Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, May 10th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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riddlebox:

hrmm

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stonith:

mcquaid: it might do that if there is a conflict with another recording at that time? maybe setting a priority for tonights show will help.

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hadees:

is there anyway to have mythtv automatically change the aspect ratio based on the content? Like when I am watching something on STD discovery channel they sometimes show it in wide screen, it would be nice if MythTV could detect that and switch the aspect ratio to zoom in and get rid of the black frame that goes all the way around the picture on my HDTV

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riddlebox:

Agrajag-, the way to compile it is ./configure qmake mythtv.pro make install right?

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hound:

hadees, not that I've seen anywhere. It would have to detect the black boundery automatically as the resolution would be the same as any other show from that station.

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hadees:

hound, well they do it with commercial detecting

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hadees:

it was a long shot that it was already done

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hound:

yup, have seen that. definitely should be possible. I have kinda the opposite problem where I'm on a square TV and when I watch HDTV content that isn't wide screen I get a nice thick black border around the whole show.

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stonith:

wondering if anyone performed a yum update on the aptrpm repository and broke their mythtv... i'm kind of scared of upgrading the packages on my box hehe

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Anduin:

stonith: So a single person who had a bad experience will be enough to discourage your further?

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stonith:

anduin: of course... imagine updating your box, and everything just breaks, i've seen it happen before because of a deprecated command that doesn't start a service right for example.

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stonith:

my box at home is important to me, but its priority #2, after my job.

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tank-man:

dont do a blind update than, just update security fixes

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jimbalaya:

what do you all see for load average while watching tv?

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a5benwillis:

.02%?

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kash:

33.2

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kash:

(software encoding)

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jimbalaya:

i'm confused, because i'm testing with two computers and the athlon 1800+ sees it hit about 1 or 2 .... but this 2400+ is seeing 3 or 4

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jimbalaya:

and i'm doing HW encoding

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kash:

what gfx card

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jimbalaya:

g550 ... haven't fiddled with xorg.conf though

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jimbalaya:

sorry

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kash:

that's probably why

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** kash afk, watching recordings and sleeping **

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jimbalaya:

the 1800+ is using some random 'ooh, a graphics card' card and the 2400+ is using the g550

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a5benwillis:

kash: Where do you get that number from exactly? I want to compare.

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mcquaid:

if something uses mythnotify, is it up to the program how long it stays on screen, or does mythnotify have a default value that can be adjusted

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Dagmar:

a5benwillis: Top should show it. He's talking about the usual system load figure

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: IT's up to the frontend

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GreyFoxx:

it's a configurable value in the frontend

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Dagmar:

a5benwillis: What it amounts to is how much cpuwait is going on

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Dagmar:

(That is the "simplified to avoid melting brains" version)

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mcquaid:

oh i see, so that will affect all osd displays

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mcquaid:

cause i'm happy with the defaults now for most stuff, but i just tried a caller id program that uses mythnotify and found it displayed for too short a time

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jimbalaya:

nice, kash was right ... i wasn't using the proper driver for my vidcard, which *spiked* my cpu usage

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jimbalaya:

...kinda neat...

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mcquaid:

but i guess i'll bump up the front end option and live with other displays staying longer

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jimbalaya:

cool, now this system (2400+) uses about .4 or .5 while the other system (1800+) used about 1 or 2

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LennonNZ:

tinfoil :-)

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kash:

a5benwillis: uptime

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Zider:

uff.. finnaly done backing up my CDs.. damn it's tedious work..

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Tanthrix:

Try converting 80 hours of home movies to dvd – now that's tedious.

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Zider:

Tanthrix: divided into chapters?

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Tanthrix:

Actually, in the interest of saving time, I just converted one tape to one dvd with automatic 10 minute chapters and no menus

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Tanthrix:

With about 44 tapes total I really didn't feel like going through each one and putting chapter markers at scene changes and such.

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Zider:

heh

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Zider:

I have a wardrobe full of 8mm films to convert to DVD using a DV cam.. :P

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Zider:

haven't done much yet ;)

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Tanthrix:

Now that's a lot more difficult than going from Video8 -> DVD

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Tanthrix:

Worth doing though before it all degrades

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Zider:

haven't really found a good environment to do it in

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Zider:

I'll probably let some pro do it with special equipment instead

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Tanthrix:

From what I gather that's probably a better way to go if you can afford it

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Zider:

well, the most valuable parts might be worth it

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Dagmar:

...and with any luck, he'll keep his mouth shut about what he's seen.

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Zider:

haha

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Zider:

it's nothing like that :)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Oh, so already got the section of swamp to use all picked out then.

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Dagmar:

That's good. Planning is FTW

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Zider:

swamp..?

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Zider:

are you on something?

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Tanthrix:

Zider: You obviously aren't versed in the field of body dumping, so you definately shouldn't be getting a pro to convert your videos...

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Zider:

haha

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Zider:

it's family videos, mostly of me as a kid.. :)

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Zider:

and some vacation videos

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Zider:

(and no, not porn)

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Tanthrix:

Same with me, and luckily being the convertor, I was able to edit out certain embarressing clips that need not be saved

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Tanthrix:

My mom was of the "anything they do at all is utterly cute" mindset, so that never ends well

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Zider:

well, I'd get it converted to DV, and then edit and burn on DVD myself..

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Zider:

hm, it's getting late here.. perhaps the bed should be the next target..

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Zider:

I wonder when we can see photoshop for linux :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

OT: Is there an irc client that recovers from network hiccups better than KSirc? Any little blip gets me in an infinite 'Pick a Nick' dialog box mode... (Until it times out, or i pic a different, temp nic)

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t0ny-p40:

What is required for eit?

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Zider:

isn't anything better than KSirc? ;)

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Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm not any kind of developer.. :)

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Zider:

J-e-f-f-A: xchat is nice for GUI and irssi is nice in general (terminal client)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Zider: Does it recover from 'net' hits more gracefully?

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Zider:

yeah, at least irssi.. haven't used xchat much but I hardly think it's as bad as ksirc

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MaverickTech:

I have used x-chat for a few years now, wouldn't use another

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cal:

installed mythtv.. but screen goes blank when going into X.. how do i have it start at a lower resolution?

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LennonNZ:

try CRTL – to reduce the screen size and if work then edit your X config file

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xris:

cal: what are you doing to start X?

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cal:

xris: just let it boot. i assume its going into X when i lose the screen.

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xris:

cal: did it work before you installed mythtv?

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cal:

could i see the screen on the livecd install? yeah.. i am using knoppmyth

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xris:

cal: sorry, I don't know anything about knopmyth, and cesman (its author) doesn't appear to be around at the moment.

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xris:

cal: you don't get any kind of interface at all? machine just boots to a black screen?

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flynch:

Hi Folks, I was trying to grow my JFS LVM2 partition, but something went badly wrong and now I'm left with a series of files with cryptic names like I327795.RCN beneath lost+found.... is there any way that I can recover my data... or am I hosed?

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Dagmar:

Wow you['re hosed

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flynch:

oh man that really blows....

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flynch:

whats the point of lost+found... if I can't recover anything from it?

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Dagmar:

It's not great.

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Dagmar:

IF you get lucky you'll have entirely intact files in there, but god only knows what their original filenames were

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flynch:

yeah if I run the file command on some of the files it gives somewhat useful info... on others it just says data

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flynch:

eg: [myth@MythTV lost+found]$ file I405710.RCN

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flynch:

I wonder if there are any scripts or tools that can be had to help recover from this situation?

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morphiu1:

I am having trouble with my sound. If I use the line out on the TV tuner card, my audio is ahead of the video. When I try looping the audio through into my motherboard's soundcards line in, I get no sound at all. I know the card is working and configured properly, because it works in KDE. Any troubleshooting tips?

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morphiu1:

I have a bt878 tuner.

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Dagmar:

Kitten killer

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Dagmar:

The audio is *supposed* to be fed to the sound card

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Dagmar:

The audio is *supposed* to be fed to the sound card's line input.

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Dagmar:

THe docs explain what to do from there

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morphiu1:

Right, feed to the soundcard's input. I have heard of these fabled docs. I'm told they are on the wiki, but I cannot seem to locate. The wiki is kind of disorganized. Do you happen to know where I can find fabled docs?

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Dagmar:

I'm not clicking hte mouse for you

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xris:

interesting. looks like maybe the cable box DOES decrypt some channels before sending out over firewire

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mIRCat:

clicking the wiimote maybe?

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xris:

wtf. slave backend seems to be running, but won't be connected to

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xris:

ahh, seems ok now. odd, though

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mikeones:

hello

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

help, trying to use mytharchive

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Ediehow:

Encoding Details Page 1

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Ediehow:

**ERROR: [mpeg2enc] mpeg2enc is currently broken. If you really want to use it delete this line and recompile

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xris:

Ediehow: ouch

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xris:

svn?

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Ediehow:

Name : mjpegtools

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Ediehow:

Version : 1.9.1

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xris:

huh?

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xris:

that's not mythtv

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Ediehow:

how do i get myth to use ffmpeg or something else?

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Ediehow:

so i can finish using mytharchive?

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cal:

how do i get into setup again, to set up tuner cards, after i exited it?

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xris:

are you using svn or .20 or .20-fixes?

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xris:

cal: mythtv-setup

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cal:

xris: is there a way to get an xterm on top of the interface, to do that command? =)

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Ediehow:

xris: did you ask me that question?

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xris:

Ediehow: yes

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xris:

cal: huh? exit out of the frontend or whatever first

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cal:

there is an exit on the menu? i only saw reboot

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chadmaynard:

cal: press escape repeatedly

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Ediehow:

mythtv-0.20.1–156.fc6.at

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cal:

also for some reason it says my mythbackend isnt running, so gotta check the log i guess

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cal:

chad: thanks

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xris:

cal: you don't want the backend to be running if you're running mythtv-setup

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** xris grumbles about qam channel scanning **

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cal:

xris: okay.

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cal:

xris: kill -9 <backendprocess> ?

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chadmaynard:

mythbackend probably died due to the error you posted ^. just a thought

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xris:

cal: shouldn't need -9

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cal:

first i have to figure out why it isnt starting in the first place.. this is a default knoppmyth install.. so kinda odd.

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Tanthrix:

Speaking of kill -9, is there anything above that which can kill programs that have hung due to hard disconnected smb mounts?

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Dagmar:

-15

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Ediehow:

xris: help me please

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Ediehow:

sir

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Nifty. Thanks

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xris:

Ediehow: I don't know anything about mytharchive.. sounds like you managed to pick some setting that's broken in .20.1

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Ediehow:

i can't make it use ffmpeg or something instead of mpegenc?

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cal:

dagmar: -15 is default anyway

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chadmaynard:

Ediehow: I don't know much about MythTV but i'm guessing you can't use ffmpeg without changing a boatload of stuff

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Ediehow:

shoot

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Ediehow:

i don't know why this dumb rpm has a broken mpeg2enc

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Ediehow:

and i dont know why mytharchive is doing this when it's worked in the past

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Ediehow:

gnome radio can do it, i think

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t0ny-p40:

is there any text based ones?

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Ediehow:

i think so, but it has been a while

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Tanthrix:

Can the radio be used concurrently with the TV tuner?

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Ediehow:

i am not sure

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t0ny-p40:

ivtv-radio :)

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t0ny-p40:

If I do radio while watching live tv it goes blue :/

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Tanthrix:

Shame.

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t0ny-p40:

I dont even plan on using it just want to see if it works :P

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cal:

how do i start the backend server?

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chadmaynard:

cal: you killed it didn't you?

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cal:

it never started

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chadmaynard:

then you want to start it, not restart it.... right?

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overpointe:

Does anyone here have MythDora 4?

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cal:

chad: true

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cal:

i dont understand why it doesnt want to use localhost though

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chadmaynard:

cal: just run mythbackend & to test i suppose

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cal:

chad: ivtv driver has stipped responding .. when i try to watch livetv.

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tank-man:

what ivtv version?

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cal:

how do i check that?

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tank-man:

how did you install it?

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cal:

the latest knoppmyth

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tank-man:

type dmesg, should say, plus a lot of other info

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cal:

ivtv0: Encoder revision: 0x02050032

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cal:

is that it?

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cal:

oh, here: ivtv: version 0.8.2 (tagged release) loading

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tank-man:

i dont know where to start debuging your ivtv prob, but that isnt the newest one

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xris:

whelp, so much for QAM for me

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chadmaynard:

cal: you are using knoppmyth?

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chadmaynard:

i downloaded knoppmyth two days ago and couldn't get it to work lol

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overpointe:

And I'm having trouble with MythDora 4.0.

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overpointe:

The installation crashes on the second CD.

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xris:

overpointe: could always try straight fedora

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overpointe:

That's what I feared, xris.

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xris:

overpointe: new to linux?

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overpointe:

No, I've been running Redhat and other distros since '99.

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overpointe:

I never stop learning stuff though.

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chadmaynard:

then run myth on one of those distros

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overpointe:

I'll try that, but I was hopping everything needed would be in this nice, pretty little package. LOL!

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overpointe:

First I'll try just installing the drivers I KNOW I'll need.

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LennonNZ:

install debian and its just an apt-get install xxx and it works fine

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chadmaynard:

install xxx? sounds dirty

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xris:

overpointe: if you're familiar with rh/fedora, it might actually be easier for you to just install packages, etc.

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xris:

overpointe: jarod wilson's fedora guide is pretty easy to follow, and there are packages available for pretty much any mythtv scenario

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overpointe:

Yes, I'm not afraid of RPMs or source. It's just going to take a long time to do an install from the distro, that's all.

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kormoc:

overpointe, not really any longer

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overpointe:

Yes, I have fedora on a box at my apartment. I'm on my girl's box now.

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xris:

overpointe: it won't really take any longer than using mythdora.

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xris:

it's just fedora with the extra packages tacked onto it.

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chadmaynard:

unless you have to download it

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overpointe:

I'm trying to set up one of her boxes because this box has the fastest processor speed.

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overpointe:

chadmaynard, I thought it was fedora with all the fat cut off and nothing but mythtv added.

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chadmaynard:

yea...

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overpointe:

That's what made the idea of it really appealing to me.

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overpointe:

I'm just too lazy to go to my apartment to get my distros. ;-(

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clever:

overpointe: i just 'repaired' my n00b partitioning of a rh9 system from when i was first getting into linux

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clever:

i deleted about 300mb worth of partitions and somehow made a 1gig swap partition in its place:P

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clever:

best guess is i left giant wastefull holes when i made the mess years ago

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overpointe:

What distro are you running now, clever?

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clever:

several

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clever:

redhat9 on that ugly partitioned box

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clever:

ubuntu 7.04 on my laptop

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clever:

ubuntu 6.06 on the mythtv backend

[05:10:12]

clever:

linuxfromscratch on the dhcp/dns cache

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clever:

and xp on 2 other pc's

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clever:

all over the place

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overpointe:

A long time ago, I think I saw something about myth being ran on a mac too.

[05:11:52]

overpointe:

I wouldn't doubt that you could do it on the intel macs now.

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clever:

my laptop(ubuntu 7.04) is also a mythtv frontend

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chadmaynard:

I've put mythfrontend on a mac mini

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clever:

ive been thinking about sticking it beside the tv and using the laptops tvout

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clever:

and since the laptop is small its a compact frontend

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clever:

but the tv out has yet to work right

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overpointe:

What card are you using for TV out, clever?

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clever:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX – 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03)

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clever:

00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX/DX – 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03)

[05:13:11]

clever:

00:07.0 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)

[05:13:13]

clever:

00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)

[05:13:16]

clever:

00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)

[05:13:19]

clever:

00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 03)

[05:13:21]

clever:

00:10.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c556 Hurricane CardBus [Cyclone] (rev 10)

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clever:

00:10.1 Communication controller: 3Com Corporation Mini PCI 56k Winmodem (rev 10)

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clever:

crap:P

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kormoc:

clever, you really know better to spam the channel by now...

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clever:

tryed to grep ati out of there and wound up with extra crud

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clever:

i tryed to use grep to limit it to 1 line

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clever:

but i didnt expect it to find ati in corporATIon

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clever:

using the program 'atitvout' i can enable the crt lcd or tv output

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clever:

and it does work fine in text mode

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clever:

but the image on the tv is scrambled when X loads

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clever:

my best guess is the res/modeline needs to fit the ntsc tv better

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xris:

GhostFreeman: you around?

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clever:

kormoc: any idea what the modeline for proper tvout mught be?

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adnick2k:

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me i'm using the latest svn checkout of mythtv and mythweb... I see that mythweb now has its own player to reach recorded programs as streams but i get no sound the video is fine any ideas why?

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clever:

adnick2k: do any flash based players work with audio?(youtube..)

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adnick2k:

yes

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adnick2k:

i did the flash test on the adobe site

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clever:

dont know then:S

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clever:

my laptops flash refuses to upgrade

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clever:

the xp flash in ie cant play the video or audio

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clever:

konq doesnt have flash installed yet

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adnick2k:

mozilla firefox is your friend

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clever:

using firefox on the xp andthe laptop

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clever:

the laptop firefox has too old of a flash to run it

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adnick2k:

and what does it say when you install adobe flash

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clever:

and ive never been able to upgrade it

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clever:

i run the tar properly and everything goes fine

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clever:

and it still complains about wanting to upgrade

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adnick2k:

ahh im not sure im much help

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clever:

i just ignore it and walk to another pc

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adnick2k:

i use gentoo it was basically emergeing the package and it workds

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clever:

linux and flash videos often leads to high cpu usage

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clever:

when winblows can do it with little cpu usage

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kormoc:

adnick2k, make sure ffmpeg was compiled with mp3 support

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adnick2k:

ahhhhh i bet thats it leme check

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clever:

my laptop is ubuntu 7.04

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clever:

brb

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adnick2k:

Calculating dependencies ... done!

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adnick2k:

im not sure

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adnick2k:

is there a use flag i should enable

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kormoc:

ffmpeg --help

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kormoc:

in the configuration: area, make sure you have

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kormoc:

--enable-libmp3lame

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clever:

back

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adnick2k:

ok thank you

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kormoc:

adante, my use flags for ffmpeg is "aac encode mmx ogg theora threads truetype vorbis x264 xvid zlib"

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kormoc:

but I have a feeling the mp3 support is auto-done via if lame is installed or not

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kormoc:

or via the encode flag

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adante:

you probably want adnick2k

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kormoc:

adante, likely... sorry :P

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adnick2k:

ok

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adante:

and here i was thinking i was popular or something :|

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adnick2k:

hmm well i dont see --enable-libmp3lame

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adnick2k:

leme see if i have lame installed?

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morphiu1:

OK. I have the sound looped back from my tv tuner card to my computer's mic line. I also tried it on the audio input. The problem is that the audio is out of phase with the video by at least a second and a half to two seconds. How can I sync this?

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clever:

the audio has to go thru mythtv

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clever:

mythbackend has to record it into the video stream and then it will be played back by the frontend

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clever:

youll notice the sync getting worse if you pause the tv

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morphiu1:

Hmmm. Could lack of ram do this?

[05:45:59]

clever:

no

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clever:

the audio shouldnt be going thru the hardware loopback

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clever:

the computer should be recording the audio to the harddrive

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clever:

and then playing it back a second or so latter

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morphiu1:

Ok. I get it.

