" are actually full-fledged PCMCIA

[09:18:08]

Dagmar:

Like, if this "adapter" came with a wireless card, all bets are off.

[09:18:10]

Anduin:

vandebo_: Yeah, the problem is that there is no indication the job started, not even one of the many failure messages it can generate.

[09:18:13]

flavius:

hmm ... can you elaborate on the _came together_ part?

[09:18:44]

flavius:

here's what I want to do:

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Anduin:

juski: If that is what you mean, make sure you are editing the right file, I just moved mine.

[09:20:17]

flavius:

I don't have an adapter yet, I want to buy one and I was wondering what the chances are to make it work.

[09:20:27]

Dagmar:

flavius: If you buy one that the kernel supports

[09:21:50]

flavius:

Dagmar: is there a list width the supported adapters?

[09:22:27]

Anduin:

vandebo_: if you kill mtd, and run mtd -n you get the same results?

[09:36:38]

Dagmar:

flavius: You can try the pcmcia-utils site, or the kernel source. That's about it.

[09:37:11]

Dagmar:

Frankly, I don't think there's much point in buying a PCMCIA adapter just to use a PCMCIA card on a desktop machine when you can buy PCI cards that will do the same thing all day long.

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directhex|work:

and cheaper too

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edman007:

hi, is the svn server working? i need to download a specific revision and the commands at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ do not work

[10:16:15]

edman007:

wait, nvm, was my proxy :/

[10:16:16]

Dagmar:

how about you tell us what command you're using

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Dagmar:

ok

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mariominati:

I've got some question regarding sound setup with alsa, is someone listening ?

[11:04:06]

juski:

just ask damnit

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juski:

asking to ask is annoying

[11:04:28]

mariominati:

Isorry

[11:05:13]

mariominati:

if I use ac3/dts passthrough, how will normal tv/music be processed?

[11:05:34]

mariominati:

So is a spdif connection to av-receiver enough

[11:06:17]

mariominati:

Or do I have to setup some 2to5.1 mixup for using all boxes from the av-receiver?

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mariominati:

juski: asking to ask and not answering is not nice

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juski:

I just have my sound config set up to output everything that comes out of PCM on SPDIF, and everything ac3 & DTS comes out of spdif too :) So I get regular audio from analogue & digital & surround from digital :)

[11:15:44]

juski:

what if I didn't know the answer? it'd be rude to lie

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hads:

You get what you pay for :)

[11:16:23]

juski:

you actually get more than what you pay for :)

[11:16:27]

mariominati:

a don't know would have been ok, never mind :)

[11:17:29]

hads:

juski: True

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juski:

mariominati: apparently DTS & AC3 passthru is broken in some aspects of the Internal player – in 0.20-fixes I think. SVN trunk should be better

[11:18:52]

mariominati:

there's also that #1104 which tries to provide surround and some more, but I just try to make a kind of decision chart to put all the possibilities together

[11:19:52]

juski:

I think it's ok for recordings – just not for DVDs & other videos sometimes. I still use xine to play video & DVD because of that

[11:20:57]

mariominati:

I'm going to use mplayer for video & dvd, is xine better?

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directhex|work:

xine :x

[11:21:08]

directhex|work:

vlc!

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mariominati:

vlc? video _lan_ client!

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juski:

xine is way better than mplayer

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directhex|work:

vlc!

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juski:

vlc sucks compared to xine

[11:22:47]

directhex|work:

xine had focus issues last time i tried it, iirc

[11:23:10]

directhex|work:

i hope to switch entirely to Internal at some point, but my first priority is to dump mplayer

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mariominati:

juski: just to get an idea: why?

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juski:

mariominati: I dunno. it just IS

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mariominati:

ok

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directhex|work:

mplayer sucks with OGM files!

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juski:

never had any focus issues with xine, ever :)

[11:23:59]

juski:

directhex|work: oh you & your bloody manganese ogm files. ppft :)

[11:24:22]

directhex|work:

i use ogm files for non-manganese stuff!

[11:24:25]

directhex|work:

like disney movies!

[11:24:28]

directhex|work:

and watership down!

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juski:

is it that much better for animations? maybe I should try it out sometime

[11:25:21]

directhex|work:

it's just a container

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directhex|work:

i'm using it for everything because avi is worthless for the limited number of multi-language things i have, and i prefer to use the same across the board

[11:26:25]

mariominati:

thanks for now, I'll have some lunch :)

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directhex|work:

codecwise i'm using x264, which is pretty good for animations, but probably not quite as good as realvideo truth be told

[11:26:32]

juski:

isn't matroska a format in itself though?

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directhex|work:

no, matroska's also just a container. one with even less support than ogm o/

[11:27:21]

juski:

ffs

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juski:

there should only be one damn format

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directhex|work:

which one's that then?

[11:27:56]

juski:

I don't care – just one!

[11:28:21]

juski:

prolly would have happened if big companies hadn't got involved with their 'real'

[11:28:25]

juski:

bollocks

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directhex|work:

on the basis that both microsoft & apple have their own, different, well-used formats...

[11:28:50]

juski:

yeah but... qt is shite, wmv is shite, rm is shite..

[11:29:04]

directhex|work:

as containers or as codecs?

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directhex|work:

this is another naming issue, like "java" being a language and a framework at the same time

[11:29:20]

juski:

all the above?

[11:29:42]

directhex|work:

these days most QT-contained content is h264, and actually looks pretty good

[11:30:37]

juski:

maybe I'm just jacked off because in windows you need loads of different players for all these presky formats

[11:30:51]

directhex|work:

ASF is a pretty crappy container, but vc-1 is a reasonable enough codec for image quality

[11:31:46]

directhex|work:

juski, due to the joys of proprietaryness, that's inevitable. your best bet on windows is VLC or Media Player Classic (not to be confused with Windows Media Player 6.4)

[11:32:02]

juski:

directhex|work: I know, but it's still a PITA

[11:32:21]

juski:

there's a lot that vlc won't play or seek through properly

[11:32:22]

directhex|work:

the former plays most things as is, the latter plays all things as long as codecs are on the system, as it has built-in support for all major (and minor) containers

[11:33:21]

directhex|work:

the "real alternative" and "quicktime alternative" packs include all the codecs, repackaged, with MPC (which will play them fine). and even a handy replacement browser plugin, to make downloading HD trailers easy

[11:33:57]

juski:

plus I'm sort of stuck with quicktime thanks to Itunes.

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DexterF:

hi

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juski:

lesson learned though – in future I'll not buy anything from their store again

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directhex|work:

well, install MPC, and make it the default player for QT files. it'll use the quicktime codecs, but also plays back other formats

[11:34:42]

directhex|work:

you bought DRM from apple? O_o

[11:34:58]

juski:

only way to legally get the tracks I wanted

[11:35:35]

juski:

although they've since been converted so I could just get shot of itunes now :)

[11:35:38]

juski:

:)

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directhex|work:

converted... in volation of the license agreement under which you obtained the tracks?

[11:36:08]

juski:

anyway.. doesn't look like videotree.cpp is the code that shows the arrows in the list browser in mythvideo

[11:36:29]

juski:

directhex|work: burning to CD to enjoy later, like the software allows, you mean?

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juski:

Dagmar: !!!! you seen line 720 of uitypes.h lately ?

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directhex|work:

int m_interval;

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juski:

directhex|work: you're not looking at trunk are ya

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directhex|work:

always!

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juski:

ah bugger

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directhex|work:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . th/uitypes.h

[11:46:28]

juski:

aha.. managed tree lists can only have offsets on the up & down arrows.

[11:46:56]

juski:

this is gonna be a bit of fun

[11:49:21]

juski:

anyway the part of uitypes.h I got excited about is line 926 onwards in trunk

[11:49:34]

juski:

or 896 even

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** directhex|work hands juski a sedative **

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DexterF:

I got a Hauppauge WinTV card here, only visible chip is a bt878, doesn't have the MPEG encoder the 350 has. will an Athlon XP 2000+ be sufficient for time shift / real time encoding?

[11:55:14]

juski:

directhex|work: why?

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DexterF:

or asked another way, what would I need to record one program and time shift another?

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juski:

DexterF: that should be fine but you should know that software encoding sucks

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DexterF:

juski: sucks how?

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directhex|work:

DexterF, another tv card, since you can't record AND timeshift with just 1 framegrabber

[11:56:05]

juski:

greedy on disk space, for one thing. sucky quality for another

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DexterF:

so, optimum would be two tuner cards with hardware encoders? how about DVB-T devices, are those supported?

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juski:

dvb-t is supported

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directhex|work:

i have a spare nova-t!

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juski:

directhex|work: so er.. seems like there's underlying code in mythtv to do fancy animations

[11:57:50]

juski:

just needs bringing together by the looks of it

[11:57:56]

directhex|work:

juski, might just be a stub. you know how these things are

[11:58:44]

juski:

directhex|work: not sure ya know. I should have a look at mythuitest to find out

[12:00:10]

juski:

wouldn't mind being involved in bringing the bling to menus

[12:00:47]

directhex|work:

bring da bling, yo'!

[12:01:12]

gardengnome:

do the bling thing

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[12:01:41]

juski:

I know that it prolly won't apply to areas that haven't yet been dragged over to mythui code, but that still leaves the menu screens :)

[12:02:35]

juski:

gardengnome: if I get any bollocks from anyone I'll just walk

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GreyFoxx:

juski: There is at least some code in there. It just needs someone to sit down and do more than just the fades. Really just need to add the fade+slide stuff

[12:08:05]

juski:

and code to read it from xml files :)

[12:10:24]

GreyFoxx:

that would be the easy part :)

[12:10:46]

GreyFoxx:

I'd love to see the side scrolling/fade slide effect

[12:11:16]

GreyFoxx:

I showed a coworker your mockups and he drooled. ESPECIALLY over the one with the video still playing hehe

[12:14:32]

Dagmar:

Side scrolling?

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GreyFoxx:

having menu text/elements slide in to place from the side (or top/bottom)

[12:15:30]

GreyFoxx:

and personally I'd like text elements like filenames that are bigger than the displayed area to scroll so you can see the whole name if you pause on it

[12:15:37]

GreyFoxx:

but only if you have it highlighted

[12:16:04]

Dagmar:

Pause on it with _what_.

[12:16:09]

Dagmar:

No mouse.

[12:16:24]

Dagmar:

People should use narrower fonts.

[12:16:38]

GreyFoxx:

brb a sec, phone call

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, as long as it's well z-layered, that'd be neat. i was thinking about it myself, but the fade code is so tightly coupled with mythscreenstack (or whatever it's called) i didn't want to think about the question until that was a bit more abstracted

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GreyFoxx:

I'd love to see more mythui work going on, including moving more of the rest of the codebase over to it

[12:22:42]

GreyFoxx:

and of course I like visual screen bling too :)

[12:25:55]

Dagmar:

I'm scared to make changes to some stuff

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Dagmar:

I think I'm going to have to crudely hack something in to make the volume control in MythMusic not auto-hide

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directhex|work:

to a degree that's part of the problem, i think. you look at a big chunk of code like libmythui, and don't touch it because a) it's scary and/or nonsensical b) there are so many things that appear in-progress, there MUST be someone else working on it, and you don't want to step on their toes

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directhex|work:

there must be a reason things are the way they are, so you don't want to change that

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Dagmar:

Well, frankly I keep hoping someone's about to replace the whole process with something that's not quite such a hack

[12:34:19]

directhex|work:

rewrite myth from scratch!

[12:34:26]

gardengnome:

in perl.

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gardengnome:

someone in here wanted to do afaik

[12:34:34]

Dagmar:

...and being generally uncommented, it's going to be a bitch to find the code that's doing the auto-hiding in the first place.

[12:34:50]

Dagmar:

Hell, if I knew of a solid library for it I'd probably take a crack at rewriting it in perl.

[12:34:57]

Dagmar:

Perl, I'm *good* at

[12:35:23]

directhex|work:

you think perl is gonna be less write-only than myth is already? O_o

[12:35:57]

Dagmar:

Well, when I code perl, it's documented.

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Dagmar:

s/perl//;

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directhex|work:

yeah, well you rewrite myth in perl, i'll rewrite it in c#. may the best man win!

[12:41:36]

juski:

Dagmar: xbmc scrolls text longer than screen areas, sideways – it works really well

[12:42:12]

juski:

you could have it scroll when first selected, then wrap around & stop if necessary

[12:42:46]

juski:

it'd mean we won't have to be stuck with fixed width columns in selection lists, maybe too

[12:43:28]

juski:

Dagmar: the vol. display in mythmusic generally isn't on top of anything crucial anyway, so I wouldn't see the harm in making it visible all the time

[12:48:17]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty much fine with titles scrolling, so long as it doesn't mean the listboxes used for the playlist start sliding around like they're full of leeches.

