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Sunday, April 15th, 2007, 00:02 UTC

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Zombie:

I have an issue. My MythTV Box is not doing Cable correctly. It is acting in standard UHF/VHF mode.

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kormoc:

Zombie, now, to answer your question, in mythtv-setup, make sure the cable type is set to us-cable (or cable-us)

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Zombie:

us-cable.

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kormoc:

and you're sure yours is set to that?

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Zombie:

I'm not sure.

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Zombie:

hold on.

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achew22:

kormoc, I have a quick gentoo question do you mind answering it?

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kormoc:

shoot

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achew22:

A package is blocking xfce's install but I did an emerge -C on it and its not emerged any more

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achew22:

its still blocking it

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achew22:

I think it just didn't get removed from the index or something, so i was wondering if you knew where the index was kept?

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kormoc:

typically /var/db/pkg

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achew22:

okay... its not in there...

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Zombie:

Works.

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achew22:

is there a text file listing the installed programs? I seem to remember someone pointing me to it but I don't remember where it was

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kormoc:

you could always just search /var for the text string of the package

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achew22:

kormoc, but I don't know what it is, the package isn't installed

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kormoc:

if you don't even know the name of the package you are searching for, you have real problems

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nasa:

Hi guys, had an *interesting* talk with the guys at comcast today.... Trying to get a box with firewire enabled. When I call, get the typical rep (what's firewire?). After a little banter, I tire and ask for her supervisor. Supervisor: "I don't know much about firewire, but what I do know is that we don't have to enable it"

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kormoc:

nasa, there's a link to the FCC requirements that you can quote to them on the wiki under the firewire node

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achew22:

kormoc, I realized how dumb the question is when I asked

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nasa:

I tried to point him to the link from the wiki... but the site seems to be down. Foruntely I had a copy in my cache.

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achew22:

nasa, yeah its quite easy to strike the fear of the FCC into their hearts

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achew22:

nasa, call em up again with a notecard with all the info of the page on screen so that you can quote it verbatim

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nasa:

Supervisor said he couldn't do anything about it and would pass it up his chain... (yeah right, I am holding my breath)

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jonty_:

Does a mythbackend *have* to have a card configured to work? I'd like to run transcoding jobs on my server box, but I don't want to put a capture card in it really.

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kormoc:

nasa, there's been people who have had to take them to court to get it enabled

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nasa:

I actually emailed him the pdf.

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achew22:

nasa, you in the US?

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nasa:

Yeah

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opello:

must be pretty easy for the judge

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xris:

nasa: you have HD?

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opello:

"hey look, here's a law that they're not following"

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xris:

opello: problem is that "big companies move slowly" and it could take them "a couple of years" to comply

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nasa:

xris: I have a 3250HD box — HD works over the component output....

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kormoc:

opello, aye, and you can win court costs as well

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kormoc:

nasa, and you have a HD subscription, right?

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achew22:

opello, but they have to weigh the constitutionality of the law if you get high enough on the chain of judge command

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** nasa doesn't think he could do that.... **

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xris:

nasa: just checking. there've been a few people who try without the hd subscription.

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nasa:

kormoc: yeah

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opello:

well, if one person has taken it to court and won, there's caselaw to point at too

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xris:

nasa: small claims court is easy enough to do.

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opello:

but in small claims that doesn't matter :)

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opello:

(afaik, ianal, etc)

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kormoc:

nasa, just keep calling back if you don't want to sue, eventually they'll get moving on it

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** nasa works for the government.... **

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achew22:

opello, they will be compelled to do it if they are taken to court and loose

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opello:

nasa: memo: to fcc, see: my cable co; go nuts? :)

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kormoc:

opello, sure it does, if not, you can typically sue them for some damnages, say the entire cost of your cable subscription... free tv for the win!

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opello:

heh

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achew22:

kormoc, wouldn't I love to see the check from that... I'd frame it

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** nasa might have to look into it the court thing... (he may make threats first) **

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xris:

nasa: threats about the attorney general can be helpful

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xris:

ask for their address, names, etc. so you can cc them the letter.

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xris:

opello: it's never a good idea to threaten a lawsuit against a big company like that unless you really mean to go through with it.

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xris:

the attorney general letter thing is much better, since it's something you can easily do.

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nasa:

I wonder if a wiki page on this would be useful?

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kormoc:

feel free to extend the fcc entry

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nasa:

kormoc: you mean the section at the end of the firewire discussion?

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

that's where people are porinted to most often

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nasa:

So when dealing with the cable scum, we have 3 choices — let your dollars do the talking, file a complaint, small claims court, and something with the AG.

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xris:

nasa: AG is there to handle lawsuits for consumers... they were all big players in getting mail in rebate stuff straightened out, etc.

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xris:

they won't do anything specifically for you, but will keep track of your complaint and investigate if/when they get enough info.

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Zombie:

Can MythTV master DVDs??

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xris:

Zombie: mytharchive plugin can

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nasa:

Ok, added those hints to the bottom of the firewire wiki page....

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xris:

Zombie: that could be it, yes.

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Zombie:

Does it interconnect with the MythTV interface?

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kormoc:

yes, it's a mythplugin

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Zombie:

How do I use it?

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kormoc:

why don't you install it and try it and see

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Zombie:

I have.

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kormoc:

well, if you have questions, it would help to ask *specific* questions rather then general ones

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sandeen_:

longshot, but does the backend grok quotas? on xfs I can set quotas on directory trees, to limit, say, video/ to 160G... but I wonder if myth can cope

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sandeen_:

or does the backend only understand total disk space available, deleting old files based on that...

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** Tanthrix is so excited and he just can't hide it **

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_Sam--:

this may sound like a stupid question, but what is the easiest way to playback encrypted DVDs?

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_Sam--:

ive installed libdvdcss and still no luck? is there any kind of how to

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Smirnov:

short attention span eh

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, seems like it.

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Tanthrix:

xris: I just ordered a Sharp Aquos, and it has a built in QAM tuner so I'll be able to see what I can get with it before purchasing an HD-5500 card.

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xris:

nice

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xris:

expensive way around getting a tuner card, though. lol

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

Now comes the unbearable wait until it's delivered

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Kritter:

anyone know a way around the missing tcmplex problem for nuvexport given that mytharchive pukes on me?

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Pool34:

hello?

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kormoc:

Pool34, we can hear you loud and clear...

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tripppy:

QAM tuner?

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation

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Pool34:

hi

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Pool34:

could I ask a for a little help?

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kormoc:

no, but you can just ask your question and see if people can answer

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Kritter:

state your problem if you are lucky someone or many someones may throw ideas at you.

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Pool34:

luckily.. that is my version of help :)

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Tanthrix:

Be nice guys – politeness should not be treated so.

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Tanthrix:

Better than "Myth isn't working, somebodyu fix it!" ;)

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, true, but really, asking to ask isn't much better :P

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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kormoc:

cause if it was a problem to ask, asking to ask would be a problem too, so might as well ask right out

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Pool34:

I have the ip correct

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Pool34:

I can't figure out the problem

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Tanthrix:

tripppy: That wikipedia article is a bit technical, but basically it's the way digital channels are transmitted via cable, including HD stuff

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Kritter:

sounds like you bought a slave'd system, and he kept the master?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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kormoc:

Pool34, did you try asking him?

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Pool34:

no it is not a slave... I am sure of that

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Pool34:

or.. it was not a slave

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kormoc:

or his DHCP lease at home is a different ip then the one set as master in mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

So it's running the backend and the database?

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Pool34:

yes

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Dagmar:

Call him up.

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Dagmar:

He did something stupid when ge configured it

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Pool34:

hmm... well why does it work when it is disconnected to the internet?

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Dagmar:

That's definitely a "machine can't find ass with both hands" kind of problem

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kormoc:

Pool34, how do you mean connected to the internet?

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kormoc:

Pool34, and what exactly is throwing the error?

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Dagmar:

"disconnected to" makes no sense

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kormoc:

and really, you should call him, get your money's worth from him

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Kritter:

not to be an ass, but what works and what doesn't when it has an internet connection and when it doesn't.

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Tanthrix:

Pool34: What IP do you have myth set to use?

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Pool34:

Ok, I do not have a master server error when the ethernet cable is unplugged. When the ethernet cable is plugged in, I get an error.

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Dagmar:

This means he configured it stupidly.

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Pool34:

ok

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kormoc:

yeah...

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Pool34:

Well, would it be a hassle to reconfigure it?

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kormoc:

not really

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kormoc:

run mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

If you know what you're doing, no.

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Pool34:

hmm

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kormoc:

and it's all in the general settings section

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Pool34:

could I get some documentation on that?

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Pool34:

or something

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Dagmar:

...but it sounds like when it's being supplied with a nameserver that lookups on the name localhost fail.

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kormoc:

there's docs on www.mythtv.org or wiki.mythtv.org

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Pool34:

I have ran mythtv-setup before... it seems pretty straightforward..

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Dagmar:

This *should not* be possible if the machine is configured correctly.

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Dagmar:

it's running Gentoo, isn't it.

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Pool34:

no

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Pool34:

mythdora

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Tanthrix:

Seems like it should be set to localhost or 127.0.0.1 instead of whatever it's setup to now.

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Dagmar:

Should be set to "localhost"., not 127.0.0.1

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kormoc:

but in anycase, really, you should talk to him, you paid him, he should support you

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Pool34:

i have tried setting it to 127.0.0.1 not localhost though

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Dagmar:

Well, I don't know about support, but he should definitely be responsible for making sure it works correctly.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, actually master IP is a IP field not a hostname

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Pool34:

right now i set it to it's ip in my network.

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kormoc:

that should be fine

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Dagmar:

kormoc: I'm well aware it doesn't affect the frontend finding the backend, but it will *break* most single machine configurations with respect to things talking to the database.

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kormoc:

Dagmar, and it does sometimes break the frontend when it's a hostname, depending on changes

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kormoc:

0.19 was a majorly rocky ride for that, and the official answer was, we don't test hostnames in that field, so don't do it

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Pool34:

hmm

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Pool34:

so in mythtv-setup

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Pool34:

i should set the ip

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Pool34:

to localhost?

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kormoc:

127.0.0.1

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Pool34:

oh ok

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kormoc:

and then restart the backend (or just reboot)

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Pool34:

what should it be in setup via the mythtv program itself?

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kormoc:

hrm?

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kormoc:

what do you mean by that?

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Pool34:

in mythtv

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Pool34:

you can go to settings

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kormoc:

in the frontend, hostname should be localhost, yes

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kormoc:

the user interface is the frontend, the backend is the server, and the data is stored in a mysql database

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kormoc:

the backend and the frontend together make up mythtv, so saying just mythtv isn't really specifying things

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Pool34:

wow.. idk know what just happened on the box.. it's like the colors are inverted.. acting weird

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Pool34:

REBOOT!!

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Pool34:

hmm

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Pool34:

umm

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Pool34:

weird

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Pool34:

anyhow

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Pool34:

I will try setting the ip

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Pool34:

different

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Pool34:

to 127.0.0.1

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Dagmar:

Pool34: To stop you from confusing people further, please go read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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hads:

Enter is not an accepted form of punctuation.

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Dagmar:

This will be much easier if you actually know what the various parts involved are.

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Pool34:

okay

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Tanthrix:

hads: Ha!

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, me as well. I was just thinking that actually.

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Pool34:

Thank you for your help, one last thing, when I get done in the set-up it says "Path /mnt/store/ doesn't exist."

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Pool34:

Is that a problem?

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kormoc:

well, it won't record video

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Pool34:

ok

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Pool34:

fine for now

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Pool34:

if i can just get this working

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kormoc:

can't watch live tv eather

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Pool34:

hmm

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Pool34:

ok

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kormoc:

live tv is recorded same as recordings

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hads:

So you can't so a lot really. You will need to fix that.

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Pool34:

let me just see if it comes up with this error, then I will go read up on that

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Pool34:

I would call up the guy, except it is late here. Tomorrow I guess

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Pool34:

hmm

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Pool34:

Darn, still the same error about not being able to connect to the master server.

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kormoc:

is the master server even running

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Tanthrix:

Pool34: And you're sure the backend is actually running/

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kormoc:

ps ax | grep backend

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Pool34:

hmm

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Pool34:

ok

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Pool34:

wow

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Pool34:

It is not running

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kormoc:

it takes talent to screw a prebuilt distro this much

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Pool34:

i guess I should start it then?

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kormoc:

yes

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Pool34:

do i start "mythbackend" with any options?

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kormoc:

use a init.d script

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kormoc:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend start

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hads:

Assuming it's a sysv init system. Which is a relatively safe assumtion.

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kormoc:

hads, he said it was mythdora :P

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hads:

Ah. I'm hungover and not paying attention :)

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Pool34:

ok

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Pool34:

well, great... i don't have permission.. although i'm root.