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clever:

so it records both audio and video

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clever:

and then plays it

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clever:

and when you hit pause it pauses both

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morphiu1:

So then I need to figure out why myth is not recording/playing back properly.

[05:47:05]

clever:

yeah

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** cecil grabs lastest neon-wide to build last testers iso before the next release of KnoppMyth **

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clever:

lol:)

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voltagex:

I used the example lirc config from the wiki, it seems to work in Gnome, but not in MythTV itself!

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cecil:

that isn't a lot of detail....

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cecil:

voltagex: perhaps greater information, what lirc config file are you referring to?

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cecil:

mythtv uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc and not ~/.lircrc

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cecil:

good night folks

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adnick2k:

kormoc your the best

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adnick2k:

!!!1

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adnick2k:

i got audio now....

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peepsalot:

argh I can't choose a motherboard. I want AM2, with plenty of SATA ports, gbit lan, but that's all I can think to narrow it down

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hads:

Asus are nice.

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peepsalot:

is nforce 570 a good chipset?

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voltagex:

cecil: sorry, walked away for a minute... so it uses that config even if LIRCd is running?

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gpd:

anyone know if it is possible to change the fan speed of nvidia graphics cards under Linux? My mythtv box is very loud and the cause is the 6800 card fan :(

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gardengnome:

gpd: the documentation of the nvidia driver is quite good, you should read it

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gpd:

gardengnome: grep -ri fan /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/* ==> nothing useful? where do you mean?

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directhex:

install nvclock

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directhex:

or use a graphics card that isn't considered louder than a hairdryer by nvidia themselves

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gpd:

ok – i like those suggestions: thanks :D

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directhex:

yeah, it might be a job only an aftermarket cooler can solve

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gpd:

I might just ebay a fanless card

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gpd:

It would have to have DVI out – but other than that it probably doesn't need to be too fast. /me goes off to check mythtv hardware wiki

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directhex:

wait, that was the 5800. my bad

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directhex:

but watch http://youtube.com/watch?v=4mz7q_yzMms anyway

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mIRCat:

yay video and snack time!

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gpd:

hah – nice vid

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Tanthrix:

gpd: Just grab any decently new passive nvidia card

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Tanthrix:

gpd: I just bought a 7600GS for $100 that was fanless (Though I bolted a nice fan on the side of it just for the hell of it)

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mIRCat:

frankensteins card?

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Tanthrix:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc=

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Tanthrix:

There's a fanless GF5200 for $30 new

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directhex:

AGP/PCIe will drive the choice

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Tanthrix:

6200 PCIe for $32

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Tanthrix:

Newegg is so damned awesome.

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directhex:

be wary of turbocache

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Tanthrix:

They seriously have the best e-commerce setup I've ever seen in my life – you can search by *anything*

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** gpd sheds a small tear at loss of newegg after move from LA->UK **

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Tanthrix:

I take it they don't do international shipping

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directhex:

no

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directhex:

and there'd be the question of VAT and duty if they did

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gbee:

ugh, forgotten how slow compiling mythtv from source is without ccache

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slaine_:

There was talk of newegg doing international orders recently, wonder what happened there

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Tanthrix:

With regards to video performance (MPEG2, h264, etc.. decoding) would I be better off with going for a single or older dual core CPU at a higher clock (3+ GHz) or a Core 2 Duo running at 1.86 GHz?

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anykey_:

that will probably change soon

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Tanthrix:

True.

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voltagex:

ok, even with the lircrc file in ~/.mythtv I can't get it going – the remote works outside of MythTVFrontend and in irw

[08:13:13]

gbee:

voltagex: have you built mythtv with lirc support?

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gbee:

--version (should be listed amoungst the options compiled in)

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gbee:

you should also see something about lirc in the log as mythfrontend starts up

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voltagex:

gbee: ubuntu packaged version

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gbee:

yeah and what does --version say? do you see an error similiar to the following: "lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages"

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voltagex:

using_lirc

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voltagex:

no error

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voltagex:

I gotta go

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gbee:

I'm afk now

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sinthetek:

hey, i can't seem to get mythfronted to run in window mode for some reason

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sinthetek:

when i run mythfrontend -w, it starts up like usual in fullscreen mode

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voltagex:

back

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gbee:

sinthetek: it's unlikely, but is it starting up windowed but just too large to see the actual borders?

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voltagex:

gbee: no errors that I can see about lirc when starting mythfrontend

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gbee:

voltagex: odd, that implies it's connecting to the lirc daemon just fine

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gbee:

voltagex: could you pastebin you lircrc file?

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voltagex:

hmm I thought I did but I can't find the url :/

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gbee:

I was supposed to have gone out by now – but throwing up my breakfast has changed the plan a little

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voltagex:

wtf

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voltagex:

that's one of my machines joining

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voltagex:

and I can't work out which one

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voltagex:

gbee: http://www.pastebin.ca/480409

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voltagex:

hope you're well soon

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gbee:

voltagex: should be fine, I'm not feeling that unwell – just a little tired and achy

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gbee:

voltagex: your lircrc is configured for using irxevent instead of mythtv's internal lirc support

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voltagex:

woot, found which box it was

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gbee:

replace irxevent with mythtv

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voltagex:

gbee: oh, and I was mistaken, I found it by googling for mythtv lircrc

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voltagex:

not from within the wiki

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voltagex:

I'm an idiot

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gbee:

voltagex: you _can_ use irxevent if you want, that would let your last binding to start mythfrontend work

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voltagex:

now, if only I could have context sensitive remote support

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gbee:

but then you need to start irxevent first

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voltagex:

i.e. the menu buttons act as arrow keys while not watching tv/in a menu

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voltagex:

but simple support is good enough for now

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gbee:

well there is context support in mythtv (outside mythtv I can't help) but mythtv's key bindings have long supported the ability to have different keys do different things depending on context

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voltagex:

hmm

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voltagex:

well all I need irxevent to do is start mythfrontend then I can let myth take over

[08:49:56]

gbee:

http://www.pastebin.ca/480446

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gbee:

voltagex: in which case run irxevent, leave that last binding as it is, and change the rest of lircrc to use mythtv

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juski:

morning

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gbee:

the other difference is in the syntax of the config line – mythtv just wants the key (none of the Key {key} CurrentWindow stuff)

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voltagex:

bah I need to know sed to fix that quickly

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gardengnome:

morning juski

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gbee:

it's not needed as mythtv knows it's a key and that the target is itself

[08:52:17]

juski:

or just use nano, voltagex :)

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juski:

editor for wimps :)

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voltagex:

wtf, can't find my Meta key in OS X

[08:52:33]

voltagex:

should be option

[08:52:42]

voltagex:

yeah, trying to work out how to do a regex find and replace

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voltagex:

I can regex find, but I'm not sure how to regex replace and keep {key} from the middle of that line

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voltagex:

I'm sshed into my box at the moment

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voltagex:

hang on, I'll stop being lazy

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voltagex:

so how do I get nano not to wipe out the whole line

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juski:

JFGI :)

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voltagex:

the find regex is Key (.*?) CurrentWindow$

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voltagex:

JFGI = Just Fscking Google It?

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juski:

so what's new today then?

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voltagex:

I just got LIRC working

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juski:

nice ;)

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voltagex:

but there's nothing in the wiki about context support?

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anykey_:

nothing, they didn't ship my new hardware yet :|

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voltagex:

anykey_: I know, waiting for new toys is the worst!

[09:15:28]

anykey_:

yeah, and if everything is "on stock" in the shop I don't want to wait two weeks

[09:15:37]

juski:

I'm having to save up for my next new toy.. never mind wait for delivery

[09:16:04]

voltagex:

yeah, me too

[09:16:04]

juski:

I could just bing it on my CC but that'd be cheating ;0

[09:16:05]

anykey_:

They seem to have two stocks, one for the public shop and one that gets used when you actually buy something

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voltagex:

haha

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juski:

lol

[09:16:18]

voltagex:

find another shop

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anykey_:

voltagex: well, for my next order I will, but I can't cancel that one

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voltagex:

one of the local shopkeepers hates me because I gave him a pricelist from the net, 50–90% cheaper than his prices.

[09:18:08]

** juski pictures a grumpy shopkeeper, mumbling like Cartman.. "jees man you're bustin ma balls here" **

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voltagex:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC << no information on how to get context-sensitive remote actions

[09:18:31]

voltagex:

juski: that's almost what he said

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juski:

voltagex: as in multi-press actions?

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juski:

voltagex: the lirc docs say how

[09:18:53]

juski:

as in lirc.org docs

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juski:

I've never tried em myself so please don't ask :)

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anykey_:

context-sensitive actions? sounds cool

[09:20:26]

pat_:

sounds confusing for my wife

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quicksilver:

voltagex: Jump Points do most of what you probably want

[09:21:04]

voltagex:

juski: no, as in if I'm not watching TV the centre arrow buttons are arrows, not volume/channel controls

[09:21:05]

quicksilver:

voltagex: I wondered vaguely about context-sensitive actions, but I discovered that jump points did everything I was actualy looking for

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juski:

but apparently in a definition line you can put 'config = a b c d' & on consecutive keypresses you get 'a' 'b' 'c' or 'd' in sequence :)

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voltagex:

hmm that's not quite what I want

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voltagex:

maybe it's not supported

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voltagex:

I'll cope :P

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juski:

sounds very unsupported

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quicksilver:

voltagex: you can rebind myth's keys in certain contexts using the mythcontrols plugin

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voltagex:

whoa

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quicksilver:

voltagex: although the arrow key binding thing 'mostly works sensibly'

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juski:

back up yer settings table

[09:22:23]

quicksilver:

good advice there

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** voltagex is scared **

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voltagex:

meh, don't really need it

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quicksilver:

voltagex: jump points are worth installing mythcontrols for, though

[09:22:44]

juski:

every setting for the frontend of hostname $hostname, back it up

[09:22:49]

voltagex:

I have plenty of buttons for now

[09:22:54]

juski:

quicksilver: also mythweb though?

[09:22:57]

juski:

no?

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quicksilver:

voltagex: so you can press one key and jump straight to main menu, or view media, etc

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voltagex:

mysqldump

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voltagex:

:)

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voltagex:

yeah

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quicksilver:

juski: true; I've never bothered with mythweb for some reason

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voltagex:

meh tomorrow, too tired/not enough caffeine now

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voltagex:

parents are away tomorrow so my caffeine intake will not be controlled

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voltagex:

xD

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gbee:

juski: discovered what I forgot to backup, the lirc config files

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voltagex:

oh noes

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juski:

gbee: ow. not as bad as it coulda been though ;)

[09:28:34]

gbee:

no, no it could have been worse :)

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voltagex:

no point having mythtv when there is nothing on TV

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voltagex:

just need Azureus integration – what language do I have to write plugins in?

[09:29:18]

gardengnome:

bah

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gardengnome:

bad topic

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quicksilver:

voltagex: C++

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voltagex:

quicksilver: :/ don't know C++

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quicksilver:

voltagex: then I suspect you may find it hard :)

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mIRCat:

This would be a good time to learn ;)

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voltagex:

yes

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voltagex:

I can write hello world but that's about all

[09:31:02]

mIRCat:

crap that reminds me. my library books are due today

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voltagex:

ooh, I forgot I *bought* Practical C++

[09:32:35]

** mIRCat glares **

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voltagex:

no, as in really bought, not ebook'd

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mIRCat:

Since you're not using it ship it over here. It'll save me late fees

[09:33:04]

voltagex:

heh

[09:33:12]

mIRCat:

actually from Auss. it'd be cheaper to buy it

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voltagex:

haven't had a chance

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juski:

no bittorrent plugin for mythtv would ever be condoned by the dev team

[09:34:03]

juski:

you wanna download new distros, you don't need mythtv for that

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voltagex:

juski: blame the Australian TV networks for delaying some programs for up to 3 years.

[09:37:47]

juski:

circumstances don't change the law

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voltagex:

juski: you're entitled to your views. I think of it as extreme timeshifting

[09:38:54]

voltagex:

anywho, enough of that topic

[09:39:06]

juski:

yeah you don't wanna get kicked :)

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quicksilver:

there are legal uses of bittorrent

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quicksilver:

and there is legal content on vuze (azureus 3)

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voltagex:

quicksilver: yes but my uses aren't

[09:39:51]

quicksilver:

well I don't wish to discuss that :)

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juski:

see ;)

[09:40:04]

quicksilver:

but you can make a totally legal case for a bittorrent plugin

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quicksilver:

personally I wouldn't bother with it :)

[09:40:15]

juski:

yeah you could, but...

[09:40:18]

quicksilver:

but if someone else wants to write it I wouldn't object

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quicksilver:

juski: there are after all illegal ways to use myth's existing functionality

[09:40:46]

quicksilver:

juski: but we don't let that get in the way of the totally legal way I and many others use it

[09:40:57]

juski:

very true again

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voltagex:

quicksilver: I'm not talking about a complete torrenting solution, just an azureus connector

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juski:

but let's be realistic. there's not much legal stuff going on over bittorrent networks

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hads:

voltagex: It isn't discussed here, so...

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quicksilver:

voltagex: it would be relatively easy to have something which launches azureus, and configure azureus to download its stuff into the myth video directory

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voltagex:

yes, which is why I was trying to move onto another topic

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Hugolp:

hi

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quicksilver:

voltagex: you can edit the XML file by hand and add an 'EXEC' directive or something liek that

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quicksilver:

voltagex: no plugin required for that

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voltagex:

quicksilver: I'll look into it thanks

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quicksilver:

voltagex: if you search around for 'mythtv eject' you'll see an example people use to get the eject command working

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voltagex:

ah, what I do need to do tonight is fix my website

[09:46:20]

voltagex:

thanks for the lirc help gbee

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gbee:

np, you got it working?

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voltagex:

enough for now

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juski:

quicksilver: eject is built in now ya know :)

[09:57:23]

quicksilver:

juski: yes, but that's how I learnt about the EXEC thing

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quicksilver:

eject doesn't actually work for me, which is probably privileges

[09:57:51]

quicksilver:

but I can' tbe bothered to care: if I have to move over to the machine to remove the DVD, I'm in the right place to press the hardware button anywya...

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juski:

haha yes there's always that

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quicksilver:

if I do a software eject and don't get there fast enough the machine pulls it back in anyway :P

[10:01:22]

Ruleke:

huh ?

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quicksilver:

many tray-loading DVD drives (including mine) automatically pull the tray back in after a time out

[10:03:22]

quicksilver:

my playstation does it too

[10:03:24]

Ruleke:

yikes

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quicksilver:

I imagine it's because when it's open dust can get in, and you might bang against it

[10:03:52]

Ruleke:

heh

[10:04:09]

Ruleke:

yeah dust is much worse than scratching the dvd while getting it out :)

[10:04:48]

quicksilver:

yup. You can buy a new DVD but you can't sell off old dust

[10:04:58]

Ruleke:

:)

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hads:

Yeah, what if you dropped a brick on it and broke the tray off?

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juski:

hey anything that saves a user burning a calorie must be good :)

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Ruleke:

less exposed buttons on the unit of course :)

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gbee:

I recall someone creating a mythtv bootsplash, anyone know what happened to it?

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directhex|work:

it's years since i've used bootsplash. is it still in fashion?

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directhex|work:

bootsplash.de has a couple

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anykey_:

directhex|work: you can convert bootsplash to fbsplash I think

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gbee:

I still prefer it, especially for a frontend which is going in the living room

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directhex|work:

ubuntu comes with usplash support as standard, so i've been using that

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directhex|work:

http://www.bootsplash.de/files/themes/screens . . . V-silent.png ?

[10:59:41]

gbee:

directhex|work: ahh

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Merlin83b2:

minimyth does bootsplash stuff

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gbee:

directhex|work: yeah I'm looking at that one now, although I thought someone had done a more recent and nicer version

[11:00:23]

directhex|work:

kde-look.org has a lot of splash-related things

[11:01:46]

anykey_:

directhex|work: I like the way ubuntu handles the startup of xorg, i.e. you don't notice any console messages

[11:08:55]

gbee:

juski: fancy making some bootsplashes to complement the themes? ;)

[11:09:30]

directhex|work:

funny thing is, the default usplash theme works really well

[11:09:42]

directhex|work:

because it's a tv test pattern :)

[11:10:09]

gbee:

heh

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directhex|work:

as shown badly on http://aceitunassinhueso.com/images/usplash.JPG

[11:11:29]

gbee:

I quite like the idea of a bootsplash that either integrates with blootube or uses the mythtv logo as the central focus

[11:11:40]

gbee:

I'm just being picky though

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directhex|work:

i think a test card is spot on, really :p

[11:12:25]

gbee:

if I was really motivated I'd use the bootsplash tools to create one – I've done it before and it really couldn't be easier

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anykey_:

gbee: I have plans for doing an fbsplash theme with the mythtv logo from the wiki (Image:Mythtv.png I think) and the retro theme background around it ;-)

[11:13:41]

anykey_:

I don't know if I want to add a progressbar though

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gbee:

a progress bar is handy if your concerned about it failing during the boot

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juski:

not rly into bootsplash gear

[11:16:13]

gbee:

you can actually see that it's not progressing, as opposed to be very slow ;)

[11:23:21]

sinthetek:

ok, i am trying to get mythfrontend to act right in window mode

[11:23:53]

sinthetek:

i believe it was gbee earlier who asked if perhaps the dimensions were too big for the screen... they weren't.

[11:24:35]

gbee:

juski: either that, or invent an entirely new logo

[11:24:38]

anykey_:

gbee: do you know if fbsplash works with initng? that would be awesome :)

[11:24:48]

gbee:

which would be a shame, as I'm fond on the existing one now

[11:24:59]

gbee:

anykey_: not a clue

[11:25:49]

juski:

gbee: I'm v. fond of the current logo. I'd be V peed off if it gets replaced, esp. by the things in the .org mockups

[11:26:02]

sinthetek:

i can actually move the window about with alt+left click but i cannot set the dimensions except by the command line or set other window options (make it sticky or change the layer)

[11:26:19]

juski:

fork to keep the logo! :-P

[11:26:56]

sinthetek:

for some reason there is no titlebar on it and the things you grab with the mouse pointer to adjust the size are missing

[11:27:49]

directhex|work:

i'll make my OWN myth logo! with blackjack! and hookers!

[11:28:03]

sinthetek:

is there something about mythtv that is supposed to disable those properties which they forgot to remove from window mode or something?

[11:30:13]

sinthetek:

ok... next question: mythtv's sound doesn't seem to play very nicely with other apps that use sound. can anyone account for this or recommend a solution?

[11:30:44]

sinthetek:

currently if i'm watching livetv and decide to pause it and listen to music with audacious, i have to exit from live tv to one of the menus first

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directhex|work:

sinthetek, that's down to the sound driver you're using

[11:31:18]

sinthetek:

other apps can share the sound concurrent with each other fine

[11:31:32]

sinthetek:

but if mythtv is running first, none of them can access the device

[11:31:43]

sinthetek:

and if one of the other apps is running first, mythtv can't

[11:32:00]

sinthetek:

oki

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directhex|work:

which relies on a recent kernel, and that your "other apps" aren't using something shitty like ESD or aRts

[11:35:56]

sinthetek:

awesome! thanks

[11:37:03]

sinthetek:

i guess i can live with only having mythtv run in it's own space on my most frequently used workspace for a bit :P

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Aquahallic:

Mornin' folks

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Aquahallic:

when going through the gentoo HOWTO it has me emerge -1 =x11-libs/qt-3*

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Aquahallic:

then it says there are no ebuilds to satisfy

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Aquahallic:

:/

[11:38:33]

directhex|work:

gentootastic

[11:39:19]

Aquahallic:

I even added the line to package.mask

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Aquahallic:

">x11-libs/qt-3.3.8" >> /etc/portage/package.mask

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Aquahallic:

any ideas?

