Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, April 6th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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jimbalaya_:

thanks frink_

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jimbalaya_:

sweet – xvidtune shows me my modeline

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calraith:

My apologies for my dismal intelligence guys. I have a Twinhan PCI card based on bt878, does both digital and analog. I'm a Comcast analog-only subscriber. Card tunes fine in Windows, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to make it work analog-ly in Linux (Ubuntu, Gentoo, and KnoppMyth so far). I've modprobed every module I can see when I "modprobe -l | grep bt8" but nothing ever seems to warrant creation of /dev/v

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calraith:

ideo0. if I mknod my own dev node, video apps complain that the device doesn't exist

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calraith:

what the crap am I missing?

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kormoc:

calraith, and what does dmesg say when you modprobe the bt8x8 driver?

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calraith:

bt878: AUDIO driver version 0.0.0 loaded; bt878 audio function found (0); card id=[0x1182],[ Twinhan VisionPlus DVB ] has DVB functions. then some IRQ and memory info

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calraith:

no failures

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kormoc:

that's the audio driver, not the bt8x8 v4l driver

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calraith:

dmesg -> bttv has no failures either... ok, sec...

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calraith:

lol

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calraith:

for i in `modprobe -l | grep bt8`; do insmod $i; done

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calraith:

by god

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calraith:

still "can't open capture device /dev/video0: no such device"

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calraith:

(as opposed to file not found)

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kormoc:

it could be that your device just isn't supported

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kormoc:

as well as it could be /dev/v4l/video0 or similar

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calraith:

I'm starting to think that

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calraith:

or /dev/.static/dev/video0

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calraith:

ya. /dev/.static/dev/video0 has the same major and minor number as /dev/video0

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calraith:

however...

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calraith:

in windows, the driver is called "PCI CX-878 w/ MCU DVB-S/-C/-T/ATSC card"

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calraith:

wonder if the bt8xx module just half asses support for cx-878?

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calraith:

ya know, I've not even examined the physical writing on the chipset on the card.

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kormoc:

the bt 8x8 module is for the brooktree chipset

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calraith:

sec, shutting down myth wannabe box

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calraith:

conexant "fusion 878A"

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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MythLogBot:

mike3_ is here and has been idle for 1 day 8 hours 11 minutes 48 seconds

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kormoc:

cheeseboy, you could ask the bot privately or just ask the server...

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cheeseboy:

i dunno how

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kormoc:

/whois mike3_

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calraith:

with a "Philips" stamp on the RF shielding over the coax inputs

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calraith:

there's no v4l wrapper for windows drivers, like ndiswrapper for wifi, is there?

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kormoc:

nope

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calraith:

hmmm. shit.

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calraith:

can you help me make windows suck less then? =)

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kormoc:

nope, I'm windowsless

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t0ny-p40:

calraith, thats simple

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t0ny-p40:

stop using windows :)

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calraith:

I can't. I'm a desktop support tech. I have to use it to know it, and I have to know it to support it. When I'm at home, I'm in Ubuntu Feisty more than anything though =)

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calraith:

afk smokex0r

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timb_mobile:

Hey guys.

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timb_mobile:

I'm getting a endian error when compiling under OS X on an Intel Mac.

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timb_mobile:

I'm trying to get the backend going, so I don't want to use the perl script.

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timb_mobile:

I've read several places that it does. I can't see why it wouldn't. The only thing stopping it looks like a lack of tuner support. But I'll be using Firewire capture.

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GreyFoxx:

it doesn't

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GreyFoxx:

as of latest SVN it doesn;t compile on OSX

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GreyFoxx:

unless someone slipped a commit in and that I didn't read

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timb_mobile:

What's stopping it from running then? Anything specific?

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tank-man:

yea, the error you are getting :)

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GreyFoxx:

timb_mobile: I've never attempted it myself

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GreyFoxx:

I havcen't even bothered to put the frontend on my mac mini yet

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timb_mobile:

Well... The MythTV Wiki says the front end runs under OS X, and both the front and back end use the same source package, right?

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timb_mobile:

So what broke between it working and not working?

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GreyFoxx:

yes, but there is a configure flag to avoid attempting to compile the backend under OSX

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GreyFoxx:

it never worked

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GreyFoxx:

yes they share common libraries, but some code is skipped under osx

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timb_mobile:

The wiki says use a straight up ./configure

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GreyFoxx:

yes, and on OSX configure auto enables the flag to disable the backend

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timb_mobile:

Ah. Hmm.

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GreyFoxx:

But like I saw, it could have changed recently but I've not seen anyone mention it now working

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GreyFoxx:

so if you are running latest svn you can certainly try

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timb_mobile:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 72?page=last

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timb_mobile:

That's where I was assuming it was running from.

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timb_mobile:

He (seems) to have MythTV-Setup.app working.

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GreyFoxx:

Still doesn't mean the backend will work

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GreyFoxx:

but like I said, certainly try and prove me wrong

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GreyFoxx:

someone might have commited something I missed

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GreyFoxx:

Maybe I'll spend the time to compile it on mine and see

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timb_mobile:

On a semi-related note, does anyone know if channels can be changed via firewire?

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timb_mobile:

I have a Motorola STB with unlocked Firewire I'll be using for output.

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GreyFoxx:

yeah they can

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calraith:

besides my ability to tune analog

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calraith:

! I bet I know

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calraith:

bttv is using tuner=4

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calraith:

but I bet my card has two tuners on it

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timb_mobile:

Hmmm. I have this 3Ghz Shuttle system sitting here. Maybe I'll just pop a FW card in it and make it the back end.

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timb_mobile:

Throw my STB and it in the closet.

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timb_mobile:

Grab an AppleTV and pop MythTV Frontend on it.

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calraith:

hey guys, if I'm correct and this card has two tuners, one for digital and one for analog, how would I figure out what "tuner=" parameter to pass to insmod?

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tank-man:

calraith, are you using the right module?

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calraith:

50,000 google results for "fusion 878A" can't be wrong =)

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calraith:

but

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calraith:

that doesn't describe the tuner(s), only the decoder

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calraith:

is there potentially a separate module for tuner?

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TSCHAK:

hmmmmm, when I try to transcode a recorded show...... I immediately get Status: Errored, exit status 255... what gives?

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xris:

TSCHAK: what kind of recording?

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TSCHAK:

mpeg-2 recording direclty off my pvr-usb2

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** Pryon wonders if there's any resources on the web for how to demo mythtv to a LUG **

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Pryon:

I guess google is my friend.

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Pryon:

Ohhhh. A full presentation with slides and a creative commons license. Lazy me likes this a lot.

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Speedy2:

I'd like to have two modelines for X; one interlaced for most TV and one progressive for DVDs. Any clean way to have MythTV switch modes for me, etc?

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Speedy2:

(i.e. invoke xrandr)

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ectospasm:

The only thing that could save UNIX at this late date would be a new $30

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ectospasm:

shareware version that runs on an unexpanded Commodore 64.

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ectospasm:

--Don Lancaster (1991)

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hjohnson:

heh

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

can somoene help me

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EnterUserName:

im trying to compile mac osx

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EnterUserName:

and its crapping out the svn works but njot the fixes version

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EnterUserName:

and i cant use the svn verison cuz my gentoo box isnt svn :)

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EnterUserName:

can anyoneh elp lol

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xris:

EnterUserName: could upgrade your main box

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DGnome:

http://digg.com/linux_unix/OSP_accelerates_MythTV_development

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EnterUserName:

hi

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EnterUserName:

did anyone compile 0.20 fixes with macos x

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EnterUserName:

mythplugins is breaking my os x.. hrm.. i guess i may file a bug ..

