Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, April 14th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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fryfrog:

my WRT w/ sveasoft has great port forwarding and vlans, but i dunno how you'd do multi-ip

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fryfrog:

which i think would be the stumbling point for all of em

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SlicerDicer-:

any howtos for a hauppauge usb thingy?

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hads:

xris: Have you looked at pfsense? It's nifty.

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fryfrog:

especially port forwarding to to some of those extra ips

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hads:

But if what you have works is there a need to change?

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fryfrog:

true :)

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xris:

hads: the point of the discussion was to get rid of the computer hardware, though

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fryfrog:

is pfsense for WRT stuff? or real hardware?

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hads:

fryfrog: Real, small hardware. Like Soekris etc.

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hads:

Or bigger.

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fryfrog:

OHHH

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fryfrog:

nice

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fryfrog:

i was looking into building a cellular router out of one of those

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fryfrog:

like a 486 100 in a tiny router sized device?

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fryfrog:

had a few mini-pci slots i think?

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fryfrog:

maybe a couple pcmcia too?

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hads:

Yeah, they have a few models. Quite neat.

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fryfrog:

I'm looking forward to when my parents get their RV after they retire and go accros the country

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hads:

I was going to do that here but for my needs they are too dare when I can do what I want with an off the shelf consumer device like the WRT

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fryfrog:

i'll build em one of those, a mobile WAP :)

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fryfrog:

too dare?

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fryfrog:

to expensive/much work?

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xris:

hads: yeah, I could run shorewall on a soekris.. but my old p3 server uses like 20w, so it's not a huge deal

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hadees:

so since i can't figure out my IOBOUND problem what about a problem on my frontend. Ever once and a while i get "NVP: prebuffering pause"

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fryfrog:

network maybe?

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hads:

fryfrog: Like $500 compared to $100 for a WRT (NZ$)

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fryfrog:

is it 100mbit, full duplex?

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fryfrog:

hads: ah, yes i saw the same thing :)

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hads:

xris: Yeah, not much point really.

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fryfrog:

hadees: you never said if it was SD or HD did you?

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hadees:

fryfrog, SD

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

man, you shouldn't be seeing *either* of those with SD

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hadees:

and yes about the full duplex and 100mbits

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tank-man:

what do you need to measure how many watts your pc uses?

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hadees:

fryfrog, i guess i am cursed

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fryfrog:

unless you are using like 10mbit and it goes by like 4 flouresent lamp balasts

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hadees:

fryfrog, and i want to be doing hdtv soon =(

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fryfrog:

something is wonky with your setup, does dmesg show any errors around the same time?

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hads:

s/beat/neat/

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fryfrog:

i used to have a problem with an nvidia network interface

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fryfrog:

hads: does it have GUI/web setup?

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hads:

fryfrog: Yeah.

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tjcarter:

okay, feisty's kernel didn't come up on reboot.

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hads:

fryfrog: http://www.pfsense.com/

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tjcarter:

I'm using edgy's. Works for the moment.

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fryfrog:

tjcarter: oh, you poor sap

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fryfrog:

tjcarter: did you end up with a -14 kernel?

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fryfrog:

i *just* finished recovering from that

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tjcarter:

fryfrog: -15

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tjcarter:

same problem apparently.

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hadees:

fryfrog, nothing related to the network

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tjcarter:

or a different/similar one.

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fryfrog:

tjcarter: do you get a n_clusters issue?

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tjcarter:

what was the -14 problem? =)

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hads:

Hmm, an update just pulled in -14 this morning. Are there issues?

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fryfrog:

i dunno, for sure

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tjcarter:

no, I got a busybox initramfs prompt.

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hadees:

fryfrog, i am getting these errors on my frontend

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hadees:

hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }

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hadees:

hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }

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hadees:

ide: failed opcode was: unknown

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fryfrog:

right, but above that what do you get?

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hadees:

in dmesg but i am not sure when they were put in there

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fryfrog:

hadees: that sounds like a dying hard drive

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tjcarter:

hadees: { WhenYouSee ErrorsLikeThis }

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hads:

Yeah, I'd suspect that drive

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tjcarter:

hadees: { PrayToGod YoureGonnaLoseData }

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fryfrog:

tjcarter: there were two problems, afaik

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hadees:

tjcarter, its just my mythtv frontend

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fryfrog:

tjcarter: with -14, for some reason the initramfs wouldn't load up *any* drivers

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hadees:

nothing really important on it

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tjcarter:

fryfrog: -15 seems to have the same problem.

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fryfrog:

tjcarter: and recently, my -15 using pata_amd would hang on some "n_clusters" thing

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hadees:

fryfrog, would that explain a prebuffering pause?

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fryfrog:

it basically detected the drives cluster size, then used hpa to test it and then disabled it due to not matching

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fryfrog:

hadees: i think it *could*, in theory

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fryfrog:

it'd probably lock the whole OS up for a little bit each time, which would then make you see that i'd imagine

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tjcarter:

fryfrog: I can't figure out what the deal is with -15 until I have recorded Stargates.

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fryfrog:

ah :)

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fryfrog:

at least you could boot into your old kernel

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fryfrog:

the initramfs problem fucked up *all* of my initrd images

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hadees:

i wonder if the lvm could be the IOBOUND problem

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fryfrog:

made my server unbootable for like a whole day

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hadees:

it just doesn't make that much sense though

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fryfrog:

what kind of lvm are you using?

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fryfrog:

stripping? aggregate (jbod)?

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fryfrog:

and you are only writing *one* stream right? (how many cards do you have)

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hadees:

fryfrog, to be honest i don't remember it was a while ago

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fryfrog:

you might also look and see what your irq latency is, something retarded could caus eproblems

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hadees:

i have 3 cards

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

do you see IOBOUND when 1, 2 or 3 are all recording?

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hadees:

2 or 3

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fryfrog:

i mean, does it get worse as more is going on?

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fryfrog:

humm, i see

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hadees:

fryfrog, yeah

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fryfrog:

it might just be unhappy about writing 3 streams to 1 physical disk

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fryfrog:

depending on how your LVM is setup

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fryfrog:

i dunno how, but increasing the buffer sounds like a good stopgap at least

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hadees:

fryfrog, so how should i set my lvm

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hadees:

fryfrog, can you do that in lvm?

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fryfrog:

hadees: *MY* setup uses linux kernel raid5, it is 6x 320G

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fryfrog:

if your drives are all the same size and you have 2, I'd go with raid0

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fryfrog:

if they are all the same and you have 3, raid5 probably

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hadees:

fryfrog, i do have a raid 5 card sitting around but i don't have any sata drives for it

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fryfrog:

or you could use the new "storage groups" thing and just make each drive a dir

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fryfrog:

soft raid5 is fine

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fryfrog:

which, if i were building a stand alone myth backend, is what i would have done with mine

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fryfrog:

i don't know how *your* lvm is setup, but it is possible that it is filling up one disk at a time

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EnderTheThird:

Can someone help an idiot who's used to using repo's and howto's patch a driver?

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fryfrog:

so, when 3 streams are going they are trying to write to *one* disk

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EnderTheThird:

I have the .diff files that are supposed to fix analog sound output for my HD5500's, but i'm not having any luck

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hadees:

fryfrog, how should the lvm be setup? stripped?

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fryfrog:

EnderTheThird: patch -p0 --dry-run < file.patch

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fryfrog:

hadees: stripped would probably be better, but don't take my word for it. I don't like LVM :)

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fryfrog:

EnderTheThird: if that doesn't work, try "-p1"

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fryfrog:

when it finally says it works, remove the "--dry-run"

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hadees:

fryfrog, well i think i'll try that first

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fryfrog:

hadees: find out what its using now :)

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fryfrog:

my understanding of LVM is very limited, so there is at least an 80% chance i'm wrong :)

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hadees:

fryfrog, well yeah i got to figure out how to do that

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hadees:

lvinfo or something

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EnderTheThird:

I'll let you know

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm, worked for first patch but got "patching file linux/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-tvaudio.c

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EnderTheThird:

Hunk #1 FAILED at 143.

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EnderTheThird:

1 out of 1 hunk FAILED — saving rejects to file linux/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-tvaudio.c.rej" for the 2nd

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fryfrog:

check the file, it should say why

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fryfrog:

maybe "already applied" or something

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EnderTheThird:

fryfrog: now what do I do to get rid of the current drivers I already installed so i can make, make install the new patched ones?

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fryfrog:

uh

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fryfrog:

make and make install the new ones?

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EnderTheThird:

heh, it pulls errors

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EnderTheThird:

I'm half tempted to just order a Hauppauge PVR-500 to handle all my analog recordings, heh

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fryfrog:

don't you have a firewire cable box?

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EnderTheThird:

In the other room. Whole point of MythTV for me is to get rid of the $16/month STB though

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EnderTheThird:

Unless they'll give me a free digital STB (non DVR)

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

firewire rules for me, i pay to rent two of em

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fryfrog:

i get *all* the channels i pay for, *all* in digital :)

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EnderTheThird:

$16/mo for 160GB of storage and no freedom, they can go to hell

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EnderTheThird:

Sure sure, rub it in

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fryfrog:

so the "analog" stations record at like 1G / hr

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fryfrog:

well, you might be able to get an HD *tuner* for less / month

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm

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EnderTheThird:

I wonder if any local stores carry the Hauppage so I can try it out before ordering it from Newegg

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EnderTheThird:

HD channels go like champs on here

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EnderTheThird:

and I could record 4 channels at once then, heh. Might put the Hauppage in my 2.8 GHz frontend if that's the case though

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EnderTheThird:

But holy hell do these high def channels look incredible

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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fryfrog:

yeah, I <3 HD

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fryfrog:

Lost, Heroes in HD

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fryfrog:

omg

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fryfrog:

makes a mess in the front of my pants

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EnderTheThird:

Haha

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EnderTheThird:

1 week for Heroes, WOO!

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fryfrog:

can you imagine HD porn? You'd be able to see that zit on his ass in HD glory

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EnderTheThird:

I'll pass ;)

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fryfrog:

really??? its back in 1 week?

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EnderTheThird:

Yeah

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fryfrog:

nice, okay time to go out for dinner

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EnderTheThird:

Ghost Whisperer in HD.... shitty show, but at least JLH looks smokin hot

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EnderTheThird:

Pretty much everyone would recommend the Hauppauge 500, right?

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fryfrog:

PVR500

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fryfrog:

or PVR150

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fryfrog:

depending on how much $$$ and PCI slots you have

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fryfrog:

2x PVR150 is *probably* cheaper than 1x PVR500

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fryfrog:

last i looked you could *almost* get 3x PVR150 for the price of a PVR500

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fryfrog:

I have a PVR500 and PVR250 just sitting on my desk, keeping it from flying away

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EnderTheThird:

Ouch

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EnderTheThird:

150 have the hardware encoder?

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fryfrog:

a PVR500 is literally 2x PVR150 on one card

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fryfrog:

so... yeah :)

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EnderTheThird:

heh

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fryfrog:

the *only* problem with PVR150 is that i've heard *some* people are getting the *nextgen* hauppage card cause they had some shortage

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fryfrog:

I *think* it was coming with a card that did *hardware* mpeg2 *AND* HD

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fryfrog:

but doesn't have linux support :p

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EnderTheThird:

hmm

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fryfrog:

HPV1600 or something?

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EnderTheThird:

500 is easier with few splitters and cables running around though

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fryfrog:

yeah, for sure

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fryfrog:

the diff between 2x 150 and 1x 500 is prolly only like $20 or so

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fryfrog:

hardly worth caring about :)

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EnderTheThird:

$4 on Newegg

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fryfrog:

what?

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fryfrog:

for a 1x PVR150?

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fryfrog:

OH

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fryfrog:

or is that 2x 150s vs. 1...

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fryfrog:

ah, kk

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fryfrog:

was that the MCE or OEM pvr150?

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EnderTheThird:

more expensive than my pcHDTV though

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fryfrog:

no point in getting retail i don't think :)

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EnderTheThird:

oem, not much diff in price though

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

pvr500 then!

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EnderTheThird:

i already shelled out $40 for an MCE remote (basically just the IR receiver)

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EnderTheThird:

ugh, that KILLS my hardware costs: $248+140 = $388 on tuners alone!

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EnderTheThird:

$248 for the 2 5500's

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tjcarter:

I have a Snapstream Firefly remote. The RF one

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tjcarter:

buttons are a little squishy, but it seems to work well enough.

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tjcarter:

There's even a lirc profile for it now--I had to hack together a driver from the kernel ATI remote driver.

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EnderTheThird:

I have a Logitech Harmony I'll be using with it on my frontend

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EnderTheThird:

I needed IR

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tjcarter:

ack, I am having a problem

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tjcarter:

Myth and reality seem to disagree by about one hour. I suspect DST madness.

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tjcarter:

okay, the thing was still set to the wrong timezone.

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tjcarter:

as in, it's recording things an hour off now because of it. How can I fix this immediately? =)

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tjcarter:

already fixed the timezone.

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tjcarter:

but it's still going to try to record Stargate at the wrong times.

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tjcarter:

yeah, now Myth thinks it recorded something it didn't.

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tjcarter:

I need to tell it to forget that.

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tjcarter:

and ... I think that's fixed it!

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SlicerDicer-:

where does the password for mysql get stored for the backend?

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opello:

in the backend user's ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt i believe

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alex22:

Hello

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alex22:

any good resources that will tell me if it works?

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hound:

alex22, check out the mythtv website wiki

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Tanthrix:

alex22: Get a PVR-150 MCE. Cheap and fully supported.

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alex22:

does it do HDTV?

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alex22:

Also, how do i plug everything together?

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Tanthrix:

No, unfortunately.

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Tanthrix:

And what exactly do you mean by plug everything together?

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alex22:

what plugs into the tuner card?

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alex22:

the cable right, but from what?

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alex22:

outside? or my box

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Tanthrix:

Well, either. So I take it you have a cable box to get extra channels?

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alex22:

yes

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Tanthrix:

HD as well, or just SD?

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alex22:

I'm getting hd in september

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Tanthrix:

Hrm. Well, I'll explain your options:

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jd86:

has anyone had troubles with recent svn trunk revs with mythfilldatabase not putting new data in?

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Tanthrix:

The first is to use a regular PVR-150 card and a IR blaster. Basically, you plug the output of your cable box into the card, then use an IR blaster (an ir transmitter that basically pretends to be a remote) to change the channels

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Tanthrix:

You can get all of your SD channels that way, and probably your HD channels as well, though they won't be HD

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alex22:

i cant view them in hd?

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Tanthrix:

Without the IR blaster you will only be able to get whatever analog cable channels are provided

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Tanthrix:

You can't record HD with a PVR-150 card

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alex22:

will that do?

