Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, May 27th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

[00:01:18]

juski:

gbee: I saw that :-P

[00:01:43]

mzb:

I've been playing with some of the results from my overnight test: found a 30min clip with some music videos in it, so I removed it from the auto-expire list and selected "Start Commercial Flagging" on it .. but nothing seems to be happening (no cpu usage). What is supposed to happen?

[00:01:56]

juski:

ordinarily you'd be right but something in me has snapped & I'm not on a knife's edge at the moment. maybe this is the new norm. We can only hope!

[00:02:38]

juski:

mzb: by default the times jobs run between is limited. check those in mythtv-setup

[00:03:30]

juski:

well, that was a slightly disappointing ending to an otherwise cracking series. ah well. bring on series two :)

[00:03:50]

Servo888:

HAHAHA! 23,3% mythfrontend / 2.7% mythbackend | it's alive! XvMC is working :-) yay

[00:03:51]

mzb:

ah, makes sense, thanks ... so that's a backend setting I take it ... is it possible to transfer transcode and commerical-flagging jobs to the master backend?

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GreyFoxx:

juski: what show is that ?

[00:04:01]

juski:

got me new stat counter in place to track all y'all clicks :)

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juski:

GreyFoxx: Heroes

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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Scuzzle:

Evening, folks.

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juski:

it ranked as 'okay'. I know they couldn't have had it any different at the end.. what about the ratings?! ;)

[00:05:08]

juski:

hi Scuzzle

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juski:

morning, even!

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Scuzzle:

Just. :)

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juski:

been morning for an hour

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mzb:

ie. can I get the master backend server to do all the hard work, rather than the local backend? (where local backend is on same machine as frontend)

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juski:

mzb: yes you can. consult the orac.. I mean the wiki

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mzb:

cool .. k, any pointers? (or search terms?)

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juski:

backend jobs ?

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juski:

er..

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JoeyJoeJo:

how can I fix this problem? http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0013qe9.jpg

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hads:

No, it's been afternoon for 8 minutes :)

[00:10:43]

juski:

No, it's been.. hey I know let's have a war

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juski:

I'm right!

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Anduin:

JoeyJoeJo: check your DPI

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JoeyJoeJo:

Anduin: I think I'm running at 75 DPI

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JoeyJoeJo:

do I need to switch to 100?

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Anduin:

JoeyJoeJo: 100 is expected

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, I guess I'll have to read up on that

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Anduin:

It could also be bad font substitution

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JoeyJoeJo:

how could I check to see if that were the case? in the mythfrontend logs?

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juski:

install BitStreamVera

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juski:

I don't think any of the font size settings I designed make the text _that_ big

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zambaroo:

ohohoh so guys, do i hook up my mythtv box to my 50" tv?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I should hope not

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mzb:

juski: can't see anything obvious, I'll have a browse through mythtv-setup and fiddle a bit ;)

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juski:

mzb: it's in the general page in mythtv-setup

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JoeyJoeJo:

juski: do I need to do any configuring after I install the bistreamvera font?

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juski:

no idea how to install fonts on your distro

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JoeyJoeJo:

juski: I thought myth might need some configuring

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juski:

JoeyJoeJo: to check your desktop DPI, you run xdpyinfo |grep dots from a terminal in X

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, I'll do that

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mzb:

juski: k, thx

[00:18:19]

juski:

damn. blootube-wide is still the most popular page on my site

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juski:

nothing for it but to discontinue it :-P

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mzb:

ooh: "Transcoding for the PDA" gives me some ideas (moohaahaarrrggh!) ... better not get distracted :)

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juski:

grr folks clicking on my badges page but not buying. sad :(

[00:21:10]

juski:

you're denying our LUGRadio live MythTV exhibition its funding

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mzb:

juski: only thing I can suggest is a currency converter ... all looked good to me ... but my mythbox is under the house, so a badge probably wouldn't suit me much. Maybe a pic of the badge on a mythbox might help? (ie. "Badge in action" shot?).

[00:24:00]

juski:

my camera can't do it justice

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mzb:

put a webcam on it then ;) :)))

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mzb:

(jk)

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juski:

wtf is a webcam?!

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mzb:

just a suggestion

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JoeyJoeJo:

juski: I just ran xdpyinfo, and it says I'm using 203x203 dpi. That must be the problem, I guess. I'm running at 1080i on an LCD TV if it makes a difference.

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juski:

JoeyJoeJo: search the net for "displaysize" – you'll find some suitable values & methods for calculating em

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JoeyJoeJo:

juski: ok, thanks

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juski:

put the numbers in yer xorg.conf

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juski:

203DPI... jees. BIG text man

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JoeyJoeJo:

tell me about it

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juski:

mzb: so er.. what currencies would you suggest I list?

[00:31:37]

juski:

wow. these work out as expensive stickers for USA folks!

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juski:

oh damn

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mzb:

juski: well us$ prob makes sense (I guess), and euros maybe ... personally I'd like to see $au .... but I guess you should be able to tell from your web logs which countries are giving you traffic

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juski:

if people can't be bothered to check out their own currency conversions..

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RaYmAn-Bx:

people are inherently lazy though

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mzb:

as I said, just a suggestion to (possibly) help you get more than just clicks

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juski:

early days yet anyway. only posted it up today.. er yesterday

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mzb:

my website has a geolocator on it if you're stuck for ideas on geo-location: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/

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mzb:

true: early days

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JoeyJoeJo:

juski: thanks for the displaysize tip, that was the problem. I tracked down an option on my nvidia card that I had to disable, then put in the correct display size

[00:38:07]

juski:

JoeyJoeJo: np :)

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clever:

found a minor bug in mythtv

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clever:

2 backends

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juski:

JoeyJoeJo: anyway it was jams who suggested the displaysize problem in the 1st instance

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clever:

setup said to run jobs on any host and to start commflaging as soon as the recording started

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clever:

1 backend would record and the other would start to commflag as i wanted at the same time

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clever:

and 8–9mins later it would finish commflaging before the show ended

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JoeyJoeJo:

juski: hmm, must have missed that.. thanks to jams too

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clever:

so it thinks its all flaged but only the first 8–9mins are flaged properly

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clever:

im guessing the flager catches up by then and then stops instead of waiting for more video

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hads:

mzb: Your website turns out really odd in Konqueror.

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rikstah:

Cardoe, ping

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mikeones_:

hello

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mikeones_:

is the ivtv driver and firmware-ivtv in mythtv svn?

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mikeones_:

0.21?

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hads:

ivtv is a seperate project so no.

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mzb:

hads: oh well ;) (can you tell me what the problem is? ... ie javascript or transparency)

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juski:

I had an idea for OSD UI stuff today. let the transparency be configurummable. I'll make a note of that one

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juski:

hmm. need bed

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hads:

mzb: It looks normal except the entire site looks like it's in an overflow:scroll div. Odd.

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mzb:

strange, thx for letting me know ... I'll have to get around to fixing it up at some stage

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mzb:

time to test remote #2 ... and then get 2yo ready for family party *sigh*

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mzb:

bbl

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Servo888:

As far as 'launching' an application with xmodmap – is that done with XF86Launch0? If so how does one define which application gets launched when that keycode is pressed?

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Servo888:

Hmm I guess I would need to tell me WM to listen for certain keys to launch an application...

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HalonChilled:

hi, would i be able to install knoppmyth on my Mac Powerbook (ppc OSX 1.4), as a frontend for my mythbox, into the existing partitions, or what are my options?

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HalonChilled:

nobody knows?

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Anduin:

knoppmyth used to have their own channel, if they still do, I'd try there

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HalonChilled:

im on it

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HalonChilled:

nobody answeres

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HalonChilled:

as ususal this is the only channel that people actually are interested in helping other people

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** Servo888 goes to #xorg to try there **

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Servo888:

Also why doesn't mythtv disable the DPMS control of xorg? My monitor keeps turning off... grr oh wait... It just keeps it on during playback right?

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Anduin:

Servo888: It should be disabling it during playback

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Servo888:

ok cool – so it all makes sense. Anduin, do

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Servo888:

shoot

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Servo888:

Anduin: do I need acpi enabled in the kernel?

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Anduin:

Servo888: for what?

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Servo888:

grr typo

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Servo888:

Anduin: nvm I'm thinking off acpid

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Servo888:

of*

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Tanthrix:

So, I have about 10 ATSC channels I've scanned and picked up with my A180 – I've also made a new lineup with my zap2it labs account that contains those channels

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Tanthrix:

How do I reconcile the two? (Such that the detected channels are properly named and get the guide data, instead of showing as "Unknown" now

[02:39:23]

Tanthrix:

Do I have to manually edit the db, or does the new channel editor do this function?

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Tanthrix:

(Actually, they're QAM256)

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briand:

make sure they all have the proper xmltvid (channel editor), and then run mythfilldatabase — it should find (and populate) both lineups on zap2it

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Tanthrix:

I'm quite quite sure I get what the xmltvid is

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Tanthrix:

not quite sure*

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Tanthrix:

From the beginning: I have an A180, a firewire connection, and a PVR-150 added in that order. The firewire and PVR-150 are setup to "Main" and "Digital Cable" respectively, which have separate zap2it labs lineups

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: a channel id, for source information

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Tanthrix:

I setup the A180, set it to use another video source named "A180" which has a third zap2it labs line up, and then did a channel scan

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Tanthrix:

So now I have my 10 channels or so in the program guide, labled correctly, but with "Unknown" for show data

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Tanthrix:

If I tune to one of the channels, pull up the editor, I see (using PBS as an example) "Callsign: KOPBDT, Channel #: 10.1, Channel Name: KOPBDT (KOPB-DT), XMLTV ID: 19609"

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Tanthrix:

Probing with any of the fields empty just fills them back in as they were before

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theshadow:

I have a question... where is a guide I can use to either make Mythtv or create a script file on auto transcoding my recorded shows with something like Ogg/Xvid?

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AeroIllini:

does the mythtv frontend support mplayer working in a fb console? i.e., can I install a diskless without X?

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GreyFoxx:

AeroIllini: Well, myth doesn't really "support" mplayer at all, other than you get to define your own player for mythvideo

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GreyFoxx:

But supposedly you can use myth with qt embedded and directfb, though very few people do it

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AeroIllini:

what does mythtv use to display all the graphics that are not video? qt?

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GreyFoxx:

Yes

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AeroIllini:

ok, so as long as both mplayer (or xine, or whatever) and qt can both run in a directfb, then I should be able to do it

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Captain_Murdoch:

and opengl for some menus if you have that enabled

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AeroIllini:

hmmmm... ok

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GreyFoxx:

You will need to pass some special compile flags to myth for directfb support as well

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AeroIllini:

I'm installing with Gentoo, so I think it's just a USE variable

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AeroIllini:

I'm building a diskless mini-itx frontend, booting from USB drive with initrd and running from a ramdisk ... so I'd like to keep the memory footprint low, and using directfb instead of X is a good way to do that

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hads:

Have you looked at minimyth?

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AeroIllini:

hads, never heard of it

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** AeroIllini googles it **

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GreyFoxx:

why run from a ramdisk? Why not just nfsroot it ?

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AeroIllini:

wouldn't ramdisk be faster?

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Captain_Murdoch:

Gig of Ram + nfsroot + nocto mount option = hardly ever having to hit the NAS for binaries once they're loaded.

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GreyFoxx:

You wont find the performance difference that significant really

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GreyFoxx:

and since you only load the binaries once and then they are cached in ram anyway

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AeroIllini:

ahh, ok

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AeroIllini:

I was planning on putting logfiles over nfs anyway

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AeroIllini:

so I didn't destroy the flash media with writes

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GreyFoxx:

most of my frontends are nfsrooted. They boot from aCF card with a kernel on it and nfsroot their FS's

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AeroIllini:

I also kind of want to learn how to make a ramdisk in gentoo

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GreyFoxx:

and before I picked up those I had nfsrooted "full pc's" minus the drives of course)

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AeroIllini:

maybe I'll do both and see which works better :)

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hads:

I use a mini-itx with 512MB and minimyth loaded into RAM.

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GreyFoxx:

well, as a learning experience it's all good :)

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hads:

Seems to work fine.

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AeroIllini:

hads, minimyth is a whole distro

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GreyFoxx:

That is 55meg compressed

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AeroIllini:

part of my mythtv experience will be building it from scratch ... hardware and software :)

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GreyFoxx:

It's tiny

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AeroIllini:

yeah, looks cool

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AeroIllini:

I'm just starting to set up my chroot for building the ramdisk now

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AeroIllini:

all the hardware works ... I already hooked it up and booted once

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AeroIllini:

well on my way! :)

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AeroIllini:

GreyFoxx, is your frontend hardwired ethernet, or wireless?

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GreyFoxx:

all hardwired

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GreyFoxx:

I ran ethernet/coax/phone to every room in the house

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AeroIllini:

that would be nice :)

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AeroIllini:

I'm going to try wireless first and see if it can handle the bandwidth ... if not, I'll string some cable

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GreyFoxx:

I'm moving in acouple months, already planned the wiring route to do the same there

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hads:

Run 2 x Cat5 rather than phone, more useful.

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AeroIllini:

when my parents built their last house, I convinced them to put a data line in next to the phone, and wire the house for ethernet

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GreyFoxx:

though to be honest I have most of the external ports disabled on my switch

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AeroIllini:

they're very happy with it

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AeroIllini:

or 1 ethernet

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GreyFoxx:

Cause I already had the wire and wanted to use it rather than toss it :)

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hads:

That's a good reason :)

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AeroIllini:

very good reason

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GreyFoxx:

I still have a spool of coax and ethernet in the basement. My wife keeps threatenning to toss them :)

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AeroIllini:

my parents actually ran 3 cat5 cables ... 2 phone lines, fax line, unused extra phone line, data

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: What's the correct procedure for mapping a zap2it labs line up onto QAM channels picked up via the scanner over an A180?

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hads:

AeroIllini: phone lines only need 1 pair so Cat5 can do loads of lines if you really want.

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GreyFoxx:

Tanthrix: I don't know if there is a "correct" way. I only know how I did it :)

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: Mind giving it to me in 20 words or less? ;) I'm having problems, and despite the wiki pages, I'm getting no where fast

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hads:

I usually just put RJ45 wall plates everywhere as you can plug RJ11/12 phones into them easily as well as data. Although our phones are all IP now anyway.

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AeroIllini:

hads, yeah, but the more lines you put in there the more chance there is for crosstalk

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GreyFoxx:

I went through each channel, visually id'd it, then placed the xmltvid in that channels database entry via mythweb's channel editor) and enabled that channel on a new zap2it account I setup for a new videosource for the QAM card only

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GreyFoxx:

I put the xmltvid, callsign and channel name in via mythweb

[04:10:22]

Tanthrix:

Is the xmltvid something you get from the zap2it labs line up?

[04:10:46]

GreyFoxx:

yes. There might well be a central repository somewhere I don';t know

[04:11:01]

GreyFoxx:

but I had them all already from my analog tuners/channels/zap2it

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Tanthrix:

So basically it's a matter of, using the channel editor, assigning each channel to the proper xmltvid which corresponds to a channel from a zap2it line up?

[04:12:41]

GreyFoxx:

pretty much

[04:12:50]

GreyFoxx:

xmltvid, callsign and channelname

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GreyFoxx:

I filled them all in

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Tanthrix:

The question though, is how, assuming you don't have them already in a different source, you find out the xmltvids and such?

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GreyFoxx:

Never been in that situation

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Tanthrix:

Thanks, I'll see what I can do

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Aquahallic:

evenin' folks....

[05:27:44]

Aquahallic:

when viewing livetv I have a thin white line on the bottom and right side of my TV... I've tried the overscan options and nothing.... anyone else seen this?

[05:29:00]

Kevorkian:

might not be overscan persay .. but more like an offset

[05:30:47]

Aquahallic:

well it'd be something you'd try to compensate on a monitor by shifting the picture

[05:31:15]

Aquahallic:

it's almost as if the window isn't going to the outter most points on the tv...

[05:33:29]

tjcarter:

hey all, I just moved and did some major upgrading and tweaking of myth upon doing so.

[05:34:03]

tjcarter:

I'm following #23.7, moving to new hardware, but I am concerned that the lineup has all changed..

[05:34:09]

tjcarter:

new cable co, new lineup, etc

[05:34:41]

Kevorkian:

And your question is ?

[05:34:56]

tjcarter:

should I skip restoring INSERT INTO `record` lines?

[05:35:15]

tjcarter:

or if not, how do I deal with channel lineup changes?

[05:35:40]

Kevorkian:

rerun mythtv-setup and rescan

[05:36:08]

Kevorkian:

configure the new line up and program guide settings .. and mythfilldb

[05:36:20]

tjcarter:

oh, the new lineup is configured already

[05:36:37]

tjcarter:

I'm just about to import a lot of rules from an old DB installation

[05:37:04]

tjcarter:

I don't want Myth to record MythBusters on ESPN =D

[05:37:06]

Kevorkian:

do you wish to save your old recordings ?

[05:37:12]

tjcarter:

yes

[05:37:19]

tjcarter:

I'm more concerned about recordings than rules

[05:37:32]

tjcarter:

I'd LIKE to save rules, I MUST save recordings

[05:37:47]

Kevorkian:

then restore to an exact copy of the old .. then change the line up settings .. and mythfilldb to put the line upchanges in the db

[05:38:42]

tjcarter:

I'm just wondering if the easiest way to do it is omit that first line

[05:38:55]

Kevorkian:

iirc rules are chan based .. as in numbers not names. so you will need to rebuild rules .. I think.

[05:40:12]

tjcarter:

and FWIW, mythfilldatabase needs --do-channel-updates in your suggestion, at the very least

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Kevorkian:

if im reading that proper .. leaving out the record statmens will leave out your rules..

[05:42:14]

Kevorkian:

I would save the old rules .. and just modify them ..

[05:42:26]

tjcarter:

yeah, but I don't know all of the channel IDs

[05:42:41]

tjcarter:

Myth uses an ID number for the channels

[05:42:59]

tjcarter:

eg, 1049

[05:42:59]

zambaroo:

hi all

[05:43:09]

Kevorkian:

yea .. there is a table with id=chan number

[05:43:14]

zambaroo:

i returned the ati tv wonder and got a pvr-150

[05:43:29]

Kevorkian:

congrats zambaroo

[05:43:40]

Kevorkian:

ati in linux leaves a lot to be desired.

[05:43:57]

Kevorkian:

tjcarter, I dont recall which table that is off hand tho

[05:43:59]

tjcarter:

zambaroo: If you're using KM, it will just reconfigure itself and give you mythtv-setup =D

[05:44:28]

zambaroo:

installed it. mplayer /dev/video0 shows tv but myth shows a black screen. on the console it says it's waiting for the recorder to start and times out

[05:44:37]

tjcarter:

Kevorkian: I could look it up, but that's a lot of work for a couple dozen rules, about 1/3 of which are for shows that are not airing now.

[05:44:59]

Kevorkian:

zambaroo, rerun mythtv-setup and rebuild the connections

[05:44:59]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, tyty, ati does suck on linux [sitting here with a bloody x1600.. dumbass]

[05:45:02]

tjcarter:

ah, slight problem. The videos, though in the right location, do not play.

[05:45:11]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, will try, thanks

[05:45:28]

Kevorkian:

permissions tjcarter ?

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zambaroo:

do i have to run mythfilldb every time i reconfigure?

[05:52:17]

Kevorkian:

its not a bad idea ..

[05:52:27]

Kevorkian:

but it should run daily anyway

[05:53:15]

Kevorkian:

the way I understand it . mythfilldb deals mostly with chan lineups and program info. So if that stuff changes then yea.

[05:54:02]

zambaroo:

thx

[05:54:12]

zambaroo:

no luck on the black screen :/

[05:54:39]

zambaroo:

ivtv creates several devices though, which one do i use? video0?

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Kevorkian:

are you sure you rebuit the connections properly ..

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Kevorkian:

depends .. wait .. the pvr is a hware mpeg card .. not ivtv

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zambaroo:

no thats fine, i think, it got detected and everything..

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** tjcarter installed KM R5F1... Capture on a PVR-500 is glitchy in ways I have not seen it glitchy before **

[05:56:25]

tjcarter:

seems like vhold is busted

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Kevorkian:

im pretty sure that the happauage cared is a hardware mpeg card ..

[05:56:48]

Kevorkian:

pal vs ntsc tjcarter ?

[05:57:36]

tjcarter:

Kevorkian: I doubt it.

[05:57:40]

tjcarter:

I'll check though

[05:58:11]

tjcarter:

No.

[05:58:17]

Kevorkian:

I had a geforce that would boot as pal but once I was able to tell it that it should be outputting ntsc it worked fine

[05:58:32]

hads:

Kevorkian: IVTV is for the PVRx50 cards

[05:58:34]

tjcarter:

oh no, I'm outputting to DVI =)

[05:58:36]

Kevorkian:

same symptions .. as if vhold was broke

[05:58:42]

Kevorkian:

Ahh .. ok

[05:59:31]

Kevorkian:

kk hads .. I was just remembering my first 250 install .. also had a black screen .. till I set to mpeg and not what it simply detected

[06:00:04]

zambaroo:

grr

[06:06:45]

tjcarter:

I wonder if the problem is similar though

[06:07:05]

tjcarter:

I mean, if someone slightly changed a freq table somewhere in the driver..

[06:07:50]

Kevorkian:

huh ??

[06:08:14]

Kevorkian:

that would expose itself in the chan scan .. not in the encode/decode

[06:11:22]

tjcarter:

what's this I am seeing about problems with 480x480?

[06:11:32]

tjcarter:

I bet that's my capture resolution.

[06:11:56]

tjcarter:

w/ PVR-150 (and presumably also 500)

[06:13:14]

zambaroo:

i cant get the damn thing to play tv at all..

[06:13:22]

zambaroo:

should i change the 480x480 thing?

[06:13:38]

zambaroo:

mplayer /dev/video0 shows me tv with sound though :-D

[06:15:55]

tjcarter:

let me sort out the problem =)

[06:19:17]

tjcarter:

There is mention of video corruption with VBI ...

[06:20:08]

zambaroo:

ew

[06:21:01]

zambaroo:

Bug. one of the dumbest ideas for a plot. Rated R for stupidity.

[06:21:17]

Kevorkian:

is that recent ?? iirc vbi issues with happauage cards were clean up years ago.

[06:21:41]

tjcarter:

That fixed it

[06:22:03]

tjcarter:

It affects 150 and 500 only apparently

[06:22:04]

zambaroo:

tjcarter, please, do tell

[06:22:06]

Aquahallic:

What player is MythTV using for it's livetv playback?

[06:22:21]

zambaroo:

tjcarter, how did you fix and what was broken

[06:24:13]

hads:

Aquahallic: It's internal player

[06:24:32]

Aquahallic:

hmmm

[06:25:17]

Aquahallic:

well I have a white line on bottom and right of my tv... when I use mplayer and view /dev/video0 it's not there

[06:25:29]

Aquahallic:

any way to edit the properties of that player?

[06:25:46]

tjcarter:

zambaroo: go into setup -> tv settings -> recording profiles -> MPEG-2 Encoders

[06:25:59]

zambaroo:

uhhuh

[06:26:08]

tjcarter:

zambaroo: Edit everything to 720x480

[06:26:15]

zambaroo:

eek.

[06:26:21]

tjcarter:

I left low-quality (which I never use) at 480x480

[06:26:23]

zambaroo:

god wont kill a kitten?

[06:26:37]

tjcarter:

I'll call that a transcode-only profile =)

[06:26:55]

zambaroo:

so what do i do with the software encoder profile?

