Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, April 11th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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SlicerDicer-:

did you use firewire_tester.c compiled?

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Tanthrix:

Yes, and doing the broadcast fix thing was necessary to get it up and running.

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Tanthrix:

Another issue was that on rebooting the node number changes. Know anyway to stop that from happening?

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: run SVN ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

SVN has some fixes for using guid instead of node

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SlicerDicer-:

therefore you never have to worry about it changing

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, clever. But, what about running the firewire tester broadcast fix automatically at boot?

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clever:

??

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Tanthrix:

lol

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clever:

:P

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Tanthrix:

clever: That's what you get for using common word name ;)

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clever:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

firewire_tester.c I run when I reboot

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SlicerDicer-:

thats the pain in the arse about it

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SlicerDicer-:

no GUID on that it uses nodes stil

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Tanthrix:

I guess it's not that big of a deal, because you can just set it to try both nodes.

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Tanthrix:

It will fail on one, but that will happen fairly instantly.

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: I'm actually thinking about buying a HD-3000 / HD-5500 card just to avoid having to deal with this, since it seems so damn unreliable.

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Know any tricks I should use to stop it from mysteriously stopping working?

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SlicerDicer-:

do you have it set to p2p in the firewire setup or broadcast?

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SlicerDicer-:

under mythtv-setup

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Tanthrix:

Broadcast.

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Tanthrix:

Hrm, now it seems to not work at all, despite "Broadcast Fix: Success"

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SlicerDicer-:

are you trying to use a channel that is 5C?

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Tanthrix:

No.

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm I would give SVN a try

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SlicerDicer-:

it cleared ALOT of my firewire issues up

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Tanthrix:

Though it might have been on its own since I didn't disable the 5C channels. (I still have no way of determining which channels use 5C, since every channel I tune to still says "5C Implementation = NO"

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Tanthrix:

(Shouldn't CBS and PBS be unencrypted by law?)

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: is that only related to SD or HD?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I remember you discussed that in detail I cant remember what you said though

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: When you tune to a 5C channel, what does it say on your interface page?

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SlicerDicer-:

5C = 1

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, huh?

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kormoc:

what do you mean by that?

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kormoc:

"that"

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: SDTV vs HDTV OTA 5C legality etc

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

that's only HDTV

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SlicerDicer-:

can they encrypt HDTV?

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SlicerDicer-:

OTA

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kormoc:

legally, nope

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SlicerDicer-:

ok

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: there is your answer :)

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kormoc:

see the firewire writeup link at the bottom

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: What about OTA channels provided via cable service?

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Unless it's some kind of a bug, I cannot do fireout in windows or linux on NBC and PBS. (Not CBS as I said earlier, mistake)

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Tanthrix:

firewire out*

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, if you have a active HD subscription, then no, OTA is legally to be uncrypted

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kormoc:

see the FCC ruling link in the bottom of the firewire wiki page

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Tanthrix:

That's what I thought.

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Tanthrix:

When I go to my interface page all I see for every channel is "5C IMPLEMENTATION = NO" even on the channels that don't work, not "=0" or "=1" like SlicerDicer's box or other people's, so I'm not sure my box is telling me the truth.

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: before I updated to SVN and switched to bcast

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SlicerDicer-:

my connection was craptastic on firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

I have no idea what CCI is :/

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Would you mind comparing a channel you know to be 5C on your box to a non-5C and see if you notice a difference?

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah I will look

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SlicerDicer-:

moment

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Tanthrix:

Thanks, much appreciated.

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Tanthrix:

I wonder if CCI has something to do with the encryption.

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Tanthrix:

Scroll down to Dwight's post and the responses.

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SlicerDicer-:

http://idisk.mac.com/slicerdicer/Public/5c.jpg

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what mine says Tanthrix

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Tanthrix:

I meant check the "CURRENT CHANNEL STATUS" from the main screen.

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Tanthrix:

But yah, my INTERFACE/PORT STATUS page is different.

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SlicerDicer-:

I powerdown the box and hit the select button

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SlicerDicer-:

then go to D11 or Interface Status

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Tanthrix:

Go to D06 and check the CCI thing.

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Tanthrix:

Instead this time.

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Tanthrix:

Then check where it says "CCI: 0x00" "APS: 0x00" etc..

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juski:

ok looks like the final video is gonna weigh in at just over 2 minutes :)

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nero:

has anyone here played around with linuxMCE?

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nero:

(it uses myth for TV correct?)

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jams:

nero thats correct

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juski:

nero: it's early days for linuxmce yet. looks like it's trying to be all things to all men, which ain't necessarily a good thing IMHO

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the_faulkenator:

Can any one recommend a motherboard with decent onboard TV-out support that has been tested with mythtv?

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: http://novae-res.org/firewire/interfacestatus.jpg

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jams:

but no I have not tried it

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: That's what my interface status page looks like. (Sorry for the scan line, I'm hooked up to an old CRT right now)

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jams:

nero, I don't have paypal account but feel free to send a valid check =)

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Tanthrix:

So, it seems Comcast Portland is breaking the FCC guidelines.

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SlicerDicer-:

perhaps

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Tanthrix:

Woops, I named that image wrong.

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nero:

juski, yeah.. I was watching the video, and it looked interesting, but the interface didnt seem that "sitting on the couch and watching TV" friendly.

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nero:

jams, ;)

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juski:

nero: way too crowded interface to have much WAF IMHO

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nero:

I was wondering if it is better when not using one of those gyro mice.

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nero:

juski, my concern precisely..

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Refresh. You'll see the interface pic now. This is my current channel: http://novae-res.org/firewire/currentchannel.jpg

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nero:

(WAF that is)

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juski:

ooo look I can fill the screen with menu after menu after menu!

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jams:

nero I think that withough that mouse the interface would be awful

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juski:

someone must like the Windows Start menu :)

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jams:

have yet to try it though

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nero:

jams, probably.. but the mouse interface didn't look all that nice either.

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juski:

it's only Plutohome fer chrisesakes

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juski:

don't wet your pants about it ;)

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jams:

I do like the video selection interface

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-,kormoc: I almost think this must be a mistake, since they are encrypted NBC and PBS, but not any of the other HD channels including DiscoveryHD, INHD, UHD, etc..

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juski:

I don't like the rotating cubic bollocks

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nero:

juski, no pant wetting here :p

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jams:

anyway off to prepare for the freaking snowstorm

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: I would give SVN a shot see what happens

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** juski considers dusting off his voiceover skills **

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the_faulkenator:

Or is it possible to just use the S-video out on a Hauppauge PVR-350 as a display?

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juski:

the_faulkenator: I wouldn't recommend you do that

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Oh, I plan to. But this isn't a myth problem. I can't tune to PBS or NBC in windows either.

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: just use the AMD link ;-) should clarify everything

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Is the myth protocol different between 0.20 and the SVN right now? (IE, will I have to or should I recompile my front end box as well?)

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah you will need to recompile the frontend

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the_faulkenator:

juski, any recommendations for a cheap video card?

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SlicerDicer-:

dont feel bad I have to do 5 computers Tanthrix everytime I upgrade SVN including a G5 Mac :)

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Yah, I think you got it worse than me. ;)

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juski:

the_faulkenator: nvidia fx5200 should see you right for most stuff

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Am I correct in assuming that the HD-3000 / HD-5500 cards will NOT be able to view DiscoveryHD, INHD, etc... even though they are not currently encrypted?

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: I am not sure I havent played with them

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the_faulkenator:

juski, thanks man

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Zider:

juski: I didn't know MythTV was a "feature" ;)

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jimbalaya:

still talking about the ATI thing?

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juski:

Zider: it isn't .. in more than one way ;)

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Zider:

hehe

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juski:

hey some people might only want to use linux for mythtv anyway, so I'd see it as a kind of feature

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Zider:

can anyone access www.asus.com btw?

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SlicerDicer-:

lol juski

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Tanthrix:

Zider: Down for me.

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Zider:

damn

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Tanthrix:

com.tw is also down.

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Tanthrix:

They must be hosted on the same server.

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Zider:

it's the same IP at least

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Tanthrix:

http://support.asus.com/ is up

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Zider:

guess it's the server that is down then

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Zider:

oh?

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Zider:

nice

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nero:

argh.. I cant for the life of me get streaming to this frontend working.

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Zider:

I think that's where I need to go anyway

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Tanthrix:

Zider: Always try the back entrance.

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Zider:

well I didn't know there were separate hosts :P

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nero:

I keep getting "Prebuffer wait timed out" errors

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Tanthrix:

They often are for whataver reason.

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Tanthrix:

Good trick for finding stuff when it's 3am in the morning, everything is going wrong, and the one fucking site you need just happens to be down

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Zider:

probably so you can get support even when main server ios down

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Now the question is this: If I complain about NBC / PBS being encrypted will they add encryption to everything else out of spite while they fix the problem? ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

I have no idea Tanthrix what comcast will do :) they are comcast hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

I would seriously consider running SVN though

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Tanthrix:

It's definately on my list of things to do, but I'm going to wait until I get an HD set.

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Tanthrix:

(In the process of returning mine right now to Best Buy, the bastards)

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nero:

for a master backend, what should my "hostname" be? Is the machine's IP address OK?

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nero:

Tanthrix, which HD set are you returning?

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Tanthrix:

Tried to pin a 25 percent restocking fee on me because they said it was a special order item, even though before I purchased I looked up the special order item page and this TV was not that item.

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Tanthrix:

Spent 1.5 hours arguing with someone in India about it to no avail.

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Tanthrix:

So today called back and told them it was defective due to HDCP issues (partially true) so they're going to take it back.

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Tanthrix:

nero: Westinghouse 37 inch 1080P – LVM37-W3

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Tanthrix:

Er, LVM-37W3.

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nero:

ahhhh.. yup.. the westy//

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Tanthrix:

Not a bad set, I could live with it, but I want something better.

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nero:

humm.. just noticed something- in my mythcoverg database, in "recordings" all of my recordings have a hostname of "localhost.localdomain"

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juski:

yeah

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nero:

where is it getting this? Might this be causing my problems with streaming?

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juski:

and your frontend's called localhost too I bet ;)

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Tanthrix:

It was definately not an 8ms set for one. I did a ghosting test on it and compared it to my 8ms HP monitor and there was no contest.

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nero:

juski- where can I change this?

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nero:

can I just use IP addresses?

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juski:

shocking info time.. if you're gonna bother to have hostnames on a network it'd make sense to have em all unique!

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juski:

nero: no

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nero:

juski, I never set up hostnames :/

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juski:

set a hostname on the frontend

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juski:

no big deal

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nero:

where?

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juski:

if you change the hostname on the backend without being careful you will totally break mythtv

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juski:

nero: see a howto for your distro

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Tanthrix:

I'm thinking about getting a Sharp Aquos if I can afford it. Costco had the 37 for 1600 I think.

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Tanthrix:

Good place to buy from too. They don't jerk you around for returns and they extend the manufacturer's warranty to 2 years for all electronic items.

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Tanthrix:

Impossible to find a good set without testing it yourself, unfortunately. They're always in bad lighting at the store, playing an overly compressed retail loop, and completely uncalibrated.

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nero:

ok.. this is strange- both machines have different hostnames.

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Tanthrix:

Crazy – they have the 42inch for 1499 on Costco.com

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Tanthrix:

nero: Why bother with host names? Just another thing to go wrong.

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GreyFoxx:

how could it go wrong?

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GreyFoxx:

And myth keys config info on the hostname

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kormoc:

cause localhost.localdomain on mark-desktop isn't resolvable?

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nero:

kormoc- probably the case..

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nero:

ergh.. damn the distro defaults.

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GreyFoxx:

so multiple machines with the same hostname get the same configuration as the database things they are the same machine

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Tanthrix:

Well, unless your hard binding hostnames to IP addresses, whatever it is that assigns the hostname to IP could not function properly.

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kormoc:

nero, first of all, rename localhost to something else, second, add entrys in /etc/hosts so they can resolve each other

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nero:

kormoc, the localhost machine is my backend- wont that break a bunch of stuff?

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GreyFoxx:

Tanthrix: You can specify a hostname and it doesn;t have to be overwritten by dhcp

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, or you use proper DNS so that they update on DHCP leases

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GreyFoxx:

And frankly, a "server" shouldn't be using a dynamic ip anyway

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kormoc:

nero, yeah... but you can fix it. Localhost.localdomain should always resolve to 127.0.0.1 or the loopback anyway

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nero:

gotcha..

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Tanthrix:

I was speaking more in general about home networks and such. But you both are right.

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nero:

what do I need to do to fix my backend after I make this change?

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Tanthrix:

(Part of this stems from my hatred of Window's master browser system)

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Tanthrix:

Totally different and unrelated, but because of it I've learned out of habit to specify IPs over hostnames for everything.

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kormoc:

nero, worse comes to worse, re-run mythtv-setup and verify the general settings

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kormoc:

nero, although, if you followed directions, you put in ip addresses in there rather then hostnames anyway

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nero:

kormoc, yes, in the setup I did.

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Ediehow:

anyone use nvidia card and have problems with xvmc and myth?

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kormoc:

nero, then nothing should actually break :P

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nero:

but, it appears that in all my recordings, they are tagged as localhost.localdomain..

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nero:

do I need to update that table as well?

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kormoc:

hrm

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Tanthrix:

Ediehow: Yes.

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kormoc:

yeah

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juski:

yeah but all the settings are stored on a per-hostname basis

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kormoc:

juski, MBE settings?

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kormoc:

ooh, right

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Ediehow:

i turned it off in mine, because it seemed that might be the problem

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** kormoc is too distracted to think right **

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GreyFoxx:

some are global (NULL hostname) some are host specific

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Ediehow:

but of course, it seems xvmc would be preferred over libmpeg

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Tanthrix:

Ediehow: For me it compiles correctly, runs, but doesn't give me any CPU improvement. Actually makes things worse. Kormoc informs me that via chipsets sometimes cause problems with it.

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nero:

ok, so I'm in for a world of hurt here huh?

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juski:

nero: for simplicity's sakes, just change your frontend(s) hostname(s)

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nero:

juski- my front end was never localhost.localdomain.. it was always "mark-desktop"

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juski:

but there;s a wiki entry on how to change the backend's hostname

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kormoc:

juski, but uhh, his backend is what's named 'localhost.localdomain'

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kormoc:

juski, and having that on the frontends resolve to not a 127.0.0.1 is a bad idea...

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juski:

don't look at me & expect me to know owt about networking

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juski:

I know about hostname tables & a little about dhcp & thats it

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juski:

maybe subnets a little too – not a stitch of info about diff. IP address classes & all that bollocks. no need to know, so don't know ;)

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antiPosix:

I've been using MythTV without a blaster and only with channels 1–99, now I have a blaster and would like for it to change my cable box. I tested the irsend command and it works. In my mythtv-setup I have a blank spot for "external channel change command". Isnt there a generic script that comes with mythtv somewhere?

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juski:

antiPosix: I think there's an example in /contrib

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kormoc:

juski, well, consider this, when X starts up, it connects to the local X server at localhost, if localhost points to machine Y, X will get *very* confused...

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nero:

juski- you said there is a wiki entry on changing the backend's hostname? At mythtv.org/wiki?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc I am curious.. I am trying to find the inuse recorders in mythconverg.. I am looking in the 'inuseprograms' but it does not register anything unless I am running frontend watching then it shows 'recorder' 'viewing' both on both tuners but as soon as I close the frontend live it poofs both

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antiPosix:

I installed mythtv using the Ubuntu wiki, any idea where contrib is?

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juski:

antiPosix: if in doubt browse over to svn.mythtv.org

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc did I explain that terrible haha

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antiPosix:

juski: good idea

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antiPosix:

svn is too complex, I'm just downloading the tar and taking a peak

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: do you perhaps know?

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russellb:

svn is too complex? You get the source in 1 command instead of 2 :)

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juski:

SlicerDicer-: nope

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SlicerDicer-:

I am trying to locate where it is set that its recording from a tuner heh

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh juski I found it

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juski:

well, bedtime for me.

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juski:

g'night

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nero:

well, that didn't do the trick..

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Is there a firewire port for each tuner? In theory, can you use both tuners at once?

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Rather, is that the reason there is 2 ports.

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SlicerDicer-:

I am not aware of a way to use each tuner

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: the way I used both ports was daisychain

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SlicerDicer-:

you can plug MythBox <-- Tuner <-- Tuner <-- Tuner <-- Tuner etc

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: What exactly do you mean by daisy chaining? (I know you mean connecting one box to another, but to what end?0

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Tanthrix:

end?)*

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SlicerDicer-:

link tuners to tuners then to Mythbox the end result only needing 1 firewire port :)

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Tanthrix:

Ahh, I see. So the end result is the ability to use both tuners at the same time.

[01:50:00]

Tanthrix:

A rather combersome way, but if it works, it works. ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

nah firewire is fully capable of daisychain

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SlicerDicer-:

tis actually quite nice

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SlicerDicer-:

I had 3 tuners daisy chained when I had Comcast

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Tanthrix:

I just mean that it's kind of a waste of money, assuming they charge you per box like around here.

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Tanthrix:

And annoying, since each box contains 2 tuners already.

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SlicerDicer-:

well I had single tuner boxes :)

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SlicerDicer-:

DCT6200

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Tanthrix:

Ohhh, ok.

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Tanthrix:

Which box do you have nowadays?

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SlicerDicer-:

I am forced to have the 6116 or whatever that latest 2 tuner dvr is

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Tanthrix:

More buggy than your last setup?

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Tanthrix:

(And on an unrelated side note to all concerned parties: David Attenborough owns Sigororny Weaver's narration of "Planet Earth")

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SlicerDicer-:

nah its not more buggy

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TSCHAK:

is there any way I can get log info for a transcode operation that has errored out?

