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Friday, April 13th, 2007, 00:01 UTC

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punter:

I did the addition – the price comes to $600 which is cheaper than a good PVR

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punter:

so it's worth it!

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punter:

thanks everyone

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Como|Lappy:

heh

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Como|Lappy:

im such a slacker

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punter:

un-anger?

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Como|Lappy:

yeah, its angry

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phlegm:

Still searching. Does anybody have any idea on how I can make the default for video files to be hidden? I'm using browse mode and they always have a level of 0. Having a default of 1 or higher would solve my problem but I can't find anything on the mailing lists or the database. Any ideas on where to look?

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punter:

is it the blue light that makes it look that way?

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Como|Lappy:

http://dually.netman86.com/lirc

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Como|Lappy:

look what way?

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punter:

what way = angry

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Como|Lappy:

lirc modules & dmesg are angry

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Como|Lappy:

'fraid i dont know much about whats going on

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phlegm:

hrmmmm I can set a mythvideo filter to >=0 but no higher. Can I set this to >=1 any how?

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kormoc:

phlegm, can't you just set the defaultvideolevel to 1?

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punter:

I'm going to bed now... thanks everyone for talking with me

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phlegm:

Kormoc: how do I do that. I've been searching everywhere

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Como|Lappy:

i installed ivtv today

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Como|Lappy:

errr

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Como|Lappy:

way for me to be scrolled up like, an hour ago

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Como|Lappy:

and seeing something i missed

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Como|Lappy:

...then responding to it

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kormoc:

phlegm, if it's anywhere, it would be under the video settings in the frontend

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phlegm:

Nyet

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umikeones:

hello

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scant:

sid3windr: are you there?

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umikeones:

anyone use mvpmv and ringbuffer?

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umikeones:

where is the "ringbuffer" file folder located?

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Kazan|AFK:

never phear, I is here :D

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Kazan:

i've grown far too use to MMORPGs

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Kazan:

i go to type /whois and type /who all

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Como|Lappy:

oh dear

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Como|Lappy:

i dont have qmake

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xris:

Como|Lappy: install qt-devel?

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** Kazan waves to xris **

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Kazan:

been a while bro

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Como|Lappy:

do i need it?

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Kazan:

yes

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Como|Lappy:

then i guess i should

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Kazan:

qmake is part of qt-devel :P

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Como|Lappy:

i've never even heard of qmake until 30 seconds ago

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kormoc:

Como|Lappy, you only need qmake if you're compiling myth

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xris:

Kazan: :)

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Como|Lappy:

all i can find is it in rpm format

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xris:

Como|Lappy: rpm format for what?

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xris:

(as in what version)

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Tanthrix:

xris: You're a dev, right? Want to do my simple CS Data Structures homework for me? ;)

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BSD_Tech:

ok I noticed netflics in myth

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BSD_Tech:

can you rent and download

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BSD_Tech:

or is it just a library

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umikeones:

Does anyone know where the ringbuffer is on the backend? Maybe a dumb question but I have not been able to figure it out.

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BSD_Tech:

I am also having issues with dvd's not playing

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BSD_Tech:

ringbuffer

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Kazan:

oh i got married since last we talked xris :P

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umikeones:

BSD_Tech: ?

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umikeones:

my backend complains about ringbuffer while using mvpmc as a frontend.

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umikeones:

well not my backend but the myttv backend ;)

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umikeones:

*mythtv

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umikeones:

is the recording dir and the ring buffer the same?

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nero:

is anyone here using mythtv with a twinview setup?

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nero:

is it possible to have myth open fullscreen on the secondary monitor?

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Zider:

depends how you set it up

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Zider:

if the second monitor has its own display number, no problem

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nero:

Zider, but it is possible?

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Zider:

catching the input might be tricky tho

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nero:

ahhh.. so not through twinview then.. only through running a second x/display?

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nero:

(twinview is one X with monitor spanning)

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Zider:

twinview can be two displays as well

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nero:

really?

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Zider:

xinerama doesn't work tho

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nero:

humm.. this could work then.

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Zider:

iirc, twinview is just nvidias name for being able to show two pictures on the same gfx card

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nero:

gotcha.. I was under the impression that it only did monitor spanning.

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Zider:

I have two monitors on my card, with separate displays

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Zider:

I can move the mouse between them, but not windows

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Zider:

so DISPLAY=":0.1" mplayer <something> pops it up there

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Zider:

and the second can be either tv or monitor

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nero:

aha..

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Tanthrix:

Zider: Technically you're not using twinview then, are you not? You're doing the old fashioned way with the nvidia card where you have 2 video card sections, etc..

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Zider:

Tanthrix: that is what they call twinview IIRC.. having one display spanning two screens would be Xinerama

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Tanthrix:

(I do the former, so I too cannot move windows and such between screens, only my mouse. Better for a Myth setup I think)

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** nero wouldn't mind if ctrl-alt-F7 was my main desktop and ctrl-alt-F8 switched over to Myth on the TV.. **

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Zider:

I was just going there to check it out :)

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Tanthrix:

nero: Check out that first link. It's nice and easy to setup on nvidia cards.

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nero:

checking :)

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nero:

ahhhh.. very easy..

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nero:

and then you switch between them with the alt-ctl-Fx keys?

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Zider:

no that would be separate X servers

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Tanthrix:

nero: Using the second works as well, but then you might have to deal with making Myth only run on one monitor, not thinking it's one big screen.

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BSD_Tech:

ok I get xine and mplayer errors when trying to play dvd

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nero:

Zider- ok, then how would I switch between monitors?

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Tanthrix:

nero: Zider is correct – both of these operate at the same time and you can move your mouse between them, just no windows. So your WM will display on both screens instead of stretching across both.

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Zider:

nero: drag mouse to the edge of the screen and it appears on the other monitor

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Tanthrix:

nero: You don't switch. They both operate at the same time.

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nero:

ahh.. ok.

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blameless:

i don't suppose anyone here has myth working well with a vt1625 tv-tuner on a via epia board?

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BSD_Tech:

and my system wont back out

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Tanthrix:

nero: So my mouse goes from my desk about 10 feet to the other side of the room where my Tv is ;)

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nero:

One last question- my card has DVI out (to the TV) and VGA out (to the CRT monitor). How do I tell it which device is which?

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Tanthrix:

nero: If you do the non-twinview thing, one of them will be device 0 and the other 1. You just find out which one is which by playing with it, then configuring accordingly.

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Tanthrix:

nero: There might be a better way, but that's how I did it.

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nero:

ok.. it looks like it needs my video card's bus ID.. any idea how I can see that?

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Zider:

I think mythtv would need window focus for lirc and stuff to work, right?

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Tanthrix:

Sorry, I forget how I found that out. pci something

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nero:

google-fu time.. ;)

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Tanthrix:

lspci maybe?

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Tanthrix:

Yah, that should do it. I get "01:00.0 VGA compatiable controller: Nvidia etc..." which translates to BusID "PCI:1:0:0"

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nero:

so 02:00.0 would be PCI:2:0:0 then

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Tanthrix:

I suspect so

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nero:

ok.. lets try this.. :/

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nero:

ok.. here we go.

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** BSD_Tech is upset **

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Kazan:

why

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BSD_Tech:

dvd wont play and it locks up myth

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Kazan:

ouch

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Kazan:

what DVD

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Kazan:

what player program

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** Kazan still doesn't use internal **

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** Kazan uses xine **

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BSD_Tech:

myth uses mplayer

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BSD_Tech:

and or xine but both give errors

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Kazan:

mythtv >= .20 has an internal player

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Kazan:

that is neither

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BSD_Tech:

no demux plugin

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Kazan:

that's the error?

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Kazan:

sounds like a Xine error message

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Kazan:

is it JUST this dvd?

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BSD_Tech:

no its any dvd

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Kazan:

ah

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Kazan:

do you have libdvdcss?

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Kazan:

libdvdread?

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Kazan:

what distro?

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BSD_Tech:

mythdora

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nero:

woohoo!

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nero:

Thanks guys.. it worked great!

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Kazan:

that a special version of Fedora?

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Kazan:

i just use general fedora

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BSD_Tech:

yes

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Kazan:

rpm -qa | grep -i dvd'

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BSD_Tech:

hmmmm

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Kazan:

on my system it shows...

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BSD_Tech:

the box is off at the min in my office I am in the livingroom

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BSD_Tech:

got pissed off at it

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Kazan:

libdvdplay, libdvdcss-devel, libdvdcss, libdvdnav-devel, libdvdnav, libdvdread, libdvdread-devel, libdvdplay-devel

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Kazan:

ssh :P

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Kazan:

write down that list and make sure you have all those rpms installed

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_goofy_:

how do i keep the frountend from starting at boot up......i run ubuntu

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BSD_Tech:

its booting now

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BSD_Tech:

I might be reinstalling

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umikeones:

I understand that "If you use the -b option to mvpmc, you can tell mvpmc which directory contains the ringbuffer." but where is the ring buffers default location?

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BSD_Tech:

libdvdplay, libdvdcss-devel missing

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BSD_Tech:

libdvdnav-devel

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umikeones:

No body knows this???

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BSD_Tech:

libdvdread-devel, libdvdplay-devel

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BSD_Tech:

all not there

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BSD_Tech:

how do I fix this

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Kazan:

BSD_Tech: yum install is your friend :D

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BSD_Tech:

ok whats the pkg name

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Kazan:

yum install <list of all the missing ones>

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Kazan:

the package names are what i listed :D

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** sandeen_ eyes a new mythfrontend **

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Kazan:

sandeen_: should be fine, ESPECIALLY with an XvMC capable card

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Kazan:

infact with XvMC capable it is probably overkill for an AM2 Dual core

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sandeen_:

Kazan, I bailed on xvmc... things generally work bettter for me w/o it

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sandeen_:

i'd be more interested in getting a cpu able to work w/o it

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Kazan:

that's hard to do

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sandeen_:

my p4 2.6Ghz works fine

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Kazan:

as much as I hate nvidia, i will use their cards in my HD frontend

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sandeen_:

after all the right knobs turned :)

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sandeen_:

i started w/ xvmc but too many other things didn't work

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Kazan:

BSD_Tech: i have to go AFK now bro... must go spent time with the wife... goodluck

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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BSD_Tech:

working on it

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BSD_Tech:

I cant find the pkg with those libs

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BSD_Tech:

what pkg is dvdplay in

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BSD_Tech:

libdvdplay

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BSD_Tech:

grr

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BSD_Tech:

I have everythign but libdvdplay

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BSD_Tech:

grrrr

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Zider:

BSD_Tech: doesn't your package system handle dependencies?

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Kazan|WithWife:

http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php? . . . +5&arch=

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Kazan|WithWife:

Zider: it does

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BSD_Tech:

it seems yum dod not finn libdvdplay

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Kazan|WithWife:

check your repos

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Zider:

Kazan|WithWife: why hate nvidia btw?

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Kazan|WithWife:

Zider: a myriad of reasons

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BSD_Tech:

ok I got those files will install them

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Kazan|WithWife:

Zider: inferior silicon quality, inferior QA, inferior engineering, barely ethical business practices

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Kazan|WithWife:

Zider: intentionally misimplementing algorithms to the detriment of quality for a "few more precious FPS"

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Zider:

superior drivers :P

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Kazan|WithWife:

inferior drivers

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Kazan|WithWife:

except on linux

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Zider:

beats the shit out of ati :P

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Kazan|WithWife:

their windows drivers are known to overclock the cards without permission

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BSD_Tech:

I will be re installing when I get my new iso

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Kazan|WithWife:

BSD_Tech: you need to enable/install the livna repo – see fedorafaq.org

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Zider:

nvidia is the only decent choice for a linux system imo

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Kazan|WithWife:

Zider: ATIs silicon beats the living snot out of nVidias and always has

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Kazan|WithWife:

i have no problems with my ATI card when it comes to 3d gaming

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Kazan|WithWife:

only problem i've ever had with my ATI card is no XvMC – which isn't a problem right now since i don't playback HD

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Kazan|WithWife:

anyway.. returning to AFK

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Zider:

I'ver never seen an ATI box with decent drivers, in linux or windows.. I'm sure the hw is fine, it just doesn't show ;)

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Zider:

anyhoo, I'm off to bed

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Zider:

or, couch

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BSD_Tech:

ok got them installed

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BSD_Tech:

bbiab

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BSD_Tech:

<BSD_Tech> ok I get a blue screen with what would be menu tabs

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BSD_Tech:

<BSD_Tech> it works

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BSD_Tech:

<BSD_Tech> but slow as molasses

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BSD_Tech:

<BSD_Tech> I need a way to make this better

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BSD_Tech:

<BSD_Tech> cannot connet to your mythtv transcoding daemon you cab try hitting any nuber key to stsrt it. if you still see this messege then somthing is wrong

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BSD_Tech:

<BSD_Tech> ok the dvd plays fine now 2nd time I loaded it but a little jittery

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BSD_Tech:

<BSD_Tech> and the bottom is messy

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BSD_Tech:

but not all dvd come up

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BSD_Tech:

some do some dont

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BSD_Tech:

cannot connet to your mythtv transcoding daemon you cab try hitting any nuber key to stsrt it. if you still see this messege then somthing is wrong any way to fix this

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BSD_Tech:

and mythweather

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BSD_Tech:

its not getting data

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Dagmar:

Complete sentences would be helpful.

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Dagmar:

You know... a noun, a verb... maybe some adjectives. Preferably assembled in a manner that conveys coherence.

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BSD_Tech:

mythweather is not grabbing data

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BSD_Tech:

but the dopler page works

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BSD_Tech:

and the first sentance was a error I get when I try to rip my dvd

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BSD_Tech:

I cant figure out what is missing that it wont rip a dvd

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BSD_Tech:

it seems mythweather is not grabbing data from the weather channel

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BSD_Tech:

why

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sphery:

hi, xris

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xris:

evening

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sphery:

Noticed a little something (not too important) in MythWeb that would probably take me hours to figure out, but would only take you seconds... :)

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sphery:

On the settings page (for MythTV settings table), MythWeb never issues a CLEAR_SETTINGS_CACHE command...

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sphery:

That means that changes aren't picked up (unless that setting hasn't yet been read by the backend).

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BSD_Tech:

yeah it seems it was not starting at boot

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sphery:

frontend settings under DVD IIRC

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris

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sphery:

gotta go.

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xris:

?

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SlicerDicer-:

got a moment?

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SlicerDicer-:

I was just curious how reliable your firewire is

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SlicerDicer-:

and are you using the firewire_tester?

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hadees:

anyone know how to fix this error?

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hadees:

i thought it was my disk speed but now i am not so sure, if i kill mythbackend and start it up again it can go a little while before that error comes back even if it is recording 3 shows at once

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BSD_Tech:

ok I got a dvd in to rip the transcode is there

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BSD_Tech:

but it does not process

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_goofy_:

how do i keep the frountend from auto starting

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Kazan|WithWife:

undo the step you had to do to get it to autostart?

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tank-man:

that sounds too easy

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BSD_Tech:

ok my next mythbox will not have a desktop

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BSD_Tech:

it will just start the frontend

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BSD_Tech:

kde sucks up alot of mem

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BSD_Tech:

and dvds get jittery

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hadees:

BSD_Tech, yeah why would you use KDE on a mythtv box

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cecil:

KDE makes no sense on a dedicated mythbox

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Tanthrix:

BSD_Tech: Use blackbox or fluxbox.

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BSD_Tech:

it came with mythdora

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cecil:

odd, I'd have thought they would have something lighter

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hadees:

well i lost any respect i had for mythdora

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BSD_Tech:

there is a newer one in the works that lets you choose you wm/desktop

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BSD_Tech:

I used it only because I am not a linux person

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BSD_Tech:

and I wanted to see what the hype of mythdora was

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BSD_Tech:

its nice

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hadees:

let me guess you like BSD

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BSD_Tech:

really what gave it away ?

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hadees:

I am a mind reader

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hadees:

it is my curse

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BSD_Tech:

lol

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hadees:

i guess i understand all the myth distros but i want my mythtv box really lean

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hadees:

thats why i use gentoo

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BSD_Tech:

grr dvds play diff evey time

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Kazan|WithWife:

i have KDE on my mythbox

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Kazan|WithWife:

doesn't cause any problems

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BSD_Tech:

well I plan to get a lighter ver

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Kazan|WithWife:

then.. my mythbox does have 1gb of ram

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hadees:

Kazan|WithWife, it is just a waste of resources though

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Kazan|WithWife:

i'm not in myth 100% of the time

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hadees:

well in that case it makes sense

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Kazan|WithWife:

i drop out of it when i put in DVDs with videos (DVD-ROM) in

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Kazan|WithWife:

and also when I want mlslive.tv :D

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** Kazan|WithWife wonders if there is a way to get mythVideo to include contents of DVD **

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hadees:

mlslive.tv, hmm intresting

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BSD_Tech:

mythtv needs to work with streaming tv servers on the net

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Kazan|WithWife:

hadees: major league soccer's webstreams

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hadees:

i wish mythtv could play slingplayer feeds, i have a slingbox at my parents house so I can watch Redskins games

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Kazan|WithWife:

BSD_Tech: mls live TV requires auth

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hadees:

thats about the only TV i watch outside of mythtv

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hadees:

BSD_Tech, there is something called Mythstream

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hadees:

it is alright but not really refined

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BSD_Tech:

ook will have to look into it

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hadees:

unfortunately no one seems to make any new plugins

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BSD_Tech:

yeah

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hadees:

there are a few good concept 3rd party plugins but aren't really updated anymore

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BSD_Tech:

yeah

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BSD_Tech:

I might have to go with freevo it seems to have more plugins

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BSD_Tech:

but I dont find a cd like mythtv for install

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hadees:

eh, MythTV is still better

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hadees:

freevo is more of a wrapper

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BSD_Tech:

I have no c background or I would make modules

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hadees:

BSD_Tech, i know C but modules aren't simple and i am not a fan of Qt

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hadees:

one of these days though i'll figure out how to do it

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BSD_Tech:

ahh and myth is based on qt

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BSD_Tech:

lol

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hadees:

hence KDE

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BSD_Tech:

yeah

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BSD_Tech:

but you dont need kde for qt

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BSD_Tech:

there is qt-non-x11

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Tanthrix:

Kazan|WithWife: As far as using MythVideo to play a dvd, assuming you don't have an ISO, you could just make a script that loads a particular folder (probably /mnt/dvd/) with your dvd playing app of choice

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hadees:

BSD_Tech, yeah but you need qt for KDE

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Tanthrix:

Kazan|WithWife: Then make a fake filetype that that has that script as the default player

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BSD_Tech:

well I am off to bed

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Kazan|WithWife:

not to play a DVD

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Kazan|WithWife:

it's a DVD-ROM

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hadees:

i was just saying thats why they, in their short sightedness, put KDE in a mythtv distribution

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Kazan|WithWife:

my DVDs play fine

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Kazan|WithWife:

i also have TV shows stored on DVD-ROM in 350-meg AVI

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Tanthrix:

Kazan|WithWife: What's the prob then? Just symlink your /mnt/dvd directory to whatever directory you have mythvideo set to point to

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Tanthrix:

Kazan|WithWife: If nothing is mounted it just won't show up. If it does, you can play your stuff.

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Tanthrix:

Kazan|WithWife: (Actually, that should read as make a symlink in your mythvideo directory that points to /mnt/dvd or wherever your drive mounts)

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Tanthrix:

In my myth video directory I've got symlinks to various mounted network shares as well as drives. Works great.

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Dagmar:

/window balance

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adante:

Tanthrix: interesting.. i've tried to use it with samba mounts, but i find when the mounts disappear it seems to fail pretty ungracefully

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monotonous:

hi

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monotonous:

does someone know how I get the headers into the system direcotries to make plugins? The debian package doesn't seem to install them. Do I have to manually built myth?

