Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, April 21st, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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cheeseboy:

please?

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goreguts:

quick question, should i use xfs or jfs??

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ghmd:

I normally use XFS

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Kazan:

rotfl

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Kazan:

i raised my HD antenna 4 inches

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Kazan:

the difference? 53% signal before

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Kazan:

94% signal after

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Kazan:

watching grey's anatomy in HD

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Kazan:

cpu usage 43%

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ghmd:

i only get crazy religious talk ota. :(

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Kazan:

ouch

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Kazan:

i get like... five stations

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ghmd:

not even in HD

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Kazan:

but data direct has the wrong ID for one of them

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ghmd:

just 5 digital channels

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Kazan:

the one station doesn't normally braodcast HD.. but it does on certain shows

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Kazan:

how do i turn OSD fading off?

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ghmd:

no idea, i'd like to know

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ghmd:

because it lags for me on hd streams

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Kazan:

same here

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Kazan:

HD streams studder a lot for me too

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Kazan:

but my CPU usage isn't going over 50%

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Kazan:

i really home i get this ironed out

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Kazan:

listings say one of the harry potter movies is being broadcast in HD tommorow

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Kazan:

afk to oogle the HD

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Kazan:

i think rebooting my system may help

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Kazan:

but that'll have to wait until a recording gap

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** TSCHAK is mythfillingdatabase for the hd source **

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TSCHAK:

god i am so freakin anxious

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ghmd:

ah, backend and frontend aer the same machine then?

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majesty:

hmm

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Kazan:

meng

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Kazan:

what is considered a good SNR on ATSC?

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Dagmar:

Damn I am out of shape with perl

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TSCHAK:

what does it mean

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TSCHAK:

when I have a "partial lock" ?

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Kazan:

not completely sure

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Kazan:

but there appear to be like five componants to lock from watching it lockon

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Kazan:

apparently to remove fading it requires hacking your theme ghmd

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ghmd:

ah, guessed that might be it

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TSCHAK:

ok stupid question

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TSCHAK:

do i _HAVE_ to have XvMC to view hdtv?

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TSCHAK:

(just asking because it takes a while to compile myth) :-P

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Kazan:

maybe

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Kazan:

depends on your processor

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Kazan:

what is your processor

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TSCHAK:

2.0Ghz pentium M

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

i'd recommend xvmc

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ghmd:

bi

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ghmd:

you don't need it

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Kazan:

hmm.... i need a filter for this to purge noise off the line

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ghmd:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 2.00GHz

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ghmd:

plays HDTV fine without XvMC, linear blend deinterlacing

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ghmd:

with an intel i915/gma900 (i810), 7300gs, or 7600gs gpu

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TSCHAK:

do i need to deinterlace the hdtv when slamming to an hdtv display?

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ghmd:

only if its 1080i

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TSCHAK:

i am using a high end nvidia gpu.

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TSCHAK:

ok.

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ghmd:

you can use XvMC if you awnt

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ghmd:

*want

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ghmd:

its worth compiling in

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ghmd:

but you probably won't

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TSCHAK:

I accidentally enabled the opengl-xvmc surface texture in svn

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TSCHAK:

and myth went ballistic, i didn't see this feature a couple weeks ago so i guess this is brand new

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ghmd:

i like linear blend deinterlacing over xvmc's bob

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ghmd:

what system are you using a Pentium M in?

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TSCHAK:

you're gonna laugh

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TSCHAK:

i didn't have an htpc here, i moved into a teeny little apt

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TSCHAK:

sooooo

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TSCHAK:

i re-tasked my laptop

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TSCHAK:

:-P

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ghmd:

good idea

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ghmd:

when I replace my current laptop it might be turned into a HTPC

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TSCHAK:

it's been running myth in SD for about a month straight perfectly

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ghmd:

the pentium m 2.0ghz has been able to play nearly everything i've ever thrown at it

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ghmd:

in my shuttle sff htpc

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TSCHAK:

and i've run mythtv for about 3 years, in various places.

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TSCHAK:

the largest installation being for my father at his country house... tv in every room, myth frontend in every room, one backend

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ghmd:

niec

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ghmd:

*niec

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ghmd:

*nice

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ghmd:

this wireless keyboard i bought isn't the greatest

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TSCHAK:

now what I WANNA try out at some point

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ghmd:

but none of them are at the price range i got

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TSCHAK:

is LinuxMCE

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TSCHAK:

to see what they've done with the core myth stuff

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ghmd:

ah

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ghmd:

I saw the screenshots and I wasn't too interested

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TSCHAK:

because it looks just, holy shit jaw dropping fucking holy crap

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TSCHAK:

ghmd, don't bother with the screenshots

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TSCHAK:

ghmd, watch the screencast.

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TSCHAK:

the screenshots DO NOT do it justice

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planktonboy:

/msg NickServ IDENTIFY <Be3RGut>

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Dagmar:

w00T!

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Dagmar:

New ids!

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Dagmar:

Hint: Use /quote ns <command>

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planktonboy:

damn...had a few too many :)

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Dagmar:

On this network, you can be *guaranteed* that those commands will go to NickServ and ONLY NickServ in case you fumble and typo "NickServ"

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ghmd:

I wnoder if my 2.4ghz band is overcrowded... two wifi networks, 2 bluetooth phones, one bluetooth mouse, two bluetooth computers

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ghmd:

plus my 2.4ghz keyboard that is failing occasionally

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Dagmar:

ghmd: Jump 'em off channel 6 to say, 11

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Dagmar:

My Wii gets crap throughput on channel 6 for that reason

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ghmd:

i see

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planktonboy:

did I mess that up?

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Dagmar:

I moved my ap to 11 and the problem went right away

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ghmd:

the wifi networks work fine

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ghmd:

so far

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Dagmar:

planktonboy: Only if you didn't want me to see your password for Nickserv

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ghmd:

at least, no one has complained.. I'm right next to the AP I use

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planktonboy:

LOL

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planktonboy:

haha

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planktonboy:

yeah...a few too many beers

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Dagmar:

Using /quote won't fix that, but it will mean you don't have to type out "NickServ" anymore

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planktonboy:

cant type properoly

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Dagmar:

I just finally hard-coded it into my client

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Kazan:

anyway of cleaning up my ATSC signals

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Kazan:

my signal strength is all over the place

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Kazan:

and i think there is a lot of noise

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Kazan:

i have a 10DB boosting antenna

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planktonboy:

chee3rs...will remember that

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planktonboy:

love you guys

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planktonboy:

been awesome doing this mythtv project

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Dagmar:

Jesus I am definitely rusty with perl

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Dagmar:

I just spent an hour trying to figure out what was wrong when I was using = instead of eq to do a string match

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

Now I get to go through my damn SVG templates and change all the labels on the objects, but at least I have the code working to extract their coordinates now

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planktonboy:

Dag yeah thats really annoying isn't it...and all that time if only you had asked someone who knew that eq didnt mean the same as =

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planktonboy:

kidding...but i know what you mean though...I gess that's the name of the game

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Dagmar:

I've only written a few million lines of perl, but it's been a couple of years since I've had to do anything serious with it, and mainly I've been writing bash scripts by the ton lately

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Dagmar:

...and we all know bash scripting causes brain damage.

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planktonboy:

its easy when you know how...but finding out is the hard part

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planktonboy:

cool..yeah I want to try learnign some perl

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Dagmar:

It's a damn EASY language to learn

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planktonboy:

so I heard

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Dagmar:

I had to learn it when I started working at a dial-up ISP

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planktonboy:

easy to learn but hardto master..a bit like the guitar

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Dagmar:

It took me all of a week to figure out the basics

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Dagmar:

I had to convert the company's existing whois data to rwhois because InterNIC was on a "we will not allow you people to drive us crazy with whois updates" kick

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Dagmar:

...otherwise they were refusing to give us another class C

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Dagmar:

So like, of COURSE the moment I finished the code and wrote a damn server for it, they dropped the @#$@ requirement

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planktonboy:

nice

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Dagmar:

I'd never actually said "I fucking hate you people" to any company on the phone until then

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planktonboy:

LOL

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Dagmar:

Seriously. That was two weeks' work wasted there

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planktonboy:

ROTFL

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planktonboy:

yeash for sure

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planktonboy:

bummer sometimes

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Dagmar:

I was getting approval to release the server code, too.

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planktonboy:

sounds cool

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Dagmar:

I wonder how many angry emails I'm going to get after I release this theme

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Dagmar:

GOod thing none of the complaints will be in ENglish. ;)

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planktonboy:

welll, just write a script to send them to /dev/null

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planktonboy:

:)

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Dagmar:

My good buddy rattle suggested I make the buttons appear to draw in submenus as one goes along

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TSCHAK:

ok final stupid question

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TSCHAK:

does the SD stuff also come out through the firewire?

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Dagmar:

...which is going to mean even MORE evil trickery and flat out *forbidding* people to use menu themes

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TSCHAK:

or do I have to filter out the nonHD channels from the firewire port?

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Dagmar:

TSCHAK: It *should*

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TSCHAK:

ok

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TSCHAK:

i'm getting partial locks even on the SD OTA stuff

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TSCHAK:

but they DID say wait 24 hours

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TSCHAK:

ok i guess i wait.

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planktonboy:

I like that...I'm going to use that more....it sounds like send them all to hell

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ghmd:

I would think that it would only do it if it's digital

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planktonboy:

sned them all to /dev/null

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

send even

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Dagmar:

I would assume that he's using a digital cable box

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Dagmar:

Most of them don't typically do analog

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ghmd:

o rly.

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ghmd:

in north america they do.

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planktonboy:

yeah?

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ghmd:

but some cable networks have been simulcasting the analog channels digitally too, as bandwidth becomes available

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Dagmar:

Ah, the ones comcast uses here pretty much hide the analog channels from you

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ghmd:

they'll most likely tune analog

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ghmd:

on the Passport Echo OS, the diagnostic menu will tune to analog channels

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Dagmar:

Oh wow

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Dagmar:

GOogle has an RSS feed aggregator now

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Dagmar:

Damn them

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Dagmar:

They're making new features faster than I can keep track of them

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opello:

google reader is real handy

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Dagmar:

I wonder

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Dagmar:

nevermind

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Dagmar:

I've stressed myself out enough over this today

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planktonboy:

gotta go sleep...night Dag, night all :)

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Dagmar:

nite

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planktonboy:

cheers mate have a good un

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Dagmar:

I guess I can apply background images to any ui element I want

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planktonboy:

:))

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Dagmar:

I was wondering why some of the elements have an area defined to them, and then another area within them

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Dagmar:

...but at this point the coffee I've been drinking all day is making me a little squirrely

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ghmd:

hrm..just thought of something.. could SpeedStep cause very slight skipping issues during video playback? CPU is 2.00GHz Pentium M

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Dagmar:

Could be

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Dagmar:

You might want to change to using the 'conservative' governor

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Dagmar:

It'll make it take it's time about changing the CPU speed

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Dagmar:

The 'ondemand' governor will swich speeds really fast, and it may be trying to downlock at inopportune moments

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ghmd:

cpufreq_ondemand appears to be in use

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Dagmar:

It might make it a little slow to catch on that you're playing video tho

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Dagmar:

I *think* you can tweak how quick it is to change speeds tho

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Dagmar:

Maybe make it very quick to upclock and slow to downclock

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Dagmar:

I'm still kinda exploiring all that mess now that I have this centrino-based notebook

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ghmd:

i'm not actually using a notebook... so i dont think kubuntu identified this machine as one

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm using Slackware and PV doens't even build that package

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ghmd:

the cpu applet didn't show up by default

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Dagmar:

...so I made some

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ghmd:

*however* it does use the 915gm mobile chipset

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Dagmar:

KDE or Gnome?

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ghmd:

kde

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

I'm still working on the init script for my cpufreq package

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Dagmar:

...although I begin to suspect it's not even all that damn necessary

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ghmd:

I haven't used slackware in like 5 years

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm one of those "evil" Dropline people

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Dagmar:

I'm not going to push to add the cpufreqd packages to our stuff until I'm 100% sure I know exactly what should be done

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Dagmar:

So far i've figured out that SMP boxes damn well better use conservative instead of ondemand, but that's abgout it

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Dagmar:

I have to look into whether the acutal kernelspace governors can be told to care if the machine is on AC or not

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Dagmar:

THis stuff is all point and shoot under Windows, so I *should* be able to do that same kinda schtick with Linux

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Dagmar:

It's just going to take a lot more research

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Dagmar:

I prefer my binary packages have no user-configurable items

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ghmd:

i dont like how it works in windows

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ghmd:

seems either you can have it enabled and working in the kernel

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Dagmar:

It generally elimninates all those pesky user support questions

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ghmd:

or control it from userspace and have lag during changes

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Dagmar:

Well, the userspace daemon is somewhat dependent on signals from ACPI

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ghmd:

I don't use Linux on my laptop, mainly because the graphic drivers aren't up to par yet

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Dagmar:

You might want to try the new kernels then

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ghmd:

(well, they almost are)

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Dagmar:

I've got a SOny Vaio VGN something or other (can't read the damn label in this light) and it's got the 915GM video chipset

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Dagmar:

Zero problems

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ghmd:

the i810 driver has reasonable multi-monitor support now... but it only supports glx up to 2048x2048

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ghmd:

i like 2560x1024

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Dagmar:

What the hell kinda monitor do you have that that's an issue?

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ghmd:

dual monitors

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Dagmar:

Ah

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ghmd:

the i810 driver is actually the most advanced

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Dagmar:

I was almost about to buy a used monitor off someone last week because it was a 21" with absurd resolution support

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Dagmar:

...but it wasn't THAT high. Heh

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Dagmar:

I would have to take a saw to parts of my desk for that thing

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ghmd:

lol

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ghmd:

2560x1024 is just two 1280x1024 standard LCD panels

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Dagmar:

19" is as big as I can mount in the middle, and I've got a 17" squeezed into the cubby next to it

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Dagmar:

I'm running one at 1600x1200 and the other at 1280x1024

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Dagmar:

It freaks out a few apps when I slide them from one to the other, but it's getting better with the new X

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ghmd:

yeah

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ghmd:

so you're using the x.org 7.3 from -current?

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Dagmar:

No, still 6.9 actually

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ghmd:

oh

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ghmd:

you should uprgaed

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ghmd:

*upgrade

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ghmd:

to try it out

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Dagmar:

Regardless of what you may have heard, we do NOT deviate from Slackware release packages any more than necessary on our devel boxes

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Dagmar:

I'm kinda in the middle of banging the stupid out of the Gnome 2.18 packages at the moment, so I don't really have time to mess with the newest yet

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ghmd:

ah

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ghmd:

the randr 1.2 stuff is nice, you can dynamically change configuration just like in windows... just won't work with direct rendering above 2048x2048 unless you have the latest intel 965 chipset

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Dagmar:

Once I get that sorted out tho, I'll pretty much have to try the newer X

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ghmd:

that's the absolute last thing keeping me from ditching XP

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Dagmar:

THe build engine we use I have got to upgrade considerably to make it so we're not manually plodding through all four million component pakcages for X

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Dagmar:

I've been putting that off because it basically involves completing the dependency resolution routines

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Dagmar:

...and doing that in bash is like cleaning the Aegean Stables with a small soup spoon

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ghmd:

lol

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Dagmar:

I would use perl in a second, but I intend by the end of this year to brutally eliminate some of the crap Slackware users are doing to us

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Dagmar:

I'm flat out building dependency manageent into the Dropline installer, and making it able to tell if the user isn't keeping their base packages in sync with Pat's... and upgrading htem as necessary when they're not

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Dagmar:

Talk about assembling list after list after list in shell scripting tho... it's a nightmare to look at

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ghmd:

shell scripting scares me... ive only done serious work in compiled languages

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Dagmar:

I'm sure some people will complain that it'll take ages for the thing to find Slackware packages, but that's mainly the fault of a lot of Slackware mirrors being a bit screwed up

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Dagmar:

...therefore I have to seriously upgrade the file downloader routines

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Dagmar:

Well, the lack of associative arrays in bash makes this very painful

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Dagmar:

Like, what we have now cycles through sourceforge mirrors until it gets one that has the file it wants

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Dagmar:

Most of the time their mirrors stay in sync

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ghmd:

ah

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Dagmar:

That didn't require a lot of things aside from just the one array

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Kazan:

lowering the UHF loop on my HDTV antenna seems to have fixed my signal issues

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Dagmar:

Adding multiple repo sources tho, like one for Slackware-base and one for Slackware-patches.... that's where things get ugly fast

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ghmd:

I wonder what I'd get with a real antenna

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Dagmar:

Put one up and find out

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ghmd:

I'm 25 mi away from any digital TV signals worth watching

[01:54:16]

Dagmar:

I cheat with mine

[01:54:23]

Dagmar:

I stick 'em on the back of posters and mount the posters on the wall

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ghmd:

time warner QAM has everything I want so far

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Dagmar:

25mi isn't all that far

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Dagmar:

Not for TV stuff anywya

[01:55:28]

Dagmar:

You probably don't have a lot of hills to contend with either

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ghmd:

with the pair of rabbit ears that's been in the basement since the week between moving in and getting cable installed...

[01:55:47]

Dagmar:

Here in TN, you either get cable, or you get to put serious thought into ghost elimination

[01:56:02]

Tanthrix:

Friggin dead pixel won't go away. There's no free lunch, it seems.

[01:56:15]

Dagmar:

Use a fine-tipped sharpie. ;)

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ghmd:

my tuner identifies some of the major channels as being digital 8vsb, and sometimes even shows the symbol rate

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Dagmar:

crap

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Dagmar:

@#$!@$

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ghmd:

but won't actually read the tables

[01:57:00]

Dagmar:

I forgot to schedule SG to record

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ghmd:

my TV has one dead pixel... I can only see it on the 0 in Xbox 360

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ghmd:

when it boots

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TSCHAK:

what could be the problem when it says, "Error was encountered while displaying video."

[01:58:10]

Dagmar:

Many things

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ghmd:

what's your source?

[01:58:24]

Tanthrix:

This one has a little halo around it sometimes, though the halo may be in my head ;)

[01:58:39]

Kazan:

is there a way to make sure only HD broadcasts of a certain show are recorded?

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ghmd:

I've only seen that when DVB was untunable... e.g. someone didn't secure the dish well enough, or the stream isn't decodable MPEG

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TSCHAK:

ghmd, Dagmar, HDTV over firewire.

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ghmd:

if it is sending a bitstream... my guess is it's not MPEG (possibly encrypted? that makes no sense though)

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TSCHAK:

ghmd, Dagmar, This even happens when i get a Lock ... but it's been constant since I switched to my TV display (I am waiting on my HDTV to get here, so I am using my TV out on my video card...)

[02:00:14]

TSCHAK:

but

[02:00:17]

TSCHAK:

i can get it via PIP

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ghmd:

I've never used FireWire

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ghmd:

hrm

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ghmd:

I would try recording something and then playing the recording...

[02:01:05]

ghmd:

I actually did have that problem once on an old laptop with a Mobility Radeon (original)... live TV didn't work, ever, only recordings did

[02:01:07]

Dagmar:

TSCHAK: Mebbe upgrade to 0.20-fixes

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TSCHAK:

I'm using SVN.

[02:01:22]

Dagmar:

That sounds like a problem with the Radeon driver

[02:01:24]

Dagmar:

Ah

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ghmd:

yeah, it is

[02:01:30]

Tanthrix:

Man this TV puts out a lot of heat

[02:01:36]

ghmd:

what kind?

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TSCHAK:

hmmm i'm gonna try rebuilding with XvMC now.

[02:01:45]

Tanthrix:

The whole room is noticably a few degrees warmer

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Dagmar:

I would not use SVN head unless you _absolutely_ know there's a feature it has that you _need_

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Dagmar:

THe thing changes too much

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ghmd:

my 37" lcd uses more power than everything else in my setup

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ghmd:

combined..

[02:02:13]

ghmd:

and it gets noticably hotter

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Tanthrix:

ghmd: 42 inch Sharp Aquos

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ghmd:

that'll do it

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Dagmar:

TSCHAK: Note, do not enable xvmc-opengl

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Dagmar:

I think that's still broken

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ghmd:

I should plug in my killawatt one day and see how much power my tv actually uses

[02:02:57]

Tanthrix:

And it makes a weird clanky sound when turning on, and every once in a while after it's turned off which is slightly unnerving

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Dagmar:

--enable-xvmc and --enable-opengl-vsync should work

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ghmd:

ouch

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Tanthrix:

Similar to a relay closing, so I think it's normal

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TSCHAK:

Dagmar, yup, it is

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Dagmar:

Oh that "clunking" sound it the degausser

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ghmd:

sharp aquos is LCD correct?

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TSCHAK:

Dagmar, I already made that mistake

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TSCHAK:

hehehe

[02:03:43]

TSCHAK:

i love testing svn to see what i can break

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TSCHAK:

hehehe

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Didn't know you had to degauss LCDs ;)

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Dagmar:

Oh, that's an LCD making a big noise??

[02:03:59]

Dagmar:

THat's not good

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ghmd:

my LCD is silent

[02:04:16]

Dagmar:

THat's very not good

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Possibly. Like I said, sounds similar to a relay, so it might be normal

[02:05:08]

ghmd:

FWIW... I've owned two LCD TVs (Westinghouse 32" and 37" 1080p) and they have never made any noises

[02:05:18]

ghmd:

once I turned the volume to zero that is

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Tanthrix:

Yah, my LVM-37W3 was completely quiet as well.

[02:05:49]

ghmd:

i'm too poor to upgrade :(

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: See, the problem there is no one should be using mechanical relays anymore

[02:06:09]

Dagmar:

There are these things called optocouplers that make them quite obsolete

[02:06:11]

ghmd:

although... I was tempted by a 42" on woot awhile back

[02:06:19]

Dagmar:

God woot is evil

[02:06:32]

ghmd:

it was $200 less than I paid for this one...

[02:06:36]

Dagmar:

Every time they have a projector I can deal with, it sells out in about an hour

[02:06:40]

ghmd:

and 5" bigger.. and 1080p

[02:06:55]

Dagmar:

I want one for $300 or so that doesn't use bulbs that are equally expensive

[02:07:06]

ghmd:

my uncle has a 480p LCD projector that was $400

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Dagmar:

Definitely call 'em on MOnday

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ghmd:

not too bad... $200 for bulbs

[02:07:26]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking about just building one

[02:07:35]

ghmd:

err

[02:07:41]

Dagmar:

Yep

[02:07:49]

Dagmar:

I gots construction skills

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ghmd:

how does one do that?

