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Saturday, April 28th, 2007, 00:03 UTC

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BSD_Tech:

ok mytdora 4.0 is nice

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BSD_Tech:

its coming along

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Como|Lappy:

so

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Como|Lappy:

three plugins any mythtv shouldnt be without

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wraz79:

can anybody here help with HD channels that skip? were working good lastnight but today they skip.

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Como|Lappy:

is it the incoming cable or the box thats causing the skipping

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mchou:

wraz79: describe 'skip'

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wraz79:

nope its a satelite dish. and was working ok but i did add a diesqc switch to it.

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mchou:

sigh

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wraz79:

the video skips and the audio skips and jumps

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Como|Lappy:

ick, i know nothing about disk

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Como|Lappy:

sounds like poor reception though

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chuk:

are you using xvmc?

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chuk:

what kind of cpu/video card?

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wraz79:

cant got a ati raedon card :-/

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Como|Lappy:

har hard are mythtv plugins to install anyway

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Como|Lappy:

how*

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wraz79:

amd xp 2800+

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chuk:

that should do hd ok

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chuk:

anything in the log window?

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wraz79:

with 1 gig of dual channel memory

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chuk:

prebuffer pause?

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wraz79:

yep get a couple of those

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wraz79:

action: read logger 0/1: Buffer overflow

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wraz79:

and a few of those

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wraz79:

oh yeah getting alot of prebuffer pauses now

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wraz79:

its steady prebuffer pause

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chuk:

what does it say when you first tune the channel?

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chuk:

before the pre-buffers start

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chuk:

should say MPEG something blah blah blah

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wraz79:

hold on got to change channel lost the top info

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wraz79:

Opened codec 0x8f93ec0, id(MPEG2VIDEO) type(Video)

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wraz79:

that ?

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Como|Lappy:

mythburn isnt an official plugin?

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Anduin:

Como|Lappy: MythArchive is

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Como|Lappy:

oooh.

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Como|Lappy:

does it work well?

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Anduin:

Como|Lappy: I have no idea.

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Como|Lappy:

hm. Do you use any plugins?

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Anduin:

Not for burning

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Como|Lappy:

well, i meant in general

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Como|Lappy:

im planning on installing a few here

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Como|Lappy:

wondering how hard it is

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goreguts:

guys i have a sound problem, can anyone help me out real quick?

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goreguts:

my sound "works" but its distorted

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hiredgoon:

Como|Lappy: what's your distribution?

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Anduin:

It isn't, though if you are seeing MythBurn what you do to install them... well I don't know.

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hiredgoon:

of linux?

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goreguts:

i checked the alsa mixer and the levels arent too high

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Como|Lappy:

hiredgoon- slackware 11

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wraz79:

chuk saw something about removing the nfs mount on the frontend but i dont know anything about doing that

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hiredgoon:

on debian/ubuntu/fedora there's a meta-package to install all plugins and it is really easy

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hiredgoon:

you can also do them individually and it is just as easy

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hiredgoon:

i install mythvideo mythmusic and mythweather for fun

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hiredgoon:

on my frontend box

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hiredgoon:

on the backend i install mythweb and mytharchive

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Como|Lappy:

those three are all on my list ;)

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Como|Lappy:

ha, as are those two

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hiredgoon:

i've heard getting mythgame working is quite the undertaking

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, not interested in that, though

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hiredgoon:

i tried mythnews and the browser but hated them

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hiredgoon:

i always have a laptop handy for the web ;)

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Como|Lappy:

i want the weather, and the dvd player, as well as dvd burning

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Como|Lappy:

my laptop never leaves my side ;)

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hiredgoon:

i haven't tried that one too much

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hiredgoon:

nuvexport is a must

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Como|Lappy:

never heard of it

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hiredgoon:

setup some jobs to export to xvid/divx automatically

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hiredgoon:

and cut the commercials

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Como|Lappy:

oh, dont think i'll be needing that

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hiredgoon:

k

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Como|Lappy:

i dont actually watch tv

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Como|Lappy:

this is for my woman

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Como|Lappy:

and she used to record some horse races to vhs, so i figure i'll rig it for dvd

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Como|Lappy:

and i want mythweb

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hiredgoon:

mythweb rocks

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Como|Lappy:

and i'll need a way to play some of her old avi videos

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hugolp:

hiredgoon: whats so good about mythweb?

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hiredgoon:

ease of use for setting up recordings

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hugolp:

well yes

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Como|Lappy:

when your laptop never leaves your side i could imagine it being awesome

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Como|Lappy:

that mythbox has access to 200 channels

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Como|Lappy:

i dont even own a tv myself

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Como|Lappy:

i'd imagine i'll be recording some cartoons

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Como|Lappy:

anyways, onto some plugins

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MaverickT:

Como|Lappy: I use MythArchive a lot

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MaverickT:

mainly to archive recordings

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Como|Lappy:

simply type 'qmake mythvideo.pro'

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Como|Lappy:

hm

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Como|Lappy:

so im assuming these plugins need to find their way into the mythtv folder

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Como|Lappy:

and then i have to rebuild mythtv to include them

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wraz79:

anybody knwo how to fix a prebuffer pause?

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MaverickT:

are you using a packaged mythtv Como|Lappy ?

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Tanthrix:

Is it bad that I always just do "make" and "make install," none of the qmake stuff?

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Como|Lappy:

errr, what would it mean to be packaged, and how would i know?

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MaverickT:

Tanthrix: make && sudo make install << does it for me

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MaverickT:

how did you install mythtv ?

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hiredgoon:

Como|Lappy: if you mean in reference to my earlier statement...

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Como|Lappy:

downloaded it, ripped it open, lots of compiling and kernel modifications

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hiredgoon:

on ubuntu i type "apt-get install mythvideo" and it downloads and installs that package and it automatically works

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Como|Lappy:

and lots of questions in here

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hiredgoon:

no compiling or other messing around

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hiredgoon:

:)

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Como|Lappy:

yeah...

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hiredgoon:

not very 31337 tho

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Como|Lappy:

i liked that about gentoo

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Como|Lappy:

but it always wound up with too much crap installed

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hiredgoon:

k, afk – dinner time

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Como|Lappy:

slackware makes it hard to install stuff, so it doesnt get clogged

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MaverickT:

when you did ./configure on mythtplugins – what did you select to enable ?

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Como|Lappy:

i do remember theres a command that'll tell me though

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Como|Lappy:

http://dually.netman86.com/myth

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Como|Lappy:

ha

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Como|Lappy:

MaverickT- does that answer the question?

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MaverickT:

what was my question ?

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Como|Lappy:

if my mythtv was packaged

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wraz79:

anybody know how to fix the prebuffer pauce?

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MaverickT:

not really Como|Lappy

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MaverickT:

but if you do a ./configure previous on your mythplugins directory, you will see if you enabled the installation of mythvideo

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Como|Lappy:

http://dually.netman86.com/myth

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Como|Lappy:

wait, mythplugins

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Como|Lappy:

is that a direcory inside mythtv?

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MaverickT:

I am using svn

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Como|Lappy:

ok, i diddnt realize the mythplugin thing i downloaded had its own configure

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wraz79:

is there a way to increase the buffering in mythtv to help with the HD channels?

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wraz79:

ive also seen that changing the HZ in the kernal to 1000 helps too but how hard is it to do?

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hound:

wraz79, what happens when you try to watch hdtv channels? like how bad does it play back

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hound:

wraz79, prebuffer pause I always took as being normal. I see that on my system and everything plays smooth.

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wraz79:

its pretty skippy its unwatchable cause its just annoying

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wraz79:

worked fine lastnight. dont know why its actin up now

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hound:

Are you sure it's not a bad signal? May be worth while finding a test video to debug problems with. Do you use xvmc?

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wraz79:

cant use it ati raedon card

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wraz79:

nope when i hook my dish to my reciever i get 82%

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hound:

on my laptop I can play hd content through mythfrontend, but can't get mplayer to play smooth.

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wraz79:

well i can watch the recordings and they play fine just the live tv has problems

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hound:

does recording a show take up that much proccessing power?

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hound:

Check and make sure you are actually playing a recorded HD video, you may be playing a video at lower resolution and thats why it works.

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wraz79:

how do i check that?

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hound:

I don't know really, I would go to my myth tv guide and choose something with the HD symbol on it and tell it to record

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BSD_Tech:

ok mythdora with all the patches rocks

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wraz79:

ok well i go to a hd channel and record and the recording playes fine.

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hound:

does it play the recording fine while it's still recording, just with a larger time shift?

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wraz79:

what do you mean?like if i skip back?

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dscoular:

Any Australians missing tv_grab_au_reg listings for Channel Nine from midnight onwards ?

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hound:

No you say it works from a recording. I'm trying to distinguish what's changed from when you watch livetv from when you watch a recording. Since watching live TV is very much like watching a recording all I can think of that's different is the show has a bit of a buffer

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wraz79:

hmm i dont know. seems wierd cause it was working good lastnight. and there isnt a way to just have the stream comethrough and not be recorded is there?

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wraz79:

as for whats diffrent i have no idea

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hound:

When you say it works when it's recording.. is it still recording at the time you are playing back the recording?

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hound:

or do you stop the recording, THEN try and play it

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wraz79:

i just hit escape to get to th emenu and go to recordings and watch it

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hound:

ah gotcha.

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wraz79:

yeah sorry im a noob with this.lol

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wraz79:

would changing the HD ring buffer help?

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hound:

I only know what I've learned fighting with HD myself the last couple days. It seems like recording HD content is taking up too much resources, I've never seen my system use any resources to merely record though.

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wraz79:

yeah thats what i thought but when i check my system resources monitor im not using a much. so i figgure if you can stop it from recording as you watch live tv it would be smooth. but i dont think you can stop mythtv form recording

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hound:

You could try increasing it, the note that goes with it says increasing helps until the point you start using swap, then it hurts.

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wraz79:

yeah ill give it a try.

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hound:

yea I wouldn't think your CPU would be the bottleneck if it works when not recording. Maybe a setting with the hard drive, or maybe you already are using swap and that's killing your performance.

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wraz79:

do you have to restart the frontend after changing the setting? or does it work right away?

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hound:

no idea

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wraz79:

i read somethign somewhere about unmounting your nfs drive to help the HD but no clue how to do it

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wraz79:

such a pain cause i love the program and would love to get rid of xp for sat watching.lol

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hound:

nfs? like network file system?

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wraz79:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . fering_pause

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wraz79:

i also read somethign about changing the HZ in your kernal to 1000 but sounds like it would be alot of work

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TSCHAK:

hello

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TSCHAK:

is there any way to tune an ivtv/pvrusb2 outside of mythtv?

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TSCHAK:

i need to lock the tv tuner onto a specific channel

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hound:

wraz79, I don't think you use NFS so not to worry. And the second thing your saying I've seen but I can't recall where. It had a single command line for you to run to set it

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wraz79:

oh for changing the HZ in the kernal?

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hound:

wraz79, I think so. I can't find where I saw it. Do you know?

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wraz79:

well ive seen articles talk about changing it but somethign about editing a gonfig file and recompiling the kernal

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hound:

ah can't help you there

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wraz79:

yeah sounds complicated so i closed the window

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TSCHAK:

dscoular, i got it thanks :-)

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. Could someone offer me an example filter line (as found in tv-playback settings) ... I'm not finding the little example at the bottom particularly intuitive (eg, is it 'vo=xvmc,vf=yadif:kerndeint' or 'vo=xvmc vf=yadif,kerndeint' or something else)

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BSD_Tech:

hmmm

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BSD_Tech:

anyone else having issues with the weather module not working

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BSD_Tech:

no data

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BSD_Tech:

but the doppler page works

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baxter_kylie:

oh... nm my problem... found it (finally) on the wiki.

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baxter_kylie:

BSD_Tech: Yes. Same here. I think they must have changed the format on the website

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BSD_Tech:

ok so its not just me

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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russellb:

2dfdfdfdf

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mchou:

damn, my mythbox mobo just died.

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mchou:

I even know what the problem is.

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mchou:

POS mobo

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mchou:

cheapass voltage regulator on mobo

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

thought this setup was gonna last me forever

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Tanthrix:

mchou: Time to whip out the soldering iron!

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

heeeeeeelp

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hound:

what's that

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mchou:

Tanthrix: I would except it's just cheaper to buy a new mobo than replacing the voltage regulator

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Ediehow:

the error when playback has problems

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mchou:

new mobo is $40

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mchou:

time to order single voltage regulator: 4 weeks

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mchou:

Tanthrix: you figure it out :)

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Tanthrix:

mchou: Where do you get your parts from? 4 weeks is a bit insane...

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Tanthrix:

In any case, you might be able to find one from a donor mobo

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mchou:

Tanthrix: I havent looked into it really, but lead time of 4 weeks is not uncommon

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Tanthrix:

All the 1000 uF and 1500 uF caps on my main system started oozing a while back, and eventually the system became unstable

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mchou:

If I were to do it I'd try Mouser first

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Tanthrix:

An old PIII mobo and an hour of soldering later, I'm back in business

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mchou:

bah. caps are easy. I get those same day

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mchou:

voltage regualtorson the other hand.....

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mchou:

got to find the equivalent part and crap

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mchou:

way too much hassle

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Tanthrix:

You lack the spirit of the true tinkerer, mchou. ;)

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Tanthrix:

(I'd probably do the same in your case, though I would check my collection of old mobos to see if I could find something that would do the trick, more common than you'd think)

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mchou:

dude, the regulator is ~3mm square

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mchou:

aint no way I find that MOSFET on a older mobo

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mchou:

plus I dont wanna deal w/ the down time

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Tanthrix:

I wish someone would do some mobo longevity studies

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Tanthrix:

I don't give a rat's ass about whether or not it gets a 3 percent performance increase over the competitor's equivlanet board of the same chipset, but I do care if they use substandard components, or push the components they have past their tolerances

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Tanthrix:

(Er, and I thought you were talking about one of the larger voltage regulators, but I guess those aren't needed nowadays)

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Tanthrix:

Then again, every manufacturer probably just uses whatever parts they can get cheapest, so one brand may not be any better than another

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spinull:

can anyone tell me why my sound goes off

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spinull:

the only thing i can do to fix it is restart

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spinull:

the computer

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spinull:

i would very much, not like to have to do that

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spinull:

or somthing

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prekitt:

Night everyone

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prekitt:

is there a way to scan for videos when mythfrontend starts?

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baxter_kylie:

~Weird~ One of my hdtv channels revs up X cpu usage to 89% and mythfrontend to 30% with no noticeable frame dropping... another hd channel leaves X at around 5% use and mythfrontend at around 56–65% with occasional frame drops near the top.

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rokstar:

anyone know where the settings in mythtv are for automatically naming of recordings?

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mchou:

rokstar: what do you mean?

[04:30:09]

mchou:

rokstar: iirc that aint exactly settable :)

[04:30:49]

mchou:

it names what it names and you don't get myth change it :)

[04:31:26]

zdzisekg:

rokstat, there is a script in contrib that will rename it if you run it

[04:31:37]

rokstar:

contrib?

[04:31:39]

mchou:

Tanthrix: dude, you read the MSFT link I gave out abou 24 hrs ago?

[04:32:47]

mchou:

Fry's and outpost pricing are screwed up

[04:33:01]

mchou:

really is starting to piss me off

[04:33:16]

zdzisekg:

rockstart, contrib directory of your mythtv source. or http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/contrib

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zdzisekg:

rockstart, mythrename is what you want I think

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rokstar:

k, thanks for the reference

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BSD_Tech:

so far 11 dvd moved to my mythtv

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BSD_Tech:

man 320 gig drive is nice

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mchou:

BSD_Tech: bah. 500GB is nicer :)

[04:49:28]

mchou:

BSD_Tech: and if you need 750GB you watch way too much TV :)

[04:49:32]

BSD_Tech:

yes but they did not have a 500 and I got the 320 ata100 for 60 bucks

[04:49:43]

mchou:

BSD_Tech: linky?

[04:49:57]

BSD_Tech:

and it has the new liquid bearing system and its so quiet

[04:50:01]

BSD_Tech:

?

[04:50:14]

mchou:

BSD_Tech: who sold the drive? :)

[04:50:18]

BSD_Tech:

went to the closing of compusa

[04:50:23]

mchou:

ahh, ok

[04:50:31]

mchou:

BSD_Tech: make?

[04:50:36]

BSD_Tech:

maxtor

[04:50:50]

mchou:

yeah, sounds like a great deal

[04:51:06]

BSD_Tech:

I know that office depot has a deal going on also

[04:51:07]

xai:

I'm getting a dish network 311 box and want to know if there is a howto to set it up with myth. My understanding is that you need an IR blaster to get myth to query the programming.. how does that work exactly?

[04:51:46]

BSD_Tech:

myth on a dishnetwork box

[04:51:48]

BSD_Tech:

wow

[04:51:59]

mchou:

BSD_Tech: how good is the OD deal?

[04:52:23]

mchou:

xai: IR balsters are a pain in the ass

[04:52:29]

mchou:

blasters*

[04:52:51]

BSD_Tech:

http://www.officedepot.com/browse.do?Nr=200000&N=267389

[04:52:52]

xai:

mchou: how can myth get the programming then?

[04:53:13]

baxter_kylie:

mchou: Don't say that... I'm going to have to set one up in a couple months.

[04:53:25]

xai:

ok.. that's what I thought. mchou: i suppose cable is much easier since its not encrypted..

[04:53:31]

mchou:

baxter_kylie: dude, it's the truth

[04:53:35]

BSD_Tech:

looks like thier deal is over

[04:53:46]

BSD_Tech:

it was on sale for the last 4 days

[04:53:56]

mchou:

baxter_kylie: go serial or firewire if possible

[04:53:58]

BSD_Tech:

it was 129 and 50 dollar rebate

[04:54:58]

mchou:

BSD_Tech: which drive is it? gives me a page full of drives

[04:55:20]

** Tanthrix has a (ir)rational fear of Maxtor drives **

[04:55:35]

mchou:

Western digitals are worse

[04:55:51]

mchou:

Maxtor drives are now mostly made by seagate anyways

[04:56:08]

Tanthrix:

Hence the (ir) – everyone thinks one manfacturer is worse than another, but in the end, everyone is most likely wrong

[04:56:09]

baxter_kylie:

mchou: Not across the boards. There are some WD laptop drives that are superior to others.

[04:56:15]

mchou:

even has seagates firmware 7xxx.xx

[04:56:40]

mchou:

baxter_kylie: yeah, I was only talking desktop

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Tanthrix:

I've had 4 separate maxtor drives go out on me over the years, and not a single WD, not once. So I'm not a big fan, though since they bought out I probably shouldn't worry anymore

[04:57:27]

baxter_kylie:

mchou: Ahh. I really enjoy Seagate in desktops.

[04:57:31]

mchou:

i bought a WD a few months ago and the 2nd day of using it it developed bad sectors (and wasn't hot spared)

[04:57:51]

mchou:

that's the true sign of a POS

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BSD_Tech:

hold brb

[04:58:02]

mchou:

no sector sparing

[04:58:16]

Tanthrix:

Purely ancedotal evidence about the quality of WD.

[04:58:23]

Tanthrix:

Just as mine is about Maxtor

[04:58:42]

Tanthrix:

I wish Google would release their internal data about different drive manufacturer's failure rates

[04:58:43]

mchou:

Tanthrix: nope. I've had a whole string of WD drives fail

[04:59:14]

mchou:

and no other manufacturers drives have failed on me. (knock wood)

[04:59:20]

mchou:

including maxtor

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Tanthrix:

mchou: Still completely ancedotal.

[04:59:35]

Tanthrix:

By the way, I did read that page. Thanks for the link

[04:59:47]

baxter_kylie:

mchou: Heh. I've had one samsung die in 20 days, one fujitsu die in 40, one wd die in 1 year and one toshiba die in 1.5 years.

[04:59:50]

mchou:

dude, no hot sparing aint "anecdotal"

[05:00:10]

baxter_kylie:

mchou: They all actually crapped in the last 2 months.

[05:00:15]

mchou:

it's just plain stupid

[05:00:34]

mchou:

baxter_kylie: you better check your power suplly. no joke

[05:00:40]

mchou:

supply*

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Tanthrix:

mchou: Having a few drives die is completely meaningless compared to the millions produced every year. Go read up on the scientific method, and the correct interpretation of statistics.

[05:01:03]

Tanthrix:

;)

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mchou:

it aint about statistics when there is no sector sparing

[05:01:40]

mchou:

it's called "cutting corners"

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baxter_kylie:

mchou: 4 different machines

[05:02:14]

baxter_kylie:

mchou: I have what is called 'the magnetic finger' ... machines just break for completely unknown reasons around me. I'm cursed.

[05:02:24]

mchou:

baxter_kylie: then call the electric company and get some decent UPSes

[05:02:39]

baxter_kylie:

mchou: It's not power. Some of those were laptop drives.

[05:02:44]

Tanthrix:

mchou: All bad sectors means is you've run out of spare error correction sectors, or something else is seriously wrong with the drive.

[05:03:18]

mchou:

Tanthrix: how can I run out of spare sectors when the drive has only been on for 24 hrs?

[05:03:30]

Tanthrix:

mchou: Because the drive was defective.....

[05:03:39]

Tanthrix:

Obviously.

[05:03:41]

mchou:

Tanthrix: my point exactly

[05:03:48]

mchou:

WD sucks

[05:03:50]

mchou:

QED

[05:04:03]

Tanthrix:

So, because of this one drive, you discount an entire company?

[05:04:28]

mchou:

Tanthrix: and if you read the MSFT link you know Dagmar was taking outta his ass last night.

[05:04:32]

Tanthrix:

Or even a few bad drives? When there are all sorts of people (such as me) who have never had a problem with WD, ever, but the reverse instead for other companies?

[05:04:40]

BSD_Tech:

http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK& . . . mp;An=browse

[05:04:45]

BSD_Tech:

they ended the sale

[05:04:51]

BSD_Tech:

it was on all week

[05:04:59]

BSD_Tech:

it ended today it seems

[05:05:07]

mchou:

BSD_Tech: hmm, too bad. missed it

[05:05:25]

BSD_Tech:

looking on techdepot

[05:05:31]

mchou:

BSD_Tech: would rather not deal with rebates anyways

[05:06:53]

mchou:

Tanthrix: the guy was too dense to understand that OEM kit doesnt modify the HAL

[05:06:54]

BSD_Tech:

yeah

[05:07:02]

BSD_Tech:

look on pricewatch.com

[05:07:05]

Tanthrix:

mchou: What are you, 12 years old or something?

