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Friday, May 18th, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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mike3_:

Hey where can I find out what all the legends for Mythtv mean? For instance "1", "r" "N","A" and such

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Dagmar:

Mainly by looking more closely at the records when you see them

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cal:

when i run mythfilldatabase --import-icon-map iconmap.xml --update-icon-map ' it tries to get the icons from zap2it even though i have them locally.. how do i pull from the local .jpg files?

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vanquish:

ello

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vanquish:

for some reason mythweb has stopped working inexplicably with error 500, log shows invalid command php_value

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xris:

vanquish: you change apache recently?

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vanquish:

anybody else seen this?

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vanquish:

hold on

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vanquish:

xris: no

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vanquish:

xris: i upgraded kernel recently, but thats about it

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xris:

odd. that error is because certain versions of apache don't support that parameter

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xris:

thought I put some documentation in the file about that.

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vanquish:

xris: right i saw that, needed apache2

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vanquish:

i have apache2 but haven't changed the apache install since january

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vanquish:

problem occured in the past week

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vanquish:

php5, also hasn't changed

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vanquish:

nor any of the config files to my knowledge...

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xris:

only other thing I can think of is if something changed in the config (apache or mod_php)

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xris:

you should be safe to comment out most of those php_value things, though.

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xris:

you can set them in php.ini if you really want to make sure they're still set.

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TSCHAK2:

is there a script I can use to get covers for TV series DVDs ?

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vanquish:

xris: hmm i seemed to have fixed the problem by recompiling php

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vanquish:

xris: doesn't explain what caused it, fixes the problem at least ... :-

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vanquish:

xris: anywho, thanks for your help

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xris:

sounds like maybe a config file got bumped/moved.

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vanquish:

xris: must be

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vanquish:

xris: can't explain how though

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kash:

hm

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kash:

mythweb is saying db errors

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someninjamaster:

any pvr-500 users

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someninjamaster:

here

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squish102:

mytharchive keeps looking like it is busy, i have tried to cancel it many times. including shuting down. not sure how to tell it that it is not archiving

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vanquish:

xris: hey, do you know anything about the gentoo ebuilds for mythweb?

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vanquish:

lol

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vanquish:

cardoe is the official gentoo guy

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vanquish:

guess he didn't want to answer questions

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vanquish:

;)

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kash:

vanquish: what about them

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xris:

vanquish: not a clue. I don't touch gentoo.. and not a fan of any sort of packaging for web stuff.

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Tanthrix:

Fellow compulsive people adverse to small changes, please rise up with me against Google's layout change!

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** Tanthrix starts a march **

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gardengnome:

google.de still looks like google.de

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Tanthrix:

Yah, the UK version is the same as well. For the US however the search options are now up in the top right

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Tanthrix:

er, left

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a5benwillis:

evening guys

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a5benwillis:

how can I view the comm flag points while watching a recorder tv show?

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gardengnome:

Tanthrix: oh my god. that sounds so wrong.

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gardengnome:

anyways, g'night.

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kash:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1zh7s_bush-doesnt-know

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xzcvczx:

anyone running a SVN version got since wednesday?

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GreyFoxx:

xzcvczx: running svn from 2 days ago here

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xzcvczx:

GreyFoxx: if you watch a movie then hit escape is the information missing? (until you hit esc again and then hit enter)?

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GreyFoxx:

What information are yu referring to ?

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xzcvczx:

director/plot/etc

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GreyFoxx:

Oh, you only see that in gallery mode, I usually use the list ...but yes, it appears to be fine here

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xzcvczx:

oh ok

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xzcvczx:

must just be a macOSX thing then

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kash:

hm

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kash:

i think i'm going to setup a frontend on my mac

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kash:

:)

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kash:

just for shits and giggles

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kash:

bbl

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kash:

meh, fuck that, no tvout

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kash:

forgot

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** kash uses a pentium 3 box **

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xzcvczx:

kash: i just use vga and soon dvi to play it on my tv

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Nem^1 is now known as Nem^

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kash:

yeah but my tv doesn't have vga

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kash:

it's a cheap-o

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Redth:

mmm i ordered a dvi to hdmi cable today

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xzcvczx:

yeah i have a 42" plasma with vga in and hdmi so gotta get a dvi to vga conv

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xzcvczx:

Redth: how much you pay?

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Redth:

$15

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xzcvczx:

us?

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Redth:

cad

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xzcvczx:

crap most places sell them for $50 plus here

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Redth:

i'd go dvi to hdmi before you try dvi to vga

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Redth:

otherwise you're losing out

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Redth:

yeah, i don't buy from radioshack though

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Redth:

now i'm just hoping my rig can handle everything

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Redth:

it does ntsc fine

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Redth:

but 720p dvb-s might be harder

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xzcvczx:

lol oops thats what i meant

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Redth:

hdmi cables are a big rip off most places though, yeah

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Redth:

hdmi IS dvi, just with audio added on

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Sid`:

and HDCP

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Loto:

monoprice.com for cables

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Redth:

yea, and i don't like HDCP

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Loto:

picked up a dvi -> hdmi adapter, hdmi coupler

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xzcvczx:

Loto: would cost me the price of the cable again at least for shipping probably

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Redth:

i was already placing an order at ncix.com, so i thought $14 sounded reasonable

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Sid`:

HDCP has to be negotiated by both ends of the connection, though

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Loto:

xzcvczx, still cheaper, especially if you buy a half decent amount of stuff

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Loto:

15ft was like 22

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Loto:

35 was like 32

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Redth:

now i need to do something about my audio setup next

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kash:

gay

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kash:

er

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kash:

gah

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kash:

i think that video cards with HDMI outputs are going to be lame. one reason: audio.

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Redth:

ya

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kash:

HDMI has audio with it, and how many gfx companies will produce an audio chip on their card?

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Redth:

dumb idea to merge video/audio into one connection imo

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Loto:

ati has

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kash:

yes, but look at how much ATI sucks.

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Loto:

then you need to play a dx9 game on a gf4

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kash:

uh, yeah, ok

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Loto:

and see how it suck ass

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kash:

what the fuck are you talking about?

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kash:

there's no dx on linux

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Loto:

ah well, true on linux

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kash:

...

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Loto:

forgot what channel im in ;)

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kash:

mythtv

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Redth:

oh that gf4 is an old card... i have some nvidia in my desktop as well

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Redth:

but i don't really play games often enough to care

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Loto:

yeah, everything i said is irrelevent

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xzcvczx:

yeah nvidia support is linux is much better than ati

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Redth:

yup

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Dagmar:

...because it's hard to be worse than ATI without sending people out to poke customers in the eyes with a sharp stick

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Redth:

seems i can do stuff with xvmc to make HD content watchable

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Redth:

can hardly wait for my card to arrive, and i need to find a dish still :(

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kash:

ebay

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Redth:

want a free dish from a friend

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Redth:

got one possible right now

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xzcvczx:

although i cant really speak at the moment all i have in my linux box is a via unichrome

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kash:

i'm going to sleep

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kash:

night

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Redth:

ya i should sleep

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Redth:

g'night

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Tanthrix:

Sid`: DVI supports HDCP just fine.

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Sid`:

Tanthrix: yeah, but your chances of finding a DVI connection that has HDCP on it is slim to nil, afaik

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Sid`:

and idiotic pass-through ports for S/PDIF

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Tanthrix:

Sid`: My previous TV, the Westinghouse LVM-37W3 had it

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Sid`:

ah, on the TV side

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Sid`:

and that's really just a function of evolution

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Sid`:

so the two were adopted at (roughly) the same time

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Tanthrix:

That TV is only 999, actually – cheapest 1080P set available I think

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Sid`:

Tanthrix: yeah, and i'm agreeing with you

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Sid`:

Tanthrix: my point was merely that HDCP on a DVI-D style connector is comparatively uncommon

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Tanthrix:

Well, whether something outputs with HDCP is totally irrelevent, for anything

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Sid`:

not really

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Sid`:

there's an awful lot of BAD HDCP implementations out there

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Sid`:

reasonably well documented

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Sid`:

no point having a useless layer of encryption between your panel and your framebuffer

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Tanthrix:

What I mean is that the real issue come into play with whether or not your TV supports HDCP or not, and you have to use some kind of device that outputs with HDCP

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Sid`:

just leads to issues

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Sid`:

Tanthrix: sure, if you're talking about being compliant with PVP-OPM or whatever vista calls it. Totally irrelevant in anything that isn't vista or a standalone HD device though

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Tanthrix:

So, nothing that matters then ;)

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Sid`:

agree.

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Sid`:

which is why HDCP adds zero value

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Tanthrix:

My cable box does HDCP which is damned annoying

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Tanthrix:

And it does it very poorly as well

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Tanthrix:

So you have to turn the cable box off and back on to get it to work after you turn your TV off once

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Sid`:

friend of mine has some LCD panel, 30ish inch thing, has the same problem

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Sid`:

but it's a bug in the TV

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Sid`:

screws with his xbox and his apple tv

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Sid`:

neither of which REQUIRE HDCP afaik, but will negotiate it if its offered by the panel

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Tanthrix:

It's a DVR, so if it's recording something, and you want to watch TV, you can't restart the box without stopping your recording

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Tanthrix:

So you just have to wait until it finishes to restart the box

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Sid`:

that's idiotic

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Tanthrix:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_to_use_a_Mot . . . _HD_channels

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Tanthrix:

So I just use component to avoid the problem with the hope that it will be fixed in a firmware upgrade at some point

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Tanthrix:

Not that I really use the cable box anyway, heh

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Sid`:

if you can pick the difference between component and DVI/HDMI from a typical viewing distance, then either your TV is too big or you've got an overstated opinion of your own eyesight :P

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Tanthrix:

Hehe

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Tanthrix:

In theory I would agree, but some TVs handle certain inputs much better than others

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Sid`:

that's true

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Sid`:

especially given the way NVidia handles component as a "TV out"

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Tanthrix:

Such that component can look better than DVI occasionally (though rarely)

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Sid`:

instead of just a colourspace-transcoded VGA

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Tanthrix:

Component isn't vga though, despite the fact the connectors are red, green, and blue

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Sid`:

it's not vga, but it's a vga-like signal with a different colourspace

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Tanthrix:

I don't think Y'PbPr is compatiable in any way with VGA, though I'm no expert

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Tanthrix:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_video

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clever:

2007-05–17 22:04:25.862 mythtranscode: 0% Completed @ 16.6667 fps.

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clever:

Running ffmpeg

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clever:

sh: ffmpeg: command not found

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clever:

arg:P

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Sid`:

YPbPr is Luma (on green, usually with sync), Y-b (on blue), and Y-r (on red). VGA has a red signal, a green signal (sometimes with sync on it), and a blue signal. VGA can also have separate pin pairs for Hsync and Vsync.

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Sid`:

so, no. VGA is VERY similar to component, it's just that the colourspace is totally different.

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Tanthrix:

Interesting

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Sid`:

it's basically a hack to save bandwidth

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Tanthrix:

So what does nvidia do that is bad with regards to component output?

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Sid`:

treats it like a TV output

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Sid`:

for starters

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Sid`:

doesn't let you define your own modelines, even though the sync signal SHOULD be passed through unaltered

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Sid`:

instead of just doing transcoding on the colourspace

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see

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Sid`:

some guys at AVSforum actually built an external transcoder, it's neat, fits in a PCI slot for power

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Sid`:

the thing that majorly annoys me about it, is that the NVidia TV out encoder doesn't support PAL timings on component outputs

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Sid`:

which means i have to run 576i60 instead of 576p50 on my not-quite-HD CRT

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Sid`:

leaves the sync signals untouched (except modulated onto Y)

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Sid`:

so you can use your own modelines

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Tanthrix:

Clever

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clever:

Tanthrix

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Tanthrix:

Er, I don't remember doing that!

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** Tanthrix thinks he is getting senile a bit early **

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pat_:

/win 4

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purserj:

yay it wasn't me that time!

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pat_:

and I usually ctrl-u before I type that

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purserj:

I'm chronic for it

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Tanthrix:

Ok, I'm really not paying attention since I thought I had just tabbed clever's name and hit enter, not that I was actually saying clever in response to Sid's comments

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clever:

lol

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Tanthrix:

So damn you for confusing me!

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clever:

i sometimes feel like im getting old too

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clever:

joints are on there way out allready

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clever:

I am 20.155864 years old. (I'll be 21 in 44wks 1day 1hr 38mins 56secs.)

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Tanthrix:

Weird, I think I am about the same. When's your birthday?

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clever:

march 22nd

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Tanthrix:

April 7th for me

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someninjamaster:

what exactly is bootsplash

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cecil:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootsplash

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cecil:

odd that the image they show isn't bootsplash as Knoppix has never had bootsplash

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jhulst_:

Is there any good plugins for streaming your videos over the network? I saw mythstreamtv but it looks like that hasn't been updated in a few years

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edman007:

hi, where is the proxy setting in mythtv? i seem to have lost it (i have a proxy set and need to unset it...i can't find where it is)

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edman007:

and i mean the proxy for getting the datadirect listings

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Anduin:

edman007: wget may use the http_proxy environment variable

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edman007:

so thats what its using? ok thanks, i need to track down where i am setting it then...

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Anduin:

If there is a setting in the settings screen I don't remember it

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cal:

how do i play with the config of mythlcdserver more than what the menu settings have? i want channel on top line and clock on bottom line.

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: Around?

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Tanthrix:

(Or anyone else with an AverTV MCE A180) – is this the same A180 that works in linux, does QAM, etc..? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100134R

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Aquahallic:

anyone know if the GeForce4 MX 440 uses the legacy drivers or not?

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: It does

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Aquahallic:

so I need legacy for that card?