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sinthetek:

don't mask packages youa re trying to install? :P

[11:41:18]

Aquahallic:

that only masks what's above that specific versiono

[11:41:22]

Aquahallic:

version

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sinthetek:

which gentoo/mythtv url are you using?

[11:41:50]

Aquahallic:

gentoo wiki

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sinthetek:

there are a couple though... i think

[11:42:15]

sinthetek:

some are specific to certain tvcards and remotes

[11:42:24]

Aquahallic:

hmmm

[11:42:34]

Aquahallic:

well I'm using a pvr 150

[11:43:20]

sinthetek:

ok... well, i cannot give you specifics on how accurate/up-to-date the info you're reading is

[11:43:25]

sinthetek:

since i dunno the url

[11:43:31]

sinthetek:

i will give you some info from my system though

[11:44:42]

sinthetek:

are you running amd64?

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Aquahallic:

no

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Aquahallic:

i686

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gbee:

well quick and dirty – http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4175/mytht . . . ashssys9.png

[11:47:17]

gbee:

I swear the log was better positioned when I started out ... but it will do until someone creates a decent one

[11:47:22]

sinthetek:

oh wait!

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sinthetek:

i see the problem i think

[11:47:37]

sinthetek:

that asterisk in the howto isn't supposed to be taken literally i think

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Aquahallic:

hmm

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sinthetek:

when you specify a category (x11-libs/) to emerge, you have to also supply a specific package version as well

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Aquahallic:

ok

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sinthetek:

instead of emerge -1 =x11-libs/qt-3* do this instead: emerge =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r2

[11:49:05]

sinthetek:

and

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Aquahallic:

says qt-3.3.8-r2 is masked

[11:51:02]

sinthetek:

if you started the emerge already cancel it first

[11:51:10]

Aquahallic:

that readme had me mask

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sinthetek:

echo "x11-libs/qt" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords

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Aquahallic:

anything greater with >x11-libs/qt-3.3.8

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sinthetek:

don't use that

[11:52:01]

Aquahallic:

is 3.3.8-r2 compatble?

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Aquahallic:

okee

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sinthetek:

do this exactly:

[11:52:19]

Aquahallic:

let me pull that out of the package.mask file then

[11:52:38]

sinthetek:

echo "x11-libs/qt zlib jpeg cups gif png opengl mysql" >> /etc/portage/package.use

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sinthetek:

echo "x11-libs/qt" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords

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sinthetek:

emerge =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r2

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sinthetek:

that should do it i think

[11:53:31]

Aquahallic:

ok... I'm pulling that line out of mask first though.. k?

[11:53:42]

sinthetek:

yeah, good idea

[11:54:01]

sinthetek:

the problem with a lot of wiki projects is that modifications aren't well documented

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Zider:

I believe I masked <=x11-libs/qt-4* to keep it to 3.x

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sinthetek:

i have both versions of qt installed

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Zider:

no, >=

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Zider:

:P

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sinthetek:

so like, if the original docs even are dated (which is rare), you don't know which parts are updated and which are old

[11:55:51]

sinthetek:

you can see one old part in a mostly new doc and dismiss it offhand and miss relevant info

[11:56:07]

sinthetek:

or just see the new part and assume the whole thing is new and end up screwing yourself

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directhex|work:

sounds nice & easy. much nicer than "aptitude install mythtv" :(

[11:56:19]

** sinthetek has a pet-peeve against undated docs :P **

[11:56:39]

Aquahallic:

hmmmm

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Zider:

>=x11-libs/qt-4 is what I masked

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Aquahallic:

'=x11-libs//qt-3.3.8-r2' is not a valid package atom.

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sinthetek:

use only 1 /

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Aquahallic:

heh

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Aquahallic:

whoops

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Aquahallic:

:P

[11:57:36]

sinthetek:

:P

[11:57:44]

Aquahallic:

ahh yes

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Aquahallic:

there she goes

[11:57:49]

Aquahallic:

:)

[11:57:50]

Aquahallic:

ty

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Aquahallic:

I thought about just doing emerge qt

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Zider:

it's better to let portage choose the latest 3.x version insted of oneshotting a specific version imo

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sinthetek:

np

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Aquahallic:

then it'd grab the latest

[11:58:17]

Aquahallic:

hehe

[11:58:19]

Aquahallic:

yeah

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Aquahallic:

that's what I was thinking

[11:58:28]

sinthetek:

yeah, i removed -1 from the emerge command

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Zider:

3.3.8-r2 would be selected anyway, so.. :)

[11:59:16]

Zider:

then we just have to wait for mythtv to support qt-4 ;)

[11:59:21]

croppa:

Should I install v4l-dvb and have the digital tv cards working before i install mythtv

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croppa:

and should I install mythtv as user mythtv?

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directhex|work:

croppa, what incredibly distribution-specific questions

[12:00:25]

sinthetek:

i think imma remove this mythgallery plugin

[12:00:39]

sinthetek:

i just installed it and it automatically starts mythtv in gallery mode now

[12:00:47]

Aquahallic:

good question.... since I'm using a PVR-150 should I do my IVTV install before I emerge mythtv?

[12:00:54]

croppa:

I do my best ..........I am using ubuntu edgy..........sorry

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sinthetek:

Aquahallic: not NECESSARY but i would

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sinthetek:

since you need it before you can use mythtv anyway

[12:01:43]

Aquahallic:

ok... soo... I'll let qt finish... then do the IVTV then pickup on the readme?

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sinthetek:

and you could be trying it out while mythtv installs :P

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directhex|work:

croppa, if you want to do some tests, then try the dvb-utils package. but generally, the mythtv package installs everything you need

[12:02:21]

sinthetek:

(mythtv takes a while to compile and qt will take hours)

[12:02:26]

Aquahallic:

I tried this once... and couldn't get php to talk with mysql properly...:/

[12:02:36]

sinthetek:

php?

[12:02:46]

Aquahallic:

for mythweb interface

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directhex|work:

croppa, just please READ THE DIALOGS. if it asks password-related things, make sure you leave the boxes blank if you haven't ever manually fiddled with those specific things

[12:03:26]

Aquahallic:

this readme installed up PHP-5

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sinthetek:

Aquahallic: put media-tv/ivtv and x11-drivers/xf86-video-ivtvdev

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sinthetek:

in package.keywords*

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croppa:

I have had my digital tv cards working before i installed mythtv and i think i may have some permission problems

[12:04:40]

croppa:

thanks for your help so far however it is now bed time

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sinthetek:

and then just: emerge ivtv xf86-video-ivtvdev && modprobe ivtv && ivtv-tune -c <some local chan number> && gmplayer /dev/video0

[12:05:05]

croppa:

I will have another go tomorrow night

[12:05:26]

directhex|work:

croppa, the user running mythtv-setup and mythfrontend should be in the "mythtv" and "video" groups. the latter should happen by default

[12:05:40]

Aquahallic:

that's to get IVTV driver installed?

[12:05:55]

Aquahallic:

and looks like you're manually tuning the card

[12:06:11]

Aquahallic:

and getting a pic to come up...:P

[12:07:15]

Aquahallic:

looks like one of those "Walkaway" installs... fire it up... walkaway and when ya come back you should be watchin' tv...LOL

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sinthetek:

:P

[12:08:09]

Aquahallic:

another question

[12:08:15]

Aquahallic:

this was a bare box

[12:08:19]

sinthetek:

one of the advantages to installing stuff the 'old-fashioned' way

[12:08:38]

Aquahallic:

right now it has.... gentoo, my nvidia drivers and other h/w drivers....

[12:08:47]

Aquahallic:

and now it'll have qt3

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sinthetek:

people who rely heavily on gui for everything get to miss out on the power of simple scripting

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Aquahallic:

will the emerge of IVTV give me the Xwindows?

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sinthetek:

s/get to/have to

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sinthetek:

s/have to/tend to, hehe

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Aquahallic:

or do I need to emerge that separate?

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sinthetek:

i'm pretty sure emerge qt should install X but i'm not completely sure

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directhex|work:

qt doesn't actually need x

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sinthetek:

i assumed you had an ok desktop system already. in that case that gmplayer command prolly won't work ;P

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Aquahallic:

lol

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Aquahallic:

nah.. I'm makin' a dedicated box for this

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directhex|work:

qt can draw to a framebuffer directly, so if there's a dependency, that dependency is broken

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Aquahallic:

so I guess after qt is finished I need to emerge Xorg

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Aquahallic:

and get all my nvidia variables set in there

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directhex|work:

sounds like fun

[12:13:14]

sinthetek:

qt ebuild says it depends on libXcursor

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sinthetek:

and libXcursor says it needs libXrender

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Aquahallic:

so how would I go about checking to see if X is installed also?

[12:14:14]

Aquahallic:

after qt is finished

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sinthetek:

and i *did* tell him to add opengl, gif, png and jpeg support before starting compilation

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Aquahallic:

yup... I did

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sinthetek:

i'm fairly certain xorg will get installed automatically in the mix somewhere

[12:15:15]

** directhex|work still fails to see the attraction to gentoo, is probably getting old & grumpy **

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Aquahallic:

I like it cause it makes ya get down to the nuts and bolts of it all...:P

[12:17:16]

sinthetek:

personally i like it cuz of the whole stream-lining thing and because it's package management is so flexible

[12:17:18]

cns:

hello, is it possible to get mythtv to update its database of files in the /myth/video directory remotely or possibly automatically every 24hrs, i don't want to set it to browse files if at all possible

[12:17:44]

cns:

i can handle adding it into cron or something, but need a command if there is one :)

[12:18:35]

kslater:

does anyone know whether the typical mythbox is setup to playback H.264 encoded mpeg4s?

[12:18:57]

directhex|work:

kslater, that depends on your CPU

[12:19:26]

directhex|work:

Aquahallic, is that a good thing? why not make some other bugger do the hard work, then tinker later?

[12:20:04]

directhex|work:

cns, it must be possible – MythWeb in SVN has a clickybutton to scan the folder, so it must be executing some command

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cns:

i don't have the svn version installed i guess i could update and curl whatever that button does, any chance you could have a quick look and see what its doing before i break my currently working system trying to update it ;)

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directhex|work:

interesting. it does it manually – see http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . deo/scan.php

[12:24:17]

cns:

cool thanks, doesn't look like it'll break things too much ;) i'll dropping that on my myth setup :)

[12:25:41]

Aquahallic:

guess it's the engineer in me.... I like knowing what's under the hood before I jump behind the wheel...:)

[12:26:04]

Aquahallic:

and I figured if I learned on one like gentoo.... the rest will be a breeze..:P

[12:27:06]

Aquahallic:

sinthetek you use ISCSI??

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directhex|work:

Aquahallic, there's knowing what's under the hood, and there's starting with a wrench and some scrap metal. personally i trust honda to make a decent enough go of things that can always get fiddled with later

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Aquahallic:

LOL

[12:27:22]

Aquahallic:

true

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directhex|work:

iSCSI? how bleeding edge

[12:27:48]

Aquahallic:

I setup an ISCSI target on a gentoo box

[12:28:07]

Aquahallic:

and I wanna use that as my movie/media store for myth

[12:28:31]

Aquahallic:

but I have to find a good ISCSI initiator to use on the mythbackend box...:/

[12:29:37]

sinthetek:

Aquahallic: nope, sorry

[12:30:08]

Zider:

never even heard of iscsi

[12:30:20]

Aquahallic:

it rocks

[12:30:21]

Aquahallic:

:)

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sinthetek:

directhex: i just noticed the volume control isn't working now. should i change the devices associated volume control, too?

[12:30:29]

Zider:

I still never heard of it ;)

[12:30:34]

Aquahallic:

heh

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Ruleke:

shame on you

[12:30:52]

Aquahallic:

just a network file share.. that SMOKES for transfer

[12:31:05]

sid3windr:

that all depends on what's on the other side

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

Aquahallic: like NFS? :)

[12:31:24]

Aquahallic:

I also use it for my VMWare Vmotion

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directhex|work:

sinthetek, yes

[12:32:03]

Aquahallic:

houses my VMFS for my virutals and all my ESX hosts connect to it

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Ruleke:

too slow for comfort

[12:32:57]

Aquahallic:

Zider yes it's a type of NFS

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directhex|work:

lustre!

[12:33:18]

Aquahallic:

we use a Fiber attached SAN at work

[12:33:38]

Ruleke:

I'd hope so :)

[12:33:43]

Aquahallic:

I can't afford the HBA's for my servers at home... so I went with iSCSI

[12:33:57]

Aquahallic:

it's pretty quick I use dual gig nics

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fryfrog:

teamed?

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Aquahallic:

course

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Aquahallic:

:P

[12:34:26]

Aquahallic:

there's actually 3 in that box

[12:34:39]

Aquahallic:

2 are teamed on a different VLAN for my VMFS

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directhex|work:

i need to file more kernel bugs

[12:35:00]

Zider:

I have one gbit card.. and a 100Mbit switch.. ;)

[12:35:01]

Aquahallic:

one on the frontend VLAN for management...:P

[12:36:02]

Aquahallic:

I sacrificed one of my ESX servers for a box for this mythtv....

[12:43:55]

fryfrog:

so what kind of gig switch do you have tha llows you to do bonding/teaming?

[12:44:05]

fryfrog:

i mean, you do need a managed switch to do it yes?

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sinthetek:

directhex: any idea to what? the same thing (ALSA: default)?

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directhex|work:

sinthetek, "default"

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sinthetek:

word

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sinthetek:

<3 directhex

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dr_willis:

Howdy all. Trying to rember where one sets the look for the 'channel name' overlay when watching tv. Ya know the box at the bottom of the screen that shows Channel #/name/show info.

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TSCHAKWerk:

good morning

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dr_willis:

hi

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sinthetek:

or the proper name for it to aid in google search would prolly help too :P

[13:09:37]

dr_willis:

yep. The default with the angle/background is a bit hard for the wife to read.

[13:09:54]

dr_willis:

exploring all the settings now :)

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directhex|work:

oh, the OSD style

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fryfrog:

i hate tracking settings down in myth :p

[13:10:18]

dr_willis:

that souuunds right. :)

[13:10:25]

fryfrog:

always takes about 2 flips through all the settings

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fryfrog:

the best OSD is ummm

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fryfrog:

damn

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directhex|work:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Isthmus.jpg or http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Newgreyosd11.jpg are probably what you want

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fryfrog:

the world implies "old" i think?

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, MePO!

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fryfrog:

like ancient?

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fryfrog:

archive :/

[13:11:05]

dr_willis:

where are the OSD settings hid at anyway? :)

[13:11:10]

fryfrog:

frak if i know :/

[13:11:21]

dr_willis:

heh

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directhex|work:

somewhere under tv/appearance i expect

[13:11:41]

dr_willis:

im on my 4th trip through that stuff.

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dr_willis:

:)

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TSCHAKWerk:

no, it's under TV/Playback, interestingly enough

[13:12:12]

TSCHAKWerk:

in the middle of it

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TSCHAKWerk:

don't blink, or you'll missi t

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directhex|work:

close enough. should still be able to find it

[13:12:46]

TSCHAKWerk:

don't be overanxious with the remote, or you'll never see it :-P

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TSCHAKWerk:

we need more OSD themes

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dr_willis:

there we go.

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-P

[13:14:25]

dr_willis:

'grey' is much more readable from across the room

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mixersoft:

hi guys, got a newbie question for you

[13:14:50]

directhex|work:

blue

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mixersoft:

i'm in Japan watching AFN.

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mixersoft:

will MythTV work without a valid EPG?

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mixersoft:

I just want to set up weekly recordings. create a manual program guide

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directhex|work:

what's wrong with tv_grap_jp ?

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directhex|work:

grab, even

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mixersoft:

I'm watching Armed Forces Network

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mixersoft:

doe they have an EPG?

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mixersoft:

besides, I'm moving to CHina in a year, and I'll get some weird variatino of starAsia

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Dibblah:

Don't miss the new invasion of Elbonia – 9 CET!

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dr_willis:

'comercial free'

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** Ruleke stocks pepperspray **

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mixersoft:

any thoughts on using manual program guides?

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directhex|work:

i've never used myth without the epg, but manual recordings can be scheduled

[13:20:02]

mixersoft:

do you get the correct program titles? or just a channel and timeslot?

[13:21:40]

directhex|work:

where would it get correct program titles from?

[13:22:06]

mixersoft:

I'd like to type in a weekly channel guide and leave it there

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mixersoft:

no need to update weekly.

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directhex|work:

you could mess with the database manually, i suppose. but it won't be pretty

[13:23:30]

mixersoft:

so you sort of really need to be in the US or some normal place, right?

[13:26:48]

Ruleke:

you need a source for the programming. either eit on dvb or you use an xmltv grabber

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sinthetek:

anyone know how to adjust audio/video sync? is there a way with live tv?

[13:27:17]

Ruleke:

If the programs are exactly the same as in US, and there's a grabber for that, just use a large time offset in the grabber ? :)

[13:27:31]

Ruleke:

I have no idea what AFN is tbh :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

sinthetek: you're most likely hearing the output from LIVE versus watching what has actually been time shifted.

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riddlebox:

wohoo finally got myth running on my multi monitor setup!

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dr_willis:

riddlebox, had to tweak that last week also

[13:29:59]

dr_willis:

got mythtv on my tv display. and a normal X desktop on the monitor here

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riddlebox:

dr_willis, I have mythtv on one monitor, and still have two other monitors to do everything else

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hugolp:

Hi

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dr_willis:

still not sure how to set up a keyboard just for mythtv to use. I just mouse over. to that screen

[13:33:50]

dr_willis:

but it works for me. heh . im the only user

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hound:

dr_willis, is the problem that mythtv looses focus on your dual monitor setup and your keyboard then doesn't work?

[13:38:32]

hound:

dr_willis, yea I guess so, read that again :-)

[13:38:45]

chuk:

I'm having trouble manually running commflagging and transcoding from the front end

[13:38:53]

chuk:

I went into the job options

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chuk:

and selected "start commercial flaggin"

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chuk:

g

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chuk:

but I don't see any job running on the back end

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chuk:

does it queue for some period of time?

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dr_willis:

hound, yep. gotta mouse over to the mythtv 'screen' to chang4 channels.. of course I was getting confused because mythtv was 'hiding the mouse cursor'

[13:40:35]

dr_willis:

so now i know the mouse is over there. because I unhid it. :)

[13:40:40]

hound:

dr_willis, never tried it, but I would think if you ran two xservers on each display, you could assign a usb keyboard to one display, and the ps/2 keyboard to the other.

[13:41:24]

hound:

under ServerLayout probably.

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dr_willis:

hound, yea. thats the 'other' way of doing it. :) im using twinview and xinerama. tole Mythtv to go on the #1 xininrama screen so it stays over there.

[13:42:10]

dr_willis:

That way if i want 2 desktops i can just close mythtv.

