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Monday, April 9th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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defendguin:

in the wiki?

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kormoc:

no, in the docs on the main page

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scant:

is commflagging is only available during post processing?

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defendguin:

kormoc: i don't see exactly what i'm looking for do you think you could give me a link to the appropriate documentation?

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kormoc:

"Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems"

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defendguin:

gracias

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degreseven:

my gentoo box crashed a couple days ago & now my remote doesnt work. the lirc device node is not being created. usually it is /dev/lirc/0. all I see now is /dev/lircd. modules load with no errors, daemon is running, etc. tried upgrading kernel, lirc, udev, pvr-firmware, etc. no luck. any suggestions? this is the remote that comes with a pvr-150

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defendguin:

mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%.mydomain.com" identified by "mythtv"; what does the identified by part indicate?

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kormoc:

the password

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defendguin:

how do you restart mysql?

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Saviq:

/etc/init.d/mysql restart

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defendguin:

great lets see if i can connect to it now

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defendguin:

despite running the setup program it keeps looking here 127.0.0.1

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defendguin:

i don't think it is ever going to find one there

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defendguin:

hmmmm

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defendguin:

why does it do that?

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defendguin:

it found the DB but it looks somewhere else for the backend server?

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GreyFoxx:

well, set both values

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GreyFoxx:

backend and master backend

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defendguin:

can i do that through CLI?

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GreyFoxx:

Sure, if you are good with MySQL

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defendguin:

bind-address is set to your IP address instead of 127.0.0.1 i changed this value

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GreyFoxx:

That's mysql, the 127.0.0.1:6543 is the backend

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defendguin:

hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

the database contains the values pointing the frontend to the 127.0.0.1 IP for the backends location

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GreyFoxx:

normally editted via mythtv-setup

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MarkFeathers:

Is it possible to control a frontend remotely (like ssh or something)

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GreyFoxx:

MarkFeathers: VNC, or the telnet interface

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GreyFoxx:

I have an app someone in here did up that I use a lot

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GreyFoxx:

it uses the telnet interface to send keystrokes

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defendguin:

GreyFoxx: if i ssh into the backend and run mythtv-setup X:0 would that display the setup here?

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GreyFoxx:

If I could remember teh guys nick I'd give him credit, but I can't remember it

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GreyFoxx:

DISPLAY=XXXXXXX:0 mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

or you can tunnel it over ssh

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GreyFoxx:

brb

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defendguin:

elaborate

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defendguin:

mythtv@tivo:~$ mythtv-setup --display=0

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defendguin:

mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server

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juski:

haha one live tv pause mocked up :)

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defendguin:

anyone remember how to tunnel over ssh?

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defendguin:

ahhh

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hads:

Oh, are you talking about tunneling X?

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defendguin:

i want to run an app on a remote machine and have it display here

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hads:

Then yes, that is it.

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defendguin:

makes sense

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Saviq:

guys, is it possible to add more than one path to MythVideo?

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kormoc:

yes, use a : to separate them

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Saviq:

ah great :)

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defendguin:

i dont think mythtv liked my compiz

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defendguin:

when i started live TV it just froze

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defendguin:

x crashed

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defendguin:

when ever i try to watch live tv now it wont let me it says it already in use but there are no job's in the queue

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jams:

ugh. more upload bandwidth would be nice This iso is taking forever to upload

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k-man:

hi guys

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k-man:

in mythmusic, the wiki says to 'using the "select music" menu option.....

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k-man:

but I can't see that menu option.. am I missing something here?

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jams:

k-man- utilites/setup ->music tools -> select music

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k-man:

jams, oh... so you can't get to that menu from within mythmusic?

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jams:

you might be able to by pressing the m key

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jams:

not for sure and I don't have a mythmusic in front of me right now

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jams:

if you can get to that screen, it's not called "select music"

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k-man:

ok, thanks jams

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nero:

heya jams- how goes it?

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richw:

Hi I have a Hauppauge Nova-T PCI.. it uses the connexant cx88 chipset. It works fine under Kaffeine and I can scan for channels with Kaffeine etc. But when I run mythtv-setup and set the capture card to DVB then go to scan for channels it says "Failed to open the card".. which is ironic! Can anyone help me?

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MarkFeathers:

richw: is your mythtv user in the "video" group?

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Saviq:

guys, one more question – could I have more than one mythvideo defined – with different settings? mostly – different dir?

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MarkFeathers:

Saviq: you could mount a directory or files in your current one, but you cannot have mythvideo installed twice

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richw:

MarkFeathers: Didnt know i had a "video" group

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Saviq:

shade :|

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Saviq:

nevermind then, cheers

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bill__k:

back again after a clean os install, using pvr-150 w/ ivtv on ubuntu 6.10. No snags at all until I try to watch live tv (get a black screen for about a min and it goes back to the menu) terminal output here. http://pastebin.ca/430555 if anyone could take a look, I'd really appreciate it.

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MarkFeathers:

richw: as root, gpasswd -a <username> video

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richw:

richie@richie-desktop:~$ sudo usermod -a -G video richie

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richw:

Password:

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richw:

just done that

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kormoc:

richw, before sudgesting a bug, you should try to verify first. Run mythtv-setup in a terminal and see if it outputs any messages about why it's failing, or similar

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richw:

is that equiv?

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richw:

Ok im new to this software.. it does seem very odd for this to happen

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richw:

when your a newbie

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MarkFeathers:

richw: Yea it is equivilant, but you have to log out and back in for it to take effect

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richw:

ok

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richw:

i will have to brb then

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MarkFeathers:

k

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MarkFeathers:

bill__k: Did you install it according to the mythtv wiki?

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MarkFeathers:

bill__k: or the ubuntu one?

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bill__k:

ubuntu

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bill__k:

are there significant differences?

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MarkFeathers:

bill__k: I have one running that exact same setup (i used the ubuntu) and it works flawlessly

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kormoc:

bill__k, are you sure you can record tv at all?

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richw:

back

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richw:

il try mythtv-setup again

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bill__k:

well, last install I was able to after ivtv, I will check again

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bill__k:

(I had the same issue last time and was able to record)

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kormoc:

bill__k, line 43 points to it's not quite setup right

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richw:

Still says "Failed to open the card" under channel editor

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richw:

This is kind of frustrating...

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kormoc:

bill__k, check permissions of the video device

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kormoc:

richw, did you run it in a terminal window like I said above?

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richw:

yep il paste output

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richw:

sec

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kormoc:

use a pastebin

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richw:

i always run it in term anyway

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richw:

i know im not a noob lol

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kormoc:

<richw> when your a newbie

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kormoc:

make up your mind already :P

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bill__k:

kormoc, crw-rw---- 1 video 81, 0 2007-04–09 15:42 /dev/video0

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richw:

mythtv newbie to be specific

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richw:

:-)

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kormoc:

bill__k, groups mythtv

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richw:

used linux for ages

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richw:

http://pastebin.ca/430563

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bill__k:

hmm?

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bill__k:

ok

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richw:

theres my output

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kormoc:

bill__k, if you run that command, is the user in the video group?

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bill__k:

crw-rw---- 1 video 81, 0 2007-04–09 15:42 /dev/video0

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bill__k:

ooops

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bill__k:

mythtv : mythtv audio video

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kormoc:

huh

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richw:

nothing really useful in terminal output

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richw:

that I can see

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bill__k:

kormoc the output of "groups mythtv" is mythtv : mythtv audio video

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kormoc:

richw, add in a --verbose all, and get ready for a huge flood :P

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kormoc:

bill__k, yeah.. that's correct then

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richw:

haha! thanks!

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kormoc:

bill__k, welp, you're likely gonna need to run the backend in a terminal window and see what it says too

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bill__k:

just mythtv-backend

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bill__k:

or /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

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kormoc:

going need to stop the init.d script

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kormoc:

and then run mythtv-backend aye

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richw:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/430567

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richw:

kormoc: quite a lot there :)

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bill__k:

kormoc, is this normal? (this is fairly short :) http://pastebin.ca/430568

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bill__k:

kormoc is getting attacked by pastebins

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kormoc:

bill__k, that's normal, aye

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richw:

kormoc: If it helps, Im on Ubuntu Feisty

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kormoc:

richw, Hrm... I'm wondering bout: 2007-04–09 03:24:04.665 RecordFilePrefix is not set?

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kormoc:

richw, I wonder if the scan stores in that said dir and given it's not set, it fails?

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richw:

kormoc: Whats that mean.. sql prefix?

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kormoc:

richw, nah, that's the directory to store recordings in

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richw:

kormoc: I forgot to say, i took a screenshot

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richw:

kormoc: Il upload it to my site

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bill__k:

kormoc, any other ideas? my next step is to try a msft / gbpvr solution (barfs). I'm setting this up for my parents and am leaving tomorrow.

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bill__k:

msft = microsoft (windows)

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kormoc:

bill__k, well, don't run the init.d start, just run mythtv-backend in a terminal window

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bill__k:

i did try that before and got bash: mythtv-backend: command not found

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GreyFoxx:

it's "mythbackend" not "mythtv-backend"

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bill__k:

oh

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kormoc:

whatever it is :P

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briand:

1

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briand:

grr.

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bill__k:

yay errors

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richw:

Ah crap.. gnome froze up

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richw:

brb

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bill__k:

http://pastebin.ca/430571

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kormoc:

bill__k, you should likely do what it says

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bill__k:

hmm, how?

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bill__k:

is that a chmod thingy?

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kormoc:

likely

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kormoc:

ls -l /var/lib/mythtv

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kormoc:

or rather

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kormoc:

ls -l /var/lib/ | grep mythtv

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kormoc:

or if you just want to hammer it

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richw:

back

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kormoc:

sudo chmod a+rw -R /var/lib/mythtv

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bill__k:

drwxrwsr-x 2 mythtv mythtv 4096 2007-04–09 16:12 mythtv

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

ls -l /var/lib/mythtv

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

ls -lA /var/lib/mythtv

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bill__k:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 0 2007-04–09 16:21 nfslockfile.lock

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kormoc:

hrm

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bill__k:

hrm?