[05:07:07]

BSD_Tech:

always good deals

[05:07:17]

mchou:

Tanthrix: huh?

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Tanthrix:

mchou: Seems to be a bit on the immature side bringing up last night's conversation to prove to me how right you were vs. the evil, stupid Dagmar..

[05:08:33]

mchou:

Tanthrix: lol. it aint about that. I just dont like ppl who bullshit

[05:09:25]

mchou:

speaking of bullshit, I saw a funny bumper sticker

[05:11:43]

mchou:

so imagine a bumper sticker that's blue on the left, and red on the right, like an american flag.....

[05:11:55]

mchou:

B U | S H

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mchou:

S H | I T

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mchou:

where the "|" is the demarcation between red and blue

[05:13:08]

mchou:

I though that was clever

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mchou:

thought*

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grndslm:

is there any benefit to recording with pvr-500 at anything greater than 480x480? also what's the relevance of recording aspect ratio?? how would i know whether to use 4:3 or 16:9?

[05:13:51]

Tanthrix:

grndslm: All SD stuff is 4:3 as far as I know, so go with 4:3.

[05:14:51]

Tanthrix:

grndslm: And about the resolution: You should just try a few and see what you like better. I do 720x480, even though it's more than I need, simply because SD video is so low quality to begin with that I don't want to in any way make it worse. (That and I'm not short on space, so it's not a big issue)

[05:16:32]

Tanthrix:

Though, in reality, if my understanding is correct, anything above 640x480 gets you nothing as far as NTSC is concerned.

[05:17:38]

mchou:

damn

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BSD_Tech:

ok this is a pisser

[05:44:45]

BSD_Tech:

it says its riping to iso but I cant find them on the system

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BSD_Tech:

I ripped 11 dvd so far

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Tanthrix:

BSD_Tech: updatedb then "locate .iso'

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moodboom:

hey all, love my mythtv, but why doesn't the myth volume control all the alsa channels? is there another volume app with global keyboard shortcut that i should use? tia

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Dagmar:

moodboom: Look in the frontend setup menus and you will find yoou get to choose whether or not ALSA changes the volume of Main or just PCM.

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moodboom:

dagmar: ok, will play there, thanks

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IronEag1e:

mmm. if i do a rescan for channels on my mythtv backend – will it remove all previously found channels?

[05:59:16]

IronEag1e:

made the mistake of scanning for everything in the first place, now i have >1600 channels and need to sort them out

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BSD_Tech:

nogo

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BSD_Tech:

but I have another issue

[06:04:33]

BSD_Tech:

it created a dir as it fialed to rip 1 did but it does not show up in myth but if you look in the /media /video dir there is a dir for it

[06:04:47]

BSD_Tech:

but if I try to rm it it says read only filesystem

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Dagmar:

You have BSD_Tech as a nickname, and you don't know to look at file permissions/ownership?

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IronEag1e:

what does mount say?

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BSD_Tech:

you do things diff on linux compaired to bsd

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IronEag1e:

maybe you have some filesystem trouble and the FS got remounted ro?

[06:06:37]

BSD_Tech:

and it seems to be set by myth

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IronEag1e:

and ls -alp should be quite universal :)

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Dagmar:

BSD_Tech: Don't give me that "you do things diff" crap. I have used varions BSDs many times.

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Dagmar:

s/varions/various/l

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BSD_Tech:

you guys use multi diff files systems

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BSD_Tech:

most bsd systems are ffs2

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BSD_Tech:

so that a diff to start

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sid3windr:

(ufs2)

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Dagmar:

That does not matter.

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sid3windr:

read only *filesystem* really does mean your entire filesystem

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BSD_Tech:

well I just rebooted the box and the /mdeia is set rx rx rx

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Dagmar:

Which means it's read-only.

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Dagmar:

What filesystem is it a part of and how is it mounted?

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BSD_Tech:

but why is it setting it that way .

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Dagmar:

Well, obviously that was a very complex question.

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Dagmar:

Maybe you should stick with Windows Media Center Edition.

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BSD_Tech:

not

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BSD_Tech:

I dont touch windows

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BSD_Tech:

brb looking at the mythdora at what fs it uses

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** baxter_kylie facepalms. **

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BSD_Tech:

its owned by mythtv;4294967295 and I cant change permissions on it

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BSD_Tech:

to rm it

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BSD_Tech:

it seems to be a locked readonly

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Dagmar:

Yeah, way to not actually answer the question

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BSD_Tech:

the dir is chowned 766 by root

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BSD_Tech:

its ext3

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BSD_Tech:

and this is a mythdora 4 box

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BSD_Tech:

and the dir is owned by root

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BSD_Tech:

i think its a bug in our script now

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BSD_Tech:

it seems the cleanup script is failing

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BSD_Tech:

it is a mythdora issue

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Dagmar:

You don't even know what I'm talking about when I say "what filesystem is it a part of"

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moodboom:

ack i played with frontend audio settings, ev suggested combination, but still, either i don't use ALSA and myth only controls the "front" speaker vol, or i do use ALSA and myth doesn't seem to change the volume at all, sigh

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moodboom:

xine volume seems to be working 100% (changes all speakers), fwiw

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t0ny-p40:

Whats the dots about a tv image called?

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Anduin:

Spida: impossible to say

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Spida:

any idea what I could do to find out/fix it?

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Steve14:

hi there

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Steve14:

have problem with mythvideo, i can't set pictures for my movies, does the picture have to be in a special format or does i've to give it a special name ?

[08:23:09]

Steve14:

any ideas ?

[08:30:50]

Steve14:

thx, got it, while looking on screenshots of mythvideo

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gardengnome:

i've always found jpeg files on the intarwebs most inspiring

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gardengnome:

glad it's working for you now :)

[08:32:16]

Sid`:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264347 is also relevant

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Steve14:

gardengnome: putting it in home/.mythtv/MythVideo has helped ;)

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Sid`:

especially for videos without pics on the internet

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Steve14:

uhm, are there any ways for making metadata for videos without imdb ?

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Sid`:

Steve14: read the url i just dumped

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Sid`:

Steve14: that dude's script uses mplayer to grab a few frames out of each video and turn em into jpeg files

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Sid`:

which is pretty rad

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juski:

wooo that's a big black mark for Fisty Faux.. doesn't boot :(

[08:36:02]

Sid`:

fisty fisty

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juski:

Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0

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juski:

I should verify the md5sum again

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Sid`:

well you're going to need some kind of parsable authoritative source

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Sid`:

juski: that sounds like your CD is busted

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gardengnome:

like IMDB? :)

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Sid`:

burn another one

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Sid`:

gardengnome: snap.

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juski:

you could always enter the data manually!

[08:37:38]

juski:

muhahahaha

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** juski is a heretic **

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juski:

if that's not your bag, you shouldn't download so much crap

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Sid`:

warez is more fun than data entry

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Sid`:

:P

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juski:

woo the umbongo is doing stuff. never seen a livecd boot so slowly

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Sid`:

not that i advocate either.

[08:39:05]

Sid`:

you don't want the livecd. it's crap. get the -alternate iso

[08:39:11]

Sid`:

that one actually has real packages on it

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Sid`:

as opposed to simply squirting the CD contents onto your hard disk

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juski:

I have the intertubes

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gardengnome:

Sid`: there is a imbd grabber, you know

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gardengnome:

imdb*

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juski:

a batch imdb grabber at that!

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juski:

amazing!

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Sid`:

gardengnome: < Steve14> uhm, are there any ways for making metadata for videos without imdb ?

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juski:

some might even say 'awesome'

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Sid`:

I'm well cognizant of the imdb grabber.

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Dagmar:

Then familiarize yourself with MythWeb and you're done.

[08:40:47]

Dagmar:

...because that's *it*

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juski:

or phpmyadmin :-P

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gardengnome:

Sid`: sorry, must have missed. i've just got up :)

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Sid`:

gardengnome: heh

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juski:

time to unplug my brain & go ahead with this install

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Sid`:

qt makefiles make baby jesus cry

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Sid`:

i've decided i hate qt.

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juski:

maybe it's not too fond of you either

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Sid`:

given some of the abuse i was hurling at qmake earlier

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Sid`:

i'd suggest it probably isn't

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juski:

there's a good reason mythtv uses qt – to make programming harder, to keep it among the elite ;)

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Sid`:

but, then, Ubuntu Fisty's libmyth-dev package has references to ccache in one of the top-level makefiles

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Sid`:

which is an ubuntu problem

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Sid`:

either way, i hate writing stuff in C++

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Sid`:

*shrug* good time to learn it i guess

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IronEag1e:

how long does it usually take for mythtv to catch eit data?

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juski:

IronEag1e: data starts trickling in after a few minutes, usually

[08:46:17]

juski:

or NEVER if you've not enabled 'useonairguide' in the channel table, or NEVER if you imported a channels.conf file instead of scanning

[08:46:29]

juski:

the question came up yesterday & you were here, so pay attention ;)

[08:47:22]

IronEag1e:

ok i should stop idling :)

[08:47:28]

IronEag1e:

i have some eit data, so basicly it works

[08:47:51]

IronEag1e:

some channels have data for today+tomorrow

[08:47:55]

Sid`:

EIT in .au sucks

[08:47:58]

IronEag1e:

some only for the next few hours

[08:48:04]

Sid`:

it's good for all of 2 hours

[08:48:21]

juski:

Sid`: I heard that might be changing for you guys soon

[08:48:28]

IronEag1e:

and i see eit messages in the backendlog – guess i'll just wait :)

[08:48:43]

juski:

IronEag1e: if you have a lot of channels it'll take a while

[08:48:51]

Sid`:

juski: i'd hope so

[08:48:55]

Sid`:

I just use shepherd

[08:49:19]

Sid`:

seems to do a reasonable job of dealing with AU tv guide data

[08:49:45]

juski:

shepherd? never seen anybody mention that one here

[08:50:02]

Sid`:

my mouse has failed it because mplayer hates me, or i'd paste a link

[08:50:04]

Sid`:

JFGI :)

[08:50:54]

Steve14:

i think advanched metadata would be great for next versions :)

[08:51:08]

juski:

Steve14: yeah! with your patches it'll be much better

[08:51:35]

Sid`:

how difficult is it to implement a tuner in mythbackend?

[08:51:36]

Steve14:

by the way, does mythtv save the informations only in mysql ?

[08:51:45]

Sid`:

i'm quickly getting the impression that that'd be a better way to do what i'm doing

[08:51:49]

Sid`:

rather than re-invent the wheel again

[08:51:57]

juski:

Steve14: only in the database

[08:52:11]

juski:

why have a database if you save stuff out to flat files anyway?!

[08:52:50]

hugolp:

juski: I think hes asking if you can use a database other than mysql.

[08:52:58]

hugolp:

like progres

[08:53:01]

juski:

you can't.. not right now

[08:53:09]

juski:

postgres I think you meant

[08:53:16]

Sid`:

DB access is abstracted

[08:53:19]

hugolp:

of course

[08:53:20]

Sid`:

so it'd be easy enough to write a postgres backend

[08:53:27]

juski:

no it wouldn't

[08:53:39]

hugolp:

sid go for it

[08:53:44]

juski:

jesus why the fuck do we have to go through this discussion every now & again?

[08:54:03]

Sid`:

MOST database access in the myth source uses the MSql* objects

[08:54:04]

juski:

the thing which'll stop you is the BFSQ

[08:54:13]

Sid`:

you'd be able to sort it out at compile-time

[08:54:19]

Tanthrix:

OMGWTFBBQ?

[08:54:22]

Sid`:

by writing another implementation of those classes

[08:54:30]

Sid`:

doing it RIGHT, on the other hand, would take a long time

[08:54:33]

Sid`:

and there's no point.

[08:54:43]

juski:

the big f'ing scheduler query!

[08:54:43]

Sid`:

mysql is good enough for a network-aware configuration file.

[08:55:05]

Tanthrix:

Hehe – nice acronym, I like!

[08:55:10]

Sid`:

heh

[08:55:15]

Sid`:

big join?

[08:55:18]

Sid`:

i haven't looked at the backend much

[08:55:22]

juski:

work has been going on to enable an embedded db engine, believe it or not. dunno where it's up to

[08:55:32]

juski:

Sid`: it's one hell of a horrendous query

[08:55:47]

Sid`:

postgres isn't THAT much slower than mysql these days... be interesting to benchmark it

[08:55:52]

Sid`:

see if the query could be optimised a bit

[08:56:24]

Tanthrix:

juski: I was actually thinking about that the other day. Sometimes it drives me a bit crazy having to seek out all the libraries for a particular program, then hoping you have the right versions so bugs don't creep in.

[08:56:52]

Tanthrix:

juski: So, despite how much space it can waste, I wish OSS projects would just include whatever libraries / helper adds they need, built in

[08:57:36]

Tanthrix:

(Unless it's prohibitively large, of course)

[08:58:05]

juski:

fight with Isaac over that one

[08:58:21]

juski:

it's one of the reasons certain plugins (i.e. mythstream) were never made official

[08:59:16]

juski:

a full mythtv distro doesn't have to take up a gigabyte of HDD space

[08:59:32]

Tanthrix:

I mean, it seems like every OSS software out there needs at least 5 different libraries to work – why isn't Windows the same pain in the ass?

[08:59:42]

juski:

minimyth, which I grant you is just a frontend based one, has a footprint of under 128MB

[08:59:50]

Steve14:

other problem, mythweather foesn't seams to work even with the lowest agressive settting oO

[08:59:57]

Steve14:

*doesn't

[09:00:07]

Steve14:

*seem

[09:00:15]

juski:

Steve14: mythweather is broken right now. see the -users mailing list archive

[09:00:26]

Steve14:

oh, thx

[09:00:31]

Tanthrix:

I guess space is somewhat of an issue, and it would seem silly to download a 750MB mythtv download (Think of the bandwidth!)

[09:01:15]

juski:

I saw a vista desktop the other day – it had realtime weather data on the desktop.. it's part of the OS apparently.. wonder if that could be er... borrowed ;)

[09:01:29]

Tanthrix:

hehe

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[09:02:37]

juski:

do I remember right here.. the mythweather-revamp code from the Google SoC has been resurrected?

[09:03:15]

juski:

I think I remember reading that it's how mythweather is gonna be fixed

[09:04:03]

juski:

right.. base OS is almost installed. next, nvidia drivers.. then.. just a blind-click-to-install mythtv action & see how messed up it's possible to get

[09:06:27]

juski:

way to go ubunut installer.. blue text on a black background! nice :|

[09:09:42]

Tanthrix:

Better than a small black light on a shiny black control panel that lights up black to let you know you've done something

[09:10:24]

Tanthrix:

With apologies to the late great Douglas Adams

[09:11:58]

juski:

heheh

[09:12:17]

juski:

okay, so wtf has happened to the ssh server in fisty

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[09:20:51]

juski:

be nice if fisty restarted the network stuff after changing the DNS settings

[09:21:07]

juski:

not just a fixed IP address setting. silly thing

[09:21:31]

juski:

morning gbee

[09:21:43]

gbee:

morning

[09:22:00]

** juski is setting about installing mythtv on feisty to see what happens **

[09:22:45]

Tanthrix:

If you want some real fun, try Xubuntu – it's even buggier

[09:23:00]

gbee:

and you're taking notes as you go along, so that you can write a guide afterwards?

[09:23:01]

juski:

wtf? installing nvidia drivers requires a restart? what happened to just loading the nvidia kernel module & restarting X after editing xorg.conf?

[09:23:05]

gbee:

that's a very good idea

[09:23:29]

Tanthrix:

juski: Shouldn't – I did it a few days ago and it worked.

[09:23:39]

gbee:

:)

[09:23:49]

pat_:

juski, good luck with that

[09:23:54]

juski:

Tanthrix: used the restricted driver manager to install it.. it said 'restart required'

[09:24:01]

pat_:

it's hard to unplug your brain when you have a clue

[09:24:06]

Tanthrix:

Oh – I just used the nvidia installer.

[09:24:24]

juski:

yeah I have had to plug my brain back in to get the network working properly

[09:24:49]

Tanthrix:

In any case, when I finally get around to building a new myth box, I think I'm going to force myself to use Arch Linux. I seriously grow weary of all these gui wizard friendly distros.

[09:24:55]

gbee:

juski: shout abuse at the Ubuntu team for completely undermining one of the strengths of LInux – no rebooting every 5 minutes

[09:24:59]

juski:

ok.. rebooted. not gonna test my dvb tuner card.. I mean who in their right mind would do that?

[09:25:07]

Tanthrix:

I think if I start out with the expectation of "If I don't do it myself, it won't work" I'll have a better time

[09:25:21]

juski:

it's Feisty! it'll just work out of the box (tm), right?

[09:25:24]

Tanthrix:

Even if it takes me longer to get everything setup properly

[09:25:36]

juski:

into synaptic I go...

[09:25:41]

pat_:

I'm either going to go with debian next time (due to the unplanned long release cycles) or centos (for the planned long support cycle)

[09:25:48]

Tanthrix:

Off to bed I go.

[09:27:13]

gbee:

Mandriva opted for yearly releases a year ago, but they've obviously decided that wasn't a brilliant idea so they've switched back to 6 month cycles instead

[09:27:36]

juski:

selected 'mythtv'.. installing

[09:28:23]

juski:

notice I don't have the community docs in front of me, and I've never read them for the purposes of this test

[09:29:17]

juski:

the plan is, try this way, without RTFM, without thinking.. then if it fails, go back, reinstall & work through the docs

[09:30:05]

juski:

just had a wicked idea. we should pick the dumbest users we see here & ask them to be part of a focus group

[09:30:32]

pat_:

maybe ask my wife

[09:30:33]

Tanthrix:

No problem! I'll get my list

[09:30:36]

juski:

oo a popup message. click 'forward' without reading it

[09:30:42]

pat_:

she's an it nut that's never installed linux

[09:30:46]

** Tanthrix actually goes to bed now **

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pat_:

(or bsd or be or anything else that's not up to windows xp)

[09:32:04]

juski:

you can be an IT pro all your working life & never come into contact with anything non-MS

[09:32:09]

gpd:

sorry is this an faq: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.

[09:32:23]

juski:

gpd: that's an ubuntu-ism

[09:32:46]

juski:

not an error as such as you'll find mythtv will work perfectly otherwise

[09:33:12]

juski:

another popup went unread.. click forward anyway

[09:33:33]

juski:

yay it's installed... what now? hmmm...

[09:33:54]

gpd:

juski: is there a # distribution of choice for mythtv?

[09:34:10]

juski:

I know.. I'll open a term & try to run 'mythtv' cos I just installed it, right?

[09:34:22]

juski:

gpd: yesh, whatever distro you like

[09:34:32]

mchou:

gbee: you use mandriva?

[09:34:43]

gbee:

mchou: aye

[09:34:56]

pat_:

juski, no. the menu!

[09:35:00]

mchou:

gbee: which ver you using? 2007.1?

[09:35:02]

pat_:

use the point and click

[09:35:10]

juski:

well, mythtv failed. it's bwoked!

[09:35:27]

juski:

access denied for user 'mythtv' blah blah blah.. hmmm

[09:35:33]

mchou:

lol

[09:35:42]

juski:

myth [tab] [tab].. maybe 'mythtv-setup'

[09:35:52]

mchou:

nope nope

[09:36:01]

gbee:

mchou: or 'Spring' as they are calling it, although it's not a clean install I just updated the packages from 2006

[09:36:02]

juski:

mythtv-setup.real ? (!)

[09:36:02]

pat_:

I see you've plugged your brain back in

[09:36:31]

gbee:

juski: mythtv sucks

[09:37:26]

gbee:

I like it, although because of the way I've upgraded I'm probably not seeing all the differences

[09:37:32]

mchou:

gbee: I 'm thinking of installing 2007.1 but my mobo fried today

[09:38:08]

gbee:

right now I'm playing knetwalk (the biggest difference I have noticed is that they increased the number of games ;) )

[09:38:27]

mchou:

sigh, dumbass mandriva

[09:38:32]

mchou:

lamers

[09:38:37]

juski:

fucking hell!

[09:38:38]

gardengnome:

games are important

[09:38:52]

gbee:

I've got some very limited transparency going on

[09:38:55]

mchou:

only 3d games are important

[09:39:08]

mchou:

mandriva games are 2d

[09:39:13]

mchou:

lamers!

[09:39:36]

gbee:

limited only because this is a laptop and only has a 6200

[09:39:54]

juski:

this is very very broken, still!

[09:39:57]

mchou:

gbee: that's plenty for transparency

[09:40:09]

mchou:

gbee: HW, that is

[09:40:32]

juski:

right I can totally see where our learned friend the other day was having problems

[09:40:39]

mchou:

sigh, this fired mobo is really giving me the fits

[09:40:47]

juski:

this is really out of fucking order

[09:41:14]

gbee:

mchou: I don't know, it worked but I the turned it off for some reason that I can't now remember

[09:41:23]

mchou:

juski: it wont be out of order if you followed the damn directions

[09:41:48]

juski:

mchou: that's not the point

[09:41:49]

mchou:

gbee: cause all it was was annoying eye candy :)

[09:42:00]

gbee:

mchou: that was probably it ;)

[09:42:03]

juski:

I'm deliberately not following the damn instructions!

[09:42:20]

mchou:

juski: fork off and die!

[09:42:53]

juski:

I'm being a 'typical' user as a test

[09:43:07]

mchou:

juski: dont be lame

[09:43:22]

gbee:

I should probably do a clean install of 2007.1 to really see what improvements have been made, I'm been running cooker packages for a long time so that kind of blurs the transition

[09:43:32]

juski:

mchou: don't be so damn critical all your life

[09:43:33]

mchou:

juski: you hang around this channel, no way you can even pretend to be typical user

[09:43:44]

gbee:

and I haven't seen what they've done with the installation or config stuff

[09:43:59]

mchou:

juski: ever heard of Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle?

