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Wednesday, April 18th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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xris:

http://www.watchjtv.com/demo/

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Mattwj2006:

nice xris

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xris:

Mattwj2006: nice if they're honoring the gpl

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xris:

not so nice if they're nopt

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Mattwj2006:

I just might nice you can try it out....yeah screwing the gpl is not cool

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Mattwj2006:

*meant

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devtrash:

I am a little confused on how to get LIRC working with my cable box.

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xris:

someone emailed me about it... I can't do anything since I'm not a customer, but if he asks for the source and then refuse, then I guess Isaac will have to do something

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xris:

devtrash: US, digital cable?

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devtrash:

I have KnoppMyth installed.

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devtrash:

xris: digital cable

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xris:

devtrash: US?

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devtrash:

xris: yes US

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Mattwj2006:

you see a lot of this crap lately

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xris:

HD?

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devtrash:

xris: no

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xris:

devtrash: easy to upgrade to HD? (comcast is $5/month extra)

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xris:

firewire makes things SO much easier

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xris:

anyway, in the meantime, you'll need an IR blaster, and you'll need to search the web for the lirc control codes for your cable box.

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devtrash:

xris: well I get the cable for free now, since I work for the cable company

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xris:

devtrash: then get a free hd box with firewire?

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devtrash:

xris: I have a blaster AND I have the codes for the SciAtlanta cable box

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devtrash:

xris: well they don't give me a free HD capable tv to watch that on.

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xris:

devtrash: so? quality of the digital signal is MUCH better than analog, esp. for sd.

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xris:

anyway, you wouldn't get channel changing over firewire with that box, anyway.

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devtrash:

true true

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Tanthrix:

xris: I wouldn't say that at all. My analog cable is about 95 percent as good as the digital stream

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devtrash:

I just wanted to try to wrap my head around the workflow for getting what I have now working.

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xzcvczxx:

dammit the ebuilds for myth get too old

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goreguts:

will regular, (non HD) channels run through the firewire?

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Tanthrix:

xris: After recording it with my PVR-150 card it's probably 85 percent as good. Better to do straight digital, but the difference isn't huge or anything.

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mattwj2005:

/nice Mattwj2005

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devtrash:

the kernel modules for LIRC are loaded. When I try to use irw to see if codes are being picked up by my blaster I get "connection refused"

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xris:

Tanthrix: oh? it was a drastic improvement for me.

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xris:

and I was recording from svideo

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mattwj2005:

/nice mattwj2005

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xris:

goreguts: depends on the cable provider

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goreguts:

k

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goreguts:

i guess i'll just have to try

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xris:

goreguts: it's nice when it does. and when they give you the other HD channels, too (discovery, etc)

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goreguts:

yea, i hope it does

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goreguts:

i dont have my new computer yet, so i dont have firewire to try it out quite yet

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devtrash:

connection refused, any ideas?

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hound:

Can someone point me to some documentation that might help me setup TV-out on my asus a8n-vm csm mobo w/ geforce 6150?

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xris:

devtrash: is lircd running and compiled with xmit support?

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xris:

hound: install the nvidia driver?

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hound:

xris, yup, I had everything working fine with a monitor. Now I tried adding a new screen/device/monitor like one HOWTO said and it didn't work. I then reverted and tried adding twinview values to the existing device, and that does not work either.

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hound:

With all the conflicting info, I was hoping someone knew a better resource online I may have overlooked.

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devtrash:

xris: lircd is running. I am running KnoppMyth, any clue if they enable xmit by default?

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Tanthrix:

hound: http://novae-res.org/xorg.conf

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xris:

devtrash: no clue. ask cesman, he wrote it. :)

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Tanthrix:

hound: That's my xconf for one VGA monitor and 1 TV-out. Adjust accordingly and it might work for you

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi xris

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ubuntuEdgy:

having a nice day ?

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devtrash:

xris: hmmmm I am betting it isn't. let's see if it's a simple recomipile, bbs

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hound:

Tanthrix, I'll try that, but looking over it I tried similiar where I set both devices to the same busid and it yelled at me for it and xorg crashed.

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hound:

Tanthrix, but an lspci results with no other busid's to use, so dunno. thanks though

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Tanthrix:

NP.

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** xris has to be afk for awhile (work) **

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goreguts:

anyone have nuvexport set up to convert to xvid? can i see your /etc/nuvexportrc, or whatever its called... and what command you run to envoke it?

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goreguts:

i'm running it on a 5 minute clip, and its up to 90MB and it isnt finished

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goreguts:

i did it to an hour long show and it ended up being 1 gig, and the video looked terrible

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blackest:

anyone using an xbox front end ?

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goreguts:

not i

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devtrash:

xris: aha! lirc_serial module was not loaded

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blackest:

any idea how to check who the user is i guess its mythtv since it uses mythtv's password

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goreguts:

i think the user should be mythtb

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goreguts:

er, mythtv

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devtrash:

at the command prompt? w

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blackest:

xebian

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goreguts:

sorry man, i havent used that at all

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blackest:

so hopefully id

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blackest:

i can now set mythmusic folder to /home/mythtv/music and it should get access to the mp3's on the server

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MaverickTech:

greetings all, first time I have wandered in

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc whats the best way to do overscan?

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MaverickTech:

hope sitting and listening for a while is ok

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SlicerDicer-:

I got HDMI/DVI cable now :)

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goreguts:

ohhh, right

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goreguts:

so whats wrong, you cant see the music?

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goreguts:

or you cant read the files?

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blackest:

i think it might be ok now

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blackest:

it is slowly updating the music database so i think its got the access it needs

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goreguts:

ok ok

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xzcvczxx:

what are the mpg's for in mytharchive?

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blackest:

i guess the next thing is to update fstab so i automount the server music folder

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xzcvczxx:

does anyone know of a multitab putty?

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goreguts:

you could also log into a computer through putty, and run screen on that server

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goreguts:

if you want to have multiple connections, just run a new ssh in each screen

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goreguts:

or if you just wanted multiple connections to the same computer, just run screen and you can do whatever on there

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goreguts:

<3 screen

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hads:

Yay screen!

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goreguts:

which of these processors should i get: sempron 64 3000+ Manilla OR: athlon 64 3400+ venice ?

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goreguts:

each one with a barebones computer comes to the same price

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xzcvczxx:

whats mythzoneminder?

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SlicerDicer-:

goreguts: venice :)

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SlicerDicer-:

goreguts: I run the 3500+ in my backend its quite speedy

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blackest:

zoneminder is a set of programs to control cctv i use it myself

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blackest:

mythtvzoneminder is to integrate it into myth

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blackest:

zoneminders quite good since it does motion detect and thus doesnt record hours and hours of nothing

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xzcvczxx:

ahhhh i see.... unfourtunately i dont have any cctv gear :(

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blackest:

well it can be anything really webcam could work

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goreguts:

SlicerDicer-: i think i'm gonna go with that one :) i already have DDR ram laying around, if i got the socket AM2, i'd need to buy DDR2 ram

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xzcvczxx:

hmmm i should set up a webcam on the peephole on my door

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hound:

got TV out working! figured out that I only had one bus id since I only had one analog output, couldn't twinview VGA and tv-out at the same time. now if I run glxgears it sends horrible lines through my TV for some reason

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xzcvczxx:

how do you generate a patch for the entire mythplugins tree from svn?

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Tanthrix:

hound: You have only one bus id because you have only one card. It says that in my xconf and the docs.

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Tanthrix:

My setup is VGA+TV-out and it works fine.

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hound:

Yes I was rambling about an old board I had a second ago, sorry.

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hound:

hmmmm

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Tanthrix:

Have you tried just using my xconf exactly as it is? (Changing your monitor syncs and stuff to match, of course)

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Tanthrix:

(And adjusting the bus ID)

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Tanthrix:

As far as I know it should work for all GF cards – if it didn't it would probably say so in the docs.

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hound:

Tanthrix, your xorg works on my monitor, which is different then before where nothing worked, but it doesn't use my tv

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Tanthrix:

Hrm.

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Tanthrix:

And what does the xorg log say? (Make sure you're doing verbose 6, then pastebin it)

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psofa:

anyone tried ivtv with 2.6.21_rc6 or close?

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PaulWay[w]:

Hi all!

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose any one know why i cant use the GUIDE to schedule recordings ,when i pres record nothing happens , but it dose on live tv ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i still have space left

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PaulWay[w]:

My brother's getting a weird problem where shows record then immediately expire.

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PaulWay[w]:

ubuntuEdgy: Have you checked the backend and frontend logs for useful error messages?

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PaulWay[w]:

What settings control the expiration of recordings?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i left every thing on default. ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

im going to check the back end for errors thou

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tuxd00d:

I can't seem to find the documentation on how to set up myth to use the composite and s-video inputs. The coax has been working great. My card is a Hauppauge PVR-500.

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t0ny-p40:

Why is it some videos wont seek?

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t0ny-p40:

But they play normal.

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PaulWay[w]:

t0ny-p40: Check your frontend log. My bet is that you have the recordedseek table corrupted in the database.

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PaulWay[w]:

It's relatively easy to fix.

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t0ny-p40:

I have stuff like this 2007-04–17 20:10:44.681 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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t0ny-p40:

2007-04–17 20:10:45.640 Waited too long for decoder to pause

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t0ny-p40:

Crap mysql did crash a table.

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t0ny-p40:

How do I stop mysql from breaking once a week?

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t0ny-p40:

How do I fix it?

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t0ny-p40:

Never mind I got it

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tuxd00d:

mysql doesn't break on it's own

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tuxd00d:

t0ny-p40: you need to "repair" the table

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t0ny-p40:

Well why do tables crash randomly?

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tuxd00d:

is your myth crashing randomly?

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tuxd00d:

are you only using mysql for myth?

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tuxd00d:

do you leave your machine on all the time

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tuxd00d:

do you have it on a UPS?

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xzcvczxx:

hmmmmm i am starting to really hate ebuilds :S

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tuxd00d:

what's an ebuild?

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tuxd00d:

I can't seem to find the documentation on how to set up myth to use the composite and s-video inputs. The coax has been working great. My card is a Hauppauge PVR-500.

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tuxd00d:

t0ny-p40: do you find any pattern?

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t0ny-p40:

no ups, does not crash often and on most of the time

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tuxd00d:

t0ny-p40: how do you know it crashes randomly?

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Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Are you going to record in from a cable box with an irblaster and stuff, or do you just want to make a recording of a home video / VHS tape / whatever?

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t0ny-p40:

It was working fine today till now

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tuxd00d:

I want to hook up my VCR via S-video or composite.... and hook up the x-box using composite

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Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: To record xbox stuff, not to play games right?

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hadees:

is there anyway to get mythtv to display std with the black bars on the side

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Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Because there is a very large delay that takes place during the recording.

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tuxd00d:

yes, I know about the dealy

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tuxd00d:

would be nice to have a "game mode" to pipe it strait through

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hadees:

i have a wide screen tv and inorder to use the zoom functions and make the picture wide screen it needs the image from mythtv fill up the entire screen

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Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: The delay isn't causing by myth, the card has an inate delay.

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PaulWay[w]:

t0ny-p40, tuxd00d: I've only had this happen once and my MythTV machine is on six nines.

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tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: oh, now I know, thanks

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PaulWay[w]:

mrshirls_: Are you using DVB or analog?

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hadees:

so when i watch sdtv with the black bars on the top and bottom i can't zoom it to full screen

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t0ny-p40:

six nines?

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PaulWay[w]:

Get an NVidia 5-series or 6200

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PaulWay[w]:

99.9999% of the time.

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hadees:

and the image just looks like a little square surrounded by black

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jd86:

has anyone had any problems with pvr150's and sound not working? one of my 5 are not producing sound.

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Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Has to do with the PVR functionality, takes a second for the chip to encode the video into mpeg2 then outpit it.

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PaulWay[w]:

use the term 'six nines' to sound professional in meetings!

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tuxd00d:

gee, why is 100% so hard to do?

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Tanthrix:

jd86: Yes, I have had that problem.

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tuxd00d:

or do you could planned downs?

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t0ny-p40:

oh. Like 99.9999

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PaulWay[w]:

Sometimes, you gotta reboot. Sometimes it locks up.

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jd86:

tanq, how did you go about fixing?

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mrshirls_:

PaulWay[w]: not sure, I am really new to HD. I wanted to get the over the air HD channels in Chicago. I currently have a WinTv500.

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Tanthrix:

jd86: Happened during inproper shutdowns and stuff. I had to completely unpower the system for 30 seconds to get it to work. Just rebooting wouldn't fix it

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jd86:

how odd.

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Tanthrix:

jd86: After I upgraded to a later ivtv driver the problem went away

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t0ny-p40:

Ok that recording that was recording when the table broke when I seek it goes to 19 mins. How do I fix this?

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Tanthrix:

jd86: Yah, I know. I didn't believe it at first when someone suggested it, but apparently it has to due with the firmware loading and stuff. Power has to be completely removed otherwise the card doesn't reload properly.

[02:30:19]

jd86:

i'm using 10.1 for ivtv

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tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: you need to clear the memory...it takes about 30 seconds

[02:30:28]

jd86:

I'll try it tomorrow, when no one is using system

[02:30:38]

tuxd00d:

PaulWay[w]: locking up... that doesn't sound fun

[02:30:46]

tuxd00d:

PaulWay[w]: mine doesn't do that

[02:30:52]

PaulWay[w]:

Yeah. Only very intermittently.

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Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Anyway, I'm not sure if myth even has an input functionality like you want. (IE, a "A/V" channel like on a VCR that just takes the s/video or composite in)

[02:31:09]

PaulWay[w]:

I think it was a problem with an old version of the non-free NVidia driver.

[02:32:00]

tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: I have been unable to find anything on it

[02:32:18]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Would be nice though to easily make a recording of old home movies and such instead of changing the tuner with ivtvctl then playing with mplayer

[02:32:23]

tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: it is hard to believe that all people are using coax

[02:33:12]

Tanthrix:

mrshirls_: From what I can tell, your best bet is an HD-5500, though I'm no expert.

[02:33:22]

tuxd00d:

I have a DVD+-R for transferring home movies

[02:33:44]

tuxd00d:

sorry, it has the DVD+-R and a VCR

[02:33:54]

tuxd00d:

just press duplicate

[02:34:47]

tuxd00d:

my card has 2 sets of composite and two s-video.... just very odd that it can't be utilized

[02:34:59]

tuxd00d:

I'd like to be able to use the FM radio in there as well

[02:35:08]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: I'm pretty sure people do, just not like you want it. They use it with ir blasters and stuff.

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Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_an . . . _with_MythTV

[02:36:16]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: You can set the video source to be composite/s-video from a cable box, then use a script to change channels with the blaster

[02:36:26]

tuxd00d:

what does the ir blaster have to do with composite and s-video input? I'm a little confused

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Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: I'm just saying that myth does allow you to use your composite/s-video inputs

[02:36:57]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: But not like as channels, but as sources instead

[02:37:55]

tuxd00d:

sure, I just want to be about to select that source

[02:38:06]

t0ny-p40:

So any one know how to fix a recording that seeks right to 16 mins?

[02:38:14]

tuxd00d:

and have it display the content on the screen

[02:38:38]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Hrm. Actually, I wonder if you can just bind composite in to a random made up channel.

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tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: that's a good way to do it for me

[02:39:26]

tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: what ever it takes.. i just want to have it displayed on the screen... like live tv, etc.

[02:39:47]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: One sec, I'll see what I can come up with.

[02:40:09]

tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: Thank you, much appreciated

[02:42:57]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: By the way, if you don't care about recording, all you have to do is make a script using ivtvctl to set the tuner to use s-video/composite then play /dev/video*

[02:47:07]

tuxd00d:

okay, I'll have to learn more about ivtvctl

[02:47:16]

tuxd00d:

good direction to start looking in for me

[02:47:19]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: I think I got it working.

[02:47:59]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: I don't have anything to test it with handy, so all I'm getting is a black screen, but I think it's working

[02:49:02]

tuxd00d:

okay, that's not bad, I'm willing to try

[02:49:17]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Actually, I have an idea

[02:49:29]

tuxd00d:

okay, shoot

[02:50:46]

Tanthrix:

Meh, I don't think it actually is working.

[02:51:00]

tuxd00d:

oh, okay

[02:52:06]

Tanthrix:

Wait a minute, this is being weird.

[02:52:51]

tuxd00d:

stuff usually is for me

[02:52:51]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Ok, it does work. Was a loose cable ;)

[02:53:15]

Tanthrix:

Alright, here's what I did:

[02:53:52]

Tanthrix:

First, I made a new video source called "Svideo" setup to use "No Grabber" for XMLTV listings

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Tanthrix:

Then, I went into input connections, chose my s-video input, and set it to use the video source "Svideo"

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Tanthrix:

Afterwards, went into the channel editor, made a new fake channel called "S-Video" with a number of a channel that I *don't* have (666 in my case) with a video source again of "S-Video"

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tuxd00d:

okay, going into mythtv-setup

[02:56:04]

Tanthrix:

Went back to input connections, went to S-Video, set the default channel to 666 (this should do this automatically) then started myth

[02:56:25]

Tanthrix:

Changed channels to 666 and it worked perfectly (once I actually plugged in the s-video cable from my cable box as a test)

[02:56:26]

tuxd00d:

side note – the menu is really really slow and light in mythtv-setup, in myththfrontend everything is fine

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PaulWay[w]:

Does anyone have any ideas why my brother's recordings would be immediately expiring?

