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Friday, May 11th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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cal_:

xris: the cat /dev/video > test.mpg works before i run myth... but after i try to watch livetv.. then kill mythbackend.. the cat /dev/video doesnt work.. any idea on that?

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xris:

cal_: weird

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xris:

ivtvctl, I think

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xris:

it's been a long time since I messed with that stuff

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cal_:

there is now v4l2-ctl and ivtvctl

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xris:

depends on which driver you're using, I guess..

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cal_:

do i need the right resolution in recording profiles to get livetv running? its just at 480 x 480 now

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tank-man:

what is wrong with 480x480?

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cal_:

i dunno but i changed it to 720x480 and it works!

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cal_:

watching tv for the first time, WOO HOO

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Tanthrix:

Hrm. All of a sudden sound isn't working when mythfrontend is running

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Tanthrix:

But if I start mplayer from a terminal window it works just fine

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EnderTheThird:

anyone able to help me out with some wired LAN issues?

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a5benwillis:

what command do I use to 'tail' a log file in real time?

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Tanthrix:

Uh, isn't it tail?

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a5benwillis:

yeah lol

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Anduin:

-f

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a5benwillis:

but tail by itself just reads the file

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a5benwillis:

thats it!! thx

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Tanthrix:

It seems like alsa is working, but OSS isn't

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a5benwillis:

Anduin: Thanks, I just couldnt remember.

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: You are loading the oss emulation?

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Tanthrix:

Apparently – but I have no reason to

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: not that simple, /dev/snd is a place to start

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philyboy:

hello all

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cal_:

hmm this is taking awhile.. what actually does mythfilldatabase do?

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Anduin:

cal_: downloads schedule information

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cal_:

ahh

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cal_:

so i have to drop to a shell and run that every week? lol

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philyboy:

mythfilladatabase fills EPG database

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Anduin:

(so yeah, rather long the first run)

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Tanthrix:

Anduin: What should I specify for my "audio output device" in the myth settings?

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Tanthrix:

(To use alsa instead of OSS)

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Anduin:

cal_: or configure the frontend to run it daily (at the right time if you are using dd)

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cal_:

and: i hope it runs automaticly

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cal_:

ahh

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philyboy:

Tanthrix: ALSA:default

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: ALSA:default ususally works

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cal_:

and: hopefully knoppmyth has that set up already

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Tanthrix:

And for my mixer settings?

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philyboy:

Tanthrix: or ALSA:surround51 (but it doesnot work for me)

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cal_:

and: where do i check that setting?

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Anduin:

Tanthrix: default

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philyboy:

anybody got surround to work

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Tanthrix:

That did the trick, thanks.

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Tanthrix:

I guess I've been using OSS emulation all this time then, for no reason whatsoever

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Tanthrix:

Getting an error about the mixer though, doesn't like "Default"

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philyboy:

Tanthrix: DO YOU HAVE SURROUND

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Tanthrix:

philyboy: NO I DO NOT.

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a5benwillis:

I guess I'll be working on getting lirc working again tomorrow. Only the second day so I guess I havent paid my dues yet :-D

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philyboy:

Tanthrix: use "default" not "Default" sorry for the caps

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philyboy:

a5benwillis: whats your problem with lirc

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Tanthrix:

philyboy: That did the trick as well

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Tanthrix:

Thank you both – everything is working well now.

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a5benwillis:

philyboy: Nothing specific at the moment other than I can't test the serial receiver that I made using the plans on lirc.org.

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a5benwillis:

philyboy: I follwed a guide on ubuntuforums.

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philyboy:

anbody got surround to work in mythtv tv mine works in mplayer and xine but fails under myth

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Tanthrix:

Now, to figure out why mplayer is defaulting to OSS

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a5benwillis:

philyboy: I cant imagine that I made the rx wrong, its the most simple circuit I've ever seen LOL

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philyboy:

Tanthrix: put in mplayer option -ao alsa

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philyboy:

Tanthrix: look into .mplayer/config what the default option is

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philyboy:

a5benwillis: youmade your own receiver

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Tanthrix:

philyboy: Just finished doing that ;)

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philyboy:

a5benwillis: using serial

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philyboy:

a5benwillis: did you config/etc/lircd

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philyboy:

a5benwillis: to put in your remote codes

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a5benwillis:

philyboy: Yes, made the receiver

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redcard:

Hey all. Got a quick question. I'm looking for a cheapo media PC case+mb+processor+memory. Anyone know of a good place to find those things?

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a5benwillis:

philyboy: I compiled lirc from source in Ubuntu and loaded the lirc_serial module

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philyboy:

redcard: For a front end

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a5benwillis:

philyboy: loaded mode2 but I dont get anything on the screen. Do I need to conigure the lirc.conf first?

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redcard:

philyboy: For both, actually.

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philyboy:

a5benwillis: nope weird

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philyboy:

redcard: I just bought two dell GX260 they are dirt chea^(used) and arevery quiet a feature I needed

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a5benwillis:

philyboy: Guess I'll use a logic probe tomorrow to test the receiver... oh well. Ive heard lirc is a bitch

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redcard:

philyboy: Hmm

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a5benwillis:

redcard: How cheap do you want?

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a5benwillis:

I spent 700 on my hardware...

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redcard:

a5benwillis: Right now, just browsing things.

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redcard:

I have a WinTV PVR-350

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redcard:

And a few 100G HDDs

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a5benwillis:

the 700 didnt include my tuners..

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redcard:

The thing I don't have right now is case+mb+cpu+memory+permission from spouse

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a5benwillis:

but I did get one 500gb sata hd

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Zider:

I think I'll get one of them after the summer

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a5benwillis:

redcard: I got all of my stuff from newegg.com

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philyboy:

redcard: I paid 100 US dollars icluding shipping for each they are PIV 2,4 GHZ

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redcard:

philyboy: Hmm..

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redcard:

philyboy: I won't need two.. just one

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philyboy:

redcard: they are micro ATX board so you can fit them in a nice htpc case

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redcard:

The card is the workhorse here :)

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a5benwillis:

philyboy: Nice.. I have some 260 around at work ;)

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Tanthrix:

Would I be better off with a Core 2 Duo E6300 at 1.8GHz, or a Pentiun D 3GHz for instance?

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a5benwillis:

I use the core 2 duo 1.8

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philyboy:

a5benwillis: Corporates dump shitloadon the market and they are the quitest of the shelf pc avaialble

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: What kind of performance do you get with HD stuff?

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redcard:

philyboy: Thanks :) I'll be lookin around.

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a5benwillis:

havent done hd yet. I just do sat

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a5benwillis:

gotta put up another dish this weekend

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philyboy:

For HD if you get nvidia fx series 5 (approx 40) a pentium celery will do the trick for HD

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Tanthrix:

Not for x264 stuff

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a5benwillis:

I use the nvidia 7600GS

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Tanthrix:

No GPU acceleration for anything but MPEG2 under linux at the moment, and probably for a very long time

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a5benwillis:

fanless

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philyboy:

Tanthrix: agreed for x264 but from live signal what is available in h264

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: If you're feeling cruious, try a clip or two: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/

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a5benwillis:

Tanthrix: Just download a vid and play it?

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: Yah, if you want to give it a try. And if you do, I'd be interested in knowing your CPU usage for one of the 1080P clips

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philyboy:

a5benwillis: my athlan 2500xp handles 720p without problem

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a5benwillis:

Ok, I have to ask. What part of the world are you guys from? This is the most freindly I've ever seen this channel.

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philyboy:

1080p the machine does hickup

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Zider:

sweden here

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philyboy:

a5benwillis: canada

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Tanthrix:

West coast US here

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hadees:

a5benwillis, couldn't it be the people rather then the place they come from?

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a5benwillis:

well, possibly.

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a5benwillis:

US here

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hadees:

US of A

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Zider:

typical Apple to have shit in the web page so you can't download the clips..

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philyboy:

US of A very nicccccccce!

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Tanthrix:

I know that the Core 2 Duo CPUs pretty much kick the ass of everything else, but I don't know if that holds true for single threaded stuff necessarely

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philyboy:

Zider: Theiors a trick to download the files from apples

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hadees:

anyone here ever try to setup slingplayer with wine?

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Tanthrix:

(IE, if a 1.8 GHz core 2 duo might perform slower than a Pentium D at 3.2 GHz)

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Zider:

philyboy: which is?

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Tanthrix:

Zider: Firefox extension, video downloader or something

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philyboy:

Zider: have a look at http://www.krunk4ever.com/blog/?p=926

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Zider:

Tanthrix: that only helps once I have the video page up, but I can't click the link where I select the resolution

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a5benwillis:

You can get it with firefox

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a5benwillis:

Im downloading one now

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a5benwillis:

sry, already mentioned...

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: Just play it with mplayer then use top to see what your CPU usage is

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a5benwillis:

k

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: I'd be very appreciatve

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philyboy:

[#mythtv-users]

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philyboy:

[#mythtv-users]

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stahnma:

when I record my audio is too-high pictched and fast, any ideas?

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Zider:

I have the videodownloader alreaduy, but it can only download the button that leads to the clip. :P

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a5benwillis:

Tanthrix: Well, I need a few codecs...

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philyboy:

stahnma: what capture card r u using

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stahnma:

pvr 250 and 350

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philyboy:

Zider: look at the instructions in the link

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: Any reasonbly new-ish compile or package of mplayer should do it by default – it's not quicktime or anything, just h264

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Zider:

philyboy: what link?

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Zider:

philyboy: all I get is a btn_1080p.mov

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philyboy:

Zider: [#mythtv-users]

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philyboy:

Zider:http://www.krunk4ever.com/blog/?p=926

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Zider:

philyboy: oh that link

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philyboy:

Zider: nice instructio on how to download any trailer using wget

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cal_:

how do i get back into setup for my remote control?

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a5benwillis:

well, I thought I downloaded the movie but its just a link...

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Zider:

apple should get a kick in the face :P

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philyboy:

Zider: agreed

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Zider:

I go into the ds-store or whatever they call it every now and then and taunt them

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stahnma:

philyboy: any ideas?

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squish102:

can any1 give me a hint. i installed mythdora and going into X seems to hang after a number of keystrokes or changes in the screen.

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squish102:

vncserver works fine

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philyboy:

stahnma: question regarding pvr cards, what version of ivtv are you using

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squish102:

starting the GUI and not touching anything for hours is fine, as soon as i start working on it, it hangs :(

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stahnma:

ivtv-0.10.1–126.fc6.at philyboy

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philyboy:

stahnma: your using mythdora

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stahnma:

no

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stahnma:

just fc6

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philyboy:

stahnma: do you have onboard audio

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stahnma:

yeah

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philyboy:

what chipset

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stahnma:

it actually seems like the recordings are wrong

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stahnma:

cause an older recording is fine

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stahnma:

but the recent ones are choppy

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stahnma:

and have audio messed up

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stahnma:

nForce AC97

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philyboy:

did the sound change after adding a second tuner

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stahnma:

I've had both tuners in since hte beginning

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stahnma:

I have rebooted since the sound changed, but that's all I can think of

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philyboy:

stahnma: does audio work fine outside mythtfrontend

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stahnma:

works fine for playback of other media

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stahnma:

just not recordings

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philyboy:

did you try to play the recordings on mplayer or xine

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philyboy:

playback is fine in "LIVETV"

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stahnma:

no haven't tried that yet

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stahnma:

LIveTV isn't working right now, cause it's trying nto record

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stahnma:

I might just rebuild with mythdora

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stahnma:

I just did this setup and have had a couple issues

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philyboy:

stahnma: caan you stop the recording and

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philyboy:

stahnma: and try live tv

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stahnma:

how do you stop recording?

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philyboy:

stahnma:go in manage recording menu

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stahnma:

ok

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stahnma:

found it

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stahnma:

livetv is not working so well

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stahnma:

I would say that is the issue

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philyboy:

stahnma: same issue

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stahnma:

yeah

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philyboy:

philyboy: does the sound "crakcle" with breaks o

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stahnma:

same issue philyboy

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stahnma:

maybe a little

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stahnma:

it's higher pitched

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stahnma:

and the screen is jumpy

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philyboy:

stahnma: i are using oal or ntsc

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philyboy:

stahnma: europe or usa

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stahnma:

usa

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philyboy:

stahnma: did you setup your card to use ntsc

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stahnma:

I think so

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philyboy:

stahnma: can you verify in the card setup

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philyboy:

stahnma: use mythtv-setup

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stahnma:

philyboy: thanks, I think I am going to call it a night. I will check that tomorrow

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** stahnma is tired **

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philyboy:

stahnma: ok good lyck

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hendrixski:

hey, when I'm looking under tickets on svn.mythtv.org .... what is "head" supposed to mean under version?

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hound:

Is there a way to forget all previously recorded shows, or do I need to manually edit the SQL tables?

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a5benwillis:

Tanthrix: Do you have any links to other hd content that I can test with?

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: Hrm, one sec.

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a5benwillis:

no

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a5benwillis:

not sure if I can play the windows file. let me check

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Tanthrix:

Hrm. Let me see if I can find you a direct link for some apple stuff

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kash:

hendrixski: the most current version

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kash:

i.e. svn

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: wget http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/ . . . pan_720p.mov

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hendrixski:

kash, so how does that differ from those that have .21 as their version?

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: wget http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/ . . . an_1080p.mov for the 1080P version

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kash:

hendrixski: it has the latest source commits..

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kash:

.21 is a release

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kash:

head is bleeding-edge

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kash:

Tanthrix: haha, my frontend skipps like hell

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kash:

skips*

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hendrixski:

kash, oh, ok. so it's not anything that's planned in the release, it's just commits that are new and exciting?

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a5benwillis:

Tanthrix: Downloading now

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kash:

hendrixski: commits means a change to the programme

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kash:

so any commit is a change, new and exciting or not

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hendrixski:

kash, Ok, thanks I think I understand

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Tanthrix:

For the 1080P clip my XP 2600+ shows 70–95 percent usage (using top -d .3) and it's jumpy – mplayer complains as well about my CPU being too slow

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a5benwillis:

about to play

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Tanthrix:

And for the 720P clip, I see 40–95 percent but more around 60–70, though mplayer also complains

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Tanthrix:

Make sure you run top -d .3 so it updates quickly enough to see spikes

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kash:

i don't like mplayer

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a5benwillis:

what nuber are you looking at?

[02:36:08]

Tanthrix:

Total CPU usage

[02:36:32]

Tanthrix:

Top right where it says Cpu(s): XXX percent

[02:36:42]

Tanthrix:

It might show you two for a dual core system, not sure

[02:37:43]

a5benwillis:

around 40% for 720

[02:38:10]

a5benwillis:

junps to 50 some

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kash:

wow, 87%

[02:38:12]

kash:

all the time

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Tanthrix:

Hrm. Now is that 40 percent of one core, or 40 percent of both cores combined?

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Tanthrix:

Probably the latter, which is bad, since for a single threaded app you can't go over 50, which means you might be spiking

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a5benwillis:

I dont know but would like to

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: Do you see two separte CPU(s) lines, or just one?

[02:40:19]

a5benwillis:

just one

[02:41:00]

a5benwillis:

30 mins to download the 1080i

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Tanthrix:

Anything that makes you think you might be seeing two separate core's performance?

[02:41:08]

a5benwillis:

net is slow tonight at my house

[02:41:57]

Tanthrix:

By any chance do you have mpstat installed?

[02:42:24]

a5benwillis:

nope

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a5benwillis:

got to head to bed, I'll test the 1080 tomorrow. Im usually here all day so msg me if you want to know the results

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Tanthrix:

Will do.

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Tanthrix:

I'll figure out how to measure both core's for you as well

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a5benwillis:

tx

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Tanthrix:

No, thank you ;)

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kash:

Tanthrix: both

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Tanthrix:

kash: So top reports the total. So when it says 40 percent, it means nearly one full core is used up?

[02:47:11]

kash:

it means 20% of both

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kash:

linux doesn't just use threads to distribute over cores

[02:47:28]

kash:

it does it evenly

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Tanthrix:

kash: Uh, you sure about that? So it can magically make a single threaded program use both core's simultaneously?

[02:48:34]

kash:

yes

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jhulst_:

I'm working to setup mythtv with a pvr150, I've gone through the setup, but when I scan for channels, nothing comes up

[02:49:15]

kash:

make sure it's plugged in

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jhulst_:

kash: Thanks, any other thoughts?

[02:49:39]

Tanthrix:

kash: I just asked in #linux if what you said was true, and I got three people telling me you're full of it

[02:49:45]

kash:

and then, change the frequency table from 'default' to your countries'

[02:49:51]

kash:

Tanthrix: #linux is full of retards

[02:49:58]

kash:

AMD CPUs do it.

[02:49:59]

kash:

ask AMD

[02:50:29]

Tanthrix:

Possibly. But I'm inclined to believe that it is not possible, since I've never heard of it before, ever. Any information you can point me to that backs up your statement?

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kash:

yes, look up the core architecture for amd dual core processors

[02:50:54]

Tanthrix:

(Especially since you hear all the time about apps having to be rewritten to use multiple threads to really take advangate of new CPUs)

[02:51:09]

kash:

there's a sharing technique that puts the load on both cores

[02:51:14]

kash:

i don't remember what it is called

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Tanthrix:

Nothing in the wiki page either. So, until further notice, I don't believe you. :P

[02:52:59]

kash:

http://www.short-media.com/articles/dual_core

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kash:

it's called load balancing

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kash:

they do it for single threaded applications that weren't written for SMP

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Sid`:

you can load-balance per process

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jasta:

kash: the generic algorithms for splitting load in a program are not effective at improving actual performance. the reason is atomicity. only so much of the program can be paralleled without thorough investigation into the running nature of the program.

[02:56:29]

jasta:

and only a programmer can currently do that well.

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Sid`:

but an inidividual non-threaded process will only run on one core at once

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Tanthrix:

And that article you linked to barely mentions load balancing at all.

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overpointe:

Hello gang!!! What does it mean when you get "Could not connect to the master backend server"?