[02:07:59]

Dagmar:

I just need to buy an overhead projector and a decent panel

[02:08:17]

ghmd:

is it really that easy?

[02:08:17]

Dagmar:

THen it's just a matter of cutting plastic and wood and adding some cooling fans

[02:08:23]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

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Dagmar:

If you don't mind the damn things being LARGE you can do it with regular light bulbs

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ghmd:

damn that sucks

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Dagmar:

What that guy is describing is basically hte thing *arcing* (shorting) internally

[02:10:44]

Dagmar:

I like the guy who says it will fix itself. ;)

[02:11:04]

Dagmar:

Flyback transformers have that same problem on CRTs

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ghmd:

i got rid of all my CRTs

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Dagmar:

...most of the time the popping is accompanied by the screen going dark a momnet

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ghmd:

after a few months they give me headachesn ow

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ghmd:

*now

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

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Tanthrix:

When I turn the set off it doesn't make the noise, and I can turn the set back on without making the noise as long as I do it quickly.

[02:16:12]

Tanthrix:

Then, after being off for 20 seconds, it makes the sound, and if I turn it back on it then makes the sound.

[02:16:38]

Tanthrix:

And the more I listen to it the more it sounds just like a relay, nor arcing.

[02:18:31]

ghmd:

whoa, 1080p bd-rip only takes 60%of my CPU time

[02:18:46]

Tanthrix:

Must be MPEG2

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ghmd:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

Easy to decode, try VC-1 or h264 and you'll be begging for mercy in linux ;)

[02:19:55]

ghmd:

I have a bbc 1080p h264 file that plays almost completely with mplayer... a slight overclock would make it perfect

[02:20:31]

ghmd:

I have two hddvd rips but mplayer won't play the feature EVOs

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Tanthrix:

It depends on the encoding. I have a BBC file myself that plays decently, but an actual HD-DVD h264 file tops out

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ghmd:

is that with ffmpeg?

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ghmd:

or coreavc

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Tanthrix:

ffmpeg

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ghmd:

ah

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Tanthrix:

Haven't tried getting CoreAVC to work with mplayer

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ghmd:

neither have I... I probably need to recompile mplayer to get it to work with EVOs

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ghmd:

or demux them into something else

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ghmd:

seems I'm only running the ubuntu mplayer package

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Tanthrix:

EVOs work for me, albeit slowly

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TSCHAK:

what are the letters (LAM) in relation to locking a signal?

[03:02:25]

Vini:

I'm trying to do the install

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Vini:

and I keep getting the error that my disk is read only

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Vini:

I tried with my IDE drive and a brand new USB drive

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Vini:

any ideas?

[03:13:21]

Dagmar:

Installing to?

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Dagmar:

...and using what?

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TSCHAK:

hmm I can't find any information as to what (LAM) means when locking a signal.

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tanq:

will myth setup do a dvb scan?

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Solv:

tanq, yes

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Solv:

all the howtos on the net are a bit out of date in that respect...they tell you to use the dvbscan and tzap programs

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ghmd:

its easy enough that you dont really need a howto as long as you know the values for at least one transponder

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ghmd:

(for what I'm aimed at, 12224000 right circular 20000)

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ghmd:

then you do a full transport scan... and it will scan the rest.

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ghmd:

(of course something is wrong with my setup and i only get signals on right circular polarity transponders)

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Staticwave_Ace:

does anyone know of a way to check the signal strength on a line using the PVR-500?

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ffeingol:

if anyone has a spare moment, I'm having a heck of a time with lirc

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Dagmar:

okay

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ffeingol:

sorry, did not see your reply Dagmar. I've installed feisty. I have a mceusb2 remote. The drivers load etc but when I run irw I get nada

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Dagmar:

Hrm.

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ffeingol:

ya :D

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Dagmar:

Do you have a /dev/lircd?

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ffeingol:

crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 61, 0 2007-04–20 22:33 lirc0

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ffeingol:

crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 61, 1 2007-04–20 22:33 lirc1

[04:16:20]

ffeingol:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root root 0 2007-04–20 22:33 lircd

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Dagmar:

Hrm...

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ffeingol:

ya LOL

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Dagmar:

DId you use modprobe to load the module?

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Dagmar:

...or did it *automatically* load?

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ffeingol:

nope. the init script is loading them

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Dagmar:

Did it *stay* loaded?

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ffeingol:

lsmod | egrep mceusb2

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ffeingol:

lirc_mceusb2 14084 0

[04:17:27]

ffeingol:

lirc_dev 15988 2 lirc_imon,lirc_mceusb2

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ffeingol:

usbcore 134280 7 rt73,lirc_imon,lirc_mceusb2,usbhid,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd

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ffeingol:

that is right now

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Dagmar:

Hrm... I don't know about the lirc_imon thing, but it's not worth worrying about now

[04:18:16]

ffeingol:

that is for the video display on this chassis

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Dagmar:

Okay, in a window somewhere do a tail -f /var/log/syslog, and then go and unplug the thing, count to five, and hten plug it back in

[04:18:36]

Dagmar:

lirc_imon is for a video display?

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ffeingol:

I belive so. it's a vfd from memory

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Dagmar:

Watch the syslog and see what it says about your usb reciever thingie

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Dagmar:

I didn't think lirc did any output stuff

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ffeingol:

one se

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Dagmar:

See, the thing *should* identify itself on the bus, and then kmod/udev should just load the module

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Dagmar:

The init script shouldn't need to

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Dagmar:

If anything, we should see the driver module say something I guess

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ffeingol:

Apr 20 23:19:57 mythtv kernel: [ 2840.856383] usb 3–2: USB disconnect, address 3

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ffeingol:

Apr 20 23:19:57 mythtv kernel: [ 2840.857200] lirc_mceusb2[3]: usb remote disconnected

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ffeingol:

Apr 20 23:20:08 mythtv kernel: [ 2851.423989] usb 3–2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4

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ffeingol:

Apr 20 23:20:08 mythtv kernel: [ 2851.606841] usb 3–2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice

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ffeingol:

Apr 20 23:20:08 mythtv kernel: [ 2851.723863] usb 3–2: reset full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4

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ffeingol:

Apr 20 23:20:08 mythtv kernel: [ 2851.882717] lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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Dagmar:

eek

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ffeingol:

Apr 20 23:20:08 mythtv kernel: [ 2851.886636] lirc_mceusb2[4]: Philips eHome Infrared Transceiver on usb3:4

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ffeingol:

is that a good or bad eek? :D

[04:21:09]

Dagmar:

For future reference, if you have more than three lines, do not paste to the channel. Use pastebin.ca or something

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ffeingol:

ko

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Dagmar:

OKay, so at least we know it's figuring out it's there

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Dagmar:

Sample_rate = 0 is fishy tho

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ffeingol:

k. I just followed the feisty community how-to for lirc

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Kazan:

hmm.. i hour of 1080i from ABC over ATSC.. 7gb

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Dagmar:

ffeingol: Try using `mode2`

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ffeingol:

did that too. nada

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ffeingol:

I'll try it on both devices again

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ffeingol:

bingo. looks like I may need to force it to device 1

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Dagmar:

Prolly so then

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Dagmar:

I think the lirc_imon module is for a remote you don't ahve

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Dagmar:

I'd say kill that thing off

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ffeingol:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LCDproc

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ffeingol:

taht is the chassis and you need to to drive the display (unless I'm totally wet)

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sandeen_:

hmm how can I get rid of these...

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sandeen_:

ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /video/1520_20070420215356.mpg. File doesn't exist.

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Dagmar:

WTF is it expecting to get from that in the way of _input_?

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Dagmar:

sandeen: Use touch to _make_ them

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sandeen_:

ooh that's an idea :)

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ffeingol:

yea. now one last one. How do I get the /dev/lirc* 666 on boot or did that not matter

[04:29:02]

sandeen_:

Dagmar, thanks. duh ;-)

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Dagmar:

THat would be a udev rule, BUT

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Dagmar:

What mode is it making them by default now?

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ffeingol:

660

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Dagmar:

...and you're not running lircd *as root*?

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ghmd:

hrm, what's a good transfer rate for a raid5

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Dagmar:

You shouldn't have to be making those 666

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ffeingol:

ko

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Dagmar:

ghmd: In theory number of drives – 1 times the speed of a single drive

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Dagmar:

So like, 33Mb/s drives with 5 drives would be 4 * 33

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Dagmar:

That's theoretical max

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ghmd:

hrm

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Dagmar:

...part of the reason 2-drive raid5 would be stupid

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Dagmar:

Any non-crap controller can stripe read a pair of mirrored disks

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ghmd:

timing buffered disk reads = 67.27mb

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ghmd:

/sec

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ghmd:

and raid5 read 90mbytes/sec

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ghmd:

same w/ write

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Dagmar:

So what bus is this over?

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ghmd:

PCI Express

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

IDE? SATA?

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ghmd:

sata

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ghmd:

filesystem is ext3

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Dagmar:

Sounds like a suck implementation unless you don't have three drives

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Dagmar:

hdparm doesn't give a damn about the fileystsem

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ghmd:

I am using 5 drives

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ghmd:

oh, heh

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ghmd:

hold

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ghmd:

168mb/sec from hdparm

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Dagmar:

pfft

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

I'd say it's workin

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ghmd:

I wonder what my adaptec pci raid card in Windows can do

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ghmd:

compared to this software RAID

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kbidd:

I tried a while back, but havnt looked at it in a while... is there support for the brooktree 878 chipset — if so, where can I look for directions on getting it working?

[04:36:22]

ghmd:

umm

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ghmd:

i think it should work? I used a bt848 a while ago without directions

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Dagmar:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . t=1177130204

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Dagmar:

THat tells you all you need to know

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kbidd:

ghmd, mythtv doesnt detect a capture source

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Dagmar:

You've run out of kittens then

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ghmd:

is the kernel loading the driver?

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kbidd:

not sure... im fairly noobish when it comes to linux... how do i tell?

[04:38:13]

ghmd:

dmesg | grep bt878

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ghmd:

try that

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Dagmar:

See this is one of the problems with that

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Dagmar:

They never even know about driver modules

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Dagmar:

:/

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ghmd:

what distribution are you using?

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kbidd:

ghmd, ubuntu, and the output is along the lines of "tuner 0–0061:chip found @ 0xc1 (bt878 #0 [sw])

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kbidd:

*0xc2, not xc1

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ghmd:

you selected video4linux in myth setup?

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ghmd:

or whatever it is called

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kbidd:

v4l, yes

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ghmd:

hrm.

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ghmd:

can't help you there, sorry.

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kbidd:

had this problem about 8 months ago when i tried too — no luck then either

[04:40:54]

Dagmar:

So do you have a /dev/video*?

[04:41:07]

kbidd:

yes

[04:41:16]

Dagmar:

Have you installed TvTime?

[04:41:16]

nomin:

when I do ffmpeg -i for some .nuv files, the 'duration' is incorrect. I cannot compress these files with ffmpeg when this happens. What is the cause of this?

[04:41:20]

kbidd:

/dev/video0 exists

[04:41:23]

kbidd:

dagmar, no

[04:41:24]

ghmd:

I was using debian testing amd64... a few weeks ago, so it was etch

[04:41:26]

Dagmar:

nomin: ffmpeg being buggy

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ghmd:

and it worked withotu anythign else

[04:41:32]

ffeingol:

Dagmar: thnx for the help. all working now

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Dagmar:

kbidd: Install TVTime. Use TVTime to test basic tuner functionality

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ghmd:

its interesting how my dvb card is called a network controller

[04:42:40]

Dagmar:

Technically it is

[04:42:45]

nomin:

Dagmar: is there a way to get around this bug? I just noticed that the fps is off too. This doesn't happen very often but it's happening with almost all the new recordings I do now.

[04:42:55]

Dagmar:

nomin: Upgrade ffmpeg

[04:43:02]

ghmd:

if only it worked with left circular polarity too

[04:43:11]

Dagmar:

And stop killing kittens you barstard

[04:43:24]

ghmd:

yeah you should get a hw encoding card

[04:43:31]

ghmd:

or just ditch evil analog altogether

[04:43:47]

nomin:

Marker bit missing before time_increment_resolution

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kbidd:

dagmar, just installed tvtime... just getting a blue screen saying "no input"

[04:44:02]

kbidd:

or "no signal" rather

[04:44:10]

nomin:

[mpeg4 @ 0xb7e9e2e8]time_base.den==0 and [mpeg4 @ 0xb7e9e2e8]header damaged

[04:44:50]

Dagmar:

kbidd: OKay, now you get the fun game of checking dmesg output to see if the bttv driver actually detected your tuner chip correctly

[04:45:21]

Dagmar:

This is one of the many reasons why framegrabber cards suck

[04:45:45]

kbidd:

dagmar, on closer inspection, it doesnt appear they did detect it correctly:

[04:45:55]

kbidd:

[ 16.748795] bt878_probe: card id=[0x40111554], Unknown card.

[04:46:00]

kbidd:

[ 16.748809] bt878: probe of 0000:04:02.1 failed with error -22

[04:46:15]

kbidd:

those are the last 2 lines of dmesg | grep bt878

[04:47:13]

Dagmar:

Good luck on that one

[04:48:36]

Dagmar:

For a mere fiddy bucks you can stop killing kittens

[04:49:04]

kbidd:

dagmar, so what do i do since dmesg says it failed?

[04:49:09]

Dagmar:

I have _nine_ brooktree cards of four various types

[04:49:13]

Dagmar:

I do *not* use them anymore.

[04:49:36]

Dagmar:

You get the fun of taking the card out, *looking at it* and then looking up what tuner= parameter to set

[04:49:36]

kbidd:

lol... you think i should just get a different card?

[04:49:41]

Dagmar:

God yes

[04:49:44]

Dagmar:

Buy a PVR-150

[04:50:25]

suNit1sg:

why not a 500 ?!?

[04:50:31]

Dagmar:

I kid you not the difference between using one of those and using a framegrabber card is like night and freakin' day

[04:50:35]

Dagmar:

I have a PVR-500

[04:50:44]

Dagmar:

I just figure most people don't wanna drop $130 on them

[04:51:13]

Dagmar:

NewEgg has the 150's for $50-ish all day long

[04:51:13]

kbidd:

well, theres a wintv-pvr-150 for 68 bucks on newegg

[04:51:18]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I was over at Costco tonight for some groceries and both the 52 inch and 36 inch Aquos there made the exact same sounds turning on and off

[04:51:22]

Staticwave_Ace:

Dagmar: did you have any signal-level issues with the PVR-500?

[04:51:27]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: Lame

[04:51:37]

Dagmar:

Staticwave_Ace: Nope. Both tuners on mine are fine

[04:51:56]

Staticwave_Ace:

I've got Phillips tuners in mine, and they seem to both have weak signal

[04:52:00]

kbidd:

Dagmar, is is a significant enough of an improvement over the brooktree chipset to warrent paying another 70$?

[04:52:04]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Yah, but as long as it's normal I don't really care. A click on and off is irrelevent.

[04:52:10]

Staticwave_Ace:

(when compared to connecting the same line directly to the TV)

[04:52:22]

Dagmar:

Staticwave_Ace: Time to maybe think about plugging the coax straight into a TV to see if it's time to call the cable people and gripe at them

[04:52:25]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Though, it gives me the "potential failure" point feeling, whatever it is. (I don't like things that move or make noise)

[04:52:38]

Staticwave_Ace:

Dagmar: works fine with the TV

[04:52:41]

Dagmar:

Solid state stuff shouldn't make noise like that, IMHO

[04:52:51]

ghmd:

any reason you went with the Aquos anyway? you had a 37w3 before

[04:53:55]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: Well, black level / contrast ratio for one. Also, it ghosted insanely (tested with a flash ghosting test) compared to my 8ms 20 inch monitor, so I think they are lying about the latency.

[04:54:02]

ghmd:

ah

[04:54:04]

Staticwave_Ace:

Dagmar: *some* of the channels look like how a over-the-air signal would look if it wasn't tuned in properly

[04:54:32]

Dagmar:

Staticwave_Ace: Oh well. Don't know what to tell ya aside from read through the docs for the module very thoroughly

[04:54:53]

Dagmar:

There's a bunch of piddly things to fiddle with

[04:54:56]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: Still, it was a good set. A small part of me feels like returning the Aquos and buying the LVM-37W3 on newegg for $1050, since it would save me $500

[04:54:59]

Staticwave_Ace:

Dagmar: where would I find those, I've had issues with that

[04:55:06]

Dagmar:

ivtvdriver.org

[04:55:12]

Dagmar:

...and the stuff wot comes with the source

[04:55:15]

Staticwave_Ace:

well yeah

[04:55:28]

ghmd:

I'm living with the 37W3 until I can afford the space for and a 1080p projector.

[04:55:28]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: But, considering Costco's wonderful return policy and 2 year warranty extension, I'm inclined to buy *everything* there if I can help it.

[04:56:14]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: I also didn't like the banding on the set, but the Aquos has it just as bad or worse. Now that I think about it, I've never seen an LCD that doesn't mess up gradients pretty bad.

[04:56:26]

kbidd:

Dagmar, just looked at it — its a PixelView PlayTV MPEG2 PV-M4900 card — where do i look up the tuner= options?

[04:56:30]

ghmd:

I just shut up and enjoy :D

[04:56:37]

Tanthrix:

(Where pretty bad = not bad at all for regular, sane, noncompulsive people)

[04:56:51]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: Seriously. That is the way to go.

[04:57:04]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: I've been driving myself crazy with this stuff.

[04:57:08]

ghmd:

screen door effect OTOH drives me crazy

[04:57:18]

ghmd:

and the rainbow effect almost as much

[04:57:33]

Dagmar:

kbidd: 1. You should be looking at the *chips* on the card and 2. Google

[04:57:49]

kbidd:

lol... k

[04:58:32]

Tanthrix:

ghmd: I'm not going to be happy until I have a 1080P set with no banding of any kind, no ghosting of any kind, and ability to display perfect blacks.

[04:58:37]

ghmd:

hah

[04:58:53]

** Tanthrix expects to get his dream set in the late 2020s **

[04:59:02]

ghmd:

i'm not going to be happy until then either... or until im rich

[04:59:06]

ghmd:

but i'll be rich someday~!

[05:00:30]

Tanthrix:

Yah, me too. ;)

[05:01:00]

Tanthrix:

And I'm planning on building my fortune by watching lots of movies and TV. You too?

[05:01:04]

ghmd:

yep!

[05:01:13]

ghmd:

and playing games too

[05:01:16]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[05:01:39]

ghmd:

with the latest mplayer and ffmpeg my computer seems to be able to play vc1 hddvd okay

[05:01:53]

ghmd:

not sure if sound is working or not though... and cpu usage is at 100

[05:01:57]

kbidd:

Dagmar, really sorry man... I hate it when people ask others to do their googleing for them, but I just dont know what to look for — i have a Conexant Fusion 878A chip with an id of 25878–13... what should i search for?

[05:02:11]

Dagmar:

bttv documentation

[05:02:25]

Dagmar:

It's under freaking /usr/src/linux/Documentation, dude

[05:02:54]

sn9:

i've had it with the frontend — isn't there any way to display a whole popup/dropdown menu instead of just arrowing through each choice?

[05:03:06]

Tanthrix:

kbidd: Don't worry about Dagmar, he's a cranky one ;)

[05:03:10]

Dagmar:

There's a list of all the tuner= params, and if you just googled for "(yer card name) bttv tuner=" GOogle will probably just TELL you

[05:03:18]

kbidd:

Dagmar, thanks — sorry man... told you I was a total noob :) — thanks for the help

[05:04:02]

kbidd:

Tanthrix, no worries... im usually the same what when im not talking about something i have no clue about

[05:04:24]

Dagmar:

Well, there's just _really_ a lot of documnentation online for those cards

[05:04:26]

Dagmar:

They just suck is all

[05:04:43]

Dagmar:

There's like a billion of the crappy little things floating around

[05:05:03]

ghmd:

kbidd: you need to use the "gold card" strategy. or perhaps "platinum card"

[05:05:26]

kbidd:

Dagmar, thats the problem... when I googled i found more posts about people bitching about the cards than i did about actual documentation — thats why I asked for the pointer :P I'll look in /usr/src/linux/Documentation

[05:05:36]

Dagmar:

The file is named bttv.txt

[05:05:43]

Dagmar:

find /usr/src/linux-blah -name bttv.txt

[05:05:55]

ghmd:

if hes using ubuntu he probably wont have anything there

[05:05:55]

kbidd:

Tanthrix, I really wish someone had told me that before I bought this crappy POS :P

[05:06:29]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: This is the reason I made the kitten graphic

[05:06:40]

Dagmar:

It's not *my* bandwidth so reference it at will

[05:06:43]

Dagmar:

heh

[05:06:49]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Kitten graphic? Link me

[05:06:51]

Dagmar:

yay photobucket

[05:07:22]

Dagmar:

I can't believe you haven't seen this before

[05:07:24]

Dagmar:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . t=1177132030

[05:07:25]

t0ny-p40:

:/ my mysqld is taking up 11% cpu doing nothing..

[05:07:30]

Dagmar:

Let's just say I have a lot of free time at work

[05:07:38]

Dagmar:

t0ny-p40: It's very industrious

[05:08:00]

Tanthrix:

kbidd: Yah, the official mythtv docs seem to be pretty "politically correct" when it comes to talking about hardware. "Everything works great, and we all get along just fine!"

[05:08:15]

t0ny-p40:

Dagmar, its never done this before.

[05:08:17]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Hehehe, I love it.

[05:08:38]

Dagmar:

Nastygrams from lawyers are *so* annoying

[05:09:08]

Dagmar:

I'm kinda tempted to upload that thing into the MythTV wiki and put it on the page about framegrabbers and nuv and see how long it lasts.