[02:57:04]

PaulWay[w]:

The 'number of recordings to keep

[02:57:16]

PaulWay[w]:

' is set to zero, which I'd always assumed meant 'keep all of them'.

[02:57:30]

AngryElf:

anyone experienced difficulties with Feisty BETA and lirc/mplayer?

[02:57:33]

MaverickTech:

Tanthrix: I have been wanting to try this to ages – now I know how to approach it :)

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Tanthrix:

MaverickTech: Hehe, good. Yah, I wanted to do it a while back to copy a old VHS tape, but I just used mplayer and ivtvctl instead. This time it just came to me ;)

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tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: trying to do what you did... but like I said.. it's slow

[03:01:58]

MaverickTech:

I am steadily working through my list of weird behaviour in myth (mostly me/config problems :)

[03:02:31]

xzcvczxx:

w00t dodgy update time

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tuxd00d:

MaverickTech: is my slow mythtv-setup a common problem?

[03:03:05]

MaverickTech:

no idea

[03:03:20]

MaverickTech:

mythtv-setup seems ok in my limited experience with it

[03:04:17]

MaverickTech:

my main issues relate around audio sync problems

[03:04:26]

GreyFoxx:

Doh, my QAM scan found 156 channels.... sweet

[03:04:35]

MaverickTech:

managed to get DVD rips sync'd today for the first time :)

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Tanthrix:

I just made a new wiki page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/S-Video/Composite_Input

[03:11:39]

Tanthrix:

And it's 1337 bytes – how cool is that? ;)

[03:13:52]

xzcvczxx:

MaverickTech: you using mythdvd for those rips?

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Tanthrix:

GreyFoxx: Nifty. I'm getting a new set with a QAM tuner and I'm hoping that I can get a bunch of stuff as well. (So I can get a HD tuner for myth)

[03:14:44]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Get it to work?

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MaverickTech:

xzcvczxx: yes I was using mythdvd

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xzcvczxx:

you ripping to avi?

[03:15:34]

MaverickTech:

'Good Quality'

[03:15:42]

MaverickTech:

so yes, rip to xvid/avi

[03:15:54]

MaverickTech:

I am adding -D -1 to the trancode command line

[03:16:03]

MaverickTech:

( -D num sync video start with audio frame num [0])

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xzcvczxx:

ahhh how long does it take and what are your specs?

[03:16:50]

MaverickTech:

40 min tv ep – 2 mins to rip vob, 35 mins to transcode

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tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: 1337, what are the odds

[03:17:11]

MaverickTech:

got a dual-core 3.5ghz intel

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xzcvczxx:

:O i am lucky to get between 8 and 12 hrs for the same thing

[03:17:24]

MaverickTech:

yikes

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xzcvczxx:

i get about 8mins for the vob rip then yeah 8ish hours of transcoding

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xzcvczxx:

what are your specs?

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MaverickTech:

quick way to grab specs from bash prompt ?

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xzcvczxx:

well how much ram and cpu

[03:19:05]

xzcvczxx:

i assume you should know them

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MaverickTech:

<MaverickTech> got a dual-core 3.5ghz intel

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MaverickTech:

1gb ram

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xzcvczxx:

wow

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xzcvczxx:

ok

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MaverickTech:

Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.40GHz

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MaverickTech:

most transcoding I get 30–40 fps

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xzcvczxx:

hmmm i really neeed to upgrade my cpu

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Zider:

pentium D is dualcore?

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Zider:

I thought they were singler

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Zider:

-r

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xzcvczxx:

yeah i was wondering that

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MaverickTech:

can record 2 channels, watch a recording, commflag, and transcode at once without an issue

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MaverickTech:

Pentium D is Dual Core

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xzcvczxx:

well transcode is set to nice 19 so it wont cause any problems anywhere

[03:23:08]

MaverickTech:

true

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jimbalaya:

is there anything I need to do other than setting a video to 'browsable No" in Video Manager in order to have certain files not appear in the 'watch videos' section?

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Tanthrix:

jimbalaya: Trying to keep your erm, er, private materials from the wife? ;)

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MaverickTech:

:o

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jimbalaya:

heh

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jimbalaya:

nope, i have a few "part 1" and "part2" movies

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xzcvczxx:

Tanthrix: if that was the case better to use parental

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jimbalaya:

and I'd rather keep just part 1 there, with the option to automatically play part two

[03:25:29]

Tanthrix:

jimbalaya: How are you setting that up?

[03:25:42]

jimbalaya:

currently, i'm not, because it's not working, but, theoretically........

[03:25:44]

Tanthrix:

I always wanted that ability. I used to use Freevo years and years ago and it did that automatically, which was nice.

[03:26:26]

jimbalaya:

in utilities/setup, in video manager, you can set 'Toggle Browseable"

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Tanthrix:

jimbalaya: No, I mean how are you making it play the second part automatically?

[03:26:45]

jimbalaya:

and it changes the value of "Browseable" to "No" ... which should keep it from being displayed

[03:26:48]

jimbalaya:

oh

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jimbalaya:

same place – "Edit Metadata"

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xzcvczxx:

Tanthrix: in video manager

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Tanthrix:

Oh, I didn't know you could do that now.

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jimbalaya:

if you highlight the video, and press i it brings up the menu, and you choose 'Edit Metadata' and then ...... yep, in there

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Tanthrix:

I don't use any of the metadata stuff, so I don't think that would work for me.

[03:27:43]

jimbalaya:

the 'play this next' would

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Tanthrix:

(I've got thousands and thousands of files, so it takes way too long)

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xzcvczxx:

Tanthrix: gotta hate that

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jimbalaya:

because you can just press the left/right arrow to navigate to what you want to play next

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xzcvczxx:

i just use avimerge 99% of the time

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tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: i need to run, thanks for the help

[03:28:23]

Tanthrix:

Well, I want something that is automatic anyway. If I had to set it for every time there would be no point, because that's more effort than it takes to just down and enter when the first half of something finishes

[03:28:27]

Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: Did you get it working?

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tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: not yet, but getting closer, back in 25 minutes

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Tanthrix:

Righto.

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jimbalaya:

hrm, it also seems as though this 'Plot' feature isn't working either

[03:34:55]

Tanthrix:

Anyone here ever have a problem with itermittent LIRC problems? For about a year now randomly about 30 percent of the time my remote doesn't work. I have to wait a few minutes and it magically starts working again.

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jimbalaya:

Tanthrix: I read something about that ........ I have no idea where, but I remember reading it and thinking "oh, if I have that problem, I'll have to remember to come back here"

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spyro_boy:

hello

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Tanthrix:

jimbalaya: Hehe. Well, if you remember, do let me know.

[03:37:17]

spyro_boy:

I have a TV Capture card.. obviously, and I was wondering how I could use my composite in to watch and record with MythTV

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spyro_boy:

I'm using a Debian AMD64 system

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jimbalaya:

Tanthrix: I'd look through the lirc documentation in the MythTV wiki .... there's not much there, and for some reason I'm thinking it was in there

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Tanthrix:

spyro_boy: Which card?

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spyro_boy:

saa7134 chipset

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Tanthrix:

jimbalaya: I'll take a look, thanks.

[03:38:23]

spyro_boy:

TV @nywhere Plus

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Tanthrix:

spyro_boy: Is it already setup with myth to do regular coax cable?

[03:38:39]

spyro_boy:

I've tried to google it

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spyro_boy:

Tanthrix, nope

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spyro_boy:

I don't have cable in my room

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Tanthrix:

Well, I've never used those cards, so I won't be of any help I'm afraid

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spyro_boy:

my purpose for this is so I can play and record my playstation

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spyro_boy:

and such

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ryty:

for some reason, mythtv is saying it can't reach the master server. Any ideas?

[03:39:27]

spyro_boy:

you know.. gaming.

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cesman:

that won't work w/ a pvr

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cesman:

you need realtime to play

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spyro_boy:

:/

[03:39:49]

ryty:

nevermind, found the log

[03:39:50]

cesman:

MythTV buffers

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ryty:

lol

[03:40:01]

cesman:

that way you can pause, rewind, etc....

[03:40:06]

spyro_boy:

yeah

[03:40:19]

spyro_boy:

can I not use the PVR part of it?

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cesman:

no

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spyro_boy:

:/

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cesman:

that is how livetv functions in mythtv

[03:41:05]

cesman:

you can use xawtv or something else

[03:41:11]

spyro_boy:

yeah

[03:41:22]

spyro_boy:

xawtv has horrible qualty though

[03:41:27]

spyro_boy:

oh-well, I'll find something

[03:41:30]

spyro_boy:

thanks anyways

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tanq:

jd86: refresh my memory.

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MaverickTech:

my issue at the moment is recording TV shows back to back on same station

[03:50:01]

MaverickTech:

since the networks here are slack with running late/early on start, I have a 3 minute start early, and a 10 min start late

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MaverickTech:

*finish late

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MaverickTech:

but if 2 programs are recorded back to back, then they start finish on time

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MaverickTech:

therefore, most times then end of program 1 – is at the beginning of the recording to show 2 :|

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Agrajag-:

MaverickTech: im in .au too. i just set the global start early/finish late setting

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ryty:

I'm unable to connect to the mythtv master server on the local host. Does anyone know of some things I could check?

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Tanthrix:

ryty: Are you sure the backend is running?

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ryty:

Tanthrix: yes

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MaverickTech:

ryty: is mysql running ?

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ryty:

MaverickTech: yup

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pat_:

MaverickTech: I use the softpad patches

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ryty:

I confirmed the mysql tables are full

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Agrajag-:

MaverickTech: there's nothing you can do about that, unless you have > 1 tuner. i have 2 dvb cards and don't get that problem unless there's back to back programs at the same time as something else on on another channel

[03:52:03]

ryty:

well, populated anyways

[03:52:08]

sdf:

anybody had problems with not being able to change channels with a pvr-500?

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pat_:

I'm not sure if the functionality is included in svn

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MaverickTech:

@Holocron:~$ mysql -u mythtv -p

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MaverickTech:

this work ?

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ryty:

MaverickTech: was that towards me?

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MaverickTech:

ryty: yes

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ryty:

asks for a password

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MaverickTech:

Agrajag-: I have 2 cards, but not sure how to make then stagger

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MaverickTech:

ryty: mythtv ?

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ryty:

MaverickTech: I put in the pass

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ryty:

it works

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MaverickTech:

then you are connected to mysql

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MaverickTech:

I am assuming you are on the localhost

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ryty:

yah

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pat_:

MaverickTech: if you use "soft padding" it staggers them, but there's always some conjecture about it on the dev list. I don't think it will ever make it into core, but I think something with equal functionality might be/has been in svn.

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MaverickTech:

"soft padding" ?

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MaverickTech:

I am using svn-head, last build yesterday

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pat_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/softpad

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pat_:

I've got a couple of patches against fixes at http://panic.id.au/softpad/

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pat_:

I don't know if the functionality is included in svn (I'd like it to be, but my wife insists I don't play with mythtv and keep it stable)

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Tanthrix:

My myth database is 65MB. Crazy.

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pat_:

MaverickTech: if you search for "soft padding" on the lists you'll turn up some information

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MaverickTech:

thanks packetscan

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MaverickTech:

gah

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MaverickTech:

thanks pat_

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cesman:

anyone know if it is possible to get a show to record on a specific tuner?

[03:58:34]

ryty:

I figured it out

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cesman:

if so, how?

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ryty:

didn't have proper permissions for ~/.mythtv

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MaverickTech:

MrsMaverickTech gripes more about back to back recording issues, than me rebuilding the tv box ;)

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pat_:

MaverickTech: then apply the patch and make her happy

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MaverickTech:

cesman: select a specific tuner in the recording options

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ryty:

now, to figure out why I get no signal coming in...

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ryty:

anyone in here using an ATI HDTV Wonder?

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cesman:

MaverickTech: thanks!

[04:00:28]

MaverickTech:

cesman: at work, so not sure which option on the TV interface, but it's on the main page in mythweb recording interface

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** xzcvczx could almost hibernate waiting for mythtv to compile **

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ffeingol:

I'm trying to setup myth on Festy. I need to download kernel headers so I can build drivers for a USB/WIFI card. I'm running sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` but it's not findig / installing the headers. What am I missing?

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cesman:

MaverickTech: that was going to be my next question....

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cesman:

MaverickTech: are you using SVN or -fixes?

[04:04:14]

MaverickTech:

svn head

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cesman:

ahhh

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cesman:

that option isn't in fixes

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MaverickTech:

ahh, ok

[04:05:24]

MaverickTech:

I started with ubuntu (edgy) standard package, but switched to build from svn a while back as the head a lot of functionality I really wanted

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!seen kormoc

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sdf:

I had my pvr-500 working fine for cable, then installed a wintv-hvr-950 alongside. it works perfect, but now cannot change channels on the pvr-500. any ideas?

[04:08:36]

MaverickTech:

I am assuming it has not been merged into the head yet, from what I am reading

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pat_:

MaverickTech: I just patch with the one diff file when I update -fixes

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pat_:

http://panic.id.au/softpad/mythtv-softpad-12674.diff

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pat_:

is the one I use

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MaverickTech:

cool

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PaulWay[w]:

pat_: hi from another Aus Myth user :-)

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MaverickTech:

since there's a few aussies active...

[04:16:33]

MaverickTech:

anyone got a good way of dealing with the networks changing show names at the last minute, and recordings being dropped ?

[04:16:52]

MaverickTech:

Nine and Ten seems to do it constantly

[04:17:13]

bleech:

is there a way for me to find out what keys do what in the menus?

[04:17:28]

MaverickTech:

Setup / Edit Keys

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bleech:

for example, how do i see what filters are active when i am in the "watch recordings" meny

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bleech:

menu

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bleech:

k

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xzcvczx:

wow a few upside down people in here then

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MaverickTech:

(-:

[04:18:21]

MaverickTech:

oops

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MaverickTech:

:-)

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xzcvczx:

where in aus your from

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MaverickTech:

country NSW

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xzcvczx:

lol

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groogs[h]:

a bunch of my recordings disappeared tonight (i've noticed it before but never with enough info to really look into it) .. namely, it deleted every episode of the simpsons, except for one that was manually recorded months ago

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pat_:

PaulWay[w]: hello

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pat_:

I use icetv guide data

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pat_:

it generally removes all problems with guide data

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MaverickTech:

I use tvguide.org.au

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groogs[h]:

in mythbackend.log, it shows it recorded the simspons, (and my girlfriend saw it recording earlier) but it's simply not there now, nor are the recording files there for it

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PaulWay[w]:

pat_: I did for a while but found the tvguide.org.au data cheaper.

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MaverickTech:

pat_: do you take feed of EIT as well ?

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PaulWay[w]:

If not actually more consistent.

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pat_:

no, I don't use EIT

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MaverickTech:

ok

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pat_:

I just use icetv

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PaulWay[w]:

groogs[h]: Autoexpiry problem?

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pat_:

somebody mentioned something else yesterday

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pat_:

let me look

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MaverickTech:

I haven't trusted tvguide comepltely yet

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groogs[h]:

is there any reason that would have happened..? the only thing I can think of is that i recently (within a week ago) changed the priority of that show to -1, with the intention that anything else scheduled to record, would (since the simpsons is on a billion times a week)

[04:22:19]

MaverickTech:

so I have tvguide and EIT data

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pat_:

shepherd

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pat_:

http://svn.whuffy.com/

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groogs[h]:

PaulWay[w]: could be, but it doesn't mention anything about expiring that show

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PaulWay[w]:

I don't mind them, it's just a little inconsistent and badly laid out at times.

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pat_:

apparently it is the ducks nuts

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MaverickTech:

ABC EIT is good at giving down to the minute start time updates

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PaulWay[w]:

pat_: That's just another incarnation of the NineMSN grabber.

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PaulWay[w]:

Ugly and illegal.

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ffeingol:

Can anyone help with installing kernel headers for Ubuntu Feisty? I need to build a module for part of myth

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pat_:

I'm happy with the quality of icetv

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pat_:

and I personally don't notice the $100/year that it costs

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PaulWay[w]:

I tried one of their 'free monthly trial's and it was good.

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PaulWay[w]:

*shrugs*

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pat_:

I'm subscribed to the oztivo mailing lists, so I get to see all the requests for updates

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pat_:

doesn't fill me with confidence

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PaulWay[w]:

Now if I could only work out why my brother's MythTV machine (in brisbane) seems to be immediately autoexpiring recordings as soon as they're made.

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pat_:

how much drive space does he have free?

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PaulWay[w]:

pat_: Yeah, so am I, but the data is still pretty good.

[04:24:39]

PaulWay[w]:

140GB.

