Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, May 29th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Bleeptech:

mzb, Thought of that.. I'm not even getting garbage when I try 'cat /dev/lircd' or /dev/inputX

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mzb:

does mode2 work?

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Bleeptech:

'cat /dev/input/mouse1' gives me garbage when I movethe mouse.. I even grabbed the webcam and hoked it up to make sure teh remote was x-mitting.

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Bleeptech:

3 sets of batteries later it was. :)

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mzb:

does mode2 work?

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mzb:

have you been through the troubleshooting/setup on lirc.org?

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Bleeptech:

Nope.. irw/irrecord/mode2 all make lircd barf and die..

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mzb:

right

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mzb:

login as user to X

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mzb:

(or anywhere really;)

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mzb:

as root, stop the lircd daemon

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mzb:

open a terminal (I use ssh with a wireless ipaq)

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mzb:

and start the daemon on the command line with "no fork" option

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Bleeptech:

Yep.. Tried the built-in on my BT848 and a couple of serial units including an 'Interact SV2020' ir-mouse receiver.

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mzb:

when you get sick of that game, download the cvs of lirc and install that

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mzb:

:)

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Bleeptech:

mzb, you mean 'lircd --nodaemon'?

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[R]:

so i upgraded a bunch of my X libs and now my osd font is a little weird... all the other fonts are fine

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mzb:

something like that

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[R]:

i've cleared the fontconfig cache and some other things... anyone else got any ideas?

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mzb:

if mode2 and irw are not working for you, you probably don't have the right driver module configured/loaded

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Bleeptech:

mzb, This is CVS.. I really hate it as a matter of fact.. Won't let me downgrade it to a stable ver.

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mzb:

I _strongly_ suggest you follow the instructions on lirc.org and install from cvs

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mzb:

no, it's a cvs version packaged by redhat (afaict)

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mzb:

I mean FROM cvs ... there's a nice setup script which asks you which device you have (etc) ... I'll bet you it works

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Bleeptech:

Tried that as well..

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mzb:

just do cvs

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Bleeptech:

recompiled 5 times with various hardware.. No go..

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mzb:

bbl ... coffee time (haven't had my "wakeup" quota)

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mzb:

so you're guessing

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mzb:

looks like you should do more research ;)

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Bleeptech:

For accessing the interact yeah.. For teh 848 it's the AverMedia.

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mzb:

right, so do you even know if it's supported by lirc? If so, you should be able to determine the name of the driver, ... etc

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Bleeptech:

And now i've got to wait for 250 gig to fsck.. :(

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mzb:

convert to ext3 ;)

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mzb:

do some more research, get cvs ... that's about all I can suggest

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mzb:

bbl

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Bleeptech:

Now you tell me! ROFLMAO..

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xris:

Bleeptech: or wait a couple of days and install f7

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

I just built myself and I'm still working out the bugs. Really freaked me out initially though – was getting weird kernel timing / ACPI / black magic issues

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Bleeptech:

FC6 is giving me a lot of grief with wanting to claim my new 250 gig has badblocks all over the place.. And i'm getting teh Block XXXXX claimed by badblocks for no reason BS.

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Bleeptech:

Woops.. fsck.ext3 bombed on boot.. Time to park the cat on the enter key again.. :(

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xris:

Bleeptech: um, no reason that it's not right

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Tanthrix:

Is 3:2 pull down strictly something that is done on interlaced sources?

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Bleeptech:

'Programming error: Block XXXXX claimed by badblocks for no reason' or something like that..

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Tanthrix:

(Interlaced, 24 FPS sources, that is)

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Bleeptech:

Tanthrix, I think that's the tele-cine switch.. makes sure you dont get tearing on scene changes.

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planktonboy:

xris, the recordings player is working now, installed an older ffmpeg package which had mp3 enabled and the flash player works now

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Tanthrix:

I understand what it is, I'm just wondering if by definition 3:2 pulldown only deals with interlaced sources.

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xris:

planktonboy: cool

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planktonboy:

by the way, what is the button on the left of the play button

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planktonboy:

:)

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Tanthrix:

Specifically, I'm wondering how when I play a 24 fps video on my 60hz progressive set that it gets displayed properly

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xris:

Tanthrix: no. you're thinking of inverse telecine

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xris:

pulldown just refers to dropping the framerate

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Tanthrix:

xris: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine#3:2_pulldown &ndas h; more than that going on

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Tanthrix:

And if I understand correctly, inverse telecine is just used to turn a 30fps interlaced source that originally was 24fps (So you turn the interlaced 60 fields a second into the original 24 progressive frames per second)

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Tanthrix:

I'm asking what's going on when I play a 24 fps progressive piece of video on a set that runs at 60 fps.

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Tanthrix:

(A progressive set, specifically)

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xris:

Tanthrix: I use inverse telecine to convert 29.97 to 23.976...

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xris:

but how is 24 fps progressive?

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xris:

progressive video is usually 50 (pal) or 60 (ntsc) fps

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Tanthrix:

Er, huh? The whole thing is that movies are filmed at 24 frames per second progressive

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Tanthrix:

Then 3:2 pull down is used to make it display at 30 frames a second, or speed up / 2:2:2:2:2:2:2:3 for PAL

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xris:

dunno. when I look at 720p vs 1080i, it's 60 vs 30 fps

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fysa:

I need an animated GIF viewer for X11. XView doesn't work, and 'display' sucks.

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Tanthrix:

The whole problem is that movies are not filmed at 25 or 30 fps (or 50 or 60), but instead at 23.973p

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xris:

I thought that most stuff these days was shot at 60fps HD

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Tanthrix:

Which is why you get "telecine judder" when watching movies on NTSC sets, or a 4 percent speed (and consequently pitch change) on PAL

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fysa:

only some sports, xris

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Tanthrix:

xris: TV shows yes, but nearly all movies still done on film are 23.973

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xris:

ah

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Bleeptech:

Tanthrix, They're all 60 fields/sec.. It's just that the interlace gives you a higher apparent resolution

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fysa:

Even most TV shows are still 24p.

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fysa:

24p->60i

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Tanthrix:

fysa: Interesting, didn't know that.

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Bleeptech:

320x480i gives you what looks like a better picture when running than 320x240.. Pause both and they look the same.

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fysa:

It's just not really necessary. They use the bandwidth for a higher bitrate.

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fysa:

For sports, 60fps is great because you can follow the ball better.

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xris:

Bleeptech: gotta love letting the eyes/brain do the work of putting things back together.

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Tanthrix:

Bleeptech: Yes and no. While you get more effective resolution, you have to deal with all the interlacing artifacts.

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fysa:

But for sitcoms, it makes it look a little 'fake'

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xris:

(though it's usually 328x480i)

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Bleeptech:

fysa, Or slo-mo to watch the tits on the cheerleaders bounce. :D

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fysa:

heh

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Tanthrix:

Anyway, I'm really curious exactly what is going on when mplayer plays back a 24fps progressive source on my 60fps progressive TV

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fysa:

turn verbosity up..

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fysa:

is it a .TS?

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fysa:

1080i stream?

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Tanthrix:

fysa: No, x264 test clip.

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Tanthrix:

So, I guess either mplayer or the video card is inserting duplicate frames somewhere.

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Bleeptech:

Tanthrix, mplayer I think.

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fysa:

yeah, that's usually in the card/driver. you may notice jitter/judder.

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Tanthrix:

That's my thought as well

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fysa:

my favorite test clip is the 20th Century Fox into..

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fysa:

intro..

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Tanthrix:

(Was agreeing with Bleeptech for the record, that I think it's mplayer)

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fysa:

the way it pans *always* causes mplayer to skip.

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fysa:

it's very annoying on my projector.

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Tanthrix:

Since I'm outputting at 1080P over DVI, not using tv-out which might handle it

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fysa:

because of this, I've since switched to xine.

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[R]:

so i upgraded a bunch of my X libs and now my osd font is a little weird... all the other fonts are fine

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[R]:

i've cleared the fontconfig cache and some other things... anyone else got any ideas?

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Tanthrix:

Inherently you will see some judder on any TV that can't display at a multiple of 24, which is why the new 120hz sets are nice

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Tanthrix:

They act just like a movie theater, the good ones at least, displayed each frame three times (to avoid flicker) but in the end not inserting frames unevenly to cause the judder

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Tanthrix:

(Movie theaters usually play at least three times the frame rate of the video or higher)

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, 24 * 3 = 73, and 120 is not a even divide of 24...

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fysa:

new projectors will do native 24hz :)

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: 120/12 = 5

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, ooh.. my mistake... not thinking correctly

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: How the hell could you get 120/24 = 2.5? GWB math? ;)

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, I took your 5 @ 12 and divided it by 2 :P

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Tanthrix:

(It's ok though, I am rubbish at simple math most of the time to the point of utter embarassment)

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Bleeptech:

Tanthrix, Yes, but teh real question is.. "Do you have to take off your shoes and unzip your fly to count to 21?"

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

So, from what I understand, dvd players / TV that do reverse pulldown basically turn 30 fps interlaced video into the original 24 fps progressive source

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Tanthrix:

But then what process do they use to display that 24fps source on a NTSC tv?

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Bleeptech:

Tanthrix, Black-Magic..

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planktonboy:

right going to give it a break for today

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Tanthrix:

(PAL it's better, since a 4 percent speed up takes care of the problem – going from 24fps to 30fps by pitch changing would be a whopping 25 percent change though, making chipmunk city occur)

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xris:

or... progressive tv.

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Tanthrix:

Er, right. Sorry

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planktonboy:

xris thanks very much for your ehlp

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planktonboy:

help even :)

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planktonboy:

kormoc thanks too

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Bleeptech:

Crap.. And now it's borked my tv-out..

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planktonboy:

cya tomorrow

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planktonboy:

night

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planktonboy:

:))

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Tanthrix:

Makes me wish I had a set that could take PAL inputs now..

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Tanthrix:

Anyone know any decent forums where I could get some answers about this stuff?

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, you sure it's not that a 24 htz signal is 60 htz after a 3:2 pullup?

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecine#3:2_pulldown &ndas h; That's what happens with a 3:2 pulldown, if that's what you mean

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, to me, that seems like they take 24 htz and convert it to 30 and then double it for display, so I don't get why a dvd player would go from 30 to 24

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Because, if you have a TV that supports it, you can see the original 24 progressive frames (with some frames added in to make it 30 without a set that can handle it directly) instead of the crappy interlaced version

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Tanthrix:

And not just interlaced, but badly interlaced since it has to duplicate fields then blend them together – the wiki graphic demonstrates it nicely

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, so then why are you asking how it would get displayed?

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Because I'm not quite sure if they really are just inserting some frames to make it 30 total

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Tanthrix:

Obviously they have to do something, and something that doesn't involve interlacing otherwise it would defeat the whole purpose

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Tanthrix:

I'd just like to know specifically what's going on (ie, every 3rd frame they duplicate or something)

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Tanthrix:

(So basically, with 3:2 pull down you eliminate the grabled interlaced fields and start off with the fresh 24 fps progressive original source – which if you're lucky you can display natively with a 120hz set, but if not, then somehow that 24fps is turned into 30fps, and that's what I want to learn how)

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Tanthrix:

And what's doing it, whether mplayer or the video card itself

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Tanthrix:

(Er, with a reverse 3:2 pulldown you eliminate..)

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Tanthrix:

And it's much better than regular deinterlacing (which of course tends to suck by default) but with a source that had 3:2 pull down done the deinterlacing artefacts are even worse

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squish102:

why do i have a few millisecond delay in video every 1 to 2 seconds. the sound is fine, but that pause with loss of a couple frames seems to happen on bot a pvr150 and a ATi HDTV card.

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squish102:

watching something like formula 1 car race really looks bad

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squish102:

this is after converting to Xvid and putting it onto DVD with mytharchive

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squish102:

s/and/or

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dr_willis:

so this is on a normal dvd player its doing it?

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Bleeptech:

OK.. I'm gonna have to tear a box down and replace the video card.. It's telling me the CRT is connected after I pulled the cable out on the last reboot.

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Bleeptech:

Laters all. :)

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Tanthrix:

Interesting – the reason 120hz was chosen for new sets as opposed to 72 hz is that 120 is also a multiple of 60, so you get the best of both worlds. Both 24fps stuff and 60 fps stuff displayed natively with no pull down of any kind

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Tanthrix:

Anyway I can map my "front" alsa mixer to "master" so when myth changes the master it actually changes the front? (Since I'm missing a master, and as it stands now at boot front defaults to 0, so I get no sound)

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: tell it to use front as the control to change (rather than master)

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Tanthrix:

It's hardcoded in the settings, isn't it?

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Tanthrix:

You can only set what mixer device you use, but the only options you get for it are "Master" and "PCM"

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: can't you type in there?

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: No, it just says "Master: slider bar, PCM: slider bar" – only place to type anything in is "Mixer device"

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: In fact, now that I look, it was you that said myth sets master and pcm unconditionally ;)

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Tanthrix:

Not a huge deal though, I can just use aumix to set it to 100 at boot, since I don't use the internal volume controls at all.

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Anduin:

It was me, and it does, it also sets 'MixerControl', I didn't remember it only allowing that limited selection (I knew there was a reason I like my ALSA patch)

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felipe__:

Hello, people. I bought a new laptop and it came with a HP ExpressCard Digital/Analog TV Tuner. Where can I see if it will work with mythtv?

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: I don't know how often it will be reset, but MixerControl is the DB setting

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Tanthrix:

Meaning that I could change it manually, but the next time I upgrade or some such thing it would go back to the way it was?

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: more likely, the next time the settings are loaded/saved (which happens, well, every time you start or change one)

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, gotcha.

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Tanthrix:

I'll just use aumix, thanks though.

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: If you are compiling... well modifying it would be easy.

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Anduin:

or that :)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Anduin:

If we didn't support JACK and other stuff I don't use I'd have committed my ALSA/OSS patch long ago.

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felipe__:

Where can I get a list of compatible TV Tuners?

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dr_willis:

hmm. i think theres a mythtv wiki site/paget with that info

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leOn:

howdy

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leOn:

i can't seem to find this info anywhere ... is there lightscribe support builtin mythtv, or through a wrapper or something .. ?

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dr_willis:

litescribe is so new. Im not sure how supported it is under linux at all.

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dr_willis:

I dont even have any LS disks.. since they are likle 3x the cost of a normal dvd-r

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dr_willis:

i ment to grab some today to test out.. but frogot.

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dr_willis:

DL media is 10x the cost of DVD-R's (thats sickning)

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dr_willis:

well 10x last i checked. :)

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Tanthrix:

le0n: If it is supported in linux you could use myth to make ISOs for you, then use whatever program that supports LS to burn it separately

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leOn:

dr_willis: there are some 3rd party gratis software

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Tanthrix:

Or use a networked windows box to do it

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dr_willis:

I tend to use Mythtv to just make the iso files in a shared dir.. that i then connect to from my faster-burning windows box. that i then use to burn the isos with. :)

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leOn:

i don't use windows

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dr_willis:

need all my ide channels on the myth box for hard drives heh..

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Aquahallic:

evenin' folks

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dr_willis:

well aint you just special. :)

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leOn:

only a linux laptop

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leOn:

not special, i just don't have windows .. it's a fact

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dr_willis:

Picked up a $350 Laptop today. gotta try out some live cd's on it soon

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leOn:

and i sure don't want to have to start using it just beacause of lightscribe

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dr_willis:

wonder how well the WMP/uPNP stuff works.. gotta try that also.

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dr_willis:

Sharpie Pen = faster then LiteScribe. :)

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leOn:

my hand writting is terrible unfortunatly =)

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leOn:

and lightscribe is pretty cool

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dr_willis:

If not very speedy.

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dr_willis:

Be nicer if ya dident have to flip the cd over.

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leOn:

that i actually don't know .. i've only seen the finished product

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dr_willis:

But i havent even tried it yet due to the media cost.

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dr_willis:

heh.

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leOn:

yeah .. that's a downside too

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dr_willis:

cd/dvd/optical media.. are so ... well.. getting primitive.. its rare to even find a SATA dvd drive.

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leOn:

but since the only thing i'm planning on writting are photo album cds

[01:33:02]

dr_willis:

leOn, yep same here.. "good for a gift for grandma" but i got several 100 paper labels also..

[01:33:04]

leOn:

well .. it's actually more about backup

[01:33:18]

leOn:

i'll keep the files in the hd anyways

[01:33:42]

leOn:

just for safe keeping, and yes .. that grandma gift too =)

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dr_willis:

I seem to recall some improved durability dvd+r mentioned ages ago.. supposed to have a teflon coating, and other 'durabilkity' features... but not heard about that stuff lately.

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leOn:

i've have some terrible experiences with paper labels

[01:34:59]

leOn:

even though they were centered and nicely glued, over time, probably from humidity they got bumpy and severak discs i lost them completely

[01:35:20]

leOn:

got too much unbalanced

[01:35:32]

leOn:

and when i tried to remove the labels, the outcome was even worse

[01:35:44]

dr_willis:

heh.

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dr_willis:

Put them in the dishwasher!

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leOn:

man .. i think i prefer lightscribe

[01:36:12]

leOn:

=)

[01:36:44]

dr_willis:

Sharpies

[01:37:01]

dr_willis:

"here honey, put "Porn Pics" on this DVD for me -

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** leOn just hopes he gets his offers accepted for those ebay items **

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dr_willis:

wife pur her paper label on the Wrong side of the cd once....

[01:37:47]

leOn:

thinking about using a core duo processor in a nifty mobo

[01:38:00]

leOn:

already got myself a fanless psu

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leOn:

what u guys think about the silverstone htpc cases ?

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xris:

leOn: big

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hads:

Yeah, bigish. They have smaller ones though.

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** hads has two **

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dr_willis:

was looking at the Antec cases today..

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xris:

yay for popup menus covered up by flash

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xris:

(silverstone)

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leOn:

heheh

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hads:

Don't have that problem here. The front page just doesn't think I have flash :)

[01:45:44]

leOn:

thinking about the LC03 one

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xris:

huge. heh

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xris:

hads: that's nice

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: By the way, I think putting acpi_use_timer_override as a kernal paramenter fixed my timer problems. The box has been up for a few days now and I just switched back to RTC and it appears to be working

[01:48:01]

xris:

lc-11 would be ok, except that you'd need to use onboard video

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: (At the prompting of the warning in my syslog that I later noticed: Nvidia board detected. Ignoring ACPI timer override., If you got timer trouble try acpi_use_timer_override)

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Aquahallic:

evenin' folks

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leOn:

hey ... that's a nice one

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xris:

leOn: yeah. not too bad.

[01:49:31]

xris:

silverstone is really pricy, though

[01:49:54]

leOn:

hmm.. no .. won't do

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xris:

I think I'll probably just end up with a crappy little apevia cube that newegg sells. not so small, nor super attractive, but cheap.

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leOn:

can't use an atx psu on it

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: good to know (though I have that feeling I'm not going to remember it next time I need to)

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xris:

leOn: doesn't it come with its own psu?

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Aquahallic:

havin' a little trouble with an AC97 soundcard in mythtv... I can't control the volume with the mythtv control... and if I go into alsamixer the master volume doesn't work... but it's on the "headphone" that it works... can I remap the volume control in mythtv to use the headphone control for my volume??

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leOn:

xris: i already have a fanless on

[01:51:08]

leOn:

one

[01:51:10]

xris:

ah

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xris:

I thought most of the silverstone chassis came with their own already

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leOn:

i'm planning to build the whole thing fanless

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xris:

ah

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xris:

why?

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hads:

xris: It's seems odd but Silverstone stuff is pretty reasonable over here compared to other gear.

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leOn:

noise basically

[01:51:42]

xris:

hard drive makes more noise than a good 120mm fan

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xris:

hads: ouch? heh

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** xris really needs to find the link to that store with all of the htpc cases **

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hads:

Not really, I don't think other gear is dare, just Silverstone is cheapish for some reason.

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leOn:

well ... the plan is to use the box as a home server too, and not just htpc

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leOn:

the disk noise i can bear with, while using the media center features

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leOn:

but i need a 0db setup when it's not in media use

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leOn:

when i want silence, i want silence ... even if the damn thing is on

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leOn:

am i making any sense? =)

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xris:

not really

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dr_willis:

leOn, like a laptop :)

[01:55:22]

xris:

hard drive will always make noise

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dr_willis:

Network fileserver in basement!

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dr_willis:

:)

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dr_willis:

boot from a CF drive

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dr_willis:

heck – drill a hole in the floor. put the whole pc in basement. run cables up

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xris:

yeah. my server lives in the garage

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xris:

wtf is up with htpc cases with 60mm fans?

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dr_willis:

Ive seen a few high end PS's with fans.. that are so quiet.. i cant hear them when they are on.

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dr_willis:

its amazing how quiet laptops can be also.

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leOn:

unfortunatly my basement is 3 floors appart from the appartment .. so i'm really stuck with it in the living room

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leOn:

=P

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leOn:

dr_willis: problem with laptops is the lack of goodies, like the pvr-250 i have sitting over here

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leOn:

=)

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xris:

leOn: usb?

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leOn:

pci

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dr_willis:

leOn, yep. but an older laptop makes a good MythTV front end for the backroom.

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xris:

leOn: no, I was saying that the laptop can use usb

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xris:

leOn: you're going to want fans if you have a pvr-250, though

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leOn:

xris: man ... usb means wires

[02:00:17]

russellb:

wireless usb, d'uh

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russellb:

oh, and power over wireless ethernet

[02:00:28]

leOn:

eheh

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: ping

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dr_willis:

networking over powerlines!

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dr_willis:

:)

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, pong

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xris:

leOn: um, computers mean wires. need a wire to the tv, wire to the power outlet, etc

[02:00:55]

leOn:

xris: you know that, i know that, my wife doesn't

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leOn:

=)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: With a twist cable, I got between 15MB/sec and 20MB/sec... Still not gigabit speeds...

[02:01:37]

leOn:

ouch .. 3am already

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I just setup a firewire network between the boxes, and am getting a consistent 12–20MB/sec...

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leOn:

sleep time

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leOn:

thanks for the tips guys

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, well, you're not gonna actually get full gigabit no matter what. it's just not quite that good

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xris:

leOn: anyway, just be careful going fanless.. stuff like the pvr-250 doesn't hold up well in heat.. and hard drives make quite a bit more noise than a good fan

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leOn:

i'll be looking into the lc02 i think ... looks like it's full atx compliant

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, that said, still a bit low

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, but I expected better than 15MB/sec... That's only 50% better than 100mbit...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, but yeah, one of your cards or both are just crappy out the wazoo... if I had to bet, I'd say it's that wonky RT one

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yuck... my new backend just froze up. I don't think it likes 1394 networking...

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xris:

this is the one I keep coming back to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144162

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Ok, perhaps eth1394 wasn't the way to go... it worked for about 10 mins... now just locks up the box hard... (yuck)

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Tanthrix:

Anyone in here have a graphical cpu monitor they can recommend?

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Zider:

for a desktop or for a mythbox? :P

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Tanthrix:

Zider: Both ;) (Dual headed mythbox)

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Zider:

I like gkrellm

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Tanthrix:

I'd like something a bit bigger and simpler

[02:34:14]

Zider:

so make it bigger and simpler :)

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Zider:

should be possible yes

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, might want to check cacti too

[02:35:57]

Zider:

disable all other plugins/builtins and change the size

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Tanthrix:

Ooo, cacti looks pretty spiffy.

[02:36:40]

Zider:

doesn't look very simple ;)

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kormoc:

it's not :P

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Tanthrix:

No, but it looks like I could just have a browser window of my two CPUs open with it

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Tanthrix:

Attempting gkrellm first though

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kormoc:

it's non realtime tho

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kormoc:

it's more for historic and trends and the like

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Tanthrix:

Oh, I see

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Tanthrix:

Doesn't look like I cam make grellkm big enough to see across the room

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Zider:

anyone here good with php and regex?

[02:39:22]

kormoc:

decent

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Zider:

I need to split up a string of 6 numbers into an aeeay/list with 2 numbers in each

[02:39:59]

Zider:

array even

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Zider:

it's a time in HHMMSS, but since it's not separated it,s kida hard to split it :P

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kormoc:

example start string?

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Zider:

041059

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kash:

lol i was in mythtv-user for 2 weeks before i realised

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kormoc:

(d{2})(d{2})(d{2}) ?

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Zider:

ah :)

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Zider:

hm

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xris:

or (dd)(dd)(dd) (fewer characters to type)

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Zider:

is that for split() or..?

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kormoc:

preg_match

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kormoc:

you said regex :P

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Zider:

php and regex :P

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kormoc:

yeah, and everyone uses preg in php for regexs :P

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xris:

kormoc: could use ereg

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xris:

though I have no idea why you'd want to

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hads:

heh

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Zider:

I get Unknown modifier '('

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hads:

You'll want a / start and end.

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kormoc:

Zider, add / to the start and end of it, and put it in ''s

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monkeyBox:

Does anyone know the variable to use in the OSD theme to show the channel name, instead of the callsign?

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xris:

Zider: in what?

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Zider:

xris: php

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xris:

right, but what function?

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Zider:

preg_match

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xris:

ereg and preg take different paraemters

[02:50:03]

xris:

well, hads and kormoc answered you, then

[02:50:07]

Zider:

yeah

[02:50:16]

Zider:

but all I get is a 1

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kormoc:

Zider, you need to add on the matches parm, it's the array that will be filled with matches...

[02:50:48]

kormoc:

Zider, you should look up the funciton on php.net

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xris:

http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.preg-match.php

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Zider:

aaah, now I get it :D

[02:52:06]

Zider:

the dime finally fell down ;)

[02:52:11]

Zider:

thanks a lot :)

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hads:

Yeah, doc's will do that.

