Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, May 2nd, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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quantum:

well everything else pretty much seems to work. is there a way to repair it?

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quantum:

where do I find the DB

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Agrajag-:

/var/lib/mysql probably

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Agrajag-:

but you might be able to repair it

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Agrajag-:

fire up mysql and run "repair table recordedseek"

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xris:

Agrajag-: or just run optimize_mythdb.pl :)

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xris:

quantum: ^^^ (it's in the contrib directory)

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quantum:

well let me try the repair table first, but what do I need to get it to execute, is that the whole statement

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quantum:

;

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quantum:

or something?

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t0ny-p40:

Haha ebay is funny

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t0ny-p40:

YOU ARE BIDDING ONE SEAGATE IDE HARD DRIVE 400GB 7200RPM. IT WORKING GOOD

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Zider:

built-in S.M.A.R.T at ebay? ;P

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quantum:

I don't think I have the optimize program

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t0ny-p40:

Is mythtv going to support hd-dvd now that the hey has been found?

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cyrexion:

does anyone know if the hd-5500 comes with a remote?

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grndslm:

i asked this yesterday, but i'm gonna ask one more time just to see others' opinions... if i'm only planning on burning svcds, would i really want to increase my recording resolution to 720x480??

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quantum:

yeah found the optimize, lets see

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xris:

quantum: it's in the source tarball.. it'll run repair/optimize on all tables in the myth db.

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quantum:

will it report errors

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xris:

not sure.

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quantum:

well I ran it, but same thing it still crashes

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Zider:

grndslm: since that's more than SVCD resolution I'd say "no"

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t0ny-p40:

Is there any other good mpeg capture cards that are cheap?

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grndslm:

Zider: Dagmar, was it? ..told me that it's always better to increase resolution...but i doubt my cable co's analog feed really has 720x480 resolution, at least often

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dhowland:

Say you are recording a show to disk (time shifting) and the disk runs out of space. Does mythtv have the capability to remove old video on the fly to make room for the new?

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t0ny-p40:

yes

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Zider:

grndslm: svcd resolution is 480x480 for NTSC and 480x576 for PAL

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t0ny-p40:

By default it will remove the oldest show

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xris:

"under $70"

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dhowland:

t0ny-p40: okay, so it will just delete the entire oldest show?

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grndslm:

yes, and the lowest prioritised show as well

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grndslm:

so, it'll delete all of a crappy show before any of a decent show

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t0ny-p40:

xris, still a lot of money :/

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t0ny-p40:

I would have got one for $40 but ups destroyed it.

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t0ny-p40:

I want to get one with the usb ir blaster.

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quantum:

o.k. well that fixed my one error, but the cd importer is still crashing, now I get no errors from it

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t0ny-p40:

I would use the usb ir blaster as a trigger for my dslr camera so I can make time lapses :)

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quantum:

is there any way to tell what is going wrong

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Zider:

*off to bed*

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t0ny-p40:

quantum, you have a crashed recordseek?

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quantum:

I ran the optimize program won't that take care of it?

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t0ny-p40:

it should

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quantum:

I don't see the same record see error any more,

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quantum:

yeah, I don't see any error any more, it just crashes the mythfront end

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quantum:

definately fixed the one problem though

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cyrexion:

netrix: do you use both the IR receiver and blaster?

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netrix:

cyrexion: yes and no. currently i use a receiver and i am working on setting up a blaster right now.

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netrix:

cryexion: i want to use both on the same machine.

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cyrexion:

do you have only one serial port to work with?

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quantum:

well I ran it from a terminal and it does a Segmentation fault when I launch the cd importer

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netrix:

cyrexion: again, yes and no. one of my systems has two serial ports, and the other system has one serial port so i am going to use a usb serial adapter. i want to have a reciever and blaster on both systems.

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quantum:

is there anyway to tell what is causing the seg. fault?

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netrix:

quantum: strace?

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quantum:

socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 26

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quantum:

ioctl(0, CDROM_DISC_STATUS, 0) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)

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quantum:

--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---

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quantum:

+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++

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quantum:

any idea

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quantum:

what that means?

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cyrexion:

either the 2nd or 3rd argument to the ioctl() system call is invalid

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quantum:

any idea how I would go about correcting that?

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Sid`:

well no, you're getting EINVAL because you're calling the CDROM_DISC_STATUS on fd 0

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Sid`:

which is stdin

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Sid`:

CDROM_DISC_STATUS ioctl even

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quantum:

so you are saying my cdrom dev. is setup wrong?

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cyrexion:

the descriptor is valid though...

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quantum:

is the a problem with how my dev is setup?

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Sid`:

for some reason, it's trying to call a cdrom ioctl on standard input

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Sid`:

you figure out why.

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Sid`:

unless it's closed stdin and fd 0 now points at an opened cdrom device

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Sid`:

and the EINVAL is for something else

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Sid`:

but you haven't really pasted enough of the trace to tell

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cyrexion:

EINVAL, according to 'man ioctl', indicates either the request (arg 2) or argp (arg 3) is invalid...

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Anduin:

K350: Yes, you need MySQL

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K350:

huu

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K350:

scary

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K350:

I didnt' asked the question yet

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quantum:

sid let me try pasting to pastebin

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Anduin:

I am everywhere.

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Sid`:

cyrexion: the request or argp is invalid FOR THE FD

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K350:

Okay..mysql...thanks!

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Anduin:

K350: Find a good install guide, it will make things easier.

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cyrexion:

Sid`: makes sense

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chuk:

will any of the via epia mobos handle HD?

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netrix:

still wondering if anyone can help me getting lirc_serial working with two serial devices ...?

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quantum:

hmm pastebin.com doesn't work

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Anduin:

rafb.net

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Sid`:

pastebin hasn't been up in yonks

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netrix:

quantum: yeah noticed that .. try http://papernapkin.org/pastebin

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hads:

http://www.google.com/search?q=pastebin :)

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goreguts:

so i got firewire working (woo!) but my remote stopped working (boo!)

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goreguts:

i wonder if the firewire card i installed is conflicting with the pvr-150 remote

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goreguts:

though, i can still use the pvr-150 to watch tv

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goreguts:

is that possible?

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quantum:

Sid`, did you get that?

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quantum:

this is really dumb, but I tried another cd and it works fine, must be some kind of copy protection on my cd, what the heck

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quantum:

any way around that ?

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quantum:

I thought linux was smarter than that

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Sid`:

it is, usually

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Sid`:

although the disc might be broken in a subtle way that interacts with subtle breakage in the cd importer

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quantum:

is there another linux util that I could try?

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quantum:

yeah I tried another one of the disks in that set and it seems to work o.k., weird, maybe it is slightly broken

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quantum:

wonder if there is any way to make an image and repair it or something

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hound:

Can anyone think of why I might have ivtv dma errors when my CPU use gets high during transcoding or commercial flagging?

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hound:

I have onboard nic and video, it's an nforce2 motherboard I believe... it only happens during high cpu usage.

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quantum:

if I exit during a cd import will it keep importing it

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hound:

quantum, it does for dvd importing and archiving so I would think so. haven't tried audio cd import specifically.

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Anduin:

hound: Should check the ivtv lists, there is something similar if cpu scaling is enabled (or was).

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hound:

Anduin, I've been searching, and will keep going. interesting you say if scaling was enabled... do you think disabling it by itself wouldn't fix hte problem?

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Anduin:

hound: Disabling it seemed to fix it (this is all from memory, mine is regularly faulty)

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hound:

I disabled cool`n`quiet in the bios, I wonder if thats not enough.

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hound:

I wonder if it has something to do with SMP, I don't see how that's related to DMA though.

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quantum:

yeah basically you can't exit import cd until it finishes, too bad

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quantum:

flac flies are big

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quantum:

need a TB drive

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hound:

Anduin, which kernel version do you use?

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Anduin:

hound: 2.6.20.something, I don't have the problem (and use 250s/350)

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hound:

cool, I'll try upgrading to 2.6.20

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Anduin:

I didn't have a problem with earlier kernels either, but yeah 0.10.1 (or close) and that kernel work ok for me.

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hound:

oh that's disappointing. I've tried a lot of different ivtv versions without success.

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salmenara:

hello

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salmenara:

anyone here can help me???

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salmenara:

I am trying to configure mythtv but I am having some problems

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salmenara:

The most important is that when I select the tuner card, nothing is saved

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salmenara:

as if I haven't chosen anything

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hound:

wow 2.6.20 is a huge page with the nvidia driver.

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hound:

salmenara, could you be hitting cancel by accident? take careful notice of what button is hightlighted whenyour going through the mythtv-setup menus. See that you hit finish.

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hound:

I would expcet other errors if things just don't save and you are hitting the right buttons. See any?

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salmenara:

nop

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salmenara:

I press Finish button

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hound:

see any errors?

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salmenara:

hound: nop, nothing

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Anduin:

look for them at the console as well

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hound:

If the backend is running maybe that would cause changes to be lost, but you should see an error if it's running.

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Fnc:

oh i know what the problem is

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salmenara:

hound: When I run mythtv-setup from console, I get some problems about the tables in the mythtconverg database

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Fnc:

kill the db, and recreate ut

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Fnc:

er it

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salmenara:

Fnc: how can I do that???

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Fnc:

its on the myth page or the wiki

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Fnc:

i cant remember right now

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Fnc:

somethign with the word drop in it i think

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salmenara:

Fnc: it worked, thanks a lot

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Fnc:

im drunk and in a shit mood... shit day at work...

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Fnc:

glad i could help something at least

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K350:

Do I've to study and learn how to set up a mysql database in order to run mythtv?

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Fnc:

no

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salmenara:

Now, I have another problem ... the frontend doesn't find the backend and both are in the same machine

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salmenara:

K350: what is your distro?

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Fnc:

errer mesge?

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K350:

skulselmof mythtv? No idea..

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Fnc:

k350

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Fnc:

go install knoppmyth

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Fnc:

takes 15 mins.. and your done

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salmenara:

Fnc: Error: Could not connect to the master backend server — is it running? Is the IP address set for it in the setup program correct?

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K350:

ooo-kay..

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K350:

what is knoppmyth btw?

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Fnc:

googlew!

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Fnc:

salmenara um.. ifconfig

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salmenara:

Fnc: the backend isn't running

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Fnc:

then rerun mythtv-setup

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salmenara:

both are in the same machine

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Fnc:

salmenara

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Fnc:

mythbackend

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Fnc:

tyype tyhat

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voltagex:

hello, I cannot run mythtv within an ssh'd chroot'd session so I need to create the configs manually. What files do I need to create/edit?

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voltagex:

I'm configuring mythtv for use on a livecd

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Fnc:

um.. live cd

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Fnc:

i guess youd need a cd

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Fnc:

well a cd and a cdburner.. that might be good

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voltagex:

Fnc: that's not helpful, I need to CREATE the configuration

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voltagex:

without using myth-setup

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Fnc:

config for what?

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voltagex:

this isn't a pre made livecd, I'm currenly *making* a livecd

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voltagex:

with MythTV on it

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Fnc:

yeah i got that part

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voltagex:

and I am unable to use mythtv-setup at this stage

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Fnc:

even though im not that smart

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voltagex:

I am unable to use mythtv-setup, so whatever it does I need to do manually

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Fnc:

why you wanna create a live cd.. whats the end goal?

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voltagex:

to run MythTV frontend without reformatting the poor user's Windows system

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voltagex:

hence, LiveCD

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pat_:

use minimyth, and netboot it off the server

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Fnc:

why not use the ones that are already out?

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Fnc:

or knopp

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voltagex:

Knoppmyth is a piece of shit

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Anduin:

fix it

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Fnc:

pashah..

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Fnc:

lkike you could do any better

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voltagex:

omg

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voltagex:

why is this so hard?

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voltagex:

mythtv-setup is not magic

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kormoc:

voltagex, ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Anduin:

voltagex: it isn't but recreating what it does isn't the best thing to do, if you just want a base, run it against a new DB, dump, put it on your live CD

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voltagex:

kormoc: already configured with the correct details

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voltagex:

Anduin: thanks, that might be a very good idea

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kormoc:

voltagex, that's the only file mythtv-setup creates, the rest is DB

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voltagex:

kormoc: ah

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voltagex:

kormoc: I have been using MythTV on my main computer for a while, will that database be ok?

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Discipulus:

Does the MythTV license allow people to build a computer w/ MythTV on it and sell it?

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kormoc:

voltagex, it would likely be better to start fresh, unless you're only going for exactly your setup and nothing else

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voltagex:

kormoc: only within my network

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Fnc:

kormoc you are right.. being fresh is the only way togo

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kormoc:

voltagex, if it's in your network, are you going to have a live cd backend?

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Fnc:

oh man.. the illegals were martching again today,... shouting USA U S A

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voltagex:

kormoc: no, backend is running on a normal desktop

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kormoc:

voltagex, you don't need the DB on the live cd, as long as the mysql.txt file points to the DB on the backend, it will connect to that and get all the settings from there that it needs

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MrGeoff:

Is mythcommflag multi-threaded (optionally) for better utilization in SMP systems?

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kormoc:

MrGeoff, nope

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voltagex:

kormoc: ah, so is mythtvbackend required on the client-livecd?

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MrGeoff:

Alright thanks anyway.

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kormoc:

voltagex, not at all

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voltagex:

kormoc: currently have the livecd running in chroot, so I can apt-get remove the backend?

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kormoc:

voltagex, it likely only saves the space of that binary, it's likely just better to leave it on there and just don't run it.

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voltagex:

kormoc: ok, so the backend configuration will be read from mysql.txt

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achew22:

has anyone had any sucess with gestures?

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kormoc:

voltagex, well the database will, and then it pulls the rest from the DB it points to, aye

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voltagex:

kormoc: nice, then I guess my livecd is ready

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salmenara:

hi

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salmenara:

Fnc: are you still here?

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Fnc:

salmenara rar

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salmenara:

Now, I am having some problems with the colors

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salmenara:

e.g.: Faces are shown in light blue

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Fnc:

input card?

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salmenara:

Hauppaugge PVR-USB 2.0

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salmenara:

in mplayer is working well

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K350:

uff

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K350:

didn't thougt my mythtv installation would end up in some mysql tutorials

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Tanthrix:

Digg is hilarious right now.

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kormoc:

cane toads flying though the air?

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Tanthrix:

It brings a tear to my eye...

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Tanthrix:

(Not really – but it is cool.)

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Tanthrix:

Though there is something that seems a bit, shall we say, overly dramatic about the whole thing

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Tanthrix:

Some of these people seem to think they are freedom fighters or something

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AngryElf:

how do I figure out what to put for DISPLAY=? in order to send mfe to different screens?

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Tanthrix:

Just play with it until it works

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Tanthrix:

0.0, 0.1 generally does the trick for 2 display setups, if I recall correctly

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juski:

morning

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aarcane:

hi, is it possible to make mythtv video plugin play symlinks ?

[05:36:15]

kormoc:

I think it does

[05:36:37]

aarcane:

I have a bunch of sym-links now to files which the mythtv user has access to. they don't play.

[05:36:43]

aarcane:

they don't even show up.

[05:36:50]

kormoc:

did you scan the collection?

[05:38:12]

aarcane:

repeatedly.

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aarcane:

it gets rescanned 2–3 times a day as I add and remove videos.