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Dagmar:

Damn. God hates me this morning.

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Dagmar:

"syntax error at line 1, column 61, byte 61 at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/i686-linux/XML/Parser.pm line 187"

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fulhack:

Also it would be nice to automagically run imdb.pl :)

[12:53:35]

gardengnome:

yes. you can modify the database manually

[12:54:12]

juski:

it would also be nice if I never whined about users whining but hey

[12:55:08]

fulhack:

haha ;) So.. is the metadata in the MySQL database?

[12:55:24]

gardengnome:

fulhack: yes

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fulhack:

Sweet, cheers!

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TSCHAKWerk:

morning all

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masonsjax:

humpday

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TSCHAKWerk:

hump a tree stump.

[13:12:14]

juski:

Emomustdie

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TSCHAKWerk:

aww let the reincarnated new wavers have their day :-P

[13:13:29]

juski:

,

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TSCHAKWerk:

.

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TSCHAKWerk:

:

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TSCHAKWerk:

|

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TSCHAKWerk:

/

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TSCHAKWerk:

_

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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gbee:

Dagmar: did you see eskil's patch? It's swaps the repeat/shuffle text with images

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mIRCat:

I have to wonder what ELF would say

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juski:

WWJD ?

[13:26:11]

directhex|work:

drink lots of wine and pass out in the street

[13:26:13]

juski:

who wants Jack Daniels?

[13:26:20]

gardengnome:

me!

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samesame:

spirits make your brain shrink

[13:26:30]

** juski JDs everybody who wants it **

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juski:

samesame: so does lurking in user support channels

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juski:

hey ho

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samesame:

im here to expand my mind with knowledge

[13:27:12]

samesame:

not shring it with spirits!

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directhex|work:

sitting in support channels makes your brain turn squishy, not so much shrink

[13:27:18]

samesame:

shrink

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TSCHAKWerk:

mythdora.. *sigh* ...

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** TSCHAKWerk is watching the screencasts **

[13:28:09]

TSCHAKWerk:

half of this stuff can be removed.

[13:28:32]

TSCHAKWerk:

oh wait, I forgot, linux users don't like things being autodetected :-P

[13:28:39]

juski:

doesn't look half as polished as jams' effort

[13:28:47]

TSCHAKWerk:

it isn't.

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TSCHAKWerk:

not by a long shot

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LikwidFire:

has anyone ever had trouble with zap2it being very far off?

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LikwidFire:

juski: lol, i type the same info in tvguide.com and its perfect, but zap2it is not getting the right listings for my area

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juski:

I resent that remark

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Dagmar:

gbee: REALLY?

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Dagmar:

gbee: Is this to 0.20-fixes or just head?

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Ruleke:

yeah we all know juski has no mrs ;)

[13:31:30]

juski:

this fsking ignore list is awfully long

[13:31:31]

gardengnome:

Ruleke: no one in here does ;)

[13:31:47]

Ruleke:

if by mrs you mean married, I hope not

[13:31:54]

Ruleke:

who gets married these days...

[13:32:06]

juski:

hey if everybody wants me to spit my dummy out & take my themes away feel free to continue :-P

[13:32:14]

Ruleke:

hehe

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sphery:

LikwidFire: What do you mean by that? Wrong channels? Wrong information on the right channels? Right information, but bad description?

[13:32:21]

Ruleke:

I don't use your themes ;)

[13:32:35]

juski:

Ruleke: you obviously have FA taste then

[13:32:43]

sphery:

LikwidFire: If it's a problem with your lineup (i.e. channels), http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewforum.php?f=20& . . . e8e783839cc9

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LikwidFire:

sphery: wrong info on the right channels

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sphery:

LikwidFire: If it's a problem with the data, http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewforum.php?f=21& . . . e8e783839cc9

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Ruleke:

juski: nah just limited mem ;p

[13:33:16]

juski:

Ruleke: soon to be fixed, so there'll be no excuse

[13:33:21]

Ruleke:

yeah I read that

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sphery:

(When you say the right channels, you're talking about more than just the channel number, right?)

[13:33:25]

Ruleke:

looking forward to that

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juski:

i win!

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Ruleke:

juski themes ftw

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juski:

I can't even delete em anymore cos gentoo links directly to em

[13:34:23]

Ruleke:

:)

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Ruleke:

gentoo, who cares about that ?

[13:34:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

man

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TSCHAKWerk:

that was terrible

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Ruleke:

they want to compile them ?

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Ruleke:

:P

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directhex|work:

genwho?

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juski:

wonder what happens if somebody's emerging one when I update the ftp server

[13:34:48]

sphery:

LikwidFire: If it says for me that WFTV (my local ABC affiliate) is airing "Sherlock Holmes" when "Lost" actually airs, that's a problem you'll need to mention at the forum above.

[13:35:08]

LikwidFire:

sphery the channels are all fine 36 is dicovery channel etc, i had to label them myself, like yesterday futurama was on and the guide said family guy was on

[13:35:25]

** TSCHAKWerk uses gentoo for his mythtv boxes, normally... but I'm not a -funroll -O999999 ricer :-P **

[13:35:46]

sphery:

Yeah. Check the forum. There's a good chance that's a known issue. If it's not discussed there, yet, you can post a question/comment.

[13:36:00]

LikwidFire:

sweet, thanks alot for the help :)

[13:36:01]

TSCHAKWerk:

(OMGLOLZ gent00 w0rkz s00 better with -O99! pwnz!) :-P

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sphery:

Best bet is to check all the fora ( http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/ ), though, because people often discuss things in the weirdest of places...

[13:36:32]

Ruleke:

I've recompiled my compiler ! ph33r my recursive speed optimization. You just wait till X finishes !

[13:36:33]

Ruleke:

:P

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TSCHAKWerk:

I do like gentoo for the control

[13:37:06]

TSCHAKWerk:

but man... the newbies with half a clue running it, are dangerous people.

[13:37:10]

LikwidFire:

sphery: hehe k, i was so excited to watch mythbusters yesterday and it recorded deadliest catch lol

[13:37:49]

sphery:

They've been extremely accurate for me, but then again, I only have local OTA channels.

[13:37:56]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm xbmc for linux... interesting

[13:38:17]

juski:

GreyFoxx: mmyers?!

[13:38:42]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, xbmc is coming to linux

[13:38:54]

sphery:

The only time I've seen wrong info is when the station/network changed something at the last minute.

[13:38:56]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/index.php . . . port_project

[13:38:56]

juski:

no way

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LikwidFire:

yea it used to be accurate for me too, i used to run gbpvr and the guide was dead on a while ago, and it used to be dead on in myth before too, but after i put gentoo on the box it has been acting funny

[13:39:36]

juski:

talk about the perfect mythfrontend, with nice animations... just needs better mythtv integration!

[13:39:44]

GreyFoxx:

juski: hehe I was thinking that

[13:40:00]

GreyFoxx:

improve the backend/recording, upnp and other stuff, leave the FE to xbmc hehe

[13:40:17]

LikwidFire:

sphery: well thanks again, i gotta go to work so atleast ill have something to do there lol

[13:40:46]

juski:

GreyFoxx: skinning xbmc must be a PITA since you can't take the ui to bits without all those 1337 tools

[13:42:52]

juski:

but at least they have a skin testing app :)

[13:45:02]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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juski:

so they've finally bit the bullet & decided to get away from their stolen compilers. nift

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gbee:

think just for a change from the recent stuff I've been doing, that I might get the long requested "clock in menus" done

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planktonboy:

Hi chaps

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juski:

gbee: themeable I hope ;)

[14:01:03]

planktonboy:

hi juski, gbee

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juski:

hey planktonboy

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juski:

gbee: be good for base.xml that one

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gbee:

juski: as themeable as possible

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gbee:

juski: yeah

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juski:

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juski:

e.g. ;) ^^

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directhex|work:

what about image-based clocks though? :o

[14:03:24]

juski:

harder to do

[14:03:38]

directhex|work:

knowing myth, it'd need a bitmap for every possible clock position in a day cached ;)

[14:03:40]

planktonboy:

gbee, thanks for the tip yesterday, it patched fine

[14:04:04]

juski:

directhex|work: sure there'd be plenty example opengl clock demo code around somewhere

[14:04:11]

planktonboy:

today Im working on the transcode deamon, making sure that burns and copies ok

[14:04:12]

gbee:

directhex|work: in time maybe, but much harder – especially a "clock face" type one

[14:04:18]

planktonboy:

hi directhex :)

[14:04:26]

directhex|work:

juski, opengl? but what bout the poor pvr350 users? :(

[14:04:59]

Dagmar:

Scrooem

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planktonboy:

does anyone know what the advantage of copyind a DVD to the hard drive in iso format is

[14:05:24]

Dagmar:

planktonboy: It gets rid of all that annoying empty space

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, you keep the dvd menu structure

[14:05:36]

planktonboy:

ok

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, and all the extra languages and special features

[14:05:48]

planktonboy:

yeah that seems to work quite well

[14:06:07]

planktonboy:

just loaded on Enter the Dragon

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planktonboy:

and old fav :)

[14:06:32]

TSCHAKWerk:

DON'T CONCENTRATE ON THE FINGAA OR YOU WILL MISS ALL DAT HEAVENLY GLORRYYY.

[14:07:03]

planktonboy:

TSCHAKWerk, LOL

[14:07:08]

planktonboy:

thats the one

[14:07:21]

planktonboy:

ITS LIKE A FINGER POITING TO THE MOON

[14:07:23]

TSCHAKWerk:

(yeah i am joking, but I happen to respect the man's work, I have a copy of his book.)

[14:07:26]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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planktonboy:

POINTING even

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TSCHAKWerk:

DON'T THINK... FEEEEEEL.

[14:07:54]

planktonboy:

yeah, I have been to the studios in Hong Kong before

[14:08:03]

juski:

directhex|work: pvr350 users? what about them?!

[14:08:12]

TSCHAKWerk:

one of the coolest fight scenes I ever saw, was with Lee and Chuck Norris... holy crap.

[14:08:21]

planktonboy:

my old man knew Raymond Chow who produced all those movies

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directhex|work:

juski, imagine them sitting & quietly crying, due to GL-only elements

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TSCHAKWerk:

planktonboy: awesome.. yeah I know the name.

[14:08:40]

planktonboy:

yeah that fight scene was a classic

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juski:

one of the uncoolest fight scenes I ever saw, there were 2 doormen bashing some guy's head against a concrete post. not a good thing to see at the end of your first night as a dj

[14:09:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: ouchie

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planktonboy:

juski, OUCH

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planktonboy:

LOL, touchee

[14:09:45]

juski:

directhex|work: can you imagine how happy I feel now, with that image in my mind? pvr350 owners softly weeping.. mmmmmm :D

[14:09:59]

TSCHAKWerk:

"wow, that was like..his stomach plug...on the ground back there..."

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TSCHAKWerk:

(for those who have never watched Kung Pow--Enter The Fist... must watch.. side splitting laughter and tears all through)

[14:11:10]

TSCHAKWerk:

"Master Pain...what do we do? .... O-PEN THE MOUUUUTH..." :-P

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simon_c:

Hi All,

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simon_c:

I've archived quite a few programs off in native format via myth-archive, and want to import them into a new system. Is there any way of importing more than one at a time ? It's going to become *very* tedious.

[14:12:02]

planktonboy:

TSCHAKWerk, yeah thats a funny movie

[14:12:23]

TSCHAKWerk:

planktonboy: "Do not mind Wimp Lo..he is an idiot."

[14:12:24]

planktonboy:

a great pisstake

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planktonboy:

LOL

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juski:

simon_c: rsync & mysql :)

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simon_c:

juski: and writing a script to parse the xml files myself too. :-(

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juski:

XML::parse to the rescue!

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Ruleke:

ffs how would someone update the firmware for their tv :P

[14:14:25]

juski:

simon_c: in hindsight maybe a big USB HDD & mysqldump would've been easier

[14:14:34]

juski:

Ruleke: HDMI

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Ruleke:

seems I'm hit with 2 bugs in the tv firmware that are resolved in a later fw

[14:14:58]

juski:

HDMI, DVI or USB :)

[14:15:05]

juski:

get the engineer out

[14:15:09]

Ruleke:

I think it's serial actually

[14:15:15]

juski:

or that

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Ruleke:

engineer eh ?

[14:15:43]

juski:

I saw something recently where a company is sending people out to upgrade thousands of sets.. think it was Sony

[14:16:20]

juski:

Ruleke: if you're covered by warranty maybe they'll come & sort it out

[14:16:32]

Ruleke:

make that 3 bugs

[14:16:41]

Ruleke:

smasung says it isn't afaict

[14:16:47]

Ruleke:

but I'll test

[14:17:06]

simon_c:

juski: I've still got the programs on the original system, but I just wanted some of them on the laptop for the kids to watch in the car.

