Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, May 28th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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tormen0815:

?

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kormoc:

mythfrontend doesn't call lame_encode_*

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GreyFoxx:

So? That's a different beast that decoding it.

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tormen0815:

Hmm.

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tormen0815:

What I was thinking was: that mythtranscode should simply copy the audio information and just reencode the video to divx?

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tormen0815:

(but I don't know if this is possible here with "nuv")

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tormen0815:

(nuv container)

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kormoc:

tormen0815, you could always just set your card to capture in mpeg-4 to start with, no extra encoding needed...

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tormen0815:

the problem is even if I set the bitrate to 4000 (maximum possible) I have round about 50% mor cpu then with RJPEG.

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kormoc:

well, yeah. That's expected

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kormoc:

you'll be using much more then that to re-encode into mpeg-4

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tormen0815:

But as I have 2 tv-cards ... and lots of spam and spamassassin uses 15–30% of my cpu sometimes, I need to keep the recording around 30% cpu ... and this I got only with rjpeg. And I have no money for a new cpu at the moment.

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tormen0815:

yes but the reencoding doesn't need to be in realtime. And I niced mythtranscode to 19 :-)

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kormoc:

buying new cards would be a better investment, a pvr 500 or dual 150s would solve the issue much better

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kormoc:

could always renice spamassassin ;)

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tormen0815:

yes. I reniced it also :-)

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tormen0815:

ah the cards is a point yes. But of course without money to solve this would be the best.

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tormen0815:

And as I said: I have regularily (without reason (seemingly)) single nuv-files that fail to be reencoded to divx.

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tormen0815:

But too much for my harddrive...

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tormen0815:

So I need a solution: Either mythtranscode to be able to compress the video or mencoder to do the job.

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tormen0815:

Of course ... I could use the mythtranscode-fifo-ffmpeg solution...

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tormen0815:

but a simple mencoder call would be nicer.

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Loto:

with todays cpu prices, id think duel core proc for <100 is likely cheaper than buying new tuners

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kormoc:

until you figure out why lame is failing, I think your shit out of luck with mythtranscode

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kormoc:

Loto, add in the cost for a new mobo and new ram...

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tormen0815:

And also to be able to use mplayer to play the .nuv files also from console sometimes is really nice to have.

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tormen0815:

kormoc: how can I find out?

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kormoc:

tormen0815, if you google about a bit, there was a myth nuv format patch for mplayer awhile ago, you might be able to find it

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kormoc:

tormen0815, likely by using gdb or similar

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Loto:

kormoc : true, but doing everything in software is much more flexable as far as codecs etc

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kormoc:

Loto, hardware tuners don't mean you can't re-encode in software later, and would use less cpu to do the capture which means you can do higher cpu encodings without killing new recordings

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kormoc:

Loto, yet alone the fact that (typically) hardware encoders have much better tuners then framegrabber cards do

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Loto:

ah didnt know framegrabbers were visually inferior

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tormen0815:

But the other thing would be to teach mplayer to play/understand (mythtv-)nuv.

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tormen0815:

As far as I understood, I thought this patch is now included in mplayer. Thats why they write on their homepage about mythtv.

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tormen0815:

> I have a .nuv file recorded with mythtv 0.20.1_p13344 which contains pcm

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tormen0815:

> uncompressed audio and RJPEG compressed video.

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tormen0815:

> mythfrontend can play the video.

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tormen0815:

>

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tormen0815:

> mplayer does not. It seems to detect the video-codec, but no picture

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tormen0815:

> appears.

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tormen0815:

Well, that file does not contain the quantizers used to encode it. I

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tormen0815:

guess mythfrontend uses some default values – MPlayer unfortunately uses

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tormen0815:

0 as default which results only in a black/green screen.

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tormen0815:

The "Well..." is the answer of the mplayer guys.

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xris:

Loto: it's not that framegrabbers are inferior, it's just that they tend to be... not an aspect of frame grabbers in general, but the choice of the manufacturers to put in low-quality tuners.

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xris:

tomimo: please don't flood.

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tormen0815:

But what are quantizers? part of .nuv container? part of the rjpeg video compression?

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xris:

er, tormen0815, not tomimo

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tormen0815:

xris: yes sorry.

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xris:

quantizer is usually part of the mathematical formula used to determine frame bitrate/quality during encode.

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xris:

I've never seen it referred to during playback/decode.

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tormen0815:

Hmm. But the guy said: mplayer would have to use 0 as default --> no picture?

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kormoc:

tormen0815, myth uses a non-standard nuv container format. it's not going to change. like I said above, there was a patch for mplayer awhile ago, and if you google you can likely find it.

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monkeyBox:

Does anyone here use the pcHDTV 5500?

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tormen0815:

kormoc: I know about the non-standard nuv-container.

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xris:

kormoc: myth actually uses the standard one now.. but that's only because the original standard disappeared and mythtv is the only thing that still uses nuv at all

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tormen0815:

kormoc: And mplayer seems willing to step towards mythtv (as the write on there homepage "support for some more MythTV NUV files")

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kormoc:

tormen0815, so what are you after? are you going to write the mplayer patches? if so, the source is on svn.mythtv.org

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kormoc:

xris, meh, it's not the original standard :P

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xris:

kormoc: mythtranscode won't transcode his file, so he's trying to use mplayer

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xris:

but if mt can't do it, there's something wrong

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kormoc:

tormen0815, myth is doing it the myth way, and thus if mplayer wants to play it, they'll need to change, as myth likely won't

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tormen0815:

I know. But as I posted above the mplayer guy told something about default values for the "quantizers". Do they exist in mythtv?

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kormoc:

no

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** directhex quantizes kormoc **

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tormen0815:

So I would just need to tell mplayer: Hey use these default values instead of 0.

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kormoc:

hence the reason they are missing

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kormoc:

perhaps

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** xris still thinks that quantizers are for encoding, not decoding. **

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xris:

anyway, I need to go. later, all.

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tormen0815:

kormoc: so what information is used by mythtv to encode?

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tormen0815:

or ... argh

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kormoc:

tormen0815, really, if you want to dive deeper, you'll need to go over the source yourself

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tormen0815:

what is missing for mplayer that mythfrontend is not when I play the movie...

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directhex:

which table needs trimming if myth thinks my guide has data from 2038?

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juski:

program

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juski:

using EIT eh directhex ? ;)

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directhex:

juski, yessir!

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** juski leave #lugradio **

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juski:

comments like " Dave2 finds himself being snogged whilst fucking his goat, lolol

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directhex:

Dave2 is like that

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directhex:

yay

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Sid`:

heh

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Sid`:

he just showed me some photos of some inflatable goat his mates gave him for his 20th birthday

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Sid`:

pretty sinister looking goat

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directhex:

i swear, there's something wrong with that kid

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juski:

I never minded being snogged by phated.. wouldn't mind in #reallife except I'm married

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juski:

think she'd protest vigorously though! hellyeah

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juski:

but I draw the line where people talk about goatse at every opportunity

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Sid`:

awww

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directhex:

Phated's too thin-skinned for IRC

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directhex:

then again, freenode seems a home to dwama

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newbie0035:

is anyone familiar with mencoder? I'm trying to convert a video to my cell phone but after I convert the video's speed gets doubled.

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kormoc:

newbie0035, try nuvexport

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newbie0035:

it's an older phone so getting the codec just right was difficult, I finally found a setting that works but the speed has increased,, I'll look at it though thanks

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Blaksmith:

hmmm, mythfilldatabase seems to insist on grabbing utc, even though I say local...

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newbie0035:

kormoc: most of all of the setting in nuvexport are disabled, is there something else I need to do?

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kormoc:

newbie0035, honestly, I can't say, but those things that are enabled are the ones that you have the libs to actually encode

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kdub:

man

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kdub:

can you change the keys in fceultra

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theBishop:

hi

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theBishop:

has anyone gotten MythTV to work with the recent PS3 DLNA streaming?

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GreyFoxx:

EVeryone I've seen who mentioned it working was running myth svn, not 0.20 or -fixes

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theBishop:

ah, thanks GreyFoxx

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Fony_Vaio:

i realise this isn't strictly a myth question, but any ideas why i might not be able to set the speed of my dvd drive using hdparm or setcd?

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zambaroo:

hm, if i compile head on one feisty, it should work on another..

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zambaroo:

Fony_Vaio, your haw does not support it?

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zambaroo:

s/ha/hw

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zambaroo:

er

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zambaroo:

hw

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Fony_Vaio:

zambaroo: I could use nero cd/dvd speed in 'doze, so i'm assuming it does support slowing down

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Fony_Vaio:

/proc/ide/hda/settings suggests two interesting values, "init_speed" and "current_speed". Can i modify these manually?

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, I'm beginning to think that noapic has fixed my eth problems – been running an x264 clip over the network on repeat for 15 hours straight with no problems yet

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Blaksmith:

finally got it... had to delete all chans and the reload the list

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tjcarter:

I am watching this thing on piracy.. Talking about Morgan. When do they get to the part where he starts selling spiced rum? =)

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Sid`:

avast ye

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zambaroo:

whats this h264 i keep hearing about?

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hads:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H264

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tjcarter:

zambaroo: good way to archive video recorded by mythtv =)

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kormoc:

anyone using mythweb svn?

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warlord:

kormoc: i am

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hads:

Yup

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MaverickTech:

yep

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kormoc:

just updated it to allow ajax editing of (some of) the metadata.

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kormoc:

validation on it working with others would be welcome :)

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kormoc:

(for the mythvideo interface)

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hads:

I'm getting some division by 0 errors at the moment

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

file/line number?

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hads:

I don't use the video interface much so not sure if they're new or not. One sec, I'll paste the lot.

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hads:

http://pastebin.ca/515340

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

hads, care to pastebin the output of SELECT DISTINCT coverfile FROM videometadata; ?

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hads:

Yeah, I can if you like, there's a load of seemingly valid files and one 'No Cover' entry which would be the issue.

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hads:

s/would/could/

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kormoc:

hads, like 53 checks for that specific value, so it shouldn't be taking that code path

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kormoc:

hads, it doesn't have any spaces or the like on it?

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hads:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/515362

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kormoc:

hrm... strange...

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hads:

I'll take a quick look. Needed something to procrastinate with anyway :)

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kormoc:

hads, heh, should be fixed well enough now anyway :P

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kormoc:

[13520] should fix it, but I still donno why it would go down that path

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hads:

Yup, that's sorted it.

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hads:

Let me check out the actual editing now.

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hads:

Error: iterator is not a function

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hads:

Source File: http://frog.nice.net.nz/mythweb/js/prototype.js

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kormoc:

yeah, that's a known error with prototype...

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hads:

Erm, excuse me, that wasn't meant to paste here.

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** kormoc pokes prototype to fix it **

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hads:

kormoc: OK, the editing widow appears, I can submit the form and the data is POSTed and updated but the editing form and the 'n pending requests' div stay on screen.

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hads:

I need to refresh to show the updated details.

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kormoc:

hads, hrm... what browser?

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MaverickTech:

seems to be working ok in Opera 9.10 here

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kormoc:

editing form is expected to stick around (for now) but the div most certainly should go pop after it updates

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hads:

Testing with FF 2.0.0.3 (I ususally use Konqueror)

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kormoc:

hrm

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MaverickTech:

font it 'plot' box is unreadable

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hads:

The editing div could be larger (height) too maybe?

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kormoc:

MaverickTech, it's set to 9pt terminal/courier... have issues with that elsewhere?

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MaverickTech:

not that I know of

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hads:

Font is OK here.

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kormoc:

it's the same font as in the text boxes, so that's a tad strange

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** kormoc peers at his opera **

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hads:

The title at the top 'Editing' has the !!NoTrans marker.

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kormoc:

hads, yeah, I fixed that if you want to update

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** MaverickTech updates also **

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** kormoc is a bad dev and forgets to run that way too often **

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hads:

Cool, that's sorted.

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hads:

I see the same behavious (as above) in FF, Opera and Konqueror.

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hads:

Argh, can't spell today.

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kormoc:

hads, in firefox, can you right click in on the edit window, open frame in new tab/window and shift refresh and try again in the main window?

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kormoc:

what os?

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hads:

Kubuntu Feisty

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hads:

It does the same thing, although it doesn't then popup the pending requests div (parent errors since it doesn't have a parent anymore).

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kormoc:

well, try again in the main window now, just making sure it's not caching the wrong code

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hads:

Same behaviour.

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kormoc:

hads, I'm gonna update firefox and see how it goes. I'm on firefox 2.0.0.2 here, but works in opera 9.10 for myself fine

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J-e-f-f-A:

Any ideas? I've been googling for a while now, but haven't found anything meaningful yet...

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, exact error messages?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: The Nvidia binary driver fails to load — i/o error on /dev/nvidia ... (can't see now... reverted to 'nv' driver...) ick.

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Kevorkian:

Please excuse my ignorence to pci memory issues, but how does that mean that youve run out of memory space ?

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, likely it's just the reserved kernel memory for drivers that is running out

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J-e-f-f-A:

brb...

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Kevorkian:

and .. pci has memory space that can be run out of ?

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, not really

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Kevorkian:

I thought that pci was just a buss type.

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Kevorkian:

oh .. ok .. I mean it is sunday night here , and ive been out in the sun a lot today. So perhaps my brain was fried

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Sid`:

PCI cards also like to own bits of the host's RAM so they can do DMA to and from

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Sid`:

amongst other things

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kormoc:

yeah, but if that's the issue, that's easily fixed by changing the agp apature size in the bios

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Sid`:

that's if you're doing AGP-style transfers into an AGP aperture

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Kevorkian:

I assume you would reduce it .

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kormoc:

Sid`, indeed, but it's likely he is

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Sid`:

would a PCIe only system even have an AGP aperture?

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kormoc:

no it doesn't, it does dynamic based aperture sized

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kormoc:

based on free memory size and requested memory requirements

[05:05:03]

Sid`:

so yeah

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Sid`:

sounds like it could be the kernel and the PCI BIOS aren't talking properly

[05:05:41]

Sid`:

bad e820 map data?

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tjcarter:

Sid`: Consider that AGP is really just PCI =)

[05:06:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I'm out of vmalloc space apparently... (pastebin'ing' the tail of dmesg...)

[05:07:49]

Sid`:

tjcarter: yeah, but AGP is PCI with additional intrinsics for device-side DMA

[05:08:00]

Sid`:

it's not 'just' PCI

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: http://paste.uni.cc/15844

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tjcarter:

Sid`: still, it's not a stretch for what makes AGP an advance over PCI to be applied to PCIe.

[05:13:07]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, cat /proc/meminfo | grep -i vmalloc

[05:13:19]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, should see 3 lines

[05:13:32]

Sid`:

tjcarter: yes, it is. AGP intrinsics are 1. a special case, and pretty much limited to one port per host, and 2. graphics-specific (more or less)

[05:13:34]

Sid`:

PCIe is a much more general-purpose bus

[05:14:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Total 114680 kB Used 86764 kB Chunk 25584 kB

[05:14:28]

kormoc:

how much ram in the box?

[05:14:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: 2GB

[05:16:33]

** J-e-f-f-A Rebooting... ;-) **

[05:16:57]

** kormoc crosses his fingers **

[05:18:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yuck. "Kernel panic – not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"

[05:18:43]

kormoc:

sad, that error is still there...

