Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, April 5th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: Over the web? No — you just use windows media player.

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cheeseboy:

how

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cheeseboy:

?

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cheeseboy:

so mythtv to stream windows media player to view?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: You select the program to stream with the mythweb 'MythStreamTV' plugin.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: Ok, it depends... if you're talking about streaming over the internet, then you'd use MythStreamTV.

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: If you

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shawn_selig29:

hi

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: ...If you're talking about playing them on a windows box on the same network at home, then you can use WinMyth or just setup a share and play them directly with mediaplayer or VLC or...

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shawn_selig29:

i'm trying to setup a pc for mythtv

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shawn_selig29:

i heard its e=really cool... and i'm axnoius to use it... but

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shawn_selig29:

i don't got a ir blaster

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shawn_selig29:

my question is...

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shawn_selig29:

anyway i cna use a wifi card?

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xris:

shawn_selig29: completely different technology

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xris:

one is radio, the other is infrared

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overseer:

i've looked for instructions on running a mythfrontend over a pair of ssh-forwarded tcp ports (for forwarding mysql and mythprotocol) — no hits ---- any success stories out there?

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shawn_selig29:

ok

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shawn_selig29:

then is this a ir blaster:

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xris:

shawn_selig29: what kind of tv connection do you have?

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J-e-f-f-A:

overseer: No... But what are you trying to accomplish — tunneling over the net (you'd need a BIG pipe!), or just encrypting the communications?

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overseer:

just encrypting — over an open wifi link that's untrusted

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overseer:

and firewalled :)

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shawn_selig29:

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2276/picture0014rx.jpg

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shawn_selig29:

is that a ir blaster?

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shawn_selig29:

i got it from a friend... and when i plugged it into usb, this came up in deivce manager:

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shawn_selig29:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6905/untitled230ay.png

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shawn_selig29:

any ideas if its a ir blaster?

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xris:

overseer: http://pastebin.ca/424786

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xris:

shawn_selig29: irblaster.info

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shawn_selig29:

can it be used as a ir revier?

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xris:

shawn_selig29: blaster is the opposite of receiver

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shawn_selig29:

oh..sorry

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xris:

it's used to change channels on a cable/satellite box

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shawn_selig29:

i meant reciver

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J-e-f-f-A:

overseer: Humm... Well, I haven't done a mythfrontend link that way, but you could do it by setting up the tunnels to have the same ports, then setting the master backend address to 127.0.0.1 — but it you have multiple frontends, they'd all have to be setup with ssh...

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shawn_selig29:

i need the computer to be able to recive the singals

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xris:

shawn_selig29: first off, you'll need to be running Linux to use Mythtv, not Windows.

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shawn_selig29:

does that look like a ir reciver for the comp?

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shawn_selig29:

i will switch it to linux

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shawn_selig29:

i'm trying to get all the hardware first

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xris:

the jpg? looks like a remote

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shawn_selig29:

its a inte p4 3.8ghz, 1gb ram.... 120gb drive 7200rpm

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shawn_selig29:

heres another pic of it:

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xris:

and even if it's the right hardware, unless you have a part number, etc., there's no way to know if it'd work in linux

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shawn_selig29:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9011/picture0028sm.jpg

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shawn_selig29:

all it has on it is a small round sticker with "M1" on it

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xris:

shawn_selig29: it could be a receiver. could also be an irda adapter (infrared serial port)..

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overseer:

J-e-f-f-A: i noticed that i'd have to change the master backend address — and noticed that v0.21 added a config for the mysql_port parameter

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shawn_selig29:

people thing it was used for aprojector....

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xris:

shawn_selig29: you'd have to get at the usb device description

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xris:

easy to get at in linux. no idea how to do it in windows

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overseer:

xris: your http://pastebin.ca/424786 — is just the autossh part of the equation — having multiple frontends and/or tricking an individual frontend to connect to 127.0.0.1 seems necessary

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shawn_selig29:

if i took a digital camera.... to it and saw ir.... it would be a irc reciver?

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shawn_selig29:

the one pic above was fromd evice manger

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xris:

shawn_selig29: the only way to know for sure is to get a part number off of the device

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shawn_selig29:

all it says it M1

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shawn_selig29:

how ccan i get aprt #

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xris:

shawn_selig29: from the usb device description (like I said, I don't know how to do that in Windows, but it's easy in Linux)

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xris:

overseer: you'd just need to configure the db so that the master backend is at 127.0.0.1

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xris:

but honestly, you'd be better off only encrypting the db traffic.. otherwise, you'll have to forward both mythtv ports, etc.

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overseer:

i was planning on forwarding both

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xris:

overseer: that's 3 ports minimum, then

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xris:

and possibly confusing the heck out of the master backend if it thinks the frontend is connecting locally

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overseer:

fine — firewall ruleset doesn't allow the wifi to connect to the lan which hosts the backend

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overseer:

this shouldn't be that confusing for any of the peices involved

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overseer:

by design the backend shouldn't assume 127.0.0.1 connections are special in any way

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xris:

overseer: except that it stores settings by hostname

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shawn_selig29:

i'll have to take a digital camera too it

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shawn_selig29:

and see if it has ir..

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shawn_selig29:

thxs

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shawn_selig29:

bbl

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shawn_selig29:

got brain voerload

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xris:

shawn_selig29: that still won't tell you what you need to kow

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overseer:

hostname is determined by the client/frontent that connects — and passes its hostname in as a connection parameter — doesn't it?

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shawn_selig29:

if it setup in widnwos won't windows media center work with it?

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xris:

camera would see transmitted info.. receiver doesn't transmit anything

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shawn_selig29:

oh

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overseer:

or are you saying that the backend decides using /etc/host.conf stuff (dns,host,nis) to determine hostnames?

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shawn_selig29:

so then that would be no way to tell if its a reciver

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xris:

shawn_selig29: just because something works in windows doesn't mean it'll work in linux

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xris:

shawn_selig29: I've already answered that question twice.

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shawn_selig29:

ok

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shawn_selig29:

srry

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xris:

overseer: I have no idea about that. if it's smart, the frontend would do its own querying of such things.

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shawn_selig29:

i'm tried

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shawn_selig29:

forgive me

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shawn_selig29:

i'll bbl

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shawn_selig29:

i'll do google in mean time

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** xris grumbles... **

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gardengnome:

heh

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overseer:

xris: ya – i think it's not gethostbyaddr(3) based and rather gethostname(2) based

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xris:

overseer: either way, I'm not understanding what your problem is... if you have the ssh tunnel, things should just work

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overseer:

i wondered if folks have had problems after setting the master backend address to 127.0.0.1

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xris:

never tried it with more than one host.

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xris:

works fine with a single host.

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overseer:

pretty much that's my only wonder — i can setup the port fwds no problem — maybe also looking for solutions that have been tried for more than a single frontend

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J-e-f-f-A-:

overseer: Sorry — didn't see any of your replies... for some reason or another I had to re-boot my verizon router... :-(

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xris:

overseer: you're probably just going to have to try it

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overseer:

J-e-f-f-A-: yay verizon — maybe visit the logbot? — xris and I discussed it a bit

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xris:

overseer: mythtv isn't intended to be "secure" in that sense. if you want real security and don't want to freak out the way mythtv was meant to run, a vpn is probably the safest bet

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J-e-f-f-A-:

overseer: Yeah, that's what I was just headed for...

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overseer:

"meant to run" — that sounds like a nice way of admitting there have been some (currently) unfortunate decisions made in the backend and protocol — i think mythtv should be able to run over an ssh-port-forward, out of the box, but my needs differ from some.

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overseer:

'yum install mythstream' might be my answer :)

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cheeseboy:

can winmyth stream a videofile?

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overseer:

cheeseboy: mythstream plugin go find and read

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tank-man:

cheeseboy, on a windows machine, try MythTvPlayer0.2.1.zip

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DarthFrog:

I've just updated my FC6 MythTV system, with a PVR-350 card. Everything works except output of video to the S-Video. I can no longer pass "output-select=1" to the saa7127 module. So does anyone know how to specify the S-Video output on a PVR-350?

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DarthFrog:

It was working with the 2.6.18 kernel, not working with the 2.6.20 kernel. And, yes, I've installed the video4linux package to get the saa7127 module.

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cheeseboy:

so can winmyth stream a video file?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: winmyth is only a limited MythTV player — you need a MythTV backend system to stream the video from... There is not a windows port of MythTV...

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cheeseboy:

so video has to be streamed from linux?

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xris:

cheeseboy: from mythbackend, yes.

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cheeseboy:

can i run that in emulator?

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cheeseboy:

like vmware or somtin?

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xris:

cheeseboy: if you want to use windows, why not just run a windows-based pvr like Sage?

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cheeseboy:

cause i nvr heard of it :-P

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cheeseboy:

is it free?

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xris:

don't think so

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xris:

gbpvr is

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xris:

linux is designed to be a standalone system.. no need to run windows.

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xris:

s/linux/mythtv/

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J-e-f-f-A:

Nope — it $79.95... <sarcasm>Ooh! xris — there's a Linux version available now! </sarcasm>

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cheeseboy:

can it stream a videofile?

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cheeseboy:

not just tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: Probably, but we're MythTV people here, not Sage people... check out www.sagetv.com

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xris:

cheeseboy: what are you trying to do? mythtv is a pvr.. record tv, watch tv.. it happens to "stream" between backend and frontend apps, but that isn't its primary function, and it'll only do so to itself.

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xris:

if you want to stream miscellaneous audio/video, you want something like vlc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Did you ever have your myth box setup to automatically transcode and download to your iPod Video? I know you did some transcoding, but did you have it setup to download too?

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: nope. I just archive to mp4 on a server and copy stuff by hand to my ipod if I might want to watch it there (rarely)

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xris:

and "by hand" I mean "gtkpod"

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DarthFrog:

cheeseboy: Yes, MythTV can play back a video file (such as a DIVX or xvid) from your home computer to anyother computer on the internet (or your LAN or your TV) running MythFrontend, if appropriately set up

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tkcvcv:

I need to buy a USB PVR taht works under linux. Suggestions?

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cheeseboy:

im a linux user was just asking for my freind

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Thanks. I'm thinking of creating a pluging similar to 'MythBurn' that I can select the program(s), click a button, and have them transcode and download automatically... Unless somebody beats me to it, or there's another solution already out there...

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: Captain_Murdoch and I have been thinking of how to get mythtranscode to spit out other formats... theoretically could just request the "auto transcode" spit out ipod-compatible, too

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overseer:

i would like a "discard video" transcode for audio-only stations like XM on DirecTV

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xris:

tkcvcv: helps if you say what kind of signal you want to plug into it

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Yeah, that's a thought. ;-)

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tkcvcv:

xris: it's from one of these: http://www.picturephone.com/products/sony_evi_d70.htm

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tkcvcv:

NTSC and PAL I guess

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xris:

tkcvcv: I'm going to assume that's rf/composite/svideo (since I assume it's an analog camera)....

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tkcvcv:

sure

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tkcvcv:

the camera works with a happuage

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tkcvcv:

PCTV card

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xris:

I think some of the hauppauge usb devices work.. linuxtv should have a list

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tkcvcv:

but we want to use a laptop, not a full tower machine now

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xris:

could have saved a bundle of money by just getting a usb webcam instead of a $1000 cam

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tkcvcv:

we need pan, tilt, and zoom

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xris:

ah

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tkcvcv:

it's also a research lab, and the camer was here before I arrived :-/

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xris:

ah.

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tkcvcv:

so any off the shelf haupuage usb device should work?

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tkcvcv:

is there any I should avoid?

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jd86:

I am using svn trunk, I updated a few days ago, and I've been having problems where multiple jobs are starting on backend when I have configured mythtv-setup to only start one at a time. Does anyone else have this problem?

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Tanthrix:

I can't seem to get the mythtv configure script to enable firewire support despite having the 3 deps required installed – can anyone point me in the right direction to figuring out why this is?

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Tanthrix:

Isn't there some file that the script makes that tells me more specifically what it's not finding properly?

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isntitknoying:

I just finished a fresh install of mythtv on ubuntu edgy, and when I go to Watch TV all I see is static. It worked for about 5 minutes until I tried to change the channel, now all I get on channel change is static. Any ideas?

