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Thursday, May 3rd, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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jrr:

i'm unable to remotely connect the mysql on the main backend

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jrr:

does it default to a funny port?

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directhex:

no. but some distributions restrict mysql to only bind on a loopback IP

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jrr:

okies, i'll start lookin' around.

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imperfect-:

n/rel

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achew22:

YAY my HD tuner came!!

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** achew22 dances **

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Ryushin:

achew22: Now you get to have fun setting it up.

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achew22:

its a ethernet tuner

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Ryushin:

How does that work?

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achew22:

it tunes and streams mpegs over ethernet

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Ryushin:

And how does it interface with myth?

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tzanger:

hmm

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jrr:

there's the rub

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tzanger:

mythfontend watching recorded shows has the colours wrong, but mplayer on the same system plays them fine... is there something funny I should be toggling in mythtv's config?

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GreyFoxx:

What exactly is wrong ?

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achew22:

Ryushin, its the HDHomeRUn

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmm the HDHR's do Qam? I thought they didn't .... nifty

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jrr:

what else would it do?

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GreyFoxx:

Just OTA ATSC broadcasts ?

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GreyFoxx:

like most ATSC capture cards ?

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jrr:

that'd be poopy

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AndrewGearhart:

Good evening folks. I'm eyeing mythtv. I was curious if anybody had done any work with allowing a mythtv box to be accessed from another "set-top box" say on the same local network...

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jrr:

AndrewGearhart: accessed from another *type* of STB?

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jrr:

with myth you can have as many display devices as you want and as many tuners as you want, so long as each is part of a computer running myth

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jrr:

(multiple computers, talking to each other)

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AndrewGearhart:

jrr: hmm... and that's not a special module or anything? Just part of the basic configuration?

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jrr:

correct. there's two pieces of software – the frontend and the backend.

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aarcane:

can one frontend connect to many backends ?

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jrr:

the frontend is the user interface

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GreyFoxx:

aarcane: yes

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jrr:

aarcane: yes. and many frontends can connect to 1/many backends

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GreyFoxx:

you have 1 master backend and many slaves

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** aarcane doesn't use a backend, since he doesn't do TV recording right now **

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AndrewGearhart:

jrr: right now, honestly, I only have one tv in the house... but I'm looking ahead. I'm trying to put together the list of apps that I need to learn more about to be able to establish the type of multimedia experience that I want to be able to have when I get to target efforts at home.

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jrr:

sounds good.

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GreyFoxx:

researching is good

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GreyFoxx:

nothing more annoying than someone who runs out, buys hardware and complains that it doesn;t work :)

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aarcane:

AndrewGearhart, you probably want kdm or gdm to allow your kids to log in, nfs to share filesystems for videos, etc..

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GreyFoxx:

If it's a dedicated media pc, a login is not needed

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GreyFoxx:

if it's a desktop or something... well that's another matter

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jrr:

check out all the cool plugins – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Plugins

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aarcane:

GreyFoxx, what about his kids and content control ? personally forcing a login seems a better idea than a universal pin, since kids come in all different ages.

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** AndrewGearhart *click* jrr **

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GreyFoxx:

aarcane: I didn't see him say he has kids, nor that he requirs content control

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GreyFoxx:

mythvideo has some parental stuff in it, the frontend (watch recordings) doesn't

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AndrewGearhart:

aarcane: actually... that is something that would be interesting to have the option to do down the road... but nothing that is /important/ right now.

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GreyFoxx:

And I don;t know about you, but my wife would bemighty PO'd if I made her login to watch tv

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AndrewGearhart:

mostly... right now I'm looking at what features actually exist out there right now...

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a5benwillis_:

ARGH, can anyone help with getting a Sansung Plasma working with Xorg so I can see myth on my new tv??

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aarcane:

a5benwillis_, I offered earlier, you ignored me, so no.

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AndrewGearhart:

I've been a php developer for about 6 years... and I've done some desktop programming for windows... so i'm mostly interested in knowing what I might need to code to reach the perfect solution.

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a5benwillis_:

aarcane: My laptop locked up but kept me connected. Sorry.

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a5benwillis_:

aarcane: Not ignoring, promise.

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aarcane:

AndrewGearhart, a few scripts if you want to integrate myth with some non-myth-friendly software like mpd. that's all

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a5benwillis_:

but thanks anyways :)

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aarcane:

a5benwillis_, what video card do you have ?

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AndrewGearhart:

GreyFoxx: if it could be as simple as swiping a finger on a fingerprint scanner... it could work . ;-)

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a5benwillis_:

aarcane: Nvidia 7600GS

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AndrewGearhart:

GreyFoxx: my wife would be cool with that. ;-)

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a5benwillis_:

It worked with my other Plasma (had to get a new one today)

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GreyFoxx:

AndrewGearhart: Well, you could do swipe cards

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GreyFoxx:

a Swipecard reader is $60 anbd you could embedded the parental pin on it :)

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AndrewGearhart:

GreyFoxx: eh... then somebody (the kids) can steal your card...

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aarcane:

a5benwillis_, hook up your TV to your Video Card with the best quality connection available. configure the video card to use that output, then configure the resolution properly in xorg.conf

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GreyFoxx:

And you think they wont see you type it in? Or eventually get access to something that lets them find out your info ? :)

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AndrewGearhart:

GreyFoxx: if you did a fingerprint scanner... it's significantly more difficult to get your finger stolen... at least without being grounded

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GreyFoxx:

I've never seen reasonably prices consumer FP scanner that worked, but I haven't looked in the last 2 years

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aarcane:

AndrewGearhart, a simple username/pass combo is good enough if you have kids unmonitored, you could have it set up so that you or your wife could unlock it when you got home and monitored the kids, using a key or something.

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kormoc:

by the time you have kids, there's no time for porn

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aarcane:

kormoc, what about R rated movies ?

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GreyFoxx:

I can't imagine what (other than porn) I'd have that I wouldn't want my kid to see

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kormoc:

aarcane, meh, honestly, I don't count on ratings 'protecting' my (future) kids, and besides, mythvideo already has a lock

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GreyFoxx:

hehe if you what TV14 tv and see the content...ratings are meaningless :)

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GreyFoxx:

w/what/watch

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aarcane:

to hell with ratings, there are just certain movies I wouldn't want my kids watching without me

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mcquaid:

i've setup ncid but haven't got it working with myth yet. I read i need to use mythtvosd -cid

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mcquaid:

but do i run that manually before launching myth? or does some other script call it?

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kormoc:

aarcane, that's my point, I'd set them to level 4 and lock down anything over level 2 for example

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: mythtvosd is the app you use to send info to the myth OSD (assuming you enabled it)

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GreyFoxx:

no idea what ncid is though

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mcquaid:

network caller id

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mcquaid:

trying to use it with my voip acct, to show caller id in myth

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mcquaid:

hmm, enable what mythtvosd?

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GreyFoxx:

What are you using to terminatethe voip connection ?

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mcquaid:

i have an ata

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: To use mythtvosd you have to enable it in the frontend so that the frontend will accept the data/connection

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mcquaid:

ah i didn't know that

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mcquaid:

what confuses me is ncid also has a script called 'ncid-mythtv'

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mcquaid:

not sure how that ties in

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GreyFoxx:

Welll....... how is your "ncid" going to get the data from your ATA? ATA's are just voip clients with a FXS port to your phone, I've never seen one that would forward on callerid info.

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GreyFoxx:

other than to the phone client itself

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mcquaid:

i believe ncid sniffs port 5060

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GreyFoxx:

And ncid is sitting infront of the ATA networkwise so theSIP traffic will be visible to it ?

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mcquaid:

i ran the server and the ncid-sip module and in verbose mode i see it listing an incoming call

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mcquaid:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

k

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mcquaid:

kind of a cool hack

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GreyFoxx:

heh I wrote just that sort of thing for work

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aarcane:

wow, can show phone info on screen, but no support for mpd :(

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GreyFoxx:

using libpcap libraries sniffing sip traffic

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GreyFoxx:

very handy for troubleshooting stuff on remote networks

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mcquaid:

yes this uses libpcap as well

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jrr:

--enable-xmvc, --enable-xmvc-opengl, and --enable-opengl-vsync all provide options that can be picked at runtime, correct?

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GreyFoxx:

You can turn on/off xvmc and opengl vsync in the frontend menus

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jrr:

what about "--enable-xvmc-opengl enable nVidia XvMC OpenGL texture method"

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think it's a seperatly configurable frontend setting

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jrr:

do you recommend i use it?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use xvmc, so I don't recommened it unless you are desperately low on cpu

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jrr:

is there another way to use hardware acceleration?

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jrr:

my frontends are an A64–4000 and a K7 2200, each of them chop up here and there

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GreyFoxx:

what kind of content ?

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GreyFoxx:

Cause my xp2500+ can play 1080i and 720p mpeg2 with no stuttering at all

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jrr:

the A64 is also the backend, so he's doing some work

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mcquaid:

GreyFoxx, hmm, where in the frontend do i set mythtvosd?

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mcquaid:

cant seem to locate

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GreyFoxx:

jrr: Well, depending on the content and the work being done that;s not way more than you should need

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jrr:

i'm using firewire, so i wouldn't expect it has to think too hard

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GreyFoxx:

That's basically 0 to record then

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AndrewGearhart:

mcquaid: what kind of device do you have that will send that ncid signal?

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achew22:

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ENCRYPTED MY FREE UNPAID QAM CINNEMAX CHANNEL!!!

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jrr:

achew22: bummer

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mcquaid:

yes

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AndrewGearhart:

ah...

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mcquaid:

trying to enable mythtvosd to see if that gets myth showing the info

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GreyFoxx:

In my case, my asterisk box is calling mythtvosd which is sending the info

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jrr:

GreyFoxx: you're right – 2% cpu on the backend, 11% on this frontend

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jrr:

how can i deinterlace the SD?

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GreyFoxx:

Frontend setting under TV->Playback

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jrr:

ah, much better

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jrr:

there's no existing functionality for a toggle fullscreen button, is there?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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mcquaid:

hmm, i've been in tv-playback twice, i don't see it

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mcquaid:

what's it listed as?

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EnderTheThird:

can someone point me in the direction of a good howto for setting up LVM? I have a 300 GB and 250 GB drive I'd like to tie together

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: something along the lines of "udp notify"

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GreyFoxx:

There use to be a checkbox to enable it and another to set the port

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GreyFoxx:

but all I see right now is the port

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GreyFoxx:

at least in latest svn trunk

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone...?

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jrr:

EnderTheThird: i used http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/

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mcquaid:

yes i have that too, just the port

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mcquaid:

thx

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jrr:

which happens to be the first google result for "lvm howto" =]

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EnderTheThird:

heh, i tried "ubuntu feisty lvm howto" and kept finding stuff about how LVM was good to set up for MythTV, just nothing about HOWTO set it up, heh

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mcquaid:

GreyFoxx, i'm not really sure how this all ties in yet. Which udp port would i use? the port the ncid server is using?

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Anduin:

EnderTheThird: storage groups

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Anduin:

EnderTheThird: well eventually, if you are running svn something to look at

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: Honestly I know nothing about that app, but according to their website there is a module that will send myth based OSD messages... so let myth run it as default and configr ncid correctly would be my assumption

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EnderTheThird:

i might be redoing my install at the end of the week, so i'll probably wait to setup LVM until then (i think i remember seeing an option for it then)

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AndrewGearhart:

GreyFoxx: who (ITSP) do you use with your * box?

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GreyFoxx:

My regular phone company line

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GreyFoxx:

and a trunk to my work phone switch

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jrr:

when i get an "Error was encountered while displaying video.", is there a good way to get back to a working channel?

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jrr:

right now i run a script that resets the stored channel in the mysql db, which doesn't seem too graceful

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Fnc:

what does: warning MVs not available?

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Fnc:

mean

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imperfect-:

Anyone know why MythMusic sucks so horribly bad ;)

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imperfect-:

Anyone know how I cna page through my playlist faster?

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imperfect-:

This is unmanageble ;)

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hads:

imperfect-: I'm sure a patch would be welcome :)

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imperfect-:

hads: hehe It needs a rewrite of the interface ;)

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imperfect-:

hads: I think a "patch" is aiming low. ;)

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hads:

I'm sure that would be welcom too :)

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Fnc:

all that needs to be done, is the info input into a database for all mp3s

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a5benwillis_:

<- HATES new plasma tvs!!

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a5benwillis_:

stupid xorg has to be so difficult

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jrr:

a5benwillis_: 1) i'll gladly take it off your hand 2) yes, it's xorg's fault

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mcquaid:

one thing i'd like to have is a mythalarm, either play a song or put on a channel at a set time

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mcquaid:

i googled it and there was mention of it back in 2003 but i don't think anything came of it

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jrr:

you leave your audio equipment on full-time, i guess?

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Fnc:

jrr: it codes and ir blasters to turn it on...

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jrr:

ah cool

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mcquaid:

what i have been doing is killing the frontend and using xmms as an alarm

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jrr:

i should do that. or maybe my rx will take serial commands in standby mode

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mcquaid:

but it's a pain killing the frontend before bed

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hads:

You could probably do something easily with the telnet control port

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mcquaid:

hmm, i'll have to read on that

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hads:

`jump livetv`

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jrr:

when i push the record button, does it start right then or does it keep whatever's in the livetv rewind buffer?

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mcquaid:

jump livetv?

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hads:

mcquaid: It's a telnet command

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mcquaid:

ah ok

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mcquaid:

so make a cron job running it at a specific time i guess

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hads:

I don't know if there's a way to go to a certain channel but the telnet interface can always be extended.

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Anduin:

jrr: In newer versions, the latter

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clever:

the telnet interface in svn can change channels

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hads:

.19 on or something?

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clever:

so i can jump to channel 12 in livetv at 6pm(news comes on this time)

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hads:

It can too. `help play` :)

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hads:

`jump livetv` then `play channel 3` works fine

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clever:

ahh yeah that sounds right

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hads:

It is :)

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clever:

echo "jump livetv play channel 3" | netcat frontendip 6546

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clever:

that would do it in 1 line assuming you have netcat

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hads:

Not sure if that will work, jump livetv blocks for a while.

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mcquaid:

cool

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clever:

netcat is similar to telnet but it doesnt handle the telnet control codes making it binary safe

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clever:

netcat is also able to listen and use udp with extra -args

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clever:

on some systems its called nc

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hads:

Easy enough to do with a script to check the response anyways (if you want to rely on it to wake up that is).

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

netcat will spit out the responces

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clever:

a grep for some ok's will probly do:P

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clever:

you know what a proper responce will be from running it once and program it to check that with grep or diff

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EnderTheThird:

is it possible to access mythweb remotely (via ssh or something) if the computer is behind a router/firewall?

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AndrewGearhart:

you can't kill the front-end based on the "power" button on your remote being received?

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Tronic:

EnderTheThird: You can always use OpenVPN to pass firewalls.

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** AndrewGearhart once again reiterates his ignorance about MythTV **

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Tronic:

I do it all the time at the university. The administration does not open ports for me on request, so I install blatantly open VPNs without a permit, instead.

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EnderTheThird:

could that be done with a portable app on a flash drive? no install priv's at work, heh

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Tronic:

EnderTheThird: You need root access for it to work.

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EnderTheThird:

and i can't install kqemu for hardware acceleration to run Ubuntu off flash and Qemu within WinXP

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Tronic:

SSH tunneling can work for ports > 1024 without root privileges.

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EnderTheThird:

damn. thwarted at every turn!

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Tronic:

... and on Windows for any port, I suppose.

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, any howto's or documentation you can suggest?

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Tronic:

I am not familiar with MythWeb. Is it just a web interface to Myth backend or what?

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xris:

yes

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EnderTheThird:

yeah

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Tronic:

Which port does it run on your server?

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EnderTheThird:

easier to browse listings and set recording (IMO)

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Tronic:

And are you running Windows on the client machine?

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EnderTheThird:

At work, yes. Without admin priv's. I'm running Ubuntu Feisty on my 2 computers here (combined FE/BE and a separate FE for the living room)

[02:26:05]

Tronic:

Put PuTTY on a USB stick, configure it to do a local port forward from port 80 to localhost port <whatever MythWeb is listening to> and connect via SSH to your server.

[02:26:31]

Tronic:

Then direct your Internet Explorer (I suppose that they force you to use that, too) to http://localhost/

[02:27:23]

EnderTheThird:

I run Firefox as a portable app from the Desktop. IT deletes it whenever they spy the desktop, but they can go to hell

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Tronic:

Notice that the hostname "localhost", that you enter in PuTTY tunneling settings, is resolved on your server and not on the Windows box. Thus, it refers to the server's localhost. The other "localhost", entered on your web browser, refers to the Windows machine, where PuTTY is listening (local) port 80 for connections.

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jhulst:

I'm working on setting up mythtv with an ATI TV Wonder Pro card and am having trouble getting MythTV to work with the card, it recognizes it with the cx8800 driver but when I scan for channels, it says failed to open card

[02:28:59]

Tronic:

When your browser connects that, PuTTY forwards it over SSH and the sshd on your Linux machine connects localhost:port (which is your MythWeb server).

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EnderTheThird:

i think i kinda understood that, heh

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jhulst:

I've changed the permission on /dev/v4l/video0 and that didn't change anything

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Fnc:

jhulst: you have something else that may be using the card?

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jhulst:

Nothing that I know of, I boot up the system start kde and start mythtv

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Fnc:

you sure dev.v4l/video0 is actually that card?

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jhulst:

yes, I can see the composite input on other tv viewers, just no television tuner

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Aquahallic:

evenin' all

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Fnc:

...

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Fnc:

so who knows what this is?

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Fnc:

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

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purserj:

sigh

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purserj:

something which is rapidly outstaying its welcome in the blog space?

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GreyFoxx:

Fnc: Anyone who has ready any online articles in the last 2 days

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GreyFoxx:

And FYI, it's already in the botlogs for the channel :)

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Fnc:

hehe yeah i just thought it was funny, cuz i said something about hd and bluray stuff and being able to watch them the other day.. and someone said it would never happen cuz the encryption

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clever:

http://pastebin.ca/467904 having build problems

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clever:

and ive done make distclean as sudjested a few hours ago

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XGizzmo:

clever:

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clever:

XGizzmo:

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XGizzmo:

disable firewire if you dont need it

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XGizzmo:

and cchache and distcc

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clever:

only have 1 firewire port in the whole house and its on an xp box

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XGizzmo:

ccache

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clever:

and im using distcc between 2 boxes to get a mild speed boost

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clever:

and whats the ./configure to disable firewire?

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clever:

nvm found it

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clever:

make -j 3 running again

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clever:

using the 1.6ghz of the backend and the 1ghz of a frontend

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** clever goes off to sleep while it rebuilds more **

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aarcane:

how does mythtv interact with screensavers ?

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clever:

i know it disables dpms to keep the moniter from shuting off while playing

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clever:

and reenabled it every time i pause and exit to menu's

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clever:

not shure about screensavers

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aarcane:

I know it blanks after 10 minutes or so, then powers off after 10 more. I want to disable that power off thing..

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clever:

you could simple disable the entire scr4eensaver

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clever:

xscreensaver-demo i think

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aarcane:

I haven't enabled xscreensaver yet, I'm getting ready to write a custom screensaver from libvisual right now

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Tanthrix:

arcane: xset -dpms does it I think

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clever:

you could query if dpms is on/off and have the screensaver sleep if its disabled

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clever:

so it assumes mythtv shut dpms off because it was playing

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clever:

bbl

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aarcane:

how can I create a top level menu entry that starts a specified program ?

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aarcane:

and how can I remove the menu option for TV from the menu ?

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xris:

edit the theme file

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hads:

Though not, I imagine, for your first question which xris wasn't here for.

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SibeliusTX:

If anyone's around/paying attention – quick question: Will a machine that's strictly a backend benefit from a decent graphics card? Will mythtranscode be able to use the cosine transform code in the drivers or somesuch? Or is that only applicable to playback on the frontend?

[04:31:07]

aarcane:

actually, after about 40 minutes of reading and searching obscure texts, I found the answer to both.

[04:33:37]

SibeliusTX:

must not have been the same obscure texts I've been reading then

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aarcane:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Menu_the . . . opment_guide actually. it's hidden deep in the wiki somewhere

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SibeliusTX:

oops, just looked at the online chat logs, I see that your cryptic response wasn't to my question, aarcane =)

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aarcane:

sorry SibeliusTX ^,.,^ what's your problem ?

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SibeliusTX:

was just asking about any benefits of having a graphics card in a strictly backend box

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aarcane:

oh, I don't know SibeliusTX, sorry ^,.,^

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SibeliusTX:

I see in the log that you aren't running a backend, so no worries

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SibeliusTX:

when I first saw your message after I joined I thought maybe you were a magic 8-ball type bot that spouts obscure things whenver someone new asks a question =)

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aarcane:

hehe, I don't have a tv tuner card, but yes I do spout obscure things :P

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frink_:

Hey folks

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pat_:

evening

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frink_:

Hey pat_

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frink_:

Morning here :)

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frink_:

Though it feels like evening after 3 days with no sleep (just got baby number two)

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Dagmar:

That's good.

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frink_:

yah

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frink_:

till one cries, wakes up the other etc etc...

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frink_:

at least the wife can watch MythTV whilst feeding though ;-)

[08:10:31]

** pat_ just bought a piggyback rca lead set so he can make new tapes for his car (which hasn't had new tapes in 10 years) **

[08:11:13]

frink_:

tapes?

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pat_:

car stereo uses tapes

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frink_:

"Daddy, what's a tape?"

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frink_:

pat_: Wow, 8-track? ;-)

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xris:

pat_: mine, too.. but I use an ipod. :)

[08:11:43]

pat_:

nah, just regular tapes

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frink_:

My old car had a tape thing, which was good because I got a tape-converter thingy and plugged the iPod in.. Now my new car has a CD playwe and my iPod is outta luck :(

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xris:

frink_: itrip

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pat_:

get something like an iTrip

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Dagmar:

frink_: They still sell low-power FM transmitters for real checp

[08:12:56]

Dagmar:

...and if you want to be a complete asshole you can look up Ramsey's catalog and get a 20w linear amp that'll jack it's range up to several square miles

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pat_:

mr marantz may be up for new belts for the tape deck sometime in the near future

[08:14:23]

Dagmar:

There's nothing more amusing that pulling up next to one of those promo vans for a pop station, figuring out they're broadcasting live, and then stomping over their own stations signal.

[08:14:40]

frink_:

yeah I'll have to do the FM thingy... Sucky though..

[08:14:55]

Dagmar:

Less cables than a tape adapter

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frink_:

Dagmar: thats rude and funny :)

[08:15:20]

frink_:

Any news on the Hauppauge Nova-t 500 emote working yet?

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untitled:

hi, can i watch tv while recording something from other channel?

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frink_:

hi

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frink_:

thats a very open question

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juski:

untitled: yes, if you have more than one tuner

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frink_:

the answer is yes, if you have the hardware...

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untitled:

it says mythtv is already using all available inputs

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gbee:

untitled: with multiple tuners (or a TV ;) )

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hads:

Then that's what it's doing...

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untitled:

mm, this means no to me :)

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frink_:

untitled: what TV card do you have?

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juski:

untitled: NO, you can if you have enough tuners available

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untitled:

i thought i can record and watch at the same time, i have some nebula's card

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juski:

if you have ONE tuner, you can watch and record ONE thing at once

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untitled:

ok

[08:20:42]

** gardengnome beers juski **

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gardengnome:

it's awfully early

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juski:

beer? this early? oyay

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untitled:

but where to click to whach what i am recording?

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hads:

"Watch Recordings"

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untitled:

can't get it thru main menu: watch tv

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frink_:

untitled: Buy another TV card and you can then do it :)

[08:21:22]

juski:

oh ffs

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hads:

Handily, in trunk you can. I like that feature.

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** juski pictures untitled sitting in a trunk **

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hads:

heh

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juski:

day 2, and I've still not killed anybody yet. not bad

[08:22:46]

hads:

Have you given something up?

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frink_:

juski: What have you done?

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frink_:

juski: are you using Windows?

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frink_:

I used it for a week once.. Then I had to stop because I broke the machine I was using.

[08:23:37]

frink_:

(nopt hysically ;-)

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juski:

hmm let me think. what would I have to give up that would make me agitated & very irritable initially?

[08:24:07]

hads:

Crack

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juski:

I mean apart from linux users

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untitled:

the case is that i can't find my sheluded recording which is recording right now to watch it..

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hads:

Reading what you type on IRC?

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gardengnome:

hads: the multirec branch is not ready yet

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untitled:

even in watch recordings)

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juski:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_A . . . ecordings.3F

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hads:

gardengnome: I was actually referring to that feature which prompts you if all tuners are busy. But multirecord will be very groovy.