[02:57:38]

kash:

jasta: right, but it does work :)

[02:57:49]

overpointe:

I had everything working earlier today.

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jasta:

kash: No, it does not work to improve actual performance of a single process.

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Sid`:

overpointe: make sure mythbackend hasn't crashed

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Tanthrix:

overpointe: Basically it means that the backend is not running, or the frontend can't see it

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Tanthrix:

overpointe: Run "ps aux | grep mythbackend" at a terminal and paste the output

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jhulst_:

kash: I've tried all the settings for US, none pick anything up

[02:58:29]

kash:

jhulst_: i don't have a 150 (yet) so i can't help you

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overpointe:

What would make it crash, Sid`?

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kash:

sorry

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kash:

:(

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kash:

overpointe: enable backend loggin

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Sid`:

overpointe: in my experience, its usually caused by a poor dvb signal

[02:59:04]

Sid`:

at least, thats the only time i've seen it crash

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jhulst_:

One thing that I noticed that seems a little odd is that the default input only allows Camera

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kash:

well, my frontend plays 720p just fine apparently..

[03:00:12]

jasta:

kash: Are you a programmer yourself? It is easier to reason this point with someone who understands what atomic code is.

[03:00:23]

kash:

wait, no, there's actually stuff on the screen now

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kash:

jasta: no, i don't know what atomic code is

[03:00:38]

jasta:

And I want to dissuade you from spreading your lies to anyone else :)

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overpointe:

Tanhrix, I got this: mythtv 3057 0.0 0.2 3880 660 pts/0 R+ 22:00 0:00 grep mythbackend

[03:00:50]

kash:

but i know a lot about code

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Tanthrix:

overpointe: Yes, that means the backend is not running, hence your problem.

[03:01:17]

overpointe:

Hmmmmm, how do I start it back up?

[03:01:33]

Tanthrix:

And kash, to quote you, "Quit while you're....behind"

[03:01:48]

kash:

:(

[03:02:13]

Tanthrix:

overpointe: What distro are you running?

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** kash afk, sleep **

[03:03:05]

jasta:

kash: Well, in that case, why don't you explain what you believe this algorithm to be.

[03:03:23]

overpointe:

I'm running MythDora 4.0, Tanthrix.

[03:03:57]

jasta:

One that can take code specifically crafted in a single thread of execution and automatically parallel it to multiple processors while achieving a real performance gain (something outside the area of a percentage or so by just splitting up simple instructions like add, mul, etc)

[03:04:14]

Tanthrix:

overpointe: Often it's /etc/init.d/mythbackend start

[03:04:37]

jasta:

Remember that none of the code assists you with resource locking of any kind so you would only be capable of examining one logical instruction at a time.

[03:04:48]

jasta:

Or, to within reason of the normal optimizer.

[03:05:07]

Tanthrix:

jasta: Thanks for saving the day. I was sure he was full of it, but didn't quite know why. ;)

[03:05:46]

Tanthrix:

overpointe: Assuming mythbackend usually starts up normally at boot, you could alternatively just reboot your system. Or open up a terminal and run mythbackend, either work.

[03:06:14]

jasta:

Tanthrix: The reason is because the real part of the code that needs to be paralled to get a "real" performance gain is all the resource management junk. The kernel could only schedule single atomic instruction chains across multiple CPUs, and those instruction chains tend to be small, and so fast that spreading them might even take longer to process than not.

[03:06:48]

overpointe:

It was working earlier today, then it stopped... for what reason I don't know, Tanthrix.

[03:07:27]

overpointe:

I rebooted it once, while it was still working, and it came back up... everthing was fine.

[03:07:27]

Tanthrix:

overpointe: About a billion things can cause the backend to crash, but the best thing to do would be to check your logs and see what it was doing right before it segfaulted.

[03:08:16]

Tanthrix:

jasta: Yah, it just didn't quite make sense to me that something could magically split up a single threaded app

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jasta:

Tanthrix: I mean, it can "split" the most atomic sets of instructions, but like I said, that does little to achieve measurable performance gains.

[03:09:41]

jasta:

A programmer, conversely, is capable of splitting very large parts of the program into smaller atomic pieces. That's what a threaded app is.

[03:10:09]

overpointe:

Grrrrrrr, I just got this:

[03:10:15]

overpointe:

Starting mythbackend: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[03:10:31]

jasta:

Tanthrix: Anyway, I need to go back to programming myself :)

[03:11:03]

Tanthrix:

Hehe. Thanks for the explanation.

[03:11:41]

Tanthrix:

Gotta run, later.

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Aquahallic:

I setup mythweb and when I browse to the box I can see the root folder with the .php file in it... when I click on it I get an error that the db_* are not configured correctly

[03:19:25]

Aquahallic:

if I take the credentials that are set in the .htaccess file I can login to the database with command line....:/

[03:21:06]

TSCHAK2:

say I have Stargate SG-1 on DVD

[03:21:24]

TSCHAK2:

how could i get covers/etc for each season for mythvideo ?

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LennonNZ:

do we talk about softcams here with Myth?

[03:21:49]

TSCHAK2:

LennonNZ, NO.

[03:22:16]

LennonNZ:

do we talk about Cam Interfaces for Cards with CI on them?

[03:22:22]

LennonNZ:

using Legal Cards

[03:24:11]

Aquahallic:

so... is anyone using mythweb??

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Aquahallic:

:/

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Anduin:

Aquahallic: not using mythweb.conf?

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Aquahallic:

anyone running mythweb?

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** Aquahallic ping'd out...:/ **

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mikeones:

Aquahallic: I run it here

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kormoc:

Aquahallic, I help develop it

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Aquahallic:

kewl

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Aquahallic:

I can authenticate to the db with the credentials I have set in the .htaccess file

[03:54:02]

Aquahallic:

when I log on the db with commandline

[03:54:11]

Aquahallic:

something's not gettin' passed along correctly

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Aquahallic:

apache is running right with php cause I created that phpinfo file and browse to it and I get all my info correctly

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** Aquahallic is at a loss here...:( **

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kormoc:

say what?

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Aquahallic:

when I browse to my http://myhostname/mythweb

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Aquahallic:

I see the root folder

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Aquahallic:

I click on the .php file and I get a db error

[03:56:33]

Aquahallic:

says... edit the db_*

[03:57:00]

Aquahallic:

I did and there's credentials in there

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Aquahallic:

when I use those credentials and log on the mysql db commandline I authenticate fine

[03:57:42]

Aquahallic:

also the error says to check mod_env

[03:57:59]

Aquahallic:

and it's loaded according to the php info

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maek:

is it possible to add a show for recording from the command line?

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Aquahallic:

I'm thinking something's not getting passed correctly with the user and pass for the db within the .htaccess

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Anduin:

maek: no direct way

[04:02:13]

maek:

Anduin: thanks.

[04:02:53]

Anduin:

maek: It wouldn't be too difficult to create one.

[04:03:56]

maek:

im just in a pinch, I left for a weekend out and I forgot to record scrubs and the wife is bitching at me about it. wondering I can solve the problem with ssh access only.

[04:04:34]

kormoc:

maek, ssh + port forwarding + mythweb == happy

[04:04:57]

maek:

kormoc: yeah, im trying to get that done with w3m right now. thanks for the idea. ill give that a go if I cant get w3m to work.

[04:06:11]

maek:

w3m + mythweb saves the day. thanks.

[04:06:14]

maek:

gnight all

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Aquahallic:

kormoc you seen that db_* error before when trying to use mythweb?

[04:08:35]

kormoc:

sure, typically when something isn't setup right

[04:08:59]

Aquahallic:

any idea where I might look?

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Aquahallic:

or what I might investigate?

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meclizine:

I am finding links everywhere to TiVo's resolution for Basic, Medium, High and Best. But I cannot find the most important factor, he bitrate. Anyone know what bitrates TiVo uses or where I can find out?

[04:28:35]

kormoc:

Aquahallic, the readme has the main areas

[04:31:15]

meclizine:

I am finding links everywhere to TiVo's resolution for Basic, Medium, High and Best. But I cannot find the most important factor, he bitrate. Anyone know what bitrates TiVo uses or where I can find out?

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kormoc:

meclizine, spamming the channel won't get you any answers

[04:31:53]

meclizine:

wasnt sure if NickServ silenced my first question, so I registered the nick and re-asked

[04:32:01]

meclizine:

so relax kormoc

[04:32:20]

meclizine:

I'm actually antiPosix but I left my nick logged in at work

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meclizine:

found it, if anyone is curious ...

[04:36:12]

meclizine:

Best: 480x480, 5800 kbps

[04:36:12]

meclizine:

High: 480x480, 3500kbps

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meclizine:

Medium: 352x480, 2600 kbps

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meclizine:

Basic: 352x480, 1447 kbps

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meclizine:

kormoc: its late here, sorry about being crabby

[04:44:16]

meclizine:

I usually scream "ahhh my eyes!" after seeing a double-post

[04:44:33]

meclizine:

some prefer the typical "de javu"

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LennonNZ:

under mythtv how do I choose the composite input on the Card? set up it as another card? and v4l interface instead of DVB interface?

[04:49:39]

LennonNZ:

on the Nova-S PLus Card

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meclizine:

your card interperetes both inputs at the same time?

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Sid`:

it would have to be, almost by definition

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Sid`:

DVB tuners are a totally different beast to anything that can handle analogue

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Sid`:

unless the card does MPEG 2 encoding of the composite input and presents it as a separate DVB multiplex

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Sid`:

but that would be unusual and weird

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LennonNZ:

I'll give it sa try

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LennonNZ:

not many docs on linux and this Card (but it works fine)

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I have a Chaintech NVidia GeForce MX4000 TV-Out(S-Video) video adapter, do I have Xv picture controls? should I turn it on in the TV Settings->Playback ?

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Tanthrix:

Picking out a new case is tough business!

[06:12:56]

gardengnome:

yup.

[06:13:20]

gardengnome:

there's no good HTPC case that'll also give home to five hjard disks ;)

[06:14:50]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

[06:15:01]

Dagmar:

The absolute BEST I've seen would hold three 3.5 drives

[06:15:54]

Dagmar:

I'm definitely going to build a NAS box and up to a Tb before I move into an HTPC case

[06:16:29]

Dagmar:

I just kinda have my doubts about how well the backend will handle writing to a remote disk when it's so finicky about disk latency as it is

[06:18:17]

Bigcheese:

the point is to have a dedicaed server with TBs of storage :P

[06:18:19]

Tanthrix:

I'm looking to replace my homebuilt case for my main system (seen here http://stuff.novae-res.org/case/pvc-case-finished.jpg in all it's glory,) so I need something that can hold a lot of drives

[06:18:59]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: It won't be an HTPC case holding all those then

[06:19:19]

Dagmar:

I would aim for something made out of aluminum by Lian-Li

[06:19:31]

Dagmar:

Grommet it up and you might not have to yell over it

[06:19:57]

hads:

I use a Silverstone LC17, although I have a bigish rack to put it on.

[06:20:19]

Bigcheese:

I think i'm going to pick this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129131

[06:20:21]

Tanthrix:

Noise is not an issue. Though money is – I'd prefer to spend less than $60, which I know is on the cheap end for getting something that isn't a flimsy POS

[06:21:00]

Bigcheese:

I just started picking out parts today to replace my 5 year old dell thats acting as the dvd player :P

[06:21:15]

hads:

That holds 6 or 7 drives.

[06:21:47]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: You're in the US right? Head to www.directron.com

[06:22:15]

Tanthrix:

Aye. Cheaper than newegg?

[06:22:29]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: They seem to be trickling out their custom-painted case leftovers that are kinda ugly, but you're still getting a nice Chen Ming or Lian-Li for about half the usual price

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doc|home:

hello, anyone using zap2it.com? Is the server acting up?

[06:23:16]

Tanthrix:

Thanks, I'll take a look.

[06:23:19]

doc|home:

hmmm, actually, I'm getting HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

[06:23:28]

Tanthrix:

doc|home: Has your account expired?

[06:23:38]

doc|home:

Tanthrix: I didn't get any email about it

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** doc|home looks **

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gardengnome:

the antec nsk 2400 seems like a ncie case with two 120mm fans

[06:24:10]

Tanthrix:

I don't know if I could ever stand that...

[06:24:15]

hads:

gardengnome: I know two people with those who are happy with them.

[06:24:19]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: And beyond that directron has enough controls in their website to let you sort and view by various characteristics (like number of bays)

[06:24:31]

Dagmar:

Bassically, they're the only people other than Newegg I trust

[06:24:33]

hads:

Silverstone was cheaper for me.

[06:24:39]

Tanthrix:

Good to know.

[06:24:40]

doc|home:

damn it, it had expired.

[06:24:45]

doc|home:

stupid service

[06:24:47]

gardengnome:

i could get that for 85€ here.

[06:24:56]

Tanthrix:

doc|home: Yah, those bastards giving you free TV listings.

[06:25:06]

gardengnome:

yay, including a PSU.

[06:25:16]

doc|home:

Tanthrix: you don't think arbitrary expiration is stupid?

[06:25:19]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: I still think it would be cool if we could get some kind of XML from them for the surveys

[06:25:39]

Tanthrix:

doc|home: Well, it's not completely arbitrary as the first few times they use it to get you to do surveys and stuff.

[06:25:47]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: If I didn't suck so much at C++ I would definitely be hassling them about that and trying to work up a plugin to let MythTV users just do the surveys from within the frontned

[06:26:04]

Tanthrix:

Would be nice.

[06:26:10]

doc|home:

which is fine, but I hadn't been asked to do any surveys, it just expired, no email, no notification nothing. So nothing has been recorded for two days.

[06:26:25]

Dagmar:

doc|home: It does seem like after you've done the surveys a few times they just want you to come over and click them every few months. The last two times I re-uppped, no survey questions at all.

[06:26:46]

Tanthrix:

doc|home: I just make a practice of trying not to bite the hand that feeds me. And it's not like it's a real hassle to stay on top of it.

[06:26:59]

Tanthrix:

Indeed.

[06:27:09]

doc|home:

Dagmar: I don't tend to look at it. I just have it record what I want.

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hads:

Calendar...

[06:27:39]

gardengnome:

hads: it's a microatx case :'(

[06:27:44]

t0ny-p40:

Is it possible to setup a card for watching with livetv but not recording?

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar, any idea on whether a E6300 Core 2 Duo at 1.8GHz would be better or worse than a Pentium D at 3.2 GHz with regards to software video decoding (MPE2, x264, etc..) ?

[06:28:24]

hads:

gardengnome: Check out the Silverstone LC17 (I needed a full ATX too).

[06:28:31]

Dagmar:

I'd go for the faster single-core

[06:28:43]

Dagmar:

You know this ain't a multithreadable application you're talkin' about

[06:28:52]

Tanthrix:

I'm having trouble finding anyone that knows a damn thing about the subject

[06:29:12]

doc|home:

might it be a good idea for me to file a request for mythbackend to notify you if mythfilldatabase is returning 401?

[06:29:25]

Dagmar:

doc|home: How is it going to notify you

[06:29:33]

hads:

gardengnome: Yeah :)

[06:29:37]

doc|home:

Dagmar: email to root@ the machine

[06:29:51]

gardengnome:

hads: it's like 90€ here. it is good? and quiet?

[06:29:56]

hads:

gardengnome: Wouldn't be particually quiet then though.

[06:29:58]

Dagmar:

doc|home: Oh and you're reading those?

[06:30:13]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Yah, that's what I was thinking, but then again all the benchmarks I've looked at show even the slowest Core 2 Duos topping the Pentium Ds, even for things that I think to be single threaded

[06:30:13]

hads:

gardengnome: Damn, here that and a seperate PSU was cheaper than the 2400.

[06:30:15]

gardengnome:

it looks way better than my crappy self-modified case. ;)

[06:30:36]

doc|home:

Dagmar: I do, suppose some might not. Any better suggestions?

[06:30:36]

hads:

gardengnome: It's quiet enough for me, not silent, but I can hardly hear it.

[06:30:48]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: I've yet to see any that weren't clearly meant to just make the Core2Duos look good

[06:31:35]

Dagmar:

doc|home: I mean, basically, you could write a wrapper for mythfilldatabase that would do that, but basically the problem is still more simply solved by a calendaring app

[06:31:49]

hads:

gardengnome: I don't like noise either. It's a standard steel case with a think alloy front on it. It seems fairly solid so doesn't vibrate or anything.

[06:31:55]

doc|home:

Dagmar: I never use calendaring :/

[06:32:02]

Dagmar:

i.e., just marking yer calendar that you need to login to the zap2it site for a few minutes three months from now

[06:32:52]

gardengnome:

hads: nice. it'd be nice if it had more 5 174" drive bays. you could easily put the hdds in a frame in there. guess i'll have to read some reviews. thanks for the suggestion :)

[06:33:16]

hads:

gardengnome: No worries, good luck on the search.

[06:33:48]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: One of the drop-down options is a transcoder

[06:34:16]

Tanthrix:

Oh, I didn't see that.

[06:34:21]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Keep in mind also that many of those things are definitely Windows apps, with whatever CPU-based optimizations the manufacturers coded in

[06:34:28]

Dagmar:

...which might not be the same as what we have

[06:34:49]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: But across the board it looks like you might actually indeed be better off with the Core2 there

[06:35:06]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: If the overall cost (including RAM!) is the same, go for the Duo

[06:35:33]

Tanthrix:

It's about 80 more for the CPU.

[06:35:57]

Dagmar:

...which is how much % of the cost?

[06:36:22]

Dagmar:

With all the actual numbers there in that benchmark, you gotta be able to figure out which of those is at the peak of the price-point curve

[06:36:22]

Tanthrix:

Essentially I want a system that can do 720P x264 without blinking an eye, and hopefully 1080P x264 someday if some multi-threaded or GPU assisted decoders come out for linux

[06:37:24]

anykey_:

Tanthrix: you could also get an amd x2..

[06:37:45]

Dagmar:

Yep

[06:38:18]

anykey_:

cheaper, bit slower, but hey..

[06:38:28]

anykey_:

(than the c2d)

[06:38:29]

Dagmar:

More cost-effective.