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Aquahallic:

nvidia's website shows the same driver for the 8800 and such

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: right after 9631 the main driver dropped support (I think)

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Tanthrix:

If you check the readme though it gives a complete listing

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Zider:

Hitachi has released a 1TB disk.. wouldn't that be sweet :D

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directhex:

Zider, no. eight of them might be though

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directhex:

Zider, a pain to set up though, with the 2tib limit thing

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Zider:

1 is enough for a mediacenter.. more is just noisy.. :P

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mIRCat:

Maybe if it was a solid state drive :(

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mIRCat:

MMm I/O

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Zider:

*drooool*

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Zider:

until you'd see the price tag ;)

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Zider:

1TB PRAM.. can you spell expensive?

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mIRCat:

yes... yes I can :

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directhex:

x-p-e-n-s-e-e-v?

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Zider:

s-h-i-t-l-o-a-d

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Zider:

"That is correct. Can you spell monkey?"

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directhex:

okay, this is for the silver medal! spell "forensics"

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Zider:

for en SIC s

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atrus:

attempting to watch live tv with a pvrusb2, but i get a black screen. first error in the log is "MPEGRec(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding", followed by some file descriptor errors. more context at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/21399/ . Suggestions appreciated.

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atrus:

cat'ing /dev/v4l/video0 into a file results in a playable mpeg

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voltagex:

hi, since changing my computer's IP address and hostname (for the LAN only) I can't connect to the backend (FE and BE are on the same machine)

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Anduin:

voltagex: re mythtv-setup and update mysql.txt

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directhex:

voltagex, so fix the IP address the backend binds on in mythtv-setup

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Anduin:

atrus: anything useful in dmesg?

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voltagex:

directhex, Anduin: done both of them

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Anduin:

voltagex: for many settings you will need to alter the settings table with your updated host name

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voltagex:

Anduin: :|

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atrus:

Anduin: hmm. "***WARNING*** device's encoder appears to be stuck (status=0x00000003)"

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Anduin:

voltagex: The backend setting shouldn't be one of those though, just something to look at. You did enter an IP in mythtv-setup?

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atrus:

that's new.

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Anduin:

atrus: but cat works fine still? (I don't have a usb encoder, nor have I ever used one)

[07:59:30]

atrus:

doesn't seem to NOW. :/

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Anduin:

At least that is less mysterious

[08:01:06]

voltagex:

Anduin: something is b0rked

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atrus:

where do mythtv settings get stored anyways?

[08:05:32]

Anduin:

atrus: The settings table in the mythconverg DB

[08:05:37]

atrus:

ah.

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Anduin:

excluding the settings to find the DB (which are in mysql.txt)

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voltagex:

Anduin: might just wipe it for now. Will only be a short while til I get my brand new dual core box.

[08:07:37]

Anduin:

voltagex: It really is an IP you entered in mythtv-setup? (You can also run the frontend with -v network)

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voltagex:

Anduin: 10.1.1.10, internal IP of this box

[08:09:18]

Anduin:

voltagex: You can telnet there to port 6543?

[08:20:49]

Tanthrix:

I'm about to buy my new system!

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** Tanthrix gets nervous **

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atrus:

closer. video is working, but audio's muted. "Opening ALSA audio device 'default'." "AudioOutput Error: Access type not available: Invalid argument" "AudioOutput Error: Unable to set ALSA parameters"

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voltagex:

Anduin: yes

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clever:

[mpeg2video @ 0x8336c48]MPEG1/2 does not support 5/1 fps

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clever:

Error while opening codec for output stream #0.0 – maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height

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clever:

************************************************************

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clever:

ERROR: Failed while running ffmpeg to re-encode video.

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clever:

mytharchive crashed:(

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[08:28:49]

stuarta:

morning all

[08:29:12]

clever:

you know much about mytharchive/ffmpeg?

[08:29:24]

stuarta:

who me?

[08:29:29]

clever:

yeah

[08:29:40]

clever:

wondering if i should reask my question

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Tanthrix:

Sid`: By the way, it looks like you were totally wrong about HDCP over DVI. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0

[08:29:45]

Tanthrix:

News to me as well!

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Anduin:

voltagex: I'd run the frontend with -v network or all or most and see what it is doing

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stuarta:

clever: pastebin the output of ffmpeg -i <inputfile>

[08:33:35]

stuarta:

it's possible it's one of those ffmpeg changed the default encode bitrate.

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stuarta:

type of things

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** stuarta upgrades **

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voltagex:

Anduin: tomorrow, I have to go now!

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

[08:38:18]

Tanthrix:

I need to decide whether or not to upgrade my main system's video card (7600GS)

[08:38:50]

Tanthrix:

(And then move the 7600GS to the new myth box, as opposed to just buying a $40 cheapie card for it)

[08:39:30]

directhex|work:

7600gs sounds like overkill for myth

[08:40:07]

Tanthrix:

Oh, definately. The main issue is concerning my main system

[08:40:17]

Tanthrix:

Whether or not I want a better card for it

[08:40:32]

Tanthrix:

I don't game much, but I was trying out Oblivion a few days ago and it was not up to the task at all

[08:41:09]

directhex|work:

if you don't game all that often, just buy an xbox – it'll last longer, and it's less hastle

[08:41:14]

Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

Not a big console fan

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directhex|work:

games are games. it's about the message, not the medium

[08:43:11]

Tanthrix:

It's a bit different than that...can't upgrade consoles, can't do keyboard / mouse input often, etc..

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directhex|work:

there are great games for every conceivable system

[08:43:17]

directhex|work:

well, except the philips cdi

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Zider:

there were some nice games for that too :P

[08:43:43]

Tanthrix:

And if I don't game that much, I definately shouldn't be buying something that can only be used for gaming :P

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** stuarta is thinking about getting a WII **

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directhex|work:

stuarta, for which games?

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Tanthrix:

I bought one the day it came out to play Zelda

[08:44:09]

stuarta:

wii sports & gold

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stuarta:

golf

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Tanthrix:

Beat it rather quickly, then sold it for $120 more than I paid ;)

[08:44:38]

stuarta:

basically it's great for drunk people and small children

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directhex|work:

i'm not convinced the wii is worth its purchase price yet

[08:45:10]

Zider:

the wii is not worth the breaking of my precious TV :P

[08:45:51]

Tanthrix:

Bottom line: consoles suck. all of them. I win!

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directhex|work:

it inevitably will be, but not today. probably not this year. and i'd be surprised if it was next year

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Zider:

directhex|work: or at all

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directhex|work:

Zider, i'm sure it will be at all. they've finally piqued my interest with some titles, but i need to see a significant games library before i can stomach the unit price

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Zider:

I'm pleased with my gp2x.. it emulates all the system I want except one.. ;)

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directhex|work:

yeah, it's crap at gp32 emulation :'(

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Zider:

directhex|work: well the gp32 emulator is only recently started

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clever:

stuarta: fetching more of the ffmpeg output

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Zider:

and I was thinking of UAE

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gbee:

United Arab Emirates?

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directhex|work:

emulation's not the same, anyway

[08:49:03]

directhex|work:

gbee, amiga.

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clever:

stuarta: http://pastebin.ca/494495

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Zider:

if only they could use the second core.. :P

[08:50:04]

directhex|work:

mpeg4, yuv420p, 400x400

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directhex|work:

yerk

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clever:

lol

[08:50:46]

clever:

i told mytharchive to make a dvd iso with menu's and crap

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atrus:

"in SetParameters(format=2, channels=2, rate=48000, buffer_time=500000, period_time=125000)" => "AudioOutput Error: Access type not available: Invalid argument"

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stuarta:

clever: does it behave differently if you don't use menu's?

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clever:

havent tryed yet

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stuarta:

btw. keep that log, it may need reporting

[08:52:28]

clever:

and it took 5 hours to finish the first file before it errored out

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Sid`:

Tanthrix: i never said there were NONE, i just said they were fuck all and impossible to get

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atrus:

not sure what to do with this, which seems to be the root of my audio problems.

[08:59:56]

rsdvd:

Hi all.......can anyone tell me how to extend an XFS filesystem in LVM?

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directhex|work:

make your underlying LVM volume (which has the XFS partition on it) bigger, then use xfs_growfs

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clever:

may also need to pvcreate and vgextend if you added a harddrive and it isnt part of the lvmsystem yet

[09:03:22]

directhex|work:

remember xfs only goes one way though, so make sure you get it right

[09:03:36]

clever:

yeah thats the pain of xfs

[09:03:40]

clever:

ext3 seems to work for me

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Zider:

which file systems can be both shrunk and grown? (if any)

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clever:

ext2/3 i know can go both ways

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directhex|work:

ext3 is very poor for large files

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rsdvd:

Thanks all......I have manged to extend it now! I won;t miss all my shows now while I am on holiday :-)

[09:05:35]

clever:

my files only get up to 1gig max with mythtv

[09:05:43]

clever:

which are 1 hour shows

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Anduin:

atrus: your ALSA device doesn't support SND_PCM_ACCESS_MMAP_INTERLEAVED (probably)

[09:05:52]

clever:

dont record movies often

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rsdvd:

ext3 stinks for a 'store' in myth......it takes ages to do anything whith really large files

[09:06:12]

atrus:

Anduin: and that's.....bad? :)

[09:06:15]

quicksilver:

I think stinks is a bit extreme

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clever:

rsdvd: define realy large

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quicksilver:

I used ext3fs for a year or more with myth

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quicksilver:

and was perfectly happy :)

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rsdvd:

clever......I have everything recorded in Mpeg....and most 45 min shows are 2.2G

[09:06:41]

quicksilver:

it's true that others are faster, though

[09:06:47]

clever:

ouch

[09:06:56]

Anduin:

atrus: If you want to use MythTV's ALSA out, it is.

[09:06:56]

clever:

im using mpeg4 and i get about 1gig/hour

[09:07:12]

clever:

rtjpeg is horid at several gig/hour

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rsdvd:

I moved it over to XFS when I added a 500G drive....now it copies/deletes etc much quicker

[09:07:22]

directhex|work:

clever, 2g/hour is normal for anyone using mpeg2 – either via dvb, or a pvr card

[09:07:32]

clever:

frame grabber here

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rsdvd:

I keep saying I will transcode the stuff I want to AVI....but neber get round to it

[09:08:10]

directhex|work:

you don't transcode to .avi, you recontain to .avi

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atrus:

Anduin: well my alsa out default is just a virtual card provided by pulseaudio. i don't suppose mythtv can talk to pulseaudio directly?

[09:08:25]

clever:

i just tried to transcode 5 shows to burn to dvd

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clever:

but mytharchive crashed

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directhex|work:

clever, it's occasionally fragile, but it DOES work

[09:08:58]

rsdvd:

directhex|work : well you knew what I meant

[09:09:04]

clever:

http://pastebin.ca/494495

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clever:

log of the error from mytharchive

[09:09:41]

clever:

47 programs, using 25 GB (1 day 1 hr 48 mins) out of 62 GB (2.3 GB free).

[09:09:43]

clever:

from mythweb

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atrus:

not sure i can see where it might list all the available output methods

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directhex|work:

atrus, iirc, myth can do OSS, ALSA or JACK output

[09:10:35]

clever:

my mythtv is using oss everywhere

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Zider:

mine uses alsa

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Anduin:

atrus: I'd probably try OSS

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directhex|work:

maybe aRts too

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clever:

i needed to use the 2nd audio card

[09:11:22]

clever:

the only alsa stuff i could get was default alsa

[09:11:36]

clever:

and using /dev/dsp2 worked

[09:13:32]

atrus:

so what device specification would cause it to use oss? my first guess crashed and burned :)

[09:13:59]

clever:

tru just giving the raw path to the oss dev

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directhex|work:

no prefix

[09:14:51]

atrus:

out of curiousity, is this documented somewhere i missed? :)

[09:15:00]

directhex|work:

it's the default!

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clever:

not that i know of

[09:15:07]

clever:

but i can grep the source:P

[09:15:31]

Zider:

it was default when I installed it.. (which was a while ago tho)

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directhex|work:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . ontend#Audio

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atrus:

Anduin: aha, got it, was able to emulate a dsp from pulseaudio to make it work. this might just do the job :)

[09:18:49]

Zider:

what is pulseaudio?

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directhex|work:

Zider, esound, but with even less appo support. woo!

[09:19:30]

atrus:

it's sort of like jack and esd wrapped up but without all the suck :)

[09:19:45]

atrus:

directhex|work: ooh, them's fighting words :)

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directhex|work:

atrus, since dmix became the default in alsa, what's the point?

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Zider:

what's the use of any mixing at all on a media center? :P

[09:20:12]

directhex|work:

even people with bog standard ac97 get mixed audio without tinkering

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directhex|work:

Zider, ssssh!

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atrus:

the big thing I use it for is how remarkably easy it is to switch between devices. eg, my laptop's sound, the usb when it's hooked up to my desktop workstation, over the network as required, all very transparently

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stuarta:

morning juski

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Tanthrix:

Bleh, it seems the motherboard I just ordered has a pin out for the serial header that is backwards from everyone else's

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Zider:

re-pin the connector :)

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Tanthrix:

Not a huge deal certainly, still I'd rather not have to deal with it

[09:36:02]

Zider:

true, it should be a standard..

[09:40:10]

Tanthrix:

Well, if I'm going to have to re-pin it, I guess I'll see if I can find an old one at work somewhere

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quicksilver:

Oy, DVB buffs

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quicksilver:

What's the sampling rate on the audio channels in (UK) DVB-T?

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quicksilver:

out of curiousity... how does it compare to, e.g. CDs, or common mp3 bitrates

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stuarta:

normally 192k

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stuarta:

IIRC

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stuarta:

so the first one i check is 256kb :)

[10:18:56]

stuarta:

Stream #0.1[0x259](eng): Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 256 kb/s

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quicksilver:

stuarta: it's just up to the broadcaster, basically?

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quicksilver:

stuarta: the STBs will decode any sensible bitrate?

[10:20:55]

stuarta:

yup, that was a BBC recording

[10:21:00]

stuarta:

yes they should

[10:21:01]

Saviq:

guys what do You think... when will we have optical video connections... For me it seems the only logical solution to long cable problems... and why isn't it yet used? no idea...

