Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, April 10th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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tanq:

ok so now i'm to the point of checking out my hdtv card.

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tanq:

i'm looking for a good mplayer hdtv dvb troubleshooting guide and my google results aren't turning anything good.

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jimbalaya:

thanks Jinx ... I just added to a pre-existing (VERY helpful) guide

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tanq:

it just says playing but I don't see a video window pop up

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tanq:

any takers?

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Jinx:

hmm..

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Jinx:

i got sound :)

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Jinx:

cant change channel yet tho :§

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janneg:

jd86: yes, I'm off to bed now

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a1fa:

hi

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a1fa:

i just bought a new TV

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a1fa:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4810694

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a1fa:

nothing special

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a1fa:

but it does 1080i

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a1fa:

i hooked it via DVI to my mythtv box

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a1fa:

running off of GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x

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a1fa:

what resolution should i be running at?

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a1fa:

right now i am set at 800x600 :)

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t0ny-p40:

a1fa, what is your tv?

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SlicerDicer-:

how well do mythbackends run on OSX Beirdo?

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t0ny-p40:

Backends dont run well on osx because there is a lack of drivers.

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh

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a1fa:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4810694

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Beirdo:

haven't tried it in over a year, and at that point, my G3 was too shitty to run the frontend, and backend wasn't even compiling

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SlicerDicer-:

Beirdo: what were you planning on using for capture?

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a1fa:

Modes "1920x1080_60i"

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Beirdo:

my linux box

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a1fa:

i am using this right now

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Beirdo:

of course ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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a1fa:

without thad modeline I am shit out of luck

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t0ny-p40:

p

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t0ny-p40:

I think

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antiProzak:

anyone here use an mceusb2 transeiver?

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antiProzak:

is p progressive and i interlaced?

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a1fa:

yah

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antiProzak:

progressive is better

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antiProzak:

is interlaced also called Inverse Telecine

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a1fa:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4810694

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a1fa:

this is the tv i bought

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antiProzak:

I'm getting off my original question, anyone use lirc with mceusb2?

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antiProzak:

to control MythTV of course ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

not bad a1fa

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a1fa:

streamzap here

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antiProzak:

#lirc isnt very busy these days

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SlicerDicer-:

too bad you aided the devil

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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a1fa:

SlicerDicer-: i tried to get better deal, but manager wouldnt cut down on the price

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a1fa:

SlicerDicer-: 666walmart6666

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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a1fa:

anyway

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antiProzak:

streamzap as a reciever and a transmitter?

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a1fa:

now i need some help setting it up

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a1fa:

Anduin: reciever

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SlicerDicer-:

its not hard to set them up a1fa

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a1fa:

i have the picture running

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SlicerDicer-:

what you be using?

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a1fa:

xort

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SlicerDicer-:

for sending video from frontend to tv

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a1fa:

DVI

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antiProzak:

is your tuner digital?

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SlicerDicer-:

a1fa: that makes it even simpler :)

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antiProzak:

are you encoding much better than 480x480?

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antiProzak:

a1fa: is you video card GeForce based by any chance

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database

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a1fa:

its Gforce

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SlicerDicer-:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV

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SlicerDicer-:

one of those should be helpful

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a1fa:

i have it setup

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a1fa:

but i dont know about modelines

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a1fa:

without the modeline

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a1fa:

you are not getting the best performance out of your tv

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a1fa:

SlicerDicer-: it doesnt have my tv

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SlicerDicer-:

nor does it mine :)

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SlicerDicer-:

I faked it

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a1fa:

Modes "1920x1080_60i"

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a1fa:

i used this

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a1fa:

but its overscanning a bit

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antiProzak:

I dont have modelines in my xorg.conf file

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antiProzak:

why the heck are you doing those kind of resolutions, you are going to make your self blind

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antiProzak:

640x480 is the Mode line in my xorg.conf

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a1fa:

hm

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a1fa:

dude i have a huge tv

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antiProzak:

so do I

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** kormoc blinks **

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a1fa:

so why are you running 640x480?

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kormoc:

my eye's bleed at 800x600 on my tv

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a1fa:

kormoc: what are you running?

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antiProzak:

because I like encoding at 480x480, it looks nice

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kormoc:

a1fa, a standard dev tv off of a geforce 6200

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antiProzak:

whenever I go up in resolution on the encoder, it just makes bigger files with no noticable quality

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a1fa:

what resolution?

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antiProzak:

and of course, I increase my resolution in X to test the higher res videos

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a1fa:

i used to run 800x600

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kormoc:

antiProzak, that's weird, as resolution and filesize is un-related, filesize is purely the bitrate you are capturing at

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a1fa:

on a small tv

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antiProzak:

kormoc: I take that back, you are correct

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antiProzak:

no one uses mceusb2 for sending/receiving IR?

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a1fa:

i need some help setting this up

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a1fa:

looks like left top corner is blury

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a1fa:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV

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a1fa:

i copied the same monitor section

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SlicerDicer-:

a1fa: http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HLT4675S-Slim-7 . . . /B000N4Z4KO/ thats what I am getting :)

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a1fa:

the tv is making my eyes hurt a bit

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tanq:

i need a bit o help.. I have run dvbscan but I get "tuning failed" for every frequency..

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a1fa:

excelent

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tanq:

i'm pretty darn sure it isn't my antenna

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tanq:

it works for the tv in the same spot and direction..

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a1fa:

awww

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a1fa:

should i not be running this mod?

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a1fa:

Modes "1920x1080_60i"

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a1fa:

anyone?

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Jinx:

pff.. time to go to bed... solving crackling sound is for tomorrow

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a1fa:

;(

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a1fa:

awww

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Jinx:

blurry you say?

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Jinx:

thats weird

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Ediehow:

i don't get it, why do some of my recordings skip at certain points?

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a1fa:

maybe its the tv

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a1fa:

kormoc: should i not run this mode?

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a1fa:

Modes "1920x1080_60i"

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a1fa:

why should I run 800x600?

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a1fa:

over this mode?

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Ediehow:

i don't think it's the TV

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Ediehow:

it's a STB and it's like it skips from 3:02 to 3:05

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Ediehow:

things like that

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a1fa:

Ediehow: yeah.. like i cant read myttv weather

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a1fa:

:P

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Ediehow:

there's no 3.04 and 3:04

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a1fa:

oh you are talking about your shit

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a1fa:

maybe commercial detection

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a1fa:

disable commercial detection

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Ediehow:

no, it's not automatic, and it's in the video file

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Ediehow:

i mean, i don't have commercial detection auto jump

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody know where I can get a billionty11 length "15–25ft" hdmi to dvi cable cheap?

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fysafysa:

monoprice.com

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh

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tanq:

so how much space does an hour of HD take up...

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm

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SlicerDicer-:

tanq: depends

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SlicerDicer-:

let me get a comparison

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, or just get a 25" dvi to dvi or hdmi to hdmi cable and a stand alone converter if it's cheaper

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SlicerDicer-:

4.2gb the dual tuner dvr one. 7.8gb DCT6200

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SlicerDicer-:

so it varies obviously

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** SlicerDicer- moved from Comcast area to Cableone and the box I have now has lower filesize HD **

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SlicerDicer-:

strange but meh

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, that's expected, as it all depends on what the cable co sends down the stream

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SlicerDicer-:

yep kormoc I supose so

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SlicerDicer-:

ok kormoc will do on the hdmi/hdmi or dvi/dvi + dongle thingo

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a1fa:

does tv playback go on a different resolution?

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a1fa:

because I am running at 1080i

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SlicerDicer-:

omg ftw! http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . 2&style=

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, last time I looked in on it, the dongle way was around $10-$15 cheaper to get a dongle rather then a long converter cable

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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a1fa:

it affects mythfonted

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a1fa:

but it does not affect tv playback

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a1fa:

i need ot adjust overscvan

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fysafysa:

dongle is a much better idea.

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fysafysa:

you won't need a new cable if you ever go pure HDMI. ;)

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a1fa:

what?

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a1fa:

ok guys

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a1fa:

who can look at my xorg config

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kormoc:

a1fa, tv playback will use your X resolution if you check 'Use gui size for playback' in the frontend settings

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/432059

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a1fa:

kormoc: i dont see that option.. its outside of tv borders :P

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a1fa:

well, i dont see if it is checked or not

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kormoc:

a1fa, do you have a HDTV?

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a1fa:

yes

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kormoc:

so why not use a digital input like HDMI or DVI?

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a1fa:

I am

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a1fa:

i am using DVI-HDMI

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kormoc:

so then use the gui size adjustments in the frontend settings to get the gui fully on the screen

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a1fa:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4810694

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

kormoc: http://www.pastebin.ca/432059

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a1fa:

can you look at my config

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a1fa:

should i be running 1080i resolution or 800x600?

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kormoc:

it's a 1080i display, it should run at 1080i

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kormoc:

but you need to resize the gui due to overscanning

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a1fa:

ok.. i went to setup->appearance

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a1fa:

and i adjusted it by 1px h and 1px w

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a1fa:

and something funny happened

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a1fa:

all of a sudden it was small

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc hmm

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a1fa:

2007-04–09 20:19:08.722 Total desktop dim: 1280x720, with 1 screen[s].

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a1fa:

wtf

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SlicerDicer-:

the cables are same price dvi/dvi hdmi/hdmi dvi/hdmi or hdmi/dvi?

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a1fa:

my video card cant support 1080i?

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a1fa:

is that why is it defaulting back to 1280x720

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a1fa:

kormoc: is that what is happening?

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Jinx:

what kind of gfx card do you have?

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a1fa:

GeForce4 MX 4000

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Jinx:

hmm

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a1fa:

2007-04–09 20:23:45.165 Total desktop dim: 1280x720, with 1 screen[s].

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a1fa:

wtf!!!

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t0ny-p40:

Any one know why I was getting like 30–40fps flagging commercials but now I only get like <15fps

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ubuntuEdgy:

is the server stressed ?

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc I have a plan! lets see what you think cause I know you know more about this than me

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: currently the cableboxes that I have throw rainbow on the TV due to magnet I guess "Magnet vs CRT FIGHT!" anyway

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SlicerDicer-:

I am wondering do DLP's get affected by magnets?

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SlicerDicer-:

will it go ballistic and distort color/picture?

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SlicerDicer-:

or could I chuck the cablebox ontop of the tv then chuck the backend/frontend behind the tv as well as 2 more cableboxes

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SlicerDicer-:

then I would only need a 3ft cable

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SlicerDicer-:

get a external dvd drive FTW

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t0ny-p40:

ubuntuEdgy, nothing changed

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a1fa:

i dont get it

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a1fa:

why is it kicking back my resolution down to 1280x720

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t0ny-p40:

the other weird this my other box I have mythjobqueue running and it was getting <20 and now its getting >40

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one tel me how do i remotely use mythtvweb. i have read this"From another PC you will need to determine your IP. Your host would then be your IP." but dose not make prefect sense

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ubuntuEdgy:

t0ny-p40:whats the specs

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t0ny-p40:

my backend is 2.1ghz and this one is 1.6ghz

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ubuntuEdgy:

ram?

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a1fa:

why the fuck is it kicking down my resolution?

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a1fa:

no matter what I put it uses 1280x720

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t0ny-p40:

512mb, 250mb

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a1fa:

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR~

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t0ny-p40:

ubuntuEdgy, nothing changed is the thing

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a1fa:

guys

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a1fa:

can anyone help me

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a1fa:

i dont know why this video card wont go into 1080i

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mwolf:

hi guys. does anyone know how to tweak ivtv?

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t0ny-p40:

a1fa, can the card do 1080i?

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a1fa:

it says it can

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a1fa:

Maximum Resolution: 2048 x 1536 Pixels

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ubuntuEdgy:

drivers?

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ubuntuEdgy:

any way im just a noob

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, aye, LCD's and the like do not get affected by magnets or similar

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kormoc:

a1fa, unlikely (not supporting 1080i that is) due to it is starting at 1080i

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a1fa:

what can i do?

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ubuntuEdgy:

spend

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a1fa:

it says maximum resolution is 2048 x 1536

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc DLP's use lcd?

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kormoc:

a1fa, check the xorg.log and see what it says

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t0ny-p40:

SlicerDicer-, dlp != lcd :)

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t0ny-p40:

they use mirrors and stuff.

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a1fa:

it doesnt tell me resolution

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t0ny-p40:

I got to help change a light engine on one of those :)

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, whoops, They shouldn't be magnetic bothered

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kormoc:

depends on the mirror

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a1fa:

how can i tell what resolution is it running on?

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kormoc:

should say so in the log

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/432103

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a1fa:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select"

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a1fa:

lol

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a1fa:

bullshit

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc I hate my stupid cableboxes

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SlicerDicer-:

they force me to get DVR's

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a1fa:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1920x1080"; removing.

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a1fa:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1080i"; removing.

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a1fa:

ok.. it thinks it has no valid modes

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a1fa:

bullshit i say

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nero:

awws yes.. typing from the new 40" LCD..

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a1fa:

kormoc: dude

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a1fa:

i need to figure out why is this shit getting rejected

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a1fa:

can anyone help me determine why are these modlines getting rejected

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/432117

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jimbalaya:

VertRefresh?

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jimbalaya:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Mode is rejected: VertRefresh (120.1 Hz) out of range

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jimbalaya:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): (59.000–61.000 Hz).

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jimbalaya:

only 60Hz VertRefresh modes are allowed for that TMDS encoder

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jimbalaya:

Mode is rejected: Incorrect X server VESA mode. is another one

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a1fa:

ok.. what does that mean?

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jimbalaya:

Mode is rejected: PixelClock (122.0 MHz) too high for EDID is another

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a1fa:

right

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a1fa:

its all spanis village for me

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a1fa:

spanish

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a1fa:

what does it mean in english

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a1fa:

is it vertical refresh on the screen or the gpu?

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jimbalaya:

ah, well, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is where to start

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a1fa:

whats the problem?

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jimbalaya:

well, i'm not a pro at this (someone might be at #xorg) but i THOUGHT that vertrefresh was monitor

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jimbalaya:

but then the "60hz" message suggests it's encoder

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jimbalaya:

and then i don't know what an "EDID" is, or what piece of hardware cares

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jimbalaya:

you should pastebin your xorg.conf file as well

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a1fa:

i did

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jimbalaya:

oh, i only caught the errors link

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a1fa:

let me find it

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jimbalaya:

........cooking

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/432059

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jimbalaya:

while i'm looking at those – hop over to #xorg and give both links, ask for help

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a1fa:

cool.. thanks

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a1fa:

if it is the video card

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a1fa:

i can go and buy a new video card

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jimbalaya:

let me get this 'modeline' link that i had ..... it *might* be helpful, then i'll explain where i think the problem is...

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SlicerDicer-:

sandeen_: no sourcecode yet

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a1fa:

i still have it up

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a1fa:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV

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jimbalaya:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database

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sandeen_:

SlicerDicer-, :)

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jimbalaya:

a1fa: do you have that exact TV?

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SlicerDicer-:

sandeen_: I think they will reply though

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jimbalaya:

Philips 30" CRT (Model No. 30PW9100D).

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a1fa:

no :(

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a1fa:

i have the one in xorg.log

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a1fa:

it gave me all the information

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jimbalaya:

"it"?

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a1fa:

(--) NVIDIA(0): Valid HSync Range : 15 kHz – 46 kHz

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a1fa:

(--) NVIDIA(0): Valid VRefresh Range : 59 Hz – 61 Hz

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jimbalaya:

the listing there, the xorg.conf that's there for example, looks VERY similar to the one that you pastebin'd ........ and if you don't have that same setup, then that might not work...

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a1fa:

i changed that

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a1fa:

to these values

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jimbalaya:

ok, i THINK hsync/vsync are monitor settings

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jimbalaya:

here it is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_with_Modelines

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jimbalaya:

that has a link to a calculator in it as well

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jimbalaya:

you enter in all the info that you have, and it spits a modeline at you

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jimbalaya:

i think you're close, but i have a feeling that you need to modify the values that are in place in your file in order to match up to your hardware

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jimbalaya:

.....i have to get back to cookin'

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sandeen_:

hey... does anyone know how I can set up xorg.conf so that if I boot my HTPC with the display off, and X gets no EDID response, it will still er, work?

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a1fa:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "1920x1080"

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a1fa:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1920x1080"; removing.

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ubuntuEdgy:

can any one help here , htpasswd: cannot create file /etc/httpd/mythweb-passwords

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: You might have a pixel clock problem.

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a1fa:

with the video card?

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a1fa:

so that 80mhz is coming from the video card?

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: Since, like yours, its DVI interface only has a maximum pixel clock of 135MHz. I had to borrow my friends Geforce 4 Ti4600 (Much better card, the GF4 MX is a piece of junk, not even a real GF4) to get it to work.

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

i am going to go spend another $100 to get this shit working

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Tanthrix:

Could be, though I'm not sure.

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Tanthrix:

You could always use analog out.

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a1fa:

hm

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a1fa:

i'll just buy another card

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** a1fa shurgs **

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jimbalaya:

I'm trying to set up my Channel listing, and I either get the correct channel-to-TVShow listing without the stations' call letters (they're all labeled a generic "TV Channel" or something) ... or I get an incorrect channel-toTVShow listing with the correct TV station names/call letters ...... anyone know why?

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Tanthrix:

This may not be the problem though.

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nero:

anyone here have a problem with mplayer squashing dvd video on playback?

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nero:

(it seems to stretch to fit the width of the screen, but is leaving the height the same, so everything gets squashed vertically)

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Tanthrix:

nero: You outputting to a wide screen set?

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a1fa:

hm

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a1fa:

the tv is native 1080i

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nero:

Tanthrix, yes I am.

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nero:

1360x768, it seems to get the 1360 correct, but doesnt scale the height to what it should be.

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Tanthrix:

Try putting "monitorpixelaspect=1" in your ~/.mplayer/config file

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a1fa:

walmart doesnt carry nvidia

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a1fa:

(--) NVIDIA(0): SANYO HDTV (DFP-0): 135.0 MHz maximum pixel clock

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a1fa:

i hate this thing

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nero:

Tanthrix, that worked great! Thanks!!! :)

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Tanthrix:

No prob.

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Tanthrix:

This page explains what that does if you are curious: http://www.howforge.com/how-to-set-monitor-pi . . . o-in-mplayer

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Tanthrix:

Site is down, but there is a google cache.

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a1fa:

i wonder wtf

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nero:

I figured there was some setting like that- I saw that when it was opening the video file, it was doing something along the lines of: found 720x480 video, scaling to 834x480

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a1fa:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Mode is rejected: VertRefresh (120.1 Hz) out of range

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a1fa:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): (59.000–61.000 Hz)

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a1fa:

its like tv is rejecting it

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a1fa:

not the graphics card

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tank-man:

does your tv support that vert refresh rate?

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Tanthrix:

Highly unlikely, it needs to be 60.