[13:42:33]

dr_willis:

just every so often a window pops up over there. and so on.

[13:42:56]

dr_willis:

im suprised at how readable the display on the tv is. :) reminds me of my AMIGA days

[13:43:18]

Ruleke:

't is quite readable on my 1080p tv ;)

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hound:

my shakes so if I try to read anything small I get a headache

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riddlebox:

dr_willis, yeah, thats what I do with my setup, I was given two monitors by friends and I thought well now I have three monitors I should get them to work

[13:45:16]

The_Ball_:

does anybody have a recomendation for a small quiet boot drive for a mythfrontend?

[13:45:19]

riddlebox:

it seems like I need a dual core machine now!

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** dr_willis thinks riddlebox has a large desk **

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riddlebox:

I do :)

[13:46:36]

dr_willis:

The_Ball_, a small quiet hard drive to boot?

[13:46:54]

dr_willis:

The_Ball_, ya could always go that CF-IDE adaptor route.

[13:47:08]

The_Ball_:

dr_willis, a bit slow arent they?

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riddlebox:

dr_willis, the problem I had was that ubuntu's package in their repo had xrandr enabled and I had to disable it, plus the version in ubuntu was an svn version

[13:47:47]

The_Ball_:

i have been using a 32mb cf card and mounting the root drive over aoe

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dr_willis:

The_Ball_, never actually used one. :) heck theres the bootable-usb-thumbdrive route ya could do also. If the system supported it.

[13:48:29]

The_Ball_:

dr_willis, i have used that to... way to slow

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anykey_:

The_Ball_: cf cards are quite fast for boot

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dr_willis:

Hmm..

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** dr_willis wonders what mythtvfrontend is doing that would be slow. **

[13:49:13]

The_Ball_:

im starting to consided manby a 2.5" notebook drive, they can deliver 20MB/s+

[13:49:26]

anykey_:

The_Ball_: there are cf cards that deliver this rate too

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dr_willis:

you mainlyu worried about boot times is all?

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anykey_:

but you don't need that much mb/s anyway, cause you don't read many files that are bigger than 5mb while booting

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The_Ball_:

really, that's interesting, though they have got the "number of writes" limitation of flash memory

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dr_willis:

ive heard its in the 100,000's of times if not higher now.

[13:50:46]

anykey_:

The_Ball_: use unionfs with tmpfs to mount a ramdisk, don't need to write on the card

[13:51:05]

The_Ball_:

if only aoe worked well with xen, then I would continue using aoe

[13:51:08]

TSCHAKWerk:

man, the Mythbusters have the BEST FUCKING JOB, EVAR!

[13:51:56]

mixersoft:

sorry, doing web research.

[13:52:20]

mixersoft:

AFN is the armed forces network, they put top shows from all the networks onto 2 channels

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mixersoft:

so it's not based on any existing program guide

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dr_willis:

what! call the MPAA!/RIAA/DMCA cops! :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

yeah, no kidding

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TSCHAKWerk:

that are a violation of the dmca

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mixersoft:

I need to find a DVR solution that will let me add a manual progam guide

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mixersoft:

and then record weekly.

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TSCHAKWerk:

mythtv can do that.

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dr_willis:

i got a cheap $100 PVR that can do that also. :) it Cant get guide info. It just recoreds based on time like a vcr.

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dr_willis:

sucks :) but its good for grabbing a channel all day long.

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TSCHAKWerk:

you know, i've been thinking.

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dr_willis:

Oh no! :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

...eh, nevermind, that was a brain fart.

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TSCHAKWerk:

I just saw a diet pepsi commercial reference Beverly Hills: 90210.. it is time to flush the toilet we call America.

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tzanger:

hahaha

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tzanger:

no house is childproofed until the little darlings are straightjacketed.

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mixersoft:

yeah, but I've had Tivo, and there is nothing better than browsing a list of tv shows by date/title

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mixersoft:

just manually recording gets your a time/date and you have to remember what it was

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The_Ball_:

tzanger, that qualifies for my quote db

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tzanger:

The_Ball_: it came out of fortune :-)

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TSCHAKWerk:

damn, motherboard hardware changes so freakin fast

[14:32:26]

TSCHAKWerk:

i don't know what to get anymroe.

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The_Ball_:

the expensive stuff is good

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Zider:

asus ftw

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TSCHAKWerk:

am looking for a beefy setup to run my single node mythtv setup

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directhex|work:

HD?

[14:34:28]

TSCHAKWerk:

am currently using a laptop, which is... well, i need to turn it into a laptop again :-P

[14:34:33]

TSCHAKWerk:

yes.

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directhex|work:

high-end then

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TSCHAKWerk:

yup

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directhex|work:

sounds like a job for core2

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TSCHAKWerk:

*nod*

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Zider:

melike core2 :)

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directhex|work:

even toshiba's early set-top hd-dvd player ran a 2.5ghz pentium 4

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** TSCHAKWerk is finding this soundcard chipset in lots of highend mobos now: SupremeFX ADI 1988B .... anyone seen it? **

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Ruleke:

should be doable with an nvidia geforce 8500 with a low end cpu, but only in windows :-/

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TSCHAKWerk:

do not give a flying fuck about windows

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TSCHAKWerk:

i could care less, really.

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Ruleke:

I care about the hardware features that aren't supported in their linux drivers

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TSCHAKWerk:

those seem to be fewer and much farther between now.

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm not gonna play WoW on it

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-

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TSCHAKWerk:

P

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Ruleke:

erm, I want Purevideo HD tbh

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TSCHAKWerk:

??

[14:43:44]

Ruleke:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2977

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Ruleke:

I don't fancy transcoding my h264 shows

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Ruleke:

why do people want chrome alloy rims that rotate on their car ?

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TSCHAKWerk:

becauuuuse they're jealous that they aren't white trash enough?

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Ruleke:

there's your answer

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gardengnome:

thank god that stuff is outlawed in germany

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, is that a snd-hda-intel back-end chip?

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: i really have no idea

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Ruleke:

I'm seeing a ALC882 I can't use here :-/

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TSCHAKWerk:

is anyone here using anHTPC case?

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Ruleke:

hangon it just worked when I force it

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Ruleke:

yay

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directhex|work:

Ruleke, ALC882 should be fine, as long as your pin-outs are reported correctly

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, i used to, before i sold my old mythbox

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Ruleke:

yeah it tried probing some bios stuff

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directhex|work:

again, it's normally just a snd-hda-intel backend

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Ruleke:

well the mixer works, not tested actually playing anything :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: i'm looking for something nice and slim, sparse but aesthetically pleasing.

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TSCHAKWerk:

most htpc boxes i see are huge monstrosities

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, silverstone lc11. but be wary, it's got some major design flaws

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: cooling problems?

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, shorting problems. they might be better now though. generally silverstone cases are pretty but dumb

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directhex|work:

and VERY expensive

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TSCHAKWerk:

hmmm

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm gonna scour all the price brackets

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TSCHAKWerk:

i don't care about price, i want something that's built sanely and looks good.

[14:53:25]

TSCHAKWerk:

but due to my small apt, i have to be very conscious about its profile.

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TSCHAKWerk:

the Zalman stuff looks nice, but it just SCREAMS, "we just overpriced it for suckers who don't know any better."

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TSCHAKWerk:

freakin mce remotes

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directhex|work:

the LC11 is a gorgeous case. just be wary

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TSCHAKWerk:

i can do some metalwork if need be...

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TSCHAKWerk:

hmm

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TSCHAKWerk:

buff edges etc

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TSCHAKWerk:

mmm that looks verrah nice

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directhex|work:

coolermaster don't have silverstonr's flair, but the product is well made and less prone to stupidity

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directhex|work:

antec fusion?

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TSCHAKWerk:

actually they have a very zen-like simplicity to their designs which I like

[15:03:43]

directhex|work:

the big question is do you want something with space for PCI cards to go vertically, or do you want to risk using a riser card?

[15:04:41]

TSCHAKWerk:

well, risers are okay, if you do a little homework beforehand in laying out your pci cards...

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gbee:

Beirdo: your site needs a search page, google hasn't indexed it well

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gbee:

I'm trying to find the old modeline I used for my parents box – I know I mentioned it here, but I forgot to note it down before reformatting

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juski:

gbee: you twisted my arm. I'll have a go at some some bootsplash stuff & maybe even try to draw the logo more faithfully :)

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gbee:

heh

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juski:

or maybe.. just give it enough tweaks so it can be svg & still look good

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Beirdo:

gbee, use privmsgs to the bot and use the search command

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juski:

I'm sure there's something else I'm supposed to be doing.. apart from cooking dinner I mean

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Beirdo:

!help search

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gbee:

Beirdo: very cool, didn't know about that :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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juski:

!search juski theme

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Beirdo:

xris had started a web-based interface to it, but got distracted by other priorities (often the way life works)

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gardengnome:

!search juski rant

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juski:

gardengnome: no point – you only get the 1st 3 hits

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juski:

if it's a day that ends in the letter 'y' (in English), then I ranted :-P

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juski:

if !dead { rant; }

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directhex|work:

st tibbs' day?

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juski:

smartarse

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directhex|work:

hm. it's important to note that our Â£300,000 new computer includes ddate

[15:16:45]

juski:

what the.. ? "Today is Setting Orange, the 57th day of Discord in the YOLD 3173"

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directhex|work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian_calendar

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gbee:

it's come already? I thought I'd have longer to prepare :(

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juski:

why?!

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directhex|work:

juski, it's included as part of util-linux, because gnu developers are drugged up hippies with bad hair

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juski:

and here's me thinking this is where people get the idea linux is a cult..

[15:21:20]

directhex|work:

fdisk, mkswap, dmesg, more, and ddate, are all part of the same source package

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juski:

ddate reminds me of ddatte in autocad

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juski:

totally different thing though.

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juski:

right I need to go buy some mushrooms & stuff

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hugolp:

juski: are you going partying tonight?

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juski:

not those kind of 'shrooms

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hugolp:

not that kind of stuff neither I guess

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juski:

seen as taking drugs is so cool & all that – I don't do it

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hugolp:

XDDD I am a little grown up to think that taking drugs is cool

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** TSCHAKWerk has sufficiently pickled his body enough **

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TSCHAKWerk:

I spent 15, 16, 17 on a constant acid trip

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TSCHAKWerk:

and i fully accept that not all of me came back.

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directhex|work:

i lost the ability to type from a single alcohol-fuelled bender

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TSCHAKWerk:

i have dropped every single one of my vices except two. a bottle of _good_ absinthe, and one pack of clove cigarettes a year.

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gbee:

hmm, how can I tell if opengl vsync is actually being used?

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, define "good absinthe"

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hugolp:

god, my bigest hung over was on absinthe (absenta I am guessing) I was still drunk when I woke up

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: I have a friend who makes a slight derivitive of the Pernod recipe, insanely high wormwood content, wine as the base alcohol.

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gbee:

directhex|work: the stuff which doesn't make your teeth fall out

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: but Logan Fils private selection is also good.

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TSCHAKWerk:

I do _not_ drink Absente

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hugolp:

so whats this absinthe thing?

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TSCHAKWerk:

costs me a freakin fortune to get it shipped here under the radar.

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directhex|work:

absinthe is dead, to most intents & purposes

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TSCHAKWerk:

.....huh?

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directhex|work:

there's one company that follows traditional methods. most stuff on the market is pretty much flavored vodka

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: i tend to agree.

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TSCHAKWerk:

most stuff is absente these days.

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TSCHAKWerk:

absente and real absinthe even colour differently when the sugar is added...

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directhex|work:

jade liquers do the real thing, but it's not worth the cost

[15:33:19]

TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: i don't mind paying $1000 a bottle for something I only do once a yer.

[15:33:22]

TSCHAKWerk:

year.

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's my christmas drink

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehe

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tzanger:

can anyone tell me what "eitignoressource" setting actually does?

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directhex|work:

switch to sipping rum. there's a wider selection

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Ruleke:

it's legal around here anyway

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TSCHAKWerk:

a little decompressssssionnnnnnnnnnnn for the end of a shitty year :-P

[15:34:28]

TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: eh, i like the manic laughing high.

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TSCHAKWerk:

it's how i catharise.

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TSCHAKWerk:

drink a few glasses and watch something funny

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Ruleke:

I suppose you're in the US if you don't have easy access to it ?

[15:35:24]

TSCHAKWerk:

laugh so long i can't breathe.

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TSCHAKWerk:

Ruleke: correct.

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directhex|work:

thojone poisoning is a myth. there's no good reason for it to be banned anywhere

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Ruleke:

indeed

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directhex|work:

it's the "videogames cause school shootings" bogeyman of yesteryear

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TSCHAKWerk:

yeah, you'd die from the alcohol poisoning

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TSCHAKWerk:

before getting enough thujone to do any real damage

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hugolp:

TSCHAKWerk: I still remember when I went to US and told them it was legal in Spain to drink when you were sixteen, and that I got drunk with sixteen.

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TSCHAKWerk:

hugolp: hehehe.

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hugolp:

they looked at me like I was some kind of alcoholic

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directhex|work:

the time before last

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Ruleke:

normally the hallucinogenic effect is never attained because you're too drunk by the time you reach the thujone dose

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TSCHAKWerk:

hugolp: i grew up all over, so i've experienced both sides of that reaction hehe

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directhex|work:

last time i got COMPLETELY rat arsed. on some else's tab. score!

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TSCHAKWerk:

Ruleke: slow and careful..respect the drink :-)

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Ruleke:

hometime

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: hehehe

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TSCHAKWerk:

I don't get pissed any more

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TSCHAKWerk:

i just try to attain that perfect middle

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TSCHAKWerk:

that, "yeah.. I feel perfect."

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TSCHAKWerk:

if I go out drinking with friends etc.

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directhex|work:

i rarely drink these days to be honest

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TSCHAKWerk:

not much anymore.

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directhex|work:

i certainly don't like hangovers

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TSCHAKWerk:

I will never forget leaving London for the states the last time..

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directhex|work:

maybe i'm just getting old. old, i say!

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hugolp:

directhex XD

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TSCHAKWerk:

friends and I had a bottle of red wine, each

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TSCHAKWerk:

and I drank all of mine

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TSCHAKWerk:

dear god

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TSCHAKWerk:

the whole plane ride home

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TSCHAKWerk:

Sam Kinison, screaming in my head

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directhex|work:

1 bottle? lightweight

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TSCHAKWerk:

"OHHH!! OHH!!!!!! YOU FUCKIN DRUNK BASTAAAAAAAAARDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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TSCHAKWerk:

"HOW YOU LIKE THAT NOW HUH?! HERE, DRINK ANOTHER BOTTLE TO KILL THE FUCKING PAIN!!!!!!!!!!"

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directhex|work:

if there's one thing i'm looking forward to for the summer, it's trying local rums

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TSCHAKWerk:

nice

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** TSCHAKWerk prefers a mature scotch, himself. **

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hugolp:

why people get so snob with alcohol with age?

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hugolp:

Im 28 and never bothered really

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TSCHAKWerk:

hugolp: well, i came to the realisation that I didn't like to consume mass quantities of it

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directhex|work:

hugolp, age? i'm 23

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TSCHAKWerk:

hugolp: so i figured, i'd rather learn to be a connoisseur, and respect the good stuff in small quantities.

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hugolp:

TSCHAKWerk: that makes sense

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TSCHAKWerk:

and man, when i started learning scotches and good wines

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TSCHAKWerk:

it all made sense, the things my father would tell me.

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hugolp:

XDD

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TSCHAKWerk:

complex flavours etc

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hugolp:

bla bla bla bla

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hugolp:

its all good

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hugolp:

I just never bothered

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hugolp:

but hobbies are goo

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hugolp:

d

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TSCHAKWerk:

heheh

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TSCHAKWerk:

Glenfiddich 30+........mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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TSCHAKWerk:

most of it evaporates off the tongue before you even swallow.

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TSCHAKWerk:

one glass, and it feels good to be alive.

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TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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hugolp:

TSCHAKWerk: I am understanding why you have to be so carefull with drugs

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TSCHAKWerk:

hugolp: yeah, things mix unpredictably

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Led-Hed:

morning

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TSCHAKWerk:

hugolp: and that's putting it lightly

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm amazed i'm still alive, really.

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sinthetek:

yes, i'm back already :D

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kslater:

Lagavulin

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sinthetek:

i forgot about something else i wanted to ask... is there no keybinding in mplayer to adjust aspect ratio during video playback?

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** TSCHAKWerk just uses the internal player in myth **

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sinthetek:

TSCHAKWerk: do you use the mythvideo plugin?

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tjcarter:

hey all, I've been considering transcoding a bit.

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sinthetek:

TSCHAKWerk: who do you make mythtv use the internal player for external video sources?

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sinthetek:

s/who/how

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directhex|work:

TSCHAKWerk, my uncle invested in wince once as a hobby. i'e tried ~Â£150 bottles of wine. his view, as someone who had hundreds of thousands of dollars invested in wine? buy ~$10 bottles of new-world wine, it's better than any vintage french crap

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directhex|work:

sinthetek, set the player command to "Internal" i think

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tjcarter:

maybe a bit more technically than fits into this channel, but not technically enough (I only understand the rudaments of video encoding) for the dev channel, I think.

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directhex|work:

tjcarter, what's your question?

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TSCHAKWerk:

directhex|work: sometimes bottles from unusual sources can be VERY surprising.

[15:51:24]

TSCHAKWerk:

the california wines are starting to REALLY come into their own.

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TSCHAKWerk:

(finally)

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directhex|work:

yes, definitely

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directhex|work:

argentinian was his top pick

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tjcarter:

well, I record a lot of 4:3 content that's actually just letterboxed, and I'm wondering about clipping out the useless stuff in a transcode first

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TSCHAKWerk:

really? i'll have to shop around :-)

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tjcarter:

The editor doesn't have that feature as far as I'm aware..

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TSCHAKWerk:

I just set aspect ratio to 4:3 or 16:9 Zoom when playing

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hugolp:

Can you recomend me a cheap HDTV USB or PCI card adapter that is well known supported in linux?

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TSCHAKWerk:

if i need it.

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hugolp:

not HDTV but DVB-T

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hugolp:

sorry

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directhex|work:

hugolp, nova-t!

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ben_:

hi :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

you europeans always get the unencrypted TV :-P

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gardengnome:

no ;(

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hugolp:

directhex|work: I got the wintv-nova-t-500 and its got problems in linux

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hugolp:

wich one can I buy that I know for sure its not going to fail

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hugolp:

Ill keep the other one for when the problems are solved

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directhex|work:

the not-dual-tuner nova-t

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hugolp:

directhex|work: ok

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ben_:

i'm new in mythtv, and my signal is no good (like my english ^^) how can i check signal while i'm moving antena ?

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tjcarter:

and second, the part that's probably more for a video compression person, is whether this could be done "inefficiently" so that you get the resolution change, but it winds up being a lossless transcode. It'd be trivial if the resolution cut line is along a "seam" (I don't know what to call that) in MPEG2 data--you just throw away the blocks(? again) that you don't need and call it good. If not, it gets probably a lot harder.

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directhex|work:

ben_, the "i" key i think should tell you your SNR and signal strength

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tjcarter:

I'm not sure the latter can be done within the specification.

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directhex|work:

tjcarter, you can't do that unfortunately. it's need transcoding

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TSCHAKWerk:

tjcarter: there is no way in hell to do those things in that manner.