[09:44:10]

gardengnome:

mchou: he's hanging around here, what does that make him? a bitter sucker? ;)

[09:44:14]

hugolp:

mchou lighten us

[09:44:28]

juski:

well, this has got to the stage where I need to plug my brain in again

[09:44:28]

pat_:

it's got a way to go before mythtv is point and click

[09:44:44]

juski:

mythtv-setup just isn't working.. not one iota

[09:44:57]

mchou:

pat_: there is no click cause myth doesnt use the mouse

[09:45:09]

hugolp:

mchou: you can

[09:45:10]

hugolp:

use it

[09:45:17]

pat_:

yay, the dams are empty, we're on level 5 water restrictions and it is raining

[09:45:26]

mchou:

hugolp: sure, but that's not the default setting

[09:45:40]

hugolp:

no, its not

[09:46:12]

juski:

what in hell's name have they done here? this is insane

[09:46:37]

gardengnome:

juski: they supplied a package and their own documentation. nothing wrong with that

[09:47:02]

pat_:

juski, about now is when you'd start to read docs and do google searches. surely? especially if you wanted to use myth

[09:47:13]

pat_:

try some half arsed google searches and see what you get

[09:47:19]

juski:

I'd come in here & act retarded

[09:47:27]

** juski googles "mythtv isn't working" **

[09:47:31]

mchou:

pat_: what are ya, new around here?

[09:47:42]

Dagmar:

pat_: People don't do that

[09:47:48]

pat_:

mchou: just playing along with the experiment

[09:47:50]

Steve14:

juski: uhm, mysql installed and configured for mythtv ?

[09:47:58]

Dagmar:

What they do is they come in here and whine and say "But I've spent the last five days Googling"

[09:48:10]

pat_:

mchou: (it's what I did before I tried to install it)

[09:48:16]

gbee:

if they change the setup of mythtv then finding guides to install it is harder because most of them don't apply any more

[09:48:28]

juski:

ahh 'myth-backend-master' wasn't installed. maybe that's it

[09:48:30]

gbee:

it makes setup and support harder

[09:48:31]

Steve14:

"Googling, yuck, there are other search machines too ;)

[09:49:02]

mchou:

pat_: hehe, welcome to global warming

[09:49:05]

gardengnome:

s/machines/engines/ – there's also #mythtv-de :)

[09:49:09]

Steve14:

juski: without a backend you can't run a frontend ;)

[09:49:14]

mchou:

pat_: you aussies are in deep doo

[09:49:34]

pat_:

it'll rain sometime soon

[09:49:39]

pat_:

rain properly I mean

[09:49:42]

pat_:

has to

[09:49:51]

mchou:

pat_: you aussies ought to read Steinbecks "Grapes of Wrath"

[09:50:00]

juski:

it's official. without reading their docs (if you can find em) you're royally screwed

[09:50:07]

mchou:

cause the dust bowl is coming your way

[09:50:44]

mchou:

pat_: there's gonna be plenty of aussie Joads

[09:51:11]

juski:

if I can't work out wtf has gone wrong with a seemingly logical series of setup steps... where's the hope for the user who uses synaptic?

[09:51:56]

mchou:

juski: cause if you used RPM it would be more sane?

[09:52:24]

gbee:

juski: change the topic, add that ubuntu users should use #ubuntu-mythtv and let them figure it out for themselves

[09:52:29]

mchou:

cause RPM would pull in dependencies automagically

[09:52:47]

juski:

I mean this with all seriousness. running 'mythtv-setup' simply is NOT running what I recognise to be mythtv-setup

[09:52:57]

mchou:

lol

[09:53:05]

mchou:

it's a virus

[09:53:20]

gardengnome:

mchou: um, synaptic pulls in dependencies as well...

[09:53:46]

mchou:

gardengnome: dude, obviously it didnt pull in the right dependencies

[09:54:07]

mchou:

gardengnome: cause juski party aint happening

[09:54:09]

juski:

gbee: I gave away my operator-fu

[09:55:05]

gbee:

hmm

[09:55:13]

mchou:

sigh, this is bullshit. crappy mobo from Frys or crappy mobo from newegg

[09:55:16]

** pat_ looks at ebay for new sata drives and decides he can do better at his local cheep and cheerful cash and carry shop **

[09:55:44]

juski:

this is really something else. it must've come to a head when I've got to read docs to install mythtv

[09:56:15]

gardengnome:

mchou: the package maintainer is responsible for filling in the proper dependencies. it's not a problem of the package format itself.

[09:56:27]

gbee:

well lets see if I can pull any strings at all, because if they've f'ked with the setup then having feisty users in here is going to cause large amounts of confusion

[09:56:56]

juski:

gbee: I'm just gonna bookmark their docs & yell the URL out

[09:57:07]

mchou:

gardengnome: so it is with RPM. so ring up the synaptic maintainer

[09:57:30]

juski:

though something tells me that once you've gone down the route I've just tried, going back to the docs isn't going to help much

[09:57:56]

gardengnome:

mchou: it's not a problem of the package management software. it's not a problem of the package format. if there was a problem, it'd be inside the package, in the "depends" field of the debian/control file.

[09:58:05]

mchou:

juski: dont be lame. what's needed is a meta-package

[09:58:22]

pat_:

juski, purge the packages and try again following the docs?

[09:58:25]

gardengnome:

anyways, i'll try installing feisty later on my mythtv box and i'll let you know how it goes. it can't be that fucked up.

[09:58:33]

mchou:

mythtv-backend meta package (with all the deps)

[09:58:41]

gardengnome:

mchou: there are a bunch of meta packages. juski just ashn't bothered to read their docs. :)

[09:58:54]

gardengnome:

mchou: and you obviously have no fucking clue what you are talking about. :)

[09:59:05]

mchou:

and mythtv-frontend meta package for just the (client frontend)

[10:00:10]

mchou:

gardengnome: bullshit. if there were meta-packages there wouldnt be problems with deps

[10:00:32]

** juski remembers seeing a brief popup about /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt.. goes to look in there **

[10:00:38]

mchou:

meta-packages means you really wont need to consult docs

[10:00:41]

gardengnome:

mchou: there are meta packages. and i have yet to see evidence that there actually is a problem with missing dependencies.

[10:00:58]

gardengnome:

mchou: no. you've just made up that definition :)

[10:01:04]

mchou:

gardengnome: juski just cited an example

[10:01:07]

Dagmar:

If wishes were horses, beggars would all have plenty of fresh horse-shit, too.

[10:01:17]

juski:

aha!

[10:01:30]

gardengnome:

mchou: that's mythtv-setup being broken. not necessarily a problem with missing dependencies.

[10:01:44]

mchou:

gardengnome: what definition are you referring to?

[10:01:46]

Dagmar:

You forget that with mchou it's not about whether something is or isn't, it's about whether it's convenient to his attempts at being forever argumentative.

[10:01:58]

juski:

it's becoming clearer what's going on. if you're totally ass-dumb & just dismiss the informational popups you get during installation, you deserve all the problems you get!

[10:01:59]

gardengnome:

mchou: FYI, it's a conscious decision not to install the mysql-server package. the user is supposed to do that themselves because they might want to initialize the database on a different host.

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: true

[10:02:42]

juski:

so I'd not say installing mythtv on feisty is a no-brainer.. but it's pretty damn close

[10:03:08]

mchou:

gardengnome: that's precisely what a metapackage is for. mythbackend-no-mysql

[10:03:22]

gardengnome:

mchou: your definition of "meta package". and claiming that .deb doesn't have proper dependency handling actually disqualifies you from any discussion with sane human beings.

[10:03:26]

gardengnome:

mchou: welcome to my killfile

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mchou:

and mythbackend-with-mysql

[10:04:22]

juski:

heh I can see one thing the metapackage didn't do. add me to the 'video' group ;)

[10:04:39]

gardengnome:

juski: file a bug :)

[10:05:19]

juski:

erm.. WHAT video group?!

[10:05:21]

** gardengnome goes to wash off the sick feeling of another useless discussion on teh intartubes **

[10:06:26]

Dagmar:

looks like you better put up flyers

[10:06:30]

Dagmar:

Your udev has run away

[10:08:38]

juski:

okay so cx88-dvb is no longer automagically loaded. I'd call that regression

[10:11:28]

gardengnome:

juski: talk to j-rod. cx88-dvb was never loaded automagically afaik

[10:11:37]

juski:

aaand only some of the tables are present in the database. niiice

[10:11:37]

gardengnome:

it is now, in recent kernels

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juski:

drop mythconverg, create mythconverg...

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juski:

that's better. I have a settings table now

[10:16:04]

juski:

weird!

[10:19:31]

juski:

so, no video group membership required.. just as well since there isn't one

[10:19:53]

juski:

and I have mythtv working.. not bad

[10:20:48]

juski:

gets the thumbs up from me.. you can install it without reading the docs, but ignore the popup messages at your peril!

[10:21:30]

juski:

configuring mythtv-setup is the same as it always was.. plug yer brain in for it & you'll be fine.

[10:21:34]

juski:

nice work, superm1

[10:23:18]

hugolp:

juski: can you recomend me a bit torrent client?

[10:24:08]

Dagmar:

Bittorrent works

[10:24:16]

juski:

heh I was about to say that

[10:26:08]

hugolp:

can anyone recomend me a server/client bit torrent client software?

[10:27:55]

juski:

hugolp: what's wrong with bittorrent?

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juski:

it serves as well, though asking in a mythtv related channel is probably unwise.. folks can easily jump to conclusions

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hugolp:

juski I just use bit torrent to download creative common stuff

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hugolp:

I would never violate a copyright

[10:29:19]

Dagmar:

So then you'll be fine with Bram's original client then'

[10:29:48]

juski:

if you have infinite memory the java-based azureus is available

[10:29:48]

hugolp:

Dagmar: I want something that I can have in the server downloading, but acces to it through any computer

[10:30:02]

Dagmar:

So?

[10:30:07]

juski:

or there's BITTORRENT !

[10:30:10]

Dagmar:

Use screen and bitorrent-ncurses

[10:30:21]

Dagmar:

The standard client has both GUI and ncurses interfaces

[10:30:31]

hugolp:

whats ncurses?

[10:30:43]

Dagmar:

The text client.

[10:30:44]

juski:

what's a search engine?

[10:31:02]

Dagmar:

There's no sane reason for every freaking program to have to independently support session disconnection and resumption

[10:31:51]

hugolp:

well, anything with for example a web interface?

[10:31:54]

hugolp:

or a remote client?

[10:31:56]

juski:

heheh "ITV is no longer fully independent", say the office of fair trading. 'bout time

[10:32:20]

harzi:

hugolp: torrentflux has a webinterface

[10:32:36]

hugolp:

ok thanks harzi, Im going to google that

[10:32:40]

hugolp:

do you use it?

[10:32:46]

harzi:

yes

[10:33:25]

hugolp:

so, any downside?

[10:33:32]

hugolp:

anything to know before I try?

[10:33:32]

harzi:

good to start your torrents from everywhere

[10:33:36]

Dagmar:

juski: I heard those quiz show people are about to start handing out massive refunds

[10:34:07]

harzi:

downside? hm, you can not click simply on a torrent-link, you need to copy-paste it to the webinterface

[10:34:15]

Dagmar:

Especially if you're too stupid to use screen.

[10:34:55]

juski:

Dagmar: yeah. serves em right!

[10:35:11]

harzi:

maybe there is something that redirect the mouse-click

[10:35:21]

juski:

still, it's a shame the stupid people who waste money on them are gonna be reimbursed

[10:35:31]

juski:

you lazy, LAZY people!

[10:35:39]

Dagmar:

juski: Well, ther'es stupid, and then there's "never had a chance to win at all"

[10:35:45]

Dagmar:

...which was apparently the problem.

[10:36:07]

Dagmar:

The people handling the telephone end of things were basically declaring winners and then still taking calls for a long time

[10:36:54]

juski:

Dagmar: not unusual by any means. when i did a work placement at a radio station I had to pick a caller in the '1000th correct caller for Â£10,000' competition.

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juski:

the brief was.. "get somebody who'll sound exciting"

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Dagmar:

juski: Still illegal

[10:37:57]

juski:

a tall order when you only speak to somebody for 10 secs.. and the difference then was that they didn't have a premium rate phone number

[10:38:37]

juski:

next thing you know, we'll hear that TV shows aren't even real and that most game shows are rigged by production staff somehow

[10:38:38]

Dagmar:

See, the phone system should have been able to automate fairness of the whole thing, but instead it only facilitated them taking about twice the number of calls they were supposed to

[10:39:23]

juski:

cynical? MOI? ;)

[10:41:44]

murray:

hi. newbie q: got everything setup, scheduled, and recordings are happening (I see the mpg files on disk, and in system status/autoexpire-list), They show up in "Previously recorded", but they don't show up in "watch recordings" or "delete recordings"

[10:42:44]

Dagmar:

murray: Change the filters

[10:43:13]

murray:

The Watch Recordings is set to "All Programmes" in the top left

[10:43:23]

murray:

Where do I find filters?

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Dagmar:

Hit menu or info

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

[10:43:57]

Dagmar:

OMG NO NOT THE FAQ!

[10:44:02]

murray:

thank you

[10:46:03]

quicksilver:

I always forget. Whats the best simple to program to check my DVB reception is working?

[10:46:14]

quicksilver:

xawtv is analog only, right?

[10:46:57]

murray:

tzap -r "BBC ONE Scot"

[10:47:02]

murray:

?

[10:47:18]

quicksilver:

ah, dvbstream

[10:47:19]

quicksilver:

thanks :)

[10:47:24]

quicksilver:

tzap works, definitely

[10:48:19]

murray:

Dagmar : I must be missing something – I see no Menu/Info widget to hit

[10:48:37]

Dagmar:

Look carefully at your remote control.

[10:48:44]

Dagmar:

Or maybe load a different theme on your remote

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murray:

no remote control (yet) still setting it up

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murray:

mouse and keyboard

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Dagmar:

Oh well.

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juski:

well, I think it's time to wipe the mythtv packages orf & install from source

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Dagmar:

Use bleach

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[11:02:01]

juski:

weird. when I try to type | in the vnc session I get `

[11:02:09]

juski:

morning stuarta

[11:02:37]

stuarta:

morning juski, that weirdness is a keyboard mapping difference

[11:02:53]

stuarta:

like if you have a uk keyboard on a us layout.

[11:03:13]

juski:

it's ok on the host machine

[11:03:39]

stuarta:

try ~

[11:04:11]

juski:

comes out as ~

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stuarta:

oh nice :/

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quicksilver:

funny juski is wiping packages, I'm just trying packages for the first time having always compiled from source...

[11:05:23]

juski:

I'll still to ssh for my terminal activities I think

[11:05:40]

juski:

quicksilver: I'm sticking to compiling from source for my production backend. hell yesh

[11:05:52]

stuarta:

i only ever use source... but then again i do development :)

[11:05:56]

juski:

this is by dustbin I was trying Feisty packages on earlier

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juski:

right. no longer any packages installed, no more libmyth*, no more myth*

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quicksilver:

juski: being suitably frustrating by having trashed my machine I was looking to get it running again as fast as possible, so I thought I'd try packages

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quicksilver:

if my decision turns out to be ill-informed I will see the irony :)

[11:11:23]

juski:

I was just trying to see how bad you could screw up a mythtv install by not reading any docs & ignoring helpful popup messages

[11:11:44]

Dagmar:

Hell, man.

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Dagmar:

Sit back and open a soda

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juski:

seems you can get a working install by just using synaptic but paying attention to the popups

[11:12:07]

stuarta:

i found the fastest way for me is install debian, add debian-multimedia repo, install builddeps for mythtv, check it out and build it....

[11:12:28]

juski:

so any user who comes in here with badly broken mythtv on feisty.. it's their _own_ fault

[11:12:41]

stuarta:

the packages crap again?

[11:12:42]

murray:

aptitude install mythtv mythtv-themes was pretty much all O

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murray:

.. I needed

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murray:

on feisty

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juski:

stuarta: not so much. I installed feisty, then just used synaptic to install 'mythtv'. decided to not read the popup messages & dismissed em..

[11:14:34]

juski:

mythtv-setup didn't work cos the metapackage told me what the mysql password was and because I ignored it (the default in the database setup stage of mythtv-setup was 'mythtv') – hence bad failure ;)

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quicksilver:

jesus, apt-get install xmltv pulls in a few pacakges :P

[11:15:15]

juski:

it might help if the metapackage created ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt as well as /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt though.. big style

[11:15:25]

quicksilver:

juski: debian's packages appear to get the password thing working OK

[11:16:02]

juski:

quicksilver: my point is, if I'd followed the onscreen messages & took notice (which I deliberately didn't do cos i was being 'a' user) it would've been fine from the off

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quicksilver:

:)

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juski:

armed with this information I have ammo now :D

[11:17:49]

juski:

if a user is stupid enough to ignore all the help the package tool is giving them, they don't deserve any help at all IMHO

[11:18:26]

quicksilver:

no I have to remember how to configure xmltv, alas

[11:18:45]

quicksilver:

if BBC1 London & SE is what I want, then what is plain 'BBC1' ?

[11:19:11]

juski:

south-east.bbc1.bbc.co.uk or summink

[11:19:45]

juski:

I AM gonna ressurect that UK wizard thing I started work on, at some point

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juski:

it'll ask you fer yer postcode.. then it'll configure the terrestrial channels' xmltvids for ya

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quicksilver:

weird, it got bored of asking me questions around the 'Ds' and assumed no to everything else

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quicksilver:

juski: yeah, that would be very handy :)

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stuarta:

juski: we should work out how to integrate that into the other stuff...

[11:21:30]

juski:

the big plan is to have it for all UK TV providers.. you tell it what package you have...

[11:21:52]

Dagmar:

This way it can customize the screwups just for you

[11:21:54]

juski:

I just hope my postcode lookup xml file didn't get lost. that was a hell of a lot of work

[11:22:19]

juski:

nothing I can't recreate

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juski:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv

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juski:

oops

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stuarta:

i might see what i can do about putting juski's radio export script into contrib...

[11:24:30]

juski:

working like a trooper here, exporting 'book of the week' every day, among others

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stuarta:

unchanged from what you put in the ticket?

[11:25:15]

juski:

I think so

[11:26:10]

stuarta:

dammit, just blew to button on my shorts... too many bacon butties methinks...

[11:26:16]

stuarta:

s/to/the

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juski:

balance your keyboard on the treadmill & start it up ;)

[11:27:51]

juski:

belly jelly is a bitch to shift once it's there. been trying to lose mine for ages. looks like it's gonna have to call for some _serious_ work

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** stuarta is not happy... **

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juski:

before I was 25, ate, drank, did no exercise to speak of.. skinny as a lat. then hit 25.. kaboom!

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Dagmar:

Then you started putting bombs in subways?

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juski:

haha

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visit0r:

:)

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juski:

stuarta: seems I've added stuff to the script

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juski:

(!)

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stuarta:

can you upload the updated one please?

[11:31:27]

murray:

is it possible that the commercial flagging job is starting, but not finishing for some reason, and that is why my new recordings aren't showing up in "watch recordings" list?

[11:31:40]

murray:

the /var/log/mythtv/...log shows it starting

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juski:

stuarta: doing so now

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murray:

then nada much

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Ribs:

murray: nah, that's seperate

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Ribs:

even if commerical flagging buggers up, recordings should still be there

[11:32:35]

juski:

murray: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

[11:32:45]

murray:

juski : yeah, read it

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stuarta:

murray: try pressing 'm' in watch recordings.

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murray:

I'm not using a remote tho, so the "menu" thing is kinda lost on me

[11:33:07]

stuarta:

me either

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juski:

press M for m m m m m m m m m m menu!

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murray:

ahh. bing

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murray:

would anyone object if I updated the wiki with that cunning keyboard fact?

[11:34:25]

juski:

cunning? is your middle name 'Baldrik' by any chance? ;)

[11:34:29]

quicksilver:

Hmm. This is working, but not well.

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tank-man:

murray, all the keyboard keys are in the file "keys.txt"

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stuarta:

murray: that's what wiki's are for :)

[11:35:10]

murray:

no, just a disciple of the cunning plan

[11:35:21]

juski:

lemme see what deps are missing here then

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quicksilver:

It's using Xv, and badly.

[11:36:55]

quicksilver:

Previously I had it running without even trying xv; where do I change that?

[11:37:31]

murray:

bingo. thanks ...

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Milosch:

Dial M for Menu

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Milosch:

call the operator and have her patch me into channel 11, oops all circuits are busy

[11:43:37]

stuarta:

hmm, something needs updating...

[11:43:59]

Dagmar:

Stab wounds need refreshing

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stuarta:

clearly RecordFilePrefix isn't used anymore

[11:44:12]

quicksilver:

Is Xv the same thing as XvMC?

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Dagmar:

nope

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quicksilver:

I know I don't have hardware assisted output of any sort, but I used to be able to play back at 800x600 without problems

[11:45:18]

quicksilver:

maybe it's just because my raid array is reconstructing and that's holding the machine down

[11:45:28]

Milosch:

man, what kind of card are you running?

[11:45:41]

quicksilver:

input or output?

[11:45:59]

Milosch:

output...

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quicksilver:

ATI Radeon

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Milosch:

i hope it's not a laptop

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quicksilver:

no :) it's a 9200 with TV-Out

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quicksilver:

I don't quite understand which driver it's using, though, because I used to need a special driver patch to do TV-Out with it

[11:47:22]

Milosch:

personally, i'd grab an nvidia for $40–60 US

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quicksilver:

but with this new install it just worked out of the box, rather to my surprise

[11:48:04]

Milosch:

fscking interrupt sharing is killing me here

[11:48:17]

Milosch:

ever since I added another sata drive, it shares with the audio device

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quicksilver:

Milosch: I know it works fine, though, because I've been using the machine for a year or more

[11:48:30]

quicksilver:

Milosch: it's just I broke the disks and had to install from scratch

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juski:

I'm really gonna have to re-learn vi

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Milosch:

with the right .vimrc it's very useful

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Milosch:

anyway, i get the occasional lockup now, 1/2 second audio loop and all

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Milosch:

tried noapic and nolapic, now back to basic interrupts and it still shares, hasn't locked up yet since then, but I suppose it will

[11:51:48]

juski:

fun. sounds like you need to install decent video drivers

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** stuarta hacks juski's script to add storage group support... **

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stuarta:

resident evil 2 is a crap film

[11:52:26]

Milosch:

actually hda_intel is now sharing with eth0, so maybe that will work

[11:52:28]

juski:

haha I forgot all about storage groups & how they're gonna turn my world flipside upside down

[11:52:55]

juski:

hopefully for the better...