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fryfrog:

alex22: if you are getting an HD cable box, try for one with firewire output

[02:09:42]

fryfrog:

and skip buying any cards at all

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Tanthrix:

To get HD, you have two mostly bad options:

[02:09:56]

Tanthrix:

The first is, as fryfrog said, getting one with firewire output.

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Tanthrix:

This can let you get all of your SD and HD digital channels, but only the ones that are not encrypted your cable provider. Depending on the luck of the draw you might only get over the air channels (NBC, CBS, etc..) or you might, more rarely, be able to get all of them

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Tanthrix:

So it all depends on your cable provider

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Tanthrix:

And even you do get them unencrypted firewire support is still a bit young and one of the more difficult things to get working reliably with myth

[02:11:51]

Tanthrix:

The second option is a HD tuner card, but that will also only get unencrypted channels, though it is more reliable.

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fryfrog:

but IF you are going to rent a cable box no matter what, it is *worth* trying

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fryfrog:

i use a combination of the 2 myself

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alex22:

ok cool

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alex22:

my provider is videotron

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Tanthrix:

By law your cable company must be able to provide you with a box with firewire out, so fryfrog is right, it's worth a try

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fryfrog:

I have 2x PCI air2pc cards and also 2x DCT6412 HD cable boxes

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alex22:

i think they disabled it on my sd box

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Tanthrix:

Though it's difficult to get working and not nearly reliable as say a $40 PVR-150 card

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alex22:

ok

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jd86:

I don't want HD.

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jd86:

I like my low definition.

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Tanthrix:

fryfrog: Can you get any unencrypted digital channels with your air2pc cards?

[02:14:18]

jd86:

This is probably a stupid question... but is it possible to get digital channels on a card like pvr-150 (unencrypted ones of course... if such a thing exists with my cable provider)?

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Tanthrix:

jd86: You must have bad eye sight or are just stubborn, as HD is obviously better than SD. Probably the latter I think ;)

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hads:

jd86: It's an analog card...

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jd86:

hads, yeah... so that means no

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Tanthrix:

And you can, but only via an IR blaster. So you have to output the digital then convert it to analog again.

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hads:

Correct

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jd86:

hads, just wanted to hear someone say it — Someone else I was talking to *thought* it was possible... but I wasn't that hopeful.

[02:16:13]

jd86:

I used to have my digital cable box hooked up, with the serial port to change channels. It worked great. Downside was the problems at the time with keeping the system working enough of the time to keep the family happy

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Tanthrix:

jd86: Basically, with the ir blaster it's relatively simple to do, but results in less quality than what it should be. You *should* be able to get the straight digital stream since you are paying for it

[02:16:30]

Tanthrix:

Freaking cable companies.

[02:17:22]

Tanthrix:

alex22: In any case, just don't buy anything before you check out how easy it is to get working.

[02:17:27]

jd86:

I have enough problems to deal with. My mythbackend starts a whole ton of jobs it shouldn't... commercial flagging kills the backend. This weekend I need to generate logs and open a trac ticket, or at least post them somewhere.

[02:18:15]

Tanthrix:

jd86: Are you using the latest version?

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jd86:

Tanthrix, svn trunk, i have forever now :) (well not forever, but probably over a year)

[02:18:38]

Tanthrix:

Oh, ok.

[02:19:19]

Tanthrix:

I had some problems with programs that I never selected recording themselves, as well as disappearing database stuff until a backend reboot, but the latest version fixed it all automagically.

[02:19:25]

jd86:

I now have like 100 commflag and transcode jobs qeueued waiting for me to figure out whats going on so I can turn processing of them back on

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alex22:

also

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alex22:

so if my box is set up

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alex22:

i can watch TV from any computer in the house?

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Tanthrix:

alex22: Any computer with mythtv on it, yes.

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alex22:

even the backend box?

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alex22:

cause my primary use for it is to record tv

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alex22:

i work nights, so i miss everything

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Tanthrix:

alex22: Yes. I have a backend/front end machine, and then I have another front end machine.

[02:20:39]

alex22:

and i'm tired of downloading everything

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jd86:

I have 2 backends 4 frontends, one of which is a combo (slave backend and frontend)

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alex22:

k ill look into it

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alex22:

i calcualted everything

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alex22:

and the total came up to ~ 750

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alex22:

i also need a video card right?

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alex22:

with hdtv out?

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Tanthrix:

alex22: Not necessarely. VGA/DVI works if your TV supports it.

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alex22:

yeah it does

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Tanthrix:

alex22: But there are issues with that you should be aware of.

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Tanthrix:

alex22: Sets with a native resolution of 1366x768 are notoriously hard to get working over DVI, and 1080i can also be difficult to get working.

[02:23:16]

Tanthrix:

alex22: So sometimes from what I can gather it's better just to get a card with HDTV out via component.

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Tanthrix:

What kind of set do you have?

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alex22:

Viewsonic

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alex22:

those cheap ones @ costco

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hads:

What's difficult about DVI?

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alex22:

for under 1g

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alex22:

it supports 720p, 1080i etc

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Tanthrix:

alex22: What's the native resolution?

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alex22:

No idea, i have to look into it

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Tanthrix:

hads: EDID problems and modeline issues make it difficult to get working. And some TVs it just doesn't ever work quite right.

[02:24:52]

hads:

Odd. I've only set it up twice but it just works for me.

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Tanthrix:

Worked great for me as well, but my set was native 1080P, so that helps quite a bit.

[02:25:29]

Tanthrix:

Depends on the set.

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hads:

Both of these were 1366x768

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Tanthrix:

a1fa has been pulling his hair out for days to get his working

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Tanthrix:

The EDID spec does not allow for horizontal resolutions that re not divisible by 8, so often they will not just automatically work as they should. You have to override EDID checks and a bunch of stuff.

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hads:

Actually I tell I lie, they were both DVi->HDMI but same sort of deal

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Tanthrix:

Yah, HDMI and DVI have the same video component, just HDMI supports audio and has a different connector.

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Tanthrix:

So, as always, YMMV.

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hads:

Yeah. I don't know a lot about X at all, maybe I've just been lucky.

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Tanthrix:

What set do you have?

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hads:

Umm, one is a small Panasonic LCD, the other is a Samsung 50" Plasma. I'd have to dig out the actualy models.

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Tanthrix:

1366x768 – lucky for you.

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Tanthrix:

Though, were you running it in its native resolution?

[02:30:20]

Tanthrix:

Getting 720P to work isn't nearly as difficult, since it gets correctly reported via the EDID.

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hads:

Yeah, both sets are 1366x768 and I think they are running native.

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Tanthrix:

Crazy.

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BSD_Tech:

ok I have mtd running but I cant get it to rip

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hads:

That's the Samsung -> http://www.samsung.com/nz/Products/TV/plasmatv/ps_50q7h.asp

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BSD_Tech:

anyone here ripped dvd with the mythdvdripper

[02:32:25]

BSD_Tech:

it tells me nothing to do

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Tanthrix:

hads: You must just be blessed by the video output gods or something ;)

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Tanthrix:

(Or you're running them both at 720P and don't know it)

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hads:

Aparently :)

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SlicerDicer-:

BSD_Tech: well myth only lets you do unencrypted disks

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hads:

Tanthrix: That's also possible. I basically just typed the resolution into xorg.conf in went with it.

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Tanthrix:

hads: Yah, on Nvidia cards if it doesn't work it auto-selects the next best resolution.

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BSD_Tech:

how dod you know if a disk is loked or not

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SlicerDicer-:

well on the disk case it should give a pretty good idea

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Tanthrix:

hads: Check your xorg log, it will say something like mode not working, using nvidia-auto-select

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hads:

Tanthrix: It's quite possibly done that then.

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BSD_Tech:

cp

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Tanthrix:

hads: BUT, if you are happy, then who cares right? ;)

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BSD_Tech:

iin a triangle

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hads:

Tanthrix: Yeah. Educational really, but I am interested.

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Tanthrix:

hads: I'm just compulsive and need to get the best possible picture that I can, even if 5 hours of work only gets me .5 percent better

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Tanthrix:

hads: DVI is also troublesome because a lot of older cards can't do the proper pixel clock for native 1080P. Just because the card says "max resolution: 2503x1634" or whatever it is doesn't mean that the DVI port can do that.

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hads:

Well, the Samsung is doing 720P

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Tanthrix:

Aha!

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Tanthrix:

Anyway, if you're happy with it then don't bother changing it, but you will most definately get better image quality when your set is not having to scale the signal.

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Tanthrix:

How much better depends on the set.

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hads:

And so is the other :)

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Tanthrix:

It's a small amount to scale, so you might not even notice the difference.

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Tanthrix:

Not like upscaling 480P to 1080P or anything like that.

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hads:

Oh well, I'm not too stressed. I might look at the Panasonic sometime as it does appear to do some color banding sometimes.

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Kritter:

mythgame seems to do zilch. bah.

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Tanthrix:

Well, I'm off. Later.

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hads:

Later

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tjcarter:

And WHAT Stargate special would be complete without naked Amanda Tapping covered in Jello?

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tjcarter:

...

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tjcarter:

=)

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blameless:

apparently i picked an interesting time to return

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blameless:

i don't suppose there is a way to make mythfrontend use xine?

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BSD_Tech:

man I cant find on all these dvd's where it says its protected

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DJ-phYre:

MythTV can run normal window managers right?

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BSD_Tech:

I want to move all my dvd to my hd

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BSD_Tech:

myth runs ontop of the desktop

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BSD_Tech:

myth is only a program

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DJ-phYre:

BSD_Tech: that is what i thought, I had another guy telling me it was an OS

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DJ-phYre:

that clears everything up lol

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BSD_Tech:

no linux is the os

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DJ-phYre:

yeah

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DJ-phYre:

i thought it was a distro built to be a pvr

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BSD_Tech:

mythtv is a application that uses linux and x

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DJ-phYre:

is what i meant

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BSD_Tech:

there is mythos

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BSD_Tech:

and mythdora

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Kritter:

and knoppmyth

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DJ-phYre:

hmm

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DJ-phYre:

right now i don't have a capture card, and don't have the money for one until i sell some old hardware... can I playback my divx/vob/mpg files through mythtv

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DJ-phYre:

and i want to use it for Frets on Fire also

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Kritter:

you can just use myth for play back sure, but divx etc is sent out to an external player regardless – xine,mplayer,vlc.

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DJ-phYre:

ah myth is just for watching live tv?

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Kritter:

so myth becomes a fancy menu system for access those files on tv.

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hads:

Not on newer myth versions

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hads:

You can use the internal player for videos etc

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc|afk: you got one of those killawatt thingys right?

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: do you by chance have one?

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Kritter:

well that means I spent hours setting up mplayer/xine/vlc for nothing as Internal on my box plays divx etc.

[03:05:46]

Kritter:

bah.

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Kritter:

now if I can just remove this flashing counter at the bottom of the image.

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DJ-phYre:

Which distro is more user friendly.... Knopp or Mythdora

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hadees:

has anyone made a mythtv bootsplash screen?

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hadees:

or fbsplash

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Kritter:

ok, can launch the game emulators fine manually, start them from mythgame and nothing seems to happen at all.

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: What do you need a watt meter for?

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jadzor|:

Anybody experience bad framrates when watching sports on mythtv?

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jadzor|:

framerates even

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juski:

d31`: I don't think it's bad framerates you're seeing. I think it's more likely that you need to enable deinterlacing

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d31`:

juski, ok, i'm enabling it now...which would be the preferred algorithm?

[04:30:31]

juski:

use whichever looks best for you

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d31`:

okally

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juski:

if you're using xvmc, it's likely 'bob 2x' will do the job

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d31`:

juski, yeah bob 2x seems to be a lot better now

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Dagmar:

Easier solution: Output to a CRT. :)

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juski:

probably already is. you don't often get a ready interlaced (or automatically deinterlaced) display on VGA card TV outs

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Tanthrix:

I don't quite get how bob works.

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Tanthrix:

Each field becomes its own frame, right? (Where the 2x part comes from the fact that this doubles the frame rate)

[05:08:24]

Tanthrix:

But how can a field be resized to fit the whole screen without distortion?

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xris:

Tanthrix: bob means that you need to have your monitor's refresh rate be 2x the speed of the recording.

[05:09:13]

xris:

so 60hz for ntsc or 50hz for pal

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Tanthrix:

Well I know that, but that doesn't tell me anything about how bob actually works

[05:11:19]

Tanthrix:

That page describes it saying "Bob deinterlacing is method by which each field of the video is made into a separate frame. Because each field has only half the height of a full frame, each field is resized to twice its original height when it is transformed into its own frame. "

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xris:

Tanthrix: it "bobs" the frames up and down... if you don't have 2x the framerate, it looks like the whole thing jjitters

[05:11:59]

xris:

Tanthrix: not sure how to make it clearer than what you pasted

[05:13:07]

Tanthrix:

Well, a field is half the height of the full image when compressed together (removing the other field) – So how can it be resized to fit the whole screen from nothing?

[05:13:34]

Tanthrix:

If it was smashed together (removing the other field and compressing) then stretched wouldn't you be seeing a half resolution distorted image?

[05:15:01]

Tanthrix:

(But I get the bob part, since obviously displaying one after the other would be offset by one line, making text or other horizontal things appear to go up and down)

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hads:

I'm guessing it's not smashed together

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hads:

Dumping data to disk takes very little CPU, I don't know about the last requirement though

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hadees:

hads, thats what i thought, so the only real taxing part is the transcoding

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hadees:

i forgot to add severing up content it there, no use having a mythtv baceknd if you can't watch it

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juski:

just to be on the safe side though, don't set transcoding up to be greedy with cpu cycles

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juski:

load it up & give it a go.. can't hurt much

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xris:

Tanthrix: it doubles the lines

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xris:

instead of (I think) linear blend, where half of the info is tossed and half is duplicated, bob doubles the framerate and shows both "doubled up" frames one after another

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juski:

Tanthrix: 720x576 video is actually 2 fields of 720x278, but imagine them displayed with a one line gap between each line

[05:23:35]

Tanthrix:

xris: You must be right. I can't think of any other way that could be done. But still, don't you technically lose resolution because of that since it any given time only one of those fields is being displayed?

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juski:

Tanthrix: not necessarily, since no lines are being thrown away

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juski:

no averaging is taking place

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xris:

Tanthrix: resolution stays the same, frame rate doubles, total amount of "valid" info stays the same

[05:25:28]

Tanthrix:

juski: But they're being displayed at different times nearly on top of each other (since bob moves one field a half line down, and the other field a half line up to minamize the bobbing)

[05:25:59]

juski:

Tanthrix: so they get averaged by your eyes much the same way they would on a TV display anyway

[05:26:11]

Tanthrix:

So, for 1/60 of a second you see field 1 line doubled, then the next 1/60 second you see the other half of the second field line doubled, and so on

[05:26:30]

Tanthrix:

juski: That must be it. Our brain interpolates it together.