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TSCHAKWerk:

yeah.

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ben_:

directhex|work, "i" give me "position" menu, not dvb signal :o/

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tjcarter:

TSCHAKWerk: I figured, only doable if it lies on a block seam then.

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ben_:

another idea ?

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tjcarter:

And there's no way to guarantee that it would. =/

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directhex|work:

ben_, use "tzap" from the command line. or an analog equivalent if you don't use dvb-t

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TSCHAKWerk:

you'd have to go inside the GOP for that section and basically wind up reencoding things anyway.

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ben_:

tzap ?

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ben_:

...ok, i'll see :)

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ben_:

thank you

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sinthetek:

directhex: that seems to have worked except now i can't get the color/hue/brightness etc to show up anymore with g :P

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sinthetek:

oh wait, f works

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tjcarter:

well actually, blocks are 16x16 AFAICT, so you could do it if your source resolution happened to guarantee that the 16:9 letterbox fell at some multiple of 16, but that's just convoluted. =D

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hugolp:

directhex|work: what about the WinTV-NOVA-TD or the WinTV-NOVA-Stick? Do you know how they work under linux?

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tzanger:

hmm

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tzanger:

trying to understand the EIT scanner code

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directhex|work:

hugolp, no idea. i've only ever used the normal PCI ones

[16:00:41]

tzanger:

when I'm seeing this, doesn't that indicate that channels have shifted about?

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** tjcarter declares it a PITA and not worth doing unless a transcode is actually necessary--say from MPEG2 to x264 for archiving? ;) **

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tzanger:

tyring to map this in the DB

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hugolp:

directhex|work: ok, thanks

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tzanger:

EITScanner: Now looking for EIT data on multiplex of channel 117

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tzanger:

how can I map this back and see what transponder it's looking at?

[16:01:38]

tzanger:

channel 117 has chanid of 1117

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tzanger:

but how do I convert that back to a trnasponder

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directhex|work:

yay for x264

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ben_:

ok, tzap's good....what's the best signal ? now i have about 9300

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tjcarter:

okay, back to purely user questions (and probably stupid user at that): How do I mark a recording or even a rule as letterboxed so it will do the 4:3 stretch automagically? (I may not want to apply this until sometime next week when I stop using the MythFrontend macintel binary which doesn't do aspect changes correctly)

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juski:

tzanger: select dtv_multiplex from channel where chanid=1117;

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tzanger:

oh for shit skaes, it *was* in the channel table

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juski:

ben_: numbers generally go from $0000 to $FFFF for tzap

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tzanger:

juski: thank you

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tjcarter:

directhex|work: and indeed, yay for x264 ;)

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ben_:

juski, thank's :)

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janneg:

juski: s/dtv_multi/m/

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tzanger:

juski: mplexid though :-)

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tzanger:

thanks, I am an idiot

[16:04:46]

juski:

ben_: higher numbers are usually better for SNR & signal level – unless the dvb card driver reports em upside down like mine always has

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tzanger:

so the EIT scanner goes through the channel list and any channel that has "useonairguide" set to 1 it will tune to that tp and try to retrieve EIT data?

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juski:

tzanger: yop

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juski:

well it'll tune to the mux it's on AFAIK

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tzanger:

hmm I wonder what I've got buggered in the mapping then if it's looking for EIT data for a given channel and not finding it

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tjcarter:

No nuvexport mess.

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tzanger:

i.e. dozens of "Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(59) desired (144)

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juski:

I always suspected PMT wasn't a good thing

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tzanger:

tjcarter: I'm suing MPEG2 with myth (dvb-s) but prefer nuvexport still, as it will snip the commercials out

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gbee:

so does mythtranscode

[16:07:56]

tjcarter:

Would love to have gooey for that process too, but haven't been bothered to try and write one. A sort of "drop a sanely named x264 encoded file in ~ please" =)

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gbee:

but mythtranscode is integrated with mythtv and therefore easier to use

[16:08:51]

tjcarter:

tzanger: Myth's commercial detector is only about 70–80% in my case, especially since I use a PVR-500 and have signal issues pretty much on both inputs still.

[16:09:42]

tjcarter:

tzanger: I usually fix this myself into a proper cutlist in the editor and always start a (lossless) transcode when I'm done.

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juski:

as much as 70%?! jeee you're lucky

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juski:

think of us in the UK as a nation of manual editors

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tjcarter:

heh

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cecil:

5/12/06 2:00 AM GMT join us for a drink in #knoppmyth

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tjcarter:

Actually, once I decide to archive something, I usually want it out of Myth's hands. I would generally do this with stuff I am just saving every episode of.

[16:12:41]

tjcarter:

The Stargates and whatnot =D

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** tjcarter is still deeply saddened by no more SG-1. =( **

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TSCHAKWerk:

me tooo

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TSCHAKWerk:

when is the last episode?

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tjcarter:

so anyway, is there a place I've overlooked for specifying 4:3 stretch for a rule?

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tjcarter:

Last February if you had access to SkyOne ;)

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tjcarter:

No, in about a month and a half.

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gbee:

tjcarter: depends what you want to achieve

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tjcarter:

gbee: I want to not have to press w about four times to get to 4:3 zoom for all the 4:3 signal stuff I record (currently all of it) that happens to be letterboxed.

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morphiu1:

Setting up mythtv and was wondering about display/my hardware. My TV tuner card has a tv out. it is a Huppage Win TV go Plus. It is using the bt878 chipset. Can I use this as the primary display for Live TV and movies and stuff?

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gbee:

tjcarter: appearance settings, 3rd page I believe (Check the option to use different sizes for GUI/Video or something like that) then you can choose to override the aspect ratio for streams of differing dimensions

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tjcarter:

gbee: not all of my streams are letterboxed though..

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gbee:

or alternatively, in the playback settings there is a general aspect ratio rule where you can force everything into the same mode

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tjcarter:

ahha, that's what I'm looking for, thanks.

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tjcarter:

wait, no, I want to do it on a recording rule basis..

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gbee:

tjcarter: ah, well there isn't anything you can currently do to detect the black borders inserted by the broadcaster, the currently rules etc all depend on the stream size varying e.g. in the UK 4:3 stuff is generally broadcast at 704x576 compared the 720x576 for 16:9

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tjcarter:

gbee: I don't need to detect, I just know that eg, Law and Order is letterboxed on NBC, so the rule to record it on NBC should automatically set 4:3 stretch

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gbee:

tjcarter: it was discussed, but I'm not sure if it was ever implemented – however that sort of thing would be in playback groups

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juski:

morphiu1: sorry to break this to you, but your TV tuner does NOT have a tv output

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gbee:

I've just checked, it isn't implemented

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juski:

morphiu1: it has video _inputs_ not outputs. you cannot use it as a display device

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tjcarter:

ahh

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TSCHAKWerk:

humm, still shopping for the cases, and I stop on the Silverstone LC17... it says "quiet" ..and I look at the BIG HONKING FANS and wonder HOW IN THE HELL CAN THAT POSSIBLY BE QUIET?!

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: bigger the fan, the slower it has to spin to shift a given volume of air compared to smaller fans

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tjcarter:

I haven't really ventured into groups yet because I can't delete them without playing with the database the manual way, and I'm a lazy such-and-such who isn't intimately familiar with mysql.

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: so if it has one 19" fan running at 2RPM, it'll be super quiet :)

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: ok

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gardengnome:

<3 big fans

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Zider:

I'm a big fan of big fans ;)

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gbee:

tjcarter: d or menu->delete usually does the trick

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** juski finds a complaint about ProjectGheyhem to ignore **

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TSCHAKWerk:

the LC11 has an 80mm fan

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juski:

does anybody reckon it might be a good idea to change the default group filter to show all recordings ?

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quicksilver:

the LC11 is bloody noisy

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quicksilver:

I don't care because my disks are noisier :P

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TSCHAKWerk:

quicksilver: do you recommend another low profile case?

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quicksilver:

I quite like the LC11 :)

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xris:

quicksilver: really? thought it was supposed to be really quiet

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quicksilver:

I'm exaggerating about the fans, but they could be much better

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TSCHAKWerk:

can mythlcd use these vfd displays?

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Zider:

80mm isn't really big fans.. :P

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quicksilver:

no, exactly

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: can use anything LCDproc works with AFAIK

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quicksilver:

I turned two of them off

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quicksilver:

(I just pulled out their wires)

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quicksilver:

that helps quite a bit :)

[16:34:23]

quicksilver:

I have a great big almost-silent zalman super flower perched on my CPU

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Zider:

I have two 120mm in my main case, set to lowest rpm.. and they're barely noticable..

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juski:

quicksilver: sounds like you need a front panel with loads of flashing lights to spin down your fans

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quicksilver:

the knock-on effect of that is to cool the entire case pretty well

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xris:

TSCHAKWerk: newegg has a semi-media-center cube case with a big 120mm in it

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quicksilver:

juski: the one fan I left plugged in is the one that linux can control via the bios

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gbee:

now why couldn't the idiots behind sata devise a fitting that didn't come loose so easily?

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quicksilver:

juski: so fancontrol works with them

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quicksilver:

and my new hard disks are much noisier

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quicksilver:

so it's all moot, now

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Zider:

gbee: there are, but they're seldom used on mobos

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Zider:

gbee: so blame the mobo manufacturers

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TSCHAKWerk:

xris: url ?

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juski:

anyway back to my question.. anybody else reckon the default group filter should be set to show all recordings initially?

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gbee:

Zider: well that's interesting, although it still begs the question – why ever even allow the crappy one into the spec?

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juski:

gbee: newer generation connectors are much better, believe me

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juski:

gbee: it was rushed. people got products out while the ink was still drying on the spec sheet

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gbee:

my second HDD has been offline for a day because the connection came loose :(

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xris:

TSCHAKWerk: not sure.. I just use their power search to restrict against 80mm fans, etc.

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ben_:

thank you very very much for juski & directhex|work, it works !!! :o)

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juski:

why else could it be that besides the connectors being crappy, some HDDs don't work well with some flavours of controller hmm? ;)

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Zider:

gbee: it's cheaper. :P

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juski:

that's the big stinger about SATA & HDMI & all the other new connector types. they're way cheaper than ole parallel data cables

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TSCHAKWerk:

RUBBER BANDS

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TSCHAKWerk:

and DUCT TAPE

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TSCHAKWerk:

muahahaha

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juski:

hot glue :)

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fryfrog:

i wonder how much cheaper they are, i mean pata has been made a *long* time

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juski:

duct tape has no uses outside the bedroom

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quicksilver:

much like perl

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juski:

fryfrog: they're a _lot_ cheaper

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TSCHAKWerk:

hummm, i wonder how the function knobs on these cases are presented by the system?

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: USB HID prolly

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juski:

wowser. getting loads of daily hits from gentoo fans downloading teh lame theme

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TSCHAKWerk:

quicksilver: is the remote that comes with the lc11 a problem ?

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quicksilver:

TSCHAKWerk: it's supported by recent lirc releases

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quicksilver:

lirc_imon, the driver's called

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quicksilver:

the only bit that doesn't work is the analogue joystick-y bit in the middle

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TSCHAKWerk:

ok

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TSCHAKWerk:

man, i'm gonna have to think on this for a few days

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TSCHAKWerk:

i need to find a store in boston

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TSCHAKWerk:

that specialises in these cases

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TSCHAKWerk:

(htpc stuff)

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quicksilver:

TSCHAKWerk: Oh, I have a 10M+, not an 11. I apologise if some of my advice has been wrong :)

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quicksilver:

TSCHAKWerk: I imagine much of it is still correct

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quicksilver:

TSCHAKWerk: may or may not contain a useful nugget for you

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TSCHAKWerk:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811204015 <-- maybe THAT one

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morphiu1:

I have a huppage card with a video out connector. I want to try using this for display on my TV. How can I set up myth tv to use this

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lucidblue:

hey guys, I'm thinking about trying out mythtv, but just for tv-out...

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lucidblue:

I'm just wondering... if I've got X on a dvi port of my nvidia card, could I make mythtv run on the s-video (tv-out) of that same card...? at the same time..

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morphiu1:

Can you do dual montiors in this manner currently (meaning monitor on vga and using a tv as a secondary display) I'm going to say no.

[17:08:20]

morphiu1:

Just as a first reaction I'm guessing no.

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lucidblue:

morphiu1: I actually was fine, but I'm having trouble since I updated my driver.. but, I can see where the tv encoder chip is picked up in the Xorg.0.log

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lucidblue:

so.. I know it's possible, I think there might be a driver bug, donno, haven't heard back yet, but I didn't know if maybe trying to do two X screens is messing the driver and I've been told that mythtv would have it's own graphical interface, not dealing with X

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lucidblue:

huh, looking at the wiki, it seems like mythtv actually does use X for it's display, is that true?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, yes

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GreyFoxx:

myth is normally used with X11

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lucidblue:

oh, okay.. then I don't think it's a solution to my issue... I may just save up for a pvr-150.. thanks

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GreyFoxx:

You could second card if you want it to have a seperateX/use different output

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GreyFoxx:

or mirror the ports and have X on both tvout and dvi

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lucidblue:

GreyFoxx: yah, I just can't get X to use both ports at the same time with the newer driver, I figured maybe I'd try something different

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juski:

morphiu1: the only hauppauge card with video output is the pvr350. if your card is one of those see www.ivtvdriver.org

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juski:

zomg! can I integrate this new channel into mythtv? http://www.shawlive.tv/

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antiPosix:

ok, I have a cheapo Chaintech NVidia GeForce MX4000 with S-Video out set up. when it comes to my "prefered mpeg decoder" I have libmpeg or xvc and I think something else, what do I want?

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antiPosix:

I cant really tell any difference

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Dagmar:

Leave it at libmpeg normally

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Dagmar:

xvc is probably a dangerous bug

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antiPosix:

how come I have to deinterlace my video? I'm playing back on my TV, I thought deinterlace was only for monitors

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TSCHAKWerk:

antiPosix: probably because your output resolution doesn't match the T

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TSCHAKWerk:

TV exactly

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antiPosix:

I'm using 800x600, I tried 640x480 too

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antiPosix:

could it be my refresh rate?

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gardengnome:

it's everything

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morphiu1:

juski: I have a huppage win tv go plus with a bt878 chipset. It has a tv output. I just don't know if it is supported by the driver

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gardengnome:

!countrysearch

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gbee:

antiPosix: won't make any difference to your current issue, but you want the Standard Decoder and not libmpeg imho

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antiPosix:

anyone use TV-Out with an nvidia chipset that also uses NTSC-M and would like to share the relevant section in their xorg.conf file?

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antiPosix:

I assume all/most TV's use the same horiz and vert refresh rate?

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antiPosix:

because devices like TV dont ask for it, they just assume your TV is like all the other TVs

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antiPosix:

err. devices like TiVo I meant to say

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morphiu1:

juski: nvmd. Pulled up the diagram. Turns out my card is just poorly marked. It is really a video IN.

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gardengnome:

antiPosix: the tv encoder usually breaks $stuff because its timing is different from the timing of the video. the fields don't match, thus you get interlacing artefacts

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gardengnome:

at least that's how i have understood it

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gardengnome:

there are several workarounds, many of them should be documented on the mailing list

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TSCHAKWerk:

hmmmm

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TSCHAKWerk:

I think when all is said and done, my HTPC will be about $1065 in parts

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directhex:

and cheap at half the price!

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TSCHAKWerk:

Core2Duo 2.13Ghz, 2G RAM, Nvidia 8600GTS, 750G disk, NMediaPC HTPC case....

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TSCHAKWerk:

i just move over my tuner setup verbatim.

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TSCHAKWerk:

i'm also considering testing a flash disk for the system drive/database.

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bluey-:

a bit overkill .. dont you think?

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directhex:

for the database? remember flash has limited writes

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juski:

no point unless you'd be doing it to reduce noise/heat

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directhex:

bluey-, for h264 HD?

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juski:

directhex: can that even play h.264 HD without the coreAVC codec?

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TSCHAKWerk:

humm, you're right.

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directhex:

i'd be surprised if it couldn't. i managed HD mpeg2 on my old laptop

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bluey-:

dont know about 1080p but i can play 720p content with 30% cpu usage with mplayer

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juski:

I wouldn't be surprised if it couldn't

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TSCHAKWerk:

I am currently doing 1080p on my 2.0Ghz P4-M laptop.

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TSCHAKWerk:

Nvidia 6600 Go

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juski:

bluey-: 1080p is gonna take way more grunt to play than 720p

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juski:

and h.264 is going to eat like 4 times the cpu of mpeg2

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juski:

there are folks with 3Ghz dual CPU machines who can't play UK HDTV test streams at full framerate

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bluey-:

what about the nvidia card. wouldn't be a passive card better? maybe consider a onboard intel solution

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TSCHAKWerk:

juski: i'm hoping the 8600 will help with HD playback.

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TSCHAKWerk:

the disks are 3.0Gbps SATA

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: it won't help h.264 wise

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juski:

not in linux

[18:25:30]

TSCHAKWerk:

I'm not concerned with h.264 yet

[18:25:36]

directhex:

juski, know of any links to a test video?

[18:25:44]

TSCHAKWerk:

there just isn't enough of it out there to matter.

[18:25:50]

juski:

directhex: nope

[18:25:51]

Fony_Vaio:

TSCHAKWerk: just bought an 8600GT for my dad, it does do hw acceleration only using nvidia's purevideo HD codec in win32.

[18:26:12]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: yeah that's in winblows. good luck with that in linux

[18:26:17]

bluey-:

directhex: http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/

[18:26:32]

Fony_Vaio:

juski: i realise... hopefully something will come out soon :D

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bluey-:

never... :)

[18:26:44]

juski:

hopefully something... pfft

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bluey-:

there is xvmc for mpeg2... thats not enough?

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Fony_Vaio:

juski: gpu's are so underutilised for that kinda thing, surely some kinda standardised framework could be worked out?

[18:27:14]

directhex:

bluey-, for MPEG2, yes

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juski:

bluey-: how t F have they got $ky movies 9 clips?

[18:27:29]

bluey-:

juski: dunno

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directhex:

juski, DVB-S2 and a DRAGON CAM

[18:27:37]

directhex:

presumably

[18:27:41]

directhex:

*cough*

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juski:

ill(cough)egal :)

[18:27:57]

directhex:

well, yes

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TSCHAKWerk:

see i know the purevideo stuff is unsupported

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TSCHAKWerk:

but if i get a fast enough cpu

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TSCHAKWerk:

i should be fine.

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Fony_Vaio:

TSCHAKWerk: yes, i think cpu and cpu/mem bandwidth are the important factors

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juski:

TSCHAKWerk: again not necessarily in linux. ffmpeg isnt threaded properly yet apparently

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directhex:

juski, sounds like the people with dual 3ghz machines suck. that test bbc stream played fine

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juski:

directhex: gonna try on my puny athlong

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Fony_Vaio:

i will try on my craptop in a min

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directhex:

gonna try it on the myth machine downstairs (dual 3ghz :D)

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directhex:

for something mildly less real-world, but still the right codec/res, try http://orange.blender.org/download

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juski:

VLC really doesn't like that

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tatters:

Has the weather plugin been fixed yet?

