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Thursday, May 17th, 2007, 00:05 UTC

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directhex:

try again in .uk waking hours, many knowledgeable people are in .uk

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directhex:

and so to bed

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HalonChilled:

8 hours ahead of EST?

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HalonChilled:

or behind?

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hads:

It's around midnight there now.

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hads:

But there are knowlegable people in other parts of the workd too :)

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HalonChilled:

well id love help from any of them

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hads:

You didn't really post a question. If you do it will attract more answers

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HalonChilled:

ok

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HalonChilled:

why when i run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source" the modules "gpio" and "i2c" are already selected and it wont let me deselect them or select others?

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HalonChilled:

is that more direct?

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hads:

Yes, although it isn't a question ;)

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hads:

Sounds odd, so you can't hit space on the items and select/deselect them?

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** hads should be working **

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HalonChilled:

yes but let me check again and tell you what happens

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HalonChilled:

i think that did the trick i will have to see

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HalonChilled:

It seems like its working lets see if it locks up later on in the instal thanks a bunch for that bit of advice that makes me look stupid for not knowing =P

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HalonChilled:

sorry, another question; why when I enter "sudo rm /usr/src/lirc*deb" i recieve the message "rm: cannot remove `/usr/src/lirc*deb': No such file or directory"? again Iam following a guide specific to my distro

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planktonboy:

HalonChilled check out this site...he has a good guide on getting lirc configured there http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu2.php

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: There is probably no match for lirc*deb

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HalonChilled:

ty

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: It may (or may not) make sense to throw a / in there (/usr/src/lirc/*deb)

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planktonboy:

just type sudo rm /path/to/lirc.*

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HalonChilled:

im only confused because if there is nothing to remove why would it be mentioned in the guide which begins from a blank install

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planktonboy:

HalonCHilled also he shows how to make lirc device static http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_tips.php

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planktonboy:

not sure

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planktonboy:

ignore it if it isnt there

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planktonboy:

anyway, I gotta go sleep

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planktonboy:

nearly 2 am here in UK

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planktonboy:

good luck with that Halon

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planktonboy:

night all

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woland_:

hey guys, anyone using mythtv to view encrypted dvds on ubuntu?

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aarcane:

which emulator do you guys use for gameboy(advance) emulation ?

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HalonChilled:

When I run the command "sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start" I recieve the messages "/etc/lirc/hardware.conf: 17: lirc_i2c lirc_pvr150: not found" and

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HalonChilled:

"Starting lirc daemon: lircd." How do I fix this?

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HalonChilled:

any help would be greatly appriciated

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: do whatever you need to to build the lirc_pvr150 module

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HalonChilled:

what do you mean?

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: I mean apparently you need that driver, if it can't be found it wasn't built (or installed, or depmoded)

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HalonChilled:

what command line will remedy the problem?

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: I don't use Debian or its derivatives

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HalonChilled:

ok

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HalonChilled:

thanks for your input

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HalonChilled:

and the same for the ic2?

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: Yes, same cause, where was the howto you were using?

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HalonChilled:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty

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Anduin:

What do the Ubuntu folk hate about numbering their howtos?! What did you pick when doing 'Configure lirc-modules-source'?

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HalonChilled:

both ic2 and pvr-150 have * in them

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HalonChilled:

I hit enter and I get this: "cd /usr/src/ ││ tar -xzf lirc-modules.tar.gz ││ cd modules/lirc ││ debian/rules binary-modules KSRC=/path/of/my/kernel/source/ ││ dpkg -i ../../irc-modules-*.deb "

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: You did that last one (sudo depmod -a)?

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HalonChilled:

no, would you like me to do it and tell you what happens?

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: Knowing nothing about dpkg and module-assistant, those steps look fine.

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: You must do that step, otherwise your modules will be installed, but not loadable (assuming all steps before that were successful)

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HalonChilled:

ok ill try the command again

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Anduin:

Always nice to throw an e in there depmod -ae

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HalonChilled:

ok

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Aquahallic:

evenin' folks....

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Aquahallic:

if a dvd looks perfect.. but live tv looks grainy.... are there any settings to be changed on a PVR 150??

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: I'll be back

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HalonChilled:

ok thanks

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woland_:

what video backend does mythtv use?

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woland_:

i'm struggling to get it to support encrpyted dvd

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kash:

i love the mepo theme XD

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Aquahallic:

if a dvd looks perfect.. but live tv looks grainy.... are there any settings to be changed on a PVR 150??

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: what have you tried? Is it grainy or blocky?

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Anduin:

HalonChilled: Do you have it working?

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HalonChilled:

nope hehe

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Aquahallic:

it's grainy

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Aquahallic:

not blocky like compression

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aarcane:

Aquahallic, adjust your antenna

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Aquahallic:

LMAO

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** Aquahallic already tilted his tin-foil hat in every direction **

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: on all channels? (if not, sometime changing pci slots), if so, well you can play with some of the settings, but it may just be the card (or expectations)

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Aquahallic:

actually... I think I just found it

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Aquahallic:

:)

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aarcane:

Aquahallic, toldja it was the antenna!

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Aquahallic:

now it's nice and clear but if someone moves quickly... it kinda pixelates

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Aquahallic:

more of... lines in the direction they're moving in

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aarcane:

Aquahallic, CRT or LCD ?

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Aquahallic:

LCD

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Aquahallic:

just a 15" LCD I'm setting it up on

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Aquahallic:

that common with LCD?

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ddressler:

I'm having a couple bizarre problems with a new dual tuner myth box. pvr-350 and pvr-150. ptune.pl acts like it's working from the command line, but it doesn't actually change the channel.

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aarcane:

yeah, any fast motion on LCDs can leave a residual image

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: deinterlacing?

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Aquahallic:

ahh.. guess I'll leave it alone until I hook it to the tv... it's nice and clear now though...;)

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aarcane:

Aquahallic, or it could be deinterlacing. those are the two most likely issues :)

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Anduin:

ddressler: device perms are ok?

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ddressler:

hmmm... I think so.

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Aquahallic:

I know the tv it's much more forgiving....;)

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ddressler:

both tuners can watch live tv, but only on the default starting channel

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aarcane:

Aquahallic, are you using the LCD set at the resolution you plan to use on the TV ?

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Anduin:

ddressler: but you are not using ptune for live TV right?

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ddressler:

yes

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Aquahallic:

no... like I was saying though... I'll prolly just let it be for now until I get it on the tv I'mma use.. then go through and tweak it out...;)

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ddressler:

Anduin, it's at my parents house...they have no cable box and don't need one

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Anduin:

ddressler: Yeah, but why use ptune?

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ddressler:

what else would I use?

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aarcane:

Aquahallic, that's what I do, but unfortunately I don't have a tuner, so all I have is games and downloaded movies :(

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Anduin:

ddressler: Myth is perfectly capable of sending the correct ioctl to change the channel.

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aarcane:

speaking of games, what do all of you use for gameboy emulation, with a joypad.

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Anduin:

ddressler: I'd still check the device perms

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ddressler:

ahhh, so leave "external channel change command" blank?

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Anduin:

ddressler: Yes

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Anduin:

ddressler: and ensure you have the correct frequency table

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ddressler:

anduin, ok I'll give that a shot.

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Anduin:

ddressler: underneath it does the same thing ptune does, so don't expect it to actually fix anything

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ddressler:

So US-cable is the frequency table?

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ddressler:

anduin, ok

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Anduin:

ddressler: It is one, often works, you may have to try others

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ddressler:

I'm running ptune from the command line as root and it returns saying it's successfully changed it

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ddressler:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 May 16 14:05 /dev/v4l/video0

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Anduin:

ddressler: You should be able to watch live TV and use ptune and see it change if it is working (short delay)

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ddressler:

anduin, right, I;ve done that before just fine, but I added a second tuner and rebuilt the box from scratch... might have messed up a setting.

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ddressler:

plus I'm in chicago and the myth box is in Seattle :-)

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Anduin:

ddressler: could be that the tuner module isn't right/built

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ddressler:

tuner module?

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Anduin:

ddressler: Yeah, the module the ivtv driver uses for the tuner chip, when you load ivtv it prints to dmesg, showing which one it detected (usually works fine for newer kernels/ivtv)

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ddressler:

Anduin, ok, it identified pvr-350 and pvr-150 by name

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Aquahallic:

hmmm

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Aquahallic:

question about transcoding...

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Aquahallic:

is there transcoding going on while viewing livetv?

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Anduin:

ddressler: and the tuner?

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: Not while

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Anduin:

Well, as in not what you are seeing

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ddressler:

tveeprom 3–0050: tuner model is LG TAPE H001F MK3 (idx 68, type 47)

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ddressler:

tveeprom 4–0050: tuner model is TCL M2523_5N_E (idx 112, type 50)

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Aquahallic:

so.. the recording options have nothing to do with the video while you're viewing livetv... correct?

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: No, there is a Live TV group, those settings do make a difference.

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Tanthrix:

Ok, google seriously needs to stop messing with their layout.

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Aquahallic:

so.. livetv under Recording Profiles.... Mpeg-2 Encoders

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: Yes.

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Aquahallic:

k

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Aquahallic:

ty

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Anduin:

ddressler: you may want to put the ivtv init section of dmesg on a pastebin

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ddressler:

anduin, http://pastebin.ca/492276

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ddressler:

;-)

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ddressler:

Anduin, something else strange that might or might not be related: I'm using the pvr-350's output to the TV. The first time I had them try watching live tv, I hadn't told Myth to use it, but it worked fine as far as watching the one channel, but no sound. I had them set it to use the 350s out and sound only through it and now it has sound but no picture :-(

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Anduin:

ddressler: I haven't played with the 350 out in years

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ddressler:

ok

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Anduin:

Though if it just worked, it sounds like it was using the X driver

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ddressler:

it is, I got that all working

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ddressler:

I got the man nvidia card, but their TV doesn't have svideo

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Anduin:

ddressler: It didn't come with one of those s-video -> composite converters?

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ddressler:

huh.. I don't think so

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ddressler:

they're getting a new tv soon anyhow, so at least that problem will go away soon. Just have to figure out why the channel changing is borked

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sajid:

what are the lowest specs i could get away with on a front end for SD?

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Pryon:

You'd probably have to try pretty hard to buy a machine that wouldn't work

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sajid:

well i wouldnt be buying it, heh

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sajid:

its an old machine

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sajid:

currently running 98, so cira '99

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sajid:

*circa

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Anduin:

sajid: PIII or better?

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sajid:

no clue, cause its not my old machine

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sajid:

heh

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sajid:

but if its a PIII with 256mb, will it be okay?

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Anduin:

ddressler: may want to enable debug on the tuner module, not much else I can think of, may also want to check if the ivtv channel still exists/is helpful

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sajid:

basically, i plan to set up my own backend, and have a Wi-Fi network so that i can stream to my laptop

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Anduin:

sajid: Some people use old XBoxes, it can work, what you call ok depends though

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sajid:

but im trying to see if the people who live right next door can pick up the Wi-Fi

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sajid:

and use their TV as a monitor

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sajid:

and get our TV

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sajid:

*our TV service, on their TV

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ddressler:

Anduin, ok, thanks. will do

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Pryon:

sajid: Do you want them too?

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Pryon:

to?

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sajid:

yes, they are my friends

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sajid:

ill encrypt the Wi-Fi, but give them the key

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sajid:

but yeah, the point was that one of them has an old machine lying around, and i was seeing it itd be suitable

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Anduin:

a minimal theme with SD (especially lower bitrate) will work on surprisingly limited machines

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sigger_:

thumbs up or thumbs down on the brand Chaintech's video cards?

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Joe32:

hey guys

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Joe32:

whats the best way to install codec's on fedora core 5 for mythtv?

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Anduin:

Joe32: If only, doesn't work that way.

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Joe32:

what do you mean?

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livingtm:

hey how can i tell if a user job ran, or failed

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LikwidFire:

hey guys

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Joe32:

hey

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LikwidFire:

anyone know why both this PC and my HTPC would have this in /etc/localtime?

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LikwidFire:

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LikwidFire:

thats all that is in there

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Beirdo:

it should be a symlink to the correct timezone file, IIRC

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livingtm:

i set up a user job to transcode for my ipod video but it doesnt look like it ever even tried to run.. except that in the show "info" pop up, it says the custom job is still running

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Anduin:

LikwidFire: What did you expect?

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LikwidFire:

Anduin: i thout it would be formatted a little differently :)

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Anduin:

LikwidFire: Nope, not really human readable

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LikwidFire:

Anduin: It wasnt like that during the Gentoo install

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Anduin:

LikwidFire: Use whatever time config tool you have

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hads:

You can check with diff if you need.

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LikwidFire:

k, thanks I dont even know what I have, i just edited the file by hand before

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LikwidFire:

ill see if there is a good one I can emerge somewhere

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Anduin:

Beirdo: used to be a symlink until someone noticed you don't always have /usr

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Beirdo:

heh. yeah, a cp should do fine too

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ddressler:

Anduin, using a symlink made the DST change easy. You just had to update. If you copied it you had to manually copy the new zone file.

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ddressler:

bit me on the butt at work on one of my machines

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Anduin:

ddressler: Yeah, I was just saying why it is no longer a symlink (most places, now), and shouldn't be.

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ddressler:

Anduin, I'm sticking to the symlink because you pick up changes automatically

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ddressler:

I'm not clear on why you think it shouldn't be that way

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Anduin:

ddressler: Where does the symlink point? That location can and occasionally is, unavailable (depending on your setup)

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ddressler:

Anduin, /usr/share/..... If that's unavailable, I have bigger problems than the correct time :-)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

letting firefox clean junkmail outta my mailbox

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Beirdo:

12k messages to go

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Beirdo:

errr, thunderbird

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Beirdo:

Once I rebuild that server using xen, I will be hitting the spam filters in the head again

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Beirdo:

this should take some time

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xris:

heh

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** xris really needs to decide if he should get one or two new computers... and if the mythbox REALLY needs an upgrade **

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lightspeedbiker:

Has anyone setup a Myth front end on a MacBook?

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xris:

shouldn't be different from any other mac

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Beirdo:

nice. 10k were junk on the first pass

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Sid`:

/etc/localtime isn't a link because /usr and /etc can't be guaranteed to be on the same partition

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Anduin:

Beirdo: How is it checking?

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Beirdo:

default thunderbird junk checking

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Beirdo:

spamassassin completely missed em

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Beirdo:

haven't updated it in over a year, so not surprised

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Beirdo:

heh, spam score of 4.9

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Beirdo:

grrrr

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Beirdo:

my cutoff is 5.0

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Beirdo:

jeez

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Beirdo:

ok, enough of that, bed

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kusznir:

Hi all: I'm having a problem with a myth backend not liking my sql tables all of a sudden. I have pasted the mythbackend log at this address:http://www.pastebin.ca/492451 Any suggestions on recovery?

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kusznir:

(it claims the schema version is blank)

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kusznir:

Mysql did previously have a crashed table; but I repaired it with mysqlcheck, and now its reporting all tables clean.

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xris:

kusznir: repaired table doesn't mean you didn't lose data

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kusznir:

Hmm...from the looks of things, a bunch of tables just disappeared....I only have 7 tables in mythconverg....