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SlicerDicer-:

Its actually quite a bit less buggy as I figured out the problems I was having

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TSCHAK:

I get an exit code 255 when I try to transcode a recording.

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SlicerDicer-:

anyway the only problem I have is 5C splattered randomly all over channels

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Good to hear. Why did you say "forced" as in against your will then?

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SlicerDicer-:

cause I cant get the DCT6200

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SlicerDicer-:

I am forced to get the DVR only

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SlicerDicer-:

kinda pisses me off

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Tanthrix:

Why though? Because it's more money?

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

costs quite a bit more

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Tanthrix:

11.95 here per box, I think.

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SlicerDicer-:

and they are extremely hot so they FANS make noise... harddrives sound like shit

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Tanthrix:

Certainly adds up.

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SlicerDicer-:

they are click-o-death near

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SlicerDicer-:

I shove the boxes in a confined space without regard cause they are so loud

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Tanthrix:

Tell me about it! The room mine is in is a few degrees warmer now on average.

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SlicerDicer-:

give me the hardware or I want or I shove in confined space

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

So do you actually do coding for the firewire aspects of mythtv?

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SlicerDicer-:

no

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Tanthrix:

Oh, I thought you mentioned that you did.

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SlicerDicer-:

I stuck a meat thermometer in the confined space

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SlicerDicer-:

in a moment I will tell you how hot it is LOL

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

no air circulation FTW

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** SlicerDicer- is that mad **

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Tanthrix:

I've got a nice Fluke meter with a temperature probe. Beats having to get out the meat thermometer ;-)

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Tanthrix:

I'd like to get a Fluke IR temperature meter though.

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SlicerDicer-:

its at 125 right now lol

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Tanthrix:

No reason to have one – they're just cool.

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Tanthrix:

I believe it – that box is insane.

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh ok

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh wait they are not connected up to a TV

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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Tanthrix:

Mines at 109F right now, which isn't bad.

[02:04:02]

Tanthrix:

Well, that's a problem.

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Tanthrix:

Have you ever taken the drive out and popped it into one of your systems?

[02:04:36]

Tanthrix:

I'd be curious to know if its possible to access the recordings.

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Tanthrix:

Probably some proprietary file system and media container though, but you nefer know.

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm no overheat

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SlicerDicer-:

128 is the max its hit

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SlicerDicer-:

apparently they like confined spaces!

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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TSCHAK:

2007-04–10 22:07:39.420 No video information found!

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TSCHAK:

2007-04–10 22:07:39.420 Please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set

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TSCHAK:

<-- how do i fix this?

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nero:

should an athlon XP 2600+ and a GF 6800GT video card be enough horsepower to display SD content scaled to a 1360x768 screen?

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Zider:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

sure nero

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Tanthrix:

nero: Way, way more than enough.

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nero:

ok.. then it isnt the processor..

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SlicerDicer-:

I run 1080i on a 1.4ghz with mx440

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nero:

I am just pulling my hair out here..

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Tanthrix:

nero: I have an Xp 2600+ with a Geforce4 Ti4600 and do 1080i without XvMC.

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Tanthrix:

nero: What's the prob?

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nero:

anything run through the mythbackend is choppy, and is throwing prebuffering errors..

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nero:

yet I can play a 1080i avi via mplayer from the same server no problem.

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nero:

the backend throws no errors.

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Tanthrix:

So you mean that anything you play with myth's internal player is choppy but when you play the same recordings via mplayer it works fine?

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nero:

humm.. havent tried playing the same recordings via mplayer.. I should give that a shot..

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nero:

lemme try that quick.

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Tanthrix:

nero: What kind of card do you have?

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nero:

video card?

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Tanthrix:

tuner card

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nero:

oh, a PVR-250

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Tanthrix:

Try playing direct from the card as well: ie "mplayer /dev/video0" or whatever it is for you

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Tanthrix:

But the best test is to play a recording via mplayer that is choppy when played via mythfrontend.

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nero:

Tanthrix, well, I cant do an mplayer /dev/video0, as this is a remote frontend..

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nero:

but yes- everything played through mplayer is smooth.

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nero:

its only stuff that is played via the myth frontend.

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Tanthrix:

And your setup is a frontend/backend on one machine and a front end on another?

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nero:

exactly..

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nero:

and everything plays just fine on the frontend/backend machine

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Tanthrix:

While using mythfrontend?

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Tanthrix:

(To play the recordings that is)

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nero:

but if I try it on the remote frontend (the Athlon XP, hooked up to a 720p LCD) I get choppiness.

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kormoc:

antiPosix, in the channel editor, you can adjust the freq

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kormoc:

nero, network?

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Tanthrix:

nero: And if you mount the recording directory on the front end machine with samba/NFS, then use mplayer, it also plays fine via mplayer?

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nero:

kormoc- 100b ethernet

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nero:

Tanthrix, yup.

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kormoc:

nero, run the frontend from a terminal window. you'll get output from it and can see what it thinks it might be doing

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Tanthrix:

nero: Well, something wrong with the network was my first guess, but mplayer working fine seems to rule that out.

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Tanthrix:

nero: By any chance have you tried to enable aggressive buffering on the playback settings page?

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nero:

ok, pastebinning

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Tanthrix:

nero: I get the feeling that some soundcard setups can cause myth to misbehave. Note to devs: Assuming my previous statement is not full of shit, it would be nice to have a "disable audio' function for ruling these kinds of problems out

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Tanthrix:

Anyone know what language myth is written in?

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nero:

http://pastebin.ca/433909

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, c++

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nero:

Tanthrix, I might- let me check my settings.

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nero:

(aggressive buffering that is)

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Tanthrix:

Hey, I'm learning C++ at PSU right now. At the rate we're going in 20–30 years I might be able to contribute something to myth ;)

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, heh, what year and which campus?

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antiPosix:

if I change my zap2it lineup

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antiPosix:

how does mythtv know about it

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I'm actually just on data structures right now (3rd class, first being Intro to CS I and II) Probably going to minor in CS just for the hell of it.

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antiPosix:

I am running mythfilldatabase at the moment

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nero:

Tanthrix, I have "extra audio buffering".. where would the "aggressive buffering" setting be?

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antiPosix:

do I need to rerun mythtv-setup

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Tanthrix:

nero: Er, whatever it's called. I just know it's on the same page as the deinterlacing settings.

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nero:

ahhh.. I found "aggressive soundcard buffering" and that is not set.

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Tanthrix:

nero: Fixed the choppy problems for me, where as the other setting on the sound page did not.

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I'd probably major in CS if it weren't for the math / physics requirements. Calculus owns me.

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kormoc:

heh, you're likely too new to the program to know anyone I know in it :P

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Tanthrix:

I'm sure that's the case.

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nero:

ahhh.. I think I fixed it..

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Tanthrix:

I've been enjoying it so far very much, even though we haven't done anything big.

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nero:

somehow "enable realtime priority threads" was enabled..

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nero:

(or, nero was a bonehead and went checkbox crazy)

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Tanthrix:

nero: I suggested you go to that page, so I get credit! ;)

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nero:

that you did! :)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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nero:

thanks! :)

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nero:

I was thinking too deep.. ;) just had to look on the surface.

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Tanthrix:

Shouldn't checking that make things better though? I run in real time on mine.

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nero:

only if the frontend has root privs..

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, depends on the computer's load and power, sometimes RT is just too much

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nero:

it said "if your playback is freezing, uncheck this"

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nero:

so, I unchecked it. ;)

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Interesting. I guess that makes sense.

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I wonder if that was causing some of my intermittent problems doing 1080i....

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nero:

ugh..

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nero:

nope.. just started freezing up again

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Tanthrix:

Lame.

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Tanthrix:

Have you tried doing XvMC just for the hell of it?

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nero:

not yet.. I compiled without support, and am getting tired tonight, so I'll give that a try tomorrow.

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Tanthrix:

Might as well.

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Tanthrix:

And, I presume you've tried libmpeg instead of standard?

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Tanthrix:

Well, I never...

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Tanthrix:

Without even a goodbye! ;)

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antiPosix:

I used to use my ivtv tuner to get channels, now I have a cable box. How do I tell mythtv that I have more than 99 channels

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antiPosix:

everything is fine, only my lineup is what mythtv-setup scanned for way-back-when

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Tanthrix:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-channels or something

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Tanthrix:

do mythfilldatabase --help

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antiPosix:

nice, thanks

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Tanthrix:

I just added a new line up and I had to run that, otherwise it said I had zero channels.

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Tanthrix:

Gotta add the proper lineup to your zap2it labs account first though and all that.

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bzaks:

the database won't open when I try to install mythtv

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antiPosix:

I did fix the zap2it lab account

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bzaks:

it says the password is wrong

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bzaks:

but when I test it using the information in mysql.txt

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bzaks:

it's fine

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Tanthrix:

Did you set the proper password in mythtv-setup?

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bzaks:

apparently not. Is there a way I can reset all that?

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Tanthrix:

Well, if you run mythtv-setup the general config you can just change the password to whatever it actually is

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bzaks:

but I don't get a prompt to

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hadees:

how do you figure out the modelines for a hdtv?

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Tanthrix:

bzaks: Not sure what to tell you.

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bzaks:

omg

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bzaks:

nevermind

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bzaks:

I'm an idiot

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bzaks:

I fixed it :)

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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Tanthrix:

The problem is always between the keyboard and the chair. ;)

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Tanthrix:

hadees: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl can help sometimes.

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Tanthrix:

hadees: I presume you've tried looking up your TV to see if anyone else has figured it out already?

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hadees:

Tanthrix, yeah

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Tanthrix:

hadees: What's the native resolution of your set?

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hadees:

the tv is olivia 537h if anyone happens to have one

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hadees:

Tanthrix, 1360x768 @60Hz, here are some other values 30~85 KHz(H) / 50~80Hz(V)

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Tanthrix:

If I were you I'd go check the modeline page and find some sets with similar specs and see if you can get them working.

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Tanthrix:

similar sets*

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Tanthrix:

Other DFPs that are of the same resolution and such.

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hadees:

Tanthrix, isn't there a risk of damaging the tv if i am wrong though

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hadees:

on that page you gave me where do you put the @60Hz value

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Tanthrix:

From what I understand the risk is nearly 0. I haven't heard of someone killing a set from bad settings. Most (if not all) new sets should just refuse to work if they are given information outside their bounds.

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Tanthrix:

That goes in the vertical

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Tanthrix:

THe "Refresh Rate" box

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hadees:

I thought 85 was the virtual refresh rate

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Tanthrix:

In any case, despite how paranoid I usually am about things, I would not be concerned with trying out different modelines.

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Tanthrix:

The H stands for horizontal

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Tanthrix:

The V stands for vertical

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hadees:

exactly so why is the @60Hz the refresh rate

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clever:

some of my older moniters will show a badly scrambled image on unsupported res's

[02:52:41]

clever:

but ive yet t damage any of them

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Tanthrix:

I think it's impossible, myself.

[02:52:53]

Tanthrix:

Never, ever heard of it happening.

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clever:

newer moniters shut off after 3 sec of invalid signal

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Tanthrix:

Just the warning.

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Tanthrix:

hadees: 60hz is the vertical rate. So, basically your monitor supports rates between 50–80.

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Tanthrix:

hadees: 80 is probably only for lower resolutions, so 60 is what it should run at.

[02:54:09]

Tanthrix:

hadees: So you can just put 60–60 for the vertical then.

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Tanthrix:

hadees: But keep in mind that this modeline you are creating is in no way set to this TV. You would probably be better off finding another 1366x768 set with the same specs as yours and using its modeline.

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Tanthrix:

clever: I actually got my Westinghouse LVM-37W3 to display some garbledness. Also got it to say "Invalid Mode"

[02:55:41]

Tanthrix:

clever: So it seems that it is possible. Always trippy to see ;)

[02:55:47]

clever:

yeah newer ones can detect invalid modes

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clever:

one of mine even shows the current freq's

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clever:

right now its winblows thru a kvm

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clever:

showing 53.6khz H

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clever:

and 59.9hz v

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Tanthrix:

for a CRT?

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clever:

yeah crt

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clever:

its arround 48khz when in linux thru the same kvm

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clever:

if i get the same freq on both

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Tanthrix:

A friend of mine goes crazy with 60hz crts.

[02:57:42]

Tanthrix:

Never bothered me much.

[02:57:43]

clever:

the crt probly wont lose the signal every time i change pc

[02:57:47]

Tanthrix:

Lot of people can't stand it though.

[02:57:52]

clever:

and it may switch between pc's faster

[02:57:56]

Tanthrix:

And man, nvidia-settings is getting spiffier and spiffier.

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Tanthrix:

I haven't looked at the new version since I recently updated.

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clever:

when im in linux the OSD of the moniter shws 1024x768 48.3khz 59.9hz

[02:59:05]

clever:

under windows i see a diff freq and it isnt showing res

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hadees:

I got it from the mythtv wiki, it is for another TV from Olevia

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Tanthrix:

hadees: I have no idea. Modelines are mysterious things to me. (And to most people)

[02:59:35]

hadees:

damn i thought you knew what they ment =)

[02:59:41]

Tanthrix:

The brand isn't important, it's the resolution and refresh rates that matter the most.

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clever:

WHOA

[03:01:12]

clever:

turned the res on winblows down a notch so it matched linux

[03:01:21]

clever:

now the moniter handles the kvm switching alot better

[03:01:31]

Tanthrix:

hadees: Unfortunately you have a 1366x768 screen which is notoriously hard to get working due to EDID problems.

[03:01:35]

clever:

allmost instant half the time

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Tanthrix:

clever: Makes sense – doesn't have to change resolutions.

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

but the 2 signals arent synced

[03:02:12]

clever:

so 50% of the time it looses the signal when changing

[03:02:13]

Mixx:

Is there a reason why mythtv only uses the title and/or the description for duplicate analysis as opposed to options for the original air date and episode number?

[03:02:24]

hadees:

Tanthrix, where can i read about that problem?

[03:02:31]

clever:

and the image jumps for a min if its off sync some when changing

[03:02:55]

Tanthrix:

hadees: Well, the NVIDIA linux forums are full of people in the same predicment as you, so you might find some help there.

[03:03:32]

Tanthrix:

hadees: But essentially it is this: EDID, which is the thing that tells your computer what your monitor supports, only supports resolutions that are a multiple of 8. Because of this, 1366x768 cannot be reported.

[03:03:42]

clever:

but having the winblows down a notch in res makes it ugle and small

[03:03:47]

Tanthrix:

hadees: So you either have to force it, or use 720P, or another mode your TV does support.

[03:03:52]

clever:

alot less screen room

[03:04:07]

Tanthrix:

hadees: It sucks because then you aren't doing 1:1 pixel mapping any more. Your set has to scale the data, which some sets do very poorly.

[03:05:26]

Tanthrix:

clever: I know the feeling. I used to always run at 1280x1024, and now 1600x1200 that I have a 20 inch LCD, and I could never go back.

[03:05:38]

Tanthrix:

clever: Someday I'll get my 30 inch 1920x1080 screen ;)

[03:05:46]

clever:

just turning the res up n the same screen gives alot more room

[03:05:54]

clever:

need to find a way to turn the linux side up now

[03:06:06]

Tanthrix:

Just edit your xconf accordingly.

[03:06:07]

clever:

xrandr -q

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clever:

SZ: Pixels Physical Refresh

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clever:

*0 1024 x 768 ( 347mm x 260mm ) *60

[03:06:18]

clever:

its at the max res that the X server thinks it can handle

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clever:

and i have no idea what the cards real limits are

[03:06:38]

Tanthrix:

Probably because it's set that way in the xconf.

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hadees:

Tanthrix, this in the linux nvidia forum or the general one?

[03:06:47]

Tanthrix:

Unless you're using a really old card you shouldn't have any problems.

[03:06:53]

Tanthrix:

hadees: Linux.

[03:06:54]

clever:

nvidia card

[03:06:56]

clever:

with a tvout

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clever:

0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)

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Tanthrix:

clever: You're running TV-out composite over a KVM?

[03:07:24]

clever:

the tvout goes to the tv for mythtv

[03:07:32]

clever:

the vga port goes thru the kvm

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Tanthrix:

hadees: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . ght=1366x768

[03:08:17]

hadees:

thanks

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clever:

tv out is used as a bit of a kvm bypass

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Tanthrix:

clever: That makes more sense. But what's the problem then?

[03:08:39]

clever:

i can watch the linux on the tv without caring where the kvm is

[03:08:43]

Tanthrix:

clever: Your card can *definately* do way more than 1024x768.

[03:08:46]

clever:

need to increase the res on the vga port now

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Tanthrix:

clever: Pastebin your xconf file

[03:09:33]

clever:

i think its allready on one of my websites

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clever:

http://clever.mine.nu:82/paste/xorg.conf.2

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Tanthrix:

hadees: I'd recommend first off starting x by "startx --logverbose 6"

[03:10:14]

clever:

little old but no major changes since then

[03:10:33]

Tanthrix:

hadees: The resulting xorg log will show you the edid modes that your TV supports. You might be able to get 720p or 1080i working, and it might look good enough.

[03:11:11]

clever:

the second screen in that config is :0.1 and used for mythtv and tvut

[03:11:15]

clever:

its res doesnt matter

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Tanthrix:

clever: All you need to do is at "1280x1024" to your modes in front of "1024x768"

[03:12:03]

clever:

editing...

[03:12:23]

Tanthrix:

Might want to set your vertical refresh rate to 60hz though instead of the range you have there now.

[03:12:31]

Tanthrix:

Lot of CRTs won't do high resolutions above 60hz

[03:12:38]

Tanthrix:

And X might not pick the right one.

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clever:

its at 59.9hz right now

[03:12:45]

clever:

when in winblows

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clever:

at 1024x768

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Tanthrix:

That's probably 60 and your monitor is just reporting it wrong.