[14:18:02]

simon_c:

juski: but figuring out the SQL to dump all the recording info for specific programs would be as hard as figuring out how to import the XML. I could do it, but it would take more time than I have.

[14:18:11]

simon_c:

Unless there's any pre-existing scripts I just need to hack around with.

[14:18:17]

juski:

simon_c: nuvexport :)

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, definitely not

[14:19:04]

juski:

nuvexport can export files & sql to use directly from its easy to use menus :)

[14:19:13]

** simon_c thinks **

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, and even if you DO have loads of free space, there are better things to do with it

[14:19:44]

planktonboy:

sure

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simon_c:

juski: Ahh yes. I remember that now. I'll try it.

[14:19:47]

planktonboy:

ok

[14:19:52]

planktonboy:

thanks

[14:21:28]

** simon_c wanders off to experiment **

[14:21:35]

Ruleke:

1. vga 1080p doesn't work, 2. image enhancing feature is auto-enabled on resolution-change, even if I turned it off, 3. 1080p24 isn't included in the EDID info

[14:21:36]

Ruleke:

bah

[14:21:47]

Ruleke:

it can never be just "perfect", can it

[14:22:41]

Ruleke:

I don't care about the vga thing though

[14:22:44]

Dagmar:

WOW

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Dagmar:

You have EDID that even mentions 1080 modes?

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Dagmar:

That's _awesome_

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Ruleke:

yeah

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directhex|work:

good lord!

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Ruleke:

that one is also trivial to fix ;)

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directhex|work:

i've never heard of EDID on a teevee including >XGA

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TSCHAKWerk:

which unit is this?

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Ruleke:

just annoys me that these are all known problems, but no way for me to flash it to fix them

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Ruleke:

samsung LE46M87BD

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directhex|work:

Ruleke, you're a user. the engineers know best!#

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Ruleke:

engineers know shit when you talk to them

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Ruleke:

must be just trained monkey tv delivery men

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Ruleke:

some samsung techies understood at least

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planktonboy:

Ruleke, you got the 46 tv then

[14:25:18]

Ruleke:

but they never heard of an engineer going out to flash it

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Ruleke:

yah

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planktonboy:

I remember you saying a while back

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Ruleke:

yeah it's really good so far ;)

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planktonboy:

I ended up getting the LE40M86BD

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Ruleke:

It's the same technology but smaller

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Ruleke:

same bugs too

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planktonboy:

yes, very nice tv

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planktonboy:

Im using mine over DVI

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** TSCHAKWerk puts on some grandmaster flash **

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planktonboy:

I dont really understand those 1080i/p settings

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Ruleke:

what do you mean

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planktonboy:

I just set mine up DVI from nvidia 7600GS to HDMI on TV

[14:28:15]

Ruleke:

yeah

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planktonboy:

and used Option TVStandard 1080p in xorg

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planktonboy:

and set the tv mode to Just Scan in the menu

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Ruleke:

yep

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Ruleke:

sounds good

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Ruleke:

1:1 mapping

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TSCHAKWerk:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Westinghouse_SK-26H240S <-- that's my xorg config

[14:29:45]

juski:

teeheee.. hometime

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planktonboy:

so the info button on the tv remote shows 1920x1080 @60hz

[14:29:49]

gbee:

heh, not sure it's much use but mythuitext has the ability to does the same pulse as images and also cycle text colour

[14:29:58]

juski:

gbee: ugh!

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directhex|work:

gbee, does it use 100% cpu?

[14:30:15]

juski:

cycle text colour? does mythtv run on a ZX spectrum now?

[14:30:16]

planktonboy:

but when I play back a recording from mythbox it says in video mode interlaced

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gbee:

directhex|work: probably – can't be bothered to test it

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kslater:

planktonboy: do you have any 1080p recordings?

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kslater:

or mabye 720p (more likely)

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planktonboy:

kslater no

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planktonboy:

I guess the only way is to download some

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Ruleke:

I've got in on the cable, but can't play em back :(

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Ruleke:

h264 takes too much cpu

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planktonboy:

might think of getting sky hd sometime, maybe

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planktonboy:

just freeview here

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planktonboy:

but need to get a better aerial too

[14:32:58]

gbee:

colorcycle – start, end, steps

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Ruleke:

at least the STB works for HD :)

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gbee:

wonder if Dagmar knows of the colorcycle – imagine it would be pretty useful for his theme

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Ruleke:

the startrek stuff

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gbee:

the examples he showed had text cycling between orange and white

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gbee:

I think he was planning on mimicking it with an animation instead

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planktonboy:

seem to be having a bit of a prob with ripping some dvds

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planktonboy:

gets about half way through or sometimes nearly to the end and then just stops and says nothing to do

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directhex|work:

which ones?

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planktonboy:

Error: DVDISOCopyThread dvd device read error

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planktonboy:

just trying Lord of the Rings

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planktonboy:

did one successfully

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directhex|work:

ought to be fine

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planktonboy:

but second one not working

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planktonboy:

trying again

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planktonboy:

nope didnt work again. Is there any size limitation for DVD rips to iso

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planktonboy:

it gets right to the very end on this DVD and then just errors

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directhex|work:

only on FAT32 or very old EXT2

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planktonboy:

jfs here

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chuk:

bad disc?

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directhex|work:

try this: "aptitude install vobcopy; vobcopy -l"

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planktonboy:

possibly, but its an original

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planktonboy:

hardly used

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chuk:

some of my discs have trouble reading at the end

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planktonboy:

ok

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chuk:

esp really full ones

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planktonboy:

yeah could be

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planktonboy:

chuk have had that before on other copying attempts

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planktonboy:

directhex, thanks, that looks interesting

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planktonboy:

hehe

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directhex|work:

if vobcopy can extract the main title, it suggests a physical issue with the pressing rather than a deliberate error with the mastering

[15:07:52]

planktonboy:

its copying a 7233MB file into my home dir

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

directhex|work yeah it has extracted the title ok

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, disc issue then. not a lot you can do about that if using a naive iso extractor

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planktonboy:

will just leave it for a few mins to finish

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, there are a number of infinitely smarter apps for windows which can deal with issues in the source dvd

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planktonboy:

directhex, ok mate....its not too much of an issue, as I was really just trying to test out this setup of myth to see what was working and what wasn't

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rn114:

i'm seeing warnings of this type in the backend logs: [mpegts @ 0xb7551fd0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211 !

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rn114:

subsequently recordings appear in the database of size -1 or 0

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mariominati:

was your dvd cpy protected?

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rn114:

stream length is being reported as 0: start_time: 3008.213 duration: -9223372036854.775

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directhex|work:

rn114, MHEG ?

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rn114:

which is presumably the problem

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rn114:

ah i suppose there could well be mheg

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rn114:

this is off a dvb-c card

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fulhack:

Where does mythtv place recorded TV & can I put AVI files in there?

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juski:

dvb-c doesn't have mheg

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directhex|work:

fulhack, wherever your disto says so, and no

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planktonboy:

mariominati, yes, but it ripped a legit version of the first Lord of the Rings ok

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rn114:

juski, are you sure? how is interactive implemented then?

[15:13:35]

juski:

rn114: not mheg

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directhex|work:

fulhack, you can install mythvideo and put arbitrary movies elsewhere

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juski:

and if you're in the UK, you're not allowed to use dvb-c cards!

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rn114:

juski, ok, would these incorrect stream lengths be the cause of the file size problem in the DB do you think?

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rn114:

juski, yeah that seems to be the case for some reason

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juski:

rn114: more than likely. maybe it's down to trying to record encrippled channels

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fulhack:

directhex|work, yeah, I have mythvideo installed, the TV shows I.. find at places.. clutter my movie listings up though. :P I guess I'll have to sort it from within mythvideo :)

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rn114:

juski, i'm sure these channels aren't encrypted though – i can watch them in the clear with mplayer or whatever

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rn114:

juski, this change is since going from svn ~12500 to head

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rn114:

id like to try and hunt down the reason so it can be fixed

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rn114:

(by me)

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juski:

so do a diff & find out if dvbrecorder code has changed & how

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juski:

I dont think anybody here will help you break your cableco's T&Cs

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juski:

they cut people off for less

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juski:

the fact they need all the customers they can get, notwithstanding :)

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rn114:

what like? i'm not particularly doing anything wrong

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juski:

yes you are

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juski:

you've violated their T&Cs

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juski:

contract violation which'd be a civil matter

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rn114:

a bit like them cutting off sky one with no recompense

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juski:

anyway it's likely that a workaround for virgin media's obsfurcation would have to be coded into myth

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gbee:

rn114: yeah, they should have kept Sky One as a premium package and passed on the increased costs to those customers who still wanted it

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rn114:

gbee, yeah tis a shame, really lost the only reason i went for the tv in the first place

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rn114:

sadly we can't really get dvb-t here

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juski:

rn114: you'll be able to eventually

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rn114:

but yeah the BB is very good – up to 20MB now

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juski:

but you're really not allowed to connect your own gear to their cable

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juski:

so they say

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juski:

it's a pity cos their own STBs suck

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juski:

who'd put a network port on a set top box & not slap webpages on there to control it?

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rn114:

juski, yeah i think 2010

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juski:

or to act as a network media player :)

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rn114:

and even then only the one mux

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rn114:

or two maybe

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juski:

rn114: eh?

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juski:

where in the hell do you live?

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rn114:

sorry, the dvb-t switch

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rn114:

http://www.ukfree.tv/shutdowndetail.php?tx=ST769654

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juski:

ffs they've got a cheek

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directhex|work:

juski, ?

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juski:

http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051024

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juski:

they've been keeping that bugger quiet!

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gbee:

hmm, they aren't broadcasting freeview in the Bristol area yet??

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juski:

that's poo of the highest order

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rn114:

yeah, you can get the mendip one anywhere except in this bloody valley

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mariominati:

planktonboy: that was the teaser ;), do you know a way to copy these kind of dvds? (not windows)

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rn114:

we are surrounded on all sides by hills

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juski:

the impression they've been giving everybody in the UK is "don't worry if you can't get digital now, cos when analogue goes, you'll get all of it"

[15:26:22]

juski:

when infact it's bollocks!

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rn114:

yeah very poor, some people have managed to get mendip with very large aerials though

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rn114:

how about if i said the 0/-1 size problem was occuring on ivtv recordings as well

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juski:

what's their excuse for not broadcasting the other muxes?

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directhex|work:

juski, the language of the text makes me doubt its accuracy

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juski:

rn114: I'd say your PC is poop

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MeeKs:

is there a list somewhere for what video formats myth supports?

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rn114:

they don't want to cause interference with other transmitters

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rn114:

the thing is it worked before i upgraded svn, now my db is versioned up, so i really need to pin down the difference here

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juski:

rn114: that's part of the reason for going digital ffs

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directhex|work:

MeeKs, with the internal mythvideo player?

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rn114:

i was stupid and went away for the weekend so my backup is missing all the recordings made since then

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MeeKs:

directhex|work: yes

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juski:

rn114: if ivtv is doing it, I don't think it's a dvb-c problem alone then

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directhex|work:

MeeKs, all of them!

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MeeKs:

im wondering if it will play wmv, .ts .mkv divx h264 etc...

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rn114:

no i guess not

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juski:

rn114: maybe it's more a filesystem issue – how much space have you got on the partition where the db lives?

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rn114:

it did run out of space, but i cleared it up

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rn114:

(the myth log filled up with LiveTV caused JumpTo1)

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juski:

rn114: run mysqlcheck then

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rn114:

there were a couple of problems that i repaired with myisamchk

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directhex|work:

MeeKs, probably not, yes, yes, yes, yes, etc

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gbee:

eugh, really need to fix that JumpTo 1 loop

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rn114:

i'll check again in 2 minutes when my latest test recording terminates

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directhex|work:

MeeKs, and you're confusing codecs with containers

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MeeKs:

lol true

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rn114:

gbee, when i've got this fixed i'll contact you if you need any help getting it sorted

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rn114:

would be nice to do so

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directhex|work:

MeeKs, if ffmpeg understands it, Internal should be able to give it a shot

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MeeKs:

cool

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rn114:

yeah db checks out ok

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MeeKs:

i should be getting my myth box in an hour or so

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planktonboy:

dircthex, would that vobcopy ripper have altered the read speed of the DVDROM

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juski:

bump!