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: Change vertrefresh to 60

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Tanthrix:

VertRefresh*

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one happen to know the command to restart "apache"

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a1fa:

VertRefresh 59–61

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a1fa:

HorizSync 15–46

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a1fa:

this is what rates are set to

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a1fa:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Frequency information for SANYO HDTV (DFP-0):

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a1fa:

(II) NVIDIA(0): HorizSync : 15.000–46.000 kHz

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a1fa:

(II) NVIDIA(0): VertRefresh : 59.000–61.000 Hz

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nero:

very interesting site Tanthrix .. thanks for the info! :)

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Tanthrix:

nero: No prob. I just got a HD set of my own and right after setting it up I was..perplexed about the problem myself. ;)

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: Re-pastebin your current Xconf.

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a1fa:

Option "ModeValidation" "NoMaxSizeCheck, NoHorizSyncCheck, NoVertRefreshCheck"

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a1fa:

will fix that

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a1fa:

i guess

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a1fa:

where do i put this

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a1fa:

2007-04–09 21:36:12.593 Using screen 0, 1920x1080 at 0,0

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a1fa:

:P

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a1fa:

woot

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a1fa:

its shaking like charles manson on craxk

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sphing:

a1fa: what tv do you have?

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a1fa:

Sanyo

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a1fa:

30" CRT

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sphing:

ah, my Philips reports the resolution wrong

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Tanthrix:

sandeen_: And to answer your question, from what I can gather there isn't. The NVIDIA cards are very particular about all the EDID stuff, though if you start poking around there might be a way.

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Tanthrix:

sandeen_: It would involve a lot of "NoEdidCheck" and similar options.

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sandeen_:

Tanthrix, 2 things I've found... you can give it a custom EDID, after capturing the EDID bytes off the device...

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sandeen_:

ugh...

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sandeen_:

and also:

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sandeen_:

Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP"

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a1fa:

i need to take that off?

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sandeen_:

"This may be useful, for example, if you use a KVM (keyboard, video, mouse) switch and you are switched away when X is started."

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Tanthrix:

sandeen_: If I recall, I can start X fine with my set turned off. You're not like unplugging your TV are you?

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a1fa:

the screen is shaking

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sandeen_:

Tanthrix, no, tv is plugged in but powered off. no answer when X asks

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sandeen_:

unfortunately I don't think I have the pc-friendliest tv

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: One more time. Re-pastebin your current xconf.

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tank-man:

he has you on ignore :)

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Tanthrix:

sandeen_: That's unfortunate. I thought they were supposed to still do EDID stuff when in standby mode as a matter of spec, though I must admit I don't have much experience with that.

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a1fa:

http://www.pastebin.ca/432175

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: I'm not seeing anything that jumps out at me as wrong. But if this page http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV is right, you might not be able to do 1080i well.

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: The guy who wrote that says 1080i looks like shit on his set and that he runs 720P instead.

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a1fa:

ok

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sandeen_:

Tanthrix, yeah... what a pain

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: I would say that you should try the same, especially since 1080i won't really get you anything on a set as small as yours.

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a1fa:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "720x480" : 720 x 480 @ 120.1 Hz Interlace

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

lets try this then

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Tanthrix:

I'd say copy everything on that page, then set it to run 720P and see what happens.

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a1fa:

it doesnt look good

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Tanthrix:

On a side note, though I haven't done a direct comparison yet, from about 5 feet I don't think I can tell the difference between 720P and 1080P.

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Tanthrix:

(On my 37 inch set)

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a1fa:

720x480_60

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a1fa:

i had to use this

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a1fa:

because it doesnt understand 720p

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Tanthrix:

1280x720p_60 didn't work?

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a1fa:

yeah

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a1fa:

that works too

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a1fa:

1280x720_60

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a1fa:

i'll just run it at 1280x720_60

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Tanthrix:

I must be off. Later all.

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sandeen_:

Tanthrix, you know the more I think about it it doesn't make sense; surely cable boxes et all need EDID info from the tv too...

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a1fa:

here is aproblem

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Tanthrix:

sandeen_: Hrm. That is a good point.

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a1fa:

i get a border around a channel now

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a1fa:

Discovery is wide screen

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a1fa:

and i get a border

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a1fa:

top and bottom border

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a1fa:

and left and right

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a1fa:

so its boxed in a little window

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a1fa:

instead of fullscreen

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a1fa:

shouldnt it be fullscreen on a widescreen?

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: Are you watching a SD wide screen show like mythbusters?

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a1fa:

yeah

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a1fa:

like futureweapons

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: Then you're seeing the full 4:3 image, with the black bars included.

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a1fa:

is that normal to have it boxed in

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a1fa:

how do i do 16:9

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a1fa:

it cant do 16:9?

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: Press w a few times to set it right,

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a1fa:

w?

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a1fa:

i dont have a keyboard

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a1fa:

what does w do?

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a1fa:

zoom?

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Tanthrix:

a1fa: All standard definition transmissions are 4:3, even if they are cropped to wide screen, so you have to zoom to compensate. You only get true 16:9 from HD / dvd / etc..

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Tanthrix:

Yes, zoom.

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a1fa:

oh cool :)

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a1fa:

thanks

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a1fa:

can it do fullscreen without croppping?

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Tanthrix:

What do you mean?

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** a1fa needs to remap W to his streamzap redbutton **

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a1fa:

can it zoom in, but not all the way

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a1fa:

so its not cropped

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a1fa:

Tanthrix: thanks for the help

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Tanthrix:

By default it seems to go too far. I often use the custom zoom from the OSD.

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Tanthrix:

Since some stations seem to already overscan their 16:9 stuff, and then myth zooms slightly too far.

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Tanthrix:

sandeen_: PM me if you get your set working the way you want. I'd be curious to know how if you get it working.

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a1fa:

ok

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a1fa:

i need to go

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sandeen_:

Tanthrix_AFK, sure.

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a1fa:

but when i caome back i need to fix that overscan

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a1fa:

i cant see the left edge

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** sandeen_ can't play right now, wife is watching :) **

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sandeen_:

I wish I'd bought a tv that didnt' have hard-coded overscan on hdmi :/

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** FunkyELF needs to rebuild his MythTV box. It overheats. Even when the case is open. **

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FunkyELF:

sandeen_, what TV?

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sandeen_:

FunkyELF, toshiba 32hlc56

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sandeen_:

nice picture generally

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FunkyELF:

ahh

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sandeen_:

but fighting to get a picture on it w/o scaling

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J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: What you probably need to do is to make the airflow better, and put the case cover on...

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FunkyELF:

Mine has overscan too....but I'm going to get rid of that when I have mine calibrated

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sandeen_:

newer version, 32HLV66 (I think...) looks more pc friendly

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sandeen_:

FunkyELF, what is yours?

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FunkyELF:

J-e-f-f-A, but if it overheats when the cover is off....I think I may need a new heatsink or something. Its a 3.0 GHz P4 with HT

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J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: I had to make some custom 'baffles' for one of my cases to get the airflow good, and cool my tuner cards... (they weren't getting much airflow)

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FunkyELF:

sandeen_, Sony KDS60A2000 ... 60" SXRD

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sandeen_:

I don't know if mine can even do the 1:1 mapping

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sandeen_:

*grumble*

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J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: How big is the processor heatsink? If it's small, that might be your issue, or it may just be not enough fresh air flowing through to provide the cooling...

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** FunkyELF looks up his newegg order from over a year ago **

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** sandeen_ should open the tv and see if it looks firmware upgradeable... yeah right... :D **

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FunkyELF:

J-e-f-f-A ZALMAN CNPS7000B-Cu LED 92mm 2 Ball Cooling Fan – Retail

[03:03:03]

FunkyELF:

Antec Phantom 500 ATX12V 500W Power Supply – Retail

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FunkyELF:

Thermaltake Tenor VB2000BNS Black 1.0 mm SECC Chassis/Aluminum Front Bezel ATX Desktop Computer Case – Retail

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Fuzzywuzzy:

need a bit of help figuring out an audio problem. I'm getting ready to move up to HD, but I can't get surround to work properly. Anyone familiar with both ALSA and Myth? Most of the HOWTOs are for either duplicating the stereo channels on the rear speakers, or setting up passthrough to an external DTS decoder.

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FunkyELF:

Fuzzywuzzy, I got ALSA working with mine....but my myth box isn't up right now. I was moving computers around when I got a new desk and my Myth box doesn't fit in my entertainment center

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FunkyELF:

Fuzzywuzzy, I remember that it wasn't even an option in Myth...I had to type it in myself... put in "ALSA:default"

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J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: Hum — that cpu fan looks like it comes with a thermostatic control to make it quiet... If that's in there, try taking it out to let the fan run at full speed.

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FunkyELF:

Fuzzywuzzy, and I needed a custom .asoundrc file

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FunkyELF:

J-e-f-f-A, well....I have the control set all the way up. I would think that would be the same as running it with it off...but I can try

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J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: And it doesnt look like the actual heatsink itself is that big – and that's the first off-the-shelf cooler I've seen with a deflector on it... it's pointing out to the case fan, right? (Do you have a case fan blowing out, or just the power supply fan?)

[03:06:24]

FunkyELF:

J-e-f-f-A, I think I need to build a new machine or repackage this one anyway. My case doesn't fit in the entertainment center.

[03:06:52]

FunkyELF:

Power supply doesn't have a fan.

[03:07:41]

Fuzzywuzzy:

FunkyELF: ALSA:Default gives me 2.0 only. I agree with you about the .asoundrc, but none of the HOWTO's are terribly helpful, and there's a troll in #ALSA who won't shut up about "oh it must be an application problem, go to Myth's wiki's you f*ing noob"

[03:08:24]

FunkyELF:

I would think there would be a simple program to test that ALSA is working...or where you can adjust the levels independantly or something

[03:08:51]

FunkyELF:

Fuzzywuzzy, your receiver is showing you that it is only getting 2 channels or you're assuming?

[03:09:00]

J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: Humm... The packaging claims "over 2.5 GHz", but it looks very small... Perhaps they figure the fan will make up for the smaller heatsink?

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FunkyELF:

J-e-f-f-A I was going for quiet components when I built it

[03:09:46]

FunkyELF:

Maybe I'll get a new heatsink when I repackage it

[03:10:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: Do you have a case fan, near the processor?

[03:10:08]

Kritter:

anyone have MythArchive fail with ffmpeg encoding?

[03:10:09]

FunkyELF:

I've seen all this crap about the macbooks and their problems with paste....maybe I put too much or not enough paste on

[03:10:43]

FunkyELF:

J-e-f-f-A, I think just two in the rear

[03:12:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: That heatsink looks like it may have come with the built-in paste – usually with a clear or colored protective 'tape' over it. Did you add paste to that?

[03:12:48]

FunkyELF:

I took the tape off I think

[03:14:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: Ok, well next time you're in there, pull the heatsink and check — if you didn't, then that's the issue — the tape would be more of an insulator... (But I personally still think it's kinda small, especiallly for a 3ghz cpu...)

[03:15:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: And if the tape is still on there, just clean up the paste, peel the tape, then re-install without any extra paste (a little bit is ok) — Hopefully that will solve your overheating issue. If not, a bigger heatsink with a quiet fan would do the trick...

[03:16:10]

FunkyELF:

any recomendations for a good 3GHz p4 heatsink?

[03:16:27]

tank-man:

people who want a cool and quiet system dont go get a p4 cpu

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FunkyELF:

haha, yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: One other thing I just though of — check your bios and if it's got "Cool & Quiet", turn it off – between it and the fan speed control, it may be a contributor...

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** FunkyELF didn't know any better at the time **

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FunkyELF:

okay

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kormoc:

FunkyELF, what model proc is it?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, cool & quiet is amd only

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FunkyELF:

it may also be that the power supply doesn't have a fan so it probably gets a little hot....same with the video card

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J-e-f-f-A:

FunkyELF: I dunno about the specific heatsink — I just get a big one (or the biggest one I can fit in the computer I'm building) so I won't run into issues... ;-)

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FunkyELF:

kormoc, Intel Pentium 4 3.0E Prescott 3.0GHz Socket 478 Processor Model BX80546PG3000E – Retail

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Ah... That's why it's in my bios then! ;-) FunkELF won't find it in his...

[03:18:40]

kormoc:

FunkyELF, you're actually above the cpu model that heatsink 'supports'

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kormoc:

FunkyELF, http://www.zalman.co.kr/eng/product/view.asp? . . . amp;code=005

[03:19:05]

kormoc:

FunkyELF, "Up to 540"

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kormoc:

not a 546

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ubuntuEdgy:

i cant seem to logon mythweb

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Kritter:

do you get the password prompt?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh i do

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ubuntuEdgy:

but none of my passwords work

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, you should read the apache logs and see what it thinks it is doing

[03:20:55]

Kritter:

what errors are you getting in apache?

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ubuntuEdgy:

please tell me how to look at the log

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ubuntuEdgy:

what command ,

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FunkyELF:

ubuntuEdgy tail /var/log/apache2/error_log

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I don't think there is a way too... but you should ask xris, as he wrote that part

[03:21:49]

FunkyELF:

ubuntuEdgy, or something like that...look around... bash tab completion is your friend

[03:22:06]

ubuntuEdgy:

yeh i use that a lot thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Thanks. ;-)

[03:22:28]

kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, might also be in /var/log/httpd/ or similar

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have found it XD

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FunkyELF:

kormoc, that up to 540 is only for 775, mine is 478-->Pentium 4-->Prescott-->Supports all speeds

[03:23:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: ping

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kormoc:

FunkyELF, whoops :P

[03:23:35]

Kritter:

well that would do it.

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ubuntuEdgy:

i remeber i gave it a permission of chmod 640

[03:23:57]

FunkyELF:

kormoc, good link though. I probably need a better one

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ubuntuEdgy:

was that right

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FunkyELF:

try 644

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Kritter:

fix the permissions on that file and make sure it's the actual one you're calling in the set up

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kormoc:

Kritter, wouldn't be in the logs if it wasn't

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, it needs to be readable by the apache process

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Kritter:

would be if the file isn't there.

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kormoc:

Kritter, would be "missing file", not "can not read" :P

[03:25:54]

Kritter:

well that'd be nice of apache to distingush.

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ubuntuEdgy:

kormoc:i think i know where i might have when wrong

[03:26:44]

Kritter:

I think the audio on this ffmpeg encode is breaking it.

[03:27:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

now i get ,,,..chown apache:apache /etc/mythweb-passwords

[03:27:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

chown: `apache:apache': invalid user

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Kritter:

apache.apache

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Kritter:

assuming that's the user apache runs as.

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FunkyELF:

ps -eaf | grep apache

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FunkyELF:

see what process is running it....maybe root

[03:28:10]

Kritter:

could well be www-data

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kormoc:

Kritter, actually, owner:group is perfectly valid, and is even the perfered way (see man chown)

[03:28:34]

ubuntuEdgy:

thami 18178 0.0 0.2 2796 756 pts/1 R+ 04:27 0:00 grep http

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Kritter:

guess I just can't win tonight.

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ubuntuEdgy:

make sense ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

sorry man... man

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, ps aux | grep apache | grep -v grep

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kormoc:

Kritter, heh, no worries

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FunkyELF:

ha.... grep -v grep, thats silly

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kormoc:

FunkyELF, clears up the 'I only get one line... is this right' bit :P

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ubuntuEdgy:

http://pastebin.ca/432223

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ubuntuEdgy:

kormoc: ^^

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Kritter:

the user is www-data

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Kritter:

as suspected.

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ubuntuEdgy:

ah great will it work now ?

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Kritter:

do your chown with www-data:www-data not apache:apache.

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Kritter:

now fix my ffmpeg problem to make it work.

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AngryElf:

changing from PCM to Master fixed it — thanx guys

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi xris... I love the mythweb enhancements — On thing – I played a PBS program back with the ASX streaming, but it played with the secondary audio instead of the primary audio stream – is there a way to configure that?

[03:36:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

yesssssssssssss

[03:36:09]

ubuntuEdgy:

thanks you

[03:36:20]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: asx is just a wrapper to download the mpg file.. you'd presumably get the same result if you played the file directly

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ubuntuEdgy:

i mean thank you*

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ubuntuEdgy:

kormoc:can you help me with one more thing

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: When playing with myth, I can choose the stream, and it defaults to the primary. Is there any way to specify the stream to ASX?

[03:38:30]

ubuntuEdgy:

make sense ?

[03:38:31]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: not a clue.

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Fuzzywuzzy:

Here's a silly question. I want to set up 5.1 surround using the sound card's analog outs instead of the DTS passthrough. Any thoughts on how to accomplish this? ALSA appears to be working (speaker-test and mplayer can do 5.1 surround)

[03:38:50]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: asx is just an xml file with a URL inside of it.. don't know if it can do more.

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Kritter:

That should work fine as long as you are on that local network.

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ubuntuEdgy:

will i do the some from another pc using the Internet ?

[03:40:23]

Kritter:

you mean at someone elses house?

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Ok, I'll see if I can find out something... ;-) But things look GREAT! ;-)

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Kritter:

or at work/school? no.

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ubuntuEdgy:

work

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ubuntuEdgy:

what do i do from work

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Kritter:

you'll need to portforward on your router, and hope your external internet visible IP doesn't change.

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ubuntuEdgy:

no it dose not , i think

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Kritter:

then look up your real ip and use that after you have portforwarded

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahh

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ubuntuEdgy:

yes it seems to stay the same

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ubuntuEdgy:

any way im off to learn what portforwarded is

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Kritter:

okay anyone... http://pastebin.ca/432238

[03:46:45]

Kritter:

seems to be an audio problem, but I'm not finding anything meaningful to try at the moment.

[03:49:11]

a1fa:

ok

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FunkyELF:

anybody here run a front end on OSX?

[03:49:19]

a1fa:

how can i fix this edge problem

[03:49:27]

a1fa:

left and right are outside of the screen

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a1fa:

how do i adjust overscan?

[03:49:42]

FunkyELF:

a1fa, what kind of video card?

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a1fa:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Overscan

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xris:

a1fa: what kind of connection to the tv?

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a1fa:

GF4 4000

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a1fa:

DVI

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a1fa:

DVI-HDMI

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FunkyELF:

a1fa, what distro?

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a1fa:

Debian

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Kritter:

FunkyELF: there is a OSX front end binary.

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FunkyELF:

a1fa, have you tried nvidia-settings?

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FunkyELF:

that worked for me

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xris:

a1fa: I don't think you can change overscan with a digital connection.

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FunkyELF:

it brings up a little gui to adjust things

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Fuzzywuzzy:

anyone ever set up surround sound WITHOUT just dumping it to an external reciever on the TOSlink port

[03:51:17]

FunkyELF:

oh...hrm, yeah, mine was a d-sub connection when I changed mine

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xris:

best you can do is adjust from within mythtv itself, or get a tv that doesn't overscan digital connections

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a1fa:

nvidia-settings: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11–2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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a1fa:

xris: what option do i change

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xris:

a1fa: um, install gtk?

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FunkyELF:

Kritter, yeah I know...but I was wondering if anybody got any kind of HD playback via a mac mini or something

[03:52:04]

a1fa:

xris: width and height in appearance?