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t0ny-p40:

Damn, digg dugg its self to death over this hddvd thing

[06:04:15]

voltagex:

yep

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dFG:

morning

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[06:21:57]

** juski diggs digg a hole so it can be given a proper burial **

[06:22:50]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[06:22:59]

Dagmar:

I hope for Kevin's sake Digg was turned into an LLC already

[06:23:14]

juski:

aarcane: maybe you need the 'show unscanned files' thingy clicked

[06:24:36]

aarcane:

doesn't help

[06:24:44]

kormoc:

so a tad OT, but when someone sends a email with the sign off of cheers, what would be a good sign off that's about the same level of friendliness without being cheers/

[06:25:03]

Tanthrix:

aarcane: juski's probably right. I play symlinked folders (don't know about files) all the time without any troubles and no scanning. (I just use mythvideo as a file browser, no metadata and stuff so I have that disabled)

[06:25:10]

juski:

QQQQ ?

[06:25:15]

Dagmar:

Ja-mata, peace...

[06:25:27]

aarcane:

so if I disable meta-data it should work ?

[06:25:40]

kormoc:

I use meta-data and symlinked folders just fine

[06:25:44]

kormoc:

juski, QQQQ?

[06:26:17]

juski:

four Q's.. I was kidding

[06:26:24]

kormoc:

heh :P

[06:26:50]

juski:

I normally just sign 'regards'

[06:26:53]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: regards

[06:27:00]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, beat me to it justki!

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Tanthrix:

juski*

[06:27:12]

juski:

luv U, Juski XXXXXX

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kormoc:

achew22, not currently, no

[06:27:46]

juski:

PS Add me to your myspaz friends.. clicky here!

[06:27:50]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: So who's so special that they deserve this much thought concerning an e-mail closing? ;)

[06:27:58]

kormoc:

heh, I typically go with "thanks", just seems a tad distant

[06:28:06]

achew22:

shucks... kormoc is it on the list of future features or should i add it to trac?

[06:28:14]

kormoc:

achew22, someday

[06:28:33]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, uhh... I'm not gonna answer that ;)

[06:28:43]

Tanthrix:

Oooo la la, and all that

[06:28:54]

juski:

ahhh ;)

[06:29:01]

achew22:

kormoc, any other really nifty features I didn't see yet?

[06:29:03]

juski:

(in Eric Idle voice).. say no more!

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juski:

achew22: get a spare box & put the latest SVN on it :)

[06:31:07]

** juski is looking forward to seeing projectM visuals in mythmusic. oyay **

[06:31:10]

achew22:

juski, I got svn on it — I just don't have the keenest eye

[06:31:31]

Tanthrix:

juski: Out of curiosity, are you future proofing your themes with regards to resolution? (Designing at 1920x1080 as opposed to 1280x720P)

[06:31:46]

juski:

Tanthrix: nope. currently no need to

[06:31:48]

kormoc:

achew22, not really

[06:32:03]

aarcane:

I've gone through all the settings and can't find the settings to make the symlinks show up in the video list

[06:32:06]

achew22:

anyone had sucess on the nifty remote thing in mythweb?

[06:32:30]

Tanthrix:

juski: That's the point of future proofing...so that when things do change eventually (and they most definately will) you won't have to go back and redo everything

[06:32:42]

juski:

Tanthrix: I just won't go back & re-do everything

[06:32:47]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[06:32:49]

Tanthrix:

Well that works too!

[06:32:56]

juski:

projectgrayhem is dead already to my mind

[06:33:22]

juski:

I still have all the source files in vector form anyway :-P

[06:33:34]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, good.

[06:33:43]

juski:

and the bitmaps are resized down to fit the theme

[06:33:54]

juski:

all the source images are bigger than they need to be

[06:34:27]

juski:

so you proposing a new base resolution for -wide themes?

[06:34:30]

achew22:

juski, which theme are you referring to?

[06:34:43]

Tanthrix:

Yah, that's essentially what I meant. Not that you were making 1080P themes, just that you kept all the vector stuff, etc..

[06:35:09]

juski:

achew22: does it matter? I only ever say I like my most current theme, and it's usually true

[06:35:26]

Tanthrix:

And yes, as soon as I get some time I'm going to look into how hard it would be to support 1920x1080P sized themes

[06:35:30]

achew22:

juski, no, but if you have new work I haven't seen I love to look

[06:35:55]

Tanthrix:

Seems like it shouldn't be that big of a deal, considering the images all get sized up accordingly anyway.

[06:36:03]

** Tanthrix doesn't know anything about how hard it actually is **

[06:36:43]

juski:

it's hard-coded, but I'd suggest putting a new theme element in base.xml to say what the theme's base res is

[06:37:18]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I know that I'm going to have to poke around in code and put my learnin' hat on to figure it all out

[06:37:25]

juski:

then, try to read the base res – if it's not present and the theme is -wide, assume 1280x720.. etc...

[06:38:34]

juski:

Tanthrix: I managed to patch mythvideo to include a new background element in the gallery page a while back. didn't take much figuring out

[06:38:42]

Tanthrix:

It's just ridiculous to have a hard coded max of 720P for themes, I'm not sure who thought that was a good idea in the first place

[06:38:52]

juski:

no it's not

[06:38:55]

juski:

it

[06:39:00]

juski:

it's reasonable IMHO

[06:39:44]

Tanthrix:

Why? 720P themes get scaled up anyway, so obviously it's not a matter of memory usage (since the actual images displayed on a 1080P set have been resized up to 1080P)

[06:39:45]

juski:

maybe now more folks screen resolutions are higher than 720p, it's time to look at it again

[06:40:10]

Tanthrix:

And you can always scale down without quality loss, but you can never go up

[06:40:21]

Tanthrix:

So it's best to include the largest possible then scale down from there

[06:40:37]

juski:

I wonder how big a download blootube-wide1080p would be

[06:40:44]

juski:

it's over 20MB now, as 720P

[06:41:22]

dFG:

I was wondering, is there a handy way mute frontend ?.. no, but how about muting audio from backend ?

[06:41:24]

juski:

I'd re-do blootube-wide for 1080, for sure

[06:41:38]

Tanthrix:

So, with zero benefits of limiting at 720P, and with big benefits of allowing 1080P, it's a no brainer in my mind

[06:41:42]

juski:

dFG: eh? you only need mute _playback_ audio

[06:41:47]

Tanthrix:

Hopefully I'll be able to figure it out ;)

[06:42:08]

juski:

Tanthrix: maybe it themer friendly, or you'll have me to calm down

[06:42:17]

achew22:

does the svn have all the "unofficial" themes/

[06:42:20]

Tanthrix:

I know it's not really a big deal for most people right now since 1080P sets are still rare-ish, so I don't expect anyone to get motivated to do ii

[06:42:24]

juski:

achew22: no

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Tanthrix:

juski: Hrm?

[06:43:12]

juski:

damnit

[06:43:22]

juski:

Tanthrix: I meant make it themer friendly ;)

[06:43:31]

dFG:

(using myth on opensuse desktop, and like hear webradio, while tv is on)

[06:43:51]

juski:

dFG: sorry to hear that

[06:43:57]

Tanthrix:

juski: Oh, hehehe. Well, I probably won't be able to figure out enough to make any radical changes to the theme structure, so you'll have to get someone else to do that. ;)

[06:44:40]

dFG:

juski: dont be:)

[06:45:06]

Tanthrix:

I just want mythcenter-wide to not look so damn pixellated, especially when the text is so crisp right next to it

[06:45:20]

Tanthrix:

Speaking of which, do you know who made mythcenter-wide?

[06:45:27]

juski:

I just want mythcenter-wide to go away. muhahahahahaha. muhaahahahahaha!

[06:45:31]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[06:45:51]

juski:

there's a comemnt in one of the xml files

[06:46:08]

juski:

I reworked that theme to come up with project gheyhem-wide

[06:47:19]

juski:

dFG: I think you need mythtv to 'use internal volume controls' & use a software mixing audio device. from what you've said so far though I think that'll be beyond your abilities

[06:47:55]

Tanthrix:

Jeroen Brosens whoever that is

[06:47:59]

Tanthrix:

Has an e-mail address though

[06:48:20]

juski:

Tanthrix: there's nothing complicated in that theme. you could easily re-draw most of it

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juski:

Tanthrix: got his homepage: http://mythtv.fotoniq.nl/

[06:52:51]

juski:

fuck it. I'm gonna put a paypal donate button on my homepage too

[06:53:38]

Tanthrix:

juski: Site is down for me. Must be a dns issue

[06:53:56]

Tanthrix:

juski: And you're right. I was taking a look at it the other day

[06:55:16]

juski:

just open the files in whatever drawing program, scale em up, then draw new layers on top.. etch-a-sketch-a-theme

[06:55:45]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[06:59:49]

Tanthrix:

I just resized the background in the theme directory of mythcenter, started up myth, and it worked perfectly

[07:00:59]

Tanthrix:

Though at the beginning (during theme resizing) and exit, the background is displayed much larger

[07:01:27]

Tanthrix:

Same for viewing recordings as well

[07:02:22]

dFG:

juski: yeap no idea how to do that

[07:05:13]

Tanthrix:

juski: Hehe, myth resized my 1920x1080 source bg image to 2880x1620, no wonder ;)

[07:06:56]

Dagmar:

Jeeeeesus

[07:07:31]

juski:

and now I have paypal buttons :)

[07:08:14]

juski:

not planning to get rich but hey if I pay for my hotel at LRL I'll be happy

[07:08:35]

juski:

I should invest & get some more case badgers made again

[07:09:02]

Tanthrix:

Blah, out of 1600GB I only have about 70 free across 7 drives

[07:09:48]

Tanthrix:

I want to wait as long as I can though without buying a new drive, since the longer I wait the bigger drive I can get

[07:10:00]

Tanthrix:

It's nice to know that space issues will always get easier to deal with

[07:10:15]

kormoc:

till you start storing hddvds?

[07:10:37]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:10:43]

Tanthrix:

Then it's all over, I suppose ;)

[07:12:04]

Tanthrix:

I do have about 100GB of HD stuff right now, including The Fellowship of the Ring in 1080i that weighs in at about 25GB

[07:12:32]

juski:

now that's what I call a waste of space (tm)

[07:12:41]

achew22:

does vlc have a gui in linux?

[07:12:58]

juski:

achew22: do you ask any questions that aren't dumb?

[07:13:09]

achew22:

on occasion

[07:13:15]

juski:

yes it does

[07:13:29]

Tanthrix:

juski: It's friggin beautiful. Then again, if you don't like LoTR it probably wouldn't be as profound to you

[07:14:14]

achew22:

juski, vlc in gentoo does not have a gui unless you set it in a use flag

[07:14:16]

achew22:

thanks though

[07:14:34]

juski:

achew22: lol. another reason to not use gentoo then :)

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achew22:

well I made an asumption that was poor, but I do appreciate your quick retort

[07:15:57]

juski:

sorry I forgot you have to configure the ass out of everything in gentoo :)

[07:16:09]

Tanthrix:

achew22: juski is world renowned for his patience, love, and understanding

[07:16:39]

achew22:

its alright — I run gentoo by choice because I was so sick of not knowing what was happening with windows that I wanted my hands deep in there. I wanted them lubricating the gears with my blood

[07:16:54]

Sid`:

that's an interesting metaphor

[07:17:02]

Tanthrix:

Indeed.

[07:17:05]

juski:

I'm actually alright in real life. I mean as far as I know I've never thumped anybody at a linux expo yet

[07:17:26]

Tanthrix:

That's the reason why I'm going to try and install arch linux when I eventually get my new myth box built

[07:17:27]

kormoc:

achew22 is just too into s&m for my tastes...

[07:17:34]

achew22:

lol

[07:17:36]

Tanthrix:

Mandrake has been bugging the hell out of me lately

[07:17:58]

achew22:

juski, I really understand. Your not here to answer questions that aren't in your topic of interest but sometimes silence is a better response

[07:18:08]

kormoc:

juski, you know, I have to say, your voice is not what I expected at all

[07:18:10]

juski:

I know gentoo has a rep for wanting its pound of flesh but jesus

[07:18:26]

kormoc:

you sound too polite to thump anyone

[07:18:32]

juski:

kormoc: heh. what _did_ you expect?

[07:18:52]

achew22:

juski, the audrey 2 wants way more than a pound

[07:19:00]

juski:

that's my 'radio' voice ;)

[07:19:06]

kormoc:

I have no idea, but I didn't expect someone that sounded so... European :P

[07:19:48]

achew22:

oh yes, #mythtv-users I did just make a Little Shop of Horrors reference

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** juski thinks "ah that's what that was" **

[07:21:27]

Tanthrix:

Bleh, everyone is sick at work and now I have a faint feeling of sore throat coming on

[07:21:35]

** Tanthrix drinks some battery acid to fix it **

[07:22:18]

Solv:

i noticed when playing myth recorded mpegs in player, there is no audio...is that because the audio is in a seperate file...or mplayer just doesn't have the coedc?

[07:22:27]

Solv:

coedc even

[07:22:30]

Solv:

damn

[07:22:32]

** juski considers confirming the mythtv appearance at LRL **

[07:22:39]

Solv:

i suck tonight

[07:22:42]

juski:

Solv: ubuntu?

[07:22:58]

achew22:

juski, do you get paid to go to those? do they pay room or anything?

[07:23:08]

juski:

achew22: hell no

[07:23:30]

Solv:

juski, nah, my friend has loaned me a 250 gig drive to record him mythbusters, and he has a windows pc...just trying to figure out the best way for him to watch them

[07:23:41]

juski:

Solv: VLC

[07:23:50]

Tanthrix:

http://blog.digg.com/?p=74?

[07:24:15]

Solv:

juski, sweet...also, if he wanted to put the drive back in his pc, i'd have to format it as ntfs or fat32 hey....is ntfs okay to write to?

[07:24:21]

directhex|work:

Arch Linux: Because Gentoo Isn't Cool Anymore(tm)

[07:24:29]

Sid`:

gentoo was never cool

[07:24:38]

Solv:

oi

[07:24:43]

Solv:

gentoo is

[07:24:52]

directhex|work:

Solv, ntfs writing is fine on a modern system

[07:24:56]

achew22:

Solv, make sure you get a GUI

[07:24:57]

directhex|work:

Solv, you need FUSE and ntfs-3g

[07:25:02]

Sid`:

ntfs3g, and fuse

[07:25:04]

Sid`:

snap

[07:25:07]

Solv:

bah....too much hassle...i

[07:25:20]

Tanthrix:

There's something to be said for doing everything yourself (ala Arch Linux) though I'd say compiling everything from scratch is a complete waste of time for most things

[07:25:21]

Solv:

'i'll just burn em on a rewritable dvd

[07:25:37]

achew22:

come on go LFS or go home

[07:25:42]

directhex|work:

Tanthrix, but you can potentially get a 0.05% speed increase in your text editor!

[07:25:46]

juski:

ugh. I might just have to digg myself a story about doing LRL

[07:25:48]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:26:15]

juski:

what's it called when you don't agree with its principles but you use it anyway?

[07:26:25]

achew22:

juski, Microsoft?

[07:26:26]

directhex|work:

pragmatism?

[07:26:35]

juski:

oh yeah.. hypocrisy

[07:26:51]

Tanthrix:

juski: What do you run, I forget

[07:27:07]

juski:

just had a massive dump, I should blog about it

[07:27:34]

Solv:

juski, you mena bog about it

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directhex|work:

if you say "open source is the one true way" and run windows, you're a hypocrite. if you say "open source is the one true way, but i really like working 3d", you're pragmatic

[07:28:15]

directhex|work:

and the above isn't just to make myself feel better, honest!