[06:27:17]

tjcarter:

n/m, just make it all 720x480 =)

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tjcarter:

let your changes be bitrate, not resolution

[06:29:06]

zambaroo:

huh what

[06:29:13]

zambaroo:

i still get that black screen

[06:29:20]

tjcarter:

d'know what's the deal w/ 33k audio rate

[06:29:33]

tjcarter:

what black screen?

[06:29:40]

zambaroo:

when i try watching livetv

[06:29:50]

zambaroo:

no tv, it shows a black screen

[06:29:59]

tjcarter:

oh, I never use it =D

[06:30:01]

zambaroo:

and then goes back to the menu after a while

[06:30:05]

zambaroo:

oh

[06:30:12]

zambaroo:

i wonder if it records

[06:31:08]

tjcarter:

did you reconfigure your capture device under mythtv-setup?

[06:32:08]

zambaroo:

sure did

[06:36:52]

zambaroo:

hm its not recoding either

[06:37:04]

zambaroo:

darn, carlito's way just started, too

[06:38:00]

zambaroo:

oy, it segfaulted

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Aquahallic:

does the mythvideo plugin let mythtv use a different player rather than the builtin??

[06:51:22]

Anduin:

Aquahallic: It can

[06:51:29]

Anduin:

(for videos)

[06:53:46]

Aquahallic:

so I can't set myth to use something different for livetv?

[06:54:33]

zambaroo:

tjcarter, Kevorkian ok, so next time a retard like me asks about having a black screen w/a pvr 150, please tell them to set it up as an mpeg card, not v4l.

[06:54:35]

zambaroo:

thanks

[06:55:02]

hads:

Aquahallic: Why would you?

[06:55:18]

zambaroo:

now i get all sorts of scrabmly mess, but it's progress

[06:56:03]

Aquahallic:

there's something up with the default livetv player in myth on my box... I need to edit the geometry.. and not over scan... I need to take the pic the size it is and move it down and to the right

[06:56:26]

** Kevorkian scrolls up and looks at what I told you to do first **

[06:57:51]

Aquahallic:

right now I have a thin white line which is the very edge of the picture on the bottom and right side of my tv that I can't get rid of

[06:57:57]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, ah, you said 'it's an mpeg card' lol

[06:58:16]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, but now i figured out what you meant by that

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Aquahallic:

is there no way to do that in mythtv?

[07:00:56]

Aquahallic:

:(

[07:00:59]

Kevorkian:

Oh sorry I wasnt more specific ..

[07:01:27]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, nah, i should have picked up on that

[07:03:51]

zambaroo:

now whats with the bloody mess instead of video? i get the sound OK.

[07:04:08]

Kevorkian:

bloddy mess ?

[07:04:31]

Kevorkian:

by any chance is this a OSX front end ?

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zambaroo:

Kevorkian, no, feisty

[07:06:34]

Kevorkian:

ok .. explain what you mean by bloddy mess .

[07:07:15]

zambaroo:

hold on

[07:08:02]

Dagmar:

Hmm.. now where's the dude wot wanted those music nots

[07:12:03]

zambaroo:

sucky, cant import the pics from the camera.

[07:12:18]

Kevorkian:

well .. try to explain it

[07:12:54]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, but at any rate, there's a flicker and pixelation all over tha screen, and it all jitters and flickers. if i change channels, the sound changes, i can hear it well, but the picture stays the same mess.

[07:13:23]

zambaroo:

so it looks like it doesnt like what it gets from the wire

[07:13:30]

zambaroo:

as far as video goes

[07:13:54]

zambaroo:

like a video format mismatch or something

[07:14:00]

Kevorkian:

from the wire ?? your using the 150s tuner ?? or a line in or something ?

[07:14:21]

zambaroo:

Tuenr 1

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Kevorkian:

did you rerun the chan scan ?

[07:14:36]

zambaroo:

connected my cable to it

[07:15:07]

zambaroo:

do i have to _scan_?

[07:15:14]

zambaroo:

i mean, sound works _great_

[07:15:49]

Kevorkian:

well .. it cant hurt

[07:16:07]

Kevorkian:

might be that the old chans from the ati were diffrent ..

[07:16:08]

tjcarter:

I get this when trying to play imported database entries on a FE other than the one on the same host as the BE:

[07:16:11]

tjcarter:

http://pastebin.ca/513367

[07:16:12]

** Kevorkian shrugs **

[07:16:27]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, but the sound, dude. the sound owrks.

[07:16:40]

tjcarter:

Any ideas what's happening? =)

[07:16:47]

zambaroo:

Could not connect to server ""

[07:16:55]

zambaroo:

it's not filling something in there

[07:16:59]

Kevorkian:

looks like the new frontend isnt configured proper

[07:17:23]

tjcarter:

I wondered about that, but I'm not sure what's not configured

[07:17:27]

Dagmar:

"port -1" is another big clue

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tjcarter:

Lemme add perspective.. I CAN watch NEWLY RECORDED shows

[07:17:42]

Dagmar:

Run mythtv-setup again on the fe box

[07:17:52]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: it's a mac.

[07:17:59]

Dagmar:

okay then... *what* did you do to "import" these things?

[07:18:18]

tjcarter:

#23.7

[07:18:24]

tjcarter:

on the BE

[07:18:40]

tjcarter:

the FE running on that BE plays old and new recordings

[07:18:51]

tjcarter:

the mac can only play new

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[07:19:00]

tjcarter:

23.7 Moving your data to new hardware

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Gomez:

some a idea when my backend crashes like this: 2007-05–27 09:13:04.228 EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 28106

[07:19:54]

Gomez:

Segmentation fault

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Kevorkian:

tjcarter, what FE are you using ??

[07:20:05]

tjcarter:

Kevorkian: the one built for Mac

[07:20:11]

Dagmar:

Offhand, I'd say that the documentation isn't correct and the files aren't being imported as properly as all that

[07:20:34]

Kevorkian:

http://collectivity.goof.com/articles/2006/10 . . . x-universal/ <--- this one ?

[07:20:41]

tjcarter:

It used to work with Ubuntu, but I got tired of Ubuntu breaking mysql for Myth every couple of weeks, so I rebuilt the box

[07:20:46]

tjcarter:

that one, yes

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zambaroo:

oh.. my starting chan was 48........

[07:21:02]

Kevorkian:

kk .. just wondering . that guy usualy makes clean builds

[07:21:13]

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[07:21:15]

tjcarter:

oh! I bet I know what the problem is..

[07:21:26]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, yeeeeeeeees? =)

[07:21:32]

tjcarter:

the hostname has changed. I didn't consider it because myth uses IP for most things.

[07:21:40]

Kevorkian:

Do I get to say "I told you so" AGAIN ?

[07:21:42]

Dagmar:

It seems like there's a set of records that didn't get re-imported properly

[07:21:54]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, you get to hold a sign that says that.

[07:22:10]

zambaroo:

I get to wear a pin that says 'Kevorkian told me so.'

[07:22:18]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: the fact that the hostname changed isn't a problem?

[07:22:26]

Dagmar:

It could be

[07:22:37]

Dagmar:

Drop a line in /etc/hosts to get around it

[07:22:51]

Kevorkian:

depends .. might have some thing in .. yea what dag said

[07:22:51]

tjcarter:

did that on the myth box

[07:23:14]

Aquahallic:

hmm... sooo.. now I see what it is... it's where the "Full Screen" sets up mythtv at.... I'm in the menus and I get that white line "border"

[07:23:20]

Dagmar:

You have to find a way to separate the two sets of categories

[07:23:41]

Kevorkian:

Hey .. tjcarter .. does captions work in that osx front end ?? "T"

[07:23:45]

Dagmar:

One the one hand, you have things recorded before which were manually imported, and things recorded after htat weren't

[07:24:12]

Dagmar:

On the other hand, you've also got things recorded before an IP change, and things recorded after an IP change

[07:24:16]

Kevorkian:

so its an X thing Aquahallic ?

[07:24:25]

Aquahallic:

I believe so

[07:24:38]

Aquahallic:

can you set X geometry ?

[07:24:44]

Kevorkian:

the Ip is assoicated with the recording ?

[07:24:44]

Dagmar:

Not for full screen

[07:24:50]

Aquahallic:

as it where it sets up for the full screen??

[07:24:53]

Kevorkian:

xvidtune prehaps ?

[07:24:59]

Dagmar:

Full screen is full screen

[07:25:10]

Kevorkian:

or mabey a modline thing .. but thats scary

[07:25:18]

Aquahallic:

modline?

[07:25:24]

Dagmar:

Hell no

[07:25:28]

Aquahallic:

lol

[07:25:50]

Kevorkian:

her root isnt large enough ..

[07:25:55]

Dagmar:

Frankly, my money is on the old recordings not getting all the data imported that they needed

[07:25:55]

Kevorkian:

window that is

[07:26:33]

Dagmar:

Way to go on the manual misconfiguration then

[07:26:46]

Kevorkian:

Can you have more then one back end .. and the recording list , listing all the recordings from all the back ends ?

[07:26:52]

Dagmar:

Yes

[07:27:07]

Kevorkian:

then yea .. the recording would store the IP/hostname of the server

[07:27:21]

Kevorkian:

or at least have that info asscoiated with it some how

[07:27:45]

tjcarter:

Nope, that didn't fix it

[07:27:59]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: yep

[07:28:25]

tjcarter:

is there a way to undo the import and fix the data manually?

[07:28:25]

Kevorkian:

if new ones work .. and old ones dont .. then you missed something during the import of the old.

[07:28:31]

tjcarter:

or modify it in place easily?

[07:28:34]

Kevorkian:

Of course there is ..

[07:28:36]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: i'd say go back through your backup file and look for what field looks like the info about which backend is storing a file, and then import that as well

[07:28:42]

tjcarter:

don't know what to modify =)

[07:28:43]

Kevorkian:

do you speak sql ?

[07:28:57]

tjcarter:

only a little

[07:29:05]

zambaroo:

oh man, still brokeeeeeeen!

[07:29:09]

Kevorkian:

do you have a dump of the old db ??

[07:29:13]

Dagmar:

Open the database backup in vim and use your brain

[07:29:15]

Kevorkian:

al la mysqldump ??

[07:29:19]

tjcarter:

I do

[07:29:24]

Dagmar:

If he doesn't, all bets are off

[07:29:52]

Dagmar:

What mysqldump spits out is easy to read

[07:30:21]

Kevorkian:

well .. tjcarter you dont sound like an idjit .. look at the old dump for an entry .. and I would even take a dump of the new and compair entrys ..

[07:30:38]

Kevorkian:

looking for hostname .. or IP or something like that asscoiated with the old recording..

[07:30:53]

Dagmar:

I woulnd't bother comparing, but if you just dig down through there and look for a fieldname that seems to store the backend name in it...

[07:31:22]

Kevorkian:

but then again .. the schema might be very complex and not be really readable.

[07:31:29]

Dagmar:

...then it's just a matter of running `grep "INSERT INTO $(NEW FIELD HERE)" backup.sql` etc etc

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Anduin:

The field if very cryptic

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Kevorkian:

ummm .. zambaroo .. just to comfirm .. pluging that same cable wire into a real tv works ?

[07:32:42]

zambaroo:

ahaha yeah dude

[07:32:47]

Kevorkian:

just making sure ..

[07:32:56]

Kevorkian:

ya never know .. bag connectors and stuff

[07:32:57]

zambaroo:

i can kind of understand your sentiment though :)

[07:32:59]

Kevorkian:

bad*

[07:33:25]

Kevorkian:

and its ALL chans ??

[07:33:34]

zambaroo:

yeah the mess changes when i change the channel. only the top third of the mess though.

[07:33:40]

zambaroo:

im not sure what the hell it's doing.

[07:33:50]

Kevorkian:

hmmm .. even brodcast chans ?

[07:34:23]

zambaroo:

what are bc chans?

[07:34:53]

Kevorkian:

in myth-tv setup .. there is a thing .. forget what its called .. it has like cable .. cable-hrc .. and stuff like that .. just to check .. try setting that to brodcast or normal .. or something like that

[07:35:08]

zambaroo:

oh i know what you're talking about.

[07:35:10]

Kevorkian:

hmmm .. ummm .. zambaroo .. where are you ?

[07:35:11]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: that's what I'm looking for

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zambaroo:

Kevorkian, US

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zambaroo:

it's set tp US-cable now

[07:35:26]

Kevorkian:

Ok .. so .. 2–13

[07:36:10]

tjcarter:

not looking promising

[07:36:19]

tjcarter:

I'm running out of things to search for

[07:36:21]

Anduin:

tjcarter: if you mean the recorded table, it is 'hostname'

[07:36:38]

Kevorkian:

Anduin, you understand the schema ?

[07:37:04]

Anduin:

Kevorkian: assuming we are talking about MythTV, yes, chunks of it.

[07:37:18]

Kevorkian:

Just wondering if its been "normalized"

[07:37:28]

Kevorkian:

and how crazy the relations are

[07:37:53]

Kevorkian:

ive never looked at the db

[07:39:50]

tjcarter:

okay, I just don't know the bit of MYSQL syntax to change this now..

[07:40:13]

Anduin:

tjcarter: update recorded set hostname = 'mynewhostname'

[07:41:09]

tjcarter:

interestingly, in some places the hostname is capitalized

[07:41:13]

tjcarter:

in recorded table

[07:41:17]

tjcarter:

that's odd

[07:41:40]

tjcarter:

ah, no, that wasn't recorded table

[07:42:08]

zambaroo:

hah i managed to take a pic with my webcam!

[07:42:29]

Kevorkian:

OH NOES!

[07:42:39]

Tanthrix:

Linux can make the baby jesus cry.

[07:43:28]

zambaroo:

Tanthrix, i think it's a kernel function.

[07:43:50]

tjcarter:

Anduin: that did it, thanks

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Kevorkian:

and now we do the dance of joy

[07:44:25]

Tanthrix:

zambaroo: No kidding.

[07:44:34]

Kevorkian:

hey tjcarter do captions work on your osx fe ?

[07:44:50]

tjcarter:

Kevorkian: no idea

[07:45:02]

tjcarter:

Kevorkian: aspect changes don't =D

[07:45:23]

tjcarter:

KM's FE doesn't have an aspect control under setup, interesting.

[07:45:38]

Kevorkian:

Just wondering .. I have a knoppmyth box .. BE and FE .. captions work on the FE .. btut when I connect to it with a osx fe they dont ..

[07:45:55]

tjcarter:

The Mac OS X FE has issues

[07:46:16]

zambaroo:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3702/79360178ez8.png

[07:46:24]

Kevorkian:

I was just wondering if it was me .. or if it was a real bug

[07:47:08]

Kevorkian:

zambaroo, .. is that part of the chan thats comming in ?

[07:47:26]

zambaroo:

when i change chans, only the top third kind of changes. that big square in the middle left keeps cycling some weird picture.

[07:47:37]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, thats livetv

[07:47:48]

Kevorkian:

but it looks kinda clear like tho .. right

[07:48:16]

Dagmar:

You have a lamegrabber card, don't you

[07:48:37]

Kevorkian:

I would try deleting the configs for the card and connections and stuff in -setup and rebuilding them

[07:49:23]

tjcarter:

KM defaults to the UGLIEST OSD..

[07:49:31]

zambaroo:

Dagmar, pvr150

[07:49:32]

tjcarter:

I think that might be a Myth thing =D

[07:50:07]

tjcarter:

Dagmar: he previously had an ATI but took it back =D

[07:50:32]

tjcarter:

we strongly advised him to consider at least a 150 or better yet, a 250

[07:50:44]

** tjcarter stressed the value of the 250 **

[07:50:48]

Dagmar:

What?

[07:51:04]

Dagmar:

Dude, the 250 is _obsolete_

[07:51:07]

kormoc:

tjcarter, wow... just wow

[07:51:11]

Dagmar:

It was _replaced_ by the 150.

[07:51:11]

tjcarter:

Yeah, but it works

[07:51:21]

kormoc:

tjcarter, it's not better then the 150 tho

[07:51:32]

Dagmar:

It is not an "upgrade" to buy a 250. It's a _downgrade_

[07:51:34]

kormoc:

tjcarter, the 150 is cheaper, and has a better tuner

[07:51:39]

tjcarter:

wait

[07:51:48]

** Kevorkian has a 2 year old 250 **

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gbee:

zambaroo: have you set the card up as an "Mpeg encoder" in mythtv-setup?

[07:51:55]

tjcarter:

since WHEN is the 150's Samsung tuner better than the Philips tuner in a 250?

[07:52:03]

tjcarter:

And on what planet?

[07:52:07]

zambaroo:

gbee, yessier

[07:52:08]

Dagmar:

tjcarter: Since Hauppage quit making the 250..

[07:52:09]

Dagmar:

Hint hint

[07:52:17]

kormoc:

tjcarter, quality wise, it is, least ones I've seen side by side

[07:52:31]

zambaroo:

gbee, that was my first mistake, ive corrected it :) now this.

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** Kevorkian can throw a rock at the happauage main office if he wanted to **

[07:52:35]

kormoc:

less noise

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Dagmar:

zambaroo: Time to drop back and punt with ivtv troubleshooting steps

[07:53:04]

zambaroo:

mebbe ivtv and ati dont play well together?

[07:53:16]

tjcarter:

he did have mplayer workinng on /dev/video0 earlier

[07:53:19]

Kevorkian:

ati dont play well with linux .. period

[07:53:28]

Dagmar:

More likely the firmware has been buggered, or your MythTV build is really severely broken

[07:53:41]

Kevorkian:

ati even list mythtv as a "unsupported" option on there website

[07:53:50]

zambaroo:

dicks

[07:54:01]

Kevorkian:

zambaroo, .. is this my any chance a knoppmyth install ?

[07:54:11]

zambaroo:

Kevorkian, no. this is feisty

[07:54:14]

kormoc:

tjcarter, yes

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Dagmar:

Kevorkian: that's a bit wack. I've seen that page and would like to know exactly when those software packages became ATI "features" to be not supported

[07:54:50]

gbee:

zambaroo: hmm, is that the tuner input or svid/composite? have you changed the capture resolution in recording profiles? not that I think any of these things are relevant as that photo shows something I've never seen before but it's worth checking everything

[07:54:57]

kormoc:

Dagmar, ATI has decided they no longer (officially) support XV

[07:55:22]

zambaroo:

gbee, input is set to tuner 1, i tried changing resolutions to 720*480

[07:56:30]

zambaroo:

they want to have someone on board for the time when they'll want a gpu on the cpu.

[07:56:43]

tjcarter:

Too bad. AMD has been really good to the community overall.

[07:56:44]

Kevorkian:

my understanding was that the buy out wasnt a merger at all .. just a paperwork thing

[07:57:13]

Dagmar:

zambaroo: I would go back and do the troubleshooting steps from the ivtv site to verify that something hasn't broken since you did the install

[07:57:27]

zambaroo:

ooooh look what i found in the console! [mpeg @ 0xb736cec0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210 !

[07:57:28]

gbee:

zambaroo: are you able to try the svid/composite inputs to check that there isn't a problem with the encoder? Or to rule in a tuning issue? Does the sound work?

[07:57:42]

zambaroo:

gbee, the sound works great

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Dagmar:

zambaroo: That's lookin' like a clue

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** kormoc blinks **

[07:58:01]

zambaroo:

Dagmar, yah?

[07:58:23]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, I gotta say, you astound me with your ramblings at times...

[07:58:24]

Kevorkian:

try the svid thing .. that will tell if its the encoder

[07:58:25]

zambaroo:

Dagmar, something i am missing on the system?

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Dagmar:

I dunno.

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zambaroo:

Kevorkian, k

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Dagmar:

This is why I keep saying "go back and do the troubleshooting steps on the ivtv site"

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** Kevorkian looks at kormoc well it is 4 am . . **

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMX

[07:59:23]

Kevorkian:

well .. if it works with the svid input .. then the issue has to be in the tuner subsystems

[07:59:29]

tjcarter:

zambaroo: I've seen that error tonight.

[07:59:38]

tjcarter:

zambaroo: it didn't prevent things from working either

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kormoc:

you might want to read up on what MMX is and where is already is before saying things like that

[07:59:44]

gbee:

zambaroo: I wouldn't be so sure, if we didn't find the video codec we wouldn't display anything at all – missing codecs for substreams are common although more often in DVB streams, I'm not sure if I've ever seen it with the PVR-150

[07:59:45]

Kevorkian:

I wansts sayign mmx is amd .. im saying .. LIKE mmx

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zambaroo:

tjcarter, oh i see

[08:00:11]

tjcarter:

that's not saying it isn't a clue

[08:00:22]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, MMX is *already* in all current cpus and isn't used very much gpu side

[08:00:42]

Kevorkian:

yea kormoc .. mmx is a set of instructions to handle a specfic case ..

[08:00:53]

tjcarter:

AMD owns 3DWhenever

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Kevorkian:

it would be the same "concept" to put gpu instructions into the set.

[08:01:50]

kormoc:

that's not quite what you said

[08:01:57]

zambaroo:

ha. changed to svideo – still same thing.

[08:02:02]

Kevorkian:

ok .. perhaps if I changed that to .. like how mmx was done

[08:02:03]

zambaroo:

how does that make any sense

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kormoc:

and besides, having more gpu stuff on the cpu would slow down the graphics, see software rendering

[08:02:17]

tjcarter:

Vector instructions are already there. A few more shortcuts are not unlikely

[08:02:47]

Kevorkian:

perhaps NOW it would kormoc .. that was a forward looking statment

[08:02:49]

kormoc:

tjcarter, when you have a cpu that is specifically designed to do vector math fast, why shove it on a slower general purpose device?

[08:02:59]

gbee:

zambaroo: have you tried the card outside mythtv?

[08:03:09]

mzb:

who of you will remember this cpu vs gpu vs instruction argument in 10 years time? :)

[08:03:24]

zambaroo:

gbee, yes, mplayer /dev/video0 plays the stream OK

[08:03:25]

** Kevorkian will **

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Dagmar:

The interweb overmind will remember.

[08:03:35]

tjcarter:

kormoc: because the vectors are done for more than just drawing a framebuffer all nice and pretty =D

[08:03:37]

kormoc:

mzb, the channel bot

[08:03:39]

mzb:

:)

[08:03:49]

Kevorkian:

is all good ..

[08:04:01]

mzb:

good *bot :)

[08:04:07]

tjcarter:

kormoc: OpenAL has to do the same sort of calculations, as do many physics implementations

[08:04:22]

Kevorkian:

Im pretty sure it was simply a case of me not expressing myself properly.

[08:04:35]

gbee:

zambaroo: ok, that's good – means that it's most likely a mythtv config issue rather than a broken card

[08:04:37]

Kevorkian:

I can see how he could have read my statment that way.

[08:04:46]

kormoc:

tjcarter, I'm not saying it's a bad idea to add vector extentions to cpus, I'm just saying it's stupid to move gpu functions to the cpu and still keep the gpu

[08:04:51]

gbee:

zambaroo: what ivtv version are you using?

[08:05:01]

mzb:

I say this because in the last 30yrs I've read & watched some pretty amzing/funny/silly arguments about what will/won't happen

[08:05:28]

tjcarter:

kormoc: texture compression

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Kevorkian:

640k ought to be enough for anyone

[08:06:12]

mzb:

and unless you have a decade++ career with a chip manufacturer, you probably have no idea what will happen in the future, regardless of your (current) experience

[08:06:14]

tjcarter:

kormoc: GPU can do it, and has specialized instructions for doing it quickly, but you have to send the bits over the PCI bus (AGP/PCIE) before it can.