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pat_:

apt-get build-dep foo

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juski:

if you want to compile any component of mythtv (e.g. the plugins) you need to build all of mythtv from source

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sid3windr:

scant: I am now :)

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monotonous:

ok thx pat ans juski!

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Tanthrix:

adante: And it's important to note that I use myth purely as a file listing so I have the database part of it disabled. If you have thousands of files across network shares it can bog it all down as it tries to consult the DB for all the meta info.

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[miles]:

good morning

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[miles]:

guys, I've got a Sky Star 2 PCI card... with a serial IR dongle

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[miles]:

I just can not get the damn thing working...

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[miles]:

I'm currently trying a cat /dev/ttyS0 > remote , then hitting the buttons on the remote, but it gets no data

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[miles]:

I'm assuming cos it's serial, it should recieve the input no?

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juski:

[miles]: nah nah nah nah!

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RememberPOL:

hi

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[miles]:

:O

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[miles]:

juski: nope!

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RememberPOL:

i just installed mythtv on xubuntu 7.04 and it says it can't connect to a database, is there any easy way to configure it?

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[miles]:

juski: please, enlighten me

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anykey_:

RememberPOL: what could be easier than reading the documentation?

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RememberPOL:

so basically it looks like my problem is that i only installed the frontend, but I also need the backend?

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anykey_:

RememberPOL: that depends on what you want...

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anykey_:

RememberPOL: you need *one* master-backend, *any* slave-backends and *any* frontends

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RememberPOL:

got it

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juski:

[miles]: no, you need the lirc_serial module – see www.lirc.org#

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[miles]:

juski: ah it's ok, I've found a how to page.. when I get home, I'll test it out

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[miles]:

juski: but thanks anyway

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perlmonkey:

hi

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perlmonkey:

I'm having a prob with my card which is just recording static, i think the driver/firmware may have been screwed up by an overwrite during an upgrade. I have attempted to restore them from the ivtv wiki howto but no luck. any suggestions?

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perlmonkey:

dmesg reports: cx25840 1–0044: loaded v4l-cx25840.fw firmware (16382 bytes)

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juski:

perlmonkey: isn't it supposed to be recording the svideo input from your cable box?

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perlmonkey:

yeah exactly

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perlmonkey:

the kernel module seems to be not installed, i just ran module-assistant

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juski:

I'd say it was more a mythtv issue – run mythtv-setup & make sure it's still configured right

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juski:

the very fact you get 'static' recorded proves the mpeg encoder is working

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perlmonkey:

ah good point

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: is your card set to the s-video input?!

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perlmonkey:

its very strange because its been working fine until a couple of days ago and the only thing I did which I think might of affected it, was i was downloading some packages for another system and one of the packages accidently downloaded and installed ivtv driver module

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juski:

jesus h fucking christ

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perlmonkey:

well the way I have set is the cable signal out (standing one which goes into TV aeral socket) going into the card

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perlmonkey:

and i have a scart cable now for the stb to tv

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juski:

perlmonkey: DUH

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juski:

coax != svideo

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anykey_:

jip, svideo > coax :-)

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perlmonkey:

im confused :-/

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juski:

and FYI cable STBs do not output on the aerial output – it's simply a passthru

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perlmonkey:

oh

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anykey_:

juski: mine does on channel 36 or something

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juski:

certainly not the Pace 4000 ones like you've got

[09:03:38]

juski:

anykey_: some do, but NTL/Telewest ones don't

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anykey_:

ah ok

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: just use a scart to s-video cable

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: you'll get the best results with that...

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perlmonkey:

ok

[09:04:10]

perlmonkey:

I have such a cable

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juski:

oh and those boxes also do not do svideo – only composite or RGB

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anykey_:

ah

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anykey_:

crap boxes

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perlmonkey:

thats right, i noticed on the settings section of the stb it allows switching between RGB and Composite video modes

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juski:

well some might.. YMMV

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** juski installs ethereal **

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anykey_:

wireshark

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anykey_:

:p

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perlmonkey:

so using the coax cable will give poor quality recordings?

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juski:

perlmonkey: yes

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perlmonkey:

sheesh

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juski:

no bloody wonder you're getting static anyway

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perlmonkey:

i had it all setup wrong from the word go then it seems

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juski:

coax is shite and the audio is only ever MONO

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perlmonkey:

well it worked quite well initially tho i was impressed with the picture quality of recordings

[09:06:44]

perlmonkey:

although it was a bit fuzzy at full screen

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perlmonkey:

ah

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juski:

perlmonkey: that'd be more the default capture res of 480x480

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perlmonkey:

yes

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juski:

blurry, yucky

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perlmonkey:

heh

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perlmonkey:

i will change the cable then to svideo

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juski:

some folks say they don't notice the improvement when they go to 720xwhatever. they must have shite TVs

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perlmonkey:

i have a scart adaptor which allows svideo out

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perlmonkey:

yes

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: is this adapter the right signal direction?

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anykey_:

mine was s-video/rca -> scart :|

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perlmonkey:

ive used that adaptor previously to get svideo from my vcr scart socket into an old bt848 card

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perlmonkey:

should be ok?

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perlmonkey:

ah

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anykey_:

hm, which bt848 card has s-video?

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perlmonkey:

i think im still confused

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perlmonkey:

my cable is not svideo I dont think, its composite?

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rsdvd:

if it was a bt848 it is more likley composite not svideo

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perlmonkey:

thats right then

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: http://www.zpluscable.com/images/products/prem-svideo-end.jpg <- this is s-video

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perlmonkey:

thanks

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: but your box *must* be able to output s-video over scart

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rsdvd:

as juski said earlier – it is unlikly to be outputting svideo anyway....go with the composite

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perlmonkey:

ok

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perlmonkey:

I will go switch over to composite

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rsdvd:

composite is better than coax(by far) but not as good as svideo

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rsdvd:

I use composite to record from my sky box

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perlmonkey:

my scart adaptor has svideo out on it :-|

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perlmonkey:

on the stb are 2 x scart, one for tv out and one for vcr out

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directhex|work:

scart is a complex beastie

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juski:

nah

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perlmonkey:

i have only 1 scart cable

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directhex|work:

well. kinda.

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perlmonkey:

plenty of composite cables

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perlmonkey:

i dont think i have svideo

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: stop thinking about s-video

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directhex|work:

scart can carry three types of signal, with no guarantees of what's supported at both ends. scart can carry svideo – but doesn't necessarily

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juski:

scart can be rgb, composite or svideo – all with stereo audio. composite & audio can go both ways – they have in & out in the same plug

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perlmonkey:

scart is better than svideo?

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rsdvd:

scart is just a name for the plug

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directhex|work:

scart is just a plug, that may or may not contain svideo

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rsdvd:

it is used to carry svideo/RGB/composite etc

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perlmonkey:

oh so its just like all the different outputs in one big plug

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hads:

or audio or video

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directhex|work:

the idea is having a single fat plug with no guarantees of what's supported at both ends is easier than separate connectors

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directhex|work:

perlmonkey, precisely

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perlmonkey:

ok

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hads:

Buts it's only really common in the UK

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juski:

In Europe actually

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rsdvd:

and france......called peritel over there though

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perlmonkey:

so ideally I want an svideo lead to go from my pvr card to my scart adaptor on stb

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juski:

god I wish to hell folks would get their fucking facts right

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hads:

And I wich you didn't whine so much, but hey... :)

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directhex|work:

perlmonkey, assuming your STB is outputting on the s-video pins. which it might not

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juski:

yeah well if more folks had a fucking clue I wouldn't need to whine so much!

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perlmonkey:

oh

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rsdvd:

well instead of whining......correct whoever was wrong (politely)

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** perlmonkey checks his box of cables to see if theres an svideo lurking around **

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directhex|work:

things get even more fun if you import things from japan, because they have a connector that looks & tastes like scart, but has the voltage and earth pins in a different place, leading to exciting equipment damage

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hads:

Yes, my bad. I was being ignorant and incorrectly referring to Europe as the UK

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juski:

the snag with stbs outputting svideo and/or composite on SCART is that one of the lines in svideo is the same pin as composite – so you'd get one or the other *not* *both*

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Dagmar:

Tastes like scart?

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: juski mentioned that the NTL boxes don't have S-Video out, so you probably want to search for a Scart->Composite cable

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Dagmar:

I like your testing techniques.

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, you can't get a feel for electronics without giving it a proper sampling with all the senses!

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Dagmar:

I used to pull that on customers who questioned when I told them their RAM was bad.

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hads:

juski: I have an excuse danmit! It's roughly 12th beer o'clock here.

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directhex|work:

why is my laptop suspended? i don't remember suspending it.

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Dagmar:

"How can you tell it's bad?" they'd say... Me, not wanting to bother explaining how the very expensive but entirely visually laughable RAM tester works, would just lick it and say "It tastes bad, see?" and hold it out for them to lick.

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** juski hands a kitten an IEC mains cable to taste **

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juski:

ZZZZZZZZZZZZT!

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juski:

oops

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hads:

I remember when I was young tongue testing a cable straight from the mains to see if it was like a 9v battery.

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hads:

It wasn't.

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Dagmar:

whooohoo

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** directhex|work hands juski the wrong end of a 32A commando plug **

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Dagmar:

I used to strip phone cable with my teeth, but I was never so crazy to go licking a 110VAC line

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hads:

240v here :)

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juski:

so natural selection doesn't always work :)

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hads:

heh

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hads:

I was naturally selected to be lucky.

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hads:

Well, luck I'm not dead – not luck as in wins lotteries.

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Dagmar:

So next time buy a lottery ticket while you simultaneously lick a power main

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Dagmar:

GOOD NEWS

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Dagmar:

CentOS *finally* had another release

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Dagmar:

...so we can stop telling CentOS users "You're doomed. Install something else."

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Dagmar:

;)

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Dagmar:

Now we can shorten it to "compiz isn't stable, dude"

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juski:

"game over man, game over"

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hads:

I've actually been playing with compix/beryl lately. Which is suprising as I'm not really much of an eyecandy type person.

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juski:

I'm an eyecandy type person yet very much unmoved by wobbly window gashness

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hads:

I'm quite impressed actually. Last time I had a look it required Xgl etc., now I just needed the nvidia drivers.

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directhex|work:

wobbly windows are annoying, but the expose rip-off is nice

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directhex|work:

shame compiz/xgl/whatever aren't ready for primetime

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hads:

juski: I actually quite like the transparent cube deal.

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hads:

Much more usable than wobbly stuff

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juski:

I'm really not impressed by any of it tbh

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hads:

It amuses me how you can see the reverse of a video that is playing on the other side of the cube while trying to work.

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juski:

til I can see a *use* for it

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juski:

well, maybe when I stop being a miserable fuck

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directhex|work:

i prefer the expose feature to alt-tab or the taskbar or similar. but it's not worth the instabilities it brings in

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hads:

heh. I've never really been a multiple desktop person but if I can see there's a window in the background that I want it seems to work to do a scroll wheel action on the desktop and spin it around.

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perlmonkey:

well its all hooked up now via composite but cat test still records static :-/

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juski:

perlmonkey: course it does!

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perlmonkey:

why?

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juski:

you've not used v4l2ctl or ivtvctl to switch the card to the correct input

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perlmonkey:

oh

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juski:

oh indeedy

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Solv:

I just did my second ever recording of LiveTV and recorded the Simpsons. I then went back to watch it to test out the commercial skipping, but it didn't detect anything. I made sure it was switched to auto-skip on...the one thing I did notice was that the option wasn't turned on in the menu before I recorded, only after. Is this the problem? My first ever recording that I played back notified me of a commercial break, and I didn't ahve the

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: v4l2ctl --list-inputs and v4l2ctl --set-input should do the job

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perlmonkey:

thanks :)

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juski:

perlmonkey: what anykey_ said depends on what version of ivtv you've got there

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Solv:

from mythtv wiki:Note: 'Automatically flag commercials' in a show's recording options must be enabled for any method other than 'blank frame detection' to work. That is to say, only blank frame detection flagging will work if commflagging is run as a job at a later date.

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perlmonkey:

I installed the deb package which I think is version 0.10 for the 2.6.18 kernel

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Solv:

does that mean that the program that worked happened to have blank frames, but the Simpsons didn't so that's why it has't detected them?

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: I think then you should be fine with v4l2ctl

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perlmonkey:

v4l2ctl: command not found. seem to be missing something :-/

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directhex|work:

ivtv-utils: usr/bin/v4l2-ctl

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perlmonkey:

thanks

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juski:

Solv: it means that for any other method than blank frame detection to work, it must be done at the time of the recording, not after the fact

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perlmonkey:

woohoo its working! thanks guys

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perlmonkey:

:D

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perlmonkey:

theres a lot of lines on the test video on the right hand side of picture but I guess that will go away in mythtv?

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Savi1:

hello again :)

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perlmonkey:

hi Savi1

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Savi1:

is it possible to have list view in mythvideo display dir structure while gallery view – not?

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juski:

Savi1: eh?

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juski:

oh!

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juski:

no you can't

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Savi1:

ah

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juski:

oh wait yes you can

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juski:

see the settings menu pages

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Dagmar:

Umm... Then it wouldn't be gallery view, now would it?

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juski:

gallery mode browses files.. etc

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Dagmar:

It would then be _tree view_

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Savi1:

juski: yeah that only changes if not-scanned files are displayed or not

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hads:

Yay, for paste control – silly middle buttons

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juski:

so that'd be a big fat NO

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Savi1:

;]

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Dagmar:

hads: You should try using one of those fancy Logitech mice

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hads:

What do they do?

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Dagmar:

You have to be careful how you grab them or they'll paste stuff

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Dagmar:

Too many damn buttons

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hads:

heh

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Savi1:

ok two more questions – what tool should I use to update translations?

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hads:

Dagmar: I just have fat thumbs. I'm on a thinkpad.

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Dagmar:

Savi1: None, one would hope

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Dagmar:

Not unless you're _doing_ the translations

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Savi1:

I am

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Dagmar:

There are docs on that man

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Dagmar:

In many languages, oddly enough

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Savi1:

and second – I want to write a patch that would allow to set in mythfrontend / mythsetup if it's allowed to shut down the machine with combined FE/BE – where do You think I should put the checkbox? FE or BE?

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directhex|work:

it's a setting relating to the mythfrontend app

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directhex|work:

so i'd make it a frontend setting

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Savi1:

on the other hand – one would like to have his backend secure from this kind of "intrusion"

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hads:

Savi1: That's a good idea. I've thought about that occasionally for a friend who likes to dual boot his box.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I dont like people attempting to intrude on my back end either

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hads:

hah

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Savi1:

heh

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Savi1:

will kbabel work with the xml files and all?

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Dagmar:

No, those you should be able to figure out because _they're XML and obvious_

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Dagmar:

I thought you were talking about translating the strings used by the binaries, not the XML

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Dagmar:

Hmmm... "Gutsy Gibbon".

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hads:

Yeah...

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Dagmar:

nutsy babboon?

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Dagmar:

Or I guess just "nutsy" for short

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hads:

Lucky it wasn't Gusty Gibbon.

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Dagmar:

Flatulent Babboon

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hads:

Exactly :)

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perlmonkey:

phew its working now in mythfrontend but the picture is jittery and slow

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juski:

perlmonkey: prolly need to install the proper drivers for your vga card

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juski:

proper, as in nvidia binaries if you have a nvidia card

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perlmonkey:

ah

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perlmonkey:

I have an MGA G200 AGP

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juski:

matrox? bleugh

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Dagmar:

hahah

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perlmonkey:

not good?

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Dagmar:

Chuck it

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hads:

Nvidia cards are cheap :)

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Dagmar:

I'm suprised that card hasn't already died

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ZAKhan:

can someone suggest a remote controller for mythtv .. i have it installed on ubuntu

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Dagmar:

Anything cheap with lots of buttons

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hads:

I like the MS MCE remotes.

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juski:

I like my OFA-6 with my homebrew serial receiver :)

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hads:

Even if they do forget how to program :/

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directhex|work:

if you can point it at some kind of receiver, then it'll probably work with enough effort

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hads:

indeed

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Dagmar:

Note well the phrase: "with enough effort"

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directhex|work:

i'm still waiting for the next release of the ps3 remote driver – the one that actually does things instead of just writing things to the screen

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directhex|work:

or i could do something myself, but... bleh :(

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directhex|work:

once that works it'll be a great solution. no ugly receivers, just a bluetooth module of some kind somewhere

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perlmonkey:

its all working beautifully now! thanks everyone for all your help :)

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juski:

nice :)

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juski:

woo almost lunchytime

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perlmonkey:

ya

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juski:

then after that, 2.5 hours more work, then curry night yay!

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Dagmar:

Okay, I really do *not* get what the hell the Gaim guys are talking about

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Dagmar:

"On legal advice, we have refrained from any non-beta release during this process as a show of good faith, and to keep AOL from giving up on it."

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Dagmar:

Was the guy that wrote that *high*??

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Dagmar:

They've had six betas of 2.0.0, and about that many of 1.5.0 as well

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Dagmar:

...and definitely had 1.5.0 in non beta

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hads:

Weird

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hads:

Is that the Digium Mark Spencer?

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hads:

That whole article just seems odd.

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hads:

It almost seems like it should be dated 5 days earlier.

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gardengnome:

juski: you might enjoy that one: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2960#comment:2

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Dagmar:

Personally, I think it should keep going until it hits the end of the show

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hads:

Not a bad idea if it is a crash. Probably not if the frontend exits upon user request though.

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hads:

Unless I'm not in a fit state to read anymore :)

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linuxr:

anyone ever try linux mce ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

linuxr: Tried what? ;-)

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linuxr:

linux mce, check it out at hang on getting url

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hads:

I think that may have been sarcasm :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

linuxr: I know what it is, but from what I've seen so far, it's just Vapourware...

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linuxr:

I saw the video on it, if it does what it says then its not bad.

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directhex|work:

it's a plutohome distribution

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linuxr:

Plutohome?

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Dagmar:

wow

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hads:

Yes it is.

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Dagmar:

Well, I was *going* to help my coworker get his myth box running

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Dagmar:

...but is install of Knoppmyth is broken like I would have never guessed possible.

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directhex|work:

linuxr, home automation suite partially based on myth

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directhex|work:

linuxr, from a company that wants to sell you home automation kit

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linuxr:

That I know so far.

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hads:

linuxr: http://www.google.com/search?q=plutohome

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Dagmar:

We tried to find out what version of ivtv it was using, so we ran `modinfo ivtv`... and it stops *and slaughters the ssh session* after the second line.

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hads:

Wow

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Dagmar:

Tried to ls in /proc, *blam* dead connection again

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hads:

That's not so cool

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Dagmar:

Tried to less the pslist, *blam* dead connection

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Dagmar:

I'm like, "umm... When you get home, install Slack 11"

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Dagmar:

I'm astonished the main sshd wasn't dying off

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hads:

That's just generally weird.

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dibblah:

proc / sysfs wedged.

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Dibblah:

Seen it once before with a dodgy long USB cable.

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linuxr:

Thanks for the info.

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Dibblah:

ie 5m extension, 1m device cable.

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hads:

Yuo

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hads:

erm.. yup

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Dibblah:

*why* they sell 5m extensions is beyond me.

[11:29:58]

hound:

I'm looking at the HDHomeRun, it's product site leaves a lot to the imagination... how's it work? All I see is an ethernet port. I'm curious what it communicates over the ethernet, MPEG?

[11:30:04]

perlmonkey:

sheesh mythtv is still recording static :-/

[11:30:13]

Dibblah:

hound: Yesish.