[07:29:26]

achew22:

directhex, do you truly beleive that?

[07:29:35]

achew22:

"one true way" part?

[07:30:03]

kormoc:

achew22, you really should read the history of the GPL sometime

[07:30:22]

achew22:

kormoc, you should see my "to-read" list — that will go after the koran

[07:30:31]

** mIRCat doesn't know if he can live with being a hypocrite **

[07:30:55]

achew22:

kormoc, how do you do credit card transactions then though?

[07:31:03]

Tanthrix:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPv . . . sses_in_URLs <--Now that's just clever!

[07:31:05]

directhex|work:

achew22, when you spend enough time dealing with proprietary software headaches in a work environment, you learn to love the simplicity of free software

[07:31:10]

juski:

open source is the one true way. shalami dakdak jihad! dirka dirka jihad!

[07:31:20]

gardengnome:

juski: ack.

[07:31:23]

kormoc:

achew22, huh?

[07:31:26]

achew22:

directhex|work, I switched to linux on all our servers

[07:32:23]

juski:

gardengnome: thinly veiled 'Team America' reference ;)

[07:32:41]

kormoc:

achew22, huh?

[07:33:03]

kormoc:

achew22, there is a *huge* mass market for credit card billing

[07:33:08]

gardengnome:

open source doesn't necessarily involve volunteers

[07:33:24]

achew22:

yeah, but to get the "authorization" or whatever visa calls it you need a huge bank roll

[07:33:36]

kormoc:

achew22, and there's projects like ECHO that already do free, GPL credit card processing

[07:33:37]

directhex|work:

if there's one thing i've learnt, it's that "Enterprise Ready" means "bad java-based installer that somehow only works on redhat"

[07:33:40]

directhex|work:

that and flexlm

[07:33:55]

juski:

okay. might as well make it official. I _will_ definitely be attending LugRadioLive 2007 with mythtv :)

[07:33:58]

Dagmar:

achew22: I suggest you refrain from speculating about the mechanisms for credit processing

[07:34:14]

gardengnome:

juski: nice

[07:34:21]

achew22:

Dagmar, if you have any gpl ones then I'm all ears my boss informed me I would be writing one monday morning

[07:34:22]

** kormoc gives juski a hand **

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Tanthrix:

Yah well, closed source software doesn't make my lunch for me, so muwa!

[07:34:53]

kormoc:

etc

[07:35:00]

** gardengnome beers everyone **

[07:35:00]

kormoc:

there's been tons out there for years

[07:35:05]

Dagmar:

yep

[07:35:18]

achew22:

Dagmar, google credit card transactions and see how many thousand pages you go through before you find one thats not google or pfpro or authorize.net or something

[07:35:23]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Does that first link work for you? It's not for me, and that's the second site tonight that's worked for other people but not me. I'm thinking I have dns issues over here..

[07:35:38]

gardengnome:

the first link works for me

[07:35:39]

Dagmar:

achew22: *Ahem* I will repeat myself just this once... Learn to use Google.

[07:35:41]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, aye, it works for me

[07:35:52]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, try switching to the name server 4.2.2.1 ?

[07:36:11]

** juski makes a note to never say 'never again' again ;) **

[07:36:18]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: echo-inc.com resolves to Address: 12.35.204.162 here

[07:37:14]

Tanthrix:

Yep, switching to 4.2.2.1 did the trick

[07:37:22]

directhex|work:

today we get a bigger computer than most people have ever seen, and one of the main attractions for us is it runs a nice Free operating system

[07:37:29]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: Thanks for grabbing that for me, much appreciated

[07:37:36]

** Tanthrix throws a brick at Comcast **

[07:38:20]

directhex|work:

we're not fussed about the ~£20k a year we spend on software licenses – it's the fact that the software is either just plain bad, or a PITA to get working due to licensing idiocies

[07:38:50]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Who owns 4.2.2.1 again, I forget

[07:38:56]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, verizon

[07:39:12]

Tanthrix:

Is it pretty damned reliable? Should I just use it as my dns server from now on?

[07:39:27]

kormoc:

it's what I used when I had comcast, never had any issues with it

[07:39:42]

kormoc:

and it's my primary one again now that I'm with verizon again

[07:41:12]

kormoc:

welp, I'm hitting the hay, night folks

[07:41:26]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: G'night

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directhex|work:

slacker!

[07:42:35]

gardengnome:

yeah

[07:42:37]

gardengnome:

i just got up

[07:42:38]

gardengnome:

;)

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directhex|work:

i feel like hell, and got up 2 hours ago

[07:44:10]

gardengnome:

been drinking on first of may?

[07:45:39]

directhex|work:

no, dying of the dreaded lurgie or black death or something similar

[07:45:48]

directhex|work:

but i need to be in today for the altix delivery

[07:46:06]

gardengnome:

take some aspirine :)

[07:47:29]

juski:

jees my webshite has had 2 updates already today :)

[07:47:42]

Tanthrix:

Impressive!

[07:48:31]

juski:

spose I'd better start printing mythtv flyers for the show – at work – on the sly – of course ;)

[07:49:05]

xris:

juski: yes. we didn't do that, and regretted it.

[07:49:08]

xris:

the flyers, that is.

[07:49:10]

xris:

not the being sly

[07:50:13]

Tanthrix:

I'm off to bed, later folks

[07:54:58]

juski:

xris: yeah last time we didn't do that either. oh boy

[07:55:12]

xris:

juski: yeah, we won't make that mistake again

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juski:

we had to go buy a mutliway mains adapter last time too, cos somebody forgot

[07:55:52]

directhex|work:

someone always forgets

[07:56:23]

directhex|work:

the golden rule is "*something* will balls up. be prepared"

[07:56:27]

juski:

gonna have to get some quotes for an A0 print

[07:57:03]

xris:

heh

[07:57:16]

xris:

links to: website, mailing list, irc, forum

[07:57:26]

juski:

no links to irc

[07:57:29]

juski:

:-P

[07:57:39]

xris:

description of what mythtv does, along with a brief overview of open source/gpl

[07:57:45]

juski:

oh and a new video :)

[07:57:48]

xris:

there should be a URI for irc. heh

[07:57:51]

xris:

yes, the new video is great

[07:57:58]

xris:

or is there a NEW one?

[07:58:00]

Solv:

is there any reason not to make my seperate storage drive just one xfs partition? just using it for myth recordings

[07:58:06]

juski:

xris: might make a new new one

[07:58:19]

xris:

Solv: no reason.

[07:58:34]

xris:

could split it up and do storage groups (svn) if you wanted, though.

[07:58:43]

Solv:

xris, sweet...thanks....will be interested to see how iot performs over my other ext3 partition

[07:58:44]

juski:

prolly gonna be demoing on stage during the hour of power again, which'll be nice

[07:58:46]

xris:

ok, I need to sleep now before I fall over at the kb.

[07:58:55]

juski:

heh. go fer it

[07:59:03]

xris:

Solv: I used to use xfs. it doesn't really make a difference now that the backend has async deletes.

[07:59:12]

hads:

storage groups are cool

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xris:

'night.

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directhex|work:

i use JFS

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Solv:

never heard of em

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Solv:

directhex|work, reasons?

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juski:

btw xris – no plans to change the logo anytime soon? just before I print everything up...

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hads:

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directhex|work:

mostly because i couldn't be bothered waiting for the ubuntu installer to format 1600 GIB as ext3

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juski:

oops

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hads:

I just upgraded the hardware for my main myth box and took the chance to use storage groups. Groovy.

[08:01:38]

juski:

are storage groups dynamic? i.e. if a dir doesn't exist it'll fall back to another place?

[08:02:04]

hads:

I couldn't tell you that, haven't read the code.

[08:02:16]

juski:

I'

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juski:

I'll play with my dev box this weekend & find out for myself

[08:02:41]

hads:

Great feature though.

[08:04:21]

directhex|work:

hm, are there any usb dvb-t tuners that don't suck?

[08:07:11]

juski:

directhex|work: by the look of most of em.. I doubt it

[08:07:44]

juski:

hey it's USB.. if it crashes you'll be able to just unplug it & plug back in again – no worries!

[08:09:19]

juski:

oh – wait. what do you mean you'd like to use it to make unattended recordings... bugger

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directhex|work:

i was more working on the basis that i'm rapidly running out of space for tuners

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Solv:

hmm...fstab doesn't know 'xfs' as a filesystem...any ideas?>

[08:10:18]

directhex|work:

if there's a dual-dvb-t pci tuner, that'd be good too. or pcie

[08:10:30]

directhex|work:

Solv, compile a kernel with xfs support?

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juski:

directhex|work: no pcie tuner support in linux yet

[08:11:07]

Solv:

directhex|work, ahah...yeah i think i probably left it out for reasons of bloat...never expected to use it...nicely pointed out

[08:11:17]

directhex|work:

gentoo wins again!

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Solv:

looks like it's back to ext3

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directhex|work:

juski, i know :/

[08:11:41]

juski:

you missed out a filesystem type to save a few KiB?

[08:11:44]

directhex|work:

juski, i might be interested in a dual-tuner pci card though.

[08:11:52]

directhex|work:

juski, that's the power of compiling manually!

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hads:

I think I'm stuck with DVB-S SD I don't think we'll have DVB-T reception where I am.

[08:12:12]

doc__:

hi there

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directhex|work:

juski, remember, just because kernel modules add no speed penalty, doesn't mean they're not evil and should be eliminated!

[08:14:50]

Solv:

hold on...it's going again..phew

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voltagex:

how do I rebuild my seektable?

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hads:

There's a script called optimize_mythdb.pl in the contrib directory of the mythtv source.

[09:21:26]

voltagex:

can I just grab that from the trac browser?

[09:21:48]

hads:

Yeah, that should work. Sorry, I was going to mention that, got sidetracked.

[09:22:13]

voltagex:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . ze_mythdb.pl

[09:22:24]

voltagex:

oops, you're not wget!

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mIRCat:

Or are we?

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hads:

heh

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voltagex:

ok, it printed a whole lot of Repaired/Optimized: lines

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gardengnome:

i'd expect it to break since that URL contains additional HTML code ;)

[09:25:44]

voltagex:

o.O

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voltagex:

did I do something wrong?

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hads:

No, that's normal

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voltagex:

ok

[09:26:22]

voltagex:

what do you guys think of MythStreamTV?

[09:26:34]

voltagex:

I'd like to watch TV on the one Windows box I still have

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gardengnome:

livetv won't work with mythstreamtv AFAIK

[09:28:42]

voltagex:

:(

[09:28:51]

voltagex:

well looks like I'll have to put my hacker's hat on

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voltagex:

and hack RTSP streaming in there somehow

[09:29:02]

Sid`:

there is a mythfrontend for windows, i think, but it's not very good

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voltagex:

Mythfrontend on Win doesn't work with Mythbackend >0.19

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hugolp:

voltagex: you can also get rid of windows and live happy ever.

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hugolp:

XD

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voltagex:

hugolp: but the parents would freak out

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gardengnome:

voltagex: there are a lot of windows frontends out there.

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Sid`:

oh, its that kind of 'not very good'

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voltagex:

gardengnome: tapeworm is junk and the author begs for donations to a charity

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voltagex:

hrrm mythfrontend wouldn't compile under cygwin would it?

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Sid`:

shit no

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Sid`:

well, it might, if you installed ALL the various deps

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Sid`:

and ran an local X server

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Sid`:

but i'm sure there'd be some dependency or other that wouldn't run on cygwin

[09:39:29]

Sid`:

certainly none of the backend hardware-dependent stuff would work

[09:39:40]

Sid`:

cos there's no v4l/linux dvb stuff in cygwin

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gardengnome:

there are some threads on the ML regarding mythfrontend on windows

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Sid`:

it wouldn't be hard to write something that spoke enough of the myth protocol and fed the video to something like vlc over a pipe

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voltagex:

Sid`: just made a mailing list post about that kind of thing

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Sid`:

ah

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voltagex:

if it was going to be done, a hack would be ugly

[09:45:34]

voltagex:

RTSP would be niiiiice

[09:46:00]

voltagex:

because then VLC, MPlayer, Xine etc could play it

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Sid`:

yea

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voltagex:

even Windows Media Player to some extent

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voltagex:

lol

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voltagex:

In about the year 2020 lol

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Sid`:

you could hang other master backends off it if you wanted to

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Sid`:

although there'd be no practical point to do that

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voltagex:

Sid`: it'd be good if my router didn't filter multicast :/

[09:46:53]

Sid`:

i would assume your backend and your windows box were on the same subnet

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voltagex:

yuv2rgb.c:596: error: 'yuv420_rgb15_MMX' undeclared (first use in this function)

[09:46:59]

voltagex:

make[1]: *** [yuv2rgb.o] Error 1

[09:46:59]

voltagex:

make: *** [libswscale/libswscale.a] Error 2

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Sid`:

or have you got some fucky, convoluted home network setup?

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voltagex:

oops, wrong channel

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voltagex:

sorry

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Sid`:

actually, come to think of it, mythbackend speaks UPnP to some extent

[09:48:07]

Sid`:

but i think that's limited to stuff you've recorded

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voltagex:

I hate UPnP

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Sid`:

i've never bothered trying it

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voltagex:

no, Netcomm (Broadcom) router

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voltagex:

same subnet

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Sid`:

if it was on the same subnet, multicast would work fine

[09:48:35]

Sid`:

unless your switch is broken

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Tronic:

Is it normal to have several second delays in every operation in Mythfrontend?

[09:48:55]

Sid`:

some badly implemented cheap switches have really bad IGMP snooping implementations

[09:49:22]

Sid`:

Tronic: are you using the GL painter on a system without hardware GL?

[09:49:23]

Sid`:

that'll do it

[09:50:01]

Tronic:

I have hardware GL. The menu works almost realtime once it has loaded, but moving from menu to another is slow.

[09:50:21]

Sid`:

weirdness

[09:50:30]

Tronic:

Things like hitting esc in main menu => takes a while until it asks if I am sure, and if I answer no, it takes several seconds until I get back to the menu.

[09:50:35]

qu0zl:

voltagex, have you tried VLC via uPNP? They both speak uPNP. I haven't tried it myself but that should work I think.

[09:50:54]

voltagex:

qu0zl: ? uPnP is just a device discovery protocol isn't it?

[09:51:18]

Tronic:

Entering the media library is slow, getting the option menus for specific shows, etc... These little delays are everywhere.

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Tronic:

I'm running on a Core2 Duo 2.8 GHz with 2 gigs of DDR2 1066 MHz RAM, so the hardware shouldn't be a problem. The server is Athlon64 3700+, connected over a gigabit link.

[09:52:46]

qu0zl:

sort of voltagex , but it can be used to detect devices that provide video or audio. There must be a media section to the uPNP standard, or an accompaning standard.

[09:52:53]

Tronic:

voltagex: It can also be used for controlling port forwarding on NAT.

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Tronic:

voltagex: Unfortunately no-one really seems to know what exactly UPnP is.

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voltagex:

Tronic: I use it to port forward to some extent, but not much else

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Tronic:

And even less what things it can do.