[11:52:59]

quicksilver:

oh wow, that's why it's working

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stuarta:

now i just need to workout if it's easy to keep the script backward compatible...

[11:53:07]

quicksilver:

it's using the generic vesa driver

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Dagmar:

right round baby

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Milosch:

it just seems unfortunate that with apic and however many interrupts, there is still sharing

[11:53:25]

quicksilver:

Seems that the generic vesa driver can driver tv output :)

[11:53:26]

juski:

stuarta: have 2 scripts til 0.21 is released?

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stuarta:

no, should be able to trap errors from DBI

[11:53:50]

juski:

heheh cooly

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Milosch:

quicksilver: isn't there some accelerated driver for that card?

[11:54:08]

juski:

I've started re-hacking my wizard thing

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stuarta:

wonder if i can pull the hostname from hostname....

[11:54:24]

quicksilver:

Milosch: yes, there is, but the one that comes with Xorg doesn't do tv output

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quicksilver:

Milosch: so I have to build a patched one

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juski:

or rather, recreate it from scratch since I can't find the HDD with it on

[11:54:34]

Milosch:

if not, consider that your time is probably worth the money you will spend on a nice nvidia card

[11:54:38]

quicksilver:

Milosch: I was a bit confused that it was working at all :)

[11:55:04]

quicksilver:

I wonder if vesa can ever run fast enough to display TV... it nearly does

[11:55:14]

Milosch:

maybe slow scan tv ;)

[11:55:25]

Milosch:

animated gifs and whatnot

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Dagmar:

VESA can do NTSC

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Milosch:

i guess the real issue is the cpu required to run that without using the card to offload

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gardengnome:

the standard or the driver?

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Dagmar:

Both

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stuarta:

ahahah. i just need to check the DB schema version, that'll tell me if we are using storage groups or not...

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juski:

if $DBSCHEMVER < 12044 mke2fs /dev/hda1

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stuarta:

haha

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hugolp:

harzi are you still arround?

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juski:

you know, I could just make this work in perl then port it to php & serve it from a website

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stuarta:

juski: i think it would be best if we made your stuff work with the new services.mythtv.org

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juski:

plan :)

[12:07:39]

juski:

forgot about them

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stuarta:

:)

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juski:

the one thing I was never sure of, like I'm not now.. is exactly how to package the data. initially I used a quasi-xml format but obviously I'd like to use something more definite

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quicksilver:

Nop,e this machine isn't fast enough for playing DVBs via VESA

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quicksilver:

not even when it's idle :)

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** quicksilver goes back to patching drivers **

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juski:

at the moment I'm going for this kind of form for the data: http://www.pastebin.ca/462604

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juski:

I don't spose it matters that much since it's human readable & the software is what's gonna do all the looking up

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juski:

so long as XML::Simple can parse it

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stuarta:

juski: have you chatted to xris about it? he may have suggestions that'll allow it to integrate with services.mythtv.org properly

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juski:

stuarta: yeah we talked about it but then it was early days for services.mythtv.org

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gpd:

can I get away with 54Mbps wireless from backend to frontend?

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stuarta:

gpd: not really

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gpd:

ok – wired it is then – thanks

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stuarta:

if you have the stuff, try it and see

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voltagex_:

getting "unable to connect to master backend"

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gpd:

no – i am looking at my options for purchasing atm

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voltagex_:

frontend and backend are on the same machine

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juski:

right now I'm just a little concerned that I'll take stick for not using 'proper' markups

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voltagex_:

password is correct

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voltagex_:

host (localhost) should be correct

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tripppy:

ive just done a fresh install of ubuntu 7.04 and my tv tuner can't be opend. yet in device manager its found as a bt878 device.

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** gpd checks prices of gigabit hubs/switches **

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juski:

dunno if <region name="foobar"> is better than <region><name>foobar</name>

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Dagmar:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . enkiller.jpg

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juski:

voltagex_: can you access the database from a command line, with mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg ?

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gpd:

stuarta: I presume 100 wired is fine and gigabit is overkill – but prices are not too bad

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voltagex_:

juski: yes

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stuarta:

gpd: yes 100Mb is fine.

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voltagex_:

juski: but I just used -u mythtv -p, then issued use mythconverg

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juski:

voltagex_: and the contents of ~/.mythtv/mysq;.txt are correct ?

[12:19:38]

juski:

mysql.txt even ?

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voltagex_:

juski: yes

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juski:

and the backend is running?

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voltagex_:

oh, and setting hostname to the IP of the machine causes the frontend to crash

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juski:

ps -aux |grep mythbackend

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voltagex_:

root 4868 0.0 0.0 2864 800 ? Ss 21:11 0:00 /usr/bin/system-tools-backends

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juski:

voltagex_: so start the backend running, then the frontend should be able to connect to it

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quicksilver:

woo!

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voltagex_:

juski: what command to start the backend?

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quicksilver:

driver compiled, TV now looking smooth

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juski:

voltagex_: depends. if you're on ubuntu say, you'd use sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start – like it says in the documentation! and in the helpful popup messages the packager gives you as you install it

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juski:

that's if you use ubuntu

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voltagex_:

err the popup messages did not tell me that

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voltagex_:

lol

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voltagex_:

I must have hit ok too quickly

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juski:

fiesty ones do

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juski:

oh well.

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voltagex_:

yes, 7.04 is the first distro to support my TV card :D

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voltagex_:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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juski:

you ignored the popup messages

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juski:

can't help you

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quicksilver:

juski: I didn't get myth's autoscan to work very well, so I tried the new 'use a channels.conf' option in setup

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quicksilver:

juski: however, that puts them in with new channel ids which don't tie up with the ones from tv_grab_uk_tr

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quicksilver:

or is there something I'm misunderstanding?

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juski:

quicksilver: scanning worked fine here 2 hours ago

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quicksilver:

juski: yeah, I h ave a really poor aerial

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juski:

as far as I know it's been a long time since scanning was broken for Uk peeps.. something we all owe stuarta beers for

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voltagex_:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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quicksilver:

juski: and the command-line 'scan' tool seems a bit more robust than the built in myth scanner

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voltagex_:

even after everything's set

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quicksilver:

however, I shall try the autoscan again

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juski:

and to be brutally frank with you, if you ignored the popup messages you're asking for trouble..

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tripppy:

voltagex_, what card?

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voltagex_:

voltagex_: umm, the password is correct

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quicksilver:

juski: hmm it's working now. very odd. Maybe a cloud went over :P

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** quicksilver really should get a better antenna **

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juski:

voltagex_: ok so do yourself a favour & post some more information rather than just vague spurts of "No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP".. let's see all the text in a pastebin

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juski:

error messages are best viewed in their original context

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voltagex_:

juski: no more spurts, got into setup

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voltagex_:

juski: what do I do if there's no setting for my area

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voltagex_:

for the channel table

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juski:

depends where you think your area is

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voltagex_:

australia, but it needs to be -bcast

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juski:

I'd have thought there was an aus option there clear as day

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quicksilver:

juski: what is the best way to delete all the bogus channels from when I did it the wrong way?

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voltagex_:

juski: there is, but below that it says if you have an antenna choose a -bcast option

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juski:

just hit 'd' in the channel editor, or you can delete groups by their video source

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juski:

voltagex_: if available, choose a -bcast option

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voltagex_:

oh

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voltagex_:

ok

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juski:

wow.. don't think I've ever seen somebody take instructions quite so literally, but hey ho ;)

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voltagex_:

:S I apologise

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juski:

there's a patch for someone to eke out :)

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voltagex_:

juski: I'm gonna have to write a parser for the Australian frequency site

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juski:

hey no you read the text which wasn't 100% clear

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quicksilver:

juski: ah, thanks. I'll delete them all and then try again.

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quicksilver:

juski: after a fresh scan, mythfilldatabase should 'find' the right ones, correct?

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voltagex_:

damn, failed to open the card

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quicksilver:

hopes radiotimes don't get too pissed off with my fourth filldatabase of the day :)

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juski:

voltagex_: you tested the card in linux before trying this right?

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voltagex_:

juski: yes, works with kaffeine-xine but not in TVTime

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juski:

quicksilver: mixing scanning with xmltv is tricky

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voltagex_:

aha, got it, one of the options for the input source wasn't selected

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quicksilver:

juski: which order should I perform the tasks in to get it right?

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voltagex_:

crap, it's scanning the wrong frequency range...might work in metro areas but not where I am :D

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juski:

quicksilver: well I can tell you for free that when you run mythfilldatabase you'll get some more _blank_ channels added to the database, with only their names & xmltvids

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juski:

voltagex_: it does a complete scan

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voltagex_:

juski: oh dear, even worse

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voltagex_:

juski: I pick up signals from 3 towers, only 1 is watchable

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juski:

voltagex_: so deal with that when you get to it

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juski:

you can easily delete duff channels later

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** voltagex_ hides **

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juski:

quicksilver: why do you even think I've been toying with this wizard idea for ages? ;)

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voltagex_:

whoa...

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voltagex_:

ahh!

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quicksilver:

juski: *nod*

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voltagex_:

help, 401 unauthorised on grabbing the TV listings

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quicksilver:

juski: Ok, well I have a working set of channels, now. But I have obsolete listings which were entered by mythfilldb I ran 10 minutes when it was all screwed up

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quicksilver:

i.e. my listings all refer to non-existant channels

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voltagex_:

or more precisely, 401 unauthorised when mythfilldb uses wget to grab XMLTV

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juski:

quicksilver: have a read of the tv_grab_uk_rt page on the wiki ;)

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voltagex_:

ok, now how do I turn the volume up in mythfrontend

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voltagex_:

TV working nicely, deinterlacing looks like shit

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juski:

]

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juski:

voltagex_: take a few minutes out & read the 'daily usage' section in the mythtv wiki

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Dagmar:

Press VOL+

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voltagex_:

ok

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quicksilver:

juski: reading. The manual xmltvid copying part is still needed? I thought that bit had been fixed.

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juski:

quicksilver: I dunno. assume it hasn't, then at least you'll check ;)

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murray:

fesity on mac mini: remote control operates the volume, so it seems to be configured/running, but it doesn't appear to be via lirc as /etc/lirc/* are all blank. Anyone know a pointer for some docs I can use to get this fully working ... google isn't turning up anything of much merit

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quicksilver:

juski: hmm, looks like this step is still needed

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voltagex_:

:( my TV card sucks

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voltagex_:

enabling teletext subtitles causes lag/skip

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juski:

voltagex_: have you installed proper drivers for your VGA card hmm?

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voltagex_:

juski: NVidia drivers for Geforce 6600GT

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stuarta:

hmm, might use the MythTV perl bindings. that would help :)

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juski:

stuarta: for the dvb radio script? depends how much of them are in 0.20-fixes I spose

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stuarta:

mainly for ease of use with the storage groups.

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stuarta:

any reason you didn't use recorded.basename when looking for the file?

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juski:

stuarta: didn't know about it at the time, probably

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stuarta:

:)

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voltagex_:

juski: skipping appears to happen just as the subtitle is received

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quicksilver:

juski: yay, manual fixups worked

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gbee:

hmm, just reading back over the past few minutes has given me an idea

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quicksilver:

delete from program where chanid not in (select chanid from channel); Query OK, 12500 rows affected (0.78 sec)

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quicksilver:

woo for deleting crap :)

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gbee:

if the new icon stuff references xmltvids against DVB network/transport/service ids, then it could be used to automatically populate xmltvids for DVB after scanning

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juski:

hahahah way to wipe out the last 90 minutes' worth of my typing, gbee!

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juski:

actually there's still gonna be a need to have a $vidsrcname.xmltv file in ~/.mythtv

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juski:

brb

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gbee:

juski: haven't read everything, just glanced over things to see what was being discussed

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gbee:

juski: haven't read everything, just glanced over things to see what was being discussed

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gbee:

I take it you've been writing something to do the same thing? Or something?

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juski:

I've been talking about doing it off & on for yonks. user enters a postcode & some basic TV provider info, then the magic happens & xmltv gets configured automagically :)

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juski:

_UK_ users only I might add

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juski:

not only xmltv, but channel numbers & possibly icons too

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juski:

it's high time we had the ease of setup zap2it users have long been used to

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quicksilver:

I note that there is actually enough information in tv_grab_uk_rt --list-channels to do better than we do at the moment

[13:11:18]

juski:

and the way I plan to do it, it should be possible to do it for other countries too

[13:11:23]

quicksilver:

there isn't a perfect mapping between <displayname> and callsign, but...

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quicksilver:

it's quite a good mapping for common channels

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juski:

my way is gonna be much better

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juski:

so there! :-P

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quicksilver:

true :)

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quicksilver:

I was suggesting a lazier way not a better one :)

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juski:

esp. for cable/satellite users

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juski:

MCE is dead easy for that. you tell it your lineup & it does the rest allegedly

[13:12:34]

juski:

aaand.. brainwave!

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juski:

it could even be tied in for the user to select what kind of STB they have & configure the lirc zapper stuff too!

[13:13:36]

juski:

I mean we can, so why not? ;)

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juski:

hmm I remember this problem.. is 'Oxford' BBC south east or just BBC South ?

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quicksilver:

juski: I dunno but I have asked some friends I know who live out thataway

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juski:

cambridge is the other one I need

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quicksilver:

I wonder if lirc support for my remote is in the stock kernel yet

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juski:

aha! it's 'south' :)

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juski:

ah shit I just remembered something

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quicksilver:

hmm doesn't look like any lirc support is in the default kernel

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quicksilver:

maybe I should use a different remote, then

[13:27:00]

quicksilver:

each of my video cards came with a remote

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quicksilver:

I guess they are radio based, since you can't have line of sight to a PCI card?

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juski:

no IR receiver withhem?

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quicksilver:

I don't remember one

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quicksilver:

it's not impossible there is, and I left them in the box

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quicksilver:

:)

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quicksilver:

input: saa7134 IR (Compro Videomate DV as /class/input/input1

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quicksilver:

I wonder what that is...

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juski:

they usually have a 3.5mm socket on the pci backplate for the remote

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quicksilver:

ah, and you have to plug a little receive dongle in?

[13:31:23]

quicksilver:

I'm quite attracted to the idea of using them because I wouldn't need to compile the lirc modules

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quicksilver:

which is such a pain because they don't compile properly as modules, but need kernel source present

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Tommck:

I have been doing some reading and wanted to verify that I understand correctly... So, in order to do what the old nuvexport MPEG2->MPEG2 cutlist option did, I have to add the cut list to the program. Then, I need to "transcode" with the same output format. Is this correct?

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Tommck:

wow.. the room goes completely silent once I ask my question :)

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quicksilver:

:)

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quicksilver:

I don't know the answer but I think what you said is correct

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Tommck:

yeah.. seems right... now I'm readin up on which settings it will use when you tell it "begin transcode" :)

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gbee:

in the Recording Profiles -> Transcoding -> Select lossless on the first screen, now edit (importing the flagging cutlist if necessary) and then select Job Options -> 'Begin Transcoding'

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Tommck:

gbee – there are 5 transcoders listed... which one will it use?

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gbee:

I've never really known the answer there, but if you only ever want to do one type of transcoding e.g. lossless, then select the same on all of them

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Tommck:

:)

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Tommck:

I'll give it a shot... I've backed up the file anyway

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gbee:

I suspect it will default to using the 'Autodetect from Mpeg2'

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Tommck:

that's what I was hoping, but I also don't see where you'd ever be able to change it... maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet

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gbee:

I do lossless transcoding of mpeg2 all the time to remove adverts, works fine but like I say I'm not exactly sure what profile it picks by default, so I just used the same setting on them all ;)

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Tommck:

cool

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Tommck:

oh.. duh.. it gives a menu when you start transcoding manually :)

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gbee:

hmm, I've transcoded 3/4 things a week for over a year, how did I not remember that?

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Tommck:

:)

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Tommck:

of course, it also inexplicably queues the job for the future...

[13:55:30]

Tommck:

I'm trying to figure out why it added about 40 minutes to the current time

[13:56:07]

Tommck:

or it's not using the right time zone on the UI :)

[13:56:37]

Tommck:

yeah... it isn't... both the front-end and back-end show the same time, but the job queue shows the job started in the future :)

[13:56:41]

Tommck:

yet it's running :)

[13:57:05]

Tommck:

actually.. no, I'm retarded

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a5benwillis:

I hate EIT

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gbee:

It queues all jobs, but depending on the job queue settings it either starts within a minute or so, or some window in the future

[13:57:22]

Tommck:

and now, I'll expose that retardation to the world....

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stuarta:

a5benwillis: what's up with EIT? i love it

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Tommck:

it's displaying the original recording time, not the time the job is queued

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a5benwillis:

I cant get it to work. Nothing

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stuarta:

how did you setup your channels

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a5benwillis:

trying direct data again. futile I know

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gbee:

I like the concept of EIT, the reality can be disappointing

[13:58:08]

a5benwillis:

scanned them all

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a5benwillis:

I may be missing an EIT patch or something, I dunno.

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a5benwillis:

I set my video sources to EIT only, then set my inputs to use long term EIT data.

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stuarta:

what are you trying to get data from? cable or sat or ???

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a5benwillis:

sat

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adante:

hj

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a5benwillis:

I see the "now looking for eit data mesage" then I get "Wrong PMT" errors and nothing else

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a5benwillis:

Looking for EIT on chan 148

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stuarta:

hmmm....

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stuarta:

how long did you let it run for?

[14:05:27]

a5benwillis:

all night

[14:08:34]

stuarta:

it's not dishnet is it?

[14:09:32]

stuarta:

damn these perl modules need some documentation

[14:10:41]

gbee:

is there definately EIT data available? having you tried using dvdsnoop -nph -n 1 0x11?

[14:10:49]

gbee:

only I've got the pid wrong

[14:11:18]

gbee:

think it might be 12

[14:11:22]

a5benwillis:

yes, its Dish

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stuarta:

yes it's 12

[14:11:27]

a5benwillis:

yes EIT's availible

[14:11:43]

stuarta:

IIRC dishnet support went in after 0.20

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a5benwillis:

I'm running SVN 2.0 Trunk

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stuarta:

it broadcasts EIT data on non-standard pids.

[14:12:23]

stuarta:

there is no such version

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stuarta:

0.20-fixes???

[14:12:41]

gbee:

mythbackend --version

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gbee:

(even though that version string is pretty useless)

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a5benwillis:

http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv

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a5benwillis:

sorry, its fixes

[14:14:01]

stuarta:

okay, so that's pre dishnet eit support

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stuarta:

did you build it yourself?

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a5benwillis:

yes

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stuarta:

then i'd suggest trying head, that'll give you eit data.

[14:15:20]

GreyFoxx:

actually I first put the dishnet eit stuff in before 0.20

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stuarta:

did you.

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GreyFoxx:

but your rewrite might have removed it until you readded it

[14:16:00]

GreyFoxx:

that was so long ago I don't remember :)

[14:16:16]

quicksilver:

Anyone know anything about getting lirc working with an analog squidgy 'joystick button' in the middle of my remote?

[14:16:22]

stuarta:

didn't remove anything. but didn't dishnet move their data broadcast pid?

[14:16:38]

stuarta:

or something like that that stopped eit from working...

[14:16:41]

GreyFoxx:

they use bot 0x12 and 0x300

[14:16:50]

GreyFoxx:

0x300 was the longterm stuff

[14:16:54]

GreyFoxx:

they might have

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GreyFoxx:

I only briefly used it myself

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a5benwillis:

I read online about the changes Dish made and some patches but nothing sounded absolute.

[14:18:21]

a5benwillis:

One fix was to set HasAnyEIT to anything but 0

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a5benwillis:

Another fix was to set all chans useonairguide to 0 except for the chans on the correct transponder

[14:19:07]

quicksilver:

This is very odd, actually

[14:19:19]

quicksilver:

according to my own notes, I used to use a downloaded lircd.conf file

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stuarta:

a5benwillis: setting useonairguide to 0 will stop EIT from working

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a5benwillis:

All of this discussion happened in the last month

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quicksilver:

but now I'm seeing completely different codes from mode2

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a5benwillis:

well lets see how bad DirectData messed things up

[14:21:35]

juski:

quicksilver: how does irw go? mode2 is more a 'just spurt some barf output'

[14:22:39]

a5benwillis:

well, I have a few chans with data in the guide but not many.

[14:22:45]

quicksilver:

juski: irw is stubbornly silent using the config file which, according to my notes, I used to use

[14:23:02]

quicksilver:

juski: using irrecord I can make my own config file, but the numbers com eout looking quite different

[14:23:26]

quicksilver:

juski: I wonder if this remote has two 'modes' (like some can be switch from 'DVD' to 'TV' or similar) and I've somehow switched it

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a5benwillis:

New question. Is there a way to make Myth remember that I want to view in 16:9 mode so that I dont have to change it everytime?

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juski:

a5benwillis: utils.setup > setup > tv settings > playback

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juski:

or it might even be in the appearance menu – can't remember clearly

[14:26:52]

juski:

hey I'll just fire up my FE & check

[14:27:23]

juski:

yeah utils.setup > setup > tv settings > playback .. 'aspect override'

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a5benwillis:

juski: Thanks! DOnt know how I missed that lol

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** juski is finding all this data entry quite relaxing **

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quicksilver:

yup it's very odd

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quicksilver:

I'm sure I've made my remote 'switch mode' somehow

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quicksilver:

Oh well, I can reprogram it sometime

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juski:

is there an editor that can auto indent xml files?

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Tommck_:

juski – emacs?

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juski:

why did I dread somebody saying that?

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Tommck_:

hehe :)

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juski:

ok then

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juski:

is there a nice, easy to use editor that can auto indent xml files?

[14:44:22]

Tommck_:

I just don't know much about linux editors besides emacs and vi

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juski:

I'll find one later, nm :) but thanks

[14:44:40]

Tommck_:

:)

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juski:

god like if I start using emacs that'll be it – my fate will be sealed.

[14:45:24]

juski:

that said I can't call myself much of a coder if I still use nano!