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Pool34:

this is now gettting deeper

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Pool34:

than just mythtv

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scant:

how many FM radio plugins are there?

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kormoc:

0

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Pool34:

was that question to me?

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scant:

kormoc: 0?

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kormoc:

scant, yeah, there's a few unoffical ones, but as far as I know, they're all for old versions (0.18 or below) and thus don't work

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scant:

0 for .20?

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kormoc:

if you don't believe me, feel free to google

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hads:

Think I found a bug in the import dvd screen

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scant:

kormoc: do you have a FM tuner?

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kormoc:

used to

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Tanthrix:

FM radio is dead. Long live FM radio!

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Pool34:

oh, gosh.. I am too tired to mess with this...

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Pool34:

rebooted.. didn't help

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scant:

kormoc: do you know of any FM radio linux apps?

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Tanthrix:

Ooo, new Doctor Who.

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Pool34:

Tanthrix: really, the new episodes are airing now?

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kormoc:

scant, radio comes with xawtv, and there's a few others. KDE has one I believe, as does gnome

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kormoc:

Pool34, in the uk

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kormoc:

scant, really, google would know more

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Pool34:

kormoc: awesome... didn't know the new season started yet.

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Tanthrix:

Pool34: On BBC One, not the SF chhanel

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Tanthrix:

Pool34: On the third ep now of Season 3.

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Pool34:

Tanthrix: great. of course not SF channel :P

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Tanthrix:

I wish I could get BBC One here in the states. I've got "BBC America" but there's generally nothing but old Benny Hill stuff on there.

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Pool34:

do you know why it would not let me start the backend?

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hads:

Pool34: There should be something in the log

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Pool34:

ok.. I am too tired for this right nowt

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Pool34:

thank you all for the help

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone know if I'd achieve better analog cable broadcast quality if I used an Hauppauge PVR-500 compared to say an HD card like the pcHDTV HD-5500?

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, typically, yes, and also the HD's analog tuners are bttv based and will eat cpu cycles

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah, I'm thinking I just need to let my wallet take the hit and get the 500, even though I've already spent $250 on the HD-5500's (got 2 of em)

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EnderTheThird:

:-/

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Pool34:

i've got the error to go away..

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Pool34:

backend would not start because i had the recording path in a folder that was not there

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EnderTheThird:

Pool34: Check the recording path that's entered for mythtv-setup?

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Pool34:

yea

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Pool34:

i fixed it now

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Pool34:

just saying, that was the problem

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EnderTheThird:

Oh, got ya. Cool

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mzb:

Hi all. I've managed to get backand and frontend (almost) working on two separate machines, but I'm having problems with disk space on the backend ... is there a way of disabling or minimising disk usage?

[05:55:20]

mzb:

(disabling recording that is)

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kormoc:

mzb, no... why would you want to use myth with out recording?

[05:55:27]

mzb:

heh

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EnderTheThird:

mzb: I think there's a way to set how long it keeps live-tv recordings in mythtv-setup

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kormoc:

given the design of myth is everything is recorded, even live tv

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mzb:

because at the moment the 2x250 and 2x60GB disks are busy (this is on a xen-server)

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EnderTheThird:

you could also change recording profiles (especially for live-tv) so it takes less space

[05:56:34]

EnderTheThird:

What are your guys' thoughts on a mouse/keyboard setup for this? Would you recommend Gyration?

[05:57:03]

kormoc:

EnderTheThird, I love my MS MCE keyboard

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mzb:

EnderTheThird: that would probably do the trick (for the moment), I'll see if I can find the setting

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Solv:

i'm experiencing the same issue...and i can launch mplayer, but then i don't get the awesome menu interaction and identical remote functions as when watching the tv...also it makes it hard to convinvce the wife to use it instead of messing around with the playstation ona different input

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EnderTheThird:

Needs to be wireless and small (no numpad)

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, it's wireless and small

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EnderTheThird:

mzb: Thanks. I kinda like they Gyro mouse, especially because I'm not sure if I can keep my Wiimote syncing with Linux instead of jumping over to my Wii if I use it in the living room, heh.

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kormoc:

http://www.ptme.ch/images/zubehoer/mce_keyboard_500.jpg

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EnderTheThird:

Oooh, I've seen that one. Very nice. Pricey though?

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, has a remote integrated into it (same as the MCE remote, so one config and it all works), and has a simple on/off button

[05:59:22]

kormoc:

not too bad actually, but I can't quote the price, been too long sense I looked

[05:59:32]

kormoc:

the receiver you get also doubles as a ir blaster

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EnderTheThird:

Most of my MythTV usage will be via my Logitech Harmony.

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EnderTheThird:

Keyboard/Mouse are mostly for non-MythTV functions that I'd like to use occasionally

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kormoc:

with the mcekeyboard, and the lirc_mod_mce driver, only issue is it will not do bios or grub, but outside of that, it works fine

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mzb:

nope. can't find it *sigh* ... might have to spend a few days burning off before I can watch TV :(

[06:01:00]

mzb:

so if (say) I had 100GB free ... what is to stop myth from filling that?

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kormoc:

nothing other then the 'Leave X gigs free' config option

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mzb:

heh, cool, where is that?

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kormoc:

mythtv-setup I believe

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mzb:

I haven't found it

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mzb:

isn't there a way where I can edit/find all these settings on a command line?

[06:02:09]

kormoc:

then it's in the frontend's settings

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kormoc:

you can view them via mysql

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kormoc:

in the settings table

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mzb:

k, thx

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kormoc:

but it's not very descriptive

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Pool34:

ok.. now.. no "can't find master server" crap

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Pool34:

but it will not show tv!?!?!?

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mzb:

dm, a lot easier than using ssh forwarding to wade through setup ;)

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Pool34:

will have to keep messing with ti

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mzb:

thx kormoc

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Pool34:

I need to isolate the problem

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EnderTheThird:

Wow, buy.com sure has gone down the shitter. I don't know how people navigate this site!

[06:04:24]

Pool34:

When I go to "Watch TV" it's all black..

[06:04:33]

Pool34:

is this a specific sign?

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kormoc:

Pool34, check the backend logs

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kormoc:

not really

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Pool34:

ok

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pat_:

anybody know a source of the sky navigator or similar remote in .au (http://www.beststuff.co.uk/sky_navigator.htm)

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mzb:

only thing I can find is HDRingbufferSize

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mzb:

(currently on 9400)

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mzb:

maybe I'd better free up 10GB or so and try again. thx all for assistance

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mzb:

aha ... found hint in the logs: free space is too low (have 244 MBytes free , but want 3105 MBytes)

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Pool34:

ok... i think I am going to give upp

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Pool34:

should the "Port the server shows status on" and the "port the master server runs on" be the same?

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kormoc:

no

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Pool34:

what problem would that cause?

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Pool34:

because.. they were

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kormoc:

uhh, could cause a lot of issues

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kormoc:

mzb, find the setting?

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mzb:

kormoc: no ... no luck ... just going through a few lvm volumes to see what I can get rid of

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mzb:

3GB shouldn't be too difficult ;)

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mzb:

# lvdisplay -C | wc -l

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mzb:

161

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Solv:

does anyone know the lirc config command to tell mplayer to change audio track/language?

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Pool34:

grrr

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Pool34:

everytime i fix something, it breaks another, I will read tomorrow

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kormoc:

mythfrontend -> Settings -> Setup -> Tv Settings -> General -> Page 2 -> Extra Disk Space (in Gigabytes)

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mzb:

aha ... thx

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kormoc:

Pool34, sad :/

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Pool34:

thank you again

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Pool34:

bye

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mzb:

kormoc: I assume those settings are for the frontend only ... no such options in setup for backend only config

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kormoc:

they affect any backend on the same host as the frontend

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mzb:

heh ... so I now need a frontend on the backend too?

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mzb:

just to change the space setting? :))

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kormoc:

or just set it in the DB

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mzb:

sounds a bit back-to-front ;)

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kormoc:

setting AutoExpireExtraSpace I believe

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mzb:

ah, thx

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mzb:

I'll search for that

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mzb:

value=1 hostname=NULL

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

let me check some more...

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kormoc:

it's that setting

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kormoc:

I change it on my frontend, it's what changes in the db

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mzb:

(didn't get around to deleting the originals)

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mzb:

so doesn't a setting of "1" imply that it _will_ cleanup+delete old recordings? What interests me is the 3105MB mentioned in the logs

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kormoc:

1 is that it will autoexpire when it hits 1 or less gb free

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mzb:

but shouldn't matter ... creating 32GB lvm volume for it now

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mzb:

aha

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kormoc:

I donno where that 3105mb is from

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mzb:

I get you

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kormoc:

I set mine to 21, and that setting was the only one that changed to 21, same with 22 and 23

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kormoc:

so I think it's safe to say, it's the correct setting

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EnderTheThird:

I went with the Gyration kb&m in case anyone was dying to know ;-)

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EnderTheThird:

I finally found a place that had it in stock so I figured why not.

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mzb:

thx kormoc: will keep that setting in mind when I get this working (booting with 32GB data now)

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mzb:

ok, so that'll give me a bit more time to play ;)

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mzb:

back to the original problem now ... I'm using a kworld dvb-t usb2 box, and experiments with playing the streams with mplayer have resulted in really poor audio quality (with ringing sound) ... but no such problems with playing the same stream in xine

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mzb:

I can't seem to get into a setting anywhere to change the playback to use xine ... any hints?

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kormoc:

myth has it's own playback engine that uses libavcodec, and you can't change it (for tv)

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rokstar:

Quick Q: is there are good reference on the wiki site on how to get two different types of input on the same tuner card to work in the watch tv section?

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rokstar:

like say, cable line, and composite?

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rokstar:

anyone home?

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rokstar:

:(

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mzb:

kormoc: ok, then I need to tackle the problem head-on rather than by avoiding it ;)

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mzb:

found the settings menu ... just very slow to respond

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mzb:

kormoc: default video player is set to mplayer, but you're saying it doesn't use that for streams? hmmm

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kormoc:

that's only for mythvideo

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kormoc:

not for tv

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EnderTheThird:

Any help on getting the gnome-panel to disappear when running mythfrontend and Beryl?

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Dagmar:

Don't run it.

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EnderTheThird:

Heh

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Dagmar:

...or actually configure it to auto-hide.

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EnderTheThird:

Well then how the hell am I supposed to impress all the ladies when I "spin my cube" while we're watching TV?

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Dagmar:

Basically, don't complain when you've got something configured to fight to stay at the top level of the root window and it does so.

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Dagmar:

You definitely have to configure it to go away, or just stop running it.

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EnderTheThird:

Got ya. I've just been reverting to Metacity when running the frontend. Thanks.

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kormoc:

EnderTheThird, to impress the ladies, you need to actually have some around first :P

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Dagmar:

...alternatively, you can run a piece of electrical tape across the bottom of the screen

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EnderTheThird:

Funny guy, funny guy ;-)

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EnderTheThird:

Dagmar: You, sir, are a genius.

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Dagmar:

EnderTheThird: I woudln't even bother iwth that much. If you're using this thing kiosk fashion, just dump metacity and everything else and use blackbox/fluxbox.

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Dagmar:

Hey, it worked for emissions testing on my vehicle this morning.

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Dagmar:

No more blinky light to confuse the emissions testers.

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EnderTheThird:

Ha!

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Dagmar:

You dont' even need a window manager unless you're calling external programs

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EnderTheThird:

Well this is my main backend/frontend/desktop right now. I doubt I'll run Beryl on my frontend in the living room.

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Dagmar:

That's probably for the beest

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Dagmar:

It ain't super stable yte

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EnderTheThird:

I'll still use that frontend for occasional desktop use

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Dagmar:

i gotta find a more reliable way of testing for the database being completely up

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Dagmar:

My init script actually pings the damn thing before it starts the backend, but apparently that's *not* a thorough enough test.

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EnderTheThird:

Now I just need to get my frontend to stop borking display after initial install

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hads:

SELECT NOW() or something?

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Dagmar:

I'm a little irked by that, to say the least, since this is the fourth time I've tried something different

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hads:

SELECT 1; would do even I guess

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Dagmar:

hads: Yeah, I think I'm pretty much going to have to make the damn init script make a query of the table

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hads:

That's about the only way to be fully sure I guess.

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kormoc:

SELECT COUNT(1) FROM table; is the traditional way to make sure a table is access-able

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navreet:

I have a question about the backend/frontend CPU power

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** Dagmar writes that down **

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navreet:

which needs to be more powerful?

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Dagmar:

Backend

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Dagmar:

Well, maybe

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kormoc:

depends on what you are doing

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navreet:

doesn't the frontend handle decoding?

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navreet:

HDTV video

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Dagmar:

If you're using a framegrabber card, juski kills kittens

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Dagmar:

If you're doing HD, then you need plenny of power for the frontend

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navreet:

what if I want to do commercial detection in HD?