[08:25:51]

gardengnome:

hads: ah, k

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juski:

multirecord will mean victory for the whiners with money

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hads:

You're a whiner :)

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gardengnome:

this is a capitalist society. you want it, you pay for it. or DIY :)

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juski:

hmmm.

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juski:

that gives me an idea

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juski:

where can I find an application to make a tarball with a unique serial number that's only unlockable with a purchased key? ;)

[08:27:37]

gardengnome:

i fscking wish i didn't have a new construction site in my neighborhood every summer.

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frink_:

whats multirecord?

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juski:

frink_: recording multiple channels from one transponder

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juski:

transponder/multiplex

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juski:

for digital tv users :)

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frink_:

juski: Yes that would be handy..

[08:29:26]

frink_:

Do the DVB cards just dump the whole multiplex out?

[08:30:16]

frink_:

With disk space the way it is now (cheap) you could almost keep premanent recordings of all your fav channels for the past few days.

[08:30:53]

frink_:

2Gb per hour. Thats only 50Gb a day for one channel.

[08:31:30]

frink_:

Say you have ten fav channels. You only need 2TB for 4 days record.

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gardengnome:

i want my mythtv to be channel-agnostic. i just want my simpsons and star trek, i don't really have favourite channels anymore. the darn commercials spoiled them for me.

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gardengnome:

guess everyone has their own needs

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juski:

yeah my next promo video will extol the virtues of mythtv doing away with the concept of channels

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untitled:

juski: thanks

[08:35:10]

juski:

fit tv into your schedule, not the other way around!

[08:35:18]

gardengnome:

juski: right, some people still like the concept of channels. that's why we have livetv

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frink_:

juski: where are your promo vids juski ? My wife wants to watch one...

[08:36:06]

Dagmar:

Give it time...

[08:36:35]

Dagmar:

Eventually the TiVoites will be muttering about "but TiVO makes custom channels from recorded content--why doesn't Myth??"

[08:39:31]

grndslm:

any of you guys that increased your recording resolution to 640x480 or 720x480....do you remember/know what bitrate you're using now?

[08:40:42]

frink_:

I am a TiVoite

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frink_:

UK one though so I duno about all these new clever TiVo stuff.. Since SKY paid TiVo to get out of the UK market :(

[08:41:07]

Dagmar:

grndslm: Same as before

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frink_:

It's be cool if Myth would do the TiVo auto recording of things you may like though..

[08:41:39]

Dagmar:

grndslm: You know it doesn't hurt to just _try_ things

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grndslm:

Dagmar: I see places that say [most] all hauppauge recorders do not benefit with more than 640x480!!

[08:42:16]

grndslm:

Dagmar: i try things, but I'd assume most people have already tried them out and could save me a lotta time

[08:42:50]

grndslm:

somebody told me here that i couldn't run 2 deinterlace filters at the same time...but i figured out i can

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gardengnome:

i know that 720x576 is DVD compatible, that's what i'm recording in. i'm in PAL country, though

[08:43:12]

grndslm:

i'm ntsc

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frink_:

gardengnome: UK?

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grndslm:

does mytharchive only burn dvds? not svcds?

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Dagmar:

For one thing, while you *can* run more than one deinterlacer at a time, I'm pretty sure doing so is a sizable mistake

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gardengnome:

frink_: germany

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Dagmar:

For the other, people saying there's no difference between 720x480 and 640x480 are either delusional, or they're mentioning something else about it that you didn't notice

[08:44:27]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: i don't think it'll make a difference on bttv cards

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Dagmar:

So what's that got to do with Hauppage recorders?

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grndslm:

exactly Dagmar, the difference in resolution virtually makes no difference with NTSC and certain cards

[08:45:05]

Dagmar:

So what's that got to do with Hauppage recorders?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: older hauppauge cards were bttv ones :)

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Dagmar:

Yet we call those BTTV cards, not Hauppauge cards.

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grndslm:

i think i can see increased quality with 640x480 but only when increasing the bitrate noticeably....

[08:45:50]

grndslm:

it's still crappy analog feed

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grndslm:

is there any easy way you guys recommend AB testing??

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grndslm:

i can't really test the same scenes with multiple recording profiles...just have to analyze shows in general

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frink_:

whats that?

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grndslm:

but that's not as scientific as i'd like

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Dagmar:

Do you even understand what you're saying?

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grndslm:

umm....

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juski:

my videos are intended for use at expos & public screenings. not showing to one's spout

[08:47:50]

grndslm:

no, does it sound like i do

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Dagmar:

It sounds like you're using buzzwords.

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grndslm:

well, i don't know any other words to use apparently

[08:48:31]

grndslm:

are you referring to AB testing

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Dagmar:

For one thing, even over analog, if you record a program that airs twice in one night, you can *easily* pick out mutliples of nearly identical frames

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Dagmar:

Yes I'm referring to AB testing because usually the people I hear using that phrase are clueless marketing fscks

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juski:

just repeatedly turn the bitrate down until it looks so shite you can no longer stand it. then turn it up a bit until it's acceptable again ;)

[08:49:46]

grndslm:

well, i've seen the term on head-fi a lot since joining recently, and it's not like the whole friggin' forum uses it or anything

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Dagmar:

...anyway, stations ain't using tapes anymore, and even tapes didn't vary that much. The same program is going to have the same frames with the exception of bits that get chopped off here and there for sloppy commercial insertion

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grndslm:

and i'd like to turn the bitrate down until i notice it...but it's tricky when i can't record the same scene with different recording profiles to compare the same scene!

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Dagmar:

head-fi is the name of a forum

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grndslm:

yes

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grndslm:

www.head-fi.org

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grndslm:

headphone & audio equipment

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gardengnome:

grndslm: capture raw frames and transcode them?!

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juski:

forums suck

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and those people are prone to pseudo-science in the worst way

[08:51:29]

Dagmar:

I would be a rich man if I had a nickel for every time I was told by a "professional" that certain speakers wouldn't produce a particular frequency, etc etc

[08:51:31]

grndslm:

oh well, they helped me find the greatest pair of headphones in the world...and they only cost ~$15...

[08:51:36]

grndslm:

the Koss KSC-75

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grndslm:

and the Sony MDR-V6, greatest closed headphone for under $100...

[08:52:09]

grndslm:

but the KSCs still sound better

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gardengnome:

i had koss headphones once and the material quality SUCKED!

[08:52:24]

gardengnome:

they sounded great, though.

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juski:

/ignore hifi bores

[08:52:38]

Dagmar:

I wasn't very impressed with that model of over-the-ears

[08:52:54]

Dagmar:

Sound insulation on them definitely won't handle a nightclub

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grndslm:

i think they're awesome...i can bend them to shape my ear, they feel soo good that i don't feel them at all, they're so light...they just float on my ears

[08:53:21]

juski:

you don't need audio quality on DJing headphones

[08:53:27]

grndslm:

and why the heck would you be listing to some headphones in a nightclub??

[08:53:34]

Dagmar:

*I* would.

[08:53:46]

Dagmar:

The main point is that "best" is tied almost exclusively to *use*

[08:53:54]

juski:

al DJs are wankers though

[08:53:55]

grndslm:

ahh...well, that's what the MDR-V6s are for...closed headphones vs open headphones

[08:54:07]

Dagmar:

I use earbuds

[08:54:12]

grndslm:

poppy cock

[08:54:15]

grndslm:

for DJing?

[08:54:17]

Merlin83b:

Didn't you used to do some DJing, juski?

[08:54:19]

directhex|work:

i can't use earbuds. i have some behind-the-neck jobbies

[08:54:25]

Dagmar:

Not for DJing I don't

[08:54:29]

juski:

Merlin83b: yeah I speak from experience

[08:54:32]

juski:

they're all wankers

[08:54:48]

Merlin83b:

Hehe

[08:54:55]

grndslm:

hah...well, anyway...i use the KSCs for home & exercise use...they're awesome

[08:55:02]

juski:

holier than thou. lords of the dance. my arse

[08:55:08]

frink_:

juski: But all generalisations are wrong...

[08:55:08]

Dagmar:

Earbuds give better sound for the buck than most outside of the ear headphones, and you STILL find people preaching voodoo about them "pistoning" the bones of the ear, which is basically nonsense

[08:55:09]

grndslm:

anytime i need silence, i use the V6s....open or closed, depending on use

[08:55:36]

** Merlin83b hugs his Bose QC3s **

[08:55:51]

grndslm:

and they sound awesome...with GREAT bass, and even more comfortable than IEMs, IMO

[08:56:11]

Dagmar:

Umm... no.

[08:56:16]

grndslm:

they look a lil goofy, but i still can't believe how cheap they are

[08:56:20]

Dagmar:

They do not cost >$150

[08:56:31]

grndslm:

IEMs sure do

[08:56:33]

frink_:

Dagmar: as funny as Audiophile VooDoo BSS

[08:56:34]

Dagmar:

I have yet to pay more than $30 for a really sharp set of earbuds

[08:56:41]

grndslm:

haven't found any decent earbuds ever

[08:56:52]

Tanthrix:

Are there ear buds that don't suck? My Sennheiser HD 280 Pro set sounds about 20 times better than my ipod ear buds, as well as some random pair of sony ear buds that I have

[08:56:59]

Dagmar:

...although I've got one pair with noise-cancellation that mostly works that costs about $60

[08:57:14]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: iPod earbuds just ain't htat great

[08:57:16]

grndslm:

noise-cancellation seems like a joke...

[08:57:20]

directhex|work:

ear buds don't fit my ears

[08:57:32]

grndslm:

KSC-75s fit anyone with ear lobes

[08:57:36]

gardengnome:

the ipod ear buds are horrible, IMHO. i do have trouble keeping most ear buds in my ears, though

[08:57:37]

hads:

Mmm Sennheiser

[08:57:46]

Dagmar:

grndslm: It's not a panacea that people expect is the main issue

[08:57:57]

Merlin83b:

Noise cancellation is a joke? Ever actually used it, grndslm?

[08:58:08]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Yah, I figured, But still, just by the simple physics of it (the fact that they are so damn small) I can't imagine any are good for high quality monitoring and such

[08:58:14]

directhex|work:

grndslm, ear buds fit behind a small ridge of cartilege in the ear that i lack

[08:58:17]

Merlin83b:

I have Bose QC3s and Bose Aviator Xs and wouldn't change them for anything.

[08:58:18]

juski:

anyway

[08:58:20]

gardengnome:

hads: i had sennheiser mx 300 once and didn't liked them a lot. suppose it's a really individual decision

[08:58:30]

Merlin83b:

Dammit, I didn't want to join in with this.

[08:58:40]

juski:

christ I'm off to do some work – that's how dull it got here

[08:58:47]

directhex|work:

juski, hi-fi people are being boring. how's the not-smoking thing going?

[08:58:48]

Tanthrix:

To say nothing of the complete lack of noise cancelling ability of ear buds compared to closed circumaural

[08:58:53]

grndslm:

i have not, but it seems like buds, IEMs, and closed headphones prolly do a decent enough job of "blocking" out noise that you don't need a battery for such a feature

[08:58:54]

hads:

gardengnome: Totally. I love mine, couldn't tell you what the model is though.

[08:58:58]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Inverse square law. You don't have to use as much energy when the diaphragm is that much closer to the eardrum

[08:59:34]

frink_:

so for 700 UKP of disk space You will get one week of 12 channels permanantly recorded

[08:59:57]

Merlin83b:

grndslm: Don't comment on it until you've tried it.

[09:00:00]

grndslm:

directhex|work: i'd recommend the KSC-75s for anyone that wants comfortable, awesome sounding cans for $15

[09:00:07]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: So? Energy isn't an issue. Quality, frequency reproduction, and the ability to block out outside noise are.

[09:00:24]

frink_:

Now I just need multirecord and another two tuners :)

[09:00:32]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Actually, it is. This is the reason a much smaller element can do the same thing as a larger element

[09:00:32]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Can you recommend a good pair of earbuds? My ipod ones are going out, so I do kind of need a new pair

[09:01:07]

frink_:

Tanthrix: find a pound shop and get some 99p earbuds ;-)

[09:01:26]

Dagmar:

I usually just buy Sony earbuds, preferably something teardrop shaped

[09:01:40]

Dagmar:

God no don't buy Labtec-type stuff

[09:01:54]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: i liked my koss "the plug" a lot, but inserting them is rather awkward and it just doesn't feel clean after you've used them a few times ;) http://www.koss.com/koss/kossweb.nsf/p?openfo . . . %5Eeb%5EPLUG

[09:01:55]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Energy usage != quality. Just because it uses less energy doesn't mean a damn thing. (And it's not like we don't have enough juice to make the things go)

[09:02:01]

Dagmar:

I have a problem even conceiving of how they can make stuff that sucks that badly

[09:02:17]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: It takes less energy to move the smaller components

[09:02:50]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: You realize you're basically arguing that a CPU is less desireable for computation than a giant Hollerith engine, right?

[09:03:23]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: Interesting, I'll take a look.

[09:03:30]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Smaller components == less inertia == less annoying material science issues

[09:03:52]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: the bass on them was great.

[09:04:50]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Your analogy doesn't make a single bit of sense.

[09:05:01]

gardengnome:

bitch fight...

[09:05:05]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[09:05:08]

directhex|work:

http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productd . . . ansid=500501

[09:05:08]

Tanthrix:

Not tonight. Bed time for me.

[09:05:09]

juski:

directhex|work: until earlier I didn't want to kill anybody.

[09:05:14]

juski:

now the hifi bores must die!

[09:05:30]

directhex|work:

juski, strangle them with £100 gold-plated cables!

[09:05:36]

Merlin83b:

Heh

[09:05:41]

Tanthrix:

(And for the record, I am *not* an audiophile in any remote sense of the word.)

[09:05:43]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: When you move a speaker cone forward, it takes energy to get it to start moving, to overcome the simple inertia...

[09:06:07]

Dagmar:

So you wind up with a difference between the signal you send it, and the shape of the resulting waveform. It's a very small distortion, but it's there.

[09:06:23]

Tanthrix:

Which reminds me, an EE friend of mine was at his friend's house, and the guy was trying to convince him that if you drew on the inside of a CD with a black sharpie it "decreased reflections" and made the audio sound better

[09:06:24]

Dagmar:

The less mass involved in the whole transaction, the less inertia there will be to muck things up, and that's just for starters

[09:06:35]

Dagmar:

That man is just high

[09:06:37]

** juski imagines Sun readers gathering a posse together to lynch audiophiles **

[09:06:38]

Dagmar:

It's a digital media

[09:07:10]

Dagmar:

That's up ther with arguing about signal attenuation on an HDMI cable

[09:07:11]

Tanthrix:

So my friend took out his credit card and said "Maybe if I do that to my credit card I'll get more money!"

[09:07:20]

Dagmar:

You either have enough signal for a picture, or you don't.

[09:07:45]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: error correction might make it sound worse, though. or rather the failure of the error correction ;)

[09:07:52]

directhex|work:

how about $14,900 for a pair of 2m speaker cables?

[09:08:08]

Merlin83b:

No thanks.

[09:08:12]

directhex|work:

gardengnome, given the anti-error-correction DRM these days, isn't that a given?

[09:09:00]

gardengnome:

i don't buy DRM CDs *shrug*

[09:09:09]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Anyway, I'm not proposing that "big head phones == quality," just that I've never, ever seen a studio tech in my life wearing ear buds for monitoring, nor have I ever heard an audio engineer proport the benefits of ear buds.

[09:09:10]

directhex|work:

gardengnome, good!

[09:09:26]

gardengnome:

and i hope people are suying sony.

[09:09:26]

directhex|work:

Tanthrix, how many of them own http://www.stereophile.com/cables/1206tara/ ?

[09:09:30]

gardengnome:

suing*

[09:09:45]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: i mostly listen to heavy metal stuff, there's not much DRM there

[09:09:46]

grndslm:

sorry to get on topic, but does mytharchive only burn dvds? not svcds? i don't see much documentation on mytharchive. . .

[09:09:50]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: So, I'm inclined to trust the rest of the world, my personal experience with ear buds of the years, and general logic over you. (Though that doesn't mean I'm right) ;)

[09:10:07]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: That's because earbuds are teh suck for eliminating outside noise sources because they have no acoustic padding

[09:10:17]

Lathiat:

but ear buds fit in my pocket

[09:10:24]

Lathiat:

big headphones do not :P

[09:10:26]

Dagmar:

Ya can't be doing studio mixes and listening to the other engineers in the room fart at the same time

[09:10:33]

juski:

the thing about audiophiles is that they're always right & everybody else is always wrong

[09:10:59]

Dagmar:

I wish more of them would take EE courses

[09:11:11]

Tanthrix:

juski, you mean you don't have $1500 platinum plated power cables for maximum transmission!?!

[09:11:28]

juski:

we should twist their beards together & throw them off a cliff

[09:11:33]

Lathiat:

Tanthrix: you need five-nines oxygen free copper also...

[09:11:51]

Tanthrix:

But, that's what you get. Religious folks, ufologists, audiophiles – all the same loonies.

[09:11:51]

Dagmar:

Oooo oxygen-free!

[09:12:04]

grndslm:

where're the organic cables?

[09:12:04]

Lathiat:

so dont breath in the copper

[09:12:07]

Lathiat:

you might die

[09:12:13]

Tanthrix:

And with that note, I'm off.

[09:12:42]

Dagmar:

I suppose if I were assembling a radio transmitter and I knew probably no one would be going back into the shack for the next 20 years, I'd want oxygen-free cables.

[09:12:43]

juski:

once you sort out the Middle East, move onto audio 'purists' ;)

[09:13:58]

Dagmar:

20 years is not an out-of-the-question figure, BTW

[09:14:14]

Dagmar:

91.1's transmitter has had someone physically at it I think all of twice in the last 15 years

[09:14:41]

gardengnome:

i bet they only needed access because they used cheap cables

[09:14:46]

Dagmar:

The second time it was a telco technician bringing up the ISDN connection to it

[09:15:21]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: Well, the other was taking a look at why the station was being picked up over in the next um, state

[09:15:26]

grndslm:

does mytharchive only burn dvds? not svcds? i don't see much documentation on mytharchive. . .how to start it perhaps

[09:15:54]

Dagmar:

"Someone" who ran the antenna wire up the tower apparently wasn't aware that the assigned cable length was not the length of cable he was given.

[09:15:57]

directhex|work:

grndslm, dvd only. why do you want svcd?

[09:16:07]

Dagmar:

...so he just ran the wire up and up until he got to the top

[09:16:12]

juski:

why the fuck would anybody in their right mind want to burn a fucking svcd?

[09:16:22]

** gardengnome beers juski again **

[09:16:25]

Dagmar:

So, umm... licence for 14,500W, and hello 28,500 ERP

[09:16:38]

directhex|work:

juski, because a £18 dvd burner costs too much?

[09:16:41]

gardengnome:

because they don't have a DVD writer? ;)

[09:16:56]

juski:

hahahaha

[09:17:00]

grndslm:

can a standalone player play multiple videos on a dvd?

[09:17:04]

Dagmar:

juski: In deference to the way asian pirates distribute their media

[09:17:14]

grndslm:

i'd like one video on each disc...

[09:17:18]

Dagmar:

grndslm: Not generally unless it was meant to play data DVDs

[09:17:28]

grndslm:

well, there's one reason

[09:17:45]

juski:

a CD is generally the unit of the 'release' from 'groups' isn't it?

[09:17:47]

grndslm:

2 is i have a shit ton of cds that i never got around to burning distros & music cds with

[09:17:47]

directhex|work:

grndslm, that depends. have you ever seen a dvd containing "episodes" of a "series"?

[09:18:26]

grndslm:

directhex|work: yes, but that doesn't look like something that i'd easily be able to do

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directhex|work:

grndslm, except mytharchive does it automatically as standard

[09:19:05]

directhex|work:

grndslm, just keep adding things to a disc until it moans the disc is full

[09:19:05]

Dagmar:

...once it's configured to, um... work

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, pfft, configure? that's a package maintainer's job

[09:19:19]

grndslm:

hmm....well, that would make svcds retarded...yes

[09:19:38]

juski:

fair dues, but rememebr you'd only know that if you'd read some documentation, so give the guy a break eh

[09:19:40]

Dagmar:

grndslm: No, I think they were pretty retarded before htne

[09:19:45]

directhex|work:

you can fit, what, about 30 minutes' video at a sensible quality onto SVCD?

[09:20:12]

directhex|work:

i used to use SVCD for my rips, back when i were a lad without a dvd burner

[09:20:12]

Dagmar:

directhex: Not even the asian pirates tend to go for more than an hour per disc

[09:20:41]

directhex|work:

i remember doing 5 CDs for LOTR1

[09:20:44]

directhex|work:

that was excessive

[09:20:49]

grndslm:

i rarely saw a movie take 3 discs...usually 2

[09:21:04]

Dagmar:

Strangely all mine fit on one disc

[09:21:07]

grndslm:

even vcds really didn't look so bad to me with a regular tube

[09:21:21]

Dagmar:

Except when I buy the ones with the ludicrous numbers of special features

[09:21:22]

directhex|work:

after all those quality discussions, we're using low-grade svcd ¬_¬

[09:21:28]

Dagmar:

Like that seven disc LOTR set

[09:21:33]

Dagmar:

I mean, what the fuck?

[09:21:53]

Dagmar:

Who wants to listen to audio commentary from the guy who delivered the coffee to the staff on the third shooting location?

[09:21:59]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, i need to work out how to rip that. i'm thinking i'll have to allocate twice my usual dvdrip size since it's 2 discs' worth of movie

[09:22:20]

directhex|work:

i hope avidemux treats the seam with care and love

[09:22:26]

Dagmar:

directhex: You don't want to rip it. I'm not kidding much about that.

[09:22:45]

Dagmar:

There's an excessively large edition I have that has audio commentary from pretty much everyone you see on the screen at any given moment

[09:22:50]

Dagmar:

...but only about half the orcs.

[09:22:55]

Dagmar:

That'll probably be the NEXT release

[09:23:12]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, the missus will want it done though. i don't include commentary etc on my rips, so it's just the movie and english sound track to worry about

[09:23:13]

gardengnome:

LOTR as overrated.

[09:23:14]

gardengnome:

7me runs

[09:23:39]

Dagmar:

No joke, "third young hobbit" talks for about 10 minutes

[09:23:41]

grndslm:

soo....uh, after i've selected some recordings for mytharchive... how do i start it?

[09:24:30]

Dagmar:

Speaking of LOTR, Penny Arcade was pretty good today

[09:24:40]

directhex|work:

yesterday

[09:24:54]

Dagmar:

Yesterday for you, today for those of us who just got up a few hours ago

[09:28:56]

gardengnome:

the UI for mytharchive sucks, imho. (no, i'm not going to submit a patch.)

[09:29:25]

frink_:

gardengnome: oh go on... you know you want to.

[09:29:48]

frink_:

when i submitted a kernel patch in like 1999 I got this back

[09:30:15]

frink_:

"Who the hell wrote this shit? Like it fixes the bug and all but there's no chance this will ever make it, it's fucking awfull"

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gardengnome:

heh

[09:30:36]

Dagmar:

frink_: Don't send patches to Theo directly then

[09:31:20]

frink_:

heh

[09:31:44]

sid3windr:

lol

[09:32:05]

grndslm:

ok...so i go to export video files --> create dvd and it says "Cannot find the MythArchive work directory...."

[09:32:09]

grndslm:

but it is there

[09:32:18]

frink_:

permissions?

[09:32:32]

grndslm:

hmm...lemme check

[09:32:35]

frink_:

actually i had problems with myth finding the video directory.. did something change?

[09:32:43]

sid3windr:

myeah, i've got some problems like that too :p

[09:32:50]

sid3windr:

myth doesn't see any video's

[09:32:52]

frink_:

that is the video directory for external video files.. I mount a remote server via nfs and an apple on SMB

[09:33:02]

frink_:

sid3windr: Yes thats it, sees no videos..

[09:33:26]

frink_:

i made it see some if I go into the parental control bit and set parentel control settings..

[09:33:40]

sid3windr:

I wonder if it streams video from the backend or you have to mount the video's on the frontend?

[09:33:46]

sid3windr:

(i did both though, in the same path, to be sure)

[09:33:56]

frink_:

yup me too..

[09:34:09]

frink_:

oh well. i'll lok at it again later on, I have 3 weeks off work now...

[09:34:35]

frink_:

hay I may evern submit a patch!