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xzcvczx:

unfoutunately tv guide information is still copyright here :S

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PaulWay[w]:

So it's not expiring them for that reason :-)

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pat_:

even with specifying 1GB free, I mostly sit around 15 GB free, so 140GB shouldn't be a problem

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PaulWay[w]:

xzcvczx: In Australia, the data isn't but the representation of it is.

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xzcvczx:

PaulWay[w]: yeah here someone cant even make it so it is accessible directly from mythtv

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MaverickTech:

pat_: I will have a look into icetv, I could spring for $100 if is was a much better/consistent service

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pat_:

try the trial version for a month and see how it goes

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PaulWay[w]:

MaverickTech: My month's experience with it was good.

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xzcvczx:

and there is a grabber here but it works like crap

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PaulWay[w]:

xzcvczx: welcome to monopoly-land :-)

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pat_:

in the end it was my wife who decided

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pat_:

when she missed an episode of numb3rs, because the free guide had the show labelled numbe3rs

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MaverickTech:

I can relate to that pat_

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xzcvczx:

PaulWay[w]: well its really just fcuking stupid as if the tv info wasnt in the paper numbers watching it would plummet

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MaverickTech:

I missed out on taping the RAGE 20th anniversary

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pat_:

hmm, I'll check if I've got that still

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pat_:

it was definitley taped

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pat_:

I could mail you a dvd if I've still got it

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PaulWay[w]:

xzcvczx: the corporations are still in the 1970s, where you told the customer what they wanted.

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xzcvczx:

yeah

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MaverickTech:

if the ABC are true to form, it will be replayed twice within a month, and in the ABC shops by May ;)

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pat_:

nup, needed the space

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pat_:

(and had watched it)

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MaverickTech:

that's cool pat

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xzcvczx:

typical useless nz government not realising this is the 21st century

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MaverickTech:

I am archiving a lot of stuff to DVD with MythArchive, uising the Native Archive format – working well

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xzcvczx:

well part of the reason the government doesnt force the tv guide info to be free is because they own tvnz and get a cut from everything which publishes it it seems

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tanq:

ok. so far ihave tried xine and mplayer and my computer locks up when i play hdtv with either.

[04:32:57]

tanq:

my cpu usage is about 40 percent with plenty of memory to spare.

[04:33:15]

tanq:

I wish i knew what was causing the hangup

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PaulWay[w]:

tanq: what display method are you using?

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tanq:

?

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pat_:

I've only made copies of shows on dvd for people at work

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tanq:

what do you mean by that PaulWay[w]

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PaulWay[w]:

xvmc, xv, opengl, x11?

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MaverickTech:

now that I seem to have sorted my sound sync issues, I might try a few native DVD's again

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tanq:

PaulWay[w]: whatever the default is i suppose.

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MaverickTech:

most time consuming task for me at the moment is editing, as commflagging seems a bit hit and miss for me

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pat_:

I don't bother editing or commflagging

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PaulWay[w]:

tanq: try some of the others. use mplayer -vo help to see the entire list.

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pat_:

fast forward of 30s works for me

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tuxd00d:

Tanthrix: I'll have to check it out more later.. Have some other pressing things to take care of. Thanks for your help.

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PaulWay[w]:

MaverickTech: I've got quite practiced using the editing mode.

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pat_:

editing would only be useful if you re-watch something wouldn't it?

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MaverickTech:

with commflag, edit and transcode I can cut an episode of MASH, for example, down to about 400mb

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Tanthrix:

tuxd00d: No prob. Something I was curious about for myself.

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pat_:

I usually transcode to xvid or somthing, and about 500mb for 41 minutes is what I'm currently getting

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MaverickTech:

I am going to try to make the transcode a job sometime soon

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pat_:

everything gets transcoded by default

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MaverickTech:

but I have to transcode on high quality, and re-transcode on medium, or I get bad audio drift

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MaverickTech:

>= 500ms

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pat_:

(I've specified a custom transcode setting, and I cut the resolution down a little too)

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MaverickTech:

even with custom, I have to trancode lossless, and then again with compression, or res change to get it to work without messing the audio

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MaverickTech:

I am recording with a LeadTek DTV-1000T card

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pat_:

I'm using ubuntu 6.06, and I've got no such problem

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pat_:

I've got two of them, and two twinhan ones

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MaverickTech:

Ubuntu 6.10 here

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sdf:

anybody have any idea why i wouldn't be able to change channels with ivtv using either tuner on a PVR-500 card?

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MaverickTech:

I had trouble with TwinHan card

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PaulWay[w]:

When you're using a DVB-T card, the input transcoding doesn't apply.

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MaverickTech:

input transcoding ?

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PaulWay[w]:

'Recording profile', I think it's called.

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MaverickTech:

yes

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PaulWay[w]:

That confused me for ages.

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MaverickTech:

it's mpeg2, direct to disk, I believe

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PaulWay[w]:

Yep.

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pat_:

the twinhan ones perform on par with the leadtek ones I've found

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pat_:

I had one returned on warranty though

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MaverickTech:

ok

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PaulWay[w]:

I'm using one Twinhan and one Leadtek, from memory.

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PaulWay[w]:

Anyone in .au used one of those DViCO dual-tuner DVB-T cards?

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MaverickTech:

audio sync has been the bane of my existance so far

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MaverickTech:

not me PaulWay[w]

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pat_:

no, a friend of mine uses three dvico one tuner ones

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PaulWay[w]:

That's odd – I've never had a problem with it.

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PaulWay[w]:

Do you guys go to linux.conf.au?

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PaulWay[w]:

I'm thinking of trying to organise a MythTV BOF or Miniconf next year.

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pat_:

no, I'm a structural engineer, not a software person at all

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ryty:

I just can't seem to get my signal to show up

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pat_:

my wife if the person with the IT degree

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** MaverickTech is professional programmer, I have not been outside since 1985 **

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pat_:

a lot of my friends from humbug go though

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pat_:

if something like softpad isn't carried through to 0.21, my wife told me to stick with it in 0.20-fixes

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pat_:

it is the "killer feature" that she requires

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MaverickTech:

you can't go .21 and keep patching ?

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pat_:

dunno, if it is easy to apply them, sure

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pat_:

but it had better work first go or I'm in the spare room

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MaverickTech:

I have the latest head, I will let you know

[04:52:20]

MaverickTech:

bah!

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MaverickTech:

IceTV does not have a NSW regional listing

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ryty:

hmm, I'm getting an HD signal...but the reception in mythtv looks like it's a little antenna out in the rain.

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ryty:

Any ideas?

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czth_:

get a bigger antenna and a poncho?

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bleech:

how do i change the filter settings in the "watch recordings" menu

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ryty:

czth_: ha. Nah, I actually think it's some missing modules

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xzcvczx:

lol..... czth_, your better off than me i live in the CBD can see a couple of the broadcasting antennas from my 2nd floor window yet i dont seem to get anything from them using the aierial on the top of the 7th floor

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czth_:

not me, ryty... i'm still using good ol' SDTV

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czth_:

(i mean, "xzcvczx: not me, ryty is the one with the bad HD picture", to clarify)

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xzcvczx:

oops lol

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xzcvczx:

its too early in the afternoon

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xzcvczx:

ryty: same thing

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ryty:

the thing is...I know I'm getting a good signal...it's just showing like shit

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bleech:

does anyone know how to at least find out what keys/funcitonality is available in each menu

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xzcvczx:

'i' is a common one :P

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bleech:

that did not help

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bleech:

well

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bleech:

at least not at the watch recordings menu

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bleech:

any others?

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xzcvczx:

how do you just play a stream of a pvr150 in mplayer?

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PaulWay[w]:

xzcvczx: Doesn't it recognise it automatically?

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Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: mplayer /dev/video0 or whatever it's set to

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PaulWay[w]:

Cool! $77 for six pieces of steel cut to my exacting measurements by a water-jet cutter.

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PaulWay[w]:

Ach, wrong channel.

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PaulWay[w]:

xzcvczx: Ah, that's what you meant then.

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Dagmar:

That's one of those "very documented" things

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: if you say so

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xzcvczx:

had worked it out anyway

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xzcvczx:

but cheers Tanthrix

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Dagmar:

xzcvczx: I *know* so.

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Dagmar:

I'd paste the URL for the documentation where they mention explicitly using mplayer to test it, but I can tell from your reaction you're not interested in learning anything.

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xzcvczx:

well no not really but doing a google search for mplayer+ivtv doesnt bring up anything on the first page... and i never actually use mplayer for it i was just wanting it while i tested whether playing with antennae cord got me any better reception as mythtv is thinking thatt there are no inputs available at the moment

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Dagmar:

Yeah, god forbid anyone read documentation

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MaverickTech:

what is this word documentation of which you speak ?

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: but if by the time you come round to ever actually needing it again you have forgotten it, it isnt very useful

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Dagmar:

In that case, you should just hang up your toolbelt and move into the old folks' home

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xzcvczx:

lol

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Tanthrix:

Well, I finally got my money back from Best Buy, so that endeavor is ended.

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** Tanthrix throws a brick through Best Buy's window as a thank you gift **

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Tanthrix:

Anyone have the occasional issue where a recorded show gives you a "The file for this recording can not be found error" until you exit out of the recordings screen and come back?

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gbee:

Tanthrix: no, are you using nfs or streaming?

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Tanthrix:

gbee: No, this is local.

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gbee:

hmm, odd

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xzcvczx:

Tanthrix: how did bestbuy steal your money?

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Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: Well, not steal, but close

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Tanthrix:

Basically, I bought this TV from them online, and when I tried to return it they tried to force a 25 percent restocking fee on me, even though that's not what the return policy says

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Tanthrix:

(Specifically, it says 25 percent restocking fee on special order items and that special order items have a "Special ORder" button instead of the regular add to cart button, even though the TV had the latter)

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Tanthrix:

Spent 1.5 hours arguing with them on the phone to no avail, so a few days later I called back and returned it as defective to avoid the fee. Thankfully it worked.

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Tanthrix:

Worthless company – never buying from them again after this.

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tcpsyn:

Is anyone streaming to a psp?

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Dagmar:

I suspect anyone doing that would probably be too busy spanking it to Star Wars to be on IRC talking about it

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tcpsyn:

I'd imagine since I can stream to a computer... that I could stream to a portable device.

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tcpsyn:

I just don't know if the psp supports mms

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giovani:

tcpsyn: you talking live streaming?

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giovani:

or streaming of recorded programs?

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tcpsyn:

streaming recorded programs

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tcpsyn:

Mythstreamtv works fine.

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tcpsyn:

I'd have to be able to hit mythweb... stream something

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tcpsyn:

and connect to it

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giovani:

yea

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juski:

morning

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gbee:

morning juski

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gbee:

don't think gladiators inventory/order tracking system is too well designed, the account page still shows my order as 'Packing' and they haven't sent the 'Your order has been dispatched' note, but after a complaint they've sent me a courier tracking number which shows that they _did_ send it yesterday

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juski:

arggh downloading an audio file from my backend is killing my upload pipe

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gbee:

how big is the file!?

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juski:

83.6MB

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gbee:

ouch, wav? or some other uncompressed format?

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gbee:

not that it really matter

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gbee:

s

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juski:

I'm gonna re-export the file at 44.1khz, 128kbits I think

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juski:

one hell of an ffmpeg line.. lol

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juski:

I hate marketing depts. Those purple illuminated switches & crap they were after yesterday – I managed to find some & get them ordered.. 250 quid's worth.. now they've changed their collective minds. idiots!

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hads:

heh

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gbee:

reminds me, there is a script in svn for exporting mpeg2 to mp3

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gbee:

it's probably just the same ffmpeg line

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juski:

gbee: that might be the one I wrote

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ivor:

how many switches do you get for £250 !?

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juski:

30

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gbee:

juski: lol

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gbee:

I hadn't looked at the submitter

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directhex|work:

why would my higher-priority tuner not be considered for the purposes of scheduling? it works fine in livetv mode

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juski:

hey I know.. why don't I use _my_ script? ;)

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gbee:

are you talking switch switches or ethernet switches?

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juski:

switch switches

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juski:

pretty ones with coloured lights inside

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pat_:

what are you going to do with that many hundred switches?

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ivor:

£8!!!!! holy crap.

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pat_:

oh, only 30

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pat_:

bugger

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juski:

the kind wot go in fruit machines :)

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pat_:

sounds like time for you to make yourself some fruit machines

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jvs:

g'day

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juski:

yeah well the idea's been scotched now.

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** pat_ rocks out to Gwen **

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juski:

:-P

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frink_:

yo yo juski

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frink_:

radio 2?

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frink_:

I didnt think they were still around..

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juski:

oh yesh

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juski:

miles better than yah yah bling bling n*gga ho bitch ******* radio one

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ivor:

mellows to R3

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juski:

every time I've tuned into R3 there's always been some contemporary jazz or something similarly 'challenging' on

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planktonboy:

hi all

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planktonboy:

hi juski

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juski:

er.. hiya

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directhex|work:

you're an international superstar, juski Â¬_Â¬

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planktonboy:

I just bought a Sharp LC42XD1E tv, arrived monday, but I just read a review on the new Samsung LE40M86BD which it seems has a better picture, a extra third HDMI connector, digital audio output, etc, etc. I am seriously thinking of returning the Sharp as it has some slight banding and I really could do with the extra connections, but will a company take back a tv under the distance selling sales contract without and issue or is that only if it is

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planktonboy:

broken

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planktonboy:

or if anyone has seen that Samsung model and has compared that with the Sharp what do they reckon?

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planktonboy:

any advice would be greatly appreciated

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directhex|work:

buy the samsung & mail me the sharp?

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planktonboy:

hehe, imagine the number of stamps needed to post this :)

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planktonboy:

the picture is not bad, but in dark scenes there is lots of blotching, I guess aliasing or digital noise, but |i think that is to do with the freeview SD feed scaling up

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directhex|work:

is that a "packet" or a "large letter"?

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planktonboy:

LOL

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Solv:

does anyone know if it is possible to connect a frontend and backend through a wireless network? Are they fast enough yet? I take it that the backend has the tuners and the harddrive, and the frontend only needs to do GPU processing...would that be correct?

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piksi:

mine works ok

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Dagmar:

You should be able to do SD playback on a decently uncluttered spectrum with just 802.11b

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directhex|work:

LCD TVs are generally a bit crappy on darker sections. when you say "blotching", what does that mean exactly? the blacks & greys aren't uniformly dark in an analog manner?

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: LCD TVs have a different range of light-to-dark than CRT TVs

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Solv:

cool...so some of the newer 802.11n should have no problems whatsoever doing SD (which is all i need at the mo

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directhex|work:

on 802.11b? pushing it a bit. plenty of freeview broadcasts exceed the theoretical maximum on 802.11b

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piksi:

lcd tvs are good as long as they have a decent contrast ratio

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planktonboy:

directthex, yup

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piksi:

such as > 1:500

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piksi:

and enogh candela/cm^2

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planktonboy:

lots of square blotches

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, non-uniform backlights

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, return it

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directhex|work:

oh, wait, square blotches?

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planktonboy:

like the shadows in a film are really distinct when they change from shade to shade

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Solv:

i hope they bring out those new laser tv's by the time i need to upgrade....apparently got perfect blacks and way more colours than lcd...plus very small response time

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Dagmar:

Those aren't SD broadcasts encoded with a PVR-xx0 card then

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directhex|work:

backlighting if it's a more organic pattern. squares? sounds like a possible scaler issue. what's the source material?

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Dagmar:

802.11b will just *barely* handle two default SD streams out of a PVR card

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Solv:

nah, DVB-T

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directhex|work:

dvb-t isn't happening on 802.11b

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directhex|work:

it's bad enough on 802.11g

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planktonboy:

source is motly from my Nova-T card

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Dagmar:

Definitely too many bits for most of those channels

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, how is your myth box connected?

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Solv:

yeah so 802.11n would be okay...but then I'd have to upgrade again when i wanted to move to HD...hmmm

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planktonboy:

directhex by vga

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, 1360x768?

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planktonboy:

I was thinking of getting an Nvidia 6200 card so I can get a DVI-HDMI connection

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

1360x768

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Solv:

My wife hates cables and asked if there is a way to make everything wireless...trying to figure out how one would go about it, I think I've seen some hardware out there that supposedly can do it

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, well it shouldn't be a scaler problem then, since the scaling is done by myth

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directhex|work:

Solv, try homeplug

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planktonboy:

right

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, have you got the manual for the tv handy?

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planktonboy:

yes

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Solv:

directhex|work, is that the X10 ethernet over power thing

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, can you try and find the number of colors the tv claims to support?

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directhex|work:

Solv, yes. no extra wires, and more reliable throughput than wireless

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directhex|work:

Solv, not cheap, but nothing ever is

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planktonboy:

I ahve also tried it connected to my Dell XPS Gen2 via DVI->HDMI which is much better

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Solv:

directhex|work, yeah that's actually a great idea...i can't believe i hadn't thought of it....

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

1 sec

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Solv:

directhex|work, the only issue is she wants wireless to the tv itself =O...not sure if that's gonna happen

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Dagmar:

That's what's called "broadcast TV"

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Dagmar:

Puh-LEASE

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directhex|work:

Solv, you need some metal thingy like a coathanger. magic tv programs come into it from the sky!