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clever:

VertRefresh 43.0 – 60.0

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clever:

that lets it go as far as 60 automaticaly

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Tanthrix:

That's pretty damn low.

[03:13:46]

Tanthrix:

Might as well just set it to 60. You don't want to run anything below that.

[03:13:57]

Tanthrix:

Unless you're really insensitive to the flashing

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clever:

reloading X to see the resylts

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Tanthrix:

Though, do you have some really old monitor or something?

[03:14:20]

clever:

wait need to close frntend fiirst

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clever:

dont know

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clever:

but it can handle higher

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** clever cranks it up in windws **

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hadees:

Tanthrix, thanks for the link it was very helpful, apparently you can set the resolution to the correct size you just need to use NoWidthAlignmentCheck to disable the divisible by 8 test

[03:14:47]

Tanthrix:

Oh, that's right.

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clever:

1152x...

[03:15:04]

clever:

1280

[03:15:16]

clever:

1400...

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clever:

1600...

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Tanthrix:

hadees: No prob. Sorry I don't know any specifics – just that sometimes you have to put all sorts of "NO*******" options in to get it working

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kormoc:

thank god you are telling us what alsome ultimate resolution you are getting line by line...

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Tanthrix:

lol

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hadees:

Tanthrix, well you have helped me get a good starting point

[03:16:35]

Tanthrix:

hadees: Glad to be of assistance.

[03:16:48]

clever:

1600x900 is the best i can get under windows

[03:16:55]

clever:

any higher and out of range comes up

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Tanthrix:

That's a weird resolution.

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clever:

and i had to change over to linux thru the kvm and vnc over to fix it

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, it's 16:9

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, perfectly common for widescreen displays

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Tanthrix:

clever: You have a 16:9 CRT?

[03:17:42]

clever:

but the moniter wont have a problem with s at "1280x1024" to

[03:17:45]

clever:

its a 4:3 crt

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clever:

but winblows lets me pick what seem to be 16:9 res's

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: He's running on an old CRT, so unlikely to be widescreen

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kormoc:

certain crts (sony's pro line used to do it) would letterbox 16:9 reses

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clever:

but it cant be that old if it handles 1600

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clever:

55.9khz H freq

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clever:

59.9hz V

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kormoc:

which is why windows will allow you to set them, even tho the monitor might not be able to display it correctly

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clever:

my TV has an option to letterbox the input at the push of a button

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kormoc:

my monitor back in 98 supported 1600x1200, and that's only 9 years ago

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clever:

so if i scale the image to the tvout acting like its 16:9

[03:19:30]

clever:

i can make the widescreen video play right

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: You're lucky then. I've only come across a few CRTs that can do that high, even recently.

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: On a side note, any idea why I would be having weird interlacing issues on my composite TV out? On fast movement the lines pull apart – very tripper.

[03:21:11]

Tanthrix:

trippy*

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, heh, I had one of the Sony Pro lines, which is why I know they can support 16:9 letterboxing :P

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clever:

my tvout handles the interlaced recordings just fine

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, hrm... are you de-interlacing at all?

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clever:

they look worse when playing on what seems to be a progressive laptop lcd

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: No, and I didn't used to.

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kormoc:

clever, great to know...

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, hrm... nvidia?

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clever:

i think my tvout is interlacing the same as it was recorded

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Aye. Recently I setup a HD set over DVI, but I took it down and I believe I reverted to everything the way it was before.

[03:22:32]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Old xconf file, different nvidia driver maybe. Everything else the same.

[03:22:43]

Tanthrix:

(I think I upgraded to the most recent driver)

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, huh... nvidia has a nice comb-filter that typically makes that ultra pretty... might want to try reverting the driver and see if it fixes it or not

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Tanthrix:

I think I'll just enable deinterlacing in myth for the time being.

[03:23:22]

clever:

updated xorg.conf logged ut and ctrl+alt+backspaced

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clever:

once it logs back in i'll check on the res

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clever:

*0 1024 x 768 ( 347mm x 260mm ) *60

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clever:

odd

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clever:

Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"

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clever:

xorg.cnf shows 4 modes but xrandr still only shows 3

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Tanthrix:

Weird.

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Tanthrix:

Well, I must be off. Later all.

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clever:

also i didnt edit the mode lines for the tvout device because that works fine

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tha_toadman:

can someone tell my why when i copied over a .htaccess and .htpasswd file to my backend, i'm getting a permission issue with mythweb? it's forbidden to access it now in a browser

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antiPosix:

I deleted all the rows from mythconverg->channels... how do I get them back, I thought mythfilldatabase would get them back

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antiPosix:

nevermind, it worked

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clever:

was able to go into kde moniter options

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clever:

and tell it my exact moniter model

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clever:

now it knows every res it can handle

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clever:

kvm i think is messing up the autodetect stuff

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clever:

yeah now they match again and i have tons of room

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antiPosix:

any trick to force my ivtv(PVR-150) to tune to channel 3 from the command line

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antiPosix:

outside of mythtv

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tha_toadman:

is it documented that .htaccess-dist needs to be renamed – cuz i just did that an problem solved – deleted my other copy of that file

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xris:

kormoc|afk: there, fixed the "no dupes" thing on the upcoming recordings page

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jimbalaya:

antiPosix: can you go into mythtv-setup and set the start channel to 3?

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BSD_Tech:

installing mythdora now

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Captain_Murdoch:

xris, did you compile ffmpeg yourself to get that flash stuff working in MythWeb? I can't seem to get ffmpeg to put audio in the file. I did compile ffmpeg with libmp3lame enabled as I found one website mention.

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antiPosix:

i have a blaster working now for mythtv, namely for my settopbox. It is bright enough to reach other items in my entertainment cabinets

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antiPosix:

how can I tell lirc/mythtv to power off my tv when I press the power button

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: nope. standard package from livna

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antiPosix:

"irsend SEND_ONCE sanyo-tv01 POWER" will shut my TV off

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antiPosix:

how can I get that to be invoked within mythtv

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Captain_Murdoch:

xris: FC? my webserver is currently 5.

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xris:

same

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, thanks.

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antiPosix:

will mythtv catch an irexec?

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antiPosix:

say I have tv-power programmed in lircd.conf

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antiPosix:

if I have a irexec inside my lircrc, will it be executed?

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BSD_Tech:

man mythdora takes forever to install

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Tanthrix:

antiPosix: Can't you modify the myth power script that's been floating around to trigger your TV as well?

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BSD_Tech:

anyone here use mythdora ?

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Tanthrix:

Woot.com has the Westinghouse LVM-42W2 1080P TV for 1049 plus 5 shipping right now.

[05:33:22]

Tanthrix:

Refurbished.

[05:33:32]

Tanthrix:

In case anyone is interested – not a bad deal at all.

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BSD_Tech:

ok setting up myth need input

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xris:

BSD_Tech: ask a question, get an answer

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BSD_Tech:

sorry going threw the setup think I got it

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Tanthrix:

xris: More like ask a question then do a voodoo dance to get someone to reply ;)

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xris:

Tanthrix: depends on the question and whether or not people are awake / paying attention.

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, true enough.

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BSD_Tech:

how do I tell it to use the video out on the motherboard to display on tv

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BSD_Tech:

and is anyone running mythdora that has updated the kernel

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xris:

BSD_Tech: depends on the kind of video-out you're talking about

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BSD_Tech:

I have vga/s-video/compisit

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xris:

BSD_Tech: and what kind of video chipset?

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BSD_Tech:

via onboard

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BSD_Tech:

I am using a mini-itx motherboard

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BSD_Tech:

it seems to run well

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BSD_Tech:

but the remote is not working

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BSD_Tech:

grr

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xris:

getting things to display on the tv will depend on which port you're talking about using, and then finding the xorg.conf params for your video driver...

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xris:

I don't know anything about the via stuff, sorry.

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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BSD_Tech:

what do I have to do to enable dvd ripping

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xris:

BSD_Tech: install mythdvd?

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xris:

sorry, dunno what comes with mythdora

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defaultro:

hey folks, what can you say about about linuxmce? It's just today that I saw it at youtube.

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BSD_Tech:

I think its installed with mythdora

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BSD_Tech:

it has the plugins installed

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BSD_Tech:

I have mythweather working

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adante:

defaultro: it looks like a flaming piece of doggy doo :]

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defaultro:

adante, what?

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defaultro:

sorry, I don't understand you

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defaultro:

hi xris, how is your mythweb?

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xris:

defaultro: my personal one, or mythweb in general? :)

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defaultro:

I read somewhere that it will rock on .21. When is .21 going to be out

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defaultro:

the mythweb you wrote

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defaultro:

i can't wait to see it, do you have screenshots

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xris:

.21 should be nice.. no release date.

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adante:

defaultro: my thoughts about linuxmce are, it is a flaming piece of crap

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defaultro:

oh

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xris:

not sure I've made screenshots yet or not. it's not really ready for that sort of thing yet

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defaultro:

it's because, I saw a video and it looks nice

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defaultro:

that's for adante

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defaultro:

k xris

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defaultro:

adante, tell me more so I won't waste my time downloading/installing it

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adante:

defaultro: hm, well i looked at it a few weeks ago so this info may be out of date but.. the ui looks like something the soviets would have developed, and the video struck me as a thinly veiled windowsmce bashing attempt

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

gotcha

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adante:

from the forums i've read, i have not seen a single person who has been able to enjoy the out-of-the-box-fully-working-holy-joy that they show in the video

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

especially the home automation features of it

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defaultro:

the video demo on their site just mentions that it can control lights but I don't remember hearing them saying that you have to buy a device to control it

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adante:

i think it uses x10 automajigamagic but, i have no interest in that and am by no means an expert

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adante:

whatever the case, i was singularly unimpressed by it and think the developers are retards :D

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BSD_Tech:

linuxmce ?

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defaultro:

yes

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BSD_Tech:

I was going to look at it for a full home system

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BSD_Tech:

but mult boxes

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BSD_Tech:

I like the fact mythtv has a sip/video phone built in

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BSD_Tech:

now I have to find a camera to work with it

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BSD_Tech:

and get my usb dongle to work

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directhex|work:

linux mce is a pluto distribution. pluto's partially myth-based. most of the non-live-tv functionality is done by pluto's software though

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BSD_Tech:

yeah but the home securty and other features look nice

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BSD_Tech:

but I dont had a high speed system for them

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directhex|work:

it requires controller hardware. x10 stuff, as suggested

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directhex|work:

which is, as it happens, what pluto sell

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BSD_Tech:

so for now I will stick with mythdora

[07:09:42]

BSD_Tech:

I have the linux x10 software

[07:09:54]

BSD_Tech:

but they might have a newer version

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BSD_Tech:

btw does the callerid work with the sip setup ?

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directhex|work:

never tried.

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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BSD_Tech:

I just got myth installed tomarrow when the wireless kb ges here I will move the box to a s-video connection I hope to get it working with my tv

[07:12:06]

BSD_Tech:

then to figure out why the dvd rip is not working

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directhex|work:

the dvd ripping i haven't used. i have very personal preferences on that front, which myth doesn't allow for

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BSD_Tech:

and fix this damn lirc issue

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directhex|work:

lirc is nasty stuff. i'm throwing my lot in with evil non-lirc control mechanisms

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BSD_Tech:

well I can use the ewireless kbx

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BSD_Tech:

kbd when it gets here but I have a remote that came with my card

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juski:

sure lirc is a bitch. you just need to make it _your_ bitch ;)

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BSD_Tech:

its not finding it at boot

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directhex|work:

i wash my hands of lirc

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juski:

lirc almost beat me once. I was better than that

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BSD_Tech:

? the remote I have

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BSD_Tech:

technisat

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BSD_Tech:

tts35a1

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directhex|work:

an ir remote's an ir remote. you fight with lirc for a few hours until you sit in a corner and cry. then fight some more

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juski:

linux users don't give up!

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BSD_Tech:

i just have to get it to load then it should work

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directhex|work:

they just recompile things. for great justice!

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BSD_Tech:

well I need to update the kernel tomarrow

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directhex|work:

and then insert nasty hacks into rc.local or equivalent when they realise the problem is too much automagic

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BSD_Tech:

and so far mytdora is not bad

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juski:

BSD_Tech: you trying to use ready-made lirc modules?

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BSD_Tech:

its what came with mythdora

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juski:

ah ok

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juski:

well, if you're gonna update the kernel anyway, that prolly means you'll be compiling, and if you're gonna be able to do that it's no great shakes to build lirc yourself

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directhex|work:

i wish i could get reception somewhere other than the living room. i would rather not be using my backend as a frontend

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** juski has 2 tv aerials, one for mythbox upstairs & one for the downstairs tv **

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directhex|work:

it's rented accommodation. relatively near to an army base

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BSD_Tech:

module lirc_seriel not found

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BSD_Tech:

sorry tired

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juski:

lirc_serial not found? I'd have thought mythdora came with that at least

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BSD_Tech:

its should

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BSD_Tech:

but being a bsd user I have to learn linux layout and where modules are

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directhex|work:

you're using modprobe and not insmod, right?

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BSD_Tech:

not sure

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BSD_Tech:

just loaded for the first time tonight

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directhex|work:

oh, while i remember, is there a reason why the frontend gui would use up rather a lot of cpu time? live tv's fine, it's just the gui that does it

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BSD_Tech:

ye sit uses modprobe

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juski:

BSD_Tech: you shouldn't need to know where the modules live if you use modprobe – just do 'modprobe $modulename'

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BSD_Tech:

options lirc_serial irq-4 io=module not found

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BSD_Tech:

lirc_serial module not found

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juski:

you might find that once you get lirc_serial to load that it doesn't stay loaded or doesn't work – that'd probably be due to the kernel having the serial port already, but you can remedy that with the 'setserial' command

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juski:

BSD_Tech: try without the options first

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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juski:

also try doing it as root

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anykey_:

and look for errors in 'dmesg'

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directhex|work:

good lord, is this... user support in #mythtv-users?

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directhex|work:

support that's only tangentially related to mythtv?

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juski:

why so surprised?

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BSD_Tech:

modprobe lirc_serial module not found

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juski:

it's not all about wise-cracks, not even from me!

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directhex|work:

juski, lies!

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directhex|work:

BSD_Tech, try running "depmod -a"

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anykey_:

BSD_Tech: run find /lib/modules -name lirc_serial.ko

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** juski is very proud of the number of users he's helped out over the years **

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directhex|work:

BSD_Tech, if that doesn't make it work, you don't have the module

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directhex|work:

juski, "rtfm" is technically helpful, right? :p

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BSD_Tech:

they have it for the smp but not the non smp

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juski:

directhex|work: hey if a user shows a bit of nouse I'm all hands helping out. if they appear to be lazy bastards, on the other hand...

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BSD_Tech:

crap

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directhex|work:

boot an smp kernel

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directhex|work:

the overhead is minimal

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directhex|work:

or compile a module for the uniprocessor kernel. one or t'other

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BSD_Tech:

the box is not smp and it errors is i do

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anykey_:

You don't have much of a choice then..

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BSD_Tech:

that means getting the ser

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BSD_Tech:

I will deal with it in the morning

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BSD_Tech:

its 1 am bed tiimw

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directhex|work:

the easy solution is to buy a brand new computer with high-end dual-core processor. duh!

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BSD_Tech:

if I had the money I would

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BSD_Tech:

<== jobless for last 3 months

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BSD_Tech:

and living on set ammount each month

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BSD_Tech:

and I had this min-itx I figured would make a nice little myth box

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directhex|work:

i won one of those. ebayed it, didn't need it at the time

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BSD_Tech:

its my old pbx server

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directhex|work:

my Grand Plan(tm) involves using a mac mini as a front-end

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BSD_Tech:

jut get a appletv

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BSD_Tech:

lol

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directhex|work:

which has no serial ports, but built-in bluetooth. hence interest in the playstation 3's bluetooth remote

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juski:

or maybe, mythdora isn't the ideal distro. if its non-SMP version doesn't include lirc's serial module I hate to think what else is missing

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directhex|work:

appletv lacks a dvd burner

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BSD_Tech:

get a usb dvd burner

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directhex|work:

at which point i'm into the land of ugly

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juski:

what strikes me about appletv is that there's no reason to buy it if it won't/can't play HD

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BSD_Tech:

so far only 2 things not working the remote and the dvd ripping

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juski:

think outside the box – there's not necessarily a need to even have a DVD drive ;)

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directhex|work:

juski, the other half burns a lot of recordings. and one does not argue with the other half

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BSD_Tech:

for me there is . I want to move all my porn onto the drive and its on dvd

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juski:

directhex|work: ahh they must have their shiny things!

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directhex|work:

anyway, i find myself limited by myth-specific distributions

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directhex|work:

one thing bugs me though – i can't seem to get any daemon-monitoring daemon to keep mythbackend up & healthy

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juski:

there's one coming along nicely which will blow away all the others make no mistake

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BSD_Tech:

its fc5 with myth

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directhex|work:

restartd and monit both seem to fail it

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juski:

directhex|work: so find out what's making it stop :-P

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juski:

if more people spent time helping sort out debugging everybody would benefit.. says the hypocrite

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directhex|work:

juski, if you can suggest a useful way to debug it, i will do

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juski:

compile it with debugging enabled & run it under gdb of course :)

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directhex|work:

yeah, how about i just enable logging instead and see if that gives anything useful?

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juski:

that'd be a start at least

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directhex|work:

at least the frontend mostly stays up. as long as i don't use mythmusic much

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juski:

anyway, is it friday yet?

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gbee:

nah, you missed it – that was yesterday

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juski:

ah bum

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Neeesat25:

Hello to all, I hope you had happy easter all

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Neeesat25:

Is anyone use DVB-T in myth?

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sid3windr:

yup

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directhex|work:

lots of people

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juski:

loads & loads of people

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juski:

try asking a properly structured question :)

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jvs:

good day! :D

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juski:

good morning to you

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jvs:

heh, thanks juski

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tatters:

I running ubuntu feisty installed mythtv and all plugins with apt-get , when I go browser and feed section both are ban screens,do I need to configure anything?