[10:21:15]

stuarta:

quicksilver: the radio channels run at a lower bitrate normally

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stuarta:

Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 160 kb/s

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** quicksilver nods **

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stuarta:

Saviq: $$$$

[10:22:15]

stuarta:

i've seen the prices on a 50m component cable

[10:22:32]

stuarta:

it's essentially optical transceivers on each end.

[10:22:40]

stuarta:

it's over 1000 quid

[10:23:04]

stuarta:

bloody rip off

[10:23:14]

Saviq:

yeah but that's because of it being not a standard solution

[10:23:44]

Saviq:

as we know, the fibers themselves are made from... junk, actually ;)

[10:24:04]

Saviq:

and they're essentially cheaper in production than cu cables

[10:24:14]

Saviq:

the only difficult thing is cutting

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Saviq:

and you can buy a optical spdif cable for a twopence, almost

[10:24:51]

stuarta:

the cables are cheap, it's the conversion from electrical to optical that aint

[10:24:58]

Dibblah:

Saviq: It depends.

[10:25:09]

Dibblah:

SPDIF isn't actually nice cable.

[10:25:19]

Dibblah:

It's multimode and _wide_.

[10:25:42]

Saviq:

yes I know that the bitrate going through isn't good enough

[10:25:46]

Dibblah:

Which means you get lots of unpredictable internal reflections.

[10:25:53]

Saviq:

stuarta: conversion is not so difficult

[10:26:11]

Saviq:

it's just a diode and a photodiode on the other side

[10:26:16]

Dibblah:

Hence why 'real' solutions use single-mode glass fibres.

[10:26:46]

Dibblah:

Which are nasty to terminate and splice and require lots of equipment.

[10:27:22]

Saviq:

but the gain on performance of the cable is giant

[10:27:23]

Dibblah:

But... You'll probably see UWB in the marketplace soon.

[10:27:38]

Dibblah:

Who the hell wants wires anyway?

[10:27:43]

Saviq:

;]

[10:28:15]

Saviq:

true – why doesn't the tv or the projector itself don't decode mpeg4 signals

[10:28:35]

Dibblah:

Because that's what the PC / Box is for?

[10:28:58]

Dibblah:

You're really going too far down the convergence idea ;)

[10:29:13]

Saviq:

yeah but then there're the problems of feeding the damn signal into the display

[10:29:33]

Saviq:

why couldn't it be connected via ethernet or wifi ;)

[10:29:36]

Dibblah:

... Which have been solved since the introduction of plugs.

[10:29:47]

Saviq:

yeah right

[10:30:06]

Dibblah:

Ethernet isn't high enough bandwidth, so wifi is right out.

[10:30:15]

Saviq:

and spending almost the same amount on the cables that you've spent on the display itself to have the image quite right

[10:30:25]

Dibblah:

Is dumb.

[10:30:45]

Saviq:

Dibblah: it would be enough – if the signal would be compressed

[10:30:45]

Dibblah:

DVI cables are cheap and cheerful.

[10:31:29]

Dibblah:

Even if you're going component – I just got a 15m cable for Â£15, delivered.

[10:32:29]

Dibblah:

Real cable, of course. Proper matched signal coax, with overall shielding.

[10:33:23]

Dibblah:

Cabling is all down to setting expectations.

[10:33:49]

Dibblah:

Cheap == bad. Almost always with video cables.

[10:34:20]

Saviq:

yeah I know, though it's difficult to feed the ready-made cable in the wall..

[10:34:43]

Dibblah:

Heh. I have a drill and filler...

[10:34:58]

Saviq:

;]

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juski:

afternoonish

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kash:

morning

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stuarta:

indeed. it's almost beer o'clock :)

[11:05:01]

Saviq:

lol

[11:05:18]

** stuarta looks at the clock **

[11:05:27]

stuarta:

it *is* beer o'clock!

[11:06:11]

juski:

no pub for me til next weekend

[11:12:52]

Saviq:

I know you'll hate me for that... but I just want to say that I begin to looove the Fujitsu/Siemens Scaleo looks and purpose for htpc

[11:14:23]

juski:

can you spell w h a t e v e r ?

[11:14:33]

Saviq:

let me try

[11:14:34]

Saviq:

w

[11:14:35]

Saviq:

h

[11:14:35]

Saviq:

a

[11:14:35]

Saviq:

t

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Saviq:

e

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Saviq:

v

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Saviq:

e

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Saviq:

r

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Saviq:

;P

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juski:

either that or you can cut & paste

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directhex|work:

how is juski today?

[11:17:23]

Saviq:

nasty as usual

[11:17:28]

juski:

don't ask

[11:17:32]

juski:

thanks

[11:22:52]

juski:

it's nice that it's friday though – it's been a looong week. 14 days long to be exact

[11:23:29]

juski:

gonna be great to get a weekend when today'

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juski:

today's over :)

[11:26:09]

Maddi:

Hi all

[11:26:11]

Maddi:

Is it possible to set the spacing between the buttons in the main menu ( in the theme ) ?

[11:26:16]

Maddi:

atm the space always is the height of my images.

[11:27:00]

juski:

Maddi: no

[11:27:09]

Maddi:

Its not possible ?

[11:27:27]

juski:

Maddi: you can however set the number of rows & the height of the button area

[11:28:13]

Maddi:

juski: Yeah, found that out, but since my bg images are so high ( at least the active state )

[11:28:27]

Maddi:

jusik: it just looks ugly.

[11:28:43]

juski:

so make them look NOT ugly

[11:29:05]

Maddi:

juski: Is there a reference to the main menu in on of the ui.xml files ?

[11:29:16]

juski:

make your buttons a realistic size

[11:29:20]

Maddi:

juski: The Buttons are very nice ;)

[11:29:26]

juski:

ffs it's all in theme.xml

[11:29:31]

Maddi:

k

[11:30:05]

juski:

so er.. screenshots of this allegedly nice theme then?

[11:30:18]

Maddi:

sure, wait a sec...

[11:31:06]

juski:

NABT? (not another blue theme?) ;)

[11:31:27]

Dibblah:

Sheesh. Uwe isn't any better in German.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, uwe boll?

[11:32:19]

Dibblah:

Heavily filtered through Google Glasses, but his worth still shines through.

[11:32:36]

Dibblah:

Uwe Bugla.

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Maddi:

juski: No, but not my artwork none the less ;)

[11:35:08]

Dibblah:

"Ich mÃ¶chte ferner darauf hinweisen, dass nicht nur ich persÃ¶nlich in privaten Mails mehrfach mit freundlichstem Unterton versucht habe, IHNEN, Herr Rechberger, so etwas wie eine goldene BrÃ¼cke zu bauen."

[11:35:24]

Dibblah:

And then swearing at and about them in public. Yeah, that's going to work.

[11:36:02]

juski:

yeah well I've been on the brink of permanently withdrawing my themes so many times I'm wondering if I should just do it once & for all

[11:36:19]

juski:

delete the fsking lot

[11:36:35]

Maddi:

juski: http://maddimax.dyndns.org/atvtheme.jpg

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directhex|work:

4:3. how retro

[11:37:24]

Maddi:

just for the screenshot

[11:37:34]

Dibblah:

Haven't you heard? Blue is the new black.

[11:37:38]

Maddi:

normaly it would be 16:9

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, i want black leds on my gadgets!

[11:37:55]

Maddi:

Not the otherway around ?

[11:37:58]

Maddi:

:)

[11:38:13]

Dibblah:

Nah. Black is so 10:00 now.

[11:38:19]

Maddi:

;)

[11:38:23]

Maddi:

Tell that to apple

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Maddi:

But you see my problem juski ?

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Dibblah:

Juski: Reason for pulling the themes? Or just can't afford to take all the support time?

[11:40:05]

juski:

Maddi: no I don't see the problem

[11:40:24]

bobbob1016:

I'm planning on setting up a mythtv box, but I have a few questions. What TV Tuners would be compatible with MythTV out of the box?

[11:40:55]

Maddi:

juski: Seems quite obvious too me, that the spacing between the buttons is far too big, just because of the blue glow.

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juski:

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juski:

bobbob1016: NONE

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directhex|work:

bobbob1016, that's a linux question

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quicksilver:

bobbob1016: there are some useful lists of known compatible hardware on the wiki

[11:42:48]

bobbob1016:

oh, sorry, I thought it would fall under both

[11:42:52]

quicksilver:

bobbob1016: and also on the linux TV wikis

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juski:

tv tuners work in linux or they don't work in linux. mythtv doesn't 'support' tuners

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Maddi:

juski: inbetween the <genericbutton> ?

[11:44:05]

juski:

oh and feel free to use images out of my themes without permission

[11:44:50]

Maddi:

juski: Who do you mean ?

[11:44:54]

Maddi:

Me ?

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juski:

I don;t know any other themes that use that 'home' icon

[11:46:15]

Maddi:

Come on, I just used that theme as a starting point.

[11:46:26]

Maddi:

Its no way of being finished.

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juski:

nah screw it

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Maddi:

And since it uses atv graphics, there is no way I could ever release it.

[11:47:53]

Maddi:

Well thanks for the friendly help

[11:47:56]

Maddi:

good bye

[11:48:58]

juski:

yeah and farewell from me too

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directhex|work:

you gave advice and i ripped off your stuff. you suck :'(

[11:49:18]

directhex|work:

poor juski

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juski:

sometimes I really have to wonder why I bother

[12:10:20]

juski:

the bane of open source stuff. bloody altruism

[12:10:26]

directhex|work:

an unfailing belief that people can be educated and improved

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mIRCat:

That's what the man page says

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juski:

def. going to change the licence my themes are under. creative commons, no derivations allowed (so no butchered versions), attribution (have to give credit where distributed)

[12:19:46]

directhex|work:

what are they now?

[12:20:16]

juski:

gpl

[12:21:11]

directhex|work:

didn't you withdraw them entirely last night?

[12:21:30]

juski:

that's just way too bastardish

[12:28:38]

juski:

maybe a better scheme for me would be a 'kiss my arse then I'll give you a download location' sceheme

[12:29:14]

gbee:

...

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fryfrog:

Why don't you just not release your themes at all?

[12:31:38]

fryfrog:

It seems like they cause you more trouble than its worth, why not just use them for yourself and not even offer them for download?

[12:32:10]

juski:

also an option

[12:33:42]

gbee:

found the kitten with one of the two earpieces from my headphones hanging out her mouth :(

[12:34:02]

fryfrog:

holey cow, those must be some big strong kitens... or small headphones?

[12:34:16]

gordboy:

i can see why there is a mythdora distro. it is just about impossible to have a consistent mythtv setup with fedora, using the discredited atrpms repo. i managed to get something going, but it is far from acceptable. so i guess it's ubuntu mythtv for me

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fryfrog:

what are discredited atrpms?

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fryfrog:

i think for myth, i'd go with svn -fixes branch

[12:35:08]

fryfrog:

the only distro that i've seen that i "like" the way they do their packages is gentoo

[12:35:11]

juski:

just build it yerself

[12:35:18]

juski:

you're the only person you can count on

[12:35:21]

fryfrog:

all the other ones seem to lag way behind or a bit behind

[12:35:33]

gordboy:

juski, no. build yourself is not a good idea

[12:35:48]

fryfrog:

actually, it really is :)

[12:35:51]

juski:

gordboy: why not? it's not difficult

[12:35:54]

fryfrog:

you get the latest from -fixes

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juski:

and you're in control and you know exactly what you're getting

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gordboy:

juski, i understand what you are saying. i think that building your own stuff when there are packages available is a waste of time. it also adds to the admin overhead

[12:37:24]

fryfrog:

depends on the quality of those packages :?

[12:37:26]

fryfrog:

er, no ?

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fryfrog:

When a fix comes to mythtv 0.20 that resolves some issue... do you want to wait 6 months for Ubuntu to include it in their packages?

[12:38:08]

gordboy:

fryfrog, yes

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fryfrog:

ah, well then go for it :)

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mIRCat:

All your binaries are belong to us.

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fryfrog:

Ubuntu's new Feisty has a very recent version of MythTV, from what I understand

[12:39:04]

fryfrog:

I don't think I'd go for some "MythBuntu" crap, but Feisty with myuth install shouldn't be horrible

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directhex|work:

it has a slightly old build of -fixes

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gordboy:

fryfrog, i've got mythtv up & running on both ubuntu & fedora. i wouldn't be venturing my opinions without actually having some knowledge of the matter

[12:42:58]

juski:

anyway I don't want to be bouncing between states of love & hate for users. just wish i could make my facking mind up what to do with the skins

[12:44:03]

fryfrog:

gpl them, leave the channel, never look for others using your theme, pretend it never happened :)

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: if you like packages, but you are the kind of user who cares about having the latest fix included, you learn how to compile your own packages

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: this is not very hard :)

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fryfrog:

quicksilver: true. i still need to figure out how to build debian packages

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Daviey:

Hey.... What do people generally think of USB tuners?

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juski:

they're shite?

[12:45:25]

Daviey:

why?

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juski:

probably not too bad if you're always gonna be around to replug em

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: typically, unpack them with dpkg-src, then fakeroot debian/rules binary

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: or use dpkg-buildpackage for automation

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Daviey:

juski, i agree but my argument is that USB isn't designed for that much data transfer

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fryfrog:

huh?

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Daviey:

juski, do they tend to require re-plugging in then?

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directhex|work:

Daviey, they tend to fall over, requiring unplug/replug

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juski:

my argument would be, knowing USB as I do, that nothing on USB is to be regarded as anything other than disposable

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fryfrog:

USB2 supports some stupid retarded speed of like 450mb/sec or something

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, 480mbit/sec. minus overheads

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fryfrog:

of all the arguments against usb tuners, i think *speed* is probably the only false one :)

[12:47:19]

juski:

if you need _dependable_ don't use USB :)

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quicksilver:

what is the current view on a fairly cheap, fairly small diskless FE?

[12:47:53]

Daviey:

ta

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Merlin83b:

IT's a good thing.

