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Monday, May 14th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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joe_coder:

http://paste.dprogramming.com/dpofc0bw.php

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joe_coder:

the Error: Could not set MPEG controls eno: Invalid argument (22)

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joe_coder:

is repeated frequently

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joe_coder:

googling brings almost no results

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joe_coder:

and those results all mention ivtv config problems, and my card doesn't use ivtv

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joe_coder:

"Error: Could not set MPEG controls" actually brings zero results on google

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joe_coder:

I'm watching tv on a monitor via the vga cable, would that make a difference?

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joe_coder:

this is so frustrating

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joe_coder:

kdetv just came up and worked

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joe_coder:

but I've spent several hours with mythtv so far and can't even get a picture

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Tanthrix:

joe_coder: Does "mplayer /dev/video0" play and work?

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joe_coder:

my wife's watching a show on kdetv now, I'll let you know next commercial break

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joe_coder:

no

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joe_coder:

Win32 Loadlibrary fialed to load avisynth.dll

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joe_coder:

weird to get a msg like that in mplayer

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LennonNZ:

apt-get install w32-codecs

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LennonNZ:

or whatever distro you are using

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joe_coder:

I did earlier today

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joe_coder:

already

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LennonNZ:

but normally its ok..

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joe_coder:

I'll try again to make sure

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LennonNZ:

you might not need it

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joe_coder:

wouldn't have thought so

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kash:

i'm back ;D

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kash:

i watched Cabin Fever. feckin gory movie.

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kash:

anyone know offhand how to remove a device from an md array?

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z_:

how do I take mythbackend is starting on my frontend system and I'm clueless how to stop it

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kash:

huh?

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z_:

that was a bastardization of like 5 different ways of forming the same question

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z_:

I installed myth from the ubuntu repos and I don't know how to remove mythbackend from startup

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kash:

hahaha

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kash:

ok

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kash:

update-rc.d mythbackend remove

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kash:

i think

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kash:

or mythtv-backend

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z_:

ahhh that's better

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z_:

thanks

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kash:

np

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directhex:

or don;t install the backend, since the services don't rely on each other

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z_:

it installed the backend through dependencies...

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z_:

now I need to figure out how to fix the color swap issue on an ati card without fiddling with the svn

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kash:

ati card..

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kash:

ouch

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kash:

which card?

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z_:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M52 [ATI Mobility Radeon X1300]

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spinulll:

why is there an inch of blackness on my screen

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spinulll:

on the left side

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kash:

i don't know?

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kash:

no info, no answer :p

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spinulll:

what

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kash:

card, output info, etc.

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dunder:

spinull: have you tried changing the playback aspect ratio at all??

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spinulll:

yes

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dunder:

sounds like you'll have to live with it then

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spinulll:

its only there with 4:3 and 16:9

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spinulll:

if i zoom in and crap its gone

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dunder:

fill?

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spinulll:

its there

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spinulll:

everything but 16:9 zoom

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dunder:

not sure what the dealy is...i leave it on fill, there is a tiny black line...but i'm not worried about it...that zoom option might be what you need

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dunder:

just take what you can get

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spinulll:

im not satisfied

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dunder:

how big of a black line is there with fill?

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spinulll:

inch

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spinulll:

it doesn't change unless im on 16:9 zoom

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dunder:

hmm...you might wanna change the recording aspect ratio and see if that helps

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dunder:

and/or resolution

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dunder:

look in your default recording profile

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spinulll:

does anyone know how to get rid of the gnome panels when you have beryl running?

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spinulll:

that didn't do anything for me

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spinulll:

?

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spinulll:

can anyone tell me how to fix the panel issue

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spinulll:

does anyone have a problem with sound fluxuating

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dunder:

spinull: no sound fluxuating problems for me

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dunder:

i'd highly recommend not running beryl, tho

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dunder:

big projects like beryl & mythtv just don't always mix well

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MrTilly:

hello all, trying to get the rip feature of mythdvd working, however it'll rip the dvd, then flash that the transcoder is thinking, for about 2 minutes, and then go back to the screen that says no more jobs, press 0 to rip

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squidly:

MrTilly: ive been having the same issue..

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squidly:

well it wont even rip the dvd :(

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MrTilly:

hey! i'm not alone

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MrTilly:

yea, i mean, its rips to the temp directory

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MrTilly:

the file it rips is gone after it finishes tho

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MrTilly:

with no final product

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MrTilly:

nothing in the mtd.log to mention

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joe_coder:

I can't even get an image at all

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squidly:

i'm willing to bet its busted :(

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MrTilly:

ya know, my videos directory is a smb share

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MrTilly:

but, it didnt work even with the sahre unmounted

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MrTilly:

squidly: have you seen this?

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squidly:

no I have not

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squidly:

MrTilly: I cant get it to even rip the dvd :9

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squidly:

:(

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kash:

i can't even get mytharchive to burn them to a DVD :/

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MrTilly:

hrmmm

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MrTilly:

bummmmmeerrr

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mostr:

my machine doesn't seem to be using all my plugins. it's only using the mythvideo plugin. where should I start to troubleshoot this?

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kash:

h

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kash:

hm

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kash:

if mytharchive is running ffmpeg, can i hit exit and watch a recording while it goes on in the background?

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rokstar:

i'm having trouble with mytharchive generating non-usable menu's in the dvds it makes, is this something common/fixable?

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rokstar:

or is this something I should goto #dvdauthor for?

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Aquahallic:

does mythtv take the timezone from the OS or is there a timezone setting inside mythtv???

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kash:

OS

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Aquahallic:

so if my timezone was off on my box.. and I pulled my guide....

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Aquahallic:

it's all off now

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kash:

lol

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Aquahallic:

can I remove all the listings and get it to re-pull them?

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Aquahallic:

lol

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kash:

yes

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kash:

make sure your date is right first

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kash:

use 'date'

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Aquahallic:

yup

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Aquahallic:

I got it straightened out on the OS

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Aquahallic:

now I just need to update my guide correctly

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Aquahallic:

it didn't change the guide...:/

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kash:

mythfilldatabase

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kash:

:)

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Aquahallic:

did

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kash:

ok and?

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Aquahallic:

guide is still way off

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kash:

make sure the time offset setting is correct

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Aquahallic:

the EIT Offset?

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kash:

i dunno

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kash:

i just remember seeing offset

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kash:

i guess so though

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Aquahallic:

k

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kash:

night

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jon454:

hi all. was hoping for some help getting mythtvlcdserver cooperating with lcdproc. i currently have mythdora 3.2 installed on a case with the an hd44780 compliant display. i set the LCDd listen port for 6545. when i run the display i see that a client connects (i.e. "i see CLI: 1") but the display never gets past this point, instead throwing errors about "invalid command from client on socket 4: HELLO". any ideas?

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Sid`:

sounds like a protocol mismatch

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jon454:

i was thinking the same though don't know where to check for it explicitly

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Sid`:

do a tcpdump on your loopback interface, save it to a capture file, and read it in something like ethereal(wireshark)

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Sid`:

then have a look at what each end is saying

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Sid`:

and compare that to the spec

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GreyFoxx:

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alibi:

Hi- anyone have torrentocracy working?

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hads:

alibi: That type of thing isn't discussed here.

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theshadow:

anyone have issues with mythweather?

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hads:

theshadow: It's broken until further notice.

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theshadow:

ok, just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing it

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theshadow:

exactly where are these plugins installed too?

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hads:

theshadow: That depends on how you installed them.

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theshadow:

Hads I found them :)

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theshadow:

hads: ok nevermind I found the .dat files :P I used apt-get install

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hads:

They are possibly in /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/

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hads:

`locate libmythvideo.so` will tell you

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theshadow:

what language are the plugins written in?

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Agrajag-:

c++ mostly

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hads:

svn.mythtv.org has lots of info if you are interested.

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theshadow:

danke!

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MaverickTech:

anyone attempted to merge the softpad branch into a recent trunk ?

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theshadow:

strange question. Is the problem with mythweather known (would really help my digging :P)

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jon454:

yes

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theshadow:

may I be enlightened?

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jon454:

change of source data

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theshadow:

Oh, weatherchannel.com changed something?

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jon454:

you got it

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theshadow:

Hrmm... I though weatherchannel.com had an XML/RSS feed :S

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theshadow:

thought*

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hads:

theshadow: Search for mythweather revamp, there is a branch.

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ddressler:

greets all, any idea why I'd get this error:

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ddressler:

mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot handle TLS data

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Sid`:

whose libGL are you using?

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ddressler:

hmmm how do I check?

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Sid`:

what kind of video card have you got?

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ddressler:

pvr 350, pvr 150, nvidia

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Sid`:

right

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Sid`:

so its the nvidia libGL

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ddressler:

the nvidia isn't even configured yet though

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ddressler:

ok

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Sid`:

try setting LD_ASSUME_KERNEL to 2.3.99

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Sid`:

before starting mythfrontend

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Sid`:

that'll turn TLS off

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Sid`:

if that does the trick, you need to fix your c library/GL library

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ddressler:

ok, I did export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL="2.3.99"

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ddressler:

no affect

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ddressler:

rather, same problem

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ddressler:

I'm using the pvr350 output to the tv if that makes any difference

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hads:

Ew.

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Sid`:

yeah

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Sid`:

don't do that unless you need to

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Sid`:

GL + pvr350 = fail

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ddressler:

I have to right now

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Sid`:

it works, but it works at like 2 frames per second

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ddressler:

my parents tv has no s video in

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ddressler:

doh! the error did change

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Sid`:

hmm?

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ddressler:

now it says it can't find libGL.so.1

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Sid`:

ok, back up a step

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ddressler:

ok

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Sid`:

what linux are you using?

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ddressler:

gentoo

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Sid`:

right.

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Sid`:

you've probably seriously dicked your C library

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ddressler:

maybe

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Sid`:

if you're getting those sorts of TLS errors

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Sid`:

all I can suggest is that you make sure that the compiler you've used to build glibc is new enough to build the version of glibc you've just installed

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Sid`:

that you don't have old versions of glibc lying around

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ddressler:

ok, well I tried emerging ndiswrapper after a kernel upgrade and it said it needed a newer gcc

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Sid`:

but at the end of the day, it's gentoo... probably better off asking gentoo peoples

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ddressler:

so maybe I need to just bite the bullet and upgrade all of that

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Sid`:

my honest thought? you'd be best served reinstalling from scratch if your system is that confused.

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ddressler:

meh. no time

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ddressler:

I'm flying back to chicago tomorrow

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ddressler:

if I am using the 350s out, do I even need openGL?

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Sid`:

no

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Sid`:

just tell mythfrontend to draw using QT

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Sid`:

which is recommended for a pvr350 anyhow

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ddressler:

ok, how do you do that?

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ddressler:

presumably you need to get it to run to tell it that?

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Sid`:

hmmm

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Sid`:

yeah.

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Sid`:

of course

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Sid`:

cos it's linked with -lGL regardless of what painter class you use

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Sid`:

try rebuilding mesa

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Sid`:

and uninstalling the nvidia drivers

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ddressler:

ok, will do. Thanks

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juski:

morning

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hads:

What would cause a program to not show up with a green highlight in mythweb even though it is scheduled to be recorded?

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juski:

like maybe it's gonna be recorded later, you mean?

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hads:

Na, it was weird, it was showing up in upcoming recordings but didn't have the green border like they normally do in the listings on mythweb. There was a couple of old schedules in there so I deleted all of them and recreated one now it's better.

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hads:

Oh well. Fixed now.

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webman:

hello, I'm working on getting a mythtv setup going, and looking for some basic level suggestions on the best setup. I read I can use an XBOX as my 'frontend' device, does this mean the TV antenna doesn't need to be near the 'frontend' ? ie, it could be in another room where my PC is located?

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hugolp:

webman: mythtv works with server/client structure (both can be the same computer)

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hugolp:

the turners need to be in the back end (the server) but the front end (client) dont need them

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webman:

so I can have a 'decent' computer with the tuner card with the TV antenna cable, and then have my xbox where the TV is ?

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hugolp:

webman yes

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hugolp:

just need to be connected through ethernet of course

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directhex|work:

webman, but depending on the type of cards you use, you actually need the reverse – recording from many types of cards takes no cpu power, but showing it does

[09:03:59]

webman:

has anyone used the xbox as a frontend device? does it have the cpu power/does it work well with most features?

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directhex|work:

cpu is okayish. but it hasn't got enough ram

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Gomez:

works good here

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juski:

xbox == noisy, fugly, big

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juski:

oh and deadly slow with linux on there. oh boy

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gardengnome:

morning

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juski:

morny

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juski:

I think I got out of the right side of bed today :)

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juski:

it won't last

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gardengnome:

saying that is counter-productive. just be happy and stfu ;)

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juski:

found out I have a bursty signal quality problem last night – on one multiplex. so it wasn't cpu spikes causing the probs :)

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directhex|work:

get a high gain antenna and a daisy chain of signal boosters!

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juski:

pfft

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juski:

more like take a machine into the attic & use tzap to aim the aerial :)

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juski:

directhex|work: anyway if the cause of the noise turns out to be inside the machine – e.g. a dodgy fan/PSU no amount of amplification will solve it

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webman:

juski: yeah, long term the xbox is too noisy, but I need something to sit close to the TV, otherwise I have no method of transporting the signal to the TV ?? How long can a VGA cable, or RCA cables be ?? I would have thought the shorter the better ??

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juski:

rofl. purchasing dept to me in an email.. can we substitute a 0603 size resistor where a 0402 size should be fitted? er.. NO, retards!

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juski:

webman: xbox doesn't do VGA without serious modification IIRC

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hads:

heh

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webman:

juski: no, I use the RCA cables from the xbox to the TV, but my TV has a VGA input also (and HDMI, except the HDMI doesn't work)

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directhex|work:

doesn't work as you expect

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webman:

supposedly I need a "license" for my TV to use HDMI !! who would have thought....

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juski:

you can prolly do a nice long composite/svideo cable. hell you can buy cat5 rx/tx pairs that send audio/video/remote over one cat5 cable :)

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directhex|work:

licenses for things like that are the norm these days. ever tried bluetooth in windows?

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juski:

!trout purchasing-dept fecking-idiots

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** MythLogBot slaps purchasing-dept with a fecking-idiots trout on behalf of juski... **

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webman:

directhex: well, it worked for a couple of days, and then just totally corrupted the video (mid program), at first I assumed it was the set top box, but then the 'technician' said my TV didn't support it .... but sounds strange to me that it worked and then stopped working

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hugolp:

webman I have a 15 m VGA cable and works fine in 720p resolution

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hugolp:

fine means I can see no difference between the 2 m cable and the 15 m one

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webman:

hugolp: but I might have some trouble getting a VGA cable through the wall cavity :( It is basically going straight down from upstairs to downstairs... the cat5 was hard enough.... but it might be worth it....

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webman:

I need to check what resolutions my TV will do with a VGA input....

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hugolp:

webman vga cable is a bit harder than the cat5 one, youll have to manage arround that if you want that, but you have to think in aother thing

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directhex|work:

webman, what brand is the tv?

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hugolp:

how are you going to change channel if the computer is downstairs?

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juski:

IR sender :)

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juski:

RF remote/keyboard :)

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hugolp:

rf remote/keyboard at 15m with a wall in the middle?

