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Saturday, May 26th, 2007, 00:04 UTC

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: weird, bet you wish it had just used usleep, would be nice to know what it does to RTC, good wiki entry though

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: Usleep? I'm not familiar with that. (And I just finished now editing the wiki, reorganized it slightly to make more sense since there appears to be more than one cause for this issue now)

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: It is the last resort for sync timings (man 3 usleep), right after RTC (it goes something like DRM, OGL, RTC, usleep, note, my order is probably wrong, but it is close)

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Tanthrix:

I am not really familiar with what sync times are, other than that I know they exist and have to do with the kernel

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Anduin:

ah, nVidia, DRM, (optionally GL), RTC, usleep

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Anduin:

It is just how we know when to do stuff like display a frame

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Tanthrix:

My BIOS enabled this HPET thing by default, so it wasn't my doing (As I don't even know what it is! ;)

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Anduin:

Yeah, I don't understand how that would cause RTC to fail, would be interesting but not so much that I'm willing to do it (naturally).

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: RTC is still being used after your change?

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Tanthrix:

Before and after

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Anduin:

If I were a better MythTV dev I'd make a test program for you to run.

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, well if you want me to poke around to try anything out, I would be more than happy to do so

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: I'd encourage you to send something to the maillist where the changes that someone will look at it are possibly better.

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Anduin:

er chances

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Tanthrix:

Yah, I was thinking the same thing

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Tanthrix:

Users or dev?

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: dev

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Tanthrix:

Will do. A bit later tonight though, gotta run for now

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Tanthrix:

Thanks again for your help last night

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: Yeah, not that I was much help, I'm also not seeing how it failed this badly, unless it got stuck in a read, anyway, thanks for updating the wiki, hopefully someone can look at it.

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mzb:

hi all, I've been unable to compile lirc modules for 2.6.2x, but I've had some success setting up a pixelview remote (card=72) using evdev. (I assume the problems are to do with bit masks or something).

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mzb:

before I go further, should I continue to try evdev for this remote, or do I _really_ need lirc?

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mzb:

if so, how? :)

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Anduin:

mzb: which lirc modules?

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mzb:

Anduin: any ... I can't get lirc to build

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Anduin:

mzb: someone may help if you put the build errors on a paste site

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hads:

What version of lirc?

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mzb:

ok, I'll set it up again and see how I go

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mzb:

I can't recall if it was cvs or source from debian sid

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Anduin:

cvs is often better though too new/old is/was know to have problems

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mzb:

ok, I'll give cvs a go.. thanks

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Anduin:

and no one actually needs lirc, if you can use a remote without it, well it wouldn't be a bad thing

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: ping...

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mzb:

Anduin: many of the buttons work without lirc ... and from what I gather, that issue is about codes>255 (guessing) which can possibly be overcome with evdev settings

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mzb:

I managed to get *some* functionality by just mapping the key codes

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J-e-f-f-A:

/msg a5benwillis I picked up a card from ebay: ter number, not card 0. For NA providers, use Circular Dish setup

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J-e-f-f-A:

#setup your Video Sources

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops.

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Wow, frontend startup is much faster with your 1 line patch from #3189

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GreyFoxx:

And my resident memory usage went from 143Meg to 86 with thepatch from #3506

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GreyFoxx:

nie

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GreyFoxx:

nice

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Are those committed to the SVN version? ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

No

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GreyFoxx:

patches he added to those tickets in the last couple days

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J-e-f-f-A:

kewl. I see 'em now... ;-)

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mzb:

Anduin + hads: well, that couldn't have been easier ... now to test it! Thanks for your help :)

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mzb:

(note to self: forget Debian sources for lirc;)

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

you guys are the best

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planktonboy:

just sitting here with my final working svn compiled mythtv listening to some music through mythmusic with libvisual ProjectM visuals, and totally engrossed inthe whole myth experience

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mzb:

Anduin + hads: getting a response using mode2 from all buttons, so I assume the rest is just config ... thanks again

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HalonChilled:

ok being that all of the smart people are on this channel and nobody will answer me on #ubuntucould someone help me with serrting up /etc/network/interfaces for a static ip http://www.pastebin.ca/510715?

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planktonboy:

Halon, is that a wireless

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planktonboy:

or cabled

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HalonChilled:

planktonboy cabled

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planktonboy:

not that it really matters

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planktonboy:

1 sec

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directhex:

HalonChilled, looks correct to me

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hads:

HalonChilled: Just because people aren't answering you elsewhere doesn't make this a general support channel

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planktonboy:

let me find you a good link that I think explains it better than I couod

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planktonboy:

could even

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HalonChilled:

mzb ok ill chage it... and what would be the command to reset my network without rebooting?

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directhex:

oh, yes, that's right. mzb spotted the out-by-1 issue

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planktonboy:

hi directhex :)

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directhex:

HalonChilled, /etc/init.d/networking restart

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directhex:

now, off to bed

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mzb:

# /etc/init.d/networking restart

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HalonChilled:

ty all vm

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planktonboy:

hi hads

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hads:

invoke-rc.d

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directhex:

same difference

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hads:

Indeed.

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mzb:

distro dependent I guess

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planktonboy:

hehe, had to do that today too:)

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mzb:

got the mythbox mounted underneath the floor ... so debug can be a little difficult at times ;) ... just bringing a wireless ipaq into the equation to overcome the next stage ;)

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HalonChilled:

Sorry to be a bother but my internet is still down even after a restart

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: I just came back, started up myth, and it's doing it again!

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planktonboy:

night directhex

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HalonChilled:

anyone have any suggestions?

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planktonboy:

halon..have you got any kind of security on there that could be causing sa prob

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HalonChilled:

um lynksys router

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HalonChilled:

planktonboy but i have the same ports enabled as i did on my mac which i just setup a staic which runs fine

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: if you move /dev/rtc does it change?

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Frankkk:

trying to get audio playback with pvr-350

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: Just "mv /dev/rtc /dev/whatever" so that it's no longer there? And should I do it while high precision events is enabled or disabled?

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: you can do it with both, but with would be more useful (barring the real useful thing which would be finding out why)

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: basically with it moved RTC will not be use

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Anduin:

d

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Tanthrix:

That made it work

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planktonboy:

you sure you changed the mac address on the router to accept the newcard

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Tanthrix:

"Usleep with busywait"

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Tanthrix:

(Is what it's using now)

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planktonboy:

Damn..mythtv is THE DOGS DOODAAS

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** J-e-f-f-A eh? MythTV is not dog poop! ;-) **

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planktonboy:

I just cant seem to get enough ogf it today

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Tanthrix:

Any idea why it would work for a while with the HPET disabled, then just stop working? (I haven't repeated that though, just left it working, came back an hour later, and it wasn't working anymore with no changes in between)

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mzb:

planktonboy: you might need a change in your diet ;)

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planktonboy:

mzb, LOL

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planktonboy:

Just enjoying the moment

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planktonboy:

;0

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planktonboy:

:) even

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: I know how you feel... I've got 686GB of enjoyment... ;-)

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planktonboy:

had a few beers tonight, been reconfiguring the mythbeast earlier, then went out and now, back to revel in her majesty :)

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planktonboy:

J-E-F-F-A, yeah I think I may be ordering a 500GB tomorrow

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: ... And that's just on my OLD server... My new one is 3x500GB in raid5... about 932GB usable space... ;-)

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planktonboy:

damn

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: Are you in the US, and is there a Micro Center nearby?

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planktonboy:

yeah Its not hard to see how these myth machines can grow

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planktonboy:

no...UK

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planktonboy:

nothing near me

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planktonboy:

have to mail order

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: Ah... too bad... 500GB at micro center is $129 usd after $50 rebate... ;-)

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: Is there any downside to using usleep over RTC?

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planktonboy:

do they do overseas shipping :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: Maybe, but by the time you paid the shipping and whatever costs, it'd probably be cheaper to get it locally to you...

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planktonboy:

one thing I want to implement now which I saw a recent patch for is streaming from within mythmusic

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planktonboy:

I know there is mythstream

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planktonboy:

but I really enjoy the option f watching some cool visuals along with the tracks

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planktonboy:

J-E-F-F-A, yup that usually seems to be the case

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: Yes, I'd try enabling Open GL sync before worrying about it though (and it isn't a large problem, just not as efficient/accurate)

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: And they may not honor the $50 rebate overseas...

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planktonboy:

only time I order from the States is where the price difference totally negates the cost of shipping

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: http://www.novae-res.org/dmesg.txt Ctrl-f checksum, think that might be an issue?

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Tanthrix:

Not finding much on google, and I don't know much about ACPI

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planktonboy:

last time I did that was buying another Scope audio card

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planktonboy:

true

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planktonboy:

I was in Canada about a month ago form my uncles funeral;

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planktonboy:

but decided to buy a cameras for the gf

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planktonboy:

but after I had worked it all out I only saved £10

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planktonboy:

US$20

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planktonboy:

LOL

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planktonboy:

oh well, better than losing some I guess

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J-e-f-f-A:

yep

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planktonboy:

I been to the states while I was there...yey...not officially though

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planktonboy:

crossed over one of those warning signs on the Canadian border

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planktonboy:

on this desolate beach front

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planktonboy:

got a couple of beach pebbles for nostalgias sake

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planktonboy:

1 from Canada and the other from US

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planktonboy:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: I was in Montreal in 1989 for 4 days for some training with my company... That was before a passport was required to go to Candada.... ;-)

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planktonboy:

ah yeah, now everyone needs a passport I believe

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planktonboy:

sign of the times

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep.

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planktonboy:

beautiful countryside there though

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planktonboy:

have some like that here in UK, but more up Nprth

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planktonboy:

North

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planktonboy:

everyone was really friendly and helpdu

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planktonboy:

helpful

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planktonboy:

unlike some of the weirdos where I live in this small town

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planktonboy:

oh well, I guess time to go chill for a bit then to0 get dsome zz's

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planktonboy:

beer festival tomorrow

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

night all

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planktonboy:

later J-E-F-F-A

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J-e-f-f-A:

planktonboy: ttyl... ;-)

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Frankkk:

mmm-beer

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planktonboy:

hehe

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Frankkk:

ne1 use knoppmyth?

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planktonboy:

yup...go to go get sme sleep and make some room for all that lovely ale :)

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planktonboy:

cyas lads

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Frankkk:

enjoy,cheers

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: I can find a few pieces, nothing really too useful, my understanding of HPET/RTC is very limited

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: No worries. I'm trying adding /sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq=1024 to my sysctl file now to see if that does anything

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Frankkk:

judging by the rate at which I am being ignored, I guess the answer to me is RTFM

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Frankkk:

oh well, good day all

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: I could just use opengl-sync as you said, I'm just concerned this is a sign of a bigger problem

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, mythfrontend really shouldn't be segfaulting on close should it..

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mzb:

is there a "good" way of mapping the buttons on my pixelviewp remote? eg. what's a good substitute for OK/Space?

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mzb:

(I don't even have a play button!)

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Tanthrix:

Is there a quick way to erase all the DB info for a particular front end from the DB?

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mzb:

maybe I'll set up one of the other remotes lying around ;)

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: only with sql

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Tanthrix:

I can manage that

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: something like delete from settings where hostname = 'hostnametodelete' should remove everything (including slave backend settings, so don't do it in that case)

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Tanthrix:

Looks like it worked, thanks.

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thegodmatt:

I've got a question – do any of you know what would cause the frontend to log me out whenever I try to watch live-tv?

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thegodmatt:

(using Ubuntu 7.4, Hauppauge pvr-500 cards)

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Anduin:

thegodmatt: a video driver bug could restart X

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thegodmatt:

yeah

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thegodmatt:

I am using an Ati card

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thegodmatt:

but it's been stable for me

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thegodmatt:

I installed mythtv on top of my desktop

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thegodmatt:

I had just set it up a efw days back, but I had already configured the ati card to work

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Anduin:

thegodmatt: usual advice is to start disabling things until it works, like DRI

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thegodmatt:

(dri = ?)

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Anduin:

thegodmatt: It is what makes the card worth having really, if you disable it you will need the Qt painter as well. You could also look in you X logs and see if there is anything useful.

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thegodmatt:

ok

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thegodmatt:

oh – where does mythtv log to by default

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thegodmatt:

I enabled logging so I can check tha ttoo

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Anduin:

thegodmatt: There is no default mythtv log location (other than std(err/out)

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Anduin:

)

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thegodmatt:

oh

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Anduin:

thegodmatt: Your package may put it in /var/log/mythblah though

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Anduin:

You Xorg log will be more useful though

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Anduin:

r

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a5benwillis:

J-e-f-f-A: Pong

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thegodmatt:

and where is that?

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: hehe... ;-) did you see my pm?

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a5benwillis:

yep

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a5benwillis:

nice

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a5benwillis:

will work nicely

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J-e-f-f-A:

kewl.

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J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: Assuming I can get it all working well, I'll pick up a couple more... ;-)

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Anduin:

thegodmatt: usually /var/log/Xorgblah

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thegodmatt:

yeah

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thegodmatt:

i just found it – thanks though

[02:24:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: I need some new lnbs though...

[02:25:26]

a5benwillis:

pm

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ajh:

anyone got a thinkpad as a myth front-end? I'm trying to get xv to work on the external port and I'm clearly missing a step.

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[02:28:35]

a5benwillis:

Okay, this is aggrivating. I have a show that recorded earlier. It shows as comm flagged. But when I play it back it doesnt skip comms. If I hit 'z' it tells me not flagged. What gives?

[02:33:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: I had something similar before — I wasn't able to get existing programs to get flagged, but I re-booted my backend, and all future recordings were flagged properly.

[02:34:13]

a5benwillis:

I rebooted today

[02:34:27]

a5benwillis:

actually, I upgraded to .21

[02:34:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

a5benwillis: The're should be a sql command to reset the flag that indicates it's commercial flagged, then presumably it would flag all the non-flagged programs....

[02:34:40]

a5benwillis:

ah

[02:34:44]

a5benwillis:

need to find that

[02:34:48]

GreyFoxx:

a5benwillis: There is no 0.21

[02:35:00]

a5benwillis:

well, trunk

[02:35:09]

a5benwillis:

whats it called?

[02:35:14]

GreyFoxx:

svn

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GreyFoxx:

or svn trunk, or svn head

[02:35:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: I was just thinking to myself "has 0.21 been released yet?" ;-)

[02:35:45]

a5benwillis:

sorry, I heard it called .21 over on the ubuntu-myth chan

[02:36:01]

xris:

a5benwillis: trunk is "what will become .21"

[02:36:05]

GreyFoxx:

Then they are just wrong

[02:36:07]

xris:

so people often use .21 to describe it

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thegodmatt:

so what exactly is trunk?

[02:36:33]

xris:

thegodmatt: the name for "development branch" used by most subversion users.

[02:36:40]

thegodmatt:

thank you

[02:37:24]

GreyFoxx:

xris: Tried gbee's 2 patches? Made a huge difference here

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Anduin:

J-e-f-f-A: --rebuild will rebuild regargless of the current state (if willing to run mythcommflag manually)

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xris:

GreyFoxx: not even sure what you're talking about. been too busy to look at code lately (prepping for house guests arriving tonight, and crazy busy at work)

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** xris goes back to vacuuming. **

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a5benwillis:

Anduin: Can you explain further? I need to fix my comflagging.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anduin: Humm. then maybe my db was goofed up somehow too... --rebuild only re-flagged 2 of the 100's of programs.... But after re-booting all future recordings were flagged properly...

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh ticket #318 has a 1 liner, and #3506 has a small patch. They shrunk my frontend memory usage by almost hald and startup time is almost instant now(for the scaling and such)

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Anduin:

a5benwillis: mythcommflag has various options, like --all --force to do things like force all to be reflagged (also things like --allstart to only get ones staring from a certain time)

[02:41:59]

Anduin:

I couldn't see the difference for the oneliner either (even on my slow frontend), the memory saving one looks promising, not faster but leaner is nice.

[02:42:31]

hads:

Indeed, I was going to do that next

[02:42:33]

GreyFoxx:

I found a noticable different on my msntv's for startup, not quite as much, on my faster ones

[02:42:48]

chuk:

what's the easiest way to get a regular IR remote working with a myth frontend?

[02:42:51]

GreyFoxx:

but the memory usage was significant, and with only 128meg of ram in them it's a good thing for me :)

[02:42:52]

chuk:

get an IR keyboard?

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hads:

The memory usage went from 96M to 55M on my desktop using the patch. That's using bluetoobelite.

[02:52:15]

kormoc:

chuk, I like the MS MCE remotes personally

[02:53:04]

hads:

Me too. Except that one of ours forgot how to learn.

[02:59:25]

GreyFoxx:

hahaha usame on my msntv's dropped to 30meg of ram

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GreyFoxx:

memory usage that is

[03:00:00]

GreyFoxx:

nice, very nice

[03:00:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

chuk: I second kormoc's view on the M$ MCE remote....

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xris:

GreyFoxx: nice.

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: too late, I did that a long time ago.

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xris:

GreyFoxx: trying the memory patch now.

[03:13:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Ok, I 'third' it... ;-)

[03:13:37]

xris:

haven't sync'd svn in awhile, anyway, so it's about time

[03:14:17]

** xris twiddles his thumbs for the next 20 minutes while this compile. **

[03:14:22]

xris:

...compiles...

[03:14:42]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: me too... well, it only took about 10 mins on my x2 4600... ;-)

[03:15:04]

kormoc:

xris, while you're waiting, figure me out a way to do negative padding on a iframe! :P

[03:15:12]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: I haven't compiled in a long time (no ccache), and my mythbox is a 2.4G p4 (533mhz fsb)

[03:15:23]

xris:

kormoc: can't do neg padding like that.

[03:15:28]

xris:

neg margin, maybe.

[03:15:31]

kormoc:

xris, sadly I know...

[03:15:45]

kormoc:

margin is a no-go too

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xris:

kormoc: doesn't work, or doesn't work properly?

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kormoc:

doesn't work at all

[03:23:57]

xris:

sometimes you need to set position:relative on element and parent first

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thegodmatt:

do any of you use ubuntu (feisty)

[03:24:14]

kormoc:

sadly the parent needs to be position fixed

[03:24:26]

kormoc:

ahh well, I'll work around it, it's just slightly less pretty

[03:24:28]

xris:

kormoc: ahh

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Todd_:

Anyone here use the latest MythDora?

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[03:45:29]

juski:

morning

[03:45:39]

juski:

man it's way too early to be up & about on a saturday

[03:45:51]

opello:

heh

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opello:

it's still friday here :)

[03:46:09]

kormoc:

yeah, you're up *way* too early

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[03:46:50]

juski:

yeah but themes don't update themselves, sadly

[03:47:13]

juski:

and new monitors don't drool over themselves either ;)

[03:47:31]

** kormoc laughs **

[03:47:33]

kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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hads:

Bah, it's late here. I've already started thinking about drinking.

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[04:02:01]

juski:

no way. I've just got ProjectGrayhem-wide down to under 4MB tarball size

[04:02:07]

juski:

that can't be right

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kormoc:

juski, did you hear of the patches that (might) half the memory usage of the frontend?

[04:02:50]

juski:

oh yeah

[04:03:01]

juski:

that's fab news

[04:03:09]

juski:

excellent work on gbee's part!

[04:03:15]

kormoc:

yeah, it's super nifty

[04:03:27]

juski:

it'll mean paupers can use blootube-wide too!

[04:03:55]

** kormoc laughs **

[04:04:03]

juski:

I've been ripping the *awful* old watermarks out of projectgrayhem-wide

[04:04:41]

juski:

I revisted it & almost puked. they were horrible. so now PG-wide has nice clean watermarks like neon-wide :)

[04:06:31]

Tanthrix:

Hrm. Anyone know how much stuff relies on RTC?

