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Monday, April 30th, 2007, 00:08 UTC

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Lee0r:

hi

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Lee0r:

maek its me Lee0Ric

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Lee0r:

i hade a disconnect

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maek:

ah, the master backend is what you need

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baxter_kylie:

What google images thinks is a 'medium size' image absolute boggles me.

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a5benwillis:

Guys, I have a real newby question about recording in Myth

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a5benwillis:

I recorded a movie earlier. It shows up under "previosly recorded" but not under media lib->"watch recordings"

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a5benwillis:

anybody :)

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maek:

a5benwillis: its the filter on your watch recordings area

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maek:

hit the M key

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maek:

to remove a filter

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toast0:

hi, any clues for no audio on only one channel (channel 5)? it's a pvr-250 (using ivtv driver 0.10, but also didn't work with 0.8)?

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maek:

a5benwillis: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

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a5benwillis:

AHAH

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toast0:

all the other channels where i get a good signal work fine, and it used to work (but i don't know when it stopped working, so it's hard to tell what I may have done to break it)

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a5benwillis:

tx

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maek:

is there some trick to adding video directories to the mythvideo plugin, Im looking at the wiki and trying it but it just shows me an emply list under folders. and it wont let me add things.?

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Tanthrix:

Works for me.

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Tanthrix:

And I don't recall doing anything special to make it work like that

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maek:

you didnt have to add them under setup?

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Tanthrix:

As it stands now all I do is make the symlink, then open and close mythvideo, and it's there

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Tanthrix:

Just did it a few minutes ago actually

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maek:

and what dir are you making symlinks in? /var/lib/mythtv?

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Tanthrix:

(Er, close and re-open, assuming it was open while making the link)

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Tanthrix:

No, /Network/MythVideo to me

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maek:

so at somepoint you added the /Network/MythVideo dir to the list of places to look? right?

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Tanthrix:

Well, yes. I set it under Setup>Media Settings>Videos Settings>General Settings

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Tanthrix:

The first option being "Directory that holds videos:"

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maek:

yeah, thats what Im having a problem with

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maek:

I cant figure out how to add a dir

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Tanthrix:

...what's to figure out?

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maek:

? It wont let me do anything

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Tanthrix:

Have you gone to the settings page I just referenced and set a directory to be your mythvideo directory?

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maek:

bah, im sorry

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Tanthrix:

No worries

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Tanthrix:

And actually, it looks like you don't need to do symlinks, just separate different folders with colons

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Tanthrix:

Symlinks are faster though then going into the 100 page long setup menu ;)

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maek:

yeah, indeed

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maek:

Tanthrix: do you use the internal player?

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Tanthrix:

I've had problems with it, so I made a special command that plays dvds via xine instead

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Tanthrix:

Seems to fail pretty regularly on most dvd ISO's that I throw at it, either by not playing at all, or by locking up and being generally buggy

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maek:

oh, maybe thats my problem, Ihave dma enabled but still get jumpy playback

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** TSCHAK seems to be able to use the Internal player just fine **

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: With regular DVD ISOs?

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maek:

can I add codects to the internal player for mythvideo?

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Tanthrix:

No, but you can use mythvideo to play back any file with any program, like mplayer, xine, vlc, or ogle

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Tanthrix:

Works great

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maek:

so I should no be using the internal myth player for mythvideo

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Tanthrix:

Well, what are you going to be playing? DVDs? divx/xvid?

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maek:

DVD's and divx and avi

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maek:

my dvd's play now, but they are jerky

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Tanthrix:

Well, the internal player can't do any mpeg4 stuff like divx or xvid

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maek:

ah ok, so I need to swap it out

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Tanthrix:

I do all my avi's (divx,xvid,h264, whatever) with mplayer, and I think that's what mythvideo defaults to

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maek:

thanks

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maek:

ok, going togive that a shot right now

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maek:

thanks

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Tanthrix:

So I suspect that your divx and avi's all work?

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Tanthrix:

It's only dvds that you are having problems with?

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, yes.

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TSCHAK:

Tanthrix, I can play anything I throw at it.

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Tanthrix:

Interesting

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maek:

Tanthrix: yeah, with mplayer they work

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maek:

but just my dvd's

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maek:

ill try dvd with external player

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maek:

thanks for the tip

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maek:

gota go watch some tv now, ive been working on this all day :) thanks.

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Tanthrix:

np

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Tanthrix:

later

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LennonNZ:

I changed mime to vlc and that plays fnie

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LennonNZ:

mine

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jon454:

hi everyone. i was having a mythtv problem i was hoping someone might have been through already. i am trying to use my sound card audio output instead of my pvr-350 for audio, but despite unchecking the box in the settings to use pvr-350 sound, it persists doing so with nothing coming off the sound card. i am able to play mp3s through mythmusic just fine so the problem appears to be with live and recorded tv. any ideas?

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a5benwillis:

dont you have to use a line in cable to the sound card with the hogpog card?

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Tanthrix:

A PVR card does hardware encoding, so the sound is encoded in the mpeg2. No cable necessary

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sunnyhours:

anyone able to take a stab at a silly lirc problem i'm having?

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a5benwillis:

ask sunny

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Fnc:

evening all...

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Fnc:

i just set up a mythfrontend... no tuners, or anything, i used knoppmyth to get it up and going quick.. i can see my recorded shows, but when i try to play them, all it does it kind of blink, then nothing... just the menu again of recorded shows... anyone know what i might have missed?

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Run "mythfrontend --verbose all > file.txt" then try and play something, quit, and check the ouput to see what error you're getting

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Fnc:

tanthrix... thanks

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Tanthrix:

NP

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Tanthrix:

I think I might have had that same problem when I setup my first front end, something about the IP address I think, but it's been a while

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jon454:

tanthrix – many thanks (that's interesting)

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Tanthrix:

jon454: Damned odd as well.

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jon454:

weird too – i have a friend running mythdora with all sound coming off the sound card and tvout from the pvr-350

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Tanthrix:

With no cable

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Tanthrix:

?

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jon454:

yeah i just confirmed

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Tanthrix:

sunnyhours: Are you sure you're lircd conf is setup right? IRW will only tell you what commands are being pressed if you have things setup properly for a more

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jon454:

he just pulls from the sound card to his amp

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Tanthrix:

for a remote*

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Tanthrix:

jon454: Well, maybe what the wiki says is wrong then. I've got a PVR-150 so I'm afraid I'm not much help

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sunnyhours:

Tanthrix: i'll double check but i think i have it correct. i copied it off another computer that i had the same remote working with. permissions issue?

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Fnc:

whats the place i can paste things, so people can go check it out... log files and what not

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jon454:

thanks for finding the link though – i can point to something online as backup for not figuring it out ;)

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Tanthrix:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/

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Tanthrix:

Pastebin gives me an error lately

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Tanthrix:

jon454: Glad to be of some use then ;)

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Tanthrix:

sunnyhours: Hrm. It's possible, though I thought it would complain. Have you tried "irw /dev/lirc0" instead of just "irw" ?

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sunnyhours:

i haven't. good call

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Tanthrix:

(Where /dev/lirc0 == whatever it is on your system)

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sunnyhours:

get connection refused

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Tanthrix:

Yet "cat /location/lirc" works and gives you junk when you press buttons?

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sunnyhours:

yep

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sunnyhours:

also got this in dmesg:

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sunnyhours:

[17179598.748000] lirc_serial: no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted.

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sunnyhours:

ever seen that? I don't get a whole lot of help on a google search

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Tanthrix:

I think that's normal

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sunnyhours:

okay cool

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Tanthrix:

And you're *certain* that you're typing things properly when doing cat vs. irw?

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Tanthrix:

If cat gives you something, irw should as well

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sunnyhours:

i still think there's a problem with how i set things up with the port (in the installation, and the /etc/serial.conf and modprobe.conf

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Tanthrix:

I think I was wrong about needing a correct lircd conf for it to work, judging by the man page

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Tanthrix:

Since supposedly all irw does is connect to any linux socket then print the output

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sunnyhours:

don't have that on my distro =|

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Tanthrix:

updatedb then locate lircd

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sunnyhours:

its in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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sunnyhours:

is that maybe what you're looking for?

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about because I use Mandrake

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sunnyhours:

ahh, i used to use mandrake

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sunnyhours:

i switched to ubuntu because "its so much easier"

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Tanthrix:

For me, lircd.conf has all my remote bindings, while /etc/sysconfig/lirc tells lircd which driver, port, etc.. to use in about 4 lines

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sunnyhours:

oh nice

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sunnyhours:

different than modprobe.conf?

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Tanthrix:

Part of which is "COM_PORT=/dev/ttyS0"

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sunnyhours:

is there a way to tell which port has something plugged into it right now?

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Tanthrix:

Well, I'm running on ttyS0, and when I do "cat /dev/ttyS0" I get a input output error

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Fnc:

Tanthrix: man this is long...

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Tanthrix:

as opposed to it working (and showing nothing) on ttyS1, so that might indirectly tell you

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Yah, it's a lot of stuff. You could do --verbose most instead of you wanted to cut down)

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sunnyhours:

might help....

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sunnyhours:

thx

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: That's why I told you to playback something and quit, not play back a bunch of stuff or use myth for a while ;)

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Nopaste it and I'll take a look if you want

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Fnc:

hmm

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Fnc:

i was only in there for a like 1 min

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Fnc:

too much to paste...

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Tanthrix:

Is nopaste complaining about too much stuff?

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Fnc:

it says no dice... any other thing like pastebin or rafb

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Tanthrix:

If so, just do it again with a new file and do --verbose most instead

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Fnc:

yup

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Fnc:

ok

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Tanthrix:

Why the hell doesn't pastebin work for me when apparently people are posting left and right?

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Fnc:

ok much shorter

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Fnc:

it didnt work for me edither

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Tanthrix:

Oh, ok.

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Fnc:

it says they are working on fixing things

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Fnc:

ok

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Fnc:

here we go

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Tanthrix:

Out of curiosity, are you using a host name or IP for the backend?

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Tanthrix:

(On the first general page settings)

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Tanthrix:

And also, on the backend, in mythtv-setup, what do you have the IP of the backend set to?

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Tanthrix:

If it's set to 127.0.0.1 or local host on the backend, that's most likely your problem. You need to make sure it's set to the LAN IP

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Fnc:

ill go check though

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Fnc:

could have had it set that way at one time, but maybe ive reinstalled since then

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Tanthrix:

It's on the general settings page in mythtv-setup, first page

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Fnc:

anyway to check remotely?

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Fnc:

or change it remotely?

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Tanthrix:

I don't believe so – you gotta get up and walk to the machine ;)

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Fnc:

damm

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Tanthrix:

(Unless you are good with mysql and can access the database and find it somewhere in there)

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Fnc:

ok be back in a few mins

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Fnc:

hmm

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Fnc:

i do have webmin.. it makes all that a lot easier

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Tanthrix:

You could always do it via vnc

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Fnc:

hmm

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Fnc:

nope its set on the backend to that machines ip address

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Fnc:

and on the frontend.. on the first screen of general... the first box asks for the ip of the frontend.. then the second is set for the backend

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Tanthrix:

Not on my box it isn't.

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Tanthrix:

First box is host name, second host port for me.

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Tanthrix:

maek: Oh, you're talking about physical discs. I don't ever play the discs – I rip them to ISOs via another system

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maek:

Tanthrix: ah, how long does that take?

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Tanthrix:

10 minutes I think

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Tanthrix:

Do you have xine or ogle installed? Just try playing with one of them

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Tanthrix:

If it works, then it's not a DMA issue

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maek:

I have mplayer

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Tanthrix:

And does it work alright with mplayer?

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maek:

can I change which player the mythdvd plugin users?

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maek:

not sure how to check. let me go look

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Are you sure you're reading that general page alright?

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Tanthrix:

maek: I don't use mythdvd at all, so I don't know anything about it

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: I just went and checked my front end as well – it doesn't ask you for its IP address. Why would the front end need that? So that's most likely you're problem

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Tanthrix:

xine and ogle both work

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Tanthrix:

xine is probably easier to get going

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maek:

ok, do you have a preference?

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maek:

ok

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maek:

i like easy

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maek:

also, would you mind elaborating on your dvd to iso importing process? are you just using the the dvd import feature of mythdvd?

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maek:

totem or gstream xine?

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Fnc:

Tanthrix: hmm i saw this.. and it might be whats happening to me

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Fnc:

I found I had to manually add a MasterServerIP entry to the main database with the hostname of my client computer in order for it to connect to the server. It kept defaulting to localhost, even though all of the UI-accessible settings listed the ip address correctly.

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Tanthrix:

(And ISO is just a straight image of a cd/dvd)

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Tanthrix:

As just straight xine as far as the package is concerned

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: So it's working now?

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Fnc:

not yet

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Fnc:

trying to figure out where to set that

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Fnc:

manually

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Tanthrix:

Are you sure that's the issue? You mentioned that the first box asks for the front end IP, which isn't correct as far as I know

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Tanthrix:

So, on your frontend box, in no place in the settings should you have anything but the backend IP address

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Fnc:

i changed that

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Fnc:

but on my backend...

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Fnc:

when i run like mythfilldatabase... i saw this line

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Fnc:

2007-04–29 21:50:46.179 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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Fnc:

2007-04–29 21:50:46.179 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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maek:

it seems strange that mplayer will play a dvd with no jitters but the myth internal player will not.any ideas? is it the codec or mpeg decoder its using?

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purserj:

win 30

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Tanthrix:

maek: All I know is it doesn't work well for me. A good chunk of the ISO's I try and play with it stutter or sometimes crash, where as using xine works perfectly every time

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Tanthrix:

maek: And xine works perfectly with lirc, so you really don't really lose any functionality by using it instead

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Fnc:

Tanthrix you know sql?>

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Tanthrix:

Not particularely

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Fnc:

or have webmin installed?

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Tanthrix:

I do have webmin installed I think

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: By the way, are you using a host name or IP for the backend address?

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Fnc:

IP

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Officially host names aren't supported, only IPs, if I recall correctly

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Fnc:

Tanthrix: can you check...

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MrGeoff:

Is there a setting that controls what any libmysqlclient-using program does?

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: And you've tried shutting down the backend, changing the IP to something, quitting, starting the backend, then doing it again this time setting it back to the correct setting?

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xris:

yay for a productive linuxfest northwest.

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Fnc:

webwin > Servers > MySQL Database Server > Mythconverg >

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: What field do you want me to check?

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Fnc:

then edit the settings table > click on hostname > whats in default value?

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Tanthrix:

Nothing, blank.

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maek:

Tanthrix: thanks. thats the last bit I needed to hear, im going for xine

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Fnc:

hmm

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Fnc:

click view data button on that screen

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Have you tried what I just said? Setting it to something else then setting it back

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Fnc:

Table settings in database mythconverg

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Fnc:

on the backend?

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squish102:

any1 have an ATI HDTV Wonder? having problems tuning to QAM-256

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: BackendserverIP is set to my LAN IP

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Fnc:

hmm

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: What does yours say?

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Fnc:

and you said when your run mythfill it says the ip, not localhost?

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Tanthrix:

Correct, so your problem is, as I originally said, that your backend thinks its IP is localhost

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Fnc:

my backendserverip and masterserverip are set for that machines IP address

[03:08:25]

Tanthrix:

What about the hostname?

[03:08:28]

Fnc:

just wanted to make sure.. its odd that in the database it looks right

[03:08:50]

Fnc:

the field i was asking about earilier? same as yours... blank

[03:09:04]

Tanthrix:

No, on the view data list I mean

[03:10:33]

Tanthrix:

Where it says "BackendserverIP | x.x.x.x | hostname" on one row

[03:11:09]

Fnc:

ah

[03:11:16]

Fnc:

mythtv (the name of my backend

[03:11:29]

Fnc:

ooh

[03:11:39]

Tanthrix:

So you're hostname of the backend computer is not called "localhost" then...

[03:11:43]

Fnc:

my masterserverip though doesnot have anything under hostname

[03:11:46]

Fnc:

does yours?

[03:11:51]

Tanthrix:

No

[03:12:00]

Fnc:

damm

[03:12:19]

Fnc:

err

[03:12:33]

Tanthrix:

Check /etc/hosts – you don't have mythtv set to be 127.0.0.1 do you?

[03:12:41]

Fnc:

hmm so how would you suggest i change the ip address...?

[03:12:43]

Fnc:

let me look

[03:13:12]

Fnc:

127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost mythtv

[03:13:55]

Tanthrix:

Put your IP on the next line, then move mythtv to be after that

[03:14:04]

Fnc:

ok

[03:14:09]

Tanthrix:

restart the backend, then run mythfilldatabase and see if it still says localhost

[03:14:25]

Fnc:

shutdown -r now?

[03:14:34]

Tanthrix:

I don't think you need to reboot

[03:14:36]

Fnc:

ok kill -9 mythbackend ?

[03:14:54]

Tanthrix:

Just restart mythbackend like you usually would

[03:15:04]

Tanthrix:

don't ever do -9 unless you have to

[03:15:32]

Fnc:

heh

[03:15:41]

Fnc:

uhh... what would a normal restart be?

[03:16:03]

Tanthrix:

...

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squish102:

Fnc what distribution?

[03:16:11]

Tanthrix:

killall mythbackend, then start it up will work

[03:17:31]

Fnc:

hmm dont think it worked

[03:17:38]

Fnc:

in backend startup i had

[03:17:38]

Fnc:

2007-04–29 22:17:05.199 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

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Tanthrix:

What does your /etc/hosts look like now?

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Fnc:

127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost mythtv

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Tanthrix:

I told you to move mythtv down a line, not copy it

[03:21:16]

afterwego:

I seem to have an issue with playback being to fast, so everybody sounds like chimpmunks and the video is stuttered. I did change all recording profiles to 720x480

[03:21:38]

Fnc:

so it should look like this

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Fnc:

127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost

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Tanthrix:

Correct

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Fnc:

ah

[03:21:58]

Fnc:

sorry misunderstood

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Tanthrix:

Not sure if that's how it should be, but for the sake of testing, give it a try

[03:22:02]

Tanthrix:

No worries

[03:22:21]

Tanthrix:

Then restart the backend, run mythfilldatabase, and see what it says

[03:23:03]

Tanthrix:

Actually, you know what

[03:23:15]

Tanthrix:

Well, try that first and see what happens

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Fnc:

nope

[03:24:40]

Fnc:

same

[03:24:41]

Fnc:

Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost

[03:24:55]

denis:

hello

[03:24:58]

Tanthrix:

hrm

[03:25:11]

Anduin:

Fnc: The DB stuff comes from mysql.txt

[03:25:27]

Fnc:

Anduin huh?

[03:25:32]

denis:

i have some problems getting a remote frontend to watch livetv

[03:25:35]

Tanthrix:

Well, make your hosts be like this now: IP address mythtv localhost.localdomain localhost

[03:25:52]

Tanthrix:

So, back to the way it was, but keep the second line you added, and make mythtv come before localhost

[03:25:59]

denis:

somebody has some experience?

[03:26:00]

Tanthrix:

Not sure if it matters, but that's how it is on both of my systems

[03:26:06]

Fnc:

ok

[03:27:26]

Fnc:

cool

[03:27:31]

Fnc:

what about on the frontend?

[03:27:37]

Fnc:

what cha got over there?

[03:27:51]

Tanthrix:

There isn't one on the front end, that's only for the backend as far as I know

[03:27:53]

denis:

2007-04–30 00:15:06.019 RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1000_20070430001454.nuv): Could not open /var/lib/mythtv/recordings/1000_20070430001454.nuv.

[03:28:57]

denis:

at least the DB

[03:29:19]

denis:

in the backend: 2007-04–30 00:14:54.263 TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

[03:29:25]

denis:

2007-04–30 00:14:54.266 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

[03:29:36]

denis:

[mpeg4 @ 0xb71f72e8]removing common factors from framerate

[03:29:36]

denis:

strange error flushing buffer ...

[03:29:48]

denis:

2007-04–30 00:15:01.023 TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Try modifying your mysql.txt file and see if that does the trick. Make sure you change your host name back like I just said though

[03:31:08]

Tanthrix:

Fnc: I run mythbackend as root, so mine is located in /root/.mysql/mysql.txt

[03:31:49]

Tanthrix:

Not sure if changing it will fix your problems, but it's a start

[03:32:02]

denis:

let's see

[03:32:11]

Fnc:

Tanthrix: whats you mysql.txt file look like on your FE?

[03:32:28]

denis:

nope

[03:32:53]

Tanthrix:

So maybe I'm wrong and it does need it for both

[03:33:54]

Tanthrix:

In any case, make sure they're both your backend lan IP, start the backend, and see what it says

[03:33:54]

Tanthrix:

That should fix the connecting to: localhost at least

[03:34:30]

denis:

i can connect to the backend but i cannot watch livetv

[03:34:46]

Tanthrix:

denis: Can you watch recorded programs?

[03:34:56]

Fnc:

hmm

[03:35:01]

denis:

ummm, let's see

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Fnc:

Tanthrix: now the backend wont start

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tcpsyn:

Have any of you modified the web page for mythstreamtv?

[03:35:29]

Tanthrix:

What'd you do to it? ;)

[03:35:37]

tcpsyn:

I'd like to move the button to the top, but I can't find what page it's on.

[03:36:30]

Fnc:

just changed the mysql.txt file

[03:36:39]

maek:

I can exit the mythtv frontend while its recording because the backend is doing the recording right?