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xris:

a1fa: there should be X and Y offset controls somewhere under tv/playback

[03:53:04]

a1fa:

if i do that

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a1fa:

then it goes too far to the left or right

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a1fa:

or up and down

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a1fa:

no way i can center it

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xris:

a1fa: sorry, thought there were adjustments for each side.

[03:55:24]

a1fa:

xinit /usr/bin/nvidia-settings

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xris:

you can always try the nvidia-settings stuff, but I don't think it works with dvi

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I fhound how to start it +5mins... ;-) Nothing for audio stream selection yet...

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a1fa:

i cant see shit in nvidia-settings

[04:00:04]

a1fa:

its running in 1280x720 mode

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a1fa:

and everyting is huge

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a1fa:

how the fuck do i deal with that?

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kozubik:

will mythtv play DVD iso files from my fileserver ?

[04:03:03]

xris:

kozubik: mythdvd should if you use the Internal player

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kozubik:

ok

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kozubik:

follow-up Q

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kozubik:

if I play a DVD iso in myth, can I use the menu and all the dvd features, as if I were playing the actual DVD ?

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xris:

kozubik: Internal player, yes.

[04:04:35]

xris:

otherwise, it depends on what you use for mythvideo (mplayer, xine, etc)

[04:04:41]

kozubik:

ahh beautiful

[04:05:03]

xris:

dunno how much of the cool stuff is in .20 vs unstable, though

[04:05:05]

kozubik:

nothing is as rad as just clicking a DVD iso and getting to choose commentaries and subtitles and scene selection, etc.

[04:05:08]

kozubik:

god I love that.

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kozubik:

xris : why would I use other things besides the internal player ?

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xris:

kozubik: dunno.. because you like mplayer more?

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kozubik:

ahh ok – so its not a functionality things, it's just a preference thing ?

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kozubik:

I can still play all the wacko kiddie h.12342534 formats I get from bittorrent with the internal player ?

[04:07:17]

kozubik:

well that settles it.

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a1fa:

hey

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a1fa:

xris: left corner of my screen is a bit blury

[04:07:48]

xris:

not sure, actually.. I don't use mythvideo for much.

[04:07:55]

xris:

kozubik: also, please don't use the b-word here.

[04:07:57]

a1fa:

what could it be?

[04:08:21]

kozubik:

xris: newsflash: bittorrent does not imply illegality. The end.

[04:08:56]

xris:

kozubik: news flash, we don't care. the channel faq says don't talk about it or be kicked.

[04:09:31]

xris:

it's not your a$$ the lawyers will go after if someone decides that mythtv has something to do with illegal actions.

[04:09:39]

ubuntuEdgy:

will the port range be 80–80 ?

[04:09:51]

kozubik:

hehe

[04:09:54]

kozubik:

runnin' scared.

[04:10:00]

kozubik:

here take a look at this:

[04:10:16]

kozubik:

http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt

[04:10:19]

xris:

a1fa: burry? odd

[04:10:22]

a1fa:

blurry

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kozubik:

that is what people do when they aren't running scared.

[04:10:49]

a1fa:

i am using an DVI 2 HDMI cable

[04:10:51]

kozubik:

xris: believe me – I know a lot more than you do about getting "that phone call"

[04:10:53]

a1fa:

i wonder if it is fucking up there

[04:11:05]

kozubik:

ok anyway.

[04:11:07]

xris:

kozubik: mythtv has never "gotten that phone call" and we'd like to keep it that way

[04:11:20]

kozubik:

thanks – I can't wait to get a new mac mini and load ubuntu + mythtv

[04:11:55]

tanq:

what is the minimum hardware specs i should be using for the cpu, ram and video card in order to watch hd content without syncing issues

[04:11:58]

xris:

kozubik: you'll sort of want a backend to go with that.. although mini + firewire might work

[04:11:58]

kozubik:

I've been a real XBMC loyalist for the last 3 years, but the inabiliy to play real HD content that I ... uhhh.. find on the street ... is a real problem.

[04:12:09]

xris:

tanq: US or europe?

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ffish:

does anyone have a sharp lcd?

[04:12:16]

kozubik:

xris: actually I am not interested in tv recording

[04:12:17]

tanq:

US

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xris:

actually, don't really matter. shoot for 2.8ghz or better

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kozubik:

xris: I just want a front end to my SMB fileserver to pick and play isos and mpegs

[04:12:37]

xris:

kozubik: mythtv is kind of silly if you don't want tv

[04:13:13]

kozubik:

xris: why silly ? it's a nice and user friendly front end to video content on a filesevrer, no ?

[04:13:24]

kozubik:

(lots of tv on that there fileserver...)

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tanq:

xris: well it may not matter to a certain extent but if i'm running a 2.8G processor with 256 ram and a 64 MB video card then it matters

[04:13:34]

xris:

kozubik: and all of the rest of the interface is built around trying to connect to the backend to deal with recorded tv

[04:13:40]

xris:

you can't "turn off" the tv functions.

[04:14:07]

xris:

tank-man: sorry, didn't get that far. 512M minimum RAM. video card.. pretty much anything nvidia from the 5200 on up.

[04:14:29]

a1fa:

xris: its a 30 inch CRT

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a1fa:

widescreen

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kozubik:

xris: I don't need to "turn off" the tv recording functions, I just need to ignore them, right ?

[04:15:16]

kozubik:

I just want a nice, slick, user friendly file manager that I can see on my tv

[04:15:32]

kozubik:

ok fine

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xris:

kozubik: yes... although mythvideo's interface is nowhere near as slick as the tv interface.

[04:15:57]

xris:

it's just a warning... mythtv is about tv. the other stuff is secondary.

[04:16:04]

wilco:

You can edit them out of the menus

[04:16:33]

a1fa:

xris: it had to do something with the refresh rate

[04:16:41]

xris:

a1fa: weird

[04:16:47]

xris:

sort of makes sense, though

[04:17:17]

xris:

kozubik: anyway, Internal (not "internal") is based on libav* from ffmpeg.. just like mplayer.

[04:17:38]

xris:

can generally play any format, and at least in svn (I don't know about .20) it has the best dvd menu support I've seen in open source.

[04:18:04]

a1fa:

xris: i just need help resizing my screen a bit

[04:18:12]

a1fa:

couple of pixels in on both sides

[04:18:20]

xris:

a1fa: like I said, I don't think you can do it over dvi.

[04:18:22]

a1fa:

and a couple of pixes in on top and bottom

[04:18:25]

kozubik:

ok well

[04:18:27]

a1fa:

maybe with gui?

[04:18:29]

kozubik:

I'll figure it out.

[04:18:41]

xris:

if your tv is overscanning a digital signal, that's a problem with the tv (one that unfortunately most tvs seem to suffer from)

[04:18:46]

kozubik:

thanks – that's great that it can do dvd menu support off of a ISO on a smb server

[04:18:47]

kozubik:

rad.

[04:19:10]

kozubik:

I was worried I would need to mount it as a virtual drive and play it off that, blah blah

[04:19:52]

ubuntuEdgy:

can any one try and see if they can get to my mythweb please

[04:20:42]

ubuntuEdgy:

im trying to setup port forwarding

[04:21:43]

ubuntuEdgy:

!seen Kritter:

[04:21:43]

MythLogBot:

Kritter: has not been seen here

[04:21:47]

ffish:

does anyone have any experience with a Sharp LCD?

[04:22:00]

ubuntuEdgy:

!seen Kritter

[04:22:00]

MythLogBot:

Kritter is here and has been idle for 31 minutes 41 seconds

[04:22:02]

ffish:

I've got one of the new 1080p 46" models, but I can't seem to find a modeline for it anywhere

[04:22:13]

ffish:

and it's not cooperating :)

[04:22:17]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: you *really* don't want people to be able to access it like that.. it's like asking people to delete all of your recorded tv

[04:22:31]

ubuntuEdgy:

i have apassword on it

[04:22:43]

ubuntuEdgy:

XD

[04:22:47]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: anyway, doesn't seem to be working

[04:22:59]

ubuntuEdgy:

really what did you do

[04:23:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

xris:

[04:23:12]

a1fa:

fuuuck

[04:23:14]

a1fa:

i cant get it to work

[04:23:19]

a1fa:

what is that height in px and width in px

[04:23:22]

a1fa:

everytime i touch that

[04:23:32]

ubuntuEdgy:

hissy fit will

[04:23:33]

xris:

a1fa: please don't swear

[04:23:37]

a1fa:

the window is like 640x480 in a 124x768

[04:23:40]

a1fa:

screen

[04:23:47]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: your ISP could block inbound port 80.. it's pretty common.

[04:24:12]

ubuntuEdgy:

should i change it from port 80

[04:24:20]

ubuntuEdgy:

talso try this 62.254.64.24.

[04:24:37]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: that one worked. got access denied

[04:24:58]

ubuntuEdgy:

did it ask you for my username and password ?

[04:25:28]

ubuntuEdgy:

if yes then great

[04:26:18]

ubuntuEdgy:

erm

[04:26:26]

ubuntuEdgy:

yes?

[04:26:30]

ubuntuEdgy:

no?

[04:27:12]

xris:

no

[04:27:42]

a1fa:

help :(

[04:28:25]

ubuntuEdgy:

xris:what did you men access denied ?

[04:28:41]

xris:

Forbidden You were denied access because: Access denied by access control list.

[04:28:41]

a1fa:

what happens if i run mythtv at 16 depth?

[04:28:47]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: that's all I get

[04:28:55]

xris:

a1fa: you get fewer colors?

[04:30:08]

ubuntuEdgy:

can any one please help /me

[04:31:07]

a1fa:

the problem is when i do 1080i its not displayed correctly on tv

[04:31:15]

ubuntuEdgy:

i still dont fully understand this forwarding

[04:31:16]

xris:

a1fa: maybe not

[04:31:26]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: that's an rfc1918 address.. it wouldn't resolve

[04:31:51]

ffish:

so either no one here has a sharp lcd or no one has gotten myth working with one?

[04:31:59]

xris:

a1fa: might be worth upgrading to a 5200 or better

[04:32:00]

ubuntuEdgy:

tryed it ?

[04:32:29]

a1fa:

xris: 5200 supports 1080i?

[04:32:41]

xris:

a1fa: I think it probably depends on the specific card.

[04:32:44]

xris:

ffish: huh?

[04:33:07]

xris:

ffish: mythtv doesn't care what kind of monitor you have.

[04:33:11]

xris:

or tv, for that matter.

[04:33:35]

ffish:

well, given that no one has answered any of my questions about a sharp lcd, I can only assume that either no one has one or no one has gotten myth to work with one

[04:33:48]

ubuntuEdgy:

xris:yes very clever

[04:34:00]

ubuntuEdgy:

any way im going to try DMZ

[04:34:22]

ubuntuEdgy:

but before that will changing the port 80–80 to some thing else help

[04:34:36]

ffish:

myth might not, but I imagine myth forums are one of the few places where people get Xorg working with large LCD TVs

[04:34:56]

ffish:

and at the moment my new TV is winning against Xorg

[04:37:50]

** a1fa loves his gbe network :P **

[04:38:11]

a1fa:

at least that shit is working good

[04:39:01]

ffish:

I can't even get X to show up with a resolution of 640x480

[04:39:08]

ffish:

nada

[04:39:10]

ffish:

zip

[04:39:11]

ffish:

zilch

[04:40:32]

a1fa:

2007-04–09 23:39:57.026 AFD: Opened codec 0xa1d6900, id(MPEG2VIDEO) type(Video)

[04:40:38]

a1fa:

ok this is not working

[04:40:41]

ffish:

even system-config-display fails me

[04:40:41]

a1fa:

i cant watch a video

[04:45:04]

ubuntuEdgy:

xris:can you test for me please

[04:49:32]

xris:

ffish: have you tried letting X autoconfigure?

[04:49:47]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: what ip?

[04:50:25]

ffish:

xris: hold on...

[04:51:07]

ubuntuEdgy:

please :-D

[04:51:12]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: no change

[04:51:20]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: http://whatismyip.com/

[04:51:49]

ubuntuEdgy:

same as the other 1 :(

[04:52:07]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: so the 62.whatever is something else

[04:52:18]

xris:

you don't have port forwarding working.. OR, your isp blocks port 80

[04:53:04]

ubuntuEdgy:

what can i do ,

[04:53:17]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: try a different port?

[04:53:18]

ubuntuEdgy:

if they block it dose this mean i cant use mythweb

[04:53:26]

ubuntuEdgy:

like what?

[04:53:29]

xris:

forward port 8080 (external) to 80 (internal)

[04:53:32]

ffish:

xris: ok, I blasted away my old xorg.conf, went to runlevel 3 and ran system-config-display from the command-line

[04:53:43]

xris:

ffish: you want: X -configure

[04:53:55]

xris:

not redhat's config program

[04:53:58]

ubuntuEdgy:

its hard to think right now , i should b in bed im very tired >:o

[04:54:01]

ffish:

it was able to find something that worked, but it doesn't appear to do anything above 800x600

[04:54:05]

ffish:

ok ... hold again

[04:54:07]

ffish:

(thanks)

[04:55:09]

ffish:

nope, the config file it spits out just dumps lines of sparkling purple to my screen

[04:55:42]

xris:

ffish: what kind of connection are you using?

[04:55:56]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: might be a good time to go to sleep and get a fresh start on it tomorrow?

[04:56:05]

ffish:

xris: component

[04:56:19]

xris:

ffish: why not use a digital connection?

[04:56:37]

ffish:

xris: everything needs to go through the receiver, and the receiver only has component

[04:56:45]

xris:

ahh.

[04:57:12]

xris:

lots of variables in the way there, then.... video card, receiver, tv, modelines, etc.

[04:57:13]

ffish:

the rig needs to meet the "Spousal Usability Test" :)

[04:58:18]

ffish:

yeah ... and finding anyone that's using component is kind of difficult

[04:58:36]

ffish:

finding anyone who's got a Sharp 1080p LCD is also difficult

[04:58:42]

ffish:

and apparently I'm the only one with both :)

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[04:59:21]

kormoc:

ffish, feel free to buy me one of each and I'd be glad to provide a custom xorg.conf file that will work like a charm! :P

[04:59:28]

ubuntuEdgy:

xris: look here this will give a better understanding http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6373/screenshot1zg3.png

[04:59:31]

xris:

ffish: have you tried for a lower resolution first?

[05:00:00]

ffish:

xris: after blowing away my old xorg.conf and running system-config-display I was able to get 800x600

[05:00:23]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: ok... so you want to put your mythbox's IP into one of those.. and then do 8080 ~ 80 "both"

[05:00:55]

xris:

ffish: for all I know (as the person who can't look at your video card), that's as high res as your video card's component output can handle.

[05:01:33]

ffish:

according to the specs it can handle more

[05:01:38]

ffish:

it's a 7100gs

[05:01:48]

ubuntuEdgy:

should i reboot the router?

[05:01:55]

ubuntuEdgy:

also can you try now

[05:02:24]

ubuntuEdgy:

fingers crosed

[05:02:51]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: prompts for a password

[05:03:03]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: who is your ISP?

[05:03:05]

ubuntuEdgy:

ah thank you xris

[05:03:12]

ubuntuEdgy:

NTL

[05:03:27]

xris:

when you had it set to 80~80, you had basically the same thing, right?

[05:03:40]

ubuntuEdgy:

yeh

[05:03:47]

ubuntuEdgy:

what did you put ?

[05:03:55]

xris:

I used 8080

[05:03:56]

ubuntuEdgy:

htp;// what ?

[05:04:06]

xris:

basically means that your ISP blocks port 80

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xzcvczx:

is there any way to make it so that the internal media player plays from the start of the file rather than about 5 seconds or so in?

[05:04:29]

xzcvczx:

if i hit rewind i can get it back to start

[05:04:41]

ubuntuEdgy:

ahhhhhh damn wa**kers at NTL

[05:04:47]

ubuntuEdgy:

SORRY

[05:05:20]

ubuntuEdgy:

thanks xris se ya around ?

[05:07:10]

xris:

ubuntuEdgy: I'm usually here. :)

[05:07:25]

xris:

the little part of my life I give up to be part of the mythtv family. :)

[05:07:36]

kormoc:

little?

[05:07:39]

kormoc:

:P

[05:07:42]

xris:

:)

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok thanks and bye

[05:10:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

bye all

[05:11:08]

xris:

ffish: and you're using the nvidia driver, not nv, correct?

[05:11:20]

ffish:

according to the manual for my card it can do 1920x1080@60

[05:11:25]

ffish:

yes, nvidia

[05:11:45]

kormoc:

ffish, did you try the nvidia config generator?

[05:12:01]

ffish:

kormoc: which one is that?

[05:12:33]

kormoc:

nvidia-xconfig

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ffish:

nope, didn't work ....

[05:15:36]

kormoc:

what's your xorg.log say?

[05:15:37]

ffish:

... I found out the working version at 1024x768 was using the vesa driver

[05:16:36]

ffish:

it can't get the EDID info from the display

[05:17:05]

kormoc:

if you read more of that link I gave you, there's a secion on X configuration, including how to set it to ignore the EDID info and similar

[05:17:14]

kormoc:

you're likely just going to need to draft your own config

[05:26:10]

ffish:

kormoc: indeed. the question, though, is "how"?

[05:29:07]

ffish:

yeah, none of this is working

[05:32:00]

ffish:

in my Xorg.0.log I'm getting boatloads of messages about "CRT-0", even though there's no such screen, device, or monitor in my xorg.conf file

[05:35:20]

kormoc:

ffish, well, read over the X options and see if you can set it to tv only and all that jazz

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ffish:

halle-friggin-luja!

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ffish:

thank you thank you thank you

[05:48:57]

kormoc:

:)

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xris:

ffish: works?

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xris:

juski: you awake?

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xris:

away went kormoc

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ffish:

xris: mostly ... I got it working when it was plugged directly from the mythbox into the tv

[06:25:22]

ffish:

now I'm running it through the receiver

[06:25:55]

ffish:

slightly less picture :)

[06:26:08]

ffish:

but it's recording the daily show and colbert, so I'll let it slide for the moment

[06:33:17]

xris:

heh

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tafryn:

Hey channel, does anyone know why my recorded shows don't have the commercials marked even though commercial flagging is set?

[07:04:33]

Dagmar:

Because you need to pull in the cutlist.

[07:08:18]

tafryn:

The what now?

[07:09:03]

Dagmar:

It's text. I know you can re-read it at your leisure.

[07:09:43]

tafryn:

Indeed, but I still don't know what a 'cutlist' is.

[07:09:58]

tafryn:

Or how one might pull it in.

[07:10:09]

Dagmar:

It's the list of parts of the recording that should be cut because they're commercials.

[07:10:15]

Dagmar:

You know, it helps if you read the documentation.

[07:10:29]

Dagmar:

In the meantime, press 'e', then 'z', then 'e' again while you're watching a recording.

[07:10:44]

tafryn:

I'm not worried about cutting the commercials out of the recording I just want to be able to skip them.

[07:11:00]

tafryn:

I've pressed 'e' and 'z' serverl times to no effect

[07:11:14]

tafryn:

The recordings aren't flagged, hence my original question.

[07:11:48]

tafryn:

The option to flag new recordings is set, but the recordings, they aren't a'flagged.