[05:09:09]

Dagmar:

Heh

[05:09:19]

kbidd:

ghmd, unfortunately youre right — no documentation there on ubuntu — i guess I get to google for bttv.txt and hope i can find one in english

[05:09:30]

ghmd:

you can install it

[05:09:34]

ghmd:

there is a linux-doc package or someting like taht

[05:10:04]

Dagmar:

kbidd: Or you could look under *kof* /usr/src/linux/Documentation/video4linux/bttv

[05:10:28]

ghmd:

linux-doc-2.6.20 – Linux kernel specific documentation for version 2.6.20

[05:10:30]

t0ny-p40:

a framegrabber is a card that does not encode to mpeg right?

[05:10:35]

Dagmar:

It's got it's own directory with 2.6.x, sorry about that

[05:11:02]

Dagmar:

A framegrabber card is one where the program recording has to snatch copies of what the tuner has put into the video overlay area, _repeatedly_

[05:11:08]

Dagmar:

i.e., it's grabbing frames

[05:11:13]

Dagmar:

Hence, suck-ass card.

[05:11:14]

kbidd:

Dagmar, as i said — that directory doesnt exist under ubuntu

[05:11:19]

nomin:

Dagmar: looks like there is a bug with ffmpeg. I was able to change it to avi with mencoder.

[05:11:25]

ghmd:

you need to install that package

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ghmd:

sudo apt-get install linux-doc

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Dagmar:

kbidd: Someday they will have that beaten out of them

[05:11:43]

kbidd:

:P

[05:11:44]

ghmd:

not sure where that will put the docs

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ghmd:

or, you could install the kernel source package

[05:11:56]

Dagmar:

nomin: So now you can scroll up and count how many times I told you to upgrade ffmpeg because it was broken

[05:11:57]

Dagmar:

heh

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kbidd:

ghmd, thanks — installing now

[05:12:29]

Dagmar:

Of the two, mencoder (being basically, a double-ended mplayer) is the more reliable anyway

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nomin:

Dagmar: but I'm just a linux novice and I usually go with what's in the package manager.

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kbidd:

ghmd, thanks — that worked — for future reference (if you care) under ubuntu that puts it in /usr/share/doc/linux-doc/Documentation

[05:14:23]

Dagmar:

Well, using your mental hiliter, put a bright red line over anything to do with transcode and ffmpeg, meaning "needs dangerously new versions, always"

[05:15:47]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: 1.0.3 has been released :P

[05:17:09]

Dagmar:

ugh

[05:17:09]

xzcvczx:

(transcode)

[05:17:16]

xzcvczx:

lol

[05:17:31]

Dagmar:

Yeah I'm familiar enough with them to figure that's what you were talking about

[05:17:51]

nomin:

all I did with mencoder was used the example command on gentoos howto. It shrunk the nuv to 1/4 the size and there isn't a big quality difference. Here's the code for anyone who's interested:

[05:17:58]

Dagmar:

I only wound up compiling transcode like eleven times

[05:18:04]

Dagmar:

Not a joke.

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: lol that must have been fun takes long enuf as it is,

[05:19:16]

MadRush:

i have a backend. i have a frontend. frontend will not connect to backend, when i run it from terminal, i can see that after it gives me the 'is your backend running' message, that it is trying to connect to the old ip address of the backend. i believe the ip addy of the backend stored in the mysql db is wrong, can somebody tell me how to check?

[05:20:55]

Dagmar:

MadRush: You run mythtv-setup

[05:21:03]

Dagmar:

Personally I'd just make sure you only have ONE mysql.txt

[05:21:08]

Dagmar:

THat is the thing people usually screw up

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: you know any really good tuts for mencoder or transcode?

[05:22:36]

Dagmar:

Pain.

[05:22:41]

Dagmar:

...and Suffering.

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Dagmar:

Or cheat and use nuvexport with the --debug option or whataver to see what options it cookes up

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MadRush:

ah, where would the secondary mysql.txt be

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MadRush:

different user on the backend machine?

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Dagmar:

The odds are that if you don't have the latest versions of both the tool and ffmpeg that you will have to look up every option to figure out which one they've changed anyway

[05:24:19]

Dagmar:

find /usr /etc /opt -name mysql.txt

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Dagmar:

I will also STRONGLY SUGGEST reading the docs for those very carefully as well.

[05:25:59]

Dagmar:

There are LOTS of ways to screw up and have it making the file unnecessarily twice the size it should be

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Dagmar:

Deinterlacing when you don't have to care is one great way

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sn9:

so there's no way to use menus in myth except left/right arrow keys?

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Dagmar:

Well, you can use the telnet interface

[05:28:07]

Dagmar:

That's about it

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sn9:

i mean in the X frontend

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Dagmar:

If you wanna get REAL kinky you can write a script that uses the telnet interface to make a hotkey that jumps straight to the programguide or something

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sn9:

no, i mean popup/dropdown menus with options

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Dagmar:

WHat you see is what you get

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xzcvczx:

i just have a java program which accepts any key input and just parses it as i find it quicker than using the telnet interface

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nomin:

I use qjoypad to emulate the keyboard and mouse with a joystick.

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Dagmar:

I just use a remote.

[05:29:28]

Dagmar:

Much easier

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nomin:

I have a 12 foot usb extension cord to reach where I sit in front of the tv.

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sn9:

i see little dropdown arrows on the right that look like the whole menu can be brought up

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Dagmar:

It just means if you keep going in that direction there are more options

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sn9:

remotes are irrelevant, since lirc just generates keystrokes

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nomin:

I also use qjoypad to navigate through videos. I don't just use mythtv on my computer.

[05:30:18]

Dagmar:

This is something that should have been pretty obvious

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nomin:

Dagmar: can you emulate the mouse with a remote?

[05:31:10]

Dagmar:

I don't need to, but yes I *know* how to do that

[05:31:23]

Dagmar:

There's a freaking X mouse driver available

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sn9:

i think the dropdown arrows make it obvious that a menu can appear, but it doesn't seem to be true without a mouse

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Dagmar:

It's just useless

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Dagmar:

Keep pushing down or whatever

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Dagmar:

Or your binary is *broken*

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sn9:

down goes to the next menu

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sn9:

right arrow goes to the next option

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Dagmar:

No, it's going to the other part of THAT menu

[05:32:39]

Dagmar:

Oh you're using one of those 'tarded horizontal themes

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sn9:

not for me

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sn9:

i've tried several themes, it's the same in all

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Dagmar:

You're trying to tell me G.A.N.T. is horizontally oriented?

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sn9:

huh?

[05:34:23]

Dagmar:

...and MythCenter, and Retro, and Julius

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sn9:

i only said the keybindings looked the same in all

[05:34:57]

Dagmar:

Up and down on the remote are supposed to move the selector up and down the list of items in the menu

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Dagmar:

If yours does not, your lirc config is BROKEN

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sn9:

i'll fix lirc after it works with a keyboard, but it doesn't

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Dagmar:

Right arrow should amount to entering a menu item

[05:35:55]

Dagmar:

Your lirc config is wrong

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sn9:

right arrow (on the keyboard) goes to the next option in the same menu

[05:36:25]

Dagmar:

No, it does not

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sn9:

it does for me

[05:36:36]

Dagmar:

THen your system is broken

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sn9:

i've tried this on two distros

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Dagmar:

Or maybe the keybindings changed, I hardbly bother with the keyboard

[05:37:30]

Dagmar:

:/Nope

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Dagmar:

I am ruinning 0.20-fixes

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Dagmar:

Using up and down on the keyboard does the same thing it does with the remote

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Dagmar:

Same for right and left

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sn9:

there doesn't seem to be any keybinding at all for entering a menu — mouse only

[05:38:08]

Dagmar:

right enters into a menu item, left takes you back out (or up a level)

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Dagmar:

ENTER

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sn9:

enter goes to the next page

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Dagmar:

...or OK on a remote

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sn9:

so does space

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

It's supposed to do that

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Dagmar:

Have you never used anything menu-driven before?

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sn9:

yes

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sn9:

but never this counter-intuitive

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Dagmar:

So other that possible dimentia, what exactly is ths problem again?

[05:39:44]

Dagmar:

The bloody thing is laid out like a grid

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nomin:

sn9: I think it's been pretty simple. Maybe messing with the themes messed something up. try exiting then resarting mythtv.

[05:39:50]

Dagmar:

THer'es nothing counter-intuitive to it

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sn9:

the only way to enter a dropdown/popup menu seems to be the mouse

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Dagmar:

It's retardedly simple because people who sit on a couch and watch TV all day will never read directions

[05:40:17]

Dagmar:

There are no dropdown or popup menus in MythTV

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sn9:

nomin: i even switched distros

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nomin:

sn9: I press return to select an option. The right button does the same thing the return button does.

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Dagmar:

THe only thing even close to a dropdown is when you're entering a few of the qt widgets

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sn9:

Dagmar: i guess you never used the Setup then

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Dagmar:

I use it quite a bit

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Dagmar:

If you don't pay attention to what ACCELLERATORS do, you will be lost forever

[05:41:17]

sn9:

it's full of dropdown menus

[05:41:23]

Dagmar:

Next time PLEASE do mention that you're NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FREAKING USE MENUS

[05:41:42]

Dagmar:

It would really have helped there to have known you were talking about the setup menuys

[05:41:51]

Dagmar:

THey use standard Qt keybindings

[05:41:55]

GreyFoxx:

sn9: Actually, if you highlight one and use left/right it will scroll through the items in that menu

[05:41:56]

Dagmar:

So THEY are *always* going to be annoying

[05:42:02]

Dagmar:

THat's Qt's fault

[05:42:22]

Dagmar:

If you press enter, you should not be suprised to find it doing weird things.

[05:42:40]

Dagmar:

Note the underlines, use those meta keys

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sn9:

sorry, i thought when i said "the popup/dropdown ones" i thought it would be obvious i didn't mean the navigation

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nomin:

sn9: I press up and down to get through the different parts and left-right to change the option in each part.

[05:43:00]

Dagmar:

And you remained silent every time I said there are no dropdown/popups

[05:43:12]

nomin:

sn9: then press return on the 'next' button.

[05:43:31]

sn9:

i use the meta keys for the buttons, yes, but the menus only appear with the mouse

[05:43:41]

Dagmar:

*sigh* no

[05:43:46]

t0ny-p40:

Sweet now that I'm using a real svideo cable other then my one that i made to go svideo to rca I can see boot messages! :)

[05:43:53]

sn9:

i have to right-arrow through each choice

[05:43:56]

nomin:

sn9: I've never used the mouse with mythtv-setup.

[05:44:10]

Dagmar:

I'm just not explaining qt keybindings

[05:44:11]

GreyFoxx:

Me either

[05:44:29]

sn9:

yeah, the mouse is a pain because i can't see where it is

[05:44:42]

Dagmar:

Suprise there is an option to reenable the mouse pointer

[05:44:47]

nomin:

sn9: you're not supposed to use the mouse for it.

[05:44:51]

Dagmar:

It's in the setup menus in the frontend somewhere or other

[05:44:57]

GreyFoxx:

Up/Down keys move you between seperate menu items, if you land on of with several options left/right scroll through the options

[05:45:00]

nomin:

sn9: it's supposed to make the mouse disappear.

[05:45:21]

sn9:

i saw that mouse pointer-showing option, but it's a copout

[05:45:29]

nomin:

sn9: mythtv is designed to be viewed on your tv.

[05:45:34]

sn9:

exactly

[05:45:39]

GreyFoxx:

It was put there for whiny "I want a mouse" people

[05:45:40]

Dagmar:

One of the things every user is supposed to do with MythTV is wander aimlessly through the setup menus until they remember where all the important things are

[05:45:51]

Dagmar:

OTherwise the devs SURELY would have made the setup menus not suck so much by now

[05:45:56]

Dagmar:

heh

[05:46:04]

nomin:

sn9: I suggest getting used to using just the keyboard with mythtv. You don't need the mouse for anything in it.

[05:46:09]

sn9:

that's why there has to be a keybinding i can give lirc to show the qt menus

[05:46:20]

Dagmar:

But there *is* a qt keybinding to make a dropdown completely appear

[05:46:35]

GreyFoxx:

sn9: Why would you need it really ?

[05:46:38]

sn9:

i couldn't find one

[05:46:55]

nomin:

sn9: there is no need for a mouse with mythtv.

[05:47:07]

Dagmar:

I would sooner tell you how to make methamphetamines

[05:47:30]

sn9:

nomin: that is my point

[05:48:05]

nomin:

sn9: but using just the keyboard with mythtv is pretty simple. I don't think it could have been made simpler.

[05:48:36]

sn9:

except the qt part

[05:49:04]

GreyFoxx:

Why would you NEED to have all items in the "dropdown" visible? You scroll through them with your left/right buttons

[05:49:06]

nomin:

sn9: I've noticed that clicking a mouse button while mythtv is open does something, but that's probably more of a bug or something. Just ignore that.

[05:49:31]

GreyFoxx:

Making it visible and THEN Scrolling to the one you want just adds another step

[05:49:36]

sn9:

nomin: that's qt at work, too

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ghmd:

I use the mouse in mythtv and get full dropdowns :D

[05:50:12]

nomin:

sn9: the only buttons you need in the setup are the 4 arrow keys, return, and escape. That's it.

[05:50:36]

sn9:

GreyFoxx: it adds a keystroke, but removes the step of figuring out what the options are

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nomin:

sn9: actually you need to type in the location of the video files.

[05:50:55]

GreyFoxx:

Yeah, cause left/right are too complicated for most users

[05:51:01]

t0ny-p40:

haha

[05:51:19]

sn9:

left/right only show one option at a time

[05:51:48]

nomin:

sn9: but there aren't too many options in there.

[05:51:58]

sn9:

there are enough

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GreyFoxx:

I fail to see how that is bad. Even if you display the full dropdown, and the item you want is number seven, you still have to scroll to it one by one (using the keyboard for config that is)

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ghmd:

sn9: I suspect that by taking the time to complain about this issue, and the ensuing conversation, has taken much more time than if you would have just shut up and selected the option you wanted

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Anduin:

ghmd: hasn't been true for newer kernels for some time

[05:53:10]

sn9:

ghmd: i did that quietly over and over until i was sick of it and needed to vent

[05:53:23]

nomin:

sn9: just look at the mythv documentation. All the options are there.

[05:53:29]

ghmd:

and in any case, you can just USE A MOUSE.

[05:53:34]

Dagmar:

Or the Qt documentation

[05:53:51]

Dagmar:

OR shove hot pokers in your ears

[05:53:58]

Dagmar:

I'd take the pokers over Qt docs

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GreyFoxx:

ghmd: That's not really intended behaviour, and by default the mouse is "hidden" so you have to guess where it is :)

[05:54:28]

Dagmar:

It's fun!

[05:54:37]

ghmd:

I un-hid it somehow

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sn9:

mythtv documentation doesn't mention this anywhere, and knowing this to be qt retardedness is too much to expect

[05:54:57]

GreyFoxx:

ghmd: There is a config option to unhide it. But by default it's hidden

[05:55:14]

Dagmar:

You know what we need

[05:55:22]

nomin:

sn9: there's a bit of a learning curve for mythtv but I think it's important to know that an experienced user will take about 20 minutes to get mythtv running.

[05:55:27]

Dagmar:

We need to hack a thing into it that makes the mouse pointer into genitalia

[05:55:32]

Dagmar:

That would stop people doing that

[05:55:40]

GreyFoxx:

hahaha

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christine_:

hello pll.

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GreyFoxx:

with loud audio moans when choosing something

[05:56:12]

Dagmar:

With the new png icons, it could look really clear, too

[05:56:22]

christine_:

how do i run mythtv fullscreen mode?

[05:56:28]

** GreyFoxx goes to bed **

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Dagmar:

Yessir just as I'm saying something naughty a female shows up

[05:56:57]

Dagmar:

Generally it runs in fullscreen by default

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nomin:

christine_: there is a checkbox that enables/disables fullscreen mode.

[05:57:42]

christine_:

mythfrontend when i run this. i see the gnome panels

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christine_:

from top and the bottom :(

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Dagmar:

There's a reason for that

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Dagmar:

You're using GNOME

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sn9:

of course, mythtv could also "modprobe -r psmouse"

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Dagmar:

The panel is very determined about staying visible

[05:58:27]

Dagmar:

RIght click on it and tell it to stop being so pesty

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nomin:

christine_: try hiding the panels with the arrows at the side of the panels before running mythtv.

[05:58:40]

Dagmar:

sn9: No, because it's not mythtv's job to load your modules or tie your shoes

[05:58:54]

Dagmar:

udev should have loaded that module if you had a mouse

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christine_:

nomin : what do you mean?

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sn9:

i said "-r", not load

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Dagmar:

Have your water checked for lead.

[05:59:40]

juski_booze:

morny

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nomin:

christine_: Dagmar might be right about the panels wanting to be locked. Maybe there's an option to tell it not to lock. I was saying that each panel has the option to put arrows on each side of it that move the panel off the screen when you click on it.

[06:00:12]

Dagmar:

christine dear you have to change the configuration for the panel to either autohide itself, or to *not* force itself to the front of the display all the time

[06:00:39]

Dagmar:

It's much easier to just disable the "I wanna be on top" functionality than it is to manually hide the things

[06:02:00]

nomin:

I manually move the menu because I use my computer for other things in addition to mythtv.

[06:02:19]

nomin:

and sometimes I want to keep mythtv open.

[06:02:37]

kbidd:

Dagmar, I think i found the right tuner= line for my card — (modprobe bttv card=37 tuner=3 radio=1 ) — do I just run that once, or do i have to add it to a script somewhere (and do i have to restart after running the command for it to take effect)

[06:02:48]

kbidd:

btw, i appriciate your help so far

[06:02:57]

juski:

modprobe options or summat, IIRC

[06:03:11]

juski:

you can just ignore me if you like – I'm still drunk

[06:03:23]

kbidd:

juski, me too :P

[06:03:47]

christine_:

ah ok.

[06:04:03]

juski:

on account of it being so big & clever to imbibe more alcyfrol than your body can stand, just for laughs (of course)

[06:04:09]

christine_:

does somebody here uses ubuntu?

[06:04:13]

kbidd:

I do

[06:04:19]

juski:

I do too

[06:04:21]

kbidd:

dont have mythtv working yet thouth

[06:04:24]

kbidd:

*though

[06:04:36]

Dagmar:

kbidd: You put "options (modulename) (those options)" into /etc/modules.conf and run depmod -a

[06:04:52]

kbidd:

Dagmar, thanks — doest that require a restart?

[06:04:55]

Dagmar:

Nope

[06:05:01]

Dagmar:

This is the reason you're typing `depmod -`

[06:05:06]

Dagmar:

er depmod -a

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kbidd:

lol, k

[06:05:12]

Dagmar:

It'll cache those options and use them from here on out

[06:05:18]

juski:

not many changes you can make to a linux box actually require a reboot

[06:05:33]

Dagmar:

Some require burnt offerings, but that's about it

[06:05:35]

kbidd:

im just used to windows where you have to restart after *everything*

[06:05:47]

juski:

yeh well.. linux != windows ;)

[06:06:27]

juski:

technically you shouldn't have to restart windows after changing the desktop background either but it's recommended by everything 'just in case'

[06:06:32]

ghmd:

is mythweather broke?

[06:06:33]

kbidd:

Dagmar, that file doesnt exist yet, so I dont have a template to go off of — do I just add the entire line (modprobe bttv card=37 tuner=3 radio=1 ) to the file?

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christine_:

i have install everything ok. the mythtv run before you can log in the system. and remote does not work. but if i log on first and run mythfrontend remote works but not full screen.

[06:06:41]

christine_:

in my ubuntu

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juski:

ghmd: yes. see the -users mailing list archive man

[06:06:52]

Dagmar:

kbidd: No, you just add hte options

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Dagmar:

"options (modulename) (list of options)"

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kbidd:

so just bttv card=37 tuner=3 radio=1

[06:07:24]

Dagmar:

If you leave out the word "options" please go smash one finger knuckle with a hammer

[06:07:25]

juski:

serves you right for using a crappy lamegrabber card, kbidd

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ghmd:

haha

[06:08:06]

kbidd:

juski, yeah, wish someone had warned me ahead of time... a review on newegg said it worked "out of the box"... yeah right :P

[06:09:14]

ghmd:

yay, the cable company rearranged its clear QAM channels again

[06:09:19]

Dagmar:

If you'd have asked in here, we would have advised strongly against framegrabbers

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kbidd:

yeah, i shouldnt have just trusted the review

[06:09:48]

Dagmar:

It works "out of the box" for merely watching TV

[06:09:58]

Dagmar:

...and that was a windows user writing the review

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kbidd:

Dagmar, not with linux it doesnt

[06:10:11]

Dagmar:

...talking about using the Windows software with itl

[06:10:14]

juski:

will somebody _please_ think of the poor kittens, just for once? www.juski.co.uk/kittenkiller.jpg

[06:10:20]

kbidd:

Dagmar — no, the user said it worked out of the box with mythtv — what a joke

[06:10:30]

Dagmar:

He probably knew what he was doing.

[06:10:32]

Dagmar:

o.O

[06:10:38]

kbidd:

lol, true :P

[06:10:50]

kbidd:

i'll be the first to admit i have no idea what im doing :P

[06:10:51]

Dagmar:

You only really had to type one line to make it work

[06:11:22]

Dagmar:

You didn't ahve to compile or desolder anything

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kbidd:

hmm... even after running depmod -a, tvtime gives a "no signal"

[06:11:46]

Dagmar:

Well, you did have to sacrifice some follicles

[06:11:58]

Dagmar:

You are using a 2.6.x kernel, yes?

[06:12:04]

nomin:

this framegrabber stuff is new to me. How do I know if a card is a framegrabber?

[06:12:12]

kbidd:

2.6.20–15

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Dagmar:

So what is the exact line you just added to /etc/modules.conf?

[06:12:36]

juski:

nomin: if it isn't called a 'Hauppauge PVR***' card ;)

[06:12:38]

** Dagmar readies the hammer. **

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kbidd:

options bttv card=37 tuner=3 radio=1

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juski:

& if it's not a DVB or ATSC tuner

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Dagmar:

OKay, so when you said earlier that this made it work, you tested this theory how?

[06:13:21]

nomin:

juski: I have a winto go plus and after I knew what I was doing, it takes 15–20 minutes to get mythtv going.

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kbidd:

Dagmar, I never said it made it work — I said thats what someone said on a forum said made it work

[06:13:54]

juski:

my record is going from a flat HDD to worky mythtv in under one hour, including installing Ubunut

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Dagmar:

YEs, well, everything everyone writes on the internet will always be true, now won't it?