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tatters:

ban=blank ^^^

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directhex|work:

have you tried configuring those plugins to see if changing anything affects their behavior?

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tatters:

I no idea how to configure them I assumed they would work out the box, only just getting to grips with linux as well which dont help

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tatters:

Should I be able to add feeds from the gui or do I have to configure manully first?

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directhex|work:

generally, look for settings things in the setup section of the front end

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directhex|work:

and if in doubt, press the "m" key for the context menu

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directhex|work:

all sorts of exciting things happen when you press m

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tatters:

ok dokey, thnx for tips I will go explore,,

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juski:

amazing. set the things up & they may work :)

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Neeesat25:

Is anyone using DVB-T PCI EXPRESS?

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directhex|work:

i'm not aware of any PCIe tuners that work yet. please met me know if that changes

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directhex|work:

iirc all of the bridge chips in use are undocumented

[11:05:36]

juski:

AFAIK there are no PCI-E tuner cards that will work in linux

[11:06:11]

directhex|work:

i wish there were. i have a spare PCIe slot i could use, but i can't use my spare PCI slot

[11:06:16]

juski:

to hear that from the horse's mouth try asking in #linuxtv, which is where ANY such query should be directed

[11:06:38]

juski:

or get off your ass & do some legwork yourself ;)

[11:07:29]

juski:

the only mailing list posts I found about dvb-t pci-e cards did not look very encouraging

[11:08:08]

Neeesat25:

Ok thanks I will go for a pci one

[11:08:15]

directhex|work:

i have a spare nova-t!

[11:08:24]

juski:

look at the linuxtv wiki before buying

[11:08:48]

juski:

AND search their mailing list archive

[11:09:10]

Neeesat25:

I know that NOVA-t and AIRSKY2 are ok

[11:09:35]

directhex|work:

the nova-t was hell back around 2.6.12. but it's been fine for ages

[11:10:09]

juski:

directhex|work: it was fine in 2.6.9 & beyond for a while

[11:10:39]

directhex|work:

juski, the old saa7146 nova-t, or the newer cx88 one?

[11:10:48]

juski:

ah cx88

[11:10:55]

janneg:

*sigh*, there will be a MythTV booth at LinuxTag 2007 in Berlin (30.5. – 2.6.)

[11:10:56]

Neeesat25:

Is not currently supported from the new kernels?

[11:11:09]

janneg:

and I'll organize it

[11:11:26]

juski:

janneg: cool :)

[11:11:46]

juski:

janneg: it's a tough job but somebody has to do this stuff

[11:12:10]

directhex|work:

juski, honestly, i've had good success with cx88. as long as one uses a vaguely modern kernel, or attacks bytesex.org for useful modules on old kernels

[11:12:13]

juski:

I have visions of me trailing my ass along to LRL this year despite announcing "no more expos for me!"

[11:12:19]

janneg:

juski: yeah. I have hoped that it wouldn't be me

[11:12:42]

juski:

janneg: currently working on a new promo video you can use :)

[11:14:19]

juski:

janneg: it might not be fruitful but I would suggest appealing for help with the booth – people can sometimes be brought out of the woodwork ;)

[11:14:22]

tatters:

The only option I have is to add a boomark to mythbrowser however I have no Gui when I click on boomark just opens up a full screen window of website no addy bar back button etc

[11:14:38]

juski:

tatters: yeah

[11:14:49]

juski:

that's all it does

[11:16:04]

tatters:

oh right,, It says a fully fledged browsr, I some screenshot that made it look that way also

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tatters:

So basically there is no navigation in the mythbrowser which defeats the point does it not?

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janneg:

juski: cheers. we will have DVB-C, DVB-T and maybe DVB-S reception but a video should help not constantly explanaing things to visitors

[11:18:25]

janneg:

and I'm just trying now to organise booth personal

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directhex|work:

surely you don't want to explain acronyms to people? acronyms are scary and have low WAF

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juski:

directhex|work: if a geek can't look up what DVB stands for I doubt they'd stand much chance with mythtv ;)

[11:42:57]

directhex|work:

myth's gotten too easy. relicense it to ban binary distribution, that'll separate the men from the boys

[11:43:18]

juski:

lol

[11:45:15]

directhex|work:

actually, ban tarballs too. only subversion checkouts allowed

[11:45:29]

juski:

so er.. since I mentioned there could be a slim chance of me going back on my statement that I'll never exhibit mythtv in the UK again... would anybody be interested in helping out?

[11:46:07]

directhex|work:

depends where, when, and how much beer is involved

[11:46:32]

juski:

wolverhampton, 7th & 8th July

[11:47:29]

directhex|work:

i'm in cuba in july

[11:47:33]

directhex|work:

this is for LRL?

[11:47:39]

juski:

yeah

[11:47:49]

directhex|work:

i might be able to find someone. hang on

[11:48:13]

juski:

this is all utter pie-in-the-sky for now

[11:48:49]

directhex|work:

ooh pie

[11:49:01]

juski:

weebl? ;)

[11:50:50]

juski:

sponsors this time would be ace – or at the very least a loan of a nice big lcd. the big problem this year is not being able to leave gear out overnight though – that'd be the main blocker – makes me think _laptop_ – something I only aspire to owning

[11:54:03]

juski:

janneg: anyway – lucky you being able to get TV signals into the booth ;)

[11:55:02]

directhex|work:

just take a big fat ringbuffer.nuv with you. nobody'll notice the difference!

[11:56:19]

juski:

we managed at last year's LRL perfectly well with no livetv

[11:56:34]

juski:

we wowed enough people as it was ;)

[11:56:44]

juski:

same at linuxworld

[11:58:33]

juski:

janneg: one thing – don't let yourself be misquoted like the guys last time ;) windows port indeed!

[12:00:09]

janneg:

juski: they would have a hard time to block DVB-T. one of berlin's transmitters is on the fairground

[12:00:25]

directhex|work:

(12:59:26) resiak@XXXXXXX: I'll see what I can do about mythstands

[12:00:29]

directhex|work:

juski, ^^

[12:00:51]

janneg:

and I think the windows port reffered to the failed google SoC project

[12:01:05]

directhex|work:

(13:00:21) resiak@XXXXXXX: but also mention that I've not even seen mythtv working ever ;-)

[12:01:09]

juski:

directhex|work: cool :) I'll see what I can rustle up as well

[12:01:36]

juski:

hell even if I can't be there myself it'd still be nice to have something out there

[12:02:06]

juski:

somebody has to give a toss about the PR

[12:02:14]

directhex|work:

i'm in cuba!

[12:02:26]

directhex|work:

or will be for LRL

[12:03:09]

juski:

well you can't be there if you can't be there.. I have to get my pass stamped by my not-very-understanding wife

[12:04:15]

Neeesat25:

juski: any recomentation for a HDTV card?

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juski:

Neeesat25: nope

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directhex|work:

oh, is it possible to tune into NTL without a set top box, e.g. via use of a dodgy CAM?

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directhex|work:

i seem to recall it can be done with sky for a few weeks until you get blocked for not having your skybox do a phone home procedure

[12:08:02]

juski:

directhex|work: NO

[12:08:28]

juski:

or rather don't ask or talk about it here

[12:08:53]

juski:

and to do so you'd be breaking NTL/Telewest/Virgin T&Cs

[12:09:35]

jduggan_:

heh

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directhex|work:

isn't teevee fun

[12:10:03]

jduggan_:

someone said NTL were upgrading their 10mbit broadband clients to 20mbit

[12:10:05]

jduggan_:

imagine that

[12:12:27]

frink_:

yeah I heard that too.

[12:12:34]

frink_:

but the uplink is still slow

[12:12:55]

frink_:

I have 1.3Mb uplink with Be Broadband.. It *almost* lets me stream myth recordings via it from the office :)

[12:17:16]

jduggan_:

im on a BE unbundled exchange

[12:17:24]

jduggan_:

but i dunno if it's worth it

[12:17:31]

frink_:

Be is good..

[12:17:35]

jduggan_:

my supposed 8mbit only syncs @ 6mbit

[12:17:39]

frink_:

speed is actually very good.

[12:17:41]

jduggan_:

so am i gonna get any more with ADSL2?

[12:17:49]

frink_:

Yeah, ADSL2 is better all round.

[12:17:55]

frink_:

You'll not get 24Mb

[12:18:00]

jduggan_:

so you get more over a longer distance?

[12:18:07]

frink_:

But you should get mroe than 6..

[12:18:08]

frink_:

Yup.

[12:18:15]

jduggan_:

hey 24mbit is rediculous anyway

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directhex|work:

there's no unbundling where i live

[12:18:26]

frink_:

I got about a 2Mb increase in Be by replacing my internal cabling to the outside BT junction box.

[12:18:26]

jduggan_:

15<20mbit would be fine

[12:18:37]

directhex|work:

there's also no decent tv reception. NTL have a fair degree of control

[12:18:40]

frink_:

24Mb would be sweet

[12:18:45]

anykey_:

My tv provider started tests for EuroDOCSIS 3.0, they managed to get a througput of about 480mbit/s download with it :-)

[12:18:55]

jduggan_:

but their business package gives you a /28 and also 2mbit up

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frink_:

directhex|work: Are there any decent/usable NTL boxes that work with myth?

[12:19:11]

directhex|work:

i'm not using an ir blaster

[12:19:14]

frink_:

jduggan_: yeah I have a single fixed IP address and then I tunnel more in from the office :)

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directhex|work:

and i'm not sacrificing multiple tuners

[12:19:29]

jduggan_:

frink_: but of latency over thoses huh? :P

[12:19:52]

frink_:

jduggan_: I have arranged it so that we peer with Be at the LINX so in fact, it only adds a few ms of latency :)

[12:20:04]

jduggan_:

ic

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frink_:

directhex|work: Can you get any PCI/other cable tv tuners for myth/NTL?

[12:20:53]

directhex|work:

frink_, the t&c demand use of the officially permitted set-top box

[12:21:12]

frink_:

directhex|work: I am sure they do.

[12:21:42]

frink_:

But BT T&C used to demand a BT only approved telelphone, but plenty of people ignored that too :)

[12:22:16]

directhex|work:

frink_, and i don't know which model of CAM would be needed by any filthy perverts who sought to avoid the t&c. or even whether it's dvb-c at all

[12:22:41]

frink_:

filthy perverts ;-)

[12:22:59]

frink_:

besides, its not avoiding the T&T, its just ignoring them.

[12:23:44]

frink_:

if you wanted to avoid them you'd hook up to the neighbours cable and use that instead :)

[12:25:25]

juski:

ADSL.. pleh!

[12:25:59]

frink_:

bwaahhhh

[12:26:15]

frink_:

I have VLC multicasting Myth recordings around the office :)

[12:26:45]

d31`:

frink_, so that means you can use vlc on a client to watch tv?

[12:26:59]

juski:

so? I've used mythstreamtv here & it was perfectly watchable

[12:27:08]

juski:

with only 512Mb upload

[12:27:10]

frink_:

d31`: yesh :) And multiple clients can watch it at the same time with no additional network or server load

[12:27:23]

frink_:

juski: What was the recording source?

[12:27:28]

juski:

IPTV is all just a bunch o shite anyway

[12:27:30]

Dibblah:

512Mb should be plenty ;)

[12:27:33]

juski:

frink_: dvb-t

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d31`:

frink_, i just finished setting up my new mythv box

[12:27:43]

frink_:

juski: Our parent company is the worlds largest IPTV supplier ;-)

[12:27:46]

d31`:

(for the first time)

[12:28:03]

frink_:

d31`: Cool, you like?

[12:28:16]

d31`:

Well, its not bad so far, trying to get sound working on it :)

[12:28:28]

frink_:

d31`: Oh, it should 'just work' ..

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d31`:

frink_, i suspect there is something up with my sound anyways

[12:28:46]

frink_:

right.. I need to go and take the missus for another midwife appointment :)

[12:28:46]

anykey_:

frink_: what's your parent company then?

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d31`:

frink_, looking into it now :/

[12:28:54]

frink_:

anykey_: PCCW Hong Kong

[12:29:02]

anykey_:

hum, never heard of them :p

[12:29:03]

juski:

frink_: I couldn't care less about IPTV – if it relies on an always-on connection that isn't always on...

[12:29:17]

frink_:

juski: Why wouldnt it always be on?

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juski:

plus they can do whatever the hell they like with the streams, when they like

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juski:

you're totally beholden to the supplier

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frink_:

juski: There is that of course.. There's a lot to be said for public broadcasting...

[12:30:24]

anykey_:

here in Switzerland a provider released an IPTV solution, their supplier is Microsoft: Picture quality is worse than analogue picture and because their using some shiny new codec from microsoft it doesn't work very well...

[12:30:28]

frink_:

So what will happen when we all have digital TV, digital radio and we get nuked? How will we all tune into the world service to find out what to do?

[12:30:32]

Dibblah:

frink_: Yeah, there is. Most of what you can say is not good, however ;)

[12:30:47]

frink_:

anykey_: Microsoft? What a joke..

[12:30:58]

frink_:

I wonder how much Microsoft paid to get in and do that..

[12:31:30]

** frink_ would leave if his company did that **

[12:31:49]

anykey_:

Well, people are booking it over and over, because they don't want to mess around with the cable company...

[12:32:20]

frink_:

So they get to choose between the incumbant cable co and a criminal monopoly... ;-)

[12:32:48]

frink_:

right i am off

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firenx__:

how do i take the backend out of autostartup?

[12:43:57]

juski:

firenx__: hmm how do you start or stop a script started in init? hmmmm ;)

[12:44:15]

firenx__:

well i can /etc/init.d/mthtv-backend stop but thats only temporary

[12:44:54]

rsdvd_:

firenx__ : which distro?

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juski:

if you're on ubunut you'd do 'sudo update-rc.d mythtv-backend remove'

[12:45:04]

firenx__:

ubuntu

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juski:

man update-rc.d

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firenx__:

ok

[12:46:10]

juski:

or you could try the GUI-based services manager applet thing

[12:46:27]

juski:

THANKS

[12:46:29]

juski:

asshole

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Dibblah:

juski: Cold mountain streams, fluffy bunny rabbits,...

[12:48:47]

Dibblah:

juski: In other words, calm ;)

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phatmonkey:

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/04/10/linux-on-apple-tv/ &ndash ; apple tv would make a very cool cheapish remote frontend. any chance of that happening?

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directhex|work:

any chance? yes

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kabtoffe:

probability? high

[13:02:41]

kabtoffe:

common hardware get all the cool stuff

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kabtoffe:

and unix is unix is unix

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directhex|work:

gnu's not unix!

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kabtoffe:

directhex|work: :D

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directhex|work:

the mac mini's a little slow for my tastes. and lacks an optical drive

[13:04:39]

directhex|work:

bah. appletv

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phatmonkey:

aahhh it doesn't have a dvd drive

[13:04:42]

phatmonkey:

yeah

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directhex|work:

mac mini's the solution

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directhex|work:

you get the idea

[13:04:53]

phatmonkey:

that's really bad actually

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fryfrog:

better than an box :)

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directhex|work:

it's designed for playing back videos you buy from the itunes music store. that's it

[13:05:11]

fryfrog:

er, xbox

[13:05:16]

phatmonkey:

well, with that handy usb port, a little external drive would work

[13:05:40]

directhex|work:

i do so wish the xbox 360 could make use of upnp to play media from my myth server

[13:06:00]

fryfrog:

i wish there was XBMC for the 360 :(

[13:06:37]

directhex|work:

write one! as long as it's completely managed c# and uses only methods in the XNA framework, it can be done in a legit manner

[13:06:42]

phatmonkey:

there probably will be, but by the time they've sorted it out, the xbox 720 will be out

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directhex|work:

ignoring the Â£40 a year subscription charge to run it

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fryfrog:

oh yeah, speaking of the xbox...

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fryfrog:

does anyone know what keeps a show re-poping into the comm-flag job queue?

[13:07:47]

fryfrog:

is there a db value i can toggle for a show which seems to be *CHOKING* commflag?

[13:08:00]

fryfrog:

an episode of lost from february keeps clogging the pipes :(

[13:08:20]

fryfrog:

jerichode from march too

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directhex|work:

i do wish the playstation 3 didn't have crippled video output. it'd make for a great frontend if it had even 2d acceleration

[13:08:52]

fryfrog:

I'm leaning towards the 360, when i finally update from my xbox

[13:09:22]

kabtoffe:

I'm leaning towards a htpc.

[13:09:43]

directhex|work:

as a games console there's no contest right now. it's just a shame the ps3 is worthless as anything else, due to artificial restrictions

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fryfrog:

you mean, teh wii rocks the socks right? :)

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Zider:

NES owns them all

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directhex|work:

dreamcast! no, wait... neo geo!

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

i fired up my SNES the other day

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fryfrog:

it still worked!

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alsoconfused:

fairchild channel-f

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directhex|work:

my NES gets more use than my SNES

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Zider:

fryfrog: ofcourse, it's quality :)

[13:10:45]

fryfrog:

but the shell looks like it lived with someone who chain smoked in the same room for 20 years

[13:10:59]

fryfrog:

which is odd, cause it didn't

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directhex|work:

i have one thing for the SNES though that not many people do

[13:11:06]

fryfrog:

the mouse?

[13:11:17]

fryfrog:

god, that was a retarded purchase :/

[13:11:26]

directhex|work:

you didn't like mario paint?