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MaestroTechie:

hey is there any way i can test to see if mythtv-backend is running from the linux command line?

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EnterUserName:

mythbackend --printschedule

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EnterUserName:

that sorta tells u whats going ot be recorded

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MaestroTechie:

well

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MaestroTechie:

my problem is my mythbackend randomly crashes.

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MaestroTechie:

and i need a way to test to see if its in memory to initiate a restart.

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EnterUserName:

oh

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MaestroTechie:

also, for some reason it doesn't automatically start on boot.

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EnterUserName:

i think i fixed my mythtv crap

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EnterUserName:

umm

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MaestroTechie:

i added the command to start it in my startup files..

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MaestroTechie:

but that's a no go.

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EnterUserName:

what distro

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MaestroTechie:

ubuntu

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MaestroTechie:

edgy

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MaestroTechie:

just upgraded

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

user name mythbackend is running as

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EnterUserName:

permission of video files?

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MaestroTechie:

hmm

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MaestroTechie:

hmm

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MaestroTechie:

good question.

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MaestroTechie:

runs at the mythtv user

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MaestroTechie:

doing an '/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend force-reload' works

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MaestroTechie:

i just don't want to have to do it manually.

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** hjohnson debates Mac Mini or Apple TV for hacking into a MythFrontEnd **

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erpo:

How can I get mythfrontend to run automatically when I boot my system? Right now I have to log in and run mythfrontend automatically.

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liri:

it's in the wiki

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liri:

there several ways of doing that, basically you can have your init login automatically to your xwindows server and then run mythfrontend

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erpo:

Just found the page. Thanks.

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liri:

np

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sebrock:

anyone got lucky with Hauppauge HVR-1300 (sound) yet?

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sid3windr:

anyone have a clue about the myth protocol? :)

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jd86:

sid3windr, from what perspective?

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sid3windr:

I'm playing around with telnet before creating something that really speaks myth but I can't seem to grasp how it works; http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_the_Myth_protocol explains nothing about the "command length" bit in front

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sid3windr:

the first number is the length of what you're going to send, what is it followed by? a tab? something else? or am I completely wrong here :)

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AndyCap:

Is it a major undertaking to migrate my recordings from one mythbox to another? or should I just export them and forget about it?

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lyricnz:

Can someone reccomend a good motherboard+cpu for a dedicated frontend? Onboard nvidia, gige, quiet(able).

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lyricnz:

intel core duo, is where it's at nowadays?

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Zider:

intel core ftw

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gardengnome:

<3 core 2 duo

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** lyricnz 's current mythbox is AMD X2, but the quiet PSU blew up, so it's going out to the garage to be a fileserver/backend. **

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lyricnz:

Too many disks in it anyway.

[12:31:45]

Zider:

I think VIAs upcoming chipset is supposed to support HD

[12:32:09]

Zider:

they have a "media-mainboard"-thingie coming for the autumn I bleieve

[12:32:30]

lyricnz:

I'd like onboard video, since it's easier, low-profile, and I don't play games etc on it anyway.

[12:32:36]

slaine_:

Yeah, but linux driver support will be the main issue there I'm sure

[12:33:28]

Zider:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ . . . board_id=450

[12:33:34]

lyricnz:

nvidia binary blob is good enough for me

[12:33:37]

Zider:

slaine_: don't they make their own linux drivers?

[12:33:40]

lyricnz:

fsck oss drivers, they suck

[12:34:24]

slaine_:

lyricnz, I meant for the Via, the nVidia drivers are usually pretty decent.

[12:34:30]

** lyricnz nods **

[12:34:54]

lyricnz:

My current box is nvidia, which would be great, but I can't get it to output a 1080i signal my telly agrees with :(

[12:34:57]

slaine_:

Zider, Yes, Via do produce binary drivers, but they aren't as good a quality

[12:35:06]

lyricnz:

So it's currently SD :(

[12:35:24]

slaine_:

I think you'll need at least a 6000 series card for that.

[12:35:29]

Zider:

slaine_: ah

[12:35:41]

slaine_:

6150 should be a good integrated chipset to look for.

[12:35:47]

** lyricnz has a nv 6600 **

[12:36:04]

slaine_:

Hmm, well from what I know, that should be good enough.

[12:36:06]

Zider:

I have a gf2mx ;D

[12:36:11]

lyricnz:

It does HD via DVI no problem, but my tv only has component. My settop box emits 1080i which it likes fine, though!

[12:36:39]

slaine_:

There are dvi to component break out boxes

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lyricnz:

The card comes with a component breakout cable, which _almost_ works.

[12:37:09]

slaine_:

sigh

[12:37:11]

slaine_:

what a bummer

[12:37:16]

lyricnz:

But alternate lines are offset on the screen

[12:37:25]

lyricnz:

like there's some timing problem with the interlace.

[12:37:27]

lyricnz:

Fuckit.

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xoritor:

what window manager is everyone using?

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** lyricnz has nfi. KDE default I suppose. **

[12:42:24]

xoritor:

heh

[12:42:49]

xoritor:

is there any really good reason to use a full blown kde install?

[12:43:34]

sid3windr:

"it works" ? ;)

[12:43:58]

AndyCap:

How's intel's GMA video support

[12:44:01]

xoritor:

yea but it also uses a ton more memory...

[12:44:12]

xoritor:

AndyCap, i know a few people that love it

[12:44:18]

lyricnz:

Yeah. The machine is dedicated mythbox, 2GB ram, what does it matter?

[12:44:41]

lyricnz:

At the moment 800MB is in buffers/cache, and it's not in swap

[12:44:45]

xoritor:

lyricnz, but not everyone has that

[12:45:04]

lyricnz:

When I ran myth on a smaller box, I use xfce4

[12:45:14]

xoritor:

AndyCap, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 46&num=1

[12:45:23]

xoritor:

im thinking of just starting kwin

[12:45:44]

xoritor:

instead of all of kde

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** lyricnz shrugs **

[12:46:03]

lyricnz:

xfce4 is pretty lightweight and fast

[12:46:04]

xoritor:

im just trying to see if that is "adequate" to fix the focus issues and what not

[12:46:34]

xoritor:

lyricnz, until you start running non xfce apps then it can get more memory use than kde or gnome

[12:47:13]

lyricnz:

My mythbox only runs mythfrontend and mythbackend (and a bit of server junk, like httpd and samba)

[12:47:18]

lyricnz:

Seems to do okay

[12:48:46]

AndyCap:

xoritor: thanks, but they only tested 3d. and I don't really care about 3d performance for mythtv. :P

[12:49:04]

xoritor:

AndyCap, right

[12:49:05]

lyricnz:

but it is ogl these days, right?

[12:49:14]

lyricnz:

unless you use the other renderer thingy

[12:49:31]

AndyCap:

lyricnz: yeah, but that doesn't really take that much. :)

[12:49:42]

xoritor:

AndyCap, from what i hear everyone is very happy with the intel graphics for 2d

[12:49:57]

xoritor:

but that is all subjective

[12:50:16]

xoritor:

i think that the big thing is that its open source

[12:51:38]

AndyCap:

yeah, that's the big draw of it. :)

[12:55:06]

AndyCap:

:/ VC-1 acceleration but no h.264 acceleration.