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hads:

kormoc: Cool. That would make more sense if you were testing for a specific table.

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navreet:

then I need power for backend, right?

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navreet:

lets say if I start watching an hour long show, 1/2 hour in

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Dagmar:

Commercial detection finishes when it damn well feels like being done

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navreet:

would the commercial detection work well?

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Dagmar:

You don't really need a lot of CPU power for it

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tripppy:

VLC channel on IRC?

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navreet:

Dagmar, does the show have to end before that happens?

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kormoc:

navreet, commdetection is done once per recording, and so if it's done when you start, it'll work fine, else it won't

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EnderTheThird:

Commercial detection waits until the recording completes, at least by default, doesn't it?

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hads:

There's a setting

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kormoc:

if you're watching realtime, typically commflagging won't work

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Dagmar:

navreet: UNless you tell it otherwise. You probably dont' want it starting up immediately, since even a 2ghz box tends to be able to scan for commercials faster htan realtime

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kormoc:

as you are watching the commerical before it gets to the end of it and can be flagged

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Dagmar:

Simpler and less askin' for trouble to let it finish recording a program and then do commflagging

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Dagmar:

COmmflagging is rather fast anyway.

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Dagmar:

I think my box is taking maybe 8 minutes to scan an hour broadcast or something

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navreet:

Dagmar, HD?

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navreet:

Dagmar, what are your CPU specs?

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Dagmar:

3200+, 512Mb RAM

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navreet:

HD?

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Dagmar:

No, SD.

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Dagmar:

If it matters that much to you, multiply the numbers by 4 to get 1080

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EnderTheThird:

Bad thing about watching reruns late at night: you remember what a show was like before it jumped the shark

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EnderTheThird:

How long has it taken most of you guys to set up your MythTV setup?

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hads:

Interesting; http://www.turboajax.com/products/turbodbadmin/

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kormoc:

looks snazzier then phpmyadmin

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azaghal:

Hello, people. Before starting to read wikis and google like mad, I wanted to check one thing: is it possible to setup MythTV to work on a single computer as some kind of daemon or something like that (ie not to build a fully dedicated MythTV station, but only have it resident on a single machine and access the MythTV's interface via web interface or something similar)?

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kormoc:

possible, sure, what you want, perhaps... perhaps not

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hads:

kormoc: Yeah, doesn't it.

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azaghal:

Well, I want to work on this computer as well, not to build a dedicated MythTV station, and I don't want it to be overly intrusive (I'd like to avoid that full-screen MythTV interface if possible).

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kormoc:

azaghal, mythfrontend can run in a window as well if you'd perfer

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azaghal:

Ok, thanks, I'm off to read some wikis ;)

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hads:

kormoc: The demo seems a bit slow, could be the server it's on though.

[07:27:20]

kormoc:

yeah

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EnderTheThird:

after I get lirc to recognize remote commands, how do I set it up to actually work with MythTV?

[07:30:58]

EnderTheThird:

the lirc howto at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty doesn't say anything

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LoneShadow:

anyone using logitech harmony ?

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EnderTheThird:

LoneShadow: I will be, but I haven't set it up yet.

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LoneShadow:

was hoping I dont have to program mine :P

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EnderTheThird:

You might be able to just tell it you're using a regular media center remote (MCE)

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EnderTheThird:

I'm not sure quite yet though.

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LoneShadow:

I have a logitech cordless keyboard/mouse

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EnderTheThird:

Should be a good start if you set up lirc with mceusb

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LoneShadow:

I am trying to use the IR recv for the remote as well

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LoneShadow:

should work

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EnderTheThird:

Heh, I just need a separate m&kb for my other frontend. taking this one back and forth is getting old. 3–5 business days, *sigh*

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pat_:

shrug, my frontend runs minimyth and only has a remote plugged in

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EnderTheThird:

My frontend will be used for more than just TV though

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EnderTheThird:

or at least I like the option of IM and having a full-fledged computer there

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone able to get the Logitech Harmony software working on Linux?

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EnderTheThird:

I've never tried, but I didn't dual boot when I built this computer, heh

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galorin:

got a problem with mysql after repeated power cuts last night. I try to start it, and it fails, when starting mysqld I get "[ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Incorrect file format 'host'"

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jvs:

g'day

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pat_:

oi

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juski:

so go use sagetv then!

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sid3windr:

damn, and a sagetv media extender is quite cheap :p

[09:33:03]

sid3windr:

then again, so is an xbox1 with myth

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sid3windr:

and I only have 1 tv anyways. :P

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juski:

with mythstreamtv you can do placeshifting too

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juski:

but not with live streams

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sid3windr:

OH

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sid3windr:

ah.

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sid3windr:

because that was just what I needed ;)

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juski:

well, that kind of lame (imho) stuff is gonna come to mythweb eventually

[09:34:46]

juski:

I really don't see why placeshifting gets people wetting their pants

[09:35:14]

sid3windr:

yes, well, it's not because you don't/won't/can't use it, noone will/wants to/can

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juski:

it can't be all that good with the majority of home broadband connections

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** sid3windr 'd even placeshift inside his own home **

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juski:

how many people have the kind of upload bandwidth you need for it to be reasonable quality at full screen sizes?

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Dagmar:

People in the Bay Area

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Dagmar:

:)

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sid3windr:

people in europe ;>

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Dagmar:

We were getting half a T1 for $140/month

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juski:

sid3windr: mythtv already has client/server functionality anyway. my frontend doesn't have any tuners... or HDDs

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Dagmar:

...and there's people in Seoul

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sid3windr:

half a T1, auch :/

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Dagmar:

sid3winder: Half a T1, dedicated to us. 10 Ips.

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sid3windr:

juski: neither does mine, but without a windows frontend this isn't helping

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Dagmar:

Oh, and *we* were the abuse contact for that netblock. :)

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juski:

sid3windr: moan, whine.. windows frontend

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: 20Mbit down, 2 up – 128 ip's, 59.95 eur/mo

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sid3windr:

juski: exactly :)

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juski:

if you have a windows machine connected to your TV you need your priorities checking

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Dagmar:

sid3winder: So what happens when someone complains you're attacking them?

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: I get an email, as the ip's are on my name

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Dagmar:

...and are you *allowed* to run servers off that

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sid3windr:

I was going to to a basic livetv frontend in java but the protocol docs are definitely lacking

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sid3windr:

juski: I don't, but I do watch tv on other things than a tv

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sid3windr:

I only have 1 tv, btw, and it's got a mythfrontend hooked up to it ;)

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juski:

sid3windr: so just look at the xbmcmythtv scripts – they provide enough to go on

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sid3windr:

yesh, I haven't put too much time into it yet due to lack of it, but it's still in the planning :)

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Dagmar:

Either way, the class of service we were getting for $140/month was well worth it.

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sid3windr:

thanks for the pointer though, hopefully that'll save me a bit of .c source scoring

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Dagmar:

If Comcast would actually follow through, I'd pay more just to be able to talk straight to their NOC people when something goes wrong.

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: yes, but half of a T1 isn't enough for good livetv viewing is it?

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sid3windr:

juski: yes, I love it!

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sid3windr:

juski: reading source code != protocol documentation

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sid3windr:

reverse engineering an open source program is just ridiculous

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juski:

sid3windr: pardon the developers for not making your life easy

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Dagmar:

sid3winder: 768K would do an SD stream fine, afaik

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juski:

the devs have lives too

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juski:

I know there's always scope for stuff to be better/easier/whatever, but when you get stuff for free & you've not lifted a finger it's my view you have NO right to reply

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Dagmar:

I'd just like to see well-commented code

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sid3windr:

comments are for pussies!

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sid3windr:

docs are useless!

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Dagmar:

Comments are for people who don't like being stabbed to death.

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Dagmar:

...and they're good for code.

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sid3windr:

apparently juski isn't of the same opinion :)

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juski:

most of the mythtv code I've seen is very well commented

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sid3windr:

anyway, eod, I don't have any right to reply

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Dagmar:

I can't help but think that the transcoder profiles wouldn't be so hideously painted in to a freaking corner if someone had just documented a few idle thoughts about how it's supposed to work when that section got started on

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juski:

if you want the status quo to change, all you have to do is start advocating development stops while people take time to document what they're doing in their code.

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Dagmar:

God forbid anyone change their tuner card type to one that does mpeg4 and then try to transcode something through the frontend

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Dagmar:

juski: Lack of commented code increases the bus factor massively.

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juski:

Dagmar: I heard transcoding to mpeg2 is on the cards, so that's gonna have to be cleaned up

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Dagmar:

juski: This particular issue is *ugly* so it'll take some explaining

[09:46:58]

Dagmar:

I ran into it because I had (in what I considerd to be a very sensible manner) renamed the transcoder groups on my machine to something more explanatory...

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juski:

I know the jist of what's wrong.. stuff being hard coded in places & not in others

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Dagmar:

I made "High Quality" into "Lossless", "Medium Quality" into "Lossy XviD", and the Low Quality one to I don't remember what (it's not important)

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Dagmar:

Then I noticed in the frontend when I was viewing a video and told it to start transcoding, it would say "High Quality", etc *still*

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Dagmar:

It's better than just hard-coded.

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Dagmar:

From what it looks like, a very newbish DB mistake was made

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Dagmar:

Looks like when the first transcoding groups were set up, something got hardwired into mythtranscode for those six or so profiles

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Dagmar:

Instead of fixing that, when the next type of compressed video input was added, instead of fixing it, they just added *another* six profiles to that table

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Dagmar:

So that now we're up to like 36 entries, just "Autodetect" through "Low Quality" over and over.

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juski:

when it comes to the protocol stuff, maybe instead of just moaning there's FA documentation folks could pose questions to developers about the intricacies of the information already available & _help_ remedy the situation

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Dagmar:

I get the feeling from looking at this that if you were to change your tuner card type from one to another, mythtranscode would just shatter because it would be expecting an mpg2 file and be getting handed an nuv file, etc etc

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juski:

most likely

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Dagmar:

I just got lucky that after renaming the transcoder profiles the thing fell back to the default of Lossless.

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Dagmar:

...because it's definitely calling for them _by name_ instead of even by their key number in the table

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Dagmar:

Once I got that far I just had to back off even trying to fix it

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juski:

maybe doing away with tuner transcoder profiles & moving to a 'recorded format' column in the database would solve it in one easy swoop

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and maybe giving some people a db theory book from ORA for their birthday. Heh

[09:53:13]

Dagmar:

Well, the _from_ shoudln't really matter.

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juski:

yeah well it was just a thought

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Dagmar:

If the file can be played at all, the code should be able to figure out *what* it is

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Dagmar:

All that should really matter should be the output format

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juski:

yeah true

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juski:

I'd just assumed that was the case anyway

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Dagmar:

...although there would be utility in having different source profiles because of the issue with some signals coming in with CC noise on the first raster, etc etc

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Dagmar:

No the way it works now is it makes an ugly assumption based on what the tuner card is

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juski:

heh, well maybe that'd help fix the issue where mpeg2-mpeg2 transcoding is broken for HD

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Dagmar:

I'd just like to mention that this kind of painting into corners is far from rare.

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Dagmar:

I ain't blamin' anyone for making that mistake

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juski:

maybe we should be advocating a complete freeze til a lot of stuff is cleaned up, then

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Dagmar:

Most people avoid that sort of thing either by dumb luck, by having sat through a class or three on database construction, or by being *incredibly* far-sighted in their code design

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Dagmar:

I don't think freezing really would help.

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Dagmar:

The other reason I backed slowly away from the problem is that I can't see *any* way to fix the issue without breaking the hell out of people's database

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juski:

fork? :-P

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Dagmar:

Like, in theory, I could recode all that stuff in about a year or so so that it would work "properly", but I couldn't make it play well with what people have in their database for existing recordings

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Dagmar:

Maybe a fork to 2.x

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Dagmar:

THat kind of incompatibility with previous stuff would definitely be a major number change, IMHO

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juski:

I can't help naively thinking about the GUI stuff & wondering whether starting from scratch would be quicker & better in the long run... as with the port to qt4

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Dagmar:

Well, the backend I think could benefit from being just started anew

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Dagmar:

...although the frontend is probably in the same state

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Dagmar:

Mainly the GUI just needs to be shot and replaced with a new one

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juski:

anyway.. stuff to do.. bbl

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Dagmar:

I could be wrong, but I don't think the animation stuff is going to be fixable with the way the gui currently works

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Dagmar:

I kinda suck with Qt, so there might be a callback I'm overlooking

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Dagmar:

Jesus hard drive prices have just left Moore's Law spinning in a little cloud of dust

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hads:

visit0r: around?

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hads:

visit0r: Here's that patch I was talking about doing anyway; http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3313

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cybergyp1y:

morning all , i am trying to exclude programmes starting with "Sign Zone:" in the scheduler but havent managed it yet , any clues ? anyone else managed it ?