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

you're not running it as user mythtv, are you?

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bill__k:

no....?

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kormoc:

sudo -u mythtv mythbackend

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kormoc:

try that

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bill__k:

but i believe i added myself to the group

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richw:

kormoc: This any help: http://richieward.com/files/Screenshot-2.png

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bill__k:

i didnt do the sudo chmod a+rw

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richw:

?

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bill__k:

should I?

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kormoc:

you need to logout and back in to made the group change take affect

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bill__k:

i think i did

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bill__k:

i'm sure*

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kormoc:

richw, sorry, I donno. I never used DVB

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kormoc:

bill__k, donno then

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bill__k:

should I sudo chmod a+rw -R /var/lib/mythtv

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richw:

MarkFeathers: You still around?

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kormoc:

bill__k, won't hurt likely

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bill__k:

mkay

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bill__k:

what does sudo -u mythtv mythbackend do?

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richw:

kormoc: Where should I get help on this?

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kormoc:

run mythbackend as user mythtv

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kormoc:

richw, might want to try the -users mailing list

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richw:

Ok :)

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bill__k:

kormoc, should i run mythfrontend now in another term?

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bill__k:

the sudo -u mythtv mythbackend worked

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kormoc:

bill__k, yeah

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richw:

kormoc: Do I need a "Video Source" defined or the backend started to use the "Channel Editor".. I already have a capture card defined.

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bill__k:

ok so, I got the same crap from mythfrontend, but some cool errors from mythbackend http://pastebin.ca/430580

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tanq:

i'd be watching tv right now if I used anything else but gentoo

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bill__k:

it's a pvr-150

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tanq:

i'm using a pvr-150 too.

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kormoc:

richw, I'm thinking you need to do the general setup before scanning, but donno if it's what's wrong or not

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richw:

kormoc: Ok il have to have a fiddle.. this will take up alot of my time :(

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kormoc:

bill__k, you should do what it says to do :P

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bill__k:

where are tvsettings?

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bill__k:

under mythfrontend?

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kormoc:

honestly, I don't remember, but I think so

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ShiftyPowers:

anyone know how to disable my htpc from putting the monitor into sleep mode or blanking it?

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ShiftyPowers:

i want it to always no matter what be displaying something

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bill__k:

kormoc, http://pastebin.ca/430590

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bill__k:

changed everything to mpeg4, still got an err

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bill__k:

kormoc, thanks for your help, gotta run

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

can smoeone suggest

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EnterUserName:

settings for a tv.. im getting blocks or blotchy screens using 720x480 with mytharchive still

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kormoc:

I sudgest a setting of HD 2160P and non-sucky!

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EnterUserName:

um

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EnterUserName:

setting hD 2160P?

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EnterUserName:

lol. i mean bitrate and all

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kormoc:

(non-real settings)

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EnterUserName:

oh lol

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EnterUserName:

ya.. i've tried changing the resolution to 720x480

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EnterUserName:

thats tv right/

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EnterUserName:

within the recording profile.

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richw:

I got it working.. Mythtv isnt running very stable

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richw:

although im running a beta operating system :-/

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richw:

the backend just seg faulted and i have to go on "Watch TV" a few times before it works

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EnterUserName:

umm

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EnterUserName:

dokes anyone use mytharchive

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EnterUserName:

ANYONE?

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EnterUserName:

if so are they able to get good quality dvds?

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnterUserName: I have only used "MythBurn" in .19 — just now upgrading to a new .20 server w/MythArchive... Sorry. But I have gotten great results with MythBurn in .19...

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kormoc:

I used it twice and it seemed to work okayish

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kormoc:

the source was okayish so it was expected

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EnterUserName:

Kormoc: whats your video settings i get blotchy video..

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kormoc:

default settings

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EnterUserName:

480x480 resolution?

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kormoc:

sounds right

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EnterUserName:

i dont get it

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EnterUserName:

its blotchy on mine..

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EnterUserName:

im not using mythburn

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EnterUserName:

do i need to use mythburn for it to work?

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EnterUserName:

i'm just burning the ISO straight with k3b

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnterUserName: No- I was just telling you my experience has only been with MythBurn on .19, which has been replaced with the much-more-functionality MythArchive in .20

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EnterUserName:

oh ok

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EnterUserName:

sigh i dont get it.. its worse then b4..

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EnterUserName:

with 720x480 resolution

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multimode:

hello

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EnterUserName:

would changing the default bitrate

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richw:

Can you tell me what distributions you guys use with mythtv?

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EnterUserName:

and maxbitrate destory things if its BETTER than the defaults?

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EnterUserName:

richw: gentoo

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kormoc:

richw, Gentoo as well here

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, shouldn't

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richw:

Very Stable?

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hads:

Ubuntu here

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richw:

with mythtv

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EnterUserName:

gentoo is pretty good

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multimode:

sidux here

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kormoc:

richw, I find Gentoo exceedingly stable, yes

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richw:

Im on Feisty Beta and im getting errors all over the place haha.. it kind of works now though

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richw:

maybe i shouldnt of gone beta :-/

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richw:

hads: Ubuntu version?

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EnterUserName:

kormoc: whats a good biterate

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EnterUserName:

and maxbitrate for mythtv

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EnterUserName:

let me try yer settings

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, all defaults

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, and I record at 2200

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hads:

richw: pre Feisty

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EnterUserName:

eek

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EnterUserName:

2200

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EnterUserName:

im using 4400

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EnterUserName:

maybe i should use 2200

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kormoc:

I'm a sucker for defaults :P

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richw:

hads: Wow and yours dont crash alot?

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EnterUserName:

whats max biterate

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EnterUserName:

ill put it back to defaults

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kormoc:

uhh, let me check

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hads:

richw: No, pretty stable. I don't use the mythtv packages though

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnterUserName: What's your capture card btw?

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hads:

I build from subversion

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EnterUserName:

PVR-150

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richw:

hads: Oh, I think i would use gentoo if i ever used this seriously :-)

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EnterUserName:

it looks great in mythtv but not mythachive

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hads:

richw: Each to their own

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, looks like 3300?

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EnterUserName:

really

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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kormoc:

I'm attempting to read from the db...

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EnterUserName:

weird

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EnterUserName:

ok

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EnterUserName:

let me give it a try

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kormoc:

there's lots of entries in there, so I might be confusing it

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richw:

hads: Im on ubuntu feisty packages and its going crazy on me :P I got a segfault and this problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/104651

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnterUserName: How's the original recording look on the TV, before archiving it?

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EnterUserName:

it looks digital

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richw:

J-e-f-f-A: I use it on my VPS server.. its very nice.

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EnterUserName:

jkormoc: what stream are you using?

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EnterUserName:

PS?

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, believe so

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EnterUserName:

ok

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EnterUserName:

let me try it ll

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EnterUserName:

unless dvdauthor is screwing it up

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnterUserName: So it looks just as bad?

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richw:

How does this backend / frontend thing work.. what if i have two frontend's connected.. how they decide who watches what channel?

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hads:

richw: Well, I guess that is the price you pay for using unreleased software.

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EnterUserName:

no

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EnterUserName:

in mythtv it looks great

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EnterUserName:

when i use the MythARchive

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EnterUserName:

nuvexport did a better job but still not very nice

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnterUserName: Sounds like you're choosing too low of a bitrate when you're archiving it. Bitrate makes more of a difference than resolution (at least on a Standard-Definition TV)

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

jeffa: i increased my bitrate to 6000 i think

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sandeen_:

is mythflix supposed to be able to add films to your queue..?

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EnterUserName:

and my max bitrate to 8000

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EnterUserName:

it still looks bad

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EnterUserName:

is there settings

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EnterUserName:

in MythArchive to increase bitrate?

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EnterUserName:

or do you use the recording profiles?

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EnterUserName:

i didnt see any..

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

maybe its my aspect ratio

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EnterUserName:

i made it 4:3 cuz i have a 4:3 tc

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EnterUserName:

i made it 4:3 cuz i have a 4:3 tv

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EnterUserName:

nah thats not it thats just menu ..

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richw:

Haha.. I asked how to downgrade to Edgy and they was like "format and reinstall" :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnterUserName: My .20 system's not up atm, so I can't check... Sorry (Had an LVM drive crash... good thing I didn't have anything on it yet...)

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EnterUserName:

oh darn :(

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EnterUserName:

How about using mythtanscode

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EnterUserName:

should that be checkboxed?

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EnterUserName:

i have it chekcboxed

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think that if you un-check it, it will create the DVD with the 'raw' mpeg2 file, without transcoding it. The caveot is that you may not be able to play the resulting dvd in all dvd players.

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EnterUserName:

i found something

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EnterUserName:

ffmpeg changed the bit rate flag

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EnterUserName:

but im using a more recent release..

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EnterUserName:

im using gentoo's release.. maybe thats the problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

EnterUserName: ... because it may result in a non-standard compliant DVD.

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EnterUserName:

Oh ok

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EnterUserName:

J-e-f-f-a i found something online

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EnterUserName:

its saying somene had this problem Sept 2006

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EnterUserName:

cuz of ffmpegs changes

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EnterUserName:

how do i change the mytharchive bitrate?

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EnterUserName:

justtt eedih script i know crap about python

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EnterUserName:

let me see if i can find lol

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EnterUserName:

man i know nothing for python blah!

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t0ny-p40:

I keep getting errors in my log like this 325

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t0ny-p40:

strange error flushing buffer ...

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t0ny-p40:

and this [mpeg4 @ 0xb72b6348]warning: first frame is no keyframe

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EnterUserName:

i found out how to change the ffmpeg parameters coot

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EnterUserName:

woo hoo

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EnterUserName:

woo hoo i hh oopetisswrk:)

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EnterUserName:

woo hoo ihope this works.