[05:19:02]

kormoc:

if you drop below 1 gb, you'd be able to up the vmalloc via the kernel parm

[05:19:18]

kormoc:

are you using grub?

[05:19:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

yes

[05:19:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'm at the boot menu now.

[05:19:52]

kormoc:

kk, you need to trick grub into loading init into a lower memory block then it is

[05:20:03]

** kormoc trys to remember how to do that **

[05:20:29]

** J-e-f-f-A lauches Google... ;-) **

[05:20:52]

Sid`:

try mem=960M

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kormoc:

ahh, it's the uppermem command

[05:21:10]

kormoc:

Sid`, sadly he has two

[05:21:20]

Sid`:

dang

[05:21:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Sid`: 2GB... Tried that per kormoc...

[05:21:27]

Sid`:

teach me to read properly :P

[05:21:39]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I seem to recall if you set the uppermem in grub to say 768M, it should boot correctly and the kernel will correct it

[05:21:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

'sadly?' ;-)

[05:21:55]

Arfdee:

does wintv usb work in linux?

[05:23:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: ok — so do I just add "uppermem 768M" instead of "vmalloc=192m"?

[05:23:42]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, you'll need both, uppermem 768M is a grub command, vmalloc= is a kernel command

[05:23:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

'k...

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kormoc:

tho I *think* uppermem takes it's arg as K and not M, so might want to convert it out to K and just use that

[05:24:35]

Sid`:

yeah

[05:24:36]

Sid`:

it wants KB

[05:24:44]

Sid`:

eg "uppermem 786432"

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kormoc:

god it's been a long time sense I've had to do this sorta thing :P

[05:25:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

Do I need an equals sign?

[05:25:08]

kormoc:

nope

[05:25:18]

Sid`:

a 64-bit kernel would probably obviate a lot of this, because you don't need to screw around with himem bounce buffers and such

[05:25:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, does the vmalloc need an equal sign? (I have one now)

[05:25:26]

Sid`:

or a 2G/2G kernel

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kormoc:

yeah, it does

[05:25:28]

Sid`:

J-e-f-f-A: yes.

[05:25:35]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ok... here we go...

[05:26:17]

kormoc:

Sid`, yeah, 64 bit kernels fix this, the kernel just gives the full range as access to vmalloc, VmallocTotal: 34359738367 kB

[05:26:35]

kormoc:

so yeah, as long as you have system memory, vmalloc will malloc away happily

[05:26:39]

monkeyBox:

I've loaded my lirc_i2c & lirc_dev modules, but I don't see /dev/lirc*. Any ideas?

[05:26:41]

Arfdee:

Hauppauge 99016(WinTV-PVR-USB2 MCE) USB 2.0 Interface Personal Video Recorder – Retail

[05:26:43]

Arfdee:

does that work with linux?

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J-e-f-f-A:

humph... paniced again... Shows the command with 'vmalloc=192m uppermem 768432' .. 'initrd extends beyond end of memory (0x37fef99f > 0x34000000)'

[05:27:01]

Sid`:

kormoc: yeah... i can see a 2G/2G kernel obviating the problem, too

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hads:

Arfdee: Try #linux or Google

[05:27:29]

kormoc:

juski, uppermem isn't on the same line as the kernel one is it?

[05:27:33]

kormoc:

erm, J-e-f-f-A

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Arfdee:

Arfdee, yeah, considering this is mythtv and i am asking about it working with mythtv

[05:27:49]

Arfdee:

hads, even

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Sid`:

kormoc: separate line

[05:27:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: yeah, that's where I put it...

[05:28:07]

kormoc:

Arfdee, if it works wiht v4l then it works with myth

[05:28:17]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it shouldn't be, it should be on a separate line above the kernel line

[05:28:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Ok, all by itself?

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Arfdee:

i just can't seem to find on google something definitive

[05:28:38]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, aye

[05:28:52]

kormoc:

Arfdee, linuxtv.org (or is it linux-tv.org?) might have some pointers

[05:28:53]

** J-e-f-f-A tries again... (fingers crossed...) ;-) **

[05:29:10]

Arfdee:

here we go

[05:29:11]

Arfdee:

thx

[05:30:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Looks like that's working so far... ;-)

[05:30:33]

kormoc:

sweet!

[05:31:02]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, cat /proc/meminfo and make sure that the vmalloctotal did go up

[05:31:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

OOH! The NVidia splash screen!!!!!

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kormoc:

:)

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Sid`:

rad.

[05:33:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

And look, all my capture cards are there... kormoc, thanks a million!!! (You too, Sid`) ;-)

[05:33:23]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, heh, you're quite welcome :)

[05:33:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh, let's see... you asked about /proc/meminfo...

[05:34:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: total: 180216 kB Used: 121084 kB Chunk: 55820 kB

[05:34:49]

kormoc:

nifty

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, that's about 1.5–2x as much as it was b4... ;-)

[05:37:13]

kormoc:

welp, as long as it works :)

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noddan:

I'm currently buying components for a combined frontend backend (since I only have one TV atm). I want it to be able to handle HDTV decoding, does nvidias linux-drivers support purevideo or whatever they call it?

[05:51:58]

noddan:

the CPU will most likely be athlon 64 x2 4600+

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Captain_Murdoch:

you won't need to worry about HDTV then with that speed CPU. and no on the purevideo I believe.

[05:55:40]

noddan:

okay

[05:56:00]

noddan:

great! I guess I just saved the money I'd spend on the graphics card then :)

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tank-man:

i got that cpu

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noddan:

how is it working out for you?

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Sid`:

can't speak for 1080, but my 3600 x2 can do 720p h264 in real time

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Sid`:

altho it chews about 85–90% of one core

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noddan:

okay

[05:57:43]

tank-man:

its great for sdtv :)

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tank-man:

haha

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Captain_Murdoch:

noddan: you need a decent NVidia card though.

[05:58:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

noddan: Nice CPU... ;-) That's what I'm running now! ;-)

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tank-man:

is there some place with 1080 x264 samples ?

[05:59:04]

noddan:

Captain_Murdoch: I've got a spare 7800GTX that I was thinking of using, but if the decoding hardware isn't supported in linux whats the point?

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kdub:

there isnt one

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kdub:

now how do i get it to stop chopping off my blacks

[05:59:53]

kdub:

asdf

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Captain_Murdoch:

noddan: you need a decent videocard just for the Xv support, (ie, don't use an ATI you have laying around, use an NVidia) and the OpenGL menus.

[06:00:26]

noddan:

ah

[06:00:43]

** J-e-f-f-A Humph... Even with the nvidia binary driver, XvMC isn't working for some reason... :-( **

[06:00:47]

HaSH:

hello all. im using the pvr-150 and the remote that came with it..most everything seems to work but. im wondering if i can make it respond better. i have both the sensors in direct sight..less then 5 ft away. but sometimes ill have to hit a button 2–3 times for it to work. also it seems slow scrolling though things?.

[06:01:03]

noddan:

A cheap nvidia card it is then. I want to keep power consumption down as much as possible.

[06:01:07]

** Captain_Murdoch wouldn't even bother trying XvMC with that speed cpu **

[06:02:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Captain_Murdoch: Well, it's my backend, with 2 HD cards and 3 SD cards... I don't use it for a frontend much, but want the usage down when I do... (And video doesn't scale properly without xvmc I've noticed...)

[06:03:03]

kdub:

i thought you had a lot fewer options with scaling and what not when you used xvmc

[06:03:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

ie: pressing 'w' has virtually no percievable effect... (doesn't change between 4:3 and 16:9 for example)

[06:03:10]

kdub:

nah

[06:03:15]

kdub:

i dont use it and w works find for me

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J-e-f-f-A:

humm...

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kdub:

fine too

[06:03:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

jeje

[06:03:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

er... hehe

[06:04:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

HD looks strange stretched to fill a 4:3 display...

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kdub:

zoom it

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J-e-f-f-A:

I can't... 'w' doesn't do anything... Myth displays "4:3" "16:9" "fill" "off", etc, but no difference...

[06:05:26]

kormoc:

that's wonky

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kdub:

yeah that makes no sense

[06:06:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ya know.. the 'text' moves and stretches on the screen, but the video doesn't change at all...

[06:06:09]

kdub:

have you tried cycling through them in the window

[06:06:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

So myth *thinks* it's doing it...

[06:06:14]

kdub:

er

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kdub:

menu

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: Yep, the same... Humm.. maybe it's the version of myth.. I'm running SVN, but I'm about 99percent sure it was working fine with this version before I moved all my tuner cards in...

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm running SVN 13407M — from 3/27/2007

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** J-e-f-f-A says 'doing an svn up...' gonna try 13524... ;-) **

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kdub:

is there something you have to do to get a video card to output correctly to a TV vs a monitor over dvi

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kdub:

the picture is off and i cannot get it any better by playing with contrast and brightness

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J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: for NTSC video, yes — but I'm not sure about DVI – I don't think it applies to DVI.

[06:14:38]

kdub:

oh

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kdub:

man i have no shadow detail at all

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tank-man:

speaking of dvi, what do you need to boot linux with a dvi monitor? some special kernel/lilo setting or a bios setting?

[06:18:54]

Sid`:

tank-man: shouldn't need anything like that

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kdub:

you plug it in

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Sid`:

you might need to tell X that your connectedmonitor is on DVI

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Sid`:

but that's a pretty rare case

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tank-man:

i tried once with a dvi cable and didnt even get the POST msgs, i was lazy and went back to the vga cable

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Arfdee:

if i buy a usb device that works with mythtv that is ntsc, can i buy some pal converter when i go to europe?

[06:20:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Think that's bad? I had a monitor once that the PC wouldn't even post if it was connected via DMI...

[06:21:11]

kdub:

well that hasnt even been invented yet so it isnt suprising

[06:21:12]

tank-man:

wow, a video cable can cause the pc to not boot?

[06:21:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

If I un-plugged the DMI cable for a second, the PC would post & boot... otherwise it just hung there...

[06:21:25]

kdub:

wtf is dmi

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops... DVI.. ;-)

[06:22:07]

kdub:

xorg.conf is my enemy

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tank-man:

probably thinking hdmi :)

[06:22:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

tank-man: Nope, dVi... ;-)

[06:22:45]

tank-man:

i mean subconciously when you where typing it

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J-e-f-f-A:

tank-man: Yeah, I got that now... (I'm tired... it's nearly 2:30am... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A Got it... needed to add 'Load "extmod" ' to xorg.conf... (it got deleted somehow...) 'W' and scaling work fine now in Myth... ;-) **

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, you should add that to the wiki somewhere, that's one I would have been hard pressed to even conisder :P

[06:55:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I'll make a note to do that... ;-)

[06:56:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: I was googling and found another person that xvmc wasn't working for, and they said to add the extmod load... So I did it too, and it worked... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Playing back a 720P HD program with XVMC is using 49% of one cpu...

[06:58:58]

Tanthrix:

I can playback 720P x264 at 40 percent of one cpu, so ha!

[06:59:09]

** Tanthrix ultimately loses though since his new system isn't quite stable yet **

[07:00:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Well, that's TBD... I just built this system... and just upgraded to the latest SVN trunk... ;-)

[07:00:18]

kdub:

are you outputting to a flat panel over dvi?

[07:00:35]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:00:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: No – 1280x1024 LCD via VGA.

[07:00:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

(analog)

[07:00:49]

Tanthrix:

kdub: I am, 1920x1080P over DVI

[07:01:01]

kdub:

are your black levels crap?

[07:01:11]

kdub:

as compared to like, OTA with the TVs tuner

[07:01:27]

Tanthrix:

I don't think there is a difference

[07:01:40]

Tanthrix:

If you're having issues you might try messing with the gamma in nvidia-settings

[07:01:56]

kdub:

yeah

[07:02:04]

Tanthrix:

My friend's TV looked like junk over component with regards to black levels, but great over composite, very weird

[07:02:25]

kdub:

what sucks is i cant mess with nvidia-settings and watch tv at the same time

[07:02:30]

kdub:

i dont know if i am making it better

[07:02:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Any tips on getting better performance out of my gigabit nic? I've got a switch that handles jumbo packets... and pushed the MTU up, but still only get 10MB/sec thruput... (yuck)

[07:03:11]

kormoc:

uhh, what protocol?

[07:03:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: tcp — ftp and/or NFS transfers...

[07:03:36]

Tanthrix:

kdub: Sure you can, just set your wallpaper to black then open nvidia settings

[07:03:48]

kdub:

well black looks black

[07:03:54]

kdub:

its just that there is no detail

[07:04:00]

kdub:

in dark stuff

[07:04:12]

Tanthrix:

Sounds like a contrast issue then

[07:04:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

kdub: What's your source?

[07:04:23]

Tanthrix:

So play some video via mplayer then mess with the settings at the same time

[07:04:27]

kdub:

QAM

[07:04:31]

kdub:

yeah yeah

[07:04:40]

kdub:

good point

[07:05:30]

Tanthrix:

Is there a standard way of running a graphical app at the startup of X?

[07:05:50]

hads:

xinit

[07:06:35]

Tanthrix:

As in the .xinitrc file?

[07:06:38]

** J-e-f-f-A needs to buy a 22" wide-screen LCD for his bedroom... ;-) The 21" 4:3 CRT monitor is good, but only ends up with a 17" HD image... **

[07:07:45]

Tanthrix:

hads: If so, I tried that to no avail.

[07:07:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Any ideas for the gigabit speeds?

[07:08:04]

kormoc:

not offhand, that's wonky

[07:08:22]

Tanthrix:

I can modify my window manager's style file and put the command in there, but that seems sloppy

[07:08:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah... I've verified that both nics are connecting at gigabit speed... 10MB/sec is bairly better than 100mbit speed...

[07:09:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

s/bairly/barely/ (i'm tired!)

[07:09:20]

kormoc:

I get ~11 on my 100 mbit

[07:09:22]

** kormoc ducks **

[07:10:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: That's what confuses me... Oh well, I just wanted the 'move' of recordings from my old backend to my new backend to finish in less than 21 hours... ;-)

[07:11:48]

Kevorkian:

if your really maxin out at around 100mbit .. Make sure yoru drive isnt an ata100 :-D

[07:13:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: The source system is 4x200GB ATA133 in an LVM (760GB) — the destination system is 3x500GB SATAII in a Software Raid5...

[07:13:21]

Kevorkian:

ok .. theres the issue right ther

[07:14:08]

Kevorkian:

no no no

[07:14:13]

Kevorkian:

the raid

[07:14:16]

** kormoc blinks **

[07:14:38]

kormoc:

if his raid is only doing 10 megs/sec, it's majorly broken

[07:14:50]

Kevorkian:

ALSO thats 100 per pair .. so its realy only 50 each dirve theoretical max.

[07:14:51]

kdub:

heh

[07:14:55]

** kormoc blinks **

[07:14:56]

Kevorkian:

and its software raid

[07:14:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

Well, if it's any consideration... I also tried directly to the OS drive — SATA II 300 – still 10MB/sec...

[07:15:16]

Kevorkian:

then something in the midle isnt gige

[07:15:27]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, my single sata2 drive pulls off 70 megabytes per second, or 560 mbit

[07:15:48]

J-e-f-f-A:

I'm using a D-Link DGS-10005D switch — which is a Gigabit switch that supports jumbo packets...