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, no

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planktonboy:

ok

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, but it's a different thing to copying an iso. not least because of it removing the copy protection, and accessing the actual data in the filesystem

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gbee:

rn114: aside from preventing us entering an endless loop, I'm not sure if I'll be able to fix the route cause – mainly because neither Isaac or Daniel has yet figured it out and they know a lot more about that area of the code than I do

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gbee:

s/route/root/

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planktonboy:

just s a bit strange, I am trying to burn the last of the LOTR disks from mythDVD the DVDROM seems to be reading it more slowly

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planktonboy:

but maybe more stable

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planktonboy:

directhex, ahh

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planktonboy:

I didnt see what you had written above :)

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juski:

I wish you folks would stop talking about potentially illegal stuff in here

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juski:

it's not legal to back up dvds everywhere in the world

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planktonboy:

juski, interesting point, I hadnt even thought about that :)

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planktonboy:

in fact I think I wont bother with this dvd ripping...thats why I bought them in the first place I guess

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directhex|work:

true. certainly not in .uk

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planktonboy:

oh no I just remembered...they are my brothers dvd's

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jroysdon:

Uhm, by that logic though, you'd have to follow the most restrictive laws, which may not allow you to even legally play a DVD on a PC w/o a licensed player, no?

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planktonboy:

And I didnt give them back to him LOL

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juski:

oh no way. looks like trunk has code in uitypes.cpp to offset the right & left arrows

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juski:

jroysdon: yeah technically

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jroysdon:

Anyway, I don't mean to get into the politics/legal stuff. Question about MythTV hardware

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jroysdon:

Hey, I just tried out MythDora4.0 on my MCE system – everything works great, except the tuner card itself doesn't appear to show anything (just a bit of white pixel pops here and there).

[15:41:40]

** juski polishes his halo **

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juski:

everything works great – apart from TV !

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juski:

hahaha

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jroysdon:

It's a iTVC16 CX23416 from lspci.

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jroysdon:

(well I don't know if the card is even supported, I didn't buy it expecting it was, and was going to be a 350 or something if it wasn't... it came bundled with the system)

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juski:

jroysdon: that's not saying an awful lot. plenty of tuner cards use that chip

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jroysdon:

ok, so that's my next question, how to know for sure? It looks like a 150-MCE card from all the ports on it

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juski:

have a good look at it

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juski:

try ivtv drivers with it

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juski:

there'd be some manufacturer's stamp on it somewhere

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juski:

could be a leadtek pvr2000 card.. they don't work in linux

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juski:

could be a pvr250 – they work in linux with the ivtv driver

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jroysdon:

I'm not sure how to go about that (trying ivtv drivers... I think that's what it has though)... the nice thing with MythDora is that it did just about everything for me (and the flash tutuorials are great for the few gotchas I might have run into).

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jroysdon:

I'll pop the card out here in a second. I need to reboot for a kernel update.

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juski:

could be an avermedia '150' card.. not sure if they work or not

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gardengnome:

yes, it did just about everything for you except for making mythtv work ;)

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juski:

it got you as far as 'Myth' :-P

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jroysdon:

gardengnome- well, I don't actually care about TV

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gardengnome:

juski: heh

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jroysdon:

it plays my music and dvds, that's the main purpose in my house

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juski:

jroysdon: mythtv is way too heavy lifting for just those jobs

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juski:

seriously

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gardengnome:

it's ok if it works for him, i suppose

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directhex|work:

eliza!

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juski:

I love mythtv, but I wouldn't dream of using it if I didn't care about the TV part

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jroysdon:

the only reason I have cable is that it costs the same to have the mini-basic + cablemodem ($15 + $45) vs. just cablemodem service ($60)

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juski:

directhex|work: anything but that shite, too

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jroysdon:

tv is a time-sucking bandit. Give it up for a year and you'll see what I mean.

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directhex|work:

juski, now you see why the crappy tv support in windows mce doesn't matter – nobody WANTS tv!

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juski:

jroysdon: that's the whole point of mythtv! don't waste your life surfing channels

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juski:

waste your life helping Emo in here instead!

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jroysdon:

juski – no, I have a Tivo when the the DirecTivos came out... removing commercials and timeshifting just meant I watched more shows and stayed up just as late.

[15:47:33]

rn114:

well, i've got a lead now: Error: We started a PES packet, without a payloadStart!

[15:47:36]

rn114:

this'll be fun

[15:47:55]

juski:

rn114: tell VirginMedia to change to a proper DVB spec

[15:48:16]

rn114:

juski, yeah would love to

[15:48:27]

rn114:

i doubt they care – they probably enjoy it tbh

[15:48:37]

juski:

tell them where to shove all the channels we can't get too – I don't wanna see em

[15:50:20]

rn114:

yeah freeview – so much better supported and open

[15:50:27]

directhex|work:

any specific reason?

[15:50:27]

rn114:

i would swap in an instant if i could

[15:50:33]

juski:

directhex|work: it's crap?

[15:50:36]

rn114:

too slow

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rn114:

but then i dont watch live tv anymore so it's a moot point

[15:51:21]

juski:

funnily enough, the argument I spend my time fighting in here – i.e. the 'disable livetv recording' one – I actually would prefer not to record livetv if I used it

[15:52:36]

juski:

if only to keep the channel change time down. I could never see this house going without livetv altogether.. way too unrealistic

[15:53:12]

jroysdon:

(just came back from pulling the card out). I ditched phone service and we just have cell phones. My kids don't know what livetv is when they're here... it's all filtered ;-p

[15:54:03]

juski:

maybe I'd use livetv if it was much cop. maybe if I do start using it I'll turn all the babble debug stuff off about LMS lock & jazz too

[15:54:05]

jroysdon:

This card doesn't give me any info, other than it has all the output/inputs matching a 150-MCE. It has ASUS on the PCB, CONEXANT is the MPEG II encoder (CX23416–22) and Philips is the tuner portion... no other brand names/logos

[15:54:13]

juski:

ah

[15:54:19]

juski:

Asus' pvr150 rip-off

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jroysdon:

good news/bad news?

[15:54:29]

juski:

might work in *new* kernels

[15:54:39]

juski:

cx88-mpeg IIRC

[15:54:40]

jroysdon:

ok, well, I have to power back up to see that test ;-p

[15:54:46]

juski:

not ivtv, IIRC

[15:55:13]

jroysdon:

ah, ok. lemme get the interface back up.

[15:55:26]

jroysdon:

I'm going to get a dual-tuner card anyway, but if I can get a 3rd tuner for free, great

[15:55:39]

jroysdon:

(too many conflicts with shows without a dual-tuner)

[15:55:59]

jroysdon:

not that I care, but the wife and kids don't need to be battling it out about what shows get recorded ;-p

[15:56:04]

juski:

it might be an avermedia M150 actually

[15:56:27]

juski:

M179 I mean. doh

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juski:

http://www.bttv-gallery.de/high/pvr-416a.jpg – that it?

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juski:

wow. look at all these mini-pci cards with cx23416 encoders :)

[16:02:56]

jroysdon:

http://www.bttv-gallery.de/high/pvr-416a.jpg – that is close, but the composit (?) has 3 imputs and the picture only shows 2 on the bottom left.

[16:03:36]

TSCHAKWerk:

is there a wireless pci card that doesn't SUCK?

[16:03:53]

juski:

TSCHAKWerk: nah all wireless sucks :)

[16:03:59]

TSCHAKWerk:

yeah

[16:04:01]

TSCHAKWerk:

yeah yeah

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gardengnome:

TSCHAKWerk: i hear that madwifi devices are pretty nice

[16:04:07]

TSCHAKWerk:

I need one for my htpc

[16:04:10]

juski:

jroysdon: looks like you'll need the cx88-mpeg module

[16:04:13]

Dagmar:

ipw2200 FTW!

[16:04:24]

jroysdon:

ok, good news to know, I hope, juski. I'll give it a try once it comes back up.

[16:04:29]

TSCHAKWerk:

i can not tell which cards are atheros based :-(

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juski:

nobody ever listens. wireless sucks, end of story man

[16:04:42]

Dagmar:

...another good reason to spam that section full of juicy M's

[16:04:56]

jroysdon:

I agree. wired is the way to go for anything that is going to want high-speed (10+mbit)

[16:04:57]

juski:

when you're all dying of brain tumours I promise not to say I told you so, k? :-P

[16:05:13]

jroysdon:

microwaves just make 2.4ghz a total pain

[16:05:40]

jroysdon:

that and neighbors with 4–5 cordless phone bases surrounding your house

[16:05:46]

juski:

rofl

[16:05:52]

juski:

see?

[16:05:53]

jroysdon:

you know, the costco pack

[16:06:03]

TSCHAKWerk:

*sigh*

[16:06:10]

TSCHAKWerk:

always a crap shoot

[16:06:26]

juski:

in a world where YOUR wireless network is the only thing on the band for miles, great!

[16:06:33]

juski:

however in the *real world* ...

[16:06:34]

TSCHAKWerk:

nobody in here uses a pci or usb dongle?

[16:06:51]

TSCHAKWerk:

my only net connection is.....WIRELESS.

[16:07:15]

jroysdon:

ouch

[16:07:36]

** juski wonders whether the lighthouse centre in wolverhampton is all steel or not **

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juski:

or if we're gonna be near an outside door.. we could get teevee in the place

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juski:

worth asking

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jroysdon:

juski – the cx88-mpeg module, what is the "Card type" that is referred to in MythTV Setup?

[16:10:29]

juski:

mpeg2 encoder

[16:10:45]

juski:

but before going anywhere near mythtv, you need to verify the card works!

[16:10:50]

jroysdon:

uhm, already have that selected... MPEG-2 encorder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)

[16:11:01]

jroysdon:

ok, I guess I need a walk-through on how to do that.

[16:11:20]

TSCHAKWerk:

jroysdon: mplayer /dev/video0

[16:11:29]

jroysdon:

nope, tried it last night, I get blank

[16:11:37]

juski:

jroysdon: you prolly need firmware for the card too

[16:11:46]

juski:

which happily is the same as for the ivtv driver :)

[16:11:52]

TSCHAKWerk:

yes you do.

[16:12:05]

jroysdon:

uhm, then I have that already, I suspect

[16:12:39]

juski:

hmmm. can't figure out why I can't specify the L & R arrow locations in the list view

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jroysdon:

lsmod: http://pastebin.ca/522906

[16:13:55]

jroysdon:

btw: mplayer comes up and says it is playing something, but it's just blank... is that normal?

[16:13:59]

juski:

jroysdon: when you modprobe cx88-mpeg, then do a dmesg & see what info it shows at the send

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juski:

s/send/end

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jroysdon:

# modprobe cx88-mpeg

[16:15:08]

jroysdon:

FATAL: Module cx88_mpeg not found. – Do I have the syntax right? I probably just need to get the cx88 stuff..

[16:15:46]

juski:

do modprobe -l | grep cx88

[16:15:54]

juski:

see if the mpeg one is listen

[16:16:00]

juski:

*listed

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juski:

damn my crap typing

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jroysdon:

I don't think so: http://pastebin.ca/522914

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juski:

/lib/modules/2.6.20–1.2944.fc6/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-blackb ird.ko

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juski:

that's the one – not mpeg :)

[16:17:18]

juski:

modprobe cx88-blackbird

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jroysdon:

ah, okies

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juski:

bad memory here

[16:17:40]

** juski prepares to make a patch **

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jroysdon:

# modprobe cx88-blackbird

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jroysdon:

FATAL: Error inserting cx88_blackbird (/lib/modules/2.6.20–1.2944.fc6/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-black bird.ko): No such device

[16:18:29]

vandebo_:

I can't get mythdvd to rip dvd's. When I hit 0 to start the processing (either on perfect, or other quality setting), the 0 button flashes, but nothing else happens. mtd is running and even with -v all, there's nothing interesting in the log

[16:18:48]

jroysdon:

Do I not have that card then, or do I have to unload the other driver first?

[16:19:04]

juski:

jroysdon: maybe need to unload the other driver, or be rooty to load modules :)

[16:19:25]

jroysdon:

I am root. Care to help with what I need to unload? lsmod: http://pastebin.ca/522906

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juski:

ivtv for one

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Dagmar:

jroyson: Hell, unload it all

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Dagmar:

It won't let you unload anything it's using

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jroysdon:

ok, ivtv, tuner, and any cx matches are unloaded – same results trying to load cx88_blackbird – no device

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Dagmar:

Generally this would be a sign you don't have that device

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** jroysdon is just following directions ;-p **

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jroysdon:

ok, best dual-tuner card to purchase? I think there was a haupaung (sp) I was looking at some time ago... I've already got a remote

[16:24:58]

Dagmar:

PVR-500

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jroysdon:

(best meaning most supported, or most likely to continue being supported, heh)

[16:25:04]

juski:

oh christ. I can see now why the ui code doesn't yet allow offsets on the list item arrows

[16:25:26]

juski:

best meaning ONLY supported dual tuner mpeg2 encoding card in linux AFAIK

[16:25:34]

Dagmar:

Yep

[16:25:57]

juski:

the UI code is scaling the fscking left & right arrows

[16:26:05]

juski:

according to the font size

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juski:

wtf?!