[06:14:14]

Dagmar:

o.O

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nomin:

my conclusion is that if you can watch tv on linux with a program like tvtime you're only 20 minutes away from a functioning mythbox.

[06:14:28]

kbidd:

Dagmar, lol... yeah... that was just my only source to go off or

[06:14:31]

kbidd:

*of

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Dagmar:

This is why I was saying consult the docs that came with the module

[06:14:46]

Dagmar:

One is a nice long list of all tuner chips

[06:15:08]

kbidd:

Dagmar, how do i read them.... no .txt files — only .gz files — do i need to extract every file

[06:15:12]

Dagmar:

You'd also better be tuning to a channel that actually has a signal

[06:15:19]

Dagmar:

zless

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Dagmar:

zless CARDLIST.tuner.gz

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juski:

just go back to newegg, & after topping all of the staff, walk out with a pvr card instead

[06:16:10]

Dagmar:

...and zless CARDLIST.bttv.gz

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ghmd:

how can I change the font of the mythtv menus (not the osd)

[06:16:34]

kbidd:

k, i'll go try and install zless

[06:16:51]

juski:

ghmd: find and edit theme.xml for the theme you're using

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Dagmar:

It's already installed.

[06:17:03]

juski:

b l a s p h e m e r !!

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Dagmar:

Or your distro sucks hairy goat

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Dagmar:

There's several more options than just 37

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juski:

I mean it's not as if theme designers take time to consider the font they design into a theme or anything...

[06:20:20]

nomin:

Dagmar: I still have my console open from when I got the error with ffmpeg. It looks like mencoder got the same error but it was able to encode anyway.

[06:20:29]

nomin:

"header damaged"

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ghmd:

actually, it appears that the preferred font isnt even being used

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juski:

yay gbee! go go go! love those comments http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/263375

[06:21:52]

kbidd:

Dagmar, that gives me the card= option — how do i get the tuner= option?

[06:22:40]

juski:

kbidd: there's a similar file telling you what the tuner options are

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Dagmar:

You have your water checked for lead in the morning, too

[06:23:50]

juski:

oo btw xris you around?

[06:24:11]

juski:

almost forgot – I'm done uploading the video

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nomin:

Dagmar: is it possible that mythtv is causing the "header damaged" problem when it creates a file?

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juski:

nomin: possible but not likely

[06:25:15]

juski:

if it's an mpeg file, most definitely not likely

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nomin:

juski: but both ffmpeg and mencoder picked it up. Could it be my system doing it?

[06:25:41]

juski:

what kind of file is it?

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nomin:

juski: the .nuv files.

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nomin:

only some of them have it.

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nomin:

but ffmpeg said one .nuv had 59 fps while mencoder said (correctly) it was 29 fps.

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juski:

not sure if ffmpeg supports those files out of the box

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nomin:

ffmpeg will also read the duration wrong. It gives that some wrong number for different files.

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Dagmar:

10 print "ffmpeg is hellishly buggy."

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Dagmar:

20 goto 10

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Dagmar:

run

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Tanthrix_AFK:

I just shocked myself on my metal desk with the loudest shock I've ever heard, and at the exact same moment my computer (located in the other room) rebooted.

[06:27:32]

juski:

if you're looking to transcode the files to something else, look into nuvexport

[06:27:43]

juski:

Tanthrix_AFK: well done!

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Dagmar:

framegrabber cards ftl

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juski:

nomin: so what's the problem then?

[06:28:08]

Tanthrix_AFK:

Either a strange coincidence, or somehow the shock propagated through the keyboard and made the system reboot.

[06:28:16]

nomin:

juski: I'm just wondering what would cause it.

[06:28:20]

Tanthrix_AFK:

Nothing in my error logs, and no previous mysterous rebooting.

[06:28:36]

juski:

Tanthrix_AFK: well, maybe you got lucky & just shortened the life of your machine with a big static discharge

[06:28:42]

Tanthrix_AFK:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Imagine that

[06:29:04]

Dagmar:

Electricity passing from the keyboard to the CPU

[06:29:14]

Dagmar:

Man I've never heard of such a thing

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juski:

or maybe it was a failed attempt by Mother Nature of natural selection...

[06:29:40]

Dagmar:

You've been smoking the acid again, haven't you

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Tanthrix_AFK:

;)

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juski:

consider yourself lucky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHb5KtVT9Fo

[06:30:12]

nomin:

Tanthrix_AFK: maybe you should ground that desk.

[06:30:24]

Tanthrix_AFK:

nomin: Might be a good idea...

[06:30:31]

juski:

Tanthrix_AFK: plastic is a very good conductor (not to mention generator) of static electricity

[06:30:58]

nomin:

Tanthrix_AFK: I know someone who, when he shut off his computer, a bolt of static went into the plastic button and blew his motherboard.

[06:31:09]

kbidd:

well, still nothing after editing /etc/modules.etc — thanks for all your help guys — im gonna go to bed and try again tomorrow

[06:31:25]

Tanthrix_AFK:

nomin: That's more likely, since electricity can arc to ground pretty easily around plastic.

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kbidd:

*modules.conf, not .etc

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Dagmar:

And yet I can take a rubber baloon, which is not metal, rub it on a cat, which is also not metal, and generate static shocks

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Dagmar:

Static electricity travels across SURFACES dude

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Dagmar:

It does not require a conductive metal

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juski:

we test all of our cctv products at work with a 2kV & 8kV discharge into the products' enclosure. if they so much as produce a reboot, they fail the test

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kbidd:

thatnks juski, ghmd, and Dagmar.

[06:32:53]

juski:

I bet not many PCs would pass an EMC compliance test....

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Dagmar:

I know my high school physics teacher kinda neglected to mention that about static electricyt

[06:33:25]

Dagmar:

...for which he paid dearly

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Dagmar:

I think only a crazy man would bring something like that near any of my machines

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Dagmar: I realize this. (I have taken various physics and electronics classes in my life) – it just doesn't seem probably that the charge built up by me would both a) travel into the keyboard enough to affect my computer instead of being nicely absorbed by my giant metal desk, and b) that the keyboard would be able to absorb the charge

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juski:

Tanthrix_AFK: your keyboard is prolly sufficiently insulated from the desk by its standoffs or whatever

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Static electricity, like you said, builds up on surfaces due to exchanges of electrons. Plastic doesn't conduct electricity, be it static or otherwise. (At least as I am familiar with the word conduct)

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juski:

electricity, static or otherwise travels by the shortest route

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Which would most definately be the giant metal desk.

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juski:

if you're skeptical, just put it down to coincidence & go off & run fsck

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Isn't there a nickserv command to force the quit of a nick hanging around after a bad disconnect?

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Tanthrix_AFK:

juski: It's my windows box, and I ran a chkdsk already ;)

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juski:

msg nickserv ghost $password

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Tanthrix_AFK:

That's right.

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juski:

geez whoever invented cheap vodka should be shot

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Dagmar:

Oh static electricity will run across the surface of something plastic

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nomin:

isn't lightning enough evidence of what electricity can travel through?

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juski:

I've seen the 8KV test being done on our cctv dvrs.. it's mighty purdy watching the arcs go over the plastic front panel

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juski:

good for finding weaknesses in the nickel shielding paint on the other side ;)

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Dagmar:

In the ominous case I mentioned earlier, I about killed my hs physics teacher with a tesla coil

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** Tanthrix goes and finds his Van De Graaff generator for testing.. **

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juski:

their albums are simply _shocking_

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juski:

prog rock sucks

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Dagmar:

His mistake was in telling me to "volunteer" for the tesla coil plus lightbulb experiment because I "knew so much about electricity"

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Dagmar:

I slapped a hand down on his desk.

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Dagmar:

:)

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juski:

lol

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ghmd:

I give up

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ghmd:

I can't get rid of Arial :(

[06:46:03]

juski:

ghmd: which theme?

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ghmd:

well, any of them.. I want it gone from *everything*

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juski:

you FYI to get myth to change the font after editing the theme.xml file you need to restart mythfrontend

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Dagmar:

THe FUN part is figuring out Freetype's crazy ass naming

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juski:

Bitstream Vera ftw!

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juski:

goes to show you're not using blootube then

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ghmd:

I have it gone from the main menus but none of the settings panels

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ghmd:

no, it takes up too much memory

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juski:

ghmd: ha-ha

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juski:

ghmd: try editing qtlook.txt too

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ghmd:

MythCenter-wide only takes up 250

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Dagmar:

What are you running this on that Bitstream Vera uses too much memory

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Dagmar:

Oh nevermind

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juski:

yeah but it's er.. how shall I say.. more lame than blootube

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ghmd:

yeah

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ghmd:

well, feel free to send me two ddr2 1gb dimms :)

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ghmd:

and I would gladly use your theme

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ghmd:

(or I could ditch kde)

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juski:

for the memory misers out there there's blootubelite-wide ya know

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ghmd:

yeah, that still used a lot

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juski:

it's myth's fault anyway, not the themes

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juski:

if you want mighty purdy you have to pay in RAM

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Tanthrix:

Freaking static electricity, I just got shocked again.

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juski:

:D

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Tanthrix:

And on a side note, "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman" is the best show ever

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juski:

Tanthrix: I always thought it was more than a bit ghey but nevermind

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juski:

just get a frickin room already & have done with it!

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Tanthrix:

I meant "best show ever" in the sense of, the most campy, corney early 90s show ever made, ever

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juski:

heh

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juski:

Moonlighting for the 90s generation

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juski:

oh hell. i just saw a fried chicken takeaway box I must've brought home with me this morning. must be lucky to still be alive

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ghmd:

wow i havent had fried chicken since like... tuesday

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juski:

I've tried reviewing last night's tape but all it has on it is hash

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juski:

the words 'rats' & 'sinking ship' spring to mind when I think about our new products

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Dagmar:

Well, Clark is gay anyway

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Dagmar:

You got that bit righ

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ghmd:

whenever people say bad things about where I work I mention that their stock price has doubled since I started working there

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juski:

the thing about the new stuff is that though our new UI looks a lot more spiffy but when you press buttons on the keyboard nothing happens for anything up to 10 seconds. in my book that's not a step forward

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Lathiat:

Howdy all, im from Perth/Australia and tv_grab_au doesn't get guides for my "TEN HD" channel, but its exactly the same as the "TEN Digital 1" channel, can i apply the guide from Digital 1 to TENHD somehow?

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juski:

Lathiat: yeh just give TEN HD the same xmltvid as the other channel

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Lathiat:

jduggan: in ~/.mythtv/TV.xmltv ?

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juski:

nope

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Lathiat:

where abouts?

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juski:

your autocomplete sucks btw

[07:00:11]

Lathiat:

or is in that in myths mysql database?

[07:00:16]

Lathiat:

heh yeh so it does

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juski:

in the channel editor in mythtv-setup, or the channel editing page in mythweb

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Lathiat:

juski: ;)

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Lathiat:

hrm *tries*

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juski:

or by mangling mysql yourself. not for noobs though

[07:01:09]

Lathiat:

ah cool thanks

[07:01:15]

Lathiat:

that works, bye!

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juski:

ahhh we ended up in an indie club last night. looked like the set of "skins" ftw!

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juski:

you know you're getting old when you go to a club & tut at folks with fake id

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Dagmar:

Pfft

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Dagmar:

If they mattered the doorman wouldn't need to see their ID

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juski:

yeh well that place was hardly Studio54 ;)

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Dagmar:

This is why it's ever more important that someone with some authority knows who you are

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juski:

oh dear. 5th Avenue has a myspaz page

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Dagmar:

I much prefer it if the bouncers have my back

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juski:

never see any major trouble in clubs I go to.. not since I stopped working in smalltown dives

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juski:

seen so many people get glassed it's not true

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nomin:

mencoder IS alot better than ffmpeg. I just encoded a large file and the audio is in sync with the video. When I encoded with ffmpeg the audio strays from the video as the video progresses.

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juski:

so, mencoder ftw!

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nomin:

:)

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juski:

arrr yeah! I fixed my other cctv camera :)

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ghmd:

okay, I finally settled on neon-wide.

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juski:

disclaimer: themes other than juski's are available. some are even good :)

[07:24:05]

juski:

I'm looking forward to trying that LCARS theme :)

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Dagmar:

Man you would not believe what I have to do now

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Dagmar:

I have to decouple and rename all the damn objects in that svg file I've been working with

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juski:

book Majel Barrett to come to the voiceover booth?

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Dagmar:

Gods no

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juski:

I preferred the star trek computer when it was just a ringy echoey beep

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Dagmar:

I have a pile of samples of those somewhere

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Dagmar:

At one point I got really obsessive and did FFTs on them to figure out what the "common" sound elements were

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Dagmar:

I get like that sometimes

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juski:

whoah.. that's ummm .. dedication ;)

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Dagmar:

It's mainly a lack of sense and knowing entirely too much about "general technology"

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Dagmar:

WHen I was a kid, my parents got a satellite dish--one of the big ones--and basiclaly, during the summers, I was at home alone with it

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juski:

another memory came flooding back from last night. went to a scifi theme bar that had a real dalek

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Dagmar:

So I watched college lectures on advanced physics, nasa stuff on aerospace and telecommunications, jpl things about sound, military theory programming, etc etc

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Dagmar:

I was an educational programming whore

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Dagmar:

That dalek got stolen recently

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ghmd:

i dont feel like reprogramming my remote tonight

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Dagmar:

BUt what I'm saying is that if there was an easy way to lodge the beeps into the inteface, we can do that

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juski:

ghmd: irrercord

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Dagmar:

I've just made a heap of work for myself straightening out the program guide this weekend

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Dagmar:

It's what http://blairhouse.dyndns.org/~dagmar/programguide.svg is for

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Dagmar:

I gotta go change the id and inkscape:label attribute on all those damn things, and then I can have it just spew out the coordinates I want

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Dagmar:

It's just one of those tasks that qualifies as "insane tedium" that I hate

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juski:

I'm still threatening to sit down & make a cruft removal script to kill off images I don't need

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Dagmar:

THat would actually be easy with XML::Simple

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Dagmar:

I make no claims about hte utility of XMLout() tho

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Dagmar:

MythtV will still read it that way, but it can really visual mangle an xml file

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Dagmar:

You could probably use it to deliberately obfuscate your themes tho

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juski:

it looks alien enough to noobs the way it is :)

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Dagmar:

Surely they can deal with having all the tags sorted alphabetically

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Dagmar:

...with one and only one element per line

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Dagmar:

heheh

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Dagmar:

What it does is really special

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Dagmar:

It makes the most unfriendly forms of the stuff

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Dagmar:

Without a DTD to suggest organization, it basically just spews out an associative array

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seven5_:

hi guys... new mythtv user here, i have eerything running pretty well so far, but i'm down to getting my cable box to talk to it.This is on ubuntu 7.04. The whole install for the firewire went well, but when i try to leave the backend setup i get this: "card 0" "is set to start on channel 1", but its clearly set to channel 26

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seven5_:

anyone know what thats about?

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juski:

my head's a shed, so I don't know what that's about

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juski:

janneg: you awake? got the promo uploaded yesterday, all 600 megs or so of it

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juski:

had to rar it into 15meg chunks though – messy

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xzcvczx:

does the number of concurrent transcodes to do in mythdvd require a restart of the mtd to work?

[08:08:37]

juski:

maybe

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anykey_:

juski: can you give me a link to that vid? ;)

[08:10:42]

juski:

anykey_: for now, no. unless you're gonna be taking mythtv to an expo

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anykey_:

hm, no expos here

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juski:

it won't teach you anything you didn't already know anyway ;)

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adante:

juski: interesting.. thats the first i've heard of it, can you tell us more? :]

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anykey_:

juski: not me, but other people that I know that would like to see more about myth

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juski:

adante: it's just a video extolling the virtues of mythtv, in 720P at 20 mbits/sec :)

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adante:

juski: cool.. hope it's better than the linuxmce promo :D

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juski:

like the video linked to from my website but slightly better

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adante:

juski: cool.. didn't know you had videos there, i'll check them out when i get some bw

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juski:

apparently my file storage sees over 50GB/month, so I don't want many 600MB downloads from there today if I can help it

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juski:

yeah there's a few mytharchive intros too

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juski:

I need to fix the videos page on my site actually. there's a div too many (or few) & it's fucked up

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juski:

here we go.. pint of water number five. then I should be fixed

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anykey_:

too much beer? ;)

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juski:

just enough I think

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juski:

I'd have to go a long long way to beat the hangover I had at LW expo I reckon, but that's what you get for drinking with geeks

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juski:

or rather drinking with geeks who have expense accounts

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seven5_:

hi guys... new mythtv user here, i have eerything running pretty well so far, but i'm down to getting my cable box to talk to it.This is on ubuntu 7.04. The whole install for the firewire went well, but when i try to leave the backend setup i get this: "card 0" "is set to start on channel 1", but its clearly set to channel 26

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anykey_:

seven5_: repeating the same question over and over won't help

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seven5_:

sorry, there was just no response for so long before there was activity, i was hoping no one saw it

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juski:

all I can suggest is checking & re-checking the video source setup pages

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seven5_:

no one has a clue about this craziness?

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seven5_:

i can't find anything about it

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Sid`:

they don't have firewire cable boxes here in au

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Sid`:

so i dunno

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Sid`:

at some point i'm going to try and figure out ir-blaster w/ change-channel script

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Sid`:

but yeah, no firewire here :(

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juski:

has FA to do with firewire actually

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juski:

more to do with configuring mythtv-setup properly ;)

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Sid`:

have you done a channel-scan or whatever the firewire equivalent is?

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juski:

it usually only complains when it's set to start on a channel that doesn't exist

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seven5_:

well thats where i am now, trying to leave the setup, and it warns me with this

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seven5_:

yah i did a scan, then set it to all kinds of channels that are not 1

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juski:

the default channel to start on is '3'

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seven5_:

every time i "fetch channels from listing source" it sets the starting channel to 1, but i change it to something els. but it still complains

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juski:

so don't do that

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seven5_:

what, leave it on 1?

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justdave:

tell your listing source not to feed you channel 1

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seven5_:

oh hmmmmm

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justdave:

if you don't want it

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seven5_:

ok let me delete it

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juski:

no!

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juski:

gawd

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justdave:

if it's zap2it, you do that on their website

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juski:

look if mythtv is telling you it's set to start on channel '1' it usually means that channel '1' doesn't exist – otherwise you'd not see the warning

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juski:

the error says as much

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** justdave should stop giving answers when he hasn't heard the entire question **

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xzcvczx:

with the pvr150 are you able to take input from video-in while you are also using the tuner on the card?

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justdave:

only if it's dual tuner (don't remember if the pvr150 is or not)

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juski:

xzcvczx: no

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justdave:

the video in still requires a tuner, it's just a different input source on the tuner

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juski:

if it was a pvr500 you could do that because it has two mpeg encoders on board

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xzcvczx:

oh ok

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seven5_:

well

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seven5_:

i wiped everything

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seven5_:

and removed ch 1

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seven5_:

reinputed everytihg, and it didn't warn me this time

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seven5_:

its filling the db now, so we'll see

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pat_:

oh god, a 24" crt is big

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woland_:

hi

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justdave:

crt? yikes

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pat_:

a friend of mine just gave me a 24" widescreen crt for helping him clear his garage of computer gear

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Lathiat:

widescreen *CRT*

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** Lathiat boggles **

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Lathiat:

never seen such a beast :)

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Sid`:

apple made some

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seven5_:

those applemonitors were huge

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seven5_:

and cost like 2500 buck

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Sid`:

yeah, they were cool

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Sid`:

make a reasonable mid-sized HD telly these days

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seven5_:

ok, so now i go to watch tv on the frontend, and it says mythtv is already using all the available inputs.... so obviously this isn't working..

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pat_:

1920x1200

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xzcvczx:

err how do you quit mythwelcome?

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xzcvczx:

dw killall works

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woland_:

even without kernel support, my tv card should still appear in lspci right?

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seven5_:

ha! got it

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seven5_:

but it doesn't look so great, it looks interlaced

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juski:

24"? big? lol

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juski:

seven5_: so you need to deinterlace then

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seven5_:

where can i even set that?

[08:51:25]

woland_:

is it usual for tuner cards to get so hot?

[08:51:35]

juski:

setup > utils/setup > tv > tv playback

[08:51:40]

seven5_:

i guess that makes sense kinda, its coming from the box interlaced, and being put on a progressive screen

[08:53:40]

seven5_:

ah great, duh, thanks

[08:54:44]

juski:

as for which method is best, experiment & find one you like the look of – unless you use XvMC – in which case use Bob 2X

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woland_:

i think my nova-t is either broken or my motherboard doesn't like it

[09:07:30]

woland_:

all my other pci cards seem to work

[09:09:11]

woland_:

no matter which slot i put it in it's not displayed in lspci/dmesg

[09:10:50]

juski:

oh dear

[09:11:09]

juski:

if you have another box you can try it in I suggest doing that

[09:11:45]

woland_:

juski, yeah good idea, i'm sure openbsd will at least display it as a not configured device

[09:12:00]

woland_:

i have zero luck when it comes to components

[09:12:25]

juski:

mythtv on openbsd? oof. good luck with that

[09:13:59]

woland_:

lol, myth is on an ubuntu machine – all my other machines run openbsd

[09:15:45]

juski:

hmm I need an html checker

[09:15:53]

woland_:

juski, use tidy

[09:16:05]

woland_:

or just w3's validator

[09:16:06]

seven5_:

so uhhhh, what happens when your cable box's node switches, are you just screwed? cause my primer is specific to a node

[09:20:13]

Tanthrix:

seven5_: If you use SVN, apparently it doesn't work via nodes, so that doesn't have a problem. As far as your primer is concerned, you might just have to make the script execute for both nodes, knowing that one will fail, hopefully quickly and quietly

[09:21:06]

seven5_:

i rebooted the computer and bam, the node switched

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pat_:

does pablo (ie, the minimyth guy) hang out here?