[12:55:28]

xoritor:

aah

[12:55:31]

xoritor:

well thats a bummer

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AndyCap:

Mm, think Intel's backing the wrong horse there.

[12:57:04]

xoritor:

maybe due to issues with the gpl driver

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xoritor:

yup

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AndyCap:

doh, his signature at the bottom was intel. :)

[13:06:51]

AndyCap:

sounds promising enough though

[13:08:14]

xoritor:

actually it does... makes me wonder about the H.264 in nvidia/ati

[13:08:59]

AndyCap:

xoritor: well, my guess is, ati will be windows only. nvidia may lower themselves to implementing some halfbaked support in the future. :)

[13:09:54]

xoritor:

heh

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AndyCap:

but then again. I'm somewhat cynical. :-P

[13:13:52]

xoritor:

no more than i prolly

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speedsix:

Hi all

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speedsix:

anyone's uk_rt grab not working atm?

[13:31:02]

xoritor:

funny thing... i went and bought a 45db gain amplified indoor antenna and its too powerful for where i am

[13:31:26]

xoritor:

even with a splitter and 2 tuner cards using it at the same time i have to turn off the amp

[13:35:12]

fysa:

45db is a lot.. :P

[13:35:46]

fysa:

you could probably pick up the next town over ;)

[13:37:27]

xoritor:

yEA

[13:37:59]

xoritor:

well they didnt have a ton of options it was this or nothing... and nothing probably would have been fine as all the towers are within 10 miles of me

[13:38:32]

xoritor:

i just didnt want multiple antennas i wanted to get one and split it and have little to no signal loss

[13:38:47]

xoritor:

i do plan on adding more tuners (a few hdtv tuners)

[13:39:02]

xoritor:

;-)

[13:39:17]

fysa:

HDHomerun?

[13:40:31]

xoritor:

whats that?

[13:40:45]

xoritor:

they broadcast pretty much everything hd here

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fysa:

OTA/QAM dual HD tuner -> ethernet

[13:41:19]

fysa:

I want one ;)

[13:41:21]

xoritor:

never heard of that

[13:41:30]

fysa:

but I already have a Dvico Fusion..

[13:41:34]

fryfrog:

why would you want one of those over say, 2 HD pci cards?

[13:42:11]

fysa:

because you don't need to use two PCI slots on it ;)

[13:42:14]

fysa:

and it's device independent..

[13:42:18]

xoritor:

heh

[13:42:36]

fysa:

if my backend is down or off for some reason, I can still use VLC from anywhere else..

[13:43:22]

fysa:

and not that anyone here really cares, but it's the only way to get QAM in Windows without using proprietary tuner software.

[13:43:42]

fysa:

it has a built-in IR tuner..

[13:43:46]

fysa:

and lircd

[13:43:50]

fysa:

er, IR receiver

[13:44:18]

fysa:

and it's cheaper/the same price as two HD tuners..

[13:44:52]

xoritor:

i was just planning on a few of the pchdtv 5500 tuners

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fysa:

http://www.silicondust.com/wiki/products/hdhomerun

[13:46:05]

fysa:

I know someone here uses one.

[13:46:26]

fysa:

but I haven't seen a bad review for it yet..

[13:46:32]

xoritor:

what kinda price is it?

[13:46:43]

fysa:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Silicondust_HDHomeRun

[13:47:37]

xoritor:

heck i may get this AND a few pchdtv 5500s

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speedsix:

silly question, how do I know what user runs the mythfilldatabase script?

[13:52:05]

speedsix:

when it's run automagically

[13:52:24]

fysa:

it's probably the same user that owns the mythbackend process.

[13:52:57]

fysa:

but I don't believe it really matters, as long as the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt is setup properly..

[13:53:12]

speedsix:

any idea why the grabber works if I invoke it directly but mythfilldatabase doesn't download any listings regardless of which user I run it under?

[13:53:22]

sid3windr:

anyone here in .ch with cablecom?

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fysa:

regardless of which user you run it under?

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fysa:

how are you running it under different users?

[13:54:01]

anykey_:

sid3windr: here

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speedsix:

I mean if I use sudo mythfilldatabase

[13:54:16]

sid3windr:

anykey_: do you use cc's dvb-c ?

[13:54:24]

anykey_:

sid3windr: over their stb yes

[13:54:29]

sid3windr:

ah

[13:54:40]

sid3windr:

does the stb have a cam card you can take out?

[13:54:41]

anykey_:

as it's encrypted and there is no legal way to decode it..

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speedsix:

mythfilldatabase runs through without any errors but doesn't add anything to the db

[13:55:02]

sid3windr:

I think it's quite lame to say the digital channels are all included with your subscription, but you still have to rent a stn

[13:55:05]

speedsix:

if I run tv_grab_uk_rt on it's own it gets data

[13:55:05]

sid3windr:

*stb

[13:55:09]

sid3windr:

oh :(

[13:55:23]

sid3windr:

so you can't simply get a dvb-c pci card with cam slot and insert the card there?

[13:55:26]

anykey_:

sid3windr: no

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sid3windr:

blargh, that's lame

[13:56:07]

anykey_:

well, it's better than analogue only..

[13:56:27]

fysa:

I don't know. I set mythfilldatabase to run automatically from the frontend setup and it just works..

[13:56:48]

anykey_:

much better signal over s-video than over the normal cable... just get a capture card with s-video input, a scart to s-video converter cable and an ir-blaster, and you're ready ;-)

[13:59:37]

sid3windr:

hehe

[13:59:49]

sid3windr:

I still think it's lame

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anykey_:

of course it is

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sid3windr:

and my capture cards don't have s-video in!

[14:00:10]

sid3windr:

they have composite in though ;/

[14:00:17]

sid3windr:

and an ir blaster, meh

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anykey_:

you could also wait until they release cams...

[14:00:38]

anykey_:

but I think you'll have to wait some years..

[14:00:40]

sid3windr:

are they planning to do that?

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sid3windr:

heh

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sid3windr:

I mean if you have something like a dreambox you'd want to put the card in there, I guess

[14:01:04]

sid3windr:

and now I have a myth backend I want to use! goddamnit =)

[14:01:12]

sid3windr:

ah well, I'll start with analog and see.

[14:01:26]

sid3windr:

thanks for the info :)

[14:01:30]

anykey_:

i think it only needs some time

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AndyCap:

aren't us companies going with CableCard/OpenCable instead of dvb cams?

[14:01:39]

anykey_:

AndyCap: we are in .ch

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AndyCap:

achaa. :)

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sid3windr:

I'm actually belgian, but at the moment I'm in .ch visiting my fiancé's parents ;)

[14:02:19]

sid3windr:

thought of putting a backend here to record stuff

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anykey_:

hehe

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sid3windr:

unfortunately livetv won't work too well with cablecom's 300kbit upload

[14:02:44]

anykey_:

it works very well with 1mbit/s upload :D

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sid3windr:

it does?

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anykey_:

though you need to do some transcoding

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sid3windr:

I asked in here before and everyone said I'd need like 5Mbit

[14:03:13]

anykey_:

yes, if you don't do transcoding

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sid3windr:

transcoding is possible on livetv?

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sid3windr:

to what do you transcode?

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anykey_:

i'm using vlc to do that

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anykey_:

h264

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sid3windr:

heh

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sid3windr:

don 't you need a bigass box for that ? :)

[14:04:19]

anykey_:

with a VBR of 500kbit/s and mp3 96kbit/s audio...