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Dagmar:

jroysdon: If it's not supported then some sneaky hackers have been copying recordings to my machine for several months now

[16:26:55]

jroysdon:

lol

[16:27:02]

Dagmar:

juski: I was wondering when you were going to hit that

[16:27:15]

jroysdon:

ok. I just figured if I'm going to buy a card, might as well get one that is well-known to work and get the exact right model ;-p

[16:27:20]

juski:

who the f@@k wrote this?

[16:27:28]

Dagmar:

juski: Sh*t like that is why I am not keen on going to look for where the volume auto-hiding code in MythMusic is

[16:28:00]

jroysdon:

$149 on hauppauge a good deal? I'd rather not deal with eBay problems, etc.

[16:28:15]

juski:

jroysdon: for pvr500? I reckon so

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Dagmar:

jroysdon: Try newegg.com

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Dagmar:

If you dig you can usually find newegg or tigerdirect with them for less than that

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jroysdon:

Yeah, I've used newegg plenty of times, I'll look there. I just don't want to get the wrong model (like the whole 1600 thing that happened with 150s)

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juski:

I think I'll leave this part of the UI code well alone. looks nasty

[16:29:56]

vandebo_:

Anduin: If you're around... mtd -n gives the same results and output... sorry bout that, fell asleep

[16:30:03]

jroysdon:

Is the pvr500 the "best" thing going right now?

[16:30:23]

Dagmar:

Well, if you're using SD broadcast cablestuff then yes

[16:31:03]

jroysdon:

yup, that's all I've got, and don't plan to rent/purchase a cable tuner for hd (I believe that's required to get HD with Comcast, but not sure)

[16:31:22]

juski:

Dagmar: I don't get this

[16:31:40]

juski:

where is uitypes.cpp getting the X&Y location for the left& right arrow from?

[16:31:52]

Dagmar:

It makes it up on the spot

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jroysdon:

newegg is just $10 cheaper... I think I'm better off just going through hauppauge's website in case of any glitches with product

[16:32:03]

Dagmar:

jroysdon: not really.

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Dagmar:

jroysdon: www.ivtvdriver.org is all you're going to need.

[16:32:17]

juski:

Dagmar: why? should I just rip it out & read it from the theme?

[16:32:33]

jroysdon:

okies

[16:32:39]

juski:

ah shit. that'd break video-ui.xml and game-ui.xml among others

[16:33:08]

juski:

you can't make an omelette without slaughtering a few unborn chickens, so they say

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juski:

jees. and this is just to pull a damn arrow up by a few pixels!

[16:33:45]

Dagmar:

juski: The smartish thing to do would be to bump the arrow up against the perimeter of that cell, suitably centered

[16:34:19]

jroysdon:

N82E16815116628

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jroysdon:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16815116628

[16:34:30]

Dagmar:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116628 <-- yep that's it

[16:34:35]

jroysdon:

okies, cool

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Dagmar:

juski: I think they were trying to scale it so that it would kinda/sorta match the size of the characters

[16:35:15]

Dagmar:

...but frankly I don't think it should be done like that anyway

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juski:

nor do I, but it's gonna break a lot if I change it

[16:36:02]

jroysdon:

Anyone else using MythDora, or everyone here using their own flavor?

[16:36:26]

Dagmar:

I'm using licorice.

[16:36:31]

kormoc:

jroysdon, huh? their own flavor?

[16:36:45]

jroysdon:

(I'm just curious, as other than the card, everything just worked out of the box and was very simple for a power user – considering it looks like my pvr card isn't supported).

[16:36:50]

juski:

I use $whatever

[16:37:01]

juski:

$whatever has always served me well :)

[16:37:11]

jroysdon:

I think using MythDora4.0 it took me 30 minutes to install and have it up and working

[16:37:14]

GreyFoxx:

jroysdon: Basically there is likely someone running myth on just about every distro out there :)

[16:37:15]

jroysdon:

(from dvd)

[16:37:29]

GreyFoxx:

I use slackware, many use gentoo/debian and or fedora

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juski:

well, not even at 100DPI are the arrows in the right place

[16:37:33]

GreyFoxx:

and of course all the others

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juski:

sucky sucky

[16:37:40]

jroysdon:

I'm sure there is... I just wanted something fast and easy, and didn't feel like learning mythtv from the ground up.

[16:38:21]

Dagmar:

juski: The only sane thing I could think of to do to change it would be somewnat destructive to any previous mechanisms

[16:38:28]

jroysdon:

(I've been using RH since 5.2). Other than this WinXP MCE PC, I haven't had Windows in my house for... 5+ years. The only reason I didn't wipe the box right away was because it worked, and the 64bit stuff with FC/CentOS wasn't just working

[16:38:40]

juski:

there's nothing that avoids having to run mythtv-setup & go through it all step by step AFAIK

[16:38:42]

jroysdon:

(MythDora is just i386 anyway)

[16:39:06]

Dagmar:

With two configurable options it could be simpler... one for offset from the outer edge and one that's a float from 0 to 1 for what the gravity along the given edge is

[16:39:26]

juski:

lol

[16:39:30]

jroysdon:

mythtv-setup, yes, but it was very, very simple – pick the capture card, feed list, map them together, and done

[16:39:38]

Dagmar:

...but clearly this isn't about simple.

[16:39:41]

juski:

yeah the way it is now the arrows are too heavy

[16:39:42]

jroysdon:

(no compiling, nvidia drivers to setup, etc.)

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juski:

Dagmar: I think I've got it

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juski:

where it's currently y_location – QFontMetrics(tmpfont->face).height() + right_arrow_image.height() / 2,

[16:43:03]

juski:

make it y_location – QFontMetrics(tmpfont->face).height(), instead

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** juski goes to see if this fixes it **

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juski:

I don't think it'd harm to make em offsettable like all the other arrows though

[16:45:56]

Dagmar:

They probably should have all been handled by offsets from the beginning

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Dagmar:

The problem the gravity along the edge you're attaching them to

[16:46:17]

juski:

eh?

[16:46:25]

juski:

what does gravity have to do with owt?

[16:46:45]

Dagmar:

Let's say you have 'em set to be 2px from the right edge, and 15px from the bottom of the cell in the program guide

[16:46:54]

juski:

hmmm

[16:47:00]

Dagmar:

This might look good if the user has configured four channels to show

[16:47:12]

Dagmar:

...but it'll be screwed if they've configured for 3 or 6 channels

[16:47:26]

juski:

yeah but in the managed tree list, there's a set number of items, hard coded in the xml file

[16:47:36]

juski:

so out goes that argument, neatly

[16:48:44]

jroysdon:

thanks for the help, juski, and the pvr purchase selection, Dagmar. ttfn

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Dagmar:

managed tree list?

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Dagmar:

Which XML file should I be lookin' at

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juski:

video-ui.xml

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juski:

managed tree lists – used by mythvideo, mythgame..

[16:50:18]

juski:

mythmusic

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Dagmar:

I was talking about the program guide arrows

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Dagmar:

I hadn't even gotten around to looking at that one yet

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Dagmar:

...and I never saw managedtreelist in mythmusic. That's gotta be newer than 0.20-fixes

[16:52:28]

Dagmar:

Oh wait. hehe. I just never bothered to read that section yet

[16:52:34]

juski:

maybe I'm confuzzled because of the bins

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juski:

er.. no they're there too AFAIK

[16:53:29]

Dagmar:

There's *some* comments in music-ui.xml for blue

[16:54:06]

Dagmar:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . music-ui.xml

[16:54:38]

juski:

with my mod, the arrow at least appears at the top of the select bar

[16:54:58]

juski:

so you could quite easily pad it in your bitmap editor if need be

[16:55:32]

juski:

so we need that mod OR an offset ability, or both

[16:56:05]

juski:

I don't think it'd be hard to put the offset in

[16:57:50]

juski:

or maybe it's just that the maths are a bit wrong

[16:58:30]

juski:

like it's trying to put the image in the middle of the selectbar but not taking the image height into account

[16:58:58]

juski:

let's be sensible here – most theme designers are going to want to centre the arrows right in the middle there

[17:01:52]

juski:

trying minus image height/2 rather than + image height/2

[17:02:09]

juski:

that'd be a nice patch :)

[17:03:49]

juski:

haha nope

[17:04:04]

Dagmar:

This is why I think gravity along the edge would be useful

[17:04:10]

Dagmar:

Just make the default 0.5

[17:04:21]

juski:

it doesn't need it

[17:05:03]

Dagmar:

What if someone wants the arrow in the bottom right corner

[17:05:14]

juski:

they can go to hell?

[17:05:18]

Dagmar:

heh

[17:05:25]

juski:

why would they want to put it there?

[17:05:36]

Dagmar:

I dunno. ...to be avant-garde about it?

[17:05:50]

juski:

I can see your reasoning – I mean 'logical' thinking is what causes this scenario in the 1st place

[17:05:59]

Dagmar:

I was playing with the idea of doing some really weird crap the other day to make the interface look like it was just a ring of icons with a big text label in the middle

[17:06:09]

juski:

oh now

[17:06:14]

juski:

that'd be something

[17:06:17]

Dagmar:

I can do it, but if you thought the mem usage on YORU themes was evil

[17:06:17]

juski:

but you can't do that

[17:06:21]

Dagmar:

Oh yes you can.

[17:06:25]

juski:

how?

[17:06:35]

Dagmar:

Well, for one, you make GIGANTIC icons

[17:06:42]

juski:

you can't easily do arbitrary button locations

[17:06:45]

Dagmar:

Like, that cover the entire area where all the "icons" are supposed to be

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juski:

haha

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juski:

this is why we need a matrix for button locations

[17:07:06]

Dagmar:

As in an icon that covers 3/4 of the screen and has only a tiny little area that is actually not transparent

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juski:

like instead of defining a list, make a matrix to hold 8 or 10 items, and specify x&y coords of the plane they occupy

[17:09:19]

juski:

you could then show that plane in opengl at some arbitrary angle, to give perspective say.. and do simple transforms to spin the items around

[17:09:37]

juski:

like as if they were on a carousel :)

[17:10:06]

juski:

I've been thinking about this way too much

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Dagmar:

I am very good with misdirection in interfaces

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jroysdon:

Two questions: my ogg files play fine, and mythtv shows the volume going up/down when I try to change it, but the volume doesn't actually change. It does change the volume with dvds. Any ideas?

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jroysdon:

Second question: Do Zap2It subscriptions auto-renew? Do you ever have to pay for them?

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Dagmar:

You don't have to pay for them

[17:12:03]

juski:

jroysdon: no and no

[17:12:11]

Dagmar:

The first or second time you'll have to fill out a short questionnaire

[17:12:29]

Dagmar:

After that it's mainly an issue of every three months going and logging in and clicking "Renew mez bish!"

[17:12:31]

jroysdon:

ah, ok. that's what the "expiration" thing is... to leash you in to answering questionnaires, eh?

[17:12:35]

** jroysdon nods **

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Dagmar:

Tiny questionnaires.

[17:12:47]

Dagmar:

Not product-related or anything.

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NewCastleScott:

Hello all,Im having issues with no sound when I try to watch tv then I get a seg.fault and the front end crashes.what info can I provide in order to get some help?

[17:12:52]

Dagmar:

Like, completely reasonable stuff.

[17:13:05]

jroysdon:

not a problem. curious if there is another option that doesn't require this?

[17:13:20]

juski:

Hany Fahim – whoever you are.. thankyou!

[17:13:26]

Dagmar:

Well, there's the option of going withoout.

[17:13:42]

Dagmar:

jroysdon: Seriously man. It's _not_ going to be a problem.

[17:14:00]

Dagmar:

This is coming from someone who is a complete nuclear *asshole* about spam and nosy businesses

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jroysdon:

Dagmar- if I wanted to set it up for my grandparents who are technophobes and just want to watch/record tv, for instance, I'd like a way where they didn't have to deal with it.

[17:14:33]

jroysdon:

(I'm not worried about spam, I have a per-business email aliases system that deals with junk like that)

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Dagmar:

Pftt. You can login every 3 months for them

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chuk2:

mythtv isn't for grandparents

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NewCastleScott:

lol

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jroysdon:

hehee, cept for when I don't have time and their teevee breaks ;-p

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Dagmar:

The questions are stuff like "Do you watch TV?" "Do you need closed captioning because you're deef?"

[17:15:27]

juski:

I might have to start taking users more seriously, in the light of the donations what have rolled in lately (!)

[17:15:44]

Dagmar:

"We couldn't think of a third question. Please pick yes or no at random."

[17:15:53]

juski:

actually no, my themes have had a lot of love lately :)

[17:16:01]

jroysdon:

ah. well, considering they couldn't find out how to burn a dvd when there are two very obvious applications with "DVD" in their start menu and they never "found" them, they're not ... clueful enough to keep up with stuff.