[07:15:59]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, is it managed?

[07:16:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

nope.

[07:16:12]

Kevorkian:

not a dgs

[07:16:15]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, software raid with a decent cpu is quite speedy

[07:16:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

But both machines report gigabit connection speed...

[07:16:28]

** Kevorkian shrugs **

[07:16:31]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, too bad... can you try a cross over cable?

[07:16:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

I suppose I could try that...

[07:16:58]

kormoc:

it would show if it's the switch or not

[07:17:09]

Kevorkian:

you have 2.6 kernerls on both ?

[07:17:13]

kormoc:

I'm thinking it won't help, I think it's a wonky driver

[07:17:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah... 2.6.16 on the old box...

[07:17:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

2.6.20 on the new box.

[07:18:13]

Kevorkian:

just saying .. if you have at least 2.6 on both you can check the io wait and be sure its not the drives.

[07:18:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

One interesting thing is that the old box will only go up to a 7k packet size... But no matter if it's mtu 1500 or mtu 7000, no change...

[07:18:30]

Kevorkian:

before 2.6 io wait was just lumed in with idle

[07:18:38]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, what's the video card?

[07:18:49]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, erm... network card

[07:18:56]

** kormoc blinks at himself **

[07:19:10]

Kevorkian:

I was gona say .. cant really blame this on ati :-D

[07:19:20]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Old system is a Realtek RTL-8169

[07:20:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: New system is on-board Nvidia CK804

[07:20:43]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, on the old system, care to pastebin your dmesg?

[07:21:12]

kormoc:

and have you poked at ethtool on it?

[07:22:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Ya want the whole thing?

[07:23:05]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, the network chunk would be enough

[07:23:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: ummm... I don't think I've played with 'ethtool'... Still somewhat of a n00b... ;-)

[07:23:30]

kormoc:

heh, you should install it and run it, ethtool eth0 should give you a nice informative output

[07:24:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

Oh yeah, I did install and run that... That's how I displayed it's speed: "Speed: 1000Mb/s" "Duplex: Full"

[07:25:44]

Kevorkian:

you should have been able to get that from a simple ifconfig

[07:26:12]

kormoc:

ethtool uses a different method then ifconfig, it's handy to do both at times

[07:26:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: How do you show the speed with ifconfig? ifconfig -a doesn't show it...

[07:28:10]

Kevorkian:

hmmm

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, typically txqueue length is 10x negotiated speed, but it's just typically a guess

[07:28:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/515524

[07:29:37]

kormoc:

<J-e-f-f-A> kormoc: ^^^ ... the gig card is eth1 on the old box

[07:29:45]

kormoc:

eth0: RTL8169S/8110S at 0xe0866000, 00:0e:2e:69:4b:00, IRQ 18

[07:30:17]

kormoc:

e100: eth1: e100_probe: addr 0xefb00000, irq 18, MAC addr 00:02:A5:1B:46:1C

[07:30:26]

kormoc:

I think you have that backwards for some reason

[07:30:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Strange... see "r8169: eth1: link up" ...

[07:31:10]

kormoc:

ooh... uhh... wonky out the wazoo

[07:31:40]

kormoc:

can you just disable the onboard one entirely?

[07:31:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I tried that in the Bios... Evidentally Linux still sees it somehow...

[07:32:10]

kormoc:

that shouldn't be

[07:32:16]

** J-e-f-f-A gets out the soldering iron... ;-) **

[07:32:21]

Kevorkian:

you didnt hit save or something

[07:32:40]

** J-e-f-f-A re-boots to check again.. I suppose that's possible... **

[07:33:03]

Kevorkian:

but who knows ..

[07:33:32]

** J-e-f-f-A thinks "If this doesn't work, I'll put the drives in USB 2.0 enclosures on the new box..." **

[07:33:37]

Kevorkian:

this isnt the one with the SW raid .. right ?

[07:33:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Nope. Just LVM. (I was living very dangerously!)

[07:34:17]

Kevorkian:

kk .. I was gona say .. a dual piii with a sw raid wont be .. ummm .. speedy ..

[07:34:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian, kormoc: Bios says "Compaq Ethernet controller Disabled"...

[07:34:34]

kormoc:

hrm

[07:34:48]

kormoc:

a dual p3 is still gonna be lots faster then 100 mbit

[07:34:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've seen winblows do the same thing b4, with things disabled in the bios, winblows still saw them... (yuck)

[07:35:10]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it's just a bad bios... any bios updates?

[07:35:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Umm... I forget... (checking...)

[07:36:21]

Kevorkian:

how many ide controlers .... ?? its been a LONG time .. but I remember having issues with more then two ..

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Kevorkian:

but that was like way back in 2.2

[07:37:25]

hads:

Tanthrix: Yes, xinit as in .xinitrc – it does depend how you start X though, if you're using {X,K,G}DM then it won't work.

[07:37:34]

Steve14:

uhm, somebody knows about the progress of mythweather ?

[07:37:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: The onboard IDE (DVD), and a PCI card (ATA133) – the 4 200GB drives. Also onboard SCSI for the OS – 18GB 10Krpm...

[07:38:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Steve14: There's a patch to fix it – msn changed the web interface and broke it...

[07:39:04]

Steve14:

J-e-f-f-A: but the patch is only for the sourcecode, isn't it ?

[07:39:10]

kormoc:

Steve14, yes

[07:40:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

Steve14: Yeah, but mythweb is a collection of PHP scripts... You might be able to use it anyways...

[07:40:27]

Kevorkian:

So Steve14 you have two options , rebuild it yourself .. wait for a new build.

[07:40:43]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, he said mythweather, which is a mythplugin and a mythweb module

[07:40:53]

Kevorkian:

oh wait .. 3 options .. third one would be to beg and plead ( or perhaps pay ) someone to build one for you.

[07:41:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Yeah, I guess I assumed mythweather was also php... My bad... I just made an A$$ of myself ...

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Kevorkian:

oh wait .. option 4 would be to use mythweb to browse a weather web site and get your info that way

[07:42:09]

Steve14:

nah, it's better i wait on the next version (let's hope mythweather will work then for longer

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gbee:

Kevorkian: you mean mythbrowser?

[07:42:23]

Kevorkian:

but that might be considered a subset of option 2

[07:42:35]

Kevorkian:

Yea that also gbee

[07:43:24]

Kevorkian:

mythweb broweser whatever that thing that lets you connect to the interwebtube thing from your tv :-D

[07:46:00]

Kevorkian:

J-e-f-f-A, if you unplug the non onboard nic .. eth1 goes down ?

[07:46:52]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Nope... it's un-plugged now. only the Gig nick is cabled ATM. And eth0 is down in Linux.

[07:47:05]

Kevorkian:

huh

[07:47:17]

Kevorkian:

the onboard is the 100 .. and the non on board is the gig ??

[07:47:21]

Kevorkian:

or do I have that backwards ?

[07:47:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

I did find a newer bios... (yes)

[07:47:38]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, it's worth a try to update and see

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J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian... Yeah, it's a Compaq AP550 "Professional Workstation"... circa 2000...

[07:51:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Dual PIII 866Mhz

[07:51:25]

Kevorkian:

ifconfig -a shows what mac for eth1 ?

[07:52:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: (Not booted atm... in the bios)

[07:52:36]

Kevorkian:

im just saying it looks like what dmesg shows is backwards from what your saying.

[07:53:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Humm... Maybe I should try changing the Realtek to eth0 thru the network control panel?

[07:54:00]

** J-e-f-f-A boots the antique box... ;-) **

[07:55:36]

Kevorkian:

#

[07:55:36]

Kevorkian:

#

[07:55:36]

Kevorkian:

ACPI: Disabling ACPI support

[07:55:44]

Kevorkian:

hehe .. linux is pointing and laughing at you

[07:55:54]

Kevorkian:

goign .. YOUR BOX IS TEH OLD

[07:57:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Yeah, but it was free... ;-) And it was a great, very reliable, backend for the last 2–1/2 years... ;-)

[07:57:41]

Kevorkian:

im not the one laughing at it ..

[08:00:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

This is interesting...

[08:00:56]

Kevorkian:

was the shutdown before this dmesg clean ?

[08:01:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

The "Network Configuration" shows 3 hardware devices... The Realtek Gigabit, an "Intel 82557 Ethernet Pro 100" and an "Intel EtherExpress/100 driver"...

[08:01:57]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, hrm... can you black list the drivers?

[08:02:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

humm... can I just delete them?

[08:02:18]

kormoc:

sure, but when you upgrade kernels, they'll show up again

[08:02:29]

kormoc:

you likely have epro100 and eepro100 loaded tis all

[08:02:43]

kormoc:

or e100 and ee100 or something like that

[08:02:48]

kormoc:

lsmod would show it

[08:02:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

Well, I don't plan on upgrading this kernel... Once I've got all my junk off of it, the hardware is going ot Paladine in the UK... ;-)

[08:03:00]

kormoc:

ahh, I see

[08:03:33]

Kevorkian:

was the shutdwn before the dmesg clean ?

[08:04:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Umm... I don't follow you... Yeah, I think so. (Rebooting now to see if deleting the screwy entrys fixes it...)

[08:04:38]

Kevorkian:

just wondering cause of the inode recovery in this dmesg

[08:05:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: I may have been futzing with the net settings... I tried a bazillion things.... ;-) (I don't give up easily...)

[08:05:56]

Kevorkian:

I mean it was a shutdown or a reboot .. not a 'rip the power plug out of the wall' reboot

[08:06:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Oh, ya know what? That may have happened... the box just shut off a few hours ago, and it was at that time I realize the power cord wasn't plugged in all the way.... So, come to think of it, you're right...

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** J-e-f-f-A (%(%*&^%*&% — still shows eth0 as RTL8169.... Humm... Maybe if I re-enable eth0, and just don't use it?!? **

[08:08:16]

Kevorkian:

wait a second ..

[08:08:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

oops... already re-booting...

[08:08:47]

Kevorkian:

r8169: eth1: link up

[08:09:04]

tormen0815:

Hi. is there a specificaiton of the .nuv + RJPEG videocompression used by mythtv (to encode the files)?

[08:09:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Yeah, but look at eth0 — shows as 8169 as well... Linux is confused...

[08:09:20]

kormoc:

tormen0815, it's only in the source

[08:09:33]

tormen0815:

kormoc: oh no....

[08:09:40]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, you need to delete the .ko files out of /lib/modules/kver/blah/blah

[08:09:42]

Kevorkian:

im sure there is tormen0815 , but you have to be able to understand the code.

[08:10:21]

tormen0815:

but there must be somthing beside the sourcecode of mythtv to define this format?

[08:10:23]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, when it boots up, run lsmod and look for the ones like eepro100 and e100 and delete/rename those ko files and then reboot

[08:10:30]

Kevorkian:

if you want to help out tormen0815 , you are more then welcome to write the doc and submit it to the wiki.

[08:10:43]

kormoc:

tormen0815, nopers

[08:11:07]

tormen0815:

I am building my own doc about mythtranscode. When I am finished I will think about transmitting it :-)

[08:11:14]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, that should disable them entirely from linux's point of view

[08:11:34]

kormoc:

tormen0815, there's a ton already written on the wiki

[08:11:38]

Kevorkian:

very good tormen0815 , I look forward to reading it.

[08:11:46]

tormen0815:

Hmm. Is there maybe someone I could ask about the implementation?

[08:12:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Okeydokey... It's booting now, after I had already re-enabled the onboard controller... I'll see if that 'fixes' it first...

[08:12:28]

kormoc:

tormen0815, not really.

[08:12:31]

** Kevorkian hands J-e-f-f-A a hammer. **

[08:12:34]

Kevorkian:

That will fix it.

[08:13:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Kevorkian: Not yet! I want to keep my data, and Paladine wants the mb & cpus... ;-)

[08:13:20]

kormoc:

welp, to sleep I go, g'luck J-e-f-f-A

[08:13:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: thanks... ;-)

[08:13:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hey, it's only 1:15 for you!

[08:14:06]

kormoc:

yeah well, I'm sorta sick, so sleep is good

[08:14:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Just kidding... Thanks! ;-) Sleep well...

[08:15:28]

tormen0815:

Hmm. So there is not one person or a small group of persons that wrote the RJPEG compression / nuv code ?

[08:15:36]

** J-e-f-f-A still improperly associates the Realtek 8169 nic with eth0... Ok, to try the .ko files now... **

[08:16:03]

tormen0815:

Because at least I would like to try to ask this person first if he or she could be willing to help me to sort out the problems that mplayer has when playing this sort of nuv files.

[08:16:11]

Kevorkian:

The way I understand it Tanthrix , that would be hanndled by the tv out on the vid card.

[08:16:59]

Kevorkian:

I think thats a question best for the -dev mailing list tormen0815

[08:17:53]

tormen0815:

Just to try here: The missing "quantizer" seem to be stored in the section that starts with "DR". That section actually even is in that file, but it contains only 0, so that any data in the file is multiplied with 0 before it gets displayed – resulting in the green frame.

[08:18:13]

tormen0815:

But parallel I will put me on the -dev list.

[08:18:14]

Tanthrix:

Kevorkian: I'm speaking in general about DVI/VGA out. (Since I output to my TV over DVI)

[08:19:46]

Kevorkian:

then you wouldnt need a conversion.

[08:21:10]

juski:

just don't use framegrabbers & you won't have to know about the .nuv format :)

[08:21:20]

Kevorkian:

that would still be handled by the vid card based on the refresh rate of the monitor ( ot tv )

[08:24:14]

nupster:

I went through some of the settings and saw nothing special

[08:24:27]

xris:

nupster: depends more on the video card, how you're connected to the tv, the res, etc.

[08:25:25]

Kevorkian:

nupster, im not sure what you woudl expect to be special ?

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nupster:

Im going to do DVI-D 7900GT Nvidia

[08:28:17]

Kevorkian:

and you tv has a dvi-d input ?

[08:30:20]

nupster:

yes

[08:30:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Tanthrix: Use >> instead of >

[08:30:37]

Tanthrix:

Nifty, thanks.

[08:37:30]

juski:

that feature was brought to you by #linux-101

[08:37:52]

gardengnome:

morning

[08:38:00]

Kevorkian:

na .. use of >> is 201 ..

[08:38:02]

juski:

morning gardengnome

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

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gardengnome:

re

[09:19:22]

gardengnome:

f'ing great. cable modem stopped working. :(

[09:19:43]

Tanthrix:

That sucks, sorry to hear that.

[09:20:08]

juski:

sack the cable co!

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gardengnome:

well, it suddenly started giving out sane ip addresses again after i spent a few minutes talking to their phone computer ;)

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juski:

that's a result

[09:38:25]

juski:

oh noes! I've ended up rejigging ProjectGrayhem-wide today

[09:39:39]

juski:

also noticed.. I've got project greyhair going on. now Juski needs to be restored to black & shiny from grey. :P

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gardenhermit:

<3 contemplative bank holidays

[09:47:40]

juski:

shiny shiny www.juski.co.uk/new.png :)

[09:47:56]

juski:

old selectbar (on the right) vs new (on the left)

[09:48:15]

Sid`:

shiney

[09:48:41]

juski:

making shiny graphics is much more than a photoshop preset away

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[09:55:26]

juski:

oh god. just realised the non-wide theme will need these new shiny bars too! arghh!