[04:12:01]

juski:

right folks. neon-wide & ProjectGrayhem-wide have been updated. grab em from www.juski.co.uk as always

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juski:

right let's see about putting a paypal 'buy me' button on my webshite

[04:30:46]

mikeones:

!paste

[04:31:22]

juski:

ouch! the robbing buggers

[04:31:42]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: I've disabled HPET and IOAPIC as well, and so far so good

[04:32:37]

mikeones:

My mythweb stopped working and I got this in my dmesg. http://paste.debian.net/28886

[04:32:40]

mikeones:

:(

[04:32:51]

juski:

paypal want £0.20 per transaction..that's a lot when I have the margins I'm stuck with

[04:33:59]

juski:

screw it I'll just pass it on to the customer

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Anduin:

mikeones: Not mythweb related, that looks like it is from the ext3 module, not something that should make you feel better.

[04:39:13]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: Ok, would still be nice to find out why and if we can detect it, my frontend that could test it, well has HPET disabled :)

[04:39:35]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: and if you mean in MythTV, the RTC stuff is just in the video out loop

[04:39:59]

Anduin:

Tanthrix: though other applications certainly could/do use it

[04:48:27]

juski:

so is that what goes wrong when you find playback is all over the place even though your CPU isn't anywhere near maxed out?

[04:49:25]

juski:

I sometimes get that on my epia frontend. I know it's capable of playing back mpeg2 at 720x576 without glitches but it has problems from time to time

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juski:

cpu usage is always < 50%

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mzb:

disk or pci throughput?

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juski:

inconsequential

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juski:

anyway it's only a frontend

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mzb:

doesn't the frontend still buffer to disk?

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Anduin:

not directly

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juski:

what happens I think – judging by the log output is it thinks it's falling behind, so speeds up playback.. realises it's too far ahead, then pauses

[04:51:40]

juski:

then pauses too long, plays the video too fast.. etc

[04:52:09]

juski:

I know I'm not alone in being plagued by this problem

[04:53:41]

mzb:

if you're desperate for suggestions: ensuring tmp is tmpfs might help to eliminate some possible problems

[04:54:02]

juski:

it's a diskless system anyway

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mzb:

ah, that's a different story ... over nfs?

[04:54:32]

juski:

nope

[04:55:26]

juski:

I wonder if more ram would help actually.. not that it has any swap.. if it's running out it'd just fall over I think

[04:55:49]

hads:

Likely

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mzb:

have you been able to monitor network bandwidth when this happens?

[04:56:00]

juski:

but I've seen mythfrontend play the same files fine on a 128MB frontend

[04:56:07]

hads:

Ours has 512 and seems to manage fine

[04:56:12]

juski:

mzb: no way is the network crapping out on me

[04:56:15]

juski:

100mbit wired

[04:56:20]

mzb:

I didn't say that

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juski:

no I know my frontend log output. it's def. a playback problem within mythtv

[04:57:12]

mzb:

fair enough, I'll pull my head in then :)

[04:57:13]

juski:

what confirms it is that previous versions of minimyth don't show the problem

[04:57:41]

juski:

gonna try a new version today though.. hopefull it'll go back up to 0.19 levels of performance

[04:58:23]

juski:

the UI & everything is fast – those damn epia boards can't play back sdtv mpeg2 without xvmc :(

[04:58:23]

Anduin:

juski: You didn't enable the video as time base option did you?

[04:58:39]

juski:

Anduin: I'll check

[04:58:44]

juski:

Anduin: why?

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juski:

it's enabled on that frontend

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hads:

I need to swap the disk on my desktop before I can rebuild minimyth. That much IO sends my system into uninterruptible sleep :|

[04:59:39]

Anduin:

disable it and try again

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juski:

update settings set data="0" where value="UseVideoTimebase" and hostname="minimyth1";

[05:00:37]

juski:

whoops

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hads:

heh

[05:01:10]

juski:

I'm positive I've tried all the settings til I'm blue in the face though

[05:01:30]

juski:

esp. when it couldn't play BBC1 recordings without gaps

[05:01:56]

juski:

I've said it before but I reckon minimyth always uses driver & app versions (e.g. X) that are too 'out there'

[05:02:29]

hads:

Our minimyth box gets what looks like a low framerate occasionally when there's lots of horizontal movement but it's not worried me enough to look into it.

[05:03:09]

juski:

it only seems to happen on recordings with audio description tracks. it could be bitrate related

[05:03:41]

juski:

when it was really bad I ran the known bad recordings though ffmpeg to strip the guff out of them & playback was fine afterwards!

[05:04:13]

juski:

maybe via xvmc has bother with some mpeg TS

[05:04:17]

juski:

sometimes

[05:12:38]

mzb:

re pixelview remote: am I likely to be able to get other remotes to work with the receiver? ... or do I need to (possibly) use a home-brew?

[05:13:37]

juski:

mzb: unlikely to get other remotes working with the receiver but it'll cost you nothing but time to try

[05:13:40]

mzb:

some of my remotes seem to give some results, but the one I want to use gives me no output at all

[05:14:01]

juski:

if irrecord doesn't work with the remote you're trying, then it won't work :0

[05:14:18]

mzb:

juski: guess so, thanks ... don't really want to drill another whole in the floor ;)

[05:15:07]

mzb:

might have to leave the other remote (with matching keyboard) for another time :)

[05:15:30]

juski:

<fanfare> MythTV case badges are now (un)officially available </fanfare>

[05:15:41]

mzb:

heh

[05:15:48]

juski:

www.$mynick.co.uk

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juski:

only badgers. no mushrooms, k

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: Just checked it again, still working. So it looks like it might be a combination of disabling IOAPIC and HPET

[05:28:43]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: I'm thinking about installing xbunutu on a spare drive and seeing if it has the same problem

[05:33:03]

Aquahallic:

anyone by chance setup pcsx2 in mythtv??

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juski:

wow. projectgrayhem benefits from the new watermarks the most

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Tanthrix:

Arch linux's package management system is really starting to annoy me now, impossible to find stuff

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juski:

how the flavour of the month goes sour eh

[05:48:57]

Tanthrix:

Seriously.

[05:49:48]

juski:

whee this is a much smaller tarball now too. I might be able to go back to hosting these myself :)

[05:50:00]

juski:

smaller AND looks prettier.. I can live with this

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juski:

see.. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/screenshots/pg2.jpg

[06:01:09]

juski:

ooo. this is v. interesting.. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/269797

[06:02:10]

juski:

different versions of X might have slightly different refresh rates – which might be causing the timing problems I've seen

[06:02:29]

juski:

X / video driver

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juski:

anyhow.. that's ProjectGrayhem updated to www.juski.co.uk too. if you don't like the new graphics the old ones are in the tarball location as .OLD – they won't be updated in future though

[06:04:31]

juski:

not even 8am & I've done so much today already :D

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juski:

a5benwillis: your paypal transaction didn't have an address on it. if you email me your address I'll send the badges today

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MavT:

nice themes juski

[07:13:59]

juski:

thanks

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[07:14:13]

juski:

I now have working paypal donate buttons too :)

[07:16:15]

MaverickTech:

is there enough space on the ProjectGrayhem theme to fit 5 menu items ?

[07:16:28]

juski:

maybe

[07:16:34]

MaverickTech:

I am looking

[07:16:42]

juski:

I was thinking about that earlier

[07:17:13]

MaverickTech:

my kids are currently test driving ProjectGrayhem

[07:18:21]

juski:

I hated it with a passion until I updated the watermark graphics

[07:19:25]

juski:

now it's all purdy again. still a bit murky.. needs more shiny shiny

[07:19:40]

MaverickTech:

:p

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juski:

hey apparently you can get irda modules on _some_ laptops to do lircy stuff

[07:20:07]

juski:

didn't know that. handy to know actually

[07:20:32]

juski:

lirc_sir for that

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MaverickTech:

I have ir on my laptop, but it runs Winblows, unfortunately

[07:21:04]

juski:

I don't own a laptop yet. I could really do with one for when I'm travelling with mythtv

[07:21:11]

MaverickTech:

I still can't get lirc_gpio to compile on feisty or edgy, so I have a cool remote that is a paperweight :(

[07:21:39]

juski:

re the laptop.. clicky donate button! ;)

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juski:

oh gimme strength! "where is .config? I'm looking in the dir & not seeing it"

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MaverickTech:

ls -a ?

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juski:

mmyers. silly forum members. enough to drive you to despair

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KjetilK:

Hi! I was wondering if anybody sells pretty living-room boxes with Myth*, so that I can have one box that does PVR, plays DVDs, plays my music collection, etc?

[07:55:58]

KjetilK:

preferably based on debian, since all my other systems are based on debian or derived distros

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juski:

a few places do.. depends where you live, how easy they are to buy

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KjetilK:

OK, cool, I'm in Norway

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juski:

google is your friend :)

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/newgrayhem.png

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juski:

shiny shiny :)

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MaverickTech:

oooh, it expanded out

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juski:

that's -wide. it's always been like that

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juski:

I think I prefer the shiny plastic look to the brushed aluminium though

[08:00:25]

juski:

anyway g2g

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juski:

bbl

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KjetilK:

hmmm, the only one I see is Monolith, and they seem US-based

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mzb:

MaverickTech: I was unable to get debian lirc sources to compile either. Vanilla kernel (2.6.21.2) and lirc cvs compiled without issue.

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gbee:

morning

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MaverickTech:

mzb :(

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mzb:

MaverickTech: I needed a very modern kernel anyway (modified bluez headsetd with sco patch for kernel) so it wasn't a real problem in the long run.

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mzb:

MaverickTech: maybe there's "something Debian" that lirc doesn't like?

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MaverickTech:

I am not too keen to update my kernel

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mzb:

you might be stuck then ... but you'd think that if Debian (et al) provide the sources that it would build, right? ... might be worth checking on a Debian list somewhere.

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gbee:

clever: you must be using the most lightweight theme in existence!

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gbee:

either that or a very low resolution

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Anduin:

It dropped MythCenter ~30 MB for me

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Tanthrix:

Myth doesn't work with mysql5 right?

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Dagmar:

Not 100% reliably but it works

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Dagmar:

With MySQL5 the connection to the db will occasionally 'go away' but things will reconnect fine

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Anduin:

I thought that was a scheduler query that was fixed, I use it with MySQL 5

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Tanthrix:

I see

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Anduin:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/195340 so since 0.19-fixes

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gbee:

not heard of any MySQL 5 problems for a very long time

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gbee:

hmm, we're trying to strip python scripts – strip: /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/find_meta.py: File format not recognized

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Dagmar:

Yeah, they're so full of fat

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

does anyone know how to use the new remote frontend in the recent mythweb svn

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planktonboy:

it is definately connecting to the backend ok, but doesnt seem to actually do anything and I was wondering if I need to activate something on the backend in order to use it

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planktonboy:

but no info in the readme files

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gbee:

you need the telnet interface enabled

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planktonboy:

gbee, ah

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planktonboy:

would that in the OS settings or is that in the setup folders of mythtv

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planktonboy:

I have turned on the Enable Network Remote Control Interface tick box in Utils Setup -> General

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planktonboy:

is that what you mean

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Anduin:

that is it

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planktonboy:

but enabling that didnt affect the frontend control from mythweb remote

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: Just got the damn errors again, so it looks like none of my fixes have been permanent.

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: So the mysterious first frame only hang is not related to HPET?

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Anduin:

(which would be nice, because I was very close to actually compiling a kernel with HPET to test)

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: No, it is. With that enabled it never worked. (Verified by many reboots) But disabling it only seems to fix it for an undetermined amount of time

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planktonboy:

gbee, thanks for the tip

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: does move /dev/rtc fix it when it is broken?

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Anduin:

moving even

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planktonboy:

unfortunately that didnt work

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Tanthrix:

Yes, as does using open GL timing

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Tanthrix:

So I can get around it, just worries me that my RTC is messed up

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planktonboy:

I will have a look at the telnet thing in linux

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: at least it is just you :)

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: By the way, just so you know, I'm using whatever stock kernel came with the latest release of Arch Linux

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planktonboy:

maybe Im missing something

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gbee:

planktonboy: I've never tried the remote, so I've no idea why it might not be working – you could try looking through the commits to see if there was anything information on using/enabling it in the message

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planktonboy:

right

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planktonboy:

yeah I tried looking through last night, but couldnt find any, but will try again as I had a few beers last night, maybe I missed some info

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planktonboy:

gbee, thanks mate :)

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gbee:

trying searching on something like – "mythweb remote" in the trac search

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planktonboy:

will let you know what I find out if successful

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planktonboy:

ok..will do

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gbee:

k :)

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Tanthrix:

Well damn, looks like I can't get any of my QAM channels that go over the firewire with the exception of the OTA stuff

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/13217

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gbee:

figured I might as well take two seconds and find it

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1146

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gbee:

maybe you can find something useful in those

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gbee:

I'm off out now

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

hehe

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planktonboy:

faster than me

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planktonboy:

yeah I did find a bit of info

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planktonboy:

but thanks for that

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planktonboy:

:)

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juski:

any UK folks near Manchester – at Bowlers there's a stall selling Elonex Artisan barebones for £129 !!!!

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gardengnome:

um

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gardengnome:

they're selling hardware at stalls there?

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gardengnome:

do they also carry rolex and omega watches?

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juski:

gardengnome: fake ones? yes!

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juski:

got a 100m bluetooth adapter for £3.50

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planktonboy:

naaa Essex here mate

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planktonboy:

too far to drive

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gardengnome:

"Elonex recommends genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition."

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gardengnome:

bah

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Dagmar:

Hah

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Dagmar:

I got someone on Craigslist kinda pissed off about htat this week

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gardengnome:

nice. elonex.co.uk is a flash website. each minute i like them better.

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Dagmar:

He was posting two PVR-150's for sale because he was "originally" building a Linux-based PVR and then decided to go with Windows MCE, and someone convinced him he needed the MCE edition of the PVR-150 for that, so he bought a new one and was selling the old ones

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gardengnome:

rotfl

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juski:

hahaha

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juski:

gardengnome: it's just the barebones motherboard & fancy case they're selling

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juski:

socket 775

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planktonboy:

hehe

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juski:

the cases actually look very chavvy up close

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gardengnome:

nice

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juski:

shiny plastic

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gardengnome:

i wish i wasn't too fscking lazy to build a new, working mythtv box.

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gardengnome:

stupid broken main board. i have no idea what i should buy now because i really don't want to spend more than, say, 150€.

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Tanthrix:

I'm starting to wish I would have been lazy and not started building this new system..

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Dagmar:

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Tanthrix:

RTC timings are the devil!

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gardengnome:

Tanthrix: heh, i'm way past that point. frustration -> depression ;)

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Got a drifty clock, do ya?

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gardengnome:

if i survive the usual long-weekend shopping madness, i'm finally gonna finish those svn packages

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Basically, I get the NVP waiting for video... errors if the high precision timer is enabled in my motherboard

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Shows me one frame of video then freezes

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: When I disable it, it works for an undetermined amount of time then starts up again

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

How are you enabling this on your motherboard?

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Dagmar:

I just did a kernel rebuild and turned that feature on, but I haven't tried to watch yet

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Tanthrix:

In the bios

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Dagmar:

I suppose there's a good chance I don't have that on my board then

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Tanthrix:

Using a stock kernel – maybe that is my problem?

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Tanthrix:

In any case, open GL works fine as does usleep, so myth works, just worried that this is a sign of a deeper problem

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juski:

ffs what language is Nokia's data suite written in to be this DOG SLOW?

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Dagmar:

JAVA

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juski:

figures

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juski:

apart from projectX are there any java apps that don't suck bones?

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Dagmar:

Well, they just added support for high-res timers in the latest kernel

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Anduin:

There isn't always a bios setting

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Tanthrix:

I'm using 2.6.21

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Dagmar:

I guess I'll find out when i get home if I need to rebuild the kernel again or not

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juski:

gardengnome: case badges now available :) www.juski.co.uk/compare.png

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Dagmar:

I'm guessing the one on the right is the new design

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gardengnome:

nice

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gardengnome:

i hope some will be left over :)

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, amongst CSPAN, the home shopping channels, the nutty religious crap, etc... I have found the discovery channel

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Tanthrix:

That's something at least

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mzb:

I'm having problems getting autologin to work on a debian system (I've been here before but can't recall what I did in year's past) ... after boot I can see a "login -f" and a "-sh" on tty6 ... but nothing after ... what am I doing wrong?

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mzb:

I've tried all 3 approaches I can find

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Tanthrix:

Too many infomercials right now, maybe I'll find some more stuff tomorrow

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mzb:

hmm ... wiki is wrong(?) ... tty (and TTY) are not set ... so profile doesn't work

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Tanthrix:

Bah! What the hell is with prebuffering pauses?

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Dagmar:

huhwat? Profile who?

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mzb:

the wiki suggests setting a bash_profile script (from what I can see it should be a .profile)

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Dagmar:

Why bothering generating a login session in the first place

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mzb:

I don't know! ... just following the wiki :) (and I don't want X running as root)

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mzb:

better way?

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Dagmar:

~/.bash_profile is only read when bash is invoked as a login shell

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Anduin:

mzb: gdm?

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Dagmar:

Yeah well, good luck with not running X as root

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mzb:

no, not running ?dm

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mzb:

Dagmar: why?

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mzb:

perfectly possible afaik

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Dagmar:

Becuase it's freaking suid root

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mzb:

I think you know what I mean

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Dagmar:

...and because you need root privs to directly access the hardware (i.e., X needs this power)

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Dagmar:

Feel free to login as a normal user, run `startx` and then `ps -ef | grep X` and note what uid X is running as

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mzb:

yes, yes ... it drops it's privileges .. pretty sure I've got a handle on that

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mzb:

but this is a "headless" box (apart from the tv-out!;)

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Dagmar:

So, there's this magic thing called `su` which is not entirely unlike the Solaris `runas` command

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Dagmar:

It'll let you start processes and scripts up as any uid you like

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mzb:

are you suggesting running su -c from rc.local or inittab?

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Dagmar:

It can be done

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Dagmar:

Tying it to a console in inittab is not the most terrible idea in the world

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mzb:

how so?

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Dagmar:

...especially if you bind it to a particular runlevel, like 4 or 5

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Dagmar:

Okay, open up your /etc/inittab and there's something in there I'll bet you've not noticed

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mzb:

I'd consider that preferable in most cases.

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Dagmar:

Almost everyone has something like "x1:4:respawn:/etc/rc.d/rc.4" in there

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KorN[CM]:

can someone help me with mythtv please?

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KorN[CM]:

having some problems

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Dagmar:

So, basically, what that means is that when the box goes to runlevel 4, /etc/rc.d/rc.4 is executed

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mzb:

yes, I understand that Dagmar

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Dagmar:

...and /etc/rc.d/rc.4 on this Slackware box is what starts X and gdm/xdm/kdm

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mzb:

k

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Dagmar:

Except on my MythTV box it starts X and mythfrontend

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mzb:

so, are you executing X and myth as root? or are you doing it as mythtv user?

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Dagmar:

I can kill it by shelling in and hitting it with `telinit 3` that will drop it to runlevel 3 and shut off that script, killing the frontend and X

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mzb:

ps: it's working now (just rebooted)

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Anduin:

KorN[CM]: details

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mzb:

there are two problems with the wiki:

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Dagmar:

X is always going to "become" root, but i'm starting the frontend using su mythrole -l -c startx

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Dagmar:

I'm moving away even having that -l there

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KorN[CM]:

ok well this is my problem: I'm up to step 3 of myth-setup

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mzb:

1. for some reason (running Debian sid), an autologin does not execute bash (maybe I've done something), but rather sh ... so .profile is required

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KorN[CM]:

3: video sources

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mzb:

2. there is no tty/TTY variable set at that stage of the boot processs

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KorN[CM]:

i'm in australia, so I've created one called australia

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KorN[CM]:

tv_grab_au fails

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Dagmar:

mzb: I would have thought the "-sh" would be telling you something about why it's invoking it as sh

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mzb:

yes, just couldn't figure it out ... asked question for guidance

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Dagmar:

You don't exactly need TTY set either

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KorN[CM]:

"Mythtv was unable to retrieve information for your provider. Please check the terminal windows for more information."