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t0ny-p40:

mythtv.org is down :/

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emja:

t0ny-p40: ahh, thx for the confirmation

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emja:

I thought it was a problem at my end

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emja:

:-)

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t0ny-p40:

Its been a while now too

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emja:

anyone here use mythgame with mame? I've got this weird issue where the came sometimes goes into windowed mode (ie; not fullscreen) and I lose keyboard control. Alt-Tab doesn't work. only Ctrl-Alt-F1 or Ctrl-Alt-Backspc work

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emja:

I figured it might be a keystroke combination triggering something, except that it happens while playing pacman – which used only the arrows.

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emja:

ideas?

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kormoc:

emja, are you using a window manager?

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emja:

IceWM

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kormoc:

there goes that theory :P

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emja:

trying to keep it simple and lightweight

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emja:

:)

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t0ny-p40:

Is it possible to enable tv out early in the boot? So I can watch boot messages on my tv?

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emja:

t0ny-p40: tv-out works for me from BIOS onwards

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kormoc:

typically the videocard will try to detect to see if a tv is on during boot, and if so, it enables it

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EnterUserName:

hey kormoc: what version of fmpeg you using i think i found the probem :)

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emja:

except that the freq is screwed, so the screen scrolls until the desktop comes up

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kormoc:

if you have a tv that doesn't detect, it won't turn on and you can't force it as far as I know

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, one minute

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t0ny-p40:

emja, what video card?

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emja:

t0ny-p40: do you have both a TV & monitor plugged in at the same time? if so, monitor is likely detected before TV

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t0ny-p40:

No

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t0ny-p40:

only tv out

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EnterUserName:

i wonder rii fxsfixed his nuvexport properly too

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t0ny-p40:

via s-video to rca

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emja:

t0ny-p40: nVidia something

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, a check out as of 2006-10–16

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t0ny-p40:

I have a fx 5200

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t0ny-p40:

nvidia

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emja:

t0ny-p40: ahh, same here

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kormoc:

EnterUserName, avutil 49.0.1, avcodec 51.20.0, avformat 50.6.0

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emja:

but with dual output

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emja:

t0ny-p40: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)

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EnterUserName:

darn this sucks :( i deleted my files when i could have fixed it. well live and let learn i guess :)

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EnterUserName:

i'm using the stable gentoo release

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t0ny-p40:

wtf... channel changing stopped working..

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EnterUserName:

s its the same

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EnterUserName:

is xris around wanna ask him about nuvexport if he incorporated the changes to put k at the end of the -b

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EnterUserName:

command

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EnterUserName:

yup .. sorry guys for bothering you

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EnterUserName:

i fixed it

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EnterUserName:

By editing the xml file for mythharcive b adding a K at the end

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

iiss xraround

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EnterUserName:

xris..

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EnterUserName:

u there?

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EnterUserName:

Did you make modifications to do ffmpeg in bitrate instead of k :)

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EnterUserName:

erk in bits instead of k'?

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xris:

EnterUserName: nope

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EnterUserName:

oh

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xris:

or wait... no, I did not modify ffmpeg.

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EnterUserName:

umm

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xris:

yes, I fixed nuvexport to attempt to detect changes in ffmpeg's way of specifying bitrate.. months ago.

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EnterUserName:

ffmpeg i think does it in bits instead of k now..

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EnterUserName:

oh ok

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EnterUserName:

ya its an old change

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EnterUserName:

MythArchive didnt do it....

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xris:

ah

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EnterUserName:

so i thought it was changed properly cuz i did ps -ef .. and it looked right.. and took the time it was suppose to 8hrs <blah>

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EnterUserName:

im using a gentoo build not svn so it may have been changed by now

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EnterUserName:

lol.. thanx :) I was wondering why my quality was so bad on my mytharchive

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EnterUserName:

:P

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EnterUserName:

xris: did you make the change 20061203?

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EnterUserName:

or b4 that date

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xris:

EnterUserName: not a clue

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xris:

that's a REALLY old copy of nuvexport, thoguh

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EnterUserName:

ya. i know the problem is its the latest gentoo build lol

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EnterUserName:

i guess ill just svn it

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xris:

um, gentoo should have the latest somewhere.

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xris:

easy enough to just grab via svn..

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xris:

then symlink nuvexport into /usr/local/bin

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xris:

no need even to install it

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MadRush:

anybody present willing to hold my hand to get LIRC working?

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orko_:

hi.

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orko_:

i changed the gui resolution. After watching livetv then going into EPg and then back to live tv the screen stays black.

[09:18:05]

orko_:

is this a focus problem?

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pigeon:

is it possible to disable the adjusting-volume-while-seeking feature?

[10:29:09]

juski:

pigeon: you mean hear the audio while you seek? not without changing mythtv's code

[10:29:38]

pigeon:

yeah it's muting/lowering it when i seek, oh ok, thanks.

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juski:

hey apparently ProjectGrayhem is making a user's frontend segfault when it's playing livetv or recordings. Wonder how the theme is getting the blame for that...

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Dagmar:

yay

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Dagmar:

scifi aired the wrong @#@#$ episode of Dresden Files, but at least they have the *right* one for watchin' on their website

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juski:

if ya cannae capture at full whack, fake it :-P

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Chicago:

The 2nd line repeats itself ocassionally and mythphone reports being offline.

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Ryushin:

Is anyone transcoding their recordings to h.264 yet? I've been doing some conversions on some of my DVD's, and the quality of h.264 is far superior to divx/xvid/mpeg4. So I want to transcode using h.264 instead.

[12:25:28]

Ryushin:

Any ideas on where to start looking on how to do this?

[12:26:16]

juski:

make a script & uset it up as a user job

[12:27:53]

Ryushin:

How does Myth know what the name of the outputted file will be?

[12:28:17]

juski:

aha, you need to bone up on how to use user jobs

[12:28:43]

gardengnome:

it's in the wiki

[12:28:55]

juski:

wiki, to the rescue!

[12:28:57]

Ryushin:

Can I also assume the the percentage that's it's completed will not be shown?

[12:28:59]

juski:

..again... :)

[12:29:07]

juski:

yes you can safely assume that

[12:30:11]

Ryushin:

Has anyone else played with h.264 yet? Should I look at using nuvexport, handbrake, ffmpeg?

[12:30:30]

juski:

you should look at making a user job script

[12:30:32]

Ryushin:

I've only been playing with ffmpeg at this opint.

[12:30:47]

juski:

if you know ffmpeg, use that

[12:31:12]

Ryushin:

Off to the wiki I go, I Ho, I Ho, I Ho.

[12:31:24]

juski:

I only transcode/export radio recordings from mythtv. nothing is worth keeping that long

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Ryushin:

Then you either have a lot more free time, or are a lot more disciplined than I am. I have over 17 days worth of recordings at this point.

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juski:

hmmm my backend is gonna be happy when making this video is over

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juski:

since I stopped wasting so muych of my life in here.. ;)

[12:34:23]

Ryushin:

Can MythTV playback H.264 nativly?

[12:34:37]

juski:

any format supported by ffmpeg AFAIK

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Ryushin:

Okay, cool.

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juski:

aha! xvidcap was eating all my memory

[12:35:50]

martinlong:

hey... anyone tried out my preservepadding patch yet?

[12:36:08]

juski:

what what what?

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juski:

Ryushin: you reckon I'm more disciplined at watching what I record? /dev/hdd1 488255424 478266768 9988656 98% /video

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gardengnome:

will it make me famous?

[12:37:09]

martinlong:

what what what what?

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juski:

I should do something about that actually

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juski:

martinlong: _what_ "preservepadding patch" ?

[12:37:33]

juski:

and why would we? ;)

[12:38:07]

martinlong:

oh... I think I only posted on the dev list... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3291

[12:38:56]

juski:

ahh, no need of that here :)

[12:39:02]

martinlong:

It's not for everyone... but it stops pre and post roll from being dropped when there are free tuner cards sat doing diddly

[12:39:22]

juski:

set a show to record at 7pm, and I see an ident, then the start of the show :)

[12:39:23]

martinlong:

okey dokey

[12:39:34]

juski:

(mostly)

[12:39:39]

martinlong:

where's that... US?

[12:39:43]

juski:

UK

[12:39:43]

Ryushin:

juski: Well, I guess we're both in the same boat. Though I'm probably worse since I try to keep adding disk before recordings start to drop off. Up to 1.7 TB at this point. But I still have about 400 GB available. Hopefully once I start watching the Prison Break and 24's that are in HD, I'll free up a lot of space.

[12:40:01]

juski:

only in silly places like Aus do they have ummm 'relaxed' scheduling ;)

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martinlong:

well.. I'm in UK

[12:40:24]

juski:

from what I can gather they might as well say "24 – it's on sometime this Monday"

[12:40:25]

martinlong:

missed the start of Dr Who the other day

[12:40:48]

RaYmAn-Bx:

maybe the box's time is just off?

[12:40:49]

juski:

you missed seeing a lady with very bad teeth :-P

[12:41:05]

juski:

you can set your watch by BBC1 99% of the time

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martinlong:

hehe... I only missed like 30 secs, but it's annoying

[12:41:28]

juski:

so pad recordings you really care about ;)

[12:41:35]

martinlong:

hehe

[12:41:40]

juski:

I start Dr Who off 10 mins before & end 30 mins late

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martinlong:

sounds like a good idea

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juski:

and when wimbledon / world cup comes along... 8 hours should about do it

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martinlong:

haha

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martinlong:

well, if you use EIT it mostly copes with that stuff

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juski:

yeah well I don't.. yet

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juski:

temped to start using EIT in addition to uk_rt

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martinlong:

EIT works well

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martinlong:

I find that RT can have TOO MUCH info... like a whole review for some programmes

[12:43:45]

juski:

there's a raft of stuff coming along that'll be useful enough to make even _me_ switch

[12:43:53]

juski:

series tags in trailers

[12:44:06]

juski:

series links

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martinlong:

well... the playback metadata works well

[12:44:19]

martinlong:

only on BBC so far, but it's good stuff

[12:44:21]

juski:

is that already implemented?