[13:11:26]

fryfrog:

mario paint my ass :)

[13:11:44]

fryfrog:

i sucked at mspaint, i dunno why the hell i got mario paint

[13:11:46]

Zider:

chrono trigger is the only SNES title I play

[13:11:55]

fryfrog:

it sure had a pretty box though :/

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directhex|work:

chrono trigger is a masterpiece

[13:12:08]

directhex|work:

a masterpiece unavailable in PAL territories Â¬_Â¬

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fryfrog:

and i was about that age, where the *box* is what mainly determined my purchases :)

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directhex|work:

here's another masterpiece: http://www.apebox.org/imglibrary.php?section= . . . amp;zoom=yes

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Zider:

directhex|work: that's what emulators are for ;)

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tremby:

if i have a dvb tv card am i right in saying the video data coming into the computer is already mpeg-2 and so mythtv doesn't have to do any encoding?

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GreyFoxx:

pretty much yes

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tremby:

"pretty much"... what's the catch?

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GreyFoxx:

some broadcasters are playing with H264 but the vast majority is mpeg2

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tremby:

ah so either way mythtv isn't doing any encoding

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

only work myth would do is if you transcode or commercial flag

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directhex|work:

or enable TS->PS conversion. does it still do that?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't beleive so

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directhex|work:

think it did in 0.19, anyway

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GreyFoxx:

but Honestly I'd have to go look to be sure

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tremby:

good. i'm trying to decide on hardware. i want to build a server for under the stairs which is a mythtv backend, (very) low traffic webserver, router, and fileserver for the network. would you say i should go for a dual core chip or would that be overkill?

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directhex|work:

that's technically work

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directhex|work:

sounds like a job for dual xeons

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directhex|work:

or not.

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GreyFoxx:

Only you would know what kind of load you are gonna put on it :)

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GreyFoxx:

myth wouldn;t require that

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directhex|work:

honestly? if you do some of the more intensive things like dvd ripping, transcoding, and commercial flagging, then you might want a fast machine

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directhex|work:

but generally, you don't need a fast box to capture dvb-t

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tremby:

what if it's two dvb-t cards and also serving something to other boxes?

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GreyFoxx:

ripping is a frontend opperation, transcoding and commflagging are backend. But you shouldn't really need dual core to do it.... but like I said it's up to you

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GreyFoxx:

trembl: That's not much load

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tremby:

ok, thanks

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directhex|work:

in theory my server machine has a similar use case to yours. that's got a fast cpu precisely because i wanted to use it for dvd ripping and the like. non-myth things the box would be doing

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GreyFoxx:

noone is gonna tell you not to buy more cpu, all we can say is it's not required for myth. You decide for your needs beyond that :)

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tremby:

haha ok. cheers

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directhex|work:

dual xeon 53xx, areca pcie sata2 raid controller with 16 1tb disks

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directhex|work:

sounds about right

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directhex|work:

my backend was exceedingly expensive to build, and not so great when push comes to shove. never mind, live & learn

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tremby:

what's the spec of it?

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jimbalaya:

this is driving me nuts (and making MythTV unusable) ... my channel lineup is correct, but the shows listed are actually on different channels (ie: Comedy Central is channel 40, but it's listed in the Myth guide as being 42)

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directhex|work:

pentium-d 830, 1gb ecc ddr2, 8x 250gb sata disk, lsi megaraid 300–8x, asus p5wdg2-ws, technotrend t-1500 (w/ cam), hauppauge wintv nova-t

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tank-man:

why not get dual core, they are cheap. i just got a amd athlon64 x2 4600+ for 120$ last month

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directhex|work:

tank-man, a lot of people use an existing "old" machine, that's one reason dual core isn't always an option

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tremby:

directhex|work: sounds pretty meaty... what's not so great about it?

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tremby:

2t storage... i thought i had plenty... half a t

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directhex|work:

tremby, load problems with the megaraid. pentium-d is hot and slow. onboard ethernet causes kernel panics. the usual, really!

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tremby:

is onboard ethernet often a headache?

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tank-man:

no

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tremby:

how do you have your 8 drives set up? raid 0+1?

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directhex|work:

not often. i'm really good at finding special cases though

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directhex|work:

raid5

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tremby:

what's raid5

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directhex|work:

distributed parity

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tremby:

sounds high tech

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directhex|work:

1 redundant disk, n-1 disks of useful space

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tremby:

and that's reliable?

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tremby:

is it striped or... progressive(?)

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directhex|work:

it's striped with 1 disk of data used for error correction data, such that if a disk fails, it can be recreated

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directhex|work:

using the error corection data and remaining working data

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directhex|work:

so out of 8 disks, i have 7 disks of usable space

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tremby:

sounds good. if two drives fail you're screwed though?

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directhex|work:

yep

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directhex|work:

unlikely to happen before i get a chance to swap out the dud though

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juski:

fuck it. if folks can't be arsed to thank people for helping I'm not hanging about

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tremby:

anyone got a hauppauge nova-t usb2?

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directhex|work:

nope, just pci

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directhex|work:

linuxtv's the best place to ask about tv card specifics, since they write the drivers

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Pete_:

I think i've found a good silent [yes, completely fan/diskless] box for mythfrontend :)

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Ribs:

good work

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Pete_:

for about 200gbp

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Ribs:

even better work

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Ribs:

if you cite appletv or something, we may have to laugh at you :>

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Pete_:

Hah, no.

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Pete_:

its an ibm thinclient

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Pete_:

only problem is i've got it stuck in 800x600 now

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GreyFoxx:

pete: What make/odel ?

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GreyFoxx:

err model

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Pete_:

t5725, one of the new debian based ones

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Pete_:

I've always been looking for a silent frontend, this seems to be a good solution while having a full mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

Does it have TVout? What sort of cost ?

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rsdvd_:

Pete – get a S100 T-online box – silent and can be picked up for £30 on eBay

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GreyFoxx:

I use msntv2's Can normally be gotten for $20-$40US on ebay

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GreyFoxx:

I got lucky and got all of mine for an avergage of $9 each

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Ribs:

now he's gonna feel depressed for spending Â£250 on his ibm box

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GreyFoxx:

well, it does have more ram and faster cpu. If it has quality TVout it could be useful :)

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directhex|work:

i still think a mac mini would make a nice frontend. very slim & sexy box

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** Ribs just got a desktop from dell for his mythtv box **

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Ribs:

I use it at my main PC now

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rsdvd_:

GreyFox does the keyboard work on the msntv when you install myth?

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GreyFoxx:

rsdvd_: Yup, works fine

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Pete_:

Sadly its only vga out (gonna try splitting a vga cable to give RGB)

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rsdvd_:

:-( I wish we could get them over here

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: They would be good. Just a little pricy if it's a dedicated frotnend

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Pete_:

its still not silent though ;)

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, all in all i've probably spent approaching two grand on mythtv-related purchases. five hundred quid on a mac mini's not so bad

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GreyFoxx:

Pete_: I can;t hear anything out of mine

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directhex|work:

Pete_, compared to my backend it is. or to any of the games consoles. the great thing about a frontend is you can turn it off

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GreyFoxx:

mac mini that is

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GreyFoxx:

the msntv's are silent STB's, no moving parts

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rsdvd_:

so is the S100 :-)

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GreyFoxx:

This is some shots of the msntv the first day I ran myth on it: http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-05-MSNTV-MythTV&

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Pete_:

I thought the s100 had a HD

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BSD_Tech:

get a mini-itx sp1300

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BSD_Tech:

fanless

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directhex|work:

dora the explorer o/

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rsdvd_:

Pete_ : it comes with an IDE header – but no HDD.....you can add one if you wish or PXE boto it like I do

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: Hehe my kid was a dora addict for a while :)

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rsdvd_:

the only HDD I have is a tiny usb flash card for some swap space

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directhex|work:

there's something fun about using a microsoft-branded box for mythtv

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Ribs:

haha

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

one of these days I'll use some solvents to rub off the MS logos, but it'

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GreyFoxx:

s a conversation starter when geeks come over to my place for the first itme and see it :)

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directhex|work:

one of these days i won't be poor, and i'll have a house where i can actually put the backend out of view

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** Ribs is changing his PVR over to mandriva, just for the fun of it **

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: My master backent+frontend is in the basement, and I have cables run through the walls so that the output is on the TV in the living room.

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rsdvd_:

ribs – don;t do it! I have just had to install mandiva for another projevct and it is driving me mad

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GreyFoxx:

dead silent in the living roomthat way :)

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Pete_:

I should go get a meter to see what this box actually draws

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Ribs:

rsdvd_, oh, heh

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BSD_Tech:

does lirc have to be a kernel module

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directhex|work:

GreyFoxx, clever. but the only place with aerial reception in my place is next to the tv

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Pete_:

thats what I am looking for, except the backend is in the loft

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Ribs:

I *really* liked the 2007.1 rc3 I tried

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directhex|work:

BSD_Tech, yes. and lirc is icky

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GreyFoxx:

directhex|work: Ahh

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BSD_Tech:

or can it be run in stand alone mode

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rsdvd_:

Ribs : probably beacuse I am used to fedora now.....but things are so differnet

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directhex|work:

BSD_Tech, if you wrote a friendly userland replacement for lirc, the gods themselves would sing your praises

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anykey_:

well, lirc is not that bad

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Kyler_:

So...I've been running my backend for a couple years and it's just gotten way too slow. I'm migrating everything off its RAID5 today. Time for plain LVM.

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directhex|work:

the great thing about my mac mini plan is the lack of lirc

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BSD_Tech:

not a c coder

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BSD_Tech:

lol

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directhex|work:

all the cool kids appear to be writing remote-based things in python. that's the way the wii remote things have gone

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directhex|work:

i'm not cool though :'(

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Kyler_:

directhex|work: I wrote a lirc tool in Python for my frontend a long time ago. It can play (background) music and reset mythfrontend when it locks.

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directhex|work:

Kyler_, but does it still rely on feeding your serial port's IRQ and I/O details to a hand-compiled kernel module?

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directhex|work:

here's my almost-working choice of remote: http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000MWQ . . . 7_SS500_.jpg

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Kyler_:

directhex|work: Pretty much, except I use the ATI USB (RF) remote so there isn't an IRQ to be set.

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BSD_Tech:

what about irman

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BSD_Tech:

what about irman is it any better

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directhex|work:

Kyler_, X started ignoring some of the keys on my remote wonder

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Kyler_:

directhex|work: Hey! That's Bluetooth! Cool.

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directhex|work:

Kyler_, yes, it is. and the mac mini has built-in bluetooth. meaning no receiver dongle of any kind

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Kyler_:

I've been wanting a Bluetooth remote for use with my laptop. I hate the idea of adding a dongle for something that's essentially Bluetooth.

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directhex|work:

Kyler_, all that's been publically released so far is a python script which can identify button presses, but not act upon them

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Kyler_:

directhex|work: What's the model number of that remote? Know where to get one?

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directhex|work:

Kyler_, any videogame store should have one. Â£18 is the RRP

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Kyler_:

directhex|work: Hmmm...I wonder how hard it would be to simulate a LIRC device?

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Kyler_:

Ooooh...it's for that.

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BSD_Tech:

what is dialog and where can I get it

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BSD_Tech:

lirc says it cant find dialog

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directhex|work:

Kyler_, and if it simulates a keyboard, then you can easily map it to controls in myth, or to keyboard shortcuts in a WM

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BSD_Tech:

I got the lirc source

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BSD_Tech:

but it wont configure

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anykey_:

BSD_Tech: you need to install the dep

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BSD_Tech:

wich one and how not a linux person

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directhex|work:

which distribution are you using?

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BSD_Tech:

mythdora and its based on fc5

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directhex|work:

oh. yum. can't help there

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BSD_Tech:

yum is installed

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directhex|work:

i don't speak fedora

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directhex|work:

i tried it once, it asked me to swap CD 6 times during installation, which wasn't a good start

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Kyler_:

directhex|work: Sounds good. I'm going to look for the remotes. My wife carries ours between three rooms right now. I'd like to find some better less-expensive ones.

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Kyler_:

(The ATI has limited range.)

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BSD_Tech:

well its only iso I found this includes myth and all the plugins

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Kyler_:

directhex|work: Did you have a specific technique in mind for simulating a keyboard? Is there something off-the-shelf? Would "expect" work with mythfrontend?

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fryfrog:

Kyler_: I think he mans, it'd plug into the keyboard slot

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fryfrog:

and press buttons like "M" or "A" literally

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directhex|work:

Kyler_, i believe the currently recommended method is "uinput", which is a kernel module allowing for userspace emulation of input devices

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fryfrog:

oh, or that

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Kyler_:

fryfrog: Huh???

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Kyler_:

directhex|work: Ah! I'll look. Thanks. But something like expect might do the trick too and there are Python versions already.

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directhex|work:

Kyler_, the guy who's been working on ps3 remote support so far has a python keyboard emulation working – but hasn't released it yet.

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directhex|work:

Kyler_, if you're feeling daring, i think linux/drivers/hid/hid-input.c is a place to start hacking to get it supported at a lower level

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fryfrog:

okay, what the *frack* tells myth to fire off mythcommflag jobs? it has to be a flag in the db somewhere, right?

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perlmonkey:

hi guys

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perlmonkey:

i am having some problems with scheduled recordings and wondered if anyone might have some answers.. I have been getting failed recordings when I try and schedule a recording from the Program Guide, not sure why.

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perlmonkey:

if I manually set a recording to record it says it's recording but no file is written to the harddrive, but if I watch the tv live, it starts writing to the file!

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perlmonkey:

I was wondering if perhaps it's to do with my tv source as I use cable and so everything is on one channel, so to speak. and when I set programs on the TV Guide myth attempts to change to the channel perhaps?

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fryfrog:

did you setup your inputs right?

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perlmonkey:

I dunno :-/

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fryfrog:

cause myth doesn't have a problem with that, assuming you set it up right

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fryfrog:

you'd need to have a channel change script set

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perlmonkey:

I have been able to record using manual schedule

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perlmonkey:

but not from Program Guide

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fryfrog:

and either bind it to your svideo/rca ports

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fryfrog:

or tell it to tune to channel X

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fryfrog:

its under mythtv-setup

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perlmonkey:

thing is

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perlmonkey:

I dont need to have anything change channels as my set top box does that automatically as I just set reminders for each prog

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perlmonkey:

yet myth doesn't record at the timeslots I set for it :-/

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perlmonkey:

recording goes grey and it says (F) (failed)

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perlmonkey:

sux

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perlmonkey:

lost 2 days worth of progs already and my next prog is due to record in 20 mins

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fryfrog:

thats uh, kind of a dumb way of doing it

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fryfrog:

why don't you have myth change the channel?

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perlmonkey:

myth cant change the channel can it, how can it do that?

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perlmonkey:

I have no remote

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fryfrog:

a few ways

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fryfrog:

depending on the box

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fryfrog:

you can use an irblaster (sends commands to the box with IR)

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perlmonkey:

thats not needed tho

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fryfrog:

you can use serial on some boxes, if it has it

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fryfrog:

and firewire can too if you have it

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perlmonkey:

as i said the box is capable of changing channels automatically when progs start

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fryfrog:

if you *really* want to use program *2* devices though, you probably just need to point myth at a dummy script

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perlmonkey:

why bother with IRblaster and other stuff eh

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fryfrog:

my guess is that it tries to change channels, can't, and fails it

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perlmonkey:

:-/

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fryfrog:

i can think of so many reasons i don't even feel like typing them out

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perlmonkey:

isnt there any way to tell myth, dont change channels, just record whatever channel is on

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fryfrog:

not that i know of, but thats why you use a dummy script

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perlmonkey:

oh

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fryfrog:

just make a file called "channel-change.sh" and put "#!/bin/sh" and "exit 0" in it

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fryfrog:

it'll think it changed channels, and your... frankenstein setup will hopefully do its job

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perlmonkey:

ok thanks I will try that, I didnt realise myth tries to change channel

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perlmonkey:

:D

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perlmonkey:

cool

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perlmonkey:

where should that file be located?

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fryfrog:

so uh, what happens if a show is rescheduled to another day/time?

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ryan__:

hi

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fryfrog:

in /usr/local/bin/ is a resonable place, but as long as it is +x it doesn't really matter

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perlmonkey:

fryfrog: I guess I would lose that recording but that's really rare

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fryfrog:

ah

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perlmonkey:

ok

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fryfrog:

i guess you juggle conflicts manually?

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fryfrog:

oh well, nm

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perlmonkey:

yeah exactly

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fryfrog:

my head would assplode doing it that way :p

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perlmonkey:

haha

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fryfrog:

does your cable box have firewire?

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perlmonkey:

I dont record much tho so I guess it's not so bad doing it manually

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perlmonkey:

it does yeah

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fryfrog:

(mainly cause i have 4 tuner devices, 2 of which are STBs)

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perlmonkey:

I have no clue how to use firewire tho

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fryfrog:

you know there is a decent chance you could record *and* control your STB with firewire?

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fryfrog:

oh, shit

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fryfrog:

its worth learning :)

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perlmonkey:

phew

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fryfrog:

what kind of box do you use? DCT6200 or 6412?

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perlmonkey:

just with a cable from stb to PC?

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fryfrog:

maybe?

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fryfrog:

right

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fryfrog:

a firewire cable from your STB to myth

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perlmonkey:

phew now you're asking, it's a big old grey Pace thing

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perlmonkey:

from cable company

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fryfrog:

at the *very* least you can probably ...

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fryfrog:

its *made* by someone called "Pace"?

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perlmonkey:

yeah

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fryfrog:

well, if you have a firewire port on your myth box and it has one... it is worth trying to get working :)

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perlmonkey:

at least that's what it says on the front

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perlmonkey:

ok I will try

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fryfrog:

but i've never heard of pace :(

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fryfrog:

I use Motorola DCT6412 myself

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ryan__:

has anybody got mythweb streaming live tv?

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** perlmonkey checks **

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perlmonkey:

it only says Pace on it, but I guess it could be made by Motorola or someone else

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Ribs:

no, it was made by pace

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Ribs:

they've made a lot of stuff in the past

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fryfrog:

ah

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perlmonkey:

Pace did modems eh

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perlmonkey:

they'

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fryfrog:

lets see what google / the email list turns up for "pace" :)

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perlmonkey:

they're not so big anymore eh

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fryfrog:

do you have a model # or name?