[11:30:16]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: No USB cables involved, just a simple machine

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Dibblah:

It streams whatever your broadcaster is sending over the network.

[11:30:36]

Dagmar:

Either he's about to find out he's blown his CPU up, or KnoppMyth *really* screwed the pooch

[11:31:56]

Dibblah:

Reboot didn't fix it?

[11:33:24]

** perlmonkey is too dumb **

[11:36:15]

perlmonkey:

tis working now just need to tune in the card

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juski:

gardengnome: hahaha like it

[11:41:27]

Dagmar:

Dibblah: Honestly, I kinda doubt the damn thing could complete the reboot sequence

[11:42:21]

Dagmar:

I'm gonna have him try it tho', because it's not like we've anything to *lose* at this point if it doesn't come back up

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Como:

errrrmph, its morning again

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adante:

Tanthrix: how do you disable the database part? all i want is file listing as well

[11:44:25]

adante:

Tanthrix: and yeah i understand its samba going cactus.. i was just curious because you said it works great, while my experience hasn't been so good (regardless of whats causing it)

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d31`:

Anybody familiar with Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=31, backend=30) when trying to connect to mythweb?

[11:48:32]

Dibblah:

You need to restart your backend.

[11:48:42]

Dibblah:

After you did the upgrade.

[11:48:51]

d31`:

i've done that

[11:48:57]

d31`:

the backend actually crashes

[11:49:13]

Dibblah:

In that case, you need to be running the same version on both parts.

[11:49:35]

d31`:

hmm...i got mythweb and mythtv from apt...

[11:50:01]

Dibblah:

Have you ever installed mythtv from source?

[11:50:23]

d31`:

No. I installed it via apt

[11:50:41]

directhex|work:

apt from which repository onto which distribution?

[11:50:54]

d31`:

iirc it was from universal on ubuntu edgy

[11:51:52]

juski:

woo the truth is out on mythtvmultiplex

[11:52:09]

Como:

can i handle the truth?

[11:52:25]

Dagmar:

Truth?

[11:53:11]

gardengnome:

juski: ?

[11:53:18]

juski:

Dagmar: the guy who owns the company putting up the fee is also connected to a company looking to produce a mythtv-based commercial dvr

[11:53:32]

sid3windr:

lol

[11:53:40]

sid3windr:

so he's first asking money

[11:53:45]

sid3windr:

and then he'll turn it into a commercial product?

[11:53:47]

gardengnome:

juski: osp.fi were the guys who conductec that usability study.

[11:54:08]

gardengnome:

sid3windr: it'll still be GPL and people other than him will also benefit from the new code. what's thr problem?

[11:54:30]

gardengnome:

it looks like they'll have to pay the majority of the bounty themselves anyways

[11:54:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

hehe

[11:55:15]

Dibblah:

Recording multiple channels from a mux is a really complex proposition.

[11:55:26]

gardengnome:

it's GPL. it's not bad if someone makes money with it.

[11:55:44]

Dibblah:

Really, it needs the scheduler broken out from the big ugly query.

[11:56:05]

Dibblah:

Yes, I know you're supposed to let SQL 'do it's thing', but...

[11:56:14]

directhex|work:

d31`, edgy's myth packages haven't changes since last year

[11:56:25]

d31`:

heh, great

[11:56:44]

directhex|work:

d31`, are you running mythbackend and mythweb on different machines?

[11:56:52]

d31`:

directhex|work, same machine

[11:57:43]

d31`:

directhex|work, i changed one of the contstants in mythbackend.php to have protocol 31...but im hesitant to keep the change

[11:58:12]

directhex|work:

d31`, standard distribution-provided mythtv-backend and mythweb packages?

[11:58:18]

sid3windr:

gardengnome: sure, it'll be gpl — I just think it's odd we pay for something they plan to make money from; I'd say they code it and pay themselves from the income they get from it :p

[11:58:31]

d31`:

directhex|work, yeah, nothing custom, straight out of apt

[11:59:03]

directhex|work:

d31`, how odd. file a bug? i've been using more recent packages for assorted fix-related reasons

[11:59:17]

Dibblah:

Nice quote from the nouveau group: "People are actually trying to use our drivers! Folks, even WE don't use our drivers, why would you?"

[11:59:33]

janneg:

juski: I wasn't aware that they have such a tight bound but the general setup was clear obvious at least for us devs

[11:59:36]

gardengnome:

sid3windr: they should have mentioned earlier they want to make money from it, true.

[12:00:34]

Dibblah:

It's not actually Jochen behind it, is it?

[12:00:51]

gardengnome:

Dibblah: no.

[12:00:56]

gardengnome:

Dibblah: but he's contributed 25 bucks

[12:01:06]

Dibblah:

Ah. Just a vocal supporter, then :)

[12:01:09]

gardengnome:

heh

[12:01:15]

janneg:

the initial announcement was unfortunate, but I think after the quick updates to the site and and the clarification emails from johnny it is ok

[12:01:22]

gardengnome:

i'll miss his weekly email to -dev.

[12:01:53]

Dibblah:

Must get round to killing off my ticket in Trac at some point, now I have water under the floor in the living room.

[12:02:19]

Dibblah:

Err... Underfloor heating. Not some sort of feng-sui stream.

[12:02:33]

directhex|work:

a feng sui stream would be cool

[12:02:35]

juski:

oh boy – I can smell some blue touch paper is being set light to.. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/263375

[12:02:49]

Dibblah:

Heh.

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[12:03:14]

Dibblah:

Looked at the mythui stuff for a couple of days.

[12:03:30]

Dibblah:

My brain just isn't up to tracing through the functionality :(

[12:03:35]

janneg:

gardengnome: make that 34 bucks and his posting weren't that regular and often

[12:03:35]

juski:

Dibblah: I thought you were alluding to your new livingroom floor that parts to reveal a swimming pool below ;)

[12:03:47]

Dibblah:

And... The branch for mythui isn't helpful.

[12:03:56]

Dibblah:

juski: Now that would be cool.

[12:04:16]

juski:

more than cool even :)

[12:05:00]

Dagmar:

What the hell is blue touch paper?

[12:05:21]

juski:

if I could code I'd prolly be looking at using some extra libs to make the gui more blingy

[12:05:40]

juski:

Dagmar: the part of fireworks you light before running away

[12:05:46]

Dagmar:

Oh... Okay.

[12:05:51]

Dagmar:

We call those "fuses"

[12:05:54]

Dagmar:

;)

[12:06:33]

Dagmar:

I've just bounce the URL for a C++ primer at him

[12:06:35]

Dibblah:

Nah, just insulation, pipes, concrete, T&G chipboard, engineered wood floor, skirting,...

[12:06:47]

anykey_:

juski: well, the thread suggested to make plugins able to minimize... now I think that would confuse users more than it would help...

[12:08:14]

juski:

anykey_: I think minimising plugins would be a bad idea too – wasn't it the mfd that was gonna do stuff like allowing musak to play while you go off to do other stuff?

[12:08:22]

Dagmar:

A nail up through the chin like that isn't an accident, it's someone deciding to leave his job in a very dramatic way

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[12:09:04]

anykey_:

juski: well, personally I don't see any reason for something like that. I don't want to listen to music while watching tv for example... but it's just imho ;-)

[12:09:15]

Dagmar:

I'm with anykey

[12:09:32]

gardengnome:

mythgallery and mythmusic would go well together, though

[12:09:49]

juski:

yeah as would being able to do everything bar watch videos & tv

[12:10:10]

anykey_:

well, good points

[12:12:42]

juski:

anyway when all's said & done the UI could maybe do with some work but ffs mythtv is great as it is. what it lacks in style is more than made up for by _usefulness_

[12:13:17]

juski:

you don't spend all night watching rotating cubic shit on your tv do you? ;)

[12:13:51]

janneg:

juski: that depends on the drugs you take :)

[12:14:30]

gardengnome:

you wouldn't need a TV then.

[12:16:49]

pat_:

anybody got a quick heads up on the available repositories for 0.20-fixes for centos 5.0?

[12:17:33]

pat_:

is it the same as the atrpms 0.20–154?

[12:19:50]

directhex|work:

so, does someone smarter than me feel like writing some kind of driver for the ps3 remote? :p

[12:20:18]

Dagmar:

Sure. Send me a PS3

[12:20:21]

Dagmar:

=)

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directhex|work:

i kinda had the remote in mind more than the console

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speedsix:

hi all

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hads:

juski: Do you have a public link to this multiplex business?

[12:40:20]

anykey_:

hads: mythtvmultiplex.osp.fi I think

[12:42:00]

hads:

anykey_: Cheers, I know about that. It sounded like there might be some new news.

[12:42:30]

clever[rev]:

if i have my tvinput card at /dev/video0

[12:42:35]

clever[rev]:

and a webcam at /dev/video1

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juski:

-users mailing list :)

[12:42:58]

clever[rev]:

can i view the webcam thru any mythfrontend treating it like a livetv feed?

[12:43:13]

hads:

juski: Ahh, I only looked at -dev :)

[12:43:23]

clever[rev]:

and/or record the webcam automaticaly at set times

[12:43:41]

anykey_:

hads: a sorry, misunderstood you then

[12:44:00]

** juski looks for thr remote **

[12:48:22]

juski:

finds another... doesn't work. no positive terminal in the battery compartment. fucking cheap crap

[12:49:41]

clever[rev]:

lol

[12:49:47]

juski:

and to think I was even considering selling a custom version of that for mythtv use

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directhex|work:

juski, custom version of what?

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gardengnome:

of a remote

[12:52:52]

directhex|work:

nah, you should help me get the ps3 remote to do things. A10100000000FFFFFFFFFF0005 is the key!

[12:56:43]

juski:

I should do no such thing

[12:56:57]

juski:

I'm not paying over 400 quids for a remote to use with mythtv

[12:57:48]

directhex|work:

it's a fifteen quid remote

[12:58:20]

juski:

what's so special about it?

[12:58:56]

directhex|work:

it's bluetooth, removing the need for a line-of-sight IR receiver

[12:59:35]

juski:

it's an extra thing to have in my livingroom where I just have the one remote now though :)

[12:59:58]

directhex|work:

that's true

[13:00:02]

juski:

unless I point my remote out the patio doors, the whole room is line of sight ;)

[13:00:13]

Dibblah:

juski: One remote? That's _very_ minimalist.

[13:00:28]

Dibblah:

Personally, I have a sofa and a projector as well ;)

[13:00:38]

juski:

one remote – for the TV, mythtv , my cable STBs & my amp

[13:00:41]

directhex|work:

juski, a one-for-all?

[13:00:53]

juski:

aye.. ofa-6

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Dibblah:

Everything apart from the projector is in the cupboard-under-the-stairs :)

[13:01:14]

directhex|work:

emulating which device? or did you do the loearning-mode-and-ir-keyboard trick?

[13:01:35]

juski:

directhex|work: I made my own codes & re-programmed the remote from scratch

[13:01:58]

Dibblah:

A JP2 fan, then?

[13:02:03]

juski:

JP1, even

[13:02:19]

Dibblah:

Errr... Yeah, that.

[13:02:26]

directhex|work:

juski, neat. doesn't help me though :p

[13:02:28]

juski:

not a fan – I just saw it as a necessary evil when I found out it's not that much of a learning remote

[13:02:53]

directhex|work:

i used to have a kameleon

[13:03:21]

directhex|work:

almost all the buttons worked when emulating some foreign satelite STB remote, so i learnt to live with a couple of dead keys

[13:03:52]

juski:

been years since we had more than one remote at home now

[13:04:30]

juski:

ugh! the ps3 remote is black! bleugh

[13:05:27]

juski:

very 80s

[13:06:18]

directhex|work:

most of the OFA remotes are horible fake silver plastic, which isn't an improvement

[13:06:46]

juski:

I reckon it is

[13:06:56]

juski:

anything's better than black

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hads:

That DVB multiplex deal looks good.

[13:08:45]

sid3windr:

yup :)

[13:10:05]

directhex|work:

four thousand pounds for the functionality, though. that's a lot of moolah

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hads:

*shrug* not that much split between 3 developers

[13:11:38]

janneg:

the apple remote is white but has no buttons ;)

[13:11:46]

dannyp:

so I've got mythtv set up with the cxm driver on FreeBSD, and everything is kosher (thanks guys!) except when I watch live tv, it doesn't seem to buffer anything to disk, and consequently an underlying problem with the cxm driver makes the video choppy and unwatchable

[13:11:49]

hads:

I like buttons

[13:12:03]

dannyp:

if I hit back, however, it ends up writing to disk and playing from that, and that looks and works great

[13:13:04]

directhex|work:

i have a spare apple remote. but i wanted many buttons and no reliance upon anything serialporty like an ir receiver

[13:13:08]

jrr:

anyone know of a sound card, with linux support, that encodes dolby digital?

[13:13:09]

janneg:

hads: iirc it has a few but not enough to use it with mythtv

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directhex|work:

jrr, nvsound, technically. not that i'd use it

[13:13:47]

hads:

janneg: Indeed. Not enough for me. I like to be able to switch off the TV etc.

[13:14:29]

jrr:

i just got one of these, sillily without first researching linux support: http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/mtgoddl/home.aspx

[13:15:49]

Dagmar:

Yeah, anything with Dolby integrated is kind of doomed

[13:15:51]

Como:

are you regretting the decision?

[13:16:08]

Dagmar:

They've recently gotten pissy about people distributing libdts even

[13:16:23]

directhex|work:

dts is dtstech, not dolby

[13:16:27]

Como:

light them on fire

[13:16:32]

directhex|work:

dts inc, even

[13:17:18]

jrr:

it'll be a great card in windowsland, and it sounds like i might not use myth much anyway in order to maintain surround

[13:21:28]

** Kazan|WithWife wonders if phlegm ever managed to figure out a method of securing his mythPron from the kids **

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[13:22:31]

Kazan:

now that's an idea for a plugin

[13:22:33]

Kazan:

MythPorn :D

[13:22:52]

directhex|work:

merge it with porn-get

[13:23:31]

anykey_:

someone using an MSI K9N Platinum board?

[13:23:50]

Kazan:

i am

[13:23:55]

Kazan:

i have two infact

[13:24:04]

Kazan:

directhex|work: that a real app?

[13:24:10]

Kazan:

anykey_: not using them for myth though

[13:24:19]

anykey_:

Kazan: is everything working correctly with linux?

[13:24:23]

Kazan:

anykey_: they're my wife's and my windows gaming boxes for playing Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

[13:24:25]

anykey_:

Kazan: dual gbit ethernet and so on?

[13:24:28]

anykey_:

ah

[13:24:31]

Kazan:

i suppose i could bust out a liveCD and find out

[13:24:38]

directhex|work:

Kazan, sure. porn-get update && porn-get install foo

[13:24:42]

Kazan:

just need to figure out if i have one that's recent

[13:24:50]

Kazan:

directhex|work: heh

[13:24:59]

juski:

I have a question about MythPorn actually – what key is the 'vinegar stroke' button bound to by default?

[13:25:22]

anykey_:

Kazan: if you have the time, i'd be more than happy if you could look at it quickly :-)

[13:26:44]

Kazan:

juski: wtf?

[13:26:55]

Kazan:

anykey_: hmm.... i have no idea if i have a recent live cd

[13:27:01]

Kazan:

anykey_: i don't think i do

[13:27:56]

Kazan:

speaking of MythPorn... just bought three DVDs for my wife... finding ones for her is difficult... finding ones that both of us will like is harder

[13:27:58]

juski:

it's the button which slows down the slideshow for the 'almost ready' moment

[13:28:05]

Kazan:

lol juski

[13:28:16]

Dagmar:

Yeah, they tend to frown on the browneye stuff

[13:28:18]

Kazan:

i'm talking about video porn juski

[13:28:23]

Kazan:

still pictures... pffft

[13:28:25]

Kazan:

dagmar: so do i

[13:28:27]

anykey_:

Kazan: well, I'm going to do some research on the net then

[13:28:36]

Kazan:

anykey_: luck

[13:29:30]

juski:

your wife doesn't like lesbians? you got the wrong wife

[13:29:45]

Kazan:

maybe i misunderstood what he meant by browneye....

[13:30:10]

Dagmar:

Well, I mean without that, what's the circus midget going to do?

[13:30:12]

gardengnome:

remember, this channel is publically logged

[13:30:17]

Kazan:

rotfl

[13:30:20]

Kazan:

so what garden

[13:30:22]

Dagmar:

Stand around and serve drinks?

[13:30:27]

Kazan:

anyone who won't admit they like porn is a square

[13:30:36]

Kazan:

and i no didn't misunderstand him :P just checked urbandict

[13:30:39]

juski:

or getting enough

[13:30:41]

gardengnome:

Kazan: just a friendly reminder, i don't care :)

[13:30:42]

Dagmar:

Some people genuinely don't like potn.

[13:30:58]

Kazan:

conditioned response

[13:31:33]

Kazan:

the wife likes story-based ... so problem is much of that stuff is softcore.... but i like hardcore (straight... no browneye) — so finding a cross between the two

[13:31:56]

directhex|work:

Kazan, could be worse

[13:32:04]

Kazan:

directhex|work:?

[13:32:20]

Kazan:

(example of the stuff she likes: debbie does dallas)

[13:32:40]

Kazan:

oh.. and not every chick in the film can be airbrushed perfection

[13:32:41]

directhex|work:

Kazan, british porn laws are... well.

[13:32:42]

Dagmar:

Do you guys play World of Warcraft? :)

[13:33:01]

directhex|work:

Dagmar, a little. a friend bought me & the fiancee 1-month subscriptions to try it out

[13:33:16]

Beirdo:

sounds like Kazan prefers World of Wanking

[13:33:18]

Kazan:

directhex|work: huh?

[13:33:24]

Kazan:

Dagmar: no

[13:33:46]

Kazan:

Dagmar: World of Crapcraft and it's spyware aren't allowed within my house

[13:34:01]

Kazan:

Beirdo: no need for me to wank when i got my wife to put out :P

[13:34:23]

Beirdo:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Okay, firstly, don't bother badmouthing something you've no first-hand experience with. Secondly, I was going to suggest if she wanted storyline, there's actually professionally-done WoW-themed pron now. (which is hilarious)

[13:35:04]

Kazan:

directhex|work: normal european tv shows bare breasts and shit on normal channels after 10... atleast in germany when i was there

[13:35:18]

Kazan:

directhex|work: a bare breast on TV in the united states would be "ZOMG FINE THEM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!!!"

[13:35:28]

Kazan:

directhex|work: "think of the children terrorized by seeing a breast!"

[13:35:50]

Kazan:

directhex|work: and what about home viewing, DVDs, over there?

[13:36:47]

directhex|work:

Kazan, 18-rated can't show anything "real" in it (lots of bad camera angles and fake grunting); R18-rated is hard to get

[13:36:51]

directhex|work:

unless you live in london

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Kazan:

Dagmar: 1) seen wow 2) seen the type of l33t-k1dd13z that play wow 3) i hate PVP 4) i don't need blizzard snooping around my source code on my harddrive 5) don't need blizzard snooping around other things CopyRight Kazan on my HD

[13:37:12]

Kazan:

directhex|work: do they open international packages containing DVDs?

[13:37:26]

Kazan:

directhex|work: or heck.. you can probably order from germany – much closer than the states

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directhex|work:

Kazan, expensive

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Kazan:

wtf is it with the UK and censorsing that anyway?

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Kazan:

there is always bittorrent :D

[13:38:31]

opello:

and the chunnel?

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Kazan:

hmm opello?

