Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, April 8th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

Just find a java IRC client and use Konq

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kormoc:

or they could use cgi::irc or jirc with mythbrowser...

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xris:

lol.. mythirc... so you can chat while you're trying to set up mythtv.

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SlicerDicer-:

LOL

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SlicerDicer-:

thats asking for pain xris

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xris:

hence the "lol"

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh hey xris

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SlicerDicer-:

Decided to get the 46inch dlp :) its only 50$ more

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SlicerDicer-:

than the 42

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Dagmar:

Let's go ahead and make a MythSharpknives plugin

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Dagmar:

...so that users can get online and just stab everyone in the eyes

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bill__k:

following the guide at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_Eft to install lirc on a clean install of kubuntu edgy (kde flavor) no output in term when I sudo depmod-a

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Dagmar:

bill__k: So use depmod -av if you want console spam

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bill__k:

aaah got it

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bill__k:

uh oh, more trouble... "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted."

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bill__k:

http://pastebin.ca/429022

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Dagmar:

So go use the HOWTO on Ubuntu's site

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Dagmar:

They've been saying they updated it to fix all that sort of stuff

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bill__k:

Dagmar: ok, maybe the one on the myth wiki should advise then

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you're unaware that a wiki means anyone can edit it

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bill__k:

well, I don't have a login. but OK

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bill__k:

i will make one, thanks

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bill__k:

Dagmar: do I need to remove anything first?

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Dagmar:

huh?

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bill__k:

lirc conf files or anything

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bill__k:

before I try the ubuntu guide to set up lirc

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Dagmar:

Oh... nope.

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bill__k:

ok.

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scant:

sid3windr: i think i got the LCDproc heartbeat gone

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BSD_Tech:

just get mythdora and be done with it

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xyz334:

damn

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xyz334:

i should've gotten mythdora

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xyz334:

does that come with nvidia drivers?

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xyz334:

yep installing mythtv is a pain in the ass... but once you do its great

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bill_k:

I have restarted, and typed dmesg, but don't know what to look for.

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bill_k:

what should I look for in the output of dmesg ie dmesg | grep -i ???

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xris:

runlevel_: what kind of card?

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xris:

er, tuner card

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nero:

Is anyone here using MythTV + firewire + Verizon FIOS TV?

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runlevel_:

xris, pcHDTV 5500

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xris:

runlevel_: you get sound out of the recordings when you play them with mplayer/xine/whatever?

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xris:

nero: didn't know they did firewire

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runlevel_:

xris, no

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xris:

runlevel_: what about from another machine?

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nero:

xris, I am getting conflicting reports that they do.. :/ I have the opportunity to switch, but this whole HD mess is kindof turning me off.

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nero:

(i.e.- "the man" wont let us just do with our TV signal what we want ;) )

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xris:

nero: that'd be becuase it's not your tv signal. :)

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xris:

runlevel_: if you don't have the oss wrappers installed, maybe

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runlevel_:

hmm

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runlevel_:

lemme check that actually

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nero:

xris- ok, let me rephrase that- I cant do with the content I am paying $50+/month what I want (i.e.- watch it with MythTV)

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xris:

nero: again, you're paying to receive the signal, not record it.

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juski:

libgtk2.0-dev

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juski:

doh

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gardengnome:

xris: hey, don't advocate it – you might begin to believe it.

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nero:

shrug.. its just frustrating thats all. And all of the info about what can or can not be done is so fragmented, its a bit of a pain to figure it all out.

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xris:

nero: anyway, I'm just playing devil's advocate. *if* verizon fios supports HD (I've heard from people here that it doesn't), I doubt they give you anything but the broadcast channels (which is all they're required to give)

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runlevel_:

xris, ya i have that stuff installed

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nero:

From what I was reading, the standard package comes with your locals in HD, as well as Discovery HD, ESPN HD and a few others.

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xris:

runlevel_: then something else is messed up if things aren't finding the oss devices.

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nero:

they have 18 HD channels (other than locals)- some, like HBO HD, Showtime HD are premium, but it appears the rest come with the standard package.

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xris:

nero: yes, but the fcc law (which afaik only applies to cable providers) says they only have to give you SD (480p) versions of channels you can normally receive over the air.

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xris:

they're more than welcome to encrypt the rest.

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nero:

only SD over firewire? or only SD in general?

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BlackAura:

Hi, so I currently have a working Gentoo box running MythTV with MythVideo....however I'm not sure if I really like the combination. My problem is that I have Satellite, and a PVR, and I'm mainly using this HTPC to watch Anime that I've downloaded off the internet. Hence my main use is MythVideo, however I don't like the fact I have to rescan the folder everytime I want to show the new videos...also the ability to access anidb, or

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xris:

gardengnome: beats me. my tv doesn't do it.

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xris:

nero: only the HD channels you can receive OTA.

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xris:

nero: and only at a minimum of 480p.. although the hardware to downsize is too much, so they just give you the full 1080i/720p stream

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nero:

via firewire? or in general on the STB?

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xris:

if you're lucky, you get a tv provider who gives you access to the other cable channels, too.

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xris:

nero: firewire

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nero:

ahhh. ok

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nero:

(seeing as my other option is no HD at all, since I cant get the DirecTV HD sats, as I have a tree in the way)

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xris:

nero: fios would be no better/worse than satellite.

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xris:

only way to get real HD into myth is via cable's firewire, or over the air.

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nero:

xris- I cant get HD content via sat at all.

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xris:

nero: "even if you could"

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nero:

(the HD sats for DirecTV fly further south, and I have a neighbor's tree right in the way)

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nero:

Yup.. that I realize..

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xris:

that's why I switched to cable

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nero:

But now it comes down to- continue to use DirecTV, with MythTV and ONLY SD content, or move away from MythTV for my TV viewing, and go FIOS and get HD content.

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sphery:

runlevel_: do you have AC-3 decoding support installed? (faad2)

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nero:

our cable company here is about the worst on the east coast. Just to get any HD content you need to buy a $90/mo full package.

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runlevel_:

sphery, not sure.. what is that?

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sphery:

runlevel_: Also, if you set up AC-3 passthrough, you're likely to get no sound with some digital channels.

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xris:

nero: lame. might offer a competitive switch from dtv, though. that's how I got my $50/month plan from comcast.

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nero:

and that is ONLY for our town (which happens to be a very wealthy town)- 2 towns over you can get HD content in a $40/mo package from the same cable co.

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nero:

I've tried- they didn't want anything to do with it.

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sigger_:

nero, what cable co?

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runlevel_:

sphery, i just have a integrated sound card with alsa..

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nero:

sigger, Patriot Media.

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nero:

They claim it was so expensive to set up the infrastructure in our town, that they have to charge higher rates..

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sigger_:

IIRC, they just got agreed to be bought.

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sphery:

runlevel_: First, check the value of "Enable AC3 to SPDIF passthrough" in Audio settings (which is like page 2 of main general settings)

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sphery:

Should be unchecked

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runlevel_:

sphery, that is unchecked

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nero:

sigger, really? By who?

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** sigger_ googles **

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nero:

ahhh.. looks like comcast.

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sigger_:

nero comcast

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nero:

I dont know if that is good or bad.. ;)

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xris:

nero: not that it'll mean much. comcast is a franchise, so results are still regional

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sigger_:

ultimately its never good.

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nero:

Hopefully FIOS will offer the kind of competition that can help the consumer.

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sigger_:

people buy companies because they see opps for upsell, or price hikes. _Occaisionally_ its synergies

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sigger_:

synergies have been shown to rarely work tho

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nero:

which sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

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runlevel_:

sphery, yes

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sigger_:

nero, yes. it in your area? not mine

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sigger_:

you're near Phila. I'm between you and NYC.

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nero:

sigger, definitely good in my area..

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nero:

sigger, better deals out that way?

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sigger_:

nope

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nero:

oh, you mean is FIOS in my area?

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sphery:

runlevel_: Do you have any sound daemons running (i.e. ESD or aRTS or ...)

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nero:

yeah.. they just spent the last 6 months running all the fiber. Just got a thing in the mail yesterday saying I could get it.

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sigger_:

nero, no I was asking if its in your area.

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sigger_:

hit that fat pipe

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sigger_:

oh that sounds bongy

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runlevel_:

sphery, i have alsa..?

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nero:

if what is in my area? (sorry, I'm losin it tonight)

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sigger_:

FIOS. and you've already answered yes

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nero:

ahhh.. yup.

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sphery:

runlevel_: Right. However, a sound daemon is a program that "manages" access to sound devices. ALSA is a sound API and sound drivers (which actually access sound hardware).

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sigger_:

you in NJ side or PA side?

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nero:

sigger, Princeton NJ

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sphery:

runlevel_: So, you could still have ESD or aRTS or something running and it will "manage" to stop Myth from outputting sound.

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sigger_:

pfft. you're around the corner.

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runlevel_:

sphery, i dotn think have have arts or esd running

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sigger_:

how come I can't get the darned thing

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nero:

(though I am not a "Princeton person".. I am a post doc at the univ... aka- an indentured servant ;) )

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nero:

sigger, where are you at?

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sphery:

runlevel_: Are you using GNOME or KDE? If so, you almost definitely have a sound daemon running unless you explicitly turned it off.

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sigger_:

Somerset County. Near Route 22.

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runlevel_:

sphery, gnome

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sphery:

GNOME means you probably have ESD.

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nero:

My brother lives up that way..

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sigger_:

hehe

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nero:

(Bridgewater area)

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sigger_:

Bridgewater is next town over.

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sigger_:

In fact, about 400 yards from where I sit

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nero:

hehe.

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runlevel_:

sphery, ok do i want esd on or off?

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nero:

He is actually in Martinsville

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sphery:

runlevel_: off

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nero:

(which I guess is a part of bridgewater technically)

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sigger_:

Damn funny. I'm in Warren

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runlevel_:

sphery, its off :( and it still doesnt work.

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runlevel_:

sphery, i can hear a pop like my sound is comming on but nothing is being recieved or somthing but xmms works fine.

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sphery:

runlevel_: Did you restart mythfrontend

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nero:

I thought I read Bridgewater/Warren was an area that Verizon was running fiber for FIOS.

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runlevel_:

sphery, ya

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sigger_:

yep, but no service yet

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nero:

ahh.. gotcha..

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iluciv111:

Hi the default password for the mythtv user is mythtv isn't it?

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gardengnome:

iluciv111: mysql? ubuntu?

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nero:

Like I said- it was maybe 6–8 months ago that they started running it around here.. haven't seen them running any fiber for probably the last 3–4 months, and just now they said I can get it.

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nero:

so it takes a while.

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sigger_:

iluciv111, in my knoppmyth, yes

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iluciv111:

gardengnome: now from login screen?

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gardengnome:

iluciv111: never mind.

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iluciv111:

sigger_: no this is from a fresh debian etch install

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sphery:

runlevel_: can you start playback with the following command and paste the results in http://pastebin.ca/ -> mplayer -vo xv -ao alsa,oss > mplayer.log 2>&1

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kormoc:

in8, did you follow the instructions in the docs for setting up a remote frontend?

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in8:

when I try run mythtv-setup I still cannot connect

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in8:

well I'm going from memory from the other system

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sphery:

in8: And, are you running the exact same revision on the combined backend/frontend?

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kormoc:

there's specific instructions for remote frontends/backends in the docs

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kormoc:

namely allowing mysql access to remote machines

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runlevel_:

sphery, ok one sec

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sphery:

in8: Otherwise, once you get it to connect, you'll mess up your DB.

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in8:

I've setup the db to allow remote

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in8:

I already have 1 remote system

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iluciv111:

basically I've just done a net install of debain add the repos for mythtv downloaded and installed it now its created the mythtv user but it would allow me to log in at the login screen as mythtv? I've not set any passwords so...

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in8:

the revisions are slightly diff

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sphery:

in8: Likely a problem.

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in8:

same protocol though

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kormoc:

in8, what do you mean by won't connect then?

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sphery:

in8: what about DB schema version?

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runlevel_:

sphery, http://pastebin.ca/429118

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sphery:

in8: running different revs (no matter how close) is not supported....

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kormoc:

protocol is db schema, no?

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sphery:

runlevel_: thx

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in8:

ok I'll recompile all 3 systems and try again

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in8:

I get "cannot connect to database"

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sphery:

runlevel_: hmmm. had a problem with the command. Forgot to tell you to put in the filename... mplayer -vo xv -ao alsa,oss > mplayer.log 2>&1

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sphery:

oops

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sphery:

bad paste

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kormoc:

and if you run the mysql command line, can you connect?

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in8:

I'll try

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sphery:

mplayer -vo xv -ao alsa,oss /path/to/file.mpg > mplayer.log 2>&1

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in8:

how can I connect to remote db from command line (sorry no expert in mysql)

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in8:

mysql ???.???.???.???

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kormoc:

mysql -h host -u user -p mythconverg

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kormoc:

it will prompt you for the password

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in8:

ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server during query

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kormoc:

something is wonky

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in8:

both systems are set to accept all

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in8:

iptables clear

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runlevel_:

sphery, http://pastebin.ca/429123

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in8:

I''ll look up the error (at least its a starting point)

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runlevel_:

sphery, lmfao sorry man lemme redo that lol

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sphery:

heh

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runlevel_:

sphery, i dont have any mpg's will an avi work?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: you here?

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xris:

yup

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: in the SVN ./configure mythweb is not listed?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: never has bee

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xris:

been

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SlicerDicer-:

ohh

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runlevel_:

sphery, http://pastebin.ca/429128

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xris:

cp is your friend. or rsync (since you can ignore revision control files)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: web apps don't have standard install locations... easier to just let users copy things into place

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sphery:

runlevel_: any of the pcHDTV-recorded files are MPEG's

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runlevel_:

sphery, uh

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runlevel_:

sphery, lemme ses

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runlevel_:

see

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: new INSTALL file in svn has lots of good details

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runlevel_:

sphery, no, just *.nuv's

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sphery:

runlevel_: and, did you get sound with that? If so, once you try the MPEG with "-ao alsa,oss", please try it also with "-ao oss,alsa"

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runlevel_:

sphery, i did have sound yes.