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perlmonkey:

phew I can't see any

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fryfrog:

or, maybe if you call your cable co you can get a diff box?

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fryfrog:

is it a Pace HD box?

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perlmonkey:

D14000-T

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perlmonkey:

thats the model number, could be an L not a 1, not sure

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perlmonkey:

just standard digital not HD

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perlmonkey:

it has an IR blaster port, ether, and firewire

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perlmonkey:

and 2 x Scart

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perlmonkey:

I made that script you said earlier, will myth know where it is/how to use it, or do I need to adjust something in myth config?

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perlmonkey:

i wanna make my own myth-style interface in perl

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perlmonkey:

this is wrong IP :-/

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perlmonkey:

well here goes, 1 min to prog record time

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fryfrog:

you need to point to it in mythtv-setup

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fryfrog:

there is a field for channel change script

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perlmonkey:

damn

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perlmonkey:

ok

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perlmonkey:

i dont suppose you know where that option is

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perlmonkey:

oh i found it

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perlmonkey:

sheesh

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perlmonkey:

nuther prog lost :(

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perlmonkey:

beginning to lose patience with this, would be easier just to code my own tv guide scheduler which initiates a command to the pvr to record

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ryan__:

pete?

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ryan__:

not that i know of

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Pete_:

Hello

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ryan__:

;)

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ryan__:

sadly

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gardengnome:

wait a second, ryan__ & pete

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gbee:

Pete_: no there hasn't, your welcome to work on it

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gbee:

s/your/you're/

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Pete_:

when I get round to learning some more c

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gardengnome:

ryan__, Pete_, gbee: http://mythtvmultiplex.osp.fi/

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Pete_:

Its already implemented in kaffeine, oh well

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perlmonkey:

sheesh its doing that dumb thing again, recording as long as live tv is playing but stops when u stop live tv

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gbee:

Kaffeine is a much simpler application

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perlmonkey:

too dumb

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gardengnome:

perlmonkey: isn't it supposed to do that?

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perlmonkey:

no way

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perlmonkey:

this is a scheduled tv prog it should be recording regardless, especially since i told it to "record anyway" when it failed earlier

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gbee:

gardengnome: I'm aware of that initiative and with the greatest respect to Daniel and Janne, I'll wait for something to actually come of it before getting my hopes up

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perlmonkey:

errr now its deleted the recording

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gardengnome:

gbee: well, at least it's not summer of code

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perlmonkey:

this is doing my head in, i dont feel in control of my recordings

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gardengnome:

perlmonkey: that's normal. it's called "auto expire"

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perlmonkey:

sheesh I think I might try and code something myself that's much simplier

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gardengnome:

perlmonkey: good luck!

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gardengnome:

haha

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perlmonkey:

but surely it shouldn't autoexpire a few minutes after recording

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perlmonkey:

what use is that

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gbee:

perlmonkey: you are free to do that :)

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perlmonkey:

well all the tv schedule data is in the db, all i need is a simple html interface to it for selecting progs and a basic shell script to initiate recordings

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gbee:

there was a guy in here a few months back who reckoned he could recreate mythtv functionality with 100 lines of perl :D

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perlmonkey:

did he succeed

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juski:

he got a bit roasted on the -users mailing list as I remember

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gbee:

of course not, he was delusional

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perlmonkey:

it does seem overkill really for what it does and overly complicated I must say

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perlmonkey:

I'

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perlmonkey:

I'm sure it could be made a lot simplier using a basic script

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juski:

I'll come back when the whining has stopped eh

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opello:

what a poor perl programmer, shouldn't it be 1 line?

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perlmonkey:

haha

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erpo:

When I first start mythfrontend, it works great. But, after running it for a while (maybe a few hours or overnight), the video/audio gets choppy. If I run top, I see mythfrontend using a normal amount of CPU time and Xorg using up the rest of the CPU time. If I log out, ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the x server, log back in, and run mythfrontend again, everything goes back to normal for a while. What's happening? How can I fix this?

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gbee:

perlmonkey: it all depends what you want – mythtv probably is overkill for some people

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perlmonkey:

i just want a quick way to make recordings

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perlmonkey:

scheduling would be nice, but its not essential for me as my stb does all that already

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gbee:

it's complicated because it has to be, it's capable of recording from a dozen different sources in just about every country whilst meeting the differing expectations of thousands of users

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juski:

mythtv is so much more than just some lame TV viewing app

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perlmonkey:

it would be nice if mythtv had a simple mode whereby you could just press button to record and one to stop like a vcr

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erpo:

xdpyinfo reports that XVideo-MotionCompensation is an available extension and mythtv says it's using it.

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gbee:

perlmonkey: it does

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gbee:

of sorts anyway

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perlmonkey:

where is that feature im having a hard time finding it :-/

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** juski keeps schtum about what'd *really* be nice **

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gbee:

hit 'R' in the programme guide or whilst watching live TV, or even set up a custom recording schedule

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perlmonkey:

complicated is ok, as long as it's also simple to use as well

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juski:

mythtv is FREE. you don't pay for it, yet you complain about it not doing this, that or the other. WHY? people works their nuts off for the project. nobody pays them. hell, few people even bloody thank them

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perlmonkey:

ok

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gbee:

well again I think mythtv is simple to use – it could be even simpler, but it's not that difficult

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** juski is off on one today **

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gbee:

the majority of problems people have are with things external to mythtv – e.g. hardware/driver problems, general OS configuration

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juski:

now I'm not saying we should all kiss Isaac & all the other devs' asses, but...

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perlmonkey:

it behaves in strange ways that i dont expect it to, or understand

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juski:

hardly surprising

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perlmonkey:

why example, when a recording fails, why begin recording when tv is in live watch mode? and furthermore, why delete the recording immediately after you stop watching tv. that makes no sense at all to me

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juski:

mythtv records everything

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juski:

if you want to keep the recording, press R

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juski:

or it will be expired!

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perlmonkey:

so even if you're just watching tv it will record it?

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juski:

the manual covers this

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juski:

YES

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perlmonkey:

ok

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perlmonkey:

why does it do that? what use is that apart from taking up huge amounts of disk space and cpu resource

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juski:

the wiki has a brilliant 'daily use' section – I strongly suggest you read it

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: timeshifting for example

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gbee:

perlmonkey: livetv is recorded so that you can rewind/pause etc, but it's assumed that unless you specify that you want to 'Record' the program that you don't want to keep it

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juski:

so you can pause & rewind live tv

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perlmonkey:

what if you dont need that, and you just want to watch tv

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: don't use mythtv then

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juski:

if you want a dumb tv watching app, don't use mythtv

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gbee:

then use something else – mythtv is a PVR, pause/rewind is standard PVR behaviour

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perlmonkey:

why doesnt mythtv let you disable recording, or even better not enable it by default

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perlmonkey:

:-/

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: not enable it by default?!?!

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juski:

because then it'd attract even more people with unrealistic demands?

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S2:

juski, lol :)

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juski:

"hey great project. by the way can you just do one thing & totally change the way it works for me?"

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perlmonkey:

software should start in a simple mode by default and more advanced features should be user enabled?

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perlmonkey:

mythtv has it the other way around it seems

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juski:

users should be grateful of all the input developers put into a project and STFU

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: mythtv is meant as a PVR, and every PVR works like this

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: if you want to just watch tv, go and use tvtime or xawtv

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gbee:

it's a development philosophy – if you just want to watch livetv then you really don't need mythtv (no off the shelf PVR from your local electronics store allows you to turn off pause/rewind features)

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juski:

gbee: sorry but $ky plus does IIRC

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perlmonkey:

what if you want to just watch tv and you want to use mythtv to do it :P

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: then shut up

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gbee:

you may as well just watch the cable directly :)

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juski:

perlmonkey: just do me a favour & come out from under the bridge please

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perlmonkey:

but with mythtv you have the benefit of watching the tv on any frontend eh, i.e. away from stb box

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perlmonkey:

that would be useful reason to use mythtv

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gbee:

juski: really? suprises me but I believe it would still be the exception

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juski:

but nothing. mythtv works the way it does, and is all the more great for it. if you don't agree it's easy. get something else :)

[16:27:31]

juski:

gbee: yeah, it's to prolong the life of the hdd I think

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juski:

maybe they've changed it in recent times or got round it other ways

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perlmonkey:

can I submit suggestions for the next update release?

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: you can, but the devs will lough at you if you come up with *this*

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juski:

perlmonkey: course. nobody has to listen to them

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gbee:

perlmonkey: you couldn't stream to the other frontends without recording/buffering something to the disk – so it might use less drive space but it would still use the same amount of CPU

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perlmonkey:

gbee: oh fair point

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juski:

see the wiki for feature requests & see how many have been implemented

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perlmonkey:

I'm not suggesting more features should be added

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juski:

code speaks louder than words

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juski:

same difference

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perlmonkey:

I'm suggesting less should be enabled by default

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juski:

then you've got to get it past the developers – the guys who'd actually DO the work

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anykey_:

and nobody would want it like that

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perlmonkey:

yes

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** juski looks forward to seeing perlmonkeytv (the simple pvr you use with a commandline) **

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perlmonkey:

I guess you need like a user poll with new users or something to see what people want mythtv to be like out of the box

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juski:

I guess not

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anykey_:

you don't need anything, it's fine like it is now...

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juski:

are you paying for this? do you have a right to demand stuff?

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juski:

NO you frickin well don't

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perlmonkey:

i said suggest, not demand :P

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majesty:

hmm

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juski:

suggest all you like

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** juski throws the troll on the BBQ **

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perlmonkey:

ok but consider this

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perlmonkey:

if you installed apache and it started doing funky things like rewriting your page urls you wouldn't like that eh

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ryan__:

why would you not want mythtv recording?!?!?!!!!

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gbee:

a poll from users wouldn't get very far unless they are going to start paying for mythtv – even if 99% of user want a feature, unless someone is prepared to write the code it will never happen

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perlmonkey:

apache runs in a basic mode when you install it, and the extra features it has are enabled or not, as the case maybe, but the user

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juski:

FOSS projects are often mistaken for democracies.. ;)

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perlmonkey:

*by

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gbee:

perlmonkey: mythtv is working as intended, it's not doing anything which most users find unexpected

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: you are free to make a fork of mythtv where you can mess around with it's code as you want...

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perlmonkey:

im not suggesting a rewrite of mythtv or new features or anything like that

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: you are

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juski:

perlmonkey: but you ARE

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gbee:

or at least if it is unexpected, they quickly agree that it works that way for a very good reason

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juski:

if you knew even one iota of what is going on in the code you'd know that it's a seriously tall order

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perlmonkey:

just packaging it in a way so that its more reasily userable to people who just want a basic app to watch tv or do recordings

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perlmonkey:

*easily

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juski:

perlmonkey: there are already other apps

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: you wouldn't ask openoffice.org to remove it's formatting tools just because *you* only want to write text

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perlmonkey:

true, but its nice to have mythtv work that way also, while still having the more advanced features there to learn and use later if you choose to

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gbee:

there are dozens of such apps

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juski:

you'd have to rewrite the whole recording chain stuff

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perlmonkey:

:-/

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juski:

perlmonkey: listen mate. it ain't gonna happen, so stop now

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perlmonkey:

ankey_ remove not, not enable by default, yes

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gbee:

we're not arguing just for the sake of it – trust me, I know the code, what you are proposing isn't as simple as you make it sound

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ryan__:

y?

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juski:

yes there are reasons behind the rationale against changing mythtv to work the way you suggest – the main one being it wouldn't be a simple thing to do

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perlmonkey:

ok fair enough

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: you would just use a f*cking text editor, use a simple tv app to do what you want

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ryan__:

mythtv wouldnt be mythtv if it didnt record as default

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perlmonkey:

heh

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perlmonkey:

is there a panel or visual display of controls you can use while live tv is playing, like pause/rewind etc

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gbee:

the livetv capability of mythtv is really just bolted on as an extra – it's primary design and the majority of the code is there to handle recording, half the users of mythtv don't even watch livetv anymore

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perlmonkey:

I see

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juski:

perlmonkey: wtf do you need onscreen controls for?

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: just use your remote?!

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perlmonkey:

how do you know what keys control which functions?

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juski:

it tells you it's paused. it tells you it's rewinding

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perlmonkey:

i dont have one :(

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anykey_:

perlmonkey: RTFM

[16:39:55]

juski:

perlmonkey: have you ever USED mythtv?

[16:40:10]

juski:

god sometimes I wish discussions like this happened face to face

[16:40:15]

anykey_:

jup

[16:40:22]

ryan__:

ha

[16:40:24]

perlmonkey:

I only installed it last week and have had problems recording so havent really been able to use it much apart from watching live tv

[16:40:32]

ryan__:

look at the list of keys to find out what they do

[16:40:44]

gbee:

mythtv/keys.txt or there should be a list in the docs

[16:40:53]

perlmonkey:

thanks

[16:41:01]

juski:

or in the daily use section of the wiki damnit. like I said earlier

[16:41:16]

perlmonkey:

ya

[16:41:19]

juski:

you lot might catch me on the news someday

[16:41:31]

gbee:

;)

[16:41:32]

perlmonkey:

chill out dude

[16:41:38]

perlmonkey:

its only a software app

[16:41:55]

juski:

it's only another whiny user making unreasonable requests again!

[16:42:22]

perlmonkey:

hey! people are allowed to express their opinions and discuss things

[16:42:25]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: THen you should have no damn problem reading the documentation

[16:42:25]

juski:

like it's your birthright or something.. I dunno where you get the cheek

[16:42:30]

perlmonkey:

dont be so quick to jump on people

[16:42:46]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: People shouldn't be such lazy wankers then

[16:43:22]

juski:

as soon as you started "it SHOULD do stuff MY way" I should have slapped you on mute. but nah I'm a sucker

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perlmonkey:

whatever

[16:43:42]

** juski laughs. how mature **

[16:43:50]

gbee:

I've talked about adding additional help screens/contextual key binding popups, it's an idea which should be straightforward and I might play about with it at the weekend

[16:44:05]

perlmonkey:

from where i'm sitting you are the immature one

[16:44:11]

juski:

gbee: yeah but which key will you need to press to bring them up? ;)

[16:44:15]

gbee:

the current F1 help stuff is pretty limited

[16:44:23]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: ANd from where i'm sitting there's more monkey in you than there should be

[16:44:32]

perlmonkey:

Dagmar: enough

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anykey_:

Dagmar: lol ;)

[16:44:40]

Dagmar:

Read the documentation.

[16:44:42]

gbee:

juski: if they can't figure out that one, then there really isn't any hope :)

[16:44:57]

perlmonkey:

Dagmar stop being abusive last time I will warn you

[16:45:00]

anykey_:

gbee: there *really* isn't any hope, if you see such discussions :|

[16:45:10]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: Are you going to cry?

[16:45:19]

perlmonkey:

no i will just report you to your ISP

[16:45:21]

anykey_:

lol

[16:45:22]

perlmonkey:

and to freenode

[16:45:22]

Dagmar:

I'd love that dearly.

[16:45:32]

Dagmar:

What are you, 12?

[16:45:43]

juski:

I fully expect a major attack on my website any time now

[16:45:46]

Dagmar:

My ISP will not do anything but tell you that you got ff easy.

[16:45:48]

perlmonkey:

calling people wankers is unacceptable

[16:45:52]

juski:

happened last time I had a ruck

[16:45:55]

gbee:

anykey_: don't take away my hope, it's all I've got left, even my sanity has left me

[16:46:12]

Dagmar:

I can use a lot more words than that, but I felt "wankers" was appropriate.

[16:46:12]

anykey_:

gbee: oh sorry then, didn't want to destroy your world :D

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Dagmar:

Here, I've an idea. Go tell a grown up, man.

[16:46:51]

juski:

perlmonkey: and besides, a lot of what you suggested is already covered in the channel FAQ

[16:47:19]

perlmonkey:

juski: fair enough

[16:47:30]

juski:

maybe there could be a password hidden away so new folks would have to read it before being allowed in :-P

[16:47:43]

perlmonkey:

/ignore Dagmar

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anykey_:

juski: that would be a good idea :D

[16:48:02]

Dagmar:

You need to type it as a command, not text, kiddo.

[16:48:03]

fryfrog:

damn perlmonkey, are you still going?

[16:48:14]

perlmonkey:

im sure if you did that another channel would just spring up

[16:48:23]

fryfrog:

did you get it working like you wanted?

[16:48:26]

juski:

perlmonkey: yeah, but who'd support it? ;)

[16:48:32]

Dagmar:

Yep, I'm quite sure it would.

[16:48:44]

Dagmar:

And should hell simultaneously freeze over, people might be able to get help there.

[16:48:44]

anykey_:

hum, such a nice discussion and I need to go and eat :(

[16:48:49]

juski:

you could all go in there & bitch about the bolshy elitists or something

[16:48:58]

perlmonkey:

ahh silence from Dagmar at last

[16:49:40]

juski:

anyway thanks for your input. it'll be filed appropriately shortly ;)

[16:50:00]

fryfrog:

perlmonkey: what kind of pace box did you say it was?

[16:50:16]

perlmonkey:

fryfrog: I think it's a Dl4000-T

[16:50:40]

juski:

perlmonkey: I have some BAD news and some BAD NEWS

[16:50:51]

Dagmar:

yay bad news!