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anykey_:

no, not at so small things, only if you want to do H264 HDTV...

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sid3windr:

aha

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anykey_:

cpu load on an amd64 3200 is about 30% when transcoding

[14:05:03]

sid3windr:

well, I only have a p3 1GHz to spare at the moment :P

[14:05:20]

sid3windr:

I'll tinker a bit at home first, with my line wondershaped to 750kbit

[14:05:42]

sid3windr:

then I have to think wether the extra 20 CHF for more upload is worth it

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hm, disconnected.

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sid3windr:

:)

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jimbalaya:

i am having the *worst* time trying to install lirc on my Debian Etch system ... does anyone have any links that might be of use?

[14:21:20]

Dagmar:

You might find it easier to just build it from source

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jimbalaya:

i tried that, and it gave me a message about having a tainted kernel

[14:25:00]

jimbalaya:

'take my tears and that's not nearly all ... ohhhh tainted kernel ... tainted kernel'

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Dagmar:

That can't be. it's a normal GPL kernel module that it builds

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qu0zl:

jimbalaya, you sure you didn't already have a tainted kernel? Nvidia binary driver by any chance?

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jimbalaya:

i didn't add an nvidia binary driver ... does etch do it automatically?... (i'd doubt it)

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xzcvczx:

has anyone used a microsoft media center keyboard/mouse in myth or can anyone confirm or not whether it works?

[14:27:26]

Dagmar:

The wireless one will not

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qu0zl:

no idea jimbalaya , doesn't sound very debian though. so i'd guess not

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: whats the reason for that?

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jimbalaya:

i had previously tried to install lirc via debian packages and make-kpkg, so i could have tainted something that way

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jimbalaya:

I'll just re-install ... I'm still learning this mythtv malarky, and I'm building the system specifically for that so I don't mind

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jimbalaya:

then I'll try to build w/ source instead

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ben:

anyone know if linux mce works on kubuntu 6.10?

[14:38:36]

xzcvczx:

does anyone know another wireless keyboard with integrated mouse(like the knob some laptops had)?

[14:39:23]

Dagmar:

xzcvczx: I found two that look okay on NewEgg. The $30 one I would avoid tho since the comments lead me to believe it's crap ("don't type faster than 30 wpm or it'll drop keys" and so on)

[14:39:29]

ben:

gigabyte makes them i thinik

[14:39:32]

Dagmar:

The $50-ish one is probably the one I will order next week

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xzcvczx:

newegg? sorry i am from new zealand so dont really know those sort of sites... just www.newegg.com?

[14:41:23]

ben:

i am also from nz :)

[14:41:37]

xzcvczx:

ben: what part?

[14:41:43]

ben:

check on www.pricespy.co.nz

[14:41:46]

ben:

christchurch

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ben:

there is no point buying from us, if you get a shit one it will take ages to send it back

[14:42:32]

xzcvczx:

ben: yeah was going to look up a model/manufacturer number first

[14:42:40]

xzcvczx:

good ol' pricespy :)

[14:43:09]

ben:

i've seen a gigabyte one in dick smiths with the thumb ball in the corner, thats what you want right?

[14:43:23]

xzcvczx:

yeah

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ben:

where are you from?

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xzcvczx:

auckland city....

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xzcvczx:

only seem to sell as a combo at dse

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ps_:

hi, can someone here help me getting a microsoft remote keyboard to work?

[14:46:43]

ben:

just go and haggle with them, i can't find anything but wireless mouse+keyboard combos

[14:47:20]

ben:

i am looking at making my desktop into a server/media center with linux mce, so tv card and wireless control is needed

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ps_:

downloaded and compÃ®led driver from sourceforge.net, but I get "kernel: lirc_mod_mce: Unknown symbol lirc_get_pdata"

[14:47:34]

ben:

probably look at a wii remote

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xzcvczx:

at the moment just use mythtv using the network control feature with a java program i made to connect to it and if you hit e it types e you dont have to type 'key e'

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ben:

hmm im learning java, seems prety easy

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ben:

is the new tv HD?

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gaspipe1:

hey all

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ben:

hi

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xzcvczx:

yup

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ben:

how much was that

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xzcvczx:

3200

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xzcvczx:

+200 for wall mount

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ben:

shit :o

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xzcvczx:

crap the microsoft one is only $100 pity it dont work

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ben:

i try to have as little ms as possible

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xzcvczx:

yeah but trying to find exactly what i want that wont cost me my right arm and my left leg isnt so easy

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ben:

yea i know what you mean

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ben:

at least linux hardware suport is getting better

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xzcvczx:

well i thought something like that would be workable almost instantly like it works on infrared so you would think that even if you cant use the usb ir adaptor it comes with you should be able to use it with a homemade ir adaptor and lirc

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xzcvczx:

headphone jack? thats a weird thing not to work

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ben:

yea some alsa problem

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ben:

i hope the barstards have fixed it in feisty

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xzcvczx:

pity they dont have via smart5.1 working either

[14:59:22]

ben:

aparently i can fix it but it didn't work for me

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ben:

via = shit

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xzcvczx:

what other mobo can i get that will fit in an xbox

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xzcvczx:

ben can i pm you?

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ben:

sure

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ben:

i can't reply because im not registered

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xzcvczx:

oh ok

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ben:

got msn

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xzcvczx:

yup

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xzcvczx:

putting in pm now

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ncd209:

hi

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ncd209:

are there any satallite tv tuners that work well with nix?

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fryfrog:

depends on the sat

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fryfrog:

dtv/dish/sky — no

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fryfrog:

fta type stuff — yes

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fryfrog:

beyond that, i dunno :)

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ncd209:

ive seen them as pci cards before i knew of nix solutions .. i was figureing you could just run the sattalite application and then feed the output into the input of the supported tuner on the svhs ..

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ncd209:

so you could just blat the coax straight into the back

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fryfrog:

again, you'll need to be more specific about the sat you are trying to recieve

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ncd209:

i think what we recieve here in the uk is stb

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fryfrog:

isn't the UK "sky"?

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ncd209:

sky?

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ncd209:

yep

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fryfrog:

So you want to recieve Sky?

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ncd209:

yea

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fryfrog:

i'm in the US, so anything i tell you is based on reading and chatter here... so take it for what its worth

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ncd209:

k ;)

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fryfrog:

i don't think it is possible, with a plain old card

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fryfrog:

but

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psofa:

anyone knows why mythbackend forks this many processes?

[15:15:35]

fryfrog:

psofa: it should only have one mythbackend process

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fryfrog:

and it'll occasionally spawn a "mythcommflag" or two (or transcode, etc)

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psofa:

cool

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psofa:

i see 15

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psofa:

:P

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fryfrog:

15 *mythbackend* s?

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xzcvczx:

can people please tell me time/specs it takes to make a 'good' rip of a dvd in mythtv?

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psofa:

fryfrog, yes

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fryfrog:

weird

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psofa:

no shit :P

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fryfrog:

whats the log say?

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psofa:

i had also 5 apache's but that was normal and i limited them

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psofa:

lemme check

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fryfrog:

5 apache's isn't weird :)

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fryfrog:

I prolly have like 20–50

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fryfrog:

or 13 :)

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LoneShadow:

whats the best way to backup a dvd to divx ?

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LoneShadow:

preferablly from command prompt ?

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xzcvczx:

LoneShadow: mythdvd

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xzcvczx:

is one way to do it :P

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LoneShadow:

hmm, maybe I should try that and see :)

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xzcvczx:

if you do can you tell me specs of your computer and the time it says it will take to transcode?

