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Tuesday, May 1st, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

Como|Lappy: Well, "@reboot" is a special time token

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Dagmar:

You don't really want to do that though GDM/KDM

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Dagmar:

That will just result in wasted resources.

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Dagmar:

Simply call startx using `runas $mythtv_user`

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Como|Lappy:

its fluxbox im running

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stonith:

ah didn't know what window manager you were using.

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Como|Lappy:

thought i'd go for light

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stonith:

Como|Lappy: thats fine, I use the KDM/GDM, but i run my frontend on the same backend box, that is pretty hefty is size, also this server doesn't go down.

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Kritter:

I seem to have broken normal system sound when trying to fix spdif passthrough, which I've fixed.

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kormoc:

Como|Lappy, aye, as Dagmar said, @reboot is special, it maps to the time NOW on the startup of the cron daemon

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Kritter:

now speaker-test doesn't work and emulators produce scary static.

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Como|Lappy:

i cant find any examples on google, its not liking the @ sign >_<

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Como|Lappy:

gah, i forget how to use vi

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Como|Lappy:

# Open X after reboot

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Como|Lappy:

@reboot startx

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Como|Lappy:

@reboot mythbackend

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Como|Lappy:

@reboot mythfrontend

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Como|Lappy:

so will that do what im expecting? (or at least close)

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kormoc:

don't bother with the mythbackend via cron, use a init.d script or similar

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kormoc:

and as for the frontend, I use a script that runs every minute to restart it, so if it crashed, it will auto fire up again

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Como|Lappy:

crashes? heh, havnt seen that happen yet

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kormoc:

https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/runmythfe

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kormoc:

crashes/hangs till I kill it :P

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Como|Lappy:

ok, so i put mythbackend/frontend in my startup file

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Como|Lappy:

and the @reboot in the cron

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Como|Lappy:

for mythuser

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Como|Lappy:

course im not /there/ so i cant see if it worked

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tazer-:

do they have anything for noobs posted?

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Como|Lappy:

most of the documentation is pretty friendly

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Fnc:

does anyone have any recomendations for a frontend vid card, that can handle HD streams? thats cheap?

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Pretty much any newer nvidia card will do just fine

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Did you get your frontend working?

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Fnc:

yeah

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Fnc:

just so ya know...

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Tanthrix:

What ended up being the problem?

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Fnc:

there were a couple things...

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Fnc:

one was the localhost thing that we were working on.. ended up needeing to add mythtv@ip address

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Tanthrix:

For mysql, you mean?

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Fnc:

and then needed to add the host name from the frontend to allow it to access the database

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Fnc:

yes mysql

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Fnc:

then i noticed after i ran updatedb, that i had another mysql.txt file that i needed to change...

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Fnc:

got that stuff all set and it works...

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Tanthrix:

Good.

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Fnc:

then noticed that my vid card in that box was built-on 16mb... so no good on the HD.. but it at least streams now...

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Tanthrix:

What's the CPU speed?

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Fnc:

Tanthrix: happen to know about the nvidia HD stuff that can handle blueray with the security stuffs... if there is any support in linux?

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Fnc:

... p4 2.somthing

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Tanthrix:

The reason I ask is because the video card (most of the time) isn't as important as the CPU for doing HD stuff

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Tanthrix:

The exception being mpeg2 (which you can sometimes use XvMC to get much, much better performance) or if the card is just so damn old it can't do anything

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Tanthrix:

And as far as bluray / hd-dvd is concerned: Both use different codecs, either AVC, H264, or MPEG2 and all three are supported in linux. The bad news is that the encryption is not, at least not like deCSS.

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Fnc:

its a shuttle box... so it has a built on video card.. with 16meg of ram...

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Tanthrix:

You have to do a ton of stuff to bypass the encryption to get a hd-dvd / bluray disc to play, assuming you have either player

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Tanthrix:

And even then, if it's 1080P h264 you probably won't be able to play it, no matter how great the system is since the efficiency isn't quite there yet in the code.

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Tanthrix:

(With exceptions – compression rate and such can make x264 encoded videos be more or less easy to decode, but from what I've heard the stuff straight of hd-dvds / bluray just doesn't work anywhere great except for Windows.)

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Tanthrix:

In any case, it's not supported under linux, and from what I know, it's not likely to be anytime soon

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Como|Lappy:

if ps -aux |grep mythbackend doesnt see it, that means its not running, right?

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Tanthrix:

Como|Lappy: Aye.

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Fnc:

ya know.... seems i use to use the -

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Fnc:

but now i dont have too

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Fnc:

guess it works eitherway

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grndslm:

i'm having trouble keeping my audio in sync with the video...any tips other than enabling "Use video as timebase"??

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Dagmar:

Stop using a framegrabber?

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Tanthrix:

Good advice.

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Fnc:

what would one use instead of a framegrabber?

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grndslm:

framegrabber?

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Tanthrix:

PVR-x50 card.

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grndslm:

that was a suggestion for me?

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Dagmar:

Life is MUCH easier when the card just emits a compressed MPEG stream.

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Tanthrix:

Does hardware mpeg2 encoding, as opposed to a "dumb" framegrabber card that outputs raw frames and audio separately that then must be encoded by myth

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grndslm:

umm...i'm using pvr500

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grndslm:

audio's recorded in sync...but i have to pause then replay every once in a while

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Fnc:

anyway to do that with uh better outputs?

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Tanthrix:

grndslm: What are the specs of your system?

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kormoc:

grndslm, enable the extra audio buffers

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degreseven:

anyone have any tricks for reducing menu flicker on a tube tv?

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Fnc:

Dagmar: dvi or hdmi component

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Tanthrix:

degreseven: Look in nvidia-settings, there's a deflickering thing that might work for you

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degreseven:

Tanthrix, thanks

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grndslm:

kormoc: i've also had that on before while the audio playback starts to lag (or jump ahead, whichever it is)

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Dagmar:

Fnc: huh?

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afterwego:

If I might ask what is the best de-interlaceing method?

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kormoc:

afterwego, the one that looks best to you

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grndslm:

Tanthrix: backend & frontend both with Athlons, 1600xp & 2000xp

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Dagmar:

Fnc: The Hauppauge PVR-xx0 cards are just tuners, dude.

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Dagmar:

excepting the 350 of course

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grndslm:

Tanthrix: i have plenty of resources, though I am starting to run outta memory on both

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kormoc:

grndslm, get a better sound card?

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Tanthrix:

grndslm: I'd say do as kormoc says then, you shouldn't be having performance issues

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Dagmar:

DVI output is strictly a function of your video card. Aim for an nVidia 5200 for that

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kormoc:

nVidia 5200 or higher

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Dagmar:

ANything much higher than a 5200 is kinda a waste of money

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kormoc:

Dagmar, hard to find 5200's in pci-e :P

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Dagmar:

Not to mention some of the 6xxx cards don't have video overlay support, so XvMC is kinda useless on them

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kormoc:

Dagmar, meh, only greyscale OSD

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Dagmar:

No, I'm serious

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Tronic:

Dagmar: Which don't?

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Fnc:

Dagmar: guess im not sure on the sync issues with video and audio? how using a 5200 and a pvr-xx0 card?

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Tanthrix:

afterwego: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8524 This explains some of myth's deinterlacing methods. They are obviously not all created equally, but have different pros/cons

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kormoc:

I've only heard of that in rumors, never seen someone with a xvinfo that didn't have the correct settings. I have a 6800 and it's fine

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Tronic:

And what exactly do you mean with video overlay? Overlays (with magic paint) or xv in general or just xvmc?

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murray:

hey ... is there a way, when running myth-setup for the first time and scanning for channels in the uk, to give it a hint about the area/transmitter?

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murray:

or shortcut the mythtv scan, in favour of a command line scan which runs faster?

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Dagmar:

Some of the 6200's and some of the 6150's

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Dagmar:

Damn coffee house keeps dropping my ssh session

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

my mythbox is a 6200 and it has all the XV stuff too... I donno, perhaps some do suck, I've never actually seen them

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Dagmar:

ABout oncfe a week someone saddled with one will drop in here

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Fnc:

murry: you should talk to juski

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Dagmar:

There was a big discussion about it on the nVidia forums, which is part of the reason they stopped doing that I suspect

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murray:

ahh, thanks Fnc

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Fnc:

Dagmar: guess im not sure on the sync issues with video and audio? how using a 5200 and a pvr-xx0 card?

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Tronic:

All MythTV deinterlacers suck.

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Dagmar:

Damn I really need to talk to Bob aboujt building a proper firewall for this place

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kormoc:

Tronic, write a better one then

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I take it that the 7xxx cards are ok?

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Tronic:

If you want something good, you have to use another player.

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Tronic:

kormoc: It's on my TODO.

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: I've not seen any reports about the missing video overlay in those

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Tronic:

(porting TomsMoComp, namely)

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Dagmar:

Fnc; I've no idea why you'd be having those issues with that confiuguration

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Tanthrix:

Tronic: What other options are available in other programs that are better? I'm always going back and fourth between deinterlacing methods

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Dagmar:

Fnc: That video timebase thing you specified should have sorted it

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Dagmar:

Fnc: You didn't change the default encoding for audio from 48k did you?

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Fnc:

hmm id have to check

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Tronic:

MPlayer's -vf pp=fd is quite good and Xine support TomsMoComp via its tvtime filter (but that seems very crashy).

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Letting nVidia's magical drivers deal with deinterlacing

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PaulWay[w]:

Hi all!

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kormoc:

Fnc, you didn't setup your sound card to output something other then 48k did you?

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Fnc:

its spdif...

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Fnc:

so maybe i did

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Didn't we establish that only works for composite out? Or do I remember incorrectly..

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PaulWay[w]:

Is it possible to offload transcoding onto a slave backend? Or does it only happen on the master backend?

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nasa:

oh, maybe someone can help me... I am using mandriva 2007.1 (kernel = 2.6.17) I have a pvr 500 and hdtv5500. If I install the drivers from the pchdtv website — I get ivtv kernel oops. Does anyone know how to get this working?

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PaulWay[w]:

It doesn't come with a later kernel?

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: In any case, it magically doesn't work on my system, and unless you can point me to some documentation to get it working (Which I don't think you can, it being magical and all,) I must resort to other methods.

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Tanthrix:

Tronic: What method does pp=fd use? (IE, adaptive, bob, etc..)

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Weird. I guess you're not using s-video output?

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Dagmar:

I know for sure it "magically" works with s-video output any time the driver sees an xvideo window

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: 1080P over DVI. And the reason I said that we established that it only worked over composite, is because it is a function of the anti-flicker stuff, right?

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Tanthrix:

And er, I meant composite / s-video

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Dagmar:

Yeah, as far as I know it assumes you're handling deinterlacing elsewhere with DVI

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Tanthrix:

(Never really used s-video, so I always forget about it)

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Dagmar:

I almost bought a new display earlier tho

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Tanthrix:

Oh really? What are you looking at?

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grndslm:

so if i plan on making an svcd, would recording with 720x480 really help me versus keeping it at 480x480?

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Tanthrix:

Yah, that would probably suck. Better to save up and get a $500–600 32 inch

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Dagmar:

I may still freak out later tonight and buy it to give my study desk a break from the tonnage of the 19" and the 17"

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Dagmar:

grndslm: Recording with higher resolution is almost always good

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Dagmar:

The transcoder can deal with issues better if there's more video data to work with

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grndslm:

but increasing the resolution and keeping the bitrate the same can't be as good...

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grndslm:

can it?

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Dagmar:

grndslm: The default bitrates are pretty much plenny broad enough for 720x480

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Prices are starting to get more reasonable: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc=

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Mainly I'm just considering building a projector

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Dagmar:

I'm just not all that keen on the idea of paying even $50 for a bulb

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grndslm:

Dagmar: ok, last question for you for the day...what's the relevance of recording aspect ratio? this is going to be what my cable co broadcasts, correct?

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Tanthrix:

That'll keep you busy for a while

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Tronic:

Tanthrix: It uses some adaptive methods, but I don't know exactly.

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grndslm:

yea, LCDs are where it's at

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Dagmar:

grndslm: Yep.

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Tanthrix:

Tronic: Interesting – I'll look into it. And if you adapt it to work with Myth you'll be my hero ;)

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Dagmar:

grndslm: Mainly once it's encoded, the aspect ratio is just a number (aside from the x-y size)

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Tronic:

Tanthrix: Don't hold your breath. I have too many on-going projects.

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grndslm:

just a number??

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Dagmar:

Just a number.

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grndslm:

so the recording won't be different either way?

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Dagmar:

You can have 720x480 that's 16:9 just as easily as 4:3.

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Dagmar:

Well, the difference would simply be that the number that represents the aspect ratio would be different

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grndslm:

so why does the option exist?

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: So are you looking into using the overhead projector + 15 inch lcd approach?

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Pretty much, except I'm going to be a bit more industrious about it and just get some fresnels of the right size

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Tanthrix:

grndslm: So whatever plays back the video knows what aspect ratio it is, to properly display it.

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grndslm:

interesting

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Dagmar:

I mean, i'm going to have to buy some woodworking tools anyway, so I might as well put my engineering skills to use

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Fnc:

so the 5200 is the best buy.. any benefits i should consider on buying something higher?

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: How are the quality on those? I've never seen a homebuilt in person

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grndslm:

i've heard lotsa good things about lcd projectors

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: It varies directly in proportion to the amount of effort and skill put into it

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Fnc:

Dagmar just save the money on all that and get you one of the cheap projectors...