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kusznir:

(and settings is not one of them...)

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xris:

ouch

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kusznir:

That matches what I see in /var/lib/mysql....I don't know how this could have happened....I don't think I have a recent backup.

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kusznir:

Any idea what would cause this?

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kusznir:

(on a dedicated myth system...nothing other than myth-related processes running)

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xris:

deleting tables completely? no clue

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** Bigcheese blames the MPAA **

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kusznir:

:)

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kusznir:

(at this point, though, am I looking at basically starting over? No regenerating or other recovery possible, right?

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Bigcheese:

thats what backups are for :P

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Bigcheese:

but other than that, once a table is gone it's pretty gone

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kusznir:

Is there a way to rebuild the tables responsible for storing the list of current recordings, or do I have to blow away the hard disk too?

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Anduin:

kusznir: myth.rebuilddatabase.pl (or something close)

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rikstah:

Bigcheese, you can turn on transactions too

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Bigcheese:

you could also use that new revisioning file system for your mysql partition :P

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rikstah:

Bigcheese, name?

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rikstah:

wayback/

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rikstah:

?

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Bigcheese:

hmm

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Bigcheese:

leme look it up

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Bigcheese:

ext3cow

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rikstah:

wow nice

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rikstah:

the number is unix timestamp?

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rikstah:

cat foo.txt@1057845484

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rikstah:

?

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Bigcheese:

duno, never used it :P

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hads:

probably

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Bigcheese:

there are some examples on YouTube of using it

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rikstah:

nice

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rikstah:

cant find any

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Bigcheese:

hmm

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rikstah:

i get the idea anyway hehe

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rikstah:

i just moved all my email to my new xen cluster.... it coulda gone better :P

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rikstah:

but shit happens

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perlmonkey:

mornin guys

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perlmonkey:

is Hauppage Nova-T a good card compared to PVR 150?

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Tanthrix:

perlmonkey: Apples to oranges, if my understanding is correct.

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Tanthrix:

The Nova-T is a DVB card so it pulls the straight digital stream from satellite / cable co, as opposed to the PVR-150 which converts analog TV to digital MPEG2

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Tanthrix:

So, given the same digital source, the Nova T will always look better than any analog card, since there is no A/D conversion going on

[07:03:18]

Tanthrix:

(Though, to clarify, if you were using a PVR-150 with a digital source you would need some kind of digital reciever to first recieve the digital transmission, then output it over coax / s-video / composite to the PVR-150, since it cannot do straight digital)

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perlmonkey:

oh

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perlmonkey:

thanks for explaining :-)

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perlmonkey:

I had a look on the mythtv documentation but couldnt see it mentioned

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Tanthrix:

NP.

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perlmonkey:

I have a cable box, so would Nova-T be not suitable?

[07:04:53]

perlmonkey:

the signal out is analog eh

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Tanthrix:

That depends on whether or not your channels are encrypted and such

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perlmonkey:

oh

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perlmonkey:

when I tune my PVR 150 card it only finds one channel

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perlmonkey:

dunno if that's relevant

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Tanthrix:

Are you in Europe? What kind of cable do you have?

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perlmonkey:

I'm in UK, not sure what kind of cable it is though

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Tanthrix:

Well, I think most stuff there is in the clear, but I'm in the US so I don't know too much about it

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Tanthrix:

But the bottom line is this: If your digital stuff is in the clear (meaning no encryption) getting a digital card (assuming the Nova would work with your cable) would give you the best quality

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perlmonkey:

that's good then

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perlmonkey:

I might risk it, I've seen some going cheap on eBay

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Tanthrix:

The Nova is DVB-T though, which according to the wiki stands for DVB-terrestial

[07:09:14]

Tanthrix:

You might need a DVB-C (cable) card, but I don't know jack about this

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perlmonkey:

phew

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Tanthrix:

That's a shame

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perlmonkey:

another thing that box only takes slimline cd drive format arrghh = $$$

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Tanthrix:

Could go external USB

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perlmonkey:

true

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perlmonkey:

but on the plus side, it looks the business under the tv, its actually smaller than my cable box and same colour so blends in well

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Tanthrix:

Yah, that is nice

[07:12:38]

perlmonkey:

say, you are up very late/early for USA eh

[07:13:11]

Tanthrix:

It's only midnight here (west coast) which isn't too late for me

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perlmonkey:

oh

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Tanthrix:

I'm a night person so I usually lurk about in the wee hours of the morning

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perlmonkey:

:-)

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perlmonkey:

nite owel

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perlmonkey:

*owl

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perlmonkey:

I just sent a load of orders to USA

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Tanthrix:

Of what?

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perlmonkey:

oh I sell health products

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perlmonkey:

what sort of hardware do you have for mythtv?

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Tanthrix:

I see

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perlmonkey:

phew thats quite some setup

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Tanthrix:

It's nice when it works ;)

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perlmonkey:

do you use mytharchive much?

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Tanthrix:

I don't even have it installed, actually

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Tanthrix:

That's for burning dvds right?

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perlmonkey:

I tried to backup some stuff the other day but it crapped out, I will have to try again

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perlmonkey:

ya

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perlmonkey:

it looks pretty good, it makes proper DVDs with the menus and all

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directhex:

pentium-d 3ghz, 1gb ecc ddr2, 8x 250gb drives on a dedicated lsi raid controller

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Tanthrix:

I don't burn dvds, I just buy more hard drives

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perlmonkey:

hi directhex

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directhex:

and a nova-t and a technotrend w/ top-up tv CAM

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Tanthrix:

(I've got 1.6 TB in my main system at the moment)

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perlmonkey:

heh

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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directhex:

bah, Tanthrix will have a faster system than me :'(

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directhex:

i have ecc though, that makes me a man :p

[07:21:03]

Tanthrix:

Muahah! I win....nothing!

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directhex:

i must pop to the post office & pick up a network card

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Tanthrix:

directhex: What's the ECC mean exactly?

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directhex:

Tanthrix, in the tiny event that radiation from space causes a glitch in ram, ecc will correct & fix the glitch

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perlmonkey:

error checking correction?

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Tanthrix:

Yah, I gathered it was for error correction of some kind

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, I actually like that idea.

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perlmonkey:

alot of servers use that sort of ram, its expensive

[07:22:47]

perlmonkey:

I run a magnia server here made by toshiba

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Tanthrix:

I have an insane paranoia (or mistrust if you like) that my system, in the course of processing the millions of bits of data everyday, is going to put some in the wrong place

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

How much more expensive is it?

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perlmonkey:

i would say around 30–50% for normal memory

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directhex:

depends. ram prices are always up & down

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Tanthrix:

I'm picking up 2GB of DDR2-PC6400 for 87.00 USD which is going to go into my main system

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perlmonkey:

the older memory is getting more expensive

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perlmonkey:

Dell make nice boxes for myth

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perlmonkey:

is Dell popular in USA?

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Tanthrix:

$151 for ECC ram compared to $89 for the non-ECC

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perlmonkey:

quite a lot more

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** Tanthrix ponders "Then I would be a real man like directhex, AND have a better system!" **

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perlmonkey:

haha

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Tanthrix:

perlmonkey: Dell used to be pretty popular, but I think HP is the number one company now.

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perlmonkey:

I dont think ECC is really necessary unless you're running a server or some critical application

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Tanthrix:

Yah, most likely.

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perlmonkey:

or of course unless you're rich

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perlmonkey:

:P

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Tanthrix:

I am not, unfortunately.

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Tanthrix:

I'm actually splitting the cost of this system with the gf, so I'm only in it for about $250 ;)

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perlmonkey:

hehe cool

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Tanthrix:

We bought the new TV together as well. I told her we're as good as married now :P

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perlmonkey:

just dont go splitting up, she'll be stripping down half your box ;-)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:30:19]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I said if we do split up at some point we'll have to cut the TV down the middle

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** perlmonkey sends all his used postage stamps to guidedogs for the blind **

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perlmonkey:

hehe

[07:31:12]

perlmonkey:

do you guys have postage stamps in USA, I never seen any

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Tanthrix:

Of course! How else would we mail stuff?

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perlmonkey:

y'all seem to use those franked things or stamp marks at post office

[07:31:58]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, that's usually only for business stuff.

[07:31:59]

perlmonkey:

ive never once received a mail from USA with a stamp on it!

[07:32:05]

perlmonkey:

oh

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perlmonkey:

what goes on your stamps, im curious.. ex-presidents etc?

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Tanthrix:

And for international stuff some people might not know what postage they need so they might just have the office do it and pay cash which would do a stamp

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perlmonkey:

ahh i see

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Tanthrix:

All sorts of random stuff from presidents to movie stars

[07:33:02]

perlmonkey:

damn thats a pity i dont go those, i collect stamps

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perlmonkey:

*get

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Tanthrix:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_o . . . nited_States

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perlmonkey:

thanks :)

[07:34:22]

Tanthrix:

Not a whole lot of pictures though, unfortunately

[07:35:00]

perlmonkey:

some old ones there

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perlmonkey:

i have some queen victoria stamps in my collection

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perlmonkey:

DHL sux

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Tanthrix:

I've never collected, but there is something pleasantly quaint about stamps

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perlmonkey:

I collect all sorts, antiques, pocket watches

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perlmonkey:

I'm like a magpie for anything shiny ;-)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:39:07]

Tanthrix:

I do love old watches

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Tanthrix:

Anything mechanical really

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perlmonkey:

I have an old clock ticking away behind me its 1930's art deco style wooden case

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perlmonkey:

theres something very nice about a mechanical clock that continues to tick away decade after decade, thru wars etc

[07:40:09]

perlmonkey:

hehe

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hads:

I seem to collect electronics junk, that's about it.

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Tanthrix:

That's the reason I love old trees so much

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perlmonkey:

I collect old tech also

[07:40:45]

perlmonkey:

I love old pda's

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hads:

I don't do it on purpose :)

[07:40:59]

perlmonkey:

haha i do

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perlmonkey:

I buy any old junk

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Tanthrix:

I have a 5MB hard drive in my garage that I just can't seem to part with

[07:41:35]

perlmonkey:

woah thats so small

[07:41:42]

perlmonkey:

the smallest i have is 100mb

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Tanthrix:

It's nearly as large as a computer case

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perlmonkey:

wow

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hads:

My first was 20MB

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Tanthrix:

Well, smaller than that, but still friggin big

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perlmonkey:

that must be collectable surely

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perlmonkey:

theres quite a growing market now for early PC technology

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perlmonkey:

does anyone know what the deal is concerning Divx, is that available in Linux as a codec or is it licensed stuff?

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Tanthrix:

perlmonkey: Divx is just mpeg4, so anything can play it really

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directhex:

perlmonkey, it's a bog standard mpeg4 codec. there are hundreds of things that can play it

[07:45:15]

** perlmonkey drinks tea from 1960's teacup and saucer **

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directhex:

it's all hype

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directhex:

and xvid always made better quality video anyway

[07:45:29]

perlmonkey:

oh cool

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directhex:

woo @ new BE network card

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perlmonkey:

directhex that was quick is your post office really close by

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directhex:

ten minute walk. or ten minute drive in this traffic

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perlmonkey:

hehe

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directhex:

i'm NOT impressed with hp's packaging

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Tanthrix:

I'm a liar, my drive is 30MB

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perlmonkey:

hp was started by a couple of guys in a garage in early part of 20th century eh

[07:47:27]

Tanthrix:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Priam-3450-30MB-8-disk-dr . . . cmdZViewItem

[07:47:45]

Tanthrix:

It has a bar you pull to lock the platters and stuff in place, hehe

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Tanthrix:

Defective one going for $50, so I don't think it's worth that much. But I like it.

[07:48:33]

perlmonkey:

haha

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perlmonkey:

you should keep it well stored for future generations ;-)

[07:49:06]

perlmonkey:

antiques of the future will be tech

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** perlmonkey attempts to boot up the Dell optiplex with a laptop cd drive hanging out of it **

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anykey_:

Anyone with an AM2 board that does speedstepping (cpufreq) with a dual-core cpu?

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tank-man:

that depends on the motherboard?

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Tanthrix:

Off to bed, later all.

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anykey_:

Tanthrix: my motherboard has some broken DSDT tables, and I can't get a fixed one... so if you have it working, could you please export your dsdt?

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Tanthrix:

Er, what the hell is DSDT?

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anykey_:

its a table that specifies how to use the acpi features of the system

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, well I don't think I gots me one of those – why did you specifically ask me?

[08:14:15]

anykey_:

uhm sorry

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anykey_:

actually that wasn't for specifically *you* ;)

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, ok

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Tanthrix:

I'm always happy to help, but that sounds like a very specific kind of thing

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anykey_:

i'd need someone with the same cpu... but that could be a *bit* difficult

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Tanthrix:

Isn't this the kind of thing you can just google for?

[08:16:19]

anykey_:

well, I didn't find anything... most people don't know what a dsdt is ;)

[08:16:26]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[08:19:06]

clever:

can i have a slave backend automaticaly run commflag and trancode jobs for files from another backend?

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tjcarter:

I have a Snapstream Firefly RF remote, but I am realizing that the remote has some serious limitations. Namely, it's RF x10 remote protocol only. I'd like something that can also turn on and off the TV, for example, but I really love the RF remote for Myth.

[08:19:14]

tjcarter:

Suggestions?

[08:19:21]

clever:

the filesystem is shared thru nfs so all backends see the same files

[08:20:04]

clever:

tjcarter: if lirc can pickup the rf remote then you can use irexec to run scripts when you push a button

[08:20:16]

clever:

tjcarter: those scripts can use a old ir blaster stuck infront of the tv to relay the commands

[08:20:59]

tjcarter:

clever: I haven't got one, other than maybe somewhere I could find one from a TiVo.

[08:21:12]

tjcarter:

I might have tossed it though

[08:21:21]

clever:

i made a ir blaster using 3 parts

[08:21:38]

clever:

resistor,ir led,old serial mouse

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tjcarter:

I don't believe it's as simple as an adapter pigtail to connect the appropriate serial port wires?

[08:22:04]

clever:

guted the mouse and used a soldering iron to melt a hole in the front of its case

[08:22:14]

clever:

not shure what the wiring of the tivo ir blaster is

[08:22:31]

clever:

but the plain serial one for lirc is just 2 parts

[08:22:36]

clever:

google has tons of pics of it

[08:27:02]

tjcarter:

clever: it's an IR LED connected to a miniplug.

[08:27:06]

tjcarter:

that's pretty much it =D

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tjcarter:

I doubt there's a current limiter.

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clever:

ahh

[08:28:10]

clever:

you can probly string a current limiting resistor in when you hook it to the com port

[08:29:40]

tjcarter:

yeah.

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tjcarter:

possibly a little more than that too

[08:30:30]

tjcarter:

a protective diode, and possibly a second resistor and a transistor just to help isolate things a little better.

