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Saturday, April 7th, 2007, 00:11 UTC

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rtsai1111:

mu ha ha

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mikeones:

hello

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k-man:

how does mythmusic access the music? is it via the filesystem? ie, if music is stored on a seperate server, do i need to nfs mount it to access it?

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schwagner:

anyone want to take a stab at an nvidia s-video out problem?

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k-man:

schwagner, whats the problem?

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schwagner:

k-man, every time I try to use the s-video out, i get "Aborted (core dumped)"

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schwagner:

k-man, but the vga out works fine

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schwagner:

k-man, which would work, if i wanted to watch tv on a 15" monitor, but i'd prefer not to

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schwagner:

ok, that's awesome, now it core dumps if i just have the s-video port _plugged in_

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k-man:

schwagner, sorry, i don't know

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k-man:

my only suggestion is that it might work better if you plug the svga in and then reboot

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schwagner:

yea, sometimes that hard-locks the machine

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schwagner:

the real bitch is, this was working fine until 4 days ago when i decided it would be brilliant to reload it and upgrade

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schwagner:

and in the process, save the data files but forget to save the database

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gbee:

k-man: yes you need to nfs/smb mount the remote storage

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k-man:

gbee, ok, thanks

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k-man:

gbee, so each system with mythmusic on it will act independant of the others? will they share play lists?

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gbee:

that will change to streaming through the backend, just depends when I get around to it

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gbee:

so long as they share the database they will share the playlists etc

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

so music should be mounted on the same path on each machine

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k-man:

?

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k-man:

gbee, your working on mythmusic?

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gbee:

actually, no that isn't exactly true – the playlists are frontend specific, don't access mythmusic through multiple frontends so I had to check that

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k-man:

gbee, ah, ok

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k-man:

thanks

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gbee:

think that I might change that

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gbee:

k-man: a little yeah

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k-man:

cool

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k-man:

and streaming would be good so one doesn't have to fiddle around with mounting nfs shares

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gbee:

music should be mounted on the same path

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gbee:

yep

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gbee:

actually I'm wrong, again, it doesn't have to be the same path

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k-man:

gbee, ok

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gbee:

we store the base path for each frontend in the database (MusicLocation) so whether it's /mnt/music on one machine and /very/long/path/to/my/music/ on another doesn't matter

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gbee:

guess I'm too tired to be answering questions :) I'm off to bed

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k-man:

ok, thanks gbee, gnight

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shwin:

hi guys, im trying to figure out whats going on the zap2it listings, and ive come across a bunch of flamewars in the user forums while searching my digests... but cant seem to find a real reason

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shwin:

can anyone give me the short version of whats up with the listings? missing unique episode id's, missing descriptions, etc..

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shwin:

is it just a temporary problem with zap2it that should be corrected shortly?

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shwin:

man digesting -users is not that great of an idea if you want to search for threads heh

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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MythLogBot:

mike3_ is here and has been idle for 2 days 8 hours 57 minutes 50 seconds

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shwin:

bummer, so basically, noone knows and theyre working on it

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shwin:

(finished finding the topics on zap2it forums) heh

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shawn_selig29:

hi

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shawn_selig29:

will a amd k-6 550mhz, 312mb ram..40gb hard drive...be good enough for a media center?

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tank-man:

no

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tank-man:

what kind of media?

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shawn_selig29:

i was gonna setup for tv...

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shawn_selig29:

like mythtv...

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shawn_selig29:

to record..pause tv...etc..

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shwin:

would be pretty worthless

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shwin:

slow, etc

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shwin:

especially a k6 lol :P

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tank-man:

40gig hd space is low and cpu specs are low

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shawn_selig29:

k

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shawn_selig29:

guess i'm gonna have to throw my new dell in...

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BSD_Tech:

get a mini-itx via c3 1300 mb with gig of ram

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shawn_selig29:

but what does a tivo run?

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shwin:

im sure the hardware specs are on wikipedia

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shwin:

though i dont feel like searching for you..

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shawn_selig29:

my dell is intel p4 3.8ghz, 1gb ram...2x 120gb drives 7200rpm

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shawn_selig29:

k

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cheeseboy:

shawn_selig29

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cheeseboy:

hi

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BSD_Tech:

tivo uses its own embedded system

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cheeseboy:

shawn_selig29 get me unbanned

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shwin:

called tivoCPU 50mhz!

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BSD_Tech:

with a micro controller

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shawn_selig29:

cheeseboy,pm

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BSD_Tech:

yes but tivo does not use x

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shwin:

tivo is a pos compared to myth

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shwin:

though ive spent nearly 2500$ on my myth setup ;P

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BSD_Tech:

soo what does myth use for remote access

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shwin:

clarify.

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shwin:

ssh? heh

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BSD_Tech:

like a webgui

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shwin:

you can use the mythweb plugin

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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BSD_Tech:

I just got it installed

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shwin:

thats a good start :)

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BSD_Tech:

but I need to wait for the card to come befroe I set it up

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shwin:

technically you can go all the way to settuping up zap2it and mythweb without a capture card, getting most of it done except for video sources

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shwin:

then drop the card in, assign the video source, and bam, done.

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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BSD_Tech:

no to figure out how to make it boot up to myth on startup

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BSD_Tech:

no/now

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shwin:

gdm or xdm probably your best b et

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shwin:

i do mine manually so i can log mythfrontend output incase-of-emergency

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shwin:

dont want it overwrote if mythfrontend crashes

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shwin:

and dont want to append, making it ginormous

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BSD_Tech:

brb

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kb3ocf:

Okay, this isn't exactly MythTV related but maybe you guys could help me. I'm trying to see what I should do for a TV Tuner card under Linux

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shwin:

i would rub cocoa butter on it, then start rubbing your....

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shwin:

er uh, nevermind.

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kb3ocf:

..I'm not even going to ask

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kb3ocf:

Basically I'm going to be streaming video using VLC coming from a TV tuner card, but I want to make sure that it doesn't just stream 'black' because the video stream just goes directly to the GPU and getting rendered..

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tank-man:

so your question is "which tv tuner cards work with linux? "

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kb3ocf:

no, no, no

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kb3ocf:

Yes, that is part of it, but which ones will work so I can stream it

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kb3ocf:

instead of just going straight to the GPU and getting rendered, it kinda has to dump it in a file or something like that (be procesed by the CPU) so I can stream that

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tank-man:

streaming would be up to the streaming program, and you just said you wanted to use vlc

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kb3ocf:

I don't HAVE to use VLC

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tank-man:

well, what you want to do can be done with mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

kb3ocf: if you are not buying a vvideocard+tuner combo card then you don';t have to worry about it going directly to the gpu

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kb3ocf:

you're completely sure about that, GreyFoxx?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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kb3ocf:

okay then =)

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kb3ocf:

heh, is it too much to ask if you're really good with VLC or being able to stream it from the tuner card =3

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GreyFoxx:

Think about it :) If the card is not directly built on to the video card....how would the data go directly to the gpu? It would have to pass through an application of some sort :)

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GreyFoxx:

kb3ocf: I stream directly from my cards via vlc all the time

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GreyFoxx:

both multicasts for multiple users to watch and regular streams where each user connect individually

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kb3ocf:

heh, cool

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kb3ocf:

thats pretty much what I want to do

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kb3ocf:

broadcast the TV tuner card across my network (so I can watch TV on my laptop)

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kb3ocf:

Mm, where is that list of the compatible TV tuner cards with Linux..

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GreyFoxx:

kb3ocf: Most people just use myth and run the frontend on each machien around their network

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GreyFoxx:

that's how myth workds

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kb3ocf:

hm

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GreyFoxx:

I have tuners in a machine in a my basement, and frontends around the house playing the video from that machine

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kb3ocf:

http://digitalboy.mythtvtalk.com/files/LinuxTvTunerGuide.pdf <-- Are these the only cards that will work in Linux?

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GreyFoxx:

No idea, I don't keep a list fo that sort of thing :)

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kb3ocf:

I need a cheap card, but one that works

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tank-man:

is 100$ cheap?

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kb3ocf:

no, I'm a poor highschool student :p

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kb3ocf:

<30 would be.. best

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tank-man:

with 30$, it will be hard to stream live tv

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tank-man:

what is the pc?

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tank-man:

there are 30$ cards you can use, they are mostly software cards

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kb3ocf:

is a software card the problem?

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tank-man:

encoding of the video is done by your main cpu

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kb3ocf:

*a problem

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tank-man:

not really

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kb3ocf:

tank-man, I'm not sure what the model number is, but its certainly a capable PC... Compaq Presario 1.8 GHz Sempron 3200+, 512 MB of RAM running Gentoo

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tank-man:

most people with cheap tv cards, capture in mjpeg (?) which takes lots of hdd space and after recording convert it to like divx or something smaller

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kb3ocf:

well, I'm kind of confused how this all works

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tank-man:

that looks like a capable machine

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** BSD_Tech wants to see a full house dvr setup **

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BSD_Tech:

1 pc with a tuner for each room

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BSD_Tech:

and a remote for each room

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BSD_Tech:

and have house controll

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BSD_Tech:

turn on and off lights

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BSD_Tech:

controol the sterio

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tank-man:

why have a tuner in each room? tahts what the backend is for

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BSD_Tech:

?

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BSD_Tech:

did not know still learnign about myth

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kb3ocf:

heh

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tank-man:

"1 pc with a tuner in each room" ... you can have one backend that does all the recording

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kb3ocf:

thats it, I just can't do this tongiht xD

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kb3ocf:

bye all, thanks

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shwin:

bsd_tech: you might want to start here: http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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BSD_Tech:

been readin that

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BSD_Tech:

the idea is to put the pc in 1 place with all the turners in 1 box

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sandeen_:

has anyone run into the problem that if you boot your mythbox with the display off (assuming a digital display of some sort... LCD HDTV in my case...) X can't read the EDID...

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sandeen_:

so when you then turn on the display, ENOSIGNAL?

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degreseven:

my lirc device node seems to have vanished & won't come back. i'm getting quite frustrated trying to figure it out, would anyone here be able to give me a hand?

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Dagmar:

Are you using a 2.6.x kernel?

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degreseven:

yes

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degreseven:

2.6.19-gentoo-r5

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Dagmar:

udev should have created the device node when the module was loaded

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Dagmar:

*Is* the lirc kernel module loaded?

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degreseven:

yeah, but it doesnt

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degreseven:

yes

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degreseven:

it loads with no errors

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degreseven:

this was working perfectly for months, the other night my machine froze solid while watching a recording

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degreseven:

ever since rebooting, no more /dev/lirc/0

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Dagmar:

tail -f /var/log/messages when it loads and see if it's coughing up any errors

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degreseven:

tried updating/ recompiling kernel, lirc, udev, ivtv, firmware...

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Dagmar:

Mainly I do not mess with the inner-workings of udev because so far it's "just worked" for me, so I've got pretty much zilch knowledge on debugging it

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Dagmar:

Make sure it's not decided to be named /dev/lirc0 instead of /dev/lirc/0

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degreseven:

Apr 6 20:56:23 ramrod lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

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Dagmar:

find /dev -name "lirc*" wouldn't be out of th question

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degreseven:

is the only thing that appears in the log

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degreseven:

/dev/lircd is the only lirc* in /dev

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degreseven:

the only error i can find is when i try to reset the ir receiver on the card with 'ivtvctl --reset-ir', which returns "ioctl VIDIOC_INT_RESET failed: Invalid argument"

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degreseven:

but that may be because i'm using the tool wrong, lol

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degreseven:

couldn't find any documentation for it

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degreseven:

ugh, gf is b****ing for me to come help her make dinner =P, if you have any other ideas, please leave them, i'll be back asap

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shwin:

i have an idea, make her cook dinner by her self

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shwin:

then you can do the needfull

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degreseven:

no kidding. "fix the remote. help me cook dinner. fold the laundry. stop pissing on the floor." Dammit woman I'm only one man!

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tank-man:

go thru the steps you did to install it

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LoneShadow:

Under mythvideo setup, if I set a movie file as non-browsable, it still shows up. Anyway to hide it ?

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Dagmar:

LoneShadow: You can fix the bug. ;)

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LoneShadow:

fixed imdb.pl :D

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LoneShadow:

will try to figure out the browsable part later :)

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visi:

anybody know how to bind a key to shutdown in myth?

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juski:

wuhhhh

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juski:

morning (I think)

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juski:

here's an interesting point to think on...

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juski:

I see SageTV for Linux only supports Hauppauge PVR cards

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juski:

wonder if they use ivtv or if they paid anybody to develop drivers...

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juski:

duh found the answer. they use ivtv

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juski:

oo that's cool. didn't know mythtv could do that. press R in the programme guide to schedule a recording – which I knew. Press R again & it cycles through some recording options. Been using myth for more than 2 years & didn't know it did that

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tank-man:

old news

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tank-man:

:)

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xris:

juski: so you may know this.. from the guide, how do you TUNE to that channel instead of trying to schedule a recording?

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tank-man:

press x

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xris:

I always expect enter to select/tune, but it always brings up the record menu.

[07:00:31]

juski:

there's also an option to set that

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xris:

X? annoying re-use of keys....

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tank-man:

yea, theres also a setting

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juski:

we might start using myth for livetv soon – our cable STB is getting ever more unreliable

[07:01:15]

** xris wishes mpeg2cut worked on HD recordings. **

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juski:

only ever used mythtv for playing recordings & videos/dvd

[07:02:34]

juski:

oh no wait a sec.. mrs juski mentioned she'd been talking at work about how much time she saves watching her soaps in timestretch mode

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juski:

xris: does it even try?

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juski:

just wondering what's impeding it.. it's all just mpeg2 isn't it

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frink_:

is sage a myth ripoff?

[07:06:18]

juski:

frink_: don't think so

[07:06:31]

juski:

maybe it is, maybe MCE is too

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frink_:

it looks oright.. nice remote.

[07:06:38]

juski:

I dunno which came first ;)

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frink_:

:)

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frink_:

myth of course....

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juski:

I know myth comes out _top_

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juski:

:)

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frink_:

have you tried sky- ?

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juski:

how easy have they made their own life though, those sagetv people – they only support so many tuner types of cards

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frink_:

yeah that does make life easier..