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grndslm:

never seen one myself either, other than at sam's club

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Generally I'm not thrilled with most projectors unless they are of the high resolution and expensive variety

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Dagmar:

Using an overhead and a 15" panel is pretty decent tho

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Dagmar:

I've seen two of those setups

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murray:

Is there a way to automate the import of things like avi files to Media Library, without having to go to Utilities/Setup, Video Manager ?

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Fnc:

Dagmar you watch a lot of movies?

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Tanthrix:

What's the max resolution you can get with a 15 inch panel?

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Dagmar:

Eliminating the light bleeding is the ugliest thing next to just plain getting rid of the heat

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Dagmar:

Fnc: Not really

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Far as I know, 1400xwhatever

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Tanthrix:

That's not bad.

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Dagmar:

You don't typically find them with higher resolutions than that in that size

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Tanthrix:

1024x768 would not be worth the trouble

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Fnc:

Dagmar: was gunna say... not sure how one would go about it with the lenses and panel, but i CH setup would be cool.. as long as your putting the effort into it

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** Tanthrix is mystefied why anyone would buy a plasma TV due to most of them having sub-720P resolution **

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grndslm:

and burn-in

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Tanthrix:

And color degradation

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Dagmar:

Tantrix: FOr the fun of mounting it on the ceiling and then calling tech support about why it doesn't work anymore?

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Dagmar:

;)

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grndslm:

what a rip off

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

I saw a 52 inch plasma set the other day that was 1024x768, friggin hilarious

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Dagmar:

Fnc: I used to do some positively abusive things with lighting for ambient shows, so I'm somewhat familiar with how to deal with light baffles and whatnot

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Dagmar:

WOW pixels as big as my fingertipes

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Dagmar:

Fnc: Mainly things to make it very much look like the walls are breathing

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Dagmar:

ALways a big hit with people on drugs.

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Dagmar:

Well, depending on whether or not one considers people looking terrified to be a "big hit". heheh

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Fnc:

heh.. i use to have a lot of dj friends.. real dj's mind you... so i know what you mean

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PaulWay[w]:

Mmmmm, much better than those artificial simulation plastic DJs you get these days... :-)

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Fnc:

one of the neatest partys/raves.. well they had things projected on like weather ballons

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Dagmar:

"What's this metal tree looking thing over here?" "Oh, that's the 'wall bender'."

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Fnc:

PaulWay[w] was more refering to the slap a cd in and then quickly change to another one

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Dagmar:

LIne up your projected rectangle of light just right, and you can fool perspective with carefully uneven lighting

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Dagmar:

I am not a big fan of CD mixers.

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Fnc:

Dagmar a CH setup would be cool...

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Dagmar:

It's too easy for people to buy "the easy button"

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Fnc:

though, if your building one...

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** Como|Lappy pokes mythbackend **

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Como|Lappy:

something isnt doing well

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PaulWay[w]:

I suppose I count as one of those in a way – I use MixMeister.

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Fnc:

yeah.. my dj friends are all vinel

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Fnc:

vinyl however its spelled

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** PaulWay[w] plugs his mixes site at http://mabula.net/mixes **

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PaulWay[w]:

Vinyl's frickin expensive though.

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Dagmar:

PaulWay[w]: I don't have a problem with robo-mixes so much as the DJs who actually _play out_ and bounce around and act like they're doing something other than just pushing a button and sliding a crossfader over

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Fnc:

PaulWay[w]: here ya go

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Fnc:

http://www.stellarmusic.com/

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Dagmar:

Yeah but without spending some money on that Stanton stuff you can't really beat vinyl for easy realtime manipulation

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Fnc:

Dagmar: ever seen moby perform? heh

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Dagmar:

My gf has that stuff.

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Dagmar:

Fnc: Yes, several times in fact.

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Dagmar:

Prototype 909 is a bit more entertaining to see live tho

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PaulWay[w]:

So; is it possible to offload transcoding onto a slave backend?

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Dagmar:

He just brings out racks and racks of keyboards and synths and goes berzerk

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Fnc:

moby made me laugh, running a jumpin off speakers and stuff

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Dagmar:

PaulWay[w]: Yep

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Dagmar:

Moby is a geniune loon and I much appreciate that

[01:19:29]

PaulWay[w]:

Dagmar: Ege Bam Yasi is pretty wild on-stage too, for all that it's knob-tweaking.

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PaulWay[w]:

I'm getting an Athlon64 X2 as a games machine to play Supreme Commander.

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Dagmar:

Prototype 909 did a live show in ATL for a NYE celebration once and you'd swear the keyboards were on fire by the way he was slapping at them

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Dagmar:

I kinda had to admit to myself that I could dance that night. Heh

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gaspipe1:

hey all...

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PaulWay[w]:

I saw a very cool thing once with a guy with sensor pads on his arms and hands, and he was juggling balls off them to trigger sound effects in time with the music.

[01:21:24]

PaulWay[w]:

Is there a good howto or similar for getting slave backends set up?

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TSCHAK:

*cries*

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PaulWay[w]:

What I've read of the MythTV setup howto doesn't cover it.

[01:21:36]

TSCHAK:

mythtv is recording on the wrong input

[01:21:56]

TSCHAK:

no matter how i delete the channels from the non-HD input, it's recording the HD channels on the non-HD input

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TSCHAK:

$)#@$(@#%@#(%@#(%@#%(@#%@#(%!@$(!#$*#@$@#*%#@$*@#$@#*$@

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PaulWay[w]:

Or, the input is connected to the wrong channel set (can't remember the backend setup terminology)

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Fnc:

TSCHAK: delete all cards, and add the hd one first

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Fnc:

delete cards, channels...etc

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Dagmar:

Yup you've got overlapping channel information

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Dagmar:

You want the HD one "on top"

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PaulWay[w]:

I look forward to a day where we don't have to delete and start again with card info in order to get it to work right.

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TSCHAK:

Fnc, I have Cable... the HD channels are 8xx and above.. I only want that to go to the CableHD source .. for any other channel, use my PVR-USB2

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Fnc:

so i saw this guy that rolled his own media center thing... and one thing i totally dug, was that he downloaded the hidef movie trailers from apples site... someone should totally add that into myth

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Fnc:

sadly, im no programmer...

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Tronic:

PaulWay[w]: Are you familiar with TA Spring?

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Fnc:

TSCHAK: id run mythtv-setup, and check on wich card it first, and then delete any non-hd channels

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PaulWay[w]:

I know of it, haven't tried to get it working.

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GreyFoxx:

The nice thing is apple provides all of the info about the videos including cover posters via XML

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GreyFoxx:

I'd love to add a trailors (background downloads maybe? Maybe not)

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PaulWay[w]:

Fnc: Mikal Still has written a program to download video RSS feeds and put them into MythTV...

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PaulWay[w]:

Just make a program that scrapes the Apple site and creates an RSS feed from it.

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GreyFoxx:

scraping is troublesome when you have an XML feed directly available

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TSCHAK:

Fnc, I already deleted the non-HD channels from my HD source

[01:29:44]

TSCHAK:

and the HD channels from my non-hd source

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GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK: did you restart mythbackend, or do something else to force a show resscheduling after removing the channels ?

[01:31:08]

TSCHAK:

GreyFoxx, I start mythbackend after doing mythtv-setup

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TSCHAK:

but it seems after running mythfilldatabase, the deleted channels show back up :-(

[01:31:32]

GreyFoxx:

Do the channels (non-hd and hd) have the same callsign ?

[01:31:49]

GreyFoxx:

For example both are set to NBC isntead of one NBC and one NBCHD ?

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Fnc:

TSCHAK: delete em all and start over..

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TSCHAK:

GreyFoxx, the HD channels have a different callsign.

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Fnc:

evening GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

If they have a different callsign, and you have restarted mythbackend then should be fine.... depending on therulesof course

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GreyFoxx:

If the recording rule was record on any channel then it might be the other tuner, but if it's "record anytime on NBCHD" for example... well it should only match a input wityh nbchd on it

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Como|Lappy:

gah. I might have gotten X running on boot

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Como|Lappy:

but mythbackend doesnt want to play nice

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hadees:

any idea why mencoder wouldn't be able to open dvb:// but dvbscan was able to

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Fnc:

GreyFoxx: not sure if this was the one i was thinking of... but http://www.team-mediaportal.com/screenshots/p . . . ey,24/hit,1/

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Fnc:

PaulWay[w]L where is mikal still's program?

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PaulWay[w]:

His site is at http://stillhq.com

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PaulWay[w]:

Let me look in there...

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PaulWay[w]:

http://stillhq.com/mythtv/mythnettv/

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Fnc:

anyone happen to check out or have a zensonic z500?

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cyrexion:

does anyone know if the supplied fan/heatsinks for the amd 64 x2 processors are quiet?

[03:11:32]

cyrexion:

in other words, are there more efficient fan/heatsinks out there despite the supplied ones..

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Tronic:

cyrexion: There definitely are much better ones out there.

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Tronic:

The good ones cost $50+, though.

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Tronic:

Look for something that has a regular 80 mm fan mounted on it. Preferrably something that uses heatpipes to transfer the heat to a dense heatsink that the fan blows thru.

[03:21:31]

Tronic:

If the original fan is too noisy, you can get a real silent one at about $9.

[03:24:18]

Tronic:

Has a very good design, but the fan that comes with it is very noisy. Replace the fan and you have a perfect cooler.

[03:24:58]

kormoc:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/

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Tronic:

That's a good site.

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cyrexion:

what do you guys think of the Zalman CNPS9500 LED ?

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Tronic:

cyrexion: Bad, because it doesn't use a standard fan.

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Tronic:

If it isn't silent enough, there is not much that you can do about it.

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Tronic:

... or if it breaks down.

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cyrexion:

wow...

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TSCHAK:

question, to delete channels from a source in mysql, do i just need to remove them from the channels table?

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Anduin:

TSCHAK: That will do it (they may reappear depending on what you do after that)

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TSCHAK:

Anduin, they seem to reappear after a mythfilldatabase :-(

[04:23:23]

Anduin:

TSCHAK: If you are using DataDirect then you need to change your subscription.

[04:23:40]

Anduin:

(or trust the channel editor)

[04:24:17]

TSCHAK:

Anduin, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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TSCHAK:

I get it.

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** TSCHAK fixes his subscriptions **

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TSCHAK:

crap...

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TSCHAK:

there IS no way to fix this

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TSCHAK:

i'm gonna have to remove the extraneous channels after each mythfilldatabase

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TSCHAK:

ugggghhhhh

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TSCHAK:

because i have an HD and a non-HD input

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TSCHAK:

the HD is being done via firewire

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TSCHAK:

and if it locks onto a 5C channel.. well, you know the rest

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GreyFoxx:

If the channels are removed from the channel editor, AND from datadirect then myth will not know about them and hence will not attempt to tune them

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Anduin:

and since they are associated with an input...

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Why don't you have separate datadirect lineups for your different inputs?

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TSCHAK:

that's what i just realised.

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Tanthrix:

So, you can just remove what you need and everyone lives happily ever after.

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Anduin:

The next fun is finding one "close enough"

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TSCHAK:

okay, redid, now running fill :-P

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rt:

can someone point me at a reasonably up-to-date guide on getting a pchdtv card running on ubuntu 7.04 with both the digital and analog tuners?

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halkeye:

where can a get a runnable latest copy of nuvexport for mythtv 0.20?

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CaCtus491:

anyone in here familiar with the Shepherd grabber & Foxtel?

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PaulWay[w]:

CaCtus491: Yeah, don't use it.

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PaulWay[w]:

:-)

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CaCtus491:

lol

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CaCtus491:

not yet supported / not going to be supported?

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PaulWay[w]:

This is ripping off NineMSN, yeah?

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PaulWay[w]:

Or is this one that uses tvguide.org.au that I don't know about?

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CaCtus491:

um, not sure, it is the one that Shepherd automatically downloads :)

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CaCtus491:

'foxtel_swf'

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PaulWay[w]:

Where did you get Shepherd from?

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CaCtus491:

http://svn.whuffy.com/index.fcgi/wiki

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah, yes, the whuffy one.

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CaCtus491:

simply brilliant

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah, right. My initial 'don't use it' was ill-informed.

[05:03:00]

CaCtus491:

signed up to the Shepherd mailing list to ask about foxtel, but the welcome email doesn't specify what address to send list email too :)

[05:03:18]

PaulWay[w]:

This uses the tvguide.org.au / IceTV data as well.

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PaulWay[w]:

Have you registered for either of those two?

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PaulWay[w]:

probably shepherd@interlink.com.au

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PaulWay[w]:

If that's where majordomo is running.

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CaCtus491:

....I've always been using the ninemsn based ones

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PaulWay[w]:

The problem is that it still uses the ninemsn based grabber, which is a) illegal and b) nasty.

[05:05:16]

stephelton:

when i explicitly record something, it shows up in the "Previously Recorded" menu but i cannot play it from there (or can't figure it out at least.) It does not show up in watch recordings menu. am i doing something wrong?

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PaulWay[w]:

stephelton: what messages in the mythfrontend log?

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stephelton:

PaulWay[w]: hmmmm lets see

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CaCtus491:

PaulWay[w]: well, from looking at the logs, it says it has been using the yahoo7 thigny

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stephelton:

PaulWay[w]: nothing interesting. am i looking for something when i load that menu?

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CaCtus491:

PaulWay[w]: are you using Myth + Foxtel?

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PaulWay[w]:

CaCtus491: No, just plain DVB-T.

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PaulWay[w]:

stephelton: I'm wondering if there's a missing file.

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stephelton:

PaulWay[w]: when i load the "previously recorded" menu, no

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PaulWay[w]:

Does it show up in the small preview when in the previously recorded menu?

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PaulWay[w]:

s/ it / the programme /

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stephelton:

PaulWay[w]: when i load the other, yes ... i think there are... hold on

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CaCtus491:

stephelton: perhaps have a look to see if the recording actually exists in the recordings directory?

