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Monday, April 16th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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ubuntuEdgy:

I'm using mythfrontend , i cant be typing sudo ever time i want to shutdown

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have tryed visudo

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ubuntuEdgy:

no luck,

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ubuntuEdgy:

hads: where can i find this setting

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J-e-f-f-A:

ubuntuEdgy: My shutdown command is set to "poweroff", which the mythtv user is allowed to execute.

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hads:

In mythfrontend, under settings.

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hads:

Possibly general, I can't remember

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hads:

Damn, forgot to have breakfast.

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cesman:

I don't understand...

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cesman:

ok

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ubuntuEdgy:

I'm going to test it now if i don't come back, it will have been successful

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ubuntuEdgy:

now it says "poweroff: Need to be root"

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cesman:

you need to edit /etc/sudoers

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cesman:

something like

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cesman:

username ALL=NOPASSWD:/path/to/poweroff

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cesman:

then in mythtv the command to power off should be sudo /path/to/poweroff

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have done that with no luck, do i need to reboot after changing this file ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

ohh i see

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ubuntuEdgy:

if that's the case then i need to change the settings on mythtv to "/sbin/halt"

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** cesman waits for retraction on not understanding.... ;) **

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ubuntuEdgy:

still no luck i have modified that visudo file to " myuser ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/halt"

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cesman:

the user may have to log out and back in

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ubuntuEdgy:

and i have put "/sbin/halt" in the mythtv settings

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok brb

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hads:

You'll need to use sudo...

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hads:

Oh well.

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** cesman heads off to kitchen to make something to eat **

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ubuntuEdgy:

halt: Need to be root

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hads:

Yes, well you will need to use sudo...

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hads:

There's no point editing sudoers if the command you are using doesn't call sudo

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ubuntuEdgy:

sudo mythfroned ?

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hads:

Think about it. Do you need to run mythfrontend as root?

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ubuntuEdgy:

no

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hads:

Correct

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ubuntuEdgy:

?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes is do

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hads:

I don't think you quite get the concept of sudo yet.

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hads:

Edit the mythtv shutdown command setting and add sudo in front of the command.

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ubuntuEdgy:

its to get root privileges :-P

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok thanks

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hads:

Otherwise how would the OS know that you wanted to use sudo?

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hads:

It doesn't just magically do these things.

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cesman:

lol

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cesman:

guess he didn't understand....

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** hads gives up **

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hads:

I'll stop being mean

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ubuntuEdgy:

it worked :-D

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khanafur:

i have a problem i keep running into on all of my debian machines that i use for mythtv frontends

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ubuntuEdgy:

hey can i get help with mythwelcome ?

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khanafur:

after an update a while back all of the text on the qt screens is missing

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ubuntuEdgy:

when i type it on a terminal it keeps on opening new windows of "mythwelcome"

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ubuntuEdgy:

make sense ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help

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kormoc:

no

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spinull:

is it worth the extra $200 to get an contrast ratio of 10,000:1 vs. 1200:1, with a 1ms difference between the two tv's

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ubuntuEdgy:

be patient

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kormoc:

spinull, more depends on you then anyone else

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spinull:

how so?

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hads:

$200 doesn't seem like much for that bigger difference, but if you can't tell the difference visually then there isn't much point.

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jimbalaya:

this is driving me nuts ... I'm using Debian Etch ... the ivtv module(s) load at boot .... the lirc_i2c module doesn't ... if i modprobe lirc_i2c then it loads, and everything is ok, so i know it works .... i just can't find the proper place to add modules to load at boot :-/

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jimbalaya:

i ran 'grep -R ivtv /etc' with no results

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psofa:

/etc/modules_something maybe?

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hads:

/etc/modules

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spinull:

i can tell the difference

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jimbalaya:

the only thing listed in the /etc/modules file is 'loop'

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hads:

Just put lirc_i2c in there

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spinull:

is it going to drive me nuts later when im seeing it, should i decide to go with the cheaper one

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hads:

There's your answer :)

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spinull:

i

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jimbalaya:

hads: do i put 'modprobe lirc_i2c' or just, as it seems i should, 'lirc_i2c'

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hads:

The latter

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hads:

One module name per line

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jimbalaya:

ok ... thanks

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hads:

np

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jimbalaya:

...and to have lircd run at boot, i should add a script named /etc/init.d/lircd ... right?

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hads:

How did you install lirc?

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spinull:

im gonna go with the LG then, higher contrast ratio and 1ms faster response

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jimbalaya:

hads: source, i believe

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hads:

You believe? :)

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hound:

Does anybody get usable results with commercial detection? I never seems to work correctly for me... even with strict commercial detection on. I understand it probably wouldn't work on every channel, but maybe I'm doing something wrong too?

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jimbalaya:

yeah, it's in my source directory.... and I remember having issues with apt-getting it

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hads:

You're better off (IMHO) to install using module assistant and debs, that way you get the init script and everything.

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cesman:

hound: works well here!

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hound:

I like the logo detection idea, I was thikning it would look for the TV age logo that shows after every commercial, but it totally messed up when I tried only that method

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hads:

jimbalaya: Unless you have trouble or need a newer version that is.

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hound:

cesman, do you leave your commercial method set to : all availble methods?

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jimbalaya:

i had issues with apt-get and module assistant, but the source worked perfectly

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hads:

You could try just installing the lirc package. That contains the init script which might work for you.

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hads:

Although it might also be too debianised to work with a source install.

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jimbalaya:

well, it's in and working, so I'm gonna fiddle with an init.d script before i go reinstalling stuff

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jimbalaya:

thanks for your help, hads!

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hads:

np

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Law:

hmm under V4L it says you have a have X modules installed if not built into the kernel, I've done a lsmod and they are not show and tried to modprobe them but they are not there, I using unbuntu. any ideas?

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Law:

for example CRC32

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irq:

is there a way to use a CableCard with MythTV? does the ati ocur work?

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jroysdon:

oooh, good question

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** jroysdon waits for the answer **

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Tanthrix:

irq: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/262870

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Tanthrix:

In short, no.

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irq:

Tanthrix:

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irq:

err

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irq:

Tanthrix: this thread also seems to say that there is no way to capture video via HDMI into myth?

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irq:

what about a DVI input?

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irq:

cable box -> hdmi -> hdmi-to-dvi cable -> myth?

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Tanthrix:

irq: HDMI is is basically DVI with audiop, so no.

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irq:

so basically it's almost impossible to use mythtv to record HD?

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Tanthrix:

irq: Well, you can get an HD tuner card or use firewire to get HD stuff, but only if it's unencrypted.

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Tanthrix:

(Firewire output from a cablebox, that is)

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Tanthrix:

irq: Lame!

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irq:

it's infuriating

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Tanthrix:

irq: Call them up and complain – don't get off the phone until they give you your money back.

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irq:

it looks like the only choice i have is to buy a $800 hd tivo and go with my local cable company

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irq:

oh i did tanthrix

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irq:

oh, i did

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irq:

my, did i ever

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irq:

but the farthest i got was them submitting something to their "accounting department", and being told that they'd get back to me in 7 days. then i asked how they'd contact me, and i was told that i actually have to call in

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irq:

and from what little googling i've done, many, many people are in the same situation as i am, regarding the forced-commitment and soon-to-be-obsolete-tivo, and none of them have been able to get out of it

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Tanthrix:

irq: How long were you on the phone? I've spent 2 hours dealing with that stuff before. Eventually after going in circles it becomes too costly for them to keep talking, so often they will give in.

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irq:

according to my treo, 85 minutes, over 2 phone calls

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irq:

if it wasn't for this recent force-commitment, i could have canceled directv, as i had no other commitment (had their service for over a year, etc)

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Tanthrix:

irq: If you feel that you've exhausted that option I would call them up, ask to talk to a supervisor, and tell them if they don't get this fixed that you are taking the matter to small claims court.

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irq:

it was the supervisor i was talking to, and i actually DID mention the small claims court thing!

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Tanthrix:

irq: And if they still don't listen, go read up on filing a claim.

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irq:

i swear, after the first phone call, i spent a long time looking around the net for what tactics i could use

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Tanthrix:

irq: Definately go through with it. Don't give in, no matter how tempting and frustratingly depressing it is.

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irq:

how much of a pain in the ass is it to file a claim, and will it be worth $300 in terms of fees and how much of my time it takes? consider that my sanity is about 85% drained by my own day job

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Tanthrix:

irq: I suspect that given the small amount of money if you actually did take them to small claims court they would give in to shut you up

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Tanthrix:

irq: That's why they always win unfortunately.

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Tanthrix:

irq: Rather, that's why they get away with this stuff.

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irq:

i found a faq for small claims in california

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** Tanthrix almost just got screwed over by Best Buy so he's rather cranky about the business tactics of modern, large corporations **

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irq:

$30.00 to file, that's not bad

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irq:

my other worry is that even if i go through small claims court, they'll still put a mark on my credit report

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Tanthrix:

Well, you should definately pay. Don't just cancel the charges.

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Tanthrix:

But if they release you from the contract due to you winning I would think that it would be illegal for them to do anything with your credit report.

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irq:

i don't think directv cares about the law

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irq:

unless it results in multi-million dollar fines

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Tanthrix:

It just sucks.

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Tanthrix:

Sorry to hear your stuck dealing with it, I feel for you.

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irq:

i really appreciate the sympathy.. i feel pretty terrible

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Tanthrix:

Best Buy just tried to charge me a 25 percent restocking fee ($300) on a TV return despite the fact that the return policy did not specify that was the case.

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irq:

this is one of the reasons i really want to move to canada

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irq:

specifically quebec

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Tanthrix:

(Said there was a 25 percent restocking fee on special order items, so I looked up the special order items page, said the TV would have a "special order item" button if it was a special order item, didn't have it, yet they still tried to tell me it was)

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Tanthrix:

I got around it by calling back a few days later on returning it as defective, and it looks like it's going to work out, so I was lucky.

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irq:

the worst part is i think i might end up just keeping directv if their accounting department doesn't remove the commitment for me

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Tanthrix:

Not after spending 1.5 hours arguing on the phone, getting stressed out and pissed off, etc.. though

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irq:

i've already determined that right now anyway, getting a decent DVR for HD programming is too expensive

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Tanthrix:

I've decided to vote with my dollars now – I'm never buying anything from Best Buy again, and I just bought my new TV set from Costco (the best company in the world)

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Tanthrix:

irq: Do you have comcast cable in your area?

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irq:

no, Cox

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Tanthrix:

irq: I'm in Portland, Oregon and I pay 62 for digital cable and 11.95 a month for an HD dvr and 15 HD channels

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irq:

they don't provide a tivo-branded dvr, and aside from myth, that's the only kind of dvr i'll use

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irq:

i can buy a hd-tivo that will work with their stuff, but it's $800 or $600 on ebay

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Tanthrix:

You are right. The comcast DVR is the buggiest POS I've ever used

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irq:

which is $800 more than i have to spend right now, as i paid $200 for this receiver i can't use

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Tanthrix:

irq: Any way your friend will take it back?