[06:38:44]

anykey_:

yeah, uses less power when idle

[06:38:49]

Tanthrix:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=88091 & ndash; I posted that question a while back

[06:38:53]

Tanthrix:

Got an interesting response

[06:38:56]

Dagmar:

The intel fanboys are really irritating with their "OMG INtel is faster so it's teh bestest" nonsense

[06:39:31]

hads:

Any fanboys are annoying

[06:40:10]

Tanthrix:

I'm somewhat inclined to go with intel, even though I was strictly AMD for years

[06:40:29]

Tanthrix:

Especially since they make their own motherboards with 2 year warranties and such

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anykey_:

Tanthrix: the AMD Athlon64 X2 4200+ EE has a TDP of 65 watts, and is quite cheap and probably also a good choice ;)

[06:41:28]

Tanthrix:

I have this (probably mistaken) idea that I'll get a slightly more stable system using an intel board, since they are designed more for business situations and such as opposed to performance

[06:41:35]

Tanthrix:

And they are the ones making the chips

[06:42:11]

Tanthrix:

Looking for a good mobo is black magic, I swear. No decent way to tell if they manufacturer is using good components, or keeping things in spec, etc..

[06:42:16]

anykey_:

Tanthrix: most of the hardware on the board isn't from Intel anyway (IDE controller, lan)

[06:42:26]

Tanthrix:

This is true.

[06:43:26]

anykey_:

Tanthrix: I think there's a gigabyte board which is supported by LinuxBIOS, that would probably rock :)

[06:43:33]

Tanthrix:

I just have this general feeling that you're X percent more likely to get a stable system when going with intel and an intel mobo over AMD and some mysterious board

[06:43:40]

Tanthrix:

(Where X may be as low as .1 percent)

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Dagmar:

w00

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Dagmar:

"Initio 162x SATA support (HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL) (SATA_INIC162X) [N/m/?] (NEW)" <-- first time I've seen something tagged "HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL"

[06:48:19]

Dagmar:

That must be dangerous as hell

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Tanthrix:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811208019 <-- That seems to be pretty nice and cheap, if I could learn to stomach its cheesyness.

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juski:

morning clued & unclued :)

[06:59:48]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: You whine like a little girl. That's not cheesy

[06:59:56]

Dagmar:

THIS is cheesy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119098

[07:00:04]

Dagmar:

It's what I'm using as my frontend box at the moment

[07:00:23]

Sid`:

looks reasonably built, but it also looks like something that a 15yo with a Type R Civic would buy

[07:00:27]

Dagmar:

...cept I'm the kind of asshole who gets actual hazmat and radhaz warning stickers to put on it. ;)

[07:00:31]

Sid`:

sorry, "Type R" Civic

[07:01:51]

juski:

Sid`: you mean mental age of 15?

[07:02:04]

Sid`:

juski: either/or :)

[07:02:43]

Dagmar:

I thought it was R-Type

[07:02:58]

Sid`:

pretty sure it's Type R

[07:03:00]

Dagmar:

...cuz they can transform into whiny emobots

[07:03:02]

Sid`:

at least it is here

[07:04:23]

hads:

Type R

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** gardengnome has rediscovered need for speed: underground. ;) **

[07:05:12]

Dagmar:

Interesting that ya'll will correct me on Type R versus R-Type, but no one says a thing about transforming into robots.

[07:05:19]

directhex:

Dagmar, cheese. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811173003

[07:05:24]

juski:

that game is so wrong, giving you points for poncing up a car

[07:05:28]

gardengnome:

why? what's wrong with emobots?

[07:05:53]

Dagmar:

directhex: Nah, that's ASUS trying to cut into Alienware's chic.

[07:05:54]

gardengnome:

juski: i'm playing it in linux using cedega. that peugeot 206 GTI feels even slower than my real one because i only get 30fps

[07:06:01]

juski:

rofl

[07:06:16]

gardengnome:

did i say 30? i mean anything between 5fps and 60 fps.

[07:06:19]

Dagmar:

directhex: They even got the flimsy part right from what I've been told

[07:06:34]

directhex:

gardengnome owns a pug? poor gardengnome

[07:06:56]

gardengnome:

directhex: pug has got a market share of 20% here AFAIK

[07:07:18]

gardengnome:

directhex: so 1/5th of all cars make screeching noises when they break. ;)

[07:07:20]

juski:

cedega has _billing_ information pages when you sign up? eew

[07:07:21]

directhex:

doesn't mean they can make a reliable car!

[07:07:29]

Dagmar:

hahhah

[07:07:39]

gardengnome:

directhex: it works well enough for me :)

[07:07:51]

gardengnome:

s/break/brake/!

[07:07:55]

Dagmar:

juski: Yeah, it's not free

[07:08:04]

juski:

it's not Free or FREE either

[07:08:08]

gardengnome:

it's way too early in here.

[07:08:15]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Hehe, I guess you're right.

[07:08:17]

gardengnome:

juski: parts of it are free. their cvs server was down last night

[07:08:32]

Dagmar:

juski: However, it seems like their attitude towards the open-source aspect of it is that if you can find their source in the website, and are man enough to be able to compile it yourself, you can have it free then

[07:08:42]

hads:

gardengnome: I'm having dinner :)

[07:08:48]

directhex:

except the free builds are nigh on useless

[07:08:54]

juski:

ah right so you get to use it free if you've got a brain & don't mind a bit of blood

[07:09:13]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

[07:09:18]

Dagmar:

THat's how I got it the last time

[07:09:19]

gardengnome:

juski: you don't get the CD copy protection bits in the free version.

[07:09:20]

juski:

bit like mythtv then

[07:09:37]

Dagmar:

I crack the stuff I buy anyway

[07:09:58]

Dagmar:

My optical drives are for *me* to use, I didn't buy them to make some asshat's licencing code happy

[07:10:27]

Sid`:

ha.

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Dagmar:

sid3windr: Seriously. I had enough of that bullshit when I used a C-64

[07:12:23]

gardengnome:

juski: your themes are GPL? can i have the photoshop source files? ;)

[07:12:47]

directhex:

http://www.topgear.com/content/carsurvey/2006/peugeot/206/ that's actually quite a high rank for peugeot o/

[07:12:55]

Dagmar:

There's nothing like having to do preventive maintenance (i.e., head realignment) on your floppy drive every month to make you really hate hardware protection

[07:13:01]

directhex:

i have a game for my Dragon 32 somewhere that needs a dongle

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MaverickTech:

SIDE

[07:55:27]

MaverickTech:

side

[07:55:39]

MaverickTech:

gah

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gardengnome:

huh?

[07:56:18]

MaverickTech:

friday afternoon brain fade :|

[07:57:15]

gardengnome:

right

[07:57:18]

gardengnome:

it's friday.

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hugolp:

morning

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hads:

Evening

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Tuxguy:

If I solder a joint, and need to add a connection to that joint later, so I have to desolder that joint, attach the lead from the component, and then resolder? or can i just simply place the lead on top of the soldered joint, and add more solder?

[08:33:12]

cecil:

either or

[08:34:06]

Tuxguy:

Ah ok. This ir receiver page shows a soldered joint, then later she is like 'now add this compontent to this already soldered joint'

[08:34:10]

Tuxguy:

wasn't sure how to do that

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juski:

gardengnome: no you can't have the photoshop source files

[08:34:18]

juski:

you can have the source files

[08:34:24]

juski:

oh wait screw that

[08:34:28]

juski:

so they're not GPL!

[08:34:30]

juski:

:)

[08:34:34]

gardengnome:

right.

[08:34:35]

gardengnome:

:)

[08:34:39]

juski:

CC

[08:34:51]

juski:

I'll update my site etc today

[08:35:36]

juski:

could just go dark & make the whole fscking lot disappear mood I'm in today

[08:36:23]

hads:

Go on then.

[08:36:45]

juski:

yeah you'd like that

[08:37:26]

gardengnome:

yay, my mythtv box decided to boot up again.

[08:40:48]

juski:

gardengnome: why do you want the source files, or were you just proving a point?

[08:41:00]

gardengnome:

i'm prolly gonna put my dbox2 on ebay today.

[08:41:12]

juski:

do it!

[08:41:14]

gardengnome:

or... janneg, are you still interested in fixing dbox2 support?

[08:41:19]

juski:

let somebody else have the misery!

[08:41:21]

gardengnome:

jasta: i could send it to you

[08:41:23]

gardengnome:

juski: heh

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gardengnome:

the dbox2 is a fine DVB receiver, IHMO. it just doesn't work well with mythtv :)

[08:41:47]

gardengnome:

err, i meant janneg, not jasta

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gardengnome:

stupid fingers.

[08:42:03]

gardengnome:

juski: i was just proving a point (aka "annoying you")

[08:42:04]

juski:

gardengnome: you said janneg

[08:42:23]

gardengnome:

i said both

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juski:

lol

[08:42:31]

juski:

god I need a drink

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MaverickTech:

ooh, me too :)

[08:42:41]

MaverickTech:

make mine a double

[08:43:23]

juski:

could the random website defacer please edit all the GPL related comments on my website & change them to Creative Commons no derivs, attrib ?

[08:43:39]

juski:

I'm busy

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gardengnome:

they usually just put stuff like "iraqi haxx0r force! USA sucks! greetz to my friendz!"

[08:48:28]

MaverickTech:

does anyone know what the "Implement multiple recordings per transport" fork in the svn is implementing ? (apart from the obvious)

[08:49:03]

MaverickTech:

I haven't been able to suss exactly what functionality it will add ?

[08:49:10]

gardengnome:

um

[08:49:53]

gardengnome:

MaverickTech: on digital TV, you usually have more than one channel on one frequency. if you want to watch a station, your card will tune to that frequency and extract the channel from that multiplex/transport

[08:50:14]

gardengnome:

it's possible to record more than one channel simultaneously that way. the multirec branch is implementing that

[08:51:03]

quicksilver:

which is pretty damn neat for us DVB users :)

[08:51:15]

gardengnome:

yup!

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MaverickTech:

cool

[08:53:08]

MaverickTech:

could I also use it to fix my current issue of cutting the beginning/end of back to back recordings on the same channel ?

[08:53:13]

gardengnome:

no

[08:53:21]

gardengnome:

i think there's the softpadding branch for that

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MaverickTech:

I have start 3 mins early, end 10 mins late to catch programs – but this gets stuffed up with back to backs

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MaverickTech:

I have not applied the soft pad patch's yet

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MaverickTech:

I have staggered them manually with Input overrides for the moment

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** directhex|work proposes a patch **

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MaverickTech:

is the branch for soft padding in the svn ?

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directhex|work:

MaverickTech, multirec WILL help with padding at both ends, if the two porograms you're recording are on the same multiplex

[09:08:30]

MaverickTech:

they're on the same station

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MaverickTech:

e.g.

[09:08:57]

MaverickTech:

|-----NCIS-----||----Numbers----|

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MaverickTech:

normally I have early/late to allow for stupid TV network timings

[09:09:46]

MaverickTech:

when they back to back, I usually end up with the end of one program, in the beginning of the next

[09:09:53]

MaverickTech:

which is a bugger for archiving

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directhex|work:

hm, i don't know whether it's meant to deal with that

[09:10:10]

MaverickTech:

and annoys mav.wife <<< this being a bigger issue ;)

[09:10:12]

anykey_:

I don't think so

[09:10:24]

anykey_:

MaverickTech: you could get a second tuner with the same line-up

[09:10:34]

MaverickTech:

I have 2 tuners

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directhex|work:

might act as a side-effect. y'never know

[09:11:09]

anykey_:

MaverickTech: then schedule the first show on the first tuner & the second on the second tuner?

[09:12:12]

MaverickTech:

done that

[09:12:23]

MaverickTech:

I would like some automation of it in the future

[09:12:27]

anykey_:

ah

[09:12:31]

MaverickTech:

it's not a gripe, just interested

[09:12:49]

anykey_:

but, how should the scheduler know *when* the first show has ended?

[09:12:57]

anykey_:

if not from EPG

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MaverickTech:

by the usual 'run-late' allowance I have – 10 mins

[09:13:45]

MaverickTech:

EPG in .au is not accurate to the minute, in my experience

[09:14:17]

anykey_:

same here

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hads:

Wow

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Merlin83b:

directhex|work: If I want to shut it down, I just hit the power button. Soft off stuff takes care of the rest.

[09:16:48]

juski:

Merlin83b: exactly

[09:16:56]

juski:

make the lazy fsckers get out of their chair!

[09:16:59]

hads:

Being able to shut down a FE/BE box down would be handy in some cases.

[09:17:20]

directhex|work:

juski, does your remote have a power button on it?

[09:17:28]

Dagmar:

directhex: Umm... in which cases would it actually be useful to quit the frontend with lirc?

[09:18:01]

Merlin83b:

directhex|work: Mine does, but I never use it – I guess it should just be bound to execute shutdown -h now

[09:18:06]

Dagmar:

As to the rest, if someone would fix the patch that allows the creation of arbitrary commands from custom menu items, shutting down could be done with a menu theme

[09:19:05]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, if we look at mythtv as a device rather than a desktop app, how many home vcr/.dvd/pvr/whatever devices have no power button on the remote?

[09:19:17]

Merlin83b:

Most – they have a standby button.

[09:19:21]

Dagmar:

THey don't actually turn off

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Dagmar:

All those usually do is turn off the display

[09:20:06]

directhex|work:

i'm getting a distinct feeling of "don't bother"

[09:23:43]

hads:

Hmm looks like there isn't a way to get a list of recorders from the backend. Might have to do a direct query.

[09:26:01]

Dagmar:

directhex: well, honestly the simplest thing to do would be to dig out and polish up that patch I mentioned so that custom menu items could be created any time you like

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: I don't understand 'unless you set the quit key to XYZ in which case you're buggered quitting with LIRC'

[09:26:16]

Dagmar:

Then you could put a "Full Shutdown" button under the Setup menus

[09:26:25]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: why does setting the quit key separate from the 'back key' make it harder on lirc?

[09:26:53]

Dagmar:

I'm baffled as to why it would be useful to kill the frontend with lirc, because you sure as hell can't start it back up without the keyboard

[09:27:09]

Dagmar:

...and if you're at the keyboard, there's no reason you can't just slap CTRL-ALT-BKSP

[09:27:13]

directhex|work:

quicksilver, you can't set them differently. as it stands, myth only allows the "back up" key or a meta (ctrl, alt, whatever) and esc to quit

[09:27:40]

quicksilver:

ok. And what's hard about binding a lirc buttong to meta-esc?

[09:28:08]

Dagmar:

You can bind a key on your remote to shut down or suspend the box with lircd alone as it is

[09:28:14]

quicksilver:

that too

[09:28:29]

quicksilver:

you can do a 'irexec' binding or whatever it's called

[09:29:19]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, you wouldn't quit the FE using the remote. hence point 3. i don't want to quit on my dedicated box; i don't want to shutdown on my desktop

[09:30:34]

Dagmar:

Okay, so why are you wanting to "create a new LIRC-friendly key binding to display the quit menu from ANY screen"

[09:31:04]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: FWIW I'm not really disagreeing with your feature request, but I'm trying to understand your reasoning

[09:31:13]

quicksilver:

directhex|work: either I've misunderstood you, or some of the things you want are already possible...

[09:31:17]

Dagmar:

I'm kinda baffled myself

[09:31:58]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, why is it necessary to go back a large number of screens to have the ability to shut down? assuming you bind to ctrl+esc, why would a power button only work when a particular menu is displayed?

[09:32:17]

Dagmar:

Why is it necessary to go through any menus at all to get to the function you want

[09:32:31]

Dagmar:

...because the user didn't bind them to a button through lirc, mainly

[09:33:14]

Dagmar:

lircd is quite capable of executing commands when you push certain buttons

[09:33:38]

Dagmar:

...so the functionality of shutting the thing down is already there

[09:33:48]

directhex|work:

so why does myth even have a quit confirmation screen?

[09:33:55]

directhex|work:

if you've got a keyboard, you can hit alt-f4

[09:33:59]

Dagmar:

...and ctrl-esc just exits the frontend... it doesn't actually shut down

[09:34:17]

directhex|work:

ctrl-esc shows a confirmation screen, allowing you to cancel, quit the FE, or shutdown

[09:34:22]

Dagmar:

Man I just disable the exit function entirely

[09:34:33]

directhex|work:

except the latter option is hidden on a combined BE/FE

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Dagmar:

If you're at the keyboard, you don't _need_ to use any menus to kill the frontend

[09:35:13]

Dagmar:

You can just hit CTRL-ALT-BKSP and kill X outright

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, assuming you bind a key in lirc to CTRL+ESC, when can you press that key & have it work?

[09:35:38]

hads:

I believe he's talking about shutting the box down, not exiting the frontend.

[09:35:45]

Dagmar:

Any time you could normally hit CTRL-ESC and have it do something

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quicksilver:

as I understand it, ctrl-esc works from anywhere

[09:36:05]

quicksilver:

it's intended as a quick quit

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quicksilver:

you could make this shut the whole amchine down if you put 'shutdown' in the mythtv users X startup script, after mythfrontend

[09:36:38]

directhex|work:

assuming the FE never crashes

[09:36:41]

quicksilver:

or sudo shutdown, perhaps

[09:36:45]

quicksilver:

yup :)

[09:36:47]

Dagmar:

yuck no

[09:36:53]

directhex|work:

which assumes you never run mythmusic or mythweather

[09:36:54]

quicksilver:

you could check the exit code of the frontend, though

[09:37:02]

quicksilver:

you can distinguish a crash from a clean exit

[09:37:50]

Dagmar:

Just suid the reboot binary, or use consolehelper or something to facilitate that

[09:38:19]

Dagmar:

It would not be a good idea to make a formal process of misusing sudo

[09:40:51]

quicksilver:

advice on an IRC channel falls short of 'formal process' :)

[09:41:08]

quicksilver:

I don't think a correctly configured /etc/sudoers is any worse than a setuid reboot binary

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quicksilver:

but I do keep forgetting abotu consolehelper, it's true

[09:41:22]

directhex|work:

so. my questions are 1) if irxevent works for handling shutdowns, why are you opposed to allowing myth's quit code to take charge instead, considering it has, y'know, a confirmation dialog? never pressed a key by mistake?