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stephelton:

CaCtus491: PaulWay[w] well i can dl it via mythweb and it spits me a .nuv file

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stephelton:

in the backend i see "transcoding of .... failed"

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PaulWay[w]:

maybe it's a permissions problem?

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PaulWay[w]:

Sounds a little farfetched, I admit...

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stephelton:

PaulWay[w]: well its o = r

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stephelton:

so maybe so

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PaulWay[w]:

who is the owner?

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stephelton:

mythtv

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stephelton:

but myth runs as stephen

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stephelton:

hmmmm

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PaulWay[w]:

And yet apache can see it.

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PaulWay[w]:

It doesn't have group or other read permissions?

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PaulWay[w]:

What about the directory?

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stephelton:

all can read

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stephelton:

dir is drwxrwxr-x 2 mythtv users 16384 May 1 00:08 mythtv

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PaulWay[w]:

This may not be the cause, of course :-)

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stephelton:

so the mythbackend process is doing the transcoding, and its run as root, right?

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PaulWay[w]:

Yeah, but it's also written the file in the first place, so it's obviously got use of the mythtv username.

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stephelton:

yeah

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PaulWay[w]:

So the file exists, it's the right file... do you know how to look in the database to see if the recording refers to the correct file name?

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stephelton:

bleh i could figure it out, but i loath mysql

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PaulWay[w]:

The same, but at least you know SQL?

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stephelton:

sure

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PaulWay[w]:

select * from recorded where title like '%Show%'; and prune it down from there.

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PaulWay[w]:

Hmmm – need to duck out to get a paper. Back in a bit.

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stephelton:

ok thanks for your help

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stephelton:

PaulWay[w]: yeah the basename field points to a file that does exist

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stephelton:

PaulWay[w]: looks to be a codec problem. "transcode failed with status 247" but i dont understand why i cant watch it without transcoding it anyway

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PaulWay[w]:

I don't know if 247 is a codec problem though.

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stephelton:

PaulWay[w]: yeah it says "unknown codec: "

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stephelton:

but has nothing after the colon

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gpd:

any idea what the deal is with mythweb versus mythfrontend wrt program guides – mythweb seems to think that there are things on ITV4 (UK) now: eg. City on Fire

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gpd:

also, the /etc/cron.daily/mythfoo seems to have gone from feisty's install... ?

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gpd:

weirdly: mythtv-backend says it includes etc/cron.daily/mythv-backend

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gpd:

apt-file search /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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gpd:

mythtv-backend: etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend

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gpd:

dpkg -L mythtv-backend |grep cron

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gpd:

nothing... very odd

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xris:

wtf is ubuntu putting stuff in cron.daily for?

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gpd:

maybe the lack of leading / is causing issues

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xris:

backend doesn't need anything to be cronned

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xris:

not sure what you mean about mythweb either.

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gpd:

the mythweb program guide differs fromthe mythfrontend

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gpd:

I presumed it would get the data from the same place

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gpd:

I think ubuntu edgy had cron for backend to run databasefill

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xris:

it does get the data from the same place

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xris:

gpd: backend runs mythfilldatabase on its own... but it wouldn't be the first time that the ubuntu packagers did something stupid contrary to mythtv documentation/etc.

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gpd:

well there is something weird going on then – I have 'city on fire' now on ITV4 in mythweb – but 'unknown' on mythfrontend – the tv has blank screen – so frontend seems correct

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gpd:

point taken on the ubuntu packages :)

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xris:

weird with the guide stuff...

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xris:

unless the timezone or something is set wrong for PHP

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gpd:

ah – good point /me checks

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xris:

I'd stay and help more, but it's after midnight and I haven't been getting enough sleep lately...

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xris:

'night all.

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juski:

morning

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pat_:

evening

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Tanthrix:

night

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juski:

pat_: why were you asking about theme maintenance stuff yesterday? just wondering...

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pat_:

well, you said you wouldn't be keeping the blootube theme up to date

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pat_:

and I was wondering how hard it would be for me to keep it up to date

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juski:

well, scratch that because I've put myself forward for the role of official theme maintainer :)

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pat_:

:)

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juski:

I was asked a while ago if I would like to do it & I was mulling it over for ages

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directhex:

argh

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directhex:

why do i always get this? i install debug symbols, and the bug disappears. t'is not the first time

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juski:

sod's law :)

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pat_:

juski, I explained to myself today why I don't code anything

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pat_:

juski: I tried to modify mserv to do my bidding and ended up with a mess

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directhex:

juski, the key with perl is never to try and read what you already wrote, lest you go mad

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pat_:

so my reaction to creating a mess was to write the pseudo code out where I wanted to put it in, and ask some friends if they would do it for beer

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pat_:

still haven't had a response

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juski:

when I did my first patch for mythtv I was asking programmer friends where I was going wrong. They had as much of a clue as me

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juski:

if it wasn't python, java or VB they couldn't be any help ;)

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pat_:

oh, these guys do c and all the good unix stuff

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pat_:

and it is written in c

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juski:

lucky this place helped me out & I managed to cobble it together

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pat_:

so it shouldn't be hard for them

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juski:

anyway I think where I've gone wrong with this config wizard thing is starting from scratch instead of just getting the data xml files written _somehow_, then dealing with updates to the files later

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pat_:

I learnt turbo pascal and fortran at uni, doesn't help me much with all these libraries, linked lists and object orientation that occurs in modern code

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juski:

OO is something that always confuzzled me, but I'm getting the jist slowly

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** pat_ goes back to folding the washing for a bit **

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Dagmar:

OO is not hard.

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Dagmar:

Just basically ignore, um, about 90% of the uses people try to get you to use it for and you'll be fine

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Dagmar:

People use OO like it's some kinda fuckin' allspice.

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Dagmar:

If you see someone using OO to do something that could be done with a small pile of hashes, it's not in your head... they're just stupid.'

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hads:

heh, I like that allspice comment Dagmar :)

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hads:

So true.

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directhex|work:

i never liked allspice anyway. cumin on the other hand is tasty

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hads:

I've just been playing with coaxial digital audio, am I correct in thinking that I can't control the volume from the PC at all? Nothing I do in Alsamixer has any effect.

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directhex|work:

ac3 passthrough?

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hads:

I haven't enabled passthrough in the Myth settings yet just unmuted the IEC958 in Alsamixer and it seems to work.

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hads:

Just enabled ac3 passthrough and it appears to be the same.

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hads:

I have all the volumes down in Alsamixer and still have sound so I'm guessing there isn't a way to control the volume of the SPDIF port.

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hads:

Bummer, now I broke it :)

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Dagmar:

Now you have twice as many pieces!

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hads:

:) Serves me right for playing with it when it wasn't broke.

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qu0zl:

hads, you can't modify the volume for the spdif, as that just passes through the digital data to be interpreted by some other decoder

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hads:

qu0zl: Thanks for the confirmation, that's what I suspected.

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qu0zl:

so you need to use the volume control on that decoder. It's a small annoyance :(

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hads:

Now I just have to figure out why neither is working now :)

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hads:

Although it's not a Myth problem as aplay won't play anything either.

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qu0zl:

did you mute the spdif? You can mute it, even if you can't adjust volume levels apart from that

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hads:

Yeah, I'm just trying to get analog to work again at the moment. SPDIF is muted.

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hads:

Something is being a little odd

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hads:

I'm getting a high pitched whine and audio through the right speaker with aplay

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hads:

But if I try to watch a recording with Myth it cuts the audio completely.

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hads:

Then there is no audio at all for 5–10 minutes, even if I mess with alsamixer or restore them to the previous state with alsactl. Weird.

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hads:

I guess the driver may have gotten into a strange state or something. A reboot inbetween recordings put it back to normal.

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doc__:

hi there

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hound:

Is there a known workaround for ivtv driver stopping to respond? I see on the wiki it recommends to use MPEG PS for 0.7, but that hasn't worked for me on 0.8 or 0.10

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pord:

hi here im trying to get mythtv workin on ubuntu feisty 64bit.... all i keep getting is Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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directhex|work:

when doing what, exactly?

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pord:

anything

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pord:

even when i was going from the set-up

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directhex|work:

if you expect assistance, you need to be clear in what you say. you're already into not-doing-things-right territory, as there's no reason root should be connecting to mysql except during package installation, and passwords are handled automatically at that point

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hound:

pord, is that a mysql error? Are you trying to run an sql script of some kind?

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pord:

ok i was following the installation on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . nd_Desktop_O

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pord:

when i then go to do the mythtv-setup thing and i notice it says acess denied

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pord:

i try the frontend and it just closes after i fill in the details and does nothing

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pord:

so i looked up troubleshooting and i was getting a root@localhost is denied access

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directhex|work:

do you have a backend installed and working yet?

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pord:

so im confused now

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pord:

backend installed

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pord:

not sure if working though

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directhex|work:

what does "dpkg -l mythtv-database | grep ^ii" say?

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pord:

ii mythtv-database 0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6 A personal video recorder application (database)

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directhex|work:

i'm still not happy about the root@localhost bit. what user are you logged in as?

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pord:

im logged in as pord

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directhex|work:

you have a username and password defined in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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pord:

i have no access to mysql even with pord which is wierd

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pord:

yeah i do

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pord:

localhost

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pord:

mythtv

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pord:

then db name and pass

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directhex|work:

when did you install mysql?

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pord:

b4 mythtv

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directhex|work:

ah

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directhex|work:

and you defined a root password for it

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pord:

but for some reason not getting any access to mysql and ive used it b4.... cant even get root access to it

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directhex|work:

run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" and tell the mythtv-database package what the password you defined for mysql's root logon is

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directhex|work:

the ubuntu default is not to use a password (hence "using password: NO"), so you changed something

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pord:

oh god.... not sure what it is..... ubuntu didnt give me the option for that... suse has b4 in the past :S

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directhex|work:

it would only have defined one if you asked for it. by default the password for root@localhost is blank

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directhex|work:

however, i'll be nice. it's probably been added to /etc/mysql/debian.cnf in case you need it

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pord:

thats clear

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pord:

i check the my.cf

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pord:

couldnt see anything there

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directhex|work:

debian.cnf

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pord:

debian.cfg is completely empty

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pord:

cnf even

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directhex|work:

or you might be able to get something with dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server

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pord:

ah wait forgot to sudo

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pord:

LOL

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pord:

oops

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directhex|work:

the fact remains you have a non-standard mysql setup, and need to tell your root mysql details to myth using "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-database"

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pord:

ok ive tried with the user and password from there and still get no access

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pord:

Failed to connect to database: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at -e line 5, <> line 1.

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pord:

Failed to create database (incorrect admin username/password?)

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pord:

It's also possible that mysql-server wasn't running. After install

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pord:

is completed, you will need to make sure mysql-server is running

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pord:

and that you supplied correct information. Try:

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pord:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database

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directhex|work:

it needs your ROOT details, not debian-sys-maint

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directhex|work:

if you've forgotten your root mysql password (and you definitely have one) then follow standard password recovery procedure

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directhex|work:

http://www.perturb.org/display/entry/533/

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juski:

hey watch out world. given up the nicotine!

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Zider:

juski: great :)

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directhex|work:

juski, good! yay!

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directhex|work:

juski, now you have more money for beer!

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juski:

poor kittens though

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directhex|work:

kittens?

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: he doesn't definitely have one

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: I have an empty mysql root password on my debian box

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directhex|work:

quicksilver, and you're denied access to mysql as root?

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quicksilver:

no I can get in

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quicksilver:

I'm not sure what pord did wrong :)

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directhex|work:

"Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)"

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directhex|work:

so given he's denied access when not using a password, i'm wrong in saying he has a password?

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: ah, I didn't scrollback quite far enough

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quicksilver:

directhex|work: my apologies :)

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hound:

Does anyone else get ivtv driver stopping to respond and have found a way around the problem?

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directhex|work:

i don't use ivtv

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hound:

I should try svn I suppose

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** juski suggest searching the maling lists **

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juski:

er.. I suggest searching the mailing lists, even

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a5benwillis:

Juski, I have a long list of questions to ask you today. Are you availible... :-P

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juski:

NO

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a5benwillis:

lol

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a5benwillis:

Sorry abt yesteday, I'll try to do better today.

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directhex|work:

you'll have to schedule an appointment with his secretary, like everyone else

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juski:

yesterday was priceless

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juski:

someone asking how to download themes from a website

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a5benwillis:

you handled it very well though, I must say. And I must say, THANK YOU, as well.

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juski:

I'm not the most affable person in the world, but you get what you pay for

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directhex|work:

tel dollars for both of us?

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bendailey:

any have a minute for a newbie question?

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directhex|work:

that depends on the question

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directhex|work:

and the baseline intelligence of the person asking

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bendailey:

ok let me shoot

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** juski ducks **

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directhex|work:

quack!

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bendailey:

I have mythtv 0.20.1_p13344 installed on gentoo default configuration I am using a Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 based analog tuner no hw mpeg support with OTA

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bendailey:

I began watching a show and about 20 minutes into the recording had grown to over 6G is this normal?

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bendailey:

I was thinking more like approx. 2G/hr

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directhex|work:

if you're doing the compressing in software, then that depends on things like resolution and codec

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bendailey:

I was just using the default nuv recording profiles in myth

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Dagmar:

Kitten killer.

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directhex|work:

try tweaking things, assuming you have a reasonable cpu. it's years since i've done analog though

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Dagmar:

You might want to set the capture resolution to 640x480 or 480x480 for LiveTV.