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mzb:

KorN[CM]: re tv_grab_au

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KorN[CM]:

here's what is in terminal:

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mzb:

tv programming in oz is copyright ... google for shepherd

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mzb:

KorN[CM]: ^^^

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KorN[CM]:

hmmm...

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KorN[CM]:

ok

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mzb:

*trust* me (if you can believe one of those ppl with two heads from the far south;)

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KorN[CM]:

ah ok I trust you :-)

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KorN[CM]:

link for shepherd?

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mzb:

google.com.au? ;)

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mzb:

there are a *lot* of steps to follow ... but the results are quite amazing

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KorN[CM]:

ok thanks :)

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KorN[CM]:

does it have to be installed as root?

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mzb:

no

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KorN[CM]:

ok

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KorN[CM]:

thanks

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mzb:

hang on

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KorN[CM]:

OK

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KorN[CM]:

ERROR:

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KorN[CM]:

Mandatory module 'XMLTV' not found.

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mzb:

what distro are you running?

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KorN[CM]:

ubuntu 7.04

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KorN[CM]:

desktop version

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mzb:

# apt-cache search xmltv

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mzb:

where are you in oz?

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mzb:

Dagmar: so can you tell me what the "-sh" means?

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KorN[CM]:

Melbourne

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Dagmar:

mzb: When passed to what binary

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Dagmar:

...although usually it probably means "spawn sh" in some way

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mzb:

2761 tty6 S+ 0:00 -sh

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Dagmar:

Oh. That definitely _is_ sh

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mzb:

the only reason I ask .. I expected that to be attempting to start bash

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Dagmar:

I *think* it means it's a login shell, but I can't be certain

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Dagmar:

The "-" at the start that is

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mzb:

I agree ... but why not bash?

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Dagmar:

mzb: What's set as that user's default shell in /etc/passwd

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mzb:

ah

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mzb:

good call, thanks

[10:57:11]

mzb:

might be an idea to add that to the wiki? ... or maybe I missed it the first time? ;)

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stuarta:

afternoon

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Dagmar:

I think that possibly falls under "general Unix knowledge"

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mzb:

Dagmar: k ... I guess I've been caught napping again then ;)

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Hugolp:

Hi

[11:53:17]

Hugolp:

is there any option so I can have my channel guide fed by xmltv and the rest of the channels that are not on the xmltv list fed them with eit?

[11:53:42]

stuarta:

yes you can do that

[11:53:50]

Hugolp:

stuarta how?

[11:54:09]

juski:

evening

[11:54:13]

stuarta:

useonairguide must be set on the channels you want via eit

[11:54:17]

stuarta:

afternoon juski

[11:54:29]

stuarta:

and not set on the ones using xml data

[11:54:54]

juski:

I got -wide now stuarta :)

[11:55:04]

stuarta:

20 inches of it?

[11:55:33]

juski:

22 inches actually. £186

[11:55:44]

stuarta:

nice

[11:55:46]

Hugolp:

stuarta: I do that in myth backend setup?

[11:55:55]

Hugolp:

in the channel list?

[11:55:57]

stuarta:

yes.

[11:56:03]

stuarta:

can also do it via mythweb

[11:56:07]

Hugolp:

ok thanks

[11:56:18]

Hugolp:

but I set the grabber to be xmltv I am guessing?

[11:56:29]

stuarta:

yup

[11:56:34]

Hugolp:

ok cool

[11:56:47]

Hugolp:

last question

[11:57:07]

Hugolp:

Do I have to cron xmltv or does it update the info automatically?

[11:57:28]

stuarta:

read up on mythfilldatabase setup

[11:57:45]

juski:

stuarta: what do you reckon to www.juski.co.uk/newgrayhem.png ?

[11:58:36]

** stuarta swears at his web browser **

[11:58:59]

stuarta:

nice, that a widescreen version?

[12:00:09]

juski:

yeah.. just revisiting the grayhems

[12:01:35]

juski:

dunno why but suddenly I've been motivated to do themey things :)

[12:02:15]

juski:

oh, and FYI.. got the new badgers yesterday.. www.juski.co.uk/compare.png :)

[12:02:18]

juski:

now on sale too

[12:02:42]

stuarta:

oooo, i've got the second one...

[12:03:27]

juski:

the one next to it is the next one. much better definition

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juski:

I'll use this printing guy again

[12:03:50]

** stuarta downloads the 64bit java **

[12:04:22]

juski:

whoah.. had a top idea

[12:04:29]

juski:

make my title bar icons chrome!

[12:04:49]

juski:

the awesomeage!

[12:07:13]

Dibblah:

juski: For some reason, I was assuming real badgers. <SIGH>.

[12:07:21]

directhex:

argh! snake!

[12:08:25]

stuarta:

snakes don't eat much

[12:08:34]

stuarta:

just the occasional sheep

[12:08:35]

juski:

badgers are orrible critters

[12:08:42]

juski:

stuarta: or croc ;)

[12:08:46]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

[12:09:02]

Dagmar:

D'ya think MythMusic will freak out if I simply _leave out_ the "Visualize" button?

[12:09:16]

juski:

Dagmar: segfault ahoy

[12:09:24]

Dagmar:

Damnit

[12:09:28]

gbee:

Dagmar: might, but if it does I can fix that easily

[12:09:32]

directhex:

why on earth would anyone put (tm) in the name of a program folder?

[12:09:48]

Dagmar:

directhex: To keep company lawyers out of their inbox

[12:10:19]

Dagmar:

gbee: I'm just a little baffled as to why this app basically has "buttons" that don't actually do anything

[12:10:27]

** juski saw real OSS DVDs of software at Bowlers today – to save you downloading titles like Autocad, Dreamweaver, Vista.. **

[12:10:34]

directhex:

why not go one further – use ™, then claim incompatibility with any non-UTF versions of the OS!

[12:10:44]

juski:

'free' software, only £5 a disc! amazering!

[12:10:56]

gbee:

Dagmar: they do if you have the 'button acclerate option' disabled, or enabled or something

[12:10:58]

directhex:

juski, not everyone has broad bands!

[12:11:14]

juski:

I had broad beans once. gave me the farts

[12:11:14]

Dagmar:

Yeah, with keyboard accelerators on they're 1–4, but other than that they're useless

[12:11:53]

juski:

how the ell do they get away with allowing people to sell warez at places like that?!

[12:11:53]

Dagmar:

Frankly, though I'd rather see the shuffle button become a modal indicator without a mandatory text label, and the pause/play buttons become just one button

[12:12:02]

gbee:

it's not the best design, it's long been in need of work

[12:12:10]

juski:

Dagmar: mode indicators, with dot matrix display :)

[12:12:24]

Dagmar:

juski: Modal as in "representative of the current mode"

[12:12:59]

Dagmar:

I mean, it's already throwing i18n out the window by hard-wiring in the text strings

[12:13:15]

directhex:

juski, ignorance is a powerful force

[12:13:15]

Dagmar:

...migth as well make it so you can have one image for shuffle mode, one for smart, one for random, etc

[12:13:41]

juski:

Dagmar: yeah – that'd do.. mode indicagtyusdghjghgjher-ors

[12:13:52]

juski:

less screen clutter

[12:14:00]

Dagmar:

Well, less hassle.

[12:14:04]

juski:

less screen clutter

[12:14:05]

juski:

ftw

[12:14:07]

Dagmar:

I'd rather have an icon representing what mode it's in

[12:14:21]

stuarta:

dammit, why doesn't debian have a 32bit firefox in the 64 bit installation?

[12:14:35]

Dagmar:

umm...

[12:14:38]

juski:

Dagmar: but oh noes! not all themers can draw repeat icons with their crayon sets!

[12:14:38]

directhex:

stuarta, because having a 64-bit browser doesn't cause any problems with free software

[12:14:52]

stuarta:

no but if you need java, you are screwed

[12:15:05]

Dagmar:

juski: That's their problem, not mine

[12:15:14]

juski:

I wish java would just disappear. go away & never come back

[12:15:14]

directhex:

proprietary nonsense!

[12:15:45]

stuarta:

sadly i need it for work.

[12:15:52]

gbee:

stuarta: no 64bit java?

[12:15:54]

stuarta:

and the live timings for the F1GP

[12:16:02]

stuarta:

gbee: there is, but no plugin :(

[12:16:10]

directhex:

no 64-bit java plugin. the mozilla plugin code isn't 64-bit clean

[12:16:19]

mzb:

stuarta: not true re java

[12:16:30]

stuarta:

well you can't download it from their site.

[12:16:32]

gbee:

ahh, doesn't nsplugin work? it allows you to use the 32bit flash plugin in 64bit firefox?

[12:16:35]

mzb:

true

[12:16:49]

** stuarta hunts for nsplugin **

[12:16:53]

mzb:

give me a few mins and I'll see if I can remember the answer

[12:17:00]

juski:

who was asking me earlier if I could put an extra button row in Gheyhem ?

[12:17:12]

stuarta:

nsplugin is only on fedora

[12:17:30]

gbee:

nspluginwrapper – once installed nsuplginwrapper --help

[12:18:07]

gbee:

stuarta: it's available on mandriva, but never tried to use it with a debian system

[12:18:10]

stuarta:

looks like it'll be a hand install

[12:18:26]

juski:

MaverickTech: http://pastebin.ca/511382 FYI

[12:18:39]

mzb:

no theres another way

[12:20:41]

mzb:

hmm ... sorry, maybe I'm thinking of flash :(

[12:21:13]

mzb:

Shockwave Flash

[12:21:14]

mzb:

File name: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so

[12:21:14]

mzb:

Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31

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ajh_:

Anyone running 4+ DVB-S cards in a machine doing HD capture that you know of?

[12:22:17]

mzb:

$ uname -m

[12:22:17]

mzb:

x86_64

[12:22:24]

Dibblah:

No, since that would probably require illegalities ;)

[12:22:35]

ajh_:

How so?

[12:22:52]

Dibblah:

(There are no HD streams in the clear on any of the sats I know of)

[12:23:03]

ajh_:

anywhere in the world?

[12:23:20]

Dibblah:

Pretty much.

[12:23:27]

Dibblah:

Have a look on Lyngsat.

[12:23:28]

ajh_:

anyway, the HD is for a spec.

[12:23:37]

ajh_:

Mostly it would be SD.

[12:24:04]

juski:

saw a good few illegall sat & cable solutions at bowlers too. that place needs a fscking good raid

[12:24:13]

ajh_:

To be able to record and serve 4 simultaneous 720p streams.

[12:24:31]

Dibblah:

Recording is quite cheap.

[12:24:41]

juski:

I'd not been to Bowlers for ages & not really since I got into linux. all the hooky stuff going on sickened me if I'm honest

[12:24:44]

Dibblah:

Pretty much anything can do it.

[12:24:49]

ajh_:

Yes, but not wanting to over/underspec.

[12:25:02]

juski:

ajh_: recording even HD streams is p. easy

[12:25:11]

juski:

HD is like 18mbit/sec or so – MAX

[12:25:32]

ajh_:

So a G4/5 would be good?

[12:25:51]

juski:

I/O bandwidth is whatyou need more than CPU grunt

[12:26:04]

ajh_:

I'm stuck in a situation where I've got plenty of hardware but none of it matches what I need.

[12:26:18]

Dibblah:

Sell hardware. Buy what you need.

[12:26:18]

ajh_:

Think an Ultra-10 could do it? :)

[12:26:22]

Dibblah:

Job done. ;)

[12:26:25]

ajh_:

Not that easy :)

[12:26:37]

juski:

a single ata100 HDD I have here copes well recording 3 shows in SD at the same time while serving a frontend which is playing back a show

[12:26:38]

Hugolp:

hey, I have set up my dvb-t card to run under eit as general rule, but I have configured some programs to use the xmltv listing (cause in Spain is a lot more reliable than eit) but now those channels configured to use xmltv dont show in the program guide neither in the live tv

[12:26:44]

ajh_:

Want to buy a ZX6000 with 10G ram and two drives? :)

[12:26:47]

Hugolp:

how can I solve this?

[12:27:24]

Dibblah:

Hugolp: AFAIK, mixing xmltv and eit is not supported. (Read – Doesn't work predictably)

[12:27:42]

ajh_:

I really wish apple had decided to put something with various codec accel into the mac mini.

[12:27:44]

janneg:

ajh_: the G4/G5 are power macs? they should be more than enough if they have 4 pci slots

[12:28:04]

ajh_:

janneg, cool. 5 for sure is enough.

[12:28:26]

ajh_:

I wonder if the Ultra-10 has enough slots.

[12:28:34]

** ajh_ goes to look. **

[12:28:39]

janneg:

Dibblah: isn't the BBC HD test on plain DVB-S?

[12:28:54]

Dibblah:

For simplicity, I'd recommend PC hardware rather than Mac. Just because everyone uses it, etc.

[12:29:04]

Hugolp:

Dibblah: they just told me 15 minutes ago here that it was posible...

[12:29:37]

Dibblah:

janneg: S2, I thought, at least on 28.2...

[12:30:21]

ajh_:

Yep, 5 pci slots... 1 for an E1000 and 4 for capture cards.

[12:33:53]

janneg:

Dibblah: I was sure it's only DVB-S

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Dibblah:

janneg: I would rescan, but scanning is currently broken on SVN / DVB-s :(

[12:34:26]

Dibblah:

(Channels get duplicated, not bothered looking at it)

[12:34:29]

janneg:

huh? what's exactly broken

[12:34:58]

Dibblah:

New channels are populated beside old channels, data isn't merged.

[12:35:09]

janneg:

you could only scan the transponder

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Dibblah:

Could do. Need a backup first, though :)

[12:38:09]

Dibblah:

I probably don't have the horsepower to play it back :(

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ajh_:

ultra-10 has 5 openings, only 4 actual pci slots. Is 100baseT enough to serve 2 HD channels at 720p?

[12:38:39]

ajh_:

If so, and this works with the Nova-S I might be able to make it do what I want.

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janneg:

probably, but sparc is more obscure (as in less used) than powerpc. so things might be broken (DVB drivers, mythtv)

[12:42:18]

directhex:

and sparc performance is utter wank

[12:42:23]

stuarta:

yeah, getting the drivers to work could be fun

[12:43:17]

ajh_:

well, my other boxes are itanium2, ppc (old), etc.

[12:43:19]

janneg:

but performance doesn't really matter for recording only

[12:43:37]

directhex:

there'll be disk i/o issues

[12:43:44]

ajh_:

sata card

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gbee:

Hugolp: it IS possible

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directhex:

why, out of interest, do you have a collection of obscure mispurposed architectures?

[12:44:22]

Hugolp:

gbee: cool, can you tell me how?

[12:44:25]

ajh_:

build farm

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ajh_:

I don't think the mips or blackfins will work though :)

[12:44:48]

directhex:

hp-pa!

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janneg:

directhex: as long as they can saturate fast ethernet it shouldn't be a problem

[12:45:08]

ajh_:

I could grab an A500 actually :)

[12:45:13]

ajh_:

but, not enough pci slots

[12:45:15]

directhex:

s/390!

[12:45:44]

ajh_:

I don't want to run the itanic because of power requirements.....

[12:45:53]

directhex:

itanic's not that bad powerwise

[12:46:07]

directhex:

better than sparc

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gbee:

Hugolp: I don't know what you're doing wrong, it's not that difficult – but I can't really help just know as I'm supposed to be going out again

[12:46:16]

ajh_:

the macpro here probably is.

[12:46:42]

stuarta:

Hugolp: you said the xml channels aren't visible anymore.

[12:46:58]

stuarta:

sounds like you deselected visible rather than useonairguide

[12:48:58]

stuarta:

thats a bit odd.

[12:48:58]

Hugolp:

stuarta: I have checked and all the chanels are visible

[12:49:25]

Hugolp:

I am using .20 mythtv

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** stuarta goes back to using debian unstable **

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ajh_:

yeah, internal drives are 9 and 20G and not even ata, ide.

[12:51:37]

ajh_:

ok, dhcp server it is. :)

[12:51:45]

Hugolp:

so nobody have an idea of what can be going on?

[12:53:03]

stuarta:

what do you mean by "associate the channels"

[12:53:38]

Hugolp:

I said associate the turner or the chanels configured to eit or xmltv

[12:53:45]

Hugolp:

what part you meant?

[12:54:03]

stuarta:

talk through what you've done

[12:54:19]

Hugolp:

I went to the back end configuration

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Hugolp:

well I installed and configured xmltv first

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** stuarta nods **

[12:54:45]

Hugolp:

I went to the back end configuration

[12:54:56]

Hugolp:

I selected the fourth menu

[12:55:09]

Hugolp:

the one to asociate the turner with the video selection

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stuarta:

yup

[12:55:43]

Hugolp:

I set it to the spanish xmltv that I had configured in the 3r menu option

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Daviey:

Hey, can somebody remind me of the mythtv telnet port?

[12:56:16]

Hugolp:

I tried to leave the back end config but told me no initial channel

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Daviey:

6546, found it ta

[12:56:49]

Hugolp:

so I went back to channels (the fifth menu) and selected some chanels to use the xmltv (the ones I knew the xmltv had info)

[12:57:03]

Hugolp:

so I exit and run mythfilldatabase

[12:57:09]

Hugolp:

everything went fine

[12:57:14]

Hugolp:

I went into the front end

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Hugolp:

and in program guide and live tv there were only the xmltv channels

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Hugolp:

the ones suposed to use eit werent accesible

[12:57:44]

Hugolp:

I went to the back end config again

[12:58:37]

Hugolp:

and in the fourth menu I asociated the turner with the eit (instead of the xmltv spanish that I had asociated it to just before)

[12:58:49]

Hugolp:

I closed run mythfilldatabase and went to the front-end

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stuarta:

yup

[12:59:05]

Hugolp:

only the eit channels were accesible

[12:59:21]

stuarta:

i have to say i've never seen that happen before...

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Hugolp:

well... its happening

[12:59:58]

stuarta:

indeed.

[13:00:05]

Dibblah:

Heh. Yup. A x2 4000+ isn't enough for BBC HD :)

[13:00:07]

Hugolp:

I could try to reboot but I dont think thats going to do anything

[13:00:13]

stuarta:

the question is why.

[13:00:21]

stuarta:

Hugolp: rebooting is for windows

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stuarta:

99.9% it does nothing for linux

[13:01:12]

janneg:

Dibblah: it might be soon, on ffmpeg is a poc patch for multithreaded decoding

[13:01:36]

janneg:

Hugolp: have created more than one video source

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stuarta:

janneg: you wouldn't happen to have it as a patch for myth?

[13:01:56]

janneg:

atm not

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Hugolp:

janneg: of course, if not how can I change the source from eit to xmltv?

[13:02:03]

juski:

oo I know.. it's a bank holiday weekend... let's... let's go & buy a new sofa! :-|

[13:02:18]

stuarta:

juski: don't be silly

[13:02:35]

juski:

lol.. as if

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gardengnome:

juski: had that yesterday with clothes and today with food. not leaving the computer anymore today ;)

[13:02:47]

stuarta:

rubbernecking again?

[13:02:58]

janneg:

Hugolp: that's wrong, you can't easily assign more than than source to a dvb card

[13:03:02]

juski:

ah shite. the text has disappeared from projectgrayhem

[13:03:09]

juski:

svn revert

[13:03:12]

Dibblah:

janneg: Nice :)

[13:03:38]

juski:

stuarta: got caught in traffic earlier. went to get some grass seed. half hour trip. 2 hours later..