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visit0r:

hads: alright, yes, those functions should not be copied but maybe put them to imdbpy.py the first place and make find_meta.py use those, or even start a python "bindings" file which both the scripts use?

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hads:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.

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visit0r:

ok, I added the same comment to the ticket

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hads:

Cool. I think a general bindings file would be the better option. What do you think?

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visit0r:

I agree

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visit0r:

can be useful for (possible) future Python scripts

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hads:

Yeah

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visit0r:

but then that should be probably in mythtv/contrib

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hads:

Yeah, but it would need to be installed somewhere to be useful

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visit0r:

right..

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hads:

mythtv/bindings maybe

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visit0r:

yes

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hads:

Oh, what I meant by that comment was I don't know if anything from contrib is installed usually.

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hads:

Good point

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visit0r:

but the Perl ones don't seem to be either, so... maybe that's the correct place

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tatters:

I am having probs with Lircd,,.. I installed mythtv on Ubuntu fiesty , if I open terminal and press remote only the number key and volume key are recognised,,,also when I go through one of the howto and dpkg-reconfigure i already have a star in the driver section,,, does this mean it is already installed

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Dagmar:

Jesus does anyone know for SURE what 100% IRE is supposed to be?

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Saviq:

guys is it possible to play mpcs with myth?

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Saviq:

they didn't even show up in my music list :|

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Saviq:

mplayer plays them, almost... though

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Dagmar:

Then you have your answer

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Saviq:

that is?

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Dagmar:

No.

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Saviq:

thanks ;)

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Saviq:

recoding it is...

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Dagmar:

Wow I bet I could make the nVidia engineers go nuts chasing down the answer if i asked them about the IRE level output of the card

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hads:

But that's the only reference I've found to it.

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fl0w:

Godmornin' people!

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juski:

Dagmar: 700mV pk IIRC

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juski:

or rather, 700mv above black

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juski:

found a site that says 235 red, 235 green, 235 blue

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juski:

Proper black level is at 16 (Y').

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juski:

Proper white level is at 235 (Y').

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juski:

"Please note that the analog unit IRE does NOT apply to the digital domain"

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juski:

theoretically, a tv encoder shouldn't be capable of outputting signals that are too hot

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Dagmar:

Yeah, well, clearly my nVidia cards don't much care for that

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Dagmar:

I would have thought they'd compensate since NTSC-J and NTSC have different lower bounds (0, and 16 respectively)...

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Dagmar:

...but the ugly bruising on my TV is telling me otherwise

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juski:

I know from experience that a lot of tv-outs don't clip the black level

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Dagmar:

I should actually say, *two* different TVs and three different nVidia cards.

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Dagmar:

If I had a decent oscope at the house, I could check it that way

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Dagmar:

I probably should have just called Chad up yesterday over at the public access station and asked him about it

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Dagmar:

For awhile we were looking into moving from doing a radio show to doing a TV show, but we didn't like all the politics that were going on over there

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fl0w:

I have a question. Never used MythTV, but currently planing my shopping list. I'll have four room with tvs connected to a mythtv server. All four tvs are in different rooms spread on two levels. Could anybody recommend a device, a solutions that allows all TVs to be managed using a remote?

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Dagmar:

We were apparently the only group who ever showed up over there looking into doing a show that already knew how to work all the equipment. heh

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Dagmar:

What, like push a button to turn them all off?

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pat_:

fl0w: probably the easiest method is 4 identical netbooting minimyth frontends

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fl0w:

nah, switching channel, playing a recording etc. Ofcourse, i'll have four seperate tv tuners in the server ...

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pat_:

play the recording on all 4 at once with the press of one button?

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Dagmar:

I'm with pat_ on this one

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Dagmar:

If you don't feel like trying to build any transcievers, there's a couple of places in the wiki that tell where you can just buy 'em pre-made

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pat_:

I'm using an old dell sff box for the frontend in my bedroom

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fl0w:

ah..

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Dagmar:

...and you can almost certainly roll on over to your local Target or something and get a pile of semi-programmable PVR-style One4All remotes (mine is URC6131)

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pat_:

can highly recommend that solution

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fl0w:

pat_ that's something i'm looking for..

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pat_:

dell gx 260, 512mb ram, nvidia 5200 video, no drives and netboot

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gardengnome:

fl0w: do you want to manage four TV sets simultaneously using *one* remote?

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fl0w:

nah, four remotes

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pat_:

cheap as chips on ebay

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gardengnome:

ah, that's a bit easier then ;))

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Dagmar:

Yeah, you'll need to get four IR receivers then. One for each machine.

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Dagmar:

Don't even think you can use the IR port on the mainboard

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Dagmar:

99.9% of those are FIR/SIR which is simply *incapable* of being used for decoding IR remote signalling

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fl0w:

okey, I'm looking for a solution that pat_ mentioned .. I don't want my main computer as a front-end!

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pat_:

if you are lucky when you buy your four tuners, they'll all come with servicable usb remotes

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pat_:

(that's where I've got my two remotes)

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Dagmar:

I would kinda suggest getting two PVR-500's if you're doing HD

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Dagmar:

PCI only gets 4 IRQs

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: HD?

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Dagmar:

...and one of those usually goes to the AGP port as well

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Dagmar:

bleh typo

[11:41:12]

Dagmar:

I mean Sd

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pat_:

country is also important

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pat_:

capturing from cable/dvb-t etc.

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Dibblah:

PCI _usually_ only gets 4 IRQLs. But with bridges, all bets are off.

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Dagmar:

If you wind up with something trying to share the IRQ a tuner card is using, things can/will get ugly

[11:41:58]

fl0w:

I think i've missunderstood this all a bit, I've been reading up but never tried mythtv since i haven't bought the hardware yet :) four tvs need four tuners, but doesn't all of them go in the mythtv server?

[11:42:05]

fl0w:

gonna look up PVR-500?

[11:42:10]

fl0w:

.. ! not an ?

[11:42:19]

pat_:

pvr-500 have two tuners on one card

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Dagmar:

fl0w: Well, what tuner card you get is mainly controlled by what kinda signal you're looking to pick up

[11:42:59]

pat_:

yeah, that goes in the server (backend) sometimes cards come with usb ir receivers and decent remotes

[11:43:08]

Dagmar:

If you've got "regular old" NTSC cable, then any of the PVR-xx0 cards will be yer thing

[11:43:21]

Dagmar:

fl0w: Read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

[11:43:27]

Dibblah:

And 500s are recommended for use with VIA / other cheap motherboards.

[11:43:29]

Dagmar:

fl0w: That will explain what pieces of hardware go with what pieces of software

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fl0w:

Dagmar, thanks!

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Dagmar:

Well, I don't know about recommending them with VIA

[11:43:46]

fl0w:

Also, I'm on PAL :P

[11:43:54]

anykey_:

Dibblah: they don't work good with via...

[11:43:58]

Dagmar:

They work with *most* VIA, but like teh ASUS A8V--no way in hell

[11:44:19]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure there's PAL versions of those cards

[11:44:21]

Dibblah:

(The PCI bridge isolates the crap firmware on the 150 from the crap PCI implementation)

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k-man:

hello

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pat_:

fl0w: analogue or digital, satellite or cable or terrestrial?

[11:44:41]

Dagmar:

If you were going for QAM (digital cable) or ATSC (over the air digial) you'd need a different kind of carcd

[11:44:59]

Dibblah:

"PAL" or "NTSC" is only a tuner difference. All the rest of the hardware is the same on the 150/500/...

[11:45:16]

fl0w:

cable, digital

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Dagmar:

k-man; Because it's probably broken

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k-man:

Dagmar, how can i fix it then?

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juski:

ffmpeg – try that

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** pat_ does the "everything is finally backed up after 3 years of only having raid 1" dance **

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pat_:

w00t!

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Dagmar:

k-man: Use something like t@b in Windows (since we can be pretty sure it's got the codec) to transcode it back to a semi-sane state

[11:46:24]

k-man:

Dagmar, ok

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Dagmar:

I say this carefully not mentioning the HELL you can get into with some of the other transcoders

[11:47:13]

anykey_:

fl0w: cable, digital, encrypted?

[11:47:41]

Dagmar:

t@B was the first one I've come across that didn't do strange and obnoxious things

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k-man:

is there some tool I could test the file with under linux?

[11:47:42]

juski:

k-man: ffmpeg -i $filename

[11:47:42]

Dagmar:

k-man: Other than mplayer, not really

[11:47:42]

Dibblah:

k-man: Define "won't play"?

[11:47:46]

Dagmar:

Well, ffmpeg like juski suggested will work as well

[11:48:00]

Dibblah:

k-man: file <file> might also help.

[11:48:05]

k-man:

Dibblah, screen goes black for a few seconds, then dumbs me back into mythvideo

[11:48:22]

k-man:

gspot, under windows, says it is an mpeg-2 file

[11:48:41]

fl0w:

anykey_, not currently, but maybe that could be a good thing to invest on..

[11:49:01]

pat_:

simple question, the file has the correct permissions for mythtv to access it? That is what happened to me when I didn't have the correct permissions on a file a while ago

[11:49:07]

Dibblah:

mythtv -v all <file>

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anykey_:

fl0w: you want to get a DVB-C card then I think, get one with an optional CAS

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k-man:

what type of file should i output it to using ffmeg?

[11:49:46]

k-man:

pat_, ill check

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Dagmar:

Whatever sounds the most boring

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Dagmar:

XviD would probably be good

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fl0w:

Is it possible to combine the database- and the backendserver?

[11:50:30]

Dagmar:

*not* DV

[11:50:40]

Dagmar:

fl0w: Yes, all three pieces can be run on one box. Finish reading the page

[11:51:01]

Dagmar:

"These can all run on a single machine (provided you have the 1.2Ghz or so of CPU power) or on separate machines,"

[11:52:53]

Dagmar:

It's still freaking me out that 500Gb drives are now at the cost of what 250Gb drives were at Christmas

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pat_:

AU$185

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pat_:

cheap

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Dagmar:

Time to short-sell some HD manufacturer stock

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Dibblah:

Time to buy some! After all, they have to go back up sometime! ;)

[11:55:17]

tatters:

Been following aome howto for lirc and "sudo m-a update,prepare" gives me command not found ...do I need to install something to get this to run?

[11:55:22]

pat_:

wife has given approval for "as many as you can fit in a case" once we have the roof replaced on our house

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Dagmar:

I'll hold off until the Q1 reports come out before considerng that

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Dibblah:

pat_: The answer to that is ~12 in a standard tower PC.

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Dagmar:

heh

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pat_:

(by that time we'll probably be talking 1 GB drives)

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Dibblah:

But what do you neet 6Tb for? ;)

[11:56:28]

gardengnome:

Dibblah: "the internet is for porn"

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pat_:

HDTV?

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pat_:

she likes to have about 4 months of everything she could possibly want to ever watch

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Dibblah:

Uhuh. Because you'll really be able to store HDTV on your own hard drive in a few years ;)

[11:57:06]

Dagmar:

6Tb is a *lot* of poron

[11:57:18]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: the internet is huge

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Dibblah:

"enough" I think is the word you're searching for.

[11:57:37]

Dagmar:

Yes, but there's only so many hours in the day you can watch pron without your hands turning into little claws

[11:59:15]

Dagmar:

6Tb would be a stack of DVDs about as tall as the average pron starlet, I suspect

[12:00:06]

Dagmar:

DL DVDs if she's doing a shoot

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Dagmar:

;)

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pat_:

anyway, I think she thought I'd only be able to fit about 6 into one case

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visit0r:

hads: looks good

[12:12:40]

hads:

visit0r: Cheers. There's a debug print statement left in there accidentially.

[12:12:51]

hads:

Oops

[12:13:12]

visit0r:

hads: also attach a version of imdbpy and find_meta which use that class then Anduin can apply it?

[12:13:58]

hads:

visit0r: Sure. I guess we could just leave the mythtv.py in the mythvideo scripts directory for the time being.

[12:14:14]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: that'd give you a 20 metre tall porn actrice.

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pat_:

gardengnome: someone had to go there...

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hads:

I will create a version of find_meta.py and imdb.py and upload them there tomorrow. I must go to bed now :)

[12:15:32]

Dagmar:

gardengnome: I was under the impression DVDs were about a mm thick

[12:15:46]

Dagmar:

Either way, I got no problem with a 20m tall actress

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: oh, well, i assumed those DVDs were in cases

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Dagmar:

That's only six and a half feet tall

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visit0r:

hads: yes

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Dagmar:

I'm also assuming you meant decimeters.