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sphery:

runlevel_: what does "file /path/to/file.nuv" (with a real filename ;) give?

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runlevel_:

1021_20070407164352.nuv: data

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sphery:

runlevel_: Are you using MythTV 0.18.x?

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runlevel_:

nope

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I was just being a dweeb :)

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sphery:

runlevel_: If you did transcode it, try playing it back in mythfrontend and hitting the '+' key.

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SlicerDicer-:

I forgot is that a good excuse :)

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** SlicerDicer- backpeddles for being sir pebkac again **

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runlevel_:

sphery, uh.. that didnt do anything

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sphery:

Did you transcode the file?

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sphery:

Or do you have auto-transcode enabled?

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runlevel_:

sphery, not sure.. its just a snippet of live tv that i had going

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runlevel_:

i have whatever the default install sets

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sphery:

Are you recording this from the analog input on your pcHDTV?

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runlevel_:

sphery, i just have Coax going to be pchdtv card thats it.

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sphery:

But is it an analog or a digital channel?

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runlevel_:

sphery, i have cox digital cable but im not using my box in this room , just coax from the wall.. so i think its just analog

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sphery:

runlevel_: My recommendation is to head over to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards and set things up.

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sphery:

runlevel_: Before doing so, shut down mythfrontend and mythbackend and run mythtv-setup and use the 'Delete All' buttons to delete all video sources and then all capture cards. Make sure you use 'Delete All' and don't use the 'Delete all capture cards on this host' button.

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sphery:

Then, configure your capture cards, video sources, input connections and channels as described on the wiki.

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: niceness

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SlicerDicer-:

ok kick ass :)

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sphery:

runlevel_: See, also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Channel_Editor for configuring channels (and the link to "XMLTV ID" in Step 3).

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fryfrog:

damn, the 4400 is good

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iluciv111:

lol I'm a noob

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iluciv111:

sorry I didn't realise I had to set the password myself

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enigma137:

Hi. I am trying to spec out a Myth TV system. Can anyone recommend a good remote control for use with a Linux system? Must I install an IR receiver card?

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

does ivtv 10.1 noowsupprt CC for pvr150s?

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kormoc:

read the ivtv changelogs

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kormoc:

if anyone would know, they would

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EnterUserName:

trttrying to finid t.hhe

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EnterUserName:

oh if anyone cares i figured why dvdauthor was having problems i didnt compile getoo with png support

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EnterUserName:

:(

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kormoc:

trttrying to finid t.hhe?

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mogorman:

hi

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EnterUserName:

umm bad typign :)

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mogorman:

is their an alternative for users in america for zap2it as they are sucking

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kormoc:

mogorman, nope

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mogorman:

half of the shows i tape this week got screwed up, and its really annoying as zap2it's website is correct and disagrees with data i pulled

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mogorman:

there are no screen grabber scripts that convert some site like zap2it labs for myth?

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clever:

i found a posible bug in mythtv

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clever:

autoexpire wont delete files being commflagged

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clever:

i found a posible bug in mythtv

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clever:

autoexpire wont delete files being commflagged

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clever:

testing 123

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enigma137:

If I may ask an elementary question: what remote control do you recommend. I want to use the HD-5500, but it does not come with a remote. Thanks in advance.

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clever[rev]:

found a posible bug in mythtv

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clever[rev]:

autoexpire doesnt seem to touch things being commflagged

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kormoc:

enigma137, I like the mceusb ones personally

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kormoc:

clever[rev], you might have better luck posting a ticket rather then spamming the -users channel

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clever[rev]:

wasnt trying to spal

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clever[rev]:

spam*

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clever[rev]:

i thought my msg was being lost in the disconnect so i repeated it

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clever[rev]:

then i just gaveup and bypassed what was causing the disconnects

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** clever[rev] points at the still crashing clone **

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EnterUserName:

too cool

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EnterUserName:

CC is enabled on my mythtv box ha ha :)

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clever[rev]:

that took me a short while

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clever[rev]:

just had to tweak a setting

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clever[rev]:

at first i thought there was a problem because of the tons of vbi errors

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clever[rev]:

but i think those errors are from the comercials damaging the cc data stream

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clever[rev]:

when they switch in and out

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clever[rev]:

2007-04–07 21:00:11.220 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Reading VBI data

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clever[rev]:

eno: Input/output error (5)

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enigma137:

Thank you. kormoc. A follow up question if I may: do the Media Center Remotes come with IR receivers?

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kormoc:

enigma137, as far as I know, yes

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enigma137:

Thank you very kindly.

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kormoc:

enigma137, they also double as a ir blaster if need be too

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kormoc:

you're quite welcome

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enigma137:

Kormoc — you got the Microsoft Media Center Infrared Remote Control to work with Myth TV? My hat's off to you.

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EnterUserName:

is there a way to change the font sie for close captions?

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kormoc:

enigma137, it uses the lirc_mceusb2 driver :)

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enigma137:

How about that? Thank you so much.

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EnterUserName:

is anyone running gentoo here

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EnterUserName:

with ivtv 10.1

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EnterUserName:

i by accidently updated my driver just now :)

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EnterUserName:

and i know there was some interesting changes in it like firmware

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EnterUserName:

wanna know how automatic the package install is

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kormoc:

tends to work out of the box

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EnterUserName:

ok ill find out when i reboot next but im happy abouttt ha

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EnterUserName:

i cant wait till next season of doctor who

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EnterUserName:

i could not understand him sometimes.. so now i have cc

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EnterUserName:

heh

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EnterUserName:

how do i change the colour of the text in mythtv anyway? or size of the cc captions

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... After running binary installs for a little more than a year, I've decided to try the SVN trunk on my new box, but the compile dies on taskqueue.cpp 'cerr' was not declared in this scope... I'm a complete n00b once again!!!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

The only references I've found in the gossamer threads seem to be commits, nothing specific... (Now googling more...)

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GreyFoxx:

svn up again

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok – I pulled it just about an hour ago... I'll give it a shot...

[03:50:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ah yes... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Thanks. Looking better! ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A takes a nap while compiling Myth... Slow even on an Athlon 4600 X2 !!! **

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schwin:

slow? it takes 9 minutes on my dual xeon 2.8

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schwin:

here comes the old fart...

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schwin:

i used to spend hours compiling my 2.0.xx kernels heh

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schwin:

you kids have it easy these days :)

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schwin:

(and the source was like 7meg back then heh)

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schwin:

well at least they have an idea of the problem and an estimated timetable heh

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Captain_Murdoch:

you can't be that old if all you remember is 2.0.x. I remember 0.9x on my 386SX.

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Captain_Murdoch:

and read the "all's well with datadirect again" thread for an update to that.

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schwin:

i didnt start playing with linux until 96

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schwin:

before that was hpux

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schwin:

and we do not run linux kernels on risc ;p

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J-e-f-f-A:

schwin: hehe... I'm not a kid... well, at heart, yes, and smarts too.. but I'm 38 ;-)

[04:26:18]

schwin:

captain_murdoch: alls well thread? that would be nice, is it on the zap2it forums or are you talking about -users or -dev?

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** J-e-f-f-A Humm... another error, this time libmythlivemedia ... **

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Captain_Murdoch:

-users

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schwin:

i shouldnt have switched -users to digest

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schwin:

its a bitch to search them heh

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Captain_Murdoch:

searching is easy... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/

[04:28:35]

schwin:

sweet, i see yeechang's post. funny my masterbackend tried to update 10 minutes after he sent that email and failed

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schwin:

hehe

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schwin:

be nice if after this run its all magically fixed. been an annoying couple of weeks.

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schwin:

had 20 something dupe recordings scheduled this weekend alone

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, I had 3 copies of the same show recorded at the same exact time the other night.

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Captain_Murdoch:

3 different channels, 1 HD digital OTA, 1 SD digital OTA, 1 analog off cable.

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GreyFoxx:

It's funny, as far as I can tell it didn't affect me at all

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GreyFoxx:

and I receord 4–5 shows each weeknight

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Captain_Murdoch:

the ones I had affected were ones where it had a blank subtitle and generic description. I don't use the "new episodes" flag or whatever that is, I just use subtitle/description matching.

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schwin:

captain_murdoch: same here, its the 'generic' episodes that have screwed me up.. have so many recording schedules that i depend on the dupe detection of unique episode id/description/etc... so when pretty much everything went to generic it was a freaking disaster

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schwin:

well, mythfilldatabase completed, still have a lot of shows with generic info

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schwin:

;/

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Captain_Murdoch:

still, I'd rather have it record and extra what it thinks is generic episode than have it miss it. :)

[04:34:01]

schwin:

same here :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

s/and/an/

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Captain_Murdoch:

anyway... email has been checked, time for bed...'

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schwin:

and i only have 4 tuners, so the added bonus is more tuners in use and running out of availables heh

[04:38:32]

schwin:

its fun trying to explain to the wife why the tv is doing this too lol

[04:38:42]

schwin:

"ok.. but just fix it"

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schwin:

dear... its not me.. lol

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schwin:

*sMaCk*

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xzcvczx:

is there any easy way to add large quantities of cover images to a folder of files?

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kormoc:

cover images for?

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xzcvczx:

mythvideo cover images

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kormoc:

and how are your files tied to the video? by title? imdb number?

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xzcvczx:

ummm well i could do it by title

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kormoc:

or don't you have them yet?

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xzcvczx:

cant be by imdb as they are episodes

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xzcvczx:

yeah i do

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kormoc:

are you wanting to set one file for many videos?

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xzcvczx:

i just would rather renmae all the files then manually set them on all

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xzcvczx:

no one file per video

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xzcvczx:

i got episode images off wikipedia

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kormoc:

heh, well you can script it easily enough, if there's a way for the computer to tell how they are tied together

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xzcvczx:

well it stores it in database i assume?

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kormoc:

it stores a path in the database yes

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xzcvczx:

as even a db command would be fine anything but doing it in the front

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kormoc:

and there's a video artwork dir defined in the DB as well

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xzcvczx:

well am i able to add a secondary video artwork folder

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xzcvczx:

as either one of those will make me happy to do it myself

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kormoc:

UPDATE videometadata SET coverfile='/path/to/file.jpg' WHERE title = 'blah';

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xzcvczx:

its just these are named by letters and all my imdb ones take AGES to scroll through

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briand:

excellent! mythfilldatabase just ran (normally scheduled, not forced), and I now have a sudden dearth of 'generic' recordings. Instead of recording 18 things tomorrow, my mythtv box will record 5. :)

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kormoc:

it would be best to put them in the master artwork dir

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xzcvczx:

is there not provision for more than one as if you go to add the cover pic in the frontend it seems like it is able to take it from more than just the artwork dir

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kormoc:

SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'VideoArtworkDir';

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Tanthrix_AFK:

Fuck. Best Buy. Forever.

[05:26:52]

Tanthrix_AFK:

(That is all.)

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kormoc:

that will tell you where the artwork dir is

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xzcvczx:

kormoc: yeah i know where the artwork dir is

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xzcvczx:

hmmmm

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kormoc:

xzcvczx, sure, but in the future, that might change, as the backend might be managing all the artwork

[05:27:19]

kormoc:

briand, nifty

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xzcvczx:

ahhh i see

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xzcvczx:

i really have to learn SQL (attempted last year)

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briand:

kormoc: indeed. :)

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briand:

xzcvczx: remember this much, while you're learning — never hit <enter> until after you've checked & double-checked your "where clause" ...especially when updating or deleting. :)

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kormoc:

and make backups *often* :P

[05:28:58]

briand:

...and turning OFF "auto-commit" might not be a bad thing, either. :)

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kormoc:

meh, myth doesn't use inno, so no commits anyway :P

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briand:

kormoc: i wasn't thinking in terms of myth, per se... just generic playing around with SQL queries

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xzcvczx:

*noob question* how do i backup the db?

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kormoc:

mysqldump is the way I recommend,

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kormoc:

or you can just shutdown mysql (that step is very important), and copy /var/lib/mysql somewhere else and then restart mysql

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kormoc:

I perfer mysqldump as you can do it while the db is running

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xzcvczx:

where is the mythtv mysql config file i cant remember user/passwrod

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kormoc:

typically ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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kormoc:

or you can likely just do locate mysql.txt and see

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xzcvczx:

crap i am getting access denied using mythtv and password in mysql.tct

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xzcvczx:

txt

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bill__k:

installing lirc, output of dmesg | tail "[17181514.308000] lirc_i2c: no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted" anyone seen this before/ know what it means?

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kormoc:

bill__k, it means the kernel doesn't know if it's GPL or not and thus is telling you that you won't get any support from the kernel team if something breaks

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kormoc:

xzcvczx, try adding in a -h localhost

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bill__k:

kormoc, following the guide @ http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_Eft, the output does not match what the wiki guide says. You think this can be ignored?

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kormoc:

yes

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kormoc:

http://www.tux.org/lkml/#s1-18

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bill__k:

mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 => result of command is "mode2: No such file or directory"

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kormoc:

then you're missing the mode2 binary or it's not in your path

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bill__k:

oops, I did miss the part about needing myth installed

[05:50:52]

bill__k:

will that fix it?

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kormoc:

mode2 is part of lirc, not myth

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bill__k:

why wasn't it installed with my "sudo apt-get install ncurses-dev lirc"

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kormoc:

donno

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bill__k:

hmm

[05:52:28]

bill__k:

lirc is already the newest version. :-o ?

[05:52:39]

bill__k:

i'll do a remove --purge i guess and try again

[05:54:06]

bill__k:

mode2: No such file or directory

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bill__k:

kde wouldn't be doing anything, would it?

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kormoc:

no

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Tanthrix:

bill__k: You're not missing mode2, you're missing /dev/lirc0

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, actually his first error message was missing mode2

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bill__k:

Tanthrix, how? this is my third clean install of kubuntu today (memtested comp, mediachecked disc)

[05:55:41]

bill__k:

following instructions step, by step

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kormoc:

bill__k, so? you can still be missing that device node if the correct driver wasn't loaded

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bill__k:

oh

[05:56:12]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: I don't think so – bash reports "command not found" when running a non-existent command. The no such file or directory is the exact error mode2 gives when you've specified a wrong path.