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hads:

Long USB cable :)

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webman:

well, I was hoping I could use my IR remote with the xbox, or if I used a central box upstairs, I could use a wireless keyboard/bluetooth/similar

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hugolp:

hads, yeah maybe that will do, plus you avoid the noise

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webman:

BTW, it is only a wooden 'floor' plus 'plaster' ceiling between the lounge and the PC

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hads:

Long USB cable with a IR receiver plugged into it.

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hugolp:

webman a long usb cable seems more like a good option, and as you have to make the whole for the vga cable the usb cable will be easy

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webman:

Looking fairly long term, I want the TV mounted on the wall, with no other equipment obviously visible/taking up space

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hugolp:

plus you get no noise at all

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directhex|work:

i still think the mac mini makes for a nice frontend

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juski:

a nice SDTV frontend, or mpeg2 HDTV frontend

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webman:

hugolp: with the USB cable, there would be some sort of device hanging off the end of it?? Is that something purchaseable off the shelf?

[10:16:11]

hads:

The remote isn't big enough for me.

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gbee:

ok, another newbie question – is it possible to use bobdeint only for certain recordings?

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juski:

gbee: nope

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gardengnome:

gbee: might be possible in the mythtv-vid branch...

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juski:

bobdeint looks fine on all recordings for me – both pvr150 & dvb-t

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gardengnome:

hum

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gbee:

juski: ok, thanks – guess I'll have to change that, put it in the playback group code

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gardengnome:

isn't it possible to have playback groups and use different filters there?

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juski:

gbee: I've yet to find a recording which didn't look brilliant with bob deint

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hugolp:

webman theres a little box at the end of the usb cable, but you can manage to hide it fine

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hugolp:

and yes, you can buy that, but the usb cable wont be long enough, youll have to buy more usb cable

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juski:

I implore you not to add any more blimmin preference settings :)

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juski:

been trying to think of some good things to put in the 'hour of power' demo. can't come up with any, so I might duck out of that at LRL

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gbee:

juski: wouldn't really be adding a new setting, just moving it from a global setting to the playback groups – but I'm just talking atm, by tomorrow I'll probably decide I can't be bothered ;)

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gardengnome:

juski: what about the angry german kid?

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juski:

gbee: ahh that's a good idea anyway IMHO

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juski:

gardengnome: I am that kid lately

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gardengnome:

heh

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Gorlist:

Morning

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Gorlist:

having some problems with mythtv in Ubuntu 7.04

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** hads waits for it **

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Gorlist:

:) installed it yesterday morning

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Gorlist:

ran through the inistal config

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Gorlist:

for groups etc but i forgot to logout! and just carried on

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Gorlist:

now when I load Myth comes up with Cannot connect to mysql backend... :(

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directhex|work:

hads, the mac mini remote is junk. but it has integrated bluetooth

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gardengnome:

um

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directhex|work:

Gorlist, how, exactly, did you install mythtv?

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gardengnome:

Gorlist: how did you manage to do that? there is a *pop-up* window telling you to log out.

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Gorlist:

Package Manager, I first accidentally installed just MythTV, (which comes with full backend)

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Gorlist:

Not sure how I missed it!,

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directhex|work:

Gorlist, you need the full backend

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hugolp:

yep XD

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hads:

Um, yeah.

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directhex|work:

Gorlist, in the first instance, ensure you have "mysql-server" and "mythtv-database" installed

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hugolp:

you need one back end in the network. If you are using just one computer you need the back-end in that computer

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Gorlist:

right

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hads:

THere are meta packages in 7.04 to allow you to do what you want. I don't know what's what though.

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Gorlist:

ok will install it all. – should I first uninstall then start over?

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Gorlist:

(in regards to removing the frontend and common?)

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directhex|work:

Gorlist, that's a windowsism. no.

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Gorlist:

ok

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hugolp:

directhex|work: Gorlist, that's a windowsism. no. <- XDDD

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hugolp:

Gorlist: I am using Mythtv in feisy

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hugolp:

feisty

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directhex|work:

hugolp, the number of people who reinstall packages without purging config baffles me

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hugolp:

just install mythtv package and follow the instructions

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Gorlist:

unfortunately first time round I failed to follow instructions! I was being pestered at the time :)

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juski:

you don't need to follow the instructions if you don't ignore the onscreen prompts.

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gardengnome:

it's pretty sad to see the ubuntu guys dedicate so much time to making nice packages and good documentation when people just don't follow them.

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juski:

I'd go as far as saying you can't go far wrong even without the docs

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directhex|work:

build an idiot-proof device

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juski:

directhex|work: yep

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directhex|work:

nature improves the idiots

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gardengnome:

directhex|work: reverse darwinism?

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Gorlist:

right, ive just got the first windows for Config. Mythtv-backend

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Gorlist:

says it must be run mythtv-setup as mythtv group

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Gorlist:

when I pressed forward it just disappeared

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planktonboy:

hi all

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Gorlist:

hi

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hugolp:

Gorlist: its all right

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Gorlist:

ok

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planktonboy:

hi Gorlist

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Gorlist:

right the package manager has now finished

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hugolp:

Gorlist: after you configure the back end, the first time you start the front-end i will ask you to include you in the mythtv group and reboot

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directhex|work:

Gorlist, in order to use the frontend, you need to configure the backend. run "mythtv-setup" manually, or go through system/administration/mythtv

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hads:

reboot?

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Gorlist:

ah ok!

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directhex|work:

hads, log out.

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hads:

I was talking to hugolp

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directhex|work:

he got it wrong

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directhex|work:

it gives you a "you must log out, click ok to do it or cancel to do it yourelf later" popup

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sinthetek:

jeez

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sinthetek:

i totally forgot i was in here

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planktonboy:

just freed up another pc ready toooo build a new mythtv pvr. A bit higher spec than the other pc I am using as a DVB Freeview PVR in UK so was hoping to set this new one up as an HD capable machine, but I'd like to know if there are any HD tv cards that work in UK, or if its even worth doing

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sinthetek:

that's what i get for nesting screens again

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planktonboy:

or should I just buy some more Hauppauge tv cards

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sinthetek:

omg, i'm still banned from #fluxbox

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sinthetek:

superweak, i haven't been there for months

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planktonboy:

gbee, ah ok

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planktonboy:

thanks

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planktonboy:

so I can use thosHauppauge cards to record say from a sky HD box

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gbee:

i.e. those mythtv users in the London area were able to see and record the test HD streams (playback was a little difficult because ffmpeg is only just getting around to fully supporting the codecs with any sort of cpu efficiency)

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planktonboy:

right

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Zider:

ooo, my cable company finally got the two channels I was missing.. now all I need is a box with firewire :P

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gbee:

planktonboy: ah, no – in that case you need a HD capabable mpeg2 encoder ... so forget what I just said

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Tricc:

is there anyway to do an automated (read: apt-get) installation of the 0.19 version of mythtv?

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gardengnome:

Tricc: what distro?

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hads:

Use an older version of $DISTRO

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Tricc:

Debian 4

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Gorlist:

for setting up a capture card, how do I know which one I should use (have a PCI TV card)

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hads:

But really, why?

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Gorlist:

haupage (spelt wrong)

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gardengnome:

Tricc: um. dunno. i doubt that marillat has something, but take a look at www.debian-multimedia.org anyways

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Tricc:

My card isn't compatiable with 0.20

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planktonboy:

gbee, ok thanks mate, I'll look nto it

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gardengnome:

Tricc: huh? what card is that?

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gbee:

there is a difference in the way DVB cards work and the 'capture' cards – if you're capturing then you need a card capable of recording at the native res of the input

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planktonboy:

Gorlist I am using 2 Hauppauge Nova-T cards

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hads:

Tricc: That sounds odd.

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planktonboy:

and they work really well, but I am only using to record Freeview in UK at the mo

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Gorlist:

mines a really old PCI analog

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gbee:

existing DVB-T and DVB-S cards can handle HDTV, but capture cards like the Hauppauge PVR-*** series probably can't

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Gorlist:

just not sure of which I should select inregards to the input for setting up the backend

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hads:

s/probably//

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Tricc:

hads: seems on the forums a few people having an issue with the Leaktec DVT T-1000 card. Under the 0.20 version mythtv-setup only detects the card initally, but won't work after. It "finds" the card, but "fails to open" it thereafter.

[10:51:08]

gbee:

Tricc: not my experience (the LR6550 as it's also known) works fine for me

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planktonboy:

gbee, Tric thanks for the info, so I can rule that one out

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planktonboy:

aaaah maybe not then :)

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gbee:

planktonboy: you could record any FTA HDTV with a DVB-S (or DVB-T card in London) – but I think the number of such channels is limited or even zero

[10:53:05]

webman:

is there any dual tuner cards that will work with mythtv at present, or is it better to just buy multiple single tuner cards ?

[10:53:37]

gbee:

webman: well there are a few, I'm using a Nova-T 500 (DVB-T)

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planktonboy:

gbee, thanks

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planktonboy:

yeah I was going to consider the the Nova-T 500 too

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gbee:

webman: linuxtv.org has a full list on their wikis

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planktonboy:

ah of course..thanks I'll look on that site..forgot about that one

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gbee:

webman: whichever one you choose, you'll probably need the most recent kernel for them to work, or be bug free

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planktonboy:

:)

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gbee:

the Nova-T (at least with 2.6.20) has a nasty bug, but it can generally be avoided for now by not using EIT – the bug is supposed to be fixed, but I'm not sure if it's made it into the 2.6.21 kernel

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juski:

Tricc: the cards I use are the same as that but without the video inputs – all worked fine in mythtv & always have.

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planktonboy:

how about the PVR-350

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juski:

forget the pvr350 even exists

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

done :)

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planktonboy:

what cards are you using juski?

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juski:

VGA card TV output quality is now sufficient for you to forget all about the pvr350

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planktonboy:

right

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juski:

planktonboy: for input, 2x leadtek lr6650 & a pvr250

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juski:

pvr150 I mean

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juski:

for output, via m10000 motherboard & its onboard video with tvout

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planktonboy:

ah so you have a seperate frontend and backend

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planktonboy:

:)

[11:04:47]

juski:

I prolly wouldn't recommend anybody else buy a via epia motherboard

[11:04:57]

directhex|work:

gbee, which bug is that?

[11:05:23]

gbee:

directhex: usb disconnect

[11:05:33]

gbee:

when switching channels

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hads:

juski: Yeah? I'm pretty happy with my ones. What don't you like about it?

[11:06:48]

juski:

hads: performance sucks

[11:07:00]

juski:

it's _just_ good enough for SDTV

[11:07:04]

hads:

heh, yeah well, they are low power chips.

[11:07:39]

juski:

suckage tends to vary with each version of mythtv IME

[11:08:11]

hads:

I have a 1Ghz and it runs about 55% CPU playing back SD

[11:08:14]

juski:

playback can be flawless in some versions of minimyth & totally suck in others, with no obvious reason why

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juski:

hads: tends not to be cpu usage related. playback can totally suck & yet use only 40% CPU

[11:08:58]

hads:

Odd, mines fine.

[11:09:34]

juski:

prebufferring pause nightmares

[11:09:43]

hads:

None at all here

[11:09:50]

juski:

hads: lemme think – you don't use minimyth do ya?

[11:09:54]

hads:

Yeah

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juski:

0.20–21 is fine

[11:10:16]

hads:

I compile my own.

[11:10:31]

juski:

0.20–22 could not play back dvb-t recordings for love nor money while deinterlacing

[11:10:56]

hads:

It runs trunk now but used to run one of the .20 versions

[11:11:24]

juski:

I have a sneaky feeling it'd always be better if it didn't use the bleeding edge versions of xorg etc

[11:12:10]

juski:

no 2 releases ever use the same version of _anything_ so if you get problems you're at a loss as to what causes em

[11:12:11]

hads:

It is a little bleeding edge I guess.

[11:12:37]

juski:

I can build my own no problem now but it just takes _forever_

[11:12:51]

hads:

Yeah, it is a bit of a long process

[11:13:52]

Tricc:

hads: any suggestions with mythtv 0.20, my card (leadtek dtv t-1000) mythtv-setup detects my card, but won't scan for channels saying "Failed to open card"

[11:14:15]

hads:

No idea, I don't have DVB-T

[11:14:50]

juski:

Tricc: tested your card with scan & tzap hmmm? cos you really HAVE to verify the hardware works outside mythtv before coming here pointing the finger at mythtv!

[11:15:04]

Tricc:

yes, tzap detects my card.

[11:15:09]

Tricc:

i can actually use mplayer with it.

[11:15:13]

juski:

tzap does NOT detect your card

[11:15:34]

Tricc:

Incorrect, it does.

[11:15:37]

juski:

what you mean is, it _works_ with your card

[11:16:04]

juski:

mythtv doesn't detect any hardware either

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juski:

YOU tell it to use the hardware.. no detection is going on anywhere

[11:16:48]

Tricc:

Well, it "displays" the chipset for the card. But fails to open it when scanning.

[11:16:55]

juski:

Tricc: assuming tzap & scan etc work ok – if the card isn't working in mythtv I can only assume you've set it up as the wrong card type in mythtv-setup

[11:17:36]

juski:

Tricc: either that or whatever apps you used to test the card with are still running.. or the user you run mythtv-setup as isn't privileged enough to use the hardware

[11:18:04]

juski:

I say this because mythtv really isn't doing anything different to what tzap & scan does

[11:18:18]

Tricc:

Running setup as root. Server has been rebooted since using mplayer.

[11:18:37]

juski:

does the mplayer test still work, in that case

[11:18:55]

Tricc:

I haven't tried since.

[11:19:04]

juski:

rebooting can change a lot

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juski:

like maybe you forgot to add a line to a config file & its module hasn't been loaded ;)

[11:19:46]

juski:

so many things can be overlooked

[11:20:16]

gbee:

check the adapter folder to make sure all the nodes are present and that permissions are same, also check dmesg to see that no errors occured when loading the module

[11:20:29]

Tricc:

the kernel seems to load the card.

[11:21:05]

Tricc:

all dmsg says regarding the card is:

[11:21:05]

Tricc:

cx88[0]/2: found at 0000:00:09.2, rev: 5, irq: 193, latency: 32, mmio: 0xe3000000

[11:21:05]

Tricc:

cx88[0]/2: cx2388x based dvb card

[11:21:05]

Tricc:

DVB: registering new adapter (cx88[0]).

[11:21:05]

Tricc:

DVB: registering frontend 0 (Conexant CX22702 DVB-T)...

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juski:

jees. am I the only person who hates the look of http://caskater4.khram.com/MythTV.org_concepts.png ?

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gardengnome:

looks too OSX

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MaverickTech:

juski: I thought it looked cool

[11:22:10]

gbee:

juski: apparently

[11:22:33]

juski:

ach what do I care? I'm not on the team anyway :)

[11:23:16]

MaverickTech:

me neither

[11:23:30]

juski:

homebrew .. pfft. is that where free as in beer came from?

[11:23:32]

Solv:

I've got a strange problem with mythfilldatabase...it works fine from command line, but when I set it to autorun from mythfrontend, it doesn't insert any new programs...but it does run...anyone know what I can look for there?

[11:23:33]

Tricc:

juski: could the problem be that the video card in the box shares the same driver/chipset of the DVB-T card?

[11:24:03]

Tricc:

Because it does, just wondering if that could be causing the issue.

[11:24:08]

juski:

Tricc: shouldn't be. never heard of a conexant cx22702 chip on a VGA card

[11:24:52]

Tricc:

can I paste you full output of the dmsg video card's? (6 lines)

[11:24:54]

gbee:

Solv: hmm, permissions?