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irq:

well, probably, but i don't want to ask him to, as it was just sitting in his garage for a year (he can't use it, he lives in an apartment with no way to install a dish)

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irq:

also, he's my boss

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irq:

i can sell it on ebay though, for $200 roughly

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irq:

but i'll probably keep it, because it still looks better than my older directivo which used svideo (this one uses hdmi)

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Captain_Murdoch:

irq: had he had service on the box before or was it still brand new and unactivated?

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irq:

he had service for over a year, which was the length of his commitment

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jd99:

Mythtv seems to check ~/.mythtv/lircrc if ~/.lircrc does not exist. This is fine, but I'm trying to get multiple frontends running under one user. This is working, but I don't think (could be my error) mythtv is checking the respective MYTHCONFDIR folder as specified... anyone else seen this?

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cesman:

there is no if, mythtv uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc not ~/.lircrc

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jroysdon:

hey, is cx23416 a normally supported chipset for MythTV? One place reports it as using the blackbird driver, which I thought didn't have support...

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jd99:

cesman, alright, sorry, but it should use MYTHCONFDIR/lircrc right?

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jd99:

I just thought I saw in logs it was looking for ~/.lircrc, I must have been mistaken.

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cesman:

you don't have to apology to me

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jd99:

cesman, must be my mistake actually, it looks like should be looking in conf dir

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jd99:

But... my c++ isn't all that great, and I don't know if this is the right place... but QString config_file = MythContext::GetConfDir() + "/lircrc"; if (!QFile::exists(config_file)) config_file = QDir::homeDirPath() + "/.lircrc"; it looks like it is checking the conf dir from mythtv, and if that fails going to ~/.lircrc (backwards from what I said) I need to figure out why it didn't go into the confdir at all for me.

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cesman:

jroysdon: mythtv doesn't care about the chipset perse...most anything support by v4l/v4l2, ivtv, dvb and a few others should work

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jd99:

Aha, this all was my fault. I spoke too soon.

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one here ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

im trying to setup ACPIwake

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ubuntuEdgy:

but i cant seem to change the year on the bose alarm clock ,cat /proc/acpi/alarm2005-04–16 20:07:20

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ubuntuEdgy:

i always get 2005 or some other strange number ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have solved it :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

bye

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vegeat:

anyone here have charter digital cable with mythtv?

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sandeen_:

hrm how can I set a recording to always just record the latest, non-rerun version of a show...

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sandeen_:

I had shows on "this time every week" but then scrubs moved dammit :)

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sandeen_:

yet, my tivo still caught it

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cesman:

you want record at anytime on this channel

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jasmarc:

can i watch live tv without it trying to cache it? i just rigged up a proof of concept setup but don't have the necessary disk space yet and its failing to 'watch tv' because its trying to record

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cesman:

it won't record a show that is already recorded unless you tell it to

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one please help me with a # MythShutdownCheck script for the backend

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cesman:

jasmarc: it _must_ cache that is how a PVR works

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cesman:

that is how you can pause, review, etc

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cesman:

if you want, you can use another program like xawtv for livetv

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cesman:

check the mythtv archives for details...

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jasmarc:

cesman yeah... i see.... the default setup wanted an extra gig of space so i cranked that down to zero to see if it would help

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sandeen_:

cesman, but any time on this channel will probably catch non-first-runs...

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sandeen_:

well, I suppose that's better

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have found a scipt but i need help to make it specific for my needs http://pastebin.ca/442280

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cesman:

hound: sorry, I stepped away

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ubuntuEdgy:

i need it to check if there is any shh sessions connected or ftp it not the computer can turn off

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cesman:

hound: I use the default (whatever it is)

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ubuntuEdgy:

too much to ask ?

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v Captain_Murdoch

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cesman:

The source is open.... There is never such a thing a too much to ask.

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sandeen_:

can anyone make mythflix properly add/delete from your queue?

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Alam_Debian:

since Feb 24, my ubuntu Edgy Mythtv server stopped recording shows, I think It was due to an update of mythtv packages, can anyone help me reset my MythTV database?

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help me with this ? Forbidden

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ubuntuEdgy:

You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/music/

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: pretty straightforward permissions error

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cesman:

probably an incorrect symlink in the ubuntu package that isn't pointing to the accurate location of your music directory...

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cesman:

xris: ready for the fest?

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** xris can't wait until .21 comes out and these errors just go away **

[05:44:18]

xris:

cesman: 2 weeks. :)

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cesman:

:)

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xris:

not that we're doing much. just sitting at a table

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cesman:

gets it from the db I take it?

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cesman:

got CDs?

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xris:

cesman: gets it over upnp

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cesman:

clever!

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xris:

been thinking about CDs. we'll see if kormoc and I can get that organized

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** cesman ponders if he should give xris a link to the next release of KnoppMyth before it is released.... **

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xris:

heh

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xris:

how close are you?

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cesman:

very

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cesman:

just working on a few minor issues

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xris:

cool

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cesman:

let me know if you'd like it

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cesman:

it can be LinuxFest Edition

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xris:

I'll have to respond when I'm more awake

[05:49:36]

cesman:

ok

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cesman:

no worries...

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cesman:

time for me to head to bed myself

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cesman:

xris: query me when you're awake if you're interested

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xris:

ok

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cesman:

I expect I'll have a long day tomorrow...

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** xris needs to figure out why this raid is suddenly so slow with nfs **

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ubuntuEdgy:

xris: i cant do it

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: is there a "music" symlink in mythweb/data?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have tryed to create one , like this udo ln -s /home/thami/Music/My Playlists /var/www/mythweb/data/music

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Captain_Murdoch:

cesman: is that based on 0.20-fixes?

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ubuntuEdgy:

and also to check liek this ,ll /var/www/mythweb/data

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ubuntuEdgy:

xris:is my link correct ?

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: not if you typed it like that (the space in "My Playlists" would get in the way)

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xris:

you also need to make sure that /home/thami/Music/My Playlists is readable by www-data (assuming by your name that you're using ubuntu)

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hads:

I guess an easy way if you don't understand permissions would be to `sudo -s` then `su – www-data` and see if you can access them

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ubuntuEdgy:

also i have been trying for so now i get this error from mythweb

[06:07:38]

ubuntuEdgy:

hail mary.mp3 was not found on this server.

[06:08:16]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: if www-data can't see the file, it can't see the file.

[06:08:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

before it was permision

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have deleted the music file by accident

[06:09:12]

ubuntuEdgy:

now i cant find it

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Captain_Murdoch:

po

[06:09:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

dohh

[06:09:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

wrong window

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ubuntuEdgy:

i dont understand the whole thing

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Captain_Murdoch:

xris: if cesman's image is 0.20-fixes based, you should tell him he might want to wait for 0.20.1 which jarod is trying to get out the door.

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ubuntuEdgy:

its kind of hard to explain things

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: good point

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Tanthrix:

xris: Is there any plan to allow 1920x1080 themes in the future?

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xris:

Tanthrix: no clue

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have deleted a file in /var/www/mythweb/data called "music" how can i get it back ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok i have now got it back

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ubuntuEdgy:

so do i chmod 775 on /var/www/mythweb/data/music ?

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: that's the symlink. you need to do the things it points to

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ubuntuEdgy:

xris: lets creat a symbolick like ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

my music files are in /home/thami/Music/My Playlists

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have been told it should be /home/thami/Music/My Playlists

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: backslash in the wrong place

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pat_:

"ln -s /home/thami/Music/My Playlists /var/www/mythweb/data/music"

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xris:

but if you delete mythweb/data/music and just start up mythweb, it should create the link for you

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pat_:

or that...

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ubuntuEdgy:

ln: creating symbolic link `/var/www/mythweb/data/music' to `/home/thami/Music/My Playlists': File exists

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ubuntuEdgy:

what dose it mean file exists ?

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hads:

FFS

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ubuntuEdgy:

i copied and paste it

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ubuntuEdgy:

didnt work

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ubuntuEdgy:

dont give up now lads

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pat_:

(teach a man to fish and all that)

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok thanks

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Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: I would have thought the meaning of "file exists" would be apparent to even a small child

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ubuntuEdgy:

ohh well

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ubuntuEdgy:

i will call it a day .thanks al

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: I already explained that you need to make sure that www-data can read your files

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xris:

if /home/whatever isn't readable, and /home/whatever/music, and .....

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ubuntuEdgy:

the files are owned by www-data thou right ?

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hads:

Have a look. It's your system.

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dsmith_au:

Hi guys, sorry to bug you – Ive *just* install KnoppMyth version R5E50. Im currently having some grief configuring mythweather. When I select the weather info pages, it shows my local as <blank> (as in nothing) , ASXX0089. The local code is correct and I checked in the mysql database. My problems are: 1) how to I update the '<blank>' to show Perth, or my post code and 2)how do I get the information to update? It continually shows 'unknown'

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dsmith_au:

and doesnt display the correct temp. Ive googled around, but Im not finding anything meaningful about looking under the hood.

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ubuntuEdgy:

they are

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xris:

dsmith_au: msnbc changed their website.

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: permissions on the whole path are what?

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dsmith_au:

cool!

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dsmith_au:

how do I update it? :-/

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dsmith_au:

is it in the database?

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xris:

dsmith_au: you can't for now.

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dsmith_au:

and do you know what it is now?

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xris:

mythweather is just "broken until further notice"

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dsmith_au:

ahh – cool

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dsmith_au:

thanks

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dsmith_au:

thought I was going crazy

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xris:

dsmith_au: there *are* bugs open about it, and chatter on both mailing lists....

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ubuntuEdgy:

xris:what path `/var/www/mythweb/data ?

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xris:

good places to check first for such things

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: no, the REAL path

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dsmith_au:

funny, I looked – and googled it – but nothing came up

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xris:

/home/whatever... like I said twice already

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xris:

dsmith_au: probably too new for google

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dsmith_au:

thanks anyway

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dsmith_au:

preciate the heads up

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: symlink just points to other files. it doesn't have any properties of its own

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh /home is owned by me

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ubuntuEdgy:

so should i se to to ww-data

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xris:

ubuntuEdgy: and the rest of the path

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xris:

no, you just need to make it readable

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xris:

and theoretically, only the music directories...

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xris:

chmod og+r should be fine (I think I got the letters right — I'd just use 755)

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok done

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cesman:

Captain_Murdoch: yes, it is 0.20-fixes (Source code version: 13173M)

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cesman:

on that note....

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ubuntuEdgy:

i still get the same thing

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ubuntuEdgy:

Forbidden

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have done every thing you told me too yet still

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ubuntuEdgy:

one more try

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ubuntuEdgy:

sudo chmod 775 /home/thami/Music/My Playlists

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ubuntuEdgy:

time to test

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ubuntuEdgy:

Forbidden

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok guys see you later

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have to go pick up my girlfriend

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ubuntuEdgy:

;)

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Lawbringer:

hmm if i do a "make load" with V4L and my dvb card still isn't picked up am i screwed?

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xzcvczx:

is there a way to have 2 folders for mythVideo?