[05:56:26]

bill__k:

it's a pvr-150

[05:56:29]

Tanthrix:

at least it does on my system

[05:56:33]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, huh, fair nuff

[05:56:49]

Tanthrix:

Semantics! Who needs em? ;-)

[05:57:47]

bill__k:

would it help to show you pastebins of anything?

[05:58:12]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: kormoc is right – the /dev/lirc0 is what lirc creates when lirc properly interfaces with your ir reciever, so lirc being installed and lirc actually setup properly are two different things

[05:58:31]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: I've never setup lirc with a pvr150, only a serial port reciever, so I don't think I can be much help unfortunately

[05:58:59]

bill__k:

Tanthrix, ok, anywhere you can point me, or should I just stop back later and look for someone else?

[05:59:35]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: Run "ps aux | grep lircd" and see if lircd iis actually running first off

[06:00:01]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, mode2 doesn't require lircd to be running, nor does the device node require it

[06:00:02]

bill__k:

bill 27992 0.0 0.0 2800 748 pts/1 R+ 19:55 0:00 grep lircd

[06:00:13]

kormoc:

I thought?

[06:00:18]

kormoc:

I'm no lirc expert tho

[06:00:44]

Tanthrix:

neither am I, that's fur sure

[06:00:58]

Tanthrix:

but I thought lirc essentially "made" /dev/lirc0 so when it's not running it's not there anymore

[06:01:22]

kormoc:

the lirc kernel modules do, I believe

[06:01:38]

briand:

I'm finally getting around to setting up my HDHR on my myth box (a combined BE/FE)... do I need to reconfigure things as if I had a remote server (ie: set to actual IP addr instead of loopback address?)

[06:02:02]

briand:

I ask, because when I chose to "scan for channels" I got a seg fault in mythtv-setup...

[06:02:37]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: lircd is not running, so I think that's why you're having problems. open up another terminal and run lircd – see if it stays running then with the other terminal or if it dies

[06:02:42]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: It it says running then try mode2

[06:03:01]

bill__k:

kormoc, Tanthrix i think my make output looked a bit weird, can I pastebin that to you?

[06:03:18]

bill__k:

Tanthrix, ok

[06:03:30]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: And by kill lircd I meant "service lircd stop" so it's possible you're right and mandriva is doing things in the script that it normally wouldn't

[06:03:40]

kormoc:

huh, fair 'nuff

[06:03:44]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: Pastebin anything you like, I'll take a look

[06:04:07]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: I've gotten countless hours of help from here so I feel like I gotta give back some how ;)

[06:05:06]

bill__k:

Tanthrix, thanks :) I'll be back for countless more I'm sure

[06:05:09]

bill__k:

http://pastebin.ca/429401

[06:05:18]

bill__k:

lots of WARNING:....

[06:05:37]

Tanthrix:

That's normal.

[06:06:06]

Tanthrix:

I swear, I've seen stuff like "Major problems will robinson, we're all gonna die!" when compiling something and then it compiles and works fine.

[06:06:19]

bill__k:

lol

[06:06:38]

bill__k:

bill@linuxdvr:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/lirc start ----Starting lirc daemon: lircd lircmd.

[06:06:54]

bill__k:

now what?

[06:07:24]

bill__k:

still no mode2 thingy

[06:07:59]

bill__k:

i have a man page for mode2

[06:08:47]

bill__k:

bu no lirc* folder in /dev/

[06:09:30]

Tanthrix:

And you're sure lircd is staying alive?

[06:09:44]

Tanthrix:

If it's not setup properly it will just die right after starting.

[06:09:50]

Tanthrix:

Run the "ps aux | grep lircd" again

[06:10:22]

Tanthrix:

You will see "lircd" in addition to "grep lircd" if it's running.

[06:10:59]

bill__k:

just one line again

[06:11:05]

bill__k:

it's dying :(

[06:11:06]

Tanthrix:

then it's not running

[06:11:12]

Tanthrix:

Try "lircd -n" to start it

[06:11:14]

kormoc:

so something is erroring out or what not

[06:11:26]

Tanthrix:

That will make it run as normal application instead of a daemon and it might give you a useful error

[06:11:35]

bill__k:

need a sudo

[06:11:53]

Tanthrix:

hrm?

[06:12:06]

bill__k:

lircd: could not open config file '/etc/lircd.conf'

[06:12:06]

bill__k:

lircd: No such file or directory

[06:12:06]

bill__k:

lircd: lircd(hauppauge) ready

[06:12:13]

bill__k:

had to sudo ....

[06:12:24]

Tanthrix:

So you're missing your /etc/lircd.conf file then

[06:13:12]

bill__k:

oh

[06:13:35]

bill__k:

i gotta go to sleep

[06:13:41]

bill__k:

well, thanks for your help

[06:13:50]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: Hrm.

[06:13:54]

bill__k:

and I'll probably be back tomorrow

[06:13:57]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: I don't think that is your problem after all.

[06:14:21]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: I just removed my conf file and it still started – which makes sense because that file is just a remote file

[06:14:30]

bill__k:

yes

[06:14:37]

Tanthrix:

Wait, it said ready after that

[06:14:39]

Tanthrix:

didn't read that

[06:14:42]

Tanthrix:

so it should be running then

[06:14:46]

bill__k:

it should start without it, all the instructions at least have a test going before..

[06:14:49]

Tanthrix:

try mode2 in a different terminal

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bill__k:

bill@linuxdvr:~$ mode2

[06:15:14]

bill__k:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc

[06:15:14]

bill__k:

mode2: Permission denied

[06:15:20]

Tanthrix:

Ok, that's better.

[06:15:22]

bill__k:

always have to sudo... is that nromal?

[06:15:29]

Tanthrix:

It's there now, your're just having permission problems

[06:15:46]

bill__k:

well, there is no lirc in the /dev folder

[06:16:04]

Tanthrix:

you sure about that?

[06:16:10]

bill__k:

oops i lied

[06:16:11]

bill__k:

yeah

[06:16:22]

Tanthrix:

And sudo is normal I think – when I'm a normal user I can't access my /dev/lirc

[06:16:25]

solv:

i'm having trouble recording livetv. I can watch it fine, and see previous episodes that I've watched, but if i actually select a program to record it doesn't appear in my recordings listy

[06:17:00]

Tanthrix:

So try sudo-ing mode2 and see if it works

[06:17:46]

bill__k:

bill@linuxdvr:/dev$ sudo mode2

[06:17:46]

bill__k:

mode2: error opening /dev/lirc

[06:17:46]

bill__k:

mode2: No such device

[06:17:46]

bill__k:

bill@linuxdvr:/dev$

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solv:

i have checked to make sure it is defintely recording, the tuner status says recording and also I can't watch livetv because the tuner is in use...so that's all good...but i can't figure out why it doesn't come up in the watch recordings list

[06:18:37]

kormoc:

solv, try changing the filter, the keys.txt tells you the key to press to get to the filter menu

[06:18:39]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: That's weird. Did lircd die?

[06:18:56]

solv:

kormoc, okay will do...

[06:19:13]

briand:

I'm finally getting around to setting up my HDHR on my myth box (a combined BE/FE)... do I need to reconfigure things as if I had a remote server (ie: set to actual IP addr instead of loopback address?)

[06:19:39]

kormoc:

briand, try and see?

[06:20:08]

bill__k:

is this what you get? bill@linuxdvr:/dev$ ls -alAg | grep -i lirc

[06:20:08]

bill__k:

crw-rw---- 1 root 61, 0 2007-04–08 19:22 lirc

[06:20:08]

bill__k:

srw-rw-rw- 1 root 0 2007-04–08 20:07 lircd

[06:20:08]

bill__k:

prw-rw-rw- 1 root 0 2007-04–08 19:22 lircm

[06:20:14]

bill__k:

if you're working in /dev/

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kormoc:

likely

[06:20:41]

** briand nods. **

[06:20:44]

briand:

okay, i'll try it.

[06:20:44]

solv:

kormoc, that was it! you champ...i didn't realise it was using the 'default' filter and that that was not being displayed

[06:20:49]

Tanthrix:

bill__k: Hrm. And you're sure you have a /dev/lirc and not a /dev/lirc0 instead?

[06:21:00]

bill__k:

no lirc0 in the folder

[06:21:19]

kormoc:

solv, you're welcome

[06:21:23]

solv:

i have /dev/lirc/0

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bill__k:

my lirc is not a directory

[06:22:26]

bill__k:

aaah gotta sleep

[06:22:28]

bill__k:

tomorrow

[06:22:28]

Tanthrix:

Well, something else funky seems to be going on then.

[06:22:29]

bill__k:

more

[06:22:29]

Tanthrix:

later

[06:22:33]

bill__k:

yes definitely

[06:22:36]

bill__k:

thanks again

[06:22:41]

Tanthrix:

np

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solv:

another question...is it possible to change the behaviour of mythtv menus so that i can use the multi-purpose arrows on my remote in an intuitive way...for instance, while watching tv i have the remote up and down change channels, and left and right change volume, but that means that in the menu's the left and right do nothing, and i have to bind different buttons

[06:23:52]

solv:

but if i make the menus work, then left and right skips forward and back in tv mode

[06:25:56]

Tanthrix:

solv: The solution? Get a better remote with more buttons ;)

[06:28:16]

solv:

okay...but most people have that cicular kind of setup on their remotes, it's just convenient that's all...but yeah i could just buy a better remote...this is an old one from a playstation remote add on

[06:30:37]

solv:

more questions..while i'm here =)...this problem has nothing to do with overscan/underscan (i'm pretty sure), but there is a small blue line at the bottom of the video display...now the blue line moves with the aspect ratio, so that's why i don't think it is overscan problem...I have used this tuner on a different pc and it wasn't there so I'm not sure exactly what it is...whether it might be a setting in myth i can change or not

[06:31:19]

kormoc:

looks into xvattrib (or similar) and use it to change the xv background to black

[06:32:46]

solv:

kormoc, yes it does look like the myth menu canvas is just showing through slightly

[06:33:10]

solv:

kormoc, is this a config flie i can find somewhere?

[06:33:22]

kormoc:

nah, it's just a program you need to run on bootup

[06:33:42]

solv:

cool...i'll look around for it

[06:34:04]

Tanthrix:

solv: Hehehe, I know. I was just joking – I don't mean to come off like an uber OSS "you're the problem, not the code!" freak

[06:34:37]

solv:

tis okay

[06:34:43]

solv:

lol

[06:34:56]

Tanthrix:

xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0

[06:35:07]

Tanthrix:

That's what you need to run to fix the problem, if I recall correctly

[06:35:22]

solv:

bloody hell that's a good recollection

[06:35:50]

Tanthrix:

solv: I googled it ;)

[06:36:02]

Tanthrix:

But I had the problem a while back and that's what I recall using

[06:36:06]

solv:

hehe....thought you musta had a photgraphic memory

[06:37:11]

solv:

wow...my recorded tv is much much smoother than my live tv....i've been trying everything to get it to work better, but to no avail

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solv:

even experimented with pci latencies

[06:38:10]

Tanthrix:

Did you make sure your DMA is enabled?

[06:38:25]

Tanthrix:

(I guess you would have, given you've moved on to dealing with PCI stuff)

[06:38:53]

solv:

Tanthrix, well actually i tried but my hdd is listed as being sata even though it is ide...not sure why

[06:39:04]

solv:

so it doesn't actually list what the DMA state is

[06:39:16]

Tanthrix:

Can't you still set it with hdparm?

[06:39:52]

solv:

well i don't wanna break it, and from the howto's it seems very unlikely that is isn't already set...i'll give you the output...hold on

[06:40:00]

kormoc:

solv, what do you mean by listed as sata when it's ide?

[06:41:32]

solv:

kormoc, is /dev/sda not /dev/hda

[06:41:51]

kormoc:

solv, that just means it uses the scsi subsystem, not that it's sata

[06:41:57]

solv:

ah

[06:42:00]

Tanthrix:

solv: Here's a good test – set something to record then go play a different recorded file while the recording is going. If it's not jittery then it's probably not a drive issue but maybe some kind of buffer problem or something.

[06:42:12]

Tanthrix:

But first make sure dma is enabled, that is very important.

[06:42:52]

kormoc:

depending on the controler, it might be filtered

[06:43:11]

solv:

with that command i just get a blank line followed by /dev/sda

[06:43:20]

kormoc:

solv, what controller are you using?

[06:43:31]

solv:

onboard...new foxonn motherboard

[06:43:47]

kormoc:

strange

[06:43:56]

Tanthrix:

solv: Weird. Try "hdparm -d 1 /dev/sda" (And you're sure what /dev/sda is your drive?)

[06:43:58]

kormoc:

what chipset?

[06:44:01]

solv:

if i just force it on, it sohuld be okay hey

[06:44:07]

solv:

via i thin

[06:44:09]

solv:

think

[06:44:33]

Tanthrix:

Running "df' shows you /dev/sda properly?

[06:44:33]

solv:

Tanthrix, it is according to my fstab

[06:44:41]

Tanthrix:

Ok

[06:44:47]

solv:

yup

[06:45:13]

Tanthrix:

And you're sure you're using IDE1 and not some kind of RAID controller built into the mobo?

[06:45:19]

solv:

setting using_dma to 1 (on)

[06:45:20]

solv:

HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

[06:45:33]

Tanthrix:

(If you have 4 IDE plugs that's a clue that you might have a raid controller built in)

[06:45:42]

solv:

hmmm....i think i need to double check that...i put it together quite quickly

[06:46:18]

briand:

kormoc: apparently, that was the trick. probably need to update the documentation/wiki to reflect that...

[06:46:19]

solv:

that might be my issue....would bios tell me...or should i open up the case?

[06:46:41]

briand:

"scan for channels" is currently running...