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xzcvczx:

but give it a minute or 2 to stabilise before you tell me

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psofa:

fryfrog, i dont see anything wierd in the logs, the only thing that sounds wierd is "2007-04–06 18:36:33.987 New DB connection, total: 6"

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jimbalaya:

when i build lirc from source, will i need to install any debian packages? (i know there's a lirc package, and a lirc-modules-source package)

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fryfrog:

i think you can use the uh... apt-get build-req?

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fryfrog:

or something like that

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fryfrog:

you basically tell apt to get you the build requirements for lirc, then build it yourself

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fryfrog:

make sense?

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Dagmar:

If it builds you don't need to add anything else to the system

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kabtoffe:

build-dep

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Dagmar:

It'll carp and exit if it can't build

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kabtoffe:

then fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage

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LoneShadow:

xzcvczx: having some problems using mythdvd

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xzcvczx:

LoneShadow: like?

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LoneShadow:

playback is fine, when I try to backup, it played the movie for few seconds (with audio off-sync) and then it just stopped

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xzcvczx:

LoneShadow: after it was ripped?

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LoneShadow:

while ripping, there is an option to view

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xzcvczx:

yeah just ignore that

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xzcvczx:

just hit 0

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xzcvczx:

i have not had 1 out of sync dvd

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LoneShadow:

dont we get the settings page when we hit 0 ?

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xzcvczx:

nah when you have finished changing settings you hit 0 again instead of view

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xzcvczx:

so change iso copy to 'good'

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xzcvczx:

check its the right title

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xzcvczx:

then hit 0

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LoneShadow:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:ImportOptions.jpg

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LoneShadow:

I get this kinda image

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LoneShadow:

what do I do next ?

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LoneShadow:

it shows 0 process selected title

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LoneShadow:

oh hit 0 after that

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LoneShadow:

brb

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xzcvczx:

correct

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xzcvczx:

well hit 0

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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MythLogBot:

mike3_ is here and has been idle for 1 day 23 hours 18 minutes 27 seconds

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xzcvczx:

and it will start ripping

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LoneShadow:

xzcvczx: you got my messages ?

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LoneShadow:

Error: DVDPerfectThread read failed ..

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LoneShadow:

anyone know how to bypass this issue ?

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LoneShadow:

suspecting on libdvdcss

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xzcvczx:

doesnt anyone back up dvds to divx?

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fryfrog:

someone must, they are all over the newsgroups :)

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xzcvczx:

yeah and not one benchmark of doing it its all worthless crap which wont even give me an idea of the time required

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fryfrog:

i think dvd -> divx is just one of those things you should do overnight

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fryfrog:

i think 3–4 hours for a good conversion is reasonable

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xzcvczx:

yeah not when i am trying to get my large collection done

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fryfrog:

especially if you go into multi-pass

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xzcvczx:

you reckon... i have 12 at the moment

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xzcvczx:

and am trying to get it down to 1–3 hrs

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Dagmar:

If you go into multi-pass then 3–4 hours is a damn miracle

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xzcvczx:

well does mythdvd do multi-pass by default

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xzcvczx:

and is it quality or size that is killed by single pass?

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Dagmar:

size

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Dagmar:

With multi-pass the first time through it's basically going through and measuring things to see where it can increase the compression without sacrificing quality

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gardengnome:

size and quality are related.. ;)

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Dagmar:

...with single pass, the quality is fixed, so there's no control over the size

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fryfrog:

well, with multipass quality *and* size are affected

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Dagmar:

Yes, but it's quality where you dont' relaly need it

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fryfrog:

because if it finds it can reduce the bitrate in one place, it can also increase it in another that needs it

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fryfrog:

just like VBR mp3s

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Dagmar:

Like if the screen is all black, then quality can suck and you won't know.

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fryfrog:

exactly

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fryfrog:

well

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opello:

you can still see macroblocks on a solid color scene

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fryfrog:

quality != bitrate

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opello:

and it still is annoying

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fryfrog:

you mean *bitrate* can suck and it won't matter

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xzcvczx:

well i need quality but im not particularly worried about the size at the moment as i have a empty 400gig but i have got a lot of dvds to rip

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Dagmar:

Make a video that's ten minutes of black and tell me if you can tell what the quality is

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Dagmar:

;)

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fryfrog:

xzcvczx: use multipass, its dumb not to

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gardengnome:

black blockiness :/

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: hmmm crap

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fryfrog:

for instance, if you have an action scene you want a high bitrate

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xzcvczx:

yeah true

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Dagmar:

Like spotting a black cat in a basement at midnight

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fryfrog:

but on a movie of just grass or something, it can lower it

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xzcvczx:

i need another 5 computers i reckon as backends

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: you mean, like religion? ;)

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sid3windr:

:p

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fryfrog:

I've done some DVD -> DiVX (or was it xvid?)

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: lol you never know you want quite good quality for shrek when hes running through the shimmering grass

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xzcvczx:

:P

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fryfrog:

using AutoGK i think

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xzcvczx:

AutoGK?

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fryfrog:

its a windows app, afaik

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opello:

yeah that's what i've used

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xzcvczx:

fsck

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fryfrog:

Auto Gordian Knot i think it stands for

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opello:

and acidrip for linux

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opello:

and dvd::rip/transcode

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fryfrog:

i don't recall exactly how long it took, but i usually let it do one a night

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xzcvczx:

opello: specs/time?

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fryfrog:

i wasn't in any rush or anything

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opello:

xzcvczx: we did 'hackers' at a lug meeting, two pass, distributed over a few computers and laptops, with multipass

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opello:

probably 3 hours

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opello:

with decent results around a gig

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opello:

it was someone's presentation :)

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xzcvczx:

hmmm what did you use for the distributedness?

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opello:

that was dvdrip/transcode

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opello:

http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/ looks right

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xzcvczx:

pity transcode doesnt have any xvmc functionality might bring the time/cpu load down a wee bit

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gbee:

need some help getting MythArchive to behave properly – I need it to do the following a) NOT retranscode mpeg2 video b) delete temp files as it finishes using them c) possibly stop mangling the menu images

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gbee:

I'll settle for any of those if people know what needs to be done

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gbee:

alternatively if anyone knows of an (all in) linux package that will take mpeg2 files and convert them to the correct format for burning – that would be great :)

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Dagmar:

transcode will do it

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Dagmar:

You jsut have to be versed in the black arts of knowing what to tell transcode

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Dagmar:

same kinda goes for ffmpeg

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gbee:

indeed

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Dagmar:

VDub under windows to the rescue then

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gbee:

heh, don't have Windows :)

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juski:

evening all

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juski:

naughty me, looked at the log before coming in

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juski:

doesn't lossless transcode do similar to the ffmpeg line I just posted? with cutpoints I mean...