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J-e-f-f-A:

isntitknoying: Make sure you've got your frequency table set right.... For cable, it should be US-CABLE, for broadcast US-BCAST (Assuming you're in the US...)

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isntitknoying:

my god i think i'm a moron. i seem to remember not changing that from broadcast to cable.

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isntitknoying:

thanks J-e-f-f-A, i'll check that out

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J-e-f-f-A:

isntitknoying: np. PS: You can probably tune channels 2–12 just fine... ;-)

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shawn_selig29:

hi

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Tanthrix:

Freaking pkg-config – everything I install goes to /usr/local/lib/pkg-config instead of /usr/lib/pkg-config, so that was causing myth to not properly detect it.

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Tanthrix:

I blame Mandrake.

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Chicago:

Is there a way for ivtv-radio to pull in callsign information or other meta-data about the FM broadcasts on a particular frequency (if the data is available).

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overseer:

Chicago: RDS digital oob data?

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Chicago:

overseer: Is RDS what the car radios use to callsigns and such?

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Saviq:

yes it is

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overseer:

i believe so — v4l is just getting started on a software decoder

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overseer:

v0.01 or something ;)

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Chicago:

Okay... I was just wondering. I'm very happy ivtv-radio works. I'm even going to move my desk so the FM antenna I use is closer to the window for better reception. I wonder if the car radios are also digitizing them at 48khz

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overseer:

is there a way to override the default mysql tcp connection port in v0.20 (environment var maybe?) — i'm not ready to update my setup to 0.21 just to get this feature... suggestions?

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Saviq:

what's the difference? you'll never get this quality from FM

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overseer:

FM is limited and compressed

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Chicago:

overseer: so this v0.01 project is basically a softmodem for FM frequencies? but it only does the demodulation?

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overseer:

i believe that would be a correct statement, though I haven't played with the code, only viewed the download/project pages

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scant:

can anyone help me, i can't get the receiver on my pvr-150 non-mce with IR blaster and receiver to work... i've searched the wikis and forums, but even when i cat the device i get nothing

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Chicago:

scant: did you test your IR blaster with LIRCD?

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overseer:

Chicago: it's a good time to jump on a new project if you like that stuff — i want my carputer to have a softmodem that decodes the OTA traffic notices.

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Chicago:

overseer: It would also be nice to catch the X10 video broadcasts from the carputer

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overseer:

Chicago: i don't see how that fits in with the RDS/v4l/FM service, but, that sounds good too. public or private X10 video broadcasts?

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Chicago:

overseer: I'd be very interested in an FM softmodem... as a carrier for VoIP... when driving around with your friends in different cars.

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scant:

Chicago: i did mode2 -d /dev/lirc0

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scant:

Chicago: i also used irw to test

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overseer:

Chicago: why not use cheap FRS FM tranceivers designed for voice :)

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Chicago:

overseer: I'm just figuring... if you can demodulate the RDS signal... on an FM carrier, then you should be able to use a narrowband to modulate TCP over FM.

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gaspipe1:

hey all

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overseer:

Chicago: i'm not going to touch that one at all. go down that path and learn lots and lots about RF theory and reinventing 802.11abg

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Chicago:

ah

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overseer:

Chicago: lets just say it's easy to make a crystal wideband AM receiver — and it has little bearing on how easy it is to use the same components to make an AM transmitter.

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scant:

Chicago: did you see my response?

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Chicago:

scant: What level of logging do have have enabled for lircd?

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scant:

Chicago: i don't know, i'm a linux newb, i did: modprobe lirc_i2c, lircd, and irw

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scant:

the wikipage said i should be getting some output, but i'm not

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Chicago:

don't know about that one

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Chicago:

scant: did you compile lircd for the IR blaster?

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scant:

does anyone here use a pvr-150 with irblaster, receiver with the dogbone silver remote?

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scant:

Chicago: i am using the latest version of knoppmyth...

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scant:

i haven't upgraded or recompiled any drivers, except the nividia driver, because my 6200LE didn't work

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Chicago:

scant: Is your IR blaster made by Creative Labs or by the guy at irblaster.info?

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Tanthrix:

Anyone currently around have experience with getting firewire working with Myth from a motorolla DVR?

[02:01:23]

scant:

Chicago: neither, it came with my Hauppauge PVR 150 NON-MCE

[02:01:46]

Chicago:

Tanthrix: Not exactly, but I have tooled with making a kernel to access the firewire DV and audio. Does your kernel have firewire support?

[02:02:03]

Chicago:

scant: So your lirc device is the hauppauge card?

[02:02:35]

scant:

KnoppMyth is supposed to support the PVR 150 NON-MCE with at least the IR receiver out the box... it even has a config script for it. the modprobe says that it detects the IR receiver

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Tanthrix:

Chicago: I've basically been following the mythtv firewire guide here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#Dependencies

[02:03:06]

scant:

Chicago: yes, my lirc device is my hauppauge 150

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runlevel:

can some explain to me how i could setup mythtv to change the chanells on my CableBox ?

[02:04:31]

Tanthrix:

Chicago: Plugreport seems to be showing me everything correctly, but after that it all falls apart.

[02:05:05]

Tanthrix:

Chicago: A second ago I was getting this from the mpeg2 test script: libiec61883 warning: Overlayed connection on channel 0.

[02:05:06]

Tanthrix:

You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.

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runlevel:

i know i need a IR setup but im kinda confused on the Tx and Rx workings

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Chicago:

Tanthrix: So did you try that test-mpeg2 step?

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Chicago:

scant: Do you have a lircrc file in the ~/.mythtv directory?

[02:08:09]

Tanthrix:

Chicago: That's what I'm referring to by "mpeg2 test script" – that was the output I got a long with a 0 byte sized output file.

[02:09:37]

Chicago:

Tanthrix: Can you post your plug report.

[02:10:04]

Tanthrix:

Chicago: Sure, one sec.

[02:11:20]

Tanthrix:

http://novae-res.org/firewire.txt

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Chicago:

scant: Do a 'cat /var/log/messages|grep lirc'

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Tanthrix:

One thing I just noticed is that my lsmod is not the same as what is called for in the guide.

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Tanthrix:

raw1394 is 0 for me, but supposed to be 2 in the guide – could that be a problem?

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Chicago:

sure it could

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J-e-f-f-A:

runlevel: Unless your cable box has a serial port or firewire, you'll need an IR blaster

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runlevel:

it does have firewire/usb/IR ports

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Chicago:

Tanthrix: I'm just reading along with the guide too... I'm not using a STB w/ Firewire.

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runlevel:

Scientific Atalanta 8240HD

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Tanthrix:

Chicago: Any idea on how to fix it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

runlevel: There's a firewire driver for the motorola boxes, but not sure about the SA...

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t0ny-p40:

With firewire can mythtv capture video from a dv camera?

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Chicago:

Tanthrix: What do you have about raw1394 in your /etc/modules

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Tanthrix:

Chicago: The 4 1394 modules that are supposed to be there, but when I reboot none of them load for some reason.

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Tanthrix:

Chicago: I've been just doing "modprobe raw1394" etc. for each one.

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Chicago:

Tanthrix: Well, maybe the 2 is an option you pass to raw1394. I don't know.

[02:17:22]

Tanthrix:

Chicago: Hrm. Well, thanks for trying. It's appreciated.

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: give me a hour

[02:53:17]

SlicerDicer-:

if your still around

[02:53:22]

Tanthrix:

Righto.

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Tanthrix:

I've been working on this for nearly 4 hours now so I can use a break...

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Tanthrix:

(Though, I just got some video to come through via the mpeg2 test script!)

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

its normal for that to happen

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Tanthrix:

Then it promptly stopped working a few min later..hehe

[02:54:42]

SlicerDicer-:

thats normal

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Tanthrix:

Well, that's good to know at least.

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SlicerDicer-:

look in the contrib directory for mythtv

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SlicerDicer-:

and locate firewire_tester.c and the readme

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SlicerDicer-:

build it and run the tester

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Tanthrix:

I compiled that and ran it.

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SlicerDicer-:

get the connection stable with bcast

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SlicerDicer-:

if bcast is horked

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Tanthrix:

Done.

[02:55:26]

SlicerDicer-:

your version of libiec is fubar

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Tanthrix:

P2P was crap though

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SlicerDicer-:

what version of libiec?

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Tanthrix:

1.1.0

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SlicerDicer-:

should be fine

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Tanthrix:

Compiled it earlier, so it's the latest as far as I know

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SlicerDicer-:

1.0.0 has problems :)

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SlicerDicer-:

./firewire_tester -B -n #

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SlicerDicer-:

the node should be -n 1 or -n 0 depending on the node the box is on

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Tanthrix:

I'm on node 0.

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SlicerDicer-:

so do ./firewire_tester -B -n 0

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Tanthrix:

I'm stable.

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: I would advise running SVN with firewire btw

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SlicerDicer-:

it has GUID neat stuff

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Tanthrix:

Oh really?

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SlicerDicer-:

I will be back in a hour lost is on now

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SlicerDicer-:

:)

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SlicerDicer-:

I will explain when I get back

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Tanthrix:

Hehe, k. See you then.

[02:58:18]

Tanthrix:

And thanks again.

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SlicerDicer-:

but for now you can play with setting up the tuner as bcast is working myth should have no issues :)

[03:04:09]

Tanthrix:

I tried that as well but got "FireChan, Error: Model 'Other' is not supported by internal channel changer" and "Problem with capture cards: Card 3failed init"

[03:07:34]

Tanthrix:

Ok, pretending to be the DCT6200 works now!

[03:07:51]

Tanthrix:

Though channel changing via the firewire makes it die. But hey, progress is progress.

[03:20:10]

jerry:

hello, just getting mythtv setup, have setup questio, master ip address?

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jerry:

Current Schema Version: 1160

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jerry:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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jerry:

Please run setup on this machine and modify the first page

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jerry:

of the general settings

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Tanthrix:

jerry: Do you have a backend and frontend on separate machines, or are they both running on one?

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jerry:

same one

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Tanthrix:

When you run mythtv-setup then make sure your address is set to "localhost" for the backend setup under general.

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Tanthrix:

Make the master server IP address the same.

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jerry:

looking at mysql.txt too

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jerry:

is not configured

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jerry:

while reading the required newbie page at gossamerthreads

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jerry:

hrm

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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MythLogBot:

mike3_ is here and has been idle for 10 hours 58 minutes 43 seconds

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jerry:

perhaps iptables blocking things

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jerry:

hm, nope, netstat shows no serveron 6453

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jerry:

ooh, i think we got it!!

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jerry:

mythbackend -d helped a lot =)

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jerry:

its all working except no channels are listed

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waldo:

why would mythtranscode --mpeg2 [mumblemumble] segfault?

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jerry:

it says i should shut down the backend or no channels will be there

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jerry:

am i done with the backend after mythfilldatabse?

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Captain_Murdoch:

waldo, because you recently upgraded to Qt v3.3.8

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waldo:

i did?

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Captain_Murdoch:

possibly. that's the main reason for mythtranscode/mythcommflag segfaults lately.

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waldo:

n..oo.... i don't think so.

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waldo:

dlg@pedro:~$ dpkg -l|grep -i qt

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waldo:

ii libqt3-mt 3.3.6–3ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), V

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waldo:

so say it is Qt, what would I do to resolve it?

[04:00:04]

waldo:

i may as well try it first

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, not sure then. would need a backtrace unless it's one of the reasons there is already a ticket for.

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Captain_Murdoch:

qt 3.3.6 should be ok

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: did ya get it figured out?

[04:00:31]

Captain_Murdoch:

3.3.8 has a bug regarding mysql db connections that causes segfaults

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waldo:

i'm a BSD user, not a linux user, unfortunately.

[04:00:38]

waldo:

how would i get a backtrace?

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: I took a break and am just starting back. First things first: I need to get the channels setup.

[04:02:08]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: For my test I just assigned the firewire source to my main cable video souce.

[04:02:40]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: But that stops at 70 of course, so I added the digital line up to my zap2it account, made a separate video source, and then assigned that to the firewire.

[04:02:48]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: But it says the channels are empty – what gives?

[04:02:53]

waldo:

but ... not using binary packages makes ubuntu sad.

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hads:

Source is good!

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waldo:

95% of the time, i totally agree

[04:03:56]

waldo:

but i got lazy on my tv box, and just installed ubuntu

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hads:

I run Ubuntu, everything is installed via dpkg except mythtv

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waldo:

the strange thing is

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waldo:

the other was not

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hads:

Silly TV doesn't do DPMS

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hads:

That's one thing I didn't think to look at when buying.

[04:11:06]

jerry:

do i need datadirect

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waldo:

Captain_Murdoch: is there some reason mythtranscode would fail on one recorded file, but succeed on another?

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SlicerDicer-:

not sure Tanthrix

[04:13:23]

SlicerDicer-:

maybe run ummm

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SlicerDicer-:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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SlicerDicer-:

I have two seperate lineups though Tanthrix

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SlicerDicer-:

lineup for my hauppauge and lineup for firewire

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SlicerDicer-:

they are independent

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: So do I – one for my happuage called "Main" and one for my firewire called "Digital Cable"

[04:14:35]

SlicerDicer-:

prevents the hauppague from trying to record HD

[04:14:53]

SlicerDicer-:

so run --refresh-all

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: So I went into my zap2it account and added the second line up for comcast digital.

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jerry:

tried that, Updating source #1 () with grabber eitonly

[04:15:00]

jerry:

2007-04–04 21:13:03.832 Source configured to use only the broadcasted guide data. Skipping.

[04:15:47]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Running as we speak. Am I correct that myth is supposed to get the channel listing from Zap2it?

[04:15:49]

SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: if everything has gone ballistic you may need to delete your lineups and redo them

[04:15:53]

SlicerDicer-:

I had to do that yesterday

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SlicerDicer-:

that sucked bad cause there is about 200 channels I delete from the lineup

[04:16:10]

SlicerDicer-:

and then tweeking the HD to record on special channels etc

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** SlicerDicer- marks it lame **

[04:16:20]

SlicerDicer-:

but I had to do it

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Tanthrix:

That sucks.

[04:16:31]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah --refresh may do it

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont know

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Tanthrix:

It's been so long that I can't remember how I added my channels originally, but I don't recall anything laborious.

[04:16:47]

SlicerDicer-:

if the channels show up when you login zap2it then it should be fine

[04:16:53]

Tanthrix:

I thought it was supposed to just get it automagically from zap2it

[04:16:56]

SlicerDicer-:

my channels were not showing up when I logged in and looked at my lineup

[04:17:05]

jerry:

aha! I need rpm xmltv-grabbers??

[04:17:10]

SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: yep it does but sometimes you have to "force it" ;-)

[04:17:48]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Of course. I swear, if I was millionaire I'd pay a team of developers to revamp Myth and take care of all these little things.

[04:18:07]

waldo:

i hear the lottery pays well :]

[04:18:11]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: It's such an awesome program suite but it's still a bit rough around the edges.

[04:18:12]

Tanthrix:

hehe

[04:18:34]

jerry:

like me

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jerry:

=)

[04:18:48]

waldo:

anybody care to speculate on why mythtranscode would fail for one recorded file but not another?

[04:19:28]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: While myth is updating, what were you saying about the SVN having newer features I might like?

[04:22:50]

jerry:

sunspots?

[04:23:02]

waldo:

jerry: plausible.

[04:23:09]

jerry:

=)

[04:23:15]

waldo:

at least as plausible as anything i can think of, anyway

[04:23:47]

jerry:

my first hour with myth, I don't know much yet =)

[04:24:03]

jerry:

still trying to get guide data

[04:24:19]

Tanthrix:

I wonder how many hours I've spent over the past year and a half working on myth stuff.

[04:24:27]

waldo:

speaking of random shit that should not be such a pain in the ass to set up, guide data.

[04:24:49]

Tanthrix:

A lot, that's for sure, but it satisfies my geeky desires ;-)

[04:24:52]

jerry:

ok so now i have urpmi'ed xml grabbers, what now

[04:25:25]

jerry:

help me speed this up a bit =)

[04:26:41]

Tanthrix:

But that would deprive you of the fun of spending countless hours googling for FAQs and howtos!

[04:26:51]

jerry:

ya, sorry

[04:26:59]

waldo:

it's true. also, i can't remember what i did :]

[04:27:00]

jerry:

going to zap now =)

[04:27:13]

jerry:

guess i jumped the gun on xmlgrabbers

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waldo:

okay, this is just weird

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waldo:

when i run 'strace mythtranscode [mumblemumble]' it doesn't segfault

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Tanthrix:

jerry: Zap2it is the way to go from what I can tell. XML grabbers are just used when you can't use zap2it for whatever reason, I think.

[04:30:25]

Tanthrix:

Been a while since I've done any of this stuff so I'm afraid I'm not much help.

[04:31:40]

jerry:

adding a "lineup" at zap

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Doing the refresh didn't fix the problem unfortunately. Any other ideas?

[04:32:40]

jerry:

ok now it says select tv signal source.... i thought the net was gonna be my source??

[04:33:09]

jerry:

what should I select??

[04:33:19]

Tanthrix:

Give us a little more info.

[04:33:34]

jerry:

configuring a zap account

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jerry:

can i skip this or something

[04:33:58]

Tanthrix:

Setting the account up on the website you mean?

[04:34:00]

Tanthrix:

Or in myth.

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jerry:

web

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: I think I might have a bug here on my hands – when I click "fetch lineup" in the video source screen the command line says "Usage: wget [option] etc..." like the wget command is not being passed properly.

[04:35:04]

Tanthrix:

jerry: Isn't it just asking if you have over the air, cable, etc..?

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jerry:

ya, ill select air

[04:35:52]

jerry:

i have no tv service

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Tanthrix:

You mean that you have no cable service?

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jerry:

if i select cable, will I get cable channels? I selected local broadcast and get a list of regular channels

[04:37:40]

jerry:

no cable service

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jerry:

just moved in

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Tanthrix:

jerry: You obviously cannot get cable channels unless you have cable service, period.

[04:38:25]

waldo:

mythtv only seems like magic. it is not actually magic.

[04:38:51]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: I'm trying mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates now to see if that does the trick.

[04:39:38]

Tanthrix:

jerry: You do have an antenna hooked up to your PVR card, right?

[04:39:42]

jerry:

well, do i get the tv signal from internet or no?

[04:39:42]

jerry:

if no, i am wasting 100 megs and 3 hours time

[04:40:22]

jerry:

nowhere did it say you need a pvr card

[04:40:23]

jerry:

it said it was faster with a card

[04:41:55]

jerry:

i mean, whats the market for myth if you already have a tv and cable??

[04:41:59]

Tanthrix:

jerry: MythTV is not some kind of magical free TV service. It is simply a suite of programs that allows you to record and watch the TV that you have. You need a TV card of some kind (whether it be a PVR card or an old style "dumb" card or a firewire cablebox link)

[04:42:06]

jerry:

you cant afford two tv's?

[04:42:16]

waldo:

i have no desire to watch star trek at 0500

[04:42:21]

waldo:

i /do/ want to watch it though.

[04:42:26]

jerry:

hm

[04:42:29]

waldo:

so i record it, and watch it after work.

[04:42:59]

Tanthrix:

jerry: I'm not sure how you could have ever gotten the idea that Myth would work without a TV card.

[04:43:33]

jerry:

well i wish urpmi would uninstall all the dependencies as well as the main programs i've installed, but i guess ill have to do it manually

[04:44:12]

jerry:

it seemed optional

[04:44:20]

waldo:

well, it is, technically

[04:45:03]

jerry:

so i get a cardbus tv card and a coathanger?

[04:45:05]

Tanthrix:

From the hardware howto: "In order to capture video, MythTV will need one or more video capture devices with Linux drivers. There are a number of classes of hardware available for capturing video."

[04:45:25]

Tanthrix:

Then it goes on to list all of your options.

[04:46:11]

Tanthrix:

jerry: So, basically, if you can't get cable then yes, the coat hanger is your only option ;-)

[04:46:35]

jerry:

500 megs ive installed

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jerry:

my neighbor will still be able to use this tho, the guy with wintv card

[04:47:16]

Tanthrix:

Well, I'm sorry that you misunderstood what myth was all about.

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jerry:

he wanted to cancel cable, they called him on a sunday and said he was behind on pay and he wasn't =)

[04:47:56]

jerry:

he was pissed

[04:48:11]

jerry:

he says he's gonna get a sat dish

[04:48:47]

jerry:

i am using his wireless net, can i watch tv here if i use his backend??

[04:48:59]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Huzzah! It worked. So for future reference, when adding a new source run mythfilldatabase --add-new-channels.

[04:49:51]

jerry:

i guess i still need a pvr

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: ;-)

[04:51:42]

jerry:

=(

[04:52:00]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: My system isn't fast enough to do 1080i stuff with myth's player. Works fine in mplayer though. Looks like I'll need to get XvMC working after all.

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: yeah you should be able to do 1080i with a rather meager system

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: I do it with a Althon Thunderbird 1.4ghz

[04:54:26]

SlicerDicer-:

and a MX440 :)

[05:00:34]

Tanthrix:

Something else might be going on then.

[05:00:48]

Tanthrix:

I'm going to eat then look into it, so I'll be back in a few.

[05:10:29]

Tanthrix:

I tried changing to 710 and it died – I cannot believe one of the only encrypted channels is PBS!

[05:10:45]

Tanthrix:

I thought by law the OTA channels had to be unencrypted.

[05:15:12]

Dagmar:

hahah

[05:20:21]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Mplayer plays the recorded clip just fine but it stutters quite a bit in Myth. Any idea why?

[05:20:36]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: And I got rid of my deinterlacing / filters / etc... for this comparison.

[05:22:02]

SlicerDicer-:

I just enabled XvMC and most gets offloaded to gpu

[05:22:32]

Dagmar:

Tanthrix: You should probably compare how they're being invoked then.

[05:22:45]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: How so?

[05:26:28]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Despite compiling with XvMC it's not working for some reason. I'll figure out why, though I would first like to find out why myth is being so inefficient at decoding MPEG at 1080u

[05:38:21]

Dagmar:

It's inefficient?

[05:38:26]

Dagmar:

...because of the resolution?

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Tanthrix:

Well, I'm just confused as to why mplayer can play the same clip perfectly while in myth it stutters to all hell.

[05:39:21]

Tanthrix:

Either mplayer is that much better (I doubt it) or something is funky with my myth settings.

[05:39:47]

Witch_Doc:

does mythtv support fta channels via a dvb card?

[05:40:15]

Witch_Doc:

also will it allow me to watch dishnet if i have a dvb card?

[05:40:37]

Witch_Doc:

or would i ihave to use a capture card and a ir transmitter with my dishnet ird

[05:40:39]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Any clue what would cause that?

[05:40:56]

Dagmar:

That they're different programs.

[05:41:11]

Dagmar:

Although bad user configuration springs to mind as a cause

[05:41:54]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I somehow doubt that they're different enough that myth is horribly inefficient compared to mplayer doing the same clip, so I'm more inclined to think something is wrong on my part.

[05:42:18]

Tanthrix:

Dagmar: Though I'm not sure what – I've reverted myth to all the standard stuff (Ie, no filters, no deinterlacing, etc..)

[05:42:30]

Dagmar:

That just leaves user misconfiguration then.

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Tanthrix:

http://novae-res.org/mythtv.txt

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Tanthrix:

That's my output with --verbose all – if you have a minute would you mind seeing if you notice anything funky?

[05:48:49]

Tanthrix:

Lots of soundcard stuff, I'm wondering if maybe this issue is being caused by audio problems.

[05:49:34]

Tanthrix:

Seems like it has to be, because from what I can tell XvMC is working, yet I'm still having these crazy CPU spikes.

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Tanthrix:

Dagmar: I don't suppose there is a way to disable audio entirely for testing, is there?

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Dagmar:

Probably in the documentation somewhere

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NJigelli:

is there anything for mythtv like tvnight for meedio?

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Bjwebb:

hello, I get the impression form the Qt channel that there might be some conflict with Qt, is that correct?

[06:24:22]

kormoc:

conflict?

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Bjwebb:

oh

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Bjwebb:

nevermind

[06:25:01]

** kormoc blinks **

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Bjwebb:

ive not got mythtv yet, but when i do im sure i could just set up two partitions

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** kormoc blinks again **

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kormoc:

that seems overly complicated...

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hads:

conflict?

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Bjwebb:

sorry i think i misunderstood you

[06:26:01]

Bjwebb:

can the two happily be installed on the same partition

[06:26:08]

kormoc:

sure, why not?

[06:26:12]

hads:

QT and mythtv?

[06:26:16]

Bjwebb:

from the Qt mailing list " you have MythTV problems, go to #mythtv-users or #mythtv"

[06:26:17]

kormoc:

myth requires QT to be installed, as myth is a QT app

[06:26:23]

Bjwebb:

ah

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Bjwebb:

they must just be getting questions that should be asked here instead

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hads:

They were telling you not to ask about mythtv on the QT list

[06:26:42]

Bjwebb:

right

[06:26:45]

Bjwebb:

okay

[06:26:57]

Bjwebb:

now I've cleared that up

[06:27:05]

Tanthrix:

Alright, XvMC must not be working because my CPU usage is about 10–20 percent higher when using XvMC, despite any errors suggesting that XvMC is indeed not working.

[06:27:18]

NJigelli:

seems to me that mythtv is a pos compared to commercial products :S

[06:27:26]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, XVMC doesn't always help. it seems very much dependant on the hardware

[06:27:39]

kormoc:

NJigelli, then feel free to not use it and leave the channel

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hads:

NJigelli: Works for me. Maybe it's your skills implementing it.

[06:27:48]

Bjwebb:

does anyone know whether I can get listings in the UK

[06:28:01]

kormoc:

Bjwebb, sure can. lots of UKers use it

[06:28:19]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Is it really that cranky that it might make things worse? I'm more inclined to believe that it is just finicky to get working and may appear to be working even when it is not.

[06:28:23]

hads:

Bjwebb: xmltv will probably be your freind

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NJigelli:

naw think ill stay :)

[06:28:41]

Bjwebb:

yeah, i saw that in the readme, i just want to check i can get it

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, it can be. Typically with Via or Sis chipsets

[06:28:50]

Bjwebb:

not actually got mythtv installed yet

[06:29:26]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: Is there anything that Via chipsets don't fuck up? (I'm using a Via KT600 if I recall correctly)

[06:29:57]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, heh, sadly at times it really seems like not...

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Bjwebb:

where can i get qt 3 from?

[06:30:46]

hads:

trolltech

[06:30:50]

hads:

or your distro

[06:31:13]

Dagmar:

They get about every fourth chipset right

[06:31:23]

Bjwebb:

just having a bit of difficulty finding it

[06:31:26]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: How does mplayer's efficiency compare to myth's in your experience? Right now myth is unable to play my 1080i MPEG2 content whereas mplayer does it just fine.

[06:31:31]

Bjwebb:

ill try ubuntu package site

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hads:

Bjwebb: No need to go to the site, you can install it with aptitude

[06:31:58]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: And by unable I mean unable to play it smoothly without maxing out CPU and such.

[06:32:04]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, they both use libavcodec, so they should be about the same, but myth does have more overhead (memory requirements, OSD, etc)

[06:32:20]

Dibblah:

Myth is about 20% slower.

[06:32:26]

Dibblah:

I have no idea why.

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Bjwebb:

trying to install it on an offline pc :(

[06:32:48]

Dibblah:

Tried profiling it – No obvious hotspots.

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kormoc:

Bjwebb, you'll want the PC online anyway, so it can update it's listings daily

[06:33:16]

hads:

And install the other dependancies

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Dibblah:

Tanthrix: You could try the other mpeg decoder options.

[06:34:06]

Bjwebb:

yeah

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Bjwebb:

i think i might wait till i can give it an internet connection

[06:34:32]

hads:

Probably best

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: I did to no avail.

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Dibblah:

XVMC?

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Bjwebb:

anyway thanks for your help

[06:35:19]

Bjwebb:

cya

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: I have this hunch that a bug or an error on my part is causing my problems. Do any culprits jump out at in this output? http://novae-res.org/mythtv.txt

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Tanthrix:

Dibblah: XvMC and libmpeg2. XvMC actually made things worse, while libmpeg2 was about the same.

[06:35:59]

kormoc:

that's a very long log...

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Tanthrix:

And this is a Athlon XP 2600+ system with 1GB of ram and a Geforce4 Ti4600

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Hehe, sorry. I did --verbose all.

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NJigelli:

kormoc: better start reading boi

[06:37:14]

Tanthrix:

Lot of sound card stuff – I was wondering if audio might be the culprit.

[06:37:29]

Tanthrix:

Do you know of anyway to disable audio for testing?

[06:37:35]

kormoc:

do you have 'Use video as audio timebase' enabled?

[06:37:42]

Tanthrix:

No

[06:37:56]

kormoc:

how bout aggressive sound buffering?

[06:38:05]

Tanthrix:

No

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kormoc:

hrm... sad

[06:38:15]

Tanthrix:

Tried the latter though and it didn't help.

[06:38:31]

kormoc:

well, I would try the 'extra audio buffers' if it was a sound card problem

[06:39:33]

Tanthrix:

Where is "extra audio buffers" at? All I know is the "extra audio buffering" in the Playback page and then with the audio in general.

[06:39:45]

kormoc:

that's likely it

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kormoc:

aggressive buffering actually makes the buffers smaller

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Tanthrix:

Weird.

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Tanthrix:

Seems to be better with the both of them enabled.

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kormoc:

strange

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Tanthrix:

Alright, maybe I'm a liar.

[06:43:29]

Tanthrix:

Yeah, it's just the one on the playback page that makes the difference.

[06:43:47]

Tanthrix:

I thought I had already tried that but it seems that I hadn't.

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kormoc:

are you using any sound daemons? like artsd or esd?

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Tanthrix:

Oh, I see what I did. I had XvMC enabled when I tested it out, and because XvMC makes it worse I didn't notice an improvement. When I go back to standard and then enabled it it's much better.

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Tanthrix:

And no, not to my knowledge.

[06:49:15]

Tanthrix:

Apparently I'm still not in the clear. I was testing on my CRT (1280x1024) but now when I playback on my HD set (at 1920x1080p) it's back to being stuttery again. Should that be the case?

[06:50:23]

Dagmar:

If your CPU isn't powerful enough, sure.

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Thanks for your help, by the way. Much obliged.

[06:53:16]

kormoc:

g'luck, sorry I couldn't help more

[06:53:33]

Tanthrix:

No worries.

[06:53:48]

Tanthrix:

I think I'm going to just have to build myself a better system, this one is pretty old now.

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juski:

mornin

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peter_:

Hello! I have a BE/FE and I am preparing a second FE but I do not succeed to connect to the BE. See http://www.pastebin.ca/425078 for more information.

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Ribs:

peter_, mysql isn't letting anything other tyhan localhost through

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Ribs:

than*

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juski:

peter_: make sure your mysql server is allowing connections from other IP addresses

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juski:

most common thing is that it's bound to localhost rather than the machine's real IP address

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juski:

after that there might be privilege issues...

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gardengnome:

re

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peter_:

On the FE I only have mysql client. Nothing is stored in mysql on the FE, right?

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Dagmar:

grep it for "skip-networking"

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peter_:

skip-external-locking

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peter_:

# Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on

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peter_:

skip-bdb

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peter_:

#skip-innodb

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

never-ending story.

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clever[rev]:

2007-04–05 02:27:08.103 AutoExpire: ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to determine what Recordings to expire

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clever[rev]:

2007-04–05 02:27:09.572 mythbackend: Last message repeated 240 times: Running housekeeping thread

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clever[rev]:

2007-04–05 02:27:09.581 mythbackend: Autoexpire Recording: ERROR: Filesystem Info cache is empty, unable to determine what Recordings to expire

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clever[rev]:

what could cause that?

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Dagmar:

You having destroyed your database at some point

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clever[rev]:

database should be fine

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clever[rev]:

mythbackend was running and working before that came up

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clever[rev]:

and appears to be working still after that error

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clever[rev]:

did i mention the video dir was umount'ed?:P

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t0ny-p40:

wtf... I just moved all my music off of /music thats a nfs share to my server and mythmusic is still playing the songs...

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t0ny-p40:

ok umount then mounted fixed it

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anykey_:

can anyone recommend a good motherboard for a 939 socket cpu that can handle *a lot* of pci-load?

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directhex|work:

what's the current board you're using that's causing issues?

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anykey_:

Asus A8V

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Dagmar:

Anything not VIA based

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anykey_:

hm ok

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Dagmar:

Hah that board won't even BOOT with a pvr-500

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anykey_:

it does

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Dagmar:

Try one of the ASRock boards.

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anykey_:

though not with a PVR-500 _and_ an agp card ;-)

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Dagmar:

anykey_: I have one of those very boards here that I keep forgetting to sell off

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directhex|work:

a8v is k8t800 isn't it?

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anykey_:

yes it is

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Dagmar:

...meaning it's one of those twitchy VIA chipsets

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directhex|work:

so you want an AGP board too

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directhex|work:

which limits your choices somewhat

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anykey_:

directhex|work: that is not a must

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anykey_:

I have a pci graphics card anyway...

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Dagmar:

I'm using two ASRock 939dual-SATA2 boards here.

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Dagmar:

They've got basically the AM2 version of that out

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Dagmar:

...still with the ULi chipset

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directhex|work:

i'd avoid an ali chipset

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Dagmar:

They're working fine for me.

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Dagmar:

No random crashes or reboots, ever.

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anykey_:

I have the following musts: 4x SATA onboard, at least 3x PCI slots, 4x RAM banks...

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Dagmar:

ULi was *bought* by nVidia, which is kinda a stamp of approval

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anykey_:

Dagmar: my backend (on the a8v) crashes about once a day with a hard-lockup, mostly when there is a recording from the PVR and massive activity on the harddisks...

[08:56:26]

directhex|work:

uli and ali are, in fact, the same

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anykey_:

Dagmar: that could be the chipset, right?

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Dagmar:

anykey_: Yes, it rather is likely that it is the chipset.

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Dagmar:

anykey_: Did you increase the PCI latency setting for your disk controller tho?

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anykey_:

yes

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anykey_:

didn't help

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anykey_:

well, it did, before that it crashed right after building the sw-raid

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Dagmar:

directhex|work: So basically, you're trying to tell me that there's an ATI southbridge on my board that I somehow overlooked.

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Dagmar:

LOL

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directhex|work:

hang on, it's the other way round isn't it

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Dagmar:

ALI and ULI are not the same.

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Dagmar:

Two entirely different companies.

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Dagmar:

They've worked together, but they are not the same.

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directhex|work:

Acer Laboratories Inc. renamed in june 2003

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Dagmar:

http://www.uli.com.tw/eng/support/drivers.php

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directhex|work:

and nvidia bought them. that's not news

[09:03:37]

anykey_:

what about the MSI K8N Neo4-F?

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anykey_:

has no gbit ethernet and a fan on the chipset though

[09:06:33]

directhex|work:

nforce4 almost all have fans on the chipset

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anykey_:

well, I think I'm going to make the following: Move the backend's board + cpu + ram to my frontend, get a dual-core cpu / ddr2 ram for my backend

[09:08:13]

anykey_:

then I can go HDTV on my frontend and Xen on my backend

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directhex|work:

that's one option. a nice intel of some kind

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directhex|work:

a mythtv addiction is expensive

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anykey_:

well, the intel ones are too expensive

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anykey_:

going to get a X2 4200 or something

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, it's worth noting that ALi chipsets such as ALiMAGiK1 are supported by downloads from uli.com, and more specifically by the multi-chipset-covering ULi integrated driver

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directhex|work:

anykey_, intel costs a little more, but is cooler running and faster. and there's always the option of going overboard on the pci bus question if you're feeling both paranoid and rich

[09:13:27]

anykey_:

hm, think the most pci slots you can get with a pci-express board is 3

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directhex|work:

depends on the board

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anykey_:

i have not seen any board with more

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directhex|work:

and how you define "PCI"

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anykey_:

suitable for a pvr-500

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anykey_:

and probably some other tuner cards that are not pci-e yet

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directhex|work:

well you COULD get something like the p5wdg2-ws pro. but take note of the earlier "rich" comment

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anykey_:

<- not rich

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directhex|work:

supermicro PDSLA? not entirely cheap

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directhex|work:

and only takes older pentium-d chips

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anykey_:

if I go Intel, then I want a core2duo

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anykey_:

the AMD64 X2 4200+ EE is quite cheap and uses not much power

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anykey_:

well that is agp...

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anykey_:

hm, need to go to work, bbl

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Dagmar:

I *think* the NF3 linux driver issues are sorted now, they weren't when I got my second 939dual, which is why I didn't jump to that one

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Dagmar:

I already had one 939dual which I *knew* all the ULi chips were properly working.

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hads:

Silly networks putting extra crap in the show's title in EPG data.

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directhex|work:

that gets annoying

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ivor:

bored bored bored

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gardengnome:

beer?

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** hads has had is quota **

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juski:

iiiiiiiiiiiiiit's friday! yay!

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juski:

feels like a friday anyway :)

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juski:

some folks reckon it's Easter weekend soon – I just look at it as a glorious long weekend

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** gardengnome gets grumpy about christian holidays **

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jduggan_:

juski: heh :)

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jduggan_:

but hopefully it will be dead :P

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jduggan_:

so long weekend :P

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gardengnome:

where do you work at? :)

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juski:

we can direct people from here to call you up

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gardengnome:

yeah

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gardengnome:

we can redirect support@mythtvtalk.com ...

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jduggan_:

i work in a datacenter $SOMEWHERE_IN_THE_UK

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juski:

if it's in the UK isn't it a data_centre_ ? ;)

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jduggan_:

correct

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jduggan_:

typo ;P

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anykey_:

Anyone using an MSI K8N Neo4-F board?

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juski:

haha now that's what I call clutching at straws

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gardengnome:

thou shall not destroy other people's illusions ;)

[11:26:43]

juski:

hello and welcome to #whichmotherboardhsouldIbuyforamythtvsystem

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anykey_:

juski: well, actually I'm only searching for something better than my A8V... but hey ;-)

[11:28:40]

juski:

always bugs me when people can't make up their minds about motherboards – a less than subtle reminder of how galling the choices are

[11:29:04]

gardengnome:

it took me like a month to choose my motherboard. i nearly died in the process.

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gardengnome:

;)

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juski:

I almost gave up the will to live & I was only window-shopping out of curiousity

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juski:

it's enough to make you buy a Mac ffs

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gardengnome:

heh.

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frink_:

hey hey all

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ivor:

heh I always just buy the first one I come across with the right sockets. :)

[11:30:06]

gardengnome:

i choose one of the cheapest boards then. working fine.

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frink_:

juski: Windows Shopping?

[11:30:30]

juski:

I said winDOW shopping

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frink_:

;-)

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juski:

hey I was in a superb mood & you just flipped the switch

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frink_:

I have given up choosing motherboards now.. I just list what I want and fine something of medium price that suits.

[11:30:58]

juski:

you must hate the kittens

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** frink_ hugs juski **

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** juski laughs **

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juski:

do I look ghey or something? actually don't answer that

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gardengnome:

well, *I* saw a picture of you..

[11:32:15]

gardengnome:

so. umm. mythtv on the xbox 360, anyone? ;)

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ivor:

oh but you don't pick up on the mincing walk from just a picture though do you?

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frink_:

Linux on the 360?

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frink_:

I considered using an old Xbox for a frontend but I duno if it's umphy enough..

[11:32:45]

ivor:

nah, just use a PS3. :)

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juski:

frink_: it so isn't

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frink_:

Sheesh, I get a Nova-t 500 and the bloody remote is not supported.

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gardengnome:

juski: what isn't?

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** frink_ wonders why **

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juski:

frink_: linux, with X, in 32MB RAM. go figure

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gardengnome:

http://www.hackaday.com/2007/03/30/bonus-xbox . . . too-live-cd/

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juski:

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juski:

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juski:

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juski:

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juski:

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juski:

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juski:

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juski:

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juski:

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juski:

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juski:

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** ivor slaps juski for being a twonk. **

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juski:

mythfrontend on an original xbox is just like that though

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frink_:

I have given up making it look nice with all this mini-itx shite.. I just got a desktop with a decent processor in and hid it behind the bookshelf.

[11:34:58]

juski:

you can upgrade an xbox to like 128MB RAM or so, but even that prolly isn't enough

[11:35:37]

juski:

frink_: prolly less hassle. sailing close to the wind with puny CPUs is sometimes not fun

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frink_:

juski: sure aint..

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ivor:

or it's much more fun!

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juski:

resolved to test the new build of minimyth I did, tonight

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juski:

changed the openchrome driver this time to see if that fixes the dodgy bbc playback

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ivor:

I'm going to spend the bank holiday getting the EX running.

[11:37:06]

ivor:

or.....

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juski:

that said I dunno which I'd prefer to turn out to be the cause – openchrome or mythtv

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ivor:

I'll go shopping, buy a 1080p screen and spend it playing games. :D

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juski:

ivor: I know which sounds more fun

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juski:

shopping on a bank holiday weekend? heh save it for next week, I would

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frink_:

hmm

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juski:

like all bank holidays.. should be time spent at home :)

[11:44:29]

juski:

book a day off some other monday & go away then – less rat-race-like see ;)

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jduggan_:

i hate xmas/easter/public holidays etc

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jduggan_:

so many people on the roads and in shops, annoying

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gardengnome:

that's why you order your christmas presents off amazon ;)

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jduggan_:

i don t think about it early enough :p

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gardengnome:

they ship withhin 24 hours ;)

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jduggan_:

not on the day before christmas eve, they dont

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jduggan_:

:|

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jduggan_:

i'm one of these people that thinks they have plenty of time then realise its the 23rd of December and dont have anything :P

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gardengnome:

i think they do, actually. at least in germany.

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frink_:

Yeah Munich market is pretty mad just before Christmas..

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maniacxs:

hi, there is somewhere a job script to duplicate recordings. i am not able to find it anymore. does someone know where it is?

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gardengnome:

archive_job.pl?

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maniacxs:

hi gardengnome :)

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maniacxs:

for archive_job.pl google says 0 results

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gardengnome:

maniacxs: it's in the contrib/ directory

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maniacxs:

gardengnome: it seems to copy a file to another directory

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maniacxs:

there was a script to duplicate the file in the recordings

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maniacxs:

but archive_job is usefull, too

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praet:

maniacxs: what is it you are trying to do? duplicate the file, or duplicate the database entry

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maniacxs:

praet: both

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praet:

I don't understand how that would be useful but I think a database script with that archive_job would work

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maniacxs:

its because i want to mythtranscode from 1 recording more than 1 show

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maniacxs:

praet: there is already such a script but i do not find it

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fryfrog:

does anyone recall how to disable opengl ui?

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praet:

dont see it either

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: oh that was mentioned yesterday morning about this time

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janneg:

fryfrog: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter qt

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Dagmar:

Just scroll up

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Dagmar:

Add a = in there

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Dagmar:

IIRC

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praet:

yep. mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

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fryfrog:

ah, thanks :)

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janneg:

Dagmar: yeah, you're right. sorry fryfrog

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praet:

maniacxs: Maybe a better way to transcode multiple times is to figure out how to keep the original after a transcode

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maniacxs:

praet: after mythtranscoding and keeping the original i had different problems, because mythtranscode updated the database. so it was not possible to make "new" cutpoints

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speedsix:

howdy all

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speedsix:

is there anyway to adjust the ff/rewind seek amount when watching a recording? Nothing in setup

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speedsix:

currently 30secs forward and 5 back

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maniacxs:

speedsix: do you mean sticky keys or "normal" mode?

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speedsix:

normal mode

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maniacxs:

it is somewhere. i take a look

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speedsix:

thanks

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maniacxs:

speedsix: i can not find it.

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maniacxs:

speedsix: i am really sure i saw something like this once

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speedsix:

no problem i'll have a poke around the db

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maniacxs:

speedsix: i did not see it with a quick look at settings db, too.

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speedsix:

hmm, dont think it's in the db, would expect to see the value '30' somewhere if it was

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jimbalaya:

I have a (cheap/bad/soon to be replaced) vid card that I was able to get tv-out to work on, however it can pretty much only do "NTSC640x480" which actually displays too large on the TV (and, if I have a monitor hooked up as well, it displays too large on that as well – but that can go to 1024x768)

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jimbalaya:

I know there's a setting to allow the X display to over-extend the actual available screen .. but I forget where that is

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Dagmar:

Too large?

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Dagmar:

You sure about that?

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Dagmar:

Rememeber, there's going to be a good 5–10% overscan that *will* go off the edges of the TV

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gardengnome:

read up on overscan.

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speedsix:

anyone view videos with the MythVideo internal player encoded from DVD by myth?

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jimbalaya:

this is HUGE, it's as if the display is a foot or two beyond the TV

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Dagmar:

Okay THAT sounds like you just don't have X setup properly.

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speedsix:

any video ripped by Myth doesn't seek properly whereas avi's I've encoded outside myth work fine

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speedsix:

video length is off if you look, either 2secs or something like 3146hrs

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jimbalaya:

i have this sis6326 card, which only displays certain resolutions: "PAL800x600", "PAL800x600U", "PAL720x540", "PAL640x480", "NTSC640x480", "NTSC640x480U" and "NTSC640x400"

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jimbalaya:

so I just used the "NTSC640x480"

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gardengnome:

jimbalaya: check http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsisvga.shtml

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gardengnome:

you might be able to adjust overscan in the tv encoder.

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Dagmar:

THe modelines for that mode are crazy is the probolem

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jimbalaya:

yeah, gardengnome – i read http://www.winischhofer.eu/linuxsispart1.shtml#25

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gardengnome:

jimbalaya: what about the sis control panel?

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jimbalaya:

i'm not familiar with the sis control panel

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gardengnome:

you should try it if it works with your card ;) or use the overscan controls in mythtv.

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gardengnome:

or listen to dagmar.

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gardengnome:

*shrug*

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jimbalaya:

: i'm reading up on 'modeline' now

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jimbalaya:

hrm, confusing stuff

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ivor:

right pre-(uk)weekend afternoon poll..... LCD or Plasma. what's everyone's favourite.

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Zider:

TFT

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Zider:

;)

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speedsix:

depends on the LCD

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speedsix:

I game alot so I went for LCD

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speedsix:

just avoid the new Bravias *angry smiley*

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ivor:

oooh what's wrong with the new bravias? I was looking at them because they are one of the few 1080p screens.

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speedsix:

Got a W-series, possibley the best flat panel I've seen in terms of performance but... I'm on my 3rd. Nearly all of them have problems with a cloudy, un-even backlight

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ivor:

hmmm, hadn't thought about backlight problems. 1–0 to plasma?

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speedsix:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748779

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speedsix:

W2000 is the uk spec

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speedsix:

My 3rd one still have slight clouding but to an acceptable level, previous 2 were much worse

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speedsix:

Sony say it's not a problem and won't exchange sets=-O

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speedsix:

idiots

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speedsix:

luckily Amazon were better about returns

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speedsix:

it really is a fantastic screen though which is the problem

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speedsix:

run my frontend upscaled to 1080p/50 on it8-)

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jams:

ivor, one thing I would really consider is glare on the screen

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jams:

if you have alot of windows you don't want a plasma. On the other hand plasma does give a bit more vibrant picture

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ivor:

I've got a really old plasma at the moment. but not HD. time to upgrade.

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jams:

i see

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ivor:

have lots of windows too. but glare isn't that much of a problem with totally flat screens.

[14:27:23]

jams:

I did the same. I have an old plasma that moved to the bedroom and then purchased a samsung 4696

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jams:

the samsung is a lcd

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speedsix:

if you do go for lcd make sure it has an adjustable backlight, most do

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speedsix:

and if you want 1080p check what inputs it accepts 1080p on

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speedsix:

most only HDMI

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speedsix:

and check if it does 1:1 mapping and on which input

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jams:

really for 1080p I would only consider the Bravias or samsung lcd's

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speedsix:

Most of the 1080p screens have issues, like I say the sony has the backlight problem, sharps suffer from banding and buzzing

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jams:

The toshiba looked nice but it doesn't accept a 1080p signal

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speedsix:

I think the samsungs dont do 1:1 and overscan on 1080p

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speedsix:

it's bizarre

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jams:

speedsix- they have a fix for it

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jams:

enough people bitched about it

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speedsix:

I heard they might, for the samsung 1:1 problem?

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jams:

rest of the world has a firmware update to fix the issue. The US folks will have a board replacement

[14:30:45]

speedsix:

that's good

[14:31:03]

speedsix:

Sony released a firmware 'fix' for the faulty backlights lol

[14:31:04]

jams:

well for the US that was just announced last week.

[14:31:21]

speedsix:

just turned the backlight down:-!

[14:31:30]

jams:

i really like my samsung, but I do feel plasma has a better picture.

[14:31:48]

speedsix:

I upgraded from a Samsung LE32R41BDX

[14:31:56]

jams:

both look good though =)

[14:32:40]

speedsix:

my samsung looked ok but a million miles from the Bravia. If you can go through the hassle of possibley returning sets that is

[14:32:53]

jams:

heh

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jams:

this time around the Bravia and samsung lcd's use the same panel

[14:33:23]

speedsix:

yeah I knew a bunch of them did

[14:33:29]

jams:

so yes the samsung also has some issues with clouds

[14:33:47]

speedsix:

some of the bravias I have seen have been unbelievabley bad

[14:33:59]

speedsix:

how Sony can consider it not a fault is obscene

[14:34:01]

jams:

mine has one, but I only notice it when I look for it

[14:34:09]

jams:

heh no kidding

[14:34:22]

speedsix:

i can see a bit of clouding in a pitch black room on a dark scene.. just

[14:34:37]

speedsix:

my previous 2 bravias you could see it in a lit room much more easily

[14:34:55]

speedsix:

really distracting

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jams:

only see mine on pitch black screen with the back light on high

[14:35:30]

speedsix:

yeah, I tend to have my backlight quite low anyway

[14:35:35]

fryfrog:

wow, since the weather got colder and i opened the windows in my computer room, my firewire STB boxes have been working like a *mother*

[14:35:46]

fryfrog:

they must have really hated the 80–90 degree room :(

[14:35:47]

jams:

not enought to call for an exchange, but maybe I will mention it calling in for the justscan update

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gardengnome:

fryfrog: celsius or fahrenheit? :>

[14:36:09]

fryfrog:

ahahha

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fryfrog:

C, my room is almost boiling water ;p

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speedsix:

I found a use for all that increased resolution of 1080p

[14:36:47]

speedsix:

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u91/speeds . . . DSC07444.jpg

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speedsix:

;)

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jams:

heh

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jams:

so ivor, make your decision yet

[14:38:12]

ivor:

nope. I'll have to go and look at a few. probably leaning towards LCD I think.

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gardengnome:

impulse shopping tends to make people unhappy ;)

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juski:

well, not until the credit card bill arrives ;)

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jams:

The one thing that bugs me about the samsung is that dang glossy black finish.

[14:40:02]

juski:

sandpaper!

[14:40:26]

jams:

heh the thought has crossed my mind

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ivor:

!

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jams:

didn't say I was going to do it, just that it crossed my mind

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speedsix:

it'll end up getting scratched even if you dont touch it anyway

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jams:

reflects to much when watching movies, and really shows off those fingerprints!

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jduggan_:

looks nice in the shop windows though

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ivor:

well don't watch those sort of movies!

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jduggan_:

makes u stop and think ooooooh, aaaah, then u buy it

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** jams pictures ivor hauling a new 46 incd lcd home on his old bike **

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ivor:

just a little 46"-er ?

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ivor:

:)

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jams:

sweet, pulling the timezone/zipcode and some other settings from the MBE is working for Frontend only installs

[14:54:47]

jams:

not for I like how it's done, but it's working!

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anykey_:

someone knows what those DriveReady SeekComplete errors in dmesg mean?

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Dagmar:

Generally that you have a 40pin IDE cable trying to do DMA transfers, or that your drive is overheating and dying, or that you compiled the wrong support in your kernel

[14:59:35]

Dagmar:

...but it really depends on the *specific message*

[14:59:47]

Dagmar:

...as well as what it's doing at the time.

[14:59:56]

Dagmar:

A stupidly created partition can even cause that message.

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anykey_:

those drives (I have it on *all* my drives) are all S-ATA, the exact message is: ata4: status=0x50 { DriveReady SeekComplete }, and it's happening when the SW-Raid is writing something... could this be due the lame via chipset of my board?

[15:00:27]

Dagmar:

Could be

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Dagmar:

This is one of the things that should go away if you increase the PCI latency on the SATA controller to about 0xb0

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anykey_:

hm

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anykey_:

how can I do that? In the bios of the board or in the controller's bios?

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Dagmar:

Search the wiki and you will find the magical command to do it

[15:02:56]

Dagmar:

Specifically search for "pci latency"

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency

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ivor:

and see if there's any updated driver

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Dagmar:

bleh wronc han

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Dagmar:

!@#$!@#... I meant to say "If you're using ivtv it will take care of the latency setting for the tuner cards for you"

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anykey_:

hm, the PVR's have the same latency as one of my sata controllers, should I increase the latency of the controller?

[15:07:28]

Dagmar:

anykey_: did you read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_Latency or not?

[15:07:42]

anykey_:

I did, but I don't know if equal values are good or not

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anykey_:

oh "should be higher", sorry

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Dagmar:

I just said, "If you're using ivtv it will take care of the latency setting of the tuner cards for you"

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jimbalaya:

heh, cool – just read through PCI Latency, and I have the system-wide 32 setting ... noticed ivtv making changes, but didn't think of it ..... possibly avoided a confusing and drawn out problem there

[15:08:33]

Dagmar:

You only need to worry about increasing the latency of the disk controller, which SHOULD solve the problem if it's one where the tuners are choking out the PCI bus

[15:08:53]

Dagmar:

I had to do that thing with my PVR-500

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jimbalaya:

i have a feeling I'll have to increase my disk latency :-/

[15:09:28]

Dagmar:

I set mine to b0 like that Dan Robbins guy

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jimbalaya:

does larger latency affect system performance?

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anykey_:

hm the errors are not gone

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Milosch:

hrm

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Milosch:

my SATA controllers don't reflect any changes i make with that setpci command

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Milosch:

they always show 0

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Dagmar:

Did you compile support for the SATA controller chip you have into your kernel?

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Milosch:

nm – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:PCI_Latency

[15:18:54]

Milosch:

my chipset...

[15:19:50]

Milosch:

well, not exactly the same chipset, but nvidia

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qu0zl:

Dagmar, does support being compiled in as opposed to as a module affect whether you can change pci latencies? I've had varied success with different boards, i thought it was due to the manufacturers as they're mini-itxs

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qu0zl:

my pentium-m won't let me set pci latencies for any of the onboard pci devices. Or at least i can't figure out what i need to do differently

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Dagmar:

qu0zl: I've been generally assuming that once the device has been grabbed by one driver, it can't be released to be grabbed by another

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Dagmar:

I've never seen the generic IDE PCI driver "let go" from modprobing a more specific driver

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xoritor:

anyone have good docs on tv antennas?

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ivor:

the internet. what are you trying to find out.

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xoritor:

well i want a good antenna that will work with lots of tuners

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qu0zl:

ahh dagmar, so i may be using a wrong, but working, driver. Cheers, i'll look into that

[15:30:27]

xoritor:

i would prefer it be installable inside my attic, but that is not a requirement

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ivor:

unless you can see the transmitter frmo your window, don't bother trying to mount an aerial inside.

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ivor:

the type of antenna will depend on your location and signal strength.

[15:31:56]

xoritor:

i have an hdtv antenna with an indoor powered reciver hooked up directly to my tv right now (no hdtv capture card yet)

[15:32:01]

xoritor:

and that works great

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xoritor:

for most things

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xoritor:

hmm

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ivor:

"for most things" ?

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xoritor:

yea some of the std def stuff coming through it is not great

[15:32:47]

xoritor:

but then i dont watch the std def stuff with it

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xoritor:

so its not a big deal

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ivor:

probably means the hd signals are coming from a more powerful transmitter so you're getting a better signal from them... but the SD are moved/left on the old kit. and your indoor aerial can't get a good signal.

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xoritor:

hmm

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Ribs:

here's an odd one for you... I've just upgraded to a very sexy new monitor... when watching anything in mythtv now, I get a huge blue bar along the right hand side of the screen

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Ribs:

I'm thinking this is an overlay problem or something

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Ribs:

maybe the internal graphics hasen't got enough memory for the new resolution?

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Ribs:

interestingly, both mplayer and totem complain about 'out of resources' when viewing 720p content

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Ribs:

but switching to opengl as the output renderer in mplayer seems to fix it

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Ribs:

I wonder if it's possible to do the same in mythtv...

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juski:

the weekend starts here! yay! seeyas

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kormoc:

Ribs, look into xvattrib and how to set the background xv color from blue to black

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Ribs:

kormoc, the blue bar goes over the video

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jackyyll1:

does anyone have any information on using a NAS server for the mythtv's backend storage?

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Dagmar:

There's nothing special that wouldn't be covered by normal NAS usage

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jackyyll1:

well i mean, it wouldn't have any problems right?

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GreyFoxx:

no, myth wouldn't really know or care

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jackyyll1:

k thats good

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. Anyone know what kernel options / modules are needed for the pcHDTV series cards? I can't figure out if I have to have v4l compatibility or not.

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jimbalaya:

well, you wouldn't want to record tv direct to the NAS, right?

[16:15:46]

baxter_kylie:

Not that I can think of, no.

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kRutOn:

baxter_kylie: cx88_dvb for the latest ones

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baxter_kylie:

kRutOn: Do I need to enable v4l compat in the kernel or is dvb all I need?

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kRutOn:

baxter_kylie: Just DVB.

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baxter_kylie:

kRutOn: gratz. pcHDTV documentation is beyond limited.

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kalidma:

bing the pchdtv analog tuners. This is running on knoppmyth, which the latest is debian.

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xris:

kalidma: why not just not use the analog tuners on the pchdtv cards?

[17:19:44]

kalidma:

they are framegrabbers and i get mpeg 1 errors when i try to do that. the backend is really low powered

[17:21:04]

kalidma:

just to clarify the backend is low powered 1ghz with only 256 rdram so I need the hardware encoding

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kalidma:

I thought i saw some posts about people saying they blacklist the tuners for the pchdtv cards. Is this smart to do. Would it still conflict

[17:24:50]

juski:

kalidma: you're on the right track with the udev stuff there I think

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kalidma:

i have seen others do it successfully. I just think my rules are not triggering properly

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kalidma:

Juski how would you be able to see if they udev rules are triggering properly, do some kind of tail on the backend/

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juski:

kalidma: dmesg is the key to that

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kalidma:

juski I did try that..... hmm i think i might just have to rebuild the backend. Although i am fearful this will crop up agin

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planktonboy:

hi all

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juski:

kalidma: you can try blacklisting the analogue modules for the hd cards – that's one (messy & kinda hackish) way to make sure

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kalidma:

Juski i think i will try that before i rebuild, guess i will look on gossamer threads and see how they did it

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baxter_kylie:

Anyone here have any luck using an irtrans receiver with lirc?

[17:43:48]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: do you happen to know of a link that has information for modlines with 720p and 1080i etc?

[17:45:04]

juski:

SlicerDicer-: ummm.. google?

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juski:

or the mythtv wiki has a bit of a modeline database going on

[17:47:16]

SlicerDicer-:

juski: I was trying to find google but it did not work :/

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SlicerDicer-:

err I mean I was trying to find it on google it did not work lol

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juski:

lol

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database

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planktonboy:

just a quick question if I may

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juski:

planktonboy: that was it. seeya

[17:50:15]

planktonboy:

LOL

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baxter_kylie:

slicerdicer: Generally you want to go to your monitor mfg. Also, if you have an nvidia card they have preset modes already created in the binary driver.

[17:50:21]

planktonboy:

hi juski

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juski:

planktonboy: just ask

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planktonboy:

referring to a question last week I am trying to compile mythmusic to add that libvisual patch so that I can use projectM in mythmusic

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juski:

the doctors are in

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planktonboy:

hehe

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planktonboy:

cool

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juski:

there was a patch for libvisual?!

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SlicerDicer-:

looking juski thanks :)

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juski:

I thought it got knocked back on account of it adding yet another dependency

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planktonboy:

anyway this patch http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2307#comment:2

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planktonboy:

depends on 2 other tickets

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juski:

planktonboy: prolly only works against a current svn from when it was posted

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planktonboy:

sorry juski..does that mean it will work with the svn 2.0 fixes

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juski:

planktonboy: nope, not unless they were backported. you'd have to try HEAD I'm afraid

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planktonboy:

and what is HEAD

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gardengnome:

head might be incompatible as well. there were some changes to mythmusic.

[17:54:34]

gardengnome:

planktonboy: like, the developer's version of mythtv.

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juski:

HEAD is the bleeding-edge development version

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planktonboy:

ah

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juski:

the patches to refactor the visualisations might have been committed already

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juski:

check the -commits archive

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planktonboy:

ok

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planktonboy:

what |I was really wondering is the ticket 2594 has several patches

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planktonboy:

woud I need to apply all of those

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planktonboy:

or only the most recent one

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planktonboy:

that is if it worked anyway

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planktonboy:

as far as I can see ticket 2595 is already in svn

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planktonboy:

hmmm....every time I manage to figure out 1 thing another 10 questions pop up :)

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fryfrog:

why are you trying to apply the patch?

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planktonboy:

hi fryfrog....I just wanted to see if I could get projectM to work with mythmusic

[18:00:14]

planktonboy:

and seeing as someone else has managed it I thought I would have a gp

[18:00:17]

planktonboy:

go even

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planktonboy:

at least if I try I might learn something in the process

[18:01:04]

planktonboy:

maybe :)

[18:02:59]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

stupid question, what is projectM?

[18:03:28]

fryfrog:

(i'm so lazy it hurts)

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planktonboy:

its a visualization plugin linux version of Milkdrop

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planktonboy:

does really wicked visuals

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fryfrog:

ahhhhh

[18:05:06]

planktonboy:

WAY better than any other visuals I have seen before

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baxter_kylie:

planktonboy: And had some pretty bad memory bleeding the last time I checked.

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planktonboy:

baxter...the latest ver is 0.99 whic may have fixed that

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gardengnome:

cool, looks like it'd even work with amarok.

[18:07:16]

planktonboy:

it works ok here

[18:07:24]

planktonboy:

yeah it does

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planktonboy:

work with amarok

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gardengnome:

wonder if it'd make my amarok even more unstable.

[18:07:41]

planktonboy:

I am using it with xmms on the laptop

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planktonboy:

doesnt seem to

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planktonboy:

I ahve tried it with amarok too

[18:08:03]

gardengnome:

heh. i'm using xmms on the laptop as well, amarok uses too much CPU ;)

[18:08:49]

Zider:

audacious <3

[18:09:09]

Chicago:

Anybody use the VBI passthrough on the ivtv-radio?

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planktonboy:

but when I saw that someone had patched it to their mythmusic I thought that would be really nice to have as a feature escecially on a nice big display

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planktonboy:

so if tried to patch myth with those patches from ticket 2594..would I have to use all the patches in succession, or just the last ones

[18:11:43]

planktonboy:

I guess it wouldnt hurt to do them all I guess

[18:12:06]

planktonboy:

and if it doesnt work then at least I tried

[18:12:34]

planktonboy:

gardengnome...yeah amarok does use quite bit of cpu

[18:12:46]

gardengnome:

planktonboy: the option --dry-run for patch can be very valuable :) don't forget to remove it when you actually want to apply that patch.

[18:13:07]

planktonboy:

ok

[18:13:09]

planktonboy:

thanks

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gardengnome:

planktonboy: if one patch is just an updated version of an older one, just use the newest one.

[18:13:37]

gardengnome:

unless noted otherwise.

[18:13:45]

planktonboy:

right

[18:13:48]

gardengnome:

at least that's how i'd do it. i do fail quite often ;)

[18:14:08]

planktonboy:

yeah I was reading about how trac works

[18:14:18]

planktonboy:

and I sort of understand a bit of it now

[18:14:53]

fryfrog:

now i remember why i unsubscribed from the mythtv mailing list :/

[18:15:18]

gardengnome:

fryfrog: hmm?

[18:15:21]

planktonboy:

and I spent a bit of time comparing the patches with the actual svn checkouts

[18:15:31]

planktonboy:

fry, haha

[18:15:33]

gardengnome:

i unsubscribed to mythtv-users because there was too much.. stuff. ;)

[18:15:33]

planktonboy:

yeah

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planktonboy:

I am sorry for sounding a but dumb

[18:16:05]

planktonboy:

I am getting old I guess and

[18:16:22]

fryfrog:

yes, exactly the "stuff" that is too much

[18:16:40]

gardengnome:

planktonboy: so, what are you going to do now exactly?

[18:16:45]

planktonboy:

the old grey matter takes a bit longer to soak everything up

[18:17:35]

planktonboy:

gardengnome...not sure really ...I might just go and buy a psychedelic lavalamp or something

[18:17:39]

planktonboy:

that eould be easier

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planktonboy:

would even

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gardengnome:

heh

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planktonboy:

my workaround for it so far though has been to install xmms on my mythpc and use that when I want those visuals

[18:20:05]

planktonboy:

anyways...I guess this old hippie at heart will live without it if all else fails

[18:20:25]

gardengnome:

:(

[18:20:35]

planktonboy:

but thanks for the feedback anyways....

[18:21:03]

planktonboy:

I'll prolly waste a few days trying it though just to see how far I can get

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planktonboy:

only way to learn

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gardengnome:

sure, why not.

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planktonboy:

:)

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planktonboy:

but it would be useful to learn how to compile myth from svn anyway as I originally just installed it from the ubuntu repos

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Chicago:

planktonboy: I think the XMMS code is all on the outs because it is GTK 1. The Gentoo distribution even removed it from the package manager a few months ago.

[18:29:34]

planktonboy:

yeah

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planktonboy:

so it seems

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kormoc:

that and it's unmaintained

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planktonboy:

but it works for now and does all I need it to so it'll do for the time being

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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fryfrog:

man, this data direct generic descriptions crap is causing my backend to record a *fuckton* of shows

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planktonboy:

oh well...someones jst come over...so i'd better go ...but thanks again and cya later all

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fryfrog:

so uh, if i fire up a slave backend w/o any tuners... it would be used for comm flagging and transcoding, right?

[18:49:57]

juski:

would/could...

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baxter_kylie:

Gah. The kernel menu makes no sense. It requires v4l device support to get a dvb compiled in?!?

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fryfrog:

damn that kernel menu!

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Chicago:

How do I make IVTV have access to VBI passthrough mode for ivtv-radio. I get ioctl errors when I try the '-P' argument. I'd like to be able to listen to the radio and then call in when they say "be the 10th caller" without having the 2 second delay.

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gardengnome:

Chicago: this is #mythtv-users, try a ivtv channel or their mailing list. you might get better answers there.

[19:09:51]

Chicago:

gardengnome: Where is the IVTV freenode channel anyway?

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gardengnome:

dunno

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fryfrog:

#ivtv?

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gardengnome:

see www.ivtvdriver.org

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fryfrog:

nope, not #ivtv :)

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Chicago:

#ivtv-dev

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stuarta:

it's holiday time!!!!! wooo hooo....

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Chicago:

Yeah it is.

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schwagner:

i have a sound issue; mythtv won't record sound

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schwagner:

from a hauppage wintv card

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Chicago:

schwagner: What do you see in the mythlog about your mixer and pcm?

[19:44:16]

schwagner:

you know, i kinda forgot to check the logs before running for help

[19:44:31]

schwagner:

Chicago, I'll check that first, thanks

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Chicago:

schwagner: Try and start the backend over and then start the frontend in a shell and then watch a recording... see the error about your mixer.

[19:45:13]

Dagmar:

I'm assuming the passthru cable is there

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schwagner:

Dagmar, yes, it is

[19:47:43]

Dagmar:

Yeah it would pretty much have to be a mixer problem if nothing's suspicious about the tuner autodetection in the syslog

[19:47:57]

Dagmar:

Much easier to look over the mixer and selected recording source first

[19:49:45]

schwagner:

here's the deal, when I try to watch live tv, the sound doesn't capture, or it doesn't mute it when i stop recording

[19:49:56]

schwagner:

it's weird, it worked the last time i set it up

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Dagmar:

Sounds like it's picking the wrong source for input then

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Dagmar:

Like picking mic when it should be picking line in

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schwagner:

Dagmar, or something like that

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schwagner:

but i only have a few hours till my shows i want to record start ;)

[19:51:07]

Dagmar:

This won't take hours to fix

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schwagner:

i'll check the logs and report back, thanks for the help

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praet:

what do you folks use to map a network diagram

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Chicago:

praet: OpenBSD.

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stuarta:

paintbrush?

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praet:

i mean like dia, xfig

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Chicago:

praet: Inkscape is helpful too.

[20:02:45]

Dagmar:

I use the biggest damn whiteboard I can get my hands on

[20:02:55]

Chicago:

Most people use nmap

[20:02:57]

Dagmar:

...and then I use my digital camera.

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Dagmar:

:)

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praet:

hrmm i didnt think of using a full editing program

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praet:

Dagmar: you're the kind of guy that would buy eraseboard paint for your office and write evertwhere then..

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stuarta:

sadly a lot of people use visio, which is a windoze piece of crap

[20:04:38]

Dagmar:

Actually they make it in rolls so you don't have to paint.

[20:04:52]

Dagmar:

It's hard to get the surface right without a serious belt sander

[20:04:56]

praet:

inscape is interesting.. are there any sets avail with computer, printer, router icons?

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Dagmar:

Nah, but it's pretty easy to just draw some

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Chicago:

praet: Cisco released their icons... you can download them.

[20:05:22]

Dagmar:

Oooh I forgot about those

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praet:

will look that up

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Dagmar:

Aren't theirs in visio format tho?

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praet:

eps should work in inkscape..

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Dagmar:

dylanB: There's utilities that will let you set it, and I'm pretty sure they start with "xv*" but beyond that, I was too drunk to remember what I downloaded the last time. Heh

[20:06:48]

Dagmar:

bleh wrong channel

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praet:

good tips guys thanks for the help

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schwagner:

ok, i've checked the logs, and ran mythfrontend from a terminal, and i'm not seeing any errors

[20:20:07]

schwagner:

at least not sound-related errors

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Chicago:

So does it say you've successfully loaded your mixer when you start to watch a recording?

[20:20:46]

schwagner:

i don't remember seeing that

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schwagner:

i've been testing this by watching live tv

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schwagner:

not watching recordings, if that makes a difference

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Chicago:

Hmm... I'll make a log output and show you where to look.

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schwagner:

Chicago, thanks

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Chicago:

schwagner: Something like line #61 should be there in your log http://pastebin.ca/425941

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schwagner:

this file is /var/log/mythbackend.log ?

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Chicago:

schwagner: That's your backend log.... look in the console output of mythfrontend to see the log you're looking for.

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NAiL:

Is there a simple way to reset the keybindings in mythtv to default?

[20:30:00]

NAiL:

I see it's in "keybindings" in the mythconverg db, but I can't find the script that inserts the default values.

[20:30:24]

NAiL:

(I know enough sql to drop the current stuff and insert the default values if I can just find them)

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Chicago:

NAiL: Last time I screwed those up... I either edited them by hand with mythweb... or just reinstalled the database.

[20:32:37]

NAiL:

hmm

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NAiL:

how do I reinstall the database?

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Chicago:

schwagner: I think that most people use Alsa and have their mixer as 'default' and their PCM device as 'ALSA:default'... the OSS audio device sounds like a wired choice.

[20:34:28]

schwagner:

Chicago, well, i'm not married to it. If i knew how to use the alsa one i would.

[20:34:42]

Chicago:

NAiL Well, you basically drop the current database and then start myth after creating a blank new DB using the script in the contrib directory... (you'll lose your tv listings and meta-data for recordings)

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** NAiL has tried, tried, tried, tried and failed to get a mce remote working **

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NAiL:

Chicago: ok, thanks

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Chicago:

NAiL: Do you have lircd using the hauppauge device?

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kormoc:

NAiL, did you follow the wiki entry on how to get the mce remotes working?

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Chicago:

schwagner: Its in general options... just change your pcm device to ALSA:default and your mixer to 'default' if you already have ALSA installed.

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NAiL:

kormoc: I've tried a bunch of methods

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NAiL:

no matter what I do, I end up with one keypress giving me three-four different codes

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kormoc:

what versions of lirc/kernel?

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NAiL:

I do have an alternate remote that I can use though, so it's not all bad.

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kormoc:

that's strange, I'm using 0.8.1 with 2.6.19 just fine with my mce remote

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kormoc:

what do you mean by different codes? and did you use the lircd.conf that lirc comes with or did you create your own?

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schwagner:

Chicago, this is weird: it plays mp3s just fine.

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Chicago:

schwagner: Does your system only have OSS or do you boot ALSA?

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schwagner:

Ubuntu 7.04, so whatever that means

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schwagner:

i think it has both, but i'm not sure

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schwagner:

i've gotten lazy with my linux distros lately.

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schwagner:

i'm actually fairly sure there is an alsa layer installed

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schwagner:

i've messed around with alsamixer a lot, and i can get it to capture sound, but when it does, it also plays the live audio straight through.

[20:45:43]

schwagner:

it's like it's not selecting the right capture or something.

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NAiL:

kormoc: I've tried downloading one and creating one

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NAiL:

Setting stuff up from scratch now though, going to try a different remote

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frink_:

hey all

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frink_:

seems that my nova-t 500 scans for channels now – no idea why..

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frink_:

can anyody reccomend a usb ir receiver thingy?

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DaRtHo:

how can i use mythtv :(

[21:01:29]

frink_:

Whats up DaRtHo ?

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DaRtHo:

i have debian etch

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DaRtHo:

i have my global tv terminator

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DaRtHo:

and i have done http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . ian_Packages

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DaRtHo:

all that says in that page :/

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frink_:

and....

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DaRtHo:

but i still cant watch tv!

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DaRtHo:

:p

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frink_:

what happens?

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DaRtHo:

i dont know the localhost

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DaRtHo:

:/

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DaRtHo:

i dont know how it works

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frink_:

get mythdora instead – it'll just install everything and will automatically work.

[21:03:13]

frink_:

thats what I did

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gardengnome:

heh

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frink_:

at first I did a fedora install, but then I got lazy

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DaRtHo:

O_O

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frink_:

i would love to make it work on slackware – but I have a wife and kids ;-)

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gardengnome:

mythdora and knoppmyth are nice... when they work

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DaRtHo:

for debian etch

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DaRtHo:

what is better?

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jams:

gardengnome- mythvantage is nice even when it doesnt work ;)

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Chicago:

DaRtHo: I picked Gentoo because it was easiest to install Myth on.

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gardengnome:

jams: it's spiffiness is l33t, indeed.

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jams:

hehe

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frink_:

What is mythvantage ?

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jams:

frink_- something I work on in my own time. screenshots can be found at jmeyer.us

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jams:

nothing released to the general public yet

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jams:

really should update those screenshots

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frink_:

that looks fantastic jams

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frink_:

so it s a mythtv specific distro ?

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jams:

and yes it does work

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jams:

frink_- yeah something I started for myself a while ago. Then decided to slap a real installer/configuration tool on it

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frink_:

cool

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jams:

i'm considering an open beta sometime soon. No promises though

[21:09:30]

gardengnome:

jams: deadlines suck.

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jams:

yep

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frink_:

i never make deadlines

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jams:

which is why I'm not giving myself one

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jams:

i know of a few minor bugs, but mostly its about finishing touches on functionality

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frink_:

do them cheapo usb windows media remote controls work ok on mythtv?

[21:19:46]

jams:

yeah they work with lirc

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jams:

i prefer the snapstream remote over the mce remote

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NAiL:

btw, anyone familiar with pvrusb2 and the upper 1/3rd of the screen flickering when playing live tv?

[21:21:46]

NAiL:

playing video works just fine. It's just live tv that is broken.

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J-e-f-f-A:

NAiL: Upper 1/3rd, or upper 2 or 3 lines?

[21:22:41]

NAiL:

well, it's probably more like ... 1/4th or so

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NAiL:

but more than a couple of lines

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NAiL:

I don't have the same problem with my pvr250

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jams:

NAiL- are you recording at less then 720x480?

[21:23:22]

NAiL:

humm, no idea

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NAiL:

pal

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J-e-f-f-A:

NAiL: Then no — it it were just the first 2 or 3 lines, then it would be the closed-captioning... To which setting 2percent cropping gets rid of...

[21:23:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

NAiL: Oh.. PAL... NVM... that's NTSC CC that's on the first 2 or 3 lines...

[21:24:10]

NAiL:

yeah, and I've switched off CC

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NAiL:

If the tuner on my pvr250 didn't suck so much, I'd just use that instead

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J-e-f-f-A:

NAiL: It doesn't matter if it's switched on or off btw... it's still part of the video signal. (a binary stream of black & white bars on ntsc)

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NAiL:

but it picks up 2/3rd of the channels

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frink_:

jams: Do you mean the snapstream firefly ? ir or wireless?

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jams:

no I mean the streamzap and it's ir

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frink_:

hmm

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frink_:

no streamzap in the uk

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schwagner:

Chicago, i've checked every setting i can think of, and still nothing. any ideas?

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Chicago:

schwagner: Basically, I figured your problem was using OSS. I'm no expert with Ubuntu though.

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schwagner:

Chicago, I can't seem to make oss go away. Also, when i set up the mixer settings like it says in the documentation, i get live audio passthrough all the time.

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schwagner:

it's getting annoying.

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Chicago:

Which sound card?

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schwagner:

SoundBlaster something. I actually just got it to use the alsa settings

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schwagner:

didn't help, of course, but i'm making progress

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Chicago:

schwagner: Sounds like a good start. What's in your /etc/modules.d/alsa ?

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schwagner:

Chicago, nothing. looks like a distro difference to me.

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Chicago:

schwagner: Well you'll need a file for your alsa module that holds its settings. mine looks like http://pastebin.ca/426078

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schwagner:

found it

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schwagner:

/etc/defaults/alsa

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schwagner:

and it's empty

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Chicago:

ah haa

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DaRtHo:

how can i know which is my mysql hostname

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DaRtHo:

:/

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DaRtHo:

i cant run mythtv ;_;

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kormoc:

try localhost if it's the same server

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DaRtHo:

dont get it :/

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DaRtHo:

user ?

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Chicago:

DaRtHo: If you do 'mysql -u root -p' and you're prompted for a password... then it is likely localhost.

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kormoc:

DaRtHo, all depends on how your distro of choice set it up

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DaRtHo:

:/

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DaRtHo:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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DaRtHo:

:(

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Chicago:

DaRtHo: Then try 'mysql -u root -p -h fqdn' where fqdn is your complete hostname with domain suffix.

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Chicago:

DaRtHo: Either that or you haven't setup mysql properly.

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kormoc:

DaRtHo, just try no password when it prompts for one?

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DaRtHo:

can i set a password again ?

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kormoc:

you can change it, yes

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kormoc:

it's not asking you to set it, it's asking for the current one

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DaRtHo:

yep but i cant remember it

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DaRtHo:

:/

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DaRtHo:

there is some way to set it again ?

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DaRtHo:

:(

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kormoc:

if you google mysql password reset, you should find plenty on how to reset it

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kormoc:

google is your friend

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DaRtHo:

^^

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DaRtHo:

thx

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DaRtHo:

:D

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike_

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MythLogBot:

mike_ has not been seen here

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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MythLogBot:

mike3_ is here and has been idle for 1 day 5 hours 59 minutes 1 second

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cheeseboy:

someone wake him up

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kormoc:

cheeseboy, really now... how could we wake him up? how bout you just private message him?

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cheeseboy:

i was jokin

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schwagner:

Chicago, ok, a little more info: when i set the alsactl settings like it says in the documentation, i get the live sound through my speakers. Ay ideas?

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Chicago:

schwagner: Now that you're using alsa... set your sound device in myth to ALSA:default and your mixer device to default.

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schwagner:

did that

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Chicago:

Do you now have the console output from mythfrontend to see the mixer and pcm device it captures?

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schwagner:

it says: opening alsa audio device 'default'

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schwagner:

but nothing about a mixer

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Chicago:

And do you have myth using your internal mixer or do you have myth doing it all?

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Chicago:

that's the checkbox on the same screen as where you set your mixer and device.

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schwagner:

settings are this:

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schwagner:

audio output device: ALSA:default

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schwagner:

User internal volume controls = checked

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schwagner:

Mixer device: default

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schwagner:

Mixer controls: PCM

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schwagner:

everything else is disabled or at the defaults

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Chicago:

Do you have 'default' for your passthrough output device?

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schwagner:

"Default"

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Chicago:

I have the same basic settings you do.

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schwagner:

with a capital D

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schwagner:

nuts

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Chicago:

Capital D here too

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shawn_selig29:

hi guys

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shawn_selig29:

i got a question

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shawn_selig29:

will a dell Emuzed Angel Dual TV Tuner PCI Card ...worok with mythtv ?

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shawn_selig29:

heres the uide for it if u wanna see what it looks like:

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shawn_selig29:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/acc/P74948/EN/setup.htm

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Chicago:

shawn_selig29: Check the mailing lists... I've never heard anyone here mention that card.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's likely just a rebranded one anyways

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shawn_selig29:

yah dell doesn't make the stuff they name

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shawn_selig29:

i'm on a dell laptop now....lo...

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Chicago:

shawn_selig29: You'll probably want one that's already proven reliable.

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Chicago:

shawn_selig29: There are no specs on that card listed either... so I can't confirm if the kernel has support for the possible encoder it might use... (if its not just a framegrabber)

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shawn_selig29:

ok

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shawn_selig29:

dam.. that sucks

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shawn_selig29:

i might have to use windos media center..lol

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Chicago:

go away

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shawn_selig29:

ok

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shawn_selig29:

lol

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Chicago:

lol I was just kidding.

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fryfrog:

anyone like this "Dresden Files" show?

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fryfrog:

due to data direct's listings fuck up, i got it instead of L&O SVU

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fryfrog:

seems to be okay

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jams:

fryfrog- seems like it's would be ok, but I have not seen it

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t0ny-p40:

I keep getting this 2007-04–05 17:28:53.954 RingBuf(/myth/1034_20070405165800.nuv): Taking too long to be allowed to read..

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t0ny-p40:

fryfrog, I keep getting a lot of mess ups too in my guide data

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Chicago:

t0ny-p40 do you have bad permissions on /mnt/store?

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schwagner:

Chicago, got it, by the way

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schwagner:

stupid soundcard

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Chicago:

what was wrong?

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schwagner:

does anyone have any hot ideas for re-indexing a bunch of .nuv files? like if you accidentally erased the database?

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schwagner:

Chicago, nothing, i just had the volume up on the AC97 control, whatever that is, which was causing the sound to bleed through

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schwagner:

turned that down to 0, and bang

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schwagner:

fryfrog, my girlfriend and i watch it

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schwagner:

fryfrog, it's pretty decent

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schwagner:

Chicago, thanks a lot for the help, i appreciate it

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frink_:

after much thought i have come to the conclusion that

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frink_:

MythTV

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frink_:

if a complete waste

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frink_:

of a good toppy which i will now sell because it's shit

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hads:

Feel free to leave then

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frink_:

hads: Heh no, the toppy sucks. Myth Rocks

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hads:

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood :)

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frink_:

The topfield would be fine if the software was any good, but it's simple time based recording.

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frink_:

What video card do you have?

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frink_:

There used to be somethign called (i think) xvidtune with Xfree86 that let you move the Horizontal/vertical postition of the video.

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frink_:

Not sure if there is somthign for Xorg

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jimbalaya_:

lspci returns '01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 86C326 5598/6326 (rev c3)

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jimbalaya_:

now that i look at it – my console is the same way

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jimbalaya_:

so, it might not have anything to do with X

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frink_:

Hmm, 'fraid I duno how to fix that!

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jimbalaya_:

hehe

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frink_:

i need to go to bed now anyway..

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frink_:

Good luck.. Try www.linuxtv.org or the myth website wiki for info.. or just google perhaps.

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