[09:35:00]

** frink_ works on nova-t 500 remote **

[09:36:18]

grndslm:

no other suggestions on how to correct mytharchive? permissions wasn't the problem

[09:36:25]

grndslm:

...unless i have to restart the frontend, which i doubt

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Dagmar:

Rolled up newspaper

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grndslm:

i think irc is this weird place where people come together with the common goal to confuse the shit outta others

[09:39:28]

mIRCat:

vi interactive!

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frink_:

hah

[09:42:20]

frink_:

grndslm: I have never used mytharchive...

[09:42:30]

frink_:

so it says the mytharchive working dir aint there?

[09:42:40]

grndslm:

yup...and it is

[09:42:43]

frink_:

did you say you checked the permissions?

[09:42:44]

grndslm:

which 777 permissions

[09:42:48]

grndslm:

*with

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frink_:

bah my backend crashed again (nova-t 500 with old kernel)

[09:44:29]

frink_:

how do you get blooth fedora kernels updated?

[09:44:39]

frink_:

this damned rpm stuff kills me..

[09:45:20]

Zider:

I stay the heck away from any RPM based distros ;)

[09:46:07]

frink_:

i just did it because mythdora looked easy and I have zero time...

[09:46:15]

frink_:

but yeah

[09:46:23]

frink_:

for work servers i use Slackware whenever possible

[09:46:34]

Zider:

I'm a gentoo guy muself

[09:46:50]

frink_:

id gentoo .deb ?

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Zider:

no, ebuild

[09:47:10]

Zider:

source based

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frink_:

yeah course....

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frink_:

sorry

[09:47:38]

frink_:

does ebuild do dependency resolution?

[09:48:07]

anykey_:

frink_: yes ;-)

[09:48:11]

Zider:

yeah

[09:48:32]

frink_:

clever

[09:48:40]

frink_:

ebuild mythtv

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frink_:

come back in a week? ;-)

[09:48:48]

Zider:

emerge mythtv

[09:48:49]

Zider:

:)

[09:49:13]

grndslm:

rpm doesn't resolve dependencies as well as debs?? why do people hate rpms so much?

[09:49:28]

frink_:

i usually find that upgrading RPM dist kernels is so much of a pain that it's easier to wait for the next release...

[09:49:52]

anykey_:

frink_: building mythtv is about 20 minutes on my machine I think

[09:49:56]

frink_:

grndslm: how do you upgrade a fedora kernel with RPM?

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grndslm:

frink_: no idea, i use ubuntu for the debs!

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frink_:

hmm

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frink_:

i will make a slackware myythtv distro

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hugolp:

XD

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hugolp:

grndslm: XD

[09:51:54]

frink_:

installpkg mythtv

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frink_:

lovely

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hugolp:

frink_: in ubuntu feisty you can install ubuntu in 5 minutes

[09:52:18]

hugolp:

the only non automated process is to install mysql

[09:52:26]

hugolp:

but I am sure you wont have any problems

[09:52:41]

hugolp:

install mythtv in 5 minutes I mean

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hugolp:

:P

[09:53:14]

grndslm:

i'd really like to setup a kickstart config file so that i can automate my ubuntu installs....*that* would be sweet

[09:53:24]

sid3windr:

yup

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hugolp:

frink_: I have the wintv-nova-t-500 and I am having problems with my back end crashing as well. I though it was because I have crappy reception. Can you tell me your problems?

[09:55:25]

frink_:

hugolp: what kernel do you have? There are known problems with 2.6.20 or lower

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gardengnome:

hugolp: get a backtrace and open a ticket in trac.

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gbee:

hugolp: you need to disable EIT

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frink_:

the kernel looses the USB connection to the card and will oops

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hugolp:

I am using Ubuntu feisty

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frink_:

aparrently it is fixed in 2.6.21/22

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gbee:

and the USB disconnect affects kernels later than 2.6.20 too

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frink_:

but I cant upgrade my box because it runs bloody fedora

[09:56:23]

frink_:

gbee: Oh, when is it fixed?

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hugolp:

ubuntu feisty kernel is 2.60.20

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frink_:

gbee: Should I work on the remote and submit a patch or has that been done already?

[09:56:49]

hugolp:

so that might be it

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frink_:

yeah I have 2.6.20 as well upgrade it.

[09:57:08]

frink_:

how do you upgrade kernels in ubuntu?

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hugolp:

gbee: Ill try disabling EIT

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frink_:

shit this used to be easy! downlaod kernel, set options, make clean;make zImage; cp zImage /boot; lilo

[09:58:06]

Zider:

hmm, it seems that nVidias latest gfx chip series decodes 100% of blu-ray and hd-dvd H.264.. should make a nice offload.. but to what prize? :P

[09:58:09]

gardengnome:

frink_: if you're just looking for new DVB drivers, see www.linuxtv.org

[09:58:25]

gardengnome:

frink_: if it's a problem with the USB stack in linux itself, you'll need to get a new kernel though

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gbee:

active EIT scanning triggers the disconnect because of the constant channel changing, it's also possible to trigger it when changing channels in livetv

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hugolp:

gbee: I see so disconecting EIT will make it better but not completely right

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gbee:

hugolp: yeah

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gbee:

the only sure fix is to grab the latest driver (I say sure-fix but I'm not sure whether it's been confirmed to completely prevent the problem)

[10:02:09]

gbee:

hugolp: make sure you're using the very latest version from svn and if it still occurs then submit a bug

[10:02:18]

hugolp:

ok

[10:03:31]

hugolp:

besides the wintv-nova-t-500 any dvb-t card recomended?

[10:03:46]

Sid`:

i like the Dvico Fusion DVB-T

[10:03:56]

Sid`:

seems to have the most sensitive tuner of all the ones i've tried

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hugolp:

Ill check it

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gbee:

the ordinary nova-t is fine. Despite the driver issues the 500 is a good card

[10:13:32]

hugolp:

gbee: I know but I have a friend that needs one and I was thinking to get ride of the problem

[10:13:33]

hugolp:

XD

[10:14:16]

hugolp:

Theres a Dvico pci thats similar to the nova 500 but it looks like theres dvico in australia only, at least the first google page

[10:14:23]

juski:

frink_: you can still do it that way. you don't have to use the (broken) ubunut method

[10:15:39]

juski:

I'd recommend the cards I use if you could still buy em :)

[10:16:00]

hugolp:

and just for curiosity, that is?

[10:16:03]

juski:

otherwise I'd say leadtek dtv1000 – newer version of the cards I use :)

[10:16:28]

gbee:

isn't there an unstable repo for ubuntu? One where they stick snapshots of the latest kernels?

[10:16:59]

juski:

whn making your own kernel isn't that hard I'd not bother tbh

[10:17:15]

gbee:

got an Leadtek LR6550 myself, in addition to a Nova-T and a Nova-T 500

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juski:

did you ever make the 6650 work?

[10:17:55]

gbee:

juski: it's not hard, but unless I have good reason to do it I don't bother building my own kernels any more

[10:18:16]

juski:

heh me either

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gbee:

juski: one of them yes, never got the one I bought recently off ebay to work

[10:18:23]

Dagmar:

gbee: Knowing it's ubuntu, do you _really_ want the stuff they *admit* is unstable?

[10:18:47]

gbee:

Dagmar: heh

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hugolp:

why do I feel Ubuntu its going to be the new windows?

[10:19:21]

hugolp:

windows like

[10:19:27]

Dagmar:

Because they're doing the same stupid thing Windows did...

[10:19:38]

Dagmar:

Telling users that no matter how stupid they are... it's *okay*.

[10:19:45]

gbee:

I live off the Mandriva 'Cooker' repos, occassionally broken stuff but the majority is stable enough :)

[10:20:02]

grndslm:

ya know...or just doing things an acceptable and easy way

[10:20:09]

hugolp:

Dagmar: actually its the way people like to be treated

[10:20:17]

grndslm:

Ubuntu: Linux for Human Beings

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grndslm:

ya can't beat it

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juski:

ubuntu's rationale seems to be that if it's too hard, it's not the user's fault for being thick

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gardengnome:

it's all about misanthropy

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gbee:

well now that Dell are shipping Ubuntu on their machines, it's certainly going to end up being the linux distro for the masses

[10:20:47]

Merlin83b:

Dagmar: Never really worked with customers, have you?

[10:21:02]

Dagmar:

grndslm: I can beat it very easily. "Slackware: Linux for sentient life"

[10:21:17]

Dagmar:

Merlin83b: I have. Occasionally their bodies are found.

[10:21:23]

hugolp:

Dagmar: knowing computer staff and being a grown up doesnt have nothing to do really

[10:21:36]

Dagmar:

hugolp: Your argument is bullshit.

[10:21:40]

hugolp:

Dagmar: do you know about law?

[10:21:52]

Dagmar:

"knowing computer stuff" is *not* where this broken policy of "the user is always right" ends.

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hugolp:

when you go to the lawyer what do you want? a law class or a law advise?

[10:22:08]

Dagmar:

I go to a lawyer.

[10:22:12]

Dagmar:

Some of the time.

[10:22:29]

Dagmar:

Some of the time I go look up the law myself because I can read, even though I don't expect most people to be able to read law books.

[10:22:45]

hugolp:

Dagmar: then you are over the average

[10:22:59]

hugolp:

Average people are not like that

[10:23:17]

Dagmar:

But Microsoft, and to a lesser degree, Ubuntu, are catering to a class of user so damn thick-skulled that if you only communicated with them through a terminal you'd have a hell of a time telling them apart from say, Bobo the signing orangutan

[10:23:25]

hugolp:

and they get angry if you try to explain things the right way because they dont understand and feel stupid.

[10:23:30]

Dagmar:

Illiteracy can *not* be supported.

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juski:

average folks are a) thick or b) lazy or c) thick and lazy

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grndslm:

gbee: did Dell really say they were going to use Ubuntu?

[10:24:02]

hugolp:

grndslm: its in their website alredy

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juski:

they ask questions like "hey, I was thinking about using mythtv – do I need to install an OS to do that?"

[10:24:10]

Dagmar:

If they were truly "average" they'd have an IQ of 100, which is about five to seven points above where I think people should be doing more than just drooling at web porn

[10:24:13]

hugolp:

theres a video with the ubuntu leader

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gbee:

I've actually got no issues with the Ubuntu approach, there are people out there who aren't very bright and more importantly people who don't want to learn something new just to use their computer – so let those people have ubuntu, the rest of us still have a choice of distros

[10:24:18]

gbee:

grndslm: yes

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Merlin83b:

grndslm: Yep, on two desktops and one notebook as an option, apparently.

[10:24:39]

Merlin83b:

By the end of May or something daft.

[10:24:42]

hugolp:

Dagmar: As juski pointed the average guy with 100 IQ is fucking lazy

[10:24:57]

Dagmar:

...but when you start adding these adult *morons* to the internet in bulk, it fucks things up

[10:24:58]

juski:

they also ask questions like "hey I've got a tuner with one video input. can I use it to record more than one input at the same time?"

[10:25:06]

Dagmar:

i.e., The September That Never Ended

[10:25:38]

hugolp:

Dagmar: Obviously Ubuntu its not a distro for you. But I think its good that it exists. Actually I have been in linux for 4 months only and got into it thanks to Ubuntu

[10:25:44]

Zider:

http://www.bash.org/?758032 – speaking of IQ

[10:25:46]

Zider:

:D

[10:25:47]

Dagmar:

Let's take this from another approach, one that people with kids in public school can understand...

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hugolp:

now I am going to start helping in a project

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grndslm:

thing is...most people like yourselves could answer these idiots' questions with a simple "no, you must have 2 tuners"

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gbee:

Dagmar: that's why AOL was so great, you hive them off into their own little sub-internet, they never know the difference and generally are kept out of the way

[10:26:10]

juski:

grndslm: shouting is much more fun

[10:26:12]

Dagmar:

What happens when you take ten classes worth of third grade children and put them all under one teacher who is trying already to teach sixth graders?

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Dagmar:

Answer: No one learns shit.

[10:26:20]

grndslm:

NO IT'S NOT!

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grndslm:

problem is documentation

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Dagmar:

gbee: Until, of course, AOL decided the interwebs were cool again, and started pouring the stupid all over everything

[10:27:00]

grndslm:

ubuntu has corrected lots of piss poor documentation in OSS community

[10:27:08]

grndslm:

and i respect them for making it this far

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juski:

grndslm: pardon us for not answering every possible question ahead of time

[10:27:21]

grndslm:

you're excused

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hugolp:

XD

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Dagmar:

grndslm: None of it means shit when these people don't read

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gbee:

Dagmar: unforunately :( but until they did that, I never really understood the need for something like AOL :)

[10:28:07]

Dagmar:

gbee: I was campaigning for them to be KEPT k-lined from EFnet

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juski:

AOL is for bringing the intertubes to the masses

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hugolp:

something I realize working as sales man is people is dam stupid and you can make a lot of money out of it

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Dagmar:

AOL sure as heck stayed banned from #RAve for about a year straight

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sladegen:

make videos,,, they surelly can follow the mouse pointer1!1!!

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hugolp:

the problem is that the sales man is not the one doing lots of money, the busines man is

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Dagmar:

sladegen: They have to have an attention span for that...

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gbee:

grndslm: the reason we have a wiki is precisely because we can't think of every scenario, every question and we don't even have time to document the stuff we _can_ think of – the wiki exists so people can answer their own questions for the benefit of future users

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juski:

Dagmar: more than enough people raved about linuxmce's video

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sladegen:

Dagmar: compress them and show them when they sleep :-p

[10:29:50]

juski:

we should have another effort to blitz the wiki

[10:29:58]

Dagmar:

...and Ubuntu is starting to follow in their footsteps in that respect.

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juski:

ban people posting _stupid_ feature requests & instead concentrate on documenting existing features

[10:30:29]

hugolp:

Dagmar: yes, and whats wrong with that?

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grndslm:

let's start with mytharchive...why can't it find its working directory??

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Dagmar:

hugolp: It goes along with the "you have to grow up" comment I made earlier..

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gbee:

juski: what we should do is answering every new question here, tell the user "Now go and write it down in the wiki"

[10:30:47]

Ruleke:

hideliho mytherinos

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hugolp:

Dagmar: people dont want to grow up. They want things easy

[10:31:04]

Dagmar:

hugolp: Your parents didnt' give you a piece of candy every time you wanted it as a toddler, or you'd be one of those disgusting 800lb shut-ins now

[10:31:11]

hugolp:

thats how the world was, is and will be

[10:31:18]

Dagmar:

No, it isn't.

[10:31:26]

gbee:

juski: we need the feature request pages as a /dev/null to avoid that crap spilling onto the mailing lists or trac

[10:31:29]

juski:

hugolp: humanity needs people who have a thirst for learning. if we all end up people cattle with no brains of our own, God help us!

[10:31:29]

Dagmar:

And no, it won't be.

[10:31:40]

grndslm:

myth could come with better default recording profiles...instead of all 4 of the default profiles having the same resolution & bitrate, etc.

[10:31:46]

grndslm:

mytharchive could work

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Dagmar:

If that were anything other than bullshit, hugolp, there would be no internet

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hugolp:

juski: you have too much faith in humanity

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hugolp:

we are just monkeys

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juski:

hugolp: fuck off

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hugolp:

juski: I mean it

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hugolp:

just a few of us want to learn

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Ruleke:

IRCing monkeys apparently

[10:32:18]

Dagmar:

I'll be happy to throw shit at you, but I am not a monkey.

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gbee:

grndslm: well you know the answer to that, 'Patches are welcome'

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grndslm:

juski: humanity needs more people who can teach efficiently than a thirst for learning

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mIRCat:

I have thumbs

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grndslm:

the thirst is inherent

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grndslm:

the good teachers are hard to come by

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Dagmar:

mIRCat: Umm... monkeys have thumbs, too.

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Ruleke:

he didn't say he wasn't one ;)

[10:32:56]

mIRCat:

I think i provedmy point

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hugolp:

I am a monkey

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Ruleke:

he just discovered the thumbs ;)

[10:33:04]

grndslm:

i am not

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hugolp:

well... you share 98% of the ADN

[10:33:24]

Ruleke:

I'm an ape, not a monkey :)

[10:33:31]

grndslm:

hah

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Dagmar:

I am Homo Homocidis.

[10:33:39]

grndslm:

i'm a pirate

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grndslm:

hardy har har

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hugolp:

plus we really look like monkeys with less hair and we walk more straigh

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mIRCat:

I like cheese

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hugolp:

but thats about it

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Ruleke:

no tail though

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Ruleke:

pity

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Ruleke:

:)

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gbee:

it's not so much the teachers even, as the way we learn – I love learning, but I like it even better when I don't have to sit an exam at the end of it :)

[10:34:13]

hugolp:

have you seen people acting in big groups? now tell me we dont look like monkeis?

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grndslm:

sometimes evolution seems pretty tough even with hundreds of millions of years

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hugolp:

grndslm: XD

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grndslm:

what's this XD shit?

[10:34:37]

hugolp:

lauhging

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Dagmar:

Monkey talk

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grndslm:

ahh

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hugolp:

why are you so snob?

[10:34:49]

grndslm:

i see it now

[10:34:57]

Ruleke:

It's an emoticon... just like in WIndows XP

[10:35:02]

Dagmar:

LOL

[10:35:06]

hugolp:

XDDD

[10:35:08]

Dagmar:

Oh that's truly precious

[10:35:10]

grndslm:

Dagmar is the hugest snob ever

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hugolp:

Ruleke: that was a good one

[10:35:29]

Ruleke:

mooo

[10:35:31]

Dagmar:

I am the unrelenting, unforgiving voice of progress.

[10:35:32]

Ruleke:

I'm a cow now

[10:35:43]

juski:

I told you before that XD means "hi I'm Emo"

[10:35:45]

Ruleke:

anyway, is this the mythtv channel or what ;)

[10:36:09]

hugolp:

it use to be

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grndslm:

or Hi I'm asian

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gbee:

repeating the same things day after day for the task of writing 2000 word essays on the subject actually killed my interest in a few subjects

[10:36:26]

mIRCat:

They voted and it's not anymore

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Dagmar:

I'll take the essayes

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hugolp:

Dagmar: seriouslly, I think that the fact that linux have different distros aimed to different people but still more or less compatible is a great thing

[10:38:25]

Dagmar:

hugolp: I don't have a problem with distros targeted at different skilll levels.

[10:38:51]

Dagmar:

Like I said, I have a problem with a distro acting like even the biggest idiot should be able to use a computer.

[10:38:52]

grndslm:

but i think that the way that ubuntu is becoming the lsb is great because it gives all desktops (xfce, gnome, etc.) a central OS to build off of

[10:38:57]

Dagmar:

It sets a very bad false expectation..

[10:39:18]

grndslm:

ubuntu will own all of you before you know it

[10:39:26]

Dagmar:

Basically, when you make a system so simple that children can use it in it's entirety, you have created a system that only children will find useful.

[10:39:31]

juski:

all your OS are belong to us!

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juski:

XD

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grndslm:

eggzachary

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pat_:

juski: you emo?

[10:39:43]

juski:

seeya suckers

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Dagmar:

grdnslm: I will loose a virus targeted at them before that happens

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k-man_:

hi guys

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Dagmar:

Or if I don't, I know probably 100 people who might beat me to it

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k-man_:

do you have to do anything special so mythvideo can play divx encoded videos?

[10:40:05]

hugolp:

Dagmar: dont agree with that.

[10:40:24]

Dagmar:

hugolp: You've not done as much interface and system design as I have then

[10:40:31]

hugolp:

k installing divx drivers?

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grndslm:

anything special so that mytharchive can see its working directory???

[10:40:45]

hugolp:

Dagmar: probably

[10:41:39]

hugolp:

Can I speak about mythtv for a while?

[10:41:46]

hugolp:

;)

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k-man_:

hugolp, ok...

[10:41:47]

Dagmar:

No one's stopping you//

[10:41:58]

Dagmar:

Stop trying to call us all monkeys and you'll have less trouble.

[10:42:09]

Ruleke:

moo

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hugolp:

Dagmar: your ego is going over the roof right now

[10:42:24]

grndslm:

ehh...which systems were these that dell is giving option for ubuntu??

[10:42:30]

hugolp:

we are part of the monkey family

[10:42:37]

hugolp:

admit it and you will live hapier

[10:42:42]

k-man_:

under debian, which packages have the divx drivers?

[10:42:46]

hugolp:

it is a fact actually

[10:42:50]

Ruleke:

go look up the difference between monkeys and apes :p

[10:43:01]

Dagmar:

grndslm: The ones that they dont' actually sell

[10:43:08]

grndslm:

figures

[10:43:23]

hugolp:

Ruleke: I am spanish. I dont really know the exact meanings of english words, but you get want I want to say right?

[10:43:35]

Dagmar:

hugolp: Stop trying to oversimplify things into some child's idea of the world and you might actually live

[10:43:46]

hugolp:

well, anyway as Ruleke said: MUUUUU!

[10:44:02]

Ruleke:

nonono... mooo

[10:44:05]

hugolp:

Dagmar: the simplest idea is usually the right one

[10:44:18]

hugolp:

Ruleke: in spanish the caw does MUUUUU!

[10:44:21]

Dagmar:

hugolp: No.

[10:44:30]

Ruleke:

silly cows, ddin't know they spoke languages

[10:44:31]

Ruleke:

:)

[10:44:32]

Dagmar:

"Bromides are usually bullshit"

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hugolp:

Ruleke: XD

[10:45:18]

Ruleke:

it's quite interesting this sounds thing and languages actually

[10:45:34]

Ruleke:

stuff like a machine gun in comics will sound different when you change languages :)

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hugolp:

yep, english its actually weird about how it sounds

[10:46:05]

grndslm:

and phone rings

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hugolp:

it has almost no relation about how you write it and how it sounds

[10:46:16]

Ruleke:

even for those languages I speak, I know it just sounds different :)

[10:46:20]

grndslm:

and OUCH

[10:46:26]

hugolp:

in spanish the same letter sounds allways the same no mater where it tis

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Dagmar:

Suuuure

[10:47:02]

Dagmar:

I only had two semesters of Spanish and I know better than that

[10:47:06]

Ruleke:

I don't speak spanish very well, but I'm sure that's not right

[10:47:09]

grndslm:

yea, me too

[10:47:28]

hugolp:

XD Are you trying to explain spanish to an spanish guy?

[10:47:29]

hugolp:

lol

[10:47:51]

hugolp:

go on

[10:47:52]

Ruleke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_phonology

[10:47:53]

Dagmar:

Why not?

[10:48:02]

hugolp:

Dagmar: go on

[10:48:04]

Dagmar:

We have to explain English to Americans on a regular basis

[10:48:29]

Dagmar:

Just because you're "spanish" doesn't mean jack

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hugolp:

Dagmar: I see where your atitude comes from

[10:48:41]

hugolp:

you are british

[10:48:45]

Dagmar:

No, I'm not.

[10:48:52]

hugolp:

then?

[10:49:01]

Dagmar:

I'm Southern.

[10:49:17]

hugolp:

and that means?

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Ruleke:

you come off as a tad abrasive, hugolp

[10:49:30]

Ruleke:

even for a Spaniard ;)

[10:49:32]

Ruleke:

hehe

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Dagmar:

It means I'm from the south.

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hugolp:

Ruleke: I dont get that but I am guessing its not good

[10:50:05]

hugolp:

Ruleke: I lived two years in England and I know a bit about british atitude

[10:50:12]

hugolp:

its fun when you get use to it

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hugolp:

british are fun, you just have to understand their way

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Ruleke:

I've lived there too

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** gbee doesn't like the British **

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Dagmar:

hugolp: So how does the existance of the voiced dental plosive 'd' fit in with your claim that the same letter in Spanish is always the same?

[10:53:11]

hugolp:

mande?

[10:53:21]

Dagmar:

dedo

[10:53:32]

hugolp:

yeah, whats wrong with that?

[10:53:37]

hugolp:

the d's sound the same

[10:53:41]

Dagmar:

My Spanish teacher was very keen on making sure we at least didn't *sound* like gabachos

[10:53:56]

hugolp:

your spanish teacher was bullshiting

[10:54:05]

Dagmar:

hugolp: No, they don't. Not between dialects, and not even between certain words

[10:54:15]

Dagmar:

hugolp: Look at teh WikiPedia page

[10:54:32]

Ruleke:

there is some threshold nearing for me...

[10:54:34]

hugolp:

maybe that is written in some book, but we dont say it diferent

[10:54:54]

Dagmar:

This is the reason I aced Spanish. I paid attention to the teacher instead of assuming I already knew it because I grew up with it like a couple of girls in the class did.