[16:51:08]

fryfrog:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/254308#254308

[16:51:13]

juski:

I don't think that STB uses the RC-5 protocol

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perlmonkey:

oh

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fryfrog:

there is someone who controls channel changes with firewire, but doesn't do recording

[16:51:33]

juski:

you need a converter to change RC-5 to the semi-IrDA the box uses

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perlmonkey:

:-/

[16:52:03]

fryfrog:

humm, search for "Dl4000-T" doesn't find anything

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juski:

perlmonkey: all this is IIRC

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perlmonkey:

it's not HD, just a normal digital stb

[16:52:55]

perlmonkey:

thanks

[16:53:03]

janneg:

juski: we (then we change #mythtv-de's channel mode to +s) had the idea of creating a -s+m channel #mythtv-info

[16:53:20]

juski:

s+m? sounds good :-P

[16:53:31]

juski:

I dunno what the IRC channel modes are tho

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fryfrog:

m is moderate

[16:53:47]

fryfrog:

wtf is s?

[16:53:49]

juski:

ah

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gardengnome:

heh

[16:54:00]

janneg:

mainly to be invisible to spammers and have at least one channel in the channel listings

[16:54:03]

gardengnome:

that discussion was fun

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Dagmar:

You could ask trivia questions about simple technology subject, and require that the answers be in the form of a complete sentence with proper punctuation and grammar before one would be allowed access.

[16:54:13]

gardengnome:

fryfrog: secret

[16:54:18]

fryfrog:

ohhhh

[16:54:20]

Dagmar:

s/subject/subjects/;

[16:56:05]

juski:

ybe block leet nicks aswswell :)

[16:56:11]

juski:

wth?

[16:56:25]

juski:

anyway.. enough sport for one day.. hometime!

[17:00:15]

jk47:

anyone have any idea why i would be getting "Could not find find codec parameters (Audio: mp2, 128 kb/s)" when i try to watch LiveTV?

[17:00:45]

Dagmar:

Veyr weird.

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perlmonkey:

I kinda like the features that you let you pause and rewind live tv :P

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S2:

perlmonkey, lol :)

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perlmonkey:

:D

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perlmonkey:

recording by default is good

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ryan__:

has anyone got mythweb streaming live tv?

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ryan__:

or can point me in the right direction?

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gardengnome:

i don't think that's possible without hacking mythweb

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kormoc:

ryan__, nope, and not gonna happen unless you code

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ryan__:

o. or set it up to stream recorded shows in 3gp format? for my phone?

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kormoc:

ryan__, basic answer is, if it doesn't already do it, you'll need to get your hands into the code

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hossasaur:

hi, i'm reading up on media centers and what not and had a few questions that i'm having difficulty finding the answers for.

[17:54:14]

hossasaur:

i currenlty subscribe to directv, own two hr-20 dvr boxes, and enjoy their capabilities

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hossasaur:

i'm more interested in media pc's. is there currently any way to implement satellite television into a pc? i've seen cards that (from what i can tell) unencrypt digital cable signals

[17:56:05]

hossasaur:

do they make similar for satellite? say, something where i can use my current directv card, that unencrypts the directv signal, send it to the pc?

[17:57:06]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, u awake?

[17:57:06]

hossasaur:

by all means, i have no issues with using a satellite subscription, i'd just like to incorporate it into a pc

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hossasaur:

any help would be greatly appreciated

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: yeah, but at work :)

[18:01:37]

juski:

hossasaur: in the USA you basically don't have any means to legally descramble cable or satellite & use it in mythtv. some cable providers let you have unencrypted digital services over cable but YMMV

[18:02:19]

fryfrog:

hossasaur: i think DTV has sold a pci card that does it, but i think it was windows only. or maybe it was just data

[18:02:22]

Cyberai:

I'm still having problems scanning out and tuning in my dvb channels

[18:04:33]

hadees:

hossasaur, because they don't care

[18:04:35]

juski:

hossasaur: yah boo sucks, etc etc etc

[18:04:44]

fryfrog:

hossasaur: and it is against the DMCA for *you* to do ti on your own

[18:04:47]

hossasaur:

fryfrog: you mean you have to capture the signal leaving the stb?

[18:04:49]

Cyberai:

well, I've dvbscan'd, and I can tzap the channels, but any attempt to get video off them fails

[18:04:55]

fryfrog:

hossasaur: yeah, lame huh?

[18:05:12]

jimbalaya:

anyone have their myth machines set to automatically log in as the mythtv user, and automatically start MythTV?

[18:05:18]

jimbalaya:

on boot, I mean to suggest

[18:05:21]

fryfrog:

jimbalaya: i do

[18:05:32]

Cyberai:

so fryfrog, are you pretty much just using your STB via firewire to get the DVB channels?

[18:05:37]

hossasaur:

fryfrog: do any media center options (linuxmce, etc) accept firewire?

[18:05:45]

juski:

jimbalaya: yes thanks. I read various howto guides I found by using google

[18:05:51]

jimbalaya:

I'm wondering if I need gdm, or if I can use xdm (or any of the other *dms)

[18:05:52]

Cyberai:

hossasaur, they all do

[18:06:05]

juski:

jimbalaya: use any DM you like :)

[18:06:21]

hossasaur:

rather, do they take the unencrypted signal prior to analog decoding for use on the pc?

[18:06:24]

juski:

I tried a few & settled on evilwm

[18:06:31]

fryfrog:

hossasaur: i dunno about those things, but *myth* can use firewire from some devices

[18:06:43]

Cyberai:

I've never really seen the wm have an impact

[18:06:47]

fryfrog:

i use firewire for my cable company's DCT6412 HD DVR

[18:06:50]

juski:

hossasaur: you get unencrippled output over firewire where they see fit

[18:07:13]

fryfrog:

jimbalaya: I use gdm to do the auto-login

[18:07:19]

hossasaur:

i see. does mythtv or any of the other options download the programming guide and what not?

[18:07:21]

fryfrog:

jimbalaya: mostly cause it was the easiest to find that option

[18:07:24]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, I got my DCT6412 yesterday, is that how you are getting all of your digital?

[18:07:48]

fryfrog:

Cyberai: Right now, I get *all* of my shows from the STB cause I haven't finished hunting down the channels from my DVB cards

[18:07:54]

hossasaur:

i already have a decent stb, i just hate the interface. it's ridiculously slow and someone retarded designed the logic

[18:07:56]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, aha

[18:08:24]

hossasaur:

juski: i'm unfamiliar. does directv implement datadirect zap2it

[18:08:24]

fryfrog:

(the dvb cards only get the 5 or 6 HD channels)

[18:08:29]

juski:

hossasaur: the only catch (if you can call it that) is that you subscribe & answer surveys occasionally

[18:08:38]

fryfrog:

data direct provides listings for sat, cable and ota

[18:08:39]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, have you tried the "scan.sh" from the wiki? -> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards

[18:08:39]

fryfrog:

in the US

[18:08:45]

juski:

hossasaur: better start reading the FAQs & docs :)

[18:08:46]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, it should automate it for you

[18:08:48]

fryfrog:

yes and now

[18:08:58]

fryfrog:

Cyberai: it fails, cause ffmpeg fails to find some stuff

[18:09:00]

hossasaur:

fryfrog: is it a free subscription?

[18:09:10]

juski:

hossasaur: did I not just say it's free?

[18:09:18]

fryfrog:

hossasaur: like juski said, you have to answer some survey questions but that is it

[18:09:31]

hossasaur:

juski: sorry, i must not have caught that

[18:09:32]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, your STB is flakey how?

[18:09:32]

fryfrog:

every 3 months or so

[18:09:50]

fryfrog:

Cyberai: oh how i love thee, let me count the ways :p

[18:10:06]

hossasaur:

iirc the hr20's don't have firewire, though i know they have ethernet/usb(external sata)

[18:10:09]

fryfrog:

1) sometimes, my pair of STBs will switch which "node" they are on (0,1,2)

[18:10:46]

fryfrog:

i solved this by putting a 2nd firewire controller card in, *now* they both tend to come up as node 1, then after a few bus resets they will goto node 0 and stay

[18:11:00]

fryfrog:

until a reboot/rmmod+modprobe at least

[18:11:01]

juski:

hossasaur: if it ain't firewire, forget it – the only other way is with a HD Homerun box – but I don't think that works with cable or satellite

[18:11:12]

fryfrog:

2) sometimes, they will tune a channel and then just *not* spit out any data for myth

[18:11:20]

fryfrog:

resulting in a 0 byte recording

[18:11:44]

hossasaur:

i wonder how difficult it would be to extract from the stb's flash and emulate the decryption process

[18:11:48]

fryfrog:

i solved this by writing a *very* robust channel change script that changes channels, does a test, does soem other stuff, tests, etc, etc

[18:11:55]

juski:

hossasaur: not a topic you can talk about here

[18:11:59]

hossasaur:

sorry

[18:12:04]

fryfrog:

hossasaur: probably not bad for an EE :)

[18:12:07]

fryfrog:

not something i could do :(

[18:12:17]

juski:

like I said you should read the FAQs.. starting with the channel FAQ

[18:12:19]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, i'd be interested in that script

[18:12:28]

fryfrog:

its on the wiki, search for "firewire"

[18:12:38]

Cyberai:

sweet

[18:12:40]

fryfrog:

its the one by (you guessed it) fryfrog, and in the firewire priming section

[18:12:57]

hossasaur:

sans incriminating details, i had a big hand in flash extraction on the xbox and xbox360

[18:13:00]

fryfrog:

I use broadcast firewire mode, seems to work better on my STB than p2p mode (which is what most of them use)

[18:13:15]

fryfrog:

hossasaur: ah, well then you might do well!

[18:13:27]

fryfrog:

the flash/firmware of the dvd drive, out of curiosity?

[18:13:28]

hossasaur:

though the two communities are very different, and it's difficult to find help on the subject

[18:13:36]

juski:

hossasaur: fine. just don't talk about illegal stuff here. the feds aren't on mythtv's case and folks want things to stay that way

[18:14:03]

hossasaur:

juski: understandable, could you direct me to a place where such discussion is allowed?

[18:14:08]

juski:

nope

[18:14:18]

juski:

not even if I knew ;)

[18:14:26]

hossasaur:

i understand

[18:14:30]

fryfrog:

probably not on freenode, its kind of a legit dev type network

[18:14:40]

fryfrog:

i'd think efnet or undernet more likely, but who knows

[18:14:46]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, if I only have one DCT, would it be safe to assume it will stay on node 0?

[18:14:47]

juski:

more than likely on the undernet if it still exists

[18:14:58]

fryfrog:

Cyberai: no

[18:15:00]

fryfrog:

lame huh?

[18:15:04]

Cyberai:

crud

[18:15:09]

fryfrog:

mine *start* on node 1

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fryfrog:

when they are "alone"

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hossasaur:

xbox dev convo is on efnet, i just can't find similar for satellite stuffs

[18:15:27]

fryfrog:

it'd probably *stay* on node 1 if you don't do any bus resets

[18:15:37]

Cyberai:

kk

[18:15:40]

fryfrog:

but after a few bus resets, mine always end up at node 0

[18:15:44]

fryfrog:

BUT

[18:15:56]

fryfrog:

that is only a problem when you reboot either the STBs or your mythbackend

[18:16:00]

fryfrog:

or remove/re-add the firewire modules

[18:16:08]

fryfrog:

once it is working, it stays on node 0

[18:16:16]

fryfrog:

haven't touched mine in 7 days since i rebooted last

[18:16:17]

juski:

hossasaur: you can buy un-mangled satellite STBs but I dunno how legal they are – probably grey at the very least

[18:16:27]

Cyberai:

if there's a bus reset though, can it then go back to 1?

[18:16:41]

fryfrog:

no, so far it says at 0

[18:16:44]

hossasaur:

juski: i'm assuming there's no hd option there

[18:16:50]

fryfrog:

ie, when i boot it ends up on node 1

[18:17:03]

fryfrog:

then, i do a bus reset and a firewire_tester a few tiems and it drops to node 0

[18:17:06]

fryfrog:

then it just stays node 0

[18:17:30]

fryfrog:

my channel change script does bus resets as part of its process, so it gets hit a lot with a bus reset when it isn't working

[18:17:30]

juski:

hossasaur: I'm not in the US, nor especially interested in satellite stuff but I'd not be surprised if they do HD

[18:17:33]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, how are you doing the bus reset?

[18:17:38]

Cyberai:

ah

[18:17:47]

fryfrog:

it is part of the "latest" firewire_tester.c

[18:18:00]

fryfrog:

you should take a look at the script, it has a lot of info

[18:18:09]

fryfrog:

and if you can follow bash, you might understand more about what my problems are

[18:18:12]

fryfrog:

its pretty well commented, i think too :)

[18:18:25]

Cyberai:

i saw that, where would I go to get the latest? I know it's in the SVN, but I have never gone to the SVN.

[18:18:36]

Cyberai:

I'm pretty decent in bash

[18:18:39]

juski:

hossasaur: a very quick google just found the info you're looking for

[18:18:57]

juski:

satellite, hdtv, firewire..

[18:19:07]

fryfrog:

http://trac.mythtv.org

[18:19:16]

fryfrog:

just navigate to the head source code, then find the ./contrib/ dir

[18:19:21]

fryfrog:

and find "firewire_tester.c"

[18:19:33]

fryfrog:

or optionally, you could use svn to co the "head" and just get that one file

[18:19:42]

fryfrog:

dunno what you'd find easier

[18:20:03]

kormoc:

fryfrog, it's trunk in subversion land :P

[18:20:29]

juski:

jees! $499 for the lowest priced DIY kit to convert a sat box !

[18:20:32]

hossasaur:

juski: thanks for the help

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fryfrog:

kormoc: head is cvs?

[18:21:10]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, did you typo that url? I'm getting a 404

[18:21:15]

xris:

kormoc: isaac calls it "head" in trac

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fryfrog:

oh

[18:21:15]

fryfrog:

uh

[18:21:29]

kormoc:

huh

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fryfrog:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

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kormoc:

fryfrog, yeah, head is a cvs term, but is typically used beyond that

[18:22:15]

fryfrog:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ire_tester.c

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juski:

those are scary looking mods to do.. looks like a 40 way IDC cable.. zoiks!

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: you should try w/o a channel chance script first, chances are decent it'll be fine

[18:23:44]

Cyberai:

I hope so

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fryfrog:

firewire and STBs and how well they work seems to be based on a lot of factors

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hossasaur:

it's just silly....why they hell wouldn't they sell a pc option for satellite decryption? if they sold their own proprietary hardware they wouldn't lose money

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fryfrog:

where you are, the cable company, the stb...

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Cyberai:

so far I'm batting zero on getting any dvb

[18:24:07]

juski:

you have to attach 34 wires to the main PCB... ouchy

[18:24:07]

hossasaur:

assuming they implemented a satellite card

[18:24:31]

juski:

hossasaur: it might also be a restriction the content providers have

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hossasaur:

juski: where are you seeing this?

[18:24:45]

juski:

hossasaur: I googled ;)

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Cyberai:

all of this $%^& about encryption will be fixed when A.) Black Magic releases a linux driver for their HDMI input card, or B.) Someone else makes one and releases linux drivers for it.

[18:25:57]

gardengnome:

when is that gonna happen?

[18:26:04]

juski:

Cyberai: and folks are happy with 1TB per hour of recordings

[18:26:21]

juski:

1080 HDTV in mjpeg fer chrissakes!

[18:26:34]

Cyberai:

if we were to have the option of HDMI and SPDIF inputs, all encryption probelsm end because we can capture the signals AFTER decryption.

[18:26:49]

juski:

Cyberai: not with HDCP you can't

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juski:

end of story

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juski:

game over

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Cyberai:

not familiar with HDCP

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hossasaur:

well the hr20 has hdmi output...

[18:28:01]

Cyberai:

ah wait, I have heard of it

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Cyberai:

well, I could be wrong (Lord knows I have been in the past) but I don't expect HDCP to ever take off. it's an extra cost in production and licensing for the hardware manufacturers. Ala the old betamax/VHS competition.

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fryfrog:

er, its more like macrovision

[18:29:44]

fryfrog:

which is included in every fracking vcr in existance

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Cyberai:

probably a better analogy, yeah

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fryfrog:

i get about 300 or so channels via my firewire stb

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fryfrog:

i get about 6 from the dvb cards

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Cyberai:

eeeew

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juski:

Cyberai: what'd be the point if they're all just regional variants of the same networks? ;)

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KaZeR:

brb

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kormoc:

Cyberai, the answer is HDCP can blacklist devices. There's already been one device that does that, and has been revoked it's key, and the keys can be revoked by media, so if you play a HDDVD or Blueray dvd that says KEY x is no longer valid, your player will no longer talk to that blacklisted device

[18:56:22]

Cyberai:

juski, there's about 25 unique OTA HD channels in my area

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xris:

wow

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kormoc:

Cyberai, also, the cost to get a HDCP key is quite high, and so people that pay for a key are unlikely to do anything that might get it revoked, as they just lost all that money

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Cyberai:

kormoc, what's to prevent the device from being able to suck a code out of a valid device, such as your buddy's dvd player? You could just hook it up to the HDMI interface, it could query the interface and write the key that is transmitted back to a small flash mem.

[18:58:02]

juski:

all we need to happen for fair use to make a big comeback is 1) watertight legislation 2)an end to illegal file sharing

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kormoc:

Cyberai, it's a secure communication, akin to SSH to verify the device. without the proper secret keys, it can't emulate the valid device

[18:58:36]

juski:

Cyberai: the problem being is that if you get found out making/selling such devices you go to jail

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kormoc:

Cyberai, and if a secret key is leaked, it gets revoked and thus the hole is plugged again

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Cyberai:

well juski, to get #2 there we need the media companies to stop trying to gouge us on prducts and offer them for download un-DRM'd for a fair price. iTunes proved the latter years ago and the former last week (or do I have that backwards?)

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Cyberai:

in all honesty, I see the entire DRM thing collapsing within 24 months. Market pressure will destroy it. First other companies will get similar deals with other distributors because those distributors want in. Them price get's driven down, eliminating the extra 30 cents you pay for DRM-free music

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Cyberai:

soon, the price for DRM'd and non-DRM product will be so close no one will buy the DRM

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juski:

anyway.. back in #mythtv-users....