[09:21:30]

seven5_:

i've got no audio too... so close

[09:21:36]

Tanthrix:

If you wanted to get clever you might be able to come up with some kind of script that actually checks to see which node it is via plugreport then executes the right code accordingly

[09:21:57]

seven5_:

that woulnd't be too tough

[09:22:57]

Tanthrix:

I just got digital cable, so a week ago I setup everything and got it sort of working. Not with SVN, mind you. Very buggy and annoying, but SlicerDicer told me that a lot of his problems with firewire went away when using SVN

[09:23:10]

Tanthrix:

So, when I get a chance I'm going to give it a try again

[09:23:26]

seven5_:

any idea why i have no audio?

[09:23:32]

seven5_:

i'm using optical out on an spdif

[09:24:01]

Tanthrix:

seven5_: You're doing firewire out from a digital cable box, no?

[09:24:07]

seven5_:

yah

[09:24:30]

Tanthrix:

Then the audio should be part of the MPEG2 transport stream

[09:24:38]

Tanthrix:

Oh, you mean optical out from your computer

[09:24:57]

Tanthrix:

I thought you meant optical out to an input on your system ;)

[09:25:00]

** Tanthrix is sleepy **

[09:25:07]

seven5_:

yah

[09:25:19]

seven5_:

me too, its 5:25 here..

[09:25:21]

Tanthrix:

In any case, I'm not sure why – does sound for everything else work?

[09:25:32]

seven5_:

but i got a ton done on this tonight, my first myth install, got ubuntu and myth installed on this

[09:25:40]

Tanthrix:

You shouldn't be able to get video without audio in this case, so the problem is likely elsewhere

[09:26:04]

seven5_:

hooked to my hdtv, got myth and the computer talking digitally with audio to my reciever... and mkv files playing, its all great, so far... except the audio in the TS

[09:26:45]

juski:

can't find where this thing is going wrong

[09:27:09]

seven5_:

audio is playing from movies, inside myth

[09:27:13]

seven5_:

but tv has no audio

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juski:

pat_: no, pablo doesn't hang out in IRC

[09:27:43]

pat_:

I'll just post the the linpvr forums then to contact him?

[09:27:48]

juski:

pat_: what do you wanna talk to him about? i find he always responds fast in the forums

[09:28:23]

juski:

woland_: if lspci doesn't list it, then it's def. a hardware issue

[09:29:27]

woland_:

juski, it's strange all my other pci devices work

[09:29:32]

juski:

may $deity have mercy on his soul

[09:29:43]

pat_:

if pablo can help him out that's great, otherwise it is a trip to the hardware shop (again)

[09:29:51]

woland_:

juski, i tried the card in very slot

[09:30:10]

juski:

woland_: tried the card on its own?

[09:30:19]

Tanthrix:

seven5_: Sorry man, I've done digital audio output before, otherwise I'd try and help.

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juski:

damnit I'm gonna have to re-do the page

[09:34:49]

woland_:

juski, yeah

[09:35:09]

woland_:

tried with just the agp graphics card in and the tuner card

[09:35:14]

juski:

woland_: maybe time to try a bios update

[09:35:30]

woland_:

juski, good idea

[09:36:24]

juski:

aha! I was missing a <div id="content">

[09:36:27]

juski:

phew

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juski:

new way to fix a hangover.. validate your website with w3c

[09:44:24]

juski:

.. or totally wreck your head...

[09:44:37]

woland_:

lol

[09:46:53]

woland_:

it's times like these i wish i had a windows box, the bios boot dick utility wont run with wine

[09:47:42]

juski:

if you had an image of the floppy you could just dd it ;)

[09:49:13]

woland_:

lol yeah

[09:49:26]

woland_:

i'll have to wait till i go into work on monday

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sebrock:

Hello

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Hakkes:

hello

[09:54:53]

sebrock:

))

[09:55:05]

juski:

hey hey

[09:55:48]

sebrock:

Anything

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christine_:

mythtv automatically run before the login screen. what file should i check to remove this this option?

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[10:02:25]

juski:

christine_: huh? the frontend starts before the login screen?

[10:02:40]

christine_:

yes in my ubuntu.

[10:03:05]

christine_:

i want to remove this feature. :( do you know what file should i change?

[10:03:19]

juski:

look in your home directory first

[10:03:32]

juski:

for .xinitrc or something like that

[10:04:01]

juski:

I wouldn't think just installing mythtv from packages would make a change like that on your behalf. if it does, it shouldn't

[10:04:14]

sebrock:

Anyone

[10:04:17]

juski:

yay my webshite is now w3c compliant :)

[10:04:37]

sebrock:

Link?

[10:05:42]

juski:

.. but my head is still a shed :-|

[10:06:42]

sebrock:

so

[10:07:05]

christine_:

juski i do not see any file with a anem .xinitrc :(

[10:07:12]

christine_:

in my home dir

[10:07:31]

juski:

do you see any files starting with .x something?

[10:07:43]

juski:

ls -al will reveal all

[10:07:51]

pat_:

ls -l ~/.x*

[10:07:57]

pat_:

will show them if there are any

[10:07:59]

sebrock:

link juski?

[10:10:06]

sebrock:

anyone tried ubuntu 7.04 with mythtv?

[10:11:00]

christine_:

-rw-r--r-- 1 christine christine 5780 2007-04–21 17:55 /home/christine/.xsession-errors

[10:11:05]

christine_:

this one

[10:11:15]

juski:

nope

[10:11:16]

christine_:

when i ls -l ~/,x*

[10:11:25]

juski:

next try locate .xinitrc

[10:12:03]

christine_:

nothing happens :( it just go back to the prompt

[10:12:03]

juski:

I can't remember what other forms of x startup script there are

[10:12:34]

christine_:

im using ubuntu 7.04

[10:12:50]

juski:

fisty eh

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[10:13:08]

juski:

aka HypeOS

[10:13:16]

sebrock:

is it working nice cristine?

[10:13:30]

juski:

not that I'm knocking it;)

[10:13:37]

christine_:

yes its working my tv out all. except for this problem

[10:13:48]

juski:

did you just install the mythtv packages & not change any files yourself?

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christine_:

juski yes i just install the packages.

[10:14:17]

juski:

seriously? ouchy

[10:14:25]

jvs:

If anyone needs me, I'll b in the angry-dome! Ha!

[10:14:42]

christine_:

juski yes. :(

[10:14:45]

juski:

and by default they're starting mythfrontend when X starts whether you like it or not?! argghhh!

[10:15:07]

juski:

morning gbee

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christine_:

juski yes that's right. any idea how to remove this option :(

[10:15:41]

juski:

christine_: it'll be a config file _somewhere_

[10:15:53]

juski:

state my head's in I'm not much use right now

[10:16:06]

juski:

I'll tell ya what – I'll go & have a mooch around

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christine_:

juski ok thanks

[10:18:04]

juski:

christine_: try looking in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc

[10:19:02]

juski:

there's probably a nice GUI app in fisty for ticking which apps start up automagically

[10:22:09]

christine_:

juski i open the file this is just what inside. . /etc/X11/Xsession

[10:22:50]

gbee:

is it the backend or frontend which is starting automatically?

[10:23:01]

juski:

it's the frontend

[10:23:08]

juski:

packagers seem to have been naughty again

[10:23:21]

gbee:

knoppmyth, for example, starts it within a gdm related file in the users home directory

[10:23:33]

christine_:

the frontend starts automatically :( before the login screen.

[10:24:01]

juski:

so if it's before the login screen it must be before gdm loads

[10:24:26]

gbee:

./.fluxbox/apps:[startup] {/usr/bin/mythfrontend}./.fluxbox/menu: [exec] (MythTV) {/usr/bin/mythfrontend}

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gbee:

ahh

[10:24:55]

christine_:

gbee: what's that?

[10:25:02]

gbee:

have you tried grep'ing for mythfrontend in /etc?

[10:25:11]

gbee:

grep -r mythfrontend /etc

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juski:

aha! duh!

[10:25:25]

** juski slaps his own forehead **

[10:25:44]

christine_:

/etc/mythtv/openbox-menu.xml: <action name="Execute"><execute>mythfrontend</execute></acti on>

[10:25:49]

gbee:

it's the two files and lines within them which start mythfrontend automatically on knoppmyth

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christine_:

this is what is return.

[10:26:08]

christine_:

gbee: so how do i disable this one?

[10:27:16]

gbee:

deleting the line would probably do it – although I'm not sure the line in openbox-menu.xml is the one you are looking for

[10:27:36]

gbee:

juski will have to take care of you for now, need to feed the kitten

[10:27:44]

christine_:

ok thanks gbee :)

[10:28:31]

juski:

yeah go on – leave christine_ in my capable (though shaking) hands ;)

[10:29:15]

juski:

I reckon deleting that line will fix it too, though since it looks like real xml you _could_ comment it out by putting  around it

[10:29:32]

christine_:

juski i will try :)

[10:29:57]

juski:

if I were you I'd make a copy of the file first, juuust to be on the safe side

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christine_:

it does not work :(

[10:37:53]

christine_:

it still happening :(

[10:37:56]

woland_:

juski, looks like i already have the latest bios ;/

[10:40:48]

gbee:

christine_: it must be starting it elsewhere – it will take a little longer and produce some possibly worthless results, but you could try grepping the whole drive

[10:41:00]

gbee:

grep -r mythfrontend /

[10:41:40]

christine_:

ok ill will try that.

[10:42:11]

** juski wonders if we're going to have to help clean up much more ubuntu induced mess **

[10:43:29]

christine_:

i think this would takes time? or my pc hang?

[10:44:14]

juski:

it'll just take a long time

[10:45:01]

juski:

maybe searching /home first would be better

[10:46:54]

christine_:

ok i will control c this one. and try the /home first

[10:48:10]

juski:

then try /root

[10:48:25]

juski:

then /user

[10:48:35]

juski:

oops

[10:48:42]

juski:

I mean /usr

[10:49:49]

christine_:

juski is it normal? when i tride the home dir until now it does not go back to the prompt? is this still searching? i do not have many files in home dir.

[10:53:07]

juski:

let it take its course :)

[11:01:45]

christine_:

this is the doc i followed installing mythtv. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feis . . . nd_Frontend. i can not find any clue :(

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juski:

ahh

[11:07:40]

juski:

my guess is that the package manager did everything for you. how nice of it

[11:09:45]

juski:

bingo!

[11:09:47]

juski:

This meta package configures GDM to automatically login to fluxbox as the user mythtv. When the myth-frontend is closed the account automatically logs out

[11:10:01]

juski:

so there IS NO login screen

[11:10:46]

christine_:

juski: how do i remove this option? :)

[11:11:15]

juski:

uh.. hmmm

[11:11:32]

juski:

er... need to get my cogs going again somehow

[11:12:29]

christine_:

juski: what do you mean about the meta package? i very new in linux :(

[11:13:47]

juski:

it's basically a packaged script that automagically does stuff for you

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christine_:

juski: is there a way we can look the script? :)

[11:16:44]

juski:

probably

[11:18:20]

christine_:

this is bad :(

[11:19:38]

juski:

it says in the docs that if you want to use the machine for stuff other than mythtv, you should NOT install that package

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christine_:

juski: so i am screwed? :(

[11:21:59]

Lathiat:

if i've started recording manually, and theres a scheduled recording coming up, will it kill my manual record and start recording the scheduled show? (they overlap by 5 minutes)

[11:22:29]

christine_:

juski: i have not read that section? where did find it? :(

[11:22:56]

juski:

christine_: no use crying about it. maybe they'll be useful in #ubuntu :)

[11:23:13]

juski:

there's no doubt a simple command you can use to get your desktop back

[11:23:29]

juski:

I'm not in any shape to help you reconfigure your ubuntu desktop

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christine_:

juski: ok thanks :)

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juski:

time for several rounds of toast methinks

[11:33:58]

gardengnome:

heh

[11:34:14]

gardengnome:

people will always find a way to screw up the mythtv install on ubuntu, it seems :)

[11:37:00]

christine_:

juski: i think ur right :( do i need to reinstall my system?

[11:37:18]

christine_:

no body can answer me in ubuntu forums.

[11:37:58]

gardengnome:

christine_: talk to the guys in #ubuntu-mythtv

[11:39:30]

purserj:

Lathiat: I don't know, it might actually give you a warning but I haven't hit that yet

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** purserj pats his westwing scheduled recording **

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christine_:

at last i have solve my problem :)

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gardengnome:

christine_: how?

[11:47:48]

christine_:

not reading instruction . sudo apt-get install ubuntu-mythtv-frontend i just issue this command.

[11:48:14]

christine_:

Installing the frontend software is now very straightforward- A metapackage will properly setup a window manager, automatic login, and install the frontend.

[11:48:35]

christine_:

it was the metapacakges that will automatic login

[11:48:45]

christine_:

so i just remove it :)

[11:49:23]

juski:

I was going to suggest doing that but I didn't think it'd restore the original configuration

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christine_:

juski: thanks for helping. :)

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christine_:

bye. my mythtv is perfect :)

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tanq:

man i just about give up here.

[12:00:07]

tanq:

since noone is answering in #mplayer i'll try my luck here.

[12:00:26]

esperegu:

hmpf

[12:00:26]

tanq:

i'm still in the stage of trying to get my hdtv card to work.

[12:00:57]

juski:

testing it with dvbutils' azap is pretty much mandatory

[12:01:21]

tanq:

yeah weird enough the *zap utilities give me an error too

[12:02:03]

juski:

well, if you get no joy with them, there's definitely NO point trying anything else

[12:03:12]

tanq:

ok sorry i am getting FE_HAS_LOCK

[12:03:23]

gardengnome:

tanq: why don't you try #linuxtv?

[12:04:38]

tanq:

well, in theory since i have my channels and everything i thought i would be able to watch in mythfrontend.

[12:04:56]

esperegu:

should it be possible to have 2 clients watch live tv simultaniosly? (I have prv 500 (supposed te be dual) and saa7134 card)

[12:05:14]

tanq:

but 1) once i have mythfrontend open i don't know how to change to an HD channel.

[12:05:55]

tanq:

well forget about 2...

[12:06:48]

tanq:

i was trying to double check with mplayer but i imagine that i'm just having issues with mplayer since i can't see video there.

[12:06:52]

juski:

esperegu: yeah, but it'll use 2 tuners

[12:07:04]

juski:

tanq: try vlc

[12:07:13]

clever:

what about same channel?

[12:07:18]

juski:

try xine

[12:07:26]

juski:

try anything else :)

[12:09:05]

tanq:

the other thing i think i overlooked is one of the capture card setup attributes...

[12:13:17]

tanq:

ok i think i just fixed that piece.. that is probably why i couldnt see the hd content OTA

[12:13:48]

tanq:

i guess i need to get some coffee

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DaveMorris:

this is on ubuntu btw

[12:23:30]

gbee:

DaveMorris: have you checked the permissions for the device

[12:23:33]

gbee:

?

[12:23:59]

DaveMorris:

I tried running with sudo same problems, but where are they to check anyway?

[12:25:59]

juski:

verify your tuner hardware is worky outside of mythtv _before_ playing with mythtv :0

[12:26:06]

gbee:

ok, that means the correct driver _isn't_ installed

[12:26:09]

juski:

saves many a disappointment :)

[12:26:31]

gbee:

modprobe cx88_dvb

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DaveMorris:

juski: I had 1 of these cards and a T500, took the T500 out to replace it with the other card and now I can't get either to wrk again

[12:27:29]

DaveMorris:

gbee: I assume I want that loaded each time?

[12:27:35]

gbee:

DaveMorris: yes

[12:28:21]

DaveMorris:

cheers, I knew I was forgetting something simmple

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gbee:

I can't remember the exact list of modules you need loaded for the Nova-T

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woland_:

this is really strange. openbsd see's my tv card but linux on the same machine doesn't

[12:28:38]

gbee:

after loading that module, check if the dvb folder has been created

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gbee:

iirc it should load the frontend drivers automatically but that depends on the kernel and you may need to load them manually

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gbee:

woland_: when you say it can't see the card, you mean no device is created for it? Or that it doesn't show in lspci?

[12:30:50]

woland_:

doesn't show in lspci

[12:30:58]

woland_:

and nothing obvious in dmesg

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DaveMorris:

woland_: what card is it?

[12:31:22]

woland_:

nova-t

[12:31:54]

woland_:

the same thing happens on two machines

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gbee:

ok, that is odd

[12:32:40]

gbee:

I did have a broken card once which wouldn't show up properly with lspci

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woland_:

openbsd picks up the device details seemingly fine

[12:34:07]

gbee:

don't think it should make a difference, but what kernel?

[12:34:24]

woland_:

it's the feisty installer

[12:34:40]

woland_:

dapper install exhibited the same problem

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gbee:

guess it's a problem with the installer

[12:35:27]

gbee:

but I don't have any ideas beyond that

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woland_:

sorry, by dapper install i mean the installed version of dapper

[12:37:15]

gbee:

never had that problem with any card, not even my Nova-T

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gbee:

I don't use ubuntu but I can't see why it that would be any different

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DaveMorris:

I'm using dapper

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DaveMorris:

and not a problem

[12:38:27]

woland_:

i have a usb hvr tuner somewhere but i read digital isn't supported yet

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woland_:

i think i'll return the card

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DaveMorris:

one of the Nova T cards is 2 usb's bolted together that appears under lsusb

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gbee:

woland_: ahh, yeah you were getting the Nova-T 500

[12:39:56]

gbee:

try lsusb

[12:40:00]

woland_:

gbee, yeah it arrived this morning

[12:40:15]

DaveMorris:

T500 is 2 usb modules

[12:40:23]

DaveMorris:

it appears under lspci as a usb controller

[12:41:11]

juski:

strange. the hd promo vid now plays fine on my machine

[12:41:28]

woland_:

fantastic, it's there

[12:41:39]

woland_:

will it still be supported by mythtv?

[12:41:40]

gbee:

woland_: I've got to go, but it should be as simple as modprobing the dvb_usb_dib0700 module to get that card working

[12:41:47]

gbee:

woland_: yeah

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woland_:

thanks guys!!

[12:41:59]

gbee:

modprobe dvb_usb_dib0700 force_lna_activation=1

[12:42:23]

gbee:

will load the module, and you'll see it recognised in dmesg

[12:43:25]

gbee:

one pointing at #0 and the other at #1

[12:44:24]

gbee:

works best with kernels 2.6.20 upwards, I don't know what feisty ships with

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gbee:

uname -r

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** gbee is really going now **

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woland_:

lol thanks man

[12:47:32]

woland_:

i'm sure when you return i'll have mythtv setup completely

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woland_:

(in theory)

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woland_:

i now need to find which cable to attach the soundcard to the tv with

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DaveMorris:

woland_: You just have scart into the TV?

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woland_:

vga -> vga

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DaveMorris:

woland_: better tv than me then ;)

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DaveMorris:

those 3.5mm jack to 2 RCA plugs will do the sound for you then

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woland_:

hehe cheap lcd from argos

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DaveMorris:

they are about £1 on ebuyer

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DaveMorris:

mines a 10yr old CRT

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woland_:

ahh

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woland_:

ebuyer is so cheap

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woland_:

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/120812

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DaveMorris:

that won't work for the sound ;)

[12:55:58]

woland_:

lol

[12:56:44]

DaveMorris:

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/107872 will do the sound though, unless you have a cinemia amp, then you can use digital

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juski:

roflmao.. http://www.thedoctorsays.co.uk/ NOT kiddie safe btw

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woland_:

thanks DaveMorris

[12:58:32]

woland_:

i'm still kicking myself about not paying attention to openbsd recognizing my card as a ugen (generic USB device)

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DaveMorris:

woland_: I made the same mistake with my card

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DaveMorris:

the company should jsut say in the manaul under *NIX that its a usb card

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woland_:

would save a lot of headaches

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speedsi1:

Hi all

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Kazan:

wtb: HD indicator on the upcoming recordings page in mythweb

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Zider:

juski: wtf is that? :P

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juski:

Tom Baker being obscene

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Zider:

who is that?

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juski:

the best Dr Who actor _ever_

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Zider:

Dr whatnow?

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speedsi1:

anyone any idea why the seek amount option has disappeared from setup in svn? It's listed in the wiki, can't even find any reference to it in the db

[13:09:45]

speedsi1:

currently set to 30ses forward and 5 back

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juski:

ugh I can't sit & play vice city.. making me feel nauteous

[13:11:07]

Zider:

vice city <3

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Zider:

too bad it's not linux native

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Kazan:

anyone have the IR receiver from the KWorld ATSC 110 working?

[13:18:43]

juski:

muhahaha.. http://www.pastebin.ca/451358

[13:19:14]

speedsi1:

haha

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speedsi1:

I am trying to suss out what is so 'smart' about the smart shuffle in mythmusic, what is it doing exactly?

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juski:

no idea. not a big user of mythmusic

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speedsi1:

I think it's just bypassing tracks it things sucks. clever

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padd173:

Ubuntu Server or Desktop for a MythTV box? And how much RAM is perfect? 1 or 2GB?

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Solv:

padd173, u just using it solely as a mythbox?

[13:37:21]

padd173:

yes

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Solv:

have you though about mythdora or knoppmyth?

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juski:

padd173: 1GB should be more than enough

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padd173:

No... why should I think about those versions?

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juski:

I'd suggest knoppmyth

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padd173:

why?

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juski:

padd173: because all you want is mythtv, and with those two that's what you get.. a distro that comes with mythtv built in

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Solv:

cause they are designed solely around mythtv

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padd173:

do they have no disadvantages over plain mythtv?

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padd173:

like hardware support?

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Solv:

1 Gig ram should be enough...i am running on 768 and rarely use it all

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juski:

both of them probably support more hardware than ubuntu does out of the box

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padd173:

knoppmyth has no disadvantages over mythtv?

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padd173:

aha...

[13:40:07]

padd173:

no disadvantages then... (hm?)

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juski:

you stand less chance of stuff going wrong with knoppmyth

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padd173:

ok, knoppmyth it is then

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juski:

no disadvantages I can think of

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gardengnome:

juski: when exactly did you become a knopmmyth advocate? running out of kittens? :)

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padd173:

the 3d games will play fine on knoppmyth?

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padd173:

ok

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gardengnome:

what 3d gamesß

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gardengnome:

?`

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Solv:

mame =)

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padd173:

no 3d games? oh , ok :-)

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Solv:

awesome new style 3d gaming

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juski:

gardengnome: better be that than an ubunaut ;)

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gardengnome:

:)

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padd173:

(I won't even be using any video output from the box... I'll look at the program from my other PC!)