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: What error does it give?

[03:36:50]

Fnc:

2007-04–29 22:36:14.815 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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Fnc:

2007-04–29 22:36:14.834 New DB connection, total: 1

[03:36:50]

Fnc:

2007-04–29 22:36:14.839 Unable to connect to database!

[03:36:50]

Fnc:

2007-04–29 22:36:14.839 Driver error was [1/1045]:

[03:36:50]

Fnc:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

[03:36:51]

Fnc:

Database error was:

[03:36:53]

Fnc:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'mythtv' (using password: YES)

[03:36:55]

Fnc:

[03:36:57]

Fnc:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[03:36:59]

Fnc:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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denis:

nope

[03:37:01]

Fnc:

2007-04–29 22:36:14.892 DB Error (KickDatabase):

[03:37:03]

Fnc:

Query was:

[03:37:05]

Fnc:

SELECT NULL;

[03:37:07]

Fnc:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[03:37:09]

Fnc:

2007-04–29 22:36:14.944 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

[03:37:09]

denis:

do I have to setup NFS?

[03:37:10]

Tanthrix:

You might be running mysql in a safemode that only accepts localhost connections

[03:37:30]

Tanthrix:

killall mysqld, then open a terminal and just type "mysqld" and enter

[03:37:53]

Tanthrix:

(Some distros add stuff like mysqld --safemode etc.. whatever when they start it up

[03:38:39]

Tanthrix:

denis: Not sure what to tell you, sorry.

[03:38:54]

maek:

Tanthrix: would you paste me the line you use to get xine working in, I assume full screen with nothing over laying?

[03:39:02]

Fnc:

Tanthrix: so if i do that and it works... when i reboot will i be back to the same issue?

[03:39:20]

Tanthrix:

Fnc: You can deal with that shortly, for now see if that makes your frontend magically work now

[03:39:59]

denis:

do I have to setup NFS?

[03:40:03]

Tanthrix:

maek: Mine is pretty complicated – I have it setup to mount an ISO in a special directory and stuff, then do symlinks and play the symlinks (to avoid a weird bug)

[03:40:15]

maek:

ah ok, nm.

[03:40:16]

maek:

thanks.

[03:40:21]

Tanthrix:

maek: But, for your purposes

[03:40:49]

Tanthrix:

maek: This should give you the info you need: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Xine

[03:40:55]

maek:

thanks.

[03:41:33]

Tanthrix:

Third line down, change your mythdvd to use that I think, and you'll be set

[03:42:02]

Fnc:

Tanthrix: it looked like it was running in a safe mode.. i dont have a mysqld

[03:42:15]

Tanthrix:

...

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Fnc:

have a mysqld_safe (was running) and a mysql_multi

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Tanthrix:

Oh, you mean you don't have one running

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Fnc:

i did

[03:42:37]

Fnc:

i dont have a mysqld

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Tanthrix:

hrm

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Fnc:

just a mysql_safe

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Tanthrix:

What distro?

[03:42:47]

Fnc:

and a mysql_multi

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maek:

mysqld_safe is the wrapper the watches the mysql binary

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Tanthrix:

Oh, you need to be root

[03:43:12]

Tanthrix:

To run mysqld

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Fnc:

i am

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Fnc:

i dont have a mysqld

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Fnc:

only the mysqld_safe and mysqld_multi

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Tanthrix:

Uh, I don't think that's possible if you have mysql working

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Tanthrix:

maek: Is that correct?

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Fnc:

they've just been renamed i think

[03:43:59]

Fnc:

or something

[03:44:23]

Fnc:

ah wait

[03:44:31]

maek:

the mysqld_multi might be the renamed binary, but if you have mysqld_safe running you should have the db running.

[03:44:59]

Tanthrix:

I've got all three

[03:45:06]

maek:

fnc if you do "mysql -u root -p" what happens? do you get a login or no connect?

[03:45:14]

Tanthrix:

Fnc: Are you sure you were root when you tried to run it?

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maek:

oh, I only have d and d_safe no d_multi, but this is debian.

[03:45:35]

Fnc:

ah

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Tanthrix:

I've got mysqld, safe, and multi

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Fnc:

hi

[03:46:05]

Fnc:

'/etc/rc.d/init.d/mysqld start

[03:46:08]

Fnc:

got it

[03:46:20]

Tanthrix:

No, Fnc, that's the problem – that script is probably just starting it in safemode

[03:46:25]

Tanthrix:

you need to run the plain daemon

[03:46:36]

Fnc:

hmm

[03:47:27]

Tanthrix:

You're sure you were root when you ran mysqld in the terminal?

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Fnc:

yup

[03:48:31]

Fnc:

[root@mythtv .mythtv]# mysqld

[03:48:31]

Fnc:

bash: mysqld: command not found

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Tanthrix:

Weird.

[03:48:50]

Tanthrix:

And you're sure the database was running when mythbackend refused to connect?

[03:48:53]

maek:

how about mysql or mysqladmin?

[03:49:31]

Fnc:

yup

[03:49:31]

Tanthrix:

maek: He has mysql working – his problem is that after specifying mythbackend to connect to his local LAN ip instead of localhost it no longer connects

[03:49:45]

Tanthrix:

maek: So I have a hunch that it's running in some kind of safemode thing that only works with localhost connections

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Fnc:

it is

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maek:

sorry.

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Fnc:

i have a mysqld_multi in /usr/bin

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Tanthrix:

Well, type "locate mysqld" and figure out where it is

[03:50:12]

maek:

do you have mythtv@ip in your grant tables?

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Fnc:

which is where mysql_safe is

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Fnc:

i did that

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Fnc:

look

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Tanthrix:

For me, mysqld is located in /usr/sbin/

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Fnc:

'/etc/rc.d/init.d/mysqld

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Fnc:

maek: not sure what you mean?

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: I don't believe that you don't have a mysqld on your system

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: It's there, you just need to find it

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Tanthrix:

I'm off, later and good luck

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Fnc:

dangit

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Fnc:

alright thanks

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juski:

morning

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maek:

hey juski

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Fnc:

maek: what did you mean by do you have mythtv@ip in your grant tables?

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Fnc:

howdy juski

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maek:

Fnc: in mysql you have to grant access to a user @localhost and @other ips

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Fnc:

ok

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juski:

this xml stuff has still got me puzzled

[03:59:03]

maek:

ok, Fnc do you have your mythtv mysql user password?

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Fnc:

i would guess so

[04:00:07]

maek:

any idea why xine with no cli options would start, but xine -fhqn --no-splash wont?

[04:00:26]

maek:

ok, so do this, mysql -u mythtv -p and then enter the password when asked for it

[04:00:32]

maek:

then do show grants;

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Fnc:

as root?

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maek:

doesnt matter

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juski:

maek: maybe -fhqn isn't valid

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maek:

your going to auth to mysql as mythtv

[04:01:20]

maek:

juski: the wiki says its should work. let me check. good idea thought. thanks

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Fnc:

does mysql need to be running to do that?

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maek:

yup

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Fnc:

ok im connected

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maek:

ok, now do the show grants;

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Fnc:

+------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------+

[04:03:25]

Fnc:

| Grants for root@localhost |

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Fnc:

+------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------+

[04:03:25]

Fnc:

| GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD '11719e7249405acf' WITH GRANT OPTION |

[04:03:27]

Fnc:

+------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------+

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maek:

ok, there you have it

[04:03:44]

maek:

the only user allowed to connect to your system is root from the loopback

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Fnc:

got cha

[04:03:53]

Fnc:

so how do i add others?

[04:04:02]

Fnc:

and which ones should i add?

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Fnc:

mythtv@localhost

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maek:

you want to connect to the ip right, not loopback?

[04:04:18]

Fnc:

and mythtv@<ip Address>

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Fnc:

???

[04:04:21]

Fnc:

yup

[04:04:23]

maek:

correct

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maek:

GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO 'mythtv'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD

[04:04:59]

maek:

GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON `mythconverg`.* TO 'mythtv'@'localhost'

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maek:

and you would want to do the same for @ip

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Fnc:

do i need to do a createuser first?

[04:06:32]

maek:

no, just do the grant on that link I sent you

[04:06:42]

maek:

its easiest way, most mysql friendly way

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Fnc:

ok

[04:08:30]

Fnc:

then what files do i need to edit for the password for that user?

[04:08:37]

Fnc:

so that it will use it correctly?

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maek:

I dont follow

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juski:

Fnc: you don't need to edit any files

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maek:

blah, I have to go. good luck Fnc.

[04:11:08]

maek:

juski: thanks, it was a bunk option I had the wrong xine installe.

[04:11:12]

maek:

to long of a day

[04:11:13]

maek:

bye

[04:11:18]

juski:

seeya

[04:11:27]

Fnc:

maek: thanks

[04:11:52]

maek:

Fnc: welcome.

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Fnc:

anyone know whats up with this.... Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

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juski:

Fnc: yes, your mysql server isnt bound to the machine's real IP address.

[04:34:15]

Fnc:

trying to play on frontend

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juski:

did you restart the mysql server after editing /etc/my.cnf ?

[04:36:59]

Fnc:

hmm

[04:37:01]

Fnc:

maybe not

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Fnc:

but i didnt edit etc/my.cnf file

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Fnc:

just the mysql.txt

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Fnc:

???

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juski:

/etc/my.cnf configures the mysql server

[04:40:18]

juski:

mysql.txt is just a text file for mythtv apps to look at

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juski:

Fnc: by default mysql sits on 127.0.0.1

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Fnc:

my my.cnf file.. is small

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juski:

if you want to reach it from other machines you need it to sit on the machine's real IP

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Fnc:

dont see nay ips in there

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juski:

pastebin it please

[04:44:00]

juski:

that's it?!

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juski:

I think if you check with netstat you'll find mysql is only listening on localhost. you need to somehow make it listen on the machine's true IP address. find a mysql guide for your distro

[04:45:34]

juski:

oh wait try /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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Fnc:

dont have that

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Fnc:

only my.cnf on my system

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Fnc:

is /etc/my.cnf

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Fnc:

netstat shows

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juski:

why is mysql not running on the usual port?

[04:52:06]

juski:

bah ignore me it's too early for my brain

[04:52:50]

juski:

what distro are you running?

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linHiNun:

column 'bookmark' cannot be null

[04:57:45]

linHiNun:

I am trying to move my database to new hardware.

[04:58:07]

linHiNun:

I've searched and tried to hack my .sql file a lot

[04:58:08]

juski:

to new hardware running exactly the same version of mythtv?

[04:58:21]

linHiNun:

no, new version

[04:58:41]

linHiNun:

It's knoppmyth <searching for version> to latest version....

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juski:

upgrade process goes like this... dump the old db into a file. copy the new file to the new machine. import the sql. then run mythtv-setup on the new machine. that should take care of upgrading the database

[04:59:44]

linHiNun:

yeah, I got that.

[05:00:01]

linHiNun:

It's the "import the .sql" that is giving me that error.

[05:00:52]

juski:

ah maybe there'd be problems going from one version of mysql to another

[05:01:12]

linHiNun:

it's in the "recorded" table. Most of my old recordings have three NULLS in them. The first is in the field "bookmarks" the second is in field "cutlist"

[05:01:38]

linHiNun:

I cannot find any other issues with this, at least that people have reported and I Can google :)

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linHiNun:

I'm moving from KnoppMyth R5 Delightful1 to R5E50

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juski:

linHiNun: you might have more luck in #knoppmyth

[05:03:31]

linHiNun:

ohhh, I didn't know there was such an IRC

[05:03:54]

linHiNun:

#?

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xris:

juski: your video got a lot of compliments this weekend

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Fnc:

juski got it

[05:04:57]

xris:

made our stuff look really professional

[05:05:02]

Fnc:

i had a mysql.txt on my fe that i hadnt edited...

[05:05:30]

Fnc:

then that created an error about that host not being able to connect to that mysql server... fixed that now i want watch on my FE

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afterwego:

Hello, I am having an issue where mplayer is upscaling the output from 720x480 to 756x540. This is affecting MythTV by making the everything seem fast. Any suggestions?

[05:12:31]

juski:

xris: cool.. how did it all go then? plenty of interest?

[05:13:21]

** juski bangs his head on the desk. arghhh! stupid xml **

[05:13:33]

xris:

yeah, it went really well

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xris:

lots of people interested, lots of current users saying thanks, lots of people saying "wow, it does THAT?"

[05:14:20]

juski:

heheh I loved spreading the word

[05:14:23]

xris:

ran into a guy who's been running .17 or .18 and didn't want to upgrade because things were working so well

[05:14:36]

juski:

.. which is why I'm likely gonna do it again at LRL this year :)

[05:15:01]

linHiNun:

is there a .sql file somewhere for a complete

[05:15:01]

xris:

best was a girl of about 10–12 who came up and basically said "I'm a big fan of MythTV, and have been trying to convince my dad to supplement our TiVo with a mythbox."

[05:15:15]

juski:

xris: awww!

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linHiNun:

err...... barebones new database? Just the structure?

[05:15:35]

xris:

same girl offered to disassemble one of my company's demo servers in 5 minutes. heh.

[05:15:41]

xris:

true geek in the making

[05:15:52]

juski:

we need more girl geeks

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xris:

then we had a big party, everyone got drunk, the linden lab (secondlife.com) people got crazy, etc.

[05:16:43]

juski:

talk/brag ;)

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pat_:

I "hooked up" with my wife at a network gaming meet back in the day

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juski:

you mean he's a gentleman ;)

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pat_:

in the pre-broadband era

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juski:

xris: any commercial entities salivating at the prospect of 'free cash' then?

[05:20:17]

** juski is starting to think he needs XML::Parser, not XML::Simple **

[05:21:23]

xris:

not really

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xris:

isaac's not so interested in that kind of stuff either.

[05:22:03]

xris:

though linden lab is hiring and I'm supposed to say how cool of a company they are (which is mostly true — they all seemed like cool people)

[05:22:35]

juski:

this is screwed up. both xml files are of the form <lineup><channel><name>somename</name><packages>so mestuff</packages></channel><channel> ... </lineup> yet both give me different structures to the ouptut data. bah!

[05:23:56]

pat_:

juski, how involved is maintaining a theme?

[05:24:20]

juski:

how involved do you want it to be?

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pat_:

very uninvolved except for minor updates.

[05:25:18]

juski:

every now & again stuff gets committed into mythtv's source which breaks themes a little. it's simple catchup most of the time

[05:25:54]

juski:

the main thing is when new theme elements are added to plugins etc

[05:25:55]

Fnc:

does anyone have a good recomendation for a cheap agp card that can do good with hd playback? i have a p4 2.6ghz, with 1gb memory should that be enough, and it is my vid card that is lacking, or might i need more memory too?

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hads:

nvidia

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pat_:

geforce 6200

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pat_:

if your output device supports it just use dvi, or a dvi->hdmi adapter

[05:27:10]

Fnc:

got a fp

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pat_:

or some newer cards support hdmi natively

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Fnc:

i already got something hooked into the hdmi

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** hads spent a while today playing with modelines. Fun fun. **

[05:27:55]

Fnc:

i could get one of those dvi to component adapters and hook it up throught the component input

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pat_:

get nvidia that has the outputs you want, with no fan. unless you want to play games

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juski:

oh since you're here xris... what I'm working on right now is a wizard thing for UK mythtv users. they'll be able to enter their tv provider details & postcode & then it'll scurry off & configure their channels for em

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xris:

nifty

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xris:

doesn't xmltv do that?

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juski:

not even close

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Fnc:

you think 1gb of memory is good enough?

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juski:

it doesn't give you official channel numbers for one thing

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hads:

Fnc: It depends.

[05:30:47]

Fnc:

also on the vid card how much memory should i be looking for?

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pat_:

fnc, search the mythtv-users mailing list

[05:31:00]

juski:

nor does it alter the list of channels available according to package types ;)

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pat_:

plenty of people have proffered what worked for them on that

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hads:

Also the wiki

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juski:

don't forget the wiki!

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xris:

juski: should patch xmltv, too, the

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xris:

then

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juski:

finally! got the damn thing to parse!

[05:34:08]

juski:

xris: yeah well elements of this can go into that

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juski:

no sense in doing all of this then keeping it to mythtv

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juski:

though I don't think the xmltv folks will want whole lineup data – only the stuff which has xmltvids ;)

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juski:

right now I'm concentrating on the source data & making scripts to populate the xmltvids

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juski:

xris: how busy was the show?

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xris:

hard to say.

[05:41:16]

xris:

busy enough that I almost lost my voice from talking so much on saturday

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juski:

busy, then

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juski:

no problems? on our last stand mythvideo kept crashing. was always my fault apparently

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juski:

saw more crashes there than I've seen at home in 2 years. sod's law I guess

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xris:

we had a number of crashes.. power cords getting yanked out, etc.

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xris:

not too bad, though

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juski:

if I go to LRL this year – which is looking pretty likely now, I'll be demoing in the 'hour of power' again

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juski:

try to remember not to waffle, juski... TRY

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juski:

so who was on the stand xris, just you & kormoc ?

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xris:

yu[

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xris:

yup

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xris:

http://forevermore.net/mythtv/linuxfest.jpg

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xris:

that's kormoc

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xris:

didn't really get any good shots of the booth

[05:55:19]

xris:

but figured you'd like to see a shot with your video going in the background

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juski:

heh

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juski:

nice displays :)

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

nice when we can borrow the plasma from work. (the other is my monitor)

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juski:

it'd have been much better to have our displays behind us like that :)

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juski:

always people crowding round battling to get a look

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juski:

not so bad when novell et al are handing out freebies though :)

[06:00:20]

juski:

argghh somebody found a bug in neon-wide but emailed the -users list rather than my email address

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hadees:

If I am using VGA on my HDTV and the resolution is 1360x768 if I play a video that is made for 720p does that mean the video will get upscaled? The TV is supposed to support 720p and 1080i.

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xris:

heh

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xris:

hadees: yeah, upscaled slightly

[06:02:34]

xris:

you could always just run the tv at 1280x720, too.

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juski:

aha.. now I see the problem

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hadees:

xris, so in theory a 1080p will look better then 720p on my 1360x768 desktop because it will get downscaled instead of upscaled

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xris:

p, yes, i, not necessarily.

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xris:

since interlacing doesn't always scale down nicely

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hadees:

xris, thanks, i thought so but was justing make sure, it gets little confusing when my desktop resolution doesn't really match the HDTV formats but i want to use every pixel to its fullest

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xris:

you can often set the desktop res to match the hdtv res

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xris:

I had the plasma in that photo I just posted running at 1280x720

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juski:

fixed :)

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xris:

heh

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xris:

still need to get you svn for easy updates

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juski:

been thinking some more about the theme maintainer role. reckon I'll take it

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juski:

.. if the offer is still on the table of course

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juski:

hmm only 148 Virgin channels & 548 $ky channels

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xris:

I'll talk to chutt when I get a chance (if he's around tomorrow night).

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xris:

I'm at mgmt training all day tomorrow (yay! aka blech)

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xris:

anyway, time to sleep.

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juski:

anyway pat_ how come you were asking about maintaining themes? you fancy keep up my 4:3 themes?

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juski:

cos I've been having a rethink about that – it's not that much more work for me

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Tanthrix:

Fnc: Ever get your stuff sorted out?

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Hoxzer:

Yeah, I just made up a script that will open mplayer in correct place and place black borders so that aspect ratio stays normal :)

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Hoxzer:

:D there must be some other way to do this but no, I'm not willing to read 10 pages of manual to figure it out

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directhex|work:

Hoxzer, mplayer -monitoraspect 16:9

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Hoxzer:

yeah, but does that work with --geometry?

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Hoxzer:

my script just requires same inputs as mythtv and it will place player in same place as mythtv

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directhex|work:

probably. it should at least let mplayer know what size your screen is so it can automatically black-border most things as required (horizontal ones on 2.35:1, vertical ones on 4:3).

[09:06:04]

Hoxzer:

yeah

[09:06:13]

Hoxzer:

try that out while I go to watch anime ok?

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Hoxzer:

;) just kidding

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Dibblah:

Ahhh... Uwe Bugla is at it again.

[09:37:32]

Dibblah:

Telling Linus in public that he's childish is probably not a good way to gain any respect.

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directhex|work:

some well-known personalities are. like j00rg schilling

[09:40:07]

Dibblah:

Sure. But he's pretty much called out _all_ of the DVB core maintainers because they won't take his (pointless in at least one case) patches.

[09:40:35]

Dibblah:

And calling someone childish who _is_ childish is just dumb.

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doc_:

hi there

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directhex|work:

cx88 has been fine for me since 2.6.12ish

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directhex|work:

i'm astonished at my saa7146 issues though, i thought that was a mature driver

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Ruleke:

I'm talking about the fragmentation and lack of progress in some key areas :/

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** stuarta votes for shooting Uwe Bugla **

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Dibblah:

The problem is... Your key areas aren't their key areas :)

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Ruleke:

of course

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directhex|work:

isn't that the norm with the kernel? i still don't have a network driver that doesn't cause oopses

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Ruleke:

though the whole thing about the new api is kinda silly

[09:50:33]

Dibblah:

However, S2 will come soon, assuming that's what you're referring to.

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Dibblah:

The politics? Yes, very silly.

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Ruleke:

not complaining, I'm just a bit sad about it :)

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directhex|work:

i need to find a solution to my networking issues, really. and my saa7146 issues. why's my box so unstable? :(

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juski:

re

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stuarta:

wibbler

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directhex|work:

morning juski

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stuarta:

?!?