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juski:

I wouldn't try $ky+ if my manhood was on fire & they offered me a bucket of water

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frink_:

:)

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frink_:

mrs frink wanred sky+

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juski:

I've used it.. it's orrible

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juski:

it's prolly not bad until the weather takes a turn for the worse

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Dagmar:

Oh how rain does shut down those tiny little dishes

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frink_:

;-)

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juski:

.. also not bad til you lose all your recordings one day

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Dagmar:

People were going nuts here this week when the big rainstorm came through during the final phase of the basketball tournament

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frink_:

Dagmar: Hah, thats funny ;-) You need cable innit...

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juski:

frink_: series link isn't infallible

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frink_:

yeah I hard some stories about them loosing stuff..

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frink_:

what os does sky- run?

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juski:

they DO have a rather neat feature though.. watching livetv, you can press GREEN on your remote & it'll schedule a recording of the show being trailed

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juski:

frink_: no idea. probably a linux kernel

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frink_:

juski: Yeah my thoughts.. GPL? :)

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juski:

hmmm

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** frink_ thinks second hand sky+ would make a good M **

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frink_:

y

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frink_:

th frontend

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** juski thinks $ky+ is just another STB with a 200Mhz RISC CPU **

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frink_:

thats young master frink :)

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Dagmar:

Easier to buy a used notebook with a broken TFT

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juski:

nice _box_ for a myth frontend tho ;)

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juski:

get lcdproc to work with the front panel 'spinny' LEDs :-P

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frink_:

i need a better front end.. composite out from a VGA to composite converter looks crap. All the colous are washed out :( Need either a LCD TV with VGA in or – i duno...

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juski:

frink_: no svideo?

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frink_:

juski: no s-vid :( It was a cheap ASDA TV i got last year when our other telly died..

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juski:

you can get good results from a DIY VGA -> scart adapter I hear

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frink_:

yeah I saw some details for them.

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juski:

lol @ the ASDA goldfish bowl with composite input

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juski:

they still sell 4:3 tellies ffs

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frink_:

its actually not that goldfishy, quite flat. Just completely feature-less!

[07:15:42]

frink_:

tesco (of all people) have some good LCD TV deals.

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juski:

my inlaws bought a 100Hz TV last year & it's completely _useless_ at deinterlacing

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juski:

awful flickery picture

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frink_:

i had my doubts about them 100hz things

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juski:

they're all well & good if the picture processing is up to the job

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juski:

LCDs are sometimes not too hot at showing interlaced PAL either, so watch yerself

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frink_:

wont myth fix that?

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frink_:

(it's magic isnt it? ;-)

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juski:

yeah myth would if you can get it running at the native res of the display

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juski:

research your purchase thoroughly I'd say

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LoneShadow:

whats a good low profile agp card with dvi ?

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juski:

when I bought my current TV (from Kendalls, a house of fraser store) I took a DVD along & compared the set to one more expensive – wasn't worth paying the extra money ;)

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juski:

plus I got a free 5 year parts & labour (also free loan TV) warranty

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xris:

gardengnome: ping

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juski:

LoneShadow: fx5200 ?

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LoneShadow:

ok which fx5200 has dvi ? :)

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xris:

LoneShadow: a bunch?

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juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe . . . ch&meta=

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LoneShadow:

I found fx6200 low profile card with dvi

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frink_:

i may take a laptop with myth installed and see how it looks ;-)

[07:22:04]

juski:

I'm still looking for a better case than the one I'm using

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juski:

one with an IR window in front

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juski:

that isn't the size of a house

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LoneShadow:

juski: are you using vga or dvi connection ?

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juski:

haha neither

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LoneShadow:

s-video ?

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juski:

yup. only sdtv, see

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frink_:

juski: have you seen the efficient-pc pre-built myth boxes?

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LoneShadow:

this seems like a nice card :D

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LoneShadow:

now I gotta sell my other 5200 for this =/

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juski:

frink_: it's all about the separate FE/BE in my house

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xris:

LoneShadow: expensive card for a 5200

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LoneShadow:

xris: can you suggest a simillar card for cheaper ? :D

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juski:

just find an fx5200, low profile with DVI & a good price

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xris:

agp?

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LoneShadow:

also this card is only 64MB :(

[07:26:24]

LoneShadow:

yea agp

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juski:

LoneShadow: you don't need oodles & doodles of RAM on a VGA card for mythtv

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xris:

must be 5200 and not 6200?

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frink_:

LoneShadow: that card has composite out..

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LoneShadow:

must be a low profile AGP card with dvi and which supports xvmc

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LoneShadow:

I picked up a free after rebate 5200 agp card last month

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xris:

bunch on newegg for about $36 shipped

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LoneShadow:

it dosnt have dvi

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xris:

I've never had any luck with xvmc, though.. always runs slower when I turn it on

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frink_:

like a 32 inch LCD TV is 299 on the net.. They have this odd 1366 x 768 resolution – how do you make Xorg do that?

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juski:

modelines

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juski:

wouldn't be surprised if there's overscan to contend with too

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frink_:

why isnt life easy?

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frink_:

;-)

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xris:

frink_: the 1366x768 is actually a computer resolution, not a tv resolution.

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frink_:

xris: Does that mean it should be nice :)

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xris:

it should be relatively easy to get X to detect, yes

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juski:

I wouldn't expect that TV to look all too nice without your myth box doing the scaling, but I'm always willing to be surprised ;)

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LoneShadow:

is 5200 better than 6200 ?

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frink_:

juski: What do you use?

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juski:

panasonic TX32PK2

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juski:

32" wide CRT

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juski:

serves me well, has done for over 6 years now

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frink_:

yeah nothing like a good CRT IMO

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frink_:

S-vid?

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juski:

black blacks :)

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juski:

2 SCART (1 RGB/svideo, 1 svideo), svideo, composite

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** glarb is away: sleep **

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frink_:

i wold use s-vid and prob be happy if my cheap tatty telly had it ;-)

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juski:

what's tesco's returns policy like? can you get a refund if you find you're not happy for any reason?

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xris:

LoneShadow: "not really"... except that software hasn't caught up yet so the 6200 doesn't do color overlay (what mythtv uses for the OSD)

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LoneShadow:

xris: thanks

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juski:

too many places nowadays don't let you audition the gear

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frink_:

i dont i'll splash 1k on it.. 600 maybe.

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juski:

current set was about 800 with VCR

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juski:

oh yeah frink_ don't forget to ask if the telly you plan on buying "does digikal" :-P

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juski:

or is it "digicle" ? ;)

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frink_:

juski: does it have the stat-o-lite ?

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juski:

lol

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kormoc:

t0ny-p40, google knows

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juski:

frink_: nowadays they just call it $ky :(

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frink_:

t0ny-p40: ps -x | grep mythbackend

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kormoc:

frink_, pgrep would likely be better

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frink_:

i need to pay my sone some attention before he wresks the joint ;-) bbl

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frink_:

kormoc: yes pgrep would :)

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kormoc:

check the --help and see if there's a --pidfile option, if so, use it, if not, use something else

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t0ny-p40:

I dident see it I was hoping there was a hidden one.

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MarkFeathers:

I'm trying to run just a frontend but it isnt working. The frontend can't connect to the master server, but connects to the mysql server (same server) just fine. Is there somewhere else that is specified?

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xris:

MarkFeathers: what is your master server configured as? did you accidentally set it to 127.0.0.1?

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MarkFeathers:

xris: what exactly do I have to change to configure it to something else. When i run frontend from terminal, it connects to the database just fine, but when I watch tv or try to save settings it tries to connect to 127.0.0.1;6543

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xris:

MarkFeathers: personally, I'd just change it manually in the db, but I think there's a way to do it via mythtv-setup

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MarkFeathers:

xris: See heres a problem, I'm running ubuntu. On my laptop (where I'm trying to set up just a frontend) I installed mythtv-frontend and nothing else. mythtv-setup doesn't exist

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xris:

MarkFeathers: run it on the backend?

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xris:

the master backend IP is a single setting in the db.

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xris:

it's not per-host

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MarkFeathers:

oh, then that would probably be it

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MarkFeathers:

I thought that was stored locally

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xris:

only setting stored locally is the db info in mysql.txt

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EnterUserName:

is anyone familiar with dvdauthor

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MarkFeathers:

xris: Yea that fixed it, thanks

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xris:

MarkFeathers: :)

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EnterUserName:

im having problems with spumux

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EnterUserName:

its saying it can not load the png select/highlight files

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EnterUserName:

.. if anyone knows about it i can show u the url im trying to follow :)

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juski:

png select/highlight sounds more like dvdauthor than spumux

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EnterUserName:

juski: im followinf these instructions http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=117709

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juski:

to do what?

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EnterUserName:

and its saying to configure hightlight/select png

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EnterUserName:

to make a menu :)

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EnterUserName:

for my nuvexport dvd

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juski:

what's wrong with mytharchive?

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EnterUserName:

bad quality

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EnterUserName:

the dvd quality looks really bad

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juski:

you likely won't get better quality from that forum method either

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juski:

mythachive uses the same programs

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EnterUserName:

it appears i am :S

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EnterUserName:

let me double check

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juski:

you might have something screwed up in yer settings

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EnterUserName:

hrm.. im using fixes. i dont know there's not many options in mytharchive from the frontend

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EnterUserName:

im trying bth hq and sp formats

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EnterUserName:

erk im using a gentoo build.. not fixes

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juski:

how much video are you trying to fit on one dvd?

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EnterUserName:

i tried 2GIGS

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EnterUserName:

and 4 gigs

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EnterUserName:

so its about 1 hour

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EnterUserName:

it looks fine in my video player

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juski:

do you use a framegrabber to record tv?

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EnterUserName:

framegrabber?

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EnterUserName:

im not sure . what that is

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juski:

are your source recordings in mpeg2?

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juski:

or are they all .nuv ?

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EnterUserName:

oh there mpeg2

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juski:

what capture resolution do you use?

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juski:

the default of 480x480 ?

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EnterUserName:

it was that

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EnterUserName:

however i changed it to 720x480

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xris:

EnterUserName: and changed the bitrate?

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EnterUserName:

i havent tried a later recording

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juski:

if you intend to archive to dvd you should record at 720x480 for NTSC

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EnterUserName:

hmm let me try using mytharchive on my newer recordings

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juski:

the resizing of video is prolly what causes the massive quality loss

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EnterUserName:

nuvexpot handles htat better?

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juski:

re-encoding mpeg2 is never clean

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juski:

it's _very_ lossy

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EnterUserName:

ok

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EnterUserName:

but now i have a problem with my previous recordings ;)

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EnterUserName:

so nuvexport would look the same?

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juski:

what was the issue you noticed anyway?

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EnterUserName:

blotches

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EnterUserName:

in the recording

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juski:

blocking?

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EnterUserName:

blotches

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juski:

like lego bricks?

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EnterUserName:

its blurry

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EnterUserName:

ya

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juski:

yeah that'd be the symptom of resizing & re-encoding

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EnterUserName:

oh

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EnterUserName:

ok

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EnterUserName:

but nuvexport doesnt appear to have that problem..

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juski:

yeah but is it leaving the video at 480x480 ?

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juski:

some players will not cope with a nonstandard resolution

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EnterUserName:

i dont think so..

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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juski:

you could have a look at mythburn.pl which is the script that does all the mytharchive magic

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juski:

find out what options it uses to do the rescaling

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

sstill wouldn't mind knowing what im doing wrogn with dvdauthor though

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EnterUserName:

and sumux: (

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EnterUserName:

it would be cool to do my own backgrounds:)

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juski:

the commandline options have probably changed

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EnterUserName:

you mean the xml/

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EnterUserName:

its complaining it dosnt like the png file..

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juski:

heh

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juski:

I only ever used to get segfaults when i tried the tools on gentoo

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EnterUserName:

i'm almost there too lol just the select/highlights

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juski:

what exactly does it say about the png file?

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EnterUserName:

umm cannot load it -1

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juski:

you skipped a step?

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juski:

maybe it's looking for pngs of the subtitles & complaining that it can't find em

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EnterUserName:

hrm i dont want subtitles .. ill do a bit more looking.

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juski:

I suspect you have to change the command you're using to _not_ include the subtitles which don't exist ;)

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juski:

read _between_ the lines, not skip bits :-P

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EnterUserName:

well there's one little step i messed up on .. do you use ginmp at all juski?

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EnterUserName:

Whenit says select menu colors map rotate colors i never saw a rotate color option

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EnterUserName:

so i just refilled it.

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juski:

not a big fan of gimp tbh

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EnterUserName:

neither am i lol

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EnterUserName:

just trying to do word for word :p

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EnterUserName:

with the exception of subtitleslet me see if i can find a better how to

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EnterUserName:

bebtter yet let me look at myths way

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juski:

trying mytharchive now meself actually

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juski:

been meaning to revisit it

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gbee:

take some holy water and a cross

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juski:

hahaha

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EnterUserName:

im not very knowledgeable about python..

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juski:

"the power of God COMPELLS you!"

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EnterUserName:

thats the probklem :)

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juski:

gbee: did that ffmpeg line sort you out yesterday?

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gbee:

unfortunately not, didn't create dvd compatible streams – when I tried with -target pal-dvd it increased the file size nearly double, so I gave up

[09:00:55]

juski:

weird

[09:01:04]

EnterUserName:

gbee: any how tos you can recommend for dvdauthor?

[09:01:19]

juski:

normally all you have to do with dvb recordings is strip out the cruft, which that line does with aplomb

[09:02:51]

gbee:

juski: dvdauthor complained something about ids going the wrong way and insisted I re-mplex the file (which I wasn't prepared to do as the whole point was to avoid using avidemux

[09:03:15]

gbee:

EnterUserName: no, sorry

[09:04:36]

juski:

gbee: hmm I have to admit I've never tried it with dvdauthor – usually just drop it into my windows dvd authoring app & I've never seen it want to transcode / replex

[09:05:22]

juski:

ah maybe you _do_ need to remux it to make the PIDs sensible again

[09:05:44]

juski:

cos they'll still have the labels they were broadcast with AFAIK

[09:06:11]

juski:

dvdauthor must be a stickler!

[09:07:09]

juski:

gonna have to read up on my mpeg again, learn the differences between TS & PS.. I know the bones but not the details

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jvs:

good morning

[09:08:06]

juski:

oo 40 mins to do 1.5 hours of video

[09:08:13]

juski:

making the iso image now :)

[09:08:18]

juski:

morning jvs

[09:09:03]

jvs:

hi juski

[09:09:17]

juski:

finished! started at 09:37

[09:09:25]

juski:

that's more like half an hour :)

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[09:11:51]

juski:

OMG!