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Tanthrix:

Since bob obviously looks twice as good as one field.

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juski:

one field is definitely halving your resolution

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Tanthrix:

I guess it's the exact same princple as interlacing isn't it? Except, instead of being offset it isn't.

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xris:

juski: that's what I meant when I said "linear blend"

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xris:

Tanthrix: bob basically takes a modern non-interlaced display and cheats to make it work like an older interlaced tv

[05:27:34]

Tanthrix:

Yah, I get it now. Thanks!

[05:28:02]

Tanthrix:

Odd to think about, that's for sure.

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Tanthrix:

(That page didn't mention the line doubling, so that was my main hang up)

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xris:

each field is resized to twice its original height

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xris:

(from your quote)

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juski:

an interesting note to add here is that I've seen a nvidia vga card's tv output flicker filter doing the job of a deinterlacer. I was playing video on an svideo out into a tv & was amazed how great the video looked despite not having enabled deinterlacing

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xris:

juski: oh? works great for me

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xris:

oh, "have" not "have not seen"

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Tanthrix:

xris: resize != line doubling, in my mind

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xris:

Tanthrix: bad wording on their part

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Tanthrix:

xris: I was imaging the actual lines being stretched to twice their size which would cause distortion I think.

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xris:

juski: I thought that the anti-flicker stuff WAS deinterlacing

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juski:

xris: it's said to reducing interlacing artifacts on graphics

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juski:

it's more a temporal averaging thing that works on horizontal lines AFAIK

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xris:

juski: no clue. I just know that it works great on non-hd stuff

[05:31:56]

juski:

at some point I plan to revist the setup & replicate it, then get it into the wiki

[05:32:26]

juski:

that is, if I can ever render this fscking video of mine without crashing the machine

[05:32:52]

xris:

:(

[05:32:55]

Tanthrix:

On an unrelated note, why does it say on the playback settings page that XvMC is not good for HD sized frames? I thought people use it all the time so that they can play back HD stuff.

[05:33:10]

Tanthrix:

juski: You mentioned that earlier – what are you working on?

[05:33:30]

juski:

Tanthrix: YMMV. more cpu is always better because xvmc has limitations

[05:33:55]

juski:

Tanthrix: a promo video in the style of the one already available from my website, but 720p this time :)

[05:33:56]

Tanthrix:

This much I know – XvMC is rubbish on my system for whatever reason.

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Tanthrix:

juski: For myth?

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juski:

yeah

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Tanthrix:

Cool, I'll have to take a look when you're done.

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xris:

Tanthrix: xvmc sucks for me, too

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hads:

Just locks the box up for me :)

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juski:

my puny 1ghz frontend can't even play back sdtv without xvmc :(

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Tanthrix:

xris: Have a VIA chipset by chance? I think it was Kormoc that told me VIA chipsets can cause problems with XvMC (and everything else it seems)

[05:35:16]

xris:

Tanthrix: nope. nvidia 5200

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juski:

ymmv with via chipsets too – I can't honestly say I've ever had bother with it

[05:35:40]

Tanthrix:

juski: That can't be right – I had a frontend for a year on a 800mhz system that that did sd stuff just fine

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hads:

My main BE/FE is a VIA chipset with Nvidia card (for the moment), it works fine as long as I'm not using XvMC.

[05:35:56]

Tanthrix:

xris: Oh! kormoc meant video cards? I thought he was talking about southbridges

[05:36:06]

Tanthrix:

xris: I've got a Geforce 4 Ti4600

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juski:

Tanthrix: yeah I have a 733mhz box that does just fine, but then it's not got a C3 CPU onboard ;)

[05:36:17]

Tanthrix:

hehe

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xris:

Tanthrix: many via motherboards (epia) have onboard video, and their own version of xvmc

[05:36:53]

Tanthrix:

xris: Yah, I knew that, but for some reason I thought kormoc was talking about pci chipsets all the same.

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juski:

I think if a Via C3 CPU was numbered in the AMD style, a 1Ghz model would be called C3X400

[05:37:11]

Tanthrix:

xris: Probably since I've heard that via pci chipsets can cause all sorts of weird bugs.

[05:37:46]

Tanthrix:

So why is experience with XvMC so varied?

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xris:

Tanthrix: no clue, there. kormoc is quite familiar with my setup, though. he would have mentioned something if he thought it was the chipset.

[05:37:54]

juski:

Tanthrix: at the end of the day it's more than likely down to manufacturers' _interpretations_ of the PCI specs

[05:38:33]

juski:

I've seen problems caused by non-spec implementations of other things so it'd not surprise me one bit if manufacturers were found to be non-standard

[05:38:42]

Tanthrix:

yah

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juski:

sata being a case in point

[05:39:44]

juski:

I'm so glad I wasn't an early adopter of that. I mean, one manufacturer of hdd controller not working with certain brands of hdd – that sort of thing is fucking ridiculous!

[05:40:00]

Tanthrix:

Don't early adopt anything. Ever.

[05:40:12]

Tanthrix:

I learned that with my iPod Nano.

[05:40:29]

Tanthrix:

Second version has twice the battery life, brighter screen, and no uber scratch problems.

[05:40:35]

BSD_Tech:

?

[05:40:39]

hadees:

is there anything i have to do to get DVB to show up in the mythtv-setup screen? I loaded the b2c2_flexcop_pci module and it seems to have loaded alright

[05:40:42]

juski:

and with pci-e everything is much closer to the wire – there's much more at stake

[05:40:58]

juski:

hadees: was mythtv built with dvb enabled?

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Tanthrix:

What do you mean by closer to the wire?

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juski:

Tanthrix: more to play for – tolerances are much less forgiving

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hadees:

juski, i thought so, i'm going to rebuild it again though (i'm on gentoo) to make sure those use flags are definitely enabled.

[05:42:07]

Tanthrix:

Ahh, gotcha.

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juski:

timing on a parallel PCI bus is all.. with serial communications like pci-e even more so

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juski:

bit of skew here, bit of skew there... oof!

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juski:

I'm sure there's a certain amount of tolerance designed into pci-e – and with good certification it shouldn't be an issue

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Tanthrix:

But then, someone has to come along to get that 1 percent speed increase at the expense of stability.

[05:45:09]

Tanthrix:

Or cheat on the spec because it's cheaper or easier, and works "most of the time'

[05:45:09]

juski:

anyway about this rendering problem.. I think I'm gonna need to do an extensive memory test

[05:45:30]

Tanthrix:

Yah, sounds like you have a hardware problem of some kind assuming you've ruled out overheating.

[05:45:47]

juski:

Tanthrix: could still be overheating

[05:46:01]

Tanthrix:

If there's one broken thing that I really do not enjoy fixing it's instability issues

[05:46:04]

juski:

Vegas is the only thing on this box that really taxes my CPU

[05:46:20]

BSD_Tech:

ok how do you know if a dvd is rippable

[05:46:22]

Tanthrix:

100 different causes, all unrelated, and often a good chance that you'll never figure it out.

[05:46:45]

juski:

Tanthrix: unless I take the base clock down to 100mhz from 133 ;)

[05:46:46]

BSD_Tech:

I want to MAKE A VIEDO LIB ON MY 400 GIG DRIVE

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Tanthrix:

Well, not a good chance, but a decent chance.

[05:47:01]

Tanthrix:

WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

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BSD_Tech:

?

[05:47:44]

juski:

BSD_Tech: most DVDs are rippable with the right lib installed on your machine

[05:48:02]

juski:

if you can play em unimpeded, you can surely rip em

[05:48:10]

Tanthrix:

All should be rippable

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BSD_Tech:

well the mythdvdripper sucks then

[05:48:17]

Tanthrix:

Oh, you mean with mythdvdripper

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Tanthrix:

Never used that.

[05:48:22]

BSD_Tech:

yes

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juski:

ah you mean you suck at configuring the dvd ripper

[05:48:33]

BSD_Tech:

coming to find it sucks

[05:48:50]

BSD_Tech:

I fallowed the dweb page for it

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BSD_Tech:

and the mtd is running

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juski:

and?

[05:49:40]

juski:

it 'just fails therefore it sucks cuz it didn't read my mind' ?

[05:49:49]

Tanthrix:

juski: Anyway, time for you to break out memtest I think. Good starting point, anyway. Though I'd pop open the case (if it isn't already) and just give the heatsink a feel.

[05:50:12]

juski:

Tanthrix: maybe that's the problem – the heatsink not getting enough heat ;)

[05:50:23]

juski:

time to download a monitoring prog

[05:50:47]

Tanthrix:

Put a big desk fan next to your open case – it will do wonders.

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BSD_Tech:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythDVD

[05:51:43]

BSD_Tech:

I have tried 11 dvds and none would rip

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juski:

BSD_Tech: okay but that still doesn't give us any insight

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Tanthrix:

BSD_Tech: Obviously something is wrong then. It's not the DVDs.

[05:52:10]

juski:

is the directory it's trying to write to actually writable by the user mtd is running as hmm?

[05:52:20]

Tanthrix:

BSD_Tech: DVDs are all mastered to the same spec, so barring disc problems or improper mastering they should all rip.

[05:52:43]

Tanthrix:

BSD_Tech: You need to see what myth is telling you when you try and rip. It's probably all in the logs

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hads:

You also need a little disk space :)

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juski:

jesus. my +5v rail is sitting at 4.84

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juski:

that's in spec, but at idle

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BSD_Tech:

ok you have a title on your dvd in a format myth doesnt understand

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juski:

BSD_Tech: que?

[05:54:15]

Tanthrix:

juski: On my latest system I actually spent $70 to buy a nice power supply instead of using ones I pulled from random systems.

[05:54:16]

BSD_Tech:

it say to install dvdinput teble

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juski:

BSD_Tech: what? pastebin the log

[05:54:51]

Tanthrix:

juski: I used to not care, but I'm now convinced that good power is important for general stability. Seen some systems do some odd things that were resolved purely by swapping out power supplies.

[05:54:52]

BSD_Tech:

thats what showed up on the root screen

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hads:

I've got two Silverstone PSUs now. They seems reasonable

[05:55:01]

BSD_Tech:

I hti ctl-alt-f1

[05:55:08]

BSD_Tech:

and thats whats on the screen

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juski:

BSD_Tech: pastebin the log

[05:55:11]

juski:

BSD_Tech: pastebin the log

[05:55:34]

Tanthrix:

In any case, I think it's just important to buy a PSU separately for over $50. One that comes with a $30–40 case is probably going to suck.

[05:56:13]

hads:

Most likely

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juski:

if this monitoring app is telling the truth, I should be worried

[05:56:34]

juski:

cpu temp is 92'C

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Tanthrix:

Holy jesus

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hads:

That's warm

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BSD_Tech:

time to water cool it

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hadees:

or cook an egg

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juski:

quite

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juski:

brb

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hads:

My laptop shut's itself down at 95'c

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juski:

cpu temp is now 39'c with the case side off

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juski:

no way was it over 90 though – the heatsink only felt warm

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Tanthrix:

I hear a lot of people say that having the case closed is better for air flow when setup properly, but I don't buy it.

[06:02:06]

juski:

when setup properly YES

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BSD_Tech:

getting the log

[06:02:16]

juski:

i.e. when you have case fans in the right places

[06:02:22]

juski:

facing the right way

[06:02:26]

Tanthrix:

While it may be better for air flow I don't think it's better for overall temperature

[06:02:37]

juski:

this box is noisy enough, so I opted for no extra fans

[06:02:46]

Tanthrix:

Having lots of room temperature air inches from the CPU is a better way to go

[06:03:01]

Tanthrix:

(Cases with CPU ducts are the best of both worlds)

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xris:

Tanthrix: depends on the fans

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juski:

it's under the desk anyway.. never see it :)

[06:03:07]

BSD_Tech:

bad destination dir in job request

[06:03:12]

BSD_Tech:

thats the error

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juski:

BSD_Tech: there ya go

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juski:

so either the dir doesn't exist or there are insufficient privileges to write to the dir

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hound:

Tanthrix, but by "lots" of room air it's more like just the air close by since there's less air flow. I would think having new room temperature air flowing through the case would be better.

[06:04:33]

Tanthrix:

BSD_Tech: You seriously tried 11 dvds before thinking something might be wrong? You've got some serious patience.

[06:04:41]

BSD_Tech:

yes

[06:05:02]

BSD_Tech:

I work in customer support you learn to have aptient

[06:05:13]

Tanthrix:

Among amother things ;)

[06:05:39]

hadees:

are you supposed to run channel_icons.pl on the backend or frontend?

[06:05:44]

juski:

whoah this render is flying compared to what it was doing before. my poor ickle cpu must've been going beserk with all the heat

[06:06:03]

BSD_Tech:

it trys to use /share

[06:06:15]

BSD_Tech:

I left it to its default setting

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BSD_Tech:

grrr

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juski:

xris: I think the vid might just happen after all ;)

[06:06:33]

BSD_Tech:

it sotres in the/video right

[06:06:53]

juski:

cpu is now a very realistic 52'C :)

[06:07:01]

BSD_Tech:

or should it store in videos

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Tanthrix:

juski: So why no 1080P version? ;)

[06:07:04]

juski:

er... 83'C

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juski:

Tanthrix: cos I'll have to upload it somewhere

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xris:

juski: cool

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juski:

jees! 87'C?! wtf?!!!!

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Tanthrix:

And you're sure it's not lying?

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juski:

says the motherboard temp is 46

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BSD_Tech:

ok where do I setup the rip dir

[06:08:22]

Tanthrix:

Even metal on metal (no thermal goo) should still transfer enough heat to make the heatsink uber hot if it's actually that hot

[06:08:54]

juski:

this can't be right. an athlon would be dead at 97'C

[06:09:10]

juski:

er.. 100'C

[06:09:24]

Tanthrix:

Bah at Athlons. Every Athlon I've ever had has been way too damn hot.

[06:09:34]

** Tanthrix pats his nice new Core 2 Duo system **

[06:09:47]

juski:

does 'Fresh Devices' have shares in fancy cooling system manufacturers or what?!

[06:10:37]

BSD_Tech:

I cant find where to set the dir

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Tanthrix:

BSD_Tech: Can you not just set it to whatever the hell you want it to be?

[06:10:57]

juski:

BSD_Tech: I think it might try to rip to your mythvideo dir

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Tanthrix:

Oh, misread that. Sorry.