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Dagmar:

It'll save a little space over 720x480

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Dagmar:

Very little

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bendailey:

default was set at 480x480

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bendailey:

rtjpeg was set 170 for quality

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bendailey:

Ok I just went back to the wiki at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Parameters and saw that default params should provide 2200MB/hr

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bendailey:

Has anyone else seen this issue where records grow to quickly

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bendailey:

any hints on what I might have broken?

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** GreyFoxx reads more multichannel reecording commits and gets excited **

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imperfect-:

Anyone know how I can deal with issues of "tearing" using a Intel onboard chipset during playback?

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Dagmar:

Maybe enable vsync (if that chipset supports it)

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imperfect-:

of course

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imperfect-:

I can't even get Myth to playback ;)

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Dagmar:

Throw more money at the problem

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imperfect-:

I dunno

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Dagmar:

So how are you getting tearing with no playback?

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qu0zl:

good man Dagmar, we were all wondering that but didn't want to ask ;)

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Dagmar:

I can only suspect he's printing stills and his printer is jamming hideously

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jersht:

recommendations on a cap-device to use with my mac-mini and Ubuntu ?

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Dagmar:

A machine with real power.

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jersht:

?

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jersht:

cap card does the encoding – why would the machine need power ?

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Dagmar:

You know, something with a disk bigger than a child's sippy cup for starters

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jersht:

my hauppage based system was a p3–500 – no power needed.

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jersht:

heh.

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jersht:

you keep your TV on the local system ?

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Dagmar:

Good luck fitting one of those in your mac mini then

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jersht:

ok I will start over.

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jersht:

one sec.

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Dagmar:

Okay

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jersht:

I keep my media files on a fileserver in my closet.

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Cyberai:

Does anyone here know how I would create a second lineup for the same provider on zap2it? I need to have one lineup for one tuner (regular digital cable) and another lineup for the second tuner (HD Digital channels)

[14:27:39]

Cyberai:

But zap2it won't le tme do that.

[14:27:43]

Cyberai:

grrr

[14:27:47]

jersht:

any suggestions on a vid cap device for a man-mini + ubuntu ?

[14:28:00]

directhex|work:

jersht, the obvious suggestion is to shove the capture cards into the machine in the closet

[14:28:10]

jersht:

no, that is a workhorse fileserver.

[14:28:16]

jersht:

headless. serial console only.

[14:28:21]

directhex|work:

my answer to the question would be http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_USB

[14:28:27]

jersht:

sshd and samba are the only programs running.

[14:28:32]

tank-man:

you dont need a display to record tv

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directhex|work:

so run mythbackend on it too!

[14:28:46]

jersht:

no I know

[14:28:50]

jarle:

Any mainboard I should go for if I want "instant on/off" on my mythbox?

[14:28:55]

jersht:

but what i am saying is, the fileserver needs to stay clean and simple.

[14:29:18]

directhex|work:

sounds like a waste of a box to me, but whatever. i gave you a link which answers the question

[14:29:23]

jersht:

nobody logs onto it, the root is run off solid state device – it's a workhorse only.

[14:29:33]

jersht:

cool thanks.

[14:29:43]

Como:

hey guys, playing the first of the video recorded from my mythtv right now, and im noticing the interlacedness making it look like, well, crap

[14:29:49]

jersht:

I know there is a USB version of the hauppage cards – hopefully I can just plug that into the mac-mini

[14:29:52]

Como:

any motion gets all awkward

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jersht:

offload mpeg decodinng, etc.

[14:30:08]

jersht:

doesn't matter what my CPU speed is.

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tank-man:

Como, turn on deinterlace

[14:31:21]

directhex|work:

Como, that's what interlacing is designed to do. look like shit.

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directhex|work:

jersht, i'm making wild assumptions with my answer, of course

[14:31:58]

jersht:

are there indeed USB external tuners that do mpeg processing ?

[14:32:06]

jersht:

so I can offload decoding from my CPU ?

[14:33:07]

directhex|work:

that depends on the source material

[14:33:17]

jersht:

plain old ana cable

[14:33:17]

Cyberai:

Como, look in your setup and pick a deinterlacing method. If you have a fast CPU then Bob is best, some prefer kernel though to reduce the artifacts in scenes with a lot of motion.

[14:33:35]

jersht:

just basic cable.

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Como:

yeah, i'm noticing some artifacts, too

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directhex|work:

jersht, so you're doing analog recording

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Como:

would that be in the mythtv on-screen setup?

[14:34:44]

Cyberai:

Como, yes, it's in the myth frontend app under setup/tv

[14:34:52]

Cyberai:

I think it's in playback settings

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directhex|work:

jersht, which means an analog capture card of some kind. hayppauge make a box with mpeg2 encoder, but i don't know if it's supported

[14:35:26]

jersht:

yes. analog recording of plain old CATV.

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directhex|work:

didn't someone like pioneer make one, now i think of it?

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Dagmar:

If your machine can't playback SD using the CPU, it's not going to really be helped by a PCI card to offload decompression of mpeg

[14:36:22]

jersht:

miglia makes a nice looking one that fits right under the mac-mini but I don't know if it has a mpeg encoder on it

[14:36:45]

jersht:

Dagmar : well, of course it can, it's just I would rather offload it so the CPU has 100% cycles for other work.

[14:37:09]

jersht:

Dagmar : offloading mpeg has always seemed more elegant to me, in all situations. just preference, I guess.

[14:37:37]

directhex|work:

aha, http://www.plextor.com/english/products/TV402U.htm

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jersht:

alsoconfused: not decomp, but comp – mpeg _encoder_

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directhex|work:

supported in myth iirc

[14:38:10]

juski:

well, you can't buy cards with mpeg decoders anymore – other than the hauppauge (waste of money) pvr350

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juski:

and anyway mpeg2 is all they ever did

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jersht:

pvr-150 and 250 and 550 have encoders as well

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jersht:

I gueess they're all the same card, essentially, though.

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juski:

they have ENCODERS .

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juski:

not encoders AS WELL

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jersht:

right.

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jersht:

that's what I want – _encoder_

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Dagmar:

The 350 also has an encoder

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jersht:

ahh.

[14:39:13]

Dagmar:

The 250 is more or less obsolete

[14:39:20]

Dagmar:

It was replaced by the 150

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directhex|work:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Plextor_ConvertX

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Como:

bah, i cant seem to find this deinterlacer setting

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juski:

not in outer ubuntugolia

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directhex|work:

that's the device you want. and presumably anything based on the same chipset

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juski:

Como: utils / setup > setup > tv > playback

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jersht:

directhex|work : thanks for the help.

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Dagmar:

Como: TIme to put on your nomad hat and go a'wandering around the menus

[14:40:17]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, don't forget worldly goods tied to the end of a stick in a handkerchief

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juski:

better still a polythene bag

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Como:

ah, well deinterlace wasnt turned on

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Dagmar:

Yeah, the "no" interlacer really sucks.

[14:41:03]

Como:

hehe.

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directhex|work:

Como, well, if you saw interlacing, then it;s safe to assume it was interlaced

[14:41:16]

** jersht lets it slip that he plans to run backend+frontend on the same mac-mini **

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Como:

should i be using the pvr-350 output, or the system onboard one

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jersht:

(spooling to the external fileserver, of course)

[14:41:33]

Como:

setup seems to think video16 is the cards output

[14:41:38]

** jersht waits for heads to explode **

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Dagmar:

Como: If your onboard video card has any kind of GL support, you probably want to use it instead of the 350's rather primitive output

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directhex|work:

jersht, the mac mini has a powerful processor. it just lacks disk space or room for tuners

[14:42:18]

Como:

hm. im not sure what the onboard has, it just happens to have svideo and rca out, and it happens to work :p

[14:42:35]

Como:

i'll stick with that for now, because i know it works

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jersht:

directhex|work : right – so I am spooling saved tv onto the fileserver, and using USB tuners – solves both problems, it would seem...

[14:43:20]

jersht:

yes ?

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Como:

so commercial skip is in the playback as well- does that mean it records the commercials, but skips them on playback?

[14:43:40]

goreguts:

yes

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Como:

oh, thats slick

[14:43:50]

Como:

so if it makes a mistake i dont lose video

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jersht:

like, not even temporarily saving tv onto the mini – the recording destination will be a network share over gigE.

[14:43:57]

goreguts:

well, it skips them if you tell it to

[14:44:06]

Como:

yeah, i just turned it on in the playback

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directhex|work:

jersht, assuming you don't have any network latency issues, nfs locking issues, or usb bus contention issues, sure

[14:44:15]

Cyberai:

does anyone remember where you find the setting to tell your backend to transcode everything it currently has on the box?

[14:44:38]

jersht:

:)

[14:45:11]

Dagmar:

Como: You will find many people saying "OMG don't do that!" if you mention having it automatically chop out the commercials from the recordings

[14:45:18]

Como:

ok, so i made the changes- do i have to restart the frontend?

[14:45:23]

Dagmar:

Commflagging is pretty hit or miss

[14:45:26]

Como:

yeah, i dont want it to chop from recordings

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jersht:

even HDTV is fairly low bandwidth over a network... but you're right about the USB bus – I will need to be careful

[14:45:39]

Cyberai:

well, commflagging in the current stable version is *&%$#

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directhex|work:

jersht, and considering there's trouble enough with PCI bus flooding on most setups, and all playback is from files (including livetv, it plays from a file as it's saved) you might meet network contention issues

[14:45:46]

directhex|work:

and certainly latency. gige is slow

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jersht:

but it shouldn't be a problem since I am only recording SDTV, which is light...

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Dagmar:

I usually just have mine set to warn me about commerical breaks the first time around so I can just hit forward the right number of times

[14:46:21]

Dagmar:

directhex: It should be plenty fast enough for that tho

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Dagmar:

GigE will generally be on it's own PCI bus

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Dagmar:

...mainly becuase it can choke a normal PCI bus to death

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directhex|work:

it's likely to be on a PCIe lane these days

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jersht:

I should look into that, actually – because both the gigE and the USB are both onboard

[14:47:19]

jersht:

I should see how that mac mini MOBO is organized.

[14:47:23]

jersht:

that's good advice.

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Como:

uhhhhh

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Como:

okay, anyone using the mythdvd plugin?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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directhex|work:

ja

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Dagmar:

I do not bother trying to rip stuff with it tho

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Como:

ever have problems with aspect ratio? heh

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directhex|work:

my rip requirements are too high-class for a mere plugin ;)

[14:53:15]

Como:

im just demoing it to my girlfriend

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Como:

and shes like 'uhhhh.... everone is ovaly'

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directhex|work:

Como, i've only had aspect issues in mplayer

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

Sounds like it missed the aspect ratio

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Cyberai:

Como, what aspect ratio it the TV/Monitor you are using?

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directhex|work:

Como, is mythdvd configured to use mplayer or the internal player?

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Como:

the movie im playing is burned onto dvd

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quicksilver:

hit 'W' a few times until it looks better

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directhex|work:

Como, check the settings then!

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quicksilver:

(that's the empirical answer)

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Cyberai:

Como, what aspect ratio it the TV/Monitor you are using?

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Como:

its a standard ntsc tv

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directhex|work:

so it's not widescreen?

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Como:

no, pretty sure ntsc is 4:3

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Como:

the movie is widescreen i think

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Como:

havnt actually seen it yet

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directhex|work:

screens are usually 4:3 or 16:9

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Como:

well its definately not a widescreen

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directhex|work:

movies are usually 4:3, 1.85:1 or 2.35:1

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Cyberai:

Como, OK, in your setup/dvd/player settings it's most likely set to mplayer (that's the default as I recall). So on that line, add the option "--monitoraspect 4:3"

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Cyberai:

be sure to put it BEFORE the %

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Cyberai:

if that doesn't work, try "-monitoraspect 4:3"

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Cyberai:

I can never remember if it's one or two dashes with mplayer

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directhex|work:

no --longopts in mplayer

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Cyberai:

or just set it to "internal", the internal player gets you menus etc and plays as well as mplayer IMHO

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Como:

dvd player command is internal

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Cyberai:

okies, just use "W" til it looks right

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Como:

i did W, every mode looked exactly the same

[14:59:52]

Cyberai:

then your video card settings arent right, it's not able to change aspects

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Como:

well then

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Como:

maybe i should try using the 350 output

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directhex|work:

that won't improve things

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Como:

poop.

[15:03:21]

Como:

well, i guess thats another problem for another day

[15:03:34]

Como:

today i need to get lirc to play nice, because my remote isnt doing squat

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directhex|work:

ooh, lirc

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directhex|work:

have fun

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Como:

yeah

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Como:

i think ima worry about it later, got other stuff to get done today

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Como:

im just showing it to my woman right now

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Como:

and shes unimpressed by the bugs :p

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Cyberai:

Como, my advice is you try MythDora, it sill take care of everything

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Cyberai:

or possibly knoppmyth

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jersht:

hmmm

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jersht:

so it is myth frontend that does all the commercial skipping

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jersht:

so if you are on OSX and running only the frontend, you could commercial skip ...

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jersht:

is this true even if the shows were not recorded using myth ? like my old TV I recorded with Sage 3 years ago ?

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goreguts:

well... the backend has all the commercial skipping information

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directhex|work:

the backend finds where the commercials are

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directhex|work:

the frontend uses that information, which is stored in the database

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jersht:

eh.

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jersht:

but the frontend still has things like 30-sec-skip, etc. – so its no big loss I suppose

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directhex|work:

recordings and videos are treated differently

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jersht:

if you blow away the database, you still have all the raw recorded files though

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jersht:

I'm new to mythtv.

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jersht:

I did sage+windows about 3 years ago, and watched it all through XBMC, which was slick

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jersht:

but haven't done anything since.

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juski:

teh blasphemy!