[09:11:54]

juski:

it worked!!!!!!!

[09:12:46]

juski:

hahaha LOVE that background musak

[09:12:56]

juski:

sounds like lifts I've been in

[09:14:16]

juski:

so gbee from what I can gather, the tools mytharchive uses are still very hit & miss with our UK DVB streams

[09:14:45]

juski:

that test was v. encouraging though.. never had it go so smoothly

[09:15:56]

phatmonkey:

is there a widescreen version of retro?

[09:16:57]

juski:

nah

[09:19:18]

juski:

why not make one?

[09:19:33]

juski:

I'm sure gerhard would appreciate it if you did :)

[09:20:08]

phatmonkey:

i'm no image expert... i can just about resize images with the gimp and that's about it really!

[09:20:18]

juski:

you shouldn't have to resize anything

[09:20:39]

phatmonkey:

i'll probabky have to edit images i mean, won't i?

[09:20:44]

juski:

AFAIK Retro uses a load of the default mythtv UI images

[09:20:49]

phatmonkey:

i don't really have much time at the moment anywho :(

[09:21:09]

phatmonkey:

well i might take a look if i find some time to burn

[09:21:53]

juski:

you likely need to resize the background image

[09:21:59]

juski:

just trying it now

[09:22:06]

juski:

copied Retro to Retro-wide

[09:22:24]

juski:

if I wasn't using my themes I'd use Retro :)

[09:22:55]

juski:

ahh there's some work to be done there

[09:24:10]

gbee:

juski: sorry, went to make some tea

[09:24:43]

juski:

all I need try now is make mythachive use the cutlists for 'bad girls' & I can get rid of em off of my HDD

[09:25:07]

juski:

gbee: ah np ;)

[09:25:37]

juski:

phatmonkey: IMHO you might aswell make a new wide theme _based_ on retro

[09:25:53]

juski:

what is it you like about Retro so much? the background & the menu images?

[09:26:03]

gbee:

it works but doesn't do it well imho – it takes 4–5x the space of the final DVD in diskspace, it insists on doing an mpeg2-mpeg2 transcode when it's not needed (to fix audio sync which wasn't broken) and the final menu images are horribly compressed

[09:26:04]

juski:

cos the rest of it just looks like base mythtv theme to me

[09:27:27]

juski:

phatmonkey: you know what'd be a quicker job to do – take blootubelite-wide & put Retro's background in there (get rid of all the custom backgrounds I put in blootube), then just tweak theme.xml to make the menus look 'right' ;)

[09:27:53]

juski:

prolly take a couple of hours

[09:28:08]

gbee:

I'm also not 100% happy with the interface and it's menu consumption (uses a tonne even before it starts the creation process)

[09:28:13]

phatmonkey:

actually looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes

[09:28:20]

phatmonkey:

mythcenter-wide looks like a pretty nice theme

[09:28:22]

juski:

oh yeah replace the menu images too

[09:28:29]

juski:

phatmonkey: apart from its name

[09:28:34]

phatmonkey:

yuh

[09:28:43]

juski:

YABT !

[09:28:48]

juski:

(yet another blue theme!)

[09:29:09]

juski:

gbee: yeah some of the layout is damn hard to navigate

[09:29:40]

juski:

it's not infathomable, but different to other areas of myth, which ain't best

[09:30:26]

juski:

haha! nobody's reported this little bug in neon-wide yet... wrong button image

[09:30:46]

juski:

gawd you can test for days & weeks & still not catch everything

[09:31:11]

gbee:

I have to be honest and say that I wouldn't have allowed mytharchive in svn in it's current state

[09:31:48]

gbee:

if it's going to be released with 0.21 then it needs work, if only to sort out the memory problems

[09:32:57]

** gbee sees a five pound note sitting on his desk and is reminded of a dream he had last night **

[09:33:25]

gbee:

don't remember what the dream was about, but it involved that £5 note

[09:33:57]

juski:

strange

[09:34:46]

gbee:

indeed

[09:34:53]

juski:

I dream of bigger sums though ;)

[09:35:03]

gbee:

hehe

[09:36:01]

juski:

woke up with a nasty cramp in my leg this morning. not a good way to start the day, yelling out in pain

[09:38:07]

gbee:

:(

[09:39:03]

EnterUserName:

hrm

[09:39:15]

EnterUserName:

i still cant get the autoselect to work. hrm

[09:39:17]

juski:

was over soon enough though once I remembered I had to flex it about a bit.

[09:40:08]

gardengnome:

re

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frink_:

Hey. Anybody used the Mirai LCDs ?

[09:48:03]

gbee:

329 tickets :(

[09:48:15]

gardengnome:

gbee: umm, mytharchive was already released with 0.20 :)

[09:48:17]

frink_:

Hey gbee that recording schedule failure went away with a reboot. I have some logs and have half opened a ticket.

[09:49:12]

gbee:

gardengnome: oh dear :) well still can be fixed for 0.21

[09:50:18]

gbee:

frink_: I'll let you decide, if you think it was a one off and not reproducible then don't bother opening a ticket

[09:50:22]

gardengnome:

gbee: the user interface itself can be pretty confusing. when i first used it, i was wondering why i had to choose the stuff i wanted to burn like three times.

[09:50:37]

gardengnome:

gbee: actually, the first time i used it there were no menu buttons which made it even harder. ;)

[09:50:38]

gbee:

gardengnome: yeah

[09:51:33]

EnterUserName:

id on know what im doing wrong to use the hightlight picture.

[09:51:52]

frink_:

gbee: it has happened before but I do not know if I can re-produce it'... I'll try though ;-)

[09:51:53]

gbee:

I really want to know why it chews up so much memory just navigating the menus, it's screwy

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gbee:

frink_: if it's a bug then obviously we want to fix it – but without some way to reproduce or evidence of the problem in the log there really isn't anything that can be done :(

[09:54:04]

gbee:

my first question would be whether it's running reschedule after you create the schedule

[09:58:28]

frink_:

gbee: Hmm, how would I find out? Is there some extra logging I can run?

[09:59:09]

gbee:

reschedule requests are shown in the normal log usually

[10:00:03]

gbee:

"Reschedule requested for id ??" followed by "Scheduled ??? items in blah, blah blah"

[10:01:24]

frink_:

ok i'll look

[10:02:37]

PointyPumper:

is there any way of adding information about channels on xmltv?

[10:03:02]

PointyPumper:

like channel frequency?

[10:03:58]

gardengnome:

PointyPumper: um, check the xmltv specification?

[10:04:16]

PointyPumper:

yeap, theres nothing in there :/

[10:04:30]

PointyPumper:

(the "specification" is an example xml commented)

[10:04:31]

PointyPumper:

:/

[10:04:52]

PointyPumper:

(at least 2 months ago)

[10:04:54]

gbee:

the DTD is what you want

[10:05:01]

PointyPumper:

dtd?

[10:05:19]

gbee:

http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/ . . . ?view=markup

[10:06:31]

gbee:

to answer your question though – no, there is no support for frequency

[10:06:44]

PointyPumper:

:( dang

[10:06:47]

PointyPumper:

thx anyway

[10:07:00]

gbee:

which makes sense as that information isn't normally provided from the sources of programme schedules

[10:07:25]

PointyPumper:

i've read that zat2it has it or something like that :/

[10:07:50]

gbee:

you could always ask the xmltv devs to provide it if it can be justified

[10:09:30]

PointyPumper:

first i have to port my grabber to python xD

[10:09:42]

PointyPumper:

dont wanna ask for things wouthout colaborating xD

[10:11:17]

gardengnome:

there's a new xmltv DTD, but it's not used i think :)

[10:11:35]

PointyPumper:

uhmm, lets see

[10:12:22]

PointyPumper:

i mean, not python, pearl xD

[10:12:41]

gbee:

gardengnome: think it's pretty much abandoned

[10:13:02]

gbee:

which is just as well, don't really want to re-write the mythtv parser

[10:13:03]

gardengnome:

gbee: yeah. nxtvepg supports it, but i haven't seen it elsewhere.

[10:13:41]

** gardengnome cuts some commercials.. **

[10:14:08]

gbee:

I seem to remember the argument being that the current DTD works well and so there was little point in causing confusion by using the new one

[10:14:41]

gardengnome:

if i have a cut point that's sourrounded by two other markers. will this affect transcoding? the affected part would be thrown away anyways

[10:15:01]

gbee:

which is a good philosophy, wish more projects would use it

[10:15:09]

gardengnome:

right. KISS.

[10:15:42]

gbee:

gardengnome: as soon as you exit editing, such cutpoints are discarded

[10:15:58]

gardengnome:

gbee: nice, thanks

[10:16:06]

gardengnome:

i tend to feel guilty and remove them manually.

[10:16:17]

gbee:

1-> ..... <-2 ..... <-3

[10:16:20]

PointyPumper:

goign to bed

[10:16:22]

PointyPumper:

thx for all

[10:16:24]

PointyPumper:

c ya

[10:16:27]

gbee:

#2 would be ignored

[10:17:01]

gbee:

1-> ..... <-2 ..... 3->

[10:17:09]

gbee:

it wouldn't :)

[10:17:28]

gardengnome:

heh, right :)

[10:18:04]

gardengnome:

i wonder why i actually bothered to record "alien vs predator". i'm sure they cut out all the.. interesting scenes.

[10:22:34]

newbie:

hi folks anyone from ch here ? or someone using the mantis driver ?

[10:23:14]

gardengnome:

newbie: you are more likely to get an answer when you ask a real question ;)

[10:27:04]

gardengnome:

/dev/hda6 105G 105G 20K 100% /data

[10:27:09]

** gardengnome pulls his hair **

[10:31:22]

gardengnome:

it's not exactly a good thing when the FS gets filled up like that.

[10:31:46]

gardengnome:

i have told mythtv to keep at least one gig free. won't it stop recording once it can't autoexpire any recordings?

[10:33:53]

gardengnome:

i suspect it also gets filled up by transcoding jobs.

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newbie:

gardengnome: there is no real question yet, just were wondering if someone with a similar config from ch is here, just in case a question raises after my kernel has compiled

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Dphin:

Hello

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Dphin:

I'm trying to use mytharchive to create a DVD, but it's only running at under 5% CPU usage. Does anyone know how I can speed it up?

[13:30:11]

gardengnome:

gbee: it doesn't even make sense that mytharchive offers you to choose an "encoder profile" after you've choosen the recordings. i mean, it's pretty much supposed to fill up the DVD after that.

[13:30:50]

** gardengnome grumbles and loads his recordings in avidemux to make them DVD compliant **

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gardengnome:

ah well, i'll just let mytharchive take care of it *sigh*

[13:32:27]

gbee:

Dphin: you're lucky, I have trouble getting mytharchive to do anything but hog resources

[13:33:31]

Dphin:

:p – it was running at about 60% earlier, that was nice

[13:35:18]

gardengnome:

oh, nice! it looks like mytharchive only suggest to re-encode if the file is not DVD compliant.

[13:36:01]

Dphin:

I'm just checking if avidemux will help. I didn't think that'd be able to open .nuvs

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Chicago:

mornin juski

[13:42:37]

juski:

afternoon Chicago

[13:42:50]

gardengnome:

hey juski

[13:42:58]

juski:

hiya gardengnome

[13:43:58]

gardengnome:

sftp is way too slow.

[13:44:30]

juski:

must be all the encrippling it uses ;)

[13:44:33]

gardengnome:

yep

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Chicago:

gardengnome: Is the speed because of active vs. passive connection?

[13:44:59]

gardengnome:

i'm transferring 13G recordings at 2.4M/S :/

[13:45:04]

gardengnome:

Chicago: sftp is not ftp

[13:45:27]

gardengnome:

and active or passive mode shouldn't really make a difference in transfer speeds via ftp

[13:46:04]

Chicago:

Well, transfer speeds no... but opening a control connection for everything adds latency. I get confused with all the acronyms... I though sftp was secure ftp.

[13:46:05]

janneg:

gardengnome: I can scp'ing files with 18mbyte/s

[13:46:51]

gardengnome:

janneg: i blame it on the meagre cpu in the mythtv box. it's busy mythtranscoding, too.

[13:48:14]

gbee:

sftp is secure ftp but it's got little to do with normal ftp

[13:48:20]

gardengnome:

Chicago: sure. it might be similar to ftp, but it's not the same thing. and heaven forbid they still used those ugly active/passive mode hacks

[13:54:07]

janneg:

to be precise sftp is a completely different protocol than ftp

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Chicago:

gardengnome: Well, I'm glad there is something better than FTP... I could never get FTP proxy to work right for me on my firewall anyway.

[14:08:22]

gardengnome:

"FTP proxy" sounds ugly.

[14:08:35]

gardengnome:

right, ftp is a nightmware for firewall administrators.

[14:09:00]

gardengnome:

i wanted a "block all, allow some" policy on my server, that's why i decided to use sftp.

[14:09:10]

Chicago:

Based on FTP?

[14:09:14]

Chicago:

I mean IP address

[14:09:27]

gardengnome:

no, based on port.

[14:10:35]

Chicago:

The OpenBSD firewall "Packet Filter" or just pf is pretty kicka$$ for paying no money and getting things done at the end of the day. Well, I take that back... $50... I had to buy a book to learn howto use it.

[14:11:02]

gardengnome:

i installed shorewall. it's pretty easy to use and quite powerful

[14:11:16]

gardengnome:

i couldn't bring myself to learn netfilter/iptables after having seen pf.

[14:11:46]

Chicago:

yeah man... pf is nice and leet

[14:12:02]

gardengnome:

actually, i didn't even learn pf because i knew i wouldn't be using openbsd. but i liked it. :)

[14:12:33]

gbee:

I use shorewall on my main firewall/router – didn't really try anything else other than iptables directly though

[14:13:02]

juski:

I was tempted to use a spare machine as firewall/router then realised how much power it'd eat

[14:13:14]

Chicago:

gbee: queues and throttling is pretty nice to do with the pf

[14:13:27]

gbee:

on the other machines in the network I was happy just to use the Mandriva firewall app that handles iptables for me

[14:13:33]

Chicago:

juski: 80watts? lol

[14:13:49]

gardengnome:

juski: umm, you already have a spare athlon box that's on24/7. it wouldn't be concerned anymore.