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Kazan:

oh

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opello:

drive

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Kazan:

i misread

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Beirdo:

uhh, the chunnel is for trains only last I heard :)

[13:39:28]

opello:

oh, well, take a trip then :)

[13:39:31]

Kazan:

bingo

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opello:

Beirdo: i've never been there :P

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Kazan:

a Pornocation

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Beirdo:

neither have I yet

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Beirdo:

one of these decades :)

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opello:

heh

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juski:

Dagmar: I don't play WoW.. I have a 'real' life outside this channel. an ever-decreasing one, but it's real all the same

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Kazan:

censorship is the lame

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Kazan:

and the content industry in america is even more lame

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Dagmar:

juski: I mainly just work the auction house

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Dagmar:

I'm too lazy to go out and hunt things for in-game money

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Dagmar:

So every other day I login for about 10 minutes and tumble some auctions.

[13:41:09]

Dagmar:

I wish the stock market were this easy. I could quit my job and do Linux full time.

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Kazan:

did i mention that writing code to interface with LDAP is a beotch

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directhex|work:

i'm well versed in ldap interfacing

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** juski notices it's only 40 mins til hometime :) **

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juski:

tick, tock..

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directhex|work:

you have a very early hometime

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juski:

we do, if we get in before 7.30am :)

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jimbalaya:

the video that i see, when watching tv through myth, looks like i'm watching it on a computer (compressed, i guess, the characters are usually fine but the background is obviously ... wrong ...)

[14:12:26]

jimbalaya:

is this my video card?

[14:12:39]

jimbalaya:

or is there a setting that i don't know about for the tuner?...

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directhex|work:

could be euther. what's your tuner?

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jimbalaya:

pvr-150

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directhex|work:

that's an analog mpeg2-encoder isn't it?

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jimbalaya:

i guess it could be the tv as well? ... i'm using svideo out, but i have to use a converter box to use coax-in on the tv

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jimbalaya:

yep "Record your TV shows and home movies to disk using hardware MPEG-2 compression."

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directhex|work:

what type of compression artefacting are you seeing, exactly?

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jimbalaya:

it's a bit like downloading a divx, then making a vcd out of that

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jimbalaya:

although not as bad

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directhex|work:

describe exactly how the image looks wrong to you. is it pixelated? fuzzy? are there lines of some sort moving on the image?

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jimbalaya:

the movement / characters / point of interest is fine, but the backgrounds have an obvious 'compressed' feeling, where the edges of a solid background are jagged/pixely, and the shadow itself is one solid color

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Dagmar:

You must have set crazy values for the encoding rates

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jimbalaya:

i guess what's different between this 'compressed'-looking image and others (vcd, etc) is that this image only seems to be affect in the background ... whereas typical vcd, etc compression is applied to the whole image

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directhex|work:

yeah, it sounds vaguely like a bitrate issue

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jimbalaya:

i didn't manually set anything ... so i'lll have to go hunting

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jimbalaya:

i did fiddle with the gui-size, in order to get it to fit my tv

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directhex|work:

is it worse on moving images?

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directhex|work:

as opposed to people standing & talking

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jimbalaya:

this is all based on memory (i'm also |work), but I recall it being very noticable for background/non-moving/solids .... for instance:

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jimbalaya:

i was watching CSI, and they were in an interrogation room, dimly lit, and the walls looked compressed, but the three characters talking in the room looked fine

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juski:

software encoding eh? ;)

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juski:

that's the big problem with single-pass realtime encoding to mpeg4

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Dagmar:

Pfft

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Dagmar:

You were warned!

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jimbalaya:

i'm using a pvr150, which should be hardware encoding

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juski:

oh wait on a pvr150? your bitrate is set too low

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Dagmar:

Oh, looks like the kitten lives then.

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jimbalaya:

http://boortz.com/images/funny/free_cat.jpg

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speedsix:

if I change my mount point is my whole myth system going to go up in a cloud of smoke? Or shall I just do a find/replace on the database?

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Dagmar:

You just change the *setting* in the setup menus, dude.

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Dagmar:

jimbalaya: http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . enkiller.jpg

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speedsix:

ah, I thought it just automagically found your files

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Dagmar:

hah

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speedsix:

Dagmar: if I've changed my mount point won't I need to rescan my videos thus losing their metadata?

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Dagmar:

That you will

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anykey_:

speedsix: you could however run an update statement on the videometadata table

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speedsix:

ok cheers, think I will break out my ninja(read crap) sql skillz

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Der_Thomas:

hello, is anyone around that can help me set up a front end box

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anykey_:

maybe, if you ask a specific question

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Der_Thomas:

Well I have a fe and be system running on my regular PC

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Der_Thomas:

open suse 10.2

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Der_Thomas:

no problems

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Der_Thomas:

I just bought an EPIA M mobo and am setting up an FE system with opensuse 10.1 (10.2 won't work on epia m)

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Der_Thomas:

when I start my FE system I can't connect to the BE server and I can't figure out why

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Der_Thomas:

I'm using myth 0.20 on both

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Dagmar:

did you _run mythtv-setup on the fe_?

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Ribs:

does it actually say it's timing out?

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Der_Thomas:

mythtv-setup on the FE? I thought that that was only for BE systems

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Der_Thomas:

no it says cannot conencto to DB

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Dagmar:

This is because it can't *find* the db

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Dagmar:

...because you didn't run mythtv-setup and populate the mysql.txt file on the frontend

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Der_Thomas:

well when I start the FE it goes into the dialog and asks for the server address.

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Der_Thomas:

OK, I'll try that out BRB

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directhex|work:

make sure the backend is allowing connections (both MySQL and Myth) on a LAN-friendly IP address, not on loopback

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Der_Thomas:

well I can connect to mysql via the command line so I know that that is OK

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blameless:

hello. if all of my channels are off by one in the program guide (ie, programs on channel 4 show up on channel 5) is there an easy way to fix that?

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Der_Thomas:

I also configured the BE to the actuall ip rather then 127.0.0.1

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Der_Thomas:

strange thing though is that I installed myth from the packages on pacman and there is no mythtv-setup program.

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Der_Thomas:

lookslike I'll have to compile

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blameless:

Der_Thomas: hmm, i got a mythtv-setup from pacman's packages

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blameless:

tank-man: thanks :)

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Der_Thomas:

stranfge

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blameless:

Der_Thomas: i have a /usr/bin/mythtv-setup

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Der_Thomas:

hey what does the "Master Backend Override" check box do? I'm running mythtv-setup on my BE to make sure that everything is connect

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Der_Thomas:

mine is checked

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Der_Thomas:

yeah I checked no /usr/bin/mythtv-setup

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Der_Thomas:

maybe I missed a package or something

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speedsix:

anyone any idea why an NFS mount to my backend machine is only mounting as a few directories deep on my frontend, i.e /mnt/mythtv/myth shows as empty?

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Der_Thomas:

blameless: Are you in Canada?

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blameless:

US

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Der_Thomas:

looks specific to Canada though

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blameless:

Der_Thomas: thanks, after reading though, that doesn't seem to be the same issue i'm having

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blameless:

my channels are right (channel 5 is channel 5) but if i pull up program info on channel 5, it is for channel 6, etc

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blameless:

my tuner starts on channel 2, while the listings start on channel 1 (non-existant)

[15:11:20]

Ribs:

maybe that's why

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Der_Thomas:

hmm, I know I've heard about this sever times in just the short time I've been using Myth

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Ribs:

why does channel 1 not exist?

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blameless:

i might have filled the database initally in mythtv-setup by detected channels and then added the directdata

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blameless:

as such, channel 1 wouldn't have been detected as it didn't exist

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

okay then

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blameless:

i fixed it. deleted all of the channels and rescanned

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blameless:

1 problem down, 500 to go

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jvs:

good afternoon

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speedsix:

can anyone in here help with an NFS problem I appear to have brought upon myself?

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kormoc|afk:

you just maybe, just might want to say what the problem is...

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speedsix:

good plan, ok, I used to mount the tv/video/music directories on my frontend seperately under /mnt/myth/tv /mnt/myth/music etc. I then decided I really could do with having access to the whole of the backend filesystem so I changed the /etc/exports to just have '/' and changed the fstab on the front end to mount it as /mnt/mythtv. Problem is it seems to mount ok all directories seem fine except /mnt/mythtv/myth is empty??

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speedsix:

Weird thing is, if I do 'showmount -a' on the backend it lists /myth/music etc. which aren't even in my exports file anymore

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anykey_:

speedsix: did you restart the nfs daemon?

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speedsix:

yeah, just rebooted the machine aswell

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anykey_:

hm

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anykey_:

don't have any ideas then.. /me off to BBQ ;-)

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speedsix:

lol okie doke, have fun

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Dibblah:

speedsix: exportfs -a

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speedsix:

Dibblah: tried that. showmount -a still shows dirs that aren't in my exports file anymore. Totally confused

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juski:

arghh! this damn video ain't gonna render to any format :(

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jimbalaya:

that's insane

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juski:

good job the video is only 4 mins long eh

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juski:

just go get a nvidia fx5200 or so

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blameless:

its a mini-itx board. i don't have the slot for that heh

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blameless:

the onboard s-video out is not functional

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blameless:

i guess i could buy an $800 tv with vga in but ... :)

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juski:

so er.. send it back?

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juski:

the svideo output should give you the BIOS & POST screens on the TV

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juski:

if it does that but you don't get video when X starts, it's a simple config issue

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blameless:

oh it does do that. it just won't play mythfrontend on it

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blameless:

the box is currently working nicely as mybackend, but when i play video with frontend, it chokes up

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blameless:

my laptop can play the frontend however

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juski:

my via m10k frontend really needs xvmc

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juski:

it just won't play without it

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blameless:

yeah, i think the problem is driver related however. i am using xvmc and the processor doesn't peg out but the video goes choppy

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juski:

blameless: what version of xorg?

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juski:

you using the 'via' driver too?

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blameless:

openchrome yes

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juski:

what res?

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blameless:

640x480, xorg 7.2

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juski:

640x480? yikes

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blameless:

it is showing fluxbox on the screen now and that all works fine. its just when i hit "watchtv" blah

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juski:

I run at 720x576Noscale in xorg 7.2 & it works great

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blameless:

i have to beat the poor thing just to get it to go

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BSD_Tech:

can that box not do higher res

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juski:

you're not trying to play HD now are ya?

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blameless:

its not a problem with the video card; its the tv encoder chip that is squeemish

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juski:

it IS

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juski:

the tv encoder merely converts the VGA signal to svideo/composite

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blameless:

no i'm not trying to play HD videos. just standard def mpeg2

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juski:

can you play videos okay outside of mythtv?

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blameless:

haven't tested that yet. let me install xine

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blameless:

i suspect that if i disconnect the s-video and hook this little guy up to a vga monitor, it would work fine

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juski:

I very much doubt that

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blameless:

well, only one way to find out

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** j-rod takes all his hardware slower than 2GHz outside and shoots it **

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j-rod:

wait, that would include my mini...

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juski:

haha j-rod if only I had that luxury

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gardengnome:

i'm not gonna shoot my core 2 duo

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** j-rod takes all hardware slower than a cumulative 1.5GHz outside and shoots it **

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juski:

besides IMHO you shouldn't _need_ 2ghz just to play back sdtv

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** gardengnome notes how j-rod fell for intel's netburst marketing crap **

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j-rod:

I'd also like to hang onto my trusty dual P3

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** j-rod pets is core 2 quad **

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juski:

we should have a framegrabber bonfire tomorrow night though

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j-rod:

oh no, I hateth the netburst

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j-rod:

as well as the sdtv. :)

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j-rod:

juski: yeah, 2ghz for sdtv is certainly overkill, but I'm an HDTV crack-addict

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** j-rod basically refused to use any intel procs post-PIII and pre-core **

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blameless:

juski: you win the prize. it does the same thing on the computer monitor

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blameless:

i guess my next step is to try the via drivers from via and see if they work any better

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j-rod:

heh, just realized my laptop is sub-2GHz too... (1.67GHz PowerPC)

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** j-rod wishes his laptop could play back hdtv smoothly **

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** monkeypet wishes his hdtv plays hd smoothly. **

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** xris wishes he had hdtv **

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xris:

(well, not really)

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** j-rod tries to count the number of hdtv-playback-capable boxes in his house right now... **

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j-rod:

8, I think

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j-rod:

that's gross

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xris:

heh

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gardengnome:

i really hope you guys get our h.264 HD over there ;)

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xris:

geek

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xris:

:)

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xris:

gardengnome: I have h.264 HD. granted, I transcoded it from 1080i mpeg.

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jimbalaya:

is there another log location other than /var/log/mythtv ?

[17:07:48]

monkeypet:

jimbalaya: did you redirect the output of the frontend?

[17:08:18]

jimbalaya:

nope, i use the menu in fluxbox to start mythtv

[17:09:07]

jimbalaya:

ah, here's a bunch in syslog

[17:09:23]

jimbalaya:

hrm, some sort of kernel oops, but the system is still running

[17:10:23]

** j-rod gets ready to dump his scanned channels database on his prod setup to rescan w/svn fixes... **

[17:10:30]

jimbalaya:

ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

[17:10:45]

jimbalaya:

ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

[17:11:12]

j-rod:

jimbalaya: happens periodically here too, never causes any noticeable problems

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jimbalaya:

i just got a call saying the tv froze

[17:11:57]

j-rod:

heh

[17:12:14]

** j-rod used to occasionally get that call back in the day too **

[17:14:03]

juski:

blameless: if you don't get joy with openchrome I doubt unichrome would do better

[17:14:29]

ivor:

blameless: did you get any improvement over vga?

[17:14:45]

blameless:

ivor: it still demonstrated the same jerking behavior

[17:15:00]

juski:

blameless: I bet it's fine in xine

[17:15:03]

ivor:

can you describe iot

[17:15:17]

ivor:

oh yeah double check in xine

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blameless:

ivor: sure. the video spasms and plays erratically. it studders a few frames and the audio has to spaz in order to keep up. i shall try with xine right now

[17:16:35]

juski:

blameless: I've seen exactly that in minimyth

[17:16:56]

ivor:

Yup

[17:17:00]

juski:

I never found exactly what causes is either, but my money is on either openchrome or myth itself

[17:17:25]

ivor:

i'll chat more later. irc is a bit flakey over gprs.

[17:17:39]

juski:

heh. I'm currying & beering later :)

[17:17:52]

ivor:

there are a few setting to check/twiddle in myth that may help

[17:17:59]

ivor:

mmmm. beer.

[17:18:03]

juski:

been there. didn't make any diff.

[17:18:18]

ivor:

blameless: what distro?

[17:18:25]

juski:

changing minimyth version did, and now I can build it at home I can pinpoint it some

[17:18:53]

blameless:

ivor: archlinux

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jimbalaya:

http://pastebin.ca/438478

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jimbalaya:

that's the syslog output of when myth froze

[17:20:15]

blameless:

juski: so you're saying it works for you now with minimyth?

[17:20:16]

ivor:

blameless: remind me what board.

[17:20:35]

blameless:

ivor: an epia cn-10000. vt1625 decoder

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juski:

blameless: in 0.20–21 it works great. not in 0.20–22 though

[17:21:14]

blameless:

juski: fascinating. thank you. i shall test in xine in a moment

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ivor:

Xine usually works. :)

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[17:22:04]

ivor:

we really need to figure out why myth xvmc is so tempramental.

[17:22:32]

ivor:

it always seems to be teetering on the edge of working

[17:22:47]

ivor:

and the slightest change knocks it over

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blameless:

xine does work for me

[17:23:58]

** ivor nods **

[17:24:22]

blameless:

video is playing at a normal speed. audio isn't but thats probably just an alsa setting

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ivor:

Try twiddling the myth extra audio buffering and video as timebase setings

[17:25:13]

blameless:

alrighty

[17:25:26]

ivor:

what sort of recording are you playing in myth

[17:28:28]

blameless:

an mpg2 stream i recoreded off of the discovery channel. it plays fine on this laptop running mythfrontend connected to that machine

[17:29:02]

blameless:

on that machine, i tinkered with the settings you suggested. the video still seems to lose its timing. it gets faster and then the audio races to catch up

[17:29:24]

juski:

blameless: maybe a mythic problem then

[17:30:15]

juski:

every now & again patches get committed which break stuff for some folks in some situations – ironically patches to fix similar problems for people in similar situations

[17:30:47]

ivor:

And it just bounces back and forth? :)

[17:31:17]

juski:

minimyth 0.20–20 had the issue for me

[17:31:25]

juski:

0.20–21 was great – still is

[17:31:34]

juski:

0.20–22 it was back, but not as bad as in 0.20–20

[17:32:08]

juski:

and to make matters worse, minimyth is built with whatever happens to be the latest rev of stuff at the time – so loads changes making it hard to pin down what the cause is

[17:32:46]

juski:

I still find it galling that the epia box doesn't have anywhere near enough grunt to play SDTV mpeg2 without xvmc

[17:33:32]

juski:

find myself thinking "one gigahertz my ass" ;)

[17:33:46]

blameless:

i played with the xvmc settings in myth. didn't seem to make a difference. it was still doing the odd stuff

[17:34:11]

juski:

blameless: then maybe there's a problem with xvmc in mythtv

[17:34:32]

juski:

look at mythfrontend -v playback messages

[17:34:48]

juski:

anyway I need to get ready for tonight.. laters everybody

[17:34:55]

juski:

good luck blameless :)

[17:34:58]

BSD_Tech:

I love my via epia sp1300 1 gig ram 400 gig sata

[17:35:44]

BSD_Tech:

the only issue I have is dvd's not ripping

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blameless:

thanks juski for all your help

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BSD_Tech:

and at times dvd-roms playing get jumpy

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speedsix:

gah, this nfs problem is driving me nuts :(

[17:39:40]

speedsix:

I'm mounting the root of my backend machine as /mnt/mythtv on the frontend, looks ok until you browse to the myth dir (/mnt/mythtv/myth) and it's empty??

[17:39:53]

speedsix:

all the other directories are fine

[17:40:52]

kormoc|afk:

speedsix, can NFS export across filesystems like that? I didn't think so

[17:41:09]

speedsix:

kormoc|afk: not sure I'm with ya?

[17:41:41]

speedsix:

I can browse every other folder fine but the /myth folder is empty

[17:41:43]

kormoc|afk:

speedsix, / on the remote box is a different filesystem then /mnt/myth on the remote box, correct?

[17:42:12]

speedsix:

that's a good point the /myth dir is on a different hd on the server

[17:42:43]

kormoc|afk:

I didn't think NFS would export both filesystems in a single export, I think it's a limitation of NFS

[17:43:08]

speedsix:

I see, I would have thought I'd make them both ext3

[17:43:12]

brad2007:

Anyone here that can help me out

[17:43:23]

brad2007:

I have a dvd-to-go card will that work with mythtv?

[17:43:25]

speedsix:

whats the easiest way to check what fs they are?

[17:43:34]

kormoc|afk:

speedsix, not talking bout types, just that they're not the same as in not a single one

[17:44:00]

speedsix:

Oh right I see, so I need to have 2 exports on the backend

[17:44:33]

speedsix:

excellent thanks

[17:44:58]

kormoc|afk:

you should be able to mount the second export in the /mnt/myth/mnt/myth if you'd like

[17:45:19]

kormoc|afk:

I've never tried it, but in theory, it should work

[17:45:54]

speedsix:

nfs4 seens alot less straight forward than the previous time I setup nfs, what with placing files in /exports/*

[17:46:29]

kormoc|afk:

well, it's designed to allow more automation and the like

[17:46:52]

speedsix:

any benfit of me using ver4, performance wise?

[17:47:01]

mishehu:

this is damn weird, but for some reason when I playback mpeg2-ts streams on my mythbox (running kernel 2.6.19.7 and some svn version of post-0.20 fixes branch), the machine can hard lock on me.