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qu0zl:

if you want to play mythtv stuff via vlc, then try it out voltagex

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voltagex:

qu0zl: what do I have to do to enable UPNP

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voltagex:

in Myth

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qu0zl:

it's a compile time option for the backend I think. I've not used it myself, the wiki should have details

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Tronic:

Apparently Wikipedia now has a fairly good article about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play

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Sid`:

it's an adjunct standard i think

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qu0zl:

voltagex, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/UPnP

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Sid`:

UPnP itself just tells you what's where

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Sid`:

and some other protocol (no idea what) is used to build a media path

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voltagex:

Sid`: exactly, that's why I'm a bit confused

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Sid`:

whatever it is, its gotta be implemented by anything that tries to do video over UPnP

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Sid`:

ergo, it allw orks

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Sid`:

i read some stuff a while back about hacking a UPnP video source to stream to an Xbox

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Sid`:

it looks complex :/

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voltagex:

well there's no UPNP broadcast from MythTV

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qu0zl:

voltagex, read the page i linked.

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juski:

xbox 1 works with svn apparently

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voltagex:

MythTV version 0.20 has a built-in UPnP-server

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voltagex:

that is all

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voltagex:

kthxbye.

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voltagex:

so, it doesn't tell me whether to recompile or just re-run myth-setup

[10:02:15]

jarle:

If I need a DVB-S tuner that can also scramble, should I get a card with CI (and buy a CAM), or would it be just as good to buy an external card reader?

[10:03:04]

gardengnome:

"external card readers" are not supported in here.

[10:03:45]

jarle:

The Hauppauge WinTV HVR 4000 seems like a good tuner (TV-antenne, DVB-S2, DVB-S, DVB-T), but I can't seem to figure out if it is supported in Linux...

[10:03:58]

untitled:

does someone use EIT with mythtv?

[10:04:06]

gardengnome:

untitled: yes

[10:04:15]

untitled:

gardengnome: how? :)

[10:04:16]

gardengnome:

jarle: www.linuxtv.org

[10:04:30]

gardengnome:

untitled: i never said that i was using it :)

[10:04:50]

jarle:

gardengnome: not many tuners to choose from if you need to decode channels then (ony very few tuners seem to have CI)

[10:05:03]

gardengnome:

jarle: www.linuxtv.org

[10:05:21]

untitled:

well..who does? how can i use it, now i can't get even simple channel guide..

[10:05:43]

jarle:

gardengnome: I'm already there, I was just hoping to actually find anybody USING some of the cards in this cannel..

[10:06:07]

voltagex:

if I'm sshed into my box, can I change the XMLTV settings to my TV guide actually works?

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purserj:

okay I'm aware that there aren't any "official" vodcatchers for Mythtv, but does anyone have an opinion on an unofficial one that works?

[10:07:51]

voltagex:

purserj: just use an RSS client then write a script so MythTV can see the files?

[10:08:30]

Sid`:

purserj: i don't think it'd be too hard to get torrentocracy to work

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Sid`:

with 0.20

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purserj:

Sid`: does RSS based vodcasts?

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voltagex:

just because my question got buried

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voltagex:

if I'm sshed into my box, can I change the XMLTV settings to my TV guide actually works?

[10:09:16]

Sid`:

purserj: allegedly

[10:09:23]

purserj:

Sid`: thanks I'm having a look at it

[10:09:46]

Sid`:

purserj: you will need to do some hacking, it relies on a coupla header files that disappeared in 0.18 or 0.19 i think

[10:10:38]

purserj:

hmm, I was going to test it on my ubuntu frontend first to avoid potentially scragging the back end

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juski:

jarle: only CI modules that plug into DVB tuner cards. No RS232 or USB card readers allowed!

[10:17:12]

voltagex:

haha RS232

[10:18:27]

jarle:

juski: not easy deciding which tuner to go for, as many of the tuners seems to not have CI. and linux.tv org gives very little info on the cards they mention... some real life experinces would be really welcome!

[10:19:37]

voltagex:

ah, you want DVB-S

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jarle:

voltagex: yes..

[10:19:50]

voltagex:

omg, I was actually about to recommend an AverTV card lol

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voltagex:

I must be mad

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voltagex:

just got my AverTV card going under Linux last week

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juski:

jarle: I'd be asking myself if there's any tv worth paying for.. and mostly there isn't ;)

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directhex|work:

jarle, technotrend budget 1500 series

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jarle:

juski: unfortunately most Norwegian channels you need a card to decode :(

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Ruleke:

lo folks

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** Dagmar wavves **

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Ruleke:

sounds dangerous

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Ruleke:

:)

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tzanger:

heh

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Ruleke:

I just got more depressed when reading nvidia forums wrt xvmc h264 support :P

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tzanger:

?

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tzanger:

got a link?

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Ruleke:

how great would it be to have full support for the 8600 nvidia gpu :/

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tzanger:

I forget what's on the Asus M2NPV-VM

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Ruleke:

6150 iirc

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Ruleke:

8600 and 8500 is the first one with full h264/vc1 decode in gpu

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tzanger:

6150 yes

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tzanger:

ahhh

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Ruleke:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2977

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Ruleke:

because all my channels are now switching to h264 instead of mpeg2

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tzanger:

With something like the 6150, is XvMC a decent help when converting h264->mpeg2 and spitting YUV out to the card?

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tzanger:

Ruleke: your *channels* are?

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tzanger:

which provider?

[12:38:58]

Ruleke:

In.di in belgium

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tzanger:

wow

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Ruleke:

hmm actually VC1 is still partially decoded by cpu in the 8500/8600 ...

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Ruleke:

though it's h264 I care about :)

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Ruleke:

I need some conclusive numbers to finally build a new frontend to do 1080i h264 playback with deinterlacing...

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tzanger:

:-)

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Ruleke:

I suppose just about the highest cpu available ? :(

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tzanger:

I haven't the TV for it, but a friend dows

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tzanger:

er does

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Ruleke:

well yes that's what I want to do

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tzanger:

wondering what kind of CPU load I'd hit with a 6150 GPU doing 1080p

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Ruleke:

mpeg2 ?

[12:42:37]

tzanger:

yeah

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Ruleke:

it should be ok, I looked at the same board before they switched to h264

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tank-man:

i got that asus board

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tzanger:

mpeg2 should be fine since the vid card can do the motion compensation in hardware

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tank-man:

i only have sdtv tho

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tzanger:

doing h264 though the CPU'd have to on-the-fly transcode h264->mpeg2 and shove that to the card to do MC

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tzanger:

tank-man: me too

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Ruleke:

what's the point in that ?

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Ruleke:

if the cpu decodes the h264, why not just display that ?

[12:45:13]

Ruleke:

unless you mean batch transcoding non-realtime

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tzanger:

see that's where my understanding falls down

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tzanger:

is h264->mpeg2 cheaper than h264->yuv? If not, then yeah that makes no sense

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Ruleke:

it shouldn't be :)

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Ruleke:

you just add an mpeg2 encode/decode step to play it

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Dagmar:

zOMG

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Dagmar:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823154007 <-- teh remote pron

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Dagmar:

Rechargeable wireless RF keyboard/mousenipple with IR controller

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Ruleke:

hmm NiMH batteries ?

[13:13:17]

Dagmar:

Yeah, some digging also reveals that the mousenipplething isn't all that hot either.

[13:13:22]

Dagmar:

Typical Belkin.

[13:13:32]

Dagmar:

Take a great idea, and find ways to fuck it up by being too cheap

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Ruleke:

:)

[13:13:44]

Dagmar:

it _looks_ slick at least

[13:14:12]

Dagmar:

I think I'm just gonna order one of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823110016 this morning instead of putting it off again (now that they're back in stock)

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sid3windr:

wtf is a mousenipple

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Dagmar:

Basically like a dpad

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Dagmar:

...although that thing has an exceptionally LARGE one

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Dagmar:

The other even less politically-correct term people use for 'em is a "clitmouse"

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tzanger:

heh

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tzanger:

I use the term "wiggle dick" and "touchpad" myself

[13:16:37]

Dagmar:

The fumblepad is a whole different animal

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Dagmar:

I hate them

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tzanger:

really?

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Dagmar:

I do wish I could find somewhere selling those IBM keyboards I've seen with the clitmouse for a decent price

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tzanger:

I've got both on my laptop, I use the touchpad almost exclusively

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tzanger:

the wiggledick is never used

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RaYmAn-Bx:

IBM and decent price really doesn't go together =P

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Ruleke:

I can't work em

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tzanger:

and then I have BT mouse for when I need to do a lot of omousing around

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Dagmar:

Yes, they're inaccurate as hell and I'm always accidentally pasting things by tapping them with my thumb by accident

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Ruleke:

and I'm sure it's because there onyl used to be the clit thing in the past

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Ruleke:

damn conditioning

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Dagmar:

On the other hand, when I'm using the mousenipple, I don't have to really move my hands at all to switch between typing and mousing.

[13:18:02]

Ruleke:

yeah

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Ruleke:

when possible I disable the touchpad

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Cougar:

same here. no touchpad and trackpoint only

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Cougar:

one main reason I still use thinkpad is trackpoint

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Ruleke:

HP here

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Dagmar:

Ack. Okay screw that 9116 keyboard. That was the one that previously people were complaining would drop keystrokes if you type faster than ~30wpm

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Cougar:

afaik ibm sells dedicated keyboards like this too but price is $100+ at least

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Dagmar:

Cougar: Yeah, that's why I stipulated "decent price"

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Dagmar:

I didn't pay nearly that much for my G15

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Cougar:

right

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Cougar:

and these are still wired

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RaYmAn-Bx:

G15 seems kindof annoying tbh

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RaYmAn-Bx:

too much useless stuff

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Ruleke:

the logitech dinovo thing just looks slick

[13:21:03]

Ruleke:

I guess it wouldn't be bad if you could do nearly all myth stuff with the numeric portion :)

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tzanger:

I find the wiggledick WAY too inaccurate

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tzanger:

I have to really use fine fine motor skills to move it

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tzanger:

constantly overshooting

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tzanger:

and if I tone down the acceleration then it's too hard to move to where I want to be

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Ruleke:

onyl use it when on the move myself

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Dagmar:

I use the volume wheel and buttons right under the LCD rather frequently actually

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Ruleke:

and most of the stuff I do is terminal based anyways :P

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Dagmar:

All those G-keys are a bit of overkill until you bind them to apps or something

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tzanger:

hehe

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tzanger:

I have only 5 non-kb buttons on this T60

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tzanger:

mute, vol down/up, useless thinkvantage and power

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Ruleke:

6 here, one is power the other wireless and volume :)

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Dagmar:

I use the display on the G-15 pretty much all the time on my desktop tho

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Ruleke:

1 more for an application :)

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Ruleke:

the external keyboard is bog standard 105key or whatchacallit

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Dagmar:

104key until Microsoft decided they were so important that they needed a key all to themselves

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Ruleke:

ah yes I have that penguin key ;)

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a5benwillis:

juski: Not sure if you're here but I wanted to say thanks again for the help. I finally have things working. Including MythWeb!!

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a5benwillis:

Now if I could just get the remote to work. LOL

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Dagmar:

I have a Domo key

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Dagmar:

Yes, as in the "RAWR" Domo who watches a lot of TV

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juski:

w00t. one hour to go til hometime

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goreguts:

grrr, firewire wont capture HD channels, works fine with the regular chans

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Dagmar:

They are only trying to protect their profits from the evil customers

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goreguts:

the thing is HD is free anyway

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Dagmar:

not if they have their way about it

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Ruleke:

hurrah for plain dvb-c with CAM

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goreguts:

AND the firewire card made my remote stop working

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goreguts:

dont know how, but the remote doesnt show up in /dev anymore

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Winand:

RecordFilesPrefix cannot be found by nuvexport, any way I can provide that in my database?

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Winand:

I don't know how to use mysql is the thing

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juski:

Winand: use the correct version of nuvexport for your version of mythtv

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juski:

recordedfileprefix was new for 0.20 IIRC

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Winand:

it's just it says this

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Winand:

This host not configured for myth.

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Winand:

(No RecordFilePrefix defined for deanbot-desktop in the settings table.)

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Dagmar:

This is why there's detailed setup instructions

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Winand:

maybe it can't find deanbot-desktop

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a5benwillis:

anyone have MythStreamTV working with SVN?

[15:00:14]

Winand:

yeah that was it... thanks guys

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directhex|work:

my computer is officially bigger than yours

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fryfrog:

why not just throw a "-1.0" on the tar?

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Merlin83b:

juski: It can, just use the revision number.

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juski:

funny that the day I add paypal donate buttons to my site, yet another distributor of my themes shows up

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fryfrog:

distributor?

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fryfrog:

how is it funny?

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juski:

well, rather than folks seeing where my themes come from, i.e. who to 'thank'....

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juski:

instead just come down in an anonymous ebuild

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fryfrog:

make sure it gets into the info

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fryfrog:

the ebuilds always have the website url and a description and author, i believe

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juski:

who reads that stuff though

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fryfrog:

(the author part, the other stuff i know)

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juski:

I never did, I know that ;)

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fryfrog:

i did, all the time

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fryfrog:

a search of emerge *shows* all that stuff

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juski:

yeah I bet you even read the emerge logs :-P

[16:20:53]

fryfrog:

i mean, if you know *exactly* what you want you'll not see it

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fryfrog:

but if you do like "esearch mythtv" the names and descriptions are shown

[16:21:22]

fryfrog:

i don't use gentoo anymore :(

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fryfrog:

and i really do miss seeing the descriptions and stuff

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Zider:

eix doesn't show it when searching tho

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fryfrog:

eix?

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fryfrog:

is that like esearch?

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Zider:

dunno, never heard of esearch

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Zider:

eix is like emerge -s but cached

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fryfrog:

is it something that speeds up ... yeah

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fryfrog:

thats what esearch is

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Zider:

emerge -s doesn't seem to show author..

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Zider:

I guess there's no specific field for that? :P

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juski:

sod it. I don't have the right kind of paypal account to accept donations anyway apparently

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i was unsure on the author part :)

[16:35:41]

juski:

anyway I'm thinking why even bother having ebuilds / packages of my themes? as if it's SO hard to download & unpack a tarball

[16:36:29]

uzerr:

can anyone drop a few hints about lircd pvr-150 remote skipping keypresses

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juski:

uzerr: yeah. if you want it to skip some keypresses, set it up the way you have

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uzerr:

nope don't want it to skip ... actually even just reading it straight with irw, holding down button will hick up after a few presse

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uzerr:

also indeterministic, def not what I want

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juski:

holding any IR remote button down will cause funny things to happen

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juski:

they never act like a keyboard

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uzerr:

hmm, mebbe its just foggy memory but I had better experience with serial based IR (lirc), tho would like to use the i2c one that comes with the card .. so is there any way to smooth it out

[16:39:46]

uzerr:

annoying when u press a button and it doesn't do anything, and u gotta press again, etc

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juski:

you could try adjusting your config files.. lircrc for one

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uzerr:

well, the problem appears to be at much lower level

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juski:

though if irw isn't registering a button press as it should, that isn't going to help

[16:41:32]

uzerr:

yep, exactly

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juski:

keep the receiver out of sunlight and away from fluorescent light sources

[16:42:08]

juski:

make sure the batteries in the remote are fresh.. yada yada

[16:43:22]

goreguts:

is there a way to change what irq something is using, and is thre a way to see if there are any free irqs?

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uzerr:

heh, thx

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Dagmar:

goreguts: Generally no, and aside from `cat /proc/interrupts and knowing what you're doing` no

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Dagmar:

What is your *actual* problem?