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directhex|work:

you can rebuild the database from the files, i think. but no promises how well it'll behave

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jersht:

I don't know that i really want/need the database – I am happy to just pick files out of an interface and navigate with FF/skip

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jersht:

I'm not complaining, I'm just saying I don't know that I would miss the DB if it wasn't there.

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jersht:

I have used mythtv zero times. So I'll just play this weekend.

[15:30:31]

jersht:

mythdora or ubuntu ?

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jersht:

(for mac mini)

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Hugolp:

does anyone here use the get dat from IMDB option?

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Hugolp:

When I get the data from the movie, it allways tells me the director is Unknown, no matter the movie and I have check and the information is available at IMDB.com

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directhex|work:

imdb.com changed

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directhex|work:

you need a newer script

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Hugolp:

directhex|work: where can I get it?

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directhex|work:

probably from svn

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directhex|work:

personally i just use the script for getting artwork, i prefer touching up the info by hand

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Hugolp:

directhex|work: and where is the information so I can touch it by hand?

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directhex|work:

mythweb is the easiest place to edit it

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Hugolp:

ok

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Hugolp:

I havent installed it yet

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Hugolp:

thanks

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TSCHAKWerk:

hello all

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fryfrog:

so i have a silly question:

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fryfrog:

lets say a cable company uses 5C on certain channels

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fryfrog:

but if they have an issue, such as tuning to another channel *first* and then tuning to the 5c channel...

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fryfrog:

is that circumventing encryption ?

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TSCHAKWerk:

fryfrog: hmmmm?

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opello:

sounds like your channel change script needs to visit that other channel first

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TSCHAKWerk:

fryfrog: that SO doesn't work for me

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fryfrog:

no no

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fryfrog:

okay, humm

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fryfrog:

okay, lets say your cable box always uses 5C on everything

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TSCHAKWerk:

ok

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fryfrog:

but if you plug in the svideo cable, the firewire port is *not* 5C'd

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TSCHAKWerk:

.......

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TSCHAKWerk:

*blink*

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fryfrog:

is that circumventing encryption? illegal via the DMCA?

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TSCHAKWerk:

yes, assuming it DID work that way

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TSCHAKWerk:

......

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TSCHAKWerk:

....did you discover something? :-)

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fryfrog:

even though its... totally stupid and trivial?

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fryfrog:

no no, just a question

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fryfrog:

you ever hear about the cd protections that can be bypassed by holding shift when you insert it?

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TSCHAKWerk:

yeah, unfortunately it would count as circumvention

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TSCHAKWerk:

fryfrog: yeah.

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fryfrog:

or the one that you can bypass with a magic marker?

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TSCHAKWerk:

notwithstanding blocking root kit installations

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TSCHAKWerk:

or the magic marker trick

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TSCHAKWerk:

yeah

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fryfrog:

seems lame that that ranks up their with say, actually decrpting keys and such

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AndyCap:

Hmm, anyone here use the raid10 personality of the md driver?

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fryfrog:

no, just 5 and 1 :(

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fryfrog:

what do you do, feed it 4 devices and it just sets it all up?

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fryfrog:

or do you have to create your own raid 1s, then raid0 them?

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fryfrog:

(or the other way around?)

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: was hoping to not set up my own raid 1 and then stripe them

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Pryon:

debian etch, I've installed mythgallery but for some reason the menu is completely nonresponsive. I've got the picture directory pointing at an actual directory, but I get no action on the menu (all choices dimmed). Any clues? Abuse? Etc.??

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: raid10 personality should do it all.

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juski:

Cyberai: wtf were you on about? I don't appreciate getting msgs from people I don't know

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Cyberai:

juski – didn't mean to offend. I know 5C related conversations are off limits in the channel. I was just trying to get an answer without causing an issue in-channel.

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gardengnome:

re

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gardengnome:

Cyberai: /msg'ing random people is even worse.

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Cyberai:

oh it wasn't random, but it obviously was in error :)

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fryfrog:

AndyCap: how are you setting this up?

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juski:

lucky I gave my special powers back

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AndyCap:

have 4x400GB drives, raid1 for boot and LVM for system (25GB) and the rest as a raid10 for well, TV.

[16:51:17]

fryfrog:

oh, i see

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fryfrog:

can i umm...

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fryfrog:

comment on the sillytude of that?

[16:51:42]

AndyCap:

fryfrog: what? :) drives are cheap

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fryfrog:

Go grab 1 or 2 80G drives, use them for system

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gardengnome:

why would you add an extra drive for system?

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fryfrog:

well, its more that raid1 is a bit of a waste for TV

[16:52:24]

fryfrog:

independance?

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AndyCap:

raid0 is not an option for me. and well, raid 5 is just icky

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Cyberai:

wow, I did 1x30GB system and 4x400GB for vid storage

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anykey_:

AndyCap: why does it suck?

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Cyberai:

I set up my 4x400GB as a LVM

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fryfrog:

AndyCap: sure, raid5 might suck if you are some huge database writing bajillions of data

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fryfrog:

but i doubt you'd see any issue using it with *myth*

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anykey_:

or as a general-purpose file-server storage

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fryfrog:

I know *my* raid5 array does just peachy with 2x HD streams writing to it and pretty much as much "file server" traffic as i throw at it

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fryfrog:

I've seen it do 4x streams, but 2 of my tuners no longer get channels :(

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fryfrog:

and write speeds tend to be in the 70–80mb / sec

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: what controller do you use?

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fryfrog:

I have a pair of Sil "raid" controllers that are not doing raid

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AndyCap:

same I use.

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anykey_:

AndyCap: I have 5x 200 GB RAID5, 3x 400 GB RAID5 and 4x 50 GB RAID5 combined to an LVM volume, (software raid), no performance issues at all

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fryfrog:

Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114

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fryfrog:

... 4x50G?

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fryfrog:

or are they partitions?

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anykey_:

fryfrog: partitions

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fryfrog:

ahh

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: they're nice. :P cheap and nice drivers. (and they support hot-plug of new drives. whee)

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fryfrog:

just straight up raid5 of the full drives on mine :)

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juski:

oh for fucks sakes. just got some fans from "the hi sincerity electronics corp"

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fryfrog:

AndyCap: do they really?

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fryfrog:

i'm a little scared to try the hotplugging of sata :)

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gardengnome:

juski: are you working today?

[16:57:09]

juski:

gardengnome: actually, yes

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: yep. never tried removing though. but adding drives worked like a peach. (actually getting them mounted in the cabinet without removing pci cards did not. :P)

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fryfrog:

AndyCap: are you building something that is really write critical? I mean, gonna have like 8 streams or something?

[16:57:44]

fryfrog:

AndyCap: yeah, i don't think I could get drives *in* w/o shuting down :)

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fryfrog:

got room for 2x more 320G drives too!

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AndyCap:

fryfrog: no. At worst two streams from a PVR-500 + two transport streams from skystar 2 cards.

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juski:

got another 20 750GB drives today. all but 4 are now in machines

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fryfrog:

jesus!

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fryfrog:

20x 750G???

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AndyCap:

not sure if I'm going to let mythtv run the skystar cards though.

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anykey_:

15TB, nice :-)

[16:58:56]

anykey_:

AndyCap: why not?

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AndyCap:

Man I need a new job to finance this habit. :P

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juski:

fryfrog: that's ONE box of 20 750GB HDDs. the 2nd box in as many weeks

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fryfrog:

damn, what do you do?

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AndyCap:

anykey_: because I don't see mythtv being really userfriendly with 4000+ channels.

[16:59:42]

juski:

fryfrog: build prototype cctv DVRs

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fryfrog:

ah, cool

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fryfrog:

AndyCap: guess that depends on if you do live tv or not?

[17:00:05]

anykey_:

AndyCap: well, what to do with 4000 channels? :D

[17:00:15]

anykey_:

if you're not doing live tv that will work pretty good

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fryfrog:

it'd be one long ass listings page though :)

[17:01:46]

AndyCap:

neutrino/dbox2/dreambox ui copes with it fairly well. I should read some more of the mythtv docs first though. :)

[17:02:05]

AndyCap:

since it can group them in favorites, satellites etc.

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juski:

oh, something the PoS dbox2 copes with at last

[17:02:42]

AndyCap:

juski: hey, you can't be the top dog at everything. :)

[17:03:09]

juski:

eh?

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AndyCap:

mythtv..

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juski:

juski != mythtv

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AndyCap:

withdrawn

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juski:

pity dbox2 can't cope with network streaming so well. it'd make a fantastic tuner

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juski:

oh btw gardengnome you might like to know I've had my last cig about 6 hours ago

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juski:

and so far not taken anybody's head off

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AndyCap:

any substitutes? :P

[17:07:06]

juski:

what, like give up nicotine, take up heroin ?

[17:07:45]

AndyCap:

well, gum, nicotine patches, heroin, whatnot

[17:07:49]

juski:

I suppose at least with heroin you have less chance of dying of lung cancer

[17:08:03]

juski:

nah. going cold turkey

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AndyCap:

unless you smoke it I guess

[17:09:00]

juski:

gum makes me feel sick, patches make me feel dizzy & sick as well as irritate my skin...

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kabtoffe:

switching to #mythtv-users, first thing I see: lung cancer...

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** TSCHAKWerk watches Coffee and Cigarettes **

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juski:

kabtoffe: yeah #mythtv is the developers channel. #mythtv-users is where the backseat developers hang out

[17:09:36]

TSCHAKWerk:

oh wait, I can just watch this channel. ;-)

[17:09:40]

gardengnome:

juski: remember: you don't need it and it's the most useless thing you have ever done

[17:09:58]

juski:

gardengnome: you mean, apart from projectgrayhem?

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gardengnome:

juski: even more pointless, trust me on that one :)

[17:10:19]

gardengnome:

hum

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gardengnome:

half of germany got wasted today. i should, too.

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** juski looks fwd to tasting food & jack daniels again **

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kabtoffe:

juski: yeah. I just thought it was funny. It was about the last thing I expected to see...

[17:17:56]

juski:

so anyway, I can look forward to my nice big wide monitor in a few weeks :)

[17:17:56]

juski:

hopefully that thought will be enough to keep me going

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gardengnome:

juski: you should read allen carr's book.

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** kabtoffe scrolls up to see what juski is talking about **

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** gardengnome has a fit because he's out of EPG **

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juski:

why? I've done this before. quitting is easy. staying quit is the hard part

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gardengnome:

juski: quitting is easy, i'd done it so many times...

[17:17:56]

juski:

waking up in the middle of the night with the shakes isn't fun

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gardengnome:

juski: last night, i woke up because i dreamt of cigarettes

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juski:

reading a book can't possibly help me overcome the chemical addiction

[17:17:56]

gardengnome:

juski: the chemical addiction is not the biggest problem. you can easily overcome that in two or three days.

[17:17:56]

juski:

and anyway, since we're all gonna be worse than 3rd class citizens in the UK soon (July 1st), it's about time

[17:17:56]

gardengnome:

juski: make sure mrs juski supports you :)

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juski:

no way I'm gonna stand outside the Blue Oyster club in my leather chaps just to smoke a fag

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juski:

gardengnome: mrs juski will have to smoke outside. muhahahaha

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Cyberai:

does anyone know where I could get a complete listing of the video input cards supported by mythtv?

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gardengnome:

duh

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gardengnome:

oops :)

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juski:

dead battery?

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gardengnome:

no, i had to reset the CMOS yesterday. stupid NIC.

[17:18:26]

juski:

or hey you should call that machine 'epoch'

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Cyberai:

wow gardengnome, your computers from the FYOOOOOOOTURE! (Futurama reference there)

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anykey_:

Cyberai: well, basically nearly every capture card that works with Linux works with mythtv

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gardengnome:

juski: it's called "screwless". makes me cringe every time ssh wants to know the "laga@screwless's password".

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gardengnome:

damn. it's fscking now. i need to record something *now*.

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** juski reads "A teenager is questioned by police after his 12-year-old sister is shot in the head and later dies." in the local news. ffs! **

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kabtoffe:

who dies

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kabtoffe:

the teenager?

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juski:

12 year old

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juski:

anyway.. time to drive home methinks

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goreguts:

i'm trying to do nuvexport using mencoder but mencoder fails, anyone else have a problem using mencoder?

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a5benwillis:

quiet here today

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a5benwillis:

I cannot get mythweb to work. I've read everytrhing including the provided README. I keep getting internal server error

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doc__:

re

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a5benwillis:

I get this error in /var/log/apache2/error.log " <Directory "/var/www/html/mythweb" >

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a5benwillis:

Options FollowSymLinks

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a5benwillis:

AllowOverride All

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a5benwillis:

</Directory>"

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a5benwillis:

oops

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a5benwillis:

this error: Invalid command 'php_value',

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gardengnome:

google for that one. it's not uncommon

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** xris thinks it probably has to do something with an old version of apache **

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a5benwillis:

Well, If I click on phpmyadmin the browser tries to open the PHP file instead of the server processing it. Wonder whats wrong with PHP

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Pimpdaddypayne:

Anyone can recommend a site for building an ir reciever?

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Zider:

Pimpdaddypayne: lirc homepage? :)

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Pimpdaddypayne:

what is lirc?

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goreguts:

a5benwillis, i remember reading something about this, you have to add something in your apache conf

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goreguts:

a5benwillis: will any php work?

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sid3windr:

Pimpdaddypayne: linux infra red control software :)

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sid3windr:

google knows!