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juski:

mornin

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rsdvd:

morning juski

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Lawbringer:

guys if i do a "make load" with V4L and my dvb card still isn't picked up am i screwed?

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iluciv111:

hi anyone able to tell me the default tv recording directory for debian etch mythtv. I've stuffed up somewhere and am now out of disk space (live tv is filling the hard drive and not deleting from its cache I presume as I have an 120gig drive and net install)

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Lawbringer:

iluciv111, i think it's var/lib

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iluciv111:

cool I'll have a look thanks

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juski:

you know this kernel_hz malarkey? if it was wrong or somehow non-optimum, could it show itself as a video playback problem where cpu usage is low (i.e. < 50%) but playback isn't smooth ?

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xzcvczx:

hmmm does anyone know if support for multiple MythVideo directories is in the works?

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xzcvczx:

anykey_: are you serious

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punter:

Is there a way to watch a show from a Windows PC while mythtvbackend is recording it on a Linux box? (besides buying a separate TV tuner card for the PC)

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anykey_:

I think I saw something like that on the mailinglists recently, but I'm not sure...

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** xzcvczx stuffs the manual down his throat **

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Tronic:

punter: Share the MythTV recording folder with Samba and use VLC on Windows to watch the file being recorded.

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punter:

just opening the file through SAMBA with a media player won't work, will it?

[09:20:05]

punter:

aaa

[09:20:09]

punter:

thanks! :-)

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punter:

:-) me=happy

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Tronic:

DirectShow cannot handle incomplete files, so media players other than MPlayer (the one ported from Linux) and VLC probably can't handle it.

[09:21:50]

xzcvczx:

thanks anykey_

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rsdvd:

hi all......are there any other docs for MythMusic? the docs section of mythtv.org shows how to install .... but no user docs

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juski:

rsdvd: wiki wiki wah

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punter:

No way to watch live TV on a Windows PC from mythtv though unless it's recorded, is there?

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rsdvd:

juski : thanks...but that didn't help me much. I want to work out how to show the tracks in album order not artist. If you go into select music you get all your tracks listed by artist.....how do you change that to album?

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rsdvd:

punter : there is no windows frontend that supports live tv...yet! Check out winmyth

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xzcvczx:

anykey_: had a look at x:y but then it makes it so that you have to enter one of those folders first in mythtv do you know if there is a way to make it so it just displays all the movies in both?

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pat_:

make another folder and symlink to both of them from it?

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anykey_:

xzcvczx: you could use symlinks

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pigeon:

hmm, after a lossless transcode, what i go into the editor again i get "no seektable", is this fixable?

[10:07:42]

juski:

rsdvd: not sure you can change the sort order

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juski:

pigeon: your recordedmarkup table and/or recordedseek table may be corrupted

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juski:

as for winmyth, feck that idea off for starters

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juski:

and as for no windows frontend 'yet' – ROFLMAO!

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Zider:

I heard there's a windows frontend being released right after the duke nukem forever release.. :P

[10:14:15]

juski:

maybe, maybe

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juski:

that'll no doubt be after MS release one for their xbox 360

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Zider:

just about when MS makes a decent OS :P

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Tronic:

Zider: So, that would be about seven years ago?

[10:18:52]

Zider:

more like seven years into the future.. maybe..

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juski:

if you're that desperate to watch tv on a PC, you'd just install linux on there anyway

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xzcvczx:

juski: are you a dev?

[10:24:12]

pigeon:

hmm

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pigeon:

it seems to be doing this whenever i do lossless transcode on a dvb recording...

[10:36:17]

juski:

xzcvczx: nope. not unless you count making themes

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rsdvd:

juski : I showed Myth with the MePo theme to a friend at the weekend – now I have an order for a new system :-) Myth just sells itself!

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xzcvczx:

juski: lol

[10:38:02]

juski:

"wah! you should listen to the users & do what we demand! make a windows frontend NOW!"

[10:38:19]

juski:

xzcvczx: and how dare you 'lol'

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juski:

making themes isn't trivial

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juski:

fucking asshole

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pat_:

heh

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xzcvczx:

juski: hence why i use your theme, :P

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xzcvczx:

well one of your themes

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Zider:

same here

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juski:

hope it's not a 4:3 theme for your sake :)

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xzcvczx:

juski: its running at 1024x768 on a nice 42" plasma :)

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Zider:

pretty sure it's a widescreen one :)

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juski:

I run neon-wide at 720x576 funnily enough

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juski:

but the DPI of X is mashed so everything's amorphic :)

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Zider:

ProjectGrayhem-wide <3

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juski:

gonna discontinue supporting that eventually

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Zider:

:(

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xzcvczx:

i run projectGrayhem normal at the moment, quite an old version tho downloading them both now and will change them

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xzcvczx:

juski: :O

[10:45:04]

juski:

hey you've got me mistaken for someone who uses my own themes

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Zider:

hehe

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xzcvczx:

juski: i like neon wide i know this is rude but not particularly fond of the greenish color you use......

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juski:

yeh yeah

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juski:

there's the program called the GIMP or something

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xzcvczx:

lol

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Zider:

I love projectgrayhem, it's perfect.. :)

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** xzcvczx agrees with Zider **

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Zider:

I never continue or finish any projects I start with, so not me.. :/

[10:49:29]

xzcvczx:

same here

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xzcvczx:

juski: any idea when you will ditch it?

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psyco-obiwan:

visitors and gf are most impressed with Grayhem, only on one frontend i run a different theme due the grayhem looking bad there on the tv set (brightness/contrast) probs

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juski:

when the maintenance needed to keep it working becomes too much like work

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xzcvczx:

juski: how hard would it be for me to change the green to more of a blue in neon?

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juski:

got news for ya

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juski:

it's not green

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juski:

it's cyan

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juski:

you on NTSC by any chance? :-P

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xzcvczx:

well sorry i am colorblind :P nah just kidding

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stuarta:

morning campers

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xzcvczx:

juski: vga -> tv but looking at neon on your webpage

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juski:

morning stuarta. how was frenchyland ?

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stuarta:

french

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stuarta:

am now drying out after a week of beer, wine, and food

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juski:

my guts have just about recovered from curry night on friday

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stuarta:

only another 1500 emails to go...

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juski:

almost got banished to the spare room

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stuarta:

that's one nasty curry

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juski:

several actually – banquet thingy

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stuarta:

had a nice one myself last night.

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stuarta:

after spending the afternoon in the beer garden at the local

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juski:

I was hard at work in the garden a lot of the weekend. felling bits of trees with a chainsaw :)

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stuarta:

mmm violence :)

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hads:

Oh, I'm just slow.

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orogor:

hi here

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orogor:

any french person here having a freebox ?

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Ruleke:

odd question :)

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orogor:

well it seems i can grab only epg for the hertzian channels, not for the freebox ones

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Ruleke:

not sure what a freebox is or an "hertzian" channel

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Ruleke:

I expect you are getting analog channels FTA, and some others digital through the freebox ?

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Ruleke:

if so, the analog ones use some sort of xmltv flavour to grab the epg ?

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juski:

ugh. is it 4:30pm yet?

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Ruleke:

nope

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Ruleke:

why

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fryfrog:

my guess is that is when he goes home

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Ruleke:

tssk slacker ;)

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Ruleke:

bbl

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juski:

slacker indeed. flexitimer more like :D

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hound:

I'm trying to debug a problem where my frontend will not connect to my backend (same PC), but the backend hasn't crashed. The message says the backend has "gone away." I think that means it connected and then disconnected me. Is that right?

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hound:

It seems to happen when shows get expired and manually removed.

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blackest:

any mythweb experts here :)

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blackest:

is there anyway to get mythweb to stream video files

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stuarta:

what version are you using?

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blackest:

i think it will be 0.20

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stuarta:

then no. it's currently an in progress thing in head

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blackest:

oh well guess it will not be too long then

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blackest:

i seem to have a permissions problem with one of my mythfrontends

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blackest:

with music

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blackest:

combined backend is ok mythweb is ok but the remote front end isnt getting permission i think

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stuarta:

you probably need to nfs mount the music onto the remote frontend

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stuarta:

so it lives in the same place on the remote frontend

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blackest:

if i scan for music with the remote frontend mythweb loses access to my music files and regains it when i scan again with the combined frontend

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blackest:

ok so just create an nfs share on the backend then

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sivel27:

hello all

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sivel27:

quick question

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Ruleke:

faster

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sivel27:

im running myth frontend on my laptop, which has worked well for about 3 months , and now all of the sudden, the playback of live tv is un-watchable, very laggey, etc

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Ruleke:

short explanation : something changed on your system :)

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sivel27:

are there any command i can run or logs i can read from the frontend?

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janneg:

lol: "Please don't open tickets here for Gentoo's fork of MythTV" http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3287

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sivel27:

anything?

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Ruleke:

I have a frontend.log

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sivel27:

how would one go about creating/reading that?

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Ruleke:

easiest is to start mythfrontend from cmdline

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sivel27:

actually i just did, and here are some interesting lines from it

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sivel27:

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168

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sivel27:

Major opcode: 145

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sivel27:

Minor opcode: 3

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sivel27:

Resource id: 0x0

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sivel27:

Failed to open device

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sivel27:

X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168

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sivel27:

Major opcode: 145

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sivel27:

Minor opcode: 3

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sivel27:

Resource id: 0x0

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sivel27:

Failed to open device

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sivel27:

2007-04–16 08:06:36.563 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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clars:

Im bying an hvr900 USB/tvtuner – wil that work?

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blackest:

sivel 168 is your synaptic tablet you dont own

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blackest:

its in xorg.conf but if you dont have a graphics tablet it cant be opened :/

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sivel27:

what do you mean? can i fix this? the playback was working great up until a couple of days ago

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blackest:

videoOutputXv is the interesting entry but I don't know anything about that

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blackest:

the 168 entrys you can ignore its not part of your problem

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sivel27:

ok

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sivel27:

i wonder what the problem is

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blackest:

have you changed something about your video

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sivel27:

nope

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sivel27:

not a thing

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blackest:

i would google the videooutputxv message and see what you find

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juski:

clars: you find out if it will work _before_ you buy it!

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juski:

AFAIK only the DVB part of the HVR900 card is supported in linux

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juski:

look in the linuxtv.org wiki & see if it's listed there. if not, check the v4l-dvb mailing list & their archives

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clars:

thanks juski

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juski:

anyway I might be wrong but I'd say there's very little point having hybrid tv tuner cards with mythtv right now

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juski:

clars: ugh! it's a dvb-t tuner with a framegrabber – software encoding. yucky. looks like analogue input support was added to the kernel in 2.6.17 for that card

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juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

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janneg:

juski: mythtv can handle hybrid tuners

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juski:

not 0.20-fixes

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juski:

or can it?

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janneg:

juski: afaik it depends on the card

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janneg:

juski: there is a special option you can only see if you have a known hybrid card

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clars:

juski, is the dvd-t tuner with framegarber not that god?