[13:04:24]

stuarta:

janneg: the question is, why can't you see channels under eit that have been set with useonairguide=0?

[13:04:37]

Hugolp:

janneg: basically you are telling me that is not posible to have some chanels of my dvb-t using the program guide provided by eit while other chanels of the dvb-t use the program guide provided by xmltv?

[13:05:19]

janneg:

Hugolp: no, you can, but not the they you set it up

[13:05:28]

Hugolp:

ok

[13:05:42]

Hugolp:

so how should I do it? a web page explaining will do

[13:06:30]

janneg:

you might noticed that the video source config screen as an option use eit if you configured the xmltv grabber

[13:06:41]

Hugolp:

yes

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juski:

gardengnome: I should be so lucky not to have to leave my computer. been up since 4.30am or so, got loads done already :D

[13:07:55]

Hugolp:

I saw that, but I though that was to update the xmltv info with the eit info and thats the last thing I want to do because the eit info in Spain is shit and keeps changing (even 5 minutes before the program start) so my recordings setings get overuled because they change

[13:08:00]

stuarta:

Hugolp: that needs to be ticked.

[13:08:03]

janneg:

activate that, bind the xmltv source to the dvb card, scan for channels and add manually the xmltvid to the channels you want to use xmltv for

[13:08:40]

Hugolp:

ok, but my xmltv info wont be updated with eit?

[13:08:55]

stuarta:

that's why we set useonairguide=0 for the xml channels

[13:09:05]

Hugolp:

ok cool thanks a lot

[13:09:09]

Hugolp:

I am going to try i now

[13:11:12]

juski:

whee no more arrows in projectgrayhem

[13:11:32]

stuarta:

oooo, put me down as a tester when it comes out again.

[13:12:12]

juski:

any fans of projectgrayhem here today btw? thinking of getting rid of the crappy ally look in the non-wide theme

[13:12:23]

stuarta:

which bits that?

[13:12:41]

juski:

see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/screenshots/pg1.jpg

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gardengnome:

juski: 4:30am? freak

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juski:

the top & bottom bits

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stuarta:

iirc correctly you added them in between the early releases and the last major one.

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stuarta:

personally. not a fan

[13:13:36]

juski:

stuarta: I know. went off them big style

[13:13:38]

stuarta:

of the light grey bits.

[13:13:52]

juski:

stuarta: would you prefer the shiny shiny like the screenshot I showed earlier?

[13:14:51]

juski:

I've already hacked the watermarks & given them a new look

[13:15:05]

juski:

they were *lame*

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stuarta:

yes, prefer that to the grey blobs

[13:15:22]

juski:

shiny shiny it is then!

[13:15:33]

juski:

ahh, the maturing of a theme...

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juski:

never know, I might be able to get rid of all the graphics I borrowed from the xbox skin

[13:17:30]

stuarta:

i think this week i'm going to get my own colo server.

[13:17:46]

stuarta:

well not so much colo, as dedicated server

[13:18:05]

juski:

rofl @ me... trying to use the myth menus in my art package.. silly

[13:18:19]

juski:

it looks so real!

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** directhex hands juski wax fruit **

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juski:

ooo 0 calories :)

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stuarta:

here, goes nothing, updating to debian unstable

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juski:

oo we have a new button. shiny!

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** janneg builds ffmpeg with multithreaded h264 **

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janneg:

I've just decided to sync ffmpeg again and prepare a patch with multithreaded h.264

[13:31:31]

stuarta:

nice.

[13:32:16]

juski:

nifty. h.264 hd playback – coming to a dual cpu mythbox near you.. maybe?

[13:32:26]

stuarta:

theoretically.

[13:32:36]

juski:

hence the 'maybe' :)

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juski:

I hope so. cos then I can go wax my credit card on a mac mini & secure my divorce

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gardengnome:

janneg: o/

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janneg:

it depends on the boadcasted stream. it must use multiple slices per frame

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janneg:

but I think all currently broadcasted stream do

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Dibblah:

janneg: If you need a tester,... :)

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janneg:

juski: is there any interesting h.264 HD content in the UK besides BBC HD in london and over DVB-S

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janneg:

Dibblah: 1/2 hour is probably the time I need

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Dibblah:

That's it. The rest is encrypted.

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Dibblah:

And S2. :(

[13:39:10]

Dibblah:

None on DVB-t UK-wide yet.

[13:39:45]

juski:

almost tempting to put my dish back up

[13:39:55]

Dibblah:

Gwan! It's fun!

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juski:

the one I had on the _back_ of my house, not the 90cm street facing monster that neighbour got

[13:40:14]

Dibblah:

Oh. Wait. No, it's not.

[13:40:19]

juski:

all it'll need is a new LNB

[13:40:27]

Dibblah:

Tuppence.

[13:40:39]

juski:

I'd borrow a sat meter though – aiming digital will be a mite trickier than analogue

[13:40:50]

Dibblah:

Get one from someone upgrading their Sky to Sky+...

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Dibblah:

juski: I wouldn't bother.

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juski:

no minidish boobah crap here

[13:41:13]

Dibblah:

Easier with szap / laptop.

[13:41:16]

Dibblah:

Oh. ;)

[13:41:30]

juski:

Dibblah: I like my signal in all weathers thanks

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juski:

not interrupted by cloud/cold/hot/rain/snow/sleet/drizzle

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Dibblah:

szap, two walkie-talkies and a friend in your case, then.

[13:42:18]

Dibblah:

There's always the damp cloth solution to that one.

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Dibblah:

(You put a damp cloth infront of the LNB, to attenuate the signal)

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juski:

Dibblah: you mean simulate bad weather & line it up better

[13:43:01]

Dibblah:

Sorta, yes.

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juski:

part of me misses sparklies. the same part that misses clicks & pops in my music

[13:43:32]

Dibblah:

But szap, depending on your card, gives pretty good signal levels.

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juski:

not much good if you're way off & you don't know it though

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Dibblah:

You won't be.

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Dibblah:

You've got ~.5 of a degree to play with.

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juski:

heh. as much as that eh

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Dibblah:

And you can line it up with a solar compass.

[13:44:46]

Dibblah:

(Okay, a sundial, then)

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juski:

always only ever done it by sight

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Dibblah:

You can see Astra from here?

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** Dibblah is impressed. **

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juski:

I can :)

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juski:

oops. I'm not sposed to tell anyone

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juski:

course I meant looking at other dishes & guessing :-P

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juski:

reckon that's what $ly blokeys do

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stuarta:

not a valid NPAPI plugin?

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Dagmar:

This will do for now I guess.

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juski:

that'll do? jesus

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Dagmar:

What?

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juski:

it's rather good, is all

[13:54:47]

janneg:

yeah, ffmpeg is decoding 1080p h.264 with 52fps (disabled audio, rawvideo output to /dev/null)

[13:54:49]

Dagmar:

I think for now I may just cheat and deliberately put buttons 3 & 4 directly under the shuffle & repeat buttons

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Dagmar:

juski: Thanks. I appreciate it

[13:55:16]

juski:

Dagmar: you're gonna have a major success on your hands

[13:55:26]

Dagmar:

Hopefully it'll come with groupies

[13:55:29]

Dagmar:

...and without buck teeth

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juski:

I just hope mythui isn't reworked before you get near finishing

[13:56:08]

Dagmar:

Enh... This is all SVG so it's not going to be terribly hard to redo so long as there's still XML involved

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juski:

I'm aiming to like all my themes again so that none get left behind when the UI has its guts pulled apart

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gardengnome:

fscking trac spammers.

[13:57:11]

juski:

course you realise that it's just as well English is the official federation language ;)

[13:57:13]

Dibblah:

janneg: Sounds nice.

[13:57:40]

Dibblah:

Must get round to figuring out what is making Myth more sucky than mplayer some time.

[13:57:57]

juski:

Dibblah: its fanbase? :-P

[13:58:18]

Dagmar:

juski: Oh yes.

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Dagmar:

Believe me that has been the justification for every image with text locked into it

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janneg:

Dibblah: there is at least a bug in the mpeg-ts or ac3 parser and in mythtv's av-sync code

[13:59:46]

Dagmar:

I fully expect to get at least one email to the effect of "why for you are to be breaking my using my home language?"

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Dagmar:

The answer is i18n < i20n

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juski:

"your theme I like very much! fix it please!"

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Dagmar:

i20n = intergalacticification

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Dibblah:

janneg: Causing slowdown, you mean, or with the sync?

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juski:

stuarta: www.juski.co.uk/grayhem.png

[14:06:40]

juski:

before I hit the commit button :)

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stuarta:

interesting :)

[14:07:09]

Zider:

sweet :)

[14:07:21]

juski:

I like projectgrayhem again!

[14:07:23]

Dagmar:

You need to sneak at least one hardcore porno box cover in tehre.

[14:07:33]

stuarta:

haha

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Dagmar:

Like, way off on the right where it can't easily be seen

[14:07:55]

Dagmar:

Something someone who is really familiar with porno might recognize, but no one else.

[14:07:56]

juski:

I dont have any porno covers

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Dagmar:

You're on the web.

[14:08:14]

Dagmar:

Find a site that sells porno DVDs and look up Debbie Does Dallas or something

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Hugolp:

yep, porno is what made dvd's and internet big

[14:09:08]

juski:

so er.. a popular hardcore title would be ....?

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juski:

a connoisseur's choice?

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ajh_:

anyone doing 1080p on a core-duo mini?

[14:10:13]

Zider:

connowhat?

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Zider:

ajh_: mini what?

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ajh_:

zider, chances are you aren't then. :)

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juski:

mini cars have core duos in em? wow

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ajh_:

OSX.

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Dagmar:

Debbie Does Dallas I think constitutes a classic

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Zider:

ajh_: ew

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Dagmar:

or "Behind The Green Door". I think there's probably a very simple cover art for that one

[14:11:11]

ajh_:

Why ew?

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Zider:

mac.. :P

[14:11:28]

Dagmar:

I'm at work or I'd look up one for you, but I think the might frown on that.

[14:11:30]

ajh_:

but you get the codec support, etc.

[14:11:36]

Dagmar:

s/frown on that/fire my ass/;

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juski:

actually you know.. take that cube gallery a step further.. games on one side, music on another.. videos on another..

[14:11:56]

Zider:

ajh_: so? mac is still ew in my eyes :P

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ajh_:

Mostly I want something that will look nice and also be a good tv-room pc.

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juski:

:-O

[14:12:14]

** stuarta pats his mac **

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** Zider kicks stuartas mac **

[14:12:25]

juski:

now THERE is a use for the cubey desktop thingy

[14:12:29]

Dagmar:

Yep

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ajh_:

Well, one of my desktops is a macpro :)

[14:12:43]

juski:

media tower!

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** juski patents his idea fast **

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stuarta:

shuttle pc

[14:13:31]

ajh_:

I guess the other option is MiniMyth and diskless.

[14:13:45]

juski:

ajh_: not on Epia hardware

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juski:

Epia boards stink of poo. hardly fast enough for SDTV let alone HD

[14:14:18]

ajh_:

Well, what would be recommended to do 1080p and still be quiet?

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juski:

a _real_ CPU

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Zider:

juski: the later C7 EPIAs does HDTV just fine

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Dr_willis:

apple tv? :)

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juski:

Zider: so wtf doesn't my epia play SDTV without stupid gaps?! (sob!)

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juski:

Dr_willis: for SDTV sure

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Zider:

juski: what EPIA is that?

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juski:

epia M10000

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Zider:

C3?

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ajh_:

Nvidia 7600GT good?

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juski:

gonna start calling em Epoo

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Zider:

ajh_: overkill more likely

[14:16:30]

juski:

if I sell all these case badges I'll be half way to owning a mac mini :)

[14:16:31]

ajh_:

It's sitting here in a box.

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Zider:

juski: donate the C3 to me ;)

[14:18:25]

juski:

Zider: it tends to vary between ok & not ok on different minimyth releases. been fine for ages on 0.20–19 of minimyth, but a recording from E4+1 the other night was gappy

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ajh_:

I've also got an Athlon 3000 with an ATI 7500 64M.

[14:18:37]

ajh_:

The machine is AGP though which is why I was thinking the other.

[14:18:55]

juski:

I'm really pissed off with it now. maybe it's an X problem – refresh rate or something

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Dr_willis:

THATS 2X MY MYTHTV BOX

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Dr_willis:

fdoh sry

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ajh_:

Doesn't sound like enough.

[14:19:40]

ajh_:

the wiki seems to say a 9600 and A64–3200 is minimum.

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Dr_willis:

amd anth 1.8 nvidia 5500

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ajh_:

Which is going to be tricky to get quiet without going liquid cooling.

[14:20:12]

Dr_willis:

bet ya want hd :)

[14:20:25]

ajh_:

720p for now, but 1080p later.

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ajh_:

hope this is worth it in the end. :)

[14:23:42]

mzb:

makes my overclocked p3–650 sound like a dinosaur ;)

[14:24:02]

mzb:

(with a g400 no less!)

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ajh_:

well, my rule is anything I put in place needs to be basically maintenance free once it's working, I just don't have time to mess with things twice.

[14:25:04]

ajh_:

I'd rather be climbing or skiing than fixing pc's.

[14:25:23]

mzb:

I'd better not ask you to repeat yourself then :)

[14:25:57]

ajh_:

right now I'm mostly doing it as a way to destress from OLS planning.

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juski:

stuarta: remember that dodgy playback issue I was having a while back? reckon that could be the refresh rate to blame for the speedup/slowdown/never get it right issue?

[14:28:11]

stuarta:

dunno quite how the refresh rate would affect that.

[14:28:52]

juski:

timing

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juski:

just a recent users list post brought it to my attention

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juski:

seems to be the same symptoms to me

[14:29:44]

juski:

only happens when bob deint is enabled

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stuarta:

ah, i never use bob

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mzb:

I'm having problems with jagged edges (horizontal) on fast-moving objects (during watch tv) ... is this likely to be cpu or bus/bandwidth related?

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juski:

it's almost definitely related to the fact you need to enable deinterlacing

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mzb:

and as a side note: when I select OSD why isn't signal strength shown? (it is when I change the channel)

[14:36:21]

mzb:

juski: really?

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stuarta:

you card driver may not support signal strength

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mzb:

it's only on scenes with fast moving objects

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juski:

mzb: sig strength is only displayed for digital signals from tuners AFAIK

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mzb:

yes, I understand that ... as I said ... when I choose the channel, signal strength is shown, but when I select OSD (is it O or I?) I don't get signal strangth info

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juski:

ah it's only shown when you change channel. that'd be called a feature

[14:38:31]

mzb:

re: jagged edges: I don't get problems with anything else on the screen: only the "objects" (eg a car going across the screen)

[14:38:42]

juski:

mzb: you need to enable deinterlacing

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mzb:

juski: lol.... ok thx

[14:38:48]

juski:

I won't repeat myself again

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stuarta:

sometimes it's an encoding artifact cause they are trying to cram too much into too little bandwidth

[14:39:08]

juski:

as for which method works best – try them all & decide while you like

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juski:

stuarta: tends to be lego/duplo blocks more than thin lines though ;)

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mzb:

ok, I'll try that ... didn't have much luck with it before ... maybe I was experimenting with only the g400 interlace settings, rather than mythtv's? (ps. I'm not asking you to repeat .. only clarify)

[14:40:09]

juski:

we're still thinking of dumping DuploTV (virgin media)

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juski:

mzb: try in mythtv first

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mzb:

k, thx, will do

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hads:

Frame tearing – which I'm assuming you are talking about, got better for me when I upgraded. Surprisingly.

[14:42:05]

hads:

Although the problem will have a lot to do with what monitor you are viewing from.

[14:42:15]

juski:

hads: frame tearing isn't a jagged edge thing so much

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mzb:

I actually suspect it's bandwidth problems with the ALi USB2 card I'm using ... but I'm prepared to try out the interlace suggestion

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mzb:

(it's much too coarse imho to be interlace related)

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ajh_:

anyone using an Antec Fusion?

[14:45:08]

ajh_:

http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15738#

[14:47:33]

mzb:

juski: more coarse than pixel-high ... I'd guess at 5–10 ?

[14:48:17]

janneg:

this ffmpeg sync is painful

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mzb:

ps: I can't find interlace settings. They're in frontend somwhere, I assume? (heh ... maybe mythtv needs a settings search engine? ;) )

[14:48:49]

hads:

Bearing in mind that no one should listen to me at this time of night. Especially at this time of night.

[14:49:25]

mzb:

mind you ... I'm not _that_ worried about watching live tv on the mythbox ... just want to know what the problem is

[14:49:53]

mzb:

as long as recording/playback work ok I'll be happy with the project

[14:50:05]

mzb:

(running such a slow machine, and all)

[14:50:51]

mzb:

I am a little frustrated at times trying to find settings though ... I assume that feeling wears off with familiarity ;)

[14:51:10]

Hugolp:

HI

[14:51:27]

Hugolp:

ok, I set up the xmltv video source with eit option activated

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Hugolp:

then I do a channel scan

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Hugolp:

all the channels apears to be set to be using eit on default

[14:52:24]

Hugolp:

so I uncheck the box that sais use on air guide for the programs I know that are on the xmltv list

[14:53:01]

Hugolp:

then I quit the back end config and run mythfilldatabase it seems to get the info from the internet right

[14:53:18]

Sid`:

ur an internet

[14:53:50]

Hugolp:

anyone can heko=

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Hugolp:

*help?

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stuarta:

did you clear out all the old data first?

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stuarta:

sounds like you have data from before

[14:56:29]

stuarta:

so. 1. stop the backend

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stuarta:

2. go into mysql

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stuarta:

3. delete from program; delete from eit_cache;

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stuarta:

4. rerun mythfilldatabase

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Hugolp:

stuarta yes

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Hugolp:

I deleted all the video sources, so all the programs where deleted and I had to scan again

[14:58:42]

Hugolp:

do I need to go into mysql anyway?

[14:58:57]

Hugolp:

some programs that should have the xmltv data dont have any data

[14:59:06]

Hugolp:

so I am guessing the data was deleted

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hads:

Guessing often doesn't work out that well.

[15:00:36]

Hugolp:

well that was a way of speaking, if the data is no showing its because it was deleted

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Hugolp:

and some chanels wich have the eit disable are getting data from the eit

[15:03:33]

Hugolp:

pfffff

[15:04:05]

mzb:

juski: I enabled kernel deinterlace which seems to have helped, but without a real way of testing I can't really tell. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll keep experimenting.

[15:04:18]

stuarta:

Hugolp: pastebin the output of select name, useonairguide as EIT, visible as vis, xmltvid from channel;

[15:05:20]

Hugolp:

stuarta: sorry I dont get that

[15:05:45]

Hugolp:

stuarta: what do you want me to do?

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stuarta:

run that command in mysql

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stuarta:

and stick the output into a pastebin (http://pastebin.ca)

[15:11:08]

mzb:

where is the "Last viewed channel" stored in the database? (I assume it has to be somewhere)

[15:11:53]

stuarta:

cardinput.startchan

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janneg:

mzb: no it isn't (except you have only one card)

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** stuarta disagrees with janneg **

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mzb:

ah ... so how can I get it to start at a different channel?

[15:12:48]

stuarta:

you get 1 guess

[15:12:59]

mzb:

(assuming the last channel made me *cough* crash)

[15:13:23]

mzb:

err.... change that ... let's say that watching hdtv live isn't such a hot idea ;)

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janneg:

stuarta: we're not really disagreeing

[15:13:58]

janneg:

mzb: yeah, then just change cardinput.startchan

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stuarta:

true it's not technically the last "viewed", but the last "used" on that input

[15:14:18]

mzb:

that's a backend setting though, right?