[14:13:54]

juski:

Chicago: my hardware router/nat box doesn't even consume 10

[14:13:56]

gardengnome:

Chicago: are you from the US? :)

[14:14:05]

Chicago:

gardengnome: Yes

[14:14:23]

gardengnome:

Chicago: power is a bit more expensive in europe

[14:14:29]

juski:

gardengnome: yeah but longer term I'm gonna investigate sending it to sleep when I'm in bed

[14:14:45]

gardengnome:

juski: good boy. save the environment yadda yadda

[14:14:52]

juski:

a bit? I pay Â£0.10 per kW/h

[14:14:56]

gbee:

juski: I'm using it as a firewall/router in addition to handling other things like my svn repo and development http server – so it would be on during the day anyway

[14:14:57]

gardengnome:

i wish ffmpeg was faster.

[14:15:03]

Chicago:

In the US, I turn on extra monitors and computers for heat in the winter... cause I just need my desk area warm... just me here

[14:15:28]

juski:

even if it's only powered down for 4 or 5 hours a day it'll make a difference :)

[14:15:34]

gardengnome:

Chicago: i used to overclock my box for that.. until i realized that central heating is cheaper.

[14:15:41]

gardengnome:

juski: yep! more drugs ÃŸo/

[14:15:46]

gardengnome:

err, o/

[14:15:57]

gardengnome:

i really hate this old keyboard, but my new one (cherry) broke :/

[14:16:12]

juski:

gardengnome: problems loading UT ? ;)

[14:16:20]

gbee:

however now I've learnt the guts of things like named, shorewall etc I probably would be happy to switch to a hardware firewall/router just for the ease of use

[14:16:36]

gardengnome:

juski: takes a bit, indeed. mytharchive is busy. ;)

[14:16:53]

Chicago:

yall play UT?

[14:16:55]

gardengnome:

gbee: openwrt based devices can do a lot of stuff.

[14:17:09]

gardengnome:

Chicago: no, but we've installed mythtv. there's certain.. similarities.

[14:17:31]

Chicago:

I figured the UT you mentioned was Unreal Tournament... or no?

[14:17:32]

gardengnome:

Chicago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRF7LKM47uA

[14:17:38]

gardengnome:

Chicago: yep. unreal tournament.

[14:18:12]

gbee:

played the old one, a few years ago but I haven't played any computer games in the last couple of years

[14:18:25]

gardengnome:

i love the unreal tournament games, but i don't play much

[14:18:27]

juski:

I even paid for a download of it. got tired of idiots yelling "nooob!" at me so I gave up

[14:18:30]

gbee:

coincided with my switch to linux mainly

[14:18:33]

Chicago:

ROTFLMAO

[14:19:46]

gbee:

never was a huge UT fan – after Q2 I quickly got bored of the 'arcade' shooters and preferred tactical/realism games

[14:20:21]

Chicago:

UT was more of vicodin based training back at my college.

[14:20:23]

gbee:

I'd be playing Armed Assault right now, if I didn't have to install Windows to do it :(

[14:20:31]

juski:

bugger. can't find the 'wrong' watermark image I thought I saw this morning

[14:21:03]

gbee:

that reminds me, still need to swap the DVD watermark for the video one

[14:21:18]

Chicago:

I love that video.

[14:21:34]

gardengnome:

juski: hey, i think i found a problem with neon-wide. in mytharchive, when you choose the encoder profile, i can't see the values for "old filze size" and "new file size". i can get a screenshot for you later.

[14:21:57]

juski:

I didn't theme mytharchive so it must be a qtlook.txt issue :(

[14:22:04]

gardengnome:

juski: ah, ok.

[14:22:12]

juski:

send the screenshot anyway

[14:22:30]

gbee:

one watermark missing for the "Import Files" option in the Music Tools menu

[14:22:32]

gardengnome:

juski: i'll do it later. it's busy transcoding natural born killers ;)

[14:23:00]

juski:

gbee: that'll be because it's new I bet

[14:23:13]

gbee:

yeah :)

[14:23:15]

gardengnome:

music tools? import files? :)

[14:23:29]

juski:

aha! the 'archive files' submenu has de wong waterymarky

[14:24:17]

gbee:

something PaulH, I think, added to 'import' music from any dir on your machine into the mythmusic directory

[14:24:34]

juski:

gardengnome: got the orig & new file size values on my frontend

[14:24:52]

gbee:

thought it might just be easier to run 'cp' myself but there you go

[14:25:30]

gardengnome:

juski: weird. i'll look into it later

[14:25:44]

juski:

but wah! me no wanty use commandline thingies! whine!

[14:25:50]

juski:

;)

[14:26:26]

gardengnome:

well, it's really easier to do it with your remote.

[14:26:57]

juski:

you should try using midnight commander with a remote. sheesh on a stick!

[14:27:07]

gardengnome:

i've tried using k3b on my TV screen

[14:27:10]

gardengnome:

it was horrible :)

[14:28:12]

juski:

forget to mention – had an email from someone who wants to use my mythtv videos in something yesterday

[14:28:23]

juski:

need to stick some CC icons on my webshite I fink

[14:28:42]

gbee:

well the point being that you would have downloaded/ripped those music files onto the machine somehow and probably not with a remote

[14:28:44]

juski:

free to use, don't mess widdit and credit me oh yay

[14:28:57]

gardengnome:

gbee: usb stick? :)

[14:29:11]

gbee:

hmm, hadn't considered that

[14:29:15]

gbee:

ok, you win

[14:29:26]

gardengnome:

gbee: like, when a friend rips your music for you and brings it over...

[14:29:35]

juski:

pah!

[14:29:53]

gbee:

friend? what is this word 'friend'?

[14:29:55]

gbee:

;)

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gardengnome:

gbee: someone you pay to talk to you

[14:30:25]

gardengnome:

;)

[14:30:25]

gbee:

ahh, you mean prostitute

[14:30:30]

juski:

join #mythtv-paid-support

[14:30:33]

gardengnome:

uh.. yeah..

[14:30:39]

gbee:

heh

[14:30:57]

gardengnome:

#mythtv-users: rated PG

[14:30:59]

juski:

deposit $100 and ask a question...

[14:31:12]

juski:

"hey can I ask a question about mytharchive?"

[14:31:14]

Chicago:

I joined #mythtv-paid-support... you probably could build a good economy there.

[14:31:20]

juski:

credit now $0

[14:31:38]

gbee:

actually last time I 'borrowed' some mp3s from a friend I took the whole harddrive and copied over the lot

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gbee:

wasn't long before I'd deleted most of them though – we didn't share the same tastes in music ;)

[14:33:46]

gardengnome:

it's always the same sad old story :/

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schwin:

man this zap2it thing is bullshit :( have over 20 dupes recording today/tomorrow heh

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gbee:

guy meets friend, friend has shitty taste in music, guy deletes his mp3s

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gbee:

the circle of life

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schwin:

heh nice.

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schwin:

i hope zap2it fixes this soon :(

[14:37:19]

schwin:

been goin on a few weeks now no?

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schwin:

pretty sure i started seeing a good portion of my programs going 'generic' back in march

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fryfrog:

schwin: yeah, i know what you mean. and a number of them have been flat out wrong too :(

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fryfrog:

plus they aren't giving any status, so i just keep doing an update all every day or two to see if it is fixed

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** juski wishes there was a key for forcing myth to reload all the images **

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xzcvczx:

anyone actually know the black magic of mencoder/transcoder?

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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MythLogBot:

mike3_ is here and has been idle for 2 days 22 hours 28 minutes 11 seconds

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juski:

cheeseboy: feeling left out? ;)

[15:13:09]

cheeseboy:

uh i guess

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cheeseboy:

i need some help fixin gentoo

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cheeseboy:

#gentoo's been no help

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juski:

so did I once, hence ubuntu

[15:16:09]

xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: whats the problem?

[15:17:48]

cheeseboy:

xzcvczx well python-updater isn't working because configure: error: gnomeapplet module required to build deskbar and gnome-applets won't install because ImportError: No module named libxml2mod

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xzcvczx:

have you got /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/libxml2mod.*

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juski:

hahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LAXg_UmzTY&am . . . &search=

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xzcvczx:

juski: you wouldnt be pointing to the copyright breakers would you :P

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juski:

it's them thar uploaders who will be damned. ya-harrrrrrr

[15:22:50]

xzcvczx:

lol

[15:23:10]

cheeseboy:

xzcvczx no

[15:23:21]

xzcvczx:

emerge libxml2?

[15:23:25]

cheeseboy:

yes

[15:23:37]

xzcvczx:

make sure python use flag is enabled for it

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cheeseboy:

USE="ipv6 python readline -debug -doc -test"

[15:24:42]

xzcvczx:

and its already emerged?

[15:24:49]

cheeseboy:

yes

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xzcvczx:

try locate libxml2mod

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cheeseboy:

how?

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xzcvczx:

type that in

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xzcvczx:

without the try

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cheeseboy:

bash: libxml2mod: command not found

[15:26:17]

xzcvczx:

with the locate

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xzcvczx:

as in 'locate libxml2mod'

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cheeseboy:

bash: locate: command not found

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xzcvczx:

reply with this

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xzcvczx:

/exec -o export | grep PATH

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tehmaze:

hello

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xzcvczx:

actually dont

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xzcvczx:

do that into a pm with me

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tehmaze:

after compiling and setting up mythtv, and running mythtv-setup, I see no entries in the cardinput database, is this normal?

[15:28:53]

tehmaze:

*table

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Chicago:

tehmaze: Did you just start? Have you created a database?

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xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: or emerge slocate

[15:29:58]

tehmaze:

there is one in the capturecard table

[15:30:54]

cheeseboy:

xzcvczx ok now what?

[15:31:11]

xzcvczx:

now do locate libxml2mod again

[15:31:46]

cheeseboy:

didn't output anything

[15:31:54]

gardengnome:

heh

[15:31:57]

xzcvczx:

yeah figured it might not

[15:32:05]

gardengnome:

i really wouldn't read the "locate" manual to a gentoo user ;)

[15:32:18]

xzcvczx:

try emerge libxml2 again

[15:32:25]

xzcvczx:

like tell it to redo it

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xzcvczx:

gardengnome: meh its 3:30am on easter sunday here what else am i to do

[15:33:11]

gardengnome:

right, heh

[15:33:26]

cheeseboy:

ok

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xzcvczx:

gardengnome: i had a good day yesterday got my 42" plasma mounted on the wall and got a dishwasher finally :)

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xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: btw do you just want to tell me what version of libxml2 you are emerging?

[15:38:17]

cheeseboy:

2.6.27

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xzcvczx:

and also paste in emerge -pv python (just the [ebuild..... line)

[15:43:31]

xzcvczx:

ahhhh

[15:43:51]

cheeseboy:

?

[15:43:58]

xzcvczx:

2.5

[15:44:20]

cheeseboy:

i had samething with 2.4

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xzcvczx:

oh

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xzcvczx:

try ls /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/libxml2mod*

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cheeseboy:

/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/libxml2mod.la

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cheeseboy:

/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/libxml2mod.so

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xzcvczx:

success

[15:48:40]

cheeseboy:

k..

[15:49:10]

xzcvczx:

ummm

[15:49:11]

cheeseboy:

emerge gnome-applets again?

[15:49:22]

xzcvczx:

well try it

[15:50:39]

cheeseboy:

i need a faster cpu :(

[15:51:33]

xzcvczx:

lol

[15:53:19]

cheeseboy:

still not working

[15:53:28]

cheeseboy:

want me to pastebin log

[15:53:29]

cheeseboy:

?

[15:53:34]

xzcvczx:

yeah

[15:54:05]

xzcvczx:

its a bit funny how locate isnt picking it up tho

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gbee:

probably need to run updatedb first

[15:57:52]

cheeseboy:

me?

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gbee:

sudo updatedb

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gbee:

updates the locate database

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xzcvczx:

gbee: duh true sorry

[15:59:13]

cheeseboy:

so updatedb to fix locate?

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xzcvczx:

i think i have found the problem anyway

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gbee:

yeah

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xzcvczx:

why is python in /usr/local/bin

[15:59:55]

xzcvczx:

/usr/local/lib*

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cheeseboy:

cause i accidentall uninstalled it

[16:00:20]

cheeseboy:

then installed manually

[16:00:33]

cheeseboy:

then installed with emerge again

[16:00:48]

xzcvczx:

well theres the problem

[16:01:01]

xzcvczx:

have you removed the manually installed one

[16:01:08]

cheeseboy:

no

[16:01:18]

xzcvczx:

well do that

[16:01:26]

xzcvczx:

thats the problem

[16:01:37]

xzcvczx:

may this be a lesson to you

[16:01:51]

xzcvczx:

NEVER UNINSTALL PYTHON FROM GENTOO

[16:02:26]

cheeseboy:

how do i uninstall it?

[16:02:29]

gardengnome:

and never ever tell people trying to support you that you messed up in the past.. just pretend that everything is ok. :>

[16:02:43]

xzcvczx:

go to where the makefile is and do make uninstall

[16:02:50]

cheeseboy:

i tried that

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xzcvczx:

gardengnome: lol but then they work it out anyway looking at logs :P

[16:03:00]

cheeseboy:

make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop.

[16:03:12]

gardengnome:

xzcvczx: no kidding. ;)

[16:03:18]

xzcvczx:

well look at the makefile and see what the labels are

[16:03:45]

xzcvczx:

gardengnome: althought it would just cause them to look at the ebuild to see whether something was wrong there

[16:07:16]

xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: ok well if you cant find anything like uninstall then check there is nothing you need in /usr/local/bin and rm /usr/local/bin/* and rm -r /usr/local/lib/python2.5

[16:07:56]

phedny:

is there any alternative to run mythtv-setup without X? I'm trying to setup a backend system on a monitor-less server with DVB card

[16:08:04]

anykey_:

phedny: use ssh -X

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cheeseboy:

xzcvczx then what?

[16:13:39]

xzcvczx:

try gnom-applet thingie again

[16:16:33]

Dagmar:

What kind of perverts do you think we are?

[16:16:45]

Dagmar:

wrong channel

[16:17:03]

Dagmar:

Damn I hate it when I mischan non-sequitirs

[16:17:53]

xzcvczx:

well dont sit in #iloveporn then if you dont want them to think your perverts

[16:18:28]

Dagmar:

You're the one with chanops there

[16:18:47]

xzcvczx:

yeah i founded the channel and what

[16:19:06]

xzcvczx:

i find it funny laughing at perverts like you

[16:19:14]

cheeseboy:

xzcvczx its still looking in /usr/local/bin/python

[16:19:33]

Dagmar:

What is?