[12:44:27]

martinlong:

oh yea

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** juski beers stuarta **

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martinlong:

in SVN HEAD

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juski:

I knew it was coming, but didn't realise it'd started already

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martinlong:

stuart did a good job with it

[12:45:20]

martinlong:

yeah... just waiting for the other channels to kick in, and it'll be great

[12:45:27]

juski:

so if you watch a recording with a trailer that has the metadata you can schedule a recording from that?

[12:45:38]

martinlong:

can't do that yet

[12:45:54]

martinlong:

I don't know if that is in-scope for playback yet

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juski:

I think it's gonna be

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martinlong:

but, the serieslink stuff works well

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juski:

I often see a trail for something, quit playback & set a recording fer it

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Ryushin:

The user jobs in the wiki is pretty poor. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs

[12:46:43]

juski:

Ryushin: yup

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martinlong:

it works well for alternate instance too, but I'm not sure about split instance

[12:46:55]

juski:

go forth & experimentalise ;)

[12:47:06]

martinlong:

:)

[12:47:19]

juski:

martinlong: course it's totally reliant on the EIT monkeys doing their job properly

[12:47:23]

martinlong:

BBC never seems to have split instance films... more of a channel 5 thing!

[12:47:30]

Ryushin:

Maybe I'll dig through the mail archives first. :)

[12:47:58]

juski:

Ryushin: the wiki entry was enough info for me to go onto write my exportdvbradio.pl script

[12:49:10]

Ryushin:

True, I can see that being enough. But I don't see how to tell MythTV what the new name of the file is after it's done. And how to delete it if it was in use prior to it.

[12:50:14]

Ryushin:

Unless I manually make changes to the database after the job is done.

[12:50:54]

martinlong:

right... need to catch morrissons before they close. See ya

[12:50:59]

juski:

ttfn

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juski:

gah! mytharchive has suddenly turned my box to ashes

[12:52:04]

juski:

I need screenshots of it.. grrr

[12:52:33]

juski:

penny drops that I'm using blootube-wide – could be where all my 512MB has gone

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** juski switches to blootubelite-wide **

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gardengnome:

juski: gbee always complains about mytharchive using too much memory

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Ryushin:

juski: You must have accidentally changed the laser output power in mytharchive to megawatt. That could turn your machine to ash.

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juski:

gardengnome: yeh and with a less than memory efficient theme, that adds up to swappy swap swap swap swappy swap

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gardengnome:

yay

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juski:

so much hogging infact that it was getting killed

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juski:

it's hellishly slow.. couldn't see me using it regularly

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juski:

crikey! last night's Dr Who is 'only' 4GB

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janneg:

juski: for one hour?

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juski:

janneg: 90 mins.. I pad it a lot

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juski:

even so....

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juski:

gardengnome: did you see the lower 3rds demo vid I posted last night?

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janneg:

juski: 6mbit/s, nice for dvb-t

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** juski prepares another test clip to upload **

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juski:

this video is gonna look _sweet_ :)

[13:19:47]

juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/juski/test.m2t (720P mpeg2)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe getting 900KB/s on it :)

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GreyFoxx:

done

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GreyFoxx:

You faked the PiP ?

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juski:

yeh

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GreyFoxx:

heh cool

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juski:

if I don't get permission to use little MePo I can just mute the track :)

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juski:

does the background look ok?

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GreyFoxx:

looks good to me

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gardengnome:

juski: i don't think so

[13:30:47]

juski:

check out the vid I just linked to :)

[13:33:29]

gardengnome:

GreyFoxx: got 950KB/s ;)

[13:35:20]

gardengnome:

i have to admit that this mepo guy is Ã¼bercute. you can't use him in a video and expect people to pay attention to the rest

[13:35:31]

gardengnome:

does it actually make sense to use the mediaportal mascot?

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juski:

you have a good point there

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juski:

he'll have to go

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gardengnome:

we need a cute mascot

[13:37:27]

juski:

maybe I can dust off my 3d skills before the week's out

[13:38:57]

juski:

a tuxy-tubby? ;)

[13:41:08]

nero:

Does anyone know what type of digital signal is sent over DVI/HDMI? Is it just a raw digital signal?

[13:41:27]

nero:

or is it encoded in any way?

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juski:

it can be encrippled

[13:42:25]

juski:

it's very high speed digital video, transmitted over a serial link

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juski:

when I say 'very high speed' I mean like 15Gb/sec or so

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nero:

ok. And I suppose it would be difficult to take that (if it isn't encrippled).. oooh.. 15Gb/sec.. that I think answers what I was going to ask right there.. ;)

[13:44:14]

nero:

but 15Gb/sec.. yeah.. that'd be a bit difficult ;)

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juski:

there's a card for video enthusiasts which takes HDMI & encodes it using something like mjpeg

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nero:

must be $$$

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juski:

but the space requirements for that would make it totally impractical for TV recording use, even with today's HDDs

[13:45:53]

nero:

unless you had something that could encode to a smaller size in real time.

[13:45:59]

nero:

(something other than mjpeg)

[13:46:31]

nero:

(a fast H.264 encoder ;) )

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juski:

well, something listed on linuxdevices.com was developed to encode realtime video to ogg theora. they used an FPGA.. does 1024x768 at 30fps IIRC

[13:47:22]

juski:

that was for an IP camera – so in theory somebody could do the same for a PCI-E card

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nero:

humm.. thats promising (well, that it could be done, not that it ever would be done)

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juski:

you'd need some _major_ powerful logic to compress 1920x1080 to mpeg4 on the fly

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juski:

or one of the commonly available chips.. but the snag there is their dev kits don't come cheap or without hefty restrictions on their use (NDAs prohibiting OSS projects etc)

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Dagmar:

Well, if you pick a very wide kb/s setting it might be doable

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nero:

I'm not thinking 1080p.. I'd be perfectly happy with 720p to start..

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't even think of trying it in realtime with people's usual compression settings for mpeg4 without something VERY cutting-edge in the way of CPU

[13:50:06]

Dagmar:

4Ghz at least

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nero:

but like you said, there'd be major (impossible to overcome) issues with getting it to work on linux/with OSS

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juski:

nero: the encoders on some pvr cards are capable of doing 720p

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juski:

those ones could take component input too, but you don't get component inputs on the cards...

[13:52:18]

juski:

look at the datasheet for a cx23416 ;)

[13:52:20]

nero:

juski, 720p coming from a STB?

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clever[rev]:

ticket made(3292):)

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juski:

yeah they're actually capable

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juski:

I looked but I couldn't find anybody who'd modded their card to take component input though

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juski:

be quite simple to do in theory

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nero:

very interesting..

[13:56:20]

nero:

humm.. so I have a PVR-250... which according to this, has the cx23416 chip..

[13:56:42]

nero:

so in theory, I could mod my card to take component input, and be able to record 720p content?

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juski:

not so sure about that

[13:58:11]

nero:

ahhh. ok.

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juski:

what manufacturers say on datahseets & what's actually possible are sometimes completely different ;)

[13:58:27]

nero:

hehe.. gotcha.

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nero:

well, time to be off to work..

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nero:

btw: I was looking at some of your "new" themes Juski (new to me at least)- nice work!

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juski:

cheers :)

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purserj:

hi I'm trying to remotely access a tuner on my backend but I keep getting this error: RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out

[14:08:00]

praet:

purserj: any firewall configured?

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multimode:

I think my Kworld card is DOA? "saa7133[0]: Huh, no eeprom present (err=-5)?"

[14:08:13]

purserj:

praet: nope

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praet:

on the master server is the ip address set to the default 127.0.0.1

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purserj:

I'm just checking

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purserj:

ah thanks

[14:16:51]

purserj:

praet: thanks for that, fixed everything up

[14:23:27]

jimbalaya:

anyone know if the MythTV supplied via debian packages at http://www.debian-multimedia.org are compiled with lirc support? (which, if I'm correct, needs to be added at compile-time)

[14:23:48]

gardengnome:

jimbalaya: native lirc should be enabled, aye

[14:24:01]

jimbalaya:

thanks gardengnome

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juski:

who in their right mind would build mythtv _without_ lirc ?

[14:25:53]

juski:

and then release packages of it?

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gardengnome:

in 2005, those suse packages didn't ahve DVB support

[14:26:03]

gardengnome:

but that was quite some time ago

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juski:

--disable-v4l :-P

[14:27:09]

gardengnome:

i wish isaac would accept that patch that disables the liblame dependency.

[14:27:45]

gardengnome:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3233

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sandeen:

SlicerDicer-, did you get that linux source code? :)

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jimbalaya:

i know there's a place for channel config in mythtv-setup and also within mythfrontend as well ... not sure what does what, really

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scant:

jimbalaya: you won't get the call letters and icons if you do a scan, add channels via the zap2it source

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scant:

and this must be done with no channels added, you can go to the channel editor in mythtv-setup to delete all channels

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jimbalaya:

ah, ok

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jimbalaya:

so had i not scanned, i wouldn't be having this issue...

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scant:

that's what the forums say, and that's exactly what happened to me...

[15:14:26]

jimbalaya:

does it ever come up that the provided channel information is wrong? ... I attempted to record a show last night that the myth guide said would be on channel 9, when it was actually on channel 7 .... not sure if that's also because of my scanning

[15:14:51]

fryfrog:

data direct has been having some issues for the past week or two, it might be related

[15:15:01]

fryfrog:

a lot of the shows are listed with generic data

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fryfrog:

and i've ended up with a recording of the show "Dresden Files" that was labeled "Law & Order"

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fryfrog:

so it could have gotten a wrong time or channel (or both)

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jimbalaya:

hrm

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scant:

hm...