[07:12:08]

tafryn:

s/rl/ral/

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blackhole:

I am trying to run mythfrontend with the Themepainter as OpenGL. The frontend appears with black screen. The message that i get is "QImage : Convertdepth : Image is a null image"

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orko_:

Hi. After changing the GUI resulotion to fit my tv i sometimes get a black screen when returning from EPG to livetv.

[07:53:38]

blackhole:

I am trying to run mythfrontend with the Themepainter as OpenGL. The frontend appears with black screen. The message that i get is "QImage : Convertdepth : Image is a null image"

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orko_:

i Do notuse opengl.

[08:01:54]

Chicago:

orko_: What's EPG?

[08:03:40]

juski:

the programme guide

[08:04:33]

Chicago:

ah

[08:04:45]

Chicago:

Juski: Are you using MythPhone regularly?

[08:05:04]

juski:

never used it. never intend to use it

[08:05:40]

Chicago:

I signed up for ANOTHER telephone number with Teliax... to use with asterisk... and was using MythPhone as a test SIP client...

[08:05:51]

Chicago:

Who might be the resident expert here with that sort of integration?

[08:06:07]

juski:

no idea

[08:06:48]

Chicago:

With Asterisk... they have "ring groups"... so whether you want to take a call or not with myth... at least you can have the caller ID of the incoming call flash on your screen... just like back to the future 2. :)

[08:07:58]

Dagmar:

You have the source.

[08:08:23]

Chicago:

Hi Dagmar

[08:09:24]

juski:

If I'm watching my shows I'd very much rather _not_ have it spoiled by onscreen popups

[08:09:46]

Chicago:

I don't know if the same conduit exists for MythMusic though

[08:10:35]

Dagmar:

Well, there's xosd that you can use.

[08:10:39]

Dagmar:

It'll just be a little bit ugly

[08:11:53]

Chicago:

I'm only playing with the integration now... I had the SIP client (ekiga) talking to asterisk... and then the MythPhone of course had the H323 usage also... there are still a few things I'm far from being done with working on.

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Dagmar:

Okay, yeah, I'm regretting a smart-assed changelog comment I made now

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Dagmar:

"At some point the rate at which they put out new packages is going to exceed my capacity to compile them in realtime."

[08:16:50]

Dagmar:

That was 3/25... and I'm still @#$@! compiling @#$@!$

[08:16:54]

Chicago:

That's what distcc and ccache are for. :)

[08:17:24]

Dagmar:

And "naievete" is what makes those kinds of comments.

[08:17:43]

Dagmar:

I have an X2 4200 with 1Gb of RAM and a fast disk.

[08:17:49]

jvs:

good morning

[08:17:54]

Dagmar:

This is not a CPU bound operation.

[08:18:08]

Chicago:

What kind of stages are you compiling?

[08:18:55]

jvs:

Dagmar, how come you got such a fast cpu and only 1 Gig Ram?

[08:19:20]

jvs:

don't you realize, that you will never have enough RAM?

[08:19:21]

jvs:

:)

[08:20:10]

Dagmar:

Most of it's actually being used as filesystem cache

[08:20:26]

Dagmar:

Chicago: I am not a @#$@ gentoo user

[08:20:36]

Dagmar:

I make actual installable binary packages.

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jvs:

oh, I see

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Chicago:

Dagmar: You seem to dislike @#$@ gentoo... why don't you like to use it? The binary pacakges with Gentoo work great with portage just like they are designed to.

[08:22:05]

czthIII:

gentoo rocks, do not be dissin' kthx

[08:22:05]

jvs:

I am a "Q#$Q gentoo user" – sry for talking with you :p

[08:22:27]

Dagmar:

Chicago: I do not wish to be associated with the loonies who are using Gentoo.

[08:22:47]

Dagmar:

I don't much care for the pedants Slackware has, but at least they're less likely to make new mistakes the moment you blink.

[08:22:48]

Chicago:

Which other distro uses IRC Freenode for primary developer support?

[08:22:50]

jvs:

thats good

[08:22:58]

jvs:

because I don't want to be associated with you

[08:23:09]

hads:

*yawn*

[08:23:22]

Dagmar:

Not that I'm saying they're all loonies and pedants, but it's always the freaks that give everyone a bad impression

[08:23:43]

Chicago:

true

[08:23:53]

jvs:

actually

[08:24:11]

Chicago:

Not to encourage any type of flame war... but the amount of time I save avoiding RPMS and the speed I gain through CHOST optimizations is worth the lunacy to me.

[08:24:26]

Dagmar:

You just made my point.

[08:24:27]

jvs:

people judging other people based on the distribution they are using is somewhat silly

[08:24:45]

Chicago:

sometimes old dogs won't learn new tricks

[08:25:35]

Dagmar:

Sometimes newbies can't do simple math.

[08:31:18]

ffish:

is there a known bug where the internal DVD player will play an iso file too fast?

[08:31:59]

Dagmar:

nope

[08:34:00]

Dagmar:

Oh for god's sake

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Dagmar:

gnome-python-2.18.1.tar.gz|Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:29:13, and then gnome-python-2.18.2.tar.gz|Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:23:23

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Dagmar:

54 minutes?

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Ruleke:

ssshh I'm hunting wabbits

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juski:

gotta exterminate them all!

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Ruleke:

quiet today

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Ruleke:

some fallout from the long weekend ? :)

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juski:

who knows.. maybe some folks lost the will to live

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rsdvd_:

Hi Juski / All......there are some of us around.....just nothing interesting to say :-)

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juski:

never stopped me!

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rsdvd_:

lol

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juski:

actually, started making a new mythtv promo vid at the weekend

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juski:

720p !

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juski:

it's gonna be huge...

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juski:

the filesize that is

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rsdvd_:

:-) no-one in the UK will be able to watch it – most of my machines will nto play 720p

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juski:

I suspect my epia might

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juski:

though never tried it with 720p

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juski:

mpeg2 it'll prolly cope

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rsdvd_:

mine won't....M10k

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juski:

oh yeah.. they only decode up to 1024x1024

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juski:

I downloaded a 720p vid & managed to just about play it smoothly on the s100

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rsdvd_:

wow

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rsdvd_:

I did not think the s100 could handle anything that big

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juski:

yeah that's what I said

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juski:

it was a bit glitchy

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rsdvd_:

I thought the lack of memoery would stop it if nothing else

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juski:

nah

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juski:

though maybe it was the lack of memory holding it up

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rsdvd_:

do you have swap on?

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juski:

swap? wossat?

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rsdvd_:

:-)

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juski:

I didn't have at the time

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rsdvd_:

I might give it a go....with my 1 720p vid :-)

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juski:

yeah anyway, there's a test clip at www.mythtvtalk.com/juski/test.m2t

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juski:

fyi I've lost the mepo dude from the lower 3rd ;)

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Ruleke:

huh ?

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rsdvd_:

juski : I like the mepo dood though

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juski:

just for laughs I put him on the scrolly text thing

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Ruleke:

oh I see :)

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juski:

rsdvd_: I gave the mepo theme a proper tryout at the weekend. it cracked me up

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Ruleke:

hehe

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juski:

esp. the archive watermark & the appearance one

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Ruleke:

plays fine here

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rsdvd_:

juski : never installed it.....'cracked up you' as in it is funny or crap

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juski:

it was seriously cute & funny

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rsdvd_:

:-)

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rsdvd_:

I might intall it as a cute alternative

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juski:

might try & flex my character muscles & come up with an original mascot

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juski:

I reallly like the BBC3 'blobs' so no doubt it'd be inspired by them

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rsdvd_:

'inspired' :-)....no copying though

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Ruleke:

why can't you get decent specs about anything anymore

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juski:

I think Aardman would be flattered

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juski:

I'll dig up some howtos at lunchytime :)

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juski:

that's me – I'll have a go at anything

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rsdvd_:

I can't design at all.....I have not artistic streak! but i have promised to design a logo for a friends company :-(

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juski:

got to thinking about it seriously last night – the mascot could be a little dragon.. would fit in with 'mythical' I think

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rsdvd_:

very good! and you can design some cute dragons :-)

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juski:

since just about every 3d package has IK functionality it should be relative breeze

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Ruleke:

dragon... hmm isn't that taken by... bah I forgot

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rsdvd_:

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:LX-B7-aiy . . . s/dragon.jpg

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juski:

mepo has it all though – a breeze to model & animate.. bucky blobs

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juski:

when I really gave in to the cuteness was when I saw the appearance watermark.. standing there with a messy face looking for all the world like a kid with chocolate all over its mush

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rsdvd_:

lol.....I gota downlaod this theme now

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Ruleke:

:)

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juski:

we talked about kids' themes a while ago & I reckon characters are the way to go

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juski:

maybe not myth-tubbies :-P

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rsdvd_:

juski : you even get your name on his download page :-)

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juski:

yeah I patched mythvideo

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gardengnome:

re

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rsdvd_:

hi gardengnome

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gardengnome:

heya rsdvd_

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juski:

hiya gardengnome

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gardengnome:

the mythtv mascot should be a cute gardengnome, IMHO

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gardengnome:

morning juski

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juski:

I had that chat with the ubuntu guys :)

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gardengnome:

juski: how did it go? :)

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gardengnome:

ah, i can read the log myself

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gardengnome:

well done.

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rsdvd_:

gardengnome : we wait to see you cute gardengnome theme then :-)

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gardengnome:

rsdvd_: i'm not an artist

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juski:

gardengnome: yeah I think a PR disaster has been averted :)

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

ugh. i'm getting old... i need to go to bed earlier.

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juski:

funny but since I made that vid I've not seen a single user like that.

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juski:

oops I've said it now.. bring on the trolls

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gardengnome:

juski: what about a1fa? ;)

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** juski looks at his ignore list **

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juski:

nope – not on there

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gardengnome:

heh

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Administrator__:

I am trying to run mythfrontend with the Themepainter as OpenGL. The frontend appears with black screen. The message that i get is "QImage : Convertdepth : Image is a null image"

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Dagmar:

So go back to the qt theme painter

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juski:

what? and miss out on the fantastic fade?!

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juski:

;)

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Dagmar:

Damn I have got to get MacIver to stop feeding his newborn or something

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Dagmar:

I'd like it to be the case that I'm just whining, but I have a fast as hell machine and these gnome packages are coming out faster than I can build and test them working alone

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Ruleke:

yikes, hdmi cables are expensive

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Dagmar:

I've been building these damn things about 6–8 hours a day for just a day under two weeks now

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juski:

Ruleke: no they're not!

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Ruleke:

some are even rediculously expensive... what's the deal ?

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: Yes, because buzzwords are expensive to make up

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juski:

they don't have to be!

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Ruleke:

well what's a normal price for an hdmi one

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juski:

to get HDMI certification they test the bit error rate & if it's less than 1 in 15 billion (or something) it gets the tag 'approved'

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Ruleke:

ok...

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Ruleke:

so it's the certification that costs money ?

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juski:

so it matters not if you pay $5 or $500 – they're all the same if they've got the sticker

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Ruleke:

yeah that's what I figured already

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Dagmar:

Whatcha wanna do is search around for some high-quality general purpose cables that "just happen" to have what looks like an HDMI connector on each end

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Dagmar:

That way you're not paying for the testing procedure.

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Ruleke:

just wondering how some can advertise to be 'better'. Aren't there laws against that ?

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juski:

Ruleke: no, but the same is true of hifi cables too

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Dagmar:

Read their labels carefully.

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Ruleke:

I mean with analogue stuff they could get away with the goldplating and all that nonsense, but for a digital cable ?

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Dagmar:

They're not usually claiming to be "better".

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Dagmar:

They're just _implying_ that they're better.

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Ruleke:

:)

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juski:

are, fools, easily, with, parted, money, their – rearrange those words into a popular well-known catchphrase

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Ruleke:

boggles the mind

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juski:

look! gold-plated optical cables.. get them here!

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Ruleke:

hehe

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Dagmar:

It's like Marty Fikes over at Consumer Depot and his "morons will buy trash" business model.

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Dagmar:

He's got three separate eBay IDs for his company.

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Ruleke:

now with coherent beams of light

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Dagmar:

One is essentially where he gets rid of the excess and odds and ends from his local shop.

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juski:

screened mains cables are what really crack me up

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Dagmar:

One is where he gets rid of some bulk items he got for cheap

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Dagmar:

The other is the one the TN BBB would love to nail him for, if they actually ever did anything.

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juski:

so you screen the mains cable to stop all the nasty RF getting in... and the rest of the house wiring.. er.. what of that hmm? ;)

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Dagmar:

He makes millions buy buying the broken shit people return to Best Buy and CompUSA

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Ruleke:

bleh it's silly... but what would the price range be for a certified cable then ?

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juski:

Ruleke: varies

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Dagmar:

If it's certified, it's certified.

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juski:

I think to even sport the HDMI logo it has to be certified

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Ruleke:

juski: It's for those numpties that tie all the cables together behind the tv :P

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juski:

on packaging OR the cable itself

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: have you seen that ubuntu bug report about the /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend error message?

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: What, the one with the X session authentication error?

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Ruleke:

juski: order of magnitude at least ? ;)

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: yes

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: Yeah, I even asked it be reopened.

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Dagmar:

I think perhaps they might have solved the root problem because I've not seen one of their people in here with that particular issue in about a week and a half now

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Ruleke:

solved or worked around ? ;)

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juski:

Ruleke: in the UK, no more than say Â£15, so about 30 of your Earth Dollars

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Ruleke:

I don't use dollars

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Dagmar:

Hell, I don't care which they did so long as their people aren't in here with the same problem twice a night

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Dagmar:

Different problems would be cool.

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gardengnome:

heh

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Dagmar:

The same problem over and over again tells me something could be fixed to eliminate them all.

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: it'll be fixed for the next ubuntu release. they just had to unset two environment variables.

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gardengnome:

in the init script

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juski:

oh that session management error thing?

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gardengnome:

that problem has been around since mdz' packages..

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gardengnome:

juski: yep

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juski:

you told me to just ignore that

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gardengnome:

AFAIk, gentoo is plagued by it, too.

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gardengnome:

juski: it's not a problem. just annoying.

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juski:

I can think of more annoying things

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Dagmar:

Gentoo managed to get their sudo tangled up in X, too?

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: it's a Qt problem.

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juski:

gentoo have sudo now? oof

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gardengnome:

juski: "emerge sudo"? ;)

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/myt . . . 7/comments/4

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: granted, superm1 didn't put a lot of information in that posting ;)

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gardengnome:

juski: it is annoying when people think it's a problem while it's not.

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: I think he's on the wrong track entirely there.

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directhex|work:

if it works, leave it alone

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Dagmar:

Or rather, if it so happens that he IS on the right track, they're compiling Myth wrong somehow

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directhex|work:

unless you're bored

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: well, he claims to have fixed it *shrug*

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Dagmar:

The backend doesn't try to do anything with X

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Dagmar:

More likely they fixed whatever OMGoptimization was causing it in the first palce

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: it's built on qt. qt might do silly stuff.

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Dagmar:

If and only if you compile it wrong

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: the change took place in the init script.

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juski:

anyway more annoying is still the reluctance of noobs to rtfm. we should have them all neutered

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Dagmar:

I could deal with that.

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Dagmar:

Except then they'd be spending more time asking us dumb questions instead of spanking it to interweb porno

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Ruleke:

where did this 'noob' thing come from ? In my day newbie was the word :P

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: New times, stupider n00bs

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** Ruleke looks it up on wikipedia **

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directhex|work:

corruption of the language.

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juski:

rhymes with 'boob'

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directhex|work:

probably all counterstrike's fault

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juski:

better than calling oneself a 'nub' though

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Dagmar:

Sometimes you *do* have to lower the bar to reflect newer depths of ineptitude.

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Dagmar:

It's like Eskimos having 23 different words for "snow".

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juski:

hahaha

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gardengnome:

juski: i like "b00n". it's very, very stupid.

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Dagmar:

There's more newbies now than anyone ever thought possible, so we have to have new variations of the word so we can tell the various types of them from one anotehr

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sid3windr:

nublet!

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directhex|work:

beware the violently stupid

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sid3windr:

is it nublet < nub < n00b < noob < newb < newbie? :P

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directhex|work:

those who can knock you off your chair with their moron powers

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Dagmar:

I think it more forkks once you get below/around n00b

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Ruleke:

sigh

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Dagmar:

Different types of complete stupidity

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Dagmar:

None intrinsically more incompetant than the others

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juski:

a bit like mullets.. there are mullets and there are _mullets_

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gardengnome:

i like how user support turns into pure misanthropy in here :)

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directhex|work:

i'm a user. i feel supported by bile and hate

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juski:

hey I was just saying a minute ago how I'd not seen such a user for a while

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Dagmar:

juski: Well, it helped that references to the IRC channel have been moved off the top page of certain sites

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juski:

which sites?

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** Dagmar whistles innocently **

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juski:

I always wondered how people found this place before the docs...

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Dagmar:

I didn't do it but I can pretty much guarantee that's what's happened

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directhex|work:

juski, by guessing #mythtv exists, and reading /topic

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gardengnome:

no, you just prepared the botnet to back your dDoS threat... ;)

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Dagmar:

Like, for awhile NLUG went to the trouble of getting it's site indexed in Google so people could find it. The number of new people who joined the undernet channel was <2 per month when the channel wasn't on the top page of the NLUG site.

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Dagmar:

It was >5 per week when it *was* listed on the top page of the NLUG site

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juski:

they must all be weird people to even know IRC still exists :-P

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Dagmar:

Newbies will take pestering a person over reading a static document any time they can get it

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directhex|work:

newbies are fine. ignorance can be cured

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Dagmar:

Sometimes you have to cut it out with a sharp knife.

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directhex|work:

the problem is the incurably ignorant (the "stupid")

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Dagmar:

...but on the whole I agree with you.

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Dagmar:

You can spot those because they bristle at the mention of the word "ignorant"

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Dagmar:

"I R NOT IGNURNT!"

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directhex|work:

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directhex|work:

which was written with #debian in mind, but applies globally

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Dagmar:

gardengnome: "Now my understanding of ICEauthority files is that they are generated on logon, so it's not exactly trivial to setup an ICEauthority file for the mythtv user that would consistently work." <-- this should be a big hint that this is the wrong approach to take, actually.

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Dagmar:

I'm sure at some point Mario is going to have a hand+face moment and go back and delete that

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Dagmar:

...cuz those files aren't generated when a user logs in. They're generated when X is started.

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: hum. so, mythbackend/Qt will complain because it's not there, probably. because X is never started by "mythtv".

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Dagmar:

Actually, whatever they're doing is trying to authenticate so that it can attach to the display, hence it's getting that authentication and disconnection erorr

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Dagmar:

It shoudln't be doing so at all.

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Dagmar:

Mine, for instance, never ever even tries.

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Dagmar:

I can set the DISPLAY variable to stupid things, create .ICEauthority as a symlink to itself, etc, nothing goes wrong.

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Dagmar:

Sometimes I have the frontend and X running when I start the backend, but most of the time I dont'.