[16:20:35]

xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: what does export | grep python say?

[16:20:48]

xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: what does 'export | grep python' say?

[16:21:05]

cheeseboy:

nothing

[16:21:14]

xzcvczx:

are you root?

[16:21:22]

cheeseboy:

yes

[16:21:58]

xzcvczx:

emerge python again see whether that works

[16:22:42]

cheeseboy:

ok..

[16:23:09]

cheeseboy:

python has always installed fine

[16:23:25]

cheeseboy:

but isnt working :(

[16:24:03]

xzcvczx:

yeah its got all fucked up with your manual install of python in a fucked up place

[16:24:18]

cheeseboy:

:'(

[16:24:39]

xzcvczx:

in future if you uninstall python (dont effin do this) then make sure you put prefix=/usr when you ./configure python

[16:25:04]

cheeseboy:

i wont uninstally pythonm again

[16:25:13]

xzcvczx:

good

[16:25:18]

Dagmar:

It's not like it breaks anything that doesn't require python already

[16:25:26]

cheeseboy:

was an accident

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xzcvczx:

what like emerge unmerge python

[16:25:49]

xzcvczx:

oops didnt mean to type that in as root

[16:25:59]

xzcvczx:

was meant to type it into irc

[16:26:00]

gardengnome:

i once removed glibc on my gentoo box.

[16:26:06]

gardengnome:

trust me, that sucked.

[16:26:16]

cheeseboy:

no a bunch of thing were conflicting w/ somting else so i copied and pasted em

[16:26:24]

xzcvczx:

worst one i have done was rm -rf / instead of rm -rf .

[16:26:25]

Dagmar:

SWEET

[16:26:31]

xzcvczx:

luckily a reboot fixed it

[16:26:46]

Dagmar:

There's nothing like blindly cutting and pasting a lot of commands as root

[16:26:50]

xzcvczx:

yeah

[16:27:05]

xzcvczx:

or listening to people on irc without knowing what all the commands will do

[16:29:51]

cheeseboy:

* Unable to establish /usr/share/man/man1/python.1.gz symlink

[16:30:08]

cheeseboy:

there was that but everything else went fine

[16:30:19]

xzcvczx:

meh no idea what that means

[16:30:31]

xzcvczx:

try emerge gnome-applet now

[16:30:36]

xzcvczx:

hopefully this will work

[16:30:42]

cheeseboy:

now how do i check its usin the right python?

[16:30:56]

xzcvczx:

ummm i dont actually know

[16:31:10]

xzcvczx:

if i did then i would have been able to fix it earlier

[16:31:10]

cheeseboy:

would which work?

[16:31:43]

cheeseboy:

/usr/bin/python

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sid3windr:

[07|18:26:00] < gardengnome> i once removed glibc on my gentoo box.

[16:31:58]

sid3windr:

why would it let you do that?

[16:32:05]

Dagmar:

straterra: Don't panick yet. Can you use BitTorrent?

[16:32:19]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: wrong channel?

[16:32:25]

Dagmar:

Oh but of course

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sid3windr:

:p

[16:32:39]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: you really need to learn how to use irc.... google irc

[16:32:41]

gardengnome:

sid3windr: i have no clue. it was an accident, i suppose. i think i tried to remove gcc back then...

[16:32:47]

xzcvczx:

and it will tell you about how channels work

[16:32:50]

gardengnome:

yeah dagmar, get a clue.

[16:32:52]

** gardengnome runs **

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Dagmar:

xzcvczx: Thanks, I'll remember that if I suddenly forget than I've been on IRC since before most of you had your voices change

[16:33:33]

anykey_:

gardengnome: how's a gardengnome supposed to run? :p

[16:33:41]

sid3windr:

training wheels

[16:33:49]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: well, i was on IRC before my voice changed. :)

[16:33:56]

Chicago:

me too

[16:34:05]

Dagmar:

You tie them to the back of the riding mower and step on the gas

[16:34:10]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: well i cant remember the last time i got something in the wrong channel let alone twice in 5mins

[16:34:24]

sid3windr:

heh

[16:34:29]

sid3windr:

you don't do a lot of irc do you ;)

[16:34:34]

Dagmar:

You don't check your mail when you first get up either, probably

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anykey_:

lol

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: grin

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: nah requires me walking downstairs

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gardengnome:

golly! you don't sleep with your computer? :)

[16:35:33]

xzcvczx:

well my mailbox is downstairs

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sid3windr:

heh

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Chicago:

I remember Prodigy CDs

[16:36:35]

Chicago:

I mean floppies

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xzcvczx:

gardengnome: copy and paste this as root 'rm -rf /'

[16:36:55]

gardengnome:

xzcvczx: i once did that in the wrong terminal. ;)

[16:37:01]

xzcvczx:

gardengnome: lol

[16:37:09]

gardengnome:

openbsd is pretty robust, though. or was it debian woody?

[16:37:10]

xzcvczx:

gardengnome: wrong terminal

[16:37:27]

xzcvczx:

gardengnome: wtf were you doing logged in as root on the terminal you werent doing it on

[16:37:41]

gardengnome:

xzcvczx: i once did "shred /dev/hda" instead of "shred /dev/sda". that was fun, too.

[16:37:45]

cheeseboy:

xzcvczx still error]

[16:37:46]

gardengnome:

xzcvczx: i was working on both boxen.

[16:37:50]

cheeseboy:

:(

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phedny:

anykey_: thanks, it worked after some fidling with settings :)

[16:38:17]

xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: i dunno try emerge portage

[16:38:25]

anykey_:

phedny: err, what?

[16:38:29]

phedny:

ssh -X

[16:38:34]

anykey_:

ah

[16:39:03]

anykey_:

i should really get a better memory...

[16:40:28]

xzcvczx:

gardengnome: maybe you should give root on your boxes to someone else cant say you deserve it

[16:41:28]

gardengnome:

xzcvczx: no worries, it took me long enough to fix it. i've already had my punishment :)

[16:41:34]

xzcvczx:

lol

[16:41:41]

gardengnome:

xzcvczx: the shred thingy deleted my windows partition. it was for a good cause, after all

[16:41:48]

** sid3windr 's been on irc for 11 years and I'm 24 ;) **

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xzcvczx:

lol

[16:41:55]

xzcvczx:

sid3windr: dude get a life

[16:41:56]

xzcvczx:

:P

[16:42:01]

sid3windr:

grin

[16:42:10]

fryfrog:

sid3windr: damn, that is some uptime! do you eat and sleep???

[16:42:14]

gardengnome:

it's overrated

[16:42:25]

sid3windr:

not for 11 years in a row though.

[16:42:26]

sid3windr:

heh =)-

[16:42:46]

cheeseboy:

how do i remove manually installed python?

[16:42:52]

sid3windr:

with rm

[16:42:52]

sid3windr:

:)

[16:42:55]

cheeseboy:

it won't die

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xzcvczx:

sid3windr: paths are still fucked tho

[16:43:12]

xzcvczx:

ummmm

[16:43:14]

sid3windr:

paths?

[16:43:33]

xzcvczx:

yeah still doing stuff in /usr/local/blah instead of /usr/blah

[16:43:58]

sid3windr:

logout & login again to get rid of bash's path hashing

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sid3windr:

if that is what you mean

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xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: or

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xzcvczx:

export | grep PYTHONPATH as root

[16:44:34]

xzcvczx:

'export | grep PYTHONPATH' as root

[16:45:07]

cheeseboy:

declare -x PYTHONPATH="/usr/lib/portage/pym"

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cheeseboy:

should it work now?

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xzcvczx:

so what have you got in /usr/local/lib and in /usr/local/bin

[16:46:27]

xzcvczx:

it should do

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xzcvczx:

was that after following sid3windr idea?

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cheeseboy:

/usr/local/lib pkgconfig /usr/local/bin empty

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cheeseboy:

now what?

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xzcvczx:

did you do what sid3windr suggested?

[16:50:51]

cheeseboy:

no

[16:50:58]

xzcvczx:

hmmmmmm

[16:51:00]

xzcvczx:

ummm

[16:51:03]

cheeseboy:

so logout of gentoo?

[16:51:09]

xzcvczx:

try i

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xzcvczx:

t

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xzcvczx:

just mess round til it works is my motto

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cheeseboy:

reboot or logout?

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xzcvczx:

well ebfore you do that

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xzcvczx:

try env-update

[16:52:52]

cheeseboy:

ok now what?

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xzcvczx:

source /etc/profile

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cheeseboy:

ok

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cheeseboy:

now?

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xzcvczx:

now type in whereis python in that window and check theres no local crap ther

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Dagmar:

ffs

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cheeseboy:

python: /usr/bin/python2.4 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python2.5 /usr/lib/python2.4 /usr/lib/python2.5 /usr/X11R6/bin/python2.4 /usr/X11R6/bin/python /usr/X11R6/bin/python2.5 /usr/include/python2.4 /usr/include/python2.5

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Dagmar:

find /usr/local -type d -name "python*"

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: lol

[16:54:57]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: go to hell its 5am here

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cheeseboy:

huh?

[16:55:14]

Dagmar:

Hey at least I know how to do simple unix sysadmin stuff

[16:55:37]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: just couldnt remember whether whereis used some db or anything

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Dagmar:

....and `hash -r` updates bash's cache path db

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xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: ok well try emerge gnome-applets again if that dont work then logout and log back in and try again if that dont work come ask me again

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xzcvczx:

/gag Dagmar

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xzcvczx:

:P

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cheeseboy:

xzcvczx still not working

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xzcvczx:

well i dont know then you will have to ask gentoo people wehre and how the paths for python are stored as i am lost now

[17:11:02]

cheeseboy:

gentoo ppl were more lost than u

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xzcvczx:

the only other thing i can think of will be one hell of a bad hack

[17:11:24]

cheeseboy:

?

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xzcvczx:

hmmm whats in /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig

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xzcvczx:

?

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cheeseboy:

its empty

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xzcvczx:

rm that folder or whatever it is then

[17:13:42]

cheeseboy:

ok

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xzcvczx:

btw is your etc-update all up to date?

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cheeseboy:

yes

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Dagmar:

Deleting that folder will do nothing.

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: you got any hints then just getting rid of junk mostly

[17:17:04]

Dagmar:

I never saw what his actual problem was

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BSD_Tech:

morning

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BSD_Tech:

how goes this am

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: unmerged python installed manually it put it in /usr/local reemerged python got him to remove manual from /usr/local but now its still looking in /usr/local for python modules

[17:18:03]

cheeseboy:

1 pm here :)

[17:18:10]

BSD_Tech:

has anyone ever gottem a RF remote to work with mythtv

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: summary in 20 words or less :P

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RaYmAn-Bx:

BSD_Tech: yes.

[17:18:32]

RaYmAn-Bx:

BSD_Tech: an ati remote wonder

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BSD_Tech:

ok hhmm

[17:18:43]

Dagmar:

Because he installed those modules using the /usr/local prefix and they were put into the index for python under the /usr prefix

[17:18:47]

RaYmAn-Bx:

it's quite ugly, but it does the job quite well.

[17:18:55]

BSD_Tech:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RF-USB-PC-Remote-Wireless . . . cmdZViewItem

[17:19:11]

Dagmar:

Consdering how little I use python about all I can say is to remove it and flush away it's directories and then reinstall it

[17:19:27]

Dagmar:

...which would be much simpler if he were just using binary packages.

[17:19:28]

xzcvczx:

cant

[17:19:36]

RaYmAn-Bx:

I kind of doubt that will work tbh, unless there is a lirc driver

[17:19:45]

BSD_Tech:

thats the one I was looking at

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: lol never a problem if munters dont remove python in first place

[17:20:00]

RaYmAn-Bx:

it does however say that it doesn't require any software, so it might well be usb hid or something

[17:20:16]

Dagmar:

I don't know of any reason why one "can't" uninstall python.

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xzcvczx:

gentoo requires python for package manager

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BSD_Tech:

ok

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xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: try emergeing libxml2 once more and see whether that fixes it

[17:21:11]

cheeseboy:

i just did

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cheeseboy:

still not working

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Dagmar:

Ah...

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Dagmar:

So basically, the answer is now "use a package manager that doesn't suck"

[17:22:03]

Dagmar:

They have GOT to have a downloadable binary package of python somewhere.

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xzcvczx:

well i would if there was one as nice as portage is to use

[17:22:55]

Dagmar:

No one in their right mind designs their package management system around a component that cannot be installed without the package management system.

[17:23:02]

cheeseboy:

X(

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cheeseboy:

im doomed

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: of course it can be installed without the package manager system

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xzcvczx:

its just the prefix wasnt set correctly

[17:24:36]

Dagmar:

Then he needs to remove python and then reinstall the binary installable package of python

[17:25:22]

cheeseboy:

so what doi do?

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Dagmar:

...unless you know how to purge python's internal records of which modules are where in the filesystem

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kormoc:

what happened?

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: how do you do that?

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Dagmar:

I am pretty sure there *is* a binary installable package of python for Gentoo

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Dagmar:

Not all you loons compile everything.

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cheeseboy:

kormoc: basically im an idiot

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cheeseboy:

xzcvczx: ?

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BSD_Tech:

ok I am going to look at both freevo and myth I got a 2nd unit that is identical to the first unit and its getting freevo

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cheeseboy:

!seen xzcvczx

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MythLogBot:

xzcvczx is here and has been idle for 25 minutes 52 seconds

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LoneShadow:

!seen MythLogBot

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MythLogBot:

MythLogBot is here and has been idle for 3 minutes 11 seconds

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LoneShadow:

bah

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at0m|c:

!seen LoneShadow

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MythLogBot:

LoneShadow is here and has been idle for 1 minute 11 seconds

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LoneShadow:

:P

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at0m|c:

MythLogBot seems self-explicatory

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at0m|c:

makes me forget the regret having missed a couple of days :]

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BSD_Tech:

cool my card should be here today

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xris:

at0m|c: if only Beirdo would have the time to finish it. :)

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at0m|c:

xris: didn't know there was an online log for example

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at0m|c:

been trying to configure for a week or two, seems convenient :)

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xris:

at0m|c: yeah. that's the part that *I* am supposed to finish. lol

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at0m|c:

;P

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AndyCap:

Bah, the postal service couldn't be bothered to move any packages around today. no PVR for me

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xzcvczx:

!seen xzcvczx

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MythLogBot:

xzcvczx is here and has been idle for 42 minutes 45 seconds

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xzcvczx:

!seen xzcvczx

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MythLogBot:

xzcvczx is here and has been idle for 7 seconds

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Dagmar:

For those of you getting obsessive about fans and cooling, this is a good deal: http://www.woot.com/

[18:08:57]

xzcvczx:

lol baroon

[18:09:05]

Dagmar:

Twenny bucks for a pointable thermometer

[18:09:30]

xzcvczx:

hmmm is there anything you can buy that filter power

[18:09:42]

cheeseboy:

xzcvczx:

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xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: look at pm

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Dagmar:

A UPS

[18:09:51]

cheeseboy:

i got it instlled

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: does that filter it while its live? its more that every time my fridge starts up or dishwasher motor starts it makes my speakers make clicks and stuff

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cheeseboy:

xzcvczx theres nothing in pm

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AndyCap:

xzcvczx: depends on the ups.. on-line or line-interactive?