[10:55:31]

Ruleke:

I call it the craving for silence through IRC client commands

[10:55:38]

Dagmar:

Dealing with phoneme-based speech synthesis software doesn't hurt either

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hugolp:

Dagmar: ok, theory is allright

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gbee:

meh

[10:56:48]

gbee:

I'm looking a channel for users of mythtv, can someone tell me if it exists?

[10:57:00]

Merlin83b:

It exists in the depths of history.

[10:57:01]

Ruleke:

Maybe it's a bad dream gbee

[10:57:02]

hugolp:

gbee: it doesnt

[10:57:06]

Dagmar:

gbee: Maybe #hottub or #sexwithsquirrels

[10:57:33]

mIRCat:

squirrles like... acorns

[10:58:01]

hugolp:

Dagmar: so where are you from?

[10:58:03]

gbee:

no, no you are not turning this into a debate of the merits of the Acorn Computer

[10:58:04]

Akiyuki:

Does anyone know if this usb device will work w/ linux + mythtv for a infra red setup? http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?p . . . tPage=search

[10:58:52]

hugolp:

isnt that expensive?

[10:58:54]

Dagmar:

Akiyuki: Generally if you see "IrDA" the answer is going to be "no"

[10:59:14]

Dagmar:

IrDA is not typically hardware you can use to decode remote control signals with

[10:59:24]

Akiyuki:

oh

[10:59:49]

Dagmar:

Akiyuki: As you may have gathered from the responses tho, what you're going to be looking for is probably cheaper than that

[11:00:10]

Akiyuki:

I was looking for one I could pickup locally. I thought maybe that was it.

[11:00:35]

Dagmar:

Akiyuki: You can probably buy the components to *make* a serial reciever there locally

[11:00:48]

Akiyuki:

I don't know how to follow schematics :(

[11:01:19]

hugolp:

or for just a little more you could just buy a tv turner with ir included

[11:01:24]

Dagmar:

Akiyuki: Okay, so then go to wiki.mythtv.org and look in the LIRC section as well as the "Homebrew reciever" section adn you can find one to mail order for less than that $40

[11:01:43]

Ruleke:

a pvr150 with IR and remote isn't much more ;)

[11:01:50]

Dagmar:

That's true

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Akiyuki:

Is it possible to build it without soldering until I can verify it works?

[11:05:17]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but it'll be ugly and questionable in the reliability factor

[11:05:32]

gardengnome:

it might be even more work than just soldering

[11:05:38]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

[11:05:44]

Dagmar:

Soldering is less trouble than twisting wire

[11:05:55]

Akiyuki:

well, incase i don't have the wires matched up correctly

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gardengnome:

you can de-solder stuff :)

[11:06:38]

Dagmar:

Akiyuki: Seriously tho man... If you were willing to shell out $40, show some respect for your own time and just mail order one

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Akiyuki:

nah, i want it today or tomorrow

[11:06:57]

Dagmar:

It sounds like you're going to wind up blowing 8–10 hours working on that part

[11:07:25]

Merlin83b:

To have a capture card in it, does a box need to be a backend?

[11:07:57]

Aquahallic:

Mornin' folks

[11:08:13]

hugolp:

Merlin83b: a front end can have a capture card though it wont use it

[11:08:33]

Merlin83b:

And a backend can't use the card unless the frontend's also acting as a slave backend?

[11:08:39]

Ruleke:

Merlin83b: my frontend is also secondary backend... not much trouble

[11:08:49]

Ruleke:

Merlin83b: yeah

[11:08:53]

Merlin83b:

Ruleke: Just trying to work out how it works :)

[11:08:56]

hugolp:

Merlin83b: thats it

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Merlin83b:

Cool

[11:09:00]

Ruleke:

it's just connecting remotely to the master backend

[11:09:18]

Ruleke:

so just run the backend on the frontend too for an extra tuner ;)

[11:09:50]

Aquahallic:

I don't have my capture card yet... will be getting it tomorrow. Can I setup my backend and have it serving out my current media and just not have any capture feature on it yet?

[11:09:54]

Merlin83b:

Minimyth doesn't do backend though, and I don't really need another tuner. Just that another Nova-T isn't a lot and that way I'd get another controller without having to build a receiver.

[11:12:19]

Aquahallic:

can that even be done?

[11:12:55]

Ruleke:

you need to have some channels defined for the backend to start up iirc

[11:12:58]

Merlin83b:

Aquahallic: Go for it, should work fine.

[11:13:03]

Merlin83b:

Oh or not.

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Ruleke:

but you can just make those things dummy ones I think

[11:13:14]

Merlin83b:

Try it though, what have you got to lose? :)

[11:13:29]

Aquahallic:

yup yup.. this is true..;)

[11:17:22]

Aquahallic:

maybe I'll just wait until tomorrow anyways....;)

[11:18:01]

Aquahallic:

any comments on which I should get out of the Hauppauge Wintv Go, PVR-150, or PVR-250??

[11:18:14]

Merlin83b:

Not the 250

[11:18:22]

Merlin83b:

Don't know what the go is.

[11:18:28]

Merlin83b:

150 is used by a lot of people.

[11:18:34]

Aquahallic:

why not the 250?

[11:18:41]

Aquahallic:

any particular reason?

[11:18:43]

Ruleke:

it's older

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Merlin83b:

Oldness.

[11:18:51]

Ruleke:

costs more too :)

[11:19:07]

Aquahallic:

does the 150 have the encoder on-board?

[11:19:12]

Ruleke:

image quality is theoretically lower too

[11:19:21]

Merlin83b:

It does.

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Aquahallic:

kewl

[11:19:33]

Ruleke:

yes 150 does what the 250 does, just the new model realyl

[11:19:55]

Ruleke:

or you could get the 500 and have two 150s on one pci board :)

[11:20:17]

Aquahallic:

hmmm

[11:20:21]

hugolp:

yep

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Ruleke:

no IR with that one though

[11:20:40]

Aquahallic:

no biggie... I'mma use LIRC and build the little reciever and blaster

[11:20:53]

hugolp:

are you talking about the wintv-nova-t-500. I have it and it has a ir remote

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Ruleke:

and for the 150 you need the non-mce version to have IRblaster

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hugolp:

and reciever

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Ruleke:

pvr500

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Ruleke:

we're talking analog :)

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hugolp:

ok

[11:22:37]

Akiyuki:

http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/mids/components-color.png

[11:22:41]

Akiyuki:

That looks a lot easier

[11:23:20]

Akiyuki:

than this http://www.armory.com/~spcecdt/remote/ir232_schem.gif

[11:24:42]

Merlin83b:

Yes, but that second one isn't a receiver.

[11:24:47]

Merlin83b:

It's a sender, aka irblaster.

[11:25:48]

Akiyuki:

The first one doesn't look that bad... I might try to replicate it

[11:29:45]

hugolp:

Akiyuki: Merlin83b gave you the key

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Aquahallic:

hmmm... looks like my distributer has 3 different PVR-150's in stock

[11:30:47]

Ruleke:

there are 2

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Akiyuki:

What key was that?

[11:31:13]

Ruleke:

actually maybe there existed a low profile one

[11:32:23]

Ruleke:

yep low profile

[11:32:46]

juski:

oh is this #mythtv-users again?

[11:32:52]

Aquahallic:

is the first one a good choice???

[11:33:03]

Aquahallic:

then I could also serve out radio stations on it???

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Ruleke:

one of them should be non-MCE, I think the one without the radio, I forget

[11:33:14]

juski:

Aquahallic: mythtv can't use the fm tuner

[11:33:24]

Aquahallic:

ahh.... ok

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Ruleke:

well if you have no need for the IR, IRblaster and remote, pick the one with more features :)

[11:33:36]

juski:

and besides you can't use the fm tuner at the same time as the tv tuner, so er... :-P

[11:33:43]

Ruleke:

otherwise I'm not sure which one has IR

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juski:

Ruleke: betcha the cheapest one doesn't come with IR remote :-P

[11:34:25]

Ruleke:

he didn't paste prices so irunno

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Ruleke:

:)

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Aquahallic:

none of those come with remotes... they're all MCE

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juski:

bullshit

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Aquahallic:

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Ruleke:

there are only 3 afaik

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Aquahallic:

that one comes with remote

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Ruleke:

yeah without mce

[11:35:15]

Ruleke:

one of them is erroneous

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juski:

there's an mce 'kit' which comes with an mce remote

[11:35:29]

Ruleke:

I forget if it was MCE with the radio or non-MCE

[11:35:46]

juski:

anyway. this is about as tedious as it was earlier

[11:35:58]

Ruleke:

true :)

[11:36:03]

Ruleke:

do a little dance, juski

[11:36:04]

juski:

read the channel faq

[11:36:21]

Aquahallic:

well the remote doesn't really matter to me anyways... I have a remote here I like using and has all my other components on it... I was going to build the ir reciever anyways

[11:36:32]

Ruleke:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware

[11:37:02]

Ruleke:

that page has some links to click

[11:37:37]

Aquahallic:

yeah I read the wiki... I was just curious for some user's input..;)

[11:37:51]

juski:

Aquahallic: in that case you'd be as well going with the cheapest one

[11:38:00]

juski:

that's pretty much a no brainer

[11:38:23]

Aquahallic:

that's what I figured... just really wasn't sure whether to go with the 150 or 250

[11:38:35]

Aquahallic:

lookin' like the 150 is the card of choice

[11:38:42]

Ruleke:

yes

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Dagmar:

The 250 is more or less obsoleted

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Aquahallic:

another question... since the encoder is on-board there must be a processor on there... any heat issues cause I don't see any heat-sinks or fans on that card?

[11:39:58]

UPNP2:

Is there any way to do a refresh in MythMusic so songs and playlists that have been added directly with sql code will show?

[11:40:03]

Dagmar:

Aquahallic: nope

[11:40:21]

Aquahallic:

ty

[11:40:32]

juski:

UPNP2: nope

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Aquahallic:

well... guess I'll pickup a 150 tomorrow and get crackin' on a gentoo based mythtv

[11:41:09]

Aquahallic:

I think I'mma setup another LUN on my ISCSI for my storage...;)

[11:41:27]

juski:

I think I'll see a man about buying a gun & going on a killing spree tonight

[11:41:43]

UPNP2:

juski: so bacicly i need to restart myth-frontend each time i make a playlig with sql

[11:42:00]

** Aquahallic is from Florida... already have the gun...;) **

[11:42:02]

juski:

UPNP2: just back out of mythmusic & go back in, not restart mythfrontend

[11:42:07]

mIRCat:

juski: if you have much luck let me know. I might want to pick up a few

[11:42:17]

UPNP2:

juski: interesting

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Dagmar:

ONOES TERRURIZTS

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mIRCat:

I'm from florida how come I don't have a gun?

[11:42:55]

Aquahallic:

guess you haven't been to the corner store lately....lol

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gardengnome:

mIRCat: lost it?

[11:43:23]

mIRCat:

Last I saw it was under my pillow

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Aquahallic:

:O

[11:43:41]

Aquahallic:

don't turn your back on the wife then

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mIRCat:

Never

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Aquahallic:

anyone used the GeForce MX440SE card for thier output?

[11:45:28]

Aquahallic:

128 meg DDR onboard

[11:46:12]

Aquahallic:

I have one sitting here doing nuttin'... I think I'mma try it... just curious if anyone's had any experience with this card

[11:46:38]

juski:

might be shitty quality on its tvout if it has one

[11:46:51]

Aquahallic:

has an svideo out

[11:47:01]

Aquahallic:

what's a good recommended card?

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juski:

nothing by ATI

[11:48:22]

Aquahallic:

this is a NVIDIA GeForce

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Ruleke:

hmm I wonder if recent motherboards will do vga on their PCI slots ...

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gardengnome:

Aquahallic: if it's an geforce 4 MX, it might be OK. the tv-out of mine is acceptable

[11:49:12]

Aquahallic:

yeah... it's a GeForce MX4400

[11:49:12]

Akiyuki:

is 30watt soldering iron good for soldering electronics?

[11:49:17]

Aquahallic:

yup

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juski:

Aquahallic: in the right hands, yes

[11:49:35]

Aquahallic:

just don't use alot of dwell time.. you'll burn pads up

[11:50:13]

Akiyuki:

Ah ok

[11:50:20]

Aquahallic:

15w is better for someone that hasn't soldered before though

[11:50:27]

Akiyuki:

The only soldering I am use to doing is soldering copper/brass plumbing

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juski:

pick it up the right way.. the hot end it the pointy bit at the front!

[11:50:37]

Aquahallic:

oh then no

[11:50:46]

Aquahallic:

you need a torch to sweat pipe in

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Dagmar:

You definitely do NOT want to use those plumbing tools on semiconductors then

[11:50:55]

Akiyuki:

Aquahallic, I know... lol

[11:50:59]

Ruleke:

hehe

[11:51:00]

Aquahallic:

different solder too

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Akiyuki:

I was just saying I know the basics of it

[11:51:10]

Akiyuki:

Heat both joints..etc

[11:51:13]

** juski nukes the channel **

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Dagmar:

You'll melt most semiconductors to slag in a half second using a welding gun

[11:51:23]

gardengnome:

Aquahallic: the geofrce 4 mx isn't supported anymore by nvidia's latest drivers, FYI

[11:51:24]

Akiyuki:

This is just going to be my first electrical soldering

[11:51:25]

Aquahallic:

rosin core for electronics.. .and acid core for plumbing

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juski:

there's OT, and there's OT. for fucks sakes

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Dagmar:

Akiyuki: A 30W iron is useful for things like medium to large electronics, car wiring, etc.

[11:52:23]

Dagmar:

Akiyuki: For small electronics, you want a 15W pencil.

[11:53:27]

Dagmar:

You'll find it rather tricky to use a big 30W pencil on a lot of really small components (and I don't mean surface-mount components)

[11:53:52]

Dagmar:

Like, just soldering wires to the connections on the back of a 9-pin DIN plug is a right bitch with a 30W iron

[11:54:17]

Akiyuki:

oh yeah?

[11:54:20]

Akiyuki:

ill find a 15wat then

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Dagmar:

They're cheap

[11:54:40]

Dagmar:

Yer local radio shack is almost always going to have 1–2 kits in stock for under $20

[11:54:57]

Dagmar:

Pencil, stand, heat sink, some solder, etc

[11:55:17]

Akiyuki:

the 30way one was like 8$ for solder,stand, ..etc

[11:55:22]

Dagmar:

Same cleaning procedures apply to those as with a large one

[11:55:28]

Dagmar:

Damp sponge, tinning, etc

[11:55:50]

Akiyuki:

Do I use flux?

[11:55:54]

Dagmar:

Nope.

[11:55:54]

juski:

nope

[11:56:06]

Dagmar:

The stuff you'll be using will have flux in the center of the solder

[11:56:11]

juski:

modern electronics solder has flux built in

[11:56:15]

Akiyuki:

Do you heat the back, and let the solder flow to the back? like sweating?

[11:56:23]

Dagmar:

Nope.

[11:56:34]

Dagmar:

With small electronics, the axiom flips around... "heat the solder, not the work"

[11:56:48]

juski:

put the solder in between the bit & the joint

[11:56:59]

juski:

heat the solder, let it melt into the joint

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Dagmar:

Most semiconductor pieces are pre-tinned, so you hardly need flux at all

[11:57:21]

juski:

there are probably guides on the intertubes

[11:57:25]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Akiyuki:

kk

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Dagmar:

Other than the smallness, you will find it a LOT easier than working with large electronics and plumbing stuff

[11:58:08]

Aquahallic:

if you're doing re-work you can use flux.. just make SURE it's rosin flux and not acid (acid is plumbing)

[11:58:24]

Dagmar:

You still don't need flux

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Aquahallic:

water based flux is nice for cleanup too

[11:58:37]

Dagmar:

The solder will have all the flux you need in the center like some sort of cyborg toblerone

[11:58:42]

Aquahallic:

otherwise you gotta use alcohol to clean it

[11:58:43]

hugolp:

Akiyuki: do like dagmar said if you heat the work too much you could damage the piece you are soldering

[11:58:52]

hugolp:

especially microchips

[11:58:57]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[11:59:09]

Akiyuki:

yeah

[11:59:11]

Dagmar:

You can completely bone most diodes and transistors by roasting them just once with a 30W iron

[11:59:12]

juski:

I'm not normally a stickler for this but for fucks sakes can we get this channel back on topic?

[11:59:15]

a5benwillis:

I'll add to this: Do yourself a favor and get a 40watt Iron... Much less chance of burningup a compnent because it toook to long to melt the solder.

[11:59:26]

Dagmar:

40W? Nooo.... 15W

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Dagmar:

Solder melts fast enough

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Dagmar:

Mind you the solder they sell for small electronics has 40/60 instead of 60/40 and it's much smaller diameter

[12:00:06]

a5benwillis:

noobs tend to leave any iron on to long so what I;ve found is a 30–40 watt melts instantly and theyget it off faster.

[12:00:07]

Dagmar:

Once the pencil is hot, it'll melt quite quickly.

[12:00:08]

Akiyuki:

is that lead based?

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Aquahallic:

I use a 800 deg. iron but I used to work in a board house assembling PCB's

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Dagmar:

...and _you are not supposed to heat the work_

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Akiyuki:

heat the joints?

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Dagmar:

Akiyuki: It's lead and tin

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Dagmar:

You just heat the solder

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Akiyuki:

yeah, the stuff we used in plumbing was 95/5

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Dagmar:

You literally pick yer joint, push the solder wire end against it, and then touch the pencil to the solder and it will melt and run into the joint.

[12:01:23]

Dagmar:

Very quick.

[12:02:29]

hugolp:

thats the theory

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hugolp:

Akiyuki: now go for the practice

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gardengnome:

get those fingers burnt :)

[12:04:07]

Dagmar:

It really is quite easy compared to what you're probably used to

[12:04:44]

Akiyuki:

im gonna have to take apart some spare electronics and practice on that :P

[12:05:36]

tzanger:

you guys are crazy

[12:05:43]

Dagmar:

how so?

[12:05:50]

tzanger:

I use a weller TCPsomething (700o) iron at hoem

[12:05:56]

tzanger:

and metcal supernice ones at work

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tzanger:

the tiny irons actually cause MORE component damage

[12:06:14]

tzanger:

taking too damn long to heat up the pad

[12:06:20]

tzanger:

you use a good hot iron, get in, solder it, get out

[12:06:20]

ivor:

so.... mythtv.....

[12:06:23]

tzanger:

heh

[12:06:32]

tzanger:

this is related to mythtv

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Dagmar:

tzanger: No need to heat the pad because everything he'll be working with will already have been tinned

[12:06:41]

tzanger:

motherboard modding :-)

[12:07:10]

tzanger:

Dagmar: you still need to get uniform heating, even with tinning... tinning just helps the process

[12:07:21]

Dagmar:

*Small* electronic components are what we're talking about, mind you

[12:07:40]

tzanger:

Dagmar: as am I... 0402 SMT components, TQFP (0.5mm pitch) leads, etc.

[12:07:51]

Dagmar:

I *know* you're not using a pencil with SMT stuff

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tzanger:

I *am*

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gardengnome:

**

[12:08:11]

tzanger:

not the weller, as it's not quite fine pitch enough, nor hot enough

[12:08:20]

Dagmar:

You're telling me you use a soldering pencil on a component approximately 1mm by 2mm

[12:08:38]

tzanger:

I soldered 208 pin TQFP parts with a very similar weller iron though

[12:08:39]

tzanger:

yes I am

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hugolp:

ivor by popular demand this is not anymore mythtv chanel

[12:09:15]

tzanger:

in fact I'm sitting beside two prototype boards that use BGAs (obviously I did not solder those parts) and a dozen of the earlier prototypes which have a SODIMM connector that I hand-soldered

[12:09:27]

tzanger:

I don't use your huge soldering iron of course

[12:09:36]

tzanger:

but probably a 1.2mm conical tip

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XGizzmo:

and lots of flux

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tzanger:

I have a 0.5mm tip for the metcal but it's actually TOO small

[12:09:54]

tzanger:

XGizzmo: yes, *lots* of flux

[12:10:04]

tzanger:

then throw the boards in the dishwasher afterward to wash them down

[12:10:23]

tzanger:

http://www.mixdown.ca/~andrew/dump/35prototypes.jpg

[12:10:28]

tzanger:

those were 100% hand soldered

[12:11:02]

gardengnome:

what does it do? network attached RAM?

[12:11:06]

Dagmar:

You've got damn steady hands to manage those dinky little diodes and resistors

[12:11:14]

tzanger:

those aren't small

[12:11:17]

tzanger:

those are 1206

[12:11:29]

tzanger:

the 0805 and 0402 are UNBELIEVABLY much more difficult

[12:11:30]

tzanger:

I had no idea

[12:11:33]

tzanger:

1206 is trivial

[12:11:36]

Dagmar:

heh

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tzanger:

tweezers and they're heavy enough that they tend to stay still

[12:11:46]

tzanger:

but 0402 is about my limit

[12:11:52]

tzanger:

even placing them on solder paste is difficult

[12:11:57]

Dagmar:

I've sneezed and lost components many times.

[12:12:04]

tzanger:

yep

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tzanger:

http://www.mixdown.ca/~andrew/dump/bipmrev4-clamp3.jpg

[12:12:20]

Dagmar:

"Well, I'm not going to find those damn things in this carpet...":

[12:12:39]

tzanger:

I'm actually clamping hte BGA microprocessor because I dropped the board and cracked a solder ball

[12:13:00]

tzanger:

used a hot-air gun (the kind you strip paint with) and a contactless temperature sensor to reflow them to fix it :-)

[12:13:55]

tzanger:

http://www.mixdown.ca/~andrew/dump/dn3.jpg

[12:13:59]

tzanger:

erly early rev of the board

[12:14:26]

tzanger:

the uCdimm has TQFP flash on it (I've soldered that pitch device by hand many times) — obviously not that particular one though

[12:14:40]

tzanger:

gardengnome: it's an industrial communications card

[12:15:45]

tzanger:

ethernet, CAN, RS485 and BT for ModBus/TCP, Ethernet/IP, ProfiNet, DeviceNet, CanOpen and ModBus, and there's expansion on there for a high speed RS485 link for ProfiBus

[12:16:05]

tzanger:

Bluetooth is just on htere because I want to experiment with BT in industrial environments

[12:16:17]

gardengnome:

nice

[12:16:20]

Dagmar:

I <3 bluetooth

[12:16:23]

Dagmar:

It's so abuseable

[12:16:27]

tzanger:

I am loving it too

[12:16:37]

tzanger:

I was -->||<-- this close to getting a raw CSR chip on th eboard

[12:16:59]

Dagmar:

Go to any coffee house with wifi and browse for bluetooth devices and you will immediately know the real names of 90% of the MAc users within 30 yards

[12:17:02]

tzanger:

but the BGA ball spacing was 0.5mm, which was getting dangrously close to having to use laser drilling to get microvias to break out the signals

[12:17:12]

tzanger:

Dagmar: yep :-) I do that on airplanes

[12:17:28]

opello:

the 10%ers have bt disabled?

[12:17:38]

Dagmar:

So far I'm 18/25 for getting them to allow connections from my PDA using the name "System Update"

[12:17:44]

opello:

(or no 'gecos' name, i suppose)

[12:17:54]

tzanger:

ouch

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tzanger:

Dagmar: never tried that, that's nasty :-)

[12:18:21]

Dagmar:

No, it's really funny because I have something to pump audio out their speakers after they allow the connection

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Dagmar:

*)

[12:19:18]

tzanger:

hahahahahhaha

[12:19:24]

tzanger:

I can only imagine

[12:19:59]

Dagmar:

My favorite is when I'm clearly dealing with a vegetarian

[12:20:20]

Dagmar:

http://www.bigdwarfrodeo.com/lyr/smoke_em/eat_steak.htm

[12:21:19]

Dagmar:

More specifically, http://www.last.fm/music/Reverend+Horton+Heat/_/Eat+Steak

[12:23:50]

Dagmar:

...and of course I have "The Internet is Great (for Porn)" on tap for everyone else.

[12:26:03]

fryfrog:

mmm, that was a funny wow video also

[12:27:13]

tzanger:

heh

[12:30:44]

gardengnome:

fryfrog: it's a musical actually

[12:30:59]

gardengnome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenue_Q

[12:32:26]

Dagmar:

Yep. The actual song was written when most people weren't aware you could get porn on the internet

[12:33:14]

gardengnome:

i got the official "the internet is for porn" t-shirt. lots of people gave me funny looks when i wore it for school

[12:33:28]

directhex|work:

it's quite a good show

[12:33:30]

Dagmar:

hahah

[12:34:35]

Akiyuki:

Hmm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFZ0xanA_Gs&am . . . &search=

[12:34:38]

fryfrog:

yar, taht i do know :)

[12:34:45]

fryfrog:

really?