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Cyberai:

then the companies will say "Why are we carrying something no one buys?"

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Cyberai:

and poof

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Cyberai:

the DMCA will still exist, but will become irrelevant, because the media producers will be forced to provide DRM free content.

[19:04:02]

Cyberai:

or die

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kormoc:

Cyberai, 'nuff ranting :P

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Cyberai:

lol

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Cyberai:

sorry

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Cyberai:

thum, scrape (puts away soap box)

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris got a moment?

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SlicerDicer-:

or fryfrog :)

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fryfrog:

what is the up?

[19:11:49]

SlicerDicer-:

up is the up!

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SlicerDicer-:

mind if I send you a private message fryfrog?

[19:13:28]

fryfrog:

er, i guess go ahead

[19:13:32]

SlicerDicer-:

ok

[19:13:37]

fryfrog:

i only charge $1/hr for cybersex

[19:13:42]

SlicerDicer-:

LOL

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SlicerDicer-:

its just something I am not willing to disclose yet in the channel I dont want to be bothered yet

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fryfrog:

ahhhh

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fryfrog:

you got a sex change and are looking for hot men to date. awesome!

[19:14:22]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

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BSD_Tech:

ok I ran a yum update and it fixed my remote

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BSD_Tech:

lirc works

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tkcvcv:

I want to do TV capture from a security camera using usb2 external device; is ther ea list of compatible usb2 tv capture devices somewhere?

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juski:

www.linuxtv.org & bytesex.org in their respective wiki pages

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juski:

and if it's for a webcam sex biz I want a cut of the profits

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tkcvcv:

haha

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tkcvcv:

it's for a research project

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tkcvcv:

robotifcs

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tkcvcv:

I want the v4l wiki?

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juski:

usb? eew prolly way too much latency for robot vision

[19:29:22]

tkcvcv:

usb2

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tkcvcv:

bad idea?

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juski:

usb2? eew prolly way too much latency for robot vision

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juski:

you need realtime framegrabbing I reckon

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tkcvcv:

how much latency?

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juski:

as little as possible

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tkcvcv:

yes, I want realtime framegrabbing

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juski:

forget all about usb then

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tkcvcv:

pci my only choice?

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juski:

yup

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tkcvcv:

hmm

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tkcvcv:

well

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juski:

you need as little latency as possible – and considering you will no doubt be processing images, that will only add more

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tkcvcv:

there's also network latency

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tkcvcv:

perhaps usb2 latency will be masked by network latency?

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juski:

no it'd be added to it

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, I have to ask an incredibly stupid question, not being a developer of any kind.... but how do I convert firewire_tester.c into firewire_tester ?

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juski:

Cyberai: er.. compile-ify it :)

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tkcvcv:

gcc blah.c -o blah

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Cyberai:

yuck

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Cyberai:

okies

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Cyberai:

thanks

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BSD_Tech:

ok now that the remote works myth is nice

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tkcvcv:

what is the latency on usb2 devices like?

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tkcvcv:

I'm just curous now

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juski:

tkcvcv: a number of frames, minimum

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BSD_Tech:

its would depend on the cpu and memory of the system used

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Cyberai:

uh oh juski I got 'stray 342" and "stray 200" lines out the wazoo diring that compile

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tkcvcv:

BSD_Tech, this is an external device; why would it depend on cpu/memory of system used?

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juski:

Cyberai: ask the nice man who wrote firewire_tester.c :)

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BSD_Tech:

usb can be memory intesive and cpu intesive

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juski:

tkcvcv: because USB is CPU dependant. muhahahaha

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juski:

most usb capture devices are too laggy to even allow playing game consoles through them

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BSD_Tech:

vallor

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goreguts:

hello, i'm wondering if someone can give me some information... what i want to do is just set up a mythtv backend to schedule and record tv, and just poop out a divx or xvid file

[19:51:25]

goreguts:

is that possible?

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goreguts:

or would i be better off using something other than mythtv for that

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xris:

goreguts: you can do it with nuvexport

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kormoc:

one would hope that a computer doesn't poop, as that would get messy fast

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goreguts:

oh cool

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goreguts:

you're tellin me :)

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goreguts:

do i need to install a frontend though? can i just use the backend and the web interface?

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juski:

isn't a coredump a bit like a poop though?

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Dagmar:

No, it's more like freezing someone stupid in carbonite

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xris:

goreguts: cutting commercials requires a frontend.

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LaKeTown:

if I have a video card with only one decoder, I know I can`t watch anything else except what I`m recording. Anyway of getting past that? like using a splitter so that I change channels through my TV and jump back to MythTv as if it`s an input channel?

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juski:

is somebody putting something in the water over there today?

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SlicerDicer-:

what juski?

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SlicerDicer-:

raid1 root/boot ftw!

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fryfrog:

juski: why would a RAID1 / be a bad idea?

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fryfrog:

or /boot for that matter

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harzi:

juski: when splitting /boot from /, it is no prob. with raid1

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fryfrog:

even when it *isn't* split it isn't a problem

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fryfrog:

a RAID1 is transparent

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fryfrog:

you can take the disk and just mount the partitions if you wanted

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juski:

ah raid1

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SlicerDicer-:

grub is raid aware too IIRC

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fryfrog:

in the initial boot phase, it reads from the drives just like any other drive

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harzi:

booting from raid5 is something different

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fryfrog:

yes and no

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juski:

just not raid0 or anything else ;)

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fryfrog:

ah, right :)

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fryfrog:

i don't think grub can boot raid5/0

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SlicerDicer-:

raid5 boot stupido!

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fryfrog:

but if you had real hardware raid, that wouldn't be a problem

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juski:

yeah.. IF

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hadees:

raid5 rules

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: hardware raid ftl!

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juski:

obviously

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fryfrog:

doesn't seem to be anyone awake in #evms :p

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SlicerDicer-:

best of both-o worlds

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juski:

I just back up my dearest several times over & am mostly ok :)

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hadees:

fryfrog, thats the problem with small channels, just have to wait

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juski:

patience!

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fryfrog:

yeah, oh well :)

[21:32:45]

juski:

it's not just a card game :-P

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fryfrog:

i'm no doctor, what am i going to do with patience!

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SlicerDicer-:

I have daily backup of my database to my raid5 just to have it elsewhere :)

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kormoc:

grub can only boot raid 0 and 5 if it's layed out exactly right (with the boot sector/grub stuff on the first drive in the correct location)

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont play around with DB stupidity anymore after horrible experiences :)

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fryfrog:

kormoc: ahhh

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: it boots my raid1?

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kormoc:

raid 1 is different

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fryfrog:

he wasn't saying it only boots raid 0 / 5

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kormoc:

software raid 1 is mirroring, so it's exactly the same as a single drive

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** SlicerDicer- should read **

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fryfrog:

he was saying it will only boot a raid0 or 5 if it is setup a special specific way

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fryfrog:

hadees: my server is only one server, it does everything

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SlicerDicer-:

why not hadees?

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fryfrog:

its my file, samba, web, ftp, myth, etc

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** SlicerDicer- agrees with fryfrog **

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SlicerDicer-:

its my everything server

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fryfrog:

i used to have 2 or 3 servers, seperated out

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hadees:

SlicerDicer-, raid1 just seems like overkill

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SlicerDicer-:

it handles netboot, ftp, myth archive etc

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fryfrog:

but it was to loud, and hot

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hadees:

SlicerDicer-, raid5 i could understand

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fryfrog:

if its your *everything* server, it sure ain't overkill :)

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SlicerDicer-:

hadees: raid1 speed for DB is nice :)

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fryfrog:

besides, mine is just a raid1 of 80G

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SlicerDicer-:

SW raid that is

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fryfrog:

nothing special

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SlicerDicer-:

mine is 20gb

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fryfrog:

the raid5 is the big un, 6x 320G for 1.5TB :)

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hadees:

SlicerDicer-, i guess but whats really the difference in speed between 5 and 1

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fryfrog:

he3he

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hadees:

SlicerDicer-, eh on my raid5 file server i just have a crappy disk that i archive the to the raid5, i could care less if it goes down

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SlicerDicer-:

hadees: I will be going to a 120gb raid1 for it soon enough

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SlicerDicer-:

not to mention my case can handle 10 drives

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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hadees:

i am thinking about upping my file server to 4tb raid 5 and moving the 2 tb i currently have for the file server to store mythtv

[21:38:43]

hadees:

with raid1 you don't have any IOBOUND problems with mythbackend?

[21:39:06]

hadees:

i have lvm across two disks and i run into them all the time

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SlicerDicer-:

I am considering thrashing my current setup to a degree though

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SlicerDicer-:

500gb for raid5 and starting over

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hadees:

SlicerDicer-, well since buying 500gig drives to make a 4 tb raid 5 system would cost me around 1.2k i am thinking of just buying 3 500 gig drives, using them for mythtv until i have enough money to switch the current file server to mythtv and make the 3 500 gig drives to be part of the larger 4 tb file server

[21:41:26]

hadees:

then again 2 tb is kind of overkill for mythtv i think

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hadees:

but i don't like selling hard drives so if i don't use them for mythtv they would go to waste

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SlicerDicer-:

well to me its a question of what I want to do

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SlicerDicer-:

I do not have 3 320 drives

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SlicerDicer-:

so the question is get more 320 drives or just do 500's

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hadees:

what i really want is to get rid of the IOBOUND problems which i am almost postive are a result of lvm across two different kinds of drives

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SlicerDicer-:

I can get 2 500's and make the parity drive out of the 320's temporary then the 320's in raid1 or what to do? ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

I got a mess of drives haha

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hadees:

same here

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SlicerDicer-:

none are uniform in size

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hadees:

SlicerDicer-, hope you don't have the IOBOUND problems

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hadees:

if they access at different speeds

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hadees:

could be a problem

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hadees:

would it be possible to have a backend that had 3x pvr150s, 2xAir2PC, and two firewire cable boxs? could they all record at the same time?

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SlicerDicer-:

sure as long as the harddrives could handle the data

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hadees:

what about the pci bus

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hadees:

for the cards

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SlicerDicer-:

I am not sure on that one

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hadees:

is there anyway to figure out what kind hardware i would need to pull it off or would i just have to try it out

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hadees:

what i mean is to figure out if the disks could handle it

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hadees:

it would be hardware raid5

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hadees:

sata

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juski:

there we go now.... got a nice music bed for the video

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** gardengnome waves at juski **

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juski:

heya gardengnome :)

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Dibblah:

juski: NIN?

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Dibblah:

;)

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** juski laughs.. yeah something pastoral & relaxing **

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juski:

like #mythtv-users when I'm one on

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Dibblah:

Hey, if it's good enough for that "any dream will do" reality crap,...

[21:55:47]

** gardengnome beers juski **

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juski:

cheers!

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juski:

I have so many gaps to fill

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juski:

xris: you around? wondering how I should pitch the text in the vid.. should I go light on the 'rip' features?

[21:57:08]

xris:

video?

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xris:

as in dvd ripping?

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juski:

and cd

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Dibblah:

Promo

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juski:

I threatened to make a HD promo, so I am doing :)

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juski:

it beats wrestling with sourcecode & themes

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Dibblah:

... There's no disputin that.

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xris:

juski: I'd avoid "rip"... maybe "archive"?

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juski:

heh. well if nobody wants it I'll still make it regardless so :-P

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xris:

features, though, definitely worth talking about

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juski:

xris: ok I'll brush over ripping of dvd & cd

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juski:

as in not mention it in bullet points so to speak

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xris:

you could always check with Isaac, although I don't think he'd really care one way or another.

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juski:

actually from a legal standpoint, mythtv doesn't actually facilitate breaking dvd encryption so maybe it'd be ok

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xris:

yeah.

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xris:

nothing illegal about archiving non-encrypted dvds

[22:04:32]

juski:

:)

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SlicerDicer-:

yep I got plenty of them :) thanks mytharchive

[22:04:56]

juski:

I tried to make a draft this afternoon but the box crashed

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juski:

should the word 'free' be 'FREE' or 'Free' ? I can never remember the difference

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juski:

there are zealots in them thar hills & I dont wanna be slated for a mistake like that

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SlicerDicer-:

lol juski

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juski:

or am I just reading the wrong press?

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gardengnome:

yeah

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gardengnome:

don't listen to people whose handles are three letter acronyms

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juski:

ok. I'll stay in my own reality then :)

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gardengnome:

if someone complains about the spelling/capitalisation, you really need to put that middle finger to some use :)

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Tried the autodiscovery patch ?

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.amazon.com/HDMI-DVI-Male-Cable-Len . . . 2&sr=1-4 would you say thats too generic?

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hadees:

what is the best wide theme, i know best is subject but try anyway

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hadees:

subject = subjective

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juski:

why?

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juski:

ok in the event of not being able to decide for yourself here are the choices

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rsdvd_:

but in my opinion they are 2 of the best myth themes going

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juski:

the ones he worked on were good enough to sell, so you decide

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hadees:

which ones are jams'

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juski:

the ones on jmeyer.us ;)

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juski:

midnight-wide & er..

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juski:

syth-wide

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hadees:

are they from that company that hired mythtv developers then went belly up

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juski:

ahem

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juski:

anyway that's not to say no other themes look good enough that people would pay money for em.. they just don't have to :)

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hadees:

juski, wait are you saying you were part of that company or that you made the themes

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juski:

my wife bloody wishes they did though :-P

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fryfrog:

any screen shots of those ?

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juski:

jams was involved a great deal, if not totally, in making syth & midnight

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juski:

that's about all I know

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juski:

and they were offerred as part of the LXM subscription deal

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hadees:

yeah i subscribed

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hadees:

but i still don't get what you are alluding to

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juski:

I'm alluding to the fact that there are more than just two decent wide themes now & you dont need to pay for any of them

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hadees:

and your wife wishes they would have sold

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juski:

she wishes people had to pay for them yeah

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juski:

like everything else to do with mythtv I do / have done

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hadees:

ah so your jams

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GreyFoxx:

no

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juski:

NO

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juski:

jams is jams

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GreyFoxx:

but he has made several really nice themes

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juski:

I've made some 'ok' themes & one I really really like

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GreyFoxx:

and gone to severa tradeshow type eventsto show off myth

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Dagmar:

Is there something I'm missing with the telnet interface here?

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hadees:

i thought jams was jams but then you started talking about your wife wishing jams' themes would sell

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Dagmar:

I'm finally getting around to looking into it and it doesn't seem to do anything at all

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juski:

and this synth loop I'm playing is getting me trancy

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juski:

hadees: that's not what I said

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: depends on what you call anything I guess :)

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GreyFoxx:

You can list shows, stat playback, simulate keystrokes, call jump points

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GreyFoxx:

etc

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Dagmar:

Well, I'm literally just getting a stoned socket when I telnet to 6543

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Dagmar:

It answers, and doesn't say *anything* back

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GreyFoxx:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

wrong port

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GreyFoxx:

6543 is the myth protocol port

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Dagmar:

Ah...

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Dagmar:

DOh

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GreyFoxx:

6546 is the telnet interface default

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a nifty simple commandline app that compiles under *nix and windows that uses the telnet interface to send keystrokes

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GreyFoxx:

I use it a lot when I can't find my remote :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

every key I press happens on the frontends :)

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hadees:

GreyFoxx, is that online somewhere?

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Dagmar:

Ah.... 6546 works MUCH better. doh

[23:01:09]

Dagmar:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

hadees: I'm sure I put it up, but if not I will

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Dagmar:

key up

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Dagmar:

@#$

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hadees:

any other programs use the telnet interface?

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Dagmar:

I'm about to start work on one

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GreyFoxx:

I got it from someone in here who whipped it off one night, I use it all the time

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GreyFoxx:

there are several "Remote" controlls that use it. Java/gui based, webbased and such

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hadees:

Dagmar, kind of figured that =)

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GreyFoxx:

And the company that had Chris write the telnet controls uses it in their touch screen control system

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juski:

hadees: of all the wide themes I'd say neon-wide, blootube-wide, mepo-wide & then jams' themes (in no particular order) all make the grade for showing off mythtv to its best

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hadees:

juski, thanks

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juski:

hadees: in a few days I'll have a 720p promo video ready

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GreyFoxx:

hadees: www.phaze.org/mythtv/cmdline-mythremote.tgz

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juski:

less than 4 mins long.. I'll post when it's ready to download

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hadees:

GreyFoxx, thanks

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hadees:

juski, cool, i'll check it out

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juski:

it'll look a bit like the one on my website, only 720p ;)

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juski:

I've no idea how big a download it'll be – I might end up mailing a DVD out

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Dagmar:

Well, there are places that host large files for free now

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Dagmar:

Most of them would probably be pleased to see someone uploading something that *isn't* porn

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juski:

might be too unrealistic to upload something that size on my connection

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juski:

we'll see

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hads:

GreyFoxx: I made a python one a while back, no compiling nessecary

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hads:

http://dpaste.com/hold/8339/

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jams:

juski- you should list them in the order they were developed =)

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juski:

heh ok then.. your themes, then blootube, then mepo-wide, then AppleTV

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jams:

btw juski I have packaged all your themes for MythVantage

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jams:

those things add 100MB to the iso

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jams:

well mine and mepo are also included in that number

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juski:

ahh it has a name now. I like it

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jams:

someday it will be released, some day. I might have to make the code changes so that it works with the -fixes branch

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jams:

not for sure I want to keep waiting on the .21 release

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jams:

anybody know of a good use for an palm m500? mine has been in box for years but I really don't want to just throw it out either

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Dagmar:

jams: Isn't that one serial only?

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Dagmar:

jams: You should be able to at least run YAPS on that so you've got something to keep track of your passwords with

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jams:

Dagmar- it's usb

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