[18:11:10]

Dagmar:

Eeeshh. That sounds like a grounding issue

[18:11:45]

Dagmar:

You can't exactly filter out a grounding problem.

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xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: yes there is

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xzcvczx:

cheeseboy: what client are you using

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cheeseboy:

gaim

[18:12:51]

xzcvczx:

well look in server window

[18:13:05]

cheeseboy:

there isnt one

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: ahhh ok any suggestions on how to fix it then?

[18:13:30]

cheeseboy:

will u join me in #anon32 ?

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xris:

xzcvczx: are you auth'd wit nickserv?

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xris:

n/m.. looks like you are

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xzcvczx:

xris: rather random question.....?

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xris:

xzcvczx: can't pm if you're not identified

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xzcvczx:

yeah it was just how his client picks it up

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xris:

gaim doesn't do anything weird for pms

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xris:

just pops up like any other im

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gardengnome:

pms?

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gardengnome:

must... resist...

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xris:

yeah, it's a stupid acronum

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xris:

acronym, even

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xzcvczx:

lol

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defendguin:

i just ran an update on my mythtv pc and now playback is not working and when i go to system status it says it can connect to the masterbackend server

[18:45:32]

defendguin:

i noticed there were some mysql updates in the bunch

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xris:

defendguin: is the backend running?

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xris:

maybe the update stopped it but didn't restart?

[18:47:12]

defendguin:

hmm

[18:47:19]

defendguin:

what is the binary for the backend?

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xris:

um, mythbackend?

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defendguin:

lol ok

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defendguin:

xris: no the backend was not running

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xris:

defendguin: that was sort of a given.

[18:51:33]

xris:

you restarted it?

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defendguin:

i started it up and then ran the front end again with the same error

[18:51:57]

xris:

sounds like the backend died for some reason

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xris:

maybe mysql is also down? that would prevent the backend from starting

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defendguin:

says connected to DB mythconverg

[18:53:13]

defendguin:

infact it connects to that DB 3 times

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xris:

is the backend still running?

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defendguin:

yes

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defendguin:

i do notice there is an error message in the output Channel (dev/video0)::Open() can't open video device

[18:54:28]

defendguin:

error no such file or directory

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xzcvczx:

anyone know of a multitab putty?

[18:55:04]

xris:

defendguin: have you tried just rebooting?

[18:55:11]

defendguin:

xris: yes

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xris:

defendguin: sounds like something went wrong with your tuner card config

[18:55:49]

defendguin:

i need to run myth-setup

[18:55:51]

defendguin:

?

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fusion5:

is anyone else having problems with mythgame? heh

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xris:

defendguin: that would be a start, yes...

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xris:

no problems with mythgame for me... granted, I don't use it, either.

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fusion5:

ah

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fusion5:

my box will find all the games (ctrl-alt-f1.. i see my list both found and 'added' to the database) but the media->play games list doesnt show them :/

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defendguin:

hmmm

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defendguin:

xris: im trying to setup the capture device and it is saying devvideo0 is not there

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xris:

defendguin: are you using actual backslashes?

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defendguin:

sorry

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defendguin:

/dev/video

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xris:

like I said. sounds like something wrong with the tuner card config

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xris:

(as in, not mythtv)

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defendguin:

hmmm

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defendguin:

there was an update to ivtv and the kernel that came down with the updates

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defendguin:

i wonder if i have to modprobe the driver back in

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defendguin:

xris: do you know the module for the hauppage wintv150?

[19:05:13]

xris:

defendguin: that would definitely cause a problem, yes.

[19:05:20]

xris:

dmesg should have the error messages

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jimbalaya:

...not sure how many people that are here now have been here for the last week or so with my lirc battle ... but, it turns out that the remote and/or card was broken

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xris:

jimbalaya: annoying

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jimbalaya:

very

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defendguin:

xris: i don't see any error messages nor do i see any mention of the card in the dmesg output

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xris:

defendguin: maybe it wiped out your modprobe.conf entry (or whatever it would be in your distro)

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defendguin:

what module should be loaded for the card?

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xris:

ivtv?

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defendguin:

its not and what i tried /sbin/modprobe ivtv it said that module doesn't exist

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kormoc:

then you likely need to reinstall ivtv

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xris:

defendguin: your kernel upgrade probably didn't pull down the new ivtv

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defendguin:

ahhh i got it

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defendguin:

there is no package for ivtv for my current kernel

[19:14:22]

defendguin:

not listed in synaptic anyway

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xris:

defendguin: good rule to follow for package updates.. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

[19:15:48]

defendguin:

xris: i was having a few issues with mythtv and my remote wasn't working because of a driver issue and there was a backpot of a new lirc package

[19:16:11]

defendguin:

so i felt i would be justified by getting the new packages

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xris:

ah

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xris:

well, at least you now know the name of a required package...

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defendguin:

so i need the ivtv module for the latesy edge kernel

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defendguin:

latest

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defendguin:

i haven't updated since i built the box so i'm guessing the kernel is not hot off the press and there should be a package in apt already :(

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juski:

neon-wide has been updated, y'all :0

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juski:

:) even

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defendguin:

xris: i had to run that module assistant thing again

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jduggan_:

:)

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defendguin:

and we now have TV

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xris:

:)

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defendguin:

now i gotta see if i can get my remote working

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BSD_Tech:

ok 400 gig sata on order

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SlicerDicer-:

hey xris got a question for you

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SlicerDicer-:

if you know about 5C to a degree :) I am wondering if I have a device that is 5C compliant hooked up to the box if that means that both firewire ports will be decrypted?

[19:35:05]

SlicerDicer-:

or just the one the device is hooked up to??

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xris:

not a clue

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xris:

I think it depends on whether or not the box sends a decrypted signal out the firewire port. not all (none?) do

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh

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** Scopeuk_ bangs his head on the table and wonders why c is being bitchy **

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BSD_Tech:

its c its its nature

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xris:

Scopeuk_: it's jealous of perl. :)

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defendguin:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lir . . . a4da21fde343 damn this sucks to have to do all this for a remote to work

[19:39:20]

xris:

defendguin: lirc is a pain in the a$$

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defendguin:

xris: it gets a lot better in feisty fawn i think

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xris:

defendguin: I wasn't referring to a distro

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xris:

lirc itself is just a pain

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defendguin:

:(

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Scopeuk_:

thats for the help guys ;-)

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xris:

it's been getting better over the years, but it still sucks.

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** xris has to go mow the lawn before it starts to rain. **

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defendguin:

ouch

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defendguin:

thanks for the help

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Scopeuk_:

its decidd my forstatement is wrogn despite being all but identical with 20 oters in the program which work perfectly

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nomin-:

how do I manually remove parts of a video? I've done it before but I forget how to get to it?

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nomin-:

nm, found it.

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juski:

hmm seems my pc isn't up to playing nine video streams at the same time

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Scopeuk_:

juski long time no see

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juski:

hey scopeuk :)

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juski:

how's studenty life treating you?

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Scopeuk_:

pretty godo thanks

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Scopeuk_:

hows life treetign you then?

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juski:

not bad. work isn't bad – too many new products about to be launched tho

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juski:

released a new theme since we last spoke – neon-wide :)

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juski:

and what I'm doing now is making a video wall, like the appletv web demo has – only with moving video

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Scopeuk_:

nice

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Scopeuk_:

vlc does that quitenicley

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Scopeuk_:

although across multiple pcs its a git to sync

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juski:

I need this to be in video file form though

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Scopeuk_:

ok

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Scopeuk_:

bit more tricky

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juski:

haha yeah slightly ;)

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xyz334:

argh, who knew configuring an hdtv xorg.conf with nvidia would be so hard

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juski:

woohoo got my proof of concept worked out :)

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Scopeuk_:

nice

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juski:

3x3 video wall, with reflections below

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Scopeuk_:

nice

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juski:

<3 Sony Vegas

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juski:

I just have to work out how to get it to be like it's projected onto a curved surface now

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xyz334:

is there something special you have to do for HDTVs connected with component cables instead of DVI?

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** hjohnson is pondering buying a sharp Aquos lcd tv **

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hjohnson:

so is it worth going for full HDTV resolution, or just 720p?

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kormoc:

depends on your wants/needs

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xyz334:

what program do i use to configure overscan /w nvidia?

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juski:

nvidia-settings

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xyz334:

hmm

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xyz334:

i cant find overscan in my settings

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jduggan_:

vi

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jduggan_:

:p

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juski:

but er.. it'd be no use for a DVI/VGA/Component out

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xyz334:

oh

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xyz334:

i am using 720p

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xyz334:

but my sides are getting cut off

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xyz334:

what should I do?

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juski:

buy a TV that doesn't overscan

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xyz334:

it already does

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xyz334:

what should I do?

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gbee:

nvidia-settings doesn't offer the overscan settings, does it? thought it had to be done through the X config?

[20:19:26]

juski:

or resize the GUI in the mythfrontend appearance menu

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xyz334:

on my regular TV i could just set overscan and fix this

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juski:

gbee: yeah you get a user-friendly slider :)

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kormoc:

gbee, nah, it does via -settings for analog ooutputs

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xyz334:

so can i set overscan even though i have component out anyways ?

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juski:

xyz334: well, your TV is being a TV and is overscanning

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gbee:

I'll take your word for it :)

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juski:

xyz334: you can try & create a modeline to compensate for it, but that might be tricky unless you can find one already made

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juski:

otherwise just resize the mythtv gui

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juski:

anything that gets cut off TV playback shouldn't matter since you wouldn't see those bits anyway ;)

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xyz334:

yeah but i want to use my gnome desktop too

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juski:

wah!

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juski:

get busy with a modeline generator then

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xyz334:

grr

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juski:

TVs overscan, get over it :)

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** gardengnome sobs **

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xyz334:

dont other people have this issue for HDTVs!

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juski:

yes they do

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jimbalaya:

does 'mythfilldatabase' have to be run as root?

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gbee:

jimbalaya: no

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jams:

jimbalaya- nope

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xyz334:

then how do they fix it?

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juski:

broadcasters still treat TV, even HD as if it's gonna be overscanned on the set

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juski:

xyz334: I've told you already

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juski:

custom modelines

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xyz334:

what program does that

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juski:

.. which your TV may not like

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juski:

xyz334: google for 'modeline $make&modelofyourTV'

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xyz334:

its not a permanent flash is it?

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juski:

nope

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jimbalaya:

does it always seem to partially download, and then move on?...

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juski:

and you can't blow your TV up with a wrong modeline – not if it isn't a CRT

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xyz334:

juski, what if i cant find my modleines

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juski:

xyz334: chances are you will

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jimbalaya:

to me, it looks like it's getting part-way through a d/l, then stopping, doing stuff, then getting part-way through another d/l, etc

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juski:

xyz334: gimme the make/model of your TV

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xyz334:

sony kd-34xs955

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juski:

a crt eh ;)

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xyz334:

yep

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xyz334:

might get a 1080p plasma later but this is all i have atm

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gbee:

jimbalaya: pastebin the log

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xyz334:

hmm, googled for modeline sony kd-34xs955 like you said, nothing :(

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jimbalaya:

gbee: it finished, it just updates multiple files or something

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gbee:

depending on the grabber, it will grab a day at a time and if it already has data for a particular day it might skip it

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juski:

xyz334: I'd have gone with DVI to HDMI if I was you

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xyz334:

thats not really an option

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juski:

how so?

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xyz334:

the HDMI slot is used by the cable box

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xyz334:

shouldnt these modlines be on some specifications somewhere?

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xyz334:

i mean the regular cable box displays HD content without being cut off i thought?

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juski:

heh. no

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juski:

broadcasters still work to the idea that all TVs overscan

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xyz334:

ok can i just make my own modelines and will my tv blow up if i try?

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juski:

it's unlikely you will do any harm to a modern TV with bad modelines

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defendguin:

i need a little help with my remote

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xyz334:

ok how should i make my own then ?

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defendguin:

im running irw and pressing buttons on the remote but im not getting any input

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Ryushin:

Okay, I'm convinced now that h.264 is far superior than divx/xvid/mpeg4 in the encodings I've done from some of my DVD's. Now I'd like to use it for my at least my analog recordings. I don't know if I have enough HP to playback HD at 720 in h.264. But I can explore that later. The only disadvantage to h.264, is it takes a LOT more processing power to encode and decode.

[20:36:10]

defendguin:

i have a hauppage pvr 150

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juski:

xyz334: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2089803,00.asp

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Ryushin:

So now that I want to do h.264, how do I tell mythtv to start using it to transcode?

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defendguin:

i have the lirc_i2c module loaded and i restared lircd

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Ryushin:

defendguin: Have you setup a .lirrc file yet?

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defendguin:

no i have not

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Ryushin:

Well, you'll need that, and your /etc/lircd.conf file.

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defendguin:

i have that conf file

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Ryushin:

The myth wiki has files for the pvr-150/350 remote

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Ryushin:

Or I can give you mine if you want.

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defendguin:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lir . . . nf.hauppauge im using this one

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xyz334:

juski, argh its complaining about my hardware configuration not being supported whenever i make any changes

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defendguin:

Ryushin: is there anyway that i can test that the IR receiver is in working order?

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Ryushin:

Yea, use irw

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defendguin:

lol

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defendguin:

irw hangs there and is waiting

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Ryushin:

Is mythtv running right now?

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xyz334:

juski, in fact if i start xvidtune with the default settings hit "Test" it complains right away?