[09:41:36]

Dagmar:

It's a matter of invoking a tool that's more complex than what's needed

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directhex|work:

2) why not allow the user to decide on a per-FE basis whether a quit option and a shutdown option are appropriate?

[09:42:07]

Dagmar:

1) It's not.

[09:42:13]

Dagmar:

2) The user is usually an idiot.

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Dagmar:

in re to 1), you can already bind a key to ctrl-esc with lirc

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directhex|work:

at which point it conflicts with 2

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Dagmar:

You're talking appliance use-case, right?

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directhex|work:

yes

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Dagmar:

You never shutdown the backend in that instance.

[09:44:24]

directhex|work:

never?

[09:44:32]

Dagmar:

Not unless you like missed recordings

[09:44:52]

directhex|work:

moreso than fried equipment or grouchy associates

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directhex|work:

from the thunderstorm or friends-sleeping-in-same-room-as-BE scenarios

[09:45:24]

Dagmar:

UPSes are your friend, and so are rubber grommets

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anykey_:

directhex|work: if it's an applicance it's probably silent

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juuva:

girlfriends and hairdryer's are bad for servers..

[09:48:53]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, and the ability to shut down a FE with the remote, using myth's confirmation dialog screen, but hiding the broadly useless quit option, is frowned upon too?

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Dagmar:

Hiding it when?

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directhex|work:

when that FE is configured to hide it

[09:50:10]

Dagmar:

...which happens based on what

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Dagmar:

Weren't you saying earlier that a fe-only box shows shutdown as an option?

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directhex|work:

the shutdown dialog has three buttons. cancel, quit, quit & shutdown

[09:51:26]

directhex|work:

the last button is automatically hidden on a BE/FE

[09:51:44]

directhex|work:

if i run the FE on my desktop pc, i don't want a shutdown option, in case i hit it by accident

[09:52:00]

directhex|work:

if i run the FE on a dedicated FE, i don't want a quit option, in case i drop to desktop

[09:52:50]

Dagmar:

So basically you're arguing that the quit screen should be configurable

[09:53:08]

directhex|work:

yes. yes i am.

[09:53:31]

Dagmar:

So hack that in there

[09:53:42]

Dagmar:

All the pieces are there, they just need to be rearranged a bit

[09:54:06]

Dagmar:

That's doable even at my "suck at C++" level

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directhex|work:

i hacked it in there a couple of years ago. i can hack it in again. the question is whether it's worth doing properly & polished, for inclusion upstream

[09:55:07]

directhex|work:

considering the reaction, i suspect not

[09:55:50]

Dagmar:

Well, if you phrase it like you did in the last few sentences, giving use-case scenarios and taking into account the previous behaviours (so this isn't a regression-by-side-effect) it might well get accepted

[09:56:56]

Dagmar:

The main issues are simply a) defining a concise and reasonable use-case and b) not breaking anything in the process

[09:57:27]

Dagmar:

...cuz adding stuff that no one is going to use just adds more places where bugs could live

[09:57:36]

Dagmar:

...and breaking stuff is always bad

[09:58:42]

Dagmar:

Seriously. Break it down into the three basic categories for use-case... Dedicated fe, combined fe-be, and desktop app, explain what's logical to appear in the menus for each, etc

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Dagmar:

Show how this contrasts with the current behaviour, and start working on making it happen

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directhex|work:

aha! found it. programs/mythfrontend/main.cpp line 446ish. i was faffing around with libmythui

[10:02:22]

hads:

directhex|work: I think it's worth it, FWIW

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directhex|work:

right, hacking in a configurable quit menu is easy. how to phrase the configuration option though?

[10:05:13]

Dagmar:

Yay more configuraiton items!

[10:05:46]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, yeah yeah i know.

[10:06:13]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, remove all the pvr350 stuff to save space. no bugger uses those, right?

[10:06:14]

Dagmar:

I'd say have one checkbox that says "Auto-populate exit menu" and when it's disabled, simply give two more checkboxes... One to enable 'quit fe' and one to enable 'shutdown whole machine'.

[10:06:32]

Dagmar:

directhex: Let's toss framegrabber stuff while we're at it

[10:06:45]

directhex|work:

sod it. streamline myth, make it dvb-only

[10:07:33]

directhex|work:

could make it a pulldown menu – e.g. ["Quit only","Quit and Shutdown","Shutdown only"] or ["Desktop application","Dedicated front-end","Combined back-end and front-end"]

[10:07:58]

hads:

Ew to the last option

[10:08:53]

hads:

Make them mean something (like the first option).

[10:10:02]

Dagmar:

Those last three things would be auto-detectable actually

[10:10:25]

hads:

That's effectively what it does at the moment.

[10:10:31]

Dagmar:

Yep

[10:11:02]

Dagmar:

You could maybe have one four-item drop-down, with "Autodetect" as the default, and the other three options as possible selections to overrider

[10:11:34]

hads:

That sounds better, it won't change the current behaviour either.

[10:12:18]

directhex|work:

a single combobox also minimises the amount of extra config screen space

[10:12:46]

hads:

Drop down rather than combo box though.

[10:12:56]

hads:

No need for typing stuff in.

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directhex|work:

yeah, that's what i meant

[10:13:51]

directhex|work:

the humble combobox has had its meaning mangled over time, especially since i do GTK stuff mainly

[10:27:20]

directhex|work:

right. part 1, the quit menu itself, patched.

[10:27:53]

directhex|work:

ought to build fine

[10:28:34]

clever:

directhex|work: for your no shutdown/quit

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clever:

you can use mythwelcome to semi block quiting

[10:29:09]

clever:

and aslong as the mythtv username lacks perms to shutdown the system it shouldnt be able to do so even if you hit the button

[10:29:34]

hads:

That's not the only thing he's trying to achieve.

[10:29:47]

directhex|work:

somewhere out there, a million usability experts are crying into their expensive coffee

[10:31:39]

hads:

From what?

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clever:

im trying to make a script which will print the total free space between all storage groups and how much can expire

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directhex|work:

clever, there should never be ironic options in an application. they should do exactly what they say. "exit" should exit, not respawn. "shutdown" should shutdown, not exit. if those options aren't desired, they shouldn't be there – not do unexpected things

[10:32:41]

hads:

clever: Perl/Python/Bash/?

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clever:

directhex|work: 'shutdown' will fail if you run it without root or from something else

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directhex|work:

okay, patched mythfrontend builds fine. hads, can you take a quick peek?

[10:32:59]

quicksilver:

irony is good. Shutdown should shut down immediately unless there is a thunderstorm, in which case it should inexplicably hang for 10 minutes.

[10:33:02]

quicksilver:

that would be ironic

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clever:

hads: bash atm but i could switch to php, i know how to do it but i need to know where in mysql it is

[10:33:36]

hads:

directhex|work: Umm, sure, although I'm no C++ coder :)

[10:33:40]

clever:

directhex|work: exit is somewhat useless on a dedicated frontend box but can be used with mythwelcome;mythwelcome; to restart the mythwelcome/FE

[10:33:48]

directhex|work:

hads, neither am i o/ http://pastebin.ca/482608

[10:34:08]

directhex|work:

clever, and when your mythwelcome;mythwelcome;mythwelcome;mythwelcome;mythwelcome; runs out?

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clever:

directhex|work: that was just another way, i forget how to do a for loop in bash

[10:34:35]

clever:

never used one before:P

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Dagmar:

Do it C-style

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quicksilver:

while true; do mythwelcome; done

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clever:

ahhh that would do it:)

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Dagmar:

for (( i++; i < LIMIT ; i=0)); do

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clever:

Dagmar: but for inf loops quicksilver's idea looks better

[10:35:39]

clever:

and add a sleep to give it a delay

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Dagmar:

Yes because we always want to encourage infinite loops

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clever:

mythwelcome will probly exit itself when you choose shutdown and starting it right back up while the box is shutind down is useless

[10:36:15]

clever:

the delay will keep it from using 100% cpu

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hads:

directhex|work: Um, I guess it looks OK, I'd have to look at the rest of the file (but I'm not going to as it's 22:30 Friday here and I have beer :)

[10:36:31]

clever:

and whats the point in fully exiting mythwelcome in a pure frontend box?

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hads:

Um, why can't you scroll?

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clever:

hads: and where would i find the single dir in a older version which doesnt support storage groups

[10:39:36]

clever:

no scroll bars in xterm

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clever:

and putty's scrollbars are useless when inside screen

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hads:

^A ESC

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clever:

yeah i just recently learned that

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clever:

and all this is useless since storagegroup is on the last page:P

[10:40:26]

clever:

no need to scroll

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hads:

Quite. So not a lot of point in asking then :)

[10:41:06]

clever:

i didnt expect it to have its own table

[10:41:18]

clever:

was expecting it to be hidden in one of the other tables

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clever:

also awhile ago i found a way to get a certain frontend to use a diff ip for the master backend

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clever:

| value | data | hostname |

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clever:

default is the LAN ip but the laptop will use a vpn ip so everything still works even when im not home

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Dagmar:

At least until IANA assigns that netblock to something

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clever:

both ip's lead to the same host and mythbackend doesnt bind to anything so it works seamlessly even when the laptop isnt on the 'proper' lan

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clever:

Dagmar: that netblock is reserved and my local pc routing table sends it towards the ham0 interface when the vpn client starts

[10:45:31]

clever:

www.hamachi.cc

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directhex|work:

so, firstly the patch tries to get the value of the frontend's OverrideExitMenu value from the DB, default 0 if not found (i absolutely adore working with myth settings, it's all so self-configured). the "quit" button is only drawn if that value is 0 or 1 (0 being old style behaviour, 1 being desktop-app mode). the shutdown button is only drawn if the value is 2 (dedicated FE) or if it's old-style behaviour mode (0) and is a frontend-

[10:46:06]

directhex|work:

only.

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clever:

p2p vpn with no need to forward ports

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directhex|work:

as a workaround for the use of a switch(){} statement, if it's in mode 2 (dedicated FE), and option 2 is selected (normally exit, but for a dedicated FE is shutdown), it makes sure the result code matches the expected posiiton of the shutdown option in the switch(){}

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clever:

hads: only problem that can arise from that netblock being used is my lack of being able to access things in it

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hads:

me? I believe you want Dagmar, I'm not in this conversation.

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clever:

oops:P

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clever:

im also using this bit of code in bash to autodetect the mysql crud

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clever:

. ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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clever:

mysql -u $DBUserName -p$DBPassword -h $DBHostName -D $DBName

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clever:

doesnt handle every posible location of mysql.txt but several sourcings in the proper order should to it(later ones override others,if's with -e detect missing)

[10:50:21]

clever:

-r may be better for the if's

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hads:

directhex|work: So it doesn't seem as flexible as I though you were going to make it.

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juski:

directhex|work: my remote doesn't need a power button on it cos I'm not a lazy arse

[10:51:42]

juski:

:)

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Dagmar:

Umm... I have a bit of code that probably does a better job of searching

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juski:

but it does have – it's just not mapped to anything

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directhex|work:

hads, that covers everything though – 0 for "old behaviour", 1 for "show exit but not shutdown", 2 for "show shutdown but not exit", 3 for "show nothing"

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hads:

What about show exit and shutdown?

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directhex|work:

yeah, i was just wondering that. oopsie :)

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juski:

keep shutdown away from lusers with combined machines IMHO

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juski:

at all costs

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clever:

Dagmar: searching what?

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Dagmar:

Searching for that file

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clever:

juski: my laptop is also a frontend and i dont want mythtv shuting it off without warning but since mythtv runs as 'mythtv' it lacks acces to do so

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clever:

Dagmar: ahh:)

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Dagmar:

clever: http://pastebin.ca/482653

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clever:

Dagmar: nice, thanks:)

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clever:

MYSQLTXT='';find_mysqltxt;. $MYSQLTXT

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clever:

im guessing thats safe from exploits of having MYSQLTXT being set when the script is ran(causing sourcing of unkown crap)

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Dagmar:

Ummm... what language is _that_ supposed to be in?

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clever:

bash/sh

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

for one thing, mysql.txt isn't bash script, so you *don't* source it in with '.'

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clever:

i know its not a bash script

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Dagmar:

What are you _trying_ to do

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clever:

but its nothing but var=value and comments

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Dagmar:

...because _that_ is just crazy

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clever:

the comments are ignored by bash as that

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clever:

and the var=value are ran setting those var's for me

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clever:

then i can just mysql -u $DBUserName -p$DBPassword -h $DBHostName -D $DBName

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

You're still going about it the hard way

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Dagmar:

One moment

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Dagmar:

...and putting the password on the command line is dangerous

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clever:

i know

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clever:

and 'mythtv 10025 1.2 0.4 5436 2328 pts/2 S+ 05:11 0:00 mysql -u mythtv -px xxxxxx mythconverg'

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clever:

my mysql blocked it

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clever:

i can work on that part later

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Dagmar:

Look at http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/rc.mythbackend

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clever:

it was probly visible for a split second while it was starting up

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Dagmar:

Note that it creates a _private file_ which it uses as an options file

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clever:

ahhh and in there will be the default password

[11:01:18]

clever:

and since only the current use can read its safer

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Dagmar:

Yep

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clever:

that would also shorten the command lines of running several mysql's since it simply references the config instead of all the var's

[11:02:05]

Dagmar:

Yep.

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clever:

all im realy trying to do is total up the truly free space AND the space taken by crap that can auto expire and can be free if needed

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clever:

id normaly trow it together shortly in php but i didnt want it to depend on php

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hads:

The perl bindings (or the new Python stuff, yay!) has all that stuff built in already.

[11:04:42]

clever:

it would also run faster because it doesnt start several mysql clients and wont put any password in a cmd line or temp file

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directhex|work:

hads, there you go. http://pastebin.ca/482666 – 0 for current behaviour, 1 for quit, 2 for quit and shutdown, 3 for shutdown, 4 for nothing (though there's no reason for 4, you may as well disable shutdowns)

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clever:

hads: i forgot the perl i did learn and havent learned python yet

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clever:

hadsL is that allready built stuff mythtv interface lib;s for those language or something else?

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hads:

directhex|work: Cool.

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directhex|work:

hads, need to find the code to add it to the settings screen now

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hads:

directhex|work: Maybe the setting could be incorporated with the current shutdown setting somehow to save of config screen confusion.

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hads:

I don't like that, seems to 'dumb' for me, I'd make them actually mean something. "Show Quit", "Show Exit", etc.

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hads:

But that's just MHO

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directhex|work:

juski! opinions?

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directhex|work:

i'm gonna dump the "show nothing" option, it's worthless

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hads:

Makes sense

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directhex|work:

right, in theory it's done

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hads:

Patch?

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directhex|work:

let me test it first

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hads:

Sure, I thought I'd have a look for you.

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juski:

directhex|work: like I said don't give a luser the option to shut down a combined machine or there'll be hell to pay. anything else is good IMHO other than the "what?! yet another configurable item?!" aspect

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kaptanoguz:

hi friends

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kaptanoguz:

how can i create mysql database for mythTV?

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kslater:

should be the DDL for that in the source

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kslater:

short of that I don't know a good way

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directhex|work:

hads, tested as working. http://pastebin.ca/482840

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Dagmar:

kaptanoguz: That's in the installation documentation on the Wiki and the main website

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kslater:

juski – I've asked in the past about how mythtv decides what to schedule and you've always said it's driven by the priority. I need to debug something that's going on with my 2 b/e system. Last night it tried to schedule 3 recordings of Survivor at the same time and I only have 2 tuners..

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Dagmar:

Congratulations, it's smart enough to ignore silly instructions to record the same thing twice at once

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kslater:

Dagmar – I'm baffled b/c for the most part it works terrific

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kslater:

I'm thinking it's b/c of the way I had to add my HD channels to my additional backend system.

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Dagmar:

Except that it doesn't record one thing twice at the same time and same channel?

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kslater:

no, it's just that one show

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TSCHAKWerk:

morning all

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Dagmar:

I think the problem there is that it has some taste

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kslater:

everything else works like it should where it handles conflicts and such as expected

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kslater:

Dagmar – I don't pick ALL the shows on my system. :-)

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a5benwillis:

Tanthrix: Are you around?

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a5benwillis:

morning to everyone else

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kslater:

so any hints on how to debug this?

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a5benwillis:

kslater: I didnt see what the problem was.

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bonaugo:

hello 2 all

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TSCHAKWerk:

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070511 ;-)

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Zider:

Tanthrix: you there?

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a5benwillis:

he's popular this morning

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Zider:

a5benwillis: did you try one of them HD clips?

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a5benwillis:

yes

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Zider:

worked fine?

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a5benwillis:

I got 40–50% on the 720

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a5benwillis:

and 60–70 on the 1080P

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bonaugo:

could u please tell me if mythtv with DVB-T there are problems?

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a5benwillis:

bonaugo: None that I know of, I hear people using them all the time in here.

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bonaugo:

good! wonderful! Perhaps there are problems to retrieve the list of week programs for all channels...?

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Zider:

I got about 50% usage on one core with a 1080P clip

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Zider:

but it has to be scaled down on my monitor :P

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a5benwillis:

Zider: I couldnt figureout how to tell what one core was using..

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Zider:

I use gkrellm

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a5benwillis:

I used the cpu number from top

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Zider:

(this is on my desktop system)

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a5benwillis:

is that a gui monitor?

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bonaugo:

i'm going to build mythtv that acts aa digital tv + pvr system on a epia via sp13000

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Zider:

a5benwillis: yesh

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bonaugo:

oops

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a5benwillis:

Zider: What distro?