[08:06:22]

zambaroo:

gbee, version 0.10.1

[08:06:26]

tjcarter:

kormoc: Doing that in CPU can reduce bus bandwidth

[08:07:03]

kormoc:

tjcarter, actually not, you need to *decompress* it to display it, and if you decompress it to send it, you're *increasing* bus bandwidth

[08:07:20]

kormoc:

tjcarter, compression is a cpu task, decompression is a gpu task

[08:07:21]

Kevorkian:

if the cpu can do it as fast as the gpu + buss delay , then its worth it

[08:07:27]

gbee:

zambaroo: hmm, do the recordings made by mythtv display correctly in mplayer?

[08:07:35]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, that's the point, they *can't*

[08:07:37]

tjcarter:

you increase GPU overhead, but not PCIE bandwidth

[08:07:41]

Kevorkian:

kormoc, NOW

[08:07:48]

tjcarter:

card takes it already compressed

[08:07:51]

** Kevorkian points at mr morre **

[08:07:51]

zambaroo:

gbee, interesting question, let me make one real quick.

[08:08:08]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, and likely never, due to the simple nature that a chip designed to do it can always be faster and cheaper then one designed to do everything

[08:08:20]

tjcarter:

you just have to do the compression slowly on the host currently

[08:08:25]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, gpu's also increase ala mr morre

[08:08:26]

mzb:

gbee: iirc there is an mplayer method for playing mythtv recordings

[08:08:45]

kormoc:

tjcarter, yeah, so?

[08:08:48]

Kevorkian:

ok .. ya gpu increase per morre .. point taken

[08:09:04]

tjcarter:

two reasons to compress: save texram or save bus bandwidth. The solution to the former is more video memory.

[08:09:27]

gbee:

mzb: pvr-150 recordings are just plain mpeg2, they should play in any media player

[08:09:29]

kormoc:

tjcarter, like I said, I don't think that adding instructions to the cpu is a bad idea, just that stuff the gpu does better then a cpu does would be stupid to move to the cpu

[08:09:44]

Kevorkian:

I was just saying that I dont see intergrating a gpu persay into the die is how I THINK it will go.

[08:09:45]

tjcarter:

agreed on that.

[08:10:48]

Kevorkian:

I see them adding gpu functions to the cpu , ala the way that mmx instructions were added.

[08:10:57]

zambaroo:

gbee, no

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[08:11:03]

zambaroo:

it records that mess

[08:11:09]

mzb:

so you can't see a day where a computer is a chip with plugs on it? :)

[08:11:19]

zambaroo:

SwScaler: using unscaled yuv420p -> rgb32 special converter

[08:11:26]

Kevorkian:

I do mzb ..

[08:11:27]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, that's the thing, *why* would you do that? MMX is very handy for matrix caluclations and the like, when you get into gpu specific stuff, why bother moving it over?

[08:11:45]

Kevorkian:

just not with a gpu itself on the die.

[08:11:52]

kormoc:

so why bother?

[08:11:56]

Kevorkian:

cheap

[08:12:01]

kormoc:

it's not tho

[08:12:09]

zambaroo:

minituarization

[08:12:12]

Kevorkian:

its a line of microcode

[08:12:14]

tjcarter:

kormoc: compression is an example of duplication, not moving ot pver

[08:12:30]

Dagmar:

Better yet, there's a crapton of poly info that doesn't have to go across the video bus because all the work is done on the card

[08:12:33]

tjcarter:

anuesu. I need sleep.

[08:12:35]

gbee:

zambaroo: right, hmm – has to be a config issue (unless anyone knows whether there is an issue with 0.10.1?)

[08:12:48]

Dagmar:

Screw it. Try 10.2

[08:12:59]

kormoc:

tjcarter, not really, gpus don't do compression, they do decompression, slightly different

[08:13:00]

zambaroo:

gbee, is there a quick way to blow away the config

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Kevorkian:

rm -rf *

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kormoc:

zambaroo, actually adding duplicate extentions to the cpu die would actually make the die larger and more costly and more complicated

[08:13:47]

gbee:

zambaroo: well to delete _everything_ you could just delete the database and start again- you may not want to do that

[08:13:51]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, it's not just a line of microcode, you need the hardware designed to handle it

[08:14:14]

zambaroo:

sigh

[08:14:19]

zambaroo:

ok

[08:14:22]

Kevorkian:

less hardware then would be required to put a gpu on the die

[08:14:26]

gbee:

zambaroo: you could just delete the capture card in mythtv-setup (D) and try to revert any changes you might have made to the recording profiles

[08:14:30]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, that's not true at all...

[08:14:39]

gbee:

zambaroo: I'd try that first

[08:14:40]

Kevorkian:

huh ??

[08:14:44]

zambaroo:

k

[08:14:47]

zambaroo:

thank you, gbee

[08:14:58]

Kevorkian:

you would have to add a bus .. controler .. all that

[08:15:12]

Kevorkian:

to put it a gpu on the die

[08:15:20]

gbee:

zambaroo: for what it's worth, I've never seen the problem you are having before – so you've just been unlikely I think

[08:15:32]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, the gpu doesn't go on a die anyway, it gets intigrated into a bridge...

[08:15:50]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, currently *no one* has a gpu on a cpu die and that likely won't change anytime soon

[08:16:05]

gbee:

does anyone know whether there are problems with ivtv 0.10.1 and 0.20?

[08:16:10]

zambaroo:

how do i get rid of a recording profile?

[08:16:23]

mzb:

Kevorkian: yes, I see

[08:16:30]

Kevorkian:

and my comment was that I dont see them ever putting the gpu ON the die

[08:16:42]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, and I agree with that

[08:17:01]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, my point is adding in gpu specific extentions to the cpu would be pointless with a gpu in the system

[08:17:03]

zambaroo:

i think they will, and the point is to go mobile, cellphone style.

[08:17:11]

Kevorkian:

and that the most I could see them doing is adding extenstions .. like mxx was done

[08:17:25]

Kevorkian:

well .. if they have the functions in the cpu .. why have a gpu

[08:17:40]

kormoc:

zambaroo, even with cellphones they have a dedicated display chip :P

[08:17:51]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, speed

[08:17:58]

zambaroo:

that depends on the platform

[08:18:04]

gbee:

zambaroo: you can't delete the default profiles – custom profiles can be deleted by pressing D

[08:18:05]

Kevorkian:

there was a time .. not to long ago .. when there was a math co-processer in systems

[08:18:29]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, that's a bit different

[08:18:43]

kormoc:

mzb, I owned a amd 486 :P

[08:18:44]

Kevorkian:

same .. broad concept tho.

[08:19:05]

Kevorkian:

I had a 386–40 .. fastest 386 made .. AMD

[08:19:18]

Dagmar:

Umm...

[08:19:19]

mzb:

kormoc: I've got a fleet ;) (somewhere!:)

[08:19:20]

Dagmar:

No.

[08:19:25]

zambaroo:

used to own a k2-II

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Kevorkian:

and gpu functions wouldnt benifit from that also ?

[08:19:57]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, not typically

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, typically all the calculations and all that jazz are done entirely gpu side

[08:20:18]

Dagmar:

This is like saying "fastest tricycle"

[08:20:27]

Kevorkian:

im just saying that its more likely that they would add gpu type instructions and ditch the gpu , then add a real gpu and stuff to the die

[08:20:31]

zambaroo:

http://pastebin.ca/513449

[08:20:35]

zambaroo:

thats console output

[08:20:39]

kormoc:

unlike the cpu + math coproc where they had to work together quite tightly

[08:20:39]

Dagmar:

While I'm a fan of AMD, the only reason they had the "fastest" 386 was that Intel quit making 386's by then

[08:20:55]

zambaroo:

please someone peek at it before i apt-get remove --auto-remove mythtv

[08:21:19]

mzb:

Dagmar: true, they were more "aftermarket"

[08:21:35]

Dagmar:

zambaroo: One last time. .. "[mpeg @ 0xb72deec0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210 !" is symptomatic of a problem with ivtv.

[08:21:46]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, it's still stupid to do. Why don't you run some 3d stuff via mesa for a bit and see how well your super fast cpu handles things compared to a 500 mhz gpu

[08:21:51]

gbee:

VideoOutputXv: Falling back to X shared memory video output !!!

[08:21:51]

zambaroo:

Dagmar, okok, im getting the new version then

[08:22:05]

zambaroo:

yeah?

[08:22:11]

Dagmar:

The other stuff there may cause problems, but it won't result in scrambled video

[08:22:31]

kormoc:

mzb, the 586 *was* the pentium, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_1

[08:22:43]

Kevorkian:

size ?? heat ?? power ?? I dunno .. I just think thats more likely then adding a gpu itself to the die

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Dagmar:

kormoc: I suspect he means 5x86

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mzb:

kormoc: the amd and cyrix 586s were not pentium

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Kevorkian:

I never said I thought it was a GOOD idea .. just more likely then adding one to the die

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gbee:

zambaroo: as dagmar said, the stuff there isn't causing your current problem – but at some point you'll need to fix the XV problem

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, who said anything at all about adding a gpu to the die? only you as far as I can tell...

[08:23:31]

Dagmar:

Cyrix was shit.

[08:23:41]

Dagmar:

Like, across the board, their equipment sucked large.

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Kevorkian:

<zambaroo> they want to have someone on board for the time when they'll want a gpu on the cpu.

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kormoc:

mzb, the only reason the i586 was called Pentium was cause of a trademark suit, if you read the link I gave you

[08:24:15]

mzb:

cyrix chips were ok ... just heat sensitive and poor fpu

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, so why are you arguing with me when I say they'll never do that?

[08:24:38]

Kevorkian:

I wasnt ..

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Dagmar:

...and celebrating the fact that their chip was 12% faster.

[08:24:59]

Kevorkian:

you made the comment about my ramblings

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Dagmar:

Do the math on *that* one

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Kevorkian:

and then we went in circles

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Dagmar:

mzb: AMD's was marketed as 5x86

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zambaroo:

brb

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** Kevorkian offers to buy kormoc a beer. **

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mzb:

they were 486 ... socket 3 (?) .... pentium 60 and 66 was socket 4

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kormoc:

mzb, as Dagmar said, AMD was 5x86, as was the cyrix

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mzb:

mrketing

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kormoc:

"In 1995, with its Pentium clone not yet ready to ship, Cyrix repeated its own history and released the Cx5x86"

[08:26:55]

Kevorkian:

486 .. back when a chip cooler was optional

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mzb:

s/mrketing/marketing

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_Cx5x86

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Dagmar:

Oh Cyrix felt the chip cooler was optional on some of their 5x86's

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mzb:

heh

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Dagmar:

...if you just ignored the fact that they'd die within three months from that

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mzb:

note the difference in terminology: 5x86 vs 486

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Kevorkian:

iirc the 5x was just a 486 on steriods

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kormoc:

mzb, yeah, the 5x86 is different then 586

[08:30:12]

Sid`:

instead of the pentium bus

[08:30:23]

Dagmar:

...and just incredibly shitty

[08:30:25]

Sid`:

they were totally different CPUs

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Dagmar:

If you ever ran any benchmarks against a Cyrix chip, it would *lose* against AMD

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mzb:

I recall having an amd133 which was as fast as a p75 (iirc) ... pretty good for it's time

[08:31:16]

Dagmar:

...particularly with FP math. Fractint ran MUCH slower on the Cyrix 5x86–100 than the AMD 5x86–100

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Sid`:

that's weird

[08:31:27]

Sid`:

i never owned one

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Kevorkian:

I loved it back then .. amd would keep intel honest .. and cyrx was there to feed of teh scraps

[08:31:43]

mzb:

heh :)

[08:32:03]

Dagmar:

...and to sell snake-oil

[08:32:21]

Kevorkian:

what ever happned to cyrix ?

[08:32:26]

mzb:

although I did like the 6x86 Cyrix HF series (GF was really hard to keep cool)

[08:32:36]

mzb:

bought by national, I think

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, Nat Semi bought them

[08:32:44]

Dagmar:

I wanna go edit that WP page now to say that the Cyrix chip underperformed AMD regularly, but some asshat would want me to actually power up my old shit to prove it

[08:32:57]

Sid`:

which eventually begat the Via C3

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Dagmar:

Cyrix was basically eaten for their chip fab plants

[08:33:05]

Sid`:

the C stands for "Cyrix"

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** Kevorkian puts on his asshat hat **

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** Kevorkian hands Dagmar a freedos floppy **

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Dagmar:

Kevorkian: I was building about 10–15 machines per day from when the 486dx-33 came out, to about when we hit 300Mhz CPU speeds

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mzb:

*mzb takes off all his hats and goes for a beer

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Dagmar:

I am WAY familiar with how those chip lines compared

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Kevorkian:

yea .. ( now .. im just being a bitch ) .. but that doesnt PROVE anything

[08:36:27]

Kevorkian:

which was it that was the slower one .. dx .. or sx ?

[08:36:35]

Dagmar:

They ran the same speed.

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hads:

sx

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Kevorkian:

didnt sx denote no co processer or soemthing

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Dagmar:

One had a built in math coprocessor, the other one didn't.

[08:37:07]

mzb:

vs dx

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Kevorkian:

the sx was the one without .. right

[08:37:08]

Kevorkian:

?

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Dagmar:

cyrix 5x86 chips apparently had african bushmen making their math coprocessors out of wood

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mzb:

heh

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Dagmar:

Yes, SX meant "NO MATH FOR YOU!"

[08:37:37]

kormoc:

Dagmar, *that* would be a great wikipedia addition

[08:37:48]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Elonka would kill me. Heh

[08:38:10]

Kevorkian:

isnt it .au with bushmen ?

[08:38:13]

mzb:

dx was with copro ... the sx had the copro built, but didn't pass testing so "fusable link" removed

[08:38:42]

Dagmar:

Eventually she's going to get editor status, and I don't think she'll be too keen to have me voting for her in the elections with a bunch of spurios additions to WP in my log

[08:38:53]

Dagmar:

s/spurios/spurious/;

[08:39:04]

kormoc:

heh

[08:39:14]

Dagmar:

If I still knew where my copy of that press release sheet was, I'd scan it in and upload it to WP in a heartbeat tho

[08:39:32]

Kevorkian:

Oh yea .. I remember .. the old build them all the same and sell em diffrent based on test results ..

[08:39:40]

Dagmar:

I mean, it was SAD. They really were proud of the fact that their 100Mhz CPU outperformed an 80Mhz CPU by 12%

[08:40:05]

mzb:

(and was half the price)

[08:40:07]

Kevorkian:

was that messured as a markup or as a discount ?

[08:40:28]

Dagmar:

I think it was measured in cc's of haloperitol, personally

[08:40:39]

Kevorkian:

heheh

[08:41:04]

Kevorkian:

just saying .. I dont remember the math for it .. but there are diffrent ways of messuring them numbers

[08:41:21]

Kevorkian:

80 vs 100 .. that is

[08:41:30]

Kevorkian:

one way is 20% .. and the other would be .. lower

[08:41:36]

Dagmar:

Well, typically a 100Mhz CPU will be 25% faster than an 80Mhz CPU

[08:42:36]

Kevorkian:

so the 100 should be 25% faster .. but the 80 is only 20% slower ?

[08:42:40]

mzb:

heh ... until multiple chipmakers appeared :)

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Dagmar:

Given instructions took a nearly identical number of clockcycles to execute on any of the three manuf's CPUs

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, yes

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Dagmar:

...there was no SIMD or branch-prediction going on with those

[08:43:19]

Kevorkian:

ok .I knew there was different ways of computing that number ..

[08:43:23]

Dagmar:

Kevorkian: Isn't simple math fun!

[08:43:34]

Kevorkian:

simple math is what gets me ..

[08:43:41]

Dagmar:

I just use a calculator

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Kevorkian:

1+1 = 3 .. for large vaules of 1 that is

[08:44:16]

Kevorkian:

I had that problem recently even.

[08:44:49]

Kevorkian:

we would display a vaule .. but after a round .. but then do the math on the stored vaule ..

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Dagmar:

...and then a bong hit, and another round of math?

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Kevorkian:

1.4 + 1.4 = 2.8

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gbee:

:)

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Kevorkian:

but displayed as 1+1=3

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Kevorkian:

I wish .. I bet I would have found it right away if I was stoned

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kormoc:

Dagmar, bong... crack pipe...

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Dagmar:

Plastic baggie full of head cleaner

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Kevorkian:

is it fixed yet ?

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zambaroo:

it's fixed, Dagmar was right – updated the driver, everything is peachy keen.

[08:48:05]

Dagmar:

heh

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Kevorkian:

anyone know how captions are stored in recorded programs ?

[08:48:23]

kormoc:

zambaroo, don't talk like that, you're gonna inflate his ego to epic levels!

[08:48:26]

Kevorkian:

Dagmar, is ALWAYS right.

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Dagmar:

enh... values asymptotically approaching 100% anyway

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Kevorkian:

inflate ?? epic ?? its not allready ?

[08:48:53]

zambaroo:

hahaha

[08:48:56]

zambaroo:

you people :P

[08:49:12]

zambaroo:

ok im off to bed. thanks everyone.

[08:49:22]

Dagmar:

I've said that at 'cons a *bunch*, too.

[08:49:37]

Dagmar:

"You're forgetting rule #1. Dagmar is _always_ right."

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** zambaroo walks around Dagmar's ego, past Kevorkian's 'I told you so sign' and parts the channel **

[08:49:52]

Dagmar:

...wrt hardware troubleshooting

[08:50:06]

Kevorkian:

anyway .. back to captions .. anyone know how they are stored in recorded proggies ?

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Dagmar:

As binary info. ;)

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Kevorkian:

anyone know any useful info on how they are stored ?

[08:50:40]

Kevorkian:

:-D

[08:51:17]

Kevorkian:

they work on the FE that runs on the BE server .. but this osx FE I connected to it .. they dun work.

[08:51:18]

kormoc:

standard VBI stream I believe

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Kevorkian:

I was under the impression the vbi data was riped when its encoded

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Dagmar:

I thought it was an independent stream within mpeg, but there's definitely no reason it can't be left in as VBI

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kormoc:

welp, I'm off

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Kevorkian:

any ideas on where I should go for more info ?

[08:53:12]

Kevorkian:

oh that I understand allready

[08:53:22]

Kevorkian:

im talking myth info

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MaverickTech:

:D

[08:56:40]

MaverickTech:

I have finally had a win transcoding DVB without audio sync issues

[08:56:54]

MaverickTech:

...for playing outside of MythTv

[08:57:23]

MaverickTech:

I was messing with ProjectX, but still ended up with problems – particularly with .nuv files

[08:57:52]

Dagmar:

NippleVideo is a kludge

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MaverickTech:

in the end, I found that >>> nuvexport --transcode <<< using DVD as an output format, deplexes, replexes, and general cleans up the audio sync

[08:58:55]

MaverickTech:

I can then transcode with avidemux to the format and size of my choice

[08:59:28]

MaverickTech:

Dagmar: that as it may be – it's the format that my recording are in at the moment

[08:59:49]

MaverickTech:

format/container – I hate video semantics

[08:59:53]

Dagmar:

ouch... transcoding twice?

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MaverickTech:

Dagmar: yes I know

[09:00:11]

MaverickTech:

but it works

[09:00:56]

MaverickTech:

since I am t/c'ing for ipod or smaller form factor anyway, I have noticed no significant loss of quality

[09:01:05]

MaverickTech:

just takes a long time ;)

[09:01:17]

MaverickTech:

I will continue to look for alternatives

[09:02:25]

MaverickTech:

Dagmar: I have had a persistent problem with audio sync when trying to export off my Myth box, and I transcode soon after recording for onboard storage reasons

[09:05:19]

Tanthrix:

What was the command to tail a log in real time?

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[09:06:03]

Dagmar:

ahem... man tail

[09:06:06]

Dagmar:

...but tail -f

[09:06:20]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I just checked the man page but somehow I glossed over that

[09:06:21]

Tanthrix:

thanks

[09:06:34]

Dagmar:

Well, it's in the next to last paragraph

[09:06:43]

Dagmar:

For whatever reason, they chose not to list --follow with the other options.

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Dagmar:

(morons)

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Dagmar:

I am not a fan of sloppy manpages

[09:07:29]

Tanthrix:

I'd say calling it "follow" is a bad choice too. Why not "realtime" or "live" ?

[09:07:43]

Dagmar:

Because it's neither of those, actually

[09:08:01]

Dagmar:

Using those terms would start a pedantry-fest I suspect

[09:08:12]

Dagmar:

It does polling on a 1s interval

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MaverickTech:

--continuous

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Tanthrix:

I guess they're all a bit vague when you get down to it

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** MaverickTech dons flame-retardent underwear, and adopts a deployment position **

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Dagmar:

heh

[09:09:09]

Tanthrix:

Better -f then "--update-file-continuously-in-every-1s" ;)

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** Tanthrix waits patiently for his eth go mysteriously die again **

[09:10:07]

MaverickTech:

Dagmar: on the transcode issue – my maths says the files end up transcoded 3 times if you count the original Myth transcode as well :o

[09:10:28]

Dagmar:

*shudder*

[09:10:40]

MaverickTech:

:p

[09:10:45]

Tanthrix:

As much as I am horrendously annoyed by all the people that come in here and go "Wah! Linux sucks, I'm going back to windows!" after not getting X to work, I'm sort of in a state of mind where I can understand that where they're coming from

[09:10:58]

Tanthrix:

(Where X is anything, not X11)

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Dagmar:

I actually record nearly everything in 720x480 just to avoid image degradation

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Dagmar:

I couldn't stand transcoding three times

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MaverickTech:

dagmar it sync issues in DVB that are killing me, unless I misunderstand

[09:11:48]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: You will soon come to see why so many of us respond to that with a smile and a wave farewell

[09:12:05]

Dagmar:

MaverickTech: Well, it's probably a playback issue

[09:12:20]

MaverickTech:

playback in Myth is perect

[09:12:23]

MaverickTech:

*perfect

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I already do. I've spent enough time in here helping people to reach that point. (I remember the guy who thought Myth gave him free TV, and was confused why he wasn't getting anything without any kind of capture card fondly in that regard)

[09:13:04]

MaverickTech:

as soon as I ship it off box (like VLC playboack under windows) there is up to multisecond sync problems in the audio

[09:13:30]

MaverickTech:

http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/index.php?tit . . . DVB_or_IVTV)

[09:14:22]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Just gobs of time this weekend trying to get my new system working. Been having mysterious timer issues, and now ethernet problems. (http://novae-res.org/ethprob.txt for the fun)

[09:14:54]

Dagmar:

euw

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Tanthrix:

In addition to my inability to get my QAM tuner scanned channels to correspond with a zap2it line up which is entirely due to my lack of understanding which has taken quite a bit of my time already

[09:15:58]

Tanthrix:

But the network going out at random times (often many, many hours after starting the system, so it's not an easy thing to test fixes on) is what's making my frustration rise exponentially

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Dagmar:

I think there's a wee bit of bullshit on that page

[09:16:18]

MaverickTech:

?

[09:16:42]

Dagmar:

Citing all hardware based encoders as the source of the problem seems like a load of poo to me

[09:17:28]

MaverickTech:

It does qualify as PS

[09:17:47]

MaverickTech:

do the more upmarket Haupaugge cards do TS encoding ?