[11:25:11]

Solv:

I was thinking of just writing a cronjob, but I need it to run as a user not root hey?

[11:25:39]

gbee:

or is mythfilldatabase set to run with any additional arguments which could be tripping it up?

[11:25:40]

juski:

Solv: the user that mythbacxkend runs as.. does it have a ~/.mythtv/$foo.xmltv file hmm?

[11:25:55]

juski:

Solv: cos it NEEDS ONE

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gbee:

juski: mythfilldatabase wouldn't run manually without it

[11:26:20]

Solv:

juski, actually, that might be the problem...cause i run mythfill from my home directory as my own user...but i imagine mythfrontend launches as user mythtv

[11:26:21]

juski:

gbee: yes it would

[11:26:31]

juski:

gbee: see above ^^^^

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directhex|work:

juski, that mockup is a little bit potted. a million sites look like that these days

[11:27:14]

Solv:

okay, so what do I need to change then?

[11:27:38]

gbee:

juski: heh, ok ;)

[11:27:49]

juski:

Solv: copy ~/.mythtv/*.xmltv to the home dir of the user mythbackend runs as (into the .mythtv dir again)

[11:27:59]

gbee:

Solv: copy the ... what juski said

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juski:

e.g. cp ~/.mythtv/*.xmltv /root/.mythtv/.

[11:28:25]

Solv:

yeah that's good for the first time...but the script has to create the file in that dir when it runs next time doesn';t it?

[11:29:17]

juski:

Tricc: if the udev rules are set right, they should all be set to 'video' group ownership – so just addd users to the video group as necessary IIRC

[11:29:22]

hads:

Of course they will, but that won't survive a reboot.

[11:29:31]

hads:

Yeah, ^^ what he said

[11:29:49]

juski:

get the group membership right in the very first instance & you won't have any problems – IN THEORY

[11:30:07]

hads:

Yeah

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gbee:

meh, I should read what everyone else says before typing

[11:30:36]

Solv:

the script is a little program called shepherd which is symlinked to the comand tv_grab_au (cause that is the available option in mythtv-setup)...and shepherd leaves it's output.xmltv file in my ~/.shepherd dir...so.....

[11:30:39]

juski:

course theory is all well & good as long as your udev rules aren't fucked up

[11:31:34]

juski:

Solv: no no no no.. the .xmltv file in ~/.mythtv/ is named after the video source and is simply a list of channels the grabber has to get data for

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hads:

Well if shepherd isn't compatible with tv_grab_au then you will have problems

[11:31:56]

juski:

I know that stuff inside out & by God I wish I didn't

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hads:

Solv: Or whatever other config the grabber needs.

[11:32:22]

Solv:

juski, oh, sorry i thought you meant the actually guide data...okay i can do that

[11:32:28]

Solv:

now it makes sense

[11:33:26]

juski:

FFS! the flexitime booking system isn't allowing me to log any more than 7.5 hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[11:33:38]

juski:

I've done way over 20 hours overtime in the last 7 days

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directhex|work:

the extra hours are deemed "sucker hours"

[11:34:30]

MaverickTech:

put the extra hours up for sales on ebay

[11:34:51]

MaverickTech:

auction them to work collegues

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gbee:

Solv: fwiw, that whole symlinking thing probably won't work in 0.21 if 'shepherd' isn't fully xmltv compliant (supporting baseline, manualconfig etc)

[11:35:28]

Solv:

juski: okay so if I don't have a .xmltv file in ~/.mythtv or /root/.mythtv then what is goin on

[11:35:35]

juski:

or I could just hack the system & fiddle the hours back in

[11:35:52]

directhex|work:

hack the planet!

[11:48:43]

gardengnome:

<- bad therapist

[11:50:51]

Solv:

how does this look for a cronjob as my username running at 2am every sunday and wednesday: 0 2 * * 0,3 /usr/bin/mythfilldatabase

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webman:

gbee: you suggested the nova t500, but AFAICT, there seems to be some pretty negative comments on http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards about it. Is it working well for you with mythtv ?? Are these comments just old/wrong/something?

[11:51:35]

Solv:

it only tooke me 4 different crontab page guides to figure it out...but i think thats right =)

[11:52:08]

webman:

solv: looks ok to me...

[11:52:59]

Solv:

cool thnax

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gbee:

webman: works extremely well for me, I just had to disable EIT (well I'm actually using a patch which allows passive EIT collection but disables active collection)

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webman:

gbee: what is EIT ??

[11:54:48]

gbee:

Event Information Table – EPG (Electronic Programme Guide) data

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Solv:

doesn anyone know how mythtv behaves when I'm watching livetv and a program on another channel is due to record, but I only have one tuner...does it bump me off, or does it warn me...or if I don't realise will it just fail to reord?

[11:55:28]

gbee:

webman: of course the Nova-T-500 assumes you get DVB-T signals where you live?

[11:56:10]

webman:

gbee: is DVB-T simply normal digital TV that you would use a 'digital set top box' with (ie, free to air digital TV?)

[11:56:11]

gbee:

Solv: it shows you a popup warning you that a recording is due to start and then gives you three options

[11:56:45]

Solv:

gbee, i only ask because i could've sworn that it didn't do that the last time, and i missed the begining of the show

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gbee:

1) Let it record and go back to main menu 2) Don't record, let me watch livetv 3) let it record and watch it while it records

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Solv:

gbee, that's good to know it's got that all sorted out...sweet

[11:57:44]

Solv:

gbee, prolly won't be long before i add an extra tuner though, so then it won't matter

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webman:

solv: I'm guessing you can never have enough tuners :)

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gbee:

webman: DVB-T is just one standard which is used for digital OTA broadcasts, but outside the US it's pretty much _the_ standard

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planktonboy:

webman, are you in UK

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webman:

gbee: OK, I'm pretty sure it is good for here (sydney, Australia)

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

doesnt Australia also use ATSC

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hads:

DVB AFAIK

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planktonboy:

k

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** webman hasn't heard of ATSC... though doesn't mean we don't **

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planktonboy:

been looking on linuxtv.org and I guess I'll just get another 2 Nova-T cards again for the new machine

[12:01:29]

planktonboy:

seems that in UK its pretty much just DVB, so no point going for anything else right now

[12:01:47]

planktonboy:

DVB-T that is

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MaverickTech:

anyone seen a problem with artifacts (random horizontal lines) on the Mythtv main menu ?

[12:02:43]

MaverickTech:

not obtrusive artifacts, just annoying

[12:02:53]

MaverickTech:

only shown up since upgrade to feisty

[12:03:09]

planktonboy:

I still cant get channel 4 though most of the time

[12:03:46]

webman:

thanks for all the help, i look forward to a muct neater setup, and not having to rush home to see watch TV

[12:04:14]

planktonboy:

I think it must be aaaa reception thing though asss the digital tv tuner on my new Samsung LE40M86BD TV also cant get channel 4, but the analog tuner can

[12:11:41]

Solv:

is adding a second tuner card (ideally identical to the first) a fairly trivial exercise, or something that takes a fair amount of effort to get working...? I imagine the same driver would be able to control both cards, and udev would handle assigning them properly, then mythtv-setup you could just assign the same video sources that are already set up for the first card to the second card and bob's ur'e uncle

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planktonboy:

Solv I think its pretty simple to do

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quicksilver:

Solv: yes, it's very simple

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planktonboy:

if its the same card as the first

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quicksilver:

Solv: (mostly)

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Solv:

sweet....does it use up twice the resources or just a small amount extra?

[12:21:36]

planktonboy:

very little extra

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planktonboy:

but if you are recording 2 channels at same time then it will use more resources

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Solv:

planktonboy, that's good to know...cause i don't think my system could handle twice the resources

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quicksilver:

DVB or analog?

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planktonboy:

I guess it depends on the card

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Solv:

DVB-t

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planktonboy:

yeah

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Solv:

it's the technisat airstar2...nice and cheap card...does a very good job too

[12:23:03]

planktonboy:

if the card has mpeg2 encoder onboard then that shoulod be ok

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quicksilver:

DVB-T is zero load

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quicksilver:

it's only bus load, not CPU load

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juski:

not quite but near enough

[12:23:25]

quicksilver:

so, you should be fine

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planktonboy:

right

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Solv:

excellent....

[12:23:48]

planktonboy:

like my 2 x Hauppuage Nova_T

[12:23:48]

** Solv taps fingers together **

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planktonboy:

:)

[12:24:51]

planktonboy:

makes a hell of a difference too having another card

[12:25:11]

Solv:

yeah i can imagine

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planktonboy:

means you can watch twice as much tv :)

[12:25:30]

planktonboy:

LOL

[12:25:42]

planktonboy:

also Picture in Picture is fun

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Solv:

does myth support pip?

[12:26:21]

planktonboy:

buuuut in theory you can have as many cards as you want in your setup

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planktonboy:

yes

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Solv:

man i must have bad lag

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planktonboy:

works well too

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juski:

PiP == poop :)

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hads:

Not really my thing.

[12:27:22]

Solv:

yeah it has to be a bit of a gimmick

[12:27:33]

planktonboy:

true

[12:27:33]

Solv:

like video calling on a mobile phone...who cares

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planktonboy:

but its fun to show off when your friend come over and want to keep an eye on the footie

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juski:

like web streaming

[12:28:09]

juski:

like web 2.0

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hads:

like computers?

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planktonboy:

LOL

[12:28:36]

** hads gets out his stone and chisle **

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Solv:

i'm getting into a bit of web streaming....democracy tv is pretty cool....now if only there was a democracy plugin for mythtv...hmmm

[12:29:52]

planktonboy:

the web streaming is handy sometimes

[12:30:03]

juski:

see this is why I don't wanna do the expo stuff now

[12:30:18]

planktonboy:

I use mythstream occasionally when my gf wants to watch here Thai TV channels

[12:30:26]

planktonboy:

her even

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Solv:

oh so there is a webstreaming plugin already?

[12:30:51]

planktonboy:

but the quality is a bit crap depending on the stream

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planktonboy:

Solv yes, but its a 3rd paaaarty

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planktonboy:

not officially supported, but it works well

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Solv:

ah...not good enough for the big time eh

[12:31:19]

Solv:

=)

[12:31:40]

Solv:

actually that being said, I don't think much of the offical mythtv-skins...cept retro

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juski:

will you lot get the clue about torrents & why they can never be officially supported in mythtv?

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Solv:

juski, i wasn't thinking torrents....

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Solv:

thinking about vodcasts

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planktonboy:

its fine for music, but the video quality is dependant on many things

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planktonboy:

sure

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GreyFoxx:

smart people know

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GreyFoxx:

but a lot expect myth to magically clean it

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Solv:

those people need to come visit me for about half an hour

[12:34:30]

planktonboy:

GreyFoxx, yes

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GreyFoxx:

or that the poort quality is myth's fault

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tzanger:

GreyFoxx: what, you mean myth doesn't include magic filters?

[12:34:50]

tzanger:

dammit I've been deceived

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tzanger:

rm -rf /

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planktonboy:

LOL

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GreyFoxx:

haza!

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Solv:

i will give them a magivc filter...a 34cm crt tv

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tzanger:

Solv: :-) The errors are too small to detect

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Solv:

exactly

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GreyFoxx:

PErsonally I want a movie trailors plugin, though it might be doable with mythbrowser

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Solv:

OMG! it's so muhc better

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** directhex|work rubs his magical LIRC-free remote **

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, screen-scraping apple.com/trailers ?

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tzanger:

actually I've been studing turbo coding a little... I'm still baffled how running the received datastream through the decoder more times results in a progressively better and better picture

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: Nope. Originally I thought of doing that, but turns out they have an open XML feed fof the info

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directhex|work:

i could navigate it with my remote!

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quicksilver:

after all, everybody *wants* you to watch trailers

[12:36:51]

planktonboy:

anyways, must go. Later chaps and thanks for the advice again

[12:36:54]

quicksilver:

so they have every incentive to make taht as easy as possible

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planktonboy:

bbl I guess :)

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Solv:

for the moment i'm just gonna try and figure out how to get lirc working with democracy tv...that will solve my movie trailer cravings as well

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, did i mention i got my remote working?

[12:40:48]

GreyFoxx:

I vaguely remember your reference to an unworking remote :)

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directhex|work:

i now have a horribly bodged driver written in python

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juski:

Solv: python bindings might make using/adapting XBMC scripts possible

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Solv:

hey?

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mboman:

I am migrating my MythTV machine from Gentoo to Ubuntu 7.04. I've backed up the database and the whole /etc (as well as the 'mythtv' user's $HOME and /myth partition). Have I missed any important files or is that it?

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sebrock:

does anyone know why I get this: "Invalid exporting option: <directory>" when doing this: "exportfs -i <dir>"??

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sebrock:

NFS that is...

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fryfrog:

mboman: if you have room, maybe backup the whole drive?

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Solv:

mboman, why leave gentoo

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mboman:

Let me see if I got space..

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fryfrog:

mboman: but i think when i moved, all i saved was /etc/ and /var/ (mainly for www)

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fryfrog:

(and the db and recordings dir of course)

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gbee:

fryfrog: ~/.mythtv is worth backing up as it contains xmltv config, lircrc etc

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fryfrog:

ah, thats true

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fryfrog:

actually, when i went from Gentoo -> Ubuntu, I broke my RAID1, unplugged one disk and installed a "degraded" raid1 on the ubuntu side

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fryfrog:

so when/if i forgot anything, i could just bring up the old gentoo disk

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fryfrog:

(or revert to it if i wanted)

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fryfrog:

it was months ago, so i don't remember if i had to grab any old files

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fryfrog:

i also only restored *portions* of my db, because it was from an svn head version and i wanted to use svn -fixes of myth

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fryfrog:

(ie, recorded mainly)

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mboman:

gbee: the whole mythtv $HOME is taken care of

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mboman:

I'll just backup the whole '/' partition as well.. Just a tarball or do you have any other suggestions?

[13:03:11]

mboman:

and why compress it so many times? My '/' is only 5 Gb...

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hads:

He is being silly

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directhex|work:

i prefer to think of it as being glib

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hads:

Prefer all you like

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gbee:

mboman: when it comes to restoring the backup, I wouldn't just overwrite whole directories – just copy over the individual files you need, otherwise you are likely to screw up because of differences in app/config versions between gentoo and ubuntu

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mboman:

yeah

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mboman:

hmm.. tar doesn't want to listen to 'l' option...

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clever:

where are you putting it on the command line

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tzanger:

hmm, is there any way to abort a user job?

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juski:

tzanger: info centre > system status > jobs

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tzanger:

ah okay I have to do it that way

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tzanger:

I'm not at home, didn't see w ay to do it in the web frontend

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plb:

Anyone have one of these pixelview bt878p? I ended up acquiring one for free

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plb:

trying to figure out how to get it working

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sebrock:

can somebody help me share a folder using nsf?

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gardengnome:

sebrock: man exports; man nfs; read the nfs howto at www.tldp.org

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sebrock:

I did, and Im sure I use the right command, still get error messges

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sebrock:

well, obviously I don't but this is driving me crazy

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sebrock:

I use the same lines as howtos

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gbee:

sebrock: assuming your distro doesn't include a nice little integrated gui for managing shares/mounts/samba then you need to see /etc/exports and restart nfsd for any changes to take effect

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sebrock:

hmmm

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sebrock:

done that too

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gbee:

showmount {IP}?