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quicksilver:

Merlin83b: :)

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quicksilver:

I overheard people saying bad things about epia boards the other day

[12:50:09]

quicksilver:

but are there any alternatives with TV-out?

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Merlin83b:

I use Epia and it works fine (for SD)

[12:50:30]

Merlin83b:

juski uses Epia

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quicksilver:

yeah, just SD

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directhex|work:

epia's SEVERELY underpowered

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directhex|work:

whether or not you care depends on what you're playing

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directhex|work:

there are epia-sized core2 boarss if you're rich and fussed

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gbee:

fryfrog: they _were_ in-ear phones, she's chewed through the wire in a couple of places :(

[12:57:13]

gbee:

my fault for leaving it somewhere she could reach

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directhex|work:

bin the cat, get a rat!

[12:58:27]

fryfrog:

<3 rats!

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fryfrog:

i used to have a very sweet, smart hairless rat

[12:59:04]

fryfrog:

my wife used to even take her to classes in her pocket

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juski:

I'd not buy Epia ever again

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directhex|work:

yick, hairless.

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directhex|work:

juski, would you stick with the form factor – i.e. is it c3 you dislike?

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juski:

form factor is ok. it's the fscking puny arse cpu that's the problem

[13:01:32]

juski:

odd numbered released of minimyth tend to trip it up

[13:02:16]

juski:

my 733 mhx celeron M powered s100 has more grunt than the 1ghz c3

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directhex|work:

http://global.aopen.com/products_detail.aspx? . . . mp;mdstl=257 !

[13:03:38]

juski:

rather have a mac mini

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juski:

cheaper, better looking

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Merlin83b:

I'd have one again – you just have to know what you're getting.

[13:04:13]

juski:

when it works it's fine

[13:04:19]

juski:

when it nearly works it's a bithc

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juski:

*bitch

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directhex|work:

like fruitcake!

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

Just built my new mythtv box, now all I need to do is install from svn

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planktonboy:

any tips would be appreciated :)

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juski:

svn.mythtv.org

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planktonboy:

juski thanks mate..will take a look there

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planktonboy:

hows things btw

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juski:

shite

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planktonboy:

yeah?

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planktonboy:

whys that

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planktonboy:

before I build from svn I guess I need to get all the dependencies

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Merlin83b:

That would seem to make sense, yes.

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directhex|work:

apt-get build-dep mythtv

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planktonboy:

thanks directhex :)

[13:20:37]

juski:

you might want to add mythplugins to that

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directhex|work:

yeah, that too

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planktonboy:

ah ok...cheers juski

[13:23:14]

quicksilver:

juski: yeah, I was wondering if a mac mini was the right answer

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quicksilver:

juski: is it really cheaper

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directhex|work:

mac mini's not bad value when you add up what goes into it

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: but do the core2 boards you speak of have tv-out?

[13:23:46]

quicksilver:

certainly

[13:23:48]

directhex|work:

quicksilver, yes. yes they do

[13:23:51]

quicksilver:

it's not bad value adding that up

[13:24:01]

quicksilver:

but what matters is not that (cos most of it isn't relevant to a FE)

[13:24:08]

quicksilver:

what matters is just the FE-relevant bits :)

[13:24:15]

quicksilver:

and the comparision to other FE options

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directhex|work:

like the CPU, graphics, and noise, all od which are pretty good in the mac mini?

[13:24:31]

** quicksilver nods **

[13:24:33]

quicksilver:

yup

[13:24:43]

quicksilver:

my colo server is a mac mini :)

[13:24:47]

quicksilver:

it's damn nice

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directhex|work:

freak!

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quicksilver:

cheapest colo I could find

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quicksilver:

you can fit a lot of minis into a rack...

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juski:

from the moment I saw a mac mini in person it was <8

[13:25:14]

quicksilver:

(even leaving air gaps for ventilation)

[13:25:21]

juski:

or <3 even

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directhex|work:

juski, how about >8/ ?

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stuarta:

juski: i can bring mine to lugradio if we want :)

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juski:

stuarta: that'd be cool

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juski:

I'll bring my new wide display

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directhex|work:

stuarta, you run a mini as a FE?

[13:26:09]

stuarta:

we just need to agree versions a week or so out.

[13:26:16]

juski:

dunno what we'll do for a BE. prolly my dustbin

[13:26:19]

stuarta:

directhex|work: yes i've run it as a frontend

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directhex|work:

stuarta, linux or osx?

[13:26:37]

stuarta:

osx

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directhex|work:

hm

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stuarta:

cant be arsed to put linux on it atm

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quicksilver:

stuarta: can you use the mac mini remote in a useful way?

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quicksilver:

(it's a bit short on buttons)

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stuarta:

yeah, there's just enough there to be useful

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, that's why i wrote my driver!

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stuarta:

buttons are overloaded. ie. short press & press n hold do different things

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quicksilver:

stuarta: that sounds a little tricky on the WAF :)

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quicksilver:

stuarta: could be worth a go, though

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, ps3 remote >_<

[13:30:07]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: ?

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: ps3 remote works with a mac?

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stuarta:

quicksilver: so far it's better than no remote on the main machine... :)

[13:30:46]

directhex|work:

quicksilver, the mac mini has integrated bluetooth. the ps3 remote is a 51-key bluetooth remote

[13:32:36]

quicksilver:

ah

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quicksilver:

neat

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: presumably we'd expect 3rd party bluetooth remotes to start coming on the market now

[13:33:01]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: since the PS3 uses them?

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quicksilver:

and prices to come down, etc

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, i should think so. but at Â£17, the official one's not bad

[13:33:21]

quicksilver:

ah yes, not bad

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directhex|work:

just don't moan about the low quality of my python coding

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juski:

me? not moan? jesus you don't know me

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a5benwillis:

.

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a5benwillis:

n/m I found it :D

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frink_:

hmm

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frink_:

mythdora 4 has lost all the useful utils such as kaffiene and dvbscan :(

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juski:

and thus, my respect

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frink_:

and the hauppauge autoscan thing still aint been fixored

[14:03:38]

frink_:

:(

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juski:

anyway since when was gding.com the obvious URL to choose for mythdora?

[14:03:54]

frink_:

maybe i missed a utils optionon the install

[14:04:03]

frink_:

yeah it is quite odd isnt it...

[14:06:10]

juski:

'quite' being something of an understatement..

[14:06:55]

directhex|work:

i think badgerfarm.cx would be a better url

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planktonboy:

just a quick question, when I build mythtv from svn does it create a mythtv user itself or do I have to do that manually

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, creating users is a job for packagers

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juski:

mushroom-badger.lovers.cx

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juski:

creating users is a job for $deity

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planktonboy:

ok, so I need to create a user called mythtv first and then download mythtv svn and compile from within mythtv user yeah?

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juski:

you can build mythtv as any user you like

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planktonboy:

ok

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juski:

you only need root privileges to do make install

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planktonboy:

yup

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juski:

and er.. the very reason some people choose to build mythtv themselves is exactly that they don't like everything being done for them outside of their control ;)

[14:12:33]

juski:

Handy holdy (Y/n) ?

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planktonboy:

sure..that makes sense

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planktonboy:

wasnt that the reason most of us are using Linux

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planktonboy:

:)

[14:16:02]

planktonboy:

well...the other reason anyway

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juski:

not the reaon ubuntu's so popular, I'll wager ;)

[14:19:00]

juski:

curses! the dvi-hdmi cables I ordered have arrived at the wrong premises. oh bum

[14:19:14]

juski:

!trout purchasing-dept idiotic

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** MythLogBot slaps purchasing-dept with a idiotic trout on behalf of juski... **

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Merlin83b:

!trout the-clock not beer o'clock yet

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** MythLogBot slaps the-clock with a not beer o'clock yet trout on behalf of Merlin83b... **

[14:19:53]

a5benwillis:

juski: Did I hear you say you use minimyth?

[14:20:05]

juski:

yes you did FWIW

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a5benwillis:

Gonna give it a try on a 1gb SD card. THink I'll have any troubles?

[14:20:36]

juski:

you might also have seen me say I wouldn't have another epia board gicen the chance

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** stuarta disagrees with Merlin83b **

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juski:

a5benwillis: why? netbooting is pretty quick anyway

[14:21:22]

juski:

netbooting doesn't work out any slower than booting from a hdd in most cases

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a5benwillis:

lol, dont wanna frack with my working myth be/fe

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juski:

a5benwillis: so?

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a5benwillis:

cause Im a wimp. I may try it once I see the benifits of a seperate fe

[14:22:20]

juski:

setting up a tft& dhcp server is easy

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juski:

*tftp*

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quicksilver:

netbooting can easily be faster than booting from hdd

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quicksilver:

if your server has a faster HD than you do...

[14:24:32]

juski:

anyway netbooting is a lot less bovver

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a5benwillis:

ok, I'll try it. looking for wiki's now

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stuarta:

upgrades are easy, so are downgrades

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juski:

parker1.co.uk has a guide on setting up tftp & dhcp on ubunut – esp for minimyth

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juuva:

network block-devices make it even faster than nfs root or something similiar..

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juski:

I followed it & took about 5 mins to get it worky

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stuarta:

ah NDB, they are cool, much like iSCSI

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a5benwillis:

http://parker1.co.uk/epia_minimyth.php

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a5benwillis:

that one juski

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juski:

a5benwillis: yeah

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jams:

only thing i don't like about netbooting is removing dhcp services from the router

[14:28:34]

a5benwillis:

yeah, my thoughts exactly

[14:28:49]

jams:

not a big deal, just personal preference

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frink_:

network block devices?

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frink_:

sexy

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juski:

sod that

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juski:

minimyth is the only reason I even have dhcp running

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a5benwillis:

seems like my router had trouble allowing clients on the internet if it didnt give them the IP. That may have been my old one though.

[14:29:25]

gardengnome:

juski: get a real router – my openwrt device supports netbooting just fine ;)

[14:29:37]

juski:

dhcp & mythboxes do not make likely bed partners unless you do fixed IP leases

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juski:

screw wireless

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jams:

eh static for th MBE frontends change at will

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frink_:

i have a wireless mythfrontend that works pretty good

[14:32:54]

a5benwillis:

Dumb question: If I wanted to recomplie and reinstall myth on my box to get a new patch that was released as a bugfix. Would I have to reconfigure everything?

[14:32:56]

a5benwillis:

.

[14:33:07]

a5benwillis:

No experience in this area yet.

[14:33:28]

juski:

just keep the same database

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juski:

I don't think I'll ever be sold on the idea of wireless networking. natural born skeptic

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, or they get rebooted

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kslater:

has anyone considered this device for a myth storage solution? http://www.drobo.com/

[14:44:16]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: nope

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: thing has been switched off many times

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: sometimes for hours at a time

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: IPs never shifted

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: in fact, it was turned off for six weeks when I went away

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: IPs still stayed :)

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juski:

talk to my befsr41

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planktonboy:

bbl thanks for the help though chaps

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frink_:

5~right seems scandvb is on mythdora

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frink_:

4.0

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kslater:

stuarta: seems it's only NTFS or HFS at this time anyway. No interest in either of those..

[14:47:08]

stuarta:

well then it's shit.

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stuarta:

the rest of them do NFS

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frink_:

ntfs or hfs only?

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frink_:

how dumb

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frink_:

i would much rather stick some disks in a box and get a sata raid card

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juski:

yeah but seen the price of sata raid cards? I mean raid worth having?

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juski:

not the 10 a penny raid0/1 things

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frink_:

is it me or does mythdora suck alittle bit?

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stuarta:

juski: yeah, they are bloody expensive.

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frink_:

i mean its oright and ll

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juski:

frink_: I have extreme prejudices against any distro that attempts to 2nd guess everything

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jams:

hehe

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juski:

I can't fault them for trying to take that out of the user's hands

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jams:

frink_- any examples of what bugs you about it>

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juski:

jams: yours excluded. I like the way yours thinks though

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jams:

?

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niter3:

Where can I get a list of all the updated plugins? Unofficial and offical?

[14:56:46]

jams:

no offense taken, it's a valid point

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jams:

it's a tough line to walk

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juski:

niter3: why? mythstream & mythstreamtv are about the only unofficial plugins still kept up to date

[14:58:21]

juski:

days/weeks/months

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juski:

:)

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Beirdo:

hehe, true.

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stuarta:

juski: how many days without fags now?

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juski:

16

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Beirdo:

anniversary -2days....

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Beirdo:

stuarta, heh, hopefully the yanks understand you meant cigarettes :)

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stuarta:

hehe

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juski:

plus I've worked for 14 days nonstop

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stuarta:

so anniversary of being a bum for the last year?

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Beirdo:

juski, I'm proud of ya. kicking em ain't an easy task

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Beirdo:

yup ;)

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** juski sends Beirdo some paper **

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stuarta:

Beirdo: how's the puppy?

[15:00:06]

Beirdo:

thank ye :)

[15:00:12]

chuk:

how do you tell a certain channel to NOT use EIT data?

[15:00:17]

Beirdo:

cute and wearing a polo shirt currently :)

[15:00:27]

stuarta:

chuk: unselect use_eit!

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juski:

chuk: uncheck 'useonairguide' in the channel table

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chuk:

I meant through database

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stuarta:

why is the puppy wearing a polo shirt?

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Beirdo:

:)

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stuarta:

big now!

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jams:

it's pink

[15:01:21]

Beirdo:

she was scratching her armpits raw. This way we can medicate it without her licking it off, and keeps her from scratching

[15:01:43]

Beirdo:

yeah, she's getting quite large ;) over 40lbs

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quicksilver:

Beirdo: poor thing :(

[15:01:53]

stuarta:

ah, better than those lampshade things they wear for scratching behind the ears

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Beirdo:

yeah :)

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Beirdo:

looks less goofy too

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juski:

gonna weigh myself tonight actually – make sure I'm not replacing nicotine with calories

[15:02:12]

frink_:

jams: Well, the nova-t 500 tuning is broken, the video driver i have keeps reverting ot 8 bit colour, the remote control setup sucks with far too limited options.