[08:34:02]

tjcarter:

anyway, I gotta sleep

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clever:

me too

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clever:

5am here:P

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tjcarter:

thanks for the suggestion, I think I like it =)

[08:34:37]

clever:

a minor problem i have with my mythtv setup

[08:34:48]

clever:

the mythtv remote cant turn the tvon

[08:35:05]

clever:

mainly because i cant find the dang code for my ir blaster to affect the tv

[08:35:29]

clever:

but thats where i had the idea of having 1 remote get its signal relayed about

[08:36:50]

perlmonkey:

i want freestat

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clever:

perlmonkey: say please:P

[08:37:51]

** perlmonkey says please and requests freestat **

[08:37:52]

perlmonkey:

:P

[08:38:04]

** clever has no idea what freestat is:P **

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perlmonkey:

its a satelite version of the freeview service in UK for people outside the freeview receiption areas

[08:38:57]

perlmonkey:

basically free to view digital tv over a satelite dish

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clever:

ahh

[08:39:36]

** perlmonkey has many questions for juski when he gets out of bed **

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** clever is allready in bed **

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perlmonkey:

using laptop?

[08:39:57]

clever:

been trying to sleep for the past 6+ hours

[08:40:04]

clever:

half a laptop

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clever:

half a desktop

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perlmonkey:

ahh you have insomnia

[08:40:20]

clever:

the lcd panel on the laptop was cracked

[08:40:26]

clever:

so i just totaly removed it from the pc

[08:40:33]

perlmonkey:

hehe you hacked something together from it, i like it

[08:40:40]

clever:

and i have a whole damn crt sitting on my bed radiating me all night long

[08:40:48]

perlmonkey:

haha

[08:40:51]

clever:

also

[08:40:56]

clever:

at one point

[08:41:05]

clever:

instead of telling my video program to rotate the video

[08:41:06]

perlmonkey:

can you locate a cheap lcd on ebay for that laptop?

[08:41:12]

clever:

so i could see it right when laying down

[08:41:22]

clever:

i just grabed the whole moniter and rolled it over on its side

[08:41:35]

clever:

it didnt like it:P

[08:41:38]

clever:

colors went all messed up

[08:41:38]

perlmonkey:

haha yes

[08:41:49]

perlmonkey:

thats funny

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clever:

not shure why but this moniters colors go odd when its on its side

[08:42:18]

perlmonkey:

that is odd, but ive noticed monitors do that sometimes or the picture gets distorted

[08:42:26]

clever:

yeah

[08:42:31]

clever:

putting it back upright fixed it

[08:42:41]

clever:

and -vf rotate=1 on mplayer gave the same effect

[08:43:04]

perlmonkey:

you need a cheap tft monitor or a laptop fix

[08:43:10]

clever:

but the front edge is so heavy that the entire screen is tilted backwards

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quicksilver:

yeah, most crt's colours go slightly odd when titlted

[08:43:18]

clever:

bad viewing angle

[08:43:21]

quicksilver:

except for the special ones designed to do that

[08:43:27]

clever:

the top is too far towards me

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quicksilver:

I'm not sure why

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directhex|work:

anykey_, broken DSDT... is that an asus?

[08:43:37]

perlmonkey:

clever which country are you in

[08:43:45]

clever:

canada

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quicksilver:

I suspect the electromagnets aren't quite held tight

[08:43:49]

anykey_:

directhex|work: nope

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quicksilver:

or the mountings aren't quite rigid

[08:44:05]

anykey_:

directhex|work: it's a gigabyte, but it was my fault, upgrade to 2.6.20 solved the issue ;)

[08:44:05]

clever:

yeah that could be it

[08:44:21]

clever:

my first guess was gravity might have been playing a role in the electron beams path

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directhex|work:

anykey_, if it makes you feel any better, it's all microsoft's fault. their asl compiler reports errors as warnings

[08:44:36]

clever:

and it was properly calibrated for 1g pulling it 'down'

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anykey_:

directhex|work: i now

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anykey_:

directhex|work: +k

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quicksilver:

clever: I doubt it :)

[08:44:58]

quicksilver:

clever: electrons are *very* light, and moving *very* fast

[08:44:58]

clever:

`e #age

[08:45:02]

clever:

#age == #age

[08:45:04]

clever:

`e $age

[08:45:04]

clever:

$age == I am 20.153742 years old. (I'll be 21 in 44wks 1day 20hrs 14mins 54secs.)

[08:45:16]

clever:

yeah thats why it was just a guess

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quicksilver:

hmm not that their weight has anything to do with it

[08:45:23]

quicksilver:

d'oh :P

[08:45:30]

** quicksilver slaps himself for a schoolboy error **

[08:45:35]

clever:

but what about the magnetic field of the earth?:P

[08:45:50]

quicksilver:

but that varies from place to place

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clever:

or the fact its laying on a giant metal spring bed

[08:46:00]

quicksilver:

so if that was a factor, monitors would need to be calibrated for your location :P

[08:46:06]

clever:

yeah

[08:46:17]

clever:

and just turning the thing 180 would mess it up"{

[08:46:31]

clever:

north would windup pulling/pushing the beam the other way

[08:47:20]

clever:

also when dad was out lastnight

[08:47:22]

perlmonkey:

how dangerous is radiation from CRT monitors?

[08:47:27]

clever:

i 'borrowed' his lcd panel

[08:47:37]

clever:

stuck it on the coffe table and used it with my laptop

[08:47:55]

clever:

and if you held the laptop at just the right angle it looked like the lcd pannel fit:P

[08:48:07]

clever:

perlmonkey: depends on how much its putting out

[08:48:13]

perlmonkey:

I have a screen filter on my CRT but I still don't trust these monitors I'm considering switching to TFT

[08:48:38]

perlmonkey:

also CRT is much less energy efficient that LCD?

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directhex|work:

anykey_, ilasm -d /proc/acpi/dsdt, and start writing a fixed version!

[08:48:54]

directhex|work:

anykey_, and when you're done, do mine

[08:49:17]

perlmonkey:

you guys have the knowledge

[08:49:45]

clever:

http://www.superwarehouse.com/Samsung_SyncMas . . . 750S/p/85977

[08:49:49]

anykey_:

directhex|work: it's fixed... I was just trying to get ACPI frequency scaling working, which is not needed with a newer kernel ;)

[08:49:51]

clever:

thats what im using in my bed right now

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quicksilver:

perlmonkey: I don't think you need to worry about the radiation danger

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clever:

anykey_: i have freq scaling thru the cpufreq module i think

[08:50:10]

quicksilver:

perlmonkey: but CRTs are bigger, uglier, heavier and consume more power

[08:50:18]

quicksilver:

perlmonkey: those factors are more important :)

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clever:

and it locks up for 1.5 seconds every time i make a freq change

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perlmonkey:

quicksilver: ok thanks :)

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directhex|work:

anykey_, shouldn't an am2 board be using the powernow-k8 module, not the acpi equivalent?

[08:50:30]

perlmonkey:

I will replace mine for tft

[08:50:38]

perlmonkey:

just for the energy saving benefits

[08:51:52]

** juski nukes Stockport again **

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clever:

my moniter is labled as 132$ on that site

[08:52:06]

clever:

i got it for i think <20

[08:52:07]

clever:

used

[08:52:16]

clever:

didnt even have a package with it:P

[08:52:32]

juski:

oo you have questions.. I'm offski

[08:52:35]

clever:

just a moniter on a shelf with a sticker for the price

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anykey_:

directhex|work: it should yes, but it's always an option to use the acpi one if the former does not work

[08:53:09]

directhex|work:

juski, stockport? what've they done?

[08:53:23]

directhex|work:

anykey_, assuming non-shit dsdt

[08:55:29]

perlmonkey:

juski!

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anykey_:

directhex|work: yes, then you'd use powernow-k8

[08:55:54]

juski:

what's stockport ever done? allow the motorway to get seriously blocked up by retarded drivers who can't drive in a straight line without crashing or their cars exploding when they go over a cat's eye

[08:56:23]

directhex|work:

juski, so don't nuke stockport, nuke people who buy french cars

[08:56:35]

juski:

nah Stockport still needs nuking

[08:57:04]

juski:

I'll not be moved on that resolution!

[08:57:46]

juski:

anyway stockport's a sh*thole

[08:57:49]

directhex|work:

the nukes could be better served

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directhex|work:

such as in slough

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juski:

slough isn't on my way to work though

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juski:

plus we've got more than enough nukes :)

[08:59:06]

directhex|work:

or high wycombe

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juski:

scotland would be good too

[09:00:05]

juski:

make it uninhabitable

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juski:

no, wait it already is ;)

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directhex|work:

i was astonished when visiting wales to find they not only have sheep living there, but cows too

[09:02:01]

juski:

tastes change :-P

[09:02:41]

juski:

so perlmonkey ... !!!

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Merlin83b:

I thought you went round the north of Manchester, juski?

[09:04:03]

juski:

Merlin83b: used to. not anymore. working in Daresbury, pit of Cheshire

[09:04:11]

Merlin83b:

Ah right.

[09:04:22]

juski:

too fasking close to runcorn

[09:04:37]

Merlin83b:

Do you feel like you're in two pints town?

[09:04:50]

juski:

not here, but it's not far enough away

[09:05:00]

juski:

went one lunchtime & boy it's depressing there

[09:05:01]

perlmonkey:

phew

[09:05:11]

Merlin83b:

Never been, no intention of goinf.

[09:05:27]

juski:

don't!

[09:05:40]

perlmonkey:

juski: I have seen some Nova-T cards on ebay, but I wanted to check with you if it's suitable for telewest cable box?

[09:05:53]

Merlin83b:

perlmonkey: Er, no.

[09:05:58]

perlmonkey:

oh

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directhex|work:

not at all

[09:06:01]

juski:

at least there's a bunch of dangerous experiments going on at the nearby particle accelerator

[09:06:03]

Merlin83b:

Nova-T is for freeview.

[09:06:04]

juski:

NO!

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perlmonkey:

thats for digital tv like freeview?

[09:06:07]

perlmonkey:

oh

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directhex|work:

dvb-t is for over-the-air antenna-based digital tv

[09:06:29]

Merlin83b:

perlmonkey: You need something like a PVR-150

[09:06:35]

perlmonkey:

juski: do you know when freestat is available and where is the best place to get that from? I noticed Sky is doing it for £150

[09:06:42]

perlmonkey:

ok

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directhex|work:

perlmonkey, that's not freesat, that's freesat from sky

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directhex|work:

(great naming convention)

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perlmonkey:

I have a PVR-150 but I need a low profile one now :-/

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juski:

perlmonkey: there is NO point in freesat what so ever

[09:07:16]

perlmonkey:

Sky are trying to make money off of freestat?

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directhex|work:

so get a low profile one. you've got ntl cable, you need an mpeg2 encoder card and an ir blaster

[09:07:23]

perlmonkey:

juski: why?

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directhex|work:

perlmonkey, you have to use the sky box

[09:07:36]

juski:

perlmonkey: have you seen the channel lineup & how crap it is?

[09:07:52]

perlmonkey:

isn't it the same as freeview?

[09:07:54]

juski:

it's like freeview but with more shopping & God channels

[09:08:00]

juski:

and quiz channels

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juski:

and 24hr musak

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perlmonkey:

:-/

[09:08:27]

directhex|work:

i'd actually get freesat if i could use a dvb-s card

[09:08:35]

directhex|work:

despite the god channels, dvb-t reception where i am sucks

[09:08:55]

juski:

and with a minidish, you'll get signal losses when it's cloudy/raining/drizzling/foggy/snowing/hot/cold

[09:09:09]

perlmonkey:

bugger

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juski:

was watching $ly+ at my mates place once & the recording kept jumping 30s into the future. mate said "ah must've been raining when this recorded" like it was just a fact of life you had to put up with!

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directhex|work:

juski, i already get signal losses under those conditions

[09:10:19]

perlmonkey:

screw that

[09:10:25]

directhex|work:

juski, and don't get me started on when the RAF are flying past

[09:10:31]

Merlin83b:

perlmonkey: Does your cable box have a firewire connection

[09:10:45]

perlmonkey:

Merlin83b: i dont think so no

[09:10:50]

juski:

Merlin83b: UK cable doesn't come with firewire

[09:10:55]

Merlin83b:

Oh

[09:11:07]

juski:

Uk cable doesn't come with any capability of being digitall recorded via direct connections

[09:11:12]

juski:

I repeat..

[09:11:13]

juski:

Uk cable doesn't come with any capability of being digitall recorded via direct connections

[09:11:16]

perlmonkey:

that sucks

[09:11:21]

juski:

UK cable sucks!

[09:11:30]

juski:

Uk satellite sucks!

[09:11:40]

perlmonkey:

will they update us anytime soon?

[09:11:46]

juski:

you can't just connect a dvb-c card to the cable either

[09:12:46]

juski:

perlmonkey: what do you mean, update us anytime soon? like get us boxes with firewire? ROFL

[09:12:47]

perlmonkey:

is freeview easier to tune, assuming you are in a proper reception area?

[09:12:55]

perlmonkey:

ya :P

[09:13:00]

directhex|work:

freeview JustWorks(tm) if you're in a reception area

[09:13:01]

Merlin83b:

In that you hit scan and it finds all the channels, yes.

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directhex|work:

you can even pay for the porn channels if you buy the right card

[09:13:11]

perlmonkey:

wow

[09:13:20]

juski:

freeview will get a whole load better when analogue is switched orf

[09:13:33]

perlmonkey:

still no freeview in my area i think it will be ready in 2008

[09:13:35]

juski:

well, reception will anyway.

[09:13:48]

juski:

move to Whitehaven :P

[09:13:54]

perlmonkey:

hehe

[09:14:11]

perlmonkey:

half of my town still doesnt have Channel 5!

[09:14:28]

Merlin83b:

...and the half that does doesn't want it!

[09:14:35]

perlmonkey:

haha

[09:15:49]

directhex|work:

Merlin83b, but channel 5 has CSI! and CSI miami! and CSI new york! and CSI tampa! and CSI boston! and CSI springfield!

[09:16:05]

Merlin83b:

I don't watch any CSIs.

[09:16:19]

Merlin83b:

But they do have the cricket this summer, apparently.

[09:19:03]

perlmonkey:

do you guys know if AT Radeon 7000 AGP card is good for mythtv? it has tv out

[09:19:35]

perlmonkey:

ATI is not best card i know for linux, but ive seen a cheap low profile one which has tv out

[09:20:16]

directhex|work:

perlmonkey, pretty poor all things considered. a reasonable choice 3 years ago

[09:20:21]

perlmonkey:

oh

[09:20:36]

perlmonkey:

not enough mem or just a badly supported card?

[09:20:40]

directhex|work:

perlmonkey, you'll get inferior image quality and higher cpu consumption than a £20 geforce

[09:21:20]

perlmonkey:

thats one to avoid then

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perlmonkey:

how about 16Mb Nvideo TNT2?

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juski:

perlmonkey: ROFLMAO

[09:23:54]

juski:

buy a fx5200

[09:23:55]

perlmonkey:

:D

[09:24:16]

** perlmonkey makes a note but suspects thats gonna be £££ **

[09:24:31]

directhex|work:

perlmonkey, twenty quid

[09:24:39]

perlmonkey:

phew thats not bad

[09:24:45]

directhex|work:

perlmonkey, tv out quality was dreadful before the geforce 5000-series era

[09:25:05]

directhex|work:

some 4000-series were okay, but generally, 5000 are a safe bet

[09:25:13]

perlmonkey:

ok thanks

[09:25:48]

directhex|work:

8000 are current, so this isn't cutting edge tech

[09:25:57]

juski:

boards with either nvidia or conexant TV encoders are lovely

[09:26:20]

directhex|work:

juski, wot, no SiS?