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juski:

janneg: ahh

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juski:

clars: I wouldn't go for that if it was my money

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juski:

better to go for two dvb-t tuners where I live ;)

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juski:

framegrabbers are evil anyway. everytime somebody uses one, I kill a kitten

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anykey_:

lol

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juski:

hometime.. got to go & see a man about some kittens

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Milosch:

heh

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** cesman uses framegrabber **

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anykey_:

cesman: a kitten must die because of *you*!

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** cesman uses another framegrabber **

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anykey_:

heh

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juski:

ok so maybe it's just me who is evil then

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anykey_:

maybe..

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juski:

buy a new HDD & reinstall

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coffee88:

damn. wrong channel!

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juski:

if the data is worth a lot to you & you don't have good backups maybe some kind company could save the data for you ;)

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coffee88:

weird thing is that I seem to be in the disk, and can see all the flies!

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juski:

time to fsck then, no?

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juski:

livecd to the rescue!

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coffee88:

yeah, guess I@ll have to open the case and chuck a cd in there...

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juski:

once you have it booting again maybe you could just replace all the files from your last backup...

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coffee88:

they all seem to be there anyway. it's odd. very odd.

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juski:

so the filenames are okay.. doesn't mean to say the files are fine

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coffee88:

I can cat and read the files though... some of them anyway...

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ivor:

crack open a beer and relax then.

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juski:

well, be totally sure by restoring a backup :)

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juski:

or am I just goading you cos you don't have backups? ;)

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juski:

hence the panic...

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coffee88:

and yes, I do have a backup of the important stuff. most of it, anyway...

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coffee88:

anyway, been a long time since i was here. everyone fine?

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ivor:

overworked.

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gardengnome:

stressed out.

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juski:

bored

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cesman:

all of the above

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xris:

juski: that video make it to the server?

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ivor:

although I did boot the PS3 into linux over the weekend.

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juski:

xris: yes it did & what threw me was the url has changed :)

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coffee88:

a typical day then!

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juski:

xris: because it's a low Q render the text hasn't come out very nice but you'll get the idea

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Simplton:

Does anyone here know how to get a Directv remote to control MythTV directly through the pvr150 IR interface?

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ivor:

http://www.google.com/search?q=lirc+pvr+150

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Simplton:

juski: So there's no way to emulate this from the D10

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Simplton:

remote

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cesman:

Not that I have directv, but you'd control directv via the 150's remote and blaster

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cesman:

if the 150 has info on the directv in it's firmware

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cesman:

which is something I don't know

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ivor:

hmmm I see freevo is stating ps3 support, did anyone try building myth yet?

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Daviey:

ivor, seems people have

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ivor:

I didn't find anything other than someone running a backend on one.

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ivor:

the question was more "did anyone here try ..."

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ivor:

hmm, I thought myth supported SDL video out. or am I going mad?

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GreyFoxx:

You are mad :)

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ivor:

hmm well there's an SDL check (commented out) in "configure"

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janneg:

ivor: that might be jsut inherited from ffmpeg

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ivor:

ah.

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Saviq:

can anyone say why MythMusic does not include my .m4a files while it did find them in the initial scan?

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blackest:

hi i've a problem with mythmusic allowing a remote frontend to access mp3's on the backend i think its permissions but i have no idea how to fix this

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gardengnome:

blackest: start looking at some log files.

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rthriller:

Hello

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rthriller:

Is there any hope to let my Pinnacle PCTV Hybrid Pro work on Ubuntu?

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juski:

blackest: mythmusic doesn't stream music to the frontend

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juski:

share the music dir from the backend & mount it on the frontend to the same path

[18:16:20]

rthriller:

Is there any hope to let my Pinnacle PCTV Hybrid Pro work on Ubuntu?

[18:16:51]

juski:

is there an echo in here?

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juski:

rthriller: it's likely a matter of support in the kernel you're using

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rthriller:

means it won't work?

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juski:

it could possibly be made to work, with some work on your part

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rthriller:

I tried with lots of tutorials on then net, but I could not get the DVB part to work, onlu analog, and no sound

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juski:

you stand more chance of success if you try searching the video4linux mailing list as well as the v4l-dvb mailing list, and maybe try asking in #linuxtv

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rthriller:

do you have url of v4l-dvb mailing list please?

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juski:

they have archives accessible from www.linuxtv.org

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rthriller:

ok, thank you

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juski:

hahah after one day back on the forums I feel like quitting again. oh boy

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ivor:

n/win 8

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ivor:

heh. fat fingers

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blackest:

how do i get mythfrontend to log ?

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fryfrog:

mythfrontend -v help -l /path/to/logfile

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fryfrog:

the -v help will get you all the 'verbose' options you might want

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blackest:

hmm cant record i guess i messed up the permissions again :(

[19:12:31]

blackest:

i seem to have a confict between www-data and mythtv

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blackest:

they both want to own the same files

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stanneh:

when i type in /etc/mysql/my.cnf i get access denied does anyone know why this happenes please?

[19:17:51]

juski:

you need to be opening that file in an editor

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juski:

as root or a user with root privileges

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stanneh:

i hit ctrl+ alt + f2

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stanneh:

and login as root

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stanneh:

this is my first ever use of linux =[

[19:19:20]

fryfrog:

blackest: so make them world writable or perhaps add one to the others group

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fryfrog:

stanneh: what distro?

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juski:

like I said you need to be opening the file in an _editor_ like vi or nano. if you've not used linux long I'd say to use nano

[19:19:49]

stanneh:

thanks :) will look in to that now

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juski:

but I'm not.. :-P

[19:21:03]

stanneh:

hehe :P

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gardengnome:

oh, you must have killed your share of kittens already :)

[19:21:32]

juski:

more than my fair share I think

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juski:

just recording some new musak for the promo video now

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Dibblah:

I just read that _so_ wrong.

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Saviq:

rotfl

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Saviq:

what's the music in that for, yeah?

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** juski laughs **

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juski:

yeah I'll be needing that 'VHS tape wow' effect later

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** juski always thought porno musak was supposed to set the scene & er.. accompany the action in some weird kinda way **

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gardengnome:

bongos?

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juski:

last thing I knew it was all about 70s-ish funky guitar & hammond riffs with the speed going all to hell cos of tracking problems

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[19:35:11]

Lawbringer:

hey guys anyone able to help me wth my budget tuner install

[19:35:38]

Lawbringer:

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion i may need another one/two

[19:36:41]

Zider:

or four?

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Zider:

;)

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stuarta:

two is a minimum i'd say...

[19:39:27]

Zider:

or a dual-tuner :)

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stuarta:

some of them are being a bit difficult

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Zider:

oh?

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stuarta:

i believe it's the nova-t dual that's been having issues with usb disconnects on the 2nd tuner

[19:40:58]

stuarta:

unless someone fixed it while i was away

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Zider:

I'm in a kind of a crappy situation here.. I still have analog tv because there's some channels that aren't available in the digital, and none of the companies here provides digital boxes with firewire either.. :P

[19:41:47]

Zider:

and I don't wanna get an analog tuner if I'll go over to digital soon

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janneg:

stuarta: no and the disconnect affects both tuners

[19:42:38]

stuarta:

i knew someone with the card would know the exact details :)

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stanneh:

juski: thanks for the tip i sorted it now :)

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sdlnxgk:

Night everyone gotta get some sleep.. hate working 11pm to 7am at times... Night !!!

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juski:

stanneh: seriously though I recommend you bone up on your linux-101 stuff before too long.. it'll save you asking embarrassing questions later ;)

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stanneh:

if mythtv lives up to the hype im going to have to :)

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stanneh:

just experimenting atm but this is looking good :P

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juski:

hype? what hype?!

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stuarta:

!seen hype

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MythLogBot:

hype has not been seen here

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stanneh is now known as hype

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hype:

:P

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gardengnome:

7kick hype and don't come back

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stuarta:

hmpf.

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gardengnome:

;)

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hype:

:P

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stuarta:

damn, 1500 emails to go :(

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stanneh:

thanks again :) gotta go

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juski:

shouldn't be so blimmin popular then stuarta :-P

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stuarta:

hehe

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** Lawbringer screams **

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Lawbringer:

ARGGGJJJJ

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** Lawbringer shoots himself **

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juski:

awww denying us the pleasure.. :(

[20:02:32]

Lawbringer:

ok does anyone know a decent dual DVB tuner for the UK which would work nice on an EPIA 600

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juski:

nope, not a 100% reliable one at any rate

[20:04:07]

Lawbringer:

really, so should i go for multiple single DVB tuners?

[20:04:13]

Lawbringer:

like i have now ;)

[20:04:55]

juski:

well, you can only have 2 pci ones max

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stuarta:

best option at the moment

[20:05:14]

juski:

with that board you can only have a max of 2 pci cards anyway

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Lawbringer:

which board

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juski:

and I wouldn't trust a usb tuner as far as I could shove it up my ...

[20:05:33]

juski:

nose

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Lawbringer:

oh well i'm maxed at one with my case

[20:05:58]

juski:

Lawbringer: with an epia 600 you can only have a max of 2 with an active pci riser

[20:06:02]

Lawbringer:

hence my issue with creating a near silent mtyhTV box

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juski:

my frontend is as quiet as the grave

[20:07:11]

juski:

the backend, which used to be an athlon 800 in a recycle number... is noisy, fugly & big

[20:07:22]

Lawbringer:

only other option is to have a seperate "backend

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Lawbringer:

hmmm

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juski:

cheapest, least hassle way to get a compact, silent frontend

[20:08:04]

juski:

my frontend has no HDD either :)

[20:08:07]

Lawbringer:

yet my overall power consumption rises :)

[20:09:32]

GreyFoxx:

Ok, having just looked at the proceedure to add QAM channels to myth it's ridiculously complex

[20:10:11]

juski:

Lawbringer: if you choose your hardware carefully for the backend it needn't be a power hog

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Saviq:

wow I'm in love with the Epia EX...

[20:10:24]

Saviq:

Component out on-board? sweeet

[20:11:01]

Lawbringer:

they do some very funky stuff

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Lawbringer:

however they do not have power

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juski:

you dont necessarily need power

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juski:

I mean – tivo et al get away with a 300Mhz MIPS :)

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Lawbringer:

could i encode 2 channels while watching one on it?

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clever_:

hardware encoding input cards might let you do it

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juski:

hardware encoding or DVB cards :)

[20:15:44]

clever_:

all i got is a frame grabber:P

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juski:

recording takes very little CPU if you have the _right_ hardware

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clever_:

my recordings take 70–90% of the 1.6ghz:P

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clever_:

and the recording gets damaged if i try to play something at the same time

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juski:

clever_: hardly surprising

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clever_:

i made a second frontend to take the load off the recorder

[20:17:18]

clever_:

so its steaming the video off to another pc which then plays it

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juski:

when all you needed to do in the 1st place was ditch the lamegrabber

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clever_:

but when theres a 1–2hour gap in my upcomming recordings i watch stuff on the tvout of the master backend

[20:18:07]

clever_:

i have no jop

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clever_:

how will i get a better card?