[06:46:42]

Tanthrix:

Just pop open the case and see if you have 4 IDE spots, most reliable way to go.

[06:46:59]

Tanthrix:

Though you could also just look up your mobo.

[06:48:05]

solv:

true...well thanks...the xvattr trick worked as well...this has been a very productive irc session for me!...i will bbs

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Solv:

Tanthrix, kormoc you still about?

[07:01:58]

kormoc:

mornin'

[07:02:04]

Tanthrix:

Aye – just watching Doctor Who.

[07:02:33]

czth_:

new one?

[07:02:38]

Solv:

hehe...well i just opened the case and there are only 2 ide slots...and 2 sata, the chipset is SIS964, and it displays 3 ide spots in the bios

[07:03:14]

Tanthrix:

czth_: New series or new episode? I watched the most recent ep earlier today but I'm watching the 4th episode now.

[07:04:07]

Solv:

Subsystem: Foxconn International, Inc. Unknown device 0c56

[07:04:32]

Tanthrix:

I wonder if you're running some kind of RAID mode in your bios, or some kind of emulation.

[07:04:42]

czth_:

Tanthrix: new either

[07:04:57]

Solv:

well, the only thing i could find was an option to turn sata emulation to ide or raid

[07:05:01]

czth_:

i guess i can check my myth box, i have it set to record all Dr Who

[07:05:03]

Tanthrix:

Solv: What motherboard model do you have?

[07:05:37]

Tanthrix:

czth_: Season 3, episode 2 aired today (yesterday now) – pretty good actually. I like his new companion.

[07:05:47]

Solv:

mifoxconn fx

[07:05:55]

Solv:

sorry numlock off

[07:06:03]

Solv:

661fx7mi

[07:06:23]

Tanthrix:

Alright, let me look up your manual.

[07:06:28]

czth_:

sweet

[07:08:22]

Tanthrix:

Solv: In the mean time run that test I suggested.

[07:08:54]

Tanthrix:

Solv: (Start a recording then go watch a different recording and see if it's jittery)

[07:10:37]

Solv:

Tanthrix, ok

[07:14:07]

Tanthrix:

Well, the manual I looked up doesn't mention raid other than that your mobo has a raid version.

[07:14:39]

Solv:

hmm...well it seems to be on, as it is smooth as silk, watching a previously recorded show and recording at the same time

[07:14:57]

Tanthrix:

Well, that makes me think that it's not a drive issue

[07:14:58]

Solv:

but livetv is somewhat jerky

[07:15:26]

Tanthrix:

Since it's essentially doing the same thing – if the problem was the disk then writing to disk via the recording would be the same as livetv. Agree kormoc?

[07:15:33]

Solv:

just bad enough not to look 'right' or 'natural', but not bad enough to make give up!

[07:15:53]

Tanthrix:

So I'm inclined to think something else is going on.

[07:15:58]

Tanthrix:

What card are you using?

[07:16:08]

kormoc:

tank-man, in theory, it's actually worse, as it's dealing with two different sections of the drive

[07:16:09]

Solv:

that does make sense to me....btw i have checked my cpu and ram and they are all well under full capacity

[07:16:21]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, that was to you

[07:16:31]

Tanthrix:

yah, I figured, damn tab completion ;)

[07:16:35]

Solv:

it's a technisat...dvb with flexcop2 chip

[07:16:40]

tank-man:

made me look

[07:16:42]

tank-man:

damn you

[07:16:44]

Tanthrix:

lol

[07:16:46]

kormoc:

sorry :/

[07:16:49]

Solv:

rofl

[07:17:10]

tank-man:

:) its all good

[07:17:55]

Tanthrix:

Solv: I'm not familiar with dvb cards – do they just download a digital stream from the cable line?

[07:18:02]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, aye

[07:18:09]

tank-man:

image looks jerky like? maybe turn on de-interlace

[07:18:10]

Solv:

Tanthrix, ah no it is ota mpeg2

[07:18:23]

Tanthrix:

Well, same thing. Still digital

[07:18:29]

kormoc:

Solv, if you start live tv, and pause it for say, 5 seconds and then continue on, does it work fine?

[07:18:37]

Solv:

tank-man, no it's going into a crt tv, and i also already tried that

[07:18:38]

czth_:

Tanthrix: hm, i don't see any season 3 episodes :(.

[07:18:44]

czth_:

not on SciFi, anyway

[07:19:02]

Tanthrix:

czth_: Oh, it's not on the SciFi channel for a while. I downloaded mine via usenet

[07:19:04]

Solv:

kormoc, no, it is like a few frames dropped every second or something kinda jerky

[07:19:05]

kormoc:

czth_, just started in the UK I believe

[07:19:09]

czth_:

ahh

[07:19:17]

kormoc:

huh

[07:19:30]

Solv:

it is especially noticeable in watching sport, or watching a camera pan slowly over something

[07:19:37]

Tanthrix:

I was just going to suggest that, that myth might be playing too fast and running out of buffer every second or two

[07:19:50]

tank-man:

have you looked at the log?

[07:20:04]

Solv:

i woulda thought one could imncrease the buffer size...

[07:20:20]

Tanthrix:

Solv: And you're absolutely sure this isn't in your head? (No insult, but I know I've tracked down nonexistent video hiccups before) Is it very noticable and consistent, or ambigious?

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Solv:

tank-man, i don't have debug compiled in (gentoo), but i do get some feedback in the terminal

[07:20:57]

Solv:

Tanthrix, very noticeable...i can tell instantly the difference when i playback a recording...it's like night and day

[07:20:58]

tank-man:

so it says it is dropping frames?

[07:21:01]

Tanthrix:

Solv: You can start via "mythfrontend --verbose all > file.txt" and it will pump a shit load of info into that file for you to read after you've watched it for a while

[07:21:17]

Solv:

Tanthrix, okay..good idea...i'll be back

[07:21:33]

Tanthrix:

Just watch for a minute or two to get some data in there.

[07:21:48]

Tanthrix:

czth_: isohunt.com – grab the torrent. Season 3 is great so far!

[07:22:02]

czth_:

i'll take a look

[07:22:14]

Tanthrix:

I never wait for shows to be broadcast here at home

[07:22:33]

Tanthrix:

I'd still be waiting for Stargate (good riddens!) to finish if I did that

[07:22:52]

kormoc:

now now now, no torrent talk in here

[07:23:09]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[07:23:29]

Tanthrix:

Hey, it's not piracy if it's recordings of live TV! (possibly debatable)

[07:23:29]

czth_:

seems sci-fi will be airing season 3 in summer

[07:23:52]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, doesn't matter. channel policy is no torrent talk period

[07:23:55]

Tanthrix:

Just like making a taped copy of a show without commercials then sharing it with my thousand closest friends ;)

[07:24:06]

Tanthrix:

Oh, ok. Didn't know that – sorry.

[07:24:19]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, it's covered in the channel faq, from the topic

[07:24:35]

kormoc:

tank-man, it includes that, sure

[07:24:50]

tank-man:

dont blame the protocol :)

[07:26:00]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: There's a channel faq? ;)

[07:26:38]

tank-man:

yea it says in the topic

[07:26:41]

tank-man:

lol

[07:27:10]

Tanthrix:

I know, I was joking about how most people (including myself) tend to ignore well displayed signs

[07:28:01]

Tanthrix:

I suppose it's good for myth to be considered about image and such, since the last thing we need is to be associated with piracy and such.

[07:28:51]

Tanthrix:

Though I'm not sure I like the idea of channel rules on what's permissable to say – seems like it can create even more liability. (Like Google not censoring anything or usenet so that they are not responsible for the actions of others)

[07:30:13]

Solv:

and that happens quite a lot

[07:30:58]

Tanthrix:

Solv: Have you tried marking use aggressive audio buffering on the playback page? (Not the general sound card stuff)

[07:31:23]

Solv:

Tanthrix, nope....i also get a few of these: 2007-04–08 16:54:35.289 NVP: A/V Divergence: -5.4378, Rate: 0.979275, Warpfactor: 0.995049, warpfactor_avg: 1.00001

[07:31:23]

Solv:

2007-04–08 16:54:35.289 NVP: Video is 5.4378 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up.

[07:31:54]

Tanthrix:

Solv: I got that when I was trying to playback 1080i stuff – turn on the audio buffering thing. Helped my problem quite a bit.

[07:32:16]

Tanthrix:

Solv: And also, monitor your CPU usage with top -d .3

[07:32:18]

Solv:

okay...i thought i had selected extra audio buffering...is that the same thing or not?

[07:32:25]

Tanthrix:

Regular top is too slow to catch spikes

[07:32:38]

Solv:

Tanthrix, i did that and it occasionally spikes to 70 percent

[07:32:55]

Tanthrix:

Solv: All I know is that the audio buffer thing on the general page did nothing where as the audio buffering on the playback page (where the deinterlacing stuff is) did help

[07:33:26]

Solv:

i'm thinking about using jack and the realtime-lsm module to get audio happening in realtime

[07:34:00]

Tanthrix:

Not sure if that would help you – I'm still not convinced that the audio stuff is at fault, just a weird side bug.

[07:35:03]

Tanthrix:

I had the same thing happening, but it was the same with recorded stuff as well.

[07:35:25]

Tanthrix:

1080i would tend to stay below 70 but would stutter, even though mplayer played it perfectly.

[07:35:34]

Tanthrix:

Something funky with myth I think.

[07:36:07]

Solv:

mmm...might need to go onto the dev channel if i still can't make it work...

[07:44:08]

Tanthrix:

Anyone know if the HD-3000/HD-5500 have PVR functionality (meaning, hardware conversion to mpeg2 for analog stuff including audio) or are they just "dumb" cards for analog transmissions?

[07:44:28]

kormoc:

they are 'dumb' cards

[07:44:43]

Tanthrix:

That's a shame.

[07:45:17]

Tanthrix:

Is it just a simple matter of getting rid of the channels in your zap2it settings to make it not able to record SD channels?

[07:45:30]

Tanthrix:

I have a PVR-150 and wouldn't want to bother using it for SD stuff, only HD.

[08:02:39]

xzcvczx:

hmmmm i gave mythdvd a wrong title to rip (damn episode cds are confusing) now i cant find anything to do with the dvd that i tried ripping and i am unable to rip it again when i try it just clears the jobs any ideas/

[08:02:43]

xzcvczx:

?

[08:07:01]

Solv:

just running mythtv with realtime priority and it is much better

[08:07:09]

Solv:

not perfect but much better

[08:07:22]

Tanthrix:

It's a start.

[08:07:26]

Tanthrix:

Have an Nvidia card?

[08:07:42]

Solv:

yeah an old ti4200

[08:07:50]

Tanthrix:

Using XvMC?

[08:07:59]

Solv:

nope..apparently it doesn't work

[08:08:09]

Solv:

i tried it too...and it came up with an error in the cnsole

[08:08:27]

Tanthrix:

Might put some effort into getting it to work, I suspect it would fix your problem entirely.

[08:08:34]

Tanthrix:

Can be a bitch to get working though.

[08:08:45]

Solv:

Tanthrix, i was under the impression it was a mythtv problem

[08:08:56]

charles_a:

ivtv doesn't work with a pre-emptive kernel?

[08:09:17]

Tanthrix:

Well, if you're using XvMC technically myth really isn't decoding the video anymore, your GPU is

[08:10:05]

Tanthrix:

Well, I'm off to bed.

[08:10:08]

Solv:

yeah someone on here was saying....but they said it isn't implemented properly yet or something...

[08:10:11]

Solv:

night

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xzcvczx:

lol

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xzcvczx:

mostly from china.... probably making the most of companies being shut for days in a row

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sebrock:

is it possible to force a hdd to spin down?

[13:02:02]

gardengnome:

yes

[13:03:43]

gardengnome:

juski: what's in there?

[13:04:08]

juski:

a video

[13:05:11]

gardengnome:

got it off youtube?

[13:05:19]

juski:

nope

[13:05:24]

juski:

from vlc2swf

[13:06:06]

frink_:

hey folks..

[13:06:38]

juski:

I'd be using xvidcap already if there was a working .deb I could use

[13:07:21]

frink_:

Does anybody know how to upgrade kernels on that Fedora stuff?

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[13:09:08]

gardengnome:

juski: umm, so, do you want to watch that video?

[13:10:58]

juski:

gardengnome: I don't want to watch it, I want to be able to make it into uncompressed YUV video :)

[13:11:42]

gardengnome:

juski: umm. ok. and how is vlc involved in that?

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[13:12:42]

juski:

gardengnome: record a swf of a vnc session witn vnc2swf :)

[13:13:06]

juski:

there's also a way to use vncrec, but I can't get it to build

[13:13:10]

juski:

too many missing things

[13:18:48]

gardengnome:

sad

[13:20:15]

juski:

yeah and I can't build transcode on this box either

[13:20:35]

juski:

now if I had a version of ffmpeg with every option enabled... ;)

[13:21:42]

gardengnome:

humm

[13:21:53]

gardengnome:

do you know about the apt-get build-dep command?

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[13:22:31]

juski:

kind of

[13:22:53]

juski:

but I thought it'd only work for stuff in the ubunut repositories

[13:23:57]

juski:

this is all coming from the joy of using unofficial repos

[13:24:04]

juski:

I just know it

[13:24:18]

juski:

broken/mixed dependencies

[13:24:24]

gardengnome:

heh

[13:24:44]

gardengnome:

juski: if you've got the deb-src lines for those unofficial repositories in your sources.list, it should work

[13:26:00]

juski:

I wouldn't care the swf is excellent quality by the look of it

[13:26:54]

juski:

maybe what I'm gonna have to do is mock it all up – prolly gonna be way less time consuming

[13:27:13]

juski:

and take less disk space in the source material

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[13:28:02]

perlmonkey:

hi gang

[13:28:25]

perlmonkey:

where/how do i get the tv_grab_uk_rt tv listing source?

[13:28:45]

juski:

huh?

[13:28:53]

perlmonkey:

hi juski

[13:28:56]

juski:

how you configure it?