[14:45:25]

Tommck_:

hehe... behold the power of Ctrl and Esc/Meta!!

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voltagex:

err, where is the playback menu in frontend??!

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gbee:

juski: kate can do it, although I think it depends on the open/close tags of each element being on a new line

[14:46:24]

voltagex:

i.e. I want to watch live TV on another machine on my lan

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Tommck_:

when transcoding shows, I should be selecting an audio sampling rate for my output device, right? In my case, I use S/PDIF... I think it's 48000..... make sense?

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Tommck_:

voltagex – "Watch TV" ?

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gbee:

it's the 'Align' option in the Tools menu, should you want to try it

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juski:

gbee: cheers :)

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juski:

I'm tagging & aligning as I go right now

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voltagex:

Tommck_: I get "All tuners in use"

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Tommck_:

voltagex – maybe it's true?

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juski:

gbee: http://www.pastebin.ca/462739

[14:50:31]

voltagex:

Tommck_: yes, they're in use on the backend server! I want to watch what they're currently decoding!

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Tommck_:

voltagex – then you're not watching live TV... go to the recordsings and watch there

[14:50:54]

Tommck_:

recordings*

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voltagex:

Tommck_: nothing there

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Tommck_:

no recordings are listed?

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voltagex:

no

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juski:

voltagex: change the viewing filter in 'watch recordings' to show livetv recordings

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Tommck_:

then they're not in use

[14:52:11]

Tommck_:

voltagex – are you saying that someone else is watching LiveTV on the backend (is it a front end too?)?

[14:52:38]

voltagex:

Tommck_: yes, the machine with the DVB card also has a very large screen!

[14:53:12]

Tommck_:

voltagex – ahh.. and someone else is using it to watch live TV right now?

[14:53:18]

Tommck_:

if so, do what juski said

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voltagex:

there is no button for live tv.

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Tommck_:

I am confused... I just changed my trancoder called "High Quality" to be called "High Quality – MPEG4"... I changed it to use the MPEG-4 Codec and when I go to trancode, I see "High Quality" and not "High Quality – MPEG4"... where's it getting that title?

[14:57:10]

Tommck_:

voltagex – it's a setup option to show Live TV in your recordings

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GreyFoxx:

Or just change the filter instead of a permanent change

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Tommck_:

GreyFoxx – good point

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voltagex:

so to make the change permanent what do I do?

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Tommck_:

voltagex – did you check to see if it was there?

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GreyFoxx:

then you need to change it in the setup menus to display livetv by default

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voltagex:

yeah just found it

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voltagex:

think it's the 4th or 5th page

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Tommck_:

so you can see the LiveTV stuff and watch it now?

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hound:

Transcoding HD takes forever! Does anybody find it worthwhile?

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gbee:

not sure how well it really works yet

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Tommck_:

hound – nope... nobody ever... they just maintain that for the hell of it </sarcasm>

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juski:

woo mythtv-setup now has 6 main menu items :)

[15:02:31]

Tommck_:

juski – what's new in it?

[15:02:38]

stuarta:

yup, storage groups

[15:02:50]

BSD_Tech:

ok the myth newsreader keeps crashing

[15:02:59]

Fred_Nerk:

hi everybody!

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voltagex:

personally I think Watch TV should default to streaming Live TV from the backend!

[15:03:13]

GreyFoxx:

it does

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GreyFoxx:

that's all that it does

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Tommck_:

voltagex – it does, if someone else isn't already using the card

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gardengnome:

juski: what's the sixth one?

[15:03:46]

GreyFoxx:

Storage groups

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voltagex:

Tommck_: but it should still be able to display what people are currently watching, rather than just erroring out

[15:03:50]

juski:

it can't stream to multiple frontends at the same time in livetv mode.. I mean what if it did & somebody at another frontend changed channel?

[15:04:00]

juski:

voltagex: oh goody. can't wait to see your patches

[15:04:05]

Tommck_:

voltagex – I think I agree with you

[15:04:05]

a5benwillis:

Guys, how can I stop my screen from going black after a while? I have the screensaver off already.

[15:04:18]

juski:

a5benwillis: set DPMS to off in xorg.conf

[15:04:19]

GreyFoxx:

voltagex: To do that you go to recordings, but I believe in SVN if the inputs are in use it will prompt to see if you want to watch an inprogress recording/livetv

[15:04:36]

stuarta:

juski: just about finished with the script rewrite.

[15:04:45]

voltagex:

OK, so I'm not asking for something that's insane

[15:04:47]

stuarta:

i'll send it back for you to test against 0.20

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hound:

seems in my situation if I record more then 2 hd shows a day it sets up a backlog so that they get deleted long before my PC would catch up transcoding.

[15:05:11]

voltagex:

now all I need is a way to sync it back to live TV

[15:05:18]

a5benwillis:

juski: Under monitor?

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Tommck_:

hound – what kind of processor?

[15:05:34]

voltagex:

aha, pagedown

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GreyFoxx:

Vol What do you mean?

[15:05:44]

GreyFoxx:

oh, move through the show

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gardengnome:

Fred_Nerk: start it like "mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt".

[15:07:27]

gbee:

BSD_Tech: there is a known segfault if the URL is incorrect, but if that's not the case then please get a backtrace and submit it to trac

[15:08:04]

Fred_Nerk:

gardengnome: I already had an output line "2007-04–29 01:07:25.106 Using the Qt painter", but tried anyway.. same result

[15:08:09]

BSD_Tech:

ok I will trace it here in a few min

[15:08:42]

gardengnome:

Fred_Nerk: dunno then. scaling the theme pictures can take a while. maybe it's hanging somewhere, though. strace might provide some information

[15:09:01]

Tommck_:

so.. can anyone tell my why my new transcoder name doesn't show up in my menu?

[15:09:04]

voltagex:

basically I don't want to be timeshifting

[15:09:22]

Tommck_:

voltagex – it'll be a little time shifted anyway, since it's actually a recording

[15:09:22]

juski:

voltagex: ya boo sucks. so don't use mythtv

[15:09:31]

juski:

we're not gonna have this argument again

[15:09:36]

voltagex:

juski: :P it's working fine!

[15:09:50]

voltagex:

once I found pagedown skipped to the end

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Fred_Nerk:

gardengnome: it appears to be in a very tight select() loop on fds 3 & 10

[15:10:08]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . n_Live_TV.3F

[15:10:23]

voltagex:

I guess 750ms is acceptable when streaming SDTV over wifi!

[15:10:27]

** BSD_Tech sends juski back to bed. dont come out till your in a better mood **

[15:10:39]

juski:

BSD_Tech: fuck off!

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gardengnome:

heh

[15:10:50]

voltagex:

BSD_Tech: wow, you reminded me, it's 1:10am here

[15:11:19]

juski:

and it's "you're" not "your" :-P

[15:12:05]

voltagex:

sdtv over wifi

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voltagex:

who needs IPTV when you have MythTV

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voltagex:

oh, is mythtv streaming the video using RTSP?

[15:13:19]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[15:13:20]

juski:

reminds me I need to write to the BBC to complain about its use of so many low Q clips from what looks like Youtube in its shows

[15:13:25]

GreyFoxx:

It has it's own protocol

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stuarta:

juski: update script added to the ticket. can you see if it works under 0.29

[15:13:37]

stuarta:

0.20 even

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GreyFoxx:

or if you nfs/]samba mount the recordings dir from the backend it will read them from there

[15:13:44]

voltagex:

:( so I can't use VLC to watch liveCD?

[15:13:45]

juski:

stuarta: yeah will do in a bit

[15:13:48]

Fred_Nerk:

gardengnome: actually it looks like mythtv-setup is working just fine, but there are no menu items.. it's getting X mouse & keyboard events

[15:13:52]

stuarta:

thanks

[15:13:57]

voltagex:

liveTV

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voltagex:

it's time for bed

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gardengnome:

Fred_Nerk: i've heard about that problem before, but i don't remember the solution. searching the mailing list would be a good bet indead

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gardengnome:

indeed*

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Fred_Nerk:

ok thanks

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juski:

missing fonts? using opengl rendering? theme dir missing/misplaced?

[15:15:53]

Fred_Nerk:

juski: the word "main" is appearing at the top.. any idea if that's a font or image?

[15:16:06]

juski:

it's an image

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Fred_Nerk:

ooh

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gardengnome:

Fred_Nerk: right, you might have to install the msttcorefonts package

[15:17:05]

Fred_Nerk:

ok

[15:17:38]

juski:

gawd I'm gonna have to do some sed / perl-fu to extract this channel list

[15:18:00]

Fred_Nerk:

already installed.. but ooh! i can navigate around and everything seems to work except the menu items.. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/242828 fyi

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goreguts:

stupid irc client

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hound:

Tommck, AMD Athlon X2 3800

[15:21:00]

Tommck:

hound – hmm... seems like it should be pretty fast then... I have not done any HD transcoding though...

[15:21:28]

Fred_Nerk:

w00t! changing theme fixed my problem...

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hound:

Are DVD's lower quality then HD broadcasts? DVD's rip much much faster then it seems I can transcode an HD broadcast. Maybe i'm doing something wrong

[15:24:53]

Tommck:

hound – yes... by a lot

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Tommck:

hound – DVDs are a LOT smaller

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juski:

thank gawd there are only 2 major TV providers in the UK

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Tommck:

well... unless it's a full 2-layer disk..

[15:26:20]

Tommck:

that'll be about 9GB

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Tommck:

but, are you ripping DVDs to a different format?

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hound:

yea, I pick the excellent quality setting which I'm pertty sure transcodes to mpeg4

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Tommck:

well... a DVD starts with 720x480 resolution... HD is a heck of a lot bigger than that

[15:29:14]

baxter_kylie:

Anyone know if there's a special trick to get mythtv-setup to run inside a vnc session? I'm getting a seg fault whenever I try to run it.

[15:33:09]

goreguts:

anyone know how to make mplayer preserve the aspect ratio?

[15:33:29]

goreguts:

i cant seem to be able to find the command line args on the website

[15:34:35]

baxter_kylie:

goreguts: It does it automatically

[15:34:50]

baxter_kylie:

goreguts: you probably just haven't specified your monitoraspect

[15:35:05]

goreguts:

hmm

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goreguts:

is that in the setup menu?

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juski:

utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback — aspect override

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goreguts:

alright thanks

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goreguts:

join #nvidia

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juski:

you need a slash there fella

[15:39:41]

goreguts:

yea i know

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a5benwillis:

So when I install should I use trunk of fixes? Im planning to reinstall on Monday now that I have my switching working right.

[15:49:15]

juski:

you need to build from source if you wanna use trunk

[15:49:30]

stuarta:

but the EIT is better in trunk

[15:50:28]

a5benwillis:

using SVN is the same as compling from source, right?

[15:51:08]

a5benwillis:

svn is just version control for source if I understand correctly

[15:51:19]

stuarta:

yes it's just a version control system

[15:51:34]

juski:

yeah just the same only instead of untarring a source tarball you check it out from the SVN reposirory

[15:51:51]

stuarta:

compiling from source is required if you use trunk, optional for -fixes

[15:53:25]

voltagex:

is there any way to watch live TV from Myth using VLC?

[15:53:46]

stuarta:

boo hiss. it's raining in Barbados. How are we supposed to win the Cricket World Cup if they can't even play :(

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: Does this sound familier for my EIT issue?

[15:56:08]

a5benwillis:

"Ok, here's a preliminary patch. This creates an SDT-actual from a matching SDT-other for the tuned transponder and saves it to cache."

[15:56:19]

a5benwillis:

This patch was posted on Apr1

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stuarta:

a5benwillis: no that patch will be for the channel scanner

[15:57:03]

a5benwillis:

its patching dvbstreamdata.cpp

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stuarta:

link to the patch?

[15:57:26]

a5benwillis:

This patch is listed in the conversation about Dish EIT being broken

[15:57:36]

a5benwillis:

Its a link to a forum. Let me get it

[15:58:10]

a5benwillis:

http://dvbn.happysat.org/viewtopic.php?t=3959 . . . amp;start=60

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a5benwillis:

next to last post

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stuarta:

i remember that discussion, the forum is for users only. Anyway it's a non myth problem that was happening

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** stuarta doesn't do forums **

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stuarta:

s/users/subscribers

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a5benwillis:

I can pastenbin the patch?

[16:00:06]

stuarta:

sure

[16:00:33]

grndslm:

juski: your neon theme is awesome...just the simplicity I was looking for.. A++

[16:01:13]

a5benwillis:

great, pastebin's hosed. Is there another paste site?

[16:01:33]

stuarta:

pastebin.ca

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juski:

thanks grndslm :)

[16:02:18]

a5benwillis:

http://pastebin.ca/462829

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grndslm:

np...seems a lot quicker to me than the other, overloaded themes

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a5benwillis:

Second patch: http://pastebin.ca/462833

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stuarta:

i've commited the 2nd one to head already

[16:07:08]

a5benwillis:

think applying the first might help?

[16:07:20]

a5benwillis:

Im willing to try at this point

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stuarta:

i'd try trunk first...

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gardengnome:

phew

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gardengnome:

stuarta: your comment almost made me consider running trunk on my production box

[16:09:58]

a5benwillis:

stuarta: How can I confirm which Im using now?

[16:10:11]

gbee:

gardengnome: go for it, you know it'll be worth it ;)

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a5benwillis:

--version?

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stuarta:

gardengnome: i do :)

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gardengnome:

gbee: how so?

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stuarta:

a5benwillis: you check it out from -fixes, so it's 0.20-fixes

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stuarta:

s/check/checked

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a5benwillis:

Library API version : 0.20.20070327–1

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21

[16:11:12]

a5benwillis:

well Im not so sure now. Its been a tough week getting my switching working

[16:11:19]

gardengnome:

gbee: storage groups are kinda boring now that i've got a 500G disk

[16:11:25]

gbee:

although it's very outdated

[16:11:35]

stuarta:

a5benwillis: well if you make a DB backup before you start, you can always go back :)

[16:11:48]

BSD_Tech:

now I just wish mythtv worked with my x10 so I could do house automation

[16:11:52]

gbee:

gardengnome: there is lots of new stuff in 0.21, I just can't remember what it is ;)

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squish102:

does any1 know what the process "kdvb-fe-0" is. it consumes about 10–20% cpu all the time and keps my machine at a load of 1

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GreyFoxx:

the kernel dvb frontend driver for your dvb card

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squish102:

thanks GreyFoxx

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gbee:

trunk is stable enough 95% of the time to be used in production and frequently it's more stable and works better than -fixes

[16:12:51]

gardengnome:

gbee: :) i usually read -commits, but therE's not that much exciting stuff in there. most of the really interesting stuff happens in other branches

[16:13:18]

gardengnome:

hum, does this changelog entry "Allow selection of dual audio track from the OSD menu instead of mute hack" apply to analog TV?

[16:13:29]

squish102:

ok any tips on where to look for a solution, google is no help

[16:13:53]

gbee:

gardengnome: it all gets merged into trunk (a lot of it already has but the rest will over the coming weeks)

[16:14:11]

chuk:

is Dish EIT fixed in the current trunk build?

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squish102:

my fix so far has been to rmmod the dvb card and only do analogue

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gardengnome:

gbee: except for the SoC stuff :;))

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stuarta:

haven't heard that it's not working.

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gardengnome:

ooooh, upnp support for mythvideo.

[16:15:21]

gardengnome:

does that mean i don't have to nfs mount my video directory anymore?

[16:15:29]

stuarta:

on the other hand, if some of you kind folk try trunk and find that dishnet doesn't give EIT, I wanna know about it

[16:15:30]

gardengnome:

it's not a big problem but it's always bugged me

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gbee:

gardengnome: not much of that to really speak of ;) mythweather-revamp will probably get merged in soon now that mythweather is broken

[16:15:57]

chuk:

I thought dish EIT was broken in all versions

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chuk:

due to dish change

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gardengnome:

gbee: that sounds great. mythweather has been broken for quite some time indeed. someone will have to be bribed into writing a grabber for europe, though :)

[16:16:19]

stuarta:

chuk: i'll ask MrGandalf when I see him next...

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gbee:

gardengnome: not quite yet, you can access videos with a upnp device, but mythvideo still needs access to the drive

[16:16:53]

gardengnome:

gbee: ok.

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gardengnome:

gbee: i'll try the ubuntu packages first; maybe i'll go SVN after that. i promised i'd check out their latest packages ;)

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chuk:

I had to hack dvbstreamdata.cpp I think

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chuk:

to return 1 from HasAnyEIT function

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a5benwillis:

chuk: Im working on the same problem

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gbee:

gardengnome: yeah, but integrated with the backend itself and not a seperate process

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a5benwillis:

chuk: dId the hack work? Im getting no EIT at all.

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nero_:

gbee- would that also lead to the ability to play music outside of mythmusc? :)

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chuk:

a5ben, this is what I did

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chuk:

edit mythtv/libs/libmythtv/mpeg/dvbstreamdata.h

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chuk:

and change this:

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chuk:

inline bool DVBStreamData::HasAnyEIT(void) const

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chuk:

{

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chuk:

return 1;

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chuk:

}

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gbee:

gardengnome: it's not for certain, just something I want to experiment with and _if_ that goes well then ...

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gardengnome:

gbee: i'll try SVN eventually and report my bugs in time. last time, i reported some stuff a few days before the release. :)

[16:19:54]

chuk:

its fairly hacky, but it gave me EIT

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a5benwillis:

chuk: Looks like you may be going by the same forum post as me :-)

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gbee:

nero_: probably

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chuk:

I assumed there was a "real" fix

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gardengnome:

gbee: no worries, NFS works well enough for now :)

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chuk:

it does work

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nero_:

gbee- that would be a very happy day for me.. :)

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a5benwillis:

chuk: Did you have to edidt he channel table as well?

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chuk:

I did not

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nero_:

i.e.- be able to show currently playing album art as a little icon in the corner, and would continue playing music until going into some other plugin (i.e. live tv or mythvideo) that uses sound.

[16:20:51]

chuk:

I believe it does a lot of useless EIT scanning

[16:20:55]

chuk:

but it does work

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gardengnome:

gbee: the translations need to be updated as well

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a5benwillis:

I'll give it a try, I assume it will require a recompile...

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chuk:

yes it does

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chuk:

it works on both fixes and trunk

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** stuarta wonders why nobody has submitted a ticket for this. **

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gbee:

I was wondering exactly the same thing

[16:22:18]

chuk:

I've seen more complicated version of a fix, but didnt bother to try it

[16:22:30]

a5benwillis:

stuarta: I think it might break other providerd EIT from what I read

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gbee:

how do people expect us to fix problems if they never tell us?!?

[16:22:48]

chuk:

it appeared to be a well known problem

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chuk:

and someone was working on it

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stuarta:

the return 1 will definitely cause issues.

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stuarta:

well known in a forum maybe, which most of us don't read.

[16:23:36]

chuk:

mrgandalf was working on it

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stuarta:

we go by issues reported to us.

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chuk:

in the thread I read

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stuarta:

i spoke to him a while back, have to see where he got too...

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a5benwillis:

the fix was posted by mrgandalf, Mark?

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stuarta:

Mark Bucheler

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chuk:

Ok, here's a preliminary patch. This creates an SDT-actual from a matching SDT-other for the tuned transponder and saves it to cache. I'm a little concerned about the OriginalNetworkId <> desired_netid check but for now it works well. This will eventually go in as an EIT fixup I'm told.

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chuk:

that was his quote on april 3

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a5benwillis:

chuk: Where are you located?

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chuk:

CT

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chuk:

USA

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a5benwillis:

Funny that we're both working on this today

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chuk:

well, I've been working on it every day....

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gardengnome:

hum, there's a special "low latency" kernel flavour in ubuntu feisty. will that make my mythtv work better? :)

[16:25:16]

a5benwillis:

its been on my list. I havent been able to get my switching working so EIT wasnt that important until yesterday.

[16:26:24]

gbee:

a quick search turns up no dishnet tickets open

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chuk:

my biggest problem now is getting XvMC working with CX700 chipset

[16:26:41]

chuk:

I can't seem to get a clear answer on if its even possible

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chuk:

I've heard both yes and no

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chuk:

but I sure can't get it to work

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a5benwillis:

chuk: So you changed this "inline bool HasAnyEIT(void) const;"

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a5benwillis:

to this " inline bool DVBStreamData::HasAnyEIT(void) const

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a5benwillis:

{

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a5benwillis:

return 1;

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a5benwillis:

}"

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chuk:

it already had the DVBStreamData in it

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chuk:

I just commented out the code

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chuk:

and put the return 1

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stuarta:

you can just add the return 1; at the top.

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gbee:

stuarta: in the last week I've now asked three people reporting segfaults in here to open tickets with a backtrace, not one of them has done so ;)

[16:27:58]

chuk:

I didnt change function declaration, etc.

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stuarta:

gbee: why am i not surprised....

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chuk:

it was in dvbstreamdata.h

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a5benwillis:

ah, I see it now

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stuarta:

new 'Allo 'Allo tonight :)

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gbee:

I think people prefer mythtv to be broken

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a5benwillis:

gbee: I've been getting one right after a channel scan....

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chuk:

it seems so many of the tickets that are opened are just user errors

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a5benwillis:

but i just started scanning one bird, then exiting. And scanning the next and it went away.

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chuk:

I think people afraid to open ticket...

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gbee:

segfault tickets will never be closed, they might be caused by user error – but the actual outcome of crashing is improper behaviour and needs to be fixed

[16:33:57]

gbee:

the solution might just be to pop up a dialogue saying "You've done something very stupid" but at least it won't crash ;)

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gbee:

damn it, I'd only just replaced the headphones on my mp3 player after they broke when I dropped it

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gbee:

now my kitten has just chewed through the cable of the new one

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a5benwillis:

when running configure I get this "cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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a5benwillis:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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a5benwillis:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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a5benwillis:

" SHould I be worried?

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stuarta:

no

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a5benwillis:

ok

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a5benwillis:

stuarta: Do we need to open a ticket about this now? Im trying the fix even though you told me it would cause other problems.

[16:43:56]

stuarta:

please open a ticket, add any patches you need to get it working. assign it to me if you can

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BSD_Tech:

ok why is mythtv not including libdvdplay

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stuarta:

anyway, i've gotta get going, back monday sometime.