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juski:

padd173: not on windows you won't... unless you're only talking about watching shows you've recorded

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padd173:

(a windows PC)

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padd173:

yes

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padd173:

but the next version of... i don't remember the name of the software, will support live tv

[13:43:38]

juski:

mythweb?

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padd173:

I'll tell you in a second

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gardengnome:

dsmyth?

[13:44:09]

gardengnome:

tapeworm? winmyth?

[13:44:13]

padd173:

mythtv player: http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/

[13:44:17]

padd173:

is it not a good program?

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juski:

winmyth.. pffft

[13:44:46]

padd173:

what about mythtv? isn't it good?

[13:44:54]

padd173:

what about mythtv player, i m ean? isn't it good?

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juski:

never tried it

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juski:

looks like any other VB app to me

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padd173:

is that bad?

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padd173:

will it crash?

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juski:

who knows?

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juski:

try it!

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padd173:

Yes!

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padd173:

:-)

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juski:

if software I paid good money for crashes more often than mythtv & other OSS apps, who do I complain to? ;)

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gardengnome:

bitch at them for not releasing the source code like some pathetic GPL advocate

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juski:

padd173: bear in mind that mythtvplayer only supports mpeg2 recordings, so that rules out you using a framegrabber card

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gardengnome:

juski: "Plays MPEG2, transcoded recordings and High Definition (only stereo).)"?

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juski:

so does that mean it supports nuv too? interesting

[13:47:55]

juski:

bah anyway who cares about lamegrabbers

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padd173:

juski: i thought all framegrabber cards, like hauppauge, use mpeg2

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juski:

pvr tuner cards (pvr150, pvr250, pvr350 & pvr500), DVB cards & HDTV cards give you mpeg2

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padd173:

a

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padd173:

and there's hardware that do mpeg4?

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juski:

framegrabber cards are encoded in software to mpeg4 or nuppelvideo (basically RTJPEG)

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padd173:

does

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gardengnome:

yep, some plextor hardwarwe

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juski:

yes. one tuner. the plextor convertx

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padd173:

do you a link to one or two frame grabbers?

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juski:

my advice would be to _avoid_ frame grabber cards & only get those with encode to mpeg on board

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padd173:

ok

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padd173:

an example card that does mpeg4 on board then?

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padd173:

(I thought hauppauge was the best choice...)

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juski:

Plextor ConvertX, a USB device

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juski:

no other tuner card encodes to mpeg4 in realtime in hardware

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juski:

at least none that work in linux

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padd173:

the HD space saving doesn't seem that good with this card: http://www.plextor.com/english/products/Conve . . . sonadisc.htm

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padd173:

I was expecting like 1 hour per CD

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padd173:

...Is the bitrate configurable?

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Solv:

in HD?

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padd173:

No, not in HD

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juski:

per CD?! shit

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padd173:

in highly compressed

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padd173:

mpeg4

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Solv:

i would imagine sd could possibly do it

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padd173:

is the bitrate configurable on this card?

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Solv:

be squashed down to one cd in mpeg4

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Solv:

padd173, sorry i don't know

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padd173:

juski?

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padd173:

ok

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juski:

why does it have to fit on a cd?

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padd173:

yes, or any other 700MB media

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padd173:

I want to write thousands of hours on each hard disk

[13:59:30]

padd173:

and when blu-ray come out, I want to store years of TV footage in my library

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padd173:

I'm a storage freak

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juski:

is anything worth keeping that long?!

[13:59:48]

padd173:

years? Decades more like!

[14:00:00]

padd173:

I want to write every news report

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juski:

I never even watch DVD movies I buy

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padd173:

I want to record whatever every politician says on TV

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padd173:

to make nice funny montages afterwards

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juski:

now there I can see the point.

[14:00:36]

padd173:

and laugh at them

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juski:

fancy doing a bit of that myself

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padd173:

we need a searchable database

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padd173:

voice recognition software

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padd173:

etc

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padd173:

:-) professional work

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juski:

sounds like some MS BS ;)

[14:02:02]

padd173:

By BS you mean marketing speak?

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padd173:

And MS = M$?

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padd173:

confused

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juski:

BS == marketing speak

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padd173:

Anyway

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padd173:

The central idea is not bad

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woland_:

do i need to use a TVOutFormat with vga?

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gardengnome:

that was random

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TSCHAK:

ugh

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Solv:

woland_, don't think so...only for tv out

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woland_:

thanks

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punter:

This card says it's for Windows XP Media Center Edition – http://www.morecomputers.co.uk/extra.asp?pn=0 . . . erer=Froogle

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punter:

I should ignore that, right?

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punter:

(works on mythtv probly)

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punter:

There's no buy button...

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punter:

out of stock

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gbee:

woland_: yes, if it doesn't check 'dmesg'

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woland_:

gbee, got it, just had to grab the firmware

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gbee:

woland_: ah

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woland_:

i'm now working on getting a better quality picture

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gbee:

forgot about the firmware

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woland_:

hehe

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gbee:

picture quality or signal quality? digital is either perfect or not, there's no middle ground

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woland_:

general picture quality like the desktop is pretty grainy

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gbee:

of course you could mean between the graphics card and the TV (or whatever other screen you are using)

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woland_:

yeah i have the tv attached to the geforce 6600 using a vga cable

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gbee:

woland_: I had a similar problem unless I used the proper interlaced modeline for my TV

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woland_:

how would i calculate a decent modeline?

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gbee:

is a PAL modeline

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woland_:

are they pretty standard accross tv's?

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gbee:

yep, at least that generic modeline worked well for me

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juski:

YMMV with specific modelines

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gbee:

so long as you get one to match your local format e.g. PAL, NTSC

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blackest:

hi all

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blackest:

anyone good with nfs ?

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woland_:

should i get rid of the Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" Display subsections?

[15:50:48]

woland_:

blackest, whats the problem?

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juski:

woland_: just comment em out

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gbee:

the key to getting the picture right on my TV turned out to be using the right refresh rate (~50) and using an interlaced modeline

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blackest:

but when i try to mount it i get perm.. one moment

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woland_:

gbee, my rates were auto generated

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woland_:

HorizSync 28.0 – 51.0

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woland_:

VertRefresh 43.0 – 60.0

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gbee:

no need to change the refresh or sync, the modeline itself determines the precise figure used – those just limit the possible range

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woland_:

ah cool thanks

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gbee:

e.g. a modeline which tries to use a 70 Vertical Refresh rate wouldn't actually work because it's outside the limits permitted

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woland_:

i'll try the line you pasted

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gbee:

woland_: it's a good place to start

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gbee:

just make sure X has actually started in that res (720x576) using 'xrandr'

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blackest:

hmm it might work since i realised i am on .3 not .7 and i added .3 to hosts allowed

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gbee:

sometimes it fails for one reason or another and silently falls back to a default resolution e.g. 1024x768

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TSCHAK:

is there a switch to turn off that #@$(@#$(@# annoying "We couldn't get a signal lock dialog box?"

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gbee:

TSCHAK: but do please start a petition to Daniel to provide the option

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gbee:

TSCHAK: I meant to say "No, but"

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anykey_:

j-rod: you here?

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gbee:

anyone experiencing a segfault in mythmusic? #2557

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hari_seldon99:

Hi

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hari_seldon99:

anybody home?

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gardengnome:

no

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hari_seldon99:

heh

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hari_seldon99:

I'm having a bit of a problem with my mythtv PVR and was hoping for some insights

[16:18:42]

hari_seldon99:

I built a PVR box with Knoppmyth R5A16 about a year and a half ago. Mysetup is basically a 120GB HD+PVR250+PVR150 with the ivtv-0.4 driversusing tv-out to a television. Everything has been working fine untilthis morning. I was watching live tv from my other linux box (connetingto my PVR over the network using mythfrontend) when live tv suddenlyfroze. After a soft reboot there was no change. Live tv continues tofail to sh

[16:18:54]

hari_seldon99:

errors here: http://pastebin.ca/444827

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gardengnome:

hari_seldon99: check the backend logs, they're likely in /var/log/mythtv/

[16:21:24]

hari_seldon99:

yes I did

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hari_seldon99:

hang on, I'll post the contents on pastebin...

[16:23:15]

hari_seldon99:

Here is the latest from mythbackend.log:

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hari_seldon99:

http://pastebin.ca/451515

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hari_seldon99:

errors from line 544 onwards

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hari_seldon99:

This suddenly started to happen two days ago when I was watching live tv remotely

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hari_seldon99:

Now no more livetv or recording :-(

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gardengnome:

can you please pastebin the output of dmesg?

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hari_seldon99:

sure

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hari_seldon99:

here it is: http://pastebin.ca/451521

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gardengnome:

dmesg looks good.

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gardengnome:

can you please paste the *complete* backend log including the beginning? i suspect something is wrong with your mysql database.

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gardengnome:

hari_seldon99: also check "df -h", maybe a file system filled up

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gbee:

I've just had to fix one of my machines precisely because the disk was full

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gbee:

turned out to be mythfrontend caught in a LiveTV loop, which in turn created an over 400Mb nohup.out

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gbee:

so I'm now diverting the output from mythfrontend to /dev/null

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hari_seldon99:

disks are not full

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hari_seldon99:

cache is 1% and /myth partition is 18%

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hari_seldon99:

sorry 28%

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gardengnome:

hari_seldon99: is /var/ a separate partition?

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hari_seldon99:

no

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hari_seldon99:

it's in root

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hari_seldon99:

The file mythbackend.log is here: http://pastebin.ca/444827

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hari_seldon99:

do you need to see earlier logs as well?

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gbee:

hmm, logs suggest corruption and general filesystem problems

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hari_seldon99:

corruption of the sql database?

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gardengnome:

um

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hari_seldon99:

yeah I saw that too

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gardengnome:

that's 0.18. hum

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hari_seldon99:

though it may be permission

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hari_seldon99:

but /cache is write-enabled for user

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hari_seldon99:

ls -ld /cache shows: drwxr-xr-x 4 mythtv mythtv 35 Apr 17 08:13 /cache

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gbee:

yes and no, the errors proceeding and following the DB query failures suggest wider spread problems – e.g. it's having trouble reading the disk

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hari_seldon99:

so the partition is bolloxed?

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gbee:

first it complains it can't see mysql, then it finds mysql but queries are failing because of missing columns which shouldn't be missing

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hari_seldon99:

yeah

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gbee:

then it complains it can't see the video device etc

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gbee:

so I'd be looking for one of two things, a failing drive or a lose hdd cable

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hari_seldon99:

right, but if the hd is failing then I shouldn;t be able to access it from shell either

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hari_seldon99:

I'm logged into the maching thru ssh

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gardengnome:

um

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gardengnome:

of course, why not?

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gbee:

although having said that, the video device error could be related to the failure to find the correct information in the database

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hari_seldon99:

I see

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gbee:

so I'd try running a repair on the database first

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hari_seldon99:

I forgot all my swl stuff

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hari_seldon99:

sql stuff

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hari_seldon99:

haven;t fiddled with the database in months

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gbee:

there is a repair script in the contrib/ directory of mythtv

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hari_seldon99:

right

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gbee:

let's hope it's that simple

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hari_seldon99:

where is it exactly?

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woland_:

mplayer dvb:// now works but mythtv doesn't seem to be able to access the card

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hound:

has anybody written a script yet that will stream youtube videos via myth interface?

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woland_:

i started with just one to make sure it workd

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hari_seldon99:

I ran "locate contrib" but found nothing in my mythtv dirs

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juski:

hound: nope. thanks for volunteering

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hari_seldon99:

shall I try mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p<password> mythconverg

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hari_seldon99:

?

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juski:

or I could be wrong.. I have a vague recollection of somebody fiddling with mythnews last year to do such a thing. no idea what became of it though

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gardengnome:

hari_seldon99: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . ze_mythdb.pl

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hari_seldon99:

thanks

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hari_seldon99:

so I just download that perl script and run it in my mythbox?

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hound:

juski, :-) didn't want to re-invent the wheel.

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hari_seldon99:

I ran the script, it crashed with the error:

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hari_seldon99:

mythtv@mythtv:~$ perl ./optimize_mythdb.pl

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hari_seldon99:

Bareword found where operator expected at ./optimize_mythdb.pl line 9, near "/branches/release"

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hari_seldon99:

(Missing operator before release?)

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hari_seldon99:

syntax error at ./optimize_mythdb.pl line 8, near "<"

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hari_seldon99:

Unrecognized character xE2 at ./optimize_mythdb.pl line 9.

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** juski laughs **

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juski:

you shouldn't just have used wget

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hari_seldon99:

heh sorry

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juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/13303/branc . . . ze_mythdb.pl

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hari_seldon99:

it got the wrong file

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tank-man:

did you compile mythtv with perl bindings?

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hari_seldon99:

can I just copy-paste?

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hari_seldon99:

I didn;t compile mythtv

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hari_seldon99:

it came pre-installed with the distro

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tank-man:

find out if it was compiled with perl bindings

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juski:

why the hell don't some packagers include /contrib ffs?

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hari_seldon99:

ok, I'll google for it

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juski:

and what on Earth difference would perl bindings make for the db optimise script to work I wonder?

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tank-man:

i dont know, it is a perl script

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hari_seldon99:

hmm

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juski:

that script is pretty mcuh standalone

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hari_seldon99:

I'm having trouble copying the script

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juski:

hari_seldon99: so use http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . l?format=txt

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hari_seldon99:

right, I got it

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juski:

select it all, copy it & paste it into a text editor, save the file, chmod +x it to make it executable...

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hari_seldon99:

right

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juski:

or use a subversion client to check out the file :)

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juski:

and when you're done, go hassle the packager for your distro to include the /contrib scripts in future releases

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hari_seldon99:

it's running...

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juski:

that is, unless they're already in /usr/share/ somewhere

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hari_seldon99:

it finished

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hari_seldon99:

now do I restart all the services

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hari_seldon99:

?

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hari_seldon99:

it repaired/optimized a whole bunch of stuff

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hari_seldon99:

I'm rebooting the pvr

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hari_seldon99:

should take a couple of minutes

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hari_seldon99:

right, I finished rebooting, but mythtv still refuses to get livetv

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hari_seldon99:

here are the new set of errors from the remote frontend: http://pastebin.ca/451548

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hari_seldon99:

Mostly this:2007-04–21 11:59:22.419 RemoteFile::Read() failed in RingBuffer::safe_read().

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tank-man:

hari_seldon99, what version of mythtv are you running?

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tank-man:

i see "Using protocol version 15"

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hari_seldon99:

yeah

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tank-man:

current is like 31 or 32

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juski:

protocol version 15?! wow

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tank-man:

your mythtv is so old i think

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hari_seldon99:

yeah, I built it 18 months ago

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hari_seldon99:

it was working flawlessly, so didn;t want to fiddle with it

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hari_seldon99:

until now that is

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juski:

fair nuff

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hari_seldon99:

so is there any way to fix this problem short of a full reformat/reinstall?

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juski:

the remote frontend's hostname isn't the same as the backend's, is it?

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hari_seldon99:

no

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tank-man:

i recommend updating mythtv

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woland_:

now i'm getting errors about the card being set to start on a non-existent channel

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hari_seldon99:

Well I'm using Knoppmyth

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hari_seldon99:

the old version R5A16

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juski:

woland_: you bound a video source to the card, woland_ ?

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hari_seldon99:

so I guess I'll have to upgrade to the latest version

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woland_:

juski, yeah

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hari_seldon99:

but if the database is corrupt then won;t the corruption carry through the update?

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woland_:

juski, it never found any channels in the scan though

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juski:

woland_: you don't need to add a new source or scan for channels if you've another card of the same type

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juski:

i.e. if you're just adding another dvb-t tuner, give it the same source as the other dvb-t card(s)

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woland_:

juski, there both using the same source

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woland_:

i was following http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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juski:

does dvbutils' scan work with the new dvb tuner?

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woland_:

yeah

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woland_:

i managed to create a channels.conf earlier

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juski:

right

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juski:

what I'd have done is just set up the new card in mythtv-setup, then bind the video source you already have to it in 'input connections'

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woland_:

i think i'll start over

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juski:

I think I'll go back to bed in an hour or so.

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hari_seldon99:

So should I upgrade mythtv (which would prolly keep the current database) or do a fresh install?

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woland_:

should i just confugure the on capture source to start with?

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clever:

going to watch a show my backend recorded while i was out of the house

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clever:

without going home

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anykey_:

what would you recommend for the recording width & height for a PVR-500 that gets its input from analogue tv

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anykey_:

?

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woland_:

and no device tree for cardid 1

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woland_:

i get signal strength initially then it falls to zero

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woland_:

is the console withe the grabbing: tuning?

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boardom:

Does anyone know what would cause the listings being grabbed to differ from the listings on Zap2It's site.. I'm missing several channels, the good ones ofcourse...

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Kazan:

from observation.. it seems Xine's XXMC driver (nvidia specific xvmc) is faster than MythTV's internal Standard XVMC

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juski:

other players have been seen to be more efficient than mythtv's own player

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gardengnome:

eg mplayer. ;)

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Kazan:

hmm

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Kazan:

encoder 1 is not coming up

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Kazan:

but i'm not getting an error message from backend

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Kazan:

there we go... DVBChan(0) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed. eno: No such file or directory (2)

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Kazan:

weird

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Kazan:

ah

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Kazan:

saa7134-dvb isn't automatically modprobed and i typoed it's modprobe in my rc.local

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juski:

if you're running something debian/ubunut, just put saa7134-dvb in /etc/modules

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sc00p:

thanks juski, briand, that worked

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Kazan:

juski: fedora

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Kazan:

i don't know exactly what to put in /etc/modprobe.conf

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Kazan:

there isn't an entry for saa7134

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Kazan:

it's just automodprobed

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Kazan:

afk now

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Kazan|AFK:

if i put an entry for a removeable device in /etc/fstab will it automatically mount it?

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ekay:

i tried!

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Staticwave_Ace:

there's a repeat setting for .lircrc to ignore multiple button presses

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ekay:

i cant figure out what those parapeters mean

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ekay:

ohh really?

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Staticwave_Ace:

there's a program to do it for you

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ekay:

yah.. irrecord

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esperegu:

how can I set the order of my video devices in ubuntu? (I have to cards and each time another gets initialized first)

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ekay:

i ran that

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Staticwave_Ace:

so you created a file and labeled all the keys then

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ekay:

and it is what gives me the repeating buttons

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Staticwave_Ace:

thats a function of the remote

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Staticwave_Ace:

my does doubles

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Staticwave_Ace:

you handle it at the application level

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ekay:

ahhhhh

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ekay:

okay

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Staticwave_Ace:

ekay: read up on .lircrc, the "repeat" option

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ekay:

so the repeat=5 is what tells it that for every 5 key, only send 1 to myth?

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LoneShadow2:

whats a good value for max_binlog_size in /etc/mysql/my.cnf ?

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Staticwave_Ace:

ekay: exactly

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LoneShadow2:

the default 100M is taking lot of space

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ekay:

thanks dude ;]

[18:22:29]

ekay:

esperegu: i think you can do it in /etc/modprobe.conf

[18:22:50]

ekay:

LoneShadow: 100megs is a lot of space?

[18:23:10]

esperegu:

ekay: that file does not exists

[18:23:13]

ekay:

do u store all ur recordings from myth in 240x320

[18:23:13]

LoneShadow:

well as of now /var/log/mysql has 500MB files

[18:23:21]

LoneShadow:

dont know how much more its going to eat up :)

[18:23:53]

ekay:

esperegu: man modprobe.conf

[18:23:59]

LoneShadow:

ekay: you asking me about the recordings ?

[18:24:27]

ekay:

lone: im just saying, in the grand scheme of things, 100megs is smaller than every recording i have ;]

[18:24:51]

LoneShadow:

ekay: it depends on how you have partitioned your system :)

[18:25:23]

LoneShadow:

my root fs has /var/log/mysql, either I have to change location for this, or reduce the size

[18:26:24]

ekay:

how about 0

[18:26:28]

ekay:

logs are for suckers. ;]

[18:26:42]

ekay:

i think by default fedora doesnt log

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esperegu:

ekay: any chance you know what I should add to define order?

[18:35:03]

juski:

read up on udev rules, esperegu

[18:35:22]

esperegu:

juski: where?

[18:35:43]

juski:

google for "udev rules $name_of_the_distro_you_use"

[18:39:05]

esperegu:

juski: that's no easy shit...

[18:39:20]

juski:

an easier way is to blacklist modules

[18:39:31]

juski:

to stop them being automagically loaded

[18:40:03]

juski:

then you just load the modules you need in a module script or something in a boot-time script – that way you can determine the order the devices appear in

[18:40:50]

juski:

one of the drawbacks with module blacklisting is that it's only useful if the devices you want to control are sufficiently different

[18:41:43]

juski:

e.g. if you had 2 completely different tuner cards but they both used the same kernel modules you couldn't use blacklisting

[18:42:52]

juski:

I sometimes think it'd make much more sense to name devices what they actually are, so you'd have (for example) /dev/hauppauge/pvr150/card1 or whatever. that'd be nice.

[18:43:30]

juski:

that's be linux for human beings!

[18:44:08]

Staticwave_Ace:

not LSB compliant

[18:44:15]

Staticwave_Ace:

you fail :)

[18:44:39]

tank-man:

juski, you can do that with udev

[18:44:44]

ekay:

bsd does that

[18:44:52]

esperegu:

juski: =)

[18:45:09]

tank-man:

my tv card is /dev/pvr250

[18:45:11]

esperegu:

tank-man: the id was that i was saying that it is hard.

[18:45:27]

esperegu:

tank-man: is that easy to do?

[18:45:35]

tank-man:

yes

[18:45:46]

esperegu:

I have a pvr500 (2 tuners) and a saa7134

[18:45:55]

esperegu:

but they get mixed around at boot...

[18:46:05]

juski:

tank-man: I *know* you can do that with udev, but 'udev rules' is such an oxymoron ;)

[18:46:18]

tank-man:

heres the line i have for my udev rule for my card: DRIVER=="ivtv", SYSFS{name}=="ivtv? encoder MPEG", ID=="0000:04:08.0", SYMLINK+="pvr250", MODE="0666"

[18:46:36]

esperegu:

tank-man: where to put it?

[18:46:38]

juski:

as for it not being LSB compliant – who gives a crap about that if your device names don't make any bloody *real* sense?