[06:12:47]

BSD_Tech:

it trys to use /share/movies/dvd for holding videos

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juski:

you can specify where to hold temporary files for ripping in mythfrontend utils/setup>setup>media settings>dvd>rip settings

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BSD_Tech:

I found it

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BSD_Tech:

I found it under general settings

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juski:

hmm I reckon I should download Gigabyte's monitoring utility

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juski:

I should be able to trust theirs

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BSD_Tech:

hmm sould I just use the home dir to store them temp ?

[06:14:37]

rtsai:

anyone use myth2ipod? I just got an iPod (I think I am the last person on the planet who didn't have one) and was wondering how big the iPod transcodes are.

[06:15:02]

juski:

BSD_Tech: wherever you have lots of free space would be good

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BSD_Tech:

ok

[06:15:50]

juski:

anyway whatever the cpu temperature truly is, the render has progressed to over 20% without failing yet

[06:16:08]

juski:

I forgot I'd put the case side on again.. DUH

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juski:

oh you EVIL, evil fuckers. making me use IE to download a utility

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BSD_Tech:

ok its working

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BSD_Tech:

cool that was the issue

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juski:

BSD_Tech: in future, look in ze logz first :)

[06:19:21]

BSD_Tech:

after it ripps it moves them right

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BSD_Tech:

lol

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juski:

I think that's how it goes

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BSD_Tech:

from now on I will

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BSD_Tech:

ook

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BSD_Tech:

well its going

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BSD_Tech:

I have 133 viedos to rip

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BSD_Tech:

I will be busy

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juski:

40 minutes to render a 4 minute video at 720x576 in mpeg2 in draft quality.. ffs

[06:21:34]

BSD_Tech:

wow

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juski:

yeah but there _are_ like 9 tracks of video

[06:22:06]

juski:

alpha fades, resizing 720p source material..

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BSD_Tech:

ahh ok

[06:22:39]

BSD_Tech:

this is a test box

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BSD_Tech:

its afront and back end in 1

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juski:

plus I've never been sure shifting the rendering quality down speeds it up much

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BSD_Tech:

but I pan to get a full server and then make a backend server

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juski:

I tried a full pc in the livingroom once

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juski:

had to turn the amp up loud to drown it out, so didn't do it again

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juski:

there's a new box I've got at work.. dead quiet at idle but as soon as you start burning cycles... listen to that leafblower go!

[06:25:15]

BSD_Tech:

mine is a fanless system

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LoneShadow:

where does mythvideo store all video's folder, category ?

[06:25:20]

BSD_Tech:

its quiet

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juski:

despite its limitations I love how quiet my frontend is

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juski:

LoneShadow: que?

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Tanthrix:

juski: My computer / TV room was getting too hot because of my systems so I cut a 2x2 inch whole in the wall, put a nice oak frame and channel around it, then put the computers in the adjacenent room's closet.

[06:26:05]

LoneShadow:

I want to move a bunch of movies from root folder into sub-folders based on category

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juski:

mythvideo stuff is kept where you tell it to keep stuff. all the metadata like categories & crap is stored in the database

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juski:

LoneShadow: you can't

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Tanthrix:

juski: Zero noise, zero heat, no performance compromise ;)

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LoneShadow:

cant I move the files and modify the database externally ?

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juski:

oops you can but it'd be the same amount of work to set categories in the database & filter based on that in mythvideo

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juski:

Tanthrix: sounds messy

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juski:

plus I can't do that.. the adjacent room is a corridoor, or outside the house ;)

[06:27:44]

LoneShadow:

basically I want to write a script or something which based on category prepends folder names

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BSD_Tech:

ok night and thanks

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juski:

LoneShadow: you don't need to

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Tanthrix:

juski: I built a nice oak frame on each side of the wall, as well as an oak channel (a box with no top or bottom) in the wall itself, so it looks quite nice.

[06:28:30]

juski:

LoneShadow: you can easily make dirs with category names & put your videos inside that, then enable file browsing in mythvideo

[06:28:38]

Tanthrix:

juski: Both my main system and my myth system put out a ton of heat together. Best thing I ever did, moving them into the other room.

[06:28:51]

LoneShadow:

yea, but I will have to redo all the meta data =/

[06:29:18]

LoneShadow:

juski: I am trying not to loose the imdb info

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juski:

I've pondered making my backend into the main frontend, sending video & audio down my cat5 cabling and shoving the IR up cat5

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juski:

LoneShadow: so put your videos into categories within mythvideo

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juski:

or else you'll have to get busy with some scripting

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juski:

or mysql-fu

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LoneShadow:

I should have created sub folders to begin with, didnt realize I would end up with so many videos :D

[06:31:31]

Tanthrix:

LoneShadow: I just use mythvideo as a file browser, so I have my /MythVideo folder and then inside of that I put symlinks to various other folders and network shares.

[06:31:49]

LoneShadow:

I wonder if it makes sense to have a video.meta along with video.avi, and the video.meta could hold "imdb:###.."

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Tanthrix:

And I have metadata turned off, so it loads nice and quick.

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LoneShadow:

would be a nice feature for mythvideo :D

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LoneShadow:

Tanthrix: dont you have images bound to the video files ? are you just go by thier names ?

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hads:

LoneShadow: You know about find_meta.py in trunk?

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Tanthrix:

LoneShadow: I just go by titles. I have *vast* amounts of movies / tv shows, so it would take me years to get graphics for everything. In my opinion, it's not worth the trouble.

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Tanthrix:

LoneShadow: As long as you organize everything nicely with symlinks and stuff then it's neat enough and quick enough to access that anything else is just fluff.

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LoneShadow:

hads: havnt looked at the file, only played around with imdb.pl

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juski:

I'm a bit disappointed by how slow the gallery & browse mode are on my frontend

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Tanthrix:

juski: It's probably because of how long it takes to consult the db.

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hads:

LoneShadow: Check out find_meta.py – it can either create .meta files for your videos or directly insert the data into the db for you.

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Tanthrix:

juski: Since I had thousands of videos it took like 3–4 minutes on my system. Then I talked to a very nice dev (I can't remember who!) and he wrote an option in to get rid of the database part

[06:35:37]

hads:

It uses imdbpy.py too which handles episodes not just movies.

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LoneShadow:

hads: is that under mythplugins ?

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hads:

LoneShadow: Yeah, it's in trunk. in the scripts dir of mythvideo

[06:36:29]

LoneShadow:

hmm

[06:36:47]

LoneShadow:

so I guess my svn checkout is not the trunk version

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hads:

svn info will tell you.

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LoneShadow:

URL: http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . /mythplugins

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hads:

Yeah, .20-fixes

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Tanthrix:

Anyone venture a guess about how large an x264 file of a 720x480 MPEG2 44 minute TV show would be encoded at a setting that it is high enough to be mostly indistinuishable from the original?

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hads:

LoneShadow: It's probably best to stick with that unless you know what you are getting yourself into./

[06:38:16]

hads:

Until .12 is released

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hads:

erm.. 0.21

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LoneShadow:

what is that script meant for ?

[06:40:04]

hads:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . find_meta.py

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LoneShadow:

hads: nice, just what I need :D

[06:42:08]

hads:

It works really well for me.

[06:42:26]

LoneShadow:

does it work on .20-fixes ?

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visit0r:

yes

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hads:

No idea sorry.

[06:42:42]

hads:

Oh, well yes then :)

[06:42:51]

visit0r:

I wrote it primarily for 0.20-fixes, actually, I don't know does it work for trunk that well ;-)

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hads:

visit0r: You wrote it?

[06:43:14]

visit0r:

yes

[06:43:20]

hads:

Well thanks!

[06:43:29]

visit0r:

glad you found it useful!

[06:43:35]

hads:

Very.

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LoneShadow:

visit0r: nice work :)

[06:44:00]

visit0r:

thanks!

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LoneShadow:

now I guess I can move the movies into proper sub-folders and run your script :D

[06:44:19]

hads:

visit0r: I contribbed the little patch to change the title format. I was thinking of submitting another to do the same thing if a config file is found.

[06:44:28]

hads:

Save me editing it all the time :)

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visit0r:

hads: ok, good job :) which config file you mean?

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juski:

hmm I still need to represent commercial skipping in this video

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hads:

I was thinking of just trying to open a file in ~/.mythtv/MythVideo/ and changing the format if one is found in there.

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juski:

bah I'll just mock it up like I did with PiP :)

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visit0r:

hads: hmm, I think Anduin already commited your patch

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visit0r:

hads: if you mean the append zeroes to episode and season number?

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hads:

Na, earlier than taht. One sec.

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visit0r:

hmmh

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hads:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3123

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hads:

It's been included for a while

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visit0r:

ah that one

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visit0r:

yep, why not a config file

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juski:

database == good. flat files == bad

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visit0r:

or just a command line switch

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hads:

Save people (me :) editing the script all the time

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hads:

juski: It's not really part of mythtv proper though.

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juski:

or rather, database == good – when the database is big & you don't try to load all the info at once ;)

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visit0r:

hmm yes, settings table could be used also

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visit0r:

actually that could be the best option

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hads:

True, but you'd have to adjust the setting manually.

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hads:

Not that that's a big deal.

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visit0r:

yep, but who knows if in the future there's some generic edit settings table GUI or something

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visit0r:

I'd use the table or a cmd line switch

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hads:

OK cool. I wasn't sure if people would like random scripts adding things to the settings table or not :)

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visit0r:

hmm I guess it's OK

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juski:

in the case of ready-rolled mythtv distro, you could just dictate a lot of stuff & remove the settings options

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hads:

It's probably easier than writing out to a config file since you have the db stuff in there already.

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juski:

wonder how many knoppmyth users change the default locations for file storage, for example

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LoneShadow:

is there a way to just check out find_meta.pl without checking out the whole trunk using svn ?

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hads:

LoneShadow: it's .py and just grab it (and the deps) from svn.mythtv.org

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juski:

LoneShadow: just grab it from the webpage

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LoneShadow:

I did grab it from the webpage, its a lil clumsy :D

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visit0r:

hads: yep

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juski:

you can get the original file without any formatting

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hads:

Or I guess you could checkout the scripts directory if you really wanted.

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juski:

four and a half mins left on this render.. yay!

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juski:

178MB so far..

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** hads is off to make dinner **

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juski:

how long have I been up today? feel like I need to go back to bed already

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LoneShadow:

hads: whats new in .21 ?

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hatredx:

version number

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LoneShadow:

o.O

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hatredx:

try the changelog

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visit0r:

hads: you can edit the settings table at MythWEB, so just make the setting 'Value' descriptive then it should be OK

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juski:

xris: uploading a draft of the vid now

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xris:

juski: send me a link and I'll take a look

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hads:

LoneShadow: Yeah, the wiki has a good changelog

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hads:

visit0r: Yes, good point. I'll whip up a patch when I have a minute.

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lir1:

LoneShadow: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.21

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LoneShadow:

lir1: yea was looking at it, thanks anyway

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Tanthrix:

Bah. Converting mpeg2 to x264 is an insanely laborious process

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lir1:

LoneShadow: sure thing.

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LoneShadow:

Tanthrix: took 8 hours to convert a dvd into 600MB x264 on a AMD 3000+

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Tanthrix:

Tanthrix: Damn, that's a long time.

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tank-man:

what resolution?

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tank-man:

i can convert to x264 for psp screen resolution faster than realtime

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Dagmar:

'cuz it's a tiny little screen

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tank-man:

368x208

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Tanthrix:

LoneShadow: Looks like it's going to take 1 hour to do a 44 minute TV episode on my Core 2 Duo E6400 system.

[07:44:58]

Tanthrix:

Er, I lie.

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tank-man:

to what resolution/bitrate?

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tank-man:

i got a amd x2 4600+,2gig ram :)

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tank-man:

ffmpeg only uses one core tho :(

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hadees:

I am getting this error when i try to use scan in mythtv-setup for my air2pc rev 3 card

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hadees:

DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 0

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hadees:

i am trying to do qam

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Solv:

I've got a problem with mythdvd. I have tweaked my TV playback toi optimum performance using xvmc and that runs great now. But with that selected mythdvd is next to useless. I have figured out that mplayer is set to use X11, and on it's own it plays perfectly, and if I change the output to xvmc in mplayer i get an error....so....just wondering what the solution is?

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juski:

Solv: use xine to play dvds instead of 'Internal' then

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Solv:

juski, mplayer in myth uses the same controls on my remote as tv...can i set this in xine?

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juski:

yup

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Solv:

okay...i just thought of another thing, i sohuld be able to run mplayer as a command and tell it to use the x11 driver...i'm wondering if it is trying to use the xvmc driver or something?

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Tanthrix:

This is looking pretty crappy at 1800mbps

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sid3windr:

1800mbps ?!

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Tanthrix:

Hehehe

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Tanthrix:

Yah, I'm encoding at a resolution of 160000x900000 ;)

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Tanthrix:

(1.8mbps being what I meant to say)

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jvs:

good morning everybody

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blackest:

hi I keep losing connection with mythbackend any idea's why and how to stop this happening

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juski:

wireless network?

[10:37:22]

juski:

mysql staying up? is mythbackend staying up?

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juski:

need input!

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blackest:

ok sorry just running throu the troubleshooting section

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blackest:

ok well on my xbox last night (wired) it just lost contact with it

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blackest:

mythbackend claims to be running if you try to start it manually

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juski:

I'm never surpised when the xbmcmythtv scripts lose the plot

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blackest:

i was just watching tv with it and it lost contact

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blackest:

but my laptop couldnt connect either

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juski:

so did the backend crash?

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juski:

my 1st bet would be that it only crashes when you're using the xbmc scripts

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blackest:

well it doesnt appear to have theres nothing in the log file

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juski:

there aren't many things that can make the backend crash

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blackest:

I was wondering if it had decided to do some transcoding maybe

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juski:

jobs shouldn't be able to crash the backend either

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juski:

unless the whole machine is falling over

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blackest:

well thats not true I run zoneminder and that was still running

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juski:

time to break out the verbose logging then

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blackest:

mythweb couldnt connect this morning

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juski:

you can either stop the init script & run mythbackend manually with verbose logging or else edit the init script

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juski:

then you have to use a process of elimination to find out what's up

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blackest:

edit the init script sounds like a good idea

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juski:

my BE sometimes stops for no apparent reason. never did on gentoo, but there are too many variables still

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blackest:

it did work fine on a previous install on edgy but i had this problem on feisty and with that and some other problems reverted to edgy again

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blackest:

ok so where is the init scrip /ect/mythtv/init.d ?