[09:26:23]

juski:

boards with chrontel or phillips tv encoders epitomise the word 'gashness'

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juski:

directhex|work: SiS might make nvidia cards in an OEM factory that have decent encoders on em

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xTs:

Hi

[09:28:04]

xTs:

does mythtv support videotext and schedule recordings with it?

[09:28:13]

juski:

mythtv supports subtitles

[09:28:17]

juski:

not teletext

[09:28:24]

juski:

and it can't get schedule data from teletext

[09:28:47]

juski:

by 'teletext' I mean VBI teletext pages

[09:29:09]

xTs:

yep, thats what i mean.

[09:29:13]

xTs:

hm, why not?

[09:29:19]

juski:

because VBI teletext sucks?

[09:29:39]

xTs:

well, if you've got no epg, you are glad to have it?

[09:29:43]

perlmonkey:

are those geforce fans noisey on the cards? dont they have any passively cooled models?

[09:29:49]

juski:

perlmonkey: what fans?

[09:29:49]

xTs:

showview sucks, much more...

[09:29:57]

perlmonkey:

i see a big fan on the 5200

[09:30:04]

xTs:

perlmonkey: there're passively cooled one.

[09:30:06]

juski:

perlmonkey: I see no fan on my 5200 cards

[09:30:22]

xTs:

(i see no fan on my 7950 GT ;)

[09:30:25]

perlmonkey:

damn maybe im mistaken, is that a big heatsink

[09:30:33]

perlmonkey:

oh

[09:30:37]

juski:

maybe the pictures are wrong. check before paying

[09:30:41]

perlmonkey:

ok

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xTs:

juski: two things why teletext should be supported: Not all analog cable providers send epg and not everywhere is a network connection

[09:32:51]

juski:

I suppose it isn't supported because: nobody has written it in yet! :)

[09:34:22]

xTs:

well, vdr supports it... and i'm opportune ;)

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Dagmar:

juski: Okay, I actually fired up Mepo for the first time last night...

[09:37:06]

Dagmar:

Now I think we need to sue that guy

[09:37:42]

Dagmar:

He's _clearly_ got some kind of machine for extracting data from servers in the future, and he should be doing something more productive with it (like getting me stock market info)

[09:38:16]

Dagmar:

It seriously irks me that not only did the guy clearly do things no one knew it would do yet, his little mascot freaking animates

[09:39:10]

directhex|work:

perlmonkey, there are hundreds of models of passively cooled nvidia. i've never seen an active 5200

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Dagmar:

5200's were about half and half

[09:39:39]

Dagmar:

I've got one that's passive and one with a fan on it

[09:39:50]

Dagmar:

...it's not much of a fan tho'

[09:40:03]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, the animation is a basic flipbook. lots o' pngs, one after another. it's a cheap way of doing it, but certainly cute

[09:40:17]

perlmonkey:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . d=1&rd=1 <-- this one looks like fan cooled eh

[09:40:35]

directhex|work:

oh, agp

[09:40:49]

directhex|work:

i forgot all about agp

[09:40:58]

perlmonkey:

i gotta use agp

[09:41:00]

directhex|work:

yes, that looks like a full-profile actively cooled 5200

[09:41:14]

Dagmar:

directhex: ...and it's the first time I've seen anything do that, AND it's the trick I need to make my LCARS theme convincing

[09:41:57]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, other than converting myth to run on positronic circuitry?

[09:45:44]

juski:

Dagmar: I told you – it's like he wrote the fscking UI

[09:45:55]

Dagmar:

I think you're getting your Asimov and your Roddenberry confused

[09:46:04]

Dagmar:

juski: i think he's stealing data from servers in the future somehow

[09:46:10]

juski:

shock, horror! theme creator reads source code!

[09:46:13]

Dagmar:

God only knows who really wrote it

[09:46:45]

juski:

I've no idea where he found out about the flipbook animation stuff.

[09:46:50]

juski:

other than in the source

[09:47:03]

juski:

we should ask zd next time he's in here

[09:47:38]

Dagmar:

I was _very_ ungracious about it whne I saw it

[09:47:49]

juski:

I still think flipbook animation shouldn't be encouraged though

[09:47:58]

Dagmar:

"Lookit 'im! Just standing there waving his damn aerial around like he's not a care in the world..."

[09:50:47]

juski:

I hate him with a passion. cute little fsckwer

[09:51:18]

juski:

and he's nicked from Media Portal

[09:51:59]

Dagmar:

Umm... I think he did those themes for MP too

[09:52:23]

hads:

Hmm "Could not find widget to detach" interesting.

[09:52:48]

juski:

Dagmar: no he didn't.

[09:56:29]

juski:

come to think of it, it's gonna be much more humane to torture Mepo than kill kittens. probably mroe rewarding too

[09:57:16]

gbee:

go with that

[09:57:42]

** gbee un-hides his kitten **

[09:58:01]

juski:

don't piss me off, or little Mepo gets it!

[09:58:05]

juski:

muhahahaha

[09:58:35]

Dagmar:

Awesome. I have started a total shitstorm on a local LJ

[09:58:50]

Dagmar:

...and all I had to do was come out in support of bikini baristas

[09:59:20]

Dagmar:

There's a radical feminist on there, and I love tormenting those people

[09:59:47]

Dagmar:

How do I know this? 'cuz she does custom fashion designs, models her stuff, and then basically _glares_ at the camera.

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[10:25:41]

juski:

oh so she's one of those emo lesbian types

[10:25:54]

juski:

where is it? I might join up & have a troll around for a bit

[10:26:52]

Dagmar:

http://community.livejournal.com/nashvillians/

[10:28:33]

Dagmar:

I don't know about lesbian (nor do I care) but I definitely get the impression from this and past postings that basically she views any males who consider females attractive to be savage animals

[10:28:58]

Dagmar:

I mean damn, why model your own clothes and *glare* at the camera? That just doesn't even make sense

[10:29:59]

juski:

you can't have a great emo profile without glaring at the camera

[10:30:05]

Dagmar:

I guess

[10:30:14]

Dagmar:

I suspect it's a personal image problem

[10:30:24]

Dagmar:

She's not ugly, but I think *she* thinks she is

[10:30:49]

juski:

I blame myspaz for everything

[10:42:02]

Aquahallic:

Mornin' folks

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Hugolp:

Hi

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** timte looks for a good looking htpc case **

[11:11:37]

directhex|work:

abandon hope!

[11:12:00]

timte:

:)

[11:12:54]

timte:

mCubed HFX1 is the best one so far, but it's expensive

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juski:

they're either ugly, the size of wardrobes, or both usually

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directhex|work:

you forgot the bl00 leds

[11:17:48]

directhex|work:

there are three schools of thought in cases as far as i can see. the "small atx" school, the "like a hi-fi separate, but usually the size of a bus" school, and the "CUBES! 8D" school

[11:17:49]

juski:

and the bloo tubes

[11:18:01]

directhex|work:

s/cases/htpc cases/

[11:18:28]

quicksilver:

I went for the 'bus-sized hi-fi separate' look

[11:18:36]

quicksilver:

room for lots of nice hard disks and stuff

[11:19:28]

timte:

I will go with that too

[11:20:23]

timte:

but there are many tough choices to make, such as should there be play/next/stop/pause buttons :)

[11:20:29]

quicksilver:

nope

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directhex|work:

there's a staggering array of prettiness and crap in all the categories

[11:20:34]

quicksilver:

you have a remote control

[11:20:41]

quicksilver:

why would you want to go up to the box?

[11:20:47]

quicksilver:

(only to insert an optical disk, mostly)

[11:20:57]

directhex|work:

quicksilver, to turn it off!

[11:21:06]

timte:

quicksilver: true

[11:21:12]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: can do that with remote also..

[11:21:23]

juski:

rofl.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/17/lara_croft_bust/

[11:21:25]

quicksilver:

(but mine is a combined FE/BE so I don't turn it off anyhow)

[11:21:37]

directhex|work:

quicksilver, not in a sensible manner. but there was somethng of an opposition to me patching it to change that

[11:22:22]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: irexec shutdown -h now seems perfectly sensible to me

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: all the feedback here seemed perfectly in favour of your suggested change. But the existing solution works fine for me

[11:23:07]

directhex|work:

quicksilver, assuming you never slip when pressing buttons on the remote

[11:25:07]

timte:

is it possible to set it up so that you need a double click?

[11:25:26]

timte:

or press

[11:26:09]

directhex|work:

who'd want that?

[11:26:28]

quicksilver:

well it would solve the accidental click problem ;)

[11:26:41]

quicksilver:

it would be easy enough to get it to launch a 'confirm' script

[11:26:42]

timte:

precisely, you would want that directhex :)

[11:27:09]

directhex|work:

timte, lies! i'm just a trouble starter!

[11:27:39]

timte:

:)

[11:27:49]

directhex|work:

i'll wait for my current pending shutdown-related patch to be committed before rocking the boat some more

[11:30:32]

juski:

isn't the current shutdown stuff sufficient anyway?

[11:30:38]

juski:

confirm to exit?

[11:30:53]

juski:

don't allow the luser to shutdown if the backend is running?

[11:31:55]

directhex|work:

we've been over this

[11:32:22]

juski:

I can't remember what change you're proposing or even why

[11:32:33]

directhex|work:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3446

[11:32:50]

directhex|work:

that's the first step change

[11:33:08]

directhex|work:

though i think the proposed extended patch is both dumb and badly written

[11:33:40]

juski:

working boxes don't need exit & reboot :)

[11:33:54]

directhex|work:

exit & reboot isn't mine!

[11:34:41]

juski:

just delete his then :)

[11:35:17]

hads:

I can see a situation where it would be useful. I built a freind a box which is dual boot, sometimes he likes to reboot into Windows.

[11:35:46]

juski:

screw the windows lovers :)

[11:36:16]

hads:

Yourself?

[11:36:26]

juski:

anyway – what use is the mythtv-quit-reboot.diff without the associated changes to the database scheme etc?

[11:36:28]

Dagmar:

I'd like to see a patch that reboots without exiting

[11:37:11]

juski:

there's a String reboot_cmd = gContext->GetSetting("RebootCommand", but nothing to insert such a setting in the database. nice one

[11:37:20]

juski:

eejit

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directhex|work:

juski, i said it was badly written

[11:37:51]

directhex|work:

juski, whilst my patch is sweetness and light, of course

[11:37:55]

juski:

lol there's badly written & not even remotely finished :)

[11:38:00]

Dagmar:

Harmony and bunnies

[11:38:33]

juski:

directhex|work: have somebody in authority scrape that barnacle off your ticket if I were you :0

[11:39:14]

Dagmar:

Or, to be more snarky, submit a patch that completely reverts the previous patch

[11:39:16]

directhex|work:

juski, and his patch is incompatible with mine, so he really hasn't gotten the gist of what i'm doing

[11:39:32]

juski:

it's like putting a patch in to make a setup widget enable 9-way PiP but don't include the code that actually _does_ it

[11:39:45]

directhex|work:

new patches for new tickets, ffs!

[11:39:58]

hads:

Yay ccache!

[11:40:22]

** juski sends in his 'enable/disable 3D whizzbang GUI features' patch **

[11:40:46]

** directhex|work counters with his holographics 3d projector support patch **

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juski:

"I did a dumb thing and accidentally deleted some of my mythmusic

[11:46:03]

juski:

tables. "

[11:46:07]

juski:

rofl

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Dagmar:

that takes, what, 10s to fix?

[11:46:58]

juski:

accidentally deleted.. my bum.

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Dagmar:

juski: There's a job at the White House for you then

[11:47:22]

juski:

like I accidentally rm -rf'd my HDD once. the rm -rf wasn't an accident. the fact I put a slash in the wrong place was the accident

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juski:

users. pfft

[11:50:43]

juski:

finally neon-wide is starting to appear in search queries :)

[11:53:42]

Dagmar:

You need to use deltree

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Dagmar:

Preferably deltree /y

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directhex|work:

i wrote a command shell in basic, and i was testing my confirmation on del *.*

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directhex|work:

but forgot i had a "cd c:dos" somewhere earlier

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idler_:

does the backend come with a little crontab script that checks if it's still running and restarts in case it died?

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fryfrog:

no, but it'd be easy enough to write

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gbee:

idler_: no, it's generally assumed that if your backend keeps dying that there is a problem with it that needs fixing

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fryfrog:

i have one for mythfrontend

[12:16:22]

gbee:

but as fryfrog says, it's easy enough to write one

[12:16:33]

idler_:

it is easy to write but I don't like reinventing wheels :)

[12:17:26]

fryfrog:

its 3 lines, tops

[12:20:32]

idler_:

mythwiki helps, too

[12:20:33]

gbee:

spooky, I was just about to criticise someone who had used that exact phrase in a wishlist posting "Why reinvent the wheel?" Well I'm not sure a modern car with wheels made from large logs would work terribly well?

[12:21:50]

gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Fe . . . ;oldid=23143

[12:24:20]

gbee:

I like their rationale, that because uPnP is still under development in Mythtv and for that reason doesn't work perfectly, that it should really just be abandoned in favour of a nasty hack to allow third party uPnP servers to work

[12:26:28]

directhex|work:

i still haven't made it to, well, anything

[12:27:06]

directhex|work:

except mount in djmount

[12:27:38]

Daviey:

juski, I'm getting some t-shirts made – "I love MythTV very much & find it hard to imagine my life without it. " — Juski

[12:27:48]

Dagmar:

CafePress

[12:29:05]

Dibblah:

"Eliminate the need to store files in a MySQL database"...?

[12:29:12]

Dagmar:

Done!

[12:29:14]

Dibblah:

Uhuh.

[12:29:20]

Dagmar:

No files are stored in the MySQL database.

[12:29:23]

Dibblah:

The wishlist needs some cleaning up.

[12:29:28]

directhex|work:

"MythTV is my friend. MythTV will not bite me or lock me in the basement"

[12:29:42]

Dibblah:

Shockingly enough, I know that. Binary blobs are evil.

[12:29:46]

Dagmar:

"...unless I ask it to and provide a safe word"

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directhex|work:

the wishlist needs a "stupid" filter applied to it

[12:30:05]

juski:

!trout Daviey

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** MythLogBot slaps Daviey with a trout on behalf of juski... **

[12:30:09]

Dagmar:

You just need to put more effort into mocking the people with the blatantly dumb suggestions

[12:30:49]

juski:

Dagmar: they call those people 'users' where I come from

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juski:

the community: putting the word 'USE' into 'users' since time began

[12:31:29]

Daviey:

(ab)users if you ask me

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directhex|work:

USE? so now we're attacking gentoo users again?