[18:31:42]

directhex:

juski, try mplayer instead

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juski:

tatters: nope

[18:32:04]

tatters:

grr

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Fony_Vaio:

mplayer started playing it and then quit

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juski:

tatters: see the mailing lists for mythweather-revamp posts

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GreyFoxx:

That bbc one plays fine on my work desktop , yay

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Fony_Vaio:

i heard about 250ms of sound, and the screen flickered as though it was trying to draw the video, then bam mplayer went

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tatters:

juski: thnx,will do

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Fony_Vaio:

does anyone else have problems playing those files with mplayer?

[18:39:47]

juski:

Fony_Vaio: nothing I have will play em

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directhex:

hm, interesting

[18:41:41]

directhex:

the dual 3ghz machine doesn't come close to playing the stream

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juski:

ffmpeg doesn't like em

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juski:

nero showtime played the audio of one of them ok

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directhex:

Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family

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directhex:

Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264)

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juski:

gonna try a newer mplayer

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TSCHAKWerk:

you have to use mplayer from cvs/svn

[18:44:32]

TSCHAKWerk:

is there any reason whatsoever for buying UPnP media players (like the Dlink media stations etc?)

[18:44:33]

Fony_Vaio:

gah, don't suppose there's debs around for that

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TSCHAKWerk:

ohh boo hoo :-P

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juski:

ROFLMAO

[18:44:53]

juski:

about 1fps

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Fony_Vaio:

TSCHAKWerk: i use the 360

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directhex:

also interesting: it's better windowed than fullscreened

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directhex:

Fony_Vaio, with myth?

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Fony_Vaio:

that reminds me, can i transcode to quicktime?

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directhex:

Fony_Vaio, quicktime's a container format, not a codec

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xris:

directhex: it's sort of both.

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Fony_Vaio:

directhex, hm, i want to stream quicktime movs over my network

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xris:

Fony_Vaio: nuvexport can transcode to h264 .mp4 files like apple sells on itunes

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** juski lets his cpu cool down for a bit **

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xris:

but nothing for streaming

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xris:

juski: you see my mythtv.org mockup page?

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juski:

xris: yeah. don't think much of the logo revamps

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directhex:

xris, it's got codecs it's commonly paired with, but it's still a container

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kslater:

and don't forgot a desert topping and floor wax

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xris:

Fony_Vaio: container can hold just about anything.

[18:50:08]

xris:

it's just a container.

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xris:

usually holds h.264 (the industry's current favorite), or could hold older quicktime codecs like sorenson, etc.

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Fony_Vaio:

aha

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Fony_Vaio:

h.264 is ok

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juski:

directhex: the test broadcasts are 18–19Mbits/sec & they're quite likely to be that in real life

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Fony_Vaio:

i thought that was only for hd, but if i can use it for anything, then it's perfect

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xris:

Fony_Vaio: it's what all of the ipod-compatible tv/movie stuff on the itunes store is encoded in.

[18:52:00]

xris:

I use it for mythtv exports via nuvexport, too, so I know it works.

[18:52:02]

Fony_Vaio:

xris, so let me rephrase given my new enlightenment (thanks). Can myth transcode to h.264 in a mpeg4 container?

[18:52:02]

directhex:

juski, eep

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juski:

directhex: nah. OYAY!

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xris:

although for some reason quicktime ignores the aspect ratio setting (ipod works fine, though)

[18:52:26]

juski:

directhex: means it'll not look like blocky shite like $ly HD does :)

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xris:

Fony_Vaio: mythtv cannot. nuvexport can.

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directhex:

juski, remind me tomorrow to try playback on my office pc, which is pretty gargantuan

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Fony_Vaio:

xris: right. and can i automate that to make all my recordings h.264, and will they still be playable in myth?

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juski:

my athlong 2800XP was just laughed at :(

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xris:

Fony_Vaio: automate export, sure.. re-import back to mythtv isn't recommended.

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juski:

any links to 1080 mpeg2 clips?

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juski:

I could prolly live with transcoding to mpeg2

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Fony_Vaio:

xris: ah, so myth can't play h.264 natively? it can only play it's own format (mpeg2?)

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TSCHAKWerk:

hehehe

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juski:

kslater: go for broke.. 1080p

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kslater:

actually nm. I have only atsc

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tzanger:

hmm, ok I see ow a channel maps to a transponder through dtv_multiplex... where is mythtv storing its pid and a/v program streams?

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juski:

only legal stuff please..

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kslater:

and there'd be that issue

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juski:

tzanger: it doesn't store them

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juski:

tzanger: it used to but that messed with people whose streams' PIDs change on the fly.. like UK dvb-t viewers

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tzanger:

juski: ahh ok it tunes and listens for the info to come in from the trnasponder?

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xris:

juski: less than 45 seconds should be legal, at least in the US

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juski:

it looks in the tables within the stream, tzanger

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tzanger:

juski: right okay, that solves that mystery then. :-)

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Fony_Vaio:

xris: ok, here's another one... could i transcode myth recordings to h.264 on the fly?

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xris:

Fony_Vaio: not without a REALLY fast machine.

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juski:

Fony_Vaio: yeah if you have a octal core duo cluster skulling around somewhere

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xris:

my pentium D gets about 10fps when encoding h.264

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xris:

and that's low-res SD stuff

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Fony_Vaio:

xris: :( it's only a 3.2Ghz Prescott with 1GB DDR400.

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tzanger:

hmm I think I need to rescan the channels...

[18:57:40]

tzanger:

what myth has seems at odds with lyngsat in some cases

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xris:

Fony_Vaio: so expect closer to 16fps

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Fony_Vaio:

doh

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juski:

tzanger: did you import a channels.conf or scan?

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tzanger:

juski: do or should I clear the channel table before rescanning (I scanned before, about 30 days ago or so)

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juski:

cos if you imported channels.conf, EIT data won't work

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tzanger:

no the only guide data source I have is EIT

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tzanger:

I scanned to get them

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juski:

ok then

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directhex:

juski, if the office desktop doesn't work, there's always the office non-desktop. if 2 cores isn't enough, how about 152?

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tzanger:

juski: is it preferably to completely clear out the channel table before rescanning?

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gardengnome:

how about "video decoding is not necessarily threaded"? :)

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directhex:

grr! then it should be!

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juski:

janneg: nice clips :)

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directhex:

why the hell do i bother with a graphics card and big monitor if the video codecs can't use everything?

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janneg:

juski: for trunk and 0.20.1 that's not longer true. EIT will also work with channels.conf import

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directhex:

how about the half terabyte of ram? that's enough for blootube, right?

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gardengnome:

janneg: yay!

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juski:

directhex: nah

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juski:

janneg: nice!

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juski:

won't ask ;)

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gardengnome:

directhex: unless you're running your display at 1080p

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directhex:

gardengnome, it's 4:3. stupid sgi :(

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juski:

you need blootube-imax then

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directhex:

i will now go and make burgers of infinite burgerness

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spinull:

what port is it i should forward to watch tv across the internet

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janneg:

spinull: don't do that, use a vpn

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directhex:

spinull, you have a multi-megabit upload speed?

[19:09:34]

spinull:

yes

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spinull:

i know what im doing

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spinull:

for the most part

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TSCHAKWerk:

must be nice

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spinull:

knowing what your doing?

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spinull:

its over rated

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TSCHAKWerk:

spinull: don't make me give you a mushroom print. :-P

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spinull:

wow now

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tzanger:

hmm, is there any particular difference between a transponder and a multiplex? They seem to mean the same thing to myth?

[19:10:44]

TSCHAKWerk:

:-)

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spinulll:

it is nice

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juski:

tzanger: same thing

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janneg:

tzanger: transponder is the part of the satellite that transmits the data. multiplex is the data itself, but you can assume that both mean the same

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tzanger:

okay, good... heh :-)

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spinull:

gd it

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spinull:

i f'en hate wireless

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Fony_Vaio:

ok, i'm still kinda confused. are there multiple mpeg-4 formats? ie. not h.264

[19:14:57]

Fony_Vaio:

spinull, maybe interference?

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tzanger:

hmm is it normal to see this a few times during a recording or livetv show?

[19:15:23]

tzanger:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb72ea4c8]mb incr damaged

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tzanger:

[mpeg2video @ 0xb72ea4c8]00 motion_type at 1 28

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tzanger:

(guessing uncorrectable data was received from the sky?)

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juski:

tzanger: stuff happens

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juski:

even with 100% signal

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tzanger:

juski: ok, os that is to be expected from time to time

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juski:

tzanger: it's all alright so long as the picture & audio don't go PPCHHHHHHHHHHHHHT!!!!!!!!!

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tzanger:

heh no it seems good :-)

[19:18:59]

tzanger:

but just for hte logs, can you describe how a picture and audio shouldn't go? :-)

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juski:

Dagmar: you about?

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** Fony_Vaio feels stupid as the penny drops... **

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Dagmar:

Yes, I am

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juski:

Dagmar: you know the v. spiffy diagrams you did for the wiki.. did you draw em all from scratch?

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Dagmar:

ABout the only thing I didn't draw was the little computer icons and the one flatpanel stuck on the side of one. I basically extrapolated the style for most of the rest

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spinull:

much better

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spinull:

had to switch to linux

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Fony_Vaio:

spinull, kicked the wlan into touch?

[19:23:11]

spinull:

it was windows being gay

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Fony_Vaio:

heh

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spinull:

as usual

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juski:

Dagmar: looking for the kind of icons you used.. I can't draw pictograms to save my life

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Fony_Vaio:

as always...

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spinull:

im installing a the frontend now

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Dagmar:

juski: Visio, but mainly their stuff is a bunch of different styules

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spinull:

but i need to forward the port on a router

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spinull:

because i am behind a network bridge

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spinull:

and thus another router

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spinull:

so yes, i have a multi meg upload

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spinull:

heh

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Dagmar:

juski: Maybe hit up images.google.com for "infographics" and stare until the style gels in your head

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spinull:

could i yank a mini-pci card out of my laptop while it was running?

[19:25:19]

spinull:

and install a new one?

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spinull:

i know that sounds stupid

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spinull:

and dangerous

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Fony_Vaio:

spinull, don't do it. imo

[19:26:12]

juski:

Dagmar: it's more 3d stuff I'm after – or really hints on how to draw a cube with rounded corners in 3d

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spinull:

but i have a broadcom wifi card, and an atheros to replace it

[19:26:35]

spinull:

but hp laptops wont accept a replacement card

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Fony_Vaio:

spinull, m-pci is not hot-swappable, it's just a sff version of pci spec, afaik.

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Fony_Vaio:

spinull, how do you mean "won't accept"?

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spinull:

locked bios

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Fony_Vaio:

ouch

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spinull:

why, idfk

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Fony_Vaio:

so linux can't even see it on the pci bus when you boot up?

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spinull:

no it does

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spinull:

but linux+broadcom = shit

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Fony_Vaio:

i mean the atheros

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Fony_Vaio:

can linus see the atheros with lspci

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spinull:

i can't get into any os

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Fony_Vaio:

*linux

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Fony_Vaio:

oh, wow, it locks it that hard, eh?

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Fony_Vaio:

tried a newer bios version?

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spinull:

it says "Unsupported wireless card detected, please remove and reboot"

[19:28:35]

spinull:

or some crap

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spinull:

yea

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Fony_Vaio:

can you disable the wlan in the bios?

[19:28:42]

spinull:

yea

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spinull:

but that won't help me

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Fony_Vaio:

tried disabling it and then putting the new card in?

[19:28:57]

spinull:

yeah

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spinull:

still says it

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Fony_Vaio:

hm... sucks

[19:29:13]

spinull:

HP blows

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Fony_Vaio:

it must just look at the PCI id's

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Fony_Vaio:

if only you could fake 'em

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spinull:

you can

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Fony_Vaio:

or mod the bios to accept the pci string from the new atheros card

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tzanger:

hmm... one more question for the dvb-s folk... would it be worthwhile to turn *OFF* the "useonairguide" setting for all channels *except* for the EPG "channel" for a given dish?

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spinull:

but that was a long process, and i dind't want to go that route

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Fony_Vaio:

true... looks like you stuck

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spinull:

yeah

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Fony_Vaio:

how about a bios downgrade?

[19:30:11]

Fony_Vaio:

maybe older version won't be so fussy?

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spinull:

won't let me downgrade either

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spinull:

its too f'en smart

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Fony_Vaio:

heh

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Fony_Vaio:

spinull, model?

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spinull:

dv8000

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spinull:

presario

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spinull:

no

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spinull:

sorry

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spinull:

pavilion

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Fony_Vaio:

looks like hp is playing the same game with other models..

[19:33:28]

Fony_Vaio:

http://www.richud.com/HP-Pavilion-104-Bios-Fix/

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Fony_Vaio:

same idea i had, seems to work

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Fony_Vaio:

up to you if you like to get your hands dirty

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Fony_Vaio:

but i think you have few options if you really want atheros

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JoeyJoeJo:

where can I find the most up to date romdb table? the latest one I found was from 2005 and it doesn't have a bunch of roms in it

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spinull:

br

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spinull:

b

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GreyFoxx:

JoeyJoeJo: http://www.phaze.org/romdb/

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GreyFoxx:

JoeyJoeJo: The latest 20051116

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of roms are missing?

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spinull:

where is the myth databas pw stored

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GreyFoxx:

spinull: look for a mysql.txt

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JoeyJoeJo:

greyfoxx: I just downloaded all the mame .114 roms, and it doesn't have some of them

[19:43:11]

spinull:

nvm

[19:43:12]

spinull:

found it

[19:43:12]

GreyFoxx:

it can be under ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or depending on whoever packaged your distro is just about anywhere else on the system

[19:43:40]

GreyFoxx:

JoeyJoeJo: The last time romdb was sync'd to the xmame list was back in Nov 2005

[19:43:47]

GreyFoxx:

one of these days I'll do a resync

[19:43:55]

GreyFoxx:

to catch any changes or updates

[19:44:25]

GreyFoxx:

I'll write a tool for extracting ones that you edit yourself as well so that users can submit updates

[19:44:43]

JoeyJoeJo:

maybe I can help.. is this something kinda easy to do?

[19:44:49]

JoeyJoeJo:

the sync that is

[19:44:53]

GreyFoxx:

No

[19:45:24]

GreyFoxx:

basically an xml file has to be parsed, and compared to the database looking for additions and any that look to be changes

[19:45:27]

JoeyJoeJo:

dang.. what format is the xmame list in? txt?

[19:45:36]

GreyFoxx:

an xml text file

[19:46:00]

GreyFoxx:

It's not nuclear bomb difficult, but it's not trivial either

[19:46:18]

GreyFoxx:

mostly just a matter of sitting down and going over it for an hour or so

[19:46:44]

spinull:

:(

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spinull:

when i open the frontend it keeps asking me to configure it

[19:47:23]

spinull:

iv put in the hostname and password for the backend

[19:47:31]

GreyFoxx:

sounds like it's not finding the mysql.txt

[19:47:45]

spinull:

on this maching or the backend

[19:47:51]

JoeyJoeJo:

how did you end up doing it? was it a bash command that inject the data to the mysql table?

[19:49:14]

spinull:

do i need to tell the backend another machine is connecting to it?

[19:49:26]

GreyFoxx:

JoeyJoeJo: No, I've written scripts/tools to do it

[19:49:37]

GreyFoxx:

perl scripts that parse the xml and compare to the DB

[19:49:51]

GreyFoxx:

spinull: No, but you do need to tell mysql that another machine is connecting to it

[19:49:59]

GreyFoxx:

otherwise it wont be aloowed to connect

[19:50:25]

spinull:

how?

[19:50:39]

GreyFoxx:

you need to use a grant line

[19:50:57]

spinull:

looking into it

[19:50:58]

gbee:

shout into the microphone "mysql, let me connect!"

[19:51:07]

GreyFoxx:

grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'OTHERIPHERE' identified by 'YOURPASSHERE';

[19:51:11]

GreyFoxx:

flush privileges;

[19:52:37]

spinull:

where do i do that?

[19:52:58]

GreyFoxx:

you have to run the mysql client, connect as the mysql root user and issue it

[19:52:59]

spinull:

can i use the hostnames and prey the dns will work?

[19:53:35]

GreyFoxx:

I always use IP's in mysql myself, ymmv

[19:53:42]

** GreyFoxx heads out to pickup his daughter **

[19:53:50]

spinull:

i should, dns is unreliable here

[19:53:51]

spinull:

thanks

[19:55:26]

juski:

gbee: is the funny thing with the red light on its underside the microphone?

[19:55:47]

gbee:

sure, why not?

[19:56:24]

spinull:

its the feds

[19:56:39]

spinull:

they are trying to watch tv

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xris:

GreyFoxx: don't actually need to flush privs if you use GRANT. it's just helpful

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Fony_Vaio:

if i use nuvexport to transcode my myth recordings into another format such as asf, can i automate this? and then force those exported files to be deleted at the same time i delete my myth recordings?

[20:25:01]

directhex:

asf is also a container format!

[20:25:26]

Fony_Vaio:

gah, sorry.. i meant MS-MPEG4

[20:25:56]

opello:

VP-1?

[20:26:01]

opello:

er, VC

[20:26:41]

spinull:

ok

[20:26:44]

spinull:

i can't figure this out

[20:27:24]

spinull:

im trying to run the FE on my laptop and the BE on another computer

[20:27:55]

Fony_Vaio:

spinull, i have that config at home.

[20:27:58]

spinull:

i set the backend to use its ip (not loopback)

[20:28:07]

spinull:

and the FE to use that ip

[20:28:14]

spinull:

what else do i need to do now?

[20:28:25]

Fony_Vaio:

so what's the problem? error?

[20:28:35]

tzanger:

hmm myth seems hell-bent on finding program #241, ut it's not in the PAT

[20:28:36]

spinull:

when i run the FE it keeps asking me to configure it

[20:29:28]

juski:

spinull: did you restart the backend after changing the IP address?

[20:29:34]

spinull:

yes

[20:29:54]

juski:

spinull: can you connect to http://ip.ad.dre.ss:6544/

[20:29:54]

spinull:

cause to change it i had to kill it

[20:29:59]

tzanger:

what the hell's it want program 241 for, it's not in an upcoming schedule and nobody's watching livetv

[20:30:26]

spinull:

yes

[20:30:53]

Fony_Vaio:

spinull, is mythbackend running?

[20:31:04]

Fony_Vaio:

ps aux | grep myth

[20:31:16]

spinull:

checking

[20:31:39]

spinull:

yes

[20:31:45]

Fony_Vaio:

and check if it's listening on default port...

[20:31:47]

Fony_Vaio:

netstat -lnt | grep 6543

[20:32:07]

Fony_Vaio:

tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6543 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN

[20:32:15]

spinull:

one entry

[20:32:18]

spinull:

says listen

[20:32:22]

spinull:

tcp

[20:32:32]

Fony_Vaio:

k, then it should be ready to accept connections

[20:32:37]

Fony_Vaio:

check the logs?

[20:32:57]

xris:

spinull: run `mythfrontend -v all` and what kind of errors do you get?

[20:34:51]

spinull:

http://pastebin.ca/481430

[20:34:55]

Fony_Vaio:

on the backend, you can run something like "tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log" and then try to connect the fe, see if a connection attempt is made.

[20:34:56]

spinull:

a bunch of those

[20:36:47]

xris:

spinull: did you grant permissions on the db?