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SlicerDicer-:

sandeen not yet

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scant:

i had the problem with no call letters or icons... the forums say if you do a scan, it won't add call letters or icons, so i deleted all my channels, and added via datadirect, now i have call signs and channels

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scant:

opps, no i have call signs and icons

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jimbalaya:

and these signs/channel #s line up with the actual channel #s that you'd get if you plugged the cable directly into the TV?

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SlicerDicer-:

hey what is that pluggy thingy called that will replace DVI ;-)

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SlicerDicer-:

pluggy thingy lol

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jimbalaya:

i had a two part issue – one is with myth now not knowing the channel names and one with myth thinking that (for example) abc is channel 9, when really it's channel 7 .... i'll try deleting channels and starting over to see what happens, but i didn't know if anyone else has experienced this

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scant:

jimbalaya: i haven't checked every channel, but it seems correct.

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fryfrog:

HDMI?

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer-: I think it's called "Display Port". — and it's supposed to replace both HDMI and DVI...

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SlicerDicer-:

wow how simple

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SlicerDicer-:

lol ...

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SlicerDicer-:

J-e-f-f-A: But yeah thats what I am talking about the replacement for both dvi and hdmi

[15:30:23]

SlicerDicer-:

the drm shit sandwich

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yep.

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SlicerDicer-:

I was just curious as I was talking to somebody and I could not remember what it was called

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humph... My LVM superblocks got whacked on my new server that I was working on putting into 'production' this weekend... Looks like one of those 500GB drives may be bad... :-( Good thing it happened now instead of a month from now...

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Dagmar:

*kof*burningtestingprocedure*kof*

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Bless you! ;-)

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Ribs:

lol

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jvs:

good afternoon :)

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martinlong:

Afternoon chaps

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martinlong:

wow... busy here today

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J-e-f-f-A:

Varoooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmm--------------->>> ;-)

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Cyberai:

OK, this sounds like a stupid question in my head. But I can't think of any other way to get it answered than to just ask and look like and idiot. If the Motorola 6412 HD tuner box my cable company provides has a coax out on it, can I hook it to the coax in on my PcHDTV-5500 card and get the video/audio?

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc|afk: Are you the one that redid the mythvideo portion of mythweb ?

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kormoc|afk:

Mornin' GreyFoxx, yes I am

[16:04:13]

GreyFoxx:

Nice stuff,

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GreyFoxx:

just looked since the update

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kormoc|afk:

Thanks :)

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kormoc|afk:

I have a few more things to polish up on it, but I'm finishing up the php backend object first

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GreyFoxx:

looks like I need to define an IMDB setting somewhere

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kormoc|afk:

Yeah, it's in the settings page under video settings

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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kormoc|afk:

it tries to auto-detect the path, it just needs to know for sure

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, I just had to hit save

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: what do you mean?

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: you could tell your pcHDTV-5500 to tune to channel 3 and use an external script, but it wouldn't be in HD afaik

[16:13:34]

fryfrog:

Cyberai: why not use the firewire port on the DCT6412?

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fryfrog:

and failing that, the svideo port

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, I was hoping the coax could deliver HD. Considering the input on the PcHDTV can accept it.

[16:17:05]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, then my premium 5C encrypted channels become available to me through the mythtv interface

[16:17:57]

Cyberai:

but I guess you're saying the coax out on the motorola box does not output HD

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juski:

Cyberai: for a STB to re-transmit ATSC would be very complimicatered

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Cyberai:

true true

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: I can't tell you from actual experience, but i would *not* bet on the RF cable coming out in HD :)

[16:19:37]

Cyberai:

if someone would just hurry up and get that black magic HDMI input card linux driver written :)

[16:19:50]

fryfrog:

I don't have HBO, but *none* of my channels are 5C'd

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juski:

Cyberai: oh yeah you love recordings eating HD space.

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fryfrog:

do you have commcast or somethine else?

[16:20:30]

juski:

and I'd bet my HOUSE on you not getting HD out of the coax output on any STB

[16:20:50]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, I have been scanning for my digital channels for three days, to no avail. I just talked to the cable company, and apparently the signals are there, I'm just not tuning them in for some reason.

[16:21:20]

fryfrog:

Cyberai: wait, why aren't you using your STB?

[16:21:30]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, I don't have it yet

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Cyberai:

delivery tomorrow

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fryfrog:

OHHHH

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fryfrog:

with QAM, you are probably going to turn up 300–400 channels, only 6 or so of which are HD and unencrypted

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xris:

Cyberai: the coax output likely doesn't output any digital signal.. those outputs are usually only for channels 3 and 4, for people who have TVs too old for composite/svideo plugs.

[16:22:07]

Cyberai:

I have insight cable in northern KY, apparently all channels except the premium ones are unencrypted

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fryfrog:

they recently altered the channel line up in my area, so i have to re-search all 400 *blank* channels for the 6 that work :/

[16:22:42]

fryfrog:

Cyberai: for scan type, you are using QAM 256 right?

[16:22:45]

Cyberai:

I was hoping I didn't need the STB at all, considering I don't need the premium channels

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fryfrog:

us-cable?

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Cyberai:

yep

[16:22:51]

Cyberai:

yep

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fryfrog:

and myth doesn't find *any* channels?

[16:23:03]

Cyberai:

nope

[16:23:10]

Cyberai:

something isn't right in HDcable land

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fryfrog:

weird

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Cyberai:

yeah

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Cyberai:

the system sees my card

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Cyberai:

but scans get bupkis

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fryfrog:

you try some of the other qam? 128? 64?

[16:23:54]

fryfrog:

or is it possible for them to not even use qam?

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, are you using an internal hd tuner card or just your STB?

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Cyberai:

I tried all 3 QAM methods, standard, HRC and IRC.

[16:24:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

Umm... sounds like the cable isn't even connected yet then....

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fryfrog:

I have 2x air2pc pci internal cards and 2x DCT-6412s

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, you and I need to talk. I can't seem to even get my air2pc card to work

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Cyberai:

I have a hauppagge 150, an air2pc and a PcHDTV-5500

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Cyberai:

I don't even see my air2pc, and my scanning attempts with the 5500 have been for naought

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Cyberai:

err naught

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fryfrog:

you probably just need the drivers for the air2pc card

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fryfrog:

I'm running Ubuntu now, but have done em in Gentoo too

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Cyberai:

I'm on MythDora

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fryfrog:

wtf is mythdora?

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Cyberai:

prebuilt myth, like knoppmyth

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Cyberai:

better IMHO

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fryfrog:

oic

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Cyberai:

so fryfrog, are you just using your DCT-6412's to get the premium channels?

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fryfrog:

try "modinfo b2c2_flexcop_pci" and see if it says anything

[16:29:08]

fryfrog:

no, my DCT-6412 gets me *every* channel I pay for (like 200+?)_

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Cyberai:

hmmm, module is there

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fryfrog:

until about a week ago, I used the air2pc cards to record from the major networks

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fryfrog:

try "modprobe b2c2_flexcop_pci" and then see what dmesg says

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fryfrog:

maybe lsmod | grep b2c2_flexcop

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fryfrog:

before

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fryfrog:

make sure it isn't loaded

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Cyberai:

the b2c2_flexcop_pci module is loaded

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fryfrog:

ah, and your dmesg history?

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Cyberai:

dmesg|grep b2c2

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Cyberai:

b2c2-flexcop: B2C2 FlexcopII/II(b)/III digital TV receiver chip loaded successfully

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Cyberai:

but I also get the message "b2c2-flexcop: i2c master_xfer failed

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Cyberai:

"

[16:32:54]

Cyberai:

right under it

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: hey, check this: https://launchpad.net/bugs/55827

[16:34:39]

Cyberai:

Don't know if this helps, but I can't get the PcHDTV_5500 to pick up any ATSC channels either if I hook it up to an antennae. Probably just the crappy antennae though.

[16:35:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Cyberai: What do you get if you hook that antenna up to a real tv?

[16:35:24]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, what's your procedure for scanning for channels with the air2pc?

[16:35:46]

Cyberai:

J-e-f-f-A, I don't have a "real" tv anymore, only my monitor on my myth system

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Cyberai:

Westinhouse 37" 1080p via HDMI

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J-e-f-f-A:

Cyberai: No coax input on the TV?

[16:36:41]

Cyberai:

J-e-f-f-A, no, it's not a TV

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Cyberai:

J-e-f-f-A, it has no tuner inside it, it's a display only. I let my Mythbox do all that.

[16:37:58]

J-e-f-f-A:

Cyberai: Ok, just trying to understand... So you've got no 'livetv' now — but are installing digital cable for use with MythTV...

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fryfrog:

Cyberai: I just assign a blank listing to my air2pc card (which i created) then goto scan channels

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Cyberai:

J-e-f-f-A, actually, I have live regular cable. I have 2 mythboxen, one is a more standard setup (P4/2 happaugge 150's, DVI output to the monitor)

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Cyberai:

it works fine. I'm building a second "mega box" to do HD etc.

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, I don't understand what you mean when you say a "blank listing"

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fryfrog:

ummm

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fryfrog:

mythtv-setup

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fryfrog:

create a card

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fryfrog:

create a lineup

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fryfrog:

(with no channels)

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fryfrog:

assign the lineup to the card

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J-e-f-f-A:

Cyberai: Ok, so you already have a working SD myth box, but your new HD box won't tune in anything, off the same cable? Not even the SD content?

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fryfrog:

scan for channels

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Cyberai:

J-e-f-f-A, yes to #1, but my new box tunes in SD just fine with it's Hauppage 150.

[16:45:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

Cyberai:Ok, that makes more sense. I wonder if the cable company has a filter on the cable line that's blocking the digital channels...

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kormoc|afk:

J-e-f-f-A, also keep in mind, Cyberai isn't subscribed to digital cable

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc|afk: Yeah, that's what I was thinking... He's got a box on the way, so maybe they haven't turned it on yet. Back 'in the day' they used to put a physical filter on the cable line — now it's probably programmable from the central office...