[15:14:46]

mzb:

is there a way of selecting a start channel from the frontend?

[15:15:49]

stuarta:

no, you would have to use the setup, or change the DB direct

[15:16:37]

mzb:

that seems a bit painful ... I can record hd (I think), but not watch it ... if I select hd by mistake I basically have to login remotely via ssh to reconfigure ... surely there's an easier way

[15:17:00]

mzb:

DB ... where?

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stuarta:

you can start watching live tv, and then type in a new channel while it's attempting to startup

[15:17:29]

stuarta:

a bit challenging, but should work

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mzb:

hmm ... maybe my fingers just aren't fast enough :) ... I'll try again

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Hugolp:

stuarta: I only know how to use mysql through phpmyadmin and I cant finde those things

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Hugolp:

can you tell me what am I supose to put in terminal to give you the info?

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stuarta:

mysql -u <username> -p mythconverg

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stuarta:

use the username/password you use in phpmyadmin

[15:20:06]

Hugolp:

ok Im in

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Hugolp:

now what do I put in mysql>?

[15:20:32]

mzb:

hmm ... I seem to remember how I got out of this last time ... I turned on the option that allows to change channels without hitting enter ... and then did as you said stuarta .... just painful though! :))

[15:20:33]

stuarta:

select name, useonairguide as EIT, visible as vis, xmltvid from channel;

[15:22:16]

Hugolp:

stuarta: http://pastebin.ca/511598

[15:22:19]

mzb:

I might have to setup a button to kill mythfrontend, and also a script to set the tuner to a safe channel on startup

[15:22:46]

stuarta:

what's the name of a channel suffering from eit when it's meant to be xml?

[15:23:03]

Hugolp:

ANTENA 3 for example

[15:23:21]

Hugolp:

TVE 1 doesnt have any info

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stuarta:

you haven't got any xmltvid's

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stuarta:

so the tv grab won't be able to associate the xml data with the channel

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Hugolp:

so how do I do that? it was working before when eit wasnt selected

[15:24:45]

stuarta:

as janneg mentioned you need to populate the xmltvid of the channel with the xmltvid that your grabber uses for that channel.

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Hugolp:

I am doing so

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Hugolp:

it was working before, when I told you I could only see the programs of the xmltv I could see the guide as well

[15:25:59]

Hugolp:

and eit for xmltv was disable

[15:26:29]

Hugolp:

I have just allowed eit for xmltv video source and I am getting that result

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mzb:

ok, that seems quite watchable ... more config+play next time ... thanks all for your help

[15:48:12]

mzb:

time for bed. gnite!

[15:51:05]

** juski was just about to suggest finding channels with news tickers and/or shows with loads of sideways action to help find the best deint for ya **

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nuonguy:

are digital optical audio connecters supposed to light up?

[16:02:27]

juski:

nuonguy: outputs generally do, yes

[16:02:39]

nuonguy:

the one on my motherboard didn't...

[16:02:46]

nuonguy:

and of course I got no audio

[16:02:56]

juski:

then maybe IEC958 isn't enabled in your linuxy mixer

[16:03:13]

nuonguy:

juski: I think you and I were chatting two nights ago about my motherboard

[16:03:29]

juski:

I think if anybody talked to me about a motherboard I'd fall asleep

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nuonguy:

IEC98? Is that what the connector or the protocol is called?

[16:03:50]

juski:

IEC958 == SPDIF

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nuonguy:

ah

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juski:

godknows why the alsa guys didn't just call it 'SPDIF' & have done with it

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nuonguy:

"alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"

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juski:

presumably because it can be either optical or coaxial – and only one can be spdif :)

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nuonguy:

I don't know how to debug audio issues

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juski:

erm.. try in #alsa

[16:05:29]

nuonguy:

hey, good idea, juski

[16:05:31]

juski:

you'll be taught how to suck eggs there for sure

[16:05:50]

juski:

bless em though – they show a lot more restraint than I would

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nuonguy:

are you saying that they're not very newb friendly?

[16:06:41]

juski:

I'm saying they must get very tired of the same newbish issues day in day out, all day long

[16:06:55]

juski:

they're well equipped to deal with more complex matters though :)

[16:07:20]

juski:

just do as they ask when you log in.. check the alsadriver.org faqs etc

[16:07:33]

nuonguy:

http://alsa.opensrc.org/ seems nice

[16:09:25]

juski:

dooo de dooo dee dooo...

[16:09:36]

juski:

bye bye nasty grey in grayhem..

[16:09:44]

juski:

hello shiny black

[16:10:24]

nuonguy:

aplay -L doesn't list any IEC958 devices

[16:10:40]

juski:

that might be part of the problem then

[16:11:04]

juski:

the alsa mailing list might yield some good search results with your motherboard make/model

[16:11:14]

nuonguy:

it lists all the traditional analog connectors which are on the back of the motherboard

[16:15:42]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/prev2.png – stick that in yer frontend!

[16:17:26]

GreyFoxx:

nice

[16:17:55]

juski:

thanks. I'm rather partial to it myself :)

[16:18:10]

juski:

I hope nobody's too fond of the old grayhem :-P

[16:18:20]

GreyFoxx:

heh too bad for them

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juski:

more contrast is better!

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juski:

evening xris

[16:19:00]

GreyFoxx:

I can't wait to setup everything on a projector after I move. Finally a Widescreen frontend hehe

[16:19:40]

juski:

wheee!

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juski:

welcome to the 21st century, GreyFoxx !

[16:20:21]

GreyFoxx:

I'm highly tempted to order HDTV service from the ccable company. They intentionally ensure all firewire ports are enabled

[16:20:25]

GreyFoxx:

for all channels

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GreyFoxx:

and they have stb's with dual tuners and 2 firewire outputs so I can record 2 at once of the single box

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juski:

bloody hell! nifty

[16:21:41]

GreyFoxx:

I called and spoke to their tech department to make sure of it

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juski:

sometimes I think it's a shame we don't have an FCC in the UK..

[16:21:57]

GreyFoxx:

they just don't support it, so they wont help me access it

[16:22:03]

GreyFoxx:

Neither do we :)

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juski:

rather we do, but it's toothless

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juski:

GreyFoxx: yeah but in Canada, it's always been er.. better in that kind of way has it not?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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juski:

look the other way ;)

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Dagmar:

damn comcast

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GreyFoxx:

infact every single analog cable channel is availabnle digitally in the clear

[16:25:02]

juski:

this is the theme I set out to make!

[16:25:11]

GreyFoxx:

juski: hehe cool

[16:25:26]

juski:

ROFLMAO.. I guess mythweather IS slightly broken

[16:25:54]

Dagmar:

It's not "func(" where you are?

[16:26:09]

juski:

til at least tomorrow it is

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juski:

with a low of -53

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juski:

ah maybe my locale has been corrupted & is set to Saturn by mistake

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a5benwillis:

the new mythweather patch works well

[16:27:55]

juski:

well I'm happy with these updates. time to roll out

[16:32:31]

sphery:

russellb: You there?

[16:32:45]

russellb:

sphery: yeah

[16:32:53]

sphery:

Got a quick question--just trying to understand.

[16:32:58]

russellb:

sure

[16:33:19]

sphery:

The double (or more) submission of tickets occurs quite frequently, so I was wondering what happened?

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sphery:

Is it an issue with what's displayed after you submit or just a double click or browser thing?

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russellb:

I had checked "i have files to attach" and filled out the ticket and clicked submit, but then clicked back to add something to the ticket, and did it again ...

[16:35:35]

sphery:

Oh. So, basically, Trac needs some duplicate submission checks...

[16:35:36]

russellb:

I guess I was thinking the ticket wouldn't be created until I had finished everything, including uploading files

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sphery:

Just wondering if it was something easy to fix.

[16:35:51]

russellb:

doesn't look like it

[16:35:58]

sphery:

Yeah. It makes sense that it should be a "transactional" submission...

[16:36:07]

russellb:

I think if they let the file attachment thing be part of the submission process, and not actually create the ticket until that was done ...

[16:36:19]

jams:

russellb- that has gotten me several times as well

[16:36:20]

sphery:

Oh, and BTW, this might be useful for you, too... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/269002#269002

[16:36:45]

sphery:

Yeah. I see it happening a lot and didn't know why it's so common. That sounds very much like what typically happens, too...

[16:37:07]

sphery:

Usually we get multiple only when there are files attached.

[16:37:13]

juski:

jams: what do you reckon to the new-look grayhem?

[16:37:22]

russellb:

sphery: oh, cool. That annoyed me, too :)

[16:37:23]

sphery:

I'm not really in the Trac-hacking mood, so I'm unlikely to fix it.

[16:37:30]

jams:

any other pics beside prev2 ?

[16:37:38]

jams:

juski- any other pics beside prev2 ?

[16:37:54]

juski:

er...

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sphery:

russellb: Yeah. Eventually, they'll probably upgrade Trac again and it may fix the reported by issue...

[16:38:12]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/newgrayhem.png and www.juski.co.uk/grayhem.png

[16:38:14]

sphery:

Again, though, I'd rather spend my hacking time on some project other than Trac (like Myth)

[16:38:30]

russellb:

understood

[16:38:38]

russellb:

i'm just a trac n00b.

[16:38:44]

** sphery can't wait until juski becomes the official theme guy... :) **

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jams:

heh..guess my info was outdated

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russellb:

i'm trying to hack on myth when i have free time ... but i'm just hacking in random spots right now

[16:39:43]

jams:

it's much better...but still that "mythtv" in the upper left needs work

[16:39:44]

russellb:

sphery: yeah, that's fine. I don't mind.

[16:39:48]

jams:

it's always bugged me

[16:39:48]

sphery:

Finding the time is always tough.

[16:40:04]

juski:

sphery: have you noticed the improved default graphics ? those should improve a lot of other themes

[16:40:08]

sphery:

I have about 4 times as many projects for Myth going as I have time to finish.

[16:40:08]

jams:

i really like the subtl gloss affect

[16:40:19]

sphery:

juski: Haven't really looked.

[16:40:20]

juski:

jams: yeah I agree. it needs to be metal, like the official logo stylee

[16:40:24]

russellb:

sphery: nice.

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sphery:

I just upgraded this week (and got them), but I haven't had time to watch any TV... :)

[16:40:54]

juski:

sphery: well, they're very slightly different.. much smoother though

[16:41:28]

juski:

ah screw it. before I make my new screenshots I'm gonna change the logo

[16:41:35]

sphery:

cool. I'll check it out sometime this weekend.

[16:41:39]

juski:

jams made me do it!

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jams:

heh

[16:42:07]

juski:

and before anybody asks, NO I don't know where all this motivation has come from

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gardengnome:

juski: methamphetamine

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sphery:

juski: I'm finding that artistry is just not something that a non-artist can fake by spending more time than an artist would.

[16:43:05]

juski:

you been spiking me?

[16:43:27]

juski:

that's why I felt like cornholio the other day

[16:43:28]

juski:

man!

[16:43:33]

gbee:

need a good green theme

[16:43:43]

sphery:

I'm starting to think I'm totally incapable of creating that flag...

[16:44:02]

juski:

NIGT!

[16:44:10]

juski:

not enough green themes :)

[16:44:18]

juski:

lol... oops

[16:44:23]

jams:

i only know of one

[16:44:27]

sphery:

I may end up finding a public domain eighth note (quaver :) image and tracing its flag.

[16:44:32]

juski:

syth-green

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russellb:

i need someone to give me a project ... i'm not familiar enough with the codebase yet to come up with my own. :) Or, I can keep browsing random code and fixing little bugs and doing performance tweaks here and there ...

[16:44:42]

jams:

maybe two..but the first one hasn't been around i na while

[16:44:52]

Dagmar:

sphery: It's a nib stroke

[16:44:53]

sphery:

If the rest of my note is from scratch, that should be good enough for the GPL...

[16:44:57]

juski:

jams: so there's your one.. and the other.?

[16:44:58]

jams:

juski- yes..and i really need to adjust the green on syth

[16:45:14]

sphery:

Dagmar: you an artist?

[16:45:26]

Dagmar:

Sort of

[16:45:29]

juski:

gbee: ubuntu peeps wanted a brown one to go with the skidmarks on the desktop

[16:45:42]

jams:

juski the other one was a variation on illius

[16:45:43]

juski:

brown! :-|

[16:45:48]

Dagmar:

In this case it's equal parts classical musician and calligrapher

[16:45:50]

russellb:

ewww

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sphery:

Dagmar: any chance you'd like to put a flag on an eighth note I'm planning to use to put in the FreeFont fonts so we'll have music notes in captions?

[16:46:13]

gbee:

heh

[16:46:27]

jams:

made by the same guy (i think) who did the corners osd

[16:46:49]

Dagmar:

sphery: Possibly so, lemme see if fontographer is still installed on this thing

[16:47:07]

sphery:

russellb: The random fixes are far more valuable than you may realize. After all, look at gbee's latest work (#3506)...

[16:47:25]

sphery:

Dagmar: I've got the stuff for getting it into the font.

[16:47:39]

sphery:

I'm trying to come up with some images I can use to create the glyphs (from tracing).

[16:47:49]

gbee:

actually, I think I could like a good brown theme – at least it would be something different from all the blue/grey themes which whilst nice, dominate most computer/media things

[16:48:25]

sphery:

Dagmar: I can send you the gimp image I have so far. Bunch of layers that you can turn on/off for the different parts of the note. I'm sure it could use an artistic touch.

[16:48:48]

sphery:

Dagmar: I'm trying to get all of these: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythCaptionFont/

[16:48:50]

juski:

I saw MCE at Bowlers today.. had a play. spiffy animations but not always fast. definitely noticed a slowdown when it was playing music

[16:48:56]

Dagmar:

sphery: If you'll gimme a few minutes I'll just send you an SVG

[16:49:07]

sphery:

Nice. That would work well.

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newman_t:

I am having trouble with LIRC on FC6, can someone help me?

[16:53:16]

gbee:

russellb: as sphery says, random fixes are valuable – well all fixes are valuable and probably more than new features

[16:53:53]

sphery:

Dagmar: If you'd like to see what I've done so far (more geometric than artistic), I put a copy of the image at http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythCaptionFont/Note.xcf . Remember, though, I have no artistic talent.

[16:54:45]

Dagmar:

You're going to hate me for this then

[16:54:48]

sphery:

gbee: Definitely true. Many of us (me included) seem to spend more time putting in new features (and things needing fixing) than fixing things that are broken.

[16:55:30]

Dagmar:

Oh no wait nevermind...

[16:55:49]

sphery:

Dagmar: I've been stuck on this for about 2 weeks, so if you get me to the point I can move on to my next project (and one that people may actually notice), I'll be very happy (and owe you a few beers),.

[16:55:52]

Dagmar:

sphery: If you want large sharp/flat/natural, go to http://www.decodeunicode.org/w3.php?nodeId=9940&page=1

[16:56:04]

sphery:

What about licensing on those?

[16:56:42]

sphery:

Those are actually what I used in my test font, but I didn't think they'd be usable in a GPL font.

[16:56:46]

gbee:

sphery: we all do it and I think I've already said that I never even started out intending to fix those two issues, but in investigating a related problem I spotted something I knew could be improved

[16:57:30]

Dagmar:

sphery: I'm about to leave the office for the day, but if this isn't sorted in the next 12 hours (when I come back on shift) I will spend an hour and crank up some SVG images

[16:57:50]

Dagmar:

sphery: I don't mean for the images to be used directly, but traced/eyeballed/whatever into some other program and THEN rendered

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Dagmar:

By the way, this stuff is WAY easier in Inkscape than it is in Gimp

[16:58:12]

sphery:

gbee: Well, I for one am very glad you're fixing them. I've "been meaning" to go in and look at the way we're handling images because the frontend memory usage was a bit out of control.

[16:58:19]

gbee:

luckily the fixes were damn simple – I spent more time reading and understanding the existing code than I did in writing the fix

[16:58:36]

sphery:

Dagmar: Sounds good. Thanks a lot. I really am in over my head on this one.

[16:58:58]

sphery:

Oh, and thanks for the Inkscape tip. I've been too afraid of Inkscape to try it, yet...

[16:59:46]

newman_t:

Is there anyone out there that could assist me in trouble-shooting LIRC on FC6?

[16:59:50]

sphery:

gbee: I think that's how most fixes tend to turn out. After hours of reading and learning, you write a few lines of code that you figure others will see and say, "That's all?"

[17:03:21]

sphery:

newman_t: You may want to just ask. If someone has some useful info, they're likely to provide it. :)

[17:03:21]

Dagmar:

I'll have it done in about 13–13.5 hours (hour and a half after I get back to work)

[17:03:39]

sphery:

Nice. Thanks a /lot/.

[17:04:05]

juski:

jams: see what you think: www.juski.co.uk/new/

[17:04:20]

juski:

much better logo I think

[17:04:51]

sphery:

BTW, I may not be hanging out in here, but you can leave a message for me here or at the e-mail address on http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythCaptionFont/ (starts with mtdean).

[17:04:55]

jams:

oh that MUCH better

[17:05:25]

newman_t:

OK. This my be long winded. I have installed MythTV using Jarod's helpful guide. Everything works including LIRC (irw and MythTV) before I rebooted. Since the reboot I get "lirc dead but subsys locked"... /dev/lirc0 no longer exists.

[17:05:27]

jams:

i always thought the other one looked little pebbles

[17:05:44]

juski:

heh. cheers. gonna go with this one then

[17:06:32]

sphery:

newman_t: have you done an "ls /dev/lirc*"

[17:07:12]

jams:

juski- one of these days i'm going to finish that telnet script to walkthough a theme and take snapshots

[17:07:23]

jams:

and by finish i mean start

[17:07:25]

newman_t:

yes the result is:

[17:07:47]

sphery:

juski is seriously motivated... Just yesterday you were saying, "someday," about fixing Grayhem

[17:07:53]

jams:

thought it would make regression testing easier

[17:08:09]

juski:

jams: lol yeah great idea!

[17:08:34]

juski:

sphery: well, I woke up at 4.30 today – felt like smoking so I themed instead

[17:08:47]

jams:

did a proof on concept for the main menus once. it works well

[17:09:36]

sphery:

So, it sounds like you a) didn't insert the appropriate module (lirc_serial, lirc_i2c, lirc_atiusb, ...) or b) udev or something didn't create the /dev/lirc0 device.

[17:09:43]

Dagmar:

Yep. Gettin' booted from the office now. *sigh*

[17:09:43]

** juski imagines the top & bottom bars of the new theme swishing out of view as the menu fades & zooms out **

[17:09:44]

newman_t:

I am using the PVR-150 with internal remoted detector.. yeah I understand that but I was grasping at straws. Is there any other information that would speed up the conversation?

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Dagmar:

newman_t: reading the LIRC docs

[17:10:02]

dr_willis:

Hay all. i just noticed somthing. Under KnoppMyth – My Mythtv box had a nice directory/listing of recorded shows (well links) with the show name/date – but on my Ubuntu MythTV install – it dosent seem todo that. IS this a Knoppmyth only feature? or just somthign I need to configure in Mythtv?

[17:10:10]

juski:

next time I'm bored I think I'll mock up some fancy theme animations

[17:10:10]

Dagmar:

newman_t: googling typically works pretty well, too

[17:10:30]

newman_t:

Darmar – good one.. I have been reading this stuff for days now :'(

[17:10:35]

sphery:

newman_t: So, rm /dev/lirc0 .

[17:10:54]

gardengnome:

dr_willis: you need mythrename.pl

[17:11:07]

Dagmar:

newman_t: Considering I found not one, but two HOWTOs specificaly *for* the PVR-150's IR reciever and remote not only two nights ago

[17:11:12]

sphery:

newman_t: Then, if you could http://pastebin.ca/ the output of /sbin/lsmod , I'll see what modules you have.