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Solv:

haha

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Dagmar:

Don't reinvent the damn wheel

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Dagmar:

Just slap the source of the problem until the silly suggestions stop.

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directhex|work:

anyway, none of this is helping me with my myth issues

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Solv:

true

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directhex|work:

<directhex|work> why would my higher-priority tuner not be considered for the purposes of scheduling? it works fine in livetv mode

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Dagmar:

Throw money at the problem.

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planktonboy:

direchex, no mention in the specs

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juski:

directhex|work: dunno bout 'super' star, maybe more 'disa' star :-P

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: There could be many reasons.

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Dagmar:

Far too many to list out.

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Dagmar:

Check your config

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Dagmar:

Or call your doctor up and say "I have a slight fever... What could be the problem?"

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directhex|work:

planktonboy, hm. it's better through dvi? that makes it sound almost as if the sharp's shit at dealing with analog sources

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Dagmar:

At some point you might have set the other recording schedules to explicitly use the other tuner...

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Dagmar:

The tuner might not be bound to the same channel listings, or you've got two sets of identical listings and you don't realize it

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Dagmar:

*lots* of ways

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directhex|work:

the channel listings aren't the same. one has more channels than the other

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Solv:

Dagmar, I can't believe you don't know what the problem is...

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Dagmar:

Solv: I can think of *lots* of things that would cause that

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planktonboy:

well, to be honest its not too bad, but the new Samsung has extra functions and apparently is a vast improvement over its earlier brother the LE40F71BX which just beat the sharp in side by side tests for picture quality

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Solv:

lol

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directhex|work:

oh, i've got high-cpu-load-in-frontend issues, too. yes glx works, no there are no dodgy x optimizations,. i've got enough spare cycles to ignore that one for the time being though. only having 1 working tuner isn't so ignorable

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Solv:

I wonder if they'll come out with TV's that have an ethernet port and can streaming media on the network without a special box in between

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pat_:

with upnp capability I reckon

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pat_:

give them a couple of years

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: So schedule a recording for one of the channels that is only on the high-priority tuner and watch what it does

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Solv:

yeah for sure

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directhex|work:

Solv, and a few sets have built-in windows media center

[10:02:18]

Solv:

it'll take me acouple of years to saveup anyway

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planktonboy:

but if I do send this back to the online shop I got it from do you think there will be any probs, supposed to be able to return goods if not satisfied with in 7 days according to that distance selling sales contract

[10:02:26]

Solv:

directhex|work, tell me it aint so!

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Solv:

i don't want my TV to get hacked

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, there are no channels only on the high priority tuner

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Dagmar:

planktonboy: Of course that will be minus the 40% restocking fee

[10:03:16]

planktonboy:

yeah?

[10:03:45]

planktonboy:

oh well, will have to find out first I guess then :)

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: I am pretty sure the issue is that it thinks those channels only exist on one of the tuners

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planktonboy:

I dont think so though, not if I get my hands on them

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Dagmar:

Ya gotta watch out for "restocking fees" with these online people

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pat_:

I'm staggered someone could buy a 42" plasma without having seen one in the flesh, or done craploads of research

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planktonboy:

its an LCD

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Dagmar:

I don't buy stuff from TigerDirect anymore because they tried to charge me a 15% restocking fee on a DOA motherboard

[10:05:26]

Solv:

i hate the colour bleed and blotchiness on plasmas

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planktonboy:

and yes, Ive been looking for 6 months

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Solv:

but i love the contrast ratio

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, why the difference in livetv?

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Dagmar:

Because LiveTV is you saying "TUne to this channel on this tuner"

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Ruleke:

Solv: I like the contrast ration on the new samsung lcd

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Solv:

Ruleke, i have yet to be educated

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Dagmar:

It's not you saying "Record at this time on this channel" and leaving it up to myth to figure out *which version of the channel* to record from

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, if a channel's on both tuners, and one's higher priority, surely it should use that one?

[10:07:02]

Ruleke:

there should be only 1 channel available on both tuners, iirc identified by channame or something

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: Not if you've misconfigured it.

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planktonboy:

actually I was considering the older Samsung previously but that was let down by a couple of features that the new model has, but typically one only finds out the day after buying another

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Ruleke:

directhex|work: that's how it works here, but you need to set it up to be the "same" channel in the tables...

[10:07:34]

planktonboy:

called SODS LAW :)

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Dagmar:

If you set up two different zap2it profiles, that's one good way to invite problems

[10:07:57]

Solv:

whats the new samsung model name

[10:08:41]

planktonboy:

Solv http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/Samsung-LE40M86BD/

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Solv:

sweet

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planktonboy:

good review there too

[10:08:55]

Ruleke:

LE40M87 or LE46M87

[10:09:14]

Ruleke:

the M86* is the same, just a different colour frame

[10:09:26]

planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

was just going to ask that :)

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planktonboy:

heh

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Ruleke:

only 40 or up though, the 37 model is a different panel

[10:09:55]

planktonboy:

yes

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planktonboy:

it looks awesome

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Ruleke:

I think I'm buying the 46 one

[10:10:20]

planktonboy:

yeah

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Ruleke:

awaiting the demo setup I requested

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planktonboy:

I'm thinking of returning the sharp and getting the 40"

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Solv:

damn it looks sweeet

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Ruleke:

price is also good

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Ruleke:

at least around here

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planktonboy:

also the Samsung is 8 kg lighter than the Sharp so better for wall mounting

[10:11:42]

planktonboy:

got digital audio out

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planktonboy:

3 HDMI

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Solv:

bbl

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Ruleke:

and hdmi-CEC

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planktonboy:

etc etc

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Ruleke:

the samsung "auto wall mount" is kinda cool ;)

[10:12:38]

Ruleke:

I'm not getting it, but I've seen it work

[10:12:39]

planktonboy:

yeah?

[10:12:51]

planktonboy:

cool

[10:13:07]

Ruleke:

yeah it swivels and it remembers the "default" position

[10:13:21]

planktonboy:

nice

[10:13:22]

Ruleke:

also has a safety that it stops when it encounters resistance

[10:13:37]

Ruleke:

3 memory positions iirc

[10:13:38]

planktonboy:

so it doesnt knock you out you mean :)

[10:13:56]

Ruleke:

so it doesn't damage the picture frame or so on the wall ;)

[10:14:01]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

[10:14:12]

Dagmar:

My TV does that

[10:14:18]

Dagmar:

It stops when it encounters resistance

[10:14:34]

Dagmar:

Mainly because I'm not so thick that I'm going to shove it through the wall

[10:14:38]

Ruleke:

I quite liked the idea of having different viewing positions for like gaming or something

[10:14:42]

Dagmar:

Conservation of mass is cool like that

[10:14:43]

Ruleke:

but I'm not wallmounting

[10:15:03]

Ruleke:

yeah this think moves with a remote though, so it better stop ;)

[10:15:09]

Dagmar:

Ah

[10:15:11]

Ruleke:

s/think/thing

[10:17:08]

planktonboy:

right

[10:19:11]

planktonboy:

oops

[10:22:12]

Dagmar:

http://www.woot.com/ <-- pinnacle's usb tuner, $35

[10:23:02]

planktonboy:

anyway, thanks guys. Time to go do some work I guess

[10:23:49]

planktonboy:

later all

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[10:25:08]

Dagmar:

BLeh. Only useful for Windows

[10:25:15]

Dagmar:

Looks like it only emits dv anyway

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juski:

might be hackable though

[10:40:51]

juski:

actually tv recordings in dv format would be incredibly big

[10:41:40]

Dagmar:

Amazing

[10:41:57]

Dagmar:

The woman on CNN just *apologized* for the temporary resumption of reporting on news

[10:42:45]

Dagmar:

...and here I thought they'd made a permanent switch to idle and poorly-substantiated speculation

[10:43:05]

** Solv chuckles **

[10:45:20]

Dagmar:

I had to actually explain to my parents that it's no big deal that kid wrote a horror/drama screenplay for his creative writing class

[10:45:50]

Solv:

okay what about this for a setup: OTA antenna -> splitter -> one feed to a mythbackend server stashed in a cupboard with external hdd for storage, the other feed to a hd tv with built in hd tuner so I can watch one channel while recording something else -> backend connects to homeplug device -> frontend connects to homeplug and then to tv

[10:46:23]

directhex|work:

Solv, it'd work in theory, i should think

[10:46:33]

juski:

maybe not without an active splitter

[10:46:38]

Solv:

just want to find a silent frontend option with hdmi out

[10:46:42]

Solv:

juski, true

[10:47:21]

Solv:

surely someone makes a piece of hardware that I can hack into a mythfrontend? like a netcomm or dlink device

[10:47:21]

directhex|work:

people buy passive splitters? lord, i don't even get a signal without two active boosters

[10:47:24]

juski:

I'd only use very high quality coax too if I were you. worth the extra

[10:47:32]

Solv:

yeah fro sure quad shield

[10:47:50]

Solv:

directhex|work, i have seen passive splitters work fine

[10:47:59]

directhex|work:

Solv, appletv? not long before they get linux happy on it

[10:48:05]

Solv:

if you have a strong enough incoming signal and use a hard wired type then it can work

[10:48:07]

directhex|work:

Solv, not in my neck of the woods

[10:48:42]

juski:

when I first heard about appletv & saw the hype I thought "ooo", then read into the specs & decided to forget all about it

[10:48:57]

Solv:

directhex|work, mmmm...good thinkin.....i was thinkin xbox, but they are too big and too noisy....and ps3....will it may as well be the flaming backend with the amount of power it has

[10:49:04]

juski:

can't do HDTV, so why spend so much cash on it?

[10:49:05]

Dagmar:

If the kid spent the first 10 pages on character development, and then 15 pages going into (pardon the pun) excruciating detail about the death of one of the characters, up to and including describing the splattering sounds of boots stomping into freshly decanted brains, playing with various organs and otherwise defiling the body before going on to speculate how many people would be needed to get all the stains out of everything... THEN you'd ha

[10:49:08]

directhex|work:

juski, agreed. but it must be right for SOMEONE

[10:49:16]

GreyFoxx:

Man this is sweet, 156 freely available QAM channels found on my first scan

[10:49:16]

directhex|work:

Solv, ps3 linux is pointless

[10:49:17]

Dagmar:

Solv: Four layers of shielding won't mean sh*t if they're all cheap

[10:49:25]

Dagmar:

s/pointless/stupid/;

[10:49:29]

ivor:

directhex|work: why?

[10:49:55]

Dagmar:

You can actually build a really good MythTV box for the price of a PS3

[10:49:55]

Solv:

i've never found jaycars stuff to be dodgy

[10:50:00]

directhex|work:

ivor, the lack of 2d (let alone 3d) acceleration leading to poor framerates on ksolitaire, let alone hd video?

[10:50:20]

ivor:

directhex|work: sure. but that doesn't equate to "PS3 linux is pointless/stupid" :)

[10:50:39]

directhex|work:

ivor, in #mythtv-users there's a fair degree of presumption about use cases

[10:50:48]

Solv:

Dagmar, if linux had a bluray player then it might be worth getting ydl...but until then

[10:50:50]

Dagmar:

It does when you can build your own machine with three times as much storage or more

[10:50:52]

ivor:

more "it's not there yet" but a very interesting toy.

[10:51:45]

directhex|work:

ivor, an expensive one

[10:51:47]

Solv:

i hear a lot of peoploe are getting wii remotes to use for their frontend...wouldn't the lack of buttons just be frustrating?

[10:52:04]

directhex|work:

Solv, yes, it would

[10:52:09]

juski:

it might encourage more people to get more mouse functionality going

[10:52:26]

directhex|work:

Solv, i'm still trying to get the ps3 remote working instead, which is a normal boring lots-of-buttons remote but bluetooth instead of ir

[10:52:29]

juski:

I like the idea of point & click to a certain extent

[10:52:51]

Solv:

yeah the bluetooth interest me...ir annoys the sh*t out of me sometimes

[10:52:51]

Dagmar:

There will not be useful pointing applications with the Wiimote

[10:52:52]

ivor:

sure. but if you've got one, why not play with it? I agree its not worth paying that much if you wanted to create a frontend.... but lets assume you bought it as a game console and blu-ray player.

[10:53:12]

Dagmar:

Not unless someone makes a driver for the *light sensor bar as well*

[10:53:18]

directhex|work:

driver?

[10:53:26]

directhex|work:

it's 4 ir leds

[10:53:29]

juski:

I'd still love both hd-dvd & bluray to just _disappear_

[10:53:31]

Dagmar:

...which is going to mean something even more ugly than lirc

[10:53:35]

directhex|work:

you can rig one up with an AA battery

[10:53:57]

ivor:

juski: go on... rant mode? :)

[10:54:01]

Dagmar:

directhex|work: With as many people can't set up lirc, what do you think the odds are people could manage to hook up the light sensor correctly

[10:54:18]

juski:

ivor: lol. I just wouldn't wanna buy the new Betamax is all

[10:54:29]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, there's not much to it. but i think the ps3 remote is a great option. once some clever person writes a working driver of some kind anyway

[10:54:33]

ivor:

but it's new and shiny shiny shiny! :)

[10:54:41]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, feel like volunteering?

[10:54:52]

Dagmar:

What?

[10:54:59]

directhex|work:

juski, betamax is great! the doctor used it to save the world from a tv-dwelling monster in the early 1950s!

[10:55:05]

Dagmar:

Oh yeah just sign me up for headin up the Idiot Facilitation Tem

[10:55:38]

Dagmar:

I think frankly people are better off sticking with IR

[10:55:54]

Dagmar:

The PS3 controller is a game controller. It doesn't have the buttons people are going to want.

[10:55:59]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, um?

[10:56:09]

ivor:

heh. I'd use my PS3 blu-ray remote then. :D

[10:56:13]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, http://blog.digitalhomemag.com/resources/digi . . . s3remote.jpg

[10:56:31]

Dagmar:

All you're trading off is the complexity of lirc--which many people are too dim to figure out anyway--for the complexity of the linux bluetooth daemon--which is just as complex, and not as heavily tested

[10:57:01]

Dagmar:

Believe it or not, mine has more buttons

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[10:57:54]

Dagmar:

Slightly newer design than mine: http://www.ofausa.com/remote.php?type=URC%206131

[10:58:02]

Dagmar:

MUCH cheaper than a PS3 remote

[10:58:08]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, it's not as bad as you're suggesting. you're right that lirc has been around longer, but there are plenty of good reasons to want something like the ps3 remote and its bluetoothiness

[10:58:10]

Dagmar:

Probably cheaper than most bluetooth dongles as well

[10:59:40]

directhex|work:

a 6-device one-for-all remote is relatively pricy. that said the ps3 remote is 1 device only though

[10:59:41]

Dagmar:

Anyway, isn't pushing the buttons on that thing *really* going to piss people's PS3's off?

[10:59:48]

juski:

I was interested in at evesham e-box or whatever it's called, but it's nothing more than a rebadged h.264 STB

[10:59:51]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, only if they pair it with a ps3

[11:00:01]

Dagmar:

ivor: Holy crap where can I get one of those?

[11:00:18]

juski:

from online intertubes Dagmar

[11:00:27]

ivor:

anywhere. they're not expensive. and it's an ideal myth remote imho.

[11:00:31]

Dagmar:

In the US

[11:00:36]

Dagmar:

I'm not in Limeyland

[11:00:41]

ivor:

a friendly brit? :)

[11:00:46]

juski:

about 30 of your Earth punds, or 60 Earth Dollars

[11:01:05]

directhex|work:

ivor, so you have a ps3 remote?

[11:01:17]

ivor:

yes. for the PS3.

[11:01:56]

Dagmar:

Someone needs to make and sell those things in the US

[11:02:08]

directhex|work:

ivor, you could try and get a nice happy driver working anyway, right? :p

[11:02:20]

Dagmar:

I would definitely do my best to hammer out config files for those things

[11:02:25]

ivor:

directhex|work: yeah I've got so much free time.

[11:03:32]

directhex|work:

ivor, good good! http://ken.vs.ryu.googlepages.com/remote-version0.1.py is the most developed work i've found so far as a starting point

[11:03:43]

Solv:

okay, I've actually got a mythtv question! I recorded memento and then spent 15 minutes putting together a cutlist cause the commflag put a cut in every fade to black scense change...anyway not the point...i ran mytharchive to make a dvd iso and told it to use the cutlist, but it came up with a message saying it failed to remove the unwanted segments....but the command it issues has --honorcutlis included...sure enough when i played the dvd t

[11:03:52]

ivor:

doh. forgot the <sarcasm> markup.

[11:04:36]

directhex|work:

ivor, that's okay, i strip markup

[11:06:38]

juski:

Solv: the hidden plugin mythtaste decided it wasnted to keep the ads on account of them being more entertaining than the film

[11:06:54]

** Solv smiles **

[11:07:13]

Solv:

what's wrong with memento?