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hads:

s/'//

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Zider:

yeah, I was just used to getting it as a result.. :)

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zambaroo:

sigh

[03:05:20]

zambaroo:

compiled from source on this cyrix and it still segfaults.

[03:06:33]

zambaroo:

oh. adjusted the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and now it works.

[03:07:36]

Zider:

http://www.zider.se/screen/ – yay, quickhacks ftw ;)

[03:10:51]

adante:

say

[03:11:05]

adante:

was there a perl script that would remind invalid entries in the database?

[03:11:16]

adante:

invalid or maybe more correctly, entries which did not have a corresponding file

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kash:

lol rosie quit the view

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clever[rev]:

what data is sent thru QAM signals?

[03:19:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: fyi... Just tested my gig network with 'ipperf', and it shows 730Mbits/sec... So it's not the network. Must be software somehow...

[03:19:58]

kormoc:

wonky...

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** J-e-f-f-A agrees... **

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** J-e-f-f-A I woudn't give a hoot about the gig network speeds if I wasn't trying to copy my old recordings to my new backend... **

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hads:

adante: Yeah, there is a contrib script.

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zambaroo:

J-e-f-f-A, keep in mind that the network might behave differently if you put huge files on it.

[03:33:28]

zambaroo:

rather then many small files

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: It should behave better with huge files... imho...

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kash:

it would

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zambaroo:

depending on the card and the driver, you might want to play with the jumboframes settings.

[03:34:23]

kash:

depending on the protocol

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: I tried to push them up to 9000, but the FC4 system (old system) would only go up to 7K. So when I ran 'ipperf', it gave an MTU size of 5948, so I set both systems to that.

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zambaroo:

J-e-f-f-A, what about the duplex settings?

[03:37:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: ethtool eth0 reports 1000Mb/s and Full duplex.

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zambaroo:

both ends

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: And 'ipperf' reported performance of 730Mbits/sec ... (yes, both ends...)

[03:38:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: My switch supports jumbo frames. (Un-managed D-Link DGS-1005D)

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** J-e-f-f-A ... did I say something wrong? **

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** J-e-f-f-A ;-) **

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zambaroo:

J-e-f-f-A, sorry got kicked out

[03:40:24]

zambaroo:

:)

[03:40:27]

zambaroo:

please repeat

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: And 'ipperf' reported performance of 730Mbits/sec ... (yes, both ends...)

[03:40:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: My switch supports jumbo frames. (Un-managed D-Link DGS-1005D)

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** zambaroo nods **

[03:40:55]

zambaroo:

tried dropping the setting to half duplex?

[03:41:05]

zambaroo:

and the drives are hdparmed and all

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: No, I didn't...

[03:41:23]

zambaroo:

see what happens, would be interesting.

[03:41:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: drives: Yep — source is 4xATA 133 in LVM – Destination is 3xSATA300 in Raid5.

[03:43:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: 'ethtool -s eth0 duplex half' does not seem to have worked — still reports duplex as full....

[03:44:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: (Both sides btw)

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: And if I stream them all on the line – 'ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex half autoneg off', I get half-duplex but only 100Mb/s...

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: Although... My switch still indicates a gigabit connection... (And I can't set the speed on my new system with ethtool — says 'invalid argument – not setting speed/duplex/autoneg' -nvidia chipset)

[03:49:21]

zambaroo:

oh wow..

[03:49:37]

zambaroo:

what ver of ethtool?

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: "ethtool version 3"

[03:51:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: I know it's not the network itself as 'iperf' is capable fo getting 730Mbit/sec...

[03:52:14]

zambaroo:

what do you think it is?

[03:52:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: cp's using NFS hang and/or go very slowly. cp's using samba blow up at +2GB... FTP is consistent at 9.5MB/sec...

[03:52:30]

zambaroo:

rsync?

[03:52:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: I was looking up how to use rsync... haven't tried it yet.

[03:55:17]

zambaroo:

since you mentioned an old os... :)

[03:55:28]

zambaroo:

that was a limitation on ext2, i believe

[03:57:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: Well, rsync seems to be going faster... I'm trying to determine how to see how fast atm...

[03:57:52]

zambaroo:

it will show how long it took at the end

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zambaroo:

i think it also has an option --show-progressbar or something to that extent

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: then I'm gonna go to bed... that's 667GB of recordings...

[03:59:02]

zambaroo:

oy

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vldmr:

anyone here using slackware ?

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zambaroo:

k that's gonna take a long time, J-e-f-f-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: Yeah, but hopefully less than the 21 hours it would have taken at just 9.5MB/sec...

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zambaroo:

J-e-f-f-A, true, true.

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vldmr:

ping

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J-e-f-f-A:

gnip

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kash:

6 hours.

[04:02:12]

kash:

big deal

[04:02:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

kash ?

[04:02:29]

kash:

that's how much time it will take

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J-e-f-f-A:

kash: Yes, assuming my gig network starts behaving...

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vldmr:

J-e-f-f-A: :)... my first time with mythtv

[04:02:52]

kash:

what app are you using?

[04:02:58]

kash:

to transfer, i mean

[04:03:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

kash: Tried FTP, 'cp' via NFS, etc... Finally trying 'rsync'...

[04:03:25]

kash:

don't use rsync + ssh

[04:03:32]

kash:

it will be too much encryption overhead

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vldmr:

I have mythtv with your requered softs installed. I have mysql with default config path

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J-e-f-f-A:

kash: what's the command to rsync without ssh? I'm using "rsync -ave ssh destip:/destdir /srcdir" now..

[04:05:39]

kash:

man rsync :p

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J-e-f-f-A:

thx.

[04:06:29]

kash:

also, what cards do you have on both boxes?

[04:07:50]

kash:

i'm wondering if maybe CPU is playing some part

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kash:

brb

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J-e-f-f-A:

kash: Old box is a Dual PIII 866MHz — New box is an Athlon 64 X2 4600+

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zambaboo:

ooh, t'pol looks better than ever

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fstx:

how do I clean out the database totally? I have removed all cards and video sources,

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kash:

J-e-f-f-A: sounds like the realtek may be a problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

kash: Why do you say that?

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kash:

J-e-f-f-A: realtek cards are known for being unreliable and flaky

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kash:

flakey*

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J-e-f-f-A:

kash: Ah... What brand do you recommend for Linux?

[04:19:01]

kash:

intel pro cards are good for gigabit

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kash:

anything that doesn't have a marvell PHY

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J-e-f-f-A:

kash: It's just strange... no errors from 'netstat -i', and iperf is able to get 730Mbit/sec performance... I'll try to find an Intel card...

[04:23:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

kash: Watching the network activity leds on the card, it's not transmitting/receiving much... only blinks 2 or 3 times a second... Not steady like I would expect.

[04:24:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

(ie, not constantly blinking...)

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jonesy_:

guys I manually modified my recordingprofiles table and I stupidly didn't back it up, what's the best way to get that table back to default? I found mc.sql, but it's only creating the database and assigning permissions

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Tronic:

kash: Realtek 8139C chips are extremely reliable.

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kash:

Tronic: news to me.

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Tronic:

Some older Realteks may have been bad.

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Tronic:

... and I don't know of their gigabit chips.

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kormoc:

Tronic, reliable sure, speedy, not so much

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kormoc:

tho shouldn't be anywhere near that slow

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samesame:

could anyone recommend a silent / reliable drive for a myth box in the living room?

[04:27:27]

kormoc:

samesame, silent you only have on choice, a large ram drive

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Tronic:

kormoc: The Fast Ethernet chips do full bandwidth just fine.

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samesame:

ok not 100% silent but closest u can get for a HD

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Tronic:

And the CPU usage isn't that bad, either.

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kash:

fast ethernet != gigabit, and no, most don't.

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Tronic:

I wonder where all the FUD regarding Realtek products is coming from.

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kash:

i've got maybe 12 rtl cards here that don't even go 90mbit

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kormoc:

Tronic, my fast ethernets never hit above 9 megs / sec or so

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kash:

or 80 for that matter

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Tronic:

Which models? I *only* have experience on 8139C because all the cheap NICs in the past five years or so have used it.

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kash:

8139something

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kormoc:

at least one of mine was a 8139C

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kash:

not C

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Tronic:

And they will transfer 9.5 Mo/s over SCP just fine.

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samesame:

jeeze u guys are serious geeks

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Tronic:

Samba is 4 Mo/s or so, but it doesn't work well with any other NICs either.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tronic: I'm only getting up to 15MB/sec on my gigabit Realtek... 8139

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kormoc:

Tronic, I get 10.1 out of my intel e100's scp where I was getting 9 or so out of my realtecs

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Tronic:

J-e-f-f-A: 8139 isn't gigabit.

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kormoc:

Tronic, his actually is

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samesame:

i cant believe u guys measure your NICs performance to a decimal point lol

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Tronic:

What's the exact model?

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Tronic:

8139C+?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Tronic: That's what FC4 shows it as, and ethtool shows it connected at 1000mbps.. (so does my switch)

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Tronic:

Strange model numbering.

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kormoc:

samesame, I measure mine to the bit actually, I just remember one decimial place

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kormoc:

network monitoring for the win

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Tronic:

A bigger question is why nothing transfers over 40 Mo/s over gigabit.

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J-e-f-f-A:

"RTL8169S-32"

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Tronic:

(nothing that uses TCP, anyway)

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Tronic:

A network benchmark using UDP can get 90+ Mo/s just fine.

[04:33:28]

Tronic:

And I have tried plenty of different NICs, with Linux on both ends of the link.

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kormoc:

latency plays a bit part of TCP performance

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Tronic:

Maybe one needs to adjust something to make it work properly on gigabit?

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kormoc:

there's a lot of settings to tune, aye

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kormoc:

in anycase, zzzz time I think

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zambaboo:

so if my be is really slow, does implementing the fe on another machine make any difference?

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aLeSD:

hi all

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zambaboo:

hi

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samesame:

hi ALesSd

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samesame:

what can we do u for?

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aLeSD:

I'm noob in mythtv and I never did an installation ... but I'd like to have some information

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samesame:

ok..

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aLeSD:

I'd like to port mythtv on a superH STB machine

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aLeSD:

is it possible ?

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aLeSD:

running embedded linux of course

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aLeSD:

2.6.11

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samesame:

im not sure what a 'superH STB machine' is

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aLeSD:

superH is a kind or arch

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kash:

superh settopbox of course

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aLeSD:

kash is right

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samesame:

i havent a clue

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aLeSD:

someone has ever port in an embedded system mythtv ?

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samesame:

i havent a clue

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aLeSD:

ok

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xris:

aLeSD: what do you mean?

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aLeSD:

xris: if the code of mythtv is portable or i386 specific ?

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aLeSD:

I mean can I crosscompile it ?

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aLeSD:

with mpg2–4 hw-acceleration how much the cpu has to be powerfull ?

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aLeSD:

to have a normal PVR working box

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aLeSD:

xris ?

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xris:

aLeSD: I have no idea. although I suspect that at least some of it works on ppc due to the osx frontend.

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aLeSD:

nice

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warlord:

Is there a way to change the default theme if I can't actually get into mythfrontend to change it? (the main menu has no text)

[05:03:36]

samesame:

maybe telnet?

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xris:

warlord: it's stored in the db

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xris:

SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'Theme';

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warlord:

xris: thanks.. I was able to wind my way through the GANT menus without text and change to Blue.. Now I can see text. :)

[05:06:24]

warlord:

yay. now if only I could figure out why my HDHR wont return scan results to Myth.

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xris:

warlord: google for mepo-wide and blootube

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xris:

unofficial themes, but far better than the defaults

[05:09:37]

warlord:

thanks. But honestly I just wanted something on my laptop so I could do myth configuration while my housemate watched TV..

[05:10:03]

warlord:

(too much "backend" configuration happens through the frontend, IMHO)

[05:10:24]

warlord:

like, why is "run mythfilldatabase" a frontend configuration setting?

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samesame:

warlord: u can access mythtv functions via telnet

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warlord:

samesame: Oh? I can use the channel editor via telnet? Please, how?

[05:11:29]

samesame:

im not sure if its advanced as that

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samesame:

but maybe mythweb for channel editing

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warlord:

well, that's a coat of another color.. mythweb != telnet. But honestly it DOES help to actually be able to see the channel as I'm trying to edit it. For some reason the HD3k channel/subchannel numbers don't match what my Sony TV sees. They're close, but not quite the same.

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[R]:

i upgraded some X libs and now my OSD font is all weird... does anyone know how i can fix it?

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warlord:

why are you poking yourself?

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xris:

bb == blackberry

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warlord:

Ah!

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xris:

and it's not entirely happy

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warlord:

Maybe their network is dead again?

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xris:

nah. just some silly little client

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xris:

logged in, joined two channels, and couldn't see either.

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warlord:

huh. okay.

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xris:

but now I can log in here (carefully) on the bb and poke around if I get bored and am not near a computer.

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warlord:

uh oh! :)

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xris:

the other me should eventually time out and get kicked

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xris:

since I'm not connected anymore

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warlord:

hey, how much do you know about myth firewire recording?

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xris:

some. I use it.

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seth4:

Hey all! I have seen this problem before, but don't remember how it's corrected. Suddenly when viewing recordings, if I skip ahead, I notice the frontend is reporting the show duration way too high, like a 30 minute show shows as 647:30. A jump ahead takes forever because mythtv thinks the show is so long.

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warlord:

I'm connected. test-mpeg2 works reliably. Byt myth reliably fails. I've got a DCT6200. When I try to tune it will successfully change the channel but then doesn't pull any data. And then the backend crashes when I exit the recorder.

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xris:

warlord: which version of mythtv?

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seth4:

1.20

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warlord:

trunk, r13508

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xris:

odd

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seth4:

I mean version 0.20

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warlord:

the crash seems to come from the iec library.

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xris:

seth4: sorry, haven't seen that one before

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xris:

warlord: what distro?

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warlord:

Fedora 7

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xris:

not out yet. beta?

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warlord:

Yeah. F7t4, with some updates.

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xris:

odd

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warlord:

(F7 is scheduled for Thursday)

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xris:

fc5 works perfectly for me

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warlord:

Yes, very odd. I sent the crash dump to -dev

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xris:

yeah, I know. I'll probably up grade my workstation this weekend.

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warlord:

So far it's been pretty good. I was at FC5, but I decided to go with F7 on my new laptop, and then decided to stick with it across my other (new) hardware.

[05:31:08]

seth4:

I think I remember the problem being db corruption. I'm gonna take a look there.

[05:31:41]

samesame:

does anybody know when the next stable release of mythtv will be available?

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warlord:

samesame: when it's ready.

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samesame:

haha i was waiting for that

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samesame:

i wonder if anyone at this present moment is coding mythtv C++ source code

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samesame:

or ironing out bugs

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warlord:

I suspect they are.

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xris:

interesting...

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warlord:

what is?

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warlord:

more bb stuff? or something myuth?

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xris:

oh, just that the "old" blackberry me is still around

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warlord:

myth even

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xris:

fun stuff. heh

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warlord:

xris: interesting. test-mpeg2 is giving me 0-byte files now.

[06:02:27]

warlord:

anyways, bedtime for me. more tomorrow.

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clever[rev]:

warlord: i get 'QDate::fromString: Parameter out of range' alot every time i open a page in mythweb

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xris:

clever[rev]: I know that there are some date-related things in mythweb that need to be fixed.

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xris:

but what is generating the error?

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clever[rev]:

loading the recorded page

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Anduin:

xris: they are generated during the myth protocol stuff

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Anduin:

(not your fault)

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clever[rev]:

cant enable autoexpire and when i try to open its recording details i wind up at the channel guide for the 27th

[06:54:59]

clever[rev]:

i just loaded a frontend to delete it thru there

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clever[rev]:

but i could save it for debugig

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clever[rev]:

trying to open the recording details for the old file is giving me Currently Browsing: Mon May 21, 2007, 12:15 PM

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clever[rev]:

recording is from Fri Mar 9, 2007 (12:30 PM)

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timte:

what is a good dvb-c that works with mythtv?

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Tanthrix:

Well this is bizarre. All of a sudden lirc has like a delay with presses. I've got irw open, and if I press say, left for 10 presses, then wait a second and press right it will report as left for about 3–4 presses until right finally comes through

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clever[rev]:

also is it posible to sort recordings in mythfrontend acording to the originalairdate column in the recorded table instead of when it was recorded?

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NewCastleScott:

Hello all,Im on a gentoo rig and am having some issues with mythtv.here is my term.output from running mythfilldatabase---> http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/518206 I am tring to follow this wiki---> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV#Hardware_Drivers

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juski:

timte: a good dvb-c card to choose would be one which is known to work in linux. see linuxtv.org's wiki

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hatter:

how do i have mythtv get the channel guide for foxtel ?

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juski:

hatter: wooo look what was the 2nd hit on google for "mythtv foxtel": http://www.ozmyth.com/wiki/Australian+TV+Guide+Data+for+MythTV

[07:26:14]

Tanthrix:

Any ball park yet on when the next release is coming out?

[07:26:25]

NewCastleScott:

juski, any ideas with my issue?Im very new to linux.and Ill admit I did not google...

[07:26:31]

juski:

***when it's ready***

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Tanthrix:

I think I'm going to nuke my database and start over from scratch, and I just assume wait for the new version to so if it's not too far away

[07:26:55]

Tanthrix:

juski: Great, that's useful. Thanks as usual! ;)

[07:27:13]

juski:

what more can be said? mythtv doesn't work to a schedule. you should know that by now

[07:28:16]

juski:

one could speculate there seems to be an approx 6 month cycle.. but that'd just be speculation

[07:28:24]

Tanthrix:

Uh, quite a bit more. Like "Most likely in the next few weeks, we're planning on it and making last minute checks now" or "Nothing is currently on the plan – developent is going as usual, so there's no reasonable time yet)

[07:29:02]

juski:

Tanthrix: there has been no feature freeze, so same story as usual. when Isaac wants to release it, will be when 0.21 arrives

[07:29:21]

Tanthrix:

That's more useful, thanks.

[07:30:09]

juski:

the subject line for the channel is usually indicative – if there's no mention of the next release, then it's safe to assume it's nowhere near

[07:30:35]

juski:

nothing to stop you using svn head anyway. seems very stable from what I've seen of it

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Tanthrix:

True – I just get a little anxious about myth at times, since I'm no expert at mysql so a large part of the underpinnings of the system is in the dark to me. Because of that, I tend to always worry that something in there is going to get messed up at some point, and despite being a little thing, might cause all sorts of issues.

[07:31:43]

Tanthrix:

I think I may be having some db problems now, not quite sure yet

[07:35:03]

Tanthrix:

I'm using the trunk from a few weeks right now since it has better firewire support (uses guid's instead of nodes) and such

[07:35:04]

Tanthrix:

I see

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hatter:

juski: geez, I have been searching for fox instead of foxtel, thx, i will check it out

[07:36:25]

juski:

just come to #mythtv-users & I'll teach your grandma to suck eggs

[07:36:54]

juski:

getting good search results is all about what you feed the engine :-P

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, doing MPEG4 with the internal player and ALSA sound works now. Must have been something messed up with my old system that was making it not work.

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NewCastleScott:

juski, nice It seamed to do somthing diffrent this time when I ran it however its not seeing any cards...can you link me to a wiki or lend a hand configuring it?

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** juski doesn't do hand-holding **

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juski:

morning gbee

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gbee:

morning

[07:39:13]

juski:

NewCastleScott: mythtv can only see what cards would work in linux. so if it can't see any cards that'd generally mean they don't work in linux for you right now

[07:39:26]

juski:

either that or you didn't tell it about any cards

[07:39:46]

Tanthrix:

I'm getting some errors in the db now, some like "QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query"

[07:39:50]

NewCastleScott:

juski, I have a newer happuage 1600

[07:40:03]

NewCastleScott:

it showes up in lspci

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Tanthrix:

Thinking maybe importing a mysql version 3 database into mysql 5 wasn't the hottest idea

[07:40:13]

gbee:

NewCastleScott: then you need to install drivers

[07:40:39]

NewCastleScott:

gbee hmm ill look in portage.Im in gentoo

[07:40:53]

juski:

NewCastleScott: portage doesn't carry drivers

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hads:

Things would show up in lspci even if no driver exists though no?

[07:41:02]

juski:

in gentoo you have to build a kernel

[07:41:10]

juski:

hads: yups

[07:41:32]

juski:

lspci is no indication any driver works

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hads:

It's thirsty Tuesday here

[07:41:53]

juski:

and FYI the hauppauge 1600 isn't fully working in linux – won't be for quite some time, possibly up to a year

[07:42:21]

NewCastleScott:

juski, I added the v4l support as modules and cp to /boot can I just modprobe to get the M to see the card?

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juski:

to get the M to see the card?

[07:42:40]

juski:

eh?

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NewCastleScott:

juski, so do you recamend returning it for an older model?

[07:42:54]

NewCastleScott:

modules?

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juski:

NewCastleScott: what did you buy it for? for digital or for analogue tv ?

[07:43:20]

NewCastleScott:

both but I have no hd ant. yet

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juski:

primarily, I mean – because only digital will work in linux at the mo.

[07:43:31]

NewCastleScott:

so analog for now...

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juski:

analogue won't work in linux yet

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juski:

looks like you'll be returning it then

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NewCastleScott:

hmm is that hd or no?I just want reg.cable

[07:44:49]

NewCastleScott:

sorry Im not the savyist one

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juski:

pchdtv5000 or whatever for you matey!

[07:45:05]

juski:

or HDHomerun

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NewCastleScott:

I just want reg.def

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NewCastleScott:

as I have said I have no hd antenna

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juski:

haupauge pvr150 then, or pvr500 if you want a dual tuner card

[07:46:29]

NewCastleScott:

only hd?

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juski:

right now it'll only do digital!

[07:46:49]

NewCastleScott:

and that means hd?

[07:47:04]

juski:

in your case yes

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NewCastleScott:

ahh I thank you for you wisdom.I will see if I can get a hold of a 55 then I thank you again

[07:47:49]

NewCastleScott:

5500

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gardenhermit:

morning

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NewCastleScott:

500**wtf

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juski:

a 55 ? 5500? pvr500

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NewCastleScott:

take care all

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Tanthrix:

Damn you mysql and you're illegal mix of collations!

[08:14:29]

Tanthrix:

your, even

[08:17:45]

Dagmar:

er... I thought they were almost entirely SQL-compliant now

[08:18:05]

Kevorkian:

blasphemy

[08:18:14]

Dagmar:

I get my new 500Gb on wednesday. I am pleased.

[08:18:24]

Tanthrix:

I got mine last thursday. I am also pleased.

[08:18:50]

Dagmar:

I have got to either start cutting the news quotes out of the stuff I've recorded, or just delete them outright

[08:19:01]

Dagmar:

I literally have ~200Gb of CNN

[08:19:39]

Kevorkian:

my condolences

[08:19:56]

Tanthrix:

(When running mythfilldatabase, and nothing gets entered properly)

[08:21:17]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I didn't do it intentionally, it's just what happened to in the Arch Linux package system by default

[08:21:54]

Tanthrix:

Think I would have any problems going back to version 3 or 4? Or would I be more wise to restore from my original backup

[08:22:26]

Dagmar:

If you exported the file from 4, you should be able to easily reimport it

[08:22:45]

Tanthrix:

What I mean is can I export it from 5 now after using it for a few days, then import it into 3 or 4

[08:22:45]

Dagmar:

Version 3 you don't want. Obsolete entirely

[08:22:55]

Dagmar:

Hrm... *maybe*

[08:23:02]

Tanthrix:

Probably not worth the risk then?

[08:23:04]

Dagmar:

it's worth a shot to at least try

[08:23:10]

Tanthrix:

Not a big deal, a few days won't matter I suppose

[08:23:28]

Dagmar:

It's not like you can't just make a backup of the whole of /var/lib/mysql/ beforehand

[08:23:33]

Tanthrix:

Is there a way to tell which version of mysql a database was exported from?

[08:23:37]

Kevorkian:

check out mysqldumps man page .. perhaps there is a 'downgrade' option

[08:23:48]

Dagmar:

Read the file the dump tool created

[08:24:15]

Dagmar:

Well, it's a matter of the dump tool just spits out SQL statements.

[08:24:24]

Tanthrix:

4.1.11

[08:24:31]

Dagmar:

It's like Data::Dumper in perl, so it's *somewhat* version agnostic in what it emits

[08:24:44]

Tanthrix:

I'll just uninstall version 5 tomorrow, get 4, then restore from my original backup. Hopefully that'll fix it

[08:25:21]

Dagmar:

THere's a script somewhere or other that should let you reimport the metadata for the recent recordings that will orphan

[08:25:45]

Tanthrix:

Oh that's right, I forgot about that

[08:25:45]

Dagmar:

God I cant' believe I finally have ALSA freaking upmixing properly

[08:25:46]

Kevorkian:

looks like there is a -compatible=<something> switch for mysqldump .. so you shoudl be abel to have it make a dump for importing into a lesser version

[08:26:20]

Tanthrix:

Kevorkian: Thanks, I might just try that then. As Dagmar said, can't hurt to try

[08:26:30]

Dagmar:

WHy oh god WHY couldn't they have been bothered to have *simple* sh*t explaining how to do that so simple a task

[08:26:39]

Kevorkian:

--compatible=name Produce output that is more compatible with other database systems or with older MySQL servers.

[08:27:02]

Kevorkian:

The value of name can be ansi, mysql323, mysql40, postgresql, oracle, mssql, db2, maxdb, no_key_options, no_table_options, or no_field_options.

[08:27:20]

Tanthrix:

Kevorkian: I'll just use mysql40 and that should do the trick nicely.