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sebrock:

well; I'm trying "exportfs -i /home/sebastian"

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sebrock:

and that gives "Invalid exporting option: /home/sebastian"

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sebrock:

even with root

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gbee:

acutally, "showmount --all {IP}" is a little more detailed

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sebrock:

says Hosts: none

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sebrock:

eh...

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hads:

sebrock: It's not really related to mythtv at all.

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sebrock:

well, sort of... in a way :)

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sebrock:

gbee, that gives nothing

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sebrock:

no list

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gbee:

sebrock: ok, pastebin your /etc/exports file

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sebrock:

gbee, no listen, I want to temporarily use "exportfs -i"

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sebrock:

not to make it permanent

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gbee:

tried using the -v arg to exportfs?

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sebrock:

yes, it gives nothing more

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tzanger:

I thought nuvexport had a "dry run" mode where it didn't actually do anything, just spat out what it was going to do... doesn't it?

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juski:

--debug

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tzanger:

that's it, thank you

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tzanger:

hmm... when grabbing a stream over satellite, mythbackend says there are three streams for the program (MPEG2 video, MP2 audio and AC3 audio) — I am assuming that it's recording all three streams

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tzanger:

is there any way to tell mythtranscode in fifo mode to select the AC3 stream?

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otwin:

sebrock: exportfs -i <remotehost>:/home/sebastian

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tzanger:

it doesn't seem to be able to do it

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gbee:

tzanger: you might check first that that the ac3 stream _is_ the programme soundtrack and not an empty stream, or Audio-descriptive

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tzanger:

gbee: indeed...

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gbee:

here in the UK there is usually a second audio stream but it's either silent or contains scene descriptions for the blind

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gbee:

hmm, no 'Watch Recordings' jumppoint

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hads:

There is somewhere

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tzanger:

gbee: hmm these should be AC3 audio (movies)

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gbee:

hads: if it's there, it's poorly named

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** gbee dives into the code **

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hads:

gbee: playbackbox

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hads:

TV Recording Playback

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gbee:

hads: yeah that was my first guess, but unless I screwed up the lircrc it doesn't work

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hads:

Maybe you screwed up ;)

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Perdignus:

Hello – Anyone else getting the wrong aspect ratio when playing ASX streams from MythWeb?

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juski:

since when did mythweb stream ASX ?

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gardengnome:

since svn trunk

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gbee:

juski: don't know when it was added, but probably after 0.20 was released

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directhex|work:

since when can you stream asx? that's like streaming a m3u

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Perdignus:

gardengnome it's really cool, it's in the SVN

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gbee:

tsck

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GreyFoxx:

mythweb has used asx files and code to stream from the backend

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GreyFoxx:

asx just defines the stream though

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think it includes aspect ratio stuff at all

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gbee:

it doesn't, so any problems will either be with the stream itself or with the player your using

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gbee:

you're

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GreyFoxx:

*nod*

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Perdignus:

It's easy to fix with VLC by tabbing through aspect ratios with the A key, but happens with mplayer too

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directhex|work:

i made my frontend crash when trying to use Internal to play .ogm files :(

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gbee:

backtrace!

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directhex|work:

gah, not more sodding backtraces :(

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directhex|work:

is it meant to play ogm files, anyway? it seemed like a good idea at the time

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GreyFoxx:

I've never had one to try it

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juski:

ogm?

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directhex|work:

i could sling together a test file this evening

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directhex|work:

juski, ogm

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TSCHAKWerk:

morning

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juski:

Etoomanystupidfiletypes

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directhex|work:

juski, it's a container that properly supports more than 1 audio stream and 1 video stream. unlike the ever-present AVI

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hads:

Mmm, pity it's not more widely accepted/supported.

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gbee:

directhex: if it plays with ffplay (ffmpeg) then yes it should play with mythtv or will do after the next ffmpeg re-sync

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hads:

I can play them

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gbee:

but whether we support the filetype or not, crashes need fixing :D

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directhex|work:

fine, fine, backtrace it is

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directhex|work:

at least this one's trivially reproducible#

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gbee:

thanks :)

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directhex|work:

i hope i have debug symbols on my build

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hads:

Although if you have a few it can add up.

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gpd:

seems to be generating enought head to warm up the lounge!

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gardengnome:

650W sounds like "zomg! overkill!!1"

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quicksilver:

it may have a 650W psu but it won't draw that power unless it needs it

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quicksilver:

and getting a desktop system to draw 650W would be quite an acheivement

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gpd:

quicksilver: agreed – but how do I know just how much power it is really using

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gpd:

my girlfriend is convinced it is the fault of the machines :(

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fryfrog:

gpd: attach a device that reads how many watts its pulling

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hads:

multimeter

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gpd:

I prefer the dishwasher / hairdryer / iron argument :D

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fryfrog:

seriously, a hair dryer is like 1000 watts or something

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XLV:

gardengnome, just because the psu can deliver 650W max, doesnt mean your pc uses all of that

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fryfrog:

and it *does* use 1000W when ever its on

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gardengnome:

but it's not turned on all the time...

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Merlin83b:

Kettles, too.

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fryfrog:

true

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gpd:

fryfrog: hads – ok that was my plan – just need to find one of those: what is my google search term ?

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: however you don't run a hairdryer for hours at a time :)

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Merlin83b:

killawatt

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gardengnome:

XLV: no kidding. but i don't know many desktop boxen that'd actually benefit from such an oversized PSU

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directhex|work:

gpd, under load, a dual xeon server will pull ~330w

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gpd:

I worry that my nvidia 6800 and 8800 are pulling the power

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directhex|work:

gpd, and that's old hot irwindales

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fryfrog:

I'd guess that an average system uses 100W or less

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Merlin83b:

directhex|work: And the rest!

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fryfrog:

so basically a single lightbulb on all the time

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directhex|work:

yes, those will pull ~100w each

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gardengnome:

directhex|work: under load

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gbee:

anyone got a displaysize for 720x576 16:9 100dpi?

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directhex|work:

gardengnome, under load.

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gpd:

I worry that I bought a cheap PSU for one box and it isn't ecofriendly – it makes a hell of a noise for a start :(

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directhex|work:

cheap power supplies are lower efficiency, generally

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juski:

gbee: 400 225 works for me

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juski:

gbee: not 100dpi but themes work fine

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gbee:

juski: ok, I was actually using that one – themes looked fine, but thought I'd compare it against true 100dpi

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XLV:

psu efficiency, or even how they conform to specs .. troublesome topic.. look at tests of even brand psus, how they fail at even lower loads they are claimed to handle

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gbee:

meanwhile I've actually calculated a true 100dpi displaysize on a scrap of paper

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juski:

gbee: what is it then?

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tzanger:

mythtranscode -m -v audio -i /mnt/mythmedia/1291_20070424060000.nuv -o /tmp/x

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tzanger:

if I get back a "no more queue slots" — what does tha tmean?

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tzanger:

I have no jobs running at the moment

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gpd:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=38343 <-- just the job :)

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juski:

gpd: don't do it!

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gpd:

juski: ?

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juski:

gpd: but stuff from maplin.

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juski:

*buy

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juski:

they're the evils

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gpd:

alternative?

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juski:

suppose you won't harm much buying the plugin power meter

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juski:

just give em a slap from me will ya?

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gpd:

are they significantly worse than any other highstreet retailer?

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gbee:

directhex: so far it plays fine here

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gpd:

or do you have a more deep seated grudge?

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gbee:

directhex: does the segfault occur when starting to play it? or during playback? (only I'm using QT 3.3.8 so 'mythtv' filename always ends with a segfault here ;) )

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gpd:

juski: is it price/service/dementia of staff or other?

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directhex|work:

gbee, instantly when starting playback

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gbee:

directhex: in which case I can't reproduce it

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tzanger:

hmm it appears that mythtv isn't recording the AC3 streams at all from the dish

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tzanger:

nuvinfo on all the .nuv files is 2 channel

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tzanger:

nope I'm wrong

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tzanger:

nuvs are transcoded already

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tzanger:

the mpg it grabbed from the stream has ac3

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tzanger:

woo

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tzanger:

VIDEO MPEG2(pid=1303) AUDIO A52(pid=4303) NO SUBS (yet)! PROGRAM N. 1

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directhex|work:

gbee, hm, i'll poke about more thoroughly this evening then.

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gbee:

tzanger: when playing them you know you can change the audio track from the OSD menu?

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tzanger:

yes I do know that

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tzanger:

I'm just recording them and I'll convert to xvid ac3 by hand

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tzanger:

since nuvexport doesn't support ac3 copy

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goreguts:

and when i try to import it says the transcoding daemon isnt running

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gbee:

oh yeah, whilst I remember – why might the livetv 'window' be missing in the LiveTV guide?

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plb:

argh video works but no sound now

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plb:

anyone know how to get sound working with cable from tuner > sound card

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plb:

without*

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clever:

im doing that:)

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clever:

tuner card to line in?

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plb:

yeah

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clever:

alsa or oss?

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clever:

and do you have several audio cards?

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plb:

i have an audigy

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plb:

thats it

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clever:

try opening a terminal and run this

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clever:

alsamixer

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clever:

then unmute the line in

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plb:

ok

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clever:

that will simply feed the audio directly thru the card to the speakers

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clever:

wont do for mythtv but it prooves you have it wired in properly

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clever:

one of my cables was dead when i was messing with it

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plb:

so I hook my speakers right up to the tuner?

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clever:

hook them to the sound card

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plb:

they are

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clever:

or just try every output and input you have

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plb:

I got some pv878p tuner card for free so I'm trying to get it working ;]

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clever:

does the card have a audio input?

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plb:

yes and output

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clever:

ahhh:)

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clever:

no idea how to get that one to work

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clever:

but i know how to get it all going with a seperate audio card

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plb:

well I do have an onboard card heh

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clever:

i have a seperate pci audio card just for mythtv

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clever:

yeah you can use that:)

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clever:

i was keeping my onboard card for the desktop sounds

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clever:

so i could have 1 sound on the tv and another at the desk

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plb:

hence the audigy

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clever:

alsamixer -c 0

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clever:

should open up card 0

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clever:

unmute the line in

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clever:

alsamixer -c 1

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clever:

repeat

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clever:

and keep going up till it crashes because your out of cards

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clever:

esc key exits the program

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clever:

once your done all the linein's on every card should be un muted

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plb:

it wouldn't even work in windows

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plb:

I think it's a hw problem

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clever:

then you can get behind it and randomly move the in and out cables over everything

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clever:

till something works

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plb:

heh

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clever:

also 50 pairs of headphones can help:P

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clever:

hook speakers to every single output you have:P

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plb:

well I did find a solution to the problem but I can't get it working...

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clever:

:(

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plb:

i can't seem to get a /dev/dsp2

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clever:

btaudio is for bt(brooktree) tv input cards

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clever:

very old and crappy frame grabber based ones

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clever:

like what i have:P

[15:38:41]

plb:

for bttv driver?

[15:38:44]

clever:

yeah

[15:38:48]

plb:

thats what i have

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plb:

heh

[15:38:51]

clever:

lol

[15:39:02]

clever:

i didnt even try to get the cards inputs going

[15:39:02]

plb:

pixel view bt878p+

[15:39:09]

plb:

is what I have

[15:39:10]

clever:

i have a bt848 i think

[15:39:19]

clever:

video highway extreme

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plb:

videos fine just no sound

[15:39:51]

clever:

i didnt try getting my cards inputs to work

[15:40:02]

clever:

i just grabed a pci audio card i had laying arround and shoved it in

[15:40:09]

clever:

so mythtv has a whole card just to itself

[15:40:32]

clever:

http://www.bttv-gallery.de/

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clever:

that has data and images on nearly every bt based card

[15:41:06]

clever:

even with my 150kb/sec dsl it takes 10mins to load

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plb:

i have the 1st one

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clever:

lol lucky:P

[15:41:31]

clever:

i spent 20mins scrolling thru it till i found my card

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clever:

halfway down the page

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plb:

heh

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juuva:

I got 2 or 3.. and soon they are worth nothing, analog broadcasting ends in few months here :)

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clever:

http://www.bttv-gallery.de/Aimslab_Video_High . . . HX_Bt848.jpg is what i have

[15:43:19]

clever:

'Aimslab Video Highway Xtreme (VHX)' on that list

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clever:

it has an fm input also

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clever:

never even got that working in winblows

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clever:

after adding a pci audio card

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plb:

hm

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Redtht:

quick question, i have an ati usb remote... ati_usb is loading fine with when I plug it in... is there any real advantage i'd gain by using lirc_atiusb instead of just ati_usb + xmodmap + xbindkeys ?

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quicksilver:

my gut feeling is that lirc is a bit easier to administer

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quicksilver:

but, YMMV

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quicksilver:

with lirc you can havae different assignments depending on which app is in the foreground

[16:10:49]

quicksilver:

and you can do 'irexec' type stuff; i.e. a button which directly launches a program

[16:12:11]

Redtht:

hmm so it might be worth a look

[16:12:28]

Redtht:

yeah i forgot about different assignments for different apps, that could be useful

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Redtht:

thanks quicksilver that decides it :)

[16:14:57]

juski:

gpd: maplin only employ muppets, so you make yer mind up ;)

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juski:

I _know_ I'm depressed now. Hearing Coldplay just cheered me the F. up

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xris:

juski: you see the new mockup?

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juski:

xris: yeah. leaves me very very cold

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fryfrog:

quicksilver: tell me more about this irexec!

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fryfrog:

i was thinking i could bind the "red" button to like "pkill mythfrontend" and the blue to "ssh -e sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend restart"

[16:25:24]

gpd:

Ok dudes: the Watt numbers are in...

[16:25:32]

Redtht:

yeah i think i setup lirc right, but gotta wait till i get home from work to see if i did

[16:26:06]

gpd:

Desktop 1: 650W, Core 2, nvidia 8800, 3 drives = 180W

[16:26:35]

gpd:

Desktop 2: 350W cheap psu, nvidia 6800, 1 drive = 92W

[16:26:41]

gpd:

both of those are when running mythfrontend

[16:28:18]

gpd:

Iron... 2450W when warming!

[16:28:49]

gpd:

Curiously, if your cpu is not unplugged it uses 3W

[16:29:04]

gpd:

When the LCD TV is on standby it uses 10W

[16:29:18]

Merlin83b:

That's not really very curious, gpd :-P

[16:29:32]

Redtht:

yeah i should figure out my consumption

[16:29:46]

fryfrog:

gpd: how'd you figure it out, btw?

[16:29:57]

Redtht:

the lady is already on my case about having a pc in the living room consuming power

[16:30:03]

gpd:

I bought that thing from maplin linked above

[16:30:52]

gpd:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=38343&DOY=14m5

[16:31:16]

fryfrog:

okay, stupid question...

[16:31:29]

fryfrog:

lircrc xine/mplayer stuff all goes in the same lircrc file, right?

[16:32:25]

gbee:

yeah

[16:32:48]

gbee:

or no, I can't remember now – mighht use .lircrc in the home dir

[16:33:10]

gbee:

in which case, put them in the same file as the mythtv rules and then create a symlink

[16:34:27]

gbee:

so, any thoughts on why the livetv video is missing from the guide?

[16:34:35]

fryfrog:

yeah, actually i have an /etc/lirc/lircrc that is symlinked to .mythtv/lircrc

[16:34:53]

fryfrog:

are you *starting* the guide from watching livetv? or just going right to the guide?