[15:02:23]

Beirdo:

it is a toddler size 2T or something :)

[15:02:23]

juski:

frink_: sounds sucky

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frink_:

I wanna use a Hauppage remote with a rs232 lirc receiver

[15:02:39]

frink_:

so I think I'll ubunto

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juski:

lirc is a royal PITA on ubnut

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frink_:

great

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frink_:

any suggestions? :)

[15:03:09]

Beirdo:

lirc is a royal PITA, period

[15:03:18]

juski:

build lirc from source on ubunut

[15:03:29]

Beirdo:

definitely.

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jams:

thats good advice for just about all distros

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juski:

I found module-assistant just added to the pain

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frink_:

is lirs th eonly down sid on ubuntu?

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jams:

sid is debian

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Beirdo:

I don't understand that question, frink_

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** TSCHAKWerk builds mythtv+everything else from source, even on ubnut **

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TSCHAKWerk:

great, now you've got me saying that

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chuk:

where can I find a schema of mythconverg database?

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frink_:

Beirdo: not surprised you didnt understand it, neither did I!

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juski:

bugger

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frink_:

Is lirc the only PITA with ubuntu? I guess apt-get install mythtv just works for myth?

[15:10:21]

juski:

thought I was in screen

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frink_:

juski: heh

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Beirdo:

you let the cat walk on the keyboard?

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Beirdo:

heh

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frink_:

and then ubuntu kernels are a lot easier to upgrade then bloody fedora

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frink_:

s/cat/son

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juski:

you don't need to update kernels on ubunut just for lirc AFAIK

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frink_:

juski: Not for lirc, for the nova-t 500

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quicksilver:

lirc built with module-assistant for me

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juski:

get the kernel headers, kernel source, build-essntial.. then the lirc source.. badaing.. bosh!

[15:11:22]

quicksilver:

first time, no trouble

[15:11:36]

juski:

frink_: works outta the box on feisty allegedly

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quicksilver:

it chose what to download and did it all

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frink_:

juski: yeah it prob does, but does it stil have the usb disconect bug?

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juski:

frink_: no doubt

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** GreyFoxx pays homage to the vlc gods for allowhim him to get myth to record 8 channels from 1 dvb card at once **

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juski:

the vlc gods?

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juski:

since when did they have a hand in it?

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GreyFoxx:

cause I'm using vlc to stream to the myth iptv recorder

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehehe

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juski:

ahem. talk about a nifty workaround!

[15:16:16]

GreyFoxx:

vlc is reading frmo the card, breaking out the transport and sending out 8 iptv streams whcih I have myth set to reecord as seperate channels

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Beirdo:

now that's neat

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TSCHAKWerk:

GreyFoxx: ... _WOW_

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frink_:

GreyFoxx: vlc can do that?

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juuva:

GreyFoxx: how do you handle program data?

[15:16:47]

TSCHAKWerk:

yeah, I'm thinking about that

[15:16:49]

TSCHAKWerk:

and that makes sense

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GreyFoxx:

juuva: Right this minute I'm doing manually recording schedules, but it would be fairly simple to setup channels with the right xmltvid and populate myth mythfilldb

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's too bad I don't have a dvb card to do that with. :-/

[15:18:03]

juuva:

GreyFoxx: I've been waiting few days to get back to home to try similiar setup

[15:18:09]

GreyFoxx:

It's taking basically no cpu, only diskio to record

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GreyFoxx:

not even using network bandwidth since I'm do it all local to the machine

[15:19:02]

GreyFoxx:

I'll do up a guide this weekend and put it on the wiki

[15:19:08]

GreyFoxx:

It works amazingly well

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juuva:

just boot diskless dummy box from pxe to stream dvb and use myth or vlc in xen-box to record

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GreyFoxx:

I'm stoked this works

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GreyFoxx:

be nicer once myth has stable native support

[15:20:11]

GreyFoxx:

but until then.... this rocks

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TSCHAKWerk:

we can't do stuff like that in the US, can we?

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** directhex|work patches alsa **

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GreyFoxx:

but until then this seems to be a viable option

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GreyFoxx:

and it works for me... my cable co has 9 channels per ts, and my top 8 channels are on the same transport :)

[15:23:53]

GreyFoxx:

almost all of my reecording is on those 8 channels

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GreyFoxx:

my pvr cards can handle any other overflow

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jimbalaya:

is there a site that shows the status of the MythWeather plugin? (I haven't had it installed for a week or so, but the last time I checked the only thing that worked was the doppler)

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juski:

heh. majority of stuff I record is on one of 2 muxes

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juski:

I'm really looking fwd to multirec now if only for the use in overlapping recordings

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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juuva:

only two muxes here.. hauppauge dual tuner solves that :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

for me the biggest annoyance was that the VLC package that the videolan folks put out for my distro didn't have dvb support compiled in so I compiled my own

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juuva:

multicast on lan is propably my solution, takes out the load frombackend

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juuva:

+ can record and watch different channels with only one card

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fryfrog:

like, kind of sortof?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, that's basically what I'm doing with this, and what everyone with a dvb source will be able to do once the multirec branch matures

[15:32:45]

fryfrog:

you can record one "stream" and watch a previously recorded one

[15:33:00]

fryfrog:

but you can't "record" 2 shows at once (record one, watch another live)

[15:33:17]

fryfrog:

unless of course, you use your TV in standard tv usage mode, eh

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: you can with multirec dvb, though :)

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fryfrog:

oh, can you now?

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: You can with a dvb multirecording

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fryfrog:

or you mean when it goes in?

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quicksilver:

when it works

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quicksilver:

or, if you use GreyFoxx's vlc hack

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GreyFoxx:

multirec is in the works, and I'm using a vlc setup +myth's iptv recorder to do it

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GreyFoxx:

you can record as many transport as you have on that mux

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GreyFoxx:

which in my case is 9 per

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GreyFoxx:

but only 8 I'm interested and they are on a single one

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GreyFoxx:

For me it basically means less and less often that the analog channels will bre recorded and more often it will be from the digital source

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ille:

My best mux has our 10 best channels :)

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GreyFoxx:

Wonder how painful x264 encoding is

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directhex|work:

in realtime, or generally?

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juski:

GreyFoxx: quite

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: REaltime

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ille:

GreyFoxx: Got a link to your VLC hack?

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juski:

hmm maybe I should decide my weekend starts here

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GreyFoxx:

ille: It's all in my brain at the moment

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juski:

bah sod it. time to hit the road

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directhex|work:

good luck doing it realtime

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: My boss was wanted me to investigate realtime h264 encoding/iptv streams

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GreyFoxx:

I assume specialized hardware will be needed

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GreyFoxx:

ille: I'll try to write it up on the wiki this weekend

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ille:

GreyFoxx: nice :)

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, i mange about 2/3 realtime on an amd 3800+ when doing dvd rips to x264, for what it's worth

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen the h264 encoders you can bym, they look like 1u pc's, I'm assuming they have some sort of specialized hardware inside for the encoding. So also encode multiple streams per unit

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directhex|work:

yep. specialised. open 'em up, and see the quad-quad xeons ;)

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directhex|work:

(no i have no idea what's inside them)

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ille:

did a google, and found this one: http://www.streamtel.com/EN9152_HD%20SD%20H26 . . . AUZwodZDFZ2w

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GreyFoxx:

wonder if I know anyone who sells that stuff that might know

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GreyFoxx:

If anything he wants me to order a iptv stb that can do mpeg2 and h264

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GreyFoxx:

ille: Cool. I could use one of those :)

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ille:

no xenons inside, special FGPA's

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TSCHAKWerk:

nothing like a little VHDL to hack a problem. :-)

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directhex|work:

FPGAs are evil

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Beirdo:

bah

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Beirdo:

FPGAs are fun and kick butt

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directhex|work:

i was greatly amused that the FPGA High Performance Computing Alliance were handing out free stress balls at SC06

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directhex|work:

however, these were not just ordinary stress balls

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directhex|work:

they're ones that are a stupid shape, so you can't actually grip them properly to squeeze

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directhex|work:

trust the FPGA lot to hand out a freebie with double-layered irony

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sebrock:

theres been some talk on the list on the subject if x86 or 64-bit is the way to go. I'm thinking of making the backend 64-bit and the frontend 32. Mainly to have no hassle with codec etc. What do YOU think?

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quicksilver:

I run 32 bit userland on a 64bit machine

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sebrock:

userland?

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quicksilver:

there's no compelling advantage to suffer the pains of 64 bit userland incompatibility

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quicksilver:

all my programs are actually 32 bit programs

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fryfrog:

There is no reason to go with 64bit

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quicksilver:

I'm running linux-i386

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quicksilver:

not linux-x64

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fryfrog:

Save yourself the hastle and just run 32bit everwhere

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quicksilver:

I just happen to have a 64bit CPU

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gbee:

codecs are only a problem if you're using closed source ones, e.g. with mplayer or xine instead of the internal player

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gbee:

my laptop frontend is 64bit, as is the backend

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gbee:

as fryfrog says, there is no particular reason to go with 64bit – although 32bit software in my experience runs slower on 64bit CPUs than 64bit software

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fryfrog:

if you could do 64bit all around, i'd maybe do that

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fryfrog:

it just starts to be annoying when one is 32bit and the other is 64bit. as a gentoo example, one machine would have different versions of some little things and it just got annoying

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gbee:

people are now going to start the old 32bit vs 64bit argument insisting that on paper there is no speed difference ;)

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fryfrog:

it depends on what you mean

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fryfrog:

the 64bit cpus *are* faster, even in 32bit mode

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fryfrog:

but if you took the same cpu and did 32bit and 64bit... you'd not see much of a noticable difference

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fryfrog:

sure, maybe a few %

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sebrock:

how about the combination of 64bit backend and 32bit frontend

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gbee:

fryfrog: I tried exactly that when I first got a 64bit cpu, the speed difference was pretty noticable

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chuk:

anyone know why my live HD plays fine, but anything from "watch recordings" skips like crazy?

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sebrock:

64bit should transcode faster... maybe, but 32bit = no hassle with codec... thats how I see it

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gbee:

not a factor of 50% or even 25%, but enough that the applications started and reacted much quicker

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fryfrog:

gbee: did you do actual benchmarks? cause, honestly human "feeling" is not what i'd call accurate.

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gbee:

fryfrog: no benchmarks although I did time the startup of a couple of large apps with a stopwatch, and "feeling" may not hold in a scientific experiment but I wasn't imagining it ;)

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emes:

if i'm just setting up a backend, would it make more sense to use ubuntu server edition or just regular?

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a5benwillis:

emes: Good question.. Wouldnt mindknowing myself.

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fryfrog:

gbee: hehe

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fryfrog:

gbee: don't get me wrong, 64bit can offer some huge benefits especially for 64bit programs or people looking to use more than ... what, 4G of ram or... 16G or something?

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fryfrog:

but the small benefit is just maybe not worth the hastle of a mixed environment

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juski:

oh great. so much for my friday night. went to supermarket, bought steak, salad, pasta, lovely wine, thinking some v. quality time.. mrs rings up & says her friend has chucked her husband out so she's coming round tonight :- bastardo

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fryfrog:

Someday, when *all* my linux systems are 64bit, I'll switch over to everything 64bit :)

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fryfrog:

THREESOME!

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juski:

fryfrog: you haven't seen this friend of mrs Juski's

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fryfrog:

oh, she an uggo?

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juski:

she'd count as a -10

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fryfrog:

as JD on Scrubs would say :)

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fryfrog:

YIKES!

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juski:

so three -10 = -7

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fryfrog:

not even threesome with a paper bag :)

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juski:

not interested in a -seven-some

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juski:

a paper bag only hides looks, not scale

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juski:

jesus. NO

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a5benwillis:

lol

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juski:

she's got the looks & personality of winnie mandela

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juski:

aaanyway

[17:19:22]

** juski wonders what's on mythtv tonight **

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** kslater comes around just to be cheered up by the banter **

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juski:

lol. glad you feel buoyed by the misery I have to suffer

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kslater:

we all have to do that from time to time

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juski:

anyway that's the woman who had 2nd thoughts about getting married, the night before the wedding & decided to go ahead anyway cos she'd spent so much money

[17:22:04]

juski:

as stable foundations go for a marriage, that ain't one IMHO ;)

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xris:

anyone want to help me make my job posting more exciting? http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i3290/careers/php-developer.php

[17:28:21]

directhex:

xris, "Additional duties may involve surfing on alligators, or skydiving without a parachute"

[17:28:37]

xris:

haha

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xris:

failure will be punished by defenestration

[17:30:06]

directhex:

"A successful applicant must be able to demonstrate their ability to juggle with hypodermic needles filled with molten lava"

[17:30:13]

kslater:

too bad I don't know anyone with those skills in Bothell

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juski:

what about "The successful candidate must be able to install & configure a working MythTV in two hours without resorting to asking for help in IRC or reading documents" ?

[17:31:30]

xris:

kslater: "or seattle"? :)

[17:31:43]

xris:

I got kormoc from here, so mythtv is good for helping me find minions :)

[17:32:05]

juski:

take me. I don't care what I have to do just get me outta here

[17:32:08]

xris:

juski: most successful one so far has been able to do that.. except that no one can install gentoo in under 2 hours.

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juski:

rofl

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Dagmar:

Bah I could do that

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xris:

juski: too bad all of the H-1B visas for this year are taken.

[17:33:05]

juski:

oh wait you can install gentoo in under 2 hours. package CDs to the rescue!

[17:33:55]

Dagmar:

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of cloning the filesystem from a working machine

[17:34:36]

juski:

that'd be what I'd call cheating

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xris:

Dagmar: no idea why kormoc didn't do that with the box we used for linuxfest...