[09:18:07]

Dagmar:

THey all do it, afaik

[09:18:13]

MaverickTech:

ok

[09:18:14]

Dagmar:

There's not a ton of difference between the two stream types

[09:18:39]

MaverickTech:

tbh I have found a lot of FUD surrounding capture cards

[09:18:47]

Dagmar:

Seems like a lot of trouble to go to to say "Avidemux isn't smart enough to resynch from a dropped frame"

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MaverickTech:

it's hard to get a handle on the straight truth

[09:19:22]

Dagmar:

...but I've yet to see my PVR-500 produce "cooked" video, and I'm familiar with the symptoms

[09:19:56]

MaverickTech:

vlc stumbles on straight playback, admittedly on Winblows

[09:20:21]

MaverickTech:

the simple fact is, I have had trouble since day 1 with audio sync

[09:20:45]

MaverickTech:

used *only* Winfast DTV-1000T cards so far though

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Tanthrix:

I don't think that page is necessarely referring to ivtv captured stuff, but dvb in general. I know I usually get a few errors per capture of the mpeg transport streams from my cable box

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Dagmar:

"or from IVTV based cards or any other card with hardware MPEG-2 encoding (in MPEG PS format)."

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Tanthrix:

"These captured MPEGs are generally from DVB S/T (in MPEG TS format)"

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Dagmar:

MaverickTech: It's either mplayer or xine (ca't remember which) that chatters to stdout when it encounters missing data it has to work around

[09:22:02]

Tanthrix:

Probably someone just assuming what's true for DVB is true for ivtv stuff, even though it's apple to oranges in some regards

[09:22:05]

Dagmar:

"... or from IVTV based cards"

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Dagmar:

They're blaming IVTV equally, when it's not really possible for it to be the same class of problem

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gbee:

the PVR-150s probably do PS, we record the TD stream from DVB cards

[09:22:35]

gbee:

TS

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Dagmar:

A digital transmission losing frames here and there is somewhat expected

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MaverickTech:

Dagmar: well I can certainly have a play with both mplayer and xine to see what they have to say

[09:23:03]

Dagmar:

Obviously there's enough redundancy to compensate without it showing much

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gbee:

there is no point recording a TS stream from the PVR-150 – there aren't any data streams etc to be recording alongside

[09:23:14]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I rarely see the errors that the frontend reports to me

[09:23:22]

MaverickTech:

I know that xris's flv player chokes on my recordings, even when Myth doesn't

[09:23:25]

Dagmar:

...but dropped data from an IVTV card that's encoding an analog signal should _not_ be able to happen

[09:23:48]

MaverickTech:

I can see the choke in a plethora of errors from ffmpeg before it gives up and dies

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gbee:

MaverickTech: very latest ffmpeg?

[09:24:03]

MaverickTech:

build from cvs

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MaverickTech:

*built

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gbee:

MaverickTech: ahh, well I guess that some of our mpeg2 patches to ffmpeg make the difference

[09:24:41]

MaverickTech:

maybe the DTV-1000's are pumping out shite :|

[09:25:51]

Dagmar:

Could be

[09:26:02]

MaverickTech:

the fact that Prject-X exists, suggests otherwise

[09:26:09]

Dagmar:

I've seen a few hardware DVD recorders that encode pretty cooked mpeg

[09:26:28]

Dagmar:

Project-X is there to identify issues in reception of digital transmission

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Dagmar:

"Project X gives you a look behind the transmissions and tries its best to handle & repair many stream types and shows what went wrong on reception."

[09:27:43]

MaverickTech:

yep

[09:27:54]

MaverickTech:

maybe I have shite reception too

[09:28:10]

Dagmar:

Time to put a sausage wrapped in tinfoil on the antenna. ;)

[09:28:46]

MaverickTech:

would sending my kids to live on the roof with coathangers attached to coax be considered cruel ?

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Dagmar:

Not at all

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MaverickTech:

good good :)

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gardengnome:

that's why you have them

[09:29:37]

MaverickTech:

no, we had them because we didn't own a dishwasher at the time

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Dagmar:

If you can't exploit your *own* kids, then *who* can?

[09:29:48]

MaverickTech:

galley slaves :p

[09:31:03]

MaverickTech:

might have to have a tinker with dvb utils sometime and check my signal

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gbee:

oh, in that case you can probably get away with one kid and a decent wide band aerial

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MaverickTech:

excellent

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MaverickTech:

they can do it in shifts

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juski:

morning

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MaverickTech:

hey there juski

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juski:

just having a squizz in the log

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juski:

problems streaming dvb-t to flv with ffmpegeh

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gbee:

juski: use the bathroom, PLEASE!

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juski:

s'ok dvb-t recordings are TS which sometimes even ffmpeg barfs at

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MaverickTech:

was just talking about that very thing juski

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juski:

mythtranscode certainly has no qualms about chundering from time to time with some of my dvb-t recordings.

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MaverickTech:

<MaverickTech> I know that xris's flv player chokes on my recordings, even when Myth doesn't

[09:38:53]

MaverickTech:

<MaverickTech> I can see the choke in a plethora of errors from ffmpeg before it gives up and dies

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juski:

stuff like the no. of streams in the recording changing can do that

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juski:

that happens a lot too

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juski:

at some point I hope we're going to get PID filters for recording so we can opt out of subtitles & the audio description tracks if we want :)

[09:40:30]

juski:

then the number of streams will be constant, always :)

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MaverickTech:

1 thing I found though, MythVideo hardcodes to /usr/bin/ffmpeg, my active version is in /usr/local/bin, as it is compiled from cvs

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juski:

MaverickTech: a test might be to take a troublesome recording & hack it with ffmpeg -i $somefile -acodec copy -vcodec copy $outfile – then see if the problem goes away

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MaverickTech:

spent all day on audio sync issues, that test might have to wait until later in the week

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juski:

that's my cure-all line for dvb-t recordings

[09:43:26]

juski:

that reminds me I need to give minimyth 0.20–25 a try out today

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juski:

unless I get distracted rejigging ProjectGrayhem-wide

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MaverickTech:

juski do you run this as a userjob, or as and when... ?

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juski:

just as & when. you need to rebuild the seektable in the database after that operation, FYI

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MaverickTech:

ok, that's not too hard

[09:45:03]

juski:

ugh. I seem to have er.. missed a few bits on a bitmap somewhere...

[09:45:16]

juski:

didn't show up on my other monitor but did on the new one

[09:46:09]

juski:

aye, there it is in background.png

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gbee:

how many people are using the patch in 3506? Any problems?

[09:49:28]

MaverickTech:

what's 3506 ?

[09:49:45]

MaverickTech:

ah, theme cache ?

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3506

[09:50:18]

MaverickTech:

oops, wrong one

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MaverickTech:

...but no, not running it, sorry

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gbee:

maybe I should stop procrastinating and commit it

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Dagmar:

Enh, you can do it tomorrow

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juski:

why put off til tomorrow what you can do today? Procrastinate NOW :)

[09:54:21]

gbee:

Dagmar: I'm trying to clear things out of my local tree – it's getting crowded

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juski:

Dagmar: you know something.. I'm beginning to warm to the idea of using svg theme icons

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gbee:

that and I've the contradictory traits of being both impatient and procrastinating a lot – I want things done yesterday but I always put them off till tomorrow ;)

[09:55:55]

juski:

yeah well I'm one to talk about contradictions!

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juski:

no more 4:3 theme updates!!!

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juski:

ha!

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juski:

I'm a living contradiction, it seems

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MaverickTech:

gbee, I'll give the patch a look

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juski:

I think I'm gonna announce my theme updates on tv-cards.com & see what they make of them

[09:57:34]

MaverickTech:

is the patch again trunk ?

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juski:

gbee: I should turn my dustbin on & test your patch. my themes have been the cause of the memory complaints :)

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gbee:

MaverickTech: yeah, should apply against -fixes as well

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juski:

whoah it's backportable?!

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** juski beers gbee **

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Dagmar:

Gimme some time and I'll fix that

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gbee:

juski: only because that bit of the code hasn't changed any

[09:59:07]

juski:

even so

[09:59:22]

juski:

on a scale from 0 to ACE that's pretty neat

[09:59:38]

gbee:

I'll backport it to -fixes after it's been in trunk for a week or so

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juski:

aye let the guineapigs test it

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juski:

hmm the screenshots on my webpages aren't doing the updates any justice.

[10:01:23]

juski:

I need a gallery module or something

[10:01:38]

Dagmar:

Guinea pigs like http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/image . . . _central.jpg ?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Peru_Guinea_Pig.jpg

[10:02:21]

juski:

is it just me or does that animal look too much like Bill Gates for its own good?

[10:02:28]

Dagmar:

heh

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juski:

gbee: patched, running ./configure now

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MaverickTech:

gbee: what are you using to show process memory ?

[10:09:12]

gbee:

MaverickTech: just top

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MaverickTech:

ok

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MaverickTech:

bah! mav.daughter currently watching myth

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MaverickTech:

test on standby :|

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gbee:

juski: couple of watermarks missing in blootube-wide with svn, nothing too important but just so you know

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juski:

such as?

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juski:

hmm just though of an improvement that might be easy to make.. a 'blank' watermark incase a theme creator has missed one or 2 :)

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juski:

meaning if they've missed a buttondef or 2

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stuarta:

morning all

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juski:

morning stuarta

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stuarta:

feeling themetastic today are we?

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juski:

er.. wasn't planning on doing any theming

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juski:

just looking at my new stat thing. peeps actually read the front page so it seems

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stuarta:

it was a roundabout way of asking how the themes went yesterday

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juski:

I'm very chuffed

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/new/

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juski:

projectgrayhem – the 4:3 theme

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** stuarta downloads it **

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juski:

I think it's metamorphosed into something quite nice. I really hated the menus before

[10:22:25]

juski:

gbee: you know your thoughts on taking the plugin buttons out of theme.xml ?

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gardengnome:

looks glossier now o/

[10:23:08]

juski:

I've been thinking.. would it be all that bad to take all the buttondefs & give all the watermarks standard filenames?

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juski:

infact give all theme elements standard filenames

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stuarta:

no idea really.

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mirak:

hi

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gardengnome:

nice stats

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stuarta:

that'll be one for the -dev list

[10:24:04]

juski:

loads of work for theme creators but easier for theme maintainers :)

[10:24:22]

Dagmar:

Give to me multi-mode buttons for mythmusic

[10:25:39]

** juski pukes **

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juski:

http://www.tv-cards.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?id=14616

[10:25:48]

Tanthrix:

directhex: That's the most awesome idea I've heard all night.

[10:26:34]

Dagmar:

HELLO AND THIS IS MY THEME. WHAT VIDEOS WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY NOW?

[10:27:25]

Dagmar:

juski: C'mon man... why on earth are there play, pause, and stop buttons on the screen at the same time anyway

[10:27:32]

stuarta:

ho hum, just crashed X trying out the new theme

[10:27:46]

stuarta:

suspect that'll be the libs i just upgraded rather than the theme

[10:27:50]

Dagmar:

I'm trying abuse side-effects now, but not having much luck

[10:27:53]

** directhex upgrades stuarta's libs **

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juski:

stuarta: one would hope so

[10:28:16]

stuarta:

indeed.

[10:28:23]

juski:

Dagmar: I agree – when you can't interact with them they're pointless

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Dagmar:

It seems I can't get away with deliberately stacking elements in hopes that the last one changed would be the last one drawn in the image

[10:28:47]

** stuarta blames the libs **

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juski:

Dagmar: but when mouse support improves, they'll come in handy for touchscreens

[10:29:05]

Dagmar:

I've managed to completely hide the evil Edit Playlist and Visualization buttons tho

[10:29:09]

juski:

so we *need* them

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Dagmar:

They'll still be dead space even then

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stuarta:

however thunderbird is still screwed :(

[10:29:27]

Dagmar:

er the play/pause/stop that is

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juski:

Dagmar: sure

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** stuarta wonders if mirak was actually going to ask a question, or was just being polite **

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juski:

Dagmar: how would you make a key do 3 things? you can't have play – pause – stop

[10:31:07]

Dagmar:

No, but you can have a stop button, and a play/pause button

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juski:

there's no law that says all those buttons have to take up so much room anyway

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Dagmar:

I forget what the useability graph is called, but there's no three mode case

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mirak:

stuarta: polite, mythtv serve is due to me, I use something else now

[10:32:18]

mirak:

served

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juski:

mirak: but.. but.. there is *nothing* else

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directhex:

juski, Eliza!

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Dagmar:

Personally, I think it'd be cool if there was just a play button, which split down the middle to make a pause/stop graphic once things have stared playing

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juski:

unless you only need a media player

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mirak:

juski: well vdr is doing fine for me :p

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Dagmar:

...but that also kinda breaks if you pause it, because then the play button is now half normal size

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juski:

Dagmar: if (play) {display the pause button}; if (pause or stop) {display the play button}

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juski:

sorted :)

[10:34:11]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but I make binaries asplode

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Dagmar:

Either I mucked up something in a way that will eventually break, or I figured out how to make the text label get drawn *under* a graphical buton

[10:34:55]

mirak:

juski: I am using freevo + xine frontend and vdr with a dvb-c card on one setup. I managed to use a pvr150 with vdr, it works not bad also. though I use VDR on a low end mac G4 350mhz, and I only can use hardware decoding through video out of the dvb-c cable, and I am not sure mythtv can handle this.

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juski:

mirak: no mythtv won't run on such low end hardware

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Dagmar:

I don't think you can even play back full screen SD on that

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juski:

or rather it will, but it'd be as limiting as VDR

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Dagmar:

Not xvid and definitely not x264 anyway

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juski:

no transcoding

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mirak:

juski: yep. also at some point the mpeg2 playback was bogus in mythtv, I don't know if it was solved

[10:36:07]

juski:

no commercial flagging

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juski:

vive la difference

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juski:

and VDR's an all in one box or else – solution

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juski:

it'd be nice if all the other pvr projects got off their high horses & came over to mythtv!

[10:37:27]

mirak:

juski: is there a vdr plugin ? ... I think vdr is superior for TV but the reason is probably it's mostly doing that, while mythtv have other very interesting things

[10:37:32]

juski:

think of all the talent working on the one true PVR

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directhex:

juski, even mediaportal and gb-pvr? hey, a proper windows port! yay!

[10:38:19]

juski:

directhex: mediaportal guys could easy write a plugin to work with a mythtv backend – esp. since there's a working xbmc plugin

[10:38:31]

juski:

so could the freevo guys

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directhex:

juski, they COULD, yeah. but it's rare to see such anti-linux developers, even within microsoft's walls

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juski:

I really can't think of any *good* reason why there's not more cooperation going on

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juski:

directhex: I dunno if it's their developers to blame but I know of a lot of anti-linux sentiment on their forums

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directhex:

juski, most of it from developers!

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juski:

insecurity++++

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mirak:

juski: yes but VDR is really fast and works on slow machines. anyway I am sure mythtv with a VDR plugin would get more users. VDR is for exemple not suited to play movies and play music or display images or play games or browse internet. but the VDR integrates well in freevo for exemple, and it could integrate to mythtv I guess with the xine frontend

[10:40:44]

juski:

I want MS to crank up their OS rental plans

[10:41:16]

juski:

mirak: I talk to a freevo developer from time to time & the word on the street is they want mythtv's backend in freevo

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directhex:

juski, to make more people dump windows?

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juski:

directhex: why else? crank that mf'ing DRM right up!

[10:42:26]

directhex:

juski, i admit i wish windows activation were more unbreakable, and that MS would enforce their OEM licenses more

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mirak:

juski: there is also one nice light multimedia system called mms, it's really pretty. and also one other with a girl name I forgot

[10:42:44]

juski:

xmms

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juski:

eliza

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juski:

eliza is teh suck

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mirak:

juski: no it's mms

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directhex:

mms is the streaming protocol for windows media servers

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Dagmar:

I, for one, would LOVE to see them enforce Windows activation with an iron fist

[10:43:35]

directhex:

and the licensing, too. stealing windows is no better than stealing GPL code

[10:43:54]

juski:

just for not having anything worthy of note, I'm thinking about dobbing Bowlers in to FAST

[10:44:12]

juski:

and Trading Standards. muhahahaha

[10:44:17]

directhex:

juski, do eeet!

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directhex:

juski, i have no remorse for software pirates, for the reason already stated

[10:44:45]

** directhex just bought a couple o' games! **

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juski:

I was offerred a box I could "just take home & plug into my cable, and get all channels" ffs

[10:45:00]

directhex:

oh, i'm booted into windows at the moment. reboot time!

[10:45:04]

juski:

not even any "psst!"

[10:45:08]

Dagmar:

dobbing?

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juski:

Dagmar: ratting on

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Dagmar:

Ah

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directhex:

not because i'm in the wrong os, but because it's windows and IT DEMANDS TEH REBOOT GRRRRRRRR >_<

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Dagmar:

<Clippy> We've noticed you're writing an email. Would you like to reboot?

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mirak:

juski directhex it's alled my media system http://mms.sunsite.dk/

[10:46:15]

mirak:

called

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Nik_Doof:

what should i use, smb or nfs to access myth recordings/videos?

[10:46:33]

juski:

it's a massive place,is Bowlers.. used to be chock full of hardware, great deals.. now it's mostly far-east import electrical goods, blank media, warez, hooky cable & sat boxes, warez, blank media, blank media, blank media ..

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juski:

Nik_Doof: for windows or linux? nfs, every time for linux

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Dagmar:

dob his ass

[10:47:08]

Nik_Doof:

Bowlers is fantastic :)

[10:47:18]

juski:

Nik_Doof: it's full of TAT now

[10:47:31]

juski:

want to ponce up your case with wanker lights? sorted

[10:47:32]

Nik_Doof:

yah, same with the one at Liverpool Uni, was good until someone got busted

[10:47:40]

juski:

want to start your own piracy ring? sorted

[10:48:21]

juski:

it's not hard to put 2&2 together there when you see a guy dragging a pallet load of blank DVDs & cases with him

[10:48:23]

Nik_Doof:

now all the real hardware sellers dont want to be under investigation all the time, so they upped and left

[10:48:29]

Nik_Doof:

ya true

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mirak:

juski: this mms thing is really not well known, but it looks pretty, I tried it few month ago but it's not completely mature yet

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juski:

oh and on top of the pallet are 2 16 way duplicators... hmm I wonder what he's gonna be doing

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gbee:

juski: well that would negate all the current memory savings, with the button defs you can specify the same image be used for several buttons

[10:49:14]

Dagmar:

Whee! Gotta live one

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Dagmar:

One of the mailboxes just shot to 99% on /

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juski:

gbee: but it'd only be loaded once surely?

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** Dagmar loves calling people at 5:45am on a Sunday **

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directhex:

has windows been appeased, updatewise? PRACE BETS NOW!

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juski:

directhex: bansai!

[10:50:46]

** juski misses 'Bansai' **

[10:50:51]

directhex:

BETTING ENDS!

[10:51:09]

Nik_Doof:

banzai drinking games, ahh the good ol days :)

[10:51:21]

** stuarta plays the transcode many recordings game. **

[10:51:22]

Dagmar:

Ooo nooo! So solly! Mistah box is not windows, mistah box is YOUNIX!

[10:51:32]

gbee:

juski: if named them – dvd-watermark.png, watchtv-watermark.png but they were the same image then they would end up being loaded twice?

[10:51:39]

juski:

gbee: what I mean is, begin to standardise image names

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directhex:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obj5wx_zqdA

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juski:

gbee: that isnt what I mean

[10:52:02]

Nik_Doof:

im actually suprised that Ftn/Challenge hasnt picked up banzai

[10:52:15]

gbee:

juski: ok, I've misunderstood

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gardengnome:

mirak: mms as in multimedia middleware system?

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mirak:

gardengnome: my media system

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directhex:

but takeshi's castle is better than banzai!

[10:53:29]

mirak:

gardengnome: it was called first mpeg2 media system and was supposed to work with dxr3 cards

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juski:

gbee: I mean have defaults for button names, so if you don't specify a watermark image for a button – or don't specify a button infact – you still get one displayed

[10:53:46]

Nik_Doof:

happy clappy chappies for the win :)

[10:54:23]

gardengnome:

mirak: ah, ok

[10:54:34]

gbee:

juski: right and then allow it to be overridden?

[10:54:34]

juski:

so somebody makes a new plugin- the theme maintainer (whoever that might be) would draw an icon/watermark for it and the button would use that unless a theme specified otherwise

[10:54:50]

gbee:

juski: ah ok

[10:55:34]

juski:

and you could override watermarks the same way we override other stuff like gallery icons

[10:56:04]

juski:

i.e. if there's a copy in the base of the current theme dir use that, or if not, use the default one

[10:56:17]

gbee:

yeah, that's not a bad idea – so long as theme developers are aware that memory _can_ be saved if they are using the same image for two buttons by using a button definition

[10:57:27]

juski:

gbee: from my own experience I've been mindful of having images duplicated. I've used symlinks where filenames are hard coded

[10:57:49]

juski:

and where I use the same image more than once, I use the same file

[10:58:09]

juski:

infact I reworked a whole theme to get more commonality once

[10:58:37]

juski:

that's an area where a lot of savings could be made in blootube-wide, with tricks I learned from mepo

[11:05:46]

stuarta:

hmmm, i'd manange to record 2 copies of Emma, one was fully 15mins longer due to ads

[11:06:09]

Dagmar:

stuarta: That's considered par for an hour-long program in the states

[11:06:34]

stuarta:

no this is 2 showings of the same movie, on a commercial channel

[11:06:47]

stuarta:

the rerun is 15mins longer

[11:07:02]

Dagmar:

You're still getting off easy then

[11:07:21]

stuarta:

well the shorter one went from 4.2 -> 2.4 Gb :)

[11:07:23]

Dagmar:

A two hour movie aired in prime-time here can usually be expected to run for three to three and a half hours

[11:07:33]

stuarta:

bleh.

[11:08:20]

stuarta:

time to go make a sandwitch

[11:08:35]

stuarta:

sandwich even

[11:08:45]

Dagmar:

When'd he change that?

[11:09:06]

gbee:

Dagmar: get an hour and a half of your life back with mythtv then :)

[11:12:16]

** gardengnome yells at bazaar.launchpad.net for being slow.. again **

[11:17:14]

gardengnome:

*sigh*

[11:17:36]

gardengnome:

how am i supposed to work on something when i keep forgetting what i wanted to do because the checkout takes ages?

[11:17:48]

gardengnome:

maybe i should improve my short-term memory, though.

[11:17:52]

juski:

aaand minimyth.conf's format has changed again

[11:17:59]

gardengnome:

juski: yay :)

[11:18:18]

juski:

error: 'minimyth.conf' is out of date. 'MM_MYTH_SERVER' is obsolete.

[11:18:43]

juski:

if they're obsolete, just ignore them!

[11:18:44]

juski:

grrr

[11:18:55]

stuarta:

haha 3.6 -> 1.7Gb for the 2nd showing

[11:18:55]

gardengnome:

:)

[11:19:19]

gardengnome:

how can i find out what directory uses up the biggest amount of disk space?

[11:19:25]

stuarta:

du

[11:19:28]

gardengnome:

my ~ is full again.

[11:19:36]

stuarta:

du -ks ~

[11:19:37]

juski:

oh nice wrapping: http://linpvr.org/minimyth/conf/minimyth.conf

[11:19:52]

stuarta:

well actually du -ks * when in ~

[11:21:01]

juski:

and the changelogs don't actually say what has changed to what in the .conf file

[11:21:03]

gardengnome:

stuarta: duh. i never thought about using *. thanks a lot

[11:21:06]

juski:

thanks a fscking bunch

[11:21:07]

gardengnome:

juski: svn diff?

[11:21:23]

samesame:

hi guys my lircd isnt working

[11:21:30]

juski:

samesame: #lirc

[11:21:47]

gbee:

ew, ewww! couldn't they just have used XML?

[11:22:06]

samesame:

juski: i was only joking, i just thought id try and fit in

[11:22:20]

juski:

couldn't they just keep the config variable the *same* ?