[12:32:02]

Daviey:

no – but it sounds like fun – lets do it

[12:32:04]

juski:

I'd sooner call people who go with gentoo 'compilers' not users

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Daviey:

emege alife :)

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opello:

the typo only adds to the humor

[12:33:02]

** juski is having a bad nicotine-free day today **

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Daviey:

Have you lapsed at all juski ?

[12:33:24]

juski:

I'll be fine when everybody around me is dead

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juski:

Daviey: not even once

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Daviey:

nice work – that must be almost a month

[12:36:02]

Dagmar:

I thought he stopped last week

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, presumably it feels like forever

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Dagmar:

I've heard of that

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gbee:

directhex|work: the wiki wishlist is actually exists for those stupid wishes – if blocked they'd just spill over onto the lists

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directhex|work:

hm, looks like optical express have the best offers at the moment. possibly boots, but it doesn't sound like i can pay for upgrades to a second pair

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The_Ball:

myth believes a recording is in 4:3 when it is actually in 16:9, so when I export with nuvexport the aspect comes out wrong, can I override this without having to update the database everytime?

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directhex|work:

is the recording anamorphic or letterbox?

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The_Ball:

not sure how to tell, when I encode I get a recording with no black lines but in 4:3 format, if I could scale it to 16:9 it would be fine

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juski:

it's been 15 days

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juski:

The_Ball: you set an input connection to be 16:9 or 4:3 – that's how myth determines the aspect ratio of analogue sources

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The_Ball:

juski, this source is a haupage dvb-t dual tuner

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tschak:

morning fellas

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directhex|work:

it's after noon!

[13:11:18]

juski:

ah well. TSWC :)

[13:12:43]

TSCHAKWerk:

it never surprises me anymore when stuff like this is mentioned: "When President George Bush visits Sydney, Australia for the APEC Summit in September, all cell phone calls within the radius of a football field will be suppressed. The president's motorcade will be shadowed by a helicopter equipped with signal-jamming equipment. Terrorists have used mobile phones to detonate remote-controlled bombs in Iraq and elsewhere in the w

[13:12:56]

TSCHAKWerk:

*shakes-head*

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TSCHAKWerk:

then again, maybe they do want them to know,

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, teh terrists hate teh freedum

[13:14:37]

TSCHAKWerk:

. o O (I voted for Nader. *sigh*)

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** TSCHAKWerk laughs... New York sues Dell for poor customer service **

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juski:

stupid fecktard moaning that pressing 'R' in livetv should record in increasing 30 mins increments so he can archive his precious VHS movies to mythtv. piffle

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directhex|work:

how is that sensible in any universe?

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directhex|work:

file it under ctrl-alt-f15 maybe, but r?

[13:20:27]

juski:

just said "mythtv is not a VCR"

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Dagmar:

juski: Mark it "outside of project scope"

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juski:

was actually slightly more helpful & told him to schedule a manual recording for more than the length of time he needs & trim it later in the editor

[13:23:38]

Dagmar:

Still tho, if people are making requests like that it might be time to talk about defining an explicit scope for the project

[13:24:09]

juski:

just slap em

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juski:

& continue slapping em

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Daviey:

nothing is truly out of scope. The initial definition was a 'convergence box'

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directhex|work:

mythtv doesn't clean my dishes :(

[13:49:38]

Daviey:

make a plugin to do it then

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Daviey:

shouldn't be too hard

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Daviey:

Myth can unlock my front door, seriously

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jduggan_:

myth turns all my lights on

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TSCHAKWerk:

myth washes my balls.

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Daviey:

TSCHAKWerk, you a golfer then?

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jduggan_:

wow, have you done a 'how-to' ?

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jduggan_:

Daviey: LOL!

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jduggan_:

:p

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TSCHAKWerk:

was hoping someone would catch that

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehehehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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juski:

if the PC & TV melted in a big house fire would that mean they'd converged?

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bendailey:

well maybe that is why it doesn't work I assumed ATSC had EIT and we know what happens when you assume

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opello:

i think the PSIP contains some guide-like facility?

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gbee:

ATSC has EIT

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bendailey:

I just confirmed that http://www.interactivetvweb.org/tutorial/dtv- . . . t-aeit.shtml

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gbee:

although not all ATSC broadcasts will necessarily include it

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bendailey:

gbee, do you have experience with ATSC or EIT?

[14:09:22]

gbee:

if it's not working then either your missing necessary information from the database, it's not actually enabled or it isn't available

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gbee:

bendailey: EIT

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directhex|work:

go go gadget channels.conf!

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juski:

importing channels.conf files is BAD

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juski:

BAD!

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juski:

until you upgrade to SVN or a later version of -fixies

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gbee:

_BAD_!!!

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bendailey:

I did my channel scan through mythtv setup

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bendailey:

I get messages saying "EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 15–1" about every 5 minutes

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bendailey:

Shouldn't each channel carry its own EIT data?

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bendailey:

I understand it is possible 15 doesn't carry EIT but should with try my other ATSC Channels 21,33 & 39?

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directhex|work:

rach multiplex should carry EIT data, not each channel. in .uk anyway

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bendailey:

sorry I meant multiplex

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bendailey:

s/but should with/but shouldn't myth/

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bendailey:

I have lock on 4 multiplexes each carrying multiples channels

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bendailey:

Can I force myth to try getting EIT data of a different multiplex?

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bendailey:

gbee, do you recieve additional message in mythbackend.log when you sucessful retrieve EIT data?

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gbee:

bendailey: you'll get messages about it inserting events if it finds them, it does this every 5 minutes or every few thousand events, whichever comes first

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bendailey:

gbee, thanks at lieast I will have something to look for in the logs to check on progress as I attempt to get this working

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gbee:

bendailey: it's possible that your network uses a special channel or only carries the data on one multiplex, the easiest way to determine that would be to find someone who is (or isn't) using EIT in your area

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Juski:

Ewrongspelling

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bendailey:

gbee, any suggestions on how or where I can connect with someone in my area?

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Juski:

sexyfriendfinder.com ?

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Dagmar:

Juski: s-y-l-e-r

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TSCHAKWerk:

i prefer koreanmailordergirlfriends.com

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bendailey:

juski, I am happily married and will pass on that

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gbee:

Juski: eh?

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directhex|work:

the koreans are at it now? i knew there was good old-fashioned price warring going on between thailand and russia...

[14:30:57]

TSCHAKWerk:

heheheh

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Juski:

gbee: he asked if you knew how he could hook up with people in his area..

[14:31:06]

Juski:

:-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

well the thais export more shemales than females, but, I digress...

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gbee:

Juski: it was actually the spelling bit which confused me. It's pretty easy to confuse me right now, I'm struggling to stay awake ;)

[14:32:10]

Juski:

gbee: wait til Heroes comes to BBC2 :)

[14:32:32]

gbee:

ok ;)

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Dagmar:

This last weekend was hard

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Juski:

there's a guy who can cut people's heads off just by pointing at them

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Juski:

*the top of people's heads off *

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Juski:

it's a neat trick. I've been practising

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehehe

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** TSCHAKWerk listens to Erasure: The Innocents, and continues working. **

[14:35:18]

Juski:

coincidence. put that on my car hdd this morning

[14:35:40]

TSCHAKWerk:

probably their most solid album.

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Juski:

they're touring again this year allegedly

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Juski:

might finally get to go see em before they die

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** directhex|work can't think of anyone he wants to see live right now **

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TSCHAKWerk:

andy's dress (yes, pun VERY INTENDED) can freak people out if they've not been prepared for it

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Dagmar:

Maybe really boring people

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Dagmar:

A guy in a dress is nothing new

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TSCHAKWerk:

so gay that even Richard Simmons is saying, "okay girlgfriend, that's too much, could you tone it down a bit mmkay?"

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** Juski would like to see Dido _dead_ **

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Dagmar:

lol

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TSCHAKWerk:

Dagmar: no, but let's just say it's one of his schtiques to push it just as far as it will go.

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Juski:

camp is ok

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TSCHAKWerk:

myself, I'm more of a fan of Vince Clarke. (although Andy's voice is AMAZING)

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TSCHAKWerk:

but this time as video game chip music nostalgia.

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directhex|work:

blip blip blorp?

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Juski:

even the guy pushing Girls Aloud's buttons is using analogue synth noises

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TSCHAKWerk:

ALL YOUR SAWTOOTH ARE BELONG TO US.

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directhex|work:

blip blip, yo'!

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planktonboy:

just ordered an upgrade for my Scope cards today

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TSCHAKWerk:

Scope?

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Juski:

you heard that fscking nasty ragge tune wot nicks orf of Rozalla? it's mingy

[14:50:17]

planktonboy:

www.soniccore.com

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Juski:

bringing new meaning to the word 'plugins' eh

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planktonboy:

yup

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TSCHAKWerk:

planktonboy: ah beautiful. I use a mesh of VSTi and LADSPA stuff these days.

[14:51:48]

planktonboy:

cool

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TSCHAKWerk:

which i plan to sell off eventually.

[14:52:02]

planktonboy:

yeah?

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planktonboy:

right

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TSCHAKWerk:

yeah, when I can do a CS-80 in software, why should I keep the hardware?

[14:52:33]

planktonboy:

they are bit on the heavy side

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TSCHAKWerk:

especially when I can't hear the difference?

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TSCHAKWerk:

not to mention good god I have to maintenance them every year.

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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planktonboy:

I know, they've come a long way

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Dagmar:

Because some fucker will pay you a lot of money for it on eBay

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Juski:

I likes me reason. it does me

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Dagmar:

People pay sick money for 303's

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TSCHAKWerk:

planktonboy: my primary plugins these days are PPG Wave 2.V and impOSCAR....

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TSCHAKWerk:

when I first heard PPG, I damn near cried, because I had sold my 2.3 and Waveterm, and EVU about 10 years earlier.. and god did I miss them.

[14:54:01]

planktonboy:

impOSCAR is cool and their Oddity synth

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planktonboy:

yeah

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TSCHAKWerk:

the Microwave is a good replacement, but it's still not the same as a dedicated PPG...

[14:54:20]

TSCHAKWerk:

and yeah... god Oddity is DEAD ON

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TSCHAKWerk:

I have a Rev1 Odyssey (White)

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TSCHAKWerk:

and it's uncanny the resemblence.

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planktonboy:

yeah the PPG vsti was one of the first decent soft synths

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Juski:

how does Reason compare with them then? not a patch?

[14:55:22]

TSCHAKWerk:

I also use ZynaddsubFX, SSM, and a few other open source synths as well

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's all just part of the toolset :-)

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Juski:

I imagine not since Oddity costs £££££

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planktonboy:

I bought the Solaris Scope device a while back and now the guy behind it, John Bowen has built a hardware version of that

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TSCHAKWerk:

Juski: reason is an excellent sequencer, I'd just load other VSTis into it...

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planktonboy:

looks awesome

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TSCHAKWerk:

planktonboy: awesome :-)

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TSCHAKWerk:

Juski: I can get oddity for about $99 now

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Juski:

reminds me I need to find the big bottom plugin I used to use for my v/o recording

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TSCHAKWerk:

which is a steal because a Oddysey on RapeBay costs $3000

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planktonboy:

thats the only thing...my music PC is worth more than all the other stuff in my house put together :)

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Juski:

maybe when I have my new wide monitor I'll buy a decent vocal mike & digital pre

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planktonboy:

oh well

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TSCHAKWerk:

planktonboy: and it still costs less than the Synclavier I used 15 years ago

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planktonboy:

touchee

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planktonboy:

was just about to say

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planktonboy:

:)

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Juski:

I made the 'music' in the promo video without the help of a keyboard

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TSCHAKWerk:

and those things... so strange, because on one hand, they were overbuilt all to hell, and flexible

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Juski:

damnit never again

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TSCHAKWerk:

on the otehr, they were maddening to use

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TSCHAKWerk:

(I do miss the lightpen editing feature of the Fairlight, Page 4 and 6)

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Juski:

I should ask you guys to make a new music bed for the video :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

Juski: just be glad you didn't have to input sequences onto an early digital sequencer, with nothing more than a keypad and a hex display.

[14:59:17]

Juski:

do a proper job for the 4.5 minutes

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planktonboy:

hehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

I wanted to kill the fucking clueless fucker who designed the MC-4/8

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TSCHAKWerk:

Juski: ok :-D

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planktonboy:

damn..still not working...just been trying to get feisty running n my Dell XPS laptop and it keeps shutting down when it goes past the temp trip

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Juski:

TSCHAKWerk: it can't be hard to do better than I did

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TSCHAKWerk:

doing backing music is actually difficult in my opinion, because you don't want it to overpower the content focus.... at the same time, you don't want it to be too bland to be forgettable....

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planktonboy:

Edgy worked fine

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planktonboy:

yeah backing music has to complement the subject matter too and sometimes thats not easy to get exactoly right

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Juski:

!search juski mpg janneg

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Juski:

can't remember where the video lives at the mo

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planktonboy:

anyways, I gotta go, but bbl

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planktonboy:

chers guys

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planktonboy:

cheers even :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

planktonboy: later man

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Juski:

!search juski promo video

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Juski:

gah not worky

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mboman:

I need some help with getting MythTV working on Ubuntu 7.04 using PVR150

[15:05:25]

planktonboy:

TSCHAKWerk I'm Just getting the upgraded version of the Pro One for the Scope card today hopefully

[15:05:33]

TSCHAKWerk:

planktonboy: nice :-)

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TSCHAKWerk:

I kept my pro-one for years

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planktonboy:

the same guy that worked on the original Pro One and SCI

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planktonboy:

at I mean

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TSCHAKWerk:

until the keys fell off.

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TSCHAKWerk:

planktonboy: dave smith?

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mboman:

My problem is the remote control to start with

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planktonboy:

John Bowen

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planktonboy:

he worked with Daave Smith

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TSCHAKWerk:

oh yeah,

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Juski:

mboman: see the ubuntu community docs. read them

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TSCHAKWerk:

he did the software env for the prophet 600 too

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planktonboy:

yeah

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planktonboy:

nice bloke too

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TSCHAKWerk:

cool

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mboman:

Juski: I did that, remote still not being recognized

[15:07:13]

Juski:

right reckon it's hometime

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TSCHAKWerk:

mboman: usual drill, anything interesting in dmesg ? logs ?

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planktonboy:

also hhhhopefully getting my Nova-T tuners later too

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

I bought

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planktonboy:

the delivery guy came at 8 this morning

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TSCHAKWerk:

a Zalman HD160 case

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planktonboy:

and I was still in bed

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planktonboy:

didnt hear him

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TSCHAKWerk:

and part of me is going, "dude, this is fucking awesome"

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planktonboy:

:(

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planktonboy:

oh that reminds me

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TSCHAKWerk:

and I still need to buy the power supply

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mboman:

TSCHAKWerk: nothing really. Driver registered, that's all. 'lsinput' doesn't list it

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TSCHAKWerk:

hum

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Str1ker:

anyone have any idea what i'm missing?

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planktonboy:

any idea how to stop my mythpc remote from seemingly going to sleep when I dint use the machine for a little while

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TSCHAKWerk:

?? don't have that problem.