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BSD_Tech:

I need libdvdplay for fc6

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a5benwillis:

chuk: Still here?

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chuk:

yes

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gbee:

BSD_Tech: because it doesn't need libdvdplay?

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a5benwillis:

chuk: WHat did you set your video sources to? EIT only? Long term EIT? Cross Check?

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chuk:

I set them all

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chuk:

not sure if thats correct

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chuk:

but thats what I did

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chuk:

eit only

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chuk:

long term

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chuk:

cross check

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BSD_Tech:

well I get blank screens when I try to play a dvd

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chuk:

I've had some mixed results

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a5benwillis:

did you need to delete chans and rescan?

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chuk:

one sat will give me full guide data

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juski:

weird. the BBC seem to have time-compressed 'the news quiz' theme tune

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chuk:

no

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chuk:

one sat only gives me a few hours sometimes

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chuk:

and sometimes full

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chuk:

so, obviously something is funky

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chuk:

but it will at least get you something

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chuk:

you should see it start to come down right away

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gbee:

BSD_Tech: you need decss, but the log should tell you what's going wrong

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chuk:

345 EIT added etc

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gbee:

we don't *require* decss as a) It's a legal minefield b) only needed for encrypted DVDs

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** baxter_kylie does not understand how the same channels can be detected and added on a Qam64 scan, a Qam256 scan, and an ATSC scan. **

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baxter_kylie:

One would think they're different entities.

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a5benwillis:

chuk: Ok just started backend, lets see if it scans..

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a5benwillis:

no need for filldatabase I guess

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chuk:

nope

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a5benwillis:

that was fast

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chuk:

got something?

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a5benwillis:

getting data now

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a5benwillis:

yep

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chuk:

long term data has been a problem for me

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chuk:

comes and goes

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chuk:

short term is always there

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a5benwillis:

I wonder if the other piece where they said to set only the EIT chans "useonlineguide" to 1 would help? That way wouldnt it only scan EIT on those chans?

[16:54:56]

a5benwillis:

536 EIT events right off the bat...

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chuk:

yeah, not sure

[16:55:06]

chuk:

I figure I would wait until someone fixed it right...

[16:55:12]

chuk:

seemed like a fairly major issue

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chuk:

I'm surprised that it seems fairly unknown

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a5benwillis:

no doubt

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a5benwillis:

they said that they havent bee told. I guess I'll open a ticket since this helped

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chuk:

yeah, honestly, I don't think I even understand the problem well enough to open a usefull ticket

[16:56:17]

chuk:

and it seems like others have done a lot of work on it already

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a5benwillis:

me either but gotta start somewhere

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chuk:

yeah, I had just assumed it was already started

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chuk:

by the 10 page thread or whatever that was

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a5benwillis:

Ok, where do I open a ticket at???

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juski:

svn.mythtv.org

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juski:

gbee: this little lot is starting to take shape now.. the data files at least :)

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chuk:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket

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gbee:

:D

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juski:

done the UK postcode to ITV & BBC region.. now working on a virginmedia packages data file

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gbee:

where did you get the data from for that?

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a5benwillis:

ticket added

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juski:

gbee: uk postcode to tv region data is conveniently on a website somewhere, but not in the form I needed

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a5benwillis:

chuk: Still alot of unknowns in my EPG, maybe it will update eventually

[17:04:29]

gbee:

juski: ahh

[17:04:45]

chuk:

yeah, it should

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chuk:

you might see all from one sat first

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chuk:

and none from another

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chuk:

thats how mine filled

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juski:

gbee: the VM data is partly on their own website, and digitalspy

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juski:

$ly stuff is all over the place. I might be able to make a script to just scrape pages & construct the xml files automatically

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a5benwillis:

what command can I use in mysql to set ALL chans to use onairguide? I have some set to 0 still

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a5benwillis:

117 to be exact

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gbee:

UPDATE channel SET useonairguide='1';

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a5benwillis:

how do I select the mythconverg db though?

[17:11:51]

gbee:

USE mythconverg;

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scant:

when I use my NVIDIA 6600LE AGP, driver revision 1.0–9755, XvMC my EPG crashes my frontend...

[17:12:16]

gbee:

easiest way is to specify it when starting the client:

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opello:

mysql -umythtv -pmythtv -e 'update channel set useonairguide=1;' mythconverg

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gbee:

mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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a5benwillis:

got it

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chuk:

I assume useonairguide = 1 means use EIT for that channel?

[17:14:41]

chuk:

and 0 means use datadirect?

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juski:

datadirect data can still be used it useonairguide=1 – just means it'll be overwritten by EIT

[17:15:58]

a5benwillis:

so it its set to 0 for any channel that channel wont get any EIT data even if its retrieved via Eit scan?

[17:17:11]

juski:

yup

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juski:

nice work sherlock :-P

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a5benwillis:

lol

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chuk:

every time I change the channel

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chuk:

say to 213

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chuk:

I get this:

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chuk:

2007-04–28 13:18:59.771 Finished recording : channel 1213

[17:19:08]

chuk:

2007-04–28 13:18:59.835 Finished recording : channel 1213

[17:19:08]

chuk:

2007-04–28 13:18:59.874 Preview Error: Previewer file '/home/myth/1213_20070428131858.mpg' is not valid.

[17:19:15]

chuk:

then a second later, the channel starst

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a5benwillis:

i get that to

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chuk:

is that normal?

[17:19:25]

chuk:

just a timing issue?

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maek:

Im installing on ubuntu 7.04 and the document im using says "* Proprietary ATI and NVidia video drivers should be installed and configured after MythTV installation and configuration is complete." does that jive with you guys?

[17:21:57]

a5benwillis:

I added mine before installing myth

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maek:

thats what I think as well.

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maek:

a5benwillis: what distro are you using?

[17:22:25]

a5benwillis:

edgy

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a5benwillis:

6.10

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russellb:

i can't imagine why it says to do it after

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russellb:

i would do it before.

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maek:

ok, thats what I figured. seems strange to me.

[17:23:28]

maek:

to get mythtv setup and dialed in for drivers you arent going to be using.

[17:23:29]

maek:

thanks.

[17:23:52]

scant:

when I use my NVIDIA 6600LE AGP, driver revision 1.0–9755, and XvMC, my EPG crashes my frontend... anyone else experience anything like this?

[17:29:14]

BSD_Tech:

the log tells me crap as to why no video when playing

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BSD_Tech:

and lindvdcss is installed

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gbee:

BSD_Tech: pastebin the last 30 lines of the log

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BSD_Tech:

http://pastebin.ca/462966

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MrTilly:

hello all... best filesystem to use?

[17:36:51]

BSD_Tech:

ext3

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MrTilly:

really? my ext3 install is doing weird things

[17:37:06]

gardengnome:

FAQ.

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gbee:

BSD_Tech: that's the backend log – you need the frontend log

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BSD_Tech:

not finding a front end log

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juski:

mythfrontend -v all

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juski:

or mythfrontend --help will let you know how to get a logfile

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gbee:

BSD_Tech: if you start mythfrontend from a console, it will be everything printed to that

[17:38:42]

BSD_Tech:

no it starts from x

[17:38:52]

BSD_Tech:

and a kde desktop

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juski:

open it from a console then :)

[17:39:46]

gbee:

MrTilly: there is no right or wrong for a filesystem used with mythtv, some people recommend XFS as it handles large file deletes faster but I've got two disks – one ext3 and the other xfs, I can't see a difference between them

[17:39:52]

juski:

I thought you said you helped out with mythdora, yesterday

[17:40:06]

gardengnome:

juski: dunno about you, but the new ubuntu packages feel more idiot proof than evcer

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BSD_Tech:

i have been beta testing but I dont dev

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MrTilly:

i'm considering starting over with an xfs box

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gbee:

gardengnome: never under estimate an idiot

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MrTilly:

randomly my hard disk will 'freeze'

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jduggan_:

just hope you dont have a crash with xfs ;)

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MrTilly:

like it'll take 20 minutes to ssh into the box

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gardengnome:

gbee: i know :(

[17:40:55]

MrTilly:

and i'll turn up random errors with fschk

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gardengnome:

oh my god. mythweb tells my the temperature of my CPU. i'm in love now

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** TSCHAK2 just added an HDTV Database entry for his new Westinghouse 26" LCD HDTV: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Westinghouse_SK-26H240S **

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juski:

gardengnome: I agree. it takes a new breed of idiot to fuck it up

[17:41:52]

juski:

I tried it this morning after unplugging my brain. only by ignoring all the popup messages can you go wrong!

[17:42:06]

gardengnome:

juski: it was a breeze to set up. mythweb isn't protected, though

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gbee:

MrTilly: doesn't sound like something directly related to the type of filesystem

[17:42:32]

juski:

I wiped the packages off there since. got svn on there now :)

[17:42:39]

MrTilly:

its a new disk, so i cant imagine that its bad

[17:42:43]

juski:

and I'm working on my automagical wizard thingummy again now :)

[17:42:53]

gardengnome:

juski: i can actually see myself putting this new box in the living room tonight. although the WAF sucks right now

[17:42:59]

MrTilly:

once i ssh in, and run a top (about 45minutes later) cpu is almost all but idel

[17:43:01]

MrTilly:

*idle

[17:43:08]

gardengnome:

juski: cool stuff :) i'm going to try xris' new logo thingy soon

[17:43:28]

juski:

the _hard_ bit is collating all the data into files :(

[17:43:45]

juski:

putting channel numbers into my xml files

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juski:

blech

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BSD_Tech:

ok and sorry correction on statemen

[17:44:26]

juski:

BSD_Tech: I don't care what you say. I'm still an asshole

[17:44:33]

TSCHAK2:

gardengnome, where can I get that?

[17:44:41]

BSD_Tech:

it plays dvd's but not the ripped dvd that I ripped last night

[17:44:44]

gardengnome:

TSCHAK2: where can you get what?

[17:44:54]

BSD_Tech:

juski you just need love

[17:44:58]

TSCHAK2:

gardengnome, xris' new logo thingy.

[17:45:02]

BSD_Tech:

I dont think your an asshole

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gbee:

MrTilly: SATA? I had a similar problem with a SATA drive recently, after switching it to a different (unused) power cable from my PSU it was working fine again

[17:45:14]

gardengnome:

TSCHAK2: it's in SVN somewhere. see trac

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TSCHAK2:

gardengnome, ah ok, i'll do another co

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BSD_Tech:

everyone grouphug with juski in the middle

[17:45:38]

BSD_Tech:

show him we love him

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TSCHAK2:

won't that kill him?

[17:45:59]

** juski laughs **

[17:46:14]

juski:

either way it's gonna help the communitae, right? ;)

[17:46:15]

** gardengnome hugs the EIT monkeys **

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gbee:

MrTilly: otherwise, I don't have any ideas. Those sorts of problems can be hard to debug. You could run smartctl on the drive just to be sure that it's not failing

[17:47:06]

juski:

damnit is there no such thing as a definitive listing of virginmedia's channel numbers _anywhere_? am I gonna have to sit down with pen & paper writing them all down?

[17:47:32]

** TSCHAK2 idly wonders how long until mythtv gets those whooshy spinny oh my god shiiiny ADD Apple iTV menu effects? :-P **

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gbee:

TSCHAK2: thanks for volunteering

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TSCHAK2:

ok, i'll do it

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TSCHAK2:

:-)

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BSD_Tech:

hmmm

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juski:

TSCHAK2: neon-wide apes appletv's ui look.. (ish)

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TSCHAK2:

juski, ok

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BSD_Tech:

appletv rocks

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** juski rattles the donation tins ready for the lawsuit **

[17:49:09]

BSD_Tech:

I wish I could afford one

[17:49:23]

juski:

bah they're nothing but useless fluff :)

[17:49:33]

BSD_Tech:

?

[17:49:39]

juski:

$299 for a box that can only play SDTV streams?

[17:50:09]

gardengnome:

300 bucks for a box with 128M RAM? i'll just cluster two S100 instead

[17:50:20]

juski:

granted it's a tiny ickle pretty box but even so...

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gbee:

no offence taken

[17:50:38]

MrTilly:

gbee: it is sata

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hugolp:

juski but... but... they are apple

[17:50:39]

MrTilly:

i'll try that

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hugolp:

and steve job is my god

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MrTilly:

thats kinda weird, but ok ;)

[17:50:49]

BSD_Tech:

crap I just found out the aduiocable from my mythbox that goes from the dvd drive to the mb was swipped

[17:50:53]

BSD_Tech:

JR

[17:51:03]

BSD_Tech:

going to kill my eldest son

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BSD_Tech:

brb

[17:51:29]

juski:

shoudn't somebody like, call the police or something? ;)

[17:51:36]

gardengnome:

no, why?

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gbee:

MrTilly: I don't know that a power problem is unique to SATA, although I also moved a power hungry PCI card to another slot and that might somehow have improved things for the Sata bus

[17:52:16]

MrTilly:

strange, i'll give it a shot, and let you know

[17:52:32]

BSD_Tech:

he is out at his friends house

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BSD_Tech:

grrr

[17:52:42]

MrTilly:

i put this box together just to test it, and then realized that i really like myth, but i have everything in one partition

[17:52:43]

maek:

anyone use a window manager other then gnome or kde?

[17:52:53]

MrTilly:

is there an easy way to split up the disk after the fact?

[17:52:53]

gbee:

I'd already ordered a new drive before I found that switching things around helped

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juski:

BSD_Tech: it's always better to get a rollocking when you come home.. takes the shine off the day completely :)

[17:53:05]

MrTilly:

maek: i'm using blackbox

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gbee:

bbl

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BSD_Tech:

then just mount a 2nd drive for media storage

[17:53:15]

maek:

MrTilly: and you like?

[17:53:20]

maek:

I should be able to use any WM right?

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juski:

maek: some WMs focus better than others

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MrTilly:

maek: dont mind it, i'm no myth expert, but i'd imagine it'd be the same thing with any wm

[17:53:50]

juski:

but any WM is better than none

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BSD_Tech:

now to find a xorg config that will work my svideo out

[17:54:07]

maek:

juski: do you mean focus in the X11 sense, or focus like the picture is more clear?

[17:54:14]

juski:

if you're only using mythtv's Internal player then you don't need a WM

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juski:

if you're only using mythtv's Internal player * or any external apps that use X * then you don't need a WM

[17:54:48]

juski:

maek: I mean focus in the X11 sense

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maek:

juski: thanks.

[17:55:11]

maek:

juski: can you elaberate on that not needing a WM? does that hold true for something like myth-game ?

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BSD_Tech:

xfb

[17:55:18]

maek:

ah

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maek:

I didnt know myth could do that.

[17:55:51]

maek:

I would imagine that would limit some functionality of the PVR as a whole? with playing back certain videos and what not?

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juski:

maek: yes it does.. if you use mythgame you'll need a WM

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maek:

ok, thanks.

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TSCHAK2:

it would be so cool if we could plug up a disk and if there were mythtv metadata files on it, it would read them, and the media would become available.

[17:56:37]

juski:

TSCHAK2: it'd be cooler if you made patches that made it possible

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TSCHAK2:

unplug it, media becomes unavailable.

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TSCHAK2:

mythtv-blessdisk

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TSCHAK2:

heheh

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juski:

you could theoretically do that with automount & storage groups – currently only available in SVN – but it'd still show the recordings – just not be able to play em

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tank-man:

why not just do it with a small shell script when you plug in your disk

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TSCHAK2:

juski, i've been fiddling with the idea here on my setup..

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TSCHAK2:

juski, and i think i have an idea of what changes will be needed to make.. just need to find about 30 hours to implement it

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GreyFoxx:

You could do that with automount, mythvideo and configure mythvideo to brows the filesystem

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GreyFoxx:

No metadata mind you

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GreyFoxx:

but you could plugin and play

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TSCHAK2:

*nod*

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TSCHAK2:

but i think i can do the metadata part.

[18:04:45]

TSCHAK2:

doing essentially a copy-on-write mirror of database changes.

[18:04:57]

TSCHAK2:

and writing that to a file on the disk.

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GreyFoxx:

What would be neat would be a patch to mythvideo that would read a metadata text file in the directory with the video which gives info and pointers to an icon file for that video

[18:05:39]

GreyFoxx:

so it would check both database and for the existance of a metadata file

[18:06:25]

Anduin:

TSCHAK2: visit0r's Python script is currently making metadata files, some long weekend reading/writing those files will be added to MythVideo.

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TSCHAK2:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

I should blank and reimport my current video metadata. A lot of it seems to have data missing and newew imdb.pl's might work better than when I last pulled it all in

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GreyFoxx:

Is there a good source of TV series/episode info out there if someone wanted to try and pull in data on tv shows?

[18:09:58]

Anduin:

GreyFoxx: imdb has the info as well, imdb.pl doesn't parse it (and won't if I have to add it), the stuff visit0r has been working on uses imdbpy and does look for TV

[18:10:13]

GreyFoxx:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

I've been going through and putt in icon files for at least the Season and such, but individual info would be nice

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BSD_Tech:

mythfrontend -l v locked up on me

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BSD_Tech:

2007-04–28 11:17:50.773 ComboBoxSetting::setValue(QString): BUG: attempted to set value of read-only ComboBox

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BSD_Tech:

2007-04–28 11:17:52.445 Total desktop dim: 1280x1024, with 1 screen[s].

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Fullmetal-Mavez:

y0

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squish:

any1 had a problem, that as soon as starting the backend my load jumps too over 1 and top shows kdvb-fe-0 at 10–20%

[18:42:35]

squish:

nothing else running

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squish:

i dont know how to diagnose the problem

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Fullmetal-Mavez:

can mythtv be controlled using only the mouse

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BSD_Tech:

yes

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BSD_Tech:

no

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BSD_Tech:

I think it has to be the arrows on the meyboard

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BSD_Tech:

or a remote

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BSD_Tech:

the mose does not show up in mythdora

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BSD_Tech:

myth

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BSD_Tech:

sorry

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gardengnome:

mythtv can't be controlled with only a mouse

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squish:

the next time i think of updating fedora with yum, someone please just shoot me

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juski:

if the mouse was trained to use a remote control... ;)

[19:19:02]

TSCHAK2:

i want to try one of those gyromice i saw in the linuxmce demo

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juski:

bah we went for almost a whole day without somebody mentioning that damn thing

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TSCHAK2:

juski, what damn thing?

[19:20:00]

hugolp:

TSCHAK2: a wiimote is better

[19:20:14]

hugolp:

the gyromice is a wiimote but without being able to point

[19:20:31]

hugolp:

you have drivers for the wiimote for linux

[19:20:37]

hugolp:

and the wiimote is cheap

[19:20:51]

hugolp:

juski is all good relax

[19:20:55]

hugolp:

take a deep breath

[19:21:03]

** gardengnome beers juski **

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hugolp:

TSCHAK2: I am messing arround with linuxmce and I can tell you the wiimote is better

[19:21:22]

TSCHAK2:

juski, both are gpl, so really.. you guys can pass code back and forth, it's all good. :-)

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juski:

sorry I'm just terminally allergic to dugg hype ;)

[19:21:53]

hugolp:

TSCHAK2: linuxmce core is a message router with wrappers for aplications

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TSCHAK2:

hugolp, yup, i know

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hugolp:

and uses mythtv for wathcing tv

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hugolp:

so its allredy happening

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TSCHAK2:

hugolp, i've been reading the programming guide

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TSCHAK2:

and yeah

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TSCHAK2:

i welcome it, because it's both cooperation AND competition

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TSCHAK2:

juski, neon-wide is beautiful btw

[19:23:23]

TSCHAK2:

juski, I'm going to try and fix the mythgame part.. it doesn't render properly.

[19:23:44]

TSCHAK2:

now all that's needed is neon-wide-osd :-D

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GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: I finally have time to look at that mythgame stuff you sent me. Can you describe the symptoms one more time? and just to check, what version are you running ?

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** GreyFoxx needs to build a working VLC with H264 support **

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Fullmetal-Mavez:

damn!

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juski:

TSCHAK2: I'm taking a break from theming to work on other projects :)

[19:29:41]

juski:

and my frontend doesn't support transparency with the colour OSD hack, so there's no motivation to make a nice OSD for neon-wide ;)

[19:31:00]

TSCHAK2:

juski, oh come on, send ya a donation? :-D

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fryfrog:

looks like comcast added 2 or 3 new HD channels in my area!

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juski:

send me a case of Gentleman Jack & I'll consider it ;)

[19:32:33]

fryfrog:

A&E HD and something called NGCHD but i'm not sure what that is

[19:32:37]

juski:

hell for that I might even consider making a 4:3 neon theme

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TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, running xmame 0.106.. and when i try to do an extensive rom scan, I get ROM names, but most of my roms don't even show up, and if I click on some of them, I get a completely different game.. this doesn't happen if I tell it just to list the files in the rom directory.

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TSCHAK2:

juski, done. address? :-)

[19:33:15]

fryfrog:

that'd also explain them screwing around with the OTA HD channels I used to get with my QAM air2pc cards :/

[19:33:43]

GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: So they don't show in the game list... do you see the missing ones in the frontend output ?

[19:33:56]

TSCHAK2:

yes

[19:34:06]

juski:

you have any idea how much a case of that costs?

[19:34:07]

TSCHAK2:

so i think it's getting the roms mixed up

[19:34:13]

GreyFoxx:

Also when you try to start it, the frontend should output the entire commandline being executed including path to the rom

[19:34:24]

TSCHAK2:

juski, yeah, and well.. if that's what it would really take.....

[19:34:34]

juski:

as I recall it makes the myth multiplex bounty look like playschool

[19:34:46]

GreyFoxx:

can you give an specific example of one that you are not seeing in the gamelist ?

[19:34:53]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, one moment.

[19:35:19]

TSCHAK2:

sorry had to flip out of the beautiful neon-wide

[19:35:27]

TSCHAK2:

because it doesn't work properly with mythgame just yet

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TSCHAK2:

(i'll fix that though)

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GreyFoxx:

and what version are you running? 0.20 reload, -fixes or a recent svn trunk?

[19:36:22]

juski:

oo there'll be patches for mythgame? cool – saves me figuring it out!