[09:58:17]

juski:

ooo a PM for support on the forums. SLAP!

[09:58:32]

Sid`:

support for what? :)

[09:59:02]

juski:

"I need to know what are the functions that utilize the data coning from the capture cards. ".. whatever the f. that means

[09:59:18]

Sid`:

i'd assume he's asking how the tuner API works

[09:59:55]

hads:

I'd assume he doesn't want a reply.

[10:00:58]

Sid`:

that too.

[10:01:09]

Sid`:

there are no stupid questions, only illiterate idiots.

[10:02:45]

juski:

english might not be their first language but they still get no sympathy from me

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Tanthrix:

Yah, how dare someone ask a question! There is nothing on this earth more terrible than that!

[10:08:08]

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[10:09:43]

juski:

Tanthrix: via a PM?

[10:10:01]

juski:

so what.. we give out free 1:1 support to everybody in private? great

[10:10:15]

juski:

if folks want that level of help they can fscking pay for it

[10:10:22]

juski:

selfish assholes

[10:11:07]

Tanthrix:

I wasn't suggesting that, of course. But you can hardly call someone a selfish asshole for asking a question, even via a PM.

[10:11:22]

Tanthrix:

Well, you can. But I'd say that it makes you an overly cranky asshole. ;)

[10:12:15]

juski:

you're entitled to your opinion of course

[10:12:55]

juski:

so I'm overly cranky. good job we're not all hand-holding mollycoddling buffoons who suffer every kind of fool though eh

[10:13:43]

gbee:

I just ignore private messages or emails looking for support

[10:14:11]

juski:

I've tried disabling email notification of PMs but it didn't work

[10:15:07]

Tanthrix:

Linux can be horrendously tough and confusing for some people, so I tend to be nice to people, even when they ask easily google-able question. (As opposed to adding to the ad nauseum bitching and moaning about how I'm so great and all the newbies are rotten scum)

[10:15:21]

Tanthrix:

(Or questions that are just plain stupid)

[10:15:33]

juski:

not all newbies are rotten scum. some are worthy of help, and those I help

[10:16:18]

Sid`:

i find it comes down, ultimately, to how much of a dick someone proves themselves to be

[10:16:32]

Sid`:

a depressingly large number of people are dicks from the outset

[10:16:33]

juski:

I just think it's common courtesy to ask questions in public where everybody benefits from seeing a solution

[10:17:06]

Tanthrix:

Being a dick is certainly something to be punished. IE, people who come in saying "Mythtv and linux suck, and so do you, so fix my computer!"

[10:17:29]

juski:

like those who 'threaten' to nick off & go back to windows MCE.. let em be

[10:17:32]

Sid`:

yeah, that whole 'i demand that you help me RIGHT FUCKING NOW even though you have an job' attitude

[10:17:35]

gbee:

Tanthrix: I help when I can, but none of us could even begin to answer all the questions asked and especially not those which are asked out of pure laziness

[10:18:21]

Tanthrix:

gbee: True enough, and I'm not suggesting otherwise. Just that there is a lot of arrogant comments thrown about around here towards newbies. I find them old and tiring.

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juski:

maybe natural selection should hurry up & we'll get "the world's first natural born linux user"

[10:18:41]

Sid`:

haha

[10:19:23]

Tanthrix:

Speaking of newbie questions: I'm setting up the backend init.d script and I'm getting an error about the "daemon" command being missing – what program is that, and is it usually part of another package?

[10:19:24]

gbee:

juski: asking questions in public also means you aren't expecting one person to be your personal guide to linux & mythtv

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juski:

has clever fingers for cutting & pasting into pastebins.. advanced neural pathways for search engine synonym substitution .. says please & thankyou ...

[10:20:48]

juski:

anyway.. </high horse>

[10:24:41]

gbee:

Tanthrix: daemon is a function in /etc/init.d/functions

[10:25:05]

Dibblah:

janneg: Sorry – Being stupid.

[10:25:11]

gbee:

you probably need an init related package instead

[10:25:18]

janneg:

Dibblah: huh? how?

[10:25:23]

Dibblah:

This is a on-board video motherboard (shared memory)

[10:25:29]

Dibblah:

Hence the low performance.

[10:25:44]

Dibblah:

Sorry :(

[10:26:01]

gbee:

Tanthrix: try initscripts :)

[10:26:02]

janneg:

Dibblah: no, there is something in the stream

[10:26:06]

Tanthrix:

gbee: Looks like I just have add_daemon() rm_daemon() and ck_daemon() in my functions in rc.d

[10:26:18]

Dibblah:

janneg: Oh. Okay, then :)

[10:26:42]

janneg:

I see also many framedrops and ffplay doesn't like it either

[10:26:44]

Tanthrix:

gbee: I think it may be an arch linux thing, using rc.d instead init.d (I do have initscripts installed)

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hads:

Yeah, BSD init is quite different to sysv

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, I just grabbed and extracted the init.d file from the Arch Linux mythtv source package, swapped it out, and now I'm getting "/etc/rc.status: No such file or directory"

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sinthetek:

what is a good link to find out about automatically reencoding stuff you want to keep?

[10:33:19]

sinthetek:

for some reason my commercial auto-skip doesn't seem to work anymore

[10:33:30]

sinthetek:

and a 30min recording is like 1gb

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gbee:

sinthetek: it can be setup in the recording schedule

[10:35:14]

sinthetek:

well, i read something on the site about switching it to mjpeg and stuff but it didn't seem to do anything

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juski:

arch uses rc.d eh? as does slack IIRC :)

[10:35:38]

juski:

svn commit

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sinthetek:

i would like to use compression/format so that i get a full length movie in 700–720mb

[10:35:55]

juski:

doh

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juski:

2.5 hours of LOTR in 700 milli bits would look awful. would be much better in 700MB – megabytes either

[10:36:41]

Tanthrix:

juski: Oh really? Let me try the slack one then

[10:37:27]

juski:

seven hundred thousandths of a bit.. talk about small file!

[10:37:41]

Tanthrix:

No go, unfortunately.

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gbee:

does the mepo dev ever come in here?

[10:38:23]

juski:

gbee: yeah

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gbee:

Tanthrix: you might want to refer to the other startup scripts used by Arch and then combine the two

[10:38:49]

juski:

gbee: AFAIK he's got the only nick that starts with 'z'

[10:39:01]

juski:

or zx even

[10:39:05]

gbee:

not quite – Zider

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juski:

and Zambezi

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juski:

oops

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gbee:

he might have the market cornered on zx

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Tanthrix:

gbee: Just got a friend to install it via pacman and grab the script for me. Thanks for your help though

[11:21:41]

juski:

who was it who once said to me they didn't see the point in outline boxes around everything? whoever it was – you have a point :)

[11:29:24]

gardenhermit:

i have that nagging feeling that i need to try out a new distro on the laptop. will it be pclinuxos or arch linux?

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** janneg installs atm kubuntu to use for linuxtag **

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directhex:

juski, t'was i

[11:33:37]

directhex:

juski, t'is one of my pet peeves in skinnable things – the desire to give every element an outline, even when the end result looks like something the cat ate, vomited up, ate again, shat out, then ate a third time

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hads:

Such lovely language

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directhex:

it's a colourful euphamism!

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juski:

directhex: gheyhem-wide won't have any outlines!

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directhex:

yay!

[11:36:00]

hads:

colourful euphamism/unessecary drivel/whatever

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juski:

not even on the programme finder

[11:36:25]

** juski pukes **

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juski:

just seen 5 secs of High School Musical

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scopeuk:

juski were here for you man

[11:37:26]

scopeuk:

if you need any one to talk to about the pain i mhere

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scopeuk:

;-)

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gbee:

gardenhermit: this a ten year old laptop? Or you just want to cause yourseld lasting pain?

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gardenhermit:

gbee: um, no. a three or four year old centrino. what's wrong with those distros?

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gbee:

gardenhermit: nothing really with pclinuxos, archlinux is designed as a lightweight alternative and therefore it won't be as easy in day to day use as something more mainstream like ubuntu, fedora or mandriva

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gardenhermit:

gbee: it can't be worse than ubuntu ;)

[11:45:52]

gardenhermit:

gbee: i used to use gentoo. from what i understand, arch is the new gentoo for lazy people

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hads:

I don't know if I'd call Arch a lightweight alternative, more of a distro for people who like tinkering.

[11:46:24]

gbee:

pclinuxos – guess I've always seen that as a cut down version of a major distro (mandriva) which is Windows user friendly but maybe not with the same functionality as a linux user might be used to

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gardenhermit:

gbee: i hear that it comes with *everything* preinstalled including flash which sounds like a plus to me

[11:48:10]

gardenhermit:

i guess i'll try both in a VM

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gbee:

hads: they promote Arch as lightweight. I've always seen 'lightweight' distros as the ones which rip out all the useful tools/autoconfig stuff to lose the weight – so for something like mythtv they are fine but as a work/home machine it will probably make you suffer in the end

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gbee:

I like tinkering but when I chose to tinker, not because I'm forced to make something work

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hads:

Yeah, that's why I don't use Arch anymore :)

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gardenhermit:

heh

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gardenhermit:

ubuntu just seems too slow to me. i'll let you know how it goes :)

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hads:

I don't think you can blame 'slowness' on a distro.

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gardenhermit:

hads: true. i assume that -Omgoptimizations don't make a huge difference in normal apps like desktop environments.

[11:52:54]

mboman:

gardenhermit: how do you mean Ubuntu is slow? Works great on my HTPC

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gbee:

pclinuxos is probably the opposite of Arch – whereas Arch requires you to know linux, pclinuxos is designed for newbies – I can't really fault it's beginnings as it was based on my distro of choice Mandriva, but if Arch requires lots of tinkering then I'd guess pclinuxos doesn't let you tinker

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gardenhermit:

i probably shouldn't be running gtk apps in KDE either

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gardenhermit:

mboman: as a desktop box

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directhex:

you can run anything in anything.

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mboman:

gardenhermit: it's better to run GTK under KDE then QT/KDE under Gnome...

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mboman:

because when you run a KDE app the KDE sub-system needs to be running anyway...

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gardenhermit:

directhex: sure. but it might need more RAM than just using native kde apps

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directhex:

ram's cheap

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mboman:

yeah, I don't have a box with less then a GB now.. (Linksys router excluded)

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gardenhermit:

*shrug* there's no need to upgrade that old box anymore

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mboman:

MythTV: 1GB, Laptop: 1.5GB, Desktop: 2GB

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directhex:

2GB is handy for playing recent games

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mboman:

Next year my desktop will get another 2GB of RAM and a new graphics card

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directhex:

mboman, as long as you run a 64-bit OS

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mboman:

and if those nice widescreen 24" dell monitors gets down in price I'll get that too

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directhex:

24" is nice

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mboman:

directhex: hmm? Why need 24bit? Only gonna have a total of 4 GB of RAM

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mboman:

directhex: I currently have 2x17"

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mboman:

each running at 1280x1024

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directhex:

mboman, 4GB minus memory-mapped devices

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mboman:

Gotta go, reaching home already. I'll connect later

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chronographer:

hello: I have installed mythtv using apt-get on debian etch and I get this message when I run it. waht shoudlAccess denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[12:09:42]

chronographer:

do i need to login as mythtv?

[12:09:48]

directhex:

dpkg -l mythtv-database

[12:10:29]

chronographer:

mythtv-databas 0.20-svn200702

[12:10:58]

directhex:

look at the content of /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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directhex:

there should be a username (mythtv), databse (mythconverg), and password defined in it

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chronographer:

it has 4 lines

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directhex:

try running "mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg", and give it the password from that file

[12:11:59]

chronographer:

hostname username dbname dbpassword

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chronographer:

access denied

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chronographer:

i tried the password i set for mythtv also.. denied again

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directhex:

okay, sounds like the password in mysql.txt doesn't match the actual database password

[12:14:05]

chronographer:

ok. how can I set the database password again?

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gardenhermit:

ah

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gardenhermit:

it's mythtv-database hell time again

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directhex:

which shouldn't happen unless you've messed around with the database passwords (e.g. ignoring the text on the screen when it says 'leave it blank if you want an automatic password')

[12:14:32]

chronographer:

ooh.

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directhex:

gardenhermit, they're without exception user error

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chronographer:

I don't think i typed anything =)

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gardenhermit:

directhex: that doesn't make it better

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directhex:

gardenhermit, build a foolproof system, nature builds better fools

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gardenhermit:

i know :'(

[12:16:20]

directhex:

gardenhermit, right. as root, run "mysql"

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chronographer:

this is for me? or so that gardenhermit can commit suicide due to his loss of faith in the ability of we simple fools?

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directhex:

at the mysql prompt, type "UPDATE mysql.user SET Password=PASSWORD('thepasswordfrommysql.txt') WHERE User='mythtv';

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directhex:

then FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

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gardenhermit:

chronographer: i'm too frustrated to commit suicide ;))

[12:20:20]

chronographer:

ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'the apssword i entered' in 'field list'

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chronographer:

nvm i missed out single quotes =)

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chronographer:

good.. done... no try mythtv again?

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directhex:

yes

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chronographer:

nope no good

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chronographer:

same error

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directhex:

hrm. does ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt have the same password?

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chronographer:

its empty

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chronographer:

oh no its not

[12:26:11]

chronographer:

it has mythtv as password

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directhex:

fix it. or delete the file.

[12:28:22]

chronographer:

still wont let me in

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directhex:

"mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg" ?

[12:29:00]

chronographer:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[12:29:08]

chronographer:

oh hold on

[12:29:24]

chronographer:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[12:29:39]

chronographer:

nope...wont let me in

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chronographer:

what if the db hasn't been made?

[12:33:22]

chronographer:

if i type connect mythconferg from within mysql, it says 'unknown database'

[12:35:28]

directhex:

mythconverg, not mythconferg

[12:35:58]

chronographer:

ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'mythconverg'

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chronographer:

mysql>

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directhex:

have you eve changed your mysql root password?

[12:41:09]

chronographer:

erm. no

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directhex:

try dpkg-reconfigure -plow mythtv-database

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chronographer:

ok

[12:43:04]

chronographer:

done

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directhex:

can you connect to the mythconverg database now?

[12:45:07]

chronographer:

nope

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brianp:

hi, looking for help with a compile of svn – i think i'm missing somthing ovbious

[12:50:03]

brianp:

http://pastebin.ca/515903

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brianp:

i've compiled from svn before on this box – dunno what's triping it over

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Dibblah:

brianp: Make distclean / configure / compile again.

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brianp:

ok ty

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sunnyhours4130:

So I'm having trouble with mythfilldatabase. It was working at one time, and I did have program data. Now it runs (really quickly), and thinks it completed. but i get no program data.

[13:11:41]

sunnyhours4130:

http://pastebin.ca/515934

[13:11:47]

sunnyhours4130:

Anyone seen this before?

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brianp:

i have to go out now, sorry cant stick around

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sunnyhours4130:

d'oh..... that didn't work. maybe it takes a little while for that change to propagate to the right databse or something

[13:19:09]

GlemSom:

the hardware hasen't changed at all... cat /dev/video0 > /dev/video16 works fine though...

