Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, April 4th, 2007, 00:00 UTC

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Milosch:

i have it in sources, but am not using it afaik

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BSG75:

Milosch: may I have the path please?

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BSG75:

find / -iname "mythrename.pl" gives nothing

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hads:

Look on trac

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hads:

You can grab it from there

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . ythrename.pl

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hads:

Not a major drama I wouldn't have thought

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BSG75:

thank you ever so much

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BSG75:

that works like magic

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BSG75:

but I would recommend that it is included in the deb some how

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BSG75:

I would've never thought of looking here

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hads:

Well, it's easy to get... It's in the sources.

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BSG75:

since no other dist prior to this needed me to

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GreyFoxx:

Might wanna email that package maintainer, whoever it is

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BSG75:

yes it is .. you are absolutely right.. but like I said: I would've never thought of it since it's always in the contrib for every other dist

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BSG75:

but many many thanks to you for the help

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hads:

Open a ticket, email the maintainer, etc. It's an Ubuntu issue though.

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** hads will go back to work and stop being grumpy. **

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BSG75:

it's hard to find now a days .. growing up sucks .. having a 6 year old daughter means I spend more time with Barbie than I do computers .. it's nice when things just works and brain sometimes just don't see things as they used to :)

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BSG75:

absolutely will do :)

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BSG75:

time*

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BSG75:

now she can watch Dora in all her happiness thanks to you and I get a moment of peace :)

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BSG75:

thanks again

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GreyFoxx:

IT's a blessing and acurse that my daughter knows she can watch any of her shows or movies frm any tv in the house at any time heh

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BSG75:

LOL I hear ya

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BSG75:

thanks again.. good night :)

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GreyFoxx:

I have 5 frontends around the house (4 are msntv2's)

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GreyFoxx:

later

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BSG75:

I will put in a ticket after I put her to bed

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hobophobe:

Is there an easy way to download the data direct XML files separate from mythfill? If so I can amend them and feed them directly to mythfill as a workaround to their 'generic problems'?

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kormoc:

hobophobe, might want to read the docs on labs.zap2it.com under the dev forum

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hobophobe:

Okay

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Arnar_:

hi there..

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Arnar_:

anyone here up to helping me troubleshoot my pvr-500 card?

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Arnar_:

can't find any channels with mythtv

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hobophobe:

you're using cable box?

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gaspipe1:

hey people

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Arnar_:

hi there

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blackest:

any ideas what httpd.conf should have in it for mythtv

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blackest:

i mean mythweb

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ubuntuEdgy:

dose mythtv support animations ?

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scant:

can i ask questions about knoppmyth here?

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blackest:

yes

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ubuntuEdgy:

effect=

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ubuntuEdgy:

?

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scant:

i've found instructions on how to fix my dark screen with analog adapter, 6200 LE, and R5E50, however, i find the instructions hard to follow because i can't see the screen... is there a way to prevent knoppmyth from booting into x? so i can run install-nvidia-debian.sh before i get into the setup after first reboot of an auto install

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kormoc:

blackest, mythweb comes with example files with what is needed for mythweb

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Arnar_:

hey folks..

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Arnar_:

I'm having some trouble with getting any channels on my pvr-500

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gaspipe1:

anyone check out linux mce?

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PaulWay[w]:

gaspipe1: Is it just MythTV with some polishing or is it a new package?

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gaspipe1:

PaulWay[w]: to be honest I never used myth tv... i don't have a pvr card

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gaspipe1:

i saw the video for it.... looks wild

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gaspipe1:

PaulWay[w]: it has myth on it, also controls all other av devices, security cams, phone

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gaspipe1:

PaulWay[w]: check out the video http://linuxmce.com/

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Captain_Murdoch:

ubuntuEdgy: yes, some of the newer themes make use of the opengl animation stuff. G.A.N.T. and the new MePo are a couple examples. I'm not sure of the syntax in the xml files though.

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ubuntuEdgy:

is this documented some where , google didn't have any results

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ubuntuEdgy:

i know the kind of animation you are talking about ,any way thanks

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[R]:

who else thinks the whole cable card certified vista only thing is 100% crap?

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TSCHAK:

there will be a way around that

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TSCHAK:

all you need is one really pissed off resourceful smart person.

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degreseven:

so.. the other night my mythbox (running gentoo) completely locked up while watching a recording. after a reboot, the lirc device (/dev/lirc/0) is not being created. all i see there is /dev/lircd. anyone know how i can fix this?

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[R]:

how do you figure?

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[R]:

i bet those cards are pretty secure

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[R]:

and as of yet... they still have to be profesionally installed

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TSCHAK:

[R], yeah, i've seen authentication/authorization systems become more and more sophisticated over the years

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TSCHAK:

[R], common thread? if it's in wide circulation, it gets cracked... period.

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TSCHAK:

or maybe even better, we get a legal card to use in linux... very unlikely, but not impossible.

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[R]:

but with things like switched video... doesn't it make a request to the headend... thus implying you have a unique ID that they know about... something that can't be faked

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[R]:

cablelabs would never allow that

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TSCHAK:

and again, at some point in the cable box.. you have...an unencrypted mpeg-2 TS

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TSCHAK:

period.

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TSCHAK:

so even if you have to tap the data right off the buss, it's there.

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[R]:

i just love how they automatically assume everyone is a pirate

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TSCHAK:

it hasn't changed

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TSCHAK:

25 years ago, they said the same thing about VCRs

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TSCHAK:

the irony is, of course, that the cable companies 30 years ago, were the ones getting sued by the OTA broadcasters, because cable was basically "stealing" their transmissions to put on their networks.

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TSCHAK:

but, as always, nobody ever pays attention to history.

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[R]:

lol

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TSCHAK:

my point?

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TSCHAK:

yeah, I'm irritated that even though I pay for HD cable, I can't view it like I want.

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TSCHAK:

but, as with all things, solutions come with time.

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[R]:

the stuff on the ML about comcast removing 5C is encouraging

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TSCHAK:

got a url to the thread ?

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[R]:

GRRRR

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[R]:

what is dateline doing... where is my to catch a predator

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nsx:

that commercial flagging is great, but how easy is it to get mythtv to transcode or re-encode a new video file with the commercials automatically cut out?

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cout:

gardengnome: no, it was disabled *blush*

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EnterUserName:

hi

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EnterUserName:

How long does it take people to convert

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EnterUserName:

mythtv programs to dvd format

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EnterUserName:

can some ppl give me esitimates.. for there hardware :)

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EnterUserName:

i have a 3500+.. it takes a while still

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JoeyJoeJo:

I just saw a video about a guy who has a cable card box hooked up to vista media center and he was recording in full hd. Does that mean that it is a reality for mythtv as well?

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EnterUserName:

anyone?>

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EnterUserName:

should i buy a faster computer than a 3500+

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EnterUserName:

lol

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

can someone tell me?

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degreseven:

EnterUserName, i cant give you any solid times, but it does take a while

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EnterUserName:

is there ayway to get it done in 1 hour ? :S or is that like. pipe dreams

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degreseven:

faster processor would speed it up...but 3500 is already pretty fast

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degreseven:

how long does it take now?

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EnterUserName:

not sure last time i did it . it took me quit a long time more than 5 hours

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degreseven:

i don't use the plugin myself, i have just done format conversions to dvd before

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EnterUserName:

im usinvb nuvexport

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EnterUserName:

im goin to be using nuvexport

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JoeyJoeJo:

why not just use mytharchive?

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EnterUserName:

does that do dvd format?

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JoeyJoeJo:

yup

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

ill give it a try

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degreseven:

oh, thats what i thought you were talking about?

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EnterUserName:

can u do it on other systems

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EnterUserName:

how long does it take using dvd archive?

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degreseven:

has anyone had problems with lirc & hauppauge card recently?

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EnterUserName:

with mythtv/

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JoeyJoeJo:

I don't know how long it takes.. just depends on the length of the video and the settings you're encoding at

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EnterUserName:

oh

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EnterUserName:

lets say i have another computer

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degreseven:

you'll have to just try it & see how long it takes

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EnterUserName:

can i do it remotely

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JoeyJoeJo:

degreseven: what problems are you having

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JoeyJoeJo:

enterusername: if you mean on a remote frontend, I'm not sure

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degreseven:

JoeyJoeJo, my machine locked up solid the other night while i was watching a recording, after rebooting, the /dev/lirc/0 device is not being created

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JoeyJoeJo:

it would take longer since the files would be copied over the internet

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degreseven:

i have tried everything i can think of, but the device just isn't showing up. just /dev/lircd is there

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EnterUserName:

true.

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JoeyJoeJo:

enterusername: I meant network, not internet.. sorry

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EnterUserName:

ok

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degreseven:

reinserting modules, restarting lircd, recompiling/ upgrading lirc, udev, kernel, nothing helped

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EnterUserName:

thinkin :)

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JoeyJoeJo:

degreseven: unfortunately I can't help you there.. I've never had that problem

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degreseven:

damn =(

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JoeyJoeJo:

degreseven: which distro?

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degreseven:

gentoo

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JoeyJoeJo:

good choice

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degreseven:

its pissing me off because it happened totally out of the blue

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degreseven:

thanks =)

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JoeyJoeJo:

have you tried /etc/init.d/lircd restart?

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degreseven:

heh, yes

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JoeyJoeJo:

does it give you any errors?

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degreseven:

no

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degreseven:

the modules insert just fine also, no errors

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degreseven:

i do see

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degreseven:

in dmesg

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degreseven:

lirc_i2c: no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kernel tainted.

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JoeyJoeJo:

ouch, thats not a fun message

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degreseven:

no its not, i have no idea wtf it means =P

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'd try recompiling lirc.. and if that doesn't work, maybe try recompiling the kernel

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degreseven:

i already have

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JoeyJoeJo:

the kernel too?

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degreseven:

and udev and drivers & firmware for the card

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degreseven:

yep

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JoeyJoeJo:

dang

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degreseven:

i've recompiled everything i could think of that could possibly be related to it

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JoeyJoeJo:

did you re-download the kernel source and compile, or just use the source you had?

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degreseven:

i actually hadn't rebooted in several months, so i upgraded it

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JoeyJoeJo:

so it's a totally new version and still gets this message?

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degreseven:

yeah

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degreseven:

i didn't notice the message until just now, but i assume it was there with old kernel as well, since the device was not showing up with the old kernel

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degreseven:

guess i could switch back to the old kernel to check, but the box is also my router, so i get kicked offline when i reboot =P

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JoeyJoeJo:

degreseven: found this in a google search: The modules you are inserting are not GPL, thus loading them makes the kernel no longer fully "GPL'd", thus, it is "tainted". You don't have a problem, or at least, that message does not indicate any problem. If you are getting no other messages, then the moduleThe modules you are inserting are not GPL, thus loading them makes the kernel no longer fully "GPL'd", thus, it is "tainted"

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JoeyJoeJo:

. You don't have a problem, or at least, that message does not indicate any problem. If you are getting no other messages, then the module

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JoeyJoeJo:

whoops, double post

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degreseven:

hm

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JoeyJoeJo:

ah, more likely it's this: load a module not specifically compiled for YOUR version of the kernel

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degreseven:

well no i have nothing to go on =P

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degreseven:

hm

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degreseven:

i just recompiled it though, i dont know how that could be

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JoeyJoeJo:

what kernel version do you have?

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degreseven:

2.6.19-gentoo-r5

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degreseven:

i also tried to reset the ir receiver with ivtvctl --reset-ir

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degreseven:

but i get ioctl VIDIOC_INT_RESET failed: Invalid argument

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degreseven:

and there doesnt seem to be any documentation for ivtvctl, lol

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JoeyJoeJo:

well, I'm sorry to say that I'm out of ideas

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JoeyJoeJo:

wait

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JoeyJoeJo:

one more just camke

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JoeyJoeJo:

came

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JoeyJoeJo:

what version of lirc do you have?

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degreseven:

0.8.1, i was using 0.8.0-r5 when this happened

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degreseven:

it has been working for months with no problems with the old version

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degreseven:

not to say that the version is related to this

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JoeyJoeJo:

that was my last idea.. I wen't to lirc.org and they say that lirc .8.1 is compatible with kernel 2.6.19

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JoeyJoeJo:

went

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EnterUserName:

how do you export a cutlist

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EnterUserName:

and use it with dvd archive

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EnterUserName:

and does dvd archive do menus automatically

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degreseven:

well thanks for trying

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degreseven:

guess i'll try to come back later & see if anyone else knows anything =)

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JoeyJoeJo:

sorry I couldn't help more.. thats just one weird problem

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degreseven:

i know...

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JoeyJoeJo:

good luck

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degreseven:

thanks

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JoeyJoeJo:

wait

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

anyone

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JoeyJoeJo:

what version of ivtv do you use

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JoeyJoeJo:

?

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EnterUserName:

how do i use cutlist with dvd archive

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EnterUserName:

im using 0.91

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JoeyJoeJo:

sorry, that was for degreseven

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EnterUserName:

oh lol

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JoeyJoeJo:

I don't know much about cutlists, sorry

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EnterUserName:

a0a0a1a

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grOogle:

Any DVB experts here?

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JoeyJoeJo:

degreseven: if you're still here, I remember that you have to have the version of ivtv that is compatible with your version of the kernel

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grOogle:

I'm trying to record HD, and according to the parameters I see, I should be getting it.

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degreseven:

JoeyJoeJo, yeah, i switched to the new version

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degreseven:

the card seems to work fine with tv & all, its just the remote

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JoeyJoeJo:

well crap.. I would have bet money that was what the problem was

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grOogle:

Am I correct in believing that channel.serviceid is the only parameter needed to select the correct MPEG stream from the broadcast?

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

all how do i cut out commercials using mytharchive

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EnterUserName:

if i have automatic commercial flagging and it works lol

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JoeyJoeJo:

enterusername: you don't.. you have to transcode your recording in the "watch recordings" menu.. then that will cut them

[02:59:36]

JoeyJoeJo:

I think thats the only way, but I may be wrong

[02:59:40]

EnterUserName:

hrm

[02:59:50]

EnterUserName:

Well i already watched it without commericals

[02:59:54]

EnterUserName:

so i think its flagged

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EnterUserName:

how do i tell it to burn like that

[03:00:25]

JoeyJoeJo:

the commercials are still there, but myth's player skips them.. by transcoding them, it will cut them out

[03:00:59]

EnterUserName:

dont i have to tell it a cutlist or does it do it automatically

[03:01:03]

EnterUserName:

it is saying no cutlit

[03:01:09]

EnterUserName:

erk no cutlist

[03:01:27]

degreseven:

then the commercials arent flagged

[03:01:39]

EnterUserName:

hrm

[03:01:45]

EnterUserName:

but when i watch it it skips the commercials..

[03:01:54]

EnterUserName:

how do i flag it?

[03:02:21]

degreseven:

oh, i dunno, flagging commercials creates a cutlist

[03:02:47]

JoeyJoeJo:

highlight the recording, press menu on your remote or m on your keyboard.. then job options, then flag commercials

[03:02:48]

JoeyJoeJo:

I think

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JoeyJoeJo:

it's not M after all.. I pressed the right arrow and then the rest

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

i tried that

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EnterUserName:

ahh flip it i dont care

[03:04:24]

EnterUserName:

its for my friend

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EnterUserName:

lol

[03:04:34]

EnterUserName:

let him watch the commercials

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PaulWay[w]:

The automatic cliche generator says: "Friends don't let friends watch commercials" :-)

[03:05:52]

EnterUserName:

lol

[03:06:12]

EnterUserName:

how do i do it then

[03:06:13]

EnterUserName:

heh

[03:06:17]

EnterUserName:

im googling like mad :)

[03:10:59]

EnterUserName:

i guess i can make my own cutlist hrm

[03:13:25]

kormoc:

degreseven, flagging does not create a cutlist, it creates a flag list, and you can import the flag list into a cutlist, but no, it's not automatic

[03:13:53]

kormoc:

EnterUserName, when watching a video, press e z e to import the flags into a cutlist, or use one of the many user jobs in the wiki to do it automatically

[03:14:14]

EnterUserName:

k

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EnterUserName:

and when im doin a cutlist

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EnterUserName:

it says delete afer and before

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EnterUserName:

how do i tell it to delete a segment

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EnterUserName:

do i put before the commercial delete after

[03:14:39]

EnterUserName:

and after the commercial delete before?

[03:14:40]

kormoc:

I'm sure the docs or wiki have something bout that

[03:20:51]

Tanthrix:

I cannot help but feel that, as a community, homebuilt DVR enthusiasts are fucked because of the switch to all digital transmissions.

[03:21:13]

Tanthrix:

Or at the very least, never going to be able to really take advantage of the benefits of the whole point of digital transmission.

[03:22:11]

Tanthrix:

(I'm lamenting at my inability to record encrypted HD channels from my new Comcast HD DVR...don't mind me)

[03:24:29]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, unless they get lucky like the greater seattle area and get full firewire output?

[03:25:19]

Tanthrix:

Well, there's that, but that can be turned off quite easily at the discretion of the company.

[03:25:48]

Tanthrix:

And as far as I know they are not legally bound to do it for channels other than the local and regular OTA stuff.

[03:25:49]

** kormoc shrugs **

[03:25:57]

kormoc:

indeed that's true

[03:26:01]

Smirnov:

would you really want the shitty analog quality anyway?

[03:26:06]

kormoc:

but the fact that they are doing it is a good sign anyway

[03:26:17]

kormoc:

Smirnov, uhh... what are you talking bout?

[03:26:18]

Tanthrix:

No. I'm definately not advocating away from the switch.

[03:26:32]

Smirnov:

kormoc: uhh.. i get analog cable here in the university, and its shi

[03:26:32]

Tanthrix:

I'm just wishing we get some standards in place to make it more open.

[03:26:55]

kormoc:

Smirnov, and we're talking bout digital cable, so your comment made very little sense

[03:27:04]

Smirnov:

kormoc: no he just said he laments the switch from analog to digital

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kormoc:

Tanthrix, could write to the FCC

[03:27:19]

Tanthrix:

I think he just thought I was saying that I was against the switch to digital.

[03:27:21]

Smirnov:

kormoc: 10:19 pm central about 6 minutes ago

[03:27:27]

Tanthrix:

I phrased what I said wrong, my mistake.

[03:27:43]

kormoc:

Smirnov, actually, he just said he laments his inability to record digital HD... not that analog was better

[03:27:52]

** kormoc shrugs **

[03:28:04]

Tanthrix:

In any case, tomorrow I'm going to bring home a firewire cable from work and see what I can get to work.

[03:28:07]

Smirnov:

DRM is bullshit anyways, i cant believe its against the DMCA to circumvent it

[03:28:20]

Tanthrix:

I get the feeling that doing firewire stuff via mythtv is a bit shakey at times.

[03:28:34]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, it's stablized lately and has been rather nice

[03:28:50]

Smirnov:

i think im going to walk into motorola and ask them for a box without drm on it

[03:28:53]

Tanthrix:

Oh really? That's good to hear.

[03:29:07]

Tanthrix:

I thought a lot of it had to do with the specific box though, or is the firewire output standardized?

[03:29:42]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, there's a almost standard and most of the common boxes are supported with their little differences now

[03:29:54]

Tanthrix:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire (I was going by what I saw on that page, which isn't too bright)

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Tanthrix:

480i is such crap. I never really appreciated that before, but I do now.

[03:35:29]

d-c_64:

heya people, any chance someone could help with a small issue, mythttv has been working great, but now I dont see any recordings under 'watch recordings menu'... I tested it and recored a tv program and went to watch recordings and it was there, but as soon as the recording finished it was no longer viewable in the watch recordings menu, any help please?

[03:35:50]

Tanthrix:

That's odd.

[03:36:44]

Tanthrix:

Never ran into that myself, so not sure that I can help.

[03:37:11]

d-c_64:

I looked in /home/mythtv/tv and it seems like thier are planty of tv shows there, just not showing up in the frontend :/

[03:37:56]

Tanthrix:

kormoc: And it's not just the unopen firewire that's the problem – even if we had mandated open firewire ports we'd still be bound to use our crappy cable company provided DVR boxes.

[03:37:59]

kormoc:

d-c_64, you need to change the filter... there's a key.txt file that should tell you what keys to press

[03:38:18]

kormoc:

Tanthrix, only as a tuner... that's not really an issue in my mind

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Tanthrix:

kormoc: Mine is a complete POS despite being a decent, newer model. And I haven't heard from anyone else who actually likes their box.

[03:38:38]

Tanthrix:

What do you mean only as a tuner?

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d-c_64:

cheers kormoc , I have pressed 'm' while in the watch recordings menu and its set to show 'all programs'

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Solv:

hi, I'm having trouble getting mythfrontend to use realtime priorities. I have downloaded the realtime-lsm module and it's loaded and I have check the 'use realtime' option in mythfrontend, but it still gives me the message that I would need to be root to access realtime. What else do i need to do?

[03:41:33]

Solv:

i wouldn't be bothering except I'm getting jittery video..just enough to be annoying!

[03:42:17]

Tanthrix:

And you're sure that it's a CPU problem? (IE, during playback your CPU is decently high or topping out)

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Solv:

Tanthrix, no I haven't checked, how can i do both at the same time?

[03:45:25]

Solv:

would you just run a little cpu app and then run myth in a window or something

[03:45:43]

Tanthrix:

Solv: I'd login remotely from another computer via SSH and run "top" – are you able to do that?

[03:46:34]

Tanthrix:

Top is a program that shows you your memory / CPU usage, etc.. and is available by default on pretty much all linux distributions as far as I know.

[03:47:22]

Tanthrix:

If you can't do that just set myth to run in a window then open a terminal window, run top, play something and observe.

[03:50:11]

Solv:

yeah i can ssh in from this one to my mythbox

[03:51:24]

Tanthrix:

Different things can cause stuttery video, so I'd make sure that it is your CPU usage before you spend hours trying to get myth to run in realtime. (Can't you just run myth as root to do that anyway?)

[03:52:02]

Solv:

Tanthrix, yeah i did, and it seemed to run better...my problem is to get it to run as root on startup...i've set it up so the wife can just turn the computer on, wait and it is ready to go

[03:52:55]

Tanthrix:

I did that a while back – let me see if I can find the tuitorial I used.

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Solv:

thanks, top is reporting about 38% CPU use and is using 480meg of my 768 available

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Tanthrix:

But when you run it as root it is better?

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Tanthrix:

38 should be slow enough not to cause any problems.

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Tanthrix:

By the way, forgot to mention that you should actually run "top -d .3" or some other small number.

[03:56:04]

Solv:

woops

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Solv:

lostirc crashed

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Tanthrix:

By default it doesn't update enough to catch spikes.

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Solv:

that'd be nice....1080p...mmmmm

[03:57:23]

Solv:

it's max spike was 70

[03:58:31]

Tanthrix:

http://www.cs.rit.edu/~css8044/?q=autologin

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Solv:

as i was saying, the difference when running root is only noticeable to me...not to my wife....i have been reading up on changing pci latency values, but I didn't wanna spend hours configuring that if i could do it similarly

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Solv:

ooo

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Tanthrix:

I think I used that and set it to run as the user root instead of mythtv and it worked fine.

[03:58:54]

Tanthrix:

Was a long time ago so I don't remember exactly.

[03:59:51]

Tanthrix:

Should work, since it says init runs as root so it should be able to login as root.

[04:00:40]

Tanthrix:

I'm behind a NAT and pretty damned careful, so despite the dire warnings, I setup one of my frontend boxes to run as root just for the sake of simplicity.

[04:00:47]

JoeyJoeJo:

does anyone know what opengl improvements are planned for the frontend beyond the fading effect?

[04:00:52]

Solv:

only problem there is that if i wanna use it for other things after finishing with mythtv, i don't have a nice interface like gnome to use

[04:01:02]

JoeyJoeJo:

and are anymore opengl improvements in svn now?

[04:01:13]

Tanthrix:

Solv: What makes you say that?

[04:02:14]

Solv:

mingetty would be taking over from the login manager, and just running a basic X session with no desktop environment from what i can tell?

[04:02:21]

Tanthrix:

THe instructions on that site just run the usual startx command automatically so whatever WM you have setup will work as usual.

[04:02:41]

Solv:

ah...sorry...cool

[04:03:10]

Tanthrix:

So, basically, when I reboot my frontend it automatically logs in as root and starts X with blackbox (my window manager)

[04:03:20]

Tanthrix:

Then I have a script setup to start mythfrontend via the remote.

[04:03:58]

Solv:

sounds like a good setup

[04:04:11]

Tanthrix:

Assuming that I indeed used that guide ;-)

[04:04:47]

Tanthrix:

Nowadays I always document ALL of my steps in a simple text file when setting this stuff up.

[04:05:16]

Tanthrix:

Way too much of it to remember a few years later when you need to do it all over again, but unfortunately I wasn't doing that when I set up the autologin a while back.

[04:08:15]

SlicerDicer-:

does anybody know if there are any recievers that interface with mythtv?

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PaulWay[w]:

SlicerDicer-: Until someone makes an attempt to document the backend/frontend protocol, I don't imagine it happening any time soon.

[04:14:05]

PaulWay[w]:

The best you can hope for is a mythrename / network share solution.

[04:15:52]

Solv:

the jittering is just a dropped frame or two every 60 seconds...or when watching a camera panning slowly it is slightly jerky

[04:16:17]

Tanthrix:

Solv: What's mythtv telling you in the terminal window – anything? If not, try starting mythfrontend with verbose output enabled.

[04:16:18]

Solv:

but my cpu reads pretty much the same when running as root, and the problem is still there

[04:18:38]

EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

i wonder how my macbook would work with nuvexport/or dvd archive ha ha :)

[04:18:56]

EnterUserName:

if it would be quicker then a 3500..

[04:19:01]

SlicerDicer-:

PaulWay[w]: I was talking as in reciever like for home theater sound stuffs :)

[04:19:09]

SlicerDicer-:

PaulWay[w]: that might be able to talk to mythtv or mythtv talk to it

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Solv:

that's my output from the termainal for a couple of minutes

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EnterUserName:

brb

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Tanthrix:

I notice you've set your video timing to use opengl – any reason why in particular?

[04:21:21]

PaulWay[w]:

SlicerDicer-: what do you mean by 'talk': AC3 or DTS? IPTV?

[04:21:22]

Solv:

i have opengl and an nvidia card so i thought it would be better

[04:21:41]

Tanthrix:

It's not in some cases – have you tried not using it and seeing if that fixes the problem?

[04:21:42]

SlicerDicer-:

PaulWay[w]: where I can have a unified remote "keyboard" ;-)

[04:21:49]

SlicerDicer-:

PaulWay[w]: control volume etc

[04:22:29]

Tanthrix:

The only reason to use opengl vsync is if you've having tearing problems.

[04:23:04]

Tanthrix:

Run nvidia-settings then under "X Server Xvideo Settings" check the sync to vblank box and you will have accomplished the same thing.

[04:23:21]

Solv:

mmm...okay...and what about the xvmctex:failed, do i need to worry about that? i noticed i had quite a few options to choose from and not sure which one to use

[04:23:25]

PaulWay[w]:

If you're talking to a receiver, then you set the output from mythtv at the highest level that doesn't distort and then use the receiver to lessen the sound level.

[04:23:25]

SlicerDicer-:

Solv: you could try xvmc with the nvidia...

[04:23:27]

Tanthrix:

I think using GL timing is a bit more CPU intensive as well.

[04:23:30]

Solv:

in terms of mpeg2 playback

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PaulWay[w]:

That way you get maximum sound to noise ratio.

[04:23:43]

Solv:

standard od libmpeg2 etc etc

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Solv:

od = or

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Tanthrix:

Solv: Is your "Preferring MPEG2 Decoder" set to XvMC?

[04:24:14]

Solv:

Tanthrix, i'm pretty sure it is, as i recall finding that a little better

[04:24:17]

SlicerDicer-:

PaulWay[w]: I have optical outputs on my setup :) no worries of volume

[04:24:34]

SlicerDicer-:

PaulWay[w]: I was thinking more along the lines of rs232 controlling it

[04:24:51]

Tanthrix:

Solv: If you did, I think it's all in your head (Not an insult, happens to me all the time) since XvMC isn't working properly.

[04:25:07]

PaulWay[w]:

SlicerDicer-: I'm not sure what the problem is that you're trying to solve :-)

[04:25:19]

SlicerDicer-:

neither am I!

[04:25:21]

PaulWay[w]:

There is some kind of telnet command control interface.

[04:25:35]

PaulWay[w]:

I.e. telnet to some port and then issue commands.

[04:25:45]

PaulWay[w]:

Not sure what port, what format, etc.

[04:25:52]

Tanthrix:

I've been going crazy lately trying to figure out what's causing some alleged bluriness issues with my Comcast DVR and Westinghouse TV – I swear I'm losing my mind.

[04:26:15]

Solv:

Tanthrix, no offence taken....so you reckon just leave it on standard eh?

[04:26:19]

Tanthrix:

So hard to determine what's actually better sometimes without some kind of emperical metric.

[04:26:57]

Tanthrix:

Solv: Well, XvMC can be nice since it offloads your MPEG2 decoding to your GPU – saves a ton of CPU usage. Right now though yours isn't working from what I can tell, so having it enabled isn't doing anything anyway.

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SlicerDicer-:

PaulWay[w]: I was just wondering if there was a reciever that could be controlled by mythtv for power on/off, volume, switch inputs, set modes etc via rs232, firewire whatever to control it :)

[04:27:21]

Solv:

okay i have turned off opengl sync, and turned off the realtime option and switched back to standard...let's see what happens

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PaulWay[w]:

Ah, I see. You're thinking the reverse direction to what I was.

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

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Solv:

Tanthrix, well it'll be nice when it does work i guess the xvmc thing

[04:27:47]

PaulWay[w]:

SlicerDicer-: There probably is. Don't know of one – my tastes are quite a bit simpler.

[04:27:49]

Tanthrix:

Solv: Realtime is fine, you can leave that.

[04:27:53]

SlicerDicer-:

PaulWay[w]: reverse osmosis! sucking ideas through a permeable membrane FTW! ;-)

[04:28:20]

PaulWay[w]:

:-)

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Tanthrix:

Solv: Your issue could be an audio problem. Start mythfrontend in a terminal window then position it so you can see the window while the video is playing. See what, if anything, outputs right around the time you notice the stuttering.

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Solv:

okay thanx guys...you rock...i have to go and fix a samba problem at the office...back later

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Tanthrix:

Good luck.

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: xvmc not working?

[04:31:07]

** SlicerDicer- either has head problems or something funky **

[04:31:26]

Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Not me, Solv's. His output shows "XvMCWrapper: No such file or directory"

[04:31:37]

SlicerDicer-:

9594 user 15 0 387m 198m 118m S 16.0 9.9 17:26.47 mythfrontend

[04:31:45]

SlicerDicer-:

16% cpu with 1080p ;-)

[04:31:50]

banyan:

Both atrpms.net and ivtvdriver.org are inaccessible. I'm kinda wondering where to get saa7127.ko for my kernel...

[04:32:16]

Tanthrix:

Well, with MPEG2 sure. Let's see you try and run H264 or VC-1 at 1080P. ;-)

[04:32:32]

** SlicerDicer- has a heart attack while his computer goes nuclear and explodes **

[04:32:34]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

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banyan:

what's going on with those anyway? They off the same server?

[04:32:45]

Tanthrix:

hehe

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: I have as much possible hardware decoding as possible.. sound, video and hardware encoding with pvr350 and then firewire inputs for raw mpeg2 dumps

[04:33:37]

SlicerDicer-:

so my cpu is free to do fun things like comflag

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Tanthrix:

Hardware is the way to go, but I haven't bothered much with XvMC (partially because I've had trouble getting it working) since all my MPEG2 stuff runs fine without it.

[04:35:06]

SlicerDicer-:

really?

[04:35:12]

Tanthrix:

I just got Comcast digital cable with an HD dvr so tomorrow I'm going to grab a firewire cable from work and see if I can get it working.

[04:35:14]

banyan:

Actually, they're the same ip address, except one is .11 and the other is .29, Huh.

[04:35:14]

banyan:

anyway, there was supposedly some way of getting saa7127.ko without actually installing video4linux, which made my playback speed up a little.

[04:35:14]

banyan:

anyone know anything about that?

[04:35:19]

EnterUserName:

hey guys

[04:35:20]

Tanthrix:

I'm not hopeful to say the least.

[04:35:24]

EnterUserName:

im getting Result 11 when im trying to use cutlist

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EnterUserName:

with MythArchive

[04:35:40]

EnterUserName:

i googled but i only see someone else with the same problem

[04:35:42]

EnterUserName:

any suggestions?

[04:35:54]

Tanthrix:

EnterUserName: That's never a good sign. ;-)

[04:36:03]

EnterUserName:

lol I KNOw :)

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EnterUserName:

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EnterUserName:

Result: 11, Command was mythtranscode --mpeg2 --honorcutlist -c 1025 -s

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EnterUserName:

hrm...

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EnterUserName:

anyone know how to fix it here?

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: What cablebox are you getting your firewire out from?

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EnterUserName:

hrm maybe i should have used nuvexport..

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SlicerDicer-:

umm the dual tuner dvr box cause cableone sucks and forces me to have it

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SlicerDicer-:

6116 I think it is

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Tanthrix:

I've got a 3416. I'm crossing my fingers.

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EnterUserName:

does anyone use mythtranscode to cut commercials

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Captain_Murdoch:

EnterUserName: did you recently upgrade to qt v3.3.8?

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: that one works

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SlicerDicer-:

I had that one with comcast

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EnterUserName:

ya im using qt 3.3.8

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EnterUserName:

is that the problem?

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: you can check if 5C is enabled on channels and tell for sure its not hard if you have the box

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EnterUserName:

should i downgrade back? :S

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: if there is no 5C it will work :)

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EnterUserName:

Captain?

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achew22:

can track create a featurelist since a perticular revision?

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banyan:

I have a motorola hd cable box but the cable company is so paranoid of being hacked or ripped off or whatever that they disabled both the firewire and the serial port. luh-ame!

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achew22:

banyan, did they disable it on all channels and are you in the US?

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banyan:

I'm in Canada, on Shaw, and it just plain does not do anything.

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: How do I check individual channels 5C status?

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Or is that a whole thing? In the diaganostics page it says that it is disabled.

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achew22:

banyan, sorry then. The US mandates that all channels available OTA are availible unencrypted. You could file a FCC report if you were in the US but I don't know about Canada on this issue.

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EnterUserName:

Captain_Murdoch: If i upgraded the QT do i have to recompile mythtv?

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achew22:

banyan, do you have some equivilent to the federal trade comission?

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EnterUserName:

or should i revert back to 3.3.6?

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Gotta run for 10 min, I'll read your response when I get back.

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Tanthrix:

Back.

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banyan:

achew22: I don't think they'd care.

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achew22:

banyan, I was amazed when I wrote a letter about a stoplight being WAY too long in one direction and they changed it

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achew22:

banyan, someone reads them

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Captain_Murdoch:

EnterUserName: no, there is a bug in Qt 3.3.8 that causes crashes like that in apps that use MySQL w/ Qt.

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Captain_Murdoch:

been mentioned on the lists quite a bit

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Tanthrix:

achew22: You don't happen to live in Milwaukie, OR, do you? ;-) There was a light like that was being a real pain in the ass for months and they finally just fixed it.

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EnterUserName:

oh ok

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achew22:

Tanthrix, if it was me would you mail me a cookie?

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EnterUserName:

Captain: What has been mentioned?

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EnterUserName:

erk

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EnterUserName:

ok

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Tanthrix:

hehe

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EnterUserName:

Captain: OK. Serves me right for using a Masked gentoo

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EnterUserName:

package

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EnterUserName:

lol

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achew22:

Tanthrix, I live in Colorado... but... it was me — I swear

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EnterUserName:

going back to 3.3.6 :)

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achew22:

Tanthrix, I swear on Windows Vista that I fixed that light

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Tanthrix:

lol

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: If I go into the port status in the diaganostic menu it says "5c IMPLEMENTATION: NO ... COPY CONTROL: COPY FREE" – does that mean I'm good to go?

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Or is 5C something that is done by a channel by channel basis and I'm not checking the right place?

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SlicerDicer-:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

5C implementation 0 means good to go

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Tanthrix:

So does that mean I can get all of my digital SD and HD channels?

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SlicerDicer-:

be sure to check channels say below 100 then various movie channels if you have them like show, etc then pop over and check every last HD channel

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EnterUserName:

gthanx captain

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EnterUserName:

Reverting back to 3.3.6 fixed it

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Tanthrix:

Oh, so it is a channel by channel basis. And by changing channels then going back into the menu it will tell me?

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SlicerDicer-:

I have below 100 5C=0 above 100 5C=1 HDTV 5C=1 on HBO and 5C=0 on the others

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SlicerDicer-:

sure will Tanthrix

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SlicerDicer-:

I spent about a hour going through every last channel :)

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SlicerDicer-:

or every last channel I care about hehe

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: And you're sure it's under "Port Status" and not anywhere else?

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hjohnson:

we have 5c=1 on everything here.

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hjohnson:

it blows.

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SlicerDicer-:

let me look brb

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Thanks, I appreciate it.

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SlicerDicer-:

interface status

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SlicerDicer-:

then you will see 5C implementation = blah

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SlicerDicer-:

hjohnson: even OTA?

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: All I see is interface status, then on page 3 is the 1394 port page which says "5C Implementation: No"

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hjohnson:

SlicerDicer-: yeah, this is Canada, there are no rules, so the cable co just encrypts everything.

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: But I have two tuners, so I have a feeling that this is not the actual channel status.

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hjohnson:

most of the time the 1394 port is not present or disabled completely anyhow, or so I'm told.

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: no if it says 5C implentation 0

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SlicerDicer-:

2 tuners or not there is no 5C

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Tanthrix:

Well, I changed to DiscoveryHD Theater (705 here) and it still says "5C IMPLEMENTATION: NO"

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Tanthrix:

Nothing like 5C = 0, though under "Current Channel Status" I have DRM: 0x01" if that means anything.

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SlicerDicer-:

look under interface status

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SlicerDicer-:

by poweroff then press select

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SlicerDicer-:

scroll down to interface status

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SlicerDicer-:

this is a motorola box right?

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Tanthrix:

I'm doing that very thing. The first page shows all the individual ports and if they are enabled and if they are active.

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Tanthrix:

Yes.

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SlicerDicer-:

got a firewire cable?

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SlicerDicer-:

got a firewire port on computator?

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Tanthrix:

Then the next page is DVI/HDMI stuff, then the third page has what I just described.

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Tanthrix:

Not until tomorrow, going to grab one from work.

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banyan:

that's my favourite kind of tater!

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SlicerDicer-:

instal libiec68816 or whatever it is and run test-mpeg2 on the port :)

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banyan:

the computator.

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SlicerDicer-:

indeed

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Tanthrix:

I thought I had one but it's just a damned firewire to DV cable.

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Tanthrix:

So I think we must have different firmwares.

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

6pin to 6pin :)

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Tanthrix:

On the third page there is "1394 – Active Ports=0, Data Xmission Not Active, 5c Implementation No, Copy Control: Copy Free, Cycle Master Node, Yes, IRM Node, Yes, and a few other things.

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Tanthrix:

Last page is just a USB thing.

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** SlicerDicer- has done daisy chain, single box, single box with another box using firewire to change channels for my hauppauge :) I have done up to 3 boxes in daisychain **

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Tanthrix:

I'm on UHD now and it still says 5C Implementation: No.

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Tanthrix:

Wait a second – do I have to be hooked up for it to give me the correct information?

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Tanthrix:

(As in, plugged into my computer via firewire)

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Tanthrix:

Seems like since there isn't individual channel info about 5C status that the firewire port would have to be active and outputting a particular channel for it to properly report the status.

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Tanthrix:

You're the cable box expert though ;-)

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Tanthrix:

From what I can gather if you can setup one, let alone with 3 separate configs you are a certified expert ;)

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Tanthrix:

I guess I'll find out tomorrow night just how hard it actually is.

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Do you know what the "DRM: 0x0*" means in the current channel status?

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banyan:

Hey, does anyone else have the error I have when they boot up: ACPI: Invalid PBLK length [5]

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SlicerDicer-:

no idea Tanthrix

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SlicerDicer-:

Tanthrix: 5C Implementation = 0 means good to go

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Tanthrix:

I'll give it a try tomorrow when I grab my cable and I'll let you know how it goes.

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Tanthrix:

Thanks for your help, it's much appreciated.

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SlicerDicer-:

yep no worries Tanthrix

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EnterUserName:

hey

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EnterUserName:

anyone running MAC OSX with mythtv

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EnterUserName:

i cant connect to mysql.compressbianrys or wahtever..

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

why is it trying to download mysql

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EnterUserName:

i only want the frontend ..lol

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banyan:

any bluetooth keyboard / mouse users in here?

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

a mac os x mirror is broken :(

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pigeon:

banyan: i use a bt mouse with my laptop sometimes

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EnterUserName:

darn it

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EnterUserName:

whats in the ospackager what is it expecting

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banyan:

Do you use a special dongle or a generic bluetooth-to-usb dongle?

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EnterUserName:

a binary or a source?

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banyan:

by special dongle I mean a logitech thing that came with the mouse.

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banyan:

kinda thing.

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pigeon:

banyan: hmm with my laptop, no, as it has builtin bt, but i also have a usb bt dongle which i have used it with both my desktop and my another laptop (that has no builtin bt).

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banyan:

Is this with linux?

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pigeon:

yeah

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banyan:

I've got a logitech bluetooth keyboard /. mouse and I'm trying to get them to work with a generic dongle. I strongly suspect that they're functioning right now in that bios USB compatibility mode.

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pigeon:

hmm

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pigeon:

oh, they don't like each other?

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pigeon:

i actually haven't used my usb bt dongle with my bt mouse, i could try that later.

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banyan:

I can't make them pair with the kingston bt thing I have, but then again I don't know what I'm doing!

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pigeon:

i have used the usb bt dongle with a wii-mote and it works quite well.

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EnterUserName:

does anyone know if there's a way to use another mirrors

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EnterUserName:

for mysql package for os x?

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EnterUserName:

or if it will see your running ona mysql already

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EnterUserName:

so it will skip it?

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pigeon:

can't say i know much about pairing, all i did was running hidd --search and it finds the mouse and connects to it.

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banyan:

Hmm, I can give that a try.

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pigeon:

(that was laptop builtin bt + bt mouse, though)

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pigeon:

i saw something in /etc/default/bluetooth (under debian) to make hidd comes up by default but i haven't tried.

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banyan:

Do you also need a wired mouse while you're getting all this going?

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pigeon:

no

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pigeon:

no wired mouse involved.

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banyan:

oh, sorry I meant wired keyboard.

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pigeon:

on my laptop, no...

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banyan:

If the keyboard doesn't come up automatically I won't have one.

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banyan:

it's bt as well.

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pigeon:

ah, right

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banyan:

does your mouse have a 'connect' button kinda thing?

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pigeon:

yes

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banyan:

do you have to press it while you do the hidd --search thing?

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pigeon:

i have to press that before hidd will find it

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pigeon:

i usually press it before i start hidd

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banyan:

It does seem kinda complex. You know, on a mac osx, it's sickeningly easy.

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banyan:

and since that's like free-bsd under the hood, you'd think that the same tools would be available under linux.

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pigeon:

heh

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banyan:

but not-so-much.

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pigeon:

agreed. maybe there's some frontend to it, or under gnome or kde, which i don't use, so i don't know...

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banyan:

do you use x at all?

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pigeon:

yeah

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banyan:

what window manager do you use?

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pigeon:

X + window manager, which is fluxbox atm

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banyan:

ah, nice and lean.

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EnterUserName:

lame i had to edit the script myself lol

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banyan:

I used that on an old boat anchor.

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pigeon:

yeah, i used to be a die hard afterstep person, until when they released 2.0, which, for reasons i switched to fluxbox, instead of trying afterstep2.

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banyan:

I don't know from afterstep

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banyan:

to me, I just want good access to the apps and some decent config tools.

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juski:

morning

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pigeon:

is there any chance i could hide the osd when pausing during a playback?

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Dagmar:

Rewrite the theme

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gardengnome:

doesn't the OSD disappear after a few seconds?

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Solv:

exit

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Solv:

hehe

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Solv:

woops....wrong window

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Dagmar:

Rewrite the theme

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tank-man:

pigeon, press esc

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pigeon:

tank-man: oh cool, thanks heaps...

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pigeon:

very nice

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juski:

yeah the osd gets in the way when you're looking for spider's legs in zoom mode

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ivor:

juski: spiders legs?

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Dagmar:

I wasn't even going to ask

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Solv:

k i searched the mythtv forums for this, and it seems there is still no built in solution to playing divx files off a cd...is that right?

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Solv:

kinda woulda hoped it would be integrated into the dvd section

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disputin:

I play xvid avi files from a data dvd all the time..

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disputin:

added the path for the dvd player to my "videos" section, then I have to let the video manager rediscover the changes and it works.

[11:50:17]

visi:

nice hack :D

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juski:

maybe the mythtv devs don't want to be seen as encouraging piracy

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visi:

hm playing divx -> piracy? logical conclusion

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cecil:

visi: with a heavy handed entertainment industry, yes

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gardengnome:

heh

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gardengnome:

gotta love 'em: " I did a trunk build about 3 days ago and noticed some problems." ... " yes I am fairly new to Linux. "

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gardengnome:

some guy on the -dev ML

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juski:

I've lost count of how many times I've broken UK copyright laws converting my cds to other formats

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juski:

I've been noticing problems for well over 2 years. some users really suck

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juski:

another poster on the dev list saying he's never seen an overscan-safe theme. idiots

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Dagmar:

Well, several of them aren't, but it definitely wouldn't be correct to say there are none.

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juski:

I know at least two that definitely aren't ;)

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** cecil couldn't be the only one to hhave discovered if you enable media monitor and instead a 'mpeg 4' disc that it will lanuch mythgallery. mythgallery can launch mplayer (default) to play an video file.... **

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cecil:

s/instead/insert

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cecil:

later folks

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juski:

later cecil

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janneg:

juski: maybe he looked only at his own misdesigned theme. that would make his statement true and useless

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Dagmar:

Well, I *did* put some cheatsheets up on the wiki for that sort of fing

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juski:

like working out 800x600 -5% each way is HARD

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** juski wonders if he has the balls to raise a ticket to get safe areas implemented in the setup menus **

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gardengnome:

that'd be nice.

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Dagmar:

You could probably patch it faster

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Dagmar:

juski: The cheatsheets are handy when you're doing your mockups with Gimp or Inkscape

[13:20:07]

juski:

Dagmar: how quick it is to patch remains to be seen

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juski:

having had a quick think about it though, it might only be a 5 minute thing

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juski:

prolly a 'get UIsize' grab in there somewhere so in theory all it'd need is a 'get UIsize -5/10/15%' change :)

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Dagmar:

Actually, I was under the impression building a Qt panel had a lot in common with packing Gtk+ widgets

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Dagmar:

...which means there's likely a padding value that can be applied to the widget that is the whole screen that you're packing everything else into.

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juski:

sounds sensible

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mono:

hi guys – anonyone using a hauppauge usb pvr 2?

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LabMonkey:

anyone been having problems with datadirect not updating TBA shows lately?

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anykey_:

Is there a way to capture DD 5.1 sound with a PVR-500 card?

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kslater:

anykey_: don't think so

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kslater:

what input would you feed it that has DD 5.1 sound in the stream?

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anykey_:

I know, maybe there is some addon card that is supported by myth...

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anykey_:

but then I'd need to remux the TS stream that comes from the PVR

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kslater:

I'm just wondering what you are recording with that card that has DD 5.1 sound in it?

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kslater:

I know that the HD capture devices will make recordings with DD 5.1 in them.

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anykey_:

I have an STB that has an S/PDIF output and a SCART output

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kslater:

but that's in the source material to begin with. Myth just schedules it to record.

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anykey_:

so I capture with S-Video with the PVR

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anykey_:

but I have no way to capture the S/PDIF

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kslater:

svideo is a video signal only

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anykey_:

I know

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anykey_:

I know that I *cant* capture 5.1 with the PVR

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anykey_:

but I wondered how others solve that problem...

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kslater:

oh, misunderstood you

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kslater:

your original q was is there a way to capture DD 5.1 with a PVR 500, right?

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Dagmar:

Have the box output 2.0

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anykey_:

hm no way then?

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Dagmar:

Nope

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anykey_:

:|

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niter3:

I currently have a mythtv boxed built as a server/frontend with one encoder card. I was wondering, if I built a client frontend and I want to watch TV from the new frontend, does the other system's frontend have to be NOT loaded?

[14:01:21]

Dagmar:

Nope

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Dagmar:

You can have as many frontends as you like

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anykey_:

and if they bring an STB with digital video output they'll encrypt it, argh

[14:01:32]

Dagmar:

Well, "within reason" that ois

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niter3:

Dagmar: and loaded?

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Dagmar:

What do you mean "loaded"

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niter3:

Have the frontend actually loaded up.

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kslater:

you mean running

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Dagmar:

niter3: Read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

[14:02:13]

niter3:

yes, but not actually watching tv

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Dagmar:

It will help you avoid this kind of confusion.

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kslater:

very little load for the frontend sitting at a menu

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niter3:

ok i'll read

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niter3:

ok so let me get this straight. I can actually have both frontends loaded, but I can only watch actual TV on one of them because I only have one encoder. Is this correct?

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kslater:

not totally

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niter3:

So one machine has the frontend loaded but idle in the menus, and the other computer's frontend actually watching TV. will this work?

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kslater:

if you were watching live tv, you could only get that on one frontend at a time

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niter3:

Or will it cause a problem

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kslater:

each frontend can watch whatever recorded content they like

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niter3:

yes livetv.. I can't have on frontend idle in the menu, and the other frontend watching livetv and switch between them?

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kslater:

even the same recording that is in progress

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Dagmar:

ni

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Dagmar:

So forget about it being "Live"

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niter3:

ok I have setup MythTV on XMBC. I have everything working except when it goes to watch livetv it will states it's basically starting to cache it then it does nothing.

[14:11:38]

Dagmar:

t0ny-p40: no, that's yet another jackhole throwing spurious keywords into his auction listing

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ubuntuEdgy:

any one know that this is <alphapulse min=

[14:13:26]

ubuntuEdgy:

got it from a theme

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Dagmar:

You can if you have one of those Toshiba's with the extra large docking station that has it's own full-sized PCI buses

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Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: It's an XML element

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh what dose it do thou

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Dagmar:

Stuff.

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Dagmar:

...and it does it badly, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

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ubuntuEdgy:

i want to create a eye candy theme with lots of animations but i don't understand what is supported

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ubuntuEdgy:

im mythtv

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Dagmar:

Well, I can save you a lot of trouble.

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Dagmar:

There are no animations.

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok, any other way to do it ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

there must be some ,they don't have to be state of the art.

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gardengnome:

mepo-wide has animations ;)

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** gardengnome hides **

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ubuntuEdgy:

i know

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ubuntuEdgy:

but they are only for png files

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juski:

hard work to create original flipbook cartoon guys with antennas up their jacksies from scratch

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juski:

which is why i've never bothered

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ubuntuEdgy:

not really

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ubuntuEdgy:

lol

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juski:

so yeah ubuntuEdgy you're right there is NO animation in the UI

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juski:

there's the (cough) fade but it's hardly awe-inspiring

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ubuntuEdgy:

fade ? is it im mepo to ?

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: yeah – although it's not hard to make individual images from a video, it's damn hard doing character animation

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ubuntuEdgy:

i like fade i will use it ?

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juski:

the fade isn

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juski:

the fade isn't theme dependent

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juski:

nor can it be controlled by the theme

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juski:

it's enabled by default if you use the opengl painter

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juski:

believe me, if there was a sniff of movement possible, my themes would already be making use of it

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ubuntuEdgy:

the osd of the theme im doing look really really good, i like it :)

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juski:

says you :-P

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ubuntuEdgy:

screen shots ?

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juski:

remember the overscan rule, and try not to use oversaturated colours – they can look bad on CRT TVs

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ubuntuEdgy:

i could do with some feedback

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juski:

yeah go on

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juski:

I'm in a good mood

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gardengnome:

liar. ;)

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kslater:

seemingly :-)

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ubuntuEdgy:

you going to be disappointed about CRT TV support

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juski:

hey if you wanna limit your user base that's fine by me!

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Dagmar:

Nothing below 16,16,16 and nothing over 235,235,235

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juski:

shocking news for ya anyway – even some plasma & LCD TVs overscan

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Dagmar:

Although there are differing opinions about what exactly results in 7.5 IRE

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Dagmar:

Gimp has a very simple filter for adjusting the limits of the colors

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ubuntuEdgy:

im going to start with the main menu of the theme "its a mod" theme and don't worry about the legal/ethical side of this i have that sorted. http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9199/screenshottq3.png

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** juski tries to think of a kind way to say "blech" **

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ubuntuEdgy:

common guys more feedback ?

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jams:

using minimalist as the base?

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gardengnome:

the blue looks a bit cheap, it doesn't match the grey of the icons.

[14:29:55]

gardengnome:

the icons look a bit squished, too.

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kslater:

hard to say from a single screenshot

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juski:

by big beef with it is the lack of an overall _style_

[14:30:22]

juski:

looks like a mish-mash to me

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jams:

without seeing more, all I can say is that the horizontal menu themes are a royal pain to work with.

[14:31:12]

gardengnome:

what does the big green arrow do?

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Dagmar:

Drop shadows should face a consistent direction or not be used

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ubuntuEdgy:

i haven't finished it, you see the tv icon and dvd ?

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jams:

gardengnome- it's to show there are more menu items on the next page

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gardengnome:

ah

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juski:

the dvd icon looks like a sphere

[14:31:41]

gardengnome:

well, it's.. big.

[14:32:04]

juski:

the tv icon looks like a sphere

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Dagmar:

I *strongly* recommend at least doing the work at a resolution of 640x480 if you intend to have these things viewed on a CRT

[14:32:24]

juski:

you really have to look close to see what the icons are – thereby defeating the object of having icons

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, 800x600

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jams:

it's because of the way myth handles multiple menu pages that make horizonal themes difficult to work with

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jams:

working on midnight and minimalist taught me that

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juski:

yeah I wanted to make a horizontal scrolling theme, but it's just impossible

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski: great point , best i have heard imho

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Dagmar:

"difficult to work with" == impossible

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ubuntuEdgy:

this is what this is thou right ?

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juski:

the whole idea of icons is supposed to be a pictorial representation of something so you know what it is immediately

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jams:

juski- yeah geckofiend dropped the ball on that one. Always said he was going to fix it, but it's not a simple fix and then he left

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Dagmar:

Even some of the elements for vertical layout don't do what they're supposed to do

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Dagmar:

God only knows what balancecolumns is *really* doing

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ubuntuEdgy:

could you guys give me a sec i had another idea with the icon thing

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juski:

I'm going home now, see yas

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ubuntuEdgy:

i cant even take a screenshot of the osd wired

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gardengnome:

ubuntuEdgy: does it come out all blue?

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Dagmar:

You won't be able to until you tell it to disable xshm I think

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Dagmar:

Pretty sure you have to be using the plain xv output, or you can't do screengrabs

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Dagmar:

...meaning no xvmc

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ubuntuEdgy:

gardengnome:it dose not come out at all mate

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: xv won't work either, at least the video will be blue.

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gardengnome:

start it like NO_XV=1 mythfrontend

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Dagmar:

Okay, I knew it was something you had to disable to make it go as slowly as possible, I just couldn't remember what

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ubuntuEdgy:

screen shot cumming up,

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ubuntuEdgy:

now image shack wont upload :-[:)

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ubuntuEdgy:

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9183/screenshot2io4.png

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Dagmar:

Well...

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Dagmar:

That's rather nightmarish

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Dagmar:

...and again, if you work on this stuff in that high of a resolution, you will have no idea whether or not your fonts will be readable on a CRT

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ubuntuEdgy:

you telling me

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Dagmar:

Your DPI is very much *not* 100x100 there

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gardengnome:

ubuntuEdgy: does the "press red for more" still belong to the OSD?

[14:48:40]

ubuntuEdgy:

nah gnome

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ubuntuEdgy:

buti dont want to loos the nice eye candy

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jams:

ubuntuEdgy- you have screenshots showing the program description?

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gardengnome:

ubuntuEdgy: i like the shpe of the OSD, it's nice.

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gardengnome:

shape*

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ubuntuEdgy:

jams: i will post that for you now

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ubuntuEdgy:

its pretty much the same

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ubuntuEdgy:

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4846/screenshot3zw4.png

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jams:

i like the osd. But I think you might run into problems with long descriptions

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jams:

also do you plan on supporting channel icons in the osd?

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ubuntuEdgy:

it all works

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jams:

ubuntuEdgy- if you make the osd available for download I would give it a whirl

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have had longer descriptions on the osd ;)

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jams:

heh

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fryfrog:

anyone doing QAM HDTV?

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Ruleke:

yes

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Ruleke:

sortof

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ubuntuEdgy:

"But I think you might run into problems with long descriptions" long descriptions work i have tested them

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fryfrog:

how sort of?

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ubuntuEdgy:

what you mean by whirl,

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Ruleke:

right now I only receive 1 channel

[15:01:00]

Ruleke:

:)

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fryfrog:

oh, ehhe

[15:01:08]

jams:

ubuntuEdgy- I would try it on my mythbox

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fryfrog:

i am in the process of going through like 200 channels by hand :(

[15:01:13]

ubuntuEdgy:

jams, want to help me make the best skin to ever grace mythtv ?

[15:01:19]

fryfrog:

where only about 1 in 10 works

[15:01:21]

Ruleke:

they changed the encryption, I think I need a new CAM

[15:01:32]

fryfrog:

ah

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jams:

ubuntuEdgy- I already have made the best theme =)

[15:01:47]

fryfrog:

i think comcast re-arranged where channels were :(

[15:01:57]

Ruleke:

that's what happened last week

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Ruleke:

or the week before

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Ruleke:

but for the better here :)

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fryfrog:

ah

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ubuntuEdgy:

jams: where can i download it ?

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Ruleke:

hometime

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** ivor thinks a nice clean theme to match his PS3 would be just the ticket.... **

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ivor:

:)

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jams:

ubuntuEdgy- it's at jmeyer.us

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jams:

hey ivor

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ivor:

howdy jams

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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Dagmar:

Hmm...

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jams:

ubuntuEdgy- I might lend a hand, but i'm fairly busy working on other stuff

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Dagmar:

Wouldn't that involve including a menu theme that disables half the menu items, and change the program schedule to only collect data on 14 channels?

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ivor:

jams: both. but it's completely wiped out my productivity at the moment and I've done nothing but play motorstorm.

[15:06:07]

jams:

hehe

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gardengnome:

jams: Log directory is not writable – please CHMOD e107_plugins/log/logs to 777

[15:06:15]

ubuntuEdgy:

nice theme jams

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jams:

gardengnome- where at?

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gardengnome:

jams: header of your site

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jams:

really? I don't see that

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jams:

let me dump the cache

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** ivor goes to confirm.... yup I see that at the top too. **

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gardengnome:

jams: it's above the date

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ivor:

says "../../e107_plugins/log/logs"

[15:07:49]

jams:

interesting

[15:07:55]

jams:

firefox shows it, opera does not

[15:08:09]

jams:

well thats a simple fix =)

[15:08:38]

gardengnome:

jams: you need to bribe juski into becoming the official theme manager and have him maintain your themes in svn ;)

[15:09:00]

jams:

eh

[15:09:05]

jams:

really don't care anymore

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jams:

chutt said he was going to work with me on that, but it never happened and I never brought it up again

[15:10:18]

ivor:

jams... you have to pester for these things.

[15:10:43]

ivor:

it's a general problem with people being too busy, it's usually nothing personal.

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jams:

ivor- true, but if i'm going to pester it will be for something a bit more significant

[15:11:26]

jams:

ok that logs error is fixed.

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ubuntuEdgy:

yep fixed O:-)

[15:12:42]

jams:

gardengnome- what do you think about the name "mythvantage"

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gardengnome:

jams: sounds nifty :)

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jams:

gardengnome- thats in regards to the app/distro i'm working on

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Dagmar:

But what about "mythtake" and "mythconception"

[15:13:33]

gardengnome:

"mythtastic"? ;)

[15:13:43]

jams:

heh no thank you

[15:13:45]

gardengnome:

heh

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Dagmar:

"mythellaneous"

[15:13:51]

gardengnome:

Dagmar: you need a mythtress

[15:13:56]

Dagmar:

I have one

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gardengnome:

heh

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Dagmar:

mythinderstanding!

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jams:

i see

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Dagmar:

I'll be damned if I'm going to set myself up for emails from people wanting to know how to apply the patch I wrote

[15:17:51]

Dagmar:

Someone will catch me at a bad time with their nearly indecipherable email, and my answer will be "you get an adult to help you" and folks will complain

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directhex|work:

i'm confused by changeset 12855. where is updateBackground defined, and how is it related to ticket 3068?

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, i like "remyth" for things, but "mythnomer" is very good

[15:19:46]

directhex|work:

"mythtic"?

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ivor:

lol

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok guys some one made a great point about icons ,here's my reply http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9206/musicew6.png

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juski:

lose the text & you're almost there

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gardengnome:

looks much better.

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gardengnome:

you're making progress :))

[15:30:32]

ubuntuEdgy:

no text at all juski

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ubuntuEdgy:

?

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juski:

are you having textual menu items? if so, lose the icon text

[15:31:08]

juski:

think of other languages too ;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh what i thought exactly gnome

[15:31:47]

Dagmar:

Oh to heck with those people

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juski:

maybe the text would work better if it was under the highlight, but I still think no text would be better

[15:32:02]

ubuntuEdgy:

those peaple ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

people*

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directhex|work:

foreigners!

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juski:

those non-English speakers he means ;)

[15:32:28]

juski:

make them binary to put the noobs off :-P

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gardengnome:

heh

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Dagmar:

English speakers invented TV

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ubuntuEdgy:

noob my self bro

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: wanna maintain some 4:3 themes?

[15:33:41]

ubuntuEdgy:

i can try but ,remember im a noob to all this

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juski:

this isn't good – I'm feeling pangs of guilt about my announcement now. And I was careful to do it on a *good* day

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ubuntuEdgy:

smart noob;)

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ivor:

juski: announcement?

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ivor:

you're pregnant?

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juski:

I was a noob at themeing once – seen projectgrayhem?

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juski:

ivor: my 4:3 themes will no longer be developed

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ubuntuEdgy:

wow you done that ?

[15:34:27]

ivor:

ah.

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: www.juski.co.uk, FYI

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jams:

juski- felt the same way about midnight

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directhex|work:

i've fallen for the MePo theme. t'is cute!

[15:35:41]

juski:

it'll be a nightmare when the new UI theme stuff cuts in, whenever that's gonna be...

[15:35:43]

jams:

well I said I would apply patches, but so far nobody has submitted a patch

[15:36:11]

juski:

I don't like MePo-wide, but I fully appreciate all the work that went into it

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ubuntuEdgy:

veryl nice juski ?

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** ivor shakes his head at directhex|work **

[15:36:54]

juski:

too many colours going on, and by borrowing someone else's cartoon character, instantly made other themes look non-cute

[15:36:57]

ubuntuEdgy:

is there any one making plug-ins for mythtv i think it can really do with some

[15:37:11]

Dagmar:

wtf

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ivor:

ubuntuEdgy: er, rather a lot.

[15:37:26]

Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: How about you look in the mythplugins package

[15:37:36]

jams:

heh my wife hated that cartoon

[15:37:53]

juski:

I had an idea about plugins last night – those perl bindings are gonna transform the whole lot eventually as well as make it much easier to make stuff in the first place

[15:37:59]

Dagmar:

That's a real character from someone else's work?

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juski:

Dagmar: yeah... a MediaPortal skin

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Dagmar:

OH YES PLEASE GIVE ME PERL BINDINGS FOR THE GRAPHICAL ELEMENTS

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ubuntuEdgy:

i woudl like to be able to watch ip tv with mythtv

[15:38:42]

Dagmar:

I'll rewrite the entire damn everything

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juski:

if we ever get hooks into the UI & player API... oh man

[15:38:56]

** jams kicks dirt at perl **

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juski:

well, perl/python/whatever...

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** Dagmar pours gasoline on an anthill, lights it, and then kicks it at jams **

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directhex|work:

juski, characters are cute. even tivo's little smiley tv has some anthropomorphism.

[15:41:10]

Dagmar:

heh like enough tthat I'd be nervous of courier-delivered letters if i were that guy

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: leave the text for buttons to mythtv itself

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directhex|work:

juski, the solution is coming up with something cute for myth!

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ivor:

or not bother and jsut have something really clean, plain and elegant?

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Dagmar:

www.cuteoverload.com theme

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski:exactly what i was going to do.

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juski:

directhex|work: what I know about using 3d character animations was enough to let me craft a breakdancing skeleton using a model & a motion file I found on the net

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praet:

is there animation support in myth menus?

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directhex|work:

looks that way. some of MePo-wide is animated

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directhex|work:

a bit

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juski:

praet: only as far as the (lame IMHO) fade & a flipbook png animator

[15:43:38]

juski:

no smooth scrolling, no zooming, no fading, some pulsing (blech)

[15:43:41]

niter3:

the one thing that pisses me off with myth is the fact of suspending and coming back up on it's own

[15:43:45]

niter3:

Never been able to get this to work

[15:43:56]

juski:

niter3: that's hardly mythtv's fault

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juski:

suspend/resume in linux can be _tricky_

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juski:

and distros which deny users root access by default don't make life any easier

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Dagmar:

heh

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directhex|work:

i've been having horrible not-recording-anything problems on one my my tv cards, which is getting annoying

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niter3:

juski: yah.. I've been able to get hibernating on linux working in the passed, but I always had to iniate the script to bring the box down. Also, I never had a way of bring the box back up on it's own which mythtv should do. Which means prblems

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juski:

directhex|work: again, not necessarily anything to do with mythtv

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directhex|work:

juski, indeed. being in a poor reception area doesn't help

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Dagmar:

No, myth should not be responsible for providing you with that

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juski:

niter3: no, mythtv isn't a nursemaid

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Dagmar:

That is an operating-system level thing, and it requires you know what you're doing.

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directhex|work:

juski, can i blame myth if the backend keeps going down without warning, or if the frontend crashes when using mythmusic?

[15:46:21]

juski:

mythtv is fully capable of setting a wakeup time & passing it to a suitable program to set it into your BIOS

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juski:

directhex|work: maybe, but then you have to look at why it's going down ;)

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Dagmar:

Mine never goes down

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niter3:

juski: Yes which I've heard you can kill your cmos by writing to the RTC of the bios

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Dagmar:

niter3: Stop listening to what the vagrants at the bus stop mutter

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directhex|work:

juski, yeah, i know. i should work out a proper way of debugging it. and restartd isn't doing the job i want it to do either

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juski:

niter3: not if you know what you're doing – esp which kind of BIOS you have

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niter3:

What is the classic.

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niter3:

:)

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niter3:

name sopme names, i can't remember right now

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juski:

my backend sometimes falls over, but I'm starting to think it only happens when the box is overloaded – like when I'm compiling minimyth or doing a (not niced enough) script

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niter3:

I know wake up is there, but here's the issue. I couldn't get the kernel loaded to see the section in /proc

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juski:

niter3: that has absolutely FA to do with mythtv :)

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Dagmar:

The kernel doesn't need to see /proc for one thing.

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niter3:

Dagmar: explain could you..

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juski:

am I always gonna find it funny how many things people blame mythtv for? ;)

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ivor:

global warming for one.

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Dagmar:

The kernel does not need to see /proc. The kernel presents /proc to the *user* so they have an easy interface to some of the kernel functions.

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directhex|work:

juski, i lost one of my dvds after i tried ripping it in myth!

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juski:

ivor: hahaha, well mythtv IS indirectly responsible for that

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niter3:

Dagmar: Well where are you suppose to write the time too then?

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Dagmar:

That's for you to figure out.

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Dagmar:

...and is where magical things like search engines and HOWTOs come into play.

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Dagmar:

I've seen 'em, and read 'em.

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juski:

timed shutdown & wakeup is something I want to look into and I know I'll have to do some tweaking so it's not so keen on fscking every blimmin time or whatever

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Dagmar:

juski: Actually, waking up clears it

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Dagmar:

One of my boxes writes to it every fifteen minutes because the UPS isn't very bright

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juski:

I dunno if doing a suspend will save me enough power to make it worthwhile – not on this setup

[15:52:22]

Dagmar:

...it needs a certain amount of power in the UPS before it tries to start back up, so if there's a powerfail event, it'll be about a half hour before it will wake itself up, if there's power

[15:52:46]

juski:

still dipping in & out of finding a really good howto for sending disks to sleep

[15:52:48]

ivor:

juski: just leave it on all the time and turn your heating down.

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psofa:

after a year of continuous uptime my mythbox's fans are starting to deteriorate :P

[15:53:06]

juski:

ivor: the rad in here is never turned on

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Dagmar:

juski: hdparm is all you really need there, but just changing your mounts to noatime helps

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski:i will maintain those themes if you want :-D

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juski:

that's something else I should really do eventually too – get those bloody mount options understood

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, any access of the filesystem eventually becomes a disk write

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juski:

ahh!

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Dagmar:

It's minor crap, but it's enough to wake up a sleeping disk

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psofa:

juski, i think you set with hdparm the timer for sleep.The hard part is to stop all these apps from writing to it

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Dagmar:

This is why i've been so keen on having /usr mounted read-only

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juski:

how come I've never come across a plain english description of that then? ;)

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Dagmar:

lol

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psofa:

juski, laptop_mode tools could be used

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Dagmar:

Look for howtos relating to conserving energy on laptops

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juski:

the last guide I found went off on a major tangent about how the damn fs works. I didn't want that

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directhex|work:

reckon switching to on-demand card opening would help with my misbehaving tv card?

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juski:

directhex|work: maybe

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directhex|work:

i'm slightly bemused that supposedly one of the best supported cards on linux just doesn't want to play nice a lot of the time

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Dagmar:

directx: And you are using what distro?

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, ubuntu 6.06

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Dagmar:

...and what motherboard?

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directhex|work:

asus p5wdg2ws

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Dagmar:

VIA chipset.

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Dagmar:

Dingdingding

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directhex|work:

intel

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juski:

OMG! the little train who tried & tried & tried & tried and TRIED! http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/261835

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juski:

set a bad precedent there I reckon

[15:57:46]

Dagmar:

So you're using a PVR-500 with the 0.10.x driver then, and you have problems?

[15:57:58]

juski:

so now mythtv is money-led :( :( :(

[15:58:19]

Dagmar:

More like MythTV is being used as a front for a scam

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ivor:

I dont see anything wrong with that as long as it's open and clear what's going on.

[15:58:56]

juski:

start of a slippery slope IMHO

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Dagmar:

They seem to be saying "pay us $6000 and we'll start working on it

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, i'm using a technotrend t-1500.

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gardengnome:

juski: no. people want something, they pay for it. if a dev wants to do it for free, that's great.

[15:59:15]

Dagmar:

"us" not _currently_ being MythTV developers

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Dagmar:

This is shady as hell

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Dagmar:

directx: I've never even heard of that card so I don't see quite how it's that well supported

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juski:

Dagmar: dvb-t tuner AFAIK

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janneg:

Dagmar: Daniel and I as mythtv developers will work on it

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Dagmar:

Ah, okay, I see where the legitimacy of that offer comes from now

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janneg:

and gnome42 as non developer

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juski:

so if the previous pledgebank thing scrapped now?

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juski:

s/if/is

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directhex|work:

Dagmar, it was recommended by the linuxtv lot as the best supported SAA7146 DVB-T card, and SAA7146 as the best supported chipset

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juski:

directhex|work: are you using EIT ?

[16:01:55]

directhex|work:

juski, yes

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Dagmar:

directx: Good for them. People in here would probably have had a different recommendation

[16:02:04]

juski:

directhex|work: any more reliable if you don't use EIT?

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directhex|work:

juski, haven't tried.

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juski:

try it – you might like it :)

[16:03:05]

directhex|work:

juski, i've been using EIT with my other cards for a while without issues. other than shoddy reception, but that's a symptom of where i live

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juski:

directhex|work: you using an amplified splitter?

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directhex|work:

juski, yes

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juski:

shoddy reception is known to cause backend issues isn't it?

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janneg:

juski: let's see if all the pledgebank people really do that they have promised

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directhex|work:

juski, with some cards, yeah

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juski:

my only hope with the precedent that the pledge thing has set is that other developers don't get cheesed off & go do something else instead

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directhex|work:

right, i'm off

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ivor:

juski: I think it will be an interesting experiment.

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ivor:

I think it would be good to see more "corporate" sponsorship to fund development though.

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juski:

brings interesting questions to mind – like if you had to pay for mythtv how much would you be willing to shell out...

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ubuntuEdgy:

Dagmar:not every one is as nolageble as you ,and by the way i did read that dev guide, it told me to use gimp. it also was not very specific.

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ubuntuEdgy:

knowledgeable *

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gardengnome:

thanks

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gardengnome:

i was just gonna say ;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

i got to slow down on my typing

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Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: You seem to forget that I am the one guy who can be counted on to call people out when they lie about having read something

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Dagmar:

Bounding boxes are explained no less than three times on that page.

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ubuntuEdgy:

especially having a wireless keyboard

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Dagmar:

So don't give me that "not everyone is as nolageble as you" crap

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ubuntuEdgy:

Dagmar:i can post it for you man

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ubuntuEdgy:

honest to god

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Dagmar:

What? Post that you didn't read?

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ubuntuEdgy:

i can post what i read it didnt make any senc at all

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ubuntuEdgy:

sense*

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Dagmar:

Then you're looking at the wrong page somehow

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_development_guide

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Dagmar:

If you can't handle the x,y co-ordinate system, you must be like 11 years old or something

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a1fa:

hi

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a1fa:

any news on apple tv mythfrontend hax?

[16:48:01]

Dagmar:

Nope

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a1fa:

liar

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a1fa:

they allready got mac os x on that thing

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a1fa:

i cant believe no body ported mythfronted for osx

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gardengnome:

rotfl

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mono:

:)

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Dagmar:

We need "NO APPLETV PORTS" in the topic

[16:49:05]

Dagmar:

s/PORTS/QUERIES/;

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a1fa:

kneega

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a1fa:

liar

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a1fa:

i know someone has it

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a1fa:

;P

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Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: Frankly, that sounds even more like you can't find your butt with both hands.

[16:49:37]

a1fa:

i need a nice frontend

[16:49:41]

a1fa:

xbox is the shit

[16:49:46]

Dagmar:

ubuntuEdgy: If you want to know where something is, USE GIMP.

[16:49:46]

ubuntuEdgy:

i could be doing some thing , but i have to argue here first :(

[16:50:00]

Dagmar:

The lower left corner of the canvas has the current x,y coordinate of the cursor listed

[16:50:06]

Dagmar:

This is WHY it recommended using Gimp

[16:51:03]

Dagmar:

alfa: So spend some money, buy an AppleTV and install Myth on it.

[16:51:10]

ubuntuEdgy:

Fair enough

[16:51:24]

a1fa:

Dagmar : i will

[16:51:27]

a1fa:

whats your problem

[16:51:35]

Dagmar:

alfa: I don't have one

[16:51:35]

a1fa:

$150 frontend with 40gb hd?

[16:51:43]

a1fa:

why not run mythtv on it

[16:51:44]

a1fa:

you fool

[16:51:45]

Dagmar:

Since when are they $150?

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gardengnome:

since when is there no mac os X port, a1fa? :)

[16:52:15]

a1fa:

$200

[16:52:21]

a1fa:

gardengnome : i know..

[16:52:21]

Dagmar:

No, they are $300.

[16:52:27]

a1fa:

either way, thats fucking cheap

[16:52:27]

Dagmar:

$299 to be exact.

[16:52:31]

Dagmar:

Not really.

[16:52:38]

Dagmar:

And 40Gb is hardly any disk space

[16:53:32]

a1fa:

for a frontend its enough

[16:53:41]

a1fa:

1MB IS ENOUGH FOR A FRONTEND

[16:53:57]

Dagmar:

You're basically tlking about shelling out $300 for a dedicated frontend-only unit

[16:53:58]

Dagmar:

For $600 you can have a backend/frontend with MUCH more disk space than that

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Dagmar:

...and since you have to have a backend box *anyway*...

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a1fa:

hm.. stfu :P

[16:55:08]

a1fa:

my backend boxor is hudge

[16:55:55]

Dagmar:

But your spelling is smaller than your wang

[16:55:57]

fryfrog:

mine is hudge too

[16:56:29]

a1fa:

hehe you are an ass

[16:56:40]

Dagmar:

You're the one who started off trying to be a jerk.

[16:56:44]

a1fa:

no dude

[16:56:45]

Dagmar:

I'm just a professional at it.

[16:56:54]

a1fa:

you are shutting down an excelent idea

[16:57:00]

a1fa:

not everybody is piss poor like you

[16:57:03]

fryfrog:

man, i wish i got paid to jerk it

[16:57:45]

gardengnome:

"shutting down an excelent idea"? heh. other people are working on the appletv port.

[16:57:58]

Dagmar:

How am I shutting you down?

[16:58:13]

a1fa:

gardengnome : i didnt say it was my idea, did I?

[16:58:14]

Dagmar:

You being too broke to spend $300 on something is your problem, not mine.

[16:58:20]

gardengnome:

a1fa: it's not good style to join a channel and immediately call someone "liar" after asking a meta question.

[16:58:28]

a1fa:

gardengnome : cool

[16:58:38]

a1fa:

gardengnome : i asked nicely, he was being a jerk about it

[16:58:43]

gardengnome:

gah, whatever

[16:58:48]

gardengnome:

i should have better stuff to do.

[16:59:20]

Dagmar:

No, I was pretty straightforward about it

[16:59:23]

Dagmar:

You just didn't like the answer.

[16:59:24]

a1fa:

Dagmar : here is the thing. if you want a nice, low power, low noise frontend

[16:59:31]

a1fa:

you will have to dishout more than $300

[16:59:34]

fryfrog:

sheesh, just shut the frack up :p

[16:59:34]

Dagmar:

If I want one, I can build one, and have

[16:59:46]

Dagmar:

...for less than $300.

[16:59:50]

a1fa:

mini-itx+case+ram+...

[16:59:53]

Dagmar:

Now stop with the whining

[16:59:55]

gardengnome:

fryfrog: ack :)

[17:00:01]

a1fa:

= at least $400

[17:00:11]

a1fa:

i am not whining

[17:00:18]

Dagmar:

Back under your bridge then

[17:00:21]

fryfrog:

the horse is dead, you've beaten it into little pieces

[17:00:26]

a1fa:

i think its a good idea, and you get

[17:00:38]

fryfrog:

what goes good with whine?

[17:00:38]

Dagmar:

I think Apple has a *really* nice interface

[17:00:47]

fryfrog:

steak?

[17:00:50]

a1fa:

and it has HDMI output

[17:00:59]

gardengnome:

fryfrog: more wine

[17:01:09]

Dagmar:

I also think anyone capable of putting MythTV on it would *just do it* instead of hoping someone else will hold their hand and walk them through it.

[17:01:12]

a1fa:

so mythtv+HDMI = ftw!

[17:01:27]

a1fa:

Dagmar : its easy you fool

[17:01:32]

a1fa:

;P

[17:01:38]

Dagmar:

THen do it and shut the hell up already

[17:01:44]

a1fa:

i didnt buy it yet you fuckface

[17:01:48]

a1fa:

:P

[17:01:52]

Dagmar:

That's your problem.

[17:01:58]

a1fa:

i want to buy a nice tv with hdmi

[17:02:11]

a1fa:

i will buy apple tv at the same time and get the frontend loaded on it

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a1fa:

either through osx or linux

[17:02:47]

a1fa:

but HDMI is a must

[17:02:53]

Dagmar:

...and thanks to the way you've acted, when you come in here asking for help because you can't figure out EFI, I will *definitely* do my best to make you cry.

[17:03:33]

a1fa:

i didnt ask for your help twat

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Dagmar:

There's nothing I like better than the taste of fresh tears of frustration.

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Dagmar:

If I could get that in 20oz bottles I would take up jogging just to drink it in public.

[17:04:20]

gardengnome:

can't you take this to a private room?

[17:04:52]

a1fa:

ok i am out

[17:04:58]

a1fa:

i need to piss in that 20oz bottle

[17:05:04]

a1fa:

so you can gag yourself

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a1fa:

=)

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a1fa:

you got that?

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fryfrog:

you guys are just both 12 years old, aren't you? :p

[17:05:56]

gardengnome:

fryfrog: stop insulting the twelve year olds

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fryfrog:

ahha

[17:06:49]

Dagmar:

He can't take the heat, clearly.

[17:06:54]

Dagmar:

Silly amateurs.

[17:07:01]

Dagmar:

Looks like it's the ignore list for him

[17:07:14]

a1fa:

Good for you!

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a1fa:

anybody follow lost?

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a1fa:

ivtv version: 0.7.1 (tagged release)

[17:13:59]

a1fa:

i guess its time for an upgrade tonight

[17:14:06]

a1fa:

kernel+ivtv+nvidia

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Zider:

Dagmar: what is "google"..? can it be eaten? ;)

[17:15:35]

GreyFoxx:

a1fa: Are you having problems with that version ?

[17:15:58]

a1fa:

GreyFoxx : remember me talking about random shutdowns

[17:16:20]

GreyFoxx:

not really, but I'll take your word for it :)

[17:16:32]

Dagmar:

Zider: It's what smart people use

[17:16:52]

Dagmar:

Zider: Hell, it's the reason I know almost the entire component list of AppleTV and I didn't even care that much

[17:16:52]

Zider:

Dagmar: well then, it must be what I use.. ;)

[17:16:57]

a1fa:

GreyFoxx : when i hook additional hard-drives to my box, it randomy shuts down

[17:17:05]

a1fa:

GreyFoxx : PSU checks-out

[17:17:13]

Dagmar:

I just have an old notebook strapped to the underside of the rack in my bedroom.

[17:17:16]

a1fa:

GreyFoxx : motherboard checks out

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Dagmar:

It I picked up for $130

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a1fa:

Now I am seeing that these versions had issues with DMA interrupts

[17:18:42]

a1fa:

so I am going to upgrade the drivers, and see if I still get those random shutdowns

[17:19:39]

jams:

man someobdy needs to find a way to hook the nesmax up to the wii

[17:20:23]

Dagmar:

Good god why

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** a1fa is doing remote upgrade.. hold your fingers crossed **

[17:21:09]

jams:

because it's just works better then the classic controller

[17:21:29]

Dagmar:

Well, does the thing not plug into a GameCube?

[17:22:10]

Dagmar:

The Wii has four ports on the back for GC controllers, although I never had a problem with the original controller, or the new redesigned one

[17:22:21]

Dagmar:

At least I don't suspect I'm going to accidentally snap the redesigned one in half

[17:23:47]

jams:

oh sombody does make an adaptor

[17:25:51]

Dagmar:

You're golden then, provided you still have one of those things.

[17:25:58]

Dagmar:

I prefer the PS2 adapter

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Dagmar:

:)

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fedorared:

How might I change the label of a DVD generated by mytharchive?

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gardengnome:

if in doubt, hack the source ;)

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fedorared:

At the moment the label is a generic "MythTV BurnDVD"

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fedorared:

Lovely, the label is in 3 separate spawn commands in mythburn.py

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a1fa:

dist-upgrade is evil :P

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a1fa:

Ok, proceeding with removing running kernel image.

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a1fa:

sexy :P

[17:49:52]

kormoc:

not really...

[17:50:02]

** kormoc weeps for humanity **

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** Zider gives kormoc a hankie **

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a1fa:

lets see if she comes bakc up :P

[17:51:25]

Zider:

a1fa: who?

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a1fa:

i did a remote kernel upgrade

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a1fa:

:(

[17:51:41]

a1fa:

i removed the running kernel

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Zider:

oh, the computer

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a1fa:

oh wow

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a1fa:

she came back up :P

[17:52:18]

Zider:

great :)

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a1fa:

wow ... this is like amazing

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a1fa:

ivtv driver wont compile

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a1fa:

wow

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a1fa:

i dont get it

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a1fa:

anybodu compiled ivtv driver 0.10?

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a1fa:

http://pastebin.ca/424294

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a1fa:

wtf?

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a1fa:

it wont compile

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a1fa:

for no reason

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kormoc:

make[2]: Makefile: No such file or directory

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kormoc:

that's not a reason?

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** kormoc blinks **

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a1fa:

its there

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kormoc:

in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 ?

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a1fa:

hm

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a1fa:

it shouldnt be there

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a1fa:

arghh

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a1fa:

broken dependencies

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a1fa:

my bad

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a1fa:

it was there, but it was symlinked to missing file

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a1fa:

Makefile:266: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory

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a1fa:

ok.. this package is hozed

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a1fa:

fixed

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a1fa:

bastard.. had to --purge

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bluey-:

anyone using a geforce 6200 card and has high cpu usage while using xvmc?

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xris:

bluey-: I have a 5200.. xvmc sucks for me, way worse than without.

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fryfrog:

xvmc sucks for me too

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fryfrog:

and i ahve a 6200

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fryfrog:

and have tried in a Ti4200

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bluey-:

well ok

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fryfrog:

actually, wait

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fryfrog:

i don't think i've ever gotten myth to compile with *nvidia* xvmc

[18:38:26]

bluey-:

is there some progress on those nv drivers?

[18:38:30]

fryfrog:

for some reason, it always picks the generic one

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fryfrog:

i need to switch back to gentoo :/

[18:38:40]

fryfrog:

stupid ubuntu

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bluey-:

nvidia xvmc? there is a diffrent :x ?

[18:38:47]

fryfrog:

DAMN YOU UBUNTU!

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Zider:

eww-buntu :)

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a1fa:

Family Guy 108 April 4 2007

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a1fa:

FTW!

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a1fa:

108 episodes recorded

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a1fa:

Total Recorded: 1 month 2 days 17 hrs 22 mins

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a1fa:

Percent of time spent recording: 7%

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a1fa:

thats lame :P

[18:45:25]

bluey-:

fryfrog & xris: but OpenGL Vsync works ?

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bluey-:

it stutters here as hell

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xris:

bluey-: no clue on that. I have it enabled, but have never compared off vs on

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Dagmar:

I'm lucky to get any picture at all with that particular thing enabled

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Dagmar:

opengl is fine, xvmc is fine, vsync with it is fine, but that opengl-xvmc option breaks the hell out of it at the moment so I've ignored it for awhiel

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fryfrog:

bluey-: that is what mine did, stuttered like a martha-facker and raised cpu usage instead of lowering

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fryfrog:

xris: wait, you say xvmc sucks fo ryou but then you say you have it enabled?

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gardengnome:

some nvidia drivers will give you 100% cpu usage if opengl vsync is enabled.

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fryfrog:

ohoh, opengl vsync

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xris:

fryfrog: opengl

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bluey-:

looks like a great card =/

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fryfrog:

okay, i admit it... i can't read :(

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bluey-:

jesus, even bob 2x deinterlacing eats cpu as hell :/

[19:01:45]

bluey-:

definitely those 6200 cards suck

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xris:

bluey-: um, the deint is done in the cpu, not the card

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kormoc:

bluey-, uhh... how does the deinterlace method and the gpu matter?

[19:02:35]

xris:

and bob is really only for HD

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bluey-:

well it goes up to 99% on a 2ghz a64

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xris:

bluey-: hd or sd?

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bluey-:

sd right now

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gardengnome:

xris: huh? why? i've used bob successfully for PAL.

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janneg:

bluey-: then something else is wrong

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gardengnome:

it's great because you don't loose temporal resolution

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xris:

bluey-: outputting to tv or via dvi/vga?

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xris:

gardengnome: yes, but it was designed for HD

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bluey-:

over vga

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xris:

bluey-: ah, yeah, then you can't use the flicker control built into the video card (hardware deinterlacing)

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janneg:

xris: no, it was there even before HD

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xris:

I think kernel deint uses the least cpu

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gardengnome:

onefield uses least cpu, but it'll look bad because it just throws away half of the fields

[19:05:29]

xris:

janneg: I'll take your word on that. I remember it being "new" at about the same time HD was common in linux (which was long after it was being broadcast in the us)

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janneg:

and bob should use less cpu then kernel deint

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xris:

bob looked like crap to me.

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xris:

maybe I was thinking Linear Blend

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fxr:

hii m looking for an alternatice to mythmusic... i like amarok, but its not really suitable in a HT enviroment; i was looking at muine but its gnome based and im using mythdora.. i hate installing all those dependencies.. ve trawled the web, but by god i cant find something suitable.. i ust want something full screen, pretty & with audioscrobbler support.. is that to much to ask?

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janneg:

xris: it was maybe added to mythtv the same time mythtv started to be able to record HD

[19:07:28]

xris:

bob looks like crap to me... everything vibrates

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Dagmar:

fxr: Well, audioscrobbler does have an open api

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gardengnome:

xris: is the whole picture jumping up and down by one line?

[19:08:01]

xris:

gardengnome: something like that, yes

[19:08:23]

xris:

gardengnome: hence the name, I think

[19:08:49]

gardengnome:

xris: that's a problem with the refresh rate of your display. it needs to be a 2*<frame rate of the video> i think.

[19:08:56]

gardengnome:

it's in the docs somewhere :)

[19:09:08]

xris:

gardengnome: ahh...

[19:09:25]

xris:

that sort of makes sense, then

[19:09:52]

xris:

not so useful when the framerate can change, then

[19:09:53]

fxr:

yeah Dagmar i found a patch for mythmusic source that will enable audioscrobbling, but the mythdora ppl advised me against compiling mythtv modules independently.. so...

[19:09:54]

xris:

i vs p

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xris:

oh well. no need for deint on my mythbox. nvidia card does it automatically on tv output

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janneg:

xris: mythtv won't deinterlace progressive content

[19:15:02]

xris:

ah

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xris:

nice.. press Q while nuvexport is encoding, and ffmpeg quits

[19:17:06]

xris:

that's no good

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stuarta:

i'm concerned that mythmusic thinks 3 of the hard drives i have are cd writers...

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xris:

lol

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stuarta:

funnily enough, it completely missed the actual writer...

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stuarta:

at the end of the day if makes bugger all difference

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juski:

re

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stuarta:

allo, allo, senor juski

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: you determine the area by trial & error (in my case :-P )

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** stuarta offers juski a Jack D & coke **

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juski:

evening stuarta

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** juski accepts, gladly! **

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juski:

cheers!

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juski:

just done a mad journey back from the airport. a Becks' lorry had overturned on a roundabout just before the Mancunian Way.

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stuarta:

i'm happy today. achievement!

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juski:

ooo?

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juski:

finally caught up with all them recordings eh? ;)

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stuarta:

got the cluster working in the office :)

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stuarta:

4x linux + 2x winblow

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stuarta:

28k worth of hardware

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski:same as me :) iread you could use gimp but i just cant see how it will all work.

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juski:

sounds interesting

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: use Photoshop or something else. GIMP == pain on a sharp pointy stick

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stuarta:

it's fun and games. read up on LVS sometime

[19:34:32]

jams:

ubuntuEdgy- trial and error works best for me

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stuarta:

i'm going where no document has gone before...

[19:34:58]

jams:

it doesn't take long till it only takes one adjustment instead of 40

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** ubuntuEdgy smells burning coming from his computer. **

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stuarta:

jams: it's better than that. i'm in the "this works on linux, anything else, let us know" territory

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ubuntuEdgy:

its them cheap fans.

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stuarta:

aaahhh, braindead is such a b grade movie. i love it...

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juski:

stuarta: sounds complimacateryfied ;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

i have a puzzle for you guys to solve.

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gardengnome:

ubuntuEdgy: why? did you break somethingÃŸ

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stuarta:

juski: like you wouldn't believe...

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: I find making theme mockups works best in a friendly bitmap editor that tells you what coordinates the cursor is at (for one thing)

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juski:

it all starts with an idea and a 1280x720 blank .png ;)

[19:39:38]

juski:

then follows days/weeks/months of tweaking & hair-pulling

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juski:

watch out for "could not find trans-somethemeelement.png" in the console messages ;)

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juski:

when there is NO trans-somethemeelement names in any of the XML files :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

came*

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ubuntuEdgy:

did you see that lan tester ?

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juski:

isn't that just 3 wires, a resistor, LED & a push-button switch? ;)

[19:42:45]

stuarta:

nah, these days you can get ones that tell you all sorts of things

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stuarta:

like which vlan, ip, routers etc etc

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juski:

all you need's one ickle perl thingy though

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stuarta:

dhcp servers, all sorts of useful crap

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ubuntuEdgy:

could i power my eth1 with a battery ,sort of like that tester seen as my mother board dose not provide power to eth1 when its off ,then i cant wol it

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: not quite

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ubuntuEdgy:

oh common

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kormoc:

common?

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: I remember hearing something about not all PCI sockets being provided with 5V standby power – maybe try a different slot?

[19:44:14]

ubuntuEdgy:

cummon

[19:44:32]

ubuntuEdgy:

i tryed them all

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kormoc:

cummon? we're getting farther and farther from English by the minute...

[19:45:00]

ubuntuEdgy:

even different card,

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ubuntuEdgy:

come on kormoc:

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: I might have missed this the other night but you DO have a little 3 or 4 pin cable to plug into the WoL header on both the NIC & the motherboard don'tcha?

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gardengnome:

ubuntuEdgy: mind you, we've got some people whose native language is not english. you make it hard for them to help you ;)

[19:45:55]

juski:

ubuntuEdgy: and it IS plugged in the right way around isn't it?

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh, and i can turn the pc on by setting a jumper on the motherboards 3 pin

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ubuntuEdgy:

so the 3 pin wol dose turn on the computer ,it just can provide the power to the card

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juski:

maybe you blew a link by mistookenly plugging it in the wrong way once...

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ubuntuEdgy:

make sense ?

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juski:

if you have a voltmeter, check for +5V on the cable when the machine is in standby

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ubuntuEdgy:

don't have one of them no. great i idea thou

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juski:

or.. an old case LED?

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juski:

a 5V fan?

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ubuntuEdgy:

maybe i could use a led ?

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juski:

yeah a LED will be fine without a resistor for a _short_ time

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juski:

just to confirm/deny there's power on the cable

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juski:

my bet is that there's not

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok so im going to try a led , what if the led dose come on then what ?

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juski:

then er..

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ubuntuEdgy:

yeh i bet the same too

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juski:

cross that bridge when you get there

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ubuntuEdgy:

thats why i was thinking about batterys

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok , juski

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kormoc:

you can't just reverse power down the lines it can come from

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ubuntuEdgy:

img going to turn the server off then.

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juski:

I've seen cards that allegedly support booting (says in their docs) but they have no ROM onboard, so for a motherboard's WoL header to be unpowered wouldn't be unheard of

[19:53:05]

juski:

I was gonna do something tonight but can't remember what it is...

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ubuntuEdgy:

oh no the light cam on ,but it was very weak

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ubuntuEdgy:

came on *

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gardengnome:

juski: JD + coke?

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juski:

gardengnome: yeah that and something else

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gardengnome:

juski: wine?

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gardengnome:

theme?

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juski:

work tomorrow though, so don't wanna get wrecked

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kormoc:

might want to check in your bios and see if your +5v and -5v lines are really low or not

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kormoc:

you might just have a badish power supply

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juski:

gardengnome: what's a theme?

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juski:

;)

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juski:

ahh! minimyth!

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juski:

bah. lost the will to try that new build already

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gardengnome:

heh

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok im going to change my power supply,

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kormoc:

might want to check to see if they're low or not first...

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ubuntuEdgy:

how, the bios on this computer or very simple , and don't support such features.

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ubuntuEdgy:

but why would it be low on power when the computer if off ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

is*

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kormoc:

cause it could be dieing and thus not actually generating +5v ever

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** kormoc shrugs **

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ubuntuEdgy:

ahhhh

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juski:

if the +5V standby was low/dicky I think that'd make the PC rather hard to turn on using the frontpanel switch though

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juski:

hence why a voltmeter << LED ;)

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ubuntuEdgy:

the led was very week, 3 batteries would have made it very Strong.

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ubuntuEdgy:

how many volts is 3 battery's ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

or 2

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kormoc:

depends on the batteries

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juski:

you at LEAST need a diode

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok im going the change the power supply , for this i need to turn of this computer

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juski:

you MIGHT be able to find the +5V standby wire & put it into the right place on the NIC's WoL header

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski i have seen this on the board but it read "PCI header"

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ubuntuEdgy:

"CN23 PIC header"

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ubuntuEdgy:

it has 6 pins

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ubuntuEdgy:

_ _

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juski:

er... that might be some manufacturing thing for in-circuit programming or sommat

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok

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juski:

leave it alone if it's not mentioned in the NIC's FM

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok should i try the power suply change ?

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juski:

try the easiest thing first – lazy juski's motto

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ubuntuEdgy:

sorry ?

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ubuntuEdgy:

wait google.........

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juski:

I meant the PSU :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

i see now , im very concentrated on getting this to work :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

ok brb ,fingers crossed

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ubuntuEdgy:

:-D

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juski:

medal for kormoc then eh? :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

i need to buy a new power supply,

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ubuntuEdgy:

exactly

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kormoc:

Heh, glad that it's working :)

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ubuntuEdgy:

this is great,even thou i have not wolled it yet

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ubuntuEdgy:

yep got the light ,using a 400 wat PSU

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ubuntuEdgy:

Zalman psu :)

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** jams takes a guess that the old PSU was a startech **

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jams:

juski- almost done with having a remote frontend/SBE pull the timezone and zipcode from the MBE

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jams:

I can't imagine a case where the zipcode or timezone should be different for multiple machines in the same house

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Saviq:

hi guys, I know it's a dumb question, but I'd like to know Your opinion – what's the best distro to run myth front/backend?

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kormoc:

the one you know the best

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Saviq:

is gentoo worth it for the performance gain?

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Saviq:

or knoppmyth for simplicity?

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juski:

jams: nifty :)

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kormoc:

all depends on you

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Saviq:

well then... gentoo it is :]

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kormoc:

and gentoo is not about performance, it's about if it feels right or not

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Saviq:

let's try something new

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cheeseboy:

!seen mik2_

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MythLogBot:

mik2_ has not been seen here

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gardengnome:

!list

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gardengnome:

darn, it actually works.

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gardengnome:

nvm.

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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MythLogBot:

mike3_ is here and has been idle for 4 hours 1 minute 37 seconds

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stuarta:

!seen hot_booty

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MythLogBot:

hot_booty has not been seen here

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kormoc:

!seen private_messages_for_the_win

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MythLogBot:

private_messages_for_the_win has not been seen here

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juski:

stuarta: you know the other week when I'd been saying I'd not seen Kelerion about? checked companies house & seems his company is dissolved :(

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stuarta:

!seen a_user_with_a_clue

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MythLogBot:

a_user_with_a_clue has not been seen here

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stuarta:

hahahahahha

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kormoc:

!seen space test

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MythLogBot:

space test has not been seen here

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** kormoc laughs **

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juski:

rofl

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juski:

!seen the-manual

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MythLogBot:

the-manual has not been seen here

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stuarta:

juski: that don't mean he's not about, tho i admit, haven't seen him for ages

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kormoc:

!seen !seen

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MythLogBot:

!seen has not been seen here

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stuarta:

!see MythLogBot

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stuarta:

!seen MythLogBot

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MythLogBot:

MythLogBot is here and has been idle for 18 seconds

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stuarta:

oh dear, Braindead is so bad it's funny

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cheeseboy:

someone wake ike up

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stuarta:

amazing it was made by the same guy who did lord of the rings

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juski:

peter jacksie?

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** stuarta pokes ike **

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stuarta:

yup thats hime

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juski:

don't kick the baby!

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cheeseboy:

mike*

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stuarta:

clearly from the student days.

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juski:

fresh from making adverts, into 'real' film...

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kormoc:

Mike was kidnapped by Microsoft ninjas. Please try again later.

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stuarta:

i think i prefer "bad taste" which was even earlier than this

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juski:

we actually managed to get a call put out for "mike hunt" over the tannoy in the last place I worked

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stuarta:

hehehehehe

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stuarta:

but it was *FUN*!!!!!

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juski:

yeah don't get much of that at work these days

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stuarta:

!trout political_correctness boring

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** MythLogBot slaps political_correctness with a boring trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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juski:

apart from the rather eccentric new design engineer.. omg when I got that "device is not Rigel" error message from a sata controller the other week...

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stuarta:

hot?

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juski:

the new designer went off on one about his home planet & was v. funny

[20:51:39]

** juski remembers it's curry night next Friday.. yay! **

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stuarta:

don't care! i'll be in France getting drunk

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juski:

<deep voiceover voice>Friday the thirteenth!</deep voiceover voice>

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juski:

oooo fancy!

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stuarta:

oooo, Fri 13th's make the best parties. Especially if there is a full moon as well.....

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juski:

in Bolton of all places

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juski:

should be umm.. interesting

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** stuarta suffers ENOJACKDANIELS and goes for a refill.... **

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** stuarta makes one for juski too, cause he's a nice bloke.... **

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juski:

aww cheers!

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juski:

clink!

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blackest:

anyone here running mythweb on ubuntu ?

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blackest:

could someone do me a favour and paste a working version of to the paste bin/etc/apache2/httpd.conf

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stuarta:

that wouldn't help

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kormoc:

what's wrong with the example one that comes with mythweb?

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blackest:

where is it located ?

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stuarta:

since by their very nature they are system specific

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gardengnome:

in the README.

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gardengnome:

afaik.

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kormoc:

yeah, 0.20 is all in the README

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blackest:

which would be ? i guess in a docs folder but i havent a clue where

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . thweb/README

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frink_:

hey folks!

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** frink_ finally went and got a Nova-t 500 DVB thingy **

[21:29:27]

gardengnome:

no.

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gardengnome:

check dmesg

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kormoc:

you need to remove the bubble gum from the cpu socket

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blackest:

nova-t don't some of them need a bit of firmware

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frink_:

well, the card is found ok, the modules load but when I do a scan although I see the signal strength graph popping up and down whilst scanning, mythtv says "timeout scanning no signal"

[21:34:23]

frink_:

kormoc: yeah i pulled the gum out and put some heatsink comound in..

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juski:

frink_: you need to test the card with dvbutils first man

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frink_:

juski: OK, how come? The nova-t 500 shuld just work I thought?

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sid3windr:

just work? this is linux ya know :P

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frink_:

sid3windr: Well, the other hauppauge usb thingy "just worked" :)

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blackest:

frink try using kaffiene

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t0ny-p40:

Is there any good cheap capture cards with mpeg encoding?

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kormoc:

blackest, why not use the test utils like juski recommended?

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frink_:

blackest: Yeah i'll go try it.. thanks

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blackest:

kormoc If kaffiene is working with it then it should be ok for myth

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blackest:

if it isn't then there is work to be done

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kormoc:

blackest, sure... but kaffiene can't tune nor scan for signal nor show signal quality nor any of the other things he needs to do with DVB cards

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blackest:

kaffiene can tune and scan and show signal it does for me

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kormoc:

ooh? last I knew kaffiene was a v4l + generic media player

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff tho

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blackest:

its a bit better than that

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blackest:

it'll even broadcast over your network although everything else gets hammered

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blackest:

like i cant even get google to load when its multicasting

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kormoc:

sounds wrong

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** kormoc shrugs **

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juski:

tzap can do all that too, with some work ;-p

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blackest:

well the important thing is given a frequency list and a few other bits it pulls in digital tv and even lets you do the watch and record thing too

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kormoc:

but he's having issues scanning, so he doesn't have a frequency list...

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blackest:

actually he does

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blackest:

there are loads for most digital transmitters out there apart from belmont

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** kormoc shrugs **

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juski:

it's not that hard to get the info you need

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blackest:

that was a problem for me initially but wikipedia helped

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juski:

so did you try the dvbutils' scan util & feed it with info for your local mast?

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blackest:

nah I basically took an existing uk-Transmitter and altered it for the correct info for belmont

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blackest:

saved it as uk-Belmont (capital B is important) and then told it to scan

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blackest:

brought me in about 16 channels initially

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blackest:

then i had to do some manual work basically define a particular channel tune to it and then scan it to get the rest of the mux

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frink_:

Yup kaffeine works fine.. Channel scan pulls all the usual channels.

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blackest:

drivers working so now you can add the card to mythtv and do a scan for channels

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frink_:

nope, mythtv scan still times out

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blackest:

how many tvcards in your box ?

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juski:

frink_: if it gets the muxes, just keep trying it

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frink_:

juski: Yeah its odd, it gets signal but no chans.. I'll have a fiddle and then go to bed – it may work in the morning ;-)

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frink_:

thanks folks.

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clever[rev]:

got a bit of a problem with mythfrontend

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clever[rev]:

if i seek the video i loose audio

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clever[rev]:

saving the pos and exiting/returning 'fixes' it

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frink_:

blackest: Sorry, just one TV card, the nova-t

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kormoc:

clever[rev], try enabling the 'use video as timebase' or similar option?

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juski:

frink_: there's ways around it.. you can try entering an initial mux (the bbc one usually) & see if that does the trick for you

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clever[rev]:

kormoc: i'll test that

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juski:

UK DVB-T scanning is now much better than it used to be thanks to someone in here.. we owe him loadsabeers

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frink_:

beers or whatever else...

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clever[rev]:

kormoc: lol it seems to have frozen because i wanted to fix it

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stuarta:

mmm beer

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clever[rev]:

kormoc: i know ive seen that option before

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clever[rev]:

i just cant find it anymore

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stuarta:

or random other spirit from country of origin

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xris:

clever[rev]: tv playback options

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

darn

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t0ny-p40:

can I import a playlist?

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t0ny-p40:

to mythmusic?

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clever[rev]:

kormoc: lol i checked there several times and only now do i see it:P

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clever[rev]:

nope still goes dead after seeking

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juski:

mm nursey!

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juski:

damn! damn damn damn damn damn!

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gardengnome:

?

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EnterUserName:

1damnit

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EnterUserName:

i closed my rtorrent

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EnterUserName:

damnit

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EnterUserName:

i did it again

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EnterUserName:

lol

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EnterUserName:

flippen rtorrent

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xris:

EnterUserName: please don't talk about anything torrent-related here

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fooker:

Hey all. I'm getting an audio output error (rate doesn't match) when I try to use the music plugin. Any way to change the playback rate to 48khz so it matches?

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fooker:

Or is it not possible to output music via the music plugin through an optical audio connection?

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EnterUserName:

sorry :)

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EnterUserName:

hey xris: im trying to use mytharchive

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EnterUserName:

and its crapping out due to permissions s hould i run it as the root user/

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xris:

EnterUserName: likely wouldn't hurt

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EnterUserName:

oh

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EnterUserName:

its a fat file system

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EnterUserName:

should that matteR?

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mwolf:

does anybody know off hand if the Samsung Hauppague PVR 500 is the good one? they had two tuner versions didn't they?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mwolf: I dunno — I'd check ivtvdriver.org to see if it has them listed seperately.

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juski:

samsung tuner issues have been fixed AFAIK

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ubuntuEdgy:

hey all

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cheeseboy:

!seen mike3_

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MythLogBot:

mike3_ is here and has been idle for 7 hours 3 minutes 57 seconds

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juski:

is it just me or am I the only one who thinks that 'edgy' is possibly the daftest name for a distro ever? might as well have called it 'twitchy' or 'unstable' ;)

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mwolf:

juski: thanks i've been racking my brains why i'm getting poor picture quality with my Samsung PVR 500

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juski:

mwolf: no need for the sarcasm

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mwolf:

juski: none intended

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gardengnome:

juski: you should see amarok on edgy. ;)

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juski:

maybe you need to specify a tuner option – sometimes autodetection isn't what it could be

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juski:

check the ivtv mailing list archives ftw!

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ubuntuEdgy:

whats so good about it

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mwolf:

ok thanks

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Tanthrix:

SlicerDicer-: Around?

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ubuntuEdgy:

gnome do you have a sec ?

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Tanthrix:

I'm testing out my digital cable box firewire connection in windows and all my channels seem to work with the exception of OPB!

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ubuntuEdgy:

juski: do you happen to have sec ?

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Tanthrix:

(The one I'd particularely like to get working)

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juski:

fooker: FYI that's all about your asound.conf IIRC. see the wiki entry about digital audio

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: yeh.. tick! that was it

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... I do that all the time... Sure... BUZZZ... time's up! ;-)

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ubuntuEdgy:

look at what my slave backend is spewing out "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'"

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ubuntuEdgy:

thats a long sentence lol

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cheeseboy:

can i watch my tv from another state?

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cheeseboy:

is it possible w/ mythtv

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juski:

cheeseboy: another state? like you're on heroin or something?

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ubuntuEdgy:

lmaoooooooooo

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cheeseboy:

no

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juski:

if you mean like placeshifting, NO

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cheeseboy:

so if my pc w/ tunercard is in mass and i go to lousiana i cant wwatch tv off the one in mas somehow?

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: Yep – via MythStreamTV. It is basically a couple of scripts to use VLC to transcode to a lower bitrate & resolution on the fly.

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juski:

cheeseboy: not really, at least not without a very fat upload pipe if you want good quality

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: Just don't expect commercial skipping...

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ubuntuEdgy:

do you have an hour >

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J-e-f-f-A:

cheeseboy: And like juski says — don't expect full quality — it's transcoded down to a signal that can be streamed... But if you've got a big internet upload pipe, you can get better quality...

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juski:

ubuntuEdgy: nah going to bed soon. going to w*** in a few hours

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ubuntuEdgy:

same here

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J-e-f-f-A:

juski: You almost said that nasty 4-letter word!!!

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cheeseboy:

J-e-f-f-A could winmyth view the videos?

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