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Zider:

a5benwillis: I'm running gentoo

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a5benwillis:

ubuntu here

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Zider:

never used that

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Zider:

me and apt don't get along ;)

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a5benwillis:

lol

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bonaugo:

gentoo is incredible! it is the only distro that bring to life again my old imac

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Zider:

yeah gentoo is nice :)

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Zider:

at least if you have a powerful CPU ;)

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fryfrog:

gentoo beats up all the other discros and takes their lunch money, pushes them into mud puddles

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bonaugo:

one has to be very patient with gentoo eheheh

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RaYmAn-Bx:

true gentoo users have compile farms so you don't have to be patient ;)

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a5benwillis:

fryfrog: LOL

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bonaugo:

:)))

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Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: or a really fast CPU :)

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Zider:

hehe

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fryfrog:

gentoo, really its only for those people who are man enough to use it :p

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fryfrog:

which is why I migrated to Ubuntu

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Zider:

I only have two systems, can't be arsed to setup distcc

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Zider:

fryfrog: yer a girl?

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fryfrog:

no, i wish!

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bonaugo:

i'd like to install gentoo on a usb stick... and reserve my sata 360G hd only to my tv recordings :)

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Zider:

:D

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fryfrog:

damn, i'd never leave the house!

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I used distcc for a while on my two systems..but since they were slightly different cpus and stuff, it started breaking quite fast :(

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Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: no cross compiling set up?

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fryfrog:

i had the same problem, should have been able tow ork around it... but it wasn't worth figuing out

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Zider: no, I suppose I should have..but with both being i686-ish I figured it wouldn't be needed

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Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: ah

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Zider:

mine is a 32bit and a 64bit.. screw distcc.. ;)

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fryfrog:

yeah, that was my diff too

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RaYmAn-Bx:

mine was just a Pentium M and a via c3-ii

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kslater:

abenwillis: I had a show get scheduled 3 times in a single slot, I only have 2 tuners (1 each, 2 backends). The HD tuner was scheduled to record the show on 2 different channels.

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fryfrog:

one 64bit and one xon 32bit :/

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RaYmAn-Bx:

so the via really needed all the help it could =P

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RaYmAn-Bx:

+get

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

Someday, I will use gentoo again... but I've actually been very happy with ubuntu

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

hi fryfrog

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fryfrog:

hi you!

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planktonboy:

not bad thanks

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Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: just take the drive from the via, plug it into the Pentium M, chroot to the drive and run the updates that way.. that's how I used to do it on my laptop :)

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planktonboy:

tired

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bonaugo:

what about EpiOS it's not downloadable from epios.net

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planktonboy:

was up till 6.30 this morning burning off some diskd

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planktonboy:

disks even :)

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planktonboy:

got my new Samsung LE40M86BD last weekend

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planktonboy:

nice lcd tv

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Zider: kindof hard when the pentium m is my mythtv box and the other one was my webserver-mailserver-etc

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Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: hard to take out the drive?

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planktonboy:

I bought the Sharp LC42XD1E, but then heard about the Samsung so I thought would try that, so my Mum is having the Sharp now :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Zider: hard to have any of the boxes offline for any period of time

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Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: ah, I misread.. thought the Pen-M was the server.. :D

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planktonboy:

btw, any news on the mythweather plugin...its not been working for a week or so since I tried it

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planktonboy:

seems the www.weather.com may have changed something so mythweather cant read from it anymore

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planktonboy:

but cant find any real info on what has happened

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juski:

whooyeah 130MB/sec over dual esata, 50 MB random read/writes

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Dagmar:

planktonboy: Welcome to two months' ago

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monotonous:

hi – does somebody know whats wrong if I get reference errors from libavmythcodec ?

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TSCHAKWerk:

is there an XML feed that comes from weather.com ?

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planktonboy:

hi Dagmar, 2 months ago? that long? I am sure it was working up until only a few weeks back for me. Oh well I must have been in a time warp :)

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planktonboy:

anyways thanks, at least I know its not just my system then :)

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cal_:

my set top unit has a little lcd screen on the front.. is there any way for mythtv to control this?

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directhex|work:

probably

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TSCHAKWerk:

cal_: look at mythlcd

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TSCHAKWerk:

cal_: it uses any lcd display supported by lcdproc to provide status information.

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TSCHAKWerk:

cal_: it's worth trying.

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TSCHAKWerk:

cal_: look in mythplugins

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planktonboy:

cal isn't there a setting in the Utils/Setup to activate that from within mythtv

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TSCHAKWerk:

and yes there is

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TSCHAKWerk:

oops sorry not in mythplugins

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's actually in myth core, look in setup

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planktonboy:

yes

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TSCHAKWerk:

I don't have an HTPC case yet, but soon

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planktonboy:

just goiiiiing to look for exactly where it is

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planktonboy:

utilities/setup – setup – Appearance – LCD Device Display

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planktonboy:

the last page of the Appearance menu

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cal_:

cool

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planktonboy:

there is a tick box called Enable LCD device

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cal_:

does it give a list of lcd's supported and you pick one in the list?

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cal_:

will have to wait till i get home tonight to try it

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planktonboy:

no it doesnt seem to

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planktonboy:

it just seems to give a choice of what you want to show on the display

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planktonboy:

maybe it picks it up automagically

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cal_:

hope so =)

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quicksilver:

it talks to the lcd driver

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quicksilver:

it's the lcd driver you need to config for the correct display

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quicksilver:

not myth itself

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cal_:

it didnt come with any windows drivers

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cal_:

err linux drivers

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quicksilver:

no, they normally don't

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quicksilver:

what you have to do is search the 'net and see if linux drivers do in fact exist :)

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cal_:

crap i was afraid of that

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cal_:

i did a search for linux and ion ec-2 and came up with nothing

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TSCHAKWerk:

cal_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LCDproc

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quicksilver:

you may wish to start here: http://lcdproc.omnipotent.net/

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cal_:

i am hoping ion used a standard lcd that other boxes have.. i just have to find out what lcd it is

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planktonboy:

ah

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cal_:

http://lcdproc.omnipotent.net/

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quicksilver:

yes, I just said that :P

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cal_:

i know.. i pasted it to the wrong place =)

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Tommck:

I have heard and read in the past about people moving TV recordings to another drive and just soft-linking to them so that MythTV will play them as usual. I tried to do this with Videos and it doesn't seem to work. Am I doing something wrong, or does this only work for recordings? (Yes, I have googled)

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quicksilver:

Tommck: should work fine for either, I'd think

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quicksilver:

Tommck: did you get the video thingy to rescan?

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planktonboy:

check your permissions

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Tommck:

ooh... duh... check perms... I should try that... god... I'll be embarrassed if that's it :)

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planktonboy:

:)

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Tommck:

nope... 777 perms

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Tommck:

quicksilver – when I went back to the "VIdeo Manager", it told me the files were missing, even though the links are the same exact name

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planktonboy:

is your symlink in the correct dir

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Tommck:

planktonboy – yep... same exact place as the original file

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planktonboy:

ok

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quicksilver:

do the links actualy point to the right place?

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Tommck:

hehe.. yeah

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planktonboy:

also are owner group correct

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gbee:

Tommck: does "mythtv path/to/file" work?

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quicksilver:

then I'm surprised. Maybe mythvideo is stupid about that

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Tommck:

yep

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Tommck:

gbee – what do you mean?

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Tommck:

gbee – you can run it that way?

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gbee:

Tommck: yeah

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gordboy:

i finally got the blasted thing to work. after 3 weeks of ploughing through ABYSMAL documentation. the main problem is that the docu was written by people who know mythtv intimately, but have no idea how to communicate accurately. anyways that's all in the past. where's my Gold Star ? :)

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Tommck:

gbee – so... not mythfrontend, just mythtv?

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gbee:

"mythtv" can run as a standalone app for playback, but it's mostly for debugging purposes

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Tommck:

interesting..

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planktonboy:

thanks for the tip gbee

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gbee:

gordboy: contributions to improve documentation are always appreciated

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planktonboy:

I'll remember that too

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Tommck:

of course, now I have to figure out how to kill my infinite loop login script in order to try that :)

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gbee:

mythtv on it's own still requires the database, so it's not really a portable solution but I occassionally use it for quickly playing back vids which don't play under mplayer etc

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Tommck:

right

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cal_:

hrmmm

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cal_:

so i cant use mythweb like a slingbox? =)

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Tommck:

gbee – the error I get tring the "mythtv /path/to/file" approach is "Ringbuf Could not open....

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** Tommck is retarded **

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Tommck:

so... if you're doing things through NFS to a backend.... and you do an "ln -s /path/not/in/NFS" ... it's pretty much not going to work

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mintee:

morning all

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Tommck:

(or at least to those who are still in the morning, right?)

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gbee:

tsck, students

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bonaugo:

i hate these malfunctions...

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mintee:

is there a way to clean up the database?

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bonaugo:

what do you think of sata1 seagate barracuda 7200.8 360 G to store recordings with mythtv?

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gbee:

mintee: are you sure it wasn't there? i.e. you checked all the recording groups/categories?

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tank-man:

bonaugo, do you already have it or going to buy it?

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bonaugo:

tank-man i've already it

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tyce:

anyone heard whether or not the os x mythtv frontend will run properly on an AppleTV?

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tank-man:

bonaugo, well then just use it if it is not broken

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GreyFoxx:

tyce: People in here with them have said that they have

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bonaugo:

tank-man, i think i'll format it in a xfs filesystem much faster than ext3

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tyce:

GreyFoxx: cool, thanks... trying to find some info online and have only found references to people wanting it, no one saying they have and here's how :)

[14:56:42]

mintee:

gbee, i've looked everywhere on the frontend

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mintee:

can't find it anywhere... also recorded some movies from HBO and their mpgs are there but not listed

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gbee:

ok, well that's very unusual

[14:57:24]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

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gbee:

have you checked the database directly?

[14:57:34]

juski:

talk about a FAQ

[14:57:53]

mintee:

gbee, no i haven't. that's a good idea

[14:57:58]

** juski hints that making the default to show all recordings will end all this **

[14:58:33]

gbee:

and then people will complain about livetv recordings showing up

[14:59:31]

juski:

users always end up complaining. solution: don't have any users :)

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bonaugo:

:)))

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idler:

hi there

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Zider:

juski: only admins? ;)

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juski:

by developers for developers? ;)

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gbee:

only developers ;)

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directhex|work:

developers are even worse than users. they mess everything up

[15:01:35]

idler:

I'm having slight trouble with my screensaver settings. When I press a key on the remote, the monitor switches on but only shows a black screen (that's still the screensaver). pressing more keys doesn't change anything

[15:01:40]

idler:

has anyone had that problem?

[15:01:52]

quicksilver:

I quite like the default hiding of livetv recordings

[15:02:06]

quicksilver:

but I do think the way of making them appear should be more obvious or more documented :)

[15:02:12]

quicksilver:

I only discovered by mistake, myself

[15:02:23]

quicksilver:

(pressed the key by mistake and up popped the menu)

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GreyFoxx:

What would be a best of both worlds would be a visual indicator on the screen that there are items in other recording groups or just items in the LiveTV Group

[15:02:37]

cal_:

is it possible to use mythweb to view my tv on the web?

[15:03:06]

quicksilver:

GreyFoxx: even a whole line of text: "87 recordings hidden, press Menu to show"

[15:03:10]

quicksilver:

GreyFoxx: something liek that

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directhex|work:

i should throw my exit menu patch at trac

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: What does it do ?

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quicksilver:

GreyFoxx: let's you choose explicitly if 'shutdown' and/or 'quit' are available choices

[15:04:56]

GreyFoxx:

Oh

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quicksilver:

since he made a good case that the current approach of 'try to guess' doesn't always get it right

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GreyFoxx:

As long as it defaults to Off in thecase of acombined FE/BE I don't see there being any resistance to it

[15:07:05]

quicksilver:

I think it defaults to 'Automatic' (i.e. current behaviour)

[15:07:13]

quicksilver:

but allows the user to choose if they want someting different

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mintee:

well, i see it (lost) in the actual 'recored' table of the database.

[15:08:13]

mintee:

s/recored/recorded

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quicksilver:

mintee: hit 'menu' in the watch recordings view

[15:08:36]

quicksilver:

mintee: choose a different option

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quicksilver:

more/different stuff will appear

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quicksilver:

menu = M if you're using a keyboard IIRC

[15:09:29]

quicksilver:

maybe that's where they've got to

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directhex|work:

ARGH

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directhex|work:

why does trac do everying in its power to make me "anonymous"?

[15:10:15]

mIRCat:

Good of mankind?

[15:10:38]

directhex|work:

really. if i try changing the box to my email address as it suggests, it changes it back

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mintee:

AWESOME! seems i was stuck in sitcoms filter

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directhex|work:

mintee, sounds like Groundhog Day

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mintee:

sorry, i was unaware of this filtering scheme.. hehe

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directhex|work:

there we go, ticket submitted – and changed to anonymous for no good goddamn reason

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TSCHAKWerk:

all I see is Everybody Loves Raymond.

[15:13:56]

TSCHAKWerk:

all I see is Everybody Loves Raymond...

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TSCHAKWerk:

all I see is Everybody Loves Raymond!!!

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mintee:

lol

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TSCHAKWerk:

ALL I SEE IS EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND!!! *SHOOTS-SELF*

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

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directhex|work:

eric raymond?

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mintee:

the fact that I lost the lost episode is kinda funny

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TSCHAKWerk:

hahahaha

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, if you're curious, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3446

[15:24:12]

mintee:

can anyone recommend a videocard that will smoothly play HD playback and HD livetv

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directhex|work:

ooh, that reminds me. juski, where are those x264 test streams?

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quicksilver:

mintee: mainly you need a fearsome CPU

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juski:

directhex|work: look in the log

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quicksilver:

mintee: so you need a fast CPU from the last 6 months or so to play

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mintee:

ah, hum... cause I have the pchdtv and it's rather useless for me now

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quicksilver:

although, to be fair, 720i isn't too hard; I can play 720i on my single core AMD 1500 and 'just skip a few frames'

[15:27:10]

mintee:

so it's just the video drivers problem right?

[15:27:11]

Fony_Vaio:

is there a way to make myth delete transcoded (nuvexport) recordings at the same time as deleting the nuv?

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directhex|work:

hm

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directhex|work:

juski, nope :(

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quicksilver:

mintee: the problem is that decoding x264 is a lot of work

[15:28:12]

mintee:

cause i have been recording .264 1080's and then copiing them to my winders machine to watch them

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directhex|work:

juski, looks like the x264 decoder's not multithreaded, which doesn't help

[15:28:31]

juski:

directhex|work: yeah I know it isn

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juski:

't

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mintee:

i think i might start up a dualboot on my main machine which is a E6600 c2d, with a 7900GT card to see if it played 1080i

[15:30:15]

mintee:

lunch, bbl

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fryfrog:

and by fearsome, he means reasonable. i do HD playback on an amd64 3200+

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: yarr, it's all relative :)

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: I did qualify it with merely 'fast CPU from last 6 months'

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quicksilver:

not that I can remember when the 3200 came out

[15:32:20]

fryfrog:

at least a year ago :)

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, mpeg2 or x264?

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fryfrog:

mpeg2

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fryfrog:

can we do h264 now?

[15:33:28]

fryfrog:

er, i mean... how do you do it in linux?

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, technically, sure! needs more megah00rtz than you have though

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fryfrog:

i've honestly not tried

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fryfrog:

i don't think i've even tried an h264 on my windows puters :)

[15:34:50]

fryfrog:

is it so much better than say, boring old mpeg2/divx/xvid?

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directhex|work:

good lord x264 is hungrier than mpeg2

[15:35:20]

fryfrog:

but does it yield any goodness for its hunger?

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: it gets the file sizes much much smaller than mpeg2

[15:35:28]

fryfrog:

are h264 files of the same "quality" smaller?

[15:35:30]

fryfrog:

ahhhhh

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TSCHAKWerk:

fryfrog: considerably better video output at much smaller sizes.

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quicksilver:

I don't think it's

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quicksilver:

all taht far ahead of xvid?

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MrWork:

you don't like 9gb for an hour show?

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quicksilver:

but it's way ahead of mpeg2

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fryfrog:

it doesn't bother me!

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opello:

slice type, not frame type!

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directhex|work:

good lord

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directhex|work:

x264 HD isn't playable on this machine. mpeg2 HD asks for ~15% CPU

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fryfrog:

fun :p

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MrWork:

what are your specs?

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fryfrog:

at least new nvidia cards are coming out with 264 support

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: but will they have linux .264 support?

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kemik:

fryfrog: but are linux drivers supportni git? :D

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TSCHAKWerk:

yes, but the driver support isn't there yet.

[15:38:23]

fryfrog:

prolly not yet :/

[15:38:33]

TSCHAKWerk:

DRM issues

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fryfrog:

i have to *hope* that it'll happen, but...

[15:38:50]

TSCHAKWerk:

PureVideo HD is protected by a mess of DRMage

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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TSCHAKWerk:

so probably no hope.

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fryfrog:

life sucks, then you die :(

[15:39:20]

fryfrog:

at least my HD isn't sent in that format :)

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directhex|work:

and enabling XvMC, it's smoooooooooooooooth

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MrWork:

i'm doing ota hd and my 1.6 p4 dont cut it for playback :(

[15:41:08]

fryfrog:

my 2.4ghz xeon didn't cut it either

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fryfrog:

2 of them was just *barely* not enough

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directhex|work:

xvmc barely affects cpu load with hd mpeg2 for me

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MrWork:

what vid card

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fryfrog:

xvmc plain old sucks for me :(

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directhex|work:

7600gt

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fryfrog:

jesus

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MrWork:

should a fx5200 work? i've read it should but it doesnt want to

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fryfrog:

overkill for your mythbox ever?

[15:42:16]

directhex|work:

fryfrog, this is my office pc

[15:42:23]

fryfrog:

my Ti4200 doesn't do XvMC, nor does my 6200 :(

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overpointe:

How do you all deal with errors like this? http://www.pastebin.ca/483088

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fryfrog:

directhex|work: ahhhhh

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directhex|work:

overpointe, looks like an ip/hostname issue to me

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** TSCHAKWerk is getting an 8600GTS **

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directhex|work:

overpointe, is this a networked backend, or a combined BE/FE?