[12:34:45]

Akiyuki:

This doesn't look to be a correct method

[12:35:00]

fryfrog:

i didn't realize it was that old

[12:35:23]

fryfrog:

what?? 2003?

[12:35:30]

fryfrog:

everyone knew the internet was for porn in 2003 :p

[12:35:40]

fryfrog:

maybe not in like... 1994 or something

[12:35:45]

Dagmar:

I could swear I'd heard it pre-y2k

[12:35:54]

tzanger:

people didn't know the internet was for porn??

[12:35:59]

Ruleke:

alt.binaries anyone ? ;)

[12:36:00]

fryfrog:

humm, it says it is based on a book?

[12:36:01]

tzanger:

I remember ascii art porn for cryin' out loud

[12:36:06]

fryfrog:

so maybe that came a long time ago

[12:36:09]

Dagmar:

Akiyuki: Him tinning the wire is as correct as it needs to be so far

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directhex|work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avenue_Q

[12:36:33]

Akiyuki:

but he put the solder down, then took the wire and melted it in

[12:36:35]

Akiyuki:

that doesnt seem right?

[12:36:56]

Dagmar:

Akiyuki: Once you do it it'll be immediately obvious as to why

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Dagmar:

Akiyuki: When you're tinning stranded wire, the inital dose of solder tends to hang about on the outside, but when you reheat it it "soaks in" and you get nice pristine even coverage

[12:37:52]

Akiyuki:

Oh ok

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Dagmar:

See how quickly tho the wire and the contact pad fuse once both have been tinned?

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Dagmar:

It's not a whole lot different with a 15W pencil. The one he has looked like a 30W

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Akiyuki:

yeah

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hugolp:

the soldering lessons still going on?

[12:39:48]

Dagmar:

Not really

[12:40:01]

hugolp:

Akiyuki: you should consider a donation to dagmar account

[12:40:16]

Dagmar:

Nope

[12:40:30]

Dagmar:

Me no likey taxman

[12:41:15]

Akiyuki:

I might have to

[12:41:32]

Dagmar:

All you gotta do is pass useful information on to others and I'm happy

[12:42:02]

Dagmar:

The number of people _with_ clue must necessary increase at an equal or greater rate than the clueless or we are all fucked.

[12:42:44]

gardengnome:

heh

[12:42:54]

gardengnome:

we *are* fucked then

[12:43:10]

Dagmar:

Shhhh... you're screwing with my denial

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a5benwillis:

Hey, Im getting close to havinga clue...

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DGnome:

Hi! Can I archive an imported .ISO (from DVD) to DVD with MythArchive?

[13:04:20]

gardengnome:

just try it?

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Merlin83b:

The gnomes converse...

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hugolp:

why try it when you can ask in the chat?

[13:05:14]

hugolp:

isnt that a lot more fun?

[13:05:29]

DGnome:

gardengnome: cannot select the .iso in question :/

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DGnome:

gardengnome: optical discs > archive > find files > select video files > no .iso there

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fryfrog:

why not just burn the .iso?

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DGnome:

with the frontend, yes please

[13:12:22]

Dagmar:

NOT FAIR!

[13:12:29]

Dagmar:

http://www.cyberman-helmet.co.uk/ <-- not sold in the US! @#$E@

[13:14:21]

DGnome:

so, is it possible to clone dvd:s with mythtv?

[13:15:40]

Dagmar:

No comment.

[13:16:35]

opello:

you just have to watch out for anomalies in the mitochondrial dna

[13:17:21]

Dagmar:

Oooh! Found a domestic vendor of those helmets

[13:17:23]

Dagmar:

SWEET

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tzanger:

hahah

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DGnome:

i take it is possible then because you seem to make remarks about me being stupid :)

[13:18:13]

DGnome:

or then again, I just might be awfully stupid and blind

[13:19:05]

DGnome:

so, who's excited about utilizing full multiplexes on dvb?

[13:19:41]

GreyFoxx:

DGnome: I for one am :)

[13:19:51]

GreyFoxx:

Everytime I see a commit about it I get more excited :)

[13:20:21]

Dagmar:

When was the last time you saw anyone on Freenode just hand out information on breaking the law?

[13:20:25]

Merlin83b:

Full multiplexes? What are we missing atm?

[13:20:41]

GreyFoxx:

Merlin83b: multichannel reecording per multiplex

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AndrewGearhart:

g'morning folks

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Merlin83b:

Oh, with just one tuner?

[13:20:52]

GreyFoxx:

yup

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Merlin83b:

Sweet.

[13:21:03]

GreyFoxx:

]It's all one stream, we/thehardware just filters out what we don't want

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DGnome:

Dagmar: what, breaking what law? I made this DVD myself with my camcorder.

[13:21:07]

Merlin83b:

That'll proably make be break my box. Erm, upgrade, I mean.

[13:21:11]

Dagmar:

Bi-directional time-shifting of LiveTV

[13:21:19]

GreyFoxx:

eventually we will be able to recording multiple channels at once

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DGnome:

thanks to my employer for organizing funding for it

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hugolp:

GreyFoxx: we cant now?

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Dagmar:

I want to be able to record shows in the future to watch now.

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GreyFoxx:

hugolp: Nope, not more than one channel per card at a time

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AndrewGearhart:

GreyFoxx: I'd actually considered the idea of getting multiple cable boxes to be able to do just that... hence my question last night about the multiple "control/view" boxes to run from the main "I have all your shows and record them too!" box

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Dagmar:

oneforall: Those usually calculate peak load.

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hugolp:

GreyFoxx: I have one card and I can record two channels at the same time. And with that improvement you cant record two channels at the same time unless they are in the same multiplex.

[13:24:34]

hugolp:

Where I live there are like 5 or 6 multiplex actives at the moment

[13:24:56]

hugolp:

so thinking if the channel is in the same multiplex or not seems more like a pain in the ass than an imporvement

[13:24:56]

** AndrewGearhart googles multiplex **

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hugolp:

for a 100 euros I can buy a dual turner pci card and forget about the problem

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GreyFoxx:

hugolp: The only way you can do it now is if it's a dual t uner card

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GreyFoxx:

and this change will not affect that

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DGnome:

hugolp: umm, dont think you got it right now

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hugolp:

DGnome: explain then

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DGnome:

we have many muxes with many channels in them them

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hugolp:

yes

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DGnome:

when mythtv can utilize the full mux, i can use one tuner to record all channels in one mux

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DGnome:

== cheaper box

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hugolp:

where I live there are 3, 4 or 5 channels in every multiplex and there is like 5 or 6 multiplex

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DGnome:

no need for 6 tuners

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DGnome:

maybe only 2

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gardengnome:

there's always re-runs

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sid3windr:

hugolp: so, with your dual tuner card you can then record up to 10 channels

[13:27:54]

gardengnome:

DGnome: what does your employer think about the participation level in the donation run?

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hugolp:

sid3windr: yep, but they have to be in the same multiplex. If I want to record 3 chanels that are in different multiplex I cant

[13:28:17]

DGnome:

gardengnome: better than NULL

[13:28:29]

hugolp:

I rather buy another turner card that having to be aware of the multiplex a chanel is in

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Merlin83b:

Blimey, people are getting worked up today. It's a good thing and will sometimes help when shows happen to be in the same mux.

[13:30:31]

hugolp:

DGnome: we both get it.

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hugolp:

I just dont find it that amazing

[13:31:00]

hugolp:

but good for you if you like it

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DGnome:

two tuners can give me all ten channels i am interrested in on terrestrial for example.

[13:32:23]

hugolp:

thats good then, I might be too lazy to be bother to remember the multiplex a channel is in

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DGnome:

cable, two or three tuners needed for the 20 that intrest me..

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GreyFoxx:

hugolp: You miss the point

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GreyFoxx:

It's not about you knowing

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GreyFoxx:

It's like this

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GreyFoxx:

If you want to record 3 shows that are all on at the same time, and you can currently only record 2 (onyl 2 tuners) ..... BUT the 3rd is on the same mplex thenyou will be able to record all 3

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GreyFoxx:

If it's on a different mplex then you are not worse off than you are now

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hugolp:

no, its about me knowing that if my wife is watching a program and I am watching another one, and I want to record a third one with a dual turner card, I dont want to be bother to think if Ill be able to do it or not.

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GreyFoxx:

You don;t have to think about it, you don't need to know

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hugolp:

GreyFoxx: the fact is that maybe I wont be able to do it

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GreyFoxx:

It's a "this will benefit you if the circumstances are right, otherwise you keep trucking as you do now)

[13:35:21]

hugolp:

anyway, if you are happy with it thats good

[13:35:26]

hugolp:

its an improvement

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DGnome:

it huge

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hugolp:

opinion

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DGnome:

it will make it possible for me to switch from VDR to MythTV at home

[13:36:06]

hugolp:

well, then when is it going to be ready?

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DGnome:

project is on it's way

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hugolp:

its allredy being code?

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DGnome:

developers have received payment

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GreyFoxx:

My cable co has 9 channels per multiplex, aqnd the way they are groupped most of the channels I watche are all grouped in 2 of them. Now I can record them all with 2 cards

[13:36:50]

DGnome:

a starter

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GreyFoxx:

hugolp: Yes, there is a seperate SVN branch for it and code ius being commited

[13:37:16]

hugolp:

good for you then

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DGnome:

good for everyone

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hugolp:

anyone here is a open source developer?

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GreyFoxx:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/mythtv-multirec

[13:37:41]

GreyFoxx:

Yes

[13:37:43]

Dagmar:

Oh hell no

[13:37:48]

Dagmar:

What do you think we are? Communists

[13:37:50]

DGnome:

OPEN SOURCE?!

[13:37:50]

Dagmar:

?

[13:37:53]

DGnome:

get outta here

[13:38:02]

hugolp:

I have been programing in windows since I was fourteen and now I am going to start an open source project

[13:38:07]

hugolp:

for linux

[13:38:27]

hugolp:

I want to released under the GPL licence

[13:39:04]

moh:

why decide on the license before you even have a project? :-)

[13:39:28]

moh:

you *can* create open source projects for windows too.

[13:39:28]

GreyFoxx:

Other than mythstuff, everything else I do is BSD licensed

[13:39:28]

hugolp:

how can I be sure no private company gets the code, uses it for a close code project?

[13:39:42]

hugolp:

moh: I know. This is for linux.

[13:39:50]

fryfrog:

hugolp: you can't

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GreyFoxx:

hehe everytime I see "moh" I think "MusicOnHold" heh

[13:40:02]

fryfrog:

hugolp: you just have to depend on the power of the internets

[13:40:02]

hugolp:

fryfrog: ok. How nice.

[13:40:26]

fryfrog:

hugolp: usually, if it is obvious enough someone will notice it, then dig into it and discover it

[13:40:47]

DGnome:

aint freedom nice

[13:41:07]

hugolp:

fryfrog: but if the code is closed, they just say they did it in another way and there is no way it can be proved

[13:42:09]

DGnome:

just go with GPL, it's watertight enough

[13:42:18]

fryfrog:

not quite true

[13:42:30]

fryfrog:

you can always disassemble and compare it

[13:42:31]

moh:

GreyFoxx: my normal nick is mort, but apparently I didn't use freenode for a very long time

[13:42:36]

moh:

so I lost it...

[13:42:42]

fryfrog:

there have been a few "closed source" projects that were busted that way

[13:42:53]

hugolp:

fryfrog: thats good to know

[13:43:01]

fryfrog:

when you find decompiled comments or things like that, it proves it pretty handily

[13:43:13]

moh:

yeah I know of a few projects using busybox or u-boot that have been busted.

[13:43:31]

fryfrog:

but really, you'd have to make a really great project and probably be a bit popular to inspire theft

[13:43:35]

hugolp:

I am sure a lot of them get away with it but I am glad there is a way to discover it if the thing is important enough (not that mine is)

[13:45:13]

DGnome:

hugolp: you really do, imho, sound like someone very used to windows, just lean back and enjoy the ride :)

[13:45:52]

hugolp:

DGnome: I am sure I do. I have been only been using linux for 4 months now

[13:46:03]

hugolp:

I am still getting use to console commands...

[13:46:14]

DGnome:

way to go

[13:46:16]

DGnome:

:)

[13:48:58]

Dagmar:

console uber alles

[13:49:54]

DGnome:

well, one thing I've learnt to do is to question stupid limitations like not being able to use all streams residing in a multiplex, concurrently.

[13:50:27]

hugolp:

XD

[13:50:32]

DGnome:

wanna bet if that feature will ever hit the windows market?

[13:50:33]

hugolp:

not again

[13:51:08]

hugolp:

no, it wont, cause the tv programs are done by the card sellers, so it probably wont

[13:51:17]

hugolp:

but that wasnt my point

[13:51:36]

hugolp:

I am not saying its bad, its actually a good thing, its just its not that usefull for me

[13:51:38]

hugolp:

thats all

[13:51:57]

DGnome:

still a limitation

[13:52:04]

GreyFoxx:

until one day you realize you recorded 4 items off 2 tuners at the same time ;)

[13:52:17]

DGnome:

word.

[13:53:10]

DGnome:

i've survived 2 muxes with 5 channels each, with only one tuner

[13:53:23]

DGnome:

thanks to VDR

[13:53:43]

DGnome:

but thenagain, lost all that mythtv brings to a HTPC

[13:55:19]

DGnome:

Will anyone tell my how to clone my legal, home-made, dvd-video-disc with MythTV?

[13:55:40]

DGnome:

all my attempts seem to end in some sort of error.

[13:56:12]

hound:

DGnome, never seen a clone option, I think you'd have to import it, then export it. If you only have one cdrom that's the method yo'd use anyways.

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TSCHAKWerk:

morning

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DGnome:

hound: the exporting part is the problem

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hound:

DGnome, I haven't tried that myself. I noticed in my logs cdrecord always complains, I figured since debian renamed the binary I might have to go fix my settings. If burning is your only problem you should be getting some errors in your logs that might tell you what's wrong.

[14:07:00]

DGnome:

maybe running a perfect rip and then archiving instead of trying to clone, but then there will be loss of quality

[14:08:07]

DGnome:

anyway...

[14:11:12]

Ribs:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on and ended on .

[14:11:14]

Ribs:

haha

[14:11:37]

Ribs:

I guess I got a corrupt entry in there

[14:12:09]

hugolp:

ribs I want xmltv script you are using

[14:12:12]

hugolp:

XD

[14:12:25]

Ribs:

It predicts the future

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Ribs:

it automatically knows there will be shit on TV :>

[14:12:56]

Ribs:

I'm actually only using over the air EIT data

[14:13:01]

Ribs:

so it's kinda odd :>

[14:13:19]

Merlin83b:

I get that all the time, Ribs.

[14:13:19]

tzanger:

Ribs: I have that too

[14:13:27]

tzanger:

not quite that far ahead

[14:13:31]

Ribs:

ah, okay then

[14:13:34]

tzanger:

but yeah to 2011 sometime

[14:13:53]

** Ribs has tied in kopete with mythtvosd now :D **

[14:14:09]

tzanger:

Ribs: eh?

[14:14:09]

Ribs:

kinda cool... a friend comes online, and I see that message even when I'm watching something

[14:14:09]

Merlin83b:

Ribs wins.

[14:14:14]

tzanger:

tied in kopete with mythtvosd?

[14:14:30]

Ribs:

tzanger: say a friend comes online or something, and I'm watching TV with mythtv...

[14:14:41]

tzanger:

ahh okay

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Ribs:

kopete will now use mythtvosd to tell me, so I don't miss them

[14:14:48]

tzanger:

I did that with CID on asterisk a few years ago

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Ribs:

had to put some filtering in, as mythtv really hates the <qt> and <b> tags kopete insists on adding

[14:15:14]

tzanger:

:-)

[14:15:17]

Ribs:

but it works well now :>

[14:15:21]

tzanger:

awesome

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Ribs:

... now I just need some friends

[14:15:25]

Ribs:

haha

[14:15:29]

tzanger:

hahaha

[14:15:35]

tzanger:

it was a bitch testing,w as it? :-)

[14:15:45]

Ribs:

hehe

[14:16:01]

Ribs:

I have got a odd issue with mytharchive though

[14:16:07]

tzanger:

reminds me of the simpsons episode when marge buys the doorbell

[14:16:32]

Ribs:

it always fails, saying that a filesystem is already on the disc or something (which is right, as I'm using a DVD-RW with stuff on already)

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Ribs:

it gives me the command I tried... yet when I copy and paste that command into bash, it works fine!

[14:16:52]

hound:

does anyone know how to echo a msg to the kernel log? trying to make a marker in my logs

[14:17:01]

tzanger:

hound: man logger

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hound:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

logger is your friend, expecially in shell scripts and such

[14:20:38]

Ribs:

can I add him to kopete?

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** Ribs shuts up now **

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GreyFoxx:

I have no idea what kopete is, and am too lazy to google, but sure, logger would like to be ther etoo ;)

[14:24:12]

Ribs:

GreyFoxx: KDE's messenger client for MSN, ICQ etc...

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Ribs:

was a lame joke based on the stuff I was doing eariler..

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fryfrog:

i got it

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GreyFoxx:

Ribbs: Ahhh ok

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a5benwillis:

Has anyone heard of getting a Logitech harmony remote workingwith lirc and Myth?

[14:56:10]

pat_:

a friend of mine has done it

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pat_:

so it must be possible

[14:57:01]

fryfrog:

i have the 688 and it was easy

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fryfrog:

logitech have a listing for "mythtv" and it is the PVR350 remote

[14:57:18]

fryfrog:

so most of the work is already done

[14:58:28]

tzanger:

hmm, so DVB-S cards cannot pull in HD FTA signals? I thought that the DVB-S card did absolutely nothing with the stream

[14:58:50]

fryfrog:

isn't "-S" satalite?

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fryfrog:

oh, you mean FTA sat HD

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tzanger:

fryfrog: yes

[14:59:35]

tzanger:

apparently there's some DVB-S2 standard now that does HD... but again, I thought the HD stream was just a HD MPEG2 stream, and the card had absolutely nothing to do with it

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a5benwillis:

pat_: Thanks

[15:01:16]

a5benwillis:

pat_: Any chance you could get his conf filkes? :)

[15:01:25]

pat_:

not till the weekend

[15:01:43]

pat_:

fryfrog had some more specific information though

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a5benwillis:

tzanger: some older HD on sat is MPEG2, specifically anything using qpsk encoding.

[15:02:27]

tzanger:

a5benwillis: ahh they changed the encoding, that's why it broke the DVB-S cards

[15:02:27]

a5benwillis:

tzanger: The newer modulation is called 8psk/trubo, its an mpeg4 stream.

[15:02:34]

tzanger:

understood

[15:02:42]

tzanger:

thanks ofr the clarification

[15:02:57]

a5benwillis:

tzanger: There are no pc cards that will work with this yet. But theres one USB tuner that will.

[15:03:11]

tzanger:

?

[15:03:20]

tzanger:

Twinhan has a DVB-S2 PCI card that Linux apparently supports

[15:03:21]

a5benwillis:

its called a Genpix, pretty pricy

[15:04:27]

a5benwillis:

8psk is not part of the DVB-S2 standard

[15:04:51]

a5benwillis:

8psk/turbo ... sorry

[15:05:18]

tzanger:

fun.

[15:05:32]

tzanger:

so there are very few people pulling HD in on satellite currently

[15:06:11]

a5benwillis:

Theres some FTA HD that still uses qpsk, so I imagine that theres quite a few people still using it.

[15:06:36]

a5benwillis:

Its the 'other' type of signal thats used less because of the change.

[15:09:44]

a5benwillis:

fryfrog: I just saw what you said.

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tzanger:

ahh okay

[15:10:19]

a5benwillis:

fryfrog: so you just select a pvr350 in the logitech software to program the remote?

[15:10:21]

goreguts:

anyone have a hdhomerun? i'm thinking about picking one up to grab ota HD, just wondering what its like

[15:10:33]

goreguts:

and how well it works with myth

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tzanger:

a good benchmark to see whether a satellite is providing 8psk/turbo or not is to see how many HD channels are on each transponder. 2=normal 4psk, 3=8psk

[15:10:49]

a5benwillis:

goreguts: I've heard alot of people usingit so it must.

[15:11:09]

goreguts:

i think if i cant get firewire working, i'll invest in one

[15:11:26]

fryfrog:

a5benwillis: no, more like you select "mythtv" in the logitech software, then on the *other* end you configure everything like its a PVR350 remote

[15:11:31]

a5benwillis:

ok, got to run. but I want to talk to you some more fryfrog

[15:11:50]

a5benwillis:

fryfrog: Ah, ok. Now I just need to get a logitech remote :-D

[15:11:58]

a5benwillis:

bbiab

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juski:

what's this? people talking about mythtv in the channel?!

[15:13:01]

tzanger:

oh shoot

[15:13:04]

tzanger:

guys quick back to circuit boards

[15:13:11]

tzanger:

dad's home

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juski:

won't be long & mister cold turkey will have left the building :)

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tzanger:

a5benwillis: DVB-S can handle 8psk, but 8psk/turbo is the DVB-S2? or is 8psk period outside of DVB-S standard

[15:16:15]

a5benwillis:

back

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juski:

dvb-s2 is very new to linux. Very

[15:17:19]

a5benwillis:

tzanger: I believe the problem is when the 8psk signal is encoded with mpeg4

[15:17:34]

a5benwillis:

I know that thers only one STB that can do this right now.

[15:17:52]

tzanger:

I'm trying to dig up specs to see if the cheapass twinhan cards can deal with 8psk

[15:18:03]

tzanger:

a5benwillis: but again... the stream itself isn't touched by the cheap cards is it?

[15:18:12]

a5benwillis:

http://www.genpix-electronics.com/index.php?a . . . 52bea513f28f

[15:18:13]

tzanger:

it's simply passed on to the driver to do whatever

[15:18:28]

juski:

so am I getting the right end of the stick here... some places are moving away from mpeg2 HDTV?

[15:18:47]

a5benwillis:

juski: yes, especially in NA

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juski:

whoah. you're gonna need some serious horseypower to play that stuff

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tzanger:

heh I could build that

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tzanger:

I'm just trying to figure out why the program coding makes a difference

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tzanger:

you tune to the transponder, feed the pid to the demuxer and filter out everything but the streams

[15:21:49]

juski:

well, once ffmpeg better supports extra cpus it'll all be better won't it

[15:22:58]

masonsjax:

is the multiple recording destinations feature currently in SVN fixes?

[15:23:06]

juski:

masonsjax: nope

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GreyFoxx:

masonsjax: no

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masonsjax:

doh

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GreyFoxx:

fixes is for...well fixes, not new features

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tzanger:

now to convert from the OTA encoding (FEC, symbol rate, etc.) yes the tuner and demod take care of that, but not the signal data itself

[15:23:36]

masonsjax:

yeah

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juski:

in general only bugfixes get backported to -fixes, and even then not all the time

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Yeah, most of the HD providers are moving to H264 for lower BW usage so they can cram more channels in :)

[15:24:09]

masonsjax:

so to get that feature i have to run trunk?

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GreyFoxx:

masonsjax: yes

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masonsjax:

or wait for an official new release

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a5benwillis:

Anyone have a harmony 688 for sale?? :)

[15:24:43]

GreyFoxx:

yes again, though to warn you other than a maintenance 0.20.1 there is no new realease planned

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GreyFoxx:

at in the immediate future

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masonsjax:

ok. thanks

[15:25:03]

juski:

a5benwillis: you're kidding, right? ah well to each their own ;)

[15:25:04]

masonsjax:

LVM it is

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a5benwillis:

juski: Why? Is it bad?

[15:25:38]

a5benwillis:

juski: I need to find a remoteso I can get to work on lirc

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juski:

a5benwillis: I dunno exactly what it is I have against the harmony remotes, but menu driven things have to be top of the list of reasons. blech

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a5benwillis:

juski: Havea better recomendation?

[15:26:21]

juski:

nope ;)

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a5benwillis:

I need to sell my Pronto remote if anyones interested..

[15:26:45]

juski:

I use a OneForAll 6 with a homebrew receiver

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a5benwillis:

should most any remote work withmy Twinhan reciever?

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masonsjax:

also.. I just ordered a pvr 500. will i need to rebuild my kernel for support, or does myth include support?

[15:27:17]

juski:

a5benwillis: I doubt it

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a5benwillis:

eck!

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juski:

a5benwillis: ivtv ftw. www.ivtvdriver.org

[15:27:35]

a5benwillis:

I know nothing about this area.I though IR was, well, IR

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juski:

a5benwillis: depends how the twinhan remote receiver works. some have little microcontrollers which are hard-coded

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Dagmar:

masonjax: You just want hte ivtv driver.