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TSCHAKWerk:

then again, I'm not using an MCE remote yet

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planktonboy:

then when I go to use it later it takes quite a while for the remote to wake up

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TSCHAKWerk:

although i did get one with the pc

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm using the remote that came with my pvrusb2

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planktonboy:

Nova-T remote yeah

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TSCHAKWerk:

huh

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TSCHAKWerk:

i don't...have...that problem

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planktonboy:

but it must be a lirc issue

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TSCHAKWerk:

*nod*

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TSCHAKWerk:

I use the current svn of lirc

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planktonboy:

the PC itself isnt asleep

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planktonboy:

I'll do some more searching on google

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** TSCHAKWerk makes a note to test the ability for the HTPC to suspend and hibernate. **

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planktonboy:

ok chaps

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planktonboy:

have fun

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TSCHAKWerk:

ciao.

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planktonboy:

byee :))

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mboman:

TSCHAKWerk: kernel: [56330.045178] lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

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TSCHAKWerk:

hum

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TSCHAKWerk:

and are there any corresponding device connected messages?

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TSCHAKWerk:

not successful driver registrations, just, that something got connected?

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directhex|work:

lsinput? what on earth is lsinput?

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mboman:

not in dmesg, let me check the log file

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: exactly how it sounds, but i've never used the utility.

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TSCHAKWerk:

mboman: "New Device connected at usb-foo ??"

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TSCHAKWerk:

i am paraphrasing slightly

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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quicksilver:

some LIRCish things are also usb-HIDs

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quicksilver:

and some other LIRCish things are USB, although not HIDs

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mboman:

TSCHAKWerk: should be this one: usb 3–1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2

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mboman:

(I don't have any other USB devices connected to the system)

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directhex|work:

i'm so glad i don't use LIRC

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mboman:

TSCHAKWerk: 'lsusb' gives me the following: Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0609:031d SMK Manufacturing, Inc.

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Daviey:

TSCHAKWerk, you a golfer then?

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Daviey:

directhex|work, what do you use then?

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Daviey:

TSCHAKWerk, ignore that – hit the up key accidently

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directhex|work:

Daviey, a homemade driver o/

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Daviey:

shared?

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directhex|work:

bien sur

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directhex|work:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0C8QN3Hux4g

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TSCHAKWerk:

mboman: humm, you may have fallen through the cracks.

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TSCHAKWerk:

mboman: may be a new remote controller chip that needs to be supported?

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Dagmar:

Interesting aspect ratio

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Dagmar:

That's a bluetooth remote, right?

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Daviey:

directhex|work, i couldn't watch the vid until the end.. seemed exciting tho

[15:25:10]

Dagmar:

Why the hell is it being pointed at the display

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, um, yeah. turns out when recording videos on my phobile, i need to hold it portrait to record landscape (despite what's shown on the screen)

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, it's being held so you can see the buttons being pressed and the screen at the same time. being bluetooth i could be pointing it up the chimney if it made for good video

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mboman:

TSCHAKWerk: the problem is that it was working fine when I was using Gentoo

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Dagmar:

You know what makes for better video?

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Dagmar:

Getting a chick in a bikini to push the buttons

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Dagmar:

...and then lick the remote

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Daviey:

directhex|work, what did you write the driver in?

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, recording videos with a mobile phone at 1am is non-fun. especially when you realise the only way to get the video off the phone is over bluetooth, and your only dongle is in use on a machine without the appropriate apps installed

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TSCHAKWerk:

hey, it works for G4TV

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Dagmar:

You do that, and you'll get coverage like you wouldn't believe

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Daviey:

Does it simulate keypresses or hook into myth's lirc?

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directhex|work:

Daviey, python :x

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directhex|work:

Daviey, keypress injection

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Daviey:

directhex|work, guess so :)

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Daviey:

> 100 lines of code ;)

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directhex|work:

Daviey, i don't like pythin, but it had bindings and some very rudimentary early work by other people

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Daviey:

It is kinda crazy that lirc doesn't work in userspace

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Daviey:

why on earth does it need to be kernel level?!

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directhex|work:

Daviey, lirc is a throwback to the 2.2 kernel era

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Daviey:

:)

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directhex|work:

Daviey, and a lot of my lines of code are X keycodes and so on. it's a mess of a driver, but it works

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TSCHAKWerk:

before the cluebat was wielded en-masse to kernel people

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directhex|work:

hm, another engineer visit tomorrow, to swap out a fibre HBA

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mboman:

Time to get some shuteye. I have as policy not to work on computers when the keyboard looks like a nice pillow replacement

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TSCHAKWerk:

mboman: for me, it's when I try to pick up the coke can with the mouse pointer

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TSCHAKWerk:

;-)

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Daviey:

directhex|work, i'm hoping you gpl and publish your code – so others can extend it

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mboman:

'nite folks

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directhex|work:

Daviey, i have no concerns about doing so – the licensing right now is a bit, well, violatey – one of the sources of info is based on another GPL script, but didn't declare itself to be GPL. i need to get around to clearing that up with the author of that modified script

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Daviey:

I've done some serial work with python... and that is just as easy

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Daviey:

suspect we could start a python/lirc replacement

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directhex|work:

ick, python :'(

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Daviey:

coming from a C++ & Java background – i actually like python

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Daviey:

Only thing i don't like – you can't easily typecast

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** TSCHAKWerk comes from the opposite school, SmallTalk and Objective-C **

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directhex|work:

i dislike the lack of some basic things like switch statements, and enforced whitespace conventions

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directhex|work:

generally, i dislike it for being immature, too

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TSCHAKWerk:

(although I have a lot of experience with over 30 languages, including assembler on various processors)

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directhex|work:

perl's got more age behind it, but we're still talking about sysadmin duct tape

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TSCHAKWerk:

see, this is always the rub, isn't it?

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's always "does it ship with every linux distribution out there?" that's always the deal breaker

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Dagmar:

What? Because perl ships with everything it's bad?

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directhex|work:

no, perl's bad because only the original author of the code has the faintest idea what the hell a script does

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directhex|work:

and only if he's lucky

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directhex|work:

;)

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Dagmar:

Ah I see

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TSCHAKWerk:

perl tends to make obfusicated code, yes...

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Dagmar:

Your problem is jealousy

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TSCHAKWerk:

but it is powerufl..

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TSCHAKWerk:

powerful..

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Dagmar:

Fools make obfuscated code

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Dagmar:

...and people who can't read call things obfuscated

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TSCHAKWerk:

yes, that's also true

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TSCHAKWerk:

but, the language does have a hand in that as well

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Merlin83b:

It's quite possible to write very clear Perl, as it is in any language

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Dagmar:

There's nothing obfuscated about say, s/[ ]$//g;

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Dagmar:

You either know regexps or you _don't_

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directhex|work:

Merlin83b, it's possible, sure.

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TSCHAKWerk:

but most DON'T.

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Dagmar:

You don't call C obfuscated if you don't know C.

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Merlin83b:

TSCHAKWerk: Then they need to learn them before calling them obfuscated.

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directhex|work:

you do if you're part of the annula obfuscated c contest

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TSCHAKWerk:

compare that, to the Ruby community, which tends to have a very zen like philosophy to writing code.. this is a community-wide discipline that's the norm rather than the exception...

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TSCHAKWerk:

python has this too

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directhex|work:

how aboot PHP?

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Daviey:

Dagmar, uncommented C code IS obfuscated – have you seen berly src?

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: some of the worst code i've ever seen in web apps, is php, but also some of the best too.

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Dagmar:

Who is Berly?

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Daviey:

PHP wasn't written with security in mind

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Daviey:

Beryl i mean't >:s

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Dagmar:

Daviey: That much we can figure out from looking at bugtraq

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TSCHAKWerk:

Daviey: no, it wasn't. it was meant for "just getting it up there" in mind.

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Dagmar:

Daviey: Of course _hardware interfaces_ which lack documentation are obfuscated

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TSCHAKWerk:

Daviey: long before the web app developers started adopting basic software engineering practices.

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Dagmar:

...because they have more to do with the hardware than they do the language they're written in

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** TSCHAKWerk writes all his current web app projects in Rails (disclosure) **

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Dagmar:

This doesn't mean that all undocumented code is automatically obfuscated

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** directhex|work hasn't written a web app recently **

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directhex|work:

Daviey, if i can't clear the licensing issues with my script, i'll withdraw it. i think i have a grasp of how to write something like it again.

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Daviey:

I look forward to watching the rest of the video when i get home – i only saw the 'UP' button being used <grin>

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Daviey:

I'll get the whole family to watch it – It's film night methinks

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TSCHAKWerk:

what's the url again?

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TSCHAKWerk:

to the video?

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TSCHAKWerk:

oh wait that one

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TSCHAKWerk:

nevermind

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-D

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directhex|work:

Daviey, actually, thinking about it, at the very least i now know enough of the differences between my script (and what it's based on) and a GPL script higher up the derivative works chain. so i can base off the older source. it's still a bit hackish, and i don't speak python, but who knows

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** directhex|work mutters something about creating a bluez-cil binding **

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: cell phone remote?

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, ps3 remote

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TSCHAKWerk:

oh yeah ok

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Juski:

TSCHAKWerk: just FYI.. watch yer fscking language – new channel policy AFAICT

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TSCHAKWerk:

Juski: oh, ok.

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Beirdo:

yes, scott?

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scott:

hows things?

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Beirdo:

not bad, nice and hot today :)

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scott:

good, good

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Beirdo:

goin out to buy stuff for the wifey for the anniversary (Sunday)

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scott:

at least you remembered

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Juski:

is it a year ago already? eesh!

[16:08:36]

scott:

slavery

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Beirdo:

my mother-in-law will be picking me up in just over half an hour

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Beirdo:

hope my breezy->dapper upgrade is done by then ;)

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scott:

then you can xenify it!

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Beirdo:

nah, got two more upgrades first... -> edgy, -> feisty

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scott:

you forgot the last one -> etch

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Beirdo:

screw Debian :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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scott:

:P

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Beirdo:

don't make me "upgrade" to gentoo

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Beirdo:

muahhaha

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scott:

emerge your world

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Beirdo:

emerge turd?

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scott:

heh

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Beirdo:

I tried gentoo. too much work

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Dagmar:

itchy, fisty

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scott:

so anyone try to setup mythtv on a xen domain?

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juuva:

scott: yep, tried

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scott:

i'm trying to hide my dvb-s card from the dom0 but it doesnt seem to work

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scott:

/i'm/ive/

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xris:

scott: xen domU won't have hardware access to the card

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juuva:

scott: myth tv itself worked nicely but pci-passthrough didn't.. domU died each time when trying to tune

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scott:

gah

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scott:

so i should give up all hope?

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xris:

scott: why bother?

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scott:

to keep everything on one machine?

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scott:

thats what i was afraid of

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xris:

scott: keep everything what, though?

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xris:

myth should run fine in the dom0

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juuva:

or try first in dom0 without hiding card

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scott:

juuva: yeah, thats what i've attempted so far

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juuva:

works?

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scott:

juuva: im using a stock etch kernel, which should have pciack already

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scott:

no, thats where im stuck

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scott:

the card jusdt wont hide

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Beirdo:

argh!

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xris:

scott: try it without hiding first?

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Beirdo:

dovecot won't start up after the upgrade

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juuva:

scott: do you see pciback messages in dmesg?

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scott:

xris: i may have to. xen0 should have minimal services and such if possible

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scott:

juuva: no, i didnt see anything

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TSCHAKWerk:

god life just

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TSCHAKWerk:

sucks

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scott:

er

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xris:

scott: pretty sure that xen 3 never got their hardware passthrough stuff working properly.

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scott:

:(

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TSCHAKWerk:

*sigh* even though I did a perfect job with this contract, they aren't hiring me back because of budget concerns, and the staffing agency I warned two months in advance still has nothing.

[16:20:05]

scott:

dom0 it is then

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xris:

TSCHAKWerk: what kind of work, and what geographical area?

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TSCHAKWerk:

xris: I can pretty much do anything hardware, or software, i'm a macgyver type.. living in Boston (Cambridge)

[16:21:41]

TSCHAKWerk:

I just wanna save up money so i can get back into school and start working towards getting a Ph.D someday :-(

[16:21:44]

scott:

i need food

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xris:

TSCHAKWerk: ahh.

[16:22:38]

xris:

well, my company's hiring, but we're in seattle.

[16:23:10]

TSCHAKWerk:

xris: well, my lease in boston is up in sept. :-)

[16:23:34]

xris:

might still be hiring by then. we're growing like crazy.

[16:23:49]

thypernaye:

Anyone know of a place where I can see what companys work well with Myth? For instance, I know Comcast works, but Dish is a little trickier. A list of services that work easily with Myth.

[16:23:49]

TSCHAKWerk:

ok

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xris:

TSCHAKWerk: siliconmechanics.com (jobs/careers link on the left)

[16:24:20]

TSCHAKWerk:

xris: thanks.

[16:24:35]

xris:

thypernaye: nope. and it's not always that simple, either. cable support is regional (well, for digital)

[16:24:51]

xris:

TSCHAKWerk: you should get into linkedin.com, too.

[16:24:52]

juuva:

scott: check what grep CONFIG_XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND /boot/config-`uname -r` shows on that dom0

[16:24:54]

TSCHAKWerk:

thypernaye: in short, you never know until you are right in the thick of it.

[16:25:08]

TSCHAKWerk:

xris: i do have an account there....... i think.

[16:25:28]

thypernaye:

Huh. OK, thanks. I'll keep pushing through. :)

[16:25:48]

TSCHAKWerk:

thypernaye: setting up HD?

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xris:

TSCHAKWerk: their ff toolbar thingie apparently has some really cool job searching features.

[16:26:32]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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thypernaye:

I wish. Just a simple knoppmyth through Dish Satellite. It's harder than I had though. I might need to look into IR Blaster or something.

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Juski:

thypernaye: nevermind 'might'.. there's no other way unless you can find a receiver with a working serial port

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Como|Lappy:

what was that command that downloaded all of the program data? my mythbox doesnt appear to have any idea whats playing

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quicksilver:

mythfilldatabase

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Como|Lappy:

ahh, fill

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Juski:

Como|Lappy: fill myth base data?

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Como|Lappy:

i tried populate :(

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scott:

juuva:

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scott:

CONFIG_XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND=y

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scott:

CONFIG_XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND_VPCI=y

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scott:

# CONFIG_XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND_PASS is not set

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scott:

# CONFIG_XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND_SLOT is not set

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Como|Lappy:

thanks

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TSCHAKWerk:

....

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TSCHAKWerk:

setting up MythTV on a Xen box??

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TSCHAKWerk:

*scratches-head*

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scott:

yes!

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juuva:

so it's compiled in..

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scott:

on a DomU

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thypernaye:

Thanks Juski. I'll start looking for one (IR Blaster).

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TSCHAKWerk:

scott: curious.... why?

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juuva:

scott: did you got mythtv/that pci-card working on dom0?

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scott:

juuva: no, not yet

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scott:

just built the server

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Dagmar:

RAWR

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TSCHAKWerk:

OMG skary li0n lolz!

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** TSCHAKWerk runs!! **

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scott:

TSCHAKWerk: to consolidate all my servers

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Dagmar:

Actually, that was a domo-kun

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TSCHAKWerk:

scott: ok

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juuva:

scott: how did you try to hide pci-card from dom0?