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planktonboy:

hi all

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blackest:

hmm not there

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planktonboy:

hi blackest..what you lookig for

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planktonboy:

looking I mean :)

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blackest:

well juski said i should turn on verbose logging on the backend but i don't know where

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planktonboy:

ah

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blackest:

should be /ect/init.d/mythbackend ?

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blackest:

mythtv-backend

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planktonboy:

yup on my ubuntu version that is correct

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planktonboy:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

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planktonboy:

you can't find it there on your machine then?

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blackest:

well found mythtv-backend now but where do i add verbose ?

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blackest:

USER=mythtv

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blackest:

RUNDIR=/var/run/mythtv

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blackest:

ARGS="--daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile $RUNDIR/$NAME.pid"

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blackest:

EXTRA_ARGS=""

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blackest:

NICE=0

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blackest:

extra args ?

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planktonboy:

you need to run it as mythtv-backend --verbose I think

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planktonboy:

but then again I might be wrong

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blackest:

but that would mean everytime a manual start

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planktonboy:

yeah...hmm..not sure

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planktonboy:

I will have a search of google and mythtv.org to see if I can find a way to help you

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blackest:

ok me too

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planktonboy:

any joy

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planktonboy:

I cant find anything that answers the question yet

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blackest:

no not in any howto's lots of people saying they are going to turn on verbose logging but not saying how

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planktonboy:

yeah

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planktonboy:

Ive done that for the frontend before from terminal

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planktonboy:

by using mythfrontend -v

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planktonboy:

I would have thought that would be the same sort of thing for mythtv-backend

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planktonboy:

but then agsain |i might be completely wrong

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

damn my typing is bad tday

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planktonboy:

a bit hung over

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blackest:

USER=mythtv

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blackest:

RUNDIR=/var/run/mythtv

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blackest:

ARGS="--verbose --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile $RUNDIR/$NAME.pid"

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blackest:

EXTRA_ARGS=""

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blackest:

NICE=0

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blackest:

hopefully that might work

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blackest:

nope

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planktonboy:

did you try seeing the different verbose debug help infos

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blackest:

?? no

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planktonboy:

mythtv-backend -v help

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planktonboy:

run that in terminal

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blackest:

command not found

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planktonboy:

mythbackend --help

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planktonboy:

try that

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planktonboy:

what distro are you using

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planktonboy:

sorry I cant be more helpful

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blackest:

its on edgy

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blackest:

thanks for trying

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planktonboy:

ah me too

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blackest:

do you have mythweb working ?

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planktonboy:

yes

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blackest:

i finally got that going yesterday

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blackest:

another thing to drive you mental

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blackest:

any idea how to reimport past recordings or get myth to play mp3's

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planktonboy:

everything works great for me except for 1 thing that I have given up on and that is I cant watch channel 4 tv in England

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blackest:

strange i get it ok

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planktonboy:

myth can play mp3s from mythmusic plugin

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planktonboy:

yeah i can record channel4 ok but it just doesnt play them using the internal myth player

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planktonboy:

so I have to convert them to video dir and watch in xine

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blackest:

does mythmusic plugin go on the backend or the frontend

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planktonboy:

but I can live with that :)

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planktonboy:

frontend

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blackest:

so i need it on all my frontends

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planktonboy:

i not sure how to reimport past recordings..but you can use mytharchive to import certain recordings I am sure

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planktonboy:

again that is a plugin that runs in the frontend

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blackest:

ok i will try and add them on here and see what happens

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planktonboy:

not neccessarily

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planktonboy:

I have 1 machine that is both front and backend

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planktonboy:

and another hat is only frontend

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planktonboy:

and on that machine i dont have most plugins but yes I could add them

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planktonboy:

if I wanted t listen to mp3s or such

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blackest:

well i was using mediamvp downstairs and that connected to slimserver using mplayer

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planktonboy:

did you read this guide for edgy mythtv

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blackest:

which one ?

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planktonboy:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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planktonboy:

very good guide

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planktonboy:

and the one I followed for setting up my system here

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blackest:

the mediamvp would play recordings with its mythfrontend version

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blackest:

i used mostly the ubuntu community docs version

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planktonboy:

and the chap whose guide it is , Garry, has a blog if you get stuck on some questions. He is really helpful too

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blackest:

i've replaced the mediamvp with an xbox now its better for mythtv but now i dont have the slimserver functionality

[11:27:46]

planktonboy:

a decent bloke

[11:28:17]

planktonboy:

ah

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blackest:

if you have a hacked xbox it makes a good front end it runs xebian so its fairly easy

[11:29:42]

planktonboy:

yeah I read about that

[11:29:56]

planktonboy:

unfortunately |I dont have xbox

[11:30:04]

planktonboy:

or playstation :(

[11:30:18]

planktonboy:

but

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blackest:

cheap enough now mine was £60 about a year or two ago

[11:30:32]

planktonboy:

I just ordered a 42" lcd tv

[11:30:42]

planktonboy:

yeah Imight get one

[11:30:56]

blackest:

just make sure its an early version

[11:30:59]

planktonboy:

but ps3 might be in order soon

[11:31:15]

planktonboy:

after I read a bit more on the pros cons etc

[11:31:48]

planktonboy:

just ordered a sharp LC42XD1E

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planktonboy:

so hopefully it will be an ok one

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blackest:

sounds nice i went for an lcd projector about 300 i paid

[11:32:35]

planktonboy:

some users have had probs with banding on their tv's so I will have to check

[11:32:54]

planktonboy:

that sound cool

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blackest:

its not bad but its not ideal for everyday use but i like it :)

[11:33:22]

planktonboy:

a friend of mine has an lcd projector

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planktonboy:

yeah

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planktonboy:

what graphics card you use

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blackest:

for what ?

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planktonboy:

I am uing nvidia MX440-SE, but thinking of getting a 6200

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planktonboy:

using even :)

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blackest:

i've got a radeon 9200se on the backend this laptop uses 915 intel

[11:35:25]

planktonboy:

the 6200 has DVI connector and runs at full 1080p resolution I believe which would be good for using with the sharp

[11:35:33]

planktonboy:

ah

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blackest:

the projector will take most anything

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blackest:

just going to see what i have on this frontend back in 5

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planktonboy:

sure

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blackest:

hmm plugin looks ok but its on the wrong pc :) lots of stuff on the backend but it only looks on my laptop

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blackest:

i guess i will have to add plugins to the frontend there and get stuff imported

[11:42:26]

planktonboy:

how do you mean

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planktonboy:

it only looks on our laptop

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planktonboy:

your

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blackest:

well i installed mythplugins on my laptop which is just a front end

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planktonboy:

yup

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blackest:

but the music is all on my backend but it doesnt see anything there

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planktonboy:

hm

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planktonboy:

whicxh plign in particular

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planktonboy:

plugin even

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blackest:

the music plugin

[11:44:06]

planktonboy:

ah

[11:44:27]

planktonboy:

let me add that to my laptop frontend and see if its the same

[11:44:35]

blackest:

archive see's my recent recordings on the backend

[11:44:39]

planktonboy:

also you could use mythweb

[11:44:48]

blackest:

can i ?

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planktonboy:

sure

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planktonboy:

its one of the buttons on the top of mythweb page

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blackest:

hmm you mean like the weather tv and settings?

[11:52:44]

blackest:

i've got 3 buttons on the top

[11:56:19]

planktonboy:

sorry...just had an accident here

[11:56:28]

blackest:

mythfrontend is coming out with some funny error messages

[11:56:37]

planktonboy:

girlffriend put washing up liquid in the dish washer

[11:56:47]

planktonboy:

all the kitchen is full of foam

[11:56:49]

planktonboy:

LOL

[11:56:52]

blackest:

playlist.o: Oh crap ... how did we get something with an ID of 0 on a playlist?

[11:56:55]

planktonboy:

anyway

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blackest:

be very careful with the dishwasher there is a reset when it over foams but its very dodgy

[11:58:10]

planktonboy:

ah cheers

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planktonboy:

will look at that

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blackest:

it will vent into the bottom of the machine

[11:58:36]

planktonboy:

anyway..back to myth :)

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planktonboy:

hehe

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planktonboy:

yeah cheers mate

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blackest:

but there is a problem if you tilt the machine it will reset but the motor is under there and it is likely to get wet then if you turn it on it will go bang

[11:59:13]

planktonboy:

yeah?

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blackest:

its stupid really they sit a motor just millimeters above a tin tray bottom

[11:59:52]

planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

thanks for the warning

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planktonboy:

will look in a min

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blackest:

i killed my dishwasher motor that way cost me £80 for a new one

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planktonboy:

anyway

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planktonboy:

on mythweb

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planktonboy:

yeah

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planktonboy:

there should be a button for mythmusic

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blackest:

and there isnt

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planktonboy:

you have mythweb installed on the backend machine yeah?

[12:02:11]

planktonboy:

and logging into that from the laptop

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blackest:

yep

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blackest:

if you want i can port forward and you can see for yourself

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planktonboy:

thats ok

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blackest:

http://www.consulate.servebbs.com/mythweb

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planktonboy:

ok will try :)

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blackest:

not leaving that open for long :/

[12:04:54]

planktonboy:

no

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planktonboy:

cool

[12:06:33]

planktonboy:

you like rising damp too

[12:06:37]

planktonboy:

was a great comedy

[12:06:46]

blackest:

lol yes

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planktonboy:

right

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blackest:

its only been up since yesterday

[12:07:07]

planktonboy:

:)

[12:07:10]

planktonboy:

ok

[12:07:21]

planktonboy:

do you have a symlink to your mythmusic dir

[12:07:28]

crash-x:

i updated to svn after a long time and now I cant use the plugins anymore

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crash-x:

i always get errors like this:

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crash-x:

2007-04–14 14:07:11.445 VideoDialog: Couldn't find your theme. I'm outta here (browser-video-ui)

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crash-x:

does someone know a solution?

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blackest:

probably not

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crash-x:

that sucks

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crash-x:

looks like i miss themes for the plugins

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crash-x:

:/

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blackest:

sorry crashx was talking to planktonboy

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blackest:

was refering to symlink

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crash-x:

oh :) np

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planktonboy:

crashx...sorry mate

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planktonboy:

I am also a newbie

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crash-x:

heh np np

[12:10:05]

planktonboy:

looks like its searching in the wrong path

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planktonboy:

when you installed myththemes svn did you configure the same prefix as mythtv and mythplugins svn

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planktonboy:

ie prefix=/use/local or something like that

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planktonboy:

just an idea but might be it

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planktonboy:

but thats all I =can think of...I installed my myth from deb packages so havent used svn yet apart from looking at it

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crash-x:

yup i did :/

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planktonboy:

ah

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planktonboy:

not sure...sorry...but def some one in here will be able to help ...when they are around

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gardengnome:

re

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crash-x:

ok

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crash-x:

thanks :)

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planktonboy:

blackest ...re mythweb on your backend setup

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planktonboy:

hi gardengnome

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planktonboy:

look on this page tawards the end there is a section on setting up mythweb

[12:15:11]

planktonboy:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu2.php

[12:16:12]

planktonboy:

in order to get it working there has to be a symlink in the mythweb dir to the folder where you store your music

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planktonboy:

have a look in your /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data/ dir

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blackest:

ah so i just click on my music folder create alink then paste it into mythweb/data

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planktonboy:

I did it from terminal

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blackest:

whats the command to make a symlink

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pat_:

ln -s source dest

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planktonboy:

yup

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blackest:

got a problem the music is coming up in mythweb but i dont have permission to access the files

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pat_:

mythweb, you'll need to know the user it runs as

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pat_:

under ubuntu/debian it is www-data

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pat_:

so make sure the user/group can access the files

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planktonboy:

yeah read that page link I gave you above

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planktonboy:

there are some comands you need to run there in order to set up mythweb so that it can see you music folder etc

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planktonboy:

as pat says

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

thanks pat for helping...I am still a bit new to this too

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planktonboy:

so good to have someone else make sure I wasnt talking rubbish :)

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pat_:

I'm not sure what you're doing, I never bothered to read back

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planktonboy:

any luck blackest

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planktonboy:

pat..blackest is trying to get mythweb to view and play from his mythmusic dir on the backend

[12:32:22]

planktonboy:

and other stuff I think

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blackest:

getting there its got a lot of file permissions to change

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pat_:

chmod -R 644 *

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pat_:

chown -R user.group *

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pat_:

-R is recursive

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blackest:

ok so if the folder is /media/hdc1/mediashare

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pat_:

are you changing the group to www-data?

[12:36:24]

pat_:

or letting anybody read all the files?

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blackest:

letting anybody

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pat_:

chmod -R 777 /media/hdc1/mediashare

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pat_:

or something similar :)

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pat_:

that will make all files and directories under that point world read/writeable

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blackest:

still not there, mythweb isnt giving access

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pat_:

personally I've never used mythmusic

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planktonboy:

blackest is it giving access to other things such as recordings

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planktonboy:

or just music that is not giving access

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planktonboy:

from within mythweb that is

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planktonboy:

according to http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu2.php

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planktonboy:

If you have access problems, Make sure the db_password in /var/www/mythweb/.htaccess is the same as the DBPassword in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt.

[12:41:46]

planktonboy:

You may also have to change the access permissions of some of the directories:

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planktonboy:

sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data

[12:41:46]

planktonboy:

sudo chmod 775 /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data

[12:41:46]

planktonboy:

sudo chmod +t /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data

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planktonboy:

sudo chmod 777 /var/lib/mythtv

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blackest:

ok so far it now gives me access to music via mythfrontend on the combined backend frontend server

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blackest:

that took a while as it had to make a fairly large database

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planktonboy:

and make sure before you do that that the symlinks in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data point to your correct data dirs

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blackest:

hopefully with the chmod there will be permissions ok for everyone and right now since mythweb is public i have just enabled access to over 5000 mp3 files :/

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planktonboy:

can i try again to access your server]

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blackest:

sure

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blackest:

http://www.consulate.servebbs.com/mythweb

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planktonboy:

hmm

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planktonboy:

can see music list on mythweb

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planktonboy:

but cannot play files

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pat_:

what error does it give?

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juski:

wheee I have a chainsaw :D

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planktonboy:

permissions error

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blackest:

Forbidden You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/music/dvd3/Genesis 32 cds-1 of 3 – 13 cds/Genesis 32 cds-1 of 3 – 13 cds/1977 Seconds Out/Seconds Out, Disc 2/01 – Supper's Ready.mp3 on this server. Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

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planktonboy:

hi juski

[12:49:07]

planktonboy:

cool

[12:49:22]

planktonboy:

juski chainsaw massacre

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pat_:

how's that go, who can fix it, juski can. if juski can't no-one can.