[16:35:15]

gbee:

fryfrog: yeah, starting from livetv

[16:35:39]

gbee:

it's the livetv guide, the space for the video is there but not being displayed

[16:37:07]

gbee:

iirc there is some issue with the dpi and whether the video gets displayed, but I've tried an exact 100dpi displaysize and it didn't change things

[16:45:44]

gbee:

bleh, guess I'll shove some debugging lines in there to figure out the issue

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juski:

gbee: I've seen that problem & isn't it normally that the display has no xv that that happens?

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juski:

cyrexion: wouldn't you just get the lineup from zap2it?

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xris:

cyrexion: use zap2it.

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xris:

you'll need an IR blaster to control the box, too

[17:01:20]

fryfrog:

whelp, now to go home and test my red and green buttons :)

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fryfrog:

now anyone that haxors my FE will be able to totally own restarting my BE :?

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fryfrog:

s/?//

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cyrexion:

juski, xiris: right... there is an option to "Fetch channels from listings source" — is there a default path I can specify for the field that appears below that?

[17:14:32]

sebrock:

I need help, MythTV wont start TV: this is the log: http://www.pastebin.ca/487773

[17:14:52]

sebrock:

while mplayer can play /dev7video1 without problems

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plb:

finally got sound working ;]

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neuro7:

hye does anybody kno wa site with a step by step setup for mythtv like all th ecommands you ahve to type in? i had a site but now my bookmark dosent work and i cant find it. any help?

[17:16:10]

sebrock:

congrats.... my frontend stops responding...

[17:16:30]

plb:

although i guess the card has a radio now how the hell do i use it

[17:16:36]

sebrock:

neuro7, what distro?

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plb:

i installed some radio ncurces app but hm no sound heh

[17:16:46]

plb:

i guess

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sebrock:

plb, what card is it?

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plb:

sebrock: pixelview 878p

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neuro7:

im usingthe latest ubuntu edgy fit

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plb:

something like that

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sebrock:

ok

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sebrock:

neuro7, well check ubuntu documentation / forums, they have great howtos

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plb:

anything special you have to do to get radio working?

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plb:

i have /dev/radio0

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sebrock:

neuro7, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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neuro7:

hmm that might have been the other place i saw the guide. thanks ill check it out now

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plb:

anyone know howto get radio on tuner card up and running?

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plb:

tv works fine

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plb:

i do have a /dev/radio0

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frink_:

grrr

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sebrock:

anyone knows why MythTV frontend has problems opening /dev/video1?

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frink_:

hmm

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frink_:

why would the front end open that?

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sebrock:

and thus crashing?

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sebrock:

sorry bakcned

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frink_:

ahh :)

[17:35:06]

sebrock:

look at the log: http://www.pastebin.ca/487773

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frink_:

does /dev/video1 exist? are the permissions OK?

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sebrock:

says it can't open device... Hmm... i guess, mplayer does it just fine

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sebrock:

how should the permissions be?

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frink_:

eno: Device or resource busy (16)

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frink_:

any other video thing running?

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sebrock:

no...

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sebrock:

crw-rw----

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sebrock:

thats how it looks now

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sebrock:

crwxrwxrwx that now gonna check

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sebrock:

nope

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sebrock:

craches with black screen

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sebrock:

simpy stops responding

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frink_:

perms are ok

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frink_:

the log says the device is busy

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sebrock:

well its not :/

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sebrock:

I can play it anytime using mplayer

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frink_:

odd

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frink_:

gah

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frink_:

I have to feed my baby...

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frink_:

back later!

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frink_:

sorry sebrock

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sebrock:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone using an ATI radeon here ?

[18:05:26]

kemik:

is there a way to log on a remoteserver, start an X app and *not* redirect output to the client, but instead let it run as if i were sitting locally (display on the remoteservers 'native' display)?

[18:05:43]

kemik:

used to on my desktop.. not anymore though

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GreyFoxx:

kemik: Set the DISPLAY variable

[18:06:14]

GreyFoxx:

your ssh client is setting it , assuming you want to tunnel the X display back to your local machine

[18:06:19]

kemik:

GreyFoxx: yeah, but to what? tried all sorts of weird stuff :)

[18:06:23]

GreyFoxx:

just run "export DISPLAY=:0"

[18:06:25]

kemik:

yea, it's tunneling now

[18:06:31]

kemik:

aaa.. done :0.0

[18:07:11]

** gpd is disturbed that a single high spec desktop box running 24/7 costs $33/mo in UK **

[18:07:36]

GreyFoxx:

gpd: $33 for power ?

[18:07:41]

gpd:

yup

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directhex:

gpd, on the basis of what power consumption?

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gpd:

Welcome to RipOff Britain...

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gpd:

assuming my calculations are correct using 200W

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Redth:

yeah computers are expensive to run

[18:08:56]

directhex:

so that's 0.2 units an hour, or 144 units a month

[18:09:04]

Redth:

i'm gonna have to get it all setup nice to hibernate... problem then is recordings

[18:09:18]

directhex:

what do you pay per unit? 8–9p is about right i suppose, so your maths just about adds up

[18:09:21]

UnderFire:

GreyFoxx: I'm setting up a box using an ATI Radeon 9200.

[18:09:30]

directhex:

gah, WHY? >_<

[18:09:31]

gpd:

yeah it is about 9.8p per kWh

[18:10:19]

gpd:

I guess I"ll be turning off the Core 2 / 8800 beasty at night

[18:10:22]

directhex:

gpd, my back-end is a pentium-d. and due to idiocy by asus, cpu scaling doesn't work :(

[18:10:56]

directhex:

gpd, core 2's okay. about half the power consumption of pentium-d :x

[18:11:04]

directhex:

gpd, the 8800 is a hungry beast though

[18:11:16]

gpd:

this is with scaling. My backend atm is a AMD64 3200+ which runs at a more respectable 92W with mythfrontend

[18:11:19]

juski:

gpd: think yourself lucky that you don't have an athlon xpoo

[18:12:04]

gpd:

i was surprised that leaving the NAD amp on — doing nothing — wasted 50W

[18:12:12]

gpd:

things like that add up...

[18:12:14]

tzanger:

NAD?

[18:12:21]

gpd:

HiFi

[18:12:22]

juski:

heheh. good old class C amps

[18:12:26]

tzanger:

ahh

[18:12:58]

gpd:

hah: their slogan is powered by passion...

[18:13:03]

gpd:

$$$ more like!

[18:13:06]

gpd:

http://nadelectronics.com/index

[18:13:35]

juski:

good god, will the official thread on the .org redesign get some fsking _direction_ please?!

[18:14:42]

juski:

oh wait no, I said it didn't bother me..

[18:14:49]

directhex:

i don't like mailing lists

[18:15:09]

juski:

I hate forums :)

[18:15:57]

directhex:

i prefer the passive nature of posting without being force-fed the replies

[18:16:09]

directhex:

i unsubscribed from the mythtv mailing list rather quickly

[18:16:17]

GreyFoxx:

but I think I've foudn what I need thanks to google :)

[18:16:24]

juski:

directhex: the -users list I'm subscribed to but I don't get the emails :)

[18:17:16]

juski:

woop! "Linus released the 2.6.22-rc1 kernel which contains for the first time ivtv! "

[18:17:46]

GreyFoxx:

damn, I just updated a machine yesterday top 2.6.20.11 :)

[18:18:27]

** directhex installs 2.6.22 on his altix for shiny new-kernel goodness. no, wait... Â¬_Â¬ **

[18:18:29]

GreyFoxx:

looks like I missed .21 in the list when I grabbed the source

[18:18:33]

UnderFire:

GreyFoxx: I just installed the OS last night before bed... should I be expecting any problems with the Radeon?

[18:18:51]

GreyFoxx:

UnderFire: I generally avoid ATI cards under linux as they tend to be a pain

[18:19:01]

juski:

screw it. I'm gonna stop looking at the mailing lists, the forums & peering in here

[18:19:06]

directhex:

in the same way having an arm lopped off with a spork is a pain, yes

[18:19:10]

juski:

it's all too fucking depressing

[18:19:35]

directhex:

juski, stay away from sharpened sporks

[18:19:40]

gardengnome:

juski: your depression isn't deep enough if you can still complain about it :)

[18:20:09]

juski:

the forum users have gone from posting NO info, to reams of completely useless info

[18:23:25]

juski:

hmm GTA beckons. time to kill some people

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directhex:

svn mythweb is sorta cool

[18:31:30]

Redth:

is there something new on svn of it?

[18:31:42]

Redth:

i just have the latest feisty package for it

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plb:

clever: ya still there?

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directhex:

Redth, there's a lot. ask gardengnome if you want to try his svn package

[18:32:27]

clever:

yeah

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Redth:

any hints?

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plb:

what does the "tuner=" param for? I know what card= is for

[18:33:14]

Redth:

directhex: any striking features?

[18:34:02]

directhex:

Redth, the mythmusic ui is usable now. recorded programs is smarter & better laid out. mythvideo looks more impressive

[18:34:30]

Redth:

how bout settings/config

[18:34:35]

Redth:

can we change more now?

[18:35:05]

directhex:

settings has been cleaned up a bit. not sure you can change more per se, but it's nicer to do

[18:35:36]

Redth:

i find the backend pretty uninspiring

[18:35:45]

Redth:

i'd rather have a nice gtk interface

[18:35:51]

juski:

plb: radio features don't work in myth *TV*

[18:35:56]

plb:

i know

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directhex:

Redth, a nice gtk interface for an app written in qt?

[18:37:06]

Redth:

directhex: heh yeah my bad... anyways a nice widget based app

[18:37:14]

Redth:

i don't like having the full on themed interface

[18:37:22]

juski:

Redth: anything constructive to offer AT ALL then?

[18:37:41]

juski:

people slave away for hours, days & weeks over themes & the thanks they get is what you say?

[18:37:42]

directhex:

Redth, the database spec is fairly well known. if you want to make one, then feel free

[18:37:53]

Redth:

directhex: perhaps some time in the future

[18:38:09]

directhex:

Redth, but by using the same UI for configuration as end-use, it brings a more coherent feel to myth & makes it more feasible to make a "mythtv device"

[18:38:10]

Redth:

i just find the current interface slow for vnc'ing from work ;)

[18:38:18]

juski:

hey I know just rewrite the whole application in PERL

[18:38:22]

Redth:

but absolutely i don't think it should go away

[18:38:22]

juski:

Redth: use FreeNX

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directhex:

juski, pfft. java, with a SOAP interface to the backend daemon

[18:38:57]

juski:

freeNX even over a 4Mbit broadband pipe is just like being here

[18:39:12]

Redth:

yeah i may try setting that up...

[18:39:19]

juski:

and my upload stream is only 256kbit

[18:39:22]

juski:

on a good day

[18:39:42]

juski:

so dont you go dissing da themes

[18:39:55]

Redth:

oh i didn't mean it like that ;)

[18:40:06]

Redth:

i just found it tedious the past couple days that's all

[18:40:21]

Redth:

but it's a necessity for when you want to change stuff on the couch with the remote

[18:40:27]

juski:

anyway the amount of settings to be changed you could EASY write an app to replicate what mythtv-setup does for a lot of it – not the dvb scanning stuff though

[18:41:11]

directhex:

can't you call the functions in the mythtv-setup executable?

[18:41:18]

directhex:

t'is what i'd do in the .net land where i live

[18:41:22]

juski:

directhex: maybe not right now you can't

[18:41:28]

Redth:

i just thought that mythweb is a natural extension for this

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Redth:

especially since some of the settings are configurable already from it

[18:41:55]

juski:

it's been a long time since I've seen an actual _contribution_ so I think I'll svn update tonight

[18:42:11]

directhex:

juski, oi, i wrote an actual patch a few days ago! a patch!

[18:42:18]

juski:

#mythtv is the dev channel #mythtv-users is where the armchair devs hang out

[18:42:41]

Redth:

i used to be a mediaportal user, many years ago

[18:42:46]

juski:

lol

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directhex:

and i wrote a driver in sodding python. if anything deserves sympathy, it's writing in python

[18:42:52]

Redth:

i've only recently jjumped back into the htpc scene

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juski:

I tried to be a MP user a while ago.. wasn't hapenning much. I tried to RTFM but couldn't find one

[18:43:11]

Redth:

so, perhaps i'll stick around here.. i'm a so-so dev

[18:43:36]

directhex:

i can't remember why i gave up on mediaportal. i definitely tried every windows PVR app that didn't cost money

[18:43:46]

directhex:

s/money/money to try/

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Redth:

i still liked mediaportal alright

[18:43:54]

Redth:

i just need something that's a bit more stable

[18:43:54]

juski:

I wanted to know why it wanted to use 50% of my 2800XP just sitting there doing fuck all

[18:44:20]

Redth:

if it's not wife-proof, it doesn't last long

[18:44:30]

juski:

Redth: you mean it's not?

[18:44:36]

juski:

blimey

[18:44:45]

juski:

not even my wife manages to break mythtv often

[18:44:50]

Redth:

that's good to hear

[18:44:53]

Redth:

there's hope then

[18:44:54]

juski:

by God she tries hard enough

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directhex:

_I_ manage to break mythtv often. it's better behaved with svn though

[18:45:09]

juski:

having a separate frontend helps lots though ;)

[18:45:16]

Redth:

oo yeah i don't have that setup

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juski:

MP is getting that now thanks to the goodness (!) of MS sql server

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Redth:

i know last time i relied on media portal it was less stable

[18:45:55]

Redth:

but that was a long time ago, way before tvserver3

[18:46:14]

juski:

it's so funny we get folks coming here whining about mythtv needing mysql, then mediaportal start using one!

[18:46:18]

Redth:

and i had an ir blaster i had to use

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Redth:

and i had to write a plugin just to get it all working

[18:46:46]

Redth:

this time i'm getting a dvb-s card

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directhex:

you're not in .uk are you?

[18:47:16]

Redth:

no

[18:47:22]

directhex:

that's okay then

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Redth:

why

[18:47:38]

** GreyFoxx has 4 frontends, 1 mbe + frontend, and 1 sbe and the only time anything breaks is when I was fscking with the underlying hardware or OS :) **

[18:47:51]

directhex:

not much going on DVB-S-wise in the uk

[18:47:56]

Redth:

ahh

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Redth:

there's quite a few sats here in north america

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juski:

directhex: tell the truth!

[18:48:18]

juski:

not much going on unless you like religion or gameshows!

[18:48:22]

directhex:

okay, bskyb hate babies and eat puppies

[18:48:27]

juski:

oh and shopping

[18:48:47]

directhex:

so there's bugger all you ca get on dvb-s without breaking the terms of a bskyb contract

[18:48:52]

Redth:

well i don't have a problem running sasc-ng either, if i'm paying for service and the provider won't offer a cam

[18:49:07]

juski:

Redth: apart from you can't even mention it here

[18:49:12]

Redth:

noted.

[18:50:07]

juski:

sudo apt-get install php5-mysql

[18:50:09]

juski:

doh!

[18:50:13]

Redth:

heh

[18:50:20]

juski:

this should be fun

[18:50:27]

juski:

svn mythweb without the aid of a safety net

[18:50:27]

directhex:

what's juski up to today?

[18:50:44]

juski:

on umbongo festery

[18:51:06]

juski:

oh my god

[18:51:22]

juski:

it's not enough to have /var/www now – it's got to have apache2-default

[18:52:55]

kemik:

craaap.. i can do 'startx' and it goes to X... but doing 'xclock' or 'mythfrontend' i get a bogus errormsg :(

[18:53:29]

kemik:

X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.