[11:07:23]

juski:

like when "emmerdale" fails to record for my wife.. I see "oh no, not this fecking tripe again" in the logs

[11:08:07]

Solv:

my mythtaste must be faulty then...cause it recorded the biggest loser yesterday without my permission

[11:10:06]

Dagmar:

Adjust the granlarity of it's decision-making by smacking the wife a few times

[11:10:28]

Solv:

Dagmar, you are a little bit too much into wife beating its scary

[11:10:50]

Dagmar:

Well, when little kids are the problems, you'll see me advocating smacking them around, too.

[11:10:54]

juski:

"Mr Miss World" got recorded last night. Man how much am I looking forward to watching that

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Dagmar:

juski: There needs to be a way to automatically file some things into a category that's hidden from everyone *but* the spouse. ;)

[11:13:56]

juski:

new DB tables requireds. user-preference-based categories :)

[11:23:59]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone offhand known exactly where in the database the last channel you were on is stored ?

[11:24:27]

juski:

cardinput IIRC

[11:24:38]

GreyFoxx:

Thanks

[11:25:03]

GreyFoxx:

one of my QAM channels is giving me troubles and I want to stop livetv from jumping back there at startup :)

[11:27:06]

juski:

wow I did RC :)

[11:27:21]

GreyFoxx:

RC ?

[11:27:25]

juski:

tunechan & startchan :)

[11:27:30]

juski:

remember correctly

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh hehe

[11:32:26]

hads:

Got a bit more of an understanding of the mythtv protocol.

[11:32:47]

hads:

Learnt a little about sockets too.

[11:36:06]

Dagmar:

Sockets are important

[11:36:30]

Dagmar:

It's important to remember those little adapters with the third pin sawed off are bad for computers.

[11:36:39]

Dagmar:

;)

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hads:

:)

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juski:

jees. top of the range creative soundcard for a shade under 200 GBP. wtf would pay Â£200 for a blimmin soundcard from _them_?

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Caliban:

:se noai

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Caliban:

adante:se ai

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directhex|work:

juski, the same people who would pay for a Â£350 graphics card or Â£200 'physics card' maybe?

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sinthetek:

hey, i was hoping that perhaps someone could help with remote control recommendations?

[12:19:03]

sinthetek:

i do not want to build a IR receiver from scratch and want to make sure whatever i get will work fairly well with mythtv

[12:19:19]

sinthetek:

mythtv/lirc*

[12:20:34]

sinthetek:

i got a wireless mouse for it already, assuming that the gui would be mostly-functional with a mouse

[12:20:49]

sinthetek:

and thinking i could use the mouse as the remote

[12:21:12]

sinthetek:

however half of the stuff isn't clickable and i cannot seem to select channels from the program guide with it, etc

[12:21:28]

directhex|work:

myth's not enormously mouse-friendly

[12:21:30]

sinthetek:

so i would like to make certain that whatever remote i buy will work fine

[12:21:39]

sinthetek:

i noticed :P

[12:22:06]

sinthetek:

also, like a dumbass, i got the hauppauge pvr150 tuner card w/o remote

[12:22:20]

sinthetek:

i didn't realize that meant the model would not have an IR sensor port either

[12:23:37]

directhex|work:

so what are your port options?

[12:23:42]

directhex|work:

do you have a serial port?

[12:23:47]

sinthetek:

yeah

[12:24:01]

directhex|work:

well you could get a pre-made ir receiver

[12:24:29]

directhex|work:

a serial one. and have fun with lirc

[12:24:37]

sinthetek:

any models or urls?

[12:24:41]

sinthetek:

i can use serial or usb

[12:25:10]

sinthetek:

all i need is an lirc compatible receiver and i can use most remotes or what?

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gbee:

yeah

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sinthetek:

ok

[12:26:50]

directhex|work:

i'm trying to find the place i got my adapter from

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directhex|work:

some german guy i think

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Dagmar:

Okay. Clearly I suck at recursion in perl now. *sigh*

[12:27:59]

gbee:

there are several places, where to buy depends on where you live and which site you like best ;)

[12:28:01]

sinthetek:

conrad.de?

[12:28:23]

gbee:

I bought from a german guy, but there is a US fella who makes them too

[12:28:39]

sinthetek:

oh wait

[12:29:09]

Dagmar:

Ah... there we go. Much better.

[12:29:24]

sinthetek:

so they're all homemade with no warranty or anything? i would rather make it myself if i can't buy onen from a company with a warranty or support or anything

[12:29:30]

sinthetek:

one*

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gbee:

http://www.zapway.de was the place I used, but seems he's no longer selling them

[12:29:38]

Dagmar:

With any luck this perl fragment and svg file I'm working up won't take months to get accepted as a patch. ;)

[12:29:45]

directhex|work:

aha! zapway.de is where i got mine

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Dagmar:

gbee: Oooo! Something I was too groggy to mention yesterday... If/when you edit the other themes, _don't_ just force halign left on everything. Qt actually does the right thing by default for LTR and RTL languages with respect to justifcation.

[12:30:44]

Dagmar:

I don't know if I needed to mention that or not, but better safe than getting nastygrams in farsi

[12:30:55]

gbee:

it was cheaper and easier than making my own – mostly because few places let you buy the components individually

[12:31:32]

Dagmar:

...and if you think I'm mercilessly brutalizing i18n for artistic purposes of right-justified text, wait until you see how much of the LCARS theme is really pngs with text in them.

[12:31:33]

gbee:

e.g. caps were all in quantities of 10,20+

[12:31:47]

Dagmar:

Justification: I've never seen anything but English on any Starfleet ship

[12:32:15]

gbee:

Dagmar: sure, I was actually just going to swap <centered> for <halign>center

[12:33:05]

Dagmar:

gbee; Okay, cool. I was just makin' sure

[12:33:35]

Dagmar:

After a bit of stupid-removal, I've got a perl script calling XML::Simple to slurp up ain Inkscape SVG and snag the coordinates for named objects

[12:33:42]

Dagmar:

s/ain/an/;

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gbee:

Dagmar: it was worth pointing it out, but I was taking the lazy route anyway :)

[12:34:23]

Dagmar:

Hopefully this will make doing layout a bit easier if people can just grab objects in an Inkscape image and drag 'em to where they want 'em.

[12:35:03]

gbee:

:)

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Dibblah:

Annoying Trac spammers.

[12:37:48]

Dibblah:

"oooh, someone's been busy!" was my first thought :(

[12:39:31]

Dagmar:

If anyone gets tetanus from looking at this script, I will not be a bit suprised

[12:40:24]

Dibblah:

gbee: Wasn't it you that was trying trac authentication?

[12:41:42]

gbee:

I wrote a trac pluging to add it, but Issac never got around to installing it

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Dibblah:

:(

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gbee:

it combined two existing plugins with some new stuff to allow user registration/authentication

[12:43:25]

Dibblah:

Yeah, I remember it looking quite promising :(

[12:43:58]

gbee:

I'm still using it on my trac install, but it would probably need updating to work with 0.11dev

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[13:12:57]

Solv:

anyone know of a way to get mythbrowser to use the popup keyboard available in the menus?

[13:13:35]

juski:

patch it?

[13:13:49]

Dagmar:

Basically, hack support for it as an input method directly into Konqueror

[13:15:40]

Dagmar:

Hmm... I *might* be able to make this just spit out a whole new ui.xml file

[13:15:50]

Solv:

no offence to the author of the plugin...but it is very hard to navigate...i find it quite useless

[13:15:59]

** juski laughs **

[13:16:04]

Dagmar:

I don't think *anyone* is going to like the way XML::Simple does it's nesting tho'

[13:16:15]

juski:

I find web pages on TV totally useless anyway

[13:16:24]

Dagmar:

Solv: Again, that's Konqueror. Feel free to complain to the maintainers of that that it doesn't support things they never intended it to.

[13:16:25]

juski:

scroll... scroll.. scroll.. scroll again

[13:16:59]

Solv:

true

[13:18:05]

juski:

I thought it was only ever about browsing pre-definied sites anyway

[13:18:26]

Solv:

also, I can't seem to find any wireless keyboards for sale without a mouse...they are all duo packs! The only one I found was a special mediacentre type that cost 150 bucks...i want something for about 40...

[13:18:27]

juski:

sites you define in mythfrontend's setup pages

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Solv:

yeah well the first site i defined was google

[13:18:49]

Solv:

and i wanna be able to type in a search term

[13:18:56]

Solv:

but using only the rmote

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juski:

don't want much do ya? ;)

[13:19:11]

opello:

just install firefox, heh

[13:19:25]

Solv:

i got rid of it...opera looks good though

[13:19:34]

juski:

what you could do is just make a custom menu item (see the wiki theme pages) & launch a real browser from that

[13:20:28]

Solv:

i think your missing the point but...it's not I'm being demanding...I'm just thinking about the fact that myth plugins really should integrate with the rest of the package properly...

[13:21:07]

Solv:

i reckon the other plugins do a really good job (well mythmusic could probably do with some reworking) but in general it's great

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juski:

not missing the point at all. users who've never contributed to the project come along & start making complaints...

[13:22:05]

Solv:

i'm not complaining thats the thing your missing...i'm trying to beobjective

[13:22:16]

gardengnome:

i wonder if it's really sensible to make suggestions like that in here.

[13:23:13]

Solv:

I do it with all OSS programs...just like to compare functionality with the competition to try and give real world user feedback about how it compares...

[13:23:42]

Solv:

if I didn't like mythtv I wouldn't use it...the fact is I love it and I think it's great....

[13:24:19]

opello:

the argument could then be made that you're comparing apples and oranges — mythbrowser to something like a standalong browser

[13:24:27]

opello:

standalone, even

[13:25:01]

Solv:

constructive criticism needs to be taken in an effort to improve on anyones efforts in anything in life, without getting ones backup....their not attacks or complaints...

[13:25:04]

gardengnome:

Solv: yeah, but in here, nobody will listen. and the developers don't care a lot for feature requests without patches, unfortunately

[13:25:16]

juski:

totally rightly IMHO

[13:25:50]

Solv:

that's fair enough....they should be focusing on the more important things like the core of mythtv....

[13:26:10]

juski:

if you really wanna talk about an unloved plugin thnk mythphone ;)

[13:26:43]

gardengnome:

Solv: construtive criticism in here goes straight to /dev/null. better add it to the wiki, there's a wish list. dunno if it's actually read by the developers, though :)

[13:26:48]

Solv:

but often coders/developers aren't aware of the things users are, and dropping a comment might make them aware and thing "ah, i never thought of that..good idea!"

[13:26:54]

Solv:

gardengnome, okay

[13:27:20]

sivel27:

hello all, has anyone gotten myth to work with a pansat sat reciever?

[13:27:31]

juski:

the whine list is pretty much chock full of stupid ideas & most fall by the wayside AFAICT

[13:27:36]

Solv:

so back to the topic of wireless keyboards...anybody know of a plcae that sells reasonably priced keyboards only?

[13:27:56]

Solv:

s/plcae/place

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juski:

Solv: places I know sell bundles & just lone gear too

[13:28:09]

juski:

find a better dealer

[13:28:16]

Solv:

weird hey...i mean everyone sells mice by themselves

[13:28:17]

Dagmar:

Solv: Well, we'll let you go and bother them about that

[13:28:36]

Dagmar:

...because sitting here kvetching about it will cause absolutely nothing to happen.

[13:28:59]

Solv:

Dagmar, i think i finished with my response of okay to gardengnome

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juski:

Solv: careful of the range with the wireless keyboard stuff too. most I've seen have only a puny range of 2 metres – and those are the ones they're prepared to admit to

[13:31:20]

Solv:

damn

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juski:

a lot don't even advertise the range they do

[13:32:08]

Solv:

yeah i was hoping to be able to sit back on the couch and do the odd bit of surfing or typing...have it there to skip to next commflag etc etc

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juski:

though one guaranteed to do what it says on the box is one made by Gyration.. but then you're talking $$$$

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Dagmar:

I'm about to buy one based on what the reviewers on NewEgg have posted about it

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Solv:

anything bluetooth sohuld have 10m shouldn't it?

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fryfrog:

Dagmar: a wireless kb/mouse?

[13:34:08]

Dagmar:

RF wireless keyboard and trackball

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fryfrog:

neat

[13:34:13]

Dagmar:

There's only two they currently carry

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fryfrog:

how much?

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Dagmar:

The one where people were complaining that you couldn't type more than 30wpm and another one that people were complaining had a max range of about 8 feet if you point the reciever straight at you are both out of stock now

[13:34:47]

Solv:

that loks good

[13:34:47]

Dagmar:

They're like $40–60

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fryfrog:

oh :?

[13:35:03]

fryfrog:

i mean oh :/

[13:35:10]

fryfrog:

having to point it at the reciever seems to imply IR?

[13:35:13]

Dagmar:

This is not a bad price for RF

[13:35:25]

Dagmar:

No that particular unit was just a really crappy RF

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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Dagmar:

NewEgg has nice pictures that make it easy to spot little oopses like that

[13:40:16]

Dagmar:

I have had an IR wireless keyboard before.

[13:40:18]

Dagmar:

Not again.

[13:40:36]

Solv:

yeah i've used one once...pain in the arse

[13:40:45]

Dagmar:

I would really rather Logitech made a unit with a trackball built into it, but no such luck

[13:40:58]

Solv:

http://www.cdt.com.au/prod.asp?prod=KBD053

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Solv:

Don't know what brand this is...but it is a good price

[13:41:12]

Dagmar:

Yeah but if I order from there all the keys will be upside down

[13:41:20]

Solv:

haha

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opello:

lol

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Dagmar:

I hazard that's probably http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823202002

[13:43:00]

Solv:

yeah...for sure

[13:43:20]

Solv:

i think ordering from here would save me a lot of money even after exhange rate and posatge

[13:43:29]

Dagmar:

I'm probably going to wind up tossing a coin later today to choose between the two on NewEgg

[13:43:36]

Dagmar:

Then will be the usual problem wiht trackballs.

[13:43:47]

Dagmar:

...can I get a glass eye that can replace the ball for a decent price

[13:44:19]

Dagmar:

I used to have one of those Kensigntons with an 8-ball in it. Made it kinda heavy but it was nice just the same

[13:44:31]

Solv:

I imagine something like that would work without configuration or drivers in linux

[13:44:44]

Dagmar:

Yeah, they're pretty standard devices

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Dagmar:

It's the ones that are IR and say "MCE" somewhere near that you need to watch out for.

[13:45:21]

opello:

i like my acer airkey ir keyboard

[13:45:34]

Dagmar:

There's several IR wireless keyboards out there that speak their own crackheaded protocol, which would require substantial time invested with lirc to get working as a half-assed keyboard

[13:46:21]

sivel27:

quick q- in the terminal on the frontend, i get a lirc_init failed message, but there is no pertinent text as to why it failed, are the more detailed log of this?

[13:46:24]

Solv:

that package below is pretty damn good price too, for a case with psu and the keyboard...damn, I gotta buy from overseas more often

[13:46:39]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: how do you only find 2 keyboards?

[13:46:53]

fryfrog:

I did a search for "RF Wireless" with mouse and get like... a lot?

[13:46:55]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: By specifically ruling out anything that doesn't have a trackball with it

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Dagmar:

I do not want a mouse wandering around loose

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fryfrog:

OHHH

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opello:

it doesn't look like a trackball? or does that include the flat rubber ones that you push the edge of?

[13:48:43]

fryfrog:

i guess "with mouse" doesn't magically make it a *BUILT IN* one :)

[13:48:50]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Exactly.

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opello:

oh the box art makes it look like a real trackball

[13:49:02]

Dagmar:

opello: Eh? Which one are you looking at?

[13:49:14]

opello:

that nmediapc one linked from newegg

[13:49:31]

Dagmar:

Click on the first picture to look more closely. Definitely a tiny little trackball in the upper right

[13:49:32]

fryfrog:

i wonder why they don't include ones with say, touchpad or the eraser tip thing?

[13:49:35]

opello:

the newegg images didn't, but the box art plainly shows it

[13:49:54]

Dagmar:

Actually images 1 and 2 both show it pretty well

[13:50:14]

Dagmar:

http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 2-002-03.jpg

[13:50:33]

opello:

i guess my dimensional acuity isn't much,heh

[13:53:09]

Dagmar:

Here's the "fun" thing about most of them...

[13:53:36]

Dagmar:

"2.4GHz radio frequency" == "Kills three 802.11 channels dead"

[13:54:24]

fryfrog:

oh, which ones?

[13:54:44]

Dagmar:

depends on it's mood.

[13:56:08]

Dagmar:

Wp to de reskoo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11

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Solv:

geez the appletv is not far off having a fully working linux happening...would be the perfect frontend for a lazy person like me who doesn't wanna build one themselves...plus it would be silent...sweet

[13:59:08]

Dagmar:

You could always just export your recordings over Samba

[13:59:12]

Dagmar:

Or you know, do some of the work

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Solv:

why over samba?

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Dagmar:

Because it was supposed to be able to read media from SMB shares

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directhex|work:

appletv lacks an optical drive, so can't be used for things like multi-region dvd playback or burning recordings which are nice to have on a frontend

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Solv:

ah...i'm with you know...cept it wouldn't run mythtv then....