[17:16:13]

** gbee thinks he's in the wrong business **

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juski:

gbee: we all are. we _all_ are.

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masonsjax:

what's a start menu?

[17:17:21]

juski:

gbee: beers are on me at LRL for a bit then :)

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jroysdon:

heh, don't get me started.

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gbee:

juski: heh

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jroysdon:

they're the type that start "the internet" by pushing the webbrowser button on their keyboard, and check their email with the email button

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** juski ponders not telling his wifey about the donations **

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jroysdon:

when the new PC I bought them didn't have this, it took a while to get the icon on the desktop concept down

[17:18:22]

juski:

might keep her quiet..

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Dagmar:

So why are you such a terrible grandson that you couldn't buy them a nice keyboard with those buttons on it?

[17:19:33]

gbee:

I'm interested to see if this clock will work, I've quite literally cut and pasted the whole thing together from existing UI classes because it meant I didn't have to do any thinking

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Seriously? Cool stuff

[17:19:59]

juski:

gbee: a thing I've been guilty of more than once :) why reinvent the wheel? ;)

[17:20:03]

GreyFoxx:

(the donations, not the hiding the donations part) :)

[17:20:08]

** juski is in awe. truly! **

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juski:

just don't make me be nice to all & sundry. it'd kill me

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Adding a UI clock element to the menus ?

[17:20:40]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: yeah

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet

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Dagmar:

gbee: Was that patch you mentioned earlier to 0.20-fixes or head?

[17:21:11]

Dagmar:

I got disconnected by the bloody cablemodem

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juski:

Dagmar: the memory saving one? will apply to either AFAIK

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gbee:

Dagmar: knowing eskil I'd say head – but I've not actually tried applying it yet

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Dagmar:

No the one for making shuffle mode and whatnot images instead of text labels

[17:22:01]

** juski thinks there should be a central mythtv fund to buy devs beers at shows **

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Dagmar:

gbee: Okay, thanks.

[17:22:15]

gbee:

http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/shots/musictheme.png

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GreyFoxx:

juski: hehe

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gbee:

http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/

[17:22:45]

juski:

GreyFoxx: might enourage more to come along in public :P

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GreyFoxx:

One of these times I'll fly over to England and attend on of those LRL shows. I've only ever gone to cablek industry tradeshows, never anything computer specific

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juski:

see thatscreen could really do with the new graphic :)

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gbee:

Dagmar: I'll probably be borrowing the best bits from it for SVN anyway

[17:23:24]

GreyFoxx:

The biggest cost to me really is the hotel, the flights are dirt cheap from here

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juski:

GreyFoxx: no excuse then.. got mine at about £60 GBP a night

[17:23:59]

juski:

or is it even that much? maybe only £45 a night

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gbee:

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Dagmar:

I'm kinda noticing a lack of play/pause/stop buttons there

[17:24:18]

GreyFoxx:

Cool. I've seen flights around $190CDN each way from here

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gbee:

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juski:

£30 a night? arghh

[17:24:22]

Dagmar:

I guess he already killed those off or made 'em optional or something

[17:24:55]

juski:

25.50 per night as it turned out for me :)

[17:25:07]

juski:

£59.94 inc fees

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Dagmar:

fred87: Well, I have all of five or six carts. I know from the GBA that most of htem aren't worth bothering with

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juski:

so same as you gbee :)

[17:26:01]

gbee:

hmm, can't find an email receipt – might have been sent one, surely?

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gbee:

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NewCastleScott:

My myth backens keeps crashing how can I determin the problem?

[17:31:06]

NewCastleScott:

backend**

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gbee:

ahh well, suspect that my spam filter being so very clever assumed that expedia == microsoft == spam

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gbee:

heh, yeah – resent the itinerary to myself and it was flagged with as spam, think that's the first false positive I've ever seen

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gardengnome:

what about the other ones you have missed? :)

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gbee:

well I never saw those ;)

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juski:

expedia is run by MS is it?!

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juski:

OMG so it is!

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slaine_:

Wasn't that the same name as their shite CDROM based encyclopaedia product too ?

[18:05:16]

juski:

no that was Encarta

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** slaine_ shudder **

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juski:

that was spiffy though- using fractal compression to store images.. very nifty

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fysa:

It's not owned by MS anymore.

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Dagmar:

Umm... technically jpeg is fractal based

[18:07:04]

Dagmar:

IFS is a fractal

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juski:

relly? didn't know that

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directhex:

JPEG2000!

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directhex:

wavelets!

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juski:

yummy. low pass filter!

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Dagmar:

juski: ladspa?

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juski:

that said I'd rather have a softer image than nasty blocks

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Dagmar:

Oh

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juski:

is jpeg2000 an open standard?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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juski:

arse pits

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Dagmar:

Second Life had to jump through some hoops to make an open-source client because their images are based on jpeg2000

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fysa:

interesting. considering they stream almost everything, I guess that makes sense.

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gardengnome:

is anyone in here playing second life actually?

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juski:

I don't have a firstlife, so why would I bother with second life? ;)

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slaine_:

rofl

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gardengnome:

that was my point

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** slaine_ could almost hear the "bum tish" **

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gardengnome:

i wonder if youcan have a WoW account *inside* second life

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juski:

make

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juski:

I can see me becoming quite familiar with uitypes.cpp

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Anduin:

juski: did you ever solve the arrow problem?

[18:15:18]

juski:

Anduin: looking at it now

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Anduin:

juski: these were the arrows in video manager?

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xris:

gardengnome: are you aware that the Linden folks cringe every time someone says "play second life" or calls it "a game"?

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juski:

all the arrows in managed tree lists

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juski:

xris: that sounds scarily cultish

[18:16:09]

** xris encourages people to play second life.. it contributes to my paycheck (we build all of their servers) **

[18:16:18]

** slaine_ wonders if William Gibson has a second life account **

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xris:

juski: it's "a world" not "a game"

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gardengnome:

xris: while true; do echo "people play second life because it's a game"; done

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xris:

like in Snow Crash.

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juski:

that's what I mean

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juski:

so it's like IRC but with more Emos?

[18:16:53]

xris:

they're pretty cool people, though. we threw a party with them a few weeks back.

[18:16:57]

xris:

juski: yeah.

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juski:

maybe I'd have picked a more fitting name then.. like "Alter Ego" ;)

[18:17:58]

slaine_:

xris, So will that PS3 version interface with Second Life or is that a Third Life

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juski:

slaine_: that's a propriatary sony thing

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kormoc:

xris, gonna be throwing another one at oscon I've heard

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juski:

it's being dubbed 'like' 2nd life

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slaine_:

Right

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xris:

kormoc: ok, see that makes me want to go to oscon even more now.

[18:19:02]

juski:

while true; do yell_at-noobs; done;

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juski:

hmm there's something up with the maths here I'm sure of it

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juski:

got an idea

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juski:

maybe I could just concentrate on making offsets work for l&r arrows then let theme designers deal with it

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Anduin:

juski: So what problem are you actually having with location?

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juski:

Anduin: positioning it accurately & attractively

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juski:

it's basing the position on the image height & the height of the slot – all relative stuff. I want absolute :)

[18:29:43]

juski:

or at least to be able to tweak it without editing the images

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MeeKs:

anyone know the system requirements for a mythtv box to record and view hd content?

[18:30:49]

juski:

MeeKs: not much to record HD. viewing HD.. big CPU, plenty RAM.. see the FAQ!

[18:31:10]

Pikhq:

Anyone know why MythTV would refuse to schedule and record any shows?

[18:31:10]

MeeKs:

at mythtv.org ?

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juski:

MeeKs: the channel faq, first

[18:31:26]

juski:

sheesh

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MeeKs:

oh

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MeeKs:

sorry im new to this room

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Anduin:

Pikhq: crashed tables occasionally

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Pikhq:

Anduin: Any idea what could cause that on a *fresh* MythTV install?. . . Or how I could try and fix it?

[18:34:31]

Anduin:

Pikhq: that is just on possibility, optimize_mythdb.pl (in contrib) is one way to get the tables repairs, mysqlcheck is another

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juski:

four new voids coming up!

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gbee:

yay, working clock

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frink_:

bah

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juski:

argghhh now I'm confuzzled

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frink_:

hey juski

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Pikhq:

Well, mysqlcheck didn't help

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juski:

hey frink_

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juski:

in uitypes.h I can only find a upArrowOffset not upArrowOffset.x() ... guessing I've missed something fundamental

[18:37:47]

kormoc:

MeeKs, just a tip, when new to a room, read the topic and it's links first

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MeeKs:

lol

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juski:

ok. so got _two_ new voids in, copying the style of upArrowOffset

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juski:

erm.. something must grab the arrow offsets from the xml file somewhere..

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gbee:

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7014/clockmy4.png

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juski:

gbee: if you gimme the XML I can add it to all my themes & be first :)

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gbee:

juski: will do once I've decided on the final format :)

[18:43:56]

juski:

wow!

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juski:

had a case problem & gcc showed me!

[18:44:25]

juski:

I put Qpoint & it told me what the candidates were

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xris:

kormoc: aren't you suppoesd to be sleeping?

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kormoc:

xris, in thoery, yes

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juski:

course I'm not sure why I'm even bothering with this since my themes won't be put right with it til 0.21 :)

[18:46:18]

juski:

unless I backport it to -fixes.. hrm.. assuming it even works without causing ww3 I mean

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** gbee adds the date as well as the time **

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juski:

oh jees. changed uitypes.h & now it's gorn orf & is recompiling a whole slew

[18:49:22]

gbee:

juski: heh, yeah – touch the headers and your asking for trouble

[18:49:26]

gbee:

you're

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juski:

come on 800mhz!

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juski:

you know how I was talking about getting some remotes done? www.juski.co.uk/remote.png

[18:53:52]

juski:

oh ffs.. sports API for mythtv? they're having a larf!

[18:54:33]

jarle:

any dvb-s cards that have good diseqc support in the linux-driver?

[18:54:59]

juski:

HCWMLOMFM ? (how can we make lots of money from mythtv?)

[18:55:10]

juski:

jarle: www.linuxtv.org – the wiki there

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juski:

gbee: nice screenshot. it just finished loading here

[18:55:34]

gbee:

rofl

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Pikhq:

*sigh*

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gbee:

site is a little slow

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juski:

glad I have me own webspace :)

[18:56:38]

** juski works out his hourly rate... **

[18:57:00]

juski:

whoah about $0.10 an hour. maybe even less

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jarle:

juski: that's where I'm comming from, not much info about diseqc support there, only some cards with little or no diseqc support (like the new HVR4000 card..

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juski:

jarle: I expect they'd tell you the same in #linuxtv

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juski:

gbee: kidding?

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Anduin:

gbee: That fine tune font setting bjm added doesn't help?

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juski:

gbee: I'd advocate just setting it in base.xml – define the xml like <clock><position>x,y</position><font>Arial</font>& lt;size>42</size><color>#888888</color></clock>

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gbee:

juski: that's where it is :)

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juski:

and define the fonts as such too :)

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juski:

dont think there's much call for font inheritance in base.xml yet

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gbee:

although I was using the predefined fonts – but the largest 'title' is a little small

[19:05:55]

juski:

woo my changes compiled okay

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gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/523298 < as it currently stands

[19:06:58]

gbee:

but not it's final form – I'm still messing about with it

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juski:

ah bum! it's not getting the offsets for the arrows from the xml file yet

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juski:

nope. I'm stuck

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juski:

Anduin: the list view in mythvideo IS using UIManagedTreeListType isn't it?

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Anduin:

juski: For the non-video manager list, yes

[19:23:40]

juski:

thought so

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gbee:

<location> etc?

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Anduin:

juski: location attributes

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gbee:

xmlparse.cpp

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juski:

ah

[19:26:48]

juski:

so I'm going to need to change mythvideo to read the L & R arrows' locations

[19:27:16]

Anduin:

juski: you mean the arrows in browse mode?

[19:27:34]

juski:

I mean the arrows in www.juski.co.uk/listy.png

[19:27:40]

gbee:

juski: at least I think that's what your after – this stuff is all over the place

[19:27:45]

gbee:

void XMLParse::parseManagedTreeList < Could be it?

[19:27:59]

juski:

gbee: sounds like it

[19:28:04]

juski:

gawd what's it doing there?

[19:28:40]

Anduin:

That is it, I don't see what problem there is though, that location will be a scaled point at the top left of your arrow image

[19:29:10]

juski:

Anduin: I don't want the top left of the arrow image to come in half way down the selectbar

[19:29:17]

Anduin:

juski: let me guess, you didn't call your image uparrow-reg?

[19:29:30]

juski:

eh?