[18:53:38]

juski:

and feisty doesn't seem to have a www:data group

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juski:

ffs guys

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juski:

next thing I find out will be that they actually listened to the apache people & made the config sane

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directhex:

it's www-data:www-data

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juski:

ah

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juski:

funny but it's not listed in the group manager

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directhex:

GIDs under 100 are hidden iirc

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directhex:

the thought probably being "you know how to fuck with this by hand if you need to mess with GIDs under 100"

[18:59:17]

UnderFire:

Anyone useing VLC? I want to use my frontend for DIVX playback, and VLC looks pretty solid. Just wondering if anyone has direct experience with it.

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juski:

UnderFire: xine works just fine for me. if digital audio worked with internal, properly – I'd be using that instead

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directhex:

UnderFire, i used to use VLC for DVDs and mplayer for files. i'm planning on dumping mplayer as much as poss though

[19:01:11]

juski:

xine ftw!

[19:01:12]

directhex:

juski, where's that big myth logo?

[19:01:22]

juski:

directhex: why?

[19:01:26]

juski:

and er.. dunno!

[19:01:44]

directhex:

juski, to clean up my /var/www/ with links to the assorted webapps installed on my machine

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juski:

FOR HELL'S SAKES FOLLOW IRC ETTIQUETTE & STOP MSGING ME WITHOUT PERMISSION YOU IDIOT

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directhex:

/msg juski can u hlp me install mythtv plz i installed slackware n have a black screen sayin "login:" how i load linux?

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UnderFire:

shit... sorry. Your reply was highlighted red on my screen. I assumed you had messaged me.

[19:06:54]

goreguts:

and when i try to import it says the transcoding daemon isnt running

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juski:

goreguts: then you need the transcoding daemon running

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juski:

amazing!

[19:07:21]

goreguts:

i dont even know what that is

[19:07:30]

juski:

aka mtd

[19:07:33]

juski:

see the wiki

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UnderFire:

haven't use IRC since the mid-90s. amazing, indeed

[19:07:44]

juski:

m t d == myth transcoding daemon

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juski:

not to be confuzzled with mythtranscode

[19:08:02]

goreguts:

but really, i'm more concerned about the playing of dvds

[19:08:14]

juski:

no, I dunno why it wasn't called the DVD transcoding daemon either

[19:08:39]

juski:

it's not even clear why video sources are so called when they're not what their name implies.. but hey

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directhex:

mmm... video sauce

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gbee:

goreguts: re playing DVDs, have you got libdvdcss2 installed?

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Dagmar:

juski: THat sounds dangerously like a bug report

[19:11:27]

juski:

woo I've got database access denied, which is nice

[19:12:06]

juski:

Dagmar: i think it should remain as confusing to noobs as possible, just out of spite. we never had it easy after all

[19:12:07]

Dagmar:

Although I do agree it coud be named better... broadcast source might work, or perhaps 'signal origin'

[19:12:24]

juski:

Dagmar: I think "EPG data sources" would hit the nail right on the very head

[19:12:26]

goreguts:

gbee: i do have that installed

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Dagmar:

I'm sure there would be people trying to argue that the word 'broadcast' would be inappropriate

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Dagmar:

juski: Yeah except that would mean "Zap2it" for most people

[19:12:53]

juski:

Dagmar: so?

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juski:

calls the digging implement an actual spade, which is what I'd be after

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goreguts:

gbee: well i have libdvdcss, version 1.2.9

[19:13:14]

gbee:

methinks juski is slowly from a mythtv advocate into it's number one critic

[19:13:30]

juski:

gbee: advocate? I dropped that title ages ago

[19:13:31]

gbee:

goreguts: in which case you need to look at the log to see why it's failing

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directhex:

juski's a true patriot

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directhex:

blindly supporting something is worthless

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Hoxzer:

juski is father like figure to me <3

[19:14:07]

directhex:

by highlighting flaws, you can help improve

[19:14:12]

mIRCat:

God, Country, OS in that order?

[19:14:27]

juski:

that's it I definitely AM gonna walk right up to the goddamn light ASAP

[19:15:10]

juski:

if only I could live for one day without feeling so bitter & twisted. I wonder how it'd feel

[19:15:41]

directhex:

juski, a lot like being drunk

[19:15:55]

juski:

not been that drunk in a while

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gbee:

I'm just a little concerned that by the time of LRL juski is going to be standing on a table at the stand preaching about the evils of mythtv ;)

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Redth:

i've got one foot in either world

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juski:

been dwelling on the very fact today actually. the lad who demoed the 'awesome' Nintendo DS Linux hack remarked smugly that "unlike mythtv, this JUST WORKS", I felt like jumping up & smacking the git

[19:18:58]

directhex:

mythtv has become horrifyingly easy compared to when i first installed it, 2 years ago

[19:19:05]

Redth:

same here

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Redth:

i tried it around that time

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Redth:

passed it off, and chose mediaportal (which was still hard)

[19:19:36]

juski:

Redth: it still is :)

[19:19:36]

directhex:

juski, the retort there is "unlike DSlinux, this IS ACTUALLY USEFUL" by the way

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Dagmar:

juski: Just flat out call bullshit

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gbee:

I've got at least three code changes to write as a result of re-installing mythtv and installing the PVR-150 – mythtv is far from perfect, but at least it might get a little better over time ;)

[19:20:01]

juski:

directhex: it would've been very rude to start heckling him

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kormoc:

juski, at barcamp, I had one guy complain about how hard myth was to setup and I asked him when he last tried it, he said, 0.8 or so... maybe 0.6, and I was like, uhh... try now

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Dagmar:

It was rude for him to take a pot shot at an unrelated project

[19:21:02]

directhex:

free software developers are by and large autistic trolls with no social skills. expect rudeness

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Dagmar:

SO?

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gbee:

I really don't have time for people who complain without a) Trying hard enough OR b) Supplying patches

[19:22:22]

Dagmar:

Free software users are largely trolls with no interest in learning anything

[19:22:39]

Redth:

i spent awhile getting it working the other day but that was beause i didn't read that i shouldn't be using the v4l input ;)

[19:23:41]

juski:

the altruism of a large part of the community is just sickening to me. I need to have a fucking good bitch & see people agree with me that users have no right to reply if they can't offer a single constructive patch/bug report

[19:24:15]

juski:

I also need this week to be over and *soon*

[19:24:27]

Redth:

it's monday

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juski:

unbelievable pressure at work, which is why there are cracks in my head

[19:24:47]

Redth:

what do you do for work

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juski:

hardware dev. technician. currently building prototype machines for a tradeshow

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gbee:

juski: I have a limit, I will help people up until that point but then I have to walk away

[19:26:14]

gbee:

occassionally I have to rant as a way of unwinding

[19:26:20]

juski:

hahaha! I know why mythweb's not worky here. I left the mysql mythtv user's password as the random one!

[19:26:26]

juski:

DUHHHHHHHHHH

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gbee:

but mostly I have to be a little altruistic and so do you, otherwise you wouldn't be producing themes and I wouldn't be writing code

[19:27:52]

juski:

yeah but when people just say "mythtv SHOULD" it boils my pee

[19:28:15]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, but people are idiots by and large who feel they are entitled to every thing for $5 yesterday

[19:28:54]

juski:

oh wow. you need to restart apache after making changes to the mythweb.conf file..

[19:28:58]

juski:

yay!

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mIRCat:

Mythtv should flash acrss the screen in large letters – R E P E N T

[19:29:43]

juski:

WHOAH

[19:29:47]

gbee:

anyone who something for nothing pisses me off – I can't see how anyone justifies demanding something from open source devs when they've paid nothing for the product

[19:29:50]

directhex:

gbee, found it. it's only my anime crashing the frontend with Internal – so it's either the multiple audio streams, or the subtitle stream, causing it to crash

[19:29:51]

GreyFoxx:

one problem that we have is that there is no single distro, there is no single set of hardware choices so covering all options on all platforms on all distros is crazy

[19:30:00]

juski:

oh man I shoulda looked at this yesterday.. the new mythwebby thingy rocks!

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Makes for nice playlist editing too

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Redth:

i think in a lot of cases, it's not so much 'i demand this feature be made' but a 'wow i reaaaally like this so far, and it would be awesome if this could happen'

[19:30:42]

juski:

GreyFoxx: the overriding thing about mythtv is that more than half the time you can bet your life it's not mythtv's fault something didn't work out for a user

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gbee:

directhex: if you don't mind installing ffmpeg from source (very quick and easy) then try playing it with ffplay – if it doesn't crash then it's a mythtv bug, otherwise it's an ffmpeg bug and needs to be reported upstream

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juski:

example... lirc

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GreyFoxx:

It's rarely myth's fault. It's usually a driver/hardware/enduser config progblem. Of course they assume it's the app :)

[19:31:17]

Redth:

i know i expect NOTHING from free software... but i can dream

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GreyFoxx:

Redth: People do demand, or *gasp* threaten to stop using the app and find something else* .... hehe they don';t realize this isn't like loosing paying customers :)

[19:32:10]

mIRCat:

If people want features they shouldn't mind paying a bounty

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juuva:

do you know any windows frontend for myth... would need one for gf

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Redth:

well, those people are idiots

[19:32:25]

Redth:

the squeaky wheel is heard the most, right?

[19:32:32]

GreyFoxx:

yup

[19:32:58]

Redth:

so they should be told to go dig for oil

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gbee:

Redth: the problem with people saying "This feature would be cool" is that whether they know it or not, they are asking someone else to do the work which isn't in order

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juski:

juuva: no windows frontend, though some programs are available to play back recordings. all of them are ugly VB apps IMHO

[19:33:39]

Redth:

yeah gbee but let's face it, the majority of users aren't capable to help out

[19:33:45]

directhex:

juuva, there's something like "mythtv player" which kinda sorta works ish

[19:34:36]

juuva:

directhex: looked for it a bit, no possibility to live tv?

[19:34:36]

Redth:

ultimately in foss, the developers get some kick out of coding, or at the very least, do it so they can use it themselves

[19:34:43]

gbee:

don't get me wrong, wishlists do have their place – I've seen a couple of good ideas in the mythtv wishlist that have inspired me to work on the code, but the majority of them will only happen if the people with the ideas do the work

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directhex:

gbee, sorry matey, fine in ffplay – including audio stream switching

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directhex:

gbee, looks like i'll need to add an SRT renderer though. that's a project for the weekend though

[19:35:26]

Redth:

but yeah if a user wants some obscure feature, and nobody else doing the work cares about it, of course they're up the creek if they aren't willing to put the effort into it themselves

[19:35:27]

gbee:

directhex: np, backtrace and ticket then :)

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Dagmar:

Redth: How is that different from anything else in life?

[19:36:14]

Redth:

it's not

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Redth:

i think what we have here, is a non-issue

[19:37:28]

juski:

and wow talk about rapid.. this new mythweb!

[19:37:37]

juski:

I think this is almost enough for me to switch to svn

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directhex:

gbee, yeah yeah, will do. where do i start looking to add SRT subtitle stream support into Internal? and is nicking code from other GPL projects to facilitate it frowned upon?

[19:38:03]

UnderFire:

Would DirectShow filters allow you to watch live TV (from Myth backend) on Windows?

[19:38:07]

directhex:

juski, you sound positively enthused

[19:38:12]

gbee:

juski: it's nice, needs a few minor things doing to it though

[19:38:19]

UnderFire:

I'm looking at the dsmyth project on SF, BTW

[19:38:38]

juski:

mythmusic is amazing compared to what it was too

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gbee:

directhex: actually I thought we already had SRT support

[19:38:55]

juski:

we'll be demoing svn for sure

[19:39:18]

gbee:

directhex: nicking code is fine, since that is the point of opensource really – the sharing of code and ideas

[19:39:53]

Redth:

hmm.. did i read something awhile ago saying xbmc could be used as a frontend?

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juski:

heh if nicking code was a nono there'd be no juski's themes!

[19:40:15]

juski:

Redth: it sucks

[19:40:15]

gbee:

juski: glad you said that, frankly 0.20 is a turd compared to SVN imho

[19:40:29]

juski:

gbee: lol

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Dagmar:

It's not "nicking". It's "refusing to reinvent the wheel"

[19:40:58]

Dagmar:

...or "getting around someone being too lazy to write a proper shared lib" ;)

[19:41:07]

juski:

I've been letting work get to me way too much lately. our new products have got me overworked & very worried for the future of the company

[19:41:23]

Redth:

ahh i work for the govt

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Redth:

so i irc all day

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directhex:

gbee, it might already be there – hard to tell with the FE crashing on all my subbed files :)

[19:42:12]

juski:

directhex: just dump the files with seperate subs.. them is only daft manga or whatever anyways :-P

[19:42:39]

gbee:

which can equally go too far – the number of people who claim mythtv is reinventing the wheel e.g. According to one person we should be using kaffeine to play with a few perl scripts to glue things together and handle scheduling etc

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directhex:

separate subs? you think i have .srt junk on my disk?

[19:43:03]

juski:

directhex: I thought that was what you meant my srt streams

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juski:

*by

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directhex:

(ogminfo.c) (v1/serial 0) fps: 25.000 width height: 720x400 codec: 0x48323634 (H264)

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directhex:

(ogminfo.c) (a1/serial 1) codec: 8192 (0x2000) (AC3) bits per sample: 2 channels: 6 samples per second: 48000 avgbytespersec: 56000 blockalign: 1536

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directhex:

(ogminfo.c) (a2/serial 2) codec: 8192 (0x2000) (AC3) bits per sample: 2 channels: 2 samples per second: 48000 avgbytespersec: 24000 blockalign: 1536

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directhex:

(ogminfo.c) (t1/serial 3) text/subtitle stream

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juski:

oggy oggy oggy!

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gbee:

directhex: ahh, ok now I understand – we have external srt support, but no internal srt support – unless it's supported by ffmpeg

[19:44:44]

gbee:

it's not a subject I know a lot about

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juski:

you mean ogm isn't supported by ffmpeg? that's got to be irony

[19:44:57]

directhex:

well, me neither, but i've never let that stop me

[19:45:26]

directhex:

juski, the video & audio streams are fine in ffplay

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gbee:

ogm is supported, but the subtitle stream – no idea

[19:45:49]

juski:

directhex: maybe ffmpeg has support for the titles upstream already

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directhex:

i just want to dump mplayer, which doesn't support switching text or audio streams on ogm files outside the command line

[19:47:37]

directhex:

Subtitle options:

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directhex:

-scodec codec force subtitle codec ('copy' to copy stream)

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directhex:

-newsubtitle add a new subtitle stream to the current output stream

[19:47:37]

directhex:

-slang code set the ISO 639 language code (3 letters) of the current subtitle stream

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directhex:

what that means in actual use is anybody's guess

[19:48:40]

directhex:

Stream #0.3: Video: 0x0000, 1000000.00 fps(r)

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directhex:

not promising :|

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juski:

time to get some musak on this box

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mIRCat:

Nothing wrong with listening to dido

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juski:

dido.. hahaha

[19:51:35]

juski:

I'm depressed not fscking suicidal

[19:52:28]

Redth:

theming seems pretty simple, maybe i'll give one a go sometime soon

[19:52:35]

juski:

ROFLMAO

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Dagmar:

Seconded

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juski:

er.. I mean.. "good luck with that"

[19:53:04]

Redth:

;)

[19:53:18]

juski:

yeah all you do is edit some bitmaps & away you go.. couldn't possibly be easier than that now could it?