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gbee:

juski: thanks – Dagmar reminded me that mythtranscode was supposed to be able to output a DVD compliant file

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gbee:

just checked, takes the arg --ostream dvd

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juski:

I need to have a good sit down with mytharchive & beat the crap out of it until it works

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gbee:

I've used it in the past, but I can't remember how well it worked

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juski:

mythtranscode can soil itself with uk dvb-t streams though I find

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juski:

for no apparent reason too – meaning a look into the source to find out what the error was

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gbee:

juski: I'd like to do that – maybe after this I'll actually do it, a few simple changes should make it behave acceptably

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** xzcvczx cant believe how much people want for a wall mounted bracket to hold a dvd player **

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** juski hands xzcvczx a big lump-hammer **

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gbee:

my major problem with mythtranscode is that it keeps reversing the audio streams

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xris:

xzcvczx: that's because a long cable is far more sensible. :)

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juski:

there! a hole in the wall to shove a dvd player into :)

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juski:

gbee: use that ffmpeg command & it magics away the nasty AD tracks

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juski:

stuarta was talking about improving the recording PID filters when he gets the chance

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gbee:

ok, will give it a go

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juski:

so we oculd have a 'don't record the streams I don't want, silly' option ;)

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xzcvczx:

juski: lol thanks but its actually for a pc and i just generalised by saying dvd player as they are a more likely thing to mount to a wall

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gbee:

would solve the problem, well workaround it anyway :)

[17:24:25]

juski:

or just find out why mythtranscode has a doodoo..

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juski:

I heard a rumour it was mostly changes in the # of streams in a recording

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juski:

or res. changes

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juski:

res/aspect

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xris:

xzcvczx: same solution can apply...

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gbee:

excellant, that ffmpeg line was pretty damn fast

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gbee:

two down, three to go

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ivor:

juski: 1080p! wooooooooooooo.

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SlicerDicer-:

hmm

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** SlicerDicer- wonders if he should mess with http://www.pcsx2.net/index.php with myth :) **

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juski:

ivor: yay!

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ivor:

xzcvczx: you could use xvmc to help transcoding... but the problem is most of the work is in encoding. and the decoded image will be in the frame buffer somewhere and the data transfer speed won't be great.

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juski:

pity there's none on terezzy tho eh

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xzcvczx:

ivor: oh ok

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juski:

not that I'm err. _jealous_ or anything ;)

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gbee:

oh ... crap

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gbee:

ffmpeg was picking the first audio stream – but mythtranscode had already reversed them in a couple of cases

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gbee:

I'm going to be in trouble with my little sister :)

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gbee:

her own fault for having me record her soaps

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kormoc:

just tell her the truth... myth didn't think it was healthy for her to watch them :P

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gbee:

:D

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gbee:

any ideas how to tell ffmpeg to use the second audio stream for the rest of them?

[18:18:37]

** gbee should probably just read the manual **

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janneg:

gbee: -map should be the correct command line option

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gbee:

janneg: thanks

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janneg:

but don't ask for details I forget them every time

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janneg:

maybe -map 2:1 is enough

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janneg:

before the output file

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EnterUserName:

is there a way to make the mytharchive better quality

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EnterUserName:

the quality sucks compared to nuvexport :)

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juski:

well anyway ivor congrats.. I'm off to see someone about a few beers

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juski:

ttfn y'all

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gbee:

-map 0:0 -map 0:2 was the magic combination

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gbee:

0:0 for video, 0:2 for the second audio (the third stream)

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EnterUserName:

why does dvdauthor have to be so difficult :p

[18:32:09]

EnterUserName:

and time consuimg :S

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gbee:

exactly

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EnterUserName:

mytbburn does a nice job

[18:33:04]

EnterUserName:

but the quality sucks for the dvd

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gbee:

if only mytharchive did what it promised

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EnterUserName:

so i need to use nuvexport.. and i dont want to make my own menus.. maybe i somehow merge the 2

[18:35:03]

EnterUserName:

lol

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EnterUserName:

is the quality just as bad if i use a MPG from NUVEXPORT with archive?

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gbee:

dunno, all my recordings are in mpeg2 natively

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EnterUserName:

huh?

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EnterUserName:

i use nuvexport dvd format is that mpeg2?

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Saviq:

dvd IS mpeg2

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gbee:

digital – dvb, no re-encoding required therefore no loss of quality (just sound in my case)

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EnterUserName:

with mytharchive is good for making the menus.. lets hope they can get it nice quality soon :)

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gbee:

hmm, didn't like the mytharchive menus – the menu images were full of jpeg type artifacts when I tried it

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

well i'll look at figuring out how to use dvdauthor

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EnterUserName:

what takes more time creating your own jpegs and setting up chapters

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EnterUserName:

or learning how ot use the dvdauthor lol

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gbee:

looked like they'd been compressed to hell and back

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xzcvczx:

anyone here got a plasma mounted to a solid concrete wall?

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hjohnson:

xzcvczx: no, but shouldn't be too hard if you have the right tools

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** hjohnson hands xzcvczx an impact drill and concrete bits **

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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MythLogBot:

mike3_ is here and has been idle for 2 days 2 hours 11 minutes 24 seconds

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Cardoe:

kormoc: ping

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kormoc:

Cardoe, pong

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Cardoe:

kormoc: see the fancy new masked ebuild in the tree?

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kormoc:

nope?

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Cardoe:

well it's oldish cause I wrote it while you were on vacation

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Cardoe:

need to update it.

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Cardoe:

ls /usr/portage/media-tv/mythtv/

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kormoc:

ahh, nice, a -fixes

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Cardoe:

?

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kormoc:

sadly, I'm stuck on -trunk right now :/

[18:57:10]

Cardoe:

what do you mean a -fixes?

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kormoc:

0.21_pre isn't a -fixes?

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Cardoe:

no.

[18:57:20]

Cardoe:

that's a -trunk

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Cardoe:

svn checkout

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

duh

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kormoc:

I read it as 0.20.1 for some reason

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Cardoe:

0.20_p# is a -fixes

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kormoc:

yeah...

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kormoc:

niftyness

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Cardoe:

It'll svn checkout the first time

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xzcvczx:

hjohnson: more in reguards to what i should be using in the hole

[18:58:04]

Cardoe:

and do svn up's for the future.

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xzcvczx:

like would plastic wall anchors be sufficient if thye are like for 3/8" screws?

[18:58:31]

Cardoe:

kormoc: what version of trunk are you on?

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kormoc:

Cardoe, will changing the pre#### change the revision?

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** kormoc peers **

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Cardoe:

kormoc: yes

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kormoc:

looks like 12938 right now, tho I gotta update it again

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Cardoe:

I would use trunk if it compiled

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Cardoe:

there's depend issues with the build system still

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Cardoe:

and I haven't worked up a patch for trunk yet

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kormoc:

huh, fair 'nuff

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kormoc:

Cardoe, when you update to trunk, give the new mythweb mythvideo interface a try :P

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gbee:

so that ffmpeg line doesn't produce DVD compliant output :(

[19:03:01]

jimbalaya:

when installing lirc manually, the INSTALL file says to run './setup.sh && make install' however, if I run just './setup.sh' it tells me to run 'make' and then 'make install' ........ sugggestions?

[19:03:19]

Cardoe:

run make and then make install

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hjohnson:

xzcvczx: here's what I would do..

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xzcvczx:

...

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hjohnson:

I would put up a piece of plywood... then expansion bolts holding the plywood to the concrete, then attach the tv to the plywood

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Cardoe:

CB walls?

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Cardoe:

I had the same issue

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jimbalaya:

wtf, it tells me to run make and make install, but neither have any targets

[19:10:45]

Cardoe:

I took a piece of 1/2" think plywood

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Cardoe:

took some tap con screws and stuck that in

[19:11:12]

Cardoe:

attached my wall mount to the plywood and was done with it.

[19:11:56]

Cardoe:

Using tap con as well

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Cardoe:

the plywood was for some support in case the CB crumbled a but.

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Cardoe:

er bit

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jimbalaya:

is it supposed to say 'You will have to use the lirc_i2c kernel module.' and then tell me to run make and make install ?