[19:29:46]

juski:

hang on I'll get an _actual_ screen shot of the arrows I mean & highlight em

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gbee:

heh, there was an American Pie 5? Either I had my head in the sand, or it went straight to video?

[19:30:21]

juski:

STV :)

[19:31:26]

slaine_:

juski, Is it possible to have the list item's font change color once it's highlighted ? would make it a little more readable

[19:31:35]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/duh.png

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Anduin:

xmlparse.cpp makes you want to hurt people

[19:31:51]

juski:

slaine_: you don't need that. the highlight/select bars do that

[19:32:06]

juski:

but yeah you can change the colour

[19:32:20]

juski:

white on blue is very intelligible IMHO

[19:32:26]

Anduin:

juski: Ah, now I see why you keep talking about L & R

[19:32:32]

juski:

left & right :)

[19:32:38]

slaine_:

Cool, was just that in the listy.png link above, Airplane was selected, but the font was the same light blue (on a blue backgrond)

[19:32:44]

jams:

yeah those l/r arrows are a bitch

[19:32:59]

** juski goes to dig in xmlparse.cpp then **

[19:33:08]

Anduin:

juski: Yeah, I got what they meant, just couldn't picture any LR arrow that wasn't in browse

[19:33:25]

juski:

where's xmlparse?

[19:33:52]

juski:

got it!

[19:35:10]

juski:

so – comparing downarrow & leftarrow.. oh bugger

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juski:

my brain hurts!

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juski:

here goes make again

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Anduin:

juski: at least now it is clear

[19:43:16]

juski:

gonna be a fscking miracle if this works

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rhesus:

thanks.

[19:43:31]

juski:

xmlparse.cpp:2714: error: expected primary-expression before âelseâ

[19:44:07]

jams:

rhesus- currently it's for one dvd drive

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rhesus:

oki thx.

[19:44:39]

juski:

I've either got a brace too many or too few. where's me highlighter?

[19:45:01]

gardengnome:

:set syntax on

[19:45:21]

planktonboy:

off out for some beers

[19:45:26]

planktonboy:

later chaps :)

[19:45:34]

Anduin:

:syn on

[19:45:37]

Anduin:

less typing

[19:45:51]

juski:

that's a vi-ism

[19:45:59]

Anduin:

everyone uses vim

[19:46:08]

gardengnome:

what do you use?

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Anduin:

emacs

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Anduin:

juski: You are modifying uitypes.cpp ~3619?

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juski:

Anduin: I've been in there

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juski:

in xmlparse.cpp now

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Anduin:

juski: Ok, because location isn't used for left/right arrows

[19:48:36]

juski:

it's not used cos you can't specify it

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gardengnome:

juski: BTW, the dbox2 is gonna be put to some use. the cable company is giving me two months of their full service for free (excluding their HD offerings) :))

[19:50:18]

juski:

Anduin: I made mine this: http://pastebin.ca/523419

[19:50:38]

juski:

Anduin: but it's not having any effect because xmlparse.cpp is ignoring the location tag

[19:53:26]

Anduin:

juski: Yeah, you will need to mirror the setUpArrowOffset function for your new offsets

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juski:

which I have done

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juski:

I just need to fix xmlparse.cpp

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simon_c:

juski: nuvexport seems to do what I want. Thanks.

[19:56:42]

juski:

svn revert libs/libmyth/xmlparse.cpp

[20:00:40]

juski:

this time...

[20:00:47]

juski:

error: âleftArrowPointâ was not declared in this scope

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juski:

case again

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juski:

wow. to offset 2 little iddy biddy arrows I've had to edit 4 files & become very confused

[20:04:56]

juski:

roflmao. still doesn't work! builds fine but doesn't work!

[20:05:04]

Anduin:

juski: The real hard part will be convincing someone that is a good use of location

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juski:

huh?

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juski:

I've tried each & every way to get them to align with the centre of the select bar.. it's not going on

[20:10:52]

Pogonip:

Somehow I have two installs of MythTV, can someone help me remove one?

[20:11:06]

gardengnome:

"somehow"?

[20:11:14]

juski:

the other items can be moved about so why not these arrows? can't see a good argument for not humouring me here :)

[20:11:57]

Pogonip:

Had a working version and then downloaded SVN and did some work. I must have done a make install on SVN version

[20:13:02]

** juski has a break **

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Pogonip:

Ever since I compiled SVN I get two different results. If I run Mythtv from my Icon I get my old version, if I run Mythtv via console I get the new one.

[20:15:15]

juski:

Pogonip: /usr/local vs /usr :)

[20:17:15]

juski:

so how the heck have my 30 or so lines of code been rendered totally useless? heh

[20:18:41]

gbee:

Pogonip: sounds like you still have the packaged version installed – probably best to uninstall it so it doesn't cause you problems in the future

[20:19:30]

Pogonip:

I was hoping I didn't have to, but I think it's best.

[20:19:43]

gbee:

apt-get remove mythtv; urpme mythtv; smart remove mythtv; etc

[20:19:55]

juski:

Anduin: would you mind taking a look at this please? http://pastebin.ca/523499

[20:20:02]

juski:

or anyone really :)

[20:20:32]

Pogonip:

I'm guessing I have to do this as root?

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jams:

Pogonip thats a good bet

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** juski resists the urge to yell at the *uninvited* private msg sender **

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gbee:

Pogonip: best actually use whatever package installer/installer is used by your distro and the correct package name

[20:25:33]

Pogonip:

Done deal. I used Fedora package manager to remove the installed version.

[20:26:42]

gbee:

ffs, why is the value assigned to a member variable in the constructor overriding the one in a member function?

[20:26:59]

juski:

er.. just because? ;)

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** juski runs away, ashamed of his ignorance... should prolly just stick to drawing pretty pictures **

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gbee:

or more correctly, why is the value assigned in the function not being assigned ...

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Anduin:

juski: where do you call setArrowOffset?

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juski:

Anduin: er..

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Anduin:

(sorry was afk)

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juski:

I don't

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juski:

infact nobody doesn in uitypes.cpp

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Anduin:

Yeah, so you are doing everything short of actually making it work.

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juski:

so this must mean that you can't offset the up & down arrows either

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Anduin:

juski: sorry set(Left|Right)ArrowOffset

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Anduin:

juski: Not at all

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juski:

ah

[20:33:29]

juski:

the whole svn diff is in the pasteybin

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Anduin:

juski: Yes juski I know! I'm just telling you why it doesn't work :)

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Anduin:

juski: see down below where it does mtl->setDownArrowOffset? You need to to the same for your new offsets.

[20:34:59]

juski:

ah

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juski:

in xmlparse.cpp ?

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Anduin:

juski: Yes

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juski:

I remember making a mental note of that

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Anduin:

mental notes don't compile, learning that is the hardest part of coding

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juski:

heheh

[20:36:21]

Anduin:

on the bright side, short compiler after fixing

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juski:

imagine what I'm gonna be like when I get going on the other stuff I'd love to do!

[20:37:50]

juski:

maybe by the time that happens I'll know something about coding :)

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Anduin:

Oh your ambition will be beaten out of you

[20:38:14]

juski:

I get distracted by other things more easily than I give up

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juski:

it looks like a beastie

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juski:

was there no qt xml parser library?

[20:40:07]

juski:

yes!

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juski:

thanks Anduin :)

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Anduin:

juski: That is using it

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juski:

ouch!

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** juski does the "got another tiny bit of code working" dance **

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Anduin:

juski: Yeah, thus the QDomElement, it always looks ugly though (not really a function of the library)

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juski:

it works.. yay!

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Anduin:

juski: the duplication of effort in xmlparse.cpp is one of its greatest crimes, scale a point, don't mind if I do, every single time

[20:43:09]

juski:

talk about slowing down the UI

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Anduin:

juski: not really slow, just prone to error

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juski:

has to be done somewhere I spose

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Anduin:

gbee: in anything existing?

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juski:

cheers for pointing out my schoolboy error Anduin ... really appreciate that :)

[20:45:30]

gbee:

Anduin: no, but it's a subclass of MythUIType – not much different from MythUIText

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gbee:

the function in question is ParseElements – where m_Format = getFirstText(element);

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juski:

so umm.. here goes nothing

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gbee:

and if I printf m_Format within ParseElements it holds the correct value, but everywhere else it uses the default value assigned in the constructor (or it's empty if that is removed)

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Anduin:

gbee: not accidentally shadowing? (either that or bad/not the same instance) would explain it

[20:53:09]

xris:

hmm, silverstone lc-11 still looks pretty nice...

[20:53:21]

xris:

even has 3 expansion slots.. and can get a pci-e riser.

[20:53:52]

juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3528

[20:54:18]

juski:

right – I should go buy some bread for tomorrow's sandwiches

[20:57:39]

juski:

or not – we have bread in the freezer.

[20:57:42]

juski:

aaand relax

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sphery:

juski: Nice. That's been catching my eye for quite some time now.

[21:02:07]

juski:

sphery: I've bust my guts trying to fix it in the themes for I dunno how long

[21:02:31]

juski:

and I don't think I've ever seen a theme where it looks right anyway

[21:02:37]

Anduin:

calling the attribute location still sucks though

[21:02:39]

sphery:

I never got around to attempting to fix it. I just figured I chose a bad theme...

[21:02:40]

juski:

hopefully that'll be one less niggle

[21:02:47]

juski:

Anduin: so i can call it offset

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juski:

Anduin: would you feel better about that?>

[21:03:01]

Anduin:

juski: Yes

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juski:

Anduin: in that case, it's not just the left & right arrows needing a change ;)

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Anduin:

juski: where else is location used like that? (just curious, not challenging)

[21:04:18]

juski:

mmm.. from memory, select bars in some places.. up/down arrows....

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grndslm:

any particular reason i'd wanna use mpeg-2 TS over PS ?? would it be beneficial if frontend and backend are separated?

[21:04:47]

sphery:

grndslm: What version of Myth?

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juski:

Anduin: there are a few places which use location but it's actuallt relative co-ords you're giving it

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grndslm:

sphery: 0.20, whatever comes with feisty

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sphery:

And you have an option?

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juski:

Anduin: infact! just about anywhere you see location="$small,$small" :)

[21:05:30]

sphery:

What capture card?

[21:05:31]

Anduin:

juski: ah, well then, no reason not to make yet another

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juski:

Anduin: for sanity's sakes, maybe make a note in the source to change it to 'offset' during say, conversion to mythui ?

[21:06:34]

Anduin:

juski: Yeah, like that will happen :)

[21:07:03]

juski:

yeah I know it's the topmost atom on the tip of the iceberg ;)

[21:07:39]

juski:

anyway I don't think I'd want to be responsible for singlehandedly breaking every theme

[21:07:51]

juski:

not just yet anyway :)

[21:08:02]

grndslm:

sphery: pvr-500

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sphery:

grndslm: Anyway, if you're talking about the PVR-x50's, you don't want TS.

[21:08:08]

grndslm:

ok

[21:08:09]

gbee:

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/1264/clock2yz5.png

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232412#232412

[21:08:36]

grndslm:

thanks a bunch for the tip, sphery!

[21:08:38]

juski:

gbee: :D

[21:08:45]

sphery:

gbee: Like it.

[21:09:02]

sphery:

But your clock is 5 hours off. :)

[21:09:24]

juski:

sphery: <clock offset>random</clock offset>

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sphery:

I take it gbee's on the east side of the pond, too...

[21:10:07]

juski:

I heard some guff today about how Tivo has an animated menu background

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jams:

gbee- very nice

[21:10:18]

juski:

and how it has date related themes (!)..

[21:10:22]

gbee:

sure juski will do something better with the positioning, but otherwise it works well except that the update rate is currently set at a second

[21:10:46]

juski:

reminded me that I still need to do a xmas theme etc

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gbee:

juski: christmas trees on blootube around Dec 25th?

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jams:

hehe leafers II

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juski:

gbee: can you put some justification on the clock text?

[21:11:17]

juski:

jams: for halloween?

[21:11:18]

juski:

;)

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gbee:

juski: yeah

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juski:

gbee: or is it like any other text were you can justify it as you like anyway?

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jams:

not for me

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juski:

mmm what other things about the UI have been bugging me lately? I mean apart from it missing animation classes..

[21:12:56]

gbee:

juski: at the moment it's a cutdown textarea, so it has the justification capabilities

[21:13:27]

juski:

gbee: I think leave that as is :) most versatile.. course that depends on what HWMBO says ;)

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DaveMorris:

I've got a question about mythmusic. I've got over 4k songs and it can't seem to load them all, is this common or something wrong on my side?

[21:14:05]

gbee:

I might yet subclass MythUIText and therefore retained all the textarea capabilties

[21:14:06]

juski:

DaveMorris: it's leaving the brotherhood of man & will smith albums out on purpose ;)

[21:14:23]

gbee:

Dagmar: what version of myth?