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Dagmar:

You'd have to take out a loan to get that many jewel cases

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: decimeters? nope

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gardengnome:

if a DVD was just one centimeter, it'd be more like four feet

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gardengnome:

anyways. ;)

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Dagmar:

6Tb =~ 1,307 DVDs

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Dagmar:

Either way it's still probably too much porn

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gardengnome:

1275 DVDs according to my calculations. i used ~ 5588 GiB for the disk space and 4.38GiB for my calculations

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gardengnome:

true

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juski:

uh-oh

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Dagmar:

So you like pickin' flowers, eh?

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juski:

not sure about the hanging round in bars but I'm new to the game ;)

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H0rb0rt:

can anyone help me on how to get strted with mythtv

[13:39:52]

fryfrog:

read some docs!

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fryfrog:

always a good place to start :)

[13:40:04]

H0rb0rt:

is there a a hompage?

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fryfrog:

sure, mythtv.org

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fryfrog:

and the wiki is ummm

[13:40:31]

fryfrog:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/

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H0rb0rt:

rthanx fryfrog

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Dagmar:

God one of these days I'm going to acutally do an edit to the wiki 100% correctly the first time

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Dagmar:

Added new "colors, colors, and fewer colors" to the Theme development guide

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H0rb0rt:

couls someone tell me what "mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql" should do, it says the file does not exist.

[13:48:13]

H0rb0rt:

shouldn't it make the database?

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Dagmar:

Well, if /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql doesn't exist, then /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql doesn't exist.

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Dagmar:

It means the person who made your binary packages is a bit of a tard, or they've set something up to already create the table

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H0rb0rt:

ok, Dagmar, but what should the command do, it's from the mythtv documentation

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Dagmar:

It should do exactly what the documentation says it's supposed to do.

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H0rb0rt:

it sets up the initial database, since it is intial, it shouldn't be there already, should it?

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Dagmar:

Not generally, no.

[13:50:19]

H0rb0rt:

then why should the file already exist?

[13:50:37]

Dagmar:

Because clearly you don't know which is the pointy end of a unix command.

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H0rb0rt:

its an input command

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H0rb0rt:

i've seen it in java before

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Dagmar:

The "<" makes it take input *from* the filename that comes after it.

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H0rb0rt:

the, where/how should I get/amke the file?

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Dagmar:

/usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql is a mysql script

[13:51:49]

Dagmar:

It *should* have been installed when MythTV was installed

[13:52:25]

Dagmar:

If you installed it yourself, take your hand and place it firmly in the middle of your forehead and say "Oy, vey!" as you retype the line with "/usr/local/share" instead of "/usr/share"

[13:52:54]

Dagmar:

*where* the file lands is dictated by the --prefix= setting at compile time

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Dagmar:

It's not really a hideous mistake to make, so no worries.

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H0rb0rt:

I installed it using a repo, not using a tar.gz

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Dagmar:

OKay, so find who made that binary package, and maybe apply the back of your hand to the side of their cheek a few times, saying "You fool! Look what you have done!"

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H0rb0rt:

I'll try that, thanx

[13:54:42]

H0rb0rt:

(hmmm, the guy is named herbert...)

[13:54:47]

Dagmar:

...or cross your fingers and type `find /usr /etc -name mc.sql` and see if it maybe finds it stuffed somewhere it probably shouldn't have been.

[13:55:10]

H0rb0rt:

hey, taht's a good one

[13:55:26]

Dagmar:

The install target of the makefiles definitely puts the db creation script into the filesystem

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Dagmar:

...so it not being there after mythtv was installed is definitely an err.

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H0rb0rt:

it worked, thanx

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Dagmar:

No problem.

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H0rb0rt:

it was in /usr/share/doc/packages/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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Dagmar:

God that is definitely a crazy place

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H0rb0rt:

it makes me think, I once had to do this school project, it was a softwarwe development project, and there were this guys from another school and they did, well, made api's and stuff

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

You might want to email that guy and point out to him that mc.sql is *not* documentation

[13:59:14]

H0rb0rt:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

It is entirely correct for it to be where the Makefile tries to put it, according to the FHS

[13:59:16]

H0rb0rt:

I know

[13:59:36]

Dagmar:

...otherwise I'd have filed a ticket and a patch on it by now.

[13:59:42]

H0rb0rt:

well, maybe I shouldn't have had my fingers crossed.

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Dagmar:

<-- makes binary packages for Slackware

[14:00:08]

Dagmar:

<-- has unpleasant dreams about filesystem contents occasionally.

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H0rb0rt:

haha, don't be a ...

[14:00:33]

H0rb0rt:

how are those guys called again

[14:00:37]

H0rb0rt:

oh tech supporter

[14:00:45]

Dagmar:

I'm not joking about the dreams.

[14:00:51]

H0rb0rt:

they have to see bad porn all the time.

[14:01:10]

Dagmar:

I spend probably more time banging on package building scripts than I do *using* about half the software I have

[14:01:34]

H0rb0rt:

yes, but does it affect your sleep?

[14:01:38]

Dagmar:

So like, 90% of the filesystem is pretty much forever committed to memory by now.

[14:02:11]

Dagmar:

I was a little pissed last month because I had to check a particular package to make sure nothing got put in the right place, and I'd already dreamt I'd done it.

[14:02:20]

Dagmar:

er s/right/wrong/;

[14:02:35]

Dagmar:

Kind of like dreaming you won the lottery, and then waking up and feeling ripped off.

[14:03:12]

H0rb0rt:

I understand, you have problems when other people do things wrong and you cant change it (no offence, that is a good thing somehow).

[14:03:25]

Dagmar:

I can't?

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Dagmar:

Maybe with Windows...

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H0rb0rt:

:p

[14:04:03]

Dagmar:

I have yet to hit something I couldn't sort out and just chuck a patch at the developers/maintainers under Linux

[14:04:48]

Dagmar:

Well, *most* of the time I remember to send them a patch

[14:04:49]

H0rb0rt:

I always use violence on my keyboard when I am angry.

[14:05:13]

Dagmar:

There's a way to stop that, you know.

[14:05:21]

Dagmar:

Spend $80 on a Logitech G15 keyboard.

[14:05:21]

H0rb0rt:

:p

[14:05:36]

H0rb0rt:

hmm, I have a $14....

[14:05:42]

H0rb0rt:

with laptop like keys

[14:05:57]

H0rb0rt:

I once saw this guy who modded his keyboard

[14:06:11]

H0rb0rt:

he had a typewriter and made some awesome ibm keyboard of it

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Dagmar:

Yowch

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H0rb0rt:

it was like a typewriter keyboard, but I think it wont type confertable.

[14:06:34]

Dagmar:

Dude, I average about 110wpm when I'm properly caffienated.

[14:06:49]

H0rb0rt:

you shoulkd watch than

[14:06:56]

Dagmar:

Something like that would result in me shattering my nails, or the neighbors possibly calling the police

[14:07:09]

H0rb0rt:

I know this guy, he worked in this data input center, had to input data all day.

[14:07:14]

H0rb0rt:

He can type incredibly fast.

[14:07:25]

Dagmar:

I've just been at this since I was about 11.

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H0rb0rt:

he can type ten times faster than he normally does, but he stops himself from doing so.

[14:08:12]

H0rb0rt:

because at one moment he got this thing in his hand, somthing with the muscles probably

[14:08:24]

H0rb0rt:

and it hurted so mutch, that he had to stop.

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Dagmar:

I can't see the sense in that unless he's been listening to some of the crazy people who were teaching touch typing when I was in college...

[14:08:42]

H0rb0rt:

but still, as he types today, it like asljfgasdc and he wrote another centance.

[14:08:46]

Dagmar:

Nutjobs telling people to rest their wrists on the pad below the keyboard.

[14:09:02]

H0rb0rt:

pfff

[14:09:06]

H0rb0rt:

hate those guys

[14:09:12]

H0rb0rt:

I'm still doing college....

[14:09:13]

Dagmar:

Holding the wrists so rigidly is basically what causes RSI.

[14:09:17]

Dagmar:

I type like freakin' Liberache

[14:09:38]

H0rb0rt:

I have workrave, never lissin to it though

[14:09:50]

H0rb0rt:

anyway, do you iknow green's theorem?

[14:09:58]

H0rb0rt:

about the integrals?

[14:10:03]

Dagmar:

The prof I had for touch typing (yes, I'm an asshole for taking that as an elective) in college threatened to fail me because I ignored her about the home row stuff.

[14:10:57]

Dagmar:

I do now.

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H0rb0rt:

:p

[14:11:37]

Dagmar:

What? Google is there to be *used*. ;)

[14:12:09]

Dagmar:

I've found uses for pretty much all the stuff I learned in college, but pretty much none of it for the things they intended me to.

[14:12:29]

H0rb0rt:

yes, but all the texts i've read about the theorem, they dont make sense to me.

[14:12:39]

Dagmar:

All that trigonometry and calculus and statistics just gets used for surface plotting and tree optimization

[14:12:54]

Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: http://www.attewode.com/Calculus/AreaMeasurement/area.htm seems pretty readable to me.

[14:13:07]

Dagmar:

...at least it's readable for advanced calculus

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H0rb0rt:

thanx

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H0rb0rt:

I dono what to think of calculus, I'm doing math and computer science, but somputer science is a lot more interesting.

[14:15:03]

H0rb0rt:

(im in my first year only.)

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juski:

calculus sucks

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juski:

integration & differentiation were fine for me til laplace transforms got involved

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H0rb0rt:

:p

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H0rb0rt:

is lapalce the guy with all the jacobian stuff?

[14:17:12]

juski:

I don't care

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H0rb0rt:

I have this test tommorow :p

[14:17:48]

juski:

I was lumbered with it at college & decided the maths was going way above my head – called it a day

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H0rb0rt:

been studieing all week :p

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juski:

they were having us just memorise stuff – to me that's not really learning

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H0rb0rt:

formula's?

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EnderTheThird:

for Zap2It, in the URL: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/GridA . . . ;channel=8.1 stnNum=19592 would be the XMLTV ID, right?

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Dagmar:

Well, most of it is just walking you through how the hell they got there in the first place, and then letting you use the shortcut method

[14:19:34]

Dagmar:

They walk you through it in hopes that just MAYBE, someday you'll come up with another shortcut that other people can use

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Dagmar:

EnderTheThird: Could be

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juski:

my argument is that you don't need to know how an internal combustion engine works in order to drive a car

[14:19:53]

EnderTheThird:

Because Myth doesn't pull down enough listings when I enter that manually for a few of my stations that Zap2It doesn't list specifically for the DT/HD channel

[14:20:16]

Dagmar:

Indirect object overflow.

[14:20:29]

EnderTheThird:

And it doesn't match like that for stations that automatically entered the XMLTV ID from Z2I

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Dagmar:

juski: I have yet to see someone say "Prove Laplace's Theorem" on an exam

[14:20:35]

Dagmar:

That would just be cruel

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H0rb0rt:

they did on mine.

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Dagmar:

Although I did get a little freaked out before my second calc final and kinda prove sin() to be sure I hadn't fucked it all up.

[14:21:16]

juski:

I'm pretty good at solving practical problems but maths just looks like martian to me

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Dagmar:

The prof gave me extra points out of sympathy I think

[14:21:40]

Dagmar:

The whole back of the second page had tiny little scribblings about u and v on it

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H0rb0rt:

:p

[14:22:17]

Dagmar:

I'm good with geometry, but since I use computers, I need a pocket calculator to add triple digit numbers together accurately.

[14:22:42]

H0rb0rt:

we have all the proofs given in the book

[14:22:44]

a1fa:

technologic

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Dagmar:

...and the cops can just FORGET me reciting the alphabet backwards, skipping every third letter.

[14:23:40]

H0rb0rt:

dagmar, do you know why my mythtv still knws it cant find the database...

[14:23:57]

juski:

the whole point in engineering – the point most courses seem to miss is that research is everything – you shouldn't need to have to remember pissy stuff

[14:23:59]

Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: did you run the command to feed mc.sql to the mythtv binary?

[14:24:26]

H0rb0rt:

if it is in the doc I did.

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Dagmar:

juski: My second calc/trig prof had the attitude that people who try to remember the pissy stuff build bridges that fall into the drink

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Dagmar:

H0rb0rt: It's the command that we were talking about that you didn't quite grok. If you did it then you should have a /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg directory with a buncha files in it now

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H0rb0rt:

I did it

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, pastebin.ca the exact error message you're getting

[14:26:11]

H0rb0rt:

when I cd to the dir it says acces denied

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H0rb0rt:

(oh :p i'm not root)

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H0rb0rt:

there's one file db.opt

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Dagmar:

Then you didn't run the command as root like you were supposed to, or it gave an error message and you ignored it

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H0rb0rt:

http://pastebin.ca/441100

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H0rb0rt:

hmm

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H0rb0rt:

let me do it again as a root

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juski:

eek! just read that my themes & videos are eating 50 to 55GB a month bandwidth!

[14:31:43]

juski:

ffs! :D

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Dagmar:

Out of what, 2tb?