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juski:

blackest: you've unintentionally installed the MythMusicTaste plugin

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planktonboy:

pat yup....he's THE MAN

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planktonboy:

:)

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juski:

by default it doesn't allow you to play any music featuring Phil Collins

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pat_:

how's that for a vote of confidence

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planktonboy:

helped me out several times

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planktonboy:

juski..LOL

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blackest:

lol

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juski:

blackest: so er.. anyway – you need to fix the permissions on the symlink so the www-data user can access it

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blackest:

um yep there is some good stuff in there honest

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juski:

anyway I g2g take this saw back. it's not worky :(

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blackest:

actually now the remote frontend see's the music just cant play it

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planktonboy:

juski yeah they can be real tempermental

[12:52:45]

planktonboy:

chainsaws

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juski:

blackest: so the perms are broken again but the other way ;)

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juski:

fix em so both users can access the files

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planktonboy:

working

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planktonboy:

blackes thats it

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blackest:

fixed it :)

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planktonboy:

blackest even :(

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planktonboy:

damnit

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planktonboy:

I mean :)

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planktonboy:

yup

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blackest:

all i needed to do is copy my simlink to data and then give it to www-data

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planktonboy:

better disable your port forward now

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blackest:

i guess you can download from the music page now lol

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planktonboy:

yup

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planktonboy:

youve got a few files there

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blackest:

just a few

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blackest:

thanks for your help

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planktonboy:

no worries

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planktonboy:

thats what its all about :0

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blackest:

still got to suss why the backend falls over late at night

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pat_:

mine was falling over sometimes, so I just run "/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start > /dev/null

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pat_:

" every 15 minutes to restart the backend :)

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blackest:

its not quite so simple as it claims to be running

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blackest:

wouldnt that wreck recordings anyway ?

[13:17:48]

planktonboy:

does anyone know how I can set an SB Live 5.1 so that the rear and centre speakers can also be volume controlled from mythfrontend

[13:18:08]

pat_:

blackest: if it claims it is already running, it won't try to start it again

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planktonboy:

at the moment it only controls the volume for the left and right speaker

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pat_:

it only tries to start it when it isn't actually running

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blackest:

hmm i may try that

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planktonboy:

pat thats a good tip

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planktonboy:

thanks

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planktonboy:

will remember that one

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pat_:

xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0

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pat_:

while : ; do mythfrontend ; done

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pat_:

and that script starts the frontend

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pat_:

and restarts it when it exits or dies

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pat_:

I run a shell as well so I can switch to it if I need to do anything else

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planktonboy:

ok gotta go...later pat, blackest and all :))

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planktonboy:

have a good one :))

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pat_:

hmm, my wife just said that she could install and set up mythtv and our server, but is too lazy, and why bother when she has me.

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pat_:

(she's the one with the IT degree)

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planktonboy:

haha

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planktonboy:

:)

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pat_:

she is currently watching the simpsons via tapeworm on her windows box

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planktonboy:

cool

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planktonboy:

yeah I need to set that up sometime

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planktonboy:

oh one thing

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planktonboy:

can you look at the bottom of this page and tell me what that means exactly...its to do with an svn trac ticket

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planktonboy:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2307#comment:2

[13:26:56]

planktonboy:

does that mean that it is now in svn

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planktonboy:

or will be in next version 0.21

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gardengnome:

it means that paulh will take care of that ticket.

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

will have to watch that space :)

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planktonboy:

thanks gardengnome :)

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planktonboy:

again :)

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gardengnome:

;)

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gardengnome:

nothing has been committed to SVN so far

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planktonboy:

my workaround for that so far is to run it from xmms

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planktonboy:

LOL

[13:30:09]

planktonboy:

I really like that projectM visuals plugin

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gardengnome:

xmms is even less usable than mythmusic, IMHO :I)

[13:30:28]

planktonboy:

but |I gave up on trying to patch it in to the svn head

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planktonboy:

yeah it is

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planktonboy:

but what can I do

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

it works for me

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planktonboy:

I just set it to play somafm.com Groove Salad

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planktonboy:

and then leave it

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planktonboy:

LOL

[13:31:52]

pat_:

I use mymp3s, but wish it would randomly play the selected songs

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pat_:

http://web.aanet.com.au/panic/gallery/index.php/mymp3s

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planktonboy:

will have a look at that

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pat_:

I usually grab a laptop and queue up a few albums

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pat_:

same as throwing a few cds into a multi disc player

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planktonboy:

right

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blackest:

cool udev rules rules :)

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planktonboy:

blackest..sorted?

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blackest:

got my car online again

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planktonboy:

nice one

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blackest:

it was just a game sorting which card was what

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brad2008:

anyone here know if the dvd-to-go pcmcia card will work to run mythtv?

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planktonboy:

actually that is a damn good idea blackest

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planktonboy:

I really ought to do something like that

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planktonboy:

I have o park mine outside the house too

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pat_:

what the heck is a dvd-to-go pcmcia card?

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blackest:

the point isnt to record anyone as such just to put em off

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brad2008:

I bought it at some computer sho

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brad2008:

it has svideo and composite

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pat_:

if I say "sure" without knowing what it is, will you believe me?

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pat_:

:)

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planktonboy:

a few months ago some C*%*S smashed mine and my girlfriends mirrors

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brad2008:

no

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blackest:

hmm is it supported by anything brad

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planktonboy:

and almost every mirror on the street

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brad2008:

One sec i will grab a link

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blackest:

thing is if it has support as say video0 yes it willwork if its dev/dvb0 then it will work if its something else good luck

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pat_:

goddamn, I'm glad I live in .au where that doesn't happen

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brad2008:

http://www.linuxtv.org/news.php?entry=2002-02-04-0.marcus

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planktonboy:

pat, yeah its a fact of life here in UK

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planktonboy:

personally US has the right attitude for that...lean out the window and shoot them

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blackest:

brad your in with a chance

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brad2008:

horray

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** pat_ sleeps **

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brad2008:

I just need to learn how to set it

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brad2008:

up

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blackest:

but before trying mythtv try kaffiene

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blackest:

it should probably recognise it

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blackest:

and you will be able to see if its getting a picture and sound

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brad2008:

ok is there a easy guide to getting this p and running

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brad2008:

Becausei have been on linuxtv for awhile reading and reading but not really understanding everything in full. My linux knowledge is decent i can right bash scripts and understand deamons and stuff

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blackest:

good question

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blackest:

ok i would try this first dmesg and see if its found and has a driver installed

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blackest:

if not you need to install mercurial download the dvb source and compile it

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blackest:

ie make make install and then see if its recognised

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planktonboy:

anyway..time to go

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planktonboy:

later all

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planktonboy:

:)))

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blackest:

ok see ya's and thanks for the help

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planktonboy:

well I didnt do much but thanks for the thanks :)

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planktonboy:

haha

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planktonboy:

cheerio mate

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brad2008:

Ok blackest so once i get mercurial installed then try and run kaffiene

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blackest:

i got to go looks like theres a football match on this afternoon

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andy_:

hi all, how do you set up your channels.conf so you can use azap?

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brad2008:

my second question do i have to have a GUI installed in my linux? I was thinking of just putting a small version of fedora on without kde but if I need kde so be it

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blackest:

brad yes get mercurial compile drivers and hopefully then kaffiene may work as a testbed

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blackest:

you need kde

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blackest:

for qt and kaffiene

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brad2008:

what qt?

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blackest:

the libs for rendering kde desktop

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blackest:

like gtk for gnome

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brad2008:

Ok mercurial doesn't include the drivers I need? Where would I find the drivers

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gardengnome:

blackest: you don't need KDE.

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brad2008:

ok i understand that blackest u know what ur talking about and can actually break this down for me which is big help

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gardengnome:

well, you do need the kde libs for kaffeine. but there's no need for a complete KDE install

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blackest:

i thought you needed kde for myth gardengnome

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brad2008:

I will install it just to be safe for the first time

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gardengnome:

blackest: no.

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gardengnome:

blackest: you need qt.

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blackest:

http://www.linuxtv.org/repo/

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brad2008:

On linuxtv.org it says my drivers should be in the 2.6.x kernal

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gardengnome:

and probably some KDE libs for mythbrowser

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blackest:

then you might be lucky brad

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brad2008:

I have nothing yet I'm on windows right now to use my wireless i hate trying to wrap the driver so I'm going to read right a huge document print it then test

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brad2008:

I know my card is on linuxtv.org but I cant find the driver for it still think u can give me a hand its a Margi: Dvd-to-go

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blackest:

gardengnome would a live cd find his dvb device ?

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gardengnome:

blackest: probably. how am i supposed to know? :)

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lilrayray:

hi all, how do you set up your channels.conf so you can use azap?

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gardengnome:

brad2008: where is it mentioned on linuxtv.org?

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brad2008:

under news

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blackest:

oh well good luck brad i got to go

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brad2008:

2002-02–04 Margi_cs 0.6 is out

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brad2008:

New version of the Margi/Billionton DVD-to-Go PC-Card driver

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brad2008:

that would be my card

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brad2008:

thanks blackest

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gardengnome:

brad2008: ugh. if support wasn't dropped from linux, it should work out of the box probably.

[14:04:26]

brad2008:

Support was dropped period

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brad2008:

it was released in like 2001

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gardengnome:

from linux?

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gardengnome:

brad2008: are you sure that it's a *capture* device?

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brad2008:

it isnt but on linuxtv.org someone posted that they can use it as a capture device so I think i'm in the clea

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gardengnome:

hum.

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gardengnome:

you'll have to do some more research

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brad2008:

If i run knoppix it should pick up the card prolly right just a quick test

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lilrayray:

anyone here use an ATI HDTV Wonder card with myth?

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brad2008:

Ya i think so too

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lilrayray:

does anyone here know how to create an azap channel config file?

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nasland2007:

Ok i'm running linux now which makes this a little better to test.

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nasland2007:

anyone here talk?

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lilrayray:

Im here, but havent had much luck either

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lilrayray:

what kernel are you using?

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nasland2007:

I'm not sure I'm running a knoppix live cd

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hound:

I know no answers!

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nasland2007:

I just want to know how to find the driver I need to install my dvb card

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lilrayray:

not sure how it will work on a live cd, but try: modprobe cx88-dvb

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nasland2007:

ok

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nasland2007:

cant locate cx88

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lilrayray:

hmm, well, im not sure then

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tank-man:

you probably have to compile the module/driver for your dvb card

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tank-man:

but first you probably have to install linux

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tank-man:

not just use the live cd

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lilrayray:

yeah

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nasland2007:

I'm going to snap

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lilrayray:

the driver is included in the 2.6.x kernels I think

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nasland2007:

Ok so if i install fedora 5 it should automatically find my pcmcia card and put it to dvb ur saying

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tank-man:

i'm not saying automatically

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tank-man:

lol

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nasland2007:

Fuck you guys have no idea what ur talking about

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hound:

!!!

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nasland2007:

it should find it automatically

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nasland2007:

well im not saying it will

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nasland2007:

It found it when i booted my computer it sayed dell dvd-to-go pcmcia card

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lilrayray:

hmm, well remember, it is linux

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lilrayray:

my HD card

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lilrayray:

is recognized in ubuntu

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hound:

has anyone tried to use nvram-wakeup to wake up from a suspend-to-ram state?

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nasland2007:

Does it load the dvb driver or just tell u it recognizes it

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lilrayray:

it loads the driver as far as I can tell: finds channels in myth, just at themoment, cant play them

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hound:

if I ever get ivtv to unload to I CAN suspend, I'm going to try it myself. wow the dissapointment if I get over this hurdle and it's not going to work anyways :-)

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lilrayray:

are you restricting yourself to fedora?

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nasland2007:

see when i boot using the live cd i also get xawtv

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nasland2007:

what is that

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lilrayray:

nvm

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lilrayray:

Id say, try installing a distro and then try: modprobe cx88-dvb

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nasland2007:

why cx88 is that the devault?

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lilrayray:

it is a DVB driver that comes with the newer kernels

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nasland2007:

but will it work with my device

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lilrayray:

idk, what card are you using?

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nasland2007:

dvd-to-g

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nasland2007:

someone told me to install mercurial

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nasland2007:

have u done that yet

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lilrayray:

you could try

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lilrayray:

use google, mythtv wiki, and linuxtv.org for help; there is a lot of info there

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GreyFoxx:

So basicaly it's an mpeg decoder to aid in playback of DVD/mpeg2 video with some sort of tvout dongle ?

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nasland2007:

ya

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nasland2007:

I read that this is used as a capture card

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nasland2007:

Like they have dvb drivers for the device

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GreyFoxx:

If it is, then it's not something listeds on the makers feature list :)

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nasland2007:

no its not

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to fix a libmythavcodec error during compile on latest SVN?

[14:55:06]

ShiftyPowers:

did the package requirements change?

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ShiftyPowers:

i get error 1

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hound:

cool

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a1fa:

yeah

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a1fa:

i wasnt gonna be happy with it

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a1fa:

still, there is a blury line running along left edge

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a1fa:

i need to call Sanyo

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a1fa:

so they can tell me what option to change to remove that line

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a1fa:

one more thing.. my resolution is 1240x720. when i watch tv through mythtv there are two vertical black lines on the left and right

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a1fa:

so a black frame on the left and right

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a1fa:

i guess its doing 4:3 in a 16:9 tv

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tank-man:

get some cardboard to cover the bars :)

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tank-man:

you can also use cardboard to cover the teletext/subs

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a1fa:

sweet

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a1fa:

i am updating my mythtv

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a1fa:

how alive is xbmc mythtv?

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alan|home:

hi all

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alan|home:

i'm a brand new happy mythtv user

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alan|home:

but

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a1fa:

there is always a but

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a1fa:

downgrade to windows media center

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alan|home:

hehe

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alan|home:

i see mythtv records channels i watch on my hdd

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alan|home:

and this takes a very large amount of disk space

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a1fa:

thats normal

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alan|home:

1) why does mythtv do this ?

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alan|home:

2) (how) can i prenvent it ?

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a1fa:

its 1) normal

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a1fa:

2) change bitrate

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a1fa:

if you dont like the quality vs size

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a1fa:

you can go to recording profiles and adjust this

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juski:

can you say tiiiiiiiiiiiiimmmmmmmmmmmmmmberrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr? ;)

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crash-x:

it deletes them automatically

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a1fa:

30 min of tv show ~ 1.3GB for me

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crash-x:

after a while

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a1fa:

yeah

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crash-x:

or when you need more space for recordings

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a1fa:

they auto-expire

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juski:

a1fa: last time I tried xbmcmythtv it wasn't very well

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a1fa:

juski : same here

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a1fa:

it wasnt working with svn

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a1fa:

juski : xbox expands fullscreen videos

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juski:

alan|home: 1) you can't change it. see the channel faq

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alan|home:

a1fa: crash-x : ok. i get it

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juski:

alan|home: live tv recordings of < 2 minutes are deleted almost instantly

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alan|home:

juski: can i set this to, let's say <5 ?