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kormoc|afk:

Cyberai, is the box on the way for a digital plan or standard plan?

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Cyberai:

sorry, I'm back. Some moron hammered our net

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kormoc|afk:

Cyberai, is the box on the way for a digital plan or standard plan?

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Cyberai:

I ordered digital cable, the box comes with it

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kormoc|afk:

kk, the other day you said you didn't order digital cable, so I thought at least

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Cyberai:

yeah, but I called insight, and the rep said the tech's don't have to turn anything on at the curb etc. That makes me think the channels are there, I'm just not seeing them.

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kormoc|afk:

well, when the box shows up and it works, then you know that the channels are there

[17:00:10]

Cyberai:

so tomorrow they will show up and hook up the box. I'm just going to have them hook it to the monitor via HDMI. Then I will know for sure the channels are there.

[17:00:11]

Cyberai:

lol

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Cyberai:

jinx, as my daughter would say

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Cyberai:

I am now growing more and more suspicious that I don't know what the &^%$# I'm doing in how I set up my digital/HD cards

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Cyberai:

wouldn't be the first time

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Chassis/de . . . e/soft07.jpg hmm looks like konqueror gear ripped off turned green

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, when you set up your air2pc cards, what card type did you select in mythtv-setup?

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ASiDiE:

is anyone here using the build in EPG grabber for dish or bev? IF so... are you guys seeing skipped shows in the guide? Pretty random..

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ASiDiE:

the built in... sorry

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B00KemDAN0:

anyone here i can talk to about myth?

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** B00KemDAN0 = noob **

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gardengnome:

ask a question

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B00KemDAN0:

can u use it in conjunction with sky tv decoder?

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B00KemDAN0:

so u can watch and record sky on ur pc

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jason_:

hey all.. i'm working on a distributed comm flagger for a school project and needed some data from around the world/US. I need volunteers that will record some specific show (to be determined) and send it over to me.. would any of you be interested?

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gardengnome:

um

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jason_:

it will work on finding segments of the video that everyone doesn't have, and mark those as commercials

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gardengnome:

are you asking people to pirate stuff for you? :)

[18:20:23]

jason_:

heh i guess?

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juski:

B00KemDAN0: yes you can, but you'll need some way for mythtv to change channels on the $ky box

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Cyberai:

I would suggest you find a publically broadcast show

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mikeh:

hi all

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juski:

B00KemDAN0: think IR blaster, or a nifty box that goes from serial or USB to RF2 on the $ky box

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jason_:

Cyberai: was planning on using such a show anyway since more people have access to it

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mikeh:

how do i bring up the tv guide when watching live tv? I cant find the keybinding on the mythtv wiki

[18:21:41]

B00KemDAN0:

is there no direct sky/pc connection?

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juski:

B00KemDAN0: no legal one

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mikeh:

i cant set it to automatically come up when starting live tv... but i cant find how to display it on demand

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jams:

mike3_- i or m both are good keys to try

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Cyberai:

jason, I'd use something from PBS etc

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jason_:

mikeh: s

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B00KemDAN0:

why dont sky make one >_<

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B00KemDAN0:

bastards

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B00KemDAN0:

:)

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mikeh:

jams, Cyberai – thank you both, :)

[18:22:57]

B00KemDAN0:

so, will myth record to my HD?

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jason_:

Cyberai: Gotcha.. would you volunteer 30 mins on your mythbox? :)

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juski:

B00KemDAN0: slightly

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B00KemDAN0:

and without this connecotr i will need to manually change the chans right?

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juski:

B00KemDAN0: you will tire of that very quickly

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B00KemDAN0:

what u mean "slightly"

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juski:

mythtv is a PVR – how else do you think it records TV.. onto punched cards?!

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jason_:

Cyberai: thanks

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B00KemDAN0:

lmao dont be mean i'm new :)

[18:24:30]

B00KemDAN0:

something like this: http://www.dusky-control.com/

[18:24:34]

juski:

new to computers aswell?

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juski:

B00KemDAN0: yeah that'd be one way to do it

[18:25:47]

B00KemDAN0:

i heard the IR method is unreliable

[18:25:58]

juski:

it can be slow & unreliable yes

[18:26:15]

juski:

reliable if the person who sets it up has a clue :)

[18:26:16]

B00KemDAN0:

so this gadget is the bees knees then

[18:26:22]

B00KemDAN0:

lmao

[18:26:54]

juski:

I suggested someone here buy a similar thing & he's chuffed with his

[18:27:03]

B00KemDAN0:

excellent :)

[18:27:12]

B00KemDAN0:

my last nooby question

[18:27:23]

B00KemDAN0:

all encryption will be stripped once recorded right?

[18:27:31]

juski:

eh?

[18:27:41]

B00KemDAN0:

i.e not like sky+ which blocks the recordings being played back if u no longer subscribe >_<

[18:27:44]

juski:

the $ky box does the decrippling

[18:27:51]

B00KemDAN0:

now i know why u type it like $ky

[18:27:52]

B00KemDAN0:

:P

[18:28:44]

juski:

"that'll be Â£300 for the box, plus Â£50 a month for the rest of your life, okay Mr Smith?".. nah

[18:29:18]

juski:

"oh and if the weather is bad & you can't get a signal you won't be able to watch your recordings either"

[18:29:54]

fryfrog:

Cyberai: DVB

[18:30:03]

Zider:

"if the moon is out of phase your recordings will be randomly deleted"

[18:30:18]

juski:

..." even the ones you paid for on PPV"

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juski:

there's lots to dislike about $ky ;)

[18:31:12]

fryfrog:

juski: wait, you mean if the signal is bad the PVR doesn't work???

[18:31:13]

B00KemDAN0:

lmao

[18:31:19]

juski:

B00KemDAN0: get a PVR150 card to grab the svideo output of the satellite box

[18:31:20]

B00KemDAN0:

PPV only stays recorded for a week >_<

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juski:

fryfrog: yeah with Sky Plus' PVR

[18:31:29]

Cyberai:

fryfrog, I am discovering that my air2pc card is working, but I don't have it hooked up to the cable.

[18:31:31]

fryfrog:

why?

[18:31:36]

B00KemDAN0:

thata goodun?

[18:31:42]

juski:

fryfrog: cos they're bastards?

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, when I tell it to scan for ATSC, I am getting faint stuff, but nothing I can tune in

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juski:

B00KemDAN0: I said a PVR150 card

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B00KemDAN0:

lol

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B00KemDAN0:

sorry i just lookin at recommended ones from a website

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__jason:

Anyone else have a 30 minute slot to spare for a school project of mine? Need different samples from across America for the recording..

[18:32:49]

juski:

I would NOT recommend a tuner/capture card that doesn't do encoding in hardware to _anybody_ – not even noobs

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Cyberai:

getting a PVR150 is getting hard – Hauppage is shipping HVR-1600's to anyone who orders the 150 now. I know, I ordered 2 and got HVR's instead (which are useless) I had to send em back.

[18:33:15]

juski:

not for analogue grabbing anyway ^^^^

[18:33:26]

B00KemDAN0:

pvr 150

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B00KemDAN0:

ebay best bet then?

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gardengnome:

juski: would someone please think of the kittens?

[18:33:44]

juski:

B00KemDAN0: nah. prolly ebuyer or scan.co.uk

[18:33:51]

Cyberai:

I prefer the 150's over anything else. I tried a 250 and it got the worst picture EVER

[18:33:59]

juski:

though there've been some semi-cheap ones on Fleabay recently

[18:34:12]

juski:

don't pay more than Â£60

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tank-man:

non-hardware capture card is ok if your pc is fast

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Cyberai:

Circuit City still has 150's on the shelves, pretty cheap too and you can return em easy

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Cyberai:

if they are DAO

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Cyberai:

err DOA

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juski:

tank-man: you mean apart from the grave difficulties almost every user encounters getting the sound to capture properly...

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jams:

not to mention the washed out colors that can occur

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juski:

not to mention not being able to tell the difference between a grab at 480x480 resolution & one at 720x576

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juski:

quality is very variable with framegrabbers – there are a lot of ban uns

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jams:

yep

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juski:

whereas the hauppauge pvr cards are a known quantity

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jams:

i have two on the shelf. When I first started I didn't want to spend the money for the 250

[18:36:59]

jams:

dumb mistake

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juski:

B00KemDAN0: bear in mind that with one $ky box & one pvr150 card you will be able to watch/record only one thing at any one time

[18:37:08]

Cyberai:

hey fryfrog, how well do your Motorola boxes perform hooked up to your Mythbox? Do you get good reception and good fast channel changing?

[18:37:32]

juski:

B00KemDAN0: nothing to stop you recording one thing & watching something you've already recorded though

[18:38:13]

B00KemDAN0:

o i c

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B00KemDAN0:

good point

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juski:

B00KemDAN0: for extra versatility I'd recommend you get a freeview tuner card (DVB-T) or 2

[18:39:01]

juski:

anyway.. time to eat & watch mythtv :)

[18:39:34]

B00KemDAN0:

FM TV aint gona be on after next year lol

[18:39:42]

B00KemDAN0:

so yeah a digi one would make sense :)

[18:39:50]

B00KemDAN0:

thanks

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hjohnson:

B00KemDAN0: i'll bet the elimination of analog tv will be pushed back.

[18:40:25]

B00KemDAN0:

its being phased in

[18:40:30]

B00KemDAN0:

rural aeras first

[18:40:32]

B00KemDAN0:

which is me

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B00KemDAN0:

:)

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hjohnson:

I think that in Canada, OTA tv will just go away entirely.

[18:41:05]

B00KemDAN0:

which is fcking gay considering the rural areas are the areas with the worst reception

[18:41:15]

B00KemDAN0:

:P

[18:41:28]

B00KemDAN0:

i cant get the 5 main chans via freeview

[18:41:32]

B00KemDAN0:

but i get all the extra sgit

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B00KemDAN0:

shit*

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Cyberai:

fryfrog, also, what ar eyou using as your remote?