[15:28:24]

masonsjax:

I just got my TV remote working using my HDHR as the receiver.

[15:28:26]

Dagmar:

masonjax: You will *not* regret having bought that card

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masonsjax:

:)

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juski:

a5benwillis: if you can learn any old remote using irrecord, with the twinhan receiver, you'll be ok

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masonsjax:

so the ivtv driver can be built independent of the kernel, yes?

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juski:

masonsjax: yes. like most modules infact ;)

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hound:

with all the trouble I'm having with DMA errors, I wish I could never see ivtv again :)

[15:29:47]

masonsjax:

right. coolness.

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masonsjax:

hound: ATI mobo?

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juski:

hound: I have 3 tuners in my Via chipset-based motherboard. pvr150 & 2 dvb-t tuners. all work just fine, recording 3 shows & streaming to 2 frontends. no problem

[15:31:19]

juski:

and they say Via chipsets are the root of all errors :)

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hound:

masonsjax, nope, asus w/ geforce (a8n-vm csm)

[15:32:17]

masonsjax:

yeah, VIA, that's what I meant.

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hound:

yea I'm sure it's something to do with my configuration, just haven't been able to isolate what it is. I'm thinking it may be lvm, haven't tried reinstalling without it yet.

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masonsjax:

..meeting time..*sigh*

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kormoc:

hound, lvm wouldn't cause DMA errors, it's entirely virtual

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Dagmar:

Communism could tho

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hound:

kormoc, *sigh* okay. I'm running out of ideas then. If I recompile without SMP my problems do go away. I hate to think that's the main cause though.

[15:34:33]

tzanger:

a5benwillis: yeah that module isn't cheap. with module it's damn near $500

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Dagmar:

hound: Okay, disable preemptive multitasking for one

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tzanger:

Agrajag-: hahahaha.. douglas adams fan I see

[15:34:49]

tzanger:

(saw your name through auto-complete)

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Daviey:

juski, >:) – thought you weren't going to LRL

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Dagmar:

hound: Ivtv hasn't ever played quite right with it... could be still what's going wrong

[15:35:12]

juski:

Daviey: never say never :)

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a5benwillis:

tzanger: Theres also a USB version

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tzanger:

a5benwillis: that is the usb version

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kormoc:

hound, try booting with noapic nolapic kernel options

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a5benwillis:

oh, lol. A little to expensive forme

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Dagmar:

hound: on SMP boxes if ivtv was preempted by something on the other processor... *bang* spontaneous reboot

[15:36:16]

Dagmar:

hound: Make sure you're using the _correct_ power governor if you're using one at all

[15:36:30]

Dagmar:

dual-core AMD 64 CPUs need conservative

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tzanger:

if I could get a better look at what those chips on there are I could make my own

[15:36:41]

Dagmar:

Change the clockspeed too quickly and they get freaky

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achew22:

if you set a network recorder, do the files in there show up as a channel?

[15:36:57]

tzanger:

I *think* I see serial EEPROM, Altera CPLD and then the USB chip itself which is likely some form of microcontroller, perhaps SI

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Daviey:

juski, maybe i'll see you there :)

[15:37:51]

juski:

anyway Daviey – we've not established exactly what's gonna be taken in terms of hardware

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tzanger:

nice there's an IEEE paper on viterbi 8psk decode

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juski:

I might yet put out an appeal for hardware help.. see how it goes

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Daviey:

tzanger, do you have access to the pdf?

[15:38:46]

tzanger:

Daviey: no

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tzanger:

I have to ask our director of engineering to grab it

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Daviey:

do you want it?

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hound:

What is preemptive multitasking? I'm trying to check my config files to see if it's enabled, I have CONFIG_PREEMPT unset, and CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y. Disabled cpu governing in bios and in the kernel.

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tzanger:

not just yet; it's DSP based and I wouldn't be using that

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Daviey:

k

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tzanger:

thank you though

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Dagmar:

hound: That would be disabled then

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tzanger:

so basically that thing is a satellite demodulator for 8psk. hmm...

[15:40:31]

tzanger:

http://www.scientificatlanta.com/products/cus . . . ers/BCA-2002 Ken Hanna.pdf

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tzanger:

found that

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juski:

any providers of mythtv distro want to have a scrap over whose we put on our 'free' CDs ?

[15:41:40]

hound:

thanks, have to go.

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Dagmar:

Put Slackware packages on there

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Dagmar:

That was everyone is equally pissed off about it, except for a very small minority

[15:42:42]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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fryfrog:

no no, just put the source files!

[15:42:49]

GreyFoxx:

Put the source packages :)

[15:42:51]

fryfrog:

and tell them to use LFS :)

[15:42:53]

fryfrog:

zomg

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tzanger:

hahahhaa

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tzanger:

Dagmar: I'm a slacker

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Dagmar:

tzanger: So you know we're about as common as transgendered giraffes

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tzanger:

Dagmar: indeed

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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juski:

how ironic to call yourself a slacker, too ;)

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gbee:

juski: you forgot to mention that bribes are an acceptable form of persuasion

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GreyFoxx:

Well, there are 3 of us here and talking right now... so the moons must be aligned with the rings of saturn or something :)

[15:44:36]

juski:

gbee: hahah yeah of course

[15:44:41]

tzanger:

transgendered giraffes... are they unusually less transgendered than other animals?

[15:45:00]

juski:

send beer tokens to ...

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juski:

maybe in the interests of saving the planet we'll just have flyers & let folks download their own when they get home

[15:46:30]

juski:

yeah. saves me carrying stuff

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juski:

not to mention spending fucking hours burning cds

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gbee:

juski: that's a good idea

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fryfrog:

i'd never sacrafice fucking hours for burning cds

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fryfrog:

maybe working hours, or perhaps bored hours...

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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gbee:

heh

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gardengnome:

fucking hours tend to be a rare commodity ofr the average geek anyways

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juski:

not when you're officially in baby-making mode

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Daviey:

haha

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juski:

and actually if I'm to believe mrs Juski, NO WAY will I ever be allowed to even look at a cigarette ever again

[15:50:01]

tzanger:

juski: hahahaha

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Merlin83b:

Speaking from experience, juski?

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gardengnome:

juski: i told you so.

[15:50:33]

juski:

gardengnome: yeah yeah I know

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juski:

if I'd known that I'd have never even started ffs

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juski:

all the while you think.. bah.. what diff can it make. you can be so wrong ;)

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juski:

aanyway

[15:51:23]

** gardengnome nods **

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jrr:

in his books, vonnegut refers to smoking as "committing suicide by cigarette"

[15:52:03]

juski:

yeah as a convert or non-smoker it's easy to be wise about it

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gardengnome:

juski: i'm not being wise about it, i'm being a smart-ass about it

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juski:

:-P

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gardengnome:

there's a difference :)

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jrr:

i'm pretty sure vonnegut was a smoker when he said it

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juski:

I dunno who he is / was

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jrr:

i'm both wise and a smartass

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tzanger:

uh

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tzanger:

vonnegut was a heavy chain-smoker

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gardengnome:

he looks like it, too

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masonsjax:

i can never get heavy chains to stay lit

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kormoc:

one word... thermite

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gardengnome:

baaaaaaaad pun

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juski:

hmm. need a suitable package for designing this flyer

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Daviey:

inkscape?

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opello:

tex and xfig? :)

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juski:

inkscape isn't so hot for text boxes & suchlike is it?

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Daviey:

juski, pm ?

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juski:

Daviey: sure

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Dagmar:

juski: What, drawing rectangles?

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Dagmar:

Or are you talking about a box where text flows right and down and stuff

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Dagmar:

It does both

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Merlin83b:

Teh publisher!

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juski:

blech. my inkscape-fu sucks

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Dagmar:

Click the big A icon.

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juski:

ok lemme clarify that

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juski:

inkscape is dead easy

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juski:

however arranging everything to look nice isn't easy, nor is navigating around the document#

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Dagmar:

Yep, I can second that one

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Daviey:

has mspaint been dropped?

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juski:

no idea

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Daviey:

juski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU

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juski:

heh. drawn by somebody very 'special' no doubt :)

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juski:

what bugs me the most about inkscape is that it doesn't have an obvious colour picker device to take colours from images

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kormoc:

that was actually really well done

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Daviey:

another option would be scribus

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kormoc:

I actually been digging open office's draw app lately

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kormoc:

but I've been using it for diagrams

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Daviey:

kormoc, Did you see how quick that guy managed to draw mona lisa. Mouse moves sooo quickly

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kormoc:

Daviey, heh, yeah, 2.5 hours it said it took :P

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Daviey:

4:45 the player says

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Daviey:

:)

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kormoc:

Daviey, heh... that's *internet* time, not real time :P

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Daviey:

According to my internet clock i'm already in tommorow :s

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Dagmar:

Quick!

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Dagmar:

Tell us what IBM closed at!

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Daviey:

78.7 points

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Daviey:

or 5:30pm

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juski:

oh yeah did I mention how crashy inkscape is in windows?

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Dagmar:

I only have problems with it in one place

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Dagmar:

Like, do NOT try to export an image to a location that doesn't exist (because you didn't specify one yet)

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juski:

oops I seem to have smashed my mouse to pieces

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Dagmar:

Oh and don't proportionally (ctrl-click) resize text from the lower left grabhandle

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Dagmar:

It screws up

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juski:

no shit

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juski:

now I need a new mouse

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juski:

next time I'll try hypnotism rather than cold turkey

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gardengnome:

just remember the benefits

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juski:

my poor mouse

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juski:

it didn't deserve that :(

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gardengnome:

i hope it wasn't a logitech one. they only deserve good treatment

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juski:

MS thing

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juski:

been repaired more times than I care to remember anyway

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juski:

and impregnated with ash

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gardengnome:

ew

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juski:

I should maybe invest in a new keyboard too

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gardengnome:

get something pricey.

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Dagmar:

It was at least an optical mouse, right?

[17:15:23]

juski:

the monitor will be pricey

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juski:

Dagmar: oh yeah

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juski:

god

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

If it wasn't I was going to declare it a mercy killing

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juski:

have to get off my ass soon & go to vote

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juski:

hrm

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Dagmar:

You people can vote now?

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Dagmar:

WOW

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Dagmar:

That's really progressive

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gardengnome:

no worries, it's all on CCTV. they will choose the right thing.

[17:18:19]

juski:

yeah – we've been given the illusion that voting can lead to changes we control

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hugolp:

juski are you french?

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juski:

lol

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fryfrog:

canadian!

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juski:

living in the UK, I may aswell be, for all I act & think like a Brit

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hugolp:

I see where the sarcasm comes from now

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hugolp:

XD

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juski:

act like a Brit == lie down & be taken

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fryfrog:

i thought that was french :/

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hugolp:

I was born in Canada too, in shebrooke Quebec, but I lived all my live in Barcelona

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hugolp:

so I considere myself spanish

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hugolp:

or Catalan actually

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juski:

act like a Brit == cause untold problems on holiday by drinking too much & fighting anybody different to yourself :)

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fryfrog:

ahah

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hugolp:

hahahah

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fryfrog:

sounds like rednecks :p

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juski:

pretty much got the UK in one

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hugolp:

juski its funny cause you can really tell when a tourist is british or not

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Dagmar:

What, when they say "It feels like it's about 28C in here"

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gardengnome:

hugolp: have you ever been to mallorca? it's sometimes hard to tell apart the brish tourits from the german tourists ;)

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juski:

gardengnome: I'd have expected better from the Germans tbh :)

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gardengnome:

juski: ;) we are not as pale, usually

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fryfrog:

what, like an invasion of poland?

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juski:

sunburn & heat tolerance aside...

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Dagmar:

Someone did that here yesterday and I was astonished

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hugolp:

german, dutch, even french can get confused sometimes, but british... you just know

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hugolp:

XD

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Dagmar:

"Where the heck are you from that you haven't gotten used to the blank looks and stares when you cite a temperature in C here?"

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gardengnome:

fryfrog: if i knew for sure you wouldn't misunderstand the joke, i'd claim that it was poland who attacked first ;)

[17:25:08]

fryfrog:

i would laugh, you should make the joke for sure sir!

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gardengnome:

fryfrog: not in here, honestly. ;)

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kormoc:

Dagmar, Cananda?

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Actually this new guy is british

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juski:

I don't think I've ever bumped into a pro-Bush fellow around here

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kormoc:

heh

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hugolp:

juski: well, Bush is getting a lot of petrol for America and making your car ride cheaper.

[17:26:07]

hugolp:

just joking!

[17:26:14]

hugolp:

just joking

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Dagmar:

Most of hte people in this building have no idea what anything in C is unless it's boiling, freezing, or an acceptable temperature for a CPU to be

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Dagmar:

...and generally that last one has nothing to do with environmental controls in the room.

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Dagmar:

...unless the AC fails like it did yesterday

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hugolp:

British and americans should forget about their miles, Fareheit and the rest for ever

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juski:

Dagmar: it's not their fault they're er.. imperially challenged

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hugolp:

and go with the rest of the world

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grndslm:

do all / any OTA HD tuners support "normal" HD feed as well?

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juski:

I wish to God we'd get invaded by a cultured society & have done with it :)

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juski:

oh noes! they're forcing us to eat proper food that tastes nice, respect each other & our elders.. !

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hugolp:

well, juski you could get invaded by the spanish, but I wouldnt dare to call us cultured society

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gardengnome:

juski: what culture would that be?

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hugolp:

and also, I dont know if a spanish army could get to coordinate for such a task, too much work to do

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hugolp:

XD

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Dagmar:

Tell them the liquor is in London and last call is in three days and they'll find it

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juski:

gardengnome: a non-Islamic one I hope ;)

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kormoc:

gardengnome, the viking hordes

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kormoc:

just don't want to be a non-viking around them

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grndslm:

do any OTA HD tuners support "normal" HD feed as well, with some kinda direct, wired input?

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hugolp:

Dagmar: the english drink a lot more than the spanish, a lot more! I was surprised when I lived there

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fryfrog:

grndslm: erm, huh?

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hugolp:

it just happens that we have cheaper alcohol so thats why the british come here to get all pissed

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grndslm:

fryfrog: i'm asking of OTA HD tuners are limited to just OTA HD recordings?

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juski:

grndslm: if by that you mean component/hdmi/dvi inputs, then NO

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grndslm:

yea...

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fryfrog:

grndslm: well, some of them have "QAM" support also that lets you hook them to a cable network

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fryfrog:

but... yeah, that

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jrr:

maybe those hdhomerun people could make an affordable component capture device

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juski:

maybe the people who want the analogue hole closed for good could sue their asses off

[17:33:09]

grndslm:

so QAM is the only way to avoid using a cable box with myth?

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juski:

yeah yeah

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grndslm:

interesting...I'd bet digital cable alone records a lot better than my current analog feed

[17:34:20]

fryfrog:

cable box and firewire is the way to go with cable, unfortunatly

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fryfrog:

qam is likely to only get you the channels that are OTA anyway

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grndslm:

hmm...

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** grndslm wonders what box the local cable co gives out **

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fryfrog:

just request one with firewire, they have to be able to provide you with one

[17:36:00]

fryfrog:

i think a majority of the motorola ones work

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fryfrog:

though i hear they are starting to use some "Pace" boxes some places now :/

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directhex:

pace used to make high quality modems

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fryfrog:

i dunno if they work with myth or not

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Hoxzer:

Are there remote controls that would have keys that could be programmed one by one?

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fryfrog:

man, that'd be slow :p

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fryfrog:

but what do you mean?

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Hoxzer:

fryfrog: for example: red key would shutdown tv but other keys would have no effect for tv

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fryfrog:

humm, well for example my Logitech Harmony 688 will control the volume on my stereo at all times

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robbins876:

quick question: the planet earth series on discovery was in HD, it's also on HD-DVD...I've never seen an HD-DVD, will the quality be better on the disc than it was on TV? they'll both be 720p

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fryfrog:

shouldn't be, if they are trully 720p on the disk

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robbins876:

so it could look worse on disc?

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Tanthrix:

The HD-DVD should be 1080P

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fryfrog:

on HD-DVD, you'd think they could cram like 5 eps on there

[17:48:21]

Tanthrix:

No.

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kabtoffe:

bitrate might be different

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Tanthrix:

Not a chance.

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robbins876:

oh, i see, 1080p

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fryfrog:

robbins876: i doubt it would look *worse* but it shoudln't look *better*

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Tanthrix:

It will be a hell of a lot better than the overly compressed version.

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robbins876:

i've only got a 720p display, so would i notice a difference, yo uthink?

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Tanthrix:

And reviews have already said that it looks noticably better than the OTA version.

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robbins876:

hd-dvd vs. blu-ray, how have you guys decided?

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Tanthrix:

I'm inclined to agree – OTA stuff is, beyond being overly compressed for transmission, is often not mastered properly (ie they go cheap)

[17:50:16]

Tanthrix:

So movies I've seen in 1080i over cable don't look nearly as good as their hd-dvd counterparts

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robbins876:

tanthrix: that's the answer i was looking for

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robbins876:

and should i be running my tv in 720p or 1080i?

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fryfrog:

i don't see any point in deciding yet

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Tanthrix:

robbins876: Whatever looks better, though running at the native resolution is generally best

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fryfrog:

in one week, the borat dvd sold more copies than hd-dvd and blu-ray *combined* since their release

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robbins876:

but, do borat fans seem to be hdtv kind of people?

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robbins876:

i don't think so

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Tanthrix:

I personally hope blu-ray tanks due to my annoyence with Sony entertainment (and the fact that hd-dvds can be made using existing equipment)

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fryfrog:

no no

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Tanthrix:

But as fryfrog says, it's too early unless you've got disposable income

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robbins876:

the player for xbox 360 is only 170

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fryfrog:

i mean, the "borat" dvd sold more copies in *one* week than *every single release* since the beginning of hd-dvd and blu-ray combined

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robbins876:

oh, i see

[17:52:27]

fryfrog:

the fact that it was borat is immaterial, just the one used in example

[17:53:09]

Tanthrix:

robbins876: 170 is pretty cheap, but just remember that HD-DVD might go away eventually (probably not anytime soon, but in the long term)

[17:54:34]

Tronic:

(if it is from film source)

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fryfrog:

what i'm waiting for is hd-dvd / blu-ray (dual support) players :)

[17:55:09]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: Yes it does, but they just do 3:2 pulldown so you get real 1080p30 from 1080i60

[17:55:26]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: But most stuff isn't filmed in 1080P nowadays

[17:55:28]

Tronic:

Proparly mastered 1080i60 has telecine flags, which allow the MPEG-2 decoder to decode ~24 FPS progressive instead.

[17:55:49]

Tronic:

And 1080i50 just works perfectly with Weave (the no-op deinterlacer).

[17:55:51]

Zider:

fryfrog: I believe I've seen one..

[17:55:51]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: Which is still deinterlacing...go read up on 3:2 pull down

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Zider:

fryfrog: could be a planned device tho

[17:56:14]

fryfrog:

i've read about one, but i don't think they are available yet

[17:56:37]

fryfrog:

I personally think that HD-DVD / Blu-Ray will end up being like DVD+R and DVD-R, sort of

[17:56:49]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: But it *only* works as long as the source was 24 fps progressive, which rules out most TV stuff

[17:56:52]

fryfrog:

I mean... at the very least, Sony is irreversibly commited to Blu-Ray

[17:56:54]

Tronic:

Tanthrix: IVTC is often not tought as deinterlacing, and since the MPEG-2 decoder (i.e. not your program's deinterlacer) does it, I wouldn't call it deinterlacing either.

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Zider:

fryfrog: LG was supposed to release a player "later this year" according to an article written March 2006

[17:57:12]

Tronic:

But yeah, in any case, progressive is always superior.

[17:57:35]

Tronic:

It compresses better and alsow works fine for TV stuff, not just movies.

[17:58:06]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3:2_pulldown#3:2_pulldown & ndash; it's definately deinterlacing, and you're the first I've heard to say otherwise

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Tanthrix:

Tronic: 1080i is delivered in 60 separate fields per second, and those fields must be combined (deinterlacing) to get progressive output. The only difference is that 3:2 pulldown allows you to recreate in its entirety a 24 fps progressive stream

[17:59:15]

Tanthrix:

Tronic: Where as other stuff you get motion blur if you have a bad interlacer that does linear blends and stuff (compared to fancy adaptive deinterlacers and such..)

[18:03:12]

Tanthrix:

Which is why *everything* should be filmed in 1080p. It can be easily transmitted in 1080i60 and deinterlaced to 1080p30 in its entirety, even 30fps stuff

[18:04:17]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have a lttle problem some times i log on and start using mythtv ,but i have no sound. then i have to go to setup and change the sound device from sda1 to sda

[18:04:43]

Tanthrix:

Since 2 fields compose 1 frame, as opposed each field containing a unique chunk of video that doesn't line up with another, they can be linearally blended without any mouse teeth, blur, etc..

[18:04:54]

ubuntuEdgy:

some time i have to switch to sda1 on and on and on. what can i do about this ?

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Anduin:

ubuntuEdgy: sda?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i will get the exact name

[18:06:14]

ubuntuEdgy:

dsp1

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ubuntuEdgy:

and dsp

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fryfrog:

try instead using "ALSA:default" as the sound device

[18:07:04]

fryfrog:

and "default" as the mixer

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Anduin:

ubuntuEdgy: To you have on-board sound and a sound card?

[18:08:57]

Anduin:

Do

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes i have both but use the pci card

[18:09:24]

fryfrog:

disable the onboard one in your bios

[18:09:36]

fryfrog:

or if you can't, yank the pci one and just use the onboard sound

[18:09:39]

Anduin:

Or play with udev, blacklist, etc

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ubuntuEdgy:

ohh i didnt knwo this can be done.

[18:09:49]

ubuntuEdgy:

are you shure

[18:09:57]

fryfrog:

sure what?

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goreguts:

yea, disable the one you arent using

[18:10:15]

goreguts:

and you should also proably use ALSA:default

[18:10:15]

ubuntuEdgy:

the bios supports such a thing

[18:10:28]

fryfrog:

if it is built into the motherboard, you can usually disable it

[18:10:39]

fryfrog:

sometimes in an area called "Integrated Peripherals"

[18:10:45]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have this default stuff works

[18:10:57]

fryfrog:

well, it may or may not

[18:11:02]

fryfrog:

the issue is not due to that

[18:11:03]

Anduin:

It shouldn't

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ubuntuEdgy:

can u feel my pain of having to change the sound device every time

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fryfrog:

it is due to the fact that everytime you boot up ubuntu is picking a different sound card to use

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fryfrog:

*disable* the onboard audio or *remove* the pci sound card, easy fixes.

[18:12:01]

Anduin:

or use udev to create an unchanging device alias

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahh im going to try disabling it thou i have never seen this option before.

[18:12:25]

Zider:

set .asoundrc to adress the cards by name instead of ID

[18:12:32]

fryfrog:

it would be weird for it to not be there, i've never seen it *not* there

[18:12:44]

fryfrog:

why wouldn't you just use the onboard sound?

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok im goingto reboot and set it to disable

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ubuntuEdgy:

this sound card cost me £30 =-O

[18:14:16]

ubuntuEdgy:

plus it has 7.1

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok thanks brb

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fryfrog:

i sure hope he has 7.1 speakers for that 7.1 sound card... and something generating 7.1 sound

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Zider:

wouldn't be much use otherwise

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kash:

hi, i have a backend/frontend combination machine and was wondering if i could setup another machine to just do transcodes on

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fryfrog:

kash: should be possible, i imagine?

[18:16:12]

hvesalai:

hello

[18:16:14]

kash:

and then leave the backend/frontend combo to just record

[18:16:29]

kash:

fryfrog: it should be, but i'm not aware of how multiple backends works

[18:16:34]

hvesalai:

can I ask some newbie questions here

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hvesalai:

?

[18:16:46]

fryfrog:

kash: ah, just bring online your "slave backend" with no tuners

[18:16:55]

fryfrog:

maybe set your master to 0 simultanious jobs

[18:17:05]

fryfrog:

and the "slave" to 1 or 2 (depending on number of cpus)

[18:17:13]

kash:

wow, thanks :D

[18:17:21]

kash:

i didn't think of that

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fryfrog:

that does mean that the slave will likely end up doing commflagging :/

[18:17:50]

fryfrog:

there may be a smarter way of doing it

[18:17:52]

kash:

i know, but there's a feature request for max jobs of either type

[18:18:06]

kash:

i.e. max number of transcode jobs and max number of commflag jobs

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fryfrog:

i've actually been considering bringing my "fronened" only machine online as a slave to do commflagging

[18:18:14]

fryfrog:

ah, now that'd do it!