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juski:

you can set the amount of free space myth leaves from a page in mythfrontend

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alan|home:

ok

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juski:

alan|home: not without digging in the source

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alan|home:

arg

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juski:

it's how you can get all the nice pause/rewind stuff

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alan|home:

yeah, one point for you

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juski:

aaaaaaand discussing the whys & wherefores of that isn't up for debate here ;)

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alan|home:

:)

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bluey-:

anyone on freebsd?

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** a1fa is upgrading to svn **

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a1fa:

xris wrote mythweb, right?

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a1fa:

wo wa wie wa

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a1fa:

apprentice comes on tonight

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a1fa:

those people are borderline retarded

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alan|home:

o/

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GreyFoxx:

a1fa: xris wrote the majority of it

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a1fa:

kewl

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alan|home:

i think i'd better think about buying an externat hdd...

[15:50:12]

a1fa:

i had to open change management ticket with my family to upgrade mythtv (backend/frontend)

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a1fa:

what does mythbrowser require?

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juski:

a1fa: a lot of KDE

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GreyFoxx:

KDE stuff. I've never installed mythbrowser so Other than knowing it needs "KDE stuff" I don;t know for sure

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a1fa:

kde3 libs?

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juski:

libkde-dev IIRC

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alan|home:

offtopic question : can anyone tell me how i can know what module kernel i have to load to use the IR reciever built in my Artec T1 usb card ?

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a1fa:

3 or 4?

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juski:

alan|home: might be er.. the name of the module for the tuner with _lirc appended or prepended

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alan|home:

juski: ok. i'm having a look that (ho-my-god-so-simple) way

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** a1fa needs to add mythwelcome **

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juski:

alan|home: I wouldn't expect you'd find it – you no doubt have to build lirc yourself. don't worry though – configuring it & compiling it isn't that hard

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a1fa:

that way i can exit the frontend and run my own things

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a1fa:

console doesnt work through DVI

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** juski breathes a sigh of relief... part of the tree I just felled hasn't wrecked next door's fence after all :) **

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alan|home:

juski: ok. it's been a long time since i didn't compile anythin myself, but i guess i can do it. :)

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juski:

alan|home: it might end up that there isn't lirc support for that receiver

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alan|home:

juski: well... considered how painful it was to have it working with linux, i wouldn't be surprised...

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alan|home:

i may have to build one myself, it may be easier

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juski:

that artec thing is dvb-t yes?

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a1fa:

mythtv upgraded to the newest svn

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a1fa:

Updated to revision 13239.

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a1fa:

mythfrontend version: 0.20.20070327–1

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alan|home:

juski: yes it is

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alan|home:

juski: usb1

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juski:

alan|home: just fired off a google salvo... nothing doing for lirc

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alan|home:

nope :'(

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alan|home:

very few people had it working with linux...

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juski:

well, you can buy the bits to build a serial port reciever for a mere few sheckles ;)

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a1fa:

;P

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alan|home:

i think that's what i'm going to do.

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a1fa:

or switch to windows

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juski:

you can't have separate FE & BE with mce anyway :P

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a1fa:

right

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a1fa:

i love mythtv

[16:08:03]

a1fa:

i'd never downgrade

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juski:

alan|home: yeah, but not fully – though there's an unofficial extension to let you stream recordings from there

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alan|home:

wow...

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juski:

mythweb is mostly for scheduling n stuff

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a1fa:

only if i had issues with my hardware and linux

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** juski is using mythtv cos his tuner wouldn't frickin work in windows properly in the 1st place **

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alan|home:

juski: "just scheduling" would already be perfect for me

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a1fa:

mythweb is your friend

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a1fa:

and if you want to do it over the internet

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alan|home:

where i i configure it ?

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a1fa:

ssh tunnel

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alan|home:

ok

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a1fa:

www.mythtv.org/wiki

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alan|home:

cool

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alan|home:

thanks

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juski:

alan|home: usually as simple as grabbing the mythweb package

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alan|home:

ok

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a1fa:

mythwether is broken

[16:10:30]

juski:

a1fa: so look out the window

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a1fa:

:P

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a1fa:

juski : my mythweather does not look like this

[16:11:34]

juski:

ymmv with svn, always :)

[16:11:46]

a1fa:

~ymmv

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a1fa:

que?

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a1fa:

so whats up with that?

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juski:

your mileage may vary

[16:14:03]

a1fa:

lol

[16:14:09]

a1fa:

it dont make sence

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a1fa:

what is this HDHomeRun?

[16:16:00]

GreyFoxx:

Looks like MSNBC has moved their links around breaking mythweather

[16:16:29]

a1fa:

why dont you fetch wheather from weather.com?

[16:16:47]

juski:

a1fa: it's an OTA HDTV receiver.. or rather 2 of them.. to network box :)

[16:17:08]

GreyFoxx:

a1fa: No idea how/why it was all decided whenfirst setup

[16:17:24]

GreyFoxx:

personally I'd like to see it smart neough to pull from Environment Canada if you are Canadian

[16:17:28]

a1fa:

juski : that is awesome

[16:17:33]

GreyFoxx:

they are much more accurate and provide an xml feed

[16:17:38]

juski:

GreyFoxx: and bbc if in the UK :)

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a1fa:

cheap for $169

[16:17:44]

hound:

OTA just means broadcast TV right? you could hook any atsc signal into the inputs I would think

[16:17:46]

juski:

and they have an xml feed to

[16:17:52]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, basically like xmltv for weather :)

[16:17:53]

hound:

all these new hdtv acronyms are confusing

[16:17:56]

a1fa:

two networked HDTV tuners for $169

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juski:

hound: OTA & QAM IIRC

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a1fa:

its worth it

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hound:

yea QAM is the modulation type, OTA just describes the type of medium transmitted across (the air), and ATSC is the mpeg-2 standard stuff?

[16:18:54]

a1fa:

i wonder how much bandwidth i may need if i want to use this over the internet?

[16:19:21]

hound:

30Mbps at least I would think

[16:20:02]

juski:

btw GreyFoxx got a rough draft of the new video online

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GreyFoxx:

find enough diskspace to make it ? :) hehe

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a1fa:

thats sweet dude

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a1fa:

i may add two of these to my collection

[16:20:38]

juski:

my cpu was causing problems rendering it

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a1fa:

much cheaper than having a PVR-500

[16:20:52]

juski:

overheating.. but since taking the case side off, it's great once more

[16:20:57]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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sid3windr:

yea, mythweather is broken, 404'd :(

[16:22:15]

sid3windr:

anyone have a fix for that?

[16:22:46]

hound:

a1fa, I was looking into them the other day, it does look really sweet. Two devices all working simultaneously to handle the bandwidth I think would need a gigabyte hub, and a gigabyte nic on your backend

[16:22:55]

sid3windr:

(gigabit)

[16:23:04]

juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/263592

[16:23:31]

** juski goes to chop up some more bits of tree :) **

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sid3windr:

thanks juski

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** sid3windr off for food now **

[16:24:02]

a1fa:

i would want to add a new network just for these devices

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GreyFoxx:

sid3windr: Not yet

[16:24:47]

GreyFoxx:

I'm just looking at the changes they made now

[16:30:08]

alan|home:

mmm... keep on having an error 403 on my mythweb interface...

[16:30:23]

alan|home:

chmoded, mythtv user added,

[16:30:38]

alan|home:

can access another php interface

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alan|home:

what did i miss ?

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goreguts:

if i have Comcast and an HD tuner card, will i get all of the HD channels, with the exception of the "premium" channels, like hbo, showtime, etc?

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blameless:

goreguts: i'd imagine they are encrypted and you'd have to video out from the cablebox

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alan|home:

wouch... / 100% filled

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GreyFoxx:

oh well, wonder be as simple as just changing the URL for the mythweather stuff :)

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alan|home:

where are the default temp dirs ?

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GreyFoxx:

e/wonder/wont

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alan|home:

i mean mythtv tmp dirs ?

[16:38:04]

GreyFoxx:

myth doesn't really use any temp directories

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GreyFoxx:

all recordings, including livetv are in the directory you told it to place your recordings

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GreyFoxx:

If that happens to be on your / partition and it's not huge it will fill quickly :)

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alan|home:

mmm... i set some directories to /home/alan/Myth, but not all of them

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alan|home:

and now mythfrontend wont launch, so i can't check

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alan|home:

reboot

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punter:

Is there a list anywhere with how much power each CPU consumes?

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmm looks like EC has a pda/wap version of their site that might be simpler to use. Looks like getting access tothe xml feed is apain

[16:51:00]

GreyFoxx:

but the wap version seems simple and is "clean" and easy to parse

[16:51:19]

hound:

punter, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_power_dissipation

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punter:

hound: a, thanks

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BSD_Tech:

some one needs to update the mythtv wiki with screen shots and better howtos for setup

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alan|home:

re

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alan|home:

welcome to the 2007 Greatest stoopid Newbie awards ceremony. Tonight, the winner is...

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alan|home:

alan|home: for his wonderfull

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alan|home:

[root@localhost httpd]# du -hs *

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alan|home:

1,5M access_log

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alan|home:

3,6G error_log

[17:04:05]

ShiftyPowers:

is there a way to have mythvideo look at more than one directory?

[17:04:18]

alan|home:

ShiftyPowers: ln -s ?

[17:04:34]

ShiftyPowers:

yeah, i'm an idiot when it comes to sym links

[17:04:49]

ShiftyPowers:

i could never figure them out

[17:04:54]

alan|home:

well... wouldn't merge directories, but would make things simpler to browse

[17:04:58]

ShiftyPowers:

i thought you couldnt' sym linke directories

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alan|home:

ln -s [target] [linkname]

[17:05:32]

ShiftyPowers:

and can target be a directory?

[17:05:38]

alan|home:

i think so

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ShiftyPowers:

hmm, i'll try

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ShiftyPowers:

cool

[17:09:05]

ShiftyPowers:

i think it worked

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alan|home:

great

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ShiftyPowers:

but how do I remove a symlink now?

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alan|home:

jut rm the link

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alan|home:

it won't touch the target

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alan|home:

s/touch/affect

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ShiftyPowers:

well that was easy

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ShiftyPowers:

i'm an idiot :)

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GreyFoxx:

ShiftyPowers: Symlinks plus you have put more than one in the settings menu seperated by ":"

[17:10:24]

GreyFoxx:

so /path/1:/path/2

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GreyFoxx:

personall I use symlinks

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ShiftyPowers:

ah so in the settings menu i can put more than one dir?

[17:10:50]

GreyFoxx:

yes

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ShiftyPowers:

symlinks might be a lot a lot easier

[17:17:10]

blameless:

is there anyway to configure myth to use an external player for playing tv?

[17:17:27]

juski:

nope

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blameless:

nuts

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juski:

blameless: you'll need to be trying a different version of mythtv, openchrome or xorg then

[17:18:17]

blameless:

i might try to play with the cvs version of myth

[17:18:26]

juski:

svn not cvs :)

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blameless:

ah yes :)

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tjcarter:

ugh, Ubuntu's got serious issues with their kernel lately.

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tjcarter:

some serious issues with either SATA or LVM or both

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ShiftyPowers:

so i'm getting a libmythavcodec error when trying to compile svn

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ShiftyPowers:

on one of my frontends

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ShiftyPowers:

has there been a change in the package requirements

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ShiftyPowers:

?

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jd99:

How many cards (such as pvr150) have you all been able to get working in a machine?

[17:45:01]

scant:

i have two working

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Hoxzer:

jd99: knoppmyth wiki has pretty nice list of cards that work with mythtv

[17:45:29]

jd99:

Hoxzer, oh well, I have cards that work:) just want ot know how many cards one have fit into one machine

[17:45:40]

Hoxzer:

oh, well I have 2

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jd99:

not just fit, but work well

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jd99:

I've been using 3 with no problem for quite some time now

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Hoxzer:

:( all my PCI slots are occupied

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scant:

jd99: you gonnna go for 4?

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jd99:

scant, I think so heh

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scant:

jd99: do you tweak the ivtv settings?

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jd99:

I have 4 frontends, I was doing the slave backend thing for a while, but I would prefer not to

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jd99:

I had before, (upping some buffers) but not now, I got rid of those options

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jd99:

I'm actually waiting on qt to downgrade (went up to 3.3.8 and thats bad.) and then i'll update mythtv to latest trunk (already have it down might as well, its a week or two old now) and then we'll see how this is going to work

[17:48:07]

jd99:

I have 3 disks, so I don't think the disk itself should be a bottleneck, and I have a L3 managed switch, so I do trunking over two ethers so that shouldn't be a problem i don't think

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toad_:

can mythtv use postgres as a backend? can i easily change it to do so using the debian package?

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sid3windr:

afaik not

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jd99:

toad_, i do not believe so

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toad_:

:(

[17:53:20]

toad_:

mysql has bugs which make it require an awful lot of babysitting

[17:53:29]

toad_:

at least the version i'm using does

[17:54:05]

toad_:

how do you recover mysql tables when you have a hard reset? do you use the full blown manual procedure?

[17:54:07]

toad_:

do you use mysqlcheck?

[17:54:18]

toad_:

for me mysqlcheck ignores the crashed tables and says everything is fine

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jd99:

toad_, I don't hard reset my mysql machine :)

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toad_:

:)

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isntitknoying:

does anyone know what would cause mythtv to stop updating?

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jd99:

but when I do have crashed tables I usually type "mysql crashed tables" into google and follow some kind guide I've used a couple of times, one of which has a --fix thing that will fix anything it sees broken... but I'm far from a mysql poweruser, more of a look at logs and deal with it

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isntitknoying:

sorry ,mythweather

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sid3windr:

isntitknoying: yes, msnbc changed their websit

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sid3windr:

e

[17:57:01]

isntitknoying:

bastids.

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jd99:

I'll just call them up and tell them that they have done a very bad thing and they should change it back immediately. Im sure they'll listen.

[17:57:48]

isntitknoying:

yeah, i think we should try that. I'll call mr. gates and tell him to get his folks in line.

[17:58:22]

sid3windr:

plz!

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jd99:

And while we are at it we can call imdb and tell them to never change their page either, that seems to cause problems often

[17:59:37]

sid3windr:

well...

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sid3windr:

imdb was nice

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sid3windr:

don't they have a former.imdb.com with the old layout?