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a5benwillis:

goreguts: I got it working somewhat now

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goreguts:

a5benwillis: Make sure you have "-D PHP4" in /etc/conf.d/apache2

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goreguts:

ok

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goreguts:

(or whatever php version you have)

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a5benwillis:

goreguts: I think all I need to do now is run mythtv-setup to create the mythconverg database

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goreguts:

yea you should do that beforee trying to use mythweb

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a5benwillis:

I would have, but, I cant getinto VNC for some reason and Im at work so I was trying to dosomething constructive LOL

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Pimpdaddypayne:

can this be made without soldering? as the only soldering i know how to do is plumbing soldering

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a5benwillis:

Pimpdaddypayne: I wouldnt think so.

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praet:

w/o soldering? by buying it premade

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Pimpdaddypayne:

thought maybe i could use wire nuts or something

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praet:

soldering is not that hard

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Pimpdaddypayne:

I have a soldering gun, but it's one of those HUGE soldering guns, like 100W

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Pimpdaddypayne:

I doubt it would work on something like this...... and the other option is my torch + flux for soldering :D

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a5benwillis:

Pimpdaddypayne: Just go buy a $10 solderingiron and practice on an old PC board.Its real easy

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Dibblah:

Sorry – Wrong channel.

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opello:

hah neat nonetheless

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directhex:

Pimpdaddypayne, soldering irons that melt through circuit boards are officially bad

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a5benwillis:

Pimpdaddypayne: Plus, that's not exactly ahard thingto solder up anyways. Its not like its surface mount LOL

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Dibblah:

Try soldering micro-SOP.

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Pimpdaddypayne:

It's only 3 connections?

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Dibblah:

8 pins, 3mm wide device.

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a5benwillis:

Dibblah: No thanks :D

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Dibblah:

Etching the PCB is actually harder than the soldering.

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Pimpdaddypayne:

It's very difficult to see what is going on in that picture

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Milosch:

i just bought the kit to make my own boards last week

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Milosch:

photo etch

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jersht:

hmmm

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jersht:

is the OSX version of myth frontend based on mplayer ?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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jersht:

like, is there a OSX compiled mplayer in it ?

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GreyFoxx:

It's myth

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jersht:

err

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GreyFoxx:

myth is not based on another project

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jersht:

I'm sorry I don't mean mplayer

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jersht:

I have misspoken – very sorry

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jersht:

I mean, what does it use to play video ?

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jarle:

Any satellite-tuner cards I can use in my myth-box?

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juski:

jarle: any that work in linux

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GreyFoxx:

jersht: It's own built in player

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Milosch:

jersht: could be internal, or depending on the video it could use an external player

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Milosch:

if you tell it to

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jersht:

ok.

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jersht:

I just want to play DVD .iso files from my fileserver, with full menus working

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GreyFoxx:

external players are only used for non recorded content, and that's optional. The internal player can do that too

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jersht:

and I was told myth can do that, but I don't know if the OSX myth frontend can do it out of the box...

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GreyFoxx:

jersht: T he internal player/internal dvd player will do menus

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jersht:

oh ok perfect.

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jersht:

rad.

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GreyFoxx:

jersht: I don't see why it wouldn't

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GreyFoxx:

I haven''t installed it on my macmini yet, but it should work

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jersht:

ok ccool.

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jersht:

perfect.

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jersht:

(I don't rip dvds to multi-files, etc. – I just dump to an ISO)

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jarle:

juski: I guess it should also be able to decrypt channels using a CAM/card?

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juski:

jarle: in theory. one CAM/card per tuner

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Pimpdaddypayne:

hmm

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Pimpdaddypayne:

maybe i should find a prebuilt device

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directhex:

hang on, we're saying "CAM" out loud today?

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juski:

I find buying prebuild tuner cards makes life much easier. i was gonna design & manufacture my own but it seemed like too much hassle

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GreyFoxx:

directhex: CAM's are fine

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GreyFoxx:

Softcams are not

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juski:

softcams are for people who need Viagra

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GreyFoxx:

cams are legitmate hardware sold by providers fror their users

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GreyFoxx:

softcams are not

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jersht:

yeah there is nothing scary about a CAM.

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GreyFoxx:

unfortuantely in NA most providers wont consider selling you a CAM unless you are a reseller

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juski:

evening stuarta

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directhex:

unless you're breaking your T&C

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directhex:

ooh, a stuarta

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stuarta:

evening....

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juski:

jersht: so long as it's a _hardware_ CAM yeah

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stuarta:

directhex: if you need me i'm almost always in #mythtv

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** juski needs to see Mr O'Teen **

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jersht:

now this, on the other hand: 09-f9-11-02–9d-74-e3–5b-d8-41-56-c5–63

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stuarta:

i just don't come in here as often during the day, so some work gets done :)

[19:48:23]

jersht:

apparently that's super scary

[19:48:28]

directhex:

stuarta, i don't like going into #mythtv for what's essentially tech support

[19:48:36]

directhex:

jersht, and incomplete

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juski:

jersht: ffs. now we're all gonna go to jail in some parts of the world

[19:48:48]

jersht:

juski : nah if I write/work a softcam it's cool and the gang – as long as I don't use it to steal.

[19:48:55]

stuarta:

directhex: if you are coming to talk to me about an open ticket we are working on, that's fine

[19:48:57]

directhex:

juski, i'm scheduled to be in cuba in 2 months anyway

[19:49:27]

GreyFoxx:

jersht: We just don't allow discussion of softcams and their use/setup in here. What you do in your setup is up to you :)

[19:49:28]

directhex:

stuarta, is the latest backtrace any more use, or are packages causing nothing but grief?

[19:49:41]

GreyFoxx:

don't ask don't tell hehe

[19:49:41]

** stuarta looks **

[19:50:00]

jersht:

it's amazing that the very people that decry censorship and state control are the most vehement at complying with it :)

[19:50:19]

juski:

maybe just kickbanning folks who mention it right away would work

[19:50:25]

jersht:

there are actually people on doom9 forums that get up and angry and in your face for talking about DMCA violations

[19:50:26]

juski:

poof! gone!

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jersht:

if the DMCA cows them, who won't it cow ?

[19:50:38]

GreyFoxx:

jersht: No, it's got to do with this being a US based project and we don't want to be tied to torrent downloading or DMCA violations

[19:50:49]

directhex:

the first rule of CAM club is you don't talk about CAM club

[19:51:04]

juski:

directhex: funny, that's what the torrent club say too

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directhex:

juski, don't talk about torrent club!

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jersht:

GreyFoxx : like I said – if they got you to bow down, who won't ? :)

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** juski smacks his forehead **

[19:51:36]

jersht:

(I don't even know what a CAM is)

[19:51:41]

jersht:

(btw)

[19:51:49]

GreyFoxx:

You pay all of the legal fees to fight it and then I'll be in your court

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Milosch:

here's the technology, and there is what you do with it

[19:52:03]

Zider:

jersht: a filmed movie theater with DV cam?

[19:52:04]

GreyFoxx:

until then, it's persona nongrata in here :)

[19:52:04]

Milosch:

there is your problem

[19:52:06]

Zider:

;)

[19:52:26]

stuarta:

directhex: ticket 3317 we talking about?

[19:52:50]

jarle:

juski: I can't seem to find any list of satellite tuners known to work under mythTV/linux, you have any pointers?

[19:52:51]

juski:

that's my stance on the matter. we all know what the DMCA stands for is borderline evil/actually evil but nobody wants to be the one made an example of

[19:52:54]

directhex:

3380, off the top of my head. let me check

[19:52:56]

GreyFoxx:

None of the devs want to go broken defending your desire to torrent/reecord anything you please despite any agreements you have with providers :)

[19:53:01]

juski:

jarle: linuxtv.org

[19:53:21]

nero_:

does anyone here use MythTV for everything BUT TV viewing?

[19:53:29]

juski:

nero_: duh

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jersht:

nero_ : I plan to

[19:53:33]

jarle:

juski: thnx..

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GreyFoxx:

That being said, I don't live in the US and am not directly subject to the DMCA or any of that crap :)

[19:53:39]

jersht:

nero_ : I plan on just using it as a front end to stored media files

[19:53:47]

nero_:

(i.e.- as a HTPC for videos, gallery, music, etc..)

[19:53:49]

juski:

nero_: I wouldn't. it's way too OTT for that

[19:53:52]

jersht:

that I get from ... from ... I get them from finding them on my lawn ... or soemthing

[19:54:01]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, you'd be surprised. many US laws are written such that they claim to apply to everyone in the world

[19:54:01]

juski:

geexbox / Freevo / XMMS ...

[19:54:06]

nero_:

juski, thats what I was thinking.. but I am looking for a nice wife friendly interface..

[19:54:09]

jersht:

nero_ : I haven't done it yet, but I planned to...

[19:54:22]

juski:

nero: XBMC

[19:54:28]

nero_:

(and I've been using MythTV for TV + everything else for years now.. :/ )

[19:54:30]

GreyFoxx:

nero_: I use it for TV+Video watching, photo gallerty stuff for when visitors are over, and mythgame as a frontend to a few games... go TUX

[19:54:37]

nero_:

XBMC, I'll take a look at that.

[19:54:42]

GreyFoxx:

and as a upnp media server for afew things

[19:54:46]

GreyFoxx:

my wife uses it for tv + music

[19:54:51]

directhex:

freevo is probably easier to install, partly because it does less

[19:55:01]

jersht:

does freevo play isos with menus ?

[19:55:04]

juski:

I use it for watching recorded shows, videos & dvds. end of

[19:55:04]

jersht:

is that common these days ?

[19:55:08]

nero_:

gotcha.. if I could use it for TV I would.. but I cant anymore..

[19:55:10]

juski:

jersht: who cares?

[19:55:17]

jersht:

?

[19:55:35]

juski:

jersht: who cares what freevo does here.. you check it out yourself :)

[19:55:41]

nero_:

Would it be easy to take the "TV" option off the menu? Its just changing the themes XML file, correct?

[19:55:43]

jersht:

if you rip your dvds to isos on your fileserver, you need to get to the menus somehow ... and in the past that was very hard – it took XBMC like 1.5 years to get it going...

[19:55:45]

jersht:

ok.

[19:55:50]

a5benwillis:

Can someone tell me what runlevel to symlink a script to so that it runs at startup in Ubuntu???

[19:55:55]

juski:

mythtv has no 'competitors' so nobody here is dutybound to keep tabs on it

[19:55:55]

GreyFoxx:

nero_:L Yeah, just comment out a line in the XML file

[19:56:20]

nero_:

GreyFoxx, last question- is it possible to run Mythtv-setup to get the backend all registered, etc.. but specify no TV input?

[19:56:24]

juski:

a5benwillis: easier to put it in rc.local

[19:56:32]

juski:

or .xinitrc

[19:56:33]

GreyFoxx:

nero_: sure

[19:56:35]

juski:

or a session file

[19:56:46]

juski:

or RTFM on Ubuntu mythtv in their community docs

[19:56:46]

Milosch:

but, it's probably runlevel 2

[19:56:50]

a5benwillis:

juski: Put the whole scrip in or include it?

[19:56:56]

directhex:

a5benwillis, 2. ubuntu runs everything at runlevel 2. but generally, use rc.local

[19:57:02]

Milosch:

if it's a true init script

[19:57:03]

a5benwillis:

thanks!

[19:57:08]

nero_:

GreyFoxx, great.. thanks.. I think thats what I'll do, as my wife is very familiar with mythtv, so rather than shake things up and install something new, stick with myth for everything but the DVR.

[19:57:28]

juski:

never mind the kittens I dunno if this keyboard can take the punishment anymore

[19:57:56]

** juski tries to imagine how nice his new monitor will look in place of the shitty gigabyte one **

[19:58:01]

directhex:

juski, get a new one then!

[19:58:11]

directhex:

stuarta, yep, 3380

[19:58:18]

juski:

directhex: too early to reward myself yet

[19:58:39]

juski:

it'd be like "yay! no cigs for like 7 hours.. I deserve a new monitor!"

[19:58:55]

directhex:

juski, you DO need a 24" monitor

[19:59:05]

juski:

I know I do

[19:59:27]

juski:

need a one as wide as possible to stop me filling the desk with crap

[19:59:29]

stuarta:

now why didn't i reassign that to myself earlier...

[19:59:44]

directhex:

you'd get a chance to optimise themes for 16:10 displays!

[19:59:50]

juski:

fuck that

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juski:

myth can't even deal with 16:10 themes

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directhex:

well change it then! all those poor souls with 1920x1200 or 1680x1050 screens :(

[20:00:53]

juski:

serves em right, I say

[20:01:08]

juski:

oh. news just coming in. Emmerdale didn't record.. hmmm

[20:01:31]

stuarta:

however if somebody where to leave a screen like that at juski's house....

[20:01:50]

juski:

or rather it did, and there was just black screen & no audio... and the file is only 47MB for 30 mins recording..

[20:02:12]

juski:

stuarta: yeah I'd snap it up & stick to my 16:9 theme guns

[20:02:31]

directhex:

juski, sounds like my top-up tv recordings

[20:02:44]

juski:

must've been a fuckup at ITV

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stuarta:

directhex: basically you have two options. 1. run without using --verbose siparser, 2. upgrade

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juski:

so mythtv misses recording the odd show once in a while. it's never as if I've lost all my recordings through an 'engineer's reset' like the $ly Plu$ box

[20:04:01]

directhex:

stuarta, so it's a known problem?

[20:04:08]

stuarta:

fixed problem

[20:04:17]

directhex:

stuarta, in head?

[20:04:21]

stuarta:

yes.

[20:04:44]

directhex:

how would i enact option 1?

[20:04:58]

stuarta:

find where the backend is started up.

[20:05:13]

kslater:

n/away

[20:05:31]

stuarta:

likely is /etc/init.d/mythbackend

[20:05:45]

juski:

hmm not gonna get any perl bashing done tonight.