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TheOuch:

How do you enable real-time commercial flagging? Mine runs as a job after the recording ends.

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goreguts:

i installed a firewire card, and my remote stopped working, but the pvr-150 still works, i cant think of any other reason for that

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uzerr:

juski, so when u hold down any button on ur remote and irw prints, is it continous or does it just stop and u have to press again?

[16:44:39]

Dagmar:

TehOuch: You don't. It can't/won't work.

[16:44:59]

TheOuch:

I thought one of the .20 release benefits were real-time flagging.

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Dagmar:

goreguts: It's _what_ kind of IR reciever?

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Dagmar:

TheOuch: Where'd you get that idea

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goreguts:

Dagmar: its the one on the pvr-150

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uzerr:

just trying to get a feel if this is a known issue, could be something here (most likely)

[16:45:47]

TheOuch:

Dagmar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20

[16:46:04]

TheOuch:

Dagmar: Or is my definition of real-time different from mythtv's?

[16:46:43]

tzanger:

TheOuch: and probably differs from mine too

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juski:

uzerr: tends to just repeat & carry on repeating

[16:47:34]

juski:

uzerr: maybe your remote stops sending after a while

[16:47:54]

juski:

might be a battery-saving feature

[16:48:00]

uzerr:

yep, what I'm looking for ... oh well, prolly driver issue

[16:48:00]

uzerr:

could be remote I suppouse

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juski:

uzerr: if you have a digital camera you can check. cameras can 'see' the IR :)

[16:48:21]

uzerr:

hehe, true

[16:48:33]

uzerr:

gotta mod the lense tho

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juski:

nah

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juski:

not to see the IR LED light up

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juski:

some IR still gets thru an IR filter

[16:49:05]

Dagmar:

TheOuch: Yes, well, of course everything everyone mentions on a mailing list just HAS to be true

[16:49:14]

uzerr:

interesting, mebbe will have to resort to it

[16:49:49]

TheOuch:

Dagmar: Perhaps you should have read a bit more before un-holstering the sarcasm too?

[16:49:53]

Dagmar:

TheOuch: NOte that Mr. James also said he's watching programs five minutes behind...

[16:49:55]

TheOuch:

:)

[16:50:08]

uzerr:

there was a note from Hans Verkuil a while bk on an annocement, mentioning remote keypress issues and PIO, but I couldn't figure out the original messages regarding it..there wasno explanation beyond " problems with remote keypresses"

[16:50:13]

Dagmar:

TheOuch: Perhaps if you knew your ass from a hole in the ground you would know there is *no way* to detect commercials entierly in realtime.

[16:50:14]

TheOuch:

5 minutes or 15 minutes is still MUCH better than after the recording ends

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juski:

ignore TheOuch

[16:50:41]

TheOuch:

Dagmar: Wow . . bored today?

[16:50:50]

Dagmar:

It won't even _begin_ to think about whether or not a stretch of video was a commercial until it gets to what would be the _end_ of the commercial or commercial break.

[16:51:04]

Dagmar:

TheOuch: No, just not interested in taking crap from noobs today

[16:51:05]

TheOuch:

What did I do? I asked a question . . got a now . . found relevant posts . then answered my own question with an actual answer

[16:51:16]

TheOuch:

You never answered . . you said impossible.

[16:51:23]

Dagmar:

Which is true.

[16:51:29]

TheOuch:

the answer was: tart Auto-Commercial Flagging jobs when the recording starts

[16:51:29]

TheOuch:

If set and Auto Commercial Flagging is ON for a recording, the flagging

[16:51:29]

TheOuch:

job will be started as soon as the recording starts. NOT recommended on

[16:51:29]

TheOuch:

underpowered systems.

[16:51:31]

Dagmar:

Realtime commflagging is impossible.

[16:51:58]

TheOuch:

noob or not, you were much less than helpful.

[16:52:20]

Dagmar:

Whatever

[16:52:35]

Dagmar:

Cry to your mommy.

[16:52:39]

juski:

just because you start commflagging as soon as you start recordings – doesn't mean that your machine will be able to keep up!

[16:52:51]

Dagmar:

You asked about something that I told you was not possible, and you got snippy about it because you didn't like the answer

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TheOuch:

juski: any idea how bad the performance will be?

[16:53:08]

juski:

TheOuch: try it for yourself damnit

[16:53:14]

TheOuch:

Dagmar: I asked how to enable a listed feature for the .20 release

[16:53:23]

Dagmar:

TehOuch: Listed where

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TheOuch:

Dagmar: The first link I sent you — the .20 release notes

[16:53:43]

Dagmar:

You *decided* a feature which does not actually exist, did indeed exist

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TheOuch:

Dagmar: Here's the clue — search for real-time — they're words, not mine.

[16:54:01]

Dagmar:

That's not a list. That's some guy running his mouth in an email about a different time to start the commflagger.

[16:54:12]

Dagmar:

...which is why you got the sarcasm.

[16:54:22]

TheOuch:

Dagmar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20

[16:54:25]

TheOuch:

My first link

[16:54:58]

TheOuch:

Guess the author of that page is better deserving of the sarcasm?

[16:54:59]

uzerr:

juski, I've got 0.10.1 on 2.6.21, lirc 0.8.2 (cvs)

[16:54:59]

uzerr:

can u tell me what u run so I can compare and see if its my setup

[16:55:26]

Dagmar:

TheOuch: He'd tell you the same thing I did.

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juski:

uzerr: I don't use a pvr150 remote

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Dagmar:

TheOuch: Search the page and tell me where it says "real time commercial flagging" on that page

[16:55:46]

Dagmar:

Or STFU

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TheOuch:

Dagmar: He'd tell me that it's impossible, or he'd answer my question, and tell me how to enable it?

[16:55:51]

uzerr:

well if u use lirc_i2c it may still be releveant

[16:56:10]

TheOuch:

Dagmar: Improved speed during near real-time commercial detection

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juski:

I have no idea what kernel I run, and also no idea what version number of lirc – though I _can_ tell you I use lirc_serial

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uzerr:

oh I see

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Dagmar:

TheOuch: NEAR real-time. There is a DIFFERENCE

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Dagmar:

Learn it, live it, and stop arguing with people you're asking for information from, damnit

[16:56:47]

TheOuch:

And, my original question: <TheOuch> How do you enable real-time commercial flagging? Mine runs as a job after the recording ends

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Dagmar:

TheOuch: Fuck off

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TheOuch:

So — we've spent 5 mins debating semantics?

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Dagmar:

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TheOuch:

rofl

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Dagmar:

Damn noobs deliberately wasting people's time

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uzerr:

jusky, thnx anyways ..

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Dagmar:

OKay, about hte IR thing on the PVR-150, I'd look at the dmesg/syslog output when the module is loading and see if it's saying anything weird about i2c

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Dagmar:

If yer lucky you've got syslog info from BEFORE you installed the firewire card and you'll be able to see a difference in what it was saying then

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goreguts:

alright Dagmar, thanks

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Dagmar:

Anyway, if you cat /proc/interrupts you should be able to see that they're not on the same interrupt. Not many motherboards are still so stupid as to do that with PCI cards

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goreguts:

hm ok

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goreguts:

i just looked at lspci and they both said irq 5

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Dagmar:

...and what does cat /proc/interrupts say about them?

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goreguts:

5: 234052 IO-APIC-fasteoi ohci_hcd:usb2, ivtv0, ohci1394

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Dagmar:

Freakish. Did you happen to do anything in your BIOS pertaining to IRQs and the PCI slots?

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goreguts:

nope

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Dagmar:

If you did, go back in there and set all the IRQ selection to Auto.

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goreguts:

ohci1394 is actually in 2 places, but i'm assuming thats because i have onboard firewire too

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goreguts:

alright, gotta wait till i get home to check the bios

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goreguts:

which, i guess is a good design if you're going to be plugging/unplugging firewire all the time

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Dagmar:

It's kinda unusual for a motherboard to stick USB controller and PCI cards on the same IRQ

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goreguts:

maybe asus went crazy

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tzanger:

Dagmar: try makeing sure your ACPI IRQ routing is turned on, and if it is on, try turning it off

[17:16:05]

Dagmar:

Oh, Asus.

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Dagmar:

Pfft. Look for a BIOS upgrade and maybe (if needed) go into the BIOS and *assign* free IRQs to each PCI slot

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goreguts:

heh ok

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goreguts:

what the heck, do i have to boot to DOS to flash the bios

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goreguts:

i dont even have a floppy drive

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goreguts:

anywhere in any of my computers

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fryfrog:

YOU RULE

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fryfrog:

i don't either

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fryfrog:

you can use a usb thumb drive or boot a cd

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goreguts:

seriously, floppy drives should be outlawed

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fryfrog:

i concur!@

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nuxil:

hi all

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nuxil:

i finaly managed to get mythtv installed on this crapy feisy.. however, i got a problem.. the tv is not showing as it should.. i get alot of "flikker| noice" on the screen.. anyone know why i get that..

[18:05:41]

nuxil:

when i test with mplayer with same freq the picture is crystal clear

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nuxil:

in mythtv i set it to use Pal.. as it should.

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nuxil:

http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screwdupvq0.jpg

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nuxil:

take a look and see what i mean

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nuxil:

anyone know how i can fix this ?

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tha_toadman:

i have a time sync question

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tha_toadman:

if i execute 'ntpd' at boot, the system will stay in sync 24–7 right?

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tha_toadman:

*running ubuntu alternate btw*

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Anduin:

tha_toadman: If it is setup right

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tha_toadman:

well it was already installed so i executed it about 3 hours ago – says its still working

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tha_toadman:

i was getting tired of executing the ol 'ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com' command *i believe it was*

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tha_toadman:

anduin: so can i add something to the init.d stuff at boot to execute it then? or do i need to configure it further?

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Anduin:

tha_toadman: I don't know your distro, but generally you need to enable it to start on boot, and check your ntp.conf (generally you get a minimally working ntp.conf)

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nuxil:

tha_toadman, if you installed it by apt. it should start up automaticly at boot

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tha_toadman:

i installed 'ntp-simple' but the clock last month...drifted about 2 minutes..?

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tha_toadman:

via apt-get, sorry

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Anduin:

tha_toadman: I'd check your logs

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nuxil:

Damn.. i cant figure out why i cant get a stable picturee when i watch tv

[18:24:15]

Anduin:

nuxil: How are you verifying it is the same frequency?

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nuxil:

cos i looked in mythtv-setup ans used that frequens with ivtv-tune and mplayer

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nuxil:

all channels are not good in mythtv.. but fine with mplayer

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Anduin:

nuxil: So if you are watching and use ivtv-tune the picture gets better?

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nuxil:

i use ivtv-tune to set a freq for on the device.. then i use mplayer to watch

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Anduin:

nuxil: Yeah, but you can do it while you are watching in myth as well

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nuxil:

i'll try that

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nuxil:

hmm... weird.. it stoped flikkering..

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nuxil:

until i changed channel

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Anduin:

Yeah, changing the channel will naturally overwrite it

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nuxil:

strange

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nuxil:

what can cause this..

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nuxil:

and how can i fix this

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Anduin:

Did you scan for channels?

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nuxil:

yes

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Beirdo:

sounds like it's setup wrong in mythtv-setup, with the wrong channel type (PAL vs NTSC, etc) and is tuning to the wrong freq

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Anduin:

There are fine tuning fields you can edit or you can edit the frequency directly, it really should work.

[18:32:38]

nuxil:

but i also got a list here with all the freq.. and i see they match

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nuxil:

Beirdo, my cablepprovidor uses pal.. and thats what i made mythtv-setup use.

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Beirdo:

is there more than one PAL listed?

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Beirdo:

if so, make sure you pick the appropriate one

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nuxil:

no i only saw i pal.

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nuxil:

going to check again,,

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nuxil:

ouch.. 8 pals

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Beirdo:

heh. Thought there was more than one

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directhex:

there's a grim satisfaction to be found when an imdb search for one of the missus' horror movies yields "Plot: none"

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nuxil:

ok.. going to test em all :p

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Beirdo:

restart the backend after changing that value, don't forget :)

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Beirdo:

someone else in PAL-land may be able to identify which one's the right one for your location

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Beirdo:

I'm in NTSC-land, so I'm not sure which is which

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nuxil:

im in norway.. i think we dont got a standar.

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nuxil:

depends on the cableprovidor

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Beirdo:

eek

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Beirdo:

OK, well, I guess experimentation's in order :)

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sid3windr:

I highly doubt there's multiple pal's in your country, nuxil :)

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a5benwillis:

Does anyone know if turning EDID on inxorg.conf could blowup a plasma tv??

[18:55:42]

a5benwillis:

UseEDID

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Tanthrix:

I doubt it very, very much

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juski:

VERY unlikely

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a5benwillis:

ok

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a5benwillis:

just a coincidence then

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juski:

you can't just 'blow up' a plasma TV with a dodgy modeline either

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a5benwillis:

I let thenvidia script auto config my xorg yesterday. When I got home my plasma was blown up. Just got home with a new one....

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juski:

so you just went out & bought a new plasma, just like that?!

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a5benwillis:

I didnt think it was thecause but wanted to be sure. Was scared to hook the cables back up until I was sure,

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Tanthrix:

(I think he meant returned..)

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a5benwillis:

No, I bought a new one...

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chairman:

has anyone made any script or something so that you could get stats over most viewed channel (I know there is for most recorded). I would have been fun on having something in cacti with a nice looking graph

[18:57:23]

goreguts:

heh

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a5benwillis:

Theonld one was out of warrantee..

[18:57:41]

a5benwillis:

got aSamsung this time.

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Tanthrix:

Oh, that sucks

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gardengnome:

chairman: beirdo has done lots of stuff with cacti

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a5benwillis:

<- has bad spacebar....

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Tanthrix:

Well, you should return it and get an LCD, and you'll probably be better off for it ;)

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a5benwillis:

ECK! No the picture's nowhere near as good on the LCD

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Beirdo:

gardengnome, never done that though :)

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a5benwillis:

juski: Just installed Blootube-wide. Very nice

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: They all look like junk to me. And there's no way I would buy a "HD" TV that doesn't even do 720P natively

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chairman:

hmm

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chairman:

Beirdo: have you made any cacti scripts for mythtv?

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a5benwillis:

Tanthrix: Which ones dont do 720P natively?

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juski:

I'm looking for donations to dj_jus@paypal.com , not praise :-P

[19:00:26]

Beirdo:

I made some to query the DB for count of recordings I think it was

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a5benwillis:

juski: Is that the right email addy?

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: About all of them. Most plasma's have really bad native resolutions like 1024x768

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a5benwillis:

Tanthrix: I cant argue there..

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** juski has got promotional materials to buy **

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: So, plasmas aren't even HD sets

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a5benwillis:

juski: Is that the right email addy?

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juski:

a5benwillis: not 100% sure

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juski:

I'm not pressuring anybody into donating.. bloody hell

[19:01:29]

a5benwillis:

juski: Iwas gonna donate./././.

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chairman:

I tought it was strange that no one has made that already but then I tought that people wouldn't have stats over how much the watch playboy channel

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chairman:

hehe

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xris:

a5benwillis: how far out of warranty?

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: So couple the fact that you're not getting a HD set, and the fact that plasma sets degrade in color over time, and have burn in issues (Supposedly fixed, but I don't particularely trust them) they're a dead technology to me

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a5benwillis:

6 mos

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xris:

a5benwillis: did you buy it with a credit card?