[08:27:33]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Upmixing as in what exactly?

[08:27:37]

Dagmar:

I was askin' around my office just to see if my suspicions were correct and pretty much the majority case seems to be if folks have speakers connected to their computer that didn't come with it, they're at least 2.1

[08:27:59]

Tanthrix:

Making a stereo source output over front / back / etc ?

[08:28:12]

Dagmar:

Upmixing as in haven't you noticed that watching regular TV with it's normal stereo sound that only left front and right front speakers make a peep

[08:28:54]

Kevorkian:

thats the expected situation

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Dagmar:

I just spent $80–90 on these Altec Lansings which are 5.1. Nothing special, but it was annoying the hell out of me that it was only using two of the speakers

[08:29:09]

Tanthrix:

I just use my TV's speaker mainly, so I haven't run into that yet

[08:29:11]

Dagmar:

It makes perfect sense to mirror the front outputs to the rear outputs

[08:29:23]

Dagmar:

...and neither the subwoofer or the center channel were being used

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Sorry it was a pain in the ass. Gotta love simple tasks turning into monstrosites.

[08:29:57]

Dagmar:

There's a perfectly straightforward way to "make it go" and it looks like *I'm* going to be the one to actually sit down and write the documentation for it

[08:30:38]

Dagmar:

ALl the docs I found were like "Hi. Here's a tiny incomplete fragment of conf file that I don't explain well, and now here's my 200 line completely commented and overkill conf file that I use personally with no explanation at all"

[08:30:49]

Kevorkian:

Dagmar, if the speakers are in alaloge mode and the subs not working .. there is something wrong.

[08:30:49]

Dagmar:

er completely UNCOMMENTED

[08:31:01]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: No, actually there's not.

[08:31:06]

Dagmar:

ALSA is *very* literal minded

[08:31:38]

Dagmar:

You actually have to TELL IT to route sound to the LFE (subwoofer) or it won't.

[08:32:00]

Kevorkian:

huh

[08:32:04]

Dagmar:

I'm serious.

[08:32:08]

Kevorkian:

its a digital crossover ?

[08:32:25]

Dagmar:

With ladspa plugins you can even do a lowpass filter

[08:32:46]

Kevorkian:

well that would be what I would expect as normal for a sub

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Dagmar:

...but without diddling the conf file, it just won't bother making any sound out of the rear or center or LFE

[08:33:10]

Kevorkian:

no reason to send a 12khz signal to a speaker that cant reproduce it

[08:33:40]

Kevorkian:

rear or center I would understand .. but not using teh sub .. thats .. just wrong

[08:33:58]

Kevorkian:

especialy if the speakers are taking an analouge input

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Dagmar:

Yeah especially since I have like this vast collection of carefully encoded weird-ass ambient

[08:34:39]

Dagmar:

But basically, it's like two stanzas of stuff that don't amount to 20 lines to make say, and SBLive 5.1 card actually *use* all six speakers

[08:35:05]

Dagmar:

...and then a tiny stanza to fix the "other" thing.... That the "Master" volume control isn't really.

[08:35:05]

Kevorkian:

OH .. wait a second .. your sending it digital to the speakers

[08:35:10]

Dagmar:

No, I'm not.

[08:35:18]

Dagmar:

Not an AUdigy

[08:35:43]

Dagmar:

I was working with two differnt sound cards trying to sort this out until I figured out how unintelligent it is

[08:35:47]

Kevorkian:

so then there is really no way to control what goes to the sub

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Dagmar:

An ALC850 integrated with 7.1 output, and an SBLive 5.1

[08:36:12]

Dagmar:

There actually is.

[08:36:35]

Dagmar:

You can, within ALSA, route a half-volume copy of the left channel and a half-volume copy of the right channel to the sub

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Kevorkian:

for a prologic , which is the best you can do with a simple left and rigth analouge , there is no sub chan

[08:37:31]

Dagmar:

I'm hoping to find something to do automatic volume adjustment with LADSPA

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Kevorkian:

or am I confused with how your connected to the speakers ?

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: You really don't want to be putting full-range audio to a seperate speaker / sub arrangement.

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Dibblah:

Dagmar: I'd suggest looking at duffroomcorrection, if you haven't already.

[08:40:31]

sambiase:

hi..im trying to configure mythtv .. im running Suse 10.2 ... is there any good page I could read a step by step?

[08:41:26]

** Kevorkian pokes sambiase http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page **

[08:41:26]

Tanthrix:

sambiase: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Opensuse . . . Installation

[08:41:37]

sambiase:

thanksss

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Tanthrix:

sambiase: First hit on google for Suse 10.2 mythtv ;)

[08:42:36]

Tanthrix:

Looks rather extensive too, so you should be good to go.

[08:42:47]

sambiase:

well...that page i have already read...but is still a bit confusing...like now I cant start MySql..i get a list of errors...but yesterday i could

[08:43:09]

Tanthrix:

(I said that last comment jokingly of course, something always goes wrong)

[08:43:27]

Kevorkian:

NEVER .. WIKI DOCS ARE ALLWAYS CORRECT

[08:43:38]

Kevorkian:

do not bad type the wiki

[08:43:46]

sambiase:

well..i actually want to use myth with my DVB-t device....

[08:44:14]

** Tanthrix modifies replaces the Suse install guide with a page that says MythTV doesn't run on Suse, only Amiga systems, and only ones powered by hampsters **

[08:44:59]

Kevorkian:

dont forget .. it must be a brown hampster , the multi colored ones are just too weak.

[08:45:06]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[08:45:14]

Tanthrix:

Off to bed, thanks Dagmar and Kevorkian on the db info

[08:46:07]

Kevorkian:

sambiase, perhaps if you were to throw them errors into a pastebin of some sort we could look at them and then tell you to go read the mysql docs.

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Tanthrix:

lol

[08:46:36]

** Kevorkian shrugs **

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Tanthrix:

Now I'm really going to bed

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sambiase:

right..this is the error i get... when trying to mysql start ... ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)

[08:49:36]

Kevorkian:

while trying to start mysql ?

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sambiase:

... /etc/init.d/mysql start

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Kevorkian:

I didnt think that it tried to connect to itself when it started

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sambiase:

i tried to run mysqladmin... but i get the same error..that it cant connect to local MySql

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sambiase:

weard

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Kevorkian:

in place of start .. try status

[08:52:43]

Kevorkian:

what does it say

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gbee:

mysql or mysqld ?

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Kevorkian:

the init is mysql

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Kevorkian:

if he was running it direct it would be d

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sambiase:

umm..now it works...i typed .. service mysqld restart

[08:54:09]

sambiase:

weard that i had to restart the service in order to make it working

[08:57:54]

sambiase:

ok...a question then... when one configure MySql tro work with MythTv,.u have to do that as ROOT... can I run than mythtvsetup as a normal user instead as root even though i configured MySql as root?

[08:58:22]

juski:

sambiase: there's a big difference between mysql users & linux users

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Kevorkian:

you dont need to configure mysql as root

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sambiase:

Kevorkian: well..in the page u gave me says that u have to be root

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juski:

prolly means the root mysql user

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Kevorkian:

there may be things you need to do as root .. but mysql does not need to run as root ..

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juski:

because only the root mysql user can create databases, change permissions etc by default

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hads:

Well, it needs to be started as root.

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** Kevorkian looks at hads sideways **

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juski:

you mean you need to be rooty to start init scripts :)

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Kevorkian:

the db will work the same if you start it as joebob user , or as root

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sambiase:

right...but when i run mythtvsetup as normal user i get a loootttsss of errors...but that does not happen when i run mythtvsetup as root

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hads:

No nessecarily. I mean it likely needs to be started as root to access it's logging directories and drop permissions.

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Kevorkian:

thats anothe rpet peve of mine .. I think it sould be a capatial offence to not use syslog on a unix type system

[09:04:20]

juski:

I can see it's going to be difficult for me to stay cool today

[09:04:56]

Kevorkian:

rumor is mid 80's here in ny latter

[09:05:19]

juski:

oh I mean cool as in calm & collected

[09:05:38]

Kevorkian:

why for ?? anothe user requestion a feature ?

[09:06:58]

juski:

the unclued wandering in not having read or understood the docs

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Kevorkian:

not having read is a reason for teh clue bat. not understanding is permitted , as long as they have at least tried

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padd173:

Which is better? Knoppmyth or Minimyth?

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hads:

Yes

[09:08:20]

juski:

better? horses for courses

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Kevorkian:

you need to define what you mean by 'better' ..

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juski:

minimyth is only for frontends

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padd173:

oh

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padd173:

knoppmyth then

[09:08:53]

juski:

if minimyth supports your hardware, it's way better IMHO.. if a frontend is all you need

[09:09:09]

padd173:

i need a full system

[09:09:15]

padd173:

a backend basically

[09:09:22]

padd173:

backend only

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Kevorkian:

padd173, how did you hear of minimyth ?

[09:09:42]

padd173:

i saw it on the mythtv website

[09:10:20]

padd173:

http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Web_Li . . . nk&cid=3

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Kevorkian:

just wondering .. cause the first result for 'minimyth' on google is the following line ..

[09:10:21]

Kevorkian:

LinPVR.org

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Kevorkian:

MiniMyth is a small Linux distribution that turns a diskless computer into a MythTV frontend. As of 2007-04–14, the latest version of MiniMyth contains

[09:10:25]

padd173:

here

[09:10:57]

padd173:

Yes

[09:11:07]

padd173:

I should've done my research first before asking here

[09:11:14]

juski:

no shit, sherlock!

[09:11:37]

Kevorkian:

it would have been more efficient for you , is all im saying

[09:12:19]

Kevorkian:

it was at least 60 seconds from the time you joined to the time you got the info that minimyth was a front end only.

[09:12:33]

Kevorkian:

you could have goton the same info from google in less then 3

[09:13:05]

Kevorkian:

I didnt not even take into account the time required to launch / connect / join the chan.

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sambiase:

hi again...im now configuring mythtv.... my DVB-T card is recognized by MythTv...but now... what should I choose as Video source?

[09:15:28]

sambiase:

XMLTV listings grabber

[09:16:18]

hads:

Depending on where you are

[09:16:23]

sambiase:

sweden

[09:16:32]

juski:

Kevorkian: that link is ancient!

[09:16:46]

Kevorkian:

oh sheet

[09:16:53]

Kevorkian:

sambiase, ignore my link

[09:17:15]

juski:

I wish peeps would delete old info

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Kevorkian:

needs to be replaced by new info before you can delete the old

[09:18:14]

juski:

the ethics gradient site is all obsolete info now

[09:18:29]

juski:

but they paved the way for the methods mythtv uses now :)

[09:18:38]

sambiase:

now...great...i could search for channels

[09:18:49]

juski:

those were the days.. mythtv 0.15

[09:18:56]

gardenhermit:

has anyone seen dopester lately?

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Kevorkian:

would that question be better directed at nickserv ?

[09:21:03]

juski:

!seen dopester

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MythLogBot:

dopester was last seen 119 days 11 hours 53 minutes 46 seconds ago

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hads:

A while

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juski:

!seen kelerion

[09:21:22]

MythLogBot:

kelerion was last seen 152 days 17 hours 8 minutes 55 seconds ago

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gardenhermit:

Kevorkian: true ;)

[09:21:34]

Kevorkian:

!seen my_feet

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MythLogBot:

my_feet has not been seen here

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sambiase:

i dont get...now .. when clicking on Watch TV .. i get.. could not connect to the master backend

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sambiase:

whyyy?

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Kevorkian:

because mythtv-backend isnt running ?

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sambiase:

ummm...how to make that running then?

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Kevorkian:

well .. if there is an initscrpt for it ..

[09:25:19]

Kevorkian:

then /ets/nit.d/mythtv-backend start

[09:25:28]

Kevorkian:

s/ets/etc

[09:25:36]

Kevorkian:

and s/nit/init

[09:25:47]

Kevorkian:

or something like that ..

[09:25:57]

Kevorkian:

at least thats what I would do to try and start it

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sambiase:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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sambiase:

Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page

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sambiase:

of the general settings.

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hads:

invoke-rc.d should work

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sambiase:

this is what i got when i ran /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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pat_:

have you read any documentation on how to set up mythtv?

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pat_:

mythtv-setup

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MindHack:

fresh install, deb etch system, Im finding that new recordings will create a recording .nuv file with appropriate numbers and such at my specified loation : /mythtv/recordings, however all files remain at 4k in filesize. Anyone run accross this issue before?

[10:12:28]

hads:

What tuner?

[10:12:39]

MindHack:

pvr-150mce

[10:13:06]

MindHack:

channel scanning works

[10:13:48]

hads:

What type of card is it set up as in mythtv-setup?

[10:14:23]

MindHack:

probed info field says WinTV PVR-150

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MindHack:

pointing gmplayer at /dev/video0 works too

[10:15:17]

hads:

What 'Card type' is it set up as in mythtv-setup?

[10:15:30]

MindHack:

analog V4L capture card

[10:15:40]

hads:

That's not correct

[10:15:40]

MindHack:

crap

[10:15:43]

MindHack:

your right

[10:16:47]

MindHack:

restarted backend, so far new filesize is hovering at 0, guess I'll watch it for a while

[10:22:49]

MindHack:

with the card-type set to the mpg setting (pvr-x50), now it produces 0-filesize files. Any ideas?

[10:23:03]

juski:

tested the card actually _works_ in linux?

[10:23:34]

MindHack:

well, I can watch the channel scanner actuall function if I point mplayer to /dev/video0

[10:23:45]

MindHack:

so I know there's output in that regard

[10:24:17]

juski:

the channel scanner? mythtv's scanner?

[10:24:23]

MindHack:

yup

[10:24:31]

juski:

er.. not a good idea

[10:24:40]

hads:

Can you watch video?

[10:24:44]

MindHack:

hmm, does it hold the file from others? hmm

[10:24:50]

Kevorkian:

can you watch live tv ?

[10:25:09]

MindHack:

through mythweb, no, it goes black for about 10 seconds and falls back to the menu

[10:25:13]

MindHack:

er

[10:25:16]

MindHack:

mythfrontend*

[10:25:25]

juski:

check mythtv-setup again

[10:25:31]

juski:

stop the backend & check mythtv-setup

[10:25:39]

hads:

cat /dev/whatever then play it?

[10:25:43]

Kevorkian:

make sure the car type is mpeg2 .. and that the connections are correct

[10:25:52]

Kevorkian:

card*

[10:26:02]

juski:

when you change a setting in mythtv you have to go all the way through until FINISH or the changes won't be stored

[10:26:23]

MindHack:

juski: changes seem to have held

[10:26:54]

juski:

can the user mythtv runs as access /dev/video0 ?

[10:27:34]

MindHack:

hmm, restarting backend this time created a new recording file (this time with timestamp at 27 minutes after the hour), but now Ive got 10 megs in it, working now

[10:27:45]

MindHack:

maybe the mplayer instance was blocking the device?

[10:27:49]

juski:

what I generally do to test mythtv after a setting change is to start mythbackend in a terminal, then run mythfrontend on my desktop & look for errors

[10:28:01]

juski:

MindHack: you can't share video devices between apps

[10:28:15]

MindHack:

noted, thanks for the assistance

[10:28:15]

juski:

only one can use the device at a time!

[10:28:19]

hads:

Yes, an app locks the device from use by others.

[10:28:36]

juski:

no easy way around that either, before you ask ;)

[10:29:11]

MindHack:

I dont need to ever do that again though, so it doesn't matter to me

[10:29:20]

juski:

til next time :-P

[10:29:33]

MindHack:

just wanted to watch this show while I got it working :p

[10:29:46]

MindHack:

but now that its working, I know Im not missing anything

[10:30:12]

MindHack:

been pounding on this new deb box for days, I miss gentoo :p

[10:30:50]

juski:

lol. I miss gentoo like I'd miss genital warts

[10:31:42]

MindHack:

did you ever emerge --newuse --deep dev-deseases/genital-warts?

[10:31:47]

directhex|work:

nothing says "i r teh admin" like frame pointers being omitted!

[10:32:15]

Kevorkian:

if people would learn the concepts behind a command insted of just a command. Then they would be able to switch distros much more easily.

[10:32:53]

MindHack:

Im not a fan of ricing either, but I actually found getting anything to work in gentoo easier than in ubuntu or debian, seems counter-intuitive

[10:34:15]

directhex|work:

usually that's a critical process error, which points back to what Kevorkian said

[10:35:01]

MindHack:

not forcing the user to ensure proper setup? Yeah, perhaps you're right

[10:35:23]

juski:

heh. users are a pox. discuss

[10:35:30]

directhex|work:

juski, agreed!

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hads:

Discuss. Just not here.

[10:36:19]

Kevorkian:

Ok .. no talking about users ..

[10:36:26]

directhex|work:

MindHack, out of curiosity, how would gentoo have prevented you from setting "Analog V4L Capture Card"?

[10:36:33]

Kevorkian:

Perhaps .. hmmm .. lircd would be a better subject

[10:36:54]

hads:

How about using MythTV?

[10:37:16]

Kevorkian:

on mythtv-users ?? have you gone mad ?

[10:37:21]

MindHack:

directhex|work: it wouldn't have, Im referring to a few other daemons Ive had to muck with.

[10:37:29]

juski:

on-topic?! get outta here!

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Kevorkian:

hads is smoking some storng stuff ..

[10:37:48]

Kevorkian:

and NOT SHARING

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MindHack:

directhex|work: well, I take that back. I spent a while mucking with apache, bind, and dhcpd, because the config files are split in deb but are more monolothic in gentoo, and it took me forever to get that sorted. Most of my issues were with beryl, but thats my issue for using such an uneccessary taxing package....

[10:40:37]

Kevorkian:

huh ??

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Kevorkian:

how does the config files in appache differ from gentoo to ded ?

[10:41:13]

hads:

conf.d

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directhex|work:

apache2 doesn't use a conf.d

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directhex|work:

well. it has one, but it's empty

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MindHack:

I recall a single httpd.conf in gentoo, but that may have changed. In deb they made this ports file where all the listen statements are, and I just didn't notice it, so sticking listen diretived in the apache2.conf caused conflicts and confusing errors

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hads:

directhex|work: mods-enabled, sites-enabled etc.

[10:42:40]

hads:

It's not a standard httpd.conf file anyway.

[10:42:43]

directhex|work:

i think that's kinda neat :x

[10:43:13]

MindHack:

I dream of a single organization "funded by shuttleworth, we'll force him at gunpoint" that does nothing but maintain a "universal package manager" that has all the features of apt and portage, think it will work?

[10:43:27]

MindHack:

directhex|work: I might grow to like it :)

[10:43:36]

hads:

directhex|work: Didn't say it wasn't. Just saying that it exists.

[10:43:49]

directhex|work:

the funny thing about $debian is you can assume absolutely everything is done for your benefit, since getting any consensus from a thousand poorly socialized developers with aspergers means something MUST be good

[10:44:14]

directhex|work:

strange at first glance, frequently, but generally for the Greater Good

[10:44:20]

Kevorkian:

assburgers .. heheh

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hads:

Just because it's done for you benefit doesn't mean it benefits you.

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MindHack:

<-- diagnosed last week

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MindHack:

:)

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Kevorkian:

assburger is the new adhd

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MindHack:

indeed

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MindHack:

couldn't agree more

[10:45:22]

MindHack:

although I got diagnosed with both :/

[10:45:50]

Kevorkian:

the term should just be "FUCKING GEEK"

[10:45:53]

Kevorkian:

and be done with it

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hads:

*yawn*

[10:46:00]

MindHack:

nice

[10:47:10]

Kevorkian:

I dunno .. I just hate putting lables on people that way.

[10:47:28]

MindHack:

me too

[10:48:03]

directhex|work:

i like gluing captions to them, if that counts

[10:48:07]

MindHack:

Im convinced my issue matches bipolarism if anything, but psychs have all got these fancy colored questionairs with questions that match everyone on the planet

[10:49:17]

Kevorkian:

and dont forget the big book of numbers .. when you no longer are joe or mike .. but you become a client with 80567.37 with a subset of 987304.09

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MindHack:

why floats?

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Kevorkian:

the FIX for 80567.37 being drug 37

[10:50:04]

MindHack:

arent people better described by ints?

[10:50:14]

MindHack:

or are you diagnosing 13/47 of a person at a time?

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** directhex|work assigns "INVISIBLE SYNDROME" to MindHack and "IM IN UR BRAIN, PRESCRIBING UR MEDS" to Kevorkian **

[10:50:43]

MindHack:

lol

[10:51:29]

Kevorkian:

phyc diagnoses are floats

[10:51:36]

directhex|work:

and "I R SERIOUS hads, THIS R SERIOUS CHAN" to hads

[10:51:48]

directhex|work:

so. who's familiar with the guts of ffmpeg?

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gardenhermit:

before you go on discussing your insanities, remember this channel is publically logged ;)

[10:51:51]

gardenhermit:

g'night

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Kevorkian:

you say that as if there is anything on the intraweb tubes that isnt.

[10:52:41]

MindHack:

its all good, Im cloaked

[10:52:46]

MindHack:

not that that matters

[10:53:10]

** Kevorkian shows MindHack the pretty computers at fort mead **

[10:54:00]

MindHack:

yeah, Im sure the NSA is an exception, but they wouldn't need to break crpyto to look inside freenode

[10:55:48]

MindHack:

oooh, neat, I was ass-uming you were referring to client-id numbers

[10:56:15]

MindHack:

302.82 – Voyeurism <-- wow

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MindHack:

302.2 <- Pedophilia, even more amazing

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Kevorkian:

302.49 .. need to find a list of women with that

[10:59:58]

MindHack:

that must be the reson all these insurance db's keep getting broken into

[11:22:47]

juski:

damnit! nuvexport --transcode 'died early' yesterday, now I get a message saying 'ffmpeg died early' too.

[11:24:38]

samesame:

juski: try looking at the ffmpeg source code for relevant bugs

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samesame:

+nuvexport

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juski:

why?

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juski:

there's no fecking way I'm going to look at the ffmpeg source code. jesus

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samesame:

u might be able to track down the reason why it died early

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samesame:

ok

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directhex|work:

ffmpeg's source is sky

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directhex|work:

icky

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directhex|work:

how did i get sky from icky? O_o

[11:27:05]

samesame:

?

[11:27:08]

juski:

I'm a tad pissed off that it's failed twice at 99% after such a long period of time but I draw the line shortly after that

[11:27:42]

juski:

I have a script that uses mencode in 2-pass mode. I'll stick with that. worked in 1-pass mode :)

[11:27:49]

juski:

not like I do a lot of transcoding

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juski:

watch more, keep less is my motto :)

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** samesame fantasizes about mythtv .30 **

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MindHack:

where can I get a features list?

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directhex|work:

MindHack, plug your brain-jack into an infotube and download the source from the holographic 3d website!

[11:39:21]

gbee:

samesame: 5 years away

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gbee:

at least at the current rate of development and without jumping version numbers

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directhex|work:

that soon?

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MindHack:

directhex|work: I was referring to 0.3, I figured since he mentioned it it may have been the current dev version cooking ;p

[11:41:07]

gbee:

0.3 was 4 years ago

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MindHack:

here I am staring at the track thinking "where is it!"

[11:41:23]

gbee:

were working on 0.21 now

[11:41:23]

MindHack:

gbee: not in decimal notation :p

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directhex|work:

it's not decimal, it's a version number

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MindHack:

I know guys ;0

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** directhex|work has versioned something 0.cake before, to annoy people like MindHack **

[11:42:09]

MindHack:

heh, whatever it takes to drive the point home

[11:42:16]

directhex|work:

now, someone fix my krb5

[11:48:05]

gbee:

hmm, so Panasonic have veiled a 12.2 Megapixel camera – with 27Mb internal memory. Why bother at all with that 27Mb when it wouldn't hold more than ten images at that resolution?

[11:50:53]

Hugolp:

gbee: because of marketing

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Dibblah:

gbee: Because it's cheaper than putting a memory card in the box.

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gbee:

Dibblah: I know that it comes down to cost, it all seems petty when they could put £2 on the price and bundle a 1Gb SD Card

[12:02:49]

gbee:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7582/idletimerfv5.png

[12:03:40]

juski:

gbee: lol saw that

[12:05:17]

juski:

hurry up with 0.21 anyway! Tanthrix wants it NOW

[12:09:31]

Dibblah:

gbee: Hmmm. I can see use-cases where that'd be annoying.

[12:09:57]

gbee:

Dibblah: it's optional but I might not even commit it as Isaac doesn't like the idea

[12:10:23]

gbee:

however it's a must have feature for my parents

[12:10:52]

Dibblah:

An example would be setting up a playlist for the kids and just letting it run.

[12:10:59]

juski:

shudder

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Dibblah:

(No, I don't have kids and am not that lazy)

[12:11:06]

juski:

mythtv != babysitter

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juski:

I don't have kids yet but I hope when I do I'm not one of those parents

[12:11:42]

directhex|work:

juski, is right, mythtv != babysitter

[12:11:46]

directhex|work:

that's the xbox's job

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MindHack:

I was once working on an app with that functionality, but alas, school sucks

[12:12:13]

gbee:

Dibblah: actually kids are one case where I think some people would find it useful – i.e. any user group which can't remember to leave LiveTV before turning off the TV

[12:12:16]

Dibblah:

What? A computerised babysitter?

[12:12:39]

Dibblah:

Why does Isaac object?

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gbee:

it's only enabled for livetv

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juski:

you know how many people compained of having burnt-in 'Cbeebies' logos on their plasmas? loads

[12:13:09]

Dibblah:

Sell 'em an anti-cbeebies DVD ;)

[12:13:32]

MindHack:

heh, an inverse image that burns in all neighboring pixels

[12:14:11]

juski:

gbee: I'd be inclined to agree with Isaac

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gbee:

which is fine, unless like my Dad they can't remember to do it (he's a stroke victim)

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Dibblah:

I wouldn't add it as an enabled default.