[13:28:59]

juski:

how you install it?

[13:29:01]

juski:

que? ;)

[13:29:02]

perlmonkey:

where do I get the tv guide listings file

[13:29:09]

juski:

what file?

[13:29:14]

perlmonkey:

tv_grab_uk_rt

[13:29:17]

juski:

what file?

[13:29:37]

juski:

the _program_ you mean?

[13:29:39]

perlmonkey:

nice: tv_grab_uk_rt: No such file or directory

[13:29:48]

juski:

install xmltv

[13:29:53]

perlmonkey:

ah, thanks

[13:30:05]

perlmonkey:

where do I get the file xmltv

[13:30:34]

juski:

from your friendly neighbourhood package repository

[13:30:46]

perlmonkey:

cool i will check if it has it

[13:31:01]

juski:

what distro are you wrestling with?

[13:31:13]

perlmonkey:

debian etch

[13:31:37]

juski:

apt-get install xmltv

[13:31:44]

perlmonkey:

it has it! thanks

[13:32:22]

** perlmonkey waters his tomatoes while it downloads and installs **

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** perlmonkey gives juski two biscuits and a cup of tea first **

[13:33:07]

juski:

you'll need to configure tv_grab_uk_rt, and to help do that I strongly recommend you look at the mythtv wiki page about it first

[13:33:48]

juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Uk_xmltv

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perlmonkey:

ok thanks

[13:35:40]

juski:

you should really configure it from mythtv-setup

[13:35:51]

juski:

the _proper_ way :)

[14:06:02]

perlmonkey:

hmm

[14:06:12]

perlmonkey:

doesnt seem to be doing much

[14:06:17]

perlmonkey:

"grabbing"

[14:06:18]

jduggan_:

hmm etch went stable

[14:06:20]

jduggan_:

bout time

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gardengnome:

nice.

[14:08:08]

perlmonkey:

dont fink its werkin

[14:08:40]

gardengnome:

mytharchive says the file is 2.08G when it really is 6G. this happens in the file browser :/

[14:08:41]

perlmonkey:

how long is it supposed to take

[14:08:52]

gardengnome:

perlmonkey: can take a long time.

[14:08:57]

perlmonkey:

oh right

[14:09:05]

** perlmonkey learns to be more patient **

[14:09:36]

perlmonkey:

why doesn't someone maintain a proper db table of tv listings everyone can share?

[14:09:49]

perlmonkey:

just an idea

[14:10:27]

gardengnome:

because such data is expensive.

[14:10:44]

** gardengnome curses mytharchive for being silly **

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[14:11:14]

perlmonkey:

tv guides should be free no?

[14:11:18]

gardengnome:

heh

[14:11:24]

gardengnome:

they should be free :)

[14:11:43]

perlmonkey:

i will make the first xml tv guide listing

[14:11:45]

gardengnome:

but they are not because people can make money off them

[14:11:57]

gardengnome:

perlmonkey: don't get sued ;)

[14:12:03]

perlmonkey:

:-|

[14:12:17]

gardengnome:

the situation in the US is better.

[14:12:26]

perlmonkey:

are you in the US

[14:12:31]

gardengnome:

no

[14:12:37]

RaYmAn-Bx:

perlmonkey: radiotimes (in UK) already has that

[14:12:40]

gardengnome:

i'm in germany where most grabbers are broken at the moment

[14:12:42]

gardengnome:

RaYmAn-Bx: really?

[14:12:46]

gardengnome:

i thought it was a screen scraper

[14:12:53]

RaYmAn-Bx:

well, they certainly did iirc

[14:12:56]

perlmonkey:

does radiotimes provide all the uk tv channel schedules

[14:13:06]

RaYmAn-Bx:

i think so

[14:13:09]

perlmonkey:

cool

[14:15:16]

RaYmAn-Bx:

did the new Doctor Who actually air last night?

[14:22:34]

perlmonkey:

i dunno why wouldn't it

[14:23:12]

RaYmAn-Bx:

sometimes they just don't quite air things when you expect them too

[14:23:29]

perlmonkey:

that sux, usually becuz of spor

[14:23:32]

perlmonkey:

*sport

[14:23:42]

RaYmAn-Bx:

indeed

[14:24:08]

perlmonkey:

"Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected."

[14:24:10]

perlmonkey:

:-/

[14:25:17]

RaYmAn-Bx:

you obviously need more tuner cards!

[14:25:33]

perlmonkey:

I'm not recording tho

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perlmonkey:

stupid thing

[14:27:12]

perlmonkey:

fuked

[14:27:50]

gardengnome:

did you kill your frontend without disconnecting properly?

[14:28:01]

perlmonkey:

maybe

[14:28:13]

gardengnome:

perlmonkey: restarting the backend should help

[14:28:14]

perlmonkey:

I had to reinstall mysql

[14:28:18]

perlmonkey:

lost all my db's

[14:28:40]

gardengnome:

have you added your capture card in mythtv-setup?

[14:29:20]

perlmonkey:

should there be a Analogue V4L capture card as well as PVR150

[14:29:27]

perlmonkey:

just redoing it

[14:32:27]

** perlmonkey does a fear grin and bashes keyboard repeatedly **

[14:32:57]

perlmonkey:

woah it's working now

[14:35:22]

perlmonkey:

this tv grabbing thing is doing my head in

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perlmonkey:

so slow!

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** perlmonkey just made first recording in mythtv **

[14:47:38]

perlmonkey:

wooohoo mythtv rox

[14:48:09]

perlmonkey:

got a few questions

[14:49:45]

perlmonkey:

everyone eating their easter choccie eggs?

[14:50:29]

GreyFoxx:

If you have questions, just ask. IF someone can/cares to answer they will

[14:50:41]

perlmonkey:

1. what is the recommended window size Mythtv should run, and does the window size determine the frame size in recordings?

[14:51:22]

GreyFoxx:

the default 4:3 is 800x480. I don't remember the 16:9 res off hand

[14:51:28]

GreyFoxx:

err 800x600

[14:51:32]

perlmonkey:

I just made 1 recording and checked my mythtv folder but I seem to have 2 mpg files instead of one. Is one like a preview/trailor of the actual recording?

[14:51:36]

GreyFoxx:

You can run at whatever youw ant though

[14:51:47]

GreyFoxx:

and no it makes no difference to the recordings. That is defined seperately

[14:51:59]

perlmonkey:

oh right

[14:52:06]

GreyFoxx:

no, whatever youa re using is likely just chopping the filename

[14:52:19]

GreyFoxx:

the preview png image is file.mpg.png

[14:52:27]

GreyFoxx:

so your file viewer is likely chopping the last .png

[14:52:27]

perlmonkey:

oh, how strange

[14:52:48]

perlmonkey:

I used to mythtv to watch it tho

[14:53:35]

GreyFoxx:

yes, and when a recording is over myth generates a preview screenshot

[14:53:39]

perlmonkey:

I recorded 1 minute of tv only and it came to 170MB + 32MB :-| these files could rather large at an hour of recording eh

[14:53:45]

GreyFoxx:

so file.mpg is the recording, and file.mpg.png is the screenshot

[14:54:00]

perlmonkey:

thanks

[14:54:07]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: The installation docs saying "2.2gb per hour" wasn't a hint?

[14:54:19]

perlmonkey:

but I have 2 x *mpg and 1 x mpg.png

[14:54:40]

GreyFoxx:

170mb per minute does seem a little excessive though

[14:54:50]

perlmonkey:

2.2gb an hour, so a dvd recorder is required then

[14:54:56]

perlmonkey:

it does

[14:55:18]

GreyFoxx:

why would a dvd recorder be required? Unless you plan to burn to dvd that is

[14:55:23]

perlmonkey:

can you adjust the compression or window frame size to make it use less storage space

[14:55:35]

Dagmar:

Yes

[14:55:37]

GreyFoxx:

perlmonkey: The recording profiles control the bitrate and such

[14:55:38]

perlmonkey:

I need to send some episodes of a show to a friend overseas

[14:55:48]

perlmonkey:

I was hoping to fit them onto regular cds

[14:56:09]

Dagmar:

You're perfectly welcome to change the bitrate things are recorded as, but you're probably better off _transcoding_ the files after they've been recorded

[14:56:16]

perlmonkey:

thanks

[14:56:40]

perlmonkey:

transcoding, does that mean like compressing using divx or something

[14:56:47]

GreyFoxx:

something like that

[14:56:51]

perlmonkey:

cool

[14:57:10]

perlmonkey:

I guess I have a lot to learn and i need to experiment more

[14:57:16]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[14:57:26]

perlmonkey:

but thanks guys for answering my questions and giving me some help getting started

[14:57:37]

GreyFoxx:

There is always more to learn :)

[14:57:41]

ubuntuEdgy:

whats the thing with space i have 80 gig I'm finding hard to fill up, and my 150 is still in wrappers.

[14:57:53]

perlmonkey:

phew

[14:58:17]

perlmonkey:

I dont have much space, I have a 90GB raid and a 72GB drive locally on backend server

[14:58:33]

RaYmAn-Bx:

you'll need more =P

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perlmonkey:

:-/

[14:58:46]

RaYmAn-Bx:

i have around 300gb in mine and it keeps filling up

[14:58:48]

perlmonkey:

I may have to get a usb sata drive like 400GB or something

[14:59:02]

ubuntuEdgy:

do you know about the "expire" feature ?

[14:59:06]

perlmonkey:

don't you archive your recordings onto DVD and free up space?

[14:59:15]

GreyFoxx:

99

[14:59:17]

ubuntuEdgy:

never

[14:59:20]

RaYmAn-Bx:

no

[14:59:24]

GreyFoxx:

99% of the time I watch and delete

[14:59:30]

RaYmAn-Bx:

exactly

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perlmonkey:

oh I think I saw something like that on the frontend options, for allowing recordings to expire after a period of time eh

[14:59:42]

GreyFoxx:

There are afew I keep, but overall not a lot

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ubuntuEdgy:

most of it is live tv

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perlmonkey:

you guys must record a lot of stuff

[15:00:04]

GreyFoxx:

we never watch livetv here. Only time I start it is to test something

[15:00:16]

perlmonkey:

is it just because you prefer to watch tv that way, when you like/without adverts, or because you like to keep copies

[15:00:19]

GreyFoxx:

perlmonkey: between my wife, daughter and I, we record a lot

[15:00:43]

GreyFoxx:

I prefer to watch the show I want, when I want. Not when the broadcaster decides I should see it

[15:00:58]

GreyFoxx:

I don't think "Doh, it's survivor night, can't miss that"

[15:00:59]

perlmonkey:

so do you guys have mythtv built into your existing PC or did you make a separate media center PC?

[15:01:08]

ubuntuEdgy:

lol i like your style

[15:01:30]

GreyFoxx:

perlmonkey: My first mythbox was in my desktop machine

[15:01:32]

perlmonkey:

oh thats a good way, I didnt think of that but mythtv could be like having a huge archive of tv stuff to watch over time eh

[15:01:34]

GreyFoxx:

but now they are all seperate

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perlmonkey:

if you had the space of cause

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ubuntuEdgy:

separate frontend is way better

[15:02:02]

perlmonkey:

cool

[15:02:07]

GreyFoxx:

I have a bunch of them around here

[15:02:33]

perlmonkey:

my machine seems to struggle a bit with running frontend and backend and doing other tasks, I may have to look at making dedicated backend machine

[15:02:48]

GreyFoxx:

active machines are 1 backend+frontend, 4 msntv frontends, 1 slave backend

[15:02:54]

Dagmar:

You're using something less than 1.2ghz aren't you

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GreyFoxx:

perlmonkey: What kind of capture card ?

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perlmonkey:

I have a PVR150 and my backend system is P3–733/256

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phedny:

i'm trying to make mythtv work with my dvb card, but when starting livetv i get a "You should have gotten a channel lock by now." message on each channel

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phedny:

when running the backend with some -v options, i do see this:

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phedny:

DVBChan(0): New Params: Frequency: 538000000 Symbol Rate: 6900000 Inversion: Auto Inner FEC: none

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phedny:

while the channel i'm zapping to is on 308 MHz, which is also what is stored in the database

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perlmonkey:

I'm going to record an hour long show now and see how much space it uses

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ubuntuEdgy:

my main backend is only 1 ghz and 256 ram, even this some times feels like overkill

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GreyFoxx:

perlmonkey: Check your recording profiles too

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perlmonkey:

phew

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perlmonkey:

ok

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perlmonkey:

do you think I will be able to run frontend on my laptop which is only P3–500/256 with 11gwifi?

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** Dave123 has a frontend/backend system running on an athlon xp 1700+ with 1.5GB RAM, and an nvidia fx6200 256MB **

[15:06:45]

Dagmar:

perlmonkey: Only for SD content and it would still be a big maybe.

[15:06:54]

phedny:

hmm, not completelly true, somehow this 538 mhz has gotten into the database

[15:07:04]

perlmonkey:

what's SD?

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Dagmar:

I've a 500Mhz notebook I was using for that occasionally. It is just barely able to manage full-screen SD mpeg

[15:07:11]

Dagmar:

standard definition

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perlmonkey:

oh

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Dave123:

500MHz – I'd say barely, more ram/better video card the better

[15:08:16]

perlmonkey:

is it possible to pause mythtv playback of recordings?

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Dave123:

yes

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perlmonkey:

cool

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Dave123:

i have my remote setuo for it

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perlmonkey:

sounds seems better from mythtv than PC

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perlmonkey:

my last recording was a little short of a minute, so i guess it did get chopped somehow that's quite worrying

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Dave123:

perlmonkey, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4422 . . . 60&hl=en

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perlmonkey:

thanks

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Dave123:

thats what some guy did

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phedny:

i found out what causes my problems

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phedny:

but now i have a question: how can i scan for dvb channels and using a different network id?

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sphing:

theres a frontend for osx?

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SlicerDicer-:

of course

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sphing:

lol, this is what happens when you stop using myth for a year

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SlicerDicer-:

uses aqua even if you want

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sphing:

anyone tried it on appletv?