[17:12:24]

juski:

right! I'm not doing any more theming today!

[17:12:51]

sphery:

juski: You're welcome to come by my house to rebuild my pressure washer and pressure wash the house... :)

[17:13:29]

juski:

god I hope this theme is finished now

[17:13:43]

sphery:

juski: The bar-swish does sound cool... Perhaps it's not quite finished. :)

[17:14:06]

jams:

yeah it's easy to get tired of looking at those same screens

[17:14:37]

newman_t:

http://pastebin.ca/raw/511948

[17:14:48]

juski:

projectGHEYhem-wide is next, then blootube-wide

[17:15:11]

juski:

some of blootube-wide's watermarks stink of poo

[17:15:15]

juski:

rush jobs

[17:15:44]

juski:

the zoneminder one, eg

[17:16:00]

newman_t:

This has been a real pain, I have had the system working twice, rebooted and things fall apart! You help is greatly appreicated. My wife has been giving me hell for having the system down.

[17:16:28]

dr_willis:

gardengnome, ok. thats a start.

[17:16:34]

gardengnome:

i love those "i blame #mythtv-users for getting divorced" ;)

[17:16:48]

sphery:

newman_t: what does "find /dev -name '*lirc*'" give you (as root)?

[17:16:53]

sphery:

Do you see a lirc0?

[17:16:55]

juski:

newman_t: just make sure you go down more often than the mythbox does!

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newman_t:

Dagmar: would you happed to have the links to the how-tos at your finger-tips?

[17:17:23]

sphery:

It's possible that FC uses a different location for the device.

[17:17:56]

juski:

gardengnome: heh

[17:17:56]

newman_t:

find /dev -name '*lirc*' returns with /dev/lircd

[17:18:33]

sphery:

OK, let's try "rmmod lirc_i2c lirc_dev"

[17:18:37]

juski:

diff'rent pokes for diff'rent folks I spose...

[17:18:46]

sphery:

followed by "modprobe lirc_i2c"

[17:18:52]

sphery:

Then check for devices.

[17:19:08]

juski:

well I can't sit here admiring my new mythtv case badges & a spanky revitalised theme all night. people in this house need to eat

[17:19:34]

gardengnome:

juski: cooking by telephong?

[17:20:01]

juski:

I wish

[17:20:02]

newman_t:

did the rmmod and modprobe still returns with /dev/lircd

[17:22:21]

sphery:

newman_t: try running the lircd stop script and then the start script (something like /etc/init.d/lircd stop )

[17:22:30]

sphery:

then a start

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newman_t:

Did the stop/start thing. The stop said FAILED and the start said OK. If I do a irw; irw returns with no output back to the prompt and a status gives me "lirc dead..."

[17:24:25]

sphery:

OK.

[17:25:01]

sphery:

(I'm thinking now that you FC people do some kind of "service lircd start" kind of thing...)

[17:25:28]

sphery:

let's do something else (as root or sudo'ed): mknod -m 666 /dev/lirc0 c 61 0

[17:25:40]

newman_t:

This is very strange that on two occations I have had things working, no real effort on my part to get it working; then it dies again. One time I simply moved the PC from one room to another and things started to work, rebooted and dead again.

[17:25:43]

sphery:

Then try a restart of lirc

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sphery:

Hmmm... Interesting. I've heard that there's an almost invisible "notch" on the PVR-150 remote cable that must be in the right place for it to be completely plugged in (assuming you're not using the USB one since you're using lirc_i2c). If the device isn't available, udev shouldn't create the device node even with the modules loaded...

[17:27:51]

sphery:

In other words, we should also check the connection...

[17:28:02]

sphery:

Make sure the cable is plugged in all the way.

[17:28:27]

sphery:

Try the connection thing next, please.

[17:28:35]

daum:

hi all for some reason the status box when mythtv is playing a recording and i fastfoward doesn't show anymore.

[17:28:52]

sphery:

It would be easy for the cable to turn a little bit while moving things (or when you plug it back in).

[17:29:18]

** sphery doesn't use fast forward **

[17:29:36]

sphery:

Sorry, I can't help. I just skip/jump through my recordings.

[17:29:58]

newman_t:

I have disconneted and reconnected the cable, no dice.

[17:30:10]

sphery:

newman_t: You may also need to rmmod/modprobe the modules for it to recognize the device

[17:30:38]

sphery:

But, you should probably rm /dev/lirc0 before modprobing lirc_i2c

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newman_t:

I thnks we are getting closer.. at least I have /dev/lirc0 now. I will do the rmmod and modprobe.

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ajh_:

anyone here know a lot about multiswitches?

[17:31:49]

Dibblah:

ajh_: Why?

[17:31:51]

sphery:

It may also be good to shut down, then verify the connection, then boot. That way, you'll be in the state you would from a normal boot.

[17:32:01]

Dibblah:

And DVB or Dish, etc?

[17:32:17]

ajh_:

dib, because most of the resources I've seen are vague. It's 'dish' hardware legacy stuff.

[17:32:30]

Dibblah:

Dump it.

[17:32:42]

Dibblah:

It's really not worth the hassle IMHO.

[17:32:54]

ajh_:

Versus what?

[17:33:06]

Dibblah:

Proper DVB DISEQC switches.

[17:33:20]

ajh_:

That's where the questions come in.

[17:33:25]

newman_t:

Tried the rmmod/modprobe/mknod... irw still dies :-@

[17:33:54]

ajh_:

I need 4–6 outputs with both left and right on them, from 8 inputs.

[17:34:13]

Dibblah:

Ah. A matrix switch.

[17:34:28]

ajh_:

So the question is can I just plug a 2–1 diseqc into each dual lnb and those into another switch for distribution?

[17:35:07]

ajh_:

I saw a diagram showing how to do it properly last week, but I'm having no luck finding it again.

[17:35:15]

newman_t:

I have also used MythDora (the newst one) and it does the same thing.

[17:35:45]

Dibblah:

If I understand you correctly, no.

[17:35:50]

Dibblah:

8 inputs?

[17:35:57]

ajh_:

Yes, 4 dual lnbs.

[17:36:17]

Dibblah:

You only need 4, surely? Or are they pointing at different birds?

[17:36:32]

ajh_:

4 at one slot, 4 at another.

[17:38:05]

sphery:

newman_t: I'm out of ideas. Sorry.

[17:38:41]

sphery:

I'm sure if you keep at it, you'll eventually find the issue (and probably be upset by how easy it is to fix :).

[17:38:50]

newman_t:

What needs to be done to reset the system as if I have never installed lirc... when I first setup the system things worked great, maybe if I retrace my steps I can get it working, but the question then becomes: What happens during a reboot that breaks things?

[17:40:50]

gbee:

newman_t: during a reboot, certain settings or modules you may have installed could be removed unless you tell the OS to make sure they are loaded – e.g. in the case of a kernel module "modprobe" or "insmod" may load it, but only until you reboot

[17:41:00]

sphery:

I don't know FC/RPM stuff well enought to answer that.

[17:41:33]

gbee:

you need to make sure it's specified in /etc/modules or /etc/modprobe.preload (differs depending on the distro)

[17:42:10]

Dibblah:

... Transmit?

[17:42:12]

gbee:

transmit? err no

[17:42:14]

ajh_:

Yes.

[17:42:15]

sphery:

There's probably a more up-to-date version of that page.

[17:42:24]

ajh_:

or dvb-t over IP.

[17:42:31]

Dibblah:

No.

[17:42:38]

ajh_:

Know of a tool that can?

[17:42:52]

Dibblah:

However, Myth saves the stream as it's recorded.

[17:43:01]

ajh_:

I guess I could just netcat :)

[17:43:06]

newman_t:

Thanks for the help... I will continue to dig. I will tried to give you an update later (whether you want it or not).

[17:43:08]

ajh_:

but I was hoping to use ScTP

[17:43:10]

Dibblah:

So anything that is usually used in broadcast should work – VLC, etc.

[17:43:24]

ajh_:

OK, thanks I'll look into that.

[17:44:04]

gbee:

newman_t: if you figure it out, then it would be a good idea to explain the problem/solution in the wiki for future users

[17:44:18]

newman_t:

Will do. Thanks!

[17:47:10]

sphery:

newman_t: nvm about the /dev/input. You don't have ir_kbd_i2c installed, so it doesn't seem to be set up that way.

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sulan:

hmm, darn it! I was looking forward to buy a Mac Mini w/ C2D + Leopard in October, but now rumors indicate that there will be no more Mac Minis. :<

[17:52:31]

sulan:

Any ideas of hardware to replace it, considering it will be a MythTV Frontend with DVD-playing capabilities?

[17:53:03]

Hugolp:

sulan: lots of options

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directhex:

sulan, mac rumors are often wrong

[17:53:45]

sulan:

directhex: yes, but they seem to have a point – it _should_ have been equipped with C2D (Merom) by now

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hume:

which is a symlink to another drive than the rest of the /var/lib/mythtv

[17:55:25]

Hugolp:

hume create that file

[17:55:37]

hume:

Hugolp, just create an empty file?

[17:55:40]

Hugolp:

yes

[17:55:48]

Hugolp:

it probably work

[17:55:53]

Hugolp:

it worked for me

[17:56:16]

Kevorkian:

touch /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1006_20070526194913.mpg

[17:56:16]

kabtoffe:

I've done that as well. Once.

[17:57:11]

sulan:

directhex: I took the AOpen MiniPC with 945 chipset and put a 2ghz c2d 4mb cache, 1g ram and a 60gb harddrive in it. It was about the same price as the more expensive of the mac mini models available today

[17:57:38]

** gbee wonders why the backend might be trying to access a recording on startup **

[17:58:10]

Kevorkian:

Yea sulan .. but it wont run OSX

[17:58:13]

directhex:

sulan, i get a hefty discount on apple kit, but not aopen kit

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directhex:

Kevorkian, good! osx is like walking through syrup

[17:58:36]

Kevorkian:

explain .

[17:58:42]

sulan:

Kevorkian: yes, that's the worst part

[17:58:43]

Kevorkian:

and also share whatever it is your smoking

[17:58:53]

hume:

great....thx...:) had to set owner and permissions to, now it runs...phew...:)

[17:58:59]

hume:

saturday night saved.....:)

[17:59:35]

directhex:

Kevorkian, the entire osx user experience is slow and unproductive, for people with limited minds and limited capacity for technology

[18:00:32]

sulan:

what about running mythtv frontend on the AppleTV?

[18:00:34]

Kevorkian:

no .. its for people that just want to use a tool .. and not care how said tool does things. As long as it works.

[18:01:10]

Kevorkian:

Like when you use a wrench .. you really dont need to know how it was forged .. or what kind os steel its made out of.

[18:01:20]

Aquahallic:

afternoon folks..

[18:01:33]

Kevorkian:

the wrench turns bolts. Thats all you need to know.

[18:02:22]

directhex:

Kevorkian, until it fails to work with a particular nut, where the osx bunch go "oh well, i'm sure that nut sucked"

[18:02:56]

Kevorkian:

But thats not even the point .. my point was that the mini and that aopen thing are similar .. the one difference is that the mini will run osx ..

[18:03:18]

Dibblah:

Kevorkian: Does it have any plus points, then?

[18:03:19]

Kevorkian:

both will run windows .. both will run linux .. only the mini will run osc.

[18:03:44]

Kevorkian:

style .. built in blue tooth .. wireless .. gige .. quite ..

[18:03:47]

gbee:

doesn't that make OSX the poor relation to linux and Windows?

[18:04:08]

Kevorkian:

its simply another option.

[18:04:15]

directhex:

Kevorkian, legally, anyway. and you still need to determine whether it's a good thing. "only $foo can run windows me" isn't a good point

[18:04:43]

sulan:

would anyone recommend running mythtv on the appletv?

[18:05:00]

gbee:

I mean if they didn't have to buy an overpriced machine to go get OSX, maybe people would be running it instead of windows?

[18:05:10]

Kevorkian:

overpriced ??

[18:05:15]

directhex:

sulan, no optical drive. you wanted optics

[18:05:20]

gbee:

Kevorkian: yeah, overpriced

[18:05:26]

directhex:

gbee, they're not overpriced. they're reasonable value a lot of the time

[18:05:44]

directhex:

certainly with educational discount ;)

[18:05:55]

Kevorkian:

go spec out any mac .. to the same hardware.. its very comparable ..

[18:06:05]

gbee:

and don't try and tell me that macs aren't more expensive than equivalent PCs – it's certainly not the case here in the UK

[18:06:11]

Aquahallic:

any fix or workaround for this?

[18:06:24]

Kevorkian:

gbee, whens the last time you REALLY looked ?

[18:06:51]

Kevorkian:

as of the intel switch .. mac hardware is very very reasonable.

[18:06:56]

gbee:

Kevorkian: fair point – if it's truely changed, then I stand corrected

[18:07:44]

** Kevorkian shrugs .. **

[18:07:51]

Kevorkian:

my point was simply more choices

[18:07:54]

sulan:

directhex: i guess you have a point there.

[18:08:22]

gbee:

although I would still argue that I'd rather pick my own hardware and software as seperate items – so regardless of price I'd still probably not buy a mac

[18:08:36]

Kevorkian:

also .. the mini is a sweet looking machine.

[18:08:39]

directhex:

gbee, when i was speccing my last office pc, apple had a medium price compared to others, but with a better cpu, graphics, and much larger screen

[18:08:45]

gbee:

I *might* consider buying OSX if it were sold standalone

[18:09:04]

directhex:

sod osx, it's a decent value linux workstation

[18:09:11]

Kevorkian:

well .. gbee .. thats probly never gona happen ..

[18:09:13]

directhex:

osx is great, but some of us have actual work to do

[18:09:39]

Kevorkian:

apple is all about handling the user experence .. and the only way they can REALLY do that .. is control the hardware and the OS.

[18:09:57]

sulan:

naah, it'll probably be an AOpen MiniPC if the Mac Mini really would be discontinued

[18:10:17]

directhex:

sulan, i've seen so many crap apple rumours, i'd wait & see

[18:10:20]

Kevorkian:

discontiuned ?

[18:10:36]

directhex:

sulan, and the mac mini works fine with core2 anyway. it's just a way of differentiating the product line

[18:10:38]

Kevorkian:

even if it is .. the one thing about apple is you can ALWAYS get parts

[18:11:37]

ajh_:

anyone working on porting the decode stuff to Cell?

[18:12:56]

sulan:

directhex: yeah, but it feels awkward buying a Mac Mini to rip out it's processor the first thing you do. And what will you do with that Core Duo proc you have left over? :)

[18:13:33]

a5benwillis:

Guys, how do I change the filter when viewing recordings?

[18:13:45]

** Kevorkian points at ebay **

[18:14:52]

a5benwillis:

right now I see all the livetv recordings

[18:15:08]

gbee:

m

[18:15:47]

directhex:

sulan, throw it at homeless people!

[18:16:02]

kormoc:

throw it to me

[18:16:26]

directhex:

ajh_, cell's just PPC. tried just compiling it?

[18:16:59]

sulan:

and it doesn't even have pins so that you can use it to lengthen too short table legs

[18:17:22]

Kevorkian:

yea you can .. it does have height ..

[18:17:33]

sulan:

Cyrix did.

[18:17:33]

Kevorkian:

about two backbooks worth

[18:17:42]

Kevorkian:

matchbooks even

[18:22:20]

ajh_:

direct, Cell is not just ppc.

[18:22:27]

ajh_:

It has a ppc on the die.

[18:23:05]

** Kevorkian looks at his phone. thats a cell. a cell phone :-D **

[18:23:22]

Kevorkian:

oh ... come on .. it was funny

[18:23:27]

Kevorkian:

really .. it was.

[18:23:30]

gardengnome:

no.

[18:23:31]

sulan:

...

[18:23:38]

gardengnome:

sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

[18:23:51]

directhex:

cut down, multi-core. great for a very limited number of cases

[18:24:21]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: Your look into the caching inspired me. I've always wanted to speed up the mythvideo video gallery image loading and such so I wrote a cache for it. Right now we keep an inmemory cache, but have to rescale the images each time we load mythvideo. Now it stores and loads the scaled copies

[18:24:32]

GreyFoxx:

pretty huge speed up when moving through lots of videos with cover mages

[18:24:56]

gbee:

cool

[18:25:17]

Kevorkian:

does that negate the memory usage work that was being done ?

[18:25:22]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[18:25:24]

GreyFoxx:

not at all

[18:25:52]

GreyFoxx:

rather than loading Big image A into ram then scaling, we load small image a and skip scaling

[18:26:18]

GreyFoxx:

doesn't effect how much ram is used, just how fast we load the images

[18:26:46]

GreyFoxx:

and since I have hundreds of videos with covers scrolling could be a pain, now it's lightning fast

[18:27:33]

Kevorkian:

im just confused with the way you worded it.

[18:27:54]

Kevorkian:

not really wrote a cache .. just changed the way the curent cache works ??

[18:28:05]

GreyFoxx:

Mythvideo has it's own internal memory image cache for caching scalled covers in ram, this is completely seperate from the theme image scaling

[18:28:36]

GreyFoxx:

no caching was done in mythvideo of those scaled images, so each time it loaded an image into the ram cache it had to scale it again

[18:28:44]

ajh_:

why not just mmap it and let the kernel do the cache?

[18:28:47]

GreyFoxx:

so I wrote in code to cache the scaled images to disk

[18:28:50]

Kevorkian:

so you load the image .. scale it .. then save it back to disk.. then pull the thumb when needed.

[18:28:56]

GreyFoxx:

right

[18:29:07]

Kevorkian:

this is done , when ?

[18:29:09]

GreyFoxx:

so now it can load the prescaled version instead of spending time scaling it

[18:29:16]

ajh_:

ah, disc cache :)

[18:29:24]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, on first load of the image

[18:29:43]

GreyFoxx:

Kevorkian: When you load mythvideo and pull up the Gallery or scroll through the video list. Assuming you have metadata/video covers for your videos

[18:30:17]

Kevorkian:

and of course it looks to see which ones are allready done .. right.

[18:30:23]

Kevorkian:

cool

[18:30:32]

Kevorkian:

Sounds like a nice idea.

[18:30:50]

GreyFoxx:

makes a huge difference in video list and especially the gallery for me

[18:31:12]

Kevorkian:

Might also be an option to spawn a low priority thread to constantly check for new/changed images and do it in the background.

[18:31:34]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, it's not *that* much overhead

[18:31:46]

Kevorkian:

but sounds like the at load time thing might be cool also.

[18:31:58]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, it would be more useful to pre-cache on change via the frontend

[18:32:05]

GreyFoxx:

It's more about smoothing the experience than anything, and loading the prescaled mages is extrely quick

[18:32:36]

Kevorkian:

well .. yea .. image work is alwasy slow .. well .. mmx and things helps .. but..

[18:32:49]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, and I could likely impliment a cache on save via mythweb as well

[18:32:56]

GreyFoxx:

Right now the main thing I need to think about is cleanup if the user changes resolutions/themes

[18:33:24]

GreyFoxx:

kormoc: That would be cool

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Kevorkian:

well .. thats one thing you could do if it was a backgrond thread .. do all the difrent scales you may need ..

[18:33:57]

GreyFoxx:

I started to look at the CC font loading at video playback last night, but my eyes went buggy telling me it was bedtime :)

[18:33:58]

kormoc:

Kevorkian, you don't know the scales you might need

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kormoc:

Kevorkian, if I change my res to 640x480 it'll be different then 644x488

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Kevorkian:

thumbnail size isnt set per rez ?

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kormoc:

and depending on the theme, it'll be different in the same res pool

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kormoc:

nope

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Kevorkian:

ok .. then yea you wouldnt know

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GreyFoxx:

right now you have at least 3 sizes. The Video Browser size, video list, and video gallery

[18:35:23]

GreyFoxx:

and each is dependant on X resolution and theme

[18:35:26]

chuk:

why do the bottoms of all my covers get trunc'd?