[20:37:01]

juski:

got the qt3 mysql client libs installed?

[20:37:08]

Fony_Vaio:

yeah

[20:37:20]

spinull:

i guess not

[20:37:24]

spinull:

:(

[20:37:25]

Fony_Vaio:

and make sure you don't mistype "mythconverg" there's no e on the end

[20:37:29]

Dagmar:

juski: I was serious about what I said earlier about looking at stuff until it "starts to make sense"

[20:37:30]

Fony_Vaio:

:D

[20:37:38]

spinull:

how do i do it?

[20:37:40]

juski:

Dagmar: heh

[20:37:44]

Fony_Vaio:

gg, later

[20:37:57]

xris:

spinull: scroll back. GreyFoxx told you how

[20:37:58]

juski:

spinull: those should get installed as they're pretty fscking important dependencies

[20:38:02]

Dagmar:

juski: I pretty much have to spend two hours giving okuda-style graphics the hairy eyeball before I can make decisions about this slow-developing lcars theme

[20:38:17]

juski:

Dagmar: know that feeling.

[20:38:30]

spinull:

i didn't understand what he was saying

[20:38:41]

spinull:

and now its up too far

[20:38:43]

juski:

spinull: why didn't you say you didn't understand?

[20:38:50]

spinull:

he was leaving anyway

[20:39:11]

spinull:

family is more important that my mythbox

[20:39:24]

juski:

spinull: look in http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1 :)

[20:39:59]

directhex:

Fony_Vaio, have you managed to make the 360 actually see the mythbox?

[20:40:13]

juski:

hell i'm tired. I should go have a rest from the PC

[20:40:25]

spinull:

that only has about 30 lines

[20:40:43]

spinull:

and won't help if i didn't understnad what he was telling me to do

[20:41:29]

spinull:

i just need a link

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spinull:

oh snap

[20:51:53]

spinull:

i might be able to use my cablebox with mythv

[20:51:59]

spinull:

through the serial port

[20:53:12]

xris:

spinull: you have HD?

[20:53:32]

spinull:

not yet

[20:53:33]

spinull:

i will

[20:53:58]

spinull:

but my tuner isn't hd :(

[20:54:05]

spinull:

so i'll have to get a new one

[20:54:11]

spinull:

and its for a laptop, so my options are limited

[20:54:13]

directhex:

through the serial port?

[20:54:18]

spinull:

changing channel

[20:54:20]

spinull:

i meant

[20:54:31]

directhex:

how do you plan on sending HD data, which is ~20 megabit per second, through a serial port, which peaks at 0.1megabit?

[20:54:41]

directhex:

ah. how do you plan on recording the HD material then

[20:55:00]

spinull:

with an HD tuner

[20:55:04]

spinull:

that i'll have to buy

[20:55:12]

kormoc:

spinull, such as?

[20:55:24]

spinull:

you tell me

[20:55:26]

spinull:

your the expert

[20:55:42]

kormoc:

spinull, typically, you just can't

[20:56:02]

spinull:

i can't record HD?

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kormoc:

spinull, the cable box outputs HD in a select few ways, HDMI, DVI, or Component, there are no (linux supported) ways to get those streams

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spinull:

firewire?

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kormoc:

spinull, this is why firewire is the perfered way

[20:56:44]

spinull:

and the laptop doesn't have a firewire port either

[20:56:46]

spinull:

dang it

[20:57:12]

cal_:

getting ' MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding ' when trying to watch livetv.. any ideas?

[20:57:31]

spinull:

power cycle your modem

[20:57:33]

spinull:

tail -f

[20:57:39]

spinull:

woops

[20:58:28]

spinull:

kormoc, could i get a pcmcia firewire card?

[20:59:24]

spinull:

idk how fast pcmcia is, but id think it would work

[20:59:37]

kormoc:

spinull, should be able to

[20:59:48]

spinull:

problem solved

[21:00:15]

spinull:

so i'll get a card for like $30 and get HD service and i should be set.... now what to do with my tuner

[21:00:35]

ubuntuEdgy:

you know when the backend is not doing any thing and it shuts down. is it possible to have it hibernate or s3. that way it come back online faster ?

[21:02:34]

hads:

cal_: Looks like ivtv has borked. Try unloading and reloading the module.

[21:02:41]

spinull:

my toilet just exploded, water must be back on

[21:03:37]

spinull:

kormoc, coax doesn't support HD??

[21:04:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

no lol

[21:04:24]

spinull:

then why have i seen HD pci cards with coax inputs

[21:04:35]

ubuntuEdgy:

how can it, ?

[21:04:43]

spinull:

why couldn't it

[21:04:43]

directhex:

ATSC

[21:04:48]

spinull:

oh yeah

[21:04:54]

cal_:

hads: ive rebooted several times

[21:05:03]

spinull:

you on windows?

[21:05:10]

spinull:

</bad joke>

[21:05:28]

ubuntuEdgy:

:P

[21:06:14]

hads:

Then it's probably not that :)

[21:06:18]

cal_:

i just turned in on again after gettting the error last night

[21:06:19]

cal_:

lol

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ubuntuEdgy:

most of you guys must have the backends on 24/7

[21:07:06]

cal_:

hads: i know its getting signal because the channel finder skipped the channels that i know arnt available.

[21:07:24]

ubuntuEdgy:

you all wrecking the planet.

[21:07:28]

cal_:

but i have yet to see a video signal

[21:07:56]

spinull:

my backend is working

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spinull:

bud id like a link to setting mysql database to allow my laptop to connect to it

[21:08:25]

spinull:

cause im a fuck tard and don't know how

[21:08:44]

gardengnome:

ah

[21:08:50]

gardengnome:

wait a second, i'll get one for you

[21:09:00]

spinull:

awesome

[21:09:12]

spinull:

the backend is on another machine, fyi

[21:09:45]

ubuntuEdgy:

spinull: you use wires ?

[21:10:04]

ubuntuEdgy:

if so then just install a frontend on then laptop

[21:10:21]

ubuntuEdgy:

then type the ip of the backend

[21:10:47]

ubuntuEdgy:

(that's it you're done)

[21:11:10]

spinull:

thats what i did

[21:11:12]

spinull:

and it didn't work

[21:11:21]

hads:

You forgot the bit about granting access to mysql

[21:11:36]

spinull:

yeah, thats the bit i need

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ubuntuEdgy:

arr thats easy

[21:12:30]

spinull:

oh

[21:12:35]

spinull:

we'll see about that

[21:13:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

the mythtv wikki shows it in detail.https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

[21:14:01]

hads:

That's not the mythtv wiki...

[21:14:13]

spinull:

no, but i think i got it

[21:14:16]

spinull:

now to try it out

[21:15:38]

spinull:

how do you exit the mysql> prompt

[21:15:42]

ubuntuEdgy:

spinull; you have to edit sudo nano /etc/mysql/my.cnf

[21:15:50]

ubuntuEdgy:

cntrol +c

[21:16:04]

spinull:

i did but it says "aborted" usually that means its not saved

[21:16:40]

ubuntuEdgy:

try q

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ubuntuEdgy:

or type quite

[21:17:36]

ubuntuEdgy:

and the restart mysql sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart

[21:17:50]

hads:

Not CTRL-C!

[21:17:55]

spinull:

werd

[21:17:57]

ubuntuEdgy:

ok ok ok

[21:18:00]

spinull:

what is it?

[21:18:22]

ubuntuEdgy:

is it not "q"

[21:18:23]

hads:

CTRL-d

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahh

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ubuntuEdgy:

don't forget to restart.

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spinull:

ok

[21:21:14]

spinull:

here is what i typed, and it is still asking me to configure it

[21:21:36]

spinull:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"spinull" identified by "mythtv";

[21:21:43]

spinull:

just like that

[21:22:19]

spinull:

oh

[21:22:25]

spinull:

dns isn't working

[21:22:29]

spinull:

gd it

[21:23:42]

ubuntuEdgy:

spinull I'm very curious, whats you htpc hardware

[21:24:01]

spinull:

htpc?

[21:24:05]

hads:

spinull: If you're on a secure LAN you could use % as the host.

[21:24:17]

spinull:

hads, im not

[21:24:18]

ubuntuEdgy:

wire wireless

[21:24:25]

spinull:

im using wireless

[21:24:30]

hads:

spinull: OK then :)

[21:26:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

all you need to do is, "allow outside hosts to connect"

[21:26:20]

ubuntuEdgy:

some thing like that

[21:27:05]

spinull:

im just doing what the guide said to do

[21:27:31]

hads:

Probably safer than listening to random people on IRC>

[21:27:32]

spinull:

im not trusting someone who says "something like that"

[21:27:42]

spinull:

heh

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spinull:

anyone know how to make the box get a fuckin netbios name

[21:28:36]

spinull:

nmblookup wont find it

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ubuntuEdgy:

not using the guide i see ?

[21:30:03]

xris:

spinull: please don't swear

[21:30:14]

xris:

at least, not in a complete word.

[21:30:30]

spinull:

...

[21:30:35]

spinull:

fiiiiiiine

[21:30:40]

spinull:

:P

[21:30:44]

hendrixski:

hey, I've been thinking about this for a long time, I want to get into development on mythtv....

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hendrixski:

ubuntuEdgy, which guide?

[21:31:12]

juski:

what on Earth is this all about? RUWT? are they just spamming the mailing list or something?

[21:31:22]

ubuntuEdgy:

the one i sent

[21:31:34]

hads:

hendrixski: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ Ther's a bit that reads "Wanting to help out?"

[21:31:50]

directhex:

random undulating welsh terriers?

[21:32:06]

juski:

directhex: http://areyouwatchingthis.com

[21:32:11]

hendrixski:

hads, sweet

[21:32:22]

directhex:

hendrixski, for a large project, myth is remarkably understandable and patchable. i even had code in myth for a while :o

[21:32:23]

spinull:

ok, the FE is still making me configure it every time

[21:32:37]

spinull:

im rebooting the backend

[21:32:58]

directhex:

spinull, make sure in your rc2.d folder, services are started in the order mysql->mythbackend->gdm

[21:33:09]

hendrixski:

I just svn'ed and compiled the source code a few days ago, now I did the same thing in chroot... and have it open in Eclipse

[21:33:41]

xris:

hendrixski: we welcome dev help.

[21:33:43]

hendrixski:

directhex, I don't see any comments on the code... where would I go to for that, or is it in the link hads sent me?

[21:34:21]

xris:

hendrixski: if you *really* want to make the devs happy, fixing bugs is a really good way to do it. :)

[21:34:21]

spinull:

i welcome troubleshooting help

[21:34:24]

spinull:

:)

[21:34:54]

directhex:

hendrixski, it might be. i was talking generally though – like most free software projects, you tend to work on scratching an itch rather than on things you're not interested in

[21:35:01]

spinull:

wtf is going on with this

[21:35:27]

xris:

spinull: odd. sounds like maybe the settings aren't getting saved?

[21:35:39]

cal_:

getting ' MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding ' when trying to watch livetv.. any ideas?

[21:35:55]

xris:

cal_: reboot?

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hads:

xris: I went through that. Aparently something is broken :)

[21:36:35]

hendrixski:

directhex, I'm thinking about scratching an itch...

[21:36:52]

juski:

hendrixski: hopefully not an itch to have a video wall feature :)

[21:36:59]

xris:

hads: ?

[21:37:00]

hendrixski:

video wall??

[21:37:05]

juski:

or to do away with recording livetv :)

[21:37:29]

spinull:

when the FE opens, the same settings are there that i put in last time

[21:37:37]

spinull:

but it won't connect to the backend

[21:37:41]

cal_:

xris: yeah several times.. havent gotten video yet, but it can scan my channels from /dev/video0 and get the correct ones.

[21:37:48]

hendrixski:

well... I didn't see a plugin for watching stuff democracy-player style... that's kind of an itch

[21:37:59]

hads:

xris: A while ago on my backend the PVR firmware was getting into a strange state. I thought that's what might be happening to cal_, but he's had his backend off all day so it can't be that.

[21:38:05]

cal_:

so why does ivtv work when scanning but not when actually trying to watch video?

[21:38:09]

juski:

hendrixski: not gonna be popular, that one I can tell you now

[21:38:41]

directhex:

hendrixski, combining the words "mythtv" and "torrent" tends to cause stress

[21:38:43]

xris:

hendrixski: there is an official "dev's request list" in trac, and an unofficial "user wishlist" on the wiki (which the devs don't really look at much). we do of course take other features submissions if the code is good, though I would recommend asking in #mythtv first, since someone might already be working on your idea.

[21:38:45]

juski:

good luck with it though :) some unofficial plugins do ok in the wild

[21:39:12]

hendrixski:

juski, like some of the ones on sourceforge?

[21:39:18]

cal_:

hads: yeah, this is a new box. ive never gotten video yet, i just get that error, so its not like i was getting video then it stopped.

[21:39:19]

juski:

hendrixski: nope

[21:39:32]

xris:

cal_: sounds like you might have a driver config issue or something

[21:40:15]

cal_:

xris: yeah i am not sure where to start

[21:40:19]

juski:

anyway.. bedtime!

[21:40:40]

hendrixski:

directhex, oh right... and there's no way really to get that content without torrents right?

[21:40:49]

cal_:

xris: is it possible i have something set wrong in mythtv-setup?

[21:40:58]

xris:

cal_: have you checked the ivtv section of the wilsonet guide? much of the stuff there is distro-agnostic.

[21:41:02]

spinull:

how can i verify the backend is allowing access

[21:41:05]

cal_:

or, if channel finding is working, do i know i am good there?

[21:41:31]

xris:

spinull: -v all

[21:41:37]

spinull:

...

[21:41:53]

spinull:

mythbackend -v all?

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cal_:

xris: i tried the cat /dev/video .. do i just control-C that after 10 seconds, since it just keeps running?

[21:42:02]

hads:

Yes

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hendrixski:

xris, I'll look at the devs request thing

[21:42:18]

cal_:

my file size is 0 after i control-c

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hendrixski:

juski, oh, does mythstream count as an unnoficial plugin that did well in the wild?

[21:43:14]

cal_:

does that mean my input isnt set right?

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spinull:

thats not telling me anything i want to know

[21:46:05]

spinull:

all i see is Autoexpire recording errors

[21:46:14]

spinull:

and i don't care about that right now

[21:47:09]

cal_:

where is wilsonet?

[21:47:13]

dolphin:

ctrl-x is nano

[21:47:19]

spinull:

hes not here helping me

[21:47:19]

dolphin:

woops

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xris:

dolphin: :wq is definitely the way to go. :)

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hads:

:)

[21:47:52]

xris:

cal_: google "wilsonet mythtv" (without the quotes)

[21:48:12]

spinull:

anymore ideas

[21:48:17]

dolphin:

spinull: http://pastebin.ca/481560

[21:48:18]

spinull:

cause im about to get a tivo

[21:48:24]

dolphin:

those are the commands i used at the point you're att

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dolphin:

spinull, you should be able to copy & paste each line that doesn't start with a ----

[21:49:27]

spinull:

i'll give it a shot

[21:49:33]

dolphin:

lemme know how it works

[21:49:48]

spinull:

will do

[21:51:28]

spinull:

and i paste that in the my.cnf?

[21:51:49]

ubuntuEdgy:

read it,

[21:51:59]

ubuntuEdgy:

it tells you what to do

[21:52:36]

hendrixski:

also... one question that I've always wondered about...

[21:52:36]

ubuntuEdgy:

anyway im off to bed

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ubuntuEdgy:

/

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hendrixski:

there are a few companies who sell computers with mythtv...

[21:52:58]

hendrixski:

are there companies that sell pvrs with mythtv?

[21:53:16]

dolphin:

what companies sell computers with mythtv?

[21:53:27]

ubuntuEdgy:

yeh?

[21:53:29]

hendrixski:

dolphin, Monolith or whatever it's called

[21:53:52]

dolphin:

i don't see why you'd sell a computer with myth, but not a tv tuner???

[21:54:30]

spinull:

dolphin

[21:54:39]

spinull:

i can't use mysql -p

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ubuntuEdgy:

i doubt you will find many/ or any

[21:54:50]

spinull:

it asks for the password and no matter what i type its wrong

[21:55:34]

spinull:

cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt shows the password i typed

[21:55:37]

dolphin:

spinull: you using ubuntu?

[21:55:40]

spinull:

yes

[21:55:42]

hendrixski:

dolphin, so there aren't any legal issues?

[21:55:47]

dolphin:

type sudo -s

[21:56:07]

dolphin:

hendrixski: pretty sure there isn't...otherwise Tivos wouldn't exist, right?

[21:56:12]

spinull:

im root now

[21:56:14]

spinull:

i was before

[21:56:24]

dolphin:

just making sure...it's easier than typing sudo before every command

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dolphin:

try this: mysql -u root mythtv -p

[21:56:53]

hendrixski:

dolphin, good point

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spinull:

same

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dolphin:

spinull: might even need to try: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server

[21:57:06]

dolphin:

and give a new password

[21:57:25]

spinull:

Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[21:57:31]

spinull:

which is not my password

[21:57:33]

spinull:

nor what i typed

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dolphin:

well, try all caps

[21:57:49]

dolphin:

if that doesn't work...that's beyond my expertise

[21:57:59]

spinull:

same

[21:58:06]

spinull:

my freaking password is "mythtv"

[21:58:09]

spinull:

how simple is that

[21:58:25]

dolphin:

too simple

[21:58:31]

spinull:

i figured id change it when i got everything setup right

[21:58:36]

spinull:

i guess i won't be changing it

[21:59:05]

cal_:

is there better documentation for ivtvctl? i cant make jack out of it's --help

[21:59:25]

dolphin:

spinull: mysqladmin -u root password pswdgoeshere

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spinull:

took it

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dolphin:

only change the "----goeshere" variable

[22:00:10]

spinull:

yah

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dolphin:

so, change that to mythtv or whatever

[22:00:13]

spinull:

omg it worked

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spinull:

<3

[22:00:24]

spinull:

now to continue

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ubuntuEdgy:

so what can i do to put my backend on hibernate and not shutdown

[22:00:46]

hads:

You probably didn't have a mysql root password to start with

[22:04:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

good night

[22:07:47]

dolphin:

soo..what's the deal with HD capture? pretty much can't be done without firewire, and even then requires 3+GB dual core processor??

[22:08:20]

spinull:

:(

[22:08:21]

spinull:

hope not

[22:08:26]

spinull:

i have a pos celeron

[22:08:33]

spinull:

and i intend to use it

[22:08:49]

spinull:

ahhh, i have to setup everything again

[22:09:06]

spinull:

i give up

[22:09:39]

spinull:

it took me so long to get it to work the first time, i don't even remember what i finally did to make it work

[22:11:18]

dolphin:

spinull: stick with it...read the wiki/how-tos

[22:11:41]

dolphin:

the features, like auto commercial skip, are worth the time alone that you'll put into getting it running

[22:12:28]

spinull:

i had it running but i wanted to be able to watch it on my laptop too, so i could chill in my room while my roommate was flipping out

[22:12:37]

spinull:

shes a c.u.n.t

[22:12:55]

spinull:

but now it won't even detect my car

[22:12:56]

spinull:

d

[22:14:51]

eelriver:

Forget mythtv, give her some roofies

[22:15:14]

spinull:

heh

[22:17:01]

dolphin:

spinull: dunno, but i enjoy watching tv over my laptop in front of my roomies! ;-)

[22:17:15]

tzanger:

something's buggered on my laptop's mythfrontend

[22:17:17]

dolphin:

hope you know that you can't do it with 802.11b

[22:17:27]

tzanger:

I can watch videos just fine, but livetv or recordings are coloured funny

[22:17:35]

tzanger:

as if I have two leads of a component video connection mixed up

[22:17:44]

spinull:

wtf do i do!!!