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Lawbringer:

well it's all DVB over here so i think that helps

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juski:

clever_: make some kickass themes & sell em :-P

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

my dad doesnt like the idea of usinb mythtv

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clever_:

says its too complex:P

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juski:

or you can sign up & get money for taking part in drugs trials

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clever_:

`e $age

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clever_:

!age

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clever[rev]:

I am 20.070189 years old. (I'll be 21 in 48wks 4days 8hrs 40mins 20secs.)

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clever_:

there it is:)

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juski:

excuses, excuses

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clever_:

lol

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juski:

I'm not made of money either. if I was I don't think I'd have even bothered trying mythtv tbh

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clever_:

9 started using mythtv using hardware i allready had

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clever_:

i*

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clever_:

so far the only thing ive baught for mythtv was a few parts for the ir blaster

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juski:

lemme see I bought my 1st dvb-t tuner for Â£15 from ebay. recycled an old pc for the backend. used an xbox to play recordings for a while, then got a bonus at work & bought an epia m10000

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clever_:

no xbox here

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clever_:

got about 15 pc's total

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clever_:

6 of which are running right now

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juski:

sell some crap & buy a pvr150 then :)

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ivor:

... obligitory beowulf cluster of those comment.

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clever_:

dont think mythtv can run on a cluster of 200mhz's:P

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clever_:

my laptop works great as a frontend

[20:26:18]

clever_:

but the tvout on it still doesnt work

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clever_:

so i cant exactly make it part of the tv setup when i get the new one

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juski:

I shudder to think what your household electricity bill is with all those machines on all the time

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clever_:

lol

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clever_:

i ran my laptop off a 12v batery for 10+ hours

[20:27:22]

clever_:

that took some load off the power bill:P

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stuarta:

all you need then is a solar panel to charge the battery...

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clever_:

yeah

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clever_:

it came out of the jeep

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clever_:

was charged enough to turn over the engine

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clever_:

but it couldnt handle the new whinch so we replaced it

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GhostFreeman:

anyone here on the site redesign team? How long do we have before all mockup designs have to be in?

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juski:

GhostFreeman: I've not seen a deadline for that

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clever_:

juski: found the power bills

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clever_:

dec of 2005 was 101$

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clever_:

noc was 82

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clever_:

dec 2004 was 111

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GhostFreeman:

neither have I

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juski:

GhostFreeman: I'd just assume ASAP then :)

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GhostFreeman:

I have a site design in the works, just need to finish the art and make it look right in IE and Opera

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clever_:

found the latest one

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juski:

good luck with that. i ran out of steam very early on

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GhostFreeman:

yeah, soon can't be soon enough I assume

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clever_:

feb 2007 was 104$

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juski:

I'll stick to doing themes & crap

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GhostFreeman:

i'm just adding an improved navbar to chris's proposal. It's not much but I like the look

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clever_:

802 kwh spend then

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juski:

bringing all the sections of the site together is gonna be tricky

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Tanthrix:

Bah at work.

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Tanthrix:

Reinstalling hosed XP machines just doesn't give me the same joy it used to...

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GhostFreeman:

yeah are they going to continue using Postnuke or what

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juski:

GhostFreeman: no idea

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GhostFreeman:

great

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stuarta:

GhostFreeman: have a chat to xris when he comes back to life

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GhostFreeman:

ok

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jrr:

do any of you record/play back surround with your mythboxen?

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juski:

jrr: I play back surround, spdif passthru into my digital receiver

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clever_:

my master backend has spdif out but thats the closest my pc gets i think

[20:39:20]

clever_:

dont even touch that output

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jrr:

juski: i'm not real familiar with the formats; in order to passthrough do you just keep the audio as it comes in?

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juski:

jrr: yup

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clever_:

i have 2 audio cards and could posibly use them as front and rear channels but the sterio that can handle all 4 channels at once is in the basement

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juski:

it's mostly only for dvd & video playback – we only get (at best) stereo sound on UK TV

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jrr:

i was initially hoping for a card that can encode digital surround, but the few that can don't work under linux

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juski:

jrr: you mean capture it? forget about it – would be loads of hassle even if you could get it working

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jrr:

juski: get BBC HD? Hustle and Planet Earth FTW

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clever_:

my motherboard has an onboard audio and the spdif

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juski:

jrr: no we don't get bbc hd

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juski:

I'm not putting that 60cm dish back up until dvb-s2 works in linux

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jrr:

juski: under windows, my montego card can encode dolby digital from sources that don't inherently support it (games, obscure audio encodings in video)

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gardengnome:

juski: it does work, kinda. there's a driver for a card, but mythtv doesn't support the multiproto api yet

[20:43:43]

jrr:

i'd ultimately like to record HD with surround audio through firewire, and play it back in surround via a digital connection

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juski:

gardengnome: same diff if it no worky in mythtv ;)

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clever_:

odd

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clever_:

did my irc connection die

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clever_:

nvm

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Saviq:

clever_: it seems it did not

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clever_:

:)

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S2:

gardengnome, did you follow the flames about the multiproto api?

[20:51:45]

S2:

gardengnome, looks like manu and markus will develope two separate apis for hybrid cards

[20:51:48]

gardengnome:

S2: i know they quarreled over it, but i want to keep my sanity so i will NOT read api flame wars :)

[20:52:01]

S2:

but it's fun

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S2:

really :)

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gardengnome:

two separate APIs sounds like something that'd make sense, really.

[20:52:36]

S2:

the hvr4000 has dvbs2 and works

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juski:

two different APIs? argghh!

[20:52:51]

S2:

gardengnome, no, not to me.

[20:53:07]

juski:

ah for hybrid cards..

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stuarta:

you can now get a 4 way card.

[20:53:28]

S2:

markus did write his driver, and wants his changes in the v4l tree. and it looks like they will be checked in.

[20:53:33]

gardengnome:

S2: that was bitter sarcasm.

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stuarta:

dvb-c,t,s & s2

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S2:

manu on the other side has his multiproto api

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S2:

but it's not finished

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juski:

why all the daft hybrid stuff? just make more multi tuners, not this hybrid shite :)

[20:54:22]

stuarta:

$$

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stuarta:

it's cheaper to slap together a few proto specific chips with some glue

[20:54:55]

juski:

:- great, so I can spend $$ more on a card with features I'd never use..

[20:54:59]

stuarta:

rather than develop a new chipset

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S2:

no, that will be Ã¼ber cool

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S2:

you can have one card with dvb-s, dvb-t, analog and dvb-s2

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S2:

in one tiny core duo case

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stuarta:

already out

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S2:

and maybe one day all tuners on that card will work together

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juski:

and it'd be incapable of recording more than one thing at the same time

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stuarta:

hang on.... s/analog/dvb-c

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anykey_:

juski: thats exactly the problem...

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juski:

single tuner pvrs are like SO 1999

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S2:

juski, steven toth sad he is working on an rfc to allow the cards to record at the same time from the different demods

[20:57:31]

juski:

I see. didn't think the hardware would even be capable of it

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S2:

it's just that until the multiproto api is not in the main v4l tree he is afraid to start real work

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juski:

I can see that

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juski:

cos who'd want to start loads of work if it's all going to end up down the pan?

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S2:

i really hope they stop flaming and start implementing this cool stuff :)

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DssDemon:

greetings all

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GhostFreeman:

juski if you want me to send you a link of the progress i've made so far, I can

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juski:

GhostFreeman: yeah if it's no trouble

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GhostFreeman:

alright http://loliserv.org/~ghostfreeman/mythtvmock/newmyth.tabbed.htm

[21:14:02]

juski:

cool. take it you're gonna be changing the logo background then

[21:14:40]

GhostFreeman:

Nah, the navbars will don a nice shade of blue before i post a final to the mailing list

[21:15:01]

GhostFreeman:

that will occur once I get it to look right in IE6

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juski:

that's the hard part. IE hates pngs

[21:15:33]

juski:

.. and proper css

[21:15:53]

GhostFreeman:

yeah

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GhostFreeman:

getting the navbars to look as intended in IE6 was a bit of a challenge, and the logo will probably be switched to GIF

[21:16:31]

juski:

ouch

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juski:

problem I had with gif is that it doesn't support partial transparency

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juski:

looks a bit raggy around the edges :(

[21:17:27]

GhostFreeman:

I never use alpha trans

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GhostFreeman:

i'm good with Photoshop though so I can get something close to that kind of quality transparency

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Tronic:

You could use alpha transparency and IE6 PNG hack.

[21:18:10]

Tronic:

I gather that IE7 works out-of-the-box already?

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GhostFreeman:

nope, also needed the same hack

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Tronic:

(no need for hacks)

[21:18:27]

Tronic:

It does?

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GhostFreeman:

the logo is fine though

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GhostFreeman:

yeah, apparantly

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Tronic:

If it doesn't fix PNGs either, why did they even bother to release a new version?

[21:20:23]

GhostFreeman:

I design for firefox so I can't be bothered with such things

[21:20:33]

GhostFreeman:

this is t he first time i've had to work with IE in a long time

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hads:

Tronic: It does finx alpha phg doesn't it.

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hads:

erm, *fix*

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xris:

GhostFreeman: btw, your layout doesn't resize very well. :) I'll be around later to chat more, but I encourage you to post your link under the official thread on mythtv-dev

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hads:

Actually, I'll rephrase. PNG alpha transparency works in IE7 without hacks.

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Dagmar:

That's a recent and welcome change

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Dagmar:

...and now it's only a matter of time before we find bufer overflows in it.

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hads:

:)

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GhostFreeman:

xris: I will, thanks

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GhostFreeman:

and I am aware of the resize issue, i'm going to work on that next

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hads:

IE6 is around 60% of the sites that I work on so you can't change your work pattern yet unfortunately.

[21:25:55]

GhostFreeman:

...once I figure out why the hell its doing that

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juski:

pity IE7's tabbed browsing looks like shit

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juski:

anyway.. time for bed. g'night all

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Dagmar:

I don't think they were ready yet to admit that tabbed browsing is as useful as it is

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GhostFreeman:

crap, how do I reply to an exsisting mailing list thread through gmail

[21:37:56]

GhostFreeman:

I ended up starting a new thread

[21:38:18]

Dagmar:

You cross your fingers and paste the topic, prepending "Re:" to it

[21:38:32]

GhostFreeman:

I knew it had to be obvious

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GhostFreeman:

hopefully nobody will notice that dupe then

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Dagmar:

Well, normally you'd be able to insert an In-Reply-To" header, but not with Gmail

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GhostFreeman:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

I hate mailing lists. Such a pain to deal with.

[21:42:36]

xzcvczx:

hmmm if you ever want help with software RAID it seems to be one of the LEAST documented things EVER

[21:42:47]

Tanthrix:

Someone neets to setup a proper forum for myth to switch over to.

[21:42:50]

stuarta:

software raid is fun

[21:43:01]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: mythtvtalk.com

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xzcvczx:

stuarta: hmmmm ever tried finding documentation on linear RAID?