[18:35:51]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, how do you handle weird aspect ratios currently?

[18:35:52]

Kevorkian:

so when you change theams do you save it with theam name ??

[18:35:53]

GreyFoxx:

Can't say I've ever seen that problem

[18:36:10]

Kevorkian:

or will it need to redo them on the first load of a new theam .. no matter what

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: I don't. I leave that to the existing QPixmap/QImage code. I'm just storing the results to disk and forcing that to be loaded next tme

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** kormoc nods **

[18:37:28]

Kevorkian:

do theams have a accessable version number ?

[18:37:41]

GreyFoxx:

Kevorkian:I don;t think so

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GreyFoxx:

Except for a comment the creator might put in it

[18:38:01]

Kevorkian:

so if you saved my theam name .. you wouldnt be able to tell if its changed

[18:38:08]

Kevorkian:

unless theam name changes

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GreyFoxx:

The performance hit isn't enough to get that complicated really

[18:38:45]

Kevorkian:

yea .. just thinking ..

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GreyFoxx:

But it's noticable when fast scrolling through the list/gallery

[18:39:01]

Kevorkian:

my mind tends to follow a logic thru in many difrent branches

[18:39:33]

Kevorkian:

just thinking of difrent ways to expand on what youve done.

[18:39:40]

Kevorkian:

and if it would be worth it.

[18:39:48]

GreyFoxx:

a cleans up the verbose logging

[18:39:53]

** GreyFoxx a cleans up the verbose logging **

[18:40:29]

Kevorkian:

HOW verbose ?? perhaps just hide it

[18:40:55]

Kevorkian:

give it a nice log level.

[18:40:55]

ajh_:

Oh, mythfrontend running on osx... I get two displays....

[18:41:01]

ajh_:

one decorated and one not.

[18:41:01]

GreyFoxx:

No, just making the mewssages meaningful to people other than me :)

[18:41:10]

ajh_:

I assume this is an X issue.

[18:41:11]

Kevorkian:

which build you using ?

[18:41:22]

Kevorkian:

in X ?? not coca ?

[18:41:31]

ajh_:

Oh, it might be.

[18:41:40]

Kevorkian:

there was a nice native osx build somplace ..

[18:41:53]

ajh_:

yeah, sorry it's not X.

[18:42:06]

ajh_:

which makes me even more confused as to how to go about fixing it.

[18:42:13]

Kevorkian:

http://collectivity.goof.com/articles/2006/10 . . . x-universal/ this guy makes em nice and clean.

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ajh_:

Yeah, that's the one I got.

[18:42:43]

Kevorkian:

and you brokered it ??

[18:42:55]

ajh_:

no, it just come sup with 2 displays

[18:43:09]

Kevorkian:

might be a codec thing ..

[18:43:21]

Kevorkian:

that sounds like something that happnes to me with vlc

[18:43:31]

Kevorkian:

mostly with mwv shti ..if I remember

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ajh_:

unless I hit the guide, then it crashes.

[18:43:58]

Kevorkian:

are they the same speed ??

[18:44:08]

Kevorkian:

or does one look slower .. then the other ?

[18:44:46]

ajh_:

no, they're the same just different sizes and the smaller one is undecorated.

[18:44:50]

ajh_:

it's movable though.

[18:45:09]

Kevorkian:

Still sounds like the same thing that happnes to me with vlc ..

[18:45:45]

Kevorkian:

can you try somethign for me .. just to see if its a codec thing .. move the file local and see if the same things happnes

[18:45:53]

Kevorkian:

playing with something else ..

[18:46:00]

Kevorkian:

like vnc :-D

[18:46:22]

ajh_:

I'll try that when I get a chance. Strange hitting the guide again killed the backend.

[18:46:27]

ajh_:

and frontend.

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Kevorkian:

yea .. when I looked at it with the vlc issue .. it looked like the second window didnt tare down proper when it closed.

[18:47:48]

Kevorkian:

front end might get confused on reciving two .. ive closed type messages from aqua

[18:51:55]

ajh_:

Yeah, if I view tv, exit, and try to view again it dies... and kills the back-end too.

[18:53:31]

ajh_:

Pretty frustrating, means my thinkpad is my only working test front-end.

[18:53:34]

Kevorkian:

killing the back end is bad

[18:53:59]

Kevorkian:

thats an error condition that should be trapable and handled proper :-D

[18:54:15]

ajh_:

yeah, I'll trace it later and send a bug report.

[18:54:22]

Kevorkian:

I would try and get a trace of the back as it dies so as to sub a big report

[18:54:24]

Kevorkian:

heheh

[18:54:50]

Kevorkian:

I was typing "bug report" as your line came over

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janneg:

puh, ffmpeg sync finally builds

[18:56:12]

Kevorkian:

Congrats

[18:56:16]

janneg:

so much to half an hour

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Kevorkian:

and now we do the dance of joy

[18:56:41]

Kevorkian:

so will it listen to the sound sync controls now ?

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Xanium:

hi all

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm, I didn't take folder coverfiles into account. *changes again*

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Dibblah:

janneg: Nicely done. Now for shipping it!

[19:20:43]

Dibblah:

What, you mean it needs runtime tested first?

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janneg:

it has merge issues but I will first try multithreaded decoding

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tzanger:

question. I can run a DB query to ask for all the movies that are playing and mysql returns (for example) "Caddyshack" — however I go into mythweb and it's not there

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tzanger:

why is that? My DB query only looks for starttime > curtime() and I have no oddball EPG data that I'm aware of

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harvest316:

I wonder if anyone could help me with a frontend that restarts X upon playback?

[19:27:23]

tzanger:

the EPG is coming from the stream itself (no third party)

[19:30:54]

tzanger:

aha

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tzanger:

select foo where starttime > curtime() isn't working how I expect it to

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tzanger:

curdate... duh me

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ajh_:

CeleronD 2.66Ghz enough processor to deinterlace, scale, and play 1080p? Using an NVIdia card?

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ajh_:

Still don't have a good way to get audio out short of buying a high end card with a real connector on it.

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ajh_:

Unless there's a supported HDMI card out there.

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kormoc:

ajh_, my Celeron-D 2.13 ghz + 6200 plays 720p just fine, and is just a tad skippy with 1080i

[19:50:48]

kormoc:

ajh_, and is hopeless with any h264

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ajh_:

using XvMC?

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juski:

oh wait it's a 2-parter, so that'll end up being 90 mins I'll never get back

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kormoc:

With and without, aye

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ajh_:

hrm.

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ajh_:

so core-duo it is.

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gardengnome:

juski: what are you watching?

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juski:

gardengnome: Dr Poo

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juski:

ajh_: with a jumper cable from your soundcard

[19:52:17]

ajh_:

Is it from the sp/dif?

[19:52:21]

juski:

yup

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ajh_:

hrm, ok that would work.

[19:52:52]

ajh_:

stupid me buying 7600gt's a few months ago assuming i'd never need tv out.

[19:53:06]

juski:

for the moment you may aswell just buy a card with DVI out

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ajh_:

I'm hooking this up to a 50" Dell Plasma with hdmi in.

[19:53:25]

juski:

really isn't worth paying the premium for HDMI

[19:53:45]

juski:

you heard of DVI-HDMI cables?

[19:53:53]

ajh_:

If I had an external receiver for audio I'd do that.

[19:54:05]

juski:

skip the TV's internal speakers cos they'll be nasty

[19:54:10]

ajh_:

Looking at a really nice one from Bryston, but the setup's about $9K.

[19:54:26]

ajh_:

They're fine for now. :)

[19:54:35]

ajh_:

My good audio is downstairs in the offic.

[19:54:40]

juski:

$9000 for an audio setup? eew. emperor's new clothes!

[19:55:18]

ajh_:

That's the 7.1 decoder/preamp and the 875, a multichannel discrete a/b amp for 6 channels.

[19:55:18]

juski:

when you spend that much, you have to stop things like dust mites stamping their feet incase it spoils the dynamic range

[19:55:36]

ajh_:

Speakers are extra. :)

[19:55:44]

juski:

and the guilt you feel from having spent so much money is what makes it sound so much better

[19:55:49]

ajh_:

That room just isn't setup for it though.

[19:56:19]

ajh_:

I care a lot more about sound on my stereo, so that got done first.

[19:56:26]

juski:

one thing I always say about 'high fi'.. fools & money.. easily parted

[19:56:38]

ajh_:

That's true to a point.

[19:58:05]

juski:

I'll keep my mouth shut then

[19:58:33]

juski:

no gold-plated screened mains cables then?

[19:58:39]

ajh_:

Hah, no.

[19:59:29]

juski:

that'd be what I would call going overboard & taking the ship down with you

[19:59:46]

ajh_:

Well, I am pulling a 20Mbit link in here next month.

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ajh_:

It's all about context. :)

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gardengnome:

remember, kids: the fast you download, the bigger your penis is

[20:00:52]

ajh_:

but yeah, using a dvi->hdmi converter is the way to go for now.

[20:01:18]

ajh_:

garden, it's not about the download, I needed 3Mbit upload, so the download was basically free on ADSL2+

[20:01:29]

ajh_:

I send a lot more than I receive.

[20:01:57]

gardengnome:

ah

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gardengnome:

i thought you were downloading lots of 64kbit/s WMA files for your audio setup ;)

[20:02:15]

ajh_:

Whole setup is going to save me about $100 a month on coloc fees :)

[20:02:16]

juski:

"The dual toroidal power supplies provide improved high frequency response.".. never read so much bollocks

[20:02:27]

janneg:

that's just silly. I have more dropped frames with multithreaded h264 decoding than without

[20:02:46]

ajh_:

garden, nope all my music is from cd originals :)

[20:02:54]

janneg:

but each core is ~50% idle

[20:03:16]

gardengnome:

janneg: it makes sense. framedropping is multithreaded now

[20:03:23]

juski:

I find it amazing how there are so many electronic engineer hifi buffs. they fall for the BS like everybody else :-(

[20:03:44]

kormoc:

ajh_, Mmm... Fios... 35 mbit down 5 mbit up...

[20:03:44]

juski:

gardengnome: that's a good point

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ajh_:

juski, you can't trust anything people write, only your ears.

[20:03:54]

janneg:

and the decoding threads are distributed nicely to the cpus

[20:04:00]

janneg:

each core got one

[20:04:03]

juski:

maybe the threads are getting tangles. you need some sort of loom

[20:04:19]

kormoc:

juski, there's a virtual cat having fun

[20:04:27]

harvest316:

I wonder if anyone could help me with a frontend that restarts X upon playback?

[20:04:41]

juski:

harvest316: yes. disable compiz or beryl

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ajh_:

Anything to watch for when buying a front-end motherboard?

[20:04:50]

juski:

job done!

[20:04:53]

harvest316:

good call. will do!

[20:06:45]

Hugolp:

juski: I am with you in that one

[20:07:05]

Hugolp:

it seems that now that beryl and compiz teamed again, the final version will come

[20:08:02]

juski:

oo apparently Freema Anygerman has been booted from Dr. Who.. unofficially. result :)

[20:09:35]

harvest316:

yeah, bring on a stable berylized compiz!

[20:09:57]

harvest316:

(its what made me switch from XP)

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juski:

kidding?!

[20:10:27]

juski:

somebody fell for it then..

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jduggan_:

ll

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harvest316:

'struth!

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** juski recites.. all that glisters is not gold **

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Seriously ?

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jduggan_:

i hear that the projects may be joining back together again

[20:11:34]

Hugolp:

jduggan allredy happen

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Hugolp:

XD

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juski:

GreyFoxx: according to a tabloid, from 'a source'. Prolly not true, but they were right about Ecclestone leaving

[20:11:42]

gardengnome:

beryl crashed my box. never tried it again.

[20:11:51]

ajh_:

Ugh, puting the fans in the Fusion on the side means having to cut holes in the cabinet it's in.

[20:11:53]

Hugolp:

juski: lots of people is falling for beryl, what world do you live in?

[20:12:16]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Doh

[20:12:21]

Hugolp:

flashy things sell, thats how it is

[20:12:28]

juski:

ah so beryl/compiz is a fork of the other. nice. Take one talented team of devs & split them up.. smart move

[20:12:45]

juski:

damn egos ;)

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jduggan_:

juski: the devs split because some didnt like the way compiz was going, so they forked and started beryl.. which kinda dominated... now they plan to re-merge

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ajh_:

Ever tried working with gui people? :)

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juski:

that said if somebody came along & asked me to merge oh I dunno my new Projectgrayhem with G.A.N.T. I'd tell them where to get orf

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harvest316:

I'm a .NET dev – if it werent for MS I'd be skint. But home PCs moved to Linux a few months back when I saw beryl demos on youtube.

[20:13:39]

harvest316:

that and mythtv.

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harvest316:

pity they dont compat.

[20:13:59]

juski:

switching desktop because of a few lame desktop effects? oh well

[20:13:59]

jduggan_:

shame on you

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harvest316:

heh. :)

[20:14:40]

juski:

btw.. hiya.. I'm #mythtv-user's resident cynic. Well, *one* of them

[20:14:54]

harvest316:

I still cant keep my hands off these wobbly windows. :)

[20:15:20]

harvest316:

cool. hi juski.

[20:16:34]

juski:

I work with a guy who designs test apps in .net – in horrible black & red user interface designs. they look awful

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harvest316:

ugh.

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juski:

could be worse. they might've been done in Java

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harvest316:

a good dev is one that knows they need a ui designer

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juski:

s/sending/spending

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harvest316:

awesome.

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harvest316:

ok gotta run away to test this compiz conflict with a restart... ciao!

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juski:

ciao for now

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juski:

bromley eh

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ajh_:

is anyone playing 1080p?

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ajh_:

Trying to pick a processor but not knowing how much it'll take is a bit of a limitation.

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zambaroo:

hi all

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zambaroo:

so i installed on a faster machine

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zambaroo:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, Mem: 2076144

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zambaroo:

one issue im experiencing though – the sound quality in recordings and livetv is crap, crap, crap

[20:45:30]

zambaroo:

sounds like it's playing in a bathroom

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sulan:

zambaroo: picking up the audio with a built-in mic somewhere?

[20:46:42]

zambaroo:

sulan, hm.. mute the mic, you think?

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zambaroo:

muted

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zambaroo:

turned down the linein all the way, too [using cd to capture]

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smccullough:

Hi. Can anyone help me with a problem i'm having?

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smccullough:

I changed the resolution to something my monitor can't support, and i can't seem to find a way to change it back. do you happen to know how i can manually reset the resolution?

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gardengnome:

smccullough: yes. edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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smccullough:

The resolution works fine in X alone. it's only messed up when i run myththv.

[20:50:35]

smccullough:

I set the tuner and the GUI to two different resolutions, and after that it stopped working

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t12:

Does anyone here use MythTV with Insight digital cable?

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smccullough:

gardengnome: is there a setting in any of the mythtv config files that sets the resolution? or is there a way i can set everything back to default?

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Quintin:

Or comcast cable or such? How do you change channels when the video source is a cable box?

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gardengnome:

smccullough: how is it messed up in X alone?

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gardengnome:

smccullough: err, in mythtv.

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gardengnome:

ah

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smccullough:

Whenever i run mythtv it changes the resolution, and i think it's trying to do something interlaced or something. i see parts of the GUI but it's all garbled

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gardengnome:

smccullough: mythfrontend --reset?

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Xanium:

juski: compiz and beryl should be merging back together again. Progress is slow, and they'll prob. end up forking again, but hopefully something good should come from it all

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Hugolp:

Xanium: why are you saying thell fork again?

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Quintin:

How do you change channels in myth tv when the video is coming from a digital cable box?? how does that work exactly?

[20:55:49]

Anduin:

Quintin: IR "blaster"

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Anduin:

or serial cable if you are lucky

[20:56:28]

Quintin:

So... would I be using the browser etc from my cable company instead of the myth tv stuff?

[20:56:42]

Quintin:

or do any tv cards have tuners that can work? that's the only thing I"m confused about right now

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AndyCap:

Quintin: depends on your cable company really. :)

[20:57:14]

Quintin:

dammit

[20:57:27]

Quintin:

Anduin, AndyCap: what kind of video source do you have?

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AndyCap:

Quintin: cable analog (no box) and dvb-s satellite

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zambaroo:

dammitdammitdammit. could it be that the soundcard is crap [onboard] and thats why the sound quality is junky? but even during livetv.. iunno..

[20:58:07]

Anduin:

Quintin: cable no box, and cable box, controlled over serial for channel changes.

[20:58:39]

Quintin:

Anduin, So, your cable box has a serial port, and when you move channels in mythtv it makes the cable box move?

[20:58:52]

Quintin:

AndyCap, forgive my ignorance, but what is dvb-s?

[20:58:54]

Anduin:

zambaroo: depending on what junky is, enabling extra audio buffering may help (a setting in one of the setting screens)

[20:59:18]

Anduin:

Quintin: correct, if it didn't have a serial port I'd be using an IR blaster to do the same

[20:59:26]

zambaroo:

Anduin, junky as in it sounds like it's at a very low bitrate.

[20:59:27]

AndyCap:

Quintin: in theory, if it's standard DVB-C digital cable and some standard conditional access system. you could buy a DVB-C card with CI slot, cam for the conditional access system and use the smartcard from the cable provider.

[20:59:33]

Quintin:

Anduin, ok, that makes sense. What is an IR blaster?

[21:00:01]

AndyCap:

Quintin: but I'm guessing that's not the case with insight. ir transmitter controlled by the pc..

[21:00:05]

smccullough:

reset worked, thanks

[21:00:07]

Quintin:

I'm building a home theater system for a client. I'm not sure if I want to setup myth tv, or just tell them to use playstation to playback dvds and cds

[21:00:36]

AndyCap:

Quintin: what about recording, mp3, other media?

[21:00:37]

justin_:

anyone going to watch the INDY500 tomorrow and support the TUX500 77 Indy Car?

[21:00:42]

Anduin:

MythTV would be a good way to make them come back to get various little things fixed.

[21:00:54]

AndyCap:

hehe, job security.. :P

[21:01:06]

gardengnome:

Quintin: if you make money with it, you'd better read some documentation first before you let others do your work...

[21:01:09]

Quintin:

AndyCap, yea, that's why I want to build myth system. it has to be easy for them to use though

[21:01:26]

AndyCap:

Quintin: dvb is a digital broadcast standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB

[21:01:31]

Quintin:

gardengnome, well, this person I don't really charge much. I like his daughter :P

[21:01:34]

AndyCap:

sat, cable, terrestrial..

[21:01:42]

ajh_:

Wonder if the dual itanic will transcode quickly.

[21:01:56]

justin_:

no one is going to watch TUX500 77 car?

[21:02:10]

AndyCap:

ajh_: are any codecs optimized for it?

[21:02:25]

ajh_:

No idea, I'll have to plug it in and give it a try.

[21:02:31]

ajh_:

10G of ram can't hurt.

[21:03:03]

AndyCap:

ajh_: what do you use for transcoding?

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ajh_:

nothing yet, I'm just learning how everything works.

[21:03:30]

AndyCap:

ah. ok.

[21:03:34]

ajh_:

More or less got it all running in a week of forced free time.

[21:03:48]

AndyCap:

heh. anyone built myth with the intel compiler?

[21:03:50]

zambaroo:

so what controls the sound quality?

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Xanium:

Hugolp: Quinstorm sed that

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Xanium:

that they'll fork if things don't work out

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Quintin:

the box I'm planning on using is a SFF piii, 384m ram, 80g hdd ... it's got 3 pci slots. sound ok?

[21:05:25]

AndyCap:

Quintin: frontend and backend on the same box?

[21:05:32]

Quintin:

AndyCap, yea

[21:06:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: How fast is the cpu?