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Dagmar:

This is why I keep insisting that something is very wrong with what they're doing. The backend does not rely on X in the least, qt linkage or not.

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Dagmar:

Something has to be really fried for it to even be trying.

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Ruleke:

taking the piss ? :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok i have tryed typing at "chansvr

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ubuntuEdgy:

ohh isee

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gardengnome:

i'm not sure if #mythtv-users is the best place to learn IRC ;)

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Ruleke:

certainly not when looking for juski

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Ruleke:

:)

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ubuntuEdgy:

i knwo hwo tu use irc

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Ruleke:

"I R NOT IGNURNT!"

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gardengnome:

lolz

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh right

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Ruleke:

sorry ubuntuEdgy I'm just linking to previous conversation

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ubuntuEdgy:

any way im trying still to test mythweb , im using my phone.

[12:22:25]

ubuntuEdgy:

that was not meeeeeeeeeee

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Ruleke:

I didn't say you were

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ubuntuEdgy:

!!!!!!!!!!!what are you insinuating

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juski:

!trout ubuntuEdgy

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** MythLogBot slaps ubuntuEdgy with a trout on behalf of juski... **

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ubuntuEdgy:

what ?

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Ruleke:

I've read about this... some cultures put punctuation before the sentence

[12:23:48]

Ruleke:

sorta like that question mark in spanish

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gardengnome:

Ruleke: the spanish do that for question/exclamation marks

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** ubuntuEdgy hugs juski **

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Ruleke:

gardengnome: yeah, but after too

[12:24:08]

gardengnome:

yep

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gardengnome:

it's kinda useful, actually.

[12:24:19]

Ruleke:

must be a local irc dialect

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ubuntuEdgy:

!! yeh im spanish !!!!!

[12:24:33]

Ruleke:

hurrah

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gardengnome:

makes you hide even before the wife can finish her yelling...

[12:24:43]

Ruleke:

hehe on irc ? :)

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gardengnome:

ubuntuEdgy: no, your host is ntl.com

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Dagmar:

This is going to seem like a non-sequitir, but have any of you seen the Orbit gum commercial that takes place on the beach?

[12:25:05]

Ruleke:

we could keep playing ofcourse, but I'm not THAT bored

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Ruleke:

Dagmar: no

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Dagmar:

...where they've got a guy buried in sand up to his neck, and then another guy starts pouring sand into his mouth?

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: Keep your eyes peeled at the end of that one.

[12:25:31]

Ruleke:

Dagmar: you sure you didn't dream it ?

[12:25:41]

Ruleke:

nah I've never seen it

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Ruleke:

I don't even now what Orbit is

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** juski wonders when ntl hostnames will change to virgin ones **

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Dagmar:

This is a beach, so I'm pretty sure this is on purpose, but at the very end of it, the guy who was pouring the bucket finishes up by slapping the buried man's head with a fish which looks suspiciously like a freshwater trout

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: The commercial with the british chick all in white saying "Dirty mouth? Clean it up!"

[12:26:40]

Ruleke:

the troutslapping doesn't make me think of commercials but of Monty Python tbh...

[12:26:55]

Ruleke:

must be me

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Ruleke:

:P

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Ruleke:

maybe you're in the wrong channel when askign abotu commercials anyways ;)

[12:27:36]

Ruleke:

gah I can't typ

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Ruleke:

e

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Ruleke:

:)

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

someone is going to regret something he has said earlier. :)

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Ruleke:

echo

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gardengnome:

< Ruleke> echo

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juski:

wtf is mythtvweb? :-P

[12:31:22]

Ruleke:

:)

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ubuntuEdgy:

gardengnome:please

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ubuntuEdgy:

mythWeb

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juski:

how should you log onto mythweb.. from where?

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Ruleke:

for some questions you have no idea how to even begin answering them

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok from the internet

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juski:

if you have a router, forward port 80 to the box with mythweb on it

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gardengnome:

Ruleke: i do, but it'd be a long and painful process. ("well, let's start with your router... did you forword them ports?")

[12:32:48]

Ruleke:

should you start with explaining NAT, routing, firewalling, htaccess or ...

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ubuntuEdgy:

gardengnome:yes i have

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ubuntuEdgy:

8080~80

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juski:

oh yeah first you should protect mythweb with .htaccess at the very least!

[12:33:56]

Ruleke:

:)

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ubuntuEdgy:

done

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gardengnome:

that's your external IP address on IRC at least

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Ruleke:

which you saw with that nifty whois you learned earlier

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ubuntuEdgy:

i will try them all

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Saviq:

hi guys, one question: how do I get mythvideo to load only files of known types, not all except for ignored ones?

[12:36:21]

ubuntuEdgy:

still no luck

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: 8080 is your router admin port, you numpty

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Ruleke:

ooh an admin port presented to teh intarweb ? ;)

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juski:

oh and look I can configure your router from my desktop!

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ubuntuEdgy:

wha

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RaYmAn-Bx:

lol, default passwords rule? ;)

[12:38:27]

Ruleke:

:)

[12:38:33]

RaYmAn-Bx:

indeed.

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ubuntuEdgy:

dream in

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RaYmAn-Bx:

uhm

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juski:

tempting to teach a lesson

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RaYmAn-Bx:

default password work.

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gardengnome:

i don't wanna know

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RaYmAn-Bx:

ubuntuEdgy: you really want to fix that.

[12:39:08]

juski:

I could fix that!

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Ruleke:

haha

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I find it scary when routers throw admin interfaces public, even with the default password still set :(

[12:40:05]

Ruleke:

stop bullying our spanish ntl user

[12:40:26]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I'm bullying the company that made his router

[12:40:41]

RaYmAn-Bx:

well..him a little bit too ;)

[12:41:03]

gardengnome:

don't break his stuff, that would be mean.

[12:41:11]

RaYmAn-Bx:

and illegal.

[12:41:36]

RaYmAn-Bx:

in fact, just logging into his router is probably illegal

[12:41:41]

Ruleke:

what you mean this isn't a demo account ? :)

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juski:

I say if something is out there & unprotected it's fair game

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juski:

pity the law doesn't agree :(

[12:42:32]

Ruleke:

it's like that homemade porn dir I just found ;)

[12:42:56]

juski:

with the plastic bags, stockings & orange in the mouth? lemme see!

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Ruleke:

yieks juski you are flewible

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Ruleke:

flexible too

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directhex|work:

juski, if you left your front door unlocked, you'd not be happy to find your neighbors walking out with the TV

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ubuntuEdg1:

yeh .....

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juski:

directhex|work: no but I'd still curse myself for not locking the door

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Dagmar:

Ah but there's a difference between walking off with the TV and evaluating the feng shui of it's placement in relation to the rest of the room.

[12:43:50]

Ruleke:

what if they came in to close the open windows while you were away on holiday ?

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directhex|work:

Ruleke, have you turned off globally accessible web administration?

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Ruleke:

I haven't done a thing

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Ruleke:

ouch

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Ruleke:

someone did

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Dagmar:

Good for them then

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ubuntuEdg1:

omg

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juski:

ubuntuEdg1: you need to disable remote admin AND change the password

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juski:

NOW!

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juski:

*NOW*

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ubuntuEdg1:

ok ok

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Dagmar:

Before I manage to login to it

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directhex|work:

and the username, if you can

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directhex|work:

jsut for good measure

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Ruleke:

alternatively, you could do tcp/ip over carrier pigeon with one time pads... but that's probably more work

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Dagmar:

"The bogeyman is gonna git j00" is never as much of an incentive as "I'm going to git j00!"

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: Funny you should mention that. I just finished my first OTP volume last night using 100% recycled internet porn.

[12:46:19]

Ruleke:

heh

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Saviq:

anyone here knows od a DVB-S card that would fit in Dell's mini pcs?

[12:46:35]

Ruleke:

not random enough then ;)

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ubuntuEdg1:

done

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Saviq:

s/od/of/

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ubuntuEdg1:

still can log on ?

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Dagmar:

650mb of effectively random data, composed originally of approximately 4Gb of porno, xor'd, sha'd and md5 hashed 18 times each.

[12:47:06]

Ruleke:

Saviq: I saw someone ask for a low profile dvb-s card on linux-dvb maillist... not sure if they got a reply

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juski:

ubuntuEdg1: that's a lcoal subnet

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ubuntuEdg1:

thats my internal ip right ??

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juski:

yes

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it doesn't anymore though.

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ubuntuEdg1:

ohh i see

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Ruleke:

ubuntuEdg1: the router was set to be accessible from the internet side too, most routers have an option to disable that

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juski:

so to be able to log into mythweb from the interweb you need to forward port 80 to that IP address

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ubuntuEdg1:

i will one day get my revenge on you all you.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hey, at least no one messed up your router =P

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ubuntuEdg1:

i have done all this

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RaYmAn-Bx:

in fact, we helped you!

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juski:

ubuntuEdg1: nobody did any harm. I tried 8080 on the IP you posted & told you it was open

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RaYmAn-Bx:

juski: they'd have to guess that the user/pw was admin/admin though!

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ubuntuEdg1:

it asked you for mythweb user name and adress ?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

oh, wait.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

;)

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juski:

my dad's router got owned like that – they uploaded new firmware to it

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RaYmAn-Bx:

ouch

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gardengnome:

juski: ah, an openwrt device? nice :)

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juski:

it was salvagable

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ubuntuEdg1:

so can i now log on to other peoples routers fur the kick of it

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juski:

nah – dunno what they'd done

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that's relatively hard to fix without a jtag cable or similar, if done right anyways

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juski:

renamed a file & it started worky again

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juski:

funny but the internet side was fine

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juski:

ubuntuEdg1: nobody did it for the fun of it – it was to prove a point

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gardengnome:

"funny"? why would they block internet access when they want to send v1agr4 mail? :)

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juski:

if I'd done it for kicks I'd have actually _done_ stuff

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juski:

gardengnome: just some malicious kid gone wrong

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ubuntuEdg1:

ahh , like renew my ip ?

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juski:

ubuntuEdg1: not I

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juski:

anyway point is you're secure now

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ubuntuEdg1:

;) im going to renew yours

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juski:

good luck with that

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gardengnome:

renew mine o/

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juski:

this is how wars start

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ubuntuEdg1:

i still cant get to the, mythweb, i will try again tomorrow.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

try using a different external port

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juski:

ubuntuEdg1: what port are you running mythweb on?

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gardengnome:

you can't exactly forward port 8080 when the web interface of your router is listening there. well, you can, but it's probably not the best idea.

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ubuntuEdg1:

juski: i dont knwo what port i should use

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juski:

ubuntuEdg1: have you reconfigured apache to use anything other than port 80?

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ubuntuEdg1:

gardengnome: god point ,that's where you guys could log on right ?

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ubuntuEdg1:

juski:nah, i have not , juski but you told me you could connect why cant i

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juski:

ubuntuEdg1: that was your router admin port!

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juski:

not the myth box where apache is running

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ubuntuEdg1:

ok should we chnage that port , also how ?

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schwin:

heh!

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juski:

read the manual for your router?

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ubuntuEdg1:

yeh i know how to use it.

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ubuntuEdg1:

i can port forward now

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juski:

secure mythweb!

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ubuntuEdg1:

i havedone it

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directhex|work:

this is a long shot... there are no reports of the sony playstation 3 remote working with myth are there?

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ubuntuEdg1:

or have you logged on to that too ?

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d31|home:

later guys

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visi:

is is possible to rip a cd and watch tv at the same time?

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visi:

I'm using 0.20 so I don't know if in newer versions it is possible

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ubuntuEdg1:

my httpd.conf dose not have any port settings why is this ?

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rsdvd_:

ubuntuEdg1 : tyr looking for 'listen'

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juski:

apache2.conf on ubunut isn't it?

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juski:

/etc/apache2/ports.conf

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ubuntuEdg1:

can any one try now on port 85

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ubuntuEdg1:

please

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Dagmar:

On what _IP_?

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rsdvd_:

I cannot connect to any port on your machine

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ubuntuEdg1:

can you try one more time

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Dagmar:

Already tried twice

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Dagmar:

Your machine isn't listening on that port and IP

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Dagmar:

Either that or it's firewalled out

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ubuntuEdg1:

ok , the lights do come on ,or indicate

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Dagmar:

Use `netstat -tunap | grep http` and see what it's listening to

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juski:

if apache is running on port 85 you have to fwd port 85 to its IP

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juski:

oh and if you'd not restarted apache after making the change, do so now

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ubuntuEdg1:

i dont see any thing with netstat -tunap | grep http

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juski:

try grapping for apache instead

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ubuntuEdg1:

it just resturns to $ or #

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juski:

I get tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 18521/apache2

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juski:

I hate how apache works on ubunut. took me ages to get used to how it works on gentoo

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juski:

doesn't bear much relation to the *real* apache setup either

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Dagmar:

yech

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nero:

hey juski – remember yesterday I said thanks for the great WS themes?

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nero:

Well, I just got my first WS TV, and have been looking at your themes in all their 40" 720p glory, and BRAVO! They look great! Thanks again!

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juski:

no problem! just send 100EUR now to djjus@paypal.com

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juski:

:-P

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nero:

hehe.. sorry.. after buying this 40" LCD, I got nothin left.. ;)

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juski:

per theme, that is

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nero:

err... did I say "juski's themes?" I meant "the other guy that is making beautiful widescreen themes" ;)

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juski:

oh you mean jams? he's the only other person who's made more than one wide theme AFAIK

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nero:

juski, if jams doesnt collect.. then yeah, I meant him ;) (j/k of course)

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rsdvd_:

has anyone here got a home-made lirc reciever?

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nero:

rsdvd_, I do

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rsdvd_:

do you find the range is pathetic? I juts tried mine and It cannot pick anything up across the room

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** nero thinks he should try theming again.. **

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nero:

rsdvd_, no- I can hit it from 15' (as far as I can get from it in this room)

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juski:

rsdvd_: mine works fine from the end of the room, and mine's 10 metres long!

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nero:

rsdvd_, which design did you use?

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rsdvd_:

:-( not suer what is worng then

[13:50:20]

rsdvd_:

I think I got it from the lirc pages.....I built in last year sometime just never used it

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juski:

rsdvd_: sunlight, floosy lighting?

[13:50:29]

juski:

flossy, even

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rsdvd_:

juski : could be sunlight – it is rather bright today.....but no electric light on

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juski:

try doing cat /dev/lirc & using another remote

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rsdvd_:

juski – good idea!

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rsdvd_:

mmmm......seems it is actually the crappy Hauppague remote.....other remotes seem to work from a distance...just not the Hauppague

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juski:

fresh batteries ftw!

[14:14:57]

juski:

not happy. need a doc's appointment & the surgery number just rings & rings & rings :(

[14:15:47]

juski:

wouldn't care if the damn recptionist isn't gonna try diagnosis me on the phone. dunno wtf they think they are to do that

[14:16:19]

gardengnome:

it's cheaper that way.. ;)

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fryfrog:

just tell them you are bleeding out the asshole

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juski:

was thinking along those lines

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schwin:

rectal cancer!

[14:18:41]

schwin:

'bitch i have rectal cancer stop talking to me'

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** MythLogBot slaps schwin with a language trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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schwin:

oh sure but bleeding out the asshole is fine :P

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Ruleke:

no female dogs allowed

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juski:

I'd say it's quite serious, but then I'm not a doctor

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directhex|work:

hm. i wonder where a /dev/input/eventX device gets its list of keys from

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ubuntuEdg1:

hey im back

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Ruleke:

directhex|work: keymaps ?

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gardengnome:

directhex|work: kernel, afaik

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Ruleke:

err wouldn't that be /usr/share/keymaps/ or so ?

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Ruleke:

not sure about event devices tho :P

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directhex|work:

Ruleke, lower level than that

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Ruleke:

ah well defkeymap then

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ubuntuEdg1:

i now have a seriuse error, http://pastebin.ca/432895

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Ruleke:

linux/drivers/char/defkeymap.c or so

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ubuntuEdg1:

serious8

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ubuntuEdg1:

juski

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esandeen:

does anyone know if recent mythtfrontends can handle their logs being rotated out from under them?

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esandeen:

recent == SVN or so

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rsdvd_:

esandeen : as far as I know – the myth logs are all optional therefore will not be read my myth itself (only written) so I cannot see any reason why myth woudl care if they are there or not

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esandeen:

rsdvd_, but if you rotate the logs while the frontend still has them open, things wont' behave as accepted

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esandeen:

generally the app needs to accept a HUP signal to close & re-open the log

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Ruleke:

rsdvd_: file descriptor ? :)

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esandeen:

as expected...

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Ruleke:

just truncate them

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rsdvd_:

esandeen : if you use logrotate then that is handled for you (as far as I know)

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Ruleke:

if you set logrotate to truncate

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esandeen:

rsdvd_, hmm logrotate will send the signal...

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esandeen:

ok, yeah, maybe truncating does work

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Ruleke:

it does

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Ruleke:

I do it

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esandeen:

ok :)

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Ruleke:

why wouldn't it :)

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esandeen:

that is still different behavior between front end & back end, though, I think

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esandeen:

just FWIW

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Ruleke:

no I do it for the backend too iirc

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esandeen:

hmm

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Ruleke:

just simple

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esandeen:

well I think backend accepts a HUP

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Ruleke:

yeah could be, I was lazy at the time

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esandeen:

my stock logrotate file from my distro for the backend does...

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esandeen:

postrotate

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esandeen:

/bin/kill -HUP `cat /var/run/mythbackend.pid

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Ruleke:

I think there are some logrotate confs in the contrib dir these days, I could be wrong

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Ruleke:

ok perfect then

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esandeen:

but that doesn't work for frontend.

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esandeen:

*shrug* ok I'll just do truncating, hadn't thought of that ;)

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Ruleke:

logrotate has a directive for it

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esandeen:

yep, wasn't thinking that way

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Ruleke:

copytruncate or something

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esandeen:

tried -HUP to no avail

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juski:

damnit! no appointments available for this week. wtf do I pay my taxes for again?!

[14:51:17]

gardengnome:

um

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gardengnome:

surveillance?

[14:51:33]

juski:

hah

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directhex|work:

teeth whitener for the PM

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schwin:

wow, i get same day appointments at my regular dr's

[14:52:21]

directhex|work:

i got an appointment this morning with my doctor

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directhex|work:

and a blood test appointment 30 minutes later

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: That's just done with a $80 video filter now

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juski:

well apparently I have to book a day off work & ring the surgery at 8am to get an appointment

[14:53:58]

juski:

how does that work? can't book further in advance than same day...

[14:56:14]

stephelton:

my hdtv card is found at /dev/video0 and mythtv lists this under setup, but when i go to setup channels and scan, it says it can't read from the card. myth is running as user stephen, who is in group video, and the card is root:video with read/write permissions to group. am i missing something?

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juski:

stephelton: wrong card type in mythtv-setup?

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juski:

e.g. you've set it as 'v4l device' when it should be 'atsc/hdtv whatever'

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Saviq:

is it currently possible to exit from mythmusic and have it playing still?

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juski:

Saviq: nope

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Saviq:

:|

[14:58:52]

juski:

:|

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juski:

Saviq: not until you patch it to be a background music player!