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gbee:

GlemSom: it was an ivtv driver error – if this is the first time it's happened, then it's probably a corner case bug

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gbee:

GlemSom: I'd ask on an ivtv list or channel if you see it again

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gbee:

heh, tech support guy just emailed me to say that my username and password are correct – my question wasn't about whether they were right or wrong, I gave him the username and password so he could see for himself that the server was rejecting them

[14:09:07]

gbee:

and if he just had the wits to check, he'd see there was a dead FTP process

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directhex:

idiots in "stupid" shocker?

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gbee:

well it's the age old story of tech support treating customers like idiots but ending up with the roles reversed

[14:13:35]

planktonboy:

hi all

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gbee:

I wouldn't even be too bothered if it weren't for the fact that this company's support was bloody good when I first started using them, they never patronised they just accepted that I knew what I was talking about and fixed issues quickly

[14:13:38]

planktonboy:

hi gbee

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gbee:

now though I have to go through a merry dance every time I have a problem, "Yes sir, that is an email address" "Er, as I was saying before, the email server is dead" "Yes sir, the email stands for electronic email, it goes through wires that we call the internet" "Could you just restart the email server?" "Sir, I've noticed that our email server was dead. I've just restarted it."

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Como:

the tubes are full.

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Como:

please reboot the tube server.

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juski:

annoying. "test – please ignore" got more replies than my theme update posting

[14:33:58]

gardenhermit:

yay

[14:34:04]

** gardenhermit goes to spam the forums **

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gardenhermit:

or was it on the ML?

[14:36:32]

gbee:

juski: mind if I ask a favour (PM)?

[14:36:42]

Dagmar:

Next time use the subject line "

[14:36:52]

juski:

gbee: go ahead

[14:36:55]

Dagmar:

Next time use the subject line "Vacation: Out of Office Reply"

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juski:

Dagmar: lol

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gumpish_:

Are there any PCI Express HDTV capture cards? Or should I just buy the pcHDTV 5500 now and cough up more money later when they stop putting PCI slots in motherboards?

[14:37:21]

Dagmar:

For some strange reason, people always read those

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directhex:

there are no linux-supported PCIe cards AFAIK

[14:37:32]

Dagmar:

What? no

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directhex:

tv cards, that is, obviously

[14:37:35]

Dagmar:

There are

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Dagmar:

THey're all GigE

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juski:

Dagmar: and they reply, vociferously!

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gumpish_:

heh

[14:38:24]

Dagmar:

gumpish_: You mean when they switch everything over to bluetooth?

[14:38:41]

Dagmar:

It'll finally eliminate the last common configuratioj problem for home kit builders.

[14:39:11]

Dagmar:

No assembly required, or allowed. You just set all the add-on components on top of the tower and leave it sealed up.

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gumpish_:

-_-

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juski:

woo only 4 hours left on this nuvexporty job

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** juski nudges gheyhem-wide ever closer to shiny nirvana **

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Dagmar:

Okay, so someone needs to slap the shit out of the people who wrote the ALSA documentation

[14:55:38]

gbee:

Dagmar: can just imagine that – piles of precariously stacked hardware in the corner of every room, occassionally you lose connection with your HDD because it fell off the top and the dog keeps burying parts in the garden

[14:55:40]

Dagmar:

Like, for hours on end

[14:56:19]

Dagmar:

Practically everyone has 2.1 or better speakers who isn't using soemthing that came with the computer

[14:56:37]

Dagmar:

Yet, there's pretty much nothing explaining how you make ALSA actually turn on the other @#$@R speaker outputs

[14:58:17]

gbee:

never understood why Alsa is apparently so shit – I mean sound is a major sub-system and you'd think that would attract people who were serious about improving it

[14:58:32]

directhex:

i wrote a patch, i did!

[14:58:41]

Dibblah:

Heh. Wait until v4l follows the Alsa model. ;)

[14:59:36]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: It's not a simple matter of "turning them on" – They're on already.

[14:59:49]

Dibblah:

Myth doesn't use them, but that's a seperate issue.

[15:04:30]

directhex:

it's only 2 channels

[15:04:34]

Dibblah:

Sorry, but subs are for people that can't afford real audio :)

[15:04:47]

Dagmar:

I can hook up my 5.1 speakers and run speaker-test -c 6, and only get front left, and front right.

[15:04:51]

directhex:

it ain't 15.3 if it's only hooked up to a stereo source

[15:04:59]

Dagmar:

...which is bloody stupid

[15:06:25]

Dibblah:

Dagmar: Well, if you don't like it...

[15:06:38]

Dagmar:

...vandalize their wiki.

[15:06:42]

Dibblah:

Switch to Windows, where It All Just Works ;)

[15:06:52]

Dagmar:

Don't be an arse

[15:07:13]

gbee:

wh00ps ... so turns out that _after_ shouting at the support guy and waving my experience about, I was the one to blame. Bugger.

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Dagmar:

gbee: I hate that. Good thing it never happens here.

[15:09:23]

directhex:

gbee, never admit defeat! blame gremlins!

[15:09:31]

directhex:

amateur :/

[15:09:41]

Dibblah:

Hmm. My Geode frontend doesn't cope too well with BBC HD.

[15:10:02]

Dibblah:

Doesn't even get to displaying anything :)

[15:10:28]

directhex:

buy real computer!

[15:10:39]

Dagmar:

BLeh. Okay now to get freaking MythTV to use -D surround51

[15:11:42]

sphery:

Dagmar: Thanks for the images.

[15:12:30]

sphery:

Are you looking to do multi-channel output for AC-3's using the analog outputs? If so, you'll need the patch in #1104 (which may or may not apply to current SVN trunk).

[15:13:50]

Dagmar:

I'm not looking to do anything even _that_ special

[15:14:14]

Dagmar:

Hmm... I guess I don't stick "ALSA:surround51" into that place in setup after all

[15:14:24]

Dagmar:

sphery: No problem on the images

[15:14:29]

sphery:

So, what do you want to do with -D surround51? Just ensure that left and right are duplicated to all your speakers in a 5.1 channel?

[15:15:12]

sphery:

Basically just make sure that the surround speakers aren't quiet?

[15:15:44]

juski:

nooooo, imploooved ploglam finderer: www.juski.co.uk/pfind.png

[15:16:23]

Dagmar:

Actually, I could duplicate left and right to the rear speakers with a flag in alsamixer as a setting on one of my cards...

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juski:

wir i firish plojekt glayhem wide today? prace bet now!

[15:16:46]

Dagmar:

...but mainly I just want the bloody subwoofer to come on to fill in the gap left by the rather lackluster left and right fronts

[15:17:19]

juski:

Dagmar: subs are great for annoying the neighbours

[15:17:25]

Dagmar:

I'm gonna check my build and make sure it didn't freak out and exclude ALSA or something

[15:17:37]

juski:

and unless your fronts have 12" or more woofers, you're never gonna get real bass

[15:18:03]

Dagmar:

I get dead silence putting ALSA in as the Audio output device

[15:18:31]

juski:

wth? Radio One's demographic is 14–25 year olds, so wth is Van Halen's Jump doing on when they turn a whole day over to requests? is that not telling em something?

[15:18:53]

Dagmar:

That's telling them that someone knows how to manipulate a phone queue

[15:19:02]

brianp:

juski: must be retro

[15:19:07]

Dagmar:

...and in any case, if it's anything like it is here in the US< requests don't mean shit

[15:19:15]

Dagmar:

The labels have a lock on what *must* be played

[15:19:23]

juski:

not on the bbc

[15:19:47]

brianp:

yep, they anit biased at all *cough*

[15:19:58]

Dagmar:

Stuff like this is why you don't hear certain country artists like Jonny Cash (except for his last few albums) on "Country" stations, no matter how much you ask

[15:20:08]

sphery:

Dagmar: You'll need to do something like ALSA:default (or change default to any valid logical or physical name of an ALSA device that can accept PCM audio at any rate).

[15:20:27]

juski:

brianp: so they're biassed against Blair – isn't that a good thing? ;)

[15:20:35]

Dagmar:

sphery: Yes, ALSA:surround51 got me dead silence for LIveTV

[15:20:39]

sphery:

Dagmar: I think the easiest approach would be to create your own logical device that uses a translation table to duplicate the channels--so you can duplicate them also to the LFE freq.

[15:20:49]

sphery:

surround51 may require 48kHz samples...

[15:21:02]

sphery:

Also, make sure you use "default" for mixer device.

[15:21:13]

sphery:

Without a valid mixer device, you'll get no audio.

[15:21:36]

juski:

sphery: oh so this'd be why trying to use spdif passthru for the Internal player makes unpretty noises in my speakers then

[15:21:44]

Dagmar:

WHat do I have to name the _mixer_ device?

[15:21:53]

Dagmar:

Clearly, /dev/mixer is now verboten

[15:22:11]

sphery:

Dagmar: Here's a good ref for doing the ttable: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/134552#134552

[15:22:27]

Dagmar:

Actually, I know both my cards have no problem with 44.1Khz, and the thing is capturing at 48k anyway to avoid issues if I ever bother to burn a DVD

[15:23:19]

juski:

will somebody please bin alsa & replace it with something human beings can understand PLEASE

[15:23:23]

Dagmar:

sphery: Oh thanks but I already know how to arbitrarily reroute speaker outputs

[15:23:32]

sphery:

juski: That's part of it. Also, the fact that Myth doesn't send appropriate IEC958 control bits. And, the fact that most S/PDIF support in cards is not through a dedicated input, but through what I call "PCM input leaching"...

[15:23:47]

Dagmar:

juski: This is why I was advocating extended sessions of violent beatings for the ALSA documentation authors earlier

[15:23:49]

juski:

I know I'm all elitist when it comes to most things in linux but not alsa. alsa is ducking evil

[15:23:59]

** directhex drops PAM on juski **

[15:24:03]

directhex:

and LDAP too!

[15:24:08]

juski:

you can't RTFM & suddenly understand it

[15:24:16]

** Dagmar throws a yellow flag **

[15:24:23]

sphery:

Dagmar: Even though your card has no problems at 44.1kHz, that may only be because of the application of plugins (specifically, the plug plugin) that does rate conversion.

[15:24:26]

juski:

directhex: them too, but you're less likely to need to know how those work

[15:24:29]

Dagmar:

THat is NOT fair play, dropping PAM on someone

[15:24:32]

juski:

*in every day use*

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Dagmar:

sphery: No, actually I mean both the sound cards I have here don't suck

[15:25:04]

directhex:

you all use PAM daily!

[15:25:13]

Dagmar:

The SBLive! 5.1 card definitely has no problems with being fed sound at "whatever" sample rate

[15:25:20]

sphery:

Since ALSA 1.0.9, the "default" device always includes plug support for "software" sound cards (that only accept 48kHz), so the user never knows. But, the same doesn't apply for things like surround51.

[15:25:37]

juski:

directhex: yes but it just tends to work (tm) without us needing to know the finer details of its gussets

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sphery:

Yeah. SBLive is not a software sound card.

[15:25:50]

directhex:

tee hee. "gusset"

[15:26:05]

Dagmar:

So anyway, when I've selected "ALSA" (or should I say, manually entered it in the box) as the default sound output, is /dev/mixer no longer considered a kosher mixer device?

[15:26:16]

sphery:

correct

[15:26:22]

sphery:

it has to be just plain "default"

[15:26:22]

directhex:

Dagmar, nope. need an alsa mixer

[15:26:35]

Dagmar:

Ah, okay. THat makes no sense at all

[15:26:37]

sphery:

(although because of user confusion, it will now accept "ALSA:default", too).

[15:26:44]

Dagmar:

...but if it works I'll scribble it into the wiki

[15:26:58]

sphery:

/dev/mixer is an OSS name, so for ALSA, you need to use a valid ALSA name.

[15:27:07]

sphery:

Generally, the only one that's usable is "default"

[15:28:15]

sphery:

Definitely requires the user to learn stuff that the user shouldn't need to learn (since there are few people for whom "default" is not what is desired for ALSA output, perhaps I should patch it to "know better").

[15:28:38]

** sphery feels like a coder for a certain OS/Office Suite company.... **

[15:29:07]

sphery:

But, anyway, Dagmar I had an ulterior motive for finding you on the channel, today...

[15:29:23]

sphery:

You're probably going to want to kill me.

[15:29:51]

Dagmar:

It would be handy if it didn't autopopulate the setup with ONLY OSS-centric device names

[15:30:13]

Dagmar:

Hmm.... I get sound with "ALSA:default", but not just "ALSA" or "ALSA:surround51"

[15:30:17]

Dagmar:

Somethin' ain't right

[15:30:30]

sphery:

Right. Just ALSA won't work--you have to specify a device name.

[15:30:46]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but ALSA:surround51 probably _should_work

[15:30:55]

sphery:

I still think there's a difference in "ALSA:surround51". I'll check in a minute (gotta look at the card def).

[15:30:58]

Dagmar:

It's a default, built-in name

[15:31:07]

sphery:

Yeah.

[15:31:28]

Dagmar:

...and I've seen that it works with speaker-test -c 6 -D surround51

[15:31:44]

Dagmar:

Yes, I am definitely gonna be adding a lot to the wiki once I sort this

[15:32:05]

Dagmar:

You don't need those music notes in DXF format or something do you?

[15:32:15]

sphery:

No.

[15:32:18]

Dagmar:

Thank god

[15:32:26]

sphery:

But, I guess I should finish my confession...

[15:32:35]

sphery:

I'll come back to the sound card in a minute.

[15:32:38]

Dagmar:

OKay

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sphery:

Anyway, when I had the images, I made a new work directory and put my copy of freefont-sfd in there and unzipped it.

[15:33:21]

perlmonkey:

hi guys

[15:33:32]

sphery:

I opened up the FreeFont FreeSans font and found out that it had the eighth note (and none other).

[15:34:02]

sphery:

Then I opened up the other fonts and found that they /all/ had all of the glyphs I was trying to add (and they even went so far as to make them different for italic/oblique/bold).

[15:34:19]

Dagmar:

hehe

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perlmonkey:

i'm getting an error when trying to burn a dvd using mythburn "Error while opening codec for output stream #0.1 – maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height" any ideas anyone? full log output here: http://pastebin.ca/516134

[15:34:30]

sphery:

My old work directory had an older sfd tarball in it--that didn't have the glyphs.

[15:34:36]

Dagmar:

FUn

[15:34:43]

Dagmar:

You're still in better shape than I am

[15:34:44]

sphery:

So, since you did take the time to do the work, I don't want it to go to waste.

[15:34:58]

Dagmar:

Well, it *was* all of 15 minutes' work

[15:35:07]

sphery:

The Bitstream Vera fonts don't have those characters. So, if you're OK with the licence, I could try to get them added to it...

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Dagmar:

I have an "I don't care" policy about anything that didn't take at least an hour to do

[15:35:54]

sphery:

Still, I don't mind when my stupidity causes me to waste time (good thing since I spent about 8 hours on this before you rescued me), but I don't want it to waste others' time.

[15:36:00]

Dagmar:

So long as like, rights in it don't reasonably amount to several million dollars o something

[15:36:20]

Dagmar:

I gotta go and change the interline spacing on the bloody LCARS fonts I've been using

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sphery:

Well, with the Bitstream Vera license, it's free for others to use--they can even modify--they just can't use the name Bitstream or Vera anywhere in their derived font.