[12:15:03]

juski:

be quite easy to rustle something up, I'd imagine

[12:15:52]

juski:

oh wait! already is. coolness

[12:16:16]

juski:

make it optional.. if isaac objects just fork!

[12:17:26]

gbee:

I'm only doing it because a) it saves power b) it won't cause recordings to expire by recording 5 hours of tv shopping or the off-air mheg

[12:17:57]

juski:

we should all be aiming to save power anyway

[12:18:28]

gbee:

I'm even happy to make it a hidden setting – 0 minutes disables it etc

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juski:

for what is costs in terms of code & db space to accomplish I don't see what the beef is

[12:19:23]

gbee:

I've picked 90 minutes for my own case, because I can't imagine my parents going 90 minutes without pressing any keys e.g. mute

[12:19:42]

juski:

I wouldn't mind a similar thing to kick my frontend out of the watch recordings menu. I like the vid. previews but my wife tends to leave it there for hours, burning cpu

[12:20:29]

juski:

plasma owners have long bemoaned the lack of a myth screensaver feature too

[12:20:50]

gbee:

juski: that's one of my other ideas – something that would return to the main menu after a period of inactivity and when not watching or listening to anything

[12:22:15]

Dibblah:

A "myth" screensaver?

[12:22:25]

Dibblah:

What's wrong with xscreensaver and friends?

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juski:

I;m not suggesting there should be a mythscreensaver

[12:31:47]

janneg:

Dibblah: in the context of plasma displays, random OSD theme at random offsets und online logo detection and removal

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juski:

random OSD theme? eew

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juski:

just don't leave the OSD too long :)

[12:35:16]

Dibblah:

Yeah, logo detection is so easy these days ;)

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juski:

reverse infinite persistence :)

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david__:

Hello all.

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david__:

It is possible to desactivate the live tv recording for the playback option ;/

[12:41:54]

david__:

Thanks in advance.

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juski:

huh?

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juski:

you mean _filter_ the livetv _recording_ _group_ ? ;)

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david__:

mmmm

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david__:

because my backend have some stability problem he cant be stable for 1 day ;/ ... and how can i see it is because the LiveTV cant close his recording when we change channel

[12:44:53]

david__:

so i want to disable the playback option... (recording)

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david__:

it is possible ..

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juski:

it's not possible to disable the recording of live tv

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david__:

okay thanks.

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juski:

apparently my colleague's MCE box has been on the gin today. it's recording ' North West Tonight' at the moment – which is clever a) because NW tonight isn't on until 6.30pm and b) nothing is scheduled to record today

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directhex|work:

must be the fault of those lazy linux developers. most things are

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juski:

apparently the more he uses MCE the more he dislikes it

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juski:

got a laptop with mce preinstalled & just assumed he'd be able to talk to his main mce box.. hahahahahaha hahahaha hahaha

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juski:

actually saw mce on saturday up close. seems great but sluggish once you start to drill down into menus. seems folks' criticisms of mythtv are unfair when a so-called 'premium' product perfoms much less well

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juski:

nothing I didn't already 'know' but great to confirm it in person :D

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TSCHAKWerk:

hello

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juski:

evening

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goregutz:

howdy

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goregutz:

its morning here :/

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TSCHAKWerk:

amazing thing, time zones

[13:13:54]

goregutz:

it can be different times, all at the same time

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TSCHAKWerk:

"The only reason for time is so that everyt

[13:14:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

hing doesn't happen at once" — Buckaroo Banzai

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-D

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goregutz:

heh

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leOn:

hello

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leOn:

can anyone advise me on a good case which can old a micro-atx board and a standard atx psu? i'd be interested either on fanless cases or with 120mm fans

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warlord:

Tanthrix: you still around? I noticed in the logs that you use firewire. I'm having trouble with my firewire and was hoping you could help me?

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** juski hides incase somebody realises he uses mythtv & asks for hand-holding with that **

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MindHack:

juski: I cant figure out how to select a menu item

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MindHack:

I mean, I can highlight it with the arrow keys, but just how exactly do I "chose" it?

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opello:

hit enter? right arrow?

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MindHack:

opello: sarcasm ;)

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opello:

:p

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opello:

it's har to tell in here? :)

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MindHack:

although, funny thing is, had you told me that about a year ago I wouldn't have known about the right arrow. That took me a couple of months to figure out at first

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warlord:

juski: will you hold my hand?? ;)

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opello:

hard*

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: would you rather us harrass you about Neon-Wide? :-D

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juski:

been using mythtv getting on for 3 years & I hadn't realised you could press R in the programme finder to set a recording up

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: yeah – my ignore list is still too short

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: ;-)

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juski:

and it's neon-wide, not Neon-Wide FYI :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

nice to know you're awake :-P

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opello:

heh

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juski:

ProjectGheyhem-wide is almost ready for a rerelease

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TSCHAKWerk:

I like that one too

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TSCHAKWerk:

I need to set aside some time to debug the other screens

[14:00:06]

juski:

it's changing www.juski.co.uk/new.png

[14:00:07]

TSCHAKWerk:

like the game list

[14:00:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

which, I finally found a way around the mismatched MAME game problem

[14:00:38]

juski:

TSCHAKWerk: it just uses the default-wide game-ui.xml file

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Redth:

juski: looking good

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TSCHAKWerk:

I turned off indepth game scan, imported, and hacked together a ruby script that slammed the SQL updates into the database with the full game names

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TSCHAKWerk:

voila, instant proper MAME support :-P

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juski:

PG – the 4:3 theme before & after www.juski.co.uk/compare.png

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: ok looks like i need to fix that then.

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: i wonder why nobody noticed before?

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: eh?

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TSCHAKWerk:

ooo that looks beautiful, juski

[14:02:32]

juski:

if any theme doesn't have an xml file for a plugin, a default is used

[14:02:47]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: yeah, but that means default is fooked.. and I wonder why nobody noticed that.

[14:02:57]

juski:

dunno

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juski:

nobody notices a lot of things

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'll fix it

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juski:

more likely is plenty people noticed but nobody could be arsed to report it or fix it

[14:04:03]

TSCHAKWerk:

i'll fix it

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TSCHAKWerk:

it bugs the hell out of me

[14:04:09]

juski:

a bit like the jaggy default theme graphics I revamped recently :)

[14:04:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

you mean people still use the default theme?

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TSCHAKWerk:

;-)

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juski:

a few themes use default graphics

[14:04:52]

TSCHAKWerk:

oh yeah...

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gbee:

juski: really need to get your themes into svn :)

[14:05:04]

juski:

retro, mythcenter, mythcenter-wide, G.A.N.T. ... blue ...

[14:05:09]

TSCHAKWerk:

yes, and make one of them default

[14:05:10]

TSCHAKWerk:

please dear god

[14:05:24]

TSCHAKWerk:

make neon-wide default, just to be instigatory

[14:05:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

hehehe

[14:05:26]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-D

[14:06:17]

gbee:

some of the themes already in SVN either need to be re-imagined or ditched imho – but I won't say which

[14:06:30]

TSCHAKWerk:

blue

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TSCHAKWerk:

blue blue blue blue *cough*

[14:06:54]

gbee:

actually that wouldn't be at the top of my list :)

[14:07:09]

directhex|work:

blootube ;)

[14:07:16]

TSCHAKWerk:

(it should be renamed We Todd Ed)

[14:07:26]

TSCHAKWerk:

(wouldn't that be a cool name for a band?) :-D

[14:08:00]

gbee:

we still need a couple of really lightweight themes, but even those could stand some work

[14:08:47]

TSCHAKWerk:

make one called "Phosphor" that looks like a VT100

[14:08:48]

TSCHAKWerk:

hehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[14:09:22]

TSCHAKWerk:

a curses mythtv frontend with libcaca video output :-D

[14:10:12]

juski:

gbee: how light? rip the watermarks out of any theme, or rezise them to 16x16 – bingo!

[14:10:29]

juski:

have only one background image.. bingo

[14:10:57]

TSCHAKWerk:

Spacecataz theme, ATHF FTW :-D

[14:11:02]

juski:

I could do a couple, & try to make them look okish

[14:11:19]

TSCHAKWerk:

or just make one called PONG

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** TSCHAKWerk smacks self for being too demented **

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juski:

bugger. saved me the joy

[14:12:33]

TSCHAKWerk:

well i mean, think about it, it's all just straight lines and a dot

[14:12:40]

gbee:

juski: heh, something with low enough memory usage compared to the other themes that those trying to run a frontend on their toaster feel like they've achieved something by using it

[14:12:45]

juski:

so gbee a non-sucky isthmus? ;)

[14:12:50]

TSCHAKWerk:

you could do some serious modern art in a mythtv theme with that :-P

[14:14:50]

gbee:

wasn't isthmus another name for retro-osd or something like that? I can't remember now

[14:16:08]

juski:

anyway whatever was crowned the lowest memory footprint of all the themes. sucks IMHO

[14:16:11]

juski:

visually I mean

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juski:

not that my themes are sposed to be the epitome of good taste.. gawd no

[14:16:42]

gbee:

Iulius – yeah could use something, but I don't know what (apart from images)

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juski:

but for a low mem footprint you want fewer images

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gbee:

juski: aye, was joking about the images

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juski:

maybe it's less sucky now I've reworked the default images...

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gbee:

which reminds me, need to backport that last bunch

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juski:

hometime I reckon

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juski:

gonna get on bulding my lcd stand tonight

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TSCHAKWerk:

w00t take a pic when it's done :-D

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leOn:

can anyone advise me on a good case which can old a micro-atx board and a standard atx psu? i'd be interested either on fanless cases or with 120mm fans

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TSCHAKWerk:

leOn: anyone here can correct me, but... I don't....think...that's possible.

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, why not?

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TSCHAKWerk:

don't they use different power connectors?

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directhex|work:

no

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TSCHAKWerk:

or...

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TSCHAKWerk:

nevermind

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TSCHAKWerk:

duh

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TSCHAKWerk:

thinking of something else

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directhex|work:

mATX is just smaller. fewer PCI(e) connectors

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TSCHAKWerk:

*smack-self*

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gardenhermit:

atx cases can hold micro-atx boards as well ;)

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directhex|work:

indeed

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david__:

he have a way to solve some problem in MythTV ... when i go in the Tv Guide (DataGrid) and i look my media box freeze.... (im with a StarChoice connected with IR) ...

[14:34:29]

warlord:

You might try a 12V power supply. Maybe something like http://www.mini-box.com/PW-200M-DC-DC-power-s . . . ;category=13

[14:34:42]

leOn:

i've seen some cool cases, but why the hell do they insist on putting 60mm fans on them?

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MindHack:

if it sounds like a jet engine, its sexy

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warlord:

it's sexy, sure, but makes a horrible frontend set top box.

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directhex|work:

leOn, because nobody cares about low-noise cases!

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directhex|work:

leOn, if you can hear it, your speakers are too quiet!

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fysa:

pcalchemy.com has a decent selection of cases.

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MindHack:

I require all of my machines to hum along

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gardenhermit:

s/speakers/domestic death metal band/

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MindHack:

if they dont, I get the vibe they are plotting against me

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david__:

;/

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fysa:

But at this point..

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fysa:

to be honest, I think I'd go with something like this:

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fysa:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/25/matrox-unv . . . cs-extender/

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fysa:

820 feet firewire/USB/DVI extender.

[14:38:27]

fysa:

HDMI too maybe?

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warlord:

leOn: I got this case and just removed the power supply: http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/33

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** TSCHAKWerk is happy with his Zalman HD160 **

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directhex|work:

mac mini!

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fysa:

that's probably a little pricey.

[14:40:07]

directhex|work:

but cute!

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directhex|work:

do not underestimate the power of cutestation

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dr_willis:

wonder if theres a mythtv-client port for that apple-tv yet.

[14:40:43]

fysa:

oh the mini? I'd love to use a mini as a frontend.

[14:41:07]

fysa:

there were problems with IR or SPDIF pass-through or some such?

[14:41:22]

fysa:

in OS X mythfrontend, anyway..

[14:41:27]

fysa:

you could always just put linux on it.

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directhex|work:

OSX? yeah, like real people run OSX

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fysa:

I run OS X for my work environment now. Nothing beats QuickSilver. :)

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dr_willis:

never heard of it. :)

[14:42:37]

dr_willis:

guess i dont need it.

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directhex|work:

dr_willis, wuicksilver is an old model of g4 tower, iirc

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dr_willis:

Been Digging through my old amiga stuff. machines and programs..

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david__:

I have a PVR-250 .... and i got this error in Verbose mode 2007-05–29 09:46:57.061 AO: audio waiting for buffer to fill: have 1024 want 4096

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** TSCHAKWerk has a sizeable amount of amiga stuff as well in storage. **

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dr_willis:

I still havent found a decent clone of DeluxePaint. :)

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david__:

Broadcasting free space avail

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david__:

and the PC freeeze.

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** TSCHAKWerk has an actual Sidecar, what a piece of shit **

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fysa:

no, QuickSilver is the ultimate bastardization of the all-powerful shell and GUI ease.

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c4t3ch:

I searched the mailing list... I could not find information on whether Myth-TV works well on the PS3... Although I did see a site that claimed to have it working... I don't believe the website...

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c4t3ch:

does anyone know if myth tv works well on the ps3?

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warlord:

last I checked the AppleTV is only 720p, not 1080.. So it couldn't drive my TV at full rate.

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fysa:

http://img670.libsyn.com/img670/ed8c815dfd849 . . . ck_hires.mov

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directhex|work:

720p? useless for HD

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fysa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicksilver_(software)

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fysa:

fyi

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directhex|work:

it doesn't have the grunt to play HD content

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dr_willis:

heh – i dont even have a HD tv..

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Zider:

me neither :P

[14:48:24]

dr_willis:

and it will be a very COLD day befor i get a blueray (or whatever they are called) player.

[14:48:47]

c4t3ch:

I bought a 24 inch LCD monitor... I find it looks better than my Sony 52 inch

[14:48:55]

c4t3ch:

when playing ps3

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warlord:

I like my new sony 40" Bravia

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Zider:

I want that 108" LCD

[14:49:43]

Zider:

or a similar sized OLED

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Zider:

;)

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c4t3ch:

They are nice tv's... I just find the lcd monitor looks better...

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c4t3ch:

HDMI is great

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Zider:

ah, sharp was the ones that made it

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c4t3ch:

anyone know of a walk through for Myth tv for PS3?

[14:51:13]

warlord:

Unfortunately my computer can't seem to properly lock onto the TV to drive it at 1080p via HDMI.. But I can drive it at 1080p via VGA. Weird.

[14:51:27]

cal:

is there a mythfrontend for palm os 5? =)

[14:51:36]

c4t3ch:

Yeah I had the same problem with my ATI card

[14:52:08]

c4t3ch:

I had to pull out the cable and plug it in... after rebooting

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directhex|work:

c4t3ch, there's no point. ps3 linux has no graphics drivers. myth with no accelerated playback? ick

[14:53:04]

Zider:

http://www.unbeatable.co.uk/articles/sharp-10 . . . s-lcd-hd.jpg yum! :D

[14:53:29]

c4t3ch:

yeah I know frambuffer sucks:( I just wanted to get it going for standard divx files.... or do you guys know of an easier solution? I just want to use my ps3 like Xbox Media Center

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goregutz:

they are starting to port XBMC to linux :)

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directhex|work:

c4t3ch, myth is the wrong project for playing back downloaded movies. and it doesn't help the framebuffer issue

[14:56:01]

c4t3ch:

DLNA sucks cause I have to transcode everything... I lose seeking, and pausing functionality

[14:56:04]

goregutz:

if you arent going to use the dvr feature, you wouldnt really want to use mythtv

[14:56:37]

goregutz:

what about geexbox?

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c4t3ch:

fair enough... Thats all I really needed to hear... Thanks.

[14:57:14]

c4t3ch:

I will research geexbox... I have no idea what it is

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Zider:

hehe, I use mythbox for playing dvds, xvids, music, shoutcast and launching emulators.. but not for the TV recording stuff.. ;)

[14:57:43]

goregutz:

its a HTPC / media center for linux

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Zider:

I didn't like geexbox much

[14:58:01]

goregutz:

from the screenshots, i dont really like geexbox :/

[14:58:19]

fysa:

look at oxine.

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fysa:

http://oxine.sourceforge.net/

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goregutz:

ooh, oxine looks nice

[14:58:51]

Zider:

I really need to slim down my mediacenter

[14:58:57]

fysa:

I haven't gotten it to compile yet — just updated my system and plan on trying it again soon.

[14:59:05]

c4t3ch:

Hey awsome guys thanks for the info!

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goregutz:

xbmc is the best one i've ever used though

[14:59:16]

c4t3ch:

both look good. I will try them both

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dr_willis:

GeeXbox is handy for a Broken Laptop :) and a tv. – add a usb drive with media. and there ya go – play all sorts of things

[14:59:31]

fysa:

I was considering using oxine to replace MythVideo..

[14:59:42]

fysa:

on my machine, anyway.

[14:59:44]

fysa:

;)

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Zider:

by the way, were there some work done on rewriting the mythmusic interface?

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dr_willis:

Zider, yea – that part needs some work. :)

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Zider:

dr_willis: no shit ;)

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Zider:

dr_willis: has anything been done yet or is it just planned?

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dr_willis:

I heard it was planned././ but no idea what work has been done

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Zider:

mkay

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gbee:

Zider: nothing yet – scanning, metadata editor and visualizers have received some treatment by the UI/Playlist Editor hasn't been touched yet

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Zider:

gbee: ach so.. no idea when it might be somewhat released to the public?

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gbee:

Zider: when it's done ;)

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gbee:

if it's done ... I've been sidetracked by other things

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Zider:

gbee: no idea then ;)

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gbee:

Zider: there is no question that mythmusic is in a _much_ better shape than it was a few months ago, but all anyone seems to care about is the UI not stability, speed etc

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Zider:

gbee: I haven't had any speed or stability issues, the UI is what gives me nightmares ;)

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fysa:

indeed

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fysa:

I'm using the itunes-mythmusic sync script so I just need to select a playlist that I build in iTunes..

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gbee:

Zider: believe me, you've had speed issues – like when scanning even if you didn't actually mind waiting 20 minutes for it to finish ;)

[15:13:36]

fysa:

20 minutes? it takes me about 4 hours :)

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Zider:

gbee: ah, well not when playing I mean :)

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kash:

this is OT, but does anyone here have a sprint razr v3m?

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directhex|work:

i avoid moto phones

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** juski wonders how quick the media settings pages take to load these days **

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gardenhermit:

directhex|work: their factory settings seem to be really annoying. it's constantly beeping every few minutes if you negled to read a short message

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directhex|work:

gardenhermit, i avoid moto phones

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juski:

who the hell invented clamshell phones anyway?

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gbee:

juski: faster with the stuff I checked in, but still slower than it could be

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directhex|work:

juski, the smartypants who said "y'know, keylocks suck"

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juski:

ah yeah I can see that now

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juski:

as somebody who's accidentally dialled 999 from my back pocket more times than I care to remember

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kash:

yeah i don't like candybar phones where the screen is exposed

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Zider:

I do

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directhex|work:

i've owned phones from all the main players

[15:20:03]

Zider:

:D

[15:20:11]

directhex|work:

they all suck, but to differing degrees o/

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juski:

I wish they'd do a suppository-sized teenager phone so when I get annoyed by ringtones/musak in public places i can easily shove said phone where the sun doesn't shine

[15:21:06]

directhex|work:

i hate to admit it, but i have a custom ringtone

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directhex|work:

i made it myself!

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juski:

custom tones are one thing.. blaring out your tinny SHIT musak to everybody within a 10 metre radius is not cool!

[15:21:39]

Zider:

I only have NES music on my phone ;)

[15:21:47]

Zider:

filled the space with them :D

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gbee:

juski: actually funny enough back when I was around 7 we had a fortnightly class in the schools workshop, up on the wall was the project work of an older student titled the "phone of the future" it had a model of this wireless phone the size of a wallet which folded in the middle so that the buttons were protected when it was put in a pocket

[15:22:33]

directhex|work:

i used the opening 40 seconds to radiohead's Idiotheque. it has the right properties to be a ringtone

[15:22:47]

juski:

I thought The Crazy Frog was offensive til I got wind of how kids just use their ph0n3z as musak players to annoy adults with

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juski:

gbee: lol

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gbee:

bare in mind that was years before everyone had a mobile phone and even longer before clamshell mobiles were being sold

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directhex|work:

i had a rather early clamshell

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juski:

I remember an April Fools' edition of Saturday Superstore where Phil Schofield demoed this thing about the size of a pack of gum which could hold loads of music & you could take anywhere

[15:23:55]

juski:

that was in line 1988 or something

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kash:

http://www.tv.com/uservideos/?action=video_pl . . . =viduservids

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kash:

_rofl_

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kash:

i like what sean connery does. :)

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directhex|work:

by "early" clamshell i mean "a startac, i.e. the first proper clamshell"

[15:25:29]

** juski goes to get wood **

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Zider:

I never had a clamshell phone.. donotlike..

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directhex|work:

my current phone is a slide, which is a reasonable middle ground

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Zider:

I have my trusty T630 :D

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directhex|work:

i had a z600, which was a clam version of the t630

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Zider:

I haven't found a decent phone in years.. except that black Motorola beauty, which unfortunately is a clamshell..

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directhex|work:

i'm really happy with my phone

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directhex|work:

the last phone i was really happy with was my old nokia 7110

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Zider:

I still miss my Siemens M35i

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kash:

i have a razr with the stock moto firmware

[15:29:40]

Zider:

shoch and water resistant :D

[15:29:48]

kash:

it's not so bad without all the telco branding and modifications, etc.

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directhex|work:

the razr is pretty poorly regarded, other than for looks

[15:30:33]

directhex|work:

much like the lg chocolate which has taken over as the chavphone of choice

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kash:

the razr is horrible because of Verison's slow UI and sprint's cumbersome UI

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Zider:

ah the RAZR V3

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kash:

nah, V3m.

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Zider:

I meant, that's the one I was thinking about

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kash:

if you get one from Alltel, Bell Mobility, or Cricket, they're not bad at all

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Zider:

..I think..

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directhex|work:

kash, assume i only interact with stock or near-as-damnit firmware

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directhex|work:

Zider, the KRZR is the sequel to the RAZR

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kash:

and they're not bad if you get the firmware from Motorola yourself and program in the PRL codes

[15:32:48]

kash:

the KRZR has a stupid name, but it's easier to hold than tht razr.

[15:32:49]

kash:

the*

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Zider:

directhex|work: the KRZR is just ugly

[15:33:06]

directhex|work:

i'd still pick my samsung ahead of either, any day of the week

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kash:

before i had my razr, i had an archaic samsung sph-a740

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directhex|work:

older samsungs were pretty bad

[15:34:04]

kash:

it's nice to have something that does 3gp video, now i watch my TV shows when i'm not at home, and pretty bored

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directhex|work:

i had a t100 which was awful

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Zider:

I use my gp2x for video.. larger screen.. ;)

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kash:

that's not available here :(

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directhex|work:

does the gp2x have the same screen coating issue as the gp32?

[15:35:14]

directhex|work:

kash, what isn't?

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Zider:

kash: does the RAZR play MIDI ringtones?

[15:35:21]

kash:

yes

[15:35:23]

Zider:

directhex|work: coating issue..?

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Zider:

kash: goodie

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directhex|work:

Zider, VERY thin anti-glare coating which started marking after contact with, well, anything, and made things ten times worser

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Zider:

directhex|work: not that I have noticed

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directhex|work:

http://www.samsung.com/uk/products/mobilephon . . . 00eaaxee.asp – there we go, that's my phone

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kash:

i like the usb port on my phone.

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kash:

directhex|work: ah, yes, i've seen those before

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Zider:

ugh :P

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Zider:

I hate round phones like that :P

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Zider:

or, rounded

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directhex|work:

Zider, so D900 for you

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Zider:

directhex|work: no, RAZR :P

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kash:

Zider: you have one?

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directhex|work:

but the razr is a bad phone!

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Zider:

kash: no but I want one

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Zider:

directhex|work: but it looks gooooood

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kash:

directhex|work: no it's not. the software that telco's put on there is bad.

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kash:

plus, he'd be getting the european version, which is GSM

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kash:

Zider: get the v3xx

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directhex|work:

kash, which doesn't happen in europe

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Zider:

kash: ofcourse

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directhex|work:

kash, so i'm already talking about the stock firmware. it's a mediocre phone

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Zider:

kash: not sure which one tho, I'm reading about them on wikipedia now

[15:40:52]

kash:

oh well, i like mine :)

[15:41:17]

kash:

Zider: the v3xx is the best one for GSM providers, or maybe you should just wait for the RAZR2 which runs linux

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Zider:

oh I thought you meant xx as "any number"

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directhex|work:

i've never met a razr owner who wasn't dissatisfied with it

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kash:

nqh

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kash:

directhex|work: i'm not dissatisfied :P

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directhex|work:

and i've had people in mobile phone shops recommending i spend less to avoid it

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juski:

comes to something when sales people advise against it!

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Zider:

kash: V3xx seems to be a 3G phone

[15:42:45]

kash:

it is.

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gardenhermit:

juski: that'd make me buy it

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Zider:

kash: scrap that then :)

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kash:

why not 3G/

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kash:

?

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juski:

gardenhermit: yeah but you're a misanthrope who'd do the opposite of any advice :-P

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Zider:

I don't have 3G

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kash:

all models of the razr are 3G

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Zider:

no?

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kash:

yes.