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juski:

the UK config wizard project edged ever so slightly forward this morning :)

[10:28:04]

Merlin83b:

Heh, you mean you started it?

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Merlin83b:

Also, good morning.

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directhex|work:

the UK config wizard project?

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juski:

I started work again yesterday

[10:28:56]

directhex|work:

you know the easier myth gets, the more idiots will post in here and on the mailing list

[10:29:19]

juski:

it's about making life easier for you & me

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juski:

esp folks with satellite & cable lineups

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rsdvd:

Morning all........Juski, If I can be any help – let me know! Not got too much time at the moment but it seems like a very worthwhile project

[10:30:40]

juski:

rsdvd: still collating all the data

[10:30:56]

juski:

need to scriptify it all to make life even easier for the collator ;)

[10:31:17]

rsdvd:

what data are you collating? Sky/Virgin/freeview ?

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juski:

Sky/virgin

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juski:

might be some mileage in doing the other(?) providers too

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rsdvd:

ok – that will be a very large amount of channles....and also all the regional ones

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juski:

over 540 in my sky.xml file

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rsdvd:

there are more than that I think.....what about all the PPV and adult stuff?

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directhex|work:

i'm waiting for the beeb's freesat service

[10:35:01]

rsdvd:

lol......you will be waiting a while! they only announced that they would allow it this week

[10:35:21]

directhex|work:

they also announced it'd be ready next year

[10:35:42]

rsdvd:

I will belive that when I see it :-) these things are rarely on time :-)

[10:35:57]

directhex|work:

it needs to be ready before the analog switchoff starts

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rsdvd:

why did thye have to call it freesat....the same as sky's "free" service

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directhex|work:

"free" o/

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rsdvd:

for the bbc freesat service you will need a satelite dish & STB so it will still be rather expensive.....but shoudl carry HD

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directhex|work:

they've made mention of IDTV

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rsdvd:

do we know what satellite it will be on? will we need a new dish to point at another satellite or will it be in Sky's Astra one?

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directhex|work:

didn't think sky owned astra

[10:40:13]

jarle:

Does MythTV let you always record to a buffer so that you can rewind any time while watching a TV show?

[10:40:22]

directhex|work:

but the beeb's current services are on there, so it'll probably end up on there

[10:40:23]

rsdvd:

they don;t I just meant the Astra satellite they use

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directhex|work:

jarle, yes, by defau;t

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jarle:

directhex: How large is the buffer you can have?

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directhex|work:

jarle, dunno. 50 gig i think

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directhex|work:

which non-crap stuff on astra is FTA?

[10:42:48]

stuarta:

directhex|work: have a look at lyngsat, it'll tell you

[10:43:00]

stuarta:

but basically it's the same stuff that's on freeview

[10:43:51]

directhex|work:

god there's a lot of shit on eurobird 1

[10:44:28]

directhex|work:

doesn't FTV require decrypting?

[10:44:51]

jarle:

Does MythTV let you schedule recordings via EPG on a webpage? So that you can schedule recordings on your myth-box even when you are away from home?

[10:45:04]

stuarta:

yes, but you can ring up sky and ask for a FTV card.

[10:45:25]

rsdvd:

stuarta : and they chrage you £20 for 'admin'...not really free

[10:45:26]

Merlin83b:

jarle: MythWeb. Yes.

[10:45:49]

stuarta:

rsdvd: better than nothing if you can't get terrestrial reception

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jarle:

Merlin83b: Great!

[10:45:59]

rsdvd:

stuarta l true

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stuarta:

directhex|work: you can, still need the $ky box though

[10:47:21]

stuarta:

in that case you are limited to the FTA channels

[10:47:28]

stuarta:

better than nothing

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** jarle is trying to compare MythTV specs with other HTPCs I've used, to see if it has all the functions I like... **

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rsdvd:

jarle : read the wiki then

[10:48:20]

directhex|work:

rsdvd, you can decode h264 in software with a decent modern cpu

[10:48:27]

stuarta:

barely

[10:48:38]

quicksilver:

jarle: unlike other HTPCs, myth will make your descendants fertile, improve the health of your camels, and bring rain onto your crops.

[10:48:39]

stuarta:

i can't on the BBC HD test mux

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quicksilver:

At no extra cost.

[10:48:51]

directhex|work:

stuarta, with what CPU?

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gardengnome:

stuarta: what cpu?

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stuarta:

amd64 3200+

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directhex|work:

that's not particularly modern though

[10:49:15]

rsdvd:

directhex|work : most people say that the test mux is too higher bitrate for most PCs

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rsdvd:

directhex|work : you will also need a ridiculous amount of HDD space....they are 20+Gb/hour or similar

[10:50:43]

directhex|work:

my current backend (which is having to serve as a frontend too) has a dual-core 3ghz pentium-d, and 1.6tib usable disk space

[10:51:22]

quicksilver:

I have played some sample (720) h264's in software on my Athlon 1800

[10:51:25]

directhex|work:

my general feelings frontendwise involve core duo ~2ghz

[10:51:46]

psyco-obiwan:

hi, i lost my /myth partition with all tv recordings on it (no biggie). The disk is replaced now and i have some 300 recordings in the db, that are not on disk...is there any automatic way to a) remove all DB-entries for which the recording doesn't exist and b) removing all files that have no corresponding db entry ?

[10:51:59]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: same here, at least with ffmpeg. ffmpeg's h.264 support is still being optimised, though.

[10:52:28]

directhex|work:

gardengnome, i feel the mac mini will make a great frontend. when i can afford it.

[10:52:31]

rsdvd:

psyco-obiwan ; check the contrib dir – there is a script that does just that

[10:52:43]

** stuarta would just hack the DB... **

[10:54:04]

** psyco-obiwan knows too less about the inner workings to mess around...i messed once with the cards and am cured **

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rsdvd:

psyco-obiwan : I have never used it though – just seen it mentioned on here

[10:54:23]

psyco-obiwan:

will b'up db before...but thx alot

[10:54:36]

gardengnome:

psyco-obiwan: that script is not in 0.20. you can find it in trac AFAIk – http://svn.mythtv.org/

[10:54:51]

gardengnome:

psyco-obiwan: simply purge'ing the "recorded" table might help as well.

[10:55:06]

directhex|work:

how much crap IS there on eurobird 1? Audi channel? Classic FM TV? McQueen's Angels?

[10:55:21]

psyco-obiwan:

gardengnome: are there no crosslinks/reference whatever ? coz that sounds easy enough

[10:55:53]

rsdvd:

directhex|work: they are dedicated channels for shops...you will also fine 'HNV radio' and 'Allsports' etc :-)

[10:55:53]

stuarta:

there is an awful lot of crap on all those satellites...

[10:55:57]

gardengnome:

psyco-obiwan: um. i don't remember where the seek tables are stored, they might be located in their own table

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** psyco-obiwan is in hurry, because gf and mom have upcoming recordings and the mythtv seems to be under heavy SLA *g* **

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directhex|work:

rsdvd, honestly, i don't mind crap channels. as long as i can choose my own equipment, and that means no damned STB

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directhex|work:

though i suppose i'm short on tuners. are any USB tuners worth using yet?

[10:57:00]

** psyco-obiwan forgot dad who wants the hockey wc recorded tooo *sigh* **

[10:59:36]

** gardengnome is still mad as hell at his onboard NIC for disappearing from lspci. **

[10:59:55]

psyco-obiwan:

gardengnome: i bet its a realtek...

[11:00:14]

gardengnome:

psyco-obiwan: it's part of the nvidia chipset

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juski:

$ly doesn't own Astra

[11:00:34]

juski:

it rents space on there

[11:00:43]

juski:

not paying enough for it IMHO :-P

[11:01:00]

psyco-obiwan:

oh...the same once that are in the sun x2100 i guess...haven't heard anything bad about them in contrast to realtek stuff

[11:01:02]

stuarta:

then they would just charge us more :-P

[11:01:09]

psyco-obiwan:

s/once/ones/

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directhex|work:

my onboard networking doesn't disappear, it just causes kernel oopses

[11:01:27]

juski:

$ly subscribers maybe, and they're made of money anyway

[11:01:56]

gardengnome:

psyco-obiwan: well, the most annoying fact is that its PXE stack still works. :(

[11:03:08]

psyco-obiwan:

gardengnome: only educated guessing: that doesn't mean the card has gone south, afaik thats a complete different part in the nic

[11:04:40]

** juski dives into some perl docs **

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psyco-obiwan:

rsdvd: i found myth.rebuilddatabase.pl which only does add files on disk to the db afaics but not remove entries without files...so i prolly need to go manually..

[11:05:02]

juski:

cd chanwiz

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directhex|work:

ah, perl

[11:05:20]

gardengnome:

psyco-obiwan: right, the PXE stuff is embedded into the BIOS ROM. it can still get an IP over DHCP. i'll contact the manufacturer, i suppose. or flash a new BIOS version

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** psyco-obiwan would happpily offer gardengnome one of his several dozen spare 100M nics for the time being **

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rsdvd:

psyco-obiwan : Ithought it did both – but I am sure you will be able to tweak it to do what you want

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gardengnome:

psyco-obiwan: i've got dozens of spare NICs. i just don't want to sacrifice a PCI slot. remember, it's a mythtv box: i need lots of tuners :)

[11:08:01]

directhex|work:

i have silly slot contention issues. NEED to find a solution of some kind :(

[11:08:05]

psyco-obiwan:

*lol* i feel your pain, having 3 pvr150 in my backend ;-)

[11:08:42]

psyco-obiwan:

i wished i went for a 500 in the beginning...but who would have thought i'd end up with 7 frontends...

[11:09:56]

directhex|work:

my BE has slots in it – 2xPCI, 2xPCIe, 2xPCI-X. subtract 1 PCIe for the graphics card, 1 PCI-X for the RAID controller, 2 PCI for the current tuners

[11:10:06]

juski:

I'm happy making themes. don't see why I should need to know regex inside out for this ;)

[11:10:22]

directhex|work:

doesn't leave much room, as if i stick another card on the PCI-X bus, i cut my disk bandwidth in 4

[11:10:22]

Merlin83b:

Everyone should know regex inside out, juski.

[11:10:41]

directhex|work:

and there are no PCIe tuners worth using yet AFAIK. not to mention my major networking issues

[11:10:59]

rsdvd:

juski : perl is my language of choice – let me know it I can help with your reg exps

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directhex|work:

perl is a write-only language for hacking A to B

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rsdvd:

juski : are you making this into a website?

[11:11:33]

juski:

I'm not gonna give up on myself just yet, but I'll give you a yell :)

[11:11:44]

juski:

rsdvd: maybe. lemme get the bastard working first

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rsdvd:

:-)

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rsdvd:

do you have a copy of O'Reilly Perl in a nutshell? very usfull for lookups

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Merlin83b:

juski: http://www.erudil.com/preqr.pdf

[11:13:07]

juski:

got a Perl book somewhere. I've done html parsing before, just can never bloody remember it when I need it

[11:13:09]

Merlin83b:

That piece of A4 has helped me in a lot of RE situation.

[11:15:06]

juski:

ah. what I'm trying to do is grab lines between a <tbody> and </tbody> so I need to use a range but escape <tbody>.. so it works properly

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rsdvd:

s/<tbody>(.| )*</tbody>/$1 .......or similar

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Merlin83b:

/<tbody>(.*)</tbody>/m

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rsdvd:

oops....and m for multi-line

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Merlin83b:

:)

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stuarta:

ah regexp fu :)

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rsdvd:

:-)

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juski:

ah so only the /tbody needs an escape

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juski:

not the <

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Merlin83b:

Just the /, as it's the only thing that has a special meaning.

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stuarta:

once you master regexps you are entitled to move from unix novice, to unix intermediate

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stuarta:

mmm food.

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psyco-obiwan:

does anybody have a link to description of the mythconverg structure so i know what to purge from the db ? I have found quite a few tables which contain recordings, seek data etc. and i am unsure which ones i may purge without expecting probs

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GreyFoxx:

why are you "purging" them at all ?

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psyco-obiwan:

lost all recordings in disk crash...

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GreyFoxx:

delete the recorded table

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GreyFoxx:

or I should say, empty it

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GreyFoxx:

and recoredseek I beleive unless they renamed the seektbale

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psyco-obiwan:

recordedmarkup looks like sth to purge too

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GreyFoxx:

soory, that's the one, recordedmarkup, not recordedseek

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gardengnome:

orgy`: because it's a screen scraper.

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orgy`:

gardengnome its doing that for almos half an hour now :(

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psyco-obiwan:

recordseek exists too, as well as recordedprogram which seems to a copy of recorded

[11:31:37]

gardengnome:

orgy`: i didn't know that tv_grab_de_tvtoday was still working. anyways, you really should read ...

[11:31:46]

gardengnome:

orgy`: http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php/HOWTO_Mythfilldatabase

[11:32:03]

orgy`:

i read, and in some forums it says that the new cvs worked again

[11:32:14]

orgy`:

well, thanks anyway

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GreyFoxx:

Looks like a few tables have been added when I wasn't looking

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gardengnome:

orgy`: use mythfilldatabase --manual --preset --max-days 1 – i'm not sure about the last option

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure you can get away with just recorded, recordedmarkup, and recordedseek

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GreyFoxx:

the others will be populated as needed

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psyco-obiwan:

GreyFoxx: thx, i've backupded mysql and im gonna purge everything that looks related to recorded and see what will happen.. i dont want to have some tables with dead records..

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rsdvd:

psyco-obiwan : if you found the script to re-populate the DB from the recorded files....why not srap everything recording realted and rerun the script

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juski:

getting there!

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rsdvd:

juski : what page are you scraping?

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directhex|work:

how do you repopulate the DB from the recorded files? surely without any of the DB metadata they're just videos, not recordings?

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psyco-obiwan:

directhex|work: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/tags/relea . . . ddatabase.pl

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psyco-obiwan:

rsdvd: it seemed simpler, i purged already everything i though i should and will restart BE and DB now to see what happened...

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directhex|work:

so "type it in" then

[11:41:26]

psyco-obiwan:

well, seemed to have worked, thnx for all the tips

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rsdvd:

juski : this script might help you......it was posted a few months ago http://www.phil-home.com/S100/DownloadChannels

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juski:

wooo!

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juski:

nabbed :)

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juski:

I'll modify it so it doesn't blatantly download from digitalspy – the idea is to have a centrally administered channels database

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juski:

where the db admin gets his data from is nobody else's business ;)

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stuarta:

juski: we do :)

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rsdvd:

:-) glad I can help ! cannot remember who posted it – but thanks to whoever you were

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sunnyhours:

anyone ever have problems using video out without a monitor connected? (using only tv out)

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directhex|work:

not for about four years

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gpd:

just experimenting with mythweb – am I supposed to be able to view recorded programs in the browser?

[13:09:22]

gpd:

I have a linkto mythweb/pl/stream/foo – but it gives 'unknown recording request'

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gpd:

in /var/www/mythweb/data – the video symlinks are dangling

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directhex|work:

no. however, it can provide a hyperlink of some kind to recordings, which depending on how you have things set up, might cause it to download a recoridng file. or open it in a player like VLC

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gpd:

ok – i suspected it was a little more complex. will leave for later.

[13:13:01]

tzanger:

morning

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a5benwillis:

morning

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goreguts:

hey just wondering, do you guys use anything other than blank frame detection for commercial skipping?

[13:16:05]

tzanger:

goreguts: mine's set to all methods

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tzanger:

it's pretty good... gotta tune it a little

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goreguts:

alright, i havent messed with it much

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directhex|work:

is there an "aspect ratio change" method? that's the only one i've found is 100% certainly a sign of an advert break

[13:17:36]

goreguts:

ah good call, that would be a good one

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tzanger:

indeed

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tzanger:

not for me, since I'm stuck in 4:3 land, but yeah...

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directhex|work:

tzanger, but the transmissions aren't, surely?

[13:18:36]

tzanger:

?

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tzanger:

I don't watch HD

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tzanger:

drastic audio level change should be in there too

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directhex|work:

yes, that too

[13:19:22]

tzanger:

every single fucking commercial I've ever encountered is at least 3dB higher than the program itself

[13:19:34]

directhex|work:

i've not seen any widescreen ads on freeview, but most of the shows are

[13:19:41]

goreguts:

although, some of the local commercials are very quiet

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directhex|work:

so a switch to 4:3 usually means an advert

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tzanger:

basically blank frames with gigantic audio level change

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goreguts:

there are a few HD ads, i think Apple ads are in HD

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goreguts:

i know i've seen a couple others

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tank-man:

i only see apple ads on the internet

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tzanger:

well those are definitely hd :-)

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numer:

is anyone using a graphical lcd with a ks0108 controller for displaying status with his mythtv box?

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Beirdo:

Google just keeps getting cooler and cooler :)

[13:35:16]

Merlin83b:

What now?

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juski:

as less & less IRC users access it you mean? ;)

[13:35:43]

Beirdo:

oh just using google spreadsheets, and publishing the spreadsheet :)

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Merlin83b:

Ah yes

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fryfrog:

I wonder if nvidia will add H.264 support to their linux drivers for the new 8500 and 8600 cards

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juski:

fryfrog: I wonder if they never will, ever

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: Unlikely.

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Beirdo:

put the scoring spreadsheet for my fantasy baseball league there for the league to see. To hell with excel

[13:36:46]

Dibblah:

Beirdo: "Back to whence you came, Excel", don't you mean? ;)

[13:36:46]

fryfrog:

why not? the *hardware* support is on the cards, why wouldn't they add it to the linux drivers?

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juski:

fryfrog: just pop some more GHz in the machine

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directhex|work:

need moar megarhartzz

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fryfrog:

oh, can we do h264 in cpu now?

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tank-man:

lol

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tank-man:

why not

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Beirdo:

as we will be having monthly points trophies, I need some sorta spreadsheet, and this one doesn't bog down MY computer

[13:37:21]

fryfrog:

er, in linux i mean

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, sure, if you have a decent cpu

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Beirdo:

Dibblah, yeah, pretty much

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Dibblah:

Depends on how rich 'we' is ;)

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juski:

been able to for ages, just not very fast

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fryfrog:

ahh

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tank-man:

cpu is general purpose

[13:37:52]

fryfrog:

for some reason, i didn't think *linux* had h264 support in general

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fryfrog:

wouldn't be the first time i was wrong :)

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, it had better, i've ripped 60-odd dvds to h264

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fryfrog:

and played them in linux?

[13:38:27]

directhex|work:

well, yes

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fryfrog:

ah

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directhex|work:

i ripped them in linux

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fryfrog:

is 264 really that much better than divx/xvid?

[13:38:46]

directhex|work:

except the anime ones, windows has better subtitle tools

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hugolp:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

What app did you do to rip them? How big are they on average and how long did it take ?:)

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, than xvid? not enormously, but noticably

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GreyFoxx:

I've ripped almost all of my DVD's, and I might do a couple in H264 and compare

[13:39:32]

fryfrog:

is the benefit better bitrate for the size or?

[13:39:40]

hugolp:

I am sorting out my videos and I dont understand something. Either if I tell the video to show up or not it will show up in media watch videos. I have tried different options but seems to be no difference.

[13:40:07]

tank-man:

better bitrate for the size? the bitrate and length determine the size

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, i use vobcopy to get vobs onto disk, then avidemux to do the rip. i prefer to do target filesize rather than bitrate, and have been going for 2100MiB per movie

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fryfrog:

I've just kind of started ripping some of my DVDs to disk

[13:40:40]

fryfrog:

2.1G h264? I've been using AutoGK and going for about 1.5G

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fryfrog:

in xvid format, that is

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fryfrog:

mainly cuase my xbox choked on the 264 i accidentally downloaded :)

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GreyFoxx:

I use AutoGK and vary from 700M to 1.4G depending on the length of the movie

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fryfrog:

what would you say is a good cpu speed for 264?

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tank-man:

for sdtv i'm assuming

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tank-man:

?

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fryfrog:

the only thing i don't like about autogk is that when you want to encode *small* clips its hard to pick a size

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, you can obviously tweak parameters, but i decided 2 movies per dvd (if i decided to burn to dvd) was a good size

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fryfrog:

tank-man: for DVDs in my case, if that is what you mean?

[13:41:55]

kslater:

little bit of work on the roof and now I have some new HD OTA channels showing up. If I just mod my HD OTA lineup in zap2it, will that be enough?

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fryfrog:

kslater: you might need to feed "mythfilldatabase" with an option

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, for decoding? any core duo should do

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GreyFoxx:

Ohh, myou burn them? I rip mine just to have on the FS

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fryfrog:

actually, you will for sure

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GreyFoxx:

oh, gotcha now

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fryfrog:

he said "*if*"

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GreyFoxx:

I missed the if the first time :)

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, i don't burn them, but i can't guarantee i never would. hence having the size already burn-friendly

[13:42:49]

fryfrog:

just hit "mythfilldatabase --help" and look for the one about adding new channels

[13:42:59]

fryfrog:

yeah, actually that is why i picked the 1/3rd dvd size

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juski:

I think I'll transcode the demo vid to h.264 & see what can play it at home

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, i used to do multi-cd-sized rips and keep them on disk, for the same reason (usually 2x700 per movie)

[13:43:12]

kslater:

fryfrog: thx. I'll check the options to mythfilldb once I get the linux done

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fryfrog:

and most "releases" in teh internets seem to be 2x700mb, so i figure 1499 (er, what ever the 1/3rd) woudld be fine

[13:43:52]

juski:

yeah I never worked out why they split those creative commons videos up

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

That annoys the hell out of me

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directhex|work:

i've gotten through about 60 dvds since i started my re-rip campaign

[13:44:22]

GreyFoxx:

It's like downloading something made up of hundreds of floppy disk size pieces

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directhex|work:

doing movies first, haven't gone near box sets

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juski:

esp when they have different bitrate audio in each half (

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directhex|work:

i've been doing the dvd ripping thing for about 6 years, and i'm confident in the quality of my latest round of rips

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tzanger:

directhex|work: what do you use for settings?