[14:02:06]

Solv:

plus doesn't it only communicate with itunes...bear with me hear, i have only breifly lookd into it

[14:02:26]

Dagmar:

I'm not wasting any more time on it

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juski:

christ I'd hate to try & use mytharchive on my ickle 1ghz epia :-P

[14:05:46]

juski:

I mean I _know_ how slow it is on my athlon 2000xp

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directhex|work:

it was okay on my old front/backend (pentium-m 1.7ghz)#

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Solv:

okay..time for bed...cya all next time

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neo_hd:

morning all

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neo_hd:

does any1 know how i can fix eit data in dishnet?

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RobHu:

Can anyone recommend a Myth 'distro' for someone who just wants everything to work out of the box and isn't so interested in the fact it's running GNU/Linux under the hood? :)

[14:56:06]

cesman:

KonppMyth

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cesman:

crap, I cannot even spell my oen kid's name....

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cesman:

KnoppMyth

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cesman:

mysettopbox.tv

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j-rod:

and coming soon, a massively revamped mythdora... :)

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xzcvczx:

lol

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SP1:

hey all i just dld mythtv to use under puppy linux and i think it needs to be compiled to work what do i do

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SP1:

hi xc

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SP1:

xz i meant

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SP1:

can u help me

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cesman:

read the docs

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SP1:

they say nothing to me that i understand

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j-rod:

find a distro that has binary package

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cesman:

SP1: then ask specific questions

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SP1:

where do i find that at

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SP1:

i did ask a specific question cesman

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SP1:

didnt i?

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gardengnome:

SP1: read a lot on www.mythtv.org and wiki.mythtv.org

[15:00:34]

cesman:

<SP1> hey all i just dld mythtv to use under puppy linux and i think it needs to be compiled to work what do i do

[15:00:34]

gardengnome:

SP1: no.

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RobHu:

cesman: Thanks

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j-rod:

SP1: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Operating_system

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cesman:

I'd hardly call specific

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SP1:

thanks j rod im still new to all this im a windows xp geek

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cesman:

the docs are excellent!

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SP1:

and possibly wanting to convert to puppy linux

[15:01:55]

cesman:

or like j-rod suggets get a distro w/ if already

[15:02:23]

j-rod:

yep.

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j-rod:

because nobody has packaged myth for puppy

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SP1:

ok

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SP1:

i guess ill have to dl suse then

[15:02:58]

j-rod:

thus my suggestion that with your level of experience, you may want to choose a different distribution to start out

[15:03:03]

SP1:

what program then can i use to watch tv under puppy linux

[15:03:23]

directhex|work:

why would anyone package myth for puppy?

[15:03:32]

gardengnome:

SP1: what's a "windows xp geek"?

[15:03:51]

SP1:

a xp geek is someone that mainly knows about xp and prefers it

[15:04:00]

gardengnome:

ah

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directhex|work:

puppy is an ultraminimal distro. myth is a fucking MASSIVE collection of apps, dependencies, and cruft. not that that's a bad thing, but the two are worlds apart

[15:04:07]

juski:

a pervert you mean?

[15:04:07]

SP1:

but ive too many spywares trojans and worms under it so i might to linux

[15:04:15]

gardengnome:

juski: :)

[15:04:23]

SP1:

no pervert

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directhex|work:

myth plus required libraries is several times larger than all of puppy put together

[15:04:37]

SP1:

but i need a tv viewing recording app for puppy

[15:04:42]

SP1:

ok

[15:04:46]

SP1:

then what can i try

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juski:

of all the time I've spent in my life getting to know computers, linux has been the least painful by far :)

[15:05:01]

directhex|work:

why puppy?

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directhex|work:

are you trying to run on an old pentium 2?

[15:05:13]

j-rod:

juski: try running it on itanium... ;)

[15:05:27]

ubuntuEdgy:

stop tormenting them you guys...

[15:05:28]

directhex|work:

j-rod, we have one o' them coming in the mail!

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juski:

what's an itanium? sounds radioactive

[15:05:50]

gardengnome:

juski: some kind of intel processor

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directhex|work:

j-rod, we're paying Â£lots for it, so no!

[15:05:58]

** j-rod has one under his desk, another two or three in the lab **

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j-rod:

altix?

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j-rod:

those rock

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directhex|work:

j-rod, good guess

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directhex|work:

152 cores, 0.6TiB RAM

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j-rod:

nice

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directhex|work:

measuring RAM in tibibytes makes me happy

[15:06:42]

juski:

good for transcoding, then :)

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j-rod:

I think the biggest we have upstairs in the lab is 128 cores

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j-rod:

.5TiB

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j-rod:

actually, maybe only .25TiB...

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j-rod:

dunno. we have several. :)

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directhex|work:

at any rate, it should be a fair bit better than our current SMP kit

[15:08:07]

j-rod:

assuming you have need to compile multiple ia64 kernels, they're damned nice

[15:08:43]

j-rod:

(or some other dataset that doesn't break up well/scale across multiple cluster nodes)

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directhex|work:

mostly for gaussian03 i expect

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juski:

so this $iB stuff is catching on then? blech

[15:09:08]

j-rod:

big drawback of the altix is that it induces lazy-ass mpi programming

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directhex|work:

if you think we could run all our jobs on clusters, we'd be forking out for SMP?

[15:09:41]

j-rod:

heh

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directhex|work:

actually we got a very good deal from sgi

[15:10:05]

directhex|work:

but we're still mostly buying clusters

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j-rod:

no doubt, there are still places for altix and cray

[15:10:26]

juski:

hmm actually come to think of it, maybe WW3 will be all about KiB vs KB etc. it'll produce more casualties than distro-wars anyway

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j-rod:

in a former life, I worked for Linux Networx, deploying Linux clusters, primarily at Boeing

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juski:

new geeks making up new definitions to fox the old hands. eesh

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directhex|work:

juski, don't fear change!

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directhex|work:

j-rod, mostly fluid dynamics work i expect?

[15:12:14]

j-rod:

yep, heavy cfd

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juski:

directhex|work: it never confused me :)

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lirakis:

I installed knoppmth with an OLD BT878 tv card on my cable vision service. Everything works great except.. i dont get all my channels .. speedvision in particular

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juski:

what next ? doing away with 'I' before 'E' except after 'C' – and the associated exceptions ;)

[15:14:20]

lirakis:

.. i want to know if this would change if i had a 'digital' card .. or if this is a function of the cable box

[15:14:37]

lirakis:

and .. is there a way to get all my channels on my mythtv box?

[15:14:50]

Dagmar:

You will only be able to get _unscrambled_ non-premium channels

[15:15:09]

juski:

lirakis: you'll also only get analogue channels

[15:15:13]

lirakis:

Dagmar: ever ? .. there is no way to get hbo or anything like that?

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j-rod:

directhex|work: yeah, the vast majority if their stuff scales out well on clusters, not sure exactly what the nature of the jobs that have to stay on the behemoth's is, outside of "lots and lots and lots and lots of memory required, and doesn't scale well across a cluster"

[15:15:38]

juski:

lirakis: you can't use mythtv to bypass the need for a set top box in a lot of situations

[15:16:02]

lirakis:

but can i link the setop box with mythtv some how?

[15:16:13]

directhex|work:

j-rod, big memory footprint is quite possible. i can't see what they'd want a true cray system for though – vector programming is hell

[15:16:14]

lirakis:

i mean.. whats the point of a pvr if i cant record all the channels?

[15:16:16]

cesman:

efine link

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cesman:

define link

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j-rod:

directhex|work: years and years of legacy, running only on big iron, before clusters were practical

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j-rod:

I seem to recall something on the order of a 16TB memory footprint for some jobs

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directhex|work:

j-rod, that's... quite a lot

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j-rod:

indeed

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lirakis:

whats kind of wierd though

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lirakis:

hmm seems pretty lame

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juski:

lirakis: mythtv doesn't have any means to de-cripple pay tv

[15:21:06]

lirakis:

not that its mythvs fault

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lirakis:

.. im just saying .. as a solution.. its prett cludgey

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lirakis:

* pretty

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** j-rod wakes up and notes that we're probably way OT for the channel, but oh well **

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directhex|work:

the kernel might

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juski:

and by 'lame' if you actually meant to say 'incredibly powerful' you'd be more on the right track

[15:21:34]

directhex|work:

and does in some situations

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anykey_:

j-rod: could you integrate the subtitles fix to the 0.20.1 thingy? ;)

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j-rod:

anykey_: already done

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lirakis:

okay

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anykey_:

j-rod: cool

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lirakis:

i have another question then

[15:22:30]

lirakis:

.. i was running this ona p4 1.4ghz with 512 ram

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lirakis:

.. it was going REALLY slow whenever it was viewing tv

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directhex|work:

graphics card?

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lirakis:

.. i assume this is because my crappy old tv card doesnt have hardware encoding

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lirakis:

if i got a hauppage with mpeg2 hardware encoding.. is it likely to speed that up?

[15:23:27]

directhex|work:

a 1.4ghz processor should devour sdtv broadcasts. things that might be to blame could involve graphcis drivers, or slow hard disk access

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directhex|work:

or others. that's the fun of computers – all the guesswork

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lirakis:

or does mythtv always do software encoding?

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juski:

lirakis: with a pvr150 card you'd end up with mythbackend maybe chomping thru 3% cpu usage, even on an 800mhz CPU

[15:24:35]

lirakis:

.. well i have an old nvidia gforce mx 2 .. i have full nvidia drivers and gl support

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lirakis:

.. well this was mythbackend and frontend running on the same machine

[15:25:05]

juski:

check dma is enabled on your HDD if you use PATA

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directhex|work:

xv ought to be fine. check dma access on your hard disk

[15:25:40]

lirakis:

so .. you dont believe it is a factor of not having hardware encoding on the TV card?

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directhex|work:

i used a bt878 during testing, many moons ago. wasn't a problem

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juski:

lirakis: it might also be that. some cards can't do more than 320x240 grabbing without barfing

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gbee:

lirakis: sounds like a problem with something else – I've got a 1.4Ghz 512Mb fe/be and two tuners, even PIP works fine

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juski:

could be PCI latency ruining stuff

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juski:

uncompressed video data going over the pci bus can be too much for some boxes

[15:26:55]

gbee:

they aren't framegrabber/analogue cards though but still

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directhex|work:

oh maybe. p4 1.4 suggests wiliamette to me

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directhex|work:

what chipsets take socket 423?

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lirakis:

this tv card is literally from 1998

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lirakis:

its a wintv 98 card.. with a brooktree 848 chipset.. im suprised it even works still lol

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juski:

I tried for months to get successful full framerate grabs with a bttv card 3 years ago... couldn't do more than 320x240 at 25fps

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directhex|work:

i wonder when linux-friendly pcie tuners will land

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juski:

anyway.. hometime. going to see 'sunshine' tonight – hope it's not shit

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** j-rod has a pcie tuner in a box at home **

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lirakis:

so .. basically .. i need to setup get signal out from my set top box into the mythtv, then setup lirc to change the channels on the set top.. from myth tv ..

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directhex|work:

i wonder when linux-friendly pcie dvb-t tuners will land

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lirakis:

we will see if i want to spend this much time doing this

[15:29:20]

j-rod:

pending support for the saa7162 pcie bridge chip

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j-rod:

once that's supported, a number of cards can be made functional with relatively little work

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directhex|work:

i could go back up to three tuners!

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j-rod:

note to philips/nxp: you suck

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directhex|work:

not that my second one is working at the moment :|

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j-rod:

they have a linux driver, supposedly, which you have to sign an nda to look at

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lirakis:

thanks for your guys help

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directhex|work:

j-rod, duh. if there were a gpl'd driver, then the market would be swamped by chinese counterfiet pcie bridge chips

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j-rod:

supposedly, someone's working on a gpl driver

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j-rod:

I've tried pinging said someone, but haven't heard anything back

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directhex|work:

i'm not that fussy. i have outstanding issues to sort first

[15:35:03]

j-rod:

yep. I'd work on a driver myself if I actually had time

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j-rod:

would actually be a fun project, I think

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directhex|work:

don't you need a pcie bus analyzer doodad wiget to do that kind of development?

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j-rod:

not necessarily

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directhex|work:

hm. how about i buy you a ps3 remote and you get it working? it's an afternoon's work for someone less lazy/dense than me

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j-rod:

gotta buy me a ps3 too

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j-rod:

that's actually on my wish list still too

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directhex|work:

i can afford the remote, not the console

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directhex|work:

it's all black and bluetoothy! just needs some mild tinkering and knowledge of uinput

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j-rod:

I can afford the console, just not the wrath of my wife

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directhex|work:

your wife doesn't want one? not even for singstar? deary me :|

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directhex|work:

the ps2 isn't even mine, it's the fiancee's. and so is one of the gamecubes

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j-rod:

I've already got too many hooked up to the tv and another handful not

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j-rod:

though my 360 is dying

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directhex|work:

i should probably move the 360 so it's not next to the radiator

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ivor:

do you even need the radiator with the 360?

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directhex|work:

it's not that bad

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directhex|work:

if you want noisy, try the disc drive in a dreamcast. especially when it's reading a cd instead of a gd-rom

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Zider:

the only things worth playing is available as emulators anyway.. :P

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** cesman agrees **

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directhex|work:

there are great games worth playing on almost all systems

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j-rod:

yeah, I'll probably retire a console or two once I actually get around to setting up more emulators on my myth box

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it just has so much more charm when you play it on the real console

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directhex|work:

consider a console as an accessory needed to play good games – like a dance mat

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directhex|work:

RaYmAn-Bx, even moreso when the cartridge is autographed o/

[15:46:14]

RaYmAn-Bx:

heh

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Zider:

dance mats? bah.. games are meant to be played from the couch :P

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directhex|work:

plus emulators are never 100% accurate

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Zider: it's actually surprisingly fun :S *tries to hide the fact that he actually kept the dancemat he bought so his ex-gf could use it*

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Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: pff :P

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directhex|work:

snes and older is pretty much okay, but nothing 32-bit or newer

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Zider:

32-bit or newer are never any fun anyway

[15:47:33]

RaYmAn-Bx:

N64 is reasonable on PC i'd say

[15:47:41]

RaYmAn-Bx:

at least with an ok amount of games

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directhex|work:

RaYmAn-Bx, only for about 50% of games

[15:47:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

yeah

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directhex|work:

RaYmAn-Bx, the rest are glitchy at best, unplayable at worst

[15:48:09]

RaYmAn-Bx:

indeed

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directhex|work:

http://www.apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section= . . . IMG_0066.JPG is a reasonable shot

[15:48:30]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Zider: ah, now I see why your nick didn't make any sense in this channel!

[15:48:44]

Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: huh?

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directhex|work:

and the 360 lives on top of the old xbox, and the snes lives on top of that

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Zider: gp2x..

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RaYmAn-Bx:

directhex|work: you're insane.

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Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: yes?

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directhex|work:

RaYmAn-Bx, i'm a gamer :p

[15:49:28]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Zider: I could recognize your nick but it didn't fit in with this channel =P

[15:49:36]

Zider:

ah

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Zider:

RaYmAn-Bx: I've been here longer than in gp2x :)

[15:50:19]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Zider: yeah, well..I guess I've idled more actively in gp2xdev =P

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Zider:

hehe

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j-rod:

directhex|work: where's the wii?

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directhex|work:

j-rod, don't have one. it's not as if they've been in stock again since launch, and i'm tired of launch-day purchases with launch-day lack of games

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directhex|work:

j-rod, the 360 is an okay purchase now, since it has a reasonable games library. but the wii isn't there yet imho

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directhex|work:

and the ps3 certainly doesn't warrant purchase price

[15:52:13]

j-rod:

still need to finish zelda

[15:52:18]

RaYmAn-Bx:

mm, I'd love a 32x & Sega CD

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gbee:

any theme authors want to work on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2535 ?

[15:54:12]

biio:

directhex|work: 3d works good, but 2d doesnt work at all?

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xzcvczx:

is there anyone who makes wireless webcams?

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j-rod:

biio: neither

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biio:

j-rod: oh, okey

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j-rod:

you only get access to a framebuffer

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j-rod:

sony blocks direct access to the graphics hardware w/their hypervisor

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directhex|work:

biio, no. neither. /dev/fbdev and that's it

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j-rod:

even w/access, I think it'll be a lame HDTV frontend. Not enough memory.

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gardengnome:

yes, especially with certain themes

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j-rod:

can only imagine how crappy it'd be w/only 256M

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kallek:

I'm having trouble with my installation...

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kallek:

MythDora... it installed DVB of my hybrid card although I need analog only

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ivor:

j-rod: but it *should* be possible to produce a nice frontend in 256Mb

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__jason:

i'm doing a project for school: distributed comm flagger.. I need volunteers to record a show at 12:30, anyone up for it?

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j-rod:

ivor: yeah, prolly

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fysa:

weechat wins.