[20:05:55]

directhex:

ARGS="--daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile $RUNDIR/$NAME.pid"

[20:07:16]

stuarta:

does it load a defaults file?

[20:08:23]

directhex:

good guess

[20:08:28]

directhex:

#EXTRA_ARGS="--verbose"

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stuarta:

grep verbose /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

[20:09:09]

directhex:

2007-05–01 18:48:22.481 Enabled verbose msgs: important general

[20:09:12]

stuarta:

it'll say "Enabled verbose msgs: ......"

[20:10:08]

** stuarta scratches head **

[20:11:16]

hadees:

i am having a hell of a time setting up my Air2PC HD-5000 dvb card, i was following the guide on http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_QAM_C . . . _Tuner_Cards because the new frontend channel editor gave me a whole lot of channels i can't view. Now when i try to use mencoder to go through all the channels dvbscan gave me it can't open any of them, here is a verbose example of trying to view one of the channels, http:/

[20:11:16]

hadees:

/pastebin.sk/en/1498/

[20:11:37]

directhex:

stuarta, did things just get a little more interesting?

[20:11:57]

stuarta:

i'm just checking where that's coming from

[20:14:22]

stuarta:

this is odd. in the source, the only way ProgramAssociationTable::toString() can be called is if it's running with --verbose record

[20:14:44]

stuarta:

and i know record != siparser :-/

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stuarta:

directhex: you still have your source handy?

[20:16:48]

directhex:

stuarta, yes

[20:17:10]

stuarta:

go to mythtv/libs/libmythtv/mpeg/mpegstreamdata.cpp

[20:17:45]

stuarta:

search for ::CreatePATSingleProgram

[20:18:11]

directhex:

bool MPEGStreamData::CreatePATSingleProgram(

[20:18:14]

stuarta:

about line 336

[20:18:32]

stuarta:

there's a VERBOSE(... pat.toString())

[20:18:40]

directhex:

VERBOSE(VB_RECORD, pat.toString());

[20:19:14]

stuarta:

that's right. now wtf is that pat.toString() being called if --verbose record isn't being set

[20:20:46]

directhex:

aw fuck

[20:21:05]

directhex:

it's not set in the init.d script, but it is in the gdbcommands file

[20:21:31]

stuarta:

does it die without running it under gdb?

[20:21:41]

directhex:

yes. repeatedly

[20:22:01]

stuarta:

then if you don't mind, i'd prefer if you could test head for a week or so.

[20:22:16]

stuarta:

we fixed an awful lot of bugs in the underlying code

[20:22:21]

directhex:

i'll run a WAF check

[20:22:32]

stuarta:

hehe.

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directhex:

bah, that means rebuilding the plugins too :(

[20:24:48]

stuarta:

sadly yes.

[20:26:20]

directhex:

need to install svn first!

[20:28:58]

directhex:

at least i theoretically already have all the build dependencies

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stuarta:

what distro you on?

[20:29:47]

directhex:

ubuntu

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stuarta:

apt-get build-dep mythtv

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stuarta:

and don't forget the DB backup

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directhex:

yeah, build-dep i can manage

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directhex:

i already knew the correct voodoo to manufacture a debug symbols package, remember ;)

[20:31:22]

stuarta:

heck that's how i install all the bits i need to compile :)

[20:31:44]

directhex:

i'm coming down with the black death so i'll probably have to run the build tomorrow, but fortunately a dual-core chip is pretty fast at building things

[20:31:58]

stuarta:

no worries...

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directhex:

i was quite impressed at the speed of kernel compiles on the 16-core boxes at work

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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directhex:

and we should be getting our 152 core box tomorrow morning (though that was meant to arrive yesterday)

[20:32:31]

stuarta:

nice.

[20:32:58]

stuarta:

i was happy when i got a couple of dl385 g2's

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directhex:

0.6TiB RAM

[20:36:59]

** stuarta runs out of fingers trying to count that high **

[20:37:12]

** Zider lends stuarta his fingers **

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** stuarta still runs out **

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** Zider stays in **

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Zider:

hey, give back my fingers

[20:38:04]

directhex:

A mythtv/libs/libmythtv/mpeg/mpegstreamdata.cpp

[20:38:16]

directhex:

oops

[20:40:36]

directhex:

stuarta, so what exactly do you think is causing the segfaulting? attempting to perform operations on an empty buffer of some kind?

[20:41:11]

stuarta:

to be technical, there was incorrect handling of broken pes packets.

[20:41:35]

stuarta:

broken pes packets is directly related to the poor signal in your area.

[20:42:07]

stuarta:

your STB probably breaks up often?

[20:42:07]

Zider:

PEZ packets?

[20:42:14]

Zider:

yum!

[20:42:20]

stuarta:

no PES :-P

[20:42:36]

Zider:

stuarta: aww :(

[20:42:47]

stuarta:

directhex: anything is possible...

[20:43:03]

directhex:

stuarta, reception here is dreadful. and it's card specific? the cx88 never seems to cause crashes

[20:43:20]

stuarta:

some cards are better than others, just like STB's are.

[20:44:09]

directhex:

i had always heard such good things about technotrend and their "mature" saa7146 chip, compared to recent hauppauges with cx88

[20:44:14]

stuarta:

you are in a borderline area, the cx88 picks up enough signal to hang on, the other obviously doesn't

[20:44:30]

directhex:

at least i don't need to manually apply patches from bytesex.org to get my cx88 going anymore

[20:44:59]

stuarta:

finally in the kernel?

[20:45:54]

directhex:

it was in-kernel but unusable back around 2.6.12

[20:46:08]

directhex:

my old BE/FE box had horrible hardware issues. much like my new one, really

[20:46:12]

directhex:

plus ca change!

[20:46:23]

stuarta:

i though i was on an old kernel with 2.6.15.4

[20:46:39]

directhex:

my old machine was in "it works, don't touch" mode

[20:46:53]

directhex:

including 1-line fixes from random mailing lists to make the SATA controller work

[20:47:02]

stuarta:

nasty

[20:47:12]

directhex:

i do wish sky2.ko were stable though :(

[20:47:26]

directhex:

new box has unstable networking, and no support for one of the onboard disk controllers

[20:48:44]

directhex:

i'm under orders to go & play on the xbox. i shall return later

[20:48:53]

stuarta:

no worries.

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afterwego:

I installed mythtv through apt-get in Ubuntu. Now I have realized that the Weather does not work and I would like to install mythweater-revamp from SVN, so what I am wondering is will this just overwrite the one installed from a package or will I need to remove the mythweather package before proceeding

[20:55:55]

simon_c:

Hi All, Does anyone know of any scripts that can check the files in the myth repository all have valid database entries ? And vis a versa ?

[20:56:09]

simon_c:

or, is this a roll your own moment ?

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stuarta:

afterwego: there isn't much point, it's broken in head as well

[20:58:50]

stuarta:

simon_c: not sure what you are asking exactly?

[20:59:11]

afterwego:

alright, so it would be best to just leave it alone until fixed then?

[20:59:31]

stuarta:

afterwego: that would be wise

[20:59:59]

afterwego:

Alright Thanks

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simon_c:

stuarta, I think my disks have files that have been deleted from the myth database, but not from disk. So I wanted a script to check that each file in the mythdata/store area has a corresponding database entry.

[21:00:23]

simon_c:

And, ideally, check that each database entry has an existing file.

[21:00:39]

stuarta:

a righto, there's something in contrib for that i believe

[21:01:13]

gnome42:

contrib/myth.find_orphans.pl ?

[21:01:25]

simon_c:

ahh yes. That sounds fammiliar now !!. Spend 10 mins googling for it, and never thought about looking in contrib

[21:01:33]

simon_c:

thanks

[21:01:55]

gnome42:

sure np :)

[21:04:08]

stuarta:

anyone got any favourite uk hosting providers

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simon_c:

stuarta, I use memset for some virtual server hosting. Servers in the UK and US I think. Very helpful company. http://memset.co.uk/

[21:06:18]

stuarta:

currently undecided on virtual or dedicated...

[21:07:22]

simon_c:

stuarta, They do both.

[21:08:56]

Beirdo:

you brits are always awake aren't ya? ;)

[21:09:17]

simon_c:

lol

[21:09:18]

stuarta:

nah, they are always in the pub

[21:09:26]

Beirdo:

ahhh, that would be it

[21:09:37]

Beirdo:

I could use a pint

[21:09:49]

stuarta:

fetch, puppy, fetch

[21:09:51]

Beirdo:

too bad the beer in Puerto Rico is worse than the mega-brews in the US

[21:10:19]

Beirdo:

American beer is better than the local swill, and that's just sad

[21:10:33]

stuarta:

considering american beer is crap

[21:10:38]

Beirdo:

got a bottle of Stoli in the freezer though

[21:10:44]

stuarta:

mmmm

[21:11:14]

Beirdo:

not quite beer, but ice-cold vodka's rather... satisfying

[21:11:50]

simon_c:

that reminds me. Got a bottle of cider in the fridge that needs to be drunk.

[21:12:31]

Beirdo:

got some port too, but not in the mood

[21:12:31]

Beirdo:

oh, and some VERY cinnamony rum ;)

[21:12:38]

Beirdo:

we soaked like 20 sticks of cinnamon in a 1.5L bottle of rum.

[21:12:54]

simon_c:

blahh.

[21:13:01]

simon_c:

give me a nice single malt any day.

[21:13:19]

Beirdo:

frigging firewater, but good for making a drink my wife likes (with coconut, etc)

[21:13:30]

** stuarta is currently attacking an 18yr old cask strength single malt **

[21:13:45]

Beirdo:

yeah well... PR has good rums

[21:13:56]

Beirdo:

that's one thing they definitely got right here

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simon_c:

nice

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Beirdo:

:)

[21:14:12]

Beirdo:

Bacardi's HQ is about 2km from where I got married.

[21:14:32]

stuarta:

who needs beer when rum is available

[21:14:34]

Beirdo:

and Bacardi's considered substandard rum here. heh

[21:14:43]

stuarta:

well it is

[21:14:52]

Beirdo:

DonQ, much better

[21:14:56]

stuarta:

mmmm

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Beirdo:

made at the south side of the island

[21:15:07]

Beirdo:

Bacardi's at the north side :)

[21:15:32]

Beirdo:

I still prefer Havana Club, but this being US-lite, we don't get Cuban goods here

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simon_c:

I've a 10 yr old cask streangth laphroaig. Which is nice.

[21:15:49]

Beirdo:

nice

[21:15:59]

Beirdo:

I haven't had scotch for a little over a year

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Beirdo:

since I moved here, actually

[21:16:42]

Beirdo:

I had quite a collection in Toronto... gave it all to coworkers to finish

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grndslm:

it's not possible to deinterlace with both kernel & bob filters, is it??

[21:30:15]

grndslm:

ahem...on playback, is it [would it be] possible to use 2 deinterlace filters at the same time — kernel & bob??

[21:30:29]

gnome42:

grndslm: that's correct I think. Only one method, most prefer bob

[21:30:53]

grndslm:

silly, kernel looks waaaay better, but framerate is definitely a lil slow

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gnome42:

really? is it HD?

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grndslm:

analog

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gnome42:

shouldn't be slow

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grndslm:

well, with kernel filter...motion blur is undetectable to me, but framerate's not nearly as good as bob filter...and vice versa with the quality, bob's motion blur is unbearable

[21:32:55]

gnome42:

are you running the frontend with -v playback? it gives framerate stats

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grndslm:

lemme restart it

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gnome42:

oh, that might be xtra debug info that has to be enabled in the source :/

[21:35:04]

GreyFoxx:

Nah, I think it's just a -v flag

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gnome42:

GreyFoxx: ok, good. :)

[21:35:44]

grndslm:

gnome42: k, i see it...

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grndslm:

-v playback

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grndslm:

did the trick

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grndslm:

-v wouldn't start

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zdzisekg:

anyone knows what might be causing playback problems of HD content using XvMC. The strange part is that anything other then 1x time stratch works just fine.

[21:36:13]

GreyFoxx:

you have to give -v a parameters

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gnome42:

grndslm: on SD material your framerate should be pretty stable and good no matter what deint method you choose.

[21:37:36]

grndslm:

it definitely looked choppy immediately after using bob, but maybe it was just a scene, or my brain shorting out. . .

[21:37:45]

gnome42:

grndslm: oh, try setting the deint manually too via the OSD menu

[21:38:19]

grndslm:

hmm...k

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gnome42:

the autodeint can sometimes 'flutter' the deint on/off

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gnome42:

'Video Scan' on the OSD menu

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gnome42:

'M' key then up, up, right

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grndslm:

yea, i found it...how do they relate to the filters?

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grndslm:

normal and reversed?

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gnome42:

normal

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grndslm:

progressive looks pretty bad

[21:41:14]

gnome42:

they turn the deint on/off

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gnome42:

someone added automatic deint detection a while ago, so now it switches the deint on/off depending on whether the

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directhex:

Beirdo, bacardi's 8-year stuff is okay. the regular white rum is swill though

[21:42:27]

gnome42:

material is progressive or not.

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directhex:

Beirdo, looking forward to getting married in rum-friendly cuba

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Beirdo:

the 151's pretty good :)

[21:42:50]

Beirdo:

yeah, you should find some good stuff there

[21:43:09]

Beirdo:

hopefully your wife-to-be lets you try a cuban cigar or two too :)

[21:43:23]

GreyFoxx:

directhex: Sounds like fun.I got married in the Dominican last year... DEfinately nicer than a traditional wedding.