[19:36:59]

juski:

I've not yet 'discovered' linux gaming see ;)

[19:37:37]

GreyFoxx:

I use it from time to time when I get nostalgic. And when friends come over, they get a kick out of playing the old stuff :)

[19:37:43]

hugolp:

talking about themes

[19:38:00]

hugolp:

Is there a page where I can download more themes for mythtv?

[19:38:06]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, a recent svn trunk

[19:38:14]

juski:

hugolp: see the wiki

[19:38:33]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, hmmm.. Mario Bros is selecting the PlayChoice-10: Mario Bros

[19:38:41]

juski:

or www.juski.co.uk for the only ones worth downloading :-P

[19:38:43]

juski:

(kidding)

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GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: can you show me (pastebin.ca is fine) the frontend output when you select it?

[19:39:07]

GreyFoxx:

IT should show the commandline used

[19:39:39]

hugolp:

juski any recomendation for a good theme?

[19:39:44]

juski:

wah! last 20 search engine queries for my site.. all blootube :(

[19:39:57]

juski:

hugolp: try all of them & stick with one you like

[19:40:33]

juski:

some really suck, but I'll let you be the judge of which they are

[19:41:16]

hugolp:

juski allways so helpfull

[19:41:17]

juski:

I've said it before & I don't mind saying it again... I just put my themes out there & if people like em good for them

[19:41:20]

hugolp:

;)

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hugolp:

juski I was asking for your personal opinion

[19:41:51]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, Launching Game : Arcade : xmame.x11 "/media/MYTHDRIVE/games/arcade/roms/pc_mario.zip" :

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TSCHAK2:

Executing : xmame.x11 "/media/MYTHDRIVE/games/arcade/roms/pc_mario.zip"

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juski:

cutest theme by far is mepo-wide

[19:42:04]

hugolp:

ok thanks

[19:42:09]

juski:

but I really don't like the colour scheme in that

[19:42:30]

hugolp:

blootube wide looks cool in the pictures

[19:42:40]

GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: Ok.... and what is one that you see in the scan output, but doesn't show in the list at all ?

[19:43:00]

GreyFoxx:

juski: I can't stand it either

[19:43:07]

GreyFoxx:

it bugs me that it's the default ;)

[19:43:10]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, puckman.. aka Pac-Man, aka Puckman.....

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juski:

so – if I look like I'm trying not to be biased it's cos themes are an individual thing.. like all taste ;)

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GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: k

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TSCHAK2:

juski, just saw your promo-loop for mythtv.. great job! :-)

[19:44:44]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Is that on your site? I haven't seen it since you were only a few frames into it :)

[19:45:34]

juski:

GreyFoxx: it's in bits on my site

[19:45:40]

juski:

as in .rar files

[19:45:50]

juski:

janneg mirrored it for me.. hang on

[19:46:16]

juski:

damn can't find the linky

[19:47:06]

TSCHAK2:

it's on your site in the videos section

[19:47:32]

hugolp:

osd themes is for when you are watching tv?

[19:47:33]

juski:

the rar files are, yeah

[19:47:39]

juski:

hugolp: yep

[19:48:09]

** juski hopes his voiceover didn't send anybody to sleep **

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hugolp:

juski so when I download a normal theme it doesnt affect tv live?

[19:49:01]

hugolp:

by the way I understand you when you say gant is horrible

[19:49:08]

** TSCHAK2 has professional voice-over experience, so I might be able to help. **

[19:49:14]

hugolp:

I like retro

[19:49:21]

Varanger:

helloÂ°

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Varanger:

!

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Varanger:

I have installed mythdvd for the fist time

[19:49:39]

** juski used to have a radio show & has lots of experience :) **

[19:50:00]

Varanger:

The options are easy to use, but I can't make the ripper start !!

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juski:

TSCHAK2: maybe we could have an American version to help the folks out on the other side of the pond ;)

[19:50:15]

TSCHAK2:

juski, excellent. :-)

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Varanger:

what should I press??

[19:50:19]

TSCHAK2:

juski, yes, I would love to help.

[19:50:35]

Varanger:

help me !! :D

[19:50:43]

** juski laughs.. dual-soundtracks.. English & American :-P **

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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TSCHAK2:

juski, yeah, because well.. you have to put it in terms that the average McDonald's munching american can understand, unfortunately. :-P

[19:51:54]

TSCHAK2:

juski, just think to yourself.. Would George Dubya Bush understand? if yes, then it's good to go. :-P

[19:52:00]

juski:

the intended audience for the promo is folks at linux expos, so I ruled out the 'want fries with that?' people

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TSCHAK2:

hehhehehe

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juski:

I played the background music in the car the other day. almost blew the bloody doors off!

[19:53:02]

TSCHAK2:

we could do the "Hi, I'm a Tivo.. Hi I'm MythTV." commercials. :-D

[19:53:15]

juski:

hahahaha

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GreyFoxx:

hahahaha

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GreyFoxx:

that would be kinda funny

[19:53:32]

GreyFoxx:

post a couple of those on youtube or something ;)

[19:53:38]

TSCHAK2:

the mythtv guy has stuff hanging off his belt

[19:53:38]

** juski wishes he had a HDV camera **

[19:54:02]

juski:

and a big fuck-off cyclorama & lighting rig

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TSCHAK2:

I have some lighting put away.

[19:54:24]

Varanger:

In MythDVD, I have configured the options for ripping easily, but I can't start ripping??

[19:54:36]

juski:

Varanger: you need the _mfd_ daemon running

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juski:

see the wiki about mfd

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Varanger:

juski: it is running

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Varanger:

,fd or mtd ??

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Varanger:

mfd

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TSCHAK2:

mtd

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Varanger:

It's running

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juski:

oops my bad

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Varanger:

juski: My problem is that I don't know how to start ripping

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TSCHAK2:

we don't talk about mtd in here because it's a potential dmca risk mmkay? hahahahaha

[19:55:43]

Varanger:

oh I am sorry

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TSCHAK2:

kidding

[19:55:48]

TSCHAK2:

:-)

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juski:

did you configure where to store the rips? and is there write access on that dir?

[19:56:38]

TSCHAK2:

hahahaha

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TSCHAK2:

it should read, "Do you own this DVD?"

[19:56:58]

TSCHAK2:

:-P

[19:56:58]

Dagmar:

I don't expect it to work because I haven't touched configuring it yet

[19:57:10]

juski:

<error-font>HUGE-MOMMA</error-font>

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TSCHAK2:

hehehheh

[19:57:22]

Dagmar:

I rather expected it would do something spastic that results in 100% CPU usage for no apparent reason for hours on end

[19:57:30]

TSCHAK2:

it works great for me

[19:57:40]

TSCHAK2:

i moved my whole dvd collection in

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TSCHAK2:

as iso copies

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TSCHAK2:

and now i realise

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hugolp:

juski I am going for your blootube wide

[19:57:54]

TSCHAK2:

i need about oh, 4 1TB disks

[19:57:56]

hugolp:

It looks great

[19:58:13]

juski:

"other GUI themes are available"</disclaimer>

[19:58:43]

TSCHAK2:

someone should make one and call it pr0n

[19:58:53]

TSCHAK2:

"You can store 400 more hours of porn."

[19:59:15]

Dagmar:

Yes that reminds me that I'm really looking forward to seeing the first theme that someone makes with a half-nude woman on it

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Dagmar:

THen we'll know for sure that the th3m3st3rz have truly arrived

[20:00:01]

Dagmar:

Too much to watch all at once

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juski:

Dagmar: I've told you before.. boobtube-wide is in the works

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juski:

Reader's Wives.. isn't that a bit like Open Source ?

[20:00:46]

TSCHAK2:

hugolp, then by all means, use it.. you do not need his personal blessing... *ominus*dominus*cuminus*aaaaaaaaammeeeeennnn*

[20:01:20]

hugolp:

TSCHAK2: just leting juski know

[20:01:30]

TSCHAK2:

ok

[20:01:32]

TSCHAK2:

hehehe

[20:01:45]

GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: Can you send me a dump of your gameplayers table too ?

[20:01:56]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, sure, one moment.

[20:02:57]

juski:

hugolp: like TSCHAK2 said. thanks for the appreciation though :)

[20:03:16]

Varanger:

I'll check about the location

[20:03:32]

juski:

and hugolp – save your money for more RAM :-P

[20:03:58]

BSD_Tech:

now I am miffed it says my soundcard is active but I get no audio

[20:04:09]

BSD_Tech:

grrr

[20:04:58]

GreyFoxx:

You seem to keep running into a large amount of problems

[20:05:05]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, sent .

[20:05:14]

TSCHAK2:

some people are just bug-magnets

[20:05:16]

GreyFoxx:

I'm curious, what distro? ARe you compiling your self or is it a prepacked ?

[20:05:23]

GreyFoxx:

true

[20:06:01]

hugolp:

juski I upgrade my server to 2gig of RAM two days ago

[20:06:26]

hugolp:

I am looking in the wiki for a how to to install the themes but I cant find it

[20:06:54]

gardengnome:

hugolp: there's a readme

[20:07:01]

** TSCHAK2 has now schlorped all of jsuki's themes **

[20:07:08]

juski:

or the page on my webshite

[20:07:09]

hugolp:

ok found it

[20:07:33]

TSCHAK2:

at least it doesn't use the blink tag.

[20:07:46]

Varanger:

I press "0" and nothing happens either

[20:08:04]

juski:

hey I made it all W3C compliant last weekend when I had a monster hangover

[20:08:06]

TSCHAK2:

Varanger, press the melody for Funkytown, that might work.

[20:08:28]

** Varanger didn't understand what TSCHAK2 said **

[20:08:32]

juski:

oyay! A South Park reference!

[20:08:44]

juski:

don't forget to bring a towel!

[20:08:50]

** TSCHAK2 has that record too hehehe **

[20:09:04]

TSCHAK2:

You're the worst character ever, towelie.

[20:09:15]

Varanger:

c u

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Varanger:

I have to go

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BSD_Tech:

the only reason I use any linux is because they have not finished writing the drivers for bsd to support the tvtunner card I have

[20:11:29]

hound:

Does reiserfs have problems with large files like 5GB? I've read it has problems with "large" files but I'm not sure what that means.

[20:12:00]

TSCHAK2:

I need to make a program filter rule, that IF the show is a MOVIE, and it's on a channel that severely edits, reformats, and bleeps out the movie.. .DON'T FUCKING BOTHER EVEN SHOWING IT ON THE LIST! :-P

[20:12:47]

hound:

wow :-) isn't that just about every basic cable channel out there?

[20:13:14]

juski:

TSCHAK2: don't you want TV with built-in v-chip anymore? ;)

[20:13:24]

gardengnome:

mythvideo is just so cute. "metadata.o: You don't seem to have any tracks. That's ok with me if it's ok with you."

[20:13:31]

mishehu:

hound: I've not had problems with large files on reiserfs, otehr than it seems a bit slower than xfs is with large files.

[20:13:49]

GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: the Marios Bros. one appears to be correct

[20:14:02]

juski:

you know what really made me feel sorry for some people was when I heard about the DVD censoring system that can mute out cuss words & jump past 'unsuitable' scenes automagically

[20:14:11]

GreyFoxx:

IT's playing the Playchoice version )pc_mario.zip) with the proper matching crc value;

[20:14:27]

gbee:

heh, To think that some Americans believe the rest of the world envies them

[20:14:35]

hugolp:

I am trying to extract the gray osd them downloaded from the wiki but it sais theres a mistake in the file. Is that known or is my computer playing with me?

[20:15:07]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, I want the arcade version, the real one.

[20:15:14]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, it should play mario instead... not pc_mario

[20:15:39]

juski:

gbee: these guys can't be serious.. there'a a channel on virginmedia called 'Discovery TURBO'

[20:15:58]

GreyFoxx:

hugolp: what version of myth? Gray-OSD was been included since 0.20 release

[20:16:03]

TSCHAK2:

honestly, I've become ashamed to be an american

[20:16:04]

gbee:

thought grey was in svn

[20:16:12]

GreyFoxx:

so as long as you have the myththemes installed it will be available

[20:16:52]

** gbee rolls his eyes **

[20:16:56]

hugolp:

GreyFoxx: that must be it

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hugolp:

thanks

[20:17:23]

GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: your pc_mario.zip file is the MAME "Marios Bros." / " Mario Bros. (PlayChoice-10)"

[20:18:12]

GreyFoxx:

You do have two Mario Bros. in the name list though, one for Atari, one for Mame

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TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, I don't collapse them into the same list.

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maek:

do I want to enable xvmc for my video card?

[20:18:45]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, I have several variants, for 2600, 5200, 7800, Colecovision, and Arcade

[20:19:07]

gardengnome:

maek: you should read the XvMC article at wiki.mythtv.org

[20:19:14]

maek:

gardengnome: ok, thanks

[20:19:27]

juski:

to the wikimobile! let's go!!

[20:19:40]

TSCHAK2:

BIFF!

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TSCHAK2:

PO!

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TSCHAK2:

POW!

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TSCHAK2:

. o O (the sounds of someone navigating a wiki) :-P

[20:21:08]

maek:

is it possible to tell from the mythtv binary what compile time options were used?

[20:21:11]

irc:

hello, is anyone using a external 7 inch lcd display? i've an old graphics card, can i have a second desktop displayed on it driven by the composit output of the card?

[20:21:39]

gbee:

maek: --version

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TSCHAK2:

juski, hahahha, I just noticed on graythem.. the icon for games is a Suncom TAC-2... I have one of those in my atari joystick collection hehehe

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juski:

TSCHAK2: really? I never knew that

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maek:

gbee: that would be the mythtv binary?

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juski:

maek: mythfrontend --version

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maek:

juski: thanks

[20:23:18]

gbee:

mythbackend or mythfrontend

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BSD_Tech:

it fudoraand linux probing wrong at setup it loaded the wrong sounddriver

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maek:

gbee, juski: thanks.

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juski:

right I'm gonna watch some mythtv now.. bbl maybes

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TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, is there any way to tell mythgame to just get the game list from xmame itself like it used to?

[20:28:46]

TSCHAK2:

actually, i think i'll just write a little utility to get the list and populate the db table.

[20:29:56]

GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: In the case of the Mario game, I'm missing exactly what is wrong

[20:30:10]

GreyFoxx:

It's executing the correct one everytime I try to launch it

[20:31:58]

maek:

Im using mythtv on my tv, as apposed to a monitor. and it seems like the picture is shifted a bit up and to the left, is it possible to adjust that? either via x or myth? Im moving away from media center and it seemed to have been centered.

[20:32:38]

GreyFoxx:

I do see the MsPacman problem though

[20:32:57]

GreyFoxx:

There are 2 entries in the database with the same CRC value, both titled Ms Pacman

[20:34:02]

GreyFoxx:

Looks like the bigbucks and mspacman have the same crc value in romdb

[20:34:26]

GreyFoxx:

I'll grab the source to the recent xmame and see if they match there as well

[20:34:34]

squish102:

if i suddenly have poor SD channels and my HD channels cannot get get a lock, could that jst mean that my cable service has a bad signal and I should call them out?

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GreyFoxx:

Looks like the mame site is unreachable at the moment, but I'll try it again in alittle bit

[20:35:25]

Jenetik:

Anyone know why when I scan for a transponder using mythtv, I get a 80/80% lock on the signal and then it says "timeout — no tables found" and no channels are ever foud.. ?

[20:36:17]

squish102:

or should i maybe just try scan for channels again?

[20:41:33]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, it's supposed to launch "mario" .. not "pc_mario"

[20:41:56]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, "pc_mario" is the Playchoice-10: Mario.. (which doesn't show up either, because Mario Bros. matches it, i assume.)

[20:42:24]

GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: It shows up correct and launches the correct one

[20:42:28]

GreyFoxx:

here at least

[20:42:44]

TSCHAK2:

:-( ok

[20:42:53]

** baxter_kylie idly wonders how many days of his life in dedicated hours he's spent trying to get his analog tv to work. **

[20:42:57]

GreyFoxx:

Go to www.phaze.org/romdb

[20:43:04]

Jenetik:

anyone know what "no tables" means when doing transponder scans?

[20:43:22]

TSCHAK2:

GreyFoxx, i have that one, it's the same one that's currently in myth's svn.

[20:43:23]

GreyFoxx:

TSCHAK2: and then do a crc search for "2fc650bd"

[20:43:25]

TSCHAK2:

ok

[20:44:05]

GreyFoxx:

Sorry, I think I just gave you the wrong one

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TSCHAK2:

oh holy crap

[20:44:25]

TSCHAK2:

looks like you need to use an md5 instead

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GreyFoxx:

a426c5c0

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GreyFoxx:

That is the right CRC

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TSCHAK2:

but that's not the right game.

[20:45:14]

TSCHAK2:

*sigh*

[20:45:24]

TSCHAK2:

type xmame mario

[20:45:26]

GreyFoxx:

That is the data from xmames list

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GreyFoxx:

no xmame installed on this machine at the moment, and the mame.net site is currently unreachable for me to grab the latest

[20:46:17]

TSCHAK2:

ok

[20:46:33]

GreyFoxx:

That name, description, year and CRC came from xmames list

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TSCHAK2:

the crc list is wrong.. if you'd like, I can manually go through, and get all the right values.

[20:47:11]

TSCHAK2:

matches a whole bunch of games that aren't even related to pac-man

[20:47:13]

TSCHAK2:

like Mr. TNT

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GreyFoxx:

They duplicate a lot of them unfortunately

[20:47:37]

TSCHAK2:

(mr. tnt is NOT a puckman clone)

[20:47:49]

GreyFoxx:

but the mario seems correct to me. pc_mario is the playchoice version and that is what that crc matches

[20:47:56]

TSCHAK2:

yes...

[20:47:59]

TSCHAK2:

ok so the crc list is wrong

[20:48:21]

TSCHAK2:

i guess i'll take it up with them

[20:48:36]

TSCHAK2:

at least i know now what the problem is

[20:48:52]

TSCHAK2:

and I'll just write a little script to scrape the rom list from xmame.

[20:49:48]

GreyFoxx:

I'm still not seeing the problem, maybe I'm being thick. the name is correct, the description is correct, the crc matches the file pc_mario.zip which is the playchoice version... so what about it is incorrect?

[20:50:21]

TSCHAK2:

it's not Mario Bros.. it's Playchoice-10 mario bros....

[20:50:21]

GreyFoxx:

I do see the puckman problem, and will fix that

[20:50:29]

TSCHAK2:

Mario Bros is supposed to match to mario

[20:50:34]

TSCHAK2:

which is the original arcade rom

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GreyFoxx:

Uhhh

[20:50:44]

TSCHAK2:

the closest match to that

[20:50:47]

TSCHAK2:

is Pest Place

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TSCHAK2:

(which is a clone of mario)

[20:51:21]

TSCHAK2:

this means, there are some inconsistencies in the crc list you got from the mame people.

[20:51:28]

TSCHAK2:

yes.

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GreyFoxx:

the description says playchoice, but the goodname didn't

[20:51:39]

TSCHAK2:

and nobody has bothered to QA the list apparently.

[20:51:51]

TSCHAK2:

not your fault

[20:51:55]

TSCHAK2:

the mame people.

[20:53:31]

GreyFoxx:

man, time to pickup a new omni antenna... this part of the house gets crappy wireless signal

[20:55:33]

GreyFoxx:

I'll still take a look later once I can reach the mame site, maybe they have updated info I can import into a new romdb

[20:57:02]

Jenetik:

Anyone know why when I scan for a transponder using mythtv, I get a 80/80% lock on the signal and then it says "timeout — no tables found" and no channels are ever foud.. ?

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hugolp:

juski I am using your theme and it rocks

[21:01:48]

hugolp:

you are as sarcastic as good with themes

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BSD_Tech:

ok fedora core sucks

[21:15:16]

BSD_Tech:

its not detecting my soundcard right

[21:15:19]

BSD_Tech:

grrr

[21:16:09]

squish102:

lol

[21:16:36]

maek:

is it possible to adjust the location of my screen via myth or X? its not an option for my tv and it appears to be about 1/8inch to far to the left and about 1/2 inch to high. any ideas?

[21:16:46]

BSD_Tech:

I am about to shoot this setup and just put bsdmyth on

[21:17:35]

maek:

hugolp: where did you find juskis theme?

[21:20:30]

hugolp:

maek in juskis web

[21:20:40]

hugolp:

theres a link in the mythtv wiki

[21:20:50]

maek:

thanks.

[21:21:44]

Como|Lappy:

after building modules, what do you do to make them take effect in mythtv? restart the frontend/backend?

[21:22:16]

BSD_Tech:

I got everything else fixed execpt sound

[21:23:14]

BSD_Tech:

it seems the linx sound driver for via 82xx sucks

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hugolp:

I am user mplayer as player for mythtv, but when I am playing a recorded movie and I move the mouse it appears on the screen

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hugolp:

is there any way I cant stop this happening?

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hugolp:

I use

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maek:

hugolp: how did you switch the internal myth player to mplayer? is this also onthe wiki?

[21:30:30]

BSD_Tech:

man this is a pisser

[21:30:42]

BSD_Tech:

I throw in my bsd drive sound works fine

[21:31:00]

Tanthrix:

Word is crashing. This is incredibly not cool.

[21:31:18]

BSD_Tech:

I throw in the mythdora and the linuxdriver snd-via82xx says its loaded but I get no sound

[21:31:21]

GreyFoxx:

You cannot switch out the internal player except in mythvideo

[21:31:55]

** Tanthrix sends of firery ball of rage towards Redmond **

[21:32:12]

maek:

GreyFoxx: and mythvideo would be for playing my .avi files and such? I assume. forgive my ignorance, ive been using media center and hating it.

[21:32:21]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[21:32:27]

GreyFoxx:

mythvideo is for non recorded content

[21:32:41]

maek:

GreyFoxx: thank you

[21:36:25]

maek:

is it easy to get the MS remote working with myth?

[21:37:39]

janneg:

juski, GreyFoxx: http://www.grunau.be/juski/

[21:40:37]

Tanthrix:

Does anyone know a way in Windows to pull an image of everything in RAM?

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Tanthrix:

Word is locked up, I've got 2 pages down, and haven't saved my modifications yet.

[21:41:11]

Tanthrix:

It's actually using one full core of my processor doing god knows what at the moment

[21:41:22]

maek:

the wiki says mythtv allows for overscan adjustments inside mythtv itself? how would I access this?