[21:43:26]

stuarta:

i hate forums. mailing lists are so much better

[21:43:41]

stuarta:

xzcvczx: what raid 0?

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Tanthrix:

gardengnome: That's not official though, is it?

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xzcvczx:

stuarta: i must say i disagree with that.... i much prefer forums as mailing list archives dont ever seem to be well laid out with the web interface

[21:44:17]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: no.

[21:44:26]

gardengnome:

Tanthrix: it's not.

[21:44:49]

Tanthrix:

gardengnome: Yah, I'd like to see the mailing list dissolved and moved over to some forum, that way everything is consolidated.

[21:44:50]

stuarta:

xzcvczx: ah well, there's the thing, i just read the mailing list so i don't need an archive

[21:45:51]

Tanthrix:

stuarta: Isn't that the point of a mailing list? To have an giant archive people can search through to find an answer to a problem that someone else as solved?

[21:45:58]

xzcvczx:

stuarta: yeah but i dont need the mailing list enough to warrant actually joining it

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stuarta:

well yeah, but that's what googles for.

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xzcvczx:

lol

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xzcvczx:

but google can be up to a while behind where as a forum with a search function is much more up to date :P

[21:47:17]

xzcvczx:

stuarta: anyway back to it have you had experience setting up a system on software raid0?

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stuarta:

why would you want to do that?

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xzcvczx:

stuarta: when 320gig aint enuff for your movies

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Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: Are you just trying to make yourself one large drive?

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stuarta:

ah, you need storage groups, which is in head

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xzcvczx:

Tanthrix: yup

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Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: Use LVM – easy as hell. It's in the myth docs I think

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xzcvczx:

stuarta: head?

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stuarta:

ie. dev version

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stuarta:

unstable, whatever you want to call it....

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xzcvczx:

Tanthrix: lvm seems more complicated than linear software raid and from what i see more overhead

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xzcvczx:

s/see/hear

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Tanthrix:

xzcvczx: I thought LVM was linear

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stuarta:

one option you have is to use the 2nd drive for mythvideo

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Dagmar:

It depends on how you create your volumes

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stuarta:

or just move files across to the other drive and put in symlinks

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xzcvczx:

stuarta: my movies already use up all but 20gig of my 320 gig so it wont take long to fill up ALL my 400g

[21:53:30]

Dagmar:

LVM is deinitely easy to work with, once you get over the initial hump of installing it and creating the first volume

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: overhead?

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Tanthrix:

I can't imagine that LVM would be significantly slower than software raid

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Dagmar:

xzcvczx: No more than any other software solution

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hads:

With LVM it's easy as.

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xzcvczx:

Tanthrix: cheers will take a lookie

[21:55:28]

hads:

But storage groups which have been mentioned negate the need with mythtv

[21:55:36]

Dagmar:

xzcvczx: When I added the second 250Gb it took me all of five minutes to do it, and that is counting looking up the command to expand the jfs filesystem.

[21:55:46]

Dagmar:

So, yes. Finger-snapping easy

[21:55:59]

Dagmar:

ALthough perhaps the grammar of that is a little off the mark. Heh'

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hads:

I added a drive while my wife was watching LiveTV :)

[21:56:25]

xzcvczx:

hmmm but isnt the jfs file system live resiable?

[21:56:32]

Dagmar:

Now I'm trying to decide if I want to go ahead and deploy the NAS solution I've been thikning about

[21:56:40]

Dagmar:

Damn hard drive prices have left Moore's Law in the DUST this quarter

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Dagmar:

It might have been resizeable on the fly, but I had to power the machine down to add the new hard drive anyway, soo...

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: i know i will probably get mocked for this but remind me on the law

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Dagmar:

What law?

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xzcvczx:

Damn hard drive prices have left Moore's Law in the DUST this quarter

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Dagmar:

Oh, Moore's Law

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Dagmar:

THat technology doubles i power (or halves in price) every 18 months

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xzcvczx:

ahhh i see

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Dagmar:

What I'm seeing now is 500Gb drives for the same price 250Gb drives were *three months* ago

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xzcvczx:

lol yeah

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Dagmar:

Like, to the degree that I suspect now might be a bad time to own stock in HD manufaturing companies

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xzcvczx:

lol

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Dagmar:

THey're probably all going to be reporting lower than expected financial periods this time around

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Dagmar:

s/periods/returns/;

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Dagmar:

I mean damn 500Gb for $150 is crazy

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monkeypet:

Dagmar: yeah, I bought two!

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xzcvczx:

i remember every harddrive i have ever owned.... a 180MB a 1.2gig a 20gig a 120 gig a 30gig a 320gig a 400gig and another 30gig

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xzcvczx:

or sorry a 3.7 between the 1.2 and 20

[22:00:32]

Dagmar:

I still *have* almost all of mine

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Zider:

I've had too many to remember.. from 20MB to 200GB..

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Dagmar:

I've got a half dozen drives sitting in boxes on a shelf here... from like 240Mb to 8Gb

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Zider:

hopefully I'll get a 500GB soon

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xzcvczx:

and i remember when i bought the 20 i was like wow this is big.... then with the 120 i thought it was big til i started backing up my dvds

[22:01:10]

Dagmar:

I'm just tired of having to move files around.

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xzcvczx:

Zider: crap costs twice as much here

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Zider:

xzcvczx: twice as much as what?

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xzcvczx:

it costs you

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Zider:

xzcvczx: how do you know how much it costs me?

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kormoc_:

he's stalking you

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xzcvczx:

hmmmm has anyone found that if they are controlling mythtv from a remote/remote network connection port 6546 telnet thingie that if you go through a text field then go past it and hit enter it thinks you want the text field

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xzcvczx:

Zider: based on what Dagmar said.... assuming your a yank.... you know the usual

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Saviq:

a fast change of subject ;]

[22:03:17]

Zider:

xzcvczx: a.. yank?

[22:03:33]

xzcvczx:

and hes not

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Dagmar:

Yankee: Northern US resident

[22:03:37]

xzcvczx:

hmmm what is .se

[22:03:41]

Zider:

sweden

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xzcvczx:

thats alright as long as your not the thieving switz

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Zider:

hehe

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Dagmar:

I dont' even undersdtand what you're saying about the text field

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: ok.... for example if you go to edit metadata in mythVideo manager

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kormoc_:

Dagmar, I think he means focus gets stolen back to a text field after you brose to the one after it

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xzcvczx:

thank you kormoc_

[22:05:26]

Dagmar:

Well, you can't exactly blame the remote control for that

[22:05:26]

xzcvczx:

its been a long night

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Zider:

xzcvczx: ~$148 for a 500GB Seagate SATA

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Zider:

xzcvczx: ops, 400GB even

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Dagmar:

Same for WD, too

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Zider:

not much more for the 500GB tho

[22:06:09]

Dagmar:

Zider: I was looking at NewEgg yesterday. Everyone has a 500Gb for ~$150USD

[22:06:22]

Dagmar:

...including Maxtor, but it's a new line for them, so.. um... not with my damn money

[22:06:39]

Dagmar:

They've got a REAL problem with new product lines being fucked up

[22:06:45]

xzcvczx:

seagate sata 500 here is $190USD

[22:07:10]

Zider:

Dagmar: well I prefer to shop in-country.. less postage costs ;)

[22:07:35]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: i am not blaming the remote control.... but it doesnt happen with the normal keyboard so i am wondering whether it is something to do with myth

[22:07:44]

Dagmar:

Three times in the last year I've had to be on the phone with Maxtor concerning drives one of my friends bought

[22:08:07]

eille-la:

Hi, I am using mythtv 11813M (0.20) and i every time I create a DVD from from a divx/xvid or mpeg2 with myth archive, the resulting audio is always out of sync with the video. is that a bug with mythtranscode or something? thanks

[22:08:08]

Zider:

Dagmar: I only buy Seagate, that's the only brand that NEVER failed me..

[22:08:14]

xzcvczx:

i just stick with seagate... never had any issuees with them

[22:08:18]

Dagmar:

I'm that way woth WD

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kormoc_:

I'm also a WD fan

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Zider:

WD has caused me much grief

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Dagmar:

At the rate things are going now, that five year warranty might as well be lifetime

[22:09:14]

Zider:

had a WD once that died after 6 months.. turned it in, got a new one, it died after 3 weeks.. turned that in, got a new one, it died after 6 weeks.. :P

[22:09:14]

kormoc_:

my new WD is pulling ~77 mb/s raw data transfer rates off of the platers, I was impressed

[22:09:23]

Dagmar:

At the end of five years you'll likely have thumb drives that big

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kormoc_:

harsh

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Zider:

then I got a Seagate instead, and it's been chugging along for years

[22:09:43]

Dagmar:

Wow that's not the SE line is it?

[22:09:51]

Dagmar:

77Mb is pretty fierce for off-the-platter

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** kormoc_ gets link **

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Dagmar:

Zider: I would suspect something wrong with the power supply or airflow in the case for that kind of failure rate

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Dagmar:

You're talking about more drives failing than I have ever had _fail_

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xzcvczx:

i have dropped my 320gig seagate from well over a metre high when it was running and it still works hence why i trust them :P

[22:10:43]

kormoc_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136074

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Dagmar:

Holy geez *that* is doing 77Mb off hte platter?

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Dagmar:

Wow

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kormoc_:

yeah, I was amazed

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kormoc_:

my other drives are the 8mb buffer sata 1 versions of them, and they're around 65 mb/s

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xzcvczx:

so thats ~10MB/s?

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kormoc_:

xzcvczx, no?

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Zider:

Dagmar: the three other disks in the same case had no problems, nor the seagate I replaced them with (same cables, connectors, placement)

[22:12:20]

xzcvczx:

well b is bits :P

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kormoc_:

heh, details details... :P

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Dagmar:

Around here we don't measure in bits because it's an inappropropriate unit of measurement, man

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: lol

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Dagmar:

....and no lowercase b does not necessarily mean bits

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Zider:

some say b is byte and B is bit even

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Zider:

I just write Mbit :)

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gbee:

Dagmar: just about to commit your halign/valign patch

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xzcvczx:

i will try that next time in an exam then :P

[22:13:39]

Dagmar:

Really? Cool

[22:13:51]

Dagmar:

I'll have to finidh up the rearrangement of the theme elements

[22:13:57]

Dagmar:

I had to re-palette all the damn things

[22:14:26]

Dagmar:

I got ahold of an oscope... the card is definitely sending an unkosher signal

[22:15:05]

gbee:

if I get time I'll probably go through all the themes and update them to use halign instead of centered

[22:15:20]

Dagmar:

Apparently the electrical contractor who lives in my condoplex is a huge geek

[22:15:29]

ivor:

lol. mythfrontend up and running on the PS3.

[22:15:36]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: do you have / in lvm?

[22:15:40]

ivor:

about 2fps. :)

[22:15:55]

xzcvczx:

ivor: i want to see ps3 doing transcoding

[22:16:04]

Dagmar:

xzcvczx: Nope, I'm lazy,. I have the oS and stuff on a normal 160Gb drive because it's less hassle to install that way

[22:16:26]

ivor:

xzcvczx: yeah you'd need to compile/port the ffmpeg code to use the cell.