[15:36:49]

Dagmar:

ABout hte best I can say about the derived rights on those font files is "Well, they're on about a million Star Trek fansites for free"

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sphery:

So, I'll go ahead and submit a ticket for Myth to update the fonts to the current freefont fonts.

[15:37:31]

Dagmar:

sphery: Yeah, mod that sucker then. Bitstream Vera Sans is almost disturbingly good when you put it alongside their craptacular serifed versio

[15:37:32]

Dagmar:

n

[15:37:38]

sphery:

Then, I'll work on getting your images into Bitstream vera.

[15:38:15]

sphery:

I always liked Vera Sans (and your images are perfect for that one--seem to even fit better than with the other FreeSans glyphs).

[15:38:42]

sphery:

Anyway, thanks for understanding that some people (=me) are idiots... :)

[15:38:51]

Dagmar:

It's not a problem

[15:38:58]

sphery:

I'll still try to make use of your work, though.

[15:39:04]

Dagmar:

I look at most of this stuff as "things I don't have to make backups of"

[15:39:35]

sphery:

Cool.

[15:39:40]

Dagmar:

I saw a quote once from Linus about his personal backup policy and he says he doesn't... The internet does it for him.

[15:39:42]

sphery:

You may see it again, anyway. :)

[15:39:48]

sphery:

Cool.

[15:40:11]

sphery:

I don't primarily because I find that anytime I lose something, when I re-create it, it comes out better than the first time.

[15:40:26]

sphery:

(I may be an idiot, but I /can/ learn from previous experience. :)

[15:41:09]

Dagmar:

So, should ALSA:surround51 work or do I need to stick ":plug:" in there between 'em?

[15:41:49]

sphery:

Dagmar: what happens when you put in "ALSA:plug:surround51"?

[15:41:53]

Dagmar:

I feel an urge to call and scream at Microsoft coming on

[15:41:57]

sphery:

Funny, you're right where I am.

[15:42:01]

Dagmar:

Lemme find out

[15:42:20]

Dagmar:

Oh you're working from a windows box what keeps whining it wants to reboot, too?

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gbee:

I thought MS had stopped that 'forced reboot' stuff in XP?

[15:43:10]

Dagmar:

AHA It *does* work

[15:43:20]

Dagmar:

gbee: Clearly, they have not

[15:43:35]

Dagmar:

Every ten minute the thing is carping at me that if I don't click the button in 5 minutes it will reboot on it's own

[15:43:43]

Dagmar:

...which is really starting to piss me off

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sphery:

Dagmar: With your sound card, it's unlikely that the problem is the rate. Instead, it's probably the channel conversion that's causing "ALSA:plug:surround51" to work.

[15:45:55]

sphery:

plug does sample rate, channels, and format conversions automatically.

[15:45:57]

Dagmar:

Umm... a problem causing something to *work*?

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gbee:

Dagmar: guess you won't appreciate the patch I'm writing at the moment then, which tells the user every X minutes that it will leave LiveTV unless they press any key

[15:46:02]

Dagmar:

Ahhh

[15:46:13]

sphery:

No, just a different effect of the plugin.

[15:46:14]

Dagmar:

gbee: I will find where you live eventually

[15:46:32]

sphery:

gbee: lol

[15:46:59]

Dagmar:

sphery: OKay, so what's the syntax to basically pass a -D argument through it then... ...or where can I find a list of the other possible things to stick in "ALSA:(.*)'

[15:47:30]

sphery:

Dagmar: If you want, you could put the appropriate config in your ALSA config (/etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc) and give it a more memorable name.

[15:47:46]

perlmonkey:

hi

[15:48:04]

Dagmar:

Well, right now I don't see quite how Myth is telling ALSA anything since I don't get output for anything but ALSA:default

[15:48:08]

perlmonkey:

cud use sum help

[15:48:15]

sphery:

I'm a big fan of ALSA conf files. I'm annoyed by how many people fear them. (I don't need that. In FC# it's not required. Etc.)

[15:48:37]

sphery:

So, ALSA:plug:surround51 doesn't work?

[15:48:50]

Dagmar:

Well, it works but clearly the subwoofer isn't doing squat

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Dagmar:

Lemme go try that again with the music player

[15:49:04]

sphery:

One sec. I think what you really want is a ttable...

[15:50:00]

Dagmar:

wheee... complete crash of mythmusic

[15:50:19]

sphery:

Yeah. You'll probably want a different device for MythMusic.

[15:51:01]

Dagmar:

I've like one that works, yes. ;)

[15:51:37]

Dagmar:

Oh, I'm a tard. I put in "ALSA:default:surround51"

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

OKay, definitely ALSA is being a prig about the subwoofer output

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Dagmar:

Certainly something like http://alsa.opensrc.org/Low-pass_filter_for_s . . . nnel_(HOWTO) should be getting built into the bloody thing by now

[15:57:30]

sphery:

Most subwoofers have their own filters built in, don't they?

[15:57:50]

juski:

by the nature of their construction, usually

[15:58:03]

sphery:

Right.

[15:58:18]

sphery:

So, I recommend you try this, Dagmar http://pastebin.ca/516168

[15:58:21]

juski:

but you benefit from having a proper x-over

[15:58:25]

Dagmar:

Yeah, the problem is that ALSA is kind of expecting to be told something specific to *send* to that channel

[15:58:43]

Dagmar:

...so I have to actually tell it to mux left and right and re-route it to LFE

[15:59:05]

Dagmar:

Not sure how to make it take the difference _between_ left and right and send that to center, but I'll live

[15:59:50]

sphery:

The first (muxing them) is what I'm doing with the ALSA conf I pastebin'ed.

[16:00:03]

sphery:

Don't know how to get the difference...

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Dagmar:

YEah the URL I posted does that for it's warm-up act

[16:00:58]

sphery:

If the conf I gave you works, it should give better sound quality than "ALSA:plug:surround51" because it doesn't use the plug plugin (since your card shouldn't need it) to mess up the input stream.

[16:01:11]

sphery:

Hmmm. I should look at your link...

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Dagmar:

This is why I was asking about syntax

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Dagmar:

I have no idea what can be the second colon-separate argument other than "default" or "plug"

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sphery:

Oh. So, that one uses a very similar construct.

[16:02:37]

sphery:

It's using plug, though, so you'll probably be happier with mine (if it works--completely untested).

[16:03:08]

sphery:

The second part in Myth is the ALSA device name.

[16:03:26]

Dagmar:

Yes, and this is where ALSA docs fall over and go bewm

[16:03:34]

Dagmar:

THey don't really bother much about explainig how device names figure in

[16:03:35]

sphery:

The config I gave creates a logical device named "stereoto51", so you'd put in "ALSA:stereoto51"

[16:04:46]

sphery:

Right. It's exteremely powerful once you understand it. I've been unable to teach the Myth list how it works, so I quit trying (especially when people started adding all sorts of wrong info into the Wiki). It was an impossible battle, so I cut my losses and retreated.

[16:05:27]

sphery:

The biggest problem is that there a literally millions of pages talking about how it works. I would guess some number much smaller than 1% is mostly correct. Very few pages are truly correct.

[16:06:21]

sphery:

Anyway, if you get my config working, you can adjust the values for ttable.#.4 and ttable.#.5 (which are currently at 0.5) saying to mix both channels together, each at 1/2 volume, to send to the LFE.

[16:07:02]

sphery:

You may get better results with less than 1 volume (i.e. 0.3 for each) or with more than 1 (i.e. 0.75 or 1 for each) depending on your sub.

[16:07:19]

Dagmar:

This would assume I had encountered the documentation for the ttable function yet

[16:07:21]

sphery:

If it doesn't work as give, you can change "type route" to "type plug" and it will work.

[16:07:57]

sphery:

I explained it a bit at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/134552#134552

[16:08:15]

Dagmar:

...which I am still Googling in hopes of finding something more verbose than "CCHANNEL { SCHANNEL REAL }" which mean nothing to me

[16:08:51]

Dagmar:

I'm getting that the last value is a percentage...

[16:09:28]

Dagmar:

Is it basically FROM.TO PCT?

[16:09:53]

sphery:

Basically. At 0.5 it means to send the stream at 1/2 volume.

[16:10:01]

sphery:

Did you try using the conf, yet?

[16:10:04]

Dagmar:

Yes, a percentage value

[16:10:52]

tzanger:

hmm, is there a reason I'd be missing as to why a "record one showing" item would remain in the scheduling table after it's been recorded?

[16:11:45]

juski:

yes

[16:11:54]

juski:

the duplicate checking method

[16:12:21]

Dagmar:

ouchowieouch

[16:12:25]

** Dagmar dies **

[16:12:41]

sphery:

tzanger: it gets cleaned out when you run mythfilldatabase

[16:12:46]

Dagmar:

OKay

[16:12:52]

sphery:

What? I have to run mfdb? But I'm using EIT...

[16:12:52]

tzanger:

sphery: ah

[16:12:58]

tzanger:

I don't run that since I use EIT :-)

[16:13:00]

sphery:

Well, in 0.21, you won't have to run mfdb

[16:13:07]

sphery:

OK. Just trying to add some drama. :)

[16:13:11]

Dagmar:

It's bloody awesome that it works and I owe you a firstborn child or something but I have GOT to learn to not blindly run levels up on stuff

[16:13:28]

Dagmar:

I had the damn sub and center channels up so high that they went to about 80dBa

[16:13:31]

sphery:

Didn't blow your speakers, did it?

[16:13:56]

juski:

80dBA is nowt

[16:14:05]

Dagmar:

No, but in my mad grab for the remote to make the drums stop I managed to slap my bare foot into the side of the wooden rolling card all my remotes live on

[16:14:06]

sphery:

Besides, it's the least I could do--after you rescued me from a pit of artistically-challenged despair...

[16:14:16]

sphery:

Oh.

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[16:14:33]

Dagmar:

I have a paper towel jammed on it now. Very sharp corners on that sucker

[16:14:38]

sphery:

I blew some speakers when testing my LIRC config.

[16:14:49]

juski:

as an aside why do people only ever do the very *least* to thank folks? ;)

[16:15:08]

Dagmar:

Enh this is a set of Altec Lansings I picked up for just under $100. They're probably not capable of blowing themselves up

[16:15:12]

sphery:

I was using irsend SEND_ONCE to send a volume up to my receiver. I couldn't tell if it was working, so I put it in a loop.

[16:15:15]

sphery:

It was working...

[16:15:25]

Dagmar:

YAY that swounds like fun

[16:15:45]

sphery:

Funny part is that as I realized what was happening, I started to type the commands to stop it and blew the speakers because I took too long.

[16:15:53]

Dagmar:

It's the middle of the afternoon here but I don't think my neighbors would really appreciate the dissonant harmonies of Amon Tobin

[16:16:05]

Dagmar:

*especially* not Chomp Samba

[16:16:58]

sphery:

Had I been less panicked, I would have realized I could have a) covered the IR receiver on the A/V receiver, b) turned off the receiver, c) unplugged the serial connection to the transmitter, d) unplugged the IR LED's, e) ...

[16:17:08]

Dagmar:

Twice I've had cops pull me over just to ask "What the f*ck are you lissenin' to boy?"

[16:17:08]

sphery:

Oh well, they were junk speakers, anyway.

[16:17:15]

sphery:

lol

[16:18:17]

Dagmar:

This is Tennessee.

[16:18:44]

Dagmar:

The public's exposure to what raw signal generation can do is not exactly very high so far

[16:19:24]

Dagmar:

They don't much like it when it sounds like instruments are being turned inside out while being played

[16:19:43]

sphery:

juski has a good point about "the least I could do"...

[16:20:14]

sphery:

I may have to check that out--just so I can truly appreciate the sound.

[16:20:34]

directhex:

i need a way of boosting the volume on my BE/FE. it's very quiet

[16:20:42]

Dagmar:

Umm...

[16:20:50]

Dagmar:

You can't er... just turn the knob?

[16:20:52]

sphery:

directhex: using digital out?

[16:20:56]

Dagmar:

Ahh

[16:21:53]

Dagmar:

Oh joy

[16:21:55]

brianp:

http://pastebin.ca/516221

[16:22:01]

Dagmar:

Found more funneries

[16:22:09]

brianp:

can anyone decypher that error for me please?

[16:22:10]

sphery:

If with digital out, turn the receiver's knob. If analog out, you'll need to turn the various software knobs (i.e. alsamixer (and if using Myth internal volume controls, Myth), not to mention the recording volume controls.

[16:23:07]

Dagmar:

Here's the thing I noticed the other day that I really don't care for about ALSA...

[16:23:12]

sphery:

brianp: Forgot to install mythtv before compiling mythplugins?

[16:23:14]

Dagmar:

"Master" volume isn't really.

[16:23:15]

directhex:

sphery, no, just stereou out on the green jack on the mobo

[16:23:30]

directhex:

Dagmar, the teevee is on 100% volume, as is alsa and myth. and it's still quiet

[16:23:35]

brianp:

sphery: i hope its somthing ovbious like that

[16:23:41]

brianp:

but i'm watching mythtv now

[16:23:46]

brianp:

could be an old version

[16:23:54]

brianp:

i'll reinstall it and try again

[16:23:56]

Dagmar:

It is that

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gbee:

directhex: when I switched to alsa recently I actually found it much louder than oss

[16:24:33]

sphery:

directhex: find all the applicable volume controls--Master, PCM (or whatever your card calls them) for playback, the recording volume controls in mythtv-setup, ...

[16:25:02]

Dagmar:

Master probably isn't it

[16:25:17]

directhex:

sphery, PCM and Front.

[16:25:20]

Dagmar:

Master, here anyway, gimps out and only turns down left and right. *joy*

[16:25:22]

sphery:

brianp: It looks like it's an issue with an older version of mythtv (maybe even a version installed with packages--and packages and compiling yourself don't mix, so if so, I recommend uninstalling the packages).

[16:25:39]

sphery:

Dagmar: That's true of most sound cards drivres.

[16:25:42]

sphery:

It's on purpose.

[16:26:03]

sphery:

You'll need to use a volume control script and turn of Myth's internal volume controls.

[16:26:25]

Dagmar:

sphery: And yet, the description in MythTV frontend setup menus (and is what most people would believe) is "This affects all sound created by the sound card"

[16:26:57]

juski:

the joys of using analogue sound eh

[16:27:24]

juski:

you'd think that most soundcards would be able to do a halfway decent digital vol. control these days

[16:27:39]

juski:

ahh actually not on compressed streams.. oops

[16:28:51]

Dagmar:

Hey, if I'm using an external script (when I eventually figure that around) I'll be able to work around the goddamn linear to log volume ramping issue

[16:29:09]

sphery:

Dagmar: try http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/volume

[16:29:20]

juski:

your amp doesn't have a log vol. control? oops

[16:29:32]

Dagmar:

juski: I'd like it if manuf's would farking quit putting taper controls where 50% isn't actually 50%, but really 77%

[16:29:46]

sphery:

I have a 3rd OSD method (using a program I wrote), but it's not quite ready for primetime.

[16:29:50]

Dagmar:

So like, to make something _quiet_ you have to run the thing all the way down to 5%

[16:31:00]

Dagmar:

sphery: Wait... this looks like it would make the normal OSD volume control not work anymore

[16:31:02]

sphery:

Gotta run. Enjoy your sound. Good luck with volume.