[18:18:44]

kash:

yeah but i don't know how much dev or how far that feature request is

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gardengnome:

hvesalai: using the mepo-wide theme?

[18:19:33]

hvesalai:

umm... no G.A.N.T

[18:20:20]

hvesalai:

it seems like it is busylooping on something

[18:20:24]

Anduin:

kash: Not sure if it is just svn but you can choose which job types...

[18:20:25]

kash:

fryfrog: why?

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fryfrog:

why what?

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kash:

13:18:04 < fryfrog> i've actually been considering bringing my "fronened" only machine online as a slave to do commflagging

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

i keep getting commflagging backlog

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kash:

ah

[18:21:02]

kash:

use realtime

[18:21:04]

fryfrog:

i'll get a commflag job that dies, but the be never realizes

[18:21:16]

fryfrog:

so i have to go in and edit the db, then nuke from jobque

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ubuntuEdgy:

done it

[18:21:28]

fryfrog:

realtime? is that in -fixes or just svn head?

[18:21:40]

kash:

i don't know, i've just read about it

[18:21:40]

ubuntuEdgy:

i disabled "onchip audio controller"

[18:21:45]

hvesalai:

gardengnome: hmm.. I changed to blue-theme and cpu is now at 1%

[18:21:52]

hvesalai:

so its the theme that is buggy ?

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fryfrog:

spiffy :)

[18:21:58]

grndslm:

ok...so I'm pretty sure mytharchive wasn't working because the /usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive directory is on the frontend and this prolly needs to be a folder on the backend??

[18:22:08]

gardengnome:

hvesalai: dunno. search the mailing list :)

[18:22:10]

grndslm:

otherwise, it should work

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gardengnome:

grndslm: mytharchive is to be used on a combined FE/BE box. otherwise, you'll have to nfs-mount your recording directory on the FE

[18:23:51]

grndslm:

i've never used nfs before

[18:23:51]

fryfrog:

i wish i could figure out why mythcommflag is choking on some shows :/

[18:23:51]

ubuntuEdgy:

grndslm: but how fill you lpace the backend folder on the front end ?

[18:23:51]

hvesalai:

so what about my other question. Is there anyway to run hdparm before and after DVD playback?

[18:23:51]

grndslm:

i could use sshfs right?

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fryfrog:

that'd be... dumb-tarded, no offense :)

[18:23:52]

fryfrog:

use nfs, it is quite easy

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grndslm:

why's that?

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fryfrog:

throw an entry in /etc/exports

[18:23:52]

fryfrog:

add an entry in /etc/fstab

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ubuntuEdgy:

thank you fryfrog

[18:24:01]

fryfrog:

well, because ssh transfers are encrypted and use up cpu?

[18:24:18]

ubuntuEdgy:

sound i staill the dsp on default ?

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kormoc:

and sshfs is slow and buggy for large transfers?

[18:24:27]

kash:

yes

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fryfrog:

well, actually since i have never tried sshfs i can't say for sure it'd be a bad idea

[18:24:42]

ubuntuEdgy:

should i still leave the dsp1 on default

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grndslm:

i'll try it out and see how it goes

[18:24:46]

grndslm:

then revert to nfs

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kash:

fryfrog: it is :)

[18:24:49]

fryfrog:

you are welcome to try it, i'd welcome a correction of my uninformed opinion :)

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nuxil:

hi all..

[18:25:06]

fryfrog:

ubuntuEdgy: yeah, you should still use "ALSA:default" and "default"

[18:25:23]

kormoc:

grndslm, also, keep in mind that sshfs's reconnect lag can be enough to cause frame droppage

[18:25:29]

fryfrog:

it makes Myth use alsa instead of OSS, which is just an OSS compatibility layer going through ALSA anyway

[18:26:07]

fryfrog:

so does sshfs mean you have to setup a no password and/or key pair w/o pw?

[18:26:28]

kormoc:

grndslm, also, myth might want to read larger then 64k from a file to start playback, which sshfs does not currently support, so you might get a ton of prebuffer pauses

[18:26:39]

kormoc:

fryfrog, could, or can hardcode it in your /etc/fstab

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

which of course means a pw stored in plain text

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kormoc:

in a file that everyone can access

[18:27:04]

grndslm:

chmod it

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fryfrog:

grndslm: i hate to be the kind of person that says don't bother with something new... but, i woudln't bother with something new

[18:27:31]

fryfrog:

NFS is fast, works great and is pretty easy to setup

[18:27:44]

fryfrog:

just make sure you feed it a few good options (like async) on the mount line

[18:27:48]

nuxil:

i still got my problem with mythtv.. the tv picture is flimmering.. i tryed to changing tv format. "all pals" but pure pal is what im suppose to use.. anyone got an idea why the tv picture is flimmering ? with mplayer the picture is crystal clear

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ubuntuEdgy:

fryfrog: dsp1 is gone now i only have dsp and default dose not work

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kormoc:

fryfrog, heh, I set those server side :P

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fryfrog:

from /etc/exports – /data 10.0.1.1/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)

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fryfrog:

from /etc/fstab on client – 10.0.1.2:/data /data nfs soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp 0 0

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fryfrog:

kormoc: well, if you don't set a share to "async" on the nfs server, i don't think you can mount with async option?

[18:29:22]

Anduin:

ubuntuEdgy: ALSA:default for the audio device (default was just for the mixer)

[18:29:44]

kormoc:

fryfrog, hrm, I thought it would set the default, but not require it

[18:29:46]

ubuntuEdgy:

Anduin: i know what you mean

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fryfrog:

yeah, sorry "ALSA:default" is the *device* then a few down where it says something about mixer, you use "default"

[18:29:59]

fryfrog:

kormoc: ah, you may be right. i've not tried that i recall

[18:30:12]

fryfrog:

are you really running edgy ubuntu?

[18:30:21]

ubuntuEdgy:

it didnt work i will try it again

[18:30:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

yes

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kash:

so apparently pulling a DVD drive from a running system causes it to slow wayyyyyyy down :)

[18:31:04]

fryfrog:

hahah

[18:31:13]

fryfrog:

you mean, just unhooking it from IDE while its up?

[18:31:52]

goreguts:

haha

[18:31:58]

kash:

yeah

[18:32:01]

fryfrog:

ouch :0

[18:32:05]

goreguts:

there was a xbox hack where you had to do that

[18:32:16]

kash:

dmesg: non-existant device (/dev/hdd), requeueing

[18:32:18]

kash:

over and over

[18:32:19]

ubuntuEdgy:

really

[18:32:19]

kash:

rofl

[18:32:20]

gardengnome:

hdparm knows a few commands where you can reset the IDE bus

[18:32:29]

kash:

gardengnome: too slow for that

[18:32:36]

goreguts:

unplug the stock hd, and plug it into another one you had powered by your computer

[18:32:39]

kash:

it was barely able to let me login via ssh to reboot it

[18:33:03]

nuxil:

hmm

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nuxil:

arr.. im going crazy.. i cant watch tv with mplayer.. that suks.. and myth is not beeing a good friend at the moment,

[18:35:43]

ubuntuEdgy:

hay dose any one know why i some times suffer from blur when watching tv. its with videos too

[18:36:23]

nuxil:

do anyone else have | had simmelar issue as i got ?

[18:36:23]

ubuntuEdgy:

nuxil:use some other player

[18:36:31]

nuxil:

duh.

[18:36:40]

ubuntuEdgy:

vlc

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nuxil:

i want mplayer to watch tv.

[18:36:49]

kash:

or use pp and deinterlacing :)

[18:36:51]

nuxil:

*mythtv

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ubuntuEdgy:

or caffeine player.

[18:37:19]

nuxil:

ubuntuEdgy, i dont think vlc will work with ivtv. "not sure"

[18:37:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

ivtv ?

[18:37:48]

ubuntuEdgy:

!ivtv

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nuxil:

if you dont know what it is,, dont ask

[18:38:09]

gardengnome:

right, www.justfuckinggoogleit.com ;)

[18:38:22]

ubuntuEdgy:

ohh mabe some one else can help you then

[18:38:36]

nuxil:

www.justfuckingoogleit.com all day yeasterday

[18:40:37]

EnterUserName:

What is ivtv and how do i make it run mythtv?

[18:40:40]

EnterUserName:

<j/k>

[18:40:45]

EnterUserName:

im trying to be the amarok bot

[18:40:56]

EnterUserName:

The mythtv modulew ith the ivtv application

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gardengnome:

amarok bot? as in the music player? then you'd crash daily ;)

[18:42:35]

ubuntuEdgy:

whats this http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/pegasos/dscf0803.jpg i was searching for ivtv

[18:43:01]

gardengnome:

ugh

[18:43:17]

Zider:

looks like a socket 370-cpu on an adapter for slot1

[18:43:19]

gardengnome:

it looks like a CPU, but i don't think it is one.

[18:43:26]

gardengnome:

Zider: right, that sounds sensible

[18:43:42]

nuxil:

is ther issues with mythtv version 0.20.20060828–3 and ivtv module 0.10.1 ?

[18:43:43]

ubuntuEdgy:

ohh old tech then

[18:44:08]

juski:

is ther enybdy wh cn spk englsh hre?

[18:44:14]

gardengnome:

nuxil: that's actually possible. there have been API changes. you should search trac

[18:44:21]

ubuntuEdgy:

lmaioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[18:44:22]

gardengnome:

juski: hä? was is los?

[18:46:08]

nuxil:

was is das?

[18:46:13]

nuxil:

trac?

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nuxil:

nevermind

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ubuntuEdgy:

I would like to use my bluetooth headset for sound

[18:49:21]

ubuntuEdgy:

or even control mythtv with my headset

[18:49:38]

kash:

wow

[18:49:46]

kash:

i've lost 20 lbs

[18:50:06]

ubuntuEdgy:

hahahah............

[18:50:07]

nuxil:

ohh.. did you take a crap :p

[18:50:09]

kormoc:

the topic switching in this channel is amazing

[18:50:19]

kash:

nope, been dieting for a week

[18:50:19]

nuxil:

jk

[18:50:22]

kash:

stopped eating crap

[18:50:23]

kash:

lo

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kash:

kormoc: i know, right

[18:51:09]

nuxil:

gardengnome, did you mean this site ? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ ?

[18:52:22]

kash:

i don't know what's wrong with my dog. he gets hungry every 3 days or so

[18:52:28]

gardengnome:

nuxil: yes

[18:52:53]

nuxil:

hmm..

[18:53:17]

gardengnome:

i feel like i've gained 40 pounds in a week since my finals are over

[18:53:20]

kash:

anyone use Quantum bigfoot hard drives?

[18:54:10]

GreyFoxx:

They still make those ?

[18:55:09]

kormoc:

nope

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kash:

nope

[18:56:05]

kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigfoot_(hard_drive)

[18:56:07]

kash:

i've got two ancient ones

[18:56:12]

kash:

a 8GB and 6GB

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kormoc:

1.28 gb to 19.2 gb, quite small

[18:56:23]

kash:

contempilating just replacing them

[18:56:24]

kash:

lol.

[18:56:40]

kash:

yeah, they're slow also

[18:57:15]

ubuntuEdgy:

what speed are they

[18:57:35]

ubuntuEdgy:

2300 ?or 100 rpm

[18:57:36]

kormoc:

5400 rpm

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ubuntuEdgy:

how can that be

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kormoc:

tis why they went with 5.25" rather then the 3.5"

[18:58:46]

ubuntuEdgy:

i see,

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kormoc:

whoops, my mistake

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kormoc:

the first few bigfoots were 3600 rpm, the newer ones were 5400 rpm

[18:59:30]

ubuntuEdgy:

i used to have a 8.0 gb it was very very load lol. i was happy when it stopped working

[18:59:40]

ubuntuEdgy:

loud8

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kash:

these are sooo loud

[18:59:47]

kash:

fuckin annoying

[19:00:04]

kash:

i threw one out of a 4 story building onto cement and it still works

[19:00:11]

kash:

the cement was not so lucky

[19:00:15]

gbee:

they went with 5.25 because it meant a cheaper product – downside was increased rpm to match the access times etc of 3.5" drives

[19:00:27]

gbee:

had an early one, a 1.2Gb

[19:01:07]

kash:

i've also had a bunch of fireballs

[19:01:12]

kash:

more of those have died on me than anything else

[19:01:30]

ubuntuEdgy:

any how dose any one get fed up of waiting for a channel lock up, im used to the speed of the tv what you change channels.

[19:01:37]

ubuntuEdgy:

when you *

[19:01:39]

gbee:

kash: I hate to throw things away as well, but given the average disk size is 250Gb for less than $100 you might just consider getting a new drive ;)

[19:01:46]

kash:

i know

[19:01:49]

kash:

i've got a 200GB SATA

[19:01:53]

kash:

and a bunch of others

[19:02:21]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have 160 sata 2

[19:02:35]

kash:

sata 2 is not a real name

[19:02:37]

kash:

it's sata/300

[19:02:47]

juski:

woo I'm gonna be glad I stuck with inkscrape :)

[19:02:54]

gbee:

ubuntuEdgy: no, latest SVN is significantly faster than it used to be but not many people bother watching LiveTV once they start using mythtv

[19:03:02]

ubuntuEdgy:

is sata 300 fast ?

[19:03:12]

kash:

yeah i just wait for the programmes to be recorded

[19:03:13]

kash:

lol

[19:03:19]

kash:

or i go watch tv on an actual tv

[19:03:26]

Zider:

sata/300 is fast yes

[19:03:51]

ubuntuEdgy:

faster the ide

[19:03:51]

gpd:

I want to move from /var/lib/mythtv to /home/me/mythtv – are there gotchas – or do i just moved the files and change the setting in mythtv-setup?

[19:03:54]

kash:

sata/300 is 300gbit/sec

[19:03:58]

kash:

or 300MB/s

[19:04:16]

kash:

just move it

[19:04:16]

GreyFoxx:

:q:q

[19:04:17]

kash:

and then ln -s

[19:04:18]

GreyFoxx:

oops

[19:04:19]

kash:

:)

[19:04:24]

fryfrog:

gpd: that should do it, you might want to do a sweep of the db for your old path

[19:04:26]

juski:

like any HDD available today can deliver 300MB/sec

[19:04:27]

kash:

GreyFoxx: vi user?

[19:04:37]

GreyFoxx:

kash: Yes

[19:04:38]

fryfrog:

yeah, seriously :p

[19:04:41]

kash:

juski: you're right, the max is 262MB/s

[19:04:46]

GreyFoxx:

Vi/ViM are my editor of choice

[19:04:53]

fryfrog:

you'll be lucky to get 20–40mb/sec write and 80 or less read i'd guess

[19:04:57]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have ide 160 and sata 3000, i cant see the difference. thou the sata300 is really small and nice

[19:04:58]

kash:

hdparm -t got that on a colo'd box

[19:05:05]

fryfrog:

unless you are pulling only from the cache on the disk

[19:05:14]

gbee:

ubuntuEdgy: theoretically it is fat, but the actual data rates are limited by the drive and few can manage even the 150Gbit of Sata/150

[19:05:15]

kash:

no, it was direct read

[19:05:19]

kash:

quad opteron box

[19:05:31]

fryfrog:

with what, a 15k rpm hd?

[19:05:34]

gbee:

s/fat/fast/

[19:05:36]

kash:

yes

[19:05:43]

fryfrog:

not sata then :p

[19:05:52]

kash:

it is :/

[19:06:16]

ubuntuEdgy:

gbee: cant wait til hard drives get faster. that will be just out of this world man

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fryfrog:

i didn't realize they had consumer 15k sata drives?

[19:06:42]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm, well it's a busy recording night for me... what better time to do another svn up and compile just before it starts

[19:06:46]

kash:

it's a server box

[19:06:50]

kash:

i didn't build it

[19:06:52]

kash:

:p

[19:06:56]

kash:

the IX did

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gbee:

ubuntuEdgy: and noisy if they stick with the mechanical drive technology

[19:07:35]

kash:

GreyFoxx: good luck with that :)

[19:07:38]

nuxil:

WOOHOOO.. fixed my issue.. :D

[19:07:38]

kash:

hope it doesn't break

[19:07:54]

GreyFoxx:

kask: I svn up at least once a week. It never breaks :)

[19:08:05]

kash:

kash*

[19:08:25]

kash:

brb

[19:08:29]

fryfrog:

i only see timed cached and timed buffered reads, doesn't that mean they are both being cached?

[19:08:31]

nuxil:

it was kida stupid.. :p had to change the lines from 480 to 768 :P and the picture is not flimmering anymore :)

[19:08:33]

fryfrog:

from hdparm that is

[19:08:34]

GreyFoxx:

And someone has to run it after all :)

[19:08:50]

fryfrog:

i got 168mb on a drive that sure as *shit* doesn't sustain that :p

[19:08:52]

ubuntuEdgy:

gbee: flash* memory is rubish for the long run

[19:09:05]

fryfrog:

i usually do my tests of read/write with dd and files that are bigger than my ram (1.5G)

[19:09:24]

gpd:

any idea what tables to look for broken links?

[19:09:42]

gpd:

i did the above – and even made the link – but it still isn't finding the old shows

[19:10:57]

fryfrog:

I'd just search for the old path in the entire DB

[19:11:04]

fryfrog:

change any and it should fix?

[19:11:34]

gpd:

remind me how to search a database for a string in mysql?

[19:11:46]

gpd:

phpmyadmin is not available on this box :(

[19:11:59]

Zider:

ubuntuEdgy: why would it be rubbish?

[19:12:18]

fryfrog:

oh, blech

[19:12:30]

fryfrog:

i don't remember, i was gonna say use phpmyadmin :p

[19:12:49]

** gpd dumps and greps **

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ubuntuEdgy:

Zider: because you can right on it only for a limited number of times

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ubuntuEdgy:

i read this of cnet

[19:14:22]

Zider:

ubuntuEdgy: with current flash technology yes

[19:14:22]

juski:

write/right/wrong

[19:14:27]

juski:

of?

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Zider:

ubuntuEdgy: with PRAM it should be theoretically unlimited

[19:14:50]

juski:

modern flash devices have better wear levelling than HDDs to tell the truth

[19:15:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

wow

[19:15:26]

ubuntuEdgy:

but they are expensive right ?

[19:15:49]

ubuntuEdgy:

im about to ask a stupid qestion

[19:15:53]

Zider:

right now they are, yes

[19:15:59]

Zider:

but they will get cheaper

[19:16:09]

Zider:

flash prices are dropping every day almost :P

[19:16:15]

gpd:

well – no sign of /var/lib/mythtv in the database – but still it says the recordsing not found — despite link back to new location at /var/lib/myth... oddness

[19:16:26]

ubuntuEdgy:

will this command install the svn svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv

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ubuntuEdgy:

i done it and got this at the end U mythtv

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ubuntuEdgy:

Checked out revision 13402.

[19:17:13]

Zider:

ubuntuEdgy: it will check out the svn source, then you can compile it

[19:18:01]

ubuntuEdgy:

ok

[19:18:18]

ubuntuEdgy:

was it a stupid question

[19:18:29]

Zider:

nah

[19:18:31]

kash:

no

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ubuntuEdgy:

ah thanks guys

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clever:

FINALY got tvout working on ati card

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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clever:

but it only works in text mode

[19:20:38]

clever:

need a proper modeline for it

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kash:

it looks like rubbish, eh? :P

[19:22:50]

kash:

when you start X, it gets all distorted?

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gpd:

hmm — it seems to be looking for recordings in the mythtv directory – not the mythtv/recordings dir... maybe I should have just moved recordings :(

[19:24:01]

clever:

yeah

[19:24:10]

clever:

like setting my pc to a res the moniter cant handle

[19:24:22]

clever:

because the tv cant handle that res

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clever:

but im able to swap it between crt/lcd/tv at runtime so it wont need to reload mythtv every time

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one know a good guide for compiling and installing mythtv svn

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a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: Under Edgy?

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kash:

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ubuntuEdgy:

feisty now

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gpd:

ok – all fixed PEBKAC – misread the setup line :(

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ubuntuEdgy:

god, my feet stink >:o

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Andyman53:

Hey all

[19:31:07]

Andyman53:

i'm having a problem where my channels dont' match up to the guide...namely they're two off

[19:31:08]

ubuntuEdgy:

hi

[19:31:25]

Andyman53:

i've rebuilt mythfilldatabase and even with the --channels option

[19:31:36]

Andyman53:

even re ran setup a few times to double check

[19:31:43]

Andyman53:

everything else however, works fine

[19:32:04]

ubuntuEdgy:

a5benwillis: edgy will have to do if you dont have one for feisty

[19:32:23]

kash:

Andyman53: check the frequency table

[19:32:35]

Andyman53:

i can tune to the channels live, no problem

[19:32:44]

Andyman53:

that's accurate

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Andyman53:

searched through everything too

[19:35:32]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: Why not use Myth from the repository.

[19:36:05]

kash:

or

[19:36:08]

kash:

just use the edgy guide

[19:36:12]

kash:

since it's all the same

[19:36:49]

juski:

it's NOT all the same

[19:36:54]

ubuntuEdgy:

god damn, all i want is svn with new improved feature

[19:37:00]

kash:

the commands are.

[19:37:02]

Andyman53:

anyone?

[19:37:07]

ubuntuEdgy:

features

[19:37:12]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv

[19:37:18]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy:

[19:37:18]

juski:

sudo apt-get install svn

[19:37:24]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: Chill, I just got here

[19:37:33]

ubuntuEdgy:

hi juski, will this do it mate ?

[19:37:35]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: install subversion

[19:37:56]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have installed subversion

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juski:

mate? bit familiar innit?

[19:38:05]

kash:

fryfrog: i got another idea

[19:38:07]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: I confess that I only know how to install on edgy

[19:38:08]

ubuntuEdgy:

very

[19:38:25]

kash:

how about if under the mythtv-setup job queue options, i uncheck "allow commercial detection jobs"

[19:38:35]

kash:

and i uncheck "allow transcoding jobs" on the frontend

[19:38:38]

ubuntuEdgy:

a5benwillis: i thou they were the same, apparently not

[19:38:54]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: Dunno, Ive onlyever installedon edgy

[19:38:55]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: they're the same to a certain extent

[19:39:20]

ubuntuEdgy:

but will this do it ?

[19:39:24]

juski:

but what I'm getting at is that following a howto for edgy won't necessarily do you much good for a different version ;)

[19:39:39]

juski:

there's no harm to be done in trying it though

[19:39:51]

kash:

sure, no harm unless he hoses his system

[19:39:55]

ubuntuEdgy:

what about the backend do i run these commands over ssh sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv

[19:40:50]

ubuntuEdgy:

then run sudo apt-get install svn

[19:41:19]

ubuntuEdgy:

hope im making sense. and not being noobish

[19:42:07]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: build-dep mythtv should pull in all the stuff you're going to need to be able to build mythtv from source

[19:42:25]

juski:

you'll probably want to do apt-get build-dep mythplugins too

[19:43:11]

Andyman53:

kash: any other suggestions?

[19:43:33]

kash:

nope

[19:43:41]

kash:

check the wiki though, there's stuff about that on there

[19:46:26]

ubuntuEdgy:

juski i would hate to test your patients but what did you mean by "apt-get install svn, i have the svn in a file called :~/mythtv_build$

[19:46:55]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: I mean the subversion client

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ubuntuEdgy:

i done sudo mkdir then svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk mythtv_build

[19:47:28]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: That installs SUBVERSION

[19:47:46]

ubuntuEdgy:

so its installed now then ?

[19:48:29]

ubuntuEdgy:

i never done ./configure the make and finally make install

[19:49:13]

Andyman53:

i've checked the wiki and alot of other places

[19:49:20]

Andyman53:

i can't find anything relating to this specific incidence

[19:49:26]

Andyman53:

the guide shows the channels fine

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Andyman53:

but the guide details don't sync to the channels, the data is there, but its off sync

[19:50:20]

Andyman53:

i've been looking for days... i had no idea this chan existed

[19:50:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

ok please help me undo this command i have just run ,ln -s /usr/lib/qt3 /usr/lib/qt-3.x

[19:51:16]

a5benwillis:

sudo rm /usr/lib/qt-3.x

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a5benwillis:

why undo it though? itshouldnt hurtanything.

[19:51:44]

ubuntuEdgy:

thank you bro, i think i will stick to what works for me :)

[19:51:53]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: Are you using a guide? I dont remember seeinganything like that

[19:52:11]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: Huh?

[19:52:21]

ubuntuEdgy:

its a fedora guide http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _source_code

[19:52:46]

ubuntuEdgy:

its the best i could get from google

[19:52:55]

a5benwillis:

but youre installing on Ubuntu, right?