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fryfrog:

directhex|work: and you use all linux tools?

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directhex|work:

which is the first significant change in method for about 4 years

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numer:

is anyone using a samsung ks0108 controlled lcd with mythtv? does anyone know if this will work

[13:47:03]

directhex|work:

fryfrog, i find subrip (windows only) is SIGNIFICANTLY better at subtitle work than anything for linux. but otherwise, yes. and i have done subtitles under linux too, on occasion

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fryfrog:

so xvid/divx, i believe for subs you either have to "burn" them into the movie (ie, you can't turn them off) or use a 3rd app that loads up a subs file dynamically

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fryfrog:

with h264, can you include the subs *in* the movie and be able to turn them on and off?

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fryfrog:

like a real dvd?

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tank-man:

that depends on the movie player

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directhex|work:

tzanger, 2-pass x264, crop first, deinterlace if needed, then resize to correct aspect (maintaining dimensions that divide by 16). target filesize is 2100M for all video and audio streams. result is saved into an OGM container. 1 audio stream for english movies, 2 for foreign movies, plus the subtitle stream

[13:48:38]

tank-man:

subs are in .srt files or something

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fryfrog:

or is h264 the *encoding* and not really the container

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, that's a question of the container, not the codec

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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tzanger:

directhex|work: *wow*. you wouldn't be willing to share your encoding recipe would you?

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, subtitles on a dvd are a VIDEO stream (not text) that is overlaid on the main video

[13:49:05]

fryfrog:

so what container do you use for your h264?

[13:49:15]

fryfrog:

ahh, i see

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tzanger:

fryfrog: ogm, he said :-)

[13:49:23]

fryfrog:

oh, duh sorry :)3~

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fryfrog:

er, i dunno wtf 3~ is or how i put it there :/

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fryfrog:

are there any hardware dvd players that do h264, like they have xvid/divx ones?

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, i've seen some dreadful subtitles. one of the steps in making a rip is running OCR on the subtitle stream, as a nice anti-aliased truetype font displayed (or not) at playtime sure beats blocky scaled bitmaps

[13:50:27]

fryfrog:

or maybe only the HD-DVD / Blu-Ray would do that?

[13:50:39]

tzanger:

yes I have generally had bad luck with subtitles

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tzanger:

most of the time it's due to idiots using white text on light backgrounds

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fryfrog:

humm, i didn't realize that about subs on dvd, i just assumed they were text :/

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directhex|work:

avidemux will do OCR, but tends to screw up the timing badly

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, if they're video, it negates the need for fonts in the player

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fryfrog:

ahhhh

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, e.g. arabic fonts, random characters like musical notes, etc

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fryfrog:

makes sense now that i think about it :)

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directhex|work:

the reason for not using AVI is that container doesn't really support multiple streams – jsut one audio and one video

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directhex|work:

any files you've seen otherwise use unofficial extensions to the spec

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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directhex|work:

and of the remaining containers, OGM and MKV are most flexible – but OGM is significantly better supported

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fryfrog:

do you know if any *hardware* can playback ogm?

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fryfrog:

i mean, like stand alone dvd player

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tzanger:

fryfrog: my myth frontend can. :-)

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directhex|work:

not AFAIK

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tzanger:

fryfrog: but I doubt it

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fryfrog:

the only reason i'd ever really burn off movies i rip to dvd again would be if i got a hardware palyer for myself or parents or something

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directhex|work:

tank-man, yes. but generally inflexible

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tzanger:

I'm genuinely curious as to your h264 invocation, though... I seem to be unable to do constant quantizer with -qsize, it seems locked at 31 :-(

[14:00:57]

directhex|work:

i do 2-pass, and let avidemux handle the fine detail for me

[14:01:09]

directhex|work:

i've not managed to do a working rip when doing it manually with mencoder

[14:02:00]

fysa:

if you're new to it, you may want to try one of the Windows-based converter GUIs.

[14:02:16]

tzanger:

I'm using ffmpeg, mencoder doesn't seem to be my friend, but ffmpeg isn't my friend for h264. xvid is perfect though

[14:02:16]

fysa:

http://x264.nl/ – MeGUI is pretty good.

[14:02:36]

tzanger:

fysa: no win32 machines :-)

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tank-man:

tzanger, i use a modified ffmpeg to make x264 vids for my psp. if you google psp avc linux you can see the example script

[14:03:13]

directhex|work:

megui sucks, and isn't win32-specific for any good reason either

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fysa:

avisynth..

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directhex|work:

it's .net and runs command-line apps to do the real work, so should trivially run on windows

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tzanger:

tank-man: I saw an ipod video h264 convert script but frankly the command line was about 500 characters and it appeard that he was rewriting the ffmpeg encoder in the script. :-)

[14:04:09]

directhex|work:

!windows even

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fysa:

avisynth for linux is a travesty at the moment.

[14:04:27]

fryfrog:

i never could get into liking megui, but AutoGK seemed to do nicely for me

[14:04:47]

directhex|work:

i've tried a LOT of ripping tools

[14:04:56]

directhex|work:

megui isn't on the radar

[14:05:11]

fryfrog:

hehe

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tzanger:

unfortunately none of the encoders I've tried are any good at taking my decrypted (but slightly damaged) vobs and converting them

[14:05:27]

fryfrog:

i used to use dvd-shrink, when i was just making them into ISOs

[14:05:35]

directhex|work:

tzanger, see how avidemux deals with them

[14:05:50]

tzanger:

mplayer plays them pretty much prefectly, with obvious glitches in video/audio whenever it hits a bad spot, but ffmpeg, etc. all turn out an avi which is unplayable

[14:05:54]

directhex|work:

tzanger, avidemux is fine unless the input has non-uniform framerate. at which point it's useless

[14:06:05]

tzanger:

directhex|work: ahh

[14:06:13]

tzanger:

it's non-uniform right at the very start

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directhex|work:

i.e. great for PAL users

[14:06:20]

tzanger:

but I should be able to skpi the first 100 frames and be done with it

[14:06:22]

directhex|work:

lame for NTSC

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Beirdo:

umm, NTSC has a uniform rate last I heard.

[14:08:19]

Beirdo:

funky, but uniform

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directhex|work:

Beirdo, NTSC DVD source material. it jumps between 30ish fps on progressive sections and 24ish fps on interlaced sections

[14:10:30]

Beirdo:

ahh, yeah, that's true. Film NTSC vs Broadcast NTSC. I've seen some DVDs do that. crappy encoding

[14:10:32]

juski:

other way around, I'd have thought

[14:10:44]

Beirdo:

and yeah, other way around

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directhex|work:

Beirdo, take http://librarian.launchpad.net/6836365/futuramatest.txt as an example. or the sin city dvd i've been trying to rip for a week

[14:10:59]

directhex|work:

meh, whatever way round it is, it's broken

[14:11:11]

Beirdo:

it's lame, but it works :)

[14:11:38]

directhex|work:

it works except when trying to rip a dvd without woe!

[14:11:43]

directhex|work:

demux_mpg: 30000/1001fps NTSC content detected, switching framerate.

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directhex|work:

demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching framerate.

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

fun stuff

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juski:

in the same movie section? eek!

[14:12:24]

Beirdo:

should just deinterlace the whole thing to Film NTSC (24000/1001)

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directhex|work:

i'm at the point where i'd rather borrow peoples' PAL discs than rip my own NTSC ones

[14:12:45]

juski:

yeah well PAL is higher res anyway :-P

[14:13:00]

fryfrog:

PAL FTW!

[14:13:08]

Beirdo:

heh

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fryfrog:

yeah, well NTSC has more letters!

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directhex|work:

broadcast NTSC is fine, since it's uniform. the bit that matters is the uniformity

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Beirdo:

yeah, stupid Americans just had to invent their own "standard" for everything

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directhex|work:

if anyone can find an incantation i can use to help my ntsc ripping, i'd be grateful

[14:13:46]

fryfrog:

bah, you mean the rest of the world just has to go against the US!!!

[14:13:46]

juski:

we'

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juski:

we're lucky in the UK. we almost got NTSC oursevles

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Beirdo:

back in the day, I'd always deinterlace to 23.976FPS

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fryfrog:

time to move back to CH :/

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fryfrog:

MORE GUNS RAR!

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anykey_:

fryfrog: no dvb-c here :(

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Beirdo:

took a lot of CPU, but gave decent results... like 10 years ago

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fryfrog:

okay, no CH then

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directhex|work:

juski, download http://librarian.launchpad.net/6836365/futuramatest.txt then grip it for "NTSC" (which happens each time the framerate changes). that's a single 22-minute ep of futurama

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directhex|work:

Beirdo, using which tool?

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anykey_:

fryfrog: well, we have dvb-c, but encrippled ;)

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fysa:

MeGUI works just fine. Like you said, it's just an interface to command-line programs like anything else. There's nothing you can do anything else that doesn't work in MeGUI. The real fun is mastering the avisynth plugins and scripts, which we desperately need to get working in linux.

[14:15:17]

Beirdo:

Oh god, I don't recall. FlaskMPEG under Winblows I think

[14:15:24]

juski:

directhex|work: maybe they do that to 'better' optimise the content

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juski:

bit-misers ;)

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fryfrog:

directhex|work: any idea why it changes so much?

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Beirdo:

I think juski hit the nail on the head

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fryfrog:

ah, i see

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juski:

there's a thread on -users about channel 5 in the UK allegedly doing that

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Beirdo:

in low-motion areas, they use progressive, in high-motion (to save bits on the output), they switch to interlaced

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fryfrog:

sneaky bitches!

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Beirdo:

which is bloody lame, especially for futurama, as it was ALL interlaced to start with, just leave it that way

[14:18:52]

fysa:

AutoMKV seems to be the new 'choice.' http://automkv.wiki-site.com/index.php/Main_Page

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Beirdo:

pretty sure they animated that in broadcast NTSC as it was to be broadcast on Fox

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juski:

cartoons are always progressive though

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fryfrog:

fysa: is that something like AutoGK?

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Beirdo:

for stuff that was filmed (movies), I wish they'd just leave it all as film NTSC rate with no interlacing when making the dang DVD

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hugolp:

Hi I have a question regarding mythvideo

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juski:

Beirdo: ahh but you see then – then they wouldn't have room on the DVD for 15 hours of 'extras'

[14:20:53]

Beirdo:

sure they would. :) fewer FPS, so it should take less space, no?

[14:20:54]

hugolp:

The configuration with the IMDB information is for each front end or is it for all of them?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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juski:

interlaced frames – less difference between keyframes, lower bitrate?

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hugolp:

I mean if I do the configuration in one front end does it work in all of them or just in the one I did?

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Beirdo:

juski, quite likely. I'm sure it's all computerized to maximize "quality" at a given bitrate or something

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hugolp:

juski: not really like you said

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hugolp:

it actually can be more difference between frames in interlaced than progresive

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hugolp:

juski I have a doubt about configuration for the IMDB information

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directhex|work:

juski, if you look at babylon 5 dvds, the CGI is interlaced, the live action is progressive – almost as if it were rendered interlaced

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hugolp:

if the network directory name is going to be different for each front end is that going to be a problem?

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gardengnome:

i think it should be mounted in the same place

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hugolp:

thats what I though

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hugolp:

so now, can I mount a directory in linux as if it was a hd?

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hugolp:

can I do that editing fstab?

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directhex|work:

you could just use a symlink

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directhex|work:

or using bind mounts if you really want to (mount -t none -o bind)

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directhex|work:

gah, is there a way to subscribe to a ticket in myth's trac?

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hugolp:

directhex|work: whats symlink?

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jarle:

hugolp: "man ln"

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directhex|work:

hugolp, like a shortcut, but not sucky. "ln -s /something/to/point/to /place/to/point/from"

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hugolp:

thanks and whats the difference using mount and ln?

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directhex|work:

use ln.

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juski:

time for home, this ghastly monday

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hugolp:

directhex|work: I am going to use ln. I would like to know the difference, because mount and ln seem to do the same.

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Dibblah:

Okay. Who's for registering uwe-must-die.org?

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stuarta:

hehe.

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gardengnome:

Dibblah: where can i find that thread?

[14:34:50]

planktonboy:

hi all

[14:35:00]

planktonboy:

hi GardenGnome

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Dibblah:

_every_ single post I've seen by him is unnecessarily abusive.

[14:35:21]

planktonboy:

guess what guys...I'm in Canada

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directhex|work:

hugolp, a soft symbolic link is just a shortcut. literally. it's a file which points to another file. a bind mount uses the kernel's mount infrastructure to make part of a disk visible elsewhere. the only advantage is it survives going into a chroot, whilst symlinks don't

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, sounds like j000rg!

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planktonboy:

awesome place

[14:35:53]

directhex|work:

planktonboy, canada, eh?

[14:35:53]

planktonboy:

hi directhex

[14:36:06]

planktonboy:

yeah just got here yesterday

[14:36:31]

planktonboy:

only staying for a few days though, uncle's funeral

[14:36:46]

planktonboy:

but its really beautiful

[14:36:50]

tank-man:

dont be celibrating

[14:37:01]

Dibblah:

"Brazilian fascistoid opinion block head dictator"... Nice.

[14:37:42]

Dibblah:

It just goes on... And on...

[14:38:22]

Dibblah:

directhex|work: That's not the only difference.

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hugolp:

directhex|work: thanks, so I am guessing ln is more light. Last question: If I use ln will it survive a booting? If it doesnt is there any way I can make an automatic ln each time I boot?

[14:38:34]

gardengnome:

i wish uwe would speak proper english. that'd make him less ridiculuos

[14:38:54]

planktonboy:

anyway, I was in wallmart yesterday and saw a Harmony 520 remote and thought about getting one, was about $120, and thought I would ask here if the 520 model was the one to go for

[14:38:58]

Dibblah:

A bind mount also will not follow other mounts (/proc, /sys, /dev), etc.

[14:39:12]

planktonboy:

and also if thats a reasonable price

[14:39:19]

Dibblah:

So it's literally _just_ the filesystem that's present on that device.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, no, it's not the only difference. but i wanted a quick, complex-sounding answer that would support the "just use symlinks" point

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hugolp:

directhex|work: and it worked

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Dibblah:

directhex|work: :)

[14:40:41]

gardengnome:

Dibblah: has someone answered "lolz stfu!11" already?

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hugolp:

but can you tell me if a symblink has to be done each time I boot or once its done, it will remain there?

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directhex|work:

hugolp, a symlink is a file. it's as stable as the directory it lives in

[14:41:22]

Dibblah:

gardengnome: Surprisingly, no. And I don't have the required authority, otherwise I'd seriously consider it.

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hugolp:

ok thanks directhex|work

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Dibblah:

Although I am mentioned in a dvb commit ;)

[14:42:01]

gardengnome:

Dibblah: :)

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directhex|work:

stuarta, sorry, i had assumed that the packages were build with debugging symbols, since they have --compile-type=debug. i'm adding support for a -dbg package to the required files, and rebuilding

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planktonboy:

anyway, gotta go, out sightseeing today, later all :))

[14:44:54]

Dibblah:

directhex|work: Are you sure it's not just =profile?

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stuarta:

directhex|work: ???

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directhex|work:

#3380

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stuarta:

the uk backend crash on bad reception?

[14:45:35]

directhex|work:

Dibblah, jms@osc-bigmac:/tmp/mythtv-0.20-svn20070122$ grep debug debian/rules

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directhex|work:

CONFIGURE_OPTS += --compile-type=debug

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directhex|work:

stuarta, yes

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Dibblah:

That's a released package?

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stuarta:

directhex|work: if you can, i'd also like you to test svn, we've fixed many many bugs in that area

[14:46:01]

gardengnome:

directhex|work: it's possible that the debug symbols are stripped. i suppose they are put into a special package which you can install

[14:46:11]

directhex|work:

yes. the debug info is subsequently stripped

[14:46:19]

Dibblah:

That's... Dumb :(

[14:46:48]

directhex|work:

stuarta, it's possible, but mildly awkward given the protocol version change

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stuarta:

directhex|work: backup your database and you can always go back

[14:47:40]

Dibblah:

No, it's not. Debug does some other pessimations.

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directhex|work:

oop, wouldn't have thought to back up the DB. i'll do that

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Dibblah:

--compile-type=profile would be OK.

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stuarta:

profile isn't great for debug, but better than nothing

[14:48:25]

gardengnome:

Dibblah: true, it won't be as fast as --compile-type=release.

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stuarta:

still includes the line numbers which is the important bit

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Dibblah:

Sometimes. With a certain fuzz-factor.

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, i'll file a "make a bloody decision" bug

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Dibblah:

Oooh. Looks like the multirecording stuff might have some interesting fallout.

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gbee:

?

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Dibblah:

I still don't see how he's going to get round the scheduler neatly, though :(

[14:51:22]

Dibblah:

Daniel's branch.

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Dibblah:

Daniel's other branch :)

[14:52:01]

Dibblah:

If I'm reading it right, with some more futzing, it should allow shared-live as well.

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gbee:

I know what you mean by 'multirecording stuff', it's the fallout bit ;)

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directhex|work:

damn, i must've screwed up something there. the package is empty

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Dibblah:

Packages are overrated.

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Dibblah:

However, I have to admit to moving to ubnut...

[14:55:12]

Dibblah:

Not having to wait 40 minutes for QT to install is... Different.

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gbee:

packages are fine for things you don't want to mess with, I couldn't imagine compiling every app I have installed

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fryfrog:

Dibblah: another gentoo -> ubuntu bitch?

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honree:

hello

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: Indeed.

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fryfrog:

HI!

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honree:

:)

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fryfrog:

Dibblah: welcome to the club, it kind of feels good eh? :)

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directhex|work:

aha, found it. changing debhelper version to 5, rebuilding

[14:57:34]

Dibblah:

However, it is running in a KVM session :)

[14:57:59]

honree:

does anyone know, is there a way to reinitialise the mysql database used on mythtv without reinstalling mythtv from scratch?

[14:57:59]

fryfrog:

Dibblah: though I still love gentoo and sometimes wish for it back. I just *know* how to do shit in gentoo, in ubuntu i have to figure out the "ubuntu" way

[14:58:05]

fryfrog:

a KVM session?

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: Google helps.

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fryfrog:

honree: erm, that... doesn't compute?

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directhex|work:

fryfrog, different, not worse

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Dibblah:

qemu-kvm.

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fryfrog:

KVM keyboard, video, mouse

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honree:

id like to start over from scratch

[14:58:47]

fryfrog:

i didn't say anything about worse :)

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fryfrog:

drop the db and re-create it

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fryfrog:

mysqladmin -u root -p drop mythconverg

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fryfrog:

s/drop/create

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fryfrog:

done, re run mythtv-setup, etc

[14:59:24]

honree:

is mc.sql required?

[14:59:28]

honree:

im not sure i have it

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fryfrog:

I'm actually really loving 7.04

[14:59:38]

fryfrog:

honree: humm, that is a good question

[14:59:44]

Dibblah:

Yes, it is.

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fryfrog:

what distro you using?

[14:59:51]

fryfrog:

guess its been a while :)

[14:59:54]

honree:

mythdora

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fryfrog:

as root, youc ould try "slocate -u && slocate mc.sql"

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honree:

doing a find as we speak

[15:00:31]

fryfrog:

or maybe someone who knows mythdora knows where they put mc.sql

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directhex|work:

ooh, seems there's lots of linker-related things happening. it must be ready to spit out a dbg package for me

[15:00:44]

fryfrog:

honree: learn and love slocate, its like find but omgwtfbbq :)

[15:01:12]

honree:

it's ok if slocate has built the cache

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honree:

find works on the live f/s

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fryfrog:

and if it hasn't, its the same as find

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fryfrog:

and then *later* searches are fast :)

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honree:

ok, didnt know that, thanks :)

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directhex|work:

-rw-r--r-- 1 jms jms 23M 2007-04–30 16:01 libmyth-0.20-dbg_0.20-svn20070122–0.0ubuntu6_amd64.deb

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directhex|work:

yay, that's better!

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honree:

cool

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honree:

my basic problem is that i cant make recordings...

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fryfrog:

on systems where i don't have slocate (ie, my router)

[15:02:54]

honree:

i can watch live tv on the machine that is running the server (backend)

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honree:

i enter a program into the schedule

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honree:

and it appears correct

[15:03:23]

honree:

then at the time of the recording i get an error in the log

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honree:

which says channel cannot be found

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fryfrog:

whats it say? if it is long, pastebin it

[15:03:55]

directhex|work:

stuarta, okay, there we go, required voodoo to build a proper -dbg package deciphered. i'll try it this evening

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honree:

2007-04–30 16:00:02.530 TVRec(1): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

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honree:

2007-04–30 16:00:02.534 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

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honree:

2007-04–30 16:00:02.994 DVBChan(0) Error: Unable to find channel in database.