[17:47:08]

kormoc|afk:

none that I've seen

[17:47:16]

kormoc|afk:

but I haven't researched it very much

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tlhiv:

hi folks ... i have a question, but it's unrelated to mythtv

[17:53:17]

tlhiv:

my remote control access to my older tv just went out, and i am looking for an inexpensive solution

[17:53:44]

tlhiv:

i have a scientific atlanta dvr that has auxillary input on the front, but they are not "activated"

[17:53:59]

tlhiv:

i've read that you may be able to activate them, but i've been unsuccessful thusfar

[17:54:12]

tlhiv:

anyone familiar with doing such things?

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Tanthrix:

tlhiv: What do you mean by "remote control access that just went out" ?

[17:56:59]

tlhiv:

i mean i think the sensor in the tv went out

[17:57:32]

Tanthrix:

tlhiv: Oh, I see. So what do the auxillary inputs on your DVR have to do with that?

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Cyberai:

darn, I was hoping the fryfrog was hopping about

[18:04:46]

Cyberai:

has anyone else hooked up a DTC6200 series STB via firewire and been abot so see/hear video and audio, but not be able to change channels?

[18:04:55]

Tanthrix:

No frogs here, just us toads. ;)

[18:05:44]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: SlicerDicer- is the guy you want – he practically wrote the whole firewire wiki page.

[18:06:30]

Tanthrix:

I just got my DCT3416 working-ish thanks to his help.

[18:06:39]

tlhiv:

sorry Tanthrix

[18:12:38]

Tanthrix:

I gotta run for 10 min, but I'll be back.

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Cyberai:

ok

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punter:

Do the Hauppage cards with radio-tuner allow concurrent recording of TV & radio?

[18:13:18]

Cyberai:

i've never seen the radio tuner part work for mythtv

[18:13:39]

Der_Thomas:

yeah the radio is not supported now

[18:13:59]

Der_Thomas:

there is a patch, but it is for the 0.19 version and I haven't been able to get it to work on 0.20

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punter:

is the team working on radio support?

[18:16:50]

Der_Thomas:

I'm new to myth, but I don't thinnk so

[18:17:10]

Cyberai:

I don't think so, I haven't heard anything about it in a year or more

[18:17:11]

Der_Thomas:

seems like there are not a lot of people who have radio tuners

[18:17:49]

Der_Thomas:

Freevo does have a nice radio module, but overall it is NO WHERE AS NICE as myth

[18:18:05]

Cyberai:

frankly, with the addition of internet streaming radio stations to Mythtv, I think most people consider the FM tuner thing a dead issue.

[18:18:09]

punter:

what a pitty

[18:18:18]

punter:

well

[18:18:32]

Der_Thomas:

I bought a PVR-150 with a radio just for this, but I feel a but out of luck

[18:18:59]

Der_Thomas:

I have though about trying to add this radio tuner as a seperate tuner in mythtv-setup, but I have never tried it...

[18:19:22]

punter:

I'll make a patch myself

[18:19:26]

punter:

(I hope I can, in Perl)

[18:19:44]

punter:

(unlikeyly)

[18:19:59]

Der_Thomas:

if you look up mythRadio or mythFM, both existed

[18:21:00]

Der_Thomas:

you can find some info

[18:21:09]

punter:

yea

[18:21:39]

Der_Thomas:

this is in the "unoffical" plugin section of the myth wiki

[18:22:08]

Der_Thomas:

looks like it was for 0.18 not 0.19 like I said

[18:22:26]

Der_Thomas:

I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU COULD DO SOMETHING WITH THIS!!

[18:22:39]

Der_Thomas:

I'm not a good enough of a programmer to get this done

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Der_Thomas:

please report any progress you make to the mailing list!

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punter:

But...

[18:27:27]

punter:

Does MythTV have a mechanism to support plugins?

[18:27:32]

Cyberai:

yes

[18:27:45]

Cyberai:

most aspects of mythtv are now plugins

[18:28:14]

punter:

nice

[18:28:27]

Cyberai:

as I understand it (others may correct me), but only the TV-viewing/recording portion of MythTV is not a plugin. All else is a plugin of some sort.

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punter:

I see in the docs that C++ is used for plugins: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Building_Plugins:HelloMyth

[18:30:59]

punter:

I wonder if Perl can do it... I'll check

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Cyberai:

hey kormoc, how knowledgable are you on the whole firewire/STB channel changing thing?

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Tanthrix:

Cyberai: Back.

[18:36:22]

Cyberai:

Tanthrix, here is my pastebin from trying to compile the svn version of firewire-tester – http://paste.uni.cc/14521

[18:36:48]

Tanthrix:

That looks funky.

[18:37:09]

Cyberai:

the binary you gave me runs, but I get this error "firewire_tester -p -n 0 -r 5

[18:37:09]

Cyberai:

Action: Test P2P connection 5 times, node 0, channel 0

[18:37:09]

Cyberai:

P2P: Testing...libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to get the oPCR[0] plug for node 0.

[18:37:09]

Cyberai:

iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output failed

[18:37:09]

Cyberai:

"

[18:37:15]

Tanthrix:

Almost like your script is corrupt.

[18:37:33]

Tanthrix:

Did you try using my binary?

[18:37:39]

Der_Thomas:

hey, I'm having a problem compiling 0.20 on Suse 10.1

[18:37:54]

Der_Thomas:

anyone able to check this out?

[18:37:59]

Cyberai:

from what I see there, I would think the interface isn't working, but I can see video and hear the audio if I change the channel using the STB!

[18:38:30]

Cyberai:

yes Tanthrix the error I pasted above is from the binary you posted

[18:38:30]

Der_Thomas:

http://pastebin.ca/438574

[18:39:37]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: Oh, the ic61883 failed bit is what you get from using my binary?

[18:39:40]

kormoc:

Cyberai, not very much at all, I've never actually done it. You should talk to SlicerDicer- or xris or one of the others who do actually use it day to day.

[18:39:53]

Cyberai:

kormoc, thx

[18:40:03]

Cyberai:

Tanthrix, yes

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Tanthrix:

Cyberai: Do you know what node your device is? Run plugreport to find out

[18:40:34]

Der_Thomas:

anyone have a chance to check out my compile problem?

[18:40:44]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: Try firewire_tester -B -n 0

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Tanthrix:

where 0 is your node

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Tanthrix:

Cyberai: Though, it's possible that my binary will have problems if we have different versions of the libs. You might want to try getting another copy of your firewire_tester.c script and then attempt compiling again

[18:43:58]

Tanthrix:

http://novae-res.org/firewire_tester.c

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Tanthrix:

Der_Thomas: Sorry, never seen that before. :/

[18:46:00]

Der_Thomas:

crap

[18:46:30]

Der_Thomas:

I'm compiling on a via c3 processor

[18:46:34]

Der_Thomas:

if that makes a difference

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Der_Thomas:

from what I read they are kinda strange

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Tanthrix:

Could be, though I'm not sure.

[18:47:57]

Cyberai:

Tanthrix, plugreport says Adapter 0, node 0

[18:48:04]

GiGnUs:

Hello – How can I troubleshoot a segmentation fault? It's the latest SVN and the last thing I see is "Registering MythDVD VCD Media Handler as..."

[18:48:37]

Cyberai:

GiGnUs, I would back down to the stable version

[18:48:38]

Dibblah:

Hmmm.

[18:48:52]

Cyberai:

Tanthrix, I get the same error from "firewire_tester -B -n 0"

[18:49:01]

Dibblah:

Anyone know if it's possible to do gamma correction with the nvidia binary driver?

[18:49:16]

Dibblah:

... xv / xvmc, etc... Not just plain X.

[18:49:16]

GiGnUs:

Cyberai will do, thanks

[18:49:22]

Cyberai:

dibblah, yes, install the nvidia control panel

[18:49:32]

Dibblah:

Doesn't do gamma :(

[18:49:37]

Cyberai:

funny, mine does

[18:49:42]

Dibblah:

Not XV overlays, anyway.

[18:50:02]

Dibblah:

Works fine in 2d, but no effect on the overlay.

[18:50:14]

Dibblah:

What's your card?

[18:50:23]

Cyberai:

I adjusted my gamma in the control panel and it does a gamma correction on the entire video stream

[18:50:45]

Cyberai:

fed core 5 with nVidia gForce 6600

[18:51:11]

Cyberai:

works on my other mythbox too, fed core 5 with a gForce 5200

[18:51:32]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: Try compiling my script first, just to make sure it isn't some weird library problem.

[18:51:40]

Dibblah:

5200 and it doesn't work for me :(

[18:53:07]

Cyberai:

Tanthrix, your version compiles perfect

[18:53:38]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: K, something is corrupt with your script then I would suspect. Did you look at line 123?

[18:53:46]

Der_Thomas:

Anyone seen a problem when Myth cannot open "MythContext"

[18:53:49]

Cyberai:

no

[18:53:56]

Cyberai:

what's with 123?

[18:54:25]

Tanthrix:

firewire_tester.c:123: error: stray Ã¢ï¿½ï¿½#Ã¢ï& iquest;½ï¿½ in program

[18:54:40]

Tanthrix:

Looks some a character is there that shouldn't be, according to your pastebin.

[18:55:09]

Cyberai:

I think that's just a pastebin translation error, looks fine in the terminal

[18:55:43]

Tanthrix:

Hrm. What does it say instead of that crap?

[18:56:18]

Cyberai:

"</td>"

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Tanthrix:

That's html – what the hell is that doing in your script?

[18:56:55]

Tanthrix:

Seriously, open your .c copy and see what's going on there. Something funky, it seems.

[18:58:00]

Tanthrix:

Obviously it's not a big issue since you have a working copy now, but since it came from the same source as your myth compilation I'd be slightly worried that myth could have problems if something went wrong in your SVN grab, even if it did compile.

[18:59:25]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: Hehehe. There's your problem!

[18:59:35]

Cyberai:

?

[18:59:41]

Tanthrix:

(Your version of firewire_tester.c is not firewire_tester.c – it's a web page)

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Cyberai:

ROFL

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Cyberai:

doh

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gardengnome:

use firefox to compile it..

[19:00:03]

Tanthrix:

lol

[19:00:15]

Cyberai:

wow, i need to be flogged for tha tone

[19:00:20]

Tanthrix:

head>

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Tanthrix:

<title>

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Tanthrix:

/trunk/mythtv/contrib/firewire_tester.c –

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Tanthrix:

MythTV – Trac

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Tanthrix:

</title>

[19:00:21]

Tanthrix:

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Cyberai:

wow

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gardengnome:

lol

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Tanthrix:

So, I take it you wget-ed what you thought was the script but was just a link to another page?

[19:01:34]

Cyberai:

looks like it

[19:01:43]

Cyberai:

where do I get the REAL source?

[19:02:18]

gardengnome:

once you view the source in your browser, scroll down. you'll find a download link there

[19:02:40]

Cyberai:

does anyone have the SVN repo website URl handy?

[19:02:55]

gardengnome:

http://svn.mythtv.org

[19:03:45]

Tanthrix:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/13234/trunk . . . ire_tester.c

[19:03:50]

Tanthrix:

A direct link for your downloading pleasure.

[19:04:25]

sphery:

Sb c

[19:04:28]

sphery:

oops

[19:05:03]

Cyberai:

yeah, compiles fine

[19:05:17]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: Now, after you compile that, what do you get when you run "firewire_tester.c -B -n X" where X is your node number

[19:05:24]

Tanthrix:

er, no .c there

[19:05:41]

Cyberai:

any chance the failures I am seeing is because the firewire_tester app is looking at the wrong port on my firewire card? it has three ports and the cable is plugged into the bottom one.

[19:06:01]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: No, should't be a problem.

[19:06:03]

GiGnUs:

Is ccache enabled by default if available? I only see "--disable-ccache" with "configure --help"

[19:06:46]

Cyberai:

Tanthrix, same results

[19:06:58]

Cyberai:

Failed to get the oPCR[0] plug for node 0.

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Tanthrix:

Run:

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Tanthrix:

plugctl -n X oPCR[0].channel=63

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Tanthrix:

plugctl -n X oPCR[0].bcast_connection=1

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Tanthrix:

Then try again. (Where X is your node, as usual)

[19:08:57]

GiGnUs:

Sorry, nevermind, I guess it is enabled by default

[19:09:43]

Cyberai:

Tanthrix, both of those commands returned no results

[19:09:50]

Tanthrix:

That's normal.

[19:09:50]

Cyberai:

just returned to the prompt

[19:09:52]

Cyberai:

ok

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Cyberai:

brb, potty break

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v xris

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Cyberai:

back, ahhhhh

[19:13:52]

Cyberai:

oh cool, xris has joine dus

[19:13:55]

Cyberai:

err joined us

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Cyberai:

hey xris, I'm having some weirdness getting my motorola DTC STB to change channels.

[19:15:03]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: What did you get from the result of the command after running plugctl?

[19:15:14]

Cyberai:

and I'm getting weird results from firewire_tester. "P2P: Testing...libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to get the oPCR[0] plug for node 0"

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Cyberai:

same Tanthrix

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Tanthrix:

Pastebin your plugreport output, as well as the output of "lsmod|grep 1394"

[19:18:12]

tjcarter:

hey all, I'm in the process of upgrading an edgy Myth box to feisty.. Anyone else experience any potential gotchas doing this? The box is headless, so I'd prefer not to have to go fix it. =D

[19:18:33]

** tjcarter notes what he prefers and what he gets ain't exactly ever been similar. =) **

[19:22:08]

Cyberai:

Tanthrix, http://paste.uni.cc/14523

[19:22:39]

Tanthrix:

Cyberai: According to plugreport your cable box is not plugged in.

[19:22:49]

Tanthrix:

Are you not looking at the mythtv firewire page or something?

[19:23:00]

Tanthrix:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

[19:23:40]

Cyberai:

Tanthrix, I am at a loss to explain why I can see and hear my digital cable through it then

[19:23:50]

Cyberai:

I just can't change channels

[19:24:10]

Tanthrix:

Hrm. And you're sure about that? You're not like switched to a wrong input on your TV or anything?

[19:24:30]

Cyberai:

no, I can watch it in the video preiew window of the program guide :)

[19:25:04]

Tanthrix:

And if you change the channel with your remote it changes channel on the guide as well?

[19:26:03]

Cyberai:

yup

[19:26:09]

Tanthrix:

Weird.

[19:26:34]

Tanthrix:

Well, maybe you're right then – I'd say try moving your firewire cable to the other ports then checking plugreport again.

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Tanthrix:

Because libiec61883 error: error reading oMPR will happen if you have nothing plugged in – has nothing to do with your box.

[19:27:51]

Tanthrix:

(Just making the point that seeing that does not mean you are necessarely using node 0 and such)

[19:27:56]

Cyberai:

sounds too simple to be true :)

[19:28:02]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[19:28:40]

Cyberai:

well, dmesg and plugreport both say I'm on card 0, node 0. So I am pretty confident in that.

[19:29:25]

Tanthrix:

Plug report isn't saying shit – you need it to output the example shown in the mythtv firewire page

[19:31:02]

Tanthrix:

Anyway, I must be off. Let me know how it goes. Later.

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Cyberai:

thanks Tanthrix

[19:39:48]

nero:

question about FW- do most cable companies open up the digial (non HD) channels? Or are they usually locked up?

[19:39:58]

Cyberai:

mine work, some don't

[19:40:07]

nero:

gotcha.

[19:40:24]

Cyberai:

I can see my D channels too, but I understand that's rare

[19:40:28]

nero:

I'm getting verizon FiOS on tuesday.. getting mixed messages about what is open and what isn't.

[19:40:31]

Cyberai:

I can see my HD channels too, but I understand that's rare

[19:40:43]

Cyberai:

I did too, the only way to know it to try

[19:40:55]

nero:

are you on FiOS?

[19:41:09]

Cyberai:

no, insight communications digital cable

[19:41:15]

nero:

ahhh.. gotcha.

[19:41:32]

nero:

Well, its better than DTV, as I cant get any HD programming thorough them.

[19:41:57]

nero:

so I figure, if I cant get any of the HD or digital channels off the FiOS box, I'll just use its DVR stuff for my DVR, and myth for the rest.

[19:42:35]

jams:

nero- your playing right into their plan!

[19:42:43]

Cyberai:

well, if you're hooked up by firewire, you should be able to view anything unencrypted

[19:42:47]

nero:

jams, what choice do I have?

[19:42:56]

Cyberai:

and record it

[19:43:04]

nero:

Cyberai, thats the hope.. :)

[19:43:19]

Cyberai:

like I said, only one real way to know

[19:43:33]

jams:

not many choices.

[19:43:36]

nero:

some have said that all of the non-premium channels (including Discovery HD, ESPN HD, etc..) on FiOS are open.

[19:43:50]

nero:

jams- it is either Verizon, or pay 2x as much for (BARF) Patriot Media.

[19:44:06]

nero:

or stick with Analog out from a DTV box.

[19:44:15]

jams:

right

[19:44:40]

nero:

and frankly, looking at this new 40" HD LCD, not being used.. is getting to me.. ;)

[19:44:42]

jams:

i have a nice hdtv, that mostly displays sdtv

[19:44:56]

jams:

looks nice with dvd's!

[19:45:01]

nero:

that it does.

[19:45:41]

monkeypet:

You guys are too advanced for me. I still am using b&w tvs.

[19:46:52]

baxter_kylie:

Hi. I'm having some awful quality results with all of my video content (mplayer, myth, xine, & vlc) — my tv has a horrid scaler. Are there any aspect-ratio preserving settings for any of these players that can enable more high-quality scaling? The machine has more than enough iron for decent calculations.

[19:46:53]

Cyberai:

jams, DTC6200 series?

[19:47:08]

jams:

Cyberai- DTCRAP series

[19:47:29]

j-rod:

hey how, its DCT, so you can't use that

[19:47:35]

jams:

i really don't know. Had it for a week and took it back

[19:47:43]

j-rod:

heh

[19:47:53]

Cyberai:

jams, yeah it does a good job of delivering the signal, but that's it. All the other 'features" suck a$$

[19:48:00]

j-rod:

I still have one. really ought to try poking it w/myth again some day

[19:48:04]

jams:

pretty much

[19:48:16]

jams:

have yet to try the fireware on the digital cable box

[19:48:26]

Cyberai:

once I get the one I have working right I might buy a second one.

[19:48:47]

jams:

for now analog out works well enough for the few times I use the "digital cable only" channels

[19:49:24]

j-rod:

I should dump mine, its main purpose really amount to "the clock in the living room"

[19:49:35]

jams:

heh

[19:49:53]

j-rod:

(well, and I still use it when channel-surfing or watching a sporting event)

[19:49:54]

jams:

mine's in the basement. Really confused the cable installer

[19:50:09]

j-rod:

yeah, at one point, mine was out in the garage in my rack

[19:50:45]

jams:

can't stand when they push updates to the box. Part of the process is to turn the box off

[19:51:05]

j-rod:

two airstar hd5000s, an hdhomerun and a pvr-500 record everything I care to record these days

[19:52:11]

jams:

These days I play more Wii and work on mythvantage more then I watch TV.

[19:52:33]

Cyberai:

j-rod, I have an hd5000, I can't get it to find &^%$ on my digital cable. it never finds a usable channel

[19:53:37]

jams:

Cyberai- is that with .20 -fixes?

[19:53:45]

Cyberai:

It worked some with OTA stuff, but my reception is so bad I couldn't get anything better than 50% signal even with a really nice amplified antennae

[19:54:06]

Cyberai:

jams, I'm running MythDora 3.2, which is a .20 distro

[19:54:20]

jams:

i see

[19:54:24]

Cyberai:

jams, not sure if -fixes is in there

[19:54:39]

Cyberai:

any easy way to tell from the CL?