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Saviq:

;]

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Saviq:

I knew it

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Saviq:

believe me, I'd really like to be able to do that... but I'm not this good at coding :|

[15:00:47]

juski:

so less of the :|

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anykey_:

learn..

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Saviq:

anykey_: eventually – I probably will

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visi:

juski, do you know if it is possible to rip a cd with mythmusic and watch tv? Or is it the same deal there?

[15:02:18]

juski:

mythmusic lets you rip cds?

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visi:

yeah

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stephelton:

juski: it detects the card correctly

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juski:

and you can even watch tv with it?

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stephelton:

as HD5500 or whatever

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juski:

jesus I'll have to check this 'myth' TV thing out

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visi:

yeah you should

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directhex|work:

writing myth patches is easy. the problem is writing patches that don't suck

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juski:

you know when you ask a question & nobody gives you an answer? it's usually because a) nobody cares or b) nobody knows !

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schwin:

heh

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directhex|work:

it'd be nuce to know whether it's a or b though

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juski:

AFAIK in mythmusic, cd ripping sticks you in there til it's done

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juski:

and if you bothered to TRY it yourself you'd find out

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schwin:

hah he got you to answer it

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schwin:

dingding!

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juski:

yeah well – so I answered one lazy-bones' question

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schwin:

thats much more adjective than i was thinking

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schwin:

+polite

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juski:

fucking hell you don't have to be Einstein to work this crap out

[15:10:43]

visi:

I did try, I just didn't know if it worked with the newer versions.

[15:10:55]

visi:

but ty

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juski:

0.20 is the newest stable version

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juski:

if you need to know about the lastest, get off your ass & read the -dev list & -commits archives

[15:14:16]

moh:

Is there a date in mind for releasing 0.21?

[15:14:19]

Dagmar:

So, um, should I be messing with this radium?

[15:14:39]

juski:

Dagmar: do you like being alive? ;)

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** Dagmar shakes the magic 8-Ball which says: "The signs are unclear." **

[15:15:03]

moh:

Dagmar: lots of times projects do have a target date.

[15:15:06]

moh:

shrug

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** juski sighs. the 0.21 questions have already started **

[15:15:29]

Dagmar:

moh: So have you looked at the wiki, checked the mailing list, anything like that?

[15:15:46]

moh:

nope, I'm on IRC. This is just conversation.

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Dagmar:

Oh I see.

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** Dagmar polishes the Magic 8-Ball. **

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moh:

0.20 works fine for me

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Ruleke:

hurrah

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schwin:

heh

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schwin:

.15 worked for me, same with .16, .17, .18, hated .19, and so does .20!

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directhex|work:

i don't need to memorize multiplex frequencies anymore when channel scanning. kids these days have it easy

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Ruleke:

you don't ?

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Ruleke:

I do

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gardengnome:

me too

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gardengnome:

well, the multiplex *frequency* is easy, the other stuff isn't :)

[15:19:58]

schwin:

notes ftw

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Ruleke:

yeah the automatic stuff gets the QAM setting wrong

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Ruleke:

sets it to QAM64 instead of QAM256

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directhex|work:

all the cool kids use QAM64

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directhex|work:

shame i have crap reception

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Dagmar:

Okay. this Imus thing is just sad

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Dagmar:

We're going on 20 minutes of CNN showing nothing but people talking about how cool they are

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Dagmar:

Perhaps a house will fall on Sharpton soon

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madfactor:

Is an upgrade from 0.19 to 0.20 difficult?

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W6SN:

ok, here's a dumb question... how do i set TERM inside the nuvexport environment?

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Dagmar:

You type `export TERM=vt100`

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Dagmar:

Unix 100

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SlicerDicer-:

lol did you read the latest AACS asplode stuff that is funny

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SlicerDicer-:

they patched windvd only to have it be nullfied by another 1337 haxx0r LOL!!

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tank-man:

madfactor, if you follow the instructions, no it is not hard

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gardengnome:

SlicerDicer-: where can i read about that?

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SlicerDicer-:

not that I have HD-DVD or Blu-Ray I am waiting for the format war dust to settle before I do anything

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SlicerDicer-:

doom9 gardengnome

[15:33:06]

SlicerDicer-:

let me get a link

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SlicerDicer-:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=aefa1 . . . 4&page=6

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SlicerDicer-:

there ya go

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directhex|work:

i'm waiting for a format where i can go "mplayer dvd://"

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SlicerDicer-:

its without AACS Authentication BWA HA HA HA morons

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SlicerDicer-:

DRM ftl

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bradd:

quit

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tank-man:

you can already type "mplayer dvd://"

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tank-man:

to play a dvd

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directhex|work:

tank-man, genius! where can i buy this "DVD" of which you speak?

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tank-man:

anywhere :P

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SlicerDicer-:

LIES!

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directhex|work:

how about "mplayer reel-to-reel-tape://"?

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bradd:

not exactly a mythtv specific question, but, i have a hdmi video card that is working great for video output to my tv...the card came with a cable to connect the internal digital audio out on the motherboard to the hdmi card...should audio be working over the hdmi cable or is this something not yet implemented yet?

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SlicerDicer-:

directhex|work: I have no doubt that could be done in linux :) thats the scary part

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SlicerDicer-:

bradd: I have no idea about audio and HDMI I would assume that the audio is a negatory

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SlicerDicer-:

bradd: only due to never hearing about it working

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directhex|work:

SlicerDicer-, i'm currently plotting to get the sony ps3 remote control working. i have a 250 line python script as a starting point

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bradd:

yup..i havent really been able to find any information about it searching the web for the past few days

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bradd:

my tv is retarded...the dvi/hmdi input only has analog audio inputs for that channel..yet the vga input has a toslink connection...

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W6SN:

Dagmar: don't be a smartass. it's inside the nuvexport environment that is being spawned by backend

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gardengnome:

W6SN: you should have said that. smartass.

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Dagmar:

See if I answer your question now

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W6SN:

fine, don't.

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SlicerDicer-:

gardengnome: interesting no?

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gardengnome:

SlicerDicer-: yep

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Dagmar:

W6SN: You need to seek therapy. This is the third time you've responded to an answer you didn't like by being a jackass.

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gardengnome:

SlicerDicer-: mind you, thou shalt not talk about breaking media encryption in here .)

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SlicerDicer-:

of course not

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bradd:

Slicer..i actually just got it to work. the digital audio output was muted...so..audio via hdmi does work..

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directhex|work:

how about using a CAM legitimately?

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SlicerDicer-:

gardengnome: I just thought it was interesting and I see no harm in mentioning it :)

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directhex|work:

or do we still pretend those don't exist?

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SlicerDicer-:

gardengnome: it would be like mentioning how before the DMCA the EFF cracked DES ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

but I will say that those guys are way smarter than I will think about being LOL

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SlicerDicer-:

that are doing it anyway

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mch:

hallo

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mch:

i have a question....

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mch:

can i start mythtv from console with an option to open a special channel..

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mch:

e.g. mythtv --cannel 1

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mch:

sry...

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mch:

mythtv --channel 1

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mch:

so can anyone help me?

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mch:

ps. sry for my bad english

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gardengnome:

i don't think so. maybe you can use the telnet network control..

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Dagmar:

You can at least configure tuners to default to a given channel tho

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mch:

i know...

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mch:

k... i'll try it with telnet... thx... bye...

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madfactor:

help kinda hard to come by in here anymore?

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W6SN:

seems as such.

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Beirdo:

heh

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gardengnome:

yeah

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gardengnome:

too many assholes. excuse my language.

[16:01:54]

Beirdo:

only as much help as the others are willing to provide (that includes those complaining)

[16:02:08]

madfactor:

I am gathering some general information, right now.

[16:02:12]

Beirdo:

pissing off those who try to help is counterproductive (as gardengnome is alluding to)

[16:02:23]

Beirdo:

yeah, not a problem, I meant in general terms :)

[16:02:25]

madfactor:

I understand. :)

[16:02:41]

** Beirdo chucks a wireless mouse at gardengnome **

[16:02:42]

RaYmAn-Bx:

this channel certainly isn't harder to get help in than most open source project help channels ;)

[16:02:43]

directhex|work:

i want to achieve great things! i just need someone smarter than me to do all the hard work... Â¬_Â¬

[16:02:48]

gardengnome:

Beirdo: oh, there are plenty of ... annoying people on the other side as well

[16:02:55]

Beirdo:

oh, but of course

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madfactor:

I have had an established knoppmyth installation that has been running for over 9 months.

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** Beirdo feels like debuging today.... hope xris is in soon **

[16:03:19]

Beirdo:

debugging even

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madfactor:

On the 0.19 platform.

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Beirdo:

see if I can't track down his problem with beirdobot w/ mysql

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: so. factoids? :)

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madfactor:

I am going to compile a master backend on another server using the 0.20 platform.

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Beirdo:

I said debug... :)

[16:04:07]

Beirdo:

not add new bugs

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Beirdo:

I might add new features later though :)

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madfactor:

I know that upgrading is usually fairly intuitive, but since I am move to a different machine, can I compile a completely new install and move and update my databases in a two step process?

[16:06:05]

antiPosix:

anyone have an mceusb2 device setup to transmit

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madfactor:

Also... if I upgrade the master backend to 0.20, do all the frontend machines (currently xboxes) have to by upgraded to 0.20 also?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

madfactor: afaik mythtv updates the database in-program, so it certainly should work

[16:06:36]

RaYmAn-Bx:

as long as you have backups it should be fine =P

[16:06:43]

RaYmAn-Bx:

and yes FE/BE has to be same version.

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madfactor:

So... I just copy the flat database files, and when the backend is ran the first time, it will automatically detect database versions and update schema accordingly?

[16:08:00]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I'm not sure copying the flat database files is a good idea tbh

[16:08:12]

RaYmAn-Bx:

but otherwise, I believe it's fine

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's generally better to dump the db in a suitable format and then load it up on the new box

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madfactor:

I could prolly one way replicate it anyway.

[16:09:29]

kormoc|afk:

antiPosix, I do, bug me later if you don't figure it out

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RaYmAn-Bx:

madfactor: yeah..it's just sort of dangerous to just copy the files..possible version incompatibilities and such

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GreyFoxx:

madfactor: Just stop myth, mysqldump the database, copy to the new machine and import the sql dump

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madfactor:

Hmmm... I dunno if the new myth will even compile on the xbox.

[16:10:22]

GreyFoxx:

it will rebuild the database and you will be good to go

[16:10:35]

madfactor:

That is nice to know.

[16:10:36]

madfactor:

:)

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madfactor:

rsync all the tv files too?

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madfactor:

Do I have to keep the same file path structure too?

[16:11:33]

GreyFoxx:

Yeah, if you can try to keep it in the same location as the original machine, and keep the same hostname and you will have a much easier time

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madfactor:

If I move the database over... or are all those hooks changed too?

[16:11:58]

madfactor:

I can't keep the same hostname.

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GreyFoxx:

the location is stored in the database

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madfactor:

I thought all config was database on myth.

[16:12:45]

madfactor:

That is actually very nice.

[16:12:47]

gardengnome:

um, brain dysfunctional... how would i ask a store not to sell an item because i want to buy it later?

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kormoc|afk:

gardengnome, lay-a-way?

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GreyFoxx:

All config is stored in the database, but it's keyed off the hostname for non global values

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madfactor:

see if they will hold it for you?

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Beirdo:

gardengnome, could ask them to put it on hold for you if you will be there in less than a day (most places should do that)

[16:13:26]

madfactor:

the hostname is going to be a problem.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

GreyFoxx: presumably you can just do a quick update to change the hostname.

[16:13:47]

RaYmAn-Bx:

at least, I remember doing that at some point

[16:13:56]

Beirdo:

if you plan on being there in a week or something, putting it on lay-away (as kormoc|afk indicated) might be a smarter plan :)

[16:13:57]

GreyFoxx:

RaYmAn-Bx: It can be done yes, but for most people it's a daunting task

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madfactor:

will mythtv-setup allow me to reset it?

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gardengnome:

Beirdo: thanks

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gardengnome:

a friend of mine asked me, he wants to buy something from the US :)

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SlicerDicer-:

gardengnome: amazon!

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Beirdo:

I've called to get stuff held for me when I'm on the way to the store to make sure some other ass doesn't buy it

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SlicerDicer-:

gardengnome: more than likely cheapa too

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GreyFoxx:

madfactor: no, running mythtv-setup will store brand new values, So anything global would be updated fine, but any values that are host specific wont be updated

[16:15:01]

Beirdo:

hey, kormoc|afk... if you see xris before I see him on here, tell him I feel like finding his bot problem :)

[16:15:09]

RaYmAn-Bx:

GreyFoxx: true, but if he's capable of setting up sane replication he shouldn't have a problem :)

[16:15:12]

kormoc|afk:

Beirdo, heh, will do :)

[16:15:20]

gardengnome:

SlicerDicer-: it's a device that'll let him hack his game boy somehow. don't ask.. :)

[16:15:36]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc|afk: btw the new videos thing

[16:15:44]

madfactor:

I'm just not sure of the myth specifics.

[16:15:45]

** SlicerDicer- does the borat NIIIICE!! **

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SlicerDicer-:

gardengnome: lol

[16:16:17]

Beirdo:

I want a baseball game for my Windows box :)

[16:16:58]

RaYmAn-Bx:

madfactor: I don't remember the exact table schema, but it's basically just doing UPDATE settings SET hostname='newhostname' WHERE hostname='oldhostname'..at least as far as I remember (table and column names are prolly quite wrong)

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madfactor:

OH K... I see the hostname fields in settings container

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madfactor:

most are set to NULL.

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GreyFoxx:

madfactor: Those are global values that are not host specific or are not host overrides

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frink_:

yo

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juski:

frink_: we you wondering about port 80 being blocked by ntl yesterday?

[16:23:51]

madfactor:

So, I can delete all records that are not relevant to the server backend, settings for other backends, frontends, etc... and query database to replace the hostname of oldbackend to newbackend.

[16:24:10]

madfactor:

And leave all NULL/global records in place.

[16:24:15]

juski:

madfactor: be frickin' careful

[16:24:28]

madfactor:

I am asking...

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Saviq:

erm guys... am I missing something? What do I need to do to have myth shut down my pc when exiting? Apart from setting the halt command?

[16:24:37]

GreyFoxx:

You're best off just starting from scratch

[16:24:44]

GreyFoxx:

then import just the recorded table

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madfactor:

Hmmm.

[16:24:58]

GreyFoxx:

then 1 update to the recorded table to set the hostname of the machine containing the recordings

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juski:

madfactor: if you're about to get neck deep in mysql without knowing precisely what you're messing with – er.. well i don't forsee any good coming of it

[16:25:19]

madfactor:

What about all my programs on the old box?

[16:25:20]

GreyFoxx:

then just run mythcommflag to rebuild the seektables for each recording

[16:25:47]

GreyFoxx:

madfactor: Info about those is stored in the recorded table

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GreyFoxx:

Just to be clear though

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juski:

use tha backup you already have

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juski:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

are you moving between 2 machines with the SAME version of myth ?

[16:26:25]

madfactor:

No...

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GreyFoxx:

ugh

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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zdzisekg:

hi juski

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madfactor:

I am wanting to install the latest.

[16:26:40]

zdzisekg:

let me properly introduce myself

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juski:

madfactor: back up the database, always

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zdzisekg:

I'm the creator of the MePo-wide theme

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GreyFoxx:

madfactor: Here is what I would do,

[16:27:03]

madfactor:

I know that. :)

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juski:

hiya zdzisekg

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zdzisekg:

how u doin :-)

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GreyFoxx:

dump database, move to new machine, start mythtv-setup, let it update the database

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GreyFoxx:

dump the new database

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juski:

zdzisekg: I've said this behind your back & now I can say it in front of you...

[16:27:32]

GreyFoxx:

create a black new database

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madfactor:

K. :)

[16:27:44]

Dagmar:

OMG RACISM!

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juski:

zdzisekg: mepo-wide is amazing. made me seriously consider giving up making themes

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GreyFoxx:

rerun mythtv-setup, setup the basics

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GreyFoxx:

then just import the tables containing the recording info, and your schedules

[16:28:39]

GreyFoxx:

run 1 update command on the recorded table to update the hostname, and run mythcomflag to rebuilkd seek tables

[16:28:45]

zdzisekg:

did you ever get a chance to look at what's needed to support the background container in copule of the screens?

[16:28:53]

GreyFoxx:

Please note, you would not have to do any of that if you kept the hostname :)

[16:28:54]

Beirdo:

juski, I thought it was all the needy lusers that was causing that? :)

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madfactor:

I can't...

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madfactor:

This is an integration project.

[16:29:21]

juski:

zdzisekg: haha how did I know you were gonna ask that ? ;) no I've not... I managed to break mythgallery good & proper on my 1st attempt

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zdzisekg:

thanx, juski for the complement

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madfactor:

The same machine is a Samba PDC.

[16:29:44]

madfactor:

And about four other servers. (hehe)

[16:29:44]

zdzisekg:

sorry to be a pain in the a**

[16:29:52]

juski:

Samba? now who's being racist?

[16:30:06]

madfactor:

I am eliminating four server machines.

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madfactor:

(hehehehhe)

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madfactor:

My pvr machine is the last one.

[16:30:52]

juski:

zdzisekg: I think mythgallery has a nasty bug where it causes a segfault instead of reporting an element is missing. needs proper investigation

[16:31:54]

zdzisekg:

juski, googling around I came across a little intro movie you made with the mepo dude. looked pretty nice

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** GreyFoxx day dreams of animated background and alpha transparent popups **

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madfactor:

I don't see why I can't query the the database to substitute the correct hostname?

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juski:

zdzisekg: yeah but he's not staying. he's the MediaPortal mascot after all ;)

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zdzisekg:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

madfactor: If you do it in all locations with the hostname it should be do able

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juski:

I'm gonna have a go making one

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juski:

GreyFoxx: a video as a theme background? I'd go for that ;)

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madfactor:

I like this "settings" table...

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Yeah

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zdzisekg:

I forgot to mention on my website that the author of the mascott expressed some concerns about using the mepo dude for mythtv before he gave me the blessing to use it

[16:35:17]

juski:

just call a 3d game programmer in, GreyFoxx :)

[16:35:28]

gardengnome:

zdzisekg: it's cute, but mythtv should have its own mascott

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zdzisekg:

juski: I hope

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juski:

zdzisekg: haha I saw the comment on the MP forums saying "shame your skin is for mythtv"

[16:35:53]

madfactor:

I'll save your suggestions in a text file, GF... but I think I'm gonna try using queries to fix the database before moving it to the other machine to be updated, that is what SQL databases are for. You have been very helpful, thanks. :)

[16:36:20]

juski:

it's a pity there's no pooling of talent between many OSS projects

[16:37:02]

GreyFoxx:

juski: yeah

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juski:

esp. PVR ones – we should all be on the same team, VDR, freevo & mediaportal.. or is the world not big enough for all the egos involved? ;)

[16:38:12]

GreyFoxx:

Egos would be part of it, and control/power

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Dagmar:

Mm.... power....