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kash:

juski: lol remember when we told him not to do rm -rf / ?

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kash:

;D

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Zider:

I know people with RAZRs that uses ordinary SIM cards

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kash:

SIM cards != 3G

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Zider:

I mean, non-3G cards then

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kash:

they don't have "3G sim cards" and "non-3G sim cards"

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kash:

it's all the same

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gardenhermit:

juski: i hate sales people more than the other guys ;)

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juski:

AHHHHHHHH that icon in iulius is supposed to be an AXE!

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Zider:

so how come wikipedia specifically lists "3G models" of RAZR?

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directhex|work:

icon? in iulius? lies!

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kash:

Zider: ok, i'm wrong – there were two 2G models, but they suck hardcore

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juski:

looks more like a top-hat or summink to me

[15:46:08]

Zider:

well since I don't have anything 3G, I can't use a 3G phone, right?

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kash:

no

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Zider:

so scrap the 3G then :P

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kash:

you just won't be able to stream video

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Zider:

now you're confusing ;)

[15:47:12]

kash:

i mean "no" as in "you're wrong" :p

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Zider:

ah

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kash:

i've gotta go do some errands, bbl

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juski:

gbee: iulius could spawn some children very easily and still be light on ram :)

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gbee:

:D

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Zider:

damn, v3xx was expensive :P

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juski:

I've often thought of stripping the number of backgrounds my themes use – neon-wide is a case study in that

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juski:

gbee: but with your patches, there's not much to decide between them. I mean obviously there are still those who'll want to run mythfrontend on a wristwatch but hell...!

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snarkster:

hi

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S2:

hi

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juski:

get a room already you two

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juski:

jeees!

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snarkster:

lol

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gardenhermit:

;)

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snarkster:

can you run mth using twm?

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S2:

yes

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snarkster:

cool thanx

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gardenhermit:

juski: there'll still be people who will want to runmyth on an s100..

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S2:

np

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juski:

gardenhermit: oh like me you mean? :) because my via m10k sucks? prolly

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gbee:

juski: playing about with renaming identical images, I managed to drop ~10Mb off blootube-wide

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gbee:

didn't do a thorough job because it was a bit boring and I also couldn't decide whether there was a real difference between some of the background images

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juski:

gbee: ah there are. I plan to rationalise it sometime

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juski:

really gone off the stupid curves inside screens like watch recordings etc

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gbee:

mepo could benefit from renaming a few images – it has several watermarks etc which are identical but with different filenames

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gbee:

juski: no! I like the curves, carries over the theme from the menus

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gbee:

:)

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gbee:

I mean feel free to change it, maybe it would look better but right now I can't imagine it

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arcil:

hey what distribution do you would recommend to use for mythtv? debian, gentoo, fedora (i also want to run some games on it). i tried knoppmyth and mythdora, but they seem to be kind of fixed, so i thought perhaps a pure distri would help be better. what dou you mean?

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GreyFoxx:

arcil: The only good answer is "whatever distro you know best"

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gbee:

arcil: there is no recommended distro

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gbee:

mandriva, ubuntu, arch, toadstool, suse

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TSCHAKWerk:

what wm do you guys use?

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TSCHAKWerk:

am just curious.

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gbee:

on my dedicated fe/be – ice

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TSCHAKWerk:

ok

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TSCHAKWerk:

makes sense

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squish103:

kde ;/

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gbee:

but ratpoison, fluxbox, kde – they all work

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TSCHAKWerk:

i've used gnome, kde, fvwm, icewm, ratpoison.....

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TSCHAKWerk:

oh yeah and fluxbox...

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snarkster:

which one would you recommend using

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arcil:

ok, thank you guys. i will try it with debian.

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: pick one.

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TSCHAKWerk:

;-)

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snarkster:

right I was just curious

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gbee:

only reason I chose icewm for the be/fe is because it's one of the three that mandriva will install direct from the installation CD

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snarkster:

I havent built my box yet.. but I have digital cable will myth beable to decrypt it

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GreyFoxx:

I use it mostly because it's tiny, very configurable and Iv'e used it since like 99 on desktop machines

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GreyFoxx:

icewm that is

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: in short. _NO_

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gbee:

but really there is no difference what you use, mythtv doesn't care and works the same under all of them

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: pray that they don't 5C the non-local channels over firewire.

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snarkster:

ok thats cool then ill digitize all my dvds and just myth for a media server.

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TSCHAKWerk:

if the wm has a basic clue of wm hints, it will work just fine

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GreyFoxx:

I should start preping my backend to start firewire recording soon

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GreyFoxx:

wonder if I can use my digitalk camera+firewire to fake it it for now :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

GreyFoxx: heheh

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: you may not be out of luck, hook up via firewire and see what happens.

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GreyFoxx:

I'm getting a HDTV stv with dual firewire out when I move to the new house, until now I've never bothered to compile in support for it on my backends

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: for now, my local channels come out as HD and that's good enough for me now.

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snarkster:

doesnt that mean that I have to change the channels on the DVR i already have

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TSCHAKWerk:

std

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-D

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: channel changes go through firewire as well.

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snarkster:

ah

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TSCHAKWerk:

and even when recording to my SD tuner

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TSCHAKWerk:

I use 6200ch to change the channel via firewire.

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snarkster:

I have a Scientific Atlanta DVR from Timewarner..

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TSCHAKWerk:

much much easier

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snarkster:

they have deactivated all the ports on the back of the dvr

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TSCHAKWerk:

there is also a channel changer for the SA units as well, I believe....

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: if needed, you can tell the cable company to enable your firewire.

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juski:

om! just done a mockup to see what the new grayhem-wide would look like with animatioon!

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: they have to comply with that.

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xris:

TSCHAKWerk: with mythtv? why not just let myth do it?

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GreyFoxx:

juski? Got it online so we can all drool ?:)

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TSCHAKWerk:

xris: well, see, I have a hauppauge PVR2 also connected to said cable box.

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xris:

snarkster: dunno if mythtv can (yet) do channel changes over firewire for your box.

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xris:

TSCHAKWerk: ah

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TSCHAKWerk:

xris: i'm duct taping it a bit, so that the PVR2 can change channels :-)

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juski:

GreyFoxx: not yet

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TSCHAKWerk:

because god knows

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TSCHAKWerk:

I DO NOT LIKE HAVING BLASTER WIRES EVERYWHERE!

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GreyFoxx:

Nice, my cable ISP is now testing Docsis 3.0 cable modems and my coworker is gonna be one of the testers. The modems will get up to 140megabit max and have gigabit ethernet ports on them

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TSCHAKWerk:

jesus

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snarkster:

im very excited at the prospect of setting this thing up

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TSCHAKWerk:

i guess you dont' care about the noise, then? :-)

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snarkster:

itll be behind my big screen

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I know it's just fluffy eyecandy and such, but I like animated menu transistions and such especially the mockups of video covers/album covers that "cycle" around and show reflections and such

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: it's fun.. an adventure with its bumps, but it is fun.

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GreyFoxx:

I should read up on OpenGL and look to add more of that to myth

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GreyFoxx:

cause I find it all just so pretty :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

GreyFoxx: openGL animation FTW

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snarkster:

FTW????

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GreyFoxx:

"FTW = For The Win"

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TSCHAKWerk:

snarkster: the server might be a bit loud, not discouraging anything.. it's just a caution i am throwing out there.

[16:19:23]

snarkster:

if its to loud then I have a closet right behind the TV where the cable already runs through .. :)

[16:19:31]

TSCHAKWerk:

ok good

[16:19:55]

TSCHAKWerk:

"did they build an airport near here?"

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TSCHAKWerk:

does anyone use myth with UPnP media boxes?

[16:22:03]

juski:

GreyFoxx: frontrow's gallery effort is pretty damn amazing IMHO

[16:22:28]

GreyFoxx:

juski: I've seen screenshots of it, I love the look of it

[16:22:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: got a url to the animted mockup? :-)

[16:22:37]

GreyFoxx:

I've got a mac at home, but not frontrow on it :)

[16:22:46]

juski:

hahaha I just rendered it as 720p

[16:23:00]

GreyFoxx:

TSCHAKWerk: I use to use the upnp stuff for mythvideo playback on my fronbtends,

[16:23:17]

TSCHAKWerk:

cool

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juski:

GreyFoxx: find an Apple store & go see it

[16:23:51]

GreyFoxx:

oooh, that reminds me.... the xbox update with better upnp and mpeg4 playback came out

[16:24:01]

GreyFoxx:

I need to update my 360 and try it with myth now

[16:24:04]

juski:

actually you don't have to! the flash demo on the website is pretty much how it is for real

[16:24:13]

GreyFoxx:

on the apple site ?

[16:24:25]

juski:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

k

[16:24:31]

juski:

go for the appletv demo

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gbee:

hehe, just actually looked at appletv for the first time – everything looks strangely familiar ;)

[16:28:01]

juski:

if I wasn't such a nice bloke I'd be on the blower to a lawyer I tells ya

[16:28:04]

juski:

:-P

[16:29:02]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/animock.mpg

[16:30:15]

DGnome:

is it possible to use external deinterlacers with mythtv?

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Dagmar:

DGnome: Possible, and easy if you have an nVidia card and are using the S-video output

[16:31:21]

DGnome:

okey, without nvidia and analog outputs then? :)

[16:31:54]

xris:

DGnome: what would you get from another deinterlacer that isn't built into myth?

[16:32:18]

GreyFoxx:

juski: juski: I love the look of that

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GreyFoxx:

the sliding to the side text and the fade/zoom of the watermarks

[16:32:53]

DGnome:

xris: well, blend works for certain materials, kernel works for others and both do a kindof an average job imho :/

[16:33:57]

DGnome:

xris: would just like to try other methods

[16:35:23]

xris:

DGnome: I'm just wondering what others you're thinking of. myth has all of the ones I've ever seen before available, including Bob, which I haven't seen elsewhere.

[16:37:40]

juski:

GreyFoxx: and for my next trick..... www.juski.co.uk/whoops.mpg

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fysa:

hot stuff, juski

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DGnome:

xris: GreedyH is the best deinterlacer algorithm I've seen so far..

[16:38:07]

juski:

now 'just' make mythtv do all that :)

[16:38:27]

fysa:

seems the new myth-video branch will help.

[16:39:04]

fysa:

once everyone gets fancy new 7xxx series GeForce cards ;)

[16:39:04]

GreyFoxx:

juski: THAT I would love

[16:39:20]

GreyFoxx:

myth still playing as the background image or something

[16:39:37]

juski:

can't you just slap video onto an opengl texture?

[16:39:39]

david__:

I have a question about the Guide in mythtv... it is possible to remove the preview in the right corner ...

[16:39:49]

juski:

david__: edit ui.xml

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david__:

thx.

[16:40:03]

juski:

or buy a decent VGA card – one with good linux drivers

[16:40:13]

xris:

DGnome: and what provides that?

[16:40:21]

fysa:

mythfrontend needs some type of layers support, so modules can render to a specific layer.

[16:40:26]

DGnome:

xris: think it comes with tvtime

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david__:

hehe :P

[16:40:29]

david__:

thx mec

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fysa:

then we can OSD to the front-most layer.

[16:40:40]

juski:

yup

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fysa:

and menu to the layer right beneath that.

[16:40:45]

juski:

or menu to the frontmost layer

[16:40:48]

fysa:

right

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xris:

DGnome: interesting.

[16:41:04]

juski:

xris: def. comes with DSCALER

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juski:

I can vouch for greedyh being nice. very cpu intensive though

[16:41:50]

DGnome:

xris: tvtime uses interlacers from dscaler, aparently

[16:42:13]

fysa:

someone should base a new mythfrontend off a gaming engine.

[16:42:23]

DGnome:

s/interlacers/deinterlacers

[16:42:45]

xris:

DGnome: probably not too hard to integrate.

[16:42:51]

juski:

fysa: should/could

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xris:

but I think there is also a "filters" option in mythtv that you can run video through before output

[16:43:13]

fysa:

:)

[16:43:23]

juski:

xris: there is but it's nigh on undocumented

[16:43:31]

david__:

juski, what is the container name for the preview ... :/

[16:43:33]

xris:

juski: and appears to be windows-based

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juski:

david__: sec

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juski:

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DGnome:

xris: would be nice if someone integrated dscalers deinterlacers, I'd do that if I had the knowhow

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TSCHAKWerk:

crap

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: did you take the movies down already?

[16:45:26]

juski:

what movies?

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david__:

thank you very much.

[16:45:50]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: the mockup.

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juski:

nope

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juski:

still there

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TSCHAKWerk:

hum ok, I guess this weendows box can't play em with either vlc or quicktime.

[16:46:25]

juski:

they're mpeg2 ffs

[16:46:29]

TSCHAKWerk:

yeah

[16:46:39]

juski:

playing em in vlc here

[16:46:40]

TSCHAKWerk:

which is humm.. I chalk it up to brain damaged corporate IT here

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DGnome:

I tried to wget them and they resulted in 1kB files

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xris:

DGnome: I'm all for new stuff like that going into mythtv. but also lack most of the knowhow. Plus, I'm too busy to fix the stuff I'm already supposed to be maintaining.

[16:47:06]

TSCHAKWerk:

DGnome: tried catting them?

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juski:

DGnome: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ instead of www.juski.co.uk

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juski:

dodgy DNS redirect :D

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david__:

juski, i simply need to comment this container .... (sorry but this is my last question)

[16:47:37]

david__:

;)

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juski:

david__: sec again

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david__:

hehe thx.

[16:47:49]

juski:

I'll pastebin what you need to do

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david__:

oki good.

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juski:

gawd what's this? I'm feeling sorry for ATI owners now? I should go see my shrink

[16:48:10]

TSCHAKWerk:

hummmm same

[16:48:40]

warlord:

Hmm... It looks like my mythweb png files aren't being cleared out when I delete a recording through the frontend.

[16:49:55]

juski:

david__: http://pastebin.ca/519311

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xris:

warlord: they clear out in time

[16:50:06]

david__:

juski, thank you very much another times.

[16:50:21]

xris:

week or so of inactivity on them and they go away

[16:50:46]

warlord:

wow! Um, okay... so, why so long?

[16:51:56]

juski:

just take the diskspace hit ya wussie :) you'd be complaining about the time it took to regenerate them on the fly every time otherwise I bet :)

[16:53:03]

juski:

what are they – like 5k a thumbnail?

[16:53:32]

warlord:

It's not a question of the disk space.. It's that I think they should get deleted when the video gets deleted, but shouldn't ever get deleted otherwise.

[16:54:21]

warlord:

it's more a question of using up inodes and making "ls -lt" not show me the most recent videos because it's clogged with .pngs for videos that dont exist anymore.

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warlord:

(it's also a change in behavior from 0.18 to current, but that's much less relevant, other than the fact that I think the 0.18 behavior was more correct)

[16:55:27]

juski:

oh jesus not this again

[16:56:52]

Dagmar:

oh yes

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Dagmar:

warlord: If you have enough of those png files to cause a problem, then you need to stop storing your recordings on a floppy disk.

[16:58:00]

xris:

warlord: the filenames are arbitrary. Why waste the cpu to check filenames against missing entries in the db every time a page loads in mythweb?

[16:58:00]

juski:

hey I know the source for 0.18 is still there. somebody could fork it or something

[16:58:46]

warlord:

xris: who does the png deletion? I thought the backend did it in 0.18 because they would disappear when the .nuv did.

[16:58:57]

xris:

warlord: mythweb is completely separate

[16:59:19]

axxr:

Hi all

[16:59:19]

axxr:

Do you all have the same problem with mythtv on macosx, that you cannot switch the aspect ratio in tv playback ( e.g 4:3 zoom etc )

[16:59:22]

xris:

mythweb's png file cache is different from the backend's

[16:59:32]

axxr:

?

[16:59:52]

juski:

axxr: tried pressing 0 ?

[16:59:57]

axxr:

no .....

[17:00:07]

axxr:

I always use the 'm' menu

[17:00:14]

axxr:

but ill try ...

[17:01:01]

warlord:

xris: Indeed, and there are a bunch of pngs in /var/www/mythweb/data/cache, which is great. But I also see pngs in /mythtv0/video, which is what I'm asking about.

[17:01:13]

axxr:

when pressing null it prompts me with the channel entry ?!

[17:02:00]

xris:

warlord: that's different. mythweb doesn't touch the ones in your recording directory

[17:02:12]

axxr:

Only the menu seems to change the aspect ratio, not the actual video

[17:02:21]

GreyFoxx:

I've never seen one survive in my recordings directory after afile was removed

[17:02:31]

warlord:

xris: which goes back to my original question: why aren't those pngs deleted when I delete the video?

[17:02:31]

juski:

axxr: oops! sorry I have my '0' button mapped to 'W' !!! hahaha

[17:02:40]

juski:

axxr: W is the key you want

[17:02:41]

GreyFoxx:

unless you are switching back and forth between running mythbackend as root and as a user

[17:02:44]

axxr:

juski: :)

[17:02:51]

axxr:

juski: No, same story there

[17:03:07]

axxr:

juski: do you have a mythfrontend running on mac ?

[17:03:13]

juski:

axxr: nope

[17:03:18]

juski:

I wish I was that rich

[17:03:35]

gpd:

I am struggling to get fancontrol from lm-sensors to control my processor fan. I can read the speed but can't control it – should I give up and assume my mobo is to blame?

[17:03:44]

axxr:

juski: :) appletv is quite (don't know the word) 'gettable' :)

[17:04:08]

juski:

axxr: no cheap enough for me, not for what it does

[17:04:24]

juski:

gpd: try #lmsensors channel

[17:04:34]

gpd:

juski: good point

[17:04:37]

axxr:

juski: true, but i think the low power consumption is quite good, so I gave it a try.

[17:04:54]

juski:

anyway axxr W should switch aspect ratios

[17:05:18]

axxr:

juski: Yeah, but doesn't work, thats why I would like to know if others have the same problem.

[17:06:01]

axxr:

juski: Do you know which cpp file contains the code for the actual display of the video ? I got quite lost when browsing the source.

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juski:

videooutput.cpp would be a great place to look

[17:06:31]

axxr:

juski: in libmythtv ?

[17:06:37]

juski:

not that you could guess the filename or anything

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axxr:

:p

[17:06:59]

juski:

I dunno where it is, but it's def. videooutput.cpp IIRC

[17:07:25]

juski:

oops. wrong! it's not

[17:07:27]

axxr:

k, thx

[17:07:30]

axxr:

not ?

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juski:

heh. in libs/libmythtv there are a number of videoout* files

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xanium4332:

hi all

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juski:

axxr: looks like some aspect checking is done in libs/libmythtv/videooutbase.cpp

[17:10:35]

juski:

hey xanium4332

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axxr:

Hmm, look as if there is no aspect code in videoout_quartz.cpp whatsoever ( i would believe that this is the right file for macos )

[17:14:25]

axxr:

Ah, looked wrong.

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warlord:

xris: okay, let me ask this a different way. which process is responsible for deleting the .png files in my video data directory?

[17:18:02]

xris:

should be the backend, when it deletes the other files, too

[17:18:58]

warlord:

xris: so would it be a bug that the backend deleted the .mpg but not the .png?

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xris:

warlord: yeah. but I've never seen that happen

[17:20:49]

xris:

or not happen...

[17:21:35]

warlord:

It happened to me this morning

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** gpd listens to crickets on #linux-sensors **

[17:22:06]

warlord:

using trunk/r13508

[17:23:49]

xris:

hmm, I actually do see a couple of stray png files in mine, too.

[17:24:13]

xris:

sounds like a bug

[17:24:19]

NewCastleScott:

hello all,Im having issues with configuring a hauppauge 150 card to go with my mythtv.Im following this wiki ---> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup Im trying to run modprobe ivtv and get FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.20-gentoo-r7/extra/ivtv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) also skiping ahead to dmesg | grep tuner as stated on step 6 but it returns nothing.I have dow

[17:24:19]

NewCastleScott:

ngraded from 2.6.20.10 to 2.6.20.2 rebuilt Im windering if Im using modules from 10 in 2 how can I resolve this.

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NewCastleScott:

wondering***

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xris:

recompile the modules?

[17:25:24]

NewCastleScott:

xris, Im relatively new to linux how would I go about this?

[17:25:46]

warlord:

see, juski... It IS a bug! Maybe you should learn to be more patient and actually listen to people rather than being rude.

[17:26:03]

xanium4332:

NewCastleScott: What distro are you running?

[17:26:10]

NewCastleScott:

gentoo 2007

[17:26:17]

warlord:

xris: thanks for verifying. shall i create a trac item?

[17:26:18]

xris:

warlord: be nice

[17:26:23]

xanium4332:

okay so no problem with kernel compiles

[17:26:23]

NewCastleScott:

lol

[17:26:23]

xris:

warlord: couldn't hurt.

[17:26:38]

NewCastleScott:

na I have done it a bunch of times

[17:26:56]

warlord:

xris: hey, i've been nothing but nice and polite. But you're right, I'm sorry, juski.. Ribbing you back was rude of me. I appologize.

[17:27:38]

NewCastleScott:

I got some errors when building 2.6.20.10 and like I said downgraded to .2 rebuilt and adjusted the modules needed for ivtv it went ok so I dont know what I did wrong

[17:27:55]

xanium4332:

looks like (following the guide)

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xanium4332:

that you don't compile a module at all

[17:28:25]

NewCastleScott:

in step 3?

[17:28:28]

NewCastleScott:

I did

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NewCastleScott:

I shal retry

[17:28:38]

xanium4332:

oh yeh

[17:28:39]

xanium4332:

sry

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xanium4332:

didn't see that

[17:28:42]

NewCastleScott:

no worrys

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xanium4332:

yeah do a make clean

[17:28:50]

NewCastleScott:

is it worth another go?

[17:28:52]

NewCastleScott:

ok

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xanium4332:

have you changed compiler versions

[17:29:21]

xanium4332:

yeah everytime you change kernel you need to rebuild the modules

[17:29:47]

xanium4332:

and make sure the kernel (and all modules) are compiled using the same version of gcc

[17:32:18]

NewCastleScott:

do you think thats it...

[17:32:31]

NewCastleScott:

the modules arnt loading sence Im in 10 still

[17:32:35]

NewCastleScott:

not 2

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NewCastleScott:

brb

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warlord:

xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3522

[17:33:54]

warlord:

(not sure why it didn't like my email address and reverted back to anonymous)

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DGnome:

Dagmar: you wouldnt happen to have a modeline for 720x576 50Hz? Is the deinterlacing then done by the TV if I'd use nvidia and s-video output?

[17:35:26]

NewCastleScott:

K Im back let me try to start from step 3 again

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NewCastleScott:

same issue It didnt change

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NewCastleScott:

here is dmesg tail http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/519462

[17:38:39]

NewCastleScott:

I cant modprobe ivtv for some reason...

[17:38:54]

axxr:

Can someone tell me what the purpose of the mythtv-vid branch is in the svn ?

[17:39:04]

xris:

warlord: the email thing is a bug. you can re-set it and it'll stick

[17:39:46]

warlord:

Can I change the bug report?

[17:40:09]

warlord:

(I re-set my trac profile for future bugs/replies)

[17:41:15]

NewCastleScott:

juski, any idea why I cant modprobe ivtv for my hauppauge 150 card?

[17:41:25]

NewCastleScott:

anyone ^^

[17:42:07]

wide-eye:

hi, my mythfrontend is full of blue faced people and choppy video, the recorded mpeg is fine if watched in xine. any ideas how to fix it?

[17:42:31]

gbee:

smurphs?

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warlord:

NewCastleScott: try pastebin'ing the actual ivtv failure?

[17:42:51]

wide-eye:

gbee: yes, and blue flames

[17:43:10]

wide-eye:

has all colors, just on the wrong things

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wide-eye:

there was a post about ati using a different colorspace, but it didn't get me anywhere

[17:44:41]

GreyFoxx:

wide-eye: Are you using an ATI card ?

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planktonboy:

hi guys

[17:44:51]

wide-eye:

GreyFoxx: yes, fglrx driver

[17:45:02]

GreyFoxx:

Then you likely need to anable the ATI driver hack in the source

[17:45:19]

GreyFoxx:

It's not a setable option, it's done at compile time

[17:45:34]

GreyFoxx:

some Intel chipsets have teh same problem

[17:45:36]

wide-eye:

GreyFoxx: it's in the released source?

[17:45:41]

wide-eye:

not svn/git?

[17:45:46]

GreyFoxx:

wide-eye: It is in both

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wide-eye:

GreyFoxx: ok i'll try that

[17:45:59]

GreyFoxx:

though I think the name is different in the svn code

[17:46:23]

GreyFoxx:

but back in 0.20 is was something like "ATI_XV_HACK" or something along those lines

[17:46:36]

planktonboy:

gbee, thanks for your help yesterday with the mythweb stuff. xris sorted me out with what I needed to fix it and both the remote keyboard and the flash player for recording are working now :)

[17:46:58]

xanium4332:

axxr: mythtv-vid is working on new playback methods, such as pure opengl playback (using the graphics card's power for decent scaling etc.) It also gives access to better deinterlacers (ones that actually study the image and check whats changed to see if it needs deinterlacing or not, stops the jumpyness with static images using bob), and allows greater flexibility with resolution changes

[17:47:07]

planktonboy:

orshould I say the flash player to playback recorded programs via mythweb

[17:47:36]

planktonboy:

xris, all working well here still :)

[17:48:07]

NewCastleScott:

warlord, modprobe ivtv FATAL: Error inserting ivtv (/lib/modules/2.6.20-gentoo-r7/extra/ivtv.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

[17:48:19]

warlord:

nero__: Yes, I saw that.