[17:34:44]

juski:

aka showing initiative

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juski:

mm this wine is yummy

[17:35:15]

directhex:

you can install a working system from a gentoo cd in a couple of hours, no problem

[17:35:23]

directhex:

it might involve "debootstrap" though ;)

[17:35:49]

juski:

folks tend to forget about the binary packages of gentoo – they get too looped up in the funroll aspect

[17:36:22]

directhex:

juski, you don't like fun roll loops?

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juski:

directhex: I used to have time for it, but since discovering a mostly binary distro is more fun without the looping & rolling...

[17:36:56]

xris:

and now to write the "php intern" and "software QA" descriptions.

[17:37:51]

TSCHAKWerk:

I can install gentoo in under two hours..

[17:37:53]

TSCHAKWerk:

the secret?

[17:38:13]

TSCHAKWerk:

tar xvjpsf /otherdisk/system.image.tar.bz2

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[17:38:50]

juski:

already covered

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** Dagmar unleashes his malign jumps to attack the funroll loops **

[17:39:15]

TSCHAKWerk:

-funroll-loops ... I STILL think that sounds like a psychotic roller coaster.

[17:39:29]

directhex:

i think it sounds like a tasty treat!

[17:39:38]

xris:

btw, anyone have opinions? http://forevermore.net/mythtv/mockups/

[17:40:22]

Dagmar:

Ooooo pretty!

[17:40:28]

TSCHAKWerk:

humm

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TSCHAKWerk:

are you guys accepting other layouts? I'll do one.

[17:40:52]

** TSCHAKWerk has access to ooodles of stock photos **

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Dagmar:

I like the jean philippe ones

[17:41:31]

juski:

the community get sidetracked too easily ;)

[17:41:36]

TSCHAKWerk:

nah, too dark.

[17:41:40]

TSCHAKWerk:

need something more professional.

[17:41:43]

xris:

TSCHAKWerk: yeah, still looking. discussion is on mythtv-dev mailing list

[17:41:44]

TSCHAKWerk:

i'll do one tonight.

[17:42:04]

juski:

no! more professional will anger the people who think mythtv isn't about pandering to the commercialised masses!

[17:42:13]

xris:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/263525

[17:42:21]

juski:

and other side-tracking issues :)

[17:42:32]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: :-P

[17:42:48]

xris:

TSCHAKWerk: Jean-Philippe's design is the favorite so far, as far as the actual layout/organization goes

[17:42:54]

TSCHAKWerk:

okay.

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directhex:

good lord NO to maryau1

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xris:

I'm shooting for something like http://newmyth.forevermore.net/ (although ignore the content since I haven't updated that bit)

[17:43:22]

directhex:

naked man is NOT a suitable replacement for mepo

[17:43:25]

xris:

we want to get away from "bloggish"

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TSCHAKWerk:

too....dark....

[17:43:33]

xris:

e.g. pidgin.im is good

[17:43:50]

xris:

TSCHAKWerk: dark isn't bad, but I'm not attached to it. was just playing with colors.

[17:43:52]

juski:

and apple.com ripoffs are out also

[17:44:18]

juski:

I don't understand what's meant by 'bloggish' anyway xris

[17:44:22]

xris:

anyway, the gossamer link shows the discussion.

[17:44:48]

xris:

juski: bloggish is "sean", not-bloggish is jean-philippe

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xris:

think of the old gaim website vs the new pidgin website

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geoffeg:

Anyone here using pcHDTV with cable?

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directhex:

jean-philippe's sublevel ones are good. i think it's important to have something on the front page that makes it blindingly obvious what myth is – and the tv-with-menu does that

[17:46:19]

geoffeg:

dtvscan never finds anything

[17:46:20]

TSCHAKWerk:

now that we have decent CSS support, why do we bother with keeping with the traditional top left menu top header content below design?

[17:46:24]

TSCHAKWerk:

there are other possible layouts.

[17:47:13]

kslater:

rather than the bare chested man you could put the topend of a proper mermaid. That'd drive up geek traffic

[17:47:14]

directhex:

mythdora is a prime example of "what the hell is it"ness

[17:48:12]

jams:

what the mythdora url has a tld of .tv what else do you need

[17:48:19]

directhex:

kslater, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mermaid_problem

[17:49:11]

directhex:

i think the illuminatus trilogy had a deeper impact on me than i had realised, despite not tripping on acid whilst reading it. as soon as i see a message from jams, i have an urge to shout "kick out the jams"

[17:50:51]

hads:

That just reminds me of Rage Against the Machine

[17:52:04]

juski:

time to cook dindins :D

[17:52:55]

hads:

heh, I just got home from the pub

[17:53:02]

Denidil:

when you have a master backend and a slave backend, is all storage done on the master, or does the slave store it's own recordings?

[17:53:06]

hads:

Timezones are amusing

[17:53:45]

hads:

Denidil: You have the freedom of choice.

[17:53:53]

Denidil:

hmm

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TSCHAKWerk:

wouldn't it suck if your house was on a timezone line, and your frontend was in the garage in one timezone, and the frontend would be in the living room in another? :-P

[17:54:25]

kslater:

GMT

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TSCHAKWerk:

i know, am just joking :-P

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directhex:

xris,

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directhex:

bah

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directhex:

xris, jean philippe's designs are best IMHO, but there's *something* missing. i'm not sure what. it's a gut feeling

[17:57:18]

Denidil:

anyone using a VIA K8M800 Micro ATX mobo?

[17:57:33]

** Denidil is making an HTPC frontend, and i'm going to slap my PVR-500 in it (to distribute the head producting hardware) **

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xris:

directhex: yup. needs to fix the logo stuff at the top, too...

[18:00:47]

directhex:

xris, not lozengey enough? i quite like his take on the logo, much as juski hates it

[18:00:57]

xris:

no rights on the artwork

[18:01:38]

TSCHAKWerk:

all of my stock photo library that I purchased is royalty-free.

[18:01:42]

hads:

The top banner background?

[18:03:04]

gbee:

I know some hate the background artwork, but I think something similar (with rights) would look good

[18:04:10]

xris:

hads: yeah.

[18:04:16]

directhex:

oh. oops

[18:04:17]

gbee:

the current artwork reminds me of the first 3 minutes of the film Contact

[18:04:32]

hads:

I'm undecided (not that it has anything to do with me) maybe if it was a lot more faint. Of course it needs to be usably licensed though.

[18:04:39]

xris:

gbee: yeah. Isaac isn't so fond of it (likes the sproingy aka egg separator), but it does make things look a little more professional.

[18:05:11]

hads:

For some reason it reminds me of a badly composed photo with things growing out of people's heads :)

[18:05:46]

gbee:

which as an advert for mythtv is rather appropriate – the idea of thousands of different TV/Radio/data signals being broadcast around the world now being recorded by thousands of mythtv boxes etc

[18:08:29]

directhex:

i think i know what it is. something's bugging me about the menu layout in the mockup

[18:09:13]

** TSCHAKWerk had someone ask him why mythtv doesn't have the thumbs-up, thumbs-down buttons **

[18:09:22]

directhex:

three seemingly disconnected menus in random places. i don't see any clear pattern for what is a submenu of what, or why they exist

[18:09:38]

directhex:

TSCHAKWerk, because it doesn't record gay porn for you automatically in the event you might like it?

[18:09:43]

gbee:

TSCHAKWerk: because it ain't a tivo?

[18:09:49]

** TSCHAKWerk considered briefly to give said person a mushroom print, but alas, it is my boss, so no. **

[18:09:53]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[18:12:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

i need another hard drive

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TSCHAKWerk:

****siiigghhh****

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juski:

jees. I should've had that steak a few days ago to remind me why I gave up fags

[18:30:14]

juski:

when the tastebuds come back online.. oh boy!

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: so you could have said to your boss.. the reason mythtv doesn't have thumbs up & thumbs down buttons is that a) it doesn't like being sued and b) it doesn't SPY on its users

[18:31:34]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: :-)

[18:31:51]

juski:

besides, not everybody likes to have thumbs up em

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juski:

oh dear. mythtv screwded up recording Emmerdale again

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juski:

reckon I'll buy an aerial amp tomorrow & ditch the loft feed

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juski:

aand the she-devil has arrived, yay for that

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juski:

heheh I'm not alone! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/iptv_juniper_survey/

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stuarta:

what i miss? not much?

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juski:

bastard theme creator from hell :)

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** stuarta is BOFH **

[18:51:31]

juski:

you missed a cracking steak about 20 mins ago, and a she-devil arriving to dump her heart on my wife about how she chucked out her hubby for 'emptying the family bank account'

[18:51:48]

stuarta:

ooo, how entertaining.

[18:51:58]

juski:

and here I was thinking quitting smoking was a pita

[18:52:33]

stuarta:

at least you can now project you pain onto someone else

[18:52:43]

juski:

steak was erm.. trying to think in terms that aren't fetishistic.. such is the impact on my newly found tastebuds

[18:53:18]

stuarta:

tasty?

[18:53:30]

juski:

yeah but still an understatement

[18:53:40]

juski:

my mouth has been dead for more than 10 years

[18:54:20]

juski:

sod the widescreen monitor – just being able to taste food like that is worth the pain up to now

[18:54:44]

juski:

apologies to you lot having to see the tertiary effects though

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** stuarta chuckles **

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juski:

yeah at least the channel's logged & I can be held to account whenever you fscking like

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Denidil:

anyone have an nmedia HTPC case w/ the VFD?

[18:58:04]

** juski wonders what on Earth that has to do with mythtv specifically **

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** stuarta has set aside tonight for spending time with Mr Jack D. **

[18:58:38]

Denidil:

mythtv+lcdproc+nmedia HTPC cases VFD

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Denidil:

seing if anyone has it running

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juski:

Enojackdaniels

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juski:

Denidil: nmedia cases get a mention in the official wikiwikiwikiwah

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** stuarta Jack's Juski 8-| **

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stuarta:

i can't be dealing with foreign language films w/ subtitles tonight.

[19:00:55]

juski:

hey I know what I should do

[19:00:57]

stuarta:

i need total mind numbing film....

[19:01:10]

juski:

I should get on a drinks website & get me a nice bottle of Gentleman Jack

[19:01:16]

juski:

that'd cure the Enojackdaniels

[19:01:32]

stuarta:

so i'm attempting to watch poison ivy 2

[19:01:52]

juski:

lol

[19:01:56]

stuarta:

juski: in these enlightened times you can ring them up and they bring it :)

[19:02:08]

juski:

stuarta: not in manchester

[19:02:27]

juski:

delivery bods get killed for pizzas & cigs let alone JD

[19:02:48]

stuarta:

ah...

[19:03:48]

juski:

yeah in some civilised parts of the UK there are franchises of scooter taxi firms where you can drive into town, decide to have a bit of a lash, ring the scooter & he comes & drives you home in your car

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stuarta:

only central london does that, does get to south london :(

[19:05:47]

stuarta:

however we do have "Thirst Busters"

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stuarta:

booze delivery up till about 4am

[19:06:03]

juski:

wow

[19:06:11]

juski:

be still my quivering liver!

[19:06:13]

juski:

http://www.thedrinkshop.com/products/nlpdetail.php?prodid=1774

[19:06:22]

stuarta:

basically an off license that delivers :)

[19:06:43]

juski:

they have them in Newcassel like

[19:06:58]

juski:

get yer booze & terbs at like million uh clock like

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stuarta:

caipirinha is one of the few drinks that doesn't agree with me

[19:07:41]

juski:

has a rather amazing effect on me

[19:08:09]

stuarta:

you know the drinks that you take one sip of and they make you feel ill?

[19:08:15]

juski:

just hearing about the Cannes festival on the news has had me after one

[19:08:18]

stuarta:

that's what it does to me.

[19:08:19]

juski:

yeah

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juski:

ouchy

[19:08:51]

juski:

this time almost 8 years ago I was sitting down enjoying Cannes at film festival time

[19:09:18]

stuarta:

this movie *requires* timestretch...

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stuarta:

mmmm absinthe

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juski:

emmerdale requires investigation tomorrow. looked like $ly+ in a blizzard

[19:10:27]

stuarta:

i don't believe you

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juski:

must be those bloody spiders moving the aerial around in the attic again

[19:11:08]

stuarta:

heh.....

[19:11:14]

juski:

everything on the ITV mux is shot to hell – very bursty UNC

[19:11:36]

juski:

E4, C4, ITV.. all shite

[19:11:47]

XLV:

anyone here using some dvb-s or dvb-t cards? i understand that at least skystar 2 records at least in windows mpeg2, the stream is already mpeg2, no encoding needed, so it should be easy on cpu. is it the same in linux+mythtv? also about dvb-t cards? is there a standard codec there also, or it depends on each card?

[19:11:47]

stuarta:

that's not really the signal

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stuarta:

erm, short version yes

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juski:

stuarta: lol

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juski:

XLV: and FYI there is no such thing as 'windows mpeg2'

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XLV:

juski, no i meant that in windows, it records in mpeg2

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stuarta:

juski: that said ch4 is my 3rd most recorded channel & E4+1 the 4th

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XLV:

but it seems its independant

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juski:

all DVB tuners do is pluck the signal out of the air & drags it over the PCI bus onto your HDD

[19:13:59]

juski:

XLV: I could record 3 shows at the same time on my 800mhz athlon & see under 5% CPU usage :)

[19:14:20]

stuarta:

i get 0.6% with 2 shows recording.

[19:15:01]

juski:

yeah when I say under 5% I mean that top is figuring in the 5% it's trying to measure

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stuarta:

EDRINKEMPTY

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juski:

I wanna have that steak again man

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juski:

droooool!

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juski:

jeees. maplin sell an 8 output aerial amp for under 30 squids

[19:16:12]

a5benwillis:

anyoneknow of a cheaper usb tuner for HD than hd homerun?

[19:16:34]

juski:

pitty you have to deal with the spotty ignorant shop droids

[19:16:41]

juski:

a5benwillis: plenty

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juski:

shame they're USB & therefore prolly very sucky

[19:17:27]

juski:

anyway I thought HDhomerun's big selling point is that it's a networkable tuner

[19:17:59]

a5benwillis:

yeah, I want to control it directly via usb if possible without irblaster etc.