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zdzisekg:

juski: the mepo dude is the only fairly complete icon set, that's why i used it. (and it's kind of cute, too)

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juski:

kind of? I nearly fell off my chair when I saw him with match in one hand & cd in the other

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madfactor:

Is .20 worth the upgrade from .19?

[16:39:26]

juski:

madfactor: depends what you're after

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** gardengnome comforts juski and takes the evil cuteness away **

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zdzisekg:

juski: what do you think about the new icon set for kde? it's fairly complete. I'm thinking about using it for a theme.

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madfactor:

juski: I am talking in general terms...

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juski:

zdzisekg: I've not seen it

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juski:

anyway I like drawing icons

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juski:

a lot of stuff just isn't suitable for mythtv

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zdzisekg:

juski: sorry, I ment upcoming kde4 icon set. http://www.oxygen-icons.org/?cat=3

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juski:

oh yeah. not especially excited about them

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juski:

I like shiny things, & photo-real pictures :)

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juski:

(where possible)

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zdzisekg:

juski: sure, but where to get those from?

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juski:

zdzisekg: I draw a lot of my own now. see neon-wide :)

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Dagmar:

*Porn Sites!*

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ubuntuEdgy:

hi guys

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juski:

ok so I'm not yet ready to take on CrystalFontz or whatever..

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ubuntuEdgy:

so im trying to burn a dvd and i get Failed to run mythtranscode to fix any errors

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: welcome to the mytharchive club

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ubuntuEdgy:

oh thanks

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ubuntuEdgy:

so.....? its a common error ?

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juski:

no idea

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juski:

but plenty people have issues with mytharchive

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Kritter:

for me it fails on ffmpeg.

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Dagmar:

I blame ubuntu

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Kritter:

which I think is an audio stream issue.

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ubuntuEdgy:

me to

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** juski recommends ubunut users build their own ffmpeg or grab from the debian multimedia thingy **

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ubuntuEdgy:

it dose rip wonderfully thou

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juski:

unencumbered by legal complications ;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

exactly. i was rely surprised at how fast and easy it was.

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Beirdo:

juski, that's not exactly accurate

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Beirdo:

it's still encumbered by legal complications, you're just ignoring them

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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Beirdo:

but what isn't slapping us in the face is easy to ignore :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

what can i use to burn the ripped files to dvd . most importantly were you they stored ?

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Dagmar:

You can't. That would be piracy.

[16:52:15]

ubuntuEdgy:

Dagmar......... please

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Dagmar:

You put a few million in a trust fund to defend the channel and the network from lawuits and we'll think about it.

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahhh

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Dagmar:

Illegal activities have always been and are still, exclusively in the domain of "you get to do what you can figure out on your own"

[16:53:23]

ubuntuEdgy:

i wat to burn dvd ?

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Beirdo:

and the domain of "google is your friend, use it"

[16:53:32]

ubuntuEdgy:

how is that piracy ?

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Kritter:

of the ripped files was your whole thought.

[16:53:46]

Dagmar:

Because we're not as dumb as you are--that's how.

[16:54:00]

Beirdo:

let's see... you rip content, and want to burn it... that sounds like classic piracy

[16:54:25]

juski:

aye does to me too

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ubuntuEdgy:

piracy is when i sell the stuff right ?

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Kritter:

no.

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kormoc|afk:

and you can't type correctly, that's a sure sign of a pirate!

[16:54:37]

juski:

piracy is breaching copyright terms

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juski:

aharrr, so it is

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ubuntuEdgy:

not when i stick it om my media centre in my living room

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Beirdo:

of course, copyright laws vary slightly between countries, but the majority of them say the same thing... that's piracy

[16:55:08]

Dagmar:

You should be worrying about reaching a high school level of literacy, not wasting time bootlegging DVDs

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juski:

why do you think dvds were copy protected?

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kormoc|afk:

ubuntuEdgy, Piracy actually counts there, as to rip a DVD, you need to decss it, which is against the DMCA, and thus illegal

[16:55:30]

Kritter:

depending on the country you're in.

[16:55:36]

kormoc|afk:

he's in the us :P

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Beirdo:

heh, well then it's pretty cut and dried

[16:55:49]

juski:

it wasn't (despite what some say) just to deny linux users dvd playback :-P

[16:55:50]

Dagmar:

Not according to Whois

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kormoc|afk:

least, if he's the same guy I seem to recall asking the other day

[16:55:58]

Beirdo:

don't make us sic the MPAA on ya

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Kritter:

eh.

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anykey_:

yay, here it is officially allowed to download any content from the internet, rip dvds for your personal use and so on :-)

[16:56:14]

Kritter:

I think you just like picking on me kormoc.

[16:56:41]

** Kritter goes to cry. yup. **

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok im not going to wast any more of my time, you seem to love to jump into conclusions

[16:56:56]

Dagmar:

kk tardcakes

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Dagmar:

run along now

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Dagmar:

ovnicraft: I finally gave up

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kormoc|afk:

ubuntuEdgy, really tho, not to be mean, but when you type like that... it's hard to not jump to conclusions, as well... we need to work to figure out what you mean to say anyway...

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juski:

I _did_ wonder why there's a 'burn generic XYZ video format to disc' thing in mytharchive

[16:59:42]

juski:

prolly for home-made videos & the likes...

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Kritter:

I just want to back up cooking shows.

[17:00:12]

Kritter:

which is so lame it's not funny.

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anykey_:

gna, noise reduction is so slow :|

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juski:

ah well. time to head nack along the M56 to the homestead

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juski:

nack/back

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Beirdo:

stupid keyboard

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Beirdo:

err, mouse

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Beirdo:

jeez, I need more caffeine or somethign

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a1fa_:

heh

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a1fa_:

it appears this card sucks

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a1fa_:

[GeForce4 MX 4000]

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a1fa_:

i have to buy a new

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a1fa:

for sure

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a1fa_:

yup

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RaYmAn-Bx:

depends on what you need it for..I can't imagine it being a problem with mythtv..

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a1fa_:

its not

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a1fa_:

i am asking in here because people have expertise

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a1fa_:

Integrated TV encoder is not same as DVI output to the tv?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

no

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RaYmAn-Bx:

TV encoder is s-video or composite usually

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a1fa_:

cool

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a1fa_:

RaYmAn-Bx : i want to do 1080i

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a1fa_:

right now, i can only do 1240x720

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: You need to either use VGA/DVI or component out. Your card supports the first 2.

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a1fa_:

I am using the DVI out to HDMI

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a1fa_:

via cable

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I'm quite sure gf4 mx 4000 supports 2048x1536 as a max

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a1fa_:

but i cant get 1080i.. i think video card might be outdated

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: And I'm telling you that it's probably not a problem with your card, especially since that other guy was unable to get 1080i to look decent. Your only hope might be a card that has component out.

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a1fa_:

RaYmAn-Bx : you are correct it does

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RaYmAn-Bx:

convincing the card to do the right resolution is another matter of course

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a1fa_:

Tanthrix_AFK : i think this card cant even do 135mhz

[17:22:54]

RaYmAn-Bx:

Tanthrix_AFK: true

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RaYmAn-Bx:

makes sense at least =P

[17:23:08]

Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: So unless you can get a card with component out (Not sure if any AGP cards have this, so you might need a new motherboard to do this which is essentially a new computer)

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a1fa_:

Tanthrix_AFK : what?

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa_: Orphaze is me. ;-)

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a1fa_:

i think this card can only do 75mhz

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: And I'm pretty sure your card does 135 just fine. 1080i is just a pain in the ass to get working. Seriously. The nvidia forum is full of people trying to do it.

[17:25:13]

Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: And your set doesn't seem to be that great to begin with, so unless you get a card with component out I'm somewhat sure that getting a new video card will not fix your problems.

[17:25:47]

Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: And as I don't think (could be wrong) there aren't any AGP cards with component out, you'd need to get a motherboard that has pci xpress, which means new CPU, new RAM, etc..

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a1fa_:

hehee

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: And not that the difference is big, but just so you know in terms of quality DVI is the best, followed by VGA, followed by component. (And then s-video, composite)

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: And some sets do inputs better than others. Even though DVI is the best there have been TVs that just don't look as good using it as opposed to VGA, etc..

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a1fa_:

here is an agp card with HDTV component

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Tanthrix_AFK:

I sit corrected!

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Well, that *may* fix your problem then. Then again, using VGA right now may fix it. Have you tried that, or does your TV not have VGA inputs?

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a1fa_:

i also have 7600 at home with hdtv component

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a1fa_:

i just didnt want to take it out of my workstation and render my workstation useless

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a1fa_:

Tanthrix_AFK : it doesnt have VGA.. It has DVI and component

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a1fa_:

I'd really want to use DVI-HDMI hookup

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a1fa_:

if nothing, i will buy another 7600 and use component

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a1fa_:

Tanthrix_AFK : what do you suggest?

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a1fa_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . rce+HDTV+AGP

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a1fa_:

which one should I get

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: One sec. Phone.

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antiPosix:

if I have a lirc_mceusb device and a lirc_serial device, will I need to have two lircd's running each pointing to their own lircd.conf file?

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antiPosix:

one lirc for receiving and one for blasting

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: If you're set on using DVI I think there is a very good chance you will have the *exact* same problems that you have now with a new card.

[17:48:28]

a1fa_:

i can use component :(

[17:48:33]

a1fa_:

how much will I be loosing

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: There is nothing magical or new about newer cards' dvi ports, other than the increased pixel clock. And judging by that post your card is probably 135MHz which should be enough for 1080P.

[17:49:17]

Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: If I were you I would respond to that NVIDIA thread and ask what is needed for 1080I in terms of pixel clock.

[17:50:16]

Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: DVI is just a pain, and some TVs suck, so it's entirely possible you're out of luck going that route.

[17:50:16]

a1fa_:

135mhz :(

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a1fa_:

its a SANYO

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: No, I'm saying that 135 is *enough* for 1080i.

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: I haven't confirmed it, but it makes sense that it would be half that of 1080P, so pixel clock is most likely *not* your problem.

[17:51:13]

a1fa_:

k

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: Your problem is the same as every one elses – it's a bitch to get DVI working for 1080i sets. Start reading the NVIDIA forum. Lot of people have gone through this.

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: I must be off for now until later tonight.

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: I'll be around then if you need any help.

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a1fa_:

Tanthrix_AFK : but it works fien through component?

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a1fa_:

i mean fine

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Tanthrix_AFK: That's my hunch, since with component I think you just specify "component out 1080i" in the xconf. Check up on it first.

[17:55:15]

a1fa_:

i wonder if xbox can do 1080i

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Tanthrix_AFK:

a1fa: DVI is such a pain in the ass because of all the digital EDID handshaking stuff. Analog doesn't have that.

[17:55:27]

a1fa_:

right

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a1fa_:

cool

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a1fa_:

can rca cables be used for 3Y component?

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Yes, as long as they are equal in thickness. Sometimes the video cable is thicker or has extra shielding which creates an impedance mismatch.

[17:57:19]

a1fa_:

ok

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a1fa_:

i will make a note of that

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a1fa_:

oh well

[17:57:52]

a1fa_:

mine works winfe at 1240x720

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anykey_:

a1fa_: 720p

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a1fa_:

yeah

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a1fa_:

mine works fine at that too

[17:58:09]

anykey_:

my tv does not do anything greater :-)

[17:58:23]

a1fa_:

1080i is a bit better than that

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Weird.

[17:59:09]

Tanthrix_AFK:

Anyway, I'm off now. Later all.

[17:59:15]

anykey_:

i'm too lazy to make myself a modeline

[17:59:30]

a1fa_:

mine runs at "1280x720"

[17:59:43]

a1fa_:

isnt that 720p?

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anykey_:

I think so

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a1fa_:

i wonder what i would benefit from running mythtv at 1080i compared to "1280x720"

[18:00:36]

anykey_:

you would need much more ram

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a1fa_:

what benefits i would have

[18:00:44]

a1fa_:

i have 700 mb of ram

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anykey_:

what theme?

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a1fa_:

wide

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anykey_:

blootube-wide?

[18:01:08]

a1fa_:

13:01:01 up 4 days, 1:09, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

[18:01:14]

a1fa_:

no mythcenter-wide

[18:01:17]

anykey_:

ah

[18:01:37]

a1fa_:

primeministerp: 776548k total, 768532k used, 8016k free, 45760k buffers

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a1fa_:

damn :P

[18:01:48]

a1fa_:

mem is being used up

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a1fa_:

at 1280x720

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anykey_:

well, you have 45 mb of cache :-p

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a1fa_:

3054 mythtv 18 0 299m 66m 11m S 0.0 8.7 25:31.08 mythbackend

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a1fa_:

wow

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Kritter:

wb xris

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juski:

a1fa: thanks for pointing out blootube-wide is a memory hog :)

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juski:

oops that was anykey_

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juski:

damn automagical completion

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juski:

evening xris – is the mockup graphic on the money?

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xris:

juski: it's close enough

[18:24:36]

xris:

I think some of the later ones had buttons, but this one is more than enough to give a good idea.

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LabMonkey:

I ran mythfilldatabase to update some shows that had generic info and now mythtv isn't running it automatically like I have it configured to do

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LabMonkey:

help?

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juski:

xris: cool :)

[18:30:10]

juski:

though I can easily switch the buttons back on if need be

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gardengnome:

SlicerDicer-: ROTFL!

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LabMonkey:

err

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Hoxzer_:

SlicerDicer-: :D not in good context

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LabMonkey:

if I have a mythfilldatabase Log Path configured but the file isn't writeable by the user running mythbackend, will that cause mythfilldatabase to not run? heh

[18:31:45]

SlicerDicer-:

well at least they admit their things are horked....

[18:31:48]

SlicerDicer-:

well sorta

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juski:

SlicerDicer-: that's ace!

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juski:

so now I can quote ATI when people ask :)

[18:33:20]

juski:

jees.. beryl, compiz... that's kinda cutting themselves out of a massive wedge of linux users isn't it?

[18:33:54]

schwin:

what'd they do now?

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juski:

schwin: see the link SlicerDicer- just posted

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: haha

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jimbalaya:

how is mythtv a feature of a graphics card?...

[18:36:04]

schwin:

wow

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juski:

jimbalaya: it's not, but to say a big swathe of software linux users of ATI products would want to use – aren't supported by their linux drivers.. that'd a big admission to make

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schwin:

i love the unsupported feature being mythtv lol

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: I assume the no solution means "piss up a rope?"

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schwin:

one of slave backends/frontends has a radeon 9500pro in it hehe

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juski:

I think it's a thinly veiled 'YMMV'

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juski:

which is fair enough

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jimbalaya:

i agree, i just thought it was a funny way to put it

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Ediehow:

anyone using lirc with myth?

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Ediehow:

for one of my system users, begin

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Ediehow:

prog = irexec

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Ediehow:

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Ediehow:

type things work, but things that have prog = mythtv do nothing

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Ediehow:

ah

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jimbalaya:

Ediehow: there's lircd.conf and lircrc.... both are needed, and sometimes in multiple places

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Ediehow:

it seems one is needed in ~/.mythtv

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Ediehow:

an lircrc

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jimbalaya:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO

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jimbalaya:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Debian_Etch

[18:43:21]

jimbalaya:

the bottom of the second one lists where those files go, i think

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Ediehow:

i got it

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Ediehow:

thx

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Ediehow:

yay!

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Ediehow:

thanks

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Ediehow:

bye

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Hoxzer_:

if I could start again a million miles away

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Hoxzer_:

nvm

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zdzisekg:

eskil: hey, thanx for keeping your shoutcast patches up to date.

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zdzisekg:

I tried scanning last night and it myth would just crash on me. it was pretty late so I did not get a chance to troubleshoot it. I setup a test machine today and that seems to scan ok. only difference between the two is you shoutcast patch. are you aware of a problem there?

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zdzisekg:

eskil: scanning for music files of course. sorry

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a1fa_:

juski : sup

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a1fa_:

xris sup

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eskil:

zdzisekg, nope.

[19:22:17]

eskil:

zdzisekg, and actually did a scan just last night with yesterdays svn.

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zdzisekg:

eskil: ok, i'll do some troubleshooting tonight.

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gbee:

I'm having trouble getting mythbackend on just one machine to see upnp multicasts, there is no firewall, the machine and backend are both visible from other machines, outgoing upnp unicasts are being received. The routing tables of the machines are all the same, they are all configured with identical network settings (except IP) as best I can tell. Any ideas?

[19:22:44]

eskil:

zdzisekg, and a preffy hefty scan as well, that added ~25GB of music, so it should've touched a lot of code.

[19:23:12]

eskil:

zdzisekg, let me know what you find, especially if you get a stacktrace.

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gbee:

zdzisekg: I'd be interested in a backtrace of that issue

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zdzisekg:

eskil: any plans on getting suport for AAC+ stations. Seems like more and more of the stations I listen to go to that format.

[19:24:55]

eskil:

zdzisekg, no plans, but it shouldn't be that hard.

[19:25:38]

eskil:

zdzisekg, the shoutcast mumbojumbo at some points just calls createDecoder with "blabla.mp3" to get a mp3 decoder. It could easily actually look at the audio encoding string and change to blabla.aac.

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zdzisekg:

eskil: I compiled myth with AAC+ support. I looked at the code in your patch, changed the thing or two to get pass the checks. Actualy did change the call to createDecoder to .aac, but got nowhere.

[19:28:33]

eskil:

zdzisekg, they might do crazy things where the url redirects to another url, that finally has a playlist (maybe even in .pls, if not, doh), which just points to another url and needs another level of indirection and now my code gets all sad and confused.

[19:29:14]

eskil:

zdzisekg, run with -v network,playback and post me the output.

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eskil:

zdzisekg, or do a wget on a the url and see if that looks like a 'normal' shoutcast .pls or something crazy mms:// stuff.

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zdzisekg:

eskil: then again, at this point I know next to nothing about c++. Have not used it in 10 years or so, back when I did use it was just very basics

[19:31:23]

zdzisekg:

eskil: I'm aware of the .pls issues and all. The few streams I tested it with, I got the direct url to the server. something like http://www.server.com:8000

[19:31:34]

eskil:

zdzisekg, around line 1058 in shoutcast.cpp, theres something ala "if (response.getContent()=="audio/mpeg") doconnectdecoder ("foo.mp3") else ...

[19:32:06]

zdzisekg:

changed that too, I got past all the checks, but

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eskil:

zdzisekg, remove the if and the else and just do a doconnectdecoder ("foo.m4a")

[19:32:40]

eskil:

zdzisekg, .m4a or aac ? Just checked, the aacdecoder uses m4a extension.

[19:32:49]

zdzisekg:

eskil: I'll messaround with it tonight, see if I can get anywhere

[19:33:07]

eskil:

zdzisekg, cool. Let me know if you get it work and I'll happily add it.

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eskil:

zdzisekg, could you send me the url you're using ? I want to see it's content-type string.

[19:34:14]

zdzisekg:

eskil: I think I gave up after I realized you use libmad and you need libfaad to play acc, or am I wrong

[19:34:41]

eskil:

zdzisekg, I just use the mythmusic decoders. If there's one that can play your aac files, it should be able to handle a stream.