[19:54:42]

jams:

just wondering j-rod has been working on getting -fixes to work with channel scanning again

[19:58:14]

Cyberai:

I have the strangest firewire behaviour in mythtv history.

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Cyberai:

plugreport doesn't see the tuner, neither does firewire_tester. But I can actually watch digital through my mythbox, but have to change the channel using the STB

[20:00:05]

Cyberai:

myth stays on channel 3, but when the channel is changed on the STB, the video/audio changes on myth

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Dagmar:

GOd I hate named

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Dagmar:

Every damn time I update it seems like they handle native chrooting in a different freaking order

[20:01:41]

Cyberai:

BUT, if I leave the STB on a channel that is different from the one Myth is on and stop watching tv, when I go back it won't get anything. Putting the STB back and then re-doing mythtv-setup makes it work again.

[20:02:13]

Cyberai:

current theory is that I have the firewire plugged into the wrong fw port on the pc, it has 3.

[20:02:26]

Cyberai:

shouldn't matter as I understnad it, but who knows?

[20:08:25]

j-rod:

jams: and I do indeed have it finally working again

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j-rod:

both my airstar cards and hdhr can properly scan my cable feed right now

[20:12:26]

j-rod:

seeing as how I packaged it up, maybe I should actually try juski's latest theme on for a bit...

[20:13:41]

tjcarter:

argh, ivtvdriver.org seems to have replaced their webserver with an eggplant.

[20:13:52]

tjcarter:

eggplants don't serve pages very well. =)

[20:14:15]

j-rod:

of course, Cyberai left before seeing the mention that its fixed now...

[20:17:31]

tjcarter:

hey, according to this I don't need to compile ivtv source for Ubuntu anymore for WinTV PVR cards.. Are they pulling my leg here, or is the current state of the kernel driver merging that far along?

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j-rod:

its possible they're tracking the upstream v4l-dvb tree

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GiGnUs:

jams what is mythvantage?

[20:22:06]

j-rod:

but its not in the kernel-proper just yet

[20:22:51]

j-rod:

should be as of 2.6.22, if it doesn't make 2.6.21

[20:23:06]

Dagmar:

.22 has been the target for awhile now

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j-rod:

yep, mauro pushed it to linus a while back now, saying take it for 2.6.21 if you like, otherwise, next round

[20:24:20]

j-rod:

(iirc)

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BSD_Tech:

ok where do I get the cx88-dvb.ko

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a1fa:

wawawhiewa

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j-rod:

BSD_Tech: if you're running a reasonably modern kernel, it ought to be included as a module

[20:44:22]

hadees:

can the air2pc card do QAM?

[20:44:27]

j-rod:

which one?

[20:45:19]

j-rod:

I believe the first and second gen ones are "maybe, if your provider uses just the right freqs for digital channels"

[20:45:42]

j-rod:

3rd-gen is golden (at least I *think* the airstar hd5000 is the 3rd-gen card)

[20:45:45]

hadees:

j-rod, i think i have the first gen

[20:46:00]

j-rod:

trying to scan, not finding anything?

[20:46:11]

j-rod:

would that happen to be with 0.20 or svn trunk?

[20:46:17]

hadees:

j-rod, haven't tried yet

[20:46:23]

hadees:

still setting it up

[20:46:25]

j-rod:

ah

[20:46:37]

hadees:

i bought my card right before the broadcast flag was supposed to go into effect

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j-rod:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3301

[20:47:03]

hadees:

Anyone know what there errors mean?

[20:47:08]

j-rod:

scanning is busted in 0.20 atm, but the patch in that ticket fixes things for me

[20:47:26]

hadees:

i posted and searched the mailing list and found no answers

[20:47:37]

hadees:

I want to know what cnt stands for

[20:52:47]

BSD_Tech:

I am and its not

[20:53:00]

jams:

always thought it meant count, but thats just a guess

[20:53:02]

BSD_Tech:

I updated lastnight

[20:53:18]

BSD_Tech:

but now my usp wifi dongle works

[20:53:40]

j-rod:

BSD_Tech: what distro, and what kernel?

[20:53:51]

BSD_Tech:

fc5

[20:54:04]

BSD_Tech:

2.6.20

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BSD_Tech:

looking

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j-rod:

unless Chuck broke something, you do to have cx88-dvb

[20:54:23]

hadees:

jams, i thats what it could mean, i just don't understand this error, it isn't giving me anything to work with

[20:54:32]

hadees:

*i guess thats

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j-rod:

BSD_Tech: modinfo cx88-dvb

[20:54:57]

BSD_Tech:

I have a b2c2 tuner card

[20:55:05]

BSD_Tech:

I think it looks for that file

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BSD_Tech:

not sure

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j-rod:

uh, then why are you looking for cx88-dvb?

[20:55:33]

BSD_Tech:

the boot up is

[20:55:43]

BSD_Tech:

I am just tryoing to kill errors

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j-rod:

huh?

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j-rod:

b2c2-flexcop-pci is the right driver for that card, cx88-dvb shouldn't be loading

[20:56:46]

j-rod:

"the boot up is" makes no sense... is this straight FC5, or is this mythdora 3.x?

[20:56:50]

BSD_Tech:

i will stop the bod probe for it

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BSD_Tech:

mythdora

[20:57:02]

BSD_Tech:

but update

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j-rod:

ah.

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j-rod:

I presume something like /etc/sysconfig/modules/v4l.modules is trying to load cx88-dvb on boot

[20:57:57]

j-rod:

it loads fine, but complains because there's no hardware present for it to drive

[20:58:13]

BSD_Tech:

no it says it cant find the ko module

[20:58:21]

j-rod:

you sure 'bout that?

[20:58:26]

BSD_Tech:

yes

[20:58:26]

j-rod:

does it look like this:

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j-rod:

FATAL: Error inserting cx88_dvb (/lib/modules/2.6.20–1.3056.fc7/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-dvb.k o): No such device

[20:58:44]

BSD_Tech:

yes

[20:58:51]

j-rod:

it found the module just fine

[20:58:57]

BSD_Tech:

ok

[20:59:04]

j-rod:

the No such device part is the module saying it can't find any hardware to drive

[20:59:29]

j-rod:

that line above is from my FC7 box, which has only an airstar hd5000 in it, manually loading cx88-dvb

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j-rod:

FWIW, much of this is going to be fixed in the next mythdora release

[21:00:22]

j-rod:

so stuff like this can't happen

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BSD_Tech:

Air2PC-ATSC Digital HDTV Tuner PCI Card Off-air HDTV +opt. Antenna/Remote

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a1fa:

wow jrod

[21:02:16]

a1fa:

if it only gets included in the mainstream kernel

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a1fa:

;P

[21:02:40]

j-rod:

its already in the upstream v4l-dvb tree, should be in 2.6.22

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BSD_Tech:

is the card I have

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a1fa:

if i could only get my box to support 1080i

[21:03:29]

BSD_Tech:

ahh ok

[21:03:32]

a1fa:

j-rod : whats the pay like?

[21:03:42]

j-rod:

the money is green

[21:03:51]

a1fa:

coding kernel stuff is fun

[21:03:51]

Beirdo:

and black on the other side

[21:04:27]

a1fa:

j-rod : u in san jose?

[21:04:30]

j-rod:

lots of other places certainly pay more, but there's really nowhere I'd rather work right now

[21:04:36]

j-rod:

Boston area

[21:04:40]

a1fa:

ah.. cool

[21:04:49]

fryfrog:

not even... the playboy mansion as a "lady sexer"?

[21:04:56]

a1fa:

yeah

[21:04:59]

a1fa:

that would be my dream job

[21:05:02]

j-rod:

hm...

[21:05:05]

a1fa:

satisfy playboy bunnies

[21:05:10]

a1fa:

when hugh hefner is tired

[21:06:37]

a1fa:

i need to get my nvidia to work on 1080i

[21:06:57]

tjcarter:

...

[21:07:28]

tjcarter:

Why would you use 1080i ever?

[21:07:37]

j-rod:

I'm all about the 1080p via DVI

[21:08:00]

tjcarter:

interlaced looks like shit.

[21:08:11]

a1fa:

it looks the same

[21:08:18]

j-rod:

uh, no.

[21:08:45]

a1fa:

sort of yes

[21:08:49]

j-rod:

1080i video should look the same

[21:08:50]

tjcarter:

flicker flicker flicker

[21:09:02]

j-rod:

but yeah, try using an xterm on a 1080i setup

[21:09:19]

a1fa:

i just bought this freaking tv

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a1fa:

30" Sanyo CRT – widescreen

[21:09:46]

tjcarter:

does it support 1080P?

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j-rod:

granted, you shouldn't be spending a lot of time at an xterm on a well-behaved myth box...

[21:10:11]

a1fa:

1080i

[21:10:27]

a1fa:

i have a laptop that can ssh into it

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a1fa:

right infront of the tv ;P

[21:10:51]

j-rod:

assuming your network is working. ;)

[21:10:58]

tjcarter:

a1fa: HT30744 ?

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a1fa:

always

[21:11:26]

a1fa:

?

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a1fa:

oh model name

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a1fa:

yes

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j-rod:

(yes, I usually do the same, just ssh in when I have to)

[21:11:37]

a1fa:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2601425

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a1fa:

i never have network issues :P

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tjcarter:

a1fa: why did you get a widescreen CRT? *scratching head*

[21:14:29]

a1fa:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4810694

[21:14:29]

a1fa:

it was this one

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a1fa:

it was cheap

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tjcarter:

Well anyway, being a CRT, it can handle 1080i just as well as 768p, but I suggest considering 768p instead.

[21:14:51]

a1fa:

why sir?

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tjcarter:

A few LCDs have 768p resolution and downsample from 1080i to fake it. *shudder*

[21:16:10]

tjcarter:

First, progressive video. It's so much sharper and has less flicker to it.

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a1fa:

let me check what i got right now

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xris:

tjcarter: "a few"? most seem to.

[21:17:15]

tjcarter:

Second, there's far more 768p content than 1080i, so you won't be changing resolutions as often..

[21:17:27]

tjcarter:

xris: smaller ones certainly do.

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a1fa:

Modes "1280x720"

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a1fa:

this is the resolution i am on right now

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xris:

tjcarter: like I said, most, not "a few"

[21:18:02]

tjcarter:

er, sorry, 720p not 768p. =)

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a1fa:

so i am at 720p right now

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tjcarter:

correct.

[21:18:35]

tjcarter:

That is what I suggest you use.

[21:18:35]

a1fa:

its crispy clear for such a shitty tv

[21:18:36]

xris:

tjcarter: and at least in my area, there is far more 1080i content

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a1fa:

for $400 i got a badass tv

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a1fa:

30" widescreen

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a1fa:

it kicks ass

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hound:

Does anyone here use the HDHomeRun? I'm trying to figure out if it's capable of changing channels through ethernet, or if I have to use the IR input to the HDHomeRun to change channels.

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a1fa:

its chopped up a bit

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xris:

all of my local channels, hbo, dhd, etc. all use 1080i. only 720p channel I know of is fox.

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a1fa:

so what happens when your channel is in 1080i and you are running in 720p ?

[21:21:20]

tjcarter:

xris: most sets are 720p though. As I said, 1080i will largely be bypassed.

[21:21:42]

kormoc_:

tjcarter, bypassed by what?

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xris:

tjcarter: tv sets, yes... becuase people still can't afford the 1920x1088 sets.

[21:21:45]

tjcarter:

a1fa: downsampling.

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a1fa:

mythtv does that?

[21:22:04]

tjcarter:

kormoc_: 1080p for fancy HD/bluray DVDs =D

[21:22:22]

xris:

a1fa: mythtv doesn't directly, but your video card will

[21:22:35]

xris:

I can watch 1080i or 720p at 640x480 on my tv. :)

[21:22:53]

xris:

or 1680x1050 on my monitor

[21:23:45]

** tjcarter wishes he could figure out what's up with aspect on MythFrontend for Mac.. **

[21:24:34]

a1fa:

hm.. here is a funny trivia

[21:24:44]

a1fa:

supposedly this tv takes any signal and converts it to 1080i

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a1fa:

so eventhough i am outputing 720p its converted to 1080i

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tjcarter:

You're dreaming. =)

[21:25:00]

a1fa:

>#@#?>@>#@?#>@

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tjcarter:

It's a CRT.

[21:25:09]

a1fa:

somebody wrote that on the forum

[21:25:11]

tjcarter:

It doesn't have to convert anything.

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a1fa:

;P

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hadees:

So i hate to repeating this over and over but i don't have much of a choice, anyone know what these errors mean?

[21:25:46]

tjcarter:

Only LCDs have to convert to match native resolution--CRTs just have to be able to keep up and have a small enough dot pitch.

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hadees:

2007-04–12 23:02:16.472 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND end

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a1fa:

tjcarter : thats all spanish village for me

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a1fa:

i am not gonna bullshit you :P that is over my head

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xris:

hadees: sounds like the device is IO bound (busy)

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xris:

hadees: -v all

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a1fa:

tjcarter : so leave it at 720p?

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a1fa:

i whish i can fix this overscna issue

[21:27:11]

a1fa:

its cropping a bit

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tjcarter:

that generally means they're going to be able to support any resolution the tube can physically keep up with drawing.

[21:29:14]

a1fa:

tjcarter : is there anyway i can fix this overscan issue ?

[21:29:25]

tjcarter:

How fuzzy the image will be depends on a thing called dot pitch, but that's getting complicated since dot pitch has nothing to do with resolution.

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tjcarter:

LCDs have just one resolution and scale everything to fit using something like bicubic interpolation in hardware.

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j-rod:

hound: myth sends the channel-change commands to the hdhr over ethernet, no worries about IR

[21:31:25]

tjcarter:

At least, the ones that don't look like shit when using non-native resolution use something like bicubic..

[21:31:44]

j-rod:

mmm... 800x600 on my 1680x1050 LCD... :)

[21:31:52]

tjcarter:

Some just use linear interpolation, which is just stretching it to fit the new size without trying very hard to match the original.

[21:32:05]

a1fa:

tjcarter : how can i compensate for overscanning?

[21:32:22]

tjcarter:

as in, you don't want Myth to overscan?

[21:32:35]

j-rod:

therein lies the beauty of dvi...

[21:32:38]

a1fa:

hm.. the interface is overscanned

[21:32:44]

a1fa:

j-rod : i am using dvi

[21:32:46]

tjcarter:

You can set GUI size/offests that don't overscan.

[21:32:48]

j-rod:

oh?

[21:32:51]

j-rod:

crappy

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a1fa:

dvi<--->hdmi

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tjcarter:

j-rod: he's got a CRT-based 1080i HDTV set.

[21:33:09]

xris:

j-rod: lots of tvs these days still seem to overscan digital inputs. it's lame

[21:33:11]

a1fa:

(fucking 3way handshake for tvs)

[21:33:18]

xris:

a1fa: please don't swear

[21:33:22]

a1fa:

sorry

[21:33:42]

a1fa:

yeah.. thats crappy

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j-rod:

ew

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tjcarter:

Overscanning the video is not a bad thing.

[21:34:03]

tjcarter:

Overscanning the UI is.

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a1fa:

tjcarter : i fooled around the offsets in setup->appearance

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a1fa:

that just makes it worse

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** j-rod thinks an hdtv shouldn't be overscanning at all :) **

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** tjcarter agrees **

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** j-rod has a 1920x1080p LCD fed via DVI, and his mac mini fills the screen *perfectly* **

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tjcarter:

a1fa: you may need to tweak them more.

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a1fa:

tjcarter : i just dont know what to tweek

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a1fa:

when I put height and width pixel offset

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BSD_Tech:

I need to get x working with s-video

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tjcarter:

j-rod: I will have to figure out what to do with 120 pixels when I get there..

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BSD_Tech:

grrr

[21:35:50]

a1fa:

i get an 800x600 screen in a 1240x720 screen

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a1fa:

:(

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j-rod:

tjcarter: heh, using a 1920x1200 lcd for viewing?

[21:36:18]

tjcarter:

yesh =D

[21:36:38]

xris:

a1fa: you probably need to mess with the modelines and other mucky xorg.conf stuff

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j-rod:

heh, mine's an actual HDTV

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tjcarter:

Cheapest way to get a quality non-CRT HDTV these days.

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** j-rod tries to remember who wrote up some stuff about his gawdawful experiences with an old 1080i rp-hdtv **

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tjcarter:

a1fa: what does it matter if the UI is displayed 800x600?

[21:37:31]

a1fa:

its too big

[21:37:35]

tjcarter:

BTW, it should be closer to 1000x600 when you're done tweaking it.

[21:37:47]

tjcarter:

or even 1100x600

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BSD_Tech:

anyone have composit or svideo out working

[21:39:05]

BSD_Tech:

I need help getting mine to work

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a1fa:

j-rod : i'll try that tonight

[21:40:37]

tjcarter:

j-rod: actually, i would think Myth would be more ready to handle 8:5 aspect than it is. 16:9 aspect doesn't look terrible, but you'd think Myth would cope just a little better..

[21:40:59]

a1fa:

brb

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a1fa:

driving home

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j-rod:

tjcarter: somewhere in the settings, there's a knob for monitor aspect... I *think* 16:10 is an option in svn trunk, not sure about 0.20...

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tjcarter:

actually my current interest is in seeing a BackRow framework (Apple TV) that either supports MythTV backends as a source directly, or works through mythweb.

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H0rb0rt:

does anyone know how I can install mythTV on openSUSE 10.2. I tried:

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H0rb0rt:

rpm's

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H0rb0rt:

packman repo

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tjcarter:

I don't wanna mess with trunk--too hard to keep up given the ubuntu/mac nature of my LAN ;)

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H0rb0rt:

and both failed

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Kazan:

anyone hever have a HD-5500?

[21:43:50]

H0rb0rt:

installing worked fine, but starting mythtv gave 'segmentation error'.

[21:44:06]

tjcarter:

actually, I am wondering if I might go digital when I get moved to Monmouth..

[21:44:35]

tjcarter:

http://www.minetfiber.com/ <-- holy crap! =D

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tjcarter:

College towns rock! =D

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Kazan:

oh... the local cable company claims that their HD STBs are not "build for that capacity" (firewire output)

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** Kazan informs them that they're in violtion of FCC regs **

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tjcarter:

5MB/sec (with an yte), up and down. And that's where it starts.

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BSD_Tech:

I found out how

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BSD_Tech:

and xorg supports it

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tjcarter:

Kazan: the FCC regs require HD boxes use firewire?

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H0rb0rt:

help...

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Kazan:

tjcarter: yes

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tjcarter:

H0rb0rt: for most people, the best bet is to build Myth from source.

[21:47:07]

Kazan:

tjcarter: FCC regs require HD STBs have firewire output

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j-rod:

why would you say building from source is the best bet?

[21:47:32]

H0rb0rt:

I tried building it from source too, it gave some strange compilere error

[21:47:34]

tjcarter:

Kazan: so the chances that MInet's HD boxes have firewire out is pretty good then?

[21:47:42]

Kazan:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/02/01/does-you . . . irewire-port

[21:47:52]

Kazan:

if they don't you have the right to demand they comply

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tjcarter:

j-rod: because it's usually the best way to get the pieces to all work together.

[21:48:06]

Tanthrix:

Kazan: I've got a similar issue. Comcast Portland is encrypting NBC and PBS, even though they are OTA channels.

[21:48:17]

tjcarter:

j-rod: Consider ubuntu for ages =)

[21:48:30]

j-rod:

I think its far more error-prone than using packages provided for your distro...

[21:48:32]

Tanthrix:

Kazan: Oddly enough though most of my other channels work, including INHD, UHD, DiscoveryHD, etc..