[15:44:01]

overpointe:

It's a combined BE/FE, directhex.

[15:44:37]

overpointe:

I ran the setup, and saw that it was set to 127.0.0.1.

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm praying that when i get around to building my house/system in 10 years or so, most of these issues will be resolved :-P

[15:45:28]

hugolp:

TSCHAK dont count on it

[15:45:41]

hugolp:

the hologram technology will still be a pain in the ass

[15:45:56]

hugolp:

and the new codecs will need work to work right

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hugolp:

;)

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directhex|work:

overpointe, okay. edit /etc/hosts and make sure you set your hostname and localhost to both be 127.0.0.1

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overpointe:

directhex, it says: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost

[15:52:13]

overpointe:

This is very frustrating.

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fryfrog:

you can't use a hostname in the box that says "IP address"

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fryfrog:

i dunno if that is what you've done, but... maybe

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monotonous:

guys I cant compile mythtv because during linking some XvMC symbols arent found

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monotonous:

any suggests?

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monotonous:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCCreateContext' .... etc

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siXy:

having remote issues. lird is working correctly, irw works as expected and there is a valid ~/.mythtv/lircrc file yet it doesnt actually work

[16:04:29]

gbee:

overpointe: what version of QT?

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directhex|work:

it's a problem i had a lot with my old debian BE/FE, which was fixed by ensuring localhost and machinename shared an IP

[16:05:12]

gbee:

siXy: is mythtv compiled with lirc support?

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siXy:

gbee: as far as i can work out yes. I am using the standard precompiled pacakges for suse 10, and if i remove the .mythtv/lircrc file it complains that the file is missing

[16:07:03]

gbee:

pastebin.ca your lircrc – it's probably the cause of the problem then

[16:09:00]

gbee:

monotonous: I would guess that it's linking against the wrong libs – what compile options are you using? Is XvMCW pointing to the correct library?

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monotonous:

./configure --arch=i686 --enable-dvb --enable-lirc --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmc-pro --enable-xvmc-opengl --xvmc-lib=XvMC --disable-audio-jack

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monotonous:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7850 2006-09–09 01:30 /usr/lib/libXvMC.a

[16:11:05]

monotonous:

-r--r--r-- 1 root root 193966 2007-04–18 13:34 /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.a

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monotonous:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2007-04–18 13:34 /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 -> libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.9755

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monotonous:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 178924 2007-04–18 13:34 /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.9755

[16:11:05]

monotonous:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2007-05–11 17:20 /usr/lib/libXvMC.so -> libXvMC.so.1.0.0

[16:11:09]

monotonous:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2007-05–11 17:20 /usr/lib/libXvMC.so.1 -> libXvMC.so.1.0.0

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monotonous:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9872 2006-09–09 01:30 /usr/lib/libXvMC.so.1.0.0

[16:11:13]

monotonous:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15116 2006-09–09 01:30 /usr/lib/libXvMCW.a

[16:11:15]

monotonous:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-05–11 17:20 /usr/lib/libXvMCW.so -> libXvMCW.so.1.0.0

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monotonous:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-05–11 17:20 /usr/lib/libXvMCW.so.1 -> libXvMCW.so.1.0.0

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monotonous:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14436 2006-09–09 01:30 /usr/lib/libXvMCW.so.1.0.0

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monotonous:

I think its ok :)

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Anduin:

a pastebin

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monotonous:

sry! :)

[16:13:43]

bluey-:

anyone knows an Playstation Emulator for x86_64?

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gbee:

you've got enable-xvmc-opengl (which is nvidia only) yet you are trying to use the X11 xvmc libs

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monotonous:

ok, opengl support is disabled during configure

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gbee:

and is your chipset really unichrome?

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monotonous:

yes, epia M10000

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monotonous:

but I'm compiling on another pc

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gbee:

siXy: annoyingly I can see nothing wrong with that, there is no reason it shouldn't work

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gbee:

well assuming that mythtv is managing to connect to lircd (but you'd see that error in the logs) and that your lircd.conf button definitions match those in the lircrc

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quicksilver:

which you can test by running irw

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quicksilver:

and pressing the buttons

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quicksilver:

incidentally, I see you have the MHEG buttons set up. Does MHEG actually work well then?

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gbee:

quicksilver: very well

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gbee:

has done, more or less, since it was added :)

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quicksilver:

gbee: since any particular version? or for ages?

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quicksilver:

I started on 0.18...

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gbee:

quicksilver: I can't really say – I've always run head so I've no real memory of which version supported what

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

I should assign some buttons to it

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gbee:

it was added for 0.19 or 0.20, obviously 0.20 would be the best version to try it with :)

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quicksilver:

but annoyingly on my remote those colour buttons are labelled 'My Movies', 'My TV' and so on

[16:20:58]

quicksilver:

so I've made them jump-points

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quicksilver:

which is very handy, and had an excellent WAF

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quicksilver:

so I'm a bit reluctant to switch them back to being colours :(

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gbee:

it needs to be enabled in the settings, it may not enabled or recorded by default (again it's been so long since I did a clean install of mythtv I can remember the defaults)

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gbee:

s/can/can't/

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gbee:

quicksilver: sounds like you need a new remote with more buttons :)

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** quicksilver nods **

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quicksilver:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Imon_pad.jpg

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quicksilver:

it's that one, more or less

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gbee:

the newer ones hauppauge are using have 'TV', 'Videos', 'Music', 'Pictures' etc across the top with the colour buttons at the bottom :)

[16:24:12]

siXy:

running mythfontend -v all > ~/log.myth gives me a nice big log file that does not mention lirc anywhere at all... could lirc possibly not be compiled into the suse myth packages?

[16:24:45]

gbee:

siXy: mythfrontend --version will tell you

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gbee:

but if it's complaining when the lircrc is missing, then it sounds like it is compiled in

[16:25:29]

siXy:

yeah it is compiled in. wierd

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Anduin:

siXy: irw and mythfrontend are using the same liblirc_client?

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gbee:

it might be a permissions problem although I'm pretty sure there is an error if it fails to connect – does /dev/lirc (or whatever the correct device name is) have global read permissions?

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siXy:

Anduin: how can I check that?

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Anduin:

siXy: ldd both and compare

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siXy:

gbee: did chmod 666 /dev/lircd and /dev/lirc earlier

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quicksilver:

IIRC, myth will complain at startup if it can't open /dev/lircd

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siXy:

hmm thats interesting, irw isnt using liblirc_client at all. just using linux-gate libc and /lib/ld-linux

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gbee:

Anduin: doesn't appear irw is built against liblirc

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Anduin:

gbee: You are right, I didn't actually check.

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beavis:

mythrename.pl just stops here if it finds an AVI, how can I tell mythrename to continue?

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overpointe:

directhex, on the next line it says: ::1 localhost6.localdomain6 localhost6

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overpointe:

gbee, I don't know which QT I'm running, as I'm still in GNOME.

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gbee:

qtconfig might help

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beavis:

does anyone use mythrename here?

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siXy:

ah fixed it :) there shouldnt be '' around the commands in lircd.conf

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siXy:

thanks for your help Anduin and gbee

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overpointe:

I don't have qtconfig, gbee.

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siXy:

although something i have found is that the suse build doesnt include the retro theme for some reason – but as this is part of the default themes package im finding it hard to locate a standalone copy of the theme

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gbee:

locate libqt

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gbee:

overpointe: the reason I'm asking about QT is that the error you are seeing is generated by the QT libs, it may have nothing to do with mythtv, but an underlying QT problem

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overpointe:

It looks like I have QT 3.3.7, gbee.

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overpointe:

QT can throw off my whole backend even if I'm in Gnome, gbee?

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gbee:

mythtv is built on QT

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overpointe:

Ohhhhhh, now I see.

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overpointe:

I'm running MythDora 4.0.

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gbee:

http://fauxzen.com/2007/03/28/mythtv-20-on-ubuntu-610/

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gbee:

overpointe: let me know if that helps

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gardengnome:

gbee: uh. rather ugly. the ubuntu guys came up with a fix that involved unsetting a few environment variabls, e.g. $HOME afaik

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overpointe:

The thing is, it was working before, gbee./

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overpointe:

Does it matter how I shut down my box, gbee?

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gbee:

overpointe: no idea, I've never actually seen the problem myself and barely understand the cause

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overpointe:

I

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overpointe:

I'm going to restart my box to see if that will fix anything.

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kemik:

MythTV requires an X Server, correct?

[17:08:06]

gbee:

correct

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directhex:

does it? doesn't qt's framebuffer mode work?

[17:09:43]

gardengnome:

you can use qt embedded and directfb.

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gardengnome:

if you can.

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antiPosix:

mythtv backend does not require an X server

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kemik:

well, this gonna be a back&frontend setup :)

[17:11:03]

antiPosix:

then, yes

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directhex:

antiPosix, no, but running mythtv-setup without one is a pain

[17:11:19]

kemik:

a p450 celeron.. primarily to watch DVD and, if it's up for it, divx :D

[17:11:21]

antiPosix:

directhex: just run a vncserver

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antiPosix:

and when its built tear it down and disgard the X11 libs and binaries

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antiPosix:

discard

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kemik:

ppl in here got experience of the Logitech Ultra Media Remote ?

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fryfrog:

or just not worry about it, extra X libs... OMG CRY SO MUCH USLESS!

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xris:

directhex: that's what ssh X forwarding is for. no need for vnc

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directhex:

fryfrog, zomg! but hard disks cost like five hundred pooooonds for 80 meg!

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antiPosix:

xris: good point, still need to have X libs though on the server

[17:14:13]

kemik:

space isnt an issue

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kemik:

computing power is

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xris:

antiPosix: still need the libs, yes. no way around that.

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xris:

need x libs for all kinds of things, depending on the distro/pkg deps, anyway

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directhex:

kick out the jams!

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jams:

directhex- what was that?

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directhex:

sorry. illuminatus! reference

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directhex:

and technically an album by MC5

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jams:

ok

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jams:

almost got yourself kicked ;)

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directhex:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kick_Out_the_Jams

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gbee:

looking to run a lightweight frontend or backend is fine, but worrying over things like X libs, the X server or a WM really is taking it much too far

[17:20:51]

gbee:

I half expect someone to come in here and ask "Why does mythtv require power, why can't it run on magic pixie dust"?

[17:22:22]

xris:

too many people used to Qt running gui apps

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gbee:

starting to doubt the reliability of the temperature sensor of the CPU in one backend – it's just jumped from 100 to 58

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directhex:

gbee, now temp sensors DO run on magic pixie dust

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gbee:

well, duh! how else would they work?

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gbee:

:p

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directhex:

badly!

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directhex:

AUX Temp: +118.5°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) ALARM

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directhex:

YOU LIE, lm-sensors. YOU LIE!

[17:29:46]

bonaugo:

what do u think about KnoppMyth?

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antiPosix:

Its alot like knoppix.....um.......with mythtv

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jams:

debian, not knoppix

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antiPosix:

knoppmyth is easy to install, well supported hardware list, it worked practically off of the CD for me

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MrWork:

lm-sensors isnt lieing, the hardware is lieing to lm-sensors, it's just passing on the lie

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gbee:

I had to increase the trip_points for that machine – for some reason it was installed with a default critical trip of 64C which is just a little low for an old Athlon TB 1.4Ghz

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bonaugo:

thnks

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directhex:

knoppix, not debian

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jams:

debian, not knoppix

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** MrWork has one of those chips gbee, but the past year it refuses to run any higher than 1.0 :( **

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gbee:

bonaugo: knoppmyth is a fine way to be introduced to mythtv and for most users it will never need to be replaced

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gbee:

directhex: it used to be based on knoppix, but was switched to debian

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bonaugo:

i'd like to install gentoo and then mythtv but i haven't so much time!

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directhex:

gbee, what a useful name, then. how does it differ from real debian, other than including debian-multimedia packages?

[17:34:29]

directhex:

bonaugo, why would you like to install gentoo? any specific reason?

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gbee:

directhex: you'd have to ask cecil that

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** directhex considers backporting a kernel driver **

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bonaugo:

directhex gentoo can be so optimezed 4 your processor... sometimes is better

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bonaugo:

but gentoo drive me crazy!

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gbee:

the version I was using until two days ago was mostly debian though, originally it was a Knoppmyth install but I'd updated all the packages and added/removed a few things

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directhex:

bonaugo, you don't run any applications that don't spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. and gcc is a bigger bottleneck than however many --fomit-stable-code -fomg-look-at-me-go you add to your cflags

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antiPosix:

--funroll-loops

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antiPosix:

you gotta love that one

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gbee:

isn't as fun as it sounds ;)

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fryfrog:

gentoo is awesome, but its not cause you can do --zomg-fast

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tzanger:

hahahahaha

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tzanger:

--zomg-fast :-)

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directhex:

fryfrog, --omg-ponies?

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gardengnome:

rofl

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fryfrog:

at first, i read that a little differently from what you wrote :)

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antiPosix:

--fruit-loops and --fruit-rollups were both taken, so gcc decided to call the CFLAG optimizer --funroll-loops

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gbee:

anyone running linux off a flash drive (not in memory)?

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sebrock:

I'm having a problem just getting a black picture in tv mode, mplayer works just fine :/

[17:41:06]

sebrock:

using HVR-1300

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fryfrog:

you are so racist :/

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bonaugo:

i am wondering if is possible to install KnoppMyth o a usb stick

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directhex:

bonaugo, technically. not fast though

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kemik:

puppylinux loads of a flash.. but goes memresident i guess

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bonaugo:

directhex not fast the boot u mean...

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kemik:

some flashmemory is fast though

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bonaugo:

stick is usb 2

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kemik:

and with usb 2.0 they should be fast

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kemik:

bonaugo: well, the flashmem itself has a 'speed' to read/write

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bonaugo:

1 giga stick it should be enough

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kemik:

a cheap usb stick probably wont be a top performer

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kemik:

bonaugo: size != speed

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bonaugo:

of course :)

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gordboy:

mythweb is ultra nice. it's one of the best DB front ends i've ever seen. marks out of 10, 11 !

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gbee:

the Crucial flash drives have a read speed of 25MB/s and a write speed of 13MB/s

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fryfrog:

*IMPOSSIBLE*!

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gbee:

gordboy: heh, don't inflate xris' ego

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cecil:

7 hrs 10 mins until IIIRC in #KnoppMyth, just us for a drink

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mkrufky:

i have to agree with gordboy

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gbee:

need some drink to do that ... guess I should pop out to the Off-Licence

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bonaugo:

it should be a miracle!!!

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juski:

IIIRC ?

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** bonaugo is away: brb **

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gbee:

juski: drink

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** juski isn't drinking tonight .. being a taxi :( **

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** stuarta beers gbee **

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gardengnome:

yes, the new mythweb is very nice. just installed trunk

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juski:

JD when I get home though :)

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stuarta:

juski: that your punishment?

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juski:

punishment for what?

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stuarta:

being a drunk last weekend? or you just take turns?

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juski:

oh and going into work tomorrow.. that'd be a punishment

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juski:

stuarta: take turns at being taxi

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juski:

I'm going out for a curry in a bit though.. another work leaving do

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stuarta:

the words "rats" and "sinking ship" come to mind

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juski:

or just 'dead', 'wood' & 'falling off the tree'..

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juski:

;)

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** stuarta is sipping on a nice JD **

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gbee:

7 hours? counting on my fingers, that means 2 a.m. ...

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stuarta:

what's the occasion anyway?

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gordboy:

juski, you came after me a few days ago and told me to persevere. well i did. i put feisty on. and now i have the whole mythtv shooting match. lirc, mythweb, mythvideo, radio times listings etc. all i need to do now, is take the knowledge i gained and apply it to fedora. ubuntu is easy to set up, but it is a toy system. thanks ! :)

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cecil:

new release

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gordboy:

juski++

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stuarta:

aaaah, cecil gives birth...

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stuarta:

;-)

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gbee:

now there's a mental image

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stuarta:

hrm...

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juski:

gordboy: nice one. thanks for getting back to me on that :)

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juski:

gordboy: I'm not the official PR guy by any stretch of the imagination but it boils my wee to hear people giving up because of bad howtos & stuff :)

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** gbee goes to double check the cupboards **

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gbee:

anything to avoid walking half a mile

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** stuarta insults gbee cupboards for not having enough booze **

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juski:

I wish we had a decent fscking taxi service in manchester or I'd be drinking big style tonight

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stuarta:

i/'s

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stuarta:

it's that kinda night isn't it? few drinks here and there.

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juski:

I need it. I'm going into work tomorrow. been a ***tish week

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juski:

ach well I can make up for it tomorrow night :)

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gordboy:

juski, the key to the whole thing is understanding how the bits interact. mysql*/mythbackend, users/groups, etc. all i really needed was a functional picture. i found this useful, as well as the standard ubuntu community – http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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juski:

gordboy: pity I couldn't get him onboard with the ubuntu mythtv team. such are my persuasive powers.. :)

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antiPosix:

juski: a fetish week? yikes..

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antiPosix:

juski: a british week, been watching the BBC?

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juski:

gordboy: the key to a lot of stuff in linux is making connections between different bits yourself. it's nice that you need a brain to operate linux successfully IMHO

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juski:

antiPosix: heh. 1st letter is 'c'

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bonaugo:

bye bye see ya

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juski:

talk about a statistic we really needed

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gbee:

juski: huh. Did he give a reason?

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antiPosix:

childish?