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defendguin:

Ryushin: no

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Ryushin:

Good.

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Ryushin:

Did you configure lirc correctly?

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Ryushin:

Are you using source or the built in package to your distro/

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Ryushin:

?

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juski:

xyz334: so you're gonna be stuck with the overscan for a while then#

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juski:

it can't be missing that much off anyway

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juski:

what's the native resolution of the TV?

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defendguin:

Ryushin: ive been following these directions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lir . . . a4da21fde343

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xyz334:

juski, not sure....720P?

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juski:

xyz334: the problem with using component is that your TV can't tell the video card what resolutions it's capable of

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Ryushin:

defendguin: Can I suggest you use the source for lircrc.

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defendguin:

i gotta check to make sure i have good batteries in the remote

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xyz334:

juski, well if i ever get enough channels using the firewire so it doesnt matter, then sure

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Ryushin:

In fact, if your myth box is dedicated, I would use the source for myth, lirc, and ivtv.

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xyz334:

juski, until then is there anyway to just shrink my desktop so it fits onto the screen?

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juski:

xyz334: dunno. I don't use GNOME or KDE on my frontend

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xyz334:

hm

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defendguin:

Ryushin: i'd rather not if i can help it if only to keep the package management system right

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xyz334:

juski, ah.. using powerstrip.. i like this idea

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defendguin_:

Ryushin: i guess i have this blaster thing and that is causing problems

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Ryushin:

defendguin: I had the same attitude in the beginning. I changed when I needed more control over my system then what some generic packages could provide for me.

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defendguin_:

Ryushin: i think the problem is i don't have the pvr150 module loaded

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Ryushin:

That is necessary.

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defendguin_:

when i went to build the modules the pvr150 module was not an option in module assistant

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defendguin_:

Ryushin: you have a pvr150?

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Ryushin:

I have a 150/350, hd-3000, and a hd-5500.

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Ryushin:

Which module assistant?

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Ryushin:

The kernel?

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Ryushin:

Sorry, I need to help my wife with dinner.

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Cyberai:

Hello all

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Ryushin:

Use the source luke.

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Cyberai:

I just built a new system running FC5/mythtv and I'm trying to play some 1080P test files (movie previews). Althought I have a Dual Core FX-60 Athlon, I am having some issues. I sometimes get a sort of "blinkin" in the video. And I am having problems with video/audio sync. The commandline I have been using is: mplayer -fs -zoom -vo xv -hardframedrop -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 <file>.

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Cyberai:

I keep seeing the error "[ASPECT] Warning: No suitable new res found!"

[21:04:50]

Cyberai:

So I am wondering, is it because I am scaling the video that I am having problems? I tried using the -monitoraspect option, but that makes things worse

[21:05:07]

Cyberai:

Is there a way to tell mplayer to scale the video as best possible to my screen, without changing the apsect ratio at all and only scaling by specified factors? (x2 x4 etc)? Or am I way off on the wrong track?

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jduggan_:

Cyberai: try asking #mplayer for mplayer specifics

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Cyberai:

I did, they're asleep

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nomin-:

when I want to transcode a video, I can't compress the audio.

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gardengnome:

juski: what for?

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xyz334:

juski, ah it zoomed in and out just a little bit. not enough to get the entire screen to be seen. time to shrink the desktop :)

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juski:

gardengnome: for to see if I could do it or not

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nomin-:

aren't we supposed to be able to compress the audio while transcoding? I only have the option to save the audio stream raw and the file ends up being LARGER after I remove the commercials after transcoding.

[21:21:26]

nomin-:

is there a bug in mythtv .20?

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nomin-:

I only have the option of 'uncompressed' in the transcoding options.

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juski:

nomin-: that'd be a problem in the settings you chose

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gardengnome:

juski: of all reasons, that's the best one.

[21:23:06]

juski:

gardengnome: I'll post the results soon

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nomin-:

juski: in the 'software encoders' section I have 2 options for codecs audio compression: "mp3" and "uncompressed". In the 'transcoders' section I only have "uncompressed" option. How do I get the option for 'mp3'?

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defendguin_:

Ryushin: i got the lirc_pvr150 module loaded but i am getting connection refused when i try to run irw

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juski:

nomin-: dunno. I don't transcode cos I have oodles of HDD space & don't keep what I've watched

[21:26:21]

nomin-:

I think it's a bug.

[21:26:57]

nomin-:

and this sucks because I'm trying to make space since I'm running out.

[21:27:47]

defendguin_:

Ryushin: all the necessary modules appear to be loaded

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juski:

nomin-: easy way out: get some more space :)

[21:29:14]

nomin-:

juski: but I want to get the commercials out of my videos anyway. For some strange reason the files end up 2x the size after I cut out the commercials. I think it's making a HUGE audio stream.

[21:29:49]

Worf:

hello. i've been digging trough the wiki and did read a lot about supported hardware, etc... but: is there some list with recommended hardware? (i'm considering of building a box...)

[21:34:03]

juski:

oh yeah

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juski:

leaves your CPU free to do other things

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juski:

less hassle to set up – audio for framegrabbers can be a PITA

[21:34:51]

juski:

makes setting up multiple tuners _much_ easier

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hjohnson:

yep

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juski:

cos with cards that don't do hardware encoding, you have to deal with multiple soundcards

[21:36:14]

juski:

one soundcard per tuner is required to record audio from multiple tuners

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Worf:

i was just wondering, because according to what i've read so far you "only" get mpeg2... (don't know the quality), and current cpus seem to have no problem to encode to something more up to date :)

[21:36:34]

inono:

hey does anyone know how to resize the desktop size so it takes up like ~80% of the screen?

[21:36:39]

juski:

there are some non-hw encoding cards that capture their own audio but that brings its own problems

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juski:

Worf: nothing wrong with mpeg2. You can always transcode after the fact anyway

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juski:

dvd is mpeg2, hdtv is mpeg2. HD-DVD & Blu-ray are MPEG2 I think aswell

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kormoc:

Worf, also the mpeg2 cards tend to have better tuners on them, so a better quality source to re-encode later as well

[21:38:07]

Worf:

kormoc: good to know

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inono:

MPEG2 is suckage :)

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juski:

inono: yeh _right_

[21:39:04]

inono:

too much space usage

[21:39:04]

juski:

you're only saying that cos you own a lamegrabber :-P

[21:39:09]

gardengnome:

yeah, go capture in mpeg4 or sumthin'

[21:39:13]

Worf:

juski: well, i know it's used a lot.. but... well...

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** gardengnome throws audio loopback cables at inono **

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juski:

wah! too much space! I'm too tight to buy a bigger HDD.. wah!

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kormoc:

Worf, there are hardware mpeg-4 capture cards as well

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inono:

wah, 3 gigs for half an hour aint cool

[21:39:42]

gardengnome:

kormoc: oafaik only that plextor thingy

[21:39:51]

kormoc:

gardengnome, but they exist! :P

[21:39:54]

juski:

I hear the plextor convertx is about vhs quality

[21:39:56]

gardengnome:

kormoc: :)

[21:40:03]

Worf:

kormoc: didn't see anything mentioned in the wiki yet... or did i miss it?

[21:40:05]

kormoc:

juski, really? huh.

[21:40:17]

juski:

kormoc: yeah. read it's not so hot at all

[21:40:23]

inono:

ok... i dont care about gnome anymore.. is there any desktop out there that I can make smaller so it doesnt use the entire screen?

[21:40:51]

gardengnome:

inono: you might be able to achieve that by using the VirtualSize config option for X

[21:41:51]

xris:

inono: huh? what would be the point of reducing the size of the desktop (which would include everything inside of it)?

[21:41:53]

inono:

gardengnome, excellent, is that the exact config option?

[21:42:09]

gardengnome:

inono: i think so. google might tell you.

[21:42:23]

inono:

xris, my HDTV is cutting off the sides, and after tweaking the modelines i cant get it to display 100% of the real resolution anyways

[21:42:27]

gardengnome:

inono: i'm not sure if you can set the virtual size lower than the actual screen resolution

[21:42:35]

kormoc:

gardengnome, I don't think you can

[21:42:47]

Worf:

ok... i understand... i think...

[21:42:49]

kormoc:

inono, you could set myth's size in the frontend and it's offsets

[21:42:55]

xris:

inono: that's called overscan.. all TVs do it. mythtv has x/y adjustments to deal with that kind o thing.

[21:43:13]

gardengnome:

xris: right, but he wants his desktop to fit the screen i think

[21:43:35]

kormoc:

inono, did you try using xvidtune?

[21:43:44]

inono:

xris, i know mythtv does. i have a wireless keyboard for this thing, i might want to browse the web once in a while

[21:43:48]

inono:

yeah i did

[21:43:52]

xris:

inono: um, mythbrowser?

[21:44:01]

juski:

you still never mentioned how much is being cut off

[21:44:05]

inono:

ok

[21:44:07]

xris:

inono: anyway, if your tv is broken and overscans a digital input, there's not much you can do about it.

[21:44:18]

inono:

even after tweaking modelines i still get about 10% on top/bottom and 15% on left/right getting cut off

[21:44:22]

gardengnome:

*lots* of TV sets overscan on digital inputs.

[21:44:22]

xris:

I think most HDTVs are that way. it's just suck.

[21:44:35]

kormoc:

gah

[21:44:40]

xris:

s/suck/sucky/

[21:44:40]

kormoc:

makes me scared to buy a HDTV

[21:44:51]

kormoc:

of course, I won't buy a HDTV anytime soon

[21:44:53]

inono:

if i tweak my modelines any further my TV output gets messed up or black screens

[21:45:06]

** kormoc peers at the money sink parked in the street **

[21:45:08]

gardengnome:

kormoc: neither will i ;)

[21:45:20]

inono:

i dont mind tweaking mythtv size but i want my regular desktop to be fully visible as well

[21:45:36]

inono:

gardengnome, ok looks like there's "Virtual" and "ViewPort" ill go try it out thx

[21:46:00]

defendguin_:

xris: i don't suppose you could help with a lirc problem?

[21:46:18]

xris:

inono: I don't think you can do that.. if you could, it would be in the video card settings (not modelines, but overscan settings).. problem is, I don't think the overscan stuff works on digital outputs.

[21:46:29]

xris:

defendguin_: probably not. I don't know much about it.

[21:46:36]

defendguin_:

darn

[21:46:49]

defendguin_:

it should "just work"

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juski:

gardengnome: www.mythtvtalk.com/juski/effect.avi :)

[21:48:02]

gardengnome:

i think you can adjust overscan on digital outputs in windows using the nvidia driver :/

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gardengnome:

juski: wget...

[21:48:25]

juski:

inono is using component

[21:48:50]

gardengnome:

juski: nice

[21:49:22]

juski:

the next mythtv promo video is gonna be much more spiffy than the last one ;)

[21:49:28]

juski:

and it'll be HD

[21:49:35]

gardengnome:

just mix them all together ;)

[21:50:05]

juski:

I wanna learn Vegas scripting so I can automate this stuff

[21:50:20]

xris:

juski: any timeline?

[21:50:22]

kormoc:

hrm... pip on crack

[21:50:30]

juski:

xris: er.. no idea

[21:50:36]

juski:

xris: any deadline? ;)

[21:50:49]

xris:

well, if there was something by the 27th, I could use it at linuxfest. heh

[21:50:50]

kormoc:

LFNW!

[21:50:51]

kormoc:

:P

[21:51:26]

xris:

;)

[21:51:27]

juski:

27th is plenty time away

[21:51:43]

xris:

not that I don't just have a bunch of Planet Earth in HD recorded for it.

[21:52:07]

xris:

that series is incredible stuff.

[21:52:17]

juski:

the lower 3rds in the new vid will be spiffier than ever

[21:52:28]

xris:

so what exactly is it?

[21:52:38]

juski:

I like doing this kind of stuff. might get something resembling a showreel one day

[21:52:54]

juski:

xris: like the other ones, extolling the virtues of mythtv

[21:53:13]

juski:

in a snappy-ish form. cover the basics

[21:53:30]

gardengnome:

involving "A**l Teens"?

[21:53:32]

juski:

without a dull as dishwater voiceover :-P

[21:53:35]

gardengnome:

like last time? ;)

[21:53:44]

** juski laughs **

[21:53:47]

kormoc:

A**l?

[21:53:54]

juski:

hey I never noticed that til you lot pointed it out

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xris:

juski: how does that extol the virtues of mythtv? I've never seen pip like that.

[21:54:50]

juski:

xris: that's just a proof of concept thing I had for another idea

[21:54:54]

xris:

ah

[21:55:10]

xris:

would actually be really cool to see something like apple's expose used for pip. heh.

[21:55:31]

xris:

gl transformations for swapping between things, etc.

[21:55:50]

juski:

I should try & see if I can do screencaps on my backend in realtime so I don't need to mess with messy capturing

[21:56:30]

xris:

I've seen some tools out there that record screen interaction into swf

[21:56:31]

xris:

kind of cool

[21:56:37]

xris:

it's used for creating app demos

[21:56:49]

defendguin_:

is it worth 10 USD to anyone who can diagnose and resolve the problem that i am having with my pvr150 remote?

[21:57:24]

juski:

defendguin_: that sounds like desperation ;)

[21:57:41]

defendguin_:

juski: i just want it to work and i can spare the 10 bucks

[21:58:18]

defendguin_:

i'd even let someone remote the box using vnc so they could work

[21:59:16]

juski:

kormoc: www.juski.co.uk/oldvid.png

[22:00:03]

juski:

like umm.. oops!

[22:00:28]

juski:

you also see f**k truck in the same 5 sec segment

[22:00:34]

kormoc:

heh, nice :P

[22:00:37]

gbee:

rofl

[22:01:00]

juski:

I spent hours & hours putting it together & never even noticed

[22:02:05]

inono:

ok i just spent some time messing with "Virtual" .... if i use that, it "splits" the entire screen in half and wraps it around so i see the right part on the left and the left part on the right

[22:02:22]

inono:

i dont suppose there's any better way shrink the desktop

[22:02:37]

inono:

maybe something besides gnome supports it?

[22:03:23]

fryfrog:

uh, change the resolution?

[22:03:36]

inono:

no.

[22:03:41]

kormoc:

inono, there really isn't much of a way, nope

[22:04:00]

fryfrog:

what are you trying to do, reduce a 1024 desktop by like 25%?

[22:04:10]

inono:

yep..