[21:41:45]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: the sysinternals guys might have something

[21:42:31]

Jenetik:

Anyone know why when I scan for a transponder using mythtv, I get a 80/80% lock on the signal and then it says "timeout — no tables found" and no channels are ever foud.. ?

[21:42:35]

hugolp:

make just use mplayer for mythvideo

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hugolp:

maek

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Tanthrix:

gardengnome: I'm looking there, but not seeing anything

[21:42:50]

charwood:

Hello everyone. I have some rather basic questions regarding myth and HDTV: 1.) Does poor reception (20% signal) cause distortion and low framerates or do I have a hardware problem? 2.) Is there significant difference between an old-style rabbit-eared antenna and an HDTV antenna?

[21:43:20]

maek:

hugolp: ok, thank you.

[21:43:39]

Milosch:

hdtv is usually on UHF, but not always

[21:43:52]

charwood:

I'm in an area that theoreitcally has at least 5 HDTV channels though I only receive 4, and those I do receive are unwatchable and have only 20% signal.

[21:44:25]

Milosch:

i would think that you would either get them or not, i.e. no reception or full reception and no in between

[21:44:44]

Milosch:

probably a directional hdtv antenna would help

[21:45:06]

Milosch:

i forget, but there is a site that can tell you where the towers are relative to your location

[21:45:12]

charwood:

Molosch: Signal strenght now reads 38% on this one channel (yes, due to the digital nature I would expect the same).

[21:45:17]

chuk:

if you get a lot of pixelation, then its bad signal

[21:45:31]

chuk:

you should not get low framerates

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charwood:

chuk: Yes, lots of pixelization, but also about 1 frame per 3 seconds.

[21:45:43]

charwood:

And skipping audio.

[21:45:46]

chuk:

unless you are getting signal loss

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chuk:

in between

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chuk:

and only actually getting 1 frame ever 3 secs

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Milosch:

it's on or off, your hardware affects the perception of it somewhat

[21:46:14]

charwood:

My system usage for mythfrontend is only 13% or I would suspect that my computer simply can't decode the signal fast enough.

[21:47:51]

Tanthrix:

Hrm, I essentially just need a core dump of windows.

[21:48:00]

Tanthrix:

Where's a BSOD when you need it?!

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Milosch:

with traditional broadcast, AM video and FM audio, you get the fuzziness with a bad signal, plus a lot of other crap, including the video signal creeping into the audio as buzzing on bright subjects

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gardengnome:

Tanthrix: are you sure you would be able to extract a .doc out of a core dump? :)

[21:48:42]

Tanthrix:

Probably not.

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Tanthrix:

But I just tried to attach a debugger with Process Manager and it crashed anyway

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Milosch:

you also need a bunch of symbols installed to read it

[21:49:24]

Milosch:

the coredump i mean

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Milosch:

isn't windows just one big coredump anyway?

[21:50:09]

charwood:

Milosch: So in your opinion my problem is not with the signal but with something else?

[21:50:33]

Milosch:

how far are you from the transmitting towers?

[21:51:02]

Tanthrix:

Phew, it recovered it.

[21:51:04]

Milosch:

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx

[21:51:18]

charwood:

Milosch: Thanks, I was googling in vain.

[21:51:28]

Tanthrix:

(Didn't think it was going to, since when I was hung I didn't see the temp recovery file in the directory that I had previously saved, but it must have been somewhere)

[21:51:35]

gbee:

charnwood: the question is, how are the SD channels in comparison? Are all the HS channels on the same mux or do they appear on the same mux as good quality SD channels?

[21:51:39]

Milosch:

the name popped into my head finally, i think that's the one

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charwood:

Milosch: Heh. That site is down on account of high traffic from Yahoo!.

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gbee:

s/HS/HD/

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Milosch:

what's your zip

[21:52:31]

Milosch:

what's your zip code

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Milosch:

charwood: ?

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charwood:

gbee: I'm going to go with them all being equally bad quality. Certainly the same order of magnitude the the signal varies from 20% to 40% over time and channels.

[21:54:51]

gbee:

poor signal quality would probably account for most of your problems, and if it's the same for SD channels then it's not a problem with decoding HDTV

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charwood:

Milosch: 68506

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charwood:

Thanks to all of you by the way, I appreciate the help.

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Milosch:

which channels are working

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Milosch:

btw, they only show 3 HD channels in your area

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gbee:

a decent directional antenna, particularly a high band one which is rated for digital reception (ATSC) would definately improve things

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Milosch:

and those are approx 30 miles away

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Milosch:

and in two different directions ;)

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gbee:

once you've got a decent signal, it doesn't guarentee that your machine is capable of playing back HD but from the sound of it, you shouldn't have that problem

[21:59:10]

Milosch:

they show 8.1, 10.1 and 40.1, and the last one is in a different location

[21:59:31]

Milosch:

17 degrees vs. approx 270 for the other 2

[22:00:04]

Milosch:

iow, maybe you need an aerial ;)

[22:00:18]

charwood:

Milosch, gbee: Thanks. My machine is a 3200 AMD, 2Gb Ram and a nvidia 6600GT for video. I think that the xvfc extensions are running on the card.

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Tronic:

2 gigabits of RAM?

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Milosch:

128M :)

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gbee:

charnwood: yeah that spec shouldn't cause a problem with playback, at least not with the symptoms you've described

[22:01:34]

Tronic:

... and 3200 what? 3200+ or 3200 MHz?

[22:01:45]

Milosch:

amd 3200...

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Milosch:

athlon i guess

[22:02:08]

Milosch:

1GHz

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Milosch:

or 2

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Milosch:

mine is throttled to 1

[22:03:54]

charwood:

Yes, AMD64 I forgot the codename of the core but it's their modern-ish socket (not the 754).

[22:03:57]

rokstar:

does anyone know how to get back to an archive screen that I started after going back to watch tv?

[22:04:37]

rokstar:

I can see ffmpeg running in top but I can't get back to the screen, going back to archive just asks me if I wanna make a new one

[22:04:55]

Milosch:

may have crapped out, look for a log somewhere...

[22:05:21]

charwood:

s/lad mad/like mad

[22:06:06]

rokstar:

so it should go back normally?

[22:06:13]

Milosch:

ime, yes

[22:07:09]

chuk:

how do you tell myth what dir to look for themes in?

[22:08:12]

Tronic:

charwood: 2 Gb = 256 MB and with that kind of machine you probably have 2 GB (gigabytes) rather than 2 Gb (gigabits) of RAM. One byte is eight bits. The case of B does matter.

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GreyFoxx:

chuk: I don't think it's configurable

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Milosch:

chuk: move your themes to the theme dir

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juski:

/usr/share/mythtv/themes or /usr/local/mythtv/themes – those are your 2 choices

[22:08:52]

juski:

oops

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chuk:

it is looking in usr/bin/share

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GreyFoxx:

There are ways to override certain files, but you don't actual tell it where to look

[22:08:59]

chuk:

they are located in usr/share

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Milosch:

hmm

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charwood:

Tronic: (Yes, 2GB talk about nit picking. Who talks about their ram in terms of bits?)

[22:09:18]

GreyFoxx:

sounds like the person who made your package needs abeating :)

[22:09:20]

juski:

/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes or /usr/share/mythtv/themes usually

[22:09:29]

chuk:

yes, I know they are supposed to be there

[22:09:36]

chuk:

but it is looking in usr/bin/share

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chuk:

just wondered if I could change that location

[22:09:44]

GreyFoxx:

is there anything under /usr/bin/share ?

[22:09:46]

Tronic:

charwood: RAM chip manufacturers do.

[22:09:46]

chuk:

where it is looking

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juski:

there's a mythfrontend variable you can use I think

[22:09:51]

chuk:

yeah, mythtv with 1 theme

[22:10:00]

Milosch:

that sucks

[22:10:02]

chuk:

I realize I could move my other ones there

[22:10:02]

opello:

b or B isn't a good distinction, which is why we have GB and GiB :)

[22:10:04]

charwood:

Tronic: I suppose next you'll want to know if I mean gigabytes or gibabytes. (-8

[22:10:07]

GreyFoxx:

You could symlink it to the proper location

[22:10:11]

opello:

heh

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chuk:

but it doesn't sound like its setup properly

[22:10:17]

Tronic:

charwood: You mean gibibytes? :)

[22:10:18]

chuk:

is it a ./configure option?

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GreyFoxx:

No

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charwood:

Tronic: I hate you. (-8

[22:10:27]

Milosch:

jigglebytes

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GreyFoxx:

It's PREFIX/share/themes

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Tronic:

charwood: I don't really care, as the difference is neglible anyway.

[22:10:59]

chuk:

oh, so it is set by ./configure

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charwood:

Tronic: It's what I deserve. I am a computer programmer after all, I should probably be accurate about such things.

[22:11:02]

GreyFoxx:

so someone compiled yours with a prefix of /usr/bin instead of /usr or /usr/local

[22:11:06]

GreyFoxx:

the prefix is yes

[22:11:07]

chuk:

right

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chuk:

gotit

[22:11:23]

chuk:

that someone is me, but I did the .configure again

[22:11:27]

Milosch:

i wonder what make uninstall would do there ;)

[22:11:27]

chuk:

maybe I needed to make clean

[22:11:44]

Milosch:

would it unlink /usr/bin ?

[22:11:57]

Tronic:

IMO gigas are good for "it is something around 10^9" and gibis should be used when one wants to be specific about it being exactly 2^30.

[22:11:58]

Milosch:

that would rock

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Milosch:

and then sometimes it's contextually clear what someone is talking about, and also not particularly pertinent

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Tronic:

I would prefer USB memory manufacturers to report their capacities properly, though. Some use gigas, some use gibis, some do something in between, but all of them mark it with "GB" or "MB", with power-of-two values, on the package.

[22:14:04]

opello:

Tronic: but pedantry about it doesn't help anyone

[22:14:26]

charwood:

Tronic: "something in between"?

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Milosch:

how many nibbles is that

[22:14:35]

charwood:

Tronic: That's a scary thought.

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Jenetik:

hmm

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charwood:

Maybe multiples of 1020 or something.

[22:15:36]

Jenetik:

Anyone know why when I scan for a transponder using mythtv, I get a 80/80% lock on the signal and then it says "timeout — no tables found" and no channels are ever found.. ?

[22:15:59]

Milosch:

similar to your 500W car amp, not RMS, but p2p for all 4 channels combined, RMS per channel would be in the neighborhood of 40W, oops, they spec

[22:16:12]

Milosch:

'd into 4 ohms, so you only get 20

[22:16:18]

Milosch:

with 8 ohm speakers

[22:16:36]

Milosch:

kinda different

[22:17:23]

juski:

Milosch: heh. my car stereo is like 500MW PPPPPPPMPO :-P

[22:17:33]

juski:

into 0.1 Ohms

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Milosch:

and usually it's one chip, powered by linear supply and most likely from 12V directly

[22:17:44]

Milosch:

heh

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juski:

no wait. it's 0.1 Mho

[22:18:07]

Milosch:

nice

[22:18:28]

juski:

oh wait. I just made all that up. hey I could spec amps for a living!

[22:18:44]

Milosch:

memories of the stereo warehouse store bs

[22:18:58]

Milosch:

stereo warehouse and meth lab

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Milosch:

charwood: otoh, i have 16 listed HD channels under 20mi away and at roughly the same direction...

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maek:

can someone help me with this. what should I have the res on my xorg.conf set to? my tv seems to be showing 1024x768 but I read in the manual it was 720x480

[22:31:27]

maek:

does mythtv just streatch the picture?

[22:34:38]

hugolp:

maek explain that better

[22:34:45]

hugolp:

what are you trying to do?

[22:38:23]

maek:

hugolp: sorry to ask and then have to run. something came up. thanks

[22:38:58]

juski:

if your're working with NTSC & using a SDTV to display on, you should run X at as near to 720x480 as you can -less work for your CPU to do

[22:39:43]

hugolp:

juski your theme is just amazing

[22:39:48]

hugolp:

youve done a great job

[22:40:23]

juski:

I always try not to make a half-arsed attempt

[22:40:37]

juski:

well, after ProjectGrayhem anyway ;)

[22:41:03]

hugolp:

juski you are british right?

[22:41:29]

juski:

English, actually

[22:41:34]

hugolp:

XD

[22:41:43]

hugolp:

I live a couple of years in London

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juski:

nothing against Scotland, Northern Ireland or Wales.. I just prefer to call myself English

[22:42:25]

hugolp:

Do you know a proper source of xmltv for spain? or any spanish mythtv user that can give me advice?

[22:43:07]

juski:

hugolp: mythtvtalk.com has a Spanish area

[22:43:38]

hugolp:

thanks, I am going to check

[22:44:27]

hugolp:

juski why did you said linuxmce was a bluf?

[22:44:38]

chuk:

do most US cable providers provide guide data via EIT?

[22:46:37]

juski:

I didn't say it was a bluff. I said it was the usual digg hype stuff. All trumpet & very little substance

[22:46:46]

juski:

looks promising though

[22:47:13]

juski:

folks tend to wet their pants way too easily these days

[22:49:09]

rokstar:

when I initiate the mytharchive, my computer starts a ffmpeg job that doesn't actually seem to do anything

[22:49:24]

rokstar:

top reports that it is running but the file that it is trying to create doesn't increase in size

[22:49:55]

hugolp:

juski I plan to code the voice implementation part of linuxmce

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rokstar:

given the command that is running i'm guessing that it is trying to resize the resolution on the file but the tmp file it trys to create never grows and the process just continues to run

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hugolp:

I actually plan to implement a combination of voice and wiimote to control the whole system

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juski:

hugolp: good for you. so it's not just a one guy operation now?

[22:51:36]

juski:

I never said it's not a good thing. I didn't say that nice things might come mythtv's way because of it ;)

[22:52:03]

hugolp:

Its going to be a two guis operation now

[22:52:04]

hugolp:

XD

[22:52:13]

juski:

just everybody yelling it was the awesomest thing since air was a bit over the top I thought

[22:52:22]

juski:

anyway...

[22:52:24]

hugolp:

juski its still early

[22:52:31]

hugolp:

need to be clean up and improved

[22:52:48]

hugolp:

but I think if its done properly can do a lot to get linux to peoples home

[22:52:55]

juski:

yeah maybe

[22:53:04]

hugolp:

I would never trust a windows system to control my house

[22:53:28]

juski:

I'm doing my bit to get mythtv to more of a zeroconf state right now.. at least for UK people

[22:53:54]

hugolp:

zeroconf?

[22:54:11]

juski:

hugolp: I used to work with somebody who had a win95 machine doing all his HA.. the kitchen lightswitch was hooked up to it & often took up to 30 secs to turn on!

[22:54:43]

juski:

hugolp: wizard-based.. configured channels based on info you give it, with a database behind it

[22:55:01]

juski:

making the data files now.. it's going to take a while

[22:55:12]

hugolp:

juski you shouldnt do that

[22:55:32]

hugolp:

you should charge your neighbours to intall mythtv

[22:55:33]

hugolp:

XD

[22:55:37]

rokstar:

can anyone help me with a mytharchive problem?

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hugolp:

rokstar: go on

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juski:

rokstar: if you have a pvr tuner card, record at 720x480 instead of 480x480 then ffmpeg won't need to resize the recordings ;)

[22:56:47]

rokstar:

juski: I am now, but I want to archive the ones I already have

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rokstar:

hugolp: the ffmpeg command seems to just keep on going but not doing anything

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juski:

rokstar: well, in the log mytharchive produces, it tells you the command it's using. so – if you try the command from the command prompt you can maybe find out what's going wrong

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rokstar:

is it normal for the file that it is trying to create remains 0 in size?

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rokstar:

juski: i'll give that a whirl, not a bad idea

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hugolp:

Im coming back in a moment

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hugolp:

I am going to try kopete

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juski:

MrGeoff: more than likely it's just playback which is jerky

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juski:

after all, only playback needs a lot of grunt

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MrGeoff:

Playback is on a remote frontend.

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juski:

this madwifi card thing.. it's a wired AND wireless card on one PCI card?

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MrGeoff:

No, wired is onboard, madwifi is a D-Link DWL-G510 Rev. A.

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MrGeoff:

PCI

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juski:

I'd say sack the wireless card & use a standalone AP & see how you go

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MrGeoff:

Yeah that would probably work, I'm just trying to avoid having another box on my shelf and taking up an outlet.

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juski:

heh I'm no big fan of wall warts either

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Jenetik:

Anyone know why when I scan for a transponder using mythtv, I get a 80/80% lock on the signal and then it says "timeout — no tables found" and no channels are ever found.. ?

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juski:

actually with dvb-s you should always give it one transponder to tune to.. one you know the details of

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juski:

if you're in Germany, look in the Ubuntu section on www.mythwiki.de

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juski:

some good tips there

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Jenetik:

yes I have

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Jenetik:

I'm in the US

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Jenetik:

I get no tables on all the transponders I try

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juski:

well, if you're trying one of those encrippled birds, I'd suggest that's why

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Jenetik:

no, I'm trying to get NASA

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juski:

tried kaffeine ?

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Jenetik:

yeah, similiar error

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juski:

if kaffeine doesn't work, mythtv isn't gonna

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hugolp:

hi

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Jenetik:

Invalid section length or timeout: pid=17

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Jenetik:

it locks and then prints that out

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hugolp:

Jenetik: I have crappy reception as well

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hugolp:

it sucks

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Jenetik:

uhhh

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juski:

you sure your dish is aligned right?

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Jenetik:

yes

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Jenetik:

I'm getting signal locks

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juski:

100% positive?

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Jenetik:

yes

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Jenetik:

for some reason I think I'm using the wrong LNB frequency

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juski:

I dunno what else to suggest. don't get many english speaking dvb-s users here. you can check the logs to see that

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Jenetik:

I have one LNB pointed to 119W

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Jenetik:

and no diseqc

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juski:

tried searching the mailing list archives?

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Jenetik:

yeah

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Jenetik:

I have a post on happysat now

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Jenetik:

waiting for a reply

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Jenetik:

this is a bitch

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hound:

Are you trying to pick up the cband transmissions?

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Jenetik:

no

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Jenetik:

its Right Circular

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Jenetik:

dishnet

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juski:

make it _your_ bitch – problem solved ;)

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hound:

just curious, I don't have any answers.

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hugolp:

juski: is there a plugin for mythtv to listen to internet radios?

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Jenetik:

some dude posted on a forum this

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Jenetik:

TV|nasa|4130(2)|4131,|0|213|0|SDISH-119.0W|12370|20000|v|-1|-1|-1|-1|-1|-1|-1|-1 |2|||

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Jenetik:

what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

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Jenetik:

4130?

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Jenetik:

-1-1-1–1?

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juski:

hugolp: mythstream. an unofficial plugin

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juski:

or there are patches for mythmusic to play shoutcast streams

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Como|Lappy:

i downloaded the plugins packages and compiled the ones i wanted- is there something special i need to do to insert them into mythtv?

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hugolp:

juski: have you tried mythstream?

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hugolp:

how stable is it?

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juski:

hugolp: or add a menu item in an xml file to launch an external player pointed at a URL :)

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juski:

hugolp: it works in minimyth just fine most of the time

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juski:

Como|Lappy: if you compile plugins & want them to work you need to compile mythtv from source too.. and install mythtv FIRST from source

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Como|Lappy:

yes, i compiled mythtv last week and its working, i wanted to add a few plugins

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Como|Lappy:

all of the readme files that come with them say what to run, but not where to run it, and where the files should be

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juski:

Como|Lappy: just make sure the plugins are the same lib version – basically from the same svn checkout -

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juski:

./configure, then make, then make install.. ta-da

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Como|Lappy:

i ran that in the mythplugins directory

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juski:

then run mythfrontend & it should find the plugins

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Como|Lappy:

but should the mythplugins dir be inside the mythtv dir?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

doesn't matter

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Como|Lappy:

so if i just exit the frontend and restart it i should have new toys

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juski:

you'd not even tried that?! sheesh man

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Como|Lappy:

heh

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Como|Lappy:

im scared to break it ;)

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Como|Lappy:

that and im not actually at the box

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juski:

it only looks for plugins when it starts, you dumbass ;)

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Como|Lappy:

well i figured that, i diddnt want to make the effort to restart it if i compiled the plugins wrong *rolls eyes*

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juski:

whaddya want it to do? poll directories for plugin libraries? ;)

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Como|Lappy:

i should probably restart the backend too

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juski:

don't answer that

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juski:

shouldn't have to restart the backend

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Como|Lappy:

really? even for mythburn?

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juski:

it won't harm though

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juski:

myth*archive* not mythburn

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Como|Lappy:

right, right- my bad

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** juski is an annoying pedant **

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Como|Lappy:

sorry, i asked what to use and someone said mythburn a while ago, took me a while to figure out that mytharchive is what does that now

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Como|Lappy:

:p

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Como|Lappy:

well i restarted the frontend, but im not seeing anything different

[23:28:33]

Como|Lappy:

would it be obvious?

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juski:

mythburn still exists AFAIK.. part of knoppmyth

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juski:

Como|Lappy: depends on the plugins you compiled

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juski:

mythmusic & mythvideo would appear in 'media library'

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juski:

mytharchive appears in CD/DVD

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Como|Lappy:

then something diddnt work

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juski:

you forgot to make install huh?

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juski:

as a rooty user

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Como|Lappy:

i compiled mythmusic, mythvideo, mytharchive, mythdvd, mythweather, and maybe some others

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juski:

other than the prefix dir there's not much can go wrong. hell if it doesn't go wrong when I do it from memory...

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Como|Lappy:

you might be right, maybe i did forget make install

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Como|Lappy:

not like me, though

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** Como|Lappy checks bash history **

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Como|Lappy:

huh.

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Como|Lappy:

guess i lose the prize

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Como|Lappy:

hey look, more buttons

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Como|Lappy:

thanks juski

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juski:

no problem :)

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juski:

been feeling warm & very fuzzy today

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baxter_kylie:

Argh. Any help would be appreciated. I cannot, for the life of me, seem to be able to tune analog channels on my pchdtv card. If I scan for channels they lock and add but I can't view them.

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hugolp:

baxter I have shity reception and it happens the same to me

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hugolp:

I detect some chanels but there is no way I can see them

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