[22:17:52]

spinull:

Failed to open the card

[22:17:55]

spinull:

when i try to scan for channels

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dolphin:

spinull: restart & go to mythtv-setup on the backend again

[22:18:51]

dolphin:

we just dropped the database above which would have had all that information in it

[22:19:10]

spinull:

im in mythtv-setup now

[22:19:13]

spinull:

trying to scan for channels

[22:19:42]

dolphin:

but, you could setup the card before scanning?

[22:19:46]

dolphin:

what card, btw?

[22:19:51]

tzanger:

make sure the backend is *NOT* running

[22:20:12]

spinull:

win pvr-usb2

[22:20:26]

spinull:

it detects the card fine

[22:20:48]

dolphin:

well, try making sure mythbackend is off, as tzanger suggested

[22:21:01]

dolphin:

i thought it had to be on, but i guess it's not supposed to

[22:21:11]

spinull:

its not

[22:21:42]

spinull:

same bs

[22:21:49]

spinull:

Failed to open the card

[22:22:26]

spinull:

i have it set as Mpeg2 encoder card

[22:22:28]

spinull:

which it is

[22:22:41]

spinull:

default input is "television"

[22:23:00]

spinull:

i can cat the output of /dev/video0 to a file and then play it

[22:23:02]

spinull:

so i know the card is working

[22:23:39]

spinull:

channel frequency is "default"

[22:24:08]

spinull:

Failed to open the card

[22:24:16]

spinull:

Programmer Error, see console

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spinull:

...

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dolphin:

i'd just reboot once

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spinull:

its running mythfilldatabase now

[22:25:31]

spinull:

idk why

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spinull:

i'll reboot then try again

[22:25:43]

dolphin:

everytime i've gotten the ivtv driver to work, i have to reboot before the module really works

[22:26:07]

spinull:

it works now

[22:26:10]

spinull:

i can play that file

[22:28:11]

spinull:

dolphin, the commercial skip never worked for me

[22:28:34]

dolphin:

spinull: the backend will run mythcommflag

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dolphin:

and that will detect blank scenes, logo changes, etc..

[22:28:45]

spinull:

if doing all this crap doesn't fix it, i'll have you help me fix that too :P

[22:29:05]

spinull:

it never worked, im telling you

[22:29:09]

dolphin:

i just use blank scenes & whatever detection (don't have the mythbox in front of me now)

[22:29:28]

dolphin:

spinull: you're using the frontend?

[22:29:46]

spinull:

well, i was, im not anymore

[22:29:48]

dolphin:

must use the frontend to enable commercial detection, and select auto-skip, notify

[22:29:55]

dolphin:

blank frame....

[22:29:58]

spinull:

yeah, thas what i did

[22:30:03]

spinull:

never did it

[22:30:06]

dolphin:

then the backend will run it when it's not recording anything

[22:30:10]

spinull:

but i'll try again this round

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dolphin:

spinull: just make sure you're writing your own how-to for your hardware

[22:34:05]

spinull:

i would if i ever got it to work like it was supposed to

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spinull:

there is about an inch of black on the left of the tv

[22:34:48]

spinull:

that annoying

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dolphin:

spinull: you can change recording & playback aspect ratio in the frontend

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dolphin:

most of the configuration comes in at the frontend level

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spinull:

still nothing

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spinull:

...

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vondoom:

hello all

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spinull:

how do i view the console

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spinull:

since iv been here, my problems have gotten worse

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barbapappa:

I need some help, Tried r13442 today but can't seem to compile mytharchive get stuck on archiveutil.cpp:(.text+0x1d05): undefined reference to `ProgramInfo::GetPlaybackURL(bool, bool) anyone seen this error before. I have always had truble compileing mytharchive but can't remeber how i got i to work in r13183

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tjcarter:

hey all, I'm not at home, so this is somewhat nontrivial, but I am trying to figure out whether Minet's digital cable boxes are difficult to get working with Myth or not..

[23:05:10]

spinull:

after having my box fucked up

[23:05:14]

spinull:

i wouldn't ask here

[23:05:20]

** spinull eyeballs dolphin **

[23:05:22]

tjcarter:

They use Scientific Atlanta boxes

[23:06:32]

tjcarter:

spinull: Myth is still nontrivial to set up unless you're using Knoppmyth or something. (I tend to advise that unless you are a little more used to dealing with some of the underlying components..)

[23:06:59]

dolphin:

spinull: i helped you open up the backend, didn't i?

[23:07:08]

spinull:

no

[23:07:09]

spinull:

:(

[23:07:14]

dolphin:

if you've already done it once, you should be able to do it again

[23:07:24]

tjcarter:

And I think I am returning to the Don't-Myth-With-Ubuntu thinking again.

[23:07:46]

dolphin:

myth with ubuntu was bad a while ago...but, edgy was awesome for me

[23:07:51]

dolphin:

haven't tried feisty yet

[23:07:56]

tjcarter:

Mostly because I'm tired of every Ubuntu upgrade to mysql f*king up my Myth database access again. ;)

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dolphin:

myth should have a whole guide on the basics of mysql, i do agree

[23:08:30]

spinull:

im soo frustrated

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tjcarter:

dolphin: it's mostly Ubuntu trying to lock down the database in a different way that breaks it for me on a regular basis ;)

[23:09:00]

spinull:

i just wnat my original setup to work again

[23:09:06]

hugolp:

Feisty and Mythtv is trivial

[23:09:11]

spinull:

lies

[23:09:14]

hugolp:

the scripts do it all for you

[23:09:21]

spinull:

then fix my setup

[23:09:26]

dolphin:

yes, there are scripts that i just found recently

[23:09:28]

tjcarter:

hugolp: lies ;)

[23:09:34]

hugolp:

ok then

[23:09:42]

dolphin:

i only saw one, i think

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tzanger:

should've backed it up :_)

[23:09:51]

tjcarter:

hugolp: it's trivial in the easy cases =)

[23:09:53]

hugolp:

anyway

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hugolp:

Im going to sleep

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hugolp:

bye

[23:10:06]

tjcarter:

And Ubuntu doesn't really provide means to do the sane thing (/myth)

[23:10:19]

dolphin:

/usr/share/mythtv/something has those scripts

[23:10:21]

dolphin:

but they are basic

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tjcarter:

plus it'll tend to blow away any customizations you make too easily

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dolphin:

don't think they tell you how to open up the backend, tho

[23:11:03]

cecil:

does anyone else provide /myth?

[23:11:04]

dolphin:

ubuntu's been great for me

[23:11:07]

dolphin:

myth's been great for me

[23:11:09]

tjcarter:

and then if you mix card brands, you're going to be writing udev rules and you're basically on your own with Ubuntu in that regard.

[23:11:13]

dolphin:

getting the hardware to work is a different story

[23:11:17]

dolphin:

they all have their kinks

[23:11:28]

tjcarter:

But mostly it's mythtv vs. Ubuntu's mysql maintainer

[23:11:53]

tjcarter:

oh, and NV vs. Ubuntu upgrades, in general ;)

[23:11:59]

dolphin:

they are pretty large projects

[23:12:05]

dolphin:

free ones at that

[23:12:19]

dolphin:

but they DO work great for me once i get the hardware tweaked

[23:12:35]

spinull:

..

[23:12:37]

tjcarter:

Overall, if you want it to just work, you probably should stick with Knoppmyth, which is designed to work.

[23:12:41]

spinull:

i hate y

[23:12:46]

spinull:

ou

[23:13:01]

spinull:

just rub it in why dont you :P

[23:13:03]

dolphin:

backend stays up for at least 3 weeks without restart..but i must restart because i only have 256M of ram, so swap fills up enough for me to get paranoid

[23:13:06]

dolphin:

knoppmyth is terrible

[23:13:08]

dolphin:

don't do it

[23:13:18]

tjcarter:

dolphin: define pls

[23:13:25]

cecil:

what is so bad about KnoppMyth

[23:13:48]

cecil:

I spend a great deal of my time trying to make it easy for folks to enjoy MythTV

[23:14:05]

cecil:

if it is bad, then I'd like some explaination so I can make it better

[23:14:14]

spinull:

omg its working

[23:14:16]

spinull:

omg

[23:14:17]

dolphin:

it's been awile, but i couldn't get something to work...like frontend or both tuners

[23:14:18]

dolphin:

something

[23:14:22]

dolphin:

been a looong time

[23:14:42]

tjcarter:

ooh ooh! The Scientific Atlanta 3250HD exists on the MythTV radar =D

[23:14:55]

cecil:

if it has been a while and you cannot provide details, shut the fuck up

[23:14:55]

dolphin:

cecil, i think it's prolly a deeper rooted issue -> my <3 for ubuntu!

[23:15:28]

tjcarter:

Small town FIBER OPTIC provider (!!) so who knew if what they use is compatible with Myth. Found out they have Scientific Atlanta boxes.

[23:15:28]

dolphin:

i'll try it again later, and send you all criticism at that time

[23:16:18]

spinull:

i want to ctrl+c mythfilldatabase

[23:16:29]

tjcarter:

cecil: My problem with KnoppMyth was that when I followed posted instructions to add a few staples (vim, etc), I wound up pulling in Debian crap that broke everything.

[23:16:31]

spinull:

because this is about the 5th time iv sat through it

[23:16:33]

dolphin:

sudo killall mythfilldatabase

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tjcarter:

cecil: Else I'd probably still use it. =D

[23:17:55]

tjcarter:

cecil: I considered trying to go along the same vein of what you've got with an Ubuntu base since at least the stable pool would be a reasonably safe target to include in sources.list, but wound up running scared from the time investment.

[23:18:28]

** cecil thought of an ubuntu base some time ago **

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cecil:

but ubuntu bugs me

[23:18:50]

dolphin:

only as much as google bugs us

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spinull:

i can't connect ot the backend

[23:18:56]

dolphin:

at least me

[23:19:02]

spinull:

i just made sure it was using loopback

[23:19:12]

dolphin:

no, use lan ip...not loopback

[23:19:15]

tjcarter:

it wouldn't matter if it were Ubuntu or not. What's really needed is a Knoppix package pool I think.

[23:19:18]

spinull:

im not doing that anymore

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tjcarter:

as in the current DVD

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spinull:

i don't care about that anymore

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spinull:

i just want it to work

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dolphin:

spinull: you just said you made sure it was using loopback

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dolphin:

change it to your ipaddr

[23:19:59]

spinull:

yes

[23:19:59]

spinull:

no

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dolphin:

spinull: that's the only thing you need to do

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dolphin:

ifconfig eth0 the backend

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dolphin:

and it will tell you

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cecil:

KnoppMyth isn't Knoppix

[23:20:49]

cecil:

the packages to build KnoppMyth are pulled from stable

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dolphin:

coulda fooled me with the name

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tjcarter:

dolphin, shush ;)

[23:21:12]

cecil:

that is because, KnoppMyth was original a remaster

[23:21:29]

tjcarter:

DeMyth!

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spinull:

dolphin, i want the FE on the same machine as the BE

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dolphin:

so, your laptop is your backend?

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cecil:

while it still uses the excellent Knoppix script it is Debian Sid

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spinull:

doing it the other way didn't work

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cecil:

for the moment....

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cecil:

muahahahahaha

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spinull:

they are both laptops

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spinull:

MY laptop, will not have anything to do with myth anymore

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spinull:

the mythbox is hooked up to a tv

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tjcarter:

cecil: Well, I'm still sorely tempted to replace my OS with KnoppMyth and just keep /myth

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spinull:

i just want that to work

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dolphin:

spinull: if you'll change the my.cnf file to your backend's ip addr

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dolphin:

it'll work

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dolphin:

but if it's not working on the frontend, i dunno

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cecil:

the entire goal of KnoppMyth is to make things works

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spinull:

i did that

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spinull:

and it still didnt'

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dolphin:

well, try knoppmyth spinull

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cecil:

feedback on issue ehlp to make each release better

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dolphin:

holla

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tjcarter:

cecil: IIRC, it doesn't even flinch at the idea of a /myth/tv and friends where /myth is XFS and assembled out of two drives? =)

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spinull:

wait

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spinull:

dolphin, what am i changing in my.cnf

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cecil:

no, it doesn't

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tjcarter:

/dev/mapper/Myth-myth on /myth type xfs (rw) <--- yay

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spinull:

bind-address?

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spinull:

what

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cecil:

using /myth was an idea at originated with KnoppMyth

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spinull:

????

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cecil:

spinull: what is your question?

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spinull:

he told me to change the ip in my.cnf

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tjcarter:

cecil: it was a smart idea.

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spinull:

what am i changing

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tjcarter:

cecil: makes it real easy to make it a md array

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cecil:

tjcarter: thanks

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spinull:

-_-

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cecil:

spinull: from the beginning please

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spinull:

idk

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spinull:

fuck it

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spinull:

nvm

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cecil:

I can try to help, I just wasn't following your issue

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spinull:

idk what he wants me to do, and i just want my shit to work

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cecil:

well, good luck

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spinull:

but its jacked now

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cecil:

Perhaps that should be the new slogan...

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cecil:

KnoppMyth: Because you want your shit to work. ;)

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tjcarter:

cecil: I Just Want My Shit To Work(TM)?

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tjcarter:

oh

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tjcarter:

hehe

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tjcarter:

Doh--I'm trying to find info on the Scientific Atlanta 3250HD on the wiki.. Does it work? Is it easy? That sort of thing.

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tjcarter:

Control via FW? Video via FW?

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spinull:

everything is set to 127.0.0.1 and my FE still wont connec to the gd BE

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cecil:

spinull: if you want help, please start from the beginning

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cecil:

what are you trying to do and what problem are you having?

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spinull:

ok

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spinull:

i had it all working, BE and FE on the same machine, but i wanted to be able to run a FE on my laptop

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spinull:

dolphin was helping me do that

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spinull:

but then everything got jacked up

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tjcarter:

cecil: If I go and do the whole backup DB, blow away Ubuntu, install KnoppMyth, will you help me sort out my mixed devices situation in such a manner so that people like me don't have to reconfigure everything on upgrade? =) Bit of udev stuff involved.

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spinull:

now my mythbox FE wont connect to the BE and my laptop still won't connect to it

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cecil:

tjcarter: I cannot gaurantee that things will won't require a little bit of tweaking

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tjcarter:

cecil: I have one grabber with an unrecognized tuner (cheapie Newegg thing that used to be a sa7134 but isn't now) which I expect to use with tvtime for video gaming..

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cecil:

for instance, several IVTV releases back, they changed things and that cause a little bit of a problem

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cecil:

no much as we warned those upgrading

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tjcarter:

cecil: the problem is that there's a race condition as to which thing gets /dev/video*

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cecil:

you can use udev to make them use /dev/saa7134 and /dev/blah for instance

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spinull:

ok

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spinull:

it works

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spinull:

finally

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cecil:

:)

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tjcarter:

I wrote some udev stuff that makes symlinks based on whether it's a grabber or an encoder.

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spinull:

next step

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spinull:

no forget it

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spinull:

i don't even want to try again

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cecil:

it is rather easy....

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spinull:

thats what everyone else said

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spinull:

then everything went down the drain

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tjcarter:

Basically, I'd prefer to do this once and then not have others have to screw with it myself (or have others screw with it) in the future..

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spinull:

yeah

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spinull:

i did that

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spinull:

that should be already done

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spinull:

but i STILL cant connect from my laptop

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tjcarter:

arg. Lots of stuff on Motorola, not much on Scientific Atlanta.

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tjcarter:

And the guy I talked to didn't even know if the stuff was DRM'd or not. =p

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tjcarter:

He wants me to figure it out and then tell HIM so he can answer questions for other potential MythTV people.

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cecil:

if you cannot connect from you laptop, what errors are you seeing?

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tjcarter:

pfft ;)

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cecil:

that is on the laptop and on backend?

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spinull:

no

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spinull:

this laptop has ONLY the FE

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spinull:

when i run the FE

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spinull:

it asks me for my language

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cecil:

you started earlier that your IP was 127.0.0.1

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spinull:

and then tells me it couldn't connect and to check my settings

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spinull:

this is on my laptop

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spinull:

it is set to connect to the lan ip

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tjcarter:

cecil: I don't know if it's sane or not, but I suggest avahi..

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cecil:

I mean your backend (the one on the network _NOT_ on the laptop)

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tjcarter:

cecil: Teach KnoppMyth FE/BE to find eachother on the LAN ;)

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cecil:

R6....

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tjcarter:

You already do that now?

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cecil:

no, R6

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tjcarter:

oh.

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cecil:

R5 is the latest release

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cecil:

final R5 should be tomorrow

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spinull:

the Mythbox is set to 127.0.0.1

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cecil:

then, that is wrong

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spinull:

but if i change it, then the FE on that box can't connect to it

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cecil:

it should be the actual IP of the system

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spinull:

even if i change it

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cecil:

then you need to look at the logs

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tjcarter:

I'd be happy to assist with such things. Helping improve KM I can do, but a master's program and maintaining a big project I can't do easily.

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cecil:

start the frontend from an xterm and see what it is telling you

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spinull:

im to ticked off right now to try again

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cecil:

the text output _is_ very helpful

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spinull:

maybe after i vent

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spinull:

or get drunk

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spinull:

i appreciate hte help though

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cecil:

join us in #knoppmyth tomorrow

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tjcarter:

cecil: you be around in about 2 hours maybe?

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cecil:

I'll be on, don't know it I'll be around

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spinull:

i have a question for you

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spinull:

im running beryl

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spinull:

and i have the gnome panels on top of myth

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cecil:

sorry, I don't run beryl

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cecil:

nor GNOME

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tjcarter:

okay--I just have to catch a bus or I'm stuck in a tiny town for the night ;)

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cecil:

travel well

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cecil:

best place to catch me is in #knoppmyth

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cecil:

as the traffic isn't as heavy

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

if i have stb

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cecil:

hello

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Ediehow:

and i have zap2it set up in mythtvsetup

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Ediehow:

how do i populate channels correctly?

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cecil:

I don't understand your question

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spinull:

setup an accnt

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Ediehow:

i have

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spinull:

then run mythfilldatabase

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spinull:

or

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cecil:

the channels should populate correctly if you have everything setup

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spinull:

mythtv-setup

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Ediehow:

nevermind, i got it

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cal_:

hmm.. cat /dev/video0 works before i run mythtv.. but not after. that mean i have a setting wrong in mythtv?

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Ediehow:

shoot

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Ediehow:

spinull: i did that

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Ediehow:

i have zap2it account info specified in video source

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Ediehow:

but when i go to channel editor, it is blank

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Ediehow:

i wanted some channels deleted but it only seemed to let me delete them all at aonce

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Ediehow:

so i need to repopulate

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spinull:

idk man

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spinull:

how do you add a dir so myth will show you the movies in that dir

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kormoc:

spinull, read the docs?

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mikeones:

hello

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xris:

spinull: it's in the mythvideo config

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