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SlicerDicer-:

hell I have been using mythtv on the mac for long time

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SlicerDicer-:

more than year

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sphing:

never knew that

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MACscr1077 is now known as MACscr

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sphing:

SlicerDicer-: have an apple tv?

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** perlmonkey trying a recording in low quality mode **

[15:29:16]

perlmonkey:

10 mins = 369MB

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** perlmonkey assesses the quality of playback **

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scant:

anyone here have experience with lirc and imon knob?

[15:31:21]

perlmonkey:

phew quality is very good

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Cyberai:

is there anyone here who would be willing to be kind enough to help me through scanning out and setting up my digital cable channels? I'm in the US using insight communications cable. I have a PcHDTV HD-5500 card installed and it seems to be working. I just can't seem to find any channels with it.

[15:40:51]

Cyberai:

and the wiki on this is a bit vague

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Cyberai:

and I am sure th server at Google that's been handling my constant searches for info on this is rapidly approaching a nervous breakdown.

[15:42:44]

Cyberai:

and I am now beginning to suspect that querying for such info on an Easter Sunday is a fools errand indeed :)

[15:43:01]

** Cyberai listens to the crickets and watches the tumbleweeds go by. **

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kormoc|afk:

Cyberai, also please not that if the channels are encrypted (as they likely are), you won't ever pick up any.

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Cyberai:

well, I don't think they are in all honesty. My father has the digital cable package, and his tuner box is not one that can handle encryption (I looked it up).

[15:49:03]

Cyberai:

kormoc, I am using the dvbscan utility to look for them. But so far no luck.

[15:49:29]

kormoc:

welp, you'd have the first digital cable that I've ever heard of in the US that's not encrypted

[15:49:30]

kormoc:

g'luck

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Cyberai:

kormoc, just for clarification. When I'm referring to digital, I don't mean the HD, or premium channels. Just cbale transmitted digital.

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kormoc:

aye, one of the points in switching to digital for the cable co's are to allow full encryption like that

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Cyberai:

sans typos

[15:51:38]

Cyberai:

hmmm

[15:52:40]

Cyberai:

well, if that's true then this would be the suck

[15:53:12]

Cyberai:

I can always switch to the stuff available via ATSC, but I really wanted those extram 100 channels :)

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scant:

anyone here use multiple lirc devices?

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kormoc:

Cyberai, then again...

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kormoc:

"I am able to record ANY HD channel (Sho, HDNet UHD all the locals) to my computer, with the exception of HBO, from Insight Cable in Indiana. What is strange is that in the service menu of the DVR, it shows 5C=0 on all channels."

[15:56:31]

kormoc:

so perhaps you just have one rockin cable co

[15:56:44]

Cyberai:

we'll see, still no luck in scanning out channels

[15:59:37]

Cyberai:

kormoc – "Ithought It might be worth mentioning that I have a Motorola 6412 from Insight Cable in Covington Kentucky. There is no 5C encryption on HBO HD or HDNet Movies. I've recorded many a movies & am now on my 6th or 7th spindle of DVDRs (I back them up in the original TS form). So one solution would be to move to my area, but that's probably not the answer you were looking for."

[15:59:44]

Cyberai:

that guys like 10 mins from me

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kormoc:

nice

[16:00:06]

Cyberai:

that's from July of last year

[16:00:13]

Cyberai:

so I'm baffled why I don't see anything

[16:00:51]

Cyberai:

perhaps I have to tell them to turn on the digital cable for me, perhaps it blocked at the cubside box?

[16:01:24]

kormoc:

typicallu you do have to pay for it,a ye

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kormoc:

*aye

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Dave123:

yea digital cable is an additional cost

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Dave123:

for example

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Dave123:

I live in Rochester, NY and our provider is TimeWarner

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perlmonkey:

is it possible to take screenshot captures from within TV?

[16:05:04]

perlmonkey:

*mythtv

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Dave123:

perlmonkey, not quite sure what your asking

[16:05:45]

perlmonkey:

can I take a still frame capture from a recording

[16:06:19]

Dave123:

hm

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Dave123:

dont know

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perlmonkey:

doesnt seem possible

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** Dave123 is new to myth but has learned a lot :) **

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Saviq:

hey guys, did any of You manage to output RGB PAL from a i810 GPU?

[16:07:20]

Saviq:

I get "unknown reason" when trying to use a PAL modeline :(

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Cyberai:

perlmonkey, record the show using mythtv

[16:10:34]

Cyberai:

then go to the recordings folder and locate it, it will be the latest file by creation date

[16:10:54]

Cyberai:

open in mplayer or xine – pause where you want and screenshot yourself to death

[16:12:53]

Cyberai:

I am beginning to think all that is wrong is that I have to subscribe to the digital

[16:13:19]

Cyberai:

otherwise, as I understand the technology, I would find the channels and they would tune in, but be static.

[16:13:56]

Cyberai:

I mean, encrypting a channel doesn't make it invisible, just unreadable. There's still clearly a signal there, right?

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perlmonkey:

Cyberai: ya I am but I wanted to make some still frame screen captures

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perlmonkey:

sheesh didnt even dent it

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Cyberai:

I don't understand perlmonkey? if you open the file in mplayer, play it to where you want and then pause it, you can screen cap it with something like ksnap or scrot.

[16:19:14]

Cyberai:

I actually think mplayer has a built in frame grabber if I remember right

[16:19:22]

gardengnome:

perlmonkey: start mythfrontend like NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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Cyberai:

good point gardengnome, run myth in a window and pause the video, then screenshot

[16:20:08]

perlmonkey:

Cyberai: oh of course, thanks

[16:20:17]

gardengnome:

Cyberai: xvideo needs to be disabled

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gardengnome:

or use xvidcap

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perlmonkey:

gardengnome: what's XV?

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Saviq:

I think I narrowed it down... anyone got interlaced video out of i810?

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gardengnome:

perlmonkey: xvideo.

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perlmonkey:

cool

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Cyberai:

ok, that has to be it. I have to get my digital cable turned on. I just ran all three dvbscan methods and myth's channel scanner and got bupkis. The channels aren't there.

[16:23:20]

Cyberai:

hehe, well it was worth trying to get it for free. I guess I should settle for having unencrypted digital. Quit while yr ahead huh?

[16:23:39]

gardengnome:

Cyberai: or blue

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Cyberai:

yep

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scant:

anyone here use multiple lirc devices?

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gbee:

scant: on the same machine?

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scant:

gbee: yes

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scant:

gbee: i have got my iMON VFD via LIRC and my iMON Knob via LIRC working, but not via the startup script...

[16:43:26]

scant:

gbee: i'm unsure how to start the lircd multiple times to get multiple lirc devices working via startup scripts

[16:43:49]

gbee:

thought that's what you meant, but just checking :) I can't really help, sorry

[16:44:56]

scant:

I've found very little information on the wiki's and forums about this issue... one thread said it wasn't possible, but i now know it is... i just need help with the lirc startup script

[16:45:51]

gbee:

it's always worth asking the main question outright – there may be no-one running two lirc daemons but they know how to construct the script to do it

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scant:

can anyone help me setup a startup script to run two lirc daemons... i know the sequence of commands to do it... i'm just unsure how to implement them with the current lirc startup script that i have

[16:48:39]

tank-man:

what ever startup scripts you have depend on your distro

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scant:

tank-man: i'm using KnoppMyth which I think is debian.

[16:48:59]

tank-man:

most have a local startup script you put all your stuff into

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tank-man:

mine for example is /etc/rc.d/rc.local

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scant:

tank-man: are you using debian?

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kormoc:

or just add it into root's crontab with @reboot :P

[16:49:30]

tank-man:

no

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scant:

tank-man: but you use LIRC?

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sphing:

kormoc: whats that trick?

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tank-man:

yes

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Dagmar:

reboot is always a fun command to feed cron

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kormoc:

sphery, crontab has a speical time called @reboot, and it runs the command on every reboot

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sphing:

no way, didn't know that

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scant:

tank-man: you don't use a S## startup script for lirc in rc.d?

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sphing:

thats awesom

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tank-man:

no

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Dagmar:

that's actually quite nifty

[16:50:36]

kormoc:

sphery, aye, I love it :P

[16:50:45]

Dagmar:

Is that in Dillon's crond?

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sphing:

its it on reboot of the box, or startup of crond?

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I love @reboot shutdown -r now :P

[16:50:55]

kormoc:

sphery, startup of crond

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sphing:

gotcha

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kormoc:

sphery, tho mine seems to have a 2 minute delay after crond's start, not sure if that's gentoo specific or not tho

[16:51:56]

kormoc:

well, maybe not 2 minutes... but at least a bit of a delay

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sphing:

thats pretyt neat though, didn't know that

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sphing:

does anyone have an appletv?

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scant:

tank-man: are you still here?

[16:56:17]

GreyFoxx:

Javig: If there is a particular distro you are most familiar with, stick to it

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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tank-man:

yes

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scant:

tank-man: do you load your modules in rc.local also?

[16:57:03]

tank-man:

lirc modules?

[16:57:08]

scant:

tank-man: yes

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tank-man:

yes

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scant:

tahnk-man: in KnoppMyth, there is no /etc/rc.d/rc.local, the modules and lircd are loaded in a lirc startup script

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scant:

tank-man: the lirc startup script that KnoppMyth uses is /etc/init.d/lirc

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tank-man:

so edit that file to your likeing

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scant:

tank-man: the problem is that it's a complex script

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scant:

that checks for the conf files to see if they exist and loads the modules that are listed in the lirc hardware conf file

[17:01:18]

mhall:

Hello, all. I am trying to wade through the brave new world of HDTV over cable using Clear QAM. It seems that there is some subtlety to figuring out which channels are actually unencrypted. The problem I am experiencing is, the encrypted ones seem to hose mplayer, and I can't get xine-hd to compile. I was trying to set up Myth, but the setup app seemed to have problems with configuring my card. So, what would be an effective way to c

[17:01:57]

tank-man:

mine is just two lines i put in. one to load the module, then the other to load lircd

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tank-man:

i like to keep it simple

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tank-man:

and in my home dir, something to load irexec

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scant:

tank-man: i guess KnoppMyth does it differently

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juski:

woohoo! I got xvidcap working!

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juski:

must say my machine isn't too hot at grabbing 1280x720 in mpeg4.. hahaha

[17:08:08]

frink_:

whoooooooo I have made the s-vid input on my telly work ;-)

[17:08:20]

** frink_ soldered a connector onto it and guess what.. **

[17:08:46]

frink_:

nice one juski

[17:08:51]

frink_:

what machine is it?

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juski:

athlon 2000xp

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frink_:

oh, grabbing it.. yeah well!

[17:09:19]

juski:

gonna try mjpeg.. need very HQ grabs for me new demo video

[17:09:25]

frink_:

cool

[17:09:36]

frink_:

well I need to get the remote control working o this box now and I'll be happy.

[17:12:32]

mhall:

I wonder what I can encode with dual 2ghz Opterons.

[17:13:20]

scant:

tank-man: how do you cleanly stop lircd?

[17:15:59]

frink_:

mhall: you can encode yer mum with that innit.

[17:18:16]

juski:

www.juski.co.uk/test-000.mpeg

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juski:

oops wrong window

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/test-0000.mpeg is it anyway

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juski:

ugh.. not worky :(

[17:20:12]

gardengnome:

worky here

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gardengnome:

wget no worky, though

[17:20:32]

gardengnome:

it works in firefox with the mplayer plugin

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juski:

nice quality but shame about the framerate

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** Saviq not happy ;( **

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gardengnome:

juski: make sure the terminal doesn't appear next time

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juski:

lol

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Saviq:

i810 driver does not support interlaced video through vga ;(

[17:21:08]

juski:

gardengnome: it's all gonna come out in the edit anyway ;)

[17:21:24]

gardengnome:

Saviq: that sucks :/

[17:21:36]

Saviq:

yeah it does...

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Saviq:

juski: somewhat new theme is it?

[17:22:34]

juski:

Saviq: not new at all

[17:22:38]

juski:

maybe new to you :-P

[17:22:46]

Saviq:

maybe ;)

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tank-man:

scant, i dont need to stop lircd. if i do i use kill

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** juski wonders what kind of cpu macslow had to record his 'lofat' demo video **

[17:33:51]

gardengnome:

he probably used a different codec

[17:34:17]

juski:

tried a couple of others – there's a problem with libavcodec

[17:34:39]

gardengnome:

you've got lots of problems there, it seems

[17:37:16]

juski:

works to mpeg2

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juski:

4.5fps

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gardengnome:

ouch

[17:37:53]

Saviq:

lol

[17:39:19]

juski:

I can see I'm gonna have to go with a barrage of stills

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scant:

tank-man: when you reboot you don't kill/stop lircd?

[17:44:03]

scant:

I have a 2Gig Athlon XP, 1Gig of Ram, 128MB Nvidia 6200 LE AGP, should I be running opengl, standard, or xvmc?

[17:45:02]

kormoc:

opengl is for the menus, xvmc is a video playback type...

[17:45:04]

gardengnome:

opengl? what do you mean?

[17:45:47]

Dagmar:

damn bitTorrent

[17:46:12]

Dagmar:

I gotta build old versions of wxGTK and wxPython now

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scant:

kormoc: opps... should I use XvMC?

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kormoc:

scant, worth a try

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scant:

kormoc: since I have a 2Gig AthlonXP, should I use libmpeg2?

[17:49:59]

Saviq:

Dagmar: I recommend running ÂµTorrent with wine

[17:50:10]

Saviq:

it's so light on the cpu and mem

[17:50:25]

** kormoc blinks **

[17:50:28]

Saviq:

and it Just work TM

[17:50:54]

kormoc:

if you want light, the console bt client is light...