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honree:

2007-04–30 16:00:02.995 DVBChan(0) Error: SetChannelByString(BBC ONE Mi): Failed to initialize channel options

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honree:

2007-04–30 16:00:02.995 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to BBC ONE Mi. Reverting to kState_None

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fryfrog:

honree: sounds like maybe you just didn't get mythtv-setup quite right

[15:04:12]

fryfrog:

SIR

[15:04:19]

fryfrog:

"if it is long, pastebin it"

[15:04:19]

honree:

i guess so

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fryfrog:

make sure you setup a card, setup a channel listing, then bind the channel listing to the card's correct input

[15:05:34]

gbee:

Hmm, how did you create the channel list? that callsign looks wrong for a proper channel scan

[15:05:38]

honree:

i might not have done that bit

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fryfrog:

yeah, actually i was gonna say that

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directhex|work:

yeah, that doesn't look much like what the beeb calls itself

[15:06:12]

fryfrog:

i thought channel should be a number like "01" or what ever?

[15:06:15]

honree:

unfortunately i cant remmeber the details – it was about 2 months ago i setup the server, then only now i look at it again :(

[15:06:25]

fryfrog:

oic!

[15:07:07]

honree:

there is a script specific to the radio times website iirc

[15:07:11]

honree:

which i ran

[15:07:21]

honree:

then mythfilldatabase

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directhex|work:

so you have xmltv data, but it's not mapped to channel listings

[15:07:45]

directhex|work:

why not use EIT, since it's freeview?

[15:07:52]

directhex|work:

it's much easier to get working

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honree:

direct: re mapping, i can do that now cant i?

[15:08:39]

honree:

what is eit?

[15:08:48]

fryfrog:

Elf In Transit

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fryfrog:

probably

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fryfrog:

i mean, at least if i were making acronyms

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Dibblah:

Event Information Table, ISTR.

[15:09:28]

fryfrog:

ISTR?

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Dibblah:

I seem to recall.

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directhex|work:

honree, the freeview program guide, the one that means set-top boxes have program guide info

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directhex|work:

honree, it flies through the sky. like magic!

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honree:

i didnt know myth supported it, sorry

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gbee:

honree: go to mythtv-setup, delete all the channels and run a scan

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honree:

lol

[15:10:05]

honree:

oh ok

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honree:

hang on

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directhex|work:

gbee, set up an EIT guide data source first, surely?

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honree:

nothing found so far

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honree:

oooo!

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honree:

i can see BBC flying past!

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honree:

in the sky like magic ;)

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gbee:

his problem is that he imported channel information through xmltv without scanning, that means the necessary tuning information will be missing

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honree:

i wish id come here earlier

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directhex|work:

gbee, yeah, then comes the manual channel->xmltv mapping

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gbee:

directhex|work: yeah, although in this case, to keep things simple EIT would be better

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honree:

i think that sounds like the way forward

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honree:

ok ive deleted my old channels and now ive scanned i ahve a load of new ones

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gbee:

in a way, mythtv-setup has those two steps the wrong way around for DVB channels – scanning needs to be done before settings up the listings source otherwise you tend to end up with an unholy mess

[15:14:36]

a5benwillis:

Im rebuilding my Myth box and wondered if I should mount my large storage partition as /var/lib as suggested??

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honree:

should i run mythfilldatabase now or do i need to clean that somehow

[15:14:43]

directhex|work:

the advantages to tv_grab_uk_rt are the longer data (2 weeks, not 1 week) and occasionally higher quality data (more detailed)

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directhex|work:

a5benwillis, mount it wherever you like. as long as the configs know where to save recordings, you're fine

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gbee:

a5benwillis: I'm not aware anywhere recommends that!

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directhex|work:

a5benwillis, i use /data/MythTV/ for myth

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stuarta:

more detailed often equals plot spoilers

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fryfrog:

directhex|work: krikey, i use /data/recordings/!

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directhex|work:

stuarta, king kong dies! and the titanic sinks!

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fryfrog:

directhex|work: maybe we are twins :/

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sid3windr:

I use /home/storage/MythTV, what do I win? :P

[15:16:08]

fryfrog:

the allies win too!

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fryfrog:

sid3windr: nothing, you lose

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fryfrog:

:)

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gbee:

/mnt/myth/recrdings/

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fryfrog:

but your user "storage" is one lucky bitch

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a5benwillis:

ok, I cant find the link now but they were obviously wrong :)

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gbee:

a5benwillis: there is nothing very wrong with /var/lib/ but it's not really an intuitive location – it's usually where libraries are stored ;)

[15:18:15]

a5benwillis:

yeah, thats what I noticed. I wanted the location to onlyhave videos so I could reinstall and not loose them

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fryfrog:

a5benwillis: yeah, you are actually welcome to mount your space where ever you like

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fryfrog:

but yeah, /var/lib is weird :)

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fryfrog:

I used to use like "/mnt/raid5" but got ... unhappy

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fryfrog:

so i just mount my 1.5TB in /data

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fryfrog:

then make sub dirs off that for various things

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juski:

directhex|work: occasionally more detailed? sheesh. Their reviewers constantly spoil plots & waffle on about directorial histories

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a5benwillis:

anyone heard anything about this http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3373#preview

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directhex|work:

juski, that means detail!

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honree:

what do i do after scanned channels guys?

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a5benwillis:

I guess I'll just patch dvbstreamdata.h again for this reinstall

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gardengnome:

honree: reading the documentation?

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juski:

directhex|work: that means too much info to fit on one screen even when you select the 'show programme details' clicky

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directhex|work:

juski, that means detail!

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juski:

but, at least it's 'free'

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

what detail

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directhex|work:

GhostFreeman|ssh, waffle 'n' spoilers

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fryfrog:

OH SHIT!

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

two lines should be more than enough

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sid3windr:

=)

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fryfrog:

sounds like some of my pr0n

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directhex|work:

juski, you don't get that much detail on either EIT or RT for television x

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

why don't we create an open repository on tv shows then?

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juski:

directhex|work: yeah, but for channels like that you can just substitute "soft stuff that doesn't do much for anybody" yourself

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juski:

aaanyway

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directhex|work:

juski, i don't know how to use multiple EPG sources though :(

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directhex|work:

stupid can't-broadcast-R18-material laws

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juski:

I got the impression you can more or less just say to use both xmltv & EIT data

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juski:

with cross-source EIT niceties coming eventually.. like keep yer 2 weeks, verbose data but if the schedule changes, you get updates ASAP

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juski:

course that depends on watertight regex & the EIT monkeys being consistent..

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stuarta:

a5benwillis: we're looking at it.

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directhex|work:

cross-source EIT?

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juski:

the latter being the potential problem

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directhex|work:

god i'm hungry. i'm off to buy a muffin

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stuarta:

juski: the cross site EIT is for broken providers, we don't need it in the UK

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juski:

ah okees. my bad

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: thanks, I see that you assigned it to yourself. Just checking

[15:27:13]

a5benwillis:

Hoping to be able to use mythweb after this fresh install. Then getting the remote working. Lirc was being a pain.

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: Yes, it was very simple

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: I do get a LOT of EITscanning on non EPG chans though.

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** stuarta ponders more funky configuration. **

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idler:

hi guys

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idler:

I'm just installing mythtv-database on feisty and it's trying to run mysqladmin for root without password and fails because I do have a password

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idler:

how can I change that?

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directhex|work:

is the package installed?

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tank-man:

run mysqladmin for root with password then

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idler:

/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: mythtv-database is broken or not fully installed

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directhex|work:

dpkg-reconfigure -plow mythtv-database

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idler:

-plow doesn't change that

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sunnyhours:

i'm a little stuck. i got mythtv up and running. this is my second install..... i can't remember where the option for enable opengl enhanced gui effects is. anyone know?

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directhex|work:

setup/appearance in the frontend. change the painter for qt to opengl

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hugolp:

sunnyhours: I configuration appareance

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sunnyhours:

ahhhh........ i think i saw that. thanks

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juski:

blootube-wide is the winner!

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idler:

ah well, I just wiped the root password for mysql for now

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idler:

quite dodgy though

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sunnyhours:

idler: do you know how to use myphpadmin to reset it?

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sunnyhours:

juski: heh, winner for most memory or least?

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juski:

sunnyhours: most!

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sunnyhours:

juski: =) any idea what the least is?

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a5benwillis:

where can I see blootube-wide?

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directhex|work:

juski, you beat mepo, despite the animation?

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a5benwillis:

is that in the themes package?

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juski:

directhex|work: yep

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juski:

a5benwillis: not yet

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directhex|work:

juski, score!

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a5benwillis:

any screenshots out there :)

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directhex|work:

juski, looks like i shoulda splashed out on 2gib ram instead of 1!

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juski:

www.$mynick.co.uk

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a5benwillis:

I've been partial to myththeater-wide

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juski:

a5benwillis: wtf is that when it's at home? never heard of it

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juski:

seems google doesn't know either

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a5benwillis:

oops

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a5benwillis:

mythcenter-wide

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idler:

sunnyhours: I don't use myphpadmin. the problem was that dpkg required the password to be blank and I didn't want to do it. it's all good now

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sunnyhours:

idler: oh, gotcha

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a5benwillis:

juski: sorry abt that...

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sunnyhours:

how does one set an OSD theme?

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directhex|work:

sunnyhours, same place

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juski:

nope

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directhex|work:

or was it tv settings?

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sunnyhours:

what's it labeled as? is that what menu theme is?

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directhex|work:

somewhere like that

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juski:

tv playback settings

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** juski doesn't use themes that aren't spelled properly **

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juski:

rules out anything with 'center' in its name pretty much :-P

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directhex|work:

juski, file a bug asking for it to be renamed "mythmiddle-wide"

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sunnyhours:

found it. thanks.

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

btw we have any amount of money to hire a real icon/graphic designer for the website project?

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juski:

I considered calling blootube 'YABT'

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juski:

GhostFreeman|ssh: hahahaha

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

I thought not

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directhex|work:

mythtv needs a big fat "donate" button anyway. i click donate buttons on projects i use

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juski:

how much time do we donate here? how much'd that be worth?

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juski:

I've easily given over Â£10,000 to mythtv, in terms of time spent making themes alone

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directhex|work:

juski, consider it a way to get some kind of tangible contribution from users who are otherwise just users & wouldn't contribute anything

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sunnyhours:

hmm....anyone know how to get themes in ubuntu that aren't in the main release package?

[15:50:17]

juski:

rsdvd: you know the one thing about the digitalspy channel data? there's no category info :(

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juski:

sunnyhours: download em. unpack them into the right place

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a5benwillis:

bluetube-wide.... very nice

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juski:

loads linked to from the wiki

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directhex|work:

sunnyhours, mythtv-themes package i think for the bulk of them. otherwise, download things from the wiki

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stuarta:

juski: what do you need from the channel data?

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

so far i've donated 20 hours of work

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

I don't even know what I would charge...at least 1500 USD?

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sunnyhours:

where is the right place on ubuntu?

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directhex|work:

donations aren't to pay people, they're to do things like offset travel costs for shows

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directhex|work:

sunbug, /usr/share/mythtv/themes i think

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

and food

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juski:

stuarta: kind of what I've already got.. channel name, what packages it's in, number, xmltvid

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sunnyhours:

ahh, is that for themese and osd themes?

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directhex|work:

sunnyhours, yes

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directhex|work:

man, i'm rememberin' all the paths an' packages today

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sunnyhours:

directhex|work: thanks bub =) that was it

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juski:

jees wassup with pastebin.ca lately?

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juski:

stuarta: like http://www.pastebin.ca/465771

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

anyways if we had the resources I'd say we could get david vignoni to make us an icon at least. He did some graphics for KDE and Suse I believe

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directhex|work:

Dibblah, can you comment on the differences with --compile-type=debug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/111254& nbsp;?

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

but who knows how much he charges :x

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juski:

GhostFreeman|ssh: there are plenty of CC icons we could borrow & adapt for our own use

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

that's true

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directhex|work:

i still think deviantart is the untapped resource for artists

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

but I was referring to something distinct to go with our logo. something users could see a recognize it with the project

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juski:

I wouldn't mind seeing what chokemaniac could do with a mythtv theme

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

it would also serve as a favicon which is pretty much a must in this age of tabbed browsers

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juski:

GhostFreeman|ssh: such as?

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stuarta:

directhex|work: nobody has made the comment that --compile-type release uses better compiler options

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juski:

GhostFreeman|ssh: favicon would be easy peasy

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

I donno, I keep thinking an old-timey tv with a hard drive sticking out of it

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

stupid as it sounds

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directhex|work:

<gardengnome> Dibblah: true, it won't be as fast as --compile-type=release.

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juski:

GhostFreeman|ssh: I made a square mythtv logo for a t-shirt last year

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directhex|work:

and my scrollback isn't QUITE long enough to see further than that

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juski:

instantly recognisable ;)

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

could it be scaled down and simplified to a favicon?

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sunnyhours:

okay, i know where to put it. now i can't figure out where to download them off the wiki page

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honree:

mmm now i scan and no channels are found

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stuarta:

directhex|work: is there are debug package you can install?

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Dagmar:

GhostFreeman: That's 16 pixels across. Don't be crazy

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directhex|work:

stuarta, no. but i've modified the build rules to enable it

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Dagmar:

It's not likely to work unless the shirt looks like one of these http://www.cafepress.com/ironicsans/1843266

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

well its an inspiration for an icon right?

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stuarta:

directhex|work: they imply that there are mythtv & mythtv-dbg packages

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directhex|work:

stuarta, they're wrong. debian/rules specifies "dh_strip -a" which removes all debug symbols

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juski:

GhostFreeman|ssh: mythweb has a favicon

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stuarta:

yep, so even the -dbg package is stripped?

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sunnyhours:

how do you download theme packages off the wiki?

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juski:

sunnyhours: click on the links that take you to the theme homepage, then download it. jesus h fucking christ

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Dagmar:

agreed

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isidoro:

hi

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directhex|work:

stuarta, it doesn't exist. not user-accessible anyway. as far as i can tell, some build-level diversion voodoo is performed so bug reports using the official reportbug tool gain debug symbols from the web

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sunnyhours:

yeah, thanks for the attitude too

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sunnyhours:

sorry we can't all do this 24/7

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juski:

what? know how to download files?!

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Dagmar:

sunnyhours: how clueless does one have to be to not be able to figure out how to *download* things from a website

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a5benwillis:

Is it possible to have mythtv start watching LIVE tv as soon as it starts?

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Dagmar:

a5benwillis: it pretty much does, man

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stuarta:

directhex|work: ugh...

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a5benwillis:

Dagmar: As apposed to coming up to the munu..

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directhex|work:

stuarta, i'm off home now. remind me i need to do things, when i reappear at ~7ish!

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stuarta:

a5benwillis: why would you want that?

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stuarta:

directhex|work: that's when i'll be back too

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sunnyhours:

not all the links are going to a theme homepage. some are random links, and some are just another link to the same picture

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

dont look at me I just idle here

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: maybe I dont. Just wondering :)

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sunnyhours:

the simple gray osd theme for example

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

juski, you gonna draw up a favicon?

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Dibblah:

directhex|work: Do you have some sort of additional verbose options running?

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Dibblah:

ie -v channel, I think...

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Dibblah:

stuarta: Is that still a problem?

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Dibblah:

Since it's failing in PAT::toString...

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stuarta:

Dibblah: 99% unlikely

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stuarta:

that's why i'd like him to try svn

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Dibblah:

:)

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isidoro:

Dibblah: with some card type I have unknoun/generic saa7134

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isidoro:

I have mythtv-0.20-svn from feisty

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stuarta:

isidoro: have you got it working outside of myth yet?

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isidoro:

stuarta: I tried tvtime but I am not sue tvtime was installed correctly

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stuarta:

isidoro: you need to take a few steps back

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juski:

isidoro: tvtime doesn't work with digital cards

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stuarta:

1st verify it's detected under linux and you get the relevant device nodes created

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honree:

this autoscan doesnt work very well on this card

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honree:

i seem to remember it didnt work very well on windows either

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stuarta:

then try kaffeine, then move onto myth

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isidoro:

on windows this cards works ok with DigitalTV 3250

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honree:

Hauppauge HVR-1110

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idler:

alright, night everyone

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juski:

isidoro: knowing a tuner works in windows is no use whatsoever

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honree:

gets a lock on about 4 frequencies but no channels returned

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honree:

odd that it did it ok the first time tho

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juski:

GhostFreeman|ssh: gonna have a go drawing a favicon but I've got another project on the go right now

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

alright. I also made a post to the ML

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

its not like xris is gonna drop the time over sign on us anytime soon (I hope)

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fryfrog:

is "Hauppauge HVR-1110" supported in linux? What driver does it use?

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isidoro:

do i need install mythtv plugins in order to get configured my card?

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juski:

isidoro: no

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honree:

isidoro: sorry didnt mean you i was talking about mine

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honree:

fry: had to compile a custom kernel for it

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juski:

isidoro: as stuarta said, try kaffeine, then move onto mythtv

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isidoro:

juski: I have fesity

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juski:

I know you do

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juski:

install kaffeine

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juski:

kaffeine is like tvtime but for dvb tuners

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isidoro:

sudo apt-get install kaffeine

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isidoro:

ok I try

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juski:

I can't deal with this crap today

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stuarta:

right, i'm off home, back in a few hours....

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fryfrog:

good luck getting home!

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honree:

aha! if i scan for existing transport it works

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isidoro:

kaffeine says DVB-Device... No DVB-Devices found. The DVB related functions will be hidden.

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isidoro:

lspci

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isidoro:

??

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herbert:

Could anyone know why my mythtv-setup application tells me that there is no database found. I've done the two commands from the wiki, the wiki then says to run mythtv-setup, but it just knaws about a database not existing.

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isidoro:

dmesg says: saa7133[0]: subsystem: 1822:0022, board: UNKNOWN/GENERIC [card=0,autodetected]

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honree:

woah! nobody breath

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honree:

i think it's working!

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honree:

:D

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honree:

ohyea

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honree:

im watching time delayed snooker world championship!

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honree:

on a hauppauge MVP in fact

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opello:

yay snooker

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honree:

heh

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honree:

very high quality

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Zider:

*breathes*

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honree:

haha!

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gardengnome:

H0rb0rt: you need to read the official documentation.

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honree:

cheers for the pointers about scanning for channels

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honree:

anyone else here using a MVP?

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Hoxzer:

Can I setup mythplugins to compile against compiled (but installed) mythtv source ?

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gardengnome:

Hoxzer: um, are you sure that your question is correct?

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Merlin83b:

Hoxzer: If you mean not installed, probably an option to ./configure to tell it where to look for libs would do the trick.

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: I use the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . Installation webpage as documentation. I started the mysql ant mythtv-backend in runtime (I think)

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Hoxzer:

gardengnome: yeah yeah, I want to have compiled mythplugins and myththemes before I install mythtv

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: like they say above in the irc-channel.

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gardengnome:

H0rb0rt: you must give us exact error messages and tell us what exactly you have done so far. if you don't do this, i can only redirect you to the official documentation at www.mythtv.org

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Hoxzer:

Ok, I could at least install mythtv to "fake director" and use that to compile myththemes and mythplugins but can I just use --prefix=/mythtv/source ? I guess not...

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Merlin83b:

--prefix sets where it installs to, not where it looks for stuff.

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: I used Yast>>System>>SystemServices (Runlevel) to enable msql and mythtv-backend. I rebooted, and discovered an asterix behind the yes in front of the mythtvbackend, which meant that it is supposed to be started, but isn't running. I found the yes in the SystemServeces module again.

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: But even before I rebooted, but just after I did the enabling in teh SystemServices I inputed some commands: mainly two.

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gardengnome:

H0rb0rt: what did you enter?

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: first: mysqladmin -u root password Conjunction

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: second: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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gardengnome:

"Conjunction"?

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Hoxzer:

Merlin83b: do you think it might be possible to install things into custom prefix and then somehow create deb out of it?

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gardengnome:

Hoxzer: checkinstall, but it's ugly.

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: It's the password I use for things where i have to input the password in plain text

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: for my bow I have a different one of course

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Merlin83b:

Hoxzer: Never dealt with deb stuf I'm afraid.

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gardengnome:

H0rb0rt: does your password actually contain spaces? that's not exactly a good idea. anyways. can you connect to mysql using the user "mythtv" with password "mythtv"?

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gardengnome:

H0rb0rt: you should change that password since this channel is publically logged :)

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: No, there's no space in Conjunction

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: is it very bad that ppl know my sql password?

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gardengnome:

H0rb0rt: sure. it's even wose if that password is used to other services as well. especially if you are not behind NAT ;)

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H0rb0rt:

gardengnome: but since the professionality of hackers have decreased, really, ppl are brutforcing my login name!

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Dagmar:

Do we need to explain what "publicly logged" meaans?

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** gardengnome beers Dagmar **

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Dagmar:

*staggers around* *hic* Mah passwords ain't real hard to guess!

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: Hello, I've chatted with you before.

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar:

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gardengnome:

dude, you've got to know for yourself if you want your mysql database to be "hacked" or not

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: Several of my passwords are program-code, containing stuff like {, ! and =.

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Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: Great, that lets me know what dictionary to throw at them

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hugolp:

Whats the atribute "Browsable" of a video file? I change it but it seems to have no effect

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Dagmar:

STOP TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SECRET, FOO.