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xris:

(and still have the receipt)

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a5benwillis:

xris: Yes and Yes

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a5benwillis:

Circuit City

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xris:

a5benwillis: visa and mastercard will both double the mfg warranty up to an extra year.

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gardengnome:

"double the mfg warranty up to an extra year". does that mean you usually get less than one year mfg warranty?

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fryfrog:

my sister just got a 50" plasma who's native resolution is 720p

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fryfrog:

and it was only like 1600

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chairman:

is there anyway to watch youtube videos in mythtv? I saw that there was someone who had made some changes for mythnews...

[19:04:14]

xris:

gardengnome: no, it means that some manufacturers offer warranties longer than a year

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juski:

chairman: well done for answering your own FAQ

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xris:

so if you have a 2 year warranty, your credit card covers you for an extra year after that, for a total of 3

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: 52 inch!?! That is insanly low resolution for a TV so freaking huge. I've seen some of those in person, and they're awful compared to 52 inch 1080P sets

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gardengnome:

xris: ah, nice

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Tanthrix:

a5benwillis: xris is right, you should definately look into that

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a5benwillis:

Tanthrix: Worth a try, no doubt

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juski:

xris: in the UK the cover can technically extend to 6 years or more

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fryfrog:

i'd agree, i'd rather have a rear projection ~5x" with 1080p

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chairman:

juski: I didn't saw the updated plugin

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xris:

gardengnome: used it on my fridge.. well, was going to, until I realized that the "broken" motor was just encrusted in ice and needed to be defrosted

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juski:

chairman: doesn't alter the fact that you answered your own question :-P

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xris:

juski: warranty in the US can be however long you want.. but mc and visa only do a max of one year extension.

[19:06:20]

juski:

who the hell wants to watch crappy mpeg4 videos that look shit on a small screen, on a big screen anyway? ;)

[19:07:12]

juski:

gardengnome: hitting withdrawal symptoms good & proper now. I can't touch my perl stuff til I'm over this. this is bad

[19:07:32]

chairman:

juski: My TV isn't that big :( and it could be fun

[19:07:55]

gardengnome:

juski: it'll be over very soon. remember that your new life is gonna be awesome.

[19:07:56]

juski:

chairman: yeah it could be fun for somebody to submit their patches to make mythnews work with youtube videos

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juski:

gardengnome: my life is already awesome

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gardengnome:

juski: you haven't seen the light yet :)

[19:08:27]

juski:

you mean it's gonna get better?! wow

[19:09:05]

gardengnome:

juski: like.. no sudden asthma attacks once you see stair cases ;)

[19:09:13]

juski:

gonna have to do something with this room. it absolutely reeks.. never noticed before

[19:09:43]

gardengnome:

heh. good idea.

[19:09:55]

juski:

a5benwillis: I can't find out how to find out what my paypal id is

[19:09:58]

Beirdo:

juski, you quit the smokes?

[19:10:00]

Tanthrix:

juski: By the way, with regards to your 6 year warranty thing. In Europe you guys have this thing called "consumer protection" – we don't have that here...

[19:10:11]

gardengnome:

mind you, once your room smells like.. well, civilization again, you're even less likely to smoke in there again

[19:10:11]

juski:

Beirdo: yesterday

[19:10:32]

Beirdo:

congrats. :) I hope it sticks, your lungs will be much happier with you

[19:11:02]

a5benwillis:

juski: Log in to your account, click on email addresses

[19:11:06]

juski:

my bank account will be much happier. that's my primary motivation. I don't really wanna live to be a grumpy old bastard ;)

[19:11:16]

Tanthrix:

Too late.

[19:11:18]

Beirdo:

hehe, yes, that too

[19:11:25]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: was just gonna say that...

[19:11:32]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[19:11:44]

juski:

a5benwillis: justin dot hornsby at gmail dot com

[19:12:15]

juski:

disclaimer: donating money in no way obliges me to give you technical support for theme related issues. YMMV

[19:12:22]

juski:

:-P

[19:12:24]

a5benwillis:

LOL

[19:12:42]

juski:

your house may burn down if you set fire to it, etc

[19:12:47]

Tanthrix:

That's a nice way to thank someone donating to you

[19:13:03]

juski:

nah I'm usually pretty shit-hot with bug fixes

[19:13:15]

Beirdo:

it may inspire him to help though, but it shouldn't oblige him

[19:13:16]

juski:

changes because folks didn't like the font colour.. less so ;)

[19:13:27]

Tanthrix:

heh

[19:13:42]

juski:

goodwill works both ways :)

[19:14:05]

Tanthrix:

Beirdo: Of course, though when someone helps me I don't usually give them a list of all the things I'm not going to do for them (I will not mow your lawn, I will not make you lunch, et al..) :p

[19:14:06]

juski:

I'm more pissed at paypal for not allowing me to have working donation buttons without them getting more of a cut

[19:14:26]

Tanthrix:

They take more than for normal transactions?

[19:14:36]

juski:

I need an account upgrade

[19:14:54]

Tanthrix:

That's annoying.

[19:15:01]

a5benwillis:

juski: Payment sent, its not much but I hope it helps.

[19:15:13]

juski:

not much?! you kidding?

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juski:

you like it that much? jesus.

[19:15:45]

juski:

thankyou :)

[19:15:48]

a5benwillis:

What? was that to much!!??

[19:15:49]

gardengnome:

don't waste it on cigarettes :)

[19:15:53]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[19:15:58]

goreguts:

wow did he just send you a million dollars?

[19:16:02]

juski:

a5benwillis: I'd have said it was generous

[19:16:17]

a5benwillis:

you've helped me a lot over the past few days.

[19:16:32]

juski:

tell ya what when I get the next batch of case badges in you can have a couple of freebies

[19:17:04]

juski:

fucking hell man.. I need to go have a lie down, so humbled am I...

[19:35:16]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

hi – ive asked this the last couple of nights, but im hoping there are different people on tonight: does anybody know of a usb2 capture card (doesn't need a tuner, its for composite input) that works well with myth and is currently available for sale in the uk. the plextor convertx seems to be discontinued. i'd prefer a hardware encoding box, but im not too fussed, same with remote. I cant have pci because its a

[19:36:31]

gardengnome:

therE's a device made by hauppauge that might work. check the mailing lists. it's called "pvr2 usb" or something like that

[19:36:44]

a5benwillis:

Its not night??

[19:36:46]

a5benwillis:

:)

[19:36:59]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

it is in the uk

[19:37:03]

gardengnome:

a5benwillis: move to europe :)

[19:37:07]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

its 20:36

[19:37:26]

a5benwillis:

Im still at work... Wish it was night.

[19:37:27]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

gardengnome: i'l gander, thanks

[19:37:40]

achew22:

Aargh... why won't ups just deliver my hdtv tuner....

[19:37:45]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

man utd are 2–0 down. i wish it was still dinner time

[19:39:19]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

achew22: we dont get hdtv in the uk, other than a couple of sky (satalite) channels

[19:39:30]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

and theyre probably encrypted

[19:39:51]

achew22:

Super_Cat_Frog_, can you get QAM or anything over cable?

[19:40:24]

a5benwillis:

Time to get my remote working with Myth

[19:40:44]

a5benwillis:

Does anyone know of a good online guide to setting up different remotes with lirc?

[19:41:20]

achew22:

a5benwillis, what distro?

[19:41:30]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

achew22: ive got no idea – i just have the composite plugged in from the cable box. currently using tvtime on my current machine, but getting a new pci-express machine

[19:41:45]

a5benwillis:

Ununtu

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

a5benwillis: gentoo-wiki is usually very good, most stuff applies to any distro – there's probably something on there that can help you

[19:41:53]

a5benwillis:

s/ununtu/ubuntu

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achew22:

Super_Cat_Frog_, yummy! but I'm still mad at UPS

[19:42:46]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

achew22: yes, although it took a while for the price to hit me (£750, before the tv tuner), thats about $1500

[19:42:51]

achew22:

a5benwillis, I have a media center remote and I tried this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_Eft but didn't have much luck

[19:43:30]

a5benwillis:

achew22: I think I've tried that as well

[19:43:48]

a5benwillis:

I have a Twinhan remote, but it sucks, so I want to get a better remote to work.

[19:43:58]

achew22:

a5benwillis, if you get a tutorial to work will you tell me?

[19:44:07]

a5benwillis:

sure thing

[19:45:02]

a5benwillis:

which remote do you have?

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Cyberai:

I just got one of those remotes that's supposed to learn from your existing remotes. I haven't tried it yet. I'm hoping I can just point my Hauppage remote and my surround sound remote at it and be done.

[19:46:23]

achew22:

a5benwillis, mceusb2

[19:46:26]

Cyberai:

and maybe later monkeys will fly out of my $%^&

[19:46:51]

a5benwillis:

Cyberai: I have a Phillips Pronot remote. It can learn any code, but, its an lcd touchscreensoits hard to work without looking at it..

[19:47:00]

a5benwillis:

erm... Pronto

[19:47:14]

Cyberai:

funny you should say that, the one I bought is a phillips

[19:47:21]

a5benwillis:

<- Has broken spacebar... LOL

[19:47:32]

Cyberai:

but it was only $40, so definitely not the Pronto

[19:47:42]

Cyberai:

that things like $150 isn't it?

[19:47:51]

a5benwillis:

guess I'll sell the Pronto on Ebay soon..

[19:47:56]

a5benwillis:

yeah

[19:49:02]

achew22:

a5benwillis, the one by phillips

[19:49:08]

a5benwillis:

yes

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tzanger:

hmm

[19:50:57]

a5benwillis:

Most remotes have a code to set which button controls sound for all systems

[19:51:03]

tzanger:

mythweb is convinced that I'm watching livetv... is there a way to kick the status without stopping and restarting the backend?

[19:51:26]

tzanger:

the backend itself knows it's not doing it, but it's saying it is

[19:51:29]

a5benwillis:

Has anyone tried gettinga Logitech Harmony remoteto work?

[19:51:40]

Cyberai:

tzanger, /etc/init.d/apache2(or httpd) restart

[19:52:15]

Cyberai:

tzanger, that should force mythweb to re-query the backend

[19:52:31]

tzanger:

Cyberai: that doesn't seem to do it...

[19:53:15]

Cyberai:

tzanger, are you recording somethign right now, or watching something on it?

[19:53:21]

tzanger:

checking if mythfrontend's backend status is showing the same

[19:54:16]

tzanger:

Cyberai: neither

[19:54:27]

Cyberai:

so restart the backend, it won't hurt anything

[19:55:31]

tzanger:

I'm just trying to trace what's causing it is all

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tzanger:

I know a backend restart won't kill anything

[19:55:38]

clever:

http://pastebin.ca/467904

[19:55:38]

tzanger:

er hurt anything

[19:55:42]

clever:

having build problems

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clever:

something in 1394(but the pc has no firewire cards so its useless for me)

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achew22:

a5benwillis, did you get lirc to compile in ubuntu?

[19:58:47]

Cyberai:

tzanger, try running the command to have mysql do a health check. I don't rmemeber the command but I run it by cron once a week or so.

[19:59:20]

Cyberai:

you shouldn't need to compile lirc in ubuntu, you should be able to apt-get it

[19:59:32]

a5benwillis:

achew22: Havent tried yet

[19:59:33]

clever:

Cyberai: i had to compile

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clever:

apt-get gave me source:P

[20:00:06]

Cyberai:

clever, go check for a repository with lirc in it. I know there is one because I used to run myth on ubuntu

[20:00:10]

a5benwillis:

With my last install apt-get worked fine. But myth didnt recognize any of the commands from the remote.

[20:00:29]

clever:

Cyberai: after months of messing with it i finaly got lirc to build for me

[20:00:33]

a5benwillis:

I plan to work on it tonight so I'll let you know how it goes

[20:01:14]

Cyberai:

well, if that's what ya gotta do...

[20:02:30]

Cyberai:

a5benwillis, check to make sure the kernel module installed with "lsmod|grep lirc", insert it by hand if it didn't show up. Then just start the lirc daemon with /etc/init.d/lircd start" and restart myth.

[20:02:44]

a5benwillis:

Anone see this on the myht mailing list today?

[20:02:45]

a5benwillis:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856171001

[20:02:56]

a5benwillis:

Think Im gonna get one of these to play with

[20:03:26]

clever:

http://pastebin.ca/467904 having build problems

[20:04:07]

Cyberai:

a5benwillis, be sure to get the FX-60, even though its only a 2.6Ghz dual core, it SLAMS all competition because it was built for media tasks.

[20:04:55]

gardengnome:

Cyberai: *all* competition including core 2 duo cpus?

[20:05:06]

a5benwillis:

My brother wants to build a Myth box, this might be goodfor him

[20:05:20]

a5benwillis:

Wonder howit would do as a FE/BE box?

[20:05:24]

tzanger:

DAMN that's a nice looking box

[20:05:58]

tzanger:

I think it beats my LC19 for space

[20:05:59]

a5benwillis:

ewe, only ONE pci slot though!

[20:06:32]

tzanger:

same chip as the M2NPV-VM

[20:06:35]

tzanger:

er video

[20:07:11]

Cyberai:

gardengnome, according to the benchmarks I saw (I'll re-find the page if you want), yes, it did beat the Intel chips. But not on all tasks mind you – just the video processing/transcoding.

[20:07:26]

a5benwillis:

bbiab

[20:07:32]

tzanger:

barebone = no cpu, memory, hdd... what about power supply for that

[20:07:45]

tzanger:

oh it does have one

[20:08:00]

achew22:

its got a 200w

[20:08:03]

juski:

definitely night. can't wait for tomorrow night. weekend soon :) 3 day weekends <8

[20:08:03]

tzanger:

yeah

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tzanger:

no remote but yeah not bad, holy crap

[20:08:09]

Cyberai:

one pci slot = serious suckage

[20:08:12]

tzanger:

nah

[20:08:14]

tzanger:

it's a frontend

[20:08:16]

tzanger:

not a backend

[20:08:38]

tzanger:

it needs a remote, that's it

[20:09:18]

achew22:

get a usb remote or somethign and it'd be great

[20:09:53]

tzanger:

yeah I know

[20:09:55]

achew22:

unfortunately (as was pointed out on the thread) it needs a slot load drive and it would cost a lot

[20:10:04]

tzanger:

nah

[20:10:07]

tzanger:

they're not that bad

[20:10:10]

tzanger:

I was pricing htem last week

[20:10:12]

tzanger:

$80 for a dvd-rom

[20:10:14]

achew22:

how much?

[20:10:30]

achew22:

I'd probably want a burner though, I think they are like $150

[20:10:35]

tzanger:

yeah that is true

[20:10:41]

tzanger:

I wouldn't want a burner on that though

[20:10:50]

tzanger:

and I am wondering how they're cooling that AM2

[20:11:18]

tzanger:

I have a 3400+ and I had to use a 1U copper heatsink and replace the 70mm blower that came with the hs with an 80mm one

[20:11:32]

juski:

tzanger: blue LEDs :)

[20:11:35]

tzanger:

ewwwwwwww

[20:11:40]

tzanger:

the LC19 has two of htem

[20:11:41]

tzanger:

I hate them

[20:11:43]

tzanger:

gotta rip 'em out

[20:11:50]

tzanger:

replace one with a remote sensor

[20:11:52]

juski:

blue LEDs don't just look cool – they actually DO cool things down

[20:12:01]

juski:

:-P

[20:12:02]

tzanger:

and the other with a red power LED that is ON when the systme is in standby

[20:12:05]

tzanger:

and off when it's on

[20:12:14]

juski:

oh no. red leds heat stuff up

[20:12:39]

tzanger:

heh

[20:12:51]

Cyberai:

gardengnome – here it is.... http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=4

[20:13:05]

juski:

my lc02 had 2 blue LEDs. both were too bright so I stuffed more resistance in the way

[20:13:18]

Dibblah:

What? Duck tape?