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xanium4332:

axxr: it also has less dramatic changes, like using opengl to render the OSD, so it can remain at the true resolution being output, rather that the video's resolution

[17:48:25]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: that was to you

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warlord:

NewCastleScott: like I said, pastebin the ivtv output in dmesg.

[17:48:45]

planktonboy:

xris, by the way, I saw this website with a patch for mythmusic shoutcast streaming and was wondering if that was your work http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/

[17:48:46]

NewCastleScott:

what else can I provide ? warlord

[17:48:53]

xris:

nope

[17:48:57]

planktonboy:

or if you know about that

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NewCastleScott:

warlord, what command can I give to show it?

[17:49:20]

warlord:

dmesg

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gbee:

planktonboy: no, that's eskil's work

[17:49:28]

planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

ok

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xris:

planktonboy: I just do the web/perl stuff

[17:50:01]

planktonboy:

yeah thats something I really would like to use too

[17:50:12]

planktonboy:

I often listen to somafm.com

[17:50:54]

gbee:

eskil has never submitted his shoutcast patch for inclusion in mythmusic

[17:51:17]

NewCastleScott:

warlord, http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/519490

[17:51:18]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: you just clipped the dmesg output in your pastebin. dont do that. make sure the actual ivtv output is in there.

[17:51:21]

planktonboy:

and having that built in to mythmusic would be handy to integrate with the visuals. I have used mythstream which works well, but it has no visual support

[17:51:29]

planktonboy:

xris, cool

[17:51:44]

NewCastleScott:

warlord, do you need more?

[17:51:46]

planktonboy:

I was trying to learn some perl, interesting language

[17:52:07]

jarle:

Lets say I have 500+ channels and I only watch some of them on a daily basis, how does mythtv let me organize them? Can I sort them into groups or something?

[17:52:08]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: YES!

[17:52:18]

warlord:

I need the ivtv failure.

[17:52:23]

warlord:

You keep clipping. Stop that.

[17:52:26]

planktonboy:

but didnt get very far with it yet

[17:52:39]

warlord:

Feel free to 'grep -i ivtv'

[17:53:34]

NewCastleScott:

thanks Im a linux noob and had to jump into gentoo its searching now

[17:53:34]

wide-eye:

GreyFoxx: is this it? USE_ATI_PROPRIETARY_DRIVER_XVIDEO_HACK

[17:53:42]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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gbee:

jarie: no to grouping, but maybe at some point in the future – primary method for sorting atm is channel number

[17:55:29]

NewCastleScott:

warlord, can I specify a dir? 3/4 tb will take a while...

[17:55:55]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: try: dmesg | grep -i ivtv

[17:56:15]

NewCastleScott:

thanks it shiws nothing

[17:56:20]

NewCastleScott:

shows**

[17:56:39]

warlord:

try: grep -i ivtv /var/log/messages

[17:56:46]

xris:

NewCastleScott: gentoo is a big stretch for a linux newbie...

[17:57:09]

jarle:

gbee: oki... kind of strange that a system that has been around for a while doesn't have a "Favourites" system... better start some coding when I get mythtv installed then..

[17:58:02]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: What version of the kernel and ivtv?

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warlord:

(I build 0.10.2 on Fedora 7 / 2.6.21 this weekend and it works great)

[17:58:47]

NewCastleScott:

kernel 2.6.20.2 ivtv vers 0.10.2

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gbee:

jarle: only reason it doesn't exist is because no-one has wanted the feature enough to write the patch – it's on my todo list but there are higher priority items on there too

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warlord:

Hmm.. Not sure what to tell you, NewCastleScott. Looks like you're having a USB Storage issue that's burning up your logs.

[18:00:37]

NewCastleScott:

warlord, I have no usb storrage though...

[18:01:03]

NewCastleScott:

only usb printer and keyboard/mouse

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NewCastleScott:

I added a use flag and am recompiling ivtv well see if it changes...

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wide-eye:

NewCastleScott: i think your ivtv was built for a different kernel

[18:01:47]

jarle:

gbee: I'm not running mythtv yet, but the way I would like mythtv to handle channels was a way to group chennels in folders so the you could have a folder for sport, one for news and so on...

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jarle:

gbee: like a file system...

[18:03:22]

NewCastleScott:

wide-eye, I see when recompiling the modules for it it sais 2.6.20-r7 Im running 2.6.20.2? is that it?

[18:03:35]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: that could be it.

[18:03:39]

gbee:

jarle: a file system style probably wouldn't suit mythtv but anyway – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/199 is the ticket for this feature

[18:03:53]

gnome42:

jarle: you can set channels as favorites ('?' and '/' keys by default)

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gbee:

jarle: actually, I've been reminded that there is a system for marking favourite channels but I've never used it so I've no clue how it works

[18:04:57]

wide-eye:

NewCastleScott: yes that's it

[18:05:11]

gnome42:

check keys.txt.gz and search for fav

[18:05:38]

jarle:

gnome42: but it would still be a nice feature to be able to group channels by content.... So that if I wanted to catch some news I could just zap through the channels in the news folder....

[18:05:40]

NewCastleScott:

looks like I have to go down to 2.6.18...

[18:06:22]

gnome42:

I'm like gbee, don't use them much but maybe others would be interested :)

[18:07:11]

gbee:

I don't have a huge number or channels, nor do I watch much livetv – but I do see the value in the idea and would certainly use it if it were available

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gbee:

it's something that users in the UK who were familiar with Sky/Virgin would be familiar with and would probably expect

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jarle:

maybe I should actually start USING mythtv before I come here with requests, but hopefully I'll be able to do some coding when I have my system set up..

[18:10:07]

gbee:

jarle: that's the usual order ;)

[18:15:58]

gbee:

well the preferred order is to starting using mythtv, then submit a patch – requests are frowned upon

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gbee:

Dagmar: looks like eskil has already created a patch which would do what you want for mythmusic, replacing the repeat/shuffle text with icons

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planktonboy:

gbee, hehe it seemed to work for me

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GreyFoxx:

MeeKs: That's plenty of ram

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MeeKs:

to record hd and view hd files

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planktonboy:

gbee, I sort of requested the libvisual thing, and next thing I know it was implemented into svn

[18:19:03]

planktonboy:

but to be honest it was just lucky timing

[18:19:07]

planktonboy:

:)

[18:19:10]

gbee:

planktonboy: yeah, it was :)

[18:19:15]

planktonboy:

LOL

[18:19:24]

MeeKs:

GreyFoxx: ok great i wasnt sure

[18:19:26]

GreyFoxx:

though I know nothing specific about that z556 unit

[18:19:32]

MeeKs:

i got it cheap

[18:19:37]

MeeKs:

so i did that instead of building

[18:19:52]

MeeKs:

im assuming myth will play pretty much all my media files

[18:19:57]

planktonboy:

just looking at that patch from eskil

[18:20:01]

MeeKs:

avi mkv ts etc...

[18:20:32]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: I've got a quick question for your about your plan for the CC font handling...

[18:20:40]

planktonboy:

seeing how I can figure out to apply it and get to to compile without any probs

[18:20:50]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: sure

[18:20:55]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: were you planning to add in a font cache or just do lazy instantiation of the fonts?

[18:21:02]

gbee:

planktonboy: for a long time the lead dev had resisted using libvisual because mythmusic's internal visualizer does pretty much the same job – but someone provided a patch and Paul committed it :)

[18:21:35]

GreyFoxx:

well, originally I was just going to the lazy route and only load as needed. So I would load only the minimum needed depending on my settings and content

[18:21:48]

planktonboy:

ah right

[18:21:51]

gbee:

Dagmar: I plan on incorporating some (or all) of the patch from eskil into mythtv

[18:22:07]

GreyFoxx:

but now I'm wondering if it would be worth the effort to ALSO cache that scaled font to disk and load directly from there afterward

[18:22:17]

planktonboy:

yeah..good old Paul

[18:22:35]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: While looking at adding the ability to use fonts other than those in the share directory, I noticed the issue you were seeing. On playback startup, my system loads 120 fonts--including pre-caching the first 256 glyphs of each. Only three are unique.

[18:22:40]

planktonboy:

does he come on this channel at all

[18:22:45]

sphery:

So, I was thinking about doing a font cache.

[18:23:01]

GreyFoxx:

After working on a the little mythvideo videcover cache the other day I'm now looking at mythcontext afor the idea of a "generic" caching structure for all types of data. Some can be held in ram, some just to disk or whatever

[18:23:13]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: Yeah

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gbee:

planktonboy: never seen him here – or at least he's never announced his presence

[18:23:34]

planktonboy:

ok

[18:23:56]

sphery:

FreeType 2.01 had a beta version of a cache that went "stable" around 2.06 or so, but I'm thinking it's not appropriate for Myth's usage. It focuses on fixed-memory-size pool of fonts.

[18:23:57]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: yeah? So I can stop work on that? :)

[18:24:02]

planktonboy:

just wanted to say cheers to him for his hard work

[18:24:22]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: I personally never used CC data, or almost never, so I figure we should only load it if the user enables CC display, and even then ONLY the fonts+sizes required

[18:24:27]

planktonboy:

its absolutely awesome being able to run projectM with mythmusic

[18:24:51]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: If you have started carry on, I'm more than willing to test/play with it too. I am literally just looking at mythcontext.cpp right now :)

[18:24:55]

juski:

wouldn't quite go that far. impressive, for sure

[18:25:12]

juski:

planktonboy: how did you get it to work? I tried & failed

[18:25:13]

planktonboy:

makes the whole listening experience more enjoyable having some decent visuals to go with it

[18:25:40]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: That makes sense. When I saw the difference (currently loading 120 with only 3 unique), I figured I would be content just getting the cache in place. However, I do recognize the benefits of only loading the fonts if required.

[18:26:02]

planktonboy:

juski, you mean projectM, or the libvisual compile in mythmusic

[18:26:13]

juski:

planktonboy: for me it'd just give mythmusic more of a 21st century feel ;)

[18:26:26]

planktonboy:

yes it does

[18:26:26]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: I haven't started beyond thinking about it and I've got plenty of other things to get on with, so you are more than welcome

[18:26:37]

juski:

planktonboy: I meant get mythmusic to work with projectM – I compiled with libvisual support but... er... nothing

[18:26:42]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: One thing we currently do when loading CC fonts, is that we never keep track of where we found the font before, so if we load XYZ font 10 times and 10 different sizes we search 3 or 4 disk loacations for the font rather than going to the last place we found it first

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Cool. I'd like to run with it then

[18:27:07]

juski:

evening stuarta

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stuarta:

eveing

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MeeKs:

is there a list of video files myth tv supports?

[18:27:21]

stuarta:

evening even ...

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sphery:

So, GreyFoxx your plan is to make a generic cache that could be used for more than just fonts?

[18:27:40]

planktonboy:

juski, I had already compiled the ProjectM and built the deb files

[18:27:44]

GreyFoxx:

so 3–4 checks for the file per load, and like 49 different sizes is up to 200 fstats

[18:27:55]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: yeah, something pluggins could use too

[18:28:02]

planktonboy:

1 second, let me go through my list

[18:28:23]

GreyFoxx:

so mythgame can store scaled screenshoits, scaled video covers, fonts, maybe cached data from some other plugin, etc

[18:29:11]

planktonboy:

juski, to get projectM running, there were 3 debs needed to be compiled

[18:29:28]

sphery:

And each object in the cache can have different lifetimes--i.e. to ensure we dump the video covers when we leave MythVideo or dump the CC fonts when we leave playback or whatever?

[18:29:35]

GreyFoxx:

yup

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juski:

planktonboy: I think I had it installed

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sphery:

Managed programmatically, right? I.e. make a function call to dump "my" objects?

[18:30:06]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: most stuff will get a tag showing last time we touched, and if we haven't touched in a while it will get turffed by the housekeeper or something

[18:30:06]

planktonboy:

juski I mean 2 files for libvisual ProjectM, and another if you wanted it in xmms too

[18:30:09]

sphery:

Or were you planning to make it more automatic?

[18:30:19]

planktonboy:

libprojectm_0.99–1_i386.deb

[18:30:24]

juski:

planktonboy: pretty sure I had packages installed already

[18:30:25]

sphery:

So, perhaps both?

[18:30:27]

GreyFoxx:

so you can have multiple themes/resolustions stored for coverfiles and themes

[18:30:34]

planktonboy:

yeah?

[18:30:50]

planktonboy:

juski I can send you my packagesd if you want to try them

[18:30:50]

juski:

planktonboy: no big deal. I'll revisit it sometime before LRL

[18:30:52]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: automatic, let it the housekeeper clean it. Plus it will be auto regenerated if the user chose to blow it away manually

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planktonboy:

libvisual-projectm_0.99–1_i386.deb

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planktonboy:

and

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planktonboy:

xmms-projectm_0.99–1_i386.deb

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planktonboy:

xmms one is not needed for the mythmusic integration though

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juski:

hm

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juski:

planktonboy: I need to concentrate on banging out my rejog of projectgrayhem-wide tonight but I'll keep yer debs in mind :)

[18:33:05]

planktonboy:

and then of course I copied a bunch of milkdrop presets from the milkdrop.com site

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: OK. It sounds like you're planning to go much farther than I would have (more than just a font cache for FreeType fonts), so I'll hold off on my CC font stuff until you've got something in place. I'd be happy to help integrate your cache into the playback portion's CC font handling if you'd like.

[18:33:24]

planktonboy:

juski, sure mate...anytime:)

[18:33:50]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: Sweet, thanks

[18:33:51]

planktonboy:

just let us know whenever

[18:34:06]

GreyFoxx:

I hope to get it started in the next couple days

[18:34:19]

GreyFoxx:

I'll expose the cache via mythcontext so afterthing, including pluggins can get at it

[18:34:36]

sphery:

I guess that means I have to work on the harder, but probably more useful, change I was planning, then, since the font stuff is on hold. :)

[18:34:47]

GreyFoxx:

Might even be something that we can let mythweb/theprotocol get at to allow access to soem scaled stuff. Not sure about that part though

[18:35:00]

GreyFoxx:

Or the XML methods

[18:35:16]

juski:

time to rework the awful orange gallery icons :)

[18:35:19]

planktonboy:

cant wait for some of my old back in the day hippie mates to come over sometime

[18:35:34]

juski:

lol

[18:35:54]

juski:

you don't need drugs with projectM, maaaan ;)

[18:35:58]

planktonboy:

def enjoyable on a friday night after a few beers and a

[18:36:07]

planktonboy:

:)/

[18:36:10]

planktonboy:

hehe

[18:36:10]

juski:

small piece of paper?

[18:36:17]

planktonboy:

LOL, thats the one

[18:36:30]

juski:

I used to eat paper like it was going out of fashion in the late 80s

[18:36:40]

planktonboy:

naaa..not anymore, my days of that are long gone

[18:36:53]

planktonboy:

hahaha

[18:36:57]

planktonboy:

yesws

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juski:

I'd love to have trip down memory lane but part of me says "NO" very loudly

[18:37:11]

planktonboy:

sure

[18:37:20]

planktonboy:

if always nice to look back on

[18:37:37]

planktonboy:

but not sure if the old ticker could take it now

[18:37:42]

planktonboy:

:)

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juski:

planktonboy: yeah the near miss we had while collecting traffic cones & rolling around in the car park of Middlesbrough police station while ripped to the tits.. ermm... ahem!

[18:38:16]

planktonboy:

precisely

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planktonboy:

ehhe,

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planktonboy:

hmm..now if only I could remember how to apply a patch :)

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planktonboy:

oh well, out with the old notes again

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planktonboy:

brb,

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gbee:

patch -p0 < myfirst.patch

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sphery:

Or is that too 8859-1-centric thinking? And, speaking of which, does it make sense to pre-cache glyphs of characters 0–255 for all users, anyway? Won't they only be useful for some encodings?

[18:43:30]

gbee:

though if it's been that long, then you might find patch --help useful

[18:44:17]

planktonboy:

gbee, LOL, that was very helpful thanks :)

[18:44:32]

planktonboy:

yes it has a been a fair while

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sphery:

warlord: So, you mean 0–31 shouldn't be displayable regardless of encoding?

[18:48:54]

warlord:

sphery: Pretty much, yeah. UTF and ISO both reserve those.

[18:49:35]

sphery:

Cool. I don't know enough of my i18n/L10n to make that type of decision.

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warlord:

0–127 are the same in all encodings.

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sphery:

warlord: Thanks. I'll submit a patch to skip the C0 control characters, and--if I can find info on the C1 control characters--perhaps the C1 characters, too.

[18:56:57]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/vidgal.png – oh baby thatsa what I like!

[18:57:29]

SpaceBass:

hey folks

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SpaceBass:

I already have a 2TB drive filled with videos and DVDs...I'd like my myth system to index those items but not move them...can I do that?

[18:58:12]

stuarta:

mythvideo

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juski:

if only there was a way I could make the list view NOT suck

[18:58:45]

stuarta:

i've some ideas about that.

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sphery:

juski: nice--other than the fact that you show too many at a time so the covers are too small. :)

[18:58:48]

SpaceBass:

stuarta, been playing with mythvideo...works fine for most of my downloaded TV shows but not for my DVD rips

[18:59:10]

juski:

sphery: it's ok – by the time the covers have been cached I've had a cup of tea

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stuarta:

it does handle dvd rips, even does them itself

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stuarta:

so you must have them in an odd format

[18:59:58]

SpaceBass:

standard rips...video_ts, etc

[19:00:20]

stuarta:

odd

[19:00:33]

SpaceBass:

could be related to my other problem

[19:00:39]

SpaceBass:

trying to use VLC as my player

[19:00:49]

sphery:

stuarta: I think the best way to fix the list view is to integrate MythVideo into mythbackend and mythfrontend. :)

[19:00:59]

sphery:

SpaceBass: video_ts or VIDEO_TS?

[19:01:03]

stuarta:

sphery: that's an idea :)

[19:01:13]

juski:

stuarta: so how would you make the list view not suck?

[19:01:17]

sphery:

I think Anduin may be considering it for post-0.21

[19:01:27]

juski:

I'd be all for making it more like how you select a recording

[19:01:35]

stuarta:

juski: i'd base it on how the directory is laid out.

[19:01:44]

juski:

it's supposed to work like that already but it doesn't gel somehow

[19:01:57]

stuarta:

making the assumption that those with much stuff will separate into directories.

[19:02:01]

juski:

I think the big limitation is fixed columns

[19:02:22]

juski:

infact having columns at all is bad IMHO

[19:02:25]

stuarta:

if dirs_exist() go dir_mode()

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juski:

no juski, pressing M in your bitmap editor won't bring up a menu to change to list view, you PILLOCK

[19:03:23]

GreyFoxx:

juski: I like the screenshot. One thing that would be nice, and I know it's not theme controllable" would be if the full title was visible when the cover was highlighted, maybe with a slightly larger image zoomed up

[19:03:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

SpaceBass: mythvideo will work just fine, so long as you do ISO rips, or rip the primary feature as VOB.

[19:03:37]

SpaceBass:

well... looks like that may not be my issue

[19:03:48]

SpaceBass:

trying to have my backend on ubuntu and my frontend on OS X

[19:03:51]

juski:

GreyFoxx: should be peasy to do

[19:03:52]

GreyFoxx:

So most are small with a "magnifying" selection square moving around

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SpaceBass:

when I try and play anything on the front end it flashes "loading..." for about 1/2 a second and returns to the file overview

[19:04:35]

stuarta:

sounds like a mac specific thing. not tried mythvideo on my mini mac

[19:04:58]

GreyFoxx:

Overall I like the looks of the last bunch of screenshots you've done up. Can't wait to get the projector and get some nice wide themes in use there

[19:04:59]

Kevorkian:

Which osx build you using SpaceBass

[19:05:20]

juski:

does anybody even like the idea of the list view having the full filename, player command, & all that jazz?

[19:05:30]

stuarta:

that's just silly

[19:05:33]

juski:

cos if not, they're gonna be history

[19:05:36]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, 20-fixes

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visit0r:

hmm which script repairs mythtv db?

[19:05:51]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Personally I think it that info should just be a menu item away if people want it

[19:05:52]

visit0r:

it messed my program table for some reason

[19:05:56]

GreyFoxx:

most I'm sure don't look at it

[19:05:57]

stuarta:

juski: where's it do that?

[19:06:02]

Kevorkian:

I assumed that .. I ment , aqua or X

[19:06:03]

juski:

GreyFoxx: it is IIRC

[19:06:05]

GreyFoxx:

hit Info or something to displayu it

[19:06:10]

stuarta:

(we still talking mythvideo?)

[19:06:12]

GreyFoxx:

ok, then it's a waste of screenspace

[19:06:15]

sphery:

visit0r: what messed your program table?

[19:06:24]

sphery:

optimize_mythdb.pl?

[19:06:26]

juski:

GreyFoxx: ah you can 'view full plot'

[19:06:33]

visit0r:

sphery: no idea, just came home from work and saw that there is no single program in the recording queue

[19:06:39]

juski:

stuarta: list view in mythvideo

[19:06:54]

juski:

sod it I'm gonna make list view look more like watch recordings

[19:06:54]

GreyFoxx:

juski: I'm sure that can be changed to include the file/player details too

[19:06:59]

visit0r:

gosh mysql sucks

[19:07:13]

SpaceBass:

looks like my problem is tied to trying to use VLC for the player

[19:07:21]

stuarta:

no that's rubbish

[19:07:26]

visit0r:

juski: planning to just intergrate the mythvideo files to be visible in watch recordings some day...

[19:07:28]

juski:

I don't think anybody'll complain when the see the end result

[19:07:40]

juski:

visit0r: feck off. I wouldn't want that

[19:07:43]

GreyFoxx:

juski: And if do....tough, they can use another theme :)

[19:08:03]

stuarta:

juski: integration is on the road map.

[19:08:11]

visit0r:

juski: feck you too ;)

[19:08:22]

juski:

stuarta: yeah but there'd be demarcation I bet

[19:08:37]

stuarta:

the details will be interesting.

[19:08:42]

juski:

filters etc..

[19:08:58]

visit0r:

nope the script didn't help, damned

[19:09:00]

juski:

or 'watch media'.. with 'recordings' and '1337 warez downloads' as sections

[19:09:29]

stuarta:

!trout me feck

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** MythLogBot slaps me with a feck trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[19:09:34]

sphery:

visit0r: What's the actual problem? Are you sure your program table was broken?

[19:09:51]

SpaceBass:

ok....I can watch videos on the box running both front and backend (files mounted via smb)...but I cannot seem to watch them on OSX running frontend

[19:10:10]

visit0r:

sphery: yep got something in my log

[19:10:20]

sphery:

What's that something?

[19:10:31]

Kevorkian:

what are the symptoms SpaceBass

[19:10:52]

visit0r:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/519745

[19:11:00]

stuarta:

btw. Tommy is on Sat night

[19:11:03]

visit0r:

I wonder if there's some "repair" command in the piece of crap mysql

[19:11:11]

stuarta:

mysqlcheck

[19:11:20]

visit0r:

thanks

[19:11:28]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, well..I seem to be able to browse the recordings (using mythvideo) but when I try and play anything it flashes "loading..." and then does nothing

[19:11:32]

sphery:

visit0r: optimize_mythdb.pl runs repair for you...

[19:12:01]

visit0r:

sphery: ok, it didn't help :( oh well, hopefully nothing major is happening to the DB and I can get by this by just reprogramming the programs

[19:12:02]

sphery:

Did you restart mythbackend /after/ fixing the program table?

[19:12:07]

Kevorkian:

SpaceBass, Any entrys in the logs

[19:12:12]

sphery:

Did you re-run your grabber after fixing the program table?

[19:12:23]

visit0r:

sphery: nope, got to try that next

[19:12:24]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, leme try and find the frontend logs on osx

[19:13:06]

sphery:

You definitely should restart. If using EIT, you'll eventually get things repopulated. Otherwise, re-run the grabber.

[19:13:22]

stuarta:

if using EIT i'd clear the cache...

[19:13:24]

visit0r:

sphery: whee, it helped. thanks for the tip, made my evening.

[19:13:40]

** sphery knows nothing of EIT, so he hoped stuarta would chime in... **

[19:13:53]

sphery:

enjoy your TV :)

[19:14:10]

stuarta:

personally my preference is delete from program; delete from eit_cache;

[19:14:21]

stuarta:

removes all program data, but it doesn't take long to come back

[19:15:30]

stuarta:

sphery: glad i could help :)

[19:15:33]

sphery:

That's cool. I haven't started using EIT because a) DataDirect rocks and b) the EIT data is less accurate than DataDirect data (not to mention that it's far lower quality than DataDirect data).

[19:15:53]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, now, as I'm digging, I'm getting "could not connect to master backend server..."

[19:16:19]

stuarta:

yeah some places have decent EIT, some it's utter crap

[19:16:48]

Kevorkian:

and your sure the backend is running ?

[19:16:53]

planktonboy:

is there any way I can see what my ./configure options were on a previous compile of mythtv...I cant remember exactly what I enabled and was hoping it might be stored in some log or file

[19:17:12]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, yeah...able to connect and play video with frontend running on the same box as backend

[19:17:15]

sphery:

I think in the US it's mainly crap because so many many have cable and so few have OTA and the cable companies all have their own systems for providing programming data...

[19:17:27]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, and at some point it worked b/c on my osx box running frontend I can browse the videos

[19:17:31]

Kevorkian:

have you endabled the backend to accecpt remote connections ?

[19:17:58]

Kevorkian:

well browsing and viewing are done via diffrent connections

[19:18:01]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, well, not explicitly, but like I said, I can browse on the remote frontend

[19:18:06]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, ahhh

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ruinevil:

hello

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Kevorkian:

browsing is simply connecting to the db

[19:19:50]

SpaceBass:

ok

[19:20:17]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, so are we talking about a myth setting, file level permissions.... ?