[11:22:38]

juski:

you can never 'just update' minimyth. I'm starting to hate this

[11:23:24]

juski:

oh MM_MYTH_$FOO has changed to MM_MASTER_$FOO

[11:23:33]

gbee:

actually that wouldn't be so bad if they were using lines of hashes all over to divide up the page

[11:23:42]

gbee:

s/were/weren't/

[11:23:45]

gardengnome:

juski: i hate the install procedure for their nfsroot install. :(

[11:24:22]

gbee:

it also looks a lot better when my browser isn't trying to render it as HTML instead of test

[11:24:23]

stuarta:

they sound like a bunch of muppets

[11:24:24]

gbee:

text

[11:26:01]

juski:

since I'm just netbooting anyway, I don't really need a small footprint as such

[11:26:35]

juski:

I could just go with arch or something.. never know I might never see a hard to reproduce on other systems playback problem again

[11:28:07]

juski:

gbee: I know why Pablo doesn't use xml.. keep the footprint down

[11:28:27]

juski:

it'd need perl or something to parse it

[11:29:40]

gbee:

juski: yeah, I take that back – it was more to do with the way my browser was rendering the page than any real problem with the structure

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juski:

it boots! remote not worky though

[11:32:12]

** juski thwacks it with a birch branch **

[11:34:43]

juski:

MM_LIRC_FETCH_LIRCRC ... "Indicates whether or not to fetch the 'lircrc' file from the frontend's MiniMyth configuration directory. Valid values are 'yes' and 'no', with 'no' being the default.".. NO IS THE DEFAULT? WHAT KIND OF FSCKING RETARDED IDEA IS THAT?!

[11:36:29]

** gardengnome beers juski **

[11:36:35]

juski:

I've got an idea. check for the file being there. if there, use it. if not, just go merrily on your way!

[11:37:08]

gardengnome:

juski: AFAIK, minimyth provides functions for that

[11:37:12]

gardengnome:

it's been a while for me, though..

[11:37:15]

juski:

I know it does

[11:37:40]

samesame:

jesus u guys need to get out more

[11:37:43]

juski:

but just seeing if a file's there & using it if it is.. oh no that's too simple

[11:37:57]

juski:

samesame: your point being?

[11:38:47]

juski:

samesame: I've used minimyth for a long time. changing it to a newer version is starting to involve ever more changes to its config file, which are poorly documented (i.e what changed).. and this is annoying

[11:39:14]

samesame:

ok

[11:39:16]

juski:

and some of the default conditions are er.. somewhat puzzling

[11:39:27]

gardengnome:

stuarta: why? it's way too bright outside

[11:39:33]

gbee:

juski: in blootube-wide, you've got dbackground.png linking to background.png – any reason for not just calling it background.png in the xml?

[11:39:39]

gardengnome:

err, i meant samesame

[11:39:42]

juski:

gbee: I can't remember

[11:39:43]

gardengnome:

sorry stuarta ;)

[11:39:46]

stuarta:

:)

[11:39:53]

samesame:

heh

[11:39:59]

stuarta:

ain't much bright here. more like rain

[11:40:02]

gardengnome:

true

[11:40:03]

juski:

gbee: I'll look at it when I revamp

[11:40:05]

gardengnome:

still too bright

[11:40:12]

planktonboy:

hi guys

[11:40:32]

juski:

I'm thinking about removing the curvy top & bottom sections. I reckon they look daft now

[11:40:40]

stuarta:

well i'm off later to the driving range to see how bad i am after 6 or 7 years

[11:40:54]

juski:

flog? omg

[11:41:00]

stuarta:

followed by a retreat to the pub.

[11:41:10]

juski:

ahh so that's what golf is

[11:41:14]

juski:

a walk followed by a pissup

[11:41:14]

planktonboy:

gbee, hi mate...re that mythweb remote control thing I couldnt get it to work

[11:41:15]

stuarta:

once upon a time i played quite a bit of golf

[11:41:25]

stuarta:

juski: never heard of the 19th hole?

[11:41:46]

juski:

stuarta: yeah of course but I just got distracted by all the pringlefoolery

[11:42:03]

juski:

and elitism :)

[11:42:08]

stuarta:

that and the wearing of silly shorts

[11:42:40]

juski:

anyway time to give this minimyth a test drive. see if it can play $soaps without being lame

[11:43:00]

gbee:

planktonboy: any luck?

[11:43:20]

planktonboy:

nope

[11:43:23]

planktonboy:

:(

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juski:

ironic that the only stuff my frontend has bother with is the shite I don't watch

[11:43:39]

planktonboy:

had a look through the trac pages that you pointed me to and seen that there have been some changes to its design. It comes up ok on the mythweb pages

[11:44:04]

planktonboy:

and when I click on a button I can def see that it is connecting to the mbe

[11:44:06]

planktonboy:

but

[11:44:15]

planktonboy:

it doesnt actually do anything

[11:44:29]

planktonboy:

been looking through the logs

[11:44:44]

planktonboy:

might be an issue with javascript

[11:44:58]

planktonboy:

but not really sure what

[11:45:18]

gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/513720

[11:45:22]

planktonboy:

do you know who the developer for the remote is

[11:45:30]

stuarta:

just saved another 1Gb :)

[11:46:14]

juski:

well well well. can't play SDTV without gaps or jitters. nice :-|

[11:46:17]

gbee:

planktonboy: no, xris is the mythweb dev and Captain_Murdoch is the telnet dev but I don't know who wrote the mythweb remote

[11:47:05]

gardengnome:

juski: maybe you're using the wrong deinterlacing filter

[11:47:14]

planktonboy:

ok..maybe one of them may know who is

[11:47:27]

planktonboy:

I'll ask them when I see them, cheers

[11:47:30]

planktonboy:

:)

[11:48:26]

juski:

gardengnome: yeah maybe I'm using bob because I've got to use Xvmc because the hardware is too underpowered to play SDTV mpeg2 !

[11:48:47]

stuarta:

bad hardware

[11:49:10]

juski:

only it's not too underpowered in ubuntu

[11:49:10]

** stuarta pokes juski hardware **

[11:49:15]

gardengnome:

juski: build a VGA->SCART cable and disable deinterlacing ;)

[11:49:31]

juski:

gardengnome: Via VGA can't do interlaced modes

[11:49:45]

gardengnome:

juski: i'm annoyed because many DVB recordings here are not full PAl resolution. which will break interlacing AFAIK

[11:49:48]

gardengnome:

juski: that sucks.

[11:50:10]

juski:

don't worry I will never, EVER buy an Epia board again. nor will I recommend one to anybody

[11:50:20]

planktonboy:

gbee, I'll let you know what I find out

[11:50:26]

** juski reverts to minimyth 0.20–19 **

[11:51:27]

juski:

back to the X server which doesn't let me force DPI settings

[11:52:20]

juski:

I have a few options here. 1 don't use minimyth anymore 2. build minimyth myself & change one thing at a time to find out which change breaks $stuff 3. bin the epia

[11:53:43]

juski:

thing is surely other UK users must notice the gappy playback

[11:53:57]

juski:

unless I'm the only one who uses DVB & has an M10k board

[11:54:41]

planktonboy:

juski, does Garry Parker still use an Epia board

[11:54:42]

stuarta:

juski: maybe putting together your own cut down distro.

[11:55:08]

gardengnome:

wtf does bzr crash rfor me now?

[11:55:22]

juski:

planktonboy: who is gary parker?

[11:55:34]

planktonboy:

www.parker1.co.uk

[11:55:38]

juski:

no idea

[11:55:54]

planktonboy:

that chap who did the guides

[11:55:54]

juski:

I'm gonna investigate the refresh rate idea

[11:56:20]

gbee:

cool, lava tube

[11:56:34]

juski:

the one big difference between the time I didn't have any bother & now – apart from all the major lib changes I have no control over – is the fact I used to supply my own xorg.conf

[11:57:08]

juski:

(II) VIA(0): Relisys 772: Using default vrefresh range of 50.00–70.00 Hz WTF?!

[11:57:08]

planktonboy:

was just thinking he might be worth contacting to see if he's had any issues

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juski:

looks like it IS using an xorg.conf

[11:57:58]

juski:

cos it ain't getting that from the relisys monitor.. that's upstairs :)

[11:59:53]

juski:

move the xorg.conf out of the conf dir.. and rinse, repeat...

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Nik_Doof:

yay, xp install has froze on installing network, fantastic

[12:03:51]

juski:

er.. in other news. mytharchive isn't compiling. done make install on mythtv already.. can't find programinfo.h

[12:06:53]

juski:

Nik_Doof: did you by any chance used to work for Celestica?

[12:10:20]

gardengnome:

juski: is programinfo.h there?

[12:11:38]

juski:

yeah /usr/include/mythtv/libmythtv/programinfo.h

[12:12:00]

juski:

I told it to use --prefix=/usr

[12:12:20]

juski:

someone's gonna tell me it's hardcoded to look at /usr/local aren't they

[12:15:09]

Nik_Doof:

juski: nope, not me :)

[12:15:30]

juski:

nm then

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stuarta:

that's a bit pointless. a 19" widescreen HD ready TV...

[12:18:30]

juski:

stuarta: not really. just means it's capable of scaling down :)

[12:18:47]

juski:

great for the kitchen!

[12:19:14]

juski:

I could do with a kitchen frontend

[12:19:32]

stuarta:

*cough* EPIA *cough*

[12:19:49]

juski:

and after I've melted the fecker in the oven?

[12:20:23]

juski:

I wonder what their 1ghz is in real Hz

[12:21:09]

juski:

hmm you know how this seems to be a timing problem more than a cpu problem?

[12:21:18]

juski:

couldn't be a BIOS setting could it?

[12:21:26]

juski:

RTC related?

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Dagmar:

I didn't have any issues with the new high-res timer option in the kernel at all, actually

[12:23:02]

stuarta:

maybe, i found upping the HZ rate in the kernel helped

[12:23:11]

Dagmar:

300Mhz FTW

[12:23:22]

Dagmar:

I could almost see Linus glaring at MythTV users about that one. Heh

[12:24:21]

directhex:

as long as it's got 720 pixels vertically, knows what HDCP is, and has component, then it gets an HD Ready stamp. woo!

[12:27:17]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: do those high-res timers affect mythtv at all?

[12:27:24]

Dagmar:

Not that I'm aware of

[12:27:45]

Dagmar:

Someone was here the other day saying he coulnd't do playback after turning that option on in the latest kernel, but I've not seen him again to get a confirmation

[12:28:09]

Dagmar:

I generally just flip things on that look like they might be useful and trust that things that can use them will

[12:28:50]

juski:

is there an easy way to find out what the hz is set to?

[12:29:03]

Dagmar:

cat /proc/config.gz | grep HZ mebbe

[12:29:18]

janneg:

zgrep HZ /proc/config.gz

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stuarta:

or for the rest of us cat /boot/config-<kver>.gz | grep HZ

[12:29:36]

Dagmar:

er... zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_HZ

[12:29:52]

Dagmar:

Only chimps leave out /proc/config.gz support

[12:30:02]

stuarta:

actually there's no .gz

[12:30:20]

Dagmar:

-r--r--r-- 1 root root 16610 2007-05–27 07:30 /proc/config.gz

[12:30:20]

stuarta:

well they now seem to include it.

[12:30:43]

juski:

zcat.. not found

[12:30:43]

juski:

bah

[12:30:46]

Dagmar:

WOW

[12:30:49]

Dagmar:

You dont' have zcat?

[12:30:50]

stuarta:

gzip -d

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stuarta:

gzip -dc even

[12:31:02]

juski:

nope

[12:31:03]

directhex:

'zgrep' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

[12:31:04]

directhex:

operable program or batch file.

[12:31:06]

directhex:

:(

[12:31:06]

Dagmar:

Craaa-a-a-azy

[12:31:23]

juski:

got tar though

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janneg:

cat /bin/zcat

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janneg:

#!/bin/sh

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janneg:

PATH=${GZIP_BINDIR-'/usr/bin'}:$PATH exec gzip -cd "$@"

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Dagmar:

How old is your bloody gzip?

[12:33:28]

Dagmar:

1.3.5 at least knows to look at $0 and behave accordingly

[12:33:35]

Dagmar:

Serioualy.

[12:33:38]

juski:

under 'g' in /usr/bin I got getpot, glxgears, glxinfo & gtf

[12:33:47]

Dagmar:

Make a symlink called 'zcat' and point it at gzip and run t

[12:33:56]

Dagmar:

watch it behave exactly as zcat should

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juski:

I've not got gzip

[12:34:15]

Dagmar:

juski: WTF distro are you using again??

[12:34:18]

juski:

what I have got is the ability to mount a media share rw & copy the gz to that

[12:34:30]

Dagmar:

...or perhaps you didn't put /bin in your PATH

[12:34:54]

janneg:

Dagmar: I'm surprised too

[12:35:17]

janneg:

app-arch/gzip-1.3.11

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Dagmar:

Unless this is some stripped down Little Timmy Linux, it should have gzip

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juski:

minimyth has busybox

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directhex:

fiat gzip! et gzip erat. et gzip bonus esta

[12:36:30]

Dagmar:

gzip has been able to determine what it should do based on i

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Dagmar:

er based on it's invocation name since 2002

[12:37:52]

juski:

bah! mounted rw, but it's a ro fs

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juski:

ffs

[12:37:58]

Dagmar:

hewh

[12:39:03]

juski:

export has it exported as rw, so wth ?!

[12:39:29]

juski:

what?!

[12:39:34]

juski:

appears in mount twice!

[12:39:39]

gardengnome:

i like how juski's stuff breaks in mysterious ways. exactly like mine.

[12:39:57]

juski:

what the *F*?!

[12:40:09]

juski:

how can you umount a dir, mount it again & it appears in mount twice?

[12:40:27]

Dagmar:

By skullfucking the kernels' memory space

[12:40:28]

janneg:

Dagmar: the gentoo gzip can't: ln -s /bin/gzip zcat

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janneg:

./zcat /proc/config.gz | strings

[12:40:35]

janneg:

zcat: /proc/config.gz already has .gz suffix — unchanged

[12:40:38]

Dagmar:

janneg: Wow, so much for omgoptimzations

[12:41:22]

juski:

ok. now it's mounted once, rw

[12:41:31]

juski:

minimyth is WEIRD

[12:41:41]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I'd be real careful there

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juski:

cp: unable to open `/media/movies/./config.gz': Read-only file system

[12:42:03]

juski:

but it's reported as 'rw' by mount

[12:42:04]

juski:

arggh!

[12:42:06]

juski:

I give up

[12:42:43]

directhex:

poor juski

[12:42:45]

directhex:

have a beer!

[12:42:48]

Dagmar:

Maybe check /proc/mounts to be SURE it's only mounted once before going further

[12:43:09]

Dagmar:

Writeable double-mounts are a fast route to that "epic filesystem corruption" everyone loves so much

[12:43:23]

juski:

oh ffs. it's in there more than once

[12:43:57]

juski:

and after a umount it's still in /proc/mounts

[12:44:51]

janneg:

Dagmar: there is only a patch which makes only symlinks and no hard links

[12:44:55]

juski:

ok. I'll just mount it somewhere else

[12:45:42]

juski:

nope

[12:45:44]

juski:

this is lame

[12:46:12]

juski:

so umount isn't causing the fs to be unmounted. nice

[12:46:19]

Dagmar:

Sweet

[12:46:29]

juski:

and mounting the dir elsewhere rw isn't allowing me to write to it

[12:46:45]

juski:

I think gappy playback is only the fecking start of minimyth's problems

[12:46:50]

Dagmar:

heh

[12:47:13]

Dagmar:

If I had more free time I'd say "ffs just ship me something you think it should run on and I'll make it go"

[12:47:13]

juski:

I mean if the bloody filesystem doesn't work like a linux fs should, what fecking hope is there for a media player?

[12:47:36]

** juski bins it **

[12:47:47]

Dagmar:

I've bootstrapped Linux onto some really stupid s**t over the years

[12:48:07]

Dagmar:

...including an HP/9000 before I knew you weren't really supposed to do that

[12:48:10]

Dagmar:

heh

[12:48:29]

stuarta:

i got it running on an old DEC mips box

[12:48:46]

juski:

I could just make a nfs slack install & make it work with that. I bet it'd fly then

[12:48:54]

Dagmar:

stuarta: Yes, but did you built it in place using the DEC version of Unix. ;)

[12:49:03]

stuarta:

took about 2 days to rebuild xfree4

[12:49:24]

stuarta:

getting gcc to build with the DEC compiler was fun

[12:49:28]

Dagmar:

Over the course of about three months I turned an HP/9000 machine running flaky-ass HPUX 9 into a Linux box, one subsystem at a time

[12:49:42]

stuarta:

anyone notice?

[12:49:55]

Dagmar:

yeah. Mail became reliable again.

[12:50:17]

juski:

jams: any chance of you doing a 0.20-fixes version of your cd ?

[12:50:19]

Dagmar:

Their POPd was segfaulting and dropping mails into /tmp (777 no less!!)

[12:50:21]

stuarta:

hehe, i just installed qmail on on of the other DEC's

[12:50:30]

Dagmar:

I just started replacing pieces until it stabilized

[12:51:10]

stuarta:

same

[12:51:32]

stuarta:

damn Ultrix was crap

[12:51:32]

gardengnome:

juski: try mythbuntu? ;)

[12:51:42]

juski:

gardengnome: ubuntu sucks on epia

[12:51:59]

stuarta:

juski: i'd go with slack, it seems to like you

[12:52:15]

juski:

remember that stupid digital audio problem nobody knew the cause of on ubunut?

[12:52:30]

gardengnome:

juski: AFAIK, they're going to package those via drivers. i dunno if they already ship them

[12:52:33]

gardengnome:

juski: yep

[12:52:43]

gardengnome:

s/via drivers/via graphics drivers/(

[12:52:52]

juski:

well i never did get to the bottom of it

[12:53:06]

juski:

was prolly something udev-ish

[12:53:45]

juski:

maybe I should kick back & have some bluetooth fun this afternoon. see if I can make a nasty thing to annoy people at LRL with

[12:53:46]

gardengnome:

udev is hell

[12:54:15]

Dagmar:

Bullshit

[12:54:17]

Dagmar:

Try PAM

[12:54:20]

juski:

lol

[12:54:24]

juski:

point to Dagmar

[12:54:43]

juski:

oh yeah now I remember. mytharchive is playing bunny fuggers

[12:55:20]

Dagmar:

I think I'm going to have to take the NOC TV off CNNHN

[12:55:33]

juski:

so come on gardengnome whaddya reckon? programinfo.h is where I'd expect it, yet make is failing because programinfo.h can't be found, and the --prefix=/usr remember

[12:55:37]

Dagmar:

THey keep airing this story about people buying upmarket homes and converting them entirely into grow-labs

[12:55:47]

Dagmar:

I feel like a starving man watching the food channel.

[12:56:20]

juski:

feckit. make distclean

[12:56:37]

directhex:

udev is your friend. PAM is a mysterious mistress

[12:56:47]

directhex:

Dagmar, who can afford a home these days?

[12:57:21]

juski:

directhex: if you ain't got one already, you can't

[12:57:27]

Dagmar:

PAM is the chick you picked up at the trailer-converted-to-a-bar after you got kicked out of the last bar for being too drunk

[12:57:30]

juski:

unless daddy is very rich

[12:57:43]

Dagmar:

directhex: Apparently asian gangs looking to grow a lot of weed

[12:58:13]

directhex:

Dagmar, so i can't afford a roof over my head so some punks can smoke a fat blunt? bah!

[12:58:16]

directhex:

juski, no kidding

[12:58:33]

Dagmar:

No, see, you get a consulting gig maintaining the equipment for those guys

[13:00:05]

juski:

oh please. after unpacking 1240kb of disk space will be used. I don't fscking care

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directhex:

Dagmar, i made one of my hall of residence once. and wanted to do one of the local town hall

[13:01:08]

gardengnome:

someone made a counterstrike map of our school. it was the HTML study group ;)

[13:01:13]

directhex:

anyway, back to quake

[13:01:34]

directhex:

gardengnome, nobody got sent to school for dangerous unstable maniacs for it?

[13:02:05]

gardengnome:

directhex: AFAIK, it was before school shootings happened in germany

[13:02:13]

Dagmar:

That kid is going to soooo win his lawsuit

[13:02:35]

Dagmar:

Practically every damn book on 3D mapping says to start with somewhere you're very familiar with, like your home or school

[13:02:37]

gardengnome:

we used to play cstrike in our computer lab (duron chips on early via boards running windows 98, oh my) till someone banned it ;)

[13:05:25]

Dagmar:

Most of them will

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Dagmar:

Anyone remember who it was yesterday that was wanting the music note glyphs done?

[13:29:12]

juski:

rtsai ?>

[13:29:38]

Dagmar:

Nah I thought it was sphery or something like that

[13:29:46]

juski:

sphery fer sure!

[13:29:47]

Dagmar:

I *think* they put http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythCaptionFont/ up

[13:30:00]

Dagmar:

I have the glyphs done in Inkscape

[13:30:14]

juski:

that bluetooth thing was disappointingly easy

[13:31:52]

Dagmar:

If he shows up, someone toss http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/musicnotation.svg at him

[13:32:55]

janneg:

sphery: see above

[13:33:11]

Dagmar:

?

[13:33:42]

janneg:

Dagmar: he is here but idle

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Dagmar:

Ah, okay

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Dagmar:

sphery: It are music notez! http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/musicnotation.svg

[13:38:29]

Dagmar:

...just to make certain his grabber sees it

[13:39:05]

juski:

and he had trouble drawing them? ah well :)

[13:39:20]

Dagmar:

He was trying to do it in Gimp

[13:39:30]

juski:

oof!

[13:39:31]

Dagmar:

...which is notably painful for vector-based tasks

[13:39:40]

Dagmar:

Childishly easy with Inkscape

[13:39:49]

Dagmar:

...but you have to be familiar with vector editors, first

[13:39:53]

juski:

it's notably painful for all but gamma correcting & cropping photos

[13:42:55]

Dagmar:

If I could figure out how do to the thing with color levels that Gimp does using `convert` I would be very happy

[13:43:11]

Dagmar:

I have about 40 little images I'm going to have to diddle in Gimp manually otherwise

[13:50:04]

juski:

can you not scriptify it & use imagemagick or something?

[13:50:19]

Dagmar:

See, I'm reading the man page for convert and not getting much out of it as it is

[13:50:35]

Dagmar:

If I wanted to reduce the images to half their size or something, that would be easy

[13:53:15]

juski:

ahh all I needed to do was make distclean. yay for me

[14:07:57]

juski:

hmm.. making one's own bluejacking app would be fairly simple

[14:08:20]

juski:

scan for BT ids and any new ones, just send the file out to em

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juski:

and people want to charge *money* for something even I could code up?

[14:09:06]

juski:

hahaha

[14:14:39]

rikstah:

bluez works with my MSI dongle

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directhex:

of course it does. bluetooth is like usb2, there's just 1 driver that works with everything

[14:16:02]

rikstah:

you just said it may or may not work with some devices?

[14:18:23]

directhex:

rikstah, for legal reasons, yeah

[14:18:34]

juski:

anyway www.juski.co.uk/bt.png :)

[14:18:41]

directhex:

what bluez might or might not do is certainly not a violation of the licensing terms of the bluetooth alliance

[14:20:10]

rikstah:

juski, what type of date are you sending the message as?

[14:20:13]

rikstah:

data*

[14:20:17]

juski:

text file

[14:20:18]

juski:

plain text

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rikstah:

(I'm jut curious)

[14:20:23]

rikstah:

ahh ok

[14:20:37]

juski:

figure everything should read .txt just fine

[14:20:48]

rikstah:

yeah, you'd think so...