[18:55:55]

GreyFoxx:

holysh*t .... .M$ is gonna add xvid playback to the xbox360 for playback... and H264

[18:56:31]

Cyberai:

what's the CPU in those things?

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GreyFoxx:

I can't remember, but fairly pwoer full

[18:56:46]

GreyFoxx:

dual g4 somethings I think

[18:56:50]

Cyberai:

ah

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Cyberai:

if I have an STB hooked up via firewire, myth can tell it to change channels through that can't it? Or do I have to get an IR Blaster too?

[18:57:58]

juski:

GreyFoxx: fer real?

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Yeah, I'm reading it from the xbox.com (ms owned) website right now.

[18:58:41]

GreyFoxx:

they are adding mpeg4 blah blah

[18:58:59]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, until now you had to live transcode to wmv

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GreyFoxx:

the xbox just got a little sexier for my uses :)

[19:00:05]

GreyFoxx:

or it will in a few weeks

[19:00:19]

GreyFoxx:

and pushes me to improve the upnp mythvideo integration

[19:00:51]

GreyFoxx:

the 360 is loud, but the video out looks great, and if people can already handle the hurricane sounds from an old xbox they can use this too

[19:00:54]

juski:

how noisy is the 360? I've seen the innards & I can't imagine it's very quiet looking at the hoofing fans

[19:01:06]

GreyFoxx:

I find it loader than my main backend

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juski:

haha

[19:01:45]

GreyFoxx:

they added IM to it too hehe and awill be selling a keyboard/controller

[19:02:07]

juski:

starting to sound like a blimmin mythical convergence box...

[19:02:14]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

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juski:

actually you just reminded me I need to add something about upnp to the video I'm doing

[19:03:04]

GreyFoxx:

tie it into mythbackend/upnp and it can be sweet

[19:04:19]

GreyFoxx:

Wonder if this is to tackle the AppleTV stuff... especially since it was hacked and can play just about anything now

[19:07:25]

GreyFoxx:

hehe it handles bookmarks

[19:07:46]

Cyberai:

yeah, but a recent review really panned AppleTV's HD quality, said it's barely better than standard cable tv quality

[19:08:19]

juski:

it'll only do 720p anyway won't it?

[19:08:29]

Cyberai:

dunno, just glanced at the review

[19:08:34]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, but I don't buy it. From what i read they used SDTV video scalled up to HD reoslution... if that's true then sure it would look soft/blurry and crappy

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** GreyFoxx compiles myth up to test the new auto discovery stuff **

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jams:

heh almost applied that patch, but don't think i'm ready to svn up just yet

[19:15:06]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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Cyberai:

well, that's what the review said GreyFoxx, that it looked soft and blurry

[19:15:17]

GreyFoxx:

I haven't in acouple weeks. So I was due

[19:15:36]

GreyFoxx:

Cyberai: If they were playing SDTV content on an HDTV output, that's what I would expect

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GreyFoxx:

if it was real hd content that's another matter

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Cyberai:

yup yup

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Cyberai:

I have some HD clips I've been using to test my new HD system, and GOD is the picture amazing

[19:16:32]

jams:

if it works well I can remove my makeshift autodiscovery stuff

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fysafysa:

Apple TV + wireless SPDIF + front projector mythfrontend. that's what I'd like.

[19:16:47]

Cyberai:

I have had such a time building this box, I'm going to write a HUGE howto on it when I am done. Probably push it up to the myth wiki

[19:17:24]

Cyberai:

MythtvHD for the avera Joe

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Cyberai:

or: "How to make every mistake possible when setting up an HDTV MythTV system and still get the thing to work"

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fryfrog:

fysafysa: wireless SPDIF?

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fryfrog:

is that real?

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fryfrog:

XIT

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fryfrog:

OOPS

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Zider:

apparently it's possible

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Zider:

but I don't see any commercial solutions

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fysafysa:

well..

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fysafysa:

I've heard of people using 2.4GHz RF video transmitters to send SPDIF.

[19:37:13]

fysafysa:

coax spdif has the same plug :)

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Zider:

too bad coax-to-optical is so expensive.. and optical cables.. :P

[19:38:16]

fysafysa:

optical cables?

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fysafysa:

www.monoprice.com

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fysafysa:

I think I paid $15 for a 30 footer

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opello:

monoprice++ for cables and adapters

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Zider:

how much is 30 foot?

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fysafysa:

10m

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fysafysa:

I have one running through my attic..

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Zider:

ah

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fysafysa:

from my office to my A/V receiver

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Zider:

does monoprice send to sweden at decent cost? :P

[19:39:23]

fysafysa:

50 foot optical

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fysafysa:

$8.67

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fysafysa:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . 2&style=

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hjohnson:

I paid $200 for 1.5km of battlefield fiber.

[19:39:46]

Zider:

that is cheap, yes

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Zider:

:P

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fysafysa:

haha

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hjohnson:

two strand, kevlar covered...

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hjohnson:

we run 100mbit over it

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frink_:

i made my own optical cables, a reel of fibre (right type!) on Ebay and some plugs (ebay)

[19:42:11]

frink_:

anyway, does anybody know how to upgrade kernels on fedora?

[19:42:24]

fysafysa:

fedora uses yum doesn't it?

[19:42:29]

frink_:

yeah

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fysafysa:

and up2date?

[19:42:40]

frink_:

yeah

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frink_:

should a yum -y update do it all?

[19:42:51]

frink_:

oh its doign something

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** frink_ puts the kettle on **

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frink_:

it failed last time..

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fysafysa:

yum update kernel

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frink_:

yup thats doing something.. Duno why it failed last time.

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frink_:

thanks fysafysa

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frink_:

now then.. :) Anybody know a decent video card with s-video out and built in mpeg decoder that myth likes?

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frink_:

or just whats the best card to get..

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juski:

nvidia fx5200 ftw!

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juski:

not that it decodes mpeg of course

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juski:

there's not much in the way of GPUs that do

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antiPosix:

is it true that the mceusb2 is now capable of changing the carrier frequency via software?

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immolo:

xris- You still looking for a GPL flash player?

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BSD_Tech:

ok got my tv card and remote

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gardengnome:

all working?

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BSD_Tech:

I have to get the driver on bsd working

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BSD_Tech:

or get or load mythdora

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gardengnome:

good luck

[20:23:18]

BSD_Tech:

I willload up mythdora

[20:24:02]

BSD_Tech:

but I only have a 30 gig hd for now till the new one comes

[20:25:47]

BSD_Tech:

the 400gig is on order

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BSD_Tech:

ok anyone here running a air2pc-atsc-pci hdtv card

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** gardengnome has just installed beryl **

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gardengnome:

i think i'm going to be sick

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BSD_Tech:

why

[20:35:12]

gardengnome:

it's wobbly

[20:35:18]

BSD_Tech:

lol

[20:35:46]

anykey_:

i liked that water plugin :)

[20:36:03]

BSD_Tech:

I have yet to play with it

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anykey_:

I had to remove it, bug in the nvidia driver

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gardengnome:

nice. i can even use a "kde decorator" that'll make things look almost normal again

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BSD_Tech:

ahh

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BSD_Tech:

well I fist hae to get myth working

[20:39:44]

BSD_Tech:

I have ti get the tv card working

[20:40:14]

BSD_Tech:

might mean moving to mythdora

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anykey_:

you could also stick with gentoo, similar to the ports i think you have with bsd

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BSD_Tech:

never used linux

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BSD_Tech:

and I know myth works on bsd just have to get the card working

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BSD_Tech:

the box i going to do 2 things myth and asterisk

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Saviq:

guys, I can't remember... what was the X tool for changing screen height, width, sync and so on?

[20:47:33]

Saviq:

it had a simple gui with the values displayed

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hendrixski:

BSD_Tech, does asterisk do voip for the average household or is it more of an office pbx type thing? Also, BTW, it's included in LinuxMCE

[20:47:43]

Saviq:

and allowing to change them on the fly...

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BSD_Tech:

you can use it for home setup

[20:48:03]

Saviq:

hendrixski: it does most of whatever you need

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Saviq:

it's enough for office use and more than enough for home setup

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BSD_Tech:

linuxmce ?

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hendrixski:

Saviq, yeah I'm affraid to try it because it looks like way more than needed for a home setup

[20:49:53]

hendrixski:

BSD_Tech, Linux Media Center Edition.... it's basicly a port of the Pluto technology (www.plutohome or something like that) it does home automation, media server uses a myth backend, has a really slick 3d front end... and is kind of hard to setup

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BSD_Tech:

hmm ok

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BSD_Tech:

is there a full install iso

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hendrixski:

umm... sort of... there's an iso for installing it on top of Ubuntu I tried it on a virtual machine, and it's really big... kind of turned me off

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BSD_Tech:

hmm

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hendrixski:

compared to installing mythTV on Ubuntu (which is like 3 minutes plus downloading the program guides) ... it's a pain in the butt

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BSD_Tech:

ahh

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BSD_Tech:

like the idea of full home automation

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hendrixski:

home automation is all the rage now. Pluto just went crazy with it. it's open source and can do everything... it does too much i don't think that the market is ready for them

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BSD_Tech:

well I will put it on my via c3 and look at it

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bert_:

Does anyone have a good resource for mythtv and DVB cards? I can't seem to get a lock

[21:14:26]

BSD_Tech:

I have a dvb board aslo

[21:16:49]

BSD_Tech:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . d=1&rd=1

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BSD_Tech:

and mythdora is not finding it

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joecoder:

installed mythtv on opensuse

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joecoder:

when I run mythtv or mythtv-frontend, it asks a few questions and then exists.

[21:21:07]

joecoder:

language, database, etc.

[21:22:24]

BSD_Tech:

did you run mythtv-setup

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BSD_Tech:

before starting the front end

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joecoder:

ah, thanks

[21:23:40]

joecoder:

database errors

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joecoder:

perhaps mysql isn't running?