[19:53:51]

Redth:

seems more straightforward than some theming engines i've seen

[19:54:14]

Dagmar:

You know, I hear Bantam is going to release another edition of the Necronomicon, with a new chapter devoted exclusively to XML

[19:55:02]

Redth:

do animated gifs get displayed properly in themes?

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juski:

OMFG! mythmusic in mythweb is amazing

[19:55:12]

juski:

Redth: ROFLMAO again!!!!!!!

[19:55:30]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: you just now used it? :-)

[19:55:38]

juski:

animated PNG, FTW!

[19:55:42]

** TSCHAKWerk uses it to provide work music **

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mIRCat:

MPG?

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kormoc:

juski, poke at the new mythvideo in mythweb :P

[19:55:50]

mIRCat:

eer no

[19:55:52]

Redth:

png even better

[19:55:52]

juski:

not that mythtv supports animated PNGs either

[19:55:57]

Dagmar:

You're damn lucky it even tolerates png files

[19:55:57]

Redth:

ahh

[19:56:08]

Dagmar:

Don't push your luck asking for animated GIF or MNG support

[19:56:12]

juski:

screw lame flipbook animations

[19:56:27]

Redth:

are there any other facilities for getting animations in themes?

[19:56:27]

** TSCHAKWerk also uses mythweb's flash streamer like crazy **

[19:56:29]

kormoc:

Dagmar, animated bmp?

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** TSCHAKWerk contemplates giving kormoc a mushroom print. **

[19:56:53]

juski:

Redth: nope

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** Dagmar stabs kormoc in the eye **

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Redth:

darn

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directhex:

bugger. SRT support is marked as wishlist in ffmpeg

[19:57:07]

juski:

Redth: let's not go with any lame methods like flipbooks

[19:57:27]

juski:

let's face it they're crap & use memory.. and very very 2-dimensional

[19:57:40]

TSCHAKWerk:

we need openGL animation goodness

[19:57:42]

juski:

if we're to bother, make it worthwhile

[19:57:42]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-D

[19:57:48]

Redth:

yea no doubt

[19:57:54]

directhex:

juski complaining about memory usage?

[19:57:55]

Redth:

but if it were supported, it would work in a pinch

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kormoc:

what does mepo use for animated stuff?

[19:58:06]

juski:

kormoc: flipbook

[19:58:07]

directhex:

TSCHAKWerk, but opengl makes PVR350 users sad

[19:58:15]

juski:

numbered pngs

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kormoc:

ahh

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Redth:

welp, 4:00pm comes fast.. time to head home

[19:59:08]

TSCHAKWerk:

directhex: it's their own damned fault for not fully researching just how badly they suck

[19:59:10]

juski:

directhex: I'd say go for opengl like there's no tomrrow

[19:59:11]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[19:59:31]

TSCHAKWerk:

it's like a third testicle

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juski:

even to the point of if I have to dump the lame epia frontend, so be it

[19:59:41]

clever:

juski: you just gave me an idea

[19:59:49]

Dagmar:

Offloading work to hardware FTW

[19:59:58]

clever:

juski: what if mythweb grabed the first x frames of every video and made a animated image preview of the show

[20:00:06]

clever:

and included that in the mythweb

[20:00:17]

juski:

clever: what if I added you back into my ignore list?

[20:00:21]

clever:

lol

[20:00:26]

TSCHAKWerk:

*ba-dum-ching*

[20:00:32]

clever:

why was i there to begin with?:P

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** TSCHAKWerk bites his tongue **

[20:00:54]

TSCHAKWerk:

HARD

[20:01:28]

TSCHAKWerk:

. o O (resist the urge...to...be....an....asshole....)

[20:01:45]

juski:

TSCHAKWerk: don't resist. I never do. works for me

[20:01:56]

clever:

lol

[20:02:09]

TSCHAKWerk:

well i've passed the timing on the joke, so perhaps next time

[20:02:10]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[20:03:54]

juski:

clever: dont see the point in animated previes myself, but there ya go

[20:04:01]

Dagmar:

Slowly but surely, the program guide takes shape

[20:04:11]

clever:

mythfrontend has animated video previews

[20:04:16]

clever:

for some reason:P

[20:04:16]

TSCHAKWerk:

Dagmar: load average above 400? :-P

[20:04:33]

juski:

TSCHAKWerk: LCARS EPG

[20:04:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

clever: probably because it um.....plays the video stream? :-)

[20:04:40]

TSCHAKWerk:

juski: oo nice

[20:04:50]

clever:

i shut them off because my framegrabber sometimes crashes if theres too much cpu usage

[20:05:05]

clever:

mythweb can let you stream a video to your local pc

[20:05:11]

Dagmar:

It's because of a local kitten shortage

[20:05:17]

clever:

and having an animated preview instead of a single frame may help

[20:05:20]

TSCHAKWerk:

*meow*

[20:05:34]

clever:

TSCHAKWerk: ive had insane load avg's before

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clever:

over 100 sometimes

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clever:

on a 133mhz pc:P

[20:05:54]

TSCHAKWerk:

clever: check out the version of mythtv in svn.

[20:05:56]

Dagmar:

Ah so we can have a ton of useless animated gifs instead of a ton of useless thumbnail images

[20:06:03]

clever:

TSCHAKWerk: what part of it?

[20:06:13]

clever:

Dagmar: lol:P

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gbee:

TSCHAKWerk: actually no, well not really – it grabs a frame at a time and shows them in succession – which really isn't that different from what is done when playing the video, yet I felt the need to mention it anyway

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TSCHAKWerk:

clever: you'll suddenly find a video window when playing back recorded material.

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clever:

yeah i see a flash player in mythweb from svn

[20:07:25]

kormoc:

TSCHAKWerk, you know, I wasn't going to tell him bout that

[20:07:28]

clever:

and it doesnt work on any of my systems yet

[20:07:31]

gbee:

Dagmar: leave kittens out of it

[20:07:35]

TSCHAKWerk:

works just fine for me

[20:07:46]

clever:

firefox on my laptop has too old of a flash

[20:07:47]

Dagmar:

Hey I'm not the one using the framegrabber

[20:07:48]

kormoc:

TSCHAKWerk, that's cause your systems aren't hand me downs from the 90's

[20:07:51]

Dagmar:

;)

[20:07:59]

TSCHAKWerk:

I'm streaming to work.

[20:08:01]

clever:

and past attempts to upgrade its flash have failed

[20:08:22]

clever:

i can run mythfrontend from a hotel and it work fine

[20:08:26]

TSCHAKWerk:

kormoc: no excuse for older boxes much anymore.. the hardware just keeps getting cheaper

[20:08:33]

clever:

but the files are 300kb/sec and my house uploads at 50kb/sec.....

[20:08:55]

kormoc:

TSCHAKWerk, 19 year old without a job living in his parent's basement?

[20:08:57]

TSCHAKWerk:

clever: soooo wait a few seconds before hitting play again.

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TSCHAKWerk:

kormoc: you're 19 and you don't have a job?

[20:09:13]

TSCHAKWerk:

kormoc: and you're a geek?

[20:09:20]

** TSCHAKWerk scratches head. **

[20:09:23]

kormoc:

TSCHAKWerk, no, not me, the guy with the old hardware :P

[20:09:24]

clever:

TSCHAKWerk: mythfrontend doesnt buffer that much

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** kormoc points at clever **

[20:09:35]

clever:

and it needs 6 seconds for every 1 sec of playback

[20:09:48]

TSCHAKWerk:

sooo just wait a bit longer. *shrug*

[20:09:59]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm seriously considering upgrading and consolidating some equipment here, just based on the projected reduction of my power bill over the next 12 months

[20:10:15]

GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: I did that on the weekend because of my last power bill

[20:10:21]

GreyFoxx:

I merge 3 machines into 1

[20:10:22]

TSCHAKWerk:

Dagmar: yeah it does help when the meter doesn't glow. :-)

[20:10:27]

GreyFoxx:

and I'll be doing it again next week

[20:10:40]

Dagmar:

...or spins so rapidly it makes an audible whirring noise

[20:10:45]

GreyFoxx:

My frontends thankfully chew almost nothing

[20:10:47]

Dagmar:

I'm paying NES about $100 a month

[20:10:54]

clever:

i have 6 computers on right now

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Dagmar:

2/3 of that is computer

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TSCHAKWerk:

"Why are the dogs congregating around the meter box?"

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clever:

one can be shut off if i move the load to the other linux systems

[20:11:32]

TSCHAKWerk:

"bats are running into it, WTF?"

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clever:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7acf/

[20:13:08]

clever:

get atleast one of those

[20:13:14]

clever:

stick it on each system for a week

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clever:

find out what all the systems are drawing on avg

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kormoc:

clever, who are you talking to?

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clever:

any1 who has a large power bill they want to try reducingP

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juski:

bloody hell! the mythvideo section of mythweb is getting amazing too!

[20:14:14]

kormoc:

clever, everyone already knows how to do that, they were talking bout how they already reduced it..

[20:14:16]

kormoc:

juski, :)

[20:14:21]

clever:

lol

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juski:

gbee: totally seeing what you mean about 0.20 looking turd-like

[20:14:37]

Dagmar:

clever: I have a clamp-around ammeter

[20:14:43]

Dagmar:

..and you can buy PSUs with a meter built into them now

[20:14:44]

clever:

yeah i have one of those

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clever:

thats about 50 years old

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directhex:

those are so totally unreliable though

[20:15:00]

clever:

you need the lader thingy between the device and wall still

[20:15:12]

clever:

each point in the ladder has a diff number of turns

[20:15:13]

directhex:

my pc draws 1 amp,! (+- 1 amp)

[20:15:14]

TSCHAKWerk:

KillerWatt+++

[20:15:22]

directhex:

watts up is what i've used

[20:15:23]

clever:

so you can multiply/devide the level

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directhex:

gbee, so. SRT support is apparently lacking from ffmpeg. you said external files were supported in Internal though – what next?

[20:16:23]

gbee:

juski: I was being dramatic to be honest, I actually can't remember what 0.20 was like ;)

[20:17:44]

juski:

gbee: just from mythweb's PoV, it wees all over 0.20

[20:17:57]

gbee:

directhex: you'll need to speak to someone who knows the internals of the internal player better than me – say janneg

[20:18:17]

juski:

and why is channel 302 showing a loop of a Dr Who trailer?

[20:18:49]

gbee:

juski: heh, no idea but in the context of the MHEG it belongs to it probably makes more sense

[20:19:24]

directhex:

janneg, i choose you!

[20:19:55]

juski:

livetv looks vastly improved since 0.20-fixes

[20:20:03]

juski:

slightly speedier channel changes

[20:20:58]

gbee:

juski: I'd always suggest showing off the latest version, although I can really remember what has gone into 0.21 I can safely say that it's better than 0.20 :p

[20:21:22]

gbee:

and right now, there are no real stability issues

[20:21:46]

directhex:

it's even more stable at times! :o

[20:22:01]

directhex:

gbee, still want some stacktraces? need to work out how to get them from the frontend

[20:22:20]

gbee:

of course, by July things may be different, but I'll make some notes on revision numbers

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juski:

on my 800 mhz athlon, mythfrontend playing TV is using less CPU than my EPIA frontend does when it uses XvmC, and I ain't using xvmc

[20:22:49]

juski:

are epia CPUs really that lame?

[20:22:59]

directhex:

they're fairly lame

[20:23:01]

Dagmar:

Epia makes CPUs now?

[20:23:03]

Dagmar:

Dear god

[20:23:07]

juski:

Via

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Dagmar:

Oh, yes.

[20:23:14]

gbee:

directhex: yes please, proceedure is identical to mythbackend as explained in the documentation

[20:23:15]

Dagmar:

They're slow

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juski:

so 1 Ghz Via c3 is like er.. I dunno a 500Mhz _real_ cpu?

[20:23:45]

directhex:

gbee, i have trouble remembering what i had for lunch, let alone what i did weeks ago o/

[20:23:48]

Dagmar:

A bunch of the C3's are missing the cmov instruction, which, in addition to generally slowing things up, makes them unable to run i686 targeted binaries

[20:24:04]

directhex:

c3? yeah, pretty much

[20:24:08]

juski:

mine's a nehemia IIRC

[20:24:12]

Dagmar:

Their reasoning for leaving that out? because it's marked "optional" in the spec

[20:24:28]

gbee:

directhex: most days I forget to eat lunch – so your memory must be better than mine

[20:24:37]

Dagmar:

we had to put an explicit check in Dropline for Via C3 CPUs that are missing cmov

[20:27:23]

juski:

heh. 800mhz athlon with MHEG turned on, very reminiscent of an On-Digital STB

[20:27:30]

juski:

slow as fack

[20:27:52]

juski:

channel changes are faster than the ON digital STB though :)

[20:34:55]

kemik:

urgh.. whn i do startx it just goes 'white'

[20:35:07]

kemik:

i've setup the .xinit with some stuff :)

[20:35:19]

FunkyELF:

hey guys, my GeForce FX5200 just died on me. It was an eVGA brand. I need a new AGP card. I want to stick with nVidia. Has anyone heard of the brands XFX, or Jaton?

[20:35:41]

kemik:

nope.

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kemik:

FunkyELF: but there should be hardware reviews on the 'net in abundance

[20:37:13]

FunkyELF:

ok

[20:37:31]

FunkyELF:

would you go with a 125MB 6200 or a 512 5200 ?

[20:38:27]

Dagmar:

For MythTV, either would be plenty, so long as you don't get one that burgles system memory

[20:38:44]

Dagmar:

512Mb is just WAY more video RAM than mythtv can possibly make use of

[20:39:30]

Dagmar:

XFX and Jaton are both bargain brands

[20:39:43]

Dagmar:

Being that you're not playing an FPS shooter, either should be fine

[20:39:47]

FunkyELF:

so was eVGA I guess, and it crapped out on me.

[20:39:49]

Dagmar:

Just make sure they have the output you want on them

[20:39:58]

Dagmar:

Well, hardware dies from time to time

[20:40:06]

Dagmar:

eVGA is probably a tiny bit better than those

[20:40:09]

Dagmar:

Very tiny

[20:40:24]

FunkyELF:

well, I came back from a week long trip to find my mythbox dead and a hard drive on another machine gone bad

[20:40:32]

FunkyELF:

probably had a power glitch

[20:41:12]

FunkyELF:

I unplugged everything on the mythbox so it was just CPU, RAM, tuner card and graphics card and the screen would still just flash random stuff

[20:41:43]

FunkyELF:

then I took the graphics card from the computer that just got a bad hard drive and it posted

[20:42:05]

FunkyELF:

so hopefully it was only my graphics card, didn't try plugging in the hard drives to see if it would boot

[20:42:33]

Dagmar:

Heck you could probably get away with an MX 4000

[20:43:07]

Dagmar:

Actually, I'd suggest looking a the list of supported cards for the latest nVidia driver and then pick one of the cheaper ones

[20:44:54]

directhex:

FunkyELF, XFX are reasonable as a brand

[20:45:11]

directhex:

very budget, but a good range & well-regarded support

[20:45:21]

directhex:

my BE/FE might be an XFX. wouldn't surprise me

[20:45:30]

Dagmar:

The video card market is so hellishly competitive that basically the rule is that if they've been around longer than a year, they probably don't suck

[20:45:38]

directhex:

gbee, steaming hot backtrace for you guv'nor!