[14:21:08]

juski:

what a productive weekend it's been so far!

[14:21:10]

directhex:

i wonder if those ice cubes ae frozen yet. i want more booze!

[14:21:22]

rikstah:

juski, you could use a cool gumstix computer for that :)

[14:21:37]

rikstah:

i have one, it's a fun toy

[14:21:42]

juski:

you mean there's a use for my epia board after all?!

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directhex:

juski, yes! throwing at hobos!

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rikstah:

http://www.gumstix.com/

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juski:

I was wondering whatever happened to the SIMM sized webservers a while ago

[14:25:57]

gardengnome:

directhex: it's 3pm for you, isn't it? ;)

[14:26:17]

directhex:

gardengnome, or thereabouts, yes

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juski:

jees man you could hide a webserver just about anywhere

[14:27:59]

gardengnome:

yay

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gardengnome:

http://buttplug/index.htm

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gbee:

...

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juski:

:-O

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gardengnome:

SCNR ;)

[14:29:19]

juski:

vibrate.html gives me a 404 error

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tormen0815:

Hi. If an ongoing recording is recognized/shown as a finished recording in mythfrontend under watch recordings, this is a bug in mythfrontend??

[14:36:19]

tormen0815:

And 2nd question: is is possible to use mplayer to play a nuv with RJPEG?? (for me it doesn't work)

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juski:

I dunno why but everytime I see 'stickyicky' I think of Benidorm

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directhex:

i feel like a fruity cocktail. juski, go get me one!

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juski:

yeah right. I mean what I know about cocktails extends to how to best down them in one usually

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jams:

juski- nope

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jams:

my stuff doens't compile against .20

[15:09:54]

juski:

ah well not to worry :)

[15:09:55]

jams:

somewhere along the line dtk changed the why the settings classes work.

[15:10:31]

jams:

if .21 takes to long I might reconsider..but for now the answer is no

[15:12:02]

jams:

this way i don't feel pressured to make a public download

[15:12:15]

juski:

heheh good plan

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jams:

i must say all the little details are hard to keep track of

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juski:

hmm I could try upping the refresh rate with a custom modeline

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juski:

change the pixel clock rate to 29MHz..

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janneg:

Dibblah, stuarta: http://www.grunau.be/ffmpeg_9132_mt_h264.diff.bz2

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directhex:

janneg, multithreaded h264? encoding or decoding?

[15:38:23]

janneg:

I know why it drops occasional frames and I worked around it in the warpfactor calculation

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janneg:

directhex: decoding

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directhex:

sexeh!

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Dagmar:

WE NEED MORE POWER, CAPTAIN!

[15:39:29]

janneg:

x264 has multithreaded encoding since ...

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directhex:

janneg, you deserve cake just for the fact that you were able to understand what the hell's going on inside ffmpeg

[15:40:04]

janneg:

no, I'm just a patch monkey

[15:40:19]

janneg:

the patch wrote someone else

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directhex:

aw :(

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Aquahallic:

afternoon folks

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gbee:

no, you deserve cake all the same for re-syncing with ffmpeg

[15:41:43]

gbee:

as rewards go, cake is ok but I'd rather a beer

[15:41:49]

Aquahallic:

should the volume control in mythtv work if you're using ALSA as your sound source??

[15:41:56]

directhex:

gbee, go make me a fruity cocktail!

[15:42:37]

janneg:

Andreas Öman to give credit where credit is due

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janneg:

Aquahallic: yes

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gardengnome:

Aquahallic: *source*?

[15:45:42]

Aquahallic:

when I turn the volume up or down in mythtv livetv it does nothing

[15:46:02]

Aquahallic:

also when I go into the audio setup I have ALSA:default set

[15:46:17]

Aquahallic:

and the mixer box has no selections available...:/

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sebrock:

is there a emulator for XBOX to go on MythTV?

[15:49:38]

dr_willis:

i do belive theres an xbox mythtv front end project

[15:50:08]

directhex:

there's no xbox emulator for *nix

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sebrock:

PS2?

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gbee:

Aquahallic: use 'default' for the mixer

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directhex:

current format. essentially piracy

[15:50:38]

dr_willis:

Ive not tried the ps2 emulators out – they do exist. however.

[15:50:56]

dr_willis:

the ps1 emulators out – work very well.

[15:51:08]

directhex:

pcsx2. not very well-developed

[15:51:18]

sebrock:

ok

[15:51:19]

Servo888:

Jesus christ – ok my usb remote is working with mythtv. Now small thing – all my mythtv overlays such as the channel information / volume, those are all black and white instead of being the weird green color

[15:51:40]

directhex:

but generally, emulation of current-gen or last-gen is a bust

[15:52:50]

directhex:

pre-last-gen is when it starts being okay, but is still somewhat iffy a lot of the time

[15:53:07]

gpd:

So I just goet MythVideo to download some IMDB data and grab the URL for the poster – however, it doesn't seem to have downloaded the images – is this expected or should I be googling?

[15:53:28]

directhex:

rule of thumb though: if they still have a shelf for it in game, don't emulate it, t'is not even remotely morally accepatble

[15:53:40]

directhex:

gpd, it times out sometimes. try it again

[15:54:06]

gpd:

directhex: is the only way to download via the mythvideo 'get imbd data' interface?

[15:54:18]

directhex:

or SVN mythweb

[15:54:46]

gpd:

you mean the subversion code of mythweb? to go to the URL directly?

[15:55:13]

directhex:

no, i mean a new enough version of mythweb that you can click "imdb" on a video

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gpd:

directhex: 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu3 I assume that qualifies

[15:56:37]

directhex:

nope

[15:56:43]

directhex:

that would be 0.20-fixes

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Aquahallic:

gbee I have default in the mixer box.. and still no audio control inside mythtv

[15:58:09]

gpd:

directhex: ok. np. Is there a tools to grab all posters for movies in the database then? ie. batch grab?

[15:58:22]

directhex:

gpd, not AFAIK

[15:58:28]

gbee:

Aquahallic: just the other day someone mentioned that the volume control in alsa doesn't affect the rear speakers in a surround setup

[15:58:43]

Aquahallic:

this is in normal stereo

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gbee:

Aquahallic: but check the alsa mixer – does the volume indicator decrease and increase as you change the volume in mythtv?

[15:59:59]

Aquahallic:

can I ssh into the box and fire up alsamixer and then change the volume in myth.... should it move in the SSH session?

[16:04:16]

gbee:

it should

[16:04:20]

gbee:

I think

[16:04:33]

dr_willis:

Aquahallic, ive done it that way

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Aquahallic:

nope.. doesn't move

[16:05:47]

Aquahallic:

and... if I move the slider in alsamixer.. it doesn't affect the audio either

[16:05:49]

Aquahallic:

:/

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gpd:

directhex: am I entering a world of pain if I try and mix SVN plugins with the regular Feisty modules – or can I just drop in the replacement imdb.pl with amazon support?

[16:06:01]

Aquahallic:

sounds like something jacked with the audio setup itself

[16:06:28]

directhex:

gpd, mythweb ought to be self-contained. talk to gardengnome, he was making a package

[16:07:10]

gpd:

directhex: ok, thanks once again :)

[16:07:11]

gardengnome:

huh?

[16:07:13]

gardengnome:

;)

[16:07:24]

directhex:

i think it was gardengnome anyway

[16:07:45]

gardengnome:

yes, it was me.

[16:07:51]

Dibblah:

janneg: Trying a compile now. Nice work! :)

[16:07:52]

gardengnome:

just testing my packages

[16:08:08]

Aquahallic:

do I have to use OSS Mixer API when compiling my kernel?

[16:08:16]

Dibblah:

BTW, is the noise in configure needing sorted out?

[16:08:31]

Aquahallic:

says that's old.. is there a newer support for the mixer?

[16:10:44]

gpd:

gpd: it looks like there is a simple fix in the wiki; ie. overwrite the imdb.pl from svn as you predicted http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo

[16:11:52]

janneg:

Dibblah: ?

[16:12:35]

janneg:

Dibblah, stuarta et al: if you need AC3 decoding you have to use liba52

[16:13:02]

janneg:

enable it with --enable-liba52

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janneg:

screen -r

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janneg:

argh, wrong keyborg

[16:14:57]

Dagmar:

--enable-liboobs

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Dagmar:

ftw!

[16:15:09]

directhex:

--violate-patents

[16:16:09]

Dagmar:

--enable-lubrication=no

[16:16:38]

directhex:

-fun-roll-loops

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Dagmar:

ahem. It's -funroll-loops

[16:17:46]

dr_willis:

-fun-time-will-be-had-by-all

[16:17:50]

dr_willis:

:)

[16:18:12]

directhex:

what the hell is a funroll? now roll loops can be considered fun, but what the hell is a funroll?

[16:18:13]

Dagmar:

You might need --enable-garlic=yes and --enable-crosses=yes if you use -malign-jumps

[16:18:21]

Dagmar:

-f *unroll-loops*

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directhex:

-funroll-loops is for people who should really be buying ICC or PathCC instead

[16:19:14]

Dagmar:

It's useful sometimes if you need to make a binary larger in a hurry

[16:20:41]

Dagmar:

Or for debugging

[16:20:50]

Dagmar:

If youw ant to say, put a breakpoint in the 9th iteration of something

[16:21:01]

Dagmar:

...although that's one hell of an edge case

[16:21:12]

directhex:

it's still primarily used by kids who should simply switch to a better compiler

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directhex:

and yes, i know gcc supports more platforms than anything else. it's still slow for performance code

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** dr_willis hand codes in assembly for his C64 **

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juski:

I remember hand assembling z80, 6502 & 6809

[16:25:53]

dr_willis:

z80 still rocks. :)

[16:26:02]

dr_willis:

Its proberly in your toaster oven even now!

[16:26:38]

juski:

haven't seen anything in a 40 pin DIP for many a year

[16:29:25]

gpd:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=34, backend=31) <-- directhex :(

[16:29:46]

directhex:

gpd, meh. just hack mythweb. it's a setting in a file somewhere

[16:30:15]

janneg:

directhex: are you sure the protocols are compatible?

[16:30:40]

directhex:

janneg, it's close enough. i think recording groups are the main one

[16:30:41]

janneg:

gpd: don't do that if you don't know what you're doing

[16:30:49]

russellb:

or just upgrade :)

[16:31:12]

gpd:

janneg: is it likely to corrupt my myth database?

[16:31:13]

juski:

muhahaha http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . amp;start=10

[16:31:43]

janneg:

gpd: have no idea

[16:31:45]

juski:

"It seems that kurgbes problem is another project constraint which should be well advertised at the MythTV site before someone decides to spend $1000+ on a Myth Box. ".. feck off

[16:32:09]

directhex:

i've had no problems running mythtvviewer on windows & fiddling it to report proto 34 instead of 31

[16:32:11]

directhex:

for what it's worth

[16:32:14]

juski:

gardengnome: I want my special powers back so I can edit other people's posts :D

[16:32:21]

directhex:

viewer.player. whatever

[16:33:18]

janneg:

juski: damn, that posting wasn't intended for me

[16:33:22]

Dagmar:

kurgbe is a pansy of the first order

[16:33:30]

Dagmar:

Since when is it trouble to delete 14 files

[16:33:37]

Dagmar:

14 THOUSAND files maybe, but not 14.

[16:34:02]

juski:

I tried making a really offensive posting that'd get me banned but all the good words are already filtered

[16:35:17]

juski:

giving up smoking is easier than quitting visiting mythtvtalk.com

[16:37:05]

juski:

wowser.. http://www.riverstreams.co.uk/index.php?act=v . . . productId=16

[16:38:16]

GreyFoxx:

hehe cool

[16:39:00]

** gpd gives up with mythwebsvn – knocks up some sql and shell to grab the posters, moves on **

[16:43:34]

gardengnome:

my svn packages seem to be working fine. neeed some more polish, though

[16:44:19]

** jams hands gardengnome some turtlewax **

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gardengnome:

thanks

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dr_willis:

gardengnomewax – keep your gargen gnomes shiney!

[16:48:45]

dr_willis:

:)

[16:54:00]

janneg:

cat /proc/`pidof mythfrontend`/status | grep Threads

[16:54:01]

janneg:

Threads: 763

[16:54:11]

Dagmar:

YES! NEW RECORD!

[16:54:12]

clever[rev]:

lol

[16:54:38]

clever[rev]:

Threads: 6

[16:54:41]

clever[rev]:

dangit:P

[16:56:22]

clever[rev]:

total space on drive c: which is of type( fixed ) is 74.53GB and free is 6.31GB

[16:56:35]

** gardengnome raises an eyebrow **

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** clever[rev] uninstalls gnome:P **

[16:57:06]

** gardengnome yells at clever[rev] **

[16:58:18]

** juski keeps clever[rev] on his ignore list. result :) **

[16:58:22]

** clever[rev] puts on kde and turns the volume up **

[17:01:44]

gpd:

juski: am I right in thinking that your fab blootube theme might be a little heavy for a 256M system :(?

[17:02:13]

gpd:

juski: I also require a 'Case Badger'!

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** gpd downloads blootubelite-wide, carries on **

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gbee:

gpd: what res?

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gpd:

1280x720

[17:07:00]

gbee:

at that resolution blootube-wide would use around 140mb with the patch from #3506

[17:07:18]

gbee:

uses 143Mb on my 1280x800 laptop

[17:07:31]

clever[rev]:

lol ouch

[17:07:33]

gpd:

lovely.

[17:07:42]

** gpd wanders off to find some lighter themes **

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gbee:

working on getting it down below 100Mb

[17:07:57]

clever[rev]:

i allready have that patch installed

[17:10:12]

janneg:

mythcenter-wide and Iulius

[17:10:14]

gbee:

clever[rev]: don't have a complete list – of the 7 janne tested the other day mythcenter-wide came out with the lowest usage (patched)

[17:10:37]

clever[rev]:

ahh i'll have to check it

[17:10:49]

clever[rev]:

mythtv 15443 1.1 13.2 181624 68232 pts/3 SLl May26 22:51 mythfrontend

[17:10:51]

gpd:

that certainly fits with a du -s * |sort -n of the themes dir

[17:10:53]

clever[rev]:

when using blue

[17:11:30]

gbee:

gpd: that isn't the only factor, but it's a good guide

[17:11:41]

clever[rev]:

dont have a widescreen tv but i'll try plain mythcenter

[17:12:22]

tannerld:

how does the computer running mythtv connect to the tv?

[17:12:44]

GreyFoxx:

tannerld: the TVout of a video card most of the time

[17:12:47]

clever[rev]:

mem usage up a tad

[17:13:13]

tannerld:

Grecko_AFK: k, thanks

[17:16:40]

clever[rev]:

what types of lcd devices can mythtv connect to?

[17:20:39]

russellb:

So, I didn't have a remote control and I got tired of using a keyboard ... so I can now use a portable phone as my remote. :)

[17:21:33]

russellb:

I don't need this silly IR stuff, hehe

[17:22:25]

clever[rev]:

how are you doing that?

[17:22:37]

clever[rev]:

im just using a minikeyboard on 20 feet of extensions

[17:22:50]

russellb:

using asterisk

[17:22:56]

clever[rev]:

ahh

[17:23:00]

gpd:

how many people with Nokia Internet tablets? 770/N800?

[17:23:28]

gpd:

have you used with mythTV? I use mine for mythweb – but I feel there is more to be done

[17:24:04]

russellb:

the configuration to do it was pretty easy, actually ...

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sphery:

Dagmar: Nice!!!

[17:55:05]

sphery:

Dagmar: Thanks for the work. Those are perfect... Oh, and GIMP wasn't the only trouble I was having. Most of the problems were my lack of artistic talent. (My 5 year old nephew can draw better than I can. :)

[17:56:28]

** russellb chuckles **

[17:56:38]

russellb:

my phone remote config just got a lot more complicated

[17:56:50]

russellb:

i can now change channnels and navigate menus

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gardengnome:

i wish i had a five year old nephew to draw stuff for me

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zambaroo:

heyheyhey

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zambaroo:

canadian bacon++

[17:59:37]

gardengnome:

wtf

[17:59:42]

gardengnome:

that was random

[17:59:54]

tank-man:

not really, i watched that movie last night

[18:00:10]

Greenbox__:

russellb, that's awesome!

[18:00:13]

zambaroo:

morning all

[18:00:33]

gardengnome:

ah

[18:00:39]

zambaroo:

how do i correct the gamma/hue? blue people scare me.

[18:00:41]

gardengnome:

zambaroo: sorry, thought it was some fetish thing

[18:00:49]

gardengnome:

zambaroo: running ATI or IEGD?

[18:00:54]

zambaroo:

gardengnome, si, ati

[18:01:36]

gardengnome:

zambaroo: mythtv isn't supported by ATI. you'll have to patch the source. it's just one define. see the tickets at http://trac.mythtv.org

[18:01:40]

zambaroo:

man.. all the goodness of bacon and none of the guilt. go canucks.

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zambaroo:

gardengnome, oh interesting. i had no such issues with an ati tv wonder. the bastards...

[18:02:33]

directhex:

ati hate linux. and kittens!

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zambaroo:

gardengnome, im about to throw this thing out the window.

[18:03:28]

Dibblah:

janneg: without a52dec installed, it doesn't compile.

[18:03:43]

** zambaroo got a sweet deal on that pvr-150 last night. **

[18:04:09]

Dibblah:

Doh :)

[18:04:50]

** zambaroo went to circuit city, saw the card for $99, remembered that it was listed for 69 on the website, called his wife, had her buy it for him. **

[18:04:51]

gardengnome:

zambaroo: no worries, you jsut need to recompile mythtv AFAIK

[18:05:00]

Dibblah:

janneg: Looks like whitespace / variable name changes in configure, is what I was meaning.

[18:05:01]

gardengnome:

zambaroo: nice

[18:05:23]

zambaroo:

i know, im very happy – it keeps the cpu work down.

[18:07:43]

zambaroo:

hm trac doesnt resolve right

[18:07:54]

janneg:

Dibblah: it should check if liba52 is available

[18:08:48]

Dibblah:

Doesn't appear to ifdef it properly.

[18:09:04]

Dibblah:

I've installed it and am continuing with the compile.

[18:09:38]

sphery:

zambaroo: I think you can also just reset the values to 0 (if you're using packages, it's probably easier than compiling).

[18:10:13]

janneg:

Dibblah: can please paste the error

[18:10:14]

zambaroo:

sphery, oh? ivtv-utils?

[18:10:17]

sphery:

zambaroo: Oh, and it's only ATI video cards (not capture cards) that have the broken drivers.

[18:10:18]

gardengnome:

zambaroo: see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2241#comment:4

[18:10:35]

zambaroo:

gardengnome, thx

[18:10:39]

jonty:

Afternoon all

[18:10:47]

Dibblah:

janneg: Damn. I knew you were going to ask that :)

[18:10:54]

sphery:

zambaroo: No, Myth resets them every time you start recording. You'd have to manually go into the capturecard table in the DB.

[18:10:56]

zambaroo:

With hue = 50 %, the plants are green, but the people looks like light blue aliens and I can't change hue to a correct value.

[18:11:10]

zambaroo:

that's exactly what's going on.

[18:11:12]

janneg:

if it was libs/libavcodec/a52dec.c that file is compiled conditionally

[18:11:26]

sphery:

(Never recommended, but then again, we can't help it if ATI has buggy drivers--especially when removing one line of code or changing one would fix it.)

[18:11:35]

janneg:

Dibblah: compile or linking error?

[18:11:40]

jonty:

I'm rebuilding my mythtv box on ubuntu after it's been running on gentoo for the last year or so, and for some reason the two nova-T cards I have won't show up in the capture card setup under the DVB option – anyone got any ideas?

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Dibblah:

compile, ISTR.

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Dibblah:

Give me a couple of minutes. I think ccache will get in my way here.

[18:12:20]

jonty:

I just get a "Could not open card #0" message, yet I know the cards have been detected and modules loaded ok

[18:12:29]

gardengnome:

jonty: yes. make sure they're working *outside* mythtv first

[18:12:47]

jonty:

gardengnome, hmm, k

[18:13:51]

** zambaroo rummages for a video card **

[18:14:13]

squish103:

i am builting a myth frontend. is it possible to have the remote power button put computer in sleep mode, and bring it out?

[18:14:48]

fysa:

research suspend-to-ram

[18:14:52]

fysa:

S3 STR

[18:14:53]

tank-man:

put to sleep maybe, but i dont know about bring it out

[18:15:17]

squish103:

ok thanks

[18:15:18]

zambaroo:

gardengnome, is this patch in trunk?

[18:15:19]

fysa:

with a motherboard jumper to power your IR receiver, it may be possible to have any button on the remote wake it up.

[18:15:31]

sphery:

zambaroo: IMHO, switching from an ATI video card to an NVIDIA video card is definitely the best/easiest approach for fixing it.

[18:15:39]

squish103:

it is a ucb receiver

[18:15:41]

fysa:

look up USB +5v jumpers for your motherboard

[18:16:07]

zambaroo:

sphery, i used to have 3–4 nvidia cards that i gave away to friends. whatever possessed me to get an ati i dont know.

[18:17:31]

Dibblah:

janneg: http://www.pastebin.ca/514359

[18:17:42]

juski:

gbee: the bluetooth adapter is this one: ES-388 – just some random generic Chinese thing

[18:17:42]

Dibblah:

This is without --enable-liba52

[18:18:26]

** juski predicts somebody's gonna smoke their motherboard sometime soon :) **

[18:18:32]

gbee:

juski: thanks

[18:18:38]

zambaroo:

gbee, juski

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juski:

yeah go ahead & power your IR receiver from a USB port & connect rx to USB data+ .. just don't come crying to me

[18:19:16]

gardengnome:

heya juski

[18:19:22]

juski:

you need a micro for that kind of jazz!

[18:19:33]

juski:

hey gardengnome. s'up ?

[18:19:44]

gardengnome:

zambaroo: there is no "patch". you need to uncomment that define both in trunk and -fixes

[18:19:53]

janneg:

Dibblah: thanks. that has nothing to do with the sync

[18:19:54]

juski:

gardengnome: any more thoughts about banning me from the forums? I need to quit

[18:19:59]

zambaroo:

gardengnome, alright, thanks.

[18:20:07]

Dibblah:

janneg: Okay. That's odd :)

[18:20:17]

sphery:

zambaroo: The open source ATI driver should work, but I think you may lose a lot of 3D support (i.e. the OpenGL menus/Gallery transitions).

[18:20:24]

Dibblah:

Didn't happen before I applied this patch. I assume it's an upstream bug?

[18:20:26]

sphery:

Although I really don't know for sure.

[18:20:30]

sphery:

It's probably worth a try.

[18:20:31]

gardengnome:

juski: hunger & trying to figure out where superm1 put that mythweather patch

[18:20:46]

zambaroo:

sphery, screw'em, im first going to try this tuner in a weaker pc.

[18:20:47]

gardengnome:

juski: what have you done now?

[18:20:51]

zambaroo:

thanks for all the help.

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juski:

gardengnome: I can't stand by & watch users whine anymore. .."....problem is another project constraint which should be well advertised at the MythTV site before someone decides to spend $1000+ on a Myth Box. " :D

[18:22:33]

gardengnome:

juski: right, but the other half of his posting sounds like something you'd say. ;)

[18:23:00]

** Captain_Murdoch didn't know that the MythTV devs were in cahoots with hardware manufacturers and wonders if they/we are then where his monthly check is... **

[18:23:59]

juski:

gardengnome: so the mythtv site should warn users before they spend $$$$ on hardware? where do I apply to get my money back?