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: Is this what you want to know: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql ???

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: Do you really think that is my password? I may be braindead, but I know, oh no, that doesn't make sense.

[16:50:41]

afterwego02:

Anyone know anything about chipmunk audio and stuttering video in MythTV?

[16:51:08]

Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: You're arguing with someone who knows _far_ more about IT security than you do. Stop arguing.

[16:51:25]

hugolp:

anyone can tell me if the atribute "Browsable" of a video file in mythvideo does something?

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: Respect.

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afterwego02:

I wouldn't think that attribute would have anything to do with mythtv

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Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: Common sense.

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GreyFoxx:

hugolp: Yes, if the file is NOT set to browseable then it wont show up in your video list/gallery UNLESS you have it configured to browse the filesystem

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: I suspect that that bit's currently broken tho

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: At least, lately I've been seeing files that I flagged as not browsable showing up in the one-video-per-page view.

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GreyFoxx:

I use to use it, but then I just merged all multipart videos into single files

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GreyFoxx:

Ahhh

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Dagmar:

I figured it would probably go away again when I did my next update to 0.20-fixes

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GreyFoxx:

I'm just doing an update now, I'll try it when it's finished compiling

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hugolp:

GreyFoxx: I have configured it that way and they still show up

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hugolp:

I dont get it

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GreyFoxx:

Might very well be a bug

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hugolp:

all uncheck

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GreyFoxx:

it's been a while since I last used that feature

[17:01:55]

hugolp:

and they still show up

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hugolp:

ok

[17:02:23]

hugolp:

so its not me

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hugolp:

ok thanks

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: the ps-command suggest that /usr/bin/mysqld_safe and /usr/sbin/mysqld are running.

[17:04:10]

H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: the rc.mysqld command is not found, mysqld is, but wont accep't the argument status.

[17:04:19]

Dagmar:

This is linux.

[17:04:23]

Dagmar:

There are no "commands"

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: statements?

[17:04:38]

Dagmar:

Executeables.

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GhostFreeman|ssh:

there is only the terminal

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fysa:

anyone messed with voice control or webcam gestures and myth?

[17:04:47]

H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: ah, true.

[17:05:03]

H0rb0rt:

ROFL

[17:05:37]

H0rb0rt:

fysa: sounds like fancy features, that make your pc work sluggish.

[17:05:44]

Dagmar:

When you type something into the bash prompt, it searches itself first to see if it's actually an internal bash instruction you typed. Next it searches the directories in the $PATH variable for files whose names match what you just typed. If they're flagged executeable, it will try to execute them. If they're not, it throws an error.

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Dagmar:

rc.mysqld is not something that would likely ever be in a directory specified by $PATH

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fysa:

that's the point of all of this, isn't it? ;)

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: ah, nice.

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fysa:

if I didn't want fancy features, I wouldn't be using myth ;)

[17:06:24]

Dagmar:

`find /etc -name "rc.mysql*"` will almost certainly turn up where it is

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: this find command looks pretty fancy

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fysa:

my first step is simple motion detection on a webcam to pause a mouse.

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fysa:

er.

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fysa:

pause a movie.

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H0rb0rt:

fysa: did it work?

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fysa:

haven't started yet..

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honree:

reboot, bbl

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fysa:

I have a projector setup, so when people get up and walk in front of the screen (which is impossible to avoid), using a webcam to pause should be easy.

[17:14:10]

fysa:

if motion lasts so long, I should be able to trigger my lights to undim a bit

[17:14:20]

H0rb0rt:

Dagmar, the following "chkconfig mysqld on" gave me "mysqld: unknown service".

[17:14:29]

H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: is there some package I need to install?

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fysa:

http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome

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Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: Well, the "packager who knows what he's doing" package would help, but `chkconfig --list` might show you exactly what the init name is

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gardengnome:

fysa: you should be able to use the telnet interface of mythfrontend

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: thanx

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Dagmar:

I get the feeling you've just gotten the name wrong is all

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fysa:

good idea.

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gardengnome:

fysa: there's a linux program called "motion". maybe that's gonna do what you want

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fysa:

oo.

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fysa:

xine-remote works also..

[17:17:26]

fysa:

yeah, was looking at that now..

[17:18:31]

fysa:

should probably put it on the backend, so I can wake up the frontend with motion if needed.

[17:19:01]

H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: I get the feeling that what I'm looking for does not exist. I only have some mysql servise running, without the d.

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psofa:

has anyone here used the staircase scheduler with myth?

[17:19:52]

Dagmar:

H0rb0rt

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Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: That's becuase they're the same thing

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: the d is for deamon?

[17:20:22]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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GreyFoxx:

Looks like that browseable flag not being honoured is a bug

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I figured it wasn't even worth looking at trac about it because whoeever is familiar with that code would be able to fix it in about five minutes after they notice it

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Ryushin:

I finally caught the error that my backend gave out when the backend process crashed. Has anyone seen this "*** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x0981d35d ***"

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cyrexion:

Hello Guys... I'm new to MythTV. I am looking to build a box for supporting HD content. As far as processors are concerned, would you recommend single or dual core?

[17:37:35]

Ryushin:

dual core.

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Dagmar:

Doesn't much matter.

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Dagmar:

Playback is a single-threaded operation.

[17:38:06]

Dagmar:

The extra core just means your machine will alwyas have extra power while doing playback, but that's about it

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: When I now give the mysqladmin -u root password Conjunction command, it tells me that "connect to server at 'localhost' failed" and that "error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'". Does this mean there are some services not running that should be running?

[17:39:04]

Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: No, and it would help if you looked at documentation for these commands you're typing in.

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cyrexion:

right... however, there's the "quiet factor" — two cores will end up producing more heat (provided simultaneous usage), making the fan work harder

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a5benwillis:

Anyone have any install tips that will help me get mythweb working post mythtv installation?

[17:39:29]

Ryushin:

Especially if your box is doing something besides just playing back that hd recording.

[17:39:31]

Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: If there's already a password set (which is likely ebcuase it told you to bugger off) you need to add -p to that so it'll ask you about a password instead of assuming there isn't one

[17:39:45]

Dagmar:

a5benwillis: Reading the documentation for it is good

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: I'll try again, tahnx

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Ryushin:

cyrexion: It's easy to make the dual core quiet. Just choose the right heat sink.

[17:40:04]

Dagmar:

...considering that the documentation is mainly just how to install it. Using it doesn't need much

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a5benwillis:

Dagmar: I did, but, with my last installation I could never get itto work properly. Im on Ubuntu Edgy and think that their may have been an issue with a dependency.

[17:40:54]

Dagmar:

...or an issue with the package building being a loon.

[17:41:04]

Dagmar:

s/building/builder/;

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a5benwillis:

Dagmar: I'll see how/if it works after this new install finishes//

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Dagmar:

Edgy was batting 0/1000 for awhile there

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cyrexion:

Ryushin: and thermal paste

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Ryushin:

cyrexion: My dual core is speed controlled as well by how hot the cores get. Even at full speed, spinning at 3000 rpm, I can't hear it. The fan in my DLP makes more noise then my mythbox does with 6 drives in it.

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Dagmar:

cyrexion: *small* amounts of thermal paste, mind you, but that doens't really affect noise generation

[17:42:04]

a5benwillis:

Ryushin: My dual Core with OEM fan is LOUD!

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cyrexion:

Ryushin: wow... what processor / heat sink do you recommend?

[17:42:30]

orgy`:

can you think of a reason why both grabbers (tvtoday and prisma) stay in the "grab status" for forever?

[17:42:31]

Dagmar:

Getting a cooler with a larger (as in 80mm, 120mm if you're crazy) fan with a lower rotational speed

[17:42:39]

Dagmar:

_That_ makes for easy quiet

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fryfrog:

cyrexion: actually, i just read a review of a good hs

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fryfrog:

humm... Thermaltake 120 I believe?

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Dagmar:

OEM fans typically are chosen for their efficiency and durability. Quiet doesn't much figure into it

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fryfrog:

Thermalright Ultra 120 and the Thermalright 120

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fryfrog:

you can throw a big 120mm fan on it, they are slow spinning a move a good amount of air

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fryfrog:

but they claim it is also big enough to go fanless, zowie!

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Dagmar:

Stay AWAY from the "orb" coolers if you want quiet

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Dagmar:

I have one that can pretty much chop carrots

[17:45:02]

Dagmar:

It and "quiet" live in two different states.

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a5benwillis:

fryfrog: WOW, dunno if that will fit in my HTPC case lol

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Dagmar:

...not that I'd eat any carrots chopped with those things. Nasty.

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H0rb0rt:

Dagmar: If I am able to run the "mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql"-executable without exceptions, then Is it a problem when the "mysqladmin -u root password Conjunction" gives exceptions?

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fysa:

wow. the 'which' command is segfaulting.

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Dagmar:

Time to break out the rubber chicken

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cyrexion:

yeah, that's my concern as well... heatsink + fan > height of case? with the LC19 being on only 2.5 inches tall, I better do some more research

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Dagmar:

Think of it as a triangle, with "noisy", "cheap", and "small" at the points

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Dagmar:

s/noisy/quiet/;

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cyrexion:

good point

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: Should I use SVN trunk or fixes fir this new install.

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Dagmar:

a5benwillis: Are you a C++ programmer?

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a5benwillis:

Dagmar: No....

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Dagmar:

That would pretty much be the only reason other than "needed to support my weird hardware" for installing SVN HEAD

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Dagmar:

0.20-fixes will usually work fine

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Dagmar:

Dont' even try HEAD unless you're ready to accept "the consequences"

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a5benwillis:

I hada problem with Dish EIT, like many others, and I think he wanted me to try Trunk to seeif it would work...

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Dagmar:

Okay, so that falls under "needed to support" so try it

[18:01:06]

a5benwillis:

Dagmar: Now you have me scared lol

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Ryushin:

cyrexion: I'd be looking at the LC17 for a combo backend/frontend.

[18:05:44]

tzanger:

I do something simillar

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tzanger:

M2NPV-VM with 1U fan+hs, with 70mm fan replaced with a quiet 80mm one.

[18:06:27]

tzanger:

cool'n'quiet keeps it damn near silent, and the only time it spins up the fan is when it's rescaling mythtv icons. :-)

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Ryushin:

tzanger: You have the same motherboard as I have in my frontend. Are you able to play HD back on it without using XvMC?

[18:15:05]

tzanger:

I don't have any way of displaying HD content, so I don't know. :-)

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Ryushin:

I have a 2.0 ghz dual core and it's not able to playback HD except in XvMC or if I've transcoded it to mpeg4.

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Ryushin:

tzanger: Oh, okay. I think I have some kind of compile option that is messing up HD playback on it. I'll have to mess with it some more when I have time.

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tzanger:

I'm using minimyth for the frontend atm too

[18:16:47]

XLV:

anyone has any recommendation of a analog tv tuner with the best possible tuner quality?

[18:17:04]

a5benwillis:

Ryushin: Ouch.. I better get XvMC workingthen..

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cyrexion:

Ryushin: does the ML01 come with a fanless psu?

[18:27:17]

fryfrog:

Ryushin: What has a dual core 2ghz? AMD or Intel?

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fryfrog:

I do HD on a 3200+ AMD, I doubt that is much higher than 2ghz or so

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cyrexion:

fryfrog: how's the performance on that cpu ?

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fryfrog:

cyrexion: does fine for me

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cyrexion:

ok

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fryfrog:

cyrexion: I *used* to use a dual xeon 2.4ghz (p4) and *that* was just a smidge to little

[18:28:59]

Ryushin:

cyrexion: it's the stock fan that comes with the AMD cpu. The cool'n'quiet spins everything down so the thing is just a whisper and you have to be really close to hear it.

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fryfrog:

So I swapped the server with my frontend (the way it should have been) and everything has been super

[18:29:23]

Ryushin:

The fan in my DLP's tvs make much more noise then my myth boxes.

[18:29:32]

fryfrog:

actually, i think my HD frontend is a 3000+ (not that there is much diff)

[18:30:27]

fryfrog:

cat /proc/cpuinfo says it is a 3000+ at 1ghz

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fryfrog:

anyone know if that is accurate? doesn't jive with my memory

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fryfrog:

Ryushin: the ol' honey on the spindle trick? :)

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tzanger:

my head box is a sempron 3400+

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tzanger:

not EE

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fryfrog:

EE?

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tzanger:

lower-power version

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fryfrog:

oh

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tzanger:

I'm considering underclocking my 3400 too

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fryfrog:

plays HD okay?

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tzanger:

I don't play HD, as I'd mentioned... I have a regular old 32" tv

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fryfrog:

oh, gotcha

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fryfrog:

sempron 3400+ would be overkill for SD :)

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fryfrog:

I used to do 4x PVR250s and playback on an Athlon XP 1600+

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XLV:

fryfrog, if you have cool and quiet enabled in bios, cpu lowers the multiplier to 1x, so it runs at 1ghz ( or 800mhz for older cpus that ran on 800mhz ht bus )

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XLV:

fryfrog, how was tuner quality on those hauppage cards?

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tzanger:

I've got a pentium D 3GHz in the basement for all the hard stuff

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fryfrog:

XLV: my analog cable *blows* so it was pretty craptacular :(

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fryfrog:

I sold one to someone in this channel

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juski:

tuner quality on hauppauge pvr cards is about as good as you get

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fryfrog:

traded 2 more to someone for a PVR500 (also in this cahnnel)

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juski:

with analogue tuners anyway

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cal__:

there is no live-cd for mythtv back end, correct?

[18:35:07]

fryfrog:

so now i have a PVR500 and a PVR250 sitting on my computer desk :p

[18:35:07]

fryfrog:

2x idle air2pc HDTV cards in my server

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fryfrog:

and 2x firewire STBs doing all my recording, fairly unreliably :p

[18:35:28]

a5benwillis:

Anyone know if XvMC will work well with an Nvidia 7600GS?

[18:35:36]

fryfrog:

cal__: i don't think there'd be a point in a livecd for a be ?

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Ryushin:

fryfrog: Actually, hparm has a parameter to slow down the movement of the heads. Made a huge difference.

[18:35:55]

fryfrog:

a5benwillis: i've tried xvmc on a Ti4200 and a 6200 and not had any luck :/

[18:36:00]

kslater:

ok – weird one maybe – I have an HD channel that I can pull in that zap2it doesn't give me as an option. how do I get that channel into my lineup so I can schedule it?

[18:36:04]

fryfrog:

Ryushin: ah, i see. mainly it was a joke i was make :)

[18:36:26]

Ryushin:

I know, but just in case others wanted to know how I did it, I posted it.

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fryfrog:

kslater: pick an area in laps that offers

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fryfrog:

bah, it

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cyrexion:

What remote control setup would you recommend for mythTV ?

[18:36:58]

Ryushin:

a5benwillis: I'm doing it on a 6250 and can do it on my 7200.

[18:37:06]

fryfrog:

I love my Logitech Harmony remote

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a5benwillis:

fryfrog: I had some xvmc errors in backend but didnt get a change to diagnose. I suppose I'll compile with xvmc again just to see if it will work this time.

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Ryushin:

cyrexion: The one that comes with the pvr-150/250/350 cards.

[18:37:40]

Ryushin:

Or you can spend a lot more and get the harmony.

[18:37:47]

fryfrog:

Ryushin: do you do anything special to get XvMC working? According to everthing I can test, I could swear it should work... but all it does is play back real slow and stuttered

[18:37:49]

kslater:

fryfrog – already have a lineup for that tuner with outher channels

[18:37:49]

kslater:

I can't combine them. can i?

[18:38:02]

a5benwillis:

Ryushin: Anything required other than enabling it whilecompiling? I need to read more about this buthaventhad a chance...

[18:38:05]

fryfrog:

kslater: no, don't think so. find the "right" lineup and just switch it

[18:38:37]

kslater:

oh, you mean find one in the middle that shows both

[18:38:44]

fryfrog:

yeah

[18:38:46]

fryfrog:

er

[18:38:47]

fryfrog:

both?

[18:38:50]

cyrexion:

the harmony is amazing... I have one... perhaps I should have asked differently :) what receiver component do you have in your mythtv box so it can respond to a remote control ?

[18:38:56]

Ryushin:

a5benwillis: Well, you'll have to make a x.org change. It works for some and not others. XvMC is kind of a crap shoot, and I would very much like to not have to use it on my dedicated frontend at all.

[18:39:05]

kslater:

both sets of channels

[18:39:15]

fryfrog:

cyrexion: any lirc serial ir input will work, build one for like $5 or so if you like

[18:39:22]

Ryushin:

Not using XvMC is the way to go.

[18:39:32]

anykey_:

cyrexion: I have an addon that connects to the internal com port on my board & the motherboard's power-switch, so that I can turn on the pc using IR ;)

[18:39:35]

fryfrog:

kslater: i would find the labs lineup that had *all* the channels, and correct. Then totally switch to it :)

[18:39:52]

fryfrog:

anykey_: oh, nice. does it also act as the ir receiver?

[18:39:53]

a5benwillis:

I only have Intel Core 2 Duo 1.8Ghz processor....

[18:39:59]

fryfrog:

anykey_: and can you point it out?

[18:40:00]

anykey_:

fryfrog: jip

[18:40:00]

cyrexion:

anykey_, that's really nice..

[18:40:01]

Ryushin:

You'll get color osd, easy cutting of your shows. XvMC is not good, only use it as a last resort.

[18:40:09]

kslater:

problem is that 1 set is due west (50 miles) and one is due east (50 miles or so)

[18:40:14]

fryfrog:

Ryushin: okayh, good i'm glad then :)

[18:40:17]

anykey_:

fryfrog: "point it out"?

[18:40:26]

fryfrog:

anykey_: where did you get this device?

[18:40:28]

anykey_:

ah

[18:40:37]

Ryushin:

a5benwillis: Well, I got it to play on my single core 1.6 ghz sempron that I overclocked to 1.95 ghz, and I could play HD on that.

[18:40:48]

fryfrog:

kslater: ah, so you get *one* channel from say a listing for atlanta and the other from like birmingham?

[18:40:58]

kslater:

basically

[18:41:01]

fryfrog:

now-a-days mhz isn't what matters

[18:41:14]

a5benwillis:

Ryushin: Okay, I'll leavexvmc off for now.

[18:41:14]

fryfrog:

intel is finally moved away from "zomg 4ghz" crap

[18:41:19]

anykey_:

fryfrog: I got it from here http://www.atric.de/IR-Einschalter/index.php

[18:41:21]

kslater:

I get 4 or 5 from Youngstown OH and 2 from Johnstown and a few from Pittsburgh

[18:41:49]

fryfrog:

kslater: hummm, i guess maybe you could make 3 line ups, gather all the xmltv ids and then add the few extra manually

[18:42:01]

fryfrog:

kslater: what i would probably do is...

[18:42:15]

fryfrog:

kslater: add each one, one at a time, backing up the "channels" table (i think)

[18:42:30]

fryfrog:

then, finish up with the one that has the most channels

[18:42:33]

fryfrog:

leave that one intact

[18:42:43]

fryfrog:

then mesh on the other 2 tables

[18:43:00]

fryfrog:

i don't *think* you need a specific zip/listing to use the xmltvid from another lineup

[18:43:04]

fryfrog:

does that make any sense to you?

[18:43:44]

kslater:

yea, was thinking that zap2it would stomp on my added channels if they're not in the lineup though

[18:43:53]

fryfrog:

it may or may not

[18:43:57]

fryfrog:

it'll be easy to find out

[18:44:04]

kslater:

:-)

[18:44:12]

kslater:

nothing to lose

[18:44:12]

fryfrog:

start out just adding one "not really there" channel and see what happens

[18:44:24]

kslater:

sounds good

[18:44:33]

cyrexion:

ahh, if I only knew german... thank you google translator

[18:44:38]

kslater:

I'm jazzed b/c I'll be getting an ABC HD channel now

[18:44:45]

fryfrog:

rar :)

[18:44:54]

fryfrog:

i found out that comcast added like 4 new HD channels to their line up

[18:44:56]

anykey_:

cyrexion: I think they have an english documentation

[18:45:03]

fryfrog:

when i went over to see my sister's new 50" plasma tv

[18:45:20]

fryfrog:

they hadn't setup their cable box to output a 720p signal so the picture was *aweful*

[18:45:30]

anykey_:

cyrexion: http://www.atric.de/IR-Einschalter/download/manual_en_rev4.pdf

[18:45:32]

fryfrog:

and then, once i fixed it i was hunting for some HD shows and... damn, 4 new HD channels!

[18:45:56]

fryfrog:

anykey_: does that actually come *with* an ir reciever too?

[18:46:04]

anykey_:

fryfrog: it is an ir-receiver

[18:46:11]

fryfrog:

ahhhh

[18:46:22]

anykey_:

fryfrog: you can learn it a code that will shutdown the pc

[18:46:44]

anykey_:

fryfrog: this way you have an "internal" ir-receiver (everything inside the case)

[18:46:47]

cyrexion:

thanks anykey_ for the information

[18:47:12]

juski:

fryfrog: there are devices for an xbox mk1 you can adapt for use with a PC :)

[18:49:11]

kslater:

fryfrog: used google map to find a city that would get all three areas. All the channels on one listing source now. Thanks for the ideas.

[18:50:05]

cyrexion:

anykey_: you had to splice your mobo power connector cable to get the device to work?!?!?

[18:50:30]

cal__:

fry: just for a try-before-you-buy i guess..