[20:51:31]

cal:

the mythweb pages look like they need some polishing up yet.

[20:54:00]

gbee:

directhex: open a ticket and attach the backtrace – svn.mythtv.org

[20:58:27]

directhex:

gbee, yeah, working on it

[20:58:44]

Dagmar:

Damn. I miscalculated somethign and now I have to move half the bloody display over by one pixel

[20:59:43]

directhex:

#3462

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directhex:

gah, it ate my line breaks :(

[21:02:52]

gbee:

directhex: ugh, an assert

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directhex:

gbee, i'm a c# coder. single syllables only please

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directhex:

line 1299 in my source tree would be " assert(enc->codec_id);"

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directhex:

it's probably worth noting that it seems ffmpeg misinterprets an SRT stream as a video stream

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gbee:

directhex: assert() is a nasty little function that deliberately crashes a program if the argument isn't true – it's use is discouraged in mythtv because errors, even terrible, irrecoverable ones should be handled more gracefully

[21:22:09]

kash:

root@mythtv:/home/kash# mount /dev/md0

[21:22:10]

kash:

mount: /dev/md0: can't read superblock

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kash:

wtfh

[21:22:36]

gbee:

so the assert is the cause of the crash, though not the underlying reason

[21:23:49]

gbee:

directhex: can you create a log with "-v playback" and attach it to the ticket, it will give a clearer picture of what is going wrong

[21:25:23]

Fnc:

does anyone know if there are settings that tell the hauppage cards to do pal or ntsc?

[21:25:42]

Fnc:

like in the OS side of things, and not myth?

[21:26:12]

hads:

Fnc: That's a hardware thing

[21:26:34]

directhex:

gbee, oops, sorry. guess scheduling & siparser verbosity isn't useful for the frontend

[21:26:54]

Fnc:

seems i remember though some time way back, that they was something to tell the card you are ntsc or you are pal?

[21:30:32]

Fnc:

nevermind looks like dmesg says its pal, must have been thinking about a nother card i was playing with some time ago...

[21:30:34]

GreyFoxx:

Fnc: myth tells it everytime it opens the card to read from

[21:30:46]

kash:

how much space do i loose on a 150GB RAID if i use RAID-5?

[21:30:48]

GreyFoxx:

but yes the ivtvctl (or whatever it's call now) command can be used from the commandline

[21:31:00]

kash:

lose*

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Fnc:

i was just wondering when i tcprobe a file, to see what it was recorded with.. it says the right thing, 720x480 but then in brackets it has pal stuff.. so i thought maybe somewhere it was thinking pal???

[21:32:10]

GreyFoxx:

umm it has pal "Stuff" ?

[21:33:11]

Fnc:

like this

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Fnc:

import frame size: -g 720x480 [720x576] (*)

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Fnc:

i was thinking that that second part was what it could record in, but the first is what it did record

[21:34:13]

GreyFoxx:

no, tcprobe has no way to know the recording size limits of your card

[21:34:36]

Fnc:

ok

[21:34:46]

Fnc:

i was just currious about the 720x576 part

[21:35:03]

GreyFoxx:

I'm not sure what it's referring to there

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juski:

heheh that Derren Brown Trick or Treat show was ace. they had a guy go into a fake photo booth in london, hypnotised him & he woke up in the same booth in Morocco. what a head feck that'd be! :D

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GreyFoxx:

hahaha

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juski:

not just anywhere in morocco though – the main square in Marakech

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GreyFoxx:

That would be funny to see

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juski:

it was

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gbee:

kaffeine tends to do something similar, i.e. after telling me the video is 720x576 it then adds in brackets some seemingly unrelated dimensions – no idea what that's about

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juski:

why do players even bother to tell you what size the video is?

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juski:

if I wanna know I'll use ffmpeg -i thanks :)

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jduggan_:

juski: because you are n00b that doesnt know the difference between ffmpeg and a mousemat

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jduggan_:

or something.. :)

[21:42:42]

juski:

mousemats? they're for putting in mouse houses

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juski:

by the mouse front doorses

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Fnc:

so they can wipe their feets and hands

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jduggan_:

true that

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jduggan_:

i think it's cuppa tea time

[21:43:46]

jduggan_:

nobody said the chatsworth estate was the garden of eden

[21:43:51]

jduggan_:

but it's been a good home to us

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jduggan_:

to me

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jduggan_:

frank, gallagher

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jduggan_:

afk, kettle :)

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juski:

amen

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juski:

time for bed, said trumpy gwat

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juski:

g'night

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directhex:

nighty night juski

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Fnc:

is there a way to look at a say HD stream, and see what format (720p etc )its being broadcast in?

[21:48:50]

kash:

yes by the resolution

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kash:

:p

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Fnc:

and den?

[21:49:15]

kash:

and then.. what

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directhex:

gbee, hot log lovin' headed in your direction

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kash:

you know it after you see the resolution.

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jduggan_:

juski: lol @ amen, not a shameless fan then? :P

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** gbee shifts uneasily in his seat **

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directhex:

gbee, attached to #3462. as i suspected, it's falling over on the SRT stream

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directhex:

i.e. stream id 3

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gbee:

directhex: ok, I'll take a look tomorrow but I'm not taking ownership of the ticket until I've debugged it – one of the other devs may have a better grip on it :)

[21:53:10]

gbee:

definately a problem with stream identification, I half wonder if this wouldn't be fixed by an ffmpeg resync, we're running a few months behind now

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directhex:

i suspect not – Stream #0.3: Video: 0x0000, 1000000.00 fps(r)

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gbee:

heh, guess not

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directhex:

they're understood fine by mplayer, totem, and vlc

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directhex:

so it's an ffmpeg deficiency

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gbee:

still, we should be able to safely handle such streams – the properties are clearly insane for a video stream

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gbee:

I'd just replace the assert as a fix for the segfault, then worry about getting the support for that stream type into ffmpeg upstream

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gbee:

anyway, I'm off to watch some recordings before I go to bed

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directhex:

whatever you think's best. i'm kinda bummed it's not already supported though, i was hoping not to have to mess with VLC

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gbee:

directhex: it's only a matter of time

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directhex:

gbee, i don't want to be an armchair coder. it's much easier not to be when it's already been done ;)

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Gomez:

Hi all

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Gomez:

EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 1793

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Gomez:

Segmentation fault

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Gomez:

i got this error

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Gomez:

and backend gets killed

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Gomez:

some1 a idee?

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directhex:

nova-t 500?

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Gomez:

no, it worked already

[22:22:00]

Gomez:

long time

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Gomez:

Technisat SkyStar2 DVB

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clever:

2007-05–14 17:25:39.661 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-(

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clever:

how would i increase the size of those buffers or the number of them?

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Anduin:

clever: why is the encoder not keeping up?

[22:45:42]

clever:

framegrabber

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clever:

and on ocasion theres too much cpu usage

[22:46:03]

clever:

mostly when using mythfrontend to watch something

[22:46:14]

clever:

but sometimes when mythfilldb or mysql is eating too much

[22:46:48]

clever:

or sometimes the video encoding itself is taking too much of the backends cpu power and the backend itself is at 100% and still cant handle it all

[22:47:16]

clever:

i beleive the cpu usage of real time encoding depends on the complexity of the video itself

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clever:

a single solid frame would use alot less cpu power to encode in theory

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clever:

could test that by opening the digital tuners menu and that woould stop all changes of the video im encoding

[22:50:27]

clever:

happens about once every 2–3 days if im carefull to not play files while it records

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clever:

but doing that totaly kills the livetv pausing ability since i need to let the whole thing record before i watch any

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Anduin:

Yes, I'm aware of the causes, it doesn't look adjustable (without code changes)

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clever:

im on the svn

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clever:

i can change the code without trouble

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clever:

aslong as svn doesnt reverse them on me:P

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clever:

or is it cvs for mythtv:P

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Anduin:

clever: NuppelVideoRecorder.cpp around line 817, you should be able to increase audiomegs, note, I'm not familiar with this code.

[22:55:25]

clever:

i can try increasing it but i have no way of seeing if its effective

[22:55:31]

clever:

because its a random event

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clever:

hard to trigger

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Anduin:

you could decrease it and see if it breaks faster

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clever:

lol:P

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clever:

yeah that may work

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clever:

817 int audiomegs = 2;

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clever:

changing to 1 will probly make it crash more

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clever:

0 may totaly kill it

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clever:

int means i cant 0.5 it

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[R]:

no matter what I've tried in the past... I simply cannot get 1366x768 to work on my tv hooked up to an nvidia... anyone have any suggestions?

[22:58:35]

clever:

my nvidia tvout worked instantly

[22:58:49]

clever:

i copyed the device/display/monitor sections

[22:59:01]

clever:

and added a 'screen 0' and 'screen 1' to the device pairs

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clever:

and tweaked the names of the copy properly so they wont conflict and so they reference eachother

[23:00:03]

clever:

and then tweaked the ServerLayout section to use both outputs like this

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clever:

screen 0 "Default Screen" 0 0

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clever:

screen 1 "2nd Screen" rightof "Default Screen"

[23:00:27]

clever:

a server restart later and :0.0 was the crt and :0.1 was the tv

[23:01:05]

clever:

worked at the default res so i didnt mess with it anymore

[23:01:30]

clever:

laptops ati card took months to get it to even switch and it still doesnt work right outside of text mode

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Anduin:

clever: The real thing is audio_buffer_count, the initial one was just a fast way.

[23:02:55]

clever:

ahhh:)

[23:03:08]

clever:

i'll have a look at that after the rebuild finishes

[23:03:21]

clever:

also ive found a bug awhile ago in 'make install'

[23:03:35]

clever:

the way it replaces the existing files it truncates and refills them

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Anduin:

clever: Yeah, audiomegs is just used to count audio_buffer_sizes

[23:03:42]

clever:

ahh:)

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fysa:

clever: are you using DVI?

[23:04:00]

clever:

when you truncate and refill the file to replace

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fysa:

component?

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fysa:

If you're not using DVI or VGA, your modeline will probably be ignored.

[23:04:14]

clever:

any active maps to the file will cause sigbus

[23:04:18]

clever:

composite framegrabber

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clever:

for input

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clever:

composite out also

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fysa:

Composite can't do 1366x768.

[23:04:44]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

my tvout on nvidia is 1024x768

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fysa:

oh, sorry.

[23:05:09]

clever:

it might be scaling

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clever:

and its probly interlacing the stuff also

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fysa:

I misread above — that was for [R].

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clever:

and it isnt overscaning as much as other stuff

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fysa:

Yeah, composite out will definitely interlace before sending.

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clever:

so when i play a recording back in mythfrontend i can see alot more of the image

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fysa:

You can adjust that in your xorg.conf

[23:06:17]

clever:

yeah but the default lets me see more image

[23:06:31]

clever:

and it doesnt cut the edge of a xterm off when i alt+tab out

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fysa:

cool

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clever:

my laptop is half broken and im sometimes too lazy to get off the couch and walk 2 feet to a pc:P

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[R]:

fysa: i'm on dvi

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clever:

my mythtv 'remote' is a laptop sized keyboard on a couple extensions

[23:07:38]

clever:

so i can easily alt+tab to an xterm and ssh away to any pc

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fysa:

[R]: Did you force NoEdid?

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clever:

and with this line i can read it from a distance 'xterm -fg white -bg black -e screen -xRR'

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[R]:

fysa: i've tried every single option known to man

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[R]:

fysa: i just set a blank screen

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clever:

wait wrong xterm:P

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clever:

xterm -fa Courier -fs 20

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clever:

that one gives a larger font

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clever:

so i can read it on the tv from a distance

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[R]:

fysa: w/o a modeline the card won't output 1366 and with a modeline i get nothing... i've tried every modeline generator i can find

[23:09:08]

clever:

fysa: what modeline would i use to get a similar resolution to plain text out?

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fysa:

You get a picture without a modeline?

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[R]:

yes, but not the resolution i want

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[R]:

i get 1280x720

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clever:

tvout of my laptop works in text only but is scrambled upon starting X

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** clever goes to grab half the laptop while i wait **

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fysa:

clever: I get that problem when using two outputs simultaneously (:0.1, :0.0) — so I ended up making two versions of a bunch of files (.xinitrc.projector and .xinitrc.tv, xorg.conf.projector, xorg.conf.tv) and a script that copies the proper file over the real and kills X, causing everything to come back up on the other display.

[23:11:14]

fysa:

With nvidia, anyway..

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clever:

i have no idea how to dual head ati

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clever:

but the atitvout lets me mirror between heads or select a single head to use

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clever:

so i can make it only crt

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clever:

or only lcd

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clever:

or only tv

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clever:

or any pair in mirror mode

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clever:

might be able to get 3 at once in mirror

[23:12:52]

clever:

atitvout -f detect

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clever:

Forcing Rage Mobility/Rage 3D Pro LT mode

[23:12:52]

clever:

CRT is attached.

[23:12:52]

clever:

LCD is attached.

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clever:

its half wrong

[23:13:14]

clever:

lcd panel is cracked and laying on the stairs

[23:13:23]

clever:

but its a laptop and the panel isnt meant to be detached

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fysa:

[R]: Did you set your HorizSync/VertRefresh? Option ConnectedMonitor DFP? UseEdidfreqs "false"? IgnoreEDID "true"? Give your modeline a non-standard name and use that in your Screen section? (standard names may be mapped internally by nvidia driver)

[23:13:59]

clever:

i have 2 dell laptops

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clever:

the tvout on both matches

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fysa:

closest I've seen..

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clever:

it has 7 pins in it

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clever:

looks something like svideo but that cable doesnt fit

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fysa:

haven't messed with non-standard pixel displays though

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fysa:

that's proprietary, yeah.

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clever:

theres an adapter which comes with the laptop which converts it to composite

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fysa:

so what are you trying to do?

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clever:

get a image on my tv with the laptop

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clever:

closing the X server to do some testing

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clever:

so far it only works when its in text mode

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fysa:

ah

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fysa:

yeah

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fysa:

make sure it's connected and the TV is on at boot

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fysa:

power it off/on

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clever:

did another atitvout -f detect

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[R]:

fysa: ypu, tried every option... i think i just found some stuff on the wiki i might try

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clever:

and now it shows TV is attached via Composite.

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clever:

along with crt and lcd that i pasted a min ago

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clever:

and with the proper command

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fysa:

you're trying dual-head?

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fysa:

or single but on the TV?

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clever:

atitvout -f t

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clever:

Forcing Rage Mobility/Rage 3D Pro LT mode

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clever:

now i see plain dosish text on my tv ONLY

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fysa:

I really don't know, I've only used nvidia..

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[R]:

fysa: thanks, i gotta go

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clever:

its working fine with tv only in pure text mode

[23:17:56]

clever:

enless ubuntu is using fb text without me knowing

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clever:

now loading X

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clever:

looks like a moniter when i got the res turned too high

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clever:

3 black bars and tons of scrambled lines

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clever:

its at 1400 x 1050

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clever:

i can change the res using xrandr and it does affect the tv

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clever:

but all it does is cause diff paterns of scrambled

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clever:

none of them work right

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fysa:

try 800x600 or 640x480 first

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fysa:

gotta run

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clever:

went thru all of the avail res's including those 2

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clever:

800x600 i the only one with an effect and thats just moving scrambled image

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clever:

all others are a non moving scrambled

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clever:

tv has a lock on some part and the image is still

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