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juski:

he never really got it fully working apparently. Oh and livetv sucks

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gbee:

antiPosix: bingo ;)

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juski:

I agreed with him on the latter – it does suck – which is why I never use it :)

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stuarta:

who needs live tv anyway, that's what the tv is for

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juski:

saccerly

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juski:

if there's time to randomly surf channels, you're not having enough sex

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gbee:

juski: ah, well it's hard to for people used to vegetating on the sofa watching crap on LiveTV that they would be better off recording just the good stuff and doing something more productive with the time they would then have free

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gordboy:

on a side note. i thought television x was supposed to be non-free. i managed to get it ok, without any CAM stuff. not that i watch sub-porno channels, you understand. just research :)

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juski:

gordboy: you don't wanna watch that stuff. you'll not go blind. not even remotely

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stuarta:

hehe, well they do broadcast it in the clear

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gbee:

hmm s/to for people/to persuade people/

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stuarta:

just they hide the content behind some interactive crap

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juski:

but they have that nasty MHEG PINcode rubbish

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gordboy:

aaah

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gbee:

good job I don't have to do much typing, I'm apparently shit at it ;)

[18:07:30]

stuarta:

juski: well the trick is to disable the interactive tv stuff

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juski:

not quite what anybody would define as 'encripplement' – though I'd not like to see that tested against me in a court of law

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** juski scurries off to make a new recording profile **

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gbee:

heh, by the sound of it, even the old redhot protection was better

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stuarta:

juski: my "live tv" profile records everything, "default" only grabs tv streams

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stuarta:

gbee: it was the same

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stuarta:

they trialled it on redhot when tvx was actually encrypted

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stuarta:

yep, exactly how it worked (and tvx does now)

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stuarta:

it wasn't so much a hidden pid

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gbee:

ah right, well I assumed from what was being said that it was somehow different

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stuarta:

as a pid marked as "private" rather than "video" or "audio"

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gbee:

yeah

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juski:

gordboy: the only stuff worth watching is what you have to pay for, and there's no (legal) way to get it orf of Astra

[18:11:09]

juski:

stuarta: oh – mheg is always disabled on the playback side. I fscking hate the 'red button' shite

[18:11:24]

directhex:

stuarta, whatever happens, there's no point to british porn channels

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juski:

there's enough crap onscreen without that junk

[18:12:15]

stuarta:

gbee: disabling mheg does help, it no longer asks for a pin

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stuarta:

but you still need to record all the data & private stream

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stuarta:

and "forget" to decode them

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juski:

my feisty box has been up for a week.. and now it's not

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gordboy:

in the old days, you had silly analog "distortion" like removing sync pulses and moving the sound carrier. you could defeat that stuff with £5 worth of components

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** TSCHAKWerk hasn't been back to the UK in a few years, so he hasn't seen the MHEG stuff.... **

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stuarta:

now you just need to be a bit of a math wiz

[18:13:52]

juski:

TSCHAKWerk: http://www.juski.co.uk/mheg/

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antiPosix:

TSCHAKWerk: any relation to Teleschaks?

[18:14:18]

TSCHAKWerk:

antiPosix: no, it's a Kraftwerk reference.

[18:14:32]

antiPosix:

gotcha

[18:14:35]

directhex:

telepopmusic!

[18:14:42]

TSCHAKWerk:

Boing, Boom, Tschak

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gordboy:

i knew someone (ahem) who worked out how to defeat the pin/card on sky boxes by soldering extra two wires. one to defeat the microswitch for the card, and one to ground one of the pins on the logic board. the trouble is, such mods are legally "dubious"

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gbee:

juski: I occassionally find the BBCi feed useful for weather, but that's only when I can't be bothered to go to the computer and look at the BBC weather site :)

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juski:

gordboy: outright illegal, I'd say.. and def. off tpoic here as well as very OLD HAT

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directhex:

yeah, you're so 1999 gordboy

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directhex:

get with the times!

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gordboy:

sorry, i was daydreaming. d2mac, secam etc. aaah the good old days

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juski:

and wth is 'smile tv' which resumes at 1:00am ?!

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gordboy:

smile tv chan 37. no idea

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juski:

"SMILE TV is a brand new interactive TV channel which offers you the opportunity to participate in live game shows and other exciting new services. The headline show is Quizworld where you can play along to WIN thousands of pounds every night." :(

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stuarta:

sadly setanta tv is marked as FTA but broadcasts encrypted

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juski:

stuarta: sneaky

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gordboy:

party people sounds good

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juski:

that's a trick the sat & cable companies use.. you see every channel you can get in your EPG & you can't make em disappear

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juski:

gordboy: if your definition of 'party' is 'part(y)ing with your cash' :)

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juski:

clyde1 ?!?!?!?! wtfh?!

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juski:

local perochial radio?

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juski:

blech

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gordboy:

i know. glasgow is a dump. i live in edinburgh

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gordboy:

:)

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a5benwillis:

why does lirc have to be so hard on Ubuntu.......

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a5benwillis:

lirc_serial

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fryfrog:

i found it fairly easy

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fryfrog:

it was like 4 lines like "i-r lirc" and "m-a lirc" and some shit

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a5benwillis:

fryfrog: In ubuntu?

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a5benwillis:

edgy

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fryfrog:

edgy when i set it up, feisty in the last 2 or 3 days

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a5benwillis:

so you didnt download source or anything.. sounds like you did something similar to this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

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fryfrog:

humm, wtf

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fryfrog:

yeah, that is what i followed

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fryfrog:

not the lirc from source

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fryfrog:

why not move to feisty, btw?

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a5benwillis:

fryfrog: scared :D

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i was frightened too

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fryfrog:

so first, i did my laptop

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fryfrog:

went great!

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a5benwillis:

I know enough abt edgy to feel comfy

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fryfrog:

so then i did my other laptop

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fryfrog:

ZOMG zcore!

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gardengnome:

didn't go so great here

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fryfrog:

then i did my frontend

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fryfrog:

went awesome

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fryfrog:

*then* i did my server

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fryfrog:

it went teh bad :/

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fryfrog:

figures

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fryfrog:

:p

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a5benwillis:

if I could get a stable, working frontend in edgy I would try fiesty

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fryfrog:

but i moved to feisty before it was final, in fact i helped them discover a couple bugs in their kernel :/

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fryfrog:

a5benwillis: in feist, it'll probably work better

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fryfrog:

feisty that is

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a5benwillis:

hmm

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fryfrog:

i moved to it for the later/newer version of the firewire libs

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fryfrog:

i think it has made my fw cable boxes more stable

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a5benwillis:

may try that, I just found better support online for edgy as far as docs etc.

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fryfrog:

ah, thats true

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fryfrog:

but a lot of the docs apply to feisty

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fryfrog:

i mean, i guess it depends on how much hand holding you need

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fryfrog:

do you need exact, step by step instructions? or can you figure out where differences are, follow more general instructions, etc

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jimbalaya:

does mythweb allow music to be streamed through it?...

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fryfrog:

i don't think so, why don't you try something like jinzora which is *designed* for that

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jimbalaya:

i've seen it mentioned, and there's very little 'troubleshooting' here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb# . . . _via_Mythweb

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fryfrog:

i woudln't use mythmusic/mythweb to stream music

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fryfrog:

use something designed for it

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fryfrog:

jinzora is very hawt :)

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a5benwillis:

fryfrog: I dont need a lot of handholding

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jimbalaya:

i was using something else earlier ... a simple apache plugin that worked 'ok', but I'll check out this jinzora

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fryfrog:

it can resample on the fly, use "jukeboxes" (ie, mpd), stream like you expect, organized well, can even get tag and art

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a5benwillis:

fryfrog: except for maybe lirc. I've been working with it for 3 days now..

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fryfrog:

a5benwillis: then if you are starting from 0, might as well go with feisty :)

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fryfrog:

yeah, i hate lirc too but...

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fryfrog:

once you get the ubuntu parts setup, all you need to remember is ...

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fryfrog:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lir . . . 72448cad0328

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fryfrog:

god, thats an ugly link

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jimbalaya:

not nearly as 'hawt' as http://www.jinzora.org/

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jimbalaya:

;-)

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

i tried some of those other juekboxes

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jimbalaya:

i use debian, so i'm looking for one available through apt

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fryfrog:

the only thing i dislike about jinzora is it can be a bit slow, especially as you increase the librariy

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fryfrog:

grab source from jinzora.org, anything in apt will be oldish :(

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jimbalaya:

i've got a massive library, i think all streaming options are kludgy after a while...

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jimbalaya:

i think it was libapache2-mod-musicindex taht i used earlier

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fryfrog:

mine's big, but not massive. just 60G

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lucidblue:

hey guys, I think I've got a quick question... I've got my tv-out working as screen :0.1, gnome starts on it's own to this screen too.. would I have to get it to not happen in order to setup mythtv on that display? (just for playing video)

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fryfrog:

but it is *very* well organized

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jimbalaya:

nice

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jimbalaya:

mine is 183g, a straight list of artist-album

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fryfrog:

it says i have 275G

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fryfrog:

ah, mine is artist/album/

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jimbalaya:

i thought about that...

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fryfrog:

took 5 sec to generate the page with 275 main artists

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fryfrog:

sorry, i didn't mean 275G

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fryfrog:

i meant 275 artists :)

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fryfrog:

actually, its more like ./catagory/artist/album

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fryfrog:

but not really :/

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fryfrog:

i hate compilations and sound tracks cause they don't fit in well with the "artist/album/" layout

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fryfrog:

so i have like ./albums/artist/album and ./compilations/Name and ./soundtracks/Movie

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jammyd:

How do I go about debugging a situation whereby I can pull data from both of my DVB cards using 'dvbstream', but when recording in mythtv only one of the card ever generates any data

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jammyd:

I've run mythbackend in verbose mode, and it's not dumping anything interesting

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fryfrog:

do you maybe have both "encoders" pointed to the same dvb card?

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fryfrog:

ie, you forgot to change the "0" to "1" on the second one?

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jammyd:

where? in mythtv-setup?

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fryfrog:

yes sir

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jammyd:

let me double check

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jammyd:

Nope, looks OK to me

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fryfrog:

hummm :/

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jammyd:

This setup has worked previously, it stopped a little while back though and this is the first time I've had a chance to look into why

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jammyd:

I didn't knowingly change anything, but iirc, it was after a reboot when the 2nd card stopped working

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fryfrog:

i assume you've tried rebooting (or removing and re-inserting the modules)?

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fryfrog:

ah :/

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fryfrog:

and they both still work with dvbstream and such?

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fryfrog:

even simultaniously?

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jammyd:

I've reseated both PCI cards to be sure (but since I can pull data off both cards using dvbstream, I didn't really expect that to help)

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fryfrog:

does the myth log files provide any useful info?

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jammyd:

simultaniously is a good question – for some reason, even when using -o dvbstream tries to bind to a socket, as such, I can't run both at once

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jammyd:

separately, they both work fine though

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fryfrog:

humm

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goreguts:

is there a way to look at my tuner configuraion through the terminal, rather than mythtv-setup, or the frontend

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fryfrog:

you used me up :/

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jammyd:

stderr from mythbackend has nothing of interest – it makes it look like everything is fine

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fryfrog:

goreguts: mysql -u mythconverg -p mythconverg

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fryfrog:

and then use mysqlfu :)

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fryfrog:

jammyd: you could try turnning up the logging with "-v ... something" and looking there

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fryfrog:

ie, -v help will give youa ll the catagories

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fryfrog:

pick the likely ones

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goreguts:

hm ok ok

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jammyd:

yeah, I did -vall and search for errors, then trimmed it down to more specific things and didn't come up with any luck there either

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robbins876:

Last night I booted into windows to setup a remote control that just came in the mail, then i flip back over to linux and my sound has gone crazy...

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fryfrog:

humm :/

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robbins876:

For instance, mythtv isn't making an audio unless i turn the audio setting to /dev/dsp1, which i think is my onboard sound, instaed of my sound card

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robbins876:

also, i'm not getting any sound out of mplayer either

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robbins876:

anyone have ideas?

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jammyd:

sounds like a generic sound issue, rather than a mythtv issue

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robbins876:

jammyd: true, but you guys tend to be some of the smarter sets of people i know, so i figured i'd ask

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fryfrog:

robbins876: disable your onboard sound if you don't want to use it

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fryfrog:

in myth, use "ALSA:default" and "default" (as the mixer)

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robbins876:

fryfrog: how do i disable onboard?

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fryfrog:

usually in the bios

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robbins876:

oh, alright

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robbins876:

thanks

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jammyd:

hrm, someone must have already written an LD_PRELOAD library so that I can fudge the bind() syscall which dvbstream is doing – anyone know of one?

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GreyFoxx:

jammyd: What are you trying to accomplish ?

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jammyd:

dvbtream, despite claiming it won't send data out over the network when you specify -o, still binds to an interface

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jammyd:

this means you can't run two dvbstreams at once, which prevents me testing grabbing data from both cards at once (outside myth)

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

Well, if you have the source to dvbstream you could just alter it to bind to a commandline passed interface/port/ip/whatever rather than just 0.0.0.0

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GreyFoxx:

that should be fairly simple

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jammyd:

don't have it to hand

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jammyd:

probably an easier option though, you're right

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gardengnome:

download it?

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robbins876:

Alright, fryfrog: I turned off my onboard sound in bios and its' no longer being recognized in linux...hooray. but, wehn i just loaded x it said that it couldn't load the default sound device?

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GreyFoxx:

I had considered using dvbstream to stream several channels off a multiplex at once, see if I could use it with the iptv recorder to record multiple channels from the one source

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GreyFoxx:

but now that the work is going on with multi channel recording I'm just gonna wait for that

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jammyd:

what's RTP stand for?

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GreyFoxx:

realtime transport protocol

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fryfrog:

could you not just trick it?

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fryfrog:

make and eth0:1 and...

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fryfrog:

oh, 0.0.0.0 is everything, nm :/

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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robbins876:

fry: looks like everything is working great now, outside of that error when x loaded... oh well... thanks for the help man!

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe if I get some free time this afternoon I'll see if I can get it running that way

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** jammyd comments out half of dvbstream and recompiles **

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mkrufky:

GreyFoxx: were we talking about your a180 the other day?

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jammyd:

MWHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

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GreyFoxx:

Yes and my weird i2c errors

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mkrufky:

did you try the linuxtv.org v4l-dvb tree yet?

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GreyFoxx:

nope, but I've slated tomorrow night for it

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GreyFoxx:

I have a bunch of updates to do

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mkrufky:

ok... just keep in mind that a kernel update will override the v4l-dvb

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: I'll update the kernel first, then grab the v4l; tree

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mkrufky:

hopefully the errors wont show anymore after updating the v4l-dvb drivers

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jammyd:

using my hacked dvbstream I can certainly grab data from both cards at once, so it's currently looking more and more like a mythtv issue

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mkrufky:

great... thanks GreyFoxx ... please let me know what happens

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mkrufky:

my email is my irc nick at linuxtv dot org

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GreyFoxx:

ok, thanks *notes that*

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mkrufky:

:-)

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jammyd:

ok, so regardless of BER etc... I can view both streams fine, for some reason, myth just isn't taking the data off the 2nd card.

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robbins876:

Anyone familiar with mplayer much?

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** jammyd decides to blat his card configuration, how much worse can things get :) **

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chadmaynard:

When i choose "watch tv" in the frontend it goes to a blank screen for three seconds and then back to the menu. What's this about?

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pyrotech:

does anyone have any suggestions on getting your cable company to enable the firewire port on the cable box?

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gardengnome:

it's the law. just threaten them a bit. (assuming you're located in the US)

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chadmaynard:

In status i also see "no guide data" , have you run mythfilldatabase? is it running now?

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pyrotech:

yes I am in the US so I can threaten them, does anyone have a link to the fcc mandate?

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** j-rod shoots stupid toshiba laptop **

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lmnop__:

can someone recomment a good, easy to install DVB-S card with CA module support?

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a5benwillis:

gardengnome: Its the LAW? Thats good news to me, I've never heardthat before.

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gardengnome:

a5benwillis: it's a FCC regulation AFAIK

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a5benwillis:

interesting.

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j-rod:

yes, its an fcc regulation

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a5benwillis:

our cable companydisables ALL expansion ports. USB and Firewire

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j-rod:

I swear its linked to somewhere in the docs or the wiki

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j-rod:

bitch-slap them

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gardengnome:

i'd have no mercy

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pyrotech:

so where do I find the fcc regulation? I need the evidence when I call and give them the smack-down

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j-rod:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#FCC_regulations

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pyrotech:

is the firewire port also supposed to work for network HD?

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j-rod:

supposed to work for at least the same stuff you would be able to get over the air

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j-rod:

so yes, abc, nbc, cbs, fox, etc., should all be in the clear off the firewire port

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pyrotech:

cool, Im ready to pwn them

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** j-rod makes note to self never to buy a toshiba laptop... **

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** jammyd grumbles, i've cleared and re-added the cards and it still doesn't work **

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chadmaynard:

my mythtv is creating .mpg files but they are empty (0 KB)...

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gordboy:

anyone know if it's possible to get more than one stream from the same multiplex in dvb-t ?

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jammyd:

gordboy: yep

[19:48:27]

gardengnome:

gordboy: it's being worked on

[19:48:31]

jammyd:

cadmaynard: Sounds like a problem with your reception

[19:48:32]

mkrufky:

huh? ieee1394 is required to work on cableboxes by law?!?!?

[19:48:48]

** mkrufky makes a mental note **

[19:48:52]

pyrotech:

if you ask for it, they must provide a firewire enabled box

[19:49:05]

mkrufky:

i have firewire on my box, and it didnt work last time i tried

[19:49:14]

mkrufky:

looks like i should try again

[19:49:17]

stuarta:

however what you can get non-5c'd out the back is often limited

[19:49:48]

gordboy:

jammyd, gardengnome : cool. it would be good to have preview PIP for all the bbc group, say. or record one (or many), watch another (or many)

[19:50:31]

pyrotech:

so what SD channels are you supposed to get out of the firewire?

[19:50:48]

jammyd:

gordboy: yeah, support is being worked on for mythtv, but it's always been available at a low level

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gordboy:

jammyd, yeah. another level or two of abstraction should sort that out. but it is a complex task, to amend source code, even for comparatively simple things

[19:52:43]

stuarta:

pyrotech: it totally depends on where you are and who you are with.

[19:52:57]

stuarta:

some ppl get almost everything, some get bugger all

[19:54:21]

j-rod:

yah, a few people report getting even HBO in HD out firewire, I could never get anything but the OTA stuff

[19:54:53]

j-rod:

now I'm trying to remember if I've even bothered trying to get anything out of my cable box since moving...