[18:50:34]

fryfrog:

anykey_: neat :)

[18:50:48]

anykey_:

cyrexion: I don't think so. You just put that power connector cable on to that addon, and from the addon a cable goes to the motherboard

[18:51:00]

fryfrog:

kslater: ahhh, good idea!

[18:51:17]

cyrexion:

interesting

[18:51:36]

fryfrog:

wonder how much it is, and to ship to the US

[18:51:45]

anykey_:

fryfrog: ~20¤

[18:51:48]

fryfrog:

it'd have to be pretty affordable for me to want it

[18:51:52]

anykey_:

fryfrog: not that cheap

[18:51:53]

fryfrog:

ah, $40 USD ish?

[18:52:00]

anykey_:

yeah, about that

[18:52:09]

fryfrog:

i'll just hit the power when i wake up and use "exit and shutdown" at the end of the day :)

[18:52:15]

anykey_:

hehe

[18:52:51]

imperfect-:

Yo.

[18:53:14]

cyrexion:

is there an english order form on the site so I can purchase ?

[18:53:32]

imperfect-:

Anyone having a TV hooked up via VGA and an onboard intel chipset?

[18:53:55]

anykey_:

cyrexion: maybe you just want to contact the company via email

[18:54:03]

cal__:

any suggestions?

[18:54:05]

juski:

imperfect-: they can't do interlaced modes, if that's what you're wondering

[18:54:05]

cyrexion:

yeah, good idea

[18:54:11]

anykey_:

cyrexion: that would be info@atric.de

[18:54:35]

imperfect-:

juski: im trying to figure out how to adjust overscan

[18:54:49]

imperfect-:

juski: with an intel chipset... on this 41inch Plasma thing I have

[18:55:06]

juski:

imperfect-: you generally don't, unless you get a fancy modeline

[18:55:24]

juski:

<shock> TVs Overscan! </shock>

[18:55:33]

imperfect-:

juski: so I just have to deal with the edges being gone?

[18:55:43]

imperfect-:

well, it's not nearly as bad as with my CRT

[18:55:51]

imperfect-:

the LCD uses 1366x768 or whatever

[18:55:59]

juski:

if you reckon you've lost more than 5% it's maybe worth trying to claw some back

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imperfect-:

Yeah I've hardly lost any

[18:56:16]

juski:

xvidtune :)

[18:56:26]

juski:

just adjust the mythtv GUI then

[18:56:32]

imperfect-:

Yeah?

[18:56:34]

imperfect-:

Aight

[18:56:41]

imperfect-:

It's beautiful, I must say

[18:56:44]

juski:

though most if not all my themes take 5% overscan into account

[18:56:52]

juski:

all themes _should_

[18:57:02]

imperfect-:

Am I going to notice really crappy performance w/ the UI with a crappy video card?

[18:57:45]

juski:

imperfect-: mythtv hasn't got an all-singing all-dancing with millions of polygons-UI ... yet

[18:58:32]

imperfect-:

K

[18:59:02]

imperfect-:

I'm running a core2 E6320 (1.86ghz 4MB L2) and 2 gig of ram.. will I be able to do 720p okay?

[18:59:02]

opello:

aw, no high poly 2d graphics!?

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fryfrog:

720p is nothing

[19:01:51]

fryfrog:

i mean, think about it... 1280x720 ish?

[19:01:57]

imperfect-:

Well

[19:02:04]

fryfrog:

computer monitors and computers do 1280x1024 noproblem

[19:02:05]

imperfect-:

I've got 1080i as an option too

[19:02:17]

fryfrog:

and thats with... seesh, anything i've owned in the past 5 years :p

[19:02:33]

fryfrog:

what is the *native* of the display?

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imperfect-:

the 1366x768 I believe

[19:02:52]

fryfrog:

I think mine'll take 720p or 1080i, but native is 720p

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imperfect-:

nod

[19:03:02]

imperfect-:

sounds the same

[19:03:03]

fryfrog:

so it just converts 1080i to 720p

[19:03:44]

cyrexion:

thanks for the help guys... I'll be back later...

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imperfect-:

bbl

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cal__:

anyone running mythtv on a mac mini?

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isidoro:

hi

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isidoro:

zdzisekg: TX Hollywood Hybrid PCI it is DVB+TV+FM+capture

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juski:

isidoro: try this: sudo modprobe -v saa7134-dvb

[19:12:51]

isidoro:

subsystem: 1822:0022, board: UNKNOWN/GENERIC [card=0,autodetected]

[19:12:57]

stuarta:

progress

[19:13:05]

juski:

if that reports no errors, try dmesg & you should see some stuff right at the end

[19:13:33]

juski:

why oh why oh why OH WHY do people come here with tuner hardware problems? they have FA to do with mythtv software

[19:13:36]

GhostFreeman:

juski you just see Herman's mockup?

[19:13:48]

juski:

GhostFreeman: nah I'm neck deep in perl

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isidoro:

juski: that installed some modules it sounded good

[19:14:37]

juski:

GhostFreeman: whoahhhhhhhhh. that is _NICE_

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juski:

how'd ya make that work in css though? ;)

[19:15:00]

GhostFreeman:

yeah I just got boned by the fscking master

[19:15:06]

honree:

hi there!

[19:15:38]

juski:

honree: we's not all americanos ya know ;)

[19:15:48]

honree:

heh me neither ;)

[19:15:56]

honree:

i wonder does anyone know should subtitles work out of the box on mythtv with dvb-t?

[19:15:56]

isidoro:

dmesg | grep saa syas subsystem: 1822:0022, board: UNKNOWN/GENERIC [card=0,autodetected] it is normal?

[19:16:00]

GhostFreeman:

don't insult my country just my president :)

[19:16:14]

GhostFreeman:

actually...yeah insult my country

[19:16:16]

honree:

who's insulting already :)

[19:16:17]

isidoro:

GhostFreeman: :-)

[19:16:21]

a5benwillis:

Anoneknow if mythweather has been fixed?

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juski:

a5benwillis: if it has I missed the fanfare

[19:17:20]

stuarta:

a5benwillis: no that's in progress

[19:17:48]

juski:

a5benwillis: to follow progress of stuff you really should join the mailing lists

[19:17:49]

isidoro:

juski: no in /dev/ no bvb tree

[19:17:58]

a5benwillis:

just wondering, I'de love to look atthe code once I get the main system workingso my wife will leave me alone:-)

[19:17:59]

GhostFreeman:

I wonder if Herman can do anything with my mythlogo

[19:18:02]

isidoro:

I have fesity

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juski:

isidoro: then it's time for you to visit #linuxtv

[19:18:17]

a5benwillis:

juski: I did, but ust last week..

[19:18:27]

stuarta:

:)

[19:18:36]

juski:

ubunut festery fawngus ?

[19:19:13]

gardengnome:

GhostFreeman: where can i find herman's mockup? the thread on gossamer doesn't seem to be current

[19:19:19]

isidoro:

juski: ok I try

[19:19:28]

GhostFreeman:

http://www.ozuzo.net/~herman/mythtv.jpg

[19:19:52]

gardengnome:

nifty

[19:20:47]

GhostFreeman:

yeah I don't even know if I want to post the third revision to mine now

[19:21:33]

GreyFoxx:

That's kinda pretty

[19:21:45]

gardengnome:

GhostFreeman: just do it.

[19:22:11]

jams:

well i don't like it

[19:23:12]

GhostFreeman:

http://loliserv.org/~ghostfreeman/mythtvmock/img/sitemockup3.png now featuring only blues and greys and two column layout

[19:23:42]

juski:

I don't like the topleft & what's been done to the logo

[19:23:54]

jams:

the active "tab" on the left just looks like paint dripping

[19:23:56]

juski:

otherwise looks good to my eyes

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cal__:

is there a prebuilt system like dragon that is non hd?

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GhostFreeman:

I thought we liked the logo? also the swirl can be removed

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juski:

cal__: giving up already?!

[19:25:10]

juski:

GhostFreeman: I never said I liked it.

[19:25:19]

juski:

nobody's ever gonna like everything about everything

[19:25:20]

juski:

;)

[19:25:26]

GhostFreeman:

ok

[19:25:56]

GhostFreeman:

well you did say I had pretty much breathed new life into it...I must have mistaken that as something else

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cal__:

jusk: no, just looking at options. i havent even bought anything yet.

[19:27:23]

GhostFreeman:

actually I think that might have been directhex

[19:27:34]

cal__:

hard to decide what hardware to get, as many say.

[19:30:27]

jarle:

cal__: Do you have a link to dragon?

[19:30:33]

cal__:

i want 2 tuners.. i want a slimline case for the entertainment center. and i want it to run smoothly when i am watching one tuner using livetv pause while i am recording on another tuner.

[19:32:25]

honree:

mythtv is great!

[19:32:25]

a5benwillis:

Can anyone help me with this error while trying to install the mythplugins?? "Error processing project file: /usr/src/mythplugins/myththemes.pro

[19:32:25]

a5benwillis:

"

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cal__:

my tv doesnt do HD

[19:32:52]

stuarta:

a5benwillis: did you install myth first?

[19:32:57]

a5benwillis:

yes

[19:33:07]

cal__:

anyone know other websites with prebuild ready to by mythtv boxes?

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tzanger:

cal__: not to my knowledge

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: everythings there under /usr/local/bin

[19:34:20]

tzanger:

I'm going ot look in to the appletv hackers and see what's involved on getting an appletv hacked inot a myth frontend

[19:34:29]

tzanger:

sans hdd, sans everything but remote/playback

[19:36:35]

honree:

tzanger: ive just setup myth with a hauppaughe MVP as frontend

[19:36:45]

honree:

ethernet in, video out settop box

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: Should mythplugins.pro have more than 8 lines after running "./configure all"

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stuarta:

*shrug*, you should however have a makefile

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tzanger:

honree: that's precisely what I'm looking at

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tzanger:

now I gotta go look up hauppauge mvp

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honree:

unfortunately they dont make the cheap wired only one any more

[19:38:19]

tzanger:

yeah that's the idea

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stuarta:

a5benwillis: i've just checked, it only ever has 8 lines

[19:38:38]

honree:

the wireless and wired version costs about 150 euro

[19:38:47]

tzanger:

how is it as a frontend? Is it running mythfrontend or just looking at the video directories?

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stuarta:

it doesn't get created, it's used to create the makefile.

[19:38:47]

a5benwillis:

ok

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honree:

the wired only version was more like 60 euro

[19:38:53]

GhostFreeman:

we got a favicon of sorts

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honree:

it's got a mythfrontend

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honree:

it's not a full front end but it's pretty good for playback

[19:39:23]

tzanger:

hmm

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: Well after installing myhtthemes, mythplugins now work.... *shrug*

[19:42:03]

stuarta:

???? odd

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a5benwillis:

very odd..

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tzanger:

hmm mvpmc may do the trick for my mom

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honree:

it's not as featureful as the full frontend

[19:45:03]

honree:

but i think it will do for me for playback of films and such

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tzanger:

honree: that's fine, so long as I can schedule/view and watch live tv I'm happy

[19:45:18]

tzanger:

editing, etc. I don't care for here

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honree:

r

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honree:

same here

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honree:

i can drag the mpegs off to another pc if im bothered with all that

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tzanger:

exactly

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honree:

when im watching a tv im either in bed or in the livingroom drinking tea or such :)

[19:46:34]

tzanger:

precisely

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honree:

the one thing id like to get working is subtitles

[19:49:17]

honree:

it has a menu option for it and i had them working on the mvp with a vob from a dvd

[19:49:24]

honree:

but not on mythtv

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honree:

on the other hand subtitles worked on the full mythtv front end

[19:49:57]

honree:

so im just hoping it's not a fundamental problem

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juski:

only time I ever use subtitles is when rude people insist on coming round

[19:52:00]

honree:

hehe

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a5benwillis:

Does anyone know if Mythweb will work if I build deps for mythweb under Edgy?

[19:52:16]

honree:

useful for deaf people as is the case here

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juski:

a5benwillis: mythweb doesn't need much. apache & php with mysql

[19:53:15]

a5benwillis:

so I should compile and install from source?

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juski:

a5benwillis: read the instructions in the mythweb dir

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juski:

why has today felt like having teeth pulled?

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GhostFreeman:

you've been barraged by tech support questions?

[19:54:49]

juski:

more mundane ones than usual is all

[19:55:03]

juski:

how to download themes.. I ask ya

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a5benwillis:

juski: Sorry to ask what appears to be such a siully question, but, I have attempted to get mythweb working with two installs now and havent had any luck.

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juski:

a5benwillis: follow the instructions in the mythweb directory

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juski:

you know.. the dir you checked out mythplugins into.. in the mythweb dir within that

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gardengnome:

how do i read?

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juski:

gardengnome: after looking at this perl script I'm starting to think that

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juski:

been looking for a good HTML::Parser tutorial so I don't need to use all this nasty stuff

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juski:

cos it'll break when a page changes & then I'll have to rewrite it

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Dagmar:

WWW::Mechanize > HTML::Parser

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GhostFreeman:

yeah, Mechanize is a bit easier to work with

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juski:

bloody hell Dagmar ! I can actually understand how that works just by looking at the 1st page I found about it

[20:00:46]

gardengnome:

it's not complicated enough then :(

[20:01:02]

GhostFreeman:

its not perl enough for you :(

[20:01:07]

juski:

HTML::Parser looks, and most likely _is, evil

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ubuntuEdgy:

can mythtv alert me when some thing i want to watch is about to start................

[20:01:53]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: why?

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juski:

just have it record the show

[20:02:38]

juski:

stop thinking in terms of living within the TV schedules :)

[20:02:39]

ubuntuEdgy:

then watch it wile it records ?

[20:03:09]

juski:

ZOMG! got to go! $show is about to come on!

[20:03:25]

ubuntuEdgy:

WTF?

[20:03:36]

juski:

that's what life is like before MythTV

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tzanger:

juski: it's amazingly liberating

[20:03:42]

tzanger:

it's totally changd how I look at the tv

[20:04:06]

juski:

there are no timeslots, there are no channels. there are only shows you watch

[20:04:29]

juski:

break free :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

Its hard for me , i have got used to it

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski mybackend dose not do its job any more

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ubuntuEdgy:

its queued all the time :s

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juski:

sit down with the program guide for a couple of hours one day & pick off all the shows you watch to be recorded. you'll get used to it

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tzanger:

I don't even recommend that

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juski:

Enotenoughtuners!

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tzanger:

screw the program guide

[20:05:45]

tzanger:

go to the show listing

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tzanger:

where it's every show in the guide in alphabetical order

[20:05:55]

tzanger:

and pick 'em off that way

[20:05:59]

ubuntuEdgy:

yeh i like show listings

[20:06:02]

juski:

oh yeah the program finder. my fave

[20:06:04]

tzanger:

too much scrolling through the same shit with the guide

[20:06:14]

juski:

get the idea though

[20:06:17]

ubuntuEdgy:

guid is all messed up

[20:06:17]

tzanger:

I find the guide useful ot see what else is on a particular channel

[20:06:35]

ubuntuEdgy:

me too. tzger

[20:06:42]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: and whose fault is that? ;)

[20:06:50]

Tanthrix:

The guide would be cool if coupled with a wiimote and the ability to move in 2 directions at once as you move the pointer.

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ubuntuEdgy:

a bit over kill

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Tanthrix:

(IE, so it would slide, quickly in whatever direction you wanted)

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juski:

quickly? uh-oh

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Tanthrix:

There in lies the problem I suspect, hehe

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ubuntuEdgy:

this is really frustrating me , i fel like im still using mediaportal

[20:08:41]

juski:

ah now I get it. #mythtv is the developers channel and #mythtv-users is the armchair developers channe;

[20:08:53]

GhostFreeman:

I don't even know anymore

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GhostFreeman:

why am I even in #mythtv

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one talk there ?

[20:09:20]

juski:

GhostFreeman: losing heart already? :(

[20:09:44]

Tanthrix:

I thought I checked #mythtv a while back and didn't see anyone around

[20:09:46]

GhostFreeman:

what? no

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: course.. about development related stuff.. not users asking for stuff I might add

[20:09:53]

GhostFreeman:

...ok a little

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Tanthrix:

Must have did a typo when I joined

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juski:

oh I almost forgot. updated neon-wide today with a bugfix

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ubuntuEdgy:

great...is it at your website ?

[20:11:27]

netrix:

anyone else using xine as a dvd play with myth having audio video sync issues?

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juski:

no, I piped it into /dev/null so nobody can report any more bugs

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ubuntuEdgy:

remember the skin i was working on ?

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Tanthrix:

netrix: I use xine as my dvd player and I've never had a problem with a/v sync issues

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: only mythweb has skins

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ubuntuEdgy:

sorry theme8

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netrix:

Tanthrix: damn .. i didn't either until recently. but when watching a dvd the audio seems out of sync with the video.

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juski:

anybody calls my themes skins they get holy war

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tzanger:

hahaha

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tzanger:

JIHAD AGAINST THE SKIN DISBELIEVERS

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ubuntuEdgy:

it stopped working for an unknown reason....... my heart sank

[20:13:35]

juski:

like hello, I didn't just plop some Britney pics on the background & call it new ;)

[20:13:39]

netrix:

Tanthrix: are you doing spdif passthrough by any chance?

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Dagmar:

God put a stop to it

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ubuntuEdgy:

hay dagmr

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juski:

gardengnome: looks like teh forum is offline.. either than or VirginMedia's DNS is fucked again

[20:14:51]

ubuntuEdgy:

what forum..

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** stuarta votes for option 2 **

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ubuntuEdgy:

:S

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GhostFreeman:

i'm just going to nod my head in agreement to option 2 despite not knowing anything

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Dagmar:

I hear enough from admin types I'm going with option 2 as well;

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Tanthrix:

netrix: Sorry, that I'm not.

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** stuarta is an admin type **

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netrix:

Tantrix: mind sharing your command line?

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Tanthrix:

netrix: You can correct it though, as long as it's consistent

[20:17:27]

netrix:

Tanthrix: it certainly seems like it. stuff though mplayer is always fine, so i know it must be a config option in xine.

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gpd:

Is it possible to skip commercials on UK freeview TV?

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** stuarta takes off his admin hat, and puts on the dev hat. **

[20:17:42]

netrix:

Tantrix: tried the options listed in the faq about the subject to no avail.

[20:17:54]

Tanthrix:

netrix: I have a funky command line that mounts ISOs in a directory, then symlinks the Video_TS stuff to a temp directory (to avoid a xine bug that stops it from playing some ISOs,) then just xine dvd://directory/video_ts I think

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juski:

gpd: automatically? not really

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stuarta:

gpd: the commerial detection is pretty hit and miss

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juski:

4 then right arrow works great though

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** Beirdo takes off his lazy hat... and puts on his lazy hat... screw it **

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** stuarta pats Beirdo's puppy **

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gpd:

ok – no problem – just experiencing that and wondered if I had missed something

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Beirdo:

hehe

[20:18:43]

Beirdo:

she's off digging in the yard, I think.

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stuarta:

how is puppy today?

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ubuntuEdgy:

why have i got a lazy backend :(

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Beirdo:

she's been pretty good.

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Beirdo:

weighs just over 20kg now

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stuarta:

ubuntuEdgy: not enough exercise?

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Tanthrix:

netrix: If you just push N or M on your keyboard you can adjust the sync in either direction

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Beirdo:

ain't small anymore

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ubuntuEdgy:

things have been queued for days now

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juski:

gpd: no, the UK broadcasters are buggers & don't follow predictable patterns

[20:19:21]

stuarta:

not so much puppy as young dog...

[20:19:33]

juski:

my backend is like me. short, fattish, not that good looking & full of crap

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ubuntuEdgy:

stuarta very funny

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Beirdo:

yeah, she's 8 months old I think it is

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gpd:

juski: didn't they used to have that little stripey box in the top right corner 'back in the day' ;)

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juski:

gpd: that was for network signalling on live shows mostly IIRC

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** juski sighs. another SoC project we've not heard anything about since way back **

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh that will realy help trust me ,

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ubuntuEdgy:

i gues no onecan help me withmy back-ends

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jduggan_:

ubuntuEdgy: email dale_winton@bbc.co.uk

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ubuntuEdgy:

f oof

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juski:

I hear he loves packing backends

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netrix:

Tanthrix: tried that, doesn't seem to make a difference.

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netrix:

Tanthrix; wondering if its maybe not using xv ... and using some other method.

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juski:

do not adjust your orange.. iiiit's Daaaale Winton!

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ubuntuEdgy:

jduggan, you can only dream of a back end like mines. ;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

i need to have desperate housewives commercially tagged

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juski:

no need. you can tell they're desperate by the kind of clothes they wear :-P

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski what could be wrong

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ubuntuEdgy:

i mean with my backend that is

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kslater:

I can't wait for this answer!

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Beirdo:

constipation?

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** Beirdo hands ubuntuEdgy a box of All Bran... make William Shatner proud... muhahaha **

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juski:

anyway...

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juski:

g'night

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ubuntuEdgy:

ohhh man

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ubuntuEdgy:

this calls for a reinstall.......bye

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Beirdo:

damn, I did like NOTHING today

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Beirdo:

I think I need another nap

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** stuarta suggests training the puppy to do the gardening **

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Dagmar:

I've already been asleep most of the day, but then I did three 12-hour shifts in teh last three days

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robbins876:

I'm at svn.mythtv.org, how do i go about finding the updated imdb.pl to fix some issues in mythvideo?