[14:32:18]

juski:

that's a lot of downloads whichever way you look at it

[14:32:31]

Zider:

indeed

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Zider:

need a mirror?

[14:32:45]

Dagmar:

Maybe I should switch that file monitor to using HEAD checks every hour then

[14:32:50]

juski:

nah it's no problem for now

[14:32:51]

Dagmar:

*snicker*

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Zider:

juski: well you know where to ask if you need it :)

[14:33:35]

Dagmar:

Yes sir... themes really pay heed to overscan

[14:33:36]

juski:

cheers Zider :)

[14:33:38]

Dagmar:

http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/screen.png

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juski:

whose theme is that based on then?

[14:35:47]

Dagmar:

That's just MythCenter with a font replacement at the moment

[14:36:06]

Dagmar:

Pretty much none of the 4:3 themes pay heed to overscan

[14:36:54]

juski:

well I needn't worry about my 4:3 themes anymore :)

[14:36:58]

Dagmar:

I just did that to show how badly some people's picture is going to wind up if they assume the program guide isn't supposed to slide off the edges of the screen

[14:37:51]

Dagmar:

BTW, I have *no* idea where that 1px black border is coming from. :/

[14:38:22]

Dagmar:

I *think* it might be Inkscape having done something stupid with alpha channels

[14:40:18]

Law:

hello, can anyone point me in the right direction for a driver for ADS-tech ptv-337-ef i have had no luck finding one

[14:48:17]

pat_:

Law: my google-fu isn't that good, I'd need to know which chipset it uses

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pat_:

Law: plug it in and get some more info to search on with lsusb

[14:49:46]

** pat_ sleeps **

[14:57:12]

Law:

pat_, i've opened it up got a total listing of chipsets

[14:57:19]

Law:

mt352 for encoding

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Law:

I think i'm making headway, mt352 is a module as standard

[14:58:41]

Law:

the USB driver is cy7c68013a

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Law:

so if i can get a driver for that i think i may be alright

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Law:

but i may be way off base

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brad2008:

Anyone here think they can help me with some issues I'm having getting my dvb card ready

[15:08:09]

Dagmar:

Yeah, now i see why no one changes the program guide stuff

[15:08:52]

Dagmar:

If I could just change the direction from origin in Inkscape...

[15:08:54]

brad2008:

why it crashes

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hound:

Dagmar, what's the direction from origin?

[15:10:46]

Dagmar:

Y-axis is completely reversed

[15:10:56]

Dagmar:

I *think* I just figured out a way to cheat it

[15:11:30]

brad2008:

What are you trying to cheat

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Dagmar:

Nope, nevermind that made it even more screwed up

[15:12:58]

Dagmar:

I had a broken flash of inspiration to change the origin offset

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Dagmar:

Hmmm... *However*...

[15:15:50]

juski:

man it's too damn hot today to be doing frickin DIY stuff

[15:16:15]

gardengnome:

juski: it's too damn hot to do anything.

[15:16:23]

Dr_Willis:

it was snowing here yesterday

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gardengnome:

it's 25Â°C according to some web service

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pat_:

25, too damn hot?

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pat_:

that's when it is just starting to get warm enough

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juski:

I just put our ultrasonic pest scarer up on the wall :)

[15:18:46]

juski:

25'C is too hot to be doing anything other than laying on beach getting drunk

[15:19:16]

juski:

*a beach, even

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anykey_:

it's april, how should that go in july?

[15:21:30]

juski:

"phew, what a scorcher!" ? ;)

[15:21:49]

anykey_:

heh

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Dagmar:

Damn I don't want to be sending them an email saying "but it works in Windows" but I am a little suprised I can't invert the Y-axis in inkscape

[15:23:53]

Dagmar:

s/Windows/Illustrator & Corel/;

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gaspipe1:

greetz

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juski:

bo selecta!

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Law:

hey i could really do with a little help on getting this driver working for a PTV-337

[15:29:29]

Law:

uses a cy7c68013a and an mt352

[15:29:45]

Law:

tried IVTV but i'm a little most at this point

[15:31:40]

Dagmar:

Build the latest 2.6.20 kernel.

[15:31:48]

Dagmar:

Turn everything in the Video4Linux section on as modules.

[15:32:01]

Dagmar:

If the device doesn't "just work" after that, you're probably pretty screwed.

[15:32:35]

Dagmar:

I'm not finding crap about anyone using it under Linux

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gardengnome:

you could also build v4l-dvb from mercurial. chances are that someone got your device working in their private tree. you should search the linuxtv ailing list

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gardengnome:

mailing*

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gardengnome:

the "m" is stuck here :/

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Law:

i think i tried tha mailing list could see much

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juski:

try the proper IRC channel then – #linuxtv

[15:35:09]

Dagmar:

heh

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gardengnome:

juski: he already did.

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Law:

juski, i just logged into that after someone just gave me the heads up

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juski:

be patient & polite :)

[15:35:30]

gardengnome:

juski: like, two minutes after asking in here.

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** Law is a good boy and googled first ;D **

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** juski stands back in amazement **

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Law:

strange but true some peopel do

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juski:

I know. I did

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Dagmar:

All Googling that card seems to turn up is that it's euro

[15:38:27]

Law:

no i need to google getting the latest kernel fro ubuntu, i'm fairly new to debian systems

[15:39:48]

gardengnome:

ubuntu doesn't really provide major kernel updates after a release. you can try installing the feisty kernel, but i'm not sure if that's gonna work.

[15:40:15]

juski:

damn USB suppositories

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Law:

well i wanted a pci card but i also wanted dual tuners which at the time we not arround

[15:41:05]

Law:

man i really should have round to this a long time ago

[15:41:07]

juski:

still isn't around

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juski:

not for linux anyhow

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Dagmar:

What?

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Dagmar:

You must be talking about ATSC

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juski:

dual dvb-t tuners for linux? nah

[15:42:08]

juski:

oh wait there's the nova-t 500 but I'd not count that on account of it being reported as reliable

[15:42:14]

juski:

*unreliable

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Dagmar:

So, reliable by Gentoo standards, then.

[15:42:34]

gardengnome:

nice, that xbox HD drive is quite affordable

[15:43:41]

Law:

I was going to use gentoo for my mythbox but since it's a epia i just didn't want to spend 125 years building it

[15:44:11]

juski:

compile time pales into insignificance when you count tweaking & other setup stuff

[15:45:12]

Dagmar:

hah

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Law:

I like Gentoo, the idea is nice but it's just not practical for some of my applications

[15:45:52]

juski:

plus – while it's all building it's the perfect time to RTFM

[15:46:22]

Law:

well i have a asterisk gentoo box

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gardengnome:

juski: you can just watch the output of gcc.

[15:46:58]

Law:

but thats a REALLY old box took me 3 days to update world last time

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juski:

lesson to be learnt right there

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juski:

don't

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Law:

what don't ever update

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juski:

or maybe scratch that cos that's how I ended up falling out with gentoo

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juski:

fall too far behind updating portage & you get up shit creek without a boat nevermind a paddle

[15:49:46]

gardengnome:

true. i once went half a year without updating. procrastination sucks

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a1fa:

hi

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Dagmar:

Actually, trying to do this damn placement with the axis inverted is *just* annoying enough for me to resort to perl and XML::Simple

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hound:

Dagmar, I've been trying to figure out what your doing, are you loading some ui xml into inkscape somehow? or just using it as a guide to visualize things

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Dagmar:

Just using it as a placement guide

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Dagmar:

It would probably save a lot of headaches if people could just use an Inkscape template, move the rectangles where they want them, and then run a script to emit the appropriate fragment

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Dagmar:

Actual students of XML would probably want to stab me in the face for how I'm about to parse things tho

[16:05:30]

Dagmar:

I'm just going to walk through the whole data structure looking for objects with the right name applied.

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Dagmar:

It'll definitely less of a headache than inverting this crap as y minus far y minus height

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hound:

Dagmar, so the problem is the ruler/coords work from the bottom left? seems odd, if top left works scribus rulers are like that. could probably use gimp in that case though.

[16:16:11]

hound:

using the bottom left as 0,0. must make it easier to do graphing

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ilikeyourmoves:

Hi everybody

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biio:

hey, you guys probably get this question a hundred times each day, I'm trying to set up a htpc and thought mythtv would be the way to go, but now it seems its only used to record from tv and play those things. Is it that way or am I just getting this wrong?

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kormoc:

what else do you want?

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biio:

I just want to play the stuff I put there myself, not record at all

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kormoc:

well, there's mythvideo, but myth was designed to be a PVR first

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ilikeyourmoves:

I used ./configure --prefix=/usr/local just like I did for mythtv and myththemes — should I have used something else?

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biio:

kormoc: gonna look more into that, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

biilo: I use myth for recordings, videos, movies, dvd's etc etc

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GreyFoxx:

a full htpc

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GreyFoxx:

I've ripped most all of my DVD's to disk and play them via mythvideo

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ilikeyourmoves:

kormoc: when I configured mythplugins, it did say that mythmusic would be installed and the rest of the plugins all installed & showed up

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GreyFoxx:

which is really handy with a daughter who alwants wants to watch her shows and I don't have to hunt for the dvd or worry about it getting destroyed :)

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biio:

GreyFoxx: sounde good :)

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scurb:

If I run mythfrontend and mythbackend on the same machine, the sound lags too much.. it seems like myth always records the stream .. can one disable the "livetv" -function?

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kormoc:

you can just not watch it, but it will always record

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juski:

seems to be quite a groundswell of folks complaining about that lately

[16:43:06]

scurb:

ok.. the hardware I use is a 3GHz P4 with an old Hauppauge bt848-card..

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GreyFoxx:

scurb: Myth is a pvr, even livetv is recorded in "realtime"

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GreyFoxx:

the audio shouldn't be lagging though

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juski:

scurb: what you need to do is mute the soundcard input the tuner is looped into

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GreyFoxx:

You likely need to change your audio settings

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scurb:

ah, ok :)

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juski:

_the_ _manual_ tells you :)

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scurb:

i'm ashame ;)

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juski:

oo greyfoxx since you're here... gonna drop you a msg with a url if that's ok...

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

ok guys i've complied mercurial, what's next

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kormoc:

what is mercurial?

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scurb:

hehe.. I have a nice echo now :)

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juski:

kormoc: the Hg repository – a bit like CVS

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kormoc:

juski, huh, and by Hg? :P

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

so do i need to modprobe certain modules in?

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juski:

Hg is the Si symbol for mercury :)

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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hound:

LoF^[Lawbringer], what are you doing?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

trying to get my DVB card/s installed

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

it's not listed as supported so someone recommended use mercurial to get all the drivers

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

i've got the chip names for the USB controller and the encoder

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candyban:

Hi guys

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candyban:

Can anyone tell me which pointing devices are supported? (I would like an rf remote instead of an ir remote)

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a1fa:

ATI RF is supported

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

candyban, how the data gets to the box shouldn't matter it's down to the interface so LIRC is still what you nee

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juski:

mythtv doesn't support a mouse

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gbee:

not fully anyway

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

juski, umm it does i'm using one

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juski:

er.. you'll find not all screens work with a mouse, so :-P

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kormoc:

LoF^[Lawbringer], mouse support was added recently and isn't fully implemented

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

anyway this doesn't help in my quest to get my cards working

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gbee:

#3314 < err, I'm pretty sure that's been fixed already

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

does anyone have a scobby?

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** gbee goes to check **

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candyban:

LoF^[Lawbringer], I'm not yet familiar with lirc (haven't setup mythtv yet, currently using MS MCE) ... doing some reading ...

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candyban:

LoF^[Lawbringer], lirc is also used for rf remotes? (as the name stands for Linux INFRARED remote control)

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gbee:

lirc was originally written for IR remotes but support for some RF remotes was added later

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

gah even a make load all of the drivers doesn't seem to work

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

but i am getting something found in mythnow

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ilikeyourmoves:

dah, still no luck with mythmusic. Any thoughts on why the install appears to work successfully, but it doesn't appear in my menus?

[17:20:16]

ilikeyourmoves:

i'm compiling/installing from svn... everything else is perfect and the other plugins work fine

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hound:

ilikeyourmoves, did you check the files were being installed, do you see /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythmusic.so ?

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ilikeyourmoves:

let me see...

[17:30:14]

ilikeyourmoves:

Okay, I show that file in /mythtv/plugins along with archive, gallery, and phone

[17:33:31]

ilikeyourmoves:

does that help?

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hound:

Well rules out path installation problems, but no help for a solution. Don't know what else would keep it from working.

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ilikeyourmoves:

okay. I'll keep messing around :)

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gbee:

I assume someone has already pointed out this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/13/wd_av_hd/

[17:43:06]

gbee:

ilikeyourmoves: is this a new install, or are you updating?

[17:43:37]

ilikeyourmoves:

It's a fresh install

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gbee:

hmm, mythmusic is definately listed as enabled when you run configure?