[19:34:48]

zdzisekg:

try any one of these http://www.polskastacja.pl (they're links to .pls)

[19:35:22]

eskil:

zdzisekg, although it might need a slight tweak to not get mad at the iodevice when it doesn't act entirely like a local file (ie. has no size)

[19:35:37]

zdzisekg:

eskil: I was testing with the Party Channel

[19:35:42]

eskil:

zdzisekg, If I hear crazy polish pop, you owe me a beer.

[19:36:12]

eskil:

I would like to buy a vowel....

[19:36:43]

zdzisekg:

eskil: zywiec (http://www.zywiec.com.pl/) on me

[19:38:18]

nasa:

Hi, could anyone help me resize my hardware raid 5 setup? I just added a disk (the management software said all went well) and the additional space shows in the software. However doing mount -o remount,resize -v /mnt/temp/ doesn't change anything. I am using JFS as the filesystem (as suggested by the wiki)

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eskil:

zdzisekg, nice, simple clean cut .pls's, no crazy runaround mms:// easteregg hunt.

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eskil:

zdzisekg, you guys talk strange (even stranger than me), but you sure do know you beers.

[19:41:09]

eskil:

zdzisekg, let me first get aac support up and running, then I'll take a stab at it.

[19:45:31]

zdzisekg:

eskil: thanx.

[19:49:16]

eskil:

zdzisekg, oh by the way, crashing while scanning might be some weird diff/patch issue related to the shoutcast patch.

[19:49:37]

eskil:

zdzisekg, check that mythplugins/mythmusic/mythmusic/mythmusic.pro has "SOURCES += filescanner.cpp" towards the end.

[19:49:48]

eskil:

zdzisekg, if not, it'll die as soon as it tries to scan.

[19:54:47]

zdzisekg:

eskil: yup, that's the behavior I was getting.

[19:55:37]

eskil:

zdzisekg, yeah, I just saw that on my laptop. I'll do another patch.

[19:59:07]

** juski hands nasa a chainsaw. that oughta do it nicely **

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eskil:

zdzisekg, it kinda works with aac, but the aacdecoder it doing seeks and looking for tracknumber indicators and image fields, so it's slightly more work. I'll take a stab at it later.

[20:07:24]

zdzisekg:

eskil: thanx a bunch.

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nasa:

thanks juski....

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: you here?

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SlicerDicer-:

well anyway my thoughts I had a idea might seem kinda strange :)

[20:18:14]

SlicerDicer-:

I was thinking of mythtv jobs how you can manually insert jobs

[20:18:57]

SlicerDicer-:

Is it possible to have mythtv run a daily job? I cannot seem to find information on this.. as well would it be possible to have that job check and see if a tuner is active or not and if that tuner is active halt job till tuner is inactive?

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SlicerDicer-:

I do have a coherent plan behind this :)

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MeatROme:

I'm totally confused, trying to watch TV gives (nearly) black screen; only in xawtv channel window do I see the card should be working :-/

[20:32:51]

MeatROme:

it's a Hauppauge WinTV (analog (!))

[20:33:25]

MeatROme:

any pointers would be appreciated :9

[20:33:27]

MeatROme:

:)

[20:33:33]

gardengnome:

what have you done so far to set up your channels?

[20:33:46]

MeatROme:

well, tv_grab_de_... doesn't work

[20:34:15]

MeatROme:

I've run a channel-scan from mythfrontend and also scantv that came with xawtv, they both "kinda" work

[20:34:22]

MeatROme:

I've got lists of channels

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MeatROme:

and in xawtv channel window

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MeatROme:

I can get previews

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gardengnome:

ah

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gardengnome:

you're german.

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MeatROme:

si senor :)

[20:35:20]

gardengnome:

you can #mythtv-de if you want to. make sure to hop over to www.mythwiki.de and read "HOWTO_Mythfilldatabase". get a working grabber before, eg from XMLTV CVS

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gardengnome:

s/can/can join/;

[20:35:58]

MeatROme:

hm. well, en-speaking channels have a bigger chance of hosting knowlegeable ppl, so I came here :)

[20:36:07]

MeatROme:

yeah, fillDB didn't really run well

[20:36:14]

MeatROme:

mythtv is confusing to get into

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gardengnome:

MeatROme: you also should check the backend logs.

[20:37:45]

MeatROme:

well, since it's not working in xawtv there seems to be something wrong on a more basic level

[20:38:09]

MeatROme:

I've tried loading cx88 as a module

[20:38:16]

MeatROme:

but that didn't change a thing

[20:38:52]

MeatROme:

gardengnome: yes, log checking always helps :)

[20:39:00]

gardengnome:

oh

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gardengnome:

it's not working in xawtv either,.

[20:39:09]

gardengnome:

better fix that, aye :)

[20:39:14]

ubuntuEdgy:

hey all,

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ubuntuEdgy:

hey gnome

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MeatROme:

gardengnome: any helpÃƒÂŸ/pointers thow-to?!

[20:39:45]

gardengnome:

hi ubuntuEdgy

[20:39:47]

MeatROme:

sorry, keyboard broken via this SSH tunnel :-/

[20:40:18]

gardengnome:

MeatROme: hum. wiki.mythtv.org might have something, but i'd start out at www.linuxtv.org in the v4l wiki. and check your distribution's documentation

[20:40:23]

ubuntuEdgy:

i need your help im using mythweb and i cam across this You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/music/dvdrecorder/music file on this server

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ubuntuEdgy:

came*

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MeatROme:

gardengnome: well, I didn't come here as a first-stop :)

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gardengnome:

MeatROme: what does demsg say?

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ubuntuEdgy:

im using it on my pda :)

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MeatROme:

dmesg | grep video?

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MeatROme:

ubuntuEdgy: check permissions on that directory

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MeatROme:

chown www-data if req.

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ubuntuEdgy:

its on a cd

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ubuntuEdgy:

im so confused

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MeatROme:

if it's a liveCD you should have a ram-fs and can change the perms on it ... but they'll be gone next reboot :-P

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ubuntuEdgy:

ill do some research and come back more informed

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ubuntuEdgy:

its not live

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ubuntuEdgy:

the files im trying to get at are on a cd , I'm using mythweb to access them.

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ubuntuEdgy:

i kind of want to use my pda to play the files :)

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MeatROme:

sorry, myth* is all new to me, so maybe I'm not up to speed ... but if your webserver can't read from that directory ...

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MeatROme:

using apache?

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MeatROme:

gardengnome: dmesg ... what u wanna know?

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gardengnome:

MeatROme: i don't wanna know anything :) you should make sure there's nothing obvisouly broken in there

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MeatROme:

gardengnome: it's all looking fine

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MeatROme:

maybe it's important I'm using an nvidia card here?

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MeatROme:

coz I need to call xawtv with "-nodga" to make it even start up

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ubuntuEdgy:

MeatROme:yes im using apache2

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ubuntuEdgy:

MeatROme:the cd rom is on a diffrent computer its not on the server its at the font end.

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Saviq:

is it possible for mythvideo to look for metadata using path instead of name?

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MeatROme:

ubuntuEdgy: mmmh, this is simple mounting you're wanting to do

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Saviq:

or initially name newly found files after the dir they're in, not the filename?

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MeatROme:

I can't see any obvious errors .. and why is it showing preview stills in xawtv, but no fullscreen/moving image?!

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ubuntuEdgy:

MeatROme:nah

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ubuntuEdgy:

MeatROme: its very complicated right now

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ubuntuEdgy:

You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/music/dvdrecorder/50 cent – february 2005 – disco inferno(2).mp3 on this server.

[21:06:17]

MeatROme:

ubuntuEdgy: have you mounted the share your external cd-rom is on onto your backend server?

[21:06:59]

MeatROme:

mmmh. when toying with mplayer I /do/ see some wavy lined images moving around ... like a very bad antennae ... VERY bad!

[21:07:29]

MeatROme:

this is so aggrevating ... the still previews from xawtv say "I can do it" ... but then nothing really does :-(

[21:07:57]

MeatROme:

just to check : germany is PAL-M .. right? ;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

MeatROme:i hvae the cdrom at the front end. and the mythweb is trying to get to the files on the front end cdrom

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, is mythweb on the same machine as the frontend?

[21:11:13]

MeatROme:

no, he said it's another PC ... he doesn't have the filesystem mounted there

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MeatROme:

ubuntuEdgy: man mount

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kormoc:

ubuntuEdgy, in short, mythweb requiest local access to the same files as the frontend has, so that cd needs to be mounted on the webserver as well as the frontend.

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ubuntuEdgy:

ah i see

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MeatROme:

22:06 < MeatROme> ubuntuEdgy: have you mounted the share your external cd-rom is on onto your backend server?

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ubuntuEdgy:

so i can ssh then mount it there ?

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MeatROme:

sounds about right

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ubuntuEdgy:

sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/music

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ubuntuEdgy:

i know now thanks guys

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MeatROme:

:9

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MeatROme:

ha! tvtime works ... so that's a step forward for me too :)

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MeatROme:

well, I always like to finish on a success ... so, cya next time I give mythtv a twirl ... thanks for your input gardengnome!

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nero:

I keep getting dropped live TV on my remote frontend. Any ideas on how I can check to see if it is a network or a myth problem?

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SlicerDicer-:

run verbose frontend? or check your backend logs?

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** juski was about to say that. either that or "if it's wireless, suspect your network first" **

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gbee:

are you streaming or using nfs?

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gbee:

I'm not sure it makes any difference, don't know why I even asked

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nero:

it is a streaming live TV via ethernet..

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nero:

and running verbose- i keep getting RingBuf errors: " Waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available..."

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gbee:

I've no problem streaming SD content over a wireless connection

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gbee:

pretty sure HD wouldn't be a problem either

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fryfrog:

wireless sucks

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fryfrog:

you'll be *likely* to get SD if you are lucky

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nero:

gbee, thats why I am a bit confused- I shouldn't be having interruptions in my buffer.

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fryfrog:

HD is basically not a chance in hell unless you are so close to the router you could use wires

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nero:

(as this is 100bit ethernet, and is SD)

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fryfrog:

ah, well wired ftw!

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fryfrog:

check your network trasnfer speed with dd or something

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gbee:

fryfrog: I've never had a problem – can easily stream SD sitting 20m from the AP outside in the Garden

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fryfrog:

make sure it isn't borked

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janneg:

gbee: HD would be a problem for 802.11b. HD is up to 20Mbit/s, 802.11b has only 11mbit/s minus protocol overhead

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fryfrog:

okay, i'll concede SD is very likely to work.

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fryfrog:

and that is assuming a great signal

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fryfrog:

if you could get a great signal, you'd *likely* also be able to run wires easily

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gbee:

janneg: this is 802.11g (b was fine for SD too when I was using it)

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fryfrog:

but anyway, wired means we can quit jibber jabbering about wireless! :)

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fryfrog:

if you are using nfs, you might have sync / async set, but that is really write speed issues

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fryfrog:

i'd double check you don't have any duplex issues

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gbee:

fryfrog: not in an old house like this with brick walls – there is no-where to route the cabling

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fryfrog:

and make sure your rsize and wsize are nice and big

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fryfrog:

gbee: right, and brick walls do a decent job of decreasing signal strenght

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fryfrog:

where as a nice, transparent wood wall is both easy to wire through *and* great for signals

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gbee:

I did actually put in the wiring when I first moved in – but it was pretty inflexible and a severe trip hazard when I wanted to use the laptops

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nero:

fryfrog, ok, using scp, I am getting 11.1 MB/s transfer from the other machine.. so it should be good..

[23:18:31]

fryfrog:

someone fires up their microwave... or their portable fone, etc :)

[23:18:36]

nero:

now, where do I check this rsize and wsize?

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fryfrog:

nero: okay, i'd agree then that network isn't an issue :/

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fryfrog:

nero: i'm not sure, are you using NFS? or just myth's streaming thing?

[23:18:59]

nero:

just myth's streaming thing

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fryfrog:

ah, nm then cause rsize and wsize are nfs

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fryfrog:

if you *want* you could try nfs mounting and that way it'll read like its local

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nero:

ok.. I'll give that a whirl..

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fryfrog:

but... i wouldn't give that any real chance of fixing it

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nero:

fryfrog, it may.. I just realized that I've been streaming avi's to this machine via NFS (HD avi'

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nero:

s), and it works fine

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fryfrog:

gbee: ah, well i can definatly say i am glad for you :)

[23:21:37]

fryfrog:

i should get wireless working on my lappy in ubuntu and see how it does for SD and HD

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juski:

heh me too. I hear of nothing but tales of woe from wireless owners

[23:23:10]

fryfrog:

hey, did the data direct issue get resolved?

[23:23:13]

juski:

oh gawd. this video is getting out of hand. now 9 tracks of video

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k-man:

hey guys

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k-man:

is there any whispers around the traps about when 0.21 might be released? (appart from when its ready)

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kormoc:

no

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juski:

where is this coming from?

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juski:

you know the drill.. feature freeze, then a good while later a new version emerges

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hjohnson:

heh

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k-man:

yeah, i know.... so we are not even close to a feature freeze yet?

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kormoc:

not a word bout it

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thaks

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k-man:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

You'll see a 0.20.1 before 0.21

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k-man:

just curious, thats all

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k-man:

GreyFoxx, really? is there word on when that might be?

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juski:

what's the RUSH?

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k-man:

no rush, just curious

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kormoc:

k-man, you can always grab -fixes or -trunk if you want something newer...

[23:35:16]

gardengnome:

it's all the new FEATURES

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GreyFoxx:

k-man:We don't work on timelines or specific dates :)

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k-man:

is one not allowed to know how the development is going?

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janneg:

I think as soon as j-rod and I solve the scanning probs

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GreyFoxx:

It's been talked about, but no specific date has been sent

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kormoc:

k-man, sure you are, feel free to join the -dev mailing list... or read it's archives

[23:36:15]

SlicerDicer-:

k-man: look at svn.mythtv.org and you can see the progress :)

[23:36:16]

k-man:

i do look at it kormoc

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juski:

is there any word on when _every_ single user is gonna start contributing worthwhile code to the project?

[23:36:32]

juski:

;)

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: soon

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k-man:

juski, i think that is unrealistic to assume all myth users are able to donate code

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kormoc:

k-man, so why the questions? if there's no mention on the -dev list of a feature freeze, why would anyone else know bout it?

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

i feel shot down in flames

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juski:

I'm not saying I'm some sort of sycophant, but can you just give it a rest – the devs do a frickin amazing job

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kormoc:

k-man, sure they can, the issue is juski said 'worthwhile' :P

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SlicerDicer-:

k-man: you can always build the SVN and be bleeding edge :)

[23:37:35]

k-man:

kormoc, possibly because the dev list does not reflect every single thing discussed about mythtv in all the places in the world

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juski:

the more people testing SVN the quicker 0.21 comes ;)

[23:37:57]

kormoc:

k-man, nope, but any important things, like the ones you are asking about would be talked about on there

[23:38:10]

k-man:

ok ok!

[23:38:13]

k-man:

god

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k-man:

you guys

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juski:

hey sorry – but folks have lives outside of mythtv, no that you'd know it looking at my input

[23:39:22]

juski:

ask _reasonable_ questions & you won't get shot down

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k-man:

ok

[23:39:33]

k-man:

well

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k-man:

i thought its reasonable

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juski:

heh

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juski:

figures

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k-man:

i wasn't trying to hound devs

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k-man:

and i asked politely

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k-man:

and i asked on the users channel

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k-man:

and i was just wondering if there was any kind of idea as to when – which i think is reasonable

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kormoc:

k-man, http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Wh . . . .2Fdirect.3F

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: tell the 3 words ;-)

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k-man:

and, as it happens, i am waiting for a fix that is in svn to filter down to me... i don't really want to run a bleeding edge version

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SlicerDicer-:

why not?

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k-man:

and i don't want to get into compiling myth myself either

[23:41:48]

k-man:

because i like stable

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k-man:

its a production syste

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k-man:

m

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kormoc:

k-man, well, 0.20-fixes is the stable and updated branch

[23:42:04]

** kormoc shrugs **

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SlicerDicer-:

SVN is perfectly useable everytime I have used it and I have run SVN for ohh a year at least not run into anything major

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janneg:

k-man: which fix?

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kormoc:

ask your package maintainer to package -fixes?

[23:42:39]

k-man:

umm.. the dvd subtitle jerkyness one, i think its 2800

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juski:

if nobody used head, nothing would ever get fixed & myth wouldn't move forward – ever!

[23:43:53]

k-man:

juski, i agree wholeheartedly

[23:44:14]

juski:

I'm considering using svn now I can build minimyth all by myself actually

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nero:

how does everyone else who uses svn re-compile? I update SVN rarely, only because it takes me 45+ minutes to compile.

[23:44:36]

k-man:

how do i tell if this fix has made its way to .20-fixes? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/12290

[23:44:48]

k-man:

what is minimyth?

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh hey kormoc I have been working on a patch for firewire :)

[23:45:03]

gardengnome:

k-man: www.linpvr.org

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kormoc:

nero, ccache makes recompiling svn take only a few minutes typically

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nero:

hummm.. ccache- I'll have to look into that.. Thanks!

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juski:

if you had it streamlined & scripted well you could do automatic updates while you sleep ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

ccache ftw!

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janneg:

juski: I expect the devs to run head. but the devs are probably the worst testers of their own product

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nero:

(because make clean; make; make install takes waaay too much time ;) )

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k-man:

gardengnome, cool

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juski:

janneg: I know from my own personal experience. "it works! get it out there quick"

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k-man:

thanks

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k-man:

have you seen that problem?

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juski:

since I switched to ubunut on my backend I've seen the BE just stall a few times for reasons (as yet) unknown

[23:49:51]

juski:

seems to happen when I've overloaded the machine though

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k-man:

interesting

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k-man:

i can't tell why it happens to me as yet

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nero:

kormoc, Ok, I've got ccache installed now.. so its just a matter of changing the compiler command to "ccache gcc"?

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SlicerDicer-:

juski: gentoo as backend is what I do cause it never has problems ok never has problems that are not pebkac

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k-man:

not sure how to test it when it happens to determine the problem though

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juski:

it's not just a backend box – does a lot more besides, all vying for chunks of that measly 512MB

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kormoc:

nero, there's tons of howto's to set it up, you should follow one of them to make sure everything is fine

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SlicerDicer-:

nero: --enable-ccache

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k-man:

i did check the logs, but there was nothing interesting in them

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juski:

SlicerDicer-: yeah that was me too, but I got too out of sync with updates to portage & royally screwed the box

[23:51:38]

SlicerDicer-:

ahh

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janneg:

nero: install ccache first, iirc configure enable it if it is available

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nero:

ok.. it seems to be working.. thanks guys! :)

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Tanthrix_AFK:

SlicerDicer-: Master of firewire, how are you?

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SlicerDicer-:

so you got yours working?

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Not reliable though. Mysteriously stops working here and there. I haven't spent much time on it yet, though.

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: I wonder if I need to use some kind of "priming" script.

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