[17:51:09]

Saviq:

yeah, I want some gui, tho' ;)

[17:51:50]

Saviq:

it has all the abilities Azureus has, works fast and like a charm – believe me I was surprised it worked this well

[17:52:12]

Zider:

I get much higher speeds with azureus

[17:52:25]

Zider:

at the cost of about a gig extra ram used ;)

[17:52:59]

GreyFoxx:

ixnay on the orrentay alktay

[17:53:18]

Zider:

say what?

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kormoc:

oh yeah... bt is a topic that is unwelcome here

[17:53:42]

kormoc:

see channel faq

[17:53:48]

Zider:

ah right

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** kormoc yawns **

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scant:

kormoc: what kind of de-interlacing do you use? kernel doesn't look as good as linear to me...

[17:54:50]

kormoc:

scant, none... I have a interlaced TV

[17:56:25]

scant:

kormoc: if you deinterlace, does it record the stream as interlaced still?

[17:56:34]

kormoc:

yes

[17:56:41]

kormoc:

deinterlacing is playback only

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Saviq:

scant: you'd need to recode to deinterlace for savingf

[17:57:22]

scant:

kormoc: can you tell me, is 128Meg of ram on my agp video card enough?

[17:57:29]

kormoc:

plenty

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scant:

kormoc: thanks for all the answers

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kormoc:

your welcome

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scant:

kormoc: where you around when i was asking about lirc and KnoppMyth?

[17:59:01]

Saviq:

scant: "not" around ;)

[17:59:26]

scant:

Saviq: huh?

[17:59:45]

Saviq:

he was _not_ around

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kormoc:

scant, yeah

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kormoc:

ooh?

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Saviq:

nevermind...

[18:00:23]

scant:

kormoc: do you use a vfd/lcd?

[18:00:31]

kormoc:

nope

[18:00:57]

scant:

kormoc: remote?

[18:01:07]

kormoc:

yup

[18:01:47]

scant:

kormoc: i'm looking for someone who is familiar with KnoppMyth and Debian and Lirc

[18:02:20]

scant:

KnoppMyth uses a startup script for lirc that i don't yet understand... so it's difficult for me to modify it

[18:03:56]

scant:

kormoc: do you use commercial flagging?

[18:04:00]

kormoc:

yup

[18:04:44]

scant:

kormoc: can you commercial flag real-time while watching/recording?

[18:04:49]

kormoc:

yup

[18:05:01]

scant:

kormoc: is that what you do?

[18:05:04]

kormoc:

yup

[18:05:10]

scant:

kormoc: do you have multiple tuners?

[18:05:14]

kormoc:

nope

[18:05:39]

scant:

how fast of a setup do you need to record two shows and commercial flag real-time?

[18:06:01]

** kormoc shrugs **

[18:06:20]

Saviq:

kormoc: did this mean "fast setup"?

[18:06:28]

scant:

kormoc: aww... i thought you were the repository of all the answers to my questions...

[18:06:44]

kormoc:

heh, I only know what I've delt with

[18:07:03]

scant:

kormoc: i mean, what kind of a system do you need to support dual tuners that commercial flag realtime

[18:07:12]

kormoc:

my 2.13 ghz celeron can likely handle 3 recording and commflagging jobs at once, but I can't say for sure, due to it doing other things too

[18:08:00]

Saviq:

scant: http://www.google.pl/search?q=answer+to+life% . . . d+everything

[18:09:09]

scant:

kormoc: how come you haven't done dual tuners yet, isn't that one of the pros of mythtv?

[18:09:28]

kormoc:

sure, but I have dish network and only one receiver

[18:10:28]

scant:

oh

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scant:

kormoc: how do you setup real-time commflagging?

[18:15:01]

kormoc:

by checking the box that says enable real-time commflagging?

[18:15:50]

scant:

Saviq: thanks =)

[18:16:15]

Saviq:

please ask google before you ask here..

[18:17:01]

scant:

kormoc: what commercial skip method do you use?

[18:17:08]

kormoc:

all

[18:25:16]

Saviq:

damn I can't wait to have my myth set up properly

[18:25:44]

Saviq:

but why o why do I bounce of so many problems :|

[18:30:23]

scant:

Saviq: how long have you been working on it?

[18:30:44]

Saviq:

working? not really long ;) thinking – a loooong time

[18:31:01]

Saviq:

I tried some of it's possibilities some time ago

[18:31:08]

Saviq:

and now I've got my hands on a small PC

[18:31:15]

Saviq:

and try to make it a small HTPC

[18:31:41]

scant:

cool

[18:31:51]

scant:

Saviq: i use KnoppMyth, and it's been mostly good

[18:31:53]

Saviq:

but it does not have TV out and I've come across a big problem that i810 does not support interlaced output, which I really need

[18:32:21]

Saviq:

I thought 'bout it but got it running on a xubuntu box

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Saviq:

can I correct the X (fonts, icons etc.) aspect ratio if I display 736x288 on a 4:3 screen?

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BSD_Tech:

how big of a hd do most of you use with myth

[18:49:23]

juski:

big

[18:49:30]

juski:

well I say 'big'.. 500GB

[18:49:57]

juski:

some folks have RAID5 arrays & the like, getting them 2TB or more

[18:50:13]

gardengnome:

500G is good for starteres these days, they're quite cheap ;)

[18:50:21]

Saviq:

guys, any of You administer mythpvr.com?

[18:50:38]

Saviq:

it just "invited" me

[18:50:42]

Saviq:

to install drupal

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juski:

mythpvr.com isn't affiliated with mythtv.org AFAIK

[18:51:38]

Saviq:

the db's gone, but the install.php script is there

[18:51:58]

Saviq:

so I thought, but maybe there is someon in the channel that is

[19:00:00]

andreaz:

I upgraded to the latest svn and suddenly, only the user root is able to view a menu in mythfrontend. User mythtv can't – i don't get the "scaling image" requester, nor the main menu, just a blank screen with the default mythtv background... Any ideas?

[19:00:38]

BSD_Tech:

ok that means my 400 gb sata I ordered should be enugh

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juski:

BSD_Tech: maybe, maybe not. depends what it needs to be 'enough' for ;)

[19:06:08]

BSD_Tech:

I got a dvd rom + rw drive

[19:07:23]

BSD_Tech:

tv recording and just copying all my dvd;s to

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BSD_Tech:

it should be a good start drive

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BSD_Tech:

its a snall case cant add a 2nd drive

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BSD_Tech:

small

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BSD_Tech:

i just wish tvtuners coverd mor then the basic 125 channels

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BSD_Tech:

it got quiet in here

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t0ny-p40:

I'm getting a LOT of mpeg artifacts in live tv and recoreded. The thing is I've watched the recored shows and they were clean.

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t0ny-p40:

It seems to do it when there is a lot of sudden motion.

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perlmonkey:

adjusting the window size and bitrate hardly makes any difference to file sizes of recordings :-/

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AndyCap:

how does one map between xmltv's --list-channels and the .xmltv config file?

[20:11:49]

jd86:

http://pastebin.ca/430186 it actually seems like the same job this time

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tzanger:

trying to build 020-fixes branch and everything builds but it can't find libqt-mt

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tzanger:

it's very clearly there, /etc/ld.so.conf has /usr/lib/qt/lib and hte softlinks are right

[20:14:33]

tzanger:

I should have to specify that library directly explicitly, should I?

[20:17:35]

tzanger:

nevermind

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tzanger:

QTDIR needed to be set

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wibbit:

Hello all

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wibbit:

I was hoping for some advice, I am looking to replace my current hifi, and was hoping to use my mythtv setup to be able to deal with all of the music etc. However, I have no idea what speakers to get

[20:35:16]

sid3windr:

good ones? :)

[20:35:22]

wibbit:

Does any one have any recomendations? I would be looking to spend around the Â£200 mark, but would not want to go too much above.

[20:35:32]

wibbit:

sid3windr: well yes, I suppose that would be one of the boxes to tick :p

[20:35:42]

sid3windr:

yea, useless reply, I know ;)

[20:35:56]

sid3windr:

I have no clue about those things

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dFG:

wibbit: active monitors or basic home hifi?

[20:36:22]

sid3windr:

my computer is powered by 4 elrandom speakers and my mythbox by a simple cheapo 5.1 set from creative labs

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wibbit:

sid3windr: so your kinda saying, that any run of the mill speaker set up would do just fine

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charles_a:

do the hauppauge cards work with pre-emptive kernels? I've heard conflicting reports..

[20:37:42]

sid3windr:

it does for me, I don't know if it does for you

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wibbit:

Hmmm

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wibbit:

Fair enough

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wibbit:

What about, connectivity, i.e. playing ac3 audio and passing it on directly to the speak system, as opposed to the os trying to decode it?

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sid3windr:

do you have a separate ac3 decoder?

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tzanger:

wibbit: I do that

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wibbit:

tzanger: What speaker system do you use? Is the decode part of a bundled amp, or a seporate?

[20:40:27]

tzanger:

spdif to jvc receiver

[20:40:38]

tzanger:

receiver has speakers and does ac3/dts decode as needed

[20:41:07]

wibbit:

I suppose the other thing that is a thorn in my side is the thought that if I wanted to go with decent HDTV, then I don't think that MythTV will work, due to the stupid encryption.

[20:41:29]

wibbit:

Whats the model of the receiver?

[20:41:35]

charles_a:

wibbit, it will work with over the air HD

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tzanger:

oh hell I dunno, it's about 7 years old now

[20:41:42]

tzanger:

it's not super really

[20:41:44]

tzanger:

it works for me

[20:41:47]

tzanger:

I'm no audiophile

[20:42:27]

wibbit:

charles_a: But, for the medium to short term, the majority of HD content (in the UK at any rate) is liable to be really felt while playing HD DVD's as opposed to over the air digital HD TV

[20:42:37]

wibbit:

charles_a: at least that's my impression

[20:43:08]

charles_a:

wibbit, hopefully the encryption will be broken just like DVDs were (there has already been limited success in breaking it)

[20:43:43]

charles_a:

wibbit, but an HD-DVD drive for a computer to use in say, mythtv, costs as much as an external player right now

[20:44:14]

wibbit:

charles_a: I have to admit, I did not read the article, but I also saw where a key for use with HD DVD's has been revoced, I assume that is relating to the cracking efforts going on, though I'm happy to be corrected

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** sandeen_ heard that they could actually brick a standalone dvd player if its key got revoked **

[20:46:33]

charles_a:

wibbit, you are correct, though I believe there have been two separate attacks

[20:47:18]

charles_a:

sandeen, they can (I can't wait to see a bricked PS3... maybe with it's online capability it will be able to get a new key)

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juski:

the one thing you guys are forgetting is that dvdcss cracking came before the DMCA & now the penalties for breaking encryption are quite severe

[21:01:57]

juski:

that, and the fact you're not supposed to talk about illegal stuff here

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scant:

after upgrading my nvidia drivers, i don't have a XF86Config-4, i read that the driver install wipes it out...

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Saviq:

any of You guys know how to set up a Live! card to properly output all streams (AC3, DTS or Stereo PCM) through one output?

[21:18:03]

Saviq:

I now got a PCM signal (no sound, though – just the initial signal that lights up a led on my amp's display) on one of the leads, AC3 or DTS on the other

[21:18:16]

Saviq:

and that's for both gxine or mplayer

[21:18:37]

Saviq:

I wasn't able to get any sound from the PCM output

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juski:

work on the HD mythtv promo video has officially begun :)

[21:23:58]

juski:

rendering is gonna take a loooong, loooong time

[21:24:11]

Saviq:

well then, see you next week?

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juski:

haha

[21:25:01]

juski:

hey I just had a thought. how big is 10 minutes of 720p ?

[21:25:09]

juski:

where the hell am I gonna put that?

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juski:

oh it's gonna be in dolby 5.1 too

[21:28:07]

juski:

I like a challenge

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[21:30:25]

Saviq:

well... 25fps?

[21:30:30]

Saviq:

24bits?

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juski:

maybe I should cut the length down some or I won't be able to upload it anywhere

[21:31:14]

juski:

make it a quick.. and I mean _quick_ one

[21:31:46]

juski:

hmm 1'10" to render 20secs of 720p

[21:36:17]

hads:

juski: What updates do you do to your themes? Is it just to keep up with changes in Myth?

[21:36:40]

juski:

hads: yeah and the occasional fix

[21:36:59]

juski:

bugs I notice, or stuff users report. not that users do much of that

[21:37:16]

hads:

Cool ta. Just wondering before I update my install.

[21:37:49]

hads:

Can't say I've noticed any bugs, I thought they must be just perfect :D

[21:39:30]

juski:

I updated neon-wide yesterday.. had a graphic that shouldn't have been there

[21:42:10]

hads:

I'm going to show a mate neon-wide as I think he'll like it. blootube is more my thing though :)

[21:42:41]

juski:

heh. I'm using mepo-wide & blootube-wide in my promo

[21:44:36]

hads:

The little mepo dude is pretty cool.

[21:45:24]

hads:

Wow, Mythbuters is on for the next 11 hours

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bill__k:

running mythtv-setup on ubuntu 6.10. warns that mythtv-backend is running, how do I kill it?

[21:47:17]

sandeen_:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop possibly

[21:47:17]

hads:

/etc/init.d/mythbackend stop

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cecil:

what they said

[21:47:29]

** sandeen_ wins **

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bill__k:

thanks

[21:49:10]

bill__k:

bash: /etc/init.d/mythbackend: No such file or directory

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bill__k:

hmm

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bill__k:

still get the warning that it detects the backend running

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bill__k:

following the guide here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy . . . tend_Desktop

[21:51:09]

sandeen_:

what does "ls /etc/init.d | grep -i myth" say

[21:51:26]

sandeen_:

i dunno how ubuntu lays things out

[21:51:32]

bill__k:

mythtv-backend

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sandeen_:

/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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bill__k:

ok stopped it

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bill__k:

thanks

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sandeen_:

np

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hads:

sandeen_ wins again :)

[21:53:18]

sandeen_:

grrr the next-gen version of my toshiba hdtv has "native mode" w/ no overscan

[21:53:25]

sandeen_:

that would have been nice

[21:53:49]

bill__k:

still get the error "probed into: failed to open" on step 2 of mythtv-setup. it's a pvr-150

[21:54:14]

tanq:

yeah i'm debating on using ubuntu edgy to get my cards working quickly..