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ilikeyourmoves:

yep: ./configure -> MythMusic plugin will be built

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gbee:

and svn mythtv was installed before you built the plugins?

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ilikeyourmoves:

yes

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ilikeyourmoves:

I installed svn mythtv and made sure everything was working there before moving on. then I compiled & installed themes, checked them, installed plugins, checked 'em

[17:46:34]

gbee:

odd

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juski:

gbee: yeah they've been trying to palm 'av' drives on the company I work for, for ages now

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gbee:

when you start mythfrontend, does it say anything in the log about being unable to load the plugin?

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ilikeyourmoves:

let me check

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juski:

it's basic marketing BS. they change the seek algorithms a bit & hey presto – another product line

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gbee:

yeah, guessed as much – I'll wait to see the pricing though

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juski:

as for 'more reliable' – we get years' usage out of ordinary desktop drives if they're treated well enough

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ilikeyourmoves:

hrm, i'm not seeing a log file anywhere.

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juski:

and that involves em being on 24/7

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gbee:

if they retail for the same price as the equivalent 'normal' drive and actually deliver on the lower power use claims I'd consider them

[17:49:57]

juski:

yeah me too, but it wouldn't warrant spending much more on em

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gbee:

ilikeyourmoves: how are you starting mythfrontend? from a prompt?

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ilikeyourmoves:

yep, from a prompt. And I looked through the feedback it gives there and there was no mention of mythmusic anywhere

[17:52:30]

gbee:

you don't see a line starting "Registering MythMusic Media Handler"

[17:54:08]

ilikeyourmoves:

no :/ but I see those entries for MythGallery and MythDVD

[17:54:24]

juski:

wth is this I've just read.. HD-DVD is 24 frames/sec ?! ugh!

[17:55:11]

gbee:

odd, it's clearly not loading the plugin yet doesn't give an error about being "unable to load the plugin"

[17:55:29]

gbee:

all that suggests that mythfrontend can't even see mythmusic.so

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ilikeyourmoves:

i wonder if there's a permissions problem with the plugins or something that would prevent it from seeing those

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gbee:

err libmythmusic.so

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ilikeyourmoves:

nope, not a permissions thing

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gbee:

libmythmusic.so is not empty for some reason is it?

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ilikeyourmoves:

hang on, i may have found it... I think I managed to install the plugins twice, in two different dirs.

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gbee:

it will vary depending on the build system, but mine weighs in at 8.6Mb

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ilikeyourmoves:

I have another set in /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/ — lacking libmythmusic.so

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gbee:

ilikeyourmoves: that will do it

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gbee:

sounds like it was configured/built/installed with --prefix=/usr whereas the default is --prefix=/usr/local

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ilikeyourmoves:

thanks a bunch, i'm going to get these reinstalled in the right dir this time :)

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gnome42:

gbee: I just noticed I am missing mythmusic too ...

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gnome42:

MythMusic requires taglib.

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gnome42:

Disabling MythMusic due to missing dependencies.

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gnome42:

that would be it, I guess :)

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ilikeyourmoves:

taglib was my missing dep also... easy install though

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ilikeyourmoves:

now mythmusic is bitching about an unreadable menu xml file. soooo close :)

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gnome42:

ilikeyourmoves: ok good

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ilikeyourmoves:

woohoo! sudo cp /share/mythtv/musicmenu.xml /usr/share/mythtv/ — fixed my menu issue... just in case you end up down the same path :p

[18:13:21]

gnome42:

ilikeyourmoves: k, thanks :)

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robthebob:

i have a question about EXECTV

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robthebob:

the %s parameters that are passed through to the called program, i wish to always choose a particular tuner

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robthebob:

is this possible?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

juski, i am getting an entry under /dev/video0 but in myth it's showing as a camera

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juski:

LoF^[Lawbringer]: you shouldn't.. it's a digital device

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Tanthrix:

juski: Ever get that clip rendered?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

prehaps ubruntu may have been the wrong choice

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juski:

Tanthrix: yeah just fine with the case side orf :)

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Tanthrix:

juski: Good!

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gbee:

kitten has developed a taste for my blood :)

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Tronic:

When watching a program that is still being recorded, the playback terminates when the playback finishes the spot where the recording was going when the playback was started. Thus, if I start watching a movie while it records, the playback will always terminate prematurely.

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juski:

then you're playing it faster than it's being recorded

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Tronic:

No I am not.

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juski:

you must be, or playback wouldn't stop

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Tronic:

It just does not detect that the file gets bigger or something.

[19:16:54]

juski:

does the recording conclude successfully?

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Tronic:

This used to work before but it got broken when I moved my mythbackend to another machine.

[19:17:12]

Tronic:

Yes, it does.

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Tanthrix:

Tronic: That sounds like a bug. I can't imagine what would cause that to happen...

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juski:

could be a timezone problem or something to do with timing between the frontend & backend

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Tronic:

The recordings are stored on a reiserfs with noatime. Could that be a problem?

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Tronic:

Both boxes are on EEST timezone and the times match quite accurately (less than one minute difference).

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juski:

doubt it

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juski:

less than one minute eh? as much as that?!

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Tanthrix:

You sure about that juski? Wouldn't myth figure out if the file was still being written by looking at the modified time, then updating accordingly? With noatime it could not do that anymore.

[19:20:20]

juski:

sync both machines to the same ntp server

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juski:

Tanthrix: no it doesn't look at the file handles

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juski:

least I don't _think_ it does. it's usually all about the database

[19:21:18]

Tanthrix:

That would make sense.

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Tronic:

Hmm.. There is one b0rked file in the MythTV storage folder.

[19:21:43]

Tronic:

ls -l displays it this way:

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Tronic:

?????????? ? ? ? ? ? 1097_20070225143000.mpg

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Tanthrix:

Though if I recall it's pretty easy to test – Tronic, just remote the attime mount attribute from your fstab and give it a go.

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Tanthrix:

just remove*

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juski:

put it this way – my very first ever frontend had serious problems playing livetv & recorded shows – and that was all down to time

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Tronic:

And trying to access it (rm) gives permission denied. I guess I need to fsck.

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juski:

mythtv puts absolute timestamps in the recordedmarkup table for every recording

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juski:

that's how you can do very precise skipping

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gbee:

juski: those aren't timestamps, but offsets but frame numbers and byte offsets within the file – so mismatched times on a fe/be wouldn't affect that but that doesn't mean there aren't other areas affected by time differences

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gbee:

I know that the frontend can't find recordings on the backend if the timezones are different on each machine, for example

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Loto:

what if the backend is REALLY far away :)

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juski:

gbee: I came to the conclusion that they were absolute because my first frontend couldn't skip ahead or ffw/rew until I fixed the timezone

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nuxil:

i need some help.. i just installed mythtv on my ubuntu edgy.. but i only get error when i try to start mythftontend.. its complaining about Master server not running or Ip is wrong.. in mythtv-setup i got 127.0.0,1 as the ip.. the backend is on same pc as frontend.. whats shall i do to fix this?

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juski:

nuxil: is the backend running?

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nuxil:

yes

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juski:

as in.. the mythtv-backend process?

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gbee:

netstat -atunp

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nuxil:

yes

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juski:

wrong mysql details in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt then ?

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nuxil:

hmm.

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nuxil:

No such file or directory

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juski:

if you don't know the 'mythtv' mysql user's password look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt :)

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juski:

also look at the output from mythfrontend in the terminal you run it from – that will provide some valuable clues no doubt

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nuxil:

ok i got that file

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rowdy:

Hi, I live in bethesda, MD, US and I have comcast. I was able to connect thru firewire thru windows on my laptop and record channels. I want to setup mythv on my desktop. what firewire pci card should i buy?

[20:12:28]

rowdy:

i looked at this page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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rowdy:

but it doesnt give me a good picture

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rowdy:

can anyone please help

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nuxil:

juski, http://pastebin.ca/441657 pls take a look

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nuxil:

thats what front says

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nuxil:

line 15 ?

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juski:

nuxil: nah that's cos it can't connect to lirc

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juski:

doesn't seem like your backend is running on 127.0.0.1

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gbee:

netstat -atunp

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** juski goes to watch some mythtv **

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nuxil:

gbee, was that for me?

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gbee:

yep

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rowdy:

Hi, I live in bethesda, MD, US and I have comcast. I was able to connect thru firewire thru windows on my laptop and record channels. I want to setup mythv on my desktop. what firewire pci card should i buy?

[20:19:20]

hjohnson:

rokstar: digital capture..

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nuxil:

gbee, http://pastebin.ca/441665 take a look pls

[20:19:22]

rokstar:

i'm from silver spring and I use a pci tuner card

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rowdy:

thanks rokstar

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rokstar:

ahh okay

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hjohnson:

rokstar: if you're capturing digital cable, firewire is the only way to go.

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rowdy:

great...small world :)

[20:20:07]

hjohnson:

rowdy: that should be fine.

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gbee:

nuxil: that suggests mythbackend isn't running – what does "ps -A" say?

[20:20:45]

rowdy:

the website http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire . . . rewire_Cards says priming is necessary...is that a big deal

[20:21:15]

rowdy:

is there any model which you recommend

[20:21:31]

rokstar:

anyone know a good resource on how to setup two types of capture and have them both play through the 'watch tv' feature?

[20:21:48]

nuxil:

gbee, i see this

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nuxil:

nuxil 1800 1.0 0.7 159520 16316 ? Ssl 22:23 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

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nuxil:

i restarted it

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nuxil:

but same error still

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gbee:

check the logfile (/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log)

[20:22:32]

Como|Lappy:

I'm looking for someone who understands video at the electrical level, this is the only place i can think to ask...

[20:22:40]

rowdy:

hjohnson: what card do u use?

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sokminer:

rokstar: dunno but i'm gonna give it a shot over the next week (pvr-150 and pcHD5500

[20:23:00]

rokstar:

mines on the same card

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rowdy:

and it runs fine?

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hjohnson:

rowdy: I generally just use analog..

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hjohnson:

Como|Lappy: what are you trying to figure out?

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rowdy:

rokstar: and it runs fine?

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nuxil:

gbee, i see 1 error.. but i dont think it shoul matter.

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nuxil:

http://pastebin.ca/441671

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rokstar:

rowdy: I have basic comcast, and it runs fine

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Como|Lappy:

hjohnson- mind if i pm?

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hjohnson:

just ask in channel

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rokstar:

rowdy: hauppange pvr-350 I think

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Como|Lappy:

alright... I've got an LCD that takes HD15 (vga) input, and i've got to find a way to run a composite (not component, mind you) video to it.

[20:25:02]

Como|Lappy:

I was searching for an adapter box and came across this – http://www.pccables.com/70717.htm

[20:25:23]

Como|Lappy:

looks as though i could just splice one of those up- but i'm not aware of a vga connector outputting any composite signal

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hjohnson:

Como|Lappy: that takes some active electronics...

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gbee:

nuxil: debugging general mythtv problems isn't my strong suit, so I don't have any ideas

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hjohnson:

since you need to change color spaces and generate synchronization pulses to go to VGA

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rowdy:

rokstar: but that doesnt have a firewire port

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Como|Lappy:

I thought it would, it just doesnt appear to have any in that picture

[20:26:26]

gbee:

nuxil: mythbackend appears to be running, there is no apparent error in the log, but it's not opening the tcp port for the frontend to connect

[20:26:35]

rokstar:

rowdy: yeah like I said I don't have digital cable

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hjohnson:

Como|Lappy: no, that will not work.

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hjohnson:

Como|Lappy: it depends, from what I can see, on laptops that output composite/analog video on unused pins on the VGA connector.

[20:27:22]

Como|Lappy:

Ooh, thats entirely possible

[20:27:25]

Como|Lappy:

never thought of it

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gbee:

nuxil: I'd work to fix the error that does appear in the log as it may be preventing proper startup of the backend and you won't get far with it unable to access the capture card anyway

[20:27:38]

Como|Lappy:

really a shame, i just want to play my ps2 :(

[20:27:59]

Como|Lappy:

ah well, thanks

[20:28:08]

hound:

rokstar, I have comcast and the scientificamerican boxes they've given me have no firewire port on them, not sure if different areas get different boxes though

[20:28:18]

hound:

rokstar, oops, to rowdy

[20:28:31]

hjohnson:

yeah, the boxes to do composite->VGA are fairly expensive...

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nuxil:

gbee, ok i'll try to fix that and see how it goes

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hound:

rokstar, oh you already said you had one! what box do they give you?

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** hound wants firewire on his digital box **

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rokstar:

hound: none, basic cable doesn't come with a box

[20:29:15]

rokstar:

hound: I plug the cable line directly into my mythtv box

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hound:

rokstar, you know I keep trying to send that to rowdy, i'm sorry

[20:29:37]

rokstar:

hound: no worries

[20:29:53]

hound:

rokstar, i'm using basic cable now, i think i'd get better signal from an antenna sometimes

[20:30:05]

gbee:

nuxil: did you run mythtv-setup? (and go through all the steps)?