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janneg:

Cardoe: unpatched trunk compiles fine manually on my gentoo system

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Cardoe:

janneg: I have linking issues

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janneg:

ah, I remenber that

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MrIch:

hmm I have updated my tv box to debian etch

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Cardoe:

janneg: if I go in there by hand and do make inside one of the lib directories

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Cardoe:

then emerge again...

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Cardoe:

it works

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MrIch:

with the most recent fglrx driver

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janneg:

Cardoe: strange

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MrIch:

now my live view and recored view is corrupted

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Cardoe:

janneg: I had the same issue with 0.20

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MrIch:

there seems to be a zoom issue?!

[19:17:54]

Cardoe:

janneg: There's a patch for 0.20 in Gentoo

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MrIch:

any ideas for solving my problem?

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xoritor:

ok how about this one... not finding much on google... MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Could not set MPEG controls eno: Invalid argument (22)

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xoritor:

worked before rebooting

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xoritor:

not after

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xoritor:

grr

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xoritor:

i think i see it

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xoritor:

ivtv0: Registered device video1 for encoder MPEG (4 MB)

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xoritor:

last reboot it was video0

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xoritor:

and the bttv was video1

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xoritor:

so the backend has them setup that way

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xoritor:

sigh

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xoritor:

thx for listening!

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xoritor:

;-)

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** xoritor loves a captive audience **

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gardengnome:

nice

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Dibblah:

Probably no linux drivers and no support for > NTSC resolutions :(

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Saviq:

how does Myth run on Gentoo, is it worth the time?

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kormoc:

Saviq, lots of people use myth on gentoo... as for if it's worth it or not, that depends on more if you like gentoo or not

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frink_:

Hey..

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frink_:

Is there a issue with mythtv where even though you tell it to record, and the recording gets to the scuedlues it does not get into the upcoming recordings and so does not get recorded?

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Saviq:

if you're asking for it – there probably is ;)

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frink_:

:-)

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xoritor:

ok

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xoritor:

so my question is how do i change audio when i change video

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xris:

huh? that should be configured in the backend tuner setup.

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xoritor:

the bttv is pointing to /dev/dsp1 in backend

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xris:

xoritor: frontend is for output. backend is for input

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gbee:

frink_: I've actually not heard of that problem, if you can provide logs and plenty of info then definately open a ticket

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xoritor:

xris, making sure again

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xoritor:

i may have put it on the wrong one

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xoritor:

heh

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xoritor:

no i had it right

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EnterUserName:

frink: i think i had that problem when my database was corrupted

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EnterUserName:

though i could be wrong.

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xoritor:

its set to use /dev/dsp1

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EnterUserName:

I wonder why myth doesnt use innodb tables :)

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gbee:

EnterUserName: speed

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xoritor:

but when i switch tuners no sound

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gbee:

but depending on your system you may be able to get away with innodb

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EnterUserName:

xoritor: i had a problem with an adaptec with no sound

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EnterUserName:

tuner

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EnterUserName:

..

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gbee:

some users struggle even with MyISAM

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xoritor:

these are both Hauppauge cards

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xoritor:

and the pvr150 works wonderfully... but only video from the older Bt878 card

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xoritor:

odd

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xoritor:

i get some output

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xoritor:

cat /dev/dsp1 > out causes it to grow

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xoritor:

causes the file "out" to grow that is

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xoritor:

now i do NOT have a connector cable

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xoritor:

since with alsa that is not supposed to be needed

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sid3windr:

afaik there aren't a lot of bt8x8 cards that support dma audio

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xoritor:

so i just need to ditch that old dang card...

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xoritor:

will it record with audio?

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Cardoe:

kormoc: so.. if ya want... try out my ebuild.. just bump the version number... or tell me a version number and I'll bump it in Portage.

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Cardoe:

kormoc: I'm also gonna work on some trunk based ones for the plugins

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frink_:

gbee: Will do

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t0ny-p40:

Is there any websites that will tell me how well the firewire is in my area/cable co?

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Dagmar:

nope

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juski:

weh-hey! :)

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Saviq:

ello

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** juski beers everyone **

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Saviq:

no, please, not anymore...

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juski:

yeah reckon i've had enough tonight

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** juski struggles to focus **

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gardengnome:

i'm out of beer :/

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juski:

awoooga! awooga! No beer alert!

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juski:

;)

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Saviq:

rotfl

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juski:

eep – I said I was gonna be tryin gto code some mythmusic button codering this weekend didn't I.. oops

[22:28:04]

juski:

ahhh tomorrow.. tis only saturday tomorrow

[22:29:02]

jimbalaya:

the pvr150 remote is supposed to use the i2c driver, right?

[22:29:15]

juski:

fink so yesh

[22:29:30]

juski:

unless you've got a USB MCE thingy

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jimbalaya:

hm, nope

[22:29:59]

jimbalaya:

lirc is the *worst* thing I've ever tried to install in linux, so far

[22:30:12]

juski:

yeah it's a doozy alright

[22:30:13]

jimbalaya:

and that includes my first attempt at rebuilding my kernel

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juski:

I found it painful trying to do it on ubuntu

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jimbalaya:

i'm on debian etch

[22:30:55]

juski:

then I just ditched the module-utils method & built from source myself

[22:31:17]

jimbalaya:

i'm trying the source route right now, but it's giving me odd pseudo-errors

[22:31:27]

jimbalaya:

i just removed it completely and i'm going to start over

[22:31:43]

jimbalaya:

previously i got to where it'd load the module, but tell me that i had a tainted kernel

[22:31:43]

juski:

go get em!

[22:31:52]

jimbalaya:

and testing it produced no feedback

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jimbalaya:

(cat /dev/lirc???)

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juski:

sounds to me like you know what you're doing

[22:32:15]

jimbalaya:

well, i know how it SHOULD work

[22:32:16]

juski:

mostly ;)

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jimbalaya:

:-)

[22:32:24]

juski:

you'll crack it

[22:32:45]

** juski clones some more clued users & releases them into the wild **

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jimbalaya:

i have a feeling that there's a 2.6.18 / 0.8.1 issue

[22:33:20]

jimbalaya:

one place mentions using CVS

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juski:

yeah I had bother with 0.7.9. upgrading to 0.8.0 fixed it IIRC

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jimbalaya:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24

[22:43:03]

jimbalaya:

this guy seems to have hacked together a pvr150-specific lirc

[22:43:06]

jimbalaya:

*shrug*

[22:43:22]

juski:

that might be a bit long in the tooth now

[22:43:29]

juski:

been around ages, that page

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jimbalaya:

oh, yeah, it's pre-081

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juski:

talks about patching & all sorts that prolly isn't necessary anymore

[22:44:10]

jimbalaya:

which should probably be less helpful than actual 081

[22:44:27]

juski:

anyhoo I'm gonna go have a chill for a bit

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juski:

I is bushed

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jimbalaya:

have the fun

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jimbalaya:

does anyone in here actually have a pvr-150 and use their remote? .......

[22:53:07]

jimbalaya:

i need to know if the piece you plug in to the back of the card is supposed to glow red or not

[22:53:35]

jimbalaya:

if i kinda half-plug it in (it seems to me that it's kinda half plugged in) its red LED will be on

[22:53:44]

jimbalaya:

but if i plug it in all the way, the LED is off

[22:54:32]

Saviq:

ok then... fcuk gentoo... three times I've tried to install – no luck

[22:54:57]

jimbalaya:

hehe, you made it through three attempts?