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joecoder:

service mysql start

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joecoder:

worked

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joecoder:

hm, guess I need to create the database for it?

[21:25:10]

joecoder:

I shoudl probably also get wifi working on the machine first

[21:25:12]

joecoder:

it's got one pci slot

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joecoder:

and the tv tuner is in it

[21:25:20]

joecoder:

and the onboard lan is broken

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joecoder:

thanks, ttyl

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gardengnome:

what do you fill in there?

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gardengnome:

"hello world"?

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Jinx:

none work atm

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Jinx:

its a common problem, looking at the mailing list

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Jinx:

but i cant find a proper solution yet

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Jinx:

(i have audio, myth just doesn't record it thru backend, opening it up in standard mixer gives desync'ed sound)

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jvs:

I'm off, good nite

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t0ny-p40:

Jinx, does your users have rights to accesss the sound device?

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Hoxzer_:

:/

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Jinx:

i reckon so. i can play regilar MP3 files. frontend is run as the same user

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Hoxzer_:

it is 1 A.M Here I can't get sleep

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Hoxzer_:

*+and i

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Hoxzer_:

However I just manage to setup my mythbox to provide wireless internet connection

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Hoxzer_:

;) so I can use irc from my bed

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gardengnome:

wow

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gardengnome:

can't you setup your mythbox to give you a life? ;)

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Hoxzer_:

:( it doens't want me to have one

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Jinx:

its always giving me this: "AudioInit(): /dev/null: error setting audio input device to etc etc etc"

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Jinx:

but mythtv-setup wont keep my settings

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Jinx:

(probably because i have no idea what to enter in it)

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kormoc:

that doesn't seem like a valid sound card

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Jinx:

in the capture card setup there's nothing in the "audio device" list and if i type something manually it wont keep that setting

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kormoc:

and you compiled myth yourself or is it a package?

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Jinx:

own compile

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Jinx:

only had trouble with packages

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kormoc:

and in the ./configure output, you sure it said you had oss support?

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Jinx:

yup...

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Jinx:

no ALSA support tho. and since i upgraded to 2.6 its default alsa

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Jinx:

should i try install the OSS_ALSA emulation package?

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kormoc:

yes, you need to

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kormoc:

myth can only capture via oss

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Jinx:

ah, ok

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Kritter:

ok so I just put a VCD into my mythbox and it doesn't play, just flashes the screen really quickly and returns to the menu.

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antiProzak:

anyone using the mceusb2 to blast/send ir?

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Jinx:

gonna reboot... hope it solves some stuff

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Jinx:

then again.. Linux isnt windows

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jd86:

Are there only a small population of users with slave backends? I'm having problems and its been ever since I've added slave backend... but searching hasn't resolved it and gdb traces didn't make any sense to me (will repost to mythtv-dev.. ) but it seems like it is doing it most of the time and I would think it would happen to others...

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janneg:

jd86: I think at least a few devs use slave backends

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jd86:

janneg, ok... I've just been having problems with backends crashing... sometimes after commflag is done (and the other time seems to have been solved) also... the backend starts tons of commflag and transcode jobs when its set to 1 or 2 jobs simultaneous only... but if they use them I assume they are commflag/transcode so maybe its something specific here

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janneg:

jd86: my systems are pretty stable. I can't even remember if I saw one crash this year (except development and test issues)

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jd86:

janneg, well I run svn trunk... I should have said that a long time ago :(

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janneg:

I just assumed that. I should have said that I'm one of the devs with slave backends

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jd86:

:)

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jd86:

Have you ever heard of people/or had problems where a whole ton of jobs would be started? I often wonder if it has something to do with my database being older (like over a year old...) and something getting messed up along the way... I'm really starting to get to be at a loss as to the two problems

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janneg:

jd86: no. I think it's unlikely that age of the database is the problem. There should be much older databases around

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janneg:

but you could check with mysqlcheck if your database has crashed tables

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jd86:

I think I should probably try to figure out why its starting all of those jobs at once, maybe that'll help figure out the rest (perhaps linux is killing the backend from lack of memory)

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jd86:

i did that not too long ago, but good idea, I'll do it again

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jd86:

janneg, mysqlcheck gave me a clean bill of health

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janneg:

jd86: ok. something I didn't understand: do you have tons of queued jobs and the backend starts them all under certain conditions?

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nero:

Woohoo.. Just got a 40" Samsung 720p LCD :D

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jd86:

janneg, I have a TON of them queued because my family was getting sick of the backend crashing so i turned off processing of both commflag and transcode, and left processing of them on on my SBE THis was from a little while ago but just found it in my history: http://pastebin.ca/430186

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jd86:

janneg, actually in that example it seems it started the same job over and over again, at times it does start different jobs

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jimbalaya:

i know there's some issue with zap2it or something ... so i'm not sure if this is related or not .... but my channel line up is strangely wrong

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jd86:

tank-man, i had it set to one... then tried putting to 2 incase 1 was broken (getting desperate) and it still starts a ton

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tank-man:

what do you mean a ton of jobs? for example, after it finishes recording a show, what jobs does it do?

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jd86:

tank-man, I actually have a HUGE queue of jobs which i do want processed... but at the moment when it finishes recording a show it adds it to the long list to be processed

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janneg:

jd86: does `ps aux` report threads (maybe with linuxthreads)? or why have you multiple backend instances running?

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jd86:

I only start one, so it must report threads... I think i use nptl

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jd86:

(if I'm talking about the correct thing... not that familiar with that stuff)

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jd86:

actually

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jd86:

i don't have nptl

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jimbalaya:

is there a certain process to have channels properly configured?

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janneg:

nptl is the new thing and at least my ps does not report threads

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jd86:

janneg, yeah, i knew nptl is new, and I thought I had that... apparently I am still using linuxthreads

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jd86:

janneg, that couldn't be causing a problem could it?

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janneg:

ok, then it would report each thread as process

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janneg:

jd86: no, it shouldn't

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jd86:

I wonder if I should switch over to nptl or if it really doesn't make a big enough difference

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janneg:

the backend seems to start a new thread per job and it starts the same job

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jd86:

hmm

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jd86:

ah, i see why i don't ahve nptl, I am using the no nptl profile :) heh... anyway thats a project for another day.

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jd86:

janneg, Do you know how that could be happening... is it not a mythtv problem and a problem with something on my system or..?

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Jinx:

bah.still cant get that sound capture working :(

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janneg:

jd86: it might make a difference since the bug you see is probably a race condition. do you see the same behaviour on the master backend?

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jd86:

janneg, i have, I don't know if tahts primarily whats crashing it now.. it seems as though the commercial flagging kills it at some point (when finished I think)... but I don't know how to track that down

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Kritter:

wow even inserting a vcd seems to pause the whole system

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jd86:

so you are thinking it might be possible nptl has something to do with it?

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janneg:

the output of "SELECT * FROM jobqueue;" then it's happening again would be interesting

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jd86:

ok... maybe I'll start up the slave backend again and see how that goes... when you view the job in the frontend or on mythweb the % done seemed to fluctuate... so maybe each process thats doing it is reporting it back

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janneg:

jd86: no, nptl has nothing to do with it. but it might change the timing so that the bug isn't triggered. switching to nptl is probably too much effort

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Smirnov:

why is installing mythtv on fedora core 6 so hard? whyyyy

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Smirnov:

whoever made mythtv an atrpms package needs to be flogged

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janneg:

jd86: yes, each job reports it's own status

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jd86:

janneg, I run gentoo, there ar epretty instructions how to switch to nptl... if it fixes the problem I will do it :)

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janneg:

jd86: I can't even estimate the probability that a switch to nptl will workaround that bug

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jd86:

okay... so is this something I should put on mythtv-dev or trac or?

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janneg:

jd86: and run the backend with -v jobqueue

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janneg:

trac with the process list and master and slave backend logs

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jd86:

ok

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janneg:

jd86: please run both backends with -v jobqueue

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jd86:

yeah thats in there for both

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jd86:

but if i'm going to turn processing of commflag jobs back on, it'll have to be later when noone is using the tv :)

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jd86:

(on MBE)

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janneg:

jd86: that is probably the same bug, so it should be enough to let the slave backend crash

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jd86:

should I use _only_ -v jobqueue ?

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janneg:

yes

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jd86:

hmm

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jd86:

its not doing it now... must not feel like it :)

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jd86:

maybe the new svn install fixed that problem and we're only left with the crashing of backend when commflag job finishex

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jd86:

aha!

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jd86:

there it went

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jd86:

janneg, it just started a few more jobs

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jd86:

janneg, so I should open a ticket, with the ps aux (related items) and log?

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Jinx:

weird

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Jinx:

maybe thats why i'm not getting sound thru myth

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jd86:

Jinx, happen to be using alsa?

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Jinx:

yea

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Jinx:

but i have oss emulation package tho... not that i know how to use it

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Jinx:

google isn't any help

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jd86:

Jinx, try setting the output in myth to use alsa

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Jinx:

frontend actually uses ALSA for all i know...

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Jinx:

its backend thats giving me trouble

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Jinx:

when i hit "watch TV" in front, back's command line tells me it cant change the audio modes of /dev/null

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Jinx:

whenever i fill something in at mythtv-setup in the 'audio capture' it wont even save when i filled in

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nero:

how would I go about making a modline for my TV? The manual has timings in it: i.e.- 1360x768, Horiz: 47.712, Vert: 60.015, Pixel Clock Freq: 85.800, Sync Polarity: +/+

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jimbalaya:

This might not be useful to anyone, however, I have begun contributing to the MythTV wiki ... specifically here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Debian_Etch

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jimbalaya:

After I get the bulk of the info that I think will be helpful in there, I may cut/paste my additions into separate wiki articles ...... it might be more useful that way, since some of the stuff that I will add won't be needed solely by Etch users

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Jinx:

nice guide jimbalaya

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