[19:20:23]

sphery:

Or is this a conversation I should have with o_cee?

[19:20:34]

stuarta:

you want o_cee

[19:20:38]

sphery:

thx

[19:20:41]

stuarta:

i know nothing of i18n

[19:20:47]

planktonboy:

aha found it...config.log

[19:21:02]

ruinevil:

i have a wintv go-plus with a 878a chipset

[19:21:06]

ruinevil:

how do i set up the audio?

[19:21:10]

Kevorkian:

well .. it coudl be a lot of things .. firewalls on the systems .. misconfigs

[19:21:31]

juski:

awoooga! awgoooga! framegrabber alert!

[19:21:36]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, same lan and subnet...neither box running a firewall

[19:21:45]

SpaceBass:

but the video files themselves are on a 3rd box

[19:21:47]

stuarta:

there goes another kitten

[19:21:59]

Kevorkian:

remember .. osx default is FW on

[19:22:08]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, yeah, its off on this box

[19:22:31]

Kevorkian:

how are they mounted to the backend ?

[19:22:51]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, cifs mount to a directory within ~myhttv/

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SpaceBass:

on the backend its /home/mythtv/nsnet/TV

[19:23:13]

Kevorkian:

and you can play them local

[19:23:19]

SpaceBass:

on the frontend its /Volumes/nsnet/TV

[19:23:21]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, yeah

[19:23:22]

sphery:

stuarta: Well, I'd still bet your i18n knowledge is far greater than mine. I was just hoping I'd find someone who knows since I don't often see o_cee around.

[19:23:36]

stuarta:

sphery: gbee may have a clue

[19:24:02]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, fundementally speaking, if they are playable local, do they stream from there to remote front-ends or is the remote frontend supposed to have its own access to the files?

[19:24:11]

Kevorkian:

I mean .. can you move said vid file TO the osx machine and play them in the player you are using localy

[19:24:30]

sphery:

Hmmmm. He didn't pipe in earlier, so he either missed my question or wanted me to find o_cee, instead. :)

[19:24:41]

stuarta:

ah well... :(

[19:24:54]

Kevorkian:

the back end sees the files as local to itself due to the mount

[19:24:56]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, on OS X I can play them both from the SMB mount and if I were to copy them to the local hard drive

[19:24:59]

sphery:

It's not a big deal. I can wait. Just one of those "while I'm thinking of it" things.

[19:25:05]

Kevorkian:

so it doesnt even know that they are remote

[19:25:17]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, and the OS X box seems them as local too...b/c the drive is mounted on that box...but different path

[19:26:49]

gbee:

er

[19:27:26]

gbee:

sphery: sorry, was afk – but no, I don't really know the answer

[19:27:37]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, leme ask another way... on the frontend on OS X ... should the path be relative to the OS X box, or the backend box?

[19:28:00]

david__:

it is possible to share Cover of my Video without using the same sql server for each frontend ...

[19:28:19]

Kevorkian:

the fact that the osx box can see teh files does not matter

[19:28:33]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, ok..that helps

[19:28:34]

GreyFoxx:

david__: nothin that is built into myth

[19:28:39]

SpaceBass:

so they are streamed from the backend

[19:28:39]

Kevorkian:

the vid is sent from the backend

[19:29:03]

Kevorkian:

using the super special magic myth protocol

[19:29:16]

SpaceBass:

k

[19:29:18]

david__:

mmmm

[19:29:28]

GreyFoxx:

UNLESS the frontend canm see it locally (even an network mount is fine)

[19:29:31]

SpaceBass:

and I dont need to worry about the path setting in the video setup on the remote frontend then?

[19:29:31]

ruinevil:

how does one use the onboard audio of the fusion 878a chip on the wintv go-plus?

[19:29:59]

david__:

GreyFoxx, yep its what i do but the cover cant be linked with the movie

[19:30:02]

GreyFoxx:

If you run mythtv-setup on the frontend and tell it that videos are in /Volume/nsnet/TV then the frontend will look there first

[19:30:39]

Kevorkian:

you COULD mnount the vids local and bypass the streaming ..

[19:30:44]

SpaceBass:

GreyFoxx, gotcha...thats a nice feature actually

[19:30:48]

Kevorkian:

which is what that path setting is for

[19:30:57]

GreyFoxx:

david__: Other than do some sort of mysql/scripting fu I don't know of anyway to do what you are describing

[19:30:58]

SpaceBass:

I'm perfectly ok with that idea...maybe preferable for bandwidth even

[19:31:11]

SpaceBass:

and thats how I have it configured...

[19:31:20]

SpaceBass:

still not sure my connection is working to the backend though

[19:31:21]

GreyFoxx:

the additional overhead of the protocol is insignificant

[19:31:24]

david__:

GreyFoxx, its what i were thinking. Thanks for your help.

[19:31:24]

juski:

svn commit

[19:31:27]

david__:

Have a nice day.

[19:31:27]

juski:

bum!

[19:31:34]

GreyFoxx:

but it's nice to be able to reach fron the FS

[19:32:02]

SpaceBass:

well the backend is on 100T and the FS server and the frontends are on 1000T connections

[19:32:08]

Kevorkian:

then it doesnt stream from the back end then

[19:32:21]

juski:

that's the list view turned into something way less sucky :)

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GreyFoxx:

juski: You've done it already ?:)

[19:32:54]

Kevorkian:

wait .. dvd rips ?

[19:33:04]

Kevorkian:

so your trying to PLAY an iso ?

[19:33:29]

SpaceBass:

something I have already pieced together with some poorer OS X apps...but I'd prefer myth if its a proper use

[19:33:37]

juski:

GreyFoxx: www.juski.co.uk/listy.png

[19:33:49]

juski:

I'm just a theming machine, babeh

[19:33:58]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, no, they are folders in the FS of the DVD rip...not so much worried about them yet, still trying to get the TV show videos to work

[19:34:41]

sphery:

gbee: No problem. I'll find Oscar one of these days and ask him.

[19:35:15]

juski:

oh hell. here I am doing all this for my own themes when I turned down the chance to make a theme for a well known mythtv based distro. jees how bad must that look? <penny drops>

[19:36:03]

sphery:

Why wouldn't this distro just use one of your themes as the default?

[19:36:14]

juski:

I didn't ask

[19:36:35]

juski:

presumably because none of my themes have the name of the distro burnt into em

[19:36:55]

juski:

hence a one-off commission :)

[19:36:58]

sphery:

Yeah. Nothing like advertising in a free product...

[19:36:59]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, so one of my other questions is if MyhtVideo will show whatever is on the FS or if I have to somehow update it

[19:37:26]

sphery:

That commission? Was it the penny that got dropped?

[19:37:36]

juski:

and then we have MePo... folks in the know, know MePo is from MediaPortal – what does that say then?

[19:37:37]

sphery:

I think you're time's worth more than that.

[19:37:58]

sphery:

What's with the MePo character? Is he from somewhere?

[19:38:01]

juski:

graphics from a 'competitor' !!! shock!

[19:38:19]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Cool. I like that better

[19:38:39]

juski:

GreyFoxx: all this time I've never been able to figure wtf to do with it. and now I know :)

[19:38:40]

sphery:

Is mediaportal a Windows thing?

[19:38:46]

juski:

sphery: yeah.

[19:39:36]

sphery:

So, now I want to know why mediaportal had MePo done for MythTV...

[19:39:51]

juski:

having 2 desktops certainly speeds things up here :)

[19:40:31]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:40:36]

juski:

sphery: the guy who made MePo-wide asked the creator of the mediaportal skin if he could borrow the graphics. much like I asked chokemaniac if he minded me nabbing some from his XBMC skin

[19:40:51]

sphery:

Oh....

[19:41:04]

sphery:

Now I'm in the know... Feels good for a change.

[19:41:13]

juski:

there's not very many bitmaps of choke's I'm still using, FYI

[19:41:20]

juski:

qt3

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juski:

readay on the manual-ay

[19:42:03]

sphery:

And now I understand the name of PG...

[19:42:10]

juski:

reality dawns here that this rejig is tantamount to making a whole new theme

[19:42:15]

ruinevil:

Can I use mythTV to capture video from my component VCR?

[19:42:16]

cj_:

hey guys. can anyone give me a clue as to how to get 5.1 working? i think i don't have my speakers wired the right way but i can't find a guide to my sound blaster live! card

[19:42:21]

juski:

sphery: it was hardly the most opaque of puns!

[19:42:38]

juski:

cj_: #alsa

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sphery:

I'm a little bit sheltered... I don't wander around too far on the 'net...

[19:43:12]

cj_:

juski: alsa seems to work fine, it's just i don't know which plugs to put in where

[19:43:19]

juski:

ruinevil: COMPOSITE, you can. No Component capture devices for linux exist

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juski:

cj_: still, not really a question related directly to mythtv

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sphery:

cj_: What type of 5.1? Digital output or analog output?

[19:44:18]

juski:

cj_: you can always download some surround test files & check the right noises come from the correct speakers :-O

[19:44:33]

Kevorkian:

cj_, use your ears

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** juski takes a bow.. and takes a break **

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Zider:

a break-bow?

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Kevorkian:

ruinevil, you own a component vcr ??

[19:46:45]

cj_:

sphery: analog

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gpd:

are there any settings that I can change to reduce memory usage of mythcommflag ? atm 60M resident

[19:47:24]

Kevorkian:

Sure gpd.

[19:47:30]

Kevorkian:

I think its called .. OFF

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juski:

re

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ruinevil:

yes

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ruinevil:

also

[19:48:14]

ruinevil:

my bt audio device is /dev/adsp1

[19:48:15]

juski:

stuarta: dunno if you know, but we have the facility to (ahem!) send notes over bluetooth at LRL :) e-flyers, so to speak

[19:48:19]

ruinevil:

but its not a choice at setup

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Kevorkian:

are you SURE its component ?

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Kevorkian:

and not composite ?

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** gpd wanders off to find the setting **

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ruinevil:

i can run coxial

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juski:

Kevorkian: it'll be composite

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ruinevil:

err

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ruinevil:

yea

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ruinevil:

composite

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ruinevil:

sorry

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Kevorkian:

HUGE difference ruinevil

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ruinevil:

rca wires

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ruinevil:

>.>

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juski:

so yes you can use mythtv to grab from a VCR, but not in the 'press record, play the VCR then press stop' sense

[19:49:24]

Kevorkian:

rca is the plug .. not the wire .. but anyway.

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xanium4332:

juski: can u 'elaborate'

[19:50:03]

ruinevil:

first order of business is setting tuner audio to /dev/adsp1

[19:50:03]

juski:

xanium4332: to what? an answer I can't remember giving?

[19:50:09]

Kevorkian:

if the answer was from juski xanium4332 I can elaborate for him .. I bet it was something like .. GO READ THE DAMM HELP FILES

[19:50:10]

xanium4332:

e=flyers

[19:50:14]

ruinevil:

is there a conf file i can screw around with?

[19:50:33]

xanium4332:

kevorkian: wtf was that for

[19:50:44]

juski:

xanium4332: ahh .. pushing a txt file over bluetooth :)

[19:51:08]

juski:

and Kevorkian is trying to be funny by implying I yell at everybody

[19:51:10]

xanium4332:

juski: is that with the receipient accepting/confirming

[19:51:16]

Kevorkian:

implying ?

[19:51:20]

juski:

xanium4332: confirmation is necessary, yes

[19:51:27]

xanium4332:

ok

[19:51:29]

juski:

Kevorkian: I don't yell at everybody

[19:51:50]

Kevorkian:

Yes , the absolute of "everybody" is incorrect .

[19:51:52]

juski:

some people need it, others don't – and I'm by far NOT the worst offender here

[19:52:00]

scopeuk:

not any more

[19:52:03]

xanium4332:

just the way u phrased it (ahem) made it sound like u'd managed to do it forcefully

[19:52:23]

juski:

xanium4332: hahaha. like I'd open source it if I had! make millions, I would!

[19:52:38]

Kevorkian:

bluetooth spam ?

[19:52:39]

Kevorkian:

OH MAN

[19:52:41]

xanium4332:

can just imagine all the adverts for concerts etc..

[19:52:45]

juski:

and be hated... same diff but I'd be rich

[19:52:45]

scopeuk:

yup

[19:52:56]

xanium4332:

please install spamassassin for bluetooth

[19:53:00]

scopeuk:

they were doign it for 28 weeks later out side the students unio na week ago

[19:53:05]

Kevorkian:

hated yes .. but hated while sittng on the beach of your own island

[19:53:23]

sphery:

cj_: I don't have time now to go into details, but check out http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2007-05-28 . I (sphery) had a conversation with Dagmar about it and you should be able to find what you need. Pretty around 11:15am on the log.

[19:53:32]

juski:

Kevorkian: folks have to set their phone to be discoverable, and then have to say yes to receive the file – and if I've already seen them, don't try to send the file again :)

[19:53:41]

Dibblah:

ruinevil: That's a text field. Type what you want.

[19:53:51]

Kevorkian:

perhaps ruinevil coudl try a symlink ?

[19:54:04]

Dibblah:

Kevorkian: Perhaps not.

[19:54:09]

juski:

symlinking device nodes? that really a good idea?!

[19:54:11]

ruinevil:

there is something called dsp1 and dsp zero

[19:54:13]

ruinevil:

as it is

[19:54:18]

ruinevil:

soooo

[19:54:26]

ruinevil:

unlikely solution

[19:54:30]

xanium4332:

juski: is this advertising for myth?

[19:54:41]

Dibblah:

ruinevil: Eh?

[19:54:44]

juski:

xanium4332: it's trying to save paper, among other stuff

[19:55:01]

xanium4332:

juski: at some sort of conference?

[19:55:02]

ruinevil:

what conf file does the capture setup write to

[19:55:05]

juski:

xanium4332: people ask for info, I push it to them if they want it :) basic url infos

[19:55:12]

xanium4332:

ruineval: mysql I think

[19:55:18]

ruinevil:

damn

[19:55:33]

xanium4332:

juski: cool

[19:55:42]

juski:

xanium4332: we never have enough flyers at expos, and I always forget to put essential URLs on posters. not this time though

[19:55:55]

Dibblah:

ruinevil: Are you running a release or SVN?

[19:55:59]

juski:

obex-push ftw!

[19:56:02]

xanium4332:

at least you can edit on-the-fly if needed

[19:56:19]

xanium4332:

you want autoscan & push

[19:56:22]

juski:

xanium4332: it's disappointingly easy to do

[19:56:27]

Dibblah:

If you're running SVN, then all you need to do is push select / enter / whatever on the text field.

[19:56:40]

Dibblah:

Then use the OSK to enter whateve you actually want.

[19:56:49]

xanium4332:

juski: do u send a contact, a text document or what?

[19:57:07]

Dibblah:

I don't care how much it looks like a spinbox, it isn't ;)

[19:57:17]

juski:

xanium4332: my script scans, if it finds a new device, pushes a file called mythtv.txt to it. if it fails, just goes back to scanning.. ish

[19:57:31]

xanium4332:

lol

[19:57:52]

xanium4332:

the ultimate in autonomous advertising

[19:58:09]

juski:

xanium4332: contact infos & stuff aren't as ubiquitous as txt files

[19:58:19]

juski:

plus it's only a few bytes, so quick to send

[19:59:55]

juski:

tell the truth the script isn't actually written yet, but even I know it's pretty much a no-brainer

[20:00:05]

juski:

I've proved the concept already

[20:00:40]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, i think I;ve found the problem

[20:00:54]

Kevorkian:

Oh really SpaceBass what was it ? .

[20:01:33]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, not confirmed yet...but after running the OS X frontend for the first time (and hitting the DB), I then removed vmware player on the backend box...which trashed my network settings...looks like that box stopped accepting connections after that

[20:02:03]

ruinevil:

probably a release

[20:02:21]

SpaceBass:

bounced the box and its not getting an IP...things are kinda hosed at the moment

[20:02:54]

planktonboy:

if I already have an svn build installed via checkinstall after compiling, if I want to to compile a newer svn build do I need to uninstall the older version debs first or will checkinstall just update over the top

[20:03:15]

planktonboy:

just want to get that out the way before this compile finishes

[20:05:00]

planktonboy:

just trying to install a patched svn build, and am worried that if I run checkinstall it will try and install over the top of the existing version

[20:07:34]

stuarta:

9day 11hrs of tv to watch :(

[20:10:11]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, ok...problem resolved ... frontend connected to back...still cannot play :(

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juski:

!search juski bluejack

[20:13:09]

tcpsyn:

new theme?

[20:13:33]

juski:

haha no

[20:15:15]

juski:

though the way projectgrayhem is going, YES

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tcpsyn:

project grayhem is nice

[20:18:41]

tcpsyn:

I likes it

[20:18:47]

juski:

it's changing!

[20:18:50]

juski:

see the website

[20:19:17]

tcpsyn:

putting more stuff

[20:19:37]

Anduin:

usually just enough to make you hate the new theme

[20:19:49]

tcpsyn:

You know what I noticed about grayhem.

[20:19:50]

juski:

haha

[20:19:54]

juski:

it was shite?

[20:20:01]

juski:

because it truly was

[20:20:01]

tcpsyn:

when it's loading up.. sometimes the status bar is gray

[20:20:03]

SpaceBass:

Kevorkian, I'm making good progress...thanks for the help earlier

[20:20:04]

tcpsyn:

and sometimes its green.

[20:20:19]

juski:

that's to do with your qt theme IIRC

[20:20:32]

tcpsyn:

ah

[20:21:58]

juski:

Anduin: not had any complaints about the new version yet

[20:22:11]

juski:

not that I'm willing to revert it should I get any..

[20:22:20]

tcpsyn:

heh

[20:24:03]

Anduin:

juski: Yeah, not specifically directed at you (I've only seen screen shots of your stuff), just why I usually switch themes (either too much changes, or they stop getting updated, in the "it works with new stuff" way)

[20:24:23]

Anduin:

man or ed

[20:24:24]

Anduin:

y

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juski:

I don't know of many themes that have undergone changes in the time I've used myth. more likely for themes to fall behind

[20:25:08]

juski:

.. I think

[20:25:28]

juski:

I'd class the changes my themes go through as 'maturing' ;)

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planktonboy:

damn..got a cddecoder.o error during make of mythplugins/mythmusic

[20:29:18]

planktonboy:

does anyone know what that might be caused by

[20:29:43]

stuarta:

did you distclean?

[20:29:47]

Anduin:

planktonboy: you would need to paste more of the error

[20:30:57]

planktonboy:

Anduin, ok 1 sec will paste it to pastebin

[20:31:01]

planktonboy:

cheers

[20:32:32]

** Anduin moves bet from black to missing dependency **

[20:33:31]

planktonboy:

http://pastebin.ca/520000

[20:34:17]

Anduin:

planktonboy: You have a bad mix

[20:34:20]

planktonboy:

stuarta, I am compiling in a new dir

[20:34:35]

planktonboy:

so I didnt do an svn update

[20:34:42]

planktonboy:

Anduin

[20:35:01]

planktonboy:

what exactly is that

[20:35:03]

planktonboy:

:)

[20:35:05]

sinthetek:

i recently upgraded mythtv and had to re-configure everything and now i cannot seem to get my tv listings configured/working properly

[20:35:28]

sphery:

sinthetek: where in the world?

[20:35:39]

sinthetek:

some of the station names and channel numbers are off and so my scheduled recordings (which persisted through the upgrade) are ttrying to record the wrong channels

[20:35:45]

Anduin:

planktonboy: Oh, like you have 0.20 installed to /usr and you are building svn to /usr/local, it will still pick up /usr/include/mythtv

[20:35:49]

sinthetek:

north carolina, .us

[20:36:41]

sinthetek:

i've tried using mythtv-setup and setting it to us-cable, us-bcast and us-cable-hrc (or some such)

[20:36:50]

sinthetek:

and then run mythfilldatabase afterward

[20:37:08]

planktonboy:

Anduin, ok

[20:37:11]

sphery:

digital or analog TV?

[20:37:26]

sinthetek:

always the same result, though; it doesn't list the station name, and the channels are mixed up

[20:37:29]

sinthetek:

analog

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Anduin:

planktonboy: So was that an accurate description of what you've done?

[20:38:05]

planktonboy:

would it be better for me do dpkg -r the existing mythplugins package first before running a make again

[20:38:17]

planktonboy:

Anduin, sort of

[20:38:17]

sphery:

How did you populate the channels? Using "Fetch channels from listings provider" or did you do a channel scan. (The former is good, the latter is bad.)

[20:38:40]

Anduin:

planktonboy: the headers will not be part of the plugins so removing them shouldn't fix it

[20:39:02]

sinthetek:

i did them both at some point.. but more recently just the channel scan i believe

[20:39:17]

sinthetek:

i don't recall seeing the fetch listings option the last few times i tried it. where is that at exactly again?

[20:39:21]

Anduin:

channel scan is a trap

[20:39:36]

sphery:

sinthetek: OK. Let's first clean things up. Go into mythtv-setup and use the "Delete all video sources" button to remove all video sources.

[20:40:26]

sphery:

sinthetek: Then, re-create your video source (using DataDirect with userid/password), then re-create your input connections (i.e. tell Myth to associate the new video source with the S-Video or Tuner or whatever input)

[20:40:47]

sphery:

sinthetek: Then, use the "Fetch channels from listings provider" button to get the channels.

[20:41:17]

planktonboy:

Anduin, 2 things I have done since last successful svn build was copy over mythweb, and change ffmpeg for a self compiled version

[20:41:39]

planktonboy:

but I just built mythtv fine

[20:41:44]

sphery:

At that point, you should have all your channels properly defined. Then, all pre-existing recording rules should work, with the exception of any channel-specific rules for channels whose callsign differs from what you had previously used.

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sphery:

For those, you have the option of changing the callsign in MythTV to match the old value you had or of deleting and re-creating those recording rules (so that next time you have to reconfigure channels, you can use DataDirect's default callsign values).

[20:42:39]

planktonboy:

and it built a mythtv deb package fine

[20:43:11]

planktonboy:

ah and it could be possibly a patch I applied, I'll bet thats it

[20:43:21]

Anduin:

planktonboy: did you update the plugins without updating (and installing) the base?

[20:43:31]

sphery:

sinthetek: BTW, if you don't use the "Delete all video sources" button (and delete all the video sources one by one), you'll probably still have a broken configuration.

[20:43:37]

planktonboy:

yes

[20:43:47]

planktonboy:

havent installed the base yet

[20:43:51]

Anduin:

planktonboy: do it

[20:43:58]

planktonboy:

ok

[20:44:18]

Anduin:

planktonboy: always make and install the base, otherwise you miss API changes in the "shared" headers the plugins use

[20:44:22]

planktonboy:

thought I could build a package first withut having to install mythtv base first

[20:44:27]

planktonboy:

aha

[20:44:30]

planktonboy:

I understand

[20:44:32]

planktonboy:

thanks

[20:44:36]

planktonboy:

will try that

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planktonboy:

shouod I do a make clean first and then try a make again, of course after installing the base

[20:46:39]

Anduin:

planktonboy: I would, for this change it probably isn't needed (I'd still waste the few minutes cleaning/rebuilding)

[20:47:00]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Alright, using the timer override switch and disabling HPET has offically fixed my timer problems causing the buffer error. (For the record, I did try using the switch and not disabling HPET and it did not work, so it's a combination of them both)

[20:47:09]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Still think I should post it to the dev mailing list?

[20:47:27]

planktonboy:

Anduin, ok

[20:48:17]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Keep in mind that I'll be saying "Anduin told post this" so any flack I get about it being my system, or my setup etc.. is partly your shoulders ;-)

[20:48:30]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: At the very least it would put the information in a commonly searched location. I was hoping we would be able to detect and workaround, not sure if that is going to be possible.

[20:49:06]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Well, the timer override thing at least should be, since the kernal obviously can. (As my sys log said "Using nvidia board, enable blah blah if you have timer problems"

[20:50:51]

sinthetek:

awesome! thanks a lot, sphery

[20:51:24]

planktonboy:

Anduin, thanks for the help...installed the base and dine a make clean in mythplugins, now just trying the make again

[20:51:42]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: Yeah but things that are easily accessible to the driver may require a bit more work on our end, checking for /proc/blah/hpet and X is going to be ugly at best.

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NewCastleScott:

Hello all,Im back and now have my gentoo box seeing my tv card.Im lost as to how to set up the channels and use a guide.can anyone lend me a hand?

[20:57:08]

NewCastleScott:

I know guide is front end right

[20:57:18]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: I'm still sort of inclined to think it might just be something wonky with my system that isn't causing the same issue for other people

[20:57:31]

sinthetek:

shouldn't the cable signal give some sort of channel info, too?

[20:58:02]

sinthetek:

i know our tv can display channel/program info with no digital box or anything

[20:58:13]

sinthetek:

is there someway to make mythtv see that info, too?

[20:58:38]

Anduin:

sinthetek: It gets much better information from a listing source

[20:59:44]

sinthetek:

is there a better free source than zap2it?

[20:59:45]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: still would be nice so someone else can find the solution, there are others that have trouble with RTC as well, though not with the same cause.

[21:00:03]

Anduin:

sinthetek: No

[21:00:32]

NewCastleScott:

can someone link me to a page as to how to configure the backend?how do I add channels and a program guide?

[21:00:53]

Anduin:

NewCastleScott: You want to configure a channel lineup with zap2it, any of the better install guides should have info.