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Dagmar:

I will consider today a win if I manage to get a haircut

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Beirdo:

hehe, she's half-way there. Just gotta train her NOT to eat the plants

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Beirdo:

she's already digging holes everywhere :)

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Dagmar:

eek echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

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Dagmar:

wrong-chan

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stuarta:

ah, gardening is so much fun with a dog.

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robbins876:

nevermind, i foudn it

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stuarta:

select weed, dog sits on weed.

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stuarta:

move dog, attack weed.

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stuarta:

repeat

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

remove tomato plant from dog's mouth, yell at dog

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stuarta:

we just used fencing around proper plants

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Beirdo:

good plan :)

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kormoc:

Mornin' Mr. Beirdo

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

morning :)

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Beirdo:

looks like it's "fetch" time

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directhex:

GhostFreeman, it was me, and i like it

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

ahh, to have a dog

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Beirdo:

crazy mutt

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honree:

bye folks

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robbins876:

alright, i put the new imdb.pl in the correct place, but when i run the imdb search in mythvideo it says the it's not executable... how do i make it executable?

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kormoc:

robbins876, chmod a+x /path/to/imdb.pl

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robbins876:

thanks

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grndslm:

ahem...what kinda recording settings do you guys use for analog signal?? 480x480 & 2500/3500 bitrate??

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grndslm:

trying to find out what bitrates you found work best or do most just keep the default settings?

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Dagmar:

We generally leave the default settings alone becuase they're fine

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Markieman234:

Hey guys,I've run into a bit of a roadblock with tuning my Hauppauge WinTV Nova T USB2 external card with kubuntu Feisty 7.04.

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Markieman234:

Can anyone help, would be greatly appreciated :)

[20:49:39]

Markieman234:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18465/

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Markieman234:

timeout errors

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Markieman234:

I get the same in MythTV when doing a channel scan

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grndslm:

Dagmar: just seems like the default settings are a bit high...

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Dagmar:

Video takes a lot of data

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grndslm:

what are they again 4500/6000 or was it 3000/4500?

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Dagmar:

I think those were High and Medium respectively

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Dagmar:

Usually I jack up the high quality one to 720x480

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grndslm:

Dagmar: does analog feed use the 720x480 often?

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Dagmar:

It uses seven bajillion x 480

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grndslm:

and would you need to adjust the bitrates when changing the resoltion to 720?

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Dagmar:

It's an analog signal

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Dagmar:

More resolution on the capture is better if you're going to transcode to a smaller format later

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Dagmar:

You can always discard extra data when transcoding, but you can not get any _back_

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grndslm:

interesting

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grndslm:

Dagmar: so, you use 720x480 with what bitrates?

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grndslm:

medium?

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Dagmar:

For LiveTV you might want to use 640x480 because that matches a multiple of your screen res

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Dagmar:

If you were to use 480x480 for LiveTV you'd be making the scaler work to refit the image to the screen all the time

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Dagmar:

...and getting some minor vertical combing most of the time

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Dagmar:

You can keep asking about bitrates all you like, I'm not going to answer

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Dagmar:

I dont' know offhand what they were and I'm not going to look them up

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grndslm:

aight, that's cool...coulda just said you were busy now :-p

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grndslm:

thanks for the livetv tip...shouldn't that res be default?

[20:55:08]

Dagmar:

Not busy.

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Dagmar:

Not going to look up something you can look up just as easily

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GhostFreeman:

noted directhex

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Dagmar:

StratWork: Are you going to allow that box to talk to other machines?

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grndslm:

ah yes, i didn't realize that there were other profiles than default that all have the same exact settings

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Daviey:

Markieman234, can you remove the device – then plug it back in, then "dmesg | tail" into pastebin?

[20:58:50]

Markieman234:

Sure thing :)

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Markieman234:

http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18477/

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Markieman234:

As it should, I belive

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Daviey:

Markieman234, Is it a usb2.0 compatible port?

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Markieman234:

yeap, all my ports are USB 2

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Markieman234:

i can try on a different one if you want

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Markieman234:

Would this have anything to do with it?

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Markieman234:

**WARNING** I2C adapter driver [DiBX000 tuner I2C bus] forgot to specify physical device; fix it!

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** Daviey is googling that error as we speak **

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Markieman234:

tried a different USB port, same story

[21:05:17]

stuarta:

sounds very much like a driver error

[21:05:27]

stuarta:

suggest having a chat in #linuxtv

[21:05:44]

Markieman234:

okay, thanks a lot for your time :)

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Markieman234:

Did you get anything on Google, Daviey?

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Markieman234:

I couldn't see anything of much relevance

[21:09:24]

Daviey:

not really

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Daviey:

lots of people saying they have the same problem – no solutions

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jimbalaya:

Is there a way to have MythVideo fill in the plot? ... kind of like how it will pull cover info from imdb..

[21:18:01]

stuarta:

um, it does that already

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jimbalaya:

hrm, not with any of my movies

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jimbalaya:

pulls the imdb rating, the cover, and names the movie properly

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** stuarta wonders if that's an enhancement in head... **

[21:18:28]

jimbalaya:

oh, and the year

[21:18:52]

jimbalaya:

but no director, no plot, no category, and no rating (G,PG,etc, I'm assuming)

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Daviey:

imdb changed their schema – you need an updated schema

[21:19:12]

Daviey:

script rather

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stuarta:

ah, something needs backporting

[21:19:30]

** jimbalaya raises hand **

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Daviey:

what distro?

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jimbalaya:

debian, etch

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jimbalaya:

pulling from deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main

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jimbalaya:

mythweather also got weird on me ... i get doppler, but every place where there should be data is blank

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zooy0rk:

I have been trying to find hardware requirements for a frontend box but I am having a hard time finding any specifics ... can anyone point me in the right direction?

[21:22:31]

directhex:

zooy0rk, depends on a hundred things

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stuarta:

the servers that mythweather uses have changed their data, broke mythweather

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Daviey:

jimbalaya, try http://fauxzen.com/2007/04/03/mythtv-020-02ub . . . ch-problems/

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jimbalaya:

zooy0rk : front end alone, isn't much, I'm running front/back w/ web/ftp/vnc servers on an athlon 1800+ w/ 768m of ram ......... i'm pushing it, but, it runs

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zooy0rk:

then I suppose a 1.2GHz with 1GB of ram should suffice for a frontend

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stuarta:

nope, it's not a backport required.

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nzk:

Is it possible to use mythtv with satellite?

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stuarta:

yes

[21:25:52]

nzk:

So I would need my satellite tuner and the mytv box?

[21:26:02]

stuarta:

that's one option yes

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jimbalaya:

thanks, Daviey, I'll try running that when I get home

[21:27:10]

Markieman234:

kio (Filter): WARNING: KFilterDev::open: Couldn't open underlying device

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Markieman234:

is an error I get when running kaffeine in a console

[21:27:33]

Markieman234:

could this be related to the timeouts upon scanning?

[21:28:00]

stuarta:

definitely. issues opening the device make it kinda hard to scan

[21:29:28]

directhex:

stuarta, debug symbols in place (i hope), re-tracing saa7146 recording

[21:29:36]

stuarta:

thanks

[21:30:55]

stuarta:

i'm 99% sure we've fixed the issue already in head.

[21:34:07]

nzk:

stuarta, whats the other option?

[21:34:17]

directhex:

well it'll take a few minutes to get a segfault. and it doesn't help that only fools & horses ends in a minute

[21:35:27]

stuarta:

nzk: your two options are 1. set top box + capture card, 2. dvb-s card + (CAM + legal card if required)

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nzk:

Can I get an external capture card

[21:35:52]

nzk:

and video out card

[21:35:57]

nzk:

to hook up to my laptop?

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stuarta:

capture card is pvr150

[21:36:27]

stuarta:

dunno what you mean by video out card..

[21:37:45]

stuarta:

normal video cards are used for output

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nzk:

So that I can connect a tv

[21:37:53]

nzk:

And watch what has been recorded

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directhex:

that's something a graphics card does

[21:38:16]

stuarta:

normal video cards, sometime with tv out

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directhex:

if your graphics card has no tv-out, then your options are limited and mostly involve the vga port and dodgy adapters

[21:40:31]

nzk:

I know, but I have only s-video

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AndyCap:

directhex: they're not dodgy. :)

[21:43:16]

stuarta:

creative :)

[21:44:09]

AndyCap:

my vga to scart cable is working like a charm. :P

[21:45:49]

nzk:

directhex, how good does mythtv work with HD?

[21:46:02]

stuarta:

depends on your hardware

[21:46:08]

kormoc:

nzk, if you have satalite, you won't get HD (in the us)

[21:46:22]

nzk:

What makes you say that?

[21:46:53]

kormoc:

nzk, there are no HD capture cards that will capture component or HDMI/DVI out that have linux support

[21:47:06]

nzk:

What does that have to do with satellite?

[21:47:22]

kormoc:

nzk, how are you going to get the signal from the box to the drive?

[21:47:52]

nzk:

eSata

[21:48:05]

stuarta:

that's a new one

[21:48:12]

AndyCap:

skip the box and use a CAM. but being the us I guess they haven't got CAM's and smartcards

[21:48:18]

kormoc:

correct

[21:48:32]

nzk:

Why a CAM

[21:48:36]

nzk:

Whats that

[21:48:47]

stuarta:

Conditional Access Module

[21:48:50]

kormoc:

nzk, your satalite receiver, how will you get a HD signal from that to your computer?

[21:48:54]

stuarta:

+ viewing card

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AndyCap:

nzk: a standard module for decrypting DVB transmissions with a smartcard

[21:49:34]

nzk:

kormoc, eSata, like I said

[21:50:07]

kormoc:

nzk, that's a hard drive interface, not a video capture interface...

[21:50:12]

stuarta:

i have heard of nobody using that method...

[21:50:23]

nzk:

kormoc, I know

[21:50:55]

kormoc:

nzk, so how are you going to hook up dives to the receiver? composite? component? svideo?

[21:51:18]

nzk:

Nevermind....

[21:51:19]

kormoc:

cause no satalite receiver I know of has a esata port...

[21:51:24]

grndslm:

stuarta: if you want to watch tv on your laptop...i'd build a super cheap backend computer with a pvr150 or pvr500...then wirelessly get your video feed with a 802.11g router

[21:51:26]

imperfect-:

Anyone here used the ubuntu fiesty fawn packages for myth?

[21:51:29]

imperfect-:

It seems to work great ;)

[21:51:33]

imperfect-:

However, lirc is being lame ;)

[21:51:43]

grndslm:

lirc is lame regardless of the distro you choose

[21:51:48]

stuarta:

grndslm: why would i want to do that?

[21:52:01]

imperfect-:

grndslm : well I'm just trying to build drivers for my remote so I can use it ;)

[21:52:02]

grndslm:

your laptop will always need to be restarted...

[21:52:12]

kormoc:

nzk, the thing is you are missing a step, the satalite receiver outputs in a select few output styles, you need to use a different device to capture that stream and actually make files that you can store on your harddrives

[21:52:23]

stuarta:

grndslm: i suspect you are talking rubbish

[21:52:39]

nzk:

kormoc, Yeah I know

[21:52:46]

kormoc:

nzk, that catpure interface is limited to svideo, composite and the like (currently), and they are all standard def

[21:53:01]

kormoc:

nzk, so there is (currently) no way, in the US to capture HD from satalite

[21:53:09]

nzk:

Why the US?

[21:53:28]

kormoc:

the US has laws that prevent CAM and the like technology from being legal/commonplace

[21:53:34]

grndslm:

stuarta: it's awesome to have a dedicated server that's not running X; a dedicated machine will always be cheaper to upgrade...2.5" hard drives are more expensive and capacities are still pretty shitty, IMO...

[21:53:48]

AndyCap:

kormoc: uhh. that sounds doubious.

[21:53:55]

grndslm:

stuarta: myth needs close to 2gb/hr

[21:54:14]

AndyCap:

kormoc: considering that cablecard support is mandatory

[21:54:19]

kormoc:

AndyCap, that's my understanding as the smartcard interface is protected by DMCA

[21:54:27]

kormoc:

AndyCap, not for satalite companys, only cable companys

[21:54:39]

AndyCap:

kormoc: but that's only a problem for 3rd party unofficial cams

[21:54:49]

directhex:

AndyCap, dodgier than using vga->vga

[21:54:53]

AndyCap:

that there are no official cams are more of a market problem

[21:54:58]

grndslm:

stuarta: i'm just telling you that dedicated servers are the way to go....i believe that myth is a perfect example, especially when it's separated into frontend & backend architecture off the bat

[21:54:59]

kormoc:

AndyCap, DISH and Direct both do not sell CAMS

[21:55:00]

nzk:

Is there a guide on making an Xbox a MythTV frontend?

[21:55:02]

AndyCap:

directhex: not really. :)

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AndyCap:

kormoc: yes, but they could if they felt like it. Problem is that the customers don't know to demand it

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kormoc:

AndyCap, not really a market problem... the market wants them, but the 3ed party people can't make them, that's the legal issue

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grndslm:

imperfect-: honestly, i can't help you 'cause i just got an IR keyboard with the plan to buy universal remote later

[21:56:15]

kormoc:

AndyCap, don't think that's true. They know the market wants firewire, but they won't give it out if they don't have to. The money they make from their own DVR's is too much to just potentionally give away

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AndyCap:

kormoc: only a minority know that they want firewire. :) the other 95% think that leasing a dvr is the only possible solution

[21:57:25]

kormoc:

in anycase, doesn't change the fact that you can't get them :P

[21:59:28]

hadees:

What would be the best AGP video card to use for HDTV decoding, I know it is going to be Nvidia

[21:59:30]

kormoc:

AndyCap, we're not talking about the cable co's, satalite co's are strikingly different beasts... there's only 2 and they work together to keep their tech offerings in sync

[22:00:14]

hadees:

I saw on the wiki 6200TC was popular but unfortunately i don't have a pci-e slot

[22:00:23]

AndyCap:

kormoc: well, that was a mental slip. it's not really different for the satellite companies. except that they have duopoly. people still buy the inferior product

[22:00:25]

kormoc:

5200 works well enough

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AndyCap:

kormoc: anyhoo. :) I live somewhere with a marginally more functional satellite market. and more borken cable market

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Krazylegz:

!trout kormoc

[22:03:07]

** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of Krazylegz... **

[22:03:23]

Krazylegz:

Been looking for you.

[22:03:46]

kormoc:

I've been in Bellingham all from friday till tis mornin

[22:03:49]

kormoc:

what's up?

[22:04:03]

Krazylegz:

I pulled the trigger on a Harmony 880.

[22:04:09]

kormoc:

yeah?

[22:04:13]

Krazylegz:

But I'm not sure how I want to work the receiver bit.

[22:04:57]

Krazylegz:

I asked seth|away if he might have one I could try, but otherwise what should I use with the Harmony, and should I not have gotten the Harmony?

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** nasa wished someone knew something about his issue **

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kormoc:

Krazylegz, hrm. my understanding is that the serial receiver will work fine (less then $15)

[22:07:10]

kormoc:

and the harmony is one remote lots of people like

[22:07:23]

Krazylegz:

I figured a serial DIY rig would work.

[22:07:31]

Krazylegz:

Just wasn't sure if it was going to be required.

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kormoc:

it *shouldn't* be

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Krazylegz:

Good last words.

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Krazylegz:

Well I guess I can find out the hard way. What are you using now?

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directhex:

gah, why won't my backend crash? :(

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kormoc:

Krazylegz, the MCE remote and keyboard package

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stuarta:

directhex: it hates you

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Krazylegz:

Ah, you told me to get that before.

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directhex:

evidently!

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kormoc:

Krazylegz, aye, I really like it

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** Krazylegz flies in the face of kormoc's wisdom **

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afterwego:

The chipmunks are on every channel and the video stutters can anybody offer some assistance?

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directhex:

hire some pest control to shoot the chipmunks

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afterwego:

Well I could do that myself lol

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** stuarta rofl... **

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afterwego:

Trying to watch Major League and its like Charlie Sheen got kicked in a bad place

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afterwego:

Ive done the whole changing the recording profiles thing and what not

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directhex:

do you have stuttering and pitch issues when using the card in something like tvtime?

[22:23:34]

afterwego:

Its in everything even if I go to a terminal and type 'mplayer /dev/video0'

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directhex:

so that's a linux problem, not a mythtv problem. #linuxtv can probably help more

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afterwego:

It worked fine in Ubuntu and now im in Mythdora...I should just go back to Ubuntu

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afterwego:

oh well

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Jenetik:

Anyone here using a Nexus-s with myth?

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cyrexion:

I take that as a no :)

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cyrexion:

all I know is that it uses that unstable IVTV driver

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Jenetik:

I'm trying to compile it from source and have patched the driver and myth, and that messed it up worse

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cyrexion:

ouch..

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stonith:

Jenetik: that doesn't sound too good, I would be very careful patching MythTV, its fragile in my opinion. I haven't upgraded my packages in a while, until I can take a snapshot of the server

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cyrexion:

what's happening with it now?

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GreyFoxx:

cyrexion: No it doesn't

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GreyFoxx:

the NExus is a DVB card, not a PVR card that uses the ivtv driver

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Jenetik:

well, before when I had a stock ubuntu install of everything, I was getting 80/80% locks on transponders, but always got "no tables" as an error and never got any channel listings. After applying patches, I now get 80/0% (zero signal/noise) and it locks, produces a "no tables" error and then populates an empty list of channels

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Jenetik:

so I reverted back to the stock ubuntu dvb driver for the nexus, get the same error, now I'm recompiling myth with no patches

[22:42:58]

Jenetik:

the patch is like 10 lines

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Jenetik:

always says it's successful

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Jenetik:

always compiles fine

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Jenetik:

weird, I compiled mythtv with no patches, same problem

[22:46:54]

Jenetik:

Why would I get 81% Signal Strength (Locked) and 0% Signal/Noise

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GreyFoxx:

Jenetik: Not all drivers/cards return a SNR value

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Jenetik:

this one did before

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GreyFoxx:

some just return 0

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GreyFoxx:

could well be different driver/kernel versions

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Jenetik:

used to get 80/80 with the stock ubuntu install

[22:48:59]

Jenetik:

but I've reverted back to the original driver

[22:49:03]

Jenetik:

and haven't changed the kernel

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GreyFoxx:

you've rebooted (powered off and restarted) since going back I assume ?

[22:49:29]

cyrexion:

has anyone tried the pcHDTV HD-5500 ? If so, is it good?

[22:49:35]

Jenetik:

not really

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Jenetik:

why would I

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XGizzmo:

Jenetik: i get the same thing here with any thing above the .20 version

[22:49:49]

Jenetik:

modules don't require reboots

[22:50:03]

Jenetik:

XGizzmo: do you get "no tables" found?

[22:50:07]

XGizzmo:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Jenetik: The drivers load firmware onto the card if it's needed. some values could well be set on the card and persist between non poweroff reboots

[22:50:13]

Jenetik:

and youy get no channel list

[22:50:14]

Jenetik:

right?

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XGizzmo:

correct

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Jenetik:

you using a nexus?

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XGizzmo:

nova

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Jenetik:

yeah

[22:50:37]

Jenetik:

same shit

[22:50:40]

Jenetik:

man

[22:50:48]

Jenetik:

how in the HELL do you fix this?

[22:50:53]

Jenetik:

I've tried everything

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Jenetik:

I'm trying to pickup NASA and cannot, should be simple

[22:51:47]

Jenetik:

maybe I'll reboot

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Jenetik:

I dont see how thats going to change anything

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GreyFoxx:

Well, you are also scanning Dishnet sat's, and they are not fulling DVB spec compliant, including how they map channels requiring some special patches since myth assumes standard dvb

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** nasa wonders how Jenetik is going to pick him up.... **

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Jenetik:

heh

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stonith:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Jenetik:

well, thats why I was using those nexus patches

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directhex:

nasa, with a few beers, traditionally

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Jenetik:

but it doesn't work

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GreyFoxx:

Jenetik: I'm referring to dishnet specific myth patches

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Jenetik:

know wherre I can find them?

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GreyFoxx:

I've seen then around, but haven't kept track of them

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Jenetik:

isn't there a mythtv how-to for getting dishnet?

[22:56:34]

Jenetik:

seems like that'd be pretty common

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GreyFoxx:

well, since to receive all but 1 or 2 dishnet channels requires the use of a softcam which we expressly do not support here or on the lists there is no official howto

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GreyFoxx:

but I've seen documentation on it. you just need to google for it

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hadees:

does the firewire card you use when recording over firewire make a difference?

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Tanthrix:

hadees: From what I understand that's a matter of debate.

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hadees:

Tanthrix, yeah the wiki is cryptic

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Tanthrix:

hadees: My personal hunch is that as long as the card is supported decently under linux any problems you have are due to mythtv bugs

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Tanthrix:

(Since firewire support is still fairly young, and the manufacturers / cable companies don't exactly publish open standards on this stuff)

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Como|Lappy:

oh, how would i configure that?

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kormoc:

run crontab as the user you want to run X and add "@reboot startx"

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Como|Lappy:

i guess i dont get it, every cron entry i've made was rigged to run at ceartain times

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stonith:

Como|Lappy: you should change /etc/inittab to runlevel 5, use autologin for KDE/Gnome for the mythtv user. If its KDE, there is an autostartup file that you can tell to launch myth-frontend.

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