[18:47:12]

esperegu:

tank-man: but I need two entries for that.

[18:47:12]

tank-man:

esperegu, on my pc it is in /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules

[18:47:25]

tank-man:

yes you do

[18:47:27]

esperegu:

since the pvr500 has two tuners

[18:47:54]

esperegu:

how can you make that dynamic than?

[18:48:01]

tank-man:

learning to write a udev rule is easy. very good howtos out there

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esperegu:

tank-man: that's why juski was right.... that will not be the way to get linux to humanity ;-)

[18:49:08]

tank-man:

i dont care if the world is using linux :P

[18:49:49]

esperegu:

hehe

[18:49:50]

esperegu:

I do.

[18:49:58]

esperegu:

but anywauy.

[18:50:14]

esperegu:

you accidently know how I should adapt that line to fit my case?

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tank-man:

start by reading a howto ? it will be under 5min to read and write it

[18:51:03]

tank-man:

give me your root password and i can help

[18:51:05]

tank-man:

:)

[18:51:27]

esperegu:

=)

[18:51:34]

esperegu:

no access to that box from outside

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tank-man:

i am not a "google proxy"

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esperegu:

=)

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[19:56:57]

deadlyninja:

mythtv is recording new episodes, consuming hd space, but they dont show up on the "watch recordings" list

[19:57:04]

deadlyninja:

svn 13285

[19:57:22]

Dagmar:

Change your filter setting

[19:57:27]

deadlyninja:

where is that at?

[19:58:04]

Dagmar:

Hit MENU monkey child

[19:58:14]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

[19:58:14]

Dagmar:

RIght there when you're looking at the recordings

[20:00:32]

deadlyninja:

i didnt know that m opened a menu

[20:00:36]

deadlyninja:

that was it

[20:03:10]

deadlyninja:

yeah it was a good guess

[20:03:40]

juski:

I can heartily recommend reading the manual pages in the official wiki. I've learned a lot about mythtv from the documentation

[20:04:18]

deadlyninja:

my capture card stopped working and previously there was no menu for that screen

[20:04:27]

deadlyninja:

so when i updated i didnt know there was anything new

[20:04:29]

juski:

for ages I didn't realise you could press 'record' while viewing the programme guide to record a show, even then it took me a while to discover that repeated presses cycle through different options!

[20:05:02]

juski:

there are loads of little nuggets like that everywhere

[20:05:24]

juski:

I also recommend _playing_ around when you're not actually using mythtv

[20:05:34]

juski:

find out where stuff lives, get used to it

[20:06:08]

Dagmar:

Yeop

[20:06:17]

Dagmar:

The more you mess with it, the easier it gets to use

[20:06:18]

deadlyninja:

what do you mean, "where stuff lives"?

[20:06:41]

juski:

where things are located

[20:06:41]

Dagmar:

Learning where various menu items are, so you don't get into the habit of just wandering around in the menus like a nomadic tribesman

[20:06:47]

juski:

useful things to know

[20:07:33]

juski:

using filters in mythvideo is a good example

[20:07:42]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[20:07:48]

deadlyninja:

man tv is so bad, i guess i should uninstall mythtv and save time for something useful

[20:08:04]

Dagmar:

That's really something you would have just found on your own if you'd done a bit of exploring while you were looking at the "problem"

[20:08:12]

juski:

you could teach other people in your household what you know, then test them every week & chop off a limb for every wrong answer. you could have all kinds of fun

[20:08:24]

deadlyninja:

i thought it was a bug, how was i supposed to know it was hiding things

[20:08:32]

Dagmar:

deadlyninja: THink of it as time spent *now* to save time later

[20:08:35]

juski:

you were supposed to read the docs ;)

[20:08:36]

deadlyninja:

i just figured it wasnt updating the db

[20:08:51]

Dagmar:

Give it a month and you'll know what you can and can't get away with with the commflagger, and THAT is a substantial amount of time back

[20:09:12]

juski:

unless you're just one of the people who upgrades merely for the sake of it.. "woooo new stuff! don't care what it is, but it's _new_ !"

[20:09:12]

deadlyninja:

im not going to reread the docs everytime i update

[20:09:17]

Dagmar:

I can buzz through the editor and spot check the commflagging points now in less than the time of one commercial break.

[20:09:22]

Dagmar:

You don't have to reread the docs.

[20:09:29]

juski:

oh well, you're welcome to wallow in your ignorance then :)

[20:09:32]

Dagmar:

Hell, I only read the installation docs

[20:09:48]

deadlyninja:

im using gentoo and it gets updated automatically

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[20:10:04]

Dagmar:

Yeh, so?

[20:10:08]

juski:

nothing gets updated automagically in gentoo. you have to emerge stuff

[20:10:30]

Dagmar:

THey are not in a state where they're making dramatic changes to the front line interface

[20:10:31]

deadlyninja:

its automatic as in it takes effort NOT to upgrade something

[20:10:45]

juski:

ah the joy of gentoo.

[20:11:45]

juski:

I wish I could've seen the faces of the folks who were shocked to see that livetv was 'broken' in SVN a while back

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juski:

that would've been funny as hell

[20:12:01]

deadlyninja:

what do you mean it was broken?

[20:12:12]

dunstabulos_:

hi i'm in the uk and trying to use a dvb-t usb device but scan is not finding any channels

[20:12:17]

juski:

it was disabled for a while, while major work was done on it

[20:12:43]

Dagmar:

SVN HEAD is *not* guaranteed to compile, let alone *work* at any given moment

[20:12:49]

dunstabulos_:

it runs, then gets filter timeout errors and dumps a list with no services

[20:13:03]

Dagmar:

Hence why we chant "0.20-fixes unless yer a masochist" to the new users

[20:13:11]

juski:

dunstabulos_: whoops. do not pass GO, do not collect 200 quids :(

[20:13:16]

deadlyninja:

someone at gentoo picks which svn versions are good, so its not like every svn update gets compiled

[20:13:54]

juski:

dunstabulos_: possibly a subject more suited to #linuxtv, the IRC channel dedicated to linux DVB devices

[20:14:26]

juski:

dunstabulos_: device nodes all present & correct? maybe you're missing the firmware for the tuner...

[20:14:35]

Dagmar:

There should be a detailed guide for dealing with DVB-T

[20:14:42]

Dagmar:

TOo many people are clueless about it

[20:15:19]

juski:

load the kernel modules, then check dmesg for errors...

[20:15:24]

dunstabulos_:

juski: i downloaded and added the firmware, and it doesn't complain about anything missing

[20:15:25]

juski:

yada yada yada

[20:15:46]

dunstabulos_:

any guide links or sources of information would be handy, i was using a guide but it didn't have any advice for this situation

[20:15:46]

juski:

maybe it's one of the plethora of usb dvb devices which is a PoS & not worky in linux

[20:15:59]

Dagmar:

Yep

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dunstabulos_:

[20:16:09]

Dagmar:

a _detailed_ checklist would help out there immensely

[20:16:17]

Dagmar:

I'd write one, but I do not have a DVB anything

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juski:

dunstabulos_: do you know your aerial is good enough for digital?

[20:16:44]

juski:

do you have another dvb-t tuner?

[20:17:01]

juski:

were you using the right base file for scanning?

[20:18:17]

juski:

I'd understand if you'd used the wrong file – I mean expecting you to know what your nearest mast is called is a bit 'out there' really

[20:18:31]

juski:

but it's easy to find out if you know where to look ;)

[20:19:16]

dunstabulos_:

juski: used it in winders fine. and i'm 90% sure we are sandyheath as sandy is a few miles away

[20:19:33]

Dagmar:

Okay, that's a good start then.

[20:19:43]

Dagmar:

You can at least rule out "This hardware configuration does not work"

[20:19:52]

Dagmar:

Believe it or not, that's a very good thing.

[20:20:02]

Dagmar:

Now you just have to keep diddling the software until it works

[20:20:25]

dunstabulos_:

Dagmar: was with another pc. would connecting to a usb 1.1 port instead of usb 2 make a difference? (tis the only thing i can think of different between my laptop and desktop)

[20:20:40]

juski:

dunstabulos_: that could make all the difference

[20:20:45]

Dagmar:

No, if it worked on a 1.1 bus it will work on a USB 2.0 bus

[20:20:52]

Dagmar:

...but your USB driver may be hosed.

[20:20:53]

dunstabulos_:

Dagmar: it worked on 2.0

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juski:

sounds plausible to me

[20:21:09]

Dagmar:

Hence, you tail -f /var/log/syslog, and then plug the USB device in and see if anything fishy appears

[20:21:21]

Dagmar:

Wait, you're trying to use it on a 1.1 bus?

[20:21:26]

Dagmar:

That may be the problem all by itself.

[20:21:33]

Dagmar:

It'll probably be carping in the syslog about it

[20:21:46]

Dagmar:

Getting digital video through a 1.1 bus may choke

[20:21:56]

juski:

you can always try a live cd in the laptop to eliminate the kernel modules from your enquiries ;)

[20:22:14]

Dagmar:

ENh the kernel modules are smart enough to just tell you if there's a problem by now

[20:22:46]

juski:

usb1.1 isn't fast enough for some dvb devices – all depends on how they do the PID filtering & crap

[20:23:04]

juski:

I'm sticking my money on the usb1.1

[20:23:05]

Dagmar:

Thankfully, if push comes to shove, PCI USB controllers are like $20

[20:23:11]

dunstabulos_:

juski: livecd on my laptop doesn't work due to sh*tty acpi and the syslog shows a recv bulk message failed, so i think you guys are right

[20:23:18]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm thinking it might not be able to be used on a 1.1 bus

[20:23:34]

dunstabulos_:

i shall sully forth to the garage and find the usb 2 card

[20:23:54]

Dagmar:

Oh if it complained about bulk transfers failing, it's almost a sure thing that it's a bus speed problem

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dunstabulos_:

Dagmar, juski: thanks for your help, i will let you know in about 10 minutes

[20:28:07]

Dagmar:

No problem

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** juski wonders if DAB+ is gonna result in any decent PC tuners this time around **

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Perdignus:

Hello – would someone mind helping me test my MythPhone video setup by calling me please?

[20:33:19]

juski:

rofl

[20:33:24]

juski:

anybody wanna cam? ;)

[20:34:34]

dunstabulos_:

card is in

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Zider:

ASL?

[20:34:40]

Zider:

;)

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dunstabulos_:

feisty is booting

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Perdignus:

Was that an odd request?

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juski:

Perdignus: unusual, that's all

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fryfrog:

feisty FTW!

[20:35:39]

juski:

fisty fickle

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dunstabulos_:

ding ding ding we have a winner

[20:36:11]

dunstabulos_:

i see channels being listed

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Zider:

what's the next debian release called, boned beaver?

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juski:

dunstabulos_: with a usb 2.0 pci card?

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juski:

dunstabulos_: yay!

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juski:

jesus. that new camera I put up in the garden makes it look errily light when in fact it's pitch black out there

[20:38:59]

juski:

might make for interesting viewing tomorrow :)

[20:39:23]

** juski goes to watch mythtv **

[20:39:55]

Tatster:

Hi all. I'm just trying to get myth running. I've got a backend in my loft with a TV card – everything appears to OK on that box, I'm trying to get a frontend only machine to connect and work.

[20:40:42]

xzcvczx:

does anyone know whether its possible to make a script or something that can detect when mythtv has done nothing for the past (10mins) and if so IR blast the tv off?

[20:40:43]

Tatster:

Whenever I go to utilities/setup on the frontend it says Could not connect to the master backend server

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Staticwave_Ace:

xzcvczx: I suspect you could watch the mythfrontend logfile for changes

[20:41:50]

Staticwave_Ace:

not sure if its poked everytime someone moves around in the menus

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Tatster:

Now, from the FE I can do a mysql connect to the backend DB with the password, so from that I conclude that DB access is OK

[20:43:19]

Anduin:

Tatster: and the IP address in mythtv-setup is corrent?

[20:44:14]

Tatster:

I don't have mythtv-setup on this box as it's a frontend only.

[20:44:24]

dunstabulos_:

juski: yup

[20:44:38]

Tatster:

I'm following this guide http://parker1.co.uk/epia_ubuntu.php

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Staticwave_Ace:

Tatster: logfile give any more descriptive errors?

[20:44:56]

Anduin:

Tatster: fine, look at your BackendServerIP in the settings table (or run mythtv-setup where you can)

[20:45:09]

Tatster:

but yes the IP is correct in the Utilities/Setup on the FE

[20:46:00]

Anduin:

and yes looking at the frontend and backend logs is also good

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ghmd:

anyone successfully gotten linux to wake from sleep via lirc?

[20:48:39]

psofa:

ghmd, i think you'd need bios support for that thing

[20:48:54]

ghmd:

it works in Windows

[20:49:00]

ghmd:

to get it to work in Windows

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ghmd:

you just check the "enable device to bring out of standby"

[20:49:08]

ghmd:

or whatever

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anykey_:

ghmd: from which sleep type do you want to wake up? S3?

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ghmd:

yeah

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ghmd:

I can also wake up from my USB wireless keyboard

[20:49:53]

ghmd:

(the remote is a lirc_mceusb2)

[20:52:25]

ghmd:

I set USB0–4 in /proc/acpi/wakeup and that made the wireless keyboard work

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Staticwave_Ace:

ghmd: what interface is the remote?

[20:53:09]

ghmd:

mce_usb23

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ghmd:

*mceusb2

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Staticwave_Ace:

should not lsusb list the number you should enter for it then?

[20:53:33]

psofa:

wow had no idea you can set these up via /proc/acpi/

[20:53:37]

ghmd:

yeah

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Staticwave_Ace:

similar to the keyboard?

[20:53:43]

ghmd:

cat /proc/acpi/wakeup

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ghmd:

well, wakeup only has entries for each usb controller

[20:54:20]

Staticwave_Ace:

I see

[20:54:36]

Staticwave_Ace:

but it doesn't notice a signal from the remote?

[20:54:39]

ghmd:

nope...

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm

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Staticwave_Ace:

thats unfortunate

[20:54:51]

ghmd:

in windows, the receiver gets power and blinks when it picks up an ir signal

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ghmd:

even during s3

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ghmd:

(it'll only wakeup on power, of course)

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ghmd:

there is a /sys/bus/usb/devices/2–1:1.0/power/wakeup, but it's empty and writing 1, enabled, etc. to it fails

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Staticwave_Ace:

ghmd: are you sure you've enabled the right bus in wakeup?

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ghmd:

I enabled all of them

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Staticwave_Ace:

ah

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Staticwave_Ace:

check the bios for a wake on usb setting?

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ghmd:

enabled.

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ghmd:

hrm... thought.

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ghmd:

I wonder if the bluetooth dongle is getting power

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Staticwave_Ace:

ghmd: is your frontend/backend seperate?

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ghmd:

yep

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Staticwave_Ace:

ah

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Staticwave_Ace:

the sleep thing sounds interesting

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Staticwave_Ace:

but mine is on one machine, so unless I can schedule a wakeup via ACPI, it won't be useful for recording

[21:00:36]

ghmd:

you can

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Staticwave_Ace:

ooh fun

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ghmd:

I haven't used it, but its possible... maybe like 5 years ago I used to set my computer to come on when I got home in the BIOS

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ghmd:

and you can apparently set that over ACPI

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Staticwave_Ace:

yeah, I can do it in bios manually

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Staticwave_Ace:

are you doing suspend to ram, or disk?

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ghmd:

ram

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dunstabulos_:

mythtv is scanning for channels

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Staticwave_Ace:

ghmd: are you suspending manually?

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ghmd:

as of right now yeah

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ghmd:

/etc/acpi/sleep.sh

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Staticwave_Ace:

it would be interesting to get auto-sleep working

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ghmd:

I'm not sure how I would implement that on my box...

[21:05:59]

ghmd:

I'm using fluxbox right now because kde + mythtv causes swapping...

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ghmd:

and I don't always run the frontend

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Staticwave_Ace:

ah, I've got an 100% dedicated machine

[21:06:26]

Zider:

kde is very overkill, especially for mythtv :P

[21:06:29]

ghmd:

yeah

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ghmd:

my machine is more or less dedicated, my only other use for it is burning DVDs

[21:06:53]

Staticwave_Ace:

I'm sure I can manage to write some kind of script to check for activity, and if there is none, sleep till the next recording

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Zider:

I recently moved the backend to my ws/server

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Staticwave_Ace:

see, if I was smart, I would've done a seperate backend frontend

[21:08:02]

Staticwave_Ace:

I already have a server..

[21:08:06]

Staticwave_Ace:

oh well, too late now

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ghmd:

my frontend doesn't have pci slots (just pcie), so this was a requirement

[21:08:28]

ghmd:

apparently yes, johnnysch.

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Tanthrix:

johnnysch: It's broken.

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Staticwave_Ace:

ghmd: I spent a lot of time finding a SFF box with 1 PCI slot

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Staticwave_Ace:

heh

[21:08:55]

gbee:

one last try before I get some sleep – if anyone is experiencing the mythmusic segfault when playing tracks of different types (ogg, mp3, cd etc) then please try the most recent (1 line) patch attached to #2557

[21:08:57]

johnnysch:

ahh, thanks, that helps me not waste time figuring out why my machine is broken, it's the code.

[21:09:19]

ghmd:

I have the shuttle sd11g5 pentium m box

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gbee:

johnnysch: it's not the code, so much as the site the information comes from

[21:09:36]

ghmd:

leaving it on isn't a big deal (it idled at 38w with the gma900, the 7600gs in there probably adds about 15)

[21:09:37]

johnnysch:

they didn't like everyone scraping data from them aye?

[21:09:59]

ghmd:

but the light is annoying and this room gets really warm even without any computers

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gbee:

johnnysch: just think they changed the format, doesn't seem to be a deliberate attempt to prevent scraping

[21:10:21]

Staticwave_Ace:

ghmd: yeah, thats my only issue, the annoying light, thinking of disabling it

[21:10:23]

johnnysch:

kool, will look forward to when the format is fixed :)

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Staticwave_Ace:

have multiple weather backends been considered?

[21:10:48]

Staticwave_Ace:

so one can switch over if stuff is broke?

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gbee:

Staticwave_Ace: the mythweather rewrite offers that possibility

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Anduin:

Staticwave_Ace: There was an entirel SoC revamp

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Staticwave_Ace:

ah

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johnnysch:

thanks!

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gbee:

of course different sources provide differing amounts of information – so swtiching from one to the other would have an effect on what can be shown

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Staticwave_Ace:

anyone know if the Phillips Based PVR-500 is known to need strong signals?

[21:12:02]

Staticwave_Ace:

gbee: indeed

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hound:

What does it mean when it says in the release notes, added support for QAM recording? Before that happened what couldn't you do?

[21:12:21]

hound:

it's in regards to the hdhomerun device

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ghmd:

umm

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ghmd:

I don't know

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mistone:

so I I got a hdtv and mythtv and I am in cali ... right now I am using regular comcast cable... but I want to upgrade my channels to HDTV

[21:12:34]

mistone:

what should I do

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ghmd:

but I use a hdhomerun with QAM

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ghmd:

with debian etch's 0.20-fixes svn build

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mistone:

I heard you could get a tuner card that reicieves the basic channels for free in digital HD

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hound:

ah

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ghmd:

mistone: correct

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hound:

ghmd, I'm running that, probably have what I need and don't realize it

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mistone:

but I would also like to upgrade my cable channels to

[21:13:22]

ghmd:

it was annoying to setup

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ghmd:

I had to do a full scan...

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ghmd:

which means I got all the encrypted channels as well

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ghmd:

the easiest way for me to fix that was to use the windows GUI to find which channels weren't encrypted, then delete the channels for the encrypted channels in the database

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woland_:

hey guys, is there an easy way of working out hdisp, hsyncstart, hsyncend, and htotal?

[21:14:12]

mistone:

well for starters I think the basic channels will be good enough , what card do I get

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Tanthrix:

My Sharp Aquos only picked up like one SD digital channel, even though they aren't encrypted and I can watch them via firewire out.

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Tanthrix:

Friggin Comcast.

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ghmd:

everything is encrypted here besides the local HD

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ghmd:

and a few channels they occasionally screw up

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ghmd:

for a while, they had showtime/hbo west and inhd2 in the clear

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gbee:

ghmd: encrypted channels can be excluded from a scan, at least with most other types of broadcast formats e.g. dvb, atsc etc

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ghmd:

gbee: I couldn't find an option to do that

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ghmd:

for the hdhomerun

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hound:

makes it seem worthwhile to leave the encrypted channels in your channel list

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hound:

what's with qam-128? does anybody use that?

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ghmd:

not that I'm aware of

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hound:

wonder if I should bother scanning it

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ghmd:

I only see qam256 here

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gbee:

ghmd: it's under input connections for my dvb cards, but I can't say whether it does appear there for a hdhomerun device

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Tanthrix:

mistone: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PcHDTV_HD-5500

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xzcvczx:

anyone know how i can get 'Saw' and 'Saw II' to display the right way round in mythvideo?

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hound:

it's displayed sideways?

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xzcvczx:

no but saw comes after saw 2

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mistone:

ok thats cool but if I want to upgrade my cable to HD can I still use that card

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hound:

oh oh oh :-P

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xzcvczx:

:)

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hound:

all I can think of is do Saw I

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Tanthrix:

mistone: The card does support QAM, but as was said, cable companies often encrypt their HD stuff so all you might be able to get is your local channels with it.

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xzcvczx:

hound: but its just so wrong :S

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ghmd:

you could try putting spaces...

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ghmd:

not sure how/if that would help

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xzcvczx:

tryed it seems to automatically remove them

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ghmd:

mm.

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mistone:

any site where I can check?

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ghmd:

unless you can find someone that lives nearby no

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ghmd:

now if your HDTV has a clear QAM tuner you can plug it in and see what you get

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mistone:

they should make a site

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ghmd:

or if you've got a HD cable box or know someone who does you can try to get into the diag menu

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ghmd:

mine tells me if the channel is scrambled or not at least

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hound:

ghmd, if you get a scrambled channel does it say "error was encountered while displaying video"?

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ghmd:

yeah

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mistone:

net split :(

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hound:

makes it realy hard to skip through to see what works :-P kicks you out of live tv

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ghmd:

its much easier to just run the hdhomerun tools

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ghmd:

from windwos

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ghmd:

*windows

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ghmd:

not sure if they'd work in wine or not...