[18:24:49]

juski:

I'm gonna try & resist the temptation to go back & shout at people. Infact gonna try & resist the temptation to go back end of story. It's easier to give up smoking

[18:24:51]

janneg:

Dibblah: sorry, I forgot. it's a change of the old merge

[18:25:06]

sphery:

I guess I should go read the list...

[18:25:11]

sphery:

What post prompted this?'

[18:25:31]

juski:

sphery: er.. every single one I've seen in the last 7 days?

[18:25:43]

sphery:

Oh...

[18:26:32]

gbee:

well knocked another 10Mb off blootube-wide – although in this case the % reduction will actually be higher for other themes

[18:26:45]

** GlemSom wonders where he has seen the name "juski" before... Something says LFS... **

[18:27:17]

juski:

GlemSom: I doubt it

[18:27:45]

Dibblah:

Live for Speed, or some ill-fated waste of time? ;)

[18:27:55]

GlemSom:

hmm – must be my imagination then :P

[18:28:16]

gardengnome:

GlemSom: some kind of misanthropy congress? ;)

[18:28:29]

jonty:

gardengnome, thanks for that, I'd hit a bug with my TV card in the feisty kernel :)

[18:28:55]

GlemSom:

gardengnome, could be,,,

[18:28:58]

gardengnome:

jonty: :)

[18:29:01]

** stuarta wanders in from the pub and ask "has anyone seen the pizza place?" **

[18:29:35]

juski:

hey mythtv would suck if it wasnt for my themes, so shove it! :-P

[18:29:40]

juski:

</joke>

[18:29:48]

** stuarta beers juski **

[18:30:00]

Dibblah:

janneg: Oops.

[18:30:13]

Dibblah:

That'll be with the frontend autodiscovery patch?

[18:30:19]

juski:

so anyway where do I apply for my refund?

[18:30:24]

Dibblah:

That doesn't work with a remote? ;)

[18:30:28]

gardengnome:

juski: ebay. ;)

[18:30:45]

Dibblah:

Now I've got to find some way to plug a keyboard in :(

[18:30:49]

janneg:

Dibblah: yeah, it's my current frontend build

[18:30:54]

Dibblah:

:)

[18:31:07]

GlemSom:

I want a remote that can make coffee... or perhaps beer

[18:31:28]

janneg:

I wasn't aware that the auto discovery patch is in there

[18:32:18]

Dibblah:

Yup. Quite nice it looks too...

[18:33:52]

Dibblah:

Sees my backend.

[18:33:59]

Dibblah:

But I can't select it :((

[18:34:16]

Dibblah:

(Due to lack of remote in that screen)

[18:34:20]

juski:

automagical discovery now? oh noes! but you're gonna bring other stuff in to confuzzle noobs with, right?

[18:34:46]

directhex:

jonty, cx88 DVB cards aren't autodetected in feisty. add "cx88-dvb" to /etc/modules

[18:35:05]

jonty:

directhex, found that already ;)

[18:35:11]

directhex:

bah :p

[18:35:32]

gbee:

juski: the auto-discovery is good – been using it for a few weeks now

[18:35:46]

juski:

cool :)

[18:36:11]

Dibblah:

... Why is it rescaling my theme images?

[18:36:20]

** Dibblah has a bad feeling about this... **

[18:36:28]

juski:

I can't actually think of why it'd be useful though, but nevermind

[18:37:07]

gbee:

juski: means no more mysql.txt config

[18:37:14]

juski:

bingo!

[18:37:33]

gbee:

it just seems the backend, asks for the database config information and away it goes

[18:37:55]

gbee:

s/seems/sees/

[18:38:29]

Dibblah:

120% CPU in mythfrontend...

[18:38:29]

juski:

heh. time to give ProjectGrayhem-wide a treatment

[18:38:36]

Dibblah:

36% idle.

[18:38:52]

Dibblah:

Seems about 40% frame drops.

[18:39:29]

janneg:

Dibblah: it will rescale when after a new install

[18:41:20]

Dibblah:

Okay. With ogl sync on, it seems a lot better frame drop wise.

[18:41:46]

Dibblah:

Still 30% idle.

[18:42:18]

Dibblah:

Give me a moment to get it with -v playback...

[18:43:52]

gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3506 << Second version of patch up, manages another smaller reduction in memory consumption

[18:44:03]

gardengnome:

gbee: you are a star :)

[18:46:16]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: Inplace of the fisrt patch or on top of the first one ?

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sambiase:

hi....i have a USB DVB device and I would like to watch a HDTV channel...would that be possible with MythTv? H.264/AVC (ffmpeg) 1012x576(0x0)

[18:47:16]

stuarta:

depends mainly on the (other) hardware you have

[18:47:50]

gbee:

GreyFoxx: in place

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GreyFoxx:

k

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. No AC3 codec?

[18:49:40]

Dibblah:

sambiase: Depends on your processor mainly.

[18:49:53]

stuarta:

hence (other)

[18:50:09]

sambiase:

umm...u mean .. my CPU?

[18:50:18]

Dibblah:

Yes.

[18:50:20]

sambiase:

its a Pentiium 4 3,2ghz

[18:50:33]

stuarta:

borderline

[18:50:37]

Dibblah:

Probably not sufficient.

[18:50:44]

sambiase:

i cant play that channel using kaffeine

[18:50:47]

sambiase:

i just get the sound

[18:51:09]

stuarta:

sound is easy, video takes much more cpu

[18:51:34]

directhex:

3.2ghz p4? not happening

[18:52:04]

sambiase:

well..in #kaffeine they said that xine-lib still does not support H.264/AVC

[18:52:15]

directhex:

myth doesn't use xine.

[18:52:20]

directhex:

what's the actual name of the channel?

[18:52:29]

juski:

using windows codecs in linux is just wrong anyway. morally wrong

[18:52:45]

directhex:

juski, i haven't suggested it!

[18:52:59]

sambiase:

right...just did not know about it

[18:54:07]

juski:

hahaha my video driver is so broken. if I drag a window from monitor 1 to monitor 2, it goes garbage & has to be minimised & restored. works fine the other way

[18:54:34]

Dibblah:

XV window?

[18:54:39]

Servo888:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings | does not explain how to change keybindings...

[18:54:51]

directhex:

serves you right for having a big enough house to have multiple monitors on one machine!

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gbee:

Servo888: install the mythcontrols plugin

[18:55:46]

gbee:

Servo888: or use the settings pages in mythweb if you have installed it

[18:56:37]

juski:

ugh! that cleartype feels like beer googles

[18:57:43]

** juski goes to stop his wife watching Fartbeat **

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immolo:

goodluck

[19:00:21]

Anduin:

juski: It looks prettier with time

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zambaroo:

back to that samuel-2 box

[19:01:19]

immolo:

Servo888- what usb remote are you using?

[19:01:29]

zambaroo:

is there an hdparm equivalent for sd drives?

[19:01:35]

immolo:

I've not seen one that would work on my box

[19:01:40]

Servo888:

immolo: some Chinese made one, it functions as a standard usb keyboard though.

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Servo888:

immolo: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . d=1&rd=1

[19:03:39]

immolo:

Thanks

[19:03:50]

immolo:

and maybe this will help you http://gizmod.sourceforge.net/

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Servo888:

hence*

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Servo888:

yay it's working now =-)

[19:11:14]

Servo888:

God to make this remote work I went through too much work – we need more guis, there is no way in hell any Windows user would figure this out. First you need to map the keys by editing the xev file, then based on your desktop environment you need to then map the keys to certain functions. Lots of stuff =-/

[19:11:54]

GreyFoxx:

What sort of remote ?

[19:12:12]

stuarta:

remotes are a nightmare

[19:12:32]

Servo888:

GreyFoxx: this is just a plain Usb Remote that acts like a usb keyboard

[19:13:19]

GreyFoxx:

so does my remote, but I didn't do any of that

[19:13:45]

GreyFoxx:

though I editted the source to map the buttoms to the keys I wanted it to send so I cheated

[19:13:58]

GreyFoxx:

but I don't see why your desktop environment would come into play

[19:14:34]

Servo888:

GreyFoxx: I needed to tie some of the keys to console commands, such as one to turn off / on the monitor

[19:15:16]

GreyFoxx:

Hmm I wonder if eventd still exists, cause that would make it fairly simple

[19:15:29]

GreyFoxx:

eventd would watch for a specific key/scancode and execute a script

[19:15:38]

GreyFoxx:

dead simple to setup

[19:15:59]

Servo888:

hmm yes that seems like a better solution

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GreyFoxx:

I know I have the source of a version of it here.

[19:16:18]

GreyFoxx:

just not sure if there is a newer one

[19:16:34]

Servo888:

At any rate I have one more issue to resolve – my osd is black and white instead of color (the green / blue)

[19:16:34]

GreyFoxx:

<<-- keeps the source to everything he's downloaded in the last 11 years

[19:16:48]

GreyFoxx:

Servo888: are you using xvmc ?

[19:16:50]

Servo888:

I think it has to do with running xvmc

[19:16:52]

Servo888:

oh yes

[19:16:56]

GreyFoxx:

that's why it'

[19:16:59]

GreyFoxx:

s black and white

[19:17:05]

Servo888:

So that's normal?

[19:17:12]

GreyFoxx:

For people using xvmc it is

[19:17:26]

Servo888:

Ok – I recall using xvmc on previous versions of mythtv in color

[19:17:32]

GreyFoxx:

no, you didn't

[19:17:45]

GreyFoxx:

unless you used the chromaosd hack

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phil___:

GreyFoxx: yep he did with a @hack@

[19:17:57]

GreyFoxx:

and that only works with version cards

[19:18:04]

GreyFoxx:

s/version/certain

[19:18:09]

phil___:

GreyFoxx: Does the hack work with myth 20.0

[19:18:23]

GreyFoxx:

phil___: It's just a sql setting you have to enable I believe

[19:18:31]

GreyFoxx:

and you have to have the right nvidia cards

[19:18:44]

phil___:

Servo888: works with nvdia series 4 and 5 cards niothing above

[19:18:54]

Servo888:

I've got the 4000MX

[19:20:27]

Servo888:

Oh well – the B/W is fine for now.

[19:21:34]

phil___:

Servo888: Nevert got the hack to work on my setup with a 5200 and myth 20.0

[19:23:21]

kdub:

bleh

[19:23:28]

kdub:

how do you delete channels from a tuner

[19:23:51]

phil___:

kdub: you c an use mythweb

[19:24:27]

kdub:

alright

[19:24:29]

kdub:

ill try that

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kdub:

thanks

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kdub:

and all of my channel names are like "adding channel ##"

[19:25:12]

kdub:

what did i miss

[19:28:11]

Anduin:

kdub: You used the channel scanner

[19:28:48]

stuarta:

from 0.20

[19:29:15]

kdub:

heh

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planktonboy:

hi xris

[19:36:18]

xris:

:)

[19:41:26]

Captain_Murdoch:

planktonboy: I don't know anything about that remote code. I have a patch in my view in trac for the network control interface, but it's not a bugfix, so it's unrelated. you could try sniffing the network or putting some debug statements in NetworkControl::readClient to print out when it receives a command on the socket.

[19:41:41]

zambaroo:

ok so this box has a slower cpu and live tv is laggy. what can i do to improve performance?

[19:42:00]

Captain_Murdoch:

reduce your resolution/bitrate.

[19:43:00]

stuarta:

add more cpu

[19:43:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

I went with the free/non-hardware comment first, but the cpu option was my first though. ;)

[19:43:54]

zambaroo:

cant upgrade the cpu on this baby, it's built in :)

[19:44:08]

zambaroo:

so bit rate – i change that in the live tv profile?

[19:44:11]

stuarta:

and if you are on dvb you can't change the bitrate

[19:44:43]

stuarta:

and in this case ATSC ~= DVB

[19:44:55]

Captain_Murdoch:

zambaroo: what kind of capture card?

[19:45:24]

zambaroo:

Captain_Murdoch, pvr150

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janneg:

stuarta: did you see the multithreaded h264 patch?

[19:47:15]

gbee:

gardengnome: what theme were you using btw?

[19:47:27]

stuarta:

janneg: not yet no.

[19:48:00]

gardengnome:

gbee: i haven't tried your patch yet. i just saw the results and was flabbergasted :)

[19:48:11]

gbee:

ahh

[19:48:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

zambaroo: so yes, change the resolution/bitrate in the livetv profile and play with it to see what works best.

[19:48:55]

gbee:

thought there was a table in the wiki showing how much each theme consumed, but I can't find it now

[19:48:56]

janneg:

ok then wait, I'll do a cleaned version shortly

[19:49:34]

gardengnome:

gbee: janneg maintains one in our factoid bot

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stuarta:

i'll not be running any testing versions tonight. EPUB

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gbee:

gardengnome: is there a bot which tells me how to use the bot? ;)

[19:51:13]

gardengnome:

176m(221m, 20%),m blootube-wide: 233m (1 more message)

[19:51:18]

gardengnome:

(531m, 58%)

[19:51:27]

gardengnome:

i was going to /msg you, but i forgot my nickserv password ;)

[19:53:14]

janneg:

the 4:3 numbers are outdated

[19:53:28]

gardengnome:

janneg: juski is redoing his themes anyways

[19:53:31]

janneg:

I should add dates to the factoid

[19:54:19]

zambaroo:

some themes take up less ram than others?

[19:54:32]

Anduin:

zambaroo: of course

[19:54:41]

zambaroo:

what's the least consuming?

[19:54:55]

gardengnome:

can you read?

[19:55:00]

zambaroo:

i was just thinking earlier that i want a minimal theme

[19:55:03]

zambaroo:

sometimes.

[19:55:13]

Anduin:

zambaroo: prettiest is the best way to pick, so MythCenter

[19:55:28]

zambaroo:

iulis 51mb

[19:55:51]

zambaroo:

i wonder if i even have that..

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janneg:

Mythcenter has imho the best pretty ram ration

[19:56:31]

janneg:

-n

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GreyFoxx:

and with gbee's latest patches my ram usage went with mythcenter dropped to 35m

[19:58:51]

Anduin:

It would be nice to have a general purpose image cache we could reuse

[19:58:59]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[19:59:19]

stuarta:

i vote gbee to implement it!

[19:59:30]

GreyFoxx:

I hacked up one yesterday for mythvideo to store teh scaled coverfiles so they wouldn't get rescaled each time. a General one would be nice

[19:59:36]

GreyFoxx:

as it would be cool for album covers and such too

[20:01:13]

gbee:

Anduin: a general purpose cache, belonging to mythcontext was what I originally started to implement – but this was slightly easier

[20:01:14]

Anduin:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, in mythvideo the problem is persistence, could be fixed

[20:01:59]

GreyFoxx:

Anduin: Basically everytime an image is scaled I store a png of the scaled version. then the next call to load the image looks for the prescaled one first and loads it, otherwise carries on as normal

[20:02:15]

GreyFoxx:

made a huge difference moving through video list and mythgallery after it had scaled them the first time

[20:02:17]

Anduin:

gbee: If you do implement it it would be nice to be able to categorize them, many images won't be shared outside a plugin for example.

[20:02:27]

gbee:

If I get the time I might go back and create a global cache – I'm probably going to have to because right now plugins load all the menu image again

[20:04:02]

gbee:

Anduin: yeah

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Anduin:

gbee: Yeah, and make it a drop in replacement for MythVideo's ImageCache so I don't have to do anything :)

[20:05:01]

gbee:

hehe

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xris:

ah

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gbee:

BUT and it's a BIG BUT, I reckon I could save a lot of memory in mepo

[20:08:38]

xris:

oh?

[20:08:57]

gbee:

if you look at the watermarks dir, you'll see lots of identical images with different names

[20:09:25]

xris:

what about switching to a behind-the-scenes cacher/loader with an on-demand override? that'd certainly save startup time. but definitely more complex

[20:09:37]

xris:

ahh

[20:10:24]

stuarta:

IIRC juski was asking about renaming theme images earlier today

[20:10:57]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/coverdiskcache.diff is the videocover caching patch I'm using right now. Only thing it doesn't do is have any sort of cleanup for if the user changes themes/resolutions and I harcoded the path to where I'm storing the cache files for the moment

[20:11:16]

GreyFoxx:

but if a global/generic caching routine comes in that would be better

[20:14:23]

GreyFoxx:

if the generic cache was like ~mythtv/.mythtv/imagecache/themename/800x600/CATEGORY/ it would make clean up a snap later if the resolution/theme changed :)

[20:17:01]

xris:

although I don't do that much recently

[20:17:34]

GreyFoxx:

I agree, we should only clear up the old stuff if that resolution/theme hasn't been used in say a week

[20:18:07]

GreyFoxx:

so each frontend startup we touch afile in the themename/resolution directory to let us know we've used it recently and not to remove it

[20:18:16]

janneg:

stuarta: http://www.grunau.be/ffmpeg_9132_mt_h264.diff.bz2

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GreyFoxx:

but if we check and that combo hadn't been used in a week then clear it out

[20:18:50]

janneg:

Dibblah: I've updated patch and removed unrelated parts

[20:18:56]

xris:

GreyFoxx: or have some sort of check in the root directory to know if it should all be blown away

[20:19:19]

xris:

on-demand loading with background generation would clear up most speed concerns, too.

[20:19:39]

xris:

since you'd only need to render the first page before showing it, and then have everything else load in the background.

[20:19:52]

FunkyELF:

hey guys, can I get some mysql help here....I need to let my xbox connect to the database and its not working. I commented out the bind-address line in my.conf

[20:20:21]

stuarta:

janneg: that on top of latest svn mythtv?

[20:20:25]

Anduin:

FunkyELF: Look in the main docs for allowing other hosts access.

[20:20:38]

Anduin:

FunkyELF: binding isn't the only issue

[20:20:40]

janneg:

stuarta: yes

[20:20:47]

WattoDaToydarian:

Hello everyone, I am getting a mythtv configure error on my PXE boot frontend box with a nfs root filesystem. The error is "endian test failed" is there a fix for this?

[20:21:24]

FunkyELF:

Anduin, well... I copied the line from /usr/share/mythtv/database/something.sql where it granted access....I just changed the word localhost to the IP of the xbox

[20:22:01]

Anduin:

FunkyELF: try '%', if it works then narrow

[20:22:36]

FunkyELF:

GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@% IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv";

[20:22:38]

FunkyELF:

like that?

[20:23:15]

janneg:

stuarta: configure with --enable-liba52 if you need ac3

[20:23:30]

stuarta:

not round here :)

[20:24:47]

FunkyELF:

Anduin, do you know how to show the current permissions against the database?

[20:24:49]

janneg:

even not BBC HD?

[20:25:19]

stuarta:

err, actually yes :)

[20:26:14]

gbee:

hmm, anyone else noticing a large leak when switching between themes?

[20:26:18]

Anduin:

FunkyELF: you can connect to the mysql DB and select from the user and db tables

[20:26:31]

Anduin:

FunkyELF: or use one of the MySQL admin tools

[20:27:45]

janneg:

gbee: I'm switching themes with -O Theme=x, so no

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FunkyELF:

Anduin, hmm, having the "%" didn't work either

[20:32:57]

Scuzzle:

I don't suppose anyone here know a lot about MPEG Transport Streams do they?

[20:33:44]

WattoDaToydarian:

Scuzzle: What do you want to know?

[20:33:52]

gbee:

I don't think we're cleaning up properly, but I need to restart now because I'm out of memory!

[20:33:59]

stuarta:

Scuzzle: yes.

[20:34:16]

stuarta:

a few of us do.

[20:34:44]

Scuzzle:

You already answered my question on #myth stuarta :)

[20:34:53]

stuarta:

:)

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Scuzzle:

The thing I'm looking for WattoDaToydarian is a way to handcraft a Program Map Table for a DVB-T stream.

[20:37:23]

WattoDaToydarian:

Scuzzle: is that the ID's for the a/v streams? I think there is a program that can modify them.

[20:38:03]

stuarta:

WattoDaToydarian: not really, you've not quite got PMT's yet

[20:38:12]

Scuzzle:

Yes, it's the table that lists all the ID's that make up a program, so all the video, audio, etc.

[20:38:35]

stuarta:

that's a yes and no :)

[20:38:50]

Scuzzle:

Well, umm...

[20:38:59]

Scuzzle:

Yes and no, what he said. :)

[20:39:16]

stuarta:

i feel that in this instance i was less correct than Scuzzle

[20:39:40]

WattoDaToydarian:

oh, are you wanting to modify the program IDs or modify the table?

[20:39:58]

stuarta:

Scuzzle: they aren't really difficult, dig out the spec, it tell you what to put wher

[20:40:01]

stuarta:

e

[20:40:03]

Scuzzle:

The problem it that 'etc' can be rather large. And there's a pile of meta-data involved too.

[20:40:48]

Scuzzle:

Are the specs. publically available? I thought they were all "pay us to give you a copy" and I'm not sure I'm to that stage yet.

[20:40:59]

stuarta:

Scuzzle: lets keep this in this channel :)

[20:41:22]

stuarta:

as for the specs, work out which spec it is, and then find the "draft"

[20:41:31]

Scuzzle:

Yup, wanting to try and remove an audio stream from a program. Well, just from the table, not the whole stream.

[20:41:34]

stuarta:

it'll do for 99% of what you need

[20:42:13]

stuarta:

i'm guessing that the receiver only deal with PS rather the TS input

[20:42:18]

WattoDaToydarian:

Does anyone know the answer to the problem what I'm having?

[20:42:57]

stuarta:

the major difference between PS & TS streams is that PS stream can only have 1 video and 1 audio

[20:43:18]

Anduin:

FunkyELF: can you connect with mysql -h blah -u mythtv -p mythconverg?

[20:43:47]

Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: you can look at configure and try the endian test to see exactly why it fails

[20:43:49]

Scuzzle:

It at least knows how to throw away data it doesn't need. As when I hand NULL'ed the first two packets of the offending stream and left everything else, it plays fine.

[20:44:13]

janneg:

no, ps can have up to 8 audio streams, irrc

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janneg:

think of multilanguage dvds

[20:44:36]

Scuzzle:

I just don't know if it's paying any attention to the PMT, if so, I could just remove the audio stream there. It doesn't occur very many times in a Myth recorded stream.

[20:44:42]

stuarta:

i'd guess it's being generous in throwing away streams that aren't audio or video....

[20:45:04]

Scuzzle:

And and 'ectra' audio streams :(

[20:45:09]

Scuzzle:

extra, even.

[20:45:36]

Scuzzle:

janneg, it may just be the player I;m dealing with that can only handle one.,

[20:45:44]

stuarta:

given the number of non compliant providers out there it just "makes things work better"

[20:45:53]

janneg:

but ps streams have to have a constant number of streams

[20:46:29]

stuarta:

in practice, at least with myth, they've only ever had 1+1 streams

[20:46:41]

Scuzzle:

I didn't think that PS's were packetised the same way TS's are... or am I confusing specs?

[20:47:04]

stuarta:

the packetization is done at ES level

[20:47:14]

janneg:

stuarta: no, I have transcoded recordings with 3 audio streams

[20:47:25]

Scuzzle:

Hey, my recorded Myth TV TS has about 7 streams in it, 1 Video, 2 Audio, 1 Subtitle and another 3 or so data for some reason.

[20:47:36]

WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: I'm not sure how to find what command does the test

[20:47:36]

Scuzzle:

Lots of 'wasted' space.

[20:48:01]

stuarta:

janneg: yeah, but they are normally originally in TS not PS

[20:48:40]

Scuzzle:

I take it there's no way to tell Myth to only record 1 Video, 1 Audio and 1 Subtitle if present is there?