[19:18:13]

juski:

but.. USB sucks big style

[19:18:36]

a5benwillis:

Im oput of pci slots in this matx board....

[19:18:36]

stuarta:

juski: i recommend searching for argentinian restaurants with your newfound taste for steak

[19:18:53]

a5benwillis:

oput=out

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juski:

I have this thing right.. I want my tuners to be available all the time no matter what, so that kinda rules out USB for my setups

[19:19:04]

juski:

a5benwillis: Ewrongmotherboard!

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juski:

;)

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juski:

stuarta: neat :) good idea.

[19:19:19]

a5benwillis:

cant find more than three in matx....

[19:19:22]

jams:

the hdhomerun doesn't require a blaster

[19:19:22]

a5benwillis:

mAtx

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juski:

stuarta: there's ONE in manchester. and I've already been disappointed there

[19:20:19]

gbee:

hmm, anyone know of a USB IR blaster which has working drivers in linux? Or some other option for a machine which already has the serial and lpt ports occupied?

[19:20:40]

juski:

gbee: at least one is linked to from the wiki

[19:21:13]

gbee:

wiki? you mean I have to do the legwork myself? pfft!

[19:21:22]

** juski laughs uproariously **

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geoffeg:

Anyone here use Charter cable?

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a5benwillis:

geoffeg: wish I could

[19:22:05]

geoffeg:

a5benwillis: ?

[19:22:13]

a5benwillis:

n/m

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a5benwillis:

I have charter cable..... just using their internet right now though as the tv stinks and is to expensive/

[19:23:00]

geoffeg:

I'm guessing it's normal that there are very few unencrypted QAM channels on their service.. as in.. less than 10?

[19:23:11]

a5benwillis:

thats abt it

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geoffeg:

I thought there would be a few more.

[19:23:19]

a5benwillis:

their moving to all STB's

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a5benwillis:

all digital

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geoffeg:

STB?

[19:23:29]

a5benwillis:

set top boxes

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juski:

set top box

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thoraxe:

set top box

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geoffeg:

oh, set top box

[19:23:43]

thoraxe:

it'd be nice if they moved to cablecard

[19:23:47]

thoraxe:

but that doesn't help us htpc'ers

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gbee:

juski: I've actually looked at the wiki and the one linked there seems overkill imho, not to mention it's sold in the US at $150

[19:23:57]

geoffeg:

i guess i'll have to build an IR blaster

[19:24:04]

thoraxe:

anyone have the HD5000 card?

[19:24:12]

geoffeg:

thoraxe: i have the 5500

[19:24:13]

thoraxe:

does it do analog cable + OTA HDTV?

[19:24:25]

juski:

a5benwillis: just get a SBE

[19:24:31]

thoraxe:

cuz i have comcast and they still broadcast about 77 channels in analog cable

[19:24:38]

geoffeg:

thoraxe: yeeaaa, i'm workin on that. I think I got NTSC workin

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thoraxe:

geoffeg: where do you live?

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** juski needs some musak **

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geoffeg:

thoraxe: right, i have the good ole analog cable NTSC stuff workin

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geoffeg:

thoraxe: St Louis, MO, USA

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stuarta:

gbee: some of the MCE remotes come with a USB IR Blaster

[19:25:36]

juski:

"and the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply" :D

[19:26:12]

geoffeg:

mythtv can switch input's (NTSC vs QAM) on a single card for recording on different inputs, right?

[19:27:13]

stuarta:

depends on the card. quite a few of the cards aren't great at switching between modes

[19:27:30]

geoffeg:

the pcHDTV card?

[19:27:37]

juski:

as a broad general statement I'd go as far as saying "hybrid cards are teh suck"

[19:27:57]

geoffeg:

juski: hybrid meaning hdtv and regular ole NTSC?

[19:28:02]

stuarta:

and the drivers aren't much better

[19:28:04]

juski:

geoffeg: yep.

[19:28:17]

juski:

use one or the other. don't ping-pong between em

[19:28:27]

juski:

anyway if you have HD on tap why'd you want SD?

[19:28:40]

geoffeg:

i'm sorta surprised that i payed $130 for a card that seems to have nearly no real documentation and the provided software oesn't work

[19:28:55]

geoffeg:

juski: because only a few channels are available on HD?

[19:28:57]

juski:

I'm finding myself just deleting analogue recordings from my cable box over dvb-t direct digital recordings

[19:29:31]

thoraxe:

geoffeg: so you've got analog cable coming into the 5500 and now you're trying to get HD too?

[19:29:36]

juski:

geoffeg: quality over quantity though? A phenomenon seemingly lost on today's audience?

[19:29:41]

stuarta:

geoffeg: suggest having a chat in #linuxtv and finding out if the driver/card can cope switching between standards

[19:30:22]

thoraxe:

stuarta: the reason is that you can only get a couple of crappy broadcast public tv channels on HD here

[19:30:32]

thoraxe:

stuarta: so if you want to watch mythbusters you'd need to switch back to an alog

[19:30:43]

juski:

gone off mythbusters

[19:31:11]

stuarta:

yeah, got bored when they couldn't blow up a toilet with farts & a cigarette

[19:31:15]

thoraxe:

plus you can't output a clear HD signal from a cable box into a capture card... there are no HD composite capture cards yet afaik

[19:31:18]

Daviey:

i got annoyed at there lack of scientific tests – and their definitive 'proof'

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juski:

thoraxe: there is no such thing as 'HD composite'

[19:32:00]

juski:

think of all the poor buggers who struggle to encode SDTV in software at 480x480 ... ROFLMAO!

[19:32:15]

juski:

bring 1920x1080i into the mix.. and

[19:32:24]

juski:

just put them down

[19:32:24]

thoraxe:

juski: i just meant a capture card that will capture HD via a composite or HDMI cable

[19:32:38]

juski:

thoraxe: I know. and it's never gonna happen BELIEVE ME

[19:32:40]

thoraxe:

juski: since I don't think S-Video or regular RCA supports more than 500 lines anyway

[19:33:12]

Dagmar:

no

[19:33:16]

thoraxe:

juski: then the HD capture cards are probably going to disappear or someone is going to have to build a box to convert composite/hdmi to ATSC haha

[19:33:29]

Dagmar:

Neither RCA cables nor s-video cables give a crap what you send through them

[19:33:31]

juski:

thoraxe: that's basically the size of it

[19:33:43]

thoraxe:

Dagmar: ORLY?

[19:33:47]

Dagmar:

So this "doesn't support more than 500 lines" thing is nonsense

[19:33:58]

Dagmar:

thoraxe: YSRLY

[19:34:06]

thoraxe:

nowai! heh

[19:34:09]

juski:

thoraxe: thing about the restriction on the ' of lines is more about the video standard, not the makeup of the cable

[19:34:17]

thoraxe:

Dagmar: so you could send a 1080i signal over SVideo?

[19:34:20]

Dagmar:

Listen to the juski

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Dagmar:

thoraxe: *I* could

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** juski saves that in the quoth archive **

[19:34:47]

thoraxe:

hm

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[19:35:05]

thoraxe:

are there any STBs that spit out HD over S-Video?

[19:35:07]

** gbee gives up on the IR blaster for now **

[19:35:27]

juski:

thoraxe: they'd all output HD downscaled to NTSC which would rather SUCK ass, then some

[19:35:28]

Dagmar:

Copper does not know from scan lines.

[19:35:49]

thoraxe:

well i'm trying to figure out how you're going to hd capture off a set top box

[19:35:51]

directhex:

the copper pixies do

[19:35:59]

directhex:

they sit on the wires, monitoring what goes past

[19:36:04]

geoffeg:

thoraxe: still need answers from me?

[19:36:08]

directhex:

any electrons they don't like, and BAM! they feast

[19:36:13]

juski:

thing is in the conexant cx23416 datasheet they reckon it'd grab 720p & turn it to mpeg2

[19:36:16]

thoraxe:

directhex is that why japanese porn has mosaic over the hoo hoos?

[19:36:24]

directhex:

every wondered why monster cables cost so much? more monsters!

[19:36:34]

juski:

just a fsking shame hauppauge didn't give their cards component or RGB inputs

[19:36:50]

thoraxe:

juski: isn't there a hauppauge card with component input?

[19:36:55]

juski:

thoraxe: NO

[19:36:55]

thoraxe:

or is the mce just RCA

[19:37:02]

directhex:

component input is a myth invented by hippies

[19:37:05]

juski:

RCA or composite to them & you

[19:37:22]

juski:

RCA is just the name of a company

[19:37:26]

juski:

dontcha know

[19:38:20]

thoraxe:

yes i do know

[19:38:54]

juski:

we call it 'phono' over here

[19:38:55]

thoraxe:

and i can't remember what the "real" name is atm

[19:39:00]

juski:

lord knows why

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a5benwillis:

so compnent is BAD!!! Eck!!

[19:39:12]

thoraxe:

and "composite" is the 5-plug cable

[19:39:16]

thoraxe:

or component sorry

[19:39:27]

juski:

when 'phono' is really an abbrev. for 'phonograph' meaning 'record player'

[19:39:37]

a5benwillis:

maybe its time to use my DVI connector and convert to HDMI

[19:39:37]

thoraxe:

yeah i know it's a giant mess of misnomer

[19:39:39]

Dagmar:

Component is not bad. Component is _expensive_

[19:39:40]

juski:

component is 3 plugs

[19:39:48]

juski:

not 5 plugs

[19:40:05]

thoraxe:

3 vid + 2 aud, sorry

[19:40:06]

a5benwillis:

RGB is component.... I assume that DVI would be better...

[19:40:18]

juski:

DVI is just serial digital data

[19:40:20]

juski:

like HDMI

[19:40:27]

juski:

HDMI is DVI but with digital audio too

[19:40:48]

Dagmar:

While everyone's being higly pedantic about cables... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Highly_Technical_Details

[19:41:02]

a5benwillis:

so, how do you get the audio ifusinga DVI>HDMI converter to the tv?

[19:41:04]

Dagmar:

Pitchers and discripshuns of connecturs

[19:41:10]

** juski isn't just being pedantic. he's being anal too **

[19:41:18]

juski:

a5benwillis: you don't

[19:41:31]

juski:

unless the tv can accept the audio from a separate connection

[19:41:47]

thoraxe:

ok so let's start at the top

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directhex:

some graphics cards with native hdmi out have audio loopback in

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juski:

or you stump up the $300 or so for a fancy "DVI + SPDIF > HDMI adapter"

[19:42:09]

thoraxe:

are there any capture cards that will capture HD video from hdmi, dvi, vga, component, or svideo

[19:42:13]

juski:

thoraxe: NO

[19:42:24]

juski:

next question

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a5benwillis:

juski: Mine can :)

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thoraxe:

ok, that's what i thought

[19:42:35]

thoraxe:

a5benwillis: yours can what

[19:42:42]

a5benwillis:

get audiofrom another source

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a5benwillis:

connection

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thoraxe:

so the next question — are there any converters that will convert some type of HD signal to ATSC for use with something like the HD5000

[19:43:08]

stuarta:

this sounds like a mine is bigger than yours thing...

[19:43:12]

juski:

and YES I know there's a mythical thing that can save MJPEG images from HD-DV or whatever but without linux drivers & HDCP compliance AND the user having terabytes of storage it AIN'T what you'd call realistic

[19:43:24]

directhex:

a small transmitter station, a few megawatts of power

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directhex:

few hundred thou of equipment

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juski:

thoraxe: ahahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhh

[19:43:54]

juski:

it's a leetle beet compleeecaterered to modulate ATSC

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directhex:

HD on computers will cause the downfall of the universe. hence why you're not allowed to do it

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Dagmar:

Oh wow is it ever

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juski:

put it this way we're not gonna see pirate TV stations now it's all gorn diggy-cal

[19:44:37]

Dagmar:

juski: Unless i get real drunk

[19:44:56]

thoraxe:

so basically the only way you're going to get to record HDTV is with an HD Tivo

[19:45:03]

thoraxe:

or an HD DVR from your cable company

[19:45:13]

juski:

thoraxe: that's the current state of play, yes

[19:45:14]

a5benwillis:

juski: Whats that mean?

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stuarta:

nah, pirate radio on analog. it's the way forward!

[19:45:20]

thoraxe:

that's what i figured

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juski:

thoraxe: that could change. the eff is lobbying the FCC or somefink

[19:45:53]

juski:

a5benwillis: what's what mean?

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thoraxe:

eff?

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a5benwillis:

juski: "all gorn diggy-cal"

[19:46:06]

juski:

gorn == gone

[19:46:14]

juski:

diggy-cal == prole speak for 'digital'

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juski:

english coloquialisms

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stuarta:

methinks juski is speaking northern today...

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a5benwillis:

so you cant get digital HD? Hmm..

[19:46:55]

juski:

it's hilarious whenever I hear people say 'didgeycal;

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Dagmar:

It basiclaly means you're not getting HD until the media provider conglomerates think they have a fair shot at charging you per viewing, per eyeball

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a5benwillis:

OTA or SAT?

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directhex:

a5benwillis, woo, The God Channel on HD

[19:47:37]

Dagmar:

Their idea of "consumer choice" basically amounts to "consumers can choose to give our monopoly money, or they can choose to sit in the dark"

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juski:

a5benwillis: it means that what you get for free with OTA is about all you can get, unless you're in the lucky minority who get unencrippled HD over firewire from their cable STB

[19:47:55]

a5benwillis:

Or SAT :)

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thoraxe:

i.e. not in america

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juski:

El Bebe Masoquista.. bassline++++++

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juski:

hey stuarta & gbee – we gonna get to see yous dancing @ LRL ?

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stuarta:

juski: hehehe. depends on the JD consumed ;-)

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juski:

not that they've announced any kind of 'disco' for this year like

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** gbee does not dance **

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** stuarta wonders if they have podiums.. **

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juski:

ROFL

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juski:

tables?