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hound:

find out right now

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ghmd:

but im pretty sure that the app I used to scan for channels and then play them in vlc didn't actually use the driver

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Tatster:

Hi again. I'm getting there slowly with my first install! Backend is running, and my frontend machine runs and will display BBC 1 ok (jerky but I think that's probably the quality of the TV card.) However if I try to record any thing I get http://pastebin.ca/451850

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Tatster:

Have I foxed you all?? :-)

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mistone:

wait so does the PcHDTV HD-5500 get stuff off the air

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mistone:

?

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ghmd:

it can

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mistone:

but I need an antanna or something?

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ghmd:

yeah

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mistone:

wack

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JacobSingh:

I installed on a USB drive, but my bios doesn't support USB boot... does anybody know how to make a boot cd for this? I've seen some tuts, but they don't seem to work

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ghmd:

you can also get them off the cable line

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dunstabulos_:

JacobSingh: you want the super grub boot disk

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JacobSingh:

dunstabulos_: using the automatic install option, the usb drive should be bootable, right?

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dunstabulos_:

JacobSingh: where did you tell it to put the boot details? on the stick? then yes

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dunstabulos_:

but super grub boot disk should boot anything anyway

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi guys

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JacobSingh:

dunstabulos_: I'm not getting it... sorry, can you possibly assist?

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JacobSingh:

It keeps failing the boot, an I really don't know why..

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ubuntuEdgy:

what dose?

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JacobSingh:

ubuntuEdgy: I'm trying the super grub boot disk

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JacobSingh:

I put myth on a usb drive

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JacobSingh:

but my box doesn't support usb boot

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JacobSingh:

so I'm trying to figure out how to make it boot via a CD

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JacobSingh:

not having much luck :( 3hrs and counting

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ubuntuEdgy:

boot via cd ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

every pc dose that right ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

change your biose so it can boot off from the cd.

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JacobSingh:

i'm trying to boot from c

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JacobSingh:

sorry, I'm trying to boot from USB

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JacobSingh:

my BIOS doesn't do that

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JacobSingh:

so I'm trying to get a boot disk together (a CD) that will boot the USB

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahh i see

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ubuntuEdgy:

out of my depth.

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ubuntuEdgy:

but i have seen guides on how to do exactly that.

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ubuntuEdgy:

have you tryed google

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JacobSingh:

yes

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JacobSingh:

extensively

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JacobSingh:

but seems out of mine as well

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TSCHAK:

wow, 6.3 gigs an hour for 1080i content

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TSCHAK:

:-)

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TSCHAK:

gee i'm _GLAD_ I bought the 500G drive

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ghmd:

yeah, I have my recordings partition on an lvm so I can expand as needed

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TSCHAK:

i'd love to take a whack at coding a hot-pluggable storage system into mythtv

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ubuntuEdgy:

The connection to this server was refused.

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ubuntuEdgy:

i found this jacobSingh http://swik.net/LiveCD+HOWTO

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oblib:

Hi. What package to I need to enable xvmc with open-gl support?

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oblib:

when compiling

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woland_:

doh! even with the tv's handbook i'm struggling to get a decent modeline

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J-e-f-f-A:

woland_: Get one thats close, then use xvidtune to tweak it...

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woland_:

J-e-f-f-A, i keep getting Unable to validate any modes; falling back to the default mode

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J-e-f-f-A:

From your TV, or Linux?

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woland_:

sorry, in the X logs

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woland_:

the modelines i found that work the tv doesn't like

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J-e-f-f-A:

woland_: I wonder if X is detecting your monitor improperly, and perhaps you need to turn it off... (Jeepers, the name escapes me atm... one sec, I'll find it...)

[22:36:29]

Staticwave_Ace:

DDC

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woland_:

dpms?

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woland_:

oh

[22:37:07]

Staticwave_Ace:

the dimensions/resolution your monitor says it supports

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, yeah... ddc. dpms is for power saving... (Which you probably want off if it's a dedicated frontend...)

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woland_:

same problem when i disable DDC

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J-e-f-f-A:

woland_: Perhaps your video card can't handle the modeline? What's your video card?

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woland_:

geforce 6600

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J-e-f-f-A:

woland_: Humm... that should be able to do just about anything... You did restart X or reboot, right?

[22:41:24]

woland_:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, rm /var/log/X*; pkill X

[22:44:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

woland_: What's the resolution of the TV, and how are you connecting it to the video card?

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woland_:

max resolution is 1366x768 and i'm using vga

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d0lph1nK1ng:

anyone know what driver to install for the ATI TV Wonder Elite?

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J-e-f-f-A:

woland_: I'd google for "brand 1366x768 modeline" and see if you get any hits on other 'known working' modelines.

[22:46:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

d0

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woland_:

according to the manual that resolution should be 47.7kHz/60Hz

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J-e-f-f-A:

d0lph1nK1ng: ATI? Ick. Sorry, not here... Hauppauge and PCHDTV all the way...

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woland_:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah – i tried that – it seems like the tv isn't very popular with linux users

[22:47:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

woland_: Maybe you found out why? ;-) (Sorry!) Maybe just looking for "HD Modeline" or similar...

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d0lph1nK1ng:

J-e-f-f-A, so i hear, but hey, its better than the All-In-Wonder i had b4 this one

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woland_:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

woland_: Hey, send me the TV I'll figure it out... ;-) (Of course, you may not get it back!) ;-)

[22:48:51]

woland_:

hahaha

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J-e-f-f-A:

d0lph1nK1ng: Check to see if it's already detected automatically — ls /dev/video* ... If it's the only card in your system (which it sounds like), it should be /dev/video0

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one know why all my recordings are queued for commercial flagging ?

[23:02:36]

ubuntuEdgy:

no

[23:02:39]

ubuntuEdgy:

?

[23:03:03]

ubuntuEdgy:

mybackend is really lazy :(

[23:03:11]

barney_1:

ubuntuEdgy: It's possible that there is a job in the queue that is stuck and preventing the others from working.

[23:03:36]

barney_1:

ubuntuEdgy: if you have phpmyadmin installed you can delete jobs from the queue really easily (if that's the case)

[23:04:06]

ubuntuEdgy:

is it easy to use ?

[23:04:26]

barney_1:

Question about MythFlix: I have it set up but notice that unless the user running the frontend had root priviledges they can't deleted or change the order of the queue. I tried changing permissions of the mythflix folder but that didn't do it. Anyone have any ideas?

[23:06:50]

ubuntuEdgy:

how do i use /phpmyadmin

[23:07:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

i will use google its ok

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ghmd:

wow

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ghmd:

too bad they're too adamant to implement mdapi

[23:09:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

i know

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ubuntuEdgy:

some of you guys could deal with that right ?

[23:12:27]

ubuntuEdgy:

so how do i log on to phpMyAdmin. do i use my sql password

[23:13:37]

oblib:

to compile mythtv, which GL related libraries do I need installed? I'm getting an error in vsync.cpp

[23:14:48]

Tanthrix:

oblib: Are you using --enable-vsync ?

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TSCHAK:

2007-04–21 19:07:35.556 RingBuf(/media/MYTHDRIVE/recordings/2825_20070421190729.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/media/MYTHDRIVE/recordings/2825_20070421190729.mpg'. <-- what can cause that?

[23:15:50]

TSCHAK:

whenever i see a "trouble displaying video" error, that's what I find in the console every time...

[23:15:54]

oblib:

enable-opengl-vsync

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J-e-f-f-A:

TSCHAK: Hey, do you have HD cable? (I see you're on comcast in MA...)

[23:15:58]

woland_:

they Tanthrix thanks for the help the other day, i now have vga->vga working pretty much

[23:16:18]

Tanthrix:

woland_: Glad to hear it! Though I don't think I was of much help

[23:16:23]

TSCHAK:

J-e-f-f-A, I just got it, but they haven't finished upgrading my service yet, because I can only see the local channels at this time in HD

[23:16:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

TSCHAK: Do you have a HD tuner in your myth box, or are you going to be using HD at all with myth?

[23:16:57]

oblib:

Tanthrix, is that a bad thing to do?

[23:16:59]

Tanthrix:

oblib: I had a problem with vsync as well, so just disabled it. You don't need it anyway these days, since nvidia-settings gives you an option to sync Xv to the vsync. No tearing, and no slow-ish GL

[23:17:12]

TSCHAK:

J-e-f-f-A, I have a Motorola 6200 cable box connected via firewire to get HD.

[23:17:20]

oblib:

Tanthrix, okay, I'll do that then

[23:17:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

TSCHAK: Are the channels in the clear on the firewire?

[23:17:45]

woland_:

Tanthrix, it was definitley a good idea to go with vga, i'm sure once i sort my xorg.conf the quality will be pretty dead on

[23:17:45]

TSCHAK:

J-e-f-f-A, yes.

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Tanthrix:

Not bad, just not necessary. Though YMMV. I just know that I hate tearing, and I used to use it until nvidia-settings gave me the option to sync to v-sync, and I haven't used it since

[23:17:52]

oblib:

hey, do you know what I need to get XvMC with open gl working?

[23:17:58]

TSCHAK:

J-e-f-f-A, and once I know I can view the premium channels, I'll test them as well.

[23:18:02]

ghmd:

I only get SD channels + locals without 5C

[23:18:08]

ghmd:

according to the diag menu

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ghmd:

so I haven't bothered with firewire

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TSCHAK:

ghmd, where are you?

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ghmd:

Time Warner, NE Ohio

[23:18:38]

TSCHAK:

ouch

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ghmd:

appears to be standard practice..

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ghmd:

a lot of people that once had no 5C at all now have it on some or even most channels

[23:19:04]

TSCHAK:

it SEEMS that comcast 5C is off in some places.

[23:19:14]

ghmd:

but some providers haven't implemented it

[23:19:14]

Tanthrix:

oblib: What do you want GL for?

[23:19:31]

TSCHAK:

there HAS to be a way to break 5C.

[23:19:51]

oblib:

I can't get XvMC to work either, and I thought that might help (at least I don't see any improvement when I try to use the XvMC decoder)

[23:19:54]

ghmd:

TSCHAK: What's the point? it costs more, but people that want TV can get everything they want from DVB-S

[23:19:58]

Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Not when they can constantly update firmware and change keys on the fly

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ghmd:

with or without friendly tools like sasc

[23:20:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

TSCHAK: So do you plan to put in a HD tuner in your myth box? (I'm curious if they're in the clear...)

[23:20:36]

Tanthrix:

oblib: What do you mean by see any improvment – are you refering to image quality, or CPU usage?

[23:20:46]

TSCHAK:

J-e-f-f-A, no.

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oblib:

Tanthrix, cpu usage

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TSCHAK:

J-e-f-f-A, I am going to use firewire, if i can get it to work completely.

[23:20:58]

dunstabulos_:

hiya i'm using the mythweb to schedule my recordings against a system that only runs as a backend (i have no frontend, i'm using MythTV player on windows) and i wanted to know what the settings for transcoding are?

[23:21:19]

TSCHAK:

ghmd, so you can get premium via DVB-S in the US?

[23:21:29]

Tanthrix:

oblib: K, just checking. Well, XvMC doesn't work for everyone from what I hear. I have it compiled, and when I use it the logs don't give me any errors, but I don't see any CPU improvement.

[23:21:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

re: 5C — Yeah, I've got FiOS, and from what I hear, FiOS TV has 5C enabled for everything except local HD. :-(

[23:22:04]

Tanthrix:

oblib: So, unfortunately, I can't be of any help

[23:22:11]

oblib:

Tanthrix, yeah. I've got an AMD 2800+ and it just barely can do HD streams

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ghmd:

TSCHAK: dish network and bell expressvu are DVB-S. dish network uses IRDs (integrated receiver/decoders)... BEV might have used CAMs at one point but they're using IRDs now

[23:22:32]

oblib:

Tanthrix, I'm just trying to get it over into "comfortably" do HD streams

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TSCHAK:

ghmd, yeah am familiar with the term.. so there are "solutions" now?

[23:22:53]

ghmd:

TSCHAK: bell expressvu is using DVB-S modulation supported by most tuners... and the nagra2 encryption is emulated easily...

[23:23:07]

TSCHAK:

ok

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oblib:

I would like to know why opengl-vsync causes errors though

[23:23:19]

ghmd:

but Dish Network is using 8psk modulation or something nonstandard for HD

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Tanthrix:

oblib: Ahh, I see. Well, on my XP 2600+ with a GF4 Ti4600 I can do HD pretty decently without trouble

[23:23:45]

ghmd:

to get that you need to buy a special USB device that costs about $300 and plugs into a 8PSK module you rip out of a dish network HD receiver

[23:23:49]

TSCHAK:

see, it pisses me off that I have to crack something I pay for, just to use it the way I want.

[23:23:59]

oblib:

so maybe it's my Geforce 440MX that's killing me :)

[23:24:03]

TSCHAK:

ghmd, *nod*

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Tanthrix:

Shouldn't make a difference, really.

[23:24:29]

ghmd:

do they even make Nagra2 CAMs compatible with DN smartcards?

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** J-e-f-f-A has 3 SD dish boxes feeding his SD Hauppauge PVR cards... And HD tuners for OTA hd... **

[23:25:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

Geforce 440mx? If it supports XVMC, you may get by with it... (Dont' recall if it does...)

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: I'm not hopeful that anyone will ever be able to break 5C, since the cable companies literally can update keys on the fly, and change firmwares at the drop of a hat

[23:25:05]

TSCHAK:

ghmd, i haven't dealt with the current generation of satellite encryption at all.. I used to run simulators for the old direcTV stuff.

[23:25:12]

ghmd:

TSCHAK: DVB is a lot different

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Tanthrix:

TSCHAK: Seems like it would be easy to make some kind of modular encryption that can be changed whenever it gets beaten, if ever.

[23:26:00]

TSCHAK:

so i guess the next apt i move into

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TSCHAK:

i'll install a DVB dish.

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Tanthrix:

oblib: There seems to be a fair amount of black magic involved. One thing though, have you tried playing back your HD streams with mplayer instead of myth?

[23:26:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

oblib: I was able to playback 720p HD on a 1GHz PIII with XVMC – stuttered with OSD, but not without any osd...

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TSCHAK:

and set up a dedicated PC to run a simulator

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TSCHAK:

ugh.

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hads:

Cracking encryption isn't really a good thing to be talking about.

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ghmd:

TSCHAK: err, you just get a PCI card

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ghmd:

no simulator or anything

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oblib:

Tanthrix, mplayer does do better outside of Myth. Can I use it as the player for recordings and LiveTV?

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TSCHAK:

hads, wouldn't be talking about it at all, if the fucking content companies didn't treat their customers like criminals.

[23:27:17]

TSCHAK:

hads, I paid for my subscriptions, I should be able to view them.

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oblib:

J-e-f-f-A, any ideas why I don't see a performace difference?

[23:27:21]

TSCHAK:

period.

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hads:

TSCHAK: I don't want to hear about it TBH

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Tanthrix:

Yah, it's a bad fix, but if you have no other options it works.

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oblib:

J-e-f-f-A, it's an Nvidia, don't they all support it?

[23:29:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

oblib: That's a pretty old card... I think it has to be a GeForce 4 or newer to support XVMC...

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oblib:

J-e-f-f-A, oh. I tried a 5800ish card a while ago, but it was fuzzy on the s-video out, so I went back to my old card

[23:31:29]

Tanthrix:

I've had XvMC working on GF4 440MX before, so it supports it.

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oblib:

Tanthrix, how could you tell it was working?

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Tanthrix:

oblib: About 1/3 of the CPU usage from using non-GPU assisted decoding

[23:32:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

oblib, Tanthrix: Yeah, Tanthrix is right — I see that it's one of the GF4 line... What de-interlacing mode were you using — you shoud be using BOB

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oblib:

J-e-f-f-A, I tried bob and one-field. They both played fine, but no performance increase vs. Standard

[23:33:35]

Tanthrix:

I must be off, good luck oblib.

[23:33:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

oblib: Sounds like it wasn't working then. Are you using the nvidia binary driver?

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oblib:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah, compiled not packaged

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ghmd:

not sure if this was mentioned yet but have you tried xvmc+mplayer

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J-e-f-f-A:

oblib: And you configured xorg.conf to use 'nvidia', not 'nv', right?

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ghmd:

and /etc/X11/XvMCConfig read libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1

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ghmd:

?

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oblib:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah. My problems getting this card to work with the nvidia drivers were horrendous (they had a GL bug up until recently)

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oblib:

ghmd, the config file yes, I don't remember if I tried mplayer, hold on

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J-e-f-f-A:

oblib: If you haven't already done so, start mythfrontend from a shell and see if it gives you an error message that it can't use xvmc when you try to playback a show with xvmc enabled.

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oblib:

hmm "could not initialize video filters"

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oblib:

so what more is there than installing the nvidia drivers, and changing the XvMCConfig?

[23:40:10]

J-e-f-f-A:

oblib: For myth? Changing it to use XVMC in the setup — IIRC — Setup -> TV Settings -> Playback ...

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ghmd:

I don't like xvmc

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oblib:

J-e-f-f-A, no I mean at a system level

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ghmd:

I got it working without doing much but it wasn't worth it

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oblib:

ghmd, why not?

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ghmd:

decreased quality

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ghmd:

"bob" deinterlacing sucks

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oblib:

bob should be one of the best ways to deinterlace – you don't lose temporal data that way

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J-e-f-f-A:

In my opinion, the quility is great, but the flickering OSD is a pain (running .19 atm on my current setup, so that might be fixed in .20 or SVN — don't know yet... I'm working on getting my new box up now...)

[23:41:52]

ghmd:

linear blend looks better

[23:41:56]

ghmd:

for 1080i

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ghmd:

for my content

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oblib:

ghmd, my XvMCConfig is libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

[23:42:35]

oblib:

ghmd, you didn't have "dynamic" on there

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ghmd:

as long as that exists

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ubuntuEdgy:

barney_1:can you tell me where to find the queued jobs in phpmyadmin ?

[23:43:14]

ghmd:

on my system _dynamic is just a symlink

[23:43:20]

ghmd:

to the real file

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ghmd:

as it is without the dynamic

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oblib:

real file is ...NVIDIA.so.1.0.vernum (7185 in my case) right?

[23:44:01]

ghmd:

yeah

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ghmd:

is your card not supported by the latest drivers?

[23:44:13]

oblib:

ghmd, nope

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J-e-f-f-A:

oblib: I didn't have to do anything besides install the driver, setup xorg.conf and set myth to use XVMC... (And I'm only using it on my 1GHz frontend to do HD)

[23:44:30]

xzcvczx:

are they planning on retiring imdb.pl in favour of py.py?

[23:45:33]

ghmd:

I'm using a non-legacy card, but everything worked out of the box on kubuntu feisty

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ghmd:

using prebuilt packages / no compiling needed

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tld2:

With MythTV, can I set it to "tape" a program, and start watching it before its fully taped?

[23:47:49]

ghmd:

yeah

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oblib:

That's why I'm so confused. On Edgy, with an overclocked processor I could get consistent HD playback, but on Feisty it chokes every 5–10 seconds

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ghmd:

what CPU?

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oblib:

Edgy is compiled, Feisty is packaged. AMD2800+

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ghmd:

I'm using a 2.0GHz Pentium M

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oblib:

so now I'm trying to compile in Feisty but having problems.

[23:48:52]

JacobSingh:

okay, I got it installed! but nothing works :) I ran through all the mythtv-setup steps and it scanned the channels successfully. Then frontend started, but watch tv just shows my a blank screen for 15 seconds

[23:48:55]

tld2:

ghmd: was that yeah for me? (and if so, thanks)

[23:49:03]

ghmd:

tld2: yes.

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tld2:

heaps of thanks. :)

[23:49:12]

** J-e-f-f-A uses FC ;-) **

[23:49:19]

JacobSingh:

and watch dvd, detects my dvd, but doesn't play it, just shows the video_ts folder...

[23:49:28]

tld2:

(childrens tv for my 3yo is the *perfect* excuse for doing all this stuff. :)

[23:49:34]

JacobSingh:

help! I'm totally clueless as to how to proceed

[23:51:09]

oblib:

well, thanks for the help, I gotta go

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J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: For your first problem, it sounds like you didn't map your tuner inputs properly. If your'e using the card's tuner (and not an external box), your channel 'source' should be mapped to your tuner's TUNER input in mythtv-setup...

[23:53:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: Also, did you test your tuner's setup outside of myth first?

[23:54:07]

JacobSingh:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks for the tips... I'm not sure I understand entirely

[23:54:07]

dunstabulos_:

is there any service which gives radio listings for the uk for use with mythtv?

[23:54:12]

JacobSingh:

I did a channel scan

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JacobSingh:

and that worked

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JacobSingh:

I mapped the tuner to the video source to the device

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dunstabulos_:

ironically the radiotimes xmltv source does not have radio listings (or if it does i have it set up wrong)

[23:54:37]

JacobSingh:

all of that looked good in the settings

[23:55:13]

JacobSingh:

J-e-f-f-A: I'm not sure how I would test the tuner outside of Myth. I have an HP-150 which has a coax on it

[23:56:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: What type of tuner is it setup as? Is it a Hauppauge PVR-150 that's re-branded HP-150?

[23:57:05]

JacobSingh:

sorry, PVR-150

[23:57:08]

JacobSingh:

that's what it is

[23:57:15]

JacobSingh:

I'm looking at the log

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JacobSingh:

one sec

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J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: Ok, do you have any listings when you go to the program guide?

[23:58:04]

JacobSingh:

J-e-f-f-A: I didn't try that, because I elected not to use the guide method, just tradtional streaming one...

[23:58:18]

JacobSingh:

the log is showing Unkown video and audo codec errors

[23:58:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: Well, you need a guide source in order to schedule programs...

[23:58:41]

JacobSingh:

last message is NVR: Won't work with streaming inerdace, falling back

[23:59:15]

JacobSingh:

I'm trying to watch live TV, and I though eliminating the program guide component at first would make it easier

[23:59:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

JacobSingh: Without guide data, Myth will start a new recording every 30 minutes (yucky)

[23:59:38]

JacobSingh:

Error: Reading VBI data

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JacobSingh:

ano: Resource temporarily unavailable (11)

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