[21:01:27]

NewCastleScott:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV is thwe one I have been using and I dont see anything on it

[21:01:40]

sinthetek:

ok, just checking. my ex said her tivo lists episode # and date it was released :P

[21:02:03]

NewCastleScott:

I found this thanks http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_Zap2It/XMLTV_for_MythTV

[21:02:08]

planktonboy:

Anduin, thanks very much, that did the trick

[21:02:12]

planktonboy:

:))

[21:02:16]

sphery:

sinthetek: hit 'u' while in the Watch Recordings page

[21:02:23]

Kevorkian:

Sometimes it will depending on what data they get.

[21:02:28]

planktonboy:

cheers

[21:03:00]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: Definately. I just updated the wiki again to reflect my latest findings.

[21:03:01]

Kevorkian:

ive never seen a tivo list epi #

[21:03:09]

sinthetek:

wow

[21:03:11]

Kevorkian:

and date is simple the year

[21:03:22]

sinthetek:

can you do that from the program guide as well?

[21:03:23]

sinthetek:

:D

[21:03:34]

sinthetek:

i need to test this remote on another computer...

[21:03:46]

sinthetek:

and/or hurry and order another one

[21:03:49]

Kevorkian:

unless of course she is calling her cable co DVR a tivo .. and its not a TIVO brand tivo

[21:04:02]

sinthetek:

i cannot get this stupid serial receiver to work

[21:04:56]

sphery:

sinthetek: It's possible that it works in the EPG, too. I don't use the EPG, so I don't know. (I haven't watched LiveTV since I started using Myth.)

[21:05:05]

sinthetek:

she says it's a tivo...i haven't seen it personally though

[21:05:08]

NewCastleScott:

whare do I find the cert. code to create an account with zap2it?Im on gentoo

[21:05:47]

Anduin:

NewCastleScott: Yeah, that is too specific, they just tell you where to go, the main MythTV documentation has info in the Input Connections section (limited information, but it is easy)

[21:06:04]

NewCastleScott:

Anduin, thanks

[21:06:09]

Anduin:

NewCastleScott: It was also in the link you posted above

[21:06:20]

sinthetek:

woooord

[21:06:22]

sinthetek:

it does

[21:06:24]

sphery:

The link I posted...

[21:06:26]

sphery:

:)

[21:06:42]

Anduin:

sphery: Yes, and the link he posted as well, really :)

[21:08:13]

sphery:

Oh, yeah. Hadn't read that far back in my scroll buffer...

[21:08:29]

kormoc_:

expecting people to read

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** kormoc_ shake his head sadly **

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gpd:

ok – this is annoying, I can't remember how to toggle the checkboxes with the keyboard in the setup area – and I can't see if they are toggled as they are off the edge of the screen...

[21:10:26]

xanium4332:

isn't it just the [enter]

[21:10:27]

xanium4332:

key

[21:10:38]

xanium4332:

or space even

[21:13:05]

gpd:

no, neither --- actually it is right arrow

[21:13:15]

gpd:

enter and space both jump to the next page

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gpd:

fixed now – used another frontend on a different machine – hopefully this will change the setting in the backend

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warlord:

Hmm, I wonder if my firewire problem is specific to x86_64 or Fedora7? even running firewire_tester crashes consistently.

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warlord:

(and I can't seem to get test-mpeg2 to work again)

[21:19:07]

warlord:

* grumbles *

[21:21:54]

planktonboy:

Anduin, so far so good, has installed ok it seems

[21:22:00]

planktonboy:

just checking it out now

[21:22:10]

planktonboy:

Anduin, thanks again mate :)

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stuarta:

sounds like you hardware is starting to go bad

[21:28:10]

simon_c:

Hi All, Is there an easy way to tell myth archive to import a bunch of programs at once ? Or do I have to import each one manually ?

[21:28:12]

gpd:

mtnbkr-laptop: sounds like you are entering a region of bad memory

[21:28:29]

gpd:

mtnbkr-laptop: did you try memtest on it?

[21:28:50]

mtnbkr-laptop:

that is my next step... Just found this though http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . oots;#153063

[21:29:22]

mtnbkr-laptop:

seems exactly my symptoms.

[21:29:38]

stuarta:

do you have a pvr500 though?

[21:30:27]

gpd:

Is 104M RES about right for mythfrontend – or can I do better with a lighter theme?

[21:30:53]

stuarta:

gpd: that's about the ball park

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mtnbkr-laptop:

yep pvr500 dual channel was working fine in a previous (slightly slower) machine

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gpd:

ok fine. still struggling a little with 256M when recording and playing back – but no commercial flagging should help now

[21:32:22]

Anduin:

gpd: there is a patch for svn that may get you below that

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mtnbkr-laptop:

hmmm, seems I also have a VIA chipset. VP_IDE: VIA vt82c596b (rev 23) IDE UDMA66 controller on pci0000:00:07.1

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gpd:

I assume that having the mysql database a significant number of hops away will make performance *poor* ?

[21:33:23]

kormoc:

yes

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gpd:

ok – not much choice but to throw money at it then

[21:37:16]

stuarta:

RAM is cheap atm

[21:38:24]

gpd:

yeah, but this is an old mobo – so it would be more sensible to completely upgrade than throw money away on PC133

[21:38:44]

gpd:

then of course I want the best and it becomes expensive ;)

[21:38:57]

stuarta:

true, it'll work as a backend, not great as a frontend

[21:39:31]

Made_Man:

I hear that, gpd, it's a love/hate thing when a part goes out

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gpd:

its not bad actually, except when recording and playing back and fiddling int he background

[21:39:53]

Made_Man:

I'm excited I get to replace it with something better, but for just $xx more I can get this...

[21:40:15]

gpd:

Made_Man: exactly my problem...

[21:40:32]

gpd:

for only a few more $ I could get a Dual core!

[21:40:40]

Made_Man:

haha there you go

[21:41:14]

NewCastleScott:

I have come across another hangup with my myth setup I thought I had it configured correctly but it looks like its not.I start the front end and get an error saying something like the backend isnt running I cant see any channels. When I have set up the backend and try to scan for channels none show up.What am I doing wrong?

[21:41:14]

scopeuk:

adn for only $4000000 more you could buy a full server setup from ibm

[21:41:20]

scopeuk:

the arguement always stands

[21:43:26]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: why are you scanning for channels? I thought you had an IVTV card?

[21:43:30]

sphery:

gpd: I reused an Athlon XP 2400+ system that was my old desktop and when all was said and done I spent more than 2x as much as it would have cost to just get a new system, had 6 months of unreliable operation while replacing the failing parts, and ended up with only the CPU and case actually getting reused (even the power supply failed).

[21:44:02]

NewCastleScott:

warlord, I do So its not needed?I have sined up with zap2it also

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gpd:

sphery: hah – that is the route i am starting on! Like beggar's soup...

[21:44:25]

sphery:

Had I just replaced it initially, I would have had newer-design, better, cheaper RAM and motherboard. As it is, I spent 2x as much as a new system and ended up with an out-of-date system.

[21:44:39]

NewCastleScott:

ouch

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warlord:

NewCastleScott: no need to scan. just pull the channels from there . Did you run MythFilldatabase?

[21:44:47]

sphery:

You never know which way it will turn out until you're done.

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NewCastleScott:

Im doing it now for the seccond time... warlord

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gpd:

sphery: very true – but my AGP nvida 6800 seems a waste to chuck :(

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NewCastleScott:

warlord, its done now Ill try to start the front end...

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sphery:

Even the CPU heat sink/fan got replaced... (fan failed)

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gpd:

sphery: replaced the CPU fan today... PSU yesterday!

[21:45:59]

warlord:

does http://<backend>:6544/ show your ivtv encoder?

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gpd:

luckily the PSU is compatible with the new mobo that I *will* get next...

[21:46:30]

NewCastleScott:

I get an error saying couldnt connect to master backend server...what can I provide in order to get some help?

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stuarta:

gpd: you can still find agp boards

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warlord:

the output of that URL, NewCastleScott

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NewCastleScott:

what do I want for the ip address?its set as lo

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warlord:

this is all on one machine, right?

[21:47:48]

NewCastleScott:

warlord, http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/520268

[21:47:51]

NewCastleScott:

yes

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NewCastleScott:

that is term. output while frontend is running

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warlord:

What do you get from http://localhost:6544/ ?

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warlord:

Is the backend running?

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NewCastleScott:

time out

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NewCastleScott:

yes its started and restarted added to default run level

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warlord:

Are you sure it's still running?

[21:50:41]

warlord:

What's in the backend log?

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NewCastleScott:

warlord, whare is the log.file

[21:51:20]

warlord:

wherever you told the backend to put it.

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gpd:

damn it. it seems that the commercial flag setting is per frontend...

[21:53:21]

** gpd is tempted to hack the sql **

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juski:

gpd: autoskip is yes

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gpd:

ok, what about the setting for doing it in the first place?

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juski:

stored per backend AFAIK

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gpd:

so i should be able to find it in the sql?

[21:54:25]

juski:

yeah

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NewCastleScott:

http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/520293 mythtv backend log.file

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warlord:

NewCastleScott: QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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NewCastleScott:

hmmm

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warlord:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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warlord:

Database error was:

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warlord:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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warlord:

The backend isn't working

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gpd:

juski: AutoCommercialFlag 0 <-- ?

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janneg:

juski: do you have Flyers I cold borrow for linuxtag? I wanted to prepare them yesterday, but I had to much troubles setting the system up

[21:59:14]

NewCastleScott:

I have been folowing this wiki http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV I did it step by step....

[21:59:28]

NewCastleScott:

but evadentl not...

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juski:

janneg: www.juski.co.uk/mythtvflyer.png ?

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warlord:

NewCastleScott: looks like you didn't get qt-MySQL installed

[22:00:12]

warlord:

I have no idea what the gentoo package is called

[22:00:26]

juski:

janneg: ahh! www.juski.co.uk/promo/mythtvflyer.png

[22:00:46]

** gpd wonders if gentoo to run a myth box is slight overkill, decides to keep quiet **

[22:01:50]

NewCastleScott:

the [I] are installed I think its not configured correctly... http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/520313

[22:02:21]

NewCastleScott:

gpd not it my daly pc as well its not a dedacated one..

[22:02:33]

NewCastleScott:

Im using it as a desktop

[22:03:11]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: actually, I think the error is a password misconfiguration.

[22:03:13]

NewCastleScott:

gdp and to top it all of I have been a linux user for mabe 4–5 monts...

[22:03:34]

NewCastleScott:

hmmm I want to set the root pw right or a diffrent one?

[22:03:59]

NewCastleScott:

mysql pw=root?

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NewCastleScott:

or am I a fool?

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clever[rev]:

getting odd errors from lvm

[22:04:47]

clever[rev]:

device-mapper: reload ioctl failed: Invalid argument

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stuarta:

thats not pretty

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warlord:

NewCastleScott: it's whatever you set it as.

[22:05:20]

warlord:

("it" == Mysql password)

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clever[rev]:

i was getting it when trying to add 100 pe's to a lv

[22:06:29]

NewCastleScott:

warlord, so the passwd is set as it was before now how do I give myth the passwd to access mysql?

[22:06:47]

juski:

stuarta: got my bluetooth spam script up & going now :D

[22:06:48]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[22:06:49]

NewCastleScott:

I think that is the issue of do I not know whats goin on

[22:06:54]

NewCastleScott:

thanks

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stuarta:

juski: that worrys me for some reason...

[22:07:10]

warlord:

I dont know how you configured your mysql db.

[22:07:44]

juski:

stuarta: it's not a nasty thing – and folks expect that kind of jazz when they leave their phone as discoverable IMHO :)

[22:08:04]

stuarta:

uh huh...

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juski:

if a crowd arrives carrying a noose, I'll just kill the script

[22:09:11]

juski:

anyway.. bedtimeish

[22:09:16]

juski:

g'night all

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stuarta:

night

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NewCastleScott:

how do I add mythtv to mysql?I see when I restart it there is a (0) does this mean there are no accounts?

[22:12:55]

NewCastleScott:

I have looked in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and saw mythtv as a username how do I add mythtv to mysql?

[22:14:03]

stuarta:

oh joy, mythmusic won't build cause of 32bit vs 64bit issues.

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janneg:

stuarta: night

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stuarta:

that was mainly for juski but i won't be far off

[22:14:27]

janneg:

juski: thanks

[22:15:26]

janneg:

ah, I just switched to this channel and your voiced nick is eye catching

[22:15:49]

NewCastleScott:

how do I add myth to mysql?

[22:15:58]

stuarta:

hehe... must speak to o_cee about that, there's a couple of devs without +v

[22:15:59]

gbee:

stuarta: ?

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NewCastleScott:

I think thats the issue Im having

[22:16:15]

stuarta:

gbee: i'll pastebin...

[22:16:20]

gbee:

thanks

[22:16:55]

stuarta:

http://pastebin.ca/520356

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stuarta:

maybe i'm missing something. it compiled before...

[22:19:03]

gbee:

huh, never seen it before myself

[22:19:34]

stuarta:

me either, that file hasn't been updated since 2006-02–13 16:58:55

[22:19:53]

stuarta:

so it's me libs i reckon...

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gbee:

aye

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stuarta:

that's what happens when you upgrade shit to get nspluginwrapper working (which didn't work btw)

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gbee:

stuarta: no? :( Worked straight off for me

[22:22:15]

stuarta:

nope. doesn't like the java, it's not a NSAPI plugin or some crap

[22:22:59]

stuarta:

which is one of the main reasons i wanted it.

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gbee:

ahh, didn't install it for the java just assumed it would work though

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stuarta:

so did i. :(

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Tanthrix:

When installing mysql 4.1.22 from source, it has "Linux (x86, glibc-2.2, "standard is static") and just Linux (x86) – what's the differece? Does the former have its libraries included?

[22:25:42]

Tanthrix:

Or more to the point: which one should I go with?

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planktonboy:

Awesome

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stuarta:

on the bright side the flash plugin works under it :-/

[22:27:09]

stuarta:

but i hate flash...

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planktonboy:

got that shoutcast patcvh working with mythmusic now and libvisual projectM visuals

[22:27:29]

Tanthrix:

stuarta: Quite the conundrum! ;) (Though flash is useful to have your youtube and such..)

[22:28:24]

stuarta:

yeah, well, i need java for F1 live timings and work stuff

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stuarta:

pita

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planktonboy:

this is just soooo cool

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stuarta:

!trout nspluginwrapper NSAPI plugin specification

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** MythLogBot slaps nspluginwrapper with a NSAPI plugin specification trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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gbee:

hmm, just noticed that configure is no longer finding libfaad on my system – which is odd because it's there

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stuarta:

hmm

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NewCastleScott:

what ip address do I want for my mythsetup Im guessing the lo sence Im on the same machine...

[22:38:41]

NewCastleScott:

I keep getting errors when trying to run the front end

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mtnbkr-laptop:

can I start mythbackend and tell it to ignore it's capture cards? trying to stop this thing from spontaneously rebooting without actually removing the card (ie: rmmod ivtv, rename module and restart mythbackend)

[22:39:51]

mtnbkr-laptop:

'spose I could just temporarily remove them from the database too though...

[22:41:14]

mtnbkr-laptop:

heh... yep... that did it. :)

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NewCastleScott:

has all the help left for the day?

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kormoc:

NewCastleScott, or more likely you just haven't provided enough info for anyone to actually help you

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xris:

NewCastleScott: if you ever want to run a remote frontend, use the real IP

[22:52:16]

xris:

if you will only ever use the same machine, 127.0.0.1 is fine

[22:52:25]

xris:

and.. it's not that hard to change later if you have to.

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NewCastleScott:

its on the same machine I think its a mysql error on my part... http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/520451

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Tanthrix:

Newegg.com, newegg.com, and newegg.com mainly.

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Leebier:

I'm having an issue I'm having trouble searching for because it's not obvious to describe, so i'll try here... sometime over the weekend, i lost the ability to ff/rew/skip/etc while watching programming. After starting a show, I can do so once (though it's pretty laggy), after that, the OSD progress metter seems to be stuck at that point and the FF/REW/Commercial skip buttons don't do their...

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Leebier:

...job. however, the OSD does respond and say "skip ahead" and the like, it just doesn't actually skip. Other buttons (e.g. menu) do their job but "exit" does not actually close the show

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Kevorkian:

oh chit .. mythtv on teh front page of slashdot ..

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xris:

Kevorkian: happens every few weeks

[23:06:22]

Kevorkian:

slash being my start page .. I havent noticed it in a while.

[23:06:46]

Kevorkian:

just saying .. might get a few questions here now

[23:09:05]

Leebier:

i take it no one has any ideas about my playback issue? needless to say, not being able to pause or ff has seriously reduced the usability of the box

[23:09:29]

xris:

Leebier: sounds like the seek tables are messed up

[23:09:34]

hugolp:

Hi

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xris:

you could try rebuilding them with mythcommflag (--help for the param name)

[23:09:52]

Leebier:

xris: hmm, i know nothing about seek tables, what's a good place to start lookin at it?

[23:10:26]

Leebier:

you ansewred the question before i could even ask it :)

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Leebier:

xris: 2 q's... 1) should frontend be closed and/or not playing when i do this 2) would this really affect not just skipping commercials but all seeking?

[23:14:03]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: your error is still: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[23:14:10]

warlord:

Fix that.

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NewCastleScott:

warlord, I have tryed "mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql" and gotten ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[23:20:40]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: that's because you set a 'root' password on your database.

[23:21:28]

NewCastleScott:

how do I not have a password or is that not advised?

[23:22:01]

warlord:

Well, that error implies you DO have a password, but you didn't tell mysql to use it.

[23:22:10]

warlord:

try "mysql -p < .../mc.sql"

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NewCastleScott:

no sutch file what am I to replace the ...?

[23:23:43]

warlord:

NewCastleScott: go read what you wrote to me about 5 lines up.

[23:24:59]

NewCastleScott:

warlord, I see that it sais no pw...

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kormoc:

NewCastleScott, in short, you really should read up on the basics of mysql and linux

[23:27:08]

xris:

Leebier: frontend shouldn't matter. seek tables for mythtv recordings are stored in the db, and retrieved on-demand

[23:27:53]

Leebier:

Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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warlord:

NewCastleScott: go re-read what you wrote to me.

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Leebier:

hmm, now to remembre how to rebuild the db, eh?

[23:29:29]

NewCastleScott:

(using password: NO I see warlord

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warlord:

NewCastleScott: read it again.. keep reading until you figure it out. then come back here.

[23:31:26]

NewCastleScott:

warlord I do understand there is a pw set

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warlord:

good

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NewCastleScott:

Im going to take a break from tthis for a bat as I have been at it for hrs...mabe Ill run into ya in a while.I thank you for your time

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warlord:

ok. good luck.

[23:32:31]

NewCastleScott:

thanks

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warlord:

If all else fails you might consider resetting your mysql state and reconfiguring from scratch.

[23:34:55]

Leebier:

xris: hmm, i just did mysqlcheck --rebuild and it doesn't seem to have had recordedseek on its list

[23:35:15]

Leebier:

so mythcommflag is still exiting w/ an error

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kormoc:

Leebier, try mysqlcheck --repair

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Leebier:

err, i meant repair

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xris:

Leebier: or run optimize_mythdb.pl (contrib)

[23:36:00]

xris:

Leebier: does the table exist? what version of myth are you running?

[23:36:09]

Leebier:

not sure it does, 0.20

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kormoc:

Leebier, mysqlcheck --repair mythconverg recordedseek?

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Leebier:

ah, there we go

[23:37:44]

Leebier:

why didn't --repair mythconverg work? it seems to have gone though many of the tables, but not that one

[23:37:57]

Leebier:

or does it not find it because it was crashed, which seems an unfortunate "feature" ? :)

[23:38:23]

xris:

Leebier: repair is for tablkes, not full databases

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Leebier:

which makes sense, except it ran through a few dozen tables, it doesn't really matter, was just curious

[23:39:15]

warlord:

I think you can --repair the dtaabase and it will iterate through the tables.

[23:39:24]

hads:

Yes, it will.

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kormoc:

Leebier, cause you don't have autorepair enabled

[23:39:34]

hads:

Or -A for all databases I believe

[23:39:43]

Tanthrix:

Ugh, zap2it messed up my channel listings. Now I get the joy of resorting 700 channels..

[23:39:45]

Leebier:

right, it did, it just didn't iterate through the one i actually needed repaired :)

[23:40:01]

Leebier:

now, the real question will be if i can seek again

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kormoc:

Leebier, without autorepair enabled it won't autorepair

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Leebier:

kormoc: gotcha

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hads:

kormoc: Odd

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hads:

Who would have thunk it ;)

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Leebier:

thanks xirs and all

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Leebier:

err, xris

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sphery:

Leebier: However, the optimize_mythdb.pl script that xris wrote (and recommended you use) does everything for you...

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squish103:

i see mythdora made front page of slashdot

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sphery:

Leebier: So you'll never have to worry about learning all the ins 'n outs of mysqlcheck. :)

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Leebier:

ahh, hmm, i'll have to make a note of that! is the "optimization" the kind of thing one would want to run while everything is working fine or is it a repair tool?

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xris:

squish103: yup

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sphery:

Leebier: also yup

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sphery:

The comments at the top of optimize_mythdb.pl recommend running it in a daily cron. I've been (happily) doing so for a couple of years, now.

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Leebier:

sphery: it was an "or" question. while yes is a good answer to OR when programming, it isn't terribly useful in english :)

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Leebier:

ah, there we go :)

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sphery:

It's really both.

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kormoc:

Leebier, it does both

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sphery:

It repairs if necessary. It also optimizes when everything is working.

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Leebier:

sweet

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sphery:

Only thing that will be sweeter is when it turns into a repair-only tool. :)

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sphery:

(That will be after I've made the time to rewrite a portion of the backend to allow automatic repair, analyze, optimize, and backup.)

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hatter:

how can i make the zero delay in the video output ?

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kormoc:

hatter, in short, you can't

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sphery:

hatter: Are you saying that sound is 1 or 2 seconds in front of video?

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sphery:

Or are you asking for instantaneous video?

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hatter:

no, i want to use mythtv for security, multiple cameras, zero delay

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sphery:

If the first, it's your sound config. If the second, see kormoc's answer.

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hatter:

yes. instantaneous video, or at least adjustable in the range of 0 to 5 seconds

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sphery:

What are you trying to do?

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hatter:

there are two things actually

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hatter:

one is security cameras,

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xris:

hatter: you can't. it takes time to encode the video. even hardware encoder cards have a partial-second delay

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hatter:

partial second would be fine

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hatter:

but 5 seconds

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hatter:

i would like to reduce

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xris:

hatter: if you're doing security cameras, you really want something like zoneminder.

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xris:

i.e. designed for the task.

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sphery:

My PVR-x50's seemed to have about a 1 1/2 second delay.

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sphery:

(and that was without Myth)

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xris:

sphery: writing to disk, and mythtv reading probably adds that other bit. I was timing things coming straight off of the dev (pipe to mplayer)

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sphery:

hatter: Might even want to check out MythZoneMinder.

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sphery:

I never piped to MPlayer. Might have been the decoder on my PVR-350--went from x50 encode to 350 decode...

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hatter:

cool , i will check them out, the other thing is action replay

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hatter:

but that needs to be adjustable from 0 to 5 seconds

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sphery:

like seek backwards some amount and play it again?

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kormoc:

hatter, it's not going to be adjustable, it'll just be whatever it is

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hatter:

there is windows software that does it, that works great, but expensive, i think myth could do it

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hads:

Make a patch

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hatter:

sphery, sort of, more like a live 5 second behind shot

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sphery:

The closest you could get is to set different playback groups for different shows. (I.e. jump back X seconds for football and Y seconds for basketball.)

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hatter:

so you could see a goal again for instance

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sphery:

Picture-in-Picture kind of thing?

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hatter:

a camera pointing at the goals, displayed on the screen

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Leebier:

sphery- dumb question, but i've thus far avoided cron pretty successfully, but i cna just copy the script into /etc/cron.daily, right?

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hatter:

then after the goal, you can look up and see it again

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kormoc:

hatter, "look up" ?

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xris:

Leebier: symlink is usually better

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xris:

Leebier: but yes, you can.

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Leebier:

right, still a windows user 98% of the time, i forget about symlinks :)

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hads:

hatter: The rewind button.

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** sphery is glad xris answered that... I don't use a typical distro. **

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hatter:

yes, this is fine, i was just wondering if the 5 second delay can be reduced

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kormoc:

hatter, so you want the rewind button to go less then 5 seconds, eh?

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hatter:

kormoc, or the minimum delay to be reduced

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kdub:

where can a get a freaking rpm for make

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kdub:

i cant make make without make

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squish103:

lol

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xris:

sphery: there's always `crontab -e`

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xris:

kdub: yum provides?

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** kormoc blinks at hatter and thinks he's just mad as a... **

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hads:

kdub: Your distro's repository.

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kormoc:

kdub, try using the correct name of the package

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hatter:

kormoc: 5 seconds is the current delay isnt it ?

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kdub:

i dont know what it is

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xris:

kdub: yum provides /usr/bin/make

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xris:

or whatever other package manager you're using

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hatter:

...and you're right, too much mercury in my diet :)

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Leebier:

xris: i was trying to avoid using crontab, i think i hosed a system accidentally in there

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sphery:

xris: Yeah. I'm a crontab -e believer... Don't like the idea of having a place where scripts just get executed...

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kormoc:

hatter, of the rewind button yes, of the actual delay to the screen, typically it's a bit less

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kormoc:

hatter, tho the rewind button is already adjustable

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xris:

sphery: cron.daily and its ilk are all handled via a crontab, too...

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hatter:

kormoc, ok, i counted 5 seconds yesterday

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Leebier:

so while i'm here, any other scripts i don't know about that i should be running?

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xris:

sphery: you can call a directory in cron, and it'll run every script in it.

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mchou:

anyone have any issues with mythfrontend seg faulting on exit?

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