[20:13:25]

juski:

resistors

[20:13:33]

Dibblah:

Ah. Yes, that works too.

[20:13:48]

Cyberai:

looks liek the new conroes are a bit faster, but WAY more expensive

[20:13:57]

goreguts:

heh, i just unplugged my blue LEDs

[20:13:59]

tzanger:

damn that thing has a vfd too?

[20:14:05]

Dibblah:

What I don't get is the *BRIGHT* power LEDs on monitors.

[20:14:06]

tzanger:

my LC19 solution was WAY more expensive than that

[20:14:07]

goreguts:

they ALWAYS make the blue ones way too bright

[20:14:12]

Cyberai:

looks like the FX-60 is still the best bang for the buck

[20:14:37]

juski:

goreguts: that's cos nobody in the case modding world has even heard the word 'understated'

[20:14:46]

Cyberai:

all I cna say is mine handles watching HDTV and transcoding two HDTV recordings at once without breaking a sweat.

[20:15:00]

tzanger:

I'm gonna get one of these I think

[20:15:03]

tzanger:

way better than the one I have now

[20:15:05]

goreguts:

yep, i want no lights on my computer at all

[20:15:06]

tzanger:

give the one I have to my mom

[20:15:12]

achew22:

Cyberai, at what temp do computers sweat?

[20:15:36]

Cyberai:

I worked darn hard to make my current mythbox case have no lights, no chrome, and be almost totally silent

[20:16:00]

goreguts:

yea i'm working on that

[20:16:19]

Cyberai:

achew22, right about the point their "right guard" gives out :)

[20:17:25]

Cyberai:

ok, time to go home to girlfriend

[20:17:32]

Cyberai:

im outtie

[20:17:36]

clever:

http://pastebin.ca/467904 having build problems

[20:19:00]

achew22:

Hi clever! Do you have all your dependancies?

[20:19:08]

clever:

it built fine a week ago

[20:19:18]

clever:

and i havent removed any packages that it could depend on

[20:19:34]

achew22:

what do you run?

[20:19:41]

clever:

ubuntu 6.06

[20:19:51]

juski:

heh. I didn't realise the Kevin Rose behind Digg was the bloke from Systm. oops

[20:19:54]

clever:

old build still installed and running and recording right now

[20:20:11]

Dibblah:

And have you done a make distclean? ;)

[20:20:19]

achew22:

clever, try apt-get build-deps mythtv mythplugins and try again

[20:20:21]

clever:

did svn update then make clean

[20:20:29]

Dibblah:

distclean.

[20:20:56]

clever:

achew22: E: Invalid operation build-deps

[20:21:20]

achew22:

no s

[20:21:21]

achew22:

sorry

[20:21:28]

achew22:

build-dep

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clever:

im also using distcc to a ubuntu 7.04

[20:22:02]

clever:

so its mixing the distro versions a tad

[20:22:09]

clever:

The following NEW packages will be installed:

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clever:

libdvdread3-dev libexif-dev libfaad2–0 libfaad2-dev libmyth-0.20 libmyth-0.20-dev

[20:22:22]

clever:

nothing about 1394 which appeared to be the problem

[20:23:08]

clever:

and i'll probly have to remove the 2 libmyth ones since im building from svn source

[20:23:45]

achew22:

hilight and install the others without using build-dep

[20:24:00]

clever:

yeah i could do that also:)

[20:24:13]

clever:

but its allready halfway thru the build-dep install

[20:24:22]

achew22:

cancle thats all but libmyth

[20:24:39]

clever:

not shure how apt-get will react if i ctrl+c it in the middle of a package

[20:24:46]

achew22:

it just dies

[20:24:48]

achew22:

its not that bad

[20:24:53]

achew22:

it will keep a lock file

[20:24:58]

clever:

too late

[20:25:00]

clever:

it finished:P

[20:25:05]

achew22:

meh

[20:25:11]

achew22:

try again

[20:25:19]

clever:

removing the libmyth crap

[20:25:21]

achew22:

clever, do you have lirc working?

[20:25:30]

clever:

yeah lirc is working

[20:25:54]

achew22:

did you use a tutorial?

[20:25:58]

clever:

many

[20:26:06]

achew22:

any one in perticular?

[20:26:08]

clever:

read tons and messed with it for a month on and off

[20:26:19]

achew22:

that bodes well for me...

[20:26:55]

clever:

this is the main part i think

[20:26:57]

clever:

for my setup

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clever:

./configure --with-transmitter --with-driver=serial --with-port=0x3f8 --with-irq=4

[20:27:36]

achew22:

well "include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing." mutter mutter

[20:27:37]

clever:

also since serial is built right into ubuntu's kernel i have to setserial it off every time before loading the lirc module

[20:27:41]

achew22:

I have my headers installed...

[20:27:51]

clever:

you may need to point it to the headers

[20:27:58]

clever:

./configure --help|less

[20:29:18]

XGizzmo:

helpless lol

[20:30:05]

juski:

better than hopeless ;)

[20:30:38]

achew22:

clever, I pointed it to the one listed by uname -r with --with-kerneldir= and I did make oldconfig && make prepare like it sugested. Do you have any ideas or should I just go read 10 more tutorials?

[20:31:12]

clever:

did you copy the config in before make oldconfig?

[20:31:22]

achew22:

from proc?

[20:31:43]

clever:

yeah i think i got it from there

[20:31:45]

clever:

i forget what it was called

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achew22:

if only I remembered

[20:32:04]

clever:

what was it?

[20:32:10]

clever:

:S

[20:32:23]

achew22:

don't remember

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clever:

i was using a full source dir(200+mb)

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clever:

may not be needed

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achew22:

did you get it from linux.com or something?

[20:32:54]

clever:

i just was trying random things and the full source didnt instantly fix it

[20:33:04]

clever:

i used the ubuntu kernel source pakage

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achew22:

O

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achew22:

I'm fairly sure I have that

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clever:

i forget how i got it but it wound up in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15.tar.bz2

[20:34:31]

clever:

its posible to search for packages containing that file

[20:34:35]

clever:

using apt-file

[20:35:05]

clever:

only have that installed on 1 debian based pc and thats offfline atm

[20:35:32]

clever:

sudo apt-get install apt-file;sudo apt-file update

[20:35:37]

clever:

apt-file search usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15.tar.bz2

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clever:

that should list off all packages containing /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15.tar.bz2

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achew22:

lets see..

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achew22:

its still updating — goodness

[20:38:53]

kabtoffe:

Does anyone know of an AM2-motherboard with more than three PCI slots?

[20:39:18]

clever:

achew22: yeah it downloads the file index for EVERY package in ubuntu

[20:39:24]

clever:

thats why i only use it on 1 box

[20:39:30]

achew22:

clever, ohh — great

[20:39:33]

clever:

then i just copy/paste the package names to where i want them

[20:39:36]

achew22:

and you couldn't look for it for me ;)

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clever:

that box is offline here

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clever:

cant search for you

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achew22:

ah... its okay I don't mind

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clever:

and you can sudo apt-file clean

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clever:

to dump the whole index

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achew22:

i'm running 2.6.20-15-generic, if I get "linux source-2.6.20 will it get the -15-generic branch (is that what it's calleD)

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directhex:

achew22, what exactly do you want?

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achew22:

i'm trying to get (through apt) the linux source so I can compile lirc without any woes

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directhex:

linux-headers-$(uname -r)

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directhex:

there's never a reason to have kernel source to make modules

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achew22:

the headers didn't have enough (apparently)

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directhex:

you must've done something wrong, i've built LIRC more than once against linux-headers-foo

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achew22:

alright clever it was, as always, a pleasure. directhex thanks for your help even though you got in a little late but I have to go to work.

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directhex:

fine. in answer to the question, no, linux-source-foo is unconfigured and not used for building the official kernel images

[20:47:59]

directhex:

but you can get a copy of the .config file from /boot to run make moduleprepare (i think that's the invocation)

[20:48:03]

clever:

but if you copy the config from /proc/ and make oldconfig?

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directhex:

but my opinion is it's not neccessary

[20:48:14]

clever:

maybe it was in boot

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directhex:

both

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directhex:

no wait, ubuntu disables /proc/config.gz

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clever:

i forget what its called under proc but i see a few in boot

[20:49:43]

directhex:

/boot/config-$(uname -r)

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clever:

yep

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clever:

the -15 is a patch count for minor changes to the 2.6.20 source

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clever:

i think

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directhex:

debian (and ubuntu) kernels start counting from -1-

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directhex:

then each time there's an incompatible ABI change (that makes modules incompatible by changing the symbols in the kernel) the number increases

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clever:

the module wont be a 100% perfect fit but the patches shouldnt affect the fit of modules much so i dont think it would matter

[20:51:29]

clever:

yeah that makes sense

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directhex:

linux-source-2.6.20 will match the latest ABI version

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directhex:

but differ wildly from kernel.org 2.6.20

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clever:

awhile ago i was making the modules for a madwifi driver

[20:52:41]

clever:

and i somehow wound up merging the sources

[20:52:49]

clever:

so the module source was in the kernel source folder

[20:53:01]

clever:

and i could build it right into the kernel or as a module using make menuconfig

[20:53:46]

clever:

but building into the kernel breaks the access to giving the modules args on loading

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directhex:

i think you can set them with the kernel append line

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clever:

at boot?

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directhex:

yeah

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clever:

wont help for changing it at runtime

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directhex:

true

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clever:

also building as a module

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clever:

i can rebuild to fix problems

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clever:

rmmod and remodprobe

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clever:

and no reboot to fix it

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

anybody know if the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1300 works in myth? i cant find anyhing on the interweb

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gbee:

if it works in linux it will work in myth

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

gbee: i couldn't find anything about it being supported by any linux drivers

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

or unsupported

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

hang on, i thought that one was usb

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

doesn't matter

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gbee:

if in doubt, buy a Nova-T and a PVR-150 rather than opting for the combined card

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

gbee: need usb – its for a pci-express box

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Fnc:

So some of you see that woot has a "media center pc" today for... 359 +5bux shipping...

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gbee:

the HVR 1300 is PCI

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

ye, i was looking at the wrong page

[21:51:32]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

and the other one was coaxial cable only

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Fnc:

Super_Cat_Frog_ what kind of card you looking for?

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Fnc:

er tuner.. guess your looking for usb...

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

fnc – usb composite, preferably hardware encoded

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Fnc:

why composite? what uh signal you wanting to record?

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

from the cable box

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

also, im hoping it will work with my wii in xine, although im not banking on it being fast enough

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

(fast as in latency free)

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

wii doesn't have coax

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Fnc:

so you need someting with coax input?

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

no, composite

[21:56:32]

coopster:

i have a question: i'm running mythtv on a network, with one backend that has (currently) one tuner. I have a bunch of friends on the network, who I know would like to be able to watch TV on their computer. Is it possible to prioritize the frontends so that I have full access, but they cannot interrupt my livetv or cancel my scheduled recordings?

[21:56:54]

coopster:

if there's some term I need to google for, that'll work for me. I've looked around and came up with nothing.

[21:57:09]

Fnc:

Super_Cat_Frog_ guess you have the need to use the cable box, you cant do away with it.. you have encrypted stuffs?

[21:57:31]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

Fnc: yes, thats right, so a dvb-c card wont do

[21:57:41]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

and i cant live without sky sports, as much as i hate their commentary

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directhex:

composite? someone hates image quality

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

directhex: my other option is coax

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Fnc:

Super_Cat_Frog_ was more thinking the hdhomerun

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

Fnc: ah, we dont have hdtv over the air the the uk

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gbee:

coopster: that's not currently possible

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Fnc:

it will do qam cable also

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Fnc:

not just over the air

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coopster:

gbee, shoot. thanks

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

coopster: you could write a cronjob to parse the schedules table and tweak the iptables rules at cerin times

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coopster:

Super_Cat_Frog_, hrmm, I guess that's true, just cut off access at times a record job is scheduled?

[22:00:34]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

coopster: yes, its a bit hacky, but thats how i'd do it, i think

[22:00:34]

gbee:

Super_Cat_Frog_: not nationally, but there are HD trials in London

[22:00:58]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

gbee: yes, but that doesn't count

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Fnc:

Super_Cat_Frog_: i think id go with the coax, rahter than composite

[22:01:09]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

im up north

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coopster:

Super_Cat_Frog_, quick and dirty has always worked for me. where would I find some info about reading the schedule table? I haven't even looked at the database

[22:01:14]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

Fnc: why?

[22:01:34]

gbee:

Super_Cat_Frog_: not much good for me either ;)

[22:01:36]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

coopster: echo "show tables;" | mysql -umythconverg -p

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

coopster: i meant: echo "show tables;" | mysql -umythconverg -p mythtv

[22:02:06]

coopster:

Super_Cat_Frog_, thanks

[22:02:32]

Fnc:

super.. how you gunna handle aduio?

[22:02:34]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

coopster: then do explain NAME_OF_THE_SCHEDULES_TABLE, and write a php/perl/whatever script to parse it

[22:02:49]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

Fnc: using the l/r audio cables from the scart

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Fnc:

Super_Cat_Frog_: you might have some sync issues...

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

Fnc: im a bit confused – i thought composite was scart

[22:04:36]

Ryushin:

I had to do a kernel option of "vmalloc=256M" when I put my 4th tuner in due to the fact that the NVidia 7200 card wouldn't start. I'm seeing 256MB taken off the top of my main memory. Is vmalloc supposed to do that?

[22:04:40]

gbee:

mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "SHOW TABLES;"

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Fnc:

Super_Cat_Frog_ for me... composite, is a rca connection...

[22:05:21]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

Fnc: yes, rca / composite / scart – theyre the same thing, aren't they?

[22:05:45]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

except the scart as the silly pins instead of the rca cables

[22:06:13]

Fnc:

scart, is some wierd o thing.. like this one here...http://www.z500series.com/images/products/Z500_rear.jpg

[22:06:52]

Fnc:

Super_Cat_Frog_: would something like that hvr-950 work for ya?

[22:07:02]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

fnc – hang on i'l google

[22:07:14]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

Fnc: yes thats scart, but its the same has having the 3 rca cables

[22:07:19]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

somebody correct me if i am wrong

[22:07:30]

chuk:

I'm having trouble compiling under Ubuntu feisty

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

chuk: sudo apt-get install build-essential ?

[22:07:41]

chuk:

getting an error cannot find -lGL

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

chuk: then ignore what i said

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

Fnc: no, thats NTSC/ATSC, not PAL

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Fnc:

ah damm.. your right, forgot about that major difference

[22:09:31]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

out of interest, what the hell is ATSC?

[22:09:46]

directhex:

DVB for americans

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

ah

[22:10:06]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

DVB-T ?

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directhex:

because standards are for losers

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

heh

[22:10:23]

directhex:

yes, over-the-air digital

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

blackpool, lancashire, north west england

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Fnc:

london?