[21:43:37]

directhex:

i don't smoke

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Beirdo:

ah, you ain't missing much

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directhex:

and cuban cigars have fallen behind, since the tobacco crops haven't been properly fertilized since the fall of the soviet union. still the highest standards of manufacture, but crap tobacco

[21:44:37]

Beirdo:

I smoked cigars for a while though... I prefer the Dominican and Hondurans

[21:44:58]

Beirdo:

milder than the Cuban (which is sometimes quite harsh in flavor)

[21:45:34]

Beirdo:

but me wife hates the smell, so no more cigars for me until she says otherwise. :)

[21:45:58]

directhex:

looking forward to it. 2 months until we fly out

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Beirdo:

you should have a great time. Be sure to keep your sunblock around and handy :)

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gnome42:

Beirdo/directhex: jeeze guys, you are really making me thirsty! :)

[21:46:34]

directhex:

SPF 50 knowing me

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Beirdo:

trust me, sunburn on the honeymoon is not fun

[21:48:13]

Beirdo:

this rainy weather for the past week has been pissin me off. The joys of spring in the Caribbean, I guess

[21:48:20]

directhex:

my first visit to an oppressive pseudo-communist third-world regime

[21:48:27]

directhex:

not counting the USA

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Beirdo:

hehe :)

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Beirdo:

well put

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Beirdo:

I went to Hungary... which is a formerly-communist first-world regime country

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hads:

sunburn on the honeymoon is not fun, I agree.

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Beirdo:

heh, it was a nice weekend

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directhex:

i wonder whether the 2 us vista stamps in my passport will cause an issue

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Beirdo:

I don't think they care

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directhex:

or whether a cuban visa stamp will cause future issues entering the US

[21:49:53]

Beirdo:

the US might care if they see Cuba though, so hopefully they put it on a page to "insert" into the passport

[21:50:01]

directhex:

considering as a human being i'm liable for something retarded like a 6-figure fine from the US government for admitting cuba's government exists

[21:50:04]

janneg:

directhex: it shouldn't be an issue to get a second passport

[21:50:05]

Beirdo:

but you ain't American, so...

[21:50:37]

directhex:

Beirdo, the helms-burton act is worded so it applies globally. however, a number of other laws in other countries make it illegal to obey that law

[21:50:37]

Beirdo:

and that's not a bad idea, just get a replacement before going to the US again :)

[21:51:02]

janneg:

it is at least no problem in germany

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murray_:

hellos ... todays question – can I edit the values in the callsign or name columns of the mythtvweb channel editor?

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murray_:

I want to turn "Some Long Channel name" into a shorter ident on screen and in the EPG

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Beirdo:

well, the US is dumb anyways. One of my friends worked in Cuba for a couple of weeks then went to the US several times after, but who knows what their latest retardation is

[21:52:02]

Beirdo:

murray_, try it and see

[21:52:40]

murray_:

well, it says at the top of the page "here be dragons" ... I was hoping someone could offer some wisdom, or else help me find the appropriate docs

[21:52:59]

mchou:

Beirdo: you have a US passport now or canadian?

[21:53:05]

Beirdo:

Canadian

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Beirdo:

and a green card

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directhex:

janneg, technically germans ae covered by the helms-burton act. but they're also covered by EC regulation 2271/96 which entitles you to a refund from your government for any fines applied by the US for dealing with cuba

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mchou:

Beirdo: can you get two canadian passports at the same time?

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

hi – can anybody recommend a pci-express or usb card/box that supports hardware encoding?

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mchou:

Beirdo: cause I do that with my US passports

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Beirdo:

nope, you have to invalidate the older one

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Beirdo:

but you can get it replaced

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mchou:

Beirdo: one for "problem" countries

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

(pal 50, uk)

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xris:

mchou: you can only have 2 passports in special occasions...

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mchou:

Beirdo: another for "goody goody" countries

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murray_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Channel_table seems to suggest callsign is used to de-dupe identical stations from different inputs, so I guess name is the one to twea

[21:54:22]

murray_:

k

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xris:

mchou: specifically: Syria and Israel

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directhex:

i could get a french passport if i wanted

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mchou:

xris: that's BS. plenty of academics have 2 passports

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xris:

mchou: still have to apply for them special

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mchou:

there are also countries in Africa

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Beirdo:

anyways...

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xris:

always wanted to take a trip to Syria so I could get a second one.. but mine expires next year, and I won't get there before it expires.

[21:55:30]

directhex:

offtopic!

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Beirdo:

getting a replacement after visiting Cuba may not be the worst idea ever

[21:55:53]

Beirdo:

topic? what topic? :)

[21:56:08]

directhex:

i'm of more value to the US than it is to me

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mchou:

anyone have a 754 ATX mobo they wanna sell me?

[21:56:26]

directhex:

we only stopped haviong a departmental block on trips to .us last year

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mchou:

who here has experience with removing SMT components?

[21:57:33]

directhex:

canada deserves cake for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfrey-Milliken_Bill

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directhex:

symmetric multithreading?

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mchou:

directhex: damn man, surface mount tech

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directhex:

erk, that's not for the faint of heart

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mchou:

I need to remove a few linear regulators off the mobo

[21:59:12]

mchou:

ppl tell me heat gun is the way to go

[21:59:37]

mchou:

but not melting off other nearby components concerns me :)

[21:59:38]

directhex:

i wouldn't ever recommend going near a motherboard in such a violent manner. but i have a very shaky hand

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

mchou: big knife and gaffa tape

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mchou:

gaffa tape?

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mchou:

what's that?

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

duck tape

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mchou:

Super_Cat_Frog_: wouldnt that leave sticky residue all over the place?

[22:00:53]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

mchou: most likely

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

i think it would be the least of your worries though if you attacked your mobo with a knife and taped it back together

[22:01:14]

mchou:

Super_Cat_Frog_: dude, it's at least gotta approach professional

[22:01:45]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

nah

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mchou:

Super_Cat_Frog_: you're daft. Knife is used extensively in SMT rework

[22:02:18]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

i have no idea what smt reworking is – i was joking

[22:02:37]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

still slightly giddy from the football

[22:02:56]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

anyway, can anybody recommend a pci-express or usb card/box that supports hardware encoding?

[22:04:29]

directhex:

there's no pcie support yet AFAIK

[22:04:36]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

ah poo

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directhex:

plextor usb box

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directhex:

convertx i think it's called

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directhex:

well supported

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

i was looking at one of those, but read some realy bad reviews

[22:05:39]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

spose they could be more of the windows drivers / software than the hardware though

[22:05:54]

mchou:

drivers? what drivers?

[22:06:01]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

for windows

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mchou:

it's HW encode. mpeg

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mchou:

no drivers needed

[22:06:21]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

yes, but something has to provide the device node, surely?

[22:06:36]

mchou:

huh?? device node of what?

[22:06:46]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

somewhere to read the mpeg from

[22:07:04]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

well, not device node, but however windows represents devices

[22:09:48]

directhex:

hauppauge make a similar device too, but dunno if the current model works in linux

[22:09:54]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

eg: some software (kernel driver probably) will have to know the device exists, and present the device (and mpeg stream) to userspace, in the same way that the linux kernel has to know a serial device exists so it can create /dev/ttyACM0 and pass the io to/from the serial device

[22:10:22]

Super_Cat_Frog_:

anyway, thats not the point – does anybody here own a plextor convertx doodar?

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directhex:

it is time for sleepbed!

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

heh

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

arse. nobody in the uk sells them

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

does anybody know if there are any pcie software encoding cards available (pal 50, composite input)? if not, a usb box (preferably hardware encoding) thats available for sale in the uk?

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stuarta:

it's doubtful. mainly only dvb cards around

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

dvb is no good for me – i need it for cable ( i assume sky sports is encrypted, at least )

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stuarta:

more research is required then

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

rite, gtg

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Super_Cat_Frog_:

thanks all

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hadees:

is there anyway to tell mythtv that two channels are the same channel? i want mythtv to try to record a program using my hdtv tuner if possible

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netrix:

anyone know how to use lircd with two serial devices (one receiver one transmitter?)

[23:14:17]

netrix:

how do i load the lirc_serial module to support devices on two serial ports?

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rogue780|laptop:

netrix, what distribution of linux do you use?

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netrix:

rogue780|laptop: ubuntu edgy.

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rogue780|laptop:

netrix, I'm getting you a link

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netrix:

rogue780|laptop: cool, thanks.

[23:15:51]

rogue780|laptop:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

[23:15:54]

netrix:

i have been using a receiver for a long time and it works great, want to add a transmitter now.

[23:16:04]

rogue780|laptop:

netrix, this has a section on multiple devices

[23:17:27]

netrix:

rogue780|laptop: this looks like it may help, thanks for the link.

[23:17:46]

rogue780|laptop:

netrix, no problem

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chuk:

anyone know the status of the CX700 drivers for linux?

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netrix:

this is what i don't get tho, i want to use two serial port ir devices and when compling the lirc drivers it asks the the io and irq, so it seems this is being hard coded in the driver.

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shawn_selig29:

hi

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shawn_selig29:

i have a question,

[23:35:43]

shawn_selig29:

will this computer be able to run mythtv as a pvr center system:

[23:35:44]

** GreyFoxx waves hi to a fellow Haligonian **

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shawn_selig29:

ASUS P4B MB

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shawn_selig29:

Intel P4 1.6GHz 478-pin

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shawn_selig29:

DVD ROM

[23:36:37]

shawn_selig29:

would that computer be able to be a pvr?

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GreyFoxx:

IF you are just playing SDTV that'd be fine. Personally I'd recommend a nvidia card just to save yourself some headache

[23:38:06]

shawn_selig29:

i could switch to nviida later

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shawn_selig29:

what u mean by sdtv?

[23:38:23]

shawn_selig29:

u mean not hd tv?

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GreyFoxx:

No idea how well the tuner on the AIW is supported though. For Analog/sdtv recordings the generally recommeneded cards are the PVR250/150/500's

[23:38:37]

GreyFoxx:

yes, Standard Definition TV

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shawn_selig29:

ok...so it will be a good media center machine?

[23:39:22]

shawn_selig29:

i plan on using it as my own pvr computer and have it sitting by the tv

[23:40:48]

shawn_selig29:

would be a good computer for recording...i blieve its ide too

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GreyFoxx:

That's fine (IDE that is)

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shawn_selig29:

then i will run media center 2005..... woul dit run that good?

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GreyFoxx:

I've never run MCE on any of my machines, just seen what others have run before they scrapped it and went to myth

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shawn_selig29:

is the machine heavy enough i mean

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GreyFoxx:

Last I read, and I could be wrong, MCE wasn't a good choice for software based cards (like the AIW)

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shawn_selig29:

ok

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shawn_selig29:

i gotta go

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shawn_selig29:

thxs for help

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GreyFoxx:

For myth it would be fine, MCE I can't really say

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GreyFoxx:

np

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shawn_selig29:

i'll try mythtv on iy

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shawn_selig29:

it

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shawn_selig29:

i will come back when i ge tit

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shawn_selig29:

it comes with remote for video card too

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shawn_selig29:

ttyl

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shawn_selig29:

thxs

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ircleuser:

hey guys, does anyone know what the difference is between the IR Blaster and the IR Receiver ?

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GreyFoxx:

one sends a signal, one receives

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ircleuser:

if controlling mythtv via a remote, wouldn't it make sense just to use an IR receiver? I don't see why an IR Blaster would be used for mythtv.

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GreyFoxx:

irc: IR Blasters are used to let myth control other devices such as a setttop box for people recording from the output of a STB

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netrix:

can ayone tell me if this is the right way to make a lirc file in modprobe.d: http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/5820

[23:47:36]

netrix:

i am trying to get lirc to support two serial devices. os is ubuntu edgy eft.

[23:47:41]

cyrexion:

ok, so it acts as a "universal" remote in that sense...

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cyrexion:

so, if I only wanted to navigate through the mythtv interface (eg. menus, play, record, etc..), an IR receiver alone would suffice?

[23:52:02]

cyrexion:

if I am able to change channels on the set-top box without going through mythtv, then I don't need to get an IR blaster, correct?

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GreyFoxx:

correct

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GreyFoxx:

and some prebuilt recievers are also blasters

[23:52:34]

GreyFoxx:

OR you can just make one with a few dollars of radio shack parts

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cyrexion:

so why do people get blasters? is this just so they can get away with using one remote for both mythtv and the stb?

[23:53:01]

netrix:

cyrexion: i bought these ones, they are excellent. http://www.irblaster.info/

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GreyFoxx:

cyrexion: Because if you are recording from asettop box... you would kinda want myth to be able to change the channel to the proper channel you want recorded

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goreguts:

anyone get firewire working in gentoo?

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goreguts:

they have how to install the libraw1394-devel in fedora, but i dont know how in gentoo

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Zider:

goreguts: yes, but not with a box :P

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cyrexion:

netrix: cool, thanks.. looks very affordable

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Zider:

goreguts: what needs that?

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netrix:

cyrexion: i built my own and they were so messy, the ones from this guy (Mike) are awesome. the fit and finish is excellent.

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cyrexion:

good point

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goreguts:

Zider: the firewire_tester

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Zider:

goreguts: and it's not in portage?

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goreguts:

nope

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goreguts:

hmm, maybe it installs it when i install libraw1394

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Zider:

could be

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quantum:

when I try to use the import cd option I get a crash. I see stuf like the following in the log Driver error was [2/1016]:

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quantum:

< QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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quantum:

< Database error was:

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quantum:

< Can't open file: 'recordedseek.MYI' (errno: 145)

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cyrexion:

GreyFoxx: "and some prebuilt recievers are also blasters" <--- any suggestions?

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quantum:

anybody know what the heck is wrong

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quantum:

probably a very complex problem

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quantum:

used to work fine

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Agrajag-:

quantum: sounds like your db is corrupt

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