[19:53:03]

a5benwillis:

oh ok

[19:53:04]

kash:

oh god

[19:53:06]

kash:

Linux is Linux

[19:53:11]

kash:

no matter what name they slap on it

[19:53:21]

a5benwillis:

kash: As long as he KNOWS the correct pathsfor ubuntu

[19:53:23]

ubuntuEdgy:

you sure

[19:53:43]

kash:

a5benwillis: if he configures everything with the new paths, who cares?

[19:53:48]

a5benwillis:

kash: Theinstall is NOT the same for someone followinga guide

[19:54:14]

a5benwillis:

kash: For instance, when he goes to setup mythweb... different paths, different user for apache

[19:54:19]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: Did you know that?

[19:54:26]

kash:

ok, first off, quit capitalising random words

[19:54:28]

ubuntuEdgy:

i dont know all the paths so i will wait till a guide for feisty is made, it should be soon these guys that do it are very talented

[19:54:29]

kash:

that's pissing me off

[19:54:36]

kash:

ubuntuEdgy: just use the edgy one

[19:54:57]

a5benwillis:

kash: I agree, just use the edgy guide.Its in the Wiki

[19:54:57]

Milosch:

the minor differences would be the only reason to use a guide specific to the distribution, so imo it's worth a read at most

[19:55:15]

ubuntuEdgy:

who me /

[19:55:22]

kash:

ubuntuEdgy: use the edgy guide

[19:56:27]

ubuntuEdgy:

noooo i hate it when i install stuff and it wont install because it cant find the files it need. like mythweb

[19:56:32]

ubuntuEdgy:

needs8

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kash:

Andyman53

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kash:

what tuner card are you using

[19:57:03]

ubuntuEdgy:

I'm just going to wait, I'm patient too

[19:57:08]

kash:

ok, then wait

[19:57:30]

ubuntuEdgy:

you guys use opera ?

[19:57:36]

kash:

nope, firefox

[19:57:40]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: DID you find the ubuntu guide in the wiki?

[19:57:43]

ubuntuEdgy:

tryed opera ?

[19:57:50]

kash:

yes, i don't like it

[19:58:13]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation

[19:58:13]

Andyman53:

pvr-150 from hauppague

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ubuntuEdgy:

a5benwillis: i will give it a look, when i get some time.

[19:58:22]

a5benwillis:

ubuntuEdgy: Havefun

[19:58:25]

kash:

Andyman53: what distro

[19:58:27]

ubuntuEdgy:

a5benwillis: thanks

[19:58:29]

a5benwillis:

LOL

[19:58:31]

kash:

wait, 150?

[19:58:35]

kash:

that's kind of unsupported

[19:58:42]

Milosch:

er

[19:58:59]

ubuntuEdgy:

firefox is good but not as good as very one raves about it

[19:59:06]

ubuntuEdgy:

every8

[19:59:43]

Andyman53:

fedora fc6

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ubuntuEdgy:

you must try the new opera lost of things have changed

[20:00:16]

Andyman53:

kash: i checked the hardware guide it says the pvr-x50 are good

[20:00:30]

Andyman53:

its not a tuner problem, i can watch tv fine

[20:00:55]

Andyman53:

when i put on the channel guide, it says ch 2, no data, 3 no data, and the 4 starts displaying channel 2 guide data, 5 displays channel 3 guide data

[20:00:55]

kash:

hmm

[20:01:05]

Andyman53:

and so on

[20:01:13]

kash:

maybe db problem?

[20:01:19]

kash:

did you try deleting all channels?

[20:01:32]

Andyman53:

i just mythfilldatabase --channels

[20:01:38]

Andyman53:

and the channels per se are correct now

[20:01:47]

Milosch:

Andyman53: when that starts happening, it's usually because of repeated setup of the hardware, best to remove the cards and add them again to clean up the db

[20:01:48]

Andyman53:

and i re ran mythfilldatabase

[20:01:48]

kash:

ok so no more problem?

[20:01:57]

goreguts:

kash: the pvr-150 is very supported, by the way

[20:02:07]

kash:

goreguts: last i saw (long ago) it wasn't

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Andyman53:

i still have the problem

[20:02:15]

Andyman53:

but i tried those things

[20:02:19]

kash:

Andyman53: go into mythtv-setup then channel editor

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kash:

select delete all channels

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Andyman53:

ok

[20:02:28]

kash:

then re-run mythfilldatabase

[20:02:51]

goreguts:

yea thats really weird

[20:04:30]

Andyman53:

so delete all channels

[20:04:39]

Andyman53:

but don't go to channel scanner? and just go to mythfilldatabase?

[20:06:54]

kash:

yes

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Andyman53:

:D

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Andyman53:

we're go for takeoff

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Andyman53:

thanks a bunch guys

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hugolp:

Hi

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juski:

coming on some.. www.juski.co.uk/mythflyer.svg

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ubuntuEdgy:

very nice juski

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski is that you on the picture here http://www.lugradio.org/live/2007/index.php/Main_Page

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jams:

that reminds me, need to register a few domains!

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kash:

wtf

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kash:

mythtv has recommended a porn to me

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kash:

o_O

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Ribs:

haha

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Ribs:

good work

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clever:

.

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kash:

in other news, apparently mythbusters watchers enjoy "feisty adult entrepeneurs"

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clever:

ran into this( http://pastebin.ca/467904 ) error last night and i disabled firewire support and now im getting this one http://pastebin.ca/469613

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clever:

same error i think

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The_Belgain:

hi, i'm looking into my options for getting a quiet living-room-friendly mythtv frontend box set up and am quite tempted by a mac mini

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The_Belgain:

what's the current state of mythtv frontend on OSX – is it as stable / featureful as on linux?

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jarle:

juski: There seems to be a typo in the minimyth URL...

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kash:

nono, ubuntuEdgy

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kash:

mount it over NFS

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The_Belgain:

in particular, do the frontend plugins (especially mythvideo, mythmusic, mythdvd) all work on OSX?

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kash:

The_Belgain: look at the wiki?

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kash:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X

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The_Belgain:

the wiki isn't very explicit about the plugins, or about giving a general view on how stable it all is... also it seems a little out of date in places

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kash:

yes, it works

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kash:

i don't know about plugins

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The_Belgain:

right, thanks

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ubuntuEdgy:

that was a long question huh ?

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: use NFS

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The_Belgain:

the wiki seems to say that mythmusic doesn't work on OSX – does anyone know whether that's still true?

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kash:

why not try it and tell us? :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok i will research it now

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clever:

ran into this( http://pastebin.ca/467904 ) error last night and i disabled firewire support and now im getting this one http://pastebin.ca/469613

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clever:

same error i think

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kash:

we read

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kash:

thanks

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ubuntuEdgy:

so how would i mount a file on the server for eg example /home/user/videos, here's the syntax sudo mount server.mydomain.com:/network/officesdocs /home/me/myfiles

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kash:

yes

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kash:

you need to export it first on your backend

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ubuntuEdgy:

thanks you kash

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kash:

no problem

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ubuntuEdgy:

thank*

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clever:

after adding this line to my /etc/exports and reloading nfs

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clever:

from those 3 ip's

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kash:

yesss

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kash:

Master Backend:

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kash:

* Total Space: 129,028 MB

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kash:

* Space Used: 0,000 MB

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kash:

* Space Free: 129,028 MB

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kash:

RAID ftw

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hugolp:

kash: mythtv is for pron!

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kash:

it may not seem much to you guys, but that's a lot more than just 50G :)

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isidoro:

hi

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kash:

(which it was without the two 40s)

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kash:

i'd add more drives but it has a small PSU :(

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isidoro:

:'(

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isidoro:

I am not been able to set it up correctly... it won't tune

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kash:

well gee, maybe it's not supported

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isidoro:

chipsets are: saa7131E & TDA 10046A

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: you need to start mountd and nfsd

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ubuntuEdgy:

this is installed on the frontedn right sudo apt-get install portmap nfs-common

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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isidoro:

other small chips too small for to be readen what they are

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hugolp:

ubuntuEdgy: have you open the ports?

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hugolp:

yeah well

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ubuntuEdgy:

guide says nothing about ports

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hugolp:

I know because it happen to me

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ubuntuEdgy:

including not mount

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hugolp:

I think ubuntu comes with the nfs ports open as default but if you have touch it, maybe you need to open them again

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont

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hugolp:

you could try to open all ports just between the two computers you want to conect and check

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ubuntuEdgy:

so this should be on the backend portmap nfs-common

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hugolp:

that worked for me after a lot of not knowing what to do

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ubuntuEdgy:

good idea

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kash:

...

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kash:

it's NFS

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kash:

not FTP

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kash:

you dope

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ubuntuEdgy:

:-D

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: no

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hugolp:

XD

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hugolp:

no ftp

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ubuntuEdgy:

can't get address for ftp, i think i know why :-)

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kash:

...

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kash:

you can't be serious

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kash:

what's the IP of your backend

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kash:

and on the backend, where are your files stored (the videos)

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ubuntuEdgy:

/home/timo/Videos

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kash:

ok, so do this

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hugolp:

kash: sudo mount mejor

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hugolp:

por si las moscas

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kash:

english please.

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hugolp:

sorry

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hugolp:

I was coming from the spanish chat

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hugolp:

XD

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kash:

i don't bother with sudo, i just sudo su and use that

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hugolp:

ok

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hugolp:

cool

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kash:

ok

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kash:

so on your backend, do /etc/init.d/nfs-common start

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kash:

and /etc/init.d/portmap start

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ubuntuEdgy:

so what do i inmstall on the backend i currectly done have any thing installed to do with portmap

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kash:

apt-get install portmap

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ubuntuEdgy:

souldnt i have done this sudo apt-get install portmap nfs-common

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kash:

and nfs-kernel-server

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ubuntuEdgy:

on the backend not the front

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The_Belgain:

kash: sorry, was away from the computer – yes i would normally just try and see, but i don't have a mac i can try this out on (i'd like to know whether this is going to work before i spend £££ on a mac mini...) :)

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kash:

ah

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kash:

i've got a mac, but i cba to set it up :(

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kash:

lol, i could plug it in and give you VNC/SSH to it

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The_Belgain:

i'll do a little more research myself ta – might head over to avsforum and read one of those 100-page threads :)

[21:15:19]

The_Belgain:

i'm currently using a media MVP as a frontend for mythtv, but will be getting an HDTV soon so want to upgrade to something a little meatyer that will do high-def

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kash:

just build a PC then

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kash:

using an athlon 64 X2 it will be significantly more powerful and less costly than an equivilent mac

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The_Belgain:

i'd like something small, quiet (ideally silent), which will fit nicely in a living-room

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kash:

or take your chances and install linux-ppc on it

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kash:

and that means anything will run

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The_Belgain:

yeah, i think i might just try it and if it doesn't work then stick ubuntu on it

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kash:

i don't like OS X much anyhow

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The_Belgain:

it'll be intel not ppc anyway (the new mac minis are intel)

[21:17:08]

kash:

too stuffed with crap

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kash:

right, forgot about that

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kash:

mine's ppc

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kash:

G5

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The_Belgain:

the new minis actually seem vaguely reasonable for the price tbh, which is why i was looking at them

[21:18:26]

kash:

go for it

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The_Belgain:

need to actually get my mythtv backend back into a working state first :(

[21:19:04]

The_Belgain:

and buy yet more hard drives for it (ran out of space on 1.6TB array – doh)

[21:19:13]

kash:

convert them to divx

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kash:

or xvid

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kash:

that's like 400MB per hour

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The_Belgain:

they are

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kash:

oh, wow

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kash:

:)

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The_Belgain:

hehe

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kash:

why so much videos?

[21:20:20]

kash:

ah

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The_Belgain:

and i want to keep the originals

[21:20:30]

kash:

burn them to DVD

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kash:

or bluray

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The_Belgain:

i've had too many DVDs become unreadable on me

[21:20:51]

kash:

i looked at bluray burner prices yesterday.. that's outrageous

[21:20:58]

kash:

$600 for a low-end model

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TSCHAK2:

understatement

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ubuntuEdgy:

now i get "failed, reason given by server: Permission denied

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The_Belgain:

RAID5 has survived 3 disk failures over the past 2 years

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: make sure your IP is in the export

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TSCHAK2:

now if only i could back up my mythtv recordings to a Jungledisk

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TSCHAK2:

:-D

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TSCHAK2:

hehe

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kash:

haha

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kash:

or a gmail drive

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ubuntuEdgy:

how do i do that kash

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ubuntuEdgy:

ur IP is in the export

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: i don't know how in linux, but i'm sure you can find it

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kash:

ok

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy

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kash:

/dir/to/export host2.mydomain.com(ro,root_squash)

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kash:

what's the IP for your frontend

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kash:

in /etc/exports on the backend

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The_Belgain:

oh, one more question – the other potential frontend device i was thinking about was a hacked Apple TV (pretty cheap)

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kash:

and then restart nfs-common

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kash:

The_Belgain: i don't know anything about those

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kash:

guess it would work

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The_Belgain:

does anyone know whether the linux on apple tv project is anywhere near far enough along?

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kash:

i wouldn't think so

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kash:

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/04/10/linux-on-apple-tv/

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The_Belgain:

i think it's possible to hack it to boot OSX, but that leaves you having to buy the apple tv and also buy an osx license (which makes it less interesting)

[21:26:31]

kash:

you could just illegally acquire OS X :P

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kash:

which i don't condone

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kash:

but uh, hey, if it happens, who's going to do anything about it

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The_Belgain:

i'd much rather have free linux on it that pirated OSX

[21:28:31]

kash:

yeah

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The_Belgain:

and it looks like that might actually work, from that page

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: /usr/sbin/exportfs -a

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kash:

i think apple tv has hdtv, right?

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The_Belgain:

the apple tv has better connectivity than the mac mini (it has HDMI, component video, and optical sound)

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: did it work?

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kash:

The_Belgain: then do that, duh

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The_Belgain:

and yes, it outputs HDTV (though i don't know whether the CPU is meaty enough to do that in software – i think that may end up being the sticking point for mythtv)

[21:30:17]

kash:

it has a hardware decoder

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kash:

if it's supported, i have no clue

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ubuntuEdgy:

im confused now , trying to clear my head

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have found the exports file like you said /etc/exports

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kash:

and?

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ubuntuEdgy:

failed, reason given by server: Permission denied

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ubuntuEdgy:

dont i have to chmod 775 some kind of file

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kash:

did you add that line then run /usr/sbin/exportfs -a?

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kash:

The_Belgain: i love my CPU in my desktop. i can play 1080p and encode 720p without a hiccup :)

[21:37:43]

The_Belgain:

is that 1080p MPEG2?

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kash:

yes

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kash:

in all of its 11GB/hr goodness

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gbee:

ubuntuEdgy: no that isn't Juski – he's shorter .... with pointed ears and a long nose

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The_Belgain:

i live in the UK, and the BBC (the main broadcaster) will likely use H.264 for their broadcasts – i'm guessing that'll require a pretty beefy CPU to decode

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kash:

i guess

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hugolp:

ubuntuEdgy: I got permision denied with nfs because of the ports

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hugolp:

check taht

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ubuntuEdgy:

gbee: hhhhhhhhahahahhhahahha

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The_Belgain:

HDTV broadcasts will start around summer 2008 i think (we're a little behind the US on the whole HD thing)

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ubuntuEdgy:

hugolp: how can i stop them

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ubuntuEdgy:

i mean open them

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: #ubuntu

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hugolp:

ubuntuEdgy: install firestarter, its the easy way

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kash:

they'll be able to help more

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hugolp:

its a graphical interface

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kash:

hugolp: ubuntu doesn't block the ports

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ubuntuEdgy:

great

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kash:

it's an NFS problem

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kash:

probably the fact that he's not running the commands i tell him to

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hugolp:

kash: well it did in mine

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ubuntuEdgy:

i am

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ubuntuEdgy:

i will shouw you

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hugolp:

kash: I had permision denied with nfs in my ubuntu until I open the ports

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hugolp:

and I tried to close them to check again

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hugolp:

and i wouldn work until I opened them

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: try what he says then

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kash:

i give up

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ubuntuEdgy:

sudo /usr/sbin/exportfs -a

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kash:

ok

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ubuntuEdgy:

:)

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kash:

so add to the line in /etc/exports 'async'

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kash:

like that

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ubuntuEdgy:

here is the complete out put

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ubuntuEdgy:

sudo /usr/sbin/exportfs -a

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ubuntuEdgy:

Assuming default behaviour ('sync').

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ubuntuEdgy:

NOTE: this default has changed from previous versions

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kash:

i'm confused now

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kash:

did you run that on your backend

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes

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kash:

ok, now what happens when you mount it

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kash:

on the frontend

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ubuntuEdgy:

and i placed this on the /etc/export file

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ubuntuEdgy:

# Example for NFSv2 and NFSv3:

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ubuntuEdgy:

# /srv/homes hostname1(rw,sync) hostname2(ro,sync)

[21:45:49]

kash:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249889

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kash:

there

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kash:

man it's raining

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kash:

:(

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ubuntuEdgy:

thank u bro

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ubuntuEdgy:

works now

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kash:

what fixed it?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i placed this at the end ,async)

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kash:

ah, :P

[21:56:24]

kash:

told you

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ubuntuEdgy:

i know

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ubuntuEdgy:

:)

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kash:

did you add the stuff to fstab

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ubuntuEdgy:

doing it now :P

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kash:

i need to compile the myth svn :/

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ubuntuEdgy:

good luck

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kash:

meh, i can't yet

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kash:

i don't know the specifics for doing it in knoppmyt

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kash:

+h

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ubuntuEdgy:

i know how it feels, i also cant compile it for feisty.

[22:02:22]

ubuntuEdgy:

but im happt with the way things work

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kash:

no, i /have/ to

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kash:

my frontend segfaults :p

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ubuntuEdgy:

oops

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ubuntuEdgy:

guys i want to make an icon, that when i double click it will wol my other pc. is this possible or am i dreaming

[22:05:14]

kash:

it will what?

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Anduin:

wake-on-lan

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kash:

ohh

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, sure you can

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kash:

ubuntuEdgy: yes, if it will wake up from a ping

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jarle:

Anybody using the Hauppauge! WinTV-HVR3000, Hybrid tuner?

[22:07:35]

kormoc:

isn't that one of the driverless ones?

[22:08:20]

kash:

it works

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kash:

but analogue only

[22:08:40]

kash:

er, no, it has DVB support too now

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jarle:

kash: My problem; right now I am on analogue, but after the summer I will have to go for either DVB-T, or DVB-S, so I'm looking for a card that I can still use after the summer...

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jarle:

kash: you have a link about the support?

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kash:

it works with DVB-T in the Linux kernel

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kash:

with the DVB module

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jarle:

kash: hmm, which kernel is that?

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kash:

doesn't matter

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kash:

works with .20

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jarle:

kash, oki, hopefully it will spupport DVB-S also by the end of the summer!

[22:14:44]

kash:

... it does

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jarle:

kash: oki, the link you sent me seemed to only talk about DVB-T, but maybe the same for DVB-S..

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kash:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV_Nova-T_PCI

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kash:

buy that one then

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kash:

or a pcHD3000

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jarle:

The Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T PCI is a DVB-T-only card, I want both DVB-S and DVB-T, so I guess i'll go for the 3000

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kash:

what's the big difference between DVB-S and DVB-T

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kash:

i don't understand it

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jarle:

DVB-S uses satellites (you'll need a dish) while DVB-T uses transmitters located at the ground...

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kash:

i see

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jarle:

kash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB

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kash:

i looked

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ubuntuEdgy:

what do you use kash: dvb-t ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

dvb-c?

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kash:

i use ATSC :p

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ubuntuEdgy:

analogue.

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kash:

no, hd

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kash:

atsc is north american hdtv specification

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ubuntuEdgy:

OAHHhhh

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ubuntuEdgy:

i use dvb-t

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ubuntuEdgy:

i cant wait to go HD

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HaSH:

hello all. ive got a pvr-150 wintv card. im using mandriva 2007.1 . im able to do mplayer /dev/video0 and it will play. but i cant get mythtv to work with it. when i try to start mythtvfrontend it says it cant connect to the server. ive checked and mandriva says the backend is running. if i manual type mythtvbackend it will show some stuff. but then when i type mythtvfrontend it just makes my screen go black.

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Jenetik:

Is there a key binding I can use to bring up the program guide when watching tv?>

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Jenetik:

or how do you see the channel guide without arrowing

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Anduin:

Jenetik: s

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Jenetik:

thanks

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Jenetik:

is there a listing of the commands somewhere?

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Anduin:

keys.txt

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Fnc:

g

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Jenetik:

awesome

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Jenetik:

g = adjust recorder brightness?

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Jenetik:

how do yohow do you use that

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kash:

hit g, move left / right arrow

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kash:

:p

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Jenetik:

oh, for recording only

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Jenetik:

not for live

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Jenetik:

thx

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Jenetik:

l8r

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a5benwillis:

hello people

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a5benwillis:

wonder if that ubuntu fella got myth installed earlier lol

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grndslm:

do those of you with ivtv chips actually feel like you benefit from recording at resolutions larger than 480x480??

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kash:

i think he did

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kash:

grndslm: you shouldn't on analogue, i don't think

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kash:

since the source's resolution is 480x480

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grndslm:

hmm....others have told me it was 640x480

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grndslm:

also...if i ever get mytharchive working, it will transcode my 480x480 videos to the proper resolution necessary for dvds, right??

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kash:

yes

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a5benwillis:

man, stupid startup script is killin me.

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a5benwillis:

wish I had my remote so I could be working on it instead

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kash:

where is it

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kash:

i just set mine up :)

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kash:

working great

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kash:

i even got the tivo blips to work

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a5benwillis:

well, I may be starting something that you arent :)

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a5benwillis:

are you in NA or UK?

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a5benwillis:

tivo! nice

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kash:

na?

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kash:

wtf is na

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a5benwillis:

north america

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kash:

oh

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kash:

yeah, na

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a5benwillis:

were you asking where my remote is or my script?

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a5benwillis:

confused lol

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kash:

remote :p

[23:48:27]

a5benwillis:

ah

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a5benwillis:

just bought it on ebay today

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a5benwillis:

coming from Iowa

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kash:

oh nice

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a5benwillis:

logitech 688

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kash:

which remote

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** kash googles **

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kash:

can you add something to the wiki for me

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kash:

i'm too lazy

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kash:

http://outflux.net/blog/archives/2005/10/16/m . . . tton-sounds/

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kash:

oh the harmony

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kash:

nice

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kash:

how much was that?

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a5benwillis:

got it for 59

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a5benwillis:

supposed to be easy to setup in myth

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a5benwillis:

now I need to sell my Pronto

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kash:

pronto..?

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kash:

i'm getting more ram for my backend this weekend

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kash:

so it'll put me up to 768MB

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kash:

petty, i know, but i'm not doing much with it atm

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a5benwillis:

I have 1gb in my fe/be

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a5benwillis:

only two tuners right now

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kash:

i've got 6 tuners

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kash:

:D

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kash:

and 256MB RAM

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a5benwillis:

pronto = Phillips Pronto tsu3000

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a5benwillis:

6!!!

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kash:

yeah

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a5benwillis:

atsc or sat?

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kash:

all analogue except one ATSC

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kash:

.. and software encoding

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kash:

i didn't know about that shit when i ordered these

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a5benwillis:

I have a few wintv cards but not sure what I can really do with them

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kash:

they're all winfast 2000XP deluxes

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a5benwillis:

the ones with the bt8xx drivers

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kash:

and a pcHDTV 5000

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kash:

yeah, mine use bt878

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kash:

er, bttv

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a5benwillis:

I have one in my test machine at work. only get like 26 chans though lol

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kash:

lol

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kash:

meh, i use satellite and antennas

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a5benwillis:

getting over 1000 on sat though

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kash:

so i record local channels with the atsc and 5 tuners then satellite stuff with the one

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a5benwillis:

which sat card?

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kash:

because i don't have any ir blasters

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kash:

it's not a sat card

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a5benwillis:

oh yeah, tivo

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kash:

it's a directv receiver with serial port

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a5benwillis:

which myth theme are you using?

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a5benwillis:

with that ram I just wondered

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kash:

i dunno

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kash:

it's the default knoppmyth one

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kash:

brb

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a5benwillis:

Im using blootube-wide

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a5benwillis:

ah, G.A.N.T

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williammanda:

i need help in getting my password setup correctly for mysql so I can setup mythbackend

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williammanda:

i changed the initial password to mythtv using dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common....

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kash:

back

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williammanda:

then I restarted mysql

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