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lyricnz:

"gentoo – for people with nothing better to do"

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jimbalaya:

i think i got halfway through one, thought 'this is STUPID' and then put debian back in

[22:56:19]

** lyricnz is soooo lazy, he uses fedora **

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frink_:

Hey juski

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Saviq:

well I think I'll be better off with ubuntu

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Saviq:

one thing – does the new myth gui use qt widgets or is it independent?

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jimbalaya:

AHHA

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jimbalaya:

Grey/Black (A415-HPG) Hauppauge remote with the 4 color buttons at the bottom. If you have this remote, the lirc that ships with Edgy will not work. You must compile the CVS version of lirc.

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** jimbalaya uninstalls lirc .......... again........ **

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frink_:

I would like to get the remote on the nova-t 500 working..

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unkn0wn2u:

Is there a setting for disk usage ? because my hd just filled up and crashed my box

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jimbalaya:

I *HATE* lirc

[23:18:39]

jimbalaya:

i've been trying to get it installed for the past 7 hours

[23:18:47]

jimbalaya:

well, it's *installed*

[23:18:52]

jimbalaya:

but it doesn't *work*

[23:19:02]

jimbalaya:

and i keep finding different ways of getting it in there

[23:19:06]

jimbalaya:

which, i think, is stupid

[23:19:21]

jimbalaya:

but, i'm in the middle of another possibility, so, brb

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unkn0wn2u:

jimbalaya: I always had a problem with lirc and /dev/lirc it was actually udevs fault i think

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unkn0wn2u:

lircd seemed to work but when i ran irw it crashed

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unkn0wn2u:

running gentoo helped a lot! ubuntu and fedora were both a horrible experience for me dealing with lirc

[23:25:08]

jimbalaya:

irw relies on (i believe) lircd to know which device to use, and sometimes lircd thinks it's looking at the corrent device, when it's not .... but i have also read about udev problems, which i don't know anything about yet

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Saviq:

ubuntu was not so bad imho

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Saviq:

had to compile from source, tho' ;]

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unkn0wn2u:

jimbalaya: if you make a symlink and reboot the symlink goes away so i modified /etc/init.d/lircd to start lirc with lircd -d /dev/lirc/0

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unkn0wn2u:

Saviq: do you use mplayer with lirc or are you using xmodmap

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kormoc:

unkn0wn2u, or you can edit /etc/conf.d/lircd to do the proper -d dev so it will update properly in the future

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unkn0wn2u:

kormoc: where were you 6 months ago?

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kormoc:

likely not paying attention when you were around

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unkn0wn2u:

haha do you use irexec ?

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kormoc:

I do not, I just use myth's and mpalyer's built in lirc support

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jimbalaya:

this is STUPID

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jimbalaya:

are there log files that i'm not aware of?

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jimbalaya:

there's /var/log/lircd

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unkn0wn2u:

run lircd -nodeamen

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unkn0wn2u:

nodaemon

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jimbalaya:

that runs, and sits there, and i switch to another screen and run 'irw'

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jimbalaya:

which says connection refused

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Saviq:

unkn0wn2u: I used mplayer with no problem

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jimbalaya:

i tried all /dev/lirc* instances

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unkn0wn2u:

what happend with lircd ?

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jimbalaya:

nothing

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unkn0wn2u:

do a pgrep lirc

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unkn0wn2u:

is it running?

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unkn0wn2u:

jimbalaya: then do a lsmod | grep lirc

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jimbalaya:

...re-installing from CVS

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jimbalaya:

actually, rebooting, then re-installing .... going to make sure it's fresh

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unkn0wn2u:

jimbalaya: ok check xorg.conf and make sure its not using your remote as a mouse also

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jimbalaya:

i am only using console

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jimbalaya:

the order of things isn't clear at all

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jimbalaya:

some sites say to take some steps, some don't

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jimbalaya:

is the lircd.conf required before testing?

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jimbalaya:

and then, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR150_Remote differentiates between two possible remotes as simply 'silver' or 'grey' ......... well, guess what guy – when i only have ONE remote in front of me it could be either silver OR grey

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unkn0wn2u:

jimbalaya: I didn't need a lircd.conf to use irw

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kormoc:

is it shiny?

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kormoc:

if so, it's silver, else it's grey

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unkn0wn2u:

if you try irw and lirc crashes its because of the /dev/lirc entry is wrong or non existant

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jimbalaya:

the only site that was accurate in describing it is the one that said 'the remote with the four colored buttons along the bottom'

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unkn0wn2u:

try mode2

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jimbalaya:

ok, mode2 has been completely unresponsive, even when using -d /dev/lirc*

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jimbalaya:

* being each one, individually tested

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unkn0wn2u:

mode2 doesn't need lirc

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unkn0wn2u:

oh mode2 -d /dev/lirc

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jimbalaya:

alright, rebuilding the CVS lirc

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unkn0wn2u:

that should work i think your module is not right

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jimbalaya:

nothing in dmesg, lsmod, or ps -e about lirc at this point

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k-man:

do you have to do something special so that mythtv can execute the halt command to shutdown?

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jimbalaya:

i'm pretty sure i saw that in the setup somewhere.......

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jimbalaya:

i forget if it was in mythtv-setup or just the regular setup within mythfrontend

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kormoc:

k-man, depends on your distro

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k-man:

kormoc, debian. currently the mythtv user does not have perms to shutdown

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kormoc:

k-man, then yes, you need to change things... try looking at the wiki

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thanks

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jimbalaya:

one thing that i've noticed quite a bit on the lirc.org website is that they keep saying 'rebuild your kernel' but i can't figure out why that would matter at all, if i'm going to use the EXACT config file that i have in my /boot dir which created the current kernel i'm using

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kormoc:

jimbalaya, it would ensure your /usr/src/linux directory is correct for includes and similar

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jimbalaya:

wtf, now i'm back to the 'no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted' message

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kormoc:

why's that matter?

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jimbalaya:

i have no idea – i've never gotten this to work

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kormoc:

it doesnt' matter, it just means that the kernel doesn't know for sure if it's GPL or not, and is warning you, tis all

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jimbalaya:

so, now, from (theoretically) having my module loaded properly, i want to run mode2? or should i do some lircd stuff? or should i edit a lircd.conf file?

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jimbalaya:

ps -e |grep lirc ... returns "14083 ? 00:00:00 lirc_dev"

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jimbalaya:

lsmod |grep lirc ... returns 4 lines, lirc_i2c, lirc_dev, i2c_core which spans two lines indicating which drivers are loaded (?)

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jimbalaya:

from which command?

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kormoc:

lsmod

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jimbalaya:

i didn't type that completely

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jimbalaya:

first line: lirc_i2c 9604 0

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jimbalaya:

second line: lirc_dev 14452 1 lirc_i2c

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jimbalaya:

third line: i2c_core 20096 10 cx88xx,bttv,lirc_i2c,wm8775,cx25840,tuner,ivtv,i2c_algo_bit,i2c_viapro,tveeprom

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jimbalaya:

that's the entire output

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jimbalaya:

of lsmod |grep lirc

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kormoc:

doesn't change the fact taht I don't see a driver :P

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jimbalaya:

i'm not sure what the driver line looks like ........ or where i get it from

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kormoc:

ooh, nm

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kormoc:

lirc_i2c supports it

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kormoc:

didn't know that it could

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** kormoc shrugs **

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