[20:30:15]

nuxil:

yes

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hjohnson:

rokstar: yeah, but if you go basic digital cable, then you use firewire from the box.

[20:30:38]

rokstar:

hjohnson, gotcha, my bad

[20:38:08]

rokstar:

gentoo 0 isn't really anything special

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rokstar:

I just want the 'watch tv' feature to be able to play the rca connection as well

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rokstar:

basically I have a switch that handles all of the various video game consoles that I have

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rokstar:

And whenever I want to play games I have to go behind the tv and swap out cables

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rokstar:

thats really the situation I want to avoid

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hound:

on my pvr250 I can hit C to change the inputs

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alsoconfused:

i don't think you'll be happy playing video games in "livetv"

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rokstar:

is that a software feature in myth?

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hound:

:-D

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rokstar:

if its that easy i'll just program one of the buttons on the remote

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rokstar:

alsoconfused: you mean because of the recording lag?

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alsoconfused:

right

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rokstar:

any suggestions then on how to do it?

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alsoconfused:

use an alternate input on the tv, else a switch

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rokstar:

well the lines are different types

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rokstar:

cable and rca

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alsoconfused:

maybe you need two switches. if you're just trying to avoid going behind the set, use a short extension cable to extend the inputs to the front.

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone here have some experience hooking up a Frontend to a 1080i set?

[20:45:03]

rokstar:

maybe... I dunno I was kinda looking for a software solution as I have everything else running into the mythtv box

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EnderTheThird:

1920x1080 is the correct resolution, but it's overscanning like crazy and I'm missing 1/8th the screen on each edge

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alsoconfused:

rokstar: if you're using a simple framegrabber, you could use xawtv to view it with little/no delay

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rokstar:

alsoconfused: yeah I was thinking that or mplayer

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rokstar:

maybe make a plugin or something for video game playing

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jimbalaya:

anyone here have their mythtv box automatically start X when the computer starts? ... did you do it without gdm?

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RememberPOL:

jimbalaya: you can add `startx` to your init scripts

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FunkyELF:

anyone here run MythTV on a PS3?

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RememberPOL:

nope, I can't even get my digital/analog tuner card working on my laptop :|

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juski:

FunkyELF: think about it for a second

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juski:

if mythtv had been run on a ps3 it would've been slashdotted & dugg to fricking _death_

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FunkyELF:

well....I would think so, but it seems that the people who run MythTV is a small crowd just like those who have a PS3 and actually run Linux on it

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juski:

well then put it this way... we'd have heard about it by now I reckon

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FunkyELF:

juski, http://www.power.org/swsummit

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juski:

word on the street is, yes it's been done, and yeees it was really really slow because there's no hardware acceleration support yet

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FunkyELF:

I'm going to redo my MythTV system....I let it get way outdated, upgraded compilers now only half my programs actually work.

[21:13:31]

FunkyELF:

does XP install on SATA drives?....I think I'll dual boot this time around.

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RememberPOL:

don't dualboot! run XP in vmware :p

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FunkyELF:

RememberPOL, do you run it in vmware?

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RememberPOL:

yeah

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FunkyELF:

have you tried virtualbox?

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RememberPOL:

..no

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RememberPOL:

is it better than vmware?

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FunkyELF:

well, feature wise it looks like it is trying to be on par with vmware workstation

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FunkyELF:

you actually do snapshots and other stuff

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FunkyELF:

...for free

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FunkyELF:

with vmware you only get the player for free

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gardengnome:

parts of virtualbox are FLOSS as well

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RememberPOL:

also it looks like virtualbox ose is released under the gpl, whereas none of vmware is ;x

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LoneShadow:

FLOSS ?

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LoneShadow:

or FOSS ?

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jroysdon:

Is there a channel more specific for Fedora Mythtv?

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gardengnome:

free libre open source software. isn't it called like that?

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gardengnome:

jroysdon: i dont think so. there might be mailing lists dedicated to it, probably related to the atrpms project

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jroysdon:

ok. I'm just starting out, so I figured I'd have a good "live" place to be when I have questions.

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gardengnome:

jroysdon: the best thing you can do is to read everything. twice. :)

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jroysdon:

Right, but depending on the path you go, you could be reading either N/A material or outdated material

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FunkyELF:

hrm....I was going to emerge virtualbox but it looks like I need to upgrade mysql to do so....

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juski:

read the official wiki & the official docs

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juski:

brad2008: er... I can't imagine you having much luck with that & mythtv

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juski:

forget all about the pvr350 card

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juski:

all about it

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jroysdon:

Why? http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Supported_hardware shows it...

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juski:

1. mythtv might not continue to support it

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jroysdon:

Is this a MythTV issue or something else?

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juski:

2. no digital audio output

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brad2008:

so not much support on here then

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juski:

3. when you play music it comes out of your soundcard

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juski:

4. same for xvid/divx

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jroysdon:

Ah, ok. That's why I'm asking. That's the problem. One guide will say to check one place for supported gear, but that site's info is outdated/not current...

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jroysdon:

juski- I believe I read about that, or having to pipe it back into your soundcard or something

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juski:

it works right now, but that could change. and if it gets broken in mythtv, it's unlikely to get fixed because nobody who codes uses em anymore as far as anybody is aware

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jroysdon:

Ok, so just stick with the PVR500MCE for encoding? What about a MPEG2 decoding card for playback so I can keep it down to just one box and no CPU issues?

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jroysdon:

(what's a pretty popular card with the coders?)

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juski:

jroysdon: use a _realistic_ CPU & cool it as quietly as you can

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juski:

recycling older hardware is bad for the environment anyway

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jroysdon:

not going to use old hw, I've got a new system

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jroysdon:

I just want to have just one box for recording and playback and serving to laptops at home

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jroysdon:

(I've read of others having a dedicated recording box... bleh)

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juski:

get a cheapish nvidia vga card with a tv output

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juski:

or dvi/hdmi/whatever your tv has

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jroysdon:

ok, that'll work? this system came with an NVIDIA Geforce 7500 LE

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juski:

should be fine

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jroysdon:

(works great with WinXP MCE)

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juski:

if it has a tv output & you wanna connect it via svideo or composite to your tv

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juski:

if it was my money I'd just buy 2 pvr500 cards instead of 1 pvr500 & a pvr350 believe me

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jroysdon:

it does, but I've got a... I don't know the dimensions, but a wide-screen flat monitor that I'm using with it now.

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** FunkyELF wishes he could capture HD stuff **

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juski:

the old argument about the 350's tv out quality trouncing vga cards' tv out is long over

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jroysdon:

well, since the pvr500 can record two streams at once, no need to get two for me...

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juski:

anyway I have a bed to go to

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jroysdon:

hah, 2pm here. g'night

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juski:

g'night all. BTW anybody who had bother downloading my themes.. www.juski.co.uk has its download links back in place

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jroysdon:

Hmm, anyone know about amd 64-bit support? Should I just install as i686?

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jroysdon:

(this box will be used for nothing but household A/V)

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hads:

I believe 32bit is the safer option

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brad2008:

anyone here that can help me troubleshoot my pcmcia card?

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kormoc:

brad2008, why yes, I'm a expert in that particular pcmcia card, you have it plugged into the wango socket rather then the wonga socket, switch that around and the moomoo card will work fine

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RememberPOL:

5m4r7455?

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brad2008:

No its something to do with the drivers

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brad2008:

I have been reading on the LinuxTV website that they have dvb drivers for my pcmcia card but when I search around I dont see anything except a magra2 folder and it doesnt help me to much

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kormoc:

jroysdon, typically they are the same other then different 'types' come with different extras (remote vs no remote, etc)

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gardengnome:

brad2008: ask in the right channel or on the linuxtv mailing list. this is a *mythtv* support channel. good luck :)

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jroysdon:

ah, I've got a remote already... are pretty much all remotes supported? This is HP remote that came with my system and has a USB IR sensor...

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brad2008:

I need to get my dvb card to work to use mythtv so why wouldnt people help

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kormoc:

jroysdon, you need to look up lirc support for it

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jroysdon:

ah, ok

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RememberPOL:

Any idea why Scan Type: "Failed to open the card" when going to Channel Scanner?

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kormoc:

brad2008, cause 1. we don't know that card, and 2. it's not a myth driver. you could ask the people who deal with the driver as gardengnome said, or you can continue to whine in here about your lack of help.

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jroysdon:

(I think I'll just give it a go with the hardware I have (no supported encoder yet) and if it works, great, if not, I'll get a PVR500 w/remote)

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gardengnome:

brad2008: people are likely to be busy with mythtv problems. if you can't get a deprecated piece of hardware working, try asking in the right channel

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kormoc:

RememberPOL, check permissions on the device node?

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RememberPOL:

Even if mythtv-setup as root, I get the same issue.

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RememberPOL:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 Apr 15 10:12 /dev/video0

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kormoc:

RememberPOL, well, run mythtv-setup from a terminal window and see what it spits out?

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RememberPOL:

http://rafb.net/p/bnp9eY32.txt

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brad2008:

http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/DV . . . ;view=markup here is the card i'm trying to get working

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kormoc:

RememberPOL, what card do you have?

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Dibblah:

brad2008: So what's the problem?

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brad2008:

I dont know if it will allow me to watch tv on my computer

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jroysdon:

Does the PVR500 have an internal splitter that allows it to record two shows at once? I was assuming it'd have two inputs for TV (that's what my DirecTiVo had... way back, but that probably was more of a satellite thing)

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kormoc:

jroysdon, yes, it's dual tuner

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jroysdon:

Interesting... so if you have to have an external cable set-top box, it won't work right with that (I don't, but just a thought to consider)...

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kormoc:

jroysdon, it is an analog only tuner (channels 2 to 120 or so)

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Dibblah:

brad2008: Try it and see?

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brad2008:

Ya I just dont understand its a decoder card but it has all the inputs like rca and svideo so couldn't it just be reversed to read instead of send out

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jroysdon:

hmm, that's a pretty far stretch that I've never heard of

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Dibblah:

Oh... Kay.

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Dibblah:

Sorry, kormoc, I was assuming you were just being brash :)

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jroysdon:

like saying, "Can't I just use the line in and reverse it as another output channel on my sound card"... it's not designed to do that.

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gardengnome:

Dibblah: heh

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Dibblah:

RememberPOL: Errr... Sorry. I was assuming DVB / ATSC :)

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RememberPOL:

It says Probed info: "UNKNOWN/GENERIC [saa7134]"

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RememberPOL:

Is there somewhere to check the proper card type using the lspci info? (I just left it on the default "Analog V4L capture card")

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kormoc:

Dibblah, heh :)

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RememberPOL:

Do you happen to know kormoc?

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kormoc:

RememberPOL, sadly, I do n't

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kormoc:

*not

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RememberPOL:

k

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cesman:

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&am . . . amp;oe=UTF-8

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jvs:

good nite

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RememberPOL:

cesman: Yes and I've already tried removing and reinstalling the module with the proper settings according to this page: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_saa7134 (card=77 tuner=54) but it still says "Failed to open the card".

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

god damn it.. i'm just buying som new TV cards

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

does anyone know of a DVB-T dual PCI card

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fryfrog:

whew, my backend is *finally* almost cought up on commflagging

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fryfrog:

sorry, all i know of is the PVR500 dual tuner NTSC/PAL type card

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roger55:

does anyone here have a samsung smt-7020 that is running linux/mythtv?

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Loto:

you can password bookmarks

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Loto:

but not within the database

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Loto:

so, yes if your using directories. no if your using the video library

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jroysdon:

I don't know the difference yet...

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Loto:

sry

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Loto:

ffs

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Loto:

wrong channel for me

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** Loto though he was in #xbmc **

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jroysdon:

lol

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Loto:

/ignore loto

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spinull:

DLP or LCD?

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RememberPOL:

dlpftw?

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LoF^[Lawbringer]:

DVDA?

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gardengnome:

omgbbq!

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Tanthrix:

spinull: LCD, because DLP projectors are cheaper, which can only mean one thing ;)

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scant:

is there an easy way to get dvd information displayed on my imon lcd?

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hads:

Really? I thought DLP was traditionally darer than LCD?

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ubuntuEdgy:

hey guys i can seen to be able to "exit and shutdown"

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hads:

OK

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ubuntuEdgy:

debugging on the terminal says i need to be root, what can i do ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

look

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ubuntuEdgy:

halt: Need to be root

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cesman:

whatever command that it is using to shutdown, ensure that the user can execute it

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cesman:

in other words, sudo...

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ubuntuEdgy:

i know but you don't understand what i mean

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hads:

Surprisingly for mythtv, there's a setting to adjust that ;)

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