[21:48:34]

tjcarter:

building from source was the only way to do it until hamsta came along and did it for us.

[21:48:36]

Kazan:

Tanthrix: technically they only have to decrypt OTA don't they?

[21:48:40]

j-rod:

unless your distro's packages aren't updated regularly

[21:48:51]

Kazan:

Tanthrix: i'm going to be a demanding customer and demand they let me see all of them since I AM PAYING FOR THEM

[21:48:54]

Tanthrix:

Kazan: Yes, as I understand it.

[21:48:59]

Kazan:

do you have a HD-5500 card as well?

[21:49:17]

Tanthrix:

No, but I've been thinking about buying one.

[21:49:24]

j-rod:

see, for fedora, how it works, is people check in changes to the fixes branch (myself included) and axel does new builds periodically (and/or when I ping him to)

[21:49:25]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: The problem there is that Comcast are just bastards.

[21:49:26]

Tanthrix:

I have a cable box with firewire out

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: Portland, Oregon?

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Kazan:

Page 50, section 4

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Kazan:

(4) Cable operators shall:

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Kazan:

(i) Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional.

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Kazan:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#FCC_regulations

[21:49:52]

Kazan:

sorry for the spam

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Tanthrix:

Kazan: In any case, by law they don't have to provide anything but the OTA channels unencrypted, so you won't get anywhere.

[21:50:02]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Aye.

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Kazan:

Tanthrix: hmm... doesn't look like the law says that, says that it must be functional

[21:50:46]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: hello from an hour south (20 minutes if my brother's driving..) =)

[21:50:53]

j-rod:

it can be "functional" and encrypted for premium channels at the same time

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j-rod:

only OTA stuff is mandated to be in the clear

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Kazan:

all XvMC capable cards have IDCT acceleration right?

[21:52:10]

xzcvczx:

anyone know what stops the microsoft wireless MCE keyboard from working in linux?

[21:52:16]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Hello there!

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** j-rod is about 3000 miles east, and its dinner time **

[21:52:19]

tjcarter:

wait, you can have firewire out working and still not be able to watch certain channels in HD becuase they're encrypted?

[21:52:26]

j-rod:

yes

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Tanthrix:

tjcarter: That is correct.

[21:52:36]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Often times everything but OTA is encrypted.

[21:52:41]

Kazan:

too bad nobody has cracked Cablevisions crypto

[21:53:04]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: so there is no real point to me going Firewire.

[21:53:04]

Tanthrix:

Kazan: You should find the actual FCC law / statement / whatever and see what it says.

[21:53:33]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Well, that depends on what is encrypted. For me, a good chunk of the channels including my HD stuff is accessible.

[21:53:45]

Kazan:

Tanthrix: i just quoted it into channel

[21:53:50]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: In any case, if you have a motarolla cable box you can find out which channels are which before hand

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H0rb0rt:

after sh configure of mythtv my console says libs/libmyth/mythconfig.h is unchanged, what dows that mean?

[21:54:06]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: MInet may or may not encrypt lots of things, but I suspect they do.

[21:54:40]

tjcarter:

er, how? =)

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Tanthrix:

Kazan: Hrm. That's all there is on the matter? I'm sure there must be some more detail somewhere else.

[21:55:08]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: What box do you have?

[21:55:18]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: Currently I don't have a box.

[21:55:31]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: why pay for something I don't know already I can use?

[21:56:12]

Tanthrix:

tjcarter: Oh, gotcha. Well, then your only option is to find someone in your area that does have it then check.

[21:56:13]

tjcarter:

I don't have things like remote channel changing working, and I never even really got LIRC to work when last I tried..

[21:56:14]

Kazan:

Tanthrix: i have the full pdf up right now

[21:56:24]

Kazan:

it's the only reference to 1394 in the entire thing

[21:56:30]

Tanthrix:

Hrm.

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Tanthrix:

There is probably a separate law concerning the encryption then, since I've heard from other people that is the case.

[21:57:07]

H0rb0rt:

after sh configure of mythtv my console says libs/libmyth/mythconfig.h is unchanged, what dows that mean?

[21:57:17]

Tanthrix:

Maybe they're wrong though? Maybe they are required by law to have all channels that you are subscribed to unencrypted.

[21:57:18]

Kazan:

Tanthrix: it is also possibly a media-companies-encouraged urban legend

[21:57:23]

Tanthrix:

Aye

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: so how would I check, assuming Motorola box, probably Motorola non-HD box..?

[21:57:36]

Kazan:

the regulation certainly IMPLIES that you should get all the channels you're subscribed to

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Tanthrix:

xris: I can understand prohibiting the talk of pirated materials and such to avoid associated myth with piracy unfairly, but prohibiting swearing is a bit much.

[22:01:54]

Tanthrix:

Then again, it's not my chan so I won't suppose to tell you what to do. Just my thoughts on the matter.

[22:01:55]

Kazan:

yeah

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xris:

Tanthrix: this is a "family friendly" channel.

[22:02:05]

xris:

people hang out here with small children nearby

[22:02:05]

Kazan:

and that's silly

[22:02:12]

Kazan:

considering any language inherently vulgar is absolutely assinine

[22:02:15]

Beirdo:

how about you just act like adults and use clean language?

[22:02:29]

tjcarter:

Razzin' frazzin' motherfu--stupid Comcast!

[22:02:30]

Kazan:

it's far more offensive to say that someone is a feces eating bovine fornicator than to you an expletive

[22:02:49]

Kazan:

Beirdo: how about act like adults and not artificially invent the idea of "unclean language"?

[22:02:58]

Kazan:

i much prefer that

[22:03:11]

Kazan:

s/to you/to use

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hadees:

Kazan, except you f***ing specifically because it was vulgar, if it wasn't vuglar i doubt you would have used it

[22:03:28]

hadees:

wouldn't have had the same effect

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Tanthrix:

Kazan: I completely agree, though I do see the other side of the argument. Even if it is arbitrary, many people take offense.

[22:03:31]

Kazan:

wrong

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Kazan:

in that usage it's an emphasis word hadees

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o Beirdo

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** xris waves at Kazan. **

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Kazan:

Tanthrix: and they can go take offense in the privacy of their own home

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tjcarter:

Kazan: which makes it a hollow word.

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hadees:

Kazan, but the only reason it has an emphasis is because it is a swear word

[22:04:14]

Kazan:

no

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hadees:

hey i am all about free speech but lets not kid ourselves to the reason the word has emphasis

[22:04:37]

tjcarter:

Kazan: c'mon, it's not a big deal--you're just being asked not to use that around the kids.

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Kazan has been kicked from #mythtv-users by Beirdo!n=gjhurlbu@unaffiliated/beirdo (stop arguing when people ask you not to swear)

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tjcarter:

nevermind =)

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xris:

fyi, kazan is a "known troublemaker".. has been banned before.

[22:05:13]

Tanthrix:

Oh, I see.

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hadees:

xris, for swearing?

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hadees:

or arguing

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Beirdo:

and likely will again... remind me to unban him in a day or two?

[22:05:33]

xris:

hadees: for being a jerk

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: This is why I don't run channels, networks, etc.

[22:06:10]

Tanthrix:

Hehe.

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** xris now wishes that gaim had /ignore **

[22:06:33]

Beirdo:

he's been a PITA over and over... And he thinks it's mature to swear in a public forum...

[22:06:45]

hadees:

you don't any implied right to be in this channel so you have to follow the ops rules

[22:06:46]

tjcarter:

Tanthrix: I demand the right, if I am given the power, to remove anyone who can't be bothered to be respectful.

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hadees:

*don't have

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Tanthrix:

tjcarter: I would agree that any channel "owner" has that right. I still agree with Kazan's premise though that words are only powerful when people give them power.

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xris:

Tanthrix: it's more a matter of "there are rules, and they're not up for debate"

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Beirdo:

forgot

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hadees:

Tanthrix, i agree and the reason he used the word was because of that hence he knew what he was doing

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Beirdo:

let's not forget by nick

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Tanthrix:

tjcarter: To me, it's a bit medieval to have one word that is "naughty" and another that is not. But, people have their arbitrary ways, so I suppose it's respectful to act accordingly.

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Beirdo:

heh

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tjcarter:

Tanthrix: Ah, but if the owner delegates that authority to me, then the right is mine. Its why no channel I have ever been an operator of has had a published set of rules except when the ruleset included "Ticking off the operators without explicitly breaking the rules is not permitted."

[22:09:27]

Beirdo:

exactly, Tanthrix... if it bothers others, the respectful and mature thing to do is to refrain from doing it

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tjcarter:

Get too many of those otherwise =D

[22:10:30]

tjcarter:

..people who want to be able to call you a facist such-and-such for banning them when they never actually broke any rules.

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Tanthrix:

Beirdo: I am a very skeptical, logical person so I just get cranky when I have to deal with other people's arbitrary cultural habits. That is why when I have moderated in the past I've never censored swearing and such.

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Tanthrix:

Beirdo: Though I have banned for generall asshole-ish behaviour ;)

[22:11:25]

Tanthrix:

Er, sorry!

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Tanthrix:

I swear I didn't mean to say that.

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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** Tanthrix puts his foot in my mouth **

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tjcarter:

Nor do I, but I recognize the right of others to do so.

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Tanthrix:

(You can tell that I swear occasionally, so it's a hard habit to break)

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Beirdo:

it is for sure

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tjcarter:

and um, they say that on MTV ;)

[22:12:03]

Beirdo:

I've been known to do it too :)

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xris:

omg, he just won't shut up.

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Tanthrix:

xris: Is he PM-ing you or something?

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tjcarter:

hehe

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xris:

Tanthrix: we tolerate occasional swearing.. even obfuscated swearing... it's more the constant arguing that's the problem.

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Beirdo:

good to know he's still the same old same old

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xris:

if someone says "don't swear", stop swearing.. don't go on a rant about how you'

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xris:

you're being censored.

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hadees:

unless your in #freedomofspeach

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Beirdo:

hehe..

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jshadias:

consider the topic says "fucking", i wouldn't really expect the channel to be censored

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hadees:

speech eve

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hadees:

n

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tjcarter:

no, not even there, because it's only censorship if done by a government agency.

[22:14:20]

Beirdo:

jshadias, heh, true. maybe that should be remedied sometime ;)

[22:14:21]

Tanthrix:

xris: I would argue that rational, mature discussion about the rules should not be grounds for kick/banning, as long as it doesn't get in the way of anything.

[22:14:21]

hadees:

jshadias, good point

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hadees:

now if only Kazan was smart enough to use that argument

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tjcarter:

haha

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xris:

Tanthrix: if discussion about the rules is ever opened up, then sure.. in this case, it's not a rule that will change.

[22:15:09]

Tanthrix:

xris: But there's a difference between that and whining / moaning about "fascism" and such, so I can see your point.

[22:16:27]

hadees:

so anyway, can you use an air2pc to get qam?

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xris:

hadees: I believe the 5000 card can

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hadees:

i think i have the first revision

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xris:

first rev doesn't

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hadees:

i bought it right before the broadcast flag was supposed to go into effect

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hadees:

so it is either rev1 or 2

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hadees:

xris, do you know how to tell what rev you have?

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Beirdo:

I think it's hit and miss on rev1, some people have had some limited success, IIRC

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xris:

hadees: sorry, no clue. beirdo has my old rev1 card, though, so he might be able to describe it to you

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Beirdo:

I'd have to pull it out of the box... I could lspci though

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Tanthrix:

xris: Is QAM what provides the OTA HD channels over digital cable?

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xris:

Tanthrix: it's all of digital cable

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BSD_Tech:

I think I got it

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BSD_Tech:

I foind a good page for crt + tv

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xris:

Tanthrix: QAM : ATSC :: DVB-C : DVB-T

[22:19:30]

BSD_Tech:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Separate_x-scree . . . nitor_and_TV

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Tanthrix:

xris: Oh really? Interesting – so does that mean a HD-5500 card would be able to view all regular digital cable channels as well as the HD ones without 5C encryption?

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Beirdo:

0000:00:0b.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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Beirdo:

Subsystem: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card

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xris:

Tanthrix: theoretically, yes.

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hadees:

xris, it is all digital cable? does that mean you could use a QAM enabled card instead of firewire over an cable box?

[22:20:25]

Tanthrix:

xris: What's the "theoretically" part mean? ;)

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xris:

hadees: again, theoretically

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xris:

Tanthrix: encryption, and I can't say for sure because I'm only basing that info on heresay

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Tanthrix:

xris: Hrm, alright.

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hadees:

well encryption is the problem

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jams:

the air2pc rev1 also says Rev 01 right on the circuit board

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Tanthrix:

xris: I guess they're not too expensive. I might pick one up when I eventually pick out a HD set.

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hadees:

jams, really? i'll have to go look at my card

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jams:

yep

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jams:

air2pc atsc-pci p/n ### REV:1.0

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BSD_Tech:

I have the same card

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xris:

Tanthrix: search through linuxtv's wiki. there are also cards by dvico that apparently work well, and I think are cheaper

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hadees:

wow i wasn't even close it says REV: .3.1

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Tanthrix:

xris: Interesting. So have you heard of anyone first hand getting more than OTA channels via a HD tuner card?

[22:23:58]

Tanthrix:

xris: Or is it some kind of legend ;)

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Tanthrix:

Even so, I would like to get PBS to catch NOVA/Nature/etc.. so even if it didn't work out not all would be lost.

[22:24:41]

xris:

Tanthrix: pretty sure I have. there's no difference in tuning/stream/etc between SD and HD over QAM.

[22:24:49]

hadees:

so i guess i can do qam, cool

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Tanthrix:

hadees: Hook it up and see if you can get something!

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hadees:

I just got a 37" lcd HDTV and i have noticed the fonts used in mythtv are kind of pixelated now. Is there anything I can do about this?

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Smirnov:

have you already enabled opengl?

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Tanthrix:

hadees: The fonts should be vector, so only background picture stuff should be pixellated.

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hadees:

Smirnov, i had it on but it was making things kind of slow, i have an older card

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tjcarter:

Beirdo: http://tinyurl.com/22c6t can be used instead of the current URL in the topic, though perhaps you wouldn't want to.

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Tanthrix:

hadees: Since somebody thought it was a good idea to hard code a theme limit of 720p ;)

[22:29:06]

hadees:

Tanthrix, looks like the fonts and not the background to me

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hadees:

it is really apparent in the large menu text

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Tanthrix:

Weird – on my 1080P set they looked great.

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hadees:

like Watch Recordings etc

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Tanthrix:

Maybe you're using a weird kind of bitmap font or something?

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hadees:

Tanthrix, well it isn't all of it, just the letters with diagonals in them like W, V, M

[22:31:02]

hadees:

Tanthrix, maybe, so i guess this might just be an xorg font issue

[22:31:17]

hadees:

the fonts looked fine on my old TV but it wasn't HD

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hadees:

Tanthrix, are you using vga or dvi?

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hadees:

or i guess HDMI

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Tanthrix:

hadees: DVI. My Westinghouse set had both DVI and HDMI ports.

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hadees:

i just use VGA and so I didn't really bother to think about 1080i or 720p

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Tanthrix:

hadees: Though technically they are the same, so it shouldn't matter.

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hadees:

i just hooked up vga and put in the modelines as if it was a monitor

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Tanthrix:

hadees: What resolution areyou running it at now?

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hadees:

Tanthrix, 1360x768

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

EDID SUCKS!!!

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a1fa:

tjcarter : i am unable to do 1080i :(

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a1fa:

even with am odline

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Tanthrix:

hadees: So your set is probably doing some scaling, since you have a 1366x768 native set, no?

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Tanthrix:

hadees: If it's not doing 1:1 pixel mapping that could cause some issues, but I wouldn't think they would be bad enough to notice.

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Tanthrix:

Gotta run, later.

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hadees:

Tanthrix, would that really be the problem? i mean this is supposed to act like a monitor so why would it scale if i set modlines to be perfect match to their specs

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hadees:

also only the text seems pixelated, images seem fine

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hadees:

even the text in the images

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tjcarter:

a1fa: I don't know anything about modelines..

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hadees:

it has to be a font problem

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tjcarter:

a1fa: and your TV probably lies in its EDID info

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tjcarter:

Most TVs do.

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a1fa:

i told xorg to ignore EDID

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AndyCap:

Btw, who's the genius who thought 1366x768 was a good idea for tv's?

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AndyCap:

a1fa: what card is this?

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a1fa:

why the hell would they lie about EDID

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a1fa:

AndyCap GeForce4 MX 4000

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AndyCap:

a1fa: well, there's your problem. :)

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hadees:

even then i had to adjust them to get the picture centered in linux

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a1fa:

AndyCap : lol?

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a1fa:

why is that a problem?

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AndyCap:

a1fa: check the nvidia readme, anyhoo, long story short, 1366 is not divisible by 8

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a1fa:

this card is capable of doing higher resolutions

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hadees:

but you can turn off that check

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a1fa:

i just did

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AndyCap:

a1fa: not the edid check

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AndyCap:

the 8 alignment check

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a1fa:

Option "ModeValidation" "NoMaxSizeCheck, NoHorizSyncCheck, NoVertRefreshCheck"

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a1fa:

this didnt work

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a1fa:

i forced 1080i, but the picture is messed up on tv

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hadees:

a1fa, try using 1360x768

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hadees:

you loose 6 pixels but you can't really notice it

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hadees:

then again my TV has a vga port and it told me to use that resolution to being with

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

1360x768 is not 1080i

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hadees:

sorry I thought you were going to that resolution because of what AndyCap said

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hadees:

i don't know much about getting it to work over dvi

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AndyCap:

a1fa: you're missing the NoWidthAlignmentCheck

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a1fa:

ok

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AndyCap:

anyhow, tv's being tv's, but that's the only option I needed for a cheapo tv in 1366x768

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BSD_Tech:

nope its not working

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BSD_Tech:

grrr

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

andy this is weerd dude

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a1fa:

i only see half a screen in this resolution

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a1fa:

1920x1080i

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AndyCap:

a1fa: why are you trying to push your tv over the limit?

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a1fa:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1920x1080i"; removing.

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a1fa:

here is my problem

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a1fa:

AndyCap : that is its limit

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a1fa:

eventhough i have a modeline for this

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AndyCap:

a1fa: what tv is this?

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a1fa:

30" Sanyo HDTV (CRT)

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AndyCap:

ah, ok. :)

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a1fa:

heplp

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a1fa:

help :P

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hadees:

anyone here ever heard of the Olevia 537H

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hadees:

great TV for the price

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a1fa:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "in1080i"; removing.

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

this is crap

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a1fa:

i just told it to use this modeline

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a1fa:

and it didnt use it

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a1fa:

why?

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hound:

It surprises me to see letters in an xorg config line for modes, you sure you need that?

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hound:

just "NUMxNUM" i thought

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AndyCap:

hound: they're just a label, it has no relation to the actual mode

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AndyCap:

hound: you can call it hound if you like

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a1fa:

AndyCap : why is int it readying it?

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hound:

ah, nice :)

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hadees:

a1fa, powerstrip might make this easier for you

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a1fa:

i dont have windows

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/438927

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AndyCap:

a1fa: well, it's probably reading it and tossing it because you're giving it parameters that do not validate, and you don't override or correct them

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a1fa:

so edid info about my horizontal and vertical refresh are not real?

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a1fa:

and i shouldnt be querying my tv for that info?