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Dagmar:

WTG CNN for showing very closeups of personal checks involved in the Mary Winkler case. Routing codes and account numbers, very very visible

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fryfrog:

sweet :)

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fryfrog:

who is Mary Winkler?

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ivor:

what's a "check"

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fryfrog:

some paper fake money thing from the 1700s :)

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ivor:

ooohhhh a cheque. :P

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fryfrog:

a che-que?

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fryfrog:

hang on, i have to cheque my cars oil levels

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ivor:

lol. is it friday yet?

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Zider:

how chique

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bluey-:

mhh anyone under freebsd=

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Dagmar:

Mary Winkler is the woman currently (as in live on CNN) on trial for shooting her minister husband in the back with a shotgun

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ivor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Winkler

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Dagmar:

...and she will probably get nearly zero sentence.

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Dagmar:

Something to do with her husband beating her, making her dress up and look at pornos, oh and the butt sex.

[16:31:11]

Dagmar:

Not joking.

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Dagmar:

I feel sorry for the woman.

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juski:

gbee: I could take a look at it

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juski:

I noticed that a while ago & flagged it but it somehow got pushed aside in my feeble brain

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gbee:

juski: thanks, would save me the trouble ;)

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** juski keeps his fingers crossed that this new buttontypes.txt file doesn't help the 5k1nn3r5 gain a foothold **

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gbee:

rofl

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juski:

yeah I know – far from it :) Having themes hard work is actually _good_ in some ways IMHO ;)

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Dagmar:

I'm about to make it less hard. :/

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juski:

well, prepare yourself for an influx of gawdy, puke inducing themeZ

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juski:

I hope it never happens of course

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Dagmar:

People will have to figure out how to use Inkscape first

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juski:

haha

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juski:

result ;)

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juski:

gbee: since 0.15.1 is mentioned, maybe it's time for a new file altogether

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Dagmar:

juski: Don't worry. I'll probably submit the script and templates as patches, so it won't be out of svn head until at least fall

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gbee:

not the worst, I think one of the readme files still refered to 0.13 before I updated/deleted it

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** kormoc|zzz waits for the OMG PINK PONYS theme **

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Dagmar:

kormoc|zzz: You joke but I was screwing around with a cuteoverload theme

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Dagmar:

just to taunt you guys

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juski:

Dagmar: you mean you never saw punktube-wide ?!

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Dagmar:

I don't think so

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juski:

er.. pinktube-wide

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Dagmar:

This wasn't hte one with the godawful maple leaves was it

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juski:

did it for a laugh, over-saturated baby pink

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kormoc|zzz:

Dagmar, http://www.thewehners.net/joshua/grfx/slashdot_omg_ponies.gif <-- was what I was referring to :P

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Dagmar:

Ah okay

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Dagmar:

Oh I know where the phrase comes from

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juski:

wow. when did video-ui.xml happen & push videomenu.xml out?

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juski:

I'll add the xml filenames later

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Dagmar:

I actually do hit cuteoverload.com every other day or so

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Dagmar:

It's where I got the kitten pic for Juski's kitten killing

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armandocerna:

I have a general mythtv question, is it possible to setup a mythtv box just to use as a front end to play divx/xvid files everything seems centered around recording tv for obvious reasons. I don't have a tuner card in my machine though and I just want to use it in this way.

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juski:

armandocerna: for what you want there are better, easier ways to do it than with mythtv

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armandocerna:

right now i'm using vlc with a web interface but it's clunky

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armandocerna:

juski: do you have any suggestions please?

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fysa:

check out oxine or geexbox

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armandocerna:

thank you

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juski:

what's the zoneminder plugin called? mythzoneminder ?

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juski:

nm – yes it is

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xzcvczx:

juski: what camera/s do you use?

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juski:

er.. lemme dig out a linky

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xzcvczx:

i needa find a cheap wireless cam or one that allows a cable of at least 10–20metres

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juski:

http://sfpsecurity.co.uk/osshop/product_info. . . . oducts_id=36

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juski:

I feed them onto cat5 with a circuit board I made, then un-cat5 them at the other end

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GreyFoxx:

Nice camera

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juski:

it's big!

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GreyFoxx:

I'm likely moving soon and was planning to setup some caps+zone minder at the new place

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xzcvczx:

well im just lazy and want to put one in the peephole on my door

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juski:

you can get cams for that very thing :)

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xzcvczx:

juski: you can?

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juski:

I put my cameras up to catch a miscreant kicking car door mirrors off. he's dead now :)

[17:37:23]

xzcvczx:

what ones that actually are designed to sit in the hole?

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xzcvczx:

lol

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xzcvczx:

nice

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juski:

xzcvczx: you buy the whole thing – looks like a regular peep-thingy from the outside

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GreyFoxx:

Dead as in in the dirt? Or dead as in if you catch him again you'll kill him ?:)

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** xzcvczx cant believe how stupid the yanks are when it comes to nuclear stuff **

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juski:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CCTV-Door-Eye-Hole-Secu . . . cmdZViewItem

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juski:

GreyFoxx: actually dead. he was caught kicking mirrors off on another street, somebody saw him, picked up a baseball bat & ran after him. the chase gave him (the mirror vandal) a heart attack

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juski:

found dead in somebody's garden the next day apparently

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GreyFoxx:

holy sh*t

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juski:

story goes that his girlfriend had finished with him that night

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fysa:

is it okay to laugh at that?

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juski:

I reckon it is

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fysa:

haha

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gardengnome:

don't think so.

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xzcvczx:

juski: fuck that is a good price pitty i dont have a credit card to make a paypal account

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gardengnome:

but that's just me

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juski:

he pissed a lot of people off, couldn't handle the repercussions..

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juski:

gardengnome: til you've had your own property vandalised on a regular basis it's safe to play devil's advocate

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gardengnome:

juski: suppose i'm playing god's advocate this time :)

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juski:

I _know_ it's hardly moral to expect somebody to be killed for something as trivial as damaging property, but having been a victim it's strangely satisfying. you know it's wrong...

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gardengnome:

juski: i won't go into a moral debate now, that'd be hardly on-topic ;)

[17:44:37]

juski:

if the guy had ever caught him he might've ended up dead anyway

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juski:

yeah I don't wanna be shouted at by a dude from under the bridge ;)

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gnome42:

heh, my car is vandalized every second nite, someone just carved 'FUCK' into my hood this week... I wouldn't wish any physical harm to anyone over it though.

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juski:

back on topic.. guy who emailed me about projectgrayhem segfaulting responded by saying he changed from ATI to nvidia & now all's well. funny that.

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GreyFoxx:

gnome42: You are a more controller person than me. I'd want to pummel the person. Certainly not death or crippling injury

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juski:

anyhoo.. time to go see a (hopefully good) film

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GreyFoxx:

but some pain

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xzcvczx:

juski: i dont know whether its theme issue or mythtv but using neon-wide when ripping a dvd the 9 and 0 things are off to the right

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xzcvczx:

and right beside each other

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gnome42:

GreyFoxx: yeah, I have a lot of practice :)

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xzcvczx:

can cctv cameras just hook straight into the composite video input on a tv tuner card?

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GreyFoxx:

xzcvczx: generally yes

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xzcvczx:

hmmmmm first time i have had a computer actually freeze in a while

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blackest:

whats the best mythfrontend theme ?

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GreyFoxx:

uhhhh the one you like the most ?

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GreyFoxx:

seriously, how do you expect someone to know what you like ? :)

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Zider:

third one from the top can make your mythbox fly, so that's the best one!

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blackest:

true but its interesting to see what over people like I've been looking at juski's and they look good

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Zider:

projectgrayhem ftw

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Zider:

:)

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** GreyFoxx likes several **

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gardengnome:

the purple galaxy theme is awesome, IMHO. it's probably out of date, though.

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GreyFoxx:

hnmmmmmm I wonder if I can combine the iptv record , and dvbstream to record several streams from asingle transport at once

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kormoc:

blackest, well, when you want other's opinions, really, it's better to ask something like, 'What themes do you guys like the best', rahter then 'What's the best theme'

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gardengnome:

yeah

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gardengnome:

i was almost gonna yell.

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blackest:

well it pretty much was what i meant

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kormoc:

so say what you mean and mean what you say :P

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blackest:

lol ok

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blackest:

is it just me or does myths navigation go a little off at times

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GreyFoxx:

how so ?

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blackest:

for example choosing watch recordings takes me to my tv recordings but back from there takes me to myth music

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blackest:

and other options

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blackest:

could be my xbox playing up

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blackest:

hmm not doing it now I guess its lag between signals

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gardengnome:

juski: have you read the first five words yet? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_development_guide

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xzcvczx:

is 54mbps wireless fast enuff to run mythfrontend over to a backend reliably?

[19:11:22]

Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: Just one front end? Good signal strength? HD or SD?

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blackest:

sd and good signal strength works fine here

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xzcvczx:

SD they will be about 6 or so metres apart with just wood between them or about 10 metres apart with no obstacles

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goreguts:

anyone have encoding to xvid set up?

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Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: SD mpeg2 is generally 4mbps depending on settings which is way under what 802.11G can actually do

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xzcvczx:

well mostly it will just be used for playing xvid as i get (NO) tv reception, also wondering whether it would work having the computer doing remote boot etc

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bender386:

hey i cant get my front end to connect to the backend on a different computer.

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Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: xvid is even less, so you should be fine.

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xzcvczx:

sweet

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bender386:

says something about cant connect to sql

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xzcvczx:

now all i need is the computer to replace the one in the lounge so this one can be moved through to the bedroom

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blackest:

bender

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blackest:

probably password

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bender386:

no i set that

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xzcvczx:

bender386: your mySQL server is probably set to only listen on 127.0.0.1

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blackest:

wrong ip address

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bender386:

changed that as well

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xzcvczx:

bender386: got the wrong color shirt on?

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kormoc:

bender386, did you run the grant statements given in the docs?

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gbee:

bender386: can you connect to the mysql server remotely? mysql -h the_ip_address

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bender386:

hum no i cant

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gbee:

it'll either be the mysql config or a firewall

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kormoc:

make sure there's no line akin to skip_networking ?

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kormoc:

in the my.cnf

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gbee:

what does "netstat -atunp" on the backend say?

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bender386:

a bunch of stuff

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xzcvczx:

| grep mysql

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bender386:

tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2420/mysqld

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xzcvczx:

see listening on 127.0.0.1

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xzcvczx:

only

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gbee:

ok, definately the mysql config

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xzcvczx:

you need to change it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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xzcvczx:

i think :S

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xzcvczx:

anyone tried linuxMCE?

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gbee:

xzcvczx: go wash out your mouth with soap!

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xzcvczx:

:S

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bender386:

so i should add the address of the front end as a bind-address?

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gbee:

j/k

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gbee:

bender386: shouldn't be necessary, you just need to find the option which disables listening on all remote addresses

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bender386:

skip-external-locking

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bender386:

is that it ?

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stuarta:

no

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stuarta:

skip-networking i believe...

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gbee:

bender386: it's something like skip-networking

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bender386:

hum not there

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stuarta:

listen-address ?

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bender386:

Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on

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bender386:

# localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure.

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bender386:

maby i can just add the whole subnet

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stuarta:

set bind-address to the ip address of your server

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bender386:

do you mean the fronent end?

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stuarta:

where's the database running?

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bender386:

on my server

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stuarta:

set bind-address to the ip address of your server

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stuarta:

server != frontend

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stuarta:

unless they are the same machine

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stuarta:

or comment out bind-address and skip-networking, and it'll work it out itself

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bender386:

hey a different error this time

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sinthetek:

anyone using mythtv on amd64? for some reason my mythbackend init script isn't starting mythbackend properly

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sinthetek:

it says 'OK' when i start it but ps and mythfrontend say that it isn't running

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goreguts:

i will be in a few days

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goreguts:

i'm sure a few people here are though

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woland_:

hey guys, can anyone recommend a dual channel digital tv card?

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gbee:

nova-t 500

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woland_:

easy to get working?

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gbee:

woland_: with a recent kernel, very

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gbee:

it has one or two driver bugs which cause hard lockups but they are easy to avoid

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woland_:

gbee: cool, in kernel drivers sufficient?

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woland_:

(if there are any)

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gbee:

yep, anything above 2.6.20 should be fine

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woland_:

cool, also do you think my GeForce 6600 will be up to the job?

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gbee:

actually, it's just occurred to me that we might be talking about different things

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woland_:

i have a 26" lcd tv

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woland_:

gbee: the nova-t 500 looks like what i'm after

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gbee:

I assumed when you said dual channel, you meant dual tuner?

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woland_:

gbee: yeah, so i can watch one channel and record another

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woland_:

sorry, i'm not very up on this kinda jargon

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kormoc:

woland_, where in the world are you?

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gbee:

ah good, for a second I wondered if there wasn't some new PCI-e 'dual channel' standard I hadn't heard about

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gbee:

a GF6600 will be fine

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woland_:

i'm in northern ireland

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woland_:

i'm a bit confused about connecting the card to the tv

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woland_:

the graphics card that is. it came with an adaptor that plugs into the svideo port

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woland_:

the adaptor then has three what look like "stereo" ports

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kormoc:

woland_, that's composite

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woland_:

i attached them to the tv using the only cable i could find but no matter what i tried i couldn't see the pc output

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woland_:

cool, thanks kormoc

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kormoc:

did you enable the pc output in the x config file?

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woland_:

yeah, although i'm not confident i did it all correctly

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woland_:

i'm sure so long as i get the correct cable i'll sort it out eventually

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woland_:

is composite likely to give a decent picture?

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gbee:

woland_: the yellow one is video, the other two are left/right audio

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gbee:

composite is fine imho, but I'm not one of those people who seeks absolute perfection in my tv picture or my speaker setup

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woland_:

lol me neither, i'll probably keep my soundblaster for the audio

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woland_:

thanks for the help guys

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gbee:

good luck with it

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xzcvczx:

anyone at berkley here?

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Tanthrix:

woland_: Your adapter has one yellow, one red, and one plug, or is it red blue and green?

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Tanthrix:

Er, one yellow, one red, and one white

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woland_:

yellow, white, red

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Tanthrix:

woland_: Never heard of a graphics card that does audio..

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woland_:

Tanthrix: so i only need attach the yellow ports?

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Tanthrix:

woland_: I'm just a bit perplexed. This is a GF6600 right?

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woland_:

Tanthrix: yeah

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woland_:

Tanthrix: sorry the adaptor has green red and blue

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Tanthrix:

woland_: Ok, that's better ;) Was messing with my world there for a second

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woland_:

Tanthrix: lol

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Tanthrix:

woland_: And that's all the adapater has, no other plug besides those three?

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woland_:

Tanthrix: an svid out

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Tanthrix:

woland_: Ok, that's more like it.

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woland_:

Tanthrix: which do i attach to the tv?

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Tanthrix:

woland_: And I take it your TV does not have component (red, green, blue) inputs?

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Tanthrix:

woland_: Basically, the best quality is this order: component > s-video > composite, so use whichever highest one your TV can do

[20:52:30]

Tanthrix:

woland_: The jump from composite (yellow plug) to s-video is not huge, but the jump from s-video to component is significant, but only if your TV can support it

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woland_:

Tanthrix: i think my tv just has composite, svideo hdmi, and scart

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woland_:

Tanthrix: i haven't seen component

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Tanthrix:

woland_: What model TV is it?

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woland_:

Tanthrix: it's some unheard of brand, i've never been able to find specs

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Tanthrix:

woland_: Hrm. LCD?

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Tanthrix:

woland_: Does it support HD?

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woland_:

Tanthrix: yeah lcd, allegedly

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stuarta:

does it have a vga input

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woland_:

stuarta: yeah

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directhex:

okay then, this evening we solve one of my outstanding issues. the choices are cpu-usage-at-100%-in-mythfrontend and capture-card-being-ignored-by-scheduler

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stuarta:

woland_: then don't bother frigging with tv out, and just use a vga cable

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Tanthrix:

woland_: Well, if it does HDMI, and it actually does HD, then you would get the best quality from using a DVI>HDMI convertor cable, then output at the native resolution from the screen

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stuarta:

far far far simpler

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directhex:

Tanthrix, wrong

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woland_:

wharfedale lcd 27 10 hdaf

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Tanthrix:

woland_: In the grand scheme, in theory, quality is best from DVI/HDMI > VGA > S-video > Composite (Though, some sets do better with component or VGA instead of DVI, etc..)

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directhex:

Tanthrix, cheap lcd tvs don't have an exact hd resolution – they're commonly 1366x768. however, they will only accept a recognised hd signal over hdmi – meaning the tv will need to scale 1280x720->1366x768

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Tanthrix:

er, DVI/HDMI > VGA > Component > S-video > Composite

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directhex:

Tanthrix, whereas via vga, yeah it's analog, but you can output the correct resolution and do any scaling on the myth end (which will almost always give a better picture)

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Tanthrix:

directhex: I am aware of that, but you are wrong to say that none of them accept native 1366x768. Many do, just takes a lot of tweaking to get it to work.

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stuarta:

sadly many != cheap

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woland_:

so a vga->vga cable would mean no messing with X?

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Tanthrix:

woland_: That might be the easiest solution for you, yes.