[21:54:29]

** sandeen_ points at all the excellent fedora howtos :) **

[21:54:33]

tanq:

i started down the path of gentoo because my hardware is behind the power curve

[21:54:44]

tzanger:

tanq: how does that make gnetoo better

[21:54:51]

tzanger:

I'ma lways behind the power curve

[21:54:52]

sandeen_:

-OOMYGAWD

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bill__k:

i tried mythdora

[21:54:58]

bill__k:

twice

[21:55:02]

tzanger:

mind you I run slack so you may want to discredit my opinion

[21:55:08]

bill__k:

and knoppmyth

[21:55:17]

tzanger:

come on baby

[21:55:20]

tzanger:

dvb let's go

[21:55:21]

tanq:

i didnt say it was better but i could at least get a slight optimization out of it.. it could possibly be the difference between a twitchy picture and not

[21:55:22]

sandeen_:

i haven't tried either of those, just fc6 + myth bits :)

[21:55:25]

tzanger:

go go gadget make, go

[21:56:02]

tanq:

the only thing about gentoo is I can never remeber which packages I had to do what to..

[21:56:09]

hads:

sandeen_: It always the way that your TV lacks one feature. I discovered the other day that the LCD we bought doesn't do DPMS off :(

[21:56:18]

tanq:

heh.. so i basically forget the package configurations that got me there

[21:56:25]

tzanger:

hads: that's when you use a relay in parallel with the power switch :-)

[21:56:35]

hads:

heh

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sandeen_:

hads, yeah. but considering mine is just a monitor anyway it sure woulda been nice if it didn't overscan :/

[21:56:41]

sandeen_:

oh well

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** tanq sighs. **

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hads:

We use an MCE remote so it has a programmable TV power button but it annoys me that I can't do it with one button.

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sandeen_:

I got this remote: http://www.ofausa.com/remote.php?type=URC8820 very happy with it

[21:58:36]

sandeen_:

way cheaper than a Harmony and does lots of nice things

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bill__k:

crap, well I can't even view cable with tvtime

[21:58:52]

sandeen_:

doesn't look stupid, either :)

[21:59:03]

sandeen_:

bill__k, got your ivtv modules loaded?

[21:59:12]

bill__k:

i thought it worked by default

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bill__k:

with ubuntu

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sandeen_:

apparently not :D

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sandeen_:

lsmod | grep ivtv ?

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sandeen_:

don't paste just tell me if it says anything :)

[22:00:33]

Saviq:

anyone here using digital out from a Live! card?

[22:00:56]

hads:

ivtv has only made it into Feisty modules AFAIK it wasn't in Edgy

[22:00:56]

bill__k:

sandeen, haha you're right, nothing

[22:01:08]

sandeen_:

here let me get my paypal account for you... ;-)

[22:01:11]

** bill__k == idiot :) **

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hads:

So you'll need ivtv 0.7* I think

[22:01:22]

bill__k:

yeah, i got a guide up now

[22:01:22]

sandeen_:

"modinfo ivtv" – do you even have the module available?

[22:01:23]

bill__k:

thanks

[22:01:41]

bill__k:

could not find module

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bill__k:

lol

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juski:

anybody here good at getting video out of an swf file?

[22:02:21]

** hads doesn't know much about flash **

[22:02:51]

juski:

I've tried all the free tools & most of the commercial ones I can find – the ones with free trials. no dice :(

[22:02:53]

tanq:

juski: you can do it with ffmpeg if i am not mistaken

[22:03:05]

juski:

I can't with the build I've got

[22:03:22]

tanq:

get the sources and recompile

[22:03:25]

hads:

You can with flv but I don't know about swf

[22:03:33]

sandeen_:

sfwrip?

[22:03:38]

sandeen_:

swfrip...

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** sandeen_ googles on juski's behalf **

[22:03:45]

juski:

it's from vnc2swf

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juski:

I'll give that a try thanks :)

[22:07:16]

juski:

ooo picture size invalid.. that's a new one

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tanq:

google for more examples.

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tanq:

or read the man page.

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juski:

yeah I know how much I enjoy reading the ffmpeg manual :)

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juski:

I might eventually get vncrec to build, then I'll just be able to export that to uncompressed video with ffmpeg

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm I had no idea samsung dlp's ran Linux Kernel and stuff like that

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juski:

linux is everywhere nowadays. even in digital watches

[22:31:54]

SlicerDicer-:

This product uses parts of the software from the Independent JPEG Group.

[22:31:54]

SlicerDicer-:

This product uses parts of the software owned by the Freetype Project (www.freetype.org).

[22:31:54]

SlicerDicer-:

This product uses some software programs which are distributed under the GPL/LGPL license. Accordingly, the following GPL and

[22:31:54]

SlicerDicer-:

LGPL software source codes that have been used in this product can be provided after asking to vdswmanager@samsung.com .

[22:31:55]

SlicerDicer-:

GPL software: Linux Kernel, Busybox, Binutilis

[22:31:57]

SlicerDicer-:

LGPL software: Glibe

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SlicerDicer-:

thats what they use

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SlicerDicer-:

sorry for the 6 lines but I figured it was not exessive :)

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sandeen_:

SlicerDicer-, wehre'd you find that?

[22:32:19]

SlicerDicer-:

the manual for the TV I am going to get

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sandeen_:

wow

[22:32:26]

SlicerDicer-:

its got the GPL and LGPL in the manual

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sandeen_:

send that email! :)

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SlicerDicer-:

BWA HA HA

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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sandeen_:

well good for them I say

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** SlicerDicer- loves seeing the GPL and LGPL in a TV manual HAHA! **

[22:32:53]

sandeen_:

seriously.

[22:33:06]

sandeen_:

does the thing have an ethernet port? :)

[22:33:14]

sandeen_:

which tv is this btw

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juski:

I've seen some cctv products which blatantly DO use linux (think Xorg etc) and yet don't mention it in the manual

[22:33:27]

SlicerDicer-:

HL-T4675S

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sandeen_:

juski, yeah, that's crappy :/

[22:33:55]

sandeen_:

I sent a letter to linksys about one of their storage device dealies that used xfs, saying "hey cool where's the source?"

[22:34:09]

sandeen_:

tech support wrote back "yeah if you can provide us with the source that would be great!" :/

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tzanger:

sandeen_: haaaaaaaaahahahhaa

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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juski:

tzanger: careful with that tab key

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sandeen_:

I couldn't get sgi legal interested :/

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tzanger:

juski: ?

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SlicerDicer-:

sandeen xfs rocks so much

[22:35:00]

tzanger:

I meant to send to sandeen_

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juski:

heh. whoops

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SlicerDicer-:

seriously though that linux teeeveee makes me even more happy about getting it

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frink_:

juski: I have emailed the FSF about quite a few GNU violations ..

[22:35:38]

** sandeen_ will have to consider samsung next time **

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hads:

Yeah, they just went up in my opinion.

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sandeen_:

now... can it run native mythfrontend? :D

[22:36:18]

SlicerDicer-:

exactly

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sandeen_:

(almost certainly not...)

[22:36:21]

SlicerDicer-:

I am wondering ;-)

[22:36:24]

SlicerDicer-:

LOL

[22:36:29]

SlicerDicer-:

that would be friggin insane

[22:36:29]

juski:

oh fuck. I think I should see if there's an update for my fave vid. editor

[22:37:18]

SlicerDicer-:

sandeen_: hey if they can get a toaster run mythtv

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AndyCap:

juski: what vid editor is that?

[22:38:59]

juski:

Sony Vegas

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juski:

right now it's acting as crashy as a linux one

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sandeen_:

oh yes here it is...

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sandeen_:

"We really appreciate your generosity. I will forward your request to the web development team. Should they be looking for the GPL code for EFG80 I will give your information to them. Thank you and have a great day."

[22:40:28]

sandeen_:

yearrrgh.

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SlicerDicer-:

I just sent a request for source code :)

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juski:

ahh this might improve things a bit... render the stuff that's stored on the network locally :)

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mtnbkr-laptop:

Hello everyone... I am putting together a small, silent MythTV frontend system to go with the rather complex backend system I have in place so far I have chosen a VIA EPIA ME6000G Fanless Mini-ITX Mainboard & Casetronic C134 Mini-ITX but not sure where to find IR receivers to go with this... Can anyone recommend some parts?

[22:48:06]

bill__k:

sandeen, I got mythtv-setup finished, and the capture card is working, but I can't watch live tv...term log http://pastebin.ca/430362

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tank-man:

how do you know the capture card is working?

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bill__k:

it's a pvr-150, used the ivtv driver

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bill__k:

I just get a black screen for a few seconds and then it goes back to menu

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tank-man:

you might have did something wrong in mythtv-setup

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bill__k:

i'll double check then

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juski:

hahaha I've got the little mepo guy keyed onto video

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juski:

gardengnome: you around?

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juski:

actually xris if you are would you mind taking a look at something?

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bill__k:

tank-man, still no luck, I do notice 1 weird thing, when I scan for channels, it doesn"t see any above 13

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GreyFoxx:

hehe hmmm $15 on ebay for a x100p, or $150 for a TDM01B.....I think I'd spend the effort to try and get it working :)

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/test.mpg – lemme know your 1st impressions please

[23:13:34]

juski:

oops not quite uploaded yet

[23:14:18]

juski:

there... my idea for the new promo's lower 3rds...

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tank-man:

bill__k, in mythtv-setup->general->....->change us-bcast to us-cable

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bill__k:

ok, i had it on default

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glyn:

Can anyone help me with MythDVD and AC3 please? I've got passthru working with ALSA and mplayer but can't seem to convince the internal player to pass through ac3. I just get silence

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nasa:

juski: looks promising

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juski:

that preview file is 576i.. bit nasty compared to how it looks in 720p ;)

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juski:

plus the colour gamut is all wrong at the mo.

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** nasa can't wait to see the final (full HD) version **

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juski:

I hope it doesn't have to be sent out on DVD is all ;)

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nasa:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

weird... I can't seem to download it

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GreyFoxx:

strange, now it's working heh

[23:39:14]

hads:

It's in a frame.

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juski:

yeah that's my nasty dns service

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hads:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe cool

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hads:

Groovy juski

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juski:

I'm having to mock up most of the realtime stuff

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juski:

my poor machine can't keep up with xvidcap

[23:43:10]

juski:

menus & the gl fades are easy to spoof

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juski:

the livetv & OSD on the other hand.. whoah

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GreyFoxx:

juski: well..... you could cheat

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GreyFoxx:

run the tvout output from your video vard into the svideo/whatever input on your pvr card

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GreyFoxx:

then cat /dev/video0>file.mpg file you do your stuff

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juski:

yeah but...

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juski:

I've done that before

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GreyFoxx:

I've done that for some demos

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juski:

and it was barely good enough for dvd let alone 720p

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

certainly not the best visual quality :)

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juski:

this is gonna be all about da bling

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juski:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Dibblah:

GreyFoxx: Don't go for the X100p ;)

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juski:

and if folks are gonna be demoing mythtv with hd someplace, it'd be nice if there was a hd equiv. of the original video :)

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Dibblah:

It's a winmodem with a driver interface from hell.

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GreyFoxx:

Dibblah: That wasn't me, that was someone else

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GreyFoxx:

I already have a couple X100P's around, and 1 I've been using happily with asterisk for 2+ years

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Dibblah:

Ah :)

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juski:

whee I've managed to hard lock mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

Certainly not something I'd use for anything business related

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GreyFoxx:

but for my personal home use it's fine

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Dibblah:

... Bad hardware for the UK. Might be OK stateside.

[23:49:45]

Dibblah:

Doesn't understand line reversals, etc.

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juski:

even gonna knock some new musak together for the vid :)

[23:50:39]

Dibblah:

And of course the interrupt load is _nasty_.

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GreyFoxx:

the "problem" is that you will get newbiess buying the x100p and clones cause the jump from $10 on ebay to $150 minimum is a bit of a stretch :)

[23:50:55]

GreyFoxx:

Dibblah: Yeah, I learned quickly to keep my card on a seperate IRQ all by itself

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GreyFoxx:

the first time it was on the same as my network card and caused nasty problems

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Nice. Can't wait to see the results :)

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hads:

They are all just clones, there isn't really a distinction between them and the old official X100 card.

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GreyFoxx:

I just setup openser to be a frontend to my realtime asterisk setup this weekend

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GreyFoxx:

nifty stuff

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** Dibblah should really look at getting something ultra-low power that isn't a laptop :( **

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AndyCap:

Well, unless you buy weird crap like http://x100p.com/products/FXS.php which I wouldn't really recommend

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Dibblah:

The clones are all identical.

[23:53:07]

Dibblah:

That's why they're called clones.

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Dibblah:

Huh? Apologies :)

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defendguin:

im trying to connect to a mythtvbackend on another computer

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defendguin:

is is possible to connect to it while that computer already has a front end running?

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kormoc:

yes

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defendguin:

kan the two computer watch different programs?

[23:56:12]

defendguin:

can*

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kormoc:

yes

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defendguin:

awesome

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AndyCap:

defendguin: do you have two tuners?

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defendguin:

no

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hads:

Then no

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kormoc:

erm

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hads:

Unless they are pre-recorded.

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AndyCap:

defendguin: well, then one of them will have to watch something you recorded earlier,

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kormoc:

sure you can... just not two live streams at once

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hads:

Yeah

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defendguin:

hmm thats good enough

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defendguin:

i seem to be having problems connecting to the DB

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kormoc:

defendguin, did you follow the instructions in the mythtv docs about setting up the DB to allow remote access?

[23:58:13]

defendguin:

probably not i had not intended to do it from the beginning

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kormoc:

might want to

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defendguin:

i have a ssh terminal open right now to the machine can it be done from the CLI?

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kormoc:

sure

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defendguin:

is there a guide for that?

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kormoc:

it's covered in the docs, yes

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defendguin:

great

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