[22:12:13]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

ooh! hang on!

[22:12:21]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

i think i must have looked for something else, previously

[22:12:39]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

there's a few of those wintv pvr usb2 boxes: http://www.ciao.co.uk/Hauppauge_WinTV_PVR_usb2__5433274

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Fnc:

Super_Cat_Frog_:

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Fnc:

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/TV+ . . . mp;rqcType=c

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

ace, ta

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EnterUserName:

hey all

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EnterUserName:

does mythtv work with freebsd/gentoobsd?

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

EnterUserName: i doubt it, the freebsd kernel doesn't support v4l

[22:24:26]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

although i may be wrong

[22:24:54]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

lack of v4l support is my only reason for not using freebsd on my desktop

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GreyFoxx:

EnterUserName: The frontend can be compiled and used

[22:25:38]

GreyFoxx:

And at one time you could use the backend on there, but I don't know the state of that

[22:27:12]

GreyFoxx:

With the new release of OpenBSD I might run through SVN and make sure it compiles(frontend only) and runs there

[22:27:15]

jrr:

wooooo i finally got the firmware update for my cable box

[22:28:49]

EnterUserName:

Yes.

[22:28:50]

EnterUserName:

:)

[22:29:07]

EnterUserName:

I think gentoo is workign real well on my linux box :) So i decide to use gentoo-freebsd :)

[22:29:25]

EnterUserName:

maybe i'll play around with it on my macbook

[22:29:52]

GreyFoxx:

So it's what..a customized freebsd ? (I assume since you keep mentioning freebsd along with it)

[22:30:22]

Fnc:

GreyFoxx: know if anyone has gotten myth to work on a Sigma EM8620L based cpu?

[22:30:43]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

GreyFoxx: its gentoo with a freebsd kernel, there's also a debian-freebsd as well

[22:30:44]

EnterUserName:

i think so.. GreyFoxx not sure about all the "techno" stuff about it

[22:30:46]

GreyFoxx:

I thought the EM86xx where decoders, not general cpu's

[22:30:57]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

same gnu userpace

[22:30:58]

GreyFoxx:

Enter/Super: Ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

Fnc: Cool. Do you have something with that chip on it where you can provider your own binaries to run?

[22:33:49]

Fnc:

you can telnet into the one they are selling as root

[22:34:04]

GreyFoxx:

Got a link to it?

[22:34:14]

GreyFoxx:

runs a form of linux ?

[22:34:26]

Fnc:

yup

[22:34:27]

Fnc:

start here

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Fnc:

http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=463850

[22:34:43]

FunkyELF:

hey guys, is the gentoo wiki down? I'm trying to get to the mythtv guide

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

FunkyELF: use google cache

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GreyFoxx:

ACk.,....the company even provides the source so you can customize yourown

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FunkyELF:

that seems to be frozen too

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Fnc:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

...... I'm loving them already

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Fnc:

and on their forums.. they are like... we can do stufs... here ya go

[22:36:10]

mcquaid:

has anyone had any experience with ncid?

[22:36:13]

GreyFoxx:

nice nice

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Fnc:

oh hold on..

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

ooh! just used google checkout for that tv card – quite nice

[22:37:05]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

and google gave me £10 ($19.95 ish) off, for the order being over £30

[22:37:16]

mcquaid:

what card?

[22:37:26]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

Hauppauge WINTV PVR USB2

[22:37:39]

mcquaid:

ah

[22:38:07]

mcquaid:

i don't know if usb based cards will ever win me over

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Fnc:

GreyFoxx: http://www.ziova.com/clearstream.php renamed this selves so they could use the same name in all countries

[22:38:29]

Fnc:

but they have one the cs510 without the dvd player

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

mcquaid: its for a pci-express box, i had no choice – i'd prefer an internal card

[22:38:58]

Fnc:

and the cs505 is the exact same guts, no scart on back, and new case

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GreyFoxx:

Cool, and it has upnp support

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Fnc:

but im thinking... it going to have great implications on these things... pretty cheap too

[22:39:27]

mcquaid:

pci-express box? it has no reg. pci slots?

[22:39:28]

Fnc:

269

[22:39:33]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

mcquaid: nope

[22:39:39]

mcquaid:

damn

[22:39:43]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

yes

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

should be nippy though

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mcquaid:

i'm not sure if i like that trend, but i guess it's inevitable

[22:39:59]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

getting the parts delivered in the next couple of days

[22:40:37]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

mcquaid: yes, i decided just to get as high end as i could resonably afford, without compromising for backwards compatilities sake

[22:40:56]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

no point spending loads on a machine that is only slightly better than the one i have

[22:41:04]

mcquaid:

true

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Fnc:

GreyFoxx: also has internall usb connectors ;)

[22:41:52]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

rite, im off

[22:41:54]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

bed time

[22:42:00]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

bye all

[22:42:19]

mcquaid:

i was just trying to find if i can have caller id within myth. i found ncid but it's been difficult to set up

[22:42:41]

mcquaid:

i don't have a modem with caller id but i have an ata, from what I read in the docs this should work

[22:42:59]

mcquaid:

it's not clear if i need a modem or some caller id box as well

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coopster:

i've modified my /etc/security/limits.conf as per the HOWTO, but I can't get realtime to work on the frontend (i still get the 'realtime requires SUID root' message). what am I doing wrong?

[22:46:08]

coopster:

is there a service i need to restart to have that take effect?

[22:46:42]

chrae:

how to I probe for a v4l device besides lspci?

[22:50:02]

Fnc:

coopster: what kind of issues you havcing..

[22:50:25]

chrae:

Anyone with any experience with the ATI TV Wonder 650. The docs say the the TV wonder cards somewhat work, but says nothing about the 650, and I'm running into dead ends through google

[22:51:50]

GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: You need a modem or asterisk box or something that can read the callerid and send it to you

[22:51:51]

Fnc:

coopster do this: chmod a+s /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend /usr/local/bin/mythtv

[22:54:22]

coopster:

Fnc, I did, even though the howto said security risk, but mythtv still reports 'realtime would require SUID root'

[22:54:48]

Fnc:

coop

[22:54:54]

Fnc:

where you root when you did that?

[22:55:01]

coopster:

yup

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coopster:

ls -l confirms that it is SUID

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coopster:

to root

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Fnc:

is that where your files are...

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coopster:

well, they're in /usr/bin, not local, but i set the right ones

[22:59:01]

grndslm:

soo...i *can* use 2 deinterlace filters at once!!! Must bobdeint still be chosen from the drop-down menu & kerneldeint on the custom filter line...or can i put them both on the custom filters line??

[23:00:01]

coopster:

Fnc, that still didn't do it.

[23:04:29]

aarcane:

How do I configure the video plugin for mythtv to show symlinks ? it refuses to show the symlinks I placed into a folder :(

[23:06:22]

goreguts:

hi, ok,m i got firewire working, except my audio just makes this really loud clicking noise, anyone know what i can do about that

[23:07:37]

Anduin:

aarcane: You are in file browse mode?

[23:07:47]

kormoc:

goreguts, try enabling extra audio buffering?

[23:08:36]

goreguts:

also, my live tv only uses my pvr-150, how do i get live tv to use the firewire?

[23:08:42]

goreguts:

alright, i'll try that

[23:08:53]

aarcane:

Anduin, far as I know yes. I usually prefer the listing view though.

[23:09:34]

Anduin:

aarcane: Yeah, view type != browse mode, it is just a check (to make a view browse the filesystem, vs build a tree from the DB)

[23:10:31]

goreguts:

oh, if i use file browse mode, i dont have to update the database whenever i add new videos?

[23:10:35]

aarcane:

Anduin, how do I make it show the listing in a tree from the filesystem instead of a tree from the DB ?

[23:10:41]

coopster:

Fnc, Hrmm, apparently Ubuntu changes the actual mythfrontend to be mythfrontend.real, i'm just going to add mythfrontend.real to the sudoers file, that should do it.

[23:10:55]

Anduin:

goreguts: live TV uses an available tuner, use y to switch

[23:11:11]

coopster:

I tried just SUIDing that file, but for some reason it isn't taking because it's called from a different script or somthing

[23:11:19]

Anduin:

aarcane: check the 'list view browses files' checkbox in the settings

[23:11:39]

aarcane:

I did Anduin , and it still doesn't show symlinks

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Anduin:

aarcane: Are you running a very new version?

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Anduin:

(I only ask because as of this weekend svn will prune "empty" directories"

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Anduin:

)

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coopster:

is mythtv set to remove commercials from the video permanently when transcoding, by default?

[23:16:03]

GreyFoxx:

coopster: n`o

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coopster:

ty

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GreyFoxx:

You need to edit the video, load in the cutlist, then transcode

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aarcane:

Anduin, 0.20.0.20070131

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coopster:

is there any way to make commercial detection stricter? it seems to be missing some re-entry points

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use the commericial detection stuff

[23:17:14]

GreyFoxx:

but there are tons of detection options you can use. I just can't comment on any of them

[23:17:37]

coopster:

hrmm, i have it set to use all available, but that seems to be a little off

[23:17:39]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: really? I thought that's the whole point of using myth

[23:17:47]

Anduin:

aarcane: I only know svn revisions

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: MAybe for you

[23:18:15]

GreyFoxx:

For me it's for the advanced recording abilities, network playablity and plugins

[23:18:16]

Anduin:

aarcane: If it is older than last week you should always see them though.

[23:18:37]

GreyFoxx:

I don't mind hitting FF a couple times when a commercial comes along :)

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: advanced recording such as?

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Anduin:

I don't use commercial detection or transcoding either.

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coopster:

has anyone put any thought into making a recommendation system for myth? i would think that it would be pretty simple to anonymously upload the title of each program being recorded, and then see if others have the same recordings and use that info to suggest something

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: The scheduler is a hell of a lot more advanced than just "record from 9pm to 10pm" :)

[23:19:27]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: that's too bad. you'd be a right candidate for tivo if canada had them :)

[23:19:33]

aarcane:

Anduin, nope. I have a folder Music Videos, and inside it I have about 40 symlinks to videos in my music folder on another drive where I'm hiding a bunch of my Music Videos.

[23:19:52]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: then you can hit FF every 10 minutes :)

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GreyFoxx:

Only stuff I transcode is stuff that has been sitting on the box unwatched for a while

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: I do :)

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goreguts:

where do i increase the audio buffer size?

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kormoc:

aarcane, can you try making a symlink to the directory on the other drive and see if that works?

[23:20:43]

aarcane:

coopster, if that were to happen, the anonymous uploads should also contain commercial information too so users can use community created commercial lists to edit their videos :)

[23:20:44]

coopster:

mchou, have you tweaked the commercial detection system at all, or do you just use myth defaults?

[23:20:45]

kormoc:

aarcane, cause that's what I do and it works fine

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mchou:

coopster: I use the defaults, but reside in USA

[23:21:14]

coopster:

aarcane, yeah, that's a great ieda

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mchou:

coopster: it's > 98% accurate for me

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coopster:

mchou, me too

[23:21:31]

coopster:

mchou, you have it set on 'use all methods' ?

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Anduin:

aarcane: Ok, I can't explain it, it certainly should work.

[23:21:42]

mchou:

out of say 10 programs I watch I hit ff maybe 2x

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aarcane:

Anduin, I just noticed all my symlinks are relative rather than absolute, should that matter ?

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coopster:

mchou, my problem is that it flags commercials correctly, but misses the original return from break, and resumes 40 seconds into the show

[23:22:26]

mchou:

coopster: iirc, I just use blank detection or some such

[23:23:09]

coopster:

hrmm, i'll try that

[23:23:17]

mchou:

coopster: I think there is a setting for that......

[23:23:31]

coopster:

there is, i remember seeing it

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mchou:

if it jumps too far into the show

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Anduin:

aarcane: It should not

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coopster:

ah, i dont remember anything about that

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coopster:

i have 'strict commercial detection' turned on

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aarcane:

okay, I symlinked a DIR and it worked fine.

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mchou:

lol. someone asked me what virus scanner to buy. I told him "install linux" :)

[23:24:33]

aarcane:

does myth care what the symlinks point to or does it leave that to the players to care about ?

[23:25:11]

Anduin:

aarcane: It only cares about the name (with no link detection)

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Anduin:

aarcane: Theses files you are linking to are a "known" file type?

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aarcane:

Anduin, mpg movies.

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Anduin:

aarcane: Yeah, but the extension is .mpg?

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aarcane:

yep

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Anduin:

Yeah, should work, works for me.

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goreguts:

kormoc: where can i increase the audio buffer size?

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kormoc:

goreguts, somewhere in the frontend settings

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Anduin:

goreguts: There is a check to enable extra buffering (not a number setting)

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aarcane:

okay, I figgured it out..

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aarcane:

they have to be absolute symlinks, they can't be relative.

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kormoc:

aarcane, ahh, interesting

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kormoc:

aarcane, one other note, if you are going to be doing an entire dir, you can seperate multiple paths in mythvideo with a : and it will scan them all

[23:31:17]

goreguts:

ah, in mythtv-setup?

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coopster:

aarcane, how would you efficiently describe the commercial information? it'd be very difficult to upload each video... some sort of hash function?

[23:31:51]

kormoc:

goreguts, no, it's a frontend settings, it's just a checkbox somewhere in the maze of settings

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aarcane:

coopster, a cue style format with timecodes for the starts and stops of commercials.

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goreguts:

geez its so hard to find some settings

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goreguts:

also, i'm trying to use the internal player to watch some downloaded videos and when i hit enter on them, nothing happens

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coopster:

aarcane, but how would that help the community identify/skip commercials?

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aarcane:

coopster, if the timecodes indicate where the commercials start and end, the transcoder can use that information to edit them out.

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kormoc:

coopster, his idea was that if everyone recorded at the exact same time from the same source, they can use the same cutlist so to speak

[23:33:50]

coopster:

yeah, it's a valid method, but i would think that the number of people from any given identical source/commercial layout is very small

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coopster:

if there was some way to have a record of each commercial in a DB, and then detect if the beginning of this scene matched a known commercial...

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aarcane:

coopster, shows come from the studios with pre-defined commercial break points. all you would have to do is accurately ID the beginning of the show, and a few people recording reruns of old shows may need to adjust manually

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GreyFoxx:

and unless all of the people using that method all sync to a common timesource none will have "identical" videos

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coopster:

aarcane, aah, i get it

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kormoc:

aarcane, sure, but those break points don't have to be identically long

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kormoc:

aarcane, one source can play 3 ads in each block, another, 2 and 4, or the like

[23:36:21]

aarcane:

kormoc, true... that would be a potential problem..

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coopster:

aarcane, that could be pretty good. you could have a hash or some way of sampling the scene right before the cut, and the one right after, and then know that in between that are commercials

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coopster:

or if you id'd every scene, you'd know if a scene was not what was 'expected' and most likely a re-cut commercial

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** aarcane shrugs **

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aarcane:

I don't even have a TV-Tuner card yet, I just use mythtv for the video and game plugins. I'm waiting for an mpd plugin :-S

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coopster:

hrmm, that's somethin to think about

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coopster:

but, the program recommender is a significantly easier problem

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a5benwillis:

Ok, who wants to help me get my new Plasma working with Ubuntu???

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mIRCat:

I want to but lack of knowledge prevents me :(

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a5benwillis:

lol

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aarcane:

a5benwillis, it should be easy. what video card do you have ?

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