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stuarta:

woland_: it'll treat it like a display

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directhex:

woland_, you'd probably need a modeline

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directhex:

woland_, but that's about it

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Tanthrix:

stuarta: As opposed to what, a toaster? ;)

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stuarta:

directhex: a lot of them will support EID anyway

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stuarta:

mmmm toast

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Tanthrix:

agreed

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directhex:

stuarta, IME the EDID data tends to be garbage – listing 1024x768 as the maximum resolution

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woland_:

i'm not afraid of fighting X from time to time

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Tanthrix:

woland_: The best way to get a myth box setup with a HD tv is to output at the native resolution of the set.

[21:01:39]

Tanthrix:

woland_: Since the computer can do better scaling than your TV most of the time.

[21:01:52]

woland_:

cool

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Tanthrix:

woland_: The only problem is that some sets, as directhex has said, don't support the native resolution.

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Tanthrix:

woland_: So they can take much tweaking to get working, if ever. But, I'd say that if you can easily get the cable and return if it doesn't work, try hdmi/dvi

[21:03:10]

woland_:

so my athlon 3000xp, geforce 6600, nova-t 500, 1G ram, 80G hdd, vga->vga should work pretty okay?

[21:03:14]

Tanthrix:

woland_: Though, the quality difference between dvi and VGA is sometimes impercievable.

[21:04:01]

Tanthrix:

woland_: I'd say so, but it always depends on the TV. Some LCDs look great on some inputs but not others.

[21:04:18]

woland_:

how does the hdmi adaptor attach to the graphics card?

[21:06:26]

Tanthrix:

woland_: Via your DVI port. DVI and HDMI have the same video standard, so you just need a DVI to HDMI converter cable.

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woland_:

"Monitor VGA Connecting Cable,15-pin HDD male – 15-pin HDD male, 1.8 m" look about right? I've ordered so many of the wrong type of cables/adaptors in the past!

[21:07:44]

directhex:

cpu usage problem tracked down: it's an issue with the mepo-wide theme

[21:07:56]

Tanthrix:

Yah, for VGA that is what you would want.

[21:08:21]

Tanthrix:

(Not DVI/HDMI though, just so you know.)

[21:08:36]

woland_:

Tanthrix: :)

[21:09:32]

woland_:

even with the tuner card/cables i'm still saving a lot compared to buying a regular tv dvd recorder thingy

[21:09:41]

Tanthrix:

Dealing with 1366x768 sets is a real pain in the ass sometimes. You never know what's going to work until you try it

[21:09:59]

woland_:

i could probably spend the difference on getting a better antenna

[21:10:14]

directhex:

i've got magicks for a samsung dtv

[21:10:14]

Tanthrix:

Assuming you set is 1366x768 – what size is it again? ANd it's widescreen right?

[21:11:04]

woland_:

26" and widescreen

[21:11:30]

Tanthrix:

woland_: And the manual doesn't say anything about the native resolution or what inputs it supports?

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woland_:

Tanthrix: i don't have the manual, i'm just looking at the ports it has

[21:12:37]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see.

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directhex:

juski will be pleased. i've killed MePo in favor of projectgrayhem

[21:15:13]

Tanthrix:

I wish someone (I'd do it if I knew how, I swear!) would implement 1080P sized themes.

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zdzisekg:

directhex: I daubt there is a problem with the mepo theme. Probable your opengl stuff is not set up right

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zdzisekg:

directhex:when you run glxgears what frame rate do you get

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woland_:

thanks for the help guys, just placing the order now

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Tanthrix:

NP. Best of luck to you.

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psofa:

does mythbackend use any configuration files outside of mysql?

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psofa:

like mythfrontend that uses .mythtv?

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directhex:

zdzisekg, ~750. and mepo-wide is the only theme with a problem

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directhex:

psofa, it uses mysql.txt to know things about the mysql database

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compadmin:

When I run mythtv-setup, mythtv can't connect to the mysql database

[21:30:41]

zdzisekg:

directhex: I think my theme is also the only theme that uses the animated log and the fade-in/fade-out effect

[21:31:53]

zdzisekg:

directhex: a theme is just a bunch of xml files. nothing in that theme is different from other themes other then the two things i've mentioned

[21:32:11]

zdzisekg:

directhex: so nothing there that could cause problems

[21:32:40]

directhex:

zdzisekg, i said i'd tracked down the problem, not the root cause

[21:33:13]

directhex:

zdzisekg, it *works* okay, mepo's animated in the top-right corner, but i get 100% cpu usage on one core with the theme activated

[21:33:25]

zdzisekg:

directhex: that's fine, but so far you only found a workaround for it

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jvs:

g'nite

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directhex:

zdzisekg, that's true. did you fix "perental" in the mythvideo xml?

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zdzisekg:

directhex: what video card are you using

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directhex:

zdzisekg, geforce 7300le

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zdzisekg:

directhex: try running somthing that uses opengl, a game such as bzflag or tux-racer. if it does not perform well you know it's opengl problem.

[21:36:17]

zdzisekg:

directhex: I like to do a simple test using glxgears

[21:37:18]

zdzisekg:

directhex: if glxgears report slow frame rates, you know where your problem is.

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zdzisekg:

directhex: I assume you are using the nvidia binary drivers?

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directhex:

zdzisekg, no issues with 3d gaming. opengl is fine (or as fine as it's going to be on a card as low-end as the 7300le)

[21:43:35]

zdzisekg:

directhex: I used to run on a geforce 5200 and had 0 problems with the theme. Now I run it on geforce 5900 and that works just fine. I'm sure your card is more then capable of handeling the theme

[21:44:10]

directhex:

zdzisekg, it is. myth is responsive and usable with the theme activated. it just consumes a silly amount of cpu, which isn't suitable when i have other things running on that machine

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zdzisekg:

directhex: there must be a good reason for it and I'd like to find out why.

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directhex:

zdzisekg, i'll try disabling the animated mepo in the corner. where's that in the xml?

[21:45:51]

zdzisekg:

directhex: what if you switch to qt painter in myth and restart frontend? does that make a difference?

[21:46:10]

hadees:

directhex, but that animated mepo is the best part

[21:46:16]

hadees:

i wish all the icons were animated

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GhostFreeman:

is juski here?

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hadees:

and someone should just replace the mepo logo with a mythtv one ; )

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zdzisekg:

hadees: I'd be happy to replace it if you find someone to create one

[21:47:59]

hadees:

zdzisekg, someone to create mepo with mythtv on his stomach instead of those lines? isn't mepo copyrighted?

[21:48:33]

hadees:

i would try if i thought we could do it with out getting in trouble with the mepo guys

[21:48:42]

zdzisekg:

hadees: I don't think so.

[21:48:44]

hadees:

think they might not like mythtv stealing their logo

[21:48:48]

hadees:

thing

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directhex:

hadees, i think zdzisekg means "create an avatar for mythtv" not "paint over mepo's logo"

[21:48:59]

Jinx:

does anybody here have experience with crackly sound?

[21:49:18]

directhex:

zdzisekg, no issues with the qt painter. but then i don't get the fades – and the fades work fine on the other themes

[21:49:18]

zdzisekg:

directhex: that what I meant

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hadees:

directhex, well i might actually be able to do that

[21:49:26]

hadees:

i know a modeler

[21:49:33]

hadees:

what should the logo be though a TV?

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zdzisekg:

directhex: if the fades are what cause the problem, look at the base.xml and compare it to other theme

[21:50:26]

zdzisekg:

directhex: I'm at work right now so I can't check

[21:50:46]

directhex:

zdzisekg, i still suspect some bizzare conflict between the animated mepo and opengl painter. where's he specified?

[21:51:23]

zdzisekg:

hadees: I don't really care. could be anything.

[21:51:46]

zdzisekg:

hadees: let the guy get creative.

[21:52:29]

zdzisekg:

directhex: as far as I remember, that's also in base.xml

[21:52:40]

directhex:

yep. and that's not helped :?

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juski:

GhostFreeman: here, but not for long

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zdzisekg:

5PM. Time to go. later all.

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juski:

been to see 'Sunshine' tonight.. so-so

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GhostFreeman:

juski: I got a design with all the colors set right and left navigation, check your PMs for the url

[21:57:42]

directhex:

damn. if zdzisekg comes back after i'm gone, can someone PLEASE tell him i fixed the theme?

[21:58:39]

juski:

directhex: what was up?

[21:59:09]

juski:

being a fellow themer I'm interested in such stuff ;)

[21:59:14]

directhex:

juski, i replaced his <alphapulse> section with a normal <alpha>

[21:59:26]

juski:

ahh

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directhex:

which i technically nicked from blootubelite-wide, so i hope the themes are license-compatible

[22:00:03]

directhex:

bleh, i need to re-patch mythvideo to enable background drawing

[22:00:03]

juski:

yeah I used to have alphapulse, with the background as the 'logo' & it caused major CPU usage

[22:00:26]

juski:

I think jams gave me the solution for that IIRC

[22:00:38]

directhex:

another mystery solved by directhex o/

[22:00:49]

directhex:

now, want to help me get my cx88 card considered for recordings? :p

[22:01:28]

juski:

grrr been back on the forums a matter of days & already got a PM asking for help

[22:01:48]

juski:

well whatever it was, it's deleted now

[22:02:11]

GhostFreeman:

guess he'll get back to you

[22:02:32]

juski:

I'll delete that one too

[22:02:52]

** directhex knows the feeling **

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GhostFreeman:

sounds like my mailbox in the morning

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directhex:

i find ignore lists are a crucial part of any intarwebnet forum

[22:03:12]

juski:

one of my pet hates, folks PMing for help deprives the community

[22:03:48]

directhex:

and generally folk PMing for help are also complete retards anyway

[22:03:51]

directhex:

IME at any rate

[22:03:52]

juski:

if deleting the posts unread makes me an asshole, I'm an asshole :)

[22:04:31]

GhostFreeman:

if you can't read the docs and not get a hint, well yeah

[22:04:37]

GhostFreeman:

are the docs any good

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juski:

pretty much

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GhostFreeman:

that settles it

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directhex:

if you're giving specialist help that would cost you hundreds of pounds an hour from a consultant for free, then you can damn well pick & choose who you help, and be as blunt as need be with timewasters

[22:06:42]

GhostFreeman:

what he said

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directhex:

so, any helpful suggestions for my encoder problem? :)

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juski:

directhex: what's the problem exactly?

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juski:

is it a framegrabber or something like a pvr2000 ?

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directhex:

juski, Encoder 1 is a technotrend with top-up card. Encoder 3 is a nova-t. the nova-t is set to higher priority, yet isn't being used at all for scheduling (so conflicts are happening when they shoudln't). the card is fine in livetv though

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juski:

directhex: I'm never sure which way the numbers go for tuner priority. IIRC higher is bigger priority

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directhex:

juski, in the end it shouldn't matter – 2 cards are available, there's no excuse for it to ignore one and miss recordings

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directhex:

as i said, both cards are fine in livetv mode, so there's no sensible reason for it to ignore one for scheduling

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juski:

no idea wth is going on there

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juski:

if it was me, I wouldn't have the plop-up-tv thing, so there'd be no problem :)

[22:14:53]

directhex:

how else would i get high quality british porn and a-team reruns? O_o

[22:15:21]

juski:

how much higher is encoder 3's priority?

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directhex:

not much. 2 instead of 0

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juski:

hrm.. should be enough

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juski:

is that just so that you can still record stuff from TUTV if need be?

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directhex:

yeah. i just want it to avoid that card unless there's a conflict or porn^Wuktv-gold thing to be recorded

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directhex:

instead it's ONLY using that card. which is annoying in extremis

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juski:

and if you set them both to the same priority?

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directhex:

i'll go & try

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juski:

only thing I can think of is that the backend might be always keeping a tuner aside for livetv

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ObiWanNew:

can anyone help me making mythtv user in fedora as admin/root

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juski:

I dunno much about tuner priorities tbh – all of mine are the same settings :)

[22:25:36]

juski:

ObiWanNew: man su

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ObiWanNew:

su ?

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stuarta:

directhex: play around with mythbackend --verbose schedule --testsched and mythbackend --verbose schedule --testsched --resched

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stuarta:

i use channel priorities, and they work a treat

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juski:

ObiWanNew: su

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juski:

I was gonna suggest channel priorities but couldn't think how they could help

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stuarta:

the channel names have to match, i know that much

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juski:

now it seems clear though... say put UKGold on a higher priority then recordings for that channel would take precendence over others – and therefore (hopefully) by definition – tuner

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stuarta:

tuner priorities work AFAIK

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juski:

on my backend the different types of tuners carry different channels anyway, since I'd always prefer a direct digital stream over analogue

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directhex:

juski, i only have digital streams. and channel names match, since channel names are provided by dvb magicks

[22:32:09]

stuarta:

1 or 2 data sources.

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juski:

if only one 'video source', then that might be the root of the problem

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juski:

are those ever gonna be renamed btw? I'm surprised more people aren't thrown by the 'video source' stuff

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stuarta:

dunno.

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juski:

last time I posed the question seriously somebody told me it was unlikely & the blocker would be all the translations

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directhex:

juski, 2 different tuners, 2 different video sources, 2 different input connections

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directhex:

it definitely USED to work

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juski:

so what changed?

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juski:

you said both tuners definitely work but are you 100% sure? ;)

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directhex:

assuming livetv isn't lying to me when it writes the name of the selected source on the screen

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juski:

fair 'nuff

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stuarta:

you use channel record or any channel records?

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directhex:

que?

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stuarta:

in your recording rules

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stuarta:

record "on this channel" or "any channel"

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directhex:

any channel

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stuarta:

hmm.

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stuarta:

you'll have to try starting the backend with --verbose schedule and see how it comes up with the answer

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directhex:

where is the verbose info written?

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stuarta:

the logfile

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stuarta:

but if you run it by hand it'll be stdout

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directhex:

2007-04–18 23:42:53.970 Encoder card 1 free space 1098973184

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directhex:

2007-04–18 23:42:53.971 Encoder card 3 free space 1098973184

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directhex:

it definitely knows about both cards

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stuarta:

why is it card 3 and not 2?

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directhex:

i had to unplug card 2 for pci bus related reasons. and for whatever reason, it's stuck with that numbering scheme

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stuarta:

ah.

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directhex:

that was a while ago though

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stuarta:

you can just delete all your cards in mythtv-setup and readd them

[22:46:22]

directhex:

and re-add my channel icons and other related fiddles too

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stuarta:

well if you backup your db first, it's easy to test and go back

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juski:

when I upgrade my db isn't going with me

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stuarta:

huh?

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juski:

recorded, recordedmarkup etc will be, just nothing else

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juski:

set it up from scratch when I go for 0.21

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directhex:

note to self: redirect mysqldump into a file, not stdout

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juski:

heh

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juski:

scrolly much? ;)

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Dibblah:

Heh. At least it's ASCII :)

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pat_:

even if it isn't, a "cat /bin/ls" usually fixes it again

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Dibblah:

Errr... "reset" is more traditional.

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directhex:

okay, database backed up

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kb3ocf:

ah, yay

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kb3ocf:

Hey guys, I need your opinion if some hardware will work with Linux... I figured you guys would be my best bet to know.. It is a very generic "External USB 2.0 TV Tuner MPEG-4 Video Capture+Remote" seen here: http://cgi.ebay.com/External-USB-2-0-TV-Tuner . . . cmdZViewItem

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hjohnson:

kb3ocf: doubt it will work.

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kb3ocf:

exactly why, though?

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hjohnson:

because drivers won't be available.

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kb3ocf:

ahh. wouldn't generic ones work?

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kb3ocf:

if there are generic ones :P

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hjohnson:

kb3ocf: there's no such thing.

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kb3ocf:

darn

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hjohnson:

it's not a standard thing like DV

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kb3ocf:

ah, foey

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hjohnson:

and lord knows how much or little it actually does in hardware.

[23:06:03]

hjohnson:

and how much it relies on the host computer to do mpeg4

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kb3ocf:

well, as far as I can tell, it has no mpeg encoder thing

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kb3ocf:

hardware, that is

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hjohnson:

there aren't many hardware mpeg4 chipsets out there.

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kb3ocf:

hmm. what about this, hjohnson? http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-2-0-TV-TUNER-VIDEO-MP . . . cmdZViewItem

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kb3ocf:

(sorry to bother you, just all the lists of compatible hardware are incopmlete or inaccurate :/)

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hjohnson:

also doubtful.

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hjohnson:

I don't know of any USB tuners that actually work.

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hjohnson:

kb3ocf: your best bet is one of the Hauppauge WinTV PVR cards.

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kb3ocf:

the Happaguage ones will iirc

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hjohnson:

kb3ocf: not the USB I don't think.

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directhex:

redoing mythtv-setup from scratch helped. need to try a couple of other things

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kb3ocf:

darnit.

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kb3ocf:

heh, I guess I'll just have to use my Windows laptop (whcih I'm on now) hjohnson :/

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kb3ocf:

then I can use Cinelerra

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ObiWanNew:

does anyone know how to configure user (mythtv) in fedora6

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