[16:31:16]

sphery:

Right. You have to disable mythtv's internal volume control.

[16:31:33]

Dagmar:

Yes, well, I think I'm going to figure out how make ALSA not be so retarded.

[16:31:35]

sphery:

So, it puts its own OSD in place.

[16:31:45]

sphery:

It's like that by design.

[16:31:57]

Dagmar:

Yeah and that's a Bloody Stupid Johnson kinda thing

[16:32:04]

sphery:

I don't think there's anything you can do to lock the volumes of all the channels.

[16:32:10]

sphery:

:)

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sphery:

Good luck. The script is there if you want it.

[16:32:42]

sphery:

Other approach is to get a receiver and an IR transmitter... Probably better, too.

[16:32:45]

Dagmar:

If I can route streams together, surely there's a way to make Master actually tie to the other sliders

[16:32:55]

Dagmar:

I just gotta find the thing

[16:32:57]

sphery:

(If only we could get the 8-channel uncompressed PCM that HDMI 1.3 allows...)

[16:33:06]

directhex:

Dagmar, if it were a bloody stupid johnson thing, your volume would only change when writing to random pre-defined sectors of a floppy disk

[16:33:15]

Dagmar:

directhex: Or explode.

[16:33:35]

directhex:

YOUR HEAD A SPLODE

[16:33:39]

Dagmar:

...but this *is* rather dim to name a control "Master" when it's not

[16:34:06]

Dagmar:

THanks again sphery

[16:34:14]

directhex:

i wonder whether my patch will make it into alsa

[16:34:26]

Dagmar:

I wonder if it's worth trying asking in #ALSA about this

[16:34:28]

sphery:

Anyway, I'm just glad you were working on ALSA stuff--something about which I have a bit of knowledge--today so I could help repay you for the drawings.

[16:34:42]

sphery:

Never hurts to ask.

[16:34:50]

Dagmar:

I get the feeling I might be about to be drilling into a rich vein of high quality stupid.

[16:34:55]

sphery:

(The post-question flaming might hurt, though. :)

[16:34:58]

directhex:

Dagmar, #alsa is mostly about running random scripts which give the output of "cat /proc/asound/*"

[16:35:00]

sphery:

But I doubt anyone will mind.

[16:36:11]

Dagmar:

Hooly crap Google is sneaky

[16:36:22]

Dagmar:

First hit for my sorry query gave me http://alsa.opensrc.org/How_to_use_softvol_to . . . aster_volume

[16:40:10]

Dagmar:

THis is going better than my attempt at eliminating commercials in realtime using timestretch

[16:40:32]

Dagmar:

Turns out that it'll manage to skip all but the first commerical break, but at 75% speed everyone seems a wee bit stoned

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gbee:

lol

[16:47:42]

juski:

at 50% they sound like a D&B breakdown

[16:47:52]

Dagmar:

heh

[16:48:11]

Dagmar:

Action scenes look like someone put valium in the drinking water

[16:48:16]

juski:

gbee: that's one thing.. speakers'll be good for showing off timestretching

[16:51:27]

gbee:

juski: hmm, ok – mine are currently broken but either you or stuarta can supply a pair, or I'll have replacements by then

[16:52:00]

juski:

gbee: I've got some dodo speakers somewhere

[16:52:54]

kormoc:

Myth Total Conversion!

[16:53:10]

juski:

don't go telling people they can use a pvr350.. it'll only lead to heartache

[16:53:24]

brianp:

lol

[16:53:40]

brianp:

<<350 user

[16:53:45]

calvin_:

juski: what abot pvr250, is that worth it?

[16:53:50]

directhex:

juski, i SAID it sucks!

[16:53:54]

juski:

calvin_: pvr150, pvr500

[16:53:54]

Dibblah:

juski: Nothing wrong with people beating their heads with bricks. Forms character.

[16:54:13]

kormoc:

Caliban_, the pvr 150 replaced the 250, is cheaper and all that jazz. no point in getting a 250 anymore

[16:54:14]

directhex:

calvin_, worth it for what?

[16:54:19]

brianp:

i bought it bacuse i have a 350 motorbike ;)

[16:54:34]

Dagmar:

GOd this ALSA documentation sucks

[16:54:46]

Dibblah:

I have a GC125, so I rounded up and got a 150.

[16:54:49]

calvin_:

juski: so, pvr150 and watch and record what you see or pvr500 record a million things while watching whatever you want..... kinda polarised choice

[16:54:53]

brianp:

lol

[16:54:55]

Dibblah:

CG125, even.

[16:55:07]

kormoc:

brianp, I have some cheap properity in florda that is at 350 loop road... wanna buy it? :P

[16:55:19]

brianp:

yep

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brianp:

how 'cheap'?

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kormoc:

how much ya got? :P

[16:55:59]

** brianp empties his pockets **

[16:56:14]

brianp:

err £2.50 sterling

[16:56:17]

kormoc:

booya! just use this stick to keep the gators at bay!

[16:56:28]

brianp:

lol

[16:57:38]

kormoc:

brianp, there was this huge scam 30 years back or so, people would buy "prime" propriety and it turned out it was undrained swampland

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calvin_:

Any other hardware-encoders that are as wildly used as PVR-X

[16:57:55]

directhex:

that IS prime property! it's ripe for building theme parks on!

[16:58:07]

directhex:

calvin_, no, not really

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directhex:

go7007 stuff i suppose

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calvin_:

directhex: looks alot like a pvr250

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directhex:

calvin_, except for being external and connecting via a network port, yeah

[16:59:12]

directhex:

usb, even

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Made_Man:

Hello all, I'm a bit of a ubuntu newb, but have worked with computers for a while

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calvin_:

directx, USB, I should be libing in slo motion then

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Made_Man:

I have a question about working with mythbuntu

[16:59:39]

Made_Man:

is there anyway to get to the "normal" ubuntu interface?

[16:59:48]

directhex:

calvin_, 480mbit isn't fast enough?

[16:59:54]

Made_Man:

I'd like to do things like create network shares, install programs, etc and It's a lot easier from the standard ubuntu interface

[16:59:54]

juski:

there's also a Plextor ConvertX allegedly. encodes to mpeg4 in hardware

[17:00:00]

directhex:

Made_Man, install "ubuntu-desktop"

[17:00:08]

directhex:

juski, that's go7007.

[17:00:15]

Made_Man:

all I have is a command line, and the options to start the backend server, etc

[17:00:26]

juski:

Made_Man: oh you shoulda read the docs!

[17:00:28]

Made_Man:

do I type that from the commandline?

[17:00:41]

directhex:

Made_Man, aptitude install ubuntu-desktop

[17:00:49]

calvin_:

directhex, Yeah, when it works like it's supposed to. I'm sure Fireiwire is prefered in some situations for a reason even though, throught what I understand, it has the same theorotical speeds

[17:00:55]

Made_Man:

ha – I did read, just can't seem to find this

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directhex:

you didn't find how to use apt?

[17:01:12]

directhex:

there are rougly twelve billion links on google with apt in them

[17:01:36]

juski:

Made_Man: then you followed the wrong doc.. you should've gone for the one which mentions frontend, backend AND desktop :)

[17:01:50]

Made_Man:

weak

[17:02:01]

Made_Man:

I only saw frontend, backend, or both

[17:02:03]

juski:

all the choices are there

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calvin_:

so, at the end of the day, I gotta use PVR 500 to be satisfied (along with having a S-video outputting video card). There isn't a wild diverisity of documentation on sound cards. Are there any that are Myth-friendly and that can output 5.1 (when source allows)?

[17:04:12]

juski:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . nd_Desktop_O

[17:04:31]

directhex:

juski, i think he's using a specific ubuntu-based mythtv distro

[17:04:38]

kormoc:

calvin_, http://alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/

[17:04:43]

juski:

calvin_: just about any $2 soundcard will do IMHO

[17:04:46]

Made_Man:

thanks for the help guys, I'm trying that now

[17:05:24]

calvin_:

thx for link and opinion

[17:06:00]

juski:

check the list at alsa-driver.org before buying though

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juski:

all I'm saying is you don't need to spend $400 to get decent digital output of 5.1 when you use passthru :)

[17:07:07]

juski:

mythtv won't use all the poncy fancy DSPs of the Audigy+++++++++++++ or whatever they are called

[17:07:13]

calvin_:

juski, well, I'm aiming for a SPDIF exit, not the regular 5 mini-jack

[17:07:23]

gardenhermit:

i want an oxygen-free, 100% gold optical spdif cable

[17:07:30]

juski:

well, just about any old cheap-ass soundcard will do for ya

[17:07:51]

** juski takes all the oxygen out of gardenhermit's room **

[17:07:55]

juski:

muhahaha

[17:07:57]

Made_Man:

is it a possibility that the root account is named something different?

[17:07:59]

kormoc:

calvin_, my fav is the 16 bit sound blaster lives

[17:08:05]

juski:

oxygen-free enough now?

[17:08:07]

Made_Man:

when I try that command, it asks if I'm logged in as root

[17:08:14]

calvin_:

really, so, if it has a SPDIF exit, then Myth will slave it's ass in obedeince?

[17:08:19]

kormoc:

Made_Man, add sudo to the front of it

[17:08:21]

gardenhermit:

juski: i'm living off teh intarwebs

[17:08:23]

juski:

Made_Man: ubuntu likes you do use *sudo*

[17:08:26]

directhex:

Made_Man, you need to learn the absolute bare-minimum basics about linux

[17:08:45]

Made_Man:

thanks, I know directhex, I'm working on it

[17:09:54]

Made_Man:

ok "sudo" worked thanks again

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calvin_:

wow the ASLA database is cool and helpful for the audio choices ... I wonder if such databse exists for video cards.. *cough*

[17:12:51]

directhex:

calvin_, nvidia.

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directhex:

calvin_, done!

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directhex:

calvin_, and generally, try to get a card that has a [3] in the notes section

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Dagmar:

calvin_: From where I sit, it's a load of bullshit

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Beirdo:

ho hum

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kormoc:

Mornin' Mr Beirdo

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** Beirdo waits for the E4500 to come up in diagnostics test mode :) **

[17:14:29]

calvin_:

directhex, well, my Ubuntu is okay with my ATI (word from hell for Linux apparently) 9800 PRO and it has an S-Video ouput, so I'll give it a try

[17:14:50]

directhex:

calvin_, good luck. you'll need it.

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Beirdo:

we don't have a SCSI terminator. BAH... so we can't do much with it yet... but it is currently running 8*400MHz UltraSPARC-II with a total of 8GB memory

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kormoc:

nice :)

[17:15:12]

calvin_:

but in case it screws up, which it probably will, I'll turn to nVidia whatever with whatever exit

[17:15:27]

Beirdo:

need a terminator to attach the disk tray to the SCSI bus. oops

[17:15:40]

Beirdo:

so right now, it's CPU, memory, DDS3 drive and DVDROM

[17:15:41]

Beirdo:

heh

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Dagmar:

ALSA is just being _hateful_ today

[17:16:46]

calvin_:

as for hardware-encoders (no way I have a 2gHz pc for this proect), anything else except PVR's.. ^

[17:16:48]

calvin_:

?

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kormoc:

calvin_, not really... what's wrong with the pvrs?

[17:17:40]

calvin_:

kormoc, I don't know really, I'm just hit by the fact that the choices I have are PVR500, top class or PVR 250, low gutter

[17:18:00]

kormoc:

calvin_, uhh... you mean pvr 150 and 500, skip the 250

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kormoc:

calvin_, and the 500 is just two 150's on a single card... they're exactly the same otherwise

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calvin_:

kormoc, I guess... well, good then. PVR500, nVidia something, Soundcard something, everything should work fine

[17:30:00]

calvin_:

last question.. what is that parallel-looking yellow connector on my sound card.............

[17:30:17]

Made_Man:

for a joystick/controller

[17:30:18]

gbee:

joystick

[17:30:23]

calvin_:

damn

[17:30:45]

calvin_:

It looked like it could somehow be plugged directly into my sound system and magically work

[17:30:49]

directhex:

or MIDI

[17:30:51]

calvin_:

thanks again

[17:30:55]

gbee:

back before usb was all the rage and the only reason for buying a sound card was to play games

[17:31:03]

Made_Man:

haha yep

[17:32:04]

calvin_:

it's christly difficult to find an audio card with Toslink output in the ASLA database! what wrong with these card manufacturers!!

[17:32:58]

directhex:

calvin_, nobody uses it

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calvin_:

:'( what about having good sound from a home theater system!? No one wants that except me?

[17:34:16]

directhex:

calvin_, um... no

[17:35:11]

calvin_:

....wow...okay.. that puts the logic of buying and selling enormous speakers that make great sound to the test

[17:40:09]

kormoc:

calvin_, well, if you want, here's a good card: http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail.asp?prod=vx882hr it's also $1,900...

[17:41:06]

calvin_:

well, how foolish of me! I forgot to be rich!

[17:41:43]

kormoc:

well, there's a large market for high end audio, it also comes with a large bill, tis all

[17:41:54]

kormoc:

if you're gonna go cheap of course you are not gonna find high quality stuff

[17:42:06]

directhex:

nforce2 boards used to do it

[17:42:49]

directhex:

there were a bunch of NF2 boards with onboard spdif. t'was cool for a while

[17:45:31]

calvin_:

well, how difficult can it be to make a TOSLINK/SPDIF/whatevername output! they have those one low low low low end DVD players

[17:46:00]

kormoc:

all my boxes have them

[17:46:02]

** kormoc shrugs **

[17:46:35]

directhex:

calvin_, copper's cheaper

[17:46:54]

calvin_:

it's a digital signal.. how cheap can the signal be..

[17:47:21]

bendavis78:

Does mythtv have native support for lirc (ie, not using irxevent or lircrc)?

[17:47:22]

gbee:

my laptop has toslink output

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gbee:

as does my desktop motherboard

[17:47:37]

directhex:

bendavis78, yes

[17:47:52]

gbee:

bendavis78: yes, no

[17:47:56]

bendavis78:

oh

[17:48:05]

bendavis78:

so, no irxevent, but yes lircrc

[17:48:06]

gbee:

bendavis78: it has native support – but still requires a lircrc

[17:48:10]

bendavis78:

gotcha

[17:48:21]

directhex:

now that you mention it, my motherboard has onboard optical

[17:48:43]

gbee:

bendavis78: it's been on my list for a very long time to remove the need for the lircrc

[17:48:55]

gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/

[17:48:56]

kormoc:

all three of my mobos have onboard optical and my sb live 16 bit $12 cards also have optical

[17:49:42]

calvin_:

all right then well I'm getting anything that has a digital audio output and let MythTv (ultimately me) deal with it

[17:51:01]

bendavis78:

gbee: yeah, it'd be awesome if there was an interface for setting up the remote ctrl bindings :)

[17:52:33]

gbee:

mythcontrols

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gbee:

but it still requires you to actually map remote buttons to keyboard keys in a lircrc first

[17:58:42]

bendavis78:

yeah, what would be ideal is to be able to map remote buttons directly to mythtv functions, instead of mapping to keyboard keys.

[17:59:12]

bendavis78:

Like, "CH+" is "MythTV:ChanUp" instead of the keyboard "Up"

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[18:02:09]

kormoc:

Mornin' xris.