[22:16:31]

Dagmar:

Not like you typically need to expand the / anyway

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xzcvczx:

yeah but i am migrating my system and dont really have any spare storage unfourtunately

[22:17:05]

Dagmar:

I was kinda "sold" on LVM once I found out you can get it to move chunks of data off a physical volume and into another one

[22:17:20]

Dagmar:

Well, the whole drive doesn't have to be LVM

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Dagmar:

You can use partitions orraw devices for it. It doesn't really discriminate

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xzcvczx:

i was tempted to raid0 2 equally sized partitions but that would make it much harder to add drives down the track

[22:20:12]

gbee:

actually, I'm not about to change it, but I've noticed different areas of the UI code handle the whole alignment thing differently

[22:20:33]

Zider:

Dagmar: how well does it handle disk errors?

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gbee:

ui.xml treats them as attributes rather than tags, which is how it really should be according to the xml "philosophy"

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Dagmar:

Zider: Same way everything else does.

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Dagmar:

If you have lost data, you've lost data

[22:22:33]

Zider:

ah

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Dagmar:

...unless you used a data-redundant setup with mirrored data or checksums

[22:23:26]

xzcvczx:

same as raid0/linear raid probably

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xzcvczx:

one dies everything == gone

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gbee:

I'm not really following this discussion, but the storage groups code is designed to remove the need for LVM

[22:24:10]

gbee:

that's probably not at all relevant ;)

[22:24:29]

xzcvczx:

gbee: everythings relevent :P

[22:24:47]

xzcvczx:

esspecially when you know pretty much nadda like me

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Dagmar:

Yeah, especially considering the volume of data we're dealing with

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Dagmar:

Every little bit helps

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Dagmar:

My primary devel desktop takes me like two hours to do backups of

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xzcvczx:

bbs reboot to new kernel

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xzcvczx:

freenode seems to have been removed from the default server list in mirc :o

[22:32:30]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

is it worth getting a hardware decoder on an epia 600 mhz pc?

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Dagmar:

If you can find one that's supported

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xzcvczx:

anyone got juskis homepage address on hand?

[22:35:20]

gardengnome:

xzcvczx: www.juski.co.uk

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xzcvczx:

gardengnome: oh

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

Dagmar, is that yes it's worth it or no it's not

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xzcvczx:

last time i found it it was his host /him so oops

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Dagmar:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: *If* you can find one that's supported it would likely be worth it unless that machine is JUST going to be a frontend ofr ONLY sd content

[22:36:59]

Dagmar:

600Mhz is really pushing your luck for full-screen video

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jvs:

g'nite

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xzcvczx:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: esspecially with the crap media extensions that via cpus seem to have

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

Dagmar, i was planning both front and backend

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Dagmar:

That will likely fail

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Dagmar:

If you were using a PVR-xx0 card, you could run the backend on that, because it does all the heavy-lifting of encoding

[22:39:27]

Dagmar:

...but I wouldn't count on that to be able tp play full-screen video and even do a commflagging job without there being some careful process priority management in place, and even that would be dodgy

[22:39:37]

Dagmar:

The installtion docs talk about 1.2Ghz minimum for a _reason_

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xzcvczx:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: my sp13000 even has issues in places

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Dagmar:

This is definitely one of those kind of projects you want to throw a little money at because scrimping will be a constant source of pain and frustration

[22:41:42]

** hads waves in agreement **

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Dagmar:

Anyway, it's not like you can't score 1.2Ghz and 512Mb of RAM for like $180 now

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

at the time i got the kit i cost me a bomb but that was several years ago

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

it's been sat in a draw for years for a number of reasons

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Dagmar:

Are you in the US?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

nah

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

UK

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Dagmar:

You might do well to see if there's like a Craigslist.org site for your city and buy something used off someone

[22:42:33]

Dagmar:

Oh well

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

the SP wasn't even out when i got mine

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Dagmar:

Damn I like Super Paper Mario

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xzcvczx:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: when i have enuff money it will be moved through to the bedroom as a frontend only and i will hopefully get something much nicer to do my transcoding/everything else

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Dagmar:

Allow me to recommend rubbert grommet kits and Vantec "stealth" 120mm fans

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Dagmar:

...or just a bunch of skinny rubber bands and some creativity if you can't find a rubber grommet kit for a decent price

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

well by the sound of it people are near on to recommending gumsticks as front end and having so massive PC hidden away somewhere doing backend

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Dagmar:

I've got the 120mm fans in one of my cases mounted with just rubber bands and hope

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

i mean what does the front end do the decoding for one steam?

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Dagmar:

Basically it's a matter of whether or not you can play a full-screen mpeg file on the frontend or not

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Dagmar:

600Mhz is just plain pushing your luck

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Dagmar:

I have anotebook that I can use as a frontend, but it occasionally drags a bit, and it's 650Mhz on power, 500Mhz on battery

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

so the recording streams isn't so important

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Dagmar:

...and I have that thing tightened down hard

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Dagmar:

If you're using a PVR-xx0 card and not one of those (damn) framegrabber cards, recording is a doddle

[22:48:34]

Dagmar:

THe card does all the work of encoding a video stream

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Dagmar:

Your CPU is basically doing just about as much work as copying a file with those

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blackest:

could always try an xbox as a front end certainly handles sd fine

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blackest:

these days they are very cheap

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Dagmar:

Yep a used one would definitely be cheap

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

already got an xbox as a front end

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

umm i mean XBMC

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Dagmar:

Ah, then in that case you can probably get away with using the 600Mhz box as a mere backend

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blackest:

you got xebian on it ?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

nah just xbmc

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

very little else

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Dagmar:

The mysql server will be your biggest evil there

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blackest:

theres a 350 meg torrent you unpack to around 2 gig and ftp over very easy

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

i'm looking up my epia board

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking about adding more RAM to my box because I'm tired of seeing the drive go crazy when I pull up the recorded programs list

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

it has an embedded MPEG-2 decoder

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

that's gott help right

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Dagmar:

It might be a little crazy, but I can definitely see adding another 256Mb of RAM and just making it a 256Mb RAM disk if I can't convince mysql to simply get real grabby about memory

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Dagmar:

*if* it's supported

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Dagmar:

Do some Googling and you should be able to find out

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

I didn't skip too bad, i got a 1G of ram and 250gb hdd remember that this was years ago

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Hrm. That's not a bad idea.

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xzcvczx:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: they are supported but dont help too much

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Dagmar:

Even with nVidia cards using XvMC to accellerate decoding is kind of a dice throw, depending on the day of the week, the exact driver revision and card model, and what color your shirt is

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: and when you last changed your underwear

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

Dagmar, black if it helps

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: I am not keen on the idea of moving the db partition into a RAMdisk because it would make the thing VERY intolerant of suprise power failures

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

xzcvczx, umm week today :(

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Tanthrix:

No, they fixed the shirt color problem. Still have to cross your 3rd and 4th toe though when doing playback.

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Dagmar:

...power failure would be an instant db rollback

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Dagmar:

...and then having to clean up the orphaned recording files

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Well, that issue is fixed with a decent UPS.

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Dagmar:

Tanthrix: That didn't help me earlier this week

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Tanthrix:

Oh really?

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Dagmar:

I swear the electric company was watching my house

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Dagmar:

I've got 45 minutes of power on everything... and the fuckers had the power out for 48 minutes

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: nice

[22:55:00]

Tanthrix:

That's why you need to have the UPS shut down your system after X number of minutes. Problem solved.

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Dagmar:

That'll teach me to be lazy about setting up house-wide UPS monitoring

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Zider:

Tanthrix: that kills the uptime!!!!

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Dagmar:

At least it gave me an excuse to go ahead and upgrade the kernel on my service firewall

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Dagmar:

Dude I have MOVED and not lost uptime before

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Dagmar:

Chained three UPSes together, put them on a dolly and rolled the mess out to the trunk of my car

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Zider:

haha

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kormoc_:

Dagmar, could just have the memory db replicate to another server and written to disk, should be fast enough to keep up on a local network

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ivor:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: is it an EPIA-M or one of the early PLE133's?

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Zider:

Dagmar: ultrageek ;)

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Dagmar:

THankfully I don't speed because I would have been hard pressed to explain to the cops why I have a buncha stuff running in my trunk

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Dagmar:

God forbid someone hit me when I was doing that

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Dagmar:

It would have been a fatality accident

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gardengnome:

head crash. :(

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Tanthrix:

"Officer, that's just my mythtv backend and firewall/router system" ... ... "Please step out of the car sir..."

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Dagmar:

Their head, my fist and boots

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sokminer:

Dagmar: heaven forbid you'd have had to stop (brake) quickly :)

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Dagmar:

The beeping from the UPSes would have definitely gotten any cops suspicions up

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Zider:

then the computer wouldn't be the only thing to crash :P

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Dagmar:

"OMG HE HAS TEKNOLOGIES FOR TERRURISM!"

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Tanthrix:

Gotta love paranoioa.

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Dagmar:

sokminer: I have beanbags actualy

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Zider:

WMDs ;)

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Tanthrix:

I'm waiting for the aftermath of this terrible shooting today to result in everything thinking that we ought to have armed guards, survelliance systems, and little black helicopters to fly around to make sure everyone is save.

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Dagmar:

Yeah I can see some redneck cop coming to that conclusion from the look of it all

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sokminer:

Dagmar: that'll work :-)

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Tanthrix:

everything = everybody

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Dagmar:

especially with the radiation hazard sticker onmy firewall

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Dagmar:

THey have NO sense of humor about that stuff

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Dagmar:

I used to stick it on my car as a gag

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Dagmar:

The cops was like "DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MUCH BULLSHIT PAPERWORK I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IF I THOUGHT FOR A SECOND THAT WAS REAL??"

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: cmon i dare you to try and go cross country without turning them off :P

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sokminer:

the shooting event at VT just re-enforces the need for on-line accredited degrees

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Dagmar:

I could do that actually.

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Dagmar:

I have a power inverter

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Dagmar:

THe whole car PC thing is kinda dodgy here because of heat

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: the batteries of your car are most likely not strong enough ;)

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Dagmar:

...and freezing in the winter

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kormoc_:

gardengnome, but the alternator is :P

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Dagmar:

To run one machine? Oh there's enough power

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sokminer:

too much jack bauer mentality

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Dagmar:

I did a wardriving thing once with a whole workstation running in the back seat

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

ok here's a question.. your saying that i shouldn't use the epia for both front and backend yet you saying that it could be used for either just not both.. the req's on front end are able to decode one stream and the req's on the backend are to store files (and next to 0 from what you imply)

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Dagmar:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: Yes. It has *just barely* enough power to play video

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Dagmar:

Add literally any other task and the quality is going to suffer

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

but the 733 xbox would be much better?

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kormoc_:

LoF^[Lawbringer], commflagging, transcoding, dvd burning, opengl menus...

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ivor:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: if it's an epia-m then you'll be able to playback sdtv without too much trouble. it's pushing it to do the backend on the same box.