[21:06:24]

AndyCap:

sounds a little tame. but I dunno. will depend on the capturecard you'll be using as well

[21:06:25]

Quintin:

It's 1100mhz coppermine celeron or 1000mhz coppermine piii

[21:06:30]

Tanthrix:

Why do both of the three way coax splitters I have in my procession have one jack at -3.5db and the other two at -7.5db – is that standard?

[21:06:40]

Quintin:

planning on, ehm.. the 150. or 350. or something like that

[21:07:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: It will work fine for Standard Definition.. Ram would be a bit tight though.

[21:07:11]

Anduin:

Quintin: The 350 would be a mistake

[21:07:21]

Quintin:

Anduin, oh? Ok. what should I use then?

[21:07:35]

Anduin:

Quintin: 150 or 500 (500 is just two 150s)

[21:07:50]

Quintin:

This is going to a bigscreen mitsubishi that has a vga connection on the back... could I use a regular video card and connect to the vga on the tv?

[21:08:09]

Quintin:

Anduin, ok, thanks. There were like 5 diff 150s on newegg. I'll get the one with the most ports I guess

[21:08:28]

Anduin:

Quintin: or maybe the one with the IR blaster

[21:08:29]

AndyCap:

Quintin: I'd test it first, see how the tv works with different resolutions etc.

[21:09:02]

Quintin:

3 full height pci slots

[21:09:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: I'd also recommend putting an NVidia video card in there...

[21:09:16]

AndyCap:

iirc the 150 isn't smaller unless you get the low profile one

[21:09:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: Yeah, full height, but how deep into the case?

[21:09:30]

Quintin:

I dunno :p

[21:09:35]

AndyCap:

Quintin: barely full height or ample room?

[21:09:44]

Quintin:

J-e-f-f-A, know an adequate pci nvidia card?

[21:09:45]

zambaroo:

aw man! it's using the oss stuff! is it normal?

[21:10:01]

Anduin:

zambaroo: it is the default

[21:10:06]

Quintin:

I had 3 cards in it before and they all fit fine. matrox g450 video, some tv tuner, and some sound board

[21:10:08]

AndyCap:

Quintin: for instance the Asus Pundit-R has full-height slots, but a lot of tvcards are a tight fit

[21:10:16]

zambaroo:

Anduin, can i make it use alsa?

[21:10:26]

Anduin:

zambaroo: Yes

[21:10:42]

zambaroo:

Anduin, frontend config?

[21:10:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: Any of them imho... as long as it's a GeForce4 or better... Then you can use XVMC so your cpu doesn't have to do so much work.

[21:11:13]

Anduin:

zambaroo: Just change the output device, there is info on the wiki or the docs (though ALSA:default may work for you)

[21:11:46]

Quintin:

J-e-f-f-A, don't all cards support xvmc? is this same as using "xv" video output in mplayer?

[21:12:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: No, that's just XV. XVMC adds hardware Motion Compensation — helps with the decoding of the mpeg videol

[21:12:18]

zambaroo:

Anduin, it has alsa:default now

[21:12:20]

Anduin:

Quintin: not the same, and no they don't

[21:12:32]

Quintin:

ah, ok, I see

[21:12:38]

Quintin:

I will shop for a gf4 pci card then I guess

[21:13:15]

Quintin:

does myth tv download metadata for channel browser that's appropriate to your cable provider?

[21:13:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: Well, just look for a new(er) PCI nvidia card. GF4 is the lowest I'd go to...

[21:14:16]

Quintin:

hmm, still sort of confused about what to do

[21:14:28]

Anduin:

zambaroo: I don't want to look at the code right now, but pretend that case makes a difference and chek

[21:14:30]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: BTW: that SFF machine is gonna be pretty noisey...

[21:15:23]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: You're on the right track... Hardware capture card (Hauppauge PVR), Hardware-assisted decoding (NVidia GeForce card)...

[21:15:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

(for the machine you're going to be using it with)

[21:15:57]

AndyCap:

if they're not going to do any transcoding/archiving you should be ok

[21:16:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: And yes, assuming your TV accepts VGA input, direct vga from your myth box to your tv will work well. (All of my 'tvs' are actually computer monitors...)

[21:16:44]

Quintin:

it's labelled "vga 640x480"

[21:16:49]

Quintin:

the tv does 1080p though

[21:17:02]

Quintin:

I dunno :P most of this is not my area of expertise.

[21:17:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: Here's pics of the different Hauppauge PVR cards... http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/hardware.asp

[21:17:37]

Quintin:

J-e-f-f-A, noise is ok. the sound system can block it all. so, need to buy 2 cards then try to put it all together I guess.

[21:17:41]

AndyCap:

what's the screen resolution, and are there any other connectors. You'd need to try it out with some fullscreen video etc and see.

[21:17:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

See how the 150 and 250 are fairly 'normal' sized cards, and the 500 is 1 to 2" longer?

[21:18:19]

AndyCap:

Quintin: the noise when it's idle is annoying, and waiting for the system to boot when the game starts in 10 seconds is seldom acceptable

[21:18:27]

zambaroo:

ok, if i set it to dsp the sound is awesome, if i set it to alsa:default – the sound it crap.

[21:18:31]

zambaroo:

what does this mean

[21:18:33]

Quintin:

AndyCap, it will run 24/7 probably

[21:18:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: Well, you can try it with the built-in video first, and if it isn't 'smooth' enough, then buy an nvidia card.

[21:18:53]

AndyCap:

thus noise when it's idle may be a problem

[21:19:14]

Quintin:

J-e-f-f-A, ok. the built-in video is i810 or so

[21:19:30]

AndyCap:

Quintin: you tell myth about all the channels. when you switch myth tells the box, go to channel 5, go to channel 8 etc.

[21:19:37]

Quintin:

There is currently a server connected to the stereo playing music from mpd 24/7

[21:19:59]

AndyCap:

Quintin: with something like this: http://irblaster.info/

[21:20:09]

Quintin:

AndyCap, Ok. Then I just have to connect myth to the box with ir blaster or rs 232?

[21:20:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: If you've got analog cable, then you may not need the cable box at all – depending on how much is non-encrypted. If you do need the box, then Myth will control the channel changing, and you'll pipe the video/audio into your tv tuner card.

[21:20:11]

Anduin:

zambaroo: what about ALSA:default?

[21:20:30]

Quintin:

J-e-f-f-A, it's digital cable, pretty sure

[21:20:30]

zambaroo:

Anduin, if i set it to that, the sound quality drops 50%

[21:20:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

zambaroo: Sound quality or *volume*?

[21:20:55]

Anduin:

zambaroo: you keep typing "alsa:default" are you using that or "ALSA:default"?

[21:20:58]

zambaroo:

quality

[21:21:03]

zambaroo:

Anduin, the latter

[21:21:08]

Quintin:

...right?! ^^

[21:21:24]

zambaroo:

id set it to dsp, but then i dont know how to control the whole muting thing :/

[21:21:30]

Anduin:

zambaroo: as the OSS layer is atop the ALSA layer, well, it doesn't make sense

[21:21:42]

zambaroo:

Anduin, i know!

[21:21:47]

Quintin:

Oh, one more thing. I can use this with a sound board with digital out to get surround sound playback when watching dvds, yea?

[21:22:20]

zambaroo:

Anduin, but this is the case, however. not sure why this happens.

[21:22:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: Well, most 'digital' cable is still mostly analog. Does your cable box have a firewire output?

[21:22:42]

Quintin:

J-e-f-f-A, no it does not

[21:22:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: (Which model is it?)

[21:22:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: Ok, does it have a serial port on it?

[21:22:59]

Quintin:

J-e-f-f-A, motorola something. orange led with time or channel on front

[21:23:07]

Quintin:

J-e-f-f-A, *maybe*. I'm not at their house now, so :(

[21:23:18]

zambaroo:

could it be that the cable connecting the grabber to the cdrom-in thing on the mobo is crap?

[21:23:47]

zambaroo:

should i use the external to external line-on between the cards?

[21:23:52]

Quintin:

well I have to go for now. hopefully I'll have this built on wed or so.

[21:23:54]

zambaroo:

in*

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Quintin:

thanks for th ehelp

[21:24:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: If it's got a serial port, and it's active, then you'd cable that to the pc's serial port and change channels with it (and hide the remote).

[21:24:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: If it doesn't, then you'd have to use an IR blaster to emulate the 'real' remote..

[21:24:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Quintin: Ok.. ttyl...

[21:24:26]

Quintin:

J-e-f-f-A, ok, that makes sense. I'm not confused anymore about that bit

[21:24:28]

AndyCap:

how many providers have a working firewire on their boxes?

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Quintin:

now I just have to build it

[21:24:31]

Quintin:

be back ina few days..

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zambaroo:

this is so bizarre

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harvest316:

I'm back with good news!

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zambaroo:

world peace?

[21:30:41]

gbee:

I've won the lottery?

[21:31:19]

zambaroo:

Anduin, it's not the cables, i changed the capture from cdrom to line-in cable – still crapola sound.

[21:32:28]

harvest316:

juski: yay! mythtv works much better without compiz. THANK YOU!

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gbee:

harvest316: don't thank juski, his head might just explode with the shock!

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harvest316:

I havent had to disable or uninstall it yet, as I found there's an option for MythTV where you can select between gnome & KDE at login. That seems to work reasonably well.

[21:34:40]

zambaroo:

aaaargh! this high piched noise is killing the whole success story thing

[21:34:41]

zambaroo:

dammit

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harvest316:

Lets just say I've nailed my biggest bug: getting mythfrontend to play any kind of video at all.

[21:35:04]

harvest316:

heh

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harvest316:

my next challenge is a little harder to search for, coz I dont yet have the words to describe it.

[21:37:25]

harvest316:

simply put: how do I get mythfrontend to write to a log?

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AndyCap:

harvest316: pipe the output of mythfrontend to a file

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zambaroo:

i thought there was a log already?

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gardengnome:

harvest316: mythfrontend --help

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zambaroo:

in status pane there's a log 5–8 entry?

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AndyCap:

harvest316: I probably haven't been keeping up with the times, but this is what I do.

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AndyCap:

"mythfrontend >> /home/tv/myth-debug.log 2>&1"

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harvest316:

yeah, thats the easy part.

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zambaroo:

whats the hard part?

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harvest316:

but the problem is that since I love compiz too much to uninstall it, I'm running mythfrontend from the login screen.

[21:40:45]

** zambaroo blinks **

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harvest316:

you know where you select kde or gnome?

[21:41:15]

harvest316:

well since I installed mythtv I can also select mythtv instead of gnome.

[21:41:27]

harvest316:

but how to tell that to log? hmm...

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kgbudz:

what does myth use for video playback

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kgbudz:

im gettings some bad audio/video sync issues with mkv playback

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gardengnome:

kgbudz: its own player based on ffmpeg

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Anduin:

kgbudz: it uses Myth

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kgbudz:

how do i fix

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kgbudz:

seems like + and – dont take effect

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Tanthrix:

Man nvidia-settings is spiffy.

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clever:

harvest316: you could metacity --replace&

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clever:

harvest316: that will replace compiz with metacity until you logout

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clever:

converting it back to old gnome until your done using mythfrontend

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kgbudz:

hmm... seems like my cpu is maxing out on mkv playback

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kgbudz:

which is probably why im having sync issues

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zambaroo:

Anduin, hm, here's an interesting discovery, i removed all the cables but i still get the high pitched noise during livetv.

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harvest316:

clever: good call. Taa.

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clever:

i use a similar command to enable compiz temp since my system doesnt allways support it

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clever:

and once i was bored so i started the window manager thru X11 forwarding over the web:P

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harvest316:

cool.

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clever:

that reminds me

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clever:

i could test compiz on another linux box over the lan

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clever:

without installing it there

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clever:

but thats kde's normal wm so i can put it back...:S

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harvest316:

zambaroo: i'm not sure I understood your "in status pane there's a log 5–8 entry?"

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harvest316:

where's the status pane, and whats a 5–8 entry?

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zambaroo:

if you run the fronend, there's a status page

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zambaroo:

harvest316, oh, nm, it's a logviewer

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Anduin:

It views the DB log (if you have it enabled)

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harvest316:

ok. found it. but doesnt look like it'll show me why frontend crashes on watching livetv.

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zambaroo:

man run xterm and tail the log

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harvest316:

Anduin: now that's a helpful tidbit. I was gonna use mysql.

[22:07:21]

harvest316:

nice one.

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zambaroo:

oy.. when i chew on my cereal the screen flickers.. >.<

[22:07:41]

harvest316:

:P me too!!!

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clever:

just found some good stuff for my mythtv boxes

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clever:

pair of agp tvout cards i forgot i owned:P

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clever:

no idea if there ati or nvidia or other

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Tanthrix:

Mysql is so damned infuriating sometimes.

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zambaroo:

well i think i solved the issue with sound here by changing the quality settings in the recording profiles.

[22:17:43]

zambaroo:

wtf.

[22:17:49]

zambaroo:

makes NO sense to me

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Tanthrix:

I don't seem to have a master mixer

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Tanthrix:

Myth complains "Mixer uable to find control master" and there is no master mixer in alsamixer – any thoughts?

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: It unconditionally sets the Master and PCM controls

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Tanthrix:

Come again?

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: It will always attempt to set the Master and PCM controls, even if they don't exist

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Tanthrix:

Oh, gotcha.

[22:42:19]

Tanthrix:

All the same, is it weird not to have a master?

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Anduin:

Not particularly

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Tanthrix:

Then I won't worry about it, thanks

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Anduin:

Some day I'll work on getting my audio controls patch commitable, if only there were fewer audio output methods.

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hads:

Thanks for the commit Anduin

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Anduin:

hads: Yup, sorry for the delay.

[22:47:14]

hads:

No worries at all.

[22:47:37]

Anduin:

hads: Just reopen with new patches, just trying to make my ticket list look smaller

[22:48:09]

hads:

Anduin: Yeah sure. I figured that ticket was getting a bit messy :)

[22:48:27]

Anduin:

hads: Yeah, I'm very close to making you two make a new messy ticket

[22:48:44]

russellb:

I know of a large telecom company that once solved the problem of a large number of tickets open by just closing them all.

[22:49:17]

russellb:

you could try that :)

[22:50:20]

hads:

heh :)

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directhex:

that's how it works in the office

[22:52:39]

directhex:

most of my tickets are spam or idiots though

[22:52:55]

russellb:

heh

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Anduin:

Hard to blame them really

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zambaroo:

i guess im gonna go get that 150..

[23:00:31]

directhex:

now you're asking!

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directhex:

first step is making ffmpeg less stupid, i suppose

[23:01:55]

Anduin:

Without a patch it runs the chance of being closed as a feature request without a patch is all.

[23:02:58]

directhex:

how graceful (or not) a patch can i get away with?

[23:04:03]

Anduin:

I can't say (almost certainly wouldn't be the one applying it, usually ijr or now janneg)

[23:04:24]

Anduin:

but more graceful is always better

[23:04:59]

Servo888:

get terrible performance.

[23:14:27]

directhex:

christ on a bike, looks like the ffmpeg lot are just slackers

[23:15:10]

Tanthrix:

Beautiful, a random lockup.

[23:15:44]

Tanthrix:

I am this close to returning all the parts, losing the 15 percent restocking fee, and pretending this whole damned thing never happened.

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directhex:

Anduin, still got that sample War3.ogm file handy? try "strings War3.ogm | head -8"

[23:20:25]

Anduin:

directhex: so they are not looking for "text"?

[23:20:51]

directhex:

Anduin, yep. i'm looking at oggparseogm.c, and it's an "if{}else{}"

[23:21:06]

directhex:

yet i can't see why it's detected as video not audio on that basis :/

[23:21:27]

directhex:

i mean really, who uses variable names like "p" or "s" in public code?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe 'i' is everywhere :)

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directhex:

blah, there's even a CODEC_TYPE_SUBTITLE defined

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mzb:

Servo888: I'm using a p3–650 overclocked to 800, with g400 graphics, so I guess I'm in a similar situation ... however, I have got reliable playback on SD @ 1024x768 ... mythbox has been playing overnight and sitting on 80% solid ... watchable picture, no artifacts, good sound

[23:25:03]

mzb:

(s/similiar/similar, if not worse;/)

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Tanthrix:

Is disabling ACPI in the BIOS a bad thing to do?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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directhex:

Tanthrix, disables SMP

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Tanthrix:

Meaning I'd only be using one of my cores?

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directhex:

yes. no cpu frequency scaling either

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directhex:

other devices might not be detected, but lack of multicore is the obvious one

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Tanthrix:

Well, that's out the window then

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GreyFoxx:

back when nvidia motherboards and acpi didn't play nice I use to always disable it

[23:27:08]

Tanthrix:

Seems like that's still the case

[23:27:10]

GreyFoxx:

but then, I wasn;t running on anything but single coure machines

[23:27:21]

Tanthrix:

I'm seriously beginning to regret buying this nForce 650i board

[23:28:20]

Tanthrix:

Anduin: By the way, I didn't notice this in my syslog before, but here it is:

[23:28:20]

Tanthrix:

May 26 16:15:26 ragnarok Nvidia board detected. Ignoring ACPI timer override.

[23:28:20]

Tanthrix:

May 26 16:15:26 ragnarok If you got timer trouble try acpi_use_timer_override

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** directhex whistles **

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directhex:

urgh, i *tender loving* hate ffmpeg. it's horrible pointer-filled c.

[23:29:58]

Tanthrix:

When playing 720P files across a samba share with mplayer I get a hard lockup with eth errors: http://novae-res.org/ethprob.txt

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directhex:

Tanthrix, haven't seen that one. nforce ethernet, presumably?

[23:32:38]

Tanthrix:

directhex: Well, I was getting the same symptoms (without any info in the log) with the onboard realtek, then I stuck in a realtek 8139 card that I've used for years in my old myth box

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Tanthrix:

(With which I got the same lockup, this time with that info in the log)

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JoeyJoeJo:

How can I change the font size in the program guide?

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Servo888:

mzb: ok – I've got a low power Athlon xp-m running at 800Mhz – I would clock it up to 1200Mhz but because of lack of docs I have no clue if I'm shorting the right multipliers =- no fun having a desktop motherboard and a mobile processor. Then again I can run the system fanless at 100% :-)

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Servo888:

Do I need anything in my xorg configuration to enable xvmc?

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Servo888:

I deleted my old xorg config from my previous server not thinking twice about it – but now I don't remember if there was anything needed to get xvmc support enabled.

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directhex:

Servo888, /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

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Servo888:

directhex, I don't have that file, I did create one though and only have one line in it that says: libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

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directhex:

Servo888, that should be it

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directhex:

Anduin, who's familiar with the ffmpeg code? i'm finding it a bit opaque to read through

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Servo888:

directhex, ok – now when I startx, should there be any output letting me know xvmc is available?

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Tanthrix:

directhex: Know anything about IOAPIC? My bios has a setting to "Include ACPI APIC table pointer to RSDT pointer list", with the futher option of MPS Table version 1.1 or 1.4

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Tanthrix:

Servo888: I don't think so

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directhex:

Tanthrix, no, i'm largely ignorant of APIC

[23:48:19]

Tanthrix:

As is everyone it seems – I get the feeling that it's a black magic for most

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Anduin:

directhex: irj and janne would probably be most familiar

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Tanthrix:

(Thanks anyway though)

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directhex:

Anduin, right. hopefully they operate on a vaguely GMTish timezone, because i need sleep now

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mzb:

Servo888: # grep XV /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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mzb:

?

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Anduin:

xdypinfo as well (XVideo-MotionCompensation)

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mzb:

but I can't tell you if loading the module means that it's using it ;)

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mzb:

s/xdypinfo/xdpyinfo :)

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Servo888:

mzb: (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation jack pot :-)

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