[20:48:51]

Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: open configure search for little-endian, the test is after

[20:50:27]

janneg:

stuarta: we might speak about different things

[20:50:36]

stuarta:

quite possibly

[20:51:10]

WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: all I see is where it will say the test failed and exit the script

[20:51:48]

Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: Uh, the test is the #include <inttype.h> etc

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WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: I pasted the 4 lines after "#include <inttypes.h>" and got "syntax error near unexpected token" a few times and a "volatile: command not found"

[20:55:12]

WattoDaToydarian:

pasted into the terminal

[20:55:32]

Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: paste into test.c, gcc test.c

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Laurent_:

hello there

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WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: Umm I have a file named "test", do I paste the 4 lines after I type test?

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Laurent_:

I've got a little problem with my new myth tv box, so I ask hoping you can show me a way to solve it...

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Scuzzle:

Ask and someone may answer if they know how to help.

[20:59:37]

Laurent_:

Each recorded livetv program appears two times in the recorded progrtam section.

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Laurent_:

and mor problematic... :

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Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: Use your favorite editor to make a test.c file with the content of the test, compile it

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Laurent_:

(but they exist because the interface says me taht there is 34 recorded show! (instead of 17!)

[21:01:38]

WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: OOOHHHH, of course!

[21:01:40]

Laurent_:

perhaps an mysql problem?

[21:02:00]

Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: actually, just look in config.err

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theshadow:

If a transcoding fails where is the error log? just /var/log?

[21:03:09]

WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: That file is kina long

[21:03:21]

Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: Luckily what you want will be at the end

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tank-man:

theshadow, probably the mythbackend log

[21:03:51]

WattoDaToydarian:

at the very end it says "endian test failed" and the line b4 that says "/tmp/ffmpeg-conf-32396-11517–3106.c:5: error: expected '{' at end of input"

[21:04:15]

kdub:

hey is there a website that has qam channel numbers listed

[21:04:26]

kdub:

i can only pick up 2 of the 5 i should in a scan

[21:04:55]

theshadow:

Table './mythconverg/recordedseek' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

[21:04:58]

WattoDaToydarian:

kdub: try antennaweb.com

[21:05:01]

theshadow:

what do I do about that?

[21:05:24]

Scuzzle:

stuarta, I'm getting an awful lot of 'buy it' and extracts searching for the 11172–1 standards, are you pretty sure I'll be able to find a free draft somewhere?

[21:05:37]

stuarta:

yes definitely

[21:05:56]

Scuzzle:

Ok, thanks, I'll keep hunting.

[21:06:03]

stuarta:

the trick is to work out the esti number, then google for "draft"

[21:07:03]

janneg:

or search just for pdfs

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janneg:

file:pdf or similar

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Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: anything before that?

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kdub:

where do you get QAM channel numbers on antennaweb?

[21:09:24]

theshadow:

any one?

[21:10:01]

stuarta:

mysqlcheck

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WattoDaToydarian:

kdub: they are the digital channels

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Anduin:

theshadow: You use MySQL to repair the table

[21:10:31]

WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: there is a lot before that line, nothing that I can understand

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kdub:

eh?

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WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: can I send you the file?

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Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: put the last ~10 lines on a paste site

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kdub:

its like 36.1

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kdub:

when i scan i get 1009–507

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WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: I pasted everything that I think is relevant http://pastebin.ca/514670

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WattoDaToydarian:

kdub: sorry it's www.antennaweb.org

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Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: You have broken system headers, making inttypes.h fail

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WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: so I need to reinstall the kernel headers?

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Anduin:

WattoDaToydarian: glibc-headers or whatever has sys/cdefs.h for you

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juski:

I dunno. leave a woman alone with a telly & she'll watch any old rubbish.

[21:25:55]

Daviey:

"Shipwrecked" :(

[21:26:24]

juski:

narrowly averted a fartbeat incident tonight.. thank $deity the best of top gear was on!

[21:28:40]

juski:

anybody see Click this week? they covered "how to get your media onto your TV with minimum of fuss". they should come see mythtv sometime

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gardengnome:

"make it more complicated than ever"

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gardengnome:

;)

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juski:

they had a mini review of some network media players. some dlink thing & a netgear effort. oh and that box that stole neon-wide

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juski:

the appletv looks nice. the others.. sucky in the extreme.

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tjcarter:

someone actually stole neon-wide?

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Daviey:

juski: i emailed click re – mythtv = "Thankyou for your interest blah"

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juski:

yeah. I'm thinking of contacting a lawyer about it :-P

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gardengnome:

tjcarter: yeah. those apple guys

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juski:

Daviey: hmmm. they're a bit "eeew linux" aren't they

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Daviey:

yes sir

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juski:

they claim to be platform agnostic but they're not really

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Daviey:

It was like the sabdfl interview – I'm an astronaught – btw ubuntu is for people who can't afford real OS's & africans

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tjcarter:

gardengnome: I don't think ï£¿tv looks at all like neon.

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juski:

tjcarter: that's good. can I quote you in court?

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tjcarter:

juski: are they suing?

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theshadow:

How do I restart the job queue after getting an error?

[21:35:24]

juski:

do you think it'd still be available if they were?

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juski:

theshadow: information centre – job control

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WattoDaToydarian:

Anduin: I reinstalled libc6-dev and now configure works! Thanks a lot!

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tjcarter:

It's not on the themes wiki page? =)

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theshadow:

juski I only have Weather and System Status as options

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juski:

tjcarter: it's not? OMG!

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juski:

oh wait. I remember now. I don't get any hits from the wiki

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juski:

so I didn't bother linking

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juski:

theshadow: job control is in system status

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tjcarter:

you've revised ProjectGrayhem since I last downloaded it too, nice.

[21:38:41]

juski:

tjcarter: yup. it sucked before

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xris:

heh

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xris:

really need a way to auto-update themes

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xris:

*that* would be a good use of torrents, etc.

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tjcarter:

juski: less than others I saw, but yes ;)

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juski:

-wide is next

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xris:

still need to get auto-wide-detection, too.

[21:39:56]

juski:

actually I must've taken both gheyhem themes off the wiki

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juski:

ach.. anyway I don't get a single hit from the wiki so I don't think I'll bother

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theshadow:

juski: thanks, ... what do I do if the error log has "Unknown Video Codec:" in the error message... I set it to MPEG-4 at least I thought I did.

[21:40:52]

juski:

theshadow: you didn't

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juski:

do so & the error will go away :)

[21:41:25]

theshadow:

juski: ok fair enough, would you mind telling me where I set that up so I don't screw it up again?

[21:41:58]

juski:

utils/setup > settings > tv > recording profiles > transcoders

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tjcarter:

speaking of which

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tjcarter:

I need to make all of those lossless with KM

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Laurent_:

Anybody knows if there a way to force mplayer option to -vo gl2 instead of -vo xv for _livetv_ ???

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juski:

xris: screenshots @ www.juski.co.uk/new/

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xris:

thx

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juski:

Laurent_: whatever makes you think mythtv uses mplayer?

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Anduin:

Laurent_: mplayer isn't used for live tv, if you are using it specifying parameters is easy

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Laurent_:

:( bad

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xris:

juski: still has that weird artifact in the bottom right

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juski:

awww poor ATI card owners with no Xv

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juski:

xris: I got rid of it for the release :)

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Laurent_:

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xris:

heh

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tjcarter:

juski: I'm having a hard time disputing blootube-wide as a great alternative though. There's too much white in the Watch TV image, but the theme is very nice

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kormoc:

Laurent_, you're out of luck then

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xris:

looks good, though. (not that I remember in detail what it looked like before)

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juski:

tjcarter: GIMP is out there. learn it :-P

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juski:

xris: for your benefit I'll do a before & after shot

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Laurent_:

for films (that seems to use mplayer -vo gl2 works very good) I was thinking that livetv was using mplyer... isn't it the case?

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tjcarter:

the OSD is great too

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Anduin:

Laurent_: It isn't the case

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theshadow:

juski: Hate to interrupt but you didn't tell me how to select an active transcoder <_<

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Laurent_:

... arf.. ok...

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gbee:

tjcarter: I really like the white in the Watch TV image, don't go putting ideas into Juski's head or he'll redo blootube like he redid grayhem

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warlord:

Hi. I've searched the list archives and google and lots of other places and haven't found an answer.. I've got an HD Homerun and Myth sees it just fine.. But when I try to scan for channels they just all timeout and I don't get anything.

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Laurent_:

I've also seen that when I use epg in livetv, the livetv preview in top right is put in top left in my case and is trashy... is this also due to ATI???

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juski:

gbee: some of the watermarks in blootube-wide suck too :)

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juski:

Laurent_: yup

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kormoc:

Laurent_, likely

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Laurent_:

... f...

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gbee:

juski: some of them could _probably_ be improved, but I wouldn't want my favourites to disappear :)

[21:54:31]

Laurent_:

Perhaps , there is a way to force disabling of livetv preview in EPG???

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juski:

Laurent_: edit the ui.xml file

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Laurent_:

ho ok

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Laurent_:

I'll take a look at it, thx

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kdub:

asdf

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tjcarter:

gbee: But I like the grayhem reboot =)

[21:55:52]

Laurent_:

I'm finishing the install so i'm correcting the little bug i can see...

[21:56:21]

warlord:

anyone got any ideas for me and how to get Myth to scan the HDHR? (I'm running r13508 on trunk)

[21:56:22]

gbee:

tjcarter: I like blootube the way it is ;)

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kdub:

is there a better way to do qam than the channel scanner

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tjcarter:

is there a reason the white behind the TV is appealing?

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kdub:

i can only pick up 2 freakin channels

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gbee:

tjcarter: is there a reason I like the colour green, long walks or certain music?

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tjcarter:

kdub: that's all you're likely to get that way then =(

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kdub:

people on avsforums are saying they get 5

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kdub:

could it be a crappy signal?

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kdub:

the two i get come in perfect though

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Laurent_:

by the way, my channel pictures don't show up. I've got the pictures in ~/.mythtv/channels/*.gif, If i use titivillus (that is ok) nothing appear, so i've tryed GANT theme and it tries to look in /root/.mythtv subfolder! Is this a config problem or theme.xml problem ?_?

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tjcarter:

nope, your cableco are bastards.

[21:59:13]

juski:

gbee: I doubt any of my themes is every going to stay the same

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kdub:

other people with time warner in austin report getting 5 channels

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tjcarter:

which do you not get?

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gbee:

juski: when the time comes I'll either accept the changes or fork my own version :p

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kdub:

i only get abc and nbc

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Dibblah:

janneg: Are there any performance differences in the new patch?

[22:00:22]

kdub:

missing cbs, fox and pbs

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tjcarter:

hehe gbee

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juski:

bugger. can't remember how to check out an old version from my own repo. normally I use svn export /usr/share/mythtv/themes/$dirname

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gbee:

svn export -r 1234

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tjcarter:

juski: svn expor...nevermind

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warlord:

Well, when I scan from the hdhomerun_config program I see LOTS of channels. But Myth doesn't

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kdub:

arnt those the encrypted qam

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tjcarter:

so what we need is a cablecard interface for PCs and then a libcablecardqam ...

[22:04:54]

tjcarter:

of course if Jon Johansen did it, it'd require .nut

[22:06:28]

warlord:

No, I know for a fact that most of my QAM channels are not encrypted, because I can tune them directly on my TV which has the same cable source plugged in. (not using the cablebox)

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tjcarter:

warlord: your TV does QAM without a cablecard?

[22:07:08]

janneg:

Dibblah: I don't think so

[22:07:23]

janneg:

you got 40% framedrops?

[22:08:23]

warlord:

tjcarter: yep

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warlord:

(unencrypted QAM, of course)

[22:08:47]

Dibblah:

It's not quite that bad with OGL sync.

[22:08:49]

juski:

xris: www.juski.co.uk/compare.png – before & after respectively

[22:09:14]

Dibblah:

But still, it's jerky.

[22:09:15]

tjcarter:

I don't know what minet encrypts

[22:09:26]

xris:

ah, yes. much nicer...

[22:09:31]

Dibblah:

And not eating all CPU, either, which is confusing.

[22:09:39]

juski:

it's .. maturing :)

[22:09:44]

Dibblah:

Don't see any hotspots with oprofile.

[22:11:03]

janneg:

Dibblah: which CPU?

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Dibblah:

X2 4000+

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Laurent_:

juski: ok modifing the ui.xml (somewhat) solved my preview problem!

[22:11:46]

janneg:

with my streams it would be more than enough

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Laurent_:

any idea for my channel icon problem?

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Dibblah:

This is BBC HD.

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janneg:

yeah, I know. my streams are from Premiere HD

[22:13:41]

janneg:

18–20mbit/s 1080p 25fps

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gbee:

juski: comparing the old vs new, it could justifiably be called ProjectBlackhem now :)

[22:14:53]

Dibblah:

I don't have space for 19.2 on my dish, or money for their card/CAM :(

[22:15:05]

AeroIllini:

can I use mythtv with sqlite instead of mysql?

[22:15:05]

gbee:

Laurent_: channels icons are unrelated to themes, it's probably looking in /root/.mythtv because your running mythfrontend as root?

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gbee:

AeroIllini: no, sqlite can't cope

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janneg:

nor available DVB-S2 equipment

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Dibblah:

True, in fact.

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gbee:

AeroIllini: but in the future we'll be using embedded mysql anyway

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Laurent_:

well taht the problem... i'm using cd ~mythtv

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Laurent_:

su;mythtv -c 'source /etc/profile;startx'

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AeroIllini:

gbee, so I need to install a full mysql on a frontend?

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Laurent_:

so i'm running mythfrontend as mythtv user

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janneg:

I get it over DVB-C and they have nice trial subscriptions

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** gbee should probably stop talking about embedded mysql because eventually people will expect it to happen **

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kormoc:

AeroIllini, no, the frontends can use the backend's mysql server

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tjcarter:

WEIRD

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tjcarter:

juski: I still have the old pg pictures?

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warlord:

Man, upgrading from 0.18 to 0.20/0.21pre and so many issues! I can't seem to get native LIRC working, either. :(

[22:18:18]

tjcarter:

I think I have a cache somewhere that needs deleting

[22:18:35]

Laurent_:

I don't understand why it looks in root directory and in mythtv directory for other settings...

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kormoc:

Laurent_, cause su doesn't change the env vars, so $HOME still points to /root

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Laurent_:

ok will take a lookat your idea

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kormoc:

Laurent_, add in a -l and it should update the env correctly

[22:20:06]

Laurent_:

perhaps an env-update before...

[22:20:14]

Laurent_:

ok

[22:20:18]

Laurent_:

I try it

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AeroIllini:

how about openGL? can I run a frontend without it?

[22:20:33]

janneg:

Dibblah: my BBC HD sample plays fine with 135% CPU at 1.8Ghz. but it is older

[22:21:06]

kormoc:

AeroIllini, as long as the painter is set to qt, yes

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Dibblah:

I don't have access to the box at the moment, but do you have a link to that sample?

[22:21:34]

AeroIllini:

kormoc, ok, thanks

[22:22:39]

Dibblah:

If it's easy. Don't worry if not.

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janneg:

no, I got the sample privately. but I'm downloading http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/23058/BBC_HD1.ts now

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warlord:

Well, at least I think I figured out my lirc problem...

[22:27:04]

juski:

tjcarter: clear your themecache

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Laurent_:

kormoc, it hasn't work... what is strange is that all other config file are taken into mythtv user directory... The other thing is that when using titivillus theme, It seems that it will never take a look at the pictures, and when using gant theme it takes a look at root directory... that's why I asked if this setting was in the ui.xml file...

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Laurent_:

really strange...

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gbee:

Laurent_: titivillus may not include the space for icons, I don't know exactly because it's an old theme and I've not used it in two years

[22:31:26]

Laurent_:

ha ok that could explain a part of my problem

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xris:

wtf is up with these media center cases with 60mm fans

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gbee:

Laurent_: you might be better off looking at a better way of auto-starting mythfrontend

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Laurent_:

ok i'll study that!

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gbee:

oh and the reason why some config files are loaded correctly and some aren't is just because the different parts of mythtv were written at different times – they do the same thing, but in different ways

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gbee:

Laurent_: look into setting up the mythtv user to auto-login and then starting mythfrontend in .xinitrc or a bash script

[22:36:43]

gbee:

right, I'm off to bed

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tjcarter:

why do we scale images for OpenGL? =D

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Dibblah:

To get proper antialiasing.

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Laurent_:

because some people have ati boards?

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tjcarter:

I'm pretty sure OpenGL can do that. =D

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Dibblah:

Shockingly enough, most cards are designed for many polys on screen at once and the scaling is sub-par for what would be expected.

[22:38:59]

tjcarter:

oh, ATI.

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tjcarter:

I neglected to consider that ATI sucks

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Laurent_:

well they only sucks for XV support ;)

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tjcarter:

No, I used to do OpenGL development. Trust me, ATI sucks ;)

[22:41:33]

janneg:

Dibblah: I found already a shorter sample which causes havoc. the video is simultaneously 30 frames ahead and behind :(

[22:42:24]

Dibblah:

Okay... But that's not a multithread issue, is it?

[22:43:15]

janneg:

no, it's either an error in the stream or a pts/dts parsing problem

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Dibblah:

Maybe I should try this raw with ffmpeg on the file itsself...

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Dibblah:

ffplay , etc...

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janneg:

ffplay seems to have issues to

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xris:

anyone have a favorite place to get htpc case parts, etc?

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juski:

gbee: so if I were to change upcoming recording, prev recording, mythnews, mythbrowser, programfinder watermarks would you object?

[22:46:47]

gbee:

well after firing up mfe to check, no not attached to any of those :)

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theshadow:

Alright, how do I requeue my previous recordings?

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juski:

wicked. nor am I, not have I ever been

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gbee:

don't have mn or mb installed anyway

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juski:

gonna have a huge rss logo for mythnews, as it should be

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juski:

with a reflection beneath, as is de-regeur these days

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juski:

*de-rigeur even ?

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juski:

aanyway it'll look even more spiffier

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gbee:

cool

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directhex:

my dsl's gone to hell today :/

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juski:

mythFM

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gbee:

I use a slightly modified version of blootube anyway – I've got a custom menu with the "Play DVD" button on the first page, so I switch that watermark with the mythvideo one as it looks classier

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juski:

I've never been very sure of the optical watermarks

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juski:

photographing shiny discs well is difficult

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juski:

one idea I'll toy with is making the whole watermark look embossed

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gbee:

right now I've two identical watermarks on the first page – I've got Watch Recordings and Manage Recordings there :/

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Laurent_:

good night every body

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theshadow:

<_< anyone?

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gbee:

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7433/custommenuid1.png

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gbee:

theshadow: not sure what you were asking

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theshadow:

Ok I just went back and setup automatic transcoding but now I have several prerecoded shows that I would like to go back and transcode, how can I put them into the job queue?

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gbee:

in "Watch Recordings" press "right", "Job Options" etc

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theshadow:

ah

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juski:

bah that doesn't work. ah well.

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warlord:

Okay, lirc fixed. Now to focus on the HDHR. Nobody has any idea why myth can't scan?

[23:13:30]

juski:

ah but of course.. what other possible use for my 2ndary display than for watching recordings while I 'work'?

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** zambaroo is back **

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dr_willis:

juski, i keep log windows and mythtv. and.. other gizmos on there. :)

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dr_willis:

once i learned how to make mythtvfrontend always show on it when ran.

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newbie0034:

Hi I'm looking for a way to save hard drive space, is there a way to store the recordings as a different type without the commericals?

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hads:

You may tracnscode them

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hads:

s/tracnscode/transcode/

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newbie0034:

I do transcode them, there is a setting I set when recording a show

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newbie0034:

I looked though the the setup I couldn't find a way to lower the resolution

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's in the transcoding profile

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newbie0034:

hmm,, I just checked I have about 80 hours of video, and it's taking up 300 gigs

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newbie0034:

I was thinking it would be less than 80 gigs,, even less

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kormoc:

newbie0034, you could always (assuming non-dvb) just record them at a lower quality to start with as well

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newbie0034:

is that setting in the mythtv-setup?

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kormoc:

under recording profiles

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newbie0034:

thanks I'll look though it

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newbie0034:

do you think it would be worth it to store the shows outside of mythtv as a divx format?

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dr_willis:

i am working on making my box vonvert them all to avi's with avidumix for playback on my gp2x

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dr_willis:

depends on your needs i guess

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GreyFoxx:

dr_willis: Can't use nuvexport for that ?

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kormoc:

dr_willis, nuvexport works well for that

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dr_willis:

GreyFoxx, perhaps. But i been using Auvidmix all week :)

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dr_willis:

manually.

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dr_willis:

heh

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dr_willis:

working on getting it automated.

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kormoc:

nothing like re-inventing the wheel

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dr_willis:

learn a new tool. or use the one i know thats scriptable as well. :)

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kormoc:

feature set is more important imho. having nuvexport understand myth's commflags and so it can cut them out and all that jazz is a bit nice

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dr_willis:

that would be nice.

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dr_willis:

but heck – i just watch the show/avi once then trash it.

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Blaksmith:

ok, odd situation... new machine, mythtv records fine, got the channels off of zap2it.. BUT, it seems the schedule is 3 hours off...

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Blaksmith:

local time on the machine is correct, and my acct with zap2it is correct..

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kormoc:

timezone?

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Blaksmith:

Sun May 27 16:48:27 PDT 2007

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Blaksmith:

is there a timezone setting in mythtv?

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dr_willis:

there was that dst stuff that had to get tweaked a few weeks ago. (months?)

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Blaksmith:

but that would be just 1 hour off, not 3

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xris:

tormen0815: first off, what are you trying to do?

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tormen0815:

I would like to use mythtv to record RJPEG video as it uses less cpu.

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xris:

right.

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xris:

but what does that have to do with mplayer?

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tormen0815:

As mythtranscode is unable to convert the some rjpeg it produced itself because of the mysterious error 247

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tormen0815:

I want to use mencoder to reencode the files to smaller files.

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tormen0815:

But mplayer and mencoder are not able to read the files with video.

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tormen0815:

...even though on the mplayer.hu website is written: "support for some more MythTV NUV files"

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xris:

if mythtranscode can't transcode it, there's something else wrong

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xris:

have you tried other recordings to see if they work any better?

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tormen0815:

I really have regularily a lot of recordings that always have the same error.

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tormen0815:

Thats why it seems systematic (but on the side of mythtv)

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tormen0815:

2007-05–27 13:45:28.659 NVR: lame error '-1'

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tormen0815:

2007-05–27 13:45:28.668 Transcode: Encountered irrecoverable error in NVR::WriteAudio

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tormen0815:

2007-05–27 13:45:28.669 Transcoding /LINKS/tv/myth/Harald_Schmidt_#_#_2007-05–10,2245.00.nuv failed

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tormen0815:

echo "$?"

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tormen0815:

247

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tormen0815:

Always the same.

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xris:

what version of mythtv, etc?

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tormen0815:

I also googled for this error first. Seems I am not the only one.

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tormen0815:

;-)

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GreyFoxx:

Looks like the lame mp3 library is returning the error

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xris:

GreyFoxx: thanks. I completely missed that.

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kormoc:

tormen0815, have you run revdep-rebuild lately?

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tormen0815:

Yes. But "-1" is not a standard error code

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tormen0815:

kormoc: not latly, but I will now.

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tormen0815:

kormoc: (even though I don't think it will help)

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janneg:

"-1" is probably the common error return value

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GreyFoxx:

torr: standard erro or not, it's coming back from the calls to lame_encode_buffer or lame_encode_buffer_interleaved

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tormen0815:

But mythfrontend can play the whole file(s) with sound!

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