[19:55:37]

mkrufky:

what's a good way to test the fireware output?

[19:55:49]

mkrufky:

i guess im a newbie to that idea....

[19:56:20]

j-rod:

mkrufky: get libiec61883 onto the system, along with the associated utils

[19:56:30]

mkrufky:

...and assuming it works, i should expect an mpeg ps ?

[19:56:40]

pyrotech:

as long as I can get network hd through teh firewire, its great

[19:56:56]

mkrufky:

ok, i'll have to look into that

[19:57:59]

j-rod:

then there's a test-mpg2 utility that can dump the ps off the box onto disk

[19:58:55]

j-rod:

test-mpeg2, that is

[19:58:59]

mkrufky:

ah, so it's not like whatever is showing on the tv screen will also be streamed out of the firewire?

[19:59:11]

j-rod:

not necessarily

[19:59:16]

mkrufky:

i have to actually issue a command to tell the box to give it to me?

[19:59:31]

j-rod:

tune the cable box to something you can also get ota, like wnbc

[19:59:36]

j-rod:

er, wnbc-dt

[20:00:01]

mkrufky:

WNBC_HD is nicer looking ;-)

[20:00:13]

j-rod:

the stuff *might* be getting broadcast out the firewire bort, not sure...

[20:00:22]

j-rod:

but yeah, test-mpeg2 will actually scribble stuff to disk

[20:00:32]

mkrufky:

ok, cool... 'll try it

[20:00:41]

j-rod:

there's a snippet on my web page on all that too

[20:01:06]

** mkrufky checks **

[20:01:20]

j-rod:

most of the digital versions up here are <callsign>-DT up here

[20:01:54]

** j-rod wonders if libiec61883 actually builds w/the new firewire stack in F7... **

[20:02:51]

mkrufky:

ah, ok i see all the info in myth(tv)ology ... thanx

[20:02:58]

j-rod:

np

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mkrufky:

some channels are <callsign>_DT , others are <callsign>_HD ... seems no rhyme or reason

[20:03:35]

j-rod:

then there's the brilliant fox folks up here

[20:03:51]

j-rod:

its 'FOX Fiber Feed', which gets truncated to FOX Fi

[20:03:55]

j-rod:

or soemthing like that

[20:04:26]

mkrufky:

i have 3 different fox channels, all with the same ocntent

[20:04:34]

mkrufky:

MyFox5 , WNYW_DT, and WNYW

[20:04:38]

j-rod:

ah, yeah, WFXT Fiber Feed, truncated to WFXT Fi

[20:04:49]

j-rod:

heh

[20:05:05]

j-rod:

I have two ABC stations, no triplicates though

[20:05:11]

mkrufky:

oh, btw.....

[20:05:23]

** j-rod waits for it... **

[20:05:25]

mkrufky:

for OTA, i already told you i get 17 in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn

[20:05:32]

j-rod:

yep

[20:05:34]

mkrufky:

I tested in Bayside, Queens, also approx 17

[20:05:44]

mkrufky:

i didnt go to Williamsburgh yet

[20:05:44]

gordboy:

doctor who on bbc 3 widescreen. i *love* mythtv

[20:05:54]

j-rod:

I suspect I just need to drive down to Brooklyn and slap my brother around. :)

[20:06:03]

mkrufky:

ah, its your brother

[20:06:16]

stuarta:

gordboy: it's widescreen on bbc1 anyway...

[20:06:17]

mkrufky:

yeah... slap him around... that should fix his tv :-P

[20:06:42]

j-rod:

we're going to revisit it this weekend

[20:06:54]

mkrufky:

A friend of mine that lives in the Bronx says he can only pick up 7 channels

[20:07:08]

j-rod:

but I *am* working on trying to get down there, maybe for memorial day weekend

[20:07:38]

Bigcheese:

Anyone here have any experiance with DirectTV and MythTV? (more spesificly the HR20–700 DVR box) Or capturing HDMI output...

[20:07:41]

mkrufky:

its justa 2 hour drive or so, right?

[20:07:52]

j-rod:

closer to 3 for me, I think

[20:07:56]

mkrufky:

ah, ok

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j-rod:

I'm about 30–35 miles north of boston

[20:08:23]

mkrufky:

ah, yeah... maybe even 3:30 then ... ouch

[20:09:05]

mkrufky:

take friday off — leave thursday night and beat the rush :-)

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[20:09:39]

j-rod:

google maps says 223 miles, 4hr trip

[20:09:45]

mkrufky:

damn

[20:10:10]

j-rod:

of course, I presume that would be if you were actually going the speed limit

[20:12:02]

mkrufky:

so, if you go 75mph, thats only a 3 hr trip ;-)

[20:12:05]

pyrotech:

haha I have to speak to a supervisor now to get the box, jeez

[20:12:30]

j-rod:

and closer to my usual rate of travel, 2:30...

[20:12:35]

mkrufky:

lol

[20:12:44]

j-rod:

speed limits around boston are a joke

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j-rod:

55mph most places, traffic cruising at 80

[20:13:02]

mkrufky:

the cops dont laugh in new york :-/

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j-rod:

I hear they like to mess w/people from MA too, because MA doesn't require you to carry proof of insurance in the car

[20:14:40]

mkrufky:

what if you get into an accident, and the other guy doesnt have his insurance on him?

[20:15:00]

j-rod:

heh, good question...

[20:19:51]

gordboy:

stuarta, yeah i know. listen, last week i had zip. today i have the whole shooting match. don't worry, i'll become an old cynic in a day or two ...

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j-rod:

Bigcheese: you're not going to capture any hdmi output anytime soon

[20:26:57]

j-rod:

outside of that, I know squat about directv, other than basically the best you can hope for is svideo output to a capture card to use it w/mythtv

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Bigcheese:

j-rod: ye, so far the HDMI capture card is windows only :(

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knuttesvin:

hi all

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j-rod:

the only one I'm aware of also doesn't support capturing encrypted content

[20:33:04]

Bigcheese:

fricking dmca... I just wan't to use the fricken content I pay for in the way I want :P

[20:33:10]

knuttesvin:

anyone having problem compiling mytharchivehelper with latest svn?

[20:33:38]

stuarta:

nope. did you install latest mythtv first?

[20:33:48]

knuttesvin:

yeah

[20:34:09]

knuttesvin:

I have always had trouble compiling mytharchive

[20:34:19]

knuttesvin:

i think its related to qt

[20:34:38]

knuttesvin:

archiveutil.o: In function `getProgramInfoForFile(QString const&)':

[20:34:39]

knuttesvin:

archiveutil.cpp:(.text+0x1d05): undefined reference to `ProgramInfo::GetPlaybackURL(bool, bool)'

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knuttesvin:

cant compile mythbrowser either but that is because the confiure script sets my kde path /usr/kde/3.3 but i got kde 3.5. That i can fix by changing settings.pro to use kde 3.5 but it will still fail after some time.

[20:43:05]

jammyd:

knuttesvin: grep your source tree for GetPlaybackURL ?

[20:43:35]

stuarta:

it's not the kde. i've 3.5.5 install

[20:43:38]

stuarta:

ed

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knuttesvin:

how do i grep a catalog recursevly? grep -r GetPlaybackURL?

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knuttesvin:

hmm looks like mythbrowser compiles after I upgraded qt from 3.3.4 to 3.3.8.

[20:48:11]

knuttesvin:

but mytharchive still fails

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knuttesvin:

jammyd: how do i grep my source tree for GetPlaybackURL?

[20:51:25]

brockoli:

rded' table as well.

[20:51:27]

stuarta:

what qt version you have installed?

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gardengnome:

brockoli: #mythtv-users

[20:51:51]

stuarta:

gardengnome: this is!

[20:51:57]

brockoli:

isn't this mythtv-users?

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stuarta:

!trout gardengnome wrong channel

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** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a wrong channel trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[20:53:32]

gardengnome:

um

[20:53:49]

gardengnome:

i'll stfu now

[20:57:11]

brockoli:

Maybe a better question would be. How does mythfrontend populate it's "watch recorded" list? I assume it gets it from the 'recorded' table in your sql db.

[20:58:57]

gardengnome:

brockoli: that's a FAQ afaik, see the wiki

[20:59:20]

stuarta:

brockoli: yes.

[21:00:29]

brockoli:

Ok, gardengnome, that's not that helpful. I'm seeing a bug and I'm trying to work throught he logic on why it's occuring.

[21:00:41]

stuarta:

what are you seeing?

[21:01:01]

** stuarta thinks gardengnome is past his bedtime **

[21:01:08]

stuarta:

:-P

[21:01:40]

brockoli:

A show is recording fine. The recording has an entry my sql db. It appears fine if I view recorded program list in mythweb. However, it is missing if I view recorded list in mythfrontend.

[21:01:48]

brockoli:

But all my other recordings show up there fine.

[21:01:57]

stuarta:

press 'm'

[21:02:32]

brockoli:

stuarta you rock.

[21:02:37]

stuarta:

:)

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hads:

So it was a FAQ :)

[21:03:27]

brockoli:

did I somehow change it at some point to not show 'all programs'? Or does it default to something other than 'all programs'

[21:03:54]

brockoli:

hads: I'm hanging my head in shame.

[21:04:25]

hads:

Now apologise to gardengnome :)

[21:04:28]

brockoli:

gardengnome: I'm sorry. You were right. I think you understood my question better than I did. lol

[21:04:42]

gardengnome:

well

[21:04:50]

gardengnome:

i'm past bed time ahnyways :)

[21:04:55]

hads:

:)

[21:05:07]

hads:

I just got up. Saturday here.

[21:05:26]

brockoli:

I have one more since I'm here. ;) Anyone using an mceusb2 remote?

[21:05:34]

gardengnome:

55 minutes left till sunday

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hads:

gardengnome: I doubt that. Saturday?

[21:06:04]

gardengnome:

err

[21:06:08]

gardengnome:

yes, saturday

[21:06:16]

gardengnome:

2 minutes left till beer.

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hads:

brockoli: Yes, I do

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hads:

It should do, mine does.

[21:07:07]

brockoli:

assing=assigning! ;)

[21:08:07]

brockoli:

begin

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brockoli:

prog = mythtv

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brockoli:

button = info

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brockoli:

config = I

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hads:

Stop now

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brockoli:

end

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brockoli:

That's what I have for info

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gardengnome:

what does irw tell you when you press the info button?

[21:10:42]

brockoli:

More

[21:11:10]

brockoli:

Should the output from irw match the 'button =" line in my lircrc for each button?

[21:11:26]

knuttesvin:

jammyd: what am i looking for?

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brockoli:

Ok, the answer to my question is yes. ;)

[21:12:38]

brockoli:

Ok, enough with the newb q's. Thanks for the help guys.

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knuttesvin:

Anyone else have an idea why mytharchive fails to compile on my comp?

[21:32:31]

knuttesvin:

de -o main.o main.cpp

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knuttesvin:

rm -f libmytharchive.so

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knuttesvin:

g++ -shared -o libmytharchive.so main.o archivesettings.o logviewer.o fileselector.o recordingselector.o videoselector.o dbcheck.o archiveutil.o mythburnwizard.o editmetadata.o thumbfinder.o exportnativewizard.o importnativewizard.o moc_logviewer.o moc_fileselector.o moc_recordingselector.o moc_videoselector.o moc_mythburnwizard.o moc_editmetadata.o moc_thumbfinder.o moc_exportnativewizard.o moc_importnativewi

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mkrufky:

l8r

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frode_:

Any one up for the task of helping me with a Haupauge wintv-hvr 1100?

[22:04:30]

gbee:

frode_: might help if you explain what you need help with exactly, what you've already done etc

[22:05:10]

frode_:

gbee: I have innstalled the module SAA7133

[22:06:01]

frode_:

and I have tryed setting it up with a kernal upgrade 2.6.18

[22:06:27]

frode_:

And using mythtv and tvtime

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frode_:

and various other programs

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frode_:

and v4l-config

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frode_:

Thats pretty much it

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gbee:

have you followed the following guide? http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/HVR-1110

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frode_:

gbee: do I need 2.6.20?

[22:13:00]

gbee:

frode_: using the latest kernel always helps with these cards, but the docs suggest the card works with 2.6.18 onwards

[22:13:11]

frode_:

ok

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frode_:

hmm

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gbee:

if you can follow that guide through then you should be halfway there

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frode_:

gbee: do I now got the 2.6.18 kernel

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Phab:

im having a hard time using composite input, can someone help?

[22:59:08]

Phab:

the problem is that i keep falling back to tunner 1 when i select watch tv option

[23:00:31]

xris:

Phab: do you have anything on tuner1?

[23:01:45]

Phab:

xris, nothing at the moment. just the component video plugs

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Phab:

im trying to copy video from a game console

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xris:

then delete the configuration for tuner1 (disassociate it from an input source aka channel listings)

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xris:

you won't be able to play games that way over mythtv, though. too much delay

[23:03:50]

Aquahallic:

evenin' folks

[23:04:28]

Aquahallic:

anyone had success with setting up mythweb using apache2 and php5??

[23:05:20]

xris:

yup

[23:05:25]

xris:

(but I don't count)

[23:05:30]

Aquahallic:

lol

[23:05:36]

Aquahallic:

this thing's givin' me a FIT

[23:05:43]

xris:

php 5.what?

[23:05:53]

xris:

there are known issues with some distributions of 5.2

[23:06:50]

Aquahallic:

5.2.2-r1

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Phab:

i dont have a tuner config

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Phab:

wth

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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Aquahallic:

hmmm

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** xris curses control-w working in bash but closing windows in gaim. **

[23:07:48]

Aquahallic:

should I remove php 5 and use an older?

[23:07:58]

xris:

Aquahallic: your options are to downgrade php or upgrade myth to svn

[23:08:16]

Aquahallic:

upgrade myth to svn?

[23:08:30]

xris:

or hack in the object-destructor patches to mythweb's database stuff that were added in svn

[23:08:36]

xris:

svn trunk

[23:08:40]

xris:

(development version)

[23:08:53]

gordboy:

how to sync audio and video on live tv after a channel change ?

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Aquahallic:

is there an ebuild for that in gentoo?

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xris:

yes

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Phab:

i do have 5 items in my input connections but those are automatically added when i add my capture card

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xris:

Cardoe maintains a (semi?) official one, as does kormoc.

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Phab:

and in capture card i have it set to mpeg and to component 1

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xris:

Phab: inside of the configuration for that, there's a place to attach the input connection to an input source..

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Phab:

i have that set to component 1

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xris:

Phab: sounds like you also have something for tuner1, otherwise mythtv would ignore it.

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xris:

Aquahallic: personally, I'd recommend kormoc's, but I have to say that because he's a good friend. unfortunately, he's at a conference today/tomorrow and won't be around much if at all.

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xris:

cardoe's should be in portage somewhere, though.

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Aquahallic:

xris upgrade mythtv or just mythweb?

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xris:

have to do both

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Aquahallic:

oh boy

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** Aquahallic thinks older version of php is the way to go **

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Aquahallic:

what version is stable with mythweb?

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xris:

or you could wait a few days for me to backport the fixes... I've had enough bug reports recently that I should probably put them into the stable fixes branch.

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Cardoe:

xris: hmm?

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Cardoe:

oh

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xris:

Cardoe: Aquahallic is looking for an svn ebuild

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Aquahallic:

mythweb givin' me a FIT with php5

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Aquahallic:

:/

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Cardoe:

yeah there's one in Portage.. just change the pre##### to the revision you'd like and emerge that.

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Phab:

is there a way to cycle through input sources from within mythv-client

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Cardoe:

Aquahallic:

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Cardoe:

Aquahallic: kormoc also maintains a couple.

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Phab:

frontend*

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Cardoe:

when kormoc gets around to it we were gonna merge them together..

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Cardoe:

Aquahallic: kormoc's are fairly tested by him.

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Phab:

would tv format still be ntsc if its coming from a game console?

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Cardoe:

xris: I don't see why he would have the issues

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Cardoe:

I use the same versions of everything as him and it works fine

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xris:

Cardoe: you're running svn, right?

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xris:

Aquahallic is running stable.

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xzcvczx:

anyone using mythTV on OSX?

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Cardoe:

xris: I'm running 0.20.1 + 0.20-fixes right now

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Cardoe:

my HD died on the svn box

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juski:

booyakasha!

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juski:

oh jees how many more of these "hey wtf has happened to all my recordings I just made" questions are we gonna see? bah

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cecil:

an hour and 15 mins until IIIRC in #knoppmyth, join us for a drink

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juski:

cecil: I'd glady do so if I wasn't still on call for being the juskiwife-taxi tonight

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xris:

Cardoe: we don't know why some people get that PHP error and others don't. the "feature" referenced on the php website says that it was added in 5.0.4 or something like that, but it's clearly tied to some other setting.

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juski:

ach to hell with changing the licence my themes are under. nobody's ever gonna seriously ask for the source images. and what can they do anyway? sue me?

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xris:

juski: changing license to what?

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xris:

from what?

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juski:

xris: GPL 2.0 to er.. something else as yet unknown. it's too damn hard to pick a licence

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juski:

thinking along the lines of CC...

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juski:

attribution, no derivs.. not sure though

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xris:

juski: what about getting your themes integrated with mythtv?

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xris:

(or at least bloo.... :)

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juski:

heh I guess the licence would have to be compatible for that to happen

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juski:

I definitely don't object to any of my themes going into mythtv – you already know that

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juski:

well I've said it already & I thought it was clear anyway :0

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juski:

:) I mean

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juski:

I'm just not sure if I'd be 100% ok with being bound to give someone all the source images for my themes – they're very big & wouldn't be easy to deliver electronically.. so I wanna sneak out of that part ;)

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juski:

or would I be able to say – the images are binary, & TOUGH.. there's no source

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juski:

there should be some kind of licence chooser wizard thingy somewhere

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a5benwillis:

anyone know if lirc should "generate the carrier signal with software" with a homebrew serial receiver.

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juski:

a5benwillis: nope

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juski:

that's for serial IR blasters

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a5benwillis:

k tx

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a5benwillis:

still trying to get lirc working....

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