[21:14:24]

DaveMorris:

nah, its leaving my RHCP albums off and leaving those in

[21:14:47]

juski:

it's ok- you only need one of them

[21:15:15]

sphery:

DaveMorris: You're using 0.20-fixes, right? The new MythMusic in SVN trunk would probably handle them...

[21:15:23]

juski:

or is that – you only need one track off the last album?.. hmm

[21:15:26]

sphery:

(didn't you write that, gbee?)

[21:15:41]

juski:

4000 songs isn't that much

[21:15:42]

DaveMorris:

but I can't seem to find a bug tracking section for mythtv

[21:15:42]

DaveMorris:

sphery yeah I'm using 0.20 on ubuntu

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sphery:

There was a major rewrite (by gbee, IIRC) of that code in SVN trunk.

[21:16:30]

gbee:

sphery: yeah I completely rewrote the scanning code in trunk – for mp3s particularly it's _much_ faster and some other bugs probably got wiped out along the way

[21:16:41]

sphery:

I'm not necessarily suggesting you upgrade, but if nothing else, you have hope...

[21:17:03]

DaveMorris:

ok cheers

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gbee:

but then I didn't try scanning with 4000 files, mainly because I don't have that many ;)

[21:17:13]

DaveMorris:

and bug tracking for mythtv?

[21:17:21]

gbee:

svn.mythtv.org

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juski:

got well over 4000 tracks here.. no problems

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** DaveMorris suggest its linked clearer or added to mythtv.org **

[21:18:20]

juski:

DaveMorris: eh? and have users report bugs that aren't bugs every 10 secs? ouchy

[21:18:52]

gbee:

DaveMorris: it will be when the site redesign is finished, but then equally we close enough duff tickets each week, maybe we shouldn't be inviting more ;)

[21:18:56]

sphery:

Yeah. At least with it "hidden" we only have those about once every 5 minutes... :)

[21:18:58]

DaveMorris:

well, I've getting involved with supporting myth on ubuntu now so I may have a few bugs to raise upstream

[21:19:15]

juski:

DaveMorris: don't fancy your job much

[21:19:50]

juski:

"how do I list a directory again?" ;)

[21:19:54]

DaveMorris:

hehe

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Anduin:

I'm going to submit a bug about site design if the bug page is on the main page

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gbee:

Anduin: if it _is_ on the main page, then I'm going to push harder to get a user registration plugin installed for trac

[21:22:46]

Anduin:

gbee: Chutt seemed very willing to allow someone to futz with it

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juski:

still reeling from hearing about XBMC being ported to linux

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gbee:

that a good or bad thing?

[21:24:09]

juski:

very very good thing

[21:24:48]

juski:

xbmc is easily the best media player out there IMHO – has its faults sure but it puts eveything else I've seen, past or present – to shame

[21:25:09]

simon_c:

blehh. nuvexport dies on my when it hits one of my symlinks.

[21:25:34]

simon_c:

"Couldn't hard link specified .nuv file: Invalid cross-device link"

[21:25:41]

gbee:

juski: http://pastebin.ca/523694

[21:26:02]

simon_c:

this is when I'm doing a nuvexport of type .nuv + .sql

[21:26:16]

simon_c:

anyone any ideas if this can be done at all ?

[21:26:17]

juski:

gbee: cheers!

[21:26:36]

gbee:

actually might as well paste the whole base.xml for context http://pastebin.ca/523698

[21:26:44]

juski:

er.. hang on XBMC linux port guys.. "MAJOR – HIGH PRIORITY] MPlayer porting to Linux"

[21:28:31]

gbee:

really the only bits which differ from a textarea are the color and format elements, the color is redundant so I might even scrap that

[21:30:05]

juski:

oh wow. they're planning for the xbmc linux port to be a distro affair

[21:30:12]

juski:

on in < 15 secs

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GreyFoxx:

YEah, it can be either

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GreyFoxx:

distro or an app

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GreyFoxx:

I'm setting up a vm/dev environment to check it out :)

[21:30:51]

juski:

GreyFoxx: minimyth isn't far off being a 100MB executable file

[21:31:09]

simon_c:

Hurumph. The .sql files it's exported contain jiunk too. (USE mythconverg followed by some ; )

[21:31:19]

juski:

just takes a bit more than 10 secs to get up to X

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GreyFoxx:

I think having a xbmc frontend to a mythbackend would be sweet

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simon_c:

Is there anyone about who knows much about nuvexport ?

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juski:

gbee: so far so good :)

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gbee:

juski: not sure what may change before it's committed – I did want to at least leave the possibility of image-based clocks, but that might just be more trouble than it's really worth

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juski:

gbee: might not be too hard once you figure out how to draw the clock with qt lines

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gbee:

anyway, enough about that

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juski:

I'll supply the face graphics no problem :-P

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juski:

ahem

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janneg:

juski: do you have an url for that? I'll show it the mplayer devs tomorrow

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juski:

http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/wiki/?title=Linux_port_project

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juski:

anyway.. been one heck of a day.. g'night all

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Krazylegz:

If anyone is interested: http://www.compuplus.com/insidepage.php3?sid= . . . p;id=1005129

[21:40:06]

Krazylegz:

I got one a few weeks ago and I love it.

[21:40:19]

Krazylegz:

But I paid a few bucks more at Amazon.

[21:42:17]

gbee:

juski: ever played with the text shadow stuff?

[21:45:58]

gbee:

tis funky if you like that sort of thing

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gbee:

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/1671/shadowvo5.png

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gbee:

looks better with a decent offset and #333333

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** gbee goes drop shadow crazy **

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xris:

Krazylegz: not a bad price

[21:52:24]

** xris still hopes to find the name of that htpc store he was looking for **

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Krazylegz:

xris: Your company ever going to sell Mythboxen?

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xris:

Krazylegz: doubtful

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xris:

not enough interest to be profitable

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simon_c:

Hi All, does anyone know of any scripts to do batch importing of programs exported as a native archive with mytharchive ?

[21:53:38]

xris:

too many people balk at paying $500–600 for *parts* let alone having to account for our R&D time, assembly, support costs, etc.

[21:53:51]

Krazylegz:

True.

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Krazylegz:

Well you can use kormoc for cheap labor.

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xris:

heh

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xris:

he already works too much

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xris:

he and I *were* going to try to come up with a couple of good part lists for mythboxes, though.

[21:55:01]

xris:

and put them on the wiki or something

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xris:

I want to at least put up a list of stores.

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xris:

I know there must be more than pcalchemy, newegg, directron...

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xris:

I remember someone pasting a link in here a few days ago to what looked like a good one, but I can't find it (I'm shopping for a new case)

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Krazylegz:

More than Newegg? Unnecessary. :-)

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russellb:

TigerDirect

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xris:

tiger rapes you on shipping fees (granted, newegg isn't much better)

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xris:

I just hear too many bad things about td.

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russellb:

ahh, haven't ordered from there in a long while

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Krazylegz:

They advertise in Skymall and that frightens me.

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russellb:

Krazylegz: lol

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russellb:

If you're so busy that you have to do your shopping on skymall, that's just depressing

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Krazylegz:

Well they do.

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Krazylegz:

Eh, I've been on planes lately.

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Krazylegz:

There's some interesting stuff in there.

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russellb:

me too ... i fly every month or so. the catalog never seems to change, though

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russellb:

anyway, so yeah, put skymall on the list of places to buy parts from. :-p

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xris:

heh

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xris:

actually, td seems to have some ok prices

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Krazylegz:

xris: Maybe we can contact a manufacturer with a list of parts and have them sell packages?

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adante:

hah

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adante:

you get no sympathy from those of us living in aus

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adante:

i think we cop 10–15% markup by merit of being on a remote giant sandy island

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kormoc:

filled with criminals no less!

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simon_c:

Ahh Ha !!

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simon_c:

It looks like there's a binary as part of the mytharchive package, mytharchivehelper that does most of the work. It looks like I can call this directly to import multiple files into a new myth setup.

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adante:

just because we have a genetic predisposition to crime doesn't me we shouldn't be have access to the same low price consumer electronics as you guys

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xris:

adante: on the other hand, you get to live in australia.

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adante:

xris: i guess there is that

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Anduin:

Increasing prices to cover losses resulting from theft is SOP

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xris:

adante: you have to understand how sexy the female aussie accent is to US guys

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mishehu:

it is?

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xris:

mishehu: to a lot of us, yes.

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xris:

same with irish

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** mishehu shrugs **

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xris:

(funny, since they're related)

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mishehu:

there's a saying that I know... "eyn Al mah lehitvakeyaH baInyan shel taAm vereyaH"... translates to "there's no arguing over issues of taste and smell"

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adante:

well i'm happy for ya xris but that isn't making the price of 500gb hdd's any cheaper... or is it...

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xris:

probably not

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kash:

Sid`: still haven't gotten it :/

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Captain_Murdoch:

GreyFoxx: you around?

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Pogonip:

Compiled from source today and can't seem to get my mythbackend working, any suggestions.

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defendguin_:

is zap2it still having issues?

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Pogonip:

My original build was under /user/share and worked fine, but the new build is under usr/local/share

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defendguin_:

i'm trying to run mythtv-setup and its not pulling any channel data

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xris:

Pogonip: how was your original build under /usr only?

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xris:

defendguin_: did you double check password/etc in the appropriate section?

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defendguin_:

yes

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Pogonip:

Yes, I downloaded the original build using Fedora program manager.

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defendguin_:

xris: --- datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com ping statistics ---

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defendguin_:

11 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 10000ms

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planktonboy:

hi all

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Pogonip:

defendguin, zap2it is working for me.

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xris:

defendguin_: no guarantee they respond to ping

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defendguin_:

hmm ok

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xris:

Pogonip: huh? if you used yum/etc, then you didn't build it.

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planktonboy:

does anyone know if mythstream-0.17_2 installs ok with recent mythtv svn build

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Pogonip:

I downloaded from svn development page last night and built it today. I probably should have removed the original install before compiling but I didn

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Pogonip:

t

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planktonboy:

hi xris

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Anduin:

Pogonip: remove the packaged version and re make install

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xris:

Pogonip: you do need to, yes.

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Pogonip:

Already removed the packaged version, and I am in the process of re-making right now.

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defendguin_:

2007-05–30 19:37:39.114 Grabbing channel data

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defendguin_:

--19:37:39-- http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService

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defendguin_:

=> `-'

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defendguin_:

Resolving datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com... failed: Name or service not known this is what i get in the term when i run myth-setup and try to setup my video source

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defendguin_:

i think this pretty much rules out a password problem

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xris:

defendguin_: yeah. sounds like you're having dns issues

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defendguin_:

when i ping that address it resolves to the address 206.18.98.160

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defendguin_:

no reply but it resolves

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Pogonip:

defenguin; make sure their isn't a firewall running somewhere.

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defendguin_:

Pogonip: i doubt any firewall would stop ping from working

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defendguin_:

i can ping google.com just fine

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Anduin:

many people choose not to respond to pings

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defendguin_:

Pogonip: if you run mythfilldatabase it actually works for you?

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Pogonip:

defendquin; I agree, but as xris said, not all systems allow ping, this sounds very much like a firewal

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xris:

Pogonip: not if it's only resolving sometimes

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Pogonip:

defendquin; it did about 30 minutes ago. I'm in the process of rebuilding and I can check when it completes

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xris:

Pogonip: the lookup could be cached somewhere, and mythtv might be going around the cache

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xris:

you could always try putting an entry in /etc/hosts

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xris:

but don't forget to remove it later

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Pogonip:

I'm pretty new to Linux, so I probably over my head anyway.

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planktonboy:

ok..nobody using mythstream with latest mythtv svn, will let you know shortly if it works or not :)

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planktonboy:

hehe, might be worth doing a backup first :)

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Pogonip:

defendquin; As soon as my build is finished I'll test mythdatabasefill.

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defendguin_:

thanks

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Anduin:

defendguin_: Yes, zap2it works, they do occasionally have something go down though

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LikwidFire:

h

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defendguin_:

Anduin: you just ran mythfilldatabase and it worked?

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xris:

Pogonip: there are also specfiles in the wiki for building packages against svn

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Anduin:

I sshed in, ran it, it downloaded and updated, so yes.

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defendguin_:

hmmm

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defendguin_:

can you see if you are able to ping datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com ?

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Anduin:

defendguin_: it doesn't respond to pings

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defendguin_:

ok so i'm wasting my time with that

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defendguin_:

fair enough

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Anduin:

defendguin_: telnet datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com 80

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defendguin_:

ok

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defendguin_:

says connection closed by foreign host

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Anduin:

defendguin_: if other network things are working well I'd just wait it out

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defendguin_:

maybe filldb would work if i could only retrieve the lineup

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