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lilrayray:

hi all, I am close to getting mythtv to work with my ATI HDTV wonder card, but unfortunately, I get a black screen when I click "watch tv"

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/438927 <-- here is my xorg config

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AndyCap:

a1fa: maybe, maybe not

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a1fa:

it shouldnt even matter if you have a modeline

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AndyCap:

a1fa: uh, for modern drivers it matters

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

i just dont know whats up with this sutpid thing

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hound:

lilrayray, maybe it's looking at the wrong input on your card? Try hitting C at the black screen

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lilrayray:

hound, ok, one sec

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a1fa:

The minimum recommended NVIDIA card is the FX 5200. Depending on the manufacturer/model, many have exhibited some odd display issues when playing video at 1920x1080(i or p) via DVI even when not using XvMC. Interestingly, underscanning by 3% in the horizontal direction within MythTV solves the FX 5200s problems.

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lilrayray:

hound, I now have a white screen

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lilrayray:

do you know if beryl interferes with it?

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fryfrog:

well, i'm on feisty for my backend now. i hope that firewire recording goes much better!

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EnderTheThird:

does the HD-5500 need an audio cable going into the soundcard for analog audio for some crazy ass reason?

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hound:

lilrayray, haven't tried that combination myself. I would think it could depending how you have direct rendering setup

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roger55:

what is the thing called that lets you export recordings by just cutting out the comercials (cutlist is there) and leave the recording in mpeg2 format?

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fryfrog:

nuvexport?

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GreyFoxx:

lossless transcoding

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fryfrog:

ah

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roger55:

GreyFoxx, that's a builtin in mythtv, right?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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roger55:

thanks

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lilrayray:

hound, any other ideas as to why the screen is black?

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hound:

lilrayray, do you know if you use xgl or aiglx?

[23:02:51]

a1fa:

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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a1fa:

AndyCap : dude

[23:03:14]

lilrayray:

hound, well, Im using the latest Nvidia drivers so I assume xgl

[23:03:30]

hound:

lilrayray, my point is, stop using beryl and see if your problems go away

[23:03:43]

hound:

lilrayray, and try hitting C more then once, maybe you have more inputs to cycle through

[23:04:22]

lilrayray:

just tryed, and does the same without beryl

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lilrayray:

Ill try hitting c a bunch of times

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Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: Yes, from what I've been told.

[23:06:09]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: It is primarily an HD card, so the price would have probably gone up too much if they had to include a full fletched PVR chip.

[23:06:11]

a1fa:

THIS IS JUST CRAP!

[23:06:53]

EnderTheThird:

Tanthrix: thanks. some more Googling seems to show that it's something with the driver though. The audio jack on there is for audio IN for when composite or s-video input is used

[23:07:51]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: You sure about that? Any internal jack on the card should be an output, not an input.

[23:08:12]

EnderTheThird:

it's a jack on the back, I don't think there is one on the card itself

[23:08:45]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: Oh – well that is normal then, since s/video or composite only carry video.

[23:09:52]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: But as I understand it has a "dumb" analog portion, meaning that sound is not encoded, only passed along. HD stuff is simple because it's just an mpeg2 transport stream, audio and all. For analog stuff it has to be converted.

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Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: I don't have one though, so I may be completely full of it. ;)

[23:11:20]

a1fa:

can anyone help me with this stupid thing

[23:11:25]

Der_Thomas:

Hi, I'm having some compile issues, anyone around that can give me a hand?

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EnderTheThird:

Tanthrix: That appears to be the case. I just built a Core 2 Duo E6600 w/ 2GB RAM, I think she can handle the audio stream :)

[23:12:38]

Tanthrix:

From the HD-5500 page: "One stereo connection jack to sound card for analog TV"

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EnderTheThird:

Hmmm

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Tanthrix:

How's it working for HD stuff?

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Tanthrix:

I'm thinking of getting one

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EnderTheThird:

Wonder if I even have a stereo cable for it around here, ha

[23:13:51]

EnderTheThird:

Works great on HD channels (OTA or QAM-256 unencrypted)

[23:14:08]

Tanthrix:

Do you have digital cable by any chance?

[23:14:33]

EnderTheThird:

I do, but it won't get digital cable (encrypted). I get the HD network unecrypted stuff though

[23:14:45]

EnderTheThird:

analog cable comes through, and doesn't look much worse than the digital cable.

[23:15:36]

Tanthrix:

xris was mentioning earlier that in theory the card can get digital cable if things aren't encrypted.

[23:15:47]

Tanthrix:

Not just the HD stuff.

[23:16:07]

EnderTheThird:

Yeah, it could. Some cable companies broadcast digital cable unencrypted. Just not mine, heh.

[23:16:15]

a1fa:

i am about to return this fucking tv

[23:16:21]

a1fa:

and get one with 1080p

[23:16:23]

a1fa:

this crap

[23:16:35]

EnderTheThird:

alfa: go for it. I hate my 1080i (it's 5 years old, but still!)

[23:16:41]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: And you've confirmed that with your cable box diagnostic pages and stuff?

[23:17:03]

Tanthrix:

a1fa: Might not be a bad idea. What's your budget though?

[23:17:27]

a1fa:

i dont know $600

[23:17:31]

EnderTheThird:

Tanthrix: I've emailed the cable company and the only stations they broadcast in the clear are their HD/digital network channels (NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.)

[23:17:39]

a1fa:

i hope my girl didnt trash the reciept

[23:17:40]

EnderTheThird:

$600 won't get you 1080p

[23:17:51]

a1fa:

$800

[23:17:55]

EnderTheThird:

What is it now?

[23:18:00]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: The reason I ask is because I think that I might be able to get all my digital stuff with the HD-5500. With firewire I can tune to most of my channels.

[23:18:07]

a1fa:

$400

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EnderTheThird:

what res?

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: 1050 will get you a 37 inch 1080P LCD from newegg.com

[23:18:33]

Tanthrix:

a1fa: One of the cheapest 1080P sets I've seen, if not the cheapest.

[23:18:34]

EnderTheThird:

Tanthrix: bastard, haha. Might be worth a shot. I ordered 2 ;-)

[23:18:38]

hound:

Tanthrix, what purpose does the firewire have?

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[23:19:00]

a1fa:

Resolution: 1366 x 768

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a1fa:

for $700

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Tanthrix:

hound: It lets myth record the straight digital stream from the cable company. For one, it's the only way to do HD without a HD tuner card, and secondly, it yeilds better quality than converting analog cable to digital at home.

[23:19:46]

Tanthrix:

hound: Tends to be unreliable though, and if your cable company encrypts it you're out of luck.

[23:19:56]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: By any chance do you have a Motarolla cable box?

[23:19:57]

a1fa:

i really fucking hate 1280x720

[23:20:09]

a1fa:

+ my tv is blury on the left

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a1fa:

that can be corrected somehow

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a1fa:

its in the service manual

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EnderTheThird:

Let me check

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hound:

wow thats neat, I wonder if I could tap into my digital box

[23:22:03]

EnderTheThird:

Yes

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Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: If you'd be willing, I'd like you to check a channel that your HD-5500 can't recieve to see if it is indeed encrypted.

[23:22:29]

EnderTheThird:

But the idea is to get rid of my digital box and save the $16/month I spend on the HD DVR

[23:22:43]

EnderTheThird:

Sure

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Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: Is it a DCT 3146 or DCT 6400 or similar?

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EnderTheThird:

DCT6416 III

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fryfrog:

krikey, there is a DCT6416?

[23:24:00]

fryfrog:

any idea what is changed between that and 6412?

[23:24:07]

EnderTheThird:

I guess so, heh.

[23:24:09]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: Ok, tune to a regular SD digital channel that doesn't work due to encryption. Then power off the box and right after it powers off press the "OK/Select" button on your remote.

[23:24:26]

Tanthrix:

That should take you to a diagnostics page.

[23:24:35]

EnderTheThird:

Probably removing the 30 second skip that I had with my old cable company (don't remember exact model, but it's awfully close to my current box)

[23:25:04]

EnderTheThird:

Alright, TV is in living room so give me a sec

[23:25:17]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: Then scroll down to CURRENT CHANNEL STATUS and see what it says for "CCI: " for the correct tuner.

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Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: You'll have 2 pages for each tuner, so you can check 2 channels at once.

[23:26:16]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc well I was afk :)

[23:28:22]

AlfadorJanus`:

whats the best way to use a gamepad to control mythtv to watch videos etc.

[23:28:26]

AlfadorJanus`:

not just for mythgame

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Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: You should also check a channel you know to work just to make sure it says "CCI: 0x00" to confirm that nothing weird is going on.

[23:28:40]

fryfrog:

isn't there a ./configure option for that?

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fryfrog:

like --enable-joystick?

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EnderTheThird:

doesn't give CCI at all

[23:29:13]

EnderTheThird:

telling me it's analog and clear even though it SHOULD be a digital channel

[23:29:27]

AlfadorJanus`:

fryfrog: i'm using gentoo...do i actually odn't know what config options are installed

[23:29:33]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: Ohhh – your company might be doing a simulcast thing.

[23:29:44]

AlfadorJanus`:

but i tryed isn't the joypadmenurc file

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fryfrog:

AlfadorJanus`: check the useflags, maybe there is a "joystick" something

[23:29:58]

AlfadorJanus`:

and i don't really understand how to set it up, or even if it will do what i want

[23:30:03]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: Well, try an HD channel that works with your card, and then an HD channel that doesn't work. Should accomplish the same thing.

[23:30:08]

fryfrog:

me either, never used it sorry :(

[23:30:32]

AlfadorJanus`:

i found on google where you can use um.. qjoypad

[23:30:40]

AlfadorJanus`:

but i have never used that, don't know a thing about it

[23:31:04]

AlfadorJanus`:

was hoping someone around would have experence and know the best route to go

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EnderTheThird:

heh, alright

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AlfadorJanus`:

hum..there is a joybpad useflag though that i have disabled..

[23:31:40]

EnderTheThird:

pain in the ass running back and forth, heh

[23:32:08]

Tanthrix:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_to_use_a_Mot . . . 9_is_Enabled

[23:32:32]

Tanthrix:

EnderTheThird: Don't worry about it then, thanks for trying though. Much appreciated.

[23:32:54]

Tanthrix:

In any case, it seems your digital cable might not be so digital after all.

[23:33:10]

Tanthrix:

That wikibook is great – tells everything you could possibly want to know about the DCT cable boxes.

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EnderTheThird:

Got it

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EnderTheThird:

it's saying one of my HD pack channels is encrypted and the network one is unknown

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EnderTheThird:

CCI doesn't change, but it does have a DRM value and straight up says ENC or UNK

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Tanthrix:

I'm not sure what the DRM stands for. I don't know if it's DRM in the sense that we know it in.

[23:36:11]

EnderTheThird:

maybe because it's a premium channel?

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EnderTheThird:

encrypted and needs an authority code type of thing, i don't know

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Tanthrix:

That could be it

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Tanthrix:

since encryption is a separate issue from authorization codes / subscription stuff

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Tanthrix:

BRB in 20, gotta run.

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EnderTheThird:

alright

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EnderTheThird:

i might be back on. i'm gonna trouble shoot this analog sound and shoot myself in the head

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tjcarter:

Okay, what the hell did Ubuntu do to make MythTV unable to talk to mysql THIS TIME?

[23:39:32]

tjcarter:

Every single upgrade, they do this.

[23:39:40]

tjcarter:

Doesn't matter what you do with conffiles

[23:39:58]

tjcarter:

SOMETHING changes and mysql stops allowing connections from mythbackend.

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GreyFoxx:

tjcarter: They likely change the sql password to aq random password and don't update the mysql.txt :)

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hadees:

xris, so i took your advice and did 'mythbackend -v all' and i got the same error IOBOUND error additional information

[23:42:32]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: did you get 1.1.0?

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fryfrog:

Version: 1.1.0–2ubuntu2

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fryfrog:

yup :)

[23:43:47]

hadees:

Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this error or what might be causing it?

[23:43:52]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: more stabler?

[23:43:54]

fryfrog:

it is recording now, in a few days i'll know how many 0 byte files it made :)

[23:43:58]

SlicerDicer-:

if stabler is a word

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fryfrog:

i'm not sure yet, only been a few hours

[23:44:11]

fryfrog:

hadees: it means that it can't write data to the disk fast enough

[23:44:13]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: if you want my script I will shoot it to ya

[23:44:23]

fryfrog:

nah, mine is better bitch :p

[23:44:24]

fryfrog:

at least, now

[23:44:27]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: all you do is set it up as cron to run daily it wont clash with any recordings

[23:44:35]

tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: ...

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SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: mine has been perfect :)

[23:44:45]

fryfrog:

well, if it turns out i'm very stable i guess i could switch to it

[23:44:51]

fryfrog:

it'd be smarter at least

[23:44:58]

tjcarter:

GreyFoxx: I kinda have a headless box here.

[23:45:00]

hadees:

fryfrog, yeah but why is it happening, if i kill mythbackend and start it up again it will go for a little while until the error happens again

[23:45:05]

SlicerDicer-:

however I am planning on doing a GUID tester that runs as a daemon :)

[23:45:11]

hadees:

fryfrog, is there anything i can do to fix it?

[23:45:14]

SlicerDicer-:

checking the connection every 30 mins

[23:45:22]

hadees:

i have dma on all my disks

[23:45:38]

fryfrog:

it is annoying to track down :/

[23:45:45]

xris:

hadees: is your disk full?

[23:45:55]

fryfrog:

are the disks local to the backend doing the recording? (ie, it isn't nfs or smb)

[23:46:08]

fryfrog:

is it ext3, and the IOBOUND happens when your be is deleting something?

[23:46:21]

hadees:

xris, i have 30G free

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fryfrog:

krikey, thats it?

[23:46:34]

fryfrog:

I have like 500G free :p

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hadees:

fryfrog, the filesystem is reiserfs

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fryfrog:

hummm

[23:47:18]

fryfrog:

and local, right?

[23:47:25]

hadees:

fryfrog, yeah local

[23:47:35]

hadees:

the disks are lvm

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hadees:

though

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fryfrog:

i see :/

[23:47:51]

xris:

fryfrog: I only have 100G of storage for mythtv. :P

[23:47:54]

fryfrog:

SD or HD?

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xris:

hadees: have you rebooted?

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fryfrog:

HOLEY COW only 100G?

[23:48:10]

fryfrog:

I set my backend to try and keep 100G *free* :p

[23:48:11]

xris:

fryfrog: I watch/archive pretty quickly

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fryfrog:

ah

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hadees:

xris, yeah, many times, like i said if i kill mythbackend it takes a little while for the problem to come back

[23:48:25]

SlicerDicer-:

fryfrog: remember he did nuvexport :)

[23:48:33]

fryfrog:

though, i honestly don't use the whole 1.5TB for myth

[23:48:40]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[23:48:42]

fryfrog:

a good chunk of it is uhh... other stuff

[23:48:57]

fryfrog:

you know, like books and songs that have gone out of copyright becuase they are 100 years old

[23:49:01]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah...

[23:49:03]

SlicerDicer-:

porn

[23:49:06]

SlicerDicer-:

LOL!!

[23:49:15]

fryfrog:

porn that is 75 years old only, of course

[23:49:19]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[23:49:22]

fryfrog:

public domain

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xris:

fryfrog: I have another server to hold the exported files.

[23:49:34]

fryfrog:

ahhhh

[23:49:47]

fryfrog:

i went from like 3 or 4 servers to 1 :)

[23:49:58]

fryfrog:

it has been... annoying at times, but the savings in heat in the room have been nice :)

[23:50:01]

xris:

fryfrog: workstation, mythbox, server

[23:50:19]

xris:

server lives in the garage, along with my firewall server.

[23:50:25]

fryfrog:

2x workstation, 1x server (and an xbox and mythfe)

[23:50:30]

fryfrog:

ha! i used to do that!

[23:50:40]

fryfrog:

but the poor garage got into the 100s during the summer :(

[23:50:43]

fryfrog:

i didn't think it'd appreciate that

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hadees:

xris, doesn't the garage get too hot?

[23:50:44]

xris:

fryfrog: wasn't counting my wife's boxes, either. she has a server, workstation and ibook

[23:50:53]

fryfrog:

dang!

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xris:

hadees: I live in seattle. :)

[23:50:56]

fryfrog:

lotta puters :)

[23:51:04]

fryfrog:

ahhh, so it never gets hot :p

[23:51:11]

hadees:

xris, okay so don't they get wet =)

[23:51:21]

fryfrog:

ahha

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xris:

fryfrog: her server is a redhat 7.3 box so I can run livejournal on it for a website she doesn't use anymore, but won't let me take down.

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hads:

heh

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hadees:

so i am doomed to a life of corrupted recordings due to IOBOUND problems

[23:51:45]

xris:

hadees: shelves. :)

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xris:

hadees: I honestly have no idea what's going on with that error.

[23:52:02]

hads:

I need to cut down on computers too

[23:52:13]

xris:

hads: xen is useful

[23:52:38]

hads:

Yeah. I need to get into it.

[23:52:49]

hadees:

xris, is there someway i can create a larger buffer?

[23:53:15]

hads:

Save some power. I''ve already replaced my firewall with a WRT54G to save some

[23:53:57]

xris:

hadees: that's over my head

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xris:

hads: as soon as you find me one that can handle 6 IPs, let me know.

[23:54:33]

hads:

Yeah. I don't get that option here unfortunately.

[23:54:47]

hadees:

xris, 6 ips sounds pricey

[23:54:48]

hads:

It's residential DSL or... nothing.

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xris:

I switched to comcast business a year or so ago. it's been nice. was too far from the CO to get good dsl speeds

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fryfrog:

xris: 6 *external* ips?

[23:55:22]

xris:

fryfrog: yes

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xris:

though I'd settle for 2

[23:55:39]

fryfrog:

xris: i think with a WRT54G + some custom firmware, it wouldn't be a problem

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fryfrog:

or a buffalo

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xris:

fryfrog: the "custom firmware" part doesn't sit well with me

[23:55:57]

fryfrog:

you'd have to probably cmdline setup the other stuff

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hads:

I run DD-WRT on mine. Works a treat.

[23:56:06]

fryfrog:

dd-wrt is opensource, and supposed to be good

[23:56:12]

fryfrog:

i use sveasoft's, but i'd like to move away

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hadees:

xris, i don't know it has been around for a while and it is open source

[23:56:34]

hads:

If I needed something more featureful I'd use pfsense

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blameless:

i use tomato firmware on a buffalo. seemed simpler than dd-wrt to me

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fryfrog:

xris: linksys used *linux* for the WRT54G, so they had to release source. So if you don't mind using myth, you shouldn't mind using them :)

[23:56:45]

hads:

(not on the WRT of course)

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fryfrog:

and for only like $50, it is at least worth a try :)

[23:57:06]

fryfrog:

though, i do miss my IPCOP firewall

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xris:

fryfrog: mythtv is an annoyance if it breaks. firewall breaks and I lose money.

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hadees:

fryfrog, does sveasoft give away their code yet? A couple years ago i found this site that had "pirated" copies of their firmware except because the WRT54G firmware was GPL they couldn't really mandate that

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fryfrog:

what do you use now, out of curiosity?

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hads:

Yeah, for my simple needs it's enough. For something like that I'd use a dedicated box.

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xris:

fryfrog: still at siliconmechanics.com

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xris:

but I telecommute sometimes.

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fryfrog:

hadees: he is still lame, released some older code

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fryfrog:

he pretends the "new" stuff is beta

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xris:

I looked at the WRT stuff at one point, and nothing supported enough of what I needed.

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fryfrog:

so the FSF lets him get away with charging for forum access

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xris:

maybe I should do it again

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hadees:

it is openbsd and pf for me

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hads:

xris: It's pretty good, but like I said I don't know if I'd use it for something like you have.

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fryfrog:

I got one and tested it out, before I switched

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xris:

hads: I basically need something with multi-ip and good port forwarding. proxyarp is optional (I don't bother with it at the moment), vlans would be useful

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fryfrog:

i mean... $50, why not :)

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