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sid3windr:

or something like it anyway

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sid3windr:

for about 6 months, so everyone can update their htmlscrapers ;)

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jd99:

ok

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jd99:

well maybe they should setup a special datasource just for that purpose...

[18:02:54]

jd99:

Heh, but I suppose they'd have no reason to do so

[18:03:01]

jd99:

So i guess they can be in my `nice` list

[18:03:07]

jd99:

Lets try former.msnbc.com

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jd99:

msnbc wasn't so nice :)

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sid3windr:

;)

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sid3windr:

you can download a lot of imdb data in .txt files from their ftp

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sid3windr:

just not the scores

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jd99:

ah, so imdb seems to be quite nice.

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sid3windr:

so imdb is "quite nice" in that respect

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sid3windr:

they have an API as well, but that's $$$

[18:05:33]

jd99:

wow... we kind of both said quite nice.

[18:05:38]

sid3windr:

because they don't want you to skip the ads

[18:05:41]

sid3windr:

yea, I noticed that too heh ;)

[18:06:04]

sid3windr:

woah, smg is 30

[18:06:05]

sid3windr:

:p

[18:07:16]

sid3windr:

msn weather exists for a while now, I guess they finally said goodbye to the msnbc "old clone"

[18:07:27]

sid3windr:

msn weather has my city as well, whereas msnbc didn't

[18:07:34]

jd99:

hmm

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sid3windr:

so once mythweather works with that I'm good. ;)

[18:07:51]

Om:

Does anyone know how well the internal DVD player supports surround sound output?

[18:07:55]

jd99:

I live in RI so I think we'd be lucky to get one city

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sid3windr:

RI ?

[18:08:54]

jd99:

sid3windr, rhode island, USA

[18:09:00]

jd99:

Do you live in US?

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sid3windr:

no, I'm from belgium, and we have like 8 cities at least in msn weather ;)

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jd99:

well Rhode island is quite small...

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sid3windr:

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sid3windr:

hmmm. :]

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jd99:

heh

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jd99:

and we're not an island either heh

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scant:

sid3windr: hi

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sid3windr:

heya

[18:21:24]

sid3windr:

we're both here now, yay ;)

[18:21:46]

scant:

sid3windr: the heartbeat is on by default if there are no clients/servers

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sid3windr:

well mythtv is running, and I still have the heartbeat

[18:22:15]

sid3windr:

I disabled it in the settings, too ;(

[18:22:24]

scant:

i did too, but then i disabled it in the settings

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sid3windr:

and that worked?

[18:22:40]

scant:

yeah...

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sid3windr:

:/

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scant:

have you restarted your frontend?

[18:23:07]

sid3windr:

I'd prefer the setting to say "[x] never show heartbeat" instead of "[ ] always show heartbeat" eheh

[18:23:13]

sid3windr:

as "not always" may still mean "sometimes"

[18:23:17]

sid3windr:

hm, good question

[18:23:20]

sid3windr:

maybe I didn't.

[18:23:34]

sid3windr:

I restarted lcdd when it didn't help, but that didn't help of course

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scant:

sid3windr: are you a newb to linux?

[18:23:48]

sid3windr:

and as luck must have it, I'm not at home right now so cannot test.

[18:23:58]

sid3windr:

i've been using linux since 1996

[18:24:03]

sid3windr:

so I'd say no :]

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scant:

sid3windr: so... you wanna help out a newb?

[18:24:26]

sid3windr:

depends how difficult the question is ;)

[18:24:43]

scant:

i need help with alsa

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sid3windr:

hmm

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jd99:

alsa is fun!

[18:25:37]

sid3windr:

I don't have too much experience with alsa, i've been using oss for quite some years, and now I do use alsa, but I haven't touched any settings for years, it just works :)

[18:25:50]

scant:

i have 2 more steps till my box can go into use, surround sound in xine/mplayer and surround sound in myth

[18:26:11]

scant:

sid3windr: have you applied the surround sound patch in myth?

[18:26:45]

Matir:

I've been looking into MythTV for a while and been wanting to build a myth box... I came across a cheap pcHDTV 2000... now I don't have HDTV (yet), but I am under the impression it can also capture analog NTSC... is this more or less correct?

[18:29:36]

sid3windr:

no, I didn't even know there was a patch for that

[18:29:55]

sid3windr:

I have a microsoft surround wav file and it seems my speakers aren't connected right. or something

[18:29:59]

quink:

Matir: send it to me. I want HDTV

[18:30:02]

sid3windr:

but I haven't gotten around to fixing that yet

[18:30:44]

scant:

sid3windr: i'm having trouble updating my alsa drivers and such, to get surround sound in xine/mplayer

[18:31:02]

scant:

sid3windr: have you ever upgraded mythtv?

[18:31:07]

sid3windr:

nope

[18:31:13]

sid3windr:

well, apt-get upgrade did fetch new parts ;)

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scant:

sid3windr: i need to learn how to patch mythtv and compile

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hadees:

I am getting this error when i try to use scan in mythtv-setup for my air2pc rev 3 card

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hadees:

DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 0

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sid3windr:

I'd guess you unpack the source and type cat ~/yourpatch.diff|patch -p1

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Dagmar:

patch -Np1 -i ../path/to/patchname.diff

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Dagmar:

No need to involve cat in this unless it's gzipped or something

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scant:

Dagmar: thanks for the hint

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scant:

sid3windr: is your mythtv box in use?

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Om:

(scant) sid3windr: have you applied the surround sound patch in myth?

[18:43:18]

Om:

There's a patch for it?

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sid3windr:

scant: define in use :)

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sid3windr:

it's not completely set up yet

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sid3windr:

but I can/do watch livetv with it

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scant:

Om: i don't have surround sound working with alsa yet. there is a patch to allow surround sound in myth, but i haven't ever compiled or patched myth before

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scant:

sid3windr: i use knoppmyth, just need this surroundsound stuff to work

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Om:

scant, do you have a link to the patch? Or remember where it was?

[18:46:30]

Om:

I've *just* _finally_ got ALSA to play nice with surround output

[18:46:43]

Om:

So I want to move on and get myth to cooperate too

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sid3windr:

:)

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scant:

Om: can you help me with alsa and surroundsound?

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Om:

probably not, but I can try

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Om:

what card/chipset?

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scant:

Om: =(

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scant:

Om: http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1104

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scant:

Om: can you tell me about your surround sound problem? i use a via 8235/1617a

[18:48:59]

Om:

Oh, I just had a very dodgy/rareish chipset under the hda-intel driver

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jd99:

This is great!!!

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Om:

It was a driver problem, which I seem to have just about fixed from someone else's suggestion on the alsa-user ml.. :)

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Om:

What've you tried?

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Om:

Try: speaker-test -c6 -Dsurround51

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scant:

Om: i had to apply a patch to the alsa drivers only, but it's not working, still no surround sound

[18:51:33]

Om:

The only general suggestions I'd have are to try the latest dev version of alsa, unmute all the mixers and try different options/devices with speaker-test and aplay

[18:52:00]

scant:

Om: i can get speaker-test to output to 4 out of my 5.1 channels

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scant:

Om: but, xine still won't

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BSD_Tech:

make sure you have all the libdvd insaleed

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BSD_Tech:

installed

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BSD_Tech:

I had isues till I got all the libdvd stuff installed

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scant:

xine works with dvd's , just alwaywas as 2 channels

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BSD_Tech:

ahh

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yesombre:

hi, i have a problem: can't schedule recordings. live tv and so on works fine: --testsched shows my recordings, --printsched does not

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oC_LioN:

anyone here got a clue how2 reset the channels when ZTV went to kanal6 ? .. i can see the channel . but the info on mythweb is wrong

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xris:

oC_LioN: there's an option for mythfilldatabase

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Ribs:

hrm, odd one here...

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Ribs:

mythfrontend and mythtranscode both segfault right when they quit

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gardengnome:

Ribs: what version of qt?

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Ribs:

for mythfrontend, it's no big deal, but for the transcode it's an issue, as the mytharchive thing sees that error and doesn't seem to like it

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Ribs:

gardengnome: 4.2.3–3mdv2007.1.x86_64

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Ribs:

*shrug*

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Ribs:

this is what mandriva gave me :>

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Ribs:

I didn't think mythtv worked at all with qt 4?

[19:22:29]

juski:

maybe it does, a little but not enough

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gardengnome:

Ribs: you should have qt3 installed as well.

[19:23:06]

gardengnome:

Ribs: if it's 3.3.8, it's broken. check the mailing list

[19:23:07]

Ribs:

ah yeah, here it be:

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Ribs:

Version: 3.3.8–4mdv2007.1.x86_64

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Ribs:

oh

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Ribs:

is it qt, or mythtv which is broken?

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juski:

3.3.8 isn't a good version apparently

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Ribs:

and why does that affect the gui-less mythtranscode? is it using the qt mysql stuff?

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gardengnome:

yes.

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

okay, 3.3.8 seems to be the only version avalible to me

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Ribs:

I guess the rest of mandriva is compiled against it

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juski:

yay for mandriva then

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Ribs:

maybe I can alter mytharchive to not care about the segfault, 'cos the transcode does still finish

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juski:

I know what I'd do

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juski:

no points for guessing ;)

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Ribs:

not use mandriva?

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juski:

you got it

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Ribs:

heh

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Ribs:

I don't blame you

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juski:

1st time I ever saw it I thought "ooo linux for windows users"

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Ribs:

I'm not a fanboy or anything... but 2007.1 really impressed me with some of the stuff it does

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Ribs:

plus the new intel driver is pretty essential for me, which mandriva does give access too

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juski:

anyway I'm gonna go watch dr who & have a sleep. cutting down trees is ferking tiring work for a slouch like me

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Ribs:

ouch

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juski:

chainsaw or no chainsaw

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blameless:

juski: svn version of mythtv faired no better

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BSD_Tech:

mythtv needs a irc client

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gardengnome:

no

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gardengnome:

it really does not

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gardengnome:

"help! me mythtv not working"

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jonty:

I just can't find an option to set the mtd host in the settings, yet I can find an option to set the port number, which seems odd to me.

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HaDAk:

you could set it to rip, and have it execute a script that ssh's into another box and executes an encode command there.

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HeMan:

Hi! Is there any swedish mythtv irc-channels?

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jonty:

HaDAk, yeah, I thought of that, but it's a bit hacky – it just seemed like it might be possible to do it within the existing framework with a shared NFS dir if I could set the MTD host – at this rate I might end up hacking the code myself to do it.

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HaDAk:

hacking the code is always a viable option. ;)

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jonty:

HaDAk, yeah, but I was hoping to set this up quickly :P

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HaDAk:

haha, quickly. good one. ;)

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jonty:

Heh :P

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gardengnome:

heh

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jonty:

right, dinner, back in a bit

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gardengnome:

i thought that too when i was trying to set up remote mythtranscoding. :(

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jonty:

still open to suggestions from anyone who knows if it's possible...

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jonty:

I have remote myth transcoding working, that was easy

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jd99:

remote mythtranscoding gardengnome ? Can't you just setup backend to do that?

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jonty:

DVD transcoding is another matter entirely it seems

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jonty:

brb

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gardengnome:

jonty: you can, but it's not that easy if the remote backend has a separate directory with recordings.

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gardengnome:

sorry, i meant jd99

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jd99:

gardengnome, hmm for a while I had a backend running, and nfs mounted all remote directories and it seemed to work. I don't do it any more my MBE is beefy enough to take care of the jobs.

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gardengnome:

jd99: mythtv as of 0.20 cannot handle more than one recording directory. i'd need some symlink magic ;)

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jd99:

gardengnome, aha, there is the difference, I use svn trunk

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gardengnome:

i tried that; the remote recordings were transcoded and put onto the *local* file system. which broke $stuff.

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jd99:

where you can have recording groups and stuff

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gardengnome:

jd99: yeah, svn trunk knows about recording groups

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HeMan:

I'm about to launch a swedish mythtv site, anyone nows if it's ok to use the MythTV logo for that?

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janneg:

gardengnome, jd99: s/recording/storage/

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Kritter:

mytharchive is driving me bonkers.

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juski:

gardengnome: has Ludo said anything to you about taking my ftp access away?

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gardengnome:

juski: the forum moved to a new server.

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juski:

ah

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juski:

so I'd need a new password & stuff

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gardengnome:

yep

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degreseven:

anything i can do to reduce flicker in the main menu?

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AngryElf:

do xinerama and myth play nice together?

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AngryElf:

mythfrontend is now setfaulting sicne i've set up xinerama

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xris:

degreseven: video card, etc, etc>

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xris:

?

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degreseven:

xris its a nvidia mx440

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xris:

degreseven: not a lot you can do with that card

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xris:

I think the anti-flicker stuff only showed up with the 5200

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degreseven:

i was just messing with db permissions trying to get another frontend working, and somehow some settings got reset on the backend / main frontend. My menus never used to flicker the way they are now

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degreseven:

i thought i remembered some setting somewhere that helped with that, i just cant find it now

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kormoc:

turn on/off opengl vsync?

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degreseven:

where is that?

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cbaoth:

Is there like a script to readd recordings to the database? (reinstalled mythtv)

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kormoc:

cbaoth, yeah, it's called restoring from the database backup you did before you re-installed

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kormoc:

degreseven, donno, it could be in the frontend settings or you can use nvidia-settings to set it

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cbaoth:

Which tables exactly? There's some dodgy settings in that dump.

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kormoc:

recorded is your currently recorded files

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kormoc:

record is your scheduled recordings, and oldrecorded is your previously recorded shows

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cbaoth:

Righto.

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Caliban:

:se noai

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Caliban:

ap:se ai

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psofa:

hmm booo

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psofa:

sth got funked with my last kernel it seems

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psofa:

myth wont get a lock on my nova-t card

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psofa:

though it plays fine

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psofa:

it just pops the annoying message saying it couldnt get a lock

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juski:

psofa: you can try increasing the lock timeout

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psofa:

no

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psofa:

its already too high

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psofa:

from my last configuration one year ago :)

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psofa:

it pops the message after 1 minute :P

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juski:

oof

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juski:

wow. took me all of 15 minutes to sift thru all the new forum posts worth looking at

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BSD_Tech:

log

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BSD_Tech:

logic

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BSD_Tech:

wrong window

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BSD_Tech:

lol

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tatters:

fresh install ubuntu feisty everything works perfect except keeps failing to update /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/weather/handler.php, line 96: file(http://www.msnbc.com/m/chnk/d/weather_d_src.asp?acid=UKXX0040) [function.file]: failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 NotFound has the website changed,anyone else getting same problem?

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juski:

yeah the webpage has changed & mythweather needs to be fixed

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tatters:

k thnx thought I might messed up somewhere

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