[18:02:32]

xris:

mornin

[18:03:02]

kormoc:

xris, you should update mythweb... lots o' changes... feedback welcome

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xris:

yeah, saw the commits last night

[18:06:53]

gbee:

bendavis78: yeah, that's what I have planned – but it's fallen down the list behind higher priority jobs

[18:09:19]

Dagmar:

fsck me running

[18:09:24]

Dagmar:

http://pastebin.ca/516439 <-- this was all that was needed

[18:09:37]

Dagmar:

That and setting Mixer Controls to "SoftMaster"

[18:10:02]

directhex:

Dagmar, alsa's pretty extensible. it's just evil

[18:10:05]

directhex:

Dagmar, like PAM!

[18:10:12]

Dagmar:

Much more evil than PAM

[18:10:23]

Dagmar:

I had PAM figured out in about 20 minutes

[18:10:53]

Obeah_:

I meant "...car 2 /dev/video2, etc...?

[18:12:10]

Obeah_:

make that "card 2 and /dev/video2...

[18:12:33]

Dagmar:

Obeah_: Generally they are

[18:12:37]

Dagmar:

Starting with /dev/video0

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[18:13:10]

Dagmar:

You have three PVR-150's or something?

[18:13:40]

Obeah_:

I've been troubleshooting this for the entire weekend – read so much my head's swimming. they're WinTV GO cards (2 of 'em) and one 350

[18:13:53]

directhex:

framegrabbers! yay!

[18:14:06]

Dagmar:

OH JOY

[18:14:24]

Obeah_:

..not sue of the WinTV Go's are 250's?

[18:14:34]

Dagmar:

HAHAH

[18:14:36]

Dagmar:

No way

[18:14:46]

directhex:

wintv go is an absolute bottom-end bt878 framegrabber card

[18:14:51]

Obeah_:

that's what I thought.

[18:15:03]

directhex:

possibly with a 320xwhateverish resolution limit, i don't remember

[18:15:04]

Dagmar:

I suggest you start by taking the two WinTV GO cards out of the box and work on getting the PVR-350 working with IVTV

[18:15:12]

Obeah_:

So they will be recognized as V4L cards?

[18:15:44]

Dagmar:

It's ridiculously easy to make the PVR-350 go

[18:15:49]

Obeah_:

V4L as in analog

[18:15:58]

Obeah_:

Yeah the 350 works like a charm

[18:16:06]

Dagmar:

You install the IVTV driver from ivtvdriver.org, drop in the two firmware files and it'll work

[18:16:06]

kormoc:

Obeah_, they use the bttv driver

[18:16:34]

Dagmar:

Once you've done that, you take those two WinTV Go cards and sell them on eBay to some chump, take the money and go buy a PVR-500 card.

[18:16:41]

Dagmar:

Very simple.

[18:16:53]

kormoc:

Obeah_, both the 350 and the bttv cards are v4l cards. v4l is video 4 linux, it's a api, tis all

[18:17:01]

Dagmar:

EVEN IF THIS INVOLVES SHIPPING TO NIGERIA it will be easier than dealing with the framegrabbers.

[18:17:05]

Obeah_:

Yeah.. that's what I've been thinking ...

[18:17:15]

** directhex grabs kormoc's frames, sells them on ebay **

[18:17:26]

kormoc:

Dagmar, I'm more with trashing the framegrabbers so that new people don't come in here with the same problems...

[18:17:31]

Dagmar:

bttv == framegrabber == TEH EV0L

[18:17:50]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Well, he might be able to find some chump running Windows to sell the jto

[18:18:07]

Dagmar:

er sell them to. That and some people just _watch_ TV, they don't record it

[18:19:02]

kormoc:

$20 says the bttv driver isn't actually loading at all

[18:19:36]

Obeah_:

This is weird... the first install (F1) went smooth and all three cards worked and recorded, then the issues began....backend not connecting, etc..

[18:19:53]

kormoc:

F1?

[18:20:07]

Obeah_:

..Yeah it's Knoppmyth

[18:20:14]

kormoc:

ooh

[18:20:30]

Obeah_:

wrong channel I guess

[18:20:40]

kormoc:

that's more R5F1 then just F1

[18:20:45]

Obeah_:

yes

[18:21:15]

kormoc:

cause F1 is more akin to Fedora 1, which is ungodly old

[18:22:02]

tormen:

kormoc: I found something... in the sourcecode :-)

[18:22:06]

Obeah_:

It's my first attempt with Myth and when it works it great

[18:22:27]

tormen:

kormoc: you remember: I am the guy who would like to play .nuv-rjpeg videos with mplayer...

[18:22:37]

kormoc:

yeah, I remember

[18:23:02]

tormen:

kormoc: the guy from the mplayer-mailinglist who is responsible for the nuv/rjpeg code

[18:23:16]

tormen:

appears 10 times in the source code of mythtv as copyright holder :-)

[18:23:26]

tormen:

so ... he is my man :-)

[18:23:36]

tormen:

(i hope)

[18:23:47]

tormen:

(at least he is willing to fix)

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tormen:

kormoc: sorry... needed to tell this somebody... because I really found this sort of amusing, because this guy told me, that he won't install mythtv because of the huge amount of dependencies, so I guess, he does not know yet, that his code is used in mythtv.

[18:25:19]

kormoc:

tormen, heh, fair 'nuff

[18:26:26]

tormen:

another question: what is the easiest way to manually add a job to the mythjobqueue from a (shell/perl/python)-script?

[18:26:42]

tormen:

is there a template where someone already did this?

[18:26:46]

Obeah_:

anybody know if the USB Hauppauge units work under Myth yet?

[18:27:35]

tormen:

I looked inside the contrib folder and found nothing grepping for the name of the accroding sql table "jobqueue"...

[18:28:16]

tormen:

Does someone know: Do I have to add an entry in the "jobqueue" table or is it possible to "inject/trigger" a job from the command-line somehow?

[18:28:37]

kormoc:

tormen, check the wiki

[18:29:00]

tormen:

hmm. I tried: "job" and "job queue" but both were not helpfull.

[18:29:43]

gbee:

Obeah_: some of them – see the wikis at www.linuxtv.org

[18:29:50]

kormoc:

tormen, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs

[18:30:23]

planktonboy:

hi xris

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Obeah_:

gbee: thanks

[18:30:32]

xris:

morning

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tormen:

kormoc: thnx. but I want to use/trigger such a user-job...

[18:31:30]

gbee:

does mythtv really have a huge amount of dependencies? I wouldn't have said so, but then maybe I'm wrong?

[18:31:33]

kormoc:

tormen, define said job and then in the recording schedule tell it to run said job after show is recorded

[18:31:49]

planktonboy:

xris, I've been looking a bit more at the mythweb remote virtual keyboard

[18:31:50]

Dagmar:

I think Qt counts as "huge" all by itself.

[18:31:53]

kormoc:

gbee, think of someone without QT and all that jazz installed, it's a bit

[18:32:45]

tormen:

kormoc: sorry, but I would like to use mythtranscode from a script. But mythtranscode has a mandatory parameter: job-id which leads me to the "jobqueue".

[18:33:20]

kormoc:

tormen, look at the source to nuvexport, it deals with mythtranscode correctly

[18:33:34]

tormen:

ah. good point.

[18:33:36]

tormen:

ghnx

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tormen:

thnx

[18:33:44]

planktonboy:

still no joy with it, but was wondering if it is still a work in progress or should it work as is already

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planktonboy:

the remote page shows up fine from within mythweb

[18:35:05]

planktonboy:

and I can see the keyboard layout, and when I click any of the keys it is sending packets to the Master Backend Machine

[18:35:21]

kormoc:

planktonboy, it shouldn't. it should only send to a frontend

[18:35:34]

planktonboy:

ah thats what I mean

[18:35:36]

kormoc:

you also need to enable the frontend to listen to telnet commands

[18:35:49]

planktonboy:

the frontend on that machine

[18:35:56]

planktonboy:

yes

[18:36:17]

planktonboy:

that is in the frontend Utils Setup General setup pages

[18:36:34]

planktonboy:

but maybe the port needs changing

[18:36:56]

planktonboy:

what port number does the mythweb remote send on

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[18:37:29]

planktonboy:

on the frontend it is set to 6546

[18:37:59]

juski:

transcode died early.Please use the --debug option to figure out what went wrong. nooooooooooooo

[18:38:01]

monkeyBox:

Where do I generally put my .lircrc file?

[18:38:09]

juski:

monkeyBox: ~

[18:38:17]

planktonboy:

but if the mythweb remote is using telnet function would that not be another port

[18:38:26]

juski:

your *lircrc* file (with no dot at the front), in ~/.mythtv/

[18:38:31]

monkeyBox:

hmm, ok. Doesn't seem to be working then :-(

[18:38:44]

monkeyBox:

irw shows that my lircd.conf is correct

[18:38:57]

kormoc:

planktonboy, should be that port, aye

[18:39:06]

planktonboy:

yeah?

[18:39:33]

planktonboy:

kormoc is your mythweb remote working then?

[18:39:41]

kormoc:

yes it is

[18:39:55]

xris:

planktonboy: mythweb sends to the configured port.

[18:39:58]

tzanger:

anyone know of a decent bluetooth remote that isn't a cell phone?

[18:40:03]

xris:

it won't enable the frontend unless it can talk to it.

[18:40:15]

planktonboy:

ok

[18:40:20]

monkeyBox:

juski: oh, so it should be ~/.mythtv/lircrc?

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juski:

monkeyBox: yes like the docs say so

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monkeyBox:

ahh, ok. thanks

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planktonboy:

it certainly seems to be recognising the frontend then here

[18:41:20]

planktonboy:

just not able to activate or control it

[18:42:48]

planktonboy:

wierd

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juski:

xris: the transcode failed. no idea why either

[18:43:21]

juski:

planktonboy: you know you have to enable the telnet interface in mythfrontend, right?

[18:43:34]

Kevorkian:

did it work before you broke it ?

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planktonboy:

juski, yup Ive done that

[18:43:59]

xris:

juski: lame

[18:44:16]

juski:

xris: got to 99% too :(

[18:44:34]

planktonboy:

I might try running the mythfrontend in a debug more to see if it logs any errors

[18:44:49]

planktonboy:

debug mode

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** juski tries cleaning the file before running ffmpeg on it **

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Redth[a]:

this is killing me, i got my dvb-s card now i just need a dish

[18:49:37]

tormen:

kormoc: ah ok. I was wrong: -j is not mandatory (anymore) to mythtranscode --> :-)

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monkeyBox:

Is it possible to make it so that mythtv shows the Channel name instead of the callsign while browsing channels?

[18:54:29]

monkeyBox:

I have both "Channel format" and "Long Channel format" set to "name"

[18:54:44]

gbee:

monkeyBox: guessing no

[18:54:55]

Anduin:

monkeyBox: are you sure the name isn't the callsign?

[18:55:11]

monkeyBox:

Yes, I'm sure.

[18:55:21]

monkeyBox:

I'm looking at the DB table right now

[18:55:43]

gbee:

monkeyBox: are you refering to browse mode, you when you actually change a channel and it's name pops up?

[18:56:09]

gbee:

hmm, nevermind – ignore me

[18:56:16]

monkeyBox:

gbee, both

[18:56:44]

monkeyBox:

It's actually showing Callsign – Number

[18:57:02]

gbee:

monkeyBox: in the OSD 'banner'?

[18:57:19]

monkeyBox:

gbee, it's not in the "banner" it's at the top left

[18:57:36]

monkeyBox:

The banner just shows title and descr.

[18:57:42]

monkeyBox:

lemme see what osd thm I'm using

[18:58:00]

gbee:

monkeyBox: ah right, guess juski got rid of that in blootube

[18:58:25]

gbee:

but I was going to suggest that you might be able to change it in the OSD theme anyway

[18:59:18]

monkeyBox:

I'm using "isthmus"

[18:59:29]

monkeyBox:

So that's hard-coded in the osd theme?

[19:00:13]

spader3d:

ne1 who has used the mediamvp on a network to control an external stb.....how is the channel change time?

[19:00:46]

juski:

ne1 ? that's a postcode in Newcastle Upon Tyne :D

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monkeyBox:

oh, cool.. found the osd.xml file

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juski:

gbee: btw you ever noticed a problem with the blootube-osd ?

[19:07:06]

gbee:

nothing I don't see with other themes – cropping of the description, callsigns

[19:07:59]

gbee:

maybe some issues with the icon, can't remember right now

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[19:10:19]

planktonboy:

when I run mythfrontend in verbose mode and then run mythweb remote it says NetworkControl: New connection established

[19:10:50]

planktonboy:

so its able to see the frontend

[19:12:35]

noddan:

I'm thinking of getting a AN-M2HD mainbord for combined frontend/backend

[19:12:53]

noddan:

it has onboard HDMI

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noddan:

I wonder if it works in linux..

[19:13:12]

planktonboy:

NetworkControl: Listening for remote connections on port 6546

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planktonboy:

so that is active

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planktonboy:

cant think what else the prob is

[19:15:09]

Tanthrix:

(Though I'm not sure about the HDCP enabled ones if they work or not)

[19:15:22]

noddan:

it has onboard HDCP, that's what I'm wondering about

[19:15:23]

noddan:

ah

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juski:

HDCP is only like macrovision.. if the software doesn't enable it, it doesn't get enabled already

[19:15:55]

noddan:

okay

[19:16:07]

juski:

I can't see any linux software turning it on somehow

[19:16:19]

planktonboy:

any other ideas I can try to fix this would be appreciated :)

[19:16:24]

noddan:

hmm

[19:16:39]

Tanthrix:

Not a single piece of linux software supports it, and god damn it, it shouldn't!

[19:16:44]

noddan:

ah

[19:16:45]

noddan:

okay

[19:16:59]

noddan:

but it will still work as a "regular" HDMI-port?

[19:17:00]

Tanthrix:

So the real question is just whether or not the video chipset is supported – is it nvidia based?

[19:17:07]

noddan:

yes

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noddan:

7050

[19:17:23]

noddan:

so it should work

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Tanthrix:

I'd wager a guess that it'll work fine then, though if I were you I'd do some googling to confirm before purchasing

[19:18:00]

noddan:

yeah I guess I'll have to hold my horses... It's brand new, available for purchase in about two weeks

[19:18:02]

Tanthrix:

Nvidia has a real active forum, so if someone else hasn't already asked, you should be able to and get an answer quickly

[19:18:05]

noddan:

and I don't wanna wait any more :)

[19:19:07]

Tanthrix:

Hehe, I know what you mean – I just bought a new system recently because I couldn't wait any longer

[19:19:38]

Tanthrix:

I've regretted it too – should have waited until summer. Would have had more time to work on it, and prices would have been all that much cheaper

[19:19:51]

planktonboy:

brb

[19:19:56]

noddan:

okay

[19:20:25]

noddan:

I can't wait to embed my homeautomation system in myth.. I've been waiting for soo long. Well, a few months anyway

[19:21:56]

juski:

just watch the film 'Demon Seed' that'll put you off

[19:22:35]

juski:

synopsis.. angry HA computer decides to have a kid with dude's wife

[19:22:44]

juski:

pwnage

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cesman:

new meaning to the word cuckold

[19:24:02]

juski:

hey cesman. theme updates abound!

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juski:

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