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Tanthrix:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: Seriously. Get another system. I've thrown away systems worse that what you have at work. You could probably find something better for free with a bit of dumpster diving.

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Dagmar:

At least commflagging and decoding wouldn't be likely to screwup something not running a frontend

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Dagmar:

s/decoding/transcoding/;

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Dagmar:

...although transcoding on a <1Ghz machine would take ages

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Dagmar:

I have a 3200+ that can't transcode at better than realtime with the settings I use

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

Tanthrix, shutup.. it's using still moden purchasable part with a retail of over Â£500

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

i've thrown P4's away too but you really don't have a clue about the via epia range

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Dagmar:

Dude this is why I suggested getting something used

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Dagmar:

You should be able to find a machine in the 1.8Ghz range used for $100 although you might need to add RAM and more disks

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fryfrog:

a 733mhz xbox wouldn't be doing any recording, nor would it be read/writing from its disk anyway

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Tanthrix:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: My apologies for giving you an honest recommendation. I was seemingly under the mistaken impression that you don't like to waste your time on a fool's errand.

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fryfrog:

the epia-m boxes used to be good SD front ends, now there is just better stuff for the same price or less

[23:07:36]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

i have a few decent machines kicking around that not my issue the system i build was the most powerfull that i could at the time with 0 fans

[23:07:38]

Dagmar:

Yep

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: how long does it take you to backup a dvd to 'good' if you have done it?

[23:07:46]

Dagmar:

It would make a damn nice service firewall tho

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fryfrog:

so you already *have* an epia-m?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

yes i purchased it early last year

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Dagmar:

xzcvczx: I've never bothered

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fryfrog:

so what is the worry?

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fryfrog:

you just really want to run a be/fe combo on it?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

well the cards i purchased aren't supported.. i swear they were a year ago, so i need to get new one's

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Dagmar:

It's not really worth my time to backup a DVD to a disk

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Dagmar:

...not when the transcoding is definitely going to take all night

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

i was just wondering if i'd gain an advantage by getting onboard decoder ones

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fryfrog:

you mean like a pvr150/250 vs... a bitbagner like the bttv?

[23:09:49]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

yep

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fryfrog:

for sure

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Dagmar:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: It's more a matter of the utility of the machine varies in direct proportion to the amount of raw computing power you throw at it

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fryfrog:

i'd bet that if you don't do any commflagging or transcoding, you could use it as a fe/be

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Dagmar:

THis is what would be considered a low-latency application.

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Dagmar:

You don't want the thing spanking around doing some other task when the one you're watching is in progress

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fryfrog:

but you'd *have* to use an mpeg2 card like the pvr150

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fryfrog:

jd86: do you have *that* dir mounted on this FE?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

nah it's going to be a totally dedicated box

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: i just find it a lot more convinent to have all my movies easily accessible on my hdd than having to find my dvds which normally get very scratched very quickly all the time

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fryfrog:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: the only thing that would bring a little epia-m down or might be lacking would be running commflagging and/or transcoding

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fryfrog:

it'd never keep up

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jd86:

fryfrog, I didn't before, then the message was the same with RingBuf(//) instead. I'll unmount them anywho i don't want that... just trying

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fryfrog:

i imagine that *playback* on an epia-m uses up a lot of the cpu (80–100%?) leaving no extra for commercial flagging or transcoding

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

well i'm not familier with the two terms so umm i haven't got a clue if i'll need to do it

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fryfrog:

you'd probably want to nice -n 19 the mythfilldatabase

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

ahhh

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fryfrog:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: "commflagging" is exactly what it sounds like, flagging commercials

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ivor:

fryfrog: about 10% with mpeg2

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

and i guess i can live without commflagging

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jd86:

fryfrog, heh what distro?

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fryfrog:

just switched to Ubuntu Feisty Fawn, haven't tried xvmc in it yet though

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fryfrog:

compiling svn-fixes

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jd86:

because I think some of them messes stuff up (reading on some wiki) although you probably know about that better than I.

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fryfrog:

yeah, i'm pretty sure that ./configure wasn't finding the right nvidia xvmc stuff

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jd86:

I gotta go. I guess I'll work on the can't watch recordings thing later. And I thought this was going to be quick.

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fryfrog:

but i never could figure out how to fix it

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jd86:

yeah, mine doesn't seem to be finding nvidia just the general librarys installed by gentoo.

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jd86:

I never worked on it though

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

well to paraphrase " i woudn't trust anything i could stick up my nose" and " dual tuners suck"

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ivor:

that's why I wouldn't bother using one for anything but a plain frontend. too much hassle.

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fryfrog:

wtf, who would say dual tuners suck?

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fryfrog:

the PVR500 is literally just 2 pvr150s on one card

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

issues with some sort of support or driver i guess

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

ouch the PVR-500 isn't cheap

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

the nova-t is a budget card isn't it

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ivor:

indeed. but if you want to use the epia hw decoder for low cpu playback... you don't need anything more than a budget card.

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fryfrog:

sorry, i dunno any other besides pvr500 :(

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

this is whats confusing me how many hardware decoders do i need ;)

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fryfrog:

*decoder* is for playback (video card)

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fryfrog:

*encoder* is what turns the tv into mpeg2 (on hardware, so it doesn't use cpu)

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fryfrog:

and not using cpu will make your epia-m much easier to work with

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fryfrog:

ie, you'll be able to run commflagging and transcoding at nice 19 and get stuff done

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Full-featured_Card

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ivor:

the 150 is for analogue TV reception. the nova-t is for digital tv reception.

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gbee:

the PVR is an analogue card, the Nova-T is digital

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gbee:

snap

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ivor:

:)

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

now i'm confussed as hell

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gbee:

digital doesn't require any encoding

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

ok i'm totally digital

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ivor:

right. you want a digital card. :)

[23:25:54]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

i got this

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

i got 2x ads-tech ptv-337-ef which i now find out are unsupported

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gbee:

digital effectively means Freeview in the UK

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

all digital cards will be budget cards then

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Ribs:

freeview is also known as DVB-T

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Ribs:

well, the system freeview uses is DVB-T

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

gbee, i haven't done anal in a while, yes i aware ot the term DVB-t

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

so the fact that i'm not encoding will help my poor little Epia

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

it's got a decoder on the way out so this is good too

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gbee:

I picked up a Nova-T 500 (dual tuner) for £55 last month

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

question when would i transcode to mp4 when i have a mpeg-2 decoder and might struggle without the decoder

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ivor:

gbee: nice. is that retail or ebay?

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xzcvczx:

is there a command to reread the partition table?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

gbee, i head that the nova-t 500 had issues with reseting

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gbee:

not cheap but much less than any of the PVR- retail for

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gbee:

ivor: retail, ebuyer

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gbee:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: not if you don't use active EIT scanning

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

ahh

[23:30:38]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

ok so i could do this

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

i just down wanna spend another chunk of money to get something else that doesn't work

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gbee:

in the 5 weeks I've had it, it's only suffered the USB disconnect problem twice and both times while using LiveTV

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

still i guess that at some point they may solevthat driver bug

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gbee:

if you don't use livetv much (or at all) then you'll probably never see the problem

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ivor:

gbee: oh you got the usb version, rather than PCI. any reason? (or just lack of slots)

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gbee:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: yeah, they are working on it

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ivor:

finger hovering over the "buy" icon on ebuyer. :)

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

well i think that the system may change my viewing habbit's so it's are to tell

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

Ivor hope thats not the last one

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gbee:

ivor: no pci version (although that's just a USB hub with two usb devices bolted on)

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

is there any DVB-T dual PCI cards?

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gbee:

price on the PCI version may have gone back up since I bought it

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ivor:

really? so that: http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/113946 needs the USB drivers??

[23:34:57]

gbee:

yep

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ivor:

weird.

[23:35:11]

gbee:

2.6.20 should work fine

[23:35:17]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

WTF

[23:35:27]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

it's internal usb on a pci card

[23:35:40]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

still i'm going to get one

[23:35:41]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

:)

[23:36:22]

ivor:

meh, so now I need to compile usb support into my kernel. sigh. that'll add kilobytes. :)

[23:36:27]

gbee:

dvb_usb_dib0700 <= is the required driver/module

[23:38:03]

gbee:

ivor: it was 47.21 ex vat when I bought it, so it's actually gone down a whole 45p

[23:38:17]

gbee:

got free delivery on it, which helped

[23:39:04]

gbee:

even now, with 'Super Saver' delivery it's just £56.56

[23:39:23]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

when would i transcode to mp4 when i have a mpeg-2 decoder and might struggle without the decoder

[23:40:35]

gbee:

I wouldn't bother transcoding – the space you gain isn't really worth it

[23:40:56]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

which also helps out my other issues

[23:41:10]

gbee:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: yeah, decoding mp4 requires more CPU

[23:41:28]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

so the epia m6000 should be too bad if i stick to dvb-t and mpeg-2

[23:41:28]

xzcvczx:

i only have kept 1 thing as mpeg2 and that was an iso image as its hilarious as its an interactive porn dvd

[23:41:32]

gbee:

and transcoding to mp4 requires more, so it's a lose-lose

[23:42:00]

ivor:

xzcvczx: !

[23:42:16]

xzcvczx:

ivor: what?

[23:44:26]

ivor:

xzcvczx: well you've got to explain, in what way is it hilarious

[23:44:31]

xzcvczx:

this is just starting to annoy me now..... /dev/sdb1 keeps coming up as device or resource busy yet lsof returns nothing for it

[23:44:45]

LoF^[Lawbringer]:

how can i tell what format some current encoded TV is?

[23:45:11]

xzcvczx:

ivor: well it sort of starts and its jsut fully menu based and you choose like what you want her to masturbate with and you just went you want her to orgasm and stuff

[23:45:12]

ivor:

usually the easiest way is to run it through mplayer and see what it says

[23:45:41]

xzcvczx:

ivor: check out www.sintecdvd.com i think is who makes it

[23:45:47]

gbee:

modprobe dvb_usb_dib0700 force_lna_activation=1

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gbee:

ffmpeg -i filename

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

ok bed for me me but i think i'll grab a nova-t card tomorrow

[23:52:39]

sivel27:

hello all

[23:54:52]

sivel27:

i have a pvr150 mce kit with a usb-ir transmitter, and was wondering if it is possible to use the ir transmitter remotely. by that i mean if im on the frontend on my laptop, is it possible to use the lappy keyboard to change the channel via the backend ir?

[23:56:13]

xris:

sivel27: that's sort of how it's supposed to work.

[23:56:20]

xris:

transmitter plugs into the backend, though

[23:56:24]

sivel27:

yes

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sivel27:

now, haveing said that, am i supposed to create a script and use it as a "external-channel-chanigng argument in the mythtv-setup?

[23:57:50]

xris:

yes

[23:58:08]

xris:

mythtv doesn't actually interact with the ir blaster.. just calls a script with the channel number as the argument.

[23:58:44]

sivel27:

any idea of where one could find pre-made scripts? i have no clue how to go about coding something like that

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