[22:04:12]

fryfrog:

sometimes i use tightvnc (vnc?)'s scale ability

[22:04:22]

fryfrog:

but that is only remotly, so i can fit a big desktop on a small screen

[22:04:28]

inono:

but its ON the same desktop

[22:04:36]

fryfrog:

i've never seen that on.. yeah, that

[22:04:49]

fryfrog:

why would you *want* to?

[22:05:08]

fryfrog:

you'd just end up with tiny icons and unreadable text

[22:05:14]

xris:

fryfrog: he's trying to underscan with the desktop instead of the video card.

[22:05:21]

fryfrog:

OHHHHHHH

[22:05:35]

fryfrog:

modeline will get you that

[22:05:39]

xris:

his hdtv is overscanning

[22:05:42]

fryfrog:

but its just gonna change your resolution a little

[22:05:44]

xris:

fryfrog: apparently not

[22:05:47]

fryfrog:

mine does it *tons*

[22:05:56]

fryfrog:

i just use myth's dimension changer to make only that fit

[22:06:20]

fryfrog:

i don't know how to use modeline, but you should be able to find one that makes the screen fit right

[22:06:43]

fryfrog:

the nvidia drivers might also do it? that i'm not sure about though

[22:06:57]

fryfrog:

i remember using nvidia-settings once to fix the size, but haven't used that method in a while

[22:07:42]

xris:

fryfrog: I don't think any of that works over dvi, though

[22:07:58]

inono:

i would love to overscan with my video card... i dont have any options to do that though

[22:08:05]

inono:

s/overscan/underscan

[22:08:21]

kormoc:

sure there's no settings on the tv itself?

[22:08:25]

inono:

i tried editing my xorg.conf to add overscan but that doesnt do anything

[22:08:28]

inono:

yep

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xris:

inono: what kind of video card?

[22:13:52]

inono:

nvidia 7950 gx2

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Saviq:

hi guys, I asked before but I don't believe I've got an answer

[22:15:11]

Saviq:

does myth still rely on some session manager or can the frontend be ran without gnome nor kde?

[22:16:26]

juski:

Saviq: you needn't use gnome or KDE but I still recommend you use a desktop manager

[22:16:53]

Saviq:

desktop manager – yes – but I don't want to start a full blown session

[22:17:08]

juski:

window manager was what I meant

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Saviq:

ah

[22:17:37]

Saviq:

good I'm installing xubuntu

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Saviq:

focus issues, are there?

[22:18:06]

kormoc:

Saviq, you do realize that xfce4 supports sessions :P

[22:18:21]

kormoc:

there can be when you don't have a window manager

[22:19:05]

Saviq:

yes I do realize

[22:19:29]

Saviq:

I meant 'good, 'cause xfce is lightweight'

[22:19:47]

kormoc:

I'm still confused on why sessions matter at all with myth, or why the WM would matter at all

[22:20:17]

Saviq:

I've had some focus switching issues when I tried to run Myth without a WM

[22:20:34]

Saviq:

I thought switching to opengl gui would end those

[22:20:43]

kormoc:

sure, but how does that imply kde or gnome requirements?

[22:21:08]

Saviq:

for example, when playing a movie in mplayer

[22:21:15]

Saviq:

the focus might not come back to myth

[22:21:19]

juski:

there've been big improvements in mythtv's Internal video player since 0.19, maybe you'd get by without a wm if you only use Internal ;)

[22:21:40]

Saviq:

subtitle support?

[22:21:49]

juski:

no idea

[22:22:29]

kormoc:

don't think so

[22:22:50]

Saviq:

well then I'll stick to mplaeyr

[22:23:04]

Saviq:

I won't get by without subtitles

[22:23:38]

xris:

Saviq: um, you need a WM to manage window focus.

[22:23:54]

Saviq:

yeah I know that

[22:31:17]

juski:

whoah that vnc2swf is nifty!

[22:31:54]

juski:

see if I can import it directly into Vegas..

[22:32:18]

juski:

nope :(

[22:32:36]

SlicerDicer-:

damn it.. I friggin hate ubuntu sometimes

[22:32:43]

SlicerDicer-:

svn refuses to compile lol

[22:32:59]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: svn mythtv or mythplugins?

[22:33:09]

SlicerDicer-:

mythtv

[22:33:20]

SlicerDicer-:

its been doing it for hell as long as I can think haha

[22:33:43]

SlicerDicer-:

tried on edgy, feisty what a load of crap...

[22:33:56]

SlicerDicer-:

I must be missing a dep or something I have no idea

[22:34:10]

SlicerDicer-:

screensaver-x11.cpp:(.text+0x1a43): undefined reference to `std::basic_ostringstream<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >::~basic_ostringstream()'

[22:34:18]

SlicerDicer-:

spams well over 1000 lines of stuff like that

[22:34:41]

SlicerDicer-:

be it audiooutputjack.ccp doing ot screensaver its a billionty11 things

[22:35:04]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: make distclean?

[22:35:23]

SlicerDicer-:

I grabbed fresh svn...

[22:35:25]

SlicerDicer-:

would I need ot?

[22:35:27]

SlicerDicer-:

to rather

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: not on a fresh checkout, no

[22:40:59]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah

[22:41:02]

juski:

whoah!

[22:41:05]

SlicerDicer-:

I must be missing some deps orr somehting

[22:41:15]

juski:

MePo-wide is WAY better than I thought on my 1st impression

[22:41:51]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: anything interesting in svn in the past ohh 2–3 months that would make it neato to break my system for update :)

[22:42:04]

SlicerDicer-:

my backend that is

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scant:

on my imon vfd, the upper right hand goes from a '-' to a '#', does anyone know how to turn this off? is it a heartbeat?

[22:42:51]

juski:

ROFLMAO!

[22:43:10]

juski:

the 'archive files' watermark is ace!

[22:43:28]

juski:

little mepo, with cd in one hand & a match in the other

[22:44:11]

juski:

I'm not worthy!

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tanq:

last time it took me hours on hours to get the cards and remote working.

[22:47:59]

tanq:

mostly the remote..

[22:48:02]

sid3windr:

scant: I have the same problem, but have not looked into it

[22:48:15]

sid3windr:

scant: it is not mythtv specific, if you just start the lcdproc server it already blinks like that

[22:48:18]

kormoc:

tanq, should have saved the lircd.conf and lircrc...

[22:48:27]

tanq:

i did..

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sid3windr:

scant: do you by any chance have a silverstone multimedia case?

[22:48:38]

tanq:

i wipe the system not the /home and /storage partitions

[22:48:45]

tanq:

s/wipe/wiped/

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kormoc:

tanq, lircd.conf is in /etc

[22:48:58]

tanq:

i had a copy in /home ;)

[22:49:01]

sid3windr:

scant: also, do you have the remote working yet? I haven't put too much time in it yet but I don't have that working yet

[22:49:15]

kormoc:

tanq, welp, the quickest way would be to start then

[22:49:20]

tanq:

heh

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scant:

sid3windr: it's like that with just the lcdproc server, i don't have a silverstone, my irmon vfd doesn't have an ir receiver

[22:49:43]

tanq:

i trie knoppmyth and mythdora.. but those didn't seem to be an OTB way to go about it.

[22:49:46]

sid3windr:

ah ok :)

[22:50:06]

sid3windr:

so it's not specific to the vfd supplied with silverstone or so, good.

[22:50:11]

sid3windr:

I guess it's a bug?

[22:50:18]

tanq:

man the kernel confi sure has changed a bit lately.

[22:50:19]

sid3windr:

I haven't contacted the maintainer yet though

[22:50:55]

tanq:

i think my "g" and "d" keys are going out..

[22:51:01]

tanq:

heh..

[22:51:07]

sid3windr:

scant: hmm, bit of googling turns up similar stuff :)

[22:51:25]

scant:

like?

[22:51:45]

tanq:

i'm feeling lazy... i wish there was an autodetect/configure script.. heh..

[22:51:49]

sid3windr:

http://venky.ws/forums/viewtopic.php?t=191&am . . . 3d5540c1ba04

[22:51:59]

sid3windr:

someone's calling it "heartbeat in the top right"

[22:55:23]

scant:

does anyone know how to disable it?

[22:58:00]

sid3windr:

apparently heartbeat=off in one of the config sections

[22:58:11]

sid3windr:

I'm about 900km away from my mythbox right now, so I can't check :p

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scant:

sid3windr: i tried that, didn't seem to work

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sid3windr:

:(

[23:04:54]

** sid3windr just asked in #lcdproc on slashnet **

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scant:

sid3windr: i put it in both the server and client section of LCDd.conf

[23:06:18]

sid3windr:

hmm

[23:06:28]

sid3windr:

http://www.it-forumet.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=17312 also suggests it in [server] ...

[23:08:09]

gbee:

scant: is it also disabled in the mythtv config?

[23:08:18]

Saviq:

guys where's the cutting edge myth repo for ubuntu?

[23:08:22]

Saviq:

!ubuntu

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kormoc:

check the wiki or google

[23:09:06]

sid3windr:

gbee: mythtv has an option for that?

[23:09:07]

xris:

Saviq: that'd probably be svn.mythtv.org. :)

[23:09:13]

sid3windr:

afaics all it said was enable lcd support [x] :)

[23:09:34]

gbee:

yeah – has several lcd options

[23:10:25]

gbee:

including backlight on/off, heartbeat in addition to the more useful stuff like what actually gets displayed on the lcd

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sandeen_:

juski, I like the "appearance" MePo...

[23:12:42]

sid3windr:

hmmm

[23:12:51]

sid3windr:

I'll check that out as soon as I get home :)

[23:13:27]

sid3windr:

scant: maybe you can check? :)

[23:13:28]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: I think it was my configure o ptions

[23:13:56]

gbee:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5730/lcduf6.png

[23:14:30]

Dagmar:

Damn you and your small menu fonts

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

that's simply the latest myth?

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sid3windr:

odd, I didn't seem to notice that when I enabled that option

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sid3windr:

:]

[23:22:09]

sid3windr:

I see the pesky battery applet got to you too ! ;)

[23:23:15]

SlicerDicer-:

ok I could seriously beat some ass right now LOL

[23:23:28]

SlicerDicer-:

2007-04–07 17:23:02.351 Protocol version mismatch (frontend=33,backend=32)

[23:23:29]

SlicerDicer-:

LOL!!!

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sid3windr:

woop.

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, just remember to update mythweb and look at my new pretty mythvideo interface :P

[23:26:55]

SlicerDicer-:

I will

[23:26:55]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: I am going to update everything to latest

[23:26:55]

SlicerDicer-:

kinda forced too now

[23:30:26]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: would you advise against running ntp as a cronjob?

[23:30:41]

kormoc:

yeah, ntpd would be better

[23:31:00]

SlicerDicer-:

ntpd is a peice of shit... it has not ever worked for me with mythtv in the past 2 years

[23:31:29]

SlicerDicer-:

well unless I am tarded and doing something wrong

[23:31:34]

SlicerDicer-:

but I have ntpd running

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sid3windr:

ntpd does not work "with mythtv"

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Saviq:

what's "mythcontrols"?

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, might wanna check via ntptrace and see what it thinks it is doing

[23:33:40]

kormoc:

namely the localhost: line

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SlicerDicer-:

alright

[23:34:00]

SlicerDicer-:

err

[23:34:04]

SlicerDicer-:

kinda died

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SlicerDicer-:

***request timed out

[23:34:17]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

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kormoc:

didn't output a localhost: line at all?

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SlicerDicer-:

nope

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kormoc:

then it's rather broke

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SlicerDicer-:

it did hostname

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kormoc:

well

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kormoc:

that would work too

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: but anyway yeah my mythtv time is always gone stupid

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SlicerDicer-:

I have to manually run it weekly

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sid3windr:

you're saying mythtv has its own time separate from the box's time? :)

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kormoc:

well, what did it say for your localhost time?

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kormoc:

or rather

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kormoc:

your hostname time

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SlicerDicer-:

well my hostname said umm...

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sid3windr:

I think hostname was the title of the table

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SlicerDicer-:

stratum 3, offset -0.001960, synch distance 0.141699

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sid3windr:

;-)

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sid3windr:

oh :)

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, that's correct

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sid3windr:

that doesn't sound too bd

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sid3windr:

heh

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sid3windr:

*bad

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** kormoc wonders why it wouldn't be working for you **

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: so why in the hell is it not updating lol

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

go ahead and cron it, it won't hurt it

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SlicerDicer-:

ok

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SlicerDicer-:

been thinking of running firewiretester as cron too :)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: things have been pretty good for me in svn lately.

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xris:

though I don't reboot or reset my fw boxes that often

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sid3windr:

(you can't cron ntpdate if you're running ntpd)

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SlicerDicer-:

neato xris

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SlicerDicer-:

I updated to SVN when guid came in

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kormoc:

sid3windr, well, one assumes he'd disable ntpd

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SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: indeed :)

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sid3windr:

:-)

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sid3windr:

it was just a hint :)

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SlicerDicer-:

sid3windr: if I wanted to be really strange about it I could have it reset the init ;-)

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Dagmar:

Oh you can cron ntpdate

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Dagmar:

It'll just piss off ntpd

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Dagmar:

Much like giving a tightrope walker an unexpected bitchslap

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

thats awesome though for humor ;-)

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: no, they share the same source port :)

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sid3windr:

lovely analogy though

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Dagmar:

Trust me you can do it if you've bound it to a particular interface. :)

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Dagmar:

When the clock suddenly lunges a minute or two forward it does not make ntpd happy at _all_

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sid3windr:

:-)

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Dagmar:

ugh. whew

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Dagmar:

I have car insurance now.

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BSD_Tech:

mythtv needs a mthirc clirnt

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Dagmar:

Thankfully what the website demands and what the people on the phone demand of one's personal info are not the same

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Dagmar:

I thought I was going to have to cough up my California driver's licence number from two years ago.

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Dagmar:

I'd have to fly to California and probably provide someone with blood and semen samples as proof of identity to find that number out again.

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Dagmar:

BSD_Tech: I think perhaps that's just going to invite people to speak in idjit on IRC more often as they try to use the on-screen keyboard to type.

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Dagmar:

I have a hard enough time dealing with IRC on my Palm T|X

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** sid3windr off to bed, g'night! **

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Dagmar:

A widget that more easily allowed popups to be splattered onto the display would be useful tho

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BSD_Tech:

but for those with a wireless keyboard it would be nice

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