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gbee:

lol

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juski:

remind me to bring my red thong

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stuarta:

only at beerfest do i dance on tables

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juski:

suddenly strikes me that all I was suffering from earlier in the week was alcohol deficiency & sense of humour failure

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stuarta:

it happens. normally monday – thursday

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juski:

I didn't think going without a weekend last weekend would have such a grave effect

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stuarta:

booze & ciggies in the same week?

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juski:

like I'd ever give up booze. jesus. I'm a bit micey but not mental ffs

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stuarta:

what i meant was a week with no booze, while trying to give up ciggies???

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juski:

haha no

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juski:

just never drink during the week as a rule

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stuarta:

that would be truely silly

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juski:

I drank a fair bit when I'd just jacked in the nicotine

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juski:

figured I'd not really want to replace nicotine with alcoholism

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juski:

like "oh yeah since I stopped smoking 20 a day & switched to a litre of vodka a night I've been fine"

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directhex:

well there's your problem!

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directhex:

try sipping rum ;)

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stuarta:

that sounds like an episode of trisha

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juski:

"hi there. meet my wife & sister"

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stuarta:

that's one person

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juski:

.. camera zooms out & reveals guy with an arm around one chavvy lookign woman

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thoraxe:

i wonder if you could use an HD VCR or DVD recorder and pump the firewire to the pc to record hdtv hahahahaha

[19:56:49]

thoraxe:

ok enough, it's tiem to go home

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thoraxe:

have a happy weekend

[19:56:57]

juski:

oh I will :D

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stuarta:

we already are :)

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** directhex is sober and hasn't had dindind :( **

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directhex:

dindins

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** juski lobs steaks at directhex **

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directhex:

international vegetarianism is spreading!

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** stuarta lobs a prawn for effect **

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directhex:

off to get some exercise in a sec

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juski:

blashpemer!

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** directhex recommends mutton as a tasty meat for the whole family **

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stuarta:

you should know better!!!

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juski:

mutton? dressed as lamb? try Ritz in manchester any weeknight

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stuarta:

slow cooked mutton is however tasty :0

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directhex:

sainsburys do mutton mince for a quid a pack, it's infinitely tastier than other minces

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directhex:

good for meatballs & burgers!

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stuarta:

i'll keep an eye out for it

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directhex:

(turkey mince is terrible for both for texture reasons, as well as being a bit bland)

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stuarta:

EDRINKEMPTY

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juski:

isn't mutton just like the old sheeps they can't sell cos they're too old though ?

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stuarta:

however turkey breasts are better than the std crap chicken

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directhex:

juski, pretty much.

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juski:

mmm breasts

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directhex:

stuarta, turkey's a great meat, but mutton mince is a quid!

[20:00:16]

stuarta:

juski: yep, but the longer you cook meat the softer it gets.

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directhex:

juski, mutton's got an infinitely stronger flavour than lamb. it's like lamb on crack!

[20:00:30]

** juski doesn't have much time **

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Dagmar:

Very nsfw but if any of you are in Belgium: http://www.nee-antwerpen.be/index-eng.htm

[20:00:36]

Dagmar:

This is just too funny

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juski:

quick frazzle on the stove & done :)

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stuarta:

directhex: only reason i suggest turkey is it's quite a bit cheaper & tastier than chicken

[20:01:16]

** stuarta bookmarks that. **

[20:01:25]

juski:

"Note: those who are married or shy can also choose to receive their blowjob in Second Life"

[20:01:28]

Dagmar:

Yes, if your'e at work, email the URL to yourself.

[20:01:30]

juski:

rofl

[20:01:31]

Dagmar:

It's funny

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directhex:

right, off to teh pool of swimmings

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juski:

more wine.. then mythtv, then maybe some $howsyourfather cos the shedevil has gone away now :)

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geoffeg:

This one time, I lost my terminal in an airport.. Very sad,

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stuarta:

this one time, at band camp...

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Dagmar:

This one time, at Guantanamo...

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gbee:

oh you were at Guantanamo too? Did we have the same interrogator? Big guy, liked sending electric shocks through your testicles?

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Dagmar:

Oh.

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Dagmar:

I never really thought of myself as "big", per se

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stuarta:

i've got the bright orange shirt.

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black_Nightmare:

hey

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directhex:

i suck. 6 lengths :(

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directhex:

not AFAIK

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directhex:

thank god

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black_Nightmare:

hm..guess no ati then

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black_Nightmare:

directhex..ever heard of anyone using the nvidia NVTV or no? I've never quite found any reviews for that one somehow

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black_Nightmare:

(might just go with hauppauge but we'll see)

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black_Nightmare:

directhex just curious but what do you use if you have any tuner cards?

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Dagmar:

black_Nightmare: What is it you want to know about nvtv?

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XLV:

black_Nightmare, http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2393

[21:45:43]

black_Nightmare:

dagmar..mainly just looking again now so far

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XLV:

black_Nightmare, yeah, i am thinking of building a mythv htpc

[21:47:01]

black_Nightmare:

xlv..oh..ic...ty :-S

[21:47:08]

black_Nightmare:

guess its just hauppauge and kworld then

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directhex:

black_Nightmare, a wintv nova-t and a technotrend tvb-t card w/ cam

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Dagmar:

black_Nightmare: Well, as far as I Know there's no drivers for the nvtv tuner

[21:47:45]

black_Nightmare:

nova-t?

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black_Nightmare:

umm this is canada btw so we probably have different brands

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directhex:

black_Nightmare, bog standard dvb-t card

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Dagmar:

black_Nightmare: If you're going to get a hardware accellerated tuner for SD broadcast, you should probably stick with a plain Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500 (dual tuner)

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directhex:

black_Nightmare, it might help if you stopped asking random questions about unsupported cards, and perhaps said what you want to be able to record – i.e. how tv comes from the great studios in the sky into your house

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juski:

I used to have this wicked orange shirt. wore it a few times on nights out in cardiff. people wanted it

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juski:

and the shirt!

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juski:

tell ya what tho that Derren Brown likes to feck with peeps

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directhex:

juski, how many have you had this evening?

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juski:

Trick or Treat tonight.. some lass.. had her thinking she had this out of body experience & saw herself being carted off from a road accident, dead like

[21:54:02]

juski:

directhex: just a bottle of wine or so

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juski:

is that enough?

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stuarta:

i've made a significant dent in the JD bottle

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juski:

started watching peep show, but feeling too drunk to fully appreciate it. plus thefact I'd been watching 'live yuv'

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directhex:

i just had 1 glass of wine :(

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juski:

Enotenoughwinedrunk!!!!

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juski:

keep forgetting that derren brown thingis on

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** stuarta lobs booze at directhex **

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juski:

recorded one the other week – he got a guy into a fake photo booth – sent him into a trance then shipped the guy & photo booth to marrakech in morocco – BIG head feck

[21:58:19]

juski:

fell asleep in london, awoke in morocco.. ace trick

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juski:

but er.. making some bird think she was killed in a car accident & looking on above it all.. jesus

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stuarta:

that's just cruel

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juski:

she signed up for him to do anything he bleddy well liked, and footage shot on a camera hidden in her car revealed she liked to drive 'hands free' so I reckon she was fair game :D

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black_Nightmare:

hm...not sure I'm understanding whats with the 150,250, and 350's being priced almost the same...hrm..might get the 350 anyway

[22:02:52]

juski:

they got her into some kind of spa thing so they could take a cast of her face for the lookey-likey standin

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Dagmar:

black_Nightmare: Again, to basically echo an earlier statement, TELL US WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING TO DO

[22:03:25]

juski:

was funnier than Tarrant on HIGNFY anyway

[22:03:38]

Dagmar:

black_Nightmare: EVen mentioning the 250 tells us you're doing a half-assed job of researching

[22:04:02]

Dagmar:

black_Nightmare: And the 350 is generally going to be the wrong choice for all but a few people

[22:04:14]

Dagmar:

SO quit guessing and actually ask a bloody question of the people who are using this stuff every day

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black_Nightmare:

well then whats with the alike specs (aside to video-out encoding) and same prices?

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directhex:

black_Nightmare, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO?

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juski:

I wouldn't say I use my pvr150 every day

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Dagmar:

black_Nightmare: Did you look at the wiki?

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juski:

I might even stop using it altogether

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Dagmar:

Dont' ask us to explain everything about every freaking piece of hardware

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black_Nightmare:

directhex...tv..what else?

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Dagmar:

Say what it is you're trying to do and we can easily recommend what will work best

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directhex:

black_Nightmare, how to the magic pixie goblins show it on your picture box?

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stuarta:

especially not on a Friday

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juski:

are we the black_Nightmares who say "NGI!" ?

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stuarta:

NiH!

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** juski demands a shrubbery **

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juski:

well that brought everything to a neat halt

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juski:

does nobody have a shrubbery?

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Beirdo:

too bad we cut down the rather large ficus that was our hedge... you coulda had that!

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directhex:

vote ficus!

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juski:

hehehehe

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juski:

damn shedevil has come back

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directhex:

urg

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stuarta:

haha! more entertainment

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directhex:

i hate the bloody moonpig with relationship issues. i think every relationship has a pet one

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juski:

there are issues then there are _issues_

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hads:

ni

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juski:

hey not bad. bottle of red wine & I don't reaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhly want a cig

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juski:

now if I can do this in a pub chock full of people smoking I'm sorted

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juski:

is that...

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juski:

hmm not yet

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juski:

wooyeah... shedevil is going again

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juski:

:D

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juski:

time for bed!

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BisseBerra:

hi all

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BisseBerra:

Trying to compile mytharchive from svn but i am running in to problems, looks like the compiler cant find 4 files libmythavutil-0.20.so.0, libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0, libmythavformat-0.20.so.0.

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BisseBerra:

err 3 files

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BisseBerra:

.

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BisseBerra:

was missing LDPATH to myth libs

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BisseBerra:

why does myth configure select -march=k8 on a Intel Core 2 Duo? according to Safe_Cflags it should use prescott or nocona depending on 32/64 bit.

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gwreddragon:

Okay, so I just updated mythtv and now I can see and play old recordings but upcoming recordings is blank and if I try to add a recording it doesn't appear...oh and the recordings appear to still be in the database. Anyone know what happened?

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shaggyoaf:

Hi, all. I'm thinking of ditching the tivo for mythtv but I can't seem to find out if MythTV can keep itself up to date on broadcast schedule information and make sure to grab shows even if lineups change

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shaggyoaf:

does anybody know if it does that?

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gwreddragon:

yes, it does

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shaggyoaf:

gwreddragon: where does it get that data?

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gwreddragon:

a service called datadirect

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** shaggyoaf looks it up **

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shaggyoaf:

gwreddragon: thanks :)

[23:39:34]

gwreddragon:

=)

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hads:

Well that depeds where you are.

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hads:

s/depeds/depends/

[23:39:44]

gwreddragon:

ah, that's true

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gwreddragon:

datadirect is US

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** shaggyoaf nods **

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gwreddragon:

it's free, you just need to go to their webpage and click renew every 3 months

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atrus:

you have to register for an account, and fill in a little survey every 3 months or so

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atrus:

very very short and painless.

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shaggyoaf:

cool

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shaggyoaf:

can you pay for it if you don't want to fill out surveys?

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gwreddragon:

I'm not sure

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atrus:

i dunno. i wouldn't bother personally. it's literally like 4–5 questions. "how much tv/week? do any on-demand? what os do you use?"

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shaggyoaf:

huh, cool :)

[23:42:50]

shaggyoaf:

one more question:

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** gwreddragon goes back to trying to fix his myth install **

[23:44:20]

gwreddragon:

it's pretty easy, but sometimes things can go wrong

[23:44:27]

gwreddragon:

search google for mythtv howto

[23:44:48]

gwreddragon:

the fedora mythtv howto is very detailed

[23:45:17]

shaggyoaf:

yeah, I've found what look to be some good tutorials

[23:45:55]

shaggyoaf:

but there are a lot of variables (different cards, machine speeds, memory etc.)

[23:46:14]

shaggyoaf:

it looks like those might be hard to navigate

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gwreddragon:

if you don't have a card yet, buy a PVR-250/350/500

[23:48:04]

shaggyoaf:

lol, that was going to be my next question

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hads:

150

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shaggyoaf:

the tutorials all have lists of cards that work, does anybody else have a favorite?

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gwreddragon:

I have a PVR-500

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gwreddragon:

it has two tuners

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gwreddragon:

Pretty handy

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shaggyoaf:

what about HD tuners?

[23:49:17]

shaggyoaf:

...I don't have any HD input at the moment but it never hurts to buy a generation ahead

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gwreddragon:

HD tuners would only work with on-air tv

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shaggyoaf:

oh, really? Is cable HD is encrypted?

[23:50:45]

gwreddragon:

the 'tuner' doesn't 'tune'

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gwreddragon:

the cable box does the tuning

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gwreddragon:

so...

[23:51:38]

gwreddragon:

either you get a cable box with firewire-based video output

[23:52:01]

shaggyoaf:

wouldn't that make it so MythTV couldn't change the #?

[23:52:16]

shaggyoaf:

(and make it so it couldn't record stuff?)

[23:52:18]

gwreddragon:

or you get a cable box with HD output and an HD 'tuner' card, then you need some way to change the channel, like a fake remote setup

[23:52:43]

gwreddragon:

there's a way to make it so your PC can change the channel

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shaggyoaf:

oh, fake remote setup... very clever

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gwreddragon:

I've never done any of that myself

[23:53:46]

shaggyoaf:

but none of these hauppage cards can actually pick a channel directly off the coax?

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gwreddragon:

it sounded like way too much of a pain for 2 HD channels or whatever

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gwreddragon:

only for analog cable

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shaggyoaf:

oh, right

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shaggyoaf:

ok

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shaggyoaf:

well, that's all I'm watching ATM anyway, so that pretty much answers my question.

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shaggyoaf:

thanks :)

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gwreddragon:

with that it's easy :)

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