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scott:

juuva: i'll have to check when i get home... it was some kernel option that i passed in grub

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scott:

thanks

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juuva:

buggy hauppauge dvb-t card, but it might happen with other cards aswell

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scott:

nod

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scott:

couldnt even tell you which one i have atm

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scott:

just a generic card

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sajid:

If most of the time you are going to be getting a Standard Definition signal, but you want HD support in case you later get HD signal, is there any downside to using HD cap cards?

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anykey_:

price?

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Dagmar:

That they might not necessarily tune SD?

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sajid:

nothing else?

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sajid:

that would be a bad one

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sajid:

what about the ones used in Dragon?

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sajid:

err what are they called

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sajid:

the Airstars

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fx_:

Hi everyone! :) New user here, I've got some Linux knowledge and cannot wait to build an HTPC for myself based on the OS.. However, just had a quick question for DVB-S users. I already own a StarBox II USB device for Windows, and it does its job fine, but I've gotta admit I don't think it would work too smoothly in Linux.. So I'm looking at local DVB retailers and they seem to either be stocking the DIGIWAVE 103g (Twinhan Clone) or

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directhex:

fx_, have you checked the linuxtv wiki r.e. device support?

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fx_:

I can't seem to get straight answers from my searches on which is the better card, the 103g or 1020a

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fx_:

directhex: Yes I tried looking at it, it doesnt even seem to list the 103g there, so that means its not supported I guess?

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scott:

fx_: http://www.curious-contraptions.com/forums/sh . . . .php?t=27781

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fx_:

Ah, thanks.. So 103g is no-good I guess :(

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scott:

doesnt look like it

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** directhex has added a network card to his backend **

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directhex:

oi xris, shouldn't the "scan collection" button in mythweb/video do something?

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xris:

scan which collection?

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directhex:

video collection. and i found it, "-readable" ain't a valid syntax for "find" in /mythweb/modules/video/scan.php

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directhex:

hm, must be more, that hasn't fixed it

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Dagmar:

Find just recently had it's api changed with respect to -perm

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Dagmar:

I'm sure xris will love to hear that if he hasn't already

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directhex:

he's hearing it now ;)

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directhex:

Dagmar, t'is zdzisekg!

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thoraxe:

may i ask a question about lvm?

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thoraxe:

if you add a disk to an lvm volume and expand it, and that disk takes a poop... is the whole lvm volume destroyed?

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directhex:

not used LVM. real raid and MD only

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directhex:

and i never really got MD

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directhex:

Dagmar, okay, now i'm confused. i don't see why collection scanning wouldn't work after switching to "-perm -444"

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Dagmar:

I do.

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directhex:

feel like explaining? the code seems fine reading it in my head

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Dagmar:

This is where find breaks a little

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Dagmar:

You want something equivalent to bash/perl's -r switch, right?

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Dagmar:

Basically, if readable then...

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directhex:

by "you want" i think it's more "one wants". or " * @author $Author: xris $" wants

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Dagmar:

If you say -perm -444, then the thing has to be at least 333.

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Dagmar:

er s/333/444/;

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Dagmar:

Meaning owned by you and 400 won't cut it

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xris:

directhex: kormoc is the one handling that, and he's aware of the issue (there's a bug in trac about it)

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directhex:

so "-perm /a+r " ?

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Dagmar:

No thta runs into the same problem

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Dagmar:

There's no direct analog of -r from bash/perl without a _complex_ expression being handed to find

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Dagmar:

You basically have to say "readable by all, or readable by group and I'm in the group, or readable by me and owned by me"

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Dagmar:

Joy

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Dagmar:

Probably simpler to just invoke find three times, but definitely slower that way

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Dagmar:

You could maybe make a wrapper that does it with bash and a for loop

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Dagmar:

It might be somewhat correct to just look for world-readable files but then that would allow someone to bypass the porno filter

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directhex:

noo! my boobies! :(

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directhex:

oh fudge, i've worked out the problem

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directhex:

ignoring the -perm thing entirely, there's a second bug

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directhex:

i'm on a roll today!

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directhex:

hint: the buggy line is " if (strpos(`file -ib $file`, 'video') === FALSE)"

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** directhex files a bug against juski **

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juski:

huh?

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juski:

theme bugs with screenshots to my email address

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directhex:

nah, just generally.

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juski:

oh wait you're saying *I* have bugs...

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juski:

yeha they're WIP I'm afraid

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directhex:

i've been filing an awful lot of bugs lately. #3473 filed

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juski:

one day I'll be perfect just like you – don't worry :)

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directhex:

it's hard being such a sexpot :|

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directhex:

argh, why does trac keep stripping from my tickets? does it use CRLF internally or something silly like that?

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mIRCat:

directhex don't give up no matter how hard it is

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directhex:

i shall now go & cook dindins

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juski:

mmm dindins

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gbee:

any ideas if freeview (or whichever consortium actually controls it) plan to use channel numbers 50–69? in the forseeable future?

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juski:

gbee: no idea

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juski:

I start all my cable channels with a '50' prefix

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juski:

I'd have thought 69 was reserved for an adult channel, but hey

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gbee:

right now the cable channels that I bothered to setup mythtv for, use 900 onwards, but that means they appear after all the radio channels on the EPG – so using the currently empty 50–70 block seems like a good idea

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gbee:

juski: they got 96 ;)

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gbee:

or they did before Redhot disappeared

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gbee:

I can't see them launching another 10 or more additional entertainment channels, so I think 50+ is safe for now, unless they decide upon yet another re-numbering shuffle

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squish102:

what would be the minimum memory required for a mythfrontend?

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juski:

3.5GB

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juski:

if you're planning to use blootube-wide at 1080p

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squish102:

and if i use the default one at 720p ;)

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Redth:

i'm starting to worry my config isn't gonna hold up to everything

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juski:

the default theme rather sucks, but at least it doesn't use much RAM

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juski:

I'd recommend at least 256MB

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squish102:

ok, the docs also say 256MB

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squish102:

i just wanted to check if it was similar to the way that microsoft specifies "minumim" requirements

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gardengnome:

well, the microsoft way would be 128M

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gardengnome:

512M will work better, imho

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Beirdo:

after dd'ing over the wrong partition... OOOOPS!

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TSCHAKWerk:

I can vouch for the 3.5GB for mythfrontend using blootube-wide

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juski:

yeah it's not for pussies

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TSCHAKWerk:

i've seen RSS values of up to 1.5G for mythfrontend

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: i have to restart my front end every 3 days because of that theme

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

. o O (watching grass grow....watching pixels draw.....)

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juski:

don't tell me, tell your therapist. _they_ might actually listen :)

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gardengnome:

but it's so slow.

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** gardengnome sobs **

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juski:

hmm do I bother making a comparison matrix for all the pvrs available in the uk ?

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juski:

not much point when mythtv == the daddy

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juski:

rofl. beyondtv... "FM Radio support lets you setup and easily access six preset stations."

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juski:

as many as six?! what's the point of that?

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directhex:

juski, beyondtv is popular!

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juski:

directhex: and er.. why should we care if it's popular or not?

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juski:

I could say.. "but Elisa is being hyped like crazy"

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directhex:

juski, obviously people only want 6 presets!

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juski:

people? oh, people paying money

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Beirdo:

woohoo. restore complete

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kemik:

it's ridiculous, VGA->SCART adatpers costs $80-$100 :/

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juski:

kemik: nvidia fx5200 .. approx $20

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kemik:

juski: well VGA >> SVideo :)

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kemik:

(if your tv can handle it ;) )

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juski:

kemik: BS

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juski:

VGA->SCART adapters do NOT allow your TV to accept normal VGA

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juski:

they convert VGA to PAL or NTSC

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juski:

thereby degrading it to Svideo or composite

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heanol_:

i'm having some problems with my remote in my mythtv.. im using lirc with an ati remote wonder (lirc_atiusb), it works great in the menus but when i watch tv or a movie with mplayer, lirc suddenly gets very picky on where i point the remote and i have to point the remote straight at the receiver

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heanol_:

but in the menus i don't need to

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kemik:

hmm.. really? that's not what ive read.. and not what the screenshots display

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heanol_:

is this a problem with mythtv or lirc?

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heanol_:

really odd..

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juski:

kemik: yup

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juski:

really

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juski:

heanol_: SCART can carry PAL or SECAM over RGB at best, svideo next & then composite

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heanol_:

huh?

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juski:

er.. kemik I mean. ^^^

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heanol_:

;)

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juski:

blimey.. found this randomly looking around google.. http://studwww.ugent.be/~aveys/mythwifi/

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juski:

kemik: if you want VGA, then get a TV which has a VGA input

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directhex:

like mine!

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juski:

and don't believe whatever BS those extortionate sellers of VGA adapters have on their websites

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kemik:

juski: well i'm going to, in the future :)

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kemik:

juski: well, i've just gone to the "DIY" pages :D

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juski:

kemik: best you can do is VGA to RGB PAL

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directhex:

RGB is a nicer signal than svideo though

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juski:

and even then there are bad limitations

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kemik:

juski: well it is to RGB-PAL over a 'scart socket'

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directhex:

it might be a crappy res/refresh, but it's still cleaner

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juski:

like you still need to deinterlace

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kemik:

http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/

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juski:

rgb isn't that much better than svideo

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juski:

it's a damn sight more hassle, for sure :)

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kemik:

well, considering i've got a 10m SCART and a 15pin VGA male and soldering material.. all i need is some great skillz

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juski:

10 metres? yuk!

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gardengnome:

RGB is much better than composite, though. and none of my tv sets support s-video

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juski:

kemik: you need more than great 'skillz'

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directhex:

juski, i certainly noticed an improvement with my gamecube over RGB

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juski:

I don't have the patience for this bat & ball game

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juski:

posturing

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kemik:

juski: havent seen Napoleon Dynamite? :D

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** directhex wonders how to solve #3473 **

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** juski deletes his webshite **

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Dagmar:

Hah

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Dagmar:

the silly radical feminist took the bai

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Dagmar:

r

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kemik:

?

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kemik:

:D

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kemik:

gnite

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Dagmar:

I baited her with an innocuous comment into making a particular argument (dimwits are so predictable) and then dropped Mt. Everest on her for it

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directhex:

link?

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kemik:

yes, link =)

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kemik:

but now bed

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kemik:

dang

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juski:

is dang a real word?

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mIRCat:

in the real world!

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Dagmar:

Yep

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juski:

really?

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gardengnome:

http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dang

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juski:

is that like 'gosh' ?

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Dagmar:

directhex: Yes, I basically sat down and wrote a book on trolling at one point in the past. ;)

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Dagmar:

Every evening when I get up, I make a concious decision to be a good person all the day long, and I think this is a good thing.

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juski:

so if it means 'damn' – why not just say 'damn' since you're effectively saying it anyway?

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gardengnome:

how do you pronounce "CNNHN"

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Dagmar:

juski Becuase 'dang' is more southern

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directhex:

juski, fudge you!

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juski:

yeee haw

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Dagmar:

"See Enn Enn Hed-Line Noose"

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juski:

yeah well fudge people who want the themes. they can wait til I'm more calm

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Beirdo:

dang, boy!

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juski:

this nonsmoking schidt isn't working out

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juski:

I was angry before but God.. .

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mIRCat:

My favourite is Zounds!

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juski:

Now I'm almost postal just about all day long

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Dagmar:

You're not normally fueled by rage?

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juski:

well, way I feel at the minute, I'm ok Jack – I've got my themes thanks

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** Beirdo takes the baseball bat away from juski **

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Beirdo:

no smashing stuff :)

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Beirdo:

that would just be too fun

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juski:

spoilsport

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directhex:

you could smash some pumpkins, i hear that's fun

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Beirdo:

use a cricket bat anyways, more solid, less likely to shatter

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juski:

putting Mepo in a blender,, now there's an idea...

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Beirdo:

go Shaun of the Dead on a computer... now that would be fun

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juski:

ahh smiley again

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Beirdo:

have to "borrow" somebody's old machine to play smashy smashy... I value my own too much :)

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Dagmar:

I have some nice fluorescent bulbs here

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juski:

imagining Mepo in dire straits is actually helping

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Beirdo:

heh

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juski:

I think I can hear the microwave oven door opening..

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** directhex wonders what to do with his old crappy 2-cd xvid dvdrips **

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Beirdo:

frisbee!

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juski:

put very scary images at the end & torrent em?

[21:05:39]

fryfrog:

join em into 1/3 dvd rips?

[21:05:49]

Beirdo:

splice in some random pr0n clips?

[21:06:20]

directhex:

Beirdo, i did that once when i downloaded a movie for a housemate. replaced cd2 with some porn

[21:06:28]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: they already consist of random pr0n clips, i bet

[21:06:29]

Beirdo:

hehe

[21:06:44]

mIRCat:

glue them back to back to make dual layer cd?

[21:06:44]

Beirdo:

fun times...

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directhex:

and "because it was mislabeled as a copy of mulan" if you want to know why i had cd-sized porn movies handy

[21:07:30]

juski:

I have a VHS labelled with 'Beanz means Lez' somewhere still

[21:07:35]

Beirdo:

mulan does tokyo?

[21:07:53]

directhex:

i wanted disney, not alyssa milano having kinky vampire-related sex :x

[21:07:55]

Beirdo:

or was she supposed to have been chinese? I forget

[21:08:01]

juski:

Beirdo: prolly did before Disney sanitised it

[21:08:06]

Beirdo:

what's wrong with ya

[21:08:16]

Dagmar:

directhex: GImme. I'll take care of it for ya

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mIRCat:

Beirdo: Shanhai?

[21:08:53]

mIRCat:

s/shanhai/Shanghai*

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Dagmar:

By the way, I see only danger in labeling your porno as if it were children's movies

[21:09:05]

Dagmar:

Something not very good is bound to happen with that

[21:09:09]

Beirdo:

yeah, I agree, Dagmar...

[21:09:21]

Beirdo:

the kids will get the wrong type of "education"

[21:09:23]

juski:

g/f comes home for the first time & thinks you're retarded or something

[21:09:27]

directhex:

it wasn't my porno! i don't even like alyssa milano! i wanted the kids' movie!

[21:09:42]

directhex:

juski, no, she DOES like alyssa milano :x

[21:09:45]

Dagmar:

Neighbor brings the kids over while you're out and your gf is there...

[21:10:14]

juski:

grown man with DVDs of kids movies on the shelf.. oooo dear oo dear

[21:10:21]

juski:

very suspect

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Beirdo:

Dagmar: even worse... your brother-in-law brings yer neice/nephew over and leaves them with the grandparents

[21:10:40]

Dagmar:

oh dear

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Beirdo:

juski, maybe he has kids? :)

[21:10:52]

directhex:

IME if you worry about the distinction between "kid" and "adult" entertainment, regardless of quality, then you're insecure about something

[21:11:00]

Beirdo:

Mulan was a good movie anywats

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directhex:

that should have been IMHO

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Beirdo:

and I'm not much a fan of Disney slop

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juski:

I've never seen Mulan, and will try to resist Disney indoctrination as long as possible when the kids arrive

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** directhex checks to see how many "kids'" films he has rips of **

[21:12:14]

Beirdo:

resist Barney even more... and the teletubbies

[21:12:21]

juski:

barney is GAY

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juski:

and not in a good way

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directhex:

-rw-r--r-- 1 directhex directhex 2192332795 2007-05–09 18:19 Watership Down.ogm

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directhex:

that's a classic that is!

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juski:

well ok – not gay. I'm no homophobe. maybe 'evil' was the word I should have used

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Beirdo:

Barney's the big purple pedophile

[21:13:04]

gardengnome:

what's the problem with alyssa milano?

[21:13:16]

Beirdo:

too slutty?

[21:13:20]

Dagmar:

Too many clothes

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directhex:

gardengnome, bland white bimbette.

[21:13:35]

directhex:

-rw-r--r-- 1 directhex admin 2189791229 2007-04–12 18:51 The Nightmare Before Christmas.ogm

[21:13:39]

directhex:

that's also a classic!

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Dagmar:

I dread to think what that *really* is

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directhex:

-rw-r--r-- 1 directhex admin 2189007609 2007-04–11 18:44 The Powerpuff Girls Movie.ogm

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directhex:

okay, that one i have no excuse

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Dagmar:

rofl

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juski:

nah they're class

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directhex:

juski, no adult jokes in the film :/

[21:14:41]

juski:

kids tv shows should be suitable for adults

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juski:

directhex: eh? the series' are full of em

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directhex:

juski, i know!

[21:15:04]

juski:

I'd want my money back

[21:15:10]

directhex:

juski, not one joke about bollocks in the movie!

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directhex:

-rw-r--r-- 1 directhex directhex 2200869475 2007-05–09 18:00 Spirited Away.ogm

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directhex:

hayao miyazaki's an artist, i don't need to defent having his movies

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gardengnome:

juuva: sponge bob is

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mojo-jojo:

yeah you got it. I'm a little angry monkey with a bandaged up brain

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directhex:

poop. i screwed up my rip of kiki's delivery service. it's hundreds of megs too small

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm having a problem with the directv.pl script to controll my d11 box. I tell the script to hide the box's OSD so only myth's OSD will display, but it doesn't work

[21:18:12]

JoeyJoeJo:

has anyone else experienced this?

[21:18:23]

JoeyJoeJo:

it used to work a few months ago when I used it

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gardengnome:

juuva: sorry, i meant to talk to juski. blame it on him because he changed his nick :)

[21:18:43]

mojo-jojo:

yeah blame it on me

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directhex:

i blame the gangrene gang

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directhex:

and fuzzy lumpkin

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mojo-jojo:

then when I go postal down the shopping mall you'll see it written in blood on the marble tiles

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mojo-jojo:

actually seeing that written down & reading it makes me realise how freaking tasteless it is

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fx:

Hi all.. question.. I am in the process of building an HTPC for myself, but am wondering how I will get it to display to my TV, since it's just a 32" CRT.. It's a good TV, a sony trinitron, and it has component/composite/s-video in, but no DVI which is what my video card comes with.. How would I get it to display through s-video or something else?

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directhex:

fx, with a graphics card which has svideo out

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directhex:

which is practically any from this millenium, but somehow people still manage

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fx:

Kewl, thanks alot directhex

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fryfrog:

fx: you could *also* hunt down a video card that has a component output, which exist. It'd look better than svideo for sure

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fryfrog:

usually, they use a port that has a breakout box that will do component, svideo and rca

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directhex:

oh, there is that

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imperfect-:

Anyone know if I can turn on some sort of interlacing when using the internal player to view DVD's?

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cal:

isnt mythtv suppost to have LCDd running as well as mythlcdserver?

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juski:

themes are discontinued. it's been an experience

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Beirdo:

poor juski. Who pissed you off?

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Beirdo:

well, whatever, I'm sure he'll be back when he calms down

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peepsalot:

ubuntu 64bit version, good idea or bad idea for a mythtv setup?

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imperfect-:

tbw@mythbox:~$ uname -a

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: he's giving up smoking

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Beirdo:

I know

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Beirdo:

root@flagon:~ # /etc/init.d/spampd stop

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Beirdo:

* ERROR: Insufficient privileges. Retry as root

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Beirdo:

WTF?!

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Beirdo:

I am root, you idiots

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** Beirdo grumbles at edgy **

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Beirdo:

maybe it needs a boot to the head

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peepsalot:

imperfect-, i have heard that 64bit is not good for flash or java? do you use either? i have never installed mythtv before

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imperfect-:

peepsalot : I dont use it on the bawx I watch TV on

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peepsalot:

ok

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peepsalot:

is there any sort of browser app that people use with mythtv?

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peepsalot:

web browser

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mokkan:

hey, i need some help getting dvd's workin..

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mokkan:

i cant get them to automatically mount, or play

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mokkan:

i got ivman installed and stuff

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ARfdee:

ugh

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ARfdee:

help please

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ARfdee:

ivtv, pvr150mce, sometimes recordings block up and jump

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gardengnome:

ARfdee: um, try to increase your capture resolution to 720x480 or 720x576 in your recording profiles

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jhulst:

I have mythbackend running on the same machine as the frontend but it won't connect to it, any ideas of what to check?

[22:37:28]

ARfdee:

ok, it's definitely in the recording, as i just played back the .mpg with mplayer

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ARfdee:

this is really annoying. my computer is fast enough, i don't get it

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Anduin:

ARfdee: dmesg

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ARfdee:

ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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ARfdee:

ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

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ARfdee:

how do you mean?

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ARfdee:

im watching a movie i started recording at 5pm right now

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ARfdee:

it's jumped repeatedly

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ARfdee:

some recordings, it doesn't do this at all

[22:40:18]

ARfdee:

some recordings, it does it constantly

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Anduin:

ARfdee: I mean if the "jumps" match the dmesg (when recording, not playing), then that is the cause.

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hads:

Wow, deja vu

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ARfdee:

Anduin: well, ivtv wouldn't be used for playback, would it?

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ARfdee:

so if it's an ivtv message, wouldn't it be necessarily the recording?

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Anduin:

ARfdee: No it wouldn't I'm just trying to get you to match the offset of the jumps with your log.

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ARfdee:

it may also be related to this error from the past

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Anduin:

ARfdee: I haven't read enough lines to know that you would know the difference.

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levander:

Anybody gotta link to the lastest on Myth and AppleTV?

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Anduin:

ARfdee: also a good candidate

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ARfdee:

i dont know what to do

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Anduin:

ARfdee: You can up the mpeg buffers in ivtv if it is actually happening during the recording (and is the cause), IOBOUND is rare, assuming you can write to you HDD fast enough (there was a bug fixed somewhat recently, don't remember the details though, not a major problem for most)

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ARfdee:

Anduin: it's in the actual file itself, so i think it is definitely during the recording

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gardengnome:

Anduin: was it related to reiserfs?

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ARfdee:

Anduin: how do i test if i can write to HDD fast enough?

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clever:

ARfdee: are you using rtjpeg?

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ARfdee:

i thinki amusing mpeg2-ps?

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ARfdee:

where is that again?

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hads:

clever: ivtv

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clever:

its in the recording profiles under mythtvfrontend settings

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ARfdee:

clever: i am encoding with ivt

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ARfdee:

v

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clever:

ahhh

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clever:

bonnie++ – Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.

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clever:

thats a package on ubuntu that tests the harddrive speed

[22:52:31]

clever:

you can probly search your distro's package manager for it or justget it from there site

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ARfdee:

can't hdparm do it?

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clever:

thats alot less acurate

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clever:

i think bonnie++ can average the read and write speeds over several gig if you wanted

[22:53:51]

clever:

and if your reading 1gig and only have 256mb ram theres no way it can get cached and falsely increase the speeds

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ARfdee:

i have 1gb ddr

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clever:

ahhh:) nice

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clever:

i only have 512mb in my mythtv backend

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ARfdee:

well, this is both front and backend, this machine

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ARfdee:

i just don't know why it does this

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ARfdee:

sometimes an entire recording doesn't do it at all

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ARfdee:

other times it does it repeatedly at sections

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

fragmentations may increase the chances of an iobound

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ARfdee:

so what do i do?

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clever:

how large is the harddrive?

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GreyFoxx:

hahahaha cool! I just had myth recording 8 channels at once off a single dvb card

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clever:

LOL

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GreyFoxx:

This might be useful until the proper multirec stuff is in there

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ARfdee:

60 or 80gb

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ARfdee:

i am not sure

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clever:

mine can bearly record 1 channel

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clever:

damn framegrabber

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gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: nice :)

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ARfdee:

mayb e 100

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clever:

ARfdee: check 'df -h'

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ARfdee:

yeah, 100gb

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ARfdee:

linux partition is 67g

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clever:

ahh:)

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GreyFoxx:

gardengnome: I used vlc to read from the card (pretuned to the transport I wanted) then vlc broke up out each program, repackaged as a TS and unicast it to my backend

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ARfdee:

tmpfs 504M 0 504M 0% /dev/shm

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GreyFoxx:

then I used the iptv recording to record

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ARfdee:

errr, it says 0 is used?

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clever:

thats one of the temp filesystems

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clever:

they can be ignored

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clever:

you could even hide ththem from the list with df -h -x tmpfs

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ARfdee:

how do i determine if swap partition is being used?

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clever:

cat /proc/swaps

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ARfdee:

/dev/sda6 partition 313228 139912 -1

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** clever gets to work trying to fix the tv out using an oscilloscope **

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ARfdee:

ok, i have bonnie++ installed

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clever:

man bonnie

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clever:

run that

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clever:

youll see some info on how it all works

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hads:

GreyFoxx: Nice one

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ARfdee:

as root?

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hads:

You don't need to be root to read a man page

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ARfdee:

hads i was talking about bonnie++

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clever:

it probly doesnt need root

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clever:

try as normal user first and wait for it to complain(if it complains)

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hads:

THen be more specific. I'm guessing it just writes to a directory so you don't need to be root to do that.

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clever:

hads: aslong as you have +w on the dir:P

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ARfdee:

so just bonnie++ -d /tmp?

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clever:

if /tmp is the same partition as where mythtv saves its stuff

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ARfdee:

yup

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ARfdee:

do i need to specify anything for -s and -n?

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clever:

probly not

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clever:

it should pick some stuff on its own mostly

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ARfdee:

is it OK that i am watching a recording in myth during the test?

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clever:

that may slow the numbers down

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ARfdee:

ok, i will pause it

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clever:

but will show what happens to the recordings while your watching

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GreyFoxx:

man this is sweet as the 8 channels on this one transport are my top 8 channels to record from

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clever:

lol

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clever:

never get anotgher recording conflict again

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GreyFoxx:

heh all with one card ;)

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clever:

enless you go crazy and add 50 rules

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clever:

you know something about using an oscilloscope with the tvout of a pc?

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GreyFoxx:

I recording 99% of our stuff from 8 channels and literally all of them are on the same transport

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GreyFoxx:

I could get away with this for recording pretty much everything and "

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clever:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

and fail over to the pvr card for other stuff

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clever:

when i put my laptop on tvout

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clever:

i can tell just by looking at the tv that the freq is wrong

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clever:

so im thinking if i compare the signals from the laptop and a working tvout card i can see the diff

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clever:

and then play with a modeline to see what effect the numbers have

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GreyFoxx:

Can't help ya there

[23:16:12]

ARfdee:

k clever it's done

[23:16:28]

clever:

how fast did it say the read/write was?

[23:16:45]

directhex:

clever, what kind of graphics chip on the laptop?

[23:16:46]

ARfdee:

http://pastebin.ca/493818

[23:16:56]

clever:

ati

[23:17:14]

directhex:

hm, can't help then. don't do ati

[23:17:38]

clever:

getting a nice sine wave

[23:17:51]

clever:

that culd easily be the 60hz noise filling the house

[23:19:27]

clever:

fixed

[23:19:35]

clever:

the ground of the signal wire wasnt connected

[23:19:36]

ARfdee:

clever: you see my link?

[23:19:39]

clever:

yeah

[23:19:48]

clever:

and my scope isnt grounded

[23:20:02]

clever:

so the whole scope was floating at 60hz relative to the signal

[23:21:13]

clever:

looks like it can write 34780kb/sec(about 34mb/sec) when using larger chunks

[23:21:35]

clever:

29mb/sec when writing 1 byte at a time which is a worst case

[23:21:52]

clever:

and about 15mb/sec when overwriting which video recording probly wont do

[23:22:01]

directhex:

unless you have HD

[23:22:49]

ARfdee:

so what does it all mean?

[23:22:57]

hads:

You mean KB and MB don't you.

[23:23:05]

clever:

i deviced it by 1000

[23:23:15]

cal:

hmm anyone on now that uses lcdproc w/ mythtv

[23:24:09]

hads:

I'll rephrase, you are try to refer to Bytes, not bits.

[23:24:18]

ARfdee:

clever: so what does it all mean?

[23:24:31]

clever:

next we need to see how much mythtv needs

[23:24:43]

clever:

i think thats under system status which is under information

[23:24:59]

ARfdee:

can i see that through mythweb?

[23:26:05]

clever:

probly

[23:26:15]

clever:

last line says how much time total and space used

[23:26:54]

ARfdee:

last line on what?

[23:28:34]

clever:

the recorded page in mythweb

[23:28:51]

ARfdee:

"recorded programs?"

[23:31:29]

clever:

yeah

[23:31:34]

pat_:

is there a way to try out svn and then go back to 0.20-fixes if you want, (apart from restoring from backup)

[23:31:58]

ARfdee:

14 programs, using 12 GB (9 hrs 1 min) out of 106 GB (66 GB free).

[23:32:00]

clever:

pat_: i think all you need to repair is the mysql tables

[23:32:09]

clever:

pat_: back those up and you will probly be safe

[23:32:17]

clever:

but you will need to restore them to get back

[23:32:38]

clever:

$calc(12/9) == 1.333333

[23:32:48]

clever:

ARfdee: its using arround 1.3gig/hour

[23:33:03]

clever:

$calc(1.3/3600) == 0.000361

[23:33:08]

pat_:

GreyFoxx: what is that feature you're talking about (recording from the same transport) I want to read up more about it on the lists, and need something to search with

[23:33:13]

clever:

$calc(0.000361*1024) == 0.369664

[23:33:24]

clever:

ARfdee: which i think is <1mb/sec

[23:34:56]

ARfdee:

some of those recordings are older, too

[23:34:59]

ARfdee:

which may have had diff profile

[23:35:02]

ARfdee:

at any rate, what does it all mean?

[23:35:18]

clever:

it shouldnt be having a problem from what i see

[23:35:20]

ARfdee:

in terms of my problem?

[23:35:50]

clever:

yeah i cant see a cause for iobound errors

[23:36:03]

pat_:

GreyFoxx: found it, ticket 3326

[23:36:13]

ARfdee:

i dontknow what to do

[23:45:04]

clever:

whoa

[23:45:13]

clever:

playing with the crt/lcd/tv/res settings